If Sanders is going to have a chance, he has to trounce Hillary by at least a 65%-35% margin.
Bernie Supporters, do the math: his six recent victories just barely matched Hillary's single victory of Florida. Just one state vs six states.
What aren't you getting? With NY, NJ, Pennsylvania, and California coming.
Bernie Supporters, do the math: his six recent victories just barely matched Hillary's single victory of Florida. Just one state vs six states.
What aren't you getting? With NY, NJ, Pennsylvania, and California coming.
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The latest strategy of the clinton camp is to question if Bernie is a democrat. But we should all be asking Hillary that question, is she really a democrat, a progressive or she is simply fundraising for them? We the people feel let down by the democratic party.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democ...
and
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/06/hillary_clinton_admits_it_she_doesnt_rea...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/hillary-clinton-bernie-sanders-democ...
and
http://www.salon.com/2016/04/06/hillary_clinton_admits_it_she_doesnt_rea...
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Reading Bernie's acolytes' comments makes it feel like 99% of the USA is trapped in a prison created by the 1%, large corporations and the banking industry, guarded by Hillary, the evil warden. Then Bernie is the valiant, pure, virginal white knight coming with his sword to free us all...
Pfff! And enough of over-simplified fairy tales! Reality is complex -- the means to sustain our lives, provide jobs, deliver needed services, etc. are intertwined across public/private and small/large entities that engage to make it all possible. Can things be improved? Absolutely. But this should be done carefully and judiciously -- keeping productivity while defining more fair ways to distribute outputs.
We need to work together, be realistic and be nice/respectful to each other as we change. Everybody matters. And let's stop this white knight thingie...
Pfff! And enough of over-simplified fairy tales! Reality is complex -- the means to sustain our lives, provide jobs, deliver needed services, etc. are intertwined across public/private and small/large entities that engage to make it all possible. Can things be improved? Absolutely. But this should be done carefully and judiciously -- keeping productivity while defining more fair ways to distribute outputs.
We need to work together, be realistic and be nice/respectful to each other as we change. Everybody matters. And let's stop this white knight thingie...
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Remember, Hillary fled sniper fire on a tarmac.
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Bernie's messages sound so good, but he is disingenuous in not really figuring out how much his economic, college and social agenda will cost. Is the federal government going to pay for free public college education? I bet not and state government budgets certainly will not allow for such expenditures. I used to work in the SUNY and PASSHE systems.
Will all the trade agreements that Sanders would change mean lower costs for imported goods that we Americans now enjoy? Most important, our Congress needs to change most of the laws that would permit the changes Sanders proposes. Even if the costs would permit them to do so; do we really think they will go through Congress? And putting aside the current Health Care initiatives for a single payer process. Oh, gosh, would we ever get even close to healthcare as we now finally have it.
And the cost. Don't kid yourself, taxes will rise under Sanders and stifle the promise of an increase in economic benefits to the middle class that we all want. Finally, revolutions take years to happen!
Will all the trade agreements that Sanders would change mean lower costs for imported goods that we Americans now enjoy? Most important, our Congress needs to change most of the laws that would permit the changes Sanders proposes. Even if the costs would permit them to do so; do we really think they will go through Congress? And putting aside the current Health Care initiatives for a single payer process. Oh, gosh, would we ever get even close to healthcare as we now finally have it.
And the cost. Don't kid yourself, taxes will rise under Sanders and stifle the promise of an increase in economic benefits to the middle class that we all want. Finally, revolutions take years to happen!
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I guess the Clintonites have forgotten how their candidate couldn't beat Obama in 2008. It's not like Clinton was a relative unknown in 2008. I hope for the sake of the country (SCOTUS anyone!?) the Clintonites figure out before November that she cannot win a general election. This isn't hyperbole- WI wasn't even close.
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It remain a mystery to me how it is possible that a social democrat message cannot appeal that part of a population that is more affected by economic inequality. I am talking about African Americans. They should be more attracted by the social equality and wealth redistribution agenda of Mr.Sander rather than the vague and opportunistic views of Mrs Clinton. I think Clinton is playing the game in churches and unfortunately this approach seems to work for her, but ultimately her bond is just evanescent, sentimental and far from reality.
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There is a very good reason that Sanders supporters will not vote for Hillary should she become the nominee. That is because she represents the old way of trickle down economics that have benefited the ultra-wealthy at the expense of the middle class. Clinton represents the status quo that we are so dissatisfied with. She is one of "them" - someone who got rich gaming the system.
We support Sanders because he is not her, nor anything like her. He is a modest, kindly, concerned man who cares for Americans of all races and backgrounds. He has consistently put the middle class concerns above those of the oligarchs. He has done this for decades. Clinton is arrogant, harsh, and is owned by the Wall Street donors (look at the donor list), despite her rhetoric and her very recent conversion to Bernie's positions on so many things. She is a fake, and it is obvious. Her lust for money and power are too obvious, and we want something different. Nominating Hillary is like nominating one of the GOP bunch.
Read her departments statements on Benghazi and then read the email to Chelsea. Read what she claimed about sniper fire at the airport and then watch the tape of the reality at the airport. Look into your own conscience and ask yourself if a habitual liar owned by the 0.1% is really what we want at this point in our history, when we have an agent of change in Bernie that is motivating the middle class in a way that hasn't happened since the Vietnam war. We NEED Bernie.
We support Sanders because he is not her, nor anything like her. He is a modest, kindly, concerned man who cares for Americans of all races and backgrounds. He has consistently put the middle class concerns above those of the oligarchs. He has done this for decades. Clinton is arrogant, harsh, and is owned by the Wall Street donors (look at the donor list), despite her rhetoric and her very recent conversion to Bernie's positions on so many things. She is a fake, and it is obvious. Her lust for money and power are too obvious, and we want something different. Nominating Hillary is like nominating one of the GOP bunch.
Read her departments statements on Benghazi and then read the email to Chelsea. Read what she claimed about sniper fire at the airport and then watch the tape of the reality at the airport. Look into your own conscience and ask yourself if a habitual liar owned by the 0.1% is really what we want at this point in our history, when we have an agent of change in Bernie that is motivating the middle class in a way that hasn't happened since the Vietnam war. We NEED Bernie.
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YEah - because ELEVEN delegates is totally momentum, right?
No. He's losing. STILL losing. ...and even if he won, The Republicans would paint him as a communist and obliterate him at the polls you CAN NOT run this man, and we won't.
April 15th is Judgement Day for the BernieBros. Celebrate now, because the tears are coming. We've been trying to warn you, but you're all over-invested now. It's not going to go well for Bernie or you.
No. He's losing. STILL losing. ...and even if he won, The Republicans would paint him as a communist and obliterate him at the polls you CAN NOT run this man, and we won't.
April 15th is Judgement Day for the BernieBros. Celebrate now, because the tears are coming. We've been trying to warn you, but you're all over-invested now. It's not going to go well for Bernie or you.
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I was annoyed by a NY Times interview that claimed Bernie Sanders did not know how to break up the Big Banks.
That is a legislative issue that has dealt with monopolies like ATT over the years going back to the infamous robber barons in the 1930s.
That is a legislative issue that has dealt with monopolies like ATT over the years going back to the infamous robber barons in the 1930s.
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The socialist from Vermont beat the presumptive nominee by 13.5 percentage points - almost double what Obama beat McCain by in 2008. I would say that means crushed.
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6 Caucuses and 1 Primary does not an election make.
We are coming into the closed Primary section of this years race.
This is where you will see Hillary's lead go back up to 300 Delegates.
Then they will trade off wins until june 7th where he will need 300 delegates out of the remaining states.
We are coming into the closed Primary section of this years race.
This is where you will see Hillary's lead go back up to 300 Delegates.
Then they will trade off wins until june 7th where he will need 300 delegates out of the remaining states.
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I share in my fellow Clinton supporters exasperation with regards to the amped-up pro Sanders responses here... We have looked at the electoral map of the general, reviewed the polls and primary results, and we have reasonably, quite reasonably, concluded that Hillary Clinton can beat all declared, and as yet undiscovered, Republicans...
But I will not, and urge others to refrain from, tarring Sanders for whatever his deficiencies...it will only result in bitterness and enmity among the spectrum of the left, when Hillary Clinton secures the nomination in early May and this should all be forgotten.
This particular election is far too important to weaken or disaffect any portion of the left...not only for SCOTUS, not only for ACA, not only for gun-violence and police accountability, but because there is also a great chance for Clinton to updraft a reclamation of the Senate, a body where Senator Sanders can and should serve out his term and elevate his advocacy to greater effect, as a member of the majority.
And that message is true for the Sanders supporters, as well. Will you stop tarring Mrs Clinton both now and after she secures this nomination? Will you promise not to snipe, and not to sit on your hands in the general when she is the nominee?
I may like Sanders more than you like Clinton; I get that...but I would praise and vote for Sanders with bells on if he were to be the nominee...would you do the same for Hillary Clinton?
But I will not, and urge others to refrain from, tarring Sanders for whatever his deficiencies...it will only result in bitterness and enmity among the spectrum of the left, when Hillary Clinton secures the nomination in early May and this should all be forgotten.
This particular election is far too important to weaken or disaffect any portion of the left...not only for SCOTUS, not only for ACA, not only for gun-violence and police accountability, but because there is also a great chance for Clinton to updraft a reclamation of the Senate, a body where Senator Sanders can and should serve out his term and elevate his advocacy to greater effect, as a member of the majority.
And that message is true for the Sanders supporters, as well. Will you stop tarring Mrs Clinton both now and after she secures this nomination? Will you promise not to snipe, and not to sit on your hands in the general when she is the nominee?
I may like Sanders more than you like Clinton; I get that...but I would praise and vote for Sanders with bells on if he were to be the nominee...would you do the same for Hillary Clinton?
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What is missing from most media accounts of the Democratic fight for the nomination is the dynamic aspect of the race. Whereas Clinton racked up votes, delegates, and fundraising in the early stages, Sanders has now won 8 of the last 9 primaries, has outraised Clinton the last 3 months, January, February, March (Sanders' $44 million 50% more than Clinton's $29.5 million in March). In short this is a dynamic race in which Sanders now has the voters' and fundraising momentum, while Clinton is trending down. In fundraising Clinton appears to be tapped out, requiring ever more big money fundraisers. Meanwhile, the awesome scale of of Sanders' fundraising method is just becoming apparent. With 2 million small contributors, each with a maximum of $2700, the Sanders fundraising organization has a theoretical limit of $5.4 billion, more than enough to make a big change in business as usual.
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In my hard-copy of the paper for today there was the most insane and damning article about the Wisconsin primary. The headline was that Cruz and Sanders won in Wisconsin and then the whole article was about Cruz and never mentioned Sanders. What a damning piece of editorializing that it was written and omitted that way. I read it three times because I could not believe how blatant was the slant of the coverage.
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Hillary Clinton - in the year 2013 alone - received $3,202,013 in speech 'fees' from the following Wall St. entities:
Morgan Stanley $225,000
Deutsche Bank $225,000
Fidelity Investments $225,000
Apollo Management Holdings $225,000
Itau BBA USA Securities $225,000
Sanford Bernstein and Co. $225,000
Goldman Sachs $225,000
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts $225,000
UBS Wealth Management $225,000
Goldman Sachs (2nd time) $225,000
Goldman Sachs (3rd time) $225,000
Golden Tree Asset Mgmt $275,000
Bank of America $225,000
CME Group $225,000
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/documents/13/HRC_2013_Speeches_-_Tax_Retu...
That's just one year of speech 'fee' income for Hillary Clinton from Wall St.,
not counting any other year and not counting any past or current campaign contributions to her political campaigns or SuperPACs.
These payments did NOT go into her election campaign fund but directly into her bank account. HRC is totally owned by Wall St & worse AIPAC. Bernie is the ONLY POTUS candidate worthy of a vote in 2016.
Morgan Stanley $225,000
Deutsche Bank $225,000
Fidelity Investments $225,000
Apollo Management Holdings $225,000
Itau BBA USA Securities $225,000
Sanford Bernstein and Co. $225,000
Goldman Sachs $225,000
Kohlberg Kravis Roberts $225,000
UBS Wealth Management $225,000
Goldman Sachs (2nd time) $225,000
Goldman Sachs (3rd time) $225,000
Golden Tree Asset Mgmt $275,000
Bank of America $225,000
CME Group $225,000
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/documents/13/HRC_2013_Speeches_-_Tax_Retu...
That's just one year of speech 'fee' income for Hillary Clinton from Wall St.,
not counting any other year and not counting any past or current campaign contributions to her political campaigns or SuperPACs.
These payments did NOT go into her election campaign fund but directly into her bank account. HRC is totally owned by Wall St & worse AIPAC. Bernie is the ONLY POTUS candidate worthy of a vote in 2016.
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And Bernie's income was...we don't know! Bernie is hiding something
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Thanks for doing the reporting the nyt should be doing!
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Larry, bernie's income was $200,000 a year for 2014. He says 2015 is no different. Stop nit picking.
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Barney Frank on CNBC - totally destroying Sanders' ignorance on Too Big to Fail.
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How hard can it be to destroy Crazy Bernie's ideas?
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Barney is a corrupt Wall Street shill, enjoy your tv time though
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Reply to Doug: that sure would be a surprise to Rrepublicans and Wall Street which fought Dodd- Frank tooth and nail, and still is fighting to weaken or repeal it
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Oh Amy. To suggest that a candidate who is unfamiliar with how to ride the subway in New York is unworthy of the presidency is ludicrious. It also suggests that you should not be writing about politics. Are you making your presidential selection based on subway riding? Try writing fiction.
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It shows how out of touch Bernie is. But Bernie knows how to open a limo door and how to hide his tax returns
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This guy is a freaking disaster in the making.. Hope he meets his maker before November.
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You seem nice.
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Nobody asks, will Hillary be Bernie's vice president? Will Hillary supporters switch to Bernie if he wins the nomination? It's the presumptuousness of the DNC and democrats who are for Clinton that has driven us all crazy. We should all unite behind Bernie Sanders instead, people!!
Finally the NYT sees that it may have a story here...I hope others will follow.
Finally the NYT sees that it may have a story here...I hope others will follow.
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The presumptuousness of Bernie Sanders running on a Democratic ticket if he thinks the Democrats are presumptous. Where would he be with out us?
Oh, and yes those questions have been asked. Where have you been?
Oh, and yes those questions have been asked. Where have you been?
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It'll be quite interesting to see horror that ensues when, at the GOP Convention, their party leaders effectively say "Psyche! We were just kidding, here is our real candidate. We can't believe the DNC actually believed that either of these two idiots (Trump / Cruz) would be the competition."
To the Clintonites: Has it occurred to any of you that Trump or Cruz will not be the Republican nominee? Are you confident that your candidate can beat a Republican other than Trump or Cruz? I'm not. Look at all of the Blue States so far: that is the best Clinton can do among Democrats. She can barely beat a virtual unknown, self-proclaimed socialist and now that she's in the Blue States, she's getting trounced.
To the Clintonites: Has it occurred to any of you that Trump or Cruz will not be the Republican nominee? Are you confident that your candidate can beat a Republican other than Trump or Cruz? I'm not. Look at all of the Blue States so far: that is the best Clinton can do among Democrats. She can barely beat a virtual unknown, self-proclaimed socialist and now that she's in the Blue States, she's getting trounced.
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Clinton would obviously fail in a presidential race when (a) her Wall Street backers desert her and (b) the Democratic grassroots refuses to fund her. Bernie is so much better a campaigner that if Hillary had chutzpah and the Democratic Party's interests really at heart, rather than her own, she would drop out of the race and support Bernie. But she can't bring her heart to let go. Ego.
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Actually, I would make the very same arguments for Hillary vs. Bernie.
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It's time for a third party for candidates with character like Bernie.
Let the United-democratic party wallow with Hillary , Wall Street and her super delegates. Let the Publicans continue their slide into oblivion with the conservative rich and their whacko candidates.
Let the United-democratic party wallow with Hillary , Wall Street and her super delegates. Let the Publicans continue their slide into oblivion with the conservative rich and their whacko candidates.
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Let's face it, Barney can't win without the Democratic Party you love to hate. The Democratic Party couldn't win without Bernie, unless Trump leaves the Republican party to run on his own party. If both happened Hillary would win. I'm cool with that.
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He is winning on negative campaign, false promises he can't fulfill and wishful thinking. I was 15 years old, living across the main Tehran University in Iran, which was the main organized starting point of the 79 Iranian Revolution! still today the Friday prayers are held there every week! initially all the demonstrators and protesters where the university students,the educated intellectuals who wanted more liberty, freedom of speech, equal rights, reform and less of monarchy and Establishment ! in the initial months of the revolution there were hardly any talk of religion, as it attracted more crowds, we saw more change in the looks and the types of the participants, there were less and less educated students, and more and more people who were brought up in huge buses, extreme religious groups and more the slogans had religious theme, flavor and message! even some students were believing the harmless holly message of Khomaini,all groups were supporting him, believing he will deliver them from the monarchy and bring real hope and change to the country, nothing religious was mandatory at the time,within 2 years it all changed, all progressives were arrested gone, head covers mandatory even for us Christians,and the rest is history!!! People need to read history be careful and wise about what are they protesting for and how that change will look like & how things will get done! getting excited and believing in some empty hopes, can have very long unpredictable implications.
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You are comparing Sanders to Khomaini! How dare you? I get your point and appreciate the perspective, although I doubt fervent Sanders supporters will understand.
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Bernie is committing fraud. He tells his supporters to give him money and votes, yet he doesn't tell them how far behind he is in delegates, how the super delegates are all for Hillary since she's actually a Democrat, how he won't get even one of his insane ideas even if he somehow gets elected, etc. If any CEO was as dishonest to his shareholders as Bernie is to his supporters, the CEO would be in jail. Then again, every CEO or Wall Street banker is more honest than Bernie
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Thank you for your perspective! People, read and heed the above!
I grew up in an urban wasteland part of this country. Refugees from every major world conflict made up a significant part of the population. I cringe when I hear "progressives" inciting talk of revolution. I try to explain, based on my formative conversations with so many people from so many failed states, that they, the liberal, self-described peace-lovers, will not be the segment of the population that magically takes over the country after an uprising, after a collapse precipitated by economic collapse or sheer anger. For sharing this perspective I've been loudly, publicly castigated by friends who are caught up in the Bernie cult. At first I thought of him as dangerous because he reminded me of Nader, losing a critical election for Gore (think of where we might be now on the issue of climate change alone), but then I started to see something even worse. It gives me further pause that the large majority of his supporters are young white males. People, think. Take a breath. Study the world! Examine what happens in a collapsed state and in the wake of "revolution." It's not pretty, and the peaceful hippies do not win.
I grew up in an urban wasteland part of this country. Refugees from every major world conflict made up a significant part of the population. I cringe when I hear "progressives" inciting talk of revolution. I try to explain, based on my formative conversations with so many people from so many failed states, that they, the liberal, self-described peace-lovers, will not be the segment of the population that magically takes over the country after an uprising, after a collapse precipitated by economic collapse or sheer anger. For sharing this perspective I've been loudly, publicly castigated by friends who are caught up in the Bernie cult. At first I thought of him as dangerous because he reminded me of Nader, losing a critical election for Gore (think of where we might be now on the issue of climate change alone), but then I started to see something even worse. It gives me further pause that the large majority of his supporters are young white males. People, think. Take a breath. Study the world! Examine what happens in a collapsed state and in the wake of "revolution." It's not pretty, and the peaceful hippies do not win.
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Bernie, gun control and Sandy Hook:
Why are we failing to tell the true story here? All the guns used were purchased by Adam Lanza's mother, legally. A negligent mother failed to obtain appropriate services for a desperately troubled child. A divorced father failed to ensure the appropriate guardianship of his desperately troubled child.
I despise guns. I don't like hunting. But many people who are not crazy or negligent do hunt, and do like activities such as target shooting, and the equipment they use is legally sold.
Note: A lobbyist for the gun industry has been a fundraiser for Hillary. Why does she accept the money he brings?
Why are we failing to tell the true story here? All the guns used were purchased by Adam Lanza's mother, legally. A negligent mother failed to obtain appropriate services for a desperately troubled child. A divorced father failed to ensure the appropriate guardianship of his desperately troubled child.
I despise guns. I don't like hunting. But many people who are not crazy or negligent do hunt, and do like activities such as target shooting, and the equipment they use is legally sold.
Note: A lobbyist for the gun industry has been a fundraiser for Hillary. Why does she accept the money he brings?
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@SCA - Any credible source for your claims? No? Thought so.
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Jeff Forbes, lobbyist for the NRA until the end of 2015, co-hosted a fundraiser for Hillary with Jon Podesta.
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Was the fundraiser before or after he left the NRA?
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Isnt it somehow suitable that in this unusual election cycle the Democratic nominee may need to 'win' by utilizing "super delegates" that are not elected and therefore not representative of the will of the people? And the Republican candidate may get the lions share of the delegates elected by the vast majority of voters but have his candidacy denounced and removed summarily by 'rules' and those who create them? How fitting that a mini revolution in politics has only just begun.
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There is no mini-revolution. And furthermore, your candidate Bernie also has super delegates and is putting a good deal of effort in trying to get some of Hillary's super delegates to "flip". And Bernie has also turned to an attack campaign which directly conflicts with his earlier remarks during the debates. Sorry, but he sounds like a typical politician to me at this point.
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Sanders trounced Clinton in Wisconsin. Will this carry over into New York?
Yes, primarily because of changing voter demographics and the economy.
According to the Pew Research Center, the 2016 vote is comprised of 4% Asian voters, 12% Hispanic voters, 12% Black voters and 69% White voters.
Bernie's anti-trade accord stance resonates with Asian voters, as do his positions on immigration and free university tuition.
Millennial children of Hispanic voters persuading their families to vote for Sanders, as evidenced in Nevada and Arizona. His immigration plan resonates with all Hispanics, as do his economic reforms.
Sanders' support among Black voters has been increasing, as his record of marching, and working for Civil Rights and for Prison Reform has been revealed.
Among white voters, mixed ages and genders support each candidate, although the rich prefer Hillary. Bernie just won in White Wisconsin, a state of mixed age and economic levels.
Sanders' appeal to those hurt by income inequality, unfair wage discrimination, low wages, US jobs being shipped overseas, their skin color, plus his call for a larger social safety net is his unifying force. Most voters support his ideas, and, they believe he is trustworthy.
New York has been hit hard by jobs lost to other countries and is still recovering from the 2008 crisis.
Wall St. gave the crisis to the world. It supports Clinton. Will New York vote for economic justice and social protections? The demographics say, "yes!"
Yes, primarily because of changing voter demographics and the economy.
According to the Pew Research Center, the 2016 vote is comprised of 4% Asian voters, 12% Hispanic voters, 12% Black voters and 69% White voters.
Bernie's anti-trade accord stance resonates with Asian voters, as do his positions on immigration and free university tuition.
Millennial children of Hispanic voters persuading their families to vote for Sanders, as evidenced in Nevada and Arizona. His immigration plan resonates with all Hispanics, as do his economic reforms.
Sanders' support among Black voters has been increasing, as his record of marching, and working for Civil Rights and for Prison Reform has been revealed.
Among white voters, mixed ages and genders support each candidate, although the rich prefer Hillary. Bernie just won in White Wisconsin, a state of mixed age and economic levels.
Sanders' appeal to those hurt by income inequality, unfair wage discrimination, low wages, US jobs being shipped overseas, their skin color, plus his call for a larger social safety net is his unifying force. Most voters support his ideas, and, they believe he is trustworthy.
New York has been hit hard by jobs lost to other countries and is still recovering from the 2008 crisis.
Wall St. gave the crisis to the world. It supports Clinton. Will New York vote for economic justice and social protections? The demographics say, "yes!"
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I recently was forwarded an email from the Clinton campaign quoting how Sanders didn’t have the answers for how to break up the banks concluding Hillary is the only capable candidate. Here’s why I disagree.
All politicians say things without actual plans to implement all their ideas. Many “ideas” won't even get started once they are in office. You need to remember that if not for Sanders many things wouldn’t be in the current political debate. Several of Hillary’s positions now vs when she started her campaign have changed. She has adopted many of Sanders positions.
Many say his ideas are pie in the sky but if you don't aim toward making substantial changes then you'll never even get near these goals.
Without Sanders saying anything then everyone just keeps doing the same thing.
Hillary is very capable but unfortunately she's not interested in real change. Gay marriage, the Fracking industry, Banks, Environment.... many of her positions she changed when she realized they were unpopular due to Sanders success.
No politician has the answer to everything. Sanders is a long shot but until it’s a done deal we should all support the only current candidate that is standing up for principals instead of industry, corporations and short sighted politics that offer popular short term profits without long term solutions that benefit all members of the society.
All politicians say things without actual plans to implement all their ideas. Many “ideas” won't even get started once they are in office. You need to remember that if not for Sanders many things wouldn’t be in the current political debate. Several of Hillary’s positions now vs when she started her campaign have changed. She has adopted many of Sanders positions.
Many say his ideas are pie in the sky but if you don't aim toward making substantial changes then you'll never even get near these goals.
Without Sanders saying anything then everyone just keeps doing the same thing.
Hillary is very capable but unfortunately she's not interested in real change. Gay marriage, the Fracking industry, Banks, Environment.... many of her positions she changed when she realized they were unpopular due to Sanders success.
No politician has the answer to everything. Sanders is a long shot but until it’s a done deal we should all support the only current candidate that is standing up for principals instead of industry, corporations and short sighted politics that offer popular short term profits without long term solutions that benefit all members of the society.
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You should check out this NY Times article:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/upshot/yes-bernie-sanders-knows-someth...
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/upshot/yes-bernie-sanders-knows-someth...
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Again the NYT is shilling for Hillary.
Bernie beat her in Wisconcin by more than 13 points , you couldn't even admit this. Way back, deep in the article, you sneak in the fact that Bernie won the vote of working class white males and young men and women under 45. I guess the Times and Hillary have forgotten that the Democratic Party once claimed to represent the working class.
oh yes, it was Bill Clinton who proudly proclaimed the DP being Bush-lite and Hillary had just come off a six year stint on the Walmart board of directors.
Bernie has come home to NYC and 18,000 people came out to see him-- oh no -- he's brought out Blacks!, Puerto Ricans!,Dominicans!, and Jews too and it's all thanking place in the South Bronx.
See you at Washington Square Park!
Bernie beat her in Wisconcin by more than 13 points , you couldn't even admit this. Way back, deep in the article, you sneak in the fact that Bernie won the vote of working class white males and young men and women under 45. I guess the Times and Hillary have forgotten that the Democratic Party once claimed to represent the working class.
oh yes, it was Bill Clinton who proudly proclaimed the DP being Bush-lite and Hillary had just come off a six year stint on the Walmart board of directors.
Bernie has come home to NYC and 18,000 people came out to see him-- oh no -- he's brought out Blacks!, Puerto Ricans!,Dominicans!, and Jews too and it's all thanking place in the South Bronx.
See you at Washington Square Park!
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It doesn't equate to very many delegates' advantage though, does it? Delegates are the issue here, and Sanders is 721 behind at this point.
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Nice try. Sanders is 210 delegates behind. Two weeks ago, he was nearly 400 behind. So the truth is that Sanders has halved his delegate deficit in two weeks. If the two candidates split the remaining delegates 50/50 then Clinton fails to get the needed number to win the nomination.
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Here comes the proverbial "sink" Mr. Sanders has talked about; HRC claiming that "I'm not sure he's a Democrat". As an independent, Sanders has caucused with the democrats during both his house ad senate tenures. They needed his vote for ACA and the bail out to reach the magic 60. When first elected Mayor of Burlington, his most vociferous backlash came from entrenched Dems that were a total failure in their governance. Abandoning the precepts of what the Democratic party was since FDR until Jimmy Carter by the DLC (read Clinton Gore) has been failure. The party has morphed into a corporate/lobbyist/elitist organization. Why did the Black Caucus give their total support to HRC? Because she and Bill raise tons of cash from their corporate sponsors and decide who/how much to pass on down the line in the party. They know where their bread is buttered. MLK would be agast. And if anyone should take my pointing the finger at the Black Caucus is racist, don't bother. The DNC and the Clintons do it with any congressional member looking for campaign cash. From my perch in France, this is no different than the King of France buying off lesser nobility in the middle ages. Sanders is doing the party a favor by showing that real people can still make a difference. Will the DNC and party elites smell the coffee?
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JMC, distance gives you perspective and your perspective allows you to see things more clearly than many folks closer to the action. the sink has been thrown because Clinton isn't interested in Sanders supporters (surely you've heard the mayor of Chicago and his hippie bashing) - Clinton is after disaffected republicans that can't stomach either trump or cruz. let the fun begin. The DNC elites are lined up at the trough - you want a good decision from that pile ?
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A campaign that 10 months ago was widely dismissed as a "fringe" campaign has now won 7 out of the last 8 caucuses and primaries, and several of those by landslide margins.
Add to that the fact that he took 70% of the independent vote -- a key demographic for any candidate, Republican or Democratic, who hopes t5o win in November -- in Wisconsin's open primary.
Meanwhile, consider, as many have begun to notice, that most of his opponent's wins have occurred in predmonantly red states -- states that will never vote for a Democrat in November in any case.
Now talk to me again about Bernie Sanders' "electability."
Add to that the fact that he took 70% of the independent vote -- a key demographic for any candidate, Republican or Democratic, who hopes t5o win in November -- in Wisconsin's open primary.
Meanwhile, consider, as many have begun to notice, that most of his opponent's wins have occurred in predmonantly red states -- states that will never vote for a Democrat in November in any case.
Now talk to me again about Bernie Sanders' "electability."
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Says the child: “My parents are getting a divorce.” “Oh, who do want to live with?” “My father.” “Why, is that?” “He promised me a pony.” “A pony? Well, that is a beautiful thing!” “So, where is the pony going to live? In your 1-bedroom apartment?” “I don’t know, but he promised.”
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The divorce analogy is a poor one. Sanders is the candidate many voters have always wanted to begin with. And he's not promising to do anything himself (nor do his supporters think he'll magically deliver). He's helping mobilize progressives who've understood for a long time that (for example) single-payer health care is not out of reach for the richest nation on Earth.
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So you Bernie Sanders supporters are wonderful and Hillary and her supporters -- that is blacks, Hispanics and women older than 35 are all a bunch of corrupt dirt bags. What a bunch of unmitigated baloney!
Many of us have been working to bring civil rights and health care and education and respect to ourselves and each other for our entire lives and a bunch of young twits and whites start hurling the lies about Hillary generated by billionaires, Richard Mellon Scafe and the Koch Brothers saying she is corrupt, and so are we. She has never been convicted of anything except being female.
I am angry at the vague innuendo the Sanders crowd spreads about Hillary. And I am angry at their attempt to once again prevent an outstanding female candidate from winning the Presidency.
It is time for the Sanders bunch to drop their arrogance and start paying attention to the world around them. And I recommend they quit counting their chickens before they hatch. Bernie has not won this election and, in fact, Hillary is far ahead of him. Momentum is no guarantee of success, and I, for one, think the Sanders bunch should pay a little respect to Hillary and her supporters and to the Democratic party. Sanders couldn't win without the party, yet he refuses to do anything to nourish it.
I resent Sanders's capitalizing on all our work and insulting those of us who have built the party. It is time for Hillary Clinton not Bernie Sanders.
Many of us have been working to bring civil rights and health care and education and respect to ourselves and each other for our entire lives and a bunch of young twits and whites start hurling the lies about Hillary generated by billionaires, Richard Mellon Scafe and the Koch Brothers saying she is corrupt, and so are we. She has never been convicted of anything except being female.
I am angry at the vague innuendo the Sanders crowd spreads about Hillary. And I am angry at their attempt to once again prevent an outstanding female candidate from winning the Presidency.
It is time for the Sanders bunch to drop their arrogance and start paying attention to the world around them. And I recommend they quit counting their chickens before they hatch. Bernie has not won this election and, in fact, Hillary is far ahead of him. Momentum is no guarantee of success, and I, for one, think the Sanders bunch should pay a little respect to Hillary and her supporters and to the Democratic party. Sanders couldn't win without the party, yet he refuses to do anything to nourish it.
I resent Sanders's capitalizing on all our work and insulting those of us who have built the party. It is time for Hillary Clinton not Bernie Sanders.
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This is also something that hasn't escaped my attention.
First thought: Just what KIND of "Revolution" is this supposed to be when EVERYBODY isn't invited ???
First thought: Just what KIND of "Revolution" is this supposed to be when EVERYBODY isn't invited ???
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So you call people names and generate more put downs to rationalize your resentments? This is how you aim to bring Bernie voters to your way of thinking?
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I am a woman over 35...no additional information needed.
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We need to reserve our strengths so that President Clinton (with her foreign service creds) and Vice President Sanders (with his domestic creds) can slow down -combine their funds in order to put together what is more sorely needed i.e. the defeat and removal from office ALL those Republicans in office that have for seven years spent all their hatred and stupidity to making sure the Obama has only one term. Being dense and mere puppets of the 1% so unable to think for them selves they are unaware that Obama still has his forth year left on his "second" term??? Surely every true voter can see that these idiots MUST be turned out of office enmasse !!! And if not because they some how still believe the Reps are the party that follows the CONSTITUTION their eyes have finally been opened by the new and present stand taken about the President naming the nominee to replace Scalia ( he died you know so tell them). They are refusing to follow the exact wording of that document of what the President is to do and what the Senate is to do and THE Reps can no longer be entitled to continue to be paid for or hold any Federal Office (T-Partiers agree) So Hillary and Bernie attack all -out with a selected opponent for each before the June dead line and spend the remainder time and &$ to kick out the traitors and also sue for the return of all sums paid to each to serve the country and faithfully follow the Constitution and the oath each took in order to collect those funds. Happy Hunting...
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What foreign service creds? Just turning up to be paid by the feds and doing untold harm to the US abroad is no cred!
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I would rather that Hillary Clinton's vice presidential running mate by a young Latino or Asian politician to add more balance and diversity to the ticket.
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Bernie could never serve as VP for Clinton. One, she will never be president. Two, he has morals and standards. He would never stoop so low.
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I can guess what the author meant to do by focusing on Bernie's ignorance of the now ubiquitous MetroCard. What she doesn't understand is that makes him even more adorable to us "millenials".
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Right... that is what I want in a president who wants to enact sweeping reforms and changes - ignorance
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Ignorance in a president is just SO adorable! Especially for us millenials -
Sorry, J.
Sorry, J.
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I guess we now know Sanders hasn't used the subway in the decades after tokens. He has been to NYC, right? Maybe the limo's more comfortable...
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I love how Mr. Mook (Clinton's Campaign Manager) calied that Mr. Sanders' path to the nomination would amount to "overturning the will of the voters" by flipping super delegates. How awkward of a comment since the super delegates don't remotely reflect the will of the voters presently (e.g., Washington State)!
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HRC is about 2.5 million votes ahead of Sanders. I think that so far the super delegates fully reflect the will of the voters. Nice try Americana, no cigar.
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@Americana
What I wonder is how you can speak for the "will of the voters" when the Primaries are still in progress???
What I wonder is how you can speak for the "will of the voters" when the Primaries are still in progress???
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Sanders is a scary socialist who demeans everyone who doesn't think like he does. His diatribes against anyone who is not disenfranchised is fear-mongering. Not everyone is being trammeled upon! I mean anyone who has worked hard, who has taken pride in excelling intellectually and in contributing to society and yes, even those people who have had the temerity to succeed financially (not synonymous with the Wall Street 1%ers). A great education, fine minds, innovators and people who work ceaselessly to succeed should not be vilified. For all the people who have ignored their own potential or have complained and not enough time working I guess Bernie Sanders has given you all someone to hate...and you don't have to look in the mirror to see your own worse enemy. I've seen middle class people who work endlessly and making huge sacrifices to be the best they can be. Just because they are not troubled nor feel victimized doesn't mean they don't deserve to be represented. Bernie excludes everyone who isn't a socialistic proletariat. The worst part of it all: no one .... Especially not Bernie Sanders is ever held accountable for making good on their promises. Vilifying one group of people (the Wall Street 1%) and blaming all the ills of the world on them sounds like bitter scapegoating in its most harmless interpretation. Any candidate that blames this country's troubles on one small group of people sounds dangerous to me. Look at the precedents.
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Wow, how much did you get from the Super pacs? I'll be embarrassed to expose such ignorance.
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So obtuse. My 78 year old mother is your proverbial "anyone who has worked hard" (an elementary school teacher), "great education" (BS and MS in Education while raising 3 teenage boys in the 70's). "Bernie excludes everyone who isn't a socialistic proletariat." Evidently you need to attend one of his rallies, read his web site plank, research his amendments to laws passed during roll call voting, read what the director of the IMF said today about the vast income inequality in the developed world. I'll just ask you one question: why should my mother be paying 1/4+ of her SS and pension on Medicare Part D deductibles, doughnut hole and co-pays? The promises of ACA have not even begun to put a dent into Medicare Part D out of pocket. Thank goodness Mom has her deceased husband's UNION negotiated insurance to pick up Medicare Part A and B deductible/copays. She says most Americans don't realize that they already pay for "socialized" benefits: like your schools, fire dept, police, roads/infrastructure, etc. I guess you are one of them. Pity.
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Read any of Crazy Bernie's speeches and every time he says "1%", "bank", or "rich", substitute the word "Jew". Tell me who he sounds like
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The Oregon Democratic primary should prove interesting. Voting is by mail. The primaries are closed. How many of the multitude of young people who flock to Portland's liberal and keeping-it-weird environment will have registered as Democrats or even us mostly liberal older folks in Portland will be newly registered? Have yet to see much in the way of polls predicting the outcome, so I can't answer my own question. And, oh yes, I also hope my vote counts: for HRC.
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Bernie won in Wisconsin in spite of strict voter ID law. The voters found a way to fight back. So Oregonians are just as determined to vote for Bernie just like the badgers did. FYI I'm voting for Bernie.
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Sounds like they found a way to get IDs, despite the braying of the left that getting an ID is impossible
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Our government's primary function (to quote the preamble to the Constitution) is to establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, and to promote the general welfare.
In the real world, money, greed, religion and ideology have (among others):
-Hijacked our court system
-Created unrest among the people
-Created a bloated, inefficient military industrial complex
-Created a bloated, inefficient medical industrial complex
-Created a culture of guns
-Eroded the general welfare of the people
-Destroyed the democratic nature of elected representation (through voter suppression and gerrymandering)
As an independent voter, I take my hat off to Mr. Sanders, for having the courage to give voice to these salient issues, which affect every person living in the United States. The groundswell of support for Mr. Sanders corroborates the fact that many voters share his vision.
Here's my concern. By definition, the majority of USA voters reside around the center of the political spectrum. History suggests that far right or far left candidates simple can't get elected in a general election, and Mr. Sanders is the farthest left candidate (according to a recent study) in US history. While it is tempting to vote with my heart (Sanders), my head (Clinton) says not to put the SCOTUS at risk. In the general, I will gladly vote for either candidate.
In the real world, money, greed, religion and ideology have (among others):
-Hijacked our court system
-Created unrest among the people
-Created a bloated, inefficient military industrial complex
-Created a bloated, inefficient medical industrial complex
-Created a culture of guns
-Eroded the general welfare of the people
-Destroyed the democratic nature of elected representation (through voter suppression and gerrymandering)
As an independent voter, I take my hat off to Mr. Sanders, for having the courage to give voice to these salient issues, which affect every person living in the United States. The groundswell of support for Mr. Sanders corroborates the fact that many voters share his vision.
Here's my concern. By definition, the majority of USA voters reside around the center of the political spectrum. History suggests that far right or far left candidates simple can't get elected in a general election, and Mr. Sanders is the farthest left candidate (according to a recent study) in US history. While it is tempting to vote with my heart (Sanders), my head (Clinton) says not to put the SCOTUS at risk. In the general, I will gladly vote for either candidate.
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The Clinton-bashing comments from Democrats on this thread are truly frightening. OF COURSE she has made her share of bad choices, especially the Iraq war. But her flaws have made you utterly blind to her considerable abilities and experience.
If Clinton is the nominee, it sounds like we will have lots of Dems folding their arms, stamping their feet, pouting, and refusing to vote for her. Well good for you, it’s McGovern redux.
As for perfect Bernie, Senator from that huge state of Vermont, population 650k, a man who I do like a lot -- check out his record on gun control. Guess what? He’s not perfect either.
If Clinton is the nominee, it sounds like we will have lots of Dems folding their arms, stamping their feet, pouting, and refusing to vote for her. Well good for you, it’s McGovern redux.
As for perfect Bernie, Senator from that huge state of Vermont, population 650k, a man who I do like a lot -- check out his record on gun control. Guess what? He’s not perfect either.
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On the bright side, depending on who the Republican candidate is, I recently read an interesting article that even a Red state like Mississippi would come close to turning blue with Clinton on the Democratic ticket. She is a centrist, has minority support, and a long record of competence and knowledge.
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One issue to disregard his capability as a leader? Kind of a shallow defense for a corrupt Hillary.
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Interesting point. But to be quite honest, I'm not fully convinced all the Clinton-bashing comments are from Democrats...
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Sanders is not a "populist" as the NYT chooses to label him, but a fair realistic, and the NYT needs to stop writing his aspirations are bonkers and impossible.
There is no reason for this country to spend over half its budget into the Military-Industrial complex, except of course to make some corrupt people obscenely rich.
The current military expenses of this country are higher than those of the next nine nations combined, so to cut it down 20% or 30% will still leave way ahead of any other country, and with that money an honest leader (right now I do not know of any other closer to that than Bernie Sanders) can fix the crumbling infrastructure of this country and provide healthcare and higher education to all, just like the best countries in the World, such as Finland, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Canada, New Zealand, Iceland and many others have been providing already for may years because their political systems do not approve of the exploitation of their people.
There is no reason for this country to spend over half its budget into the Military-Industrial complex, except of course to make some corrupt people obscenely rich.
The current military expenses of this country are higher than those of the next nine nations combined, so to cut it down 20% or 30% will still leave way ahead of any other country, and with that money an honest leader (right now I do not know of any other closer to that than Bernie Sanders) can fix the crumbling infrastructure of this country and provide healthcare and higher education to all, just like the best countries in the World, such as Finland, Germany, Sweden, Norway, Denmark, Canada, New Zealand, Iceland and many others have been providing already for may years because their political systems do not approve of the exploitation of their people.
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You name a lot of very small countries there, not sure that's a realistic comparison. Also, you fail to mention how much more in tax money from all sources will be put into effect to pay for that free college education and single payer healthcare. Although the possibility of getting those programs through even a friendly Congress is unlikely, particularly since Mr. Sanders has provided no outline/details whatsoever regarding implementation of his "visions".
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If there's something this primary season is demonstrating is that every single vote counts. Every ballot carries with it the weight of history and the feather-like properties of futures worthy of imagining. Let us hope that this same spririt of participation, devotion to ideas and enthusiastic celebration of people's right and duty to intervene as only citizens can in an electoral process, carries forward into November. Whatever your allegiances and dreams, your hopes and dissapointments go out and vote. Go out there and make the General Election one that truly matters.
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I only wish that both Clinton and Sanders would stop making this a "Me vs. him" or "Me vs. her" campaign. It makes me uncomfortable hearing either boast of winning over the other, like a game of junior varsity wrestling. This is, or should be, so much bigger than personality. This should be about the surge of popular outcry against the destruction of our environment (read fracking; read: TPP, read: big oil) and the movement toward a kinder, gentler world vision (read: progressive). Ms. Clinton constantly boasts "I am winning" rather than "We are winning" and Mr. Sanders attacks Ms. Clinton on personality vs. her horrendous Hawkish voting record and her indifference to the environment. It's not about lower case, it's all about upper. WE, the people. WE who care. WE who want to believe in a better future not dominated by corporate (read: Trump, read: Cruz) interests but by US (read: environment, education, social programs). @johanaclear
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Regarding Bernie Sanders's NYDN Interview:
Robert Reich slams the critics -- Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party establishment -- and validates Sanders's responses to questions posed by the NYDN editorial board with respect to breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks:
Robert Reich critiques the critics/supports Sanders
https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1192384144107513
The money quote:
'The criticism is bonkers. Bernie was absolutely correct when he said the President has the authority to break up the big banks under Dodd-Frank. He's repeatedly specified exactly how he'd use that Dodd-Frank authority to do so. His critics are confusing the Dodd-Frank Act with the Federal Reserve. Whether the Fed has the authority on its own to break up the biggest banks is irrelevant.'
Reich's conclusion:
'Clearly, Bernie has the Democratic establishment worried enough to try to twist his words into pretzels.'
For the sake of honesty and clarity: Well played, sir!
Robert Reich is currently Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California, Berkeley and served as Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1997.
Robert Reich slams the critics -- Hillary Clinton and the Democratic Party establishment -- and validates Sanders's responses to questions posed by the NYDN editorial board with respect to breaking up the too-big-to-fail banks:
Robert Reich critiques the critics/supports Sanders
https://www.facebook.com/RBReich/posts/1192384144107513
The money quote:
'The criticism is bonkers. Bernie was absolutely correct when he said the President has the authority to break up the big banks under Dodd-Frank. He's repeatedly specified exactly how he'd use that Dodd-Frank authority to do so. His critics are confusing the Dodd-Frank Act with the Federal Reserve. Whether the Fed has the authority on its own to break up the biggest banks is irrelevant.'
Reich's conclusion:
'Clearly, Bernie has the Democratic establishment worried enough to try to twist his words into pretzels.'
For the sake of honesty and clarity: Well played, sir!
Robert Reich is currently Chancellor's Professor of Public Policy at the Goldman School of Public Policy at the University of California, Berkeley and served as Secretary of Labor under President Bill Clinton from 1993 to 1997.
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Did you read or listen to the interview? The criticism was not just abut getting things wrong - it was also about the fact that he simply did not know and was not sure about a whole host of things.
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Bernie did not know the answers and kept giving different ones.
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Examining closely the bios of all the candidates on Wikipedia, I am less than impressed with the lack of experience, knowledge, early background, and age of Sanders. I feel that Hillary as a component of the legal entity name of Clinton is merely a crude attempt at an end run around constitutional law. As an independent thinker, I am becoming impressed with Cruz. True, he's a debate winner from his college days, but is politically well connected, very experienced in legal matters, and is not a fool. So my vote (except I've never voted) would go to Cruz.
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"As an independent thinker, I am becoming impressed with Cruz."
Let me fix that for you.
"As a conservative, right-leaning independent thinker, I am becoming impressed with Cruz."
Let me fix that for you.
"As a conservative, right-leaning independent thinker, I am becoming impressed with Cruz."
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Read Mark Haperin (of Bloomberg) on Sanders' empty slogans.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-on-bernies-nydn-interview-hillary-wo...
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-on-bernies-nydn-interview-hillary-wo...
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Yes, if Hillary were as clueless as Old Bernie, there would be hearings before congressional committees. Lyin' Trey Gowdy would be up there again, all sweaty and weird.
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=the+congressman+who+ran+the+benghaz...
https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=the+congressman+who+ran+the+benghaz...
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Bernie Sanders is the GOPs best hope of winning the White House. I like Bernie Sanders and I would love the obscenely wealthy squeezed, but he is not nearly as electable in the general election as Hillary! At this point Hillary looks strong against the GOP candidates. But if it were Bernie, they would call him a socialist revolutionary - a crazy communist etc. The center would buy it and the GOP might win. This zeal for Bernie is nice, but it should NOT get in the way of Hillary. Unfortunately, if anyone can snatch defeat from the jaws of victory it is the Democrats. So, STOP VOTING FOR BERNIE!
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Are you willfully ignorant, or just a Clinton campaign worker? Bernie polls better than Hillary against the GOP, and he has incredible enthusiasm and momentum on his side. Hillary is viewed as yesterday's news at best, and a corrupt fossil intent on maintaining the corrupt status quo at worst. She is one of the most disliked politicians in US history. Her negatives are YUUGE! Sanders has a far better chance of winning and the actually uniting this nation once again, as we do the work necessary to rebuild our infrastructure and middle class after decades of neglect under the corrupt elite of the GOP and the Democrats - which is where Hillary is from - the corrupt and disgraceful past.
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Reply to Brent.
What many of us realize is that Bernie's numbers in the Republican matchup do not reflect the massive negative onslaught of Republican attack money ( all of you who have given to Bernie in the primaries will have to budget at least 10x more to stay close to even)
We will hear more about Daniel Ortega than we have ever heard before. We will hear about Vermont's failed attempt to pass single payer.... The attacks on Bernie will drive his numbers down. I still will vote for him. I have lived through decades of meritless Republican attacks that, while false, have succeeded in driving down favorability of good Democrats, from McGovern to Clinton. Her negatives, needless to say, after decades of attacks, are alrady baked into the poll numbers.
What many of us realize is that Bernie's numbers in the Republican matchup do not reflect the massive negative onslaught of Republican attack money ( all of you who have given to Bernie in the primaries will have to budget at least 10x more to stay close to even)
We will hear more about Daniel Ortega than we have ever heard before. We will hear about Vermont's failed attempt to pass single payer.... The attacks on Bernie will drive his numbers down. I still will vote for him. I have lived through decades of meritless Republican attacks that, while false, have succeeded in driving down favorability of good Democrats, from McGovern to Clinton. Her negatives, needless to say, after decades of attacks, are alrady baked into the poll numbers.
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The American public is yearning for an honest politician. They found it in Sanders. That is why he is getting continuous small donations and will continue until it comes to the logical conclusion. No one can promise what they can deliver, because there is a monster called Congress blocking any reforms. That is why, even Clinton only says 'I cannot promise what I cannot deliver', but never promises what she can deliver. If she promises to deliver anything that would be a lie and raises the level of her untrustworthiness. Clinton says, she does not know how she can overcome the honesty issue. Here what she can do. Just release the transcripts of closed door speeches delivered to wall street banks. Sanders has shown that honest politicians do not need PACs to raise funds. Is any other politician out there who can raise funds like Sanders does? He may not accomplish everything he says, but he can appoint people to implement the existing laws effectively. Personnel is policy!
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HONEST? why is he hiding his tax returns?
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Oh please. This isn't Dreamland. Anyone with half a working grey-cell knows that there is no such thing as an "honest politician" -- regardless of the Party.
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While presidential candidates are not required to release their tax returns, I find it hypocritical for someone who hides his tax returns to keep harping on someone else's speeches. His excuse, when pressed on the issue during a CNN interview recently, is that his wife has been too busy to release them. Duh, the IRS gives out tax transcripts free of charge, all he/she has to do is to fill out a simple form.
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All it takes for a political revolution is $27 and a burning feeling.
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I decided to vote for Bernie because President Truman retired and went back to Independence Missouri and did not go around and accumulate wealth from his considerable experience. I want more people like that to hold office. Sick and tired of the pointless greed drummed in by advertising. We do need a revolution of ethics and health not only talking about only the economy which is not all that bad especially if people learn skills.
plenty of jobs cleaning up the mess we created ever since plastics become toxins in landfills if not poured into the ocean. How about some better packaging regulations of food to reduce the landfill load?
plenty of jobs cleaning up the mess we created ever since plastics become toxins in landfills if not poured into the ocean. How about some better packaging regulations of food to reduce the landfill load?
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Speaking of accumulating wealth -- why won't Bernie Sanders release his tax returns? He insists they're not very interesting, yet he refuses to release them. Could he have been accumulating wealth all these years? How very non-socialist of him.
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The single largest political problem besetting the US is the rich having bought the established politicians, both Democratic and Republican.
Dependent on campaign contributions, they dare not bite the hand that fed them and, more importantly, will feed their successors. It would be the end of their parties. Thus the President, for all his rhetoric, did to prosecute those who caused the Great Recession. Both party machines depend too much on Wall Street's campaign contributions to take it on. (GS was Obama's largest single
contributor in 2008)
The only candidates not controlled by Wall Street are Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump.
The rule of the moneyed elite ruling must come to an end.
I will vote for Mr. Sanders in the upcoming NYS primary.
Dependent on campaign contributions, they dare not bite the hand that fed them and, more importantly, will feed their successors. It would be the end of their parties. Thus the President, for all his rhetoric, did to prosecute those who caused the Great Recession. Both party machines depend too much on Wall Street's campaign contributions to take it on. (GS was Obama's largest single
contributor in 2008)
The only candidates not controlled by Wall Street are Mr. Sanders and Mr. Trump.
The rule of the moneyed elite ruling must come to an end.
I will vote for Mr. Sanders in the upcoming NYS primary.
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I hope you are registered Democrat, if you are affiliated with Independent, from what I heard, you need to register as Democrat one year before the Primary/Election. I hope I'm wrong, because is sounds like another voter suppression.
FYI. You might want to check Clinton's website. If she were as controlled by Wall Street as all you Sanders supporters seem to think, she would have no need for campaign contributions.
Why not stick to the issues and avoid the cheap-shots???
Why not stick to the issues and avoid the cheap-shots???
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This is the issue.
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Why is New York state described as Clinton's "adopted home state" but there's no mention that it's Sanders' actual native state? Although mostly evenhanded, towards the end of the article the author unfairly tries to paint Sanders, a native Brooklynite, as a provincial yokel who can't handle the New York media and doesn't know how to use the subway. Has the author considered the possibility that he said "token" as a reflex because that's actually how the subway worked when he was growing up here? He also said the cheapest way to ride the subway is to jump the turnstile, which I have no doubt he has actually done. While I'm sure Hillary Clinton can flawlessly describe the process for purchasing and using a MetroCard (heavily coached, no doubt), I would bet anything that she has ridden the subway fewer times than Bernie Sanders in her lifetime. I think the New York media should be doing a better job of pointing out who the real New Yorker is in this presidential race.
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Sanders is a token New Yorker as well, as he's lived most of his life somewhere else, since 1968 in fact, only 4 years after graduating from University of Chicago. So, 18 years through high school in NY, 4 in Chicago, 4 between NY & Vermont (where he bought a lot of land w/family in Vermont), then permanently to Vermont in 1968. He's 73 now. I'd say he's a Vermonter.
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He's 74. Born in Sept. 1941,
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74 it is...definitely a Vermonter, close to 50 years.
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Bernie Sanders is the only candidate on either side of the race with any integrity, and the only one speaking to the truth. He stands for the same ideals now as he has for his entire political career. He's the only one who truly represents the interests of the average citizen, and who carries with him/her the possibility of meaningful, progressive change. He's a genuine public servant, and he's a true Democrat (it's the party that's lost its moorings). What's the problem?
If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination I'll vote for her, but it won't be the affirmative vote I would give to Bernie. It'll be a negative vote against whoever the Republican candidate is. Hillary is a self-serving, uninspiring, power-hungry, shape-shifting, bought and sold, mendacious politician. She's the closest thing to a Republican as a Democrat could be. If she's elected, the best we can expect is business as usual. We can't afford that anymore. The country is drifting into a dangerous state of decline and destabilizing inequality. We need bold action. Bernie's prescriptions might seem extreme, but that that doesn't mean his goals are unachievable. If we aim low, then low is the best we'll get.
This election is going to be a defining moment for the country. Bernie's message is catching on. According to the polls, he has a better chance than Hillary of winning in the general election. Wouldn't it be something if a mensch like Bernie became our next president? It almost gives me hope.
If Hillary Clinton gets the nomination I'll vote for her, but it won't be the affirmative vote I would give to Bernie. It'll be a negative vote against whoever the Republican candidate is. Hillary is a self-serving, uninspiring, power-hungry, shape-shifting, bought and sold, mendacious politician. She's the closest thing to a Republican as a Democrat could be. If she's elected, the best we can expect is business as usual. We can't afford that anymore. The country is drifting into a dangerous state of decline and destabilizing inequality. We need bold action. Bernie's prescriptions might seem extreme, but that that doesn't mean his goals are unachievable. If we aim low, then low is the best we'll get.
This election is going to be a defining moment for the country. Bernie's message is catching on. According to the polls, he has a better chance than Hillary of winning in the general election. Wouldn't it be something if a mensch like Bernie became our next president? It almost gives me hope.
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Really?
The fact check sites do not support your claims of honesty or integrity.
When pushed for details, he seems to know very little about the topics he claims to be so passionate about.
He tends to repeat popular myths about trade and GLBA, although he is right about the need to raise the min wage and make college more affordable, but then Clinton, who is way more knowledgeable about all these topics is for doing that too.
Once you get past his well choreographed rhetoric, Bernie does not seem to know much.
The fact check sites do not support your claims of honesty or integrity.
When pushed for details, he seems to know very little about the topics he claims to be so passionate about.
He tends to repeat popular myths about trade and GLBA, although he is right about the need to raise the min wage and make college more affordable, but then Clinton, who is way more knowledgeable about all these topics is for doing that too.
Once you get past his well choreographed rhetoric, Bernie does not seem to know much.
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"Bernie does not seem to know much." ??? OOOOOOOOOOOH
Who voted for the Iran war ?
Who voted against the Panama Trade deal ?
Who , in the year 2013 alone ,received $3,202,013 in speech 'fees' from Wall St. banksters ?
Hillary Clinton`s accomplishments ???
Even HRC couldn`t recall any accomplishments as Sec of State (there were none). Eg
1/Adesnik, David. "Hillary Can't Name Top Accomplishment As Secretary of State." Forbes. 10 June 2014.
2/Landler, Mary and Amy Chozick. "Hillary Clinton Struggles to Define a Legacy in Progress." New York Times. 29 June 2004.
3/Politico. 2013-- even many of her most ardent defenders recognize Hillary Clinton had no signal accomplishment at the State Department to her name, no indelible peace sealed with her handshake, no war averted, no nuclear crisis defused. especially since that Kerry took on the diplomatic challenges that Clinton either couldn’t or wouldn’t—from negotiating a potentially historic nuclear deal with Iran to seeking a revived Mideast peace process.
4/ Forbes June 2014, Diane Sawyer asked Hillary Clinton a question that should’ve come as no surprise: What significant things did she accomplish during her four years as Secretary of State? What’s surprising is that Hillary didn’t even attempt to answer the question. She just changed the subject. The Washington Post reported.
Who voted for the Iran war ?
Who voted against the Panama Trade deal ?
Who , in the year 2013 alone ,received $3,202,013 in speech 'fees' from Wall St. banksters ?
Hillary Clinton`s accomplishments ???
Even HRC couldn`t recall any accomplishments as Sec of State (there were none). Eg
1/Adesnik, David. "Hillary Can't Name Top Accomplishment As Secretary of State." Forbes. 10 June 2014.
2/Landler, Mary and Amy Chozick. "Hillary Clinton Struggles to Define a Legacy in Progress." New York Times. 29 June 2004.
3/Politico. 2013-- even many of her most ardent defenders recognize Hillary Clinton had no signal accomplishment at the State Department to her name, no indelible peace sealed with her handshake, no war averted, no nuclear crisis defused. especially since that Kerry took on the diplomatic challenges that Clinton either couldn’t or wouldn’t—from negotiating a potentially historic nuclear deal with Iran to seeking a revived Mideast peace process.
4/ Forbes June 2014, Diane Sawyer asked Hillary Clinton a question that should’ve come as no surprise: What significant things did she accomplish during her four years as Secretary of State? What’s surprising is that Hillary didn’t even attempt to answer the question. She just changed the subject. The Washington Post reported.
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Both Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders have been in the public service for over thirty years:
Bernie Sanders' estimated net worth is approximately $460,000.
Hillary Clinton's estimated net worth $80,000.000.
Hillary is worth almost 180 times more than Bernie.
Who will represent average Americans? You make the call...
Bernie Sanders' estimated net worth is approximately $460,000.
Hillary Clinton's estimated net worth $80,000.000.
Hillary is worth almost 180 times more than Bernie.
Who will represent average Americans? You make the call...
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Well done Tom, well done.
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How do you know Sanders' net worth? He won't release his tax returns. Also, in the mid-1960s Sanders & his family bought 85 woodland acres in Vermont for $2,500 (it's in his public bio). And again, he won't release his tax returns, so there has to be something there he thinks will make him look very wealthy....why else is he so reticent?
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Good Point?
The point makes no real sense.
460,000 actually still makes Bernie a 1 percenter. He still makes nearly 10 times as much as the average American. His income does not qualify him to relate to poor Americans.
http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/income-rank/
The point makes no real sense.
460,000 actually still makes Bernie a 1 percenter. He still makes nearly 10 times as much as the average American. His income does not qualify him to relate to poor Americans.
http://money.cnn.com/calculator/pf/income-rank/
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Bernie is still a one-note candidate. And his one note will require You to make his changes happen. Frankly, if liberals want the changes he's proposing, why aren't you out there making it happen now?
Clinton has the total package. The so-called honesty issues were invented by the GOP and are baseless. She has all of the qualifications, not just one. She has practical solutions, where Bernie does not. Bernie has one plan, the "revolution" that you all are required to make happen, because he can't work his magic by himself.
I prefer practical experience to magic. Clinton all the way!
Clinton has the total package. The so-called honesty issues were invented by the GOP and are baseless. She has all of the qualifications, not just one. She has practical solutions, where Bernie does not. Bernie has one plan, the "revolution" that you all are required to make happen, because he can't work his magic by himself.
I prefer practical experience to magic. Clinton all the way!
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And Bernie doesn't have practical experience? After his years in the Senate, his fame for getting things through via the amendment process? His vote against the Iraq war, which the sainted Hillary supported? Her "experience" consists of getting about 3 bills passed in the Senate, flying around accumulating miles on our ticket, and a disastrous tenure as Secretary of State. Kerry and Obama are still picking up the pieces. Her failed health plan? Is that "experience?" If so, it's of the wrong kind. A woman who panders to black voters and calls their children "predators" does not constitute an honest woman in my book. Maybe you have a different definition of honesty than I do. You are one of those too shortsighted and cowardly to vote for change. JFK had dreams, FDR had dreams. Hillary, w/her banal "practicality" is stale and poisoned meat in my book.
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@hedgiemom
No offense, but your Clinton-bashing comments are so by-the-book, it really causes one to wonder if you are reading from a print-out.
Another thing. You don't hear any Black voters complain about being "pandered to", do you? --- also, maybe try re-reading that 'predator' comment in its full context.
There's always more than one definition of things.
No offense, but your Clinton-bashing comments are so by-the-book, it really causes one to wonder if you are reading from a print-out.
Another thing. You don't hear any Black voters complain about being "pandered to", do you? --- also, maybe try re-reading that 'predator' comment in its full context.
There's always more than one definition of things.
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Trust me, MANY of us are complaining. It's just that the press is not writing about it.
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Crazy Bernie's campaign has proven the GOP correct, again: if you give the fanatical leftists in the Democratic Party the chance to go even further left into full-bore Communism, they'll jump at the chance
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And you are saying that the GOP is correct? THIS GOP? Bernie is not a Communist; I suggest you brush up on your history. I taught it; trust me, Bernie is not a Commie. And that is no longer a scare word to anyone born after 1960. I grew up w/"duck and cover" and Commies under the bed. Not buying it for a minute. Bernie actually rejects full-bore Communism. Are you saying that the party that is giving us a fascist megalomaniac like Trump is rational? Are you saying that a party which gives us Ted Crud, Canada's answer to Torquemada, is rational? The party which gave us Rick Perry, Governor Goodhair, is rational? The party that blessed Wisconsin w/Scott Walker is rational? The party that gifted us w/Greg Abbott and Operation Jade Helm is rational? The party that gave us that brilliant mind, Sarah Palin, is rational? The party that gave us Mitch McConnell, obstructionist extraordinaire is rational? I'd rather have a sane anti-war socialist than an irrational fascist or carpetbomber as President. And certainly he's more rational than warhawk Hillary of the "Democratic" party today, whose greed and hubris will eventually destroy her. The arrogance and sense of entitlement possessed by this woman are awesome.
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Some Americans just don't have enough intelligence. Calling Bernie a "commie" is laughable. Even the young voters doesn't buy it anymore, so I would say to all media trolls, "get a life and start getting a good education".
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Crazy Bernie is a Communist. The loon honeymooned in Soviet Russia!!
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I will vote for whoever is nominated on the Democratic ticket. I voted for Sanders in the Michigan primary because I want there to be a spirited platform debate at the Convention, and Sanders is the only one who is being specific about crucial issues right now. Social Security and Medicare need reaffirmation against the GOP threats of privatization. The ACA needs to evolve to the single payer solution. A woman's right to choose must be protected. Higher education needs to be subsidized so that college degrees are not miring young people in decades of debt. Of course, none of this will be affordable until 1) corporations are forced to pay their fair share of taxes and 2) the defense budget is pared down to reasonable levels. Which candidate is better suited for this? Probably Hillary, but she will not address these issues unless the Party makes it clear that she must. While I am ethically in favor of a first woman President, at a time like this, where is a political good ol' boy like Lyndon Baines Johnson when you need someone to get the job done?
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To an extent, I agree w/you. Bernie actually has more of LBJ in him than you think. He's famous for his amendments to bills; that's worthy of LBJ at his finest. And LBJ could work w/the Congress of his day because everyone was pretty much interested in solving problems, not creating stalemate. I don't think he could have done much w/McConnell and the Tea Party. He'd be as much of an outsider as Bernie is--and in this corrupt and bought Congress, being an outsider is a good thing. He is able to show it to the world for the stinking mess it's become. My only point of disagreement w/you is that I don't think Hillary will work for any of the things you mentioned. She'll pay lip service during the campaign and then go back to serving Goldman Sachs. I still want to see the transcripts. You are right that she won't address those issues unless the party makes her, but DWS is the party and Payday Loan Debbie surely won't make her.
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And I want to see Sanders' tax returns, which he keeps hemming & hawing about. I'd also like to see details for the vague visions he talks about with no detail whatsoever. I'd like to know the full cost to the middle class should any of his ideas actually get passed through Congress....free college for everyone, and single payer where you technically don't pay premiums up front but you pay through taxes (income, VAT, gasoline, etc.)
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She does address these issues
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
https://www.hillaryclinton.com/issues/
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I have noticed that this article is the most trending article today, despite your leads about Cruz, Trump and Clinton. We are so hungry for news about Sanders.
Yet even here, you don't get the news. You notice that Obama beat Clinton by 17% in 2008, but not that Sanders beat her by 13.5 LAST NIGHT.
Yet even here, you don't get the news. You notice that Obama beat Clinton by 17% in 2008, but not that Sanders beat her by 13.5 LAST NIGHT.
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More likely that people just can't resist a train wreck. It's not hunger. It's morbid fascination that comes from witnessing the cult mentality run amok.
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A very small number of Wisconsin voters turned up for the primary, you realize that right? You're comparing apples to oranges here.
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Small numbers? You are very incorrect. Here is a quote: "Marshfield election officials scurried to make hundreds of additional copies of voter registration applications Tuesday afternoon because of heavy turnout at the polls.
The city clerk's office provided an extra 700 copies of the registration applications to Marshfield’s three voting sites, according to City Clerk Deb Hall."
The action was necessary, she said, because more people than expected have been voting throughout the day.
“I think this election is exceptionally high, which is great,” Hall said of voter turnout.
This was repeated throughout the state.
The city clerk's office provided an extra 700 copies of the registration applications to Marshfield’s three voting sites, according to City Clerk Deb Hall."
The action was necessary, she said, because more people than expected have been voting throughout the day.
“I think this election is exceptionally high, which is great,” Hall said of voter turnout.
This was repeated throughout the state.
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Bernie's not that smart. Check out todays Washington post.
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WP is owned by CEO of Amazon who is a good friend of Hillary. WP will jump at every opportunity it gets to denigrate Sanders. During one of the Super Tuesday's WP posted 16 articles in the space of 2 days against Bernie. As for Bernie's answers on the interview he is infact being honest and letting people know how he can do what he says. You don't need to be an expert of everything to be President. No one has a concrete plan, there is always room for change till it is done. This election is about us and the future of our planet, not Sanders or Hillary.
Clinton is all talk but no work and can easily flip after looking at a couple of polls (TPP, gay rights etc). Taking about being practical, how do we expect her to stay aloof and work against special interests while taking all campaign donations from them ?
This is our chance to elect a leader who care for people not special interests.
Clinton is all talk but no work and can easily flip after looking at a couple of polls (TPP, gay rights etc). Taking about being practical, how do we expect her to stay aloof and work against special interests while taking all campaign donations from them ?
This is our chance to elect a leader who care for people not special interests.
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Isn't Washington Post owned by Murdoch now? If so who believes what a corporate media spews?
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Sanders looks like a winner, while Hillary still has Honduras,State Department errors and Kissinger to answer for. TIP of the iceberg ?
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We can only hope!
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More like conspiracy theorist Sanders supporters. You'll recall Bernie himself in the debates saw no issues to address about Hillary. Until now, of course, when he's had some success and is hungry to get the nomination. He's a politician after all, no matter how much you think otherwise.
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Probably; I'm eager to see what the Panama papers reveal. By the way, Bernie had the foresight to predict that situation; HRC didn't. They've got hi on tape.
Don't forget her poll-rigging and anti-black statements, either. Trust me, she has not "evolved" on that issue, although people think she has. There's a sucker born every minute. I'm hoping it's the tip of the iceberg that sank the Titanic and that it destroys the Clinton machine. I don't trust Lynch to prosecute even if the FBI finds evidence; she's part of the HRC cabal.
Don't forget her poll-rigging and anti-black statements, either. Trust me, she has not "evolved" on that issue, although people think she has. There's a sucker born every minute. I'm hoping it's the tip of the iceberg that sank the Titanic and that it destroys the Clinton machine. I don't trust Lynch to prosecute even if the FBI finds evidence; she's part of the HRC cabal.
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Ms. Clinton is the personification of Wall Street, big banks and the establishments' message, "Don't upset the comfortable apple cart we are riding in." Sanders is telling us what most have suspected all along, the queen has no clothes.
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Not many of us can afford a $600.00 haircut. The amount she recently spent for her new do.
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Unfortunately, it was not worth the money. She still looks like a old woman trying desperately to be cool.
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Berrnie talks about working together to accomplish the litany of ideals he recites endlessly but his me-first, I-don't-give-a-hoot attitude about supporting the campaigns of other Democratc candidates with fundraising support, or even an endorsement is troubling. You want a revolution but you'll need a significant shift in the Senate and House in November to achieve any progress toward those noble ideals. Why would any Party leaders serving as super delegates align with Bernie when he has shown zero interest in their success? I will support Senator Sanders if he miraculously wins enough delegates via caucuses and primaries to gain the nomination. I do believe, however, that Secretary Clinton has the experience and skills to move us closer to progressive ideals than Senator Sanders ever will.
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No President has ever accomplished his entire agenda. I'd rather have one who tries than one who doesn't care and won't try. And he has no real reason to support the party; it hasn't supported him. And the progressive down-ticket candidates are supporting him. The DNC has actively tried to sabotage his campaign instead of being neutral. I wouldn't have any loyalty to it in his case, either. And a number of Democrats will ride in on his coattails but not on Hillary's pantsuit tails. If she runs, the Republicans will have a lock on everything.
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Hillary Clinton`s accomplishments ???
Even HRC couldn`t recall any accomplishments as Sec of State (there were none). Eg
1/Adesnik, David. "Hillary Can't Name Top Accomplishment As Secretary of State." Forbes. 10 June 2014.
2/ Landler, Mary and Amy Chozick. "Hillary Clinton Struggles to Define a Legacy in Progress." New York Times. 29 June 2004.
3/ Politico. 2013-- even many of her most ardent defenders recognize Hillary Clinton had no signal accomplishment at the State Department to her name, no indelible peace sealed with her handshake, no war averted, no nuclear crisis defused. especially since that Kerry took on the diplomatic challenges that Clinton either couldn’t or wouldn’t—from negotiating a potentially historic nuclear deal with Iran to seeking a revived Mideast peace process.
4/ Forbes June 2014, Diane Sawyer asked Hillary Clinton a question that should’ve come as no surprise: What significant things did she accomplish during her four years as Secretary of State? What’s surprising is that Hillary didn’t even attempt to answer the question. She just changed the subject. The Washington Post reported.
Besides staying married to a philanderer and living in the WH , HRC accomplishment is being just another shill for Wall St & AIPAC.
Even HRC couldn`t recall any accomplishments as Sec of State (there were none). Eg
1/Adesnik, David. "Hillary Can't Name Top Accomplishment As Secretary of State." Forbes. 10 June 2014.
2/ Landler, Mary and Amy Chozick. "Hillary Clinton Struggles to Define a Legacy in Progress." New York Times. 29 June 2004.
3/ Politico. 2013-- even many of her most ardent defenders recognize Hillary Clinton had no signal accomplishment at the State Department to her name, no indelible peace sealed with her handshake, no war averted, no nuclear crisis defused. especially since that Kerry took on the diplomatic challenges that Clinton either couldn’t or wouldn’t—from negotiating a potentially historic nuclear deal with Iran to seeking a revived Mideast peace process.
4/ Forbes June 2014, Diane Sawyer asked Hillary Clinton a question that should’ve come as no surprise: What significant things did she accomplish during her four years as Secretary of State? What’s surprising is that Hillary didn’t even attempt to answer the question. She just changed the subject. The Washington Post reported.
Besides staying married to a philanderer and living in the WH , HRC accomplishment is being just another shill for Wall St & AIPAC.
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So the theme of the Clinton campaign is that Sanders is disqualified. This will be repeated often in mainstream media. Clinton is disqualified based on her vote for the Iraq invasion. Results were millions killed, injured, and forced to leave their homes. Plus the toll on US military and the financial cost to taxpayers. There should be accountability for politicians who exercise such bad
judgement, whatever their reasons.
judgement, whatever their reasons.
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Bernie Sanders voted for the extension of the Patriot Act. He also defends his position that gun manufacturers should have immunity from lawsuits.
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He also has a D- rating from the NRA and voted against the Iraq War. You're reaching.
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REPLY To KEVIN R. in Brooklyn:
"The older voters go for Clinton because they've given up hope. They've uniformly decided that we can not and will not be able to affect great change. They've forgotten the civil rights movement, and the women's rights movements. They've completely forgotten about the anti-war
Movements in the 60s and they've decided that we do not need activism, we need pragmatism. Wrong."
Generalization is the death sentence of informed discourse. What Hillary Rodham says is what she happens to believe.
Where a young person puts in one hour for Bernie, a retired Boomer drops a pile of dollars into the till, often after working 20, even 30 or 40 hours a week for the campaign.
You presume much. Preach your platitudes elsewhere.
"The older voters go for Clinton because they've given up hope. They've uniformly decided that we can not and will not be able to affect great change. They've forgotten the civil rights movement, and the women's rights movements. They've completely forgotten about the anti-war
Movements in the 60s and they've decided that we do not need activism, we need pragmatism. Wrong."
Generalization is the death sentence of informed discourse. What Hillary Rodham says is what she happens to believe.
Where a young person puts in one hour for Bernie, a retired Boomer drops a pile of dollars into the till, often after working 20, even 30 or 40 hours a week for the campaign.
You presume much. Preach your platitudes elsewhere.
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I am a young person. I have donated hundreds to Bernie. I have knocked on hundreds of doors. I have made 1,000 plus phone calls for him. And quite frankly I am incredibly insulted about what you just said.
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Don't insult old people by assuming all of them support Hillary. Many old people like myself are strong supporters of Bernie Sanders. A surprising number of old people support Bernie Sanders once they get past his insistence that he's a Democratic Socialist and learn that their own social security is Democratic Socialism at its best: a government program that costs peanuts to administer fairly and unilaterally solves the former problem of severe poverty among retired people in America.
We also have time to really study performance - and that's an area where Bernie shines and Hillary has made major mistakes. Don't be ageist. Sure, we would all, despite age, rather look at eye candy but no one good looking is running from either party this election. And remember Dan Quayle, the good looking VP under George H. W. Bush? Dan was a disaster. Looks count for very little in Presidential elections - these elections are too important to people's lives to swell on gender, looks, or anything else which is trivial.
We also have time to really study performance - and that's an area where Bernie shines and Hillary has made major mistakes. Don't be ageist. Sure, we would all, despite age, rather look at eye candy but no one good looking is running from either party this election. And remember Dan Quayle, the good looking VP under George H. W. Bush? Dan was a disaster. Looks count for very little in Presidential elections - these elections are too important to people's lives to swell on gender, looks, or anything else which is trivial.
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And this retired boomer, who works part-time, both works for Bernie and dumps her hard-earned money into Bernie's campaign.
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It's Hillary for me. Sanders is too old, too socialist, and too ineffective. I would never, ever vote for him. He can't get along with anybody, his 'ideas' are unworkable in a society like ours - he's this year's McGovern. Beloved by all those who won't bother to get up to vote in the general election. And I hate those vicious, mysogynist supporters of his. I will not vote for Bernie - I don't want to get burned.
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Guess what? I will never vote for a corrupt Hillary no matter what!
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As an aging Jewish progressive (and formerly from Brooklyn to boot), I give the Sanders team credit for running a liberal nice-guy version of the Trump campaign - plenty of emotion, lots of simplistic feel-good sound-bites, and sadly lacking in complexity or nuance. I take little issue with Sanders' positions, but in a general election I deeply fear him becoming this generation's McGovern. Why do you suppose the Republicans spend all their time attacking Clinton? Mustn't it be that the aging Jewish progressive formerly from Brooklyn is exactly who they want to run against?
(Oh, and please don't repeat the saw "If people would just vote for him, he will win." I've lived in the heartland too, and it's beyond imagining that a Jewish socialist will get many votes there.)
(Oh, and please don't repeat the saw "If people would just vote for him, he will win." I've lived in the heartland too, and it's beyond imagining that a Jewish socialist will get many votes there.)
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Does being Jewish really matter so much?? -- or is it if his message?
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To Paul,
As an aging gentile progressive (although from Queens) I substantially disagree. There's no comparison between Sanders and Trump, other than maybe the emotion (even there, Trump's seems staged to me - sometimes I doubt he really believes what he's saying.) Trump is engaged in fear-mongering: "We have problems, we know who's to blame, elect me I'll teach them a lesson...blah, blah, blah. The polite word for his appeal is "authoritarian" - you and I both know the less polite word.
McGovern never had a shot - the "war" made things more divisive than even today. Despite being a highly decorated WWII vet, McGovern was painted as a traitor, and not only by Republicans. (But, all that's a topic for a another day).
Aside from what the GOP says - like a broken record - about Clinton - they've already openly called Sanders a Commie, a Commie symp, a Marxist, a crack-pot etc. But it not resonating. Maybe that's why he polls better, at least now, than Clinton against GOP possibilities.
Finally, Pres. Obama - called a Marxist with a "Kenyan" mindset who was attacked because he went to Rev. Wright's church - did very well in the American heartland. But, who knows, you may well be right. My heartland experience is with family etc. who are transplants.
As an aging gentile progressive (although from Queens) I substantially disagree. There's no comparison between Sanders and Trump, other than maybe the emotion (even there, Trump's seems staged to me - sometimes I doubt he really believes what he's saying.) Trump is engaged in fear-mongering: "We have problems, we know who's to blame, elect me I'll teach them a lesson...blah, blah, blah. The polite word for his appeal is "authoritarian" - you and I both know the less polite word.
McGovern never had a shot - the "war" made things more divisive than even today. Despite being a highly decorated WWII vet, McGovern was painted as a traitor, and not only by Republicans. (But, all that's a topic for a another day).
Aside from what the GOP says - like a broken record - about Clinton - they've already openly called Sanders a Commie, a Commie symp, a Marxist, a crack-pot etc. But it not resonating. Maybe that's why he polls better, at least now, than Clinton against GOP possibilities.
Finally, Pres. Obama - called a Marxist with a "Kenyan" mindset who was attacked because he went to Rev. Wright's church - did very well in the American heartland. But, who knows, you may well be right. My heartland experience is with family etc. who are transplants.
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Sorry, but if you think he's run a "nice guy" campaign, you've missed out on a lot. Numerous lies about endorsements, the database hacking that he is still suing the DNC about, the fraud a couple of days ago when certifying the Nevada votes, the release of the personal information of super delegates who support Clinton, the Bernie Bros.
He's anything but a "nice guy"...
He's anything but a "nice guy"...
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The Sanders-Clinton primary has accomplished one thing for sure; I will continue to support progressive causes in the future but I will never again contribute a dime to the corrupt Democratic Party, its senate nor congressional campaign committees.
Sanders is surging because he speaks for the FDR values that brought the United States what was once the highest standard of living in the world. Clinton was leading in committed delegates because she speaks for the segment of society that commit a fragment of their ill-gotten lucre to preserve their privilege. Her lead is melting like a Greenland Glacier as the people who aren't crazy enough to vote for Trump or Cruz sense a light at the end of the tunnel.
Sanders is surging because he speaks for the FDR values that brought the United States what was once the highest standard of living in the world. Clinton was leading in committed delegates because she speaks for the segment of society that commit a fragment of their ill-gotten lucre to preserve their privilege. Her lead is melting like a Greenland Glacier as the people who aren't crazy enough to vote for Trump or Cruz sense a light at the end of the tunnel.
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Melting? Really? 1,748 for Clinton vs 1,058 for Sanders in delegate count is a problem?
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Do you not even realize that it is those Democratic Senators and Congresspeople who are the only ones with the power to make any of Sanders' promises come true?
He really isn't running for dictator, as much as you people act like it.
He really isn't running for dictator, as much as you people act like it.
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It won't get my money, either. Love the way you think! Bernie will be the next FDR if elected. No President can get everything through but after a long hiatus of Republican gridlock, I bet a Democratic-leaning Congress will work w/him.
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Wisconsin: Trump Thumped; Hillary Scorched by the Bern
On to the Big Apple.
On to the Big Apple.
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This election is slowly and bizarrely coming into focus, and to me it's becoming more than a little frightening. While I support Sanders and agree with him on virtually every key issue, it seems likely that Clinton, as the establishment's choice in a super-delegate dominated party (which needs to change, or the Dems risk suffering "GOP syndrome"), will be the nominee. It is also clear that this election will be, even more than most of late, won or lost on the basis of passions stirred. No doubt the GOP and its candidates are long-practiced masters at appealing to passions, albeit destructive ones. But, nearing the halfway point of the primaries, it is also clear that Clinton, for myriad reasons, is simply unable to stir the passions of voters, particularly independents. Her wins thus far have come almost entirely in states virtually certain to turn red in November, and in Wisconsin's open primary the telling stat was her poor showing among independents. Cruz stirs the passions of his base, frighteningly so, as does Trump. No moderate stands a chance at the GOP bid. My concern is that, as capable a technocrat as she may be, Clinton will bring a knife to what will undoubtedly be a gunfight (apologies for my sad pun). The Court hangs in the balance. Are those in the Democratic party establishment absolutely sure that she can win in November? Important question, because that's apparently their position.
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Excellent point.
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Have you considered the fact that not all Democratic voters are part of the "Democratic party establishment"???
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Michael - there is a simple solution to the question that you pose in your comment: Feel the Bern and help to elect Bernie Sanders. This movement is growing and any thoughtful Democrat can joing the movement.
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No, NY Times, Clinton does not have a lead of "roughly 250 pledged delegates." Most of Washington state's pledged delegates are apportioned in June by congressional district, even though the actual public vote has already taken place and the result determined. Given Sanders' big win there, it is likely he probably reduce her lead by at least another 2 dozen delegates, meaning you are off by about 10%.
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OK. So subtract two dozen more delegates from her lead.
Hillary is ahead by 225 pledged delegates.
And unless Bernie gets 67% of EVERY SINGLE REMAINING PRIMARY, she will maintain a lead.
Last night in his huuuuuuuuuuge victory, he got 57%.
So how is he going to get 225+ votes ahead of Hillary?
Hillary is ahead by 225 pledged delegates.
And unless Bernie gets 67% of EVERY SINGLE REMAINING PRIMARY, she will maintain a lead.
Last night in his huuuuuuuuuuge victory, he got 57%.
So how is he going to get 225+ votes ahead of Hillary?
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Caucuses are a ridiculous method. It's completely outdated and convoluted. And you are guessing in your numbers, although I doubt that your hunch of 24 extra delegates for Bernie will be enough to make a difference.
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The Primary isn't over!!
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Woe to the party hacks who give the election to Hillary Clinton in the convention. Hillary Clinton is viewed favorably by 14% of the Wisconsin Democrat voters. This narrowly beats out Ted Cruz, the Sith lord of the Tea party at 13%, as viewed by Republicans in Wisconsin.
I predict that when the hacks make their ruling, they will see empty streets around polling sites in America. Is it still a legitimate election if only 30% show up? Is that Hillary's mandate?
I predict that when the hacks make their ruling, they will see empty streets around polling sites in America. Is it still a legitimate election if only 30% show up? Is that Hillary's mandate?
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Bernie and his sexist supporters need to realize that women are allowed to vote, own property, and even work outside the home
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You cannot be a female with that much of a luxury vote mentality.
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You do realize that voters are actually determining delegates from their state for the nomination, right? Not "party hacks", but we, the people.
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If Hillary is the nominee I will vote for her. Part of me loves the idea of seeing a woman taking the oath of office. That said, she is and always has been too conservative for my beliefs. I don't believe with Bernie we will get free tuition and universal, government sponsored health care, but these are only starting points for the negotiation. We are Democrats - we know how to compromise. Someone very smart once told me, "if you start out asking for a pony you just might end up with a puppy". Hillary is telling us to settle for a goldfish.
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And Old Bernie is telling us to settle for a unicorn.
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vote for Hillary because she is a woman. excellent voting strategy. nothing sexist there. but I bet if I vote against her because she is a woman, oh well how politically incorrect would that be. oh and dems know how to compromise? you're kidding right. it's the dems way or we are all racist, sexist bigots. not allowed to think any way other than the way you want us to think.
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Bernie will run and win with Warren as VP. He will retire in 3 years and Elizabeth will be sworn in as first woman president.
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Bernie, gotta share a bit of my tax refund with you! Tip of the hat to my Eugene Debs pic-never thought I'd see the day that a fellow democratic socialist got so far. USA-I love ya.
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Why are you getting a refund?? That money belongs to Big Government, give it back!!
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@Eugene - I suspect he doesn't need it. After all, he won't answer why he's avoiding releasing his tax returns. Very Romney-like. Perhaps his wealth is also rather Romney-like? That would ruin his I'm-just-a-regular-guy image.
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Glad there's someone else out there who remembers Debs. Bernie is not our first socialist candidate and as I recall, Debs racked up a fair number of votes in far more primitive times than our own. Bernie gets lots of my Social Security check these days; in honor of FDR.
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After the NY Daily News interviews results he's probably going to wish he never pressed for next Thursday's debate.
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To Canary,
Take a look at some of the analysis of that interview. A NY journalist, Juan Gonzalez, was at the session, and was interviewed by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now. You can find it online. Nate Cohn has a NYT piece on it. Both are more in-depth an analysis than we're hearing on CNN, MSNBC etc. There are others out there also. Bottom line, some of the questions were truly unanswerable, and some of his answers, e.g. on breaking up banks, were fundamentally correct.
We're there missteps? Sure. Clinton's made a lot of them too - : e.g. that Nancy Reagan spoke out about HIV/AIDS in the 1980's when no one else was. She bumbled all over the place last weekend discussing the constitutional rights of the "unborn". One of her key positions is her "claw back" tax plan which she claims will bring back from overseas manufacturing jobs that have been lost. Have you heard her talk about it much? Probably not - it's virtually impossible to do.
Take a look at some of the analysis of that interview. A NY journalist, Juan Gonzalez, was at the session, and was interviewed by Amy Goodman on Democracy Now. You can find it online. Nate Cohn has a NYT piece on it. Both are more in-depth an analysis than we're hearing on CNN, MSNBC etc. There are others out there also. Bottom line, some of the questions were truly unanswerable, and some of his answers, e.g. on breaking up banks, were fundamentally correct.
We're there missteps? Sure. Clinton's made a lot of them too - : e.g. that Nancy Reagan spoke out about HIV/AIDS in the 1980's when no one else was. She bumbled all over the place last weekend discussing the constitutional rights of the "unborn". One of her key positions is her "claw back" tax plan which she claims will bring back from overseas manufacturing jobs that have been lost. Have you heard her talk about it much? Probably not - it's virtually impossible to do.
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I don't think so. Check out this NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/upshot/yes-bernie-sanders-knows-someth...
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Oh just admit it. Bernie couldn't answer the questions because he doesn't have any details about how he'd actually begin to effect any ideas on his platform. There's nothing out there from Sanders with details, nothing at all. Even his view on pulling back Israeli settlements, he couldn't answer what he meant by that. Give me a break.
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Hillary Clinton as President with Chuck Schumer as Majority Leader: Now there's a marriage made in Wall Street heaven!
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Several thousand Bernie supporter comments here.
NO ONE addressing or answering the simple question:
Why is he refusing to release his income tax records?
Just like Romney did?
Just like Trump is doing?
BERNIE PEOPLE -- what's the answer?
Or don't you care that Mr. Transparent isn't.
NO ONE addressing or answering the simple question:
Why is he refusing to release his income tax records?
Just like Romney did?
Just like Trump is doing?
BERNIE PEOPLE -- what's the answer?
Or don't you care that Mr. Transparent isn't.
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What is Bernie hiding??
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He has released more information about his taxes than Clinton has about the context of his speeches to Wall Street and the donations from foreign powers to the Clinton Foundation. I think you can see from what his released that he has not much $$$ from his political career.
Clearly not the 100's of millions the Clintons have received from speeches and from The Clinton Foundation
Clearly not the 100's of millions the Clintons have received from speeches and from The Clinton Foundation
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He has until April 15th to get his taxes in like everyone else and can file for an extension. I haven't seen Hillary's, either. His old ones are probably stored in the attic somewhere and he's been a little busy. And if Romney and Trump can hide theirs, why can't Bernie? It's a draw. The transcripts vs the tax records. Woo-hoo!
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Bernie has won something like 147 delegates to Hilary's 67 during his recent winning streak or nearly 70% of the total. I don't know why the media continue to suggest that his winning 56% of remaining delegates seems unlikely. It will be tough, but is clearly doable. All of his winning is
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Except to overtake her lead, he needs to win 67% of EVERY primary going forward.
He marshaled 57% last night.
You see the difference, yes? It not only means he cannot afford to lose one primary, he has to win bigger than he ever has before, including the last two weeks.
He marshaled 57% last night.
You see the difference, yes? It not only means he cannot afford to lose one primary, he has to win bigger than he ever has before, including the last two weeks.
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Not true at all. This is exactly the type of misinformation that seems to be undermining his campaign. Of the total delegates left he needs about 56-58% to catch Clinton in pledged delegates prior to the convention. That does not bring him an automatic nomination on the first ballot, but it ties him with Clinton which throws the convention open. The super delegates can and, if past precedent is any indication, will rearrange according to how people vote in their states. Also, the idea that he has to win every state by a certain margin is just silly. He can lose some and win other big. If he wins CA by a lot, for example, he can lose a number of other states and still come out ahead of Clinton in delegates. It's just math, so don't let the media fool you.
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I would like to encourage New York voters to take the leap. Don't be afraid. We have been told by Republicans so often these past 40 years that we can't have what we need and what we want. Not the good-paying jobs, not the higher education we need to survive and thrive in the New Economy, not the affordable and seamless, easy-to-access healthcare, not the clean energy that will help keep our planet hospitable, not the respect for our rights to plan our families and marry the ones we love, and not more safety from random gun violence. Our voices haven't been heard for so long, we might feel ashamed to ask for "too much," and more comfortable asking for just a little. Please don't. Those who already had way too much won't stop rigging the system to get even more. This is our time and our government. It's time for our values, our needs and wants. our children's future to come first. Please vote for Senator Sanders to raise our voices and work for us.
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People understand Sanders' plain language and trust him. He is authentic and knows who he is and that is what resonates with his supporters.
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His red face and his finger jabbing bother me. So angry. So old.
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I don't trust him at all. I have never heard of Senator Sanders until he made a run for the White House. He is not even a Democrat. I follow politics very closely for all of my adult life. I have never heard him connected to any major legislation to move this country forward. Why these young people think that this old gentlemen can get things done...when his record doesn't indicate that perplexes me.
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Hello, RML: If you can use Wikipedia, look up Bernie and Hillary. Bernie has never joined the Democratic Party because it's too far to the right. He votes with Democrats and his vote was essential to help Obama carry the Affordable Care act. He doesn't accept speaking fees from breaks and opposed banks to big to fail. He voted against invading Iraq. Hillary voted to invade Iraq and openly admitted that she failed to read the intelligence before voting to send our young men and women into battle to die and be maimed. When I read that, I was so ashamed of her as a woman, and an unethical person who was not carrying out the responsibilities of her oath of office to the United States Senate from New York. Learn more about these candidates and then you may realize that the reasons you support Hillary Clinton are based on inaccurate information.
Do this for all older people who are committed patriots as you are. I am also an older candidate and a woman. I would love to vote for a woman for President but I am happy to wait for an occasion when the Democratic woman running for President is the best candidate. That is not the case in this election.
Do this for all older people who are committed patriots as you are. I am also an older candidate and a woman. I would love to vote for a woman for President but I am happy to wait for an occasion when the Democratic woman running for President is the best candidate. That is not the case in this election.
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I am glad not to see the headline "SANDERS LOSES! By half a per cent!" Because he needs 57% of the rest of the primaries and such...
Of course, on NPR this morn it was said he now needs 67% here on out...he loses more everytime he wins. I hope we won't here how he can't win primaries any longer.
(I am waiting for the 1st reporter to ask Sen. Cruz if he regrets his "New York Values" tactic from early on...I would suspect Trump will be running that ad before the Sunday yakkers...)
Dem heads should beware two problems...one Clinton goes for dirt= Bernie's folk stay home, or even vote Trump. Two- she gets to a spot where legal survival calls for The 5th...if such happens AFTER the Convention, apocalypse now.
Of course, on NPR this morn it was said he now needs 67% here on out...he loses more everytime he wins. I hope we won't here how he can't win primaries any longer.
(I am waiting for the 1st reporter to ask Sen. Cruz if he regrets his "New York Values" tactic from early on...I would suspect Trump will be running that ad before the Sunday yakkers...)
Dem heads should beware two problems...one Clinton goes for dirt= Bernie's folk stay home, or even vote Trump. Two- she gets to a spot where legal survival calls for The 5th...if such happens AFTER the Convention, apocalypse now.
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"Mrs. Clinton’s defeat does not significantly dent her comfortable lead in the race for the 2,383 delegates needed to secure the Democratic nomination."
The poor, pathetic NYT's can't figure out what to do. Their guy is not winning.
The poor, pathetic NYT's can't figure out what to do. Their guy is not winning.
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I'm not sure how you can say Clinton is not winning, when she is still hundreds of delegates & millions of votes ahead. Saying Sanders is narrowing her lead would accurately state the reality.
Isn't it the Republicans who don't care about being reality-based? Who reject facts in favor of ideology? When did Democrats and Independents start following them over that fatal cliff?
Isn't it the Republicans who don't care about being reality-based? Who reject facts in favor of ideology? When did Democrats and Independents start following them over that fatal cliff?
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where is th headline,
hillary still has an uphill battle
wont find that here i guess
hillary still has an uphill battle
wont find that here i guess
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No, curiouser, it isn't a headline because's Bernie's hill is still a lot steeper than Clinton's. If he catches up, THAT will be a headline.
And if he ever spells actually out any projected path(s) for winning 270 electoral votes in November, that willl be banner headline. He isn't getting my vote until he bothers to do that. I don't care who wins in November so long as he/she/it has a (D) attached. My criterion is not perfection, but victory.
And if he ever spells actually out any projected path(s) for winning 270 electoral votes in November, that willl be banner headline. He isn't getting my vote until he bothers to do that. I don't care who wins in November so long as he/she/it has a (D) attached. My criterion is not perfection, but victory.
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Quite the celebration by the Sander's people, who continue to paint Secretary Clinton with a large, nasty brush. Their Candidate, who also attacks Secretary Clinton with the same boring diatribe-in-angry-face, cannot clearly articulate a foreign policy, promotes domestic policies that are unsustainable per most liberal economists, would raise already-struggling middle class taxes upwards of 17%, according to the same liberal economists.
Secretary Clinton has over two million more popular votes than the ideological Mr. Sanders, whose dishonesty in terms of party affiliation complete with funding, is appalling.
Secretary Clinton has over two million more popular votes than the ideological Mr. Sanders, whose dishonesty in terms of party affiliation complete with funding, is appalling.
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I trust Bernie's judgment on foreign policy. He voted correctly against the Iraq War and now a recent video of him criticizing the "trade" agreement with Panama also tells me that he exercises good judgment when it comes trade and foreign policy. he may not be as polished and wonky as Clinton, but he is honest and has made the right decisions. Clinton does not stand with the people, but rather with the corporate overlords that furthers income inequality. And his funding comes from almost entirely individual contributions of an average of $27, compared with Clinton's large donors of $2500+. Sounds pretty grassroots to me.
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Bernie's political views remind me of the views I supported as a college student in Burlington, Vermont in the 1970's. Problem is, it's 2016, I am no longer a young college student and the world has changed.
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It clearly would seem because of the democrat establishment failures in leaving many of their former supporters behind, many of those college student ideas are now very much in vogue with the electorate.
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A lot of college students in the 60s and 70s worked for peace (get out of Vietnam), women's rights, black rights, and environmental protection. I have also lived long enough to see the fruits of their activism. That means I vote for the activism of today's college students who are supporting Bernie Sanders.
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Just so you guys know, Clinton's delegate lead is not 250. It's about 210 after Wisconsin. If the NYT had updated the Washington delegates (which are currently listed on NYT's site at 25-9) to the actual total (74-27) you might have a better idea of what things are actually looking like. http://www.thegreenpapers.com/ and http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/election-2016/delegate-targets/democ... have updated totals.
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Clinton's lead in committed delegates peaked at 316 on Mar 15. It has decreased by more than 100 now. Is this because of state demographics and primary vs caucus formats, or because Sanders is catching on? Sanders's continuing trend upward in the national poll numbers suggests the latter.
I personally think Sanders stands for things that resonate with the voters--a repudiation of the deregulation/free trade mantra of the past 35 years and a less interventionist foreign policy--whereas Clinton's core positions, such as they are, are less inspiring and less in tune with the electorate.
So, while I would not have believed it a year ago, I think Sanders has a darn good chance. In horse race terms I think it's all going to come down to the last lap, the June 7 primaries.
I personally think Sanders stands for things that resonate with the voters--a repudiation of the deregulation/free trade mantra of the past 35 years and a less interventionist foreign policy--whereas Clinton's core positions, such as they are, are less inspiring and less in tune with the electorate.
So, while I would not have believed it a year ago, I think Sanders has a darn good chance. In horse race terms I think it's all going to come down to the last lap, the June 7 primaries.
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I was in Las Vegas over New Year’s. First day at blackjack, I lost $164. Next two days at the machines, I won $35. and $22. Going by Bernie math, I came out ahead by $57.
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And because you're ahead $57, you now owe an additional $493,820 in taxes. Feel the Bern!
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Ot Trump's!
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Don't let the argument that you should not let "the Perfect be the Enemy of the Good", or the constant media spin that Hillary has already won dissuade you from voting for a real Progressive candidate in the New York Primary. The Corporate media have reasons for their less than objective reporting and it is all around profit.
Bernie is not from 'Perfect' but Hillary is far from "good" and her votes and actions (such as regime change in Honduras and emulation of Kissinger as Secretary of State) have proven this time after time.
I have not voted for Hillary Clinton since her politically expedient (so she thought) vote for the Iraq War and no bogey man from the GOP can convince me to vote for a person who lacks transparency or a ethical and moral core.
Bernie is not from 'Perfect' but Hillary is far from "good" and her votes and actions (such as regime change in Honduras and emulation of Kissinger as Secretary of State) have proven this time after time.
I have not voted for Hillary Clinton since her politically expedient (so she thought) vote for the Iraq War and no bogey man from the GOP can convince me to vote for a person who lacks transparency or a ethical and moral core.
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Reading the many comments here, it is heartening to see that the months-long effort by the New York Times and other media outlets to marginalize Bernie Sanders' candidacy has been largely unsuccessful!
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Why didn't this article on Bernie's win, or an earlier version of it appear in the print edition? His win was declared by the AP early in the evening Tuesday. The only coverage of Bernie in the April 6th print edition was one paragraph in a front page article on Cruz and Trump. Trump and Cruz had full two pages on the interior A14 and A15, but nothing more than that one small paragraph on Bernie and Hillary. Your bias towards Hillary is showing.
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You know why. The NYT couldn't be more transparent about their support for Clinton and contempt for Sanders. You can bet that if Clinton had won WI by 13.5%, as Sanders did, it would be emblazoned on the front page of the print edition: "Clinton Routs Sanders in Pivotal Swing State of Wisconsin."
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The Times is hardly a neutral agent in this primary. They have a dog in this race. Their frequent selective reporting reminds me of their presumptuous coverage in the concerted campaign to sell the Iraq war.
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If you whimper like a big ole man-baby at the NY Ties coverage, you should check out Mark Halperin at Bloomberg - oh boy does he think Sanders is an empty slogan. LOL.
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-on-bernies-nydn-interview-hillary-wo...
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/halperin-on-bernies-nydn-interview-hillary-wo...
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The NY Times was one of the sales reps for that war.
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Even with the corrupt corporate DNC conspiring with Hillary to limit the debate schedule, even with the corporate owned media conspiring to limit his exposure, even with multiple pro-Hillary corporate funded Super PACs spending millions to keep him down, Bernie Sanders is NOW WINNING almost every state!
Bernie speaks to THE PEOPLE, and THE PEOPLE are now hearing him and speaking back in the voting booth...
Go Bernie!
Bernie speaks to THE PEOPLE, and THE PEOPLE are now hearing him and speaking back in the voting booth...
Go Bernie!
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Even my hardline co workers who are Republicans and Hillary blind supporters are beginning to turn around and giving me support in my campaign for Bernie. It may take time but I sure did convinced a lot of people at work and my community to vote for Bernie.
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I'm supporting Bernie Sanders because we don't know what we can accomplish unless we try. He's starting the revolution, it will be up to Elizabeth Warren, Tulsi Gabbard, Corry Booker, et al to see it through.
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Someone posted that the revolution is not going to be televised. IT is also not going to be covered in the NYT.
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The revolution will not be tweeted, Eloise.
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I'm a Sanders backer and will vote for him in the NY primary on 4/19. I support him because I agree with him on the issues he's talking about. Those things are not radical, some kind of idealistic pipe-dream, or undoable. They are in keeping with traditional Democratic Party positions, going back to at least FDR. Some are in fact things we used to have but have lost - such as free public colleges and smaller banks that are less apt to drag down the economy with them if they fail.
At the same time, I'm not anti-Clinton. I don't like her having taken those speaking fees, or her vote on Iraq, or other things that cannot be undone now. But, I also think she has heard what primary voters are saying when they opt for Sanders. I hope she "feels the Bern", so to speak.
I remain optimistic that Sanders can get the nomination. But, I'm also realistic enough to know he may not - and then what?
Cruz, Trump, Kasich or someone like Ryan or Walker in the White House ? What if a lot of those independents who are voting for Sanders sit things out? The same goes for the reverse situation. Think of the consequences if Clinton supporters don't rally to Sanders if he prevails.
Right now the GOP is looking at defeat in November. Lets keep it that way, regardless of who is the Democratic nominee.
At the same time, I'm not anti-Clinton. I don't like her having taken those speaking fees, or her vote on Iraq, or other things that cannot be undone now. But, I also think she has heard what primary voters are saying when they opt for Sanders. I hope she "feels the Bern", so to speak.
I remain optimistic that Sanders can get the nomination. But, I'm also realistic enough to know he may not - and then what?
Cruz, Trump, Kasich or someone like Ryan or Walker in the White House ? What if a lot of those independents who are voting for Sanders sit things out? The same goes for the reverse situation. Think of the consequences if Clinton supporters don't rally to Sanders if he prevails.
Right now the GOP is looking at defeat in November. Lets keep it that way, regardless of who is the Democratic nominee.
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We need to win in November to ensure a more progressive Supreme Court.
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Gosh, I am so excited about being able to soon vote for Bernie Sanders. I was thrilled at the Wisconsin vote. Here is a candidate of the common-person.
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Hillary's the Noo Yawkuh? Seriously.
I was startled, the first time I remember hearing Sanders speak, years ago, on TV. Couldn't figure out how a guy with a Brooklyn accent that thick ended up representing Vermont.
Hillary, on the other hand, alters her accent like a voice chameleon. Even the speed of her delivery, depending on how smart she thinks her audience is.
Sanders doesn't need any of his credentials authenticated, for anything. Hillary may wish to pull a shell game with labels. Doesn't fool me and apparently is fooling fewer and fewer people as this remarkable primary season continues.
The grim reality for Sander in NY is that many young potential voters will be discovering they've missed the registration deadline. I suspect the Hillary people are counting on that.
But it ain't over til it's over. And it ain't over yet.
I was startled, the first time I remember hearing Sanders speak, years ago, on TV. Couldn't figure out how a guy with a Brooklyn accent that thick ended up representing Vermont.
Hillary, on the other hand, alters her accent like a voice chameleon. Even the speed of her delivery, depending on how smart she thinks her audience is.
Sanders doesn't need any of his credentials authenticated, for anything. Hillary may wish to pull a shell game with labels. Doesn't fool me and apparently is fooling fewer and fewer people as this remarkable primary season continues.
The grim reality for Sander in NY is that many young potential voters will be discovering they've missed the registration deadline. I suspect the Hillary people are counting on that.
But it ain't over til it's over. And it ain't over yet.
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Oh, Here we go. Clinton's voice doesnt please you. Sanders has an authentic accent. Bernie is all sweetness and light, Clinton is a chameleon. Ugh. The simpleness is excruciating.
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Well, no, Kay, it goes deeper than that. Hillary is one-half of the most venal couple in American politics. She's never been a friend to women.
Experience? Was being fooled by Cheney--or afraid to stand up with the lonely group of ethical Senators--the sort of experience we want? The Iraq war wasn't just an "oops I got it wrong" moment. The blood won't come off any of those hands.
Libya? Benghazi is a distraction from the larger disaster. Hillary and her friends were eager to get a piece of that pie.
She doesn't learn from all of her vaunted experience. There's NOTHING I like about her.
Experience? Was being fooled by Cheney--or afraid to stand up with the lonely group of ethical Senators--the sort of experience we want? The Iraq war wasn't just an "oops I got it wrong" moment. The blood won't come off any of those hands.
Libya? Benghazi is a distraction from the larger disaster. Hillary and her friends were eager to get a piece of that pie.
She doesn't learn from all of her vaunted experience. There's NOTHING I like about her.
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SCA: Unless you came of political age 5 minutes ago, there were many people who were hornswoggled by the Bush administration about the Iraq War. Bernie to his credit voted against it and then made hay supporting military projects that supported the War- for the sake of the Vermont economy.
Sorry I don't buy the GOP/Matt Drudge version of history about Benghazi- they grilled Clinton for 13 hours and she made the guys on that committee look like the political hacks that they were.
She is endorsed by Planned Parenthood. You don't have to like her but you don't get to make up your own set of non-facts to shore up your non-facts.
Sorry I don't buy the GOP/Matt Drudge version of history about Benghazi- they grilled Clinton for 13 hours and she made the guys on that committee look like the political hacks that they were.
She is endorsed by Planned Parenthood. You don't have to like her but you don't get to make up your own set of non-facts to shore up your non-facts.
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I think the people in Wisconsin have lost their minds. Remember Ted Cruz also won there and won big.
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The same people who voted for Cruz by definition did not vote for Sanders. Cruz attracts strong evangelical voters. Donald Trump made a lot of unforced errors, to use a baseball term, last week.
Wisconsin progessive Democrats have been under fire from the Tea Party Republicans and Governor Scott Walker. They were looking for a Progressive Democrat with a strong progressive record and along came Bernie Sanders. They welcomed him with open arms and their votes in the primary. When people study the issues and both candidates' real histories, they often overcome their initial doubt and become Sanders' supporters. There is hope for democracy yet in America and this time for Democrats it's Bernie Sanders.
Wisconsin progessive Democrats have been under fire from the Tea Party Republicans and Governor Scott Walker. They were looking for a Progressive Democrat with a strong progressive record and along came Bernie Sanders. They welcomed him with open arms and their votes in the primary. When people study the issues and both candidates' real histories, they often overcome their initial doubt and become Sanders' supporters. There is hope for democracy yet in America and this time for Democrats it's Bernie Sanders.
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Sanders and Trump get the "we're mad as hell" at someone or something vote. Neither has a clue how to realistically solve those very problems that are making those voters angry. And both are on big ego trips.
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A couple more wins for Bernie and a Trump presidency will be assured. Susan Sarandon's revolution is near. Hallelujah!
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Boy, the Clinton supporters are particularly nasty today. Worried about something?
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Go Bernie! As to those who say Bernie is 'unprepared' or 'unrealistic"--seriously? Who correctly predicted, in 2011, that the trade deal with Panama would lead to massive tax evasion? Bernie. Who was against NAFTA and TPP and the Iraq war and the deregulation of the banks? Bernie. Who was for all those things? Hillary. It's not just that she's controlled by corporate Super-PACS and never takes a left position until it's safe (the Keystone pipeline, the 15 dollar min. wage). It's not just that she is a wealthy elite who is deeply entwined with Wall Street, Big Oil and Big Pharma, and the Prison Industry. My deepest concern is her incompetence. She is an unimaginative technocrat with a genuinely alarming track record of consistently bad decision-making, from her support for banking deregulation to her enthusiastic push to overthrow Libya's Ghaddafi. She is a person of mediocre gifts whose early choice of Bill Clinto as her spouse (another bad decision) happened to elevate her into a position far, far above her natural abilities. I earnestly hope the American people wake up in time to save us from a Clinton presidency that I believe would be disastrous for the US.
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I'm a lifelong Wyoming Republican, changing my party registration to Dem so I can vote for the man whom I believe is the last hope for a balanced American governance,as long as the war state of Reagan-to-Cheney can be put down:
http://www.wyolaramie.com/warstate.jpg
http://www.wyolaramie.com/warstate.jpg
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The New Deal or Nibbling at the Perimeter of the Old Deal?
I'm supporting Bernie Sanders.
I'm supporting Bernie Sanders.
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Yes Bernie clobbered Hillary in WI...
The Times has been touting the Super Delegates yet it CAN be a free-for-all at the convention. The race IS much closer than the NYT wants to write about.
Just change the masthead already - All The News That Hillary Deems Fit To Print
The Times has been touting the Super Delegates yet it CAN be a free-for-all at the convention. The race IS much closer than the NYT wants to write about.
Just change the masthead already - All The News That Hillary Deems Fit To Print
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Tell us more, Amy Chozick, about "Mr. Sanders's brand of economic populism". Even when Bernie demonstrates widespread support in a primary of a large, highly educated state, the reporter assigned to this gives us, once again, pro-Hillary spin. Amy Chozick and Patrick Healy seem to be as determined to undermine democratic expression as Katherine Harris of FL was in 2000 or, more recently, Kim Davis of KY. It really is that extreme. How many tens of thousands of frustrated NYT readers have already commented to this effect?
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You do know that A. Kim Davis is not a national politician and only holds a very minor paperwork office in a tiny Kentucky village and B. Kim Davis is a registered DEMOCRAT.
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@Concerned - Well, she is but for convenience only, to get her job.
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So, I haven't been able to square this circle: if Bernie is running a positive, issues based campaign, why does this feel like a "Shame on you, Hillary" (actual words from one of his surrogates) campaign?
That's pretty much the message i get while reading the 1000 pro Bernie posts here.
That's pretty much the message i get while reading the 1000 pro Bernie posts here.
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Because, as thousands and millions of people can understand, Hillary was on the Wrong side of so many of these issues yet passes herself off as one of 'us'. Sorry Miss Clinton, but you can only fool some of the people some of the time.
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Bernie's message is powerful and his fundraising ability is amazing. He's going to be a great VP pick for the ticket if he'll accept -- he really owes it to the political party he so recently joined.
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Sanders supporters are not voting for Sanders to be their policy wonk, their legislator-in-chief. They are not disturbed by the lack of detail and nuance in his positions. Most are realistic about the dim prospects of immediately achieving anything he advocates. They think in terms of years, even years and years, not the first 100 days. They expect, even look forward to further electoral battles. Sanders, himself, is honest about the fact that no President alone can accomplish the goals he sets forth. Sanders supporters are voting for Sanders because they are convinced he will be their sincere, committed, long-overdue advocate-in-chief. On the other hand, there's Clinton. However knowledgeable she is, there's another name for a compromised and compromising-in-advance candidate, carrying a lifetime of baggage and a vast coterie of insider friends and advisors. It's party hack.
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Sorry, but the progressive wing threw Obama to the wolves right away and left others to support him.
There is no a shred of evidence that Sanders would be supported long enough by the purists to get a new Congress. Probably more like through the first meeting with Congress- then the divorce proceedings would begin just like their "support" last time.
There is no a shred of evidence that Sanders would be supported long enough by the purists to get a new Congress. Probably more like through the first meeting with Congress- then the divorce proceedings would begin just like their "support" last time.
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based on Bernie's record, his supporters must want Post Offices in America renamed after white men
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Obama abandoned the "bully pulpit" without even assuming it, making the honorable (Harvard) mistake of believing he could negotiate with a devastated GOP in a reasonable, adult fashion out of common interest in improving the lives of the American people who had clearly and decisively spoken. He did the same time and time again, only turning back to the people when he ran for re-election. He turned health care over to Congress to craft in their good time, rather than aggressively pushing an administrative plan. Republicans dragged their heels, blew their dog whistles, and provided no votes, intent only on regaining power no matter what the cost, which we now know is Trump. Sanders will not abandon the bully pulpit. It is his goal. If he uses it, his voters will not abandon him. That is their goal.
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With Hillary, we're going to get the same old neoliberal/free trade/Wall Street/invasion mongering neocon gaggle of retreads we've been stuck with forever. The Ivy League professional class will have near exclusive access, just as now under Obama. Her good friend "Doctor" Kissinger will sit down to a fabulous White House dinner instead of staring at the bars of the prison cell he so richly deserves. Bibi Netanyahu will be back in the charmed circle, given free rein to expand the settlements. Oh so predictably, progressives and peacemakers will get the Rahm Emmanuel treatment. Embittered by the fight for the nomination, an angry President Clinton will give the Democrats who betrayed her the shortest of shrift.
Vote Sanders, New York people, the future of the Democratic Party depends on you.
Vote Sanders, New York people, the future of the Democratic Party depends on you.
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Even if by some fluke Bernie gets the nomination, then what? And, even if he won the White House, what then? Not one of his ideas would pass the House or Senate, and even if they did, I can't see States agreeing to fund tuition with money they don't have, nor can I see Wall Street paying a tax without repercussion. Prosperity for all is not free money and if Wall Street was forced to pay, the stock market would answer. Bernie's free lunch program for the youth may buy him votes, but in this day and age it can't be done.
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Bernie Sanders is a likable guy and he gets a giant Gold Star for being trustworthy.
However, he's an extremist and his supporters love to gloss over this fact. To many liberals, the likes of Cruz are "wing nuts," yet a candidate who proclaims that America has, "too many choices in deodorants," is considered a godsend.
No wonder the Libertarian Party is polling 11% and Amen for it. It's almost eligible to be included in fall Presidential debates.
I for one definitely do not want to live under Bernie's leftist statism.
However, he's an extremist and his supporters love to gloss over this fact. To many liberals, the likes of Cruz are "wing nuts," yet a candidate who proclaims that America has, "too many choices in deodorants," is considered a godsend.
No wonder the Libertarian Party is polling 11% and Amen for it. It's almost eligible to be included in fall Presidential debates.
I for one definitely do not want to live under Bernie's leftist statism.
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Have you checked the standard of living in Norway lately? Democratic socialism works, corporate dictatorship doesn't.
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You mean Norway with its colossal Sovereign Wealth Fund from oil that just feeds its welfare state? Socialism is great when there's an endless supply of other people's money.
Maybe you do, but I don't want or need the government to take care of me.
Maybe you do, but I don't want or need the government to take care of me.
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"FEEL" the Bern?.... well.....
When it comes to something as important as choosing the President of the United States, I would rather THINK with Clinton, thank you.
When it comes to something as important as choosing the President of the United States, I would rather THINK with Clinton, thank you.
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Wholeheartedly agree with you.
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Millions of Common Folks voluntarily seek out Bernie Sanders' website and send him $27.00 a pop.
To counter Bernie, Hillary arranges fund raisers with members of the .01% and raises millions at a time from them...
Who will represent the common folks?
To counter Bernie, Hillary arranges fund raisers with members of the .01% and raises millions at a time from them...
Who will represent the common folks?
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Both of them. Try seeing beyond the fact that Clinton brings more clout to bear than Sanders and you might be surprised to find there actually is more than one option available.
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In the case of Clinton, I doubt the clout you refer to is anything but pandering to her corporate donors.
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This is actually a reply to James of Atlanta who claims Clinton has "clout." Polls show that Clinton is loathed by millions, no doubt including members of Congress. Clinton clout is Clinton propaganda.
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I began the election race as a solid Bernie supporter but was then compelled to start doing my own research as the nasty vitriol of the Bernie crowd against Ms. Clinton sounded more and more like FOX News. I am now unimpressed by Bernie. His support of the NRA for me is horrendous considering that 90 Americans die every by firearms. We live in a democracy, not everyone can get what they want when they want. If Bernie had supported Ted Kennedy's immigration reform bill millions of undocumented people would now be citizens. As a Black woman I find his surrogate Cornell West appalling. You would not be able to tell the difference between West or Hannity if the topic was President Obama (Mr. Sanders must agree with West or he would put him out to pasture). He has not had to think about civil rights or any issues that impact large minority communities as he has lived in VT for 40 years. Conversely, Ms. Clinton's hawkish support of Israel and Saudi Arabia is disturbing. No easy choices in this election, at least not for me.
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As a black woman, I guess you don't care about your fellow black women and MEN who are unemployed due to those millions and millions of illegals.
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I guess you would be the first in line to fill in a job when millions of illegals are deported.
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Your response is exactly what has turned me off to Bernie Sanders. I guess I do not care about the MEN? Seriously, you know NOTHING about me. If you think illegals are "stealing" jobs from Black MEN, I suggest you go with the Trump crowd.
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Feel the burn baby! Keep fantasizing that he's irrelevant and that it's over Clinton News Network and New Clinton Times. Hillary's rich donors are tapped out, meanwhile millions of Americans are waking up to the fact that she's a plutocratic war hawk and that the election was rigged in her favor by the DNC and Wasserman and they are giving their hard earned pay to someone that doesn't bow to their elitist handlers that are enslaving Americans in a rigged economy and political system. Be afraid, were coming for you and we're taking the power back to the people.
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If this is the best Hillary can do with Democrats, she will be a disaster in the general election. No one looking for honesty and integrity will vote for Richard Nixon in a pantsuit.
Bernie is bringing new voters into the fold. If you want to win in November, Bernie is your candidate!
Bernie is bringing new voters into the fold. If you want to win in November, Bernie is your candidate!
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Most of the voters weren't Democrats. Hillary Clinton is prepared for the complicated challenges we face as a country and a planet. If you do research, you will find that Hillary and her campaign has acted and spoken with more integrity than Sanders. She knows what she is talking about, she fights effectively for decades for justice, and she cares deeply about America. I trust her. If you looked carefully beyond Republican and Putin funded sources, you would too.
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Richard Nixon in a pantsuit. Clever. Where'd you hear it, the Cruz website?
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"Most of the voters weren't Democrats." Prove it.
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Dear Bernie Sanders supporters,
Please stop lecturing us Latino and African American voters about how we need to vote for Bernie Sanders, as we surely would if we just understood the issues as well as you do. It's patronizing and condescending. Latino and African American voters don't need you to hold their hands. They know the issues that will affect them better than you ever will.
I am a Latina Bernie Sanders supporter, but I'm getting tired of the "we know best" attitude from fellow Bernie supporters. If I can give you any advise it would be to stop preaching and start listening instead. That will change hearts and minds better than anything that you can say. I know that there is real fear in my community of what a Republican presidency means for us Latinos, and God forbid, a Trump presidency. Telling people in my community to just "feel the Bern" is not going to cut it.
Please stop lecturing us Latino and African American voters about how we need to vote for Bernie Sanders, as we surely would if we just understood the issues as well as you do. It's patronizing and condescending. Latino and African American voters don't need you to hold their hands. They know the issues that will affect them better than you ever will.
I am a Latina Bernie Sanders supporter, but I'm getting tired of the "we know best" attitude from fellow Bernie supporters. If I can give you any advise it would be to stop preaching and start listening instead. That will change hearts and minds better than anything that you can say. I know that there is real fear in my community of what a Republican presidency means for us Latinos, and God forbid, a Trump presidency. Telling people in my community to just "feel the Bern" is not going to cut it.
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Yo don't have to read NYT for objective news. Here is a Spike Lee interview with Bernie Sanders, two authentic Brooklyn guys.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/bernie-sanders-interviewed-by-...
"Q: What do you have to do to get the older generation of African-American votes? You're like the new guy on the block. You've got the young Hispanic, African-American, you got it. But the older generation, black folks, they know the Clintons 20-some years.
We're doing phenomenally well with all of the young people — white, black, Latino, you name it, Asian-American. And we're getting killed, frankly, not just with older African-Americans but also older whites, older Latinos. It's the weirdest thing in the world. And what really bothers me is I spent half my life in Congress helping to lead the effort for senior citizens: We led the effort against cuts to Social Security — we want to expand Social Security; we took on the drug companies who are doing terrible things to elderly people. You know seniors are cutting their prescription drugs in half. So we have a lot of work to do in terms of reaching out to seniors, not just African-Americans, but seniors all across the board. We're figuring out how you get the message out there."
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/bernie-sanders-interviewed-by-...
"Q: What do you have to do to get the older generation of African-American votes? You're like the new guy on the block. You've got the young Hispanic, African-American, you got it. But the older generation, black folks, they know the Clintons 20-some years.
We're doing phenomenally well with all of the young people — white, black, Latino, you name it, Asian-American. And we're getting killed, frankly, not just with older African-Americans but also older whites, older Latinos. It's the weirdest thing in the world. And what really bothers me is I spent half my life in Congress helping to lead the effort for senior citizens: We led the effort against cuts to Social Security — we want to expand Social Security; we took on the drug companies who are doing terrible things to elderly people. You know seniors are cutting their prescription drugs in half. So we have a lot of work to do in terms of reaching out to seniors, not just African-Americans, but seniors all across the board. We're figuring out how you get the message out there."
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Really, really easy. Have Bernie rethink his position on illegals, and come out strongly against illegal immigration and amnesty and for E-verify and deportation.
Then he will SWEEP the election, against both parties, and be unstoppable.
Then he will SWEEP the election, against both parties, and be unstoppable.
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Hillary Clinton is ahead in this race because she won significantly in states that will never vote in a Democrat for President in the general election. The Southern States, Texas, Alabama, Mississippi, Georgia, South Carolina. Bernie Sanders on the other hand has faired well either winning or coming very close in states that matter. In Iowa, Wisconsin, Minnesota, and Colorado Sanders has won or tied. No Democrat can with the White House without these states. Mr Sanders has also won even more states if only looking at election day voting and discounting early voting. This is important, Bernie Sanders came into this campaign with no name recognition, Hillary Clinton well... In any event, when breaking down who is actually winning the Democratic primary, I believe it is important to look at who is winning the states that vote Democrat, and the states that are critical to a Democrat victory in November -- Minnesota, Colorado, Wisconsin, Iowa.
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Not one mention of impending FBI interviews with Clinton and her aides over multiple potential felonies (email)? Per Time Magazine, Washington Post and LA Times, such interviews will occur in the next few weeks, ie well before California primary and possibly before NY, NJ and PA primaries.
What super delegate wants to be tied to a potential, multiple count felon?
What super delegate wants to be tied to a potential, multiple count felon?
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Most of them, apparently. How could they all be so stupid, huh?
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2 quick comments here:
1. Mr. Sanders success at raising money vs Mrs. Clinton's: The money raised by Senator Sanders is a reflection of his overall support, i.e. lots of voters, whereas Sect'y Clinton's support represents those big donors, who traditional give money to the democrats, no matter who they field, i.e. not as many voters. Recall also that FEC vs United is about big spenders/billionaires controlling elections vs ordinary people, the later the intention of the Constitution as well as that of "one man, one vote".
2. Mrs. Clinton's seeming support of NY banks can be forgiven. She was a Senator from NY. Recall that after 9-11, there was widespread support to rebuild NY City financial institutions directly affected, as well as to give a show of support to all of NYC in general; i.e. including the banks. That she has not turned her back on those people is exemplary. (This doesn't mean reform, including downsizing, is not called for now, especially in the hedge fund (not true hedges) markets, which she is running on.)
1. Mr. Sanders success at raising money vs Mrs. Clinton's: The money raised by Senator Sanders is a reflection of his overall support, i.e. lots of voters, whereas Sect'y Clinton's support represents those big donors, who traditional give money to the democrats, no matter who they field, i.e. not as many voters. Recall also that FEC vs United is about big spenders/billionaires controlling elections vs ordinary people, the later the intention of the Constitution as well as that of "one man, one vote".
2. Mrs. Clinton's seeming support of NY banks can be forgiven. She was a Senator from NY. Recall that after 9-11, there was widespread support to rebuild NY City financial institutions directly affected, as well as to give a show of support to all of NYC in general; i.e. including the banks. That she has not turned her back on those people is exemplary. (This doesn't mean reform, including downsizing, is not called for now, especially in the hedge fund (not true hedges) markets, which she is running on.)
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Bernie Sanders is on a winning streak with his triumph in Wisconsin and it looks like he will take New York, provided Hillary doesn't do anything illegal to snatch delegates away from him.
At the rate Sanders is going, he may be wise to consider naming Clinton as his running mate. That way he can help her and her supporters achieve her historical goal of becoming the first female vice president.
In a presidential campaign which the Democrats should have been able to win easily in November given the self destruction of the GOP, party leaders have decided to jam one of the most divisive and unlikeable prospects in Hillary Clinton down our throats.
No, if the Democrats are truly serious about capturing the White House, nominating Clinton VP on a Bernie Sanders ticket may be the only way to win over his supporters. Feel the Bern!
At the rate Sanders is going, he may be wise to consider naming Clinton as his running mate. That way he can help her and her supporters achieve her historical goal of becoming the first female vice president.
In a presidential campaign which the Democrats should have been able to win easily in November given the self destruction of the GOP, party leaders have decided to jam one of the most divisive and unlikeable prospects in Hillary Clinton down our throats.
No, if the Democrats are truly serious about capturing the White House, nominating Clinton VP on a Bernie Sanders ticket may be the only way to win over his supporters. Feel the Bern!
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Old Bernie will not be the Democratic nominee. (Too old, too angry, too clueless.)
(He would never ask Hillary to be his running mate, even in your fantasy. That job would go to Jane. She's been on his payroll all these years, so why change horses in the middle of the stream?)
(Hillary will not ask Old Bernie to be her running mate. Too old, too angry, too clueless. She will need a young, cheerful, knowledgable running mate.)
(He would never ask Hillary to be his running mate, even in your fantasy. That job would go to Jane. She's been on his payroll all these years, so why change horses in the middle of the stream?)
(Hillary will not ask Old Bernie to be her running mate. Too old, too angry, too clueless. She will need a young, cheerful, knowledgable running mate.)
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Do you honestly think HIllary would accept playing second fiddle?
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IF he wins the primary, Sanders will chose his running mate, She may well be another woman, but is unlikely to be Hillary Clinton. I don't think he will think that she would be supportive of him or his policies. Running mates can only affect campaigns negatively when they are terrible (e.g. Sarah Palin doomed John McCain).
A running mate needs to attract additional votes and have compatible beliefs with the Presidential candidate. Hillary's beliefs and practices are not compatible with Bernie's and would cost him votes in the general election. He would be helped by an immigrant or African American or an immigrant woman.
A running mate needs to attract additional votes and have compatible beliefs with the Presidential candidate. Hillary's beliefs and practices are not compatible with Bernie's and would cost him votes in the general election. He would be helped by an immigrant or African American or an immigrant woman.
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Sanders is not on the side of the angels in many of his votes:
1) He voted repeatedly for guns and gun manufacturers including immunity from lawsuits for manufacturers. This has directly impacted Sandy Hook parents and others who have their legal options cut off. Wayne LaPierre endorsed Sanders for his first successful election, and the very next year Sanders voted twice for NRA interests. Across the years, he has cast many votes against background checks and for guns. The Brady Center endorses Hillary Clinton.
2) He voted against stem cell research (therapeutic cloning) and science in the 2000s. That was critical research that has benefited many Americans now. Sanders co-sponsored the bill that would have imprisoned scientists and medical researchers for 10 year minimum sentences and million dollar fines.
3) He voted against immigration reform in 2007.
4) He voted for the 1994 Violent Crime Control bill that his followers now castigate Clinton for.
These were consequential votes. Gun deaths alone are more than 30,000 each year, and are surpassing automobile accidents as the cause of deaths of Americans.
What all the character assassinations of Clinton miss are Sanders' bad stands on many issues, or his record of actual votes. Almost no legislative accomplishments across decades, almost no endorsements from his fellow legislators.
1) He voted repeatedly for guns and gun manufacturers including immunity from lawsuits for manufacturers. This has directly impacted Sandy Hook parents and others who have their legal options cut off. Wayne LaPierre endorsed Sanders for his first successful election, and the very next year Sanders voted twice for NRA interests. Across the years, he has cast many votes against background checks and for guns. The Brady Center endorses Hillary Clinton.
2) He voted against stem cell research (therapeutic cloning) and science in the 2000s. That was critical research that has benefited many Americans now. Sanders co-sponsored the bill that would have imprisoned scientists and medical researchers for 10 year minimum sentences and million dollar fines.
3) He voted against immigration reform in 2007.
4) He voted for the 1994 Violent Crime Control bill that his followers now castigate Clinton for.
These were consequential votes. Gun deaths alone are more than 30,000 each year, and are surpassing automobile accidents as the cause of deaths of Americans.
What all the character assassinations of Clinton miss are Sanders' bad stands on many issues, or his record of actual votes. Almost no legislative accomplishments across decades, almost no endorsements from his fellow legislators.
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The first thing Bernie Sanders should do when he takes the Oval Office, is to work with the American People to disband both corrupt political parties who are beholden to corporate interests and doing their very best to usurp the will of the people...
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The President of the United States has no such power to "disband" any political party.
Really, I am ashamed of you that you even think that. Imagine what a President YOU DO NOT LIKE would do with that power.
Do you even believe in democracy? or should the President rule us like a king or a tyrant?
Really, I am ashamed of you that you even think that. Imagine what a President YOU DO NOT LIKE would do with that power.
Do you even believe in democracy? or should the President rule us like a king or a tyrant?
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I am with Hillary. It's that simple.
I can't believe all the vitriol I am reading in these comments. If you want to follow the Republicans mud-slinging, "trumped-up" nonsense about Hillary's lack of honesty and her so-called "deviousness", go right ahead. You're just playing into the Republicans' hands. They don't want to run against her. Hillary is without question the smartest candidate in the race. She is a straight-shooter. It's a bum rap promoted by the Republicans for the last 25 years. Stop the bashing. Vote for Hillary. She's going to win in November.
I can't believe all the vitriol I am reading in these comments. If you want to follow the Republicans mud-slinging, "trumped-up" nonsense about Hillary's lack of honesty and her so-called "deviousness", go right ahead. You're just playing into the Republicans' hands. They don't want to run against her. Hillary is without question the smartest candidate in the race. She is a straight-shooter. It's a bum rap promoted by the Republicans for the last 25 years. Stop the bashing. Vote for Hillary. She's going to win in November.
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Straight shooter? Still drinking the Clinton Kool Aid.
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Still eating the Colonel Sanders, more like.
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This does not have to be considered a setback for Clinton. Bernie has a natural constituency in a historically progressive state with decades of a Socialist Mayor of Milwaukee.
Hillary and Bernie are ultimately stronger together than either of them apart. That's the trajectory I foresee. How they join forces is up to them. That they join forces is up to us!
Many primary voters likely crossed party lines yesterday. I concluded I could not. But I know one longtime socialist who did. Not sure what her objective was. But many GOP folks may have voted for Bernie here - in an attempt to weaken Clinton.
Don't make too much of WI. Or draw unwarranted conclusions about an open primary where strategic voting certainly happened!
Hillary and Bernie are ultimately stronger together than either of them apart. That's the trajectory I foresee. How they join forces is up to them. That they join forces is up to us!
Many primary voters likely crossed party lines yesterday. I concluded I could not. But I know one longtime socialist who did. Not sure what her objective was. But many GOP folks may have voted for Bernie here - in an attempt to weaken Clinton.
Don't make too much of WI. Or draw unwarranted conclusions about an open primary where strategic voting certainly happened!
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It seems for every state Bernie wins, Clinton supporters have another excuse as to why that state is not important. It is getting tiresome folks.
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Enough. No more political operative in office. We need an outsider like Bernie Sanders as president. America has become an oligarchy of the insanely rich, whether it's high tech, oil, Wall Street, outsourcer retail franchises or the Arabian Gulf states, each of these can get government to change the rules for them. No working man ever wanted a NAFTA or a TIPP. No homeowner ever wanted to ride the roller coaster of housing market monetization. No pensioner with his savings in stocks and bonds ever wanted financial deregulation. No consumer ever wanted to be force fed asian goods by retailing monopoly franchises. No citizen ever wanted the dark influence on foreign policy of targeted Saudi charitable donations in Washington. Black, white, brown or yellow, we have all been disenfranchised by money hungry professional politicians like Hillary and Bill Clinton. We don't them again, ever. Enough.
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Look, regardless of your views, someone who has been drawing a paycheck from the US Gov for 40 years is no "outsider". That is completely ridiculous.
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Could the NYT please explain to the Sanders camp the difference between the Panama Trade Agreement- pushed by Obama- and the Panama papers. They don't seem to understand the difference. Sorry Sanders folks- this is not a scandal you can blame on Clinton. Your attempts to do so only demonstrate your hate and ignorance.
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There is only one way that Hillary Clinton will be able RE-enfranchise Democratic voters who live and die by the Bern. She will have to ask him to be her Vice President. Otherwise, a significant number of folks simply wont vote. On the other hand, If Bernie wins the nomination, to gather Clintons supporters, he could ask her to be his Secretary of State. I hear that works.
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Then we will lose to Republicans, many of whom have benn providing the votes and funding for Sanders in the primaries. The consequences to our country and planet would be really bad.
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You mean, the only way to get younger socialist-viewed voters to participate at all in the election process is to put Sanders on the ticket if he loses the nomination. Because that's what it really is. Here's a question -- how many of those now-Sanders-supporters would have been active in the process without Sanders? Voted? Voted in the past?
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Yep, and these are the growing number of voters that have felt that for several years now, the democratic party in its stupidity, has left them behind and that is why they are voting for Sanders. Life in the Washington bubble creates these situations since you never or refuse to see the changes going on outside of it.
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Mrs. Clinton's group are going to start asking specific questions about Mr. Sanders solutions.
Carful of that strategy because the same will be asked of you.
Your Country has been through enough Bushes and Clintons. As Mrs. Bush senior was heard to remark before all this started and had to retract after Jeb decided to take a run.
'Is there not another family that can do this job?'
Well, Mrs. Bush careful what you ask for.
Republicans have ended up the Trump and the Democrats with Bernie.
Carful of that strategy because the same will be asked of you.
Your Country has been through enough Bushes and Clintons. As Mrs. Bush senior was heard to remark before all this started and had to retract after Jeb decided to take a run.
'Is there not another family that can do this job?'
Well, Mrs. Bush careful what you ask for.
Republicans have ended up the Trump and the Democrats with Bernie.
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Another lie from Hillary:
"This is simply a factual dispute between the Daily News and Sanders, not a matter of opinion. "
The Daily News was wrong. Hillary copies their error claiming Bernie does not know what he is talking about. Hillary lies.
feelthebern.org
Did Bernie Sanders Botch An Interview With The Daily News? It's Not That Simple.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-daily-news_us_5704779...
"This is simply a factual dispute between the Daily News and Sanders, not a matter of opinion. "
The Daily News was wrong. Hillary copies their error claiming Bernie does not know what he is talking about. Hillary lies.
feelthebern.org
Did Bernie Sanders Botch An Interview With The Daily News? It's Not That Simple.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/bernie-sanders-daily-news_us_5704779...
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Got it all figured out, huh Christie? Must be comforting.
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Congrats to Bernie on his Wisconsin win of 11 delegates and for reaching the high-water mark of his campaign. He's been having the time of his life & he'll have a lot of great memories to take back home to Vermont this fall.
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an almost-compliment...
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New Yorkers are well aware people. Sanders should get tromped on, but this is a political year like no other. No telling what will happen.
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There's Bernie tossing the fairy dust...and, by the way, with apparent effect.
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I was around in 1972, so this is all a real nostalgia trip.
GO McGOVERN '72!
GO McGOVERN '72!
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Very similar.
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An old Wall Street trick of pushing an overvalued stock is to tell people that it has "momentum", so never mind numbers, facts, and fundamentals. It usually does not end up well.
What do you call a person who keeps promising things that he has little chance to deliver. Or worse, knows that he cannot deliver and is not preparing his homework for delivering them (as is evident from that NYDN interview)?
Inquiring minds want to know.
What do you call a person who keeps promising things that he has little chance to deliver. Or worse, knows that he cannot deliver and is not preparing his homework for delivering them (as is evident from that NYDN interview)?
Inquiring minds want to know.
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Come on NY...keep up the "Mo". My fellow Californians have been working for months to propel Bernie over the top, and we are well on our way. We Can Do This!
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And then ... Helloooo President Trump!
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Thank you Berkeley, you guys are among the top most contributors to bernie's campaign, per capita, so proud of you!
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I prefer Hillary Clinton, but would support Bernie Sanders if he gets the nomination. I'm skeptical of Bernie's chance of winning. He won 6 of the last 7 races, but the total delegate counts of these 7 states are only 288. New York (4/19 primary) alone has 291 delegates. It sounds impressive to say Bernie won 6 of the last 7 races and it is impressive. But the size of the race still counts for a lot.
Let's see how New York plays out.
Let's see how New York plays out.
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It was a truly impressive win by Sanders, yet another in a swing state that Dems MUST win. Clinton's real delegate lead, of about 200, is largely built on big wins in states that Dems never win. And as the Clinton advocates squeeze their eyes tight shut and ignore it, Sanders continues to do far better in head to head matchups in the general than does Clinton. Sanders still unknown? Kind of a dubious proposition now. No, the truth is that, while Clinton is likely to prevail in the general against either of 2 terrible choices in Trump or Cruz, each of whom would be anathema to a majority of Americans, she is also an unappealing choice with more baggage than a Ross store having a close-out sale on carry-ons.
Bernie has his flaws as well, but he is an authentic candidate who has being saying essentially the same thing for his entire political life. HRC is a cynical and coreless shapeshifter, and that is the crux of her trouble with the voters. To paraphrase JFK's immortal roast of Washington, DC, Hillary Clinton combines the charisma and charm of Mitch McConnell with the conviction and authenticity of, well...Mitch McConnell.
Right now, all are talking about the problems of the GOP, but if Bernie adds NY and PA to his win column (and have no doubt the Clintons will be pulling out the long knives of character assassination against him now), the Democratic elites like Wasserman-Schultz are going to have a heap of trouble, right here in River City.
Bernie has his flaws as well, but he is an authentic candidate who has being saying essentially the same thing for his entire political life. HRC is a cynical and coreless shapeshifter, and that is the crux of her trouble with the voters. To paraphrase JFK's immortal roast of Washington, DC, Hillary Clinton combines the charisma and charm of Mitch McConnell with the conviction and authenticity of, well...Mitch McConnell.
Right now, all are talking about the problems of the GOP, but if Bernie adds NY and PA to his win column (and have no doubt the Clintons will be pulling out the long knives of character assassination against him now), the Democratic elites like Wasserman-Schultz are going to have a heap of trouble, right here in River City.
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"Bernie has his flaws as well, but he is an authentic candidate who has being saying essentially the same thing for his entire political life."
True. Blah, blah, blah, for decades. It got the Old non-Democrat exactly nowhere. Impotent, clueless, and, as he demonstrated in the Daily News interview, LAZY.
True. Blah, blah, blah, for decades. It got the Old non-Democrat exactly nowhere. Impotent, clueless, and, as he demonstrated in the Daily News interview, LAZY.
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You mean Sanders has pulled out the knives, now fervently attacking Clinton on 2 issues that, on national TV debates, he declared were not issues at all and he wouldn't be answering questions about them. Now suddenly he thinks there's a problem. And as far as Wisconsin being an "impressive win" -- an advantage in the state of 11 delegates doesn't seem very impressive.
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Senator Sanders has said over and over, "I cannot do it alone." To pass the legislation needed to turn our country around, he needs all of us to continue working to elect intelligent, educated and progressive leaders locally, statewide and in Congress.
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He's not even a Democrat. Why would you think he can "pass the legislation needed"? Congress knows him. He hasn't accomplished anything in his many years in Congress. Why would you think they'd listen to Old Bernie if he were president?
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The problem is the Progressive habit of abandoning their guy, like they did Obama, when the actual governance part comes in.
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Amy, The senator is not "unexpectedly deft" to anyone who can see beyond the razzle dazzle sophistry of the ad-men who produce most of the stuff we hear coming out of the mouths of politicians.
What you mistake for deftness in the Senator's presentation is the really unusual appearance of honesty, straight forwardness, simplicity, and the energy which demands and drives such a presentation, Love for humanity, or if love is too strong a word compassion, a genuine concern for the Common Good. This the energy of the Heart, not the mind!
It this energy which has attracted the massive number of voters. The energy of inclusiveness is highly magnetic. It attracts everyone, not just "young white working class voters".
The Senator's presentation is not about Bernie Sanders, it is about the Principles with out which the possibility of a continuing democracy is not possible. The heart never does anything halfway. It knows the end from the beginning and strives constantly for that end. It never compromises, but takes any step forward that it can. But it doe not start with halfway measures.
Bernie has replaced before us the vision that created the Nation. This is the vision that destroyed the last effort to separate us. Make no mistake, there were no halfway measures coming from President Lincoln.
Halfwayness is the path to failure in any effort. Just ask one of the billionaires.
What you mistake for deftness in the Senator's presentation is the really unusual appearance of honesty, straight forwardness, simplicity, and the energy which demands and drives such a presentation, Love for humanity, or if love is too strong a word compassion, a genuine concern for the Common Good. This the energy of the Heart, not the mind!
It this energy which has attracted the massive number of voters. The energy of inclusiveness is highly magnetic. It attracts everyone, not just "young white working class voters".
The Senator's presentation is not about Bernie Sanders, it is about the Principles with out which the possibility of a continuing democracy is not possible. The heart never does anything halfway. It knows the end from the beginning and strives constantly for that end. It never compromises, but takes any step forward that it can. But it doe not start with halfway measures.
Bernie has replaced before us the vision that created the Nation. This is the vision that destroyed the last effort to separate us. Make no mistake, there were no halfway measures coming from President Lincoln.
Halfwayness is the path to failure in any effort. Just ask one of the billionaires.
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I don't think Hillary Clinton is dishonest - I think she tells the truth as she sees it, and I think most of her policies are at least somewhat progressive.
But I can't trust her, except in negative ways. She's used her position to enrich herself beyond all reason - the Clintons are now worth at least $100 million. Wall Street, corporations and business groups don't pay $225,000 for a speech without some expectation of favor or access - the kind of favors and access normal people will never get. She hangs out with rich folks, calls dictators like Mubarak friends. She's put herself apart from the 90 Percent.
She's said nothing substantial about reining in our national surveillance state. I don't trust her with my civil rights.
What I can trust is her stated belief in incremental progress - and that kind of trust I don't want. I want big vision to propel big effort. With Clinton's myopic vision, we would never have gotten Social Security or Medicare. Yes, I get the reality of politics and having to settle for less, but I want a leader who will at least try for the Hail Mary pass. I don't want another overly cautious Obama.
Another kind of trust I don't want is in her evident willingness to drag us deeply into unnecessary wars - Libya, Syria, Iraq.
I'm actually sorry to have to feel this way about a smart, talented woman who would make a better president than any Republican. If she's the nominee, I will vote for her. But not because I trust her.
But I can't trust her, except in negative ways. She's used her position to enrich herself beyond all reason - the Clintons are now worth at least $100 million. Wall Street, corporations and business groups don't pay $225,000 for a speech without some expectation of favor or access - the kind of favors and access normal people will never get. She hangs out with rich folks, calls dictators like Mubarak friends. She's put herself apart from the 90 Percent.
She's said nothing substantial about reining in our national surveillance state. I don't trust her with my civil rights.
What I can trust is her stated belief in incremental progress - and that kind of trust I don't want. I want big vision to propel big effort. With Clinton's myopic vision, we would never have gotten Social Security or Medicare. Yes, I get the reality of politics and having to settle for less, but I want a leader who will at least try for the Hail Mary pass. I don't want another overly cautious Obama.
Another kind of trust I don't want is in her evident willingness to drag us deeply into unnecessary wars - Libya, Syria, Iraq.
I'm actually sorry to have to feel this way about a smart, talented woman who would make a better president than any Republican. If she's the nominee, I will vote for her. But not because I trust her.
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What is disheartening about the corporate media's bias toward Clinton is the utter cynicism of it. Consider what she'd like everyone to believe: A few years ago she just woke up and said, "You know, I'm tired of being Secretary of State. I have enough frequent flyer miles built up. I think I'll just retire to the farm". Then, while hanging out on the front porch, well, lo and behold, Goldman Sachs is on the phone, and a bunch of their buddies too! "Seems they want to pay me bushels of cash to just come down and give them a talk. No strings of course! Well, I had nothing going on, and of course, I was just a Private Citizen, not running for any office, you see, so I said, well what's the harm, show me the money! Well after I made a bundle, I got kind of bored and said, you know what, I think I'll run for POTUS! That means no more speeches, cause I'm a candidate now. Please just forget about those millions I took! I really had NO IDEA that I'd be running for office again or I sure wouldn't have done that! What's that? What did I actually say in all those speeches for all that money? Oh, never mind, it's not important. Just shootin' the breeze!"
Yes, no one really believes that narrative, but the cynicism of pretending to believe, and ignoring the - at the least - unseemliness of it, is something I find very telling. Now Hillary trying to co-opt Sanders' positions (e.g. the $15 minimum wage) as if they were her ideas all along. Who is going to call her on it?
Yes, no one really believes that narrative, but the cynicism of pretending to believe, and ignoring the - at the least - unseemliness of it, is something I find very telling. Now Hillary trying to co-opt Sanders' positions (e.g. the $15 minimum wage) as if they were her ideas all along. Who is going to call her on it?
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@Contrarian - Who's going to call you on the fact that Sanders isn't being truthful here. Hillary Clinton has supported a FEDERAL minimum wage of $12.00 with an option for states to pass a higher minimum wage (which some states do already). Hillary's support of Cuomo's signing a STATE minimum wage of $15.00 is completely in line with what she has said in the past. Sanders' supporters saying otherwise are disingenuous.
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Oh, you mean just now when she is running in a presidential primary?
What good timing.
What good timing.
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if you hate your kids and grandkids, i have a perfect revenge for you
vote for hillary
thatll lern 'em
vote for hillary
thatll lern 'em
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@curiouser - You mean, vote for Sanders. Because if any of his programs manage to get passed, the amount of money that will be sucked out of your children's/grandchildren's pockets will be considerable. Oh, and your pockets too -- you say you're on a fixed income? Oh well; at least college is free, but good luck affording anything else.
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9 recommends on this?
Hillary Clinton has been a bona fide childrens advocate since before she was a mother. You'd be hard pressed to find any candidate more dedicated to your kids and grandkids.
I know, I know, doesn't fit your narrative. If that's even what that is.
Hillary Clinton has been a bona fide childrens advocate since before she was a mother. You'd be hard pressed to find any candidate more dedicated to your kids and grandkids.
I know, I know, doesn't fit your narrative. If that's even what that is.
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James, you do realize that Hillary has made boatloads of money defending child rapists, right?
I hear the McGovern comparison quite frequently. Given the rightward shift in the nation's politics during the last half-century, don't you think Dewey vs. Truman is a better comparison?
The roles are somewhat reversed but the similarities are striking. Dewey was the anointed candidate of his time in an election year that clearly favored his party. The media, such as it was, produced a blind echo-chamber of support for his election. His campaign behaved as though they were the inevitable choice. They both ignored the reality on the ground.
The opposition, despite being incumbent, were split three ways in their nomination. The eventual nominee, Truman, resonated across traditional Party territory in an honest trustworthy way. He won despite the shadow of legacy and any other larger failings. He was neither proven nor perfect. Simply genuine and hardworking.
I might mention that Nixon, disposed at the feet of Kennedy and the great victor over McGovern, was a fierce opponent to Truman even before the Korean War. Nixon was shooting for the White House long before McGovern ever came on the scene. A fact that gives lie to the favored comparison.
I don't say this as an endorsement to the current Republican Party. Just a gentle admonition against present presumption.
The roles are somewhat reversed but the similarities are striking. Dewey was the anointed candidate of his time in an election year that clearly favored his party. The media, such as it was, produced a blind echo-chamber of support for his election. His campaign behaved as though they were the inevitable choice. They both ignored the reality on the ground.
The opposition, despite being incumbent, were split three ways in their nomination. The eventual nominee, Truman, resonated across traditional Party territory in an honest trustworthy way. He won despite the shadow of legacy and any other larger failings. He was neither proven nor perfect. Simply genuine and hardworking.
I might mention that Nixon, disposed at the feet of Kennedy and the great victor over McGovern, was a fierce opponent to Truman even before the Korean War. Nixon was shooting for the White House long before McGovern ever came on the scene. A fact that gives lie to the favored comparison.
I don't say this as an endorsement to the current Republican Party. Just a gentle admonition against present presumption.
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Both Clinton and Sanders are terrific. They remind me that most of the time I believe in the greater good of mankind, which I have come to doubt after hearing so much from Trump and (even worse) Cruz. I live in Washington and it was a Sanders' landslide. I wonder how much of it was caused by the caucus process. I'm too old for all that whoop-la, my son is tired from working construction all day and raising a family alone. Both of us would have voted for Clinton if we had had the opportunity, which we didn't.
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Landslide is a bit overstating it. In Washington state, only 26,345 people voted in the Democratic primary, out of a total registered voter count of 3,973,623. Not exactly representative of the entire state. Sadly, a lot of voters ignore primary elections. Also, the delegates awarded were 25 for Sanders, 19 for Clinton.
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Hillary has been planted in the seat of power for decades... Can anyone name any examples of her good judgement or actual accomplishments?
Anyone? Anyone?
Anyone? Anyone?
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Yes. Peace settlements between Palestinans and Israel under both, reduced crime under both, increased weapons reductions under both, national medical coverage for children under Hillary, meaningul help for African Americans and other children of color in schools through research, daring advocacy, and policy work under Hillary, and more other significant accomplishments than can be written here. Do your research and you'll be voting for Hillary.
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"Women's rights are human rights". In Beijing. Expansion of FMLA. Healthcare for 911 first responders. CHIP (Children's Health Insurance Program). Most of her adulthood has been about healthcare and kids. Children's Defense Fund.
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- Voted for the Iraq War
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Those who dare, win. Way to go Bernie!!! you give me hope. what a great feeling.
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The Times reporting on the Sanders campaign has been incredibly biased since day 1, wherein you subtly trash him at every turn. This is a major journalistic failure on the part of the Times. If you don't believe this, re-read the last four paragraphs in today's Times about his victory in Wisconsin. The NY Times hates Bernie Sanders and it shows in every story you have written about him. Professional integrity is lacking in this reporting.
Looking back, how about that sub-headline "Sanders takes two states from Clinton" -they were hers and he took them from her?
Looking back, how about that sub-headline "Sanders takes two states from Clinton" -they were hers and he took them from her?
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@Glenn - Sorry, but do you ever look at the numbers, regardless of who edged out whom? It's delegate counts that matter for the nomination, and they're largely awarded proportionately on the Dem side. The "victory" in Wisconsin isn't as impactful as you'd think from the headlines. The delegates awarded were 47 Sanders, 36 Clinton. Further, Clinton is a couple hundred ahead of Sanders without counting the super delegates for either. Counting all, Clinton his more about 720 delegates ahead at this point.
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The argument that Sanders does not how to best break up the banks is hardly an issue. Did Obama know why you could not have $5 a month health care insurance and trade that in for a better better plan when you get cancer? The fact is the big banks are a tax on working families and we are forced to insure them, meaning they can borrow money as though they are the USA. We need to make them pay for that insurance. Sanders is is clear that he has accepted no bribes from Wall Street and will make them just like your local bank is forced to do, if you need insurance, buy some, don't socialize the cost of your gambles.
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The big banks were also forced by the Federal government to give mortgage loans to "disadvantaged" home buyers who could never repay them.
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Forced? Are you kidding me? Is that why they pay out those tens of millions of dollars of campaign finance money to politicians so they can be told what to do?
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Just heard Clinton says she isn’t sure Bernie is a real Democrat: “He’s a relatively new Democrat, and, in fact, I’m not even sure he is one."
It speaks rather poorly for Hillary that Democratic primary voters in many key states trust a newly minted democrat more than they trust her. How does she expect independents to trust her...
It speaks rather poorly for Hillary that Democratic primary voters in many key states trust a newly minted democrat more than they trust her. How does she expect independents to trust her...
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Its the new line of attack. Bernie is not even a democrat, I am the real democrat, wink wink. Me and my husband raised so much money for democrats, we won so many democrats to the congress. Me me me.
33 democratic states owe loyalty to Clintons, paid and bought for.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-lo...
33 democratic states owe loyalty to Clintons, paid and bought for.
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-lo...
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Funny that should pass over lips that only move when a lie is told. Hillary has turned over a new leaf.
Well, quite frankly, at this stage it would seem clearly that since she is now basically a republican in democrat clothing, I doubt now that Hillary comprehends what a real democrat represents?
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This will be the 7th presidential election in which I have been eligible to cast my vote and I just made my first campaign donation, ever. I actually trust Bernie Sanders. And I don't feel like I need deep pockets to make a meaningful contribution to his campaign. I hope that other cynical Americans feel similarly inspired.
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good on you
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If Bernie isn't a "real" Democrat, that's only because he's more "Democratish" than real Democrats.
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Just donated 3 more, months of inspired, years in fact, following Bernie for years.
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Bernie has been touting the same lines for 30 years - so i don't believe his win is personal. I think says more about where our country is. I don't think Bernie has the capacity to govern - but i do think his message is important not because he is - but because FINALLY the middle class is realizing that GOP policies and some Dem policies undermine them economically. I am hopeful for social change -maybe Hillary won't bring radical change during her time but maybe after her time.
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bush had th capacity to govern
except everything he did was wrong
id rather have someone maybe not so expert at governing, but who has good dieas for th country
except everything he did was wrong
id rather have someone maybe not so expert at governing, but who has good dieas for th country
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Basically he has been touting the same ideas for thirty years because he is essentially is an FDR democrat, not the current Republican-lite democrats that have been pulled so far to the right they have lost their way.
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Bernie's time has come because people have been hit so hard economically they are ready to listen.
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Being a radical feminist is the very reason one would NOT want Hillary "Clinton" (is that her last name, really?) as my president. She has nothing to offer that we cannot have with Bernard Sanders.
Bernard Sanders comes with a level of personal and political integrity not to be matched by Ms. Rodham, and he has certainly shown the political savvy which promises that, as our president, he will be amply capable of surrounding himself with a contingent of eminently able advisors and cabinet members.
For "feminists" to rally around Ms. Rodham simply because of her gender is preposterous.
Bernard Sanders comes with a level of personal and political integrity not to be matched by Ms. Rodham, and he has certainly shown the political savvy which promises that, as our president, he will be amply capable of surrounding himself with a contingent of eminently able advisors and cabinet members.
For "feminists" to rally around Ms. Rodham simply because of her gender is preposterous.
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Her legal last name was for decades -- and is today -- Rodham. She never legally changed it. When Bill ran for POTUS in 1992, Hillary started using "Clinton" but it was strictly as a social convenience.
It is not her legal last name.
It is not her legal last name.
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Speak for yourself. Integrity? No feminist would support a guy who refers to women fantasizing about gang rape in an essay. Republicans will have a field day with that alone. He's a creep.
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You sound as if you don't understand how much harder HRC has to work than Sanders to be considered for president. She doesn't have the luxury of being unaccommodating as a candidate.
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Senator Sanders has one theme that Amy Chozick and all of the pro-Clinton journalist have not only put on the back burner, but in the drawer below the oven - peace. Hillary is often calleda hawk or a neocon, but her "foreign affairs experience" is vastly more important than those labels. Bush/Cheney/Rumsfeld & Co. started 2 of the most devastating wars in our history, on a level of Vietnam. It was on Hillary Clinton's watch, however, that the destruction of the Middle East was plotted and put into action. And the Secretary of State applauded loudly and publicly.
The result has ruined our economy, already fragilized by the Afghan/Iraq ventures. It has killed, wounded and displaced millions. It has devastated not only the Arab world and ours, but Europe. The damage is permanent. The scars are ugly and yet the press pushes the voters to acclaim the Hillary Clinton "expertise" in foreign policy. And you may add the Ukraine adventure and the pre-bullying od Russia and China to her responsibility.
Now Hillary did not make those decisions alone. They were also the CIA/DOD/FBI plans. They were rubber stamped by Obama, our rubber stamp President (for whom I voted twice with regrets.) However, while Hillary ran around the world promoting a just cause, women's rights, her preoccupation was setting up a false image of "expertise" and preparing her candidacy.
She is not a haringer of Peace, but of War. Whether she led or followed, our result has been a folly of War. Stop her buck here.
The result has ruined our economy, already fragilized by the Afghan/Iraq ventures. It has killed, wounded and displaced millions. It has devastated not only the Arab world and ours, but Europe. The damage is permanent. The scars are ugly and yet the press pushes the voters to acclaim the Hillary Clinton "expertise" in foreign policy. And you may add the Ukraine adventure and the pre-bullying od Russia and China to her responsibility.
Now Hillary did not make those decisions alone. They were also the CIA/DOD/FBI plans. They were rubber stamped by Obama, our rubber stamp President (for whom I voted twice with regrets.) However, while Hillary ran around the world promoting a just cause, women's rights, her preoccupation was setting up a false image of "expertise" and preparing her candidacy.
She is not a haringer of Peace, but of War. Whether she led or followed, our result has been a folly of War. Stop her buck here.
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When reading these comments, it is clear to me that so many Sanders' supporters do not know how the electoral process works in this country.
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Oh, you mean, lie, rape and pillage, repeat?
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Are you talking about the Clintons?
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you don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows
bernie is the future. hillary is the past.
and the republicans are dangerous theocratic misogynist racist warmongers.
bernie is the future. hillary is the past.
and the republicans are dangerous theocratic misogynist racist warmongers.
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Oh Wisconsinites, thank you!! You've given me hope that Bernie can go all the way. Time to make another donation to help him along. I think the zeitgeist may be finally turning; time to clean up the corruption, time to clean up the environment, time to clean out the criminals, especially those in white collars.
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If these Bern Feelers trolling every web site think we members of the DNC are going to desert the only Democrat in the race, Hillary, to support the Independent Socialist based on comments and recommendations scrawled on blogs, they are deluding themselves.
Monitoring Right Wing radio, FOX "News" et al. we find it hard to discern the difference between their anti-Hillary propaganda and alleged Bern Feelers gobbledygook. Both glorify Sanders while heaping horrid accusations against Hillary. It's a tad too much, over-the-top nonsense to be perfectly honest. We Dems get it. You want us to switch from Hillary to Sanders. Here's a hard fact: 'Taint gonna happen.
Discussing this with other members of the party, we're reaching out to the remaining Supers - there are 712, Hillary has 469 - to come on board Hillary's campaign and put this notion of a socialist "revolution" to rest. A couple hundred more Supers are waiting in the wings. If necessary, they'll put Hillary over the top before we meet in Philadelphia.
We want to avoid the debacle in Cleveland when Republicans really revolt. Sanders refused to join the Democratic Party till now. Does any Sanders supporter in their right mind think that we lifelong members of the DNC are going to switch our long-held allegiance away from Hillary because Left activists, the most unreliable, fickle segment of the DNC voting bloc, college kids and grumpy old socialists, tell us to? The question's rhetorical.
DD
Manhattan
Monitoring Right Wing radio, FOX "News" et al. we find it hard to discern the difference between their anti-Hillary propaganda and alleged Bern Feelers gobbledygook. Both glorify Sanders while heaping horrid accusations against Hillary. It's a tad too much, over-the-top nonsense to be perfectly honest. We Dems get it. You want us to switch from Hillary to Sanders. Here's a hard fact: 'Taint gonna happen.
Discussing this with other members of the party, we're reaching out to the remaining Supers - there are 712, Hillary has 469 - to come on board Hillary's campaign and put this notion of a socialist "revolution" to rest. A couple hundred more Supers are waiting in the wings. If necessary, they'll put Hillary over the top before we meet in Philadelphia.
We want to avoid the debacle in Cleveland when Republicans really revolt. Sanders refused to join the Democratic Party till now. Does any Sanders supporter in their right mind think that we lifelong members of the DNC are going to switch our long-held allegiance away from Hillary because Left activists, the most unreliable, fickle segment of the DNC voting bloc, college kids and grumpy old socialists, tell us to? The question's rhetorical.
DD
Manhattan
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Well then, enjoy President Trump. We all hate Hillary!!!
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In short your rant just shows how out of touch the establishment Democrats is with are large and growing part of the population. Why does Bernie do so well with independents when compared with Hillary? What % of the population are Democrats? What % are Independents?
As of October 2014, Gallup polling found that 43% of Americans identified as Democrats and 39% as Republicans, when party "leaners" were included; those figures changed to 41% Democratic and 42% Republican after the November 2014 elections. However, an earlier 2013 Gallup survey found that 42% of Americans identified as political independents, a record high.
As of October 2014, Gallup polling found that 43% of Americans identified as Democrats and 39% as Republicans, when party "leaners" were included; those figures changed to 41% Democratic and 42% Republican after the November 2014 elections. However, an earlier 2013 Gallup survey found that 42% of Americans identified as political independents, a record high.
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"The question's rhetorical." It would be nice if you would be willing to listen to others' arguments as people should do in a democracy.
I have been a life-long Democrat. Over the last 30+ years, the party has shifted to the right and no longer represents what has been traditionally Democrat viewpoints and positions.
"Discussing this with other members of the party, we're reaching out to the remaining Supers - there are 712, Hillary has 469 - to come on board Hillary's campaign and put this notion of a socialist "revolution" to rest." That, Dennis, doesn't sound democratic at all and is part of the reason other "life-long" Democrats are tired of the party and want to see change.
I have been a life-long Democrat. Over the last 30+ years, the party has shifted to the right and no longer represents what has been traditionally Democrat viewpoints and positions.
"Discussing this with other members of the party, we're reaching out to the remaining Supers - there are 712, Hillary has 469 - to come on board Hillary's campaign and put this notion of a socialist "revolution" to rest." That, Dennis, doesn't sound democratic at all and is part of the reason other "life-long" Democrats are tired of the party and want to see change.
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Hillary Clinton is a flawed candidate with deeply disturbing political baggage going back to Bill's being Arkansas' governor. Whoever the Republicans choose as their presidential candidate will open Hillary's political pandora box and destroy her well before the November Elections.
Let us not forget the deep rooted Republican hatred of all things Clinton and expect a 24/7 slanderous attack from Republican PACs running wild with their millions.
IF the Democratic Party wants to win in November, they must choose Bernie Sanders to be their presidential candidate. Bernie has for 30-years been consistent in his message to voters while Hillary has flipped, flopped, flipped, flopped in `08, and has been selling out voters for 30 years.
Let us not forget the deep rooted Republican hatred of all things Clinton and expect a 24/7 slanderous attack from Republican PACs running wild with their millions.
IF the Democratic Party wants to win in November, they must choose Bernie Sanders to be their presidential candidate. Bernie has for 30-years been consistent in his message to voters while Hillary has flipped, flopped, flipped, flopped in `08, and has been selling out voters for 30 years.
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Not changing positions on anything in 30 years is a sign of profound integrity and stubbornness. He has opposed all military actions, all trade deals, etc. And sometimes he's been dead on right.
So is a stopped clock.
So is a stopped clock.
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Bill, how exactly has Hillary Clinton been selling out voters for 30 years? Wait, don't bother answering - it'll be as objective as your initial comment.
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Why is Sanders in this race? Democrat voters in Vermont listed truthful and trustworthy as the two most important issues that drove their vote in the primary. Those qualities are before ISIS, terrorist attacks, immigration and the economy. Sanders crushed Clifton. When was the last race for the presidency you heard those two issues driving the votes. It isn't just the emails . It is also her blame of a video for Benghazi, as well as her involvement in the decisions that lead to the deaths in Benghazi. It is also her push to attack Libya leading to the total mess that is there now. There is also Bosnia when she claimed she and her daughter had to run for shelter at the airport because they were being shot at. When reporters said nothing like that happened, and they had a video of her meeting a little girl for a welcoming ceremony on the tarmac, what was her answer? She said she made a mistake and that proved she was human. How do you mistake a little girl for someone shooting at you. There is also her claim that women should be believed when they report sexual harassment but women who crossed Bill's path report she was central in suppressing their complaints. Sanders is seen as someone truthful and trustworthy. He may be a seventy plus and a socialist but people believe him. It demonstrates that truth does count even if the political party establishments tries to push someone down our throats who is not trusted and for a large number, not even liked.
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Sanders' supporters should try to wrap their heads about one simple fact: people who do NOT support him are not disinformed. We know that Sanders' economic plans are baloney, that his rhetoric is hateful, and that socialism was the most destructive movement in modern history, killing millions and ruining entire countries. These are facts. No bloviating against Reagan (as if here relevant) or falsely representing the Scandinavian welfare state as socialist (it is not), will change these facts. I support Clinton because she is the only sane candidate in this sorry race. NYT can become Sanders' Pravda and it won't change my opinion at all.
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Tired of the worn 'Sanders still has an uphill battle' headline mantra, especially when the same isn't said about Cruz. The Daily News interview appeared adversarial with many loaded questions (except for when the interviewer asked him about being 'mayor of Vermont') a bit revealing, methinks. The popular support for his candidacy by an electorate tired of exclusive party rules and back room deals is a genuine phenomenon.
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No, no, no... You don't seem to understand.
Cruz's victory was a "breakthrough" despite winning by a lower margin than Sanders and being at a much greater delegate deficit than Sanders.
Sander's streak of mostly overwhelming wins in Wisconsin, Hawaii, Alaska, Washington, Utah, and Idaho (of which Cruz only won Wisconsin and Utah) does not "significantly dent [Clinton's] comfortable lead."
Cruz's victory was a "breakthrough" despite winning by a lower margin than Sanders and being at a much greater delegate deficit than Sanders.
Sander's streak of mostly overwhelming wins in Wisconsin, Hawaii, Alaska, Washington, Utah, and Idaho (of which Cruz only won Wisconsin and Utah) does not "significantly dent [Clinton's] comfortable lead."
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Just skimming through comments, I saw one that said if Bernie is not the candidate they will not vote for Hillary. I see that as saying you will not vote for a Democratic candidate. I am a die-hard Democrat & I want to see a Democrat in office come next January. I will vote for Bernie if he is the candidate (although I am for Hillary). I could go on & on about the differences between the Democrat candidates & the candidates on the GOP side. The thought of a Trump or almost worse a Cruz president chills me to the bone. The way these 2 think is frightening. So, the risk you take by not voting for your party because your candidate didn't get the nomination is that all of us will have Trump or Cruz as President. I don't think either one of these GOP candidates is in this election for the American people. I do feel that both Hillary & Bernie are in this to make America better & do good things for the American people. I would vote for either one of them. You are not punishing the Democrat party for not voting Democratic, you are punishing yourself. Come November, please don't make it easy for Trump or Cruz to win, please vote for the Democratic candidate. I will be do so whether it's Hillary or Bernie.
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Nope, I have had it with the Clintons. I'd rather watch the place burn down quickly with the Republicans. Dying a slow and painful death at the hands of the Democrats is just too much!
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Thomas Green must not know any actual women. Women have a lot to lose if the GOP wins. Your comment exactly says why a lot of people question the Sanders supporters - luxury non-votes are possible for this demographic.
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I mostly agree with you, IS.
I have only voted for Democratic candidates based on the history of their New Deal policies in the 1930s (less the racism that was part of the Democratic Party, except for Eleanor Roosevelt, at that time). Since the 1970s, too many Democrats compromised with the Republicans that have caused the income inequality that began then. So, I am a 67-year-old white woman, who will gladly vote for Senator Sanders.
If HRC wins, I will vote for her as the lesser of two evils; i.e., the Republicans are always much, much worse than any Democrat.
I have only voted for Democratic candidates based on the history of their New Deal policies in the 1930s (less the racism that was part of the Democratic Party, except for Eleanor Roosevelt, at that time). Since the 1970s, too many Democrats compromised with the Republicans that have caused the income inequality that began then. So, I am a 67-year-old white woman, who will gladly vote for Senator Sanders.
If HRC wins, I will vote for her as the lesser of two evils; i.e., the Republicans are always much, much worse than any Democrat.
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Anyone who supported the war in Iraq (Clinton's great achievement when she was NY senator) should be disbarred (by the people) from contesting for the next 100 yrs.
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"Wisconsin provided a friendly setting for Mr. Sanders’s brand of economic populism. Liberals made up two-thirds of the overwhelmingly white Democratic primary voters"
Congrats Bernie. Good going on friendly turf.
Next week, I am sure you will give better answers on how to actually break up banks legally, or what to do after shutting down Guantanamo. You will have more time to practice your answers, although you already had a year to rehearse your little speech and answer on your main topic
Congrats Bernie. Good going on friendly turf.
Next week, I am sure you will give better answers on how to actually break up banks legally, or what to do after shutting down Guantanamo. You will have more time to practice your answers, although you already had a year to rehearse your little speech and answer on your main topic
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and HRC will not even release the very well rehearsed transcripts of 250K speeches.
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@prof - And Bernie Sanders won't release his tax returns, calling them "not very interesting". Wanna bet?
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I've been reading the comments with dismay. Even though I'm a Bernie supporter and have
been from the beginning it strikes me that the ONLY way we're to avoid to stalemate of the late eight years, assuming that by some miracle Bernie does become our president, and is to vote out the republicans in congress. Can anyone truly imagine that Bernie could get single payer health care through this congress? No. Bernie, by himself, no matter how "inspiring" & "honest" he will still have to deal with the likes of Mitch McConnell and despite my idealism and the mandate from the millions who vote for Bernie, I doubt that's going to go down very well. No, the key to all of this is a changeover in congress.
been from the beginning it strikes me that the ONLY way we're to avoid to stalemate of the late eight years, assuming that by some miracle Bernie does become our president, and is to vote out the republicans in congress. Can anyone truly imagine that Bernie could get single payer health care through this congress? No. Bernie, by himself, no matter how "inspiring" & "honest" he will still have to deal with the likes of Mitch McConnell and despite my idealism and the mandate from the millions who vote for Bernie, I doubt that's going to go down very well. No, the key to all of this is a changeover in congress.
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Bernie’s position on trade sounds like isolationism to me and I don’t think anyone will benefit from pulling back from global trade. In this country we hear a lot about the income gap, the wealth gap, the 99% and we believe that our overall economy is better off when everyone participates and benefits from it with some degree of equity. Shouldn’t the same hold for rich and poor countries when it comes to trade? Don’t we benefit in the long-run when the economies of other countries become stronger and the people become more or less citizens of the world rather than stay isolated in one country. Either way, we are too far along to reverse the global trade imperative. It’s not a good use of our energy. Businesses are simply not going to pay higher wages in the US for the same quality of labor elsewhere.
Other than his positions on trade, and rolling back Obama care, I like what I’m hearing from Bernie Sanders. Looking forward to attending his rally in New York and seeing if I can feel the ‘Bern’
Other than his positions on trade, and rolling back Obama care, I like what I’m hearing from Bernie Sanders. Looking forward to attending his rally in New York and seeing if I can feel the ‘Bern’
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Really? I do not need your trade. I grow my own, know how to sew, find water, cook. You can have those silly iPhones. Free trade is just another word for exploitation.
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Mr. Rosenthal and the New York Time Editorial Board.
Take a look at the map of Wisconson. Its all green except Milwaukee. Bernie Sanders carried the state. Just like all the other states he has won or nearly won and Hilary Clinton has only carried the largest city just like all the cities.
When will it occur to you folks on the editorial board or perhaps I should say when are you going to admit that Hilary is not going to win the Democratic Nomination and is not going to win the election if she is nominated by the Democrats over the wishes of the people.
It is time to admit that the economic revolution under Bernie Sanders is arriving in 2016 and the there are going to be changes one way or the other.
Better that those changes happen under the leadership of Bernie Sander than Ted Cruz or Donald Trump.
Take a look at the map of Wisconson. Its all green except Milwaukee. Bernie Sanders carried the state. Just like all the other states he has won or nearly won and Hilary Clinton has only carried the largest city just like all the cities.
When will it occur to you folks on the editorial board or perhaps I should say when are you going to admit that Hilary is not going to win the Democratic Nomination and is not going to win the election if she is nominated by the Democrats over the wishes of the people.
It is time to admit that the economic revolution under Bernie Sanders is arriving in 2016 and the there are going to be changes one way or the other.
Better that those changes happen under the leadership of Bernie Sander than Ted Cruz or Donald Trump.
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More reliable to use the actual figures : 56.6% to 43.1%
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If Heraclitus is right that character is destiny, then Bernie should be our next president. The other three do not even rate.
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What a liberal feeding frenzy of berniemania I've seen in various mags lately. But saying the model of Wall Street is fraud doesn't cut it. Not knowing how you will implement your ideals doesn't cut it. That's part of the criticism I had about Obama in 2007 ,he had no idea about what's required for implementation of programs. I don't want McGovern part 2. Get with the program people. America is not ripe for revolution. It's hard enough to keep it from continuing to go backward. But go ahead then, you can dream.
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While I remain firmly grounded in reality, having volunteered twice for Obama in 2008 and 2012, I still have hope for a Sanders presidency, should it come to pass, but there are distinct differences that need to be recognized up front.
First, listen to what Sanders keeps repeating as his mantra: "We need a political revolution".
He's not referring to some sort of violent overthrow of the government, or even civil unrest in the streets, like we saw during the 60s. Rather, he's telling his supporters, "Hey, this means you don't just show up on Election Day, cast your ballot, then go back to your regular routines; it means you need to get and stay activated, and hound and cajole Congress, your state and local governments, to effect the change that we want." I'm not entirely convinced that every Bernie supporter is receiving this, but that's what will be required to advance any of the policies he's championed on his campaign.
Second, he is not the second coming of McGovern, Dukakis, McCarthy or even Stevenson. This is a different era, and the demographics are completely turned around. In the 60s, the radicals, the revolutionaries were the long-haired hippies, the outsiders, the insurgents. Today, it's the shrill reactionary conservatives who are the outsiders, trying desperately to hang onto the status quo.
Third, this is not your grandfather's socialist. Nobody under the age of 50 gives a hoot about anyone being a "socialist". it's a non-issue. This boomer is for Bernie.
First, listen to what Sanders keeps repeating as his mantra: "We need a political revolution".
He's not referring to some sort of violent overthrow of the government, or even civil unrest in the streets, like we saw during the 60s. Rather, he's telling his supporters, "Hey, this means you don't just show up on Election Day, cast your ballot, then go back to your regular routines; it means you need to get and stay activated, and hound and cajole Congress, your state and local governments, to effect the change that we want." I'm not entirely convinced that every Bernie supporter is receiving this, but that's what will be required to advance any of the policies he's championed on his campaign.
Second, he is not the second coming of McGovern, Dukakis, McCarthy or even Stevenson. This is a different era, and the demographics are completely turned around. In the 60s, the radicals, the revolutionaries were the long-haired hippies, the outsiders, the insurgents. Today, it's the shrill reactionary conservatives who are the outsiders, trying desperately to hang onto the status quo.
Third, this is not your grandfather's socialist. Nobody under the age of 50 gives a hoot about anyone being a "socialist". it's a non-issue. This boomer is for Bernie.
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You need to watch the video a few more times.
What video is that? The black and white propaganda videos from the 50s?
The Cold War is over. Time to move on.
The Cold War is over. Time to move on.
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Open at least one eye and see that the entire world is at war.
Bernie Sanders supporters rage against the NY Times because they believe Sanders is slandered in favor of Hillary, or not given as much coverage, or his wins are not given the proper headline, on and on. Yet, the NY Times comments section posts overwhelmingly favorable comments from Bernie supporters---many of which are obviously false. As an example, "I'm a 60 year old woman, a democrat, and voting for Bernie." I don't believe it. It's a 22-year-old dude in his underwear on a college campus somewhere, hoping his college loans will be forgiven. Hillary is very popular with women over 60. I don't know a single woman over 60 who doesn't want to see a woman in the White House, and they know the criticism against her is sexist. As a commenter here said, "Most of the Bernie supporters don't love Bernie, an old white guy who did nothing for his state of 600,000---they just hate Hillary."
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A 60yr old woman and a 22 year old dude in his underwear-- what is really on your mind today Ocean Blue LA?
When HRC stops dying her hair and her eyebrows, stops wearing face paint and eye contacts and privately designed clothes then I’ll voter for her.
Until then I’m going with the au natural white haired no make up eye glasses & off the rack suit wearing guy named Bernie.
When HRC stops dying her hair and her eyebrows, stops wearing face paint and eye contacts and privately designed clothes then I’ll voter for her.
Until then I’m going with the au natural white haired no make up eye glasses & off the rack suit wearing guy named Bernie.
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I'm 65, female, and voting for Senator Sanders, Democratic candidate for President because he not only has consistently championed pay equity, reproductive rights, single payer health care, voting rights, consumer protection and legislation to protect my right to know, he has engaged young women, young men, and minorities in the political revolution that is essential, continued involvement of an informed public, to create a just, equitable, healthy, housed, educated, and sustainable future for us and for our children's children.
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I'm actually a 60 year old woman from the Midwest -- a registered Democrat -- and I will not only NEVER EVER vote for Hillary Rodham Clinton, I'd vote first for Ted Cruz or write in the name of almost anyone else (or my dog) before I'd vote for her.
She is absolutely corrupt. Donald Trump is a showman and sometimes a buffoon, but he is not totally corrupt. SHE IS.
She is absolutely corrupt. Donald Trump is a showman and sometimes a buffoon, but he is not totally corrupt. SHE IS.
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Not sure if this is on purpose, but when I clicked on the Bernie video to pause it, my timing was off and I accidentally clicked on the ad prior to the video--which turned out to be for Goldman Sachs!
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Well, you have a choice. Bernie or Hillary and Ted Cruz's Goldman Sachs.
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My husband is white male, age 74. Guess what? He voted for Bernie. He has made phone calls for Bernie. We have donated small amounts to Bernie and continue to do so. Corporate media just doesn't get it, and neither do the established political parties. Enough already about Bernie support being young people only. People of all ages, it seems, are finally fed up with government by, of and for corporate interests. But it is deliberately misleading to compare Bernie to Trump. P.S. I am female, older than 40, but I, too, support Bernie Sanders -- the only non-corporate candidate.
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The Trump comparison I think is due to the Promise-O-Meter of both Trump and Sanders. A wall, free tuition, no muslims and no way legally or any other way except in speeches to do this stuff. If you have a skeptic's need for questioning you are considered a bad sport.
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Sure you are..... See OceanBlue's post (up 4).
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Yes....NYT, MSNBC and CNN coverage of Sen. Sanders campaign has been nothing short of disgraceful and extremely misleading. We are seeing clearly what corporate media really is.
In my family, I (76), my wife (74), brother (78), sister-in-law (74) and my children (42,44,47) are all supporting the Senator with funding and our votes.
In my family, I (76), my wife (74), brother (78), sister-in-law (74) and my children (42,44,47) are all supporting the Senator with funding and our votes.
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As I suspect is the case with many readers, I am supportive of Sanders, but also dismayed with the Times' coverage of both primaries. I grew up reading the NYT but have increasingly been disappointed by its partisanship (that runs not only through party affilitation but also frankly its New York-centric parochialism: yeah, Trump is scary, but guess what, so is Cruz. The almost jubilation the NYT headlines have over a Cruz triumph contrast very sharply with their begrudging acknowledgement that Sanders is a viable candidate. At the end of the day, I feel bad for Sanders and Clinton because the NYT has not elevated debate to policy matters as the candidates have tried to; the Times is hell-bent on wanting to nominate Hillary - I cannot recall a more blatant position advanced by the Times that has come to deeply color the paper's coverage of the primaries. There is much that Sanders needs to explain and articulate; unfortunately smug Clinton supporters are more content to dismiss him rather than respect him. If both candidates are treated with equal respect, then the media should be asking hard questions of both of them. I would love for the NYT to examine their own headlines and share them with a journalism 101 class: the bias is ever bit as dangerous to democracy as Trump's bombast.
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If Bernie were to pick Elizabeth Warren as his running mate right now, he would snatch victory from the claws of the Clintons.
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No doubt I'll get a lot of angry mail for this but I find it vexing is that Bernie Sanders is so attractive for the Left-sounding slogans he repeats over and over without offering not one bit of substance or detail or any kind of thorough agenda. More troubling, he's clearly been a gun lobby supporter, and won't stand up for laws to protect us from this horrific epidemic in our country. Yes I support Hillary Clinton and I am completely exasperated that she hasn't taken on Sanders for his obvious weaknesses and the plain-spoken hooey he spouts that so many people seem enamored with. And I come from the Left - the actual Left where slogans about change came out of substance and commitment. Sanders may have commitment, but repeating the same 5-10 slogans doesn't spell substance.
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Your comment reveals how little some Americans know about others who live in very different environments. I spent years in Vermont, where, in the very poor area of the state called the "Northeast Kingdom", people hunt for food. You should look up the levels of gun violence in Vermont as opposed to say, Illinois. Sanders, in representing Vermont, has known perfectly well that the general culture in the state that elected him to office 30 years ago is not part of America's gun violence problem.
In addition, Vermont has one of the best healthcare systems in the country, and is one of the safest places to drive a car.
Why do you suppose that is?
Yes, America has a gun problem. But it is not emanating from Vermont.
In addition, Vermont has one of the best healthcare systems in the country, and is one of the safest places to drive a car.
Why do you suppose that is?
Yes, America has a gun problem. But it is not emanating from Vermont.
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Does Hillary Clinton travel in NYC with her Metrocard? I doubt it. This was a silly shot at Bernie Sanders. This campaign is demonstrating her inability to connect with those who are not the audience for her $225K a pop speeches. They are privy to advice that she will not share with the rest of the electorate. HC is polished and knowledgeable but also too lawyerly in her responses. She parses words and takes defensive positions to protect herself, leading to the difficulty the voters have in trusting her. Bernie Sanders is intelligent enough to occasionally admit he doesn't know something, but he would certainly be able to get the information and make a decision. He is open and refreshingly honest. He clearly resonates with ordinary people and understands their struggles. His vision includes ambitious plans, but aren't we always being told that in America anything is possible. HC unfortunately looks like an old pol, jaded and entitled by comparision. No wonder younger voters and independents are overwhelmingly rejecting her and feeling the Bern.
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As I listened to a prominent white male pundit shout down an African American Congresswoman as he insisted that "Bernie is exciting - but what's exciting about Ms Clinton? She's not exciting!" I thought this is the perfect illustration of what Sanders fail to understand. There are millions of us who, in addition to thinking she is the most qualified candidate by far, find the idea of the first female President very exciting. The ultimate glass ceiling will finally be broken in November.
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For this old white guy Bernie Sanders is a breath of fresh air from a system that I long ago gave up on as a fetid garbage dump. He is the only honest major party politician running. He is the only one who has taken consistent stances for his adult life. And he is the only whose stances are for people: very straight, honest discussion of how the US government has failed people. Not because government is inherently bad, but because government has been hijacked by the ultra wealthy, and we have lost the benefit of checks and balances. People can ignorantly yammer on about socialism this and socialism that, but we can't do better than Brooklyn Jew Tony Blair for four years. Where do I sign up?
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Good for Bernie, and while he does feel more authentic than Hilary, I am still disappointing with the options presented by both parties. It feels like the last efforts of those from the last century. Where are the new voices that will lead us through the end of the first quarter of this century?
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Vote Libertarian!
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This is healthy for the party and the country. The math is still clearly in Mrs. Clinton's favor. But she isn't having a cakewalk. It's good for voters to see that the cloak of inevitability is questionable. No presumptive nominee should be able to walk into that convention without a bit of a bloody nose.
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Keep it going Bernie!
The wind is at your back with the WI win
but you are heading into stormy waters.
One for thing for sure, your opponent did underestimate you as
you forecast with prescience.
The opponent's strategy to 'disqualify you" will be the next twist in a convoluted campaign.
The wind is at your back with the WI win
but you are heading into stormy waters.
One for thing for sure, your opponent did underestimate you as
you forecast with prescience.
The opponent's strategy to 'disqualify you" will be the next twist in a convoluted campaign.
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There is no such thing as "momentum." I haven't seen any evidence of it. Clinton won the states she was expected to win, and Sanders won the states he was predicted to win. There is the occasional upset. And so on. But no "momentum." I wish pundits would put a moratorium n the word.
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i wish people would put a moratorium on th word pundit
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Well Kevin, this older voter supports Hillary not because I have given up hope but because I believe that she can deal with the problems that this country faces and will face. I have not forgotten past radical movements: I marched and picketed during the civil rights movement, actively marched and was tear gasses during anti-war work during the Vietnam war, was deeply involved in the women's movement and the gay rights movement. What have you done other than support Bernie?
Typical of so many young Bernie supporters, you broad brush and stereotype those who don't agree with you. Life is complex and requires complex, well thought out responses to issues we personally and collectively encounter. Simplistic might be attractive, but it doesn't really get us anywhere.
And your thoughts on gun control and amnesty for arms manufactorers?
Typical of so many young Bernie supporters, you broad brush and stereotype those who don't agree with you. Life is complex and requires complex, well thought out responses to issues we personally and collectively encounter. Simplistic might be attractive, but it doesn't really get us anywhere.
And your thoughts on gun control and amnesty for arms manufactorers?
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Sanders is NOT for amnesty for gun manufacturers. Where on earth is that coming from? Sounds like Clintonian talking points. He is merely against strict liability vs manufacturers.
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Sanders defended gun manufacturers just a few weeks ago, and the NRA tweeted its support of him. He voted in favor of gun manufacturers (to give them a unique protection from all lawsuits). He voted over and over again against background checks, etc. He voted for years in favor of guns, and was endorsed by Wayne LaPierre and the NRA in his first successful campaign. These are facts and history, not talking points.
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@Portia - Yes, Sanders does support immunity for gun manufacturers.
Watching Hillary explode in a finger in the face tantrum directed at the young student last week, who legitimately asked her about all the money she's accepted from the fossil fuel industry, was very telling...
Hillary does have the huge ego and sense of entitlement to be President, but not the judgement or demeanor.... In fact, I can't remember any time Hillary stood for anything that could have risked her career... Ever....
Hillary does have the huge ego and sense of entitlement to be President, but not the judgement or demeanor.... In fact, I can't remember any time Hillary stood for anything that could have risked her career... Ever....
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What's your source that shows the "student" was even true? Opensecrets.org has a listing, don't see any big oil.
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=2016&id=N000000...
https://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/contrib.php?cycle=2016&id=N000000...
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This is a pure example of the projection from the Sanders' camp that does you no good. Sanders' finger has been pointing every speech, he yells every speech, he has accepted $$$ from oil as well, accepted an endorsement from the NRA. Clinton has the endorsement from Planned Parenthood, but that might not be a big deal to a guy. Come on!
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Individuals that happen to work for oil companies. Hillarys oil money, many times more, I might add, comes from full time lobbyists for the oil industry and his NRA endorsement is a D minus, come to think of it, not exactly an endorsement.
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Please stop pounding the idea that Sanders voters are mostly white. He wins hands down with young black voters as much as he does with other young voters. So at least specify that much. And of course their are heaps of older voters of all stripes championing the Sanders nomination. Hopefully New York will bear this out enough to quiet this relentless echo chamber.
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In Wisconsin Hillary won 69% of the black vote to Bernie's 31%. It isn't an idea, it is facts.
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The problems with Bernie's campaign is that I think it opens up a greater likelihood of a Republican victory in November. While Republicans and others seem to enjoy referring to Hillary as a "flawed" candidate...the buzzword that has burrowed its way into the political discourse when it comes to Hillary, Bernie faces a far more dangerous downside. He would be labelled a Socialist, certainly, or even a Communist, which would scare many voters. I believe it would galvanize the Republican ranks, and sway many independents to vote for a Republican. Whether that would be Donald Trump, a disturbing thought, or Ted Cruz...even worse, the end result could be a nightmare, with Republicans controlling Congress and the Courts as well as the White House. But this seems to be the Democratic story...nominating inspiring candidates like Bernie who are not able to win in November. Then we're stuck with the likes of Nixon, George H.W. Bush, and George W. Bush.
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Minor detail, Peter -- Bernie outperforms Hillary against all the Republicans, in all the polls. Not that this info is covered to anywhere near the extent that it deserves. The MM (Mainstream Media) is too busy insisting that it's not pragmatic to vote for Bernie -- an assertion that those poll results roundly contradict. But hey -- when did the MM let the facts get in the way of their predetermined narrative . . .
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Socialist or even Communist are hardly mere labels for Sanders but the old wind bag is getting lots of attention by talking on a teenagers level. So let him! Like many old folks, he'd not otherwise be granted much focus short of self immolation in front of the Obama's residence. I haven't heard him utter one dedicated statement which defines concerns of his own age class, this whole campaign. We are on the edge of an American pogrom. I am very interested to see who is the fellow traveler that would have their name published on the same democrat ballot with 'Bernie the Bolshevik" in the general election.
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Your argument is upside down...Independents are voting overwhelmingly for Sen. Sanders, and will do the same thing but in even greater numbers in the general election...by and large, they share a consistently strong animus for HRC>
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What do you say, NYT? About your so-early-an-endorsement of the dynastic candidate as if not to be left out of the coronation parade. Be there with the shakers and movers rather than exposing to he risk of not being considered the ultimate establishment paper.
Endorsing so early Queen Hillary: Iraq invasion all over again? When the Times -and the Clintons, let's not forget- went along with the warmongers -and then, true a little mea culpa but basically they blamed the misguided reporter so protective of her sources.
Amy Chozick shows her colors so patently. She thinks -NYT doctrine? that it is thanks to money -but then she does not elaborate what kind of money- and deftness that Sanders is giving a hard time to her preferred candidate. She can not find any wrong in the lady trying to make history: as the first ever... spouse.
Endorsing so early Queen Hillary: Iraq invasion all over again? When the Times -and the Clintons, let's not forget- went along with the warmongers -and then, true a little mea culpa but basically they blamed the misguided reporter so protective of her sources.
Amy Chozick shows her colors so patently. She thinks -NYT doctrine? that it is thanks to money -but then she does not elaborate what kind of money- and deftness that Sanders is giving a hard time to her preferred candidate. She can not find any wrong in the lady trying to make history: as the first ever... spouse.
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YAY, Bernie, our next president! Bernie is the only candidate who is fighting for us all. I have known of him for more than 20 years because of my single payer activism - see www.tvyourhealthcare.org - and Bernie is the best! He will win NY and go on to the White House!
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you could not be more right
bernie is th ONLY candidate of all of them not interested in lining his swiss bank accounts
thats bc he has no swiss bank accts
hes an honest man
bernie is th ONLY candidate of all of them not interested in lining his swiss bank accounts
thats bc he has no swiss bank accts
hes an honest man
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By my count, Sanders has narrowed Clinton's lead by 66 delegates since the March 22 primaries. He is consistently outperforming Clinton and has an advantage (on balance) in the remaining states.
If they split the remaining 1977 delegates 50/50 Clinton ends up with 2267 and Sanders 2015. Neither has the required 2,383 delegates for an outright victory without the "funny money" or super delegates. However, many analyses suggest that Sanders is likely to gain delegates on Clinton through June 7. I suspect Sanders will end up winning more states overall and with roughly the same number of pledged delegates as Clinton -- but neither with 2,383.
So will the Democrats be thrown into a contested convention as well? The super delegates should follow the actual wins by state and the overall popular vote totals. Much of the media keeps labeling Sanders campaign as "too little, too late" but that is not accurate reporting. When the race will not be decided until June 7, if even then, it seems the media should stick to reporting the facts.
This race is very much undecided.
If they split the remaining 1977 delegates 50/50 Clinton ends up with 2267 and Sanders 2015. Neither has the required 2,383 delegates for an outright victory without the "funny money" or super delegates. However, many analyses suggest that Sanders is likely to gain delegates on Clinton through June 7. I suspect Sanders will end up winning more states overall and with roughly the same number of pledged delegates as Clinton -- but neither with 2,383.
So will the Democrats be thrown into a contested convention as well? The super delegates should follow the actual wins by state and the overall popular vote totals. Much of the media keeps labeling Sanders campaign as "too little, too late" but that is not accurate reporting. When the race will not be decided until June 7, if even then, it seems the media should stick to reporting the facts.
This race is very much undecided.
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@Michael - Bernie has super delegates as well, and has been working diligently to get some to flip over to his side. Super delegates are part of the mix here, so you can't just pull them from your numbers, the math will be wrong. Clinton as of today has 1,748 delegates, and needs only 635 to get the nomination.
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A vote for Bernie is a vote for Trump or whoever the Republican nominee is. You know that the majority of the American people are moderates to conservative in their ideology. They favor the “Democratic” form of government, but they know it is a work in progress. They favor change through evolution not revolution.
In politics, government, and foreign affairs they are pragmatic. In industry and commerce pragmatism rules, but I have concluded at times not only in economics, but in foreign affairs and war they also embrace Machiavellianism. But when the crisis at hand subsides they pull back to pragmatism. This modus operandi is also applied to our political campaigns.
This also includes the bringing down of the strongest candidate (Hillary) and prepping up the weaker candidate (Bernie) by leaving him free to roam in the campaign without political attacks. Once the weak candidate wins the nomination then all hell backs loose. The political propaganda machine of the Republican Party aided by the propaganda machine of the ruling oligarchs will make mincemeat of our candidate. Now let’s see who becomes President. If Bernie is nominated I hope for the sake of the country, I am wrong.
In politics, government, and foreign affairs they are pragmatic. In industry and commerce pragmatism rules, but I have concluded at times not only in economics, but in foreign affairs and war they also embrace Machiavellianism. But when the crisis at hand subsides they pull back to pragmatism. This modus operandi is also applied to our political campaigns.
This also includes the bringing down of the strongest candidate (Hillary) and prepping up the weaker candidate (Bernie) by leaving him free to roam in the campaign without political attacks. Once the weak candidate wins the nomination then all hell backs loose. The political propaganda machine of the Republican Party aided by the propaganda machine of the ruling oligarchs will make mincemeat of our candidate. Now let’s see who becomes President. If Bernie is nominated I hope for the sake of the country, I am wrong.
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What Sanders's presidential has proven is that he could be a senator or even a governor of a much bigger state than Vermont!
I'm sure that's not what he aspires to, but he might consider upgrading, he could be majority leader should Democrats retake the Senate.
I'm sure that's not what he aspires to, but he might consider upgrading, he could be majority leader should Democrats retake the Senate.
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Sanders isn't really a Democrat, it was just a better platform for him to run from. He would likely go back to his independent status if he returned to the Senate.
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If none of their names was a household name, their faces wouldn't be familiar to anyone, their age and gender unknown and you would just listen to what each of the two democratic candidates had to say, and you read up on their careers, their point of views and who and what they've stood for in the past; I think we all know who the frontrunner would be.
But the media tries to effectively divide the country into black, white, man, woman, young, in their reporting and push their own candidate (who received $3.7m from Print & Media Companies) which in my opinion is against everything that professional journalism should stand for.
The argument that one candidate is more experienced is a weak excuse. This country doesn't need seasoned politicians who know how to play the system and have promised several interest groups (see link below and think for yourself if these are just happy donors who don't want anything in return). And in many ways Obama was far less experienced than Sanders btw.
Sanders would do everything in his power to stop spending billions of taxpayers money on forcing 'democracy' onto other countries, which is the root of the latest terrorists attack around the country, and for once focus simply on overhauling this country's broken democracy.
Btw, Don't you think with all the young people registering as democrats for Bernie, that he could win the four seats back in the Senate in 2016?
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/indus.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000019&...
But the media tries to effectively divide the country into black, white, man, woman, young, in their reporting and push their own candidate (who received $3.7m from Print & Media Companies) which in my opinion is against everything that professional journalism should stand for.
The argument that one candidate is more experienced is a weak excuse. This country doesn't need seasoned politicians who know how to play the system and have promised several interest groups (see link below and think for yourself if these are just happy donors who don't want anything in return). And in many ways Obama was far less experienced than Sanders btw.
Sanders would do everything in his power to stop spending billions of taxpayers money on forcing 'democracy' onto other countries, which is the root of the latest terrorists attack around the country, and for once focus simply on overhauling this country's broken democracy.
Btw, Don't you think with all the young people registering as democrats for Bernie, that he could win the four seats back in the Senate in 2016?
http://www.opensecrets.org/pres16/indus.php?cycle=2016&id=N00000019&...
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@Flo - If you think that's the reason terrorists don't like the west, then you're delusional. They're also attacking France, Belgium, and middle east countries, not just the U.S.
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If all these Bern Feelers trolling every web site think we members of the DNC are going to desert the only Democrat in the race, Hillary, and support the Independent Socialist Sanders based on how many comments and recommendations they receive on blogs, they are deluding themselves.
When monitoring Right Wing radio, FOX "News" et al. we find it hard to discern the difference between their anti-Hillary propaganda and all the alleged Bern Feelers. Both glorify Sanders while heaping horrid accusations against Hillary. It's a tad too much over the top nonsense to be perfectly honest. We Dems get it. You want us to switch our endorsement from Hillary to Sanders. 'Taint gonna happen.
Discussing this with other members of the party, we are reaching out to the remaining Supers, there are 712 in all and Hillary currently has 469, to come on board Hillary's campaign and put this notion of a some socialist "revolution" to rest. A couple hundred more Supers are waiting in the wings to put Hillary over the top before we meet in Philadelphia if necessary.
We want to avoid the imminent debacle in Cleveland when the Republicans really revolt. Sanders chose not to join the Democratic Party. Does anyone in their right mind think that we lifelong members of the DNC are going to change our allegiance from Hillary because Left activists, the most unreliable, fickle segment of the DNC voting bloc, college kids and grumpy old socialists, tell us to? The question's rhetorical.
DD
Manhattan
When monitoring Right Wing radio, FOX "News" et al. we find it hard to discern the difference between their anti-Hillary propaganda and all the alleged Bern Feelers. Both glorify Sanders while heaping horrid accusations against Hillary. It's a tad too much over the top nonsense to be perfectly honest. We Dems get it. You want us to switch our endorsement from Hillary to Sanders. 'Taint gonna happen.
Discussing this with other members of the party, we are reaching out to the remaining Supers, there are 712 in all and Hillary currently has 469, to come on board Hillary's campaign and put this notion of a some socialist "revolution" to rest. A couple hundred more Supers are waiting in the wings to put Hillary over the top before we meet in Philadelphia if necessary.
We want to avoid the imminent debacle in Cleveland when the Republicans really revolt. Sanders chose not to join the Democratic Party. Does anyone in their right mind think that we lifelong members of the DNC are going to change our allegiance from Hillary because Left activists, the most unreliable, fickle segment of the DNC voting bloc, college kids and grumpy old socialists, tell us to? The question's rhetorical.
DD
Manhattan
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How perfectly undemocratic of you and your corporate DNC posse, deciding for the unwashed masses who should be our nominee.
You should all be grateful that Sanders chose to run as a Democrat instead of an Independent, his affiliation in VT, otherwise your candidate wouldn't have a chance in a million of winning-- and that split ticket would most certainly give us a Republican presidency. So let's stop with the false diatribe about a "fraudulent" Democrat, shall we?
On a lighter note... You mad, brah?
You should all be grateful that Sanders chose to run as a Democrat instead of an Independent, his affiliation in VT, otherwise your candidate wouldn't have a chance in a million of winning-- and that split ticket would most certainly give us a Republican presidency. So let's stop with the false diatribe about a "fraudulent" Democrat, shall we?
On a lighter note... You mad, brah?
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Caught this article yesterday: http://money.cnn.com/2016/04/05/investing/bernie-sanders-taxes-age-40/
Here is what doesn't sit well with me - I am a middle class voter in MD who can't afford to get squeezed anymore:
* Bernie would raise middle class taxes a lot:
* A calculator from Vox and the Tax Policy Center gives voters a sense of how much their own taxes would go up under each candidate.
* Here's how much more a married couple with one child would pay if Sanders became president, according to the calculator:
A couple earning $100,000 a year would pay $14,130 more.
A couple earning $50,000 would pay $6,820 more.
A couple earning $30,000 would pay $3,380 more
Here is what doesn't sit well with me - I am a middle class voter in MD who can't afford to get squeezed anymore:
* Bernie would raise middle class taxes a lot:
* A calculator from Vox and the Tax Policy Center gives voters a sense of how much their own taxes would go up under each candidate.
* Here's how much more a married couple with one child would pay if Sanders became president, according to the calculator:
A couple earning $100,000 a year would pay $14,130 more.
A couple earning $50,000 would pay $6,820 more.
A couple earning $30,000 would pay $3,380 more
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A single mom earning around 20,000 would pay an extra 1500!
How does that help a person who barely can pay the rent and already qualifies for expanded medicaid and Pell Grants to attend community college?
Not at all.
Under Bernie's plan, most low income people also pay more and are not helped. His plan is not well enough thought out.
Hillary's is.
How does that help a person who barely can pay the rent and already qualifies for expanded medicaid and Pell Grants to attend community college?
Not at all.
Under Bernie's plan, most low income people also pay more and are not helped. His plan is not well enough thought out.
Hillary's is.
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Correction - she would pay even more 2,300!
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That calculator is not correct. I too have read this, am middle class and a father of two. Taxes will rise with Bernie, but offset but much lower health care costs, assuming he could get that passed (and yes, I'm aware that is a BIG assumption). Ultimately, from the details I have read, overall out of pocket expenses for most of us would be lower, like it is in most European countries. No doubt very wealthy people will see a rise in taxes that is not offset by much lower costs, but that doesn't bother me.
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Grats to Bernie!!!! People are really starting to feel the Burn!! What a great victory speech too. Especially right after wooden Ted's speech - invoking the spirit of Winston Churchill - what a joke. Glad to know my vote will count for something when they visit Maryland. Watch Hillary put on her NY Yankees baseball cap and suddenly have a NY accent in the next few weeks. Bernie is real, and the more people pay attention to what he is saying with *real* passion, the more folks will continue to flock to his campaign. Go Bernie!!
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Bernie hasn't lived in NY since high school. Went to University of Chicago til 1964, then moved permanently to Vermont in 1968. He's been a non-New Yorker for decades, thinks the transit system still sells tokens.
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Just comparing Hillary's phony smile with Bernie's serious physiognomy tells you all you need to know who is the serious candidate and who is the con.
Warning: if someone who doesn't know you presents you with a big smile, he or she is out to con you. Applies to all walks of life, not just politics.
I am reminded in this vein back when Helmut Schmidt was West Germany's Chancellor and Ronnie our psychic-guided standard-bearer. The comparison was pitiful for thinking Americans.
Warning: if someone who doesn't know you presents you with a big smile, he or she is out to con you. Applies to all walks of life, not just politics.
I am reminded in this vein back when Helmut Schmidt was West Germany's Chancellor and Ronnie our psychic-guided standard-bearer. The comparison was pitiful for thinking Americans.
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This is an example of "thinking"?? Comparing photos from a photographer"?
I really have to say this is absurdity.
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From sea to shining sea, we stand alongside Bernie Sanders & drink the pure mountain spring waters of the Republic; youth & elders linked in the spirit of the Republic.
The Clinton neo-imperial royalty & their kool-aide imbibing footmen will be defeated.
Bernie Sanders - our next president!
The Clinton neo-imperial royalty & their kool-aide imbibing footmen will be defeated.
Bernie Sanders - our next president!
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Perhaps you've been drinking a bit too much of your namesake.
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Bernie is a community potluck.
Hillary is a benefactor/donor dinner at Per Se.
Which one will most of us attend?
Hillary is a benefactor/donor dinner at Per Se.
Which one will most of us attend?
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@sf
This somehow comes across as a elitist comment for one who denounces elitism.
This somehow comes across as a elitist comment for one who denounces elitism.
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I really wish Bernie supporters would do some independent research.
They seem to really care about important issues, so I believe they are quite capable of putting in the time and energy, but have been putting all of their energy into blindly following someone who is actually not very knowledgeable and who is repeating a lot of popular old wives tales
They are being lead to bark up some very wrong trees, by a passionate but knowledgeable person
There is a lot of good research on trade deals and they are not the main cause of the problem with declining US wages (why Trump is also using this same bit of propaganda)
Trade deals could be better however.
Overall US employment has not declined after trade deals, even now we are close to full employment.
The main cause of a reduced middle class has to do with wages (and a minimum wage that has not increased with inflation) and a decline in unions. The main reason is that unions have gone out of favor in since the Reagan years. Otherwise, as manufacturing jobs left, we could have easily unionized other non-exportable jobs and raised the min wage. The problem? The GOP.
Places like Denmark, that Bernie likes to use as an example have very open economies and do not restrict trade, but 2/3 of employees are unionized
I'd also throw in the cost of housing (people have been hiding billions in US real estate driving up prices)
Also, the companies that caused the crisis were not impacted by GLBA leg - another old wives tale
They seem to really care about important issues, so I believe they are quite capable of putting in the time and energy, but have been putting all of their energy into blindly following someone who is actually not very knowledgeable and who is repeating a lot of popular old wives tales
They are being lead to bark up some very wrong trees, by a passionate but knowledgeable person
There is a lot of good research on trade deals and they are not the main cause of the problem with declining US wages (why Trump is also using this same bit of propaganda)
Trade deals could be better however.
Overall US employment has not declined after trade deals, even now we are close to full employment.
The main cause of a reduced middle class has to do with wages (and a minimum wage that has not increased with inflation) and a decline in unions. The main reason is that unions have gone out of favor in since the Reagan years. Otherwise, as manufacturing jobs left, we could have easily unionized other non-exportable jobs and raised the min wage. The problem? The GOP.
Places like Denmark, that Bernie likes to use as an example have very open economies and do not restrict trade, but 2/3 of employees are unionized
I'd also throw in the cost of housing (people have been hiding billions in US real estate driving up prices)
Also, the companies that caused the crisis were not impacted by GLBA leg - another old wives tale
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correction - "by a passionate but unknowledgeable person"
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What are Hillary's actual accomplishments, Lil' Pegs?
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I am a passionate Bernie supporter, and I agree that linking trade to overall job losses is simplifying things. NAFTA no doubt resulted in a net loss of jobs in the midwest, perhaps offset by a gain in other parts of the country. Bernie is not about restricting trade so much as opposing trade agreements that are not fair to workers both here and overseas. Yes, his speeches in Michigan I think were too simplistic, but he is MUCH more of a union supporter than Hillary ever was or will be. I am more comfortable with having Bernie try to shrink the widening gap between rich and poor in this country than Hillary, who has never voted for those kinds of proposals.
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Now it makes complete sense why the super delegates refuse to change their votes to Bernie Sanders in states where he has won by landslides. It seems like they sold their super delegate votes to Hillary way back in 2015, before anyone was even running yet. Yes, this system is rigged. Shameful...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-lo...
http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/04/01/how-hillary-clinton-bought-the-lo...
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Bernie has not won any states by a landslide. In Michigan, widely characterized by Bernie supporters as a "blow-out win", was actually about even, a difference of only 18,427 votes out of 1,172,017. And delegates awarded were 67 vs. 63. Sanders supporters need to look up their adjectives in the dictionary and look at actual numbers before they post.
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Hillary only won 1 county in WI and not even by a large margin :)! NY here we come!
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People should note that while Bernie is doing poorly with blacks, his numbers with asians and latinos are almost the same as for whites.
So his electoral problem isn't with diversity in general, he specifically lack political penetration within the black community.
So his electoral problem isn't with diversity in general, he specifically lack political penetration within the black community.
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So the NYT managed to put Sanders' Wisconsin primary win on its front page, right at the bottom. While admitting tacitly that the "young" that Sanders draws includes the middle-aged, and that his "populism" also includes the middle and upper-middle classes. Way to go NYT.
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Old Bernie left New York so long ago that he doesn't even know that the subway system no longer accepts token to access it. Then Old Bernie comes to New York to claim his "Brooklyn roots." This sound like a very phony assertion that should be rejected by true New Yorkers who love this city and have lived here for years, enduring the bad times and enjoying the good times, and never thought of leaving it for greener pastures. I view Hillary Clinton as one of us and Bernie as a Vermonter. My vote will go to Hillary.
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Have you ever seen Hillary Clinton ride the subway? Did she even bother to give an interview to the New York Daily News?
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this is so off, it's odd.
clinton's a carpetbagger.
sanders is as brooklyn as ebbets field
clinton's a carpetbagger.
sanders is as brooklyn as ebbets field
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When is the last time Hilary rode the subway?
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I really don't know much about Bernie Sanders. He hasn't had to undergo the glare of fame and focus on his record that Clinton has had to survive since the Congress had a series of bogus investigations that came to nothing regarding Whitewater when she was the First Lady. I don't think that Sanders will be oh so popular when he goes under the microscope.
I know Clinton and by and large I like her positions. She is the most experienced person in the race with a depth of opinion which we can see. Just stating the obvious...that the middle and working class are falling behind and getting a raw deal....may appeal to anger, as Trump has done, but there is no plan, no framework, no action no experience in Bernie Sanders.
I know Clinton and by and large I like her positions. She is the most experienced person in the race with a depth of opinion which we can see. Just stating the obvious...that the middle and working class are falling behind and getting a raw deal....may appeal to anger, as Trump has done, but there is no plan, no framework, no action no experience in Bernie Sanders.
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A study of America's not too distant history will confirm that he is the accurate definition of "Progressive" and unfortunately the only one. The term became popular in the 1900's as a response to the Gilded Age [exactly like we are living in again.]
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Let's look at the Democratic Party's long-term goals: win the Presidency, and take back Congressional and Senate seats. How will this happen? If Democrats expand the Party--attract Independents (up to 40% of nationwide voters), new voters, and Republicans who are fed up or repulsed.
So, which candidate will grow the Party. We have one candidate with negative approval ratings, who consistently loses with Independents and new voters, and has a history of animosity with Republicans. And we have another candidate with the highest approval ratings, who consistently draws Independents and new voters; has a record of pulling swing voters; and has set records in individual fund-raising, drawing 1.5 times the other's contributions last month.
Take a hard look, Democrats. If we can grab some of those Independents, new and swing voters now, then we have a chance of keeping them for elections ahead. Imagine adding big percentages to Democratic votes--the results could be tremendous. To do that, we need Sanders.
So, which candidate will grow the Party. We have one candidate with negative approval ratings, who consistently loses with Independents and new voters, and has a history of animosity with Republicans. And we have another candidate with the highest approval ratings, who consistently draws Independents and new voters; has a record of pulling swing voters; and has set records in individual fund-raising, drawing 1.5 times the other's contributions last month.
Take a hard look, Democrats. If we can grab some of those Independents, new and swing voters now, then we have a chance of keeping them for elections ahead. Imagine adding big percentages to Democratic votes--the results could be tremendous. To do that, we need Sanders.
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As we all know the issue is delegates-- especially super-delegates. And, why should these super delegates give their votes to Bernie? He conveniently became a Democrat to run for president, but he is not a Democrat and more critically he has never raised money for the Democrats and their causes. It has been very easy for Bernie in his little corner of the world (Vermont) to bluster and be a populist, but he would never be able to affect real change from the white house. Time for a reality check.
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If you knew anything about the stranglehold that the two major corrupt parties have on our nomination process, you would understand why Sanders HAD to run as a Democrat. He does help them a lot, caucusing with them, and you can bet they value that highly. As far as raising money for them, well Hillary raises enough for the whole party--she should spread it around.
In 2020 we'll look back and contentedly see how wrong you were.
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Agreed! Even if by some fluke he won the White House, what then? Not one of his ideas would pass the House or Senate, and even if they did, I can't see States agreeing to fund tuition in their State Schools with money they don't have, nor can I see Wall Street accepting a tax without repercussion. Prosperity for all is not free money and if Wall Street was forced to pay, the stock market would have an answer. Bernie's free lunch program for the youth may buy him votes, but in this day and age it can't be done.
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As well shown in his recent NY Daily News interview, Sanders has no depth, no detail and no plan on how he would implement his 'revolution'. He will never be elected. Considering his hubris, I am concerned that we may have Ralph Nader revisited. When it is time for Sanders to leave the stage (and that time is near), his messianic arrogance will have him choose to throw sand in the gears. We as a country absolutely cannot allow the current Republican candidates to lead the nation.
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Two thirds of the states have voted and he does not have a majority of the delegates - it is not even close. All this talk about momentum is nonsense. You do not get the gold medal for running the fastest at the end of the race; you get the gold medal for crossing the finish line first. One third of the states are left and he cannot win them all AND win them by margins necessary to overtake the lead. Sorry Senator... here is your silver medal.
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Bernie Sanders is on a hot winning streak and poised to take New York if Hillary doesn't do anything illegal to take it from him. This is one presidential campaign the Democrats could have taken easily if only they hadn't put all of their eggs in Hillary's basket. As Bernie continues to rack up wins, it is becoming increasingly clear that he would make the better nominee for president. If the Democrats are serious about winning the White House, Sanders might do well to consider naming Clinton as his VP. At least she would achieve her goal of making history as the nation's first female vice president.
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If you really think the rest of the country will vote for him, other than the dems he is getting now, you must think Trump can win, too. Bernie is a socialist. For all her faults Hillary is not tagged thusly. He cannot win the national election, even against Trump.
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Regardless of Sanders' message & his recent wins, I'm concerned about what seems to be his lack of interest in helping Democrats down the ticket, so that his "revolution" might actually have some of the votes he needs to pass the Congress and to switch some of the hard GOP legislatures that created so many awful laws. Last I heard, he hadn't "decided" if he had any interest in helping Democrats get elected. Even if he defies all odds & gets elected, if he doesn't have people in the party closest to his (since he's NOT a Democrat), what chance does he have of doing anything besides giving impassioned speeches?
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You've identified the crux of the matter for this and coming elections: Whoever controls the House and Senate controls the national agenda. The Rs have been focused on this in the past, albeit with a Faustian deal with the Tea Party devils, and have produced their desired result for this D president: little action. Why the Ds have not paid more attention to the "down ticket" races, even the state and local elections, is beyond me. Are the Rs running a ruse with their clown-car primary? Are they going to concede the Presidency and focus their billions on an supermajority in both houses so as to be able to override any presidential veto? In that case Bernie, Hillary, Ds and primary voters will have wasted their time, money and enthusiasm.
I'll vote the full Democratic ballot. Period. What does the Presidential candidate's views have to do with that? My vote, my viewpoint.
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It has to do with whether Sanders will raise money for the DNC which helps D candidates compete throughout the country. It's not just a matter of people voting D. It's that candidates need lots of money to win elections, and it comes through various organizations supported by the Ds. Bernie is not a D and apparently has no interest in or allegiance to these groups - and hence to the candidates duking it out.
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I hear the McGovern comparison quite frequently. Given the rightward shift in the nations politics during the last half-century, don't you think Dewey vs Truman is a better comparison?
The roles are somewhat reversed but the similarities are striking. Dewey was the anointed candidate of his time in an election year that clearly favored his party. The media produced blind, echo-chamber support for his election. His campaign behaved as though they were the inevitable choice.
The opposition, despite being incumbent, we're split three ways in their nomination. The eventual nominee, Truman, resonated across party territory in an honest trustworthy way. He won despite the shadow of legacy and any other failings.
That's not an endorsement of Republicans. Just a gentle admonition against presumption.
The roles are somewhat reversed but the similarities are striking. Dewey was the anointed candidate of his time in an election year that clearly favored his party. The media produced blind, echo-chamber support for his election. His campaign behaved as though they were the inevitable choice.
The opposition, despite being incumbent, we're split three ways in their nomination. The eventual nominee, Truman, resonated across party territory in an honest trustworthy way. He won despite the shadow of legacy and any other failings.
That's not an endorsement of Republicans. Just a gentle admonition against presumption.
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Two thirds of the states have voted and he does not have a majority of the delegates - it is not even close. All this talk about momentum is nonsense. You do not get the gold medal for running the fastest at the end of the race; you get the gold medal for crossing the finish line first. One third of the states are left and he cannot win them all AND win them by margins necessary to overtake the lead. Sorry Senator... here is your silver medal.
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NYT, you have become "unexpectedly deft" at ensuring young readers who support Sanders will turn elsewhere for unbiased news. Good luck with the 3-D glasses thing though.
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Thank you for changing the headline to make it more accurate and less slanted towards Clinton. It has been noted.
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Whatever the outcome for Bernie, he deserves much gratitude for forcing Hillary to keep her focus on main street instead of where her comfort zone is, which is Wall Street.
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Bernie does have a steep climb to make mathematically. But let's keep something in mind: All of Hillary's lead comes from the South. These are red states that the Democrats simply are not likely to carry come November. If the delegate count is close at the convention, and neither has the requisite pledged delegate count, would the superdelegates be inclined to switch allegiance to the favored candidate of the states that are actually blue? It might just be an interesting political summer.
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Your contention is that those blue states will vote for Trump instead of Hillary, if Bernie is not the candidate?
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Also, Hillary gets the black vote but she takes it for granted. She has done nothing for them and if more publicity is given to her remarks, she may lose her firewall. She gets it by meeting w/church leaders and the leaders of the black organizations, who then urge people to vote for her. I asked a black friend how she did it, given her track record, and that's what he told me. Referring to black children as "predators" shouldn't endear her to them-or telling a young lady who had comments and questions to go while she dealt with the "issues." To that young lady, her questions involved real "issues."
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Hedgiemom, isn't it strange that actual black voters who have watched Clinton in action for 25 years don't feel at all taken for granted, including civil rights pioneers like Rep. John Lewis?
And who are you suggesting will do better for them? A Republican like the ones who rook over Flint and poisoned the water? You don't present any case for Sanders, either.
Your black friend is entitled to his opinion, but I've seen and heard many other interviews with black voters who say she listened and cared and helped when no one else did, when all the cameras had gone away. Maybe they weigh their personal experience and her lifetime of actual service more heavily than two mischaracterized comments cited by some random white person in Galveston, whose motive might be to persuade them to stay home and help elect Republicans. Some people just can't understand what's good for 'em, right?
And who are you suggesting will do better for them? A Republican like the ones who rook over Flint and poisoned the water? You don't present any case for Sanders, either.
Your black friend is entitled to his opinion, but I've seen and heard many other interviews with black voters who say she listened and cared and helped when no one else did, when all the cameras had gone away. Maybe they weigh their personal experience and her lifetime of actual service more heavily than two mischaracterized comments cited by some random white person in Galveston, whose motive might be to persuade them to stay home and help elect Republicans. Some people just can't understand what's good for 'em, right?
Great , now he's only 175 delegates behind......
Waste of time.
Waste of time.
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I'm hearing anecdotal evidence that New Yorkers voter registration by party affiliation is setting up a scenario similar to the one in Arizona-- not the lack of polling places, but that the DMV can't confirm some registered voter's party affiliation.
As NY state holds a closed primary, this might be a good time for the (local) paper of record to investigate these allegations, either to confirm or deny.
As NY state holds a closed primary, this might be a good time for the (local) paper of record to investigate these allegations, either to confirm or deny.
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It is looking more and more as if the admonition Sanders gave at the start of his campaign to not underestimate him is something The New York Times, among other major media outlets, should have taken a little more seriously.
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Bernie’s pie in the sky ideas including his radical revolution are not realistic. He is not only confronted with the reality that his proposals will never pass Congress, but his ideas cannot stand up to economic scrutiny. I believe that he will never get to be President, because the Republican establishment along with the ruling economic oligarchs will discredit him with the general voting public. Up to now we have seen that he has been given a pass because they are using him to weaken Hillary. But by the time they finish with him his possibility of being elected as a dog catcher in the state of Vermont is zero.
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What a breather it was to get a chance to vote for someone like Bernie Sanders. I felt I'd done right by my conscience. I vote every time, even when I'm so tired of it all. It's because I think I owe it to the future readers of future history books. Even if I am not around, I want people in the future to have what we have been told we can't have right now. We can indeed. And one day we're going to have to star. And why not now? Bernie Sanders represents the conscience of the Democratic party.
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Lately, Bernie won Utah, Idaho, Washington, Alaska, Americans abroad, Hawaii, and Wisconsin all by wide margins. He also recently won more delegates in Nevada. The voting irregularities, as they are called, in Arizona makes Hillary's win there questionable. When she does win outside the Bible belt, she has frequently just squeaked by: 1% in Mass (with Bill involved in illegal activity at voting sites, never reported in NYT) and Nevada, less than 1% in Iowa and Missouri. But the NYT smugly keeps telling us he is a fringe candidate and hopeless.
No, NYT, you are wrong. Bernie is the one who can win the general election.
No, NYT, you are wrong. Bernie is the one who can win the general election.
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I wonder if he had started to really run for President earlier, if he wouldn't be a lock for the nomination now. People really are sick of the pretend liberalism practiced Clinton, Obama and company.
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In Sanders we have a man that is more pragmatic than his detractors care to acknowledge. Sanders isn't going to be able to wave a wand to accomplish anything overnight.
But Sanders will move deliberately to reverse a very heavy pendulum that must start swinging in the other direction. Because everything.
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Milwaukee is a little more than 50% black and Latino, and yet, Mrs. Clinton won that county by only about 7,200 votes out of some 200,000 cast -- a 3% margin of victory. That was certainly better than her 0.3% margin in Iowa, but wasn't nearly enough to make up for her losing the rest of the state by more than 130,000 votes.
The recent Sanders' rally in the South Bronx drew more than 18,000 -- almost all black and Latino. That should tell you something about what's going to happen in New York on April 19th: Bernie probably won't win the whole Big Apple, but he will take a big enough bite out of it to deny Mrs. Clinton a statewide victory.
Then what, New York Times?
The recent Sanders' rally in the South Bronx drew more than 18,000 -- almost all black and Latino. That should tell you something about what's going to happen in New York on April 19th: Bernie probably won't win the whole Big Apple, but he will take a big enough bite out of it to deny Mrs. Clinton a statewide victory.
Then what, New York Times?
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That Daily News editorial board interview with Sanders was telling. He struggled to explain how he would carry out his core campaign plans. It wasn't one of those "gotcha" questions journalists sometimes throw at candidates, where they suddenly ask them to name the Prime Minister of Pakistan, but core planks.
We pause when we see Donald Trump is clueless about policy details. It's no less disturbing that Sanders clearly is too.
We pause when we see Donald Trump is clueless about policy details. It's no less disturbing that Sanders clearly is too.
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The NYTimes is wrong about Sanders like they were wrong about Iraq 2.0. Sanders is winning these primaries with the media fighting to bury him every step of the way, with the NYtimes as the worst offender.
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Who cares? Previously Bernie has lost 5 races in 1 day. Now the smart people of New York, including the New York media, will pick apart his vague, unrealistic policies.
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Ger real! The political revolution doesn't start with the presidency, it starts at your local and state levels. Think about replacing your US Reps and Senators. I got a call telling me I won a trip to the Bahamas, I knew that was too good to be true. You need sort out reality from wishful thinking when Bernie talks. I'm all for political revolution, but it's trickle up, not trickle down, elect a new congress!
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He has hardly dented her lead in pledged delegates and has only a tiny fraction of her Super Delegates. His wins in the highly mentioned recent month were less than her single victory in Texas. He has misrepresented his obstructionism when it came to voting to rebuild the country after the Bush calamity, and his votes to fund the war he said he opposed.
New Yorkers should remember, he fled the state, she came to the state to serve and she served New York well.
New Yorkers should remember, he fled the state, she came to the state to serve and she served New York well.
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At some point the media is going to connect the fact that young people don't vote with the fact that boomers do, and recognize that what's pushing Bernie along is in large part boomers. We have been screwed financially by Congress and by Wall Street, and Hillary doesn't get it. When was the last time your CD interest rate went up? How about your Social Security check (2 years without a raise)? How about your local property taxes (thanks to cutbacks on the federal level0?
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"I am not now, nor have I ever been a liberal Democrat" - Bernie Sanders 1985
"I ma not a Democrat, period" - Bernie Sanders 1988
"You don't change the system from within the Democratic party" - Bernie Sanders 1990
"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat after everything I've said about the party" - Bernie Sanders 1990
"I am running as a Democrat, obviously I'm a Democrat now" - Bernie Sanders 2015
"I ma not a Democrat, period" - Bernie Sanders 1988
"You don't change the system from within the Democratic party" - Bernie Sanders 1990
"It would be hypocritical of me to run as a Democrat after everything I've said about the party" - Bernie Sanders 1990
"I am running as a Democrat, obviously I'm a Democrat now" - Bernie Sanders 2015
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Does this mean there's a new "flip-flopper" in the house????
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What's different about Bernie is that he's very consistent on the issues. What general label he would apply to himself is no where near as important, in my view, as are his political positions on actual issues. In any case, you should include references for these interviews or whatever they were if you are trying to use them against him.
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Why do these articles feel the need to provide quotes from the campaign managers or spokespersons of the candidates? They are simply boilerplate statements that don't shed any light on anything at all.
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NYT as a news media should be unbiased but very early on this race they sided with Clinton and Wall Stret. Except for a few reporter who hasn't sold their sole to Wall Street,the rest of the NYT reports write for pay checks and future positions not for tranferring a true information. It is obvious that this reporter is neglecting a lot of facts in our society.
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As a lifelong democrat and liberal--Congratulations to Bernie. I am feeling the Bern.
To Hillary--Please drop out of the race now and pledge your delegates to someone who truly has the best interest of America at heart.
Hillary - Please drop out of the race now -America does not need another wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street banksters and corporations.
Hillary - Please drop out NOW - Americans don't need someone who will vote for a war and then not ensure or support that troops were properly equipped. On this point, I speak from experience--my son was a combat medic in Iraq (2 tours) and I had to buy his Sappe plates for his body armor. When I contacted then Senator Clinton's office, I was told by one of her staffers that this was an issue that she was not interested in.
Please Hillary--JUST GO AWAY.
To Hillary--Please drop out of the race now and pledge your delegates to someone who truly has the best interest of America at heart.
Hillary - Please drop out of the race now -America does not need another wholly owned subsidiary of Wall Street banksters and corporations.
Hillary - Please drop out NOW - Americans don't need someone who will vote for a war and then not ensure or support that troops were properly equipped. On this point, I speak from experience--my son was a combat medic in Iraq (2 tours) and I had to buy his Sappe plates for his body armor. When I contacted then Senator Clinton's office, I was told by one of her staffers that this was an issue that she was not interested in.
Please Hillary--JUST GO AWAY.
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In the comments I've read so far, no one seems to have mentioned the superficial but psychologically significant fact that the article on Bernie's win is below that for Ted Cruz, with a smaller font for the headline. Why would the Times present Bernie's win as less important than Ted's?
Just askin'.
Just askin'.
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Because the GOP race is fascinating, lurid, and very close?
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Bernie Sanders confusing, ill-thought out, misinformed and devastatingly poor editorial board interview in the New York Daily News has sunk whatever small chance he may have to be competitive in New York.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-...
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-...
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I understand the appeal to Bernie Sanders banks and large companies seem focused only on profits with no concern about workers and customers. Senator Sanders standard positions and speech fits into many voters concerns. the problem with Bernie Sanders issues were shown in his meeting with the new York Post editorial board. He could not answer how these issues could be solved. If Congress continues to not work, how can the President resolve thorny issues? There are limits of what the President can do without Congress.
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Fred Gatlin, you are right that a President needs a Congress to pass laws to make changes. You also need a President who really means to make America fairer, and will go directly to the American people to make life hell for Congress people who obstruct. Challeng every member in both parties who are opposed come election time.
Of all the candidates running only Senator Sanders is believable in making the changes necessary for all Americans to get a New Fair Deal.
Of all the candidates running only Senator Sanders is believable in making the changes necessary for all Americans to get a New Fair Deal.
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I am a New Yorker and leaning towards Bernie. However, Clinton bashers, of all political persuasions need to calm down. Considering all we have been through, emails and other assorted "scandals" are just more noise. Hillary gets her hands dirty, but not more than any other politician, and considerably less than many. It is easy to maintain a "pure" image as an independent from the perch of Vermont. A First Lady and Senator from NY is a position in the thick of the fight.
I plan to vote for Bernie on April 19, but my reservations are much the same I had with Obama. Bernie is untested. We don't know how he will stand up to national pressure. He is also older than Hillary, and the job seems to suck the life out of people.
Bernie isn't pure and Clinton isn't "damaged goods." Those assessments are lazy and juvenile. Each camp has legit reasons to support the other. I think we have two great candidates, and will be proud to vote for Bernie in the primary or either in the general.
I plan to vote for Bernie on April 19, but my reservations are much the same I had with Obama. Bernie is untested. We don't know how he will stand up to national pressure. He is also older than Hillary, and the job seems to suck the life out of people.
Bernie isn't pure and Clinton isn't "damaged goods." Those assessments are lazy and juvenile. Each camp has legit reasons to support the other. I think we have two great candidates, and will be proud to vote for Bernie in the primary or either in the general.
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I for one hope you will reconsider your vote on Ap 19th. Bernie may be "untested" but he HAS made it plain that he won't support any anti-gun legislation and he still hasn't given any explanation of detailed plans or a meaningful agenda were he to take the highest office. It's far too easy to be swayed by left-sounding slogans for "the people." Phooey! To my mind he is arrogant and filled with hot air; it's difficult to comprehend the support. And more sickening is the "hate Hillary" sentiment on the supposedly thinking people in the liberal edges of the Democratic Party.
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Oh for god's sake, he represents a state in which poor people hunt for food! He knows that the gun laws that may address a problem in IL that VT doesn't have but that will punish VT's poor. Stop drawing broad conclusions from your narrow perspective. VT has some of the most liberal gun laws in the country. Have you looked up its rate of gun violence?
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Sanders streak of spectacular successive wins including Wisconsin is a game changer. The inevitable has become possible and the super delegates could be the spoiler but just like the people have been having second thoughts the super delegates could peel off. Sanders' Nordic brand of socialism is increasing its appeal with every win. FDR gave us social security, Johnson gave us civil rights, Obama gave us affordable health care and Sanders could give our youth free college education and redistribution of wealth. Sanders has passionate supporters and he is finally not afraid to bring up the damn emails and the fossil fuel campaign contributions of his rival and that seems to get him the much needed momentum in an election year that has been a roller coaster ride for him and all the other candidates. It will be interesting to see who emerges from the fog and who is inaugurated at the Capitol in January 2017 .
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Why hasn't this article discussed the fact that in a recent newspaper interview Bernie Sanders, when asked how he would implement what he has been campaigning about, could not answer the reporter. Even after the reporter insisted on an answer. Bernie Sanders not formulated a plan to implement anything he has been campaigning about. And his states "victories" are not significant. So, why is this article not pointing that out?
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Mrs. Clinton is holding a baby in the picture in this article. The look on baby's face sums up how good folks in America feel about her winning the election. Scary and Sad. Hillary is a great con artist. We do NOT want her as our President. Period.
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Nice try. But the baby is surrounded by several flashing cameras and strange faces.
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I don't like Hillary. She has no personality. Of course she could do this job in her sleep. So could John Kerry.
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Momentum? Hold that thought. The states ahead are going to be tough to accumulate the delegate numbers he needs. He spent a lot of money in Wisconsin and there were many more white constituents, a state designed for Bernie.
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So was Hawaii, one of the most ethnically diverse states in the Union.
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Sanders, unlike every other contestant, is not running because it has been his lifelong egotistical aspiration to be president. He is running because he has to. This alone makes him the most worthy of the highest office in the land.
He is correct when he says that this may be our final chance to reverse America's march toward oligarchy.
Bernie is winning serially because people now hear him and know him. The media cannot continue to ignore him. If the "fourth estate" had not indulged in their own form of voter suppression from the start by refusing to recognize the relevance of his message and the hunger Americans have for it he would be in the lead IMHO.
He is prevailing because of hard work, passion and tenacity -despite the early efforts of all of you to crush him. Just as he will do as president against an intransigent congress. He's not calling it in. What more does one need to see?
He is correct when he says that this may be our final chance to reverse America's march toward oligarchy.
Bernie is winning serially because people now hear him and know him. The media cannot continue to ignore him. If the "fourth estate" had not indulged in their own form of voter suppression from the start by refusing to recognize the relevance of his message and the hunger Americans have for it he would be in the lead IMHO.
He is prevailing because of hard work, passion and tenacity -despite the early efforts of all of you to crush him. Just as he will do as president against an intransigent congress. He's not calling it in. What more does one need to see?
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"He is running because he has to. This alone makes him the most worthy of the highest office in the land."
Sounds cultish. He revealed his cluelessness in the Daily News interview.
Sounds cultish. He revealed his cluelessness in the Daily News interview.
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Agreed.... Bernie is the far better candidate... And as people get to know him, he gets more popular... With Hillary, it is the exact opposite. Which is why the DNC limited the debate schedule... So they could coronate their corporate queen with opposition...
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Can't see how Hillary wins without Bernie as Vice President. Would that be enough?
Meanwhile Ted Cruz may find he has a future in Hollywood playing heavies like fellow GOPster Schwarzenegger. Scary he does very well.
Meanwhile Ted Cruz may find he has a future in Hollywood playing heavies like fellow GOPster Schwarzenegger. Scary he does very well.
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Well, perhaps Bernie Sanders' most recent win -in Wisconsin- will make Mrs. Clinton nervous, but if one reads the print edition of the NYT this morning, there is no indication that Bernie Sanders is the one making her nervous. "Cruz and Sanders Win Key Wisconsin Primary" is the front page headline. Second paragraph, after some information about Ted Cruz: "On the Democratic side, "Senator Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton in a much closer contest".
Just not true. And, not a single other mention of Mr. Sanders' name in a long article...
True: that the complete results were not in at the time the article was written, but your current digital information states that Sanders' margin of victory is 13.3% and Cruz' margin is 13.1%.
Really, this is shameful reporting and bias which most of the population is now seeing in full after your January endorsement of Mrs.Clinton.
It just so happens that the country is realizing they have a spokesman in Mr. Sanders that reflects and articulates their concerns for the country. It's a very good thing that Mr. Sanders has come along at this critical time in our history.
Just not true. And, not a single other mention of Mr. Sanders' name in a long article...
True: that the complete results were not in at the time the article was written, but your current digital information states that Sanders' margin of victory is 13.3% and Cruz' margin is 13.1%.
Really, this is shameful reporting and bias which most of the population is now seeing in full after your January endorsement of Mrs.Clinton.
It just so happens that the country is realizing they have a spokesman in Mr. Sanders that reflects and articulates their concerns for the country. It's a very good thing that Mr. Sanders has come along at this critical time in our history.
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There is more than a mis-aligned White House needing a good clean-up. Most people are becoming aware of our politicized SCOTUS in which replacement of a single justice can alter the course of our nation. Recall the swing that occurred when Sandra Day O’Connor left the court. And now with the loss of the single vote (but significant influence) Justice Alito exercised we can feel an immediate sea change in America
And of course our Congress must be returned to its intended status as a deliberative body.
Even beyond that, the Democratic Party (and possibly the GOP?) apparatchiks must be replaced with a party structure willing to consider ALL the possibilities for candidates. The pre-selection of Ms. Clinton years back and the dedication of “superdelegates” to her cause undermines the validity of single votes by individual citizens.
In the coming election change is needed, not feeble efforts by an embedded politician whose priorities would continue “business as usual” with only minor changes.
And of course our Congress must be returned to its intended status as a deliberative body.
Even beyond that, the Democratic Party (and possibly the GOP?) apparatchiks must be replaced with a party structure willing to consider ALL the possibilities for candidates. The pre-selection of Ms. Clinton years back and the dedication of “superdelegates” to her cause undermines the validity of single votes by individual citizens.
In the coming election change is needed, not feeble efforts by an embedded politician whose priorities would continue “business as usual” with only minor changes.
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I am not white but I like Sanders for his sincerity and convictions. I think we need a president who will work for all, not just the minorities. I hope people will look at the policies not race or gender when they vote. And I don't buy the argument that Sanders represents White male voters. It reminds me of Albright and Steinem scolding young women for supporting Sanders. The gender and race are being used for political mileage mainly by the HRC camp.
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So when is Hillary Clinton going to drop out -- for the good of the Democratic Party and for the good of the nation?
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Cool, great Sanders! I wish you to win elsewhere. Next time please say something about Huma Abadin ties with Clinton, about Clinton support of "moderate" terrorists who killed americans in Benghazy! Don't be affraid! Say the truth, people must know is. Who if not you?
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The Times isn't mentioning how women voted in Wisconsin because Clinton and Sanders spilt the female vote. According to their own exit polling date reported in another article. Split it. I.e. dear readers, Sanders leads among men and competes equally well with Clinton among women. To put it more bluntly, Clinton did not have an advantage among Wisconsin women. No Gender Edge. That tidbit is being buried.............
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My immediate comment on this article as well. The reporter certainly likes to selectively report the voting statistics to prop up the overall NYT narrative.
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Bernie Sanders' ill-informed, poorly articulated and pretty much disastrous interview by the New York Daily News Editorial staff will pretty much sink whatever small chance he had in New York. The fact that someone so inarticulate and ill-informed about the the potential implications of his "sound bite" policies is even this close in a Presidential primary speaks volumes about the presses disservice in vetting this absurd candidate!
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-...
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-...
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No. All that showed was that the NY Daily News does not know the difference between the Federal Reserve Board and the Treasury. Wall Street Journal reporters they are not. They would be wise to stick to the more tabloid subjects that are their bread and butter.
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@Portia - There were many more flubs than just that topic. Let's put it this way, he is probably sorry he set up the interview in the first place.
HRC has shown she can win handily in states that will not be in play for her in the general election. She continues to court the African-American votes and ignores for the most part true independents and the white working class. Women under 40 are savvy to her machinations that pay lip service to progressive ideas but she deeply believes in (like Bill) neoliberalism economically and the neocon approach to foreign affairs. This is NOT a candidate the U.S. needs at this time. Sanders espouses ideas that he believes in, as do many of the people in this country. He is not a socialist but a true Liberal and there's nothing wrong with that...
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Berned again! Thank you, WI!
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I can't believe that the "Baby Boomers" and their selfish, over indulgent kids don't want Truth in politics and the overturn of Citizens United. They have turned into a bunch of CHICKENS...looking for a reason to support corruption in politics and for the suppression of the CHOICE to vote for who is President of the United States of America. If the Wealthy paid their "fair share" of Taxes, and if "off shored" JOBS returned to America...America would Rock. No sense voting for the Clinton's, been there, done that. Nothing GOOD happened then, and nothing good will happen now with the appointed "Queen." Bernie Sanders will lay the foundation for the future leaders of this society...in the right direction, who will be unbought, unsold, honest, educated, and healthy. Go Bernie.
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It appears that US citizens love Socialism - for the 1% where the rich pay no tax and the poor get taxed to cover their losses and to pay for the services that are vital in any civilised society.
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When Sanders is President of the United States of America, and his revolution, which is a Democrat led Senate and Congress, aligned with the interests of the 90% not the 10%, all that he speaks of will come true. The closed minded fools who refuse to acknowledge this are hoping for a Hillary win.
If Hillary wins, the younger generation. the country and the middle class will get short shrift compared to a Sanders presidency.
If Hillary wins, the younger generation. the country and the middle class will get short shrift compared to a Sanders presidency.
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And if you clap loudly enough and believe, Tinkerbell will be saved!
Just ignore the fact that a Republican Congress will never vote for universal health care, free college, or trillion dollar tax increases annually (that will cost every American at least $10,000 in income). Reality has a way of interfering with fantasies (and revolutions that are not supported by the majority of Americans).
Just ignore the fact that a Republican Congress will never vote for universal health care, free college, or trillion dollar tax increases annually (that will cost every American at least $10,000 in income). Reality has a way of interfering with fantasies (and revolutions that are not supported by the majority of Americans).
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Reality is that Republicans are obstructionist...which is a losing game and will become a lost Party.
The people have had 20 years to get to know Hillary and they don't like her. The polls view her as untrustworthy and unlikeable. Why does the DNC think she is such a great candidate?
She is a master of doublespeak and the only item of importance to Hillary's agenda is complete her checklist of becoming POTUS.
She is a money grubbing liar, who desperately wants to be a member of the ultimate elite boys club and will step on ANYONE to get there.
Congrats to Bernie for the solid Win last night. New York is next and Hillary will be in for a BIG surprise.
She is a master of doublespeak and the only item of importance to Hillary's agenda is complete her checklist of becoming POTUS.
She is a money grubbing liar, who desperately wants to be a member of the ultimate elite boys club and will step on ANYONE to get there.
Congrats to Bernie for the solid Win last night. New York is next and Hillary will be in for a BIG surprise.
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Bernie Sanders is winning in the Democratic states in the places that will guarantee a Democratic victory this fall. Clinton is focused on urban centers which may or may not tip the scales in the general election.
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Thank you for this. I'd add to your observation that Sanders is winning in Democratic states by huge margins, thus bringing into question whether Clinton can actually win those states in an general. If she can't, she will not win the general election. It boggles my mind that this fact is not being covered more. It's crazy to think that Clinton can win the presidency by winning southern states and cities over 500,000 residents.
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If Mr. Sanders can go into the convention with neither he or Ms. Clinton having accrued enough elected delegates to clinch the nomination, I think the Super Delegates then have to very carefully weigh 5 very important competitive disadvantages in a potential general election Clinton campaign:
1) The states Ms. Clinton has won (and accrued her voter #'s) are mostly Red States she will not win in the general election
2) Inability to reach independent voters - the key to the general election
3) Her supporters will vote for Bernie in the general but the reverse is not true
4) Her vulnerability on issues such as: Panama Trade deals, TPP, Wall Street donations, Wall Street transcripts, email scandal indictments, Clinton Foundation donors and flip flops on issues like gay rights, gun control, abortion, $15 minimum wage, her missteps at State and her "hawkish' response to any threat
5) Her inability to run a campaign. The Sanders campaign gets stronger with each passing month while the Clinton campaign seems to be stuck in neutral or regressing.
Now that the fear of Trump seems to be fading the DNC will need a strong candidate who appeals outside the very small core Ms. Clinton appeals to, in order to win in the general. There seems to be a real path to victory for Sanders should he be able to get to an open convention.
1) The states Ms. Clinton has won (and accrued her voter #'s) are mostly Red States she will not win in the general election
2) Inability to reach independent voters - the key to the general election
3) Her supporters will vote for Bernie in the general but the reverse is not true
4) Her vulnerability on issues such as: Panama Trade deals, TPP, Wall Street donations, Wall Street transcripts, email scandal indictments, Clinton Foundation donors and flip flops on issues like gay rights, gun control, abortion, $15 minimum wage, her missteps at State and her "hawkish' response to any threat
5) Her inability to run a campaign. The Sanders campaign gets stronger with each passing month while the Clinton campaign seems to be stuck in neutral or regressing.
Now that the fear of Trump seems to be fading the DNC will need a strong candidate who appeals outside the very small core Ms. Clinton appeals to, in order to win in the general. There seems to be a real path to victory for Sanders should he be able to get to an open convention.
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Also 6.) The Sanders campaign has gained this much momentum with a profound negative bias in terms of media coverage. Had he received equal coverage from the get-go, I suspect he would be leading easily by now.
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It is sad that Ms. Chozick cannot provide an unbiased version of last night's results....Her statement to lead off the second paragraph "Mrs. Clinton’s defeat does not significantly dent her comfortable lead in the race for the 2,383 delegates" is misleading because without super delegates the race is very close and getting closer....Sanders' win was huge and the margin larger than anyone expected....So let's not taint the reporting with the attitude that this is a minor blip toward the Clinton coronation....The media should let the people decide instead of trying to direct the outcome.....It is totally unfair and biased reporting....
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Wait a minute. You say let the people decide. They did. Sanders won Wisconsin. What is the problem? Picture not large enough? Wrong picture? Bad picture?
Font too small???... Sorry. But aren't you missing the point???
Font too small???... Sorry. But aren't you missing the point???
I see a lot of denigrating comments about "old white men". I am an old white man. What should I do to keep the people behind these comments happy? to die? to leave the country? to hold my nose and vote for a corrupt politician so I am not called a "misogynistic old white man"?
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@sg
Are we reading the same comment section???...I haven't seen anything about about "old white men". Nevertheless, I should hardly think anyone is calling forth your mortality.
As for misogynists -- they come in every age and hue.
Are we reading the same comment section???...I haven't seen anything about about "old white men". Nevertheless, I should hardly think anyone is calling forth your mortality.
As for misogynists -- they come in every age and hue.
I feel your pain. I am an old white woman who is Bernie or Bust. I won't vote for a crook just because the DNC & DWS tell me to; I am not a good child. There is nothing wrong w/old white men; wish I had one.
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You should do your research and recognize that your life will be better under a Hillary Clinton Presidency than any other candidate and vote for her. The fact that she will help people of all races and ages do the same should not be a threat to you.
Why doesn't Bernie Sanders *ever* get the TOP spot on the front page:
Trump/Cruz this... Hillary- that.....Bernie at the bottom... Why, New York Times?
Trump/Cruz this... Hillary- that.....Bernie at the bottom... Why, New York Times?
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Were any of the Sanders voters asked who they voted for in the other races? Wisconsin State Supreme Court for example or did they just vote for Sanders?
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I think we have spiraled down to two parties offering up little in terms of solutions for our nations problems. Clearly either Democratic candidate is the lesser of the evil that the Republicans are offering us. I get that Hillary is a Plutocrat and a war monger and Bernie is an honest man. I don't believe either one of them offer us pragmatic solutions and budgeting along with a vastly different policy on the use of US power then either President Obama or for that matter former President Bush.
I will vote for either Sanders or Clinton but I will not be feeling good about either of them. At least with Bernie we get an honest nice guy. Jimmy Carter comes to mind.
I will vote for either Sanders or Clinton but I will not be feeling good about either of them. At least with Bernie we get an honest nice guy. Jimmy Carter comes to mind.
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I've waited my entire voting life for someone to say what Sanders is saying and who has a chance to win. I'm not excited yet because decades of disappointment with the American political system have tempered my enthusiasm. Clinton is what I have come to expect from American politics, an opaque insider who continually comes down on the wrong side of issues because she is not working for me, she is working for herself, and she is owned by people the common man will never know. If you are a professional mid level manager like myself, you continually get told by you bosses to incorporate the thinking of the higher ups into your world view, even if you know it isn't helpful to the people below you that you manage. You are a tool, and the best you can hope for is that you can carve out some autonomy while they throw you their scraps. Hillary is a champion scrap thrower. I want more. America wants more. Let's see if we can actually do the right thing.
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"Mr. Sanders Goes to Washington."
It's interesting: I suspect many Hillary supporters love the Jimmy Stuart classic, "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," without realizing that the candidate they're back in in this election is the OPPOSITION to "Mr. Smith!"
Go Bernie! Another ten bucks going your way!
It's interesting: I suspect many Hillary supporters love the Jimmy Stuart classic, "Mr. Smith Goes to Washington," without realizing that the candidate they're back in in this election is the OPPOSITION to "Mr. Smith!"
Go Bernie! Another ten bucks going your way!
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"Sanders’s Victory Extends His Streak"
"SANDERS’S VICTORY EXTENDS HIS WINNING STREAK"
"SANDERS’S VICTORY EXTENDS HIS WINNING STREAK"
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"Senator Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton in the Wisconsin primary on Tuesday..."
"Defeated"?? Looks to me like he *clobbered* her!
Feeling the Bern this morning!
"Defeated"?? Looks to me like he *clobbered* her!
Feeling the Bern this morning!
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He got 57%.
BIG victory. OK -- he clobbered her.
Now, the reality dose.
Going forward, to get to the number of PLEDGED delegates needed to win the nomination, in every primary, he will have to get 67%.
SIXTY SEVEN PER CENT.
Yes, 10 points MORE than his BIG victory last night.
EVERY state.
Enjoy the Bern and the momentum and the feeling great and the movement.
It's not doable.
Unless you guys == the purists -- now want to change the rules and say Superdelegates should be forced to vote for Bernie because he's so warm and fuzzy and nice and cute.
BIG victory. OK -- he clobbered her.
Now, the reality dose.
Going forward, to get to the number of PLEDGED delegates needed to win the nomination, in every primary, he will have to get 67%.
SIXTY SEVEN PER CENT.
Yes, 10 points MORE than his BIG victory last night.
EVERY state.
Enjoy the Bern and the momentum and the feeling great and the movement.
It's not doable.
Unless you guys == the purists -- now want to change the rules and say Superdelegates should be forced to vote for Bernie because he's so warm and fuzzy and nice and cute.
Bernie should enjoy the ride because he can not win without the black vote, and he will not get it. Having had all white male presidents (with the exception of Obama), blacks ask themselves what has it meant for us. Answer: Nothing. Now that minorities are about to become the majority - you won't see a white male as president again.
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So you'll just vote for someone depending on the color of his skin? Not the contents of his character? That's sad.
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Pay back time??????
Even when Sanders wins a major primary, the NY Times remains negative. This article reports Sanders win, but practically every other paragraph has inaccurate or misleading negatives.
Second paragraph: "Mrs. Clinton’s defeat does not significantly dent her comfortable lead ... for the 2,383 delegates..." In the last 6 primaries, Sanders went from 880 to 1077; Clinton went from 1212 to 1279. That's +197 for Sanders; +67 for Clinton. Sanders' deficit went from 332 to 202 in the same time.
Then this superfluous editorial: "...he struggled to provide the specifics of his plan to break up the Wall Street banks. He was even stumped about how to ride the New York City subway."
By the way, if the NY Times is going to continue to tally Superdelegates for Clinton, please report the actual delegates Sanders won in Washington State and Nevada.
Second paragraph: "Mrs. Clinton’s defeat does not significantly dent her comfortable lead ... for the 2,383 delegates..." In the last 6 primaries, Sanders went from 880 to 1077; Clinton went from 1212 to 1279. That's +197 for Sanders; +67 for Clinton. Sanders' deficit went from 332 to 202 in the same time.
Then this superfluous editorial: "...he struggled to provide the specifics of his plan to break up the Wall Street banks. He was even stumped about how to ride the New York City subway."
By the way, if the NY Times is going to continue to tally Superdelegates for Clinton, please report the actual delegates Sanders won in Washington State and Nevada.
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If you read the NY Daily News transcript, it would not seem superfluous. He really did struggle on explaining how to break up the banks. Lots of big picture passion, but little detail. I'll give him a pass on not knowing the tokens haven't been used on the subway for 13 years.
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It is naive to believe that a person who is naive about financial matters will knock over Wall Street's wind turbine.
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It's funny how after each victory for Sanders, the NYT analysis comments that the results don't make a significant impact on Clinton's delegate lead.
On March 21, Clinton led by 305 in terms of pledged delegates. Now -- with the results from Wisconsin, plus the rules governing how 65 more delegates from the state of Washington will be apportioned, Clinton's lead is down to about 218 delegates.
That's a 29% decrease in the space of 15 days. That seems significant to me. If Sanders wins the remaining primaries by the same margin as he did in Wisconsin, he'll have won the nationwide contest for pledged delegates.
Oh, and Wyoming votes next, not New York.
On March 21, Clinton led by 305 in terms of pledged delegates. Now -- with the results from Wisconsin, plus the rules governing how 65 more delegates from the state of Washington will be apportioned, Clinton's lead is down to about 218 delegates.
That's a 29% decrease in the space of 15 days. That seems significant to me. If Sanders wins the remaining primaries by the same margin as he did in Wisconsin, he'll have won the nationwide contest for pledged delegates.
Oh, and Wyoming votes next, not New York.
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Hillary was for the TPP before Bernie was against it.
Hillary was for NAFTA while Bernie was against it.
Hillary was for the Keystone pipeline before Bernie was against it.
Hillary was for fracking before Bernie was against it.
Hillary was for the Iraq Invasion while Bernie was against it.
Hillary was for the Glass Steagall repeal, while Bernie is against it.
Hillary is for military intervention in Syria, while Bernie is against it.
Hillary is for Super PACs, while Bernie is against them.
Bernie is for Universal Healthcare, while Hillary is against it.
Bernie is for debt-free college, while Hillary is against it.
Bernie is for reinstating a fair tax rate on the .01% and finding their trillions hidden in offshore tax shelters around the world, while Hillary is against it.
Hillary is for accepting tens of millions of dollars from Wall Street, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Ag, the Fossil Fuel Industry, the Private Prison Industry, the Military Industrial Complex, etc... And we all know Bernie is against it.
Hillary was for NAFTA while Bernie was against it.
Hillary was for the Keystone pipeline before Bernie was against it.
Hillary was for fracking before Bernie was against it.
Hillary was for the Iraq Invasion while Bernie was against it.
Hillary was for the Glass Steagall repeal, while Bernie is against it.
Hillary is for military intervention in Syria, while Bernie is against it.
Hillary is for Super PACs, while Bernie is against them.
Bernie is for Universal Healthcare, while Hillary is against it.
Bernie is for debt-free college, while Hillary is against it.
Bernie is for reinstating a fair tax rate on the .01% and finding their trillions hidden in offshore tax shelters around the world, while Hillary is against it.
Hillary is for accepting tens of millions of dollars from Wall Street, Big Pharma, Big Insurance, Big Ag, the Fossil Fuel Industry, the Private Prison Industry, the Military Industrial Complex, etc... And we all know Bernie is against it.
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Except most of your points are not true.
Bernie cosponsored and voted for regime change in Libya in 2011, and voted for regime change in Iraq in 1998.
Hillary is for debt free college and free community college, something Obama has been pushing for for a few years.
Hillary was not in congress when GLBA was passed (written by republicans with those initials).
Hillary is for increasing taxes on the wealthy and yes reining in offshore tax avoidance
Bernie really did vote against the money for the auto bailout according to fact check sites
Fact check sites determined Bernie's statement about Hillary's contributions from fossil fuel companies was false and the Washington Post gave him 3 Pinocchios.
Bernie cosponsored and voted for regime change in Libya in 2011, and voted for regime change in Iraq in 1998.
Hillary is for debt free college and free community college, something Obama has been pushing for for a few years.
Hillary was not in congress when GLBA was passed (written by republicans with those initials).
Hillary is for increasing taxes on the wealthy and yes reining in offshore tax avoidance
Bernie really did vote against the money for the auto bailout according to fact check sites
Fact check sites determined Bernie's statement about Hillary's contributions from fossil fuel companies was false and the Washington Post gave him 3 Pinocchios.
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Hillary Clinton is responsible for CHIPs, the children's health insurance program, which has helped millions of children. None of Sanders' bills have ever passed except a few post offices. Sanders is for guns and gun manufacturers; he was against stem cell research; he was against immigration reform. He is for annual tax increases of a trillion dollars. Fat chance of that ever happening in a Republican Congress.
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@peg
What do you expect? He's reading from the anti-Clinton script print-out.
What do you expect? He's reading from the anti-Clinton script print-out.
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Congratulations to Bernie Sanders on his Wisconsin win.
My take is that Sanders will do well in his birth state of New York, though how well is not clear at this point. I think it's important to remember that Clinton is a recent transplant via Illinois and Arkansas, who also has a substantial property in the District of Columbia.
California is a very different story, though there hasn't been much discussion about it recently. California today is not what it was in 1967, that goes without saying. Nevertheless some Bernie supporters have the impression that it is. I am afraid that Clinton will probably come out on top, at least in the very affluent (actually really wealthy) urban areas, and in the exurban and distant suburban regions of San Diego, Los Angeles and the Bay Area. Forty years ago, I would not have said that. That's a lot of delegates at stake.
Will Sanders be able to capture the large Latino vote (over 50 percent in the Los Angeles basin) and the Black vote? Maybe. Time will tell. One can only hope. Go Bernie!
My take is that Sanders will do well in his birth state of New York, though how well is not clear at this point. I think it's important to remember that Clinton is a recent transplant via Illinois and Arkansas, who also has a substantial property in the District of Columbia.
California is a very different story, though there hasn't been much discussion about it recently. California today is not what it was in 1967, that goes without saying. Nevertheless some Bernie supporters have the impression that it is. I am afraid that Clinton will probably come out on top, at least in the very affluent (actually really wealthy) urban areas, and in the exurban and distant suburban regions of San Diego, Los Angeles and the Bay Area. Forty years ago, I would not have said that. That's a lot of delegates at stake.
Will Sanders be able to capture the large Latino vote (over 50 percent in the Los Angeles basin) and the Black vote? Maybe. Time will tell. One can only hope. Go Bernie!
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The Math to counter the Momentum: He'd need to get 67%of delegates in ALL remaining primaries to catch up with Clinton.
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Its amazing that Bernie Sanders is now on a winning streak when 3 weeks ago Hillary won 5 states from him in one week and then Arizona. I am sure AZ has more delegates than him winning Idaho and UTAH. But again leave it to the media to make it like he is winning with high numbers and has this momentum. Look at the facts. Hillary has more votes than him and delegates and he is winning in states with no diversity. There are more to come which I am sure she will take 4 more from him.
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Sanders is an egoist - he's running only for himself (he has NEVER campaigned on behalf of other candidates - sorry folks, he really doesn't care about the cause). Notice how he constantly slanders Hillary. Not so much the Republicans.
He will lose this election for us by dragging Hillary's good name and good record through the mud of unsupported innuendo. To all you Sanders zealots, I say: thanks for handing the keys to the White House, Supreme Court & US Treasury to the radical right. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
He will lose this election for us by dragging Hillary's good name and good record through the mud of unsupported innuendo. To all you Sanders zealots, I say: thanks for handing the keys to the White House, Supreme Court & US Treasury to the radical right. With friends like you, who needs enemies?
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You lost me at "...Hillary's good name and good record...."
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Say What?
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"Sanders is an egoist "
And HRC is not? I would imagine that all politicians are.
And HRC is not? I would imagine that all politicians are.
The Daily News interview stands out because the New York Times has been so friendly in its coverage of Mr. Sanders and so unfriendly towards Mrs. Clinton. Mr. Sanders is running in Democratic primaries, but has anyone ever asked him if he would be a Democratic President. His association with the party does not seem very authentic. It is, in fact, cynically convenient. Would he support the Democratic platform? Will he align with Democrats in Congress? In his zeal for single payer, would he align with Republicans to repeal or gut Obamacare? Would he continue his cozy relationship with the gun lobby? In the constant drumbeat about Mrs. Clinton's trustworthiness, I feel as a Democrat that I am being played by Mr. Sanders. He spent much of his political career denigrating Democrats. I would like to cast my vote for a Democrat.
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"Bernie Sanders Soars, for Now"
"Bernie Sanders Extends His Winning Streak"
"Faint Praise in Media Proves Potent Elixir for Sanders Campaign"
Keep up the good work!
"Bernie Sanders Extends His Winning Streak"
"Faint Praise in Media Proves Potent Elixir for Sanders Campaign"
Keep up the good work!
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Sanders trounced Clinton in Wisconsin. Will this carry over into New York?
Yes, primarily because of changing voter demographics and the economy.
According to the Pew Research Center, the 2016 vote is comprised of 4% Asian voters, 12% Hispanic voters, 12% Black voters and 69% White voters.
Bernie's message against trade agreements resonates well with Asian voters, who tend to support him.
Although Clinton's name is familiar to Hispanic voters, their millennial children are persuading their families to vote for Sanders, as evidenced in Nevada and Arizona. His immigration strategy resonates with all Hispanics.
Sanders' support among Black voters has been increasing, as his record of marching, and working for Civil Rights and for Prison Reform has been revealed.
Among white voters, mixed ages and genders support each candidate, although the rich prefer Hillary. Bernie just won in White Wisconsin, a state of mixed age and economic levels.
Sanders' appeal to those hurt by income inequality, unfair wage discrimination, low wages, US jobs being shipped overseas, plus his call for an improved social safety network is his unifying force. Most voters support his ideas, and, they believe he is trustworthy.
New York has been hit hard by jobs lost to other countries and is still recovering from the 2008 crisis.
Wall St. gave the crisis to the world. It supports Clinton. Will New York vote for economic justice and social protections? The demographics say, "yes!"
Yes, primarily because of changing voter demographics and the economy.
According to the Pew Research Center, the 2016 vote is comprised of 4% Asian voters, 12% Hispanic voters, 12% Black voters and 69% White voters.
Bernie's message against trade agreements resonates well with Asian voters, who tend to support him.
Although Clinton's name is familiar to Hispanic voters, their millennial children are persuading their families to vote for Sanders, as evidenced in Nevada and Arizona. His immigration strategy resonates with all Hispanics.
Sanders' support among Black voters has been increasing, as his record of marching, and working for Civil Rights and for Prison Reform has been revealed.
Among white voters, mixed ages and genders support each candidate, although the rich prefer Hillary. Bernie just won in White Wisconsin, a state of mixed age and economic levels.
Sanders' appeal to those hurt by income inequality, unfair wage discrimination, low wages, US jobs being shipped overseas, plus his call for an improved social safety network is his unifying force. Most voters support his ideas, and, they believe he is trustworthy.
New York has been hit hard by jobs lost to other countries and is still recovering from the 2008 crisis.
Wall St. gave the crisis to the world. It supports Clinton. Will New York vote for economic justice and social protections? The demographics say, "yes!"
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FOUR front-page articles on Trump this morning's NYT's front Webpage, and only ONE on Sanders. Sanders gets my vote for a.) actually talking about issues, standing up and fighting for the American people, and b.) for the evident bias in the media towards not talking about him as a credible candidate.
In fact, the media will emerge as fools from this election by playing perfectly into Trump's hands, turning the election into some bizarre side-show reality competition. Many Americans are beyond disgusted with this hijacking of the political and media processes. Bernie, 110%, all the way: if not elected now, we may never see his like again.
In fact, the media will emerge as fools from this election by playing perfectly into Trump's hands, turning the election into some bizarre side-show reality competition. Many Americans are beyond disgusted with this hijacking of the political and media processes. Bernie, 110%, all the way: if not elected now, we may never see his like again.
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A win for true progressives! Now the stage is set for New York ! It will be a referendum on two fronts: 1) will true New Yorkers validate her years as Senator and as a presidential candidate; and 2) will New York welcome back its native son and grant him further life for his presidential bid. Despite her delegate lead, mostly through a fixed and rigged primary season, Sanders has the momentum and an audience eager to hear his message. With Sanders we see a genuine candidate along with his genuine accent. I wonder will Hillary feign a New York accent much like her put on Southern accent while in the South
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Bernie is taking more heat than he deserves for the Daily News interview. He introduced detailed legislation just last year proposing to break up the biggest banks (with Rep. Sherman proposing a companion bill in the house), and his answers were accurate and honest (if not polished). Further, he was asked for his opinion on the impact of a federal district court case on his plan and he reasonably demurred -- he isn't sure what he legal implications of the Metropolitcal Life case, decided last week in D.C District Court are, and now he's being smeared as "not knowing the legal implications of breaking up the banks." Anyone who misreads the quote simply hasn't read the transcript and doesn't know he's referring to a trial court level case that only legal wonks are mulling over right now.
It's true he should know that you use a Metrocard. But last I checked Vermont is 6h away on the Vermonter line and at least the guy eats pizza without a fork and knife - the true test of New Yorkerdom!
It's true he should know that you use a Metrocard. But last I checked Vermont is 6h away on the Vermonter line and at least the guy eats pizza without a fork and knife - the true test of New Yorkerdom!
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I would love to see political data on the source of Sanders' campaign funds.
How much is from his supporters, vs. how much from GOP supporters?
How much is from his supporters, vs. how much from GOP supporters?
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And how much does he donate to the Democratic Party????
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How about how much is from disenchanted , disenfranchised independent voters who were fooled into voting for Repugs in the past because corporate Dems sold them out so many times in the past?
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It is highly likely that H. Clinton will be the Democratic candidate. I will not be voting for Clinton. I decided not to vote for the less worse of the two presidential candidates any more. Clinton is more centrist than Obama with whom I was totally disappointed. I would like a woman to win but being a woman alone is not sufficient.
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@fcomez
Then you might consider voting for the G.O.P. -- because their Congress is probably largely responsible in making President Obama so 'disappointing' for you.
Then you might consider voting for the G.O.P. -- because their Congress is probably largely responsible in making President Obama so 'disappointing' for you.
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Not a problem.
You can come back and tell us how grand is life under President Cruz or Trump, and with Scalia II on the court
You can come back and tell us how grand is life under President Cruz or Trump, and with Scalia II on the court
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Democrats have been spending a lot of time hooting and braying about Donald Trump, but they are ignoring the absolutely amazing and fundamental weakness of their own front runner. It's truly stunning, and unprecedented in American history, for a candidate as obscure and extremist as Mr. Sanders to repeatedly trounce a candidate with as much money, name recognition and organization as Ms. Clinton.
Make no mistake about what these results mean: A gigantic chunk of this nation's Democratic voters (to say nothing of tens of millions of Republicans) totally despises Ms. Clinton, seeing her as a brazen, corrupt liar whose only real credential is being married to a former president who she would have, if she had any real honor or character, have divorced for infidelity years if not decades ago but clung to for crass political gain.
Thus, in her own way, Hillary Clinton is every bit as toxic and divisive as Mr. Trump. Americans have no idea what "gridlock" even means, and won't until they see D.C. run by another Clinton.
And one thing more: The very notion of American presidential power passing from husband to wife in the manner of a monarchy is an obscenity (just as was the passing of that power from father to son among the Bush family). This is just one more reason that Clinton is do deeply, irreparably, disliked.
Make no mistake about what these results mean: A gigantic chunk of this nation's Democratic voters (to say nothing of tens of millions of Republicans) totally despises Ms. Clinton, seeing her as a brazen, corrupt liar whose only real credential is being married to a former president who she would have, if she had any real honor or character, have divorced for infidelity years if not decades ago but clung to for crass political gain.
Thus, in her own way, Hillary Clinton is every bit as toxic and divisive as Mr. Trump. Americans have no idea what "gridlock" even means, and won't until they see D.C. run by another Clinton.
And one thing more: The very notion of American presidential power passing from husband to wife in the manner of a monarchy is an obscenity (just as was the passing of that power from father to son among the Bush family). This is just one more reason that Clinton is do deeply, irreparably, disliked.
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She's been a Senator. She's been Secretary of State. She is running on her own record, not that of her spouse.
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nelda, ya, but she has ALREADY been a FIRST Lady and already lived in the White House for 8 years.
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That smell you perceive from the Clinton camp and their apologists, including the New York Times, is the smell of panic. Now comes the nastiness and dirty campaigning for which the Clintons are famous.
Clinton cannot win in November for the simple fact that people just don't like her, not even my kindly and forgiving mother. Bernie Sanders is the only hope for turning back the ugly Republican tide.
"It's my turn" is neither an agenda nor a winning argument, and New Yorkers are savvy enough to know it, and reject it.
Clinton cannot win in November for the simple fact that people just don't like her, not even my kindly and forgiving mother. Bernie Sanders is the only hope for turning back the ugly Republican tide.
"It's my turn" is neither an agenda nor a winning argument, and New Yorkers are savvy enough to know it, and reject it.
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I think you have that backwards. A few months ago Bernie started the smear campaign against Hillary. But if you do the research and look at the facts, it is Bernie who has been dishonest. How about simply looking stuff up instead of blindly following?
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Smear campaign? Bernie has continually described Hillary Clinton, as she has been doing for the last 40 yrs., a representative of the establishment and is supported primarily by Super Pacs, lobbyists, and many other influential corporate donors, whom when making policy and voting on legislation, she has shown no propensity at all to vote against her corporate supporters. She is anything but a progressive democrat.
Call it what you like, but, when all Sanders is doing is laying out the facts about Hillarys political history, voting record and judgment, the TRUTH is anything but a smear campaign.
Call it what you like, but, when all Sanders is doing is laying out the facts about Hillarys political history, voting record and judgment, the TRUTH is anything but a smear campaign.
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Why is the font for the title of the article on Cruz's win nearly twice as large as the title of the article on Sanders' win? Does NYT want to convey that the GOP race is that much more important? There has been months of this lopsided emphasis and amount of coverage on the GOP.
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I never thought I would feel this way yet I'm as tired of Sanders as I am of Trump. Either of them in the White House would be a travesty. They simply don't have the right stuff for that serious job that requires relevant experience and a broad range of knowledge. President Obama once commented that Hillary Clinton could take over that job from day one. I believe him. Who better than he would know who's best suited to be his replacement.
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Oh look, NYT pick on Sanders-bashing. Again. Must be such a coincidence.
On the substance (which you provided none): the man has experience governing, and governing effectively. Yes, the town he was a mature of was relatively small, but he was a very effective mayor nonetheless, going against, wink-wink, obstructionist city council. The man has decades of experience in congress on top of that. To throw him in the same pile with Trump is asinine.
On the substance (which you provided none): the man has experience governing, and governing effectively. Yes, the town he was a mature of was relatively small, but he was a very effective mayor nonetheless, going against, wink-wink, obstructionist city council. The man has decades of experience in congress on top of that. To throw him in the same pile with Trump is asinine.
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Name one time Hillary showed good judgement, one time she took a career risk and stood by her principles against the political winds, and one actual accomplishment.... Bet you can't.
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If you don't want any change, that may be right. A lot of us are extremely dissatisfied w/the recent behavior of the Democratic Party. It's become a party of wusses who fear change and bow down to the Republicans. It's no longer the Progressive party I grew up with; it left me. I didn't leave it. I think Obama has done a great job, given what he's had to work with, but I have no respect for Hillary. I don't believe she did Obama good service as his S o S.
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I believe that Sanders will do well in Oregon in May. I'm happy that I get the chance to vote for him.
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you know it, Steve!
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We can tell that Hillary knows the people are with Bernie
and that his overwhelming primary wins are significant.
Hillary is making nasty remarks and lying about Bernie.
and that his overwhelming primary wins are significant.
Hillary is making nasty remarks and lying about Bernie.
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Really? How has she lied about Bernie? Give me an example and I will point you to an independent fact check site or two and you can look for yourself as to who is lying.
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And so are the Clintonbots in the comments section of this article. They seem particularly nasty, bitter, and scared today.
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Here's three examples of Hillary's lies, Little Pegs:
She has stated he's a gun nut on several occasions, despite the fact that the NRA gives him a D-minus rating.
She stated he voted against the auto bailout, despite the fact that it was packaged as a small part of the Wall Street bailout, which, of course, Hillary supported.
She state he opposes the ACA, when, in fact, he supports a much better option - NATIONAL HEALTHCARE.
Have fun with those, Little Pegs...
She has stated he's a gun nut on several occasions, despite the fact that the NRA gives him a D-minus rating.
She stated he voted against the auto bailout, despite the fact that it was packaged as a small part of the Wall Street bailout, which, of course, Hillary supported.
She state he opposes the ACA, when, in fact, he supports a much better option - NATIONAL HEALTHCARE.
Have fun with those, Little Pegs...
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On the use and misuse of racial categories: according to exit polls, about 7 out of ten blacks voted for Clinton. That means three out of ten voted for Sanders. One may reasonably assume that the distribution of that vote by age was similar to the overall distribution by age. It thus appears that Sanders got something like half of young black voters. Surely it will be recognized that this is really significant. And just as surely we should notice a kind of soft racism in the ease with which media speaks so blithely of Clinton's "firewall", as if the entire black population is a homogeneous mass to be taken for granted. A good project for an enterprising journalist (or sociologist) would be to negate this racist epistemology and take a close look at the sociological and cultural diversity among black primary voters. (At last! A non-euphemistic use of that word "diversity"!)
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Bernie supporters say they think he is honest.
But he hasn't been. He not only voted for, but cosponsored, S. Res 85 in 2011 calling for regime change in Libya. He also voted for regime change in Iraq in the late 1998.
Bernie misrepresented Hillary's fossil fuel contributions and received 3 Pinocchio's from the Washington Post. NYT fact check, PolitiFact, and FactCheck also show he has more than exaggerated that one and then he asks Hillary to apologize. Disgraceful. The republicans have received more than 97% of fossil fuel contributions.
Bernie says he will be tough on Wall Street, but could not even say how in an interview with the NY Daily News and could not even mention how that all even works or where anyone else fell short in the past on reform, yet he criticizes others relentlessly on a topic he clearly knows very little about and has not even bothered to research.
He has great rhetoric, but that is as far as it goes. he does not seem to have any idea at all how to achieve his loft goals. Makes you wonder who is writing his so-called plans on his website and elsewhere.
But he hasn't been. He not only voted for, but cosponsored, S. Res 85 in 2011 calling for regime change in Libya. He also voted for regime change in Iraq in the late 1998.
Bernie misrepresented Hillary's fossil fuel contributions and received 3 Pinocchio's from the Washington Post. NYT fact check, PolitiFact, and FactCheck also show he has more than exaggerated that one and then he asks Hillary to apologize. Disgraceful. The republicans have received more than 97% of fossil fuel contributions.
Bernie says he will be tough on Wall Street, but could not even say how in an interview with the NY Daily News and could not even mention how that all even works or where anyone else fell short in the past on reform, yet he criticizes others relentlessly on a topic he clearly knows very little about and has not even bothered to research.
He has great rhetoric, but that is as far as it goes. he does not seem to have any idea at all how to achieve his loft goals. Makes you wonder who is writing his so-called plans on his website and elsewhere.
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Please go and check that hit piece WP did on Sanders. In it, they CONCEDE all of the points, that yes, she took money from oil, and, more importantly, from lobbyists who bundled money for her. Then they proceed to say that, oh, the roughly $4 M that she got is such a small percentage of all of the contributions to her, and based on that, give 3 Pinocchios. WHAT? The fact that she took a ton of money from other special interests doesn't excuse her from the fact the she took from oil, in fact, it makes it look even worse.
Please understand, regular employees from oil are free to donate to whomever they like, and some have donated to Sanders (a much smaller amount). But when you have bundling by lobbyists, that's not regular employees. That's a concerted effort by the industry to buy influence.
Please understand, regular employees from oil are free to donate to whomever they like, and some have donated to Sanders (a much smaller amount). But when you have bundling by lobbyists, that's not regular employees. That's a concerted effort by the industry to buy influence.
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Worth remembering that Bill Clinton had to fight to get Democrats to support Nafta.
In many ways, Sanders is simply advocating what used to be solid Democratic values, before our middle class was decimated.
In many ways, Sanders is simply advocating what used to be solid Democratic values, before our middle class was decimated.
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And yet he can't quite articulate what these trade deals even do or how they work.
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Look around you, Peg... The rich are richer and the poor are poorer and the middle class is disappearing... THAT is how bad trade deals work...
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There is a lot of good research on trade deals and they are not the main cause or even a large cause of the problem with declining US wages (why Trump is also using this same bit of propaganda).
These trade deals could be much better however.
Overall US employment has not declined after trade deals, even now we are close to full employment.
The main cause of a reduced middle class has to do with wages (and a minimum wage that has not increased with inflation) and a decline in unions. The main reason is that unions have gone out of favor in since the Reagan years. Otherwise, as manufacturing jobs left, we could have unionized other non-exportable jobs.
Places like Denmark, that Bernie likes to use as an example have very open economies and do not restrict trade, but 2/3 of employees are unionized. We could have stronger min wage laws in the USA.
I'd also throw in the cost of housing (people have been hiding billions in US real estate driving up prices)
I really wish Bernie supporters would do some independent research.
They seem to really care about important issues, so I believe they are quite capable of putting in the time and energy but have been putting all of their energy into blindly following someone who is not very knowledgeable and who is repeating a lot of popular old wives takes.
They are being lead to bark up some very wrong trees by someone who is passionate, but also quite lacking in knowledge.
These trade deals could be much better however.
Overall US employment has not declined after trade deals, even now we are close to full employment.
The main cause of a reduced middle class has to do with wages (and a minimum wage that has not increased with inflation) and a decline in unions. The main reason is that unions have gone out of favor in since the Reagan years. Otherwise, as manufacturing jobs left, we could have unionized other non-exportable jobs.
Places like Denmark, that Bernie likes to use as an example have very open economies and do not restrict trade, but 2/3 of employees are unionized. We could have stronger min wage laws in the USA.
I'd also throw in the cost of housing (people have been hiding billions in US real estate driving up prices)
I really wish Bernie supporters would do some independent research.
They seem to really care about important issues, so I believe they are quite capable of putting in the time and energy but have been putting all of their energy into blindly following someone who is not very knowledgeable and who is repeating a lot of popular old wives takes.
They are being lead to bark up some very wrong trees by someone who is passionate, but also quite lacking in knowledge.
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Sanders won but he didn't trounce Clinton, and thats what he needs to do the rest of the way in order to garner the delegates he needs to win.
And once he leaves the states with gun ownership upwards of 30-40%, Sanders support will slough off and Student Loan Debt alone won't get him elected.
It's his cageyness that's got him this far into this election cycle, tying the gun owners and the Millennials, especially those up to their ears in Student loan debt, to his cause. Most of the Millennials didn't know Bernie Sanders from Colonel Sanders a year ago. And the gun owners, he's been throwing bones their way since the early nineties to keep getting elected, specifically picking the Brady Bill to vote against every time it came up, something pretty innocent looking to the non gun owner crowd. Almost half of his home state of Vermont are gun owners. Now he's on each Primary State's gun owner's radar and it's paying off. These gun owner types are pretty much one issue voters.
But he's going to have to not just win every state, but with margins of 65%-35% the rest of the way out if he hopes to win it all.
And once he leaves the states with gun ownership upwards of 30-40%, Sanders support will slough off and Student Loan Debt alone won't get him elected.
It's his cageyness that's got him this far into this election cycle, tying the gun owners and the Millennials, especially those up to their ears in Student loan debt, to his cause. Most of the Millennials didn't know Bernie Sanders from Colonel Sanders a year ago. And the gun owners, he's been throwing bones their way since the early nineties to keep getting elected, specifically picking the Brady Bill to vote against every time it came up, something pretty innocent looking to the non gun owner crowd. Almost half of his home state of Vermont are gun owners. Now he's on each Primary State's gun owner's radar and it's paying off. These gun owner types are pretty much one issue voters.
But he's going to have to not just win every state, but with margins of 65%-35% the rest of the way out if he hopes to win it all.
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56-57%. Not 65. Reported by everyone, including NYT.
And every state he won since Arizona has passed that mark.
And every state he won since Arizona has passed that mark.
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merc,
even this paper is using the 57% target
You must think that the super-delegates cannot move.
It wasn't the case when HRC lost in 2008 with a similar super-delegate count.
I can feel your pain, really.
even this paper is using the 57% target
You must think that the super-delegates cannot move.
It wasn't the case when HRC lost in 2008 with a similar super-delegate count.
I can feel your pain, really.
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How did this comment come to be a NYT Pick out of the 1571 comments so far appearing here? What is it about this comment that makes it stand out as such an exemplar of reason and eloquence that justifies such singling out? And please, if Sanders' 56.6% to Clinton's 43% isn't a trouncing - especially in a state in which he was trailing by up to 40 points not so long ago - then what on earth is?
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Perhaps the citizens of each state should be asking the "Super Delegates" of their state to support their candidate. These "Super Delegates" are often elected Senators or Representatives. They have no problem asking for our votes, they should have no problem having their constituencies asking them to support the candidate they want supported and elected. And, if they fail to support your candidate, then you can choose to not vote for them in the next election. These "Super Delegates" pledge and support a candidate before the Primary season even begins, in effect, crowning the winner before the race. So, hold the Super Delegates accountable to your point of view. Find out who are the Super Delegates representing your state and let them know your views. Let them know how you would like them represent your State.
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Maybe Hillary can now run out and give a couple of top secret "speeches" to Goldman Sachs executives to counter Bernie's 6 million small contributors...
After all, it was reported that she was attending a "fund raiser" last night in NY City while the results in Wisconsin were unfolding...
After all, it was reported that she was attending a "fund raiser" last night in NY City while the results in Wisconsin were unfolding...
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Why won't Bernie release all of his tax returns for the last 20 years? What has he released? 1 year, 2 at most? Hillary Clinton has released 23 years' of tax returns. If you think giving a speech somewhere makes someone unqualified to be President then you don't understand the Job of President - Presidents make speeches all over the world all the time often to people who don't agree with them.
I'm pretty sure Bernie has invested in Wall Street. I have. Many many Americans invest money. That doesn't make them bad people. Sure, the system's rigged in favor of the 1%, I get it, but that doesn't mean that everyone who invests is a bad person, or that everyone who works on Wall Street is a bad person. Or that someone who gives a speech on Wall Street is evil. The US economy needs wall street. It's part of our economy. It's time to let this non-issue die.
I'm pretty sure Bernie has invested in Wall Street. I have. Many many Americans invest money. That doesn't make them bad people. Sure, the system's rigged in favor of the 1%, I get it, but that doesn't mean that everyone who invests is a bad person, or that everyone who works on Wall Street is a bad person. Or that someone who gives a speech on Wall Street is evil. The US economy needs wall street. It's part of our economy. It's time to let this non-issue die.
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If Bernie makes it to the general election. He will need super Pac support. Otherwise right-wing/conservative/Republican money with grind him into the ground. Small contributions won't suffice in the end.
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Get over it. I'm proud that Secretary Clinton gave speeches to Goldman execs--who else should be talking to such guys? Other bankers? Republicans? Socialists who can't understand the banking system or Dodd Frank? I hope she made an impact on them and make them see they must be connected to the whole world. She is an inspiration when it comes to dialogue and reaching across divides. Bernie is so negative, so full of vitriol and bile, that all he can do is scream. Bernie supporters are ruining the Democratic party and he isn't even a Democrat but a spoiler/traitor like his predecessor Jim Jeffords.
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Go Bernie! - you are speaking to your audience as if they are there not just in the mirror in your make-up room. You're worried about the people in front of you - not your hair.
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Bernie is too angry.
People like George W. Bush because, however improbably, he is a happy guy.
Bernie did not crack even one smile in his victory speech last night, and that thing he does with his tongue is reptilian.
People like George W. Bush because, however improbably, he is a happy guy.
Bernie did not crack even one smile in his victory speech last night, and that thing he does with his tongue is reptilian.
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The electorate is angry this year. Very different than previous cycles...
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Yeah, that explains why Trump and Cruz are the ones leading the pack in the Republican primaries, right?
If "happy guy" was the defining prerequisite this time around, Jim Gilmore would be the de facto Republican candidate just about now.
If "happy guy" was the defining prerequisite this time around, Jim Gilmore would be the de facto Republican candidate just about now.
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I think you're confusing anger with passion.
And from what you say it seems that you think that the best president would be a happy, likable guy. Like Bozo the clown. And by the way, I've turned over a lot of rocks and not found many who "like" George Bush, incompetent happy guy that he is.
And from what you say it seems that you think that the best president would be a happy, likable guy. Like Bozo the clown. And by the way, I've turned over a lot of rocks and not found many who "like" George Bush, incompetent happy guy that he is.
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I am neither young (64) nor white, yet I voted for Sen. Sanders in my state’s Democratic presidential preference poll, and I am certain substantial numbers in Wisconsin and elsewhere in the nation similarly diverge from the overly simplistic -- and, I think, unhealthy -- racial narrative which news outlets apparently feel compelled to voice. When do we get to the point where it’s Americans who are voting? If Secretary Clinton wins the nomination, is she the black/Hispanic candidate? And what should we take from the fact that she won Milwaukee by only 52-48? That some blacks voted for Sen. Sanders but, you know, they’re the ones who think like white people?
I think this sort of parsing arises because much of the news media, as in 2008, was spectacularly wrong in its assumptions of how the Democratic contest would proceed and, in seeking explanations, is casting actual outcomes as an anomaly when, in fact, it’s just reality. To use a sports analogy, that’s why we play the game. I don’t read newspapers to be told what’s going to happen, which strikes me as presumptuous. I assume the act of my standing in line to vote still matters.
One other thing: Hawaii voted for Sen. Sanders by a 70-30 margin. I expect our superdelegates to respect that overwhelming outcome and not make a mockery of the process.
I think this sort of parsing arises because much of the news media, as in 2008, was spectacularly wrong in its assumptions of how the Democratic contest would proceed and, in seeking explanations, is casting actual outcomes as an anomaly when, in fact, it’s just reality. To use a sports analogy, that’s why we play the game. I don’t read newspapers to be told what’s going to happen, which strikes me as presumptuous. I assume the act of my standing in line to vote still matters.
One other thing: Hawaii voted for Sen. Sanders by a 70-30 margin. I expect our superdelegates to respect that overwhelming outcome and not make a mockery of the process.
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I think I'm in love w/you-at least your thinking. You are right on target.
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When you click Read More it just takes you back to where you left off, over and over. Please fix.
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That's how the comment section works. Get used to it.
Time to start giving Sanders that press coverage his supporters have been asking for. He will lose those big states coming up by very wide margins.
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@john
I have read so many comments like this, so many times, it begs to ask you Sanders supporters: When is it ever enough???
There are articles, and pictures, and graphs and still you complain! -- get over it.
I have read so many comments like this, so many times, it begs to ask you Sanders supporters: When is it ever enough???
There are articles, and pictures, and graphs and still you complain! -- get over it.
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Hillary has a problem with young voters.
Hillary has a problem with men voters.
Hillary has a problem with white voters.
Hillary has a problem with turnout.
Hillary has a problem.
Hillary has a problem with men voters.
Hillary has a problem with white voters.
Hillary has a problem with turnout.
Hillary has a problem.
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Yes she has about 2 million more votes than Bernie - go figure
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Those are mainly from Southern states and what lies ahead is far friendly territory for Sanders. Let's be real here too. The Democrats aren't going to win the South and a seasoned veteran like Hillary is not palatable to wide layers of her own base. Bernie has the momentum and this race will split wide open if she loses New York. You can criticize Bernie all you want and the press has tried to write him off for weeks but there's no denying he's got the momentum.
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This is such a silly conceit. While technically true, it's propaganda. The nomination process is not like a general election- not all states open up their nomination process to the entire population. During the nomination process, a great many of the states vote in a caucus, thus far fewer people vote than do in an "open primary" state.
This article is shamefully biased. This is just plain bad journalism. Who do you think you are kidding? Using the most transparent props to stir up support for Clinton? The topper though, is the twee picture of Clinton with a child on her lap - shame on you NYT.
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And the baby does not look happy!
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@georgez
Would you look happy with a thousand cameras and strangers in your face????
Would you look happy with a thousand cameras and strangers in your face????
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What is "neoliberalism"? Seems the Clintons and Obama espouse it, but I voted for Bill twice & Obama twice without ever hearing the term. No one applies it to themselves - it's used mainly a club to whomp the Clintons with.
The only definition I can see: "the distance rightward that liberals had to step in order to win major elections after Reagan sent the national compass whirling right."
Watching those events unfold real-time, I saw "triangulation" as an effective short-term strategy for the center-left to keep a toehold on power. The Clinton Presidency was the only peaceful and prosperous period of my adult life.
I've been jolted hearing how people see it in the rearview mirror, stripped of context, as an ugly time, marked by gratuitous, self-serving betrayal of liberal principles. It's impossible to reconcile my own experience with this dark retroactive vision. The Clintons weren't omnipotent, but they were infinitely better than Republicans, and indeed, all progress ended with Gingrich & Bush II.
I lost my first job in the credit union crisis; my best-paid job vanished in the Recession. I'm middle-aged now, financially precarious, insured through my ACA exchange. And I know nothing will get better if voters continue to "punish" the Democratic Party for disappointments by sitting out off-years. It doesn't help! No matter who's President, we'll keep being disappointed until everyone gets involved and STAYS involved -- EVERY election at every level.
The only definition I can see: "the distance rightward that liberals had to step in order to win major elections after Reagan sent the national compass whirling right."
Watching those events unfold real-time, I saw "triangulation" as an effective short-term strategy for the center-left to keep a toehold on power. The Clinton Presidency was the only peaceful and prosperous period of my adult life.
I've been jolted hearing how people see it in the rearview mirror, stripped of context, as an ugly time, marked by gratuitous, self-serving betrayal of liberal principles. It's impossible to reconcile my own experience with this dark retroactive vision. The Clintons weren't omnipotent, but they were infinitely better than Republicans, and indeed, all progress ended with Gingrich & Bush II.
I lost my first job in the credit union crisis; my best-paid job vanished in the Recession. I'm middle-aged now, financially precarious, insured through my ACA exchange. And I know nothing will get better if voters continue to "punish" the Democratic Party for disappointments by sitting out off-years. It doesn't help! No matter who's President, we'll keep being disappointed until everyone gets involved and STAYS involved -- EVERY election at every level.
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"The Clinton Presidency was the only peaceful and prosperous period of my adult life."
But the bitter, jealous, pro-Vietnam war, Republicans can't forgive Bill Clinton for that peace and prosperity.
But the bitter, jealous, pro-Vietnam war, Republicans can't forgive Bill Clinton for that peace and prosperity.
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In the end, Bernie Sanders probably will not get enough delegates for the nomination. But he sure is setting himself up as the VP candidate! If Clinton wins, she's have to be politically suicidal not to ask Sanders to be VP: his being on the ticket would mollify most of his supporters, including me, and if Trump or Cruz leads the GOP ticket, Sanders' Senate seat would easily end up occupied by a Democrat or left-leaning independent. Win-win.
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I hope Clinton chooses one of the Castro brothers from Texas.
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You would want an angry, red-faced, finger-jabbing 75-year-old a heartbeat (!) away from the presidency? That would "mollify" you?
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If Bernie doesn't get the Dem nomination, I think he could do more if he stayed in the Senate, with Warren. We need all the liberal senators we can get.
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So Sanders yet again demonstrates his ability to win votes among white males? So what? The Democrats needs someone at the top of the ticket in November who can appeal to a more diverse cross section of voters. This is not Bernie.
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If you have not noticed recently, blacks make up only 12 percent of the total population of America which is still predominately white, so the idea that when he wins it is only white voters that vote for him is preposterous. Also, when it comes to diversity and a cross section of voters that voted for Sanders, the political pundits in Wisconsin would disagree with you.
Actually, Clinton's support among non-white voters is plummeting.
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Bernie got 48% of the vote in Milwaukee, which is 40% black. So much for Hillary's "firewall."
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Like the republicans, it doesn't matter what the popular vote is. It's all about the delegates. They are the ones who elect their candidate. Doesn't matter how many more primaries Bernie wins, Hillary already has the delegate votes. She will be the nominee.
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Thank you for your information. So many (Sanders' supports) are ill-informed. Their 1st rodeo.
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Except she doesn't. They haven't voted, don't forget that.
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I still think Sen. Sanders is a Democrat in name only.
Question for the upcoming debate in NY. Sen. Sanders, what have you specifically done to date to help down-ballot democratic candidates who will have to defeat Republican incumbents (or retain their seats) in order to give you the majority you will need to effect your policy proposals? For example, how much money have you helped raise for their campaigns?
Question for the upcoming debate in NY. Sen. Sanders, what have you specifically done to date to help down-ballot democratic candidates who will have to defeat Republican incumbents (or retain their seats) in order to give you the majority you will need to effect your policy proposals? For example, how much money have you helped raise for their campaigns?
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HC evokes strongly negative reactions in many voters. It is just as likely that she will hurt the Party's chances as help.
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Congressmen already spend too much time fundraising for their "party." Campaign finance reform. We need it and Bernie is the only candidate out there supporting it.
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This is the latest Clinton attack line. After running since Feb 1!
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I just like him.
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A lot of people liked GWB more than Gore and voted for GWB for that reason. Remember? They'd prefer to have a beer with George. Worked out real well didn't it.
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Congratulations, Senator Sanders! And to the Bernie supporters who are disenchanted with the super delegates coronation of Clinton, I urge you to find out who those Super Delegates are in your state (often U.S. Senators and Representatives) and ask them to support and vote for your candidate. They have no problem asking you for your vote, they should have no problem with you asking for theirs.
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Even w/out SD, Clinton is winning.
HRC has given and worked for the DNC most her life. She has doanted almost $4million campaign dollars to the Victory fund to help other Dems get elected.
Sanders has been a Dem for 11 months and given zero to the DNC or Victory fund. Why should the SD support him. NOT EVERYONE FEELS THE BERN.
HRC has given and worked for the DNC most her life. She has doanted almost $4million campaign dollars to the Victory fund to help other Dems get elected.
Sanders has been a Dem for 11 months and given zero to the DNC or Victory fund. Why should the SD support him. NOT EVERYONE FEELS THE BERN.
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Oh, but they shouldn't. I don't think they should support anyone. I'd like them to know that if they dare try to overturn the will of the voters, the Dems will lose big time; the party will be fractured.
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I am so sad about this. So very very sad. I truly with all my heart want Bernie to drop out. For so many reasons, not the least of which is he monumentally unqualified for the job of POTUS.
Please Bernie -- you've made your statement. Now, let Hillary DO HER JOB and focus on beating the stuffing out of the republican field.
Please Bernie -- you've made your statement. Now, let Hillary DO HER JOB and focus on beating the stuffing out of the republican field.
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Her job? Are we talking about the one in which she voted for the war in Iraq, or the one where she singlehandedly turned Lybia into an ISIS haven?
...Oh, you want her to have an even more important job? Yikes....
...Oh, you want her to have an even more important job? Yikes....
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I agree with you 100%
I swear Clinton supports are willfully ignoring facts. Poll after poll afte poll shows Sanders beatning all of the remaning GOP candidates by a larger margin than Clinton.
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So, Sanders beat Clinton by 13.5%, or 135,000 votes. Wisconsin has 72 counties and Clinton won only a SINGLE(!) county in the entire state, and the county she won, she won by less than 4%, but out of 86 delegates, she some how ends up with only 9 less than Sanders? Makes perfect sense. The DNC isn't even trying to be fair. They really, really, really want Clinton to be the nominee.
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I saw Debbie Wasserman Schultz on the Daily Show with Trevor Noah on Tuesday. Try as she might, there was no sincerity in her claim that the best candidate would prevail.
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Sanders and Clinton won their delegates in exact proportion to the percentages of the votes that they received. Nothing else matters and I strongly doubt that the DNC is trying or not trying to be fair. The rules would have been in place for many years. As far as I can tell as far back to the aftermath of the Chicago convention in 1968. You don't like it? Get involved in Democratic politics and change the rules. Until your complaint is meaningless.
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HRC has been a lifetime Democrat. Has raised money for Democrats. Has recently given almost $4million dollars of her campaign contributions to the Victory fund which helps other Dems get elect.
And Sanders? He's been a Dem for 11 months and given zero to the DNC and Victory fund.
It's not about fairness, it is about loyalty.
Also, please learn how our electoral process works.
And Sanders? He's been a Dem for 11 months and given zero to the DNC and Victory fund.
It's not about fairness, it is about loyalty.
Also, please learn how our electoral process works.
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The race is "prolonged" for Mrs. Clinton?
Before many voters in NY and California and other states get to weigh in?
Hmmm.
Before many voters in NY and California and other states get to weigh in?
Hmmm.
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The more voters hear from Clinton, they less they like her. They are not drinking the Kool-Aid. Bernie has authenticity and integrity. Clinton doesn't. No amount of PR, endorsements, and super delegates can change that. Voters are tired of being played and want a system that works for them, not just the billionaires. GO BERNIE!
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Go, Bernie! Many congrats on another victory in Wisconsin. Thanks for the article, NYT; are you guys starting to feel the bern??? I hope so, because IT FEELS SO GOOD!
(I'm loving the picture of the poor baby Hills is holding, LOL.)
(I'm loving the picture of the poor baby Hills is holding, LOL.)
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Sanders made an excellent point in that Daily News interview. One that goes to the heart of income inequality in the USA well beyond his demonizing of banks and corporations. It's that the right wing has done everything they can to eradicate labor unions. Thing is Bernie can't organize workplaces for people. They have to do it themselves. I don't see this generation of Bernie Bros. and Sisters having the chutzpah to unionize all the different places they work. If they want income equality they will have to fight for it like their ancestors did, not expect a little old Senator from Vermont to give it to them.
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Well Doug, I hope you enjoy your ride on your assumptions as you trot off into the sunset. I have no idea where you came up with that, but it is not in any reporting I have seen or heard. Is this just wishful thinking on your part so that you can continue supporting Hillary?
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Sanders has won six resounding victories in four different areas of the United States. In several states, his opponent has scarcely won a precinct. Yesterday in Wisconsin, Clinton won only three districts, only one of which has any significance.
Political observers at all levels should begin to take this political movement seriously and try to understand both what is going on and why the commentators were so terribly blind-sided by the emergence of a left-wing candidate.
Above all, it is the moment to try to imagine a self-confident electorate, fed up with the horrible consequences of 45 years of conservatism and neo-liberalism, willing to invest the time and money to reorient the social programs of the country--better education, better, medical care, and better infrastructure. No more unnecessary wars, torture, and economic inequality.
Political observers at all levels should begin to take this political movement seriously and try to understand both what is going on and why the commentators were so terribly blind-sided by the emergence of a left-wing candidate.
Above all, it is the moment to try to imagine a self-confident electorate, fed up with the horrible consequences of 45 years of conservatism and neo-liberalism, willing to invest the time and money to reorient the social programs of the country--better education, better, medical care, and better infrastructure. No more unnecessary wars, torture, and economic inequality.
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We will get better infrastructure when the democrats drop their demands that all infrastructure repair work be done only by "prevailing wage" union workers who in turn will than kickback most of their union dues to the democrats. Perhaps it is time to drop the pro-union "prevailing wage" requirement.
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Sanders can't deliver.
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Go Bernie, White House ahoy!
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He doesn't and won't have the delegate count. AHOY!
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Bernie Sanders is everything I want in a presidential candidate, understanding, empathetic, tough-minded and change-minded.
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And old. Very old.
And with no accomplishments in his long career as a politician.
And with no policies (as the Daily News interview makes clear).
And with no accomplishments in his long career as a politician.
And with no policies (as the Daily News interview makes clear).
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Amen. You will love this interview:
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/bernie-sanders-interviewed-by-...
Spike Lee: Do you think that Mrs. Hillary Clinton has an advantage with her relationship with President Obama? I mean, what is your relationship with the president?
Bernie: It's a good relationship. But let me be very straight about this: This president will go down in history as one of the smartest presidents. Brilliant guy. And especially the more people hear from the Republicans, the smarter they think he is. (Laughter.) But he is also incredibly disciplined and focused. You're around the media every single day, and you have the opportunity to say dumb things — he does it very, very rarely. He is very focused. He came to Vermont to campaign for me way back in 2006. I worked on his elections in 2008 and 2012 and just was in the Oval Office a couple of months ago. So we have a very positive and, I think, friendly relationship. Is he closer to Hillary Clinton? I suspect. She was his secretary of state for four years.
http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/features/bernie-sanders-interviewed-by-...
Spike Lee: Do you think that Mrs. Hillary Clinton has an advantage with her relationship with President Obama? I mean, what is your relationship with the president?
Bernie: It's a good relationship. But let me be very straight about this: This president will go down in history as one of the smartest presidents. Brilliant guy. And especially the more people hear from the Republicans, the smarter they think he is. (Laughter.) But he is also incredibly disciplined and focused. You're around the media every single day, and you have the opportunity to say dumb things — he does it very, very rarely. He is very focused. He came to Vermont to campaign for me way back in 2006. I worked on his elections in 2008 and 2012 and just was in the Oval Office a couple of months ago. So we have a very positive and, I think, friendly relationship. Is he closer to Hillary Clinton? I suspect. She was his secretary of state for four years.
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As a Times subscriber for years, I've been disappointed in your coverage of Sanders' campaign. Of course there has been the 'blackout', the dismissive attitude of opinion pieces, but a lot of it has to do with editing, sometimes in the small bits of tweaking: For starters, I would suggest in describing one of the reasons for Sanders' momentum, maybe try "economic message" instead of "economic populism". One is descriptive of a serious campaign. The other is more accurately descriptive of bluster without serious substance. That choice of wording tells me that even though you're bowing, by force of the popular vote, to start to cover Sanders' campaign seriously, you still harbor some bias. The problem with that is, the bias is actually dismissing a very large block of the thoughtful, educated voting public along with it. This is a neck-and-neck nomination fight, and Secretary Clinton simply isn't proving to be as strong a candidate as more widely perceived by some media outlets. Maybe we can start serving the public by look at this guy for real.
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It really could have been spun better for Sanders - "Sanders on the road to victory!" just for example. And there was only a SINGLE mention of Wall Street speeches!
Boy it is really hard to make Sanders fans happy!
Boy it is really hard to make Sanders fans happy!
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@CBC : Ha. I see your point. But I did notice that in the later digital edition of the same story, "populism" was replaced with "message". Someone else probably saw it - I was just pointing out the editorially obvious. NOW I'm happy.
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According to this article exit polling showed that 6 in 10 Democratic voters considered Hillary honest and trustworthy. I'd like to meet the 6 because there's a bridge I'd like to sell and the price is simply amazing. Go Bernie!
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I consider her honest and trustworthy. Most of the attacks on Hillary Clinton have come from Republican hatchet jobs, with the Koch brothers vowing to spend close to one billion dollars attacking her. Benghazi was nonsense: no previous Secretary of State has been held accountable for embassy security issues. The email scandal is also ridiculous. Millions of emails were deleted by Bush administration officials with no penalty. Previous secretaries of state used their private email accounts. None of the emails in the Clinton case were then classified; her server was not hacked, and these were communications with others with high security clearance from a household with Secret Service protection for the former president.
Basically this has always been a witch hunt and swiftboating by political operatives with lots of dark money thrown at it.
Basically this has always been a witch hunt and swiftboating by political operatives with lots of dark money thrown at it.
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Senator Sanders just won Wisconsin by 56%, and your front page has four stories about the Republican who lost?
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What's yur count? The Rep race is closer. Sanders won 56% but Clinton still has a commanding lead. Is that the story you want to see?
I guess they can't handle the truth
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What a grudging news article about sanders success, NYT! You still make it more about Madam Clinton than about the clear w9n for senator sanders. lets have some better reportage, please! Voters need it. And It is time that the NYT pays heed, not to a defeated Clinton but to a successful Sanders.
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@Berdehevsky
Excusez-moi. But how do you arrive at the conclusion that Clinton is "defeated"
when there are so many states that have yet to have their Primaries???
And New York, is one of them. Don't count your chickens.....
Excusez-moi. But how do you arrive at the conclusion that Clinton is "defeated"
when there are so many states that have yet to have their Primaries???
And New York, is one of them. Don't count your chickens.....
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He's totally irrelevant.
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Maybe because Sanders is not a success story. Clinton still has a commanding lead, do you want that story?
I will give you a pass, because like many Sanders' supporters you obviously don't know how the electoral process works in the US.
I will give you a pass, because like many Sanders' supporters you obviously don't know how the electoral process works in the US.
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After Bernie's 14 point win tonight, things remain as tough for him as ever.
Obama beat Clinton by 17 points in Wisconsin, Bernie needed to win by 16 points in order to catch up to Hillary's 200+ delegate lead.
In order to overtake Hillary, from now on, Bernie needs to win ALL of the rest of the states by 58%. Put another way, we need to imagine that he will win NY by 58%, California by 58%.
NY and California have blacks, unlike Wisconsin.
Obama beat Clinton by 17 points in Wisconsin, Bernie needed to win by 16 points in order to catch up to Hillary's 200+ delegate lead.
In order to overtake Hillary, from now on, Bernie needs to win ALL of the rest of the states by 58%. Put another way, we need to imagine that he will win NY by 58%, California by 58%.
NY and California have blacks, unlike Wisconsin.
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No black people in Wisconsin? Could have fooled me.
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At the end of this article, they mention Bernie's meeting with the Daily News Editorial board, but failed to go into the specifics of the "grilling" Bernie received, which demonstrated that was the Daily News board didn't understand the difference between the Treasury Dept and the Federal Reserve.
And as for reappearance of the "Sandy Hook" tragedy, I have to wonder how much HillaryInc paid the Daily News to run this tale today?
And as for reappearance of the "Sandy Hook" tragedy, I have to wonder how much HillaryInc paid the Daily News to run this tale today?
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Sandy Hook was a real tragedy, and has not "disappeared" for many of us. It will never disappear for me: so many beautiful children were murdered that day. This is not about politics, it is about life and death. Please do not dismiss the massacre in this way.
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Hillary lost every county in the entire state except for Milwaukee county. Nuff said.
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Yes. You are absolutely correct. "Nuff said" about the state of Wisconsin...but guess what?? There are still a few more states to go.
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And she barely won Milwaukee County.
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88% white population. Nuff said.
Sanders cannot win where all Americans are represented including minorities.
Sanders cannot win where all Americans are represented including minorities.
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Go Bernie Go!
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I guess that the New York Time would have called FDR an "economic populist" if he had dared to compete with Hillary...
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Actually, I think FDR WAS an economic populist!
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the times and other papers keep covering the dem primary as if it was a winner take all contest. it should be covering it as a proportional rep. primary where the dynamics are totally different. i know it makes better headlines and seems like a tighter race the other way but its not an accurate way to cover the story. its kind of a lazy way to lay out the whole primary, just using the winner take all format used in most GOP primaries and in most american elections, and overlaying it on the dem primary.
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I am afraid Bernie Sanders is increasingly availing himself of the power of populism where sound bites and platitudes replace measured discourse. In the Daily News interview he said all the things his followers want to hear. The “feel the Bern” cry sounds uncannily like the one Donald Trump his hearing from his own legions of uninformed adherents. The simplistic, even slightly shrill tone of Sanders in the interview, particularly about the break-up of the big banks frankly, was astoundingly naive.
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When asked by a local newpaper editorial board how he would break up the banks, Sanders could not provide an answer.
Sanders is a college freshman in a 74-year-old body. Free college! Free healthcare! Tax the rich! No nukes! No fracking! Wall Street! Big Oil! Close Indian Point! (which provides 25% of New York City's electricity).
Sorry Sanders supporters. A lot of hot air, with very little substance.
Sanders is a college freshman in a 74-year-old body. Free college! Free healthcare! Tax the rich! No nukes! No fracking! Wall Street! Big Oil! Close Indian Point! (which provides 25% of New York City's electricity).
Sorry Sanders supporters. A lot of hot air, with very little substance.
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Sure, Indian Point is terrific. It's dumping tritium into the Hudson River by the barrelful, but it's absolutely wonderful.
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A win for true progressives! Now the stage is set for New York ! It will be a referendum on two fronts: 1) will true New Yorkers validate her years as Senator and as a presidential candidate; and 2) will New York welcome back its native son and grant him further life for his presidential bid. Despite her delegate lead, mostly through a fixed and rigged primary season, Sanders has the momentum and an audience eager to hear his message. With Sanders we see a genuine candidate along with his genuine accent. I wonder will Hillary feign a New York accent much like her put on Southern accent while in the South!
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Thanks for pointing this out George Xanich. Yesterday I listened to HRC's 1980 tapes & her pronounced southern accent stunned me more than the content--she sounds nothing like that today and "fer sure" didn't have a southern accent in Chicago or while at Yale. Left OH @20 to 3yrs in Richmond VA & another 10+ years working in other southern states...my accent or lack of one didn't change at least thats what my OH neighbors say today. Yeah I'm not a politician and HRC is just so susceptible.
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Sanders has overwhelmed Clinton in the last seven contests and in Wisconsin, his margin of victory over Clinton (13.3%) was greater than Cruz's over Trump (13.1%) yet Cruz "soundly defeated" Trump while Sanders just "defeated" Clinton. Sanders adverb disadvantage is just one of numerous Times subtle and not so subtle anti-Sanders bias. The Times has just not been fair. For example, the ridiculous critique of Sanders that the Times and Ms. Chozick's article quotes is Sanders subway fare comment to the NY Daily News "... He was even stumped about how to ride the New York City subway. “You get a token and you get in,” he said, even though tokens were long ago replaced by MetroCards." I suspect that Sanders did the same thing that many of us long-time New Yorkers who have actually used the subway and at one time paid with a token, he misspoke. However, I wonder if Ms. Clinton, the Chappaqua resident since 1999, ever used a token or a fare card? That would be a fair fare question?
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Thank you Wisconsin!
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Bill Clinton tried hard to campaign for Hillary but he simply could not fill up rooms with people http://www.theamericanmirror.com/photo-bill-clinton-struggles-to-fill-ro...
We ALL crave for change from the Clintons, we deserve change.
We ALL crave for change from the Clintons, we deserve change.
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Congratulations Bernie. I love everything Bernie's policy. But I also know these promises will not be fulfilled. We do not elect a king or one party rule. Most of the voters in general elections are in the middle or middle right. They will not vote for a self declared socialist. To keep his promise like free college tuition, interest free student loan, free healthcare etc., Bernie has to increase tax and borrow money from China. Bernie is a new Democrat ( a life long independent ) and I hope he will not be a spoiler.
Sanders winning the nomination would "overturn the will of the voters"? Excuse me, but the "will of the voters" should determine delegate pledges, not the other way around.
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Bernie Sanders is not a Democrat. I'm a Democrat, have been a registered party member my entire life. I find it grating that Senator Sanders is running as a Democrat. He isn't one! All of his supporters who vow "Bernie or Bust" are foolish if they equate Clinton with Cruz, Kasich or Trump.
Senator Sanders sounded foolish in the Daily news interview. I read the entire transcript, have you?
Wild promises (Walls! Free College! Break up the Banks!) are juvenile and frankly the American people should know better. True policy isn't sexy, but it keeps your lights on, your mail delivered, and your potholes filled.
Senator Sanders sounded foolish in the Daily news interview. I read the entire transcript, have you?
Wild promises (Walls! Free College! Break up the Banks!) are juvenile and frankly the American people should know better. True policy isn't sexy, but it keeps your lights on, your mail delivered, and your potholes filled.
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It is well known that American politicians can be bought, legally. Here is a great opportunity peasants can now "buy" our own politician and it only cost you $27. You don't have to be a billionaire to own a politician, not anymore.
If you are not a billionaire then why would you vote for a politician bought by billionaires?
So, what are you waiting for? Give Bernie $27 and have a politician that would work you you!
If you are not a billionaire then why would you vote for a politician bought by billionaires?
So, what are you waiting for? Give Bernie $27 and have a politician that would work you you!
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Let's do keep in mind that so far, Sen. Clinton has received more votes than any other candidate, in either party.
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Clinto talking points Inc.
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In rigged elections w/considerable polling "errors." And in red states, which don't count in the general.
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As a college student in the early 90s, I felt that things in our country were hopeless - both socially (thanks Reagan!) and economically. Then we elected this charismatic "progressive" from Arkansas - and it breathed new life into the Democratic party. When he left office Democrats were wishing he could have a third term. And the amazing Ms. Clinton - the first first lady who also had a brilliant career while raising a child - a role model for this young college student. Judging from the comments here - somewhere along the way narrative has become that Clinton was a terrible President and Ms. Clinton is the devil incarnate. Thank goodness I'm old enough to know different.
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i am tired of hearing how white certain states are as if that is a pejorative. If the inverse were invoked we would be hearing howling to the end of the earth.
News to the diversity crowd:
1 popular vote does not win elections with an elector from Idaho being as good as an elector from Alabama
2 diversity means more than African-American.
Ms Clinton racked up a lot of delegates in Southern states where the percentages of Black voters among Democrats is significantly magnified compared to total voter population percentage.
Race and Hispanic Origin US Census Data 2014
White alone 77.4%
Black or African American alone, 13.2%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone 1.2%
Asian alone 5.4%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone 0.2%
Two or More Races, 2.5%
Hispanic or Latino 17.4%
if you discount 77% of the US population you will not be winning many national elections.
News to the diversity crowd:
1 popular vote does not win elections with an elector from Idaho being as good as an elector from Alabama
2 diversity means more than African-American.
Ms Clinton racked up a lot of delegates in Southern states where the percentages of Black voters among Democrats is significantly magnified compared to total voter population percentage.
Race and Hispanic Origin US Census Data 2014
White alone 77.4%
Black or African American alone, 13.2%
American Indian and Alaska Native alone 1.2%
Asian alone 5.4%
Native Hawaiian and Other Pacific Islander alone 0.2%
Two or More Races, 2.5%
Hispanic or Latino 17.4%
if you discount 77% of the US population you will not be winning many national elections.
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Well written and balanced article that put data in context. Count me as one who thought a Senator Sanders and Mr Trump campaign would be short lived.
I distinctly remember telling my wife, who was concerned about the Donald, "not to worry. The wheels are falling off that bus any minute. All he has to do is open his mouth!"
My impression of a Sanders campaign was a fringe canadicy of an Independant with minimal democratic association. Hillary would run him over without breaking speed an her way to her coronation.
Both did better than expected, with serious heartburn in both parties. The establishment will put the Donald in his place with much consternation. Hillary will outlast Bernie with her superdelagates, who may or may not have been a quid pro quo with state dem parties and the Hillary Victory Fund.
Odd, my biggest takeaway was that 6 out of 10 WI voters found Hillary honest and trustworthy. Most polls this cycle show her underwater.
I distinctly remember telling my wife, who was concerned about the Donald, "not to worry. The wheels are falling off that bus any minute. All he has to do is open his mouth!"
My impression of a Sanders campaign was a fringe canadicy of an Independant with minimal democratic association. Hillary would run him over without breaking speed an her way to her coronation.
Both did better than expected, with serious heartburn in both parties. The establishment will put the Donald in his place with much consternation. Hillary will outlast Bernie with her superdelagates, who may or may not have been a quid pro quo with state dem parties and the Hillary Victory Fund.
Odd, my biggest takeaway was that 6 out of 10 WI voters found Hillary honest and trustworthy. Most polls this cycle show her underwater.
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I deeply believe that Hillary Clinton will be a great President and will get things done. She is much more of a listener and if she is not elected, a great opportunity will be squandered, much like Gore and Muskee.
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Please name some of Hillary's actual accomplishments...
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Wisconsin....if you only channeled all of that enthusiasm during your state elections for Governor and legislature, I can see you as important. You want a progressive like Sanders but have Walker and his Republican legislature running your state to the ground. Sander's victories remain to be wishful thinking on the left progressives to nominate someone they like very much without looking at the General election. Democrats have nominated Progressives and find that the whole country doesn't fall in the same spectrum. Demonizing HRC for your candidate to win only reinforces the same evil you transcribe to HRC. Trustworthiness is a two-way street. The USA is still a world influencer but if your candidate's scope or vision remains domestic and narrow(Wall Street and Income Inequality), our dive towards Isolationism will just increase (no different than Cruz or Trump). Good luck to all of us after this election.
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Here is my message:
Dear DNC,
Please be aware I find the actions of the Democratic Party repulsive when it comes to dishing out the Superdelegates.
The campaign against McConnell to do his job is pure hypocrisy if we can't instruct our Superdelegates to do there job.
Sanders has taken this country by storm, he needs to be recognized as the people's choice. Do not look for the democratic community to support you in stealing Sanders nomination.
DO THE PEOPLE'S JOB, ELECT BERNIE SANDERS AS THE NOMINEE.
Dear DNC,
Please be aware I find the actions of the Democratic Party repulsive when it comes to dishing out the Superdelegates.
The campaign against McConnell to do his job is pure hypocrisy if we can't instruct our Superdelegates to do there job.
Sanders has taken this country by storm, he needs to be recognized as the people's choice. Do not look for the democratic community to support you in stealing Sanders nomination.
DO THE PEOPLE'S JOB, ELECT BERNIE SANDERS AS THE NOMINEE.
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I don't know why it needs to be spelled out over and over, but the DNC's function is getting Democrats elected. Superdelegates are one way that is accomplished. Since Clinton has received millions more votes than Sanders (in other words, she IS the "people's choice" ), she also has hundreds more pledged delegates. If superdelegates went against that,they would be supporting the weaker candidate.
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Trump, Sanders, and Cruz prove that it is game over for corrupt, lifetime politicians who serve the 1%.
Regardless of who wins this election, Americans are never going back now that they have had a taste of pro-labor, not-for-sale candidates.
Regardless of who wins this election, Americans are never going back now that they have had a taste of pro-labor, not-for-sale candidates.
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The picture of the baby with Hillary speaks volumes about her connection to young people.
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That's ridiculous. You think that baby had any idea what was going on?
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Clinton panders to AIPAC and has supported the Iraq war, the war AIPAC and Israel urged us to fight to neutralize Israel's then most hated regime. Bernie voted against invading Iraq. Clinton's position does not serve the cause of justice and peace. It inspires anti-American hate and endangers Americans. Clinton is the handmaid of big donors.
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This may be slightly off-topic, but what I really wish would come to pass would be for Bernie and Hillary to stand together and plead with all their supporters to get to the polls and vote, regardless of whose name is at the top of the ticket. Tell all your people that if they can't stand the person at the top, just leave that line blank, but please, please get to the polls and vote for the rest of the slate. There's a golden opportunity coming up soon - the debate just prior to the New York primary. Come on, guys. Stand together at the close of the debate and plead for the good of the country.
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NYT isn't making any sense with this:
But Wisconsin, with a population that is 88 percent white, does not reflect the larger and more diverse populations of New York and Pennsylvania, more comfortable terrain for Mrs. Clinton. In 2008, Barack Obama defeated Mrs. Clinton in Wisconsin by 17 percentage points.
The implication from the first sentence is that Clinton gets the black vote. Fair enough. But the second sentence goes to the heart of Clinton's problem. An 88% white state gave Obama a margin of 17% points in 2008 over Clinton? That is amazing and indicates to me that there must be a large frustrated left wing constituency in the US who usually have no one to represent them. Exactly the young and the independents who are now voting for Sanders.
But Wisconsin, with a population that is 88 percent white, does not reflect the larger and more diverse populations of New York and Pennsylvania, more comfortable terrain for Mrs. Clinton. In 2008, Barack Obama defeated Mrs. Clinton in Wisconsin by 17 percentage points.
The implication from the first sentence is that Clinton gets the black vote. Fair enough. But the second sentence goes to the heart of Clinton's problem. An 88% white state gave Obama a margin of 17% points in 2008 over Clinton? That is amazing and indicates to me that there must be a large frustrated left wing constituency in the US who usually have no one to represent them. Exactly the young and the independents who are now voting for Sanders.
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The NYT is all in for their "only white people vote for Sanders, ergo he cannot win a general election" mantra. However, the fact is that if Clinton cannot win the "insignificant" white vote, then she cannot, under any circumstance, win the general election. Period.
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I am puzzled that Hillary is getting a free ride on the XL pipeline where the Times keeps reporting she was on the fence etc. Her State Dept. as I recall used a conflicted environmental firm for its analysis, and her crony was part of the firm, again my recollection. Under Hillary's State Department, which gave a critical opinion on XL, as I recall it would have been approved.
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Bernie Sanders carries his share of baggage, but of the four front-running candidates he's the only one with the character, dignity, and open-mindedness I'd like to see in a president.
Makes me glad I'm an independent and won't have to cast a robotic vote.
Makes me glad I'm an independent and won't have to cast a robotic vote.
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I keep waiting for Bernie to explain in political terms how his Presidency will work. Without a major shift in the balance of power in Congress- both houses, Bernie's policies are unlikely to be heard let alone passed. But his ardent supporters, many I suspected disappointed Obama supporters, appear to have no sense of the political realities that led to that disappointment. President Sanders will have won a pyric victory, scorched by a Republican campaign based on frightful depictions of ten-thousand-dollar-per-household-tax- increases to pay for free college and Government Health Care, with the attendant claims of rationing an death panels. Bernie leads an unknown Republican now- not in November. He is not a Democrat and not a Republican and in today's toxic politics that may make him honest and trustworthy and at the same time not especially effective both as a national candidate or as a President. I love and admire Bernie, much in the same way I admire and love President Carter and President Obama, all good, honest hardworking politicians who have led with integrity. But this election will come down to who can win and lead, flawed as she may be that is Secretary Clinton.
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Why don't you explain to us all how Hillary will get her programs, tepid though they may be, through a Congress which actively despises her? What leverage does she possess? What magic is she supposed to have that Bernie Sanders lacks? It sure ain't charisma.
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I like and admire Bernie Sanders although I think that Hillary Clinton would be a more effective President. Compare Jimmy Carter to Lyndon Johnson. If you were picking someone to give moral advice to your children in Sunday school, you would pick Mr. Carter. If you were picking someone to usher legislation through congress, you would pick Mr. Johnson. A recent film about Abraham Lincoln gives us a window into the "sausage making" element of being president.
I believe that Bernie and Hillary mostly agree. It is too bad that they are competitors.
As for super-delegates I believe their purpose is to prevent the nomination of someone who is clearly not qualified to be president, or who is unelectable or, if elected, would be unable to get along with the other elected leaders with whom the president would have to deal. It is ironic that the party that needs super-delegates this year is not the party that has them.
I believe that Bernie and Hillary mostly agree. It is too bad that they are competitors.
As for super-delegates I believe their purpose is to prevent the nomination of someone who is clearly not qualified to be president, or who is unelectable or, if elected, would be unable to get along with the other elected leaders with whom the president would have to deal. It is ironic that the party that needs super-delegates this year is not the party that has them.
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The most important paragraph in the article. Who do you think is going to most represent the needs of average Americans:
"In March, Mr. Sanders raised $44 million mostly from small-dollar Internet donations, compared with $29.5 million raised by Mrs. Clinton, who has frequently left the campaign trail to attend fund-raising events, including one on Tuesday night in the Bronx, asking donors for the maximum of $2,700 per person."
"In March, Mr. Sanders raised $44 million mostly from small-dollar Internet donations, compared with $29.5 million raised by Mrs. Clinton, who has frequently left the campaign trail to attend fund-raising events, including one on Tuesday night in the Bronx, asking donors for the maximum of $2,700 per person."
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What is shaping up here is an opportunity for the democrats to advance their agenda to a degree that has not been possible since the presidency of Lyndon Johnson. With the disgusting Republicans in complete disarray, Sanders must win the Democratic nomination and select Hillary as his running mate. Bernie is a magnificent campaigner. Hillary will temper him (he needs that), and she will bring her supporters. That coalition eliminates all weaknesses in their respective individual political appeals. A crushing democratic landslide would be the result with great gains in the house and the senate, and the momentum would carry through to a produce a transformative legislative session of congress. What is needed is an election that does not just leave the voters satisfied with the outcome, it must leave them demanding that legislators at all levels cooperate to allow the promises to be fulfilled and the vison to be realized. Together Bernie and Hillary could do that.
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Looking at the graphic to the right of the two articles on the Wisconsin primary we see that Bernie and Cruz both won by 14+% margins. Great, but what I'd like to see as well are the raw numbers, so we can compare not just the relative strengths of the candidates against their in-party opponents but their strength relative to the opposite party.
No matter how well Sanders does in the primaries going forward, the fix is in for Hillary. It always has been. Sanders' run is a diversion to promote the appearance of fairness and democracy in the primary process. In fact, the Democrat party is ruled by the super delegates who hold the power of candidate choice. And their choice has always been and always will be Hillary Clinton. The Democrat party is not democratic. Far, far from it.
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He knew the Party delegates would support her going into this. She is a Democrat who supports other democrats. He is an Independent who doesn't support democrats. She is also the front runner with pledged delegates and has the popular vote. To be denigrating super delegates at this stage is poor sportsmanship at best. Let him catch up first, then start the trash talk that Bernie and his supporters excel at. He has the integrity of a gnat.
Keep it going, the price of liberty is vigilance!
From a 64 year old Bernie Bro!
From a 64 year old Bernie Bro!
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Sanders' appeal is that he presents one or two ideas as simple solutions to complex problems. When asked by the NYDaily News how he would accomplish his ideas his answer was muddled and basically, I don't know. He displayed a dim grasp of economics and foreign affairs. Sanders' supporters are being carried away by idealism and display an unwillingness to take the time and effort to examine the issues.
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-...
http://www.nydailynews.com/opinion/transcript-bernie-sanders-meets-news-...
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I could not care less about whether Bernie currently knows that cards not tokens are used for the NY subway--that's minor and easily picked up when you go to pay. What is major is the need for the policies he outlines in his speeches concerning the economy, trade, health care, education etc. I sure hope he gets the nomination. Otherwise come November we will have a choice between a Republican and a Republican and apart from political polish and the ability to speak well and give the desired political answers for a particular group, when get right down to basics as the economy etc., there really is not much to choose between them. That will make for a hard reason to vote.
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This will be remembered, if anyone even cares, as his last significant win of the 2016 democratic primaries.
NY, PA, MD, CA....all going for Clinton.
NY, PA, MD, CA....all going for Clinton.
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Odler voters are also supporting Bernie, not just the younger ones.
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Although Sanders won and Trump lost in Wisconsin, these two candidates share much in common. Both are loners within the party for which they are seeking the nomination for president. Sanders is not a Democrat and Trump not really a Republican. If elected they would be considered outsiders by their party's congressional delegations. That means both would start a presidency with little possibility of getting their radical agendas through Congress. Both have a naive view of the powers of the presidency. Sanders cannot breakup the big banks through executive powers. Trump cannot extract duties from payments going to Mexico via Western Union to pay for his wall. Both will quickly learn the judiciary is the third branch of government. Both have a view of the world economy that will not create more jobs, but could lead to economic warfare with our trading partners. Both Sanders and Trump share a common goal of disengagement in foreign policy that is reckless. Sanders says, let the Arabs fight ISIS. Trump says let Japan and South Korea defend themselves. with nuclear weapons. Trump is a nativist and Sanders certainly is not. But both are in their own way demagogues, making making promises to the electorate they know cannot be fulfilled.
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$27, $27, $27, $27, $27, $27, ... It adds up. You can go a long ways on $27. But you have to be willing to listen to people with small change in their pockets.
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Sanders supporters point to his last 6 of 7 wins in, effectively, all caucus states having developed amnesia about HRC's recent primary state wins in Arizona, Florida, Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina and Ohio.
Even with his victory in Wisconsin on Tuesday night, Sanders only picked up 45 delegates to HRC's 36.
The count now stands at HRC with 1743 and Sanders with 1056 and that's without counting any of the "Super Delegates" of which 473 are already committed to Clinton.
Now if my math is correct that means that HRC has 2216 delegates which places her only 176 delegates short of the nomination with approximately 20 primaries to go. Even with a 55% - 45% voting split in favor of Sanders in those remaining states, HRC will still capture the nomination without the help or need of any Super Delegate support.
Except for the background noise of the rabid Sanders supporters, and the cable news channels efforts to keep their ratings up, most knowledgeable people know the Democratic presidential contest is over and that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee.
Even with his victory in Wisconsin on Tuesday night, Sanders only picked up 45 delegates to HRC's 36.
The count now stands at HRC with 1743 and Sanders with 1056 and that's without counting any of the "Super Delegates" of which 473 are already committed to Clinton.
Now if my math is correct that means that HRC has 2216 delegates which places her only 176 delegates short of the nomination with approximately 20 primaries to go. Even with a 55% - 45% voting split in favor of Sanders in those remaining states, HRC will still capture the nomination without the help or need of any Super Delegate support.
Except for the background noise of the rabid Sanders supporters, and the cable news channels efforts to keep their ratings up, most knowledgeable people know the Democratic presidential contest is over and that Hillary Clinton will be the nominee.
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You're basically right, but the 1743 does in fact include superdelegates.
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You are crazy or are math challenged. The 1743 delegates Clinton has most certainly does include super delegates. No where does it say that whe had 2216 delegates, except perhaps in your dreams.
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Your right, I screwed up with my math but it doesn't change the denouement: Sanders loses.
"His victory signaled vulnerabilities that have trailed Mrs. Clinton’s candidacy amid persistent criticism of her paid speeches to Wall Street banks . . . ."
Whatever happened to the power of the press? The New York Times ran an editorial on Feb. 25 entitled "Mrs. Clinton, Show Voters Those Transcripts" regarding her paid speeches to Wall Street and other big corporate interests. The editors wrote:
'Public interest in these speeches is legitimate, and it is the public — not the candidate — who decides how much disclosure is enough. By stonewalling on these transcripts Mrs. Clinton plays into the hands of those who say she’s not trustworthy and makes her own rules. Most important, she is damaging her credibility among Democrats who are begging her to show them that she’d run an accountable and transparent White House."
Despite the repeated efforts of Bernie Sanders to get her to release the transcripts, Hillary Clinton continues to stonewall.
It is time that the Editorial Board of the New York Times re-run its editorial of Feb. 25 entitled "Mrs. Clinton, Show Voters Those Transcripts" and show Hillary that the editors of the NYTimes are not wimps.
Whatever happened to the power of the press? The New York Times ran an editorial on Feb. 25 entitled "Mrs. Clinton, Show Voters Those Transcripts" regarding her paid speeches to Wall Street and other big corporate interests. The editors wrote:
'Public interest in these speeches is legitimate, and it is the public — not the candidate — who decides how much disclosure is enough. By stonewalling on these transcripts Mrs. Clinton plays into the hands of those who say she’s not trustworthy and makes her own rules. Most important, she is damaging her credibility among Democrats who are begging her to show them that she’d run an accountable and transparent White House."
Despite the repeated efforts of Bernie Sanders to get her to release the transcripts, Hillary Clinton continues to stonewall.
It is time that the Editorial Board of the New York Times re-run its editorial of Feb. 25 entitled "Mrs. Clinton, Show Voters Those Transcripts" and show Hillary that the editors of the NYTimes are not wimps.
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Nearly all of Hillary's delegates were won down south in states that rarely, if ever, vote Democrat in the general election.
We are seeing Bernie Sanders winning blue state after blue state, and the battleground states as well.
It's a little curious as to why the DNC chose to allow ALL of the Southern GOP stronghold states go so early this year, which was a drastic shift from 2008.
It's totally logical that the GOP places all of its most prolific states so early in the process, but the democrats following suit, raises some serious questions about their strategic motives.
A truly democratic primary would completely randomize the order in which primaries are held -- lottery style -- with only the first 3 or 4 contests remaining static each cycle (Iowa, NH, SC, and I believe Michigan would be a fantastic replacement for the mess that is Nevada, which doesn't deserve its early placement)
One of the reasons I support Bernie Sanders is I believe he will make fundamental changes to the way our democracy operates. Like him or not, the man is passionate about democracy and he wants the people to be the final say when it comes to who becomes our elected leaders. He may be proposing some controversial and difficult reforms, but how can we ever expect to improve if we don't push the envelope?
It's such a great feeling to know that I have the rare privilege on April 19th, to vote for someone that I truly care about, for a lifelong activist, who stands in solidarity with us all.
We are seeing Bernie Sanders winning blue state after blue state, and the battleground states as well.
It's a little curious as to why the DNC chose to allow ALL of the Southern GOP stronghold states go so early this year, which was a drastic shift from 2008.
It's totally logical that the GOP places all of its most prolific states so early in the process, but the democrats following suit, raises some serious questions about their strategic motives.
A truly democratic primary would completely randomize the order in which primaries are held -- lottery style -- with only the first 3 or 4 contests remaining static each cycle (Iowa, NH, SC, and I believe Michigan would be a fantastic replacement for the mess that is Nevada, which doesn't deserve its early placement)
One of the reasons I support Bernie Sanders is I believe he will make fundamental changes to the way our democracy operates. Like him or not, the man is passionate about democracy and he wants the people to be the final say when it comes to who becomes our elected leaders. He may be proposing some controversial and difficult reforms, but how can we ever expect to improve if we don't push the envelope?
It's such a great feeling to know that I have the rare privilege on April 19th, to vote for someone that I truly care about, for a lifelong activist, who stands in solidarity with us all.
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You're aware that neither the DNC nor the RNC decides when states hold their primaries, yes?
I sympathize with what you're arguing, but this lack of basics among Sanders' supporters (and in Sanders, sometimes) worries me.
I sympathize with what you're arguing, but this lack of basics among Sanders' supporters (and in Sanders, sometimes) worries me.
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You're aware that change can only come from new ideas, yes? Perhaps the DNC should be determining when the primaries take place. I don't really like that , as it takes even more power away from the states, but state self determination is out and federalism is in.
Because Hillary Clinton always take the subway in NYC? The thing is, Sanders actually would.
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...because he'll never need secret service to attend him.
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Congratulation to Bernie! And Bernie, Hillary, whichever of you wins the nomination, I will vote for you. Both of you are vastly better than anything the Republicans can offer. So much is at stake in this election - the environment, women' s reproductive rights, just to name a few. We need someone committed to these causes (and someone who will select a Supreme Court justice who will ensure Obama's pledges in Paris are upheld, women's right to abortion will not be obstructed in so many states, and Citizens United will finally be shot down.) I prefer Bernie, but I am perfectly willing to compromise. There will be no revolution (come on, people, if the Republicans win people will sigh, joke about moving to Canada and then carry on, while the environment is being irrevocably destroyed, women's lives are being ruined by unwanted pregnancies or botched do-it-yourself abortions, and big money continues influence politics.) Let's think straight on this - Hillary may not be our ideal, but she's far more likely to help pull the country and the globe out of terrifying danger than anyone on the right, including the "normal" one, Kasich.
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Good. We have a system where banks are enslaving our youth with huge amounts of debt, just so that they can get a college education, which is a minimal pre-requisite for most professional careers. It takes most debt saddled graduates over a decade to pay it off. Is this a new form of slavery or indentured servitude? Either way, bankers get rich and college graduates get shackled by crushing debt.
The government should support education and our taxes should be used to pay for it.
The government should support education and our taxes should be used to pay for it.
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The usual irrelevancy: that Sander's supporters can't "do math." Sanders' supporters were never doing math. Had they ever voted by the numbers, there would be no Sanders candidacy. Sanders' supporters are delivering a message, one the Democratic Party establishment, the Clintons, and richly paid media pundits still refuse to believe is real. It's not just Trump voters who are fed up. As Sanders puts it, "The status quo is not enough." Incrementalism is not enough. Compromising in advance with entrenched, gerrymandered Republicans who never compromise is not enough. Bribing Wall Street, Big Pharma, the Fossil Fuel industries, and mega-campaign contributors to permit change at the margins provided they come out even further ahead is not enough. "Breaking down barriers" to participate in a "rigged economy" is not enough when it remains still a rigged economy. Sanders' voters will still come out to deliver that message when Clinton has "wrapped up" the nomination. There may even be more of them, swelled by merely prudential Clinton voters once they feel it's safe to vote their hearts. California may be the biggest surprise yet. That message is going to the Democratic convention.
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It's that reiterated "may be," that worries me, and ought to worry you.
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What? I should worry that Sanders supporters will continue to deliver the message that the Democratic Party establishment incrementalist "status quo is not enough" even after Clinton has "wrapped up" the nomination? Worried that Californians may still get to have their voices heard? That the state might turn to Sanders with the votes of merely prudential Clinton supporters once they believe her nomination is safe? Worried that the failure of vision of incrementalism will be an issue raised at the convention, making it more than another boring, choreographed coronation? Do you think that might embarrass Clinton into losing the general election? You need not worry. All evidence, from the Clinton Foundation to her Super-Pac, is that she has no shame. Yes, Obama took plenty of that kind of money, too. But he was also the previous record-holder for campaign financing with mass small individual contributions. It's the difference that elevated him to the Presidency, not the big dollar donors. Will we be able to say the same of Clinton? No. Do you think that makes no difference? Better not to be able to "do math" than to be naive. And, yes, you need not worry: along with most every Sanders primary voter, I will hold my nose and vote for Hillary in the general election, exactly as I held my nose and voted for her right-tacking, afraid-to-be-a-liberal husband long ago, but at least I will do so honestly, knowing what's what.
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This is silly. Caucuses are not victories, and hardly landslides. TV shamelessshowly showed college students from out of state voting for Sanders in Wisconsin. Doesn't this qualify as political sabotage in Sanders' book of politics? Sanders is being trashed daily in the New York media for his support of the gun lobby. This will not help him win New York. His refusal to back off is making me reconsider my plan to vote for him if he gets the nomination. His foolishness with foreign affairs is another black mark. It will depend on how bad the Republican is.
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Bernie won fair and square, actually. And Hillary's leading by 500+ delegates fair and square, as well.
Good for them both; good for her that unlike Trump, she didn't whine when she lost.
Good for them both; good for her that unlike Trump, she didn't whine when she lost.
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From the Seattle Times: "The caucuses held here last weekend were described in media reports as “packed” and “bursting at the seams.” Lines around the block were reported, as well as crowds in overflow rooms. It gave the feeling of massive civic engagement. But in reality, only 5.8 percent of the state’s registered voters showed up. That means 94 percent of voters didn’t. Even the most moribund municipal election for, say, water commissioner, gets turnout rates five times that amount." -- So please stop the false narrative about Washington and other states. Hillary would win in a primary and should be supported by our super delegates. Not even close to feeling the bern.
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The media systematically downplays Sander's success and omits reporting on his views about climate change, fracking, protecting social security, giving access to higher education to larger numbers, and so on. It is also not true that only the young whites are voting for him. I am a 66 year old female who voted for him, appreciating the fact that he is the only one truly concerned about average Americans. I would hope that the media would give him much more credence and accept the fact that for many of us, Hillary Clinton is not the answer!
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I was disappointed with the objective journalistic professionalism of your article. You cite "exit polls" but you don't tell the reader which exit polls you are referring to. You use the term "economic populism" but don't define it. Vague terms like this mean different things to different people. Why does the reader need to know the amount of money the two candidates spent on ads in Wisconsin? If Sander wins, this will be the last campaign where enormous amounts of money will be spent on commercial ads. You make the comment that Wisconsin is 88% white yet Barack Obama beat Clinton by 17 points in 2008. And finally, to include the comment that Sanders did not know how to ride the subway was pure tabloid trivia.
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Oh, please.
The article was among other things pointing out the differences between the two candidates, and using descriptions of their campaign audiences to do it. It's perfectly fair, and also happens to be right.
And the editorial board was pointing to something off in Sanders' claims to be a simple Man of the People: he's going to have trouble with New Yorkers, what with being decades out of date on something as simple as the subway.
In any case, for crying out loud, the article reports Sanders' victory and points to Clinton's difficulties. That's not positive enough for you?
The article was among other things pointing out the differences between the two candidates, and using descriptions of their campaign audiences to do it. It's perfectly fair, and also happens to be right.
And the editorial board was pointing to something off in Sanders' claims to be a simple Man of the People: he's going to have trouble with New Yorkers, what with being decades out of date on something as simple as the subway.
In any case, for crying out loud, the article reports Sanders' victory and points to Clinton's difficulties. That's not positive enough for you?
It would be so much easier to buy-in to Bernie's agenda if all of the worst attributes of human nature were not as pervasive and entrenched in Washington as they have become.
The amount of government growth and bureaucracy required to pull off even one of his very idyllic policies is akin to throwing gasoline on a fire, as long as these sleazy, low-life politicians, lobbyists and other miscreants are able to get their filthy hands in the pot.
Fundamental changes in term limits, ethical standards and severe restrictions on lobbyist and super PAC influence are required before even considering letting someone with Bernie's plan assume the controls.
The amount of government growth and bureaucracy required to pull off even one of his very idyllic policies is akin to throwing gasoline on a fire, as long as these sleazy, low-life politicians, lobbyists and other miscreants are able to get their filthy hands in the pot.
Fundamental changes in term limits, ethical standards and severe restrictions on lobbyist and super PAC influence are required before even considering letting someone with Bernie's plan assume the controls.
From the NY Times: "Even with his recent resounding wins in Washington, Alaska, Idaho, Utah, Hawaii and Wisconsin, Mr. Sanders would need an estimated 56 percent of the remaining pledged delegates to overtake Mrs. Clinton."
So he only needs 56 percent of the votes like he got in Wisconsin and doesn't need 80% like he got in other states. It's beginning to seem like Bernie may be a shoe in.
It's beginning to seem like honesty and progressive policies are the best policies.
It's beginning to seem like democracy is working even in face of headwinds of media disregard, negligence, and diminution.
So he only needs 56 percent of the votes like he got in Wisconsin and doesn't need 80% like he got in other states. It's beginning to seem like Bernie may be a shoe in.
It's beginning to seem like honesty and progressive policies are the best policies.
It's beginning to seem like democracy is working even in face of headwinds of media disregard, negligence, and diminution.
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Sanders convinces you with his sincerity, honesty and convictions. On the other hand, HRC is a Democrat sometimes, a regime change neocon at other times, and a flip flopper many times. Plus with all the experience, and policies that HRC implemented during her tenure, you know what you will get. So why not try the untested over the tried and trusted who you don't trust anymore. Good job NYT for endorsing a candidate even before the process is finished. You+other Newspapers like Post, have set an example of a Super PAC style journalism.
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All of us voters need to think whether we live in a democracy OR a country managed by the Dem/Repub power brokers/establishment.Hillary has her Superdelegates who showed us in NHampshire that they can ignore the voters choice,which was Bernie.What is the Dem delegate count without Hillary's Superdelegates?Why won't the Times tell us that number?On the Repub side,the power brokers/establishment abhor Trump and Cruz.We'll see the machinations at the Repub Convention trying to prevent either Trump/Cruz from receiving the nomination.If that occurs,the Repub party is finished.
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They've put those numbers up about 93 times. You can see them today in "The Upshot."
Robby Mook said Sanders' path involves “overturning the will of the voters” by trying to flip pledged delegates at state and party conventions.
How are "pledged delegates" an expression of the will of voters?
How are "pledged delegates" an expression of the will of voters?
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Robby Mook says a lot of things. Doesn't mean you should trust they're true. Remember, this is the same campaign that portends that:
-Bernie is a gun-toting NRA lackey
-Bernie voted against the auto bailout
-Bernie wants to take away your healthcare
-Bernie is the one running a negative campaign
....just a taste, but all of which are patently false.
Don't just believe what you're told to.
-Bernie is a gun-toting NRA lackey
-Bernie voted against the auto bailout
-Bernie wants to take away your healthcare
-Bernie is the one running a negative campaign
....just a taste, but all of which are patently false.
Don't just believe what you're told to.
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Super-delegates should be abolished. They do not represent the voice of the people, only the voice of big money and the establishment. Their sole purpose is to prevent the people from choosing the Democratic candidate. Super-delegates even made their choice known before their state even voted.
Hillary Clinton only got a bid vote lead due to the order of the primary states which let the southern states go first where Hillary garners nothing but minority votes in states which the Democrats will lose in November. Not a great way to let one candidate get a big lead.
The choice of the people is clearly Bernie Sanders and the super-delegates should step aside and not be counted in the vote. They should vote the way the popular vote in their state turned out or not vote until the convention. But instead they selected their candidate BEFORE the primary process even started. It reeks of dishonesty and an effort to thwart the will of the voters.
Hillary Clinton only got a bid vote lead due to the order of the primary states which let the southern states go first where Hillary garners nothing but minority votes in states which the Democrats will lose in November. Not a great way to let one candidate get a big lead.
The choice of the people is clearly Bernie Sanders and the super-delegates should step aside and not be counted in the vote. They should vote the way the popular vote in their state turned out or not vote until the convention. But instead they selected their candidate BEFORE the primary process even started. It reeks of dishonesty and an effort to thwart the will of the voters.
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Sanders is millions of votes behind.
Hes not the choice of the people yet in any sense.
Hes not the choice of the people yet in any sense.
It's fairly hilarious to see a right-winger complaining about the democratic process.
New York is the perfect showdown for the two democratic heavyweights who each have a claim to calling it home. After so many years of being irrelevant in the Presidential elections it's a welcome change to be in the thick of things.
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Wow, a photo of Bernie smiling!
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I think low-information primary voters are more likely to vote Clinton than Sanders, based on name recognition and physical appearance alone. This should not be surprising to anyone.
This is why Sanders is so "on-message" (aka repetitive) whenever he's on any media. He's constantly introducing himself to whomever doesn't know his platform and political record yet.
I hope the increased coverage helps him, we really need some drastic changes in the top tax bracket structure of this country, as well as free college. We do NOT want to incentivize people to skip college in the current work environment. Robots and A.I are nipping at our heels, swallowing any repetitive task they catch up to.
This is why Sanders is so "on-message" (aka repetitive) whenever he's on any media. He's constantly introducing himself to whomever doesn't know his platform and political record yet.
I hope the increased coverage helps him, we really need some drastic changes in the top tax bracket structure of this country, as well as free college. We do NOT want to incentivize people to skip college in the current work environment. Robots and A.I are nipping at our heels, swallowing any repetitive task they catch up to.
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Hillary just appeared on "Morning Joe" talking about Bernie's supporters saying she understands why his young people want to 'protest' - "I was like that when I was young."
She knows there are plenty of voters for Bernie who aren't 'kids.' This constant harping on Sanders voters being college students misrepresents his appeal. Bernie won over 80% of the voters between 18-35 in Wisconsin! And they're the future of the party!
That's great. But plenty of older people support Bernie.
Consistently representing Sanders in ways that marginalize his supporters is a stupid thing to do - and it's been the norm for Hillary, her spokespeople and the media to do this. Sanders won
lots of blue class and middle class people in Wisconsin, including older women, retired people. He is not running a 'children's crusade.' Hillary knows better than to try to minimize his support this way. It insults Bernie supporter and it also trivialized the young voters supporting him to categorize them as 'protesters.'
In a season where the media has gotten everything about Sanders campaign wrong, why not be accurate? And why not report Hillary, who's so aggravated about Sander's 'tone,' has herself insulted Sanders supporters and sent her surrogates out to insult them also. Fair play.
She knows there are plenty of voters for Bernie who aren't 'kids.' This constant harping on Sanders voters being college students misrepresents his appeal. Bernie won over 80% of the voters between 18-35 in Wisconsin! And they're the future of the party!
That's great. But plenty of older people support Bernie.
Consistently representing Sanders in ways that marginalize his supporters is a stupid thing to do - and it's been the norm for Hillary, her spokespeople and the media to do this. Sanders won
lots of blue class and middle class people in Wisconsin, including older women, retired people. He is not running a 'children's crusade.' Hillary knows better than to try to minimize his support this way. It insults Bernie supporter and it also trivialized the young voters supporting him to categorize them as 'protesters.'
In a season where the media has gotten everything about Sanders campaign wrong, why not be accurate? And why not report Hillary, who's so aggravated about Sander's 'tone,' has herself insulted Sanders supporters and sent her surrogates out to insult them also. Fair play.
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People claim Sanders is "honest", but what is honest about claiming he'll do things that he'll never be able to do without a miracle? Making promises that he cannot keep is dishonest.
One expects a president to have a firm grip on reality. When he doesn't, he makes false promises like, "You can keep your doctor," which incenses -- and then further divides -- the country.
Haven't we been down this path before?
One expects a president to have a firm grip on reality. When he doesn't, he makes false promises like, "You can keep your doctor," which incenses -- and then further divides -- the country.
Haven't we been down this path before?
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Except neither the President nor Bernie and his supporters have been waving guns, screaming "You lie!" muttering about "Second Amendment remedies," passing laws that attack women and gay people, sitting on their duffs and refusing to do their jobs in Congress, calling everybody who disagrees traitors and commies...
That's on you lot.
That's on you lot.
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Sanders never "claimed" that his policies will be implemented right away after he is elected. NEVER. It will be the beginning of a process that must include a grass roots political revolution and campaign finance reform. Please listen to his speeches, not what the MSM and the Clinton lie machine is saying.
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Sanders may have "won" another primary, but this isn't the World Series, where victory is the only thing. On the Democratic side, the primaries are all about winning a percentage. Sanders received 11 more delegates than Hilary did for Wisconsin, but Hilary still pocketed 36 of them. The media spins this as a win, but it hardly moves the situation. The same was true in Michigan; Sanders was proclaimed the surprise "winner," a stunning victory, blah blah blah---but he received only five more delegates than Hilary. That's not a path to victory. New York and Pennsylvania should finally end the Sanders dream, and we can get on with the business of defeating the insanity of either Trump or Cruz.
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It's a tough choice for dogmatic democrats. Do I vote for a criminal or a communist?
They almost make Obama look good.
They almost make Obama look good.
@don
It doesn't take a "criminal or a communist" to make Obama look good.
It doesn't take a "criminal or a communist" to make Obama look good.
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Neglected to include a description as to how Trade Agreements, especially the TPP, destroy the last vestiges of our Democracy, and effectively end our sovereignty, see below -
NPR has detailed Clinton’s long history of contradictory statements on trade -
"President Bill Clinton fought a bruising battle to pass NAFTA in 1993 against a wall of opposition in a Democratic Congress. Predictably, first lady Hillary lent her support and in 1996, she trumpeted NAFTA as "proving its worth." It would have been remarkable for her to split with her husband over trade, just as it would be remarkable for her to split with President Obama over promotion of the TPP while serving in the cabinet as his Secretary of State."
The best test of her views on trade are her votes as U.S. Senator. Between 2001-2009, she voted for every trade deal but one; voting in favor of free trade agreements with Singapore, Chile, Australia, Morocco and Oman. She also voiced support for the 2007 Peru FTA.
"New data indicates that the U.S. trade deficit has swelled to the highest level in more than six years. This flood of imports robs American workers of jobs and saps the economic recovery. Yet President Obama is escalating pressure on Congress to approve “Fast Track” trade authority, which would limit Congressional debate on major trade agreements and speed their approval."
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2015/05/12824/sanders-race-clinton-cant-dodg...
NPR has detailed Clinton’s long history of contradictory statements on trade -
"President Bill Clinton fought a bruising battle to pass NAFTA in 1993 against a wall of opposition in a Democratic Congress. Predictably, first lady Hillary lent her support and in 1996, she trumpeted NAFTA as "proving its worth." It would have been remarkable for her to split with her husband over trade, just as it would be remarkable for her to split with President Obama over promotion of the TPP while serving in the cabinet as his Secretary of State."
The best test of her views on trade are her votes as U.S. Senator. Between 2001-2009, she voted for every trade deal but one; voting in favor of free trade agreements with Singapore, Chile, Australia, Morocco and Oman. She also voiced support for the 2007 Peru FTA.
"New data indicates that the U.S. trade deficit has swelled to the highest level in more than six years. This flood of imports robs American workers of jobs and saps the economic recovery. Yet President Obama is escalating pressure on Congress to approve “Fast Track” trade authority, which would limit Congressional debate on major trade agreements and speed their approval."
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2015/05/12824/sanders-race-clinton-cant-dodg...
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At 70 years of age, I have become more than a little cynical about politics. This election is the most important one in my memory. My thoughts today are so conflicted. I want to feel the "Bern", but I remember casting my vote for George McGovern and how soundly he was trounced by Richard Nixon. I cannot shake that memory. Like Bernie Sanders, George McGovern was an honest, good man, whose vision for this country was progressive. He ran head long into the "Southern Strategy", and was terribly defeated.
Had Bernie Sanders not attached "socialist democrat" to his name, I feel he could possibly have walked away with this election. Here is where my cynicism kicks in, because I know if he is the nominee, that Fox News and the odious ultra conservative talk show hosts will use the word "socialism" against him in every sentence they utter. They will have visions of a "nanny state" and "takers" dancing in their listeners heads.
I am listening with my heart to Bernie Sanders, but my head is telling me Hillary Clinton has a better chance of winning the general election, however, I have certainly been wrong before. If Sanders does somehow capture the nomination, I will happily cast my vote for him and hope for the best. I hope others will do the same if Hillary Clinton is the nominee. If the Democrats lose this election because of divisiveness in its ranks, this country will be on the way to a fascist/theocratic regime from which we might never emerge.
Had Bernie Sanders not attached "socialist democrat" to his name, I feel he could possibly have walked away with this election. Here is where my cynicism kicks in, because I know if he is the nominee, that Fox News and the odious ultra conservative talk show hosts will use the word "socialism" against him in every sentence they utter. They will have visions of a "nanny state" and "takers" dancing in their listeners heads.
I am listening with my heart to Bernie Sanders, but my head is telling me Hillary Clinton has a better chance of winning the general election, however, I have certainly been wrong before. If Sanders does somehow capture the nomination, I will happily cast my vote for him and hope for the best. I hope others will do the same if Hillary Clinton is the nominee. If the Democrats lose this election because of divisiveness in its ranks, this country will be on the way to a fascist/theocratic regime from which we might never emerge.
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But I bet McGovern wasn't beating Nixon by 20 points in the polls.
Bernie is beating Trump by 20 points. Hillary is beating him by 10. Bernie is beating Cruz by 10 points. Hillary is beating Cruz by 5.
Simply put, there are a lot of angry blue collar workers who don't like or trust Hillary. They like Sanders. He talks big, but so did Teddy Roosevelt and FDR. That's who people are betting he'll be. He's not Jimmy Carter. He's not a big softie. He aims high, and he's angry, and people respond to that.
Bernie is beating Trump by 20 points. Hillary is beating him by 10. Bernie is beating Cruz by 10 points. Hillary is beating Cruz by 5.
Simply put, there are a lot of angry blue collar workers who don't like or trust Hillary. They like Sanders. He talks big, but so did Teddy Roosevelt and FDR. That's who people are betting he'll be. He's not Jimmy Carter. He's not a big softie. He aims high, and he's angry, and people respond to that.
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I'm a Sanders supporter who cannot vote for Clinton. Her lies, ties to Wall St., bad trade deals, foreign policy blunders, and corruption are just too much for me to support. Many Sanders supporters share these sentiments. So if you don't want a Republican in the WH, you might consider actively working for Bernie Sanders.
You guys just can't say anything nice about Sanders, can you. I hope he breaks up the big papers too.
And the issue with Clinton isn't money raising, it's that she does the bidding of large money interests, and is a warmonger, and ignored the middle class u till she had to not. She is a Republican, she positioned herself A quarter inch left of the republicans because she never envisioned a challenge from the left.
And the issue with Clinton isn't money raising, it's that she does the bidding of large money interests, and is a warmonger, and ignored the middle class u till she had to not. She is a Republican, she positioned herself A quarter inch left of the republicans because she never envisioned a challenge from the left.
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Once again, a primary lays bare an essential and potentially fatal flaw in Clinton's candidacy: People simply do not like or trust her. It is extraordinarily difficult for a candidate who is neither liked nor trusted to win. There have to be extraordinary circumstances, and you have to go back to Nixon to see a candidate win the presidency who was neither liked nor trusted.
If Cruz gets the nomination, Clinton is going to have an uphill fight on her hands.
If Cruz gets the nomination, Clinton is going to have an uphill fight on her hands.
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I voted for Clinton in the Florida primary. I believe she would make a good president and I would prefer her over Bernie. However if Sanders wins the candidacy I would be happy with that too. Whereas the Republican race is an absolute circus with each camp dreading a victory by any other candidate. I guess it's a good time to be a Democrat.
And for some new ammunition against Clinton in the upcoming NYC primaries let's look at her role in enabling Tax evasion for rich Americans by voting for the Panama free trade agreement. http://www.theguardian.com/news/commentisfree/2016/apr/05/panama-papers-...
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Thomas D. Dial,
Delusional, I think not.
If you switch the numbers around in Madison from 102k for Bernie to HRC and give Bernie HRC's number of 61k, the swing is dramatic in this one county. Bernie still wins, but his overall margin is now 52.5% to 47.5%. So Bernie drops from 56.6% to 52.5%, Big difference.
See, one county has so much weight. If the students didn't support him the margin of victory would be slim despite all the other counties.
Delusional, I think not.
If you switch the numbers around in Madison from 102k for Bernie to HRC and give Bernie HRC's number of 61k, the swing is dramatic in this one county. Bernie still wins, but his overall margin is now 52.5% to 47.5%. So Bernie drops from 56.6% to 52.5%, Big difference.
See, one county has so much weight. If the students didn't support him the margin of victory would be slim despite all the other counties.
Way to go, Bernie! You are the voice of conscience, and people are obviously listening to you.
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"Mrs. Clinton spent most of her time in the state in Milwaukee, where she held a discussion about gun violence at Tabernacle Community Baptist Church alongside black mothers" Seems like the Blacks are the only group who find Hillary trustworthy and like being pandering to. Once elected, Hillary will throw the Black voters out and it will be back to business as usual with wall street and big business.
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I'm disappointed in the election results from WI. The Dems still couldn't beat the GOP in total votes. Even though they have an incompetent GOP governor and useless GOP legislature. Worst of all in a statewide race for their Supreme Court judge the GOP candidate won. Bernie might be doing well for himself but so far he's done nothing to help the Democratic Party or to bring working and rural people to the left. So far he's only getting the expected George McGovern and Eugene McCarthy demographic. Both of whom also won big in the WI Democratic primary.
"Mrs. Clinton’s defeat does not significantly dent her comfortable lead in the race for the 2,383 delegates needed to secure the Democratic nomination." (Nowhere in the article are we treated to the actual delegate count, minus the "super-delegates." Wonder why?)
In other words, "Heads I win, tails you lose, Bernie."
"And while Mrs. Clinton is a battle-tested veteran of New York’s voracious news media, Mr. Sanders is not, and only recently has he gotten a taste of how tough it can be."
Take that, native-born son Bernie from Brooklyn. Carpet-bagger Hillary from Chicago via Little Rock is more a real New Yorker than you'll ever be. As they say in the NYT, "Heads I win, tails you lose, Bernie."
In other words, "Heads I win, tails you lose, Bernie."
"And while Mrs. Clinton is a battle-tested veteran of New York’s voracious news media, Mr. Sanders is not, and only recently has he gotten a taste of how tough it can be."
Take that, native-born son Bernie from Brooklyn. Carpet-bagger Hillary from Chicago via Little Rock is more a real New Yorker than you'll ever be. As they say in the NYT, "Heads I win, tails you lose, Bernie."
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Bernies a great guy. But I think his supporters are delusionally immature. It will be ugly what will happen to Bernie if he runs in the general election. What media, big business, defense hawks, etc will bring to bear will be immense. They know how to scare the pants off the American public and will spare nothing and no one to do it. Then we will get Cruz or Trump. We need someone who can fight them in small battles to move the needle slowly (Clinton, of course) over time. THe bounce back from Sanders will not be what anyone wants.
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This was expected, and it means little.
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Thoreau would disagree. This is huge.
No, Thoreau didn't indulge in fantasies. Ever.
Wisconsin is evidence of Bernie's gathering momentem. The more peo[le see and hear him, the more they like him and the more they realize he is the only candidate who can fix this broken country. Politics has been defined as "the art of the possible". Well, Bernie is redefining what is possible and that is precisely what must be done and Clinton is not going do it.
I had to search in the 'Politics' section, and then again in the 'Election 2016 Latest Results', this morning, to find out the percentage spread in Bernie's victory: 14 points!
Considering that the polls showed him neck to neck with Clinton 3 days ago, and 40 points behind 3 months ago, I'd say that's pretty darn impressive. Not impressive enough, apparently, to be reported on the front page of the NYT.
Considering that the polls showed him neck to neck with Clinton 3 days ago, and 40 points behind 3 months ago, I'd say that's pretty darn impressive. Not impressive enough, apparently, to be reported on the front page of the NYT.
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When did it become acceptable to report statistics as significant when significance was never shown? Just because a candidate loses with a block doesn't mean that block chose not to vote for them. Perhaps other explanations would better explain results. None of the statistics you mentioned mean a thing without a p-value.
Perfect microcosm of Bernie/Hillary: Clinton asks for $2700 per/Bernie's average contribution $27 per.
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What a great humanist Bernie is.
His campaign remains steadfast in its call to the ruling class, a call that for decades the ruling class has ignored, creating in their avarice the most lopsided of economic conditions for the poor and the middle-class every seen, so much so it can be said with complete honesty, we are a Plutocratic Oligarchy.
President Thomas Jefferson, said it equally well -
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed corporations.”
Slowly the NY Times is coming on-board, trying to walk back its wholesale endorsement of Hillary Clinton, a permanently flawed candidate, so flawed one can't help but see it and call her out on it.
Her flaws, dishonesty and untrustworthiness is summed up in a few simple words, beginning with her previous hard-line support for yet another job destroying anti-American trade agreement, the egregious TPP (Trans Pacific Trade Agreement), an agreement if it becomes law, will effectively end our Democracy, and in many respects end our sovereignty.
Recently one of her advisers had the gall to say out loud, that she only suggested she is now against it, to co-opt Sanders supporters.
“Investor-state” provisions in trade agreements allow corporations to directly sue governments for cash damages over health, consumer, environmental and labor protections that they believe harm their profitability and brand"
His campaign remains steadfast in its call to the ruling class, a call that for decades the ruling class has ignored, creating in their avarice the most lopsided of economic conditions for the poor and the middle-class every seen, so much so it can be said with complete honesty, we are a Plutocratic Oligarchy.
President Thomas Jefferson, said it equally well -
"The end of democracy and the defeat of the American Revolution will occur when government falls into the hands of lending institutions and moneyed corporations.”
Slowly the NY Times is coming on-board, trying to walk back its wholesale endorsement of Hillary Clinton, a permanently flawed candidate, so flawed one can't help but see it and call her out on it.
Her flaws, dishonesty and untrustworthiness is summed up in a few simple words, beginning with her previous hard-line support for yet another job destroying anti-American trade agreement, the egregious TPP (Trans Pacific Trade Agreement), an agreement if it becomes law, will effectively end our Democracy, and in many respects end our sovereignty.
Recently one of her advisers had the gall to say out loud, that she only suggested she is now against it, to co-opt Sanders supporters.
“Investor-state” provisions in trade agreements allow corporations to directly sue governments for cash damages over health, consumer, environmental and labor protections that they believe harm their profitability and brand"
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"Senator Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton". The margin of victory was 14 percentage points. Instead of defeated might I suggest routed, crushed, trounced, swamped, thrashed, overwhelmed or wasted?
I realize the Times has anointed HRC but a little subtlety in their bias would be appreciated.
I realize the Times has anointed HRC but a little subtlety in their bias would be appreciated.
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I'm really, really in awe of and disheartened by how naive and shortsighted so many voters are in these primaries--on both ends of the spectrum. I guess Sanders somehow neglected to consider states' sovereignty in matters of education and health, how free college is useless when immense and significant disparities in funding of local school districts means poor students will still be at a disadvantage--wait, breaking up the banks will solve this problem putting everyone on an even economic keel, right?--and blanket health coverage doesn't take into consideration each state's unique demographics and health needs.
Don't get me wrong, I would love free health care and for my $100k in student loans to be wiped away immediately (is Bernie promising this, too?). However, I realize that this reality is very unlikely to occur despite all of Sanders' promises and good intentions, and will reluctantly take responsibility for my financial decisions.
And for those of you praising the $15 minimum wage Sanders supports--you've obviously never lived on those wages because you would realize that even that increase does nothing for even a single person trying to live in any major metropolitan area. I know, I've tried, and it doesn't work.
Please, please let me know how uninformed or misinformed (by the biased, slave-to-Clinton media) I am about Sanders and how naive I am for supporting a lying corporate sellout like HRC. Really, fill me in.
Don't get me wrong, I would love free health care and for my $100k in student loans to be wiped away immediately (is Bernie promising this, too?). However, I realize that this reality is very unlikely to occur despite all of Sanders' promises and good intentions, and will reluctantly take responsibility for my financial decisions.
And for those of you praising the $15 minimum wage Sanders supports--you've obviously never lived on those wages because you would realize that even that increase does nothing for even a single person trying to live in any major metropolitan area. I know, I've tried, and it doesn't work.
Please, please let me know how uninformed or misinformed (by the biased, slave-to-Clinton media) I am about Sanders and how naive I am for supporting a lying corporate sellout like HRC. Really, fill me in.
All the talk about Bernie winning in predominantly white states should be balanced by the fact that Hillary has won several states in the South that have predominantly black voters in the Democratic primary. These states won't turn blue in the general election but Hillary's name recognition went a long way toward her winning and added a lot of delegates to her total. Strange for us out here in California to be in a position to greatly influence both the Democrat and Republican primaries in June. Interestinger and more interestinger.....
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Does anyone remember the Gore v Bush Debacle?? If so, please weigh in!!
You mean where the Supreme Court intervened to stop vote counting in Florida? A state actually won by the Ds?
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Poor Hillary - she is like the mythical Cassandra. She always tells it like it is but no one believes her. She lost to the Yes We Can guy and it turned out like she said, no he couldn't. Now she's up against another one, promising stuff that will never get done. And she's the one that no one trusts. The bitter irony.
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Well done, Bernie!
Go Bernie!
Go Bernie!
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The mainstream media has given the Sanders campaign barely any coverage. Even now, when he has won the last 6 of 7 races, it is hard to get anyone in the media to admit that he may have a real chance at the nomination. We get tons of coverage about Donald Trump's antics,whether they are newsworthy or not. Since this newspaper has endorsed Clinton, we can't expect fair coverage or analysis. What the media seems to missing, big time, is that Americans are tired of the same old game that's been played out for too many years. Sanders resonates with those people and his campaign is being won on social media and by the thousands of people donating to his campaign. The fact that he's raising millions of dollars more than Clinton without any PACs, is just another point that the media tries to ignore,and hoping that the voters won't notice. I'd love to see him win, because I think he's honestt,experienced and not beholden to any banks or corporations. I'd also like to see him win, to prove that the media has twisted the coverage of this campaign towards their own chosen favorites.
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Democrats and independents can still register to vote in primaries or caucuses in twelve states, the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico, Guam and the U.S. Virgin Islands, which should help Bernie's momentum. List in link, although voters should verify it.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/5/1511193/-17-States-to-Go-Democrat...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/4/5/1511193/-17-States-to-Go-Democrat...
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As Bernie wins yet another primary by a wide margin, the Panama fiasco unfolds. HRC lobbied for the Panama FTA agreement, while Bernie voted against it in the Senate and warned it would be a haven for criminality. Lo and behold, HRC is even further involved: Deutsche Bank benefited greatly from the Panama FTA, and HRC got $485,000 in speaking fees from them. And, further, Podesta, her campaign chair, is a member of Podesta Group, which signed up to lobby for Russia's Sberbank, one of the other parties stashing their wealth overseas.
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Super delegates in states where Bernie has won majorities need to be spoken to now. The other states too.
If he sweeps the remaining primaries while having super delegates deliver Clinton the nomination we may well have a republican president.
Hanging chads V.2.
Clinton's first speech of 2017 will be to Goldman Sachs, and her rate will have gone up substantially.
It's O.K., she will have earned it.
If he sweeps the remaining primaries while having super delegates deliver Clinton the nomination we may well have a republican president.
Hanging chads V.2.
Clinton's first speech of 2017 will be to Goldman Sachs, and her rate will have gone up substantially.
It's O.K., she will have earned it.
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How can any democrat not like Bernie? I get it, his message resonates with the young democratic voters. It also resonates with this 61 year old democratic voter. I also really liked McGovern. A Sanders presidency will not happen much like McGovern's failed run for the oval office. Democrats have only one realistic choice and that choice is Hillary, for better or for worse. In retrospect you have to wish that Obama would have picked a younger, more dynamic VP than Biden. This is the reason Hillary is the only choice, unfortunately.
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Hillary is not the only choice. Go w/Bernie, the one you like. I'm no longer holding my nose and voting for the lesser of two evils because it's "practical." That's been HRC's, DWS', and the DNC's mantra since this campaign began. They're upset because their queen bee was supposed to skate easily through the nomination process and instead of token opposition, she got real opposition, which is good. Hillary is not a Democrat; she is a Republican passing as a Democrat. FDR, HST, JFK, and Jimmy Carter, although he leaned right, were real Republicans. The Clintons turned the party into a spineless clone of the Republicans in order to further their own agenda. The Bernie people, not the Hillary people, are the true Democrats. If you like Bernie, vote for him.
Sorry. Still not feeling "The Bern"....This is not to say that he's not right about many issues, especially those regarding the unequal distribution of wealth in this country. And yes, he even he seems like a nice kind of a guy; if you can get past the fact that he always sounds so darn angry. And his supporters also sound so angry. Listen I'm angry too. Who isn't? But after awhile, it all starts to chafe.
Now this is not to say that Clinton is a saint without error or any form of political baggage. Everybody knows the world of politics is not built for sainthood. Not Clinton's, not Sanders' -- and DEFINITELY not Cruz or Trump's!
So, convince me. Because there are probably a few of us out there who still need to be convinced. Just try to do it without the usual slew of anti-Clinton bashings and "Wall Street/ Goldman Sachs/Goldwater Girl" tropes.
Negativity is out. The Positive Revolution is on.
Now this is not to say that Clinton is a saint without error or any form of political baggage. Everybody knows the world of politics is not built for sainthood. Not Clinton's, not Sanders' -- and DEFINITELY not Cruz or Trump's!
So, convince me. Because there are probably a few of us out there who still need to be convinced. Just try to do it without the usual slew of anti-Clinton bashings and "Wall Street/ Goldman Sachs/Goldwater Girl" tropes.
Negativity is out. The Positive Revolution is on.
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@ N Smith
Kudos to you for keeping an open mind. I voted for Bernie in the Democrats Abroad primary because
1) climate change. Bernie seems to be the only candidate on either side to acknowledge the gravity of the situation. In short: junkscience.com/2016/03/trump-vs-hillary-on-environmental-issues/ (titled Trump v Hillary, but Bernie is included too)
2) Judgment. I don't question the sincerity of either democratic candidate when it comes to their support for people of color, women, and the LGBTQ population. However, based on what i've read (especially when it comes to gay marriage), Sanders has outspokenly been on (what i see as) the "correct" side of these issues from before it was a popular or universally accepted viewpoint. This suggests that we can count on him to be on the fair and just (ie correct) side of similar issues that may arise in the future from the beginning, and not only once the electorate starts to come around.
3) Money. It's hard for me to believe that politicians can accept large sums of money without it affecting their politics. I know "outside spending" (ie Super PACs) don't coordinate with the candidates, but it still makes me uncomfortable that $21M (nearly 10% of the stated total) of Clinton's campaign and outside-group contributions are from the Securities & Investment sector.
(Center for Responsive Politics data at www.opensecrets.org)
I also think Bernie is less likely to get us involved in overseas conflicts.
For Bernie, but not Anti Hillary.
Kudos to you for keeping an open mind. I voted for Bernie in the Democrats Abroad primary because
1) climate change. Bernie seems to be the only candidate on either side to acknowledge the gravity of the situation. In short: junkscience.com/2016/03/trump-vs-hillary-on-environmental-issues/ (titled Trump v Hillary, but Bernie is included too)
2) Judgment. I don't question the sincerity of either democratic candidate when it comes to their support for people of color, women, and the LGBTQ population. However, based on what i've read (especially when it comes to gay marriage), Sanders has outspokenly been on (what i see as) the "correct" side of these issues from before it was a popular or universally accepted viewpoint. This suggests that we can count on him to be on the fair and just (ie correct) side of similar issues that may arise in the future from the beginning, and not only once the electorate starts to come around.
3) Money. It's hard for me to believe that politicians can accept large sums of money without it affecting their politics. I know "outside spending" (ie Super PACs) don't coordinate with the candidates, but it still makes me uncomfortable that $21M (nearly 10% of the stated total) of Clinton's campaign and outside-group contributions are from the Securities & Investment sector.
(Center for Responsive Politics data at www.opensecrets.org)
I also think Bernie is less likely to get us involved in overseas conflicts.
For Bernie, but not Anti Hillary.
@tnexpat
It is you too, who should be thanked. I was totally expecting tons of negative responses. But was instead very surprised, that no one besides yourself has arisen to the challenge.
I'm still not completely sold on Sanders first and foremost because he hasn't been exactly on the radar until very recently. And he's not even a registered Democrat!
There's no real accounting or transparency of his finances, and for someone who's grossed over $44 m in contributions that's rather odd. Especially since he talks a lot about money on the campaign trail.
He doesn't really click with the African-American and other "Minority" communities. That in itself speaks volumes.
His record on Foreign Affairs? Negligible. Just because he might not get the U.S. involved in overseas conflicts, doesn't mean we won't have to deal with them.
End effect. Still on the fence about the Bern.
It is you too, who should be thanked. I was totally expecting tons of negative responses. But was instead very surprised, that no one besides yourself has arisen to the challenge.
I'm still not completely sold on Sanders first and foremost because he hasn't been exactly on the radar until very recently. And he's not even a registered Democrat!
There's no real accounting or transparency of his finances, and for someone who's grossed over $44 m in contributions that's rather odd. Especially since he talks a lot about money on the campaign trail.
He doesn't really click with the African-American and other "Minority" communities. That in itself speaks volumes.
His record on Foreign Affairs? Negligible. Just because he might not get the U.S. involved in overseas conflicts, doesn't mean we won't have to deal with them.
End effect. Still on the fence about the Bern.
9 in 10 said Sanders was honest in trustworthy. Who are the 1 in 10??
Sanders is the most refreshingly honest pol ever
He refuses to lie or alter his views just to curry favor or get elected
That's integrity
6 in 10 said Clinton was honest and trustworthy
Seriously?? She will change her tune on a dime, often stealing right from Sander's speeches
6 in 10 people believe Hil-LIAR_Y
Must be 6 in 10 getting government meds
Sanders is the most refreshingly honest pol ever
He refuses to lie or alter his views just to curry favor or get elected
That's integrity
6 in 10 said Clinton was honest and trustworthy
Seriously?? She will change her tune on a dime, often stealing right from Sander's speeches
6 in 10 people believe Hil-LIAR_Y
Must be 6 in 10 getting government meds
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In the perfect year for the Democrats we are about to nominate a pleasantly ill-informed socialist with a host of impossible wish list ideas or somebody who is not electable. Meanwhile the republicans will probably nominate a crude, unpleasant ill-informed egotist who "ideas" are bdheer nonsense. Surely we could have done better.
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As an outsider, I can only repeat:
We need a Sanders.
The world needs a Sanders.
And before all, the US needs a Sanders.
We need a Sanders.
The world needs a Sanders.
And before all, the US needs a Sanders.
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Interestingly while the NY Times and the Washington Post, icons of the liberal elites, panned Bernie's performance before the Daily News editorial board, Juan Gonzalez, a Daily News columnist who attended the interview said he thought Bernie did a good job. Go figure!
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And I'm sure the timing of the articles was just a coincidence. As was the fact that it was headline news on the CNN website yesterday afternoon. Blatant and disgusting.
American's, should eat more Wisconsin cheese. There seems to be a fair amount of common sense in it.
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I finally made up my mind to back Hillary after listening to that wise sage of the Democrats- James Carville. Hillary is running on the highly successful record of two presidents - her husband and Obama. If you are impressed by their successes and Hillary's promise to continue their policies, Bernie makes no sense and is tarnishing their images. Just listening to Bernie about his pie in the sky promise of universal healthcare; you would think Obamacare is a disaster. You would also think he was promising a Bolshevik revolution with all the wealth of the rich being seized for the masses.
His demagoguery is just as dangerous as the Canadian Senator claiming last night he will create jobs by abolishing Obamacare and eliminating the IRS. Only one party has a sixteen year track record of prosperity and job creation.Hillary will continue that The bald guy is right.
His demagoguery is just as dangerous as the Canadian Senator claiming last night he will create jobs by abolishing Obamacare and eliminating the IRS. Only one party has a sixteen year track record of prosperity and job creation.Hillary will continue that The bald guy is right.
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@LVG
Great comment and you're 1000% correct!
Hillary 2016!
Great comment and you're 1000% correct!
Hillary 2016!
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Bernie and his inability to stand up to gun lobby = me too fearful to
ever vote for him. What else does we have proof he runs from?
ever vote for him. What else does we have proof he runs from?
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What else does we have proof he runs from
we doesnt know
we doesnt know
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I like Bernie, but I wish he wouldn't imply that Hillary is corrupted by money she gets from donors who don't support him.
Her speech schedule, too, should be off-limits as it is her prerogative to cash in on her clout (most-famous, most-admired, most-powerful American female politician of the last 30 years) -- many of her speaking engagements have been with non-Wall Street entities, and a speaker is out to influence the listener, not the other way around. Turning speeches into an allegation of "guilty by association" is the kind of low blow I'd expect from Karl Rove.
If/When Hillary gets the nomination, she will still need widespread support to win the general. So be honest, Bernie supporters.
(Note: Hillary held a national favorable rating close to 60% for many years, right up until November, 2012, when the GOP propaganda machine shifted its focus to the likely 2016 Dem candidate.)
Her speech schedule, too, should be off-limits as it is her prerogative to cash in on her clout (most-famous, most-admired, most-powerful American female politician of the last 30 years) -- many of her speaking engagements have been with non-Wall Street entities, and a speaker is out to influence the listener, not the other way around. Turning speeches into an allegation of "guilty by association" is the kind of low blow I'd expect from Karl Rove.
If/When Hillary gets the nomination, she will still need widespread support to win the general. So be honest, Bernie supporters.
(Note: Hillary held a national favorable rating close to 60% for many years, right up until November, 2012, when the GOP propaganda machine shifted its focus to the likely 2016 Dem candidate.)
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She IS corrupted by money, her and Bill could write a book on the subject. And I'm not implying it, I'm saying in words of (almost) one syllable. No triangulation needed.
When Bernie first entered this race as one his supporters from the start it was only in my wildest dreams that I hope that now,11 months later he would still be in the running and still have a chance to win the nomination.Why just 3 weeks ago ,when Bernie lost 4 out of 5 ,I never expected that he would follow that with 6 wins in a row.I assumed the losses 3 weeks ago took all the air out the campaign.I sure experienced a let down ,but apparently Bernie didn't and 11 days later I had the exhilarating experience of being part of his Washington state Caucus win.
After Bernie's three March 26 wins Chris Matthews put them in perspective by quoting the just departed Joe Garaiola announcing many a ball game in around the 5th inning ; "There's still a lot of baseball left."I'll compare this to the 1995 Seattle "Refuse to lose " Mariners;at the beginning of August everyone but them and we,their fans had given up on them.Bernie's difference from them is he can get into and win the electoral "World Series ." Polls show him more likely than Hillary to beat the eventual GOP nominee.
Three weeks ago the nomination appeared to be Hillary's to clinch,but that continues to elude her.Perhaps the pro Hillary Super Delegates are beginning to look at Bernie in new more open minded light ?
After Bernie's three March 26 wins Chris Matthews put them in perspective by quoting the just departed Joe Garaiola announcing many a ball game in around the 5th inning ; "There's still a lot of baseball left."I'll compare this to the 1995 Seattle "Refuse to lose " Mariners;at the beginning of August everyone but them and we,their fans had given up on them.Bernie's difference from them is he can get into and win the electoral "World Series ." Polls show him more likely than Hillary to beat the eventual GOP nominee.
Three weeks ago the nomination appeared to be Hillary's to clinch,but that continues to elude her.Perhaps the pro Hillary Super Delegates are beginning to look at Bernie in new more open minded light ?
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Let's say Sanders wins the Democratic nomination, and defeats whatever fire-breathing Republican for the White House. The House of Representatives will, in all probability, remain in Republican hands. The Senate could possibly go to the Democrats, maybe. President Sanders will not get anything done to Republican obstruction, even in the Senate where possible Minority leader McConnell will top his own previous record for filibusters. Sanders does not have the experience of knowing the enemy (Republicans) nearly as well as Hillary Clinton. She is much more likely to now how to use her political power if she is the President.
One final thought, I'm giving Bernie the benefit of the doubt when I imagine what his Presidency would be like. The Republicans will campaign against his "democratic socialism" so fiercely that the average voter will think that Bernie will prevent them from owning a house, a car, or anything else. The Fox News channel and talk radio will never refer to Candidate Sanders other than "the Communist."
One final thought, I'm giving Bernie the benefit of the doubt when I imagine what his Presidency would be like. The Republicans will campaign against his "democratic socialism" so fiercely that the average voter will think that Bernie will prevent them from owning a house, a car, or anything else. The Fox News channel and talk radio will never refer to Candidate Sanders other than "the Communist."
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The ignorant fringe that eats up FOX Nooz propaganda is a small and shrinking minority...
I will not vote for Clinton or Sanders, but I am amazed at the bias of the article for Clinton. Example in paragraph 17, it states that Sanders won becuse the state is 88% white and does not reflect the larger more diverse populations of New York and Pennsylvania. However the last sentence states that Barack Obama best Hiliary Clinton by 17 percetage points In Wisconsin.
What is the writer saying. HRC wins in more diverse states but loses in mainly whites states even to a man of color?
Thee simple fact remains HRC is 1 for 7 in the last 8 primaries ...if this was football the fans would be callnng for a new quaterback. Oh, but they have...Sanders 7 for 8.
What is the writer saying. HRC wins in more diverse states but loses in mainly whites states even to a man of color?
Thee simple fact remains HRC is 1 for 7 in the last 8 primaries ...if this was football the fans would be callnng for a new quaterback. Oh, but they have...Sanders 7 for 8.
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At this point, I'd be happy with either Sanders or Clinton as long as he/she can defeat Trump or Cruz or whomever the Republican convention nominates. It is likely that Clinton is to be the last of the traditional Democrats to get a nomination if she does get it. After that, the nominee will be further to her left. Unfortunately, looking not merely at Trump and Cruz but also at all the other Republican hopefuls who have since withdrawn, it is clear they have all been hard line conservatives (albeit with Trump eschewing some conservative orthodoxy), whom we used to define as radical right wingers. The real problem for us, is that the Republican center is moving ever further to the right and the Democrats' center is moving ever further to the left. It appears that crossing the aisle will become like crossing an impassable chasm. This bodes ill for the very ordinary tasks of just governing the country, never mind making it better for all.
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Hope the Times doesn't think it's a mistake to print a positive-sounding Sanders report today! Please don't edit it and re-publish (the Times would never do that). So now the negative media narrative coming from Clinton and others is that Sanders is not qualified because he did not give a knee-jerk answer to the Daily News questions re banks and re gun manufacturers. We need a president who thinks before speaking. And in terms of qualifications, how about asking: is Clinton qualified to be commander in chief? After all,
she was in favor of an invasion (two, actually) that caused over a million deaths, many more millions of people displaced leading to the migration that is a crisis in Europe. In another context, A.O. Scott writes today about the parallel to the tragic aftermath of WWI and a "massive displacement of
populations" that had devastating political consequences. Clinton's record on intervention and overall hawkishness disqualifies her in the eyes of many voters.
she was in favor of an invasion (two, actually) that caused over a million deaths, many more millions of people displaced leading to the migration that is a crisis in Europe. In another context, A.O. Scott writes today about the parallel to the tragic aftermath of WWI and a "massive displacement of
populations" that had devastating political consequences. Clinton's record on intervention and overall hawkishness disqualifies her in the eyes of many voters.
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While I have already chosen my candidate, I would like to hear more details about Sander's voting history and his plans. The coverage surrounding him has centered only on him in relation to Clinton and has been negligent when it comes to examining him for his own merits or failings. His long public service coupled with the fact that the only negative comment about his record is his support for gun ownership either speaks volumes about him or the failure to fully cover him. I'm assuming it is the former.
Please expand on his difficulty explaining his plan to break up Wall Street banks. The fact that he doesn't know or forgot that one can no longer use a token on the subway in a state he hasn't lived in for decades is of absolutely no interest and is why I am reading this publication and not the Daily News.
Please expand on his difficulty explaining his plan to break up Wall Street banks. The fact that he doesn't know or forgot that one can no longer use a token on the subway in a state he hasn't lived in for decades is of absolutely no interest and is why I am reading this publication and not the Daily News.
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There are too many moving parts in this election cycle for anyone to predict what is going to turn out. Everyone can admit it's a beaut.
Bernie is a marvelous orator say compared to Cruz who is going to repeal Obamacare and gut the IRS and EPA. What wildly different speeches and crowds last night.
Bernie is the latest version of Hope and Change, Cruz and Trump are Gothic GOP "let's take these things away and go backward so your guns and prejudices can still comfort you." Cruz and his followers have no empathy for their victims.
Hillary can't escape her script. And in the case of Wisconsin we all have to ask if the right wing radio shows used Hillary as a warm-up band for its well-deserved tirades against Trump.
Bernie is a marvelous orator say compared to Cruz who is going to repeal Obamacare and gut the IRS and EPA. What wildly different speeches and crowds last night.
Bernie is the latest version of Hope and Change, Cruz and Trump are Gothic GOP "let's take these things away and go backward so your guns and prejudices can still comfort you." Cruz and his followers have no empathy for their victims.
Hillary can't escape her script. And in the case of Wisconsin we all have to ask if the right wing radio shows used Hillary as a warm-up band for its well-deserved tirades against Trump.
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Ms. Chozick, where are the percentages of Sanders vs. Clinton in Wisconsin? This should be in the first line of your story. It's the What?
When is the NYT going to recognize that its readers prefer Sanders.
When is the NYT going to recognize that its readers prefer Sanders.
As I was reading this article, I was thinking back to how Bernie was originally treated by the media as either some sort of freak show, or a guy whose job it was to push Mrs. Clinton to the left a bit more. His candidacy was not taken seriously at all.
In this article, I love Bernie saying, "I think people should be a little bit careful underestimating me". http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/30/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-fo...
I also love the way he responded to a question about his hair, for Pete's sake: "O.K., Ana, I don’t mean to be rude here. I am running for president of the United States on serious issues, O.K.? Do you have serious questions?" http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/magazine/bernie-sanders-has-heard-abou...
Go, Bernie! Here's another 10 bucks coming at ya!
In this article, I love Bernie saying, "I think people should be a little bit careful underestimating me". http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/30/us/politics/bernie-sanders-campaign-fo...
I also love the way he responded to a question about his hair, for Pete's sake: "O.K., Ana, I don’t mean to be rude here. I am running for president of the United States on serious issues, O.K.? Do you have serious questions?" http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/23/magazine/bernie-sanders-has-heard-abou...
Go, Bernie! Here's another 10 bucks coming at ya!
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The baby on the picture can detect evil.
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The NYT would get a thousand Bernie-ites complaining if a pic and a funky baby were used together in a photo. But you are OK if it is Clinton. Lol.
Nonsense. The baby is confronted by a thousand cameras and strange faces.
Try again.
Try again.
Bernie's getting nowhere near the White House. Time for him and his mislead followers to accept this.
I haven't read all of today's comments but I'm certain the thread will be full of the usual Bernie Bros trumpeting their latest false charges against the "big baddie", Hillary, and regurgitating their Bernie pie-in-the-sky, shopworn campaign platitudes. Yes, he won Wisconsin but it means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Feel the math, Hillary will win the nomination and the presidency.
The paper tiger, Sanders, showed himself for the clueless fraud he is in the Daily New Corp. Exec. Board interview which, I'm sure, Hillary will use against him. The interview shows Sanders to be astonishingly cranky, out of touch, and severely uninformed on the issues and his own ridiculous campaign "promises". The board asked him basic questions about "breaking up the banks", one of Sanders cornerstone platitudes, and he couldn't even offer a basic answer. Truly pathetic.
Get out of the race, Sanders, and let the real Democratic candidate do the critical job of beating the Republicans. I and most of America are sick of your misleading, ego-driven, disparaging campaign.
I haven't read all of today's comments but I'm certain the thread will be full of the usual Bernie Bros trumpeting their latest false charges against the "big baddie", Hillary, and regurgitating their Bernie pie-in-the-sky, shopworn campaign platitudes. Yes, he won Wisconsin but it means nothing. Absolutely nothing. Feel the math, Hillary will win the nomination and the presidency.
The paper tiger, Sanders, showed himself for the clueless fraud he is in the Daily New Corp. Exec. Board interview which, I'm sure, Hillary will use against him. The interview shows Sanders to be astonishingly cranky, out of touch, and severely uninformed on the issues and his own ridiculous campaign "promises". The board asked him basic questions about "breaking up the banks", one of Sanders cornerstone platitudes, and he couldn't even offer a basic answer. Truly pathetic.
Get out of the race, Sanders, and let the real Democratic candidate do the critical job of beating the Republicans. I and most of America are sick of your misleading, ego-driven, disparaging campaign.
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Hi there!
When you're done, please have a look at this here little NYTimes article. It may clear up the misconception that a presidential candidate is supposed to have memorized every financial statute in the last century and a half (which would be a feat even for the Treasury Secretary).
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/upshot/yes-bernie-sanders-knows-someth...
When you're done, please have a look at this here little NYTimes article. It may clear up the misconception that a presidential candidate is supposed to have memorized every financial statute in the last century and a half (which would be a feat even for the Treasury Secretary).
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/07/upshot/yes-bernie-sanders-knows-someth...
I am one of the independent voters, who will consider nominees of both parties, even though this is not going to happen in 2016. People are tired of the same old; I know I am. I will wholeheartedly vote for Sanders, but can't bring myself to believe in Hillary Clinton.
The last wins should have send a message to the super-delegates, this fight is far from over. I hope Bernie will be the nominee, because I believe in what he stands for, sadly he is the only one.
The last wins should have send a message to the super-delegates, this fight is far from over. I hope Bernie will be the nominee, because I believe in what he stands for, sadly he is the only one.
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Mr. Sanders' continuing defense of his vote to hold gun manufacturers legally harmless from the cosequences of their products' marketing and sales is troubling. His consistency on this issue may be admirable but substantively he is dead wrong.
On the other hand, Mrs. Clinton's continuing inability to inspire confidence among the young is now shown to be terminally chronic. The Democratic Party will need these votes in November. Mrs. Clinton will fail to deliver them.
The Party's best hope is that the GOP alternative will prove so execrable (the prospects for this are good) that all Democrats and left-leaners will flood to the polls in fear.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
On the other hand, Mrs. Clinton's continuing inability to inspire confidence among the young is now shown to be terminally chronic. The Democratic Party will need these votes in November. Mrs. Clinton will fail to deliver them.
The Party's best hope is that the GOP alternative will prove so execrable (the prospects for this are good) that all Democrats and left-leaners will flood to the polls in fear.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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His consistency represents his understanding of the state he has represented for 30 years. Look up Vermont's liberal gun laws and then its rate of gun violence.
Bernie took 30% of the African-American vote; in Wisconsin, even though Clinton camped out in Milwaukee, where the African American vote dominates.
He is the ONLY candidate that has been in Baltimore, site of last spring's uprising. Baltimore's issues are the very issues that are at the core of Sanders's domestic policies.
Bernie's numbers are increasing with Blacks now that the Deep South (Republican States in November).
It is vital to note that Clinton's popular vote and delegate lead Have Come From Those States.
He is the ONLY candidate that has been in Baltimore, site of last spring's uprising. Baltimore's issues are the very issues that are at the core of Sanders's domestic policies.
Bernie's numbers are increasing with Blacks now that the Deep South (Republican States in November).
It is vital to note that Clinton's popular vote and delegate lead Have Come From Those States.
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When I listened on Sunday's Meet the Press to Hilary avoiding Chuck Todd's questions about the transcripts of her Wall St speeches, I began to get a sense that maybe she is a fatally flawed candidate. Seems to me that the quickest way to dispel any questions about the speeches is to let everybody see what was said. Sanders does not strike me as the type of guy who would raise the question unless there was some substance to it. Maybe the Clinton campaign has made the decision that it is better to have the question out there and avoid it rather than have the answer out there and try to explain it. In any event, Sanders is for real.
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But Sanders has raised the issue on a lot of other subjects about Hillary that have been found to have no merit.
Fossil fuel contributions, for one. The Washington Post gave him three Pinocchios on that one and yet he asked Hillary to apologize. The NYT fact check site as well as PoilitiFact and FactCeck.org show that 97% of all contributions have gone to republicans.
Then there are the issues of Libya and Iraq. Sanders has painted Hillary as the candidate of regime change when it was actually Bernie himself that cosponsored and voted for Senate Resolution 85 hat called for intervention there and for Quadaffi to step down. Bernie also voted for regime Change in Iraq in the late 1990's
So, Bernie has been rather dishonest in trying to frame an image of himself and dishonest about Hillary. As it turned out (go to fact check sites) he really did vote against the funds for the auto bailout. He may have voted for a bailout months earlier, but that one did not pass.
Then you have the issue of the Daily News interview where he could not answer any specific questions about TBTF or Wall Street or who even has the authority to break up banks, etc. He does not even seem to have a plan beyond his rhetoric let alone enough information to criticize anyone else for not having done the right thing. I mean, he could not say what they should or could have done differently or how they fell short because he does not know what even happened with that process or how it even works.
Fossil fuel contributions, for one. The Washington Post gave him three Pinocchios on that one and yet he asked Hillary to apologize. The NYT fact check site as well as PoilitiFact and FactCeck.org show that 97% of all contributions have gone to republicans.
Then there are the issues of Libya and Iraq. Sanders has painted Hillary as the candidate of regime change when it was actually Bernie himself that cosponsored and voted for Senate Resolution 85 hat called for intervention there and for Quadaffi to step down. Bernie also voted for regime Change in Iraq in the late 1990's
So, Bernie has been rather dishonest in trying to frame an image of himself and dishonest about Hillary. As it turned out (go to fact check sites) he really did vote against the funds for the auto bailout. He may have voted for a bailout months earlier, but that one did not pass.
Then you have the issue of the Daily News interview where he could not answer any specific questions about TBTF or Wall Street or who even has the authority to break up banks, etc. He does not even seem to have a plan beyond his rhetoric let alone enough information to criticize anyone else for not having done the right thing. I mean, he could not say what they should or could have done differently or how they fell short because he does not know what even happened with that process or how it even works.
Wonderful "news!" Of course the NY Times and much of the rest of the media will bury this story below Cruz's upset of Trump. And it will always include backhanded praise like, "but still faces an uphill climb" or "but still trails in delegates."
I find it disappointing that the NY Times ALWAYS sends an email alert out when Trump wins or loses but ONLY sends out email alerts when Clinton wins. The NY Times extreme editorial bias has been showing through this entire race. And Clinton pretends that Sanders doesn't even exist. Well guess what, he's here to stay and your inability to deal with him head-on will be your downfall. Can't wait for the NY primary.
I find it disappointing that the NY Times ALWAYS sends an email alert out when Trump wins or loses but ONLY sends out email alerts when Clinton wins. The NY Times extreme editorial bias has been showing through this entire race. And Clinton pretends that Sanders doesn't even exist. Well guess what, he's here to stay and your inability to deal with him head-on will be your downfall. Can't wait for the NY primary.
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Bernie definitely has the passion, but I wonder about his depth of knowledge on the wide range of hugely important topics that a US President must grapple with. Read the transcript of the NY Daily News interview and judge for yourself.
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Dear New York Times,
Here is what you wrote in your News Alert announcing the Cruz victory in Wisconsin about the other side: "On the Democratic side, Senator Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton in a much closer contest." Perhaps it was premature in that all the results were not in but, from my perspective, here in frigid Vermont, I would not call 56.5%-Sanders to 43.1%-Clinton a "closer contest." I wouldn't. Words matter NYT. Words matter.
Here is what you wrote in your News Alert announcing the Cruz victory in Wisconsin about the other side: "On the Democratic side, Senator Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton in a much closer contest." Perhaps it was premature in that all the results were not in but, from my perspective, here in frigid Vermont, I would not call 56.5%-Sanders to 43.1%-Clinton a "closer contest." I wouldn't. Words matter NYT. Words matter.
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Feel the Bern!
This is a much bigger story than Trump not winning Wisconsin.
It's time the media got in line with the majority of Americans and dumped the old guard on its head. People are tired of the same old story., same old parties running this country.
This is a much bigger story than Trump not winning Wisconsin.
It's time the media got in line with the majority of Americans and dumped the old guard on its head. People are tired of the same old story., same old parties running this country.
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The media is part of the old guard. That's why they are so worried.
And now even the Walls Street Journal, via its Market Watch site, condemns the mainstream media deliberate and carefully planned campaign to marginalize Sanders -
"But it is the treatment of Sanders that will go down as a black mark on American journalism, especially if he pulls off the political upset he has forecast and dethrones Hillary Clinton on the way to her coronation as Democratic nominee.
“If Donald Trump weren’t dominating the coverage in this election, Bernie Sanders would be the big story,” CNN political commentator Sally Kohn observed last week. “Whether he wins or not, I expect the biggest part of Sanders’s legacy will be a generation of engaged, honest and bold leaders who work within government and not just outside and against it.”
In a series of blogs in Huffington Post, Seth Abramson of the University of New Hampshire accuses the mainstream media of missing the momentum shift in the Democratic race that he dates back to the beginning of March.
“The Democratic primary race changed fundamentally — indeed, radically — after March 1st,” he wrote last week, “and the national media’s failure to register this and work it into their polling, projections, and punditry is one of the most wide-ranging, public, and ultimately influential journalistic failures of the last decade.”
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/biased-mainstream-media-miss-real-campa...
"But it is the treatment of Sanders that will go down as a black mark on American journalism, especially if he pulls off the political upset he has forecast and dethrones Hillary Clinton on the way to her coronation as Democratic nominee.
“If Donald Trump weren’t dominating the coverage in this election, Bernie Sanders would be the big story,” CNN political commentator Sally Kohn observed last week. “Whether he wins or not, I expect the biggest part of Sanders’s legacy will be a generation of engaged, honest and bold leaders who work within government and not just outside and against it.”
In a series of blogs in Huffington Post, Seth Abramson of the University of New Hampshire accuses the mainstream media of missing the momentum shift in the Democratic race that he dates back to the beginning of March.
“The Democratic primary race changed fundamentally — indeed, radically — after March 1st,” he wrote last week, “and the national media’s failure to register this and work it into their polling, projections, and punditry is one of the most wide-ranging, public, and ultimately influential journalistic failures of the last decade.”
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/biased-mainstream-media-miss-real-campa...
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I saw Chuck Todd with Seth Myers last night and Sanders barely merited a mention. Todd spoke of Hillary's nomination almost in the past tense. I really wonder what these "experts", both pundits and pollsters, get paid to do?
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What with all of the uproar with the Panama Papers - which the NYT has not covered well at all - I would like to see all candidates answer the question "How much wealth that you control is invested in offshore entities?" Sure, it's "legal": you can make anything legal if you pay the politicians enough to write the laws you way you want them. But it is also important that those of us not among the privileged few know who avoids payment of taxes using these shenanigans.
My guess is that our current crop of presidential hopefuls might be narrowed down once the true answers to that question are known.
My guess is that our current crop of presidential hopefuls might be narrowed down once the true answers to that question are known.
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I am under no more illusions than anyone who has been voting for 40 years, but at least Sanders and Trump are making this, as my grandfather would have said, "A real horse race." I don't particularly care for any of the candidates running, and frankly, on the Republican side, Ted Cruz frightens me far more than Trump does. But on the Democrat side, the Unexpected Rise of Sanders shouldn't be that Unexpected after decades of both parties pretty much ignoring the electorates except in election years.
And that goes for the rise of populism in Europe as well, and for today's quasi-EU referendum in The Netherlands. In 2005, the Dutch came out in droves and soundly defeated signing on to a "broader" EU constitution. The Dutch government ignored the result, and the constitution was adopted, anyway. Fast forward 11 years and now the Dutch government is begging the public to let bygones be bygones and vote the way the government wants them to. The polls suggest that the Dutch electorate may have other views - we shall see.
Electorates are tired of being ignored except when their votes or taxes are being collected. Hence, Sanders. Hence, Trump. Hence, rising populism.
Having left electorates no other route to impact the system except doing, what may or may not be The Wrong Thing At The Wrong Time, is anyone really that surprised that Hillary is having a spot of trouble on the way to her coronation?
Schadenfreude, much?
And that goes for the rise of populism in Europe as well, and for today's quasi-EU referendum in The Netherlands. In 2005, the Dutch came out in droves and soundly defeated signing on to a "broader" EU constitution. The Dutch government ignored the result, and the constitution was adopted, anyway. Fast forward 11 years and now the Dutch government is begging the public to let bygones be bygones and vote the way the government wants them to. The polls suggest that the Dutch electorate may have other views - we shall see.
Electorates are tired of being ignored except when their votes or taxes are being collected. Hence, Sanders. Hence, Trump. Hence, rising populism.
Having left electorates no other route to impact the system except doing, what may or may not be The Wrong Thing At The Wrong Time, is anyone really that surprised that Hillary is having a spot of trouble on the way to her coronation?
Schadenfreude, much?
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At this point the Clinton Campaign has got to feet like they booked tickets on the Titanic.
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I will be, in a few moments, opening another browser tab to contribute another $27.00, and maybe a few shekels more, to Bernie's campaign. Go, Bern, Go!
I expect to fall under the wrath of the Harpies for this, but Hillary Clinton is the wrong person (man/woman/LGBT) at the wrong time with the wrong --and long-- baggage train and, to top it off, the wrong message and the wrong temperament. Her early success was due to precisely to Bernie Sanders's relative anonymity ten months ago. At that time Sanders was Don Quixote to Hillary's Joan of Arc. Oh, what a difference a day makes.
Hillary's silence on her speeches to Wall Street IS a big deal, and getting bigger with each stonewalling day. Her hubris regarding using a private server for shunting emails directly related to her position of Secretary of State IS a problem, and shows no sign of going away.
If, as I hope, Bernie's momentum carries him to victories in New York, Pennsylvania and the more populous states of the East, and if Hillary really does want what is best for America, and not just the Hope diamond in her tiara, she will have to re-assess her priorities. But don't bet on it. Trump's biggest negative happens to also be Hillary's: Ego.
I expect to fall under the wrath of the Harpies for this, but Hillary Clinton is the wrong person (man/woman/LGBT) at the wrong time with the wrong --and long-- baggage train and, to top it off, the wrong message and the wrong temperament. Her early success was due to precisely to Bernie Sanders's relative anonymity ten months ago. At that time Sanders was Don Quixote to Hillary's Joan of Arc. Oh, what a difference a day makes.
Hillary's silence on her speeches to Wall Street IS a big deal, and getting bigger with each stonewalling day. Her hubris regarding using a private server for shunting emails directly related to her position of Secretary of State IS a problem, and shows no sign of going away.
If, as I hope, Bernie's momentum carries him to victories in New York, Pennsylvania and the more populous states of the East, and if Hillary really does want what is best for America, and not just the Hope diamond in her tiara, she will have to re-assess her priorities. But don't bet on it. Trump's biggest negative happens to also be Hillary's: Ego.
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Coud the NY Times make the heading for Sander's win any smaller? The obvious attempt by mainstream media to downplay any win by Sanders is just one more issue that motivates more voters to his camp.
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The polls had Bernie ahead by 3 points, but he won by over 13 points. This after winning the previous 5 or 6 contests by wide margins. The NY Times, as usual has tried to downplay Bernie's victory. Kept mentioning in the article that Hillary had already gone to NY while Bernie was still campaigning in Wisconsin. NY Times (and Washington Post) please let go of your pro-Hillary biases for a bit, and give Bernie some credit!
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What's the take-away from the last few primaries? That current political parties are neither reflecting the interests of voters nor offering them much hope. Voters are asking for a change in the corrupt status quo....and finally realizing that if they want it they will have to pay for it either through money or involvement or both if the party system is to function in a constructive and socially constructive manner.
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Hillary is up to the challenge. She's a savvy hard worker. She has huge bank of goodwill in her corner, and an economy running better than any other.
Something that has gone unnoticed - pay attention to her response in the Florida debate to the woman from Central America with her 5 kids, around 50 minutes in. That showed a side of her reminiscent of Bill in the Bush debate, when he stepped forward to engage a vulnerable audience member with his empathy. It's the moment that changed America's heart toward the man. It went unnoticed this time. That's unfortunate. I hope the campaign will use it.
Something that has gone unnoticed - pay attention to her response in the Florida debate to the woman from Central America with her 5 kids, around 50 minutes in. That showed a side of her reminiscent of Bill in the Bush debate, when he stepped forward to engage a vulnerable audience member with his empathy. It's the moment that changed America's heart toward the man. It went unnoticed this time. That's unfortunate. I hope the campaign will use it.
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"I'm not a candidate who goes to the unions, goes to workers and then leaves and goes to a fund-raiser with Wall Street...You are my family." These words from a Sanders speech in Wisconsin (ably quoted in your lead article, thank you, NYT!) really strike me as what's happening with Bernie Sanders. His supporters not only hear the words of his speeches, we connect with him, feel a trust and a warmth. Reminds me of what people said about FDR. Who cares if he said "token" instead of metro-card? We trust him to work with esteemed experts in banking or energy to develop the policies he has outlined in his speeches. The media now have a responsibility to cover his campaign in greater depth. Interview economist Jeffrey Sachs at Columbia or Robert Reich (from the Clinton administration, no less.) Reprise the original article you published about Sanders' work in Congress getting things done, even with amendments. Talk about his filibuster. Quote his speech in 2011 opposing the Panama trade deal, now back in the news and relevant to one of his key issues. The Times does not have to endorse Sanders, just do the job of reporting on the campaign.
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Neglected to include a description as to how Trade Agreements, especially the TPP, destroy the last vestiges of our Democracy, and effectively end our sovereignty, see below -
NPR has detailed Clinton’s long history of contradictory statements on trade -
"President Bill Clinton fought a bruising battle to pass NAFTA in 1993 against a wall of opposition in a Democratic Congress. Predictably, first lady Hillary lent her support and in 1996, she trumpeted NAFTA as "proving its worth." It would have been remarkable for her to split with her husband over trade, just as it would be remarkable for her to split with President Obama over promotion of the TPP while serving in the cabinet as his Secretary of State."
The best test of her views on trade are her votes as U.S. Senator. Between 2001-2009, she voted for every trade deal but one; voting in favor of free trade agreements with Singapore, Chile, Australia, Morocco and Oman. She also voiced support for the 2007 Peru FTA.
"New data indicates that the U.S. trade deficit has swelled to the highest level in more than six years. This flood of imports robs American workers of jobs and saps the economic recovery. Yet President Obama is escalating pressure on Congress to approve “Fast Track” trade authority, which would limit Congressional debate on major trade agreements and speed their approval."
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2015/05/12824/sanders-race-clinton-cant-dodg...
NPR has detailed Clinton’s long history of contradictory statements on trade -
"President Bill Clinton fought a bruising battle to pass NAFTA in 1993 against a wall of opposition in a Democratic Congress. Predictably, first lady Hillary lent her support and in 1996, she trumpeted NAFTA as "proving its worth." It would have been remarkable for her to split with her husband over trade, just as it would be remarkable for her to split with President Obama over promotion of the TPP while serving in the cabinet as his Secretary of State."
The best test of her views on trade are her votes as U.S. Senator. Between 2001-2009, she voted for every trade deal but one; voting in favor of free trade agreements with Singapore, Chile, Australia, Morocco and Oman. She also voiced support for the 2007 Peru FTA.
"New data indicates that the U.S. trade deficit has swelled to the highest level in more than six years. This flood of imports robs American workers of jobs and saps the economic recovery. Yet President Obama is escalating pressure on Congress to approve “Fast Track” trade authority, which would limit Congressional debate on major trade agreements and speed their approval."
http://www.prwatch.org/news/2015/05/12824/sanders-race-clinton-cant-dodg...
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Too bad the WAPO report of Sanders' Daily News editorial board interview didn't get big play before the Wisconson vote. WHERE HAS THE PRESS BEEN?
Now all we'll hear is how Sanders has momentum. Nothing about how little he knows about domestic or foreign policy .. or even his own big stump speech ideas.
Where is the big NYT story on this? As VOX says, 'Clinton would be crucified if she gave answers like he did.' [paraphrased.]
Now all we'll hear is how Sanders has momentum. Nothing about how little he knows about domestic or foreign policy .. or even his own big stump speech ideas.
Where is the big NYT story on this? As VOX says, 'Clinton would be crucified if she gave answers like he did.' [paraphrased.]
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Hope. Finally, hope. I have a fading 'Money Out, Bernie In!' sticker on my car. The first time I've ever put a sticker on a car - on anything for that matter. But it's not really a sticker, it's a bird. A flying bird, but the kind without feathers. An 'In Your Face' bird. Go Bernie! Go!
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Ms Clinton,what did you promise the big banks?Why don't you reveal the transcript of those lucrative conferences?Why are you so one sided towards Israel? Why are you so ready to go to war like you did in Libia and Iraq?Don't answer.I just don't trust you...
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The question is this: How much leverage will Sanders have at the convention to change Clinton's stance on economic inequality and policy? Unfortunately, my sense is no, as she's got all the big-money donors in her corner, so even if she says favorable things about Sanders's positions, she's unlikely to abide by them if she wins in November. Big money is too powerful and influential, despite all the votes for Sanders. It's depressing.
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Sanders victory speech after his victory in Wisconsin was truly inspirational. Of course, Anderson Cooper on CNN had to cut him off because he was going on too long. Now, back to Donald Trump.
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If Bernie continues to win and the Democratic Party rejects him in favor of Clinton -- the neocon defender of Israeli atrocities -- there will NOT be a riot.
Instead there will be an awakening. And millions of people, particularly the young, will finally come to understand that they live in a plutocracy -- government controlled by the rich -- and not a democracy.
And it is a lesson they will not unlearn regardless of the corporate media's incessant propaganda to the contrary.
And the Democratic party -- like the Republicans -- will be exposed for what they are, hand puppets of the rich.
Then the real revolution can begin.
Instead there will be an awakening. And millions of people, particularly the young, will finally come to understand that they live in a plutocracy -- government controlled by the rich -- and not a democracy.
And it is a lesson they will not unlearn regardless of the corporate media's incessant propaganda to the contrary.
And the Democratic party -- like the Republicans -- will be exposed for what they are, hand puppets of the rich.
Then the real revolution can begin.
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Can't wait for the race of non-electables Sanders-Cruz.
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This victory as well as the others in the past in open primary or caucus in predominately white states was expected by the math people and taken into account when saying Sanders cannot win, and has, de facto, already lost. Therefore, while I see how it makes Sanders and his supporters happy, it does nothing to change the reality of his already recognized loss over-all.
We are coming up on very large closed primaries wherein the diversity of Democratic voices will be heard yet again and Sanders cannot win them for all the realities that Sanders is known to ignore - you know, like how his fairytale plans could ever be implemented.
I know it is more fun to live in a fantasy like ice cream is good for you and the math of the scale can be denied, but there it is.
We are coming up on very large closed primaries wherein the diversity of Democratic voices will be heard yet again and Sanders cannot win them for all the realities that Sanders is known to ignore - you know, like how his fairytale plans could ever be implemented.
I know it is more fun to live in a fantasy like ice cream is good for you and the math of the scale can be denied, but there it is.
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It is amazing to me that black voters continue to be bamboozled by the Clinton aura. The Clinton duo's words, policies, and deeds have savaged the black working class, yet they are given a loyalty that borders on masochism. Will black New Yorkers continue this trend, or will they finally realize that Hillary's a paid agent of the banksters that robbed so many of their homes and futures. Stand up New York, demand that Hillary release her speeches to the Wall Street leeches, and rebuff the faux "I feel your pain" hornswaggle peddled by a candidate whose insincerity is only exceeded by her ambition and sense of entitlement.
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@riclys
What you might not understand is, Blacks have a long history if being "bambaoozled" in this country.
And if you want to look at it that way, there's little difference between Clinton's "I feel your pain" and the Sanders' "I Can't Breathe" ads he's running.
There's little doubt Sanders' is consistently failing to appeal to the African-American community. But have you ever wondered why???
What you might not understand is, Blacks have a long history if being "bambaoozled" in this country.
And if you want to look at it that way, there's little difference between Clinton's "I feel your pain" and the Sanders' "I Can't Breathe" ads he's running.
There's little doubt Sanders' is consistently failing to appeal to the African-American community. But have you ever wondered why???
He gets my $5 a month donation, not Hillary/Billary. Why? Because he's honest. She is not.
Also, whenever the Times shows "polls" with Hillary in the lead, from now on I will know Bernie is winning.
He is our next President and that's all there is to it.
Also, whenever the Times shows "polls" with Hillary in the lead, from now on I will know Bernie is winning.
He is our next President and that's all there is to it.
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The NYT still can't report on Bernie Sanders without snideness. Now they don't like him because he's unfamiliar with the New York City subway system. I wonder if Hillary took the subway to get to the big banks on Wall Street to "earn" her speaking fees.
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No mention of the fact that he beat the poll projections by a full 10%? Or has he made fools of naysayers so often that this is no longer considered news?
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No mention of why he is refusing to release his income tax returns -- just like Romney.
What's he hiding?
What's he hiding?
The Queen is not wearing clothes despite what the Royal Court says.
The People see the truth.
The People see the truth.
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No, NY Times, Bernie's win in Wisconsin is WAY MORE than simply adding to his momentum...democratic primary voters/caucus goers are sending a CLEAR SIGNAL that Hillary is not the best candidate in the General Election. It is time that the NY Times stops treating the Sanders campaign as an interesting warm-up act to get Hillary ready for November. What people are saying is that actually many of us would PREFER Bernie!
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Hillary may win the nomination. But the DNC, rigging this race from the start ensuring no fair chance for any other candidate has assured Hillary loses the election. Which any Democrat would have won if there'd been a fair nomination contest, if the DNC had been a neutral party.
If Hillary becomes the nominee after a fair process, I'd vote for her although Bernie's my candidate. But that won't happen now. Even if Bernie wins from now on, Super Delegates ensure Hillary's nomination. And under those circumstances, I won't vote for her.
People will say 'What about Trump?' 'What about the Supreme Court?' But if enough Democratic voters fed up with the DNC creating an inside track to nominate their machine candidate choose to walk away, here's the message: The DNC manipulating/rigging the process so voters can't choose the nominee in a fair contest means some people leave the party.
I've watched as Bernie has made such impressive inroads. Given a chance to run against Hillary without DNC obstruction, he might have beat her. We'll never know. Of course Hillary wants to be president desperately enough to help the DNC rig the process for her. The Clintons & the DNC have proven how corrupt they are.
I'm a woman in my 60s & I am the Democratic base. I've campaigned & raised money for the Democrats since 1968, beginning with Robert Kennedy. I'm ashamed of the current DNC. I'm out until the Democrats clean up their act. Maybe we need a new party - this one is broken.
If Hillary becomes the nominee after a fair process, I'd vote for her although Bernie's my candidate. But that won't happen now. Even if Bernie wins from now on, Super Delegates ensure Hillary's nomination. And under those circumstances, I won't vote for her.
People will say 'What about Trump?' 'What about the Supreme Court?' But if enough Democratic voters fed up with the DNC creating an inside track to nominate their machine candidate choose to walk away, here's the message: The DNC manipulating/rigging the process so voters can't choose the nominee in a fair contest means some people leave the party.
I've watched as Bernie has made such impressive inroads. Given a chance to run against Hillary without DNC obstruction, he might have beat her. We'll never know. Of course Hillary wants to be president desperately enough to help the DNC rig the process for her. The Clintons & the DNC have proven how corrupt they are.
I'm a woman in my 60s & I am the Democratic base. I've campaigned & raised money for the Democrats since 1968, beginning with Robert Kennedy. I'm ashamed of the current DNC. I'm out until the Democrats clean up their act. Maybe we need a new party - this one is broken.
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Ms. Clinton has 2.5 million more votes than Mr. Sanders - many of whom were cast by women and minorities - the actual fraud by the DNC would be nullifying those votes and claiming Mr. Sanders was the winner.
Excellent post. Our feelings exactly as we will also be leaving. We are in our 50's. It is shameful what they have done to rig this entire process. They care nothing for their base.
I'm with that 100% and i also think under these unfair circumstances Sanders should start his own party if he does not get the nomination, especially since he has the better chances to win in the general elections.
Bernie counters all criticism of the "quixotic" nature of his campaign by predicting a "political revolution" that will create down ticket wins for Dems followed by a majority in both houses. That majority will then, it is implied, will pass the necessary legislation needed to break up the big banks, transition Obamacare into single payer, and raise the tax rate on the billionaires.
Here's the problem: virtually no Democratic congressional candidates are running on those policy solutions. They are also funded, in part, by the same special interests that he excoriates Hillary for taking money, as well as the national party who feeds at the corporate trough. Let's not forget how the wonderful Max Baucus and other Senators and congress-people compromised the Healthcare Reform Bill, killing the public option and making other giveaways to their corporate overlords.
OK, the Bernie folks say, but wait until 2018, when the Bernie agenda sweeps a wave of Elizabeth Warrens and Tulsi Gabbards into Congress. Unfortunately, 2 years into a President's administration is a year and a half longer than he or she gets to be defined as effective.
I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination--but without the full embrace of incumbent down ticket candidates (many of whom do not support single payer etc.--and many of whom are Hillary supporters) how does this move a progressive agenda forward? Answer: it doesn't.
I'll take Hillary's half-loaf approach as the best way to move in that direction.
Here's the problem: virtually no Democratic congressional candidates are running on those policy solutions. They are also funded, in part, by the same special interests that he excoriates Hillary for taking money, as well as the national party who feeds at the corporate trough. Let's not forget how the wonderful Max Baucus and other Senators and congress-people compromised the Healthcare Reform Bill, killing the public option and making other giveaways to their corporate overlords.
OK, the Bernie folks say, but wait until 2018, when the Bernie agenda sweeps a wave of Elizabeth Warrens and Tulsi Gabbards into Congress. Unfortunately, 2 years into a President's administration is a year and a half longer than he or she gets to be defined as effective.
I'll vote for him if he gets the nomination--but without the full embrace of incumbent down ticket candidates (many of whom do not support single payer etc.--and many of whom are Hillary supporters) how does this move a progressive agenda forward? Answer: it doesn't.
I'll take Hillary's half-loaf approach as the best way to move in that direction.
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So, according to Clinton's campaign manager, a Sanders nomination would overturn "the will of the voters?" Meaning, I suppose, that it wouldn't be legitimate? That's a rather arrogant and presumptuous thing to say. The will of the voters is yet to be determined.
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It's about delegates. Every state that Sanders has "won" is not necessarily an overwhelming win. Take Wisconsin for example. It's not a winner-take-all state. So Sanders got 47 delegates, and Clinton got 36 according to the latest numbers. Clinton is leading Sanders in delegates by 250, and by about 750 if you include super-delegates.
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I am an immigrant on a green card who has been living in the US for almost 20 years. This is the first time since I moved here that I am so inspired by a candidate that I am considering applying for citizenship so I can vote. Feel the Bern!
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Nice sentiment, but not in time for the Presidential election.
Do it! Please hurry up. It would be great if you could vote for Bernie!
Sanders' successes are emblematic more of Hlllary's weaknesses than his strengths. Sanders and Hillary are diametric opposites when it comes to credibility and sincerity. He is connecting with so many not because he is the more capable candidate but because he's the more genuine one.
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So you say that Sanders is less capable than Clinton -- that's okay with you? Really? Did you read the entire article, where in his NY interview he not only could not explain how he'd "take down the big Wall Street banks", he thinks the NY transit system still runs on tokens (so much for claiming to be a New Yorker). He's also slipping on the genuine side, as in the last few weeks he's suddenly turned to an attack campaign against Clinton, on the very 2 issues he previously -- in televised national debates -- said were not issues and he wasn't going to answer questions about them.
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Nzierler - your comment insults Senator Sanders. I have known Hillary Clinton for many years. She attended Wellesley College a fellow Seven Sisters alma mater. I am from Arkansas where she and Governor Bill Clinton ruled for 20 years and she served on the Board of Walmart. Hillary is smart in a collected knowledge-related way. She makes a excellent attorney because she is so detail oriented. However, she has almost no science or math background and flounders on "common sense" math. She doesn't understand some of the major scientific concepts of our time (like emails) and macroeconomics. She and Bill are masters at triangulation parsing words to half truth-half false concepts - which they call compromise. For all their cleverness and goals of easing poverty and discrimination (incrementalism) - their actual legacy is dismantling the financial protections that Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and Lyndon Johnson (voting rights) gave poor people and blacks with such cherished Democratic legislation as Glass Steigal (saving banks couldn't play the stock market or gamble on real estate loans); the Voting Rights Act (African Americans and poor Americans in red states couldn't be disenfranchised), integrating the armed forces (Truman - by fiat). Bernie is much smarter than Hillary because he has common sense, ethics, and logic and can answer questions directly. This will count at home in America and in our foreign security. Save America and Earth. Vote Bernie.
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Yet they voted the same 93% of the time. Odd.
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Thank you god! Last week I did something I've never done before in almost 50 years of voting. I contributed to Bernie Sanders campaign! I've never been prouder or more excited about an election. Finally the Democrats have a chance to elect someone who is genuine and trustworthy and who will represent all the people.
Last week I wrote to the NYT but my comment was not published. I heavily criticized Hillary Clinton. She is untrustworthy. She is not a native New Yorker. You can't adopt New York. Hillary never lived in our beloved city. She never experienced the concrete playground or the fire hydrant swimming pool. She's never played hop-scotch or blindman's bluff on a block where dozens of kids all knew each other and mom would yell out the window when it was time to come in. Hillary is not a native New Yorker. She couldn't find Broadway or the Empire State Building with a GPS. Climbing the rocks in Central Park would be foreign to her. She can't remember the Central Park Zoo, or going to the Museum of Natural History, or the Guggenheim or the MET. The Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center is not special to her. I bet she's never attended a Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Adopt New York? You've got to be kidding!
New York is my home. It is my place of birth. It is the most unique, wonderful and most energetic city in the world. Hillary is a Washington insider who wants our votes because she claims she's adopted us. A step mother?
No! I want the man who was born here. Bernie!
Last week I wrote to the NYT but my comment was not published. I heavily criticized Hillary Clinton. She is untrustworthy. She is not a native New Yorker. You can't adopt New York. Hillary never lived in our beloved city. She never experienced the concrete playground or the fire hydrant swimming pool. She's never played hop-scotch or blindman's bluff on a block where dozens of kids all knew each other and mom would yell out the window when it was time to come in. Hillary is not a native New Yorker. She couldn't find Broadway or the Empire State Building with a GPS. Climbing the rocks in Central Park would be foreign to her. She can't remember the Central Park Zoo, or going to the Museum of Natural History, or the Guggenheim or the MET. The Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center is not special to her. I bet she's never attended a Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade. Adopt New York? You've got to be kidding!
New York is my home. It is my place of birth. It is the most unique, wonderful and most energetic city in the world. Hillary is a Washington insider who wants our votes because she claims she's adopted us. A step mother?
No! I want the man who was born here. Bernie!
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Sentimentality about growing up in New York is not a qualification for running the country. Also, Sanders was in Brooklyn through high school, but attended college at University of Chicago, and moved to Vermont in 1968. No wonder he still thinks the NY transit system still uses tokens.
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Go Bernie go! Sanders is a breath of fresh air, much needed. I am a woman over 55, a lifelong democrat, and thrilled to have an option other than Hillary, who to me represents everything which has gone wrong with the party in recent years beginning with her husband's shift to the center. Her resume reminds me of that of a grade grubbing student picking and choosing her experiences by virtue of how they will appear on her college applications. She's smart for sure, with a talent for policy wonk. I'm sorry, but she fails to inspire me. She is exactly the sort of democrat who lost the great Tom Harkin's seat in the Senate, an heir apparent chosen by the party establishment without a real test. Thankfully, Sanders is giving her a test for all to see. In my view she comes up lacking.
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Breath of fresh air . . . . hiding his income tax records, supporting gun manufacturers, etc.
Feels likes stale old Republican air tome.
Feels likes stale old Republican air tome.
Amen!
I grew up in a part of Europe where many of Sanders' plans are already in place. Yes, the society there is more equal and more stable.
However, it is not only the rich who pays for all of this. It's the middle class and the rich.
Tax is added everywhere and to everything. An illustrative example is gas. Tax added to gas price is so high that their gas costs more than $6 USD/gallon. No wonder most use bicycles and public transportation to commute.
Of course, if we invest more and more in infrastructure, the public transportation will improve. But let's not forget that Europe is a much more densely populated area. It is not practical or even possible to provide an excellent infrastructure in the rural areas in the US.
Many Sanders' supporters claim that Bernie is a sincere and honest person. I don't get that. I don't think Sanders is honest with how drastic the middle class life will change after all that tax increase.
However, it is not only the rich who pays for all of this. It's the middle class and the rich.
Tax is added everywhere and to everything. An illustrative example is gas. Tax added to gas price is so high that their gas costs more than $6 USD/gallon. No wonder most use bicycles and public transportation to commute.
Of course, if we invest more and more in infrastructure, the public transportation will improve. But let's not forget that Europe is a much more densely populated area. It is not practical or even possible to provide an excellent infrastructure in the rural areas in the US.
Many Sanders' supporters claim that Bernie is a sincere and honest person. I don't get that. I don't think Sanders is honest with how drastic the middle class life will change after all that tax increase.
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I saw two moments of Hillary on the trail last week that I think damaged her. That nasty, finger in the face episode with the Greenpeace activist spitting venom? Wow. It was a terrible moment for her and it kind of lives on in my mind, the anger that got to her.
And then I heard her using almost the same words from 2008 (of Obama), "Yes, he has all the pretty speeches, yes he's saying hopeful things, but that's Pie In The Sky and you need to vote for incremental me!" How'd THAT work out for you, Hillary?
If I have to I'll hold my nose and vote for her. I could not bear to vote for Cruz the Creep. But I really can't stand her at all. I don't like any of these candidates on both sides. Except for Bernie. He's honest. He's intelligent. He speaks truth to power. I'm proud of him and Jane. Not proud of Hillary and Bill (ugh! - do not want to see him in the White House as First Dude), not proud of Cruz and Goldman Sachs Heidi, not proud of Trump (Melania's pretty cool), despise Kasich (a wolf in sheep's clothing; he is NOT a moderate!).
Yep, Bernie. Only Bernie.
And then I heard her using almost the same words from 2008 (of Obama), "Yes, he has all the pretty speeches, yes he's saying hopeful things, but that's Pie In The Sky and you need to vote for incremental me!" How'd THAT work out for you, Hillary?
If I have to I'll hold my nose and vote for her. I could not bear to vote for Cruz the Creep. But I really can't stand her at all. I don't like any of these candidates on both sides. Except for Bernie. He's honest. He's intelligent. He speaks truth to power. I'm proud of him and Jane. Not proud of Hillary and Bill (ugh! - do not want to see him in the White House as First Dude), not proud of Cruz and Goldman Sachs Heidi, not proud of Trump (Melania's pretty cool), despise Kasich (a wolf in sheep's clothing; he is NOT a moderate!).
Yep, Bernie. Only Bernie.
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The three biggest issues for me center on BIG MONEY: Campaign Finance Reform, Single Payer Universal Health Care and Wall Street Financial Reform so jobs can say in the USA. Go Bernie.
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Sanders would be a one-term President.
Discounting that he would be in his 80's for a second term, the recalcitrance to his proposed policies by Republicans (Koch-heads) would make today's Congress look like Sunny Brook Farm.
Discounting that he would be in his 80's for a second term, the recalcitrance to his proposed policies by Republicans (Koch-heads) would make today's Congress look like Sunny Brook Farm.
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You assume the Congress won't change hands or that if he wins the People will not be making life uncomfortable for the sticks in the mud who do not do their jobs honestly.
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I assume the People will do as much for him as they did for President Obama--very little. The quantity and quality of what Obama has achieved is due to the calm and studied approach he has taken. Sanders cannot even say how he will accomplish his proposals.
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Dear NYTimes,
we, your furious customers, keep telling you that we can clearly see the dishonest stunts you are doing to cheat this election for the loathed-by-all-educated-voters Hillary Clinton (who is the GOP's only hope for them to win in the General Election).
YOUR argument is that the Trump battle is more newsworthy, but that defies all logic and common sense.
TRUMP is not backed by all the billionaires; nor the billionaire-owned media; nor the RCN Establishment.
HILLARY IS.
(In fact, both the DNC and RNC support her as the "automatic winner".)
She is the Most Powerful Candidate To Ever Run In America.
That she (and the entire Establishment) is losing to a little nobody from Vermont is one of the biggest stories of the century, perhaps millenium.
Do explain how you keep insisting that Trump-Cruz is a bigger story? Two losers who have the billionaires and Establishment against them?
Bernie's wins are like Mike Tyson losing a fight to a little old lady in a wheelchair. You argue him accomplishing the impossible is not a major story.
But when Tyson beats a scrawny 13 year old in the ring (pretty easy to do) (ala Trump either winning or losing against losers Cruz / Kasich) that IS top news?
Have you lost your minds?
Not only is HIllary collapsing, but you're taking the NYTimes entirely down with her. The GOP are laughing at you all. You're trying to give them everything they've ever dreamt of.
we, your furious customers, keep telling you that we can clearly see the dishonest stunts you are doing to cheat this election for the loathed-by-all-educated-voters Hillary Clinton (who is the GOP's only hope for them to win in the General Election).
YOUR argument is that the Trump battle is more newsworthy, but that defies all logic and common sense.
TRUMP is not backed by all the billionaires; nor the billionaire-owned media; nor the RCN Establishment.
HILLARY IS.
(In fact, both the DNC and RNC support her as the "automatic winner".)
She is the Most Powerful Candidate To Ever Run In America.
That she (and the entire Establishment) is losing to a little nobody from Vermont is one of the biggest stories of the century, perhaps millenium.
Do explain how you keep insisting that Trump-Cruz is a bigger story? Two losers who have the billionaires and Establishment against them?
Bernie's wins are like Mike Tyson losing a fight to a little old lady in a wheelchair. You argue him accomplishing the impossible is not a major story.
But when Tyson beats a scrawny 13 year old in the ring (pretty easy to do) (ala Trump either winning or losing against losers Cruz / Kasich) that IS top news?
Have you lost your minds?
Not only is HIllary collapsing, but you're taking the NYTimes entirely down with her. The GOP are laughing at you all. You're trying to give them everything they've ever dreamt of.
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Clinton is not losing, she's far ahead. Currently Clinton has 1, 748 and Sanders has 1,058. Perhaps you want to check the delegate count before you decide that the NY Times have lost their minds.
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Clinton has been losing since voters got to know Bernie Sanders... And New York will be more proof...
Maybe the point is that both parties are going to have to go into their conventions with the knowledge that major, major platform concessions need to be made to deal with what is roiling everyone up. The problem is, can we accurately articulate what that is?
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if it were not for the undemocratic super delegates, Clinton would be gone by now. How can the people's voice not be heard by the democrat party? If is time for a major revolution concerning the disgusting "super-delegate" who will try and overrule the people's choice.
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Didn't you study up on the way the Dem party selects a nominee?
It's been this way for years?
You Bernie people pay no attention to rules, facts, precedence, and then whine when it doesn't go your way.
OR better -- you say change the rules, change the rules -- and sound just like Donald Trump.
It's been this way for years?
You Bernie people pay no attention to rules, facts, precedence, and then whine when it doesn't go your way.
OR better -- you say change the rules, change the rules -- and sound just like Donald Trump.
The people's voice is heard - that of the 2.5 million more voters for Hillary Clinton. Democracy is who the people choose - not who Sanders supporters wish for.
@James - Clinton would still be ahead without the super delegates, by 252. And by the way, your guy Sanders has some of those super delegates as well. At least the Democratic primaries for the most part award delegates proportionate to the popular vote.
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What may be more significant than Bernie's decisive win in the Wisconsin primary is the fumbling responses he gave to the editorial board of the New York Daily News about how he would break up the large banks. Bernie is what my father referred to as a luftmensch-- a dreamer.
He hasn't thought through the details of any of the vast changes he promises to make in regard to breaking up the banks, a single-payer government financed and run health care system, free public university education, dealing with terrorism.
So what is he going to do? Hire the same technocrats he rails against to guide him?
He hasn't thought through the details of any of the vast changes he promises to make in regard to breaking up the banks, a single-payer government financed and run health care system, free public university education, dealing with terrorism.
So what is he going to do? Hire the same technocrats he rails against to guide him?
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I trust Bernie Sanders. I do not trust Hillary Clinton.
If we ever want someone who approximates the integrity and fierce populism of Sanders in the White House and more importantly...if we want her to be successful we have to do the spade work now. Most voters are not thinking about the composition of Congress. A Progressive president only succeeds if we have a Congress with Progressive members (a few more Elizabeth Warrens!). I hope the candidates who are running now...and will run in the next decade, will heed the call of enlightened, rationale populism. A correction is needed but we must insist that it be successful not result in more of the same obstructionism that benefits the status quo. Sanders will not likely be the Democratic nominee but Progressives can dream. Only dreams must be accompanied by a strategy to ensure the presidency is actually a success in making our country work for all of its citizens.
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I think it is past time to question how Hillary Clinton can lose a 50%-70% lead in the polls and still be considered the likely candidate of the DNC. Also to be questioned is how a true leader can be so very poor at choosing a staff and picking a losing campaign strategy. Then there is her apparent inability to keep up with Bernie Sanders when it comes to fundraising. Something is cock-eyed when the predicted loser keeps winning and the sure-fire winner has lost seven out of the last eight contests.
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It's very easy, Charlotte.
She has more delegates.
More people have voted for her than Bernie.
That's how she got more delegates. Pledged delegates.
Several hundred more than he has.
So that is how she is considered the front runner.
Because she IS.
Nominees are not chosen because of quality of staff (good for Bernie, since he overrules and disagrees with his campaign leaders all the time), nor on basis of polls.
Nominees are chosen by delegate votes.
She has more.
Get it?
She has more delegates.
More people have voted for her than Bernie.
That's how she got more delegates. Pledged delegates.
Several hundred more than he has.
So that is how she is considered the front runner.
Because she IS.
Nominees are not chosen because of quality of staff (good for Bernie, since he overrules and disagrees with his campaign leaders all the time), nor on basis of polls.
Nominees are chosen by delegate votes.
She has more.
Get it?
@charlotte - You need to count delegates, not supposed "wins". In Wisconsin, yes Sanders got more votes, however he only netted 47 delegates, and Clinton won 36. You think that 11 delegates overall out of the 2,383 needed for nomination is so decisive?
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This is probably why the majority of people do not consider themselves part of the Democratic or Republican party. Like the plurality of voters 40+% I am an Independent. I used to be a Democrat but after serving as Director of Communications at the DNC during the Carter Administration and witnessing first hand the dishonesty and corruption of this "private club," I quit the job and the party. The Democratic party may scream and yell about the Republicans suppression of votes but, this is what Super Delegates are all about. I sincerely hope your loyalty is well rewarded.
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I like Bernie, but Bernie isn't perfect. Perhaps the Hillary supporters should be looking more closely at why she isn't a great candidate -- why she also lost to Obama, for example.
I liked Hillary as a Senator. She was tough, hard-working, no frills. But when she was Secretary of State I got less impressed. The need to act "tough," the big talk with bad results. When she's backed into a corner she gets irritable and aggressive, and the problem is not that women can't be aggressive. The problem is that she ends up projecting insecurity at precisely the moments when she needs to project strength.
Here's my bet:
If Hillary were capable of smiling and being respectful to Bernie voters through all this, she'd still walk off with the nomination.
My guess is that she's not capable of that. She'll get frustrated and insult the very Bernie voters she needs to woo. She's already been doing it. ("Why don't you run for office, then?")
If Bernie wins, it's not just on Bernie. It's on Hillary. At heart, she's too insecure to keep herself from lashing out bitterly when things don't go her way. And that's going to kill her, again.
I liked Hillary as a Senator. She was tough, hard-working, no frills. But when she was Secretary of State I got less impressed. The need to act "tough," the big talk with bad results. When she's backed into a corner she gets irritable and aggressive, and the problem is not that women can't be aggressive. The problem is that she ends up projecting insecurity at precisely the moments when she needs to project strength.
Here's my bet:
If Hillary were capable of smiling and being respectful to Bernie voters through all this, she'd still walk off with the nomination.
My guess is that she's not capable of that. She'll get frustrated and insult the very Bernie voters she needs to woo. She's already been doing it. ("Why don't you run for office, then?")
If Bernie wins, it's not just on Bernie. It's on Hillary. At heart, she's too insecure to keep herself from lashing out bitterly when things don't go her way. And that's going to kill her, again.
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@Rachel - Overall it's not useful to try to "woo Bernie voters", as most are very vocal in declaring that if Sanders is not the nominee, they will not vote at all, for anyone.
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I'm not even gunning for Bernie, but my recent hobby has been to see him win a significant state/states and then see how the Time reports it. It's like the Nixon-Kennedy debate reiterated.
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It's hard for me to imagine that anyone who listened to Mr. Sanders' victory speech tonight, and compared it with any given speech - pick any one you wish - by Mrs. Clinton could question why the enthusiasm gap between supporters of these two candidates is so significant.
Sanders' comments were powerfully effective. (And without a teleprompter!) He believes it, and lives it. Clinton seems to be lip-synching, and in prevent mode, at that.
Sanders' comments were powerfully effective. (And without a teleprompter!) He believes it, and lives it. Clinton seems to be lip-synching, and in prevent mode, at that.
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Some of us are voting based on experience, delivering results and policy positions. (Like gun control, for one)
We are not voting for someone who is enthusiastic and can be exciting in a speech.
We are not electing a prom queen or Miss Congeniality.
We are electing the CEO of the US of A, and Bernie couldn't get hired as an intern based on any of the three criteria I mentioned.
We are not voting for someone who is enthusiastic and can be exciting in a speech.
We are not electing a prom queen or Miss Congeniality.
We are electing the CEO of the US of A, and Bernie couldn't get hired as an intern based on any of the three criteria I mentioned.
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Right but he couldn't answer several of the tough questions asked by the NY Daily News. His foreign policy is "I didn't vote for the Iraq war" even though being an independent from Vermont made that a very easy vote to cast. He's sorely unprepared for the world stage and the foreign policy over which he would have the most influence as President. Almost all of the most progressive members of congress (John Lewis, etc) are supporting Hillary. Bernie has only handful of endorsements from congress; no state Governor has supported him. On 538 the weighted number of endorsements shows Hillary with 489 points compared with 7 for Bernie. These are the people who've worked with and know them best.
Belief, anger and passion alone don't get things done and in fact often cloud vision and reason.
Belief, anger and passion alone don't get things done and in fact often cloud vision and reason.
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Just some random thoughts.
WHY won't Sanders release his tax records?
Mr.TRANSPARENCY and HONESTY -- says well, they "aren't very interesting" and his wife prepares them.
And they'll try to get them out sometime,when they have time.
SERIOUSLY? He can batter Clinton for not releasing transcripts of speeches, but he won't do what all candidates do?
He's worse than Romney.
Any of you Bernie zealouts out there have an answer?
A number of reporters, including Tapper on CNN, have asked him and all he does is dodge.
Now tell me with a straight face that if Hillary were hiding HER tax records, you all wouldn't be going wild.
Hey, I believe in Bernie's vision. I love momentum and the romance of a movement.
That's what we said when we worked for McCarthy.
We had MOMENTUM when McGovern was nominated.
And Mondale.
And Dukakis.
And even Hubert Humphrey.
And they were all Democrats.
So let Bernoe get nominated.
And remember that one word that research shows scares the majority of Americans to death is -- wait for it -- "socialist."
And figure out what the headline and tagline on every anti-Bernie ad will be for four months.
And let independents and Trump-hating GOPers listen to the romance of "free" college.
And just add another name to the Democrat who lost list.
And then sit around for four or eight years watching Trump or Cruise destroy our country, and cherish your movement and your momentum.
Trust me -- the movement T-shirts aren't very warming.
WHY won't Sanders release his tax records?
Mr.TRANSPARENCY and HONESTY -- says well, they "aren't very interesting" and his wife prepares them.
And they'll try to get them out sometime,when they have time.
SERIOUSLY? He can batter Clinton for not releasing transcripts of speeches, but he won't do what all candidates do?
He's worse than Romney.
Any of you Bernie zealouts out there have an answer?
A number of reporters, including Tapper on CNN, have asked him and all he does is dodge.
Now tell me with a straight face that if Hillary were hiding HER tax records, you all wouldn't be going wild.
Hey, I believe in Bernie's vision. I love momentum and the romance of a movement.
That's what we said when we worked for McCarthy.
We had MOMENTUM when McGovern was nominated.
And Mondale.
And Dukakis.
And even Hubert Humphrey.
And they were all Democrats.
So let Bernoe get nominated.
And remember that one word that research shows scares the majority of Americans to death is -- wait for it -- "socialist."
And figure out what the headline and tagline on every anti-Bernie ad will be for four months.
And let independents and Trump-hating GOPers listen to the romance of "free" college.
And just add another name to the Democrat who lost list.
And then sit around for four or eight years watching Trump or Cruise destroy our country, and cherish your movement and your momentum.
Trust me -- the movement T-shirts aren't very warming.
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And you think Hillary Clinton can win a general election? LOL
If people vote he will win. Anyone who heard his speech tonight knows that he is an honest, absolutely sincere person, who, for once, actually should be president.
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@Ignatz - Only if you don't mind forking over an extra large chunk of your income to pay for all that free college nationwide. And he'd do away with the ACA, so the insurance companies could start denying coverage on a whim and setting caps.
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You cannot tell from a speech whether a person is honest and absolutely sincere or simply saying with passion what the audience wants to hear. I have read that both Mussolini and Hitler were considered honest and sincere by many Italians and Germans, respectively, who were not fascists but simply wanted someone to make things better for themselves and their families. I am sure there many Russians in 1917 were neither socialists nor communists but felt that Lenin was honest and sincere when they heard him speak.
The momentum is clear
If the Democratic Party nominates Clinton on the basis of Super-delegate votes instead of an overwhelming majority of popular votes in reasonably accessible Electoral College state votes, they have seen their last dime from me. Her popular vote is terrific in the South, which Electoral College votes are going to go red no matter what. It's not that they are unimportant but only that they are impotent on the big board.
This is certainly about the contest between Sanders and Clinton; but it is also about the credibility of the Democratic Party. I'll vote against any GOP Presidential candidate but I will never again contribute a penny to a DNC supported candidate.
If the Democratic Party nominates Clinton on the basis of Super-delegate votes instead of an overwhelming majority of popular votes in reasonably accessible Electoral College state votes, they have seen their last dime from me. Her popular vote is terrific in the South, which Electoral College votes are going to go red no matter what. It's not that they are unimportant but only that they are impotent on the big board.
This is certainly about the contest between Sanders and Clinton; but it is also about the credibility of the Democratic Party. I'll vote against any GOP Presidential candidate but I will never again contribute a penny to a DNC supported candidate.
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As far as healthcare, for free markets to work price must be disclosed prior to service. I cannot think of a single example of a free market system where price is not disclosed, choices are limited, no one shops, billing is complex, and lacking competitive price disclosure prices far exceed inflation. Let's stop kidding ourselves.
Under Obamacare insurance companies can keep 20% beyond direct care costs which means the higher the cost of healthcare the more profit they make. With cost tied to profit, there is no incentive to control costs. Our healthcare system is much closer to racketeering than a free-market. Socialism would be a refreshing and healthy change in healthcare.