Does anyone else notice how Sanders is often on the cusp of a "senior moment" in these debates? Tonight it was worse as he seemed to struggle to find simple words. If distributing the tax returns was too taxing, how will he survive even one day in the Oval Office? How embarrassing. Should the rest of us opt to not file our taxes this month because we are busy?
Bernie Sanders had the courage of conviction to say that Israel's leaders are not beyond reproach. That some of the things they have done actually hurt the Israeli people by making a peaceful co-existence and the end of terrorism more remote. That's something really big. It is a stand against "identity politics" and identity government. It shows his pragmatic approach to solving complex and intractable problems like gun violence. All sides have to be heard and respected. Root causes have to be addressed. Consequences of any proposed actions have to be considered. That's the kind of pragmatism we need in a leader.
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Hillary has been providing support to future Democratic Congressmen and Senators. Yes, she needs help from American Corporations to compete with Republican competitors. She is not Mother Teresa or the Dali Lama.
Bernie is one of those annoying GMO free, recycled Ralph Nader-types.
He lives on Pluto, is not a member of the Democratic Party and gives little to no support, and is scary narcissistic like his litter mate, Donald Trump.
Bernie is one of those annoying GMO free, recycled Ralph Nader-types.
He lives on Pluto, is not a member of the Democratic Party and gives little to no support, and is scary narcissistic like his litter mate, Donald Trump.
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Hillary is quite extraordinary! From reading so many comments here, she is responsible for just about every calamity that has befallen everyone everywhere.
Apparently, Mother Nature has nothing on Hillary.
Apparently, Mother Nature has nothing on Hillary.
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I'm so tired of hearing about how Hillary will "get things done".
Somebody please explain what 'things' stand for - a more vague
statetement I've never heard. Judging from her record, her 'things'
have not been so good.
Somebody please explain what 'things' stand for - a more vague
statetement I've never heard. Judging from her record, her 'things'
have not been so good.
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The intersection of "compromise", "status quo", and "lesser evil" arguments presents faulty logic.
If the goal (as many vociferous Clinton supporters claim) is to stop the Republican agenda at all cost, what good is compromise? Compromise encourages elements of the agenda you profess to revile.
Why do you need compromise if you want to preserve the status quo? Not doing anything is the perfect way to stymie progress in either direction.
Compromise is the furtherance of specific goals at the expense of others. You're talking about a sales transaction. Quid pro quo. Tit for tat. Whose goals exactly are for sale? Democrats are notoriously bad negotiators by the way.
While antithetical to the campaign's message, Sanders is perhaps the ideal obstacle to the Republican agenda. The needle might not move very far left but it sure isn't moving right.
Clinton on the other hand is like a sailboat with a head wind and a lee shore. You stay the course long enough and you'll eventually end up on the rocks.
If the goal (as many vociferous Clinton supporters claim) is to stop the Republican agenda at all cost, what good is compromise? Compromise encourages elements of the agenda you profess to revile.
Why do you need compromise if you want to preserve the status quo? Not doing anything is the perfect way to stymie progress in either direction.
Compromise is the furtherance of specific goals at the expense of others. You're talking about a sales transaction. Quid pro quo. Tit for tat. Whose goals exactly are for sale? Democrats are notoriously bad negotiators by the way.
While antithetical to the campaign's message, Sanders is perhaps the ideal obstacle to the Republican agenda. The needle might not move very far left but it sure isn't moving right.
Clinton on the other hand is like a sailboat with a head wind and a lee shore. You stay the course long enough and you'll eventually end up on the rocks.
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It seems Hillary is a lot more determined to keep the transcripts of her multi-million dollar speeches to Wall Street thieves secret than she ever was with the classified State Department material that resided at home on her personal computer...
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I am shocked that nobody asked Hillary about her emphatic statement that "My server contains only private communications between my husband and myself and will remain private" when that has been proven to be a boldfaced lie. Forget the issue of 'top secret' classified information. She lied. She should have been asked: "Do you admit that you told an outright lie given that 10s of thousands of government emails, regardless of their classification, were on your server, and that you sought to keep them private in order to avoid Freedom of Information act legal inquiries?" Answer that Hillary, and more importantly, ASK THAT liberal press.
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Sanders seems to be altruistic man, thinking of the lesser populous before those of power and wealth, pulling in huge support from a discouraged demographic that has been stepped on in the past. However, as appealing as his policies may be, there's little assurance that his ideologies would be enacted with a corrupt Congress that wants to keep their special interest parties and support intact.
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What a phony manipulative triangulating candidate she is?
There is nothing authentic or genuine about anything she said. It's all trial balloons fed to her by 500+ army of highly paid mercenaries-aka consultants. Her lust for power and money knows no limits. After building a networth of 250 million in 15 years(she claimed they were penniless/dead broke upon leaving WH) getting money anyway possible , she wants to be president so more cash will flow into their racket-aka foundation.
The Clintons wants to be billionaires
All their pals in the Hamptons are billionaires
They desperately need to join the club
Her farce candidacy is all about the Clintons, never the people.
There is nothing authentic or genuine about anything she said. It's all trial balloons fed to her by 500+ army of highly paid mercenaries-aka consultants. Her lust for power and money knows no limits. After building a networth of 250 million in 15 years(she claimed they were penniless/dead broke upon leaving WH) getting money anyway possible , she wants to be president so more cash will flow into their racket-aka foundation.
The Clintons wants to be billionaires
All their pals in the Hamptons are billionaires
They desperately need to join the club
Her farce candidacy is all about the Clintons, never the people.
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Clinton was paid more for one hour of pandering before Goldman Sachs than Mr Sanders made in an entire year of public service to the people of Vermont.
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I am still puzzled where the over $100,000,000 Clinton's networth came from? and why is there no comparisons with Sander's under $200,000 networth?
The people and corporations supporting Clinton are in the $1,000,000,000 $25,000,000,000 range and are giving millions in single donations to PACs (this means under the table)
Sanders supporters are the $1,000 to $250,000 networth crowd donating $3 to $250 (average $27) and yet Sanders is winning the money race big time as he is going to will the election!!!
By the way I used to get emails from Hillary asking only $1 as lottery to be flown in and be wined and dined with Bill, Chesley, and her. It was a totally transparent attempt to bring down the average donation averaging it with the multi-billionaires donations.
Hillary is too much smoke and mirrors. Bernie Sanders is the right candidate for this historic election.
Feel the Bern!
The people and corporations supporting Clinton are in the $1,000,000,000 $25,000,000,000 range and are giving millions in single donations to PACs (this means under the table)
Sanders supporters are the $1,000 to $250,000 networth crowd donating $3 to $250 (average $27) and yet Sanders is winning the money race big time as he is going to will the election!!!
By the way I used to get emails from Hillary asking only $1 as lottery to be flown in and be wined and dined with Bill, Chesley, and her. It was a totally transparent attempt to bring down the average donation averaging it with the multi-billionaires donations.
Hillary is too much smoke and mirrors. Bernie Sanders is the right candidate for this historic election.
Feel the Bern!
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Bernie's straight talk is refreshing; Americans are tired of politicians who are trained as lawyers (i.e. Clinton, Cruz) that use "lawyer talk" to manipulate and confuse voters. When people critique Bernie's to the point debating skills, they tend to forget that Hillary has a way with words because she was trained as a lawyer. Keep on spreading the truth, Bernie. America needs you!
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A topic the media (of course) doesn't want to talk about, is:
In 2016: 24 republican seats in the senate are up for grabs compared to 10 on the democratic side. There is a good chance that the democrats will win back the majority if people go out and vote.
If Sanders becomes the next president, there will be a large & energized young voter base that can easily be mobilized through social media to win seats back in states such as Wisconsin. In fact, the chances with Sanders to win the Senate back is higher than with Clinton.
That brings us to Sanders in the White House, a democratic majority in the Senate and a progressive Supreme Court by the end of 2016
That's give us a fastback to overturn Citizen United, which will pull out large sums of money from politics and the Senate feels less pressured to vote in favor of big money interests.
Minimum wage can be set to $15, trade deals modified to keep large companies in the US (Germany did that very successfully with their auto industry btw). Yes, this will lead to higher prices for products but with smart import regulations & thanks to more and better paid jobs, there will be a larger, prosperous middle class who can afford higher prices.
Less money in politics means we can back out from fossil fuel wars more easily and battle the bigger threat: Climate change.
Steve Jobs pushed his peers to invent the first smartphone because the technology didn't exist at that time. So why on earth do we need to stay 'real' in politics?
In 2016: 24 republican seats in the senate are up for grabs compared to 10 on the democratic side. There is a good chance that the democrats will win back the majority if people go out and vote.
If Sanders becomes the next president, there will be a large & energized young voter base that can easily be mobilized through social media to win seats back in states such as Wisconsin. In fact, the chances with Sanders to win the Senate back is higher than with Clinton.
That brings us to Sanders in the White House, a democratic majority in the Senate and a progressive Supreme Court by the end of 2016
That's give us a fastback to overturn Citizen United, which will pull out large sums of money from politics and the Senate feels less pressured to vote in favor of big money interests.
Minimum wage can be set to $15, trade deals modified to keep large companies in the US (Germany did that very successfully with their auto industry btw). Yes, this will lead to higher prices for products but with smart import regulations & thanks to more and better paid jobs, there will be a larger, prosperous middle class who can afford higher prices.
Less money in politics means we can back out from fossil fuel wars more easily and battle the bigger threat: Climate change.
Steve Jobs pushed his peers to invent the first smartphone because the technology didn't exist at that time. So why on earth do we need to stay 'real' in politics?
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Hillary Clinton is not a New Yorker. She jumped to NYC in order to grab her current Secretary position! What has she accomplished in all the years she has been in vogue? The Prison system is disgraceful. Hillary and her elk could have carefully analyzed the prison system for methods of improvement. Hillary had the power and the years to make change. A wonderful idea has recently sprung from the incarceration debate: Set up schools within the prison system. There are many that would have taken another life route if given an opportunity to inhale the history lessons of life. Very sad! It is frightening to look forward to a Trump or Hillary Presidency. I say Dump Trump and jettison Clinton.
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Hillary, the epitome of deceit and avarice, corrupting our nation, living, breathing, avarice in all its glory, so confident her message of incrementalism will win the day, she hardly bothers to defend it, except when Sanders gets too close to truly exposing her, exposing her reason for wanting to be President, which has little to do with representing the people, and everything to do with facilitating the corporate push to maintain the status quo, and keep it in place for another eight years, which will be long enough to work out the remaining details so our rulers, the Plutocratic Oligarchy, can kill off the last vestiges of our democracy.
Bernie is fighting the good fight, alerting the people to the harsh reality that is on their doorstep, a walking talking wheedling, lying, political hack, focused on the prize, and which will force its way in, if the people do nothing, and ignore his call to action.
Edmund Burke, an Irish statesman born in Dublin, after moving to London, served as an MP for many years in the House of Commons with the Whig Party; the quote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing", attributed to Burke, is a perfect fit for what we face today here in our United States.
If we permit Hillary with her "incrementalism", to gain the White House, the only change for the long suffering poor and the middle-class will be larger stale breadcrumbs, reluctantly doled out.
Bernie is fighting the good fight, alerting the people to the harsh reality that is on their doorstep, a walking talking wheedling, lying, political hack, focused on the prize, and which will force its way in, if the people do nothing, and ignore his call to action.
Edmund Burke, an Irish statesman born in Dublin, after moving to London, served as an MP for many years in the House of Commons with the Whig Party; the quote, "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing", attributed to Burke, is a perfect fit for what we face today here in our United States.
If we permit Hillary with her "incrementalism", to gain the White House, the only change for the long suffering poor and the middle-class will be larger stale breadcrumbs, reluctantly doled out.
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There's one critical difference between the two beyond the issues — one is presidential and one is somebody's angry uncle. Obama is presidential, Bill Clinton was as well, but Dubya was not. Leadership is about experience, confidence, details and nuance, but above all it's about presence. Hillary has it, Bernie does not.
It's no small thing, particularly when it comes to the role of the nation's leader having the gravitas that befits the responsibilities and decisions inherent with the office. Whether it's dealing with congress or other world leaders, we don't want Bernie or The Donald, we want someone with the stature and confidence (quite different than narcissism) of a true leader. Hillary has it, none of the others do.
Eclectic Pragmatist — http://eclectic-pragmatist.tumblr.com/
Eclectic Pragmatist — https://medium.com/eclectic-pragmatism
It's no small thing, particularly when it comes to the role of the nation's leader having the gravitas that befits the responsibilities and decisions inherent with the office. Whether it's dealing with congress or other world leaders, we don't want Bernie or The Donald, we want someone with the stature and confidence (quite different than narcissism) of a true leader. Hillary has it, none of the others do.
Eclectic Pragmatist — http://eclectic-pragmatist.tumblr.com/
Eclectic Pragmatist — https://medium.com/eclectic-pragmatism
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What are Hillary's actual accomplishments in her decades of public service?
I can't think of anything but consistent bad decisions based on poor judgement.
I can't think of anything but consistent bad decisions based on poor judgement.
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Great summary Eduardo. Well said and to the point.
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What does Sanders know about "proportionality" in fighting a war? He was a conscientious objector in the Vietnam war. In fact, 14 Heads of Joint Chiefs of Staff, including General Martin Dempsey, said Israel went above and beyond international law in fighting the Gaza war and made extreme efforts to avoid civilian casualties. Does he know better than they?? Has Sanders forgotten that Israel accepted an early UN-borkered cease-fire that Hamas rejected? Sanders is ridiculous.
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Fact check:
STATES WON - Hillary 18 vs Bernie 16
VOTES WON – Hillary 9.38M vs Bernie 6.96M
NON SUPER DELEGATES WON - Hillary 736 vs Bernie 364
There are 11 Southern States plus 2 Border States (regarding Civil War Participation). 12 of the 13 have voted.
Hillary is 12 vs Bernie 0
Remove the South and:
STATES WON - Hillary 6 vs Bernie 16
VOTES WON – Hillary 3.99M vs Bernie 4.19M
NON SUPER DELEGATES WON - Hillary 556 vs Bernie 678
I grew up in the South, and love it there. But the educational system throughout the majority of the South is somewhat lacking. Let’s face it, without the South and the Super delegates, Bernie would be ahead. And Trump would probably be working on his next reality show.
STATES WON - Hillary 18 vs Bernie 16
VOTES WON – Hillary 9.38M vs Bernie 6.96M
NON SUPER DELEGATES WON - Hillary 736 vs Bernie 364
There are 11 Southern States plus 2 Border States (regarding Civil War Participation). 12 of the 13 have voted.
Hillary is 12 vs Bernie 0
Remove the South and:
STATES WON - Hillary 6 vs Bernie 16
VOTES WON – Hillary 3.99M vs Bernie 4.19M
NON SUPER DELEGATES WON - Hillary 556 vs Bernie 678
I grew up in the South, and love it there. But the educational system throughout the majority of the South is somewhat lacking. Let’s face it, without the South and the Super delegates, Bernie would be ahead. And Trump would probably be working on his next reality show.
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And still people wonder how anyone could possibly think that the Bernie supporters would like nothing better than to disenfranchise for the primaries black Southern Democrats.
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Very creative.... You're essentially proposing that half of the electorate is worthless and therefore should be discounted. That's hardly a progressive attitude, although you're making a good case for the need to improve the educational system.
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As someone who grew up in the South, it's pretty ironic that you would insult its educational system. But hey, go on believing that most people who disagree with you are just not as intelligent. That doesn't make you an elitist at all. Or maybe it does? I don't really know, I must be a dummy since I voted for Clinton.
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Indeed, Bernie has great ideas. I challenge anyone to tell me how he will accomplish them. When Hillary says that the US is not Europe, she's right. You can't change a society that has been based on greed for at least 50 years into a socialist paradise overnight. Sorry.
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Here you go Princess:
1. Medicare for all; lower the actual expense of the delivery of health, renegotiate Medicare Part D, and recapture the 10-15% in profit from health insurance organizations
2. Free public education; he's proposing a tax on financial investments made by 'Wall Street' speculation
3. Extending Medicare solvency; increase the tax beyond $100k income to $200k. Adds 50+ years to life of the entitlement program.
Shouldn't you be demanding these kind of answers from his opponent; the one who loathes to actually take a position.
1. Medicare for all; lower the actual expense of the delivery of health, renegotiate Medicare Part D, and recapture the 10-15% in profit from health insurance organizations
2. Free public education; he's proposing a tax on financial investments made by 'Wall Street' speculation
3. Extending Medicare solvency; increase the tax beyond $100k income to $200k. Adds 50+ years to life of the entitlement program.
Shouldn't you be demanding these kind of answers from his opponent; the one who loathes to actually take a position.
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If Bernie is the nominee, let's hope that he chooses a rural Vermonter for the Supreme Court vacancy. It's well known that uniquely in Vermont, the gun buyers there all get D minus grades from the NRA and are extremely adept in explaining the intricacies of socialist economic theory. In no sense, therefore, could such a selection be considered pandering to the gun lobby, an idea that the Senator thoroughly disdains.
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Isn't it ironic that a man who has a chance (admittedly small) to become the first Jewish president, is doing his damnedest to undermine the Jewish state?
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He's not trying to undermine the Jewish state.
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HRC makes a ridiculous argument that it's OK to take wall St money because Obama did and he passed dodd Frank. who knows what more he might have done it he did not take the money. maybe some people would be in jail.
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After having ample time to explain her decision, it is abundantly clear that Hilary has not released her transcripts because she simply does not want to do so. She is an enormously talented and professional politician who has made the determination that she has more to lose than to gain by releasing her transcripts. This is pragmatism at its core and I can respect that, I suppose. Yet, it reinforces a growing perception that Clinton believes the practicality of her decisions somehow make them ethical as well. This is why she never truly goes to the heart of the issue. Why the private server? Well, other people did it. Why the Super PAC? Well, other people do it. Why the speaking fees? Well, other people do it. Why are you refusing to repeat your own words? Well, other people do it. Why the vote for regime change (Libya and Iraq). Well, other people did it. Why the support for the 1994 crime bill? Well, other people did it. At first I thought she was just dodging questions, but now I'm really starting to believe she does not REALLY understand why the question is being asked at all. One wonders how Clinton would analyze the subject of torture or drones. Would the words "right and wrong" even enter into President Clinton's war room analysis? After all, other people do it.
Note: The policy of emulating others does not seem to be accepted when Sanders brings up healthcare.
Note: The policy of emulating others does not seem to be accepted when Sanders brings up healthcare.
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If people have such a problem with the amounts people get paid for speeches, why don't you take it up with the firms that pay them. I would be happy to take 250k for my drivel.
Meanwhile, commenters ask, wasn't anyone RECORDING those speeches? There MUST be a recording-! Good lord, do you not think a halfway decent reporter could find one or two of the more than 50 people who attended? Give it a rest people.
Meanwhile, commenters ask, wasn't anyone RECORDING those speeches? There MUST be a recording-! Good lord, do you not think a halfway decent reporter could find one or two of the more than 50 people who attended? Give it a rest people.
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Funny how the writers of this article didn't even mention the debate on guns, as it played a prominent part in the debate. Must have gone to the kitchen for a snack during that long segment?
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Bernie makes me sick. I don't think I could take four years of listening to him pontificate. Some of the comments say he is "authentic." Really? He strikes me as a demagogue, and like all demagogues, his message is simple, easily understood, and simply does not stand up to analysis, as for example his proposals how to pay for universal health care. I have seen estimates from Washington economists that suggest Bernie is off by several trillion. Hillary is a pragmatist, and since when has that been bad? Lincoln and FDR were both pragmatists; Hitler was a "visionary." I will vote enthusiastically for Hillary, but if Bernie is the nominee, I will look seriously at the Republican candidate.
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Lincoln and FDR may have been pragmatists, but their pragmatism didn't seem to prevent them from accomplishing great things. What great things has Hillary done? Bill Clinton ran on health care, turned the problem over to his wife, who took lots of notes and wrote losts of reports, made a big deal of going up to Congress, then promptly dropped the whole thing when she ran into some opposition. That's what her type of pragmatism gets you-- a stalled, declining country.
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Mrs. Clinton's whole appeal to voters seemed to be:
I will continue to do what Obama has done!
I stand with Barack Obama!
She was clearly grabbing Obama's coattails this time out, as well as mentioning all that Bill "achieved" at every opportunity.
What are her signature accomplishments? Aside from renaming a stretch of the NY State Thruway for fellow Iraq Way hawk Tim Russert?
And don't you find it rather illuminating that she was unable to articulate any attacks on Sanders without relying on a thoroughly discredited (by the NY Times) NY Daily new editorial - published by a man who notoriously made her large cash donations "foundation"?
As I see it, Mrs. Clinton has nothing to offer except naked ambition and a knack for squeezing money for herself out of corporations with business before the government.
The people - who got together to draft Sanders in the first place - deserve more. Much more.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
I will continue to do what Obama has done!
I stand with Barack Obama!
She was clearly grabbing Obama's coattails this time out, as well as mentioning all that Bill "achieved" at every opportunity.
What are her signature accomplishments? Aside from renaming a stretch of the NY State Thruway for fellow Iraq Way hawk Tim Russert?
And don't you find it rather illuminating that she was unable to articulate any attacks on Sanders without relying on a thoroughly discredited (by the NY Times) NY Daily new editorial - published by a man who notoriously made her large cash donations "foundation"?
As I see it, Mrs. Clinton has nothing to offer except naked ambition and a knack for squeezing money for herself out of corporations with business before the government.
The people - who got together to draft Sanders in the first place - deserve more. Much more.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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"Iraq War"... I hate typos.
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Hillary's oft repeated line about "diagnosis being easier than solutions" struck me as incredibly ignorant of the process of problem solving. As anyone knows who ever has solved a problem -- any problem -- accurate diagnosis is the key. In fact, you'll never solve any problem until you've diagnosed it correctly. Furthermore, diagnosing a problem is not that easy. It first takes a deep understanding of all the details and nuances, which usually requires extensive research, and second, a bit of detective talent. If Sanders is so good at diagnosis, as Hillary proclaims, perhaps she should pay a little more attention to what he says about some of our persistent problems.
Unless she's not interested in solutions.
Unless she's not interested in solutions.
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Her comments along those lines just kept striking me as incredibly outdated and unimaginative.I am the same age as Hillary and hope I don't sound that outdated to people.
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If Senator Sanders succeeds in dividing the Party and becomes the Ralph Nader of 2016, I hope he is prepared to live with the consequences in the years to come. I believe him to be an honest, decent man, but I do not for one New York minute believe he can accomplish his ambitious agenda in the current political climate. It was a miracle the ACA, which admittedly is flawed, but certainly better than nothing, passed. It would not today.
What happened in this country when the big banks did fail? We had a depression. What happened when big factories closed and American goods started to be produced overseas? People were devastated. I abhor just as much as anyone the greed that has overtaken the CEO's and all the one percenters. I agree we do need more regulation and control over how business is done, but the government needs to work with businesses to keep jobs here in this country. It does not need to become their enemy.
I am a liberal, but one who is realistic about social changes coming in increments, rather than in fell swoops. If we hold onto the progressive changes that have come at great sacrifice, I will be satisfied with that. I believe that Hillary Clinton, who has fought tirelessly for women's rights, children's rights and the Middle Class will continue that fight when she becomes President. Taking money from Wall Street does not negate her commitment to the Middle Class, anymore than it did Obama's.
One other thing. I have had it with angry white males.
What happened in this country when the big banks did fail? We had a depression. What happened when big factories closed and American goods started to be produced overseas? People were devastated. I abhor just as much as anyone the greed that has overtaken the CEO's and all the one percenters. I agree we do need more regulation and control over how business is done, but the government needs to work with businesses to keep jobs here in this country. It does not need to become their enemy.
I am a liberal, but one who is realistic about social changes coming in increments, rather than in fell swoops. If we hold onto the progressive changes that have come at great sacrifice, I will be satisfied with that. I believe that Hillary Clinton, who has fought tirelessly for women's rights, children's rights and the Middle Class will continue that fight when she becomes President. Taking money from Wall Street does not negate her commitment to the Middle Class, anymore than it did Obama's.
One other thing. I have had it with angry white males.
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It‘s not only that he wouldn‘t accomplish his agenda, admirable as it is. The problem is that in the general election his candidacy could put the GOP in the White House.
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I've been waiting 47 years for the first increment. Tip the cart over and FEEL THE BERN !
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Hillary certainly fought for Monica's rights..
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Closed primaries may make establishment candidates happy but they aren't good weathervanes for a general election.
Are partisan party members a good barometer? Or do they help people like Hillary Clinton evade reality?
Yes--many Sanders supporters posting here are independent voters. I'm one--an ex-Noo Yawkuh who used to be Hillary's constituent. I've never voted for a Republican or conservative in my life and I skipped both of the senatorial elections where Hillary ran.
I don't dislike her. I loathe her, and I'm honestly baffled that anyone who genuinely cares about justice, and human rights, and fairness, can claim to like, or love, or admire her. We don't need the Republican slime machine to give us ammunition--blanks or live. We just need to watch Hillary every time she opens her mouth. It's always someone else's fault--even as she hugs Obama as tightly as she can, she lets go when necessary to avoid legitimate criticism. Even for something as silly as that recent skit--it's de Blasio's fault. She just went along with it.
She's been running for President her entire adult life. She knew how to craft a resume and cultivate the right people and how to defend an indefensible spouse because he was her steppingstone to glory.
She's a slap in the face to every woman who actually has had to make it on her own, without connections or money or access to the best education.
No, I won't come together in solidarity later. I'll write Sanders' name in if I have to..
Are partisan party members a good barometer? Or do they help people like Hillary Clinton evade reality?
Yes--many Sanders supporters posting here are independent voters. I'm one--an ex-Noo Yawkuh who used to be Hillary's constituent. I've never voted for a Republican or conservative in my life and I skipped both of the senatorial elections where Hillary ran.
I don't dislike her. I loathe her, and I'm honestly baffled that anyone who genuinely cares about justice, and human rights, and fairness, can claim to like, or love, or admire her. We don't need the Republican slime machine to give us ammunition--blanks or live. We just need to watch Hillary every time she opens her mouth. It's always someone else's fault--even as she hugs Obama as tightly as she can, she lets go when necessary to avoid legitimate criticism. Even for something as silly as that recent skit--it's de Blasio's fault. She just went along with it.
She's been running for President her entire adult life. She knew how to craft a resume and cultivate the right people and how to defend an indefensible spouse because he was her steppingstone to glory.
She's a slap in the face to every woman who actually has had to make it on her own, without connections or money or access to the best education.
No, I won't come together in solidarity later. I'll write Sanders' name in if I have to..
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Political parties have something called "membership".
Why in the world should non-members be allowed to choose the party leadership?
If you'd like to get involved, your local Democratic precinct would love to have you as a member!
Otherwise, put a sock in it.
Why in the world should non-members be allowed to choose the party leadership?
If you'd like to get involved, your local Democratic precinct would love to have you as a member!
Otherwise, put a sock in it.
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President Cruz sends his thanks via your new GOP ayatollah block captain who will be knocking on your door with his armed religious militia to insure you are attending the mandatory daily neighborhood re-education and prayer meetings that begin next January 20th.
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Extinction: without immediate and thoughtful change it is our future.
I am stunned at the reactionary corporatist denial of so called "liberals" and their favored candidate, skilled by years of practice at evasion, dishonesty and self service. We contemplate our own deaths with what is kindly characterized as "ignorance."
I am stunned at the reactionary corporatist denial of so called "liberals" and their favored candidate, skilled by years of practice at evasion, dishonesty and self service. We contemplate our own deaths with what is kindly characterized as "ignorance."
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Rather bland debate, Sanders gets the edge but I don't think this will change anything about the polls. Sanders is a pariah within the establishment, and no matter how much the unsung hero tries, his message won't shine through. The simple truth is that it is Hillary's "turn" so to speak, and the powers that be are going to do everything they can to shield her from scrutiny and push her into office. I am a staunch Sanders supporter, and Hillary may have my vote if it comes down to a Hillary vs Trump contest, but it's a shame that the real truth seeker of this election cycle will be shut out.
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Bernie Sanders has a tired act and he lacks judgment to be President, as shown by his constant whining rhetoric on Wall Street, of which Hillary still made more sense then him on that issue.
Bernie doesn't have the breadth of knowledge on all of the various domestic and foreign policy issues that Hillary Clinton has shown, and she is specific with details and facts.....not the broad statements that Bernie likes to throw out there.
I'm a Democrat and Bernie is not, and I'm frankly getting really sick and tired of the old Bern!
Bernie doesn't have the breadth of knowledge on all of the various domestic and foreign policy issues that Hillary Clinton has shown, and she is specific with details and facts.....not the broad statements that Bernie likes to throw out there.
I'm a Democrat and Bernie is not, and I'm frankly getting really sick and tired of the old Bern!
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Bernie had himself a good night. He questioned Hillary's judgment on the Iraq War (“the worst foreign policy blunder in the modern history of this country”); called out a vague rambling answer she gave about support for raising the federal minimum wage to $15 an hour (“history has outpaced Secretary Clinton”); and took her and her husband to task for the use of the phrase “super predator” during their advocacy for the 1994 crime bill.
“It is a racist term and everybody knew it was a racist term,” Bernie said, in one of the sharpest exchanges of the night.
But Bernie also stumbled at times, failing to point to a specific decision Hillary made that was influenced by her donors; and getting caught snickering at Hillary's attacks on him when the tone of the debate grew somber as the topic switched to gun violence.
“This is not a laughing matter. Ninety people on average a day are killed or commit suicide,” Hillary quickly noted.
This is like watching a game now in the 4th quarters with the crowd looking at the score and the clock ticking down. Despite Bernie's doggedness, the delegate math is Bernie's enemy, and the clock is winding down. Numbers and time are not on his side.
“It is a racist term and everybody knew it was a racist term,” Bernie said, in one of the sharpest exchanges of the night.
But Bernie also stumbled at times, failing to point to a specific decision Hillary made that was influenced by her donors; and getting caught snickering at Hillary's attacks on him when the tone of the debate grew somber as the topic switched to gun violence.
“This is not a laughing matter. Ninety people on average a day are killed or commit suicide,” Hillary quickly noted.
This is like watching a game now in the 4th quarters with the crowd looking at the score and the clock ticking down. Despite Bernie's doggedness, the delegate math is Bernie's enemy, and the clock is winding down. Numbers and time are not on his side.
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I want to see Hillary travelling as president to third world countries and when meeting the leadership, press, etc. observe that it is not a good idea for democracy to have family members or spouses of former presidents seeking the highest office.
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I'm not a fan of either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders. However, Mrs. Clinton has been around for a very long time and I have NEVER liked her, NEVER trusted her, and just don't believe anything that comes from her mouth. She is too polished and too rehearsed. I firmly believe she will do as much damage to the middle class as she will allow the 1% to continue to prosper. I always thought her notion of taking up residency in New York so she could run and easily win the Senate seat was wrong. Her actions then and now say a lot about her character and credibility.
Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, truly comes across with more conviction and inner strength and Hillary ever will. I believe he will do whatever he can for every American citizen. He seems to care more about this country whereas Hillary seems to care more about herself.
Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, truly comes across with more conviction and inner strength and Hillary ever will. I believe he will do whatever he can for every American citizen. He seems to care more about this country whereas Hillary seems to care more about herself.
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"I'm not a fan of either Hillary Clinton or Bernie Sanders."
"Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, truly comes across with more conviction and inner strength … I believe he will do whatever he can for every American citizen. He seems to care more about this country …."
I would like to see what you write for someone you are a fan of.
"Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, truly comes across with more conviction and inner strength … I believe he will do whatever he can for every American citizen. He seems to care more about this country …."
I would like to see what you write for someone you are a fan of.
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The full transcript from Bernie's speech today at the Vatican is worth the read, for a more holistic idea of his world view.
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Bernie Supporters - while we all agree that he has the right ideas, you have to face facts: all his ideas require NEW LAWS TO BE ENACTED BY CONGRESS. This Congress (or even a new one that shifts dramatically Democratic) is dysfunctional, occupied by a majority of standard bearers for the drooling right wingers who pack Trump and Cruz rallies, and would not allow a single piece of Sanders-proposed legislation to ever see the light of day. Sanders has been consistent in his fervent and admirable populist views, and has held a very powerful seat in federal government for many many years. Yet he's been ineffective this entire time because of the dysfunctional body in which he participates. A vote for him, even if he were to win the presidency, is a vote for arctic gridlock and zero progress for the next four years at minimum. You thought obstruction of Obama was bad? Put Sanders in the white house and you'll see obstruction on an unfathomable level.
Clinton is the only one who, by political negotiation (an art form lost on Sanders) can sustain some semblance of continued incremental shift away from extreme right wing policy. Gains in all the issues Sanders preaches about can only come in small steps - not because Clinton supporters are not on board, but because they understand the reality of how gains are made - by political compromise and moderate behavior. Anything else just fuels the right and digs us deeper into nowhere land.
Clinton is the only one who, by political negotiation (an art form lost on Sanders) can sustain some semblance of continued incremental shift away from extreme right wing policy. Gains in all the issues Sanders preaches about can only come in small steps - not because Clinton supporters are not on board, but because they understand the reality of how gains are made - by political compromise and moderate behavior. Anything else just fuels the right and digs us deeper into nowhere land.
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Clinton can work across the aisle? In one of the first debates she said the enemy she was most proud of was the republicans. Further, it seems pretty clear that almost every republican despises her, so why do you think they are going to work with her?
I'm not saying Sanders will get everything in his agenda passed, but he was nicknamed the Amendment King in the senate because he has had more amendments passed than any other senator. He has also worked across the aisle on issues like veterans affairs with republicans like John McCain, who still speaks highly of Sanders to this day.
I'm not saying Sanders will get everything in his agenda passed, but he was nicknamed the Amendment King in the senate because he has had more amendments passed than any other senator. He has also worked across the aisle on issues like veterans affairs with republicans like John McCain, who still speaks highly of Sanders to this day.
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Chavez talked like Sanders promising a redistribution of wealth. It ruined the country. No way could Sanders accomplish a thing, even with a Democratic Congress.
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1. There is no way she gets *anything* on the Dem agenda done with Congress. Many, many members of Congress will make it their life's work to obstruct anything she floats. The only things she will get agreement on are things that Repubs want done anyway.
2. There is much Sanders can accomplish within the existing regulatory framework re reining in the banks. The apparatus for doing so resides within the Executive Branch. Where there is POTUS will on this issue, there is a way.
2. There is much Sanders can accomplish within the existing regulatory framework re reining in the banks. The apparatus for doing so resides within the Executive Branch. Where there is POTUS will on this issue, there is a way.
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The PAC, Wall Street, GS $$$ to Secretary Clinton is seed money dividends bestowed upon her donors following her taking the "Oath of Office", then you will witness the influence it has on her firsthand and it will be too late. Lest we forget her surrogates further down the income stream all beholding to the 1% ! We require the courage to tip the apple cart, let's support our children, it's their future we always say we're so concerned about. Let's prove it and FEEL THE BERN !
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Well, now we see an example of Mr. Sanders' foreign affairs prowess...the Pope passed on the opportunity to meet the Senator. It's pure optics but it tells you a bit about this Senator whose messages I like but likes has little to do with actions.
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He was invited by the Vatican, because it would have been too transparent for the Pope to endorse in that way. But he wouldn't have been invited if the Pontiff didn't want him there. Feel better?
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If Hillary manages to win the New York primary without having released the transcripts, I'll not consider an ultimate Clinton presidency a legitimate one; I'll consider the victory stolen.
Clinton has pretended Bernie's failure to cite a 'smoking gun' legislative act proves she's not influenced or overly cozy with Wall Street. The only thing that could begin to convince me of Hillary's political independence and non-beholdenness to Goldman Sachs/Wall Street would be those transcripts, the only reliable evidence of her actual orientation to those institutions.
Hillary is getting away with murder by being allowed this dodge. She knows in her heart they will ultimately be revealed; she's counting on having duped the electorate and stolen the election first.
Clinton has pretended Bernie's failure to cite a 'smoking gun' legislative act proves she's not influenced or overly cozy with Wall Street. The only thing that could begin to convince me of Hillary's political independence and non-beholdenness to Goldman Sachs/Wall Street would be those transcripts, the only reliable evidence of her actual orientation to those institutions.
Hillary is getting away with murder by being allowed this dodge. She knows in her heart they will ultimately be revealed; she's counting on having duped the electorate and stolen the election first.
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Even posting the same comment twice doesn't make it truthier.
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None of the Republican candidates have given any speeches to Wall Street, per Daily Kos today. So Hillary will divulge her pillow talk with Goldman Sachs now, right?
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A Goldstein: that's a great rebuttal. Obviously I attempted to resubmit a corrected version upon noticing mistakes.
Your associating that term "truthiness" with my comment is absurd.
Romney let it slip in what he thought was closed quarters that he 'doesn't care about' (is for election purposes writing off) the bottom 43%.
These transcripts are Clinton's Romney blunder, and she knows it: a private disclosure of her true orientation to the relationship between Wall Street financier-banksters to the group she claims to represent.
As far as I'm concerned (and unfortunately probably only a small minority feel this way, a more general indifference or passivity she is cynically counting on), the hidden speeches are themselves a smoking gun. "When others release" is so blatant an evasion as to literally arouse incredulity: people can't real believe the dodge is the actual admission it is. Hillary is indeed a pawn of Wall Street, Goldman Sachs in particular. In way, I'd rather have a Republican who at least admits that that's what he is.
Your associating that term "truthiness" with my comment is absurd.
Romney let it slip in what he thought was closed quarters that he 'doesn't care about' (is for election purposes writing off) the bottom 43%.
These transcripts are Clinton's Romney blunder, and she knows it: a private disclosure of her true orientation to the relationship between Wall Street financier-banksters to the group she claims to represent.
As far as I'm concerned (and unfortunately probably only a small minority feel this way, a more general indifference or passivity she is cynically counting on), the hidden speeches are themselves a smoking gun. "When others release" is so blatant an evasion as to literally arouse incredulity: people can't real believe the dodge is the actual admission it is. Hillary is indeed a pawn of Wall Street, Goldman Sachs in particular. In way, I'd rather have a Republican who at least admits that that's what he is.
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If Hillary manages to win the New York primary without having released the transcripts, I'll not consider an ultimate Clinton presidency a legitimate one; I'll consider the victory stolen.
Clinton has pretended Bernie's failure to cite a 'smoking gun' legislative act proves she's not influenced or overly cozy with Wall Street. The only thing that could begin to convince me of Hillary's political indelendence and non-beholdenness to Goldman Sachs/Wall Street would be those transcripts, the only reliable evidence of her actual orientation to those orientations.
Hillary is getting away with murder by being allowed this dodge. She knows in her heart they will ultimately be revealed; she's counting on having duped the electorate and stolen the election first.
Clinton has pretended Bernie's failure to cite a 'smoking gun' legislative act proves she's not influenced or overly cozy with Wall Street. The only thing that could begin to convince me of Hillary's political indelendence and non-beholdenness to Goldman Sachs/Wall Street would be those transcripts, the only reliable evidence of her actual orientation to those orientations.
Hillary is getting away with murder by being allowed this dodge. She knows in her heart they will ultimately be revealed; she's counting on having duped the electorate and stolen the election first.
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I love anyone who tells me I can eat as much dessert and candy as I want and I won't gain weight or get cavities. However, we all know that's won't happen. This is how I new the sanders platform. So if he got elected and nothing happens - then what?
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Then you'd have a carbon copy of the Obama presidency.
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"... and so they promise the world, knowing that their policies will never be tested."
That's Bernie, of course, but that misses the point: Neither of them will actually accomplish anything. In your wildest dreams, can you imagine Hillary getting any significant piece of legislation through Congress?
Hillary or Bernie – whichever one gets the nod – will be relegated to 4 years or 8 years of accomplishing nothing beyond (1) picking Supreme Court justices (extremely important); (2) accomplishing little nibbles through executive orders; and (3) giving stirring speeches.
Hillary and Bernie are likely to be roughly the same on #1 and #2. That leaves #3. Who should be giving those speeches? Who should be articulating the vision of the Democratic Party?
If only Hillary could win, that might be more important than these questions. But if either of them can beat Trump or Cruz (as the polls show), why in the world would Democrats want Hillary Clinton as the spokesperson of their party? Baffles me.
That's Bernie, of course, but that misses the point: Neither of them will actually accomplish anything. In your wildest dreams, can you imagine Hillary getting any significant piece of legislation through Congress?
Hillary or Bernie – whichever one gets the nod – will be relegated to 4 years or 8 years of accomplishing nothing beyond (1) picking Supreme Court justices (extremely important); (2) accomplishing little nibbles through executive orders; and (3) giving stirring speeches.
Hillary and Bernie are likely to be roughly the same on #1 and #2. That leaves #3. Who should be giving those speeches? Who should be articulating the vision of the Democratic Party?
If only Hillary could win, that might be more important than these questions. But if either of them can beat Trump or Cruz (as the polls show), why in the world would Democrats want Hillary Clinton as the spokesperson of their party? Baffles me.
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Actually, this is a very astute analysis.
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Bernie. Cannot. Win. The. South. He'd lose every state, guaranteed.
Period.
Period.
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Neither. Can. She.
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Bernie has been a champion of the workers, the middle class and the poor. He would like for our country to take a moral stand against income inequality. Here is his speech at the Vatican conference: http://time.com/4296102/bernie-sanders-vatican-speech-transcript/
"The essential wisdom of Centesimus Annus is this: A market economy is beneficial for productivity and economic freedom. But if we let the quest for profits dominate society; if workers become disposable cogs of the financial system; if vast inequalities of power and wealth lead to marginalization of the poor and the powerless; then the common good is squandered and the market economy fails us. Pope John Paul II puts it this way: profit that is the result of “illicit exploitation, speculation, or the breaking of solidarity among working people . . . has not justification, and represents an abuse in the sight of God and man.” (Para43)."
"The essential wisdom of Centesimus Annus is this: A market economy is beneficial for productivity and economic freedom. But if we let the quest for profits dominate society; if workers become disposable cogs of the financial system; if vast inequalities of power and wealth lead to marginalization of the poor and the powerless; then the common good is squandered and the market economy fails us. Pope John Paul II puts it this way: profit that is the result of “illicit exploitation, speculation, or the breaking of solidarity among working people . . . has not justification, and represents an abuse in the sight of God and man.” (Para43)."
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You and your comrade Sanders ignore the fact that wealth is the score in capitalist economies and that the pursuit of profits is the only function of a business. All gains belong to the shareholder and only the shareholders. Additionally, taxation must not become a liberals means to forced charity. The fact is that some will succeed and many will fail. That is the survival of the fittest basis for free markets. The alternatives have been tried and repeatedly disproved.
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And yet, in a 25-year legislative career, it is impossible to point to anything of note he has accomplished. He talks a good talk, but when it comes to actually getting things done, he is a glorious failure.
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He was known as "the Amendment King" for getting legislation accomplished that way. Google it.
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Still waiting on those tax returns Senator Sanders.
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The revolution is being led by a millionaire. Courtesy of his fat government paycheck
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Hillary's vast wealth overshadows anyone in politics.....still waiting for those transcripts.
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Its out mate. Dont expect anything like your corporate overlord.
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I support just about everything that Bernie has to say about healthcare and his progressive goals for the poor and middle class. However, if her were elected I don't see how he gets a single piece of legislation past a Republican Congress.
My other question is how his ardent supporters will react when almost nothing gets done in his first two years. Will they actually show up for change in a midterm election?
My other question is how his ardent supporters will react when almost nothing gets done in his first two years. Will they actually show up for change in a midterm election?
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If you think they won't work with Bernie just wait till another Clinton gets in.
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Keep in mind here and a topic the media (of course) doesn't want to talk about, is:
24 republican seats in the senate are up for grabs compared to 10 on the democratic side in 2016. There is a good chance that the democrats win back the majority if people go out to vote.
If Bernie Sanders becomes the next president, there will an incredible large and energized young voter base that can easily be mobilized through social media to win the seats back in states such as Wisconsin etc. With Bernie Sanders there is a very good chance that the Democrats win the Senate back. He is also the better candidate to reach across the aisle btw.
That brings us to Sanders in the White House, a democratic majority in the Senate and a progressive Supreme Court.
They could then turn over Citizen United, that pulls out large sums of money from politics and the Senate has less pressured to vote in favor of big money interest.
Minimum wage can be set to $15, trade deals modified to keep large companies in the US, which means higher prices for products but with smart Import regulations & thanks to more and better paid factory jobs, there will be a larger, prosperous middle class who can afford higher prices.
With less money in politics we can back out from fossil fuel wars and battle the bigger threat: Climate change.
Steve Jobs pushed his peers to invent the first smartphone because the technology didn't exist at that time. So why on earth do we need to stay 'real' in politics?
24 republican seats in the senate are up for grabs compared to 10 on the democratic side in 2016. There is a good chance that the democrats win back the majority if people go out to vote.
If Bernie Sanders becomes the next president, there will an incredible large and energized young voter base that can easily be mobilized through social media to win the seats back in states such as Wisconsin etc. With Bernie Sanders there is a very good chance that the Democrats win the Senate back. He is also the better candidate to reach across the aisle btw.
That brings us to Sanders in the White House, a democratic majority in the Senate and a progressive Supreme Court.
They could then turn over Citizen United, that pulls out large sums of money from politics and the Senate has less pressured to vote in favor of big money interest.
Minimum wage can be set to $15, trade deals modified to keep large companies in the US, which means higher prices for products but with smart Import regulations & thanks to more and better paid factory jobs, there will be a larger, prosperous middle class who can afford higher prices.
With less money in politics we can back out from fossil fuel wars and battle the bigger threat: Climate change.
Steve Jobs pushed his peers to invent the first smartphone because the technology didn't exist at that time. So why on earth do we need to stay 'real' in politics?
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The GOP hates the Clintons and spent the better part of 2 years trying to impeach Bill. If possible, they hate Hillary even more and are going to obstruct a President Hillary in much the same way they've obstructed President Obama for the last 7 years. She'll get absolutely nothing done and they may find an issue for which they can impeach her. Darryl Issa and Trey Gowdy will likely at least try.
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If we Americans miss this unique opportunity of electing another decent President and return back to the business as usual politics represented by Clinton we will have more disasters like Libya and give more power to the big business which shoved its patriotism by hiding billion dollars overseas to escape taxes.
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I am more interested in what Sauders has done, or rather NOT done in his entire political career then in what he says thinks should happen. Clinton has accomplished a lot in her life, Saunders almost nothing. Given that Barack Obama has been so hampered by the Republicans that they will not pass any legislation, and will not even consider his nominee for the Supreme Court, what makes any American think they will work with Saunders. He will never get out the door.
Hillary will support Obamas Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland, because our Constitution demands it, and this should not be stymied by the unAmerican Republicans in Congress and their subversion of the entire Democratic Process. If they delay and refuse to consider the nomination, of course the next Democratic President must follow through. Sanders is just as guilty as the Republicans in refusing Obama's choice. We voted for Obama, he is our President, he nominates the Justice, and delaying the process so that another President can make a different choice is dishonest, illegal and wrong, whether that new President is a Republican OR a Democrat. Sanders completely missed the boat on that one, showing terrible judgement.
So forget where they get their money from, forget the relatively minor differences in their stated policies, and look at their experience, their competence to get the job done, their history, and it is no contest. Hillary won the debate, and she wins for the country, hands down.
Hillary will support Obamas Supreme Court nominee Merrick Garland, because our Constitution demands it, and this should not be stymied by the unAmerican Republicans in Congress and their subversion of the entire Democratic Process. If they delay and refuse to consider the nomination, of course the next Democratic President must follow through. Sanders is just as guilty as the Republicans in refusing Obama's choice. We voted for Obama, he is our President, he nominates the Justice, and delaying the process so that another President can make a different choice is dishonest, illegal and wrong, whether that new President is a Republican OR a Democrat. Sanders completely missed the boat on that one, showing terrible judgement.
So forget where they get their money from, forget the relatively minor differences in their stated policies, and look at their experience, their competence to get the job done, their history, and it is no contest. Hillary won the debate, and she wins for the country, hands down.
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"So forget where they get their money from..."
Went off the rails at the end there...
Went off the rails at the end there...
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Isn't this amazing?
"I have no idea what she really believes."
Hillary has been around for 25 years. We should know by now what she believes. Yet we don't. Isn't that amazing?
"I have no idea what she really believes."
Hillary has been around for 25 years. We should know by now what she believes. Yet we don't. Isn't that amazing?
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Whatever, half the country thinks Obama is still harboring an anti-American agenda, and at least publicly, the Senate states that he can't be trusted to nominate a Supreme Court justice.
Ideas come and go as the challenges do. I want someone who believes in compromise. Is there anyone besides Hillary who does? Absolutely not.
Ideas come and go as the challenges do. I want someone who believes in compromise. Is there anyone besides Hillary who does? Absolutely not.
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Not only is it amazing, it is equally scary. That woman, Hillary Clinton, truly frightens me.
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not really. politicians are about compromise and flexibility. it's easy for non-politicians to be dogmatic and have an agenda, but once you have to negotiate with other powerful people, you learn to keep your cards close to your vest and to try to avoid categorization. it's what makes politicians seem slimey, but it's also what enables them to play off other politicians against each other in an attempt to get things done while in office.
many political celebrities are very clear about what they believe, but people like Bono are ill-suited for White House politics.
many political celebrities are very clear about what they believe, but people like Bono are ill-suited for White House politics.
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The commentariat have spoken : Yes to Sanders, no to Clinton
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Unfortunately Clinton has consistently demonstrated erroneous judgement. I think her thoughts are generally in the right place but she chooses a course of action that frequently fails.
Sanders demonstrates the far left blind spot of not recognizing that human behavior is static and won't change if policy changes. Nope. Change a policy, behavior changes to maintain advantages or profit or position or new ways of taking advantage.
But the GOP is worse.
Sanders demonstrates the far left blind spot of not recognizing that human behavior is static and won't change if policy changes. Nope. Change a policy, behavior changes to maintain advantages or profit or position or new ways of taking advantage.
But the GOP is worse.
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In the game of soccer, you never make a mistake if you never handle the ball. The only players who don't make mistakes are the ones who have never done anything.
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@W.A. Spitzer,
Stick to being wrong in politics, leave soccer alone - you absolutely have no idea what you're talking about.
Stick to being wrong in politics, leave soccer alone - you absolutely have no idea what you're talking about.
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I am so tired of hearing about Clinton's speeches to Wall Street institutions.
If there were something juicy and scandalous in anything she said, we certainly would have heard about it before now.
I sympathize with her decision not to release transcripts, because whatever she said, it will be quoted out of context and used as a weapon against her. Even if she just said, "Hi, thank you for inviting me here today", it would be twisted into a sinister meaning.
I hear repeated insinuations about her character, based on no evidence. This is nothing new: the Republicans have been hounding both Clintons for decades. For them, it's a parlor game.
Hillary Clinton was in the private sector at the time of the speeches, and she was paid less than men with similar credentials. She has the right to make a living, just like the rest of us, and public speaking is her means for that.
It is also unhelpful to demonize Wall Street. The financial business is a significant part of our national economy. We need to clean it up and make it stable and accountable. Yelling about it gets us nowhere.
At this point, Hillary is the only grown-up in the room.
If there were something juicy and scandalous in anything she said, we certainly would have heard about it before now.
I sympathize with her decision not to release transcripts, because whatever she said, it will be quoted out of context and used as a weapon against her. Even if she just said, "Hi, thank you for inviting me here today", it would be twisted into a sinister meaning.
I hear repeated insinuations about her character, based on no evidence. This is nothing new: the Republicans have been hounding both Clintons for decades. For them, it's a parlor game.
Hillary Clinton was in the private sector at the time of the speeches, and she was paid less than men with similar credentials. She has the right to make a living, just like the rest of us, and public speaking is her means for that.
It is also unhelpful to demonize Wall Street. The financial business is a significant part of our national economy. We need to clean it up and make it stable and accountable. Yelling about it gets us nowhere.
At this point, Hillary is the only grown-up in the room.
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She left her post as SoS because she knew she was going to run for Prez. So let's get that out in the open. She probably told Blankfein and Co that if elected I will do everything in my power to keep you guys up and running things like you did in '08. I'll say one thing for sure, she is cold and calculating and will stop at nothing and won't stepping on whoever is in her way to get to the top. She makes my skin crawl.
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I think her character was on full display last night. When it came to Libya, she didn't hesitate to refuse to accept any of the blame; she gave that all to Obama.
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Agreed!
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I am probably going to vote for Hillary but really stand w Bernie over Israel. I'm sick of Bibi!
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Please reconsider if you are serious about standing with Bernie on this issue. A vote for Hillary is a vote for Benjamin Netanyahu (and/or whoever succeeds him). She is owned lock, stock and barrel by AIPAC and has consistently proved that with her comments and actions.
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NBC Marist poll suggests that Clinton has widened her lead in NY in the last week (from 12 to 17 points). If you read the comments section here in the NYT it would seem that HRC will get walloped by 20 points. It will be interesting to see who is out of touch with reality come Tuesday.
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Aren't polls conducted by contacting people who have land lines? If true, they exclude all those who have only mobiles.
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The people out of touch - the 80 year olds with landslides, which is who they're polling.
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The bravado and swagger of Senator Sanders and his supporters is directly a function of the lack of vetting of the candidate by the press and other candidates.
Left almost undiscussed, as a result, is the large cache of Sanders' writings from the 1970's and 1980's, including what Sanders supporters delicately refer to as "the rape essays." To be more precise, they are also the "masturbating about rape essays."
This material will come out whether Sanders is the nominee or not. They could rightfully assume that Hillary would not use this material against Sanders. But the right wing Republicans will soon be turning around and hanging Sanders around Clinton's neck as it is--candidate of the Socialist Party, etc. The "rape essays" alone will make Clinton's baggage look like merit badges.
This is SO serious that I hope the Clinton campaign is thinking about the impact of a Sanders endorsement. At this point, I think it is just a question of how big an albatross Sanders will be.
His chances of winning the nomination are the same as his chances were of meeting the Pope today.
Left almost undiscussed, as a result, is the large cache of Sanders' writings from the 1970's and 1980's, including what Sanders supporters delicately refer to as "the rape essays." To be more precise, they are also the "masturbating about rape essays."
This material will come out whether Sanders is the nominee or not. They could rightfully assume that Hillary would not use this material against Sanders. But the right wing Republicans will soon be turning around and hanging Sanders around Clinton's neck as it is--candidate of the Socialist Party, etc. The "rape essays" alone will make Clinton's baggage look like merit badges.
This is SO serious that I hope the Clinton campaign is thinking about the impact of a Sanders endorsement. At this point, I think it is just a question of how big an albatross Sanders will be.
His chances of winning the nomination are the same as his chances were of meeting the Pope today.
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I would be shocked and disappointed if the NYT readership was not enthusiastic about Bernie as most comments indicate. If not this audience then who? Bernie is a one-of-kind, first class progressive. That is not the issue. The questions we have at this critical juncture are: Can be elected in right-of-center nation. Can he win with a majority large enough to carry Congress? Can he do either of these things if Bernie supporters do nothing but trash-talk Hillary and fragment the Democratic Party?
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Sanders is an angry old white guy who rails against everything. Sorry that is not who most Americans want as president.
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Well, those who are angry about the same things he is certainly want him as president. "Old" and "white" are irrelevant. And "rails against everything" is hyperbole.
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Are you sure you weren't watching a rerun of the Republican debate?
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Love to know where all of these marxist posters think the money for all these utopian plans is going to come from?
Ohh right....the greedy cooperations.....not like anyones pension or 401K is vested with any of those.
Ohh right....the greedy cooperations.....not like anyones pension or 401K is vested with any of those.
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Maybe the lack of interventionist regime changes.
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I don't understand this misunderstanding about the 1% (even 10%) which Sanders champions. Business is funded by those with capital to spare. That includes established and entrepreneurial ventures. Sure, some wealthy have flamboyant lifestyles, but branding business people as evil is not based on reason. There is a misunderstanding about the way our nation's economic system works. Emotional slogans like "lets bring jobs back to America" get illogical support from masses of people. I don't have room to explain here, but we never send any job away to another country if that position can be filled here responding to the competitive market place, directly affected by costs of materials and labor on all levels. Several expanding businesses in my purview recently have not sent jobs away. We achieve that through digitally controlled automation (robotics), eliminating the types of lower level jobs often sent to overseas production facilities. One operation has gone virtually totally automated, enabling a reduction of 90% of manufacturing personnel in one facility while increasing output volume. Remaining positions require more sophisticated capabilities (opportunities for those with better educational credentials). Plus, this brings more high income jobs in the automation equipment industry as well.
There will be an ongoing trend keeping jobs here and bring some production back, creating more job opportunities at higher pay. Sanders needs to learn how business works.
There will be an ongoing trend keeping jobs here and bring some production back, creating more job opportunities at higher pay. Sanders needs to learn how business works.
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Correction is needed. Mr. Sander is not "branding business people as evil." Far from it.
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Says the person commenting from Madison Avenue.
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Now is the time for the American people to do what the founders declared in the Declaration of Independence: "That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..." Now is the time for the American people to get out of the game show mindset of political discourse and realize that "we the people" are the government in microcosm that regulates the government in macrocosm! This is not so much an endorsement of Sanders as it is understanding that we can no longer be ruled by our unwillingness to comprehend what is in plain sight i.e. that if Hillary Clinton has something to hide, her fidelity is to that which is hidden. So that should be her only reward!
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I believe Bernie when he says he can be more objective vis-a-vis the big banks. Hillary has had closed door meetings with Wall Street executives & lobbyists, & certainly hasn’t had closed meetings with Occupy-Wall Street, Michael Moore, or such critics of the role Wall Street played in the 2008 recession.
I believe Bernie when he says he will take more realistic approach to foreign policy issues (see the "Nation" article on this issue). We no longer can afford to act as if since we have this military & these weapons, so we might as well use them. The world doesn't want us to intervene with the frequency that we have.
I oppose Secretary Clinton fiercely on her partisan alliance with Israel’s far-right & with Netanyahu. Our support of Israel with aid & weapons, no matter how wrong Israel is (with its settlement expansion, disproportionate retaliation, etc.), is widely hated in the other countries of the Middle East.
It was a big deal that Hillary voted for George W Bush’s war. That war has brought untold suffering & chaos to the region.
Hillary promoted fracking, & yet Bill McKibben (in a "Nation" article) indicates that it's a significant contributor to global warming. She was in office when Obama played an obstructionist role at the Copenhagen climate summit, during Obama’s 1st term. Yes, the Paris accord was a better agreement, but Hillary was no longer Secretary of State then.
This was a substantive debate--worth watching!
I believe Bernie when he says he will take more realistic approach to foreign policy issues (see the "Nation" article on this issue). We no longer can afford to act as if since we have this military & these weapons, so we might as well use them. The world doesn't want us to intervene with the frequency that we have.
I oppose Secretary Clinton fiercely on her partisan alliance with Israel’s far-right & with Netanyahu. Our support of Israel with aid & weapons, no matter how wrong Israel is (with its settlement expansion, disproportionate retaliation, etc.), is widely hated in the other countries of the Middle East.
It was a big deal that Hillary voted for George W Bush’s war. That war has brought untold suffering & chaos to the region.
Hillary promoted fracking, & yet Bill McKibben (in a "Nation" article) indicates that it's a significant contributor to global warming. She was in office when Obama played an obstructionist role at the Copenhagen climate summit, during Obama’s 1st term. Yes, the Paris accord was a better agreement, but Hillary was no longer Secretary of State then.
This was a substantive debate--worth watching!
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"I believe Bernie when he says he will take more realistic approach to foreign policy issues"....So when will he tell us what it is? Every time foreign policy is discussed in the debates, the only thing Sanders has to say is that it is a matter of judgment and Clinton voted for Iraq. Beyond that I haven't a clue as to his foreign policy.
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Did you watch the debate last night? Peace in Palestine, for one thing. Many more
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"Peace in Palestine" is not foreign policy -- it sounds like a three-paragraph essay written by 10-year-old. The Middle East is much more complicated than that and the U.S. president needs to be ready to tackle those issues realistically and make tough decisions. Bernie hasn't demonstrated that he's prepared for that.
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The whole primary process is such a grueling , expensive, and demeaning circus that it discourages many of our best portential candidates from even thinking about competing for the presidency.
As for the debate, for the most part, the format and handling of the debate by the moderators was flawed.
Instead, let the two competitors SIT for a start, let them consult with their people before and during their answers, and let them FULLY respond to each other --for as long as it takes-- to get to the bottom of any particular question and answer.
Real answers and explanations, instead of a game of "gottcha".
Real and complete answers and detailed explanations of their respective positions, instead of truncated sound bites and cut-off or repetitive stump speech tidbits.
Of course this requires question that are relevant to the real needs and concerns of the voters as well...
As for the debate, for the most part, the format and handling of the debate by the moderators was flawed.
Instead, let the two competitors SIT for a start, let them consult with their people before and during their answers, and let them FULLY respond to each other --for as long as it takes-- to get to the bottom of any particular question and answer.
Real answers and explanations, instead of a game of "gottcha".
Real and complete answers and detailed explanations of their respective positions, instead of truncated sound bites and cut-off or repetitive stump speech tidbits.
Of course this requires question that are relevant to the real needs and concerns of the voters as well...
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@Stan Chaz,
I'm glad you said it. You've no idea how glad I am. We share the same criticisms. I'd add one: different moderators altogether. It would've been very interesting to see debates with Robert Reich and Amy Goodman as moderators. It might have been a different experience altogether.
4-15-16@3:54 pm
I'm glad you said it. You've no idea how glad I am. We share the same criticisms. I'd add one: different moderators altogether. It would've been very interesting to see debates with Robert Reich and Amy Goodman as moderators. It might have been a different experience altogether.
4-15-16@3:54 pm
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Agreed. I thought the format was bellicose and shallow at the same time. Instead of asking each candidate direct policy questions, they asked them to respond to something the other candidate said. The audience was an over-the-top distraction and the questioning format egged them on. Not surprised that not one question concerned the assault on women's health throughout the country.
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I did not see the whole debate but two things stand out in my memory from what I did see.
1. What Sanders had to say about Israel and its neighbors. I agree and appreciate his candor -- a candor seldom found in New York.
2. That Hillary seemed to think of tuition-free state university as some pie in the sky, over the top, idea. When I was in college (same time Hillary was in college) tuition, room and board at my state university was about $1,000 a year, and would have been 0 for me since I was offered a scholarship, though I went to a private school instead on a scholarship. She's from the midwest -- she can't remember what it was like when people could literally work their way through a state school pumping gas or something without loans, because tuition and room and board cost so much less? I know plenty of people of our generation who went to school that way.
I, and I think quite a few other people, would be happy to pay more taxes for the America Sanders envisions.
1. What Sanders had to say about Israel and its neighbors. I agree and appreciate his candor -- a candor seldom found in New York.
2. That Hillary seemed to think of tuition-free state university as some pie in the sky, over the top, idea. When I was in college (same time Hillary was in college) tuition, room and board at my state university was about $1,000 a year, and would have been 0 for me since I was offered a scholarship, though I went to a private school instead on a scholarship. She's from the midwest -- she can't remember what it was like when people could literally work their way through a state school pumping gas or something without loans, because tuition and room and board cost so much less? I know plenty of people of our generation who went to school that way.
I, and I think quite a few other people, would be happy to pay more taxes for the America Sanders envisions.
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No one wants to pay more taxes. Not those who can and certainly not those who are burdened by it.
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His plans call for taxes to be raised only on those making $250,000 or more a year.
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Taxes arre the price we pay for civilization. I think you would agree we want our taxes to be spent wisely to that end. The rich will still be rich even if they contribute more. Especially odious, is the break for hedge funds.
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We do reap the government that we deserve. Our government has acted in concert with moneyed interests since its inception. The "New Deal," stymied that procession for some two generations. That was a bright spot for the nation and that shine is losing its luster to the usual suspects. Many have benefited mightily and marginally in this system but the vast majority have paid the bill. Most say we are on the wrong course, I would agree. Who has the vision and courage to speak their truth and the truth of the majority. That is whom I would vote for.
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Hillary Clinton was trained as a lawyer and it shows her polishedness and her deft deflection from the important negatives she has. Bernie Sanders is speaking straight from the heart and his authenticity cannot be faked.
If I cannot trust a person, then it is immaterial how good that person talks because they are meaningless.
If I cannot trust a person, then it is immaterial how good that person talks because they are meaningless.
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If Hillary releases the transcripts of her speeches to Goldman,Sachs can they be certified that they weren't edited before they were released to the public? The speeches don't seem to have been videotaped or else TMZ would have released them by now.
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see, that's exactly why she's hesitating - why give this nonsensical line of questioning oxygen?
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Why does anyone think there are transcripts of any speeches? This smacks of Sanders' fantasy thinking. He is so out of touch with the world, that he thinks there are transcripts of private speeches. Does he have transcripts of his stump speeches in Vermont for 25 years? That is begging for votes and money - why doesn't he release those? Oh - yeah, its' the REAL WORLD and he doesn't have them. Seeing as nobody would pay a penny to hear him speak, this constant nagging about fantasy transcripts indicates his dream like world - and his jealousy of anyone successful in the real world. Ugly.
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Clinton's contract with Goldman Sachs provides for transcription of the speeches. They exist unless they've been intentionally destroyed/deleted.
No one is calling for Sanders to release his stump speech transcripts because 1) the speeches were made to the public, not a corporation with very specific interests at odds with the common good, and 2) he wasn't paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for them.
If you don't consider a life of public service "successful in the real world," I wonder what you base your idea of success on.
No one is calling for Sanders to release his stump speech transcripts because 1) the speeches were made to the public, not a corporation with very specific interests at odds with the common good, and 2) he wasn't paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for them.
If you don't consider a life of public service "successful in the real world," I wonder what you base your idea of success on.
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Everybody talks about sexism, but nobody mentions how deeply sexist Hillary Clinton is. Isnt a bit strange that everybody still calls her Secretary? Seriously, I mean what century is this? Just because shes a woman doesnt mean she has to be a secretary. Nobody calls Sanders a secretary. Wonder why...
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The term "Secretary" in regards to Mrs. Clinton has to do with her most recent job as Secretary of State - similar to how ex-presidents are still referred to as "President." Nothing sexist, just protocol. And nobody CAN call Sanders "Secretary" because he never held that high a post in government.
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Are you serious? Her last guv position was that of ........wait for it...................................SECRETARY OF STATE.....................
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Im just saying I dont know if thats the right message to be sending younger girls who might be watching. They dont have to be secretaries if they dont want to.
If Hillary is repeating "President Obama and I" more than ten times per hour, you know there is a primary coming up that will include a large segment of black voters...
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@Tom,
That might very well be true. And, it's good that citizens, including Black citizens, are voting. Some, for Bernie.
4-15-16@4:33 pm
That might very well be true. And, it's good that citizens, including Black citizens, are voting. Some, for Bernie.
4-15-16@4:33 pm
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The most important question facing the future of our country is very simple. Do you want a candidate who will unequivocally fight for the removal of $$ out of politics (Bernie) , or a candidate who might remove $$ out of politics (Hillary)? Since $$ in politics is destroying our country (except for the .1%) the answer is very simple: Bernie.
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I wonder how many of the pro-Sanders commenters here are members of the Democratic party, are independents or Republicans?
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Good point. And seeing as many of the comments use the same wording- talking points? - we have to wonder how many of them are paid by the Sanders' campaign.
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Indie voter here.
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Registered Dem since the 80s.
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Sanders has many new ideas and has revolutionized the political process. weather he gets the nomination or not he has added value to our country and has shown that there is still potential for individuals in America to rise above the establishments.
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He has really opened our eyes to a lot that was swept under the rug. Our country had lost its moral compass, thank goodness its stayed alive in Bernie.
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@Rishi,
Revolutionized and refreshed the process? Yes. Some ideas are new, or at least untried in this country, certainly. I agree with you. He has already made this country better, just as he's already made history. He's a mensch! : )
4-15-16@4:25 pm
Revolutionized and refreshed the process? Yes. Some ideas are new, or at least untried in this country, certainly. I agree with you. He has already made this country better, just as he's already made history. He's a mensch! : )
4-15-16@4:25 pm
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I repose here the two fundamental question I seek answers to without success to date:
Why is it that Republican Party operatives have not only not laid a finger on Sanders to date, they have paid for anti-Hillary ads to assist him?
Bernie is a real progressive but he has been out of the national limelight most of his career. Does he have what it takes to survive the firestorm that awaits him as a socialist, who will more likely be smeared as a godless communist, if he is nominated?
Why is it that Republican Party operatives have not only not laid a finger on Sanders to date, they have paid for anti-Hillary ads to assist him?
Bernie is a real progressive but he has been out of the national limelight most of his career. Does he have what it takes to survive the firestorm that awaits him as a socialist, who will more likely be smeared as a godless communist, if he is nominated?
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@jefflz,
I've just seen what might be the kind of ad you speak of. I've heard the theory. Republicans think Sanders would be easier than Hillary to be in the general election. Does he have what it takes? Bernie's smart and tough. He knew what he was getting into from the beginning, and the road he faces, not only if nominated but elected: Congress, SCOTUS, other world leaders. I'm going to give him a chance and not underestimate him.
By the same token, what if Hillary gets the nod?
4-15-16@4:22 pm
4-15-16@4:18 pm
I've just seen what might be the kind of ad you speak of. I've heard the theory. Republicans think Sanders would be easier than Hillary to be in the general election. Does he have what it takes? Bernie's smart and tough. He knew what he was getting into from the beginning, and the road he faces, not only if nominated but elected: Congress, SCOTUS, other world leaders. I'm going to give him a chance and not underestimate him.
By the same token, what if Hillary gets the nod?
4-15-16@4:22 pm
4-15-16@4:18 pm
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Bernie just needs to explain what Democratic Socialism means, and people will just love it.
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Once a Hillary supporter, the more I know about her, and the more I see, the less I like her.
As for the debate, Sanders destroyed her in every way.
She continues to be in denial, over her own flaws and failures, and her husband's.
As for her argument that Bernie can't get his programs implemented, the Clinton's have had there chances, and really, what have they achieved.
Not much.
As for the debate, Sanders destroyed her in every way.
She continues to be in denial, over her own flaws and failures, and her husband's.
As for her argument that Bernie can't get his programs implemented, the Clinton's have had there chances, and really, what have they achieved.
Not much.
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th ability to change ones mind is a sign of intelligence
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As an ex-New Yorker, I beg all New Yorkers to read CLNTON CASH, by Peter Schweizer, before voting. A book that is meticulously researched and scrupulously sourced, it analyzes the connections between Clinton's positions as Senator and Secretary of State and the extraordinary contributions of foreign citizens and governments to the Clinton Foundation. Schweizer raises serious and alarming questions of judgment, of possible indebtedness to an array of foreign interests, and ultimately of fitness for high public office. These issues are never raised in debates - but voters should be aware of them.
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Its too bad the South voted for Hilary.
And New York is about to make the same mistake.
Bernie is the right choice for the right reasons.
And New York is about to make the same mistake.
Bernie is the right choice for the right reasons.
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Unless Sanders' fanatics find a way to destroy free speech - like the "Black Lives Matter" bunch are trying to destroy others' rights to free speech - then we in NY are very happy to vote for Mrs. Clinton, the person we want to be our party's nominee. If Sanders' wants a party's backing, he better go found a party to do that backing - we are disgusted by him trying to hijack the Democrats' rule of process, and we want to keep the White House and win the Senate - something Sanders will never do.
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Perhaps you should let the entire state of NY know that you speak for all of them with the use of "we."
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Be careful what you wish for. If Bernie runs with Jill Stein for the Green Party, Hillary will lose.
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I am so tired of Clinton's stonewalling on those transcripts. It just reminds you of the 90's Clintons all over again and leaves a bad taste in my mouth. The FBI got someone to hack into that iPhone, can someone out there, please get a copy of these transcripts so we can see where Hillary really stands on this?
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And what I just can't get out of my mind is what it's going to be like if she's elected President. More Clinton Family Drama day after day after day? Though hopefully this time it would be for only 4 years rather than 8.
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I think common sense tells you that the transcripts reveal remarks that she and her advisers consider politically damaging, although we can't know to what degree. But she has a very good reason not to release them, although she failed miserably when she had an opportunity to explain it.
Donald Trump, from the beginning of his campaign, has refused to surrender leverage he might need to use against the RNC. In the first debate, he drew boos for not pledging to endorse the Republican nominee if he didn't win the nomination. His mantra "if they treat me fairly" has been a constant refrain. He won't take a third-party run off the table because he'd be surrendering leverage. If a concession might weaken him, he won't make it.
Hillary and her advisers must know that if she does release the transcripts, and the Republican candidates don't reciprocate with transcripts of their own brown-nosing of corporate suits, the Republican nominee, whoever that turns out to be, will hypocritically hammer her from the convention till election day with any embarrassing comments she made to the bankers, notwithstanding that virtually their entire party is a collection of corporate errand boys.
Does Bernie have the right to demand that she release the transcripts anyway? Sure. He's trying to beat her. But, if she wins the nomination, she'll have handed a bludgeon to the Republicans. Why she and her advisers felt she couldn't defend her decision by stating that fact, I couldn't say.
Donald Trump, from the beginning of his campaign, has refused to surrender leverage he might need to use against the RNC. In the first debate, he drew boos for not pledging to endorse the Republican nominee if he didn't win the nomination. His mantra "if they treat me fairly" has been a constant refrain. He won't take a third-party run off the table because he'd be surrendering leverage. If a concession might weaken him, he won't make it.
Hillary and her advisers must know that if she does release the transcripts, and the Republican candidates don't reciprocate with transcripts of their own brown-nosing of corporate suits, the Republican nominee, whoever that turns out to be, will hypocritically hammer her from the convention till election day with any embarrassing comments she made to the bankers, notwithstanding that virtually their entire party is a collection of corporate errand boys.
Does Bernie have the right to demand that she release the transcripts anyway? Sure. He's trying to beat her. But, if she wins the nomination, she'll have handed a bludgeon to the Republicans. Why she and her advisers felt she couldn't defend her decision by stating that fact, I couldn't say.
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Cliff, they'll release it from her server, when they indict her for her felonies as SOS.
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So inquiring minds want to know: did a single reader change his/her mind on who he/she would like to see as the Democratic nominee for President?
As an aside, the qualities needed to do the hard work of leading a country has no relationship whatsoever to the ability to deliver canned applause lines. Thinking in times of crisis is not a spectator sport. I doubt there was much need for audience participation when Roosevelt was digesting the news of the Pearl Harbor attack, when Lincoln read of South Carolina's secession, or when Kennedy decided to throw a naval blockade around Cuba during the 1962 missile crisis.
So send the crowds and the speechwriters who conjure throwaway lines for them home. This is not a game show. Have the candidate look into the TV monitor, and tell us why he/she is worthy of our vote. Let us digest their words for a few moments in silence. And spare us camera coverage of the non-speaking candidate eye-rolling or whatever. I don't care what they think about what the speaker is saying. They are, by definition, not a dispassionate observer. I can make my own decision without their input, thank you very much.
As an aside, the qualities needed to do the hard work of leading a country has no relationship whatsoever to the ability to deliver canned applause lines. Thinking in times of crisis is not a spectator sport. I doubt there was much need for audience participation when Roosevelt was digesting the news of the Pearl Harbor attack, when Lincoln read of South Carolina's secession, or when Kennedy decided to throw a naval blockade around Cuba during the 1962 missile crisis.
So send the crowds and the speechwriters who conjure throwaway lines for them home. This is not a game show. Have the candidate look into the TV monitor, and tell us why he/she is worthy of our vote. Let us digest their words for a few moments in silence. And spare us camera coverage of the non-speaking candidate eye-rolling or whatever. I don't care what they think about what the speaker is saying. They are, by definition, not a dispassionate observer. I can make my own decision without their input, thank you very much.
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@alexander hamilton,
Read Stan Chaz's comment on how the debates are handled and his suggestions for major improvements.
4-15-16@4:45 pm
Read Stan Chaz's comment on how the debates are handled and his suggestions for major improvements.
4-15-16@4:45 pm
Bernie Sanders would have the nominee already in his pocket, if he would have been well known right from the start. With each debate I move closer and closer toward Bernie Sanders, mainly because I am tired of the same old politics -as so many of us are.
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@Bri,
Closer and closer, but not there yet? You have reservations?
4-15-16@4:41 pm
Closer and closer, but not there yet? You have reservations?
4-15-16@4:41 pm
Hillary is the 90s and the more we analyze the 90s - Bill's horrible crime bill, mass incarceration, the stripping of welfare, passage of the bankruptcy bill that ended student loan discharge - nobody wants to go back there.
Even if Bernie isn't the nominee, he's dragged the Democratic Party kicking and screaming into the future. There won't be any more dull machine candidates like Hillary after this election.
Thank you Bernie!
Feelin' the Bern!
Even if Bernie isn't the nominee, he's dragged the Democratic Party kicking and screaming into the future. There won't be any more dull machine candidates like Hillary after this election.
Thank you Bernie!
Feelin' the Bern!
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Bernie voted for that crime bill, didn't you hear? And Hillary wasn't t in the senate at the time, so could not have voted for it. Over to you Bernie. Why did you vote for it?
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Um, did you watch the debate? He explained that thoroughly. As did Hillary explain her support for the bill.
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Status quo with very little change & lacking great vision for the future = Clinton
Leadership aimed at making real changes benefitting the majority without the influence of corporations = Sanders
The more I hear Hillary the less I like her. At first I didn't get why so many people found her distrustful or no likeable but the longer the race goes on the clearer that becomes.
Fortunately for her Sanders wasn't really introduced Nationally at the beginning of the race - he was a relative unknown & in NY she's also lucky Independents can't vote in Dem Primary.
NY - make the choice that is the best decision for the future - not the status quo.
Support Bernie Sanders.
Leadership aimed at making real changes benefitting the majority without the influence of corporations = Sanders
The more I hear Hillary the less I like her. At first I didn't get why so many people found her distrustful or no likeable but the longer the race goes on the clearer that becomes.
Fortunately for her Sanders wasn't really introduced Nationally at the beginning of the race - he was a relative unknown & in NY she's also lucky Independents can't vote in Dem Primary.
NY - make the choice that is the best decision for the future - not the status quo.
Support Bernie Sanders.
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Any wonder why Hillary Clinton has been called " The Queen of Chaos" ?
She is a shameless individual making her way to high office by obfuscating and immoral persona.
Only if Americans would wake up and reflect on what such people are doing to their lives , their future and the future of a once great nation built on sound ideals until pigs found the formula to put them to sleep.
She is a shameless individual making her way to high office by obfuscating and immoral persona.
Only if Americans would wake up and reflect on what such people are doing to their lives , their future and the future of a once great nation built on sound ideals until pigs found the formula to put them to sleep.
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When she wasn't prevaricating, Clinton was busy either throwing people under the bus (Obama on Wall street, Bill on the Crime Bill, Bernie on his "gun-running" state of Vermont) or seeking to garner approval by taking a firm stand on issues that were not in question – like Women's Rights – when the question at hand was Citizen's United and Supreme Court nominees.
Is it any wonder that well over half the people in the country think she's dishonest? Maybe she is unqualified to be President – in all the ways that matter.
Is it any wonder that well over half the people in the country think she's dishonest? Maybe she is unqualified to be President – in all the ways that matter.
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And she threw De Blasio under the bus earlier in the week!
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JJ, yes he did!
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I wonder how much Sanders quick trip to Rome is costing. If I was a contributor of his I would be very upset. I've heard of numbers as high as $400,000.
Also, where are his tax returns?
Also, where are his tax returns?
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He travels by economy class. That $400,000 is spread by whom?
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bernie has managed to amass a fortune of 500 thousand dollars in his poitcal career
clearly a sign of rampant corruption
clearly a sign of rampant corruption
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Sanders days of flying economy class are long gone. He now has a chartered jet at his disposal. Who pays for it? His supporters do. How else do you think he got a direct flight to Rome at midnight? I wish that Sanders supporters would be better informed about their own candidate.
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I am all for increased gun safety measures like universal background checks.
However I disagree that you can hold gun manufacturers liable for deaths caused with their guns.
Sanders is correct; Hillary is wrong and pandering.
As long as the gun functions properly and laws regarding sale of the guns are followed , I don't see how you can charge the gun manufacturer.
A car manufacturer should be liable for a manufacturing defect; the airbag problem, the ignition switch problem or the Pinto vulnerable to gas tank explosions in rear end collisions.
If a driver gets into an accident thru his error or a collision with another careless driver I don't think the car manufacturer should be liable.
Tobacco companies knew for years their product caused cancer and heart disease and suppressed that information.
I would support holding them liable.
However I disagree that you can hold gun manufacturers liable for deaths caused with their guns.
Sanders is correct; Hillary is wrong and pandering.
As long as the gun functions properly and laws regarding sale of the guns are followed , I don't see how you can charge the gun manufacturer.
A car manufacturer should be liable for a manufacturing defect; the airbag problem, the ignition switch problem or the Pinto vulnerable to gas tank explosions in rear end collisions.
If a driver gets into an accident thru his error or a collision with another careless driver I don't think the car manufacturer should be liable.
Tobacco companies knew for years their product caused cancer and heart disease and suppressed that information.
I would support holding them liable.
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The NRA is a promotional arm of the weapons industry funded by the weapons industry and masquerading as an independent advocacy group. They've spent a fortune on lobbyists fighting every common sense gun law that might cut into their bottom line, including the ban on assault weapons. Please don't compare them to the auto industry. Comparing them to the tobacco industry, you're on much firmer ground.
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I have no love for the NRA. Their blocking of gun safety measures has resulted in many unnecessary gun deaths.
But the NRA has nothing to do with the question of whether gun manufacturers should be held liable for gun deaths.
Ford knew its Pinto was vulnerable in rear end collisions. Ford calculated that it would cost Ford less to pay total compensation to all fatalities in rear end collisions than it would cost Ford to pay to fix all the gas tanks.
I am not comparing gun manufacturers to auto industry or the tobacco industry.
I am just trying to indicate when I think an industry should be held liable for its products.
But the NRA has nothing to do with the question of whether gun manufacturers should be held liable for gun deaths.
Ford knew its Pinto was vulnerable in rear end collisions. Ford calculated that it would cost Ford less to pay total compensation to all fatalities in rear end collisions than it would cost Ford to pay to fix all the gas tanks.
I am not comparing gun manufacturers to auto industry or the tobacco industry.
I am just trying to indicate when I think an industry should be held liable for its products.
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How come a person who was a utmost failure as a Foreign Secretary could claim to be a successful President? Hard to understand. Words do not put wind in your sails, actions do.
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After reading many blogs that were mostly viciously anti-Hillary, including many posters on the NYT, I decided to do some digging into her past which rightly or wrongly is held up as evidence that she is selfish, entitled, on the side of the 1%, dishonest, not trustworthy and whatever other slanderous name she has been called. If you really care for the truth I dare anyone to look at the information in the link below. Don’t just stay on Wikipedia – click on other reference links.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton
Am I mistaken in my support for her? I am appalled at the vicious name calling and repeated accusations because what I discovered was a person who from a very, very young age has been fighting for the rights of children, women, the under-served, healthcare and education here and throughout the world. I found things that I did not care for, but her overall performance/position as far as being for the people, caring about the people have been stellar and consistent – dare I say very progressive? All I can say is what an absolute woman of substance and strength. I am sickened by Sanders” Republican smear attacks and accusations and am certain so many who post here are simply repeating same talking points. I will be proud to welcome you Hillary to be the next President of the United States.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hillary_Clinton
Am I mistaken in my support for her? I am appalled at the vicious name calling and repeated accusations because what I discovered was a person who from a very, very young age has been fighting for the rights of children, women, the under-served, healthcare and education here and throughout the world. I found things that I did not care for, but her overall performance/position as far as being for the people, caring about the people have been stellar and consistent – dare I say very progressive? All I can say is what an absolute woman of substance and strength. I am sickened by Sanders” Republican smear attacks and accusations and am certain so many who post here are simply repeating same talking points. I will be proud to welcome you Hillary to be the next President of the United States.
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Rights of women and children, glad you mentioned that. She accepted, gladly, money from Arab countries, where you know women aren't allowed to drive and are thought of as property unless of course they are in the 1%. Perhaps it's those women you were talking about.
She is contemptible beyond belief, she's also power hungry and greedy to the bone, and that's the truth.
She is contemptible beyond belief, she's also power hungry and greedy to the bone, and that's the truth.
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It's important to note that Wikipedia can be edited by anyone. No doubt her campaign is on task to scrub any unfavorable content as soon as it appears.
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Elizabeth:
As a Victim of Domestic Violence w/ 2 young children, I filed for divorce in NY. Hillary was "Senator", went to Yale law w/ my "brother in law"
(Feb 2, 1995 - He replaced the largely inactive Stephen Oxman, a protege of First Lady Hillary Clinton Washington Post)
The Wikipedia link you put up is very upsetting/misleading.
Hillary might have "done" all of these things, and I heard her BRAGGING about VAWA. It made me ill. I reached out to her, to Sen. Schumer & Gillibrand (still reaching out to the last 2 - to NO AVAIL. Having been divorced on forged documents at trials where I was not present by lawyers I never hired, I think "Sen" Clinton did not have her eye on the ball here in NY, or she took a blind eye in cases where she had no problem w/ an illegal outcome, as in my case.
Justice for all cannot be words, only ACTION counts, especially when the welfare of children is at stake.
"Rodham began a year of postgraduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center. Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review late 1973. Discussing the new children's rights movement, it stated "child citizens" were "powerless individuals"and argued that children should not be considered equally incompetent from birth to attaining legal age, but that courts should presume competence except when there is evidence otherwise, on a case-by-case basis. The article became frequently cited in the field."
As a Victim of Domestic Violence w/ 2 young children, I filed for divorce in NY. Hillary was "Senator", went to Yale law w/ my "brother in law"
(Feb 2, 1995 - He replaced the largely inactive Stephen Oxman, a protege of First Lady Hillary Clinton Washington Post)
The Wikipedia link you put up is very upsetting/misleading.
Hillary might have "done" all of these things, and I heard her BRAGGING about VAWA. It made me ill. I reached out to her, to Sen. Schumer & Gillibrand (still reaching out to the last 2 - to NO AVAIL. Having been divorced on forged documents at trials where I was not present by lawyers I never hired, I think "Sen" Clinton did not have her eye on the ball here in NY, or she took a blind eye in cases where she had no problem w/ an illegal outcome, as in my case.
Justice for all cannot be words, only ACTION counts, especially when the welfare of children is at stake.
"Rodham began a year of postgraduate study on children and medicine at the Yale Child Study Center. Her first scholarly article, "Children Under the Law", was published in the Harvard Educational Review late 1973. Discussing the new children's rights movement, it stated "child citizens" were "powerless individuals"and argued that children should not be considered equally incompetent from birth to attaining legal age, but that courts should presume competence except when there is evidence otherwise, on a case-by-case basis. The article became frequently cited in the field."
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I wouldn’t call Hillary’s judgement good, effectively self-serving perhaps, but not good. Just from the fact that Hillary Clinton has profited financially more than any and every cause she has ever represented, tells us who Hillary is really looking out for. For instance on the issue of women’s rights, what kind of women’s rights leader complains that there are upwards of 80,000+ untested rape kits sitting in evidence lockers across the country, while she has made enough money from giving speeches about women’s rights in the bank to cover the cost of getting them tested?
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What kind of human rights and women's rights advocate gladly accepts donations from the United Arab Emirates while she was acting SoS?
Women can't even drive in those countries and she gladly accepts money from them. She is a liar and contemptible.
Women can't even drive in those countries and she gladly accepts money from them. She is a liar and contemptible.
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From PBS.org
"Hillary helped create the Department of Justice's Office on Violence Against Women in 1994, and during her travels to more than 80 countries she was a forceful advocate for women's rights. In 1995, during an unprecedented address in Beijing to the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women, Hillary recounted worldwide abuses and declared "It is time for us to say here in Beijing, and for the world to hear, that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights."
Should we stop dealing with China and other countries who violate human rights/women's rights? Please!
"Hillary helped create the Department of Justice's Office on Violence Against Women in 1994, and during her travels to more than 80 countries she was a forceful advocate for women's rights. In 1995, during an unprecedented address in Beijing to the United Nations Fourth World Conference on Women, Hillary recounted worldwide abuses and declared "It is time for us to say here in Beijing, and for the world to hear, that it is no longer acceptable to discuss women's rights as separate from human rights."
Should we stop dealing with China and other countries who violate human rights/women's rights? Please!
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And the practical outcome was what, exactly? Be specific. Although I'm sure all the attendees nodded and clapped and went home smugly patting themselves on the back. But that doesn't count.
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Since I can't find this anywhere on the NYT site, including the article on Sanders's visit to the Vatican conference, which doesn't take comments, here's what the man had to say: https://berniesanders.com/urgency-moral-economy-reflections-anniversary-...
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Doug, the media blackout is still a reality. Bernie has to be loud to be heard by a tone deaf media, and then he is accused of shouting.
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Leaving aside the question of whether releasing the Goldman Sachs speeches is the morally right thing to do (of course it is), I'm stunned by how poor a tactical choice HRC is making here. Obviously, the cries to release them will only get louder and louder and she'll eventually have to (or they'll be leaked.) Then there will be much more bad publicity. Had she released them months ago all this would be forgotten now. Instead she's turned it into an opposition talking point. Again and again, I'm disturbed by how HRC snatches defeat from the jaws of victory. She just plain doesn't seem to have good sense--not a trait you want in a president. Again and again and again, she makes the wrong decision, from NAFTA and Iraq and Libya, to that stupid email server. She's only recently, hurriedly, abandoned more mistaken positions, i.e. fracking, TPP, insisting that a 12 minimum wage is the best that can be expected. She has no track record of successes and a heavy list of disturbing failures. And then there is the ties to Wall Street and Super Pacs, her hedge fund son in law, and the personally irritating mannerisms that make her disliked by more than fifty percent of the populace. Has the Democratic National Committee lost their mind? Why, exactly, is this the candidate they are pushing?
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It's as if she knows the public wouldn't look kindly on what is in the transcripts given that the call to regulate Wall Street more effectively is so strong.
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The Wall Street speeches could be her Achilles Heel. The FBI may just have them if they were on the home server. But we will not know for who knows how long, which is what she is betting on, I think, maybe. In any case the Wall Street speeches have become an odious affair.
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Not to mention the fact that in all her years as an alleged New Yorker she has evidently not learned how to use the subway. Seeing her feeble attempts on TV I could only think of a tourist who just arrived in town -- delicately swiping the card, fearful of doing it the correct vigorous way out of some fear that it would jump up and bite off her nose or something if she did it like a real New Yorker.
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To all the Sanders spammers - your over zealous attempts to destroy the Democratic candidate have completely backfired. Your planned behaviors, which amount to online bullying, have managed to make me completely aware of what kind of a dishonest campaign he runs. You’ve turned me completely off to Sanders.
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"To all the Sanders spammers - your over zealous attempts to destroy the Democratic candidate have completely backfired."
There are two Democratic candidates. But thanks for the reminder, once again, that Clinton was "chosen" as the Democratic candidate by the powers that be long ago.
There are two Democratic candidates. But thanks for the reminder, once again, that Clinton was "chosen" as the Democratic candidate by the powers that be long ago.
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@ PS, as if you were ever for him. The reason we are all angry at your candidate is because she from the old school of politics, back door deals and part of the establishment that is broken. She deflects any and all criticism thrown at her, never answers a question fully and blames others for her misfortunes. We are sick and tired of how politics is funded, we are tired of the status quo, she more than any other candidate brings out the worst in us because of her shenanigans all of these years We are tired of the stagnation and she not the person to fix things, she will continue to keep things the way they are. So please spare us your phony indignation, you were never going to vote for him anyway.
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Well, seeing as Massachusetts has already had their primary, your ranting is, for the moment, entirely irrelevant.
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When November comes along, the NYT will be able to pride itself on endorsing and constantly lauding and supporting a candidate for president who will lead us into more and more violence, subterfuge, weaponry, and war, a certified and unapologetic hawk -- at a time when it becomes absolutely essential for the U. S. to find ways to co-exist with Russia and the countries of the MiddleEast. Clinton has our doom as a human race written all over her.
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Calm down Martha-! Clinton is smarter than you think.
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A few years ago liberal was the dirty word. Now it's pragmatist. But idealistic liberals drive change via pragmatism. Only cynics (and vulnerable innocents) call that cynicism. Sanders: heads must roll, people must be jailed, people must pay! Who? MILLIONAIRES AND BILLIONAIRES! All of them? The BAD ones! Who are they - and what's first, payment or jail time (earnings are limited in stir)? Sanders, with his slogans, names old, borrowed ideas. His list of promises would embarrass Huey Long: universal health care, climate change reversal, free college, overhauled justice system, rebuilt infrastructure, jail time for "millionaires and billionaires" -- while they're funding it all. Congress is mired in political civil war? So what? Big banks? We don't need their money! Hillary TALKS to them? Not Bernie - talking to Big Money would be like talking to Iran! As his wise Republican colleagues warned us, that was an AWFUL idea! Those Clinton/Obama/Kerry negotiations were corrupt! And banks PAID her to talk! If she HAD to talk she should have done it gratis and only charged NICE corporations. And the transcripts; the things she must have said! It's time to see 'em! Let's also see transcripts of those Iran talks - the private ones that closed the deal. Also Bernie's talks with the gun lobbiests. Fellow liberals and progressives: real leaders work with what's in front of them, not what SHOULD be. Let us join together to keep Sanders in the Senate, because heaven help us if he's elected.
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Last time I checked there was a Republican Congress and a Republican Senate. Sanders has a great message, but after all these yeas in the Senate there must be a reason that he has the support of only one of his Senate colleagues. Sanders and his supporters need to address reality. It takes more than a message to be President. Where's the beef?
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When President Kennedy set a goal to send men to the moon within a decade, we could have said "it takes more than a message to be President. Where's the beef?"
Within the decade, we had the beef.
There is no reason to be "pragmatic" and "realistic" in the face of a system that is rigged of, by, and for the rich.
That is a reason to be bold and persistent.
Of course Republicans will fight it. They are essentially a business. If it doesn't make them money, they aren't interested.
If Hillary is elected she may not rock the boat, but they will fight her as well.
Within the decade, we had the beef.
There is no reason to be "pragmatic" and "realistic" in the face of a system that is rigged of, by, and for the rich.
That is a reason to be bold and persistent.
Of course Republicans will fight it. They are essentially a business. If it doesn't make them money, they aren't interested.
If Hillary is elected she may not rock the boat, but they will fight her as well.
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But when the general election starts, and the Republicans start dishing the dirt on Bernie, so you think there's even a slim chance he will survive 4 months of the Republican barrage? Hillary has survived 25 years of it, and except for Republicans and Berniebots who spew the discredited accusations, nobody is buying it.
Bernie won't get close enough to the boat to get a chance to rock it. And when Trump and Cruz start dismantling the limited social safety net the US has now, the Berniebots had better be ready to step up and take credit for making it happen.
Bernie won't get close enough to the boat to get a chance to rock it. And when Trump and Cruz start dismantling the limited social safety net the US has now, the Berniebots had better be ready to step up and take credit for making it happen.
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Actually Hillary never lived in New York, New York City that is. She went straight from the White House to her $1.7 million house in Chappaqua, NY. A modest affair with 5,232 square feet, five bedrooms and four baths, 1.1 acres and a pool. Not exactly walking distance to Wall Street. The financing was a bit unusual, considering the Clintons were "flat broke" but not unheard of thank to help from now Virginia Governor Terry McAuliffle. New York City may have been out of their reach given scandal shy New York coops. Richard Nixon was not found to be acceptable, remember that? Hillary would never have been considered a New Yorker since she moved here after age 50. That is a transplant.
At about the same time also purchased a $2.85 million house in Washington DC. Just a modest affair with seven and a half bathroom and yes, another pool. Must be nice to be broke! They did manage to come up with over $800,000.00 for the down payment. Hey, I read this all in the New York Times!
At about the same time also purchased a $2.85 million house in Washington DC. Just a modest affair with seven and a half bathroom and yes, another pool. Must be nice to be broke! They did manage to come up with over $800,000.00 for the down payment. Hey, I read this all in the New York Times!
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Hillary offers to release the transcript of her speeches to
Goldman Sachs if the other candidates release theirs.
Who? Sanders gave no speeches to Goldman Sachs.
Trump certainly did not go with a tin cup to ask Goldman to pay him for a speech.
Cruz was prohibited from Senate rules from taking a fee to speak.
Kasich worked for Lehman Brothers making it very unlikely that
he was paid by Goldman for his advice.
As Governor, I suspect that Kasich could not take fees.
There is no one left.
Hillary is out of excuses.
Release the transcripts.
Rey Olsen
Goldman Sachs if the other candidates release theirs.
Who? Sanders gave no speeches to Goldman Sachs.
Trump certainly did not go with a tin cup to ask Goldman to pay him for a speech.
Cruz was prohibited from Senate rules from taking a fee to speak.
Kasich worked for Lehman Brothers making it very unlikely that
he was paid by Goldman for his advice.
As Governor, I suspect that Kasich could not take fees.
There is no one left.
Hillary is out of excuses.
Release the transcripts.
Rey Olsen
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It's what she does, it's called deflection and she has perfected it.
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If there are no excuses for failure to release materials, please tell me where I can read Bernie Sanders' tax returns. I can't find them anywhere and he keeps promising to release them at some point in the future.
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If you read the article, you'll see he said he'll release them on Friday (today).
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I was so proud of Bernie in that debate. He was confident, articulate and passionate. To see a Jewish man stand up and confidently speak about ideas of peace in the region as he did brought me to tears!
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This article is should be in the editorial section. The thesis of the oped is this: "Bernie Sanders is a angry savage trying to humiliate Hilary. Hilary is a steely confident hero who stood firm and only responded to unfair attacks." I personally think this thesis is awful. I am a former Army Ranger, I know what steely confidence is and Hilary did not have it. She came across to me as reasonable but tense and obsessed with her own accomplishments. In the Army she would be shunned for this. Moreover, how could they know Bernie was trying to humiliate her? I have seen people try to humiliate others. Saying that the next president of America should not be so closely linked to wall street is very different than humiliating them.
All I ask for is honesty NYTimes. Please move this article to the opinion pages.
All I ask for is honesty NYTimes. Please move this article to the opinion pages.
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If somebody spent the l;sat couple weeks thing to tell everybody you were not qualified, (based on a hissy fit over aheadline that did not reflect actual facts) would you not go to the people and explain what you had done to deserve to be considered qualified. You yourself thought it relevant to tell us that you were an Army Ranger.
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Clinton's history and hawkish views-reaffirmed at the debate--should give careful voters serious concern.
Clinton explains her Iraq vote because Bush “rushed to war” and "refused to let the UN inspectors" to complete their mission.” But she voted against the Levin amendment that would have required Bush to allow more time for weapons inspectors and to obtain separate Congressional authorization to invade Iraq. But reporter Carl Bernstein and others have pointed out that her opposition to the Levin Amendment shows the absence of sound judgment. Was this sound judgment or a trigger happy politician that does not understand the true consequences of war ?
One legislator, who worked with Clinton for years, noted that there “hasn’t been a military engagement that Hillary has not been for in the past 20 years.” She pushed to topple Assad and arm the opposition, a program that ended up supplying weapons to the Islamic State. Even Gates, the former CIA Director, criticized Clinton's strong support for Libya regime change which produced another disaster. Now she continues to support a “no fly zone” in Syria--Obama and the Joint Chiefs rejected as too dangerous and possibly requiring 70,000 ground troops to enforce.
Trump has stated he has “not even begun on Hillary yet” but has already indicated he will challenge her hawkish positions.
This country (and the world) cannot afford Clinton or another saber rattler in the White House
Clinton explains her Iraq vote because Bush “rushed to war” and "refused to let the UN inspectors" to complete their mission.” But she voted against the Levin amendment that would have required Bush to allow more time for weapons inspectors and to obtain separate Congressional authorization to invade Iraq. But reporter Carl Bernstein and others have pointed out that her opposition to the Levin Amendment shows the absence of sound judgment. Was this sound judgment or a trigger happy politician that does not understand the true consequences of war ?
One legislator, who worked with Clinton for years, noted that there “hasn’t been a military engagement that Hillary has not been for in the past 20 years.” She pushed to topple Assad and arm the opposition, a program that ended up supplying weapons to the Islamic State. Even Gates, the former CIA Director, criticized Clinton's strong support for Libya regime change which produced another disaster. Now she continues to support a “no fly zone” in Syria--Obama and the Joint Chiefs rejected as too dangerous and possibly requiring 70,000 ground troops to enforce.
Trump has stated he has “not even begun on Hillary yet” but has already indicated he will challenge her hawkish positions.
This country (and the world) cannot afford Clinton or another saber rattler in the White House
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Sandy Hook was a terrible tragedy and it reflects on America's self-destructive gun culture. It is shameful to watch how Hillary Clinton is trying to exploit people's emotional trauma resulting from Sandy Hook Massacre. Does it make any sense to sue the gun sellers for legally selling legal products (gun) to legal buyers? Why not just pass a law to ban gun sale instead? I don't mind that personally. It is Bernie Sanders who pushed for ban on assault weapons long before such ban was popular. In 2008, to get pro-gun votes, Hillary proclaimed herself as "Pro-gun Churchgoer" (NYT reported) and she was even hitting Obama for not being pro-gun enough. Now in 2016, she is suddenly the champion of the anti-gun crusade.
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You missed the point completely. Sanders' needs the NRA to hold onto his Vermont Senate seat - funny how he cannot reveal why he was never qualified to run for a NY seat. Sanders is the one who insulted the families of the victims of Sandy Hook. Ignoring reality is the Sanders' way - and we won't fall for it.
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He laughed!! You Berniebots think he is such a saint and he laughed! What is wrong with you people if you cannot see that was a totally disgusting action? Does Hillary laugh when Bernie accuses her of killing over 4,000 people due to her declaration of war against Iraq (at least that's what it seems like when Bernie tells it. Bush apparently had nothing to do with it)
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I can't think of a more inappropriate choice as president of the United States than Bernie Sanders. A candidate who says that "American corporations are trying to destroy the lives of working Americans." should be dismissed as unqualified to lead this nations.
No doubt we could do a better job of regulating our corporations, but to blame corporations for our social and economic ills is simply disingenuous. We need a president who is capable of stimulating the economy & who will help American companies be more competitive in the global landscape. We don't need a president that villifies corporations.
Much as Lula & Dilma have done in Brasil, the Kirchners in Argentina, Correa in Ecuador, Chavez & Mduro in Venezuela and Evo in Boliva, Bernie Sanders represents a real threat to the economic well-being of the United states.
Sanders would have us opt out of the Trans Pacific Trade Pact at a time when we need it to remain competitive in the global economy. Sanders blames the international trade pacts for job losses when they have been a huge boon to the US economy over the past 2 decades. Nearly half of the manufactoring job losses are due to new technologies. The US is a huge beneficiary of the lower manufactoring costs. But we need to be part of TPP to capitalize on our intellectual properties & the innovations our country is creating.
Bernie is pandering to the disenfranchised but what they may not realize is that Bernie's brand of government will be trerribly destructive.
No doubt we could do a better job of regulating our corporations, but to blame corporations for our social and economic ills is simply disingenuous. We need a president who is capable of stimulating the economy & who will help American companies be more competitive in the global landscape. We don't need a president that villifies corporations.
Much as Lula & Dilma have done in Brasil, the Kirchners in Argentina, Correa in Ecuador, Chavez & Mduro in Venezuela and Evo in Boliva, Bernie Sanders represents a real threat to the economic well-being of the United states.
Sanders would have us opt out of the Trans Pacific Trade Pact at a time when we need it to remain competitive in the global economy. Sanders blames the international trade pacts for job losses when they have been a huge boon to the US economy over the past 2 decades. Nearly half of the manufactoring job losses are due to new technologies. The US is a huge beneficiary of the lower manufactoring costs. But we need to be part of TPP to capitalize on our intellectual properties & the innovations our country is creating.
Bernie is pandering to the disenfranchised but what they may not realize is that Bernie's brand of government will be trerribly destructive.
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What's important is that Bernie and Hillary are debating. It's vital to nominate the stronger of the two to run again the Republican nominee. For the voters in the upcoming primaries to decide who is the better candidate, there should be many more debates.
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She really packed a punch on the NRA question. Bernie playing to his gun control peeps his "oft told" story about about loosing in 1988 for not supporting the NRA; then he changed his votes, won every election after because he softened his stance. He showed his lack of comprehension, he laughed on the topic of gun control, "It's not a laughing matter...Hill says,..90 people on average a day are killed or commit suicide or die in accidents from guns, 33,000 people a year."
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Bernie's dismissive laugh when Hillary started talking about guns and gun violence was truly a disgusting moment. Was he being dismissive of some woman talking against something he believes in, or just doesn't care how many people die from guns in the US as long as some Vermont gun makers and traders get to make some money.
Go to that point and watch Bernie laughing all you Berniebots and tell me that is the way a saint reacts to gun violence.
Go to that point and watch Bernie laughing all you Berniebots and tell me that is the way a saint reacts to gun violence.
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He was being dismissive of her assertion that he is somehow responsible for the gun violence.
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Perhaps in an ordinary time with a Republican candidate having voter appeal beyond the rather narrow range that both Trump (or) Cruz's bases represent it would in fact be unlikely that someone as radically progressive as Bernie Sanders could be elected. And yet! somehow, in this cycle, polls consistently show Sanders beating both and doing so more successfully than Mrs. Clinton.
That's one thing.
Another common objection to Sanders seems to be that a Sanders' presidency would face the same obdurate obstructionism that has been such a blockade to President Obama. However, many of us now agree that Obama spent far too much time, effort, and capital trying to 'reach across the aisle' to a Republican House and Senate dominated by zero-sum radical tea party politics and 'tactics'. Sanders would therefore enter office with no such illusions about the loyal opposition. And perhaps he didn't say it loudly enough during the debate(s) but in regards to that obduracy, which HRC would certainly also face, Sanders has stated that he would not hesitate to resort to executive action to get things done, a la Teddy Roosevelt (and going back a little further) Andrew Jackson. Meanwhile Mrs. Clinton argues that she will get more done by attempting less.
Finally, I will add that I was startled nearly to tears by Bernie's statements last night concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That alone would have won my vote.
That's one thing.
Another common objection to Sanders seems to be that a Sanders' presidency would face the same obdurate obstructionism that has been such a blockade to President Obama. However, many of us now agree that Obama spent far too much time, effort, and capital trying to 'reach across the aisle' to a Republican House and Senate dominated by zero-sum radical tea party politics and 'tactics'. Sanders would therefore enter office with no such illusions about the loyal opposition. And perhaps he didn't say it loudly enough during the debate(s) but in regards to that obduracy, which HRC would certainly also face, Sanders has stated that he would not hesitate to resort to executive action to get things done, a la Teddy Roosevelt (and going back a little further) Andrew Jackson. Meanwhile Mrs. Clinton argues that she will get more done by attempting less.
Finally, I will add that I was startled nearly to tears by Bernie's statements last night concerning the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That alone would have won my vote.
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The Clinton administration signed the Commodity Futures Moderization Act of 2000 into law. This act resulted in the Enron scandal and Credit Default Swaps being unregulated the second of which nearly put us into a great depression. It also resulted in one of the largest transfers of wealth from the public treasury to private corporations in the history of the world. Bailing out Wall Street when the market is at its bottom is a gift from heaven. Yes they were able to repay their loans but who could't at that point of time if they were infused with cash. It is an outrage that Ms. Clinton continues to take money from Wall Street unabashedly and brazenly. The time has come for New York to put the Wall Street minion out of business. The argument is she will be able to accomplish things and Mr. Sanders will not. How will she be able to accomplish anything with a Congress that will be calling for her impeachment, and they will. The Clintons are no friends of the Republican Party and it is ridiculous to believe they will work with her. At least electing Mr. Sanders will send a message.
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This was indeed the worst thing Bill Clinton ever did. A horrible piece of legislation.
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Repeal of Glass-Steagell, did not listen to Brooksley Born, and the final bill he signed made credit default swaps unregulated.
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Hmm, don't see Hillary's name on that one. If the candidates are to be found responsible for the actions of their spouses, maybe Jane can explain why she was on a commission (that was supported by her husband) that wanted to dump Vermont's nuclear waste next to a Hispaic community in Texas. Guess it was OK, they were just Hispanics, not your white college students.
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Senator Bernie Sanders, seizing on potential vulnerabilities for Hillary Clinton in the coming New York primary, repeatedly savaged her ties to wealthy donors and Wall Street banks during their debate on Thursday night, delivering a ferocious performance that Mrs. Clinton countered with steely confidence and her own sharp elbows.
What is this personal opinion column doing on the front page as if it were a news column?
"Mrs. Clinton has remained a polished and nimble performer throughout the debate season"
Exactly what we do not need for a President. We are done with performers of this office. we need a president who is not a performer, but a real person with a real heart that give real courage to do what Hillary says can't be done. I have to agree with her on that point, these very significant issues would not even get started by her performance.
What is this personal opinion column doing on the front page as if it were a news column?
"Mrs. Clinton has remained a polished and nimble performer throughout the debate season"
Exactly what we do not need for a President. We are done with performers of this office. we need a president who is not a performer, but a real person with a real heart that give real courage to do what Hillary says can't be done. I have to agree with her on that point, these very significant issues would not even get started by her performance.
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Just taking note that the NYT picks here are skewed toward Sanders. Since some people read them (even instead of the article), sends an imbalanced message.
Let’s not forget the Sanders’ crowd is under orders to assail this site with anti-Clinton comments. Just want them to know I move further from him every day, just because of his campaign. I’ve almost gotten to the point where I can’t stand him. I agree with the poster who says he doesn’t really seem that smart. Not smart and snarly and one (nasty) message. And that’s the Messiah?
Let’s not forget the Sanders’ crowd is under orders to assail this site with anti-Clinton comments. Just want them to know I move further from him every day, just because of his campaign. I’ve almost gotten to the point where I can’t stand him. I agree with the poster who says he doesn’t really seem that smart. Not smart and snarly and one (nasty) message. And that’s the Messiah?
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Under orders from who? I get the Bernie campaign emails and have not been ordered to do anything, here or anywhere else.
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Same here. No one's giving us orders.
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Been on his mailing list for can't tell you how long its been never been asked to do anything untoward. Paranoid much?
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How secret can these speeches be? Someone must have listened to them, right? I love Hillary, but could she have said something as demeaning as the 47% statement made by Romney? Hopefully she is not as dumb...and callous as that.
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The NYTimes reporters write:
In New York, where candidates traditionally compete with one another to align themselves with Israel’s interests, it was startling to see a major Democratic candidate, Mr. Sanders, unapologetically challenge the actions of the Israeli government and call for evenhanded treatment of Palestinians.
“If we are ever going to bring peace to that region,” Mr. Sanders said, “we are going to have to treat the Palestinian people with respect and dignity.” He added, “That does not make me anti-Israel.”
This is one of the primary reasons that I support Bernie Sanders for President.
In New York, where candidates traditionally compete with one another to align themselves with Israel’s interests, it was startling to see a major Democratic candidate, Mr. Sanders, unapologetically challenge the actions of the Israeli government and call for evenhanded treatment of Palestinians.
“If we are ever going to bring peace to that region,” Mr. Sanders said, “we are going to have to treat the Palestinian people with respect and dignity.” He added, “That does not make me anti-Israel.”
This is one of the primary reasons that I support Bernie Sanders for President.
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Sanders' comments supportive of Palestinians against Israel are crazier than anything Trump has said/done.
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Did you actually watch the debate?
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I was very moved by that part of the debate. I agree with Sanders, and thought he was candid in a way 99% of politicians fear to be candid in New YorkCity.
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I lived in Port Washington, New York in 2006-7 then moved to Westhampton Beach, New York and had a wonderful summer in 2008.
While I was in New York I applied for and received my New York professional nursing license which is beautiful framed on my wall. It is a very proud accomplishment for me to have been granted that license.
Now I am living in Los Angeles and am a proud Sanders supporter.
PLEASE fellow New York Democrats! Give our nation a Sanders miracle this Tuesday and deliver a convincing "NO THANK YOU!" to Hillary Clinton!
While I was in New York I applied for and received my New York professional nursing license which is beautiful framed on my wall. It is a very proud accomplishment for me to have been granted that license.
Now I am living in Los Angeles and am a proud Sanders supporter.
PLEASE fellow New York Democrats! Give our nation a Sanders miracle this Tuesday and deliver a convincing "NO THANK YOU!" to Hillary Clinton!
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Hillary Clinton noted she has more Delegates and Super Delegates—the old time establishment members who can override the votes of the people. Hilary seems to be a prime member of an anachronistic group.
Bernie Sanders has won the last 8 or 9 primaries and caucuses. In Vermont for example he received 86.1% of the vote, Hilary received 13.6% of the vote. but, guess what-- most of the delegates went to Hilary! Does that sound right? Where is democracy?
The delegate and super delegate power play/attitude is no longer appreciated, needed or wanted. Bernie, by contrast, has vision, integrity and momentum. He is the only candidate who deserves to be President.
Bernie Sanders has won the last 8 or 9 primaries and caucuses. In Vermont for example he received 86.1% of the vote, Hilary received 13.6% of the vote. but, guess what-- most of the delegates went to Hilary! Does that sound right? Where is democracy?
The delegate and super delegate power play/attitude is no longer appreciated, needed or wanted. Bernie, by contrast, has vision, integrity and momentum. He is the only candidate who deserves to be President.
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Bill Clinton is a super delegate.
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Bernie Sanders is a super delegate - what is the next excuse?
If other super delegates are corrupt then so is Bernie.
If other super delegates are corrupt then so is Bernie.
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How did this article not go into Sanders' debacle of a response to guns? He got pulverized on that issue. It's very odd and hypocritical that his supporters don't hold him accountable for that issue. Far more Americans die as a result of domestic gun violence every year than the total amount of soldiers who died bravely in Iraq. And while that was an awful war and I'm not defending anyone who supported it, it was not nearly as bad as Vietnam (either as far as US deaths or rational motives for being there as Vietnam was solely domino theory b/c we were supporting a bad leader in Vietnam, which was no longer the case in Iraq (though Reagan and co. did previously support Saddam).
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Wolf Blitzer just asked Debbie Wasserman Schultz if she knew of complaints that the nomination process has been rigged for Hillary and her reply was "No, not really. I mean a few, here and there."
A bigger liar than Hillary!
A bigger liar than Hillary!
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DW-S worked with Bill, so much for fairness within the DNC.
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Listen, I'm one of those dying breads. A moderate Democrat. I could go either way with Clinton and Sanders but, after last night, I'm leaning towards Clinton.
Bernie's scoffing, eye rolls, mocking and just nasty anger was a huge turn off. He is the change agent, the one that has inspired throughout.
If I wanted angry white male, I would vote for Trump.
Bernie's scoffing, eye rolls, mocking and just nasty anger was a huge turn off. He is the change agent, the one that has inspired throughout.
If I wanted angry white male, I would vote for Trump.
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Focus on the policies and track records. See who can trust.
Don't get caught up with slickness: who dressed better and seems more polished. This is not a fashion show. Your choice will impact your lives.
Don't get caught up with slickness: who dressed better and seems more polished. This is not a fashion show. Your choice will impact your lives.
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Most significant difference between the Democratic candidates: Hillary is divisive; Bernie is a uniter.
Hillary supporters think casting their vote for her fulfills their civic duty while ensuring more of the same old, same old. She will take her instructions from Wall Street without regard to public welfare.
Bernie supporters know that casting their vote for him is only the first small step on the road to big change for the better. There will be alot of work ahead. He will be taking his instructions from the people.
The only reason the majority of voters support Clinton is because she is female. It can't be because they approve her track record of lies and evasion nor could they be supporting her paucity of achievement in spite of being in positions of power to do some good. Her supporters couldn't be tacitly applauding her divisiveness along racial and gender lines. Could they?
Bernie is the more inspirational candidate, and better qualified based on his long and genuine track record of public service. Unfortunately he appears to have been behind the curve in planning to run for president this cycle and it is costing him in Super delegates. What a racket!
Hillary supporters think casting their vote for her fulfills their civic duty while ensuring more of the same old, same old. She will take her instructions from Wall Street without regard to public welfare.
Bernie supporters know that casting their vote for him is only the first small step on the road to big change for the better. There will be alot of work ahead. He will be taking his instructions from the people.
The only reason the majority of voters support Clinton is because she is female. It can't be because they approve her track record of lies and evasion nor could they be supporting her paucity of achievement in spite of being in positions of power to do some good. Her supporters couldn't be tacitly applauding her divisiveness along racial and gender lines. Could they?
Bernie is the more inspirational candidate, and better qualified based on his long and genuine track record of public service. Unfortunately he appears to have been behind the curve in planning to run for president this cycle and it is costing him in Super delegates. What a racket!
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Peter -- What a bunch of malarkey. Inspirational? Give me a break. He’s destructive. And he’ll be taking his instructions from the people? You can’t really be that naive, can you?????????
Bernie, who is not even a Democrat, has single-handley divided the Democratic party, who was in a great position to build upon the last eight years. He has destroyed that momentum, and has instead tried to take the electorate with him, back to the 60s or 70s when he played with getting arrested at protests. He’s a fake, it’s his last hurrah, and he’s not anywhere near as great as his followers chant him to be.
I don’t support Clinton because she is a woman. I support her because she has earned the job, has the qualifications, has the experience, has the intellect, has the presence of mind to not make false promises, looks reality squarely in the face and decides to move on based on the actual data and people in front of her. I don’t care about her marriage or her money or her body (though on that note she is healthier than Sanders); I can about her collective skills that make her the most qualified person on the stage.
Bernie, who is not even a Democrat, has single-handley divided the Democratic party, who was in a great position to build upon the last eight years. He has destroyed that momentum, and has instead tried to take the electorate with him, back to the 60s or 70s when he played with getting arrested at protests. He’s a fake, it’s his last hurrah, and he’s not anywhere near as great as his followers chant him to be.
I don’t support Clinton because she is a woman. I support her because she has earned the job, has the qualifications, has the experience, has the intellect, has the presence of mind to not make false promises, looks reality squarely in the face and decides to move on based on the actual data and people in front of her. I don’t care about her marriage or her money or her body (though on that note she is healthier than Sanders); I can about her collective skills that make her the most qualified person on the stage.
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"Bernie is the more inspirational candidate".....Where is his list of accomplishments? Where is his resume? Why does he only have the support of one of his Senate colleagues. How can he possibly be an effective President if he can't even get the support of his Senate peers?
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Preserving the status quo and knowing how to "act" like the Presidents of the last hundred or so years are not the best of qualifications. It's all a charade.
We need a government that serves all Americans. The Republicans generally serve the 1%, the establishment Democrats serve mostly the top 10%, but are willing to debate on helping more than that.
Change is needed.
In many countries, there are a few at the top to have the concentration of wealth. The United States is one of these countries. It is the product of corruption.
The job of government is to serve all of the people not just the section that we happen to be in.
I would definitely prefer Hillary to anyone on the other side of the aisle. They have no interest in the country or that the vast majority of the people. They are there to make a buck.
We need a government that serves all Americans. The Republicans generally serve the 1%, the establishment Democrats serve mostly the top 10%, but are willing to debate on helping more than that.
Change is needed.
In many countries, there are a few at the top to have the concentration of wealth. The United States is one of these countries. It is the product of corruption.
The job of government is to serve all of the people not just the section that we happen to be in.
I would definitely prefer Hillary to anyone on the other side of the aisle. They have no interest in the country or that the vast majority of the people. They are there to make a buck.
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Clinton has basked in the seat of power for well over three decades - including the White House, Senate, and State Dept...
But what has she ever accomplished besides invading the wrong country based on lies, supporting trade agreements that destroyed the American Middle Class, supported a Big Credit Card Banking Industry authored bill that made it harder for average people to file bankruptcy, and built a personal fortune off of Wall Street bribes disguised as "speeches" which she has classified "Top Secret"...?
But what has she ever accomplished besides invading the wrong country based on lies, supporting trade agreements that destroyed the American Middle Class, supported a Big Credit Card Banking Industry authored bill that made it harder for average people to file bankruptcy, and built a personal fortune off of Wall Street bribes disguised as "speeches" which she has classified "Top Secret"...?
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It's too bad she didn't guard the nation's "actual" secrets as closely as she does her speeches.
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Martin Luther King warned about gradualism and incrementalism when so many are suffering daily.
The fierce urgency of now in an economy and society of soaring inequality demands new social democratic policies since Freedom from Want was one of FDR's four freedoms, the essential war aims.
And if President Sanders cannot implement them through a bought Congress, he can surely propose them and propose them incessantly, using the bully pulpit far more than Obama has done.
FDR dreamt big incurring the hate of the elites, saying "I welcome their hate."
End child poverty. End child poverty NOW. Every other wealthy democracy does far better in fighting this ultimate obscenity of children being destroyed in the midst of glaring wealth.
By the way, if Hillary's speeches to Goldman Sachs were non-contentious wouldn't she release the transcripts? Her refusal to do so raises legitmate questions about whether she is talking out of both sides of her well-paid mouth.
The fierce urgency of now in an economy and society of soaring inequality demands new social democratic policies since Freedom from Want was one of FDR's four freedoms, the essential war aims.
And if President Sanders cannot implement them through a bought Congress, he can surely propose them and propose them incessantly, using the bully pulpit far more than Obama has done.
FDR dreamt big incurring the hate of the elites, saying "I welcome their hate."
End child poverty. End child poverty NOW. Every other wealthy democracy does far better in fighting this ultimate obscenity of children being destroyed in the midst of glaring wealth.
By the way, if Hillary's speeches to Goldman Sachs were non-contentious wouldn't she release the transcripts? Her refusal to do so raises legitmate questions about whether she is talking out of both sides of her well-paid mouth.
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Time for a reality check. A political revolution does not depend on a single candidate and requires more than a single election cycle. Sanders has a great message, but there is no there, there.
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What there is there is millions of people very energized by him and I can only assume willing to join him in the fight to get his proposals enacted in Congress.
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I think Hillary Clinton has a big possibility to win presidential election. She has the majority of the electorate in the US. Bernie Sander may have a little chance too. It's good to remember Donald Trump, Hillary Clinton's presidential opponent. But the time will tell us who will be the next president of the United States of America.
Forget the $200,000 per speech, on average. What's truly appalling is the sheer volume of those speeches. Between them, the Clintons have PERSONALLY received more than $153,000,000 for speeches. This is not including contributions to their $2,000,000,000 family foundation, Hillary's campaign, or her SuperPAC, all of which typically accompany the exorbitant speaking fees. Shame on the NYT for not including these essential facts, or information about Bill Clinton's 7- and 8-figure speaking and consulting fees from special interests, in its coverage of the Clintons' financial ties. It's long past time the newspaper of record reported on and followed up on these apparent conflicts of interest.
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All that about Bernie's attacks on Hillary, and not one word on her decisive blows about his nay votes on the Brady Bill.... five times! Or her assertion that he voted against it because of HIS alliance with the Big Business Gun Manufacturers ! He has accused for months with NO evidence, she accused once--and had the goods.
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I can only imagine the outrage if HRC wagged her finger at Sanders.
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If that's an issue for voters they surely aren't going to like what Trump has in store for her, and it's a long shot better than what Bill wags at women.
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The Queen of Deflection was is fine form last night. Never disappoints.
She added yet another body to that bus namely the President. Getting very crowded down there. She truly has perfected the art of deception and raising her voice and speaking over Sanders when it was his turn is not professional nor is it Presidential. She is NOT presidential material. And kudos to Bernie on his stand with Israel.
Feel The Bern................
She added yet another body to that bus namely the President. Getting very crowded down there. She truly has perfected the art of deception and raising her voice and speaking over Sanders when it was his turn is not professional nor is it Presidential. She is NOT presidential material. And kudos to Bernie on his stand with Israel.
Feel The Bern................
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Ha ha ha. Yes. She just put De Blasio down there earlier this week.
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I am writing back and forth with a friend who recently became disabled with a rare type of MS in his 50's. Tragic, a highly qualified nuclear medicine director at an excellent hospital, now out of work, with grim prospects. We are discussing our health care costs, and I am telling him that I can buy a special gauze pad on Amazon for $7.50 that the hospital supplier that ordered same to ship to me charges Medicare $21.00 for--same exact pad. And the Unna boot that Amazon charges me $15 for, the hospital charged Medicare $250 for, and I pay 20% of that.
Of course, the Clinton Global Initiative, the initiative where you sell your influence to countries around the world for big bucks, has reaped Hillary, Bill and Chelsea "the "smart one", some many millions of dollar$. So she's OK with my medical bills, even as my gross adjusted income for 2015 was under $7000.
The choice for us is clear. Bernie and a reasonable change out of financial slavery, or Hillary and more of the same beat down existence. And no, under no circumstances would I vote for her if she is the Dem nominee. She in no way represents my very humble interests.
Of course, the Clinton Global Initiative, the initiative where you sell your influence to countries around the world for big bucks, has reaped Hillary, Bill and Chelsea "the "smart one", some many millions of dollar$. So she's OK with my medical bills, even as my gross adjusted income for 2015 was under $7000.
The choice for us is clear. Bernie and a reasonable change out of financial slavery, or Hillary and more of the same beat down existence. And no, under no circumstances would I vote for her if she is the Dem nominee. She in no way represents my very humble interests.
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The bandage that Amazon sells goes for $15.00 dollars because that is the price of the bandage plus Amazon's costs. The hospital bandage costs $250.00 because the hospital adds the costs of paying staff, paying off the property loan, buying all of fixed equipment, and paying the utility bill to whatever services the patient uses. Placing the entire nation of Medicare as Senator Sanders wishes to do will not solve that problem.
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I heard a friend say that he'll take Secretary Clinton over Senator Sanders because he knows what she's about. I think they lack imagination.
Sanders has vision and will surround himself with capable people to create a more equitable future.
Settling for Clinton__who borrows Sanders' ideas without convincing us of her conviction to justice and a livable wage__just getting into the presidency__is pathetic.
Let us embrace the future that is now and choose to co-create a more just and equitable nation. All of us will benefit for generations to come. Feel the Bern!!
Sanders has vision and will surround himself with capable people to create a more equitable future.
Settling for Clinton__who borrows Sanders' ideas without convincing us of her conviction to justice and a livable wage__just getting into the presidency__is pathetic.
Let us embrace the future that is now and choose to co-create a more just and equitable nation. All of us will benefit for generations to come. Feel the Bern!!
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I'm sure your Clinton-preferring friend thinks you have too much imagination.
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"Sanders has vision and will surround himself with capable people to create a more equitable future."....Trouble is right now more than half of the Congress consists of Republicans. Sanders has a great message, but if you think there is any chance he can execute his message you have been over come by fairy dust.
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The headline for me is this:" Clinton Refuses to Be Held Accountable for Multi-Million Dollar Speeches to Special Interests", with the sub-head: "Nevertheless Believes Herself to Be Entitled to the Nomination"
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It is truly amazing to see the Clinton supporters argue that Bernie doesn't have a grasp of complex problems. The fact is that his stances are firmly supported by the scholarly research on inequality, climate change, and the US political system. Her constant contortions are not an example of a fine mind able to see nuance. Each of her carefully crafted stances are not based on her deeper understanding of the issues--they are based on political expediency.
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And how will Sanders execute his plan? There will be a political revolution. Unfortunately a political revolution requires a long slate of candidates at the county, state, and federal level. There is no such slate. There is therefore no revolution. Sanders is selling a mirage and you have bought it.
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You cannot not to love it - when asked about her accomplishments Hillary says: WE did it together with the President Obama. But when there was a mistake - then the President did it himself...
BLITZER: —
"Secretary Clinton, President Obama says the worst mistake in office that he made over these past seven and a half years was not preparing for Libya after Moammar Qadafi was removed. You were his secretary of State.
Aren’t you also responsible for that?"
CLINTON: ---
"The decision was the president’s. Did I do the due diligence? Did I talk to everybody I could talk to? Did I visit every capital and then report back to the president? Yes, I did. That’s what a secretary of state does.
But at the end of the day, those are the decisions that are made by the president to in any way use American military power. And the president made that decision. "
BLITZER: —
"Secretary Clinton, President Obama says the worst mistake in office that he made over these past seven and a half years was not preparing for Libya after Moammar Qadafi was removed. You were his secretary of State.
Aren’t you also responsible for that?"
CLINTON: ---
"The decision was the president’s. Did I do the due diligence? Did I talk to everybody I could talk to? Did I visit every capital and then report back to the president? Yes, I did. That’s what a secretary of state does.
But at the end of the day, those are the decisions that are made by the president to in any way use American military power. And the president made that decision. "
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This is Hillary showing her true colors, she did the same thing the other night with the de Blasio CP disaster. This is how she will govern, this is how she will be President (heaven help us) to all you loyal and faithful Clinton lovers beware, you can't live your life blaming others for your own choices. Doesn't fly. And I wonder how you explain this and how you reconcile yourselves with this person as your choice.
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And the President has all along suggested that he went in unwillingly but in support of our allies who pressured us to help them.
You're like the Republicans with Benghazi on this, somehow revising history because it is a politically expedient way to attack Hillary.
You're like the Republicans with Benghazi on this, somehow revising history because it is a politically expedient way to attack Hillary.
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Yes. This was stunning. As noted above, she'll throw anyone under the bus.
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This debate brought no new ideas to be debated. It was a rerun, and was forced by Sanders and his overblown ego. Clinton - wisely - didn't want the debate. Not because she was afraid, but because retreading covered territory is a waste of everyone's time.
But alas, Bernie has been riding the Bernie-bro wave and was looking for a raucous crowd of his ill-mannered cult to feel the satisfaction. It was all about him. And it's become sad.
This started as such a good campaign, but Sanders seems compelled to bring the Democratic primary down closer to the level of the Republican nonsense.
Just, stop. Democrats are usually the adults in the room. We are better than this.
But alas, Bernie has been riding the Bernie-bro wave and was looking for a raucous crowd of his ill-mannered cult to feel the satisfaction. It was all about him. And it's become sad.
This started as such a good campaign, but Sanders seems compelled to bring the Democratic primary down closer to the level of the Republican nonsense.
Just, stop. Democrats are usually the adults in the room. We are better than this.
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Ha the only adults in the room. That's rich. You assume a lot and you assume incorrectly. Thanks for the laugh for today.
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So nice of you to fling millions of us Bernie supporters under the bus, even if it is a bit crowded we will not be deterred. But thanks anyway!
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By my count, Hillary Clinton has now said “President Obama” more times than Ted Cruz has said “Ronald Reagan.”
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As an outsider point of view: Cinton just came across as an automaton, and reminded me a lot of the approach Lois Griffin gave when running for mayor in Family Guy.
The constant "great to be in Brooklyn" style lines just smacked of somebody briefed by a campaign manager before strolling out to read her script. Sanders was a lot more natural, acted like an actual human being, Clinton came across as a shady car salesman, all grins and staring eyes.... but she might still get the nomination?
Yikes. The world shudders.
The constant "great to be in Brooklyn" style lines just smacked of somebody briefed by a campaign manager before strolling out to read her script. Sanders was a lot more natural, acted like an actual human being, Clinton came across as a shady car salesman, all grins and staring eyes.... but she might still get the nomination?
Yikes. The world shudders.
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What really needs to change is the format of these so-called debates. All they really amount to are exchanges of bumper sticker slogans and sound bites. Let's have an actual debate, where each person gets ample time to present their view, than the other gets sufficient time to rebut, and so on. These "debates" are just two cats in a litter box, tossing litter over the other one's deposit.
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These "debates" are big money exercises in ads and signing up streamers. No, they can't do any "depth" -- wouldn't fit with all the ads and their particular mish-mash of corporate greed, far more important to CNN than our education about the candidates.
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I imagine HRC will keep those speech transcripts close to her vest until she wins the Democratic nominee. Probably won't even want to release them until the general election is wrapped up, it at all. How will people, who voted for her because they didn't think it was a big deal, react when they see and read how cozy and close she is with the big banks? How she cares more for them than for the people of America... You made your own bed, now lie in it.
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“...if Yasser Arafat had agreed with my husband at Camp David in the late 1990s to the offer that [then Israeli] prime minister [Ehud] Barak put on the table, we would have had a Palestinian state for 15 years already.”
I was wondering why this powerful statement by Mrs Clinton during the debate somehow got "airbrushed" out of the article when listing the important highlights. But then I remembered I was reading the NY Times and had my ah hah moment. Better to focus on Bernie's and his core left supporters "blame it all on Israel" obsession.
I was wondering why this powerful statement by Mrs Clinton during the debate somehow got "airbrushed" out of the article when listing the important highlights. But then I remembered I was reading the NY Times and had my ah hah moment. Better to focus on Bernie's and his core left supporters "blame it all on Israel" obsession.
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So Hillary gets credit for something that did not happen. That sounds about right!
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This isn't your dad's Democratic debate.
The people want real change, not Hillary. The Bernie supporters are the future.
Go Bernie!
The people want real change, not Hillary. The Bernie supporters are the future.
Go Bernie!
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Clinton's failure to directly answer questions made her look dishonest which is exactly why many people do not like her. She evaded the question of whether Israel used a disproportionate response to terrorist attacks and then when pressed for an answer she skirted around it again. Her refusal to release the Wall Street transcripts of her speeches also made her look like she was hiding something. CNN's Dana Bash rightly stated that Clinton was not running against the GOP in the primary and that Sanders had disclosed his speeches (which were none) to Wall Street and still Clinton refused. Clinton also tried to take credit for the $15/hour minimum wage hike when she has clearly been in favor of $12/hour throughout her campaign. Sanders has me convinced after last night and I believe he is the only honest politician in the whole race.
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If Sanders were an honest politician, he would be running on the Socialist ticket, not the Democrat ticket.
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He has always caucused with the Democrats. He believes in the values of the Democratic Party.
Unfortunately, the Establishment Democrats aren't too good at it.
I would say that the Establishment Democrats would be better suited to run as Republicans.
Unfortunately, the Establishment Democrats aren't too good at it.
I would say that the Establishment Democrats would be better suited to run as Republicans.
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Sen. Sanders does not need a "landslide victory" here in New York this Tuesday. If he wins on Sec. Clinton's adopted home state turf, it will be a mortal wound to her candidacy. Even perennial primary laggard John Kasich won his home state of Ohio. If a candidate is so unpopular in their own state, what does it say about their electability for national office? So, this Tuesday when I and other New York Democrats vote we'll know the answer. It is a "landslide" win for Sec. Clinton that's necessary to secure the nomination and build confidence that she can become our nation's first female President in November.
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The difference in these candidates is their goals.
Hillary wants to bravely defend and protect the status quo.
The "haves" are likely to appreciate this as reasonable and pragmatic.
The Republicans support the 1%, the Democrats - mostly the top 10%, snd will debate doing more for the less fortunate.
Bernie wants to include all Americans in a government that works for everyone - not just the well connected.
This is seen by many as "crazy" and "impractical".
"How can he possibly accomplish these things."
"Bernie is just a dreamer."
When President Kennedy proposed going to the moon in a decade, he didn't know all of the details.
It was the DREAM that was important.
Hillary wants to bravely defend and protect the status quo.
The "haves" are likely to appreciate this as reasonable and pragmatic.
The Republicans support the 1%, the Democrats - mostly the top 10%, snd will debate doing more for the less fortunate.
Bernie wants to include all Americans in a government that works for everyone - not just the well connected.
This is seen by many as "crazy" and "impractical".
"How can he possibly accomplish these things."
"Bernie is just a dreamer."
When President Kennedy proposed going to the moon in a decade, he didn't know all of the details.
It was the DREAM that was important.
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Regardless as to who wins the Democratic nomination, I think it is quite clear that Sanders represents what the Democratic party will look like in the future, Hillary is an anachronism of the old Democratic establishment that carried water for BigMoney, BigBanksters and Corporations at the expense of people. She reminds me of the Senior Bush who was the last of the old guard pre-Reagan Eisenhower gettlemen-moderate Republicans. The future of the GOP was Reaganite-reactionary-movement=conservatives.
Bill de Blasio made the point on "All In" with Chris Hays, that the under 40 generation has had to live through a period of radically reduced opportunity for them, much like de Blasio's parent's generation which produced a very progressive generation. The experience that the young have had is real. it is shaping them. That experience has moved them far to the left. As de Blasio said, that's where the country is heading and the youth are already there and they are waiting for the rest of the nation to catch up to them.
I thought that was insightful analysis on his part.
Hillary is advocating for $12/hr minimum wage. 20% of the nation has already gone to $15/hr. so she's already behind the time in the short time since her campaign began last April. That is emblematic. Sanders is what the future of the Democratic party looks like.
Bill de Blasio made the point on "All In" with Chris Hays, that the under 40 generation has had to live through a period of radically reduced opportunity for them, much like de Blasio's parent's generation which produced a very progressive generation. The experience that the young have had is real. it is shaping them. That experience has moved them far to the left. As de Blasio said, that's where the country is heading and the youth are already there and they are waiting for the rest of the nation to catch up to them.
I thought that was insightful analysis on his part.
Hillary is advocating for $12/hr minimum wage. 20% of the nation has already gone to $15/hr. so she's already behind the time in the short time since her campaign began last April. That is emblematic. Sanders is what the future of the Democratic party looks like.
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Shockingly bias article. Totally dominated by the rhetoric of one candidate. So bad I don't even need to point out which one. I saw the debate very different.
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I'll vote for Sanders because of the dumbfounding corruption of money in our politics.
If Sanders doesn't win the nomination, I will vote for Clinton and work for her campaign.
Their job now is to compete with each other, but when the day comes, I have no doubt that whoever wins will receive full support from the other and that this primary campaign will have provided us a better president.
If Sanders doesn't win the nomination, I will vote for Clinton and work for her campaign.
Their job now is to compete with each other, but when the day comes, I have no doubt that whoever wins will receive full support from the other and that this primary campaign will have provided us a better president.
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GOP and their policies are a cancer. Hillary wants to manage the cancer and Bernie wants to eliminate the cancer. The choice is clear and obvious: healthcare and college education for all. Go Bernie!
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I fail to see any ethical difference between Hillary Clinton refusing to release her speech to Goldman Sachs and Bernie Sanders failing to release his tax returns. They are both hiding something.
So we are left with the issue of who will be the best candidate. As evidenced by the preponderance of opinion in this comments section, the Sanders supporters are the most vocal and enthusiastic. So were the Democrats who supported George McGovern in 1972 and the insults hurled at the old-line Democrats now sound rather like the ones used back then - unfeeling, in thrall to the business community, too quick to engage in war, and insensitive to the needs of the poor. Those of us who are a bit advanced in years remember how the subsequent general election turned out.
I have yet to hear any Sanders supporters explain how a candidate who filed for conscientious objector status will answer the charge that he is unfit to be a commander in chief.
So we are left with the issue of who will be the best candidate. As evidenced by the preponderance of opinion in this comments section, the Sanders supporters are the most vocal and enthusiastic. So were the Democrats who supported George McGovern in 1972 and the insults hurled at the old-line Democrats now sound rather like the ones used back then - unfeeling, in thrall to the business community, too quick to engage in war, and insensitive to the needs of the poor. Those of us who are a bit advanced in years remember how the subsequent general election turned out.
I have yet to hear any Sanders supporters explain how a candidate who filed for conscientious objector status will answer the charge that he is unfit to be a commander in chief.
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So, when Bernie releases his tax returns, will Hillary release her transcripts?
We shall see.
We shall see.
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President William Jefferson Clinton didn't serve a day in the Armed Forces and the left simply adored this odious man. So what is your point exactly. HRC didn't serve in ROTC in college so your argument is pointless.
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Wait a minute ?
Bernie has financial ties to the NRA and voted for the mass incarceration bill ?
I had no idea until this debate. Why is Bernie supporting the NRA and mass incarceration ?
He has a lot of explaining to do ... a lot ...
Bernie has financial ties to the NRA and voted for the mass incarceration bill ?
I had no idea until this debate. Why is Bernie supporting the NRA and mass incarceration ?
He has a lot of explaining to do ... a lot ...
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Mass incarceration? Clearly, you have not been listening, he has regularly spoken very clearly about that and, if anything, his policies are quite the opposite.
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A suggest you try a little thing called "Google" to learn the facts.
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No idea what you're talking about with the NRA. He has a D- rating from them.
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The one sentence stuck on my mind from last night's debate is "From day one"; Hillary is experienced to start the job from day one. The Bernie I saw was a frail man, shaking, blushing, half sentences, uninformed and unqualified to be POTUS.
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Back in 2012 HRC was rushed to the hospital for a brain clot after fainting from a stomach virus, can't remember the last time Bernie was at a hospital. Any ideas?
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Hillary is riding a wave of approval over policies she has never shown any inclination for when she had opportunities to enable change. She likes to tie herself to President Obama, but her values and priorities are better seen in policy she had a direct input into during her "co-Presidency" with her husband. Many of those were responsible, in part or in full, for the decimation of America's middle class and the meteoric rise of the financial sector in American politics. Her obvious desire to put distance between her perceived judgement and the actual judgement calls she has made, both in her husband's and Obama's administrations, should be cause for pause to voters.
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The purpose of these Democratic debates is not to generate zingers or score points for slams and takedowns. How did this process degenerate so profoundly? The purpose is to enable each party to select its best nominee with the best chances of winning a general election. They are no longer useful in doing this and are only harming the party's long-term interest which should always supersede the interests of individual candidates. They are selections, not elections. They should be terminated now. We get it.
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Bernie is unqualified to be POTUS, I'm voting for Hillary! She can start on the job from day one!!!
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Yes she is well entrenched in the DC corruption. She can start earning more money from day one
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“Make no mistake about it — this is not just an attack on me, it’s an attack on President Obama,”
Why does Hillary Clinton always have to invoke other people, like Obama. Is it because she thinks it will get her more people of color votes. Or that party members will give her a bye. Both scenarios show weakness and the fact she appears to not have that much of a record to stand on.
When Wolf Blitz stated that Obama said Libya was his worst mistake/failure and then asked H. Clinton, since she was Secretary of State during that time, was that not her failure as well. Like most of her responses, she dodged the question. She often leans on Obama and Bill Clinton (the 1990s) to take their credit but never assumes responsibilities for any of their failures.
Clinton may have a padded resume, with lots of job titles, but the essential qualities to be a leader, such as ability to motivate and inspire others, communication skills, having bold vision for change, appear to be lacking.She seems more a policy wonk and more interested in detail and process; appears to be more a manager than a leader. Sanders has executive experience as Mayor of Burlington, where he organized others and got things done. He has the ability to draw in the many millions that have been left out. And a deep understanding of the needs of this country; his strength lies in the huge groundswell of grassroots support he has built and his main target: the rigged economy and political/social system we live in.
Why does Hillary Clinton always have to invoke other people, like Obama. Is it because she thinks it will get her more people of color votes. Or that party members will give her a bye. Both scenarios show weakness and the fact she appears to not have that much of a record to stand on.
When Wolf Blitz stated that Obama said Libya was his worst mistake/failure and then asked H. Clinton, since she was Secretary of State during that time, was that not her failure as well. Like most of her responses, she dodged the question. She often leans on Obama and Bill Clinton (the 1990s) to take their credit but never assumes responsibilities for any of their failures.
Clinton may have a padded resume, with lots of job titles, but the essential qualities to be a leader, such as ability to motivate and inspire others, communication skills, having bold vision for change, appear to be lacking.She seems more a policy wonk and more interested in detail and process; appears to be more a manager than a leader. Sanders has executive experience as Mayor of Burlington, where he organized others and got things done. He has the ability to draw in the many millions that have been left out. And a deep understanding of the needs of this country; his strength lies in the huge groundswell of grassroots support he has built and his main target: the rigged economy and political/social system we live in.
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Yes, she certainly didn't own any of the blame for Libya. All of a sudden, she just made "recommendations" to Obama but he alone owned the decision.
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She only invoked Obama when it suited her, like she does all the time, then deflected and blamed him for Libya. Vintage Clinton.
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Does anyone honestly believe that after DECADES of being lied about, smeared, and investigated, Clinton would be so dumb as to say anything that could be used against her? Be real.
I'm much more concerned about someone that would vote against the Brady bill FIVE times, and laugh when Hillary brings it up?
How is that a laughing matter?
I'm much more concerned about someone that would vote against the Brady bill FIVE times, and laugh when Hillary brings it up?
How is that a laughing matter?
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He was laughing at the ludicrousness of her claim. If you can't see that, you're partisanship is obvious.
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He DID vote against it 5 times.
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I was turned off by Bernie Sanders incessant pointing at Clinton and constant harping on campaign finance. He has no depth or breadth of experience in either domestic or foreign policy. He promises a lot but cannot deliver. He has been in Congress for over 25 years and what has he done to push his agenda. He is a loud mouth bore who harps on the past with no real plan for our future. I believe he is the chameleon that we need to beware of. I support Hillary Clinton flaws and all because I know she is capable and will keep the Obama movement moving. If Bernie couldn't get a Republican Congress to move while he served in Congress, what makes you think he can do it as President of the United States. I like Bernie but I don't want to feel the Bern or get Berned by Mr. Sanders.
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I don't need to read the speech transcripts. What she said to Goldman Sachs or any other corporation or advocacy group is not the issue for me. The issue is that a person we, the people, trusted to represent us, all of us, enough to elect and re-elect her and whom the president trusted to represent our national interests and security in the world accepted large sums of money for her personal gain to share the knowledge and insight gained in public service. We paid her well to serve us. We paid for her policy "education" and process experience that Goldman Sachs valued so highly. If she wants to use it for fund-raising for charity and doing good, that honors us. But to use it to increase her personal wealth, exploits us. She is far from the only politician who has entered public service from the middle class and soon after, if not during, entered the 1% class. I, for one, want that to stop. It is a sacred trust to serve the American people in a representative democracy. It should be sacrificial service, not a wealth-building strategy. Secretary Clinton showed poor judgment. "Everybody does it" and "It's what they offered" are not the qualifications I am looking at this time.
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Moreover, I am not interested in what other crooks have to offer to Goldman Sachs in their speeches. I am interested in HRC transcripts because she is representing DEMOCRATIC party. She could represent GOP and hide all her transcripts. I can happily live with that.
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In case you haven't bothered to review the Clintons' tax filings from the past 15 years, they give quite a large percentage of their wealth to charity. Based on Sanders's extreme reluctance to release his tax records, I suspect his percentage is miniscule by comparison. According to your "purity standards," would Bernie have been expected to donate all of his salary as a U.S. senator to charity then?
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Fantastic comment. I agree 100%. I hope the Obamas will show the Clintons how a graceful exit from public service, without cashing in, is done.
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I was very impressed with the closing remarks made by Bernie
Sanders-- standing tall, he looked into the camera and forcefully made his appeal of a vision for a new America. He directly called out to progressives young and old, independents and even republicans to join him in his vision
For me he transformed himself from your grumpy old uncle to a person of stature who can be president and lead America forward.
Let's us see how he handles himself on the world stage when he speaks at the Vatican conference.
Sanders-- standing tall, he looked into the camera and forcefully made his appeal of a vision for a new America. He directly called out to progressives young and old, independents and even republicans to join him in his vision
For me he transformed himself from your grumpy old uncle to a person of stature who can be president and lead America forward.
Let's us see how he handles himself on the world stage when he speaks at the Vatican conference.
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If he does anything short of calling out the Vatican for the hypocrisy of their insanely opulent and secretive ways, I'll know that Bernie is a fraud.
The Vatican is the Ultimate in one-percent elitism. If Jesus walked into Vatican City and saw what his teachings have wrought, he would be ashamed. There is nothing Christ like in the Vatican.
I hope Bernie points this out. This is his moment: if he takes it I will support him. If he panders, I'm going to pass and only support him as the Democratic nominee.
The Vatican is the Ultimate in one-percent elitism. If Jesus walked into Vatican City and saw what his teachings have wrought, he would be ashamed. There is nothing Christ like in the Vatican.
I hope Bernie points this out. This is his moment: if he takes it I will support him. If he panders, I'm going to pass and only support him as the Democratic nominee.
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Fran, that's not why he's going there, and if Hillary were going, would you be asking the same?
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After Clinton's sweep of the South and Sander's big wins in caucus states and come-from-behind victory in Michigan, the big question was could he win in large northern-state primaries. Ohio and Illinois and Mass. were critical test, but the voters said "no." They also said "no" in the important big swing states, Florida, Virginia and North Carolina.
Now, trailing by over 200 pledged, elected delegates, the Sanders campaign faces another set of big tests in New York, Pennsylvania and Maryland. To retain any claim of viability he needs big victories here. Moral victories won't cut it.
Jane Sanders and other campaign staff tell reporters that they plan to win at a "contested" convention -- that super-delegates will switch to Sanders because of his overwhelming popularity. This is only conceivable if he leaves California with a majority of the pledged delegates and primary votes, neither of which now seems likely. If the Clinton campaign widens the pledged delegate gap in the next two weeks then Sec. Clinton is the presumptive nominee.
Sanders campaign staff and young supporters will have a hard time accepting this, but not I'd bet Sen. Sanders, a smart guy after all. I'm sure he'd rather live in a country governed by Sec. Clinton than either Trump or Cruz, and will act accordingly. He is no Nader.
Now, trailing by over 200 pledged, elected delegates, the Sanders campaign faces another set of big tests in New York, Pennsylvania and Maryland. To retain any claim of viability he needs big victories here. Moral victories won't cut it.
Jane Sanders and other campaign staff tell reporters that they plan to win at a "contested" convention -- that super-delegates will switch to Sanders because of his overwhelming popularity. This is only conceivable if he leaves California with a majority of the pledged delegates and primary votes, neither of which now seems likely. If the Clinton campaign widens the pledged delegate gap in the next two weeks then Sec. Clinton is the presumptive nominee.
Sanders campaign staff and young supporters will have a hard time accepting this, but not I'd bet Sen. Sanders, a smart guy after all. I'm sure he'd rather live in a country governed by Sec. Clinton than either Trump or Cruz, and will act accordingly. He is no Nader.
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David S, the exit polls, which are extremely accurate, say that Bernie win both Illinois and Massachusetts, so I'm wondering what really happened in those states. Do a little research, and you'll fund the same.
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Math, as well as the role of the Federal Treasury, does not seem to be the Bernie Sanders campaign's strong subject.
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Pretty sure Virginia and North Carolina are red, not swing states.
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This debate could have been titled "Pragmatism Vs. Idealism." Sanders is the only candidate in my lifetime whose political ideals mostly reflect my own. And, I'm not voting for him. Bernie has a goal, but absolutely no plan for getting there. "We need to go after big money!" Yeah, how is that going to play out exactly. Obama was a moderate, and look how congress blocked him! The GOP candidates are vowing to repeal a modest health care plan like Obamacare. The idea that Sanders is going to get congress to go along with single-payer healthcare, free college tuition, and massive taxes on banks and corporations is ludicrous. "Sure, Bernie, we'll draft that bill ASAP! Would you like us to ban gas-fueled cars, too?" America is not ready for Sanders right now. The huge number of Trump supporters is all the evidence I need. Bernie's value is in pushing the Democratic party to the left. Maybe in 8 years or so, as the Boomers die off and IGen starts voting, this country will be ready for a *pragmatic* version of Sanders. I look forward to that day.
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Helloworld, Bernie DOES have a plan. Check it, in clear and precise detail at www.berniesanders.com.
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Minorities in the US should consider that here is "the first presidential candidate in US History" to refer to the Palestinians as humans who deserve respect and a fair shot at a decent living.
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Bernie is scared and desperate. First, he says she unqualified to be president because, boo-hoo, her campaign said something about him he didn't like. He keeps harping on Goldman Sachs. Everyone knowledgeable financial person knows the economy runs on Wall Street and, without it, there would be no economy. You can't just condemn them and/or ignore them. She's not going sell her soul for a relatively minor amount of money and it's to her credit she has a cordial relationship with them. Bernie is a tired old ex-hippie who doesn't know much about anything and has very little experience compared to Hillary.
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He said she was unqualified, or more appropriately disqualified, due to errors in previous judgement. The doubling down on bad judgement came with Libya, and now with Syria.
I understand finance, so I also understand that exotic swaps, derivatives, and other instruments do not add much to the economy besides creating potential for systemic failure. Boring banking, like we had until the 80s, should be legislatively enforced. We need banks, but we don't need the crazy products so many banks push these days.
I understand finance, so I also understand that exotic swaps, derivatives, and other instruments do not add much to the economy besides creating potential for systemic failure. Boring banking, like we had until the 80s, should be legislatively enforced. We need banks, but we don't need the crazy products so many banks push these days.
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The fees Hillary has received for her speeches to Wall Street are not "a relatively minor amount of money" to most people.
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Ra, ra, big surprise: Hillary won the debate. (So says the Times.)
What I saw was a Hillary that was torn to shreds by Sanders grandfatherly confrontation. She refuses to come clean on Goldman Sachs while insisting that suing gun manufacturers wouldn't be tilting at windmills. I think she still thinks a no-fly zone over Syria is a good idea.
Sanders appeared confrontational but this is the last great chance to beat Hillary in delegates. I'm not talking about the so-called super-delegates: those badgered folks who have been both courted and threatened by the Clinton machine. I hope some of them start to defect after Sanders' win in New York
What I saw was a Hillary that was torn to shreds by Sanders grandfatherly confrontation. She refuses to come clean on Goldman Sachs while insisting that suing gun manufacturers wouldn't be tilting at windmills. I think she still thinks a no-fly zone over Syria is a good idea.
Sanders appeared confrontational but this is the last great chance to beat Hillary in delegates. I'm not talking about the so-called super-delegates: those badgered folks who have been both courted and threatened by the Clinton machine. I hope some of them start to defect after Sanders' win in New York
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Mrs. Clinton asks for an example of her being influenced by Wall Street. I am reminded of when Dick Cheney asked us to trust him that he was not influenced by his relationship with Halliburton during the run-up to Iraq. As a citizen, I should not be put in a position where I must trust a policy maker in spite of a textbook conflict of interest. I hated it when Cheney asked us to trust him, and Mrs. Clinton puts us in that same position. It insults our intelligence.
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There is an old adage that you can't shoot high if you only aim low.
We need a Bernie to start hitting on the real problems, not a let's try and work with "more of the same" attitude
We need a Bernie to start hitting on the real problems, not a let's try and work with "more of the same" attitude
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And if you aim too high, it will all just fall back on your head.
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How much closer is Hillary going to get to Obama?
Of course it's a cynical attempt at appealing to African-American voters
HRC - " the Great Panderer"
Of course it's a cynical attempt at appealing to African-American voters
HRC - " the Great Panderer"
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Hillary is an accomplished bureaucrat and a brilliant lawyer, as evidenced by her many smoothly evasive answers. But Bernie exhibits leadership, vision, and integrity.
Hillary's Achilles heel is that she is not a leader. There are several and varied crises facing us at home and abroad; and our planet is literally imperiled. Small, incremental improvements in the face of climate change on down through exorbitant health care and education costs, low paying and insecure jobs, massive incarceration, etc..., etc.. just won't cut it. She and her backers mock the visionary who sets the bar high. And the mock the rest of us who support him as naive at best, deluded at worst. But, as Anatole France said, "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe."
Incrementalism is not the change we need, it is the status quo. We need to set the bar high and accomplish great things or die trying.
Hillary's Achilles heel is that she is not a leader. There are several and varied crises facing us at home and abroad; and our planet is literally imperiled. Small, incremental improvements in the face of climate change on down through exorbitant health care and education costs, low paying and insecure jobs, massive incarceration, etc..., etc.. just won't cut it. She and her backers mock the visionary who sets the bar high. And the mock the rest of us who support him as naive at best, deluded at worst. But, as Anatole France said, "To accomplish great things, we must not only act, but also dream; not only plan, but also believe."
Incrementalism is not the change we need, it is the status quo. We need to set the bar high and accomplish great things or die trying.
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So sick of all the yelling and expressions of anger. It looks like several debates ago, they both finished saying what they had to say. But they have to keep on talking, so now they are just raising the volume and increasing the negativity. (Even though Clinton is shouting, Sanders is louder, since he started at a higher volume.) And the audience acted as though they were at a low-brow sports event. No need to watch any more.
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That debate was as biased and rigged against Sanders as the Times coverage has been. Whenever he was about to make a point, Wolf Blitzer, doing his standard impersonation of a journalist, made sure to cut him off; of course Hillary was permitted to go on and on, and interrupt Sanders repeatedly as she co-ops or gaslights his positions. Her shifty insinuations, outright fabrications, faux outrage and mealy mouthed evasions make her worthy of the title Female Nuxon, certainly not Madam Presidrnt.
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"Wolf Blitzer, doing his standard impersonation of a journalist..."
Thank you for that. My laugh out loud moment for the day.
Thank you for that. My laugh out loud moment for the day.
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implicit in the position that "I will release my speech transcripts when everybody else does" is that having the voters see what she tells the financiers behind closed doors would be damaging to her campaign; but publicly she tells the people that she stood up to them and told them to "cut it out". Surely the transcripts will demonstrate that. the risk in nominating Hillary is not just that some Bernie supporters will stay home on election day but that the democratic party will drive away a whole generation of voters through disillusionment with the new and improved chicago-style democratic party machine politics.
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These two angry fools risk handing the country to the Republicans.
I understand Bernie wants to appeal to rural folks, but you'd think that his utopia would include the confiscation of all handguns and no more concealed anything.
Impossible, you say. True, but so are most of his proposals. I don't care about tax returns or speeches or Benghazi. Big banks will not be going away and sadly, we will not have peace in the middle east. These are not winning campaign slogans but they are reality.
I understand Bernie wants to appeal to rural folks, but you'd think that his utopia would include the confiscation of all handguns and no more concealed anything.
Impossible, you say. True, but so are most of his proposals. I don't care about tax returns or speeches or Benghazi. Big banks will not be going away and sadly, we will not have peace in the middle east. These are not winning campaign slogans but they are reality.
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Supporters say on Bernie is so nice ! How do we no that ? All I know he is a seasoned Politician and knows how to play the crowd.
I say come away from your colored glass and vote for the person who would get things done being pragmatic and not promise us the sun and the moon.
Go Hillary Clinton !
I say come away from your colored glass and vote for the person who would get things done being pragmatic and not promise us the sun and the moon.
Go Hillary Clinton !
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As a born and raised Vermonter, I can attest to Bernie's authenticity. He is a master of listening and addressing people's problems. I met him on multiple occasions as he traveled around the state and held town hall meetings. Nobody was forcing him to do that and most politicians don't do that. Bernie really does care about his constituents, and furthermore, he is one of the few federal politicians still in touch with the average person's problems. That's why he wins with >70% of the vote in Vermont. I hope you reconsider your stance regarding Bernie.
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It started with " I love being in Brooklyn" and from there on, Mrs. Clinton piled up the pandering, dodging, deflecting and revisionism throughout the two hours. She even introduced a topic of her choosing "abortion" -- just so she could mobilize the "gender issue" constituency -- knowing fully well that Mr. Sanders is to her left when it comes to the autonomy of women and their right to control their own bodies.
But she was not done. To be one-up the Jewish man right next to her, she threw in the canard of Israel "giving the keys to Gazans" and how they chose terrorists instead. No mention of the Palestinian elections and the blockade of Gaza on all fronts - air, road and sea - and the collective punishment on a broken and destroyed people by the Israeli war machine.
Of course, it is the New York primary.
What a stunning portrait of entitlement, falsehoods and bottomless hubris.
But she was not done. To be one-up the Jewish man right next to her, she threw in the canard of Israel "giving the keys to Gazans" and how they chose terrorists instead. No mention of the Palestinian elections and the blockade of Gaza on all fronts - air, road and sea - and the collective punishment on a broken and destroyed people by the Israeli war machine.
Of course, it is the New York primary.
What a stunning portrait of entitlement, falsehoods and bottomless hubris.
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The debate was painful to watch, especially since the Clinton/Sanders debates began civilly, in welcome contrast to the GOP debates. Sanders' self-righteousness, constant wagging of his shaky fingers, perpetually flailing arms and the fact that he shouts every single sentence in a Brooklyn accent is utterly exhausting to observe and would wear thin after two weeks in the general election. And his promises are as wild as Trumps's. Clinton's incremental change philosophy is more practical, given our dysfunctional, obstructionist congress. Hillary can get in her own way, is admittedly not a gifted politician and is loathed in some quarters, but I think she is a good woman with the country's interests at heart and, in this dismal election cycle, the most qualified candidate.
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I thought it was telling when Hillary said individuals should be financially penalized from the big banks but didn't mention jail time. Hillary can mention Dodd Frank as many times as she wants to, the bottom line is no executives went to jail for tanking the whole economy. She doesn't want to release the transcripts because of her saying favorable things about the financial sector in those speeches.
Also, when you make one bad foreign affairs decision after the other (Iraq War,overthrowing Gaddafi with no after plan even when seeing the debacle of Iraq,wanting to arm the "moderate" rebels and overthrow Assad. Yes, your judgement should come in to question regarding foreign affairs.
Also, when you make one bad foreign affairs decision after the other (Iraq War,overthrowing Gaddafi with no after plan even when seeing the debacle of Iraq,wanting to arm the "moderate" rebels and overthrow Assad. Yes, your judgement should come in to question regarding foreign affairs.
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There was a time when 'debate' referred to a forum in which candidates responded thoughtfully (at their best) to a series of questions focused on policy issued by a moderator. The responses, challenges, and replies clarified the position and provided the audience with insight into the candidate's potential for being a successful leader. Apparently, those days are gone; now, 'debate' (regardless of the party) refers to some curious form of entertainment in which audience reaction is as embarrassing as the candidates' comportment. Bread and circuses, anyone?
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So many comments, each pressing their view of the candidates, each venting to a body of readers unlikely to change their minds. I don't see much actual facts, data or information added to the mix.
There have been so many debates, townhalls and interviews of both the Democratic and GOP candidates. How many is too many? Are we there yet?
As for me, I was for Hillary 40 years ago and still am. My adult child is for Bernie. It is best we don't talk about it and I won't. I can more easily discuss the GOP candidates with one of their supporters. Interesting.
My child has absolutely no concern over Bernie's disclaimer of an ability to discuss his taxes nor his believing that his wife knows all and just sort of lost track of them. Hint: you can generally get copies or work really hard to find your own. I think that is sort of equivalent to "the dog ate my homework," especially given that Sanders thought about running for President before and that his wife had a period of financial investigation. I care, my child doesn't. Interesting.
The old curse, allegedly Chinese: May you have an interesting year. We are.
At the end of this interesting period, I hope we have a Democrat in the White House for the next 8 years.
There have been so many debates, townhalls and interviews of both the Democratic and GOP candidates. How many is too many? Are we there yet?
As for me, I was for Hillary 40 years ago and still am. My adult child is for Bernie. It is best we don't talk about it and I won't. I can more easily discuss the GOP candidates with one of their supporters. Interesting.
My child has absolutely no concern over Bernie's disclaimer of an ability to discuss his taxes nor his believing that his wife knows all and just sort of lost track of them. Hint: you can generally get copies or work really hard to find your own. I think that is sort of equivalent to "the dog ate my homework," especially given that Sanders thought about running for President before and that his wife had a period of financial investigation. I care, my child doesn't. Interesting.
The old curse, allegedly Chinese: May you have an interesting year. We are.
At the end of this interesting period, I hope we have a Democrat in the White House for the next 8 years.
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I'm on Sanders' side generally on most issues. I also think he would be a terrible president, and after Republican Atwater-Rove style sliming would have zero chance of getting elected anyway. And I'm really tired of his gross simplifications and ranting and raving, cheered on by his fanboys. Enough already. I'm not on your lawn, Bernie.
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What a sad state of affairs it is for you posting Liberals that these are the 2 candidates for the Dem spot. One is a Socialist who has been railing against banks and Wall Street during his campaign, yet in his 30 yrs in the Senate, can you supporters name how he worked to do something about it? The other is a serial liar who just happened to break the law with her callous handling of Top Secret emails, either intentionally or because she was too lazy to pay attention to the law and the documents that she signed on her first day as Sec of State.
My oh my, I really can not wait for November to roll around!
My oh my, I really can not wait for November to roll around!
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These two are both great candidates, Chaz, and are leaps and bounds better than anything the Republicans have to offer.
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To those who cry "where is the credible plan for ....." (like breaking the Big Banks), I would say we are electing a President and not an Accountant (or a micro-manager).
A President sets top policy philosophies, may or may not be achievable, which is relevant for the situation of the day. e.g. Bernie's policy of free or near free college education has been achieved in many European countries. How to do it in America? Give that to a team of brains to figure that out! That is what the President should do. Assign tasks and build philosophies and not micromanage the way!
Two kudos to Bernie.
Firstly, saying that we are subsidizing Defense to the European NATO countries so that they can pass on the saving to subsidize college education. Yes, they should pay more!!
Secondly, standing tall and saying Palestinians must be respected.
A President sets top policy philosophies, may or may not be achievable, which is relevant for the situation of the day. e.g. Bernie's policy of free or near free college education has been achieved in many European countries. How to do it in America? Give that to a team of brains to figure that out! That is what the President should do. Assign tasks and build philosophies and not micromanage the way!
Two kudos to Bernie.
Firstly, saying that we are subsidizing Defense to the European NATO countries so that they can pass on the saving to subsidize college education. Yes, they should pay more!!
Secondly, standing tall and saying Palestinians must be respected.
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What exactly is being accomplished by breaking up the Big Banks? How does breaking up the Big Banks help the middle class?
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If they do not, you will find out AGAIN, during the next financial meltdown when they come to you to empty your pockets.
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I think that "breaking the big banks" policy is being upstaged by the FEDs and we may have that process rolling on Oct 1. They BIG five have failed to provide a "Living Will" for the last two years and now have a six month extension.
Even if Bernie wins the elections, by the time of his inauguration, breaking the Big Banks would be a fait accompli.
Anyway, to answer your question, there was a historical footnote in the fall of 2008 where a number of big banks took risky bets. If they 'failed', they would have brought down the bigger economy as they were too interconnected.
The solution was that the taxpayers would 'bail them out'. Apart from the 'moral hazard', the bulk of the taxes are paid by the Middle Class. Economists believe that this event led to a 'recession'.
There are two solutions, a complex failsafe mechanism or have a number of small banks so that if each individual fails then FDIC can handle it and there is less impact to the global economy.
Current Minnesota FED governor, ex-Dallas FED governor and Bernie Sanders prefer the latter.
Even if Bernie wins the elections, by the time of his inauguration, breaking the Big Banks would be a fait accompli.
Anyway, to answer your question, there was a historical footnote in the fall of 2008 where a number of big banks took risky bets. If they 'failed', they would have brought down the bigger economy as they were too interconnected.
The solution was that the taxpayers would 'bail them out'. Apart from the 'moral hazard', the bulk of the taxes are paid by the Middle Class. Economists believe that this event led to a 'recession'.
There are two solutions, a complex failsafe mechanism or have a number of small banks so that if each individual fails then FDIC can handle it and there is less impact to the global economy.
Current Minnesota FED governor, ex-Dallas FED governor and Bernie Sanders prefer the latter.
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This article is infuriating. When will we judge Hillary as critically as Bernie? News sources should strive to be unbiased. The recent debate was the only one so far that actually challenged Hillary. The result was that most people saw how incapable she was to give a straight, honest answer. Give me a real answer!!! Can she say something that isn't just for the sake of trying to appeal or win over a new constituent group? You can't get all the claps Hillary. Bernie has consistently avoided "going there" with remarks, but when you are pushed by someone who will say anything to get a vote, you do start standing up for yourself and calling them out. You "go there". Bernie is a breathe of fresh air in a political world full of ambiguous jargon and jabs, and sold-out establishment souls who don't really care about Americans, only how to maintain the status quo. Let's bring the Democratic Party back to what it was before and not pretend like it was never able to accomplish progressive goals. When will the media stop portraying Bernie as some outsider to the party? The Democratic Party used to be LIBERAL. Unfortunately Bernie does not get the same positive nods from the media as Hillary seems to unfairly receive. She must be equally scrutinized and called out.
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I can't begin to state how tired I am of hearing Bernie supporters complain about any criticism of their candidate; it's automatically "biased" by default. Especially precious are the Bernie supporters who railed against the NY Daily News interview as a hit piece, when in reality it was a word-for-word transcript. So I guess that makes Bernie biased against Bernie?
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Bernie Sanders does not live in reality. He thinks the world is a purity test, and every issue can be clearly cleaved between right and wrong.
This is why no one in the Senate democrats endorsed him, until one this week.
Hillary knows how the world really works, and will get stuff done, which is why 40 of her former colleagues endorsed her.
I can't wait for New York State to shut down the Bernie fantasy train. Go Hillary!
This is why no one in the Senate democrats endorsed him, until one this week.
Hillary knows how the world really works, and will get stuff done, which is why 40 of her former colleagues endorsed her.
I can't wait for New York State to shut down the Bernie fantasy train. Go Hillary!
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Hillary believes that Iraq presents a business opportunity.
Hillary supported her husband in deregulating Wall Street, cutting Welfare for poor mothers, and the Crime Bill. The democrats are much more to blame for the financial crisis than the republicans.
Hillary believes that fracking and natural gas are a path to clean energy. Scientists disagree. And environmentalists are kicking themselves for ever supporting this notion.
Hillary would not jail any executive of a big bank. Under Obama there has only been 1.
Hillary will likely go to war and seek regime change in foreign countries.
Hillary's reality is possible but it doesn't look good.
Hillary supported her husband in deregulating Wall Street, cutting Welfare for poor mothers, and the Crime Bill. The democrats are much more to blame for the financial crisis than the republicans.
Hillary believes that fracking and natural gas are a path to clean energy. Scientists disagree. And environmentalists are kicking themselves for ever supporting this notion.
Hillary would not jail any executive of a big bank. Under Obama there has only been 1.
Hillary will likely go to war and seek regime change in foreign countries.
Hillary's reality is possible but it doesn't look good.
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I skipped the debates last night because I am sick and tired of Sanders' relentless attacks on Hillary Clinton. I think it is outrageous to blame her for things her husband did -- anyone who has a spouse knows that it is impossible to control one's spouse.
Sanders has done something wonderful in proving that you dodn't have to have to take money from super packs to win the nomination. If Sanders loses, it will not be from lack of campaign funding.
I appreciate his honesty about Israel and the Palestinians, as well.
Still, I will vote for Hillary because she is a much more positive and seasoned candidate. Also, I can't wait to see the glass ceiling between women and the presidency broken. HIllary is more than qualified to be President, more so than Sanders and her Presidency will open doors for women all over the country.
Sanders has some great points and I hope he will work for Hillary once she is President -- as Hillary did with Obama.
Sanders has done something wonderful in proving that you dodn't have to have to take money from super packs to win the nomination. If Sanders loses, it will not be from lack of campaign funding.
I appreciate his honesty about Israel and the Palestinians, as well.
Still, I will vote for Hillary because she is a much more positive and seasoned candidate. Also, I can't wait to see the glass ceiling between women and the presidency broken. HIllary is more than qualified to be President, more so than Sanders and her Presidency will open doors for women all over the country.
Sanders has some great points and I hope he will work for Hillary once she is President -- as Hillary did with Obama.
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When your job is to speak publicly in favor or against things, and you speak publicly in favor or against a thing, whether it is a thing that your spouse did, or a thing that your neighbors dog did, you may be justifiably held accountable for that speech.
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"Mrs. Clinton continually tried to make her opponent appear less versed on policy nuances, frequently diving into in-depth policy issues." Not really, she rambled on and on till the moderators had to step in time and again. Speaking longer does not necessarily mean good answers. Hillary presents no vision for the future except to be a mechanic who will tighten this here and cut that wire there, duct tape a few items and send us on our way.
As to pledged delegates, yes, I know that is the system of representative Government but...the Superdelegates who are pledging these votes are the very same people that are part of the problem. They stay in political office way past their sell by date, raise money from lobbyists and then do their bidding. They all protest Citizen's United but that is what is keeping the incumbents and the Powerful party interests in power.
Bernie has done his best and he did a better job last night while Hillary dodged, weaved and obscured. The pledged delegates are a plague that will hurt us all but then its the "System" winning, again. If Bernie is not the nominee, here I come Libertarians.
As to pledged delegates, yes, I know that is the system of representative Government but...the Superdelegates who are pledging these votes are the very same people that are part of the problem. They stay in political office way past their sell by date, raise money from lobbyists and then do their bidding. They all protest Citizen's United but that is what is keeping the incumbents and the Powerful party interests in power.
Bernie has done his best and he did a better job last night while Hillary dodged, weaved and obscured. The pledged delegates are a plague that will hurt us all but then its the "System" winning, again. If Bernie is not the nominee, here I come Libertarians.
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Good comment. Maybe the Editorial Board will write on this issue of Superdelegates.
I whole-heartedly ageee with you: "These [Superdelegates] are the very same people that are part of the problem. They stay in political office way past their sell by date, raise money from lobbyists and then do their bidding. They all protest Citizen's United but that is what is keeping the incumbents and the Powerful party interests in power."
And, worse, these Superdelegates can thwart the will of the People in selecting Bernie Sanders as the Democratic Party's nominee for Presdient of the United States in the 2016 election.
I whole-heartedly ageee with you: "These [Superdelegates] are the very same people that are part of the problem. They stay in political office way past their sell by date, raise money from lobbyists and then do their bidding. They all protest Citizen's United but that is what is keeping the incumbents and the Powerful party interests in power."
And, worse, these Superdelegates can thwart the will of the People in selecting Bernie Sanders as the Democratic Party's nominee for Presdient of the United States in the 2016 election.
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Libertarian eh. Now that makes sense!
I want a mechanic, actually. I can't afford to let someone take the whole government apart and strew it all over the shop, because I need it to function. I wouldn't hire someone to fix my car who couldn't tell me if I'd be able to drive it to work the next day.
"Steely confidence" versus hyper arm waving and finger pointing. Two distinctly different approaches to debating, one more likely to convince those you are negotiating with that you know what you are talking about and are not likely to relinquish your position too easily. This distinction came through clearly last evening allowing me to be more confident in selecting a person who will devote a great portion of her time in office negotiating with members of Congress and world leaders.
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I would be surprised if there is a Sanders/Clinton or a Clinton Sanders ticket.
I truly do not think Sanders would like playing subservient as a vice president for Clinton. He is too honest for that role!
So it seems it is all or nothing for Sanders. But then you never know in politics.
Regarding the debate, Sanders was more confident and forceful and substantive.
This is the most interesting debate between presidential aspirants I ever witnessed. It actually looked like a debate on issues and philosophical differences.
I truly do not think Sanders would like playing subservient as a vice president for Clinton. He is too honest for that role!
So it seems it is all or nothing for Sanders. But then you never know in politics.
Regarding the debate, Sanders was more confident and forceful and substantive.
This is the most interesting debate between presidential aspirants I ever witnessed. It actually looked like a debate on issues and philosophical differences.
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Your bias against Sander and your brown-nosing support of the "nimble" Hillary Clinton was never more on display as it was in this article. It just makes me ill that you've thrown all objectivity out the window. And why in the world does Sanders need a "landslide victory" in NY to keep his hopes alive, given his incredible winning ways elsewhere? Just so weary of the false and misleading characterizations of Sanders and his campaign and the unctuous pandering you have for HRS. Shame on you. I'm sure I'm not the only one who's lost tremendous respect for your sophomoric coverage.
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When Sanders discussed Mrs. Clinton's poor judgment, he once again failed to mention her choice to use her private email account on a private server to handle all her official email while serving as a Secretary of State, which even President Obama recently described as very careless at best. No other cabinet member or any senior official has done that in the same manner, exclusively and deliberately as he has done. This is one of most serious examples of her lacks of exercising proper or any judgments at all, and that alone is enough to disqualify her for office of the President, and not the stuff that he has been repeating in every debate. I was so mad that he once again neglected to bring this issue up and wonder if he has been instructed by whoever not to bring it.
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Oh, that line of attack is so old and has been resoundingly debunked as irrelevant. Hillary was not the first Secretary of State to use a personal email server; Colin Powell did this too. And the so-called "classified" emails were labeled as such AFTER THE FACT; they were not classified at the time she sent/received them.
Powell absolutely did not use a private server. This Clinton camp claim has been thoroughly debunked. And that fact that the emails were not marked classified when sent is irrelevant. The standard is were *or should have been* marked classified. Think about it. If the standard was "what was it marked," one could get away with sending the nuclear launch codes as long as they did not carry a classified mark. The Clinton people are purposefully conflating two discrete processes here -- handling classified material (including ensuring it is properly marked) and responding to a FOIA request -- in order to confuse the public. The initial marking and appropriate handling is required by law by all who deal with classified material. There is a separate review to identify classified material before it is made public under FOIA. They are two completely separate and independent processes.
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Is it true that Sanders applied for conscientious objector status during the Vietnam War; his application was eventually turned down, by which point he was too old to be drafted
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Bernie's not prefect. He's stubbornly rhetorical, not articulate with factual details.
But I've known him for years. He's stubbornly honest, straightforward; unbelievably, dependably principled. Absolutely the best choice for something this country and this system needs.
Clinton may be preferable to Cruz or Trump, but she can only give us the same tired, influenced, established governing.
But I've known him for years. He's stubbornly honest, straightforward; unbelievably, dependably principled. Absolutely the best choice for something this country and this system needs.
Clinton may be preferable to Cruz or Trump, but she can only give us the same tired, influenced, established governing.
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Marty
Can you tell me how your guy Bernie is planning on paying for all of the FREE stuff he is going to give away? Obama promised a lot of free stuff so that he could get elected and we are $20TRILLION in debt!
Thank you
Can you tell me how your guy Bernie is planning on paying for all of the FREE stuff he is going to give away? Obama promised a lot of free stuff so that he could get elected and we are $20TRILLION in debt!
Thank you
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Chaz how did we pay for the GI Bill?
As per the $20 Trillion, this is the result of a foreign policy based on perpetual foreign interventions and regime changes; this policy is bankrupting us. We are way too overextended by a bloated war machine.
As per the $20 Trillion, this is the result of a foreign policy based on perpetual foreign interventions and regime changes; this policy is bankrupting us. We are way too overextended by a bloated war machine.
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We all know what we heard last night. Words/ideas never mentioned;
Freedom
Liberty
Less intrusive government
The Constitution
Why illegals have a RIGHT to my limited wealth & sweat labor
Islamist terrorism
Bigger gov = lower labor participation rates, middle class destruction
Obamacare = inceased premiums, higher deductibles, less choice
Freedom
Liberty
Less intrusive government
The Constitution
Why illegals have a RIGHT to my limited wealth & sweat labor
Islamist terrorism
Bigger gov = lower labor participation rates, middle class destruction
Obamacare = inceased premiums, higher deductibles, less choice
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I could barely stand to look at Hillary Clinton during last night's debate: her sythetic smile and smugness were repulsive. Votes for her will confirm that this country is NOT yet mature enough to recognize character (Bernie Sanders) over political posturing (Hillary Clinton).
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Well didn't remember Hillary such a hawk. And she definitely owns Libya much further right than Obama on this. Glad Sanders off to Vatican think it's a good trip for him. She was very snapish. And where are those transcripts of speeches to Goldman Sachs. She is very evasive all those paid consultants and evade evade evade. Hmmm like the emails what is she hiding. Everything she wanted to evade had a 10 minute excuse for response.
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Unless Bernie stands up to the Catholic church's violence against children, LGBT, and women's reproductive rights, as well as the obscene amount of wealth that they control, Bernie is just as much of a typical pandering politician as anyone else in the field.
I don't see how any of this keeps a Democrat in the White House. Too much tearing down is going to result in Dems staying home if their candidate does not get the nomination. Cruz, Trump, Kasich or Ryan would be a disaster for progressive policies. Someone's going to have to be the bigger man here. I'm looking at both of you, Bernie and Hillary!
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I think Sander has lots of good ideas. But What I'm afraid is his idealistic views of people, by giving away more entitlement is not the answer, people will become lazier and lazier and sooner than later we will have spend all of "the other" peoples money.
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Sanders is a child with dreams always close to a tantrum when confronted with the realities of the world. Of course, children like him. People, especially young people, don't like Hillary because she is like the Mother telling her spoiled child that, no, you can't have that because she knows how the world is. Sanders didn't get anything done in 25 years in Congress, but he had some mighty-fine positions. His socialist vision got us nowhere. Hillary has sacrificed and she has gotten things done. She is a real-world progressive, not a pie-in-the-sky child. Opposition to her by progressives is pure (though, admittedly, complicated) sexism.
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While I am still sure Clinton would be a effective president, far far better than Cruz, Trump et al, the more I see of Bernie the more I am impressed by his integrity and general goodness. Just don't know if those qualities translate into an effective president, but I would like to find out. Go Bernie.
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This debate again showed the differences between Clinton and Sanders. Sanders did very well. However, there are some facts that I wish he would bring up. I assume that he doesn't for fear of hurting the Democratic Party. The bellow are facts and not opinions.
People should be made aware that it was the Clintons who deregulated Wall Street while at the same time taking away Welfare from poor mothers and implementing a Crime Bill that lead to the disproportionate incarceration of African Americans. The financial collapse can be attributed far more to Bill Clinton (and supported by Hillary even today) than any Republican. The Republicans never could have passed the Wall Street deregulation that Bill Clinton passed with a democratic congress. The Clinton's even bragged in a memo that they did for Wall Street what Reagan couldn't do. They grew jobs for the top 10% in a bubble that grew the inequality of wealth distribution then popped.
Hillary strongly aligns herself with Obama. Obama has done some great things but he is weak on Wall Street just like the Clintons. Only 1 top executive from the largest banks has been jailed during Obama's presidency. This is criminal! Hillary loves slogans and likes to say "...no executive to big to jail." but later in the debate shows her true beliefs by indicating fines for executives with no mention of jail time.
Hillary has gone so far as to say "It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity."
People should be made aware that it was the Clintons who deregulated Wall Street while at the same time taking away Welfare from poor mothers and implementing a Crime Bill that lead to the disproportionate incarceration of African Americans. The financial collapse can be attributed far more to Bill Clinton (and supported by Hillary even today) than any Republican. The Republicans never could have passed the Wall Street deregulation that Bill Clinton passed with a democratic congress. The Clinton's even bragged in a memo that they did for Wall Street what Reagan couldn't do. They grew jobs for the top 10% in a bubble that grew the inequality of wealth distribution then popped.
Hillary strongly aligns herself with Obama. Obama has done some great things but he is weak on Wall Street just like the Clintons. Only 1 top executive from the largest banks has been jailed during Obama's presidency. This is criminal! Hillary loves slogans and likes to say "...no executive to big to jail." but later in the debate shows her true beliefs by indicating fines for executives with no mention of jail time.
Hillary has gone so far as to say "It's time for the United States to start thinking of Iraq as a business opportunity."
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Sanders followed-up any momentum he might have gained in last night’s debate with … a trip to Vatican City for the weekend!
It doesn't take an ace political strategist following the Democratic primary campaign to realize that, if he was serious about his candidacy, he would be pressing the flesh throughout N.Y. this weekend, with its “make-or-break” primary on Tuesday. Instead, he has taken himself off the board for the remaining campaigning.
Just baffling imo. Another momentum killer, self-inflicted by the Sanders campaign. It appears the comments (“not qualified”) that brought his momentum coming out of Wisconsin to a screeching halt was a lesson not learned…
It doesn't take an ace political strategist following the Democratic primary campaign to realize that, if he was serious about his candidacy, he would be pressing the flesh throughout N.Y. this weekend, with its “make-or-break” primary on Tuesday. Instead, he has taken himself off the board for the remaining campaigning.
Just baffling imo. Another momentum killer, self-inflicted by the Sanders campaign. It appears the comments (“not qualified”) that brought his momentum coming out of Wisconsin to a screeching halt was a lesson not learned…
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Baffling, yes, but maybe he is repositioning himself on the world stage as a Messenger for his causes rather than as a possible president who must get his hands dirty to actually achieve them. To my mind, much better suited to his considerable rhetorical talents and outsider status - and he could probably do more good this way.
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IMHO it seems Sanders is hoping that the Pope directly or indirectly (through the invitation) is endorsing his campaign. Will the Pope be able to sway US presidential politics? What would have happened with this invitation if Sanders was Catholic?
That may be so, but he is in the heat of a campaign that he voluntarily joined, and has nurtured a lot of supporters, many of them who are young and idealistic. They have taken to his message and have supported him with their donations, votes and time. So imo he owes it to them to take his bid seriously until the end, even if it may be a lost cause practically/mathematically speaking at this point.
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Why hasn't Bernie shared his tax return as other candidates have/ What is he hiding and how rich is he and where does his money come from? Maybe he has gotten money for speeches too or his wife. Hillary is obviously the best and most qualified candidate and showed it once again last night in spite of the sexism that has been directed at her by bernie surrogates and the news media.
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As a country we needed Secretary Clinton 8 years ago. She had the political chops to better handle the incredible mess left us by Bush and his cronies. I believe her time has passed. The curtain was lifted on Wall Street and we middle class Americans are sick of the rigged system. Sick of paying for it as we get told, by the likes of Lloyd "Bailout" Blankfein, that we will have to learn to live without the things we already paid for. Gimme a break.
Feel the Bern.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/goldman-sachs-ceo-entitlements-must-be-conta...
Feel the Bern.
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/goldman-sachs-ceo-entitlements-must-be-conta...
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Wow. What awful comments by Blankfein. No wonder Bernie's message is resonating so strongly. Thanks for directing us to the interview.
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Clinton, an über hawk and free trader has more in common with Ted Cruz
on these issues then she has with Sanders.
Clinton will be the War Party President who will continue to support regime change and Cold War baloney for corp. business interests; she will continue to gut the economy with her support of free trade deals that will result in more unemployment and destruction of the working and middle class.
How will you feel when you lose your job and your savings, fellow Dems?
Or maybe you think this won't happen to you therefore it's not important.
on these issues then she has with Sanders.
Clinton will be the War Party President who will continue to support regime change and Cold War baloney for corp. business interests; she will continue to gut the economy with her support of free trade deals that will result in more unemployment and destruction of the working and middle class.
How will you feel when you lose your job and your savings, fellow Dems?
Or maybe you think this won't happen to you therefore it's not important.
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Whether it's a President Sanders or a President Clinton that person is going to run right smack into the Republicans who control Congress and nothing is going to get done for the next four years. Whether you try to demonstrate you're a policy wonk as Ms. Clinton attempts to portray - while failing at many of those policy goals as Secretary of State such as a better Libya or Syria, all the while e-mailing classified material on her private server while her Ambassador was under attack and gets killed, but 'what difference does that matter now anyway - right?' She kinda reminds you of the Roman Emperor Nero who fiddled while Rome burned, doesn't she? Or you try to be the 'big picture' guy like Senator Sanders who can't really describe with any accuracy how he'll pay for any of his proposed programs; can figure out how to break up the big banks and indicates it's been a yuge number of years since he's ridden the subway because all you need is a token - Both are unrealistic when it comes to working with the Republicans. New Yorkers can vote for whom they please - it's not going to matter one wit.
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Mrs Clinton is ponderous, uninspiring and rude. She constantly exceeded her allotted time, regularly interrupted Sen. Sanders, evaded all challenging questions, selectively embraces and distances herself from Obama to fit the moment, and is wholly lacking in a vision for the future. It is no surprise that the young and not-so-young voters have rushed to Sanders. Many Clinton supporters cite her "experience" but can anyone name a major policy achievement in her 25 years in the spotlight. Beginning with her botched health care reform initiative when the Dems controlled both Houses of Congress, her advocacy for disastrous trade deals, her vote for the Iraq War and advocacy for nearly every military misadventure that has turned large swaths of the planet into lawless no-go zones. And then are the massive speaking fees from Wall Street and Corporate America... That is "experience" that we would be wise to avoid. After last night, I am feeling the Bern more than ever.
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This article is infuriating. When will we judge Hillary as critically as Bernie? The media and news sources should strive to be unbiased. The recent debate was the only one so far that actually challenged Hillary. The result was that most people saw how incapable she was to give a straight, honest answer. Give me a real answer!!! Can she say something that isn't just for the sake of trying to appeal or win over a new constituent group? You can't get all the claps Hillary. Bernie has consistently avoided "going there" with remarks, but when you are pushed by someone who will say anything to get a vote, you do start standing up for yourself and calling them out. You "go there". Bernie is a breathe of fresh air in a political world full of ambiguous jargon and jabs, and sold-out establishment souls who don't really care about Americans, only how to maintain the status quo. Let's bring the Democratic Party back to what it was before and not pretend like it was never able to accomplish progressive goals. When will the media stop portraying Bernie as some outsider to the party? The Democratic Party used to be LIBERAL. Unfortunately he does not get the same positive nods from news outlets as Hillary seems to unfairly receive. She must be equally scrutinized and called out.
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I can't remember her whole speech to Goldman Sachs but here is the beginning - "Dear great friends, donors, backers, former lovers, dinner party guests and my closest people who I love dearly.......I am here today to tell you how I will repay you for your friendship, love and kindness......."
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With unlimited funds, a harmonious congress, and a magic wand, the majority of Americans would likely agree with super things like free college tuition and health care for all! When Senator Sanders cites European countries, he fails to explain (and I don't understand why Secretary Clinton doesn't bring this up) that their tax rates are typically more than fifty percent. Europeans are, in fact, paying for these benefits and allowing their governments to decide what those benefits will look like.
I appreciated that, in last night's debate, Secretary Clinton kept pressing the fact that identifing problems and broad ideas for "revolution" is easy; implementing and paying for positive change is not. Her experience will move this country steadily towards improvement.
By the way, if you do find that someone has a magic wand and wants to use it to make America more generous and tolerant, please vote for that person.
I appreciated that, in last night's debate, Secretary Clinton kept pressing the fact that identifing problems and broad ideas for "revolution" is easy; implementing and paying for positive change is not. Her experience will move this country steadily towards improvement.
By the way, if you do find that someone has a magic wand and wants to use it to make America more generous and tolerant, please vote for that person.
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So.....it comes down to reality and facts versus pie n the sky and attacks without anything to back them up. Clinton has essentially won every debate and really showed why she is so much better a candidate in this one.
Clinton was ready to counter all the nonsense that has been being spewed about her and lay out a concrete way to move forward. Sanders STILL has not figured out that people are going to ask him the "how and why" questions about what he says he would super duper like to do.
Clinton was so right to challenge Sanders to show ANY instance where she has done anything to favor the special interests he so often claims she is "in the pocket of," and she was even more on the mark when she pointed out that Sanders has a long track record of being a toady for the special interest group responsible for our country being flooded with weapons.
Clinton has concrete plans to do what Sanders claims he wants, but has no plans to achieve. She is the student who always does her homework and works on the details. He is the kid who talks a great deal but has not done his homework to figure out what he is talking about first.
While Sanders was right a few weeks ago....either of them is 100 times better than any of the Republicans - lowball estimate --- Clinton is CLEARLY the stronger leader with the stronger vision. Because "vision" is nothing if you have no realistic vision on how to turn dreams into reality.
Clinton was ready to counter all the nonsense that has been being spewed about her and lay out a concrete way to move forward. Sanders STILL has not figured out that people are going to ask him the "how and why" questions about what he says he would super duper like to do.
Clinton was so right to challenge Sanders to show ANY instance where she has done anything to favor the special interests he so often claims she is "in the pocket of," and she was even more on the mark when she pointed out that Sanders has a long track record of being a toady for the special interest group responsible for our country being flooded with weapons.
Clinton has concrete plans to do what Sanders claims he wants, but has no plans to achieve. She is the student who always does her homework and works on the details. He is the kid who talks a great deal but has not done his homework to figure out what he is talking about first.
While Sanders was right a few weeks ago....either of them is 100 times better than any of the Republicans - lowball estimate --- Clinton is CLEARLY the stronger leader with the stronger vision. Because "vision" is nothing if you have no realistic vision on how to turn dreams into reality.
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“Clinton is CLEARLY the stronger leader with the stronger vision.”
Please enlighten us on Clinton’s vision for America, John. Her record doesn’t leave me optimistic.
Clinton is a neocon: see Iraq, Syria, Libya, Honduras, and Ukraine.
Clinton supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement that was written to benefit corporate America at the expense of everyone else, including the Panama deal which made it easier for corporations and the wealthy to use Panama as a tax haven.
Clinton said Dodd-Frank is strong Wall Street reform legislation. It is not and Wall Street is using their power to weaken it even further. Sanders supports breaking up the big banks and reinstating Glass-Steagall, which kept banking safe for six decades until it was repealed.
Verizon paid Clinton $225,000 for a speech that she gave in 2013. Sanders joined the striking Verizon workers; he’s no stranger to picket lines.
Please enlighten us on Clinton’s vision for America, John. Her record doesn’t leave me optimistic.
Clinton is a neocon: see Iraq, Syria, Libya, Honduras, and Ukraine.
Clinton supported virtually every disastrous trade agreement that was written to benefit corporate America at the expense of everyone else, including the Panama deal which made it easier for corporations and the wealthy to use Panama as a tax haven.
Clinton said Dodd-Frank is strong Wall Street reform legislation. It is not and Wall Street is using their power to weaken it even further. Sanders supports breaking up the big banks and reinstating Glass-Steagall, which kept banking safe for six decades until it was repealed.
Verizon paid Clinton $225,000 for a speech that she gave in 2013. Sanders joined the striking Verizon workers; he’s no stranger to picket lines.
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Sanders will be a true leader for the people and earths future. Clinton is just another destructive tool of Wall-Street, like almost every bank appointed president throughout history. Peace is easier than war, just not as profitable for the psychopaths destroying all life as the media has done an excellent job misreporting and rewriting history for the bankers that control it.
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"He listed her most controversial actions over the years, from voting to authorize the American invasion of Iraq to supporting some free-trade deals and taking $675,000 in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs. While he did not repeat his recent remark that she was unqualified to be president, he constantly edged up to the line."
Let me expand on that subject with a quote from a Times report a year ago:
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"As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.
And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock."
source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-a...
What else do we need to know about what Mrs. Clinton says publicly and what she says and collects privately? That is what she does, and that is who she really is.
Go Bernie.
Let me expand on that subject with a quote from a Times report a year ago:
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"As the Russians gradually assumed control of Uranium One in three separate transactions from 2009 to 2013, Canadian records show, a flow of cash made its way to the Clinton Foundation. Uranium One’s chairman used his family foundation to make four donations totaling $2.35 million. Those contributions were not publicly disclosed by the Clintons, despite an agreement Mrs. Clinton had struck with the Obama White House to publicly identify all donors. Other people with ties to the company made donations as well.
And shortly after the Russians announced their intention to acquire a majority stake in Uranium One, Mr. Clinton received $500,000 for a Moscow speech from a Russian investment bank with links to the Kremlin that was promoting Uranium One stock."
source: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-a...
What else do we need to know about what Mrs. Clinton says publicly and what she says and collects privately? That is what she does, and that is who she really is.
Go Bernie.
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ugh...nothing was more off-putting than the raucous shouts, booing and the "Bernie" chant by his groupies. it took me back to high school graduation where the popular jocks and cheerleaders got the whistles, cheers and loud applause and the rest got claps from their families.
not much separates them from Donald groupies.
not much separates them from Donald groupies.
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As to why Hillary is not "likable" and Bernie is "honest", here is my analogy. Politics is like a boxing match- Hillary has been in the fight for 20 plus years throwing punches and getting punched. Bernie, as an independent has been standing by the ring and providing verbal punches and counter punches. Hillary is wounded because she's been in the center of the ring. Bernie is not because he seldom got inside to fight! He faced no real opponent!
Bernie bros- the campaign is his first foray into the ring. He came in untouched and unhurt. He is doing alright now but guess what, he will get wounded too! And u can see how thin skinned he is.
Bernie bros- the campaign is his first foray into the ring. He came in untouched and unhurt. He is doing alright now but guess what, he will get wounded too! And u can see how thin skinned he is.
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You obviously know nothing about the battles he's been waging for some 30 years... most often alone, marginalized and having punches thrown at him from all sides..... never mind his youthful years of putting his life on the line. Sorry, this is one very courageous human being. And he's not trying to be tough skinned, rather open and vulnerable. That's a great strength...
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"never mind his youthful years of putting his life on the line"....
Like when he applied for 'conscientious objector' status during the war while other kids put their own lives on the line?
That's not courage. That's dodging the draft.
Like when he applied for 'conscientious objector' status during the war while other kids put their own lives on the line?
That's not courage. That's dodging the draft.
Bernie has plans based on ideas that are bigger than what may be possible currently, but if we don't elect leaders with the courage to change the status quo we will never have a chance to implement plans based on "ideal" policies. His campaign is based on a political revolution that will transcend the "box" of establishment politics enabled by voter apathy. If we begin by electing a President to lead the country away from the infestation of big money in our political system, then a paradigm shift will be set in motion. Bernie wants to return to the people the benefits that have been going to special interests and big business. Reducing Income inequality, providing healthcare for everyone, making college tuition affordable for all, lifting the limit on taxable income for social security to increase benefits, breaking up the big banks that are bigger than too big to fail, legalizing marijuana, reforming mass incarceration, and raising the minimum wage are all policies that will benefit the 99%. It is time.
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One reason Hillary is an unappealing choice to many young voters (and older ones, too) is that she doesn't fit the narrative that inspires voters to go out and cast ballots. She's simply been around for too long, has done too much-- in some sense, she's *too qualified* for the Presidency. Bernie, on the other hand, galvanizes voters because of their own narcissistic desire to find "the next big thing." They want to be part of a transformational campaign narrative that elevates the underdog to the position of ultimate power. (This is not unlike the narrative of Obama's election in 2008.) Maybe if voters stopped fetishizing Bernie's underdog narrative, they would see that the Presidency is about who is most qualified. Hillary may be old news, but she is simply the candidate best prepared for the job.
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This should be a NYT pick. You nailed it, Michael.
OR we, you know, agree with what he says.
The thing is, Bernie Sanders has been around for a long time too. He's older than Hillary Clinton, and he has spent 25 years in Congress. But his career has been relatively inconsequential, as far as I can tell. He hasn't distinguished himself as a legislative leader, nor did he become a household name by building the political revolution he talks about. Now, ironically, at age 74, he emerges as "the next big thing," almost as if he were a newcomer on the political landscape. Or as if spending 25 years in Congress as a marginal player were a badge of honor, pointing to legislation he introduced that never got passed as if it were an achievement.
Clinton is a well versed experience politician who can sleaze her way through a crowd. She is smart, experienced but not trustworthy. She tries to hide behind Obama an indication that she can't will go along with any authority offered and will not question authority. This is not a criticism of Obama. Her husband was responsible for the crime bill that put so many African Americans in jail for small offenses and created a privatized prison system that makes billions. He and she also use racist terms. African Americans should take a look at Bernie he is the real champion for equality and addressing the issues facing our racist country.
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bb, actually the omnibus crime bill caused only a small number of offenders to serve long, unfair sentences. Most people serving long sentences for "three strikes your out" sentences were prosecuted in the state systems not the federal and the states had, long before the 94 crime bill instituted such draconian sentencing practices. I opposed such sentencing practices but the problem was in the states. The federal prosecutions were not numerous from a percentage standpoint of those incarcerated. What I find interesting is how no one talked about this until the last few years. A lot of people who could care less back when it counted (same thing with the Iraq war which was very popular when started ) now are opposed to such things.
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I wish Sanders understood economics a little better and was able to explain how to break up the big banks, namely by restoring the Glass-Steagall separation between commerical and investment banking, where only commercial banks are FDIC protected. Fortunately Bernie has some excellent economic advisors who do understand this, namely William Black, who arrested and convicted hundreds of bankers in the 1980's Savings and Loan scandal which was the first result of the weakening of Glass Steagall engineered by Alan Greenspan and his Wall Street pals, and Michael Hudson, who recently finished writing the best book on economics I have ever read, "Killing the Host, Killing the Host: How Financial Parasites and Debt Bondage Destroy the Global Economy", which ends with a 10-point plan to transform our economy from the looting casino system it now is back to productivity and real economic growth. Hillary's Dodd-Frank bill is just another looting mechanism written by Wall Street. Not only is Hillary a Wall Street stooge, she is also war criminal. I will never vote for her no matter what the alternative is. That's a promise from this Democrat she can take to Goldman Sachs.
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Don't forget President Bill Clinton and his role in deregulating Wall Street...or Obama and his failure to jail those responsible for the Great Recession.
YouTube Bernie Greenspan and you will see Bernie calling out Greenspan on his flawed theory years before the financial collapse.
YouTube Bernie Greenspan and you will see Bernie calling out Greenspan on his flawed theory years before the financial collapse.
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Indeed, let us not forget either of those things. Let's not forget that Bill Clinton and Obama are as controlled by Wall Street as Hillary. We haven't seen a real FDR Democratic administration since FDR.
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Let President Sanders make Bill Black The Secretary of the Treasury and I guarantee he will quickly figure out the best way to "break up the too big to fail and too big to jail" banks:
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/category/william-k-black
http://neweconomicperspectives.org/category/william-k-black
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If you oppose Citizens United, you cannot support Hillary.
You cannot on the one hand claim special interest money is corrupting our political system and the other hand support a candidate who literally has taken through her Foundation, speaking fees and campaign donations, hundreds of millions of dollars the past 5 years from THOSE SAME SPECIAL INTERESTS.
Hillary creates bipartisan support for money controlling politics. Bernie proves individual donors can fund a campaign.
And if you really believe Hillary has not been controlled by special interest money and would not be so if elected President, there are hundreds of special interest donors who beg to differ. They don't give a dollar without expecting something in return. It's pure fantasy to believe otherwise.
You cannot on the one hand claim special interest money is corrupting our political system and the other hand support a candidate who literally has taken through her Foundation, speaking fees and campaign donations, hundreds of millions of dollars the past 5 years from THOSE SAME SPECIAL INTERESTS.
Hillary creates bipartisan support for money controlling politics. Bernie proves individual donors can fund a campaign.
And if you really believe Hillary has not been controlled by special interest money and would not be so if elected President, there are hundreds of special interest donors who beg to differ. They don't give a dollar without expecting something in return. It's pure fantasy to believe otherwise.
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Re Hillary:
What about results? Participation doesn't equal positive results.
Hillary is by far the most experienced candidate in the race, on both sides. And, she will get the nomination.
But, being the smartest person in the room -- and on the campaign trail -- means nothing to anyone who wants to know "what have you done for me, or for the country, really?"
I am tired of all of the "I did this," and "I was there in the room," and "I negotiated" statements.
For all of the "I did this..." and "I was in the room..." and "I negotiated this...," and President Obama "picked me to be Secretary of State" statements, nobody has ever asked her the following, point blank: "So, what exactly were the positive results of your participation and leadership?"
This is the big problem, in my view.
Two-term Senator, and Secretary of State.
What, exactly, did she accomplish?
Why isn't the focus on that, her actual accomplishments, during the last 20 years?
What about results? Participation doesn't equal positive results.
Hillary is by far the most experienced candidate in the race, on both sides. And, she will get the nomination.
But, being the smartest person in the room -- and on the campaign trail -- means nothing to anyone who wants to know "what have you done for me, or for the country, really?"
I am tired of all of the "I did this," and "I was there in the room," and "I negotiated" statements.
For all of the "I did this..." and "I was in the room..." and "I negotiated this...," and President Obama "picked me to be Secretary of State" statements, nobody has ever asked her the following, point blank: "So, what exactly were the positive results of your participation and leadership?"
This is the big problem, in my view.
Two-term Senator, and Secretary of State.
What, exactly, did she accomplish?
Why isn't the focus on that, her actual accomplishments, during the last 20 years?
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"So, what exactly were the positive results of your participation and leadership?" "What, exactly, did she accomplish?"
As any highly experienced politician and former this, that and those titles can attest, "It's a matter of Public Record what are positive achievements and what aren't" Subject to the vagaries of partisan interpretive spin, naturally...
As any highly experienced politician and former this, that and those titles can attest, "It's a matter of Public Record what are positive achievements and what aren't" Subject to the vagaries of partisan interpretive spin, naturally...
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I respect but do not understand your reply.
I watch every debate, and have watched many speeches/rallies, and I am very close to Hillary's age, so I have been listening to her for many years.
Wanting details from her -- publicly -- about "results," is a reasonable expectation.
I dont' care about her Resume. I want to know what, exactly, she has done, that makes her significant.
I watch every debate, and have watched many speeches/rallies, and I am very close to Hillary's age, so I have been listening to her for many years.
Wanting details from her -- publicly -- about "results," is a reasonable expectation.
I dont' care about her Resume. I want to know what, exactly, she has done, that makes her significant.
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"What, exactly, did she accomplish?"--I've been asking this question since the campaign began. All I ever get is . As you so aptly put it, Alexandra, "Participation does not equal positive results." The way I like to put it is "participation(/support/fighting for, etc.) + $2.50 will get you a ride on the subway.
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Enabling is a part of compromise. Hillary needs to release transcripts of her speeches to Wall Street denizens, speeches for which she received dangerous amounts of money.
Be discomforted by the thought that she was very likely speaking to them with the implicit intent of pleasing by teasing with various compromises that could be made to take the heat off Wall Street for the criminalities of the past and that it continues to commit. You know, restitution for her extracting embarrassing fees. Incrementalism is expensive these days.
Hillary wants Democrats (even progressive ones, maybe) and Wall Street to compromise, for a price. Trust Hillary? “Come into my parlor….” said the spider, or as Hillary might also say, “I’ll come into yours, for a price.”
Be discomforted by the thought that she was very likely speaking to them with the implicit intent of pleasing by teasing with various compromises that could be made to take the heat off Wall Street for the criminalities of the past and that it continues to commit. You know, restitution for her extracting embarrassing fees. Incrementalism is expensive these days.
Hillary wants Democrats (even progressive ones, maybe) and Wall Street to compromise, for a price. Trust Hillary? “Come into my parlor….” said the spider, or as Hillary might also say, “I’ll come into yours, for a price.”
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Either that, or as I suspect, they were just so much fluff, Don, which would make it even more obvious that the money was out-and-out bribery. Which is far more troubling that whatever can be revealed ("gasp!") by *any* candidate's tax returns, even hers.
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Those lucrative speeches loom larger and larger the longer HC refuses to release the transcripts. It was she who insisted that there be transcripts. Was she thinking about her place in history? Did she not imagine that the electorate would be curious about what she said to the likes of Goldman Sachs and other financial institutions behind closed doors that was worth $225 K a pop and added (as noted in this article) $11 million to her bank account? It is disingenuous to insist that others release their transcripts since those are GOP politicians. She is running for the Democratic nomination and her opponent said last night he would release his transcripts - none as he never gave such speeches and has not accepted even two cents from these entities. This will not go away and reminds us all of the web of half-truths HC has woven around decades of questionable behaviour going back decades to cattle futures that miraculously made a lot of money before BC was president. HC has an ingrained habit of being too lawyerly, too unwilling to be transparent, too cute by half. She is smart, a hard worker, and capable of holding the office, but still missing character attributes that make one question her suitability for the presidency: authenticity, transparency, honestly, and an openness that does not lead one to question what she is not disclosing. Of course she would be better than Trump, but if I were an American I would vote for Bernie Sanders, that rarity, an honest politician.
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8 years ago, Obama used soaring rhetoric to portray a vision for the future of America - one that was inclusive of all, regardless of color or creed.
After election, sure, he used the political capital available, but always went out of his way to be inclusive, even in the face of disrespect.
You cannot tell me that Bernie is laying out the same kind of vision for America. He divides the world into 'us' and 'them', the masses and the oppressors. Those concepts are going NOWHERE in a general election. Republicans see the world along fundamentally different axes, and like a comment I read recently said, imagine Bernie giving one of his speeches to Congress.
That momentum you think he has, is 100% theoretical, and Obama's the proof. President Sanders would be forced by Congress, to abandon all of his campaign positions - in fact, Congress would make it its mission to achieve that goal.
Look, we all want to live in a better world, and the little guy always gets a crummy deal. But the Presidency is first and foremost, the foreign policy wing of the US government. Bernie supporters really need to be pouring their zeal into Congressional races, if they want a revolution.
After election, sure, he used the political capital available, but always went out of his way to be inclusive, even in the face of disrespect.
You cannot tell me that Bernie is laying out the same kind of vision for America. He divides the world into 'us' and 'them', the masses and the oppressors. Those concepts are going NOWHERE in a general election. Republicans see the world along fundamentally different axes, and like a comment I read recently said, imagine Bernie giving one of his speeches to Congress.
That momentum you think he has, is 100% theoretical, and Obama's the proof. President Sanders would be forced by Congress, to abandon all of his campaign positions - in fact, Congress would make it its mission to achieve that goal.
Look, we all want to live in a better world, and the little guy always gets a crummy deal. But the Presidency is first and foremost, the foreign policy wing of the US government. Bernie supporters really need to be pouring their zeal into Congressional races, if they want a revolution.
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I don't know who I disdain more, the fake persona of the public Larry David or his doppelganger the real Bernie Sanders. Both represent folks I would not enjoy spending of moment with. Each is annoying to the nth degree. I've met folks like them before. Mainly here in the City where you can't begin to converse with them before they are wagging their finger at you ready to preach and "teach" you how they are always right. Sanders has been on the national stage a fraction that Hillary has and he has worn out his welcome. I could not imagine his shouting vitriol for four months let alone four years. Especially after eight years of President Obama's dulcet comforting tones even when under the greatest pressures of his job. A gentleman all the way, reminding me of JFK whom I am old enough to remember. Hillary may not be as gregarious as her husband but I believe the world-traveled savvy politico has the best resume of them all. As for her and her husband's vast accumulation of wealth, I say more power to them. The Kennedy's were far wealthier yet never forgot the common person, from John to Bobby and Teddy, all three did the best they could for all Americans. That is why I can't wait for Hillary to continue and build upon President Obama's foundation not to dismantle as Sanders proposes. Bay steps and compromise is the key not revolution.
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"Best resume" certainly does not equate to "best achievements," Dennis. Unless of course you're referring to the achievement of lining her own pockets to the tune of millions of dollars.
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Thank you Sen. Sanders for finally saying the queen has no clothes. Ms. Clinton is strongly in favor of a woman's right to be heard in sexual assault cases, unless they involve Bill Clinton. Her mendacity, influence peddling and conflicts of interest categorically disqualify her from the presidency. Sanders is truly change we can believe in.
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Yes, I remain amazed that more women aren't disturbed that Hillary sat back and let Bill and company smear and lie about all the women he was involved with. I just don't understand this. As a woman, this disqualifies her for me.
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Hillary has been providing support to future Democratic Congressmen and Senators. Yes, she needs help from American Corporations to compete with Republican competitors. She is not Mother Teresa or the Dali Lama.
Bernie is one of those annoying GMO free, recycled Ralph Nader-types.
He lives on Pluto, is not a member of the Democratic Party and gives little to no support, and is scary narcissistic like his litter mate, Donald Trump.
Bernie is one of those annoying GMO free, recycled Ralph Nader-types.
He lives on Pluto, is not a member of the Democratic Party and gives little to no support, and is scary narcissistic like his litter mate, Donald Trump.
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Throughout the debate last night, every time I heard HRC speak, I imagined the dozen or more higly-paid advisers who drummed all these stances and facts into her ears in her days of preparation. The end result was a well-versed "politician" who could be evasiive, pandering, and misleading, but on top the information. Moreover, she needed to tone it down a notch- screaming is not an indication 'of "strength of conviction".
Sanders may not be on top of every issue, but he speaks for the heart and is true to himself. This is what I want from a leader. And he has earned so many people's respect last night on his position regarding the Palestinians. Israel military taking pot shots at young Palestinian boys on a beach in Gaza during the summer of 2014 was hardly a necessary step to defend the nation of Israel.
Sanders may not be on top of every issue, but he speaks for the heart and is true to himself. This is what I want from a leader. And he has earned so many people's respect last night on his position regarding the Palestinians. Israel military taking pot shots at young Palestinian boys on a beach in Gaza during the summer of 2014 was hardly a necessary step to defend the nation of Israel.
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It appears, Sekti, that you are new to politics. Welcome! I highly recommend you spend some time getting to know the issues and details surrounding them, especially before opening your mouth.
As a 50 year old woman I have been watching Hillary advocate for women, minorities and those in need for nearly three decades. And, for those decades, she withstood the attacks of a rabid right wing So, no, I'm pretty sure she didn't need this last minute "prep" you seem to imagine.
As a 50 year old woman I have been watching Hillary advocate for women, minorities and those in need for nearly three decades. And, for those decades, she withstood the attacks of a rabid right wing So, no, I'm pretty sure she didn't need this last minute "prep" you seem to imagine.
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Sanders' supporters either don't care about gun deaths or they have not bothered to look at Sanders appalling record on firearms stretching back over many decades.
When it comes to guns, Vermont gun owners, gun sellers and gun manufacturers, and the support of the Vermont gun lobby such as the Vermont branch of the NRA, Sanders is even more unprincipled than Clinton is when it comes to speaking fees.
Clinton could at least pay back her fees if she chose. Sanders can never undo the deaths caused by guns, and by his voting five times against the Brady Bill.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generatio...
When it comes to guns, Vermont gun owners, gun sellers and gun manufacturers, and the support of the Vermont gun lobby such as the Vermont branch of the NRA, Sanders is even more unprincipled than Clinton is when it comes to speaking fees.
Clinton could at least pay back her fees if she chose. Sanders can never undo the deaths caused by guns, and by his voting five times against the Brady Bill.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2015/jul/10/generatio...
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Suing a gun manufacturer won't undo the deaths caused by guns. Just as suing a car manufacturer will not undo deaths caused by reckless driving. This faux outrage of Hillary's that Bernie wants lax standards for automatic weapons is ludicrous, and she knows it. She's no Meryl Streep, and therefore you can see the forced acting at showing concern whenever she kicks into this topic which apparently has polled well from her handlers.
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How many gun, bomb, war innocent deaths in the hundreds of thousands has Hillary been responsible for in voting for war before, during and after her bloody stint as Secretary of State!
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@Bill - You are correct. Hillary is using this to make political hay, but as a lawyer she surely appreciates and likely agrees with Bernie on this.
Another article today captures my sentiments: "Indeed, if this campaign’s debates in both parties have made one persuasive argument, it is this: We should ban debate audiences. They’re tent revivals of the converted, full of staffers and supporters whose huzzahs and boos may be heartfelt but are meaningless all the same." I find it disturbing that the loud and inane tenor of the Republican "debates" has been replicated among the Democrats. The ranting and raving of Faux news commentators has seeped deeply into our political and media environments. Shut up already!
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The most egregious mistake that Bernie and his campaign/supporters keep making is their routine dismissal of the South. Yes, most states in the South tend to go to the GOP, but dismissing Democrats in the South is a huge blunder. It's a blunder for two reasons; first, those Southern Democrats are made up largely of African Americans, a demographic that he has struggled with and second, no candidate on the left or right is taking such a position as to undermine the votes of such a large swath of people to justify their campaign. Clinton could rail that Bernie's recent streak is illegitimate because they're all caucuses, but she doesn't. Hillary has shown strength across a wide variety of states and regions such as FL, IL, MA and AZ, whereas Bernie can only point to low population, mainly white states that hold caucuses in the North. It's clear that Hillary is building the broader coalition of voters and while unlikely, if Bernie were to get the nomination, he's not doing himself or the Democratic party any favors by dismissing such a large group of voters. Come November, the Democrats need to be united and Bernie is making that increasingly difficult.
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So the choices are: Hillary the insider / member of the 1% -Goldman Sachs puppet, Bernie idealistic, impractical and unelectable, Trump, a blow hard, Cruz a doctrinaire, uncompromising, know it all and Kasich a "establishment" clown.
Some choices ! What we need is "none of the above " if this is the best we can produce no wonder this country is doomed ... real leaders do not enter US politics, hence we get second rate line of Congo dancers.
Some choices ! What we need is "none of the above " if this is the best we can produce no wonder this country is doomed ... real leaders do not enter US politics, hence we get second rate line of Congo dancers.
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Americans do not want a party politician as the next President. People are beginning to realize how much they are feed-up with the powerbrokers money that controls the establishment. Hillary cannot hide her corruption by lying. That is why Sanders will continue getting votes and that is why Trump will also get votes, because he is not of the political establishment.
When Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton running neck and neck went out of their way to hold a private meeting in Northern Virginia, which also just happens to be the scene of the 2008 Bilderberg meeting. Two days later, Hillary withdrew from the race and Obama became the Democratic Party’s presidential candidate. Did Bilderberg make Hillary “an offer she couldn’t refuse” to clear the way for Obama to the White House? Did they promise her that she would become his Secretary of State and perhaps the presidency?
Hillary’s cover-up of shipping arms out of Libya to terrorists in the Middle East was a direct violation of “International Law”, which in my opinion makes her not just a lying puppet for the rich and powerful, but a criminal.
When Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton running neck and neck went out of their way to hold a private meeting in Northern Virginia, which also just happens to be the scene of the 2008 Bilderberg meeting. Two days later, Hillary withdrew from the race and Obama became the Democratic Party’s presidential candidate. Did Bilderberg make Hillary “an offer she couldn’t refuse” to clear the way for Obama to the White House? Did they promise her that she would become his Secretary of State and perhaps the presidency?
Hillary’s cover-up of shipping arms out of Libya to terrorists in the Middle East was a direct violation of “International Law”, which in my opinion makes her not just a lying puppet for the rich and powerful, but a criminal.
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Bernie still does not offer specifics and that is because, he does not really know how to implement his sweeping changes. To me, his ideas sound good but are not achievable with out a progressive Congress; thus these ideas are only a pipe dream.
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“If we are ever going to bring peace to that region,” Mr. Sanders said, “we are going to have to treat the Palestinian people with respect and dignity.”
It is disheartening to me that such a statement has been deemed controversial. Regardless of "who started it first" type arguments, Palestinian people are indeed human beings, deserving of the same respect and dignity that all human beings (including us Jews) are entitled to.
The fact that Secretary Clinton cannot bring herself to affirm this basic truth - Palestinians are people too - (which she probably believes, but apparently does not have the gumption to state publicly) makes me uneasy about her candidacy. And, it makes me sad.
It is disheartening to me that such a statement has been deemed controversial. Regardless of "who started it first" type arguments, Palestinian people are indeed human beings, deserving of the same respect and dignity that all human beings (including us Jews) are entitled to.
The fact that Secretary Clinton cannot bring herself to affirm this basic truth - Palestinians are people too - (which she probably believes, but apparently does not have the gumption to state publicly) makes me uneasy about her candidacy. And, it makes me sad.
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Well Chozick your candidate continues to defy a popular call for her to release her Goldman Sachs pep talk, despite repeated demands for her to do so. You and the NY Times will, regardless of the election outcome, continue to bear the legacy of you misguided decision to take sides in what should remain separate from your avowed goal to report the news, but not be part of it. Your legacy will be one of utter failure.
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Israel and Palestine: the overriding moral issue of our day. Hillary? A "W" type pandering. Sanders has a more equitable approach that could lead to (don't hold your breath) a solution.
Health care? Hillary aims very low, Sanders aims for the sky: which do you think could bring about a better outcome?
Normally, I'd think a progressive like Sanders is too left (though he's really not, in absolute terms, merely so in this most conservative of all developed nations) to prevail over a typical Republican in the general election--- but this year appears different.
Health care? Hillary aims very low, Sanders aims for the sky: which do you think could bring about a better outcome?
Normally, I'd think a progressive like Sanders is too left (though he's really not, in absolute terms, merely so in this most conservative of all developed nations) to prevail over a typical Republican in the general election--- but this year appears different.
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Israel and Palestine the" overriding moral issue of our day"? Are you kidding? What about the rights of Jews or Christians in surrounding countries? Ever heard of the Yazidis? Ever heard of Isis or Assad? How about the Anti-Jewish hate spread by Hamas? You think that hate began in 1948? What about the pogroms against Jews in Palestine in 1834, that's right 1834, and in 1929? What about slaughter of Non-Sunnis by Sunnis, or funding or terrorist armies by Shiites? What about women's rights throughout the Middle East? How about mutilation of women throughout the Middle East and Africa? How about the slaughter of innocents in many countries in Africa? Hey, don't those Kurds need a homeland of their own so that they can protect themselves? No, its Israel/Palestine that really matters most. I would laugh if it weren't so sad.
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to bad sen. sanders is such a nice guy,, he made his con-merchant opponent get away with murder... she says she loves Brooklyn, it great... sen. sanders says nothing, when he should have said, he knows how great Brooklyn is because he was lucky enough to be born and raised in Brooklyn..he should have been more forceful in getting her to release the embarrassing smoking gun pandering speech she gave to steal over 200 grand from ''goldman sachs... I also would have mentioned that her son-in-law runs a hedge fund that Lloyd blankfen of g.s. invested tens of million in... he should have mentioned all the ramifications that her tragic vote for the Iraq fiasco as caused with no end in sight.. its not enough just to say he voted against and she voted for... this vote alone disqualifies her for the presidency... this goes for all the republican candidates who also would have had the poor judgment to vote for this never ending nighthmare... not one ounce of compassion for the Palestinians... she even had the nerve [and got away with it too] to say with a straight face that Israel [Sharon] gave the keys back to Gaza and look what they did with it? .. Gaza wasn't theirs to give... their were 7,500 Israeli ''settlers'' being protected by 22,000 i.d.f. , going to school in windowless armored vehicles, making breakfast with machine guns around their torsos ,etc.Pal. pressure, and this is why Israel withdrew from Gaza... it had nothing to do kindness.
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One thing I am sure of is that Senator Sanders will not appoint as his Treasury Secretary, someone from Wall Street.
With Hillary I am not so sure. Especially because I cannot see the transcripts!
With Hillary I am not so sure. Especially because I cannot see the transcripts!
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What is more personal & private? Your tax return, or a transcript of a speech you made to 50 or 60 people? Yet Hillary HAS released her tax returns but Sanders and Trump have not. So she thinks it's great that she released her tax returns and was totally wiling to do so before other candidates, yet she hides behind the "I'll release transcripts of speeches when everyone else does". Must be some HUUUGE problems in those speeches. I would imagine that the Donald is shrewdly waiting till he is the nominee and it's just Hillary and him, then he releases whatever transcripts he has of Wall Street speeches and then it's every day: "Hillary, I've released my transcripts, where are yours??"
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Great point!
I'll just add another scary scenario. Isn't it possible that someone could have easily taken their phone and filmed one of her many speeches, just like they did with Romney? What if these videos are out there somewhere waiting to be released in the general election, when this would torpedo the Democrats and her candidacy (just like what happened to Romney). To eliminate this absolutely terrifying possibility, the Democratic electorate really needs to see what's in those transcripts before it's too late!!!
Before people call me a conspiracy theorist -- this is exactly what happened to Romney in the very last presidential election. We need to see those transcripts!!!!
I'll just add another scary scenario. Isn't it possible that someone could have easily taken their phone and filmed one of her many speeches, just like they did with Romney? What if these videos are out there somewhere waiting to be released in the general election, when this would torpedo the Democrats and her candidacy (just like what happened to Romney). To eliminate this absolutely terrifying possibility, the Democratic electorate really needs to see what's in those transcripts before it's too late!!!
Before people call me a conspiracy theorist -- this is exactly what happened to Romney in the very last presidential election. We need to see those transcripts!!!!
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Her contract with Goldman Sachs specified that her speeches were not to be recorded.
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I agree with Mr Lockmiller and the NY Times editorial staff. Release the transcripts of Hilary's speeches to Wall St Exec's that added $11 Million to her election coffers and let the public decide whether she was pandering to Wall St. Remember it was the speech by Mitt Romney that was suppose to be behind closed doors that sank his bid for the presidency; the famous "47 percent" comments. Hilary, what are you hiding?
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So, let's see: Bernie implied (strongly) that Hillary is a racist by saying that "everyone knows" that superpredator is a racist term. Bernie said that the Southern states that voted for Hillary are irrelevant because they are too conservative (and maybe too black?). I guess only the states that vote, more accurately caucus, for Bernie are to be considered valid results. Bernie wants to "break up the big banks." And, then what? Replace them with smaller banks? Like the Savings & Loans that bilked millions of dollars from regular folks in the mid-80's?
Biden's great line re Giuliani's idea of a sentence being a noun, a verb and 9/11 could easily be modified for Bernie. Millionaires & Billionaires; Wall Street crooks; Goldman Sachs speaking fees; HRC voted for the Iraq War; HRC is married to the guy who signed the '94 crime bill (that Bernie supported).
Bernie want a cracker?
Biden's great line re Giuliani's idea of a sentence being a noun, a verb and 9/11 could easily be modified for Bernie. Millionaires & Billionaires; Wall Street crooks; Goldman Sachs speaking fees; HRC voted for the Iraq War; HRC is married to the guy who signed the '94 crime bill (that Bernie supported).
Bernie want a cracker?
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Mr. Sanders is not going to get anything done in a divided Congress. His "revolutions" will only be a slogan. Nothing will get done and more people will be disappointed.
Yes, you can have universal health care and free education like Canada or countries in Europe... but what Mr. Sanders does not tell you is that those countries impose (on all) high degree of direct (income tax) and indirect (sales tax) taxes to pay for those freebies. How many Americans will put up with that?...go figure... Would you pay $6 per gallon for your gas? or 15% sales tax on you clothing. It is time Sander's supporters people came out of the bubble and gave his proposals a hard scrutiny. Who is going to pay for all is lofty ideals?
Yes, you can have universal health care and free education like Canada or countries in Europe... but what Mr. Sanders does not tell you is that those countries impose (on all) high degree of direct (income tax) and indirect (sales tax) taxes to pay for those freebies. How many Americans will put up with that?...go figure... Would you pay $6 per gallon for your gas? or 15% sales tax on you clothing. It is time Sander's supporters people came out of the bubble and gave his proposals a hard scrutiny. Who is going to pay for all is lofty ideals?
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His proposals call for raising taxes only on those making $250,000 or more a year.
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There are times when the only reasonable response is sarcasm. I understand that there are those who would prefer to just let our military, industry, and big finance run rough-shod over the planet and over people less fortunate than themselves as long as the politicians keep up a "respectable" face at home. But that's not what the American people need or want anymore. We want truth and justice.
One Democratic candidate became a multi-millionaire through speeches to big finance firms, then claims that she will represent the average American when the going gets tough....but acts condescending and evasive to people actually calling her out on it.
One Democratic candidate accepts millions of dollars from the fossil fuel industry and claims it is a blatant lie when Greenpeace calls them out on it. This same candidate also supports fracking from day one and then expects us to believe that they will fight a fossil fuel industry dragging us into worldwide ecosystem collapse.
One Democratic candidate accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from the private prison industry (until they realized people were actually paying attention this time around). This candidate then claims to represent working people and prison reform. The list could goes terribly on and on...
I _truly_ hope that we wake up from this foggy nightmare of corporate Democrat obfuscation and wake up to the real issues we need to face.
One Democratic candidate became a multi-millionaire through speeches to big finance firms, then claims that she will represent the average American when the going gets tough....but acts condescending and evasive to people actually calling her out on it.
One Democratic candidate accepts millions of dollars from the fossil fuel industry and claims it is a blatant lie when Greenpeace calls them out on it. This same candidate also supports fracking from day one and then expects us to believe that they will fight a fossil fuel industry dragging us into worldwide ecosystem collapse.
One Democratic candidate accepted hundreds of thousands of dollars from the private prison industry (until they realized people were actually paying attention this time around). This candidate then claims to represent working people and prison reform. The list could goes terribly on and on...
I _truly_ hope that we wake up from this foggy nightmare of corporate Democrat obfuscation and wake up to the real issues we need to face.
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It's sad but along the way Bernie's young supporters went from optimistic dreamers to entitled whiners.
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And, listening to the tone of your comment, they must have learned it from you and other HRC supporters. Speaking of entitlement, it's evident in HRC's frustration that her anointment to the throne of the democratic nomination - so rudely snatched away from her back in 2008 by that non-establishment upstart Barack Obama - is not complete yet. What makes me mad about HRC and the DNC is that they both went into the primary season thinking she is owed the nomination. She played the game; she raised gobs of money; she did all the right things EXCEPT.... listen to what the voters really want.
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Yet again for the umpteenth time Bernie sanders when asked about his foreign policy says " She voted for Iraq war and I did not"..that is simplistic repetitious answer and Mr. Sanders needs to move away from it.
Both of them are powerful force and needs to join together whoever becomes the nominee to beat any Republican candidate Donald Trump. Secretary Clinton has already proved that she can. So all eyes are on Bernie Sanders now to show that he can too.
Ted Cruz will not be the nominee all his scandals are going to surface now since Mr. Cruz was never vetted.
Both of them are powerful force and needs to join together whoever becomes the nominee to beat any Republican candidate Donald Trump. Secretary Clinton has already proved that she can. So all eyes are on Bernie Sanders now to show that he can too.
Ted Cruz will not be the nominee all his scandals are going to surface now since Mr. Cruz was never vetted.
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last night's debate and the reaction to it today, has restored my faith in our democratic system.
If elected, I hope Bernie Sanders can reform the so-called Democratic Party.
If elected, I hope Bernie Sanders can reform the so-called Democratic Party.
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I'm married to an adamant Bernie supporter, and I'm comfortably in the Clinton camp. Just want to remind all of you who think Bernie is the one true way forward, that when Clinton cinches the Democratic nomination, she is going to look like a million bucks standing across from whatever flim-flam the Republicans vomit up.
Additionally, Clinton completely mopped the floor with Bernie in Republican strongholds, and if you want to win a national election, that is how you do it.
Finally, I'm going to have to let my wife learn through experience, that Bernie is a one-note singer. Sure, it's a nice note, but Obama has laid the template for making accomplishments during deep polarization, and that pathway is deeply technical and pragmatic. Bernie simply doesn't have the chops to follow that lead.
Additionally, Clinton completely mopped the floor with Bernie in Republican strongholds, and if you want to win a national election, that is how you do it.
Finally, I'm going to have to let my wife learn through experience, that Bernie is a one-note singer. Sure, it's a nice note, but Obama has laid the template for making accomplishments during deep polarization, and that pathway is deeply technical and pragmatic. Bernie simply doesn't have the chops to follow that lead.
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Perhaps I'm a contrarian, but I do not view Sanders as some form of idealist proposing the undoable. National health insurance/universal coverage was part of FDR's New Deal, and advocated by Truman, LBJ and Humphrey. Affordable education, which now means something beyond high school, as the means to economic security is a traditional Democratic Party principle. (An aside - here in NY Gov. Thomas Dewey, a Republican, started the SUNY system, and in NYC CUNY was once tuition-free.) A minimum wage, indeed a living wage, which recognizes that all honest work has inherent value. Isn't his simple call for dignity and respect for Palestinians in fact grounded in Wilson's concept of self-determination for all people? Rectifying the accelerating concentration of wealth and assets in the hands of fewer and fewer not only provides greater prosperity, but ultimately will sustain our system of consumer capitalism.
These are all traditional and integral parts of the pragmatic and achievable policies that lie at the foundation of the modern Democratic Party.
These are all traditional and integral parts of the pragmatic and achievable policies that lie at the foundation of the modern Democratic Party.
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Hillary Clinton has a "plan" for everything. Just look at her website. And she mentioned a number of these "plans" last night. Some of her "plans" are new, created in response to broad support shown for them when they've been made campaign themes by her opponent, Bernie Sanders.
Here's hoping she releases the Wall Street speech transcripts. Then we'll see what her plans really are.
Here's hoping she releases the Wall Street speech transcripts. Then we'll see what her plans really are.
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I seriously doubt her speeches got in to the kind of policy discussion which could convey what her plans were. She probably said nice things about the people she was addressing and she does not want the transcripts released - if there are any - because she knows the voters do not want to hear nice things said about bankers. They tend to view things in black-and-white terms and will hold it against her if they see she was cordial to them.
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Plus that would make it obvious that the large sums were pure bribery, Jonathan.
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Ellen politicians are known to speak one way with one group, another way with another group. They pander to each group. They become chameleons so that they are perceived as like minded to their audience. They want to be "liked", they want to be popular. Hillary may be good at her job, she might take just half a day to get down to business if she gets elected to the WH, but she will never be authentic, genuine and true to herself. By standing by Bill she has send a message to daughters, forgive your spouse if he looks the other way, accept him for his shortcomings because he has a brilliant mind, everything else is unimportant.
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Ladies, were you paying attention last night. Did you see the look of disdain on Senator Sanders face when Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton was speaking? Did you see him constantly wag his finger trying to get attention? Did you hear him ridicule her for "talking to the people at Wall Street"? All of those, and many more, are the male way of trying to make women seem inconsequential. Interrupting, ignoring, acting superior are other ways and I'm sure all women have encountered plenty more. Have you ever been told by a man in a meeting to be quiet because what you had to say was not important? Women need to think about these things and MUST support
Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton as the next President of the United States of America because SHE IS THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE WITH THE MOST NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL CAPITAL AND SHE IS A WOMAN. This is the first time in the 240 year HIS story of America that women and the men who love them have had a courageous, strong, capable, compassionate woman to elect and NOW is the time! Let's make it
OUR story.
Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton as the next President of the United States of America because SHE IS THE MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE WITH THE MOST NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL CAPITAL AND SHE IS A WOMAN. This is the first time in the 240 year HIS story of America that women and the men who love them have had a courageous, strong, capable, compassionate woman to elect and NOW is the time! Let's make it
OUR story.
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njglea@seattle: I'm a woman & respectively ask you to stop yelling & hollering in all your comment posts. Thank you!
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I'm not yelling. Yelling would be what Senator Sanders does. I'm making points with all caps. Sorry if it offends you.
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You saw only what you wanted to see, the rights of equality include just and proper criticism, and there is much of Secretary Clintons long public life that is subject to such criticism. From her connections years ago to Walmart including a board position to her pandering to Wall Street financial predators as a New York senator her connections to and service of wealth is obvious. Then there is her work as Secretary of State which includes the Libya failures, her choice of Henry Kissinger (many of us consider him a war criminal) as an advisor as well as other questionable decisions and policies. I also remember well her poorly informed vote on the Iraq war. She has a life time of calculated choices and many are positive as well, but neither that or her gender give her a pass on criticism and she gave as well as she got and doesn't need your gender based defense.
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Sanders was a governor used to dealing with budgets and opposition politicians. Vermont is no easy state to govern.
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Except that he was never a governor. He was the mayor of Burlington, which at that time had a population under 40,000. He has been in Congress for decades with very little to show for it.
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Sanders was never the governor of Vermont. He was the mayor of Burlington before he was elected to Congress.
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NY Times, you called Sanders Aggressive! !!! I have to question your reporting and bias. Did you time this debate, and mention the poor time management of CNN.... the fact that Hillary went on and on with all her talking points every chance she could, talking over Sanders and the moderators, throughout the debate... again! Aggressive indeed. And you label Sanders as sarcastic?! and not Clinton with her snides and attacks.
One thing is for sure (among many things) if we got to hear any of the speeches she made behind closed doors, just one, which we have asked for... this would not be a close election.
Another important point for NY's closed primary is NONE of the youth who've been inspired can vote unless they registered before last October, over 6 months ago.
And yes, Mr. Sanders and many economists know what and how Wall Street needs to be broken up and regulated.... which will add more jobs, not less. Why not quote what some of them have been saying, i.e. Reich etc.
And why not report on what he told Verizon's CEO about this huge strike going on in our midst? Workers in America need to hear it.
Why not show some quotes of the feminists and women leaders for Bernie at his rally on Wednesday night? Why not quote some of what New Yorkers Spike Lee and Tim Robbins had to say? The public are getting a very very narrow view, one that you have exemplified.
One thing is for sure (among many things) if we got to hear any of the speeches she made behind closed doors, just one, which we have asked for... this would not be a close election.
Another important point for NY's closed primary is NONE of the youth who've been inspired can vote unless they registered before last October, over 6 months ago.
And yes, Mr. Sanders and many economists know what and how Wall Street needs to be broken up and regulated.... which will add more jobs, not less. Why not quote what some of them have been saying, i.e. Reich etc.
And why not report on what he told Verizon's CEO about this huge strike going on in our midst? Workers in America need to hear it.
Why not show some quotes of the feminists and women leaders for Bernie at his rally on Wednesday night? Why not quote some of what New Yorkers Spike Lee and Tim Robbins had to say? The public are getting a very very narrow view, one that you have exemplified.
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Give me a break people, what person is going to turn down big money for a speech? No one, including Bernie. The only reason he makes it one of his talking points is because he was never invited to do the same. Another talking point, that she voted for this or voted for, that's all hindsight. In today's light maybe she wouldn't vote for some of those things - but at the time she thought they had merit and so did the majority of those that voted. And Bernie keeps harping on busting of the big banks. Just what is that going to achieve? Allow them to become smaller so they can then be bought by larger foreign banks? If there is something specific that Bernie has in mind that the banks are doing wrong then address that. But to just keep shouting that Wall Street and the Big Banks are the source of all our problems and need to be broke up without any need to look at the consequences of that action is irresponsible. And a free college education for everyone. How about financial help for those that need it? Seems to me that people do better when they have some skin in the game. If it's free, no skin, no responsibility. The worst of it though is that Bernie's plan raises taxes on everyone and we still go deeper into debt. I'm sorry, I'd love to live in a world where everything was free and everybody spent their evenings singing Kumbaya, but Bernie's pipe dream lacks a necessary ingredient, reality.
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To Perry,
Of course Sander's is never invited. That's the point.
Of course Sander's is never invited. That's the point.
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Youre right - that is the point. We don't usually invite people into our homes that want to tear them down. But just because some people are invited doesn't make them nefarious as Bernie insinuates.
I miss the era in which the League of Women Voters ran the debates and this style of obnoxious, sports-type crowd would have been silenced or escorted out of the building.
Wolf Blitzer is HORRIBLE and the questioners were not much better, going after all the gotcha stuff. Good for Hillary for bringing up a woman's right to choose at the end of the debate, and good for Bernie for supporting us, too.
Could we bring Jim Lehrer back for the general election debates?
Wolf Blitzer is HORRIBLE and the questioners were not much better, going after all the gotcha stuff. Good for Hillary for bringing up a woman's right to choose at the end of the debate, and good for Bernie for supporting us, too.
Could we bring Jim Lehrer back for the general election debates?
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Did the writer watch the same debate I did? Secretary Clinton was an embarrassment, humiliated by the truths and logic forcefully put forth by Senator Sanders. She fought back, surely, but she did it with double-talk and misdirection, almost never answering the questions posed. Mark my words. When the dust settles, this debate will be known as the point in time when Sanders snatched New York, and the eventual nomination, from Clinton's supposedly unclenchable fist.
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Bernie often pointed out Clinton's failure to directly answer questions, which was fair enough. But to me, the most illuminating part of the debate was when Bernie failed to directly answer the question of whether he is actually a Democrat. Bernie responded, "why else would I be running for the Democratic nomination?" I suppose this was meant as a rhetorical question, but in fact Bernie himself has previously explained that he decided to run for the Democratic nomination for pragmatic reasons, rather than some new-found identification with Democratic Party principles, after literally decades of holding office and identifying as an "independent socialist". In other words, the answer to the question is no, Bernie is not actually a Democrat. And he shouldn't be the Democratic nominee.
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I'm going to go blunt here since nothing else seems to be getting through to the Democratic establishment elite. For better or worse, Clinton is, simply put, out for herself. And her Clinton dynasty money-maker 'machine'.
Sanders, on the other hand, is out for re-establishing the fabric that used to care about and for the working and dying middle class.
Let's face it, the future is about our children and their survival in an increasingly economic hostile landscape, set up decades ago by a cynical collaboration of political charlatans. That HAS to change. #NotforSale.
Sanders, on the other hand, is out for re-establishing the fabric that used to care about and for the working and dying middle class.
Let's face it, the future is about our children and their survival in an increasingly economic hostile landscape, set up decades ago by a cynical collaboration of political charlatans. That HAS to change. #NotforSale.
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Your comment is spot on. I can't believe the number of people who've convinced themselves to be OK with the "dynasty money-maker 'machine'". I'd really like to see their thought processes broken out into a flowchart or something. And they think people who support Bernie believe in unicorns.
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I am always bemused when commenters speak decisively to the personal motivations that fuel elected officials. Your comments are not only blunt, they have no basis in verifiable facts. Your entire comment should be prefaced with " In my opinion it seems that...."
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I'll be blunt too :) I can't understand how people think Hillary Clinton is only out for herself & not the American people. Just because people have money does not make them out only for themselves (unless you are Donald Trump - totally out for himself). I also think that Hillary Clinton & Bernie Sanders share a lot of the same ideals. I think they've both said as much. I have enjoyed listening to Bernie speak & debate until recently when he started attacking Ms. Clinton - being sarcastic towards her & condescending. Now I'm just not interested in him any more. And my feeling is that Hillary is more likely to make many of the values they share come about.
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Hillary Clinton has an almost pathological inability to answer a question directly, and she seems to have no clue how important it is that she clear the air on topics where people have deep concerns about her. I think she works hard and has thought through her positions much more deeply than Bernie Sanders, and I can agree with her on many of her positions. But she doesn’t make it easy to like her.
Her refusal to divulge the content of her Goldman Sachs speeches completely undermines her credibility. But her repeated position that she will release the transcripts sets herself up for the repeated slam-dunk from Sanders that he has already released his, because there were no speeches. She just perpetuates the impression that she has something to hide. Either release them, or give an explanation like, the content contains proprietary information that cannot be made public.
Similarly, on the minimum wage, why can’t she just simply say, “I believe that we need to get to $15 eventually, but I don’t think it’s realistic (for whatever reason) to do it overnight, so we will first raise it to $12.50 and then raise it to $15 in stages, prioritizing those areas with the highest cost of living?”
With all the tens of millions of dollars that Hillary is spending on her campaign, why can’t she find a good communication consultant to give her honest feedback about how she keeps shooting herself in the foot?
Her refusal to divulge the content of her Goldman Sachs speeches completely undermines her credibility. But her repeated position that she will release the transcripts sets herself up for the repeated slam-dunk from Sanders that he has already released his, because there were no speeches. She just perpetuates the impression that she has something to hide. Either release them, or give an explanation like, the content contains proprietary information that cannot be made public.
Similarly, on the minimum wage, why can’t she just simply say, “I believe that we need to get to $15 eventually, but I don’t think it’s realistic (for whatever reason) to do it overnight, so we will first raise it to $12.50 and then raise it to $15 in stages, prioritizing those areas with the highest cost of living?”
With all the tens of millions of dollars that Hillary is spending on her campaign, why can’t she find a good communication consultant to give her honest feedback about how she keeps shooting herself in the foot?
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Hillary Clinton was informed, eloquent, feisty and has a practical knowledge of how world politics work. Sanders, has no clue. When he accused Hillary of having influence on big banks, Sanders went catatonic...he could not come up with proof of his accusation. Bernie Sanders remains beholden to NRA for the help he got from them on his second run for senator. He voted against the Brady Bill FIVE TIMES. When anyone runs for the highest office in the land, TAX RETURNS are supposed to be made public! FREE TUITION? FREE HEALTH CARE? How are we going to pay for these? DUH! His pipe dreams come with no justifiable plans to implement them. Bernie knows nothing about deregulating banks, much less the process by which this can be done. If Bernie is so efficient, why has he not introduced and passed any but one bill in his entire career? I would like to see someone who is a fighter against terrorism, against discrimination, against big business, against racial inequality, against poverty, etc. I want a champion for civil rights, women's choice, ending racial profiling, infrastructure, a strong economy with jobs that pay well, environmental and global warming...someone who realizes that compromise and bringing people together for the benefit of all is achievable. Hillary Clinton has fought all of her public life for the common good and continues to confront any challenge with a spirit that speaks well of what this country espouses...
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This morning I've read accounts in 3 different newspapers of last night's debate,
leaving me wondering if the writers were all viewing a different debate than what I watched (briefly, couldn't stand the whole shebang!) This NYT description has the typical NYT favorability slant for Mrs. Clinton, and describes
Senator Sanders in a more negative fashion, as usual! In spite of the NYT I have already voted for Bernie, but if Hillary wins the nomination I'll vote for her.
leaving me wondering if the writers were all viewing a different debate than what I watched (briefly, couldn't stand the whole shebang!) This NYT description has the typical NYT favorability slant for Mrs. Clinton, and describes
Senator Sanders in a more negative fashion, as usual! In spite of the NYT I have already voted for Bernie, but if Hillary wins the nomination I'll vote for her.
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Watching the show, I wished I had timed the number of minutes Clinton rolled past her cutoffs, stepping on and over Sanders' lines. When he spoke she wore an expression of disgust, or a smirk, or openly laughed at what he'd just said. It doesn't surprise me to hear explanations from her supporters that her behavior was caused by Sanders' insistence on speaking against her positions on foreign policy and the economy. She reliably seems offended when challenged, and her fans are following her lead.
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In democracies of the developing world, there are seldom civic debates among the leading contesting candidates as in the USA, Canada or elsewhere in the West. However, wherever debates take place, the opposing sides mobilize their supporters and put them in the venue for just one purpose -- to cheer their leaders and boo the other side. The debate last night was like that where both the candidates and the questioners had to yell at the top of their voice and still they had difficulty putting their points across. In one word, it was a raucous. Both candidates handled rather well, but Hillary did stave off attacks and in the face of the pro-Sanders boos maintained her composure. Bernie was right on the Isreael-Palestine issue, whereas Hillary was strong on women's right to choose and the SC appointment. The difficulty with her is that she has a baggage of her resume and, as a centrist, she tries to be every thing to every one. Bernie, on the other hand, is a single-issue candidate, as Hillary insists. But Bernie successfully demonstrated that Hillary will be more inclined to favor the big corporate interest that influences the elections in America than the shrinking middle or lower-middle class, although he couldn't readily quote cases where she has favored in her career the big interests. Interestingly, there are couple of things common to the campaigns of Sanders and Trump -- both of them are "outsiders" and against the role of rich people's influence of purse on politics.
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Hillary lied during the debate when she said that she worked to wean the world off of coal as an energy source, as SoS. The truth is she lobbied FOR giant, dirty coal plants in South Africa and other places. Plus, donors to the Clinton Foundation got the construction contracts for building the coal plants
http://desmogblog.com/2016/03/07/hillary-clinton-showed-support-associat...
http://desmogblog.com/2016/03/07/hillary-clinton-showed-support-associat...
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Bernie Sanders has become as big a jerk as Donald Trump.Incrementalism might get some things done. Sanders will get nothing done.
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Being a California resident, I would like to see Hillary's Goldman Sachs speech transcript before the California Primary on June 7, not after. Even in the remote chance she stops stonewalling everyone's effort to see these transcripts in time for my state's primary, almost every other state will have had their primary first. It is for reasons like this, that I champion Bernie Sanders' urgency behind the matter of election reform. I have always felt that all the primaries should be conducted on the same day, in June, after the debate cycles are over. Why should a few chosen states, often sparsely populated when compared to big states, have more sway than the big states, thereby biasing media coverage, sometimes months in advance of the big states? The system desperately needs an overhaul. We Americans deserve the chance to learn about all the issues, and absorb the unfoldment of facts and conditions, in advance of choosing a primary candidate.
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Hillary Clinton essentially used her State Department position to reward big donors to the Clinton Foundation. The quid pro quo was appalling and included huge arms sales to regimes like Algeria with terrible human rights records.
She failed to disclose many huge foreign donors, in violation of all ethical guidelines. Her emails show that after getting these donations, she broke her campaign promise to oppose the trade agreement with Colombia. After the donations, she lobbied and voted for it, with Republicans and against all democrats.
She pressured Obama for regime change in Libya, against the advice of Gates, Biden, etc. It was a huge blunder and left Libya in chaos. ISIS quickly moved in.
Her emails show how she defied Obama's directive to ban Sydney Blumenthal from official business. Instead, she maintained continual email contact with Blumenthal, who had business interests in Libya, and appeared to rely on Blumenthal for her intel re: Libya.
Hillary has hinted that she will means test Social Security. Bill Clinton already started the Means Testing by levying a tax on benefits.
Hillary is dishonest and unethical. Worst of all, she considers Kissinger her role model.
She failed to disclose many huge foreign donors, in violation of all ethical guidelines. Her emails show that after getting these donations, she broke her campaign promise to oppose the trade agreement with Colombia. After the donations, she lobbied and voted for it, with Republicans and against all democrats.
She pressured Obama for regime change in Libya, against the advice of Gates, Biden, etc. It was a huge blunder and left Libya in chaos. ISIS quickly moved in.
Her emails show how she defied Obama's directive to ban Sydney Blumenthal from official business. Instead, she maintained continual email contact with Blumenthal, who had business interests in Libya, and appeared to rely on Blumenthal for her intel re: Libya.
Hillary has hinted that she will means test Social Security. Bill Clinton already started the Means Testing by levying a tax on benefits.
Hillary is dishonest and unethical. Worst of all, she considers Kissinger her role model.
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Two extremely old, tired, and boring candidates, without a whiff of charisma between them.
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who are electing: someone who has the right judgement and courage to stand up to the power-to-be, or some good-looking, young actor?
That was what has been wrong about our country: the fate of the country should not be determined by such superficial thing as age or looks ( what you call charisma).
By the way, charisma is relative.
That was what has been wrong about our country: the fate of the country should not be determined by such superficial thing as age or looks ( what you call charisma).
By the way, charisma is relative.
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Youth and beauty are not accomplishments, Kevin.
They are the product of DNA and time.
They are the product of DNA and time.
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Clinton is not dealing with Sanders socialist leanings to avoid alienating his supporters. But, a very important issue is not being addressed. The Democratic party has always tried to put enlightened, forward thinking and liberal candidates into office. It has never worked—in fact it has been a disaster. The country does not want them. Good men like Humphrey, McGovern, Mondale, Dukakis and even Gore and Kerry have lost terribly....some not carrying a single state. Now, the country is much more conservative and Bernie is much more to the left than these predecessors. True, many are struggling from economic abuse, but not enough to put a liberal to leftist thinker into office. Nominating Bernie despite the fact that he is correct about most of what he says, assure the election of a Republican.
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Bernie beats all repub in polls. Read a bit instead of dreaming.
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On the contrary, you are not looking at the numbers. The country is becoming more divided, not, more conservative and money is destroying the democracy. Overall, when asked the public overwhelmingly speaks and wants social security, medicare expanded, increasing the minimum wage, fairer trade, eliminating money in politics and increasing taxes on the rich, among many others. When it comes to these bread and butter middle class issues, the statistics overwhelmingly show the electorate is becoming more progressive, NOT more conservative.
Humphrey was a a pick of the democrats because he was the only one of the candidates willing to continue the war in Vietnam and far as the others, times have changed and so have peoples attitudes about the direction of the country. The financial meltdown of 2008 and its terrible result has just confirmed that and aside from Humphrey, the above list of individuals now would be very widely accepted and taken very seriously.
Humphrey was a a pick of the democrats because he was the only one of the candidates willing to continue the war in Vietnam and far as the others, times have changed and so have peoples attitudes about the direction of the country. The financial meltdown of 2008 and its terrible result has just confirmed that and aside from Humphrey, the above list of individuals now would be very widely accepted and taken very seriously.
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It would seem all is fair in love and politics, at least, American style and along with it, in the process, developing a case of amnesia with both the candidates and the electorate. While Hillary Clinton talks about continuing the Obama legacy and policies, it was interesting to watch the democratic debates during the 2007-2008 Presidential primaries, whereby all of the candidates were unanimously going after and exposing Clinton for constantly flip-flopping on her policies and being regularly caught in the process. Has anything really changed? Obama, in particular. stated unequivocally that she was not qualified to be President.
It was also interesting to note that in one of Obamas television ads, his last sentence was that it was time to turn the page on the Clintons and the Bushs. How times change.
Just another example of when it comes to personal advancement and agenda, many politicians feel that principles and answering to their constituency are a disposable commodity.
It was also interesting to note that in one of Obamas television ads, his last sentence was that it was time to turn the page on the Clintons and the Bushs. How times change.
Just another example of when it comes to personal advancement and agenda, many politicians feel that principles and answering to their constituency are a disposable commodity.
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Why does Hillary continue to let Bernie harp on an unfortunate vote in the Senate years and years ago. Rather, she should spend one sentence explaining how/why she and many other "wise" Congress people were hoodwinked by Bush-Cheney, and went along in a spirit of unity. Then, shift the focus to what is relevant now, i.e., the policies she would pursue in 2017 and beyond in Syria, Afghanistan, etc.
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Because past is prologue. Going forward, it is entirely predictable that she would lead us into other military quagmires and be untruthful about her reasons why.
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Bernie ain't no saint and Hillary ain't no sinner. They're are both respectable people who are offering their visions for how to move the country forward, and they are both preferable to whoever will be the alternative. Too much vitriol in these posts for my taste.
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Mr. Sanders' vision made it clear that the future can be much better than the past as represented by Mrs. Clinton. His thoughtful statements will be remembered for a long time past this election period and will guide the honest leaders of the future. He avoided Mrs. Clinton's favorite unappealing debating techniques, like her avoiding to answer questions or her answering a different question. Mrs. Clinton assumes that the people are not intelligent enough to understand her cheap debating techniques. Mr. Sanders became a Profile in Courage with his insistence to avoid demagoguery and to promote what is fair and needed for the people here and abroad.
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The problem with Hillary for many Democratic voters is that she speaks exactly like an establishment, machine candidate. She deftly changes the subject instead of answering pointed questions and replies with nonsense like "I'll release my transcripts when everyone else does."
Who, exactly, is "everyone else?" Sanders hasn't to my knowledge made any paid speeches to Wall Street firms. And Democrats don't care what any of the Republican candidates might have said in similar speeches. There is no "everyone else," Hillary. Just you.
As for Sanders - sure, his proposals are light on details. Most candidates promise the sun, moon, and planets and never deliver. Voters are smart enough to know how that game works. What Bernie brings to the table is more inspiration than policy specifics, but he's been in D.C. long enough to know how the game works. It's just that he's pointed to the major problem with the D.C. game - too much big money influencing policy decisions.
Where Sanders is missing the boat IMHO is forgetting to remind voters that a "revolution" on Washington politics requires voting for Democrats all the way down the ticket - not just president. He should be driving this point home as often and as loudly as possible. It's time for a total house cleaning, top to bottom.
Who, exactly, is "everyone else?" Sanders hasn't to my knowledge made any paid speeches to Wall Street firms. And Democrats don't care what any of the Republican candidates might have said in similar speeches. There is no "everyone else," Hillary. Just you.
As for Sanders - sure, his proposals are light on details. Most candidates promise the sun, moon, and planets and never deliver. Voters are smart enough to know how that game works. What Bernie brings to the table is more inspiration than policy specifics, but he's been in D.C. long enough to know how the game works. It's just that he's pointed to the major problem with the D.C. game - too much big money influencing policy decisions.
Where Sanders is missing the boat IMHO is forgetting to remind voters that a "revolution" on Washington politics requires voting for Democrats all the way down the ticket - not just president. He should be driving this point home as often and as loudly as possible. It's time for a total house cleaning, top to bottom.
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Bernie speaks of "We" while Clinton speaks of "I".
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I am not impressed with Hilary taking cover behind President Obama when questioned about Big Money.
What does how President Obama approached his campaign have anything to do with her approach? How come she is not supportive of the President on trade deals these days but is fine with superpacs?
And how do we know what Mr. Obama feels about big banks and their support today compared to 4 to 8 years ago?
Secretary Clinton knows the expectations that come with taking money from big business and rich people and also knows that it is wrong.
What does how President Obama approached his campaign have anything to do with her approach? How come she is not supportive of the President on trade deals these days but is fine with superpacs?
And how do we know what Mr. Obama feels about big banks and their support today compared to 4 to 8 years ago?
Secretary Clinton knows the expectations that come with taking money from big business and rich people and also knows that it is wrong.
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I just finished "Clinon Cash", a book about how the Clinton Foundation operates like an influence peddling operation with both Clintons working in tandem and by doing so have gotten obscenely rich. It is a devastating indictment especially on Hillary. Unsavory politicians around the world have gained favorable access to US government power through the Clintons. It is shocking that Bernie brought none of that up which is a significant part of the FBI investigation, whether she was engaged in a form of insider trading, she and her husband getting large speaker fees simultaneously getting lucrative contracts for those same interests. And how the Haiti earthquake disaster relief turned out to be a greater disaster because of how the Clintons botched the operation meanwhile benefiting their loyalists. As for NY favoring Hillary it is largely because of their archaic primary system: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2016-04-14/hillary-will-win-new-york-becau...
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Gee whillikers, folks, they're both pretty good candidates who've been politicians for decades.
They've got different strengths and weaknesses: Hillary Clinton's clearly part of that jet-set Davos crowd, Bernie Sanders is clearly part of the pampered radical brigade.
She has a bad, bad habit of stuffing things into a back pocket and claiming they're not there when challenged, even when it's harmless info; he can't find a specific detail on finances or foreign policy to save his life, and curls up around miracles when challenged even when it's trivial.
Every answer on foreign policy can't just be, "Well, she voted for Iraq." Every answer on gun control can't be, "Well, he took a (procedural) vote that the NRA liked."
And so on. I prefer Bernie's ideals; I prefer her stubborn practicality.
Only glaring diff I can see is in the supporters--There's a subset of Bernie's that are misogynistic jerks, or actively working for Karl Rove, but that's hardly his fault.
And they're both pols, folks. Enough already with the nit-picking and demands for pure purity. And certainly enough with the "If I can't have mine heroine or hero, I'm gonna stay home and sulk."
fun's fun, but don't buy the media-driven horserace jazz, which is there to make the media money. And please remember: Trump and Cruz really are bad guys. Electing them really would be a disaster for the country that you actually live in.
They've got different strengths and weaknesses: Hillary Clinton's clearly part of that jet-set Davos crowd, Bernie Sanders is clearly part of the pampered radical brigade.
She has a bad, bad habit of stuffing things into a back pocket and claiming they're not there when challenged, even when it's harmless info; he can't find a specific detail on finances or foreign policy to save his life, and curls up around miracles when challenged even when it's trivial.
Every answer on foreign policy can't just be, "Well, she voted for Iraq." Every answer on gun control can't be, "Well, he took a (procedural) vote that the NRA liked."
And so on. I prefer Bernie's ideals; I prefer her stubborn practicality.
Only glaring diff I can see is in the supporters--There's a subset of Bernie's that are misogynistic jerks, or actively working for Karl Rove, but that's hardly his fault.
And they're both pols, folks. Enough already with the nit-picking and demands for pure purity. And certainly enough with the "If I can't have mine heroine or hero, I'm gonna stay home and sulk."
fun's fun, but don't buy the media-driven horserace jazz, which is there to make the media money. And please remember: Trump and Cruz really are bad guys. Electing them really would be a disaster for the country that you actually live in.
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Pampered radical brigade?
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For all the emphasis on Hillary's paid speeches and big money connections, it's worth remembering that she has done a lot of Democratic fundraisers to help elect Party members down-ticket. All the money Bernie has raised has gone entirely to his own campaign; exactly zero to elect more Democrats to office. How's he gonna break up the big banks and raise the minimum wage without the votes? By the force of his personality and because he's a nice guy??
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Breaking up the banks can be done completely within the existing regulatory system, which rests entirely within the Executive branch. He will need no Congressional help to do this.
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Hillary gave Bernie several chances to deliver a coup d' grace but Bernie didn't connect the dots. Hillary regurgitated the same nation building nonsense on Libya that she engaged when supporting the invasion of Iraq. She repeats the same mistake over and over; "The Vietnam Mistake". Bernie could have touted that as a difference between them but he failed to capitalize on it. Hillary looked to me, in last night's debate, like a deer caught in the headlights.
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The most fascinating part of all of this?
The NYT and establishment news media's refusal to say what a majority of Americans already know:
The Democrats have a fractured party and depending on the outcome of the NY primary, the Democrats could be looking at a "brokered" convention and a fight on the floor as well.
Despite the pleas from the news media establishment (isn't it odd that Obama is playing with cable TV boxes and talking about global warming), party bosses and liberal elite, there is no great migration by Sanders supporters to Hillary's side.
And it is more and more obvious that Hillary Clinton will pull a Ted Cruz and rely on backroom deals with the party establishment to steal the nomination.
What will that do to the Democrats in November? It will certainly cost them the youth vote that the Dems have to have to compete in the electoral college states.
We are witnessing a race to the bottom by the corporate elites, party bosses and the clowns that pass as journalists these days. It's hurting our country.
The NYT and establishment news media's refusal to say what a majority of Americans already know:
The Democrats have a fractured party and depending on the outcome of the NY primary, the Democrats could be looking at a "brokered" convention and a fight on the floor as well.
Despite the pleas from the news media establishment (isn't it odd that Obama is playing with cable TV boxes and talking about global warming), party bosses and liberal elite, there is no great migration by Sanders supporters to Hillary's side.
And it is more and more obvious that Hillary Clinton will pull a Ted Cruz and rely on backroom deals with the party establishment to steal the nomination.
What will that do to the Democrats in November? It will certainly cost them the youth vote that the Dems have to have to compete in the electoral college states.
We are witnessing a race to the bottom by the corporate elites, party bosses and the clowns that pass as journalists these days. It's hurting our country.
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Bernie Sanders is the Democratic equivalent of Ted Cruz. Both are hard Left/Right ideologues who will accomplish little of their agendas if elected. If president Obama with a Democratic Congress couldn't pass a single payer health care system, what makes Bernie and his supporters think he can do so with a GOP Congress? Same for his other signature agendas like $15 minimum wage, tuition free college and carbon tax. America is closely divided between the Right and Left and in order to govern it effectively, pragmatism and consensus is needed. Sanders is running for president of the United States, not mayor of Berkeley.
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The point, Caeser, is that Bernie will NOT have to do anything with a GOP Congress, because as he pulls away from Clinton and her unraveling campaign, he will have huge success in asking for, and receiving, donations for progressive candidates for Congress from his millions of supporters, which will be used to sway the Congressional races in November and into 2017. I love the shift that we are witnessing.
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Hard Left? I guess FDR then was hard left. Bernie is what the democrats USED to be, now the democrats are just Republican lights.
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I've listened carefully and Bernie's revolution remains as empty a promise as Obama's hope and change or Cruz's conservative America. Single payer failed in Vermont. A law to break up the banks will never pass. It's all rhetoric and yet Clinton is viewed as somehow a duplicitous politician. At least she sees the world for what it is and not what she wishes it to be.
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Your pessimism is a sad commentary on the business-as-usual state of our government. Incrementalism simply leaves us further mired in issues that need bold action today. You may have listened carefully, but it appears that you are not getting the message. We need huge change, we need it now, and you should be grateful to witness it.
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The contentious debate last evening was a little over the top.
As it stands now, Hillary is more likely to get the nomination. But energy & enthusiasm are with Bernie. Hillary can't afford to alienate Bernie voters.
For some reason, Hillary is very low in likability. It is not guaranteed that she would win in November against a Republican candidate. She needs all of Bernie's votes. She needs to respect him & woo him to win in November.
Both Clintons habitually mess up when it comes to Hillary's election. From that perspective, even if she appeared to have won the debate, it would eventually turn out as a loss.
A solution, despite his age, ask him to be her VP choice. She could get most of Bernie votes & can win in November. This is my two cents' worth.
As it stands now, Hillary is more likely to get the nomination. But energy & enthusiasm are with Bernie. Hillary can't afford to alienate Bernie voters.
For some reason, Hillary is very low in likability. It is not guaranteed that she would win in November against a Republican candidate. She needs all of Bernie's votes. She needs to respect him & woo him to win in November.
Both Clintons habitually mess up when it comes to Hillary's election. From that perspective, even if she appeared to have won the debate, it would eventually turn out as a loss.
A solution, despite his age, ask him to be her VP choice. She could get most of Bernie votes & can win in November. This is my two cents' worth.
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OMG, do you honestly think that Clinton won the debate? She was exposed for what she is, and establishment politician who will say what she thinks will get her elected, and then plod along acting like she is everyone's friend, as she does the bidding of large monied interests, who have brought her to heel. Please do not expect Democratic nominee Sanders to consider Clinton as VP; he's on to better ideas and can make far better choices as to who to place nextto him on the ticket.
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Resident,
Do you really think Sanders will get the Democratic nomination?
If he then elected president & put some of his plans at least are put into practice, I also would like that but I don't think he has a chance to be the next president. I hope I am wrong!
Do you really think Sanders will get the Democratic nomination?
If he then elected president & put some of his plans at least are put into practice, I also would like that but I don't think he has a chance to be the next president. I hope I am wrong!
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To those Bernie supporters who call his speeches and debate performances "courageous", I say, it doesn't take much courage to simply talk. He must know he is likely to lose the nomination, so talk, one way or the other, isn't going to hurt him. Is he risking his life in any way? Are there people out there who are seriously out to get him? No. He hasn't been seriously attacked, even politically, by anyone, much less by the GOP.
No, Bernie is all talk, and not much else.
Hillary, on the other hand, has put herself out there for the last 20 years and has willingly accepted amazing amounts of mental and emotional abuse from the GOP. She has worked her heart out in spite of the fact that she is hated by so many on the Right, and now even on the farther reaches of the Left.
Hillary Clinton.
Talk. Action. Hard work.
Courage.
No, Bernie is all talk, and not much else.
Hillary, on the other hand, has put herself out there for the last 20 years and has willingly accepted amazing amounts of mental and emotional abuse from the GOP. She has worked her heart out in spite of the fact that she is hated by so many on the Right, and now even on the farther reaches of the Left.
Hillary Clinton.
Talk. Action. Hard work.
Courage.
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Hillary Clinton.
Lies. Deception. Manipulation. Lack of Judgement.
Chutzpah.
Lies. Deception. Manipulation. Lack of Judgement.
Chutzpah.
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At times, there is the proverbial 'elephant in the room" and it emerged briefly last night when Ms. Clinton referred to 'our administration' and quickly amended to 'my administration.
Hillary frequently relies on Bill Clinton to campaign for her. She touts the successes of his administration.
Still, "She had no problem putting the blame for the crime bill on her husband. “He was the president who actually signed it,” she said.
So, if Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination and ultimately, the Presidency, it will be 'you get two for one' as Bill Clinton frequently used to say.
There is an elephant in the room with Bill Clinton, FMOTUS.
Hillary frequently relies on Bill Clinton to campaign for her. She touts the successes of his administration.
Still, "She had no problem putting the blame for the crime bill on her husband. “He was the president who actually signed it,” she said.
So, if Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination and ultimately, the Presidency, it will be 'you get two for one' as Bill Clinton frequently used to say.
There is an elephant in the room with Bill Clinton, FMOTUS.
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There's only one person sufficiently experienced in all aspects of governing who is thus the most qualified to take over from President Obama from day one. And, sorry Bernie supporters, it's not your "pied piper of pipe dreams."
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And was Obama the one person sufficiently experienced in all aspects of governing who is thus the most qualified to take over from President Bush from day one? Give me a break. The POTUS does not have to know every little detail of governance. He or she has to know how to inspire, how to choose those he or she works closely with, and has to exhibit solid, consistent judgement. Welcome to the idea of President Sanders.
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Just you wait and see, President Hillary Clinton will do an excellent job. Remember, a vote for Bernie is a vote for Cruz or Trump.
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"Are the big banks safe?" "Are the big banks safe?" With the huge leverage exerted in the financial industry to meet annual earnings growth targets for their shareholders, the risk inherent in this sector is always worrisome. Banks' debt to equity ratios of about 15/1 make this sector especially prone to bankruptcy concerns when the overall economy falters. During the recent Great Recession, banks' vulnerability to debt financed investments caused this sector to implode when many mortgage based investments' valuations were overstated, because of loose lending practices in the housing industry.
The high price of petroleum in 2008 also caused bankruptcy concerns among car companies due to their dependence on selling gas-guzzling SUVs and trucks. During the Great Recession, one sector weakness reinforced the other until a new refrain emerged: "Are the auto companies safe?" "Are the auto companies safe?" And, today the US auto industry still remains vulnerable to high gas prices with hardly any buffer provided by federal gas taxes. My closing point is simply that until the US government acts to increase the gas tax, as most developed countries have done long ago; whenever petroleum prices rise, then the US auto industry, singularly dependent on SUV and truck sales, can quickly tip the economy into recession as petroleum prices abruptly increase and maintain that price increase over an intermediate term.
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The high price of petroleum in 2008 also caused bankruptcy concerns among car companies due to their dependence on selling gas-guzzling SUVs and trucks. During the Great Recession, one sector weakness reinforced the other until a new refrain emerged: "Are the auto companies safe?" "Are the auto companies safe?" And, today the US auto industry still remains vulnerable to high gas prices with hardly any buffer provided by federal gas taxes. My closing point is simply that until the US government acts to increase the gas tax, as most developed countries have done long ago; whenever petroleum prices rise, then the US auto industry, singularly dependent on SUV and truck sales, can quickly tip the economy into recession as petroleum prices abruptly increase and maintain that price increase over an intermediate term.
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I notice how some of the commenters here cite Clinton's "superior" foreign policy experience as the reason to vote for her. It is that very experience which is one of the main reasons I won't vote for her.
Besides voting for the war in Iraq, as secretary of state, she was the force behind the overthrowing of Ghaddafi in Libya, which has led to much of the turmoil in the middle East. She also supported the coup in Hondurus, a coup which has helped make that country one of the most violent in the hemisphere. Also as secretary of state, she approved arms deals to nefarious dictators, among others, after they gave "contributions to the Clinton Foundation. And although she couldn't praise Obama enough in yesterday's debate, she didn't seem to care that Netanyahu has consistently snubbed the president and tried to interfere in America politics. She has even said that Netanyahu would be one of the first people she'd invite to the White House. Her speech to AIPAC was considered by even the NY Times to be very hawkish and far to the right. She also proudly acknowledges war criminal Henry Clinton to be a mentor.
Yes Clinton does have experience, but most of shows a lack of judgement and not the quality of who I want to be our next President.
Besides voting for the war in Iraq, as secretary of state, she was the force behind the overthrowing of Ghaddafi in Libya, which has led to much of the turmoil in the middle East. She also supported the coup in Hondurus, a coup which has helped make that country one of the most violent in the hemisphere. Also as secretary of state, she approved arms deals to nefarious dictators, among others, after they gave "contributions to the Clinton Foundation. And although she couldn't praise Obama enough in yesterday's debate, she didn't seem to care that Netanyahu has consistently snubbed the president and tried to interfere in America politics. She has even said that Netanyahu would be one of the first people she'd invite to the White House. Her speech to AIPAC was considered by even the NY Times to be very hawkish and far to the right. She also proudly acknowledges war criminal Henry Clinton to be a mentor.
Yes Clinton does have experience, but most of shows a lack of judgement and not the quality of who I want to be our next President.
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Miriam, I'm pretty sure you meant Henry Kissinger, not Henry Clinton.
BASH: Senator Sanders, you have consistently criticized Secretary Clinton for accepting money from Wall Street. Can you name one decision that she made as senator that shows that he favored banks because of the money she received?
SANDERS: Sure. Sure. The obvious decision is when the greed and recklessness and illegal behavior of wall street brought this country into the worst economic downturn since the Great Recession — the Great Depression of the ’30s, when millions of people lost their jobs, and their homes, and their life savings, the obvious response to that is that you’ve got a bunch of fraudulent operators and that they have got to be broken up.
That was my view way back, and I introduced legislation to do that. Now, Secretary Clinton was busy giving speeches to Goldman Sachs for $225,000 a speech.
This was the key exchange of the night. Bernie could not name any specific actions that Hillary took that shows undue influence by Wall Street and his response was barely coherent. It apparently means that anyone who doesn't agree with his approach to bank regulation is a Wall Street stooge. The economic crisis he refers to was unfolding as Hillary was preparing to become Secretary of State. Did he expect her to weigh in on matters that were clearly outside of her jurisdiction in a way that would have gotten her dismissed from the Obama administration?
Hillary was the only presidential candidate in 2008 to call for a moratorium on housing foreclosures.
SANDERS: Sure. Sure. The obvious decision is when the greed and recklessness and illegal behavior of wall street brought this country into the worst economic downturn since the Great Recession — the Great Depression of the ’30s, when millions of people lost their jobs, and their homes, and their life savings, the obvious response to that is that you’ve got a bunch of fraudulent operators and that they have got to be broken up.
That was my view way back, and I introduced legislation to do that. Now, Secretary Clinton was busy giving speeches to Goldman Sachs for $225,000 a speech.
This was the key exchange of the night. Bernie could not name any specific actions that Hillary took that shows undue influence by Wall Street and his response was barely coherent. It apparently means that anyone who doesn't agree with his approach to bank regulation is a Wall Street stooge. The economic crisis he refers to was unfolding as Hillary was preparing to become Secretary of State. Did he expect her to weigh in on matters that were clearly outside of her jurisdiction in a way that would have gotten her dismissed from the Obama administration?
Hillary was the only presidential candidate in 2008 to call for a moratorium on housing foreclosures.
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Sanders' response was fairly incoherent. Sanders voted for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act in 2000, which eased regulations on Wall Street. That led to the credit default swaps that helped cause the Great Recession. There is a reason that Barney Frank of the Dodd-Frank Bill supports Hillary Clinton.
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That's because she raised the $11 million in speeches in the last two years, while she was holding no position that required voting.
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The slow moving economic calamity engulfing us in a perfect storm of money seizing political control to further enhance its benefactors requires a bold, forceful approach now before it's too late. Asking for a $12/ hour minimum wage while initially claiming to support a $15/hour one is not bold; it is timid. Taking money from the very symbol of the dominance of money, Wall Street, for both speeches and campaign funding, and refusing to honor the Obama criterion of "transparency" by releasing the transcripts is beyond timid, it speaks to lack of trust and credibility. Backing the big banks in not allowing personal bankruptcy for those in credit card debt when she was our senator speaks also to lack of trust never mind bold action to reign in the financial titans who are still "Too Big to Fail" and "Too Big to Jail." And not being for health care for all, but incremental improvements in Obamacare is also timid and not bold. As many of both Bernie's and Hillary's generation know, "If you don't reach for the moon, you'll never get there." JFK knew that, and I believe Sen. Sanders knows that, too.
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Hillary has been cozying up to Obama all campaign long and this debate underscored the shallow nature of that bond. As usually, she drew close connections between herself and Obama to appeal to the base and grab some credit for his accomplishments through her close association to him. She started to reaching in her usery, when putting Obama directly between herself and Sanders by saying that by attacking her on Super Pac donations and Wall street ties Bernie was directly attacking Obama. After all that- when challenged on her recommendations in Libya as Secretary of State that have directly led to a brutal civil war, she completely threw Obama under the bus. She dumped the full weight of that decision on him, not only invalidating her credit by association arguments, but exposing her newfound closeness with Obama as mere exploitation. I keep trying, but I simply can't get past her character flaws. She stands in sharp contrast to Sanders' integrity.
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Neither candidate is perfect. Let's agree on that. But I am fatigued with the lie that "Bernie supporters" are somehow stupid, naive, hoodwinked amateurs who don't understand anything about politics or the economy. I have been teaching international political economy - against the mainstream economists' view that markets are awesome ways to allocate resources - for 15 years. I have been dismayed (but not surprised) at the repeated pandering of politicians, Republican and Democrat, to Wall Street, corporations, and big banks for decades. I have been dismayed at the social, economic, psychological, and cultural ruin that neoliberal economics has brought to this country -- in particular in communities of color, but we are all negatively impacted, even if indirectly. Bernie Sanders sees these patterns, and he knows, like so many of us, that it doesn't have to be like this. So please, keep your sanctimonious preaching about how naive we are to yourself.
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A delightful description of that ages-old, "Dance of the Rich and Powerful," dancing still, as they have danced since the ancient confluence of politics and bartering.
Avarice being apolitical and envy being a stranger to neither liberal nor conservative, the 'have-nots' and the 'left-outs' will often be rallied by the tune, "It doesn't Have to Be like This" and by the Piper playing the pipes...across the aisle, it's Donald Trump.
Avarice being apolitical and envy being a stranger to neither liberal nor conservative, the 'have-nots' and the 'left-outs' will often be rallied by the tune, "It doesn't Have to Be like This" and by the Piper playing the pipes...across the aisle, it's Donald Trump.
Sanders was asked, point blank, to "name one decision that Clinton made as senator that shows that she favored banks because of the money she received," and he couldn't do it. Instead he gave some flustered, standard reply about how these huge banks have to broken up. (A position, by the way, that I agree with.) Nor did he point to even one, specific, concrete step he would take to actually begin dismantling the banks. All night, with a few notable exceptions (on Israel, for example), Senator Sanders came across as something of a lightweight, spouting -- or shouting -- platitudes. This debate only deepened my respect for Clinton.
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She received the money after her stint as Senator, so she had no opportunity to vote for anything except personal wealth.
"Hillary Clinton delivered 51 speeches in 2014 and the first three months of 2015, earning more than $11 million. Her fees varied, but she earned as much as $315,000 for speaking to eBay in San Jose on March 11; she also collected $325,000 for speaking to the technology company Cisco in Las Vegas in August."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-earn-more-than-25-milli...
"Hillary Clinton delivered 51 speeches in 2014 and the first three months of 2015, earning more than $11 million. Her fees varied, but she earned as much as $315,000 for speaking to eBay in San Jose on March 11; she also collected $325,000 for speaking to the technology company Cisco in Las Vegas in August."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/clintons-earn-more-than-25-milli...
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Do you really think that the Clinton machine, famous for dodging bullets, is stupid enough to overtly display their bias for big monied interests? You are naive if you think that is how the game is played. It's the plodding incremental changes that the Clintons are known for that allow the banking industry to adapt, prosper, and screw the American public, while risking failure that would greatly impact all of us.
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I've been searching the debate transcript for the terms "F.B.I.", "investigation", "indict", "classified", and "justice department." No luck. This is why Sanders is probably going to lose -- he just won't go after obvious political weaknesses. If your political opponent can be perceived like Edward Snowden, you use that! Everybody knows that politicians on all sides are using words that trigger emotional responses, so it's really unfortunate that Sanders is refusing to throw the punches that would do the most damage. He's not playing to win.
That is familiar Republican territory, and Sanders would be uncharacteristically unwise to take it up.
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Can anybody tell me why on earth this woman was wearing a raincoat, indoors, for the entirety of this debate? Bulletproof garments underneath?
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Tacky, Fern.
Perhaps you'd bother to wipe the smirk off your face and comment on the substance of the debate?
Perhaps you'd bother to wipe the smirk off your face and comment on the substance of the debate?
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It certainly is not right to castigate a candidate based on her fashion sense but Hillary, please get yourself a new stylist. A few clips on TV after last night's debate showed some previous debate moments. HIllary had gold around her neck, dangling from her ears, and weighing down one wrist. Nice image for the working class to admire. Well, it used to be that the majority of the worked class were awed by wealth, and Trump supporters obviously stlll are. But now thinking voters are wondering were all the money for the bling came from. The goldis gone; at least your stylist gets a point or two for that.
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why is Hillary being scrutinized about her Speeches when no one else is. How come Shaggy Sanders is so obsessed with this. she has told him time and again it never influenced my opinion and I believe it. But it's ok how he protects the NRA. Shame on you Bern. If I had all her knowledge and experience and someone gave me large sums of money to speak I would also accept it. Clintons give many donations to worthy causes. What does he give to.. Oh yeah the NRA. Such a stand up guy.
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This was a great performance from both candidates. Both scored some good punches but neither went down for the count and for much of the time it was more of an argument than a debate. Bernie has become as adept at avoiding questions as Hillary though unlike the previous debates he got as much heat as she did. They were both well toasted and smoking but I think he's as good as a burnt New York bagel. The yelling and the pointing and the arm waving-get a mirror Bernie!
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Hillary smile was "gloating" remember how the press hammered Gore for "gloating" in the 2000 election debate with Bush?
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On Guns - We don't prosecute manufacturers or sellers of bombs, so why the flap over holding manufacturers of bombs liable for violence.
On Israel and Palestine - kudos to Senator Sanders for having the courage to speak forthrightly about how to bring peace in the middle East.
On Israel and Palestine - kudos to Senator Sanders for having the courage to speak forthrightly about how to bring peace in the middle East.
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That is a disingenuous view of the almost unique immunity to lawsuits that Sanders supported. The PLCAA was passed to protect gun manufacturers from lawsuits that cities with gun violence were bringing about "negligent marketing" and helping to create a "public nuisance". When have you seen bombs on the shelves of Walmarts beside the AR-15s? Gun manufacturers have marketed semi-automatic weapons as power fantasies, weapons that have in the past been for the military and law enforcement.
A current campaign of the NRA is spinning fairy tales so that Little Red Riding Hood and other characters can reach for their guns. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/25/471726704/nra-rewrites... No cigarette company could market cigarettes to children and teens like this. After the massacres at Sandy Hook and other schools, this is especially disgusting.
Pretty sick stuff, that Sanders is very responsible for in his constant defense of gun manufacturers.
A current campaign of the NRA is spinning fairy tales so that Little Red Riding Hood and other characters can reach for their guns. http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2016/03/25/471726704/nra-rewrites... No cigarette company could market cigarettes to children and teens like this. After the massacres at Sandy Hook and other schools, this is especially disgusting.
Pretty sick stuff, that Sanders is very responsible for in his constant defense of gun manufacturers.
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Hilary was savaged. She fought back, she was abused but the righteousness of Good was on her side while that evil Sanders attacked and savaged, and played dirty. What an article! What propagandists work at NYT? Wow, way to go.
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It is disgraceful that the four Christian candidates are more supportive of Israel than the Jewish candidate. He cites the 10,000 absurd figure, first as deaths and later "clarified" as injuries. Yet, not once does he acknowledge the attacks on Israel from the north, west and east. Not once does he acknowledge that the injuries resulted because Hamas placed its offensive weapons in schools and hospitals. Not once does he acknowledge Israel's warning leaflets, texts, etc to minimize casualties (what other country does this?) Not once does he acknowledge that Hamas wants a high body count to win them support (they certainly were successful with Sen Sanders) Not once does he acknowledge that NONE of these injuries and deaths would have occurred had not Hamas begun their terrorism. Clearly the Senator's far-left agenda also applies to his political position in Israel. He again tells us he is simply a Palestinian apologist and would be the worst President possible in supporting Israel
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I commend Sen. Sanders for not giving in to attacking Mrs. Clinton more. FYI, Mrs. Clinton did plenty of attacking-she's just more devious about it. That's the core difference-a candidate that speaks the truth regardless of consequences vs.a candidate who spends hours strategizing how to best express an answer that makes her appear the victim. Mrs. Clinton keeps talking about NY values.I love NY and have many relatives there. I thought the Presidential candidates were mandated to represent the United States, not just NY. If that's not the case, I'll never be represented since there hasn't been a President from NH since Franklin Pierce! Seems its the classic case of ignoring the voters and doing your own thing once you get the power. Its the same situation with the DNC's super-delegates set up. Bernie Sanders won by a landslide of majority vote in the NH primary. Yet all the NH super-delegates immediately gave their delegate votes to Mrs. Clinton. That's not just in NH-check your own state's super delegates. Her delegate count will beat Sanders because the super-delegates, supporting their own self-interest and political aspirations, ignore the majority, and do whatever they want with what is constitutionally meant to be your representation. Will I, a life-long Democratic voter, a senior, an educated woman,vote for Mrs. Clinton if she gets the party nomination? No, I won't.I'll simplify my life and not vote for any of NH's superdelegates running for election, either.
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Hope you - and the other Sanders-supporters-non-voters - enjoy life under Pres. Trump or Pres. Cruz
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I'm sorry, but Bernie needs to work on getting past the persona he projects whenever he is in Hillary's presence. When admonishing her he comes across as the grumpy old man who storms out his front door shaking his fist and yelling "Get off my lawn!" at the neighborhood kids.
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His disdain for Hillary's politics and judgement are well-grounded in fact. HRC is not a "neighborhood kid". She has made plenty of huge blunders in her political life, displaying a consistent lack of judgement, and her incremental change ethic (when not encouraging regime change) and short-of-the-mark policy positions well deserve Bernie's admonishment. I love that he is calling her out on her many shortcomings.
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Unity ticket anyone? Clinton-Sanders? Experience and Vision? Savvyness and Integrity? Pragmatism tempered by Idealism? Incrementalism pulled in a progressive direction by Oversight? Honoring older, wise Democrats without rejecting Youthful newcomers?
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Not a chance.
Bernie Sanders would betray a lifetime as an anti-establishment progressive if he joined the Clinton machine. Obama easily sold his soul to the Democratic Party establishment, because it was always for sale.
Bernie's ain't.
Bernie Sanders would betray a lifetime as an anti-establishment progressive if he joined the Clinton machine. Obama easily sold his soul to the Democratic Party establishment, because it was always for sale.
Bernie's ain't.
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The NRA and gun control are not the real problems. If there were less income inequality, if an illness didn't cause financial ruin, if there were job opportunities, do you think people would be gunning each other down? Gun violence is the symptom of a larger problem that Mr. Sanders is seeking to solve. Mrs. Clinton wants business as usual.
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Not true. Gun violence is the result of one thing only. Too many guns.
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33,000 Americans die every year from gun violence. That is a real problem. For Sanders and others to brush this off, especially when his own state has terrible numbers on suicide and domestic homicides from guns is both heartless and immoral. There are far more reasons for gun violence than income inequality. If this many Americans had died in the Iraq War (which they did not) or in terrorist attacks, no one would call it a "symptom".
The children at Sandy Hook and the church people at Charleston deserve to have their memories honored.
The children at Sandy Hook and the church people at Charleston deserve to have their memories honored.
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Sharon,
Having had my family personally devastated by gun violence, I abhor your remark, and the underlying view that "gee, didn't happen to me, so it's okay" that you seem to espouse.
Having had my family personally devastated by gun violence, I abhor your remark, and the underlying view that "gee, didn't happen to me, so it's okay" that you seem to espouse.
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Sanders is slogans and nothing more. How he convinced people that he can bring about change when he's been slumming and bumming in Congress for a quarter century and nothing to show for it is astounding. I'm voting for Hillary.
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Current media reports typically use the term Idealist or naive when speaking of Bernie Sanders and use the word pragmatic for Hillary Clinton. Is it really idealist to think that change can come only if those who put you in power will allow it? Is it naive to think that that the American people deserve a healthcare system that keeps them from feeling one medical emergency will bankrupt you? Is it pragmatic to think that the small gains of incremental change will be sufficient to save America from the outsourcing of jobs, a healthcare system that still leaves us vulnerable, unaffordable college tuition, a global climate crisis, a for-profit prison system that has more heads on beds (by far minorities) than ANY other country on this planet, and of course, a trickle up economy where working people make the wealthy even more so?
I, for one think I know who is the pragmatist. I trust Bernie.
I, for one think I know who is the pragmatist. I trust Bernie.
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Bernie said that we are going to have to treat the Palestinians with "respect and dignity."
This is considered (in the U.S.) a radical and controversial idea.
What does this say about us as a nation?
Think about it.
This is considered (in the U.S.) a radical and controversial idea.
What does this say about us as a nation?
Think about it.
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Bernie won. Critic's assessment? Please, get real. Look at the reader / viewer polls. He crushed it. Not one poll doesn't show Sanders winning anything less than 90%. But You won't see that. You'll see a nice Charles Blow op-ed on "his efficiency if elected, so we should settle for familiar losses instead of speculative gain." Or perhaps how Sanders shouldn't have called her unqualified when in reality he was consistent with his theme that established players' are not as credible as they seem. But you won't see an op-ed about how HIllary invoked 9/11 to sidestep a question about wall street greed. You know exactly how Sanders is going to pay for his programs, but people want him to repeat himself and then retroactively label him a soundbite. Anything at this point will do for the haters.
New York has the chance to vote for FDR, but the Times would rather a convenient Tanya Harding.
New York has the chance to vote for FDR, but the Times would rather a convenient Tanya Harding.
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The debate between Bernie and Hillary for the entire campaign season was captured in one moment - when Hillary had no answer and fudged the question on releasing the transcripts of her Wall st speeches. She would have been coronated by now but for her business-as-usual coziness to the big-money interests.
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It's not just the size of banks that's a potential problem. It's the financial risks they take with their investments.
Breaking them into smaller banks might reduce the damage if they were to fail, but the better path is to enforce regulations that prevent such reckless risk-taking. Of these two concerns, size and risk, excessive risk-taking is the much bigger threat to our economy.
That's the point that Hillary Clinton keeps trying to make, but I don't think many people outside of the finance industry or academia get it. They are fixated on the size of the banks, not the reckless investing.
I know that Bernie Sanders doesn't get it. He keeps harping on breaking up the big banks. I haven't heard him say anything about regulating the kinds of investments and amount of risky leverage they should be allowed to hold. Making them smaller wouldn't fix the real problem. The firms that started the financial collapse were not the biggest.
That's why I have a lot more confidence in Hillary Clinton's understanding of the problem and her intention to build on Dodd-Frank so that risks are properly regulated.
Breaking them into smaller banks might reduce the damage if they were to fail, but the better path is to enforce regulations that prevent such reckless risk-taking. Of these two concerns, size and risk, excessive risk-taking is the much bigger threat to our economy.
That's the point that Hillary Clinton keeps trying to make, but I don't think many people outside of the finance industry or academia get it. They are fixated on the size of the banks, not the reckless investing.
I know that Bernie Sanders doesn't get it. He keeps harping on breaking up the big banks. I haven't heard him say anything about regulating the kinds of investments and amount of risky leverage they should be allowed to hold. Making them smaller wouldn't fix the real problem. The firms that started the financial collapse were not the biggest.
That's why I have a lot more confidence in Hillary Clinton's understanding of the problem and her intention to build on Dodd-Frank so that risks are properly regulated.
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Bernie won the debate, he articulated his view points, his unhappiness with Clinton's acceptance of money from Goldman Sachs, and never brought up the fact that she is under investigation from the FBI and US Attorneys office. At the end of the day Hillary looked weak and Bernie looked decisive. She even kept talking when asked to stop by the CNN reporter. She could not answer very basic questions. I am not sure why anyone would vote for her .
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I'm a Clinton supporter and voted for her in our state's primary. However, if Mr. Sanders end up being the nominee, I will happily vote for him.
I think Mrs. Clinton, however, has a more realistic view of how best to accomplish an agenda.
As she mentioned, most things have to go pass Congress.
Mr. Sanders can say that he is going to do things with regards to Big Banks and free tuition and health care, but without the approval of Congress, those things are nothing more than proposals.
I think Mrs. Clinton, however, has a more realistic view of how best to accomplish an agenda.
As she mentioned, most things have to go pass Congress.
Mr. Sanders can say that he is going to do things with regards to Big Banks and free tuition and health care, but without the approval of Congress, those things are nothing more than proposals.
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““It… [superpredators] was a racist term, and everybody knew it was a racist term,” he said, setting off rousing cheers from the crowd.”
I would say “…She has the…intelligence for the job…” in the context of the presidential election is a condescending statement, and every woman who has ever been patronized knew it was.
Oh yes, Hillary supporters are passionate about his overall insidious patriarchal treatment of his competitor.
Who in the h…is Bernie Sanders… to judge whether Hillary is intelligent enough for the job.
I would say “…She has the…intelligence for the job…” in the context of the presidential election is a condescending statement, and every woman who has ever been patronized knew it was.
Oh yes, Hillary supporters are passionate about his overall insidious patriarchal treatment of his competitor.
Who in the h…is Bernie Sanders… to judge whether Hillary is intelligent enough for the job.
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Mr. Sander's candidacy is pie in the sky. There is no possibility that any of his policies will be enacted by a republican congress. Skilled leadership and the ability to compromise and get things done has not been the legacy that Mr. Sanders brings to the table.
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No, not really, they actually brought up the Palestinians ; they talked about banking policies; they talked about crime. Whoever the democrats decide upon, I'm not sure how they switch from talking about policy to talking about body parts.
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No one asked about her foundation income.
Foundations are the estate plans for the very rich.
Bill Gates (the richest man)put $20 billion of stock into his foundation and got a $20 billion income tax deduction.
A speaking fee paid to a foundation is tax deductible by Wall Street types but it is not income to Hilary. This is the greatest tax avoidance scheme. The better news is that there are no audits. The IRS has no one to examine these
foundations. The owners can do anything they want with the funds and no one will ever know.
Bottom line is that the Clintons are raking in millions through Hilary's campaign.
Foundations are the estate plans for the very rich.
Bill Gates (the richest man)put $20 billion of stock into his foundation and got a $20 billion income tax deduction.
A speaking fee paid to a foundation is tax deductible by Wall Street types but it is not income to Hilary. This is the greatest tax avoidance scheme. The better news is that there are no audits. The IRS has no one to examine these
foundations. The owners can do anything they want with the funds and no one will ever know.
Bottom line is that the Clintons are raking in millions through Hilary's campaign.
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How media loves to promote a fight. The debate I watched was more direct and straight-speaking than anything I have ever heard Trump come up with, despite the fact his supporters think he "tells it like it is," which seems mostly to mean cursing and using low slang. What are all these contentious verbs and adjectives aiming at? "clashed," "attacking," "flared," "goaded"? Sounds like journalists really want to be writing movie trailers.
Clinton represents a triangulating right turn the party took which has not worked out, Sanders is a remarkable person who has maintained a singular vision and code all his life and is fearless as a lion in winter; he represents the future. Clinton tried sedulously to cause everyone to interrupt her so she could cry misogyny, when I believe Sanders treats her no differently than any human.
I tire of pundits reciting lists of how each candidate should change or tweak themselves. The best thing they can do is remain themselves.
For the record—in her senate career she sponsored three bills: to name a post office, a highway and to designate an historical site. Sanders has sponsored over seven hundred, and three have become law.
The tenor of this discussion was engaged and intense, but I saw no ropes around a ring, heard no bells and saw no truly underhanded behavior. Every year the press becomes more tabloid sensationalist.
Clinton represents a triangulating right turn the party took which has not worked out, Sanders is a remarkable person who has maintained a singular vision and code all his life and is fearless as a lion in winter; he represents the future. Clinton tried sedulously to cause everyone to interrupt her so she could cry misogyny, when I believe Sanders treats her no differently than any human.
I tire of pundits reciting lists of how each candidate should change or tweak themselves. The best thing they can do is remain themselves.
For the record—in her senate career she sponsored three bills: to name a post office, a highway and to designate an historical site. Sanders has sponsored over seven hundred, and three have become law.
The tenor of this discussion was engaged and intense, but I saw no ropes around a ring, heard no bells and saw no truly underhanded behavior. Every year the press becomes more tabloid sensationalist.
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Did we watch the same debate? Mrs. Clinton "has remained a polished and nimble performer?" She appeared sink down to new levels of smarminess and evasion that have become her trademark throughout all the debates. Mr. Sanders remains solid and humorous through it all. Again, it is obvious who the Times is cheering on. No mention of the cap on income exchange regarding social security, or the best line of the night--Bernie would release his transcripts of meetings with big donors--except there aren't any! And talk about evading questions. She was certainly nimble then! And when in doubt blame the husband.
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Mr Sanders may not win the nomination but he has opened the door for many young people to walk through on their way to seeking political office as a result of their work in this campaign. His candidacy is the first sign of the inevitable and in my opinion needed change in not only US but also world hierarchy.
Our planet and all the life it sustains is in danger of future collapse due entirely to the way we, the dominant species, have gone about extracting our needs. We have and continue to foul the water we depend on to nurture the soil and cool the air. The young among us know it is their world we are destroying and are determined to change the destructive practices of our and earlier generations.
This year's staged food fight between all the candidates is hopefully the last time we as a nation have to witness this vapidity on display. If not it will indicate our unwillingness to approach let alone confront the reality playing out and usher entropy to a front row seat for the last act of our destructive theatrical production.
Our planet and all the life it sustains is in danger of future collapse due entirely to the way we, the dominant species, have gone about extracting our needs. We have and continue to foul the water we depend on to nurture the soil and cool the air. The young among us know it is their world we are destroying and are determined to change the destructive practices of our and earlier generations.
This year's staged food fight between all the candidates is hopefully the last time we as a nation have to witness this vapidity on display. If not it will indicate our unwillingness to approach let alone confront the reality playing out and usher entropy to a front row seat for the last act of our destructive theatrical production.
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What this debate showed me is that Bernie can’t move from his stump speech, has no specifics, and bases his whole premise on the insinuation that everyone but him is a sellout. In addition, after a lifetime of being a gadfly—the quintessential outsider railing at the establishment—he would be completely outside of his skill set and comfort zone as president—the establishment par excellence. He is reactive rather than responsive, not nuanced and pliable enough to work in a complex world of competing interests. And can you imagine him pontificating and wagging his finger in the face of world leaders?
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Looking through the top reader picks, I'd say this is a win for Sanders. Granted, digital readers are more likely to support Sanders anyway. He also flubbed a bit in the beginning so not decisive. However, within the top 25-50 comments, I don't see a single one applauding Clinton. That speaks volumes to me.
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If I was the second coming of FDR, and knew that winning this election was crucial in a myriad of ways, and aligned against me was a reactionary Republican Party, now with almost unlimited financial resources thanks to Citizens United, I probably take the funds where I could get it. I feel that the Democratic nominee can't afford a noble defeat. The past (and hopefully future) Senator Russ Feingold has in the past limited his contributions to non PAC sources with mixed success. President Obama didn't think he could afford that kind of purity in 2012 and I don't think we can now Could the Sanders model of largely small donations work for the whole election cycle? Maybe -maybe not. Could people start to be tapped out in the middle of the general election when the Kochs and the Adelsons start to crank up? Could happen. Winston Churchill realized that sometimes you need support from those you wouldn't want otherwise when he stated " If Hitler invaded Hell, I would make a favorable reference to the Devil in the House of Commons."
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It was good to hear a candidate who wants justice for the Palestinians - who sees in Israel more than the far right wing faction of Netanyahu.
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I'm so tired of hearing from these Sanders feminists. All this tortured logic about why an angry old man is the better choice to represent women drives me nuts. Hey, ladies! Giving a speech for cash is a privilege women didn't have not so very long ago. In fact, Susan B. Anthony was not allowed to speak at temperance conventions, a contributing factor in her and Elizabeth Cady Stanton's founding the women's rights movement.
I am a feminist, and I support Senator Clinton. Girls need to see a woman president so that they can aim higher than my generation did.
Fortunately, I don't have to compromise ANYTHING to make this choice. From Clinton last night I heard nuanced responses that addressed the reality of our Congress, our nation, and our planet -- something Sanders absolutely REFUSES to address. Sanders will not, or cannot, come to earth. It would be a disaster to have him in the White House.
I am a feminist, and I support Senator Clinton. Girls need to see a woman president so that they can aim higher than my generation did.
Fortunately, I don't have to compromise ANYTHING to make this choice. From Clinton last night I heard nuanced responses that addressed the reality of our Congress, our nation, and our planet -- something Sanders absolutely REFUSES to address. Sanders will not, or cannot, come to earth. It would be a disaster to have him in the White House.
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I'm a Bernie Sanders supporter and it doesn't really matter who I think won because I'm not changing my mind, which I believe is true, at this point, of the vast majority of Democratic voters. In the absence of any watershed events directly affecting either candidates let them relax and take a break from these debates. They're both looking tired and after all, neither of them is a spring chicken anymore.
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Bernie suggested that he voted for pushing for democracy in Libya but not the ouster of Ghaddafi. Given the history of Ghaddafi's hold on Libya (may be Sanders is ignorant) and the neccesity of a regime change, Sanders essentially wanted the change but washed his hands of the outcome. He will do this at every turn.
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Hillary's Achilles' heel is the old-school "machine politics" she used everywhere. That's how she got her the Southern states, where the DLC (the Democratic Leadership Conference, about 600 power brokers, the "machine" her husband helped create) and the DLC influence on the corporate media, made sure nobody knew who Bernie Sanders was, in the beginning.
Super delegate system started about the same time as the DLC, and they too must go. The DLC breeds voter apathy, pushed a sense of fait accompli for Hillary from the beginning.
Super delegate system started about the same time as the DLC, and they too must go. The DLC breeds voter apathy, pushed a sense of fait accompli for Hillary from the beginning.
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It was difficult to comprehend what Bernie Sanders had to say while being totally distracted by his biting on his lips. What if he were talking to Vladimir Putin? Would he stop and pay attention or continue biting to prove his point?
Whoever wins we will either have Hillary Clinton as the first Madam President or Bernie Sanders the first lip biting President!
Whoever wins we will either have Hillary Clinton as the first Madam President or Bernie Sanders the first lip biting President!
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I watched half of the debate. It is refreshing compared to the Republican debates, which were the most embarrassing I've ever seen (thanks mostly to Trump, Cruz and Rubio but also the networks). I am not voting for either Sanders or Clinton, but I thought Sanders had the better of the exchanges for the most part, leaving aside who I agreed with or not on any particular point. If my choice was one of the two, I would prefer her though I personally like him more. I know her supporters don't see it, but I and some independents I know see her as very phony, always with the finger in the wind. Nevertheless, her relevant experience dwarfs his, and his "socialist" ideas are ruinous, even if laudable goals in some senses. Although she says she takes some of the same positions, I just don't believe her. That should be a negative, but I'd rather she be puffing than actually try to do them if she wins. I do not believe she will get indicted so long as she stands a chance to be president, whatever Obama says. If it happened (and I'm not even saying that it should - I'd have to know the legal charges and the allegations) it would actually make me feel that maybe sometimes no one is above the law. I just won't believe it until I see it.
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A careful calculator versus a passionate but thoughtful person. In most cases the latter would win. Not when corporate interests can turn the tide. It will take a ground swell of public opinion for Bernie Sanders to have a chance to defeat Hillary Clinton. The establishment wants Hillary. The people want Bernie.
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The Clintons once famously claimed that Hillary and Bill came as a two for one package. Yet Hillary clearly and remorselessly shoved Bill under the bus last night. Might this not cause one to wonder how she will treat three hundred million people who are not married to her or cannot make enormous donations for her cause?
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When they first started to argue at each other in their campaigns, I felt like I was a kid having to watch parents, whom I both loved, breaking up in a divorce and I was torn as to which one I'd have to go live with when I wanted to be with both together. But now, after months of this fighting, I've decided I want to go live with Bernie . . . he's still what he always was, whereas she's turned into something I don't even want to recognize anymore. She scares me.
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I'm surprised that HRC's handlers are letting her go so ferociously at Bernie. Look, folks, there is absolutely zero doubt who is going to win the Democratic nomination. And Hillary will need the support of the Sanders voters come November. So it puzzles me that she's lashing at him so severely when she knows she's going to be the nominee and she knows she's going to need the young, the disaffected, the high progressives, the blue collar, and the unemployed -- in other words, the Sanders voters -- to beat the Republicans in the general election.
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Clinton clearly had a strategy to "filibuster" the debate, rambling -- truly rambling -- over her time as a way to minimize the amount of time Sanders got to speak. And perhaps trying to goad him into some action that would make him appear to be a bully or a sexist; good that he didn't take the bait.
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it was a very bad night for Bernie. He presented himself as a desperate candidate trying to play catch up. He has received very bad advice from his handlers to go strong on the attack. But in doing so he merely pointed up his great weaknesses regarding his record on gun safety and fairness (he's far to the right on Hillary on that issue), his weakness on foreign policy and his lack of knowledge and stubbornness on economic issues. He tried to paint Hillary as weak on climate change (she's not) and beholden to Wall Street, but he could not come up with one example of how she has been.
Hillary did not vote to invade Iraq, per se; she -- like most of Congress based on the information they were given, including the testimony by the highly respected (at least at the time) Secretary of State Colin Powell -- to authorize President Bush to invade Iraq only if the international inspectors were allowed in and if they found hard evidence of WMD. It was President Bush who violated the terms of the authorization and invaded without the evidence.
On the other issue Bernie attacked on -- well, he voted for the crime bill, voted against the Brady Bill, voted against the stimulus package that saved the U.S. economy, two major industries, millions of Middle Class jobs and savings. Hillary has the most comprehensive plan to not only create new jobs but halt or reverse climate change. Bernie has shown both chutzpah and foolishness throughout his campaign. Last night was no different.
Hillary did not vote to invade Iraq, per se; she -- like most of Congress based on the information they were given, including the testimony by the highly respected (at least at the time) Secretary of State Colin Powell -- to authorize President Bush to invade Iraq only if the international inspectors were allowed in and if they found hard evidence of WMD. It was President Bush who violated the terms of the authorization and invaded without the evidence.
On the other issue Bernie attacked on -- well, he voted for the crime bill, voted against the Brady Bill, voted against the stimulus package that saved the U.S. economy, two major industries, millions of Middle Class jobs and savings. Hillary has the most comprehensive plan to not only create new jobs but halt or reverse climate change. Bernie has shown both chutzpah and foolishness throughout his campaign. Last night was no different.
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A suggestion.........
Have these debates without an audience. They add nothing, waste time, change the atmosphere from what should be serious to more like a wrestling match, and turn every answer into an attempt at an applause line.
Have these debates without an audience. They add nothing, waste time, change the atmosphere from what should be serious to more like a wrestling match, and turn every answer into an attempt at an applause line.
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I suggest that a neu,tral party, a judge if you will, have two switches in front of him. When a candidate goes over his/her time the judge flips the switch to off, which silences the microphone of the person who went over. This would also work when one candidate speaks out of turn or over the other candidate. I have judged many high school and college debates, true debates, and have never seen two debaters behave so annoyingly and discourteously. How about a true Lincoln-Douglas debate based on college rules? And no interruptions from the audience. A Debate is not a basketball game.
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This debate between Sanders and Clinton has indeed become a contest of the visionary vs. the pragmatist. While the critics keep pointing out how Bernie is not forthcoming about specifics on how he will accomplish everything he wishes for the American people; at least he has the guts to try and take on the 0.1% who are destroying democracy in America. Hilary is a very smart woman; who has the ability to become a fine President if elected; but one wonders how hard she will fight the Koch Brothers and their ilk?!
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She will fight them powerfully, with the American people behind her.
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Hillary is smart, period. The constant gender qualifications are getting tired and sound a bit patronizing.
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The statement that Hillary is a smart woman was in NO WAY meant to be patronizing. I was trying to pay her a compliment ; PERIOD! I am glad that Senator Clinton has a far tougher skin then some of her ultra-P.C. supporters. The millions of young women supporting Bernie Sanders get this.
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A nation of 319 million people. A nation blessed by the opportunity to choose the leader of the free world. And what does it do? It narrows the choice to four people: Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders. 319 million and our choice is one of these four. How did it happen?
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Bernie Sanders is the Walter Mitty of Democratic politics. He doesn't offer a realistic answer to any questions about how he would make his brand of democratic socialism transform America into a paradise for those of us not members in good standing of the 1%.
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HRC: “This is a phony attack that is designed to raise questions when there is no evidence or support to undergird the insinuations.”
In law the principle is called "Res ispa loquitur"--it speaks for itself.
Sanders needn't prove collusion, bias, graft, corruption. Rather she needs to disprove it. His repeated calls for her to make public the speeches would be a first step. She refuses to do it.
Of course it is POSSIBLE for judges to remain impartial despite conflicts of interest. But justice must also be seen to be done. So judges must recuse themselves in such conflicts. So too HRC.
In law the principle is called "Res ispa loquitur"--it speaks for itself.
Sanders needn't prove collusion, bias, graft, corruption. Rather she needs to disprove it. His repeated calls for her to make public the speeches would be a first step. She refuses to do it.
Of course it is POSSIBLE for judges to remain impartial despite conflicts of interest. But justice must also be seen to be done. So judges must recuse themselves in such conflicts. So too HRC.
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Is this supposed to be an unbiased article? From the first line to the last, this is a skewed representation of last night. At no occasion would I characterize Mr. Sanders as "savaging" nor did it ever seem to me that he "hoped to humiliate" Mrs. Clinton. I would say all the contrary, that Mrs. Clinton repeatedly tried to humiliate and "savage" Mr. Sanders and she has been doing it on a regular basis as soon as she felt him to be a threat a couple of months ago. Of course NYT gives her a pass. This is not journalism. Mrs. Clinton was slippery and not at all "nimble" when she attempted to answer questions about Palestine or tax caps on the rich. She unfairly and inaccurately concluded that Sanders does not support Pres. Obama, a cheap shot completely unrelated to the healthy criticisms he was presenting about policy. Contrary to this paper's biased reporting also, Sanders presents as many - or more - details on the "how" of his plans as Mrs. Clinton. This is a wholly unfair characterization, no doubt driven by underlying interests, of last night's debate. I hope the NYT readers are wiser than its writers.
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Time for a new generalization. When this started, Hillary was often criticized, for her strident tone because is was unbecoming a woman, and everyone screamed "sexism". Now Bernie, and elderly, grey haired, old man, talking with a great deal of resolve, is denounced as "savaging" for defenseless Hillary. Isn't their and inconsistency here? What is the term for generalizing how such old people should behave, anyway? Paternalism? Geritolism? Or something like that?
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I'm weary of hearing the argument that Bernie's "rallying cries" over big banks is tired. If you look at the hardcore facts, many of society's ills and social problems stem from income and wealth inequality. HE GETS IT.
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Bernie Sanders is called a pie eyed dreamer for suggesting we can have universal healthcare--present in virtually every other developed country.
Mrs Clinton, hard-eyed realist, thought it was fine for a Secretary of State to conduct all official business on a home-brew email systemset up in her basement.
The insanity of these perspectives is what you call spin.
Go Bernie
Mrs Clinton, hard-eyed realist, thought it was fine for a Secretary of State to conduct all official business on a home-brew email systemset up in her basement.
The insanity of these perspectives is what you call spin.
Go Bernie
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This was less a debate than a Brooklyn brawl. Despite apparently having most of the crowd cheering him on, Sanders lack of specificity on major issues he raised, e.g., how to gain control over the influence of big money in politics and U.S. life, made him less appealing. In the end, Clinton scored the TKO.
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I have to agree. Bernie's plans are more idealistic, and perhaps less achievable. And Hillary provides much more specificity. The only problem is that Hillary is completely corrupt, and everything she says is a lie.
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I hope this is the last debate for Bernie. I am so disgusted by his routine. The hand-raising, pointing, gesticulating, grimacing, talking over, laughing, shouting, showing no respect for his opponent. It all has the ugly face of an angry old man belittling his wife and bullying her into submission like he's always done. And I am disgusted with his inability to defend his proposals without slipping into his stock stump speech. And I'm furious at him for inserting himself into the Israeli-Palestinian conflict by suggesting a change in American Policy. Furious at him for demanding that Israel only respond proportionally to being attacked by thousands of missiles. What would his tune be if those rockets and tunnels had killed thousands of Israelis as was their intent. Is that what he would do as Commander-in-Chief if we were attacked, respond proportionally or, as is our current policy, use overwhelming force? Is that how he would destroy ISIS? And I'm disgusted by his desire to rip apart American institutions with no thought given as to what would follow. How would it affect those of us in the middle-class that are employees and investors in these institutions? It's not just the rich that will suffer, it will be all of us. As for his adoring acolytes, the cliff is right ahead. I'll stay on terra firma and vote for Hillary Clinton!
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There were several opportunities to expose Hillary's dishonesty and hypocrisy that Sanders missed, which was intensely frustrating. Clinton hired the very NRA lobbyist who fought against background checks and other regulation last month, to co-chair a fundraiser, for example. And attendees at some of her Goldman Sachs events have spoken about her message, which has been reported as being extremely pro-Goldman and dismissive of the responsibility of financial institutions for the meltdown in '08. WHY didn't he bring this up? And he had the opportunity to take down the smears perpetrated by the Daily News and their misleading reporting about his response to questions about breaking up the banks, analysis of which has been published by Robert Reich and others. Intensely frustrating.
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FACT: Both candidates fudged a bit about their what they've actually done or said. ALL POLITCIANS DO THIS.
FACT: Both candidates fudge a bit about their opponents records/statements. AGAIN, ALL POLITICIANS DO THIS!
Anyone who expects absolute honesty from a candidate doesn't understand the process. Here is the problem though. Sanders started out his campaign saying he wasn't going to go negative and showed really ethical behavior with his famous line "i'm sick of hearing about her emails." It was all an act! He's proved that he can't do that. He IS just like all other politicians! Oh, he's an eloquent and passionate speaker! He has rallied an enormous fan base delivering his sound bytes.
Unfortunately, many are those from the very far left and/or very young. Too young to really know the political, economic and social issues/environment of 20-25 years ago. They don't realize that the mass incarceration of people with brown skin started back in the 80's. The 94 crime bill made it a bit worse. They don't understand unintended consequences and how often those thing happen even with the best of intentions. They believe the republican/Sanders lies about HRC. Sanders perpetuates these for his own gain.
Sanders oesn't provide any "how to" in his policies. He just identifies the problems and cites end goals. His young followers see him as a Saint who can do no wrong. They abandon any critical thinking skills they had BB (before Bernie). They blindly follow their Pied Piper.
FACT: Both candidates fudge a bit about their opponents records/statements. AGAIN, ALL POLITICIANS DO THIS!
Anyone who expects absolute honesty from a candidate doesn't understand the process. Here is the problem though. Sanders started out his campaign saying he wasn't going to go negative and showed really ethical behavior with his famous line "i'm sick of hearing about her emails." It was all an act! He's proved that he can't do that. He IS just like all other politicians! Oh, he's an eloquent and passionate speaker! He has rallied an enormous fan base delivering his sound bytes.
Unfortunately, many are those from the very far left and/or very young. Too young to really know the political, economic and social issues/environment of 20-25 years ago. They don't realize that the mass incarceration of people with brown skin started back in the 80's. The 94 crime bill made it a bit worse. They don't understand unintended consequences and how often those thing happen even with the best of intentions. They believe the republican/Sanders lies about HRC. Sanders perpetuates these for his own gain.
Sanders oesn't provide any "how to" in his policies. He just identifies the problems and cites end goals. His young followers see him as a Saint who can do no wrong. They abandon any critical thinking skills they had BB (before Bernie). They blindly follow their Pied Piper.
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I would feel better about Sanders if he had even one signature achievement in his decades in Congress. All talk, no walk.
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He opposed the Iraq War; he opposed NAFTA; he opposed the bank bailout; he opposes fracking. He always stands with the people -- not the 1%. We need more like Bernie.
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Obviously, if the MS Media does not inform you - you don't know it.
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get back to me when you can name a single thing HRC accomplished in the Senate (other than sponsoring bills to name highway rest stops & buildings) or as Secretary of State (other than advocating failed policies in Libya, Syria & with Russia).
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Hearing Sanders stance on Israel spelled out as clearly and as fully as it was last night has caused me to consider doing something I once considered unthinkable: voting for a Republican if Sanders is my party's nominee. Sanders obviously understands nothing when it comes to the legitimacy of US policy policy toward Israel. He needs to read some history (actually, some of his own history) before he shoots his mouth off.
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Sanders, for all his well-meaning bluster, lives in a fifth dimension. What he proposes will never pass in Congress. Clinton is the only viable, electable candidate. Period.
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More of the same! More of the same!
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viable, electable...indictable, convictable
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And the Republicans are going to fall all over themselves to pass Hillary' proposals? Talk about bluster! Hillary has been the target of Republican hatred for years and they certainly are not going to play nice if she were to be elected president. We will have four years of turmoil, accusations and votes for impeachment.
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When Clinton was asked to release her speeches, she said she'll do it if everyone will do it. Everyone who? should have been pointed out by the stupid CNN hosts. On the democratic side which she is trying to secure, she is the only one who had given such speeches.
Sanders was fierce but the moderators left much out. For instance the "small detail" that the NY financial meltdown happened under Hillary's watch as a NY senator. That how effective her "calling them out" was before and after taking their fat checks to be silent and keep her eyes closed.
Sanders was fierce but the moderators left much out. For instance the "small detail" that the NY financial meltdown happened under Hillary's watch as a NY senator. That how effective her "calling them out" was before and after taking their fat checks to be silent and keep her eyes closed.
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The 'judgement' of Hillary, was instrumental in the Libyan regime change. All over again, unintended and detrimental consequences have occurred and are still playing out--- lessons unlearned from Iraq.
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Lots of "I" did this, "I" was there, "I" . . . from Hillary last evening.
Presumably she's referring to these specific historic items as examples of her experience for success.
She shouldn't.
"HillaryCare" ? Amateurishly conceived & inappropriately delivered by the then First Lady. All which added fuel to what became a health care firestorm in the mid-90s. A hugely important reform nearly permanently derailed thanks to Hillary.
"Libya" Hillary led the way in disposing Muammar Gadaffi -- only to create a broken nation/state because no proper reconstruction plans were in place.
Now, as of April 2016, ISIS is expanding rapidly in broad areas north of Tripoli.
Well done, Madam Secretary.
Presumably she's referring to these specific historic items as examples of her experience for success.
She shouldn't.
"HillaryCare" ? Amateurishly conceived & inappropriately delivered by the then First Lady. All which added fuel to what became a health care firestorm in the mid-90s. A hugely important reform nearly permanently derailed thanks to Hillary.
"Libya" Hillary led the way in disposing Muammar Gadaffi -- only to create a broken nation/state because no proper reconstruction plans were in place.
Now, as of April 2016, ISIS is expanding rapidly in broad areas north of Tripoli.
Well done, Madam Secretary.
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Public participation in elections is critical. Everyone should vote and read/listen to a good-quality news outlet. Kids should be schooled on civics. But political debates should not be held before a rabble. Politicians should not shout their positions, which have devolved into just glorified applause lines. Put two candidates in a studio with intelligent moderators and let them discuss their viewpoints.
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Hillary is obviously intelligent, but she strikes me as a master of equivocation who provides an overabundance of detail in an effort to seem credible. You lose people when you start rattling off names, dates, times, cities and airports. She does have experience, but years on a job doesn't mean you excelled at that job. I have worked with colleagues who spent decades in a position and had very little to show for it.
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If there is one thing we can say to be true regarding politicians, it's that they promise a gazillion things while campaigning, and then deliver only a few after being elected.
For me, I find Mr. Sanders to be a promising machine, accusing Clinton over and over to make himself seem more believable.
Hillary, on the other hand, stays more within herself, and her record. She is more respectful, and, like it or not, more confident. And, because she bases a lot of her rhetoric on her record, which is real, I believe in her more.
Now, on the subject of qualifications, and being qualified to be president. I would like to hear both of them address the issue of war being obsolete, and the notion that relationship, not bombs, is a more reliable resource for security in the world today.
This upcoming primary is in New York. If 911 proved anything, it is that the largest military in the world won't keep you safe. Relationship can do that. Weaponry cannot.
WAR IS OBSOLETE. Say it out loud. Say it to each other. Write it down. Remember it right here and now. The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything and we must eradicate the institution of war once and for all if we want to survive.
Relationship is the master organizing principle of the cosmos. It MUST become the master organizing principle of our planet, and our humanity and our president as well.
In the final analysis, the only true "enemy" is ourselves, and our reluctance to see the way we are, and what we must do.
For me, I find Mr. Sanders to be a promising machine, accusing Clinton over and over to make himself seem more believable.
Hillary, on the other hand, stays more within herself, and her record. She is more respectful, and, like it or not, more confident. And, because she bases a lot of her rhetoric on her record, which is real, I believe in her more.
Now, on the subject of qualifications, and being qualified to be president. I would like to hear both of them address the issue of war being obsolete, and the notion that relationship, not bombs, is a more reliable resource for security in the world today.
This upcoming primary is in New York. If 911 proved anything, it is that the largest military in the world won't keep you safe. Relationship can do that. Weaponry cannot.
WAR IS OBSOLETE. Say it out loud. Say it to each other. Write it down. Remember it right here and now. The unleashed power of the atom has changed everything and we must eradicate the institution of war once and for all if we want to survive.
Relationship is the master organizing principle of the cosmos. It MUST become the master organizing principle of our planet, and our humanity and our president as well.
In the final analysis, the only true "enemy" is ourselves, and our reluctance to see the way we are, and what we must do.
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This would have been a completely different and I believe a more meaningful debate with a mandated quiet audience. Too much pandering to the audience and not enough in-depth discussion. I had to turn it off.
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So, Bernie Sanders "won" six of the last seven primaries? it's difficult for me to call his performance a victory in these small states when each time he received a smaller percentage of the total delegates available then he would need eventually at that rate to overtake Hillary Clinton. And after each performance, he required a a higher percentage performance in the next state in order to overtake her. The media try so desperately to continue the "contest" between the two Democratic nominees that they ignore the fact that Bernie gets further and further behind each time he"wins."
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And he won those states by large margins. But don't worry -- there will be no change. Our master do not want change.
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Hillary's last "winning" poll involved only 302 phone calls for the entire Empire State, 2/3 of which were on land lines.
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Sanders cleaned Clinton's clock on all counts. He exposed her hypocrisy on every level, from accepting millions in speaking fees from donors to the Clinton Foundation, to her lack of a single accomplishment as a U.S. Senator and Secretary of State. When will Clinton release the transcripts of her speeches? Why is she being handled with kid gloves by the U.S. Justice Department after breaking federal law by using her personal server to send and receive top secret e-mails? And when will somebody ask her how she turned a $1000 investment in cattle futures into a $100,000 profit in less than one year while her husband was the governor of Arkansas?
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Another Democratic debate to divide the party, rather then unite Oh, yeah. Oooh, ahhh, that's how it always starts. Then later there's running and um, screaming (Dr. Ian Malcolm, The Lost World:Jurassic Park II) . . . then there’s more screaming, finger pointing, interrupting, innuendo and chaos. Enough with the debates.
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This article is infuriating. When will we judge Hillary as critically as Bernie? The media and news sources should strive to be unbiased. The recent debate was the only one so far that actually challenged Hillary. The result was that most people saw how incapable she was to give a straight, honest answer. Give me a real answer!!! Can she say something that isn't just for the sake of trying to appeal or win over a new constituent group? You can't get all the claps Hillary. Bernie has consistently avoided "going there" with remarks, but when you are pushed by someone who will say anything to get a vote, you do start standing up for yourself and calling them out. You "go there". Bernie is a breathe of fresh air in a political world full of ambiguous jargon and jabs, and sold-out establishment souls who don't really care about Americans, only how to maintain the status quo. Let's bring the Democratic Party back to what it was before and not pretend like it was never able to accomplish progressive goals. When will the media stop portraying Bernie as some outsider to the party? The Democratic Party used to be LIBERAL. Unfortunately he does not get the same positive nods from news outlets as Hillary seems to unfairly receive. She must be equally scrutinized and called out.
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I am so saddened by the choices we have for president, on both sides, but there is something that saddens me even more. If it seems more likely than not that Hillary Clinton will win, the thought of Bill Clinton back in the White House, a place where much havoc was wrought during his tenure, is something no one seems to talk about but which scares me to death.
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Where were all the Bernie supporters in 2010 when the Republicans took back the house in a takeover that will negatively affect voting districts for another 20 years for all Democrats?
At home. Chilling. Couldn't be bothered.
Hillary proved again last night that she will actually accomplish the goals set when she's elected. Sanders is a great guy. A wonderful dreamer. I have donated to him. But Hillary is the next President. Even when the far left stays at home once again. Clever, people, really clever.
At home. Chilling. Couldn't be bothered.
Hillary proved again last night that she will actually accomplish the goals set when she's elected. Sanders is a great guy. A wonderful dreamer. I have donated to him. But Hillary is the next President. Even when the far left stays at home once again. Clever, people, really clever.
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"Where were all the Bernie supporters in 2010 when the Republicans took back the house in a takeover that will negatively affect voting districts for another 20 years for all Democrats"?
Tim,
People might have shown up if the DLC hadn't scuttled the values of The Great Society and the Fair Deal.
And now you ask this 60yr old lifelong Dem. to show enthusiasm for a disciple of the war criminal Kissinger? Her being a lap-dog for Bibi doesn't really help, either.
Tim,
People might have shown up if the DLC hadn't scuttled the values of The Great Society and the Fair Deal.
And now you ask this 60yr old lifelong Dem. to show enthusiasm for a disciple of the war criminal Kissinger? Her being a lap-dog for Bibi doesn't really help, either.
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You seem to forget that there was no Presidential campaign in 2010 and he is what the democrats USED to be. Now that he is running those people now feel there actually is someone out there who is listening and thankfully, is not encumbered by big money interests. Hillary is appealing to those primarily to the sixty and up age group, she is the past not the future.
In the primaries of 2007-2008 Obama stated as such when in one of his TV ads he last sentence was it was time to turn the page on the Clintons and the Bushs.
In the primaries of 2007-2008 Obama stated as such when in one of his TV ads he last sentence was it was time to turn the page on the Clintons and the Bushs.
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Sad to see in the NY Times comments the vitriolic sexist labels hurled at Ms Clinton. The repeated characterization of her here as some evil demon who single handedly started wars, covets money beyond morality, an untrustworthy Jezebel is all based in perception and not reality. Criticizing her as not being a team player, too ambitious and solely out for herself is a recurring theme in these comments. And then when called out on how sexist these remarks are - the old attempt to call me sexist for"making up" bias where there isn't. I know this line of attack well. It's the same one used about Obama with race. Check your privilege.
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Did the NY TIMES miss Dana Bash courageously and repeatedly pressing Ms. Clinton on releasing the transcripts of her speeches to Wall Street bankers?
Ms. Clinton said she'd do it when everyone else does. Huh? She's running for the Democratic nomination. The only other "everyone" is Senator Sanders and he hasn't made any paid speeches to Wall Street. Where are those transcripts Ms. Clinton?
If Ms. Clinton gets the nomination, does anyone doubt that the fat cats will make sure the transcripts are released?
Ms. Clinton said she'd do it when everyone else does. Huh? She's running for the Democratic nomination. The only other "everyone" is Senator Sanders and he hasn't made any paid speeches to Wall Street. Where are those transcripts Ms. Clinton?
If Ms. Clinton gets the nomination, does anyone doubt that the fat cats will make sure the transcripts are released?
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I wish Bernie would stop that finger waving as he waits to interject. He comes across as old and stern and too reminiscent of elementary school teachers admonishing unruly children. It could be a preview of how he would govern if given the chance.
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Reading these comments and replies one wonders if there will be any Democrat left alive when the general election comes around . Those gleeful comments I read months ago in this paper about please nominate Trump so HRC can walk into the White House? Just let me say "Bernie or bust"... Be careful what you wish for...
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Please, Even. Mrs. Clinton lost...
It was not even close.
I guess even for Bernie is a Win with the Times...
The New York Times is becoming Fox News, It's very Sad...
It was not even close.
I guess even for Bernie is a Win with the Times...
The New York Times is becoming Fox News, It's very Sad...
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Sanders is finished....waste of time even repeating on this.
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Sanders really worked some magic last night.
Specifically on Social Security. He forced Sec. Clinton to go beyond the medias belief of him just pushing her to the left with her lip service and actual made her commit to expanding the cap on Social Security (was like watching someone wrestle with eels but he got a promise).
This is a why she wanted to avoid the debates all together, not only because she fears Bernie Sanders will win, but that she is forced to me more progressive then she actually is. i am telling you now that this promise and the promise to stop deportations in the Miami debate will come back to haunt her.
Even if Bernie fails to win the nomination, and Sec. Clinton becomes POTUS. I sincerely believe her failure to commit to these promises made to Democrats in the 2016 primaries will allow a primary challenger to defeat her in 2020 (because i do not believe she will be beyond meeting up with Paul Ryan and putting forth the Republican version of Social Security reform rather than that put forth the reforms of Sanders and other Democrats)
Specifically on Social Security. He forced Sec. Clinton to go beyond the medias belief of him just pushing her to the left with her lip service and actual made her commit to expanding the cap on Social Security (was like watching someone wrestle with eels but he got a promise).
This is a why she wanted to avoid the debates all together, not only because she fears Bernie Sanders will win, but that she is forced to me more progressive then she actually is. i am telling you now that this promise and the promise to stop deportations in the Miami debate will come back to haunt her.
Even if Bernie fails to win the nomination, and Sec. Clinton becomes POTUS. I sincerely believe her failure to commit to these promises made to Democrats in the 2016 primaries will allow a primary challenger to defeat her in 2020 (because i do not believe she will be beyond meeting up with Paul Ryan and putting forth the Republican version of Social Security reform rather than that put forth the reforms of Sanders and other Democrats)
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America has an opportunity to elect the next FDR... But the establishment (corporations and billionaires) and the establishment owned media is backing a pathological lying phony with a history of poor judgement and few accomplishments. A phony who has supported bogus wars and trade agreements that enriched the establishment at the expense of average Americans, then proceeded to enrich herself off of the corrupt system she helped to create...
Conclusion: It is time for regime change... The only regime change Hillary doesn't support.
Conclusion: It is time for regime change... The only regime change Hillary doesn't support.
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Bernie Sanders is no FDR. Bernie Sanders is Eleanor Roosevelt. FDR was an incrementalist who held his finger to the wind to see which way the electorate was headed before making important decisions. This is why the AAA favored large farmers/growers, why the NIRA left out domestics and other low-wage employees. It's also why Social Security was enacted in 1935, after California very nearly elected a socialist as governor and Townsend Clubs cropped up all across America, promoting monthly government stipends for the elderly. As for anti-lynching laws, forget it.
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I am amazed as I read the reports on the Democrats that there are a number of points that are almost never mentioned:
The so-called super-delegates are people who are permitted to choose the candidate simply by virtue of their position in the Democratic party. They are the most blatant expression of the bias, and fear, of the established power which resides in and controls that party. It is antidemocratic. Take away this advantage from Clinton, and the candidates are virtually tied in delegates.
The so-called super-delegates are people who are permitted to choose the candidate simply by virtue of their position in the Democratic party. They are the most blatant expression of the bias, and fear, of the established power which resides in and controls that party. It is antidemocratic. Take away this advantage from Clinton, and the candidates are virtually tied in delegates.
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As for taking contributions and changing her vote, consider this:
During the latter years of Bill Clinton’s presidency, Elizabeth Warren helped convince Hillary Clinton to lobby her husband’s administration against a bankruptcy bill that helped credit card companies extract more money from broke households. Then, when Clinton moved to the Senate, she supported the bill. Warren cried foul, suggesting that the campaign finance pressures of being a senator had influenced her position.
During the latter years of Bill Clinton’s presidency, Elizabeth Warren helped convince Hillary Clinton to lobby her husband’s administration against a bankruptcy bill that helped credit card companies extract more money from broke households. Then, when Clinton moved to the Senate, she supported the bill. Warren cried foul, suggesting that the campaign finance pressures of being a senator had influenced her position.
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Climate change, even though a big concern, has Sanders ranting like the mad professor.
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When Sanders said he was running for president without accepting money from super pacs, a lot of people probably wanted to know how he planned to accomplish something so impossible. He's done it.
The Daily News interview wasn't all that earth shattering but it's definitely a potential Achilles heel and a wake up call to Sander's people to get less vague about the how. Get specific and articulate the plan, Bernie. Read the interview people.
The Daily News interview wasn't all that earth shattering but it's definitely a potential Achilles heel and a wake up call to Sander's people to get less vague about the how. Get specific and articulate the plan, Bernie. Read the interview people.
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More police officers on the street and a ban on assault weapons are good things, while both parties agree on prison reform. Would Bernie Sanders ever be held account for his wife's actions in the past? And Sanders of course actually voted for the 1994 bill. This is one of those double standards where anything President Clinton did is held against Hillary Clinton.
The gun issue will not go away for Sen. Sanders. Vermont is considered the second friendliest gun state by the NRA and has bad numbers on guns used for domestic violence and suicides. It is a hub for gun trafficking and a Vermont gun was used by one of the Paris terrorists last year. With 33,000 people dying each year from gun violence, this is a serious issue.
Random accusations against Wall Street corruption have zero to do with this. Sec. Clinton's speeches were after she was a senator and played no role in any votes. Sen. Sanders pro-gun votes however came directly after he was originally endorsed by Wayne LaPierre and the NRA.
Not to have any questions on reproductive health is a serious matter. Women's health access and abortion rights have been under unceasing attack for years by Republican legislators and the Supreme Court While I trust both Sec. Clinton and Sen. Sanders to have the right views on this matter, I do not trust Sen. Sanders to make this a priority. His obsession with Wall Street banks is too one-sided. Women, minorities, gun victims are important.
The gun issue will not go away for Sen. Sanders. Vermont is considered the second friendliest gun state by the NRA and has bad numbers on guns used for domestic violence and suicides. It is a hub for gun trafficking and a Vermont gun was used by one of the Paris terrorists last year. With 33,000 people dying each year from gun violence, this is a serious issue.
Random accusations against Wall Street corruption have zero to do with this. Sec. Clinton's speeches were after she was a senator and played no role in any votes. Sen. Sanders pro-gun votes however came directly after he was originally endorsed by Wayne LaPierre and the NRA.
Not to have any questions on reproductive health is a serious matter. Women's health access and abortion rights have been under unceasing attack for years by Republican legislators and the Supreme Court While I trust both Sec. Clinton and Sen. Sanders to have the right views on this matter, I do not trust Sen. Sanders to make this a priority. His obsession with Wall Street banks is too one-sided. Women, minorities, gun victims are important.
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And as others have pointed out, there was a lot of support in civil rights circles for that 1994 legislation. And a lot of yelling that we'd ignored the effects of drugs and crime and murder on our inner cities and the mostly-black people who lived there. Nor did unions complain about the jobs for builders and for guards that popped up because of the prison construction.
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I am surprised and disappointed that this article does not mention anything about the candidates remarks regarding gun legislation. It is a controversial issue in this country and the article fails to address it at all, including Sanders's inability to address accusations of support from the NRA and his record of voting against the Brady bill 5 times. I would be interested in reading a follow-up piece on this issue.
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I judge people by what they do - not what they say.
What did HRC do during the debate: ignore the rules, interrupt opponent, go over allotted time. If I wanted to elect a selfish person who does and takes whatever they want she would be for me!
What did HRC do during the debate: ignore the rules, interrupt opponent, go over allotted time. If I wanted to elect a selfish person who does and takes whatever they want she would be for me!
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Hillary may be a master of policy details and minutiae, but really, that is not the President's job. That's what advisors and the Cabinet are for. The President's job is to set an agenda, a vision, and then to use the bully pulpit to promote that vision and gather support to put pressure on the opposition. THAT Bernie has proven he can do, and frankly, Hillary has not.
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While it's true that President Jimmy spent way, way too much time scheduling the White House tennis court time, it's also true that Saint Reagan's disinterest in (or more accurately, distancing from) detail led straight to a little detail called "Iran-Contra," and little eensy things like, oh, violating Federal law, supporting fascist death squads, getting thousands killed in eensy countries like Honduras...
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Bernie will deliver the Presidency to the Tea Party and he will become the new Nader. Just like Nader, he will have his ego driven time in the spotlight and the country will have a disaster that could take decades to repair; if ever.
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history does NOT REPEAT repeat itself.
History does nothing but repeat itself.
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Bernie has jumped the shark. His tired and repetitive sound bites are becoming ever more shriller.
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@Barry Pressman on transcripts:
I'm guessing she was required to sign a non-disclosure agreement as part the deal. She wasn't a public employee at the time so there's no FOIA or GRAMA to force the issue. I'm guessing Goldman Sachs et al. are wise enough to include an NDA for an overpaid closed-door speaker.
Why Clinton can't just come out and say "I'm legally prevented from disclosing that information" suggests you're absolutely right. There's something in there she'd rather remain private and her contract isn't airtight. She probably could disclose but won't unless advantageous.
I'm guessing she was required to sign a non-disclosure agreement as part the deal. She wasn't a public employee at the time so there's no FOIA or GRAMA to force the issue. I'm guessing Goldman Sachs et al. are wise enough to include an NDA for an overpaid closed-door speaker.
Why Clinton can't just come out and say "I'm legally prevented from disclosing that information" suggests you're absolutely right. There's something in there she'd rather remain private and her contract isn't airtight. She probably could disclose but won't unless advantageous.
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Eight years ago, to get elected to the presidency, Obama had to pretend to be a moderate. He dismissed the importance of his longstanding ties to terrorists like William Ayers and Bernardine Dohrn. He pretended away the significance of his intimate relationship with his Jew-hating preacher Jeremiah Wright and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan. Obama insisted that he was a unifier, not a divider, and a star struck media supported his propaganda.
Obama abandoned his promise of moderation immediately upon entering office. Over the past seven years, he has turned Americans against one another. Racial tensions are higher than they have been since the 1970s. Conservatives and liberals share less and less. Moderates have all but disappeared.
Indeed, one of Obama’s main accomplishments within the Democratic Party is the destruction of the moderate Democratic camp.
When he entered office, there were 54 moderate Democrats in Congress. Today only 14 remain.
Sanders, whose campaign slogan is “revolution,” is proof that Obama has transformed the Democratic Party. Without Obama, Sanders would have remained a quack from Vermont.
Obama abandoned his promise of moderation immediately upon entering office. Over the past seven years, he has turned Americans against one another. Racial tensions are higher than they have been since the 1970s. Conservatives and liberals share less and less. Moderates have all but disappeared.
Indeed, one of Obama’s main accomplishments within the Democratic Party is the destruction of the moderate Democratic camp.
When he entered office, there were 54 moderate Democrats in Congress. Today only 14 remain.
Sanders, whose campaign slogan is “revolution,” is proof that Obama has transformed the Democratic Party. Without Obama, Sanders would have remained a quack from Vermont.
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Here in America I'd say the perception was exactly the opposite: many Democrats have been disappointed that the President has been much more of a moderate than the liberal thought we were voting for.
Like so much, it's all in your perception.
As far as divisiveness is concerned, see Speaker Maconel.
Like so much, it's all in your perception.
As far as divisiveness is concerned, see Speaker Maconel.
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The more I analyze what Hillary's planned policies are;the more I distrust her.Her answers are not specific,obtuse and show she is pandering to every special interest.Go Bernie!
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Once again the Democrats trash each other to the benefit of Trump & Company. I have never understood why this party's candidates are so willing to lose an election that they throw fuel on the fire of their opponents, especially after NPR, among other members of the media, have already endorsed the other party's leading candidate. We learned nothing from this "debate" except the candidates are fools. It's very sad, almost tragic, since the republicans also lack an intelligent candidate.
Rather than serving up more of the same-old same-old negativity during these debates, I respectfully suggest that candidates compete in a Great American Baking Show, their assignment to create a babka which is served to the judges, and may the best baker win!
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If Sanders had spent decades fighting the withering, toxic, vicious, personal attacks -- not political, but PERSONAL attacks -- that Hillary Clinton has endured from her foes on the Right and from the petulant, entitled, largely white pseudo-radicals on the Left, and if he was still able to accomplish a tenth of what HRC has managed to get done in her career, then I'd have a bit more respect for him. Right now, though, he's coming off like little more than a not-terribly-bright, finger-wagging scold. His adherents, meanwhile, are gleefully following suit. Clinton's not perfect. But she's light years ahead of Sanders in 9 out of 10 policy discussions.
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And not a mention of the debate's utter neglect of the Clinton family's RICO-foundation. Will it close down if HRC returns to public office? Let us not forget that for all her invocations of the President today, the Clintons failed to adhere to commitments reagardong foundation fund raising made to the Obama White House when HRC became Secretary of State.
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I, like so many, just don't trust Hillary Clinton. Nothing about using a private email server to circumvent FOIA requests, still refusing to release the transcripts of her paid Wall St. speeches and most recently obstructing reporters ability to hear her speech at a fundraiser this past weekend in Colorado, spells "transparency" to me. It was also so refreshing to hear a presidential candidate willing to speak the truth about the Israeli/Palestine conflict. There are two sides to every story and one side you rarely hear about in the US is the Palestinians side, because of the biased media Pro-Israel propaganda. Bernie is the truth and a man of integrity.
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Minor technical details include that all her e-mails pretty much got released, as did her tax records.
What IS the deal with Bernie Sanders' taxes? I mean, how hard can it be, given that they're innocent of privilege and complexity and fancy income and loophole-dodging...
What IS the deal with Bernie Sanders' taxes? I mean, how hard can it be, given that they're innocent of privilege and complexity and fancy income and loophole-dodging...
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Bottom line: we will see his tax returns -- we will not see her transcripts.
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Robert: All her emails minus the 30,000 they destroyed got released.
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The main difference between the candidates is that Bernie speaks about "We" while Clinton speaks about "I".
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"He said, she said" reporting. It's typical and we've heard it all before. Foreign affairs and domestic affairs, two nearly equal areas of campaign dialogue have been beaten to death.
As an 80 year-old voter, my deepest concern is for the 320 million people of our country. All of them.
Our people should be the targets of both parties; their care and welfare.
As an 80 year-old voter, my deepest concern is for the 320 million people of our country. All of them.
Our people should be the targets of both parties; their care and welfare.
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There is nothing anti-establishment about Bernie Sanders. A paternalist old white man who's been in politics for 45 years, presents himself as a savior, consistently supports the NRA and tries to hijack a party he has never supported is about as trustworthy as a rattlesnake. Last night he showed his slimy true colors. Treating gun legislation as a laughing matter, avoiding once again giving any substantial explanation about how he'd accomplish anything on his fantastical agenda, mocking black voters in the South by implying they're worthless in a general election... He's as trustworthy as Donald Trump. No wonder their support base is the same.
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"Consistently supports the NRA." Check you facts. His NRA rating is D-. You going to put your car dealer in prison if a drunk kills somebody in the car he sold legally?
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Ken, thank you for voicing my sentiment. Further, I am not surprised by the show of support by young voters whose lack of critical thinking skills is showing.
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Janet, could you be any more patronizing and dismissive of the young voters who are needed to drive a progressive movement forward? Perhaps it's your age & gender that drives your unquestioning support of Hillery Clinton. What, that statement is suggestive of stereotypes and a lack of critical thinking? Yes like yours and Ken's silly comment about NRA support of Sanders it reduces your views to a sound bite. I on the other hand am suppose to be a stereotypical Trump supporter (older, white, blue collar male). Fortunately like many of Bernie Sanders young supporters I am capable of critical thinking and see through a blatant exaggeration of Sander's position's and the false equivalency of comparing his supporters to Trumps.
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Please stop bickering, you two. As one of many who admires both of you, I will decide on your merits and not your aim with the mud.
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Great eloquence.
Bernie has the right words to say and respond.
Hillary comes across fiesty. I think the country will be better with Bernie Hillary Or Hillary Bernie as democrat candidates.
Let them unite and give run for the money to republican.
Wish them well.
Bernie has the right words to say and respond.
Hillary comes across fiesty. I think the country will be better with Bernie Hillary Or Hillary Bernie as democrat candidates.
Let them unite and give run for the money to republican.
Wish them well.
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I am proud to be an American when I think of all of the millions of young people all over the country that are voting for Bernie Sanders. These young people are educated and are making the best educated decision on the candidate who will endeavor to forge a better future for them. They ARE the future, so their vote is crucial!
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I'm really surprised that Clinton won't release her speeches. What harm can they do ? Her supporters say she's honest and only wants the best for our country. But this is a long held position for her: to be secretive and she has withheld information often before. This is really scary in someone who wants to be a leader in a democracy where the people's right to know is so critical to making informed decisions. Probably she would be more comfortable leading in another form of government in which the elites control the newspapers and decide what the people need to know.
I won't vote for her because I see a pattern of withholding information and I don't want a government that won't tell the truth.
I won't vote for her because I see a pattern of withholding information and I don't want a government that won't tell the truth.
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When Sen. Sanders mentioned his lead in the polls and in primaries and caucuses Mrs Clinton brought up her lead in the DELEGATE and Super Delegate counts. At the convention she could win due to agreements made prior to the primaries and caucus votes . Doesn’t each persons vote count? Apparently not really! The delegates and super delegates can override the popular vote. In the 21st century it should be one person one vote. The delegate system in the age of instant communication is outdated and an injustice to the people voting. One person/one vote --- please note the people are speaking!
Please no more Clintons. Hilary would have Bill glued to her side and would she still cling to Obama’s coattails?
Bernie Sanders is the best choice. FDR was made positive changes and over time so could Senator Sanders.
Please no more Clintons. Hilary would have Bill glued to her side and would she still cling to Obama’s coattails?
Bernie Sanders is the best choice. FDR was made positive changes and over time so could Senator Sanders.
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FDR had a political resume that Bernie cannot begin to compete with, for one thing that is wrong with this analogy. And FDR was the most savvy of politicians around very adept at straddling camps or not appearing to be on one side or the other lest he offend someone. Sanders if elected would be a worse version of Jimmy Carter, whom you are probably not old enough to remember, I susapect.
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There were two issues that resonated with me during the debate & helped me decide who to vote for. Bernie's stance on the Palestinians demonstrated that he has strong convictions regardless of the risks. In a city where Jews represent 15% of the vote, & is overwhelming supportive of Israel,Bernie was willing to lose their vote which is essential in winning New York, To me that showed tremendous character & resolve,although, I didn’t agree with him, but must respect him.
Hillary was as always the self assured political warrior, with questionable character, & with many skeletons in the closet, & i wish there was a candidate that i could passionately support,but unfortunately there isn’t.She will get my vote, because she demonstrated her political experience in the exchange over the minimum wage.While Bernie kept insisting he was always for the minimum wage to be $15.00, while Hillary accepted $12.00.She held her ground & rightly justified her decision to accept $12.00, which was a
compromise, with a hostile congress, which had been against anything that the Democrats put forth. She understood the necessity of compromise in a very decided congress.This has been sadly missing in the Obama administration & I believe it would be missing in a Sanders Administration,who will never accomplish any of his utopian Socialist issues unless the Congress by some miracle, swings to the left in the next election, which is unlikely.
Hillary was as always the self assured political warrior, with questionable character, & with many skeletons in the closet, & i wish there was a candidate that i could passionately support,but unfortunately there isn’t.She will get my vote, because she demonstrated her political experience in the exchange over the minimum wage.While Bernie kept insisting he was always for the minimum wage to be $15.00, while Hillary accepted $12.00.She held her ground & rightly justified her decision to accept $12.00, which was a
compromise, with a hostile congress, which had been against anything that the Democrats put forth. She understood the necessity of compromise in a very decided congress.This has been sadly missing in the Obama administration & I believe it would be missing in a Sanders Administration,who will never accomplish any of his utopian Socialist issues unless the Congress by some miracle, swings to the left in the next election, which is unlikely.
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While I acknowledge Clinton's deficiencies and often wish she were a stronger, more genuine candidate, I simply cannot support most of Sanders' positions. The 21st century is unique and requires more policy rigor than Sanders advances. If Sanders' "with me or against me" approach is the "future of the Democratic party", as many on this forum posit, this party will leave me. I believe the most poignant line of the night was Clinton's suggestion that Sanders is so uncompromising as to acknowledge a diversity of means to achieve a progressive end. We are better than the Freedom Caucus; we cannot be so unyielding and close-minded in our approaches to policy. The challenges this Nation faces are urgent and structural, but we cannot abandon the historically slow march of progress in favor of overreach and consequent reactionary action by conservatives.
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Your analysis ignores the widening gaps in wealth and income over the last 30 years and the profound negative effect these have on the American dream. How do this growing inequality fit "the historically slow march of progress" you posit?
Of course pragmatism and compromise are required to get anything done. There are 2 very different paths that these candidates take us on. Hillary's path will lead to the wealth gap continuing to increase at its current trajectory. She will continue to protect Wall Street and the corporations in industries that she likes. Bernie will break this cycle and is finally (hopefully) breaking this new democrat that the Clintons represent. The democrats controlled Congress from the 1950s to the 1990s. President Bill Clinton ended this. The Clintons are good for the top 10% but terrible for the bottom 90%.
There is one truth you can rely on with Bernie. He will be logical and will side with what he thinks is right, regardless of the Party line. His stance on guns is a clear example.
There is one truth you can rely on with Bernie. He will be logical and will side with what he thinks is right, regardless of the Party line. His stance on guns is a clear example.
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I think that one of the primary contentions of the Sanders campaign is that our slow march of progress has been slowed nearly to a halt by a bought government. Whether or not he wins, he has already made history in the way that he funded his campaign. Conservatism is promulgated by a demographic minority which happens to possess a majority of the economic resources. What I hear Sanders saying is not that we need to lash out at conservatives or have a closed-minded approach to policy, but that first and foremost we have to make our government representative of the populace. The claim is that most ordinary people want the same things, like a right to healthcare, education, jobs, and so forth, and that if we can achieve an honestly representative democracy, then it will not be difficult to win these kinds of things. To do something like that requires courage, clarity, and principled leadership, which I see coming more from Sanders than from Clinton.
It is worth noting that Clintons remark about a diversity of means was part of her evasion of the question of whether or not she supported raising the cap on taxable income to fund Social Security. She then said that she would raise the cap, then that she wouldnt, then that she might, or maybe not, but possibly... That is not the clarity or principled courage that we need.
It is worth noting that Clintons remark about a diversity of means was part of her evasion of the question of whether or not she supported raising the cap on taxable income to fund Social Security. She then said that she would raise the cap, then that she wouldnt, then that she might, or maybe not, but possibly... That is not the clarity or principled courage that we need.
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Clinton voted for the Iraq war purely politcal reasons. But Sanders votes with the gun lobby for equally political reasons. Sanders is a hypocrite. He sucks up to the people he needs to suck up to to keep his Senate seat, but criticizes Clinton for political decisions.
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There is only one word for New Yorkers to remember when voting in the Democratic primary: Integrity. Sanders has it, Clinton doesn't. Everything else is fluff.
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I was pleased that this debate drew more sharply their differences on fracking. Hillary still refers to this as clean energy, despite the fact that they methane leaks from fracking are a far more severe contributor to global warming then even the use of coal. She obfuscates his emphasis on the money she receives from oil and gas by saying that both of them get money from employees of oil and gas. A typical Hilary deceptive spin and Bernie called her on it. His money is from rank-and-file employees in the usual amount the small dribs and drabs. Hers is from lobbyists and executives to the maximum amount allowed to be contributed. She is the fracking candidate.
It is not so much a question or at least not simply a question whether you can find a particular instance in which her vote was changed by these powerful monied contributors, although there is a good clip of a younger Elizabeth Warren describing just such an instance. The point is also that big-money backs her with big money because they know she will ultimately protect their interests. Is she bought or was she already sold? Small difference. Bernie's point is that we get the candidates that big money backs with big money, super PACs etc, and this, not necessarily Hilary, is the corruption that needs to be changed. From this standpoint someone who is knee-deep part of the problem can hardly claim to be the solution, regardless how cleverly she styles her answers.
It is not so much a question or at least not simply a question whether you can find a particular instance in which her vote was changed by these powerful monied contributors, although there is a good clip of a younger Elizabeth Warren describing just such an instance. The point is also that big-money backs her with big money because they know she will ultimately protect their interests. Is she bought or was she already sold? Small difference. Bernie's point is that we get the candidates that big money backs with big money, super PACs etc, and this, not necessarily Hilary, is the corruption that needs to be changed. From this standpoint someone who is knee-deep part of the problem can hardly claim to be the solution, regardless how cleverly she styles her answers.
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Yes he wags his finger and waves his arms and shouts at her, but why does she always have to assume that supercilious little smirk every time he opens his mouth, and smile when he pokes an apt finger in her ribs? She seems to express contempt for himal though we all know she wouldn't have become nearly as "progressive" without him and the millions of voters he has attracted. I do congratulate her on bringing up the abortion issue, at last.
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Hillary took in over $3,000,000 from oil companies. Sanders accepted $54,000 from thousands of people who happen to work in the oil and gas industry.
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Every single time Sanders was challenged or questioned, he went back into his default mode: a speech about how money is ruining the country, with no details about what he will do to solve the problem. It was very, very clear to me that Clinton's view of the world and our country is far more intelligent and nuanced. Sanders is sanctimonious and self-righteous. And I'm beginning to have this creeping feeling that he's actually not that smart. He just doesn't seem to be able to answer basic questions about how he's going to make policy.
Furthermore, the elements of sexism in this campaign: Bernie, will you please stop waving your arms into Hilary Clinton's personal space? Will you please stop wagging your finger at her? People are criticizing HIlary for speaking over her time, but this is what men do in debates all the time. I'd really like to know how this race would be different if Bernie was a woman and Hilary a man. I've always felt that racism has been an element in attacks on Obama since the beginning, even though people won't admit it--and I think sexism is an element in this election season, even if people don't want to admit it. Young people forget that Clinton has been attacked by Republicans since the early nineties, when she was, coincidentally, fighting for universal health care. Now Democrats are attacking her.
Furthermore, the elements of sexism in this campaign: Bernie, will you please stop waving your arms into Hilary Clinton's personal space? Will you please stop wagging your finger at her? People are criticizing HIlary for speaking over her time, but this is what men do in debates all the time. I'd really like to know how this race would be different if Bernie was a woman and Hilary a man. I've always felt that racism has been an element in attacks on Obama since the beginning, even though people won't admit it--and I think sexism is an element in this election season, even if people don't want to admit it. Young people forget that Clinton has been attacked by Republicans since the early nineties, when she was, coincidentally, fighting for universal health care. Now Democrats are attacking her.
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Not necessarily gender related in my opinion. We have yet to see Bernie pull a Lazio move. Dismissive body language is fair game for a candidate's toolbox.
Hillary has done her fair share as well. She did little to demonstrate she took Chafee and Webb seriously as opponents. I was particularly miffed when she declined to respond to Lincoln's criticism in the first debate.
Hillary has done her fair share as well. She did little to demonstrate she took Chafee and Webb seriously as opponents. I was particularly miffed when she declined to respond to Lincoln's criticism in the first debate.
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She is conservative, too conservative for me. Twenty years ago Hillary would be a conservative republican.
And people forget how that racism played into to Hilary's vicious campaign against Obama in 2008. She plays to the moment, sans integrity.
It's hard for me to judge that Berni Sanders will be the right candidate for president based on his attempt to put Hillary Clinton with Wall Street and SuperPAC. I would have been more lenient towards him, had he had displayed himself as more self expressive of his plans.
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There was a debate last night? Huh. Please tell me what was said so I can become more informed on the issues.
These “debates” are now nothing more than rehashing of one-liners on the campaign trail. You could save a lot of reporters time and effort by just cutting and pasting “New York” into whatever city the last debate was in. Frankly, these are more like pro-wrestling than informative discussions.
Wake me up when its time to vote.
These “debates” are now nothing more than rehashing of one-liners on the campaign trail. You could save a lot of reporters time and effort by just cutting and pasting “New York” into whatever city the last debate was in. Frankly, these are more like pro-wrestling than informative discussions.
Wake me up when its time to vote.
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Sanders is an very angry old man and demonstrated last night he does not have the temperament to be President. I am starting to dislike Sanders more each passing day of this campaign especially since he sold out to the gun lobby to get elected in Vermont. His supporter need to cool it too!
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Can we please refrain from the age discrimination?
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If Bernie wins the American people win.
If Hilarity wins, the American people definitely lose.
And, everyone, I mean everyone, completely understands this.
If Hilarity wins, the American people definitely lose.
And, everyone, I mean everyone, completely understands this.
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"Everyone completely understands this." Everyone, seriously?
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What could possibly be in those Wall Street speech transcripts which compels Secretary Clinton to continue stonewalling their release? And is that the absolutely best excuse — I’ll do it when everyone else does — that her campaign and super-PAC brain trust could come up with? You’re forced to believe she has something very damaging to hide, something worse than the loss of credibility her evasiveness creates.
I came into the debate convinced I would vote for whoever becomes the nominee. Now, I don’t know. I’m just so sick of this sort of behavior. I’m 64 and have voted in every election I could. I’ve chosen the lesser of evils more often than I would have thought. This time around, maybe I let others carry the ball. To get my vote, you’ve got to level with me, quit the game playing. My vote is worth something. You’ve got to earn it. You’ve got to deserve it.
I came into the debate convinced I would vote for whoever becomes the nominee. Now, I don’t know. I’m just so sick of this sort of behavior. I’m 64 and have voted in every election I could. I’ve chosen the lesser of evils more often than I would have thought. This time around, maybe I let others carry the ball. To get my vote, you’ve got to level with me, quit the game playing. My vote is worth something. You’ve got to earn it. You’ve got to deserve it.
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Well said, sir. I feel the same way.
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I think the funniest segment was when Wolf asked why Sanders could not locate his tax returns from 2014. Are he and his wife that disorganized ? if you are running for president, don't you have to get a few things ready?
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If Bernie really wanted to question Hillary's judgment, why not ask the tough questions surrounding Benghazi, email server decisions, the questionable Clinton Foundation issues, and her stepping down as Secretary of State?
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Wow! That first paragraph should coast home easily for tabloid-writing-of-the-year prize!
Savaged! Seizing! Ferocious!! Back in 2008, plenty of Americans felt the savagery and ferocity of the system as they came to terms with banks' roles in the loss of their homes.
I'll take Sanders' determination to change the entire system over Hillary's promises and the company she keeps.
Savaged! Seizing! Ferocious!! Back in 2008, plenty of Americans felt the savagery and ferocity of the system as they came to terms with banks' roles in the loss of their homes.
I'll take Sanders' determination to change the entire system over Hillary's promises and the company she keeps.
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WHOLLY BOUGHT & PAID FOR
We do not need to be a research psychologist to tell us what that means; how it predicts behavior.
We do not need to be a research psychologist to tell us what that means; how it predicts behavior.
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Everyone should take note of Bernie Sanders comments on Israel and Hillary Clinton's failure to challenge his position. This clearly puts the the Democrats on a clear anti Israel stance. Bernie clearly stated that the stance of the USA should be changed to a pro Palestinian stance. With the incredible threat of radical Jihadist Islam in the world. And with Hamas in Israel clearly a strong part of that its incredible that a Jewish man running for President with Israel the best ally of the United States to take this absurd and disgusting position. Even if Hillary wins this is where the Democratic party is going!
Bernie did NOT say that the USA should have a "pro Palestinian" stance. He said we should treat the Palestinians fairly as equal partners in negotiations. I'm Jewish and I completely agree with his position.
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Bernie's duping millions of young people and taking their money under the false pretense that he could get anything he proposes actually legislated. He's a lot of rhetoric and ideology- using his candidacy to promote his
socialist agenda. We should be like Denmark?? Does he mean a 65% income tax and 25% sales tax? Has he been able to legislate any of his ideas in 20+ years in the Senate? No! He's not even a Democrat and doesn't care about raising money for other Democratic candidates. He shows no interest in foreign policy, where a President is most influential. I hope New York can put him in his place and I no longer have to see that finger waving around.
socialist agenda. We should be like Denmark?? Does he mean a 65% income tax and 25% sales tax? Has he been able to legislate any of his ideas in 20+ years in the Senate? No! He's not even a Democrat and doesn't care about raising money for other Democratic candidates. He shows no interest in foreign policy, where a President is most influential. I hope New York can put him in his place and I no longer have to see that finger waving around.
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Denmark does not have a 65% income tax. That's their top marginal rate, similar to what we had under JFK. And I don't see a lot of Danes trying to emigrate to the U.S. to escape their universal health care and strong social safety net.
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"Mrs. Clinton has remained a polished and nimble performer throughout the debate season". Yes she has. She can slither and slide through the tiniest crack to avoid answering a direct question; a true politician. This is the reason for her consistently low national poll ratings on integrity. Nothing she promises to the voters can be counted on and if elected it'll be back to "business as usual". That the NYT shows her favorable bias in pieces like this is just one more symptom of how deep the establishment rot has penetrated our institutions.
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I believe Senator Sanders said in last night's debate that in almost every poll he beats Trump in the general election including the latest CNN poll. Your article refers to "some". Was Sanders overstating?
The article also states (rather categorically) that Sanders will need a landslide vi Tory over Senator Clinton in the NY primary. Really?
First, how do you define a landslide victory? Second, what if Sanders were to lose it come very close. Would that not give him enormous continuing momentum and a chance to eventually grab enough super delegates from Clinton to win the nomination?
It just seems that you folks have written Sanders off and set up this next contest in terms that are highly unlikely to occur. And yet, he could still have a better than slim chance of winning?
The article also states (rather categorically) that Sanders will need a landslide vi Tory over Senator Clinton in the NY primary. Really?
First, how do you define a landslide victory? Second, what if Sanders were to lose it come very close. Would that not give him enormous continuing momentum and a chance to eventually grab enough super delegates from Clinton to win the nomination?
It just seems that you folks have written Sanders off and set up this next contest in terms that are highly unlikely to occur. And yet, he could still have a better than slim chance of winning?
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Sanders has overstayed his welcome, at least in my house. Some of my friends text or telephone to insist that I vote for him and contribute money to his campaign; a big intrusion.
They view the Sanders candidacy as tantamount to The Second Coming.
"Praise Sanders, from whom all blessings flow;
Praise him, all creatures here below ...".
Not one respects my right to be left undisturbed by their collective madness or use my money as I see fit. I must do what they tell me to do: support Sanders. They heap scorn and contempt on Clinton with such vitriol it should peel paint.
Sanders attracts fanatics. They fearlessly project their black-&-white views on a shades-of-gray world and brook no contradiction; not so very different from Eric Erickson's rabid RedState legions. I'm tired of it.
They view the Sanders candidacy as tantamount to The Second Coming.
"Praise Sanders, from whom all blessings flow;
Praise him, all creatures here below ...".
Not one respects my right to be left undisturbed by their collective madness or use my money as I see fit. I must do what they tell me to do: support Sanders. They heap scorn and contempt on Clinton with such vitriol it should peel paint.
Sanders attracts fanatics. They fearlessly project their black-&-white views on a shades-of-gray world and brook no contradiction; not so very different from Eric Erickson's rabid RedState legions. I'm tired of it.
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People should be made aware that it was the Clintons who deregulated Wall Street while at the same time taking away Welfare from poor mothers and implementing a crime bill that lead to disproportionate incarceration of African Americans. The financial collapse could be attributed far more to Bill Clinton than any republican. The Republicans never could have passed the Wall Street deregulation that Bill Clinton passed. They grew jobs in a bubble with the inequality of wealth distribution growing throughout his 8 years.
I believe only 1 executive who committed fraudulent activities has been prosecuted and jailed during Obama's presidency. That is criminal! Hillary likes her slogan of "...no executive to big to jail. " but later in the debate spoke of fines for those responsible but not jail time.
I believe only 1 executive who committed fraudulent activities has been prosecuted and jailed during Obama's presidency. That is criminal! Hillary likes her slogan of "...no executive to big to jail. " but later in the debate spoke of fines for those responsible but not jail time.
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The contrast between the substance of the Democratic debate vs the empty vitriol of the Republican debate is staggering! The contrast between Sanders' genuine authentic spontaneous statements vs Clinton's carefully crafted boiler plate was also striking. With Sanders we have the chance to have a real candidate for the Presidency, not a carefully crafted candidate which is what we've mostly had since Reagan was packaged by big money interests.
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If Hillary blatantly lies or goes on the attack against Sanders, she is lauded as being confident or assertive. However, if Sanders criticizes any of her positions, he is derided for "negative campaigning". The trouble is there are many negatives in Hillary's track record and bringing up these facts, however uncomfortable for Hillary and her media minions, seems advisable in a nomination contest. He can not win the presidency by praising his only opponent and ignoring all her political flaws. After all, she is hardly fair or even honest in her attacks on him throughout this campaign (guns, auto-bailout and Obamacare come to mind).
Bernie clearly won this debate though flip-flopping Hillary will unaminously be declared the winner across major media outlets (just as I said would happen anyway in a NYT comment yesterday). Many of her debate answers consisted of name-checking Obama and parroting his positions - except when she was criticized for her Libyan debacle. In that instance, she was happy to throw Obama under the bus even though he acted on her advice (now the biggest regret of his presidency, he says).
Clinton's rudeness and arrogance in talking over time limits and over Sanders was never adequately discouraged by the CNN moderators. But Sanders won the audience and managed to question her "results" which too often come with unintended consequences (Crime Bill, banking, Libya, fracking, etc). That's the trouble with Hillary. She is the Queen of Unintended Consequences.
Bernie clearly won this debate though flip-flopping Hillary will unaminously be declared the winner across major media outlets (just as I said would happen anyway in a NYT comment yesterday). Many of her debate answers consisted of name-checking Obama and parroting his positions - except when she was criticized for her Libyan debacle. In that instance, she was happy to throw Obama under the bus even though he acted on her advice (now the biggest regret of his presidency, he says).
Clinton's rudeness and arrogance in talking over time limits and over Sanders was never adequately discouraged by the CNN moderators. But Sanders won the audience and managed to question her "results" which too often come with unintended consequences (Crime Bill, banking, Libya, fracking, etc). That's the trouble with Hillary. She is the Queen of Unintended Consequences.
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Well said. Thank you.
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Bernie is the Democrat's Trump. Both are unqualified, one note message, ignoring logics and evidents, and will run this country into turmoil. Scary
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This article ignores those most obvious moments in the debate:
1) HRC refusing to release her transcripts of speeches to WS and being booed by the audience. 2) Suddenly claiming to be for $15/hour---so... when did that happen? (A: Last night) 3) Refusing to stand solidly against fracking 4) Misquoting Sanders on gun control 5) Failing to adequately address climate change
Quite frankly, she continually equivocated, changed the subject, name dropped, or wrapped herself in the Obama safety blanket. Where is the substance here? This is the presidency for crying out loud. Kudos to Ms. Bash for pressing the transcripts.
1) HRC refusing to release her transcripts of speeches to WS and being booed by the audience. 2) Suddenly claiming to be for $15/hour---so... when did that happen? (A: Last night) 3) Refusing to stand solidly against fracking 4) Misquoting Sanders on gun control 5) Failing to adequately address climate change
Quite frankly, she continually equivocated, changed the subject, name dropped, or wrapped herself in the Obama safety blanket. Where is the substance here? This is the presidency for crying out loud. Kudos to Ms. Bash for pressing the transcripts.
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Agreed. The article, unsurprisingly, missed these key moments.
And also agreed on the kudos to Dana Bash for pressing her on the transcripts. That was well done, and reminded me of how Judy Woodruff and Gwen Ifill disappointingly gave her an absolute pass on the transcripts at the PBS debate. As Dana Bash noted, many Democratic voters continue the call for the transcripts to be released. This is no small matter.
And also agreed on the kudos to Dana Bash for pressing her on the transcripts. That was well done, and reminded me of how Judy Woodruff and Gwen Ifill disappointingly gave her an absolute pass on the transcripts at the PBS debate. As Dana Bash noted, many Democratic voters continue the call for the transcripts to be released. This is no small matter.
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It's 10:00 AM in NY. Senator Sanders, where are your taxes that you promised the American people this morning?
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Like Plotinus, I never thought I'd see the day a candidate for president was brave enough to raise issues like income inequality, racism, and Israel's history of injustices towards non-Jews. I will vote for Sanders because he doesn't lie like most politicians. Go Bernie!
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I am all for seeing Bernie's tax returns, but I was most disappointed by HRC's invariant evasion of the transcript question. I truly expected her to quote her ardent supporters : "those speeches are quite generic and you won't find anything controversial in them." Even a cliched deflection such as that one would have been a welcome change from her Pre-K line of asking others to show theirs first.
And CNN did do a good job of pursuing the transcript question. I'm sure many of us in the NYT comments section have posed that question only to find ourselves branded as 'Bernie Bros', 'Republicans', 'Misogynists', and simpletons who are so clueless about the benign import of speeches that are priced in six-figures.
And CNN did do a good job of pursuing the transcript question. I'm sure many of us in the NYT comments section have posed that question only to find ourselves branded as 'Bernie Bros', 'Republicans', 'Misogynists', and simpletons who are so clueless about the benign import of speeches that are priced in six-figures.
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Frankly, I don't care what Hillary said in these speeches because she has a sufficient public record to be judged on that basis. And Bernie didn't either last fall, when his advisers first raised the possibility of this line of attack. He said that she has a right to make money as a private citizen.
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Agreed, but the key thing isn't just the outlandish $225,000 for speeches that one listener described as "sounding like she was a Goldman Sachs director, not a presidential candidate"!
No, it's her taking over $11 million dollars in a short 18 month span for corporate speechifying.
And, it's not an issue of her doing a quid pro quo but rather her reflecting a corporate ideology and set of corporate values that she's getting paid for!
No, it's her taking over $11 million dollars in a short 18 month span for corporate speechifying.
And, it's not an issue of her doing a quid pro quo but rather her reflecting a corporate ideology and set of corporate values that she's getting paid for!
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On the transcripts, the people who demand them would not even read them, just the blogosphere analysis putting out the appropriate spin. What a waste of time issue. I am sure we would have seen the tell all bestseller by now by some GS staffer -- what, are they all sworn to secrecy-- if there was anything more than a whole lot of nothing to them.
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What's the matter with Sanders' staff that they can't dig up more specifics about Clinton's political positions being influenced by people donating to her, her PACs, and the Clinton Foundation? There is certainly much evidence out there, even E. Warren when she was a faculty member used to cite specifics against H. Clinton. Sanders has to move away from these sweeping generalities and nail down his arguments with evidence.
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("E. Warren"? The Indian?)
Old Bernie doesn't do specific.
His lazy, clueless staff isn't interested in specifics, either.
Old Bernie doesn't do specific.
His lazy, clueless staff isn't interested in specifics, either.
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Maybe Bernie's just not that good? Or maybe the Republicans haven't put out the specifics so Bernie and his admirers can repeat them, like they do every other Republican attack point against Hillary from the last 25 years.
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I agree. All he had to do was point to the E. Warren bankruptcy example and Hillary's flip flop on that vote. That could have succinctly answered the question.
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No wonder there are Bernie voters who threaten to sit out in November. That's the example he sets. He wouldn't vote for a bill to deregulate swaps and derivatives because it had been weakened. It wouldn't be pure to vote for a compromise. That's his record in the senate. Isn't that the battle cry of extremists? Gotta stay pure, must not more incrementally, must not compromise. We embrace that mantra at our peril. Don't we all sometimes work jobs we don't love to pay bills, or occasionally tolerate features in our spouses that irritate us, or teach our children that even if a situation isn't perfect maybe we can still make it work? Nothing and no one is perfect. Instead of anointing saints and devils, let's support our chosen candidate fervently, knowing that when November comes we will make the best choice we can to move the country forward. With the supreme court, the environment and repairing the ravages of income disparity on the line, hopefully no one will really adopt the "my way or the highway" rule. That doesn't work in the senate or on the playground, it just grinds progress to a halt.
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Look how it looks when the Teapartiers stick to their purity. Unfortunately, Teapartiers never miss a chance to vote.
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If only the republicans of NY State could vote in the primary I think it would be a strong indicator of who would win the general - and I think we all know who that is. Hint: First Passover at the White House.
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Sorry Matthew, but Obama's done a Passover Seder every year he's been in the White House.
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Old Bernie will never preside over a Passover seder at the White House. But President Hillary Clinton surely will continue President Obama's tradition of hosting a seder each Passover.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=seder+at+the+white+house
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=seder+at+the+white+house
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But then Bernie wouldn't win the general. When the Republicans start dredging up Bernie's past, or start making things up about Bernie the way they have been about Clinton, Bernie will truly bern. And the world will be a worse place with Trump or Cruz at the helm of the most powerful military in the world.
Or were you talking about Ivanka Trump having her family's passover celebration at the Whitehouse?
Or were you talking about Ivanka Trump having her family's passover celebration at the Whitehouse?
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Bill has taught Hillary the art of obfuscation! They are both brilliant at using it but each time Hillary does so it wears thinner and thinner. We all remember " What is is ? ".
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I don't know. Bernie puts on a pretty admirable show of obfuscation when he is asked for concrete policy on how he plans on actually carrying out what he claims he will.
They are politicians running for the highest office - do any of you really believe they can do all that they claim they will do? Its not even remotely realistic. Look at Congress. Look at the Supreme Court - possibly the most important outcome hanging in the balance. Its not about Bernie or Hillary.
Please grow up. Keep your eye on the bigger picture. And above all VOTE THE MID-TERMS!
They are politicians running for the highest office - do any of you really believe they can do all that they claim they will do? Its not even remotely realistic. Look at Congress. Look at the Supreme Court - possibly the most important outcome hanging in the balance. Its not about Bernie or Hillary.
Please grow up. Keep your eye on the bigger picture. And above all VOTE THE MID-TERMS!
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“This is a phony attack that is designed to raise questions when there is no evidence or support to undergird the insinuations.”
Classic Clinton. Releasing the evidence in question, i.e. the transcripts of her paid speeches to wall street, would prove the attack is phony beyond any reasonable doubt, if the attack is indeed meritless. Instead, she offers an eloquently constructed rationale for why no response is necessary from a candidate running for the highest office in the country. And she wonders why so many find it difficult to trust what she says.
Classic Clinton. Releasing the evidence in question, i.e. the transcripts of her paid speeches to wall street, would prove the attack is phony beyond any reasonable doubt, if the attack is indeed meritless. Instead, she offers an eloquently constructed rationale for why no response is necessary from a candidate running for the highest office in the country. And she wonders why so many find it difficult to trust what she says.
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Great debate. It fully, unequivocally convinced me that Hillary is the one. Sanders was relentless and obstinate in attacking every possible angle, action, decision or event Hillary has ever been involved in. Poking, pushing, stabbing but never showing how he would have (realistically) done it. In turn, Hillary described her deeds -- motivation, rationale, how things were carried out, and how they turned out. While not perfect, Hillary showed dedication, determination and realism. That's what matters. And that's who I'll vote for.
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Hillary Clinton is clearly the only choice for the democratic nomination. She is the best qualified, most knowledgeable about the issues and last night showed her opponent, Sanders as the not so non establishment, not so"holy of temperament"candidate that he and his surrogate s have perpetuated. He only, by his negative, disingenuous innuendos showed how desperate he really is.
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Bernie Sanders would bring Congress to a complete halt with his take aways. He's like an old uncle who attends the holiday dinner and talks non stop. You love him but are always refreshed to see him leave!
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Hillary "perserve the caste system" Clinton reminded me in her last night performance that she is the Democratic party's Marco Rubio.
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That's what you said the past two elections which were won by both popular and electoral vote!
I didn't watch the debate but I'm wondering if anyone mentioned Obama's recently named biggest regret that they didn't look beyond deposing Khaddafi. Does Clinton bear some or all responsibility for this? Hard to believe it could happen after Iraq!
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I can understand your point about Khaddafi - but remember Locherbie in 1988? And that was just one thing he owned up to. We can't always see everything in advance. Do you think Bernie would have just said "No, I think we should help keep our old pal Khaddfi in place - especially since his people are working so hard to get him gone"
I don't remember anyone speaking out for propping up Khaddfi at the time. But maybe Bernie was right there in support of him and I simply had not heard of him yet.
I don't remember anyone speaking out for propping up Khaddfi at the time. But maybe Bernie was right there in support of him and I simply had not heard of him yet.
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It bothers me that Clinton keeps saying that 90% of Americans have healthcare and that she wants to provide it for the other 10% as well. If we add the word "affordable" to the healthcare that the 90% have, this a situation in desperate need of remedy.
I cannot afford my insurance, though I suppose I am part of the 90% she aims to keep the same b/c she finds my coverage adequate. For this alone, I cannot vote for her.
I cannot afford my insurance, though I suppose I am part of the 90% she aims to keep the same b/c she finds my coverage adequate. For this alone, I cannot vote for her.
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Bernie has begun to reveal an unappealing, angry, vengeful aspect to his personality. He cries about change and a purist view of how politics and government should work. He brought that to the overall campaign conversation and for that, we should be grateful to him. But he has now also brought an angry, finger pointing, black and white perspective (not unlike some of the Republican candidates) that has made the dialogue ugly and much less about unity than it should be. I saw a constant barrage of repeated attacks from Bernie to HRC last night yet he seemed unable to share evidence or hard facts but rather, only shouted big headlines that were effective at swaying people purely on emotion. That is a skill and a talent but it is not going to pan out well in the White House. His fixation on HRC releasing her speeches is exhausting. Big names get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars all the time to talk to or perform to private audiences. I'm sure she was friendly to them- does that make her corrupt? I call that slander. Bernie would benefit by spending more time learning what to say about his healthcare plan or foreign policy: beefing up his own platform vs petulantly and derisively attacking her. Can he actually build his own executable ideas and plans and implement them vs just spouting slogans and attacking others? A campaign ends at one point and then someone has to sit at the desk and actually execute. I am concerned he cannot.
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"His fixation on HRC releasing her speeches is exhausting. Big names get paid hundreds of thousands of dollars all the time to talk to or perform to private audiences. I'm sure she was friendly to them- does that make her corrupt? I call that slander."
Great comment, Bernice.
Great comment, Bernice.
Didn't you read the transcript of Bernie's interview with the Daily News? He expects somebody else to do all those detail things. He's just the ideas guy.
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Please! Someone must have had their cell phone recorder on during the Goldman Sachs speeches.
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Of course they did. And someone MUST realize that no speaker (other than a dimwit like Romney) would say anything compromising in a situation where it was being recorded. All the blather about the "speeches" is just that, empty blather, Old Bernie's specialty.
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And if the speeches containing such damming evidence, those cell phone videos would be all over the place by now. After all, the Republicans have never missed a chance to throw dirt at Hillary, and it is highly likely that there would b more Republican sympathizers in those rooms.
And if you think the Wall streeters are not releasing that information because they want Hillary to win, do you think they would let the Republicans spread all that dirt about her top try to sewer her?
And if you think the Wall streeters are not releasing that information because they want Hillary to win, do you think they would let the Republicans spread all that dirt about her top try to sewer her?
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Wonder if Sen. Sanders realizes that if he forces our NATO allies to pay more that means they might have to make cuts to those healthcare and education systems he so loves to praise?
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Wall Street babe Hilary is a Republican candidate masquerading as a Democrat.Wall Street and the Billionaire class know it and support her with limitless funding and with their propaganda machinery,the Corporatised media , more than they support Trump or Cruz. Hillary is their best bet as they can play with her,have their way with her ; she has taken so much money from them that she has no escape from their vice like clutches now.
And,she will do anything to realize her life-time ambition of becoming the first woman president of uSA.She has no sense of social justice, social responsibility or social sensibility al of which she had never cared for.She is of a kind the Wall Street wolves are made of.The delegates are not foolish to keep their pledges they made even before the people whom they are supposed to represent had cast even a single vote, but such a pre-bought pre-paid pledges have no validity after they see how their people have voted for sanders.They will stand by their people than with prior pledges made invalid by their people .
Make no mistake SANDERS is the next POTUS who can make america great again and a shining beacon of democracy saving it from rampant Corporatocracy that america is now,the scourge of the world it has been made by greedy corporations to big to fail or to jail .
Sanders is the one who can rescue america from the pits its in now. Money cannot buy "we the People". "we the people" will make america great again under Sanders who is one of us.
And,she will do anything to realize her life-time ambition of becoming the first woman president of uSA.She has no sense of social justice, social responsibility or social sensibility al of which she had never cared for.She is of a kind the Wall Street wolves are made of.The delegates are not foolish to keep their pledges they made even before the people whom they are supposed to represent had cast even a single vote, but such a pre-bought pre-paid pledges have no validity after they see how their people have voted for sanders.They will stand by their people than with prior pledges made invalid by their people .
Make no mistake SANDERS is the next POTUS who can make america great again and a shining beacon of democracy saving it from rampant Corporatocracy that america is now,the scourge of the world it has been made by greedy corporations to big to fail or to jail .
Sanders is the one who can rescue america from the pits its in now. Money cannot buy "we the People". "we the people" will make america great again under Sanders who is one of us.
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If you knew who would win you'd be richer than Bill Gates!
I trust Hillary to do right by the Democratic Party. I trust Bernie to do right by America. You know one of the things the founders feared the most? Political parties becoming too powerful and entrenched. It doesn't matter how good you are at working the system, how hard you've worked to maintain the system, if that system is flawed and needs to change.
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Bernie has hi-
jacked the Democrat party to get their voter lists and money. Where has he been the last 30 years? Not working to help the party raise money and elect Democrat candidates throughout the country. Beware of false idols; Bernie is a Democrat in sheep's clothing.
jacked the Democrat party to get their voter lists and money. Where has he been the last 30 years? Not working to help the party raise money and elect Democrat candidates throughout the country. Beware of false idols; Bernie is a Democrat in sheep's clothing.
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If Bernie was a more skilled debater he'd fare better at the polls. His message on campaign finance reform resonates because it screams of corruption and oligarchy. Hillary maintains she is uncorrupted by special interest donations yet isn't challenged on the basic premise of why these people donate to BOTH parties. Large companies pay both sides to influence policy. They are capitalists and expect a return on their investments. Bernie doesn't have to cite an example of Hillary being influenced by money, instead Hillary should be forced to explain what she believes is the motivation behind these donations. Since HRC has been accepting money for years now, they are clearly satisfied with what they are buying
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Hillary spoke as a private citizen just like Sarah Palin gets paid for her speeches. Has any one asked Bernie to speak? Not that he has to be asked to talk...if only he would stop biting his lips!
I can understand Bernie Sanders being the "White Knight" for many of today's youth. George McGovern was that to me during the first presidential cycle in which I was eligible to vote; and we all know that outcome.
Who can argue with free healthcare and college tuition? Anyone who thinks that Bernie Sanders could cut through today's Congressional rancor and bipartisanship to make that happen is extremely naive President "Yes We Can" Obama, even with a Democratic Congress, had to settle for a healthcare bill that was less than ideal.
Hillary Clinton is not without flaws but I believe she can move the country forward. I would rather have her as my President than an idealistic Bernie Sanders who couldn't execute any of his "dreams".
The level of complexity in the world has grown exponentially and we need a President who can be a powerful leader not a powerless "Don Quixote" who has noble dreams and ideas but lacks the ability to make them come true.
Who can argue with free healthcare and college tuition? Anyone who thinks that Bernie Sanders could cut through today's Congressional rancor and bipartisanship to make that happen is extremely naive President "Yes We Can" Obama, even with a Democratic Congress, had to settle for a healthcare bill that was less than ideal.
Hillary Clinton is not without flaws but I believe she can move the country forward. I would rather have her as my President than an idealistic Bernie Sanders who couldn't execute any of his "dreams".
The level of complexity in the world has grown exponentially and we need a President who can be a powerful leader not a powerless "Don Quixote" who has noble dreams and ideas but lacks the ability to make them come true.
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This was the debate that bests showed Hillary Clinton to be the "establishment" candidate who will carry on business as usual. She seems desperate to align herself with President Obama, as in the Affordable Care Act. Actually, that bill was a huge compromise, far from what Obama wanted originally but it was all could get through the Congress at the time. It's a lucrative gift to insurance companies. Yet despite this, Clinton says "build on it." Why? How? Give even more money to insurance companies while so many of the ACA insurance polices are too expensive for many people to use? It is Clinton's clinging to anything Obama did that says Clinton doesn't have her own plans, not really. She just does what she thinks will help her politically. Given the immense transfer of wealth since the Reagan Administration -- debilitating for the middle class -- why would anyone want to "build" on these types of policies? Business as usual? Never before has this country needed a political revolution.
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So, ACA wasn't perfect? It wasn't what Obama originally wanted? Those bad Republicans in Congress prevented Obama from getting what he wanted? All true...
.. So, why didn't Bernie introduce his own single-payer plan and guide it through Congress? There is no reason why he couldn't have done that. It would have been an excellent opportunity to show everyone how he could lead a political revolution and achieve a perfect progressive society.
.. So, why didn't Bernie introduce his own single-payer plan and guide it through Congress? There is no reason why he couldn't have done that. It would have been an excellent opportunity to show everyone how he could lead a political revolution and achieve a perfect progressive society.
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You, like the Tea Party, think compromise is evil. Compromise is the **only** way o accomplish anything in America as it is today. It's preposterous to think that **any** of Sanders' goals can be enacted, in view of how many people just do not agree with them AND their stupendous cost. Sanders' "we need a revolution" is not an answer to "how". He has no answer. It's why he never answers a "how" question. Or an arithmetic question.
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In my opinion the best way to expand on the ACA would be to gradually raise the maximum income level for Medicaid. That is the clearest path to a single-payer system; it has far more potential to get us there than tearing everything up and starting over and Bernie wants to do.
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Another useless debate and we still don't know why Senator Sanders didn't PREVENT the banks from getting SO BIG. Why didn't HE STOP the gutting of anti-trust laws that allowed BIG business to swallow up the competition, strip the assets - including pension plans - destroy perfectly good businesses and get rid of millions of jobs. Why didn't HE PREVENT the catholic church from taking over OUR health care system and trying to impose their archaic beliefs about women's choice on the rest of us and why isn't HE leading the charge to have their tax-free status taken away and tax-back the stolen wealth they have racked up through OUR taxpayer-funded government grants to do their "good work"? Why isn't HE leading the charge to go after BIG pharma and their predatory pricing and price gouging? Why is HE allowing foreign investors to buy up prime real estate across America, evade home taxes and get PERMANENT VISAS through the EB5 developer program as they drive up real estate costs for average Americans and create what will be Chinese-style "ghost cities" in America? What action has HE taken to have Judge Garland confirmed? He is NOT a man of action. The game is rigged and it's worked very well for him for his entire life. He is like Ron and Rand Paul - lots of talk, no real plan, no action and snugly sucking off American taxpayers. My vote goes to Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a WOMAN of Courage and Action.
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You conveniently forget or miss from Seattle that it was Hillary Clinton the senator of NYC in the 8 years prior to the financial meltdown, not Sanders, and the biggest financial disaster in the history of the USA since 1933, happened her watch, not Bernie's.
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The reason Senator Sanders did not keep the banks from getting so big is the same reason Senator McCain has been in office 30 years and not solved the veterans problems.........war hero remember?
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@njglea: I couldn't agree more. Sanders has been in Congress for more than 20 years, yet it's as if all these terrible things he descries are due to the inaction of other congresspeople and somehow he's not responsible, too. But hasn't he been entrusted with one of the most powerful positions in the federal government?
Unfortunately, there's no indication in his record that he could effect any more change as a president than in his first 20 years in Washington. He has an extremely limited legislative record. His record of cooperating with either party is minimal. And when you peel back the cover on the frequently touted "Amendment King" moniker, you find that the vast majority of his amendments have never even been proposed; they've been "submitted" only, congressional shorthand for getting the text of the amendment into the congressional record without any vote by the membership.
This is a fraud.
Unfortunately, there's no indication in his record that he could effect any more change as a president than in his first 20 years in Washington. He has an extremely limited legislative record. His record of cooperating with either party is minimal. And when you peel back the cover on the frequently touted "Amendment King" moniker, you find that the vast majority of his amendments have never even been proposed; they've been "submitted" only, congressional shorthand for getting the text of the amendment into the congressional record without any vote by the membership.
This is a fraud.
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Hillary has run her campaign on crushing the hope and aspirations of people. She says ideas are "pie in the sky" or will "never happen". She has to denigrate the identity of the people of color that vote for Bernie to advance the narrative of his "white men only" support (clearly not true). What happened to Yes We Can? It has not been forgotten by millions of Americans. I for one can't support someone who has strayed so far from the principals I have been voting for as a Democratic voter for over 23 years.
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I long felt that Bernie's courageous candor was a breath of fresh air in American politics. He spoke truths about our political and economic system that others lacked the guts or integrity to address. For that reason, I was on his email list and donated to his senate campaign. But, as his presidential campaign has developed, I've been forced to recognize his shortcomings.
In the role of speaking truth to power, he has few peers on Capitol Hill (and arguably none). America needs its angry prophets who rail against the deceit and corruption in Washington, and he's filled that role admirably. But now he wants to hold power on the highest level, and that's a different proposition. To wax poetic about it, the roles of Senate gadfly and President are as different as the roles of prophet and king.
What I've realized is that Bernie is probably so attractive to the youngest voters because he's so like them. College students are, for the most part, sophomores, in the literal sense of the word. They have a great capacity for identifying things that need correction but a conspicuously lesser ability to identify practical solutions. Of course, Bernie has immeasurably more experience and sophistication than a college student. But he does seem to exhibit a similar disparity between his ability to target problems and his ability to offer workable solutions.
In the role of speaking truth to power, he has few peers on Capitol Hill (and arguably none). America needs its angry prophets who rail against the deceit and corruption in Washington, and he's filled that role admirably. But now he wants to hold power on the highest level, and that's a different proposition. To wax poetic about it, the roles of Senate gadfly and President are as different as the roles of prophet and king.
What I've realized is that Bernie is probably so attractive to the youngest voters because he's so like them. College students are, for the most part, sophomores, in the literal sense of the word. They have a great capacity for identifying things that need correction but a conspicuously lesser ability to identify practical solutions. Of course, Bernie has immeasurably more experience and sophistication than a college student. But he does seem to exhibit a similar disparity between his ability to target problems and his ability to offer workable solutions.
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It's surprising to me to read some of the comments here and to find that there are actually some people who think Sanders did OK in the debate last night. How could anyone watch Sanders on stage and think he looked like anything but a severely befuddled, red-faced, aged man who could do nothing but parrot his grossly cliched stump speech while making odd, contorted facial expressions and bizarrely waving his arms and fingers in the most rude way?
How is that even remotely Presidential behavior? I'd die of embarrassment if this man gave a speech to even my local book club never mind the floor of the Senate or on the world stage. Sanders raises his hands over and over to speak while non-stop wagging his bent, arthritic fingers every which way, all the while being astonishingly rude to Hillary.
I'm not going to bother discussing Sanders egregious lack of political skill on the political stage--clearly Hillary was the only adult on stage tonight--since all Sanders did was keep reverting back to his droning, sophomoric bromides about "big banks" yada, yada, yada, and he simply ended up looking, sadly, like an old, lost fool.
Hillary, of course, was masterful and everything Bernie wasn't.
How is that even remotely Presidential behavior? I'd die of embarrassment if this man gave a speech to even my local book club never mind the floor of the Senate or on the world stage. Sanders raises his hands over and over to speak while non-stop wagging his bent, arthritic fingers every which way, all the while being astonishingly rude to Hillary.
I'm not going to bother discussing Sanders egregious lack of political skill on the political stage--clearly Hillary was the only adult on stage tonight--since all Sanders did was keep reverting back to his droning, sophomoric bromides about "big banks" yada, yada, yada, and he simply ended up looking, sadly, like an old, lost fool.
Hillary, of course, was masterful and everything Bernie wasn't.
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Thank you for that monumentally superficial display of gender bias and ageism.
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OK folks. tune in. Here is a fine example of Hillary's shall we say "quality of judgement". She goes after Bernie tooth and nail and assures everyone that she will be able to "unite" the party afterwards. With the rancor that exist now, in no small way aided by a complicit media, it would seem highly unlikely. That, in and of itself, is highly speculative and basically wishful thinking. Common sense would indicate that you cannot poke someone in the eye and punch them in the stomach and expect them to be at your beck and call later. That is presumptuous and selling that bromide is nuts.
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What is disturbing about both candidates is their unwillingness to produce their tax returns as far back as requested. What do they have to hide? Do they have off shore accounts paying little or no taxes? Why doesn't Hillary want the public to see transcripts of her speeches before powerful interest groups that paid her hundreds of thousands of dollars. Who are the super packs that are contributing to put her in office? What will they want in return for contributing large sums of their money? As for all the things they both wish to accomplish, how are they going to get Congress and the Senate to go along with their plans when they haven't in the last 8 years under President Obama? Empty campaign speeches, like taxing the rich, remove the cap on social security, increase the minimum wage to $15, Bring jobs back to America, close tax loopholes for corporations and the very rich, etc. etc. Oh, and get Israel to recognize the Palestinians and agree to the two state Peace Plan.
You seem to be misinformed. Clinton has released several years' worth of tax returns and published them on her web site. As of last night, Bernie had released none and gave the seemingly specious excuse that the simple process of making copies of the documents and submitting them was too difficult to accomplish while he and his wife were campaigning. I think it's probably reasonable to surmise that he hasn't released them because, while he is among the "poorer" senators, Roll Call puts his minimum net worth at $160,000 based on Senate disclosure forms, which doesn't include the value of a primary residence, the value of personal possessions that aren’t held for investment purposes, and the value of retirement accounts. Open Secrets gives a net worth estimate for Bernie ranging from a low of $123,027 to a high of $748,999. None of these figures, though, are precise measures of his actual wealth. Suffice it to say, he's among the poorest in a group where the top 25 are estimated to be worth a maximum of over $10M and the top two are said to be worth over $100M.
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PLEASE NEW YORK unite around Bernie. the difference between these two politicians is startling and as someone from the younger generation trying to envision a future livable for my own children some day, this future depends on leadership that takes a swift turn from from how things have been done. Please vote with your hearts and believe in the vision of Bernie.
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Bernie had several significant moments on key issues. Hillary came through as unpresidential as she continued to irritatingly hog the time without giving any significant answers.
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Unpresidential ? Only if you find the very idea of a female president offensive.
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Sorry, but after watching the debate I perplexed that any principled person can vote for HRC in the remaining Democratic primaries. Arguably. that was a defensible choice at one point but no longer.
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Female Nixon.
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As an expatriate American, I support Senator Sanders. My support is for both his character and his policy positions.
Sander's campaign has called attention to Americans that it is time for the United States to take the next step for dissolving the out of proportion wealth of America's oligarchs. Every segment of society is under the control of this small group of wealthy individuals, including the three branches of government, the educational system and the privatized prison system
Now is the time for America to vote in revolutionary changes to government, bring back power to the citizens, and finally reduce the undeserving power the well off have obtained.
Electing Bernie Sanders will begin the process of moving America forward!
Sander's campaign has called attention to Americans that it is time for the United States to take the next step for dissolving the out of proportion wealth of America's oligarchs. Every segment of society is under the control of this small group of wealthy individuals, including the three branches of government, the educational system and the privatized prison system
Now is the time for America to vote in revolutionary changes to government, bring back power to the citizens, and finally reduce the undeserving power the well off have obtained.
Electing Bernie Sanders will begin the process of moving America forward!
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If we're more like France will you come back? On second thought......
Steve.......it's impossible for America to ever improve enough to draw this expatriate away from an idyllic life style in Provence.
Long live the revolutions, both American and French!
Long live the revolutions, both American and French!
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Senator Bernie Sanders clearly won this debate! Secratary Clinton hid behind President Obama's coat tails.
Mrs. Clinton's defense of Bill Clinton's racist crime bill was pathetic and will not play well in NYC or nationally. Make no mistake about it nobody but the private prison oligarchs and those managing police budgets liked the results of racist and in many ways fascist crime bill. In fact president Obama ordered the return of military equipment the Clinton's issued to police departments and the federal justice Department is busy around the nation investigating the murders of young black men and women shot down or bludgeoned to death by Mrs. Clinton militarized police.
Black lives matter and while Hilary Clinton preaches against the Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment in particular and demonizied young black men as "Super Predators" she was busy supporting the handing out of not semi-automatic AR-15s but fully automatic M-16s and armored personnel carriers to undtrained often racist, police departments like one in Ferguson, MO.
As Secretary of State Hilary Clinton presided over the fiasco in Libya and hid her US State Department emails in a private computer server so she could control and edit the narrative of her record as Secretary of State. The one thing the Clinton's are masterfull at is editing their history and changing its narrative.
Senator Sanders has during all this time been working in the House and the Senate as the "Amendment King" for the people
Mrs. Clinton's defense of Bill Clinton's racist crime bill was pathetic and will not play well in NYC or nationally. Make no mistake about it nobody but the private prison oligarchs and those managing police budgets liked the results of racist and in many ways fascist crime bill. In fact president Obama ordered the return of military equipment the Clinton's issued to police departments and the federal justice Department is busy around the nation investigating the murders of young black men and women shot down or bludgeoned to death by Mrs. Clinton militarized police.
Black lives matter and while Hilary Clinton preaches against the Bill of Rights and the Second Amendment in particular and demonizied young black men as "Super Predators" she was busy supporting the handing out of not semi-automatic AR-15s but fully automatic M-16s and armored personnel carriers to undtrained often racist, police departments like one in Ferguson, MO.
As Secretary of State Hilary Clinton presided over the fiasco in Libya and hid her US State Department emails in a private computer server so she could control and edit the narrative of her record as Secretary of State. The one thing the Clinton's are masterfull at is editing their history and changing its narrative.
Senator Sanders has during all this time been working in the House and the Senate as the "Amendment King" for the people
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Here's what Mrs. Clinton said:
"So I think you've got to go at this with a sense of how to accomplish the goal we are setting -- more good jobs with rising incomes for people everywhere from inner cities to rural areas to every distressed community in America. And that's exactly what my plan would bring about."
Where exactly are the specifics that she and her supporters like the NYT and MSM keep accusing Sanders for not having? When is Hillary going to be challenged to back up her claims that she's going to improve the lot of the working and middle class? And when is she going to be challenged for claiming that she's going to "get things done" when the truth is, if elected, she'll be facing a Republican-controlled Congress that has even more animosity towards her than they have for President Obama? The NYT and MSM accepts these claims and statements from Hillary as foregone conclusions, yet wastes no time in dismissing Sanders' as "unspecified", "unrealistic", "not rooted in reality".
It's fine and proper to ask pointed questions of Bernie, but let's do the same for Hillary instead of just accepting what she says as gospel, because based on her track record, her truthfulness leaves much to be desired.
"So I think you've got to go at this with a sense of how to accomplish the goal we are setting -- more good jobs with rising incomes for people everywhere from inner cities to rural areas to every distressed community in America. And that's exactly what my plan would bring about."
Where exactly are the specifics that she and her supporters like the NYT and MSM keep accusing Sanders for not having? When is Hillary going to be challenged to back up her claims that she's going to improve the lot of the working and middle class? And when is she going to be challenged for claiming that she's going to "get things done" when the truth is, if elected, she'll be facing a Republican-controlled Congress that has even more animosity towards her than they have for President Obama? The NYT and MSM accepts these claims and statements from Hillary as foregone conclusions, yet wastes no time in dismissing Sanders' as "unspecified", "unrealistic", "not rooted in reality".
It's fine and proper to ask pointed questions of Bernie, but let's do the same for Hillary instead of just accepting what she says as gospel, because based on her track record, her truthfulness leaves much to be desired.
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My. Healy and Ms. Chozick don't even mention the other memorable exchange - Mr. Sander's seeming inability to deal with the gun issue.
This is a major oversight as this was one of the most significant moments in Ms. Clinton's favor. I don't understand how this is not mentioned in the article.
This is a major oversight as this was one of the most significant moments in Ms. Clinton's favor. I don't understand how this is not mentioned in the article.
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Not a mention on the exchange over the gun issue? Bit of an oversight by the reporters.
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Billary (the two are but one candidate) is nothing but an opportunistic carpetbagger. Born in that bastion of privilege, Park Ridge, Illinois, and then adopting a cornpone Arkansas accent to stand by her governor of that state, she morphed into a brassy New Yorker in order to achieve a senate seat. Does Billary care about anything past its nose? I think not. Like our current novelty act known as Barack Obama, she will exploit her demographic "difference", in this case her gender, to ascend to the throne. Once there, we would see that she is very much the creature of Goldman Sachs, her Panama Paper-listed contributors of whom there are several, and quite beholden to whatever secret deals she had made with them in exchange for their support. I know I'm not the only Democrat who thinks a Billary presidency would be a bad deal.
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At several points Hillary seemed to be campaigning on Bill's accomplishments and hinting that in electing her they would be getting Bill also. She must feel that she is not qualified on her own merit.
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We, Americans all, will be voting for the Presidential candidate who best exemplifies our interests, Democratic or Republican. We are looking at either Mrs. Clinton or Senator Sanders on the Dem Lib side, and a troika of mismatched horses, Trump, Cruz and Kasich, on the Tea Party Conservative GOP side. And the devil will take the hind-most.
Was I the only one that thought his answers lacked details. For example the question on energy transition? He tried to answer became unclear then basically went to a revolution stance to get around an actual plan. The thing Bernie doesn't understand is that a lot of innovation are funded through VC and wall st. The very group he's constantly nagging. Yes a handful of people (starting with insurance companies) rigged the system. We get it, but painting every employee with a huge evil brush is childish. Small businesses rely on banks, innovation relies on banks. Can we please move past the boring Goldman speeches and actually spin a positive campaign with precision, details etc? It's a broken boring record.
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Sanders could bury her.
If he just repeated six or seven times "She's not giving an answer", "She's not giving an answer", "She's not giving an answer" after each Hillary's clumsy escape attempt - that label would never leave her.
If he just repeated six or seven times "She's not giving an answer", "She's not giving an answer", "She's not giving an answer" after each Hillary's clumsy escape attempt - that label would never leave her.
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@areader—Clinton answers the questions in a more nuanced and critical thinking kind of way. Sanders is a very black and white thinker and so are his answers. With Clinton there are lots of shades of gray. With Sanders there is only one way or the highway.
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What an Orwellian account. I saw a debate where Sanders laid out a clear vision for a progressive future, and Clinton was hard pressed to defend a record of hawkish misjudgements that have perpetuated the Middle East morass, as well as promotion of fracking and the TPP that sure look like they're in line with her bug corporate donations. Pressed for answers, she tried repeatedly to pivot to topics not under discussion like abortion rights or whether Sanders is a Democrat. In her summation, she actually invoked 9/11, the sort of appeal to reflexive patriotism we expect of Republicans -- esp. since Clinton was no shining light for NYers at that time, sending workers back into a highly contaminated atmosphere. I thought she stood revealed as the candidate who is not equipped to grapple with the urgent crisis Sanders recognizes: climate change. His carbon tax bill is a much better proposal, more flexible and far-reaching, than Clinton's solar panels.
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Hillary Clinton has been a major player on the national and world scene since 1992. She has a track record to be compared against. Bernie Sanders has been in Congress as a back bencher for 25 yards with little to show. It's galling that this guy criticizes Mrs Clinton who took many slings and arrows for trying to bring universal health care during Bill Clinton's first term. (Kids, that started in 1993.)
It's shocking to me that Sanders has NEVER spoken to or apparently met with Wall Street executives since he professes so much expertise about them. As senators from different states, they represent state interests. Let's see, what industry employs many people at high wages and contributes much taxes to New York? Could it be financial services? How about Vermont? Oh, GE? Sanders has never been to GE's plant there yet keeps calling them out as bad guys. But he does defend the gun makers from liability after all, even Saint Bernie has to win elections too.
Sanders is frankly a coward for not truly telling us what he probably thinks, that big corporations should be nationalized and run to his high standards.
The college kids love him since he keeps to his talking points like Trump and think he is the first person to discover his talking point issues. As Jeffrey Immelt of GE responded, GE creates jobs rather than calling for them.
It's shocking to me that Sanders has NEVER spoken to or apparently met with Wall Street executives since he professes so much expertise about them. As senators from different states, they represent state interests. Let's see, what industry employs many people at high wages and contributes much taxes to New York? Could it be financial services? How about Vermont? Oh, GE? Sanders has never been to GE's plant there yet keeps calling them out as bad guys. But he does defend the gun makers from liability after all, even Saint Bernie has to win elections too.
Sanders is frankly a coward for not truly telling us what he probably thinks, that big corporations should be nationalized and run to his high standards.
The college kids love him since he keeps to his talking points like Trump and think he is the first person to discover his talking point issues. As Jeffrey Immelt of GE responded, GE creates jobs rather than calling for them.
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Living in Brooklyn is not a requirement to being president of the USA.
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The billionaires will win this November...again. Nothing will change for the Middle Class except more frustration and pain. Russia, China and the good old USA are firmly in the hands of billionaires. In the USA, however, we don't murder journalists yet, mainly because they are on Wall Street's payroll, i.e. Rupert Murdoch's, Sulzberger's et al . The idea of a "free press", like "free trade", is a total sham bought hook, line and sinker by the 99%. They are not just words, they are deliberate lies!
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I don't understand why so many voters are so naive as to think that Hillary Clinton's experience is anything except a red flag warning us that almost everything she has done is a disaster. She keeps apologizing for all these mistakes, yet then turns around and brags about this great experience. I
say it is experience in failure, a resume of poor judgement and inept handling
of important decisions. She seems to think that if she bellows loudly about getting things done that we will consider that substance on the policies.
Saying you will do something doesn't qualify as substance. Clinton would be a terrible President mainly because everyone in Congress hates her and the gridlock and obstructionism would only get worse. Bernie Sanders is offering
real change and improvements. When he pointed out in the debate that the U.S. Is paying for nations in NATO like France and England who already have universal healthcare for all, it was eye opening to realize that our country has continued to do the heavy lifting for nations who take better care of their citizens than the USA does. Obamacare is health insurance in name only.
No normal citizens can afford the huge deductibles that must be paid out of pocket first before a single penny is paid out from the insurance companies.
Obamacare helps only the insurance companies who have devised plans that
leave citizens uncovered and unprotected. It's a joke and Hillary Clinton embraces Obamacare like the clueless millionaire she is.
say it is experience in failure, a resume of poor judgement and inept handling
of important decisions. She seems to think that if she bellows loudly about getting things done that we will consider that substance on the policies.
Saying you will do something doesn't qualify as substance. Clinton would be a terrible President mainly because everyone in Congress hates her and the gridlock and obstructionism would only get worse. Bernie Sanders is offering
real change and improvements. When he pointed out in the debate that the U.S. Is paying for nations in NATO like France and England who already have universal healthcare for all, it was eye opening to realize that our country has continued to do the heavy lifting for nations who take better care of their citizens than the USA does. Obamacare is health insurance in name only.
No normal citizens can afford the huge deductibles that must be paid out of pocket first before a single penny is paid out from the insurance companies.
Obamacare helps only the insurance companies who have devised plans that
leave citizens uncovered and unprotected. It's a joke and Hillary Clinton embraces Obamacare like the clueless millionaire she is.
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If only we could push a button to solve our difficult problems as so many politicians would have us believe. Right, Left or the middle, pragmatic leaders will always get my vote because practical people are believable.
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Even when they have committed horrifying mistakes?
Clinton and Sanders promise they'll make it all better for the low information, not very well-informed crowd. What the sheep who dine at the trough of entitlement don't understand is that socialism doesn't work (Sanders), and Clinton will say anything to get elected. Neither one knows how to create a job, other than for themselves.
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According to that wild-eyed, raging leftist publication owned by radical-liberal Rupert Murdoch -- i.e., The Wall Street Journal -- George W. Bush and his father were the two worst presidents in terms of job creation since the Labor Dept. started keeping payroll records in 1939.
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And yes, even Obama can be thrown under the bus:
BLITZER: —
"Secretary Clinton, President Obama says the worst mistake in office that he made over these past seven and a half years was not preparing for Libya after Moammar Qadafi was removed. You were his secretary of State.
Aren’t you also responsible for that?"
CLINTON: ---
"The decision was the president’s. Did I do the due diligence? Did I talk to everybody I could talk to? Did I visit every capital and then report back to the president? Yes, I did. That’s what a secretary of state does.
But at the end of the day, those are the decisions that are made by the president to in any way use American military power. And the president made that decision. "
BLITZER: —
"Secretary Clinton, President Obama says the worst mistake in office that he made over these past seven and a half years was not preparing for Libya after Moammar Qadafi was removed. You were his secretary of State.
Aren’t you also responsible for that?"
CLINTON: ---
"The decision was the president’s. Did I do the due diligence? Did I talk to everybody I could talk to? Did I visit every capital and then report back to the president? Yes, I did. That’s what a secretary of state does.
But at the end of the day, those are the decisions that are made by the president to in any way use American military power. And the president made that decision. "
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Yet she takes credit for being with him on this accomplishments. I don't think it can work both ways.
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The final decision is always the president's. You misunderstand what "throwing under the bus" means.
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In a possible act of insanity, I watched the debate twice, once alone and second with my wife when she got home. In the closing arguments, Sanders spoke of our future as a country and people; Clinton spoke of her past. With Sanders it is about us; with Clinton it is about HER. Sanders is mostly direct; Clinton is slippery, what at the US Air Force Academy was called quibbling. Clinton speaks of "I" and when avoiding answering questions, talks on peripheral issues. Sanders has improved on international issues; Clinton may have more hours on airplanes (experience) but thinks about international issues in highly neoconservative and ideological terms. For example, Sanders spoke plainly about the need to address the plight of Palestinians while Clinton spoke about the constant terrorist attacks on Israel and Iran's involvement. Sanders would address specific facets of the conflict; Clinton could easily convince herself that Israel and/or the U.S. should attack Iran for Israeli security. Clinton will give us more regime change and maybe another Cold War with Russia; Sanders would be much more cautious militarily but more activist and constructive on climate change. Sanders gives us a chance to become a great country again; Clinton will keep us on the downward spiral towards a warfare state and an economic elitist state. Clinton is smug and arrogant, not quite Trump-like but with some disturbing similarities.
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Hillary praised Obama when it came to the Affordable Health Care Act, and positioned herself as his successor. Only until that didn't work for her anymore. When it came to being asked about invading Libya and regime change, a policy that Obama stated was a 51-49 decision pushed to the "yes" column by Hillary, who masterminded that whole affair as Secretary of State and then dropped it like a hot potato when democracy didn't miraculously erupt in Libya, she said "Obama was president--he made the decision."
She shows herself here to be opportunistic, disloyal, and refusing to take responsibility for her own history.
I admire Bernie's speech on Israel and Palestine. It shows how skewed the whole situation is in the US when it becomes controversial to say that we must respect the Palestinians. That's controversial??? That's messed up. Hillary's speech on Israel sounded nuts and made no sense. I think it was incoherent because she refuses to say "Palestinian" so she can't form a coherent sentence. She actually scared me at that point. She was vitriolic and incoherent. It shocks me that after all her experience on foreign policy, this area is actually a weakness for her. Bernie's life could be easier if he pandered to AIPAC, but he refuses to do it. That shows his character.
She shows herself here to be opportunistic, disloyal, and refusing to take responsibility for her own history.
I admire Bernie's speech on Israel and Palestine. It shows how skewed the whole situation is in the US when it becomes controversial to say that we must respect the Palestinians. That's controversial??? That's messed up. Hillary's speech on Israel sounded nuts and made no sense. I think it was incoherent because she refuses to say "Palestinian" so she can't form a coherent sentence. She actually scared me at that point. She was vitriolic and incoherent. It shocks me that after all her experience on foreign policy, this area is actually a weakness for her. Bernie's life could be easier if he pandered to AIPAC, but he refuses to do it. That shows his character.
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Reading these comments is, to me, far more depressing than the choices we get as voters.
Many—most, perhaps—supporters of both candidates sound more like GOP-style conservatives every day.
Sad.
Many—most, perhaps—supporters of both candidates sound more like GOP-style conservatives every day.
Sad.
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Taking money from special interests, regardless of the spin offered by ANY politician, is inappropriate. On SOME level it obligates the recipient. HRC flatly states there are no decisions where taking money has influenced her decisions. Sanders rightly answers "you don't go after them if you've taken money from them."
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At last, a candidate for President who dares to speak for justice when addressing the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The unqualified support that the United States has given to Israel - despite Israel's five decades of occupation of the West Bank and the atrocities it inflicts daily upon the Palestinian people - is shameful. It is also costly to the American tax payers who have sent billions to Israel during this period in exchange for . . . nothing but headaches. How refreshing to listen to the sanity of Bernie Sanders rather than the likes of Hillary Clinton who, when once asked whether the Palestinians deserve any sympathy from the United States, responded "The United States' role is to support Israel's decisions" (Chicago Tribune, February 25, 2002, page 3). No one who says this is fit to lead our country.
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I saw a debate where Sanders laid out a clear vision for a progressive future, and Clinton was hard pressed to defend a record of hawkish misjudgements that have perpetuated the Middle East morass, as well as promotion of fracking and the TPP that sure look like they're in line with her bug corporate donations. Pressed for answers, she tried repeatedly to pivot to things like abortion rights and, for God's sake, 9/11, which made her sound weak and defensive.
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By refusing to provide the full texts of her Wall Street speeches, Mrs. Clinton continues to lie about her promises to the big banks. The only logical conclusion for a voter to make is that she supports the "one percent" over the common citizen. In today's urgency, this factor makes Hilary Clinton unqualified to take office.
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Well put. She is a flunkey for the "hunkeys" with hunks of cash. Her claim to fame--she's a true Democrat. What does that mean? That she's a party hack? But she'll work for us tirelessly. Wow! The spin yarn gets longer and the embroidery gets festooned with prevarication.
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Who wins or loses doesn't matter when the vote comes in then we will know.
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People seem to forget the other branches of primarily (Republican) government. The reason Obama wasn't able to get as much done as many would have liked is that he's not a king; he had to work with Congress and a Scalia-weighted Supreme Court. In fact, the Republicans won't even hold a vote on his successor.The next president has to work with the unable-to-compromisers. Do you really want another four-eight years of Republican naysayers getting nothing done with lots of public flogging of social issues while the infrastructure crumbles around us? Do you really want to have no public health insurance option until we can have single-payer? Because you'll likely get nothing instead. Free college instead of queenly ransom's tuition? All or nothing from the wealthy usually means nothing, and strikes and revolution get old fast when there are no jobs. And should there be some terrorist attack to reshuffle attention . . . back to war you go. And frankly, either candidate has a high hill to climb in our polarized society and government.
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So now the third branch of government -- the judiciary -- is Republican? Does that mean that we have the Republican Judiciary branch to thank for confirming the constitutionality of Obamacare (twice), and gay marriage?
You're welcome!
You're welcome!
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CLINTON: "I'm the only one on this stage who did not vote to deregulate swaps and derivatives, as Sen. Sanders did ... and that contributed to the collapse of Lehman Brothers and started the cascade."
THE FACTS: The legislation in question was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
Sanders voted for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which deregulated many financial instruments that were later blamed for intensifying the 2008 financial crisis.
THE FACTS: The legislation in question was signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
Sanders voted for the Commodity Futures Modernization Act of 2000, which deregulated many financial instruments that were later blamed for intensifying the 2008 financial crisis.
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So sad to see Sanders supporters (particularly on this site) think that somehow he is the messiah who will lead them to a promised land of....of what?
Sanders can promise the sky -- because he won't be elected. He's a clear reflection of how the NDP works here in Canada. They so rarely win government, particularly at the federal level (which they never have) and so they promise the world, knowing that their policies will never be tested.
So you hear "oh what a remarkable man." No, he is not. I've seen this kind of thing for years (and I'm very much on the left). When your plans aren't going to be tested, you're merely a rhetorical bag of wind.
Again, so sad to you're all so duped by false prophets. Clinton is an outstanding candidate but y'all want your shiny new toy, reflecting how Sanderites are more driven by a consumer model of the new-best-thing, shuffling aside those, like Clinton, who have a proven record that she can get the job done.
If the Dems fall apart, look no further than those of you willing to sacrifice concrete, realistic leadership (not to mention future Federal Court picks) for a man who was never a Democrat until he arrived with his carpetbag and sold you all down the river. Just unrelentingly sad.
Sanders can promise the sky -- because he won't be elected. He's a clear reflection of how the NDP works here in Canada. They so rarely win government, particularly at the federal level (which they never have) and so they promise the world, knowing that their policies will never be tested.
So you hear "oh what a remarkable man." No, he is not. I've seen this kind of thing for years (and I'm very much on the left). When your plans aren't going to be tested, you're merely a rhetorical bag of wind.
Again, so sad to you're all so duped by false prophets. Clinton is an outstanding candidate but y'all want your shiny new toy, reflecting how Sanderites are more driven by a consumer model of the new-best-thing, shuffling aside those, like Clinton, who have a proven record that she can get the job done.
If the Dems fall apart, look no further than those of you willing to sacrifice concrete, realistic leadership (not to mention future Federal Court picks) for a man who was never a Democrat until he arrived with his carpetbag and sold you all down the river. Just unrelentingly sad.
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If you don't think we have an oligarchy, if you don't think big money has corrupted politics, if income inequality isn't such a big deal to you--then Mrs Clinton is just right for you.
She's said she won't rock the boat, things will move ahead slowly in an orderly fashion, built on where we are today. Again, if you like that, she's the candidate for you.
Some of us don't agree with that. And we have a candidate, Bernie Sanders, who represents us.
We don't think he's the messiah. But he represents hope against a vast landscape of despair.
She's said she won't rock the boat, things will move ahead slowly in an orderly fashion, built on where we are today. Again, if you like that, she's the candidate for you.
Some of us don't agree with that. And we have a candidate, Bernie Sanders, who represents us.
We don't think he's the messiah. But he represents hope against a vast landscape of despair.
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I recall in 2008 when The Dem party and many Indeoendents hailed Obama as the messiah, and he had far less governing and life experience than Sanders. If we could give Obama a try, and a premature Nobel Peace Prize, then there is no harm in trying Sanders.
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Thank you for your opinion Andrew. From Canada.
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I bristle every time Mr Sanders touts his huge support among young voters - as of they are somehow more valuable voters than those over 35. His continual insinuations that young people are more concerned about the future of this country than older people is insulting. By sanders supporters standards - I am old - old enough to have three young children whom I love dearly, like all parents. I am deeply concerned about their future and vote accordingly. I also remember to show up at midterm elections - always. I highly doubt most of these young Bernie or busters will do the same since they say they won't show up to vote the democratic ticket in November.
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As much as I love Bernie Sanders spirit, Hillary is more articulate and a better debater. She effectively dodges attacks, sometimes turning them in her favor, finds shelters, and speaks with an air of authority when on the attack. However, sometimes her cleverness catches up with her through the course of these debates and this time it was her useage of Obama.
She began by crediting herself via close association to him and his accomplishments, as she's done many times before. Later, she put Obama in between herself and Sanders by saying if Sanders is to criticize her fund raising, he is attacking Obama who did the same- effective, but starting to reach. By that point (I think her 3rd reference) it began to feel a bit like she was hiding behind Obama, but it still seemed like an effective tactic. Then, when being challenged on her roll as Secretary of State in recommending the regime change in Libya, which has resulted in a brutal civil war, she completely through Obama under the bus and took no responsibility. Basically, "that was his call as president". This not only weakened her claims to strength by association, but unveiled her constant usage of Obama as just that: she's been using Obama.
She began by crediting herself via close association to him and his accomplishments, as she's done many times before. Later, she put Obama in between herself and Sanders by saying if Sanders is to criticize her fund raising, he is attacking Obama who did the same- effective, but starting to reach. By that point (I think her 3rd reference) it began to feel a bit like she was hiding behind Obama, but it still seemed like an effective tactic. Then, when being challenged on her roll as Secretary of State in recommending the regime change in Libya, which has resulted in a brutal civil war, she completely through Obama under the bus and took no responsibility. Basically, "that was his call as president". This not only weakened her claims to strength by association, but unveiled her constant usage of Obama as just that: she's been using Obama.
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Bernie Sanders is the only candidate capable of pulling this country back from the edge of the abyss that corporate greed has brought us to. If you care about the well being of others, the planet, yourself, or anything really: Vote Bernie!
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It's about time Hillary confronted Sanders on his "Wall Street and rigged economy" rant. He's got little else to offer. Anyone who makes good financially is someone to distrust in his eyes. Why does Hillary's making big fees for speaking to corporations in the financial industry constitute fault? Bernie's anger may be because he missed that boat and no one will pay him to speak.
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And there it is. To support Clinton people now defend the practice of politicians cashing in on their public service while they are temporarily out of politics.
As Glenn Greenwald said, so much for alleged Democratic concern over money in politics.
As Glenn Greenwald said, so much for alleged Democratic concern over money in politics.
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We are at a point Hillary and Bernie need to coexist to save the democratic ticket.
Wish Bernie is younger, Hillary is genuine; but this what democrats are Abe to offer. It reminds me a version of Kennedy Johnson ticket or Reagan Bush ticket.
It's the only way to beat republicans.
Go for it. Both together on the ticket. Order does not matter. Bernie was more elequent last night. Hillary looks steely like old Indira Gandhi.
Wish Bernie is younger, Hillary is genuine; but this what democrats are Abe to offer. It reminds me a version of Kennedy Johnson ticket or Reagan Bush ticket.
It's the only way to beat republicans.
Go for it. Both together on the ticket. Order does not matter. Bernie was more elequent last night. Hillary looks steely like old Indira Gandhi.
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The only thing Sanders brings to the table is his holier-than-thou attitude.
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for Sanders to enter the convention with enough delegates to win the nomination.
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for Sanders to enter the convention with enough delegates to win the nomination.
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Bernie won on substance. Media pundits judge the debates on presentation. Clearly Hillary has skill in front of the camera; in that, she reminds me of Trump.
We don't need a performer in the White House, we need a leader (with a knowledge of history that goes back before the 1990's).
We don't need a performer in the White House, we need a leader (with a knowledge of history that goes back before the 1990's).
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Interesting how Old Bernie's supporters are already making excuses for his coming failure to win the Democratic nomination.
True that we don't need a performer. We need someone who knows the issues, not someone too lazy to prepare for an interview, as Old Bernie is. And true that we need someone with knowledge and understanding of history. What makes you imagine Old Bernie has either of those attributes? Got any specific examples?
Old Bernie is rude and crude. Lazy and angry. Dishonest, of course, as he and his staff have demonstrated repeatedly.
Weird how he's still blaming the headline in the Washington Post for the big LIE he told about Hillary the other day, complete with air quotes and "quote, unquote". Yuck.
True that we don't need a performer. We need someone who knows the issues, not someone too lazy to prepare for an interview, as Old Bernie is. And true that we need someone with knowledge and understanding of history. What makes you imagine Old Bernie has either of those attributes? Got any specific examples?
Old Bernie is rude and crude. Lazy and angry. Dishonest, of course, as he and his staff have demonstrated repeatedly.
Weird how he's still blaming the headline in the Washington Post for the big LIE he told about Hillary the other day, complete with air quotes and "quote, unquote". Yuck.
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It is very interesting to hear that Hillary mentions Obama and Obama while she denigrating him few years ago. She even had issues with him because he resented in supporting Hillary's lunatic foreign policy ideas and war mongering. Yet, for her, suddenly, Obama is the right person. Is that the inevitable side effect of faking Southern accent????
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The talk about whether Europe is bearing its fair share of joint defense costs was complete non-sense. NATO is fighting the last war. The Europeans are on the front lines of this one. They are bearing ALL the costs of an historic refugee and migrant flow, and they are the ones having their cities attacked by terrorists. The Europeans are carrying far more than their fair share of the weight. Our presidential candidates should be thanking them rather than chastising them for not sinking more assets into useless fighter jets and tanks.
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The NRA funded his senatorial campaign and he voted 6 times in their favor. Now THAT is corruption. Game over. He had no examples of her voting on the side of Wall Street. NONE.
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Bernie Sanders gets a D- grade from the NRA so please stop inventing things.
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Wrong the nra did not fund his campaign. check your facts before you spew stuff out.
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If she has nothing to hide regarding Wall Street, why not release the transcripts of her exorbitantly paid speeches to the likes of Goldman Sachs? What has she got to hide. Saying Sanders has no evidence that she is bought and paid for is disingenuous when she is assiduously hiding her record. And the bill sponsored by right-wing members of Congress that repealed Glass-Steagall, which separated commercial and investment banking and would have prevented the 2008 meltdown, was signed by her husband. It was replaced by a watered-down Dodd-Frank, which, according to every analysis I have read in the media is completely ineffectual in reining in the banks, which are now even larger than they were in 2008.
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It's been a long time since we have had a leader with the courage and strength of character possessed by Mr. Sanders.
I am so glad this generation has found him so they know what true leadership, inspiration, integrity and grit look like. That it really exist and existed once upon a time, when America was young.
This is what we valued in our people before the advertising and television industries told us otherwise.
He sort of reminds me of Mr. Smith Goes To Washington (great old movie with Jimmy Stewart, worth watching now)...but Bernie's challenges are far greater.
Good thing he has that old style character and is up to the job, in fact, this is the culmination of a lifetime work and purpose.
The Oligarchy isn't ready but the People are.
I am so glad this generation has found him so they know what true leadership, inspiration, integrity and grit look like. That it really exist and existed once upon a time, when America was young.
This is what we valued in our people before the advertising and television industries told us otherwise.
He sort of reminds me of Mr. Smith Goes To Washington (great old movie with Jimmy Stewart, worth watching now)...but Bernie's challenges are far greater.
Good thing he has that old style character and is up to the job, in fact, this is the culmination of a lifetime work and purpose.
The Oligarchy isn't ready but the People are.
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Hillary fashions herself as the candidate that can get "things done" but for who ?Goldman Sachs gave her $600,000 for a few speeches ? those were GOLDEN words and she wont share them with the people she wants to vote for her. Hillary's great experience is the experience to consider and vote for WAR in Iraq SHE wrapped herself in Obama all night but she couldn't wrap her vote for the IRAQ war with Obama because he like Bernie voted NO for that disastrous war that killed and maimed so many. That's Hillary's experience FROM day one and if she is elected more of that ...not the way I am voting.
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Correction: Obama did not vote "No" for the invasion of Iraq because he was not a U.S. Senator at that time. People always say, "Obama was against the war and Hillary voted to go to war (as did 28 other Democratic Senators), as a comparison between the two. I just would like for people to get their facts straight because these sound bites are often the only information some people use to decide on which way to vote.
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True we should get the facts straight Obama voted against funding the war in 2007 ....Hillary actually got $675,000 from Goldman Sachs and she made other speeches lasing an hour for UBS and other banks to the tune of MILLIONs
"Clinton’s most lucrative year was 2013, right after stepping down as secretary of state. That year, she made $2.3 million for three speeches to Goldman Sachs and individual speeches to Deutsche Bank, Morgan Stanley, Fidelity Investments, Apollo Management Holdings, UBS, Bank of America, and Golden Tree Asset Managers.
The following year, she picked up $485,000 for a speech to Deutsche Bank and an address to Ameriprise. Last year, she made $150,000 from a lecture before the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce."
What a speaker!! Check that out
"Clinton’s most lucrative year was 2013, right after stepping down as secretary of state. That year, she made $2.3 million for three speeches to Goldman Sachs and individual speeches to Deutsche Bank, Morgan Stanley, Fidelity Investments, Apollo Management Holdings, UBS, Bank of America, and Golden Tree Asset Managers.
The following year, she picked up $485,000 for a speech to Deutsche Bank and an address to Ameriprise. Last year, she made $150,000 from a lecture before the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce."
What a speaker!! Check that out
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We don't mind Bernie being grumpy.
Most of us are too.
Most of us are too.
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I don't know why most comments question Sanders on his integrity and honesty? He is one of the honest politicians in America; Hillary is defintely not. Opinion polls say a lot about her. But those people who question Sanders did not even bother to visit his website. He clearly mentions the issues he will address and how he will do it. Whether he can do it or not is immaterial. He is not so vapid as some comments suggest. On the other hand, Hillary has played deceptively about the gender card and how she has the record and so on. But she screwed up with the emails and secrecy stuff right. I agree that GOP made a fuss out of it, but what guarantee she will give that she will not screw up with the state secrets and other sensitive material? Her international experience is pathetic. She supported the Iraq War in 2003 and Libyan intervention in 2009 forcing Obama to do something, but today she is blatantly lying that there are elections in Libya. In reality, Libya as of now has two governments( both of them have terrorist affiliations) and ISIS has a branch in Libya and it is so destabilized that it can't even control the refugees poring through their borders. If these are her achievements, god save America. Finally, not to mention her record of flip-flopping from one issue to another, her nexus with Wall Street and interest groups and so on. May be Susan Sarandon is right: Trump is better than Hillary, yet NYT and her blind supporters will neither reason nor face the reality.
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I've seen enough, let's put an end to this. Yelling, uncivil behavior, blah blah blah blah blah. If we don't know where they stand by now we never will. Let's just have them all shut up and vote. The only reason they debate is because they hope the other makes a mistake they can jump on and exploit. Blood sport, yuck. And then we have the pundits. Why not just impartial news people. Why do we have to listen to people supporting a specific candidate. Yeah, they're impartial, we can trust them, not. What claptrap. I'm done, I'll vote in November but no more politics until then. Good lord, make the bad men go away.
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To me - Mr. Sanders is nothing more than government fat cat - collecting a "huge" government paycheck for 25 years while doing next to nothing to earn it. Watching him struggle to answer nearly every in-depth policy question makes me wonder what he has been doing all day long for two decades. I also wondered how I can get that job!
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Keep wondering... but I doubt you'll get it. It's all there on the record as well as what he did articulate. As best he could with Hillary's shrill voice constantly interrupting. She's ranting, Bernie's asking the moderator to intervene ...and then the moderator say's they both should stop yelling... really not acknowledging it's was Bernie's turn? You just keep wondering.
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Hillary Clinton is the favorite choice of the 1% and she will never in reality represent anyone else! But in ways that more often than not look ridiculously biased the NYT does everything it can to pass her off as the best and favourite choice of regular folks! It would be a great historic moment to finally have a woman as President but that in itself doesn´t make her the right political choice for regular folks around America (even if she looks like a nice granny)!
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Of course Bernie supporters would ultimately vote for Hillary if it came down to it. I would. But 2 points - as a Jew, I've been waiting for ANY politician to express the slightest sympathy or concern for the Palestinian people, which Bernie tonight did - only to say for those who were listening that the attack on Palestine last year -in which thousands of civilians were wounded - was "disproportionate," which it manifestly was, as the U.N. and every objective group found it was. So that was COURAGEOUS of him.
Also, both Hilary and her mouthpiece Podesta - despite the fact that she has been suffering from a trust deficit because she refuses to answer questions directly, persisted in avoiding direct answers about a million times, further enforcing the main problem people have with her. It did not improve tonight, and it won't go away. How will it play out in the general elections - because I'd LIKE to believe she can win.
Also, both Hilary and her mouthpiece Podesta - despite the fact that she has been suffering from a trust deficit because she refuses to answer questions directly, persisted in avoiding direct answers about a million times, further enforcing the main problem people have with her. It did not improve tonight, and it won't go away. How will it play out in the general elections - because I'd LIKE to believe she can win.
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This Bernie supporter will NOT vote for Hillary
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Sanders meaningless rhetoric has little or no connection to reality and is unoriginal and unproductive. His reliance on lies and distortions is dangerous and provocative. His understanding of the Middle East is nil and his sources of information about Israel and the Palestinians are from our enemies.
Sanders is almost as loony as Trump and only slightly less dangerous and repulsive.
Sanders is almost as loony as Trump and only slightly less dangerous and repulsive.
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Could not agree more. It's the same old rhetoric.
Last night I just saw our new President. Congratulations Madame President.
Can't wait for November.
Last night I just saw our new President. Congratulations Madame President.
Can't wait for November.
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Sanders is a lot saner and more honest than Trump, Cruz, or Clinton.
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It's interesting that you claim you're from "Netanyahu's Israel".... At least that parts probably true...
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Deeply saddened that this lady who berates Bernie for his Sandymount opinions could not manage one ounce, one atom of sympathy or compassion for the 500 little children of Gaza murdered by Israel using in many cases our weapons.
Immense decency by Bernie in the Jewish heartland of Brooklyn.
Hillary lying again on the Balkan statelet offered to Arafat at Camp David, dismissed by almost everybody who is knowledgeable, a deception perpetrated because she was shortly to be a candidate for the US Senate in NYS.
Yes, I'll vote for her November 2016, yes, I abhor the legions of lies directed at her, but she seems deeply dishonest on Israel, our relationship with that apartheid statelet is ravaging our international credibility, is costing us billions, is perpetuating every catastrophe in the Middle East, it's why we support Salman in Saudi Arabia (15 Saudis for 9/11. $50 Billion to fund Islam fanaticism worldwide), we support the Egyptian coup d'etat.
For now, I'll vote Bernie.
Is there any rational exploration why our international politics is centered on the statelet of Israel? It's credentials as a democracy is in shreds - it exports all our stolen advanced military technology to China, it practices advanced apartheid while duping much of the planet it's a democracy.
Immense decency by Bernie in the Jewish heartland of Brooklyn.
Hillary lying again on the Balkan statelet offered to Arafat at Camp David, dismissed by almost everybody who is knowledgeable, a deception perpetrated because she was shortly to be a candidate for the US Senate in NYS.
Yes, I'll vote for her November 2016, yes, I abhor the legions of lies directed at her, but she seems deeply dishonest on Israel, our relationship with that apartheid statelet is ravaging our international credibility, is costing us billions, is perpetuating every catastrophe in the Middle East, it's why we support Salman in Saudi Arabia (15 Saudis for 9/11. $50 Billion to fund Islam fanaticism worldwide), we support the Egyptian coup d'etat.
For now, I'll vote Bernie.
Is there any rational exploration why our international politics is centered on the statelet of Israel? It's credentials as a democracy is in shreds - it exports all our stolen advanced military technology to China, it practices advanced apartheid while duping much of the planet it's a democracy.
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Hillary supports Obama's foreign wars. In Yemen alone in 2015, Obama is responsible for the deaths of 954 children. Thousands more children have been killed in the Obama/Clinton drone strikes on more than 20 countries over the past 7+ years. Do those children not matter to the warmongering Clinton?
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I suppose the Hamas fighters who launch rockets at will at Israel and then use the Palestinians as human shields by deliberately inserting themselves into the civilian population have no responsibility for the deaths that occur in Gaza. I agree that some of Israel's response to the rocket attacks was disproportionate, but your rhetoric makes it cleat that you are only capable of seeing one side of this issue.
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Actually, it all could have been avoided if Hamas had the decency not to position its fighters behind civilians and within schools and hospitals. But I'm sure that never occurred to you, did it?
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I wonder if Hillary Clinton will repair Bill's destruction of the justice system, where we ended up with laws that created totally corrupt judges and prosecutors.
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I am not a fan of Bill or Hillary, but what on earth are you talking about?
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She dropped the NRA bomb on him and he was not ready for it. That fully explains why he voted 5 times against the Brady Bill and then voted FOR gun industry immunity. A big AHA moment for me. They helped get him elected in Vermont! Oh, but he doesn't want you to look at that so he yelled even louder about how corrupt she could be, although he could not name one example of her voting on the side of Wall street.
I have lost any dwindling admiration for him. He has become a raging finger-wagger and it was disturbing to watch his mocking sarcasm directed at our future woman President.
I have lost any dwindling admiration for him. He has become a raging finger-wagger and it was disturbing to watch his mocking sarcasm directed at our future woman President.
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I have to say something about the "Debate Highlights and Analysis" offered on the NYT website. It's actually a bunch of tweets from assembled journalists, along with a handful of quotes and images of the candidates.
Sorry, people, but that's not "analysis". An analysis would present a summary of the key issues discussed, and put them together into an overarching narrative which puts the event into context. Tweets are not analysis. It's not just the candidates who need to do their homework!
Sorry, people, but that's not "analysis". An analysis would present a summary of the key issues discussed, and put them together into an overarching narrative which puts the event into context. Tweets are not analysis. It's not just the candidates who need to do their homework!
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And not a mention of the debate's utter neglect of the Clinton family's RICO-foundation. Will it close down if HRC returns to public office? Let us not forget that for all her invocations of the President today, the Clintons failed to adhere to commitments reagardong foundation fund raising made to the Obama White House when HRC became Secretary of State.
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