If no candidate wins enough delegates to win the nomination perhaps, in the spirit of love of guns, the Republicans could have a shoot off duel between the candidates? First round Kasich vs. Cruz with the winner meeting THE DONALD. To help fund the convention, which seems to have a fund raising problem, the event could be held at the Cleveland Browns stadium. Of course, all the loyal Republicans would be required to go through a metal detector to get in to see event to make sure they are armed. Now that is a process the NRA could get behind.
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When I heard that the Republicans wanted to allow weapons at their convention I went looking for a petition to sign in support. The thought of that crowd locked in a room, with maybe a contested convention, armed to the teeth just released some happy juice in my brain and made me smile while thinking of Ted and Donald hunkered down behind podiums, exchanging rounds (after a botched duel) while their minions slugged it out with fists, shots, and rapiers on the floor. Think of the drama; and the ratings!
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These Janus faced politicians are all for Gun Freedom--in your backyard--but not in their backyard.
In your schools and restaurants!--but not in their Conventions? Or in Congress!
How can they keep a straight face?
In your schools and restaurants!--but not in their Conventions? Or in Congress!
How can they keep a straight face?
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Thank you for the YouTube link to the Machine Gun Bacon, which ended with Ted Cruz savoring the fat. The image is truly frightening. Will Ted bring to the Convention his machine gun? And the bacon?
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You can get a much better idea of how good Donald Trump Jr. is with guns if you google "Donald Trump Jr. dead animals" and click on "Images." The photos speak for themselves, but I'll say it, too: appalling.
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Trump and Cruz know how stupid it would be to allow armed people at their gatherings. Pure and simple, they are hypocrites: let anyone have guns, just not when I am around. Can people walk around wearing a holster and a Cowboy hat at Mar-a-Lago? That's what I thought.
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Its OK, the GOP says, to have guns in schools, homes, restaurants, national parks, city streets, etc., etc., etc,....I guess it is because they don't frequent these places and are in no danger of some wacko with a weapon. Oh the hypocrisy! OK to put the blind masses in harm's way, but not their precious, power-hungry own souls!
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Your column makes my day! Fabulous. Clever. Wonderful!
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"Brew the coffee and shoot the breakfast"?
Have you ever noticed that tea drinkers are never associated with guns?
Tomorrow morning we will carry out our daily ritual of making and drinking tea. We call it the Elixer of Life. (Guns are the elixir of death.)
Drink Tea! You'll see....
Have you ever noticed that tea drinkers are never associated with guns?
Tomorrow morning we will carry out our daily ritual of making and drinking tea. We call it the Elixer of Life. (Guns are the elixir of death.)
Drink Tea! You'll see....
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What a great columnist, incisive wit. I wish they would ease Peggy Noonan out the door and find another one like Gail. Oops I meant Maureen Dowd. Gail Collins is batting in the same league as Molly Ivins.
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It has long struck me as criminally hypocritical how legislators toady to the NRA by allowing the common folk the "freedom" to face higher and higher risk of gun violence, yet consistently deny themselves this same precious "freedom." The legislators and justices who are so willing to let the rest of us get shot in the name of "freedom" carve out safety zones for themselves! I say if guns really do make us all safer, why shouldn't our legislators and justices enjoy the same "safety" the rest of us do? What's good for the goose...
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Republican convention without guns ? Trump "shooting his mouth off" or Cruz' backstabbing, will have to suffice.
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So Republicans think guns shouldn't be around places where people might get upset about things and lose control.
Can't happen in a bar, can it?
Can't happen in a bar, can it?
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I'm disappointed at the Secret Service's ban on guns at the GOP convention. I was waiting for a country song, "Gunfight at the Quicken Loans Arena". Can you imagine the spectacle of Trump vs. Cruz at 10 paces? Shades of Aaron Burr!
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I think all the speakers at the convention are very relieved that a government agency stepped in and banned guns in the arena. LOL.
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Donald, duck! Guns are coming to your Convention.
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Perhaps the Republican Party should ask the NRA what the GOP's position should be regarding guns at the GOP convention. And, anything less than full open carry shows both groups to be extreme hypocrites, as in....."gun-free zones are ineffective and dangerous, except when we Republican leaders are present."
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Something to consider: one of the last politicians to do a promo with some Duck Dynasty folks lost a very embarrassing race for govenor in LA.
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I am so disappointed that the secret service has prevented the Republican delegates from packin' in the open. Think of the great TV spectacle that we'll miss: no swaggering, over androgenized, delegates with hands on their pistols (or whatever), no duals over whose wife looks the foxiest, no shoot outs over undecided delegates.. The r-e-a-l second amendment advocates, of course will carry AK47s, grenade launchers, or bazookas. Think of the classy in purse rods that the female delegates could carry; there could be a hot shot fashion show. There will be, of course, the awkward scenes: "what's that in your pocket? Are you packin' or just glad to see me?" Eager reporters will have to learn new manners, or else! It's time to make the Marlboro Man Great Again!
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The NRA should hand out guns to everyone as they enter the Republican convention. That way everyone can feel real safe.
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We all know that Republicans are all 'good guys'.
The 'bad guys', Democrats, won't be at the Republican convention.
As long as Mr. Trump gets the nomination there should be no riots.
I say 'bring it on'.
What could go wrong?
The 'bad guys', Democrats, won't be at the Republican convention.
As long as Mr. Trump gets the nomination there should be no riots.
I say 'bring it on'.
What could go wrong?
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My own fantasy is to go to a "gun and knife show" NRA meeting or similar, where many are "packing heat", and leave a few briefcases behind. After I leave, these briefcases will give the audible impression of a gun battle. Unfortunately, the likelihood of causing deaths in addition to simply requiring attendees to have serious concerns about safety is IMHO too large.
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After watching "Machine Gun Bacon"I think Elmer Fudd would be a more reasonable candidate than the two front runners.
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Bernie Sanders said:
"I have voted time and again for background checks, and I want to see it improved and expanded. I want to see us do away with the gun show loophole. In 1988, I lost an election because I said we should not have assault weapons on the streets of America."
Source: 2015 CBS Democratic primary debate in Iowa, Nov 14, 2015
Gail Collins writes here: "Sanders, who appears to have no personal interest in guns whatsoever, has been historically weak when it comes to voting on things like background checks."
Who is telling the truth, Bernie Sanders or Gail Collins?
"I have voted time and again for background checks, and I want to see it improved and expanded. I want to see us do away with the gun show loophole. In 1988, I lost an election because I said we should not have assault weapons on the streets of America."
Source: 2015 CBS Democratic primary debate in Iowa, Nov 14, 2015
Gail Collins writes here: "Sanders, who appears to have no personal interest in guns whatsoever, has been historically weak when it comes to voting on things like background checks."
Who is telling the truth, Bernie Sanders or Gail Collins?
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Why don't Republican candidates allow "good guys with guns" at their rallies? That would be consistent with their positions on the gun issue. Why don't the candidates carry guns and be the "good guys with guns" just in case that there are evil-doers at their rallies? They can be the heroes who save the day!
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Hey Gail. Thanks for making me laugh once again. Opps...I forgot, the absurdity of the gun culture as espoused by the NRA and the politicians that seek its endorsement is not funny. The NRA is a group of disproportionate and unconscionable power.
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How can the secret service deny these good people their second amendment rights. Another step by Obama to take away their guns.
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News alert, July 20, 2016: The highest ranking remaining office holder, at the convention, the county clerk from a rural county in Idaho, was nominated as the Republican standard bearer from among the remaining delegates who survived the shootout. The vote was 3-2.
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Wonder how many democrats have signed that petition. I thought about it but decided not to. Insecure people carrying guns with an open bar. What more could you ask for?
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If guns don't kill people, why are the Republicans opposed to guns at their convention? The NRA has given them sufficient money to uphold the premise that guns can be owned by anyone, no matter how criminal or mentally disturbed, and can go anywhere - schools and movie theatres. Suddenly Americans right to carry guns at the Republican Convention is limited by what the Secret Service tells the Republicans they can do. REALLY?
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Only when those who 'stand guard' over the 2nd Amendment will they realize their idiotic reasoning for that guardianship and toss the NRA and their lobbying dollars out of the 'chairs' of our U.S. Congress.
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Gail, a great article with the right tone, I think. And your readers are dead on as well. Best line: "Tomorrow morning, brew the coffee and shoot the breakfast." A serious subject, as one reader responded, but one that does not get solved sensibly because the fringe dominates. At this time, the fringe on the right. It's guns everywhere all the time.
As we see laws forbidding guns in bars get struck down, you wonder where people's brains are. If alcohol and driving does not mix, why would alcohol and guns be better? It's just plain dumb. Darwin may yet have the last laugh if we don't grow up.
As we see laws forbidding guns in bars get struck down, you wonder where people's brains are. If alcohol and driving does not mix, why would alcohol and guns be better? It's just plain dumb. Darwin may yet have the last laugh if we don't grow up.
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I think Sharon Angle was right. The more I see and hear from Ted Cruz and Donald Trump the more convinced I am that we are headed toward some serious trouble in this nation. Owning some serious firepower for home defense is beginning to look more and more attractive as the election approaches. I see chaos on the horizon. As canadian singer-songwriter Fred Eaglesmith sings in his "Time To Buy A Gun?" : "Someone's gotta walk into that night night, and that someone's gonna' be me."
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I'm in favor of arming the GOP circular firing squad.
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Out here in the Texas Hill Country, I own a gun [raccoons are no longer cute], despite my many years with the Quakers. I see car window decals labeled "my family" with two long guns on their butts followed by three smaller, hand guns. But, Gail, without you I would not have believed and thus seen with my own lying' eyes the Cruz machine-gun bacon video.
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Finally! An opportunity to call them what they are: Republicants, with all that implies, apostrophe or no.
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Perfect opportunity for the GOP to put up or shut up. Tell the Secret Service and local/state law enforcement they don't need to show up to the RNC, all the good guys with guns will protect themselves while saving taxpayer dollars. Seems like a win-win to me.
Unless, of course, you're concerned that your base is some sort of powder keg of xenophobia, paranoia, and religious fundamentalism. Then I'd keep mum on the subject.
Unless, of course, you're concerned that your base is some sort of powder keg of xenophobia, paranoia, and religious fundamentalism. Then I'd keep mum on the subject.
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I am soooooo disappointed that the Secret Service has said that guns will not be allowed at the Convention. After Trump's statement, "There will be riots if I'm denied the nomination," I was really looking forward to watching the carnage.
Live, from Cleveland, at what will forever be known as the Quicken Draw Arena, it's the 2016 GOP Convention!"
Best Reality TV show ever!
Live, from Cleveland, at what will forever be known as the Quicken Draw Arena, it's the 2016 GOP Convention!"
Best Reality TV show ever!
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The operative word in your column today, Gail is "pretend." It raises the image in my mind of my brothers in the 1950s with their little felt cowboy hats and coonskin hats, and their cap guns, shooting it out in the back yard. I feel pretty sure this is the ground the NRA and friends stand on.
I firmly believe in everyone's right to bear theories. I just don't want all of them tested in public.
I firmly believe in everyone's right to bear theories. I just don't want all of them tested in public.
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You have to hand it to Trump, he's good for television ratings. If the RNC "sticks to their guns" and insists on honoring the 2nd Amendment rights of attendees, I predict RNC viewership would shoot through the roof.
Even those who don't follow a particular television show will tune in for the last episode, as the mayhem and unpredictability factors are increased. For example, the last episode of "Breaking Bad" broke records at 10.3 million viewers.
Even those who don't follow a particular television show will tune in for the last episode, as the mayhem and unpredictability factors are increased. For example, the last episode of "Breaking Bad" broke records at 10.3 million viewers.
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Why are guns allowed in schools, bars, and every other public gathering space but not the Republican National Convention, the US Capitol, or various state legislatures???? These politicians should put their money where their mouth is and demonstrate how much safer we all are when guns are openly carried by all visitors to the US Congress.
It's a ludicrous argument and it's time for Trump, Cruz, etc to stop demanding an end to gun restrictions except when in their vicinity. Why is there no outcry over this hypocrisy?!
It's a ludicrous argument and it's time for Trump, Cruz, etc to stop demanding an end to gun restrictions except when in their vicinity. Why is there no outcry over this hypocrisy?!
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The Secret Service should'nt have turned thumbs down. After all, the 2nd Amendment is so dear to the Republicans. And what can be better event to display their love for the 2nd. Because guns are wielded only by the disciplined, sane, right. And who better than the Republicans and Republican Candidates who are the epitome of discipline, sanity, self control !! With every Republican carrying a gun to the Convention with no incident, they would have repudiated the fact that guns don't kill people, but people do.
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Maybe the Republican Rules Committee can require a shooting range for the candidates to battle it out for uncommitted delegates if the convention fails to nominate a candidate on the first round!
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Sissie NRA is being quiet? Where are the 2nd amendment (i know that they can't actually read or they would be in well regulated militias) There are no "good guy"gun tooters to protect the republican pretenders? What a bunch of phoney's
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I think they should let gun carriers into the Republican convention. Maybe there will be an exciting shoot-out between a Trump supporter and a Cruz supporter. Yahoo! Great TV. A fun family time for everyone.
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So...do away with secret service, armed security, and metal detectors at the Democrat National Convention, and replace them with 'no guns' signs?
If there is no difference between 'gun free zones' and secured events, then this should be no problem at all for Democrats.
If there is no difference between 'gun free zones' and secured events, then this should be no problem at all for Democrats.
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I seem to remember a guy with a firearm strapped openly to his thigh at an Obama rally a number of years ago. The so-called "Right" didn't seem to have a problem with *that*. Nor with the numerous open-carry demonstrations outside Obama rallies since- the one at the recent SXSW being a good example. Double standards abound in this disingenous crowd.
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Living in the rural Midwest, I know quite a few gun owners. I can't think of one who, when the subject comes up, doesn't fervently believe that if he or she had been in that movie theater in Aurora, CO, the outcome would have been different.
I don't want to take everyone's guns away, but when, as happened to a friend of mine, you walk into a convenience store to see a customer with a big old weapon slung around his shoulder, or discover, as I have, how many people are in the church pews on Sunday packing heat, I'd say we have a problem.
Let those politicians who are so happy to allow gun ownership flourish and grow have to face a room full of angry, armed people at their convention. Why not?
I don't want to take everyone's guns away, but when, as happened to a friend of mine, you walk into a convenience store to see a customer with a big old weapon slung around his shoulder, or discover, as I have, how many people are in the church pews on Sunday packing heat, I'd say we have a problem.
Let those politicians who are so happy to allow gun ownership flourish and grow have to face a room full of angry, armed people at their convention. Why not?
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Since the GOP thinks all gun owners were responsible and sane, I'm still wondering why GOP presidential candidates have Secret Service details at all.
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“After the terrorist mass murders in France, Donald Trump argued that if only Parisian concertgoers had been packing heat, the outcome would have been much different.”
Of all the gunophobic machinations regularly trotted out by the New York Times the one calming that it is best if the only one with a gun in a mass shooting situation is the murderer takes the blue ribbon.
Of all the gunophobic machinations regularly trotted out by the New York Times the one calming that it is best if the only one with a gun in a mass shooting situation is the murderer takes the blue ribbon.
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Before they allow guns at their convention, Reince Preibus better get the candidates to re-up on a Republican-candidate loyalty pledge: "I promise not to shoot whoever is the nominee."
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There could be no better expose of the gun absolutists for the cowards they really are. The secret service has done the country a serious disservice.
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The Republicans will have to settle for less than 100% acquesance on "The theory is once everyone is armed 24/7...there will always be good guys on hand to shoot the evildoer" because I will leave the country before I take up arms against my fellow Americans. How paranoid does one have to be to weaponize every interaction one has with your own species.
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I seem to remember a "good guy" retired policeman in Florida who brought his hand gun to the movies. That did not go well for him or the "good guy" veteran he killed over popcorn and texting.
Americans need to collectively take a giant step back from our obsession with always packing heat. Even seasoned police officers will react badly in a volatile situation.
Americans need to collectively take a giant step back from our obsession with always packing heat. Even seasoned police officers will react badly in a volatile situation.
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The Secret Service, faced with the potential of having an armed Dick Cheney at the convention mistaking Mitch McConnell for a turkey, was being prudent.
Wise decision.
Wise decision.
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I'm a Marine combat veteran of Vietnam and find the posturing of all the candidates, including Hillary channeling Anne Oakley, preposterous.
Anyone who has been in a Fire Fight will tell you killing people at close rang with an automatic rifle is horrible, but these fools go on about it like war is fun.
I've always said I wouldn't wish close combat on my worst enemy, but I wish that Hillary, Trump and Cruz could at least see what is left after a Battle or a fire fight - it might bring a little reality into their world.
Anyone who has been in a Fire Fight will tell you killing people at close rang with an automatic rifle is horrible, but these fools go on about it like war is fun.
I've always said I wouldn't wish close combat on my worst enemy, but I wish that Hillary, Trump and Cruz could at least see what is left after a Battle or a fire fight - it might bring a little reality into their world.
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Nobody took Trump literally when he bragged that he “could stand in the middle of Fifth Avenue and shoot somebody and I wouldn’t lose voters." Now we know it's too true. He can say or do anything that comes into his hee-yuge imagination, and his bedumbed, I mean loyal followers just guffaw and applaud how he tells it like it is. Which now we know is also true. He does say precisely what arch right republicans believe. He really does. So, we shouldn't be surprised that the Cleveland Coronation of Trump will be a big, flashy, gaudy Mr. Universe crowning. But even Trump will not be able to shoot anybody at the Convention. Shucks.
The republican convention has to be a gun-free zone because, you know, they must not be shot up by some crazy. Getting blasted away in a crowd by automatic weapons is okay for ordinary people, kids in kindergartens, people in movie theatres and shopping centers. But not for the leaders of the republican party in a big clot in Cleveland, easy pickins for somebody with an uncontrollable, intense desire for his 15 minutes of fame.
The Cleveland three-ringer will not be just gun free. It will also be courtesy-free, a big hole where decency should be, completely fun free, though maybe a scintilla of humor might slip out unintentionally. And it will be idea free and empathy free. I can't wait.
The republican convention has to be a gun-free zone because, you know, they must not be shot up by some crazy. Getting blasted away in a crowd by automatic weapons is okay for ordinary people, kids in kindergartens, people in movie theatres and shopping centers. But not for the leaders of the republican party in a big clot in Cleveland, easy pickins for somebody with an uncontrollable, intense desire for his 15 minutes of fame.
The Cleveland three-ringer will not be just gun free. It will also be courtesy-free, a big hole where decency should be, completely fun free, though maybe a scintilla of humor might slip out unintentionally. And it will be idea free and empathy free. I can't wait.
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Lets compromise and let Corey Lewandowski be the only republican to
have a gun at the convention. It could be a .50 caliber machine gun
on a swivel mount, placed in a bunker in the rafters. Surely this is
reasonable and I don't see how anything could possibly go wrong.
have a gun at the convention. It could be a .50 caliber machine gun
on a swivel mount, placed in a bunker in the rafters. Surely this is
reasonable and I don't see how anything could possibly go wrong.
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Here in Georgia our esteemed legislature passed a "guns everywhere" bill that allows heat-packers to carry their security blankets with them in bars, college campuses, schools and churches. With one exception: the State Capitol. How dare they deny my God-given 2nd Amendment right to haul a duffel bag of assault rifles into the gallery of the state Senate!!!
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I hate the NRA and it's ridiculously expansive interpretation of the 2nd Amendment. That said, I would love to see an armed GOP convention. It could be messy, but it just might bring the gun debate back towards some sane middle ground.
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More GOP hypocrisy. Guns for everyone, everywhere. Except not near anywhere where I might be at risk. Sound familiar? We also have
Gays are evil, but not my gay child/relative/friend/big campaign contributor.
Marriage is sacrosanct, but it's OK for me to have been divorced.
Single parents? Awful, except for Bristol Palin.
Balance the budget, but not when we're in power.
Government, hands off my Medicare/Medicaid!
I could go on and on...
Gays are evil, but not my gay child/relative/friend/big campaign contributor.
Marriage is sacrosanct, but it's OK for me to have been divorced.
Single parents? Awful, except for Bristol Palin.
Balance the budget, but not when we're in power.
Government, hands off my Medicare/Medicaid!
I could go on and on...
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I was disappointed to hear about the gun ban at the Republican Convention. It would have been a good opportunity for the 2nd Amendment zealots to prove that thousands of good citizens, armed to the teeth, can act responsibly and provide a safe place to gather. Too bad-I was hoping to see guys like Ryan and McConnell twirling six guns and shooting cigarettes out of Boehner's mouth or maybe Clint Eastwood shooting up an empty chair
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How things may unfold when armed good guys are present to confront and deal with armed bad guys is shown by the incident in NY City, outside the Empire State Building in August 2012, when two police officers, presumably well trained in the use of firearms, shot and killed a gunman and also hit nine innocent bystanders.
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It seems to me that the GOP should demonstrate it's full support for the 2nd amendment rights as they see them by supplying arms for all attendees at their convention. Perhaps they can finish what the Donald has started.
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My wife and I started watching a TV series on HULU titled " A Touch of Frost".
Frost is a Columbo type detective skilled at searching out the guilty. What amazes me and probably every American viewer is to see the British Police running after dangerous suspects without a weapon. It's just inconceivable to our way of life that one human can chase and capture another human without a firearm. In one episode they need weapons and all the officers must go through a check out system to get the fire arm. Could we ever get to that non-weapon civil society again? Hard to imagine but it looks so good.
Frost is a Columbo type detective skilled at searching out the guilty. What amazes me and probably every American viewer is to see the British Police running after dangerous suspects without a weapon. It's just inconceivable to our way of life that one human can chase and capture another human without a firearm. In one episode they need weapons and all the officers must go through a check out system to get the fire arm. Could we ever get to that non-weapon civil society again? Hard to imagine but it looks so good.
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I am trying to figure out whether we have been cursed as a nation with a particularly bad crop of politicians or, more likely, the portion of the electorate that politicians must appeal to in order to get elected has grown bigger and stupider than anyone contemplated.
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Would be great to see a Republican convention with the candidates and their supporters in full "open carry" mode. I can see why the Secret Service would say "no way" as many supporters of the right to bear arms don't know much about guns. But this would be the perfect time to demonstrate how it works when many peace-loving people, all packing, gather together to pick the Republican presidential candidate.
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I think the Republican convention attendees should be allowed to carry guns at the convention.
I mean, didn't Trump promise there would be "riots" there if he was denied the nomination?
I mean, didn't Trump promise there would be "riots" there if he was denied the nomination?
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I think the Republican National Convention would be an excellent test case for Mr. Trump's, and the NRA's, theories about the deterrent effects of a convention hall full of fully armed people. Go nuts.
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A curious thing that struck me after the recent terrorist attacks in Brussels. The police apprehended two of the fleeing suspects by shooting them in the leg. In similar circumstances North American cops seem to always shoot to kill. Maybe we should send our cops to Belgium for marksmanship training.
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It is no secret that some years ago, the National Rifle Association under the guidance of Wayne LaPierre became bored with its traditional role of over a century of teaching marksmanship and gun safety to everyday folks. LaPierre expanded the NRA focus into the lucrative field of promoting the sales of guns and ammunition on behalf of – and bankrolled by -- manufacturers and vendors.
The NRA has been really successful pushing the sales of guns – all kinds of guns – to amazing levels, a fact of which LaPierre is probably very proud and the manufacturers probably very grateful.
Has anyone done a serious study of how close we are to the saturation level? It seems that in the United States everyone who wants a gun has one or ten.
Are gun makers using planned obsolescence to keep sales climbing by selling cheaply constructed guns likely to break quickly? Are sellers counting on international sales to keep the numbers growing? In spite of its potential, China seems like a very tough market to crack.
On the other hand, in the Middle East, if we could persuade the NRA to promote sales of cheaply made, defective guns to ISIS, it could be a win-win situation for Americans.
The NRA has been really successful pushing the sales of guns – all kinds of guns – to amazing levels, a fact of which LaPierre is probably very proud and the manufacturers probably very grateful.
Has anyone done a serious study of how close we are to the saturation level? It seems that in the United States everyone who wants a gun has one or ten.
Are gun makers using planned obsolescence to keep sales climbing by selling cheaply constructed guns likely to break quickly? Are sellers counting on international sales to keep the numbers growing? In spite of its potential, China seems like a very tough market to crack.
On the other hand, in the Middle East, if we could persuade the NRA to promote sales of cheaply made, defective guns to ISIS, it could be a win-win situation for Americans.
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The 2nd amendment is a joke. The NRA will tell you that the safest place is a place with citizens that are armed. If that is the case, then:
Why do gun shows don't allow pro-gun folks to carry armed?
Why do gun shops don't allow pro-gun folks to carry armed?
Why do NRA shows don't allow pro-gun folks to carry armed?
Why do police stations don't allow pro-gun folks to carry armed on their premises?
As a law abiding citizen who went through an extensive background check to obtain a concealed carry permit from the Louisiana State Police, I am still not allowed to carry in way too many places. The least I should worry about are NRA and pro-gun places. But in reality, that is not the case. The case is that the NRA folks are hypocrites.
Given the physical and sometimes violent outcomes at Trump campaign rallies, the last place I would want to be is at the Republican Convention with Trump there. It is even more scarier now that Trump has threatened with riots if he doesn't get the nomination.
Now imagine Trump actually not getting the nomination at a convention where the majority of the angry folks that he attracts to his campaign are all armed.
Once the first person starts shooting, the outcome will be very bloody and the 2nd amendment will be full of holes.
Why do gun shows don't allow pro-gun folks to carry armed?
Why do gun shops don't allow pro-gun folks to carry armed?
Why do NRA shows don't allow pro-gun folks to carry armed?
Why do police stations don't allow pro-gun folks to carry armed on their premises?
As a law abiding citizen who went through an extensive background check to obtain a concealed carry permit from the Louisiana State Police, I am still not allowed to carry in way too many places. The least I should worry about are NRA and pro-gun places. But in reality, that is not the case. The case is that the NRA folks are hypocrites.
Given the physical and sometimes violent outcomes at Trump campaign rallies, the last place I would want to be is at the Republican Convention with Trump there. It is even more scarier now that Trump has threatened with riots if he doesn't get the nomination.
Now imagine Trump actually not getting the nomination at a convention where the majority of the angry folks that he attracts to his campaign are all armed.
Once the first person starts shooting, the outcome will be very bloody and the 2nd amendment will be full of holes.
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Having been one of those 50,000 who signed the 'petition' that our darling, gun loving Republicans should be able to carry heat at the convention, I am still for it.
In case of a brokered convention and the following shoot out, the last man standing will automatically be their candidate.
In case of a brokered convention and the following shoot out, the last man standing will automatically be their candidate.
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I signed that petition and even suggested we give each of the Republican conventioneers AR15s in their goodie bags. If, like Scalia, you deliberately misread the 2nd Amendment then the phrase "The right to bear arms shall not be infringed." Would mean that anyone should be able to possess any weapon anywhere. Of course that would be crazy which is why arming the Republicans at their convention makes perfect sense.
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The argument that guns shouldn't be present because of the secret service is bogus. It's the same as arguing that guns shouldn't be present because we have a police force.
Guns at the convention are not enough, however. We need guns in congress too. Great way to end a filibuster!
Guns at the convention are not enough, however. We need guns in congress too. Great way to end a filibuster!
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My husband and I are getting ready for a long trip to Mexico, and everyone asks if we're not afraid of being shot by members of a drug cartel. Our standard answer is that we're less afraid of being in Mexico than going to a crowded shopping mall, theater, or being on a college campus here in the US.
Certain candidates seem to be employing the "not in my backyard" rationale to open carry at their conventions this summer while allowing others to fear for their lives when going about normal everyday activities due to our insane gun laws in this country.
Certain candidates seem to be employing the "not in my backyard" rationale to open carry at their conventions this summer while allowing others to fear for their lives when going about normal everyday activities due to our insane gun laws in this country.
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gail collins keeps using the almost quaint term "pistols." the NRA seems to speak for a large majority of American politicians, not to mention the general public. and the NRA insists on our right, almost our duty, to purchase and use much bigger weaponry than pistols. get your facts straight, gail.
and look the beast in the eye: we're heading in this country for the most violent, fear-laden daily life imaginable. while the coastal cities start to flood we'll all be barricaded in our "castles," tearing ourselves away from the cartoon reality on our TVs and computers only long enough to shoot through the front door at the least little sound from outside. neat, huh?
and look the beast in the eye: we're heading in this country for the most violent, fear-laden daily life imaginable. while the coastal cities start to flood we'll all be barricaded in our "castles," tearing ourselves away from the cartoon reality on our TVs and computers only long enough to shoot through the front door at the least little sound from outside. neat, huh?
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Clearly the Secret Service lacks any sporting instincts and a sense of humor.
A well-armed Republican convention might make for fascinating TV.
A well-armed Republican convention might make for fascinating TV.
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It may not sound politically incorrect...but republicans are hypocrites when scurrying in N.R.A.'s favor, by allowing, no, by pushing their base to hug religion and guns, carry them on their sleeves (so to speak) whenever and wherever they go...except when government officials are present, particularly in the hollow seats of government. If guns are good enough in bars, and I suppose ready for use (they wouldn't be silly to display them just for self-importance, would they?), why not try bending a judge's sober decision by suggesting that weapons are at the ready? It sounds crazy, right? And stupid as well. Now, go tell your congressmen of their folly. Trouble is, in their world, no matter how outrageous their decisions, there are no consequences, impunity instead. The political process is in the toilet, as the officials elected lack basic knowledge and even a grain of decency.
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I don not think there would have been any trouble at all from legal concealed carry permittees. The Secret Service should have stayed out of it, they are just another federal police force that wants to repeal the 1st, 2nd, and 4th Amendments. Do it just like the Texas Capital, a separate security checkpoint for those legally carrying a gun. Note: All Texas' lobbyists and Austin lawyers carry guns to breeze through the much shorter (usually non-exiting) line.
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Jefferson's phrase "Life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," in the Declaration of Independence, gives three examples of our inalienable rights. Though they are not guaranteed in the Constitution per se, might they be tested in the courts in a suit brought by families of victims of gun violence, who have cruelly been denied these rights?
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Guns at the Republican convention? What a great idea!
But what a marketing opportunity for the gun manufacturers of America! They could pass out complimentary pistols to delegates who forgot theirs or lost their luggage at the airport. It's a safety issue really.
But what a marketing opportunity for the gun manufacturers of America! They could pass out complimentary pistols to delegates who forgot theirs or lost their luggage at the airport. It's a safety issue really.
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Do I have the freedom not to bear arms? The Republicans have turned this amendment on its head by legislating that everyone be made to bear arms---except in governmental offices where they work.
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Are the Republican conventioneers going to be angry enough and crazy enough to bring guns anyway? To riot when their guns get confiscated by the secret service? To riot at the possibility that their guns might be taken away by the secret service? To riot at the tweet of a chickenhawk who raises the possibility that guns might be taken by the secret service? How little will it take?
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I move from my house in the small town I live in during the colder months to a lake in the warmer months - just about six or seven miles away. And I do not watch TV at all during the summer because we do not have a TV at the lake. Because where we live at the lake is in the woods, I have vegetable/flower raised beds at the house in town. And I usually work in them in the early morning before the heat of the day makes it uncomfortable. I will do it differently this year. I will come into town and work in the early evening and then watch the Republican Convention on TV!
Before good people with guns can stop a bad shooter with a gun, the bad shooter must reveal himself or herself by shooting first and trying to kill or seriously injure innocent people.
Thus, those who argue in support of open access to guns and the right to carry a gun anywhere by arguing that there will be more good people to shoot back are implicitly accepting the reality that innocent people will die and suffer first as the consequence of guns.
Many of those who support some restrictions on gun owners' rights may be less willing to accept this harsh reality. (Not to mention unwilling to accept the possibility that more innocent people might be killed or injured by the good people as they try to stop the bad shooter.)
As Ms. Collins so wonderfully makes clear, certain politicians may think some restrictions on gun owners' rights might be wise when the politicians could be among those who will die and suffer before the good people with guns can try to stop the bad shooter.
Thus, those who argue in support of open access to guns and the right to carry a gun anywhere by arguing that there will be more good people to shoot back are implicitly accepting the reality that innocent people will die and suffer first as the consequence of guns.
Many of those who support some restrictions on gun owners' rights may be less willing to accept this harsh reality. (Not to mention unwilling to accept the possibility that more innocent people might be killed or injured by the good people as they try to stop the bad shooter.)
As Ms. Collins so wonderfully makes clear, certain politicians may think some restrictions on gun owners' rights might be wise when the politicians could be among those who will die and suffer before the good people with guns can try to stop the bad shooter.
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Attendees the the Republican convention this summer should all carry guns, including assault type weapons then those gun lovin' Republicans would feel the same fear we all feel when we send our kindergarteners off to school in Newtown CT, our 10 year olds off to the corner store in New York City, our 12 year olds to play in the park in Cleveland, Our children off to college in Texas where students are allowed to carry guns on campus and in classrooms, our teenagers to the movies in Colorado and our family and grandchildren to the mall in Arizona to meet their representative in Congress. Perhaps then we would begin the process of reasonable gun control.
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It's too bad that it was the Secret Service that put the nix on this. If the Republicans themselves did it, that would be a wonderful example of duplicity. As it is, more than 50,000 Republicans apparently believe toting guns to their convention would add to the sobriety of their selection of a candidate.
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Back in the 1850s, there was so much gunfire going off on the campus of The University of Alabama (Tuscaloosa), that the president converted the school into a military academy -- his logic being that no one would be hurt if all guns were pointed in the same direction... Perhaps the Republicans could do likewise, holding their convention on a vast outdoor field, dressing the delegates in military garb, and marching them around in the sunshine.... But since they have, alas, no president, the idea may prove impracticable.
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"The Secret Service instantly turned thumbs down."
The secret service should refuse to protect any NRA member politician. Those politicians that support guns in schools, bars and everywhere else should be required to hire their own security and the cost should not be a campaign funds deduction expense. Let the NRA pay it.
The secret service should refuse to protect any NRA member politician. Those politicians that support guns in schools, bars and everywhere else should be required to hire their own security and the cost should not be a campaign funds deduction expense. Let the NRA pay it.
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If the 17 on the stage at the first Republican debates had had guns this campaign would have been much shorter sparing us the agony. After all none of them had any intent of saying anything positive. So the shoot out solution would have provided entertainment for the gun wonks. but as Ted Cruz seems to be the best with his gun he might have been the last man standing. And that is a truly horrifying outcome.
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I see no inconsistency in the republican position on wanting guns at their conventions. In many states people are allowed to carry in bars and restaurants, even on Saturday nights.
Unlike Dodge City.
Unlike Dodge City.
I would suggest that the do nothing Republican House and Senate get off their butts and immediately enact legislation that overrides the Secret Service and mandates than open carry is permissible at the Republican Convention. They will then be able to prove to all of us liberals that open carry is not a problem in emotionally charged events such as the probable brokered GOP convention. Republicans - show us the depth of your convictions on this issue.
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The GOP claims to be all about efficient governing, and in this instance the Republicans may be well served by open-carry rules at their convention. It could bring catharsis to what has been an agonizingly long, drawn-out circular firing squad among the candidates.
Speaking of the candidates, I wonder ~ is Ted Nugent capable of providing a rendition of Judy Collins' "Send In the Clowns" for a Convention theme song?
Speaking of the candidates, I wonder ~ is Ted Nugent capable of providing a rendition of Judy Collins' "Send In the Clowns" for a Convention theme song?
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Maybe we can take a lesson from this. Republicans are all about being regular folks, anti-establishment outsiders crusading for Real Americans, but immediately defer to the Secret Service when it comes to firearms in their proximity. I propose a bill requiring the Secret Service to detail security measures to be put in place at bars, kindergartens, airports, and college campuses (not to mention movie theaters), the places where Real Americans really are. But of course this bill would go nowhere. Real Americans are little more than cannon fodder.
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In Pennsylvania, Senator Toomey, an NRA man right down the line, is running an ad showing his being endorsed by police organizations. When such organizations believe it's all right to support somebody who would willingly give access to guns to the people its members are likely to be shot by, it's hard to have much sympathy for them when it happens. It's like having sympathy for someone who wants arsonists to have easier access to gasoline and matches who seeks it when it's their house that burns down.
And when didn't the candidates have a right to over rule a Secret Service decision? Even the president can do that. If Trump, Cruz, and Kasich were the real men they purport to be, let them put their money where their mouths are.
And when didn't the candidates have a right to over rule a Secret Service decision? Even the president can do that. If Trump, Cruz, and Kasich were the real men they purport to be, let them put their money where their mouths are.
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how about that exercise by a group of Texans trying to prove having armed citizens would have stopped the Charlie Hebdo attacks using paintball guns as proxies? Not a single person in that exercise was able to "stop" the shooters. One participant managed to escape I believe, the rest all died as well. And that was in a controlled environment where the role players were expecting all of the mayhem to occur. Armed citizenry is a bonkers idea. Reasonable gun control is the only way to stop this nonsense!
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I always think of the murder that was committed a year or two ago near the Empire State Building. A man, possibly a professional hit man, brazenly shot a man on the street. NYC cops, trained professionals, gave chase, and, when they had nearly caught up, started shooting. They hit nine people, all passers-by; the murderer escaped.
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It's important to remember that Second-Amendment conviction doesn't really have anything to do with the Second Amendment. Consider: if the Second Amendment were to be repealed, as the Eighteenth (Prohibition) was, would the gun zealots say, "Oh well, I guess I'll have to give up my right own and carry a gun; it's no longer in the Constitution." Of course they would not. They would then argue that the right to own and carry a gun is an unalienable human right that precedes the Constitution, akin to life, liberty, and the pursuit of game and terrorists. We all appeal to the Constitution when it suits our purposes, and sweep it under the rug when it does not.
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Trump is like the Drunk Uncle in the SNL skits who shows up at family gatherings spewing Ill-formed and half-wit opinions that sound plausible on occasion but obviously haven't been thought through. Ultimately, the alcohol gets the better of him and he trails off into incoherence, rage and stupor. Unfortunately, our national Drunk Uncle appears to be the choice for president by a major political party or at least a sizable portion of the electorate. Let's go from loaded guns to nuclear weapons and see what he does! Great entertainment. Kaboom!
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Something about the idea of a pistol packin' GOP convention just seems so right, doesn't it?
The possibility of some old tyme "duels" breaking out right on the convention floor to settle ideological scores between the base and the establishment.
Now that's entertainment, folks.
The grand finale could be a rematch between Dick Cheney and the lawyer that he accidentally plugged full of buckshot while they were both chasing dangerous big game (well, I hear they were really big, ornery pheasants) on that Texas ranch.
Don't laugh. American Politics hasn't had a good "duel" since the days of Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton, back when men were men.
I think the GOP is ready, willing and able to take us back to those glorious days once again.
It's just a shame that their second amendment rights are being so obviously violated at their own convention.
Our loss.
The possibility of some old tyme "duels" breaking out right on the convention floor to settle ideological scores between the base and the establishment.
Now that's entertainment, folks.
The grand finale could be a rematch between Dick Cheney and the lawyer that he accidentally plugged full of buckshot while they were both chasing dangerous big game (well, I hear they were really big, ornery pheasants) on that Texas ranch.
Don't laugh. American Politics hasn't had a good "duel" since the days of Aaron Burr and Alexander Hamilton, back when men were men.
I think the GOP is ready, willing and able to take us back to those glorious days once again.
It's just a shame that their second amendment rights are being so obviously violated at their own convention.
Our loss.
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Recent Trump rallies featured angry supporters tearing signs, hitting, kicking, molesting, pepper-spraying protesters and other attendees. Trump, viewing this mayhem, shouted encouragement for his thugs, pointing to one dissenter "I'd like to punch him in the face!"
But sure, with hundreds (or thousands) of people packing heat, we can all rest easy that the convention will be conducted in a civil manner, and quiet, respectful courtesy will be the order of the day. After all, best way to stop a voter from protesting Trump is to threaten him with a gun.
But sure, with hundreds (or thousands) of people packing heat, we can all rest easy that the convention will be conducted in a civil manner, and quiet, respectful courtesy will be the order of the day. After all, best way to stop a voter from protesting Trump is to threaten him with a gun.
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I can't believe the Republican Convention is going to cave in to the Nanny State and let the Federal Government (in the form of the Secret Service) tell them they can't protect themselves by bringing their guns into the Convention. Since the candidates say they would be safer if everyone in the hall could carry guns they should just DEMAND the Secret Service let the guns in.
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Please do a follow up column on the NRA's foray into children's literature. On their website they are publishing children's fairy tales that have been altered to include gun carrying kids. Think Hansel and Gretel don't end up in the oven because they have weapons! This is not a joke but a perverted and sick attempt by the NRA to sway young children. What's next. Gun shaped rattles? And to think there are people who are upset about cartoon characters on sugary cereal boxes.
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The things is that, until the 1980s or so, most Republican politicians knew something about guns from their experiences with them in WWII. Surviving that war and knowing they had shown the courage and unselfishness to serve their country, also gave them a strong sense of self-confidence and pride. So I think a combination of that self-confidence and having witnessed the devastation that guns had caused their buddies and innocent civilian victims, led these men to have a palpable disgust of weapons for any use other than hunting, and also a feeling that they could handle any relatively minor trouble that might happen back home post-war without needing a gun. And even a lot of former hunters gave that up when they returned from the battlefield....the sounds and smells brought back too many bad memories. Now...at least since the '90s, we have Republican politics and its media leaders comprised almost 100% of people who have never served in the military in their own generations' wars, and I think their seeming fetish about guns and associated heightened fear about the world is in large part due to a lack of the confidence and experience, good and bad, that military service provides a person. I think there's also a tendency for many men to adopt faux macho behaviors and associations to psychologically compensate for knowing they didn't have the right stuff to serve their nation in the military during time of war, and to wave the flag and say things like "I love the vets."
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Since when is the Secret Service authorized to abrogate a constitutional right to bear arms?
If you belief that we are safer when everybody carries a weapon, then isn't the Secret Service making the Republican Convention much less safe?
If you belief that we are safer when everybody carries a weapon, then isn't the Secret Service making the Republican Convention much less safe?
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The NRA mantra is quite simple, and Trump has it down. Guns = safety. More guns = more safety. The safest GOP convention would be everybody packing. Any other rationale should be condemned as apostasy according to the Republican Catechism.
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The current trend in gun-control opposition is based on a fantasy: bad things happen, but they won't happen to me – and if they do, I will have the presence of mind to shoot my way out of trouble.
Allowing guns into the Republican convention – thousands and thousands of guns poured into a room full of malcontents, each of whom perceives a threat in the rustling of a hot dog wrapper at the concession stand, each of whom ready to "stand and fight" against nothing in particular – has the potential to shatter that fantasy; I wouldn't be surprised if even the NRA didn't want guns allowed.
Allowing guns into the Republican convention – thousands and thousands of guns poured into a room full of malcontents, each of whom perceives a threat in the rustling of a hot dog wrapper at the concession stand, each of whom ready to "stand and fight" against nothing in particular – has the potential to shatter that fantasy; I wouldn't be surprised if even the NRA didn't want guns allowed.
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Consider that in many of Cleveland's residential neighborhoods, there are a number of informal youth organizations - such as the Heartless Felons or 103 Murdablock - that also believe in the right to carry concealed weapons and use them to shoot bad guys.
Isn't it gratifying that only in the US could such socio-economically diverse groups unite politically to push forward their agendas!
Isn't it gratifying that only in the US could such socio-economically diverse groups unite politically to push forward their agendas!
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Did Ted shoot pheasants or peasants? I thought it was the latter. Much more in keeping with his style. Cut off food stamps, welfare, the horror of Obamacare, like that.
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I find the argument proposed by Ms Collins not unlike the flip side of when, then Mayor, Bloomberg went around demanding New Yorkers be as unarmed as possible, while himself being constantly surrounded by armed guards.
It's the Secret Service that is running the security at the Republican National Convention, isn't it? And you can be sure there will be plenty of good guys with guns all through the limited event.
New York City has a police department with almost 50,000 employees, and it is all but impossible for the average, law abiding, middle class citizen to legally own a firearm in the City.
The Republican National Convention will be even more closely guarded than New York City.
There is no theory in the statement, when danger is seconds away, the police are minutes away. It's a basic fact of life in any number of places that are nothing like New York City, or the Republican National Convention.
Then take Chicago, which has one fourth the number of police employees than New York City does, and some of the strictest gun control laws anywhere.
http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/
It's the Secret Service that is running the security at the Republican National Convention, isn't it? And you can be sure there will be plenty of good guys with guns all through the limited event.
New York City has a police department with almost 50,000 employees, and it is all but impossible for the average, law abiding, middle class citizen to legally own a firearm in the City.
The Republican National Convention will be even more closely guarded than New York City.
There is no theory in the statement, when danger is seconds away, the police are minutes away. It's a basic fact of life in any number of places that are nothing like New York City, or the Republican National Convention.
Then take Chicago, which has one fourth the number of police employees than New York City does, and some of the strictest gun control laws anywhere.
http://crime.chicagotribune.com/chicago/shootings/
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If a person has a legal right (especially a license) to carry a handgun, why not let him into the convention? He is one of the good guys the gun proponents support, isn't he? He will be there to shoot the loony who smuggles a gun in, won't he? Or are Republicans actually concerned about innocents being caught in a crossfire? How odd. They don't seem to be concerned about that when the rest of us are facing it day in and day out.
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The GOP and the NRA are total hypocrites. They push for legislation to have guns everywhere, except at their statehouses, NRA conventions and RNC conventions. The rest of us should suffer. The only way to end this madness is to vote them out of office in November.
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Not in my town! Outside Cleveland we probably have a large % of gun owners. The weapons are behind locked doors, as they should be. Our crime rate is very low and we have never had a person shoot anyone else with a "concealed" weapon taken into action on the spot. I'd like to think that we are merely sane and we have evolved. For the record, I did not support "concealed carry" either, except for special circumstances. Like most Americans, I realize that guns are meant to kill. Every other conversation is just an excuse to take us backwards as a society.
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A stated reason for guns at the RNC was to protect delegates against violent protestors. You can imagine how easy it would be to provoke a GOP delegate to pull a gun and later claim he felt endangered by a chanting, in-your-face protestor.
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And Gale, it isn't just the "ability to aim accurately" that "good guys with guns" would need. First and foremost is to identify who the bad guys are, a task that becomes infinitely more complicated when several "good guys" (are you sure they are good guys?) draw weapons. Just imagine the dark movie theater and shots ring out. Where is the bad guy? Is there more then one? How many and how do you tell who is who? In fact having a bunch of folks armed could be used as a terrorist tactic. All the bad guys(s) would need to do at the convention is dress like the other attendants then start something by firing a few shots and let "friendly" crossfire take care of the rest as the "good guys" don't have a clue as to who is who, let alone the training or judgement to exercise deadly force.
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The problem is that people, including the courts, have always misinterpreted the Second Amendment. What it really says is that you are entitled to gun ownership if you are a member of the militia. Otherwise, you're not. Since we now have standing armies for national defense instead of a militia, the whole thing seems rather pointless.
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All the fun over the GOP hijacking of our common sense begins with laughter and ends in tears- we now have an assault rifle for every pickup truck, a University where you can carry a gun along with your copy of Atlas Shrugged, and entrepreneurs who are developing a gun that looks like a smart phone . Freedom rings to the tune of billions for the gun industry and pennies for public education- an education that might have us see that a healthy society is more complex than saying that government is the enemy to lead those in certain districts to the voting booth with fear and hatred. The tournament of fools that is the GOP nomination process and McConnell's war on Obama is an apt manifestation of a a fully loaded assault on reason led by nowhere men sitting in nowhere land making nowhere plans for nobody.
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Let's just cut to the chase and pass a fetal arms bill immediately. Why should the little tykes be denied their precious 2nd amendment rights just because they haven't been born yet?
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"Amendment II. Right fo bear arms. A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." However, the typical American in C18 was a New England farmer. No NRA; no "gun crazy" people with, or without, a license.
Would our country be better off with better legislation? Currently, there are more guns here than people.
Would our country be better off with better legislation? Currently, there are more guns here than people.
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"And the Republicans are so completely in bed with the N.R.A., the mattress is buckling."
I am so tired of the mindless duo of LaPierre and Nugent guiding our Congressional decisions to put firearms in as many hands and places as possible. The same bankrupt, fraudulent talking points permeate every discussion. Even Jeb knew the issue was untouchable by any R candidate months ago.
I signed the petition because I wanted these gun stroking clowns packed around each other. What could possibly go wrong? And if there were a problem, " stuff happens " is what I was told...
I am so tired of the mindless duo of LaPierre and Nugent guiding our Congressional decisions to put firearms in as many hands and places as possible. The same bankrupt, fraudulent talking points permeate every discussion. Even Jeb knew the issue was untouchable by any R candidate months ago.
I signed the petition because I wanted these gun stroking clowns packed around each other. What could possibly go wrong? And if there were a problem, " stuff happens " is what I was told...
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"Tomorrow morning, brew the coffee and shoot the breakfast." Well, in the movie "Earnest Goes to Jail," there is a scene where the two night bank guards are having breakfast with Earnest as an observer. The toaster pops up two pieces of toast in the shape of figures. Bobbi, the old non-speaking person, pulls out his gun and shoots the two pieces of toast.
So there, it has happened to "shoot the breakfast"!
So there, it has happened to "shoot the breakfast"!
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Guns at the Republican convention? Go ahead, make my day. They receive overwhelming protection everywhere else they go. Let's let them see what happens when hundreds of guns outnumber their bodyguards. This is what they wanted in America, right? Mass gun ownership, right? Get rid of the bodyguards they have everywhere. They'll be protected by their supporters. Right?
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Since NYT feels there is absolutely no difference between a heightened-security event...complete with metal detectors, armed security, and secret service...and an unprotected 'gun free zone' where protection is actually prohibited and mass murderers are simply politely asked to stay at home, I have a proposal that I hope will add a little perspective.
Since 'gun free zones' are such a good idea to Democrats, Their convention should be a true 'gun free zone'. No armed guards, no secret service, no metal detectors. The only thing standing between Hillary and a deranged gunman would be a sign saying "no guns allowed".
Since 'gun free zones' are such a good idea to Democrats, Their convention should be a true 'gun free zone'. No armed guards, no secret service, no metal detectors. The only thing standing between Hillary and a deranged gunman would be a sign saying "no guns allowed".
The Republicans are for an end to the federal government: "drown it in the bathtub."
Why are federal agents protecting anybody at a private political convention? One of their potential nominees is a US senator ... is he calling for protection on that basis? If so, let's hear it openly.
Think about what it's going to be like inside and outside the arena in Cleveland. Imagine that moment when through some machinations the Republicans nominate somebody other than Trump.
I sure do not want to be there. I don't even want to watch.
Why are federal agents protecting anybody at a private political convention? One of their potential nominees is a US senator ... is he calling for protection on that basis? If so, let's hear it openly.
Think about what it's going to be like inside and outside the arena in Cleveland. Imagine that moment when through some machinations the Republicans nominate somebody other than Trump.
I sure do not want to be there. I don't even want to watch.
5
Since so many owners let their weapons do the talkin', the prohibition against guns at the GOP convention is a violation of their First Amendment right to free speech, too.
2
Republicans allow people to shoot other people with gun laws that does not discriminate. Somebody, somewhere will get shot, die and nothing will change. Now Republicans are keeping quiet about a gun ban in Cleveland and refer to the Secret Service on the question. Why would a Republican shoot another Republican? Allow the full spectacle of guns in an arena and live with the consequences, COWARDS. Republicans are good at imposing on people but when its put up or shut up, they squirm, they ramp. In November 2016, vote Republicans out of office.
5
Would this be considered bathos or pathos? The Guns-R-Us crowd has no problem advocating for guns in our elementary schools but when it comes to the Republican National Convention their silence is deafening.
3
I am so tired of the GOP--the party that can't shoot or think straight--imposing its stupidity on us and our children. This party is really bad for our collective health in so many ways.
Besides gun-free zones, what this country really needs are Republican-free zones. We can start with the bedroom and women's medical and reproductive rights, then move on to the separation of church and state, then make sure the GOP keeps its cotton-pickin' hands off our Social Security, Medicare, etc., etc., etc.
Why do we now need Republican-free zones?
"...in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."
Besides gun-free zones, what this country really needs are Republican-free zones. We can start with the bedroom and women's medical and reproductive rights, then move on to the separation of church and state, then make sure the GOP keeps its cotton-pickin' hands off our Social Security, Medicare, etc., etc., etc.
Why do we now need Republican-free zones?
"...in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity..."
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Attendees to the Republican convention this summer should all carry concealed weapons and then gun loving republicans would feel the same fear we all feel when we send our kindergarteners off to school, or our 12 year olds to the corner store to get a quart of milk or our teenagers off to a college where people are allowed to carry guns on campus or our newly married children to a concert or our husbands and grandchildren off to the local mall to meet their representative in Congress. Perhaps then we would begin the process of reasonable gun control.
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Trump had 'predicted' riots if he was not named the nominee at the convention. So maybe his push for guns is part of his vision of supporters' fight to the death over him (his disclaimer not to condone future violence notwithstanding).
3
Donald Trump has already threatened violence at the convention. Some loony Republicanal will get incensed enough to terrorize the convention.
5
You get near the Capitol Building with a gun and you're dead. And don't even think about getting into the capitol with one. Those senators and representatives are just more important than the rest of us. No open carry near them. It has always amazed me that the irony of that policy escapes us. KA
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Having followed many gun debates on this and other sites, I am surprised at how readily the NRA and its supporters seem to be acquiescing in the Secret Service's RNC gun prohibition. While this policy seems sensible, second amendment militants must realize they are on a slippery slope; they are coming very close to acknowledging that common sense and concern for public safety may sometimes make limitations on the right to bear arms appropriate. And since - we are often told - the true purpose of the second amendment is not merely the right to use guns for hunting, sport, or self-defense but to prevent government tyranny, the presence of armed government agents makes it even more imperative that open carry be permitted at the convention! ;-)
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There is a simple solution that respects the Republican conventioneers right to bring guns to the convention and also serves the Secret Service obligation to protect the candidates.
Encase the candidates in bulletproof plexiglass cubes and lower them from the ceiling to the podium for their convention speeches. The Donald would be allowed to gild his cube so that he would feel at home.
Encase the candidates in bulletproof plexiglass cubes and lower them from the ceiling to the podium for their convention speeches. The Donald would be allowed to gild his cube so that he would feel at home.
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I am 60 years old. This is a relatively short lifetime, a mere eyeblink in the course of history. Yet here is a very incomplete list of assassinations or attempted assassinations of American political figures in that handful of decades:
John F. Kennedy. Malcolm X. Martin Luther King. Robert Kennedy. George Wallace. Gerald Ford, twice. Ronald Reagan. Gabby Giffords. All of which involved guns. (Granted, there have been assaults with other weapons. But guns make it far easier to kill from a great distance, on impulse, in a split-second.)
Given that record, the silence of the Republicans on banning guns from the convention seems - nay, is; I know not 'seems' - both prudent and hypocritical. The pols are implicitly saying it's OK for us plebs to be sacrificed on the altar of their questionable and ahistoric interpretation of the 2d Amendment, but that they will not even remotely risk martyrdom for a cause they claim to believe in so fiercely.
John F. Kennedy. Malcolm X. Martin Luther King. Robert Kennedy. George Wallace. Gerald Ford, twice. Ronald Reagan. Gabby Giffords. All of which involved guns. (Granted, there have been assaults with other weapons. But guns make it far easier to kill from a great distance, on impulse, in a split-second.)
Given that record, the silence of the Republicans on banning guns from the convention seems - nay, is; I know not 'seems' - both prudent and hypocritical. The pols are implicitly saying it's OK for us plebs to be sacrificed on the altar of their questionable and ahistoric interpretation of the 2d Amendment, but that they will not even remotely risk martyrdom for a cause they claim to believe in so fiercely.
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When it comes to guns, we Americans are really #1.
In the latest American Journal of Medicine article about how the US compares with other high-income countries, we absolutely win. For example, our homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than our peers, but gun homicide rates were 25.2 times higher. And for the youngsters aged 15-24, the gun homicide rate was an exceptional 49.0 times higher than the other high-income loser countries.
And to make a further point about how the candidates are not treating women fairly, 91% of all women who were killed by firearms in this study were from the US. In addition, 82% of all people killed by firearms in rich countries were in the US.
If anyone makes the claim that we are not exceptional when it comes to dying from firearms in America, I will do what I have to do to make my point. I will get my gun.
We're #1.
In the latest American Journal of Medicine article about how the US compares with other high-income countries, we absolutely win. For example, our homicide rates were 7.0 times higher than our peers, but gun homicide rates were 25.2 times higher. And for the youngsters aged 15-24, the gun homicide rate was an exceptional 49.0 times higher than the other high-income loser countries.
And to make a further point about how the candidates are not treating women fairly, 91% of all women who were killed by firearms in this study were from the US. In addition, 82% of all people killed by firearms in rich countries were in the US.
If anyone makes the claim that we are not exceptional when it comes to dying from firearms in America, I will do what I have to do to make my point. I will get my gun.
We're #1.
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Not a peep from the National Rifle Association on the right to "keep and bear arms" at the Republican convention. No smug Wayne LaPierre on all the news stations staunchly defending convention attendees right to bring the weapon of their choice with them. The man who bloviates on the right of people to bring weapons with them to airports, libraries, schools, and other public places is suddenly quiet. Why is the convention different from other public venues? The hypocrisy from him and the Republican candidates is palpable.
If I were a moderator at the next Republican debate, I would certainly question the candidates about this issue. In fact it would be the first issue I would bring up. I would also ask each candidate if he were elected President if his nominee for a Supreme Court Justice would first and foremost have to be NRA approved.
If I were a moderator at the next Republican debate, I would certainly question the candidates about this issue. In fact it would be the first issue I would bring up. I would also ask each candidate if he were elected President if his nominee for a Supreme Court Justice would first and foremost have to be NRA approved.
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In fond memory of Justice Scalia's stalwart support of Second Amendment rights, we need to expand his originalist constitutional interpretation by implementing the Amendment's introductory phrase: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State . . ." What we're missing right now is a constitutionally-protected Militia of citizens committed to defending the lives and property of all citizens -- never mind the feckless bird shooters. For our safety and to preserve and protect our way of life, we need to require every person possessing a gun or any variation thereof (e.g., assault rifle, tank, nuclear-armed drone) to register as a Militia member. Then and only then can we be assured that the purposes of the Second Amendment are truly served in the manner contemplated by the Founders of our country.
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Yes, most rational thinkers agree that the true reason for the "Take Your Gun to the Convention' poll was to point-out the true absurdity of today's Gun-Nuts (party included) is that it is a macho, "Right-Wing" thing, and has nothing to do with our history. If it did, the Second Amendment would legalize the blunderbuss, and nothing, more modern with rifling--or pistols even.
Also, given the contentious expectations of the coming GOP Convention, and the violence at several recent Trump circuses, that poll might have some negative aspects to it. There will probably be more whackos in the vicinity, if not in the convention hall, as it heightens the concern of a Dump-Trump movement. Normal people will shy away and, as a result, the overwhelming threat of violence will probably be heightened--with the increased proportion of Trumpests.
P. S. I wonder if the GOP was just trying to build more excitement into this year's convention in Cleveland, as a follow-up on Tampa, in 2012--during the height of Hurricane Season.
http://thetruthoncommonsense.com
Also, given the contentious expectations of the coming GOP Convention, and the violence at several recent Trump circuses, that poll might have some negative aspects to it. There will probably be more whackos in the vicinity, if not in the convention hall, as it heightens the concern of a Dump-Trump movement. Normal people will shy away and, as a result, the overwhelming threat of violence will probably be heightened--with the increased proportion of Trumpests.
P. S. I wonder if the GOP was just trying to build more excitement into this year's convention in Cleveland, as a follow-up on Tampa, in 2012--during the height of Hurricane Season.
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In 1755 Samuel Johnson published his Dictionary of the English Language. It was the dictionary of the English speaking world throughout the 18th century. It was the dictionary of all the British Colonies including the North American colonies.
It was the dictionary Jefferson and the other Revolutionaries used when they wrote the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
The dictionary defined Militia as the train-bands of the nation. The militia is the government armed forces no more no less. There are no secondary meanings.
Johnson's dictionary defines arms as the weapons of offense and defense again there are no secondary meanings.
When the second amendment was written the was no need for legal interpretation the meaning was absolutely clear. On a continent where three European Empires (Britain, Spain, France) had established colonies the new sovereign nation of the United States of America needed to make it perfectly clear that its sovereignty could be protected by its right to maintain its own military. The idea of a colony becoming an independent sovereign state was a revolutionary idea and the right of the US to maintain its own independent military to protect the country's property and independence was the only reason for the second amendment.
It was the dictionary Jefferson and the other Revolutionaries used when they wrote the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.
The dictionary defined Militia as the train-bands of the nation. The militia is the government armed forces no more no less. There are no secondary meanings.
Johnson's dictionary defines arms as the weapons of offense and defense again there are no secondary meanings.
When the second amendment was written the was no need for legal interpretation the meaning was absolutely clear. On a continent where three European Empires (Britain, Spain, France) had established colonies the new sovereign nation of the United States of America needed to make it perfectly clear that its sovereignty could be protected by its right to maintain its own military. The idea of a colony becoming an independent sovereign state was a revolutionary idea and the right of the US to maintain its own independent military to protect the country's property and independence was the only reason for the second amendment.
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As I was blasting together an omelette this morning, I found myself thinking of the recent armed intrusion at the Capitol Visitors Center. I wondered if there was a gift shop in the center and if any Second Amendment shooters were stocked there.
Like most everyone else who will write a letter in response to Ms. Collins' column, I realize this ban on firearms at the convention where a considerable number of the politicians and conventioneers are NRA members is an easy target. But then I thought, with a little bitterness, how easy a target the children of Chicago area, the recently killed officer workers in California were, the customers of any restaurant in Texas are, etc., ad infinitum. I can not bring myself to mention the school children, the moviegoers, and other recent victims of the frequent senseless, knee-jerk defense of a vaguely written, intentionally poorly understood Second Amendment to the Constitution.
If 50,000 signatures demanding the right to carry firearms at the Cleveland convention to is not proof enough of the will of the people to live according the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution, but which suddenly seem inconvenient to those who may be addressing their well-armed constituents, it's finally time for those in power who accept copious donations from the NRA and regularly spout its party line to admit that when it comes to their own safety, their support for guns almost anywhere is truly paper thin.
Like most everyone else who will write a letter in response to Ms. Collins' column, I realize this ban on firearms at the convention where a considerable number of the politicians and conventioneers are NRA members is an easy target. But then I thought, with a little bitterness, how easy a target the children of Chicago area, the recently killed officer workers in California were, the customers of any restaurant in Texas are, etc., ad infinitum. I can not bring myself to mention the school children, the moviegoers, and other recent victims of the frequent senseless, knee-jerk defense of a vaguely written, intentionally poorly understood Second Amendment to the Constitution.
If 50,000 signatures demanding the right to carry firearms at the Cleveland convention to is not proof enough of the will of the people to live according the freedoms guaranteed by the Constitution, but which suddenly seem inconvenient to those who may be addressing their well-armed constituents, it's finally time for those in power who accept copious donations from the NRA and regularly spout its party line to admit that when it comes to their own safety, their support for guns almost anywhere is truly paper thin.
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What are the Republicans afraid of? After all, they are the main shills for the NRA. I'd imagine that the party leaders would be thrilled to have concealed and open carrying of guns at the convention. What better way to prove how good people with guns can control the bad, bad people out there who do horrible things like become homeless, threaten the GOP sense of law and order (laws are to be enforced on those who don't make 6 figures and order is only for the very rich who can pay to have their wishes enforced), can't find jobs and wind up on the streets sick from illnesses they can't afford to have treated. I fail to see how the GOP needs to limit guns at their convention since all of them are good people.
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Next time, hen3ry, write it out every time: Gaggle Of Poltroons.
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“Trump does not appear to know anything much about firearms.”
I am not a Trump supporter, but evidenced by your article and decades of New York Times articles it would be almost impossible for Trump not know more about guns than you and everyone else who writes about guns at the New York Times.
I am not a Trump supporter, but evidenced by your article and decades of New York Times articles it would be almost impossible for Trump not know more about guns than you and everyone else who writes about guns at the New York Times.
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Evidently some jarheads are inclined to believe that guns challenge the limits of human intellect.
I can see you were USMC and 68 was a shooting war. So, speaking as one Nam vet (I corps, A Shau Valley, 69 still a shooting war) to another I can tell you unequivocally that you are misinformed. Trump was just another draft dodger like W while guys like you and me were firing for effect. The fact that guys like me don't support the excesses of the NRA and their legislative puppets doesn't mean we don't understand weapons.
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Best line ever: the Republicans are so completely in bed with the N.R.A., the mattress is buckling.
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Gail forgot about another instance of Hillary Clinton and guns. That time when she claimed she landed in Bosnia and came under sniper fire while walking across the tarmac. Go Bernie.
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It's unsurprising, though disappointing, to see you continuing to use your column space to give more PR to the worst as easiest targets for laughs.
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Funny and not so funny.
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Thank you for mentioning the crass Donald Jr. and the dead elephant. Big game hunting is appalling, and there he is, smirking for the camera and holding the dead elephant's tail. These people. There is no nouveau riche rock they won't turn over.
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I am all for gun control legislation, but can we please try to use a better word to describe it. 'Control' seems only slightly better than 'gulag'. How about calling it gun 'responsibility' legislation or gun 'safety' legislation or perhaps 'life preservation against bullets in body' legislation? I know this approach is superficial, but in case you did not know, a lot of voters are superficial.
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Another place you cannot carry a weapon is any NRA convention. The gun crowd's lobby is afraid of the very thing they advocate for.
As to Ms Clinton, in 2008 she was selling herself as Annie Oakley campaigning to the Right of then Senator Obama.
As to Ms Clinton, in 2008 she was selling herself as Annie Oakley campaigning to the Right of then Senator Obama.
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Does this mean the NRA will boycott their convention?
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We all know it is just about selling more guns.
Here in Florida Rick Scott signed the "Glocks vs. Docs" law sponsored by the NRA which discourages if not prohibits a doctor asking a patient if they have a firearm at home.
I worked with a guy who did three tours in the Iraq war and blew his brains out after two years of not coping.
His family got the flag from the burial ceremony.
And all the people on the Right wear their flag pins.
Here in Florida Rick Scott signed the "Glocks vs. Docs" law sponsored by the NRA which discourages if not prohibits a doctor asking a patient if they have a firearm at home.
I worked with a guy who did three tours in the Iraq war and blew his brains out after two years of not coping.
His family got the flag from the burial ceremony.
And all the people on the Right wear their flag pins.
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When will the democrats realize that better gun control is a winning issue?
They have been very poor in making it important...not enough main stream talk or social media contacts....
They have been very poor in making it important...not enough main stream talk or social media contacts....
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So let's see...
First, the NRA posts fairy tales on its website that have guns embedded so that you see Red Riding Hood shooting the wolf, etc. and now weaponized political conventions...the 9/11 psychosis of "my government cannot protect me so I need to protect myself and my family continues...Insanity anyone?
First, the NRA posts fairy tales on its website that have guns embedded so that you see Red Riding Hood shooting the wolf, etc. and now weaponized political conventions...the 9/11 psychosis of "my government cannot protect me so I need to protect myself and my family continues...Insanity anyone?
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Hmm. Just curious. What IS the NRA's position on this??
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And what would have happened if John McGraw, who sucker-punched a protester at N.C. Donald Trump rally, would of been packing a gun. Would he of shot the protester? And Mr McGraw hints at more violence: ‘Next time, we might have to kill him!’ Yup the NRA is right, more guns are the answer! (NOT!!!)
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I don't understand why all those good guys with guns aren't being allowed to gather, pray to the NRA and decide who God (NRA) has ordained to be president? It would be the most watched convention ever. And the most secure. If the second amendment is our greatest freedom then surely it should be on full display at the GOP convention.
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Gail Collins made my morning. If it wasn't for her link I would never have seen Ted Cruz's video Machine Gun Bacon.
Our political culture is ill.
Our political culture is ill.
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Or just demenTED.
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The Secret Service ban is outrageous! It is unconstitutional! Their decision to ban guns at the Republican convention needs to be appealed in court and if necessary rushed directly to the Supreme Court to get this infringement of the 2nd Amendment reversed. Every fun, gun-loving Republican has a constitutional right (and duty!) to carry, not just a gun, but multiple assault weapons into their convention.
Like Trump rallies, the Republican convention will likely be very rowdy; some 'bad guys' may object to the appointed nominee, but 'good guys with guns' can save the day and Trump's wish for protesters to be "carried out on a stretcher" would be a fitting end to the entire Republican Party.
Like Trump rallies, the Republican convention will likely be very rowdy; some 'bad guys' may object to the appointed nominee, but 'good guys with guns' can save the day and Trump's wish for protesters to be "carried out on a stretcher" would be a fitting end to the entire Republican Party.
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And why not the right to bear arms at the Republican National Convention in Cleveland in July? GOP convention-goers should have Open-Carry passes to bring their killing weapons to the Convention, since they advocate vociferously for firearms in every home, pot and pocket in America. The NRA - that most dreadful Hydra of our times - nods all it's heads that guns should be permitted everywhere that people, children, innocents gather in these United States - schools, airports, campuses. churches. So why not at the RNC Convention? Out of the Edsel mouth of Trump come too many blasphemies, not least of which was his argument that if the Paris concert-goers were armed, the outcome of the slaughter would have been different. i.e." let's say we're in that room with 40 people with guns - we'd have done a lot better because of a shootout!" Donald Trump armed is the loosest cannon on the Titanic's lifeboat deck along with Ted Cruz in camouflage making "machine gun bacon"! Oh, Lord, spare us the horrific contested convention where all the candidates and wannabe GOP POTUSes - not a one of viable Presidential timber - will be "carrying" on their bods! Gun control could be a wining issue in this Presidential Election if ony there weren't more pressing life and death issues, like denial of climate change, denial of Evolution, zealotry among the Evangelicals to seamlessly blend Church and State, and how to deal with the Islamic State (Da'esh, ISIS). "carpet bombing" isn't the answer, Ted!
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There IS one place where the NRA is opposed to having people walking around packing heat: NRA headquarters.
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The NRA was strong, but not politically ferocious, before the 1990s. In the 1990s, during Bill Clinton's first term, two substantial pieces of federal gun-control legislation were passed (Brady Handgun Violence Prevention Act, 1993; and the Violent Crime Control and Law Enforcement Act, which included the Assault Weapons Ban, 1994). Then, the NRA stepped up its attacks. Wayne LaPierre wrote a letter about "jack-booted government thugs." George H. W. Bush resigned his membership in the NRA when he read that message.
An Angry White Male, pro-militia, backlash cost the Democrats Congressional seats in 1994. Bill Clinton said "The fight for the assault weapons ban cost 20 members their seats in Congress. The NRA is the reason Republicans control the House." Clinton then taught himself to triangulate, and was reelected in 1996 (few people expected this to happen). Of course it helped that Timothy McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma Federal Building and deflated, discredited, the AWM militia movement ... briefly.
Between 1994 and 1997, 14 states passed new right-to-carry (concealed-carry) laws, thereby resisting the federal government. That's when things happened. The mid-1990s.
It's a long history. No new federal gun-control legislation has been passed in the United States since 1994. The Assault Weapons Ban has expired. What next?
An Angry White Male, pro-militia, backlash cost the Democrats Congressional seats in 1994. Bill Clinton said "The fight for the assault weapons ban cost 20 members their seats in Congress. The NRA is the reason Republicans control the House." Clinton then taught himself to triangulate, and was reelected in 1996 (few people expected this to happen). Of course it helped that Timothy McVeigh blew up the Oklahoma Federal Building and deflated, discredited, the AWM militia movement ... briefly.
Between 1994 and 1997, 14 states passed new right-to-carry (concealed-carry) laws, thereby resisting the federal government. That's when things happened. The mid-1990s.
It's a long history. No new federal gun-control legislation has been passed in the United States since 1994. The Assault Weapons Ban has expired. What next?
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"There was a time when Americans seemed O.K. with a middle-of-the-road approach to guns." Hey, com'on. That was before you could fire off 50 rounds in 10 seconds. Haven't you any idea how much fun guns are?
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Given that some of the corporations are having second thoughts about providing services to the convention, someone suggested that Jack Daniels could step forward and provide free beverages to the delegates with open-carry.
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How appropriate that, with guns the subject of you column, you couldn't resist taking a shot at Bernie.
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Liberal democrat here....of course they should let folks open carry at the convention!! Why shouldn't the delegates and party elites live with the consequences of their devotion to the NRA.
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Let the Republican party ban guns at their convention, and let it become a landmark case before the Supreme Court to amend or repeal the Second Amendment, after the election of course.
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Lovely essay !
Yes, President Madison specifically intended that guns, large clips, and armed predator drones should be available in the front lobby at all Republican and NRA meetings.
Should are nation refuse Senator Mitch McConnell's disciples their 2nd Amendment Rights to shot into the air when Governor Palin provides a fired up speech, the American Dream will end that hour!
Yes, President Madison specifically intended that guns, large clips, and armed predator drones should be available in the front lobby at all Republican and NRA meetings.
Should are nation refuse Senator Mitch McConnell's disciples their 2nd Amendment Rights to shot into the air when Governor Palin provides a fired up speech, the American Dream will end that hour!
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The intent of the First Amendment "right to free speech" was ignored in SCOTUS Citizen's United decision; supported the the intent of the 14th Amendment clause that protects citizens who willingly and without coercion enter into contracts such as same sex marriage, and probably a few more examples.
My point is: Why won't they reexamine the intent of the Second Amendment?
SCOTUS decisions are all about PRECEDENCE.
My point is: Why won't they reexamine the intent of the Second Amendment?
SCOTUS decisions are all about PRECEDENCE.
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Guns, religion and abortion forever. The Cleveland convention (outside the hall) will be a weaponized environment amid political hotheads and unlimited tension. Delegates, protesters and police will be armed and equally dangerous. The federarlies will try to provide insight and intellengece but the dangers associated with crowd psychology among winners and losers could overwhelm conventional city management and resources.
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Where's the NRA outrage? You can bet that if we were talking about the Democratic National Convention we would hear from them. Hypocrites.
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The funniest line was Trump saying that without guns being allowed into the Republican convention, he would be a 'sitting duck'. I'm sure the Secret Service was very happy to hear that the Donald thinks they are incompetent.
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Gives a whole new meaning to the phrase "Donald Duck."
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To get an idea of how difficult it is to shoot another human being read "On Killing" by Lt. Col Grossman, of Black Hawk Down fame. You will be surprised to read that humans have an innate desire to not kill their fellow man; that soldiers in every war deliberately missed their targets; that even when one is ready to kill, that firing a weapon accurately while massive amounts of adrenaline are flowing, that events are happening faster than can be kept up with, that is is often difficult to tell friend from enemy (friendly fire is a major contributor to battlefield losses). Want to know what it is really like to have to shoot another human being? Go to war. We who have been there know that is nothing like what is depicted on film. This sick obsession with weapons of death is telling. Add to that our need to be medicated (Americans (5% world population) consume 85% of the world illicit drug production, 80% of pharmaceutical opiates) and it is apparent we have serious underlying issues in this country. A need for guns and drugs is not the sign of a healthy society.
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I've read that soldiers instinctively avoided killing their human targets (and this was a problem for the military) until video games, and video head-shots, were introduced, and video training helped Dylan and Klebold (Columbine) focus. Maybe that's just a rumor.
That was such a great book! Thank you for mentioning it.
I will take this quote from my father, who had an expert rating in both pistol and rifle from the US Marines in WWII. In answer to a neighbor about having a gun for protection: "If an armed man walks into the house and I have a gun, he will shoot first, that's why I don't want to have a gun in this house."
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Why does everyone ignore "a well regulated militia" from the 2A? The carefree attitude to gun regulation in this country is irresponsible and shocking. 30,000 gun deaths a year and no one in power can do anything.
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because scullia said that's what our founders wanted. Luckily its dead now and will hopefully be replaced with a human being. just like it said corporations were people, a real originalist, funny how there were no corporation when the constitution was written.
Because it was put in to assure the states that the "new" government (decedent of the Articles of Confederation) had no ability to interfere with the states' militias. THe lack of such assurance could well have doomed ratification. There were few armories and fewer police, so keeping and bearing was essential to the times as well as to militias.
BTW, lest you yhink me a RWNJ, I am a Democrat who supports regulated gun ownership (ie. no machine guns), universal background checks, CCW with mandatory training, bullet marking, magazine size limits, and no open carry except for cause (sorry Seal 6 wannabes).
BTW, lest you yhink me a RWNJ, I am a Democrat who supports regulated gun ownership (ie. no machine guns), universal background checks, CCW with mandatory training, bullet marking, magazine size limits, and no open carry except for cause (sorry Seal 6 wannabes).
One of the Senate lug nuts running for re-election, Ron Johnson of Wisconsin, has made it a centerpiece of his campaign that the Supreme Court nominee, Merrick Garland, has shown by his rulings a total disregard of the 2nd Amendment, thus posing yet another reason why he shouldn't get a hearing much less a confirmation vote.
From all I've read about Garland, he has NO judicial record involving the 2nd Amendment, which is probably one of the reasons the White House chose him. But truth and accuracy have no place among Senate Republicans and GOP candidates. I wish the Secret Service had backed off and allowed every delegate and hangar on to pack heat at the GOP convention, just so we could see, like a NASCAR race, whether someone would be injured or killed.
From all I've read about Garland, he has NO judicial record involving the 2nd Amendment, which is probably one of the reasons the White House chose him. But truth and accuracy have no place among Senate Republicans and GOP candidates. I wish the Secret Service had backed off and allowed every delegate and hangar on to pack heat at the GOP convention, just so we could see, like a NASCAR race, whether someone would be injured or killed.
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Totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Yes. it could have been wonderful. All the candidates would shoot each other, like a wild west movie. Maybe John Wayne would be reincarnated and run for President!
"And the Republicans are so completely in bed with the N.R.A., the mattress is buckling."
Loved this line. Thanks Gail!
Loved this line. Thanks Gail!
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The only way to stop is bad politician with a gun is another bad politician with a gun. So allow guns at the Republican convention in Cleveland where I envision Ted Cruz at the podium blasting away with an AK-47 and yelling "Free at last! Free at last! Thank God Almighty, free at last!"
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Or, Cruz yelling: "I love the smell of napalm in the morning."
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I think it's only fair that the attendees at the GOP convention feel the same disquiet the rest of us feel when a gun touting macho person swaggers into a Walmart with a semi automatic machine gun on his shoulder.
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Has the NRA taken a position on this particular situation? As that organization's answer to every possible question is more guns, why not in Cleveland?
On a somewhat related note, on Capital Hill, why do legislators, who have enabled America to be armed to the teeth, have the benefit of their own police force? Let them be exposed like just like the rest of us.
On a somewhat related note, on Capital Hill, why do legislators, who have enabled America to be armed to the teeth, have the benefit of their own police force? Let them be exposed like just like the rest of us.
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I can't find it. Hypocritical, after all, they are now writing fairy tales with gun toting characters for "safety" of children.
It is actually surprising that there has not been a shooting yet at a trump rally. Only a matter of time.
Are Republicans hypocritical on guns? You betcha!
Is the idea that carrying weapons everywhere makes people safer just nonsense? You betcha!
Are Republicans hypocritical on guns? You betcha!
Is the idea that carrying weapons everywhere makes people safer just nonsense? You betcha!
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Ah, America! Where a person running for office has to publicly shoot something dead to be in the running. Does any other country tolerate this sort of nonsense from those who would be king, or even prime minister?
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Vladimir Putin does this sort of thing too.
I signed the petition. Thousands of angry anti-fact, anti-science. anti-logic delegates: getting drunk, armed, and seeing their White Knight who will stop the decline and fall of Christian American culture getting the run around by the party bosses....What could go wrong? Seriously though, it is amusing to see the Republicans so easily setting aside their cherished core beliefs at the order of a sub-set of the despicable Federal govmint. A bunch of gutless wonders. They don't walk their talk.
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I also signed the petition. When they asked at the end for why you supported it, I wrote "Karma" just to show the hypocrisy of the cowards running for the GOP nomination, not willing to accept the same rules that they want for you and me.
And this is said as a legal gun owner in one of the more regulated states. I had no problem with having a real background check done, instead of the quickie online done by the Feds. And having to sit down with a Detective in my local Police Dept. for a 10 minute discussion where she could evaluate me, was fine. I think a screening picks up those with potential mental health problems better than a record check.
Shooting can be a fun and disciplined sport. I used to be a member of the NRA when it supported sporting and safety before the crazies took over. Now I recommend the Liberal Gun Club. A group that supports common-sense regulations. Check them out if the NRA has gotten to be too much for you.
And this is said as a legal gun owner in one of the more regulated states. I had no problem with having a real background check done, instead of the quickie online done by the Feds. And having to sit down with a Detective in my local Police Dept. for a 10 minute discussion where she could evaluate me, was fine. I think a screening picks up those with potential mental health problems better than a record check.
Shooting can be a fun and disciplined sport. I used to be a member of the NRA when it supported sporting and safety before the crazies took over. Now I recommend the Liberal Gun Club. A group that supports common-sense regulations. Check them out if the NRA has gotten to be too much for you.
Here's my gun story. Got a hand gun a few years ago from a friend, a Smith and Wesson 9mm. Thought it would be reasonable to own one, since when you go hiking in the woods out where we live, large animals sometimes stalk you. Wanting to know how to use a hand gun safely, my wife and I attended a class for first time gun owners sponsored by the local gun club. After two hours of gun handling and safety instruction, we moved out to the firing range for practice, closely-supervised shooting at a target about 15 feet away. After practicing for several minutes, it was announced that one of the instructors happened to be a speed hand gun shooter, holding national records for being the fastest to fire off multiple rounds at a target. He gave our group a demonstration firing at our targets. Sure was fast, but wasn't particularly accurate. Wonder how he would do in a crowded movie theater.
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Just how many times have you been stalked by a large or small animal. I spend a lot of time in the Colorado mountains and have yet to see a mountain lion or a bear when out walking. I have had a bear on my deck and he left when I said shoo bear.
I wish all writers for the NYtimes would abandon the fiction of calling the NRA the National Rifle Association and call it what it really is: The Gun Manufactures Political Lobby
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At their last convention, the NRA banned all personal firearms and had armed security at hand to enforce it. Imagine the PR nightmare that would have resulted from some gun nut popping off a few rounds there, even if only into the air.
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"Trump does not appear to know anything much about firearms." The Donald doesn't appear to know much about anything after listening to him with Anderson Cooper on CNN. It was like having a conversation with an elementary school student with ADHD.
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With all due respect to elementary school students with ADHD, please! My son is in this category and has never sounded as mental or incoherent as Mr. Trump. In fact, I think many of us have or know children who immediately see through this candidate's attempts at "looking Presidential" and are puzzled by what he says and does - it's getting harder and harder to explain that this is our American Democracy in action. BTW, watched Ted Cruz making Texas firearm bacon - wow, and OMG is all I can say. Greasy (not just from the bacon drippings) comes to mind too -
Elementary school students with ADHD deserve an apology for being compared to Mr. Trump.
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By all means, give the Republican convention-goers guns! Why isn't this in the Borowitz Report?
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Shooting pheasants! Here in Georgia they erect a large chimney like structure ,feed the birds in from cages and as they fly out the top BLAM! Very sporting and requires a great deal of skill!
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Even in the wild, shooting pheasants is more like assassination than hunting.. The birds fly vertically slowly until they gain altitude. Let Cruz try hunting quail. A clutch of quail explode into flight in all directions. He would probably wind up hitting a lawyer, the way Cheney did.
Spoken like someone who has never walked their tail off to get an opportunity at a wild pheasant. Its a lot tougher than strolling down the aisle to pick up a package of chicken. Or better yet, tofu made from soybeans grown in an chemically maintained mono culture that kills or displaces everything but the "target" plant.
Interesting fact: loaded guns are also not allowed at gun shows. I'll bet it would be rather easy to put together a list of other place where the "lock and load" crowd to not allow load guns because their lives would be in danger. Anyone care to use the word "hypocrite"?
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It should be noted that most of the pro-gun states do not allow firearms in the state capitals - those republicans do want to protect themselves - just not anyone else.
The saddest part of this is that I've stopped even thinking about the issues. I'm so worried that a complete wacko will be living in the White House, chumming it up with Putin, sending out bills to our NATO allies and coming up with other really big, really good ideas, that I've no time left to worry about the NRA owning congress, or poor pregnant girls going to jail for getting an abortion. . .
Donald is right about one thing, the Mexican's are going to build and wall, to keep out the Americans who will come flooding over the border if Donald is elected!
Donald is right about one thing, the Mexican's are going to build and wall, to keep out the Americans who will come flooding over the border if Donald is elected!
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Was the duck Hillary shot named "Donald"?
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I can imagine the ironic scenario a wannabe terrorist who's seen "Reservoir Dogs" might dream up. Go to a gun show, get himself a nice automatic pistol without the need for a background check, waltz through security, fire off a few rounds and then see what happens when a few thousand Republicans draw their guns on each other in the confusion.
It used to be we had to check our guns before coming into the town bar. It's now looking like bringing our guns is becoming mandatory. Hard to believe we were smarter in the 1800's than we are now. Where's Matt Dillon now that we really need him?
It used to be we had to check our guns before coming into the town bar. It's now looking like bringing our guns is becoming mandatory. Hard to believe we were smarter in the 1800's than we are now. Where's Matt Dillon now that we really need him?
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Yeah, the people should be allowed to bear arms in every situation possible.
The next step: A law allowed GUNS to bear guns in kindergartens. Or, at least large knives.
If only that 78-year-old who got crazy at the Trump rally and sucker punched the protester had one. He said later the protestor might have been a terrorist or something. But, sadly, there are metal detectors at the doors of Trump rallies.
Guns have an analogue in nudist camps. Most people who want them are exactly the people who should not be allowed to carry them.
The next step: A law allowed GUNS to bear guns in kindergartens. Or, at least large knives.
If only that 78-year-old who got crazy at the Trump rally and sucker punched the protester had one. He said later the protestor might have been a terrorist or something. But, sadly, there are metal detectors at the doors of Trump rallies.
Guns have an analogue in nudist camps. Most people who want them are exactly the people who should not be allowed to carry them.
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Gail, I had opposed Ted Cruz because of the racist demagoguery, religious pandering, serial distortion of facts, questionable campaign ethics, defunding of PPH, and spearheading the government shutdown, but after seeing him "Cruzify"bacon on a "machine gun " I had an intense epiphany and am now an ardent Cruz supporter.
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Since the NRA has bought and paid for much of the GOP--new acronyms:
NRA=NEED REPUBLICANS ARMED
GOP=GUNS ONLY POLICY
NRA=NEED REPUBLICANS ARMED
GOP=GUNS ONLY POLICY
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I must be confused, so will have to walk through this: The gun nuts swear up and down that "assault rifles" really, really aren't "assault" rifles; oh, no...they are just another cute version of a nice friendly little 'gun' that even little Joey and Susie can use. Yet the dim bulb Cruz stated flat out that he made "machine gun bacon" on the barrel of one of these cutesy little toys. So, which is it, Teddy boy...assault weapon that can be easily modified to be full auto like, you know, a machine gun? Or just a nice little toy? Blooming, flaming idiots...the whole lot of them. I carried an M60 machine gun for a year in a somewhat unfriendly place over 45 years ago, and also saw the effects of "assault rifles". We are now seeing absolute fools jokingly refer to them, and long to caress and fondle these little "toys". They make me sick.
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Unfortunately for many of those people that have been killed and maimed through gun violence, they are only considered to be collateral damage or necessary sacrifices to maintain the religious ideology and perceived holiness of the 2A.
Perhaps someday (although I don't see if happening for at least a generation), the GOP will actually catch up with all of their constituents (not just those that reflexively vote pro-2A) and work with the Dems on both promoting and funding necessary research and following through with meaningful legislation toward ending this unnecessary violence in our nation.
Perhaps someday (although I don't see if happening for at least a generation), the GOP will actually catch up with all of their constituents (not just those that reflexively vote pro-2A) and work with the Dems on both promoting and funding necessary research and following through with meaningful legislation toward ending this unnecessary violence in our nation.
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Sensible gun regulation is going to be one of the early victories of the Democrat Congress that will accompany the election of Hillary.
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Talk about delusional!
"The National Rifle Association is beginning to run out of places to demand that people be allowed to bring their pistols, having already thrown down the gauntlet on bars, kindergartens, airports and college campuses."
Don't forget CHURCH, because, as we all know, God is a great shot.
Don't forget CHURCH, because, as we all know, God is a great shot.
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Guns in church has already happened. I found out several weeks ago that a number of people attend my church with their firearms in tow. Because, you know, something might happen.
In God we trust; all others should pack heat.
In God we trust; all others should pack heat.
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Right, and don't forget hospitals.
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Stan and Ollie with automatic weapons!
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Me thinks the open-carry at the convention would match with the well established ready-shot-aim of Republican political speech. Perhaps a kind of Darwin- survival -deterministic approach to who finally is the last man standing at the convention is the candidate.
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Parts of this should be funny but they aren't. Gail I just can't get amused by the ubiquity of guns, even at an RNC convention.
But I must know this: I find it highly ironic that the candidates who all favor all guns all the time are adamant about not commenting on facing a convention full of gun toters. Reminds me of the hypocrisy of Congress legislating healthcare and other issues for all of us, while exempting themselves--naturally.
When it comes to anything, you can be pretty sure the attitude of the GOP is "do as I say," not "do as I do."
But I must know this: I find it highly ironic that the candidates who all favor all guns all the time are adamant about not commenting on facing a convention full of gun toters. Reminds me of the hypocrisy of Congress legislating healthcare and other issues for all of us, while exempting themselves--naturally.
When it comes to anything, you can be pretty sure the attitude of the GOP is "do as I say," not "do as I do."
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You really hit the nail on the head about the GOP in your final sentence.
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No mention of the author of the petition? Look in the linked article:
"Jim wouldn't say where he lives, only that he has roots in Philadelphia and works in the public health sector. Jim is a self-described liberal Democrat who intends to vote for Hillary Clinton should she become the Democratic nominee. He isn't affiliated with a campaign or any advocacy group, but did some volunteer work on Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign. Jim is no fan of guns and he's "pretty passionate" about his activism, he says."
"Jim wouldn't say where he lives, only that he has roots in Philadelphia and works in the public health sector. Jim is a self-described liberal Democrat who intends to vote for Hillary Clinton should she become the Democratic nominee. He isn't affiliated with a campaign or any advocacy group, but did some volunteer work on Barack Obama's 2008 presidential campaign. Jim is no fan of guns and he's "pretty passionate" about his activism, he says."
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Sure, but are you going to also argue the thousands of people that signed it are also all agent provocateurs?
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Like many, I believe we have a right to own and bear firearms. But I don't see how the 2nd Amendment gives us this right. What I suggest is the complete scrapping of the present amendment and the writing of a new one that is applicable to contemporary times. Not likely to happen. Even so, perhaps the Times and others here and elsewhere could try their minds at it and produce and publish in these pages what a new 2nd Amendment that is relevant to present day might look like.
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Like everything else under the law of contracts, there is a give for every get. The second amendment says that Congress has to use its Article I Section 8 powers to regulate militias to protect the unarmed for the security of their liberty and property. In other words, if you want to be trusted with a gun, you have to convince the unarmed that you won't endanger them with it.
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Imagine, the convention doesn't want a lot of guns in the hands of a lot of angry people in a crowded venue. What could go wrong? Perhaps the vision of turning the a contested convention into the OK corral lacks appeal.
I would love to be funny about this issue - Gail Collin's columns deserve a light touch - but I just cannot dig it up. Just a little before Easter, a high school boy from nearby, won the all county MVP at a local event for the county's best basketball players, and was shot to death later than evening while standing on a porch with friends. He was "not the intended target." He was my son's age. His mother buried him, because he didn't have the privilege I have of living in a safe neighborhood. I just cannot laugh.
Go ahead GOP and protect yourselves, and go on letting kids living in all the places you don't want to look at die because they were "not the intended target." The mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine.
I would love to be funny about this issue - Gail Collin's columns deserve a light touch - but I just cannot dig it up. Just a little before Easter, a high school boy from nearby, won the all county MVP at a local event for the county's best basketball players, and was shot to death later than evening while standing on a porch with friends. He was "not the intended target." He was my son's age. His mother buried him, because he didn't have the privilege I have of living in a safe neighborhood. I just cannot laugh.
Go ahead GOP and protect yourselves, and go on letting kids living in all the places you don't want to look at die because they were "not the intended target." The mills of God grind slowly, but they grind exceeding fine.
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The price we pay for the right to unregulated purchase, owning an use of firearms in this country is around 11,000 dead children and adults each year.
Every year.
Some "right!"
Every year.
Some "right!"
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Of course, everyone at the Republican convention should be armed. If it is attacked by ISIS, the more bullets flying, the safer everyone will be.
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if that were actually to happen, the safer the rest of us would be.
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Not mention the Supreme Court, and the NRA Convention itself, both of which (I'm told), also ban guns.
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That's a great visual image. Kinda like Hillary's mad dash across the tarmac with terrorist bullets zinging by to the safety of a young girl holding a bouquet of flowers. Or something like that!
Barking
Little apartment dog
Bark at passing strangers
Beware each human heart
Carrying the instinct for war
Little apartment dog
Bark at passing strangers
Beware each human heart
Carrying the instinct for war
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It is past time to bury the zombie NRA argument that the results in Aurora and Paris would be different if only there were a "good guy" with a gun to balance the terms of the engagement. While a different ending is possible in theory if the "good guy" were one of the first ones menaced, having armed civilians as a line of defense of the masses is at best a pipe dream - even assuming that the "good guy" or "good gal" is an expert marksman. If crouching behind your seat you are expecting to see that good guy creep across the room to administer two to the back of the head, or stand up and attempt a miracle pistol shot to take down a man armed with an automatic rifle 30-feet away across a crowded movie theater in near darkness, you might as well keep watching the movie. What they will do is hold their fire until they have ascertained who the bad guy is and that bad guy comes close enough to be an immediate threat to them or their loved ones. Few, if any, will ever be in a position to take that shot. And the last thing a "good guy" is going to do is to draw a gun in defense of the masses only to be shot by a cop who happens upon the ensuing melee. The only rational reason to carry that gun is to have a very personal defense when you are face-to-face with mortality, not to be a hero. And arming everyone in the crowd does not work in quite the same way as herd immunity as Gail makes clear.
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This is a sensible argument, but here's the problem ... the NRA for more than twenty years has practiced deflecting these arguments, and has appealed to Americans who hate being preached at, who defend the sanctity of their own households by referring to American self-reliance, who don't trust liberals and their statistical, condescending medical advice, and who aren't going to listen to you (or me). So. What can be done? Just more empty battles, more frozen, hot political attacks? Clearly, many men and women in the US plan to buy, own, and shoot their own guns, and they defend their rights to self-defense, which they consider protected by the Second Amendment (according to the Supreme Court, they're right ... see "Heller.") The majority of states in the US now have right-to-carry laws on the books, and nearly all states allow weapons equipped with magazines that hold more than ten bullets. Over the last twenty years, the NRA has won just about all the battles. So. Why? and What Next?
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" ... go hunting with someone from “Duck Dynasty,” which is really embarrassing."
Not just embarrassing. Watching Cruz's facial expressions and body language is revealing. Cruz is obviously uncomfortable being with a bearded, religion-crazed white man in camo, who all too well resembles the white voters whom Cruz is all too willing to exploit.
Not just embarrassing. Watching Cruz's facial expressions and body language is revealing. Cruz is obviously uncomfortable being with a bearded, religion-crazed white man in camo, who all too well resembles the white voters whom Cruz is all too willing to exploit.
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I confess I have not seen any coverage of Cruz hunting with the Duck Dynasty fellow. Was Cruz wearing camo at the time? I know he doesn't have a beard, but Cruz is himself religion crazed - the man is a Dominionist! He literally believes that the church (his, of course) must take over the actual entire world - so it must have been the Duck guy's beard that made him nervous. Or maybe he was hunting in one of his $1000 suits and was worried about getting duck guts on it.
Cruz makes the rest of us nervous enough all by himself. If you want a theocracy like in any number of Middle-eastern countries, vote for this guy.
Cruz makes the rest of us nervous enough all by himself. If you want a theocracy like in any number of Middle-eastern countries, vote for this guy.
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The RNC must denounce the Secret Service decree in no uncertain terms and proceed to the convention floor armed to the teeth. After all, those security folks are part of the no good GOVERNMENT out of WASHINGTON. By definition, they must be rejected.
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Americans agreed to a middle-of-the road approach to guns when they weren’t assailed almost on a daily basis that those who owned them were troglodytes who, when they weren’t out shooting Bambi or inveigling youngsters to play with their parent’s weapons and blow a hand off, they were in bowling alleys consuming beer by the keg and proving yet again why citified elites hold them in such contempt.
But times they are a changin’, this has become a “cause” among the unchained, potted liberati, like California smelt; and all those troglodytes figure that they’d better protect their constitutional rights by excessive demands or they’ll be nickel-and-dimed by the left until they HAVE no rights left. Besides, in case you haven’t twigged yet, it’s FUN to tick off liberals. But you’re learning – Donald Trump is seeing to THAT. And not to be TOO pointed, but the crack about Cruz and “Duck Dynasty” does rather prove how gun toters are being assailed – that wasn’t a gentle crack nudging those one loves.
No, guns don’t belong everywhere. They don’t belong in schools, or airports, or highly contentious venues such as political conventions; and they certainly don’t belong in bars. But I despair of achieving any middle-ground here, and it’s not gun fanciers that cause me that despair.
But times they are a changin’, this has become a “cause” among the unchained, potted liberati, like California smelt; and all those troglodytes figure that they’d better protect their constitutional rights by excessive demands or they’ll be nickel-and-dimed by the left until they HAVE no rights left. Besides, in case you haven’t twigged yet, it’s FUN to tick off liberals. But you’re learning – Donald Trump is seeing to THAT. And not to be TOO pointed, but the crack about Cruz and “Duck Dynasty” does rather prove how gun toters are being assailed – that wasn’t a gentle crack nudging those one loves.
No, guns don’t belong everywhere. They don’t belong in schools, or airports, or highly contentious venues such as political conventions; and they certainly don’t belong in bars. But I despair of achieving any middle-ground here, and it’s not gun fanciers that cause me that despair.
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He is accusing people who want reasonable gun control of preventing precisely what they want. He despairs not because the NRA and a host of right-wing legislatures that are promoting more and more laws to allow the carrying of guns, but what he evidently considers the "fanaticism" of the opposition.
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Then who does cause you despair? It's only the gun fanciers who say that guns belong in schools and airports and conventions and bars. It's only gun fanciers who demand unlimited access to assault weapons.
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Frank and Ray:
Muzzle your most energetic gun control activists, and I think you'd find a willingness on the part of gun owners (of which I'm NOT one) to wax far more rational about sensible controls. Don't, and reap the whirlwind.
Muzzle your most energetic gun control activists, and I think you'd find a willingness on the part of gun owners (of which I'm NOT one) to wax far more rational about sensible controls. Don't, and reap the whirlwind.
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I say let them have their guns in Cleveland; stand down the Secret Service (give them time off or a vacation or ...); because the only thing that can stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun - right?!. Then let's see how that works out at a potentially contested convention. Maybe then we can get some sensible gun regulation that Sandy Hook or a myriad of other places couldn't get done.
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Homicide was up more than 50 percent in several major cities last year. And the NRA says we really need more guns.
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Homicides were not up - where do you get your stats? And sure, Hillary is anti-gun as long as she's standing behind her secret service protectors.
May I recommend a recent movie on the issue of violence in major cities? Spike Lee's 'Chi-Raq'. Startling, nuanced, spares no one from blame. (Wildly original, often bleakly funny, and great performances, too.)
"Latest in the long, long line of Controversies We Weren’t Really Expecting: the right to bear arms at the Republican National Convention"
At least the NRA is consistent and the only problem is no republican nominee.Instead of punching in the face as Trump suggested shoot.
If we can have guns in schools why not at the convention where the guys are adamtly in favor of guns will gather?I would use this strategy of guns at the Republican convention in the democratic sales pitch.
At least the NRA is consistent and the only problem is no republican nominee.Instead of punching in the face as Trump suggested shoot.
If we can have guns in schools why not at the convention where the guys are adamtly in favor of guns will gather?I would use this strategy of guns at the Republican convention in the democratic sales pitch.
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It's interesting that Gail continues with her snarkiness without every mentioning what the gun laws are in Ohio.
Disclosure:
I signed that petition, in hopes that if the Open Carry was allowed, the Grand Pooh-Bahs of the GOP and NRA, who've forced these laws upon us, would feel the same level of threat that we, the citizens, endure.
And, the NRA and Republicans are so in bed that the mattress looks like a canoe; their love affair is so passionate, the bed frame needs to be replaced on an almost daily basis!
And, let's not forget, domestic violence *IS* the most common use of firearms within the home...
I signed that petition, in hopes that if the Open Carry was allowed, the Grand Pooh-Bahs of the GOP and NRA, who've forced these laws upon us, would feel the same level of threat that we, the citizens, endure.
And, the NRA and Republicans are so in bed that the mattress looks like a canoe; their love affair is so passionate, the bed frame needs to be replaced on an almost daily basis!
And, let's not forget, domestic violence *IS* the most common use of firearms within the home...
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I would agree, but I feel so bad for Cleveland. They don't deserve a shootout just because, like a lawyer defending the guilty, they have stepped up to host this rolling dumpster fire. If open carry is allowed, I wouldn't blame Cleveland for telling the Republicans that they can't host the convention, they have to wash their hair that night. Indy loves the NRA, and (because, Pence) would completely be stupid enough to host.
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How can the candidates stand silent while the Government (in the form of the Secret Service) takes away the people's fundamental right to bear arms anywhere they choose?
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First of all, the Government has not taken away your right to bear arms. Far from it. The Government, which includes Republicans, has acceded to the NRA for years. Secondly, try reading the Second Amendment carefully. Note the words "well-regulated militia".
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Ray, I'm pretty sure you missed the irony.
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I was interpreting SVIW's comment to be sarcastic. At least I hope it was!
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The over-reaching Federal government violates the Constitution again? Stand your ground, Republicans! Remember your Malheur! The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed!
You should probably bring extra ammo, it looks like a contested convention. And in case the gun grabbers get yours, bring a bat or ax handle as well. And maybe a concealed ball peen hammer, too. I hope the convention is broadcast "live," as long as that adjective applies. I plan to lay in some beer and pretzels. Watch out for Mitch McConnell, he may be a secret liberal!
You should probably bring extra ammo, it looks like a contested convention. And in case the gun grabbers get yours, bring a bat or ax handle as well. And maybe a concealed ball peen hammer, too. I hope the convention is broadcast "live," as long as that adjective applies. I plan to lay in some beer and pretzels. Watch out for Mitch McConnell, he may be a secret liberal!
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Right on. Way too many people, including what's his name running for the Republican nomination, have watched way too many T.V. shows and movies wherein the hero / villain is able to shoot the gun out of someone else's hand at 100 feet while flying through the air. Hah! Had there been 40 people blazing away with guns in the Paris theater the body count would have been considerably higher and the odds of the terrorists getting away not that much lower.
Even if the NRA gave a gun to every man, woman and, child, who can afford the range fees and ammunition?
Even if the NRA gave a gun to every man, woman and, child, who can afford the range fees and ammunition?
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There, you touch upon a paradox that has long perplexed me: for seven years. to be precise. It's this: if the country is so bad off under Obama, how is it that the same people who think it is have thousands of dollars to spend on weapons and hundreds on ammunition?
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Now that abortion is declining or becoming less visible with "morning after" pharmaceutical options - the right wing needs a new "weapon" to keep the base in line.
What could be better than a gun - to distract from real problems such as income inequality, real affordable healthcare, affordable higher education, the national debt, decent jobs, etc?
A gun, in theory, can protect one from anything - except the usual Republican shenanigans.
What could be better than a gun - to distract from real problems such as income inequality, real affordable healthcare, affordable higher education, the national debt, decent jobs, etc?
A gun, in theory, can protect one from anything - except the usual Republican shenanigans.
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The original purpose of the Second Amendment was to protect the institution of slavery by making sure the slave patrols were well armed during peacetime and, if the need arose, state militias could quickly merge into the Confederate Army. It's no accident that the Confederate battle flag is the de facto symbol of the National Rifle Association.
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We're probably on the same side of this and many other issues, but I'm always troubled when someone plays fast & loose with facts, even when I likely agree with them about the bottom line.
The Second Amendment was adopted in 1791. The Confederacy and its Army were formed in 1861. There may be some tenuous relationship between them if you really, really stretch, but the "purpose" of the Second Amendment had nothing to do with state militias merging into the Confederate Army.
The Second Amendment was adopted in 1791. The Confederacy and its Army were formed in 1861. There may be some tenuous relationship between them if you really, really stretch, but the "purpose" of the Second Amendment had nothing to do with state militias merging into the Confederate Army.
What? No open carry at the GOP convention? Too bad...
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They're risking their own lives by going where they can't "protect" themselves.
Handling or shooting guns exposes the shooter to lead. Exposure to lead decreases brain function (IQ). Low IQ makes one love having/shooting guns. Repeat.
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Watch some ammo company come out with "vitamin fortified" bullets.
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Can you imagine a Republican convention where guns were allowed? No reasonable people would show up, and no candidates would risk it. The police would refuse to put themselves at such a great risk and so only the most crazy of the crazies would be there, and if they did not end up killing each other they would nominate some absurd candidate (which they are likely to do anyway) and game over.
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Gail, you might have mentioned that the recent hijacking of a plane to Cyprus never would have happened if passengers had been allowed to carry pistols on board!
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David:
Comment of the month!
That we could REDUCE the likelihood of hijackings or attacks on airlines by allowing guns on board - priceless!
How about shoot-outs at 30,000 feet, with bullets hopefully landing in people rather than piercing the skin of the airplane's walls? President Harrison Ford could snarl "Get off of my plane" and punch and shoot the "bad guys" and America is great again! Hey, if two hijackers get on the same flight, then they can shoot it out for who gets to take the plane where, and for what reason. That seems fair.
Churches, elementary schools, colleges, bars, sports arenas, state and national parks, businesses (but not the Republican convention!), and now airplanes? Wow. Greyhound will really endorse your idea . . . until Republicans pass rules to allow guns on buses!
Comment of the month!
That we could REDUCE the likelihood of hijackings or attacks on airlines by allowing guns on board - priceless!
How about shoot-outs at 30,000 feet, with bullets hopefully landing in people rather than piercing the skin of the airplane's walls? President Harrison Ford could snarl "Get off of my plane" and punch and shoot the "bad guys" and America is great again! Hey, if two hijackers get on the same flight, then they can shoot it out for who gets to take the plane where, and for what reason. That seems fair.
Churches, elementary schools, colleges, bars, sports arenas, state and national parks, businesses (but not the Republican convention!), and now airplanes? Wow. Greyhound will really endorse your idea . . . until Republicans pass rules to allow guns on buses!
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Sure. Some gun nut would consider shooting at explosives/ suicide belt, there would be an explosion, and the plane with the perp incapacitated would continue to fly to its destination and land safely.
Sure, David!
Sure, David!
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The Secret Service denied the petition's request to allow guns at the GOP convention claiming that this would make the presidential candidates sitting ducks and would leave them vulnerable to an attack.
I suggest that the Secret Service adopt the advice of the GOP candidates themselves and allow guns during the convention while giving each candidate a gun of his choice. If someone really wants to harm a candidate, the argument goes, the candidate is safer by allowing the shooter, the candidate, and everyone else to have guns than to ban guns entirely.
Good luck with that!
I suggest that the Secret Service adopt the advice of the GOP candidates themselves and allow guns during the convention while giving each candidate a gun of his choice. If someone really wants to harm a candidate, the argument goes, the candidate is safer by allowing the shooter, the candidate, and everyone else to have guns than to ban guns entirely.
Good luck with that!
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Apparently the GOP is finding it difficult to field corporate sponsors for their convention because of the tone (or lack of it) of the candidates running, especially Drumpf. This would be a marvelous moment for the NRA to step in and sponsor the whole shebang-they own the Republican Party anyway-time to make it official.
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I'd really, really like to see the NRA push the GOP candidates to disavow the Secret Service's ban on weapons at the convention. Journalists would show up with flack jackets lest Trump's violent masses decide they weren't treating their candidate fairly.
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After the massacre in Paris, The Donald has famously said, "“You know what? If I’m in that room and let’s say we have two or five or 40 people with guns, we’re going to do a lot better because there’s going to be a shootout."
This reminded me of a guy who was worried that there might be a bomb on the flight he would be taking. He decided to carry a bomb himself under the logic that the odds of a flight having two people carrying bombs was infinitesimally smaller than that of one person carrying one bomb.
Welcome to the world of The Donald and the Second Amendment aficionados.
Notwithstanding this upside down logic, they are smart enough to recognize that they do not want guns at places where there is a public debate, such as at the Republican National Convention. Unfortunately the secret service took a public stand of not allowing guns at this convention and provided cover for these chicken-hawk politicians. I'd have loved to hear Ted I-eat-my-bacon-smoked-on-a-barrel Cruz wax eloquent about how safe he feels with a thousand people carrying guns at the convention. This ought to show the world the double standards applied by these chicken-hawks. They are for guns all over the place, anywhere and anytime, but not where they may be endangered.
Wake up America! Smell the coffee! Vote these bums out! That power is in our hands.
This reminded me of a guy who was worried that there might be a bomb on the flight he would be taking. He decided to carry a bomb himself under the logic that the odds of a flight having two people carrying bombs was infinitesimally smaller than that of one person carrying one bomb.
Welcome to the world of The Donald and the Second Amendment aficionados.
Notwithstanding this upside down logic, they are smart enough to recognize that they do not want guns at places where there is a public debate, such as at the Republican National Convention. Unfortunately the secret service took a public stand of not allowing guns at this convention and provided cover for these chicken-hawk politicians. I'd have loved to hear Ted I-eat-my-bacon-smoked-on-a-barrel Cruz wax eloquent about how safe he feels with a thousand people carrying guns at the convention. This ought to show the world the double standards applied by these chicken-hawks. They are for guns all over the place, anywhere and anytime, but not where they may be endangered.
Wake up America! Smell the coffee! Vote these bums out! That power is in our hands.
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The courage of their convictions?
No, cowards who hide when the reality becomes too real.
No, cowards who hide when the reality becomes too real.
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Too, many jokes can be made from this column such as:
As per Trump, "he brags that his sons are crack hunters,". Amazing how the top 1% tries to emulate the bottom 1%. However, they never wind up in jail?
I have a sad, but true story. When I lived and worked in Florida, (early 80's) a tennis buddy was a police officer. Didn't see him for a year or so, he bought a house in another area. Then I bumped into him at some tennis club. He was off from work, and I noticed that his affect was bland, maybe dour. I asked.
He had been called to a domestic disturbance and explained it was one of the worst and dangerous experiences for a police officer. The male was screaming wildly, in a back bedroom. The house was poorly lit. So he decided he would use a shot gun. He went to that bedroom and the gun accidentally discharged. He didn't hit anyone, but the incident scared the...out of him. He was on medication and taking some time off.
Never saw him after that. Life happens, I was recruited by another company. Before that meeting, I imagine like most boys, I never thought about guns in a mature way. They were cool.
As per Trump, "he brags that his sons are crack hunters,". Amazing how the top 1% tries to emulate the bottom 1%. However, they never wind up in jail?
I have a sad, but true story. When I lived and worked in Florida, (early 80's) a tennis buddy was a police officer. Didn't see him for a year or so, he bought a house in another area. Then I bumped into him at some tennis club. He was off from work, and I noticed that his affect was bland, maybe dour. I asked.
He had been called to a domestic disturbance and explained it was one of the worst and dangerous experiences for a police officer. The male was screaming wildly, in a back bedroom. The house was poorly lit. So he decided he would use a shot gun. He went to that bedroom and the gun accidentally discharged. He didn't hit anyone, but the incident scared the...out of him. He was on medication and taking some time off.
Never saw him after that. Life happens, I was recruited by another company. Before that meeting, I imagine like most boys, I never thought about guns in a mature way. They were cool.
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When they allow private citizens to carry guns into the Supreme Court, halls of Congress, and the Republican Convention, then I'll consider whether they should be allowed in my neighborhood, coffee shop, and school. Until then, pipe down NRA. Oh, and since the new trend is having to show a birth certificate in order to exercise the Constitutional right to vote, how about requiring a birth certificate to exercise the right to buy a gun? Hypocrisy indeed.
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Then you support Louie Gohmert's legislation calling for just that? Welcome aboard.
The NRA headquarters in Washington may be a gun free zone, or at least having a gun check procedure in place.
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These days, in some places in America, you have to carry a birth certificate in order to pee.
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I support and open carry and an open bar at the Republican convention.
What could possibly go wrong?
What could possibly go wrong?
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A simple plurality won’t result in contention.
Just give Donald Trump undivided attention,
For in Cleveland, one tweet
Hints of hordes packin’ heat,
So forget all that talk of a ‘brokered convention’.
Just give Donald Trump undivided attention,
For in Cleveland, one tweet
Hints of hordes packin’ heat,
So forget all that talk of a ‘brokered convention’.
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It's too bad that the Secret Service put the kibosh on guns at the Republican convention. It could have been an opportunity for putting Darwin's theory of evolution to work and perhaps even handing out some 2016 Darwin Awards.
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Four days ago, a Los Angeles Times story began, "Syrian militias armed by different parts of the U.S. war machine have begun to fight each other ...."
I can't think of a better test for the "good guy with a gun" theory.
As for the Republicans meeting in Cleveland, if I were they I would be quaking in my boots. For some, this might be the first time in months if not years in which they are restrained from dragging their security blankets through their Charlie Brown Lives.
In Maine, some of us buy groceries unarmed. Yesterday, I was about to bag some game that looked like an end-cut strip steak when a poacher swooped in, and I didn't shoot him. For those of you right now who have a loaded Glock next to the mouse you're using to navigate this story, let me repeat that: I didn't shoot him. And be careful.
As for Cleveland, is there a miscreant on the planet, frustrated by the surfeit of good guys with guns in maternity wards and NASA space shuttles, where a bad guy with a gun would be chopped down in seconds, who doesn't salivate at the prospect of catching Western legends like Louie Gohmert in Miss Kitty's cat house bathtub with his six-gun holster hung on a hook over the door?
That's why the petition, at which so many laughed, was no joke: Some psychologists have opined that removing the weaponry from this obsessively armed populace will produce withdrawal symptoms that makes meth look like a day at Bible Camp.
Trump promised riots. But riots without guns? Why bother?
I can't think of a better test for the "good guy with a gun" theory.
As for the Republicans meeting in Cleveland, if I were they I would be quaking in my boots. For some, this might be the first time in months if not years in which they are restrained from dragging their security blankets through their Charlie Brown Lives.
In Maine, some of us buy groceries unarmed. Yesterday, I was about to bag some game that looked like an end-cut strip steak when a poacher swooped in, and I didn't shoot him. For those of you right now who have a loaded Glock next to the mouse you're using to navigate this story, let me repeat that: I didn't shoot him. And be careful.
As for Cleveland, is there a miscreant on the planet, frustrated by the surfeit of good guys with guns in maternity wards and NASA space shuttles, where a bad guy with a gun would be chopped down in seconds, who doesn't salivate at the prospect of catching Western legends like Louie Gohmert in Miss Kitty's cat house bathtub with his six-gun holster hung on a hook over the door?
That's why the petition, at which so many laughed, was no joke: Some psychologists have opined that removing the weaponry from this obsessively armed populace will produce withdrawal symptoms that makes meth look like a day at Bible Camp.
Trump promised riots. But riots without guns? Why bother?
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Ms. Collins, this passage in history may be remembered as 'The American Spring'. In the working-class village not far from the City where I plan to live, there is an old store selling weapons and ammo. Perhaps this is used for fishing, lox, stock and barrel. An old-timer and staunch Republican told me he keeps his rifle beside him and that the President wants to take one of his liberties away from him. Silence. 'We could have venison or rabbit pie', I piped up cheerily 'or go wild grouse hunting'.
It is a sorrow to see any man self-destruct. America does not have to go along with this. Our Country reminds me of a patient lying on the ground with a broken back-bone. I feel sorry for Trump because he has no common sense. Earlier I wondered if the Public is seeing the beginnings of dementia; the vacuous expression, the babble.
Is it too much to ask for the next Leader? We do not deserve this Crock nor the 'religious' Crocodile. More important, will the People of America unite? We are not out in the wilderness yet, but we may soon be heading West.
Thank you, Ms. Collins, for keeping some of us on the straight and narrow.
It is a sorrow to see any man self-destruct. America does not have to go along with this. Our Country reminds me of a patient lying on the ground with a broken back-bone. I feel sorry for Trump because he has no common sense. Earlier I wondered if the Public is seeing the beginnings of dementia; the vacuous expression, the babble.
Is it too much to ask for the next Leader? We do not deserve this Crock nor the 'religious' Crocodile. More important, will the People of America unite? We are not out in the wilderness yet, but we may soon be heading West.
Thank you, Ms. Collins, for keeping some of us on the straight and narrow.
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I see absolutely no problem with allowing guns on the floor of the GOP convention where Trump followers - known for their restraint - will be going toe to toe with the motley Cruz Evangelicals and all the rest of the likely and unlikely players on that stage.
After all - remember - guns don't kill people.
After all - remember - guns don't kill people.
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Funny thing is if you take the satire out of your comment it actually is just a truthful statement.
I live in Oakland, CA. We have a diminished police force, high crime and very liberal ("progressive" whatever that means) policies surrounding the DA's office prosecuting any crime that isn't white collar and even then if you have friends in high places you will probably get off AND THE SKY HASN'T FALLEN, yet.
People for the most part don't rob the next guy day after day on the BART train or on the street or in someone's home. Oakland is proof that society IS NOT hellbent on killing eachother for economic gain or whatever if nobody is watching. It does happen but not has much as you would think if there are no police around. The OPD is the greatest police force on earth, almost all of the time and Oaklanders are the greatest citizens of any city on Earth, most of the time.
So to your point. People pull the trigger out of fear. Do you really think that a Trump supporter would shoot a protestor inside a Trump rally? Most of the Trump supporters ARE NOT from Oakland and I'm pretty sure they live in nicer less criminals areas so they probably have enough restraint to not shoot some jerk protestor. But it would be a fun experiment.
I live in Oakland, CA. We have a diminished police force, high crime and very liberal ("progressive" whatever that means) policies surrounding the DA's office prosecuting any crime that isn't white collar and even then if you have friends in high places you will probably get off AND THE SKY HASN'T FALLEN, yet.
People for the most part don't rob the next guy day after day on the BART train or on the street or in someone's home. Oakland is proof that society IS NOT hellbent on killing eachother for economic gain or whatever if nobody is watching. It does happen but not has much as you would think if there are no police around. The OPD is the greatest police force on earth, almost all of the time and Oaklanders are the greatest citizens of any city on Earth, most of the time.
So to your point. People pull the trigger out of fear. Do you really think that a Trump supporter would shoot a protestor inside a Trump rally? Most of the Trump supporters ARE NOT from Oakland and I'm pretty sure they live in nicer less criminals areas so they probably have enough restraint to not shoot some jerk protestor. But it would be a fun experiment.
"The National Rifle Association is beginning to run out of places to demand that people be allowed to bring their pistols ..."
Everyone has missed mentioning the US Capitol building and every area next to a home owned and lived in by a member of congress, member of the supreme court and of every NRA exec and member. An open-carry congress is just what this country needs to maintain law and order GOP style.
Along with gun shops, there is a need to zone all of these places for the building of liquor stores and houses of prostitution. The only caution for the last one is that I hate to put those girls in danger of being anywhere close to a member of congress what with them being so proudly crazy and all.
Everyone has missed mentioning the US Capitol building and every area next to a home owned and lived in by a member of congress, member of the supreme court and of every NRA exec and member. An open-carry congress is just what this country needs to maintain law and order GOP style.
Along with gun shops, there is a need to zone all of these places for the building of liquor stores and houses of prostitution. The only caution for the last one is that I hate to put those girls in danger of being anywhere close to a member of congress what with them being so proudly crazy and all.
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Trump has already proven that he will say anything. Why not say he wants guns everywhere, if that is what it will take to get the nomination? It worked for Wayne LaPierre. He defends having guns everywhere and he has managed to keep, and strengthen, his position with the NRA. What used to be a fringe position on the Right is now mainstream on the Right. How scary is that? The thought of Trump being mainstream on the Right.
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GOP GUN GAUNTLET- GGG- close enough but far enough from KKK?
They claim it's their 2nd amendment right to carry their guns into the convention.
I personally think the threat of stupidity trumps (not the donald type) the right to carry at such a forum.
HOWEVER, the other side of me says, if they want to all go into the GOP arena and eliminate themselves in a giant go shootout- who am I to argue against that- why would we want to stop them. The GOP as a party is going down in flames- let them bring guns to their convention, then they can not only go down in flames but in a hail of their own bullets.
Just another perfect example of Einstein's brilliant prescient mind-
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
They claim it's their 2nd amendment right to carry their guns into the convention.
I personally think the threat of stupidity trumps (not the donald type) the right to carry at such a forum.
HOWEVER, the other side of me says, if they want to all go into the GOP arena and eliminate themselves in a giant go shootout- who am I to argue against that- why would we want to stop them. The GOP as a party is going down in flames- let them bring guns to their convention, then they can not only go down in flames but in a hail of their own bullets.
Just another perfect example of Einstein's brilliant prescient mind-
“Two things are infinite: the universe and human stupidity; and I'm not sure about the universe.”
― Albert Einstein
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I can think of another place (actually, multiple places that practice absolute gun control--the terminals of commercial airlines and commercial planes themselves. There hasn't been someone shot on US soil or in a US plane (with a flight originating in the US) since 1967. ZERO gun deaths in nearly 50 years.
Perhaps we should lift that restriction in Red states and see what happens.
Perhaps we should lift that restriction in Red states and see what happens.
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The Republican politicians are chicken hawks. They are all too eager to get the country into war, but not too eager to volunteer to serve in the US armed forces (see Cheney, W. Bush).
Apparently, same is true when it comes to guns. Most of the GOP candidates deferred to The Secret Service about the petition to allow people to carry their pistols to the Cleveland convention.
Support for Second Amendment stops when their personal safety is involved. So, "no" to guns at the Cleveland convention or in the Capitol Hill building. But it is ok for people to have guns in schools, colleges and so on. What a bunch of hypocrites!
Apparently, same is true when it comes to guns. Most of the GOP candidates deferred to The Secret Service about the petition to allow people to carry their pistols to the Cleveland convention.
Support for Second Amendment stops when their personal safety is involved. So, "no" to guns at the Cleveland convention or in the Capitol Hill building. But it is ok for people to have guns in schools, colleges and so on. What a bunch of hypocrites!
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I, for one, encourage all Republicans attending a contested convention in Cleveland to show up heavily armed. They will be doing the country a favor.
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Members of my family living in Cleveland's suburbs favor the U.S. Secret Service's prudent policy of preventing armed delegates to share space at the Republican National Convention in July. The hypocrisy of Republican candidates and the cowardice of Democrats in the face of Second Amendment extremism doesn't need much comment these days. We'll have about 30,000 gun deaths in the U.S.A. this year, and we'll continue to offer condolences to the bereaved without enacting any commonsense background check or gun safety protections. We have met the problem: our unwillingness to take on well-funded, passionate bullies allows more of our children and neighbors to die. Until we take our founders' aspirational goals for LIFE, LIBERTY, and the pursuit of HAPPINESS seriously enough to protect ourselves and our neighbors from gun violence, we'll continue to mourn unnecessary deaths.
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Hmm... the idea of the Republicans armed to the teeth at the convention actually has some interesting selling points. If they have a big shoot'em out, it would greatly improve the political landscape of the nation.
Maybe Ted could even carpet bomb Cleveland.
Maybe Ted could even carpet bomb Cleveland.
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The Democrats in Cleveland don't deserve that.
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Machine gun bacon for breakfast? No, thank you, but I would appreciate a cup of common sense.
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The machine gun bacon of crazy Ted is so utterly ridiculous, that the Netflix series 'House of Cards' actually copied it by letting a presidential candidate do just that in from of the press.
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I realize this is a controversial stand, but please, allow the GOP convention to be a complete gun free zone. While you are at it allow RPG launchers, grenades, flamethrowers and cross bows too. Maybe something good will happen.
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"I have a gub"
Gail you are making me long for the days when candidates like Romney were secure enough to explain their hunting styles.
He told us he wasn't a big game hunter ( no explanation was needed), no he preferred the thrill of offing wodents and wabbitts...small varmits, if you will.
No one topped famous hunter John Kerry when he unveiled his GQ approved camouflage motif in 2004.
But the winner has to be VP Cheyney....he of the ....is it a bird , a plane....Bam!
Lookout!
for politicians dressed with or carrying hunting gear...
Gail you are making me long for the days when candidates like Romney were secure enough to explain their hunting styles.
He told us he wasn't a big game hunter ( no explanation was needed), no he preferred the thrill of offing wodents and wabbitts...small varmits, if you will.
No one topped famous hunter John Kerry when he unveiled his GQ approved camouflage motif in 2004.
But the winner has to be VP Cheyney....he of the ....is it a bird , a plane....Bam!
Lookout!
for politicians dressed with or carrying hunting gear...
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What is sad to me personally, is that I grew up with guns and duck hunting. From age 14 or so until I was in my early 30s, duck hunting was one of my favorite leisure activities. As a pretty fair duck caller, I loved the thrill of getting the flock to "turn" to my call and drop in among the decoys. Shooting them was the purpose supposedly but the real thrill was in the calling and decoying. I have never been a gun nut although I own several. The 12 gauge Browning semi-auto and my Remington pump to me were just tools needed to go hunting and also to be operated and maintained properly. My family elders were even gun collectors and muzzle loading enthusiasts. But I have always been in favor of reasonable gun safety legislation and if asked what , if anything, I absolutely hate, the answer would be the NRA.
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I think I'll make the coffee, and the Republican candidates will keep shooting it, but it is not 'breakfast.'
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The Best that could happen if guns are allowed is that someone will get hurt, not killed mind you but hurt by a person " trying to save everyone". As noisy as those conventions can be who knows how many random noises sounding like gun shots there will be. This may bring to light poor decision it is to give people who are all heated up guns in crowds.
The worst that could happen is on of Donald Trumps delegates gets mad if the Republicans start their suggested contested convention. There could be many people hurt AND killed.
What a ridiculous idea. Add it to the many.
The worst that could happen is on of Donald Trumps delegates gets mad if the Republicans start their suggested contested convention. There could be many people hurt AND killed.
What a ridiculous idea. Add it to the many.
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The Comedy Party demands that guns be allowed into the Republican convention on the same basis that the Republicans demand that guns be allowed among the general public, namely, near me.
We insist that guns should be allowed in those organizations that support the ridiculous idea that the Constitution gives everyone a right to carry a gun. That includes most state legislatures, the House of Representatives, the offices of the NRA and the supreme court. They should get a taste of their own medicine.
What the 2nd amendment does is guarantees the right of National Guard members to have guns when serving in active duty. That is all it guarantees.
More ideas at Comedy Party Platform on YouTube (2 min 9 sec). Thanks for watching.
We insist that guns should be allowed in those organizations that support the ridiculous idea that the Constitution gives everyone a right to carry a gun. That includes most state legislatures, the House of Representatives, the offices of the NRA and the supreme court. They should get a taste of their own medicine.
What the 2nd amendment does is guarantees the right of National Guard members to have guns when serving in active duty. That is all it guarantees.
More ideas at Comedy Party Platform on YouTube (2 min 9 sec). Thanks for watching.
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Let's go all the way!
If we are going to get rid of gun free zones, then forget about handguns. Gun manufacturers should give each delegate a free assault rifle with a 30 round clip and 100 rounds of ammunition, all gift wrapped in an American flag. That will show those protestors gathered outside! No terrorist would dare try anything! What could demonstrate freedom more then all of those sensible responsible gun owners having a good time at the convention. The delegates could walk around town with their rifles hanging from their shoulders. What fun! After all, die hard Trump and Cruze followers are the most sensible and responsible people on the planet. They would never misuse a gun, or be careless with one, or lose their temper, or target the wrong individual, or carry while drinking, or miss their target, or think someone else was going to shoot them when they reached for their keys, or didn't clear the chamber, or saw a black guy running and figured he had just committed a crime, or saw three Arabs walking with a sack and started firing at them.
It might be a good idea to park a few ambulances out front just in case they start having a bit too much fun.
If we are going to get rid of gun free zones, then forget about handguns. Gun manufacturers should give each delegate a free assault rifle with a 30 round clip and 100 rounds of ammunition, all gift wrapped in an American flag. That will show those protestors gathered outside! No terrorist would dare try anything! What could demonstrate freedom more then all of those sensible responsible gun owners having a good time at the convention. The delegates could walk around town with their rifles hanging from their shoulders. What fun! After all, die hard Trump and Cruze followers are the most sensible and responsible people on the planet. They would never misuse a gun, or be careless with one, or lose their temper, or target the wrong individual, or carry while drinking, or miss their target, or think someone else was going to shoot them when they reached for their keys, or didn't clear the chamber, or saw a black guy running and figured he had just committed a crime, or saw three Arabs walking with a sack and started firing at them.
It might be a good idea to park a few ambulances out front just in case they start having a bit too much fun.
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You aren't carrying it far enough. Those who interpret the 2A to allow anyone to carry "arms" see the logical conclusion -- in modern warfare explosive devices and suicidal use of same is THE modern method of insurrection.
So if you are going to go down this path, every modern "second amendment remedies" partisan needs a vest full of mother-of-satan and small scrap metal, an assault rifle, and a pair of semi-auto handguns for backup.
Mother-of-satan (TATP) is called that for a good reason -- it's very touchy, people playing with it blow themselves up routinely. Being hit by a bullet will do it nicely.
So with a high-enough density of these things in the arena, when things go bad it's a chain reaction.
All of those "guns make for a polite society" should think about how polite that would make the Republican convention.
Or dead.
So if you are going to go down this path, every modern "second amendment remedies" partisan needs a vest full of mother-of-satan and small scrap metal, an assault rifle, and a pair of semi-auto handguns for backup.
Mother-of-satan (TATP) is called that for a good reason -- it's very touchy, people playing with it blow themselves up routinely. Being hit by a bullet will do it nicely.
So with a high-enough density of these things in the arena, when things go bad it's a chain reaction.
All of those "guns make for a polite society" should think about how polite that would make the Republican convention.
Or dead.
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I doubt Trump has discharged a gun since he was in military school after his parents sent him away when he hit one of his teachers.
Nothing much has changed except now the man has other people do his physical bullying, while he stands by and watches.
It must be those old bone spurs acting up again.
Nothing much has changed except now the man has other people do his physical bullying, while he stands by and watches.
It must be those old bone spurs acting up again.
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Oh, I don't know, Kevin. Trump seems perfectly competent to do his own bullying, and he's effective at it even without the threat of guns. After all, YOU'RE FIRED!
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I always thought the quote from Trump that " "I always carry a weapon on me." was the most unusual. Evidently he won't be carrying one in the convention without a waiver. As to the convention itself, the petition should be approved and free ammo should be available to every convention attendee. Thinning the herd is an apt phrase.
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I suppose he could carry a knife.
"Nobody wants to think about armed convention delegates."
Oh, I don't know. I find the idea of putting all of those gun happy GOP delegates in a round, concrete convention center armed to the teeth then, say, setting off a few fire crackers kinda entertaining. I'm not saying that it's my more civil side that's amused, but...
Oh, I don't know. I find the idea of putting all of those gun happy GOP delegates in a round, concrete convention center armed to the teeth then, say, setting off a few fire crackers kinda entertaining. I'm not saying that it's my more civil side that's amused, but...
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I am laughing so hard my face hurts ...
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This has been one of my silent fantasies I whisper nightly during Rachel to my 101 year old uncle: a contested GOP national convention with open carry throughout the arena! Yes! The secret service cannot stop the onslaught of the exercise of the 2nd amendment, so vigorously defended in the 40,000 gun deaths a year; with the threat of terror (domestic and international!), with the new carry bills that permit guns on college campuses and classrooms, in churches and bars, and at your favorite coffee shop, these rights should not be eroded by the very politicians who endorse them--nor should they be discriminated against because of risks we all share and face. Given Cleveland's policing patterns, esp. with use of force, it shouldn't be a problem. Let the GOP protect democracy! Guns and live ammo in the hall at a potentially brokered convention! Shades of Chicago 68 with live rounds!
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Don't forget the open bar. There has to be an open bar too.
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The Second Amendment is in the service of a "well-regulated militia". "Militia" is defined in Article I, Section 8 as a disciplined group under government control (text below). Somehow I don't see these guns everywhere folks as under government control. Powers of the legislature:
"To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"
"To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;"
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Yeah, but there's that grammatical device called the "Flashy Thingy Comma" in the middle of the amendment, which magically cancels out everything that came before it. Too bad Justice Originalist never got around to explaining how the Founders invented it.
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These gun people seem to be holding the whole craven Congress at gunpoint nonetheless.
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It was not even a contested view until the NRA decided to become the mouthpiece for weapons dealers in the 1970s, and then try to convince the public that the first part of the Second Amendment does not exist.
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This example brings to the fore a major concern for me. This hypocrisy admits my basic concern.
I am a supporter of gun rights as a general matter.
However, I believe there is a time and place, and that is not always and everywhere. I don't want to see an angry person in the local grocery store, yelling at spouse and kid while doing open carry. I HAVE seen that, and I really didn't like it at all.
Gun rights are serious. That is because guns are serious. It calls for serious people to demonstrate good judgment, and serious lawmakers to make that most likely.
A hunting rifle or shotgun in the field on a hunt? Fine. A handgun open carry in the local grocery on an angry person emoting loudly? Not fine.
Between those two, there is a line. We must find it, legislate it, and give police enforcement power.
We can drink. We can't drive while drinking or while drunk. Time and place.
It isn't that we can't work this out. It is that we don't even try. "Yes!" screams at "No!" Extremists dominate all attempts at discussion.
Awhile back Mr. Blow wrote that he and his gun-loving brother could probably work out a sensible middle ground on guns. That is what we don't do, what the extremists on both sides are set above all on preventing.
The middle is where politics is done. There is a need for extremists to make an issue that requires resolution, I don't say they are wrong to care. If it is left just to them, they won't get anything done. That is the part in which we are failing.
I am a supporter of gun rights as a general matter.
However, I believe there is a time and place, and that is not always and everywhere. I don't want to see an angry person in the local grocery store, yelling at spouse and kid while doing open carry. I HAVE seen that, and I really didn't like it at all.
Gun rights are serious. That is because guns are serious. It calls for serious people to demonstrate good judgment, and serious lawmakers to make that most likely.
A hunting rifle or shotgun in the field on a hunt? Fine. A handgun open carry in the local grocery on an angry person emoting loudly? Not fine.
Between those two, there is a line. We must find it, legislate it, and give police enforcement power.
We can drink. We can't drive while drinking or while drunk. Time and place.
It isn't that we can't work this out. It is that we don't even try. "Yes!" screams at "No!" Extremists dominate all attempts at discussion.
Awhile back Mr. Blow wrote that he and his gun-loving brother could probably work out a sensible middle ground on guns. That is what we don't do, what the extremists on both sides are set above all on preventing.
The middle is where politics is done. There is a need for extremists to make an issue that requires resolution, I don't say they are wrong to care. If it is left just to them, they won't get anything done. That is the part in which we are failing.
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Most pro-regulation citizens are far less extreme in their views than are anti-regulation citizens.
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Nobody who talks insurrection is well regulated enough to be trusted with guns.
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Wow!!! The voice of reason!!! I sometimes believe that in this particular debate it doesn't exist. Thank you!
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The person most likely, statistically, to die from a gun you own is you. There are more suicides from firearms than homicides or traffic fatalities for that matter.
The open-carry campaign might just be the tipping point that turns the momentum back toward reasonable gun control, not with the support of assault weapons enthusiasts of course but with parents who don't want to send their children to public colleges in TX that have to live with an open carry mandate from the TX Legislature, while they still have to support those schools with their tax dollars.
The open-carry campaign might just be the tipping point that turns the momentum back toward reasonable gun control, not with the support of assault weapons enthusiasts of course but with parents who don't want to send their children to public colleges in TX that have to live with an open carry mandate from the TX Legislature, while they still have to support those schools with their tax dollars.
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Thanks, Gail - another entry in the encyclopedic set of GOP'er hypocrisies. This country got seriously off-track the day politicians started setting themselves apart from the laws that govern the rest of us; why should the GOP'er convention be ruled safer than a Sunday morning church sanctuary ?
Next thing we know, Congress will make itself exempt from insider-trading regulations governing the stock market. Oh, wait:
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/house-resists-s-e-c-s-insider-tra...
Never mind -
Next thing we know, Congress will make itself exempt from insider-trading regulations governing the stock market. Oh, wait:
http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/06/23/house-resists-s-e-c-s-insider-tra...
Never mind -
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Here is where the petition-signers go astray:
The 2d Amendment right to bear arms was designed for a Well-regulated Militia. Current readings say that, as long as civilians with guns are Well-regulated (by being properly trained), the gun-owning populace (communally) IS a Well-regulated Militia.
Let's say the above is all accurate.
There's no judge or jury in the Land, outside perhaps Alabama, that could deem the 2016 GOP Convention to be "Well-regulated"! I mean, Trump? Rubio? The unpledged North Dakota delegates? Karl Rove? The Fiorina delegate? Rules fights? An open contest for the VP slot?
No one can regulate THAT zoo, and certainly not Convention Chair Paul Ryan. He no longer knows who's a maker and who's a taker: How can he adjudicate whether Cruz hit Trump first?
And this year, The Whole World Is Watching!
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Here is where the petition-signers go astray:
The 2d Amendment right to bear arms was designed for a Well-regulated Militia. Current readings say that, as long as civilians with guns are Well-regulated (by being properly trained), the gun-owning populace (communally) IS a Well-regulated Militia.
Let's say the above is all accurate.
There's no judge or jury in the Land, outside perhaps Alabama, that could deem the 2016 GOP Convention to be "Well-regulated"! I mean, Trump? Rubio? The unpledged North Dakota delegates? Karl Rove? The Fiorina delegate? Rules fights? An open contest for the VP slot?
No one can regulate THAT zoo, and certainly not Convention Chair Paul Ryan. He no longer knows who's a maker and who's a taker: How can he adjudicate whether Cruz hit Trump first?
And this year, The Whole World Is Watching!
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As a signatory of the aforementioned petition, I don't believe I went astray. If the Republicans want to enforce their insanity on everyone else, they need to be subject to it themselves. Every single one of them have gone on about how a gun free zone is an invitation to a mass murderer or terrorist or deranged person with a gun. The best way to illustrate how ludicrous this rhetoric is is to highlight their hypocrisy on the issue. It seems the Supreme Court should also be happy to have fully armed citizens visit their sessions. And can anyone tell me if all people can carry guns when they visit NRA headquarters?
As for "well-regulated militia," Scalia and all his originalist pals seem to think that was just filler in the Constitution.
As for "well-regulated militia," Scalia and all his originalist pals seem to think that was just filler in the Constitution.
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What are these "Current readings"? Scalia's friends?
Heller v. DC ignored 8 previous SCOTUS decisions. As the very conservative Chief Justice Warren Burger once said, "Anyone who claims the Second Amendment confers the right to own a gun upon an unfettered individual is committing a fraud on the American people."
Heller v. DC ignored 8 previous SCOTUS decisions. As the very conservative Chief Justice Warren Burger once said, "Anyone who claims the Second Amendment confers the right to own a gun upon an unfettered individual is committing a fraud on the American people."
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Don't you "get it" -- that site was set up to attract the knuckledraggers to sign it and expose just how stupid/crazy they are when it comes to guns. Somewhere the guy who designed the site is laughing because it did precisely what it was designed to do -- smoke out the loonies and expose the GOP hypocrisy.
A sane person who knows the wording and intent of the Second Amendment (before Scalia and his minions on the SC decided to re-interpret the amendment to benefit their benefactors -- the NRA and the gun manufacturers) put that petition up.
A sane person who knows the wording and intent of the Second Amendment (before Scalia and his minions on the SC decided to re-interpret the amendment to benefit their benefactors -- the NRA and the gun manufacturers) put that petition up.
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Gail, your column begins with a false premise: "the Republican National Convention." Ah, no. This will be the NRA's National Convention and the delegates will be nominating Wayne LaPierre for the presidency. His running mate will be the Second Amendment. Donald Trump doesn't have a chance.
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Wayne LaPierre doesn't need to run for president. He is already the boss. When it comes to controlling guns and their use, being president would be a step down for him.
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In the 1850s, many Congressmen and Senators carried weapons onto the floor of the legislative chambers. The controversy over slavery had reached the boiling point, and the atmosphere in Washington was extremely tense. In one notorious incident, Congressman Preston Brooks of South Carolina, resentful of a verbal attack on his relative, Senator Butler, brutally attacked the author of the offending speech, Senator Charles Sumner.
Brooks used a cane rather than a gun, but he injured Sumner so badly that the senator from Massachusetts required three years to recuperate. While we do not confront a level of political tension even remotely comparable to what our ancestors faced in the antebellum period, only someone oblivious to the human potential for violence would favor arming people participating in an event as contentious as a party nominating convention.
Some day common sense will re-assert itself with respect to our gun culture. Until then, agencies such as the Secret Service will have to protect us from our own folly.
Brooks used a cane rather than a gun, but he injured Sumner so badly that the senator from Massachusetts required three years to recuperate. While we do not confront a level of political tension even remotely comparable to what our ancestors faced in the antebellum period, only someone oblivious to the human potential for violence would favor arming people participating in an event as contentious as a party nominating convention.
Some day common sense will re-assert itself with respect to our gun culture. Until then, agencies such as the Secret Service will have to protect us from our own folly.
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Dear Gail, my only beef with this spot on column is that you did not also discuss the recent partnership between the NRA Family website and author Amelia Hamilton to rewrite classic fairy tales in order to make sure that they too would not be "gun free zones." "Hansel and Gretel" and "Little Red Riding Hood" are now packing heat and "The Three Little Pigs" soon will be too. Stories like "Cinderella" will presumably be somewhat abbreviated when the eponymous heroine "blows away" her cruel stepsisters and wicked stepmother the first time they ask her to clean the hearth. Rumplestiltskin had better watch his back too.
Really, has there ever been a more idyllic time to be a child (or and adult) than under the rule of the current NRA?
Really, has there ever been a more idyllic time to be a child (or and adult) than under the rule of the current NRA?
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Gail notes, " In the real world very few people — including police officers — are skilled enough to aim accurately during a scary emergency." Let's check on some 'scary emergencies' to test her hypothesis!
A scary emergency came along 35 years ago: Ronald Reagan was shot by John Hinckley in the presence of Secret Service, DC police, and others. Each armed man was close to the shooter.
A few years ago, a Congresswoman was shot in Arizona. She had the usual Congresswoman security. Plus, Arizonans all have guns. The shooter was in range of the trained bodyguards.
Recently, a man on a French train pulled out a loaded weapon.
Did any of these criminals succumb to gunfire at close range? No, because trained officers took each shooter down, alive, in the best way: by coordinated human force. Each shooter was neutralized, alive.
But when a man opened fire outside the Empire State Building, NYPD shot at him in the morning light.
More rounds hit pedestrians than the shooter.
Gail really knows how to stop a bad guy with a gun: Push him down! That's what the pros do.
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Gail notes, " In the real world very few people — including police officers — are skilled enough to aim accurately during a scary emergency." Let's check on some 'scary emergencies' to test her hypothesis!
A scary emergency came along 35 years ago: Ronald Reagan was shot by John Hinckley in the presence of Secret Service, DC police, and others. Each armed man was close to the shooter.
A few years ago, a Congresswoman was shot in Arizona. She had the usual Congresswoman security. Plus, Arizonans all have guns. The shooter was in range of the trained bodyguards.
Recently, a man on a French train pulled out a loaded weapon.
Did any of these criminals succumb to gunfire at close range? No, because trained officers took each shooter down, alive, in the best way: by coordinated human force. Each shooter was neutralized, alive.
But when a man opened fire outside the Empire State Building, NYPD shot at him in the morning light.
More rounds hit pedestrians than the shooter.
Gail really knows how to stop a bad guy with a gun: Push him down! That's what the pros do.
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"A few years ago, a Congresswoman was shot in Arizona. She had the usual Congresswoman security. Plus, Arizonans all have guns. The shooter was in range of the trained bodyguards."
If you are talking about Gabby Gifford, you are way off base. "Loughner stopped to reload, but dropped the loaded magazine from his pocket to the sidewalk, from where bystander Patricia Maisch grabbed it. Another bystander clubbed the back of the assailant's head with a folding chair, injuring his elbow in the process, representing the fourteenth injury. Loughner was tackled to the ground by Bill Badger, a 74-year-old retired United States Army Colonel" who had been shot himself. Loughner was further subdued by Maisch and bystanders Roger Sulzgeber and Joseph Zamudio. Zamudio, a concealed weapon (CCW) permit holder, had a weapon on his person, but arrived after the shooting had stopped and did not draw his firearm."
Zamudio later said that if he had shot anyone it would have been Badger who was holding the gun when he arrived. There was no armed security.
This lie is typical of gun nuts.
If you are talking about Gabby Gifford, you are way off base. "Loughner stopped to reload, but dropped the loaded magazine from his pocket to the sidewalk, from where bystander Patricia Maisch grabbed it. Another bystander clubbed the back of the assailant's head with a folding chair, injuring his elbow in the process, representing the fourteenth injury. Loughner was tackled to the ground by Bill Badger, a 74-year-old retired United States Army Colonel" who had been shot himself. Loughner was further subdued by Maisch and bystanders Roger Sulzgeber and Joseph Zamudio. Zamudio, a concealed weapon (CCW) permit holder, had a weapon on his person, but arrived after the shooting had stopped and did not draw his firearm."
Zamudio later said that if he had shot anyone it would have been Badger who was holding the gun when he arrived. There was no armed security.
This lie is typical of gun nuts.
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Further, when Gabby Giffords was shot one of the people who wrestled the shooter to the ground was holding the gun away from the assailant. That man was almost shot by a "good guy with a gun", thinking that the subduer was the shooter. If that tragedy had been added to that day's casualties you'd find a lot fewer Good Samaritans willing to put themselves at risk stopping someone on a shooting rampage. I would imagine few cool heads prevail during such chaos; arming everyone to the eyes will only compound the confusion, most likely leading to additional loss of life.
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“Year after year, the evidence is clear that states with fewer guns and strong gun laws have far lower rates of gun death,” says Violence Policy Center Legislative Director Kristen Rand.
“States with strong gun violence prevention laws consistently have the lowest gun death rates in the nation. In states with weak gun laws and easy availability of guns, the rates of death by gunfire are far higher.”
States with the Five Highest Gun Death Rates
Rank - State - Household Gun Ownership % - Gun Death Rate per 100,000
1 Alaska 56.4% 19.68
2 Louisiana 49.0% 19.27
3 Mississippi 54.3% 18.27
4 Alabama 49.5% 16.81
5 Montana 67.5% 16.8
States with the Five Lowest Gun Death Rates
Rank - State - Household Gun Ownership% - Gun Death Rate per 100,000
50 Hawaii 12.5% 2.82
49 Rhode Island 15.9% 3.22
48 Massachusetts 14.3% 3.37
47 New York 22.2% 4.43
46 Connecticut 22.2% 5.2
http://goo.gl/236XdV
Guns Over People red state voters not only vote against their economic lives by supporting Republican religion, but they also vote against their own lives and longevity by voting for the GOP culture of death.
Conservative southern states have far higher death rates than more liberal areas. Virtually every state with a higher than average death rate is solidly right wing or leans right.
These facts are based on reality, math and common sense, all of which have been permanently banned from the Republican Party.
Shorten Your Life and Vote For The GOP Death Panel in 2016:"Free-Dumb !"
“States with strong gun violence prevention laws consistently have the lowest gun death rates in the nation. In states with weak gun laws and easy availability of guns, the rates of death by gunfire are far higher.”
States with the Five Highest Gun Death Rates
Rank - State - Household Gun Ownership % - Gun Death Rate per 100,000
1 Alaska 56.4% 19.68
2 Louisiana 49.0% 19.27
3 Mississippi 54.3% 18.27
4 Alabama 49.5% 16.81
5 Montana 67.5% 16.8
States with the Five Lowest Gun Death Rates
Rank - State - Household Gun Ownership% - Gun Death Rate per 100,000
50 Hawaii 12.5% 2.82
49 Rhode Island 15.9% 3.22
48 Massachusetts 14.3% 3.37
47 New York 22.2% 4.43
46 Connecticut 22.2% 5.2
http://goo.gl/236XdV
Guns Over People red state voters not only vote against their economic lives by supporting Republican religion, but they also vote against their own lives and longevity by voting for the GOP culture of death.
Conservative southern states have far higher death rates than more liberal areas. Virtually every state with a higher than average death rate is solidly right wing or leans right.
These facts are based on reality, math and common sense, all of which have been permanently banned from the Republican Party.
Shorten Your Life and Vote For The GOP Death Panel in 2016:"Free-Dumb !"
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Thank you, Socrates, for bringing common sense to this issue.
In a way, I am disappointed that guns will not be allowed on the floor of the Republican convention.
Just imagine if there were to be a shoot-out. The resulting political reaction might be a positive force in finally moving the Republicans and Congress toward reasonable gun safety legislation.
In a way, I am disappointed that guns will not be allowed on the floor of the Republican convention.
Just imagine if there were to be a shoot-out. The resulting political reaction might be a positive force in finally moving the Republicans and Congress toward reasonable gun safety legislation.
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@Socrates - Thanks a lot for doing the research and providing us with concrete data. Cold facts, statistics, logic and reason are sorely missing in this time of flaring emotions and "truth be damned", all the name of a tribal political "religion".
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States one through five on this list -- populated by yahoo rednecks and bottom of the ditch education systems. States 46 through 50 populated by sane people who get a better education in their schools. Also states 46 through fifty have a higher income per person than states one through five.
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What can you say about this madness? When the Republican majority leader of the Senate announces that he cannot hold a hearing for a nominee to the Supreme Court because the NRA is against him, we have reached the bottom of the political pit, and there is no way to get out of it. Unfortunately, this election does not augur for any kind of improvement, unless Bernie pulls a double miracle of getting elected and get a super majority of liberal legislators also elected. And I don't see it coming.
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I think the Secret Service should be a required presence at every high school, college and university. They get results that 320 million Americans have been unable to get. They can even tutor the kids in their spare time. What do you think, Gail?
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To be fair, Ted Cruz said he was misled about that hunting trip in Iowa. He thought he was being invited to shoot peasants, not pheasants. He shot two birds just to hide his disappointment. (By the way, I don't recommend having machine-gun bacon for breakfast. I did, and now I've got to get the kitchen remodeled.)
Speaking of shooting the bird, Trump continues to run for president. He’s a modest man and an eloquent speaker who claims that he not only has a good brain, but that he has a very good brain that comes up with very, very good plans. He has the political acumen of any three men, if those men are named Curly, Larry and Moe.
He says these things with a straight face, flaunting the intelligence of a gerbil while he reveals the planks of a Trump platform. For example, he will address the rash of police shootings of unarmed citizens by ensuring that all citizens are armed. This good plan, which will make us very safe, is just one of many very, very good plans that he has for us.
He promises to spew out more such plans after he’s inaugurated, just as soon as the band stops playing Heil to the Chief.
Speaking of shooting the bird, Trump continues to run for president. He’s a modest man and an eloquent speaker who claims that he not only has a good brain, but that he has a very good brain that comes up with very, very good plans. He has the political acumen of any three men, if those men are named Curly, Larry and Moe.
He says these things with a straight face, flaunting the intelligence of a gerbil while he reveals the planks of a Trump platform. For example, he will address the rash of police shootings of unarmed citizens by ensuring that all citizens are armed. This good plan, which will make us very safe, is just one of many very, very good plans that he has for us.
He promises to spew out more such plans after he’s inaugurated, just as soon as the band stops playing Heil to the Chief.
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Thanks for the smiles while reading!
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Kudos, G.
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Gemli,
You gave the machine gun bacon a shot, and it was a mis-fire?
You gave the machine gun bacon a shot, and it was a mis-fire?
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Might Chris Christie be Trump's defender
A gun toting Donald rear ender
And at the Convention
With loyal intention
His service to the Donald render.
A gun toting Donald rear ender
And at the Convention
With loyal intention
His service to the Donald render.
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Or maybe Alberta's Ted Cruz,
Aware he has nothing to lose,
Will risk walking by
Trump's big campaign guy
And tell Instagram of his bruise?
Or maybe Alberta's Ted Cruz,
Aware he has nothing to lose,
Will risk walking by
Trump's big campaign guy
And tell Instagram of his bruise?
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Another beaut, Larry!
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