The entire election process is a ruse and bogus. It's gonna be Clinton and Trump and Clinton will win. I had a thought at least a year ago that Clinton and Trump were in like flint and collaborating to get her in the White House. Stranger things have happened and it would not put it past her or la Donald. It has not been "Government by and for the People" for the better portion of my life, and I'm 62. Politicians (especially career types) nauseate me. The whole process has become a sickly wasteful beast. We, and our electoral process, are a joke to a great portion of the world.
I try, try, try to trust and like HRC but I do not trust her as far as the day is long. Just like most of the GOP, she is on an ego and power and money trip.
I try, try, try to trust and like HRC but I do not trust her as far as the day is long. Just like most of the GOP, she is on an ego and power and money trip.
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I'd rather hasten the collapse and transformation of the Republican party by voting for Trump than prolonging the dynasty offered by the Democratic party by voting for Clinton.
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All changes have future I agree Hillary Clinton 2016
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Hillary FOR Portugal - I can live with that ;-)
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Mr. Sanders,
I just sent you another $50.
Please do not give up - you HAVE to start contrasting not just issues but character more vigorously. The establishment politicians will not endorse you and the mainstream media will not cover you - but we can create a revolution on the internet.
You have to point the flip-flopping on Obama, Gay Rights, Trade agreements. You have to keep asking her for GS transcripts (she says one thing behind closed doors and one thing in the open), about her repeated lack of judgment on emails, wars, why she told MSNBC that we did not lose lives in Libya. Point out that she couldn't manage a catastrophe in a small nation like Haiti. How can she manage a disaster in Florida?
Remember to be careful - the media will pounce on your statements - they will cut Hillary slack - they will look through her statements about trade, coal workers will lose their jobs, the clueless answer she gave to the woman in Ohio confronted by health care costs, they will ignore her thoughtless actions on Iraq, Libya, Syria, Honduras, and Haiti.
You have a small but great set of supporters in us, Ms. Gabbard and Ms. Turner (much better women who have proven service, character, and judgment than Mrs. Clinton) Delegate more.
Now is the not the time to give up. From 30 odd points behind in every state, you have erased those margins - the more the people see you and the more the people see her, the choice is easy for them.
Good Luck
I just sent you another $50.
Please do not give up - you HAVE to start contrasting not just issues but character more vigorously. The establishment politicians will not endorse you and the mainstream media will not cover you - but we can create a revolution on the internet.
You have to point the flip-flopping on Obama, Gay Rights, Trade agreements. You have to keep asking her for GS transcripts (she says one thing behind closed doors and one thing in the open), about her repeated lack of judgment on emails, wars, why she told MSNBC that we did not lose lives in Libya. Point out that she couldn't manage a catastrophe in a small nation like Haiti. How can she manage a disaster in Florida?
Remember to be careful - the media will pounce on your statements - they will cut Hillary slack - they will look through her statements about trade, coal workers will lose their jobs, the clueless answer she gave to the woman in Ohio confronted by health care costs, they will ignore her thoughtless actions on Iraq, Libya, Syria, Honduras, and Haiti.
You have a small but great set of supporters in us, Ms. Gabbard and Ms. Turner (much better women who have proven service, character, and judgment than Mrs. Clinton) Delegate more.
Now is the not the time to give up. From 30 odd points behind in every state, you have erased those margins - the more the people see you and the more the people see her, the choice is easy for them.
Good Luck
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Dear Mr. Sanders,
Me too. I just sent you another 50 dollars.
We deeply appreciate your courage and strength, you are one of the last of the great politicians, much like the ones I remember from my youth, we are not all young, some of us are in our sixties. Our youth are understandably more cynical as they do not know what a true statesman is except they have discovered you.
I have followed you for years and will follow you to the end of this process as far as you will take it. This country needs real change to save the soul of our democracy which is slipping away by the day.
We see through the smoke and mirrors.
Who knows what the future will bring, we owe it to ourselves and our country to give it our best shot, it is supposed to be a process, not a coronation.
In solidarity.
JD
Me too. I just sent you another 50 dollars.
We deeply appreciate your courage and strength, you are one of the last of the great politicians, much like the ones I remember from my youth, we are not all young, some of us are in our sixties. Our youth are understandably more cynical as they do not know what a true statesman is except they have discovered you.
I have followed you for years and will follow you to the end of this process as far as you will take it. This country needs real change to save the soul of our democracy which is slipping away by the day.
We see through the smoke and mirrors.
Who knows what the future will bring, we owe it to ourselves and our country to give it our best shot, it is supposed to be a process, not a coronation.
In solidarity.
JD
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My polite comment was deleted, I'll try again.
Bernie Sanders is now a spoiler candidate, and he should stop his personal attacks on Hillary Clinton. If he chooses to keep campaigning to press his issues of free tuition, single-payer healthcare to replace ACA, increasing taxes, then he should press on. But he has to stop calling Hillary a crook every 5 minutes because she has a Super PAC to fight in the general election, or because 2 or 3 billionaires support her. The other 397 billionaires will line up behind Trump or the non-Trump Republican, that is why HRC needs a Super PAC.
I hope the Sanders supporters will support HRC in the fall and unite against the authoritarian, racist, misogynist, selfish candidate Trump. But for those commenters who hate Hillary Clinton, call her a war-monger, Republican-iite, tool of Wall Street - grow up. Go form your own party if you like and make your arguments. Democrats aren't going to agree with you though.
Go Hillary!! She is the best candidate on either side, the best candidate in the Democratic party, and the bravest, smartest candidate for President of my lifetime. I'm so proud to support her.
Bernie Sanders is now a spoiler candidate, and he should stop his personal attacks on Hillary Clinton. If he chooses to keep campaigning to press his issues of free tuition, single-payer healthcare to replace ACA, increasing taxes, then he should press on. But he has to stop calling Hillary a crook every 5 minutes because she has a Super PAC to fight in the general election, or because 2 or 3 billionaires support her. The other 397 billionaires will line up behind Trump or the non-Trump Republican, that is why HRC needs a Super PAC.
I hope the Sanders supporters will support HRC in the fall and unite against the authoritarian, racist, misogynist, selfish candidate Trump. But for those commenters who hate Hillary Clinton, call her a war-monger, Republican-iite, tool of Wall Street - grow up. Go form your own party if you like and make your arguments. Democrats aren't going to agree with you though.
Go Hillary!! She is the best candidate on either side, the best candidate in the Democratic party, and the bravest, smartest candidate for President of my lifetime. I'm so proud to support her.
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You want a list of all the billionaires? Let us start with a few corporations and if you are still interested I can give you the names of all the billionaires who contributed- they are public at FEC
1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-hillary-clinton-and-boeing-a...
2. http://www.scribd.com/doc/301235528/CF-Finance-Donors-Table and https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2015/03/10/hillary-clinton-s-philanthropi...
These are related to the foundation
3. Securities firms have donated $14 Million, finance companies $5 Million, Commercial Banks around $3 Million, Insurance firms have donated another $2 Million to her campaigns - these guys are smart and when the time comes to demand their pound of flesh, they will. Like they did in 2008
1. https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/for-hillary-clinton-and-boeing-a...
2. http://www.scribd.com/doc/301235528/CF-Finance-Donors-Table and https://nonprofitquarterly.org/2015/03/10/hillary-clinton-s-philanthropi...
These are related to the foundation
3. Securities firms have donated $14 Million, finance companies $5 Million, Commercial Banks around $3 Million, Insurance firms have donated another $2 Million to her campaigns - these guys are smart and when the time comes to demand their pound of flesh, they will. Like they did in 2008
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Does anyone really think that Hillary Clinton will maintain the shift to the left she adopted to attract Sanders supporters?
Those who cite European countries’ slow growth as a reason not to emulate them either forgetful or willfully ignoring the fact that “growth” in the US is limited to those at the very top.
I do receive annual raises, but for the last fifteen years or so they have been more than eaten up by increases in healthcare premiums, co-pays, deductibles and out-of-pocket maximums. Last year alone our co-pays doubled and our out-of-pocket maximums increased from $4500 to $12,300. People are still declaring bankruptcy because of healthcare costs.
Then there’s the cost of college for my children….
While our country has seen and recovered from this kind of income inequality before, we have never before been faced with it and the increasingly irreparable climate change. I am haunted by something I read several days ago, a piece that pulls together climate change news and predictions in one place: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/15/1501378/-This-is-why-Bernie-San....
It’s a new kind of colonization: our labor, our blood and our natural resources are being stripped by the 1% who have no idea what our day-to-day lives are like.
People ARE angry. I worry that anger will soon turn to depression and despair.
As long as our political system remains trapped in an ever-deepening cesspool of corporate money this downward trajectory will continue.
Those who cite European countries’ slow growth as a reason not to emulate them either forgetful or willfully ignoring the fact that “growth” in the US is limited to those at the very top.
I do receive annual raises, but for the last fifteen years or so they have been more than eaten up by increases in healthcare premiums, co-pays, deductibles and out-of-pocket maximums. Last year alone our co-pays doubled and our out-of-pocket maximums increased from $4500 to $12,300. People are still declaring bankruptcy because of healthcare costs.
Then there’s the cost of college for my children….
While our country has seen and recovered from this kind of income inequality before, we have never before been faced with it and the increasingly irreparable climate change. I am haunted by something I read several days ago, a piece that pulls together climate change news and predictions in one place: http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/03/15/1501378/-This-is-why-Bernie-San....
It’s a new kind of colonization: our labor, our blood and our natural resources are being stripped by the 1% who have no idea what our day-to-day lives are like.
People ARE angry. I worry that anger will soon turn to depression and despair.
As long as our political system remains trapped in an ever-deepening cesspool of corporate money this downward trajectory will continue.
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My first presidential election vote went to George McGovern. He was principled and non establishment, against an unpopular war. He ran against a largely divisive president who had this thing called "Watergate" to deal with. The youth were avid supporters. He lost in a landslide.
Remember Bernie supporters that the right will throw over $1 billion to defeat him. Every slur that can be said about tax raising, big government, socialists will be hammered home. You may not like Hillary but all the negatives have been put out and the people know her.
Remember Bernie supporters that the right will throw over $1 billion to defeat him. Every slur that can be said about tax raising, big government, socialists will be hammered home. You may not like Hillary but all the negatives have been put out and the people know her.
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Hillary Clinton most certainly knows how to spin historical facts into a new "truth."
As a minor example of this practice, regarding Ohio, the article reads:
"[Ohio is] a state that knows how to pick a president,” Mrs. Clinton said at her victory rally in Columbus in 2008. “And no candidate in recent history, Democrat or Republican, has won the White House without winning the Ohio primary.”
Not true. The article also notes: "Mrs. Clinton prevailed in [the] Ohio [primary] in 2008 against Mr. Obama." and "Mr. Obama, of course, did go on to win the general election."
How long will Hillary Clinton continue to "stonewall" on the release of the transcripts of her "Wall Street" speeches for which she was paid $225,000 each? If her speeches then are consistent with her campaign rhetoric now on the subject of “Wall Street,” why does she continue to "stonewall" on her release of these speech transcripts?
And, why don't the political pundits and the major news media ask this question of her?
As a minor example of this practice, regarding Ohio, the article reads:
"[Ohio is] a state that knows how to pick a president,” Mrs. Clinton said at her victory rally in Columbus in 2008. “And no candidate in recent history, Democrat or Republican, has won the White House without winning the Ohio primary.”
Not true. The article also notes: "Mrs. Clinton prevailed in [the] Ohio [primary] in 2008 against Mr. Obama." and "Mr. Obama, of course, did go on to win the general election."
How long will Hillary Clinton continue to "stonewall" on the release of the transcripts of her "Wall Street" speeches for which she was paid $225,000 each? If her speeches then are consistent with her campaign rhetoric now on the subject of “Wall Street,” why does she continue to "stonewall" on her release of these speech transcripts?
And, why don't the political pundits and the major news media ask this question of her?
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David Lockmiller's points are minor and typical of the Bernie Bros. bully innuendo directed by the Saunders campaign against Hillary. Mrs. Clinton has every right to give speeches for fees and she has donated over $6M of that money to worthy charities.
It's frankly a lot more disturbing to me that Sanders decided to spend his $30M in small donor contributions going negative with PAC style anti-Democrat ads. She hasn't gone negative against 'socialist' Sanders in the same way. That reveals the naked double standards of the Bernie Bros. mentality dog pack.
It's frankly a lot more disturbing to me that Sanders decided to spend his $30M in small donor contributions going negative with PAC style anti-Democrat ads. She hasn't gone negative against 'socialist' Sanders in the same way. That reveals the naked double standards of the Bernie Bros. mentality dog pack.
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Repy to jwp-nyc
On February 26, an editorial entitled "Mrs. Clinton, Show Voters Those Transcripts" was published by the NYTimes. Obviously, the Editorial Board of the New York Times made a good faith argument in requesting that Hillary Clinton, as a potential Democratic Party nominee for President of the United States in 2016, should respond positively to the editorial.
“Public interest in these speeches is legitimate, and it is the public — not the candidate — who decides how much disclosure is enough. By stonewalling on these transcripts Mrs. Clinton plays into the hands of those who say she’s not trustworthy and makes her own rules. Most important, she is damaging her credibility among Democrats who are begging her to show them that she’d run an accountable and transparent White House.”
On February 26, an editorial entitled "Mrs. Clinton, Show Voters Those Transcripts" was published by the NYTimes. Obviously, the Editorial Board of the New York Times made a good faith argument in requesting that Hillary Clinton, as a potential Democratic Party nominee for President of the United States in 2016, should respond positively to the editorial.
“Public interest in these speeches is legitimate, and it is the public — not the candidate — who decides how much disclosure is enough. By stonewalling on these transcripts Mrs. Clinton plays into the hands of those who say she’s not trustworthy and makes her own rules. Most important, she is damaging her credibility among Democrats who are begging her to show them that she’d run an accountable and transparent White House.”
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Mrs Clinton won 4 races and of course she must be happy. But her most important race will be with the FBI, unless the Obama administration decides Mrs Clinton, like Petraeus, only gets a slap on the wrist. She doesn't have stars like Petraeus but the shadow of American ambassador Chris Stevens and the other 3 Americans will follow her forever.
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I can't for the nomination process to end. The venom directed at HRC by Bernie supporters is getting tired. But it is good practice perhaps as it will prepare the Clinton camp for what will be coming from the Trumpsters.
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@Greenfield,
I wonder if some Clinton voters aren't confusing "Bernie Bros" with genuine Bernie voters. There's a distinct difference. But, your lack of acknowledgement of this evince by your comment suggests indifference to that difference. I'm a genuine Bernie voter, one of many who's expressed valid concerns about verifiable problems. You might consider that before labeling everyone who prefers Clinton's opponent the same way, which is a rather venomous thing to do, also.
3-16-16@3:06 pm
3-16-16
I wonder if some Clinton voters aren't confusing "Bernie Bros" with genuine Bernie voters. There's a distinct difference. But, your lack of acknowledgement of this evince by your comment suggests indifference to that difference. I'm a genuine Bernie voter, one of many who's expressed valid concerns about verifiable problems. You might consider that before labeling everyone who prefers Clinton's opponent the same way, which is a rather venomous thing to do, also.
3-16-16@3:06 pm
3-16-16
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Not all the ones who claim to be Bernie supporters really are. If the post reads like the Fox News litany of "charges" against HRC, you can be pretty sure it's a troll.
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Tell me how Hillary's foreign policy is not neo-conservative - or very close to it?
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Robert Kagan in the NY Times a couple of years ago:
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/us/politics/historians-critique-of-oba...
“I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Mr. Kagan said, adding that the next step after Mr. Obama’s more realist approach “could theoretically be whatever Hillary brings to the table” if elected president. “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue,” he added, “it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/16/us/politics/historians-critique-of-oba...
“I feel comfortable with her on foreign policy,” Mr. Kagan said, adding that the next step after Mr. Obama’s more realist approach “could theoretically be whatever Hillary brings to the table” if elected president. “If she pursues a policy which we think she will pursue,” he added, “it’s something that might have been called neocon, but clearly her supporters are not going to call it that; they are going to call it something else.”
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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Bernie Coalition in November? Doesn't Bernie have to receive more Democratic votes in the primaries first? Hillary has received 8.5 million votes to Bernie's 6 million votes. This is a numerical democratic result demonstrating Hillary is a much better vote getter than Bernie and Hillary will put together a winning coalition in November.
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A vote for Hillary is a vote of death. A vote for Trump....God what have we come to? This is the BEST a country of 320 million has to offer? Sad, very sad.
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Just Me is typical of the overwrought and underthought Bernie bros. beat down of logic and decency. Clinton and Saunders voted differently maybe 5% of the time - that difference was split between them with half of her positions more liberal than Bernie's. It's simply a sad, very sad fact free, emotional set of bullying being pushed by 'Bernie Fans' whose address, like'Planet Earth' sound very trollish.
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Oh for crying out loud! What an absurd, silly comment. Fine if you don't like HRC, but to equate her with death is a bit much.
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One of her predecessors as SoS, who is supporting her in her present campaign, opined in public that pursuit of the foreign policy of the Mrs. Clinton's husband was worth the deaths of half a million Iraqi children. There is far more than enough sensibility of that sort among Republican without electing a Democrat who shares their proclivities.
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In one of the comments I read of Hillary's "shady speaking engagements". What is the world is that? She commands thousands from Wall Street, but who better to ask than those who make millions anyway and can easily afford to spend the money. She has also given wonderful non election centered speeches to small college campuses and survivors' groups for little or nothing in return. I have heard one of these and enjoyed her insight into the plight of the world and the US place in it. She is utterly well qualified to be President and will represent our country with firm dignity. Her home agenda will be progressive with the welfare of the least among us in her constant thought. Please America, get over this hate Hillary syndrome and stand up for her in the general election. Bernie will be there when she wins the nomination and offer his support as he should. A divided Democratic party is exactly what the Republicans are hoping for which would hand the Presidency to Trump on a silver platter.
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Then she should release those transcripts if they were so good..
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You are trying to create a moral equivalence where one does not exist. Delivering speeches to corporate audiences and industry groups behind closed doors is different from delivering a speech at a college.
If she has nothing to hide, she should release the transcripts of her speeches and dispel speculation about her loyalties once and for all.
If she has nothing to hide, she should release the transcripts of her speeches and dispel speculation about her loyalties once and for all.
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She's no Obama. Not even close but it's the best we're going to get without going over to the dark side. Just that stunt alone she pulled with having her very own email server as SECRETARY OF STATE to circumvent FOIA regulations shows an extreme lack of judgement.
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Indeed she is no Obama. Obama is far less liberal than Hillary. We all knew that going in, but he has lots of positives and on balance he has done well for the country.
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Hillary won in Ohio because Republicanso couldn't waste their vote on a 'strategic' Bernie vote by crossing over and grabbing a Democratic ballot. Bernie hasn't won any state with a closed primary. And no, independents and Republicans voting for the Bern are not closet socialists. They just fear Madame President Clinton
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All the 24/7 analysis about the math, demographics, turnout, etc are meaningless when we remember the most basic fact about HRC: most people simply do not like her.
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Why are factless, evidence lacking assertions from posts like 'Joe from Iowa' so troll like in their pay to play like one note song message? Because that's what the dirty trick clones of the GOP have been about for a decade. This is simply a continuation of 2008/12. Yeah 'no one liked Obama' either which is why we reelected him by 5,000,000 votes nationally. Garbage arguments by sore losers paid by the post if they're lucky.
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You can leave manure in plain sight, or wrap it in pretty pink paper with a bow. Both stink, but only one smells of mendacity.
What does the DNC plan to do to attract voters to a candidate many find repugnant? They have not factored in how many Democrats simply will refuse to vote if Hillary is their only option.
Just a reminder, Bernie is behind Hillary by only 314 delegates. 2,322 delegates remain. This number does not include the superdelegate count. Missouri hasn't been called yet.
25% of the Democratic delegate count in each state is comprised of DNC appointed superdelegates--party officials and elected politicians (from Bloomberg Politics delegate count website). The DNC expects their appointees to support the DNC-chosen candidate (this, based on personal experience).
So, in Colorado, where Bernie won, 59% to 40%, he and Hillary received equal numbers of delegates, due to superdelegates! In New Hampshire, where Bernie killed it--60% to 38%--Hillary received the same number of delegates as he. In Michigan, where Bernie won the popular vote, Hillary won more delegates!
I'm a Democrat, but this sort of delegate-rigging process is not what I signed up for.
What happens if Bernie wins the popular vote, but loses the delegate count thanks to the DNC's machinations? Statistically, Bernie still polls better than Hillary against Trump in national election projections.
If Dems won't vote for Hillary, that is how Trump will become the next President.
What does the DNC plan to do to attract voters to a candidate many find repugnant? They have not factored in how many Democrats simply will refuse to vote if Hillary is their only option.
Just a reminder, Bernie is behind Hillary by only 314 delegates. 2,322 delegates remain. This number does not include the superdelegate count. Missouri hasn't been called yet.
25% of the Democratic delegate count in each state is comprised of DNC appointed superdelegates--party officials and elected politicians (from Bloomberg Politics delegate count website). The DNC expects their appointees to support the DNC-chosen candidate (this, based on personal experience).
So, in Colorado, where Bernie won, 59% to 40%, he and Hillary received equal numbers of delegates, due to superdelegates! In New Hampshire, where Bernie killed it--60% to 38%--Hillary received the same number of delegates as he. In Michigan, where Bernie won the popular vote, Hillary won more delegates!
I'm a Democrat, but this sort of delegate-rigging process is not what I signed up for.
What happens if Bernie wins the popular vote, but loses the delegate count thanks to the DNC's machinations? Statistically, Bernie still polls better than Hillary against Trump in national election projections.
If Dems won't vote for Hillary, that is how Trump will become the next President.
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Lilou from Paris - your posts always mention 'le manure' - It hoists your statements on their own petard. Hillary has been winning the majority of the primaries with a delegate lead of 2:1 not counting the super delegates. Bernie has gone negative, spending all those $27 contributions on PAC like anti-Hillary ads. Very nasty stuff. Sure hasn't helped him though. Now it's time to come together and make sure we don't get Trumped by fascists. The rest is chit chat.
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I didn't relise the democratic party changed their delegate rules halfway through the campaign. Bernie wins the popular vote? Haha what? You do know that Clinton has nearly 2.5 million more votes than bernie?
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The short answer is that he will not win the popular vote. Bernie has won big in low turnout caucus states and has matched Clinton in a few larger states, but only Clinton has won big state primaries by significant margins. That translates into more popular votes, as in many more.
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Hold your noses all you want but Trump would embarrass this country beyond all repair, remember that.
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It is easy to discover the intentions of these authors and their publisher, when it comes to blowing the horn of their favorite candidate.
Yet, nothing changes that character, and her sullied history.
The authors may attempt to censor my less than appreciative views of someone who has demonstrated a history of a reckless tenure as Sec. of State that resulted in our intervention in Libya, and the subsequent deaths of the ambassador and his subordinates whom she sent into that war zone; But truth will come out.
Yet, nothing changes that character, and her sullied history.
The authors may attempt to censor my less than appreciative views of someone who has demonstrated a history of a reckless tenure as Sec. of State that resulted in our intervention in Libya, and the subsequent deaths of the ambassador and his subordinates whom she sent into that war zone; But truth will come out.
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Truth has come out. Four working in our embassy in Libya were killed in a terrorist linked attack. Bad. But, seriously? Are we suppose to compare that to $4T fighting Iraq on money borrowed from China and then crashing the economy with the car that had derivatives for bumpers? KoolAid seems to be the stuff neo-cons live on.
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Kay,
Many peasants are dying, and, many others loosing their traditional plots, since SoS HRC supported the 2009 coup in Honduras..
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslat...
Many peasants are dying, and, many others loosing their traditional plots, since SoS HRC supported the 2009 coup in Honduras..
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslat...
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Does your interest in foreign ventures gone bad extend to the many Marines lost by Reagan and deaths during the Bush admin or is that censored in your version of reality?
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I loved Gene McCarthy, I loved George McGovern, I even loved Walter Mondale, and they broke my heart. I used my head and voted for LBJ, and he didn't disappoint. I am a Hillary Clinton voter for good reason, I hate heartbreak and love to win. She is a winner walking away: tough, gritty, manipulative, brilliant, but even more, she's on our side, she is a warrior for the Democratic Party. Hillary 2016.
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I just made another contribution to Bernie. It ain't over til it's over. He has a very good chance to win a lot of states over the next two weeks.
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Your thought process saddens and sickens me. She's not even a democratic - the independant from Vermont is what a Demkcrat actually should be. But we have a one party system. And all of those like yourself are so heart breakingly brainwashed that I'm afraid if you're the majority, we are a absolutely doomed! Shame on you. Shame on you.
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Arthur, you are a fantasist. Do the math on two levels: the program's the senator wants, and the delegate count. You lose on both points, so don't tell me shame on me. I do not want a fascist changing this country, you have your head in the clouds, come back to earth and help save the country!
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For too long I have not voted for the candidate who I believed had the ideals this country should embrace because I felt it would be a lost cause.
This time though I can vote for Bernie Sanders with the assurance that he has no chance to beat Hillary. I can have my cake and eat it too.
She will trounce Trump.
This time though I can vote for Bernie Sanders with the assurance that he has no chance to beat Hillary. I can have my cake and eat it too.
She will trounce Trump.
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No she won't. The fix is in. If she wins the nomination, the Republicans will bury her with everything Bernie had been saying, only the difference will be, they will suddenly pay attention because they want a Republican president. They'll fund a way to get Cruz in
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The people have spoken. And what do we have? Two corporatists, Clinton and Trump.
The people that have spoken are dumb and are ignoring a once in a lifetime chance to change the system by embracing (and voting for) Sanders.
It looks like Sanders' revolution is not happening and it's the people that haven't spoken, by not caring enough to vote, are preventing that revolution.
The Clinton political machine, greatly aided by corporate media's blackout of the Sanders campaign from the very beginning and the DNC, has managed to convince voters to vote against their own best interests, a strategy that is also working very well for the Republicans.
So, it is likely that, with Clinton or Trump as president, nothing will change (Clinton) or who knows what?(Trump)
As they say, never underestimate the stupidity (and laziness) of the American electorate.
Clinton and Trump are the flip sides of the same coin. Both offer no real hope for change and both are driven by the lust for power.
It is truly sad that our broken money driven political system, which is very close to fascism , allow two corporate schools to control the election of president.
All that said, I am hopeful that Sanders can still get the nomination.
The people that have spoken are dumb and are ignoring a once in a lifetime chance to change the system by embracing (and voting for) Sanders.
It looks like Sanders' revolution is not happening and it's the people that haven't spoken, by not caring enough to vote, are preventing that revolution.
The Clinton political machine, greatly aided by corporate media's blackout of the Sanders campaign from the very beginning and the DNC, has managed to convince voters to vote against their own best interests, a strategy that is also working very well for the Republicans.
So, it is likely that, with Clinton or Trump as president, nothing will change (Clinton) or who knows what?(Trump)
As they say, never underestimate the stupidity (and laziness) of the American electorate.
Clinton and Trump are the flip sides of the same coin. Both offer no real hope for change and both are driven by the lust for power.
It is truly sad that our broken money driven political system, which is very close to fascism , allow two corporate schools to control the election of president.
All that said, I am hopeful that Sanders can still get the nomination.
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From this week's "New Yorker":
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/21/bernie-hillary-and-the-new-...
…“The other reason for Sanders to stay in the contest is one that most Democrats, even Sanders, are reluctant to discuss. Polls show that Clinton’s greatest vulnerability has to do with trustworthiness and character. She is navigating three federal investigations resulting from her handling of classified data while she was Secretary of State. However these turn out, it is unusual for a presumptive nominee and some of her current and former aides to be under investigation by the F.B.I. Lost amid all the electoral news of Super Tuesday was a cryptic statement made by James Comey, the head of the F.B.I., during testimony before Congress: “I am very close, personally, to that investigation to insure that we have the resources we need, including people and technology.” The following day, the Times reported that a former Clinton aide, Bryan Pagliano, who set up her e-mail server and had pleaded the Fifth Amendment when he was asked to testify before Congress, had agreed to an immunity deal with the F.B.I. Moreover, the Times noted that the Bureau was likely to interview Clinton as part of its investigation.”…
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2016/03/21/bernie-hillary-and-the-new-...
…“The other reason for Sanders to stay in the contest is one that most Democrats, even Sanders, are reluctant to discuss. Polls show that Clinton’s greatest vulnerability has to do with trustworthiness and character. She is navigating three federal investigations resulting from her handling of classified data while she was Secretary of State. However these turn out, it is unusual for a presumptive nominee and some of her current and former aides to be under investigation by the F.B.I. Lost amid all the electoral news of Super Tuesday was a cryptic statement made by James Comey, the head of the F.B.I., during testimony before Congress: “I am very close, personally, to that investigation to insure that we have the resources we need, including people and technology.” The following day, the Times reported that a former Clinton aide, Bryan Pagliano, who set up her e-mail server and had pleaded the Fifth Amendment when he was asked to testify before Congress, had agreed to an immunity deal with the F.B.I. Moreover, the Times noted that the Bureau was likely to interview Clinton as part of its investigation.”…
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Comey is the one who should be under investigation, for being an undercover neo-con operative and treason. He gave the order to lock up the iPhone in order to set up the false case being pressed in an attempt to force Apple to compromise their source code and encryption worldwide. He so testified before congress. It's amazing there's not a popular call for his being charged and jailed. A sidebar to that investigations would be the foundless 'leaks' of nothing much that Comey has promoted under his watch in an attempt to interfere with a fair election. The man's a criminal from every appearance.
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There it is again: that great Right/Left wing conspiracy against our very own St. Joan. They must be seeking to try her for witchcraft to keep her from leading us all to Glory. How dare they seek to elucidate evidence tending to suggest that there is little or no progressive there, there.
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I sincerely hope Bernie's supporters can at least start to accept the following truths. First, he was a long shot from the start, and the fact that he's made it this far is testament to the fact that his ideas have resonated, particularly with the younger generation of voters. Nevertheless, pragmatism appears to have prevailed, and Democratic primary voters have concluded -- with fair reason -- that Hillary not only has the better chance of the two of prevailing in the general, but far more importantly given campaign shifts in recent weeks, is considerably more likely to prevail over Trump.
While I realize that some of Bernie's supporters would disagree with that assertion, I'd suggest that they keep in mind a basic reality that is *always* the case in the general election: independents -- the ones who do not vote in primaries and caucuses -- decide presidential elections. In a race between a far-left and a far-right pair of candidates, their choice is effectively impossible to predict. That calculus is fundamentally different with a centrist running against a right-winger. Even given her admittedly considerable baggage, Hillary is nevertheless best positioned to prevent a worst-case-scenario of Trump winning the presidency.
Finally, for all the Bernie supporters petulantly planning to vote for Trump in November: please realize there's a difference between revolutionizing American politics and destroying them. A vote for Trump will achieve the latter, not the former.
While I realize that some of Bernie's supporters would disagree with that assertion, I'd suggest that they keep in mind a basic reality that is *always* the case in the general election: independents -- the ones who do not vote in primaries and caucuses -- decide presidential elections. In a race between a far-left and a far-right pair of candidates, their choice is effectively impossible to predict. That calculus is fundamentally different with a centrist running against a right-winger. Even given her admittedly considerable baggage, Hillary is nevertheless best positioned to prevent a worst-case-scenario of Trump winning the presidency.
Finally, for all the Bernie supporters petulantly planning to vote for Trump in November: please realize there's a difference between revolutionizing American politics and destroying them. A vote for Trump will achieve the latter, not the former.
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may be more incarcerations too:
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/02/clinton-campaign-g...
http://www.politico.com/blogs/under-the-radar/2016/02/clinton-campaign-g...
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Sanders partisans focus on Hillary Clinton's supposed unpopularity. Do these commentators not realize that millions of Democrats have gone to the poll across the nation, and that 57.8 percent of them favor Clinton? By a wide margin, that makes Clinton the popular choice among Democratic voters.
If Sanders supporters genuinely believe in the causes that their candidate is espousing, then they need to support the Democratic standard bearer chosen by the will of the majority. Suggesting that their no difference between Clinton or Trump, which certain comments allege, is an untenable position. Anyone old enough to remember the outcome of the 2000 election, knows that which party controls the White House has extraordinary implications, and the failure to support the Democratic candidate will likely postpone the kind of change that Sanders supports seek for a generation or more.
If Sanders supporters genuinely believe in the causes that their candidate is espousing, then they need to support the Democratic standard bearer chosen by the will of the majority. Suggesting that their no difference between Clinton or Trump, which certain comments allege, is an untenable position. Anyone old enough to remember the outcome of the 2000 election, knows that which party controls the White House has extraordinary implications, and the failure to support the Democratic candidate will likely postpone the kind of change that Sanders supports seek for a generation or more.
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Jon - it's the independent votes that will decide the election is a truism. If they equate the populism of Trump - a neo-fascist clown, with Bernie Sanders, a tired and repetitious socialist old-new-leftist - that says more about them than the candidates. Sorry.
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But its the independent votes that will decide the general election.
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There are three months more of primaries and caucuses to run, with three fifths of the primary voters still to be heard. If you are so sure that Mrs. Clinton will be the nominee, then why are you and others so concerned to stop the remaining primary voters from having their say? Since you are so confident your candidate will win, why not allow the process to run its course?
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This paper and other MSM media treated Bernie as a joke from the get-go while virtually anointing Hillary as the nominee from the beginning. Then came the "kitchen sink" tactics of HRC's cronies at the DNC, DWS, her husband, and her rich allies against Bernie saying it was over as far back as a month ago. The establishment Dems chose an unlikable candidate and threw the kitchen sink at the one consistently bringing in 10,000+ energized people to his rallies. The establishment and their candidate played unfairly and played dirty. Now they expect us Berners and Independent voters to join them if HRC gets the nomination by scaring us about Drumpf and fascism in America. It's not gonna work. We simply DON'T trust the Democratic establishment! You played unfairly and come November, the Democratic establishment will get exactly what it deserves! Then again, this race is really not over, so let's stop with the propaganda that it is.
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I'm tired of the hero-worship treatment Bernie continues to receive from not only his supporters, but also the media. No doubt he has turned the spotlight on important issues, but so has Hillary over the years. I was initially enthusiastic about the primaries, but the needless disparaging of an incredibly intelligent, pragmatic, and thoughtful woman has left a bad taste in my mouth.
Bernie has been a politician for 40 years - do people think you could survive that long without being an actual politician? How about his support of the Texas-Vermont-Main Compact - the bill to dump nuclear waste at an poor hispanic community - and his response to the protests? Or his response to the protests over his Kosovo vote, or the Green Mt Veterans for Peace? All politicians are put in tough spots and make tough decisions, Bernie and Hillary included.
Unlike the nytimes "not winning hearts" headline, exit polls show for Super Tuesday show Hillary voters were more enthusiastic about her than Bernie ones, as he relied more on independents. Stop with the skewed coverage. All I want is a fair and productive of the primaries, and a respectful treatment of both candidates.
Bernie has been a politician for 40 years - do people think you could survive that long without being an actual politician? How about his support of the Texas-Vermont-Main Compact - the bill to dump nuclear waste at an poor hispanic community - and his response to the protests? Or his response to the protests over his Kosovo vote, or the Green Mt Veterans for Peace? All politicians are put in tough spots and make tough decisions, Bernie and Hillary included.
Unlike the nytimes "not winning hearts" headline, exit polls show for Super Tuesday show Hillary voters were more enthusiastic about her than Bernie ones, as he relied more on independents. Stop with the skewed coverage. All I want is a fair and productive of the primaries, and a respectful treatment of both candidates.
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well said
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Do some research, Hillary Propaganda Machine
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/22/fact-checkin...
Kosovo vote actually shows you he is willing to act - The decision to bomb Serbia was a complex one, and Bernie ultimately voted to take action to
prevent further genocide. It was one of the few operations that prevented further killings unlike I hate to mention it ad nauseum, but Mrs. Clinton's support for Iraq, Libya, Syria etc
You should cease and desist from random clippings on the internet and go to back to begging for money from corporate donors.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2015/sep/22/fact-checkin...
Kosovo vote actually shows you he is willing to act - The decision to bomb Serbia was a complex one, and Bernie ultimately voted to take action to
prevent further genocide. It was one of the few operations that prevented further killings unlike I hate to mention it ad nauseum, but Mrs. Clinton's support for Iraq, Libya, Syria etc
You should cease and desist from random clippings on the internet and go to back to begging for money from corporate donors.
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It is easy to discover the intentions of these authors and their publisher, when it comes to blowing the horn of their favorite candidate.
Yet, nothing changes that character, and her sullied history.
The authors may attempt to censor my less than appreciative views of someone who has demonstrated a history of a reckless tenure as Sec. of State that resulted in our intervention in Libya, and the subsequent deaths of the ambassador and his subordinates whom she sent into that war zone; But truth will come out.
Yet, nothing changes that character, and her sullied history.
The authors may attempt to censor my less than appreciative views of someone who has demonstrated a history of a reckless tenure as Sec. of State that resulted in our intervention in Libya, and the subsequent deaths of the ambassador and his subordinates whom she sent into that war zone; But truth will come out.
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The political climate in the Democratic base cannot differentiate spurious slander (i.e. Republican, FoxNews talking points) from valid criticisms. This does not bode well for the future of the Party.
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It's disappointing to Sanders who has immense integrity, commitment and love for his country lose to a person with little integrity, commitment to herself first and a love for power.
Beyond the Wall Street speeches and political corruption of $130 million in loot the Clintons have amassed does anyone remember the $100,000 that Hillary made with a $1000 investment in cattle futures in the late 70's with no experience? I know financial markets and that is almost impossible but at least we know why no white collar crooks are ever prosecuted. I am embarrassed that this is what we have become. "We have met the enemy and they is us."
If this is all we are then I believe Trump will bury Hillary. The number of Independents and cross over Dems voting for Trump appears to be quite large and Hillary is winning states that Dems typically lose in the election.
Beyond the Wall Street speeches and political corruption of $130 million in loot the Clintons have amassed does anyone remember the $100,000 that Hillary made with a $1000 investment in cattle futures in the late 70's with no experience? I know financial markets and that is almost impossible but at least we know why no white collar crooks are ever prosecuted. I am embarrassed that this is what we have become. "We have met the enemy and they is us."
If this is all we are then I believe Trump will bury Hillary. The number of Independents and cross over Dems voting for Trump appears to be quite large and Hillary is winning states that Dems typically lose in the election.
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I'd love to see your source for "the number of Independents and cross over Dems voting for Trump". Maybe you could start with just the number.
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The NY Times should have put much of this on the editorial page. Read the article carefully; claims are made that should have been represented as comments from the Clinton campaign, with no interpretations of events in turn from the Sander's campaign. The fat lady is still lurking behind the curtain, and the plate of crow may well be served up to Times' writers yet. Even if this is not true, balanced reporting remains a journalistic standard that the Times might hopefully embrace.
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Thomas Leatherwood in Santa Fe. Interesting that Bernie Bros are nearly indistinguishable in their offensive hunger to call women 'fat' and 'disgusting' - yet their love of wrinkled, old men seems bottomless.
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Well, NYT, you got what you wanted. This may be one of my last comments before unsubscribing because of the astonishing bias seen here.
Sanders can still win the nomination if there is some scandal that makes Clinton look unelectable against a Republican. This is not unlikely. If her Goldman Sachs transcripts were released or if there were more revelations from her emails, or an indictment, then it might be preferable to run Sanders instead. This is not impossible. She should have released her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts. And her emails are not Benghazi; they are a serious breach of security and an issue on which she lied. She was also allowed to delete a lot of emails that we will know nothing about.
The main reason I object to Hillary Clinton is because I am primarily concerned about economic justice for the working poor and Sanders is far better on this issue than she is. In addition, however, I think she is an incredibly risky candidate because of the various scandals - real and not real - that may trip her up. I think Sanders is more electable than Trump. Actually I don't think any Democrat could lose to Trump. Only a minority (a plurality, but a minority) of Republicans even choose Trump. In a general election people will turn out in droves to vote against him, especially as he implodes, which he probably will.
Sanders supporters in states that haven't voted: please don't give up! Send a message, at the very least, with your vote.
Sanders can still win the nomination if there is some scandal that makes Clinton look unelectable against a Republican. This is not unlikely. If her Goldman Sachs transcripts were released or if there were more revelations from her emails, or an indictment, then it might be preferable to run Sanders instead. This is not impossible. She should have released her Goldman Sachs speech transcripts. And her emails are not Benghazi; they are a serious breach of security and an issue on which she lied. She was also allowed to delete a lot of emails that we will know nothing about.
The main reason I object to Hillary Clinton is because I am primarily concerned about economic justice for the working poor and Sanders is far better on this issue than she is. In addition, however, I think she is an incredibly risky candidate because of the various scandals - real and not real - that may trip her up. I think Sanders is more electable than Trump. Actually I don't think any Democrat could lose to Trump. Only a minority (a plurality, but a minority) of Republicans even choose Trump. In a general election people will turn out in droves to vote against him, especially as he implodes, which he probably will.
Sanders supporters in states that haven't voted: please don't give up! Send a message, at the very least, with your vote.
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Hdb of Tennessee - there have been zero revelations in Clintons emails and every charge in your tiresome and repetitious diatribe is without merit or foundation. You typify what disgusts so many true Democrats in Bernie Bros type bullies - sexist, lying and as fascist as Trump backers - it is the more disturbing development that Sanders for all his 'good guy' posing chooses to spend 90% of his ad money going negative.
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Sanders would be absolutely skewered by Trump and served up as a sacrificial meal to the angry mobs following Big Hair, Small Hands around.
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I'd love to see your basis for asserting "Sanders would be absolutely skewered by Trump". Maybe you could start with your prediction of the popular and electoral college votes.
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So disappointing. Bernie speaks to (for) so many of us; I don't know who Hillary speaks to/for. I'm a Gen-Xer, my kid - a 17 year old millennial who would like to vote in the next election but won't be of age - likens her to Professor Umbrage as depicted in the Harry Potter films. He's not wrong. She drips of inauthenticity and platitudes and the Umbrage imagery is spot-on. It's going to be a long haul ahead and I'm not sure what she will be able to do to convince me to press the lever. As a 49 year old feminist, professional, social worker, and academic, I should be squarely in her camp...but I just can't get behind her.
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I'm a feminist in my 30s, own one of her books, and went to one of her campaign events back in 2008. And I'm a Sanders supporter. The implication that a woman who doesn't support Clinton isn't a good feminist is very tired.
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thank you! :)
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Have you read any of her books? Watched any of the in-depth interviews she has done? Gone to even one of her campaign events?
She is pragmatic, intelligent, and battle-seasoned. If you, "as a 49 year old feminist" can't get behind her, maybe you should be focusing more on ability than likability.
She is pragmatic, intelligent, and battle-seasoned. If you, "as a 49 year old feminist" can't get behind her, maybe you should be focusing more on ability than likability.
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I'm eager to make the last vote I will ever make as a member of the Democratic party be for Bernie Sanders. When I leave the polling booth on primary day I will go directly to the Board of Elections and change my party affiliation to "independent". I certainly hope Bernie changes his mind and runs as an independent in the general election should Hillary become the nominee. In any case, even if he doesn't run independently I will write his name in come November in appreciation of his values and principles and for showing America how our political system in America should operate -- by and for the people. Neither Hillary or Trump is worthy of me giving up the principles Bernie is fighting for, and they don't deserve my vote. I'm so very, very very tired of corporations and millionaires running the show.
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Is it logistically possible for Sanders to run as an independent down the road? I think he might do very well, if so.
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It's hardly my imagination that you've successfully buried any good news for Hillary Clinton in today's paper with headlines like "Hillary Clinton Wins 4 Races, Rebounding Loss" by which you mean to say that Hillary Clinton lost one state last week amidst a string of victories that left her far ahead in popular votes as well as in pledged delegates; and that in fact she won five, not four, races, including races that her opponent had publicly proclaimed he was on track to win.
Your only other headline made reference to the fact that both she and Trump are winning "votes but not hearts." Way to rain on her parade! I was sure you were going to find yourself forced to print unvarnished good news about Clinton's victory, but you found a way to turn it into a negative.
And, rather than suggest that perhaps Bernie Sanders needs to expand his base of (admittedly fervent) supporters, you proclaimed in your editorial that Hillary will "need" to find a way to appeal to Bernie's supporters ... because why? Is she on track to lose?
The icing on the cake has to be the one letter you print, suggesting that Hillary needs to choose a moderate Republican as a running mate, because ... why again? Democrats won't mind at all? Her voters aren't good enough?
You have to work hard to miss the story this badly.
Your only other headline made reference to the fact that both she and Trump are winning "votes but not hearts." Way to rain on her parade! I was sure you were going to find yourself forced to print unvarnished good news about Clinton's victory, but you found a way to turn it into a negative.
And, rather than suggest that perhaps Bernie Sanders needs to expand his base of (admittedly fervent) supporters, you proclaimed in your editorial that Hillary will "need" to find a way to appeal to Bernie's supporters ... because why? Is she on track to lose?
The icing on the cake has to be the one letter you print, suggesting that Hillary needs to choose a moderate Republican as a running mate, because ... why again? Democrats won't mind at all? Her voters aren't good enough?
You have to work hard to miss the story this badly.
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Hillary has essentially spent nearly twenty years running for president, while amassing a vast political machine to propel her and the neoconservative agenda into the presidency. Sanders has been running for all of ten months, and was barely known outside of Vermont. Yet after a mere ten months of campaigning and no superpac money at all,, he is getting, usually, nearly fifty percent of the Democratic voters! Doesn't that tell the NYT that Hillary is a dated, nineties candidate and that Sander's views are turning into the new mainstream?
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Fascinating how Sanders nay sayers, are really Clinton plants. The protestations of Sanders' vision as being improbable because the Congress is is comprised of an opposing majority bespeaks of an ignorance of the popular election mandate.
It is certainly true that a Democrat who barely sqeaks out a win with less than 50% of the popular vote will be perceived as a lame duck before they even take office. A Democrat who garners 60% or more of the popular vote, however, will have won by a landslide. Should individual Congressmen ignore the tally of that popular vote within their district, they will be gone at their next attempt to get reelected.
So, regardless of whom occupies the Presidency next, it will be the size of their election win that determines the perceived mandate they have to enact the changes they seek.
Now, Should we elect one of two people who dye their hair blond? One of whom suffers from stunted maturity, or the other who has demonstrated real incompetence in managing the office they held to the point that their failed policy objectives advocated for US military intervention in Libya, and subsequently allowed a US Ambassador and his subordinates into that war zone where they were killed? Never mind the over half a million dollars she accepted for giving one speech to Goldman Sachs of Wall Street.
Is this the character of a candidate upon whom we place our faith to safeguard our collective destiny for a bright and shining future?
It is certainly true that a Democrat who barely sqeaks out a win with less than 50% of the popular vote will be perceived as a lame duck before they even take office. A Democrat who garners 60% or more of the popular vote, however, will have won by a landslide. Should individual Congressmen ignore the tally of that popular vote within their district, they will be gone at their next attempt to get reelected.
So, regardless of whom occupies the Presidency next, it will be the size of their election win that determines the perceived mandate they have to enact the changes they seek.
Now, Should we elect one of two people who dye their hair blond? One of whom suffers from stunted maturity, or the other who has demonstrated real incompetence in managing the office they held to the point that their failed policy objectives advocated for US military intervention in Libya, and subsequently allowed a US Ambassador and his subordinates into that war zone where they were killed? Never mind the over half a million dollars she accepted for giving one speech to Goldman Sachs of Wall Street.
Is this the character of a candidate upon whom we place our faith to safeguard our collective destiny for a bright and shining future?
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Good grief. At least cite which right wing source you are using.
Bernie made good for Vermont on the F-35. That is a fighter that is obsolete by all accounts. But it was good for Vermonters. So you might want to figure out what politicians do.
Bernie made good for Vermont on the F-35. That is a fighter that is obsolete by all accounts. But it was good for Vermonters. So you might want to figure out what politicians do.
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As an Ohioan I am very disappointed with the fearful lazy Democrats who backed Clinton. I'm very proud he won in my county. Sander supporters are very aware of the hate that will be unleashed for Hillary from the GOP.
As a human being that strives for peace, love and understanding, I can't grasp the acceptance of an endless war, acceptance of lip service from a hawk candidate ready to sacrifice more lives, when our own country has barely ceased bleeding from the Bush administrations horrendous decisions. We need Sanders!
As a human being that strives for peace, love and understanding, I can't grasp the acceptance of an endless war, acceptance of lip service from a hawk candidate ready to sacrifice more lives, when our own country has barely ceased bleeding from the Bush administrations horrendous decisions. We need Sanders!
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Dear Sage55:
You need Sanders? Well, we've had Sanders, for forty years. When have you been?
I've known Sanders since he was mayor, then in Congress, both the Lower and Upper House. How long have you supported him? What bills in Congress have you written to him, and lent your support? Did you back him back then? Then you are a rarity because Sanders record on getting bills passed has been abysmal.
Sanders been giving the same democratic socialist spiel he has forever. It's been a lot of talk on Sanders part, but for all the talk, very little has gotten done. I ask: Where's the need for Sanders?
DD
Manhattan
You need Sanders? Well, we've had Sanders, for forty years. When have you been?
I've known Sanders since he was mayor, then in Congress, both the Lower and Upper House. How long have you supported him? What bills in Congress have you written to him, and lent your support? Did you back him back then? Then you are a rarity because Sanders record on getting bills passed has been abysmal.
Sanders been giving the same democratic socialist spiel he has forever. It's been a lot of talk on Sanders part, but for all the talk, very little has gotten done. I ask: Where's the need for Sanders?
DD
Manhattan
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I'm supporting Hillary and I'm not holding my nose.
The negativity spewed by the people on this site, who are obviously Republicans pretending to support Bernie, is only matched in it's offensive immaturity by their leader, Trump himself.
What liberal leaning supporter gets all of their information about Hillary from the Daily Caller, Brietbart, and Judge Jeannine ?
You bros better come up with a better ruse than the one you are trying to pull. When you are outed, it's going to look mighty embarrassing ...
The negativity spewed by the people on this site, who are obviously Republicans pretending to support Bernie, is only matched in it's offensive immaturity by their leader, Trump himself.
What liberal leaning supporter gets all of their information about Hillary from the Daily Caller, Brietbart, and Judge Jeannine ?
You bros better come up with a better ruse than the one you are trying to pull. When you are outed, it's going to look mighty embarrassing ...
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You mean it is all a great Right/Left wing conspiracy?
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Yes, I have been thinking about that too... and how many millennials actually subscribe to the NYT in order to be able to post? And those Bernie supporters who do subscribe to the NYT are generally more thoughtful and balanced in their judgments than these irrational vituperative commenters...
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I'm disgusted and horrified by the number of Sanders supporters who claim there is no difference between Clinton and Trump. Really? Open your eyes! Listen to the candidates. There is a sea of difference. I am angered by the Sanders supporters who believe I can't possibly support Clinton because I think she is an awesome candidate. Or that I only support her because she is a woman.
It will be interesting to see what Sanders says in his concession speech. I hope that he helps turn his supporters to the best candidate to carry out progressive policies, which is Clinton.
It will be interesting to see what Sanders says in his concession speech. I hope that he helps turn his supporters to the best candidate to carry out progressive policies, which is Clinton.
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Awesome: causing feelings of fear and wonder (http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/awesome.) I doubt that many of us who are progressive think Clinton=Trump. Even so, many of us realize that Clinton is effectively Republican-Lite, which is unlikely to be appealing to a real, rather than a rhetorically opportunistic, progressive. Many of us perceive her word to be about as reliable as Mitt Romney's and suspect that her rhetorical concessions of the moment to progressives will be forgotten in favor of 1%er business-as-usual concerns NLT her completion of recitation of the oath of office.
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Sanders's supporters, like the man himself, mustn't be taken seriously. I'd rather have Republican Lite than Castro Lite. Take any position on the issues that matter most to Sanders's supporters and Hillary's policies are smarter, tougher and more realistic—yet they ignore this. Wall Street reform doesn't require the reimposition of a century-old law whose repeal did NOT cause the crash. On healthcare, single-payer is out of the question, unnecessary, unaffordable. His opposition to free trade is both inane and dangerous. Bernie didn't oppose the Iraq War because he—like, say, the late George Kennan—foresaw the difficulties post-Hussein with some kind of great insight. No, he opposed it because he's an anti-war socialist from the '60s who would oppose almost ANY war.
Sanders doesn't know anything about foreign policy, and he doesn't know anything about capitalism. All Sanders knows, or thinks he knows, is that inequality is awful. Who in their right mind would raise capital gains taxes in excess of 70%? None of the issues that matter to sensible Republicans (e.g., regulatory reform and tax-code simplification) matter to Sanders. Sensible Republicans, the few who remain, have justifiable complaints that deserve to be addressed.
Mr. Sanders's tenacity vis-à-vis one issue allows him to obnubilate a near-total ignorance of everything else. I know that his supporters think blacks should vote for him; but the truth is that his growth-stifling policies wouldn't be good for anyone.
Sanders doesn't know anything about foreign policy, and he doesn't know anything about capitalism. All Sanders knows, or thinks he knows, is that inequality is awful. Who in their right mind would raise capital gains taxes in excess of 70%? None of the issues that matter to sensible Republicans (e.g., regulatory reform and tax-code simplification) matter to Sanders. Sensible Republicans, the few who remain, have justifiable complaints that deserve to be addressed.
Mr. Sanders's tenacity vis-à-vis one issue allows him to obnubilate a near-total ignorance of everything else. I know that his supporters think blacks should vote for him; but the truth is that his growth-stifling policies wouldn't be good for anyone.
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Dear A R.P.:
Have you considered changing your moniker? I won't demean as you have by referencing the meaning of "reasonable" courtesy of Mr. Webster. That wouldn't be reasonable or prudent.
Then you call Hillary "Republican Lite". You understand that is a worn-out cliche for a supposed erudite person as yourself? You proceed to define the difference between a real rather than an opportunistic progressive. So wise be you.
I have never known a politician in seven plus decades on this spinning blue marble who wasn't an opportunist. It's ingrained in the very nature of how politics is defined.
I didn't vote for Romney, you did. If not you personally then enough folks from Massachusetts did. That makes yours a Republican-Lite state. Isn't your current guv a Republican? What gives? Losing your real progressive nature?
Romney brought you and US the prototype for President Obama's PPACA. Considering Romney's politics, wasn't that a good thing? Or would you prefer being dogmatic, not open to agreeing to anything a Republican does even if it you believe is a good thing?
Then you choose to use the word, "perceive", in your comment. Now that is one "awesome" powerful word. It contains within it the very foundations of the machinations of the human mind. I won't reference Webster to ascertain its meaning. I get your drift. Perception, beauty, judgement and politics is in the eye of the beholder. I behold Hillary, the nominee.
DD
Manhattan
Have you considered changing your moniker? I won't demean as you have by referencing the meaning of "reasonable" courtesy of Mr. Webster. That wouldn't be reasonable or prudent.
Then you call Hillary "Republican Lite". You understand that is a worn-out cliche for a supposed erudite person as yourself? You proceed to define the difference between a real rather than an opportunistic progressive. So wise be you.
I have never known a politician in seven plus decades on this spinning blue marble who wasn't an opportunist. It's ingrained in the very nature of how politics is defined.
I didn't vote for Romney, you did. If not you personally then enough folks from Massachusetts did. That makes yours a Republican-Lite state. Isn't your current guv a Republican? What gives? Losing your real progressive nature?
Romney brought you and US the prototype for President Obama's PPACA. Considering Romney's politics, wasn't that a good thing? Or would you prefer being dogmatic, not open to agreeing to anything a Republican does even if it you believe is a good thing?
Then you choose to use the word, "perceive", in your comment. Now that is one "awesome" powerful word. It contains within it the very foundations of the machinations of the human mind. I won't reference Webster to ascertain its meaning. I get your drift. Perception, beauty, judgement and politics is in the eye of the beholder. I behold Hillary, the nominee.
DD
Manhattan
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I am utterly sick of hearing about Donald Trump. He is the front runner, but Hillary Clinton is ALSO a front runner and has received scant attention for the past two weeks until her recent primary wins. We heard far more about Bernie Sanders than we did Secretary Clinton. Why the double standard? Because Trump is unbelievably crude and obnoxious? Because Bernie is a demagogue who can't supply detailed information about how he'll go about making the changes he proposes to make? The media coverage is sexist, but nobody dares mention the role of sexism in Bernie's appeal among younger voters. Nobody wants to mention the mom factor--that moms are considered uncool whereas crazy uncles are oh, so entertaining. People are content to say, "well,I just don't like Hillary and I can't say why," as though it were some sorority popularity contest rather than the fate of the country that's at stake.
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Nonsense. There are far more articles about Hillary than Sanders. She's been crowned as the "presumptive nominee" since this thing started. Does that make the media Anti-Semites? No, its just means that her name or Trump's name gets clicks which makes them money.
Clinton and Trump are winning solely on name recognition alone and both represent the worst of what America has to offer. Both are serial liars, megalomaniacs and interested in serving their own egos before this country.
Clinton and Trump are winning solely on name recognition alone and both represent the worst of what America has to offer. Both are serial liars, megalomaniacs and interested in serving their own egos before this country.
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Bernie should stay in race. While Hillary was gifted this nomination by the corrupt special interest groups that she sold herself to, Bernie represents the future of what this country deserves... honesty and character two things Hillary knows nothing about.
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Gifted?
He is winning some races and so is she. There is a fair election contest going on and all of you Bernie supporters need to realize that it is hard to lose but not that hard to be graceful about it.
If you need an example you need only look to the woman you seem so eager to malign.
Obama, the winner last time asked her to join his team and she did so with professionalism and campaigned for him vigorously. That's grace and leadership.
I'm with her and you should be too.
He is winning some races and so is she. There is a fair election contest going on and all of you Bernie supporters need to realize that it is hard to lose but not that hard to be graceful about it.
If you need an example you need only look to the woman you seem so eager to malign.
Obama, the winner last time asked her to join his team and she did so with professionalism and campaigned for him vigorously. That's grace and leadership.
I'm with her and you should be too.
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Of course she was gifted how else would you explain the super delegates, endorsements etc
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I cannot accept simply not voting. At the very least you should be able to vote against someone. The lesser of the two evils as it were. Just sitting it out leaves it up for grabs and I believe to be a very bad choice.
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The race for the 2016 Democratic presidential nomination effectively ended last night, with Hillary as the all-but-certain winner.
That doesn’t mean Bernie will give up and fade away any time soon. The calendar now turns to a string of overwhelmingly white, caucus states like Idaho, Utah, Washington, and Alaska, where he is favored to collect the small piles of delegates available -- 244 delegates in total, counting Hawaii on March 26.
However, as the NYT notes per its delegate calculator, Bernie would have to win more than 60% of the remaining vote to beat Hillary. A very difficult hurdle to overcome.
That doesn’t mean Bernie will give up and fade away any time soon. The calendar now turns to a string of overwhelmingly white, caucus states like Idaho, Utah, Washington, and Alaska, where he is favored to collect the small piles of delegates available -- 244 delegates in total, counting Hawaii on March 26.
However, as the NYT notes per its delegate calculator, Bernie would have to win more than 60% of the remaining vote to beat Hillary. A very difficult hurdle to overcome.
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With all of the complaints and faux outrage against the largely apocryphal "Bernie Bros" lodged in the NYT comments section over the past few months, I find myself quite dismayed today by the tone of Clinton supporters here who employ insults and threats to deride Bernie supporters. Using phrases like Bernie's simplistic demonizations"; "congratulations up there in your little worthless ideologically pure perches"; "if he keeps prattling on about wanting to see the transcripts...then he's just a spoiler", and the threats ad nauseum about how we and we alone will be responsible for the future of the Supreme Court, are very insulting to those of us who support and respect Senator Sanders.
Trying to scare up votes never works on thoughtful people, and while many of us are still raw and grieving over last night's losses, it is not the time for gloating or insults. In fact, the time is never right for such behavior.
Trying to scare up votes never works on thoughtful people, and while many of us are still raw and grieving over last night's losses, it is not the time for gloating or insults. In fact, the time is never right for such behavior.
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Oh please -
Not only do these people exist, they are mostly Trump people who pretend to be Bernie supporters. Fortunately they give themselves away with their loose command of the English language.
Not only do these people exist, they are mostly Trump people who pretend to be Bernie supporters. Fortunately they give themselves away with their loose command of the English language.
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Wrong, we exist, you just don't like hearing the truth.
It is more likely you hrc ranters and ravers are trump people pretending to be hrc supporters.
The one with the loosest command of the english language is HRC, that is all you get with her, words and tongue wagging.
At least Obama gave us' pretty speeches' as she said in 2008.
I think you are the Trump supporters because they know by the polls they can beat hrc as they will fire up the troops to keep her out and if she does get in they will impeach her.
And then what a mess you all will have made.
Why don't you all stop trash taking Trump since you all think you have some right to shame and bash and tell people what to say and how to think?
It is more likely you hrc ranters and ravers are trump people pretending to be hrc supporters.
The one with the loosest command of the english language is HRC, that is all you get with her, words and tongue wagging.
At least Obama gave us' pretty speeches' as she said in 2008.
I think you are the Trump supporters because they know by the polls they can beat hrc as they will fire up the troops to keep her out and if she does get in they will impeach her.
And then what a mess you all will have made.
Why don't you all stop trash taking Trump since you all think you have some right to shame and bash and tell people what to say and how to think?
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Ohio has a closed primary - this worked to Bernie's disadvantage as many of his supporters are independents.
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People are thoroughly unimpressed with Hillary, who they believe will give us more of the same. That is what people here aren’t getting. A number of Americans who have graduated college within the last 10-15 years find themselves underemployed or unemployed. They are saddled with some of the largest college debt seen in America in 70 years. Many people within this age-cohort are well-connected with people in other countries thanks to social media, perhaps more so than any other age-cohort. They see successful government-run universal health care, workers with minimum 4+ weeks of paid vacation, lengthy maternity leaves, free (or at least inexpensive) universities and successful safety nets. Wall Street and big businesses is the big reason why the economy tanked in 2008, a big reason why we don’t have government-run universal health care, a big reason why we don’t enjoy a number of these worker benefits, partially the reason why getting a college education is so expensive in the US and indirectly a reason why the safety nets continue to be shredded in America. They face little to no serious regulation in the US, which they can ignore at will. Bernie Sanders was the only serious candidate that would at least fight big businesses. Hillary Clinton is supported by these same institutions and Donald Trump is big-business personified! Can you blame people not voting for either candidate and wanting to leave the US rather than to deal with either candidate?
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"With the lesson of Michigan in mind, her campaign moved to retool her stance on trade by strengthening her opposition to the Trans-Pacific Partnership and emphasizing support for manufacturing in her jobs plan. In Ohio, Clinton took specific aim at elements of the pending trade package seen as harmful to the auto and steel industries."
Professional retooling...always shape shifting, this is the Clinton Political Machine backed by the Oligarchs. WORDS what is the meaning of a word? To the Clintons, nothing, words are cheap and talk is cheap. Meaningless hollow empty tongue wagging. And those who support her ask why the vitriol? The woman has no moral compass and will say AND DO anything to gain her power.
Professional retooling...always shape shifting, this is the Clinton Political Machine backed by the Oligarchs. WORDS what is the meaning of a word? To the Clintons, nothing, words are cheap and talk is cheap. Meaningless hollow empty tongue wagging. And those who support her ask why the vitriol? The woman has no moral compass and will say AND DO anything to gain her power.
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I find it shocking that this person is winning the Democratic nomination. I can't help but believe that this is all a sham, just like every election since the early 60's. All set up beforehand. The woman is a criminal...are you kidding me!
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I don't like Hillary Clinton. But she is all that will stand between me and a wall of right-wing Republicans, trying to rig the game for the 1% and against women, minorities, scientists, union members and everyone who has benefited from Democratic presidents and proposals. I reject the Christian "right' and their crusade to turn this country into a place where dissent is drowned out and discussion discouraged if it is not allied with their narrow, rigid, point of view. Hillary 2016!
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I will not vote for a Clinton. Arrogant as always.
I don't know how she won Ohio. I understand that there was shortage of ballots and people went home. If that's the case, one might wonder if the fix was in?
She will lose in the general election. American will suffer greatly under the leadership of Trump or Cruz. Perhaps then we will have the revolution we should have had years ago. I will fight Clinton or Trump or Cruz with equal vigor with my dying breath all the years while they're in office.
I don't know how she won Ohio. I understand that there was shortage of ballots and people went home. If that's the case, one might wonder if the fix was in?
She will lose in the general election. American will suffer greatly under the leadership of Trump or Cruz. Perhaps then we will have the revolution we should have had years ago. I will fight Clinton or Trump or Cruz with equal vigor with my dying breath all the years while they're in office.
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Tom: my grammar is correct. I am referring to the hand-picked Democrat establishment candidate: Hillary Clinton.
Here's how the Democrats lose the election. I think the GOP had this plan all along but Rubio's stumble ruined their ultimate goal. It will happen like this. The kids will stay home. Progressive socialists like me will defect or stay home. In addition, as a big contributor to the Democrats in the past, I will be keeping my money out of Congressional races. So, Trump wins, unless the GOP bushwacks him in the convention using Cruz. Then, we will have the lowest turn-out in recent history. Say, maybe we can score 10% turnout justifying an open rebellion. Or, maybe, our parties are less honest than the Communists of the 80's who eventually stepped aside --- wanna bet.
Here's how the Democrats lose the election. I think the GOP had this plan all along but Rubio's stumble ruined their ultimate goal. It will happen like this. The kids will stay home. Progressive socialists like me will defect or stay home. In addition, as a big contributor to the Democrats in the past, I will be keeping my money out of Congressional races. So, Trump wins, unless the GOP bushwacks him in the convention using Cruz. Then, we will have the lowest turn-out in recent history. Say, maybe we can score 10% turnout justifying an open rebellion. Or, maybe, our parties are less honest than the Communists of the 80's who eventually stepped aside --- wanna bet.
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@Rocketscientist,
I mean no disrespect, truly. Are you serious? Where did you get your info about the ballots, etc.?
3-16-16@5:11 pm
I mean no disrespect, truly. Are you serious? Where did you get your info about the ballots, etc.?
3-16-16@5:11 pm
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How often one gets to pick "the best" candidate in the general election? There will be only two candidates to choose from. I don't recall I ever voting for the best, and have always voted for the lesser of the two evils.
I'm not a fan of Clinton, but I feel America has a lot more to lose by having either Cruz or Trump as President. With that in mind I will vote for Clinton and do the most I can to deny Trump or Cruz the presidency.
I'm not a fan of Clinton, but I feel America has a lot more to lose by having either Cruz or Trump as President. With that in mind I will vote for Clinton and do the most I can to deny Trump or Cruz the presidency.
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Great to see all these "liberals" and "progressives" who rail against money in politics getting behind the candidate taking millions from Wall Street. This country needs an enema.
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Isn't that where Trump came from?
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The Bernie Bros and other Sanders supporters have to stop calling Hillary Clinton corrupt. She is not, you are simply repeating Republican talking/attack points used all these years. Look at Obama, what's been said about him exceeds the disgusting pile of nonsense spewed about Clinton.
So, if you want a Democrat to win in November, be kind, not rude all the time. I'm really disappointed in so many long-term commenters and their irrational negativity toward a pretty qualified candidate.
So, if you want a Democrat to win in November, be kind, not rude all the time. I'm really disappointed in so many long-term commenters and their irrational negativity toward a pretty qualified candidate.
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Joe,
Please answer my question concerning Clinton ethics sited below.
Please answer my question concerning Clinton ethics sited below.
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@Joe Sabin,
How very droll and predictable.Your comment is one of many I've seen on this website: presuming, prejudging, scolding and painting all Sanders supporters the same way. I guess you don't see the hypocrisy in your rudeness. Do you know every Sanders voter in every state, including those who don't read the NYT and haven't commented here?
I've had comments accepted here, in which I've wondered why Clinton voters do what you're doing now. The difference is, I've remembered everyone's right to speak while politely asking people to remember mutual respect, i.e., Sanders and Clinton voters.
BTW, you speak of attacks on Clinton. Clinton rebuked Trump for bigotry. I've learned that Clinton considered the late Sen. Robert Byrd a mentor. He was a Klan member and he filibustered against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and was pro-Viet Nam. I watched her praise him on a video. That's not nonsense to me, a Black woman with Jewish relatives. Clinton also had to apologize for misspeaking when she complimented Nancy Reagan for AIDS support in the early days. I've got gay neighbors, both voters and lovely people, who were displeased. Obviously, those things are verifiable facts, not Republican talking points. I'm a registered Democrat; a regular voter, including local elections;
I've never voted Republican in my life.
3-16-16@2:43 pm
How very droll and predictable.Your comment is one of many I've seen on this website: presuming, prejudging, scolding and painting all Sanders supporters the same way. I guess you don't see the hypocrisy in your rudeness. Do you know every Sanders voter in every state, including those who don't read the NYT and haven't commented here?
I've had comments accepted here, in which I've wondered why Clinton voters do what you're doing now. The difference is, I've remembered everyone's right to speak while politely asking people to remember mutual respect, i.e., Sanders and Clinton voters.
BTW, you speak of attacks on Clinton. Clinton rebuked Trump for bigotry. I've learned that Clinton considered the late Sen. Robert Byrd a mentor. He was a Klan member and he filibustered against the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and was pro-Viet Nam. I watched her praise him on a video. That's not nonsense to me, a Black woman with Jewish relatives. Clinton also had to apologize for misspeaking when she complimented Nancy Reagan for AIDS support in the early days. I've got gay neighbors, both voters and lovely people, who were displeased. Obviously, those things are verifiable facts, not Republican talking points. I'm a registered Democrat; a regular voter, including local elections;
I've never voted Republican in my life.
3-16-16@2:43 pm
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No ethical problems here, Joe?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-a...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/24/us/cash-flowed-to-clinton-foundation-a...
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The question now is, will Sanders be another Nader? Or will he, for heaven's sake, please endorse Hillary and argue as forcefully to protect the country as he has for his ideas? Is he capable of realistic compromises?
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@CGW & @Eric S,
Thank you both for good and fair minded replies.
3-16-16@3:21 pm
Thank you both for good and fair minded replies.
3-16-16@3:21 pm
@Kostya,
Could you please clarify or give an example of what you mean? I'm not asking to be nasty. It's a genuine question. Thanks in advance, for any answers, including a link.
3--16-16@3:18 pm
Could you please clarify or give an example of what you mean? I'm not asking to be nasty. It's a genuine question. Thanks in advance, for any answers, including a link.
3--16-16@3:18 pm
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Kosta,
please give some examples to back your contention..
"repeating tired Republican attack lines..." ???
please give some examples to back your contention..
"repeating tired Republican attack lines..." ???
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A clean sweep of the March 15 primaries is a 'rebound' from losing MI by 1.5%??? Sorry, NYT - but she crushed him...he was buried and now her pledged delegate lead is almost 3 times larger than the lead Obama had over here in 2008. Call it what it was...a huge, sweeping victory for Clinton, and an overwhelming denial of Bernie's false 'revolution' narrative.
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Bernie was the only candidate willing to tell the truth and stand up to big money. It is a shame he lost and will not be the Democratic candidate. The country missed a once-in-a-lifetime chance to take the virtuous road forward.
I have learned some profound lessons from Bernie - a man who's political spirit will live with me for a long time - perhaps even the rest of my life! He has opened my eyes and energized me to make a difference where I can and to fight with integrity for those on the margin of society and for greater equality. Thank you Bernie for that! :-)
I have learned some profound lessons from Bernie - a man who's political spirit will live with me for a long time - perhaps even the rest of my life! He has opened my eyes and energized me to make a difference where I can and to fight with integrity for those on the margin of society and for greater equality. Thank you Bernie for that! :-)
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Actually in the real world Bernie worked out stuff with the military that benefitted Vermont like the F-35 that were and are considered boondoggles for the rest of us paying for it. Making Sanders a saint is just as ridiculous as making Clinton a devil.
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See the article in Politico from March 16, 2015 by Dan Metcalfe, a Hilary supporter who is the former director of the Justice Department’s Office of Information and Privacy. Although a Hillary supporter, Metcalfe outlines a clear and compelling case for why the email investigation will not go away and is more serious than the Clinton campaign admits. Again, he states he's a Clinton supporter, so don't scoff before you read the article. If she is even subpoenaed by the FBI, this could seriously damage her standing with independents.
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I am a liberal and have a PhD in Computer Science and I think the email scandal is serious. It's not a trumped up Republican hit job like Benghazi. The worst thing that could happen: she gets the nomination and then the email scandal erupts. I am guessing she - and the biased pro-Hillary NYT, Democratic party establishment, and her donors - think she has this under control.
With HIllary Clinton, that would be surprising. She doesn't seem to have been able to squach scandals very effectively. Even doubt sown in people's minds can damage her chances in the general election. Whether she is indicted or not, the appearance of guilt can hurt her. And the Republicans will not be gentlemanly like Sanders has. It will be all email all the time.
Even if I didn't favor Sanders, I wouldn't vote for Clinton in the primary because she is too risky. NYT, I don't think you did your due diligence.
With HIllary Clinton, that would be surprising. She doesn't seem to have been able to squach scandals very effectively. Even doubt sown in people's minds can damage her chances in the general election. Whether she is indicted or not, the appearance of guilt can hurt her. And the Republicans will not be gentlemanly like Sanders has. It will be all email all the time.
Even if I didn't favor Sanders, I wouldn't vote for Clinton in the primary because she is too risky. NYT, I don't think you did your due diligence.
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Since Bernie can't win I will have to vote for Trump. My democrat friends in Boston are all for Trump and they bring up good points: Trump is like Bernie that will not be owned by lobbyist and banks. Trump has always been about ego and the Trump name. He will do what ever he can to make sure his name in history is like the Beatles to music. He owns hotels to golf courses, etc all over the world. Does he want to ever hurt his image? No. He will truly try to give America the best image we had since Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan Days. If Democrats want something to make America better and Republicans don't Trump doesn't care if you are a republican against it or a Democrat for it he will do the best thing for people and business such as maternity leave. Hillary meanwhile will be the same as it has been. Trump has the best chance to make people feel like we are the greatest country again like we did during Regan and some of Bills time. Unions are all going for Trump from teamsters to police and fire. You will see more and more unions which voted democrat going for Trump. The guy has the better potential to fix things. And look at Trumps tax plan. It is better for lower income people than Bernies or Hillarys. He's going to always want to look good for everyone in the end. Its just his character. Read his books. Now that Bernie can't win and learning more about Trump he's our best chance to make a better difference than Hillary for sure.
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This is ludicrous if you know any women. The Supreme Court is actually important unfortunately to half the population.
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My God what an awful idea! If Trump, or worse, Cruze wins we WILL see internment camps filled with people like me who are viewed as not real Americans already by those yahoos. Hold your nose and vote for Hillary then go home and shower in Lysol.
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Your argument suggests that President Trump would be good because he would "own" America. There are many names for such a figure: strongman, caudillo, demagogue, despot. That's what you want because you don't like Hillary?
And I'm sorry, but perhaps you need more education on the Trump brand. He does not own very many properties -- his business is licensing -- and the brand itself is not well respected. Most everyone in the luxury space agrees that the name stands for nouveau riche tackiness.
And I'm sorry, but perhaps you need more education on the Trump brand. He does not own very many properties -- his business is licensing -- and the brand itself is not well respected. Most everyone in the luxury space agrees that the name stands for nouveau riche tackiness.
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I guess there are some Clinton voters who understand it's fair to have a choice in the primaries. But will the others please stop blaming Bernie Sanders in advance if she loses in November!?!?
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@AFR,
Things have gotten increasingly crazy and hostile, haven't they? Including Trump and what appears to be some sort of quasi-gang element among some of his voters?
So many seem unwilling or unable even to agree to disagree in a civilized, mutually respectful way. It's sad, painful. And, apart from everything else, judging from comments I've read and publications from around the world, we're making ourselves look terrible in the global community.
I just hope it doesn't get worse but I'm afraid it will.
3-16-16@3:35 pm
Things have gotten increasingly crazy and hostile, haven't they? Including Trump and what appears to be some sort of quasi-gang element among some of his voters?
So many seem unwilling or unable even to agree to disagree in a civilized, mutually respectful way. It's sad, painful. And, apart from everything else, judging from comments I've read and publications from around the world, we're making ourselves look terrible in the global community.
I just hope it doesn't get worse but I'm afraid it will.
3-16-16@3:35 pm
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News flash to NY Times: Hillary wins Missouri!
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It would appear that Sanders political strategists made a major blunder.
Why does the campaign continually minimize Bernie's important role as a civil activist while a student at the University of Chicago in the early 1960s?
A kid from Brooklyn comes to Chicago and protests segregation and inequality in the Chicago Public School system, and gets arrested in 1963.
Most campaign strategists could only dream to have a candidate with that history of social activism.
Simultaneously, during this period Donald in all likelihood was exploring Vietnam service draft deferment strategy's.
This is from yesterday regarding Sanders 1963 arrest in Chicago:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/March-2016/B...
Why does the campaign continually minimize Bernie's important role as a civil activist while a student at the University of Chicago in the early 1960s?
A kid from Brooklyn comes to Chicago and protests segregation and inequality in the Chicago Public School system, and gets arrested in 1963.
Most campaign strategists could only dream to have a candidate with that history of social activism.
Simultaneously, during this period Donald in all likelihood was exploring Vietnam service draft deferment strategy's.
This is from yesterday regarding Sanders 1963 arrest in Chicago:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/March-2016/B...
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Oddly, Bill Clinton decided to go elsewhere other than his local draft board so your actual point is what exactly. That blacks don't like Bernie why I don't know perhaps they've drunk massive amount of Clinton Juice to overlook Bernie's dedication to the Civil Rights Movement of their forbears and that Trump dodged the draft like many before him, including a US President.
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Bernie is not out. The vast majority of the high-delegate, progressive states are yet to come and people should know better than to call the race just because the DNC orders the primaries in a way that favors their picks. Will Bernie have to have some big wins? Yes, but the math is not fantastical, unless no superdelegates will switch under any circumstances.
As for November, the thinking that Clinton will fare better against Trump than Sanders is patently fallacious. Clinton is a exact embodiment, in more concentrated form, of what has propelled Trump to his primary victories. In a general election against Clinton, Trump will pound on Bengazi - the deaths, the privileged attitude about emails. He will pound on Iraq, on TPP, on NAFTA, on Walmart, on Wall Street and big money campaign donors. He will pound on her flip flops, and ridicule her parsed bureaucrat-speak while he paints a bright picture about success - at home. She will be on the defensive the whole time and he is going to look like hes having a party, because he will be having a party - the party that many Americans has been waiting for - not the Democrats, not the Republicans, but seeing establishment politicians get replaced by someone who is one of them.
As for November, the thinking that Clinton will fare better against Trump than Sanders is patently fallacious. Clinton is a exact embodiment, in more concentrated form, of what has propelled Trump to his primary victories. In a general election against Clinton, Trump will pound on Bengazi - the deaths, the privileged attitude about emails. He will pound on Iraq, on TPP, on NAFTA, on Walmart, on Wall Street and big money campaign donors. He will pound on her flip flops, and ridicule her parsed bureaucrat-speak while he paints a bright picture about success - at home. She will be on the defensive the whole time and he is going to look like hes having a party, because he will be having a party - the party that many Americans has been waiting for - not the Democrats, not the Republicans, but seeing establishment politicians get replaced by someone who is one of them.
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Sadly, the media is working to ensure that future voters will give up on Sanders.
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The super delegate rhetoric is complete propaganda. No super delegate has ever cast a vote in a convention, and it isn't their job to decide a victor. Their only purpose is to be a backup against a late scandal that might embarrass the party, such as a federal indictment. They are not charged with overturning the will of the voters. They could just as easily switch allegiance to Bernie if he shows that the voters prefer him. If they do otherwise, it will be the end of the Democrat party, just as a brokered convention to avoid a Trump victory will be the end of the GOP.
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Despite the media's hysteria, Clinton didn't actually lose Michigan. She won more delegates. Therefore she won Michigan.
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Hillary Clinton`s accomplishments besides being totally owned by Wall St & AIPAC ???
Even HRC couldn`t recall any accomplishments as Sec of State (there were none). Eg
1/Adesnik, David. "Hillary Can't Name Top Accomplishment As Secretary of State." Forbes. 10 June 2014.
2/ Landler, Mary and Amy Chozick. "Hillary Clinton Struggles to Define a Legacy in Progress." The New York Times. 29 June 2004.
3/Politico. 2013-- even many of her most ardent defenders recognize Hillary Clinton had no signal accomplishment at the State Department to her name, no indelible peace sealed with her handshake, no war averted, no nuclear crisis defused. especially since that Kerry took on the diplomatic challenges that Clinton either couldn’t or wouldn’t—from negotiating a potentially historic nuclear deal with Iran to seeking a revived Mideast peace process.
4/Forbes June 2014, Last night, Diane Sawyer asked Hillary Clinton a question that should’ve come as no surprise: What significant things did she accomplish during her four years as Secretary of State? What’s surprising is that Hillary didn’t even attempt to answer the question. She just changed the subject. The Washington Post reported:
HRC represents Wall St & AIPAC not the American people.
Even HRC couldn`t recall any accomplishments as Sec of State (there were none). Eg
1/Adesnik, David. "Hillary Can't Name Top Accomplishment As Secretary of State." Forbes. 10 June 2014.
2/ Landler, Mary and Amy Chozick. "Hillary Clinton Struggles to Define a Legacy in Progress." The New York Times. 29 June 2004.
3/Politico. 2013-- even many of her most ardent defenders recognize Hillary Clinton had no signal accomplishment at the State Department to her name, no indelible peace sealed with her handshake, no war averted, no nuclear crisis defused. especially since that Kerry took on the diplomatic challenges that Clinton either couldn’t or wouldn’t—from negotiating a potentially historic nuclear deal with Iran to seeking a revived Mideast peace process.
4/Forbes June 2014, Last night, Diane Sawyer asked Hillary Clinton a question that should’ve come as no surprise: What significant things did she accomplish during her four years as Secretary of State? What’s surprising is that Hillary didn’t even attempt to answer the question. She just changed the subject. The Washington Post reported:
HRC represents Wall St & AIPAC not the American people.
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Forgot to mention she received a huge chunk of change to her "foundation" from a Russian biz man, and a host of other deeds.
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If she is elected President, the voters whom elected and trust her, will find all this out, soon enough as the status quo continues and the electorate wonders why nothing will really change. She is the wife of Bill Clinton and the lackey of her influential donors.
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We needed Bernie Sanders but we are getting Hillary Clinton.
Since I now do not see any way for Bernie to ultimately win the nominating race I will, after this comment, no longer ask others to vote for him nor talk of the many many reason I do not like Hillary. After this comment.
But if I feel that Oregon will definitely go for Clinton in November I will write Bernie's name in.
Bernie, thank you for being the first person in my lifetime to run for President for the reasons that I have always hoped someone would. To bring about a true non-class, non-wealth based democracy to this nation. You took the "well of course I'm your nominee" sheen right off Ms. Clinton's face. Even after the NYT, The Big "D" Democratic establishment and Wall Street endorsed her.
You were the only one that could have done that. Thank you. You should be our next president but alas it seems it was not mean't to be.
Now to Ms. Clinton: Hillary, I've never really liked you and I know that deep inside you are just another politician. The Nancy Reagan comment the other day proved it once again. Try not to cater to much to the wealthy and powerful, nor be too divisive if you should be elected, please. And good luck against the Trump Juggernaut. He is truly the only reason why I modestly endorse you now.
He would be an unparalleled disaster for us.
Again, Thank You Bernie. You are a class act and I wished we had a mature enough nation to understand that you would make a great president.
Since I now do not see any way for Bernie to ultimately win the nominating race I will, after this comment, no longer ask others to vote for him nor talk of the many many reason I do not like Hillary. After this comment.
But if I feel that Oregon will definitely go for Clinton in November I will write Bernie's name in.
Bernie, thank you for being the first person in my lifetime to run for President for the reasons that I have always hoped someone would. To bring about a true non-class, non-wealth based democracy to this nation. You took the "well of course I'm your nominee" sheen right off Ms. Clinton's face. Even after the NYT, The Big "D" Democratic establishment and Wall Street endorsed her.
You were the only one that could have done that. Thank you. You should be our next president but alas it seems it was not mean't to be.
Now to Ms. Clinton: Hillary, I've never really liked you and I know that deep inside you are just another politician. The Nancy Reagan comment the other day proved it once again. Try not to cater to much to the wealthy and powerful, nor be too divisive if you should be elected, please. And good luck against the Trump Juggernaut. He is truly the only reason why I modestly endorse you now.
He would be an unparalleled disaster for us.
Again, Thank You Bernie. You are a class act and I wished we had a mature enough nation to understand that you would make a great president.
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What is the most important issue in this presidential election?
First what it's not. It's not about Free Trade, or Wall Street, or Unions, or super PACs.
It's about NOT electing a republican president. A republican presidential victory coupled with a republican House and Senate will mean the dismantling of 80 years of slow and painful progress since the New Deal; dismantling social security, integration, economic justice, women's rights, and countless other social and economic issues.
We cannot afford to bet the farm on a completely unelectable Bernie Sanders. Coming from an almost all white state, he has almost no support in the Black community because they don't know who he is. Likewise for the Hispanic community. And without them he can't win. In a recent skit on Saturday Night Live he corrected Larry David and proclaimed himself not a socialist, but a Democratic Socialist. Not a nice move on his part in connecting democrat and socialist; this will cost several percentage points in the election.
Does Sanders want to be cast in the same class as Ralph Nader who handed the 2000 election to G. W. Bush? Does he want to be another George McGovern and lose 49 states? Sanders needs to stop attacking Hillary Clinton and concentrate on preventing a republican presidential victory, which his candidacy would assure.
First what it's not. It's not about Free Trade, or Wall Street, or Unions, or super PACs.
It's about NOT electing a republican president. A republican presidential victory coupled with a republican House and Senate will mean the dismantling of 80 years of slow and painful progress since the New Deal; dismantling social security, integration, economic justice, women's rights, and countless other social and economic issues.
We cannot afford to bet the farm on a completely unelectable Bernie Sanders. Coming from an almost all white state, he has almost no support in the Black community because they don't know who he is. Likewise for the Hispanic community. And without them he can't win. In a recent skit on Saturday Night Live he corrected Larry David and proclaimed himself not a socialist, but a Democratic Socialist. Not a nice move on his part in connecting democrat and socialist; this will cost several percentage points in the election.
Does Sanders want to be cast in the same class as Ralph Nader who handed the 2000 election to G. W. Bush? Does he want to be another George McGovern and lose 49 states? Sanders needs to stop attacking Hillary Clinton and concentrate on preventing a republican presidential victory, which his candidacy would assure.
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@MzF,
Because they don't know who he is? Oh really? Tell that that to my mom, who'd doing voter registration for him now. Tell that to one of his delegates, a deep chocolate Haitian American lady. Also, with my soon to be cornrowed afro and my skin, trust me, I'm Black. And there are more like me, including Asian Americans, Latinos and Latinas, IF you care to observe and reach out more.
Thanks to your comment I understand why someone else asked Clinton voters to stop the "Nader" anticipatory blaming; judging, etc., of Sanders. He's already said he won't run as an Independent if Clinton gets the nomination. Anyway, the primaries aren't over yet. You might at least consider respecting the part of the process we're in right now.
3-16-16@4:07 pm
Because they don't know who he is? Oh really? Tell that that to my mom, who'd doing voter registration for him now. Tell that to one of his delegates, a deep chocolate Haitian American lady. Also, with my soon to be cornrowed afro and my skin, trust me, I'm Black. And there are more like me, including Asian Americans, Latinos and Latinas, IF you care to observe and reach out more.
Thanks to your comment I understand why someone else asked Clinton voters to stop the "Nader" anticipatory blaming; judging, etc., of Sanders. He's already said he won't run as an Independent if Clinton gets the nomination. Anyway, the primaries aren't over yet. You might at least consider respecting the part of the process we're in right now.
3-16-16@4:07 pm
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Let democracy be and let Sanders continue his run we have hope
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If we have to look out for our country, why does it have to be a democrat? It should be about the best person. Clearly, the best people in order would be Sanders, Trump (he has all the money, he doesn't even have to run. He is doing this because he loves his country), Kasich and then would come Hillary (may be over Cruz)
If the media gave him time, he would explain his policies. They are busy covering Trump's juicy steaks and Hillary's media strategists.
If the media gave him time, he would explain his policies. They are busy covering Trump's juicy steaks and Hillary's media strategists.
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With the win in Michigan last week I thought Sanders was getting wind beneath his wings,so to speak. But Clinton's Illinois and Ohio wins pretty much seals allof it for her, and puts to rest that narrative that she can't win white working class voters.
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Sanders isn't done yet. He can win in many of the upcoming states.
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Mrs. Clinton will owe great thanks to Senator Sanders. In the end, his strong primary challenge has made her a better candidate, prevented charges of a party coronation and reflects positively on the Democratic Party as a place for mature policy discussions. Meanwhile the Republicans and their likely nominee engage in language and behavior not tolerated by most pre-school teachers.
All this is good for the United States.
All this is good for the United States.
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@Pedro G,
Prevent charges of a party coronation?Though I haven't, many other people have been doing that for a long time now? Where have you been?
3-16-16@4:09 pm
Prevent charges of a party coronation?Though I haven't, many other people have been doing that for a long time now? Where have you been?
3-16-16@4:09 pm
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Prepare for the blame game if Hillary loses the general. It can be seen in many comments calling out Bernie supporters if the Democratic party does not keep the white house.
The thing is, Bernie is not a spoiler. Bernie's supporters cannot be blamed for Clinton's improprieties.
This is looking very scary. Under investigation by the FBI on multiple accounts. Unreleased $300k/hr Wall St. transcripts. Very low likability polling and very high untrustworthy polling. Simply put, not a good candidate with so many skeletons in the closet.
The thing is, Bernie is not a spoiler. Bernie's supporters cannot be blamed for Clinton's improprieties.
This is looking very scary. Under investigation by the FBI on multiple accounts. Unreleased $300k/hr Wall St. transcripts. Very low likability polling and very high untrustworthy polling. Simply put, not a good candidate with so many skeletons in the closet.
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What about a candidate who spend his honeymoon in the Communist USSR and leans atheist...how do you think this will go over in the general election? Or a candidate who wants to raise taxes by trillions? Really, you think people will go for this??? You need to leave the Pinot Noir and cheese of Wallawalla and venture out on your state's highways - look at all the religious fundamentalist signs everywhere or the signs declaring Obama a Muslim...
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Nearly 40% of the people voted for Clinton don't trust her. I would not vote for a person whom I don't trust. As they say, a known enemy is better than an unknown friend. The establishment failed America. This election is about establishment versus non-establishment. Vote for the candidate and not to the party.
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Cross-over Dems, the key to Hillary's win in Ohio, evidently hated Trump more than they loved Sanders. For their massive move to the dark side, they just may have forced America to inherit the wind and a windbag for President. Only a Sanders sweep in the remaining races can now prevent the American tragedy and colossal disaster of a Trump presidency.
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Fascinating comments. It is not a stretch to see why the trumpster is where he is. People want simple- people want black and white/ good and bad no fluffy explanations. The problem is going to be how to avoid a republican in the white house. I only hope that people come to realize this ultimate choice is not worth throwing away on a third party
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Congratulations Hillary!!!! Clean Sweep!!!! I look at her and she is older than I am and 'Im like wow, its midnight and she is still going. She researches and they throw more mud and they just rinse it off and move forward. She will be formidable World Leader!! the USA's Thatcher it will be an amazing time ahead. I look forward to her presidency!!! I will go to the nomination, I will support her ideas. and I will be so proud to vote for HER!!!
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USAs Thatcher? Hmm, considering Thatcher brought the UK out of its economic doldrums by building a large arms industry, I am not sure that is a good example.
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Getting a bit tired of the "it's math" argument. This is not a case as in 2008 when HRC and BHO were both winning a variety of states, large and small, diverse and not so diverse, etc. with both getting a nearly equal share of votes and one getting more delegates because Obama's team was comprised of ingenious delegate strategists. It was still a fair election. One candidate out-maneuvered the other but he still won fair and square in a nail-biter.
No. Hillary Clinton is winning far more states by large, large margins and this is why she is prohibitively ahead in the delegate count. She is beating him almost 2-1 in the popular vote and she is ahead 2-1 in the pledged delegate count (the super delegates don't even matter anymore).
Clinton isn't winning because of complicated delegate rules. She's winning because she's winning.
No. Hillary Clinton is winning far more states by large, large margins and this is why she is prohibitively ahead in the delegate count. She is beating him almost 2-1 in the popular vote and she is ahead 2-1 in the pledged delegate count (the super delegates don't even matter anymore).
Clinton isn't winning because of complicated delegate rules. She's winning because she's winning.
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Bernie came late to the party (more ways than one). If you are someone who spends less than 1 hour a day on the internet, use your phone only for calls and texts and get your news from the 11 pm news hour on TV, Bernie is a relative stranger or interloper or Johnny come lately (especially if you don't live in New England). There are many who fit this bill, across the country. It will take a few more years on the national stage to gain traction . Also Bernie could not dispel the myth that socialism=communism.
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Well, considering the fact that most of the western industrialized world falls under the description as democratic socialists, I guess the only country that is not communist is America.
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It is incredible to watch history unfold, and, with Trump as the likely nominee, to see how fate is arranging all the pieces to elect the first woman president. That IS a revolution!
Bernie should continue as long as he wants in order to keep the conversation lively -- but he should refrain immediately from his "Bernie Slanders," which come right out of the Republican playbook, and will only help Trump in the end, God forbid.
Bernie should continue as long as he wants in order to keep the conversation lively -- but he should refrain immediately from his "Bernie Slanders," which come right out of the Republican playbook, and will only help Trump in the end, God forbid.
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After supporting Bernie Sanders for his vision of a better and certainly more fair America, I watched him be dismissed by voters in favor of the establishment candidate Hillary Clinton.
I have come to the sad conclusion that it just may be that the people of this country just want to continue with the status quo.
The Republicans vote for Trump because he is "an outsider" when in reality he is and has been an insider his whole life. They buy into his con about helping them even though he has defrauded people through his business dealings and I don't quite fathom how evangelicals support a thrice married candidate with no deep religious ties but somehow they do.
The Democrats agree with Mr. Sanders on the issues and know that he is right about the gross inequality taking place but have decided to hold their noses and vote for Mrs. Clinton. She is a flawed candidate with an investigation hanging over her head and wrongheaded votes on trade agreements and the Iraq War. She was instrumental in the disaster that is Libya and has taken large amounts from Wall Street for speeches and for her campaign while talking about being a reformer of the financial system.
These are our two candidates for president thanks to the votes of my fellow citizens. I will sit out this election as I do not see myself voting for either one of them. I think it is time for this country to have more choices than those offered by the current political parties but I don't see that happening any time soon.
I have come to the sad conclusion that it just may be that the people of this country just want to continue with the status quo.
The Republicans vote for Trump because he is "an outsider" when in reality he is and has been an insider his whole life. They buy into his con about helping them even though he has defrauded people through his business dealings and I don't quite fathom how evangelicals support a thrice married candidate with no deep religious ties but somehow they do.
The Democrats agree with Mr. Sanders on the issues and know that he is right about the gross inequality taking place but have decided to hold their noses and vote for Mrs. Clinton. She is a flawed candidate with an investigation hanging over her head and wrongheaded votes on trade agreements and the Iraq War. She was instrumental in the disaster that is Libya and has taken large amounts from Wall Street for speeches and for her campaign while talking about being a reformer of the financial system.
These are our two candidates for president thanks to the votes of my fellow citizens. I will sit out this election as I do not see myself voting for either one of them. I think it is time for this country to have more choices than those offered by the current political parties but I don't see that happening any time soon.
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A few corrections: Where you say "Americans" I would suggest instead saying "just over half of Americans" (so far); and when you say "the electorate" I would suggest "the mainstream media, Republicans, and the Clinton campaign." Please do not blame all of us.
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What I have surmised during this entire primary process is that what Americans really believe they want and what they actually do is two very different things. Despite the claims of some, polls indicate that Americans, overall, are quite progressive in their wants and needs, i.e. universal health care, education that is much more accessible, more stringent gun control, higher minimum wages, removing money from politics, advancing social security, etc, etc.
For the first time in decades, like him or not, there is a progressive candidate that actually believes what he says without any doubts whatsoever and not subject to the whims of donors, yet, the electorate than continually comes up with the excuses stating he is not electable nor could he carry through with his agenda ultimately staying with the familiar and status quo.
I wonder at what point American voters will actually do something about the situation and stop constantly complaining that their government is only answerable to big money and not them?
For the first time in decades, like him or not, there is a progressive candidate that actually believes what he says without any doubts whatsoever and not subject to the whims of donors, yet, the electorate than continually comes up with the excuses stating he is not electable nor could he carry through with his agenda ultimately staying with the familiar and status quo.
I wonder at what point American voters will actually do something about the situation and stop constantly complaining that their government is only answerable to big money and not them?
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Several commenters here have suggested that Secretary Clinton offer Senator Sanders the vice presidency, should she win the Demoncratic nomination. I think this a gracious suggestion and with all due respect to Senator Sanders, I have a different suggestion - Congressman Joaquin Castro. Mind you, this is not hispandering. And full disclosure, I am part Mexican. But I have been very taken with the life story of the Castros beginning with their mother. These are hard working people. Determined people. Patriotic people. I also think it is time for an injection of youth into our Democratic party. Think beyond Hillary's 2 terms as President. I think Congressman Castro would be an excellent VP and he would then be well positioned for the presidency himself. It's just a thought. Here is a link to his web page.
http://castro.house.gov
Christina Lopez Robison
http://castro.house.gov
Christina Lopez Robison
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With all due respect to Mr. Sanders and no respect to Mrs. Clinton, if Mr. Sanders accepts the VP post, I will lose all respect for him. I do not expect him to suck up to a person with no principles and whose objective function is to maximize her wealth (through the banks) her foundation's wealth (through the banks) and her daughters wealth (through the banks)
Joaquin Castro can have the vice presidency - remember with Sanders you may have the choice of Tulsi Gabbard or Nina Turner, candidates much superior than Mrs. Clinton in terms of character, service, and accomplishments.
Joaquin Castro can have the vice presidency - remember with Sanders you may have the choice of Tulsi Gabbard or Nina Turner, candidates much superior than Mrs. Clinton in terms of character, service, and accomplishments.
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If Bernie runs as an independent I'll vote for him. At this point in human history we need a revolution to save the human species. If he's not on the ballot I'll write him in. If I can't write him in I'll vote for Trump and watch the world burn. Maybe that's what's needed to wake everyone up.
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People are making a huge mistake in not voting for Bernie. Hillary can't beat Trump. Sanders could, because they both tap into the same anger--Sanders is just more constructive. Hillary is business-as-usual, and Trump and Sanders are both proving that nobody wants that.
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Agree that Old Bernie is angry. His red face and waving hands are scary. I hope his HUGE loss to Hillary doesn't give him a stroke or a heart attack.
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As a supporter of Bernie,through my state's March 26 caucus,I hope he'll be careful not to "raise questions " about Hillary's ability to win the Presidency in such a way and to such an extent that itself hurts her chance to do so.As much as I still prefer Bernie over Hillary,just as important to me is keeping the GOP nominee out of the White House,whether our nominee is Bernie or Hillary.What would especially make that a disaster is the likelihood that the GOP would also keep control of both Houses of Congress.Which is why I think it's time Bernie begin focusing more on his differences with the GOP candidates and less on those with Hillary.
There's a real opportunity here for we Liberals,whether we have Bernie or Hillary go up against the GOP nominee;thanks to Trump's loss in Ohio,it appears the best odds are now a deadlocked GOP Convention,with no one having won the majority of delegates.That will make what happened Friday in Chicago look like a love fest.The GOP is just so screwed.I hope we don't blow that by Bernie turning his candidacy into little more than a grudge match against Hillary,especially in the eventual instance she clinches the nomination,which chance last night greatly increased.
There's a real opportunity here for we Liberals,whether we have Bernie or Hillary go up against the GOP nominee;thanks to Trump's loss in Ohio,it appears the best odds are now a deadlocked GOP Convention,with no one having won the majority of delegates.That will make what happened Friday in Chicago look like a love fest.The GOP is just so screwed.I hope we don't blow that by Bernie turning his candidacy into little more than a grudge match against Hillary,especially in the eventual instance she clinches the nomination,which chance last night greatly increased.
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I support Bernie Sanders and will continue to support him as long as he stays in the race. But I also agree with what Jeff from Chicago said about Hillary Clinton:
She is resilient and fierce, in addition to being preternaturally smart. All the more remarkable is her ability to accomplish all this as a woman going head to head with a majority male dominated group of political peers and adversaries. A strong and smart woman as POTUS, leader of the free world, would be entirely transformative and inspire legions of young girls and women across the globe.
Hillary Clinton is NOT the equivalent of Richard Nixon--Nero or Genghis Khan, as other commenters have said. Fellow Bernie supporters, please don't let disappointment blind you.
She is resilient and fierce, in addition to being preternaturally smart. All the more remarkable is her ability to accomplish all this as a woman going head to head with a majority male dominated group of political peers and adversaries. A strong and smart woman as POTUS, leader of the free world, would be entirely transformative and inspire legions of young girls and women across the globe.
Hillary Clinton is NOT the equivalent of Richard Nixon--Nero or Genghis Khan, as other commenters have said. Fellow Bernie supporters, please don't let disappointment blind you.
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I just came across an interesting article about the results in Massachusetts.
Hand-counted precincts went strongly for Bernie. Same thing happened in a race for governor there.
http://sweetremedy.tv/electionnightmares/2016/03/06/although-clinton-won...
Hand-counted precincts went strongly for Bernie. Same thing happened in a race for governor there.
http://sweetremedy.tv/electionnightmares/2016/03/06/although-clinton-won...
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Clinton is NOT, and NEVER HAS BEEN, presidential material. She was named Sec. of State by Obama in exchange for the Clinton's support of his bid for the presidency. What a waste.
I am sick and tired of inexperienced people - put in office because of favors.
Trump is the man -- it is refreshing that he tells the American like it is -- no political jargon - no talking out of both sides of his mouth.
I am sick and tired of inexperienced people - put in office because of favors.
Trump is the man -- it is refreshing that he tells the American like it is -- no political jargon - no talking out of both sides of his mouth.
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Devolving into racism and xenophobia is not refreshing.
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Despite Sec. Clinton's many primary wins, maybe I'm mistaken, but I have never seen her hedge fund son-in-law, whose fund Lloyd Blankfein of Goldman Sachs has invested in, on the stage celebrating with her.
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I am resigning myself to a Clinton nomination. Last night clinched it for me, though there was no real indication that it was ever not going to be a Clinton nomination. I am so happy to see how tight of a race Sanders made it, even so, as big media, the DNC, and the powers-that-be seemed all too willing to give no one else a chance. I would have loved it if it felt like there really was a choice in the Democratic party nominee, alas, it never did. Thank you Sanders for making your voice heard by many more, than others likely expected. In superficial terms, it seems it may have been for naught, but it has large groups of people talking about subjects that need to be discussed. Clinton will have her hands very full. It will not be an easy road into the White House, or in, but as someone who has lived in the White House for 2 terms before, I think she knows more of what to expect than any of the other potential nominees.
Pick a quality VP, and once in nominate quality Supreme Court judges should the opportunity arise, and I will vote for Congress members that will work hard for the rights, and welfare, of the People of the United States. That's all I can hope for it appears.
Pick a quality VP, and once in nominate quality Supreme Court judges should the opportunity arise, and I will vote for Congress members that will work hard for the rights, and welfare, of the People of the United States. That's all I can hope for it appears.
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The Democratic race between the wants of the haves and the needs of the havenots is for all intents and purposes over. Congratulations to the Hillary supporters who have prevailed and now we can all look forward to 4 more years of polarizing gridlock in Washington. The Democratic establishment train is back on track and you can now go back to blaming those terrible and evil Republicans. The familiar smell of fear politics is pungent once again. This is a great night and a vindication for the Democratic elite - they just made their donor class very happy! You Hillary supporters seem relieved because for a minute there, it looked like the socialist might win and he would have tried to restore wealth & economic equality and get money out of politics.
The Republican establishment (what's left of it) and the Democratic establishment refuse to believe that the majority of Americans are not happy with politics as usual, where politicians repeatedly demonstrate that the needs and wants of the wealthy are superior to those of middle class and the growing number of people living in or near poverty.
Even though Hillary won my state and every contiguous state, these winner take all Red states will go 100% Republican. That's thanks to the power of the Electoral College and excessive gerrymandering which ensures that with every presidential election, democracy is a misnomer and the will of the people is circumvented. The status quo prevails again!! 9:50 EST
The Republican establishment (what's left of it) and the Democratic establishment refuse to believe that the majority of Americans are not happy with politics as usual, where politicians repeatedly demonstrate that the needs and wants of the wealthy are superior to those of middle class and the growing number of people living in or near poverty.
Even though Hillary won my state and every contiguous state, these winner take all Red states will go 100% Republican. That's thanks to the power of the Electoral College and excessive gerrymandering which ensures that with every presidential election, democracy is a misnomer and the will of the people is circumvented. The status quo prevails again!! 9:50 EST
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HRC supporters tell us to lose our ideals and support the practical politician. I have to ask myself where does this childlike faith in practical politics come from? It's easier to change the two party system than it is to change the constitution.
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Americans don't get good choices, because it's clear that would prevent those whose only goal is to amass personal power and privilege from winning.
Americans like winners, but far too many of us vote as if winning the election is the only thing that counts, forgetting we'll have to put up with that choice for 4 years. It's like a electoral binge drunk, followed by a 4 year political hangover. Then our buddies talk us into another round of partying.
Americans can't have nice things, because we're too busy making sure some fat cats don't get their taxes raised. We regularly vote against our best interests and rarely learn from our mistakes. In Illinois, we should know better, since we seem to do this in virtually every election. When a decent candidate somehow beats the system and gets into office, bizarrely enough they get blamed when the system they fought to change fails again and they are promptly voted from office. Google Pat Quinn Illinois governor for an example.
Yes, Clinton won Illinois. So did Trump. Gotta keep our record of dumb choices of people we know are going to betray us alive. It's obvious we're in for 4 more years of the same -- or worse. They tell us change is good when they lay us off, send our jobs overseas, refuse to fund basic public services found in every other modern industrial country -- except when it comes to changing the system that never changes and rarely offers even a choice to do that. Disgust the voters & drive them away. Infinity FAIL.
Americans like winners, but far too many of us vote as if winning the election is the only thing that counts, forgetting we'll have to put up with that choice for 4 years. It's like a electoral binge drunk, followed by a 4 year political hangover. Then our buddies talk us into another round of partying.
Americans can't have nice things, because we're too busy making sure some fat cats don't get their taxes raised. We regularly vote against our best interests and rarely learn from our mistakes. In Illinois, we should know better, since we seem to do this in virtually every election. When a decent candidate somehow beats the system and gets into office, bizarrely enough they get blamed when the system they fought to change fails again and they are promptly voted from office. Google Pat Quinn Illinois governor for an example.
Yes, Clinton won Illinois. So did Trump. Gotta keep our record of dumb choices of people we know are going to betray us alive. It's obvious we're in for 4 more years of the same -- or worse. They tell us change is good when they lay us off, send our jobs overseas, refuse to fund basic public services found in every other modern industrial country -- except when it comes to changing the system that never changes and rarely offers even a choice to do that. Disgust the voters & drive them away. Infinity FAIL.
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Hillary is a panderer for votes. She will do and say anything to get elected. Remember, Democrats, this is the same woman who somehow turned $1000 into $100,000 in a single year with a shady investment in cattle futures when Bill Clinton was the governor of Arkansas. And the same woman who broke federal law by sending and receiving confidential government e-mails on her personal server, and then lied about it to Congress. And the same woman who was adamantly against gay marriage before she reversed course to get the gay vote. And the same woman who lied about the cause of the deaths of 4 U.S. citizens in Benghazi. And the same woman who voted full voice for the Iraq war. And the same woman who was for the Keystone pipeline but reversed her position as liberals came out against it. And the same woman who charges the U.S. government monthly rent for the Secret Service guard house on her Chappaqua property which was built with U.S. taxpayer money to proect her. And the same woman who eulogized Senator Robert "KKK" Byrd as her mentor and idol. The list goes on, but Democrats who will mindlessly vote for her just refuse to accept reality.
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The probable nominees of the Democratic and Republican parties are poor in quality and frankly unacceptable. Let's do the hard work right now during this election cycle and put our energies into building something new. Maybe a new political party or push for a new electoral system? All I know is that I am done with holding my nose and voting for lousy offerings from these two parties.
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It's time for Bernie supporters to think of the country rather than just themselves. As Bernie says, "We're all in this together." I am a fervent Bernie supporter, but also believe that we have to compromise and come together as a whole to collectively defeat a very dangerous demagogue who will truly destroy our nation and our relationships with the world. And that demagogue is Donald Trump. That means folks - if Bernie doesn't make it in the primaries - don't stay home and pout - you should vote in the fall perhaps for one you feel is not the best candidate, but one who is certainly not the worst: Hillary Clinton. Politics is all about compromise. And then after that, start volunteering, contacting your local congressperson and putting Bernie's ideals and yours in the forefront. You want single-payer medical insurance? Free or affordable college education? Citizens United overturned??????? Fight for it and continue fighting for it. Don't just give up because your candidate didn't make it to the presidency. Bernie will always be there - in spirit - if you give it your all - after the election - and years beyond that. Change doesn't happen overnight.
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I am sick and tired of hearing we need to defeat Trump. If people want Trump, they should get Trump - this is a democracy, for god's sake.
We will make our choices on what we feel is the best choice and let the chips fall where they fall. In fact, I will write Bernie in because I feel that my voice however small should be heard.
We will make our choices on what we feel is the best choice and let the chips fall where they fall. In fact, I will write Bernie in because I feel that my voice however small should be heard.
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Perhaps it's time to ask the same of the Clinton's.....all of them. The woman is a career opportunist and looks out for herself, Slick Willy and Chelsea. If you think for one minute that she actually cares for you I've got a really pretty Bridge to sell ya in Brooklyn. Cheap. She's been bought and paid for by, well name any large corporate institution. That's who she has aligned herself with, wait till they want payback. I will not sell my soul to vote for this avowed liar and crook.
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Emma: yes, you hate Clinton. Why not use your NYT comment real estate to say something that furthers the discussion rather than tired and cliche-ridden talking points that are not cited?
Tell us about the Brooklyn Bridge- it would be infinitely more interesting to read!
Tell us about the Brooklyn Bridge- it would be infinitely more interesting to read!
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Good luck madam all the best wishing you success and victory
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Well, it's fascinating to see and read about how the "me-generation" candidates appear to a broader populous of potential voters.
As a woman, I think Hillary, without overtly making women's rights an issue, reaps the strongest hand: even in light of the fact that Bernie supporter's swing to his platform's expertly designed digital communications and "we-generation" ethos.
Let's face it, republican or democrat, we all know that the 1% Bernie criticizes is suggestive of a group of predominantly white males over 50. If you were a female trying desperately to make headway in such an environment, how would you do it? By running as an outsider? Are we forgetting the tale of Robin Hood and Lady Marian?
As a woman, I think Hillary, without overtly making women's rights an issue, reaps the strongest hand: even in light of the fact that Bernie supporter's swing to his platform's expertly designed digital communications and "we-generation" ethos.
Let's face it, republican or democrat, we all know that the 1% Bernie criticizes is suggestive of a group of predominantly white males over 50. If you were a female trying desperately to make headway in such an environment, how would you do it? By running as an outsider? Are we forgetting the tale of Robin Hood and Lady Marian?
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One wonders where that tsunami of revolutionary voters we keep hearing about was hiding last night.
After all, Sanders and his supporters keep telling us that there will be a tsunami of voters, sweeping him into office and washing Congress clean.
Yet--and this is with a loudmouthed plutocrat like Trump right there in front, screaming--no tsunami.
Where's the tsunami, revolutionaries?
After all, Sanders and his supporters keep telling us that there will be a tsunami of voters, sweeping him into office and washing Congress clean.
Yet--and this is with a loudmouthed plutocrat like Trump right there in front, screaming--no tsunami.
Where's the tsunami, revolutionaries?
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The revolutionaries in the states voting yesterday were outnumbered by those who are buying what the mainstream media is selling them--the idea that Clinton is inevitable.
It should be noted, however, that upcoming states have a better chance of going for Sanders.
It should be noted, however, that upcoming states have a better chance of going for Sanders.
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As someone from the west coast, I feel bad that the votes of those living in California, Oregon, and Washington (like most of my relatives) don't count any more.
Apparently, we should dispense with the voting process altogether and go with the polling analysis that pops up 6 months before the Conventions. After all, the polls from last fall have had a huge influence on whether or not Bernie should be given a voice by major media outlets such as the NYT. In a system where the Party has already decided who will be the nominee, they should just name them and be done with it.
Look, Hillary has a long way to go to reach the needed delegates but she had already been given nearly all the super-delegates and the presumed nomination in the press because of what? Polls. Her likely win will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
But Bernie still has a voice - * an important voice * - and his supporters in the remaining Primary states shouldn't have their voices squelched by pollsters, yellow journalism, and a flawed political system.
If (yes if!) Bernie loses the Primary, I will probably vote for the 3rd party candidate that most closely represents my views and desires for our government. Political unity is powerful, but my voice, my 1st Amendment rights are more important than supporting a political machine that I don't agree with. If that means Trump is our next president, so be it - he can't change things any faster than Bernie and I will still have my dignity.
Apparently, we should dispense with the voting process altogether and go with the polling analysis that pops up 6 months before the Conventions. After all, the polls from last fall have had a huge influence on whether or not Bernie should be given a voice by major media outlets such as the NYT. In a system where the Party has already decided who will be the nominee, they should just name them and be done with it.
Look, Hillary has a long way to go to reach the needed delegates but she had already been given nearly all the super-delegates and the presumed nomination in the press because of what? Polls. Her likely win will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.
But Bernie still has a voice - * an important voice * - and his supporters in the remaining Primary states shouldn't have their voices squelched by pollsters, yellow journalism, and a flawed political system.
If (yes if!) Bernie loses the Primary, I will probably vote for the 3rd party candidate that most closely represents my views and desires for our government. Political unity is powerful, but my voice, my 1st Amendment rights are more important than supporting a political machine that I don't agree with. If that means Trump is our next president, so be it - he can't change things any faster than Bernie and I will still have my dignity.
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If Trump, or Cruz, is elected because you and other Bernie supports chose to sit out the election, I hope your dignity will be a great comfort to you while we reap the results of a Republican President, Congress, and Supreme Court!
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The temper tantrum by Sanders supporters vowing to vote for Trump over Clinton is the real nail on the coffin of Sanders' campaign run, not the 5 lost states last night.
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Must be nice to not have to worry about the Supreme Court for men's health issues. Maybe these guys actually do not know any women. Or care.
Trump is already saying he wants to pick the candidate. Ugh.
Trump is already saying he wants to pick the candidate. Ugh.
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I am a woman, and I voted for Sanders. BTW, Trump has said he supports "women's health." (Probably so he won't have to pay child support to his mistresses.)
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The GOP, by embracing the Tea Party, has moved to the right of center (far to the right if you listened to Ted Cruz last night and what he intends to do if he becomes president). This shift puts the two party system at risk. In order for the two party system to work there has to be a center of moderate Republicans and Democrats. Right now, the center is Hilary Clinton and fellow Wall Street Democrats. So it up to Hilary to defend the status quo against the intentions of Cruz and Trump and congressional Republicans on the right and Bernie Sanders and his congressional allies on the left.
What I find disturbing about this scenario is the status quo. Things do need to change in this country. Income inequality, like climate change, has to be addressed. We have reached such a state that a person with a million dollars is no longer considered rich. That to me is mind blowing. Wealth accumulation in so few hands is as destabilizing as terrorism. In a sense, it is a form of terrorism. We are at the mercy of billionaires. Trump is an example of this, of someone who is beholden to no one.
Where is this country headed?
What I find disturbing about this scenario is the status quo. Things do need to change in this country. Income inequality, like climate change, has to be addressed. We have reached such a state that a person with a million dollars is no longer considered rich. That to me is mind blowing. Wealth accumulation in so few hands is as destabilizing as terrorism. In a sense, it is a form of terrorism. We are at the mercy of billionaires. Trump is an example of this, of someone who is beholden to no one.
Where is this country headed?
I mailed my first check to Hillary Clinton's campaign today. Sanders is delusional if he still thinks he can win enough primaries to get the nomination. I like Sanders, but really, if he wanted to run for the nomination of the Democratic party he should have joined the party many years ago and worked as a Democrat to achieve his progressive goals. From what I can determine Sanders was at best an ineffectual member of the Senate and doesn't have a record of achieving much. Hillary has by far the best chance of winning the November election.
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Nobody should assume that independent voters supporting Bernie Sanders will fall into line behind Hilary Clinton if she wins the nomination even if registered Democrats will.
It is far more likely that in the general elections the independent voters who support Sanders will split, some going to Trump some going to Clinton and the majority either writing in Sanders or choosing a third party candidate to support some of course will simply choose to sit out the election and not vote at all.
I do not believe for one moment that Hilary Clinton can count on the majority of independents to vote for her in November.
It is far more likely that in the general elections the independent voters who support Sanders will split, some going to Trump some going to Clinton and the majority either writing in Sanders or choosing a third party candidate to support some of course will simply choose to sit out the election and not vote at all.
I do not believe for one moment that Hilary Clinton can count on the majority of independents to vote for her in November.
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President Obama lost the independent vote in 2008 and 2012. So, what is your point?
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Robert, Thank you for asking! My point is that the exit of independents from both parties will happen again and keep on happening until a new multi-party system evolves and we take the country back from the two corrupt major parties who are wholly owned by the Plutocrats and Oligarchs. It is my sincere hope that it cripples the Democratic Party as it is currently crippling the Republicans. It is time for this republic to serve the interests of the citizens and not Wall Street.
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Last night solidified the 2016 Presidential election. The people have spoken. There is little doubt about it. Donald Trump will win the majority of the Republican party delegates this cycle. He will likely be the Repub. party nominee. And, for those of us who find the idea of Mr. Trump as President unsettling or downright frightening, the need to gather round, soul search and hopefully support a Democratic candidate that offers a message of hope vs. one of fear- is more important than ever. Tonight was beyond historic. This Super Tuesday was a seismic message to our nation, the union- that we as a nation have work to do.
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The message I'm getting from Hillary supporters is basically one of fear - and one designed by the media and the establishment (esp. the "Bundlers" at Obama's state parties, which NYT so eloquently reported on). Message: "Vote for Wall Street or you'll get President Trump."
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This election year pits a true counter establishment candidate against a career opportunist who will say and do anything, take up a political position to further her goals, change on political issues as often as the political trade winds blows and put on any political face to satisfy her 30 year political obsession with the presidency. She gives a sense of competency, coupled with an heir of dishonesty and entitlement. I refuse to be a part of this election in which the premise is that Sanders is unelectable and Hillary is the only candidate to defeat Trump! Sanders should continue with his campaign and his message that change can only occur when corporate monies is taken out of the political arena. The election of Hillary will be a continuation of gridlock and factionalism as Hillary is reviled more so than President Obama and despised by the Republicans!
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George, you are forgetting Clintons years in the Senate. She worked with many Republicans, and she is a force of nature beyond what Obama can muster. You are underestimating her.
Refuse to be part of it if that is your wish, but it‘s not a “premise“ that Sanders is unelectable --- it’s simply what the voters have chosen, thus far.
Refuse to be part of it if that is your wish, but it‘s not a “premise“ that Sanders is unelectable --- it’s simply what the voters have chosen, thus far.
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Good God. Do you know any women? Because if Trump picks a SC justice all the blabbering about intangibles like Republicans defining you as "entitled" or "snooty" or whatever, will be moot.
Women in this election actually have something at stake about their actual lives. If you are going to throw away a protest vote, think about the other half of the country.
Women in this election actually have something at stake about their actual lives. If you are going to throw away a protest vote, think about the other half of the country.
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I'll keep this brief: I'm not "holding my nose" and voting for Clinton. I'm voting for her because, on most of the issues that I really care about, she's in line with my own beliefs and positions. Sanders is a very decent guy. He's talking about important issues. But he's a far better senator than a presidential candidate. His blinkered, self-righteous supporters, meanwhile -- with their ceaseless, spittle-flecked vilification of HRC -- only make my decision to back her that much easier. Looking forward to another Democrat in the White House for the next four years -- if Sanders' "revolutionaries" don't petulantly sit on their hands in November and allow a xenophobic, racist, semi-literate, authoritarian oligarch and congenital liar like Drumpf to steal the national election.
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Earlier this morning I decided to go with Sanders in deciding where to put my primary vote. The NYT has a way of calling overall loss prematurely. To lose in the South, a remarkably depressed area in the U.S. where Chinese industry is finding its way in to further depress wages of workers, and tea party republicans rule the lands, is not the be all, end all, in calling for Clinton at this stage in the primaries.
My thoughts went to Tulsi Gabbard who stepped away from her position within the DNC to advocate for Sanders in Hawaii, and to the children fleeing from Honduras to this country, to be turned away by Clinton after she, as Secretary of State played a major role in the horrible conditions from which they flee. The Primaries aren't over until they are and if Sanders doesn't give in, neither will I.
Depending on the final results of democratic presidential nomination process, I will make my decision going into the general. Until then, Bernie has my vote and my contributions in the democrat primary race.
My thoughts went to Tulsi Gabbard who stepped away from her position within the DNC to advocate for Sanders in Hawaii, and to the children fleeing from Honduras to this country, to be turned away by Clinton after she, as Secretary of State played a major role in the horrible conditions from which they flee. The Primaries aren't over until they are and if Sanders doesn't give in, neither will I.
Depending on the final results of democratic presidential nomination process, I will make my decision going into the general. Until then, Bernie has my vote and my contributions in the democrat primary race.
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So SoS Clinton played a role in the conditions that Central Americans are fleeing? Please elaborate. How is so? What desition by the Obama administration created the violence that plages CA? Do you even understand what is happening there?
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Don't you know about the military coup that Obama supported - with Hillary's strong recommendation - in 2009? The new president of Honduras was enacting reforms to help poor people in Honduras, and business interests that run sweatshops there called the White House to complain. The new government that Obama supported is so weak that gangs have overrun it, hence, the mass migration to our borders. *Progressives are ALWAYS better informed.
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Robert, you may or may not wish to read this recent article and do more research into past history :
http://www.thenation.com/article/as-the-united-states-votes-honduras-kills/
http://www.thenation.com/article/as-the-united-states-votes-honduras-kills/
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Bernie is the only candidate who would act in the best interest of the American people. If he is not nominated, the question becomes -- do you vote for Trump or Clinton?
A vote for Clinton would mean the further destruction of the middle class and the poor, more minorities in prison, more wars abroad, more environmental destruction, etc.
A vote for Trump would mean the tearing down the middle class and stomping on the poor, far more minorities in prison or deported, more wars abroad, and more reckless strategies, and removing as many environmental protections as possible.
So, both will do the same things, only the degree will be different.
I will vote for Trump because while I am a Green Party member, I think it'd be better to destroy things more quickly, which trump will do, so that we can start the process of healing. Only when we have hit bottom will we be able to pick ourselves up again, and Old Donald will bring us to bottom faster than Old Hillary.
Hillary will help ruin us; Donald will pull out all the stops to do so.
A vote for Clinton would mean the further destruction of the middle class and the poor, more minorities in prison, more wars abroad, more environmental destruction, etc.
A vote for Trump would mean the tearing down the middle class and stomping on the poor, far more minorities in prison or deported, more wars abroad, and more reckless strategies, and removing as many environmental protections as possible.
So, both will do the same things, only the degree will be different.
I will vote for Trump because while I am a Green Party member, I think it'd be better to destroy things more quickly, which trump will do, so that we can start the process of healing. Only when we have hit bottom will we be able to pick ourselves up again, and Old Donald will bring us to bottom faster than Old Hillary.
Hillary will help ruin us; Donald will pull out all the stops to do so.
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Sanders will do OK in California, particularly among the young. But Clinton will handily win the primary here and, with it, the nomination. First, California has two female senators, a female attorney general who will become a senator in January, and many female representatives in Congress. Women here are outraged at the misogyny of Trump and, to a lesser extent, Sanders' supporters. This is also the most diverse state in the union.
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You might want to rethink your attempt to speak for all women in California and the shaky logic behind it.
So as a woman we are expected to vote for a woman. I see the logic now.
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Just as a reminder, Bernie is behind Hillary by only 314 delegates. 2,322 delegates remain. This number does not include the superdelegate count. Missouri hasn't been called yet.
25% of the Democratic delegate count in each state is comprised of DNC appointed superdelegates--party officials and elected politicians (from Bloomberg Politics delegate count website). The DNC expects their appointees to support the DNC-chosen candidate (this, based on personal experience).
So, in Colorado, where Bernie won, 59% to 40%, he and Hillary received equal numbers of delegates, due to superdelegates! In New Hampshire, where Bernie killed it--60% to 38%--Hillary received the same number of delegates as he. In Michigan, where Bernie won the popular vote, Hillary won more delegates!
I'm a Democrat, but this sort of delegate-rigging process is not what I signed up for.
What happens if Bernie wins the popular vote, but loses the delegate count thanks to the DNC's machinations? Statistically, Bernie still polls better than Hillary against Trump in national election projections.
You can leave manure in plain sight, or wrap it in pretty pink paper with a bow. Both stink, but only one smells of mendacity.
What does the DNC plan to do to attract voters to a candidate many find repugnant? They have not factored in how many Democrats simply will refuse to vote if Hillary is their only option. And that is how Trump will win the Presidency.
25% of the Democratic delegate count in each state is comprised of DNC appointed superdelegates--party officials and elected politicians (from Bloomberg Politics delegate count website). The DNC expects their appointees to support the DNC-chosen candidate (this, based on personal experience).
So, in Colorado, where Bernie won, 59% to 40%, he and Hillary received equal numbers of delegates, due to superdelegates! In New Hampshire, where Bernie killed it--60% to 38%--Hillary received the same number of delegates as he. In Michigan, where Bernie won the popular vote, Hillary won more delegates!
I'm a Democrat, but this sort of delegate-rigging process is not what I signed up for.
What happens if Bernie wins the popular vote, but loses the delegate count thanks to the DNC's machinations? Statistically, Bernie still polls better than Hillary against Trump in national election projections.
You can leave manure in plain sight, or wrap it in pretty pink paper with a bow. Both stink, but only one smells of mendacity.
What does the DNC plan to do to attract voters to a candidate many find repugnant? They have not factored in how many Democrats simply will refuse to vote if Hillary is their only option. And that is how Trump will win the Presidency.
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Signed up for?
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Agreed. I believe the DNC also has not factored in the unfortunately high number of racists, misogynists, and Clinton haters who will vote for Trump and/or against Clinton.
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it's just a saying...it means I did not expect the internal workings of the Democratic machine to be this way...
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I understand the disappointment of Bernie voters--really, I do. But I don't understand the vilification of Hillary. Politics is a messy job, full of confusion, conflicting interests and desires, compromises, victories and mistakes. A politician who doesn't compromise or make mistakes isn't engaged or effectual (or frankly, human). The attacks on Hillary's personality for being confident or ambitious are just plain sexist. Who ever criticizes a man for being confident or ambitious? Disagree with her policies, but drop the "unlikeable". Hillary is unapologetically smart and ambitious, having come from a generation of women who fought hard for their opportunities, and she helped create a landscape where young women today have many choices. Hillary is criticized for supporting her husband in the white house, for not leaving her husband, for forgiving her husband...ever hear a male politician criticized for not leaving his wife? She's criticized for her husband's policies when she was first lady. Last I looked, first ladies have no legislative role. Women have long been seen as "unlikeable" for possessing the exact leadership qualities that are seen as desirable and attractive in men. Looks like the double standard is alive and well.
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This is why we need a Third Party system. There are some of us who can actually think for ourselves and not have to look to pundits and empty talking heads on TV or tow the company line where the R's and D's are concerned. This is why we like Sanders and detest Clinton and others like her. We are tired of the greed and the back door deals that are done, and the allegiance to varied corporations. Got it? Good.
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Exactly my point, Emma. The nasty isn't necessary. Lots of us can think, we just don't happen to agree with you. That, my friend, is democracy. People who disagreed get to vote and decide. Detest who you like, but that doesn't make you smarter than me, just smugger. Got it? Good!
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If Sanders is not the Democratic nominee it won't be because his Ideals aren't attainable (Single-payer universal health care for the citizenry of the richest country in the world is pie-in-the-sky?...Seriously? What is my tax money for?) it will be because of a voting bloc like older fuddy-duddies who are afraid of tackling the big hurdles. It will be because of an African-American voting bloc that has a loyalty to Clinton for what reason?
Obama talked of bringing change, and he did some good. But remember, Too Big to Fail, yeah well, while his administration did what it could to get us out of a W. Bush instigated economic failure, Obama was able to do so, it seems to me, by bedding with the banking/financial industry. Obama was a disappointment because, it seems to me, he was more worried about staying in power rather than making that real change he seduced with.
My fear, from H. Clinton's history, is that if she becomes president, we can expect more of the same small moves while the rich get richer.
With Sanders, based on his history and current rhetoric, it seemed to me that someone was finally willing to attempt do something significantly positive for the majority of the American people with the help of the American voter.
Obama talked of bringing change, and he did some good. But remember, Too Big to Fail, yeah well, while his administration did what it could to get us out of a W. Bush instigated economic failure, Obama was able to do so, it seems to me, by bedding with the banking/financial industry. Obama was a disappointment because, it seems to me, he was more worried about staying in power rather than making that real change he seduced with.
My fear, from H. Clinton's history, is that if she becomes president, we can expect more of the same small moves while the rich get richer.
With Sanders, based on his history and current rhetoric, it seemed to me that someone was finally willing to attempt do something significantly positive for the majority of the American people with the help of the American voter.
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In the end America is once again showing its true colors, to a world watching in abject horror, as the hope for mankind recedes into the distance.
Trump is for all intents and purposes the Republican nominee, not because he is right for America, but because Americans are angry at the establishment which has all but ignored them, in its singular quest to own it all.
And for the Democrats, it is more than likely Hillary, something I ardently wished would never be. Her public life and service is beset with all manner of still questionable actions, and dealings, amassing fortunes from the same corporations she says she will ignore, because that's what the people want.
We are at the same table once more, presented with fare we do not like, but still hungry, and we must eat, so the decision is distasteful no matter the choice.
Unless Hillary is somehow or other fatally weakened, she will be the next President, catering to her establishment owners, allowing the passage of the TPP, furthering the drive to make Americans into economic slaves.
The American experiment has died, and is waiting for the undertakers wagon.
Trump is for all intents and purposes the Republican nominee, not because he is right for America, but because Americans are angry at the establishment which has all but ignored them, in its singular quest to own it all.
And for the Democrats, it is more than likely Hillary, something I ardently wished would never be. Her public life and service is beset with all manner of still questionable actions, and dealings, amassing fortunes from the same corporations she says she will ignore, because that's what the people want.
We are at the same table once more, presented with fare we do not like, but still hungry, and we must eat, so the decision is distasteful no matter the choice.
Unless Hillary is somehow or other fatally weakened, she will be the next President, catering to her establishment owners, allowing the passage of the TPP, furthering the drive to make Americans into economic slaves.
The American experiment has died, and is waiting for the undertakers wagon.
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I was once a Hillary supporter, but no longer (though she has my vote if it comes to that). I find it telling about the health of the Democratic Party that she was the best the establishment Democrats could put forth for 2016.
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Hey, fellow Bernie supporters--
The numbers don't look terribly promising for our candidate. We can continue to support him for as long as he goes, if only to remind Hillary that anywhere from a third to a half of those who have voted in the Democratic primaries and caucuses thus far have voted for Bernie--a force to be considered. If we let *them* win by refusing to vote for *her* in November, Bernie's message will sink like a stone in a pond. Bernie has begun the revolution; now we must take up the torch and keep his message alive--we must vote for her if she is the nominee, and then keep her feet to the fire. The revolution will take time--think of the years it took the American colonists to come to the Declaration of Independence, and the years of war that followed. Ours is a bloodless revolution, but it will take time, work, and patience. The presidency is only one office, albeit a vital one this time when we take into account Supreme Court appointments. Looking to the future, we must work to get more progressive Democrats into office on the state level and in Congress. Bernie's revolution is about the people working for change--not just about this one vote.
It might be well to remember the words of Bernie himself to Hillary after the New Hampshire debate:
"On our worst days ... we are 100 times better than any Republican candidate..."
Sometimes in campaigns, things get a little bit out of hand. I happen to respect the secretary very much. I hope it's mutual."
The numbers don't look terribly promising for our candidate. We can continue to support him for as long as he goes, if only to remind Hillary that anywhere from a third to a half of those who have voted in the Democratic primaries and caucuses thus far have voted for Bernie--a force to be considered. If we let *them* win by refusing to vote for *her* in November, Bernie's message will sink like a stone in a pond. Bernie has begun the revolution; now we must take up the torch and keep his message alive--we must vote for her if she is the nominee, and then keep her feet to the fire. The revolution will take time--think of the years it took the American colonists to come to the Declaration of Independence, and the years of war that followed. Ours is a bloodless revolution, but it will take time, work, and patience. The presidency is only one office, albeit a vital one this time when we take into account Supreme Court appointments. Looking to the future, we must work to get more progressive Democrats into office on the state level and in Congress. Bernie's revolution is about the people working for change--not just about this one vote.
It might be well to remember the words of Bernie himself to Hillary after the New Hampshire debate:
"On our worst days ... we are 100 times better than any Republican candidate..."
Sometimes in campaigns, things get a little bit out of hand. I happen to respect the secretary very much. I hope it's mutual."
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I have always been a supporter of Hillary, in 2008 and again in 2016. She is far and away the most qualified candidate, the most intellectually accomplished, insightful, and -- naysayers notwithstanding -- truly kind and caring.
I also strongly applaud Bernie Sanders for his challenge to her this year, which has forced her to rethink some positions, recalibrate some policies, and improve her ability to connect with voters. Those changes are signs of her intelligence, not of vacillation -- to be able to rethink one's given beliefs and certainties and analysis in light of new information or different opinions.
What I don't understand is why any Bernie supporter would refuse to support Hillary if she does win the nomination. Have they forgotten the fiasco that was the Bush Administration, brought to us by voters with the same mindset who insisted on voting for Ralph Nader? Have they forgotten the squandering of America's treasure, lives, and world reputation, under Cheney and Bush and their crazed colleagues? Have the forgotten the appointments those men made to the Supreme Court and lower courts -- appointments that the nation still suffers from every day? Do they really want to make a protest vote for Jill Stein or some other minor candidate and thereby ensure that Donald Trump becomes America's Il Duce?
I hope those whose passions are caught up by Bernie will reconsider before November and support the Democratic candidate who has proven she has what it takes to lead America.
I also strongly applaud Bernie Sanders for his challenge to her this year, which has forced her to rethink some positions, recalibrate some policies, and improve her ability to connect with voters. Those changes are signs of her intelligence, not of vacillation -- to be able to rethink one's given beliefs and certainties and analysis in light of new information or different opinions.
What I don't understand is why any Bernie supporter would refuse to support Hillary if she does win the nomination. Have they forgotten the fiasco that was the Bush Administration, brought to us by voters with the same mindset who insisted on voting for Ralph Nader? Have they forgotten the squandering of America's treasure, lives, and world reputation, under Cheney and Bush and their crazed colleagues? Have the forgotten the appointments those men made to the Supreme Court and lower courts -- appointments that the nation still suffers from every day? Do they really want to make a protest vote for Jill Stein or some other minor candidate and thereby ensure that Donald Trump becomes America's Il Duce?
I hope those whose passions are caught up by Bernie will reconsider before November and support the Democratic candidate who has proven she has what it takes to lead America.
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I agree. HOwever it is human nature to cut off its nose to spite its face.
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I find the condescension about Bernie among Hillary's supporters here remarkable. Bernie has changed the conversation in the United States about economic policy and underscored economic inequality, outlining specific policies which are common place around the world but apparently beyond the reach of an"exceptional" America. A primary reason behind the rise of Trump is the fact that the Democrat Party had given up the fight to help those of us who are not affluent. Do we really want to leave that fight to the Trumps of the world? If Bernie has helped Hillary see the light on this issue he has done us all a great service. And to describe a man who has quietly worked for more progressive economic policies under the radar for 30 years as campaigning because of his "ego" and "desire for power" is ludicrous.
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It would appear that Sanders political strategists made a major blunder.
Why does the campaign continually minimize Bernie's important role as a civil activist while a student at the University of Chicago in the early 1960s?
A kid from Brooklyn comes to Chicago and protests segregation and inequality in the Chicago Public School system, and gets arrested in 1963..
Most campaign strategists would dream to have a candidate with that history.
This is from yesterday regarding Sanders 1963 arrest in Chicago:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/March-2016/B...
Why does the campaign continually minimize Bernie's important role as a civil activist while a student at the University of Chicago in the early 1960s?
A kid from Brooklyn comes to Chicago and protests segregation and inequality in the Chicago Public School system, and gets arrested in 1963..
Most campaign strategists would dream to have a candidate with that history.
This is from yesterday regarding Sanders 1963 arrest in Chicago:
http://www.chicagomag.com/Chicago-Magazine/Felsenthal-Files/March-2016/B...
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Because marching 50 years ago can't be the sum and substance of his entire appeal to African Americans. Look at how quickly his supporters were willing to dismiss the results of South Carolina, Mississippi and other deep South primaries (which Obama also used to leverage his nomination 8 years ago). Whether intended or not, it sounds like a dismissal as well of the people voting in those places, who are disproportionately African American.
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Sanders has to begin to start asking himself exactly which party he is working for at this juncture.
His advertising campaign does little more than reiterate the anti-Clintonian meme's that have defined their Goebbels-like propaganda campaign the GOP launched in 2008 (''can't trust her''). The only nuance that Sanders introduced is his troglodyte Trump-like 'anti-trade' position. Sorry, that's an idiotic position. There are adjustments to trade treaties needed, but the world has been streaking to a robotic-state of cheap automation that degrades the worker since the factory was invented. It's long past time to be looking for different models not Luddite sledgehammer isolationist arguments. Feels good if your a moron or irredeemable stoner. It is a world economy. Tariff wars eventually secure Depressions, which in turn devolve into global conflicts. Let's concentrate on dealing with global warming and international cooperation.
In terms of our domestic economy - restoring our infrastructure, encouraging renewable energy technologies, public transport, and improving our education is by far the best course for the future. Race baiting and blue-collar sentiment for lunchbox fantasy may win cheap votes for the Donald, but it will deliver a neo-fascist society. It should be broadly repudiated not romanticized opportunistically and echoed by the Sanders cotillion. It is time for youth to seriously start flirting with the idea of voting EVERY year not every 4th.
His advertising campaign does little more than reiterate the anti-Clintonian meme's that have defined their Goebbels-like propaganda campaign the GOP launched in 2008 (''can't trust her''). The only nuance that Sanders introduced is his troglodyte Trump-like 'anti-trade' position. Sorry, that's an idiotic position. There are adjustments to trade treaties needed, but the world has been streaking to a robotic-state of cheap automation that degrades the worker since the factory was invented. It's long past time to be looking for different models not Luddite sledgehammer isolationist arguments. Feels good if your a moron or irredeemable stoner. It is a world economy. Tariff wars eventually secure Depressions, which in turn devolve into global conflicts. Let's concentrate on dealing with global warming and international cooperation.
In terms of our domestic economy - restoring our infrastructure, encouraging renewable energy technologies, public transport, and improving our education is by far the best course for the future. Race baiting and blue-collar sentiment for lunchbox fantasy may win cheap votes for the Donald, but it will deliver a neo-fascist society. It should be broadly repudiated not romanticized opportunistically and echoed by the Sanders cotillion. It is time for youth to seriously start flirting with the idea of voting EVERY year not every 4th.
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What a difference a day makes, huh, Ms. Chozick and Mr. Healy?
A day ago your writing sure seemed as if that cagey Sanders was ready to change his lead like a race horse coming round that second bend in the track, ready to pour it on. But no. All that same ol', same ol' ranting about six figure speaking fees and those trade pacts Hillary aligned herself with just doesn' seem enough for most voters. They want more than "rainbows and puppy dogs with lottery tickets stapled to their collars."
Some of those young, inexperienced, and naive voters may be interested in getting a free education while others saddled with student loan debt have notions Sanders will forgive that debt they built up on their own accord, but the rest of the electorate wants some real hard facts about what he's going to do, and not just a bunch of proposals amounting to little more than government give away programs.
A day ago your writing sure seemed as if that cagey Sanders was ready to change his lead like a race horse coming round that second bend in the track, ready to pour it on. But no. All that same ol', same ol' ranting about six figure speaking fees and those trade pacts Hillary aligned herself with just doesn' seem enough for most voters. They want more than "rainbows and puppy dogs with lottery tickets stapled to their collars."
Some of those young, inexperienced, and naive voters may be interested in getting a free education while others saddled with student loan debt have notions Sanders will forgive that debt they built up on their own accord, but the rest of the electorate wants some real hard facts about what he's going to do, and not just a bunch of proposals amounting to little more than government give away programs.
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Go Girl!
A quick lesson to Bernie's fans: history and politics rarely move monotonically in a single direction. Politics involves fights that must go on forever. And you must get used to losing. And never quit. Be gracious in defeat and generous when you win. And never, ever be imperious, impervious to criticism, thinking that the rest of us have somehow misunderstood the most important truth ever spoken.
Thank your parents tonight, remembering that while you have never been in your 40s, 50s and 60s, they have been 20 and 30 years old, and back then they were probably as fervent about socialism and justice as you are right now.
A quick lesson to Bernie's fans: history and politics rarely move monotonically in a single direction. Politics involves fights that must go on forever. And you must get used to losing. And never quit. Be gracious in defeat and generous when you win. And never, ever be imperious, impervious to criticism, thinking that the rest of us have somehow misunderstood the most important truth ever spoken.
Thank your parents tonight, remembering that while you have never been in your 40s, 50s and 60s, they have been 20 and 30 years old, and back then they were probably as fervent about socialism and justice as you are right now.
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Do you have a quick lesson for Sanders's supporters who ARE in their 40s, 50s, and 60s? There are plenty.
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I support Bernie, but am sickened by the baseless tirades about Hillary.
Here's a fact check:
Benghazi:
Do you have any idea how many connected to our embassies died during Bush Jr.'s administration? Over 60. Where is the outrage and repeated investigations of his secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice?
HIllary has been through EIGHT investigations over Benghazi and none have been able to find fault with her. If you watch her several hour long testimony you'll no longer doubt her. T
This is just like the email debacle, both Powell and Rice also had private email servers on which they received state department communications but no one is investigating them. The emails weren't labeled classified at the time sent to HIllary but are now being labeled so by investigators, but none were sent by Hillary, only received.
Beside that, the state department server was hacked but Hillary's wasn't!
Here's a fact check:
Benghazi:
Do you have any idea how many connected to our embassies died during Bush Jr.'s administration? Over 60. Where is the outrage and repeated investigations of his secretaries of state Colin Powell and Condoleeza Rice?
HIllary has been through EIGHT investigations over Benghazi and none have been able to find fault with her. If you watch her several hour long testimony you'll no longer doubt her. T
This is just like the email debacle, both Powell and Rice also had private email servers on which they received state department communications but no one is investigating them. The emails weren't labeled classified at the time sent to HIllary but are now being labeled so by investigators, but none were sent by Hillary, only received.
Beside that, the state department server was hacked but Hillary's wasn't!
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Just because others had private servers doesn't make it right. How about her record on Libya itself? Or perhaps Haiti? See todays article on that debacle.
I'm sick and tired of HER baseless lies against Sanders.
I'm sick and tired of HER baseless lies against Sanders.
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The extreme polarization of the two political parties is fashioning an unhealthy dynamic. We have seen such outright derision of TRUMP by prominent members of the GOP, and yet, they will still back him if he is the nominee? So they act of voting along party lines FAR OUTWEIGHS sensible voting. This is a serious problem. If the idea of voting for a Democrat is extremely reprehensible to a Republican, then simply do not vote if you disapprove of the Republican nominee. Why promote a problem into the Whitehouse?
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I love Bernie. I'm grateful Hilary is now comfortably in the lead. She is the better candidate. Now, hopefully, Bernie will do the right thing, jump on the band wagon to lead his supporters Hillary's way, or we are in for a problems bigger than he's talking about if Trump or Cruz gets into the White House. You go Ms. Clinton! I hope you keep gathering momentum, and wipe the floor with Trump if that's where this leads.
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I am fairly confident that Bernie will overcome his personal disappointment in not winning the Democratic nomination, to play a positive role in the months to come. Back in August, when asked whether he would consider a third party run, he stated: “I made the promise that I would not, and I will keep that promise. The reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States.” https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/27/no-bernie-sand...
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I agree. I think Bernie appreciates being able to run in the Democratic primaries even though he's not a party member. I don't think he will put a knife in the back of the Democratic nominee by running a third party candidacy, even if it's not already too late to file in most states.
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Sorry, Bernie fans, but not all of your fellow countrymen are sad to see him face plant last night.
Sanders deserves a lot of credit for raising some valid issues namely campaign finance reform, economic inequality, and the Iraq fiasco. Truth be told, he's one of the (several) reasons the GOP is in disarray. There's a need for politicians like Sanders. You always need a voice unafraid to break from the herd.
But just as Cruz etc. are extreme and unelectable so is Bernie. He taps voter anger and gets his devout leftist supporters fired up but he is equally as divisive as his far right counterparts are. To many non-fans, lots of his policies are repulsive. Yes, repulsive as in many people would never vote for him. Myself included.
We don't need a President with an extreme agenda on either side of the political spectrum. We need someone who is adept at working with their ideological opponents and can understand that "revolution" is not the answer.
Sanders deserves a lot of credit for raising some valid issues namely campaign finance reform, economic inequality, and the Iraq fiasco. Truth be told, he's one of the (several) reasons the GOP is in disarray. There's a need for politicians like Sanders. You always need a voice unafraid to break from the herd.
But just as Cruz etc. are extreme and unelectable so is Bernie. He taps voter anger and gets his devout leftist supporters fired up but he is equally as divisive as his far right counterparts are. To many non-fans, lots of his policies are repulsive. Yes, repulsive as in many people would never vote for him. Myself included.
We don't need a President with an extreme agenda on either side of the political spectrum. We need someone who is adept at working with their ideological opponents and can understand that "revolution" is not the answer.
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If you want to continue with a system in which the votes of the superpacs pick the winners and our votes are worthless vote for Hillary. This is the truth about our so-called Democracy. We don't have a Democracy. Will Hillary have to follow the lead of her superpacs? Why was Glass-Steagal repealed? Why has there been no resistance to our trade policies which send our jobs overseas? Why do graduates from colleges have large debts? Why haven't we begun converting our energy systems away from fossil fuels? Why did Citizens- United become the law of the land? Why are there more guns on the streets of America than there are people? Why are the wishes of the people of America never heard? Do we have a problem? Do we have a problem? Do we have a problem? Yes we do.
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All these problems are real, but if Sanders voters don't unite around Clinton, then not only will Trump be president, but the Republicans probably retain control of the Senate. Your choice. We do have problems not, but they can get MUCH worse.
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If Hilary is the nominee she could ask Bernie to be her running mate and hopefully satisfy some of his constituents bringing them to the polls. Maybe Bernie would feel that was too big of a compromise. But, any team that can beat Herr Trump is fine with me.
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As much as I love Bernie, I find the pillorying of Hillary by Bernie supporters very upsetting. I get a constant feed in Facebook of nitpicking criticisms of Hillary, usually with photographs of her looking like a witch. In my town in Massachusetts, Hillary actually won the primary, but there was virtually not one Hillary sign on a front lawn, even though there were Bernie signs all over the place. I honestly think that the Hillary supporters just didn't put up signs because they did not want to deal with the social ostracism and wrath of their pro-Bernie neighbors. I do not feel that the Bernie voters understand that there is a big difference between representing Vermont and New York in the Senate. Vermont is a state with very few special interests groups and a population that is very lacking in diversity. New York has a huge and diverse population and some very powerful interest groups who employ 100s of thousands of people. If you are representing Vermont, you can be a pure as the driven snow and follow your conscience on almost every vote, but if you are representing New York, you sometimes have to make some compromises to get some good things done. In Bernie's case, ironically, the only special interest group that he had to deal with was the NRA, and he has compromised on gun issues more than he should have. To now see Bernie supporters saying that they will sit out the election--I don't think Bernie would agree with that.
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Code1 - Also in MA. And no signs on lawn or car precisely for those reasons. I don’t want to be egged or deal with angry vibes. I post here, instead, where it can also be hostile (lately) but safe enough, provided the NYT moderators don’t sell my info to, say, NSA. Oh, wait...
Democracy = a never-ending challenge to protect oneself from both government and factions.
Democracy = a never-ending challenge to protect oneself from both government and factions.
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Sadly, Old Bernie WILL agree that his supporters should refuse to vote for Hillary.
He does not care for the Democratic Party, of which he is not a member, OR for the United States, which he thinks should be brought down by a revolution.
He does not care for the Democratic Party, of which he is not a member, OR for the United States, which he thinks should be brought down by a revolution.
Thank you for that hatchet job on Senator Sanders, his supporters and the state of Vermont. Should Hillary become the nominee, she will face a monumental task of bringing the Bernie supporters into the fold. Maybe you should help out by losing the condescending tone. Think about how you felt in 2008 as a Hillary supporter if you were one.
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Congratulations to Senator Bernie Sanders for nearly taking Illinois and maybe taking Missouri after being so far behind only a week ago in the polls. Also thank God, because if Clinton wins the nomination we will have:
Worst case: Trump wins because, putting aside the nonsense about Clinton’s e-mails, Benghazi etc., when HRC finally is finally up against someone who really goes after her about: $banks, bad trade deals, and many other ill-advised stands and her persistent flip-flopping and lack of integrity, Clinton will lose the election. This will happen partly because many apathetic and angry Democrats will stay home, voter suppression and dirty tricks much worse than the Clintons have used. It will also happen because once the support of the corporate media has helped Clinton stop Sanders they will turn on her.
Best case: President Clinton obstructed by a Republican Congress that treats her as badly as they did Obama.
Either way we will have falling wages, higher unemployment, the big banks running wild, corporate power increased, rising prices especially for food as climate change continues unopposed and destroys crops, many more pensions lost and many more Americans dying and being mutilated in foreign wars.
The only really pragmatic revolutionary is Bernie Sanders. HRC would be the first woman in the White House but in every other respect it will be business as usual, the slow decline of democracy and impoverishment of the American people.
Go Bernie
Worst case: Trump wins because, putting aside the nonsense about Clinton’s e-mails, Benghazi etc., when HRC finally is finally up against someone who really goes after her about: $banks, bad trade deals, and many other ill-advised stands and her persistent flip-flopping and lack of integrity, Clinton will lose the election. This will happen partly because many apathetic and angry Democrats will stay home, voter suppression and dirty tricks much worse than the Clintons have used. It will also happen because once the support of the corporate media has helped Clinton stop Sanders they will turn on her.
Best case: President Clinton obstructed by a Republican Congress that treats her as badly as they did Obama.
Either way we will have falling wages, higher unemployment, the big banks running wild, corporate power increased, rising prices especially for food as climate change continues unopposed and destroys crops, many more pensions lost and many more Americans dying and being mutilated in foreign wars.
The only really pragmatic revolutionary is Bernie Sanders. HRC would be the first woman in the White House but in every other respect it will be business as usual, the slow decline of democracy and impoverishment of the American people.
Go Bernie
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I think I'd rather not rely on nearly and maybe, thank you very much. But then, I'm also not big on silly demonizing, when there's plenty reasonably to criticize and to argue for.
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It is not demonizing when it is accurate.
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I am having a problem with the language - news outlets have been useing big forceful words to associate with what Trump achieved, and not so much for Hillary. Hillary swept in reality as far as the numbers of votes go. But no banner headlines for her. I'm purely referring to the top headlines.
"A Very Good Night For Trump" [Atlantic]
"Trump Knocks Out Rubio; Clinton Takes 4 States" [NYTimes]
"Trump Wins Big;Rubio Quits; Clinton Takes 4 States"[WaPo]
"The Trump Juggernaut" [CNN].
You can call it a stretch but this is what sexism feels like to me. I believe that 'take' and 'knock' are unequally strong adjectives - not by much, granted, but not insignificant psychologically . The fact that the maps and the numbers reveal the truth is not my point.
In fact, it is LESS subtle than just levels of strength. 'Take' implies taking something that you may or may not deserve. 'Knock' is an aggressive, dominating verb.
"A Very Good Night For Trump" [Atlantic]
"Trump Knocks Out Rubio; Clinton Takes 4 States" [NYTimes]
"Trump Wins Big;Rubio Quits; Clinton Takes 4 States"[WaPo]
"The Trump Juggernaut" [CNN].
You can call it a stretch but this is what sexism feels like to me. I believe that 'take' and 'knock' are unequally strong adjectives - not by much, granted, but not insignificant psychologically . The fact that the maps and the numbers reveal the truth is not my point.
In fact, it is LESS subtle than just levels of strength. 'Take' implies taking something that you may or may not deserve. 'Knock' is an aggressive, dominating verb.
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I agree it is sexism plain and simple. She made a clean sweep of 5 states and that deserves a nice big headline in extra bold type.
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Those of you on here saying that there's no difference between Trump and Clinton really need to go back and do your homework.
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Or some housework, since I swear half the putative Left's objections sound just like Trump's strange little problems with women.
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It is unfortunate to see the negative comments by Hillary Clinton supporters towards Bernie Sanders and/or his supporters. You cannot afford to lose his supporters votes, and ridiculing his supporters, dismissing them for being idealists, echoing repeatedly comments about his goals being "pie-in-the-sky", "rainbows & unicorns", calling his supporters sexists, etc. does nothing to attract voters to Hillary Clinton. I hoped Hillary Clinton supporters were better than resorting to insults, and childish behavior. Many are above that, and I am grateful. Hillary will need all the votes she can possibly get, to become President, and I truly would question how democratic our government truly is if she could win without the support of Bernie Sanders voters.
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There is no way Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary - she is the antithesis of Bernie. Not Honest; Influenced by corporations; for regime change; for marginalism; for self-service and not for public service; throw in that her spouse is more corrupt than Bernie's
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I think both Bernie and Clinton supports are very motivated by their beliefs in their candidates and sadly,both sides have doled out hideous comments. Supposedly, we are all on the same side and want what we think is best for the country and future generations.
When Bernie supporters say things like "oh, Clinton has a uterus and so do you, so that's why you're voting for her?" That's pretty sexist, don't you think? No, I am not voting for HRC because she has a uterus, I am voting for her because I believe she is the most qualified to run the country and get us out of this quagmire and she is presenting real solutions that I believe in and she seems to have a firmer grasp on the WIDE array of issues our country is facing.
When Bernie supporters say things like "oh, Clinton has a uterus and so do you, so that's why you're voting for her?" That's pretty sexist, don't you think? No, I am not voting for HRC because she has a uterus, I am voting for her because I believe she is the most qualified to run the country and get us out of this quagmire and she is presenting real solutions that I believe in and she seems to have a firmer grasp on the WIDE array of issues our country is facing.
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As one who reads these comments sections all the time, as well as a ton of social media, I find this comment very ironic. It's pretty clear that the reverse scenario is what is happening.
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What a shame that, at a moment when it is imperative that a non-GOP candidate be elected, the country is stuck with a dynastic, entitled liar sweeping in on a tidal wave of negatives.
The enthusiasm of young voters for Sanders is unlikely to carry over to a candidate who is so very cozily, closely tied in with the very establishment Sanders rails against.
Hillary Clinton is arrogant, obnoxious, untrustworthy and would have never gotten to this position without her husband's time in office. She is a very unappealing candidate until she is contrasted with any of the GOP, who make her look like a savior.
The enthusiasm of young voters for Sanders is unlikely to carry over to a candidate who is so very cozily, closely tied in with the very establishment Sanders rails against.
Hillary Clinton is arrogant, obnoxious, untrustworthy and would have never gotten to this position without her husband's time in office. She is a very unappealing candidate until she is contrasted with any of the GOP, who make her look like a savior.
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So show up at the polls and vote for Hillary. A friend of mine supported Nader in 2000, but later admitted that Gore lost the election to W because he took too many votes from Gore. Does any progressive really believe that we would not have been much better off with Gore than Bush? Really? We're looking at the same situation with Trump vs Clinton.
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Hope died last night. We will not have any meaningful change (for the better) on account of whoever our next president will be.
Bernie can keep pushing on if he wants, but the numbers are too stacked against him. He may have been a chimera, but he alone represented the only real possibility for starting to turn things around in this country. And as we continue on the same trajectory, or go completely off the rails - as is becoming a more likely scenario all the time - that possibility diminishes more and more all the time.
I'm a Progressive Liberal (I won't say a Democrat), but as frightening as the idea of Donald Trump as president is to me, I will not pull the lever for Hillary Clinton. To me, she is nothing more than a mendacious, power-hungry, corrupt, and shape-shifting politician, possibly also a criminal, who, at best, will give us Business As Usual. We all know how that's working out.
Let the chips fall where they may. The lesser of two evils is still evil. America will get what it's asking for, and maybe will be shocked backed to reality before too much damage has been done. If not, we will only have ourselves to blame. In the meantime, hold onto your hats.
Bernie can keep pushing on if he wants, but the numbers are too stacked against him. He may have been a chimera, but he alone represented the only real possibility for starting to turn things around in this country. And as we continue on the same trajectory, or go completely off the rails - as is becoming a more likely scenario all the time - that possibility diminishes more and more all the time.
I'm a Progressive Liberal (I won't say a Democrat), but as frightening as the idea of Donald Trump as president is to me, I will not pull the lever for Hillary Clinton. To me, she is nothing more than a mendacious, power-hungry, corrupt, and shape-shifting politician, possibly also a criminal, who, at best, will give us Business As Usual. We all know how that's working out.
Let the chips fall where they may. The lesser of two evils is still evil. America will get what it's asking for, and maybe will be shocked backed to reality before too much damage has been done. If not, we will only have ourselves to blame. In the meantime, hold onto your hats.
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Hope's doing fine, thanks, and asks if you've cashed that Karl Rove check yet.
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"Hope's doing fine, thanks ..."
Check back with me in a couple of years.
And Karl Rove is many orders of magnitude lower in my estimation than Hillary. So much for that theory.
Check back with me in a couple of years.
And Karl Rove is many orders of magnitude lower in my estimation than Hillary. So much for that theory.
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Please do not underestimate the destructive power of the fascism Trump represents. Italian friends of mine warn about electing our version of Berlusconi. They're looking to leave their beloved homeland because of the sorry shape of their government.
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So many ways to write headlines. In any case, a question that might be asked in a high school civics class is this: are the primaries just about getting power? Or does a political party really stand on its principles? In that case, the DNC would have to recognize the many voters who continue to support Sanders through attending rallies, voting, volunteering, and contributing. This also means acknowledging all of his surrogates vs. marginalizing them. The DNC should cultivate ways to continue a fair and open debate, insisting that the media cover both major their candidates equally, and stopping the compulsive coverage given to Donald Trump. If the Democrats want to also
be strategic as well as principled, obviously they need to look at the polls that show the higher percentage win Sanders potentially gives them in a match against Trump.
be strategic as well as principled, obviously they need to look at the polls that show the higher percentage win Sanders potentially gives them in a match against Trump.
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Yes, why should Sanders Progressives support Hillary? What she's going to do about all the Bundlers visiting the White House? When is she going to put some of those jerks in jail?
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It's time for Sanders to step back so that the Democratic Party can rally behind one candidate. Socialism can be a wonderful thing but it is simply not in this country's DNA. If Sanders really wishes to pursue a nomination, Sanders should do so as an independent, not as a Democrat because at best he is a Democrat in name only. And now the party should stop the infighting in order to focus all its efforts and resources in ensuring that the GOP does not take the White House in November.
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Socialism isn't in this country's DNA?
Wow, I wish people'd learn some American history, at least find out who Tom Pane was, what Brookhill Farm was, and how many votes Eugene Debs pulled in 1916.
Oh, and how does Social Security work? i forget.
Wow, I wish people'd learn some American history, at least find out who Tom Pane was, what Brookhill Farm was, and how many votes Eugene Debs pulled in 1916.
Oh, and how does Social Security work? i forget.
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Do you truly believe that the United States, which was founded on principles of independent liberties and individualism while frowning on interdependence and broad social safety nets that exist in Denmark, Finland, Netherlands, Canada, Sweden, Norway, Ireland, New Zealand and Belgium, is actually socialist??? American Social Security and Medicare are pale shadows of programs offered in the aforementioned nations. No, the United States' DNA is not and has never been socialist. Maybe in Sandersland but that's somewhere near Neverland, not the United States.
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sanders' current slump can be summed up in 2 words - spring break.
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Eyes on the prize, progressives. The prize is not the White House. The prize is the Supreme Court. Three, possibly 4 seats will open up within the next 4 years. Two are liberal; one is the swing vote.
Get Clinton into the White House and secure a 6:3 majority in the Court, and you will achieve the things Bernie Sanders has been promising.
Do not let distaste for Clinton's flaws [insert list of imperfections here] distract you from this one very clear fact:
The House of Representatives will remain majority Republican this fall. The Senate may also remain Republican (less certain). If Trump wins the White House, with a GOP Congress to support him, the people he appoints to the Supreme Court will make Scalia look like a Elizabeth Warren.
Eyes on the prize.
Get Clinton into the White House and secure a 6:3 majority in the Court, and you will achieve the things Bernie Sanders has been promising.
Do not let distaste for Clinton's flaws [insert list of imperfections here] distract you from this one very clear fact:
The House of Representatives will remain majority Republican this fall. The Senate may also remain Republican (less certain). If Trump wins the White House, with a GOP Congress to support him, the people he appoints to the Supreme Court will make Scalia look like a Elizabeth Warren.
Eyes on the prize.
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I think you have a good point, Mal. I don't hate Hillary Clinton, she is infinitely superior to Trump, but after Obama she is a step backward. Bernie Sanders would have been a step forward for this country.
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I would just add this: Sanders justly complains about the influence of money in politics but fails to highlight that overarching obstacles to any change are based on several Supreme Court decisions that continue to be highly controversial and were very closely decided. Until those decisions are revisited and reversed (hopefully) there is no law that Sanders could propose that will not be struck down. There is no doubt that either Sanders or Clinton would appoint justices who would be more likely to do that, which means that, just from the perspective of this particular issue, if you really care about it, you need to support whoever the Democratic Party nominates, as well as every Democratic nominee for the Senate. If you want to maximize the chance that an election will actually bring change, you have to do more than talk about it during the primary.
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You're right, Mal, that the SCOTUS is what matters, but Old Bernie's supporters are not capable of understanding that. They aren't interested in anything beyond free tuition and hating Hillary. They won't vote in November.
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Misogynistic press strikes again. Hillary Clinton did not not bounce back from her loss in Michigan. She actually won more delegates that night. Won all five primaries last night. It didn't slow Sanders Momentum. What a bunch of nonsense. He is out of the race. He has zero chance. Time to pack up and go home to his condo in Vermont.
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What was that other state she won last week by blow out margins? Oh yeah, Mississippi, which apparently doesn't count for a lot of Sanders supporters because it never votes Democratic in the general election. And they wonder why African Americans are not flocking to Sanders.
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Do people really believe that now since Hilary's campaign rhetoric has moved to the left that she will keep any of these promises? Notice in this article how it says "her team" (not her) changed the speeches for Ohio so they would work better.
Bernie supporters don't go away. We will need a huge movement to fight for the things she has started to support from Bernie's program.
Bernie supporters don't go away. We will need a huge movement to fight for the things she has started to support from Bernie's program.
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No need for establishment Dems to worry about Sanders supporters sitting out a general election. The Bush/Kissinger wing of the Republican Party will provide Clinton with ample votes to beat Trump. They know which side their bread is buttered on.
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The bottom line is that we need a pragmatist as our next president. Obama is pragmatic, and while it may not seem exciting, it's how responsible governance is done. Sanders declares a political revolution, but it's nothing more than idealistic rhetoric. It's neither pragmatic nor realistic.
Eclectic Pragmatist — http://eclectic-pragmatist.tumblr.com/
Eclectic Pragmatist — https://medium.com/eclectic-pragmatism
Eclectic Pragmatist — http://eclectic-pragmatist.tumblr.com/
Eclectic Pragmatist — https://medium.com/eclectic-pragmatism
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I won't vote for Clinton and I won't vote for Trump. The largest political group, Independents, have been blocked from voting in many primaries, the very people who would have been likely to vote for Sanders. This leaves me to wonder how many would have voted for Sanders. It seems if all taxpayers pay for primaries then all taxpayers should be able to vote in them. Taxation without representation.
At any rate, Bernie has my support and I hope he stays in until the end. Even if he does not get the nomination he is bringing up issues America needs to hear. Who knows, with Clintons record and skeletons in the closet her campaign could implode any day.
At any rate, Bernie has my support and I hope he stays in until the end. Even if he does not get the nomination he is bringing up issues America needs to hear. Who knows, with Clintons record and skeletons in the closet her campaign could implode any day.
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Independents have only been blocked in states with closed primaries, which have been in the minority so far; the others have been open, which has clearly benefited Bernie.
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The only way for Clinton to become palatable for this Sanders supporter is if she picks a very smart and progressive running mate. It is critical to foster a new generation of leaders, like the Republicans, er, have done. Imagine a dual woman ticket!
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Exactly right. If HRC wants to keep Sanders voters while picking up corporate Republicans who hold their nose and vote for her, she'll need a young progressive to groom for the next races.
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No thank you. Elizabeth Warren is serving the most good as Senator from MA. I am still hoping for Mr. Sanders, and may not vote for the Clintons.
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It appears that a generation who has been told "no one loses, you are perfect, Mom and Dad validate your every move" missed out on learning how to lose.
How to NOT get precisely what you want.
As one who grew up in the 70s and learned through the bitter losses of most of our Democratic candidates (hand picked by visionaries who would rather be pure than to win), I have to say kids, this is part of life. So you either learn to say OK, didn't get what I want -- not 100%, but I'll keep on slogging and do what I can to make a better world, without My Bernie.
Build some character.
How to NOT get precisely what you want.
As one who grew up in the 70s and learned through the bitter losses of most of our Democratic candidates (hand picked by visionaries who would rather be pure than to win), I have to say kids, this is part of life. So you either learn to say OK, didn't get what I want -- not 100%, but I'll keep on slogging and do what I can to make a better world, without My Bernie.
Build some character.
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55 yo here. The sheep have begun to look up.
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I am not part of that generation - but do not blame generational differences.
1. Our generation was too lazy. if we did not teach them how to lose, it is our fault.
2. You really want to teach kids to compromise? no. I teach my kids to keep trying till the last moment - because the moment you comprise like Mrs. Clinton has done so many times on principles, you get banks that become four times bigger than they were during the crisis, you get failed foreign policies, a nepotistic government...
3. May be it is too late for you to build character? that is why you are choosing a characterless Clinton. Therefore, please stop condescending and let them teach you not to compromise and go for the best person which is Bernie.
1. Our generation was too lazy. if we did not teach them how to lose, it is our fault.
2. You really want to teach kids to compromise? no. I teach my kids to keep trying till the last moment - because the moment you comprise like Mrs. Clinton has done so many times on principles, you get banks that become four times bigger than they were during the crisis, you get failed foreign policies, a nepotistic government...
3. May be it is too late for you to build character? that is why you are choosing a characterless Clinton. Therefore, please stop condescending and let them teach you not to compromise and go for the best person which is Bernie.
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People say that Bernie has nudged Hilary to the left. I say its only in election rhetoric and not how she will look at her mandate if elected.
Even now, I hear her promising to bring manufacturing back to the US but not how. She has not nothing of the trade deals. Or of citizen's united.
Lets hope this is not just about going into history books; the country needs much more than that.
Even now, I hear her promising to bring manufacturing back to the US but not how. She has not nothing of the trade deals. Or of citizen's united.
Lets hope this is not just about going into history books; the country needs much more than that.
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Citizens United is a Supreme Court ruling; the only way it can be overturned is if liberal justices are appointed to the bench, which will not happen if a Republican is elected president.
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Sanders has been evolving in a bitter, entrenched ideologue. Sad to see, but from this very minute on he needs to understand that he is doing damage to the party he's not even a member of every day he continues. Everyone has heard his message, there is no need to badger us for months to come.
But if he DOES choose to continue, Clinton needs to challenge him to join her in campaigning with linked arms AGAINST Trump. No more of him going after Clinton, that's not going to help anyone anymore, least of all him. Enough.
But if he DOES choose to continue, Clinton needs to challenge him to join her in campaigning with linked arms AGAINST Trump. No more of him going after Clinton, that's not going to help anyone anymore, least of all him. Enough.
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I have grown so weary of all the negativity surrounding Hillary Clinton. Especially from younger women. She's not your best friend - you're not going to go to lunch or have movie nights with her. Stop acting like it's a betrayal. Hillary has had a life of public service that is admirable, especially as it concerns the rights of women and children. This is a job and it is our job as citizens of the United States to pick the best qualified candidate - and she is - in many respects even more than her husband was. It's business, not personal. Get over it.
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You are asking a lot from this 60yr old, lifelong Democrat to vote for a neocon mentee of Henry Kissinger & certified lackey of Wall Street.
Frankly, over-the-top........
The DNC should never have attempted to force this travesty down the throats of people concerned with social justice; a term obviously foreign to you.
Frankly, over-the-top........
The DNC should never have attempted to force this travesty down the throats of people concerned with social justice; a term obviously foreign to you.
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I believe that if I knew her personally it would be worse, and the reasons I find Ms. Clinton unacceptable are business.
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Somehow I'm not convinced.
Sanders life has been Vermont, just a little place with lots of water and simple people, and he is just too old. Time to move on and focus on Ms. Clinton. If not, we get Trump in the White House which is the equivalent to insanity.
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Well, no, actually. Sanders has been an important figure on the national stage in Congress since 1991, first as a congressman and currently as a senator and chairman of the Senate Committee on Veterans' Affairs. But yes, he needs to continue his valuable service there and help president Clinton when she is elected.
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How can you say she wins when they split the delegates?
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Because they split them unevenly with Clinton increasing her overall lead significantly. At this point in the nomination contest, that is, after the Ohio primary, Clinton's lead over Sanders in the pledged delegate count is greater than Obama's lead over Clinton in 2008. I am okay with proportional distribution of delegates, I think it makes a lot of sense in a nomination contest, at least, but the candidate who wins more delegates proportionally is usually classified as the winner.
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Sigh. Because she got more votes and more delegates. The did not split delegates equally. Hope this helps, but you can also review the data on the races in this very news outlet.
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I prefer Sanders, but I am perfectly willing to support Hillary if she's the nominee. I'm really worried about all the non-Republicans who claim they can't support her. Do they remember the 2000 election? If Gore had won, we'd never have been in Iraq. These things really do matter, not just to Americans, but to much of the world. George W. Bush surrounded himself with bad advisors who pushed him to do bad things. Trump is giving every sign of doing the same thing, given the people he's courting for his endorsements. I am worried that Hillary may have great difficulty defeating Trump. I hope the non-Republicans mulling this over will do the right thing and vote Democratic in November.
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Doubtless GOP strategists are licking their chops in hopes that the democratic presidential nominee will be Sanders, a candidate in his 70s, a self declared socialist and soon to be labelled a fervent communist (a lethal dog whistle for sure). He will be pummelled by Trump mercilessly. At least Clinton knows well how to fight such aggressive no holds barred right wing attacks. Sanders will be a sitting duck unfortunately, and his bid is likely to fail given a fickle low information electorate that put a bunch of gleeful stalwart GOP obstructionists in power not once but twice since 2010.
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It is now clear to everyone but the obsessive that Hillary will be the Democratic nominee. I wish it could have been Bernie, I really do - but life is not always fair. Any of the Bernie supporters who will not support Hillary deserve what they get - and that will be a world with Donald (or worse, Cruz) as president. Jobs will evaporate along with the safety net. Those of us who happen to be boomers will do fine - we have what we need to survive and enjoy our retirement - it is our children and grandchildren who will suffer and those are exactly the Bernie supporters who may allow this all to happen by refusing to admit that Hillary is indeed better than any of the Republican (or third party) alternatives. We didn't win our first rodeo with Clean Gene either - and we created a monster by not voting for Hubert. That monster was named Nixon.
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Unfortunately Hillary is a ‘New Democrat’ candidate - “Think Small. Aim Low. Change Nothing. Be Happy” - representing the interests & investments of Corporate America in her campaign and foundation. Under close scrutiny, her foreign policy experience is stunningly inept (Libya, Honduras), her actions on behalf of Wall Street interests (UBS, big banks) horribly corrupt, her failure to release speech transcripts arrogant and disrespectful of the voters, and her use of a private email server just incredibly stupid. It is impossible to see how such an extraordinarily flawed candidate goes far in November!
America and its economy simply cannot afford or withstand another Clinton presidency. And for reasons noted, I can no longer be guilted into voting for lesser evils. The future of America demands far better!
America and its economy simply cannot afford or withstand another Clinton presidency. And for reasons noted, I can no longer be guilted into voting for lesser evils. The future of America demands far better!
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Sad to see my skittish, fearful fellow Democrats gather around a pro-war, pro-police state, pro-charter (caste) school, corporatist Wall Street, dog whistle blowing chameleon.
She is, by the NYTimes numbers, 46% of the way to the nomination.
Sanders supporters need to double down on the $$ and organizing.
Chances are that California, Oregon, and Washington are solid Sanders territory and he could do just as well in New York as he did in Illinois.
Like Michigan, he was 30 points behind at the start of March in Illinois.
She is, by the NYTimes numbers, 46% of the way to the nomination.
Sanders supporters need to double down on the $$ and organizing.
Chances are that California, Oregon, and Washington are solid Sanders territory and he could do just as well in New York as he did in Illinois.
Like Michigan, he was 30 points behind at the start of March in Illinois.
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Yes, he has momentum and it is not over yet.
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Your Complaining is at a very high frequencey Sander's Supporters!! Why don't you argue that he's a superb V.P. candidate. Odds are Sander's will be.
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Doubtful.
Those who invoke Clinton’s “realism” against Bernie Sanders’ “quixotic” campaign to justify their vote are in for a rude awakening.
Clinton’s personal flaws, venality and disastrous record are well documented. As recently as last weekend she was again equivocating about fracking and the death penalty, and lying about Reagan’s stance on AIDS… That so many people still chose to support her is baffling.
On top of that, such choice doesn’t make sense from a strategic point of view: once nominated, Clinton will be eviscerated by Trump and the whole republican machine, an easier feat than eviscerating Sanders. More importantly, many independent voters and young people will stay home in November. Thus Clinton’s nomination is bringing us one giant step closer to a republican White House (which, naturally, will be blamed on Bernie Sanders, like it was blamed on Nader in 2000).
No matter who ends up in the White House, we’ll certainly get change, but only for the worse: a worsening status quo and perpetual war with Clinton, fascism in the face of mounting unrest, precipitated by growing climate chaos, with Trump…
God bless America, we’ll need it like never before.
Clinton’s personal flaws, venality and disastrous record are well documented. As recently as last weekend she was again equivocating about fracking and the death penalty, and lying about Reagan’s stance on AIDS… That so many people still chose to support her is baffling.
On top of that, such choice doesn’t make sense from a strategic point of view: once nominated, Clinton will be eviscerated by Trump and the whole republican machine, an easier feat than eviscerating Sanders. More importantly, many independent voters and young people will stay home in November. Thus Clinton’s nomination is bringing us one giant step closer to a republican White House (which, naturally, will be blamed on Bernie Sanders, like it was blamed on Nader in 2000).
No matter who ends up in the White House, we’ll certainly get change, but only for the worse: a worsening status quo and perpetual war with Clinton, fascism in the face of mounting unrest, precipitated by growing climate chaos, with Trump…
God bless America, we’ll need it like never before.
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With the future at stake: imagine what a difference these candidates could make if one went forward to the presidential election, and the other committed to energizing the down-ticket races. It's not about Hillary or about Bernie—it's about the country. A Democrat as President with a Democratic Congress would be a powerful partnership. Whoever is the candidate, some supporters will be disappointed. But our joint responsibility to the future makes it imperative for all progressives to collaborate to build toward success in November.
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So, vote Bernie from now on.
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Bernie talks about a revolution, but there's already another revolution that supports Trump...and they have guns! Revolutions may sound appealing, but they almost always create a lot of corpses. Clinton is by far the best way forward.
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slows Sanders momentum? Sorry...he's always been behind...always a lot behind in the democratic primary stakes and while he may have won Michigan..he fell even further behind that day. Time to stop with the cheering for one side or the other in order to make a "race" thats exciting and sells newspapers or tv commercials. The dem race is and has been over and Hillary is the presumptive nominee...
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I'm not surprised by all the Sanders supporters that now say that they will go fishing this November simply because their boy's philosophical car finally ran out of gas. They remind be of the spoiled brats that bolted the party in 2000 for Nader and, effectively, guaranteed Gore's loss to Bush in Florida.
So, please accept my invitation: don't show.
Then when a Republican president takes the oath of office in January 2017, the Sanders supporters masquerading as Democrats can accept the consequences of right wing appointments to the Supreme Court and an agenda that will reverse anything and everything that the Obama administration accomplished in the past eight (8) years.
So, please accept my invitation: don't show.
Then when a Republican president takes the oath of office in January 2017, the Sanders supporters masquerading as Democrats can accept the consequences of right wing appointments to the Supreme Court and an agenda that will reverse anything and everything that the Obama administration accomplished in the past eight (8) years.
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Now wait a minute. The Sanders supporters who are Democrats Will be voting for whoever the nominee is. But the independents who have straddled, may end up not voting for HRC. If she loses, it is because of her lack of appeal to independents, not because of the Democratic Bernie supporters. So don't start making excuses alreadt. This is not like Nadar in 2000--he split the vote with his 3rd party run.
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People don't trust Ms. Clinton, do not like Ms. Clinton, but because 90% of voters believes her sex matters, will voter for her. This was from yesterday's exit polls.
And fro Mr. Trump, they do not like him much either, but voted for him anyway.
So, it appears almost certain we will have Clinton and Trump as the choice, come November. The United States, as a result, will sink to a new low.
As lousy as Kasich is (ask any Ohioan); he is a better choice than Trump or Clinton.
Maybe Mr. Sanders was to "pie in the sky", but at least he has been steady on what he stood for, stayed on message, and did awaken many people to the real problems facing this country. All, completely ignored by the GOP, and only "embraced" by a constantly "remaking" Ms. Clinton to get votes. Once elected, it will be "let them eat cake".
Then again, people get the government they deserve.
As who will I vote for in November? Well, I plan to leave the box blank, as a protest to our broken political system. I will vote for all other offices, state and local issues. But, I do not want any part into putting into office another weak, self-serving, special interest controlled, president. We need to break the lineage of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton/Trump, in 2020. We just have to hope that between 2017 - 2020, whomever is coronated, they don't wreck this country, or the world, further.
And fro Mr. Trump, they do not like him much either, but voted for him anyway.
So, it appears almost certain we will have Clinton and Trump as the choice, come November. The United States, as a result, will sink to a new low.
As lousy as Kasich is (ask any Ohioan); he is a better choice than Trump or Clinton.
Maybe Mr. Sanders was to "pie in the sky", but at least he has been steady on what he stood for, stayed on message, and did awaken many people to the real problems facing this country. All, completely ignored by the GOP, and only "embraced" by a constantly "remaking" Ms. Clinton to get votes. Once elected, it will be "let them eat cake".
Then again, people get the government they deserve.
As who will I vote for in November? Well, I plan to leave the box blank, as a protest to our broken political system. I will vote for all other offices, state and local issues. But, I do not want any part into putting into office another weak, self-serving, special interest controlled, president. We need to break the lineage of Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama, Clinton/Trump, in 2020. We just have to hope that between 2017 - 2020, whomever is coronated, they don't wreck this country, or the world, further.
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There is no choice between Clinton and Trump. They both have their bad points and really bad points.
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Woohoo! The oligarchs can rejoice!
This country deserves everything it's about to get.
This country deserves everything it's about to get.
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She's Backkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Not that she ever left. Bernie Sander's Pie in the Sky rhetoric can just go so far.
The Millennials will ride his train forever, all that hoopla about free college education with notions of having their student loan debt forgiven has punched their ticket. For the rest of us, like that 8o's commercial for Wendy's asked, "Where's the Beef?"
Pie in the Sky promises can't cut it anymore. Voters want to hear concrete proposals and not what one economist said about Sander's is proposing, "Rainbows and puppies with lottery ticks attached to their collars,"
And Sanders, quit your bullying and slanderous hype. Enough of your insinuating that Hillary has been making deals behind closed doors when she speaks before wall Street audiences. The Public Speaking Business has determined a woman with her 'creds' gets the big bucks. She's not a senator from a state of 600,000 who can ask $5000 when he speaks at the Annual Vermont Maple Syrup Festival. She's a former First Lady who helped write her husbands Health Care Act, HillaryCare the Republicans called it as they tried to bully her, much like what you're doing today. She's a Former State Senator, New York, 21 Million, Former Secretary of State. Salary: The Big Bucks.
And those ticks of yours, all that flailing your arms and motioning to the on stage speech monitors you want to speak is distracting and rude. I'm sure Bill was throwing his shoes at the screen watching you try and steal the moment away.
Not that she ever left. Bernie Sander's Pie in the Sky rhetoric can just go so far.
The Millennials will ride his train forever, all that hoopla about free college education with notions of having their student loan debt forgiven has punched their ticket. For the rest of us, like that 8o's commercial for Wendy's asked, "Where's the Beef?"
Pie in the Sky promises can't cut it anymore. Voters want to hear concrete proposals and not what one economist said about Sander's is proposing, "Rainbows and puppies with lottery ticks attached to their collars,"
And Sanders, quit your bullying and slanderous hype. Enough of your insinuating that Hillary has been making deals behind closed doors when she speaks before wall Street audiences. The Public Speaking Business has determined a woman with her 'creds' gets the big bucks. She's not a senator from a state of 600,000 who can ask $5000 when he speaks at the Annual Vermont Maple Syrup Festival. She's a former First Lady who helped write her husbands Health Care Act, HillaryCare the Republicans called it as they tried to bully her, much like what you're doing today. She's a Former State Senator, New York, 21 Million, Former Secretary of State. Salary: The Big Bucks.
And those ticks of yours, all that flailing your arms and motioning to the on stage speech monitors you want to speak is distracting and rude. I'm sure Bill was throwing his shoes at the screen watching you try and steal the moment away.
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The let her make her speeches public. $11 MM of speech fees; hundreds of millions in campaign contributions; hundreds of millions to the Clinton Foundation; Goldman Sachs money in Chelsea's husband's hedge funds...
Experiece, you tell me - you tell me how she got her experience? She learned on the job and failed to learn as exemplified by Iraq, Libya, Honduras and the corruption that we have witnessed in Haiti.....
I am telling you - she is more risky than Trump. So vote Bernie - you people keep asking how will he implement his policies...if the media sat with him and had a proper discourse he would explain - instead the media wants to show people the Trump shows and interviews...
Experiece, you tell me - you tell me how she got her experience? She learned on the job and failed to learn as exemplified by Iraq, Libya, Honduras and the corruption that we have witnessed in Haiti.....
I am telling you - she is more risky than Trump. So vote Bernie - you people keep asking how will he implement his policies...if the media sat with him and had a proper discourse he would explain - instead the media wants to show people the Trump shows and interviews...
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Why did the NYT wait until March 14 to run the positive article by Jennifer S. about Sanders' legislative accomplishments? "The progressive who gets things done" is he, not she.
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I thought the same thing. A very informative article with insight into how he works with conservatives to do what will benefit us regular working folks.
Too little, too late.
Too little, too late.
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It simply is not possible to listen carefully to both Hillary and Sanders in debates and not come away with one question for Sanders: "HOW?"
Sanders policies are pie in the sky. Sensible people know there are two parties and at the present time one of those parties absolutely refuses to cooperate on ANY issue put forth by their opposition.
Now, it looks as if it will be Trump vs. Hillary. Consider what will happen when Hillary and Trump debate? Trump's boisterous, bellowing Hitlerian antics are going to get louder and louder. The louder HE gets, the more Hillary will use the most intelligent strategy: whisper so the bellowing Trump has to stop and listen. This is what smart mommies do when their kids pull nasty tantrums. And let's be honest, the Republican men these days are like out of control spiteful little boys. In fact, they are the stereotype of characters in the book, "The Lord of the Flies."
Take your pick on which characters in the book best fit the description of Republican men these days. There's Ralph aka Lindsay Graham struggling to keep the boys in order, Piggy aka Chris Christie, Roger aka Paul Ryan and the "littleuns" Cotton, Gowdy, Chaffetz and Issa. Take your pick...The GOP Lords of the Flies....and you know how that story ended.
Sanders policies are pie in the sky. Sensible people know there are two parties and at the present time one of those parties absolutely refuses to cooperate on ANY issue put forth by their opposition.
Now, it looks as if it will be Trump vs. Hillary. Consider what will happen when Hillary and Trump debate? Trump's boisterous, bellowing Hitlerian antics are going to get louder and louder. The louder HE gets, the more Hillary will use the most intelligent strategy: whisper so the bellowing Trump has to stop and listen. This is what smart mommies do when their kids pull nasty tantrums. And let's be honest, the Republican men these days are like out of control spiteful little boys. In fact, they are the stereotype of characters in the book, "The Lord of the Flies."
Take your pick on which characters in the book best fit the description of Republican men these days. There's Ralph aka Lindsay Graham struggling to keep the boys in order, Piggy aka Chris Christie, Roger aka Paul Ryan and the "littleuns" Cotton, Gowdy, Chaffetz and Issa. Take your pick...The GOP Lords of the Flies....and you know how that story ended.
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Well, it looks like its going to be Clinton vs Trump. I WILL NOT VOTE for either of them in November. I like Bernie but we all knew he didn't stand a fair chance of winning the Democratic primary as an Independent. The 2 party system in this country is one of the biggest problems with politics. Democrats and Republicans are basically the same. They both are corrupt and controlled by big money and special interests. In the end, we get screwed by all of them (no matter who the nominee is) because they simply don't care about our needs. NO-ONE-FOR 2016!
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It is odd to read so many Clinton supporters gloating and/or calling for Sanders to stop campaigning, and support Clinton. Sanders has had over 60% independent voters cast their ballot for him in the states where primaries allow them to do so... and the states that don't, well those are the numbers that won't come up until November. Republican primary turnout has been much, much higher than the Democrat side, if Clinton stands any kind of chance in November, she absolutely needs the independent votes. She has seven months to do so, but hasn't been able to in eight years.
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The winning popularity of Clinton and Trump--with Sanders sidelined--again demonstrates the persistent, ongoing dumbing down of America.
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Settle for Hillary: because real change is just too hard!
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These results broke my heart.
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And lifted mine !!!!
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Don't worry Bernie is going to run independent.
He was never a Democrat and Democrat (establishment) were never Bernie.
Independent Bernie 2016!
He was never a Democrat and Democrat (establishment) were never Bernie.
Independent Bernie 2016!
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Independent Bernie 2016=President Trump 2017.
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Reading through the comments I find it entertaining that people who are fearful of Trump becoming president and who support Bernie will refuse to vote for Hillary or vote at all should she become the nominee. Just think about what you are saying, then think for a moment about the consequences of your actions. Like many here I to think Bernie has brought great dialogue to the race, does he have the horsepower to beat Hilary or Donald? I doubt it. But fears of a Trump presidency far outweigh any negative feelings or misgivings I have about Hillary. When the time come be smart and unit the Republican Party.
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I beg to differ - Hillary presidency will be even more scary. For one, there will be more American interference and a cavalier attitude to regime change. The other will be to foster more income inequalities - the big banks are now four times larger than they were during the crisis - Trump may be scary - but Hillary is far worse.
There is still some time to vote for Bernie as an independent or a democrat.
There is still some time to vote for Bernie as an independent or a democrat.
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I know Sanders won't get the nomination, but I support him and have contributed a few hundred dollars to his campaign. Moreover, I will still support him, even if he can't run in the general election.
I never expected Bernie to get the nomination. Instead, I have wanted to send Clinton a message - about campaign contributions and Wall Street and economic inequality. Clinton must take these concerns seriously. She should not make back room deals with the One Percent in order to get elected.
These concerns are the concerns of many voters who she will have to depend on to turn out for her in the general election and who have supported Sanders thus far.
I never expected Bernie to get the nomination. Instead, I have wanted to send Clinton a message - about campaign contributions and Wall Street and economic inequality. Clinton must take these concerns seriously. She should not make back room deals with the One Percent in order to get elected.
These concerns are the concerns of many voters who she will have to depend on to turn out for her in the general election and who have supported Sanders thus far.
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Bernie Sanders brought forth real and important issues in his bid for the presidency but he is not going to win the Democratic nomination and at some point, sooner rather than later, he should throw his support to Hillary Clinton and voters that supported him should do the same. Moreover his uncompromising ideas and positions were never going to make it out of the White House. Think about it. The alternative of Donald Trump or Ted Cruz? For a Bernie Sanders supporter to say they're simply going to sit out the election or worse yet vote for one of the two craziest Republicans on the planet is mind blowing. Politics has always been a compromise and for anyone to say they won't support and vote for Clinton because she is flawed is not thinking their position through; anyone with experience is flawed and has made mistakes but overall on every major issue that I can think of she is more in line with my beliefs than any of the Republican candidates. Sanders, along with his supporters, should continue to work for his ideals in the Senate and most importantly get out and support candidates across the country so that the House and Senate can move toward more progressive candidates. And he should support Hillary Clinton because the alternatives are SO bad for our country that the gradual progress being made on progressive issues will be totally lost.
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Yup. Hillary won Ohio in '08, too. And as she said then, they sure do know how to pick a president! (Nice catch on that one NYT!)
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As they say at the Met, it ain’t over till the fat lady sings. The burning question now will be the seemingly inevitable face off between Donald and Hillary.
Burnie is a clearly fighter and all that has kept HRC from taking the easy road to a Democratic coronation. He needs to keep savaging Hillary’s ankles all the way to the convention and beyond. Maybe the Burn revolution will find its real power in life after inauguration day.
My bet is that a big chunk of the electorate in both camps will be voting with close-pins clamped on their noses, or looking for some kind of a third party superhero to materialize.
Burnie is a clearly fighter and all that has kept HRC from taking the easy road to a Democratic coronation. He needs to keep savaging Hillary’s ankles all the way to the convention and beyond. Maybe the Burn revolution will find its real power in life after inauguration day.
My bet is that a big chunk of the electorate in both camps will be voting with close-pins clamped on their noses, or looking for some kind of a third party superhero to materialize.
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To overwhelming message from the Democratic side is that getting bought by wall street is fine, routinely changing your positions based on polls is fine and taking tons of big money vs. small individual contributions is fine. That's the message that the Democrats sent last night, and that message will be hear load and clear in future cycles. Great job, guys. Way to stand up for your ideals.
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Well, it's pretty clear to me that Bernie is struggling to be the Democratic nominee, albeit I will support him. I would vote Trump over Clinton, in fact, I'd vote anybody over Clinton. I believe she is a sociopath: unprincipled, ruthless, murderously committed to war and violence, and unquestionably dishonest.
Thankfully, I think Bernie's got a plan B, and that's to run as an independent. I think the fundamental reason he ran to begin with is because he has no respect for Clinton's positions, her principles or the principles in Washington. I don't think he'll let us down. He's a brave man, and it's time to take back the nation. Feel the Bern!!
Thankfully, I think Bernie's got a plan B, and that's to run as an independent. I think the fundamental reason he ran to begin with is because he has no respect for Clinton's positions, her principles or the principles in Washington. I don't think he'll let us down. He's a brave man, and it's time to take back the nation. Feel the Bern!!
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"I believe [Hillary Clinton] is a sociopath: unprincipled, ruthless, murderously committed to war and violence, and unquestionably dishonest."
Kindly explain how your adjectives for HRC are not applicable to the despicably misogynistic, xenophobic, unctuous and psychopathic Donald Trump? How any Sanders supporter can say that they would vote for Trump rather than Clinton is INSANITY.
Kindly explain how your adjectives for HRC are not applicable to the despicably misogynistic, xenophobic, unctuous and psychopathic Donald Trump? How any Sanders supporter can say that they would vote for Trump rather than Clinton is INSANITY.
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@Carolyn ~ Anyone who truly believes in Senator Sanders' positions could never vote for Donald Trump. At some point, if Clinton secures the nomination, I think Sanders will ask his followers to support the Democratic candidate. If Bernie runs as an Independent he will prove the spoiler who enables Trump to win the Presidency. He and Hillary have engaged in civil discourse during their debates both displaying an intelligence that was lacking during the Republican debates.
You wrote about Hillary: "I believe she is a sociopath: unprincipled, ruthless,..." During Trump's victory speech last night, he again praised his friend Carl Icahn, an infamous corporate raider in some circles. Unprincipled and ruthless are adjectives that better describe him than Mrs. Clinton.
You wrote about Hillary: "I believe she is a sociopath: unprincipled, ruthless,..." During Trump's victory speech last night, he again praised his friend Carl Icahn, an infamous corporate raider in some circles. Unprincipled and ruthless are adjectives that better describe him than Mrs. Clinton.
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Anybody who has any knowledge of Clinton's history should be horrified at the prospect of her being president. Read and research who she is, what she's said and what she's done. Trump's transgressions pale in comparison to hers.
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I remain an ardent supporter of Bernie and am astounded that people, many doing so poorly, when offered the chance for a real change, don't see it and grab it. I don't understand all of the fuzzy math but I have to believe that in the larger more educated areas of the West and East Coast Bernie will sweep; it's not over till it's over. Floridas vote, being the home of Debby Wasserman Schultz, apparently a population that puts Israels interests before Americas, wealthy golfers and unfortunately lots of young, less educated, brainwashed Kids I spoke with in the last few days who want to " kill Issis people" didn't suprise me, nor did Chicago and the Rahm Emmanuel/ Goldman Sachs machine at full throttle, there is still at lot of time until the convention. I don't agree with some of the comments that Bernie has pulled Hillary to the left, if you don't know by know that Hillary will say anything for a vote and then pivot back to her masters you're dreaming. Last nights races were mostly close in states where I didn't give Bernie much hope and there's still over three months left before we need to consider voting for a third party(actually a second party as the two now are one in the same, the whole thing is a charade). If America is to survive as a democracy we need change, four years of the same failed fed policies of Greenspan and A.I.P.A.C. and Adelson dictating Hillaries foreign policy will finish us off. Go Bernie, don't give up, we love you and America desperately needs you!
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The interesting thing was Hillary's victory speech. On a big night, when she was lousy with success, where was the joy? Paging Doctor Obama!
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The United “Estates” of America have done well to serve their masters this election cycle, especially the fourth estate.
Issues like the email controversy, corruption at the Clinton Foundation, the Goldman Sachs speeches, influence of corporate donors, cavalier attitude to regime change and the promotion of unfair trade policies are touched carefully so as not to harm the United Estates' favorite daughter.
Videos of Mr. Sanders criticism of Clinton's policies surface with ease while Mrs. Clinton's criticism of Obama in the past are not played.
Mr. Sanders' speech last night does not get coverage. The mainstream media would rather show an empty room waiting for Mr. Trump. The mainstream media looked like well-dressed prostitutes pandering to their ratings and the lowest common denominator, the great pimp Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump proceeded to call them ‘disgusting’ and the media laughed – the situation seemed surreal and pathetic.
Mr. Sanders has a clean history and a clear vision for inclusive progress. He depends on 'fair' time from the media to articulate his policies. But others who vacillate and dance to the tune of public opinion without core values or history of judgment or trustworthiness get more time.
The kind of media coverage is typical of communism - His opponent’s slogans resemble a commercial for doughnut (Make America "Hole" Again?)
I am optimistic. You cannot fool all the people all the time and I think the Fifth Estate (the internet) can change the election.
Issues like the email controversy, corruption at the Clinton Foundation, the Goldman Sachs speeches, influence of corporate donors, cavalier attitude to regime change and the promotion of unfair trade policies are touched carefully so as not to harm the United Estates' favorite daughter.
Videos of Mr. Sanders criticism of Clinton's policies surface with ease while Mrs. Clinton's criticism of Obama in the past are not played.
Mr. Sanders' speech last night does not get coverage. The mainstream media would rather show an empty room waiting for Mr. Trump. The mainstream media looked like well-dressed prostitutes pandering to their ratings and the lowest common denominator, the great pimp Mr. Trump. Mr. Trump proceeded to call them ‘disgusting’ and the media laughed – the situation seemed surreal and pathetic.
Mr. Sanders has a clean history and a clear vision for inclusive progress. He depends on 'fair' time from the media to articulate his policies. But others who vacillate and dance to the tune of public opinion without core values or history of judgment or trustworthiness get more time.
The kind of media coverage is typical of communism - His opponent’s slogans resemble a commercial for doughnut (Make America "Hole" Again?)
I am optimistic. You cannot fool all the people all the time and I think the Fifth Estate (the internet) can change the election.
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Yeah, phew, that was close. The oligarchs almost had no candidate to shove down our throats.
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Last evening had to have been a sobering experience for us Bernie supporters. Bernie's chances of getting the nomination had been somewhere between slim and dim and now they seem to be approaching nil.
In being a booster for Bernie it was natural to be critical of Hillary and, God knows, there has been plenty to be critical of. Bernie and his supporters should certainly continue to point out the clear differences between the two candidates. But it is important to recognize that if Hillary gets the nomination, she will still be far and away the much better Presidential choice than anything the Republicans are fronting. Given then the likelihood that Hillary gets the nomination, the Bernie camp should avoid doing anything that might drive his soon-to-be disappointed supporters to vote for the Republican candidate. In the meanwhile, let's hope for a miracle and fight on!
In being a booster for Bernie it was natural to be critical of Hillary and, God knows, there has been plenty to be critical of. Bernie and his supporters should certainly continue to point out the clear differences between the two candidates. But it is important to recognize that if Hillary gets the nomination, she will still be far and away the much better Presidential choice than anything the Republicans are fronting. Given then the likelihood that Hillary gets the nomination, the Bernie camp should avoid doing anything that might drive his soon-to-be disappointed supporters to vote for the Republican candidate. In the meanwhile, let's hope for a miracle and fight on!
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It's over, Bernie. Get out with your dignity intact or become a laughingstock.
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Americans know what is right and what they believe in, but most of them have refused to do the right things. Many voted for HRC, but then said they were uncomfortable about their decision. This dishonest, corrupt, and bad judment woman can never be a good leader for the country. She will do more harm than good, just like the major harms she did and we have experienced.
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There's been a lot of focus on the disaffected Democrats who have registered to vote for Trump. The other side of the coin is that in November many moderate, politically active Republicans will vote for Clinton rather than Trump.
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I know it's complicated but no one polled me and I never got to vote for my
candidate. Buy the time I get to vote it's gonna be a choice between Mischief
and Mayhem ! Feels like third world elections. Maybe we can make like Burundi
and just get Obama to go for a third term..
candidate. Buy the time I get to vote it's gonna be a choice between Mischief
and Mayhem ! Feels like third world elections. Maybe we can make like Burundi
and just get Obama to go for a third term..
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I'm curious how much Bernie supporters contributed to Hillary's win by their ideas. To anyone grounded in a reality where the world is not black and white, the things they accuse her of are indeed blemishes, but do not undermine her evident devotion to and leadership in the liberal cause in America. It shows a fighter entrenched in the thick of a chaotic battle. While I understand Bernie's frustrations, as all liberals would, yelling unreasonable criticisms from the relative safety of the sidelines does not endear me to him. We want realistic plans of actions that will pass in this muckraking, obstructionist Congress.
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Sanders has been in Congress for 25 years...how much more establishment can you get?
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Well, he was an independent for many of those years, so he's not beholden to the same donors as most in the Democratic Party.
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This proves that Michigan was a fluke, and that she has the ability to pick herself up and get right back into it. This is a quality I want in a President.
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As a socialist, I would, of course, consider voting for Bernie Sanders. But his platform is totally unrealistic in a country like the United States. IT wouldn't even fly in my native Britain. I shall, therefore, be voting for Ms. Clinton, as should all who call themselves Democrats.
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Sanders is amassing millions of Democrat voters in these primaries.
These are people who won't vote for Hillary. They have become the swing vote.
After the convention, where will they go? Where will Bernie go?
He can't turn around and say it is OK for Wall Street to run the country.
He has created a 3rd party that can topple Hillary.
These are people who won't vote for Hillary. They have become the swing vote.
After the convention, where will they go? Where will Bernie go?
He can't turn around and say it is OK for Wall Street to run the country.
He has created a 3rd party that can topple Hillary.
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If he was so powerful, he would win the nomination.
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Sanders, to whom I sent $50, is not going to be the Democratic nominee for president.
This is not such a hard thing to wrap one's head around.
He doesn't and won't have the numbers necessary.
However, his supporters are sore losers and I truly doubt any of them will embrace Hillary, the ultimate Establishment candidate, the way they have Bernie, the anti-Establishment candidate.
They are largely young and very emotional.
And, as we have seen, don't vote the way their elders do.
Sanders, the great champion of the working class, minorities, elderly, lost all of those groups. Hillary won by securing the vote of the majority of the Black, Hispanic, elderly and working class communities.
Nice try, kids.
This is not such a hard thing to wrap one's head around.
He doesn't and won't have the numbers necessary.
However, his supporters are sore losers and I truly doubt any of them will embrace Hillary, the ultimate Establishment candidate, the way they have Bernie, the anti-Establishment candidate.
They are largely young and very emotional.
And, as we have seen, don't vote the way their elders do.
Sanders, the great champion of the working class, minorities, elderly, lost all of those groups. Hillary won by securing the vote of the majority of the Black, Hispanic, elderly and working class communities.
Nice try, kids.
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I don't know how much influence the NYTimes had by endorsing Hillary, but it has had a demonstrable negative editorial attitude against Bernie that doesn't help it's supposed progressive bent. I would wish that Bernie were doing better with the Times help. Hillary represents more of the same to us true progressives, and it will feel like we have chosen the lesser of two evils to vote against Drumpf instead of truly voting for the most worthy candidate.
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It certainly appears that Bernie has little chance of winning the nomination. And I don't think that Hillary will turn around and offer the VP nomination to him -- nor should he accept, if by some miracle she thinks that this will help her win. Should she be the next president, I doubt that she will be as gracious to her opponent as President Obama was to her.
Progressives now should focus on the convention and the general election, not just to make sure Trump or Cruz does not win, but to make a Clinton presidency mean something. That will require Sanders supporters give their votes to Hillary, but I hope they extract a price for them: planks in the platform to work for much higher income and capital gains taxes on the highest earners, a Wall Street tax to fund free college tuition, a proposal for national health care, much stronger assistance to workers who lose their jobs to foreign competition, an end to super-PACs and the corrupt campaign financing that Citizens United has produced, a call to end regime-change adventures that have depleted our national resources and tarnished our image around the world. And progressives need to exact a pledge that cabinet members will include their representatives -- people like Robert Reich and Joseph Stiglitz -- not just recycled Wall Street cronies from her husband's administration. The political revolution can still come to fruition withou Bernie, but it will take greater and constant pressure from us.
Progressives now should focus on the convention and the general election, not just to make sure Trump or Cruz does not win, but to make a Clinton presidency mean something. That will require Sanders supporters give their votes to Hillary, but I hope they extract a price for them: planks in the platform to work for much higher income and capital gains taxes on the highest earners, a Wall Street tax to fund free college tuition, a proposal for national health care, much stronger assistance to workers who lose their jobs to foreign competition, an end to super-PACs and the corrupt campaign financing that Citizens United has produced, a call to end regime-change adventures that have depleted our national resources and tarnished our image around the world. And progressives need to exact a pledge that cabinet members will include their representatives -- people like Robert Reich and Joseph Stiglitz -- not just recycled Wall Street cronies from her husband's administration. The political revolution can still come to fruition withou Bernie, but it will take greater and constant pressure from us.
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It's worth noting that, in her speech last night, Hillary congratulated Sen, Sanders on the "vigorous campaign he's been waging.". However, Sanders did not congratulate her on her victories last night, as is traditional. That was pretty low class. Bernie.
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It's also worth noting that last week, when Senator Sanders beat her, Hillary did not congratulate him on the vigorous campaign he has been waging.
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If Sanders steps aside, my interest in the election has evaporated. How do I vote for candidates that I cannot trust or have any faith in? I am a registered democrat, but not one that will vote for a democrat just because there is no better choice. The democratic party and the media establishment has done a disservice to a huge portion of voters by pushing HRC.
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Then you are not, by definition, a Democrat.
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What a luxury to not have to worry about who becomes president. You must not be poor, or a minority, or a woman who wants reproductive rights. Oh and you must not care about the environment either.
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kathyinct - Blind allegiance to anything is not only dangerous, but also represents a failure of independent thought. And, by the way, Hillary isn't really a "Democrat" either.
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Hillary knows the only chance the younger generation has is Bernie Sanders.
Yet she is willing to cut their throats to become the 1st female president.
Her acceptance of money from the honchos who robbed us a few years ago, who are still not in prison, make her unfit to be president of anything that matters.
Mr. Sanders platform of honesty and Democratic Socialism, which brought us Socialist Medicare, Socialist Social Security, Socialist Medicaid, Socialist Public education, Socialist Libraries, Socialist Interstate Highways, etc, etc were quickly commandeered by Clinton once she realized that Sanders was going to overtake her machine. She then began a remarkable plagiarism. This astonishes one who welcomed Bernie Sanders as "The" alternative to the "Know it all" politicians who constantly run the country into the ground for their masters gain. There was a clear difference that is now muddied by her dishonest maneuvering. Super Pacs that stand to gain the most from preventing a Sanders revolution, amplify her plagiarism. She is the cheap knock off that the thieving honcho's are presenting to us as the real thing. But there is only one who cares for the younger generation and our nation. Bernie Sanders.
Yet she is willing to cut their throats to become the 1st female president.
Her acceptance of money from the honchos who robbed us a few years ago, who are still not in prison, make her unfit to be president of anything that matters.
Mr. Sanders platform of honesty and Democratic Socialism, which brought us Socialist Medicare, Socialist Social Security, Socialist Medicaid, Socialist Public education, Socialist Libraries, Socialist Interstate Highways, etc, etc were quickly commandeered by Clinton once she realized that Sanders was going to overtake her machine. She then began a remarkable plagiarism. This astonishes one who welcomed Bernie Sanders as "The" alternative to the "Know it all" politicians who constantly run the country into the ground for their masters gain. There was a clear difference that is now muddied by her dishonest maneuvering. Super Pacs that stand to gain the most from preventing a Sanders revolution, amplify her plagiarism. She is the cheap knock off that the thieving honcho's are presenting to us as the real thing. But there is only one who cares for the younger generation and our nation. Bernie Sanders.
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Three key uberdelegates yet to vote that could decide the nomination: FBI, Grand Jury, and Justice Department
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Enjoy it Clinton fans because this Sanders fan, and his wife, will enthusiastically vote GOP if she's the nominee and there will millions more.
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Trump is better than Bernie. So your threats of voting for Trump because your candidate has no support from actual members of the Democratic party mean nothing to us.
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Then you and your wife, Jim, are not really progressives, are you?
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Then you never cared about his policies in the first place.
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Bernie's comments on Corporate America making products in the USA. Have we already forgotten the huge "Made in Amerca" push in the 1980's. I was in manufacturing at the time. The push was to get American consumers to look for the "Made in America" label and buy those products. Well consumers totally ignored the whole thing and bought the lowest price products, not caring where they were made. Consumers are not prepared to pay the price increase that many products would require to be made here. It is easy to point at Corporate America for all our ills but I was part of that push in the 80's and a big part of the issue was the American Consumer. Bernie is not lashing out at Americans for buying those products though because he wants their votes.
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I applaud Senator Sanders for a brilliant campaign, and improbable achievements in this race that helped moved the Democrats where they need to be to keep a GOP gone mad out of the White House.
His grass roots-financed success brought issues and constituencies- usually almost completely ignored by "establishment" media and political leaders- to the very center of the Democratic debate. Bernie's wins pushed the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton to adopt many of their central concerns, going forward.
I am confident Bernie will keep playing a positive role in the campaign, and hope his supporters, while disappointed, will do the same. Back in August, in ruling out an independent run, Bernie said this: “I made the promise that I would not, and I will keep that promise. The reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/27/no-bernie-sand...
His grass roots-financed success brought issues and constituencies- usually almost completely ignored by "establishment" media and political leaders- to the very center of the Democratic debate. Bernie's wins pushed the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton to adopt many of their central concerns, going forward.
I am confident Bernie will keep playing a positive role in the campaign, and hope his supporters, while disappointed, will do the same. Back in August, in ruling out an independent run, Bernie said this: “I made the promise that I would not, and I will keep that promise. The reason for that is I do not want to be responsible for electing some right-wing Republican to be president of the United States.”
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/27/no-bernie-sand...
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The headline shows again the bias against Hillary Clinton. What loss Michigan, a few points but still a winning delegate count for Clinton and huge victories last evening. Sanders will continue his tired rant, both he and his supporters spinning spinning when the primaries don't being him a win. Clinton had every right, as any PRIVATE citizen to command as much payment for her speeches as any one else. As Sanders becomes increasingly more negative he will continue to motivate Mrs. Clintons supporters to go out a vote. Realism over pipe dreams, majority of Americans are willing to earn their way and derive satisfaction from their hard work.
Hillary Clinton has proven to be a qualified, policy presenting, tireless worker dedicated to helping all Americans versus a fascist, hate spewing, narcissistic, racist, bigoted Trump. The choice is clear that it is Hillary for President 2016 .
Hillary Clinton has proven to be a qualified, policy presenting, tireless worker dedicated to helping all Americans versus a fascist, hate spewing, narcissistic, racist, bigoted Trump. The choice is clear that it is Hillary for President 2016 .
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Sure she had a right, but she did not phrase it that way. Instead of saying , "I wanted every cent I could get", she lied and said that in 2012 she did not know she would run for president so how could she have predicted the apparent conflict of interest? Then the other day Bill Clinton goes on record saying he was preparing her as early as 2011 to have to face Marco Rubio in the general election.If she just cannot bring herself to tell the truth about things such as these, it really makes one wonder about the bigger issues that are out there, like war votes and TPP etc.I used to like her ,voted for her in the 2008 primary, but her inability to give a straight answer eventually got on my nerves. She is a courageous woman in so many ways to be where she is, but she has lacked political courage on a bunch of issues.
And if she gets the nomination yes I will vote for her, but I worry she will lose to Trump because she cannot stay the course on her issues.
And if she gets the nomination yes I will vote for her, but I worry she will lose to Trump because she cannot stay the course on her issues.
Hillary vs. Donald. This is the best America has to offer?
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Of course not.
And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
It IS what America is offering.
So we can whine about the sadness and darkness, or go get and light a candle and make the best of what we have.
I vote -- candle!
And if wishes were horses, beggars would ride.
It IS what America is offering.
So we can whine about the sadness and darkness, or go get and light a candle and make the best of what we have.
I vote -- candle!
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Actually of the candidates who were running they were the best from each party.
People often (and the media always) denigrate "older women" as being stupid, ugly, a joke, incompetent and generally "washed up." They're excluded from good jobs and from respect in general.
Well, sorry folks, older women are some of the strongest, the wisest and the best members of any community.
Hillary Clinton is one tough, compassionate, smart person. And I'm with her all the way.
Well, sorry folks, older women are some of the strongest, the wisest and the best members of any community.
Hillary Clinton is one tough, compassionate, smart person. And I'm with her all the way.
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Enough with the wise women
Golda Meir and the 1973 Yom Kipur Fiasco
Indira Gandhi murdered by her own Sikh Bodygard after cracking down on Sikhs
Delma Ruseff overseeing PetroBras Cleptocracy
Carly Fiorina Spying on her Board at HP
Margaret Thatcher destroying Britains Social Structure to the point that nobody would attend her memorial
Golda Meir and the 1973 Yom Kipur Fiasco
Indira Gandhi murdered by her own Sikh Bodygard after cracking down on Sikhs
Delma Ruseff overseeing PetroBras Cleptocracy
Carly Fiorina Spying on her Board at HP
Margaret Thatcher destroying Britains Social Structure to the point that nobody would attend her memorial
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I'm really disappointed in yesterday's results. I was looking forward to the looks on the Sanders' supporters faces when they find out how much of their pay will be reduced by taxes necessary to fund their fantasies.
Something tells me no one's budget would allow it.
Something tells me no one's budget would allow it.
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Sanders's proposals raise taxes only on those making at least $250,000. Your point is moot.
In 2008, when the margin between Obama and Clinton was 100 delegates and she was winning state after state (usually over performing her poll numbers while underperformed his), the calls for her to drop out were constant.
In 2016, with the margin between Clinton and Sanders at least 3x that 2008 margin and with zero possibility mathematically of him being able to catch up, I've yet to hear the media insisting Sanders drop out.
Why is that?
In 2016, with the margin between Clinton and Sanders at least 3x that 2008 margin and with zero possibility mathematically of him being able to catch up, I've yet to hear the media insisting Sanders drop out.
Why is that?
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I am a stalwart Sanders supporter.
But, of course I will support Secretary Clinton if she is the eventual nominee. If nothing else (and there is indeed a vast parade of other horrors) the possibility of Trump or Cruz appointing one to three Supreme Court justices must be avoided at all costs.
My fellow Sander supporters who promise to sit out the general election are being horribly irresponsible.
But, of course I will support Secretary Clinton if she is the eventual nominee. If nothing else (and there is indeed a vast parade of other horrors) the possibility of Trump or Cruz appointing one to three Supreme Court justices must be avoided at all costs.
My fellow Sander supporters who promise to sit out the general election are being horribly irresponsible.
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Trump represents a clear and present danger to our democracy and standing in the world. Really, this is a national emergency. It's time to for all decent people, starting with Democrats, to unite to defeat him.
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It was a great victory for the 1% last night. Shows how fearful the American public is of change. Eventually when things get bad enough for them they'll change. Hopefully for the better. Big corporations have known for along time how to sell the public food that kills them (just put enough sugar in it). HRC knows this marketing strategy well. Bernie is the unsweetened truth. The public wants their sweetness. They got it with Hillary. But now they'll have continue drinking dirty tap water.
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Maybe the American public just wants responsible, practical change.
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If HRC, if elected, follows in the footsteps of President Obama (over the last three years), it is doubtful there will be any change.
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I watched the Donald on the tube and people eating up his I'm going to make things better spiel. It is so simplistic as to be unbelievable, but it's selling.
So many who have lost so much are fed up and want change, any change.
And the change doesn't have to rational.
Clinton fails to capture that malaise because she is part of the problem that caused it.
She took speaking fees from people who should have been on the bus to Rikers.
Many have bought into the false equivalencies argument. Many more will.
That there is little difference.
That never before have two such untrustworthy people been in contention for the presidency. (true in my life time)
Who would vote for her if she were under indictment?
If she is indicted before the election we will have a President Trump.
Justice gets huge budget increases in funding under fascism so bet on it.
So many who have lost so much are fed up and want change, any change.
And the change doesn't have to rational.
Clinton fails to capture that malaise because she is part of the problem that caused it.
She took speaking fees from people who should have been on the bus to Rikers.
Many have bought into the false equivalencies argument. Many more will.
That there is little difference.
That never before have two such untrustworthy people been in contention for the presidency. (true in my life time)
Who would vote for her if she were under indictment?
If she is indicted before the election we will have a President Trump.
Justice gets huge budget increases in funding under fascism so bet on it.
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Mr. Sanders has been a fresh voice for the disenfranchised in the 2016 campaign. But his message has been well-heard and still the voters are choosing Mrs. Clinton.
It is not encouraging to hear Mr. Sanders and his team continue to make statements that disparage Mrs. Clinton. If Mr. Sanders wants to be a real progressive, he will need to rally behind Mrs. Clinton at some point soon. The handwriting is clear; Mrs. Clinton will be the Democratic party nominee. She has a bigger delegate lead over Mr. Sanders than he can overcome.
We need to vote for the Democratic nominee if we are to prevent a republican win and we progressives need to talk up, not talk down, the Democratic nominee for POTUS.
Vote Democrat, Vote for Hillary!
It is not encouraging to hear Mr. Sanders and his team continue to make statements that disparage Mrs. Clinton. If Mr. Sanders wants to be a real progressive, he will need to rally behind Mrs. Clinton at some point soon. The handwriting is clear; Mrs. Clinton will be the Democratic party nominee. She has a bigger delegate lead over Mr. Sanders than he can overcome.
We need to vote for the Democratic nominee if we are to prevent a republican win and we progressives need to talk up, not talk down, the Democratic nominee for POTUS.
Vote Democrat, Vote for Hillary!
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Bernie supporters: Don’t give up on your candidate, have him be that gadfly Clinton might need. She does tend to be hawkish and in her own words, none of this is natural to her so sometimes what she says can make the staunchest supporter wince. But she has the skill set to hold the ship on course. Sanders brings important insights into what that course should be. He has recently gotten a bit testy, however, and that respect he talked about in the early debates isn’t showing these days. We’ll see if it’s authentic vs for the cameras, which I hope it is. I’d like to see him stay around and be irritating and get young people more involved.
Imagine, though - we might have a grandmother for president! If I were an anthropologist looking in, I’d guess that meant a certain strength or wisdom within a culture. I am so ready to see what it means.
Imagine, though - we might have a grandmother for president! If I were an anthropologist looking in, I’d guess that meant a certain strength or wisdom within a culture. I am so ready to see what it means.
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Huge Hillary admirer here. But please let's not sneeringly demand that Bernie get out of the race. Doesn't anyone remember how that felt for us in 2008?
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america died th day bush was appointed president
all that followed was just a sad attempt to postpone it as long as possible
w th current field of candidates wishing to be president, americas demise is going full speed
all that followed was just a sad attempt to postpone it as long as possible
w th current field of candidates wishing to be president, americas demise is going full speed
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Republicans will most likely keep the House. They have a 60 vote majority there. Thanks to Gerrymandered districts very few seats are actually competitive. They hold the majority in the Senate and stand a good chance of keeping it. They are salivating for the presidency and realization of the dream of controlling both the legislative and executive branches whereby they will begin to institute their dream budgets. And their dreams are your nightmares.
So sure, sulk, stay home, write in Donald Duck, vote Green, etc. But remember, as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, Food Stamps, Disability, Public Housing, and basically ALL the key programs that comprise the social safety net, as inadequate as it may be, are decimated, and people do actually begin to die as a result, take full responsibility for the part that you have played in the destruction.
So sure, sulk, stay home, write in Donald Duck, vote Green, etc. But remember, as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, Obamacare, Food Stamps, Disability, Public Housing, and basically ALL the key programs that comprise the social safety net, as inadequate as it may be, are decimated, and people do actually begin to die as a result, take full responsibility for the part that you have played in the destruction.
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One of the good things about Hillary's wins is that the authors of this column will be put on the journalistic equivalent of the back burner. They completed their assignment to nail Bernie and should be rewarded with a very, very long vacation.
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yes, these two writers single handedly brainwashed millions of American voters -- most of whom don't even read the Times.
Boy, are they powerful!
Boy, are they powerful!
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Don't you mean don't read anything at all.
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Good -- I'm glad Bernie is finally his overdue comeuppance at long last. While Hillary Clinton is far from perfect, I can safely vote for her (without cringing) warts and all. HRC has the foresight to start looking ahead to the Philadelphia convention and the general election. Bernie's noble crusade against Wall Street and our corrupt corporate culture rapidly became nothing more than a series of anti-Hillary Clinton cheap shots. Bernie Sanders is nothing more Republican lite and it's time he packed in and called it a day.
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Sanders should (and I presume will) stay in it for the long haul -- all the way to the convention unless HRC can actually win the necessary delegates. He'll strengthen his bargaining position, try to force serious, not-just-rhetorical concessions from HRC (and cabinet roles are right out, I would think; policy concessions and promises she can be held to, theoretically) such that the base actually comes out and votes for HRC in the general. Presuming he doesn't pull off a major comeback, that is.
Of course, Clintonites and other "centrists" don't want that. Which is why you see them trying to herd people into demanding Sanders drop out. While the same people want Kasich, who has zero chance, to stay in. Interesting, no?
Anyway, Sanders has lots of money, lots of support, and he clearly wants to demonstrate just how much support is out there for a true progressive. Blazin' a trail for the next person to take this route: he's proven you don't need corporate money or to triangulate to do very, very well.
Of course, Clintonites and other "centrists" don't want that. Which is why you see them trying to herd people into demanding Sanders drop out. While the same people want Kasich, who has zero chance, to stay in. Interesting, no?
Anyway, Sanders has lots of money, lots of support, and he clearly wants to demonstrate just how much support is out there for a true progressive. Blazin' a trail for the next person to take this route: he's proven you don't need corporate money or to triangulate to do very, very well.
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As a Bernie Sanders supporter, I of course hoped he would have had a better showing yesterday. For me, his message is that of the traditional Democratic party - that of FDR, Truman, LBJ, Humphrey etc. And there is nothing socialist, pie-in-the sky, or unrealistic about it. That message, those policies, worked to bring the greatest degree of economic security and prosperity to the greatest number of people ever.
It's also clear, barring something unforeseen, that Sec'y. Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. I will vote for her and do everything I can to get others to do the same. Republicans win when Democrats don't show up to vote, and we can't let that happen.
However, insofar as Sanders is criticized for promising things that cannot be achieved, and Clinton is viewed as the pragmatist, I disagree.
A universal health care system, or however one labels it, is doable. Other "first world" countries have done it, and at less cost than our present system. Free, or minimal cost, higher education at public institutions is doable. We forget that that that was once the norm at many such schools. Rebuilding our dilapidated infrastructure is doable. We've tackled such massive projects before - TVA, rural electrification, irrigation, the interstate highway system - the list goes on. And this would create tons of jobs that cannot be shipped overseas.
As we proceed toward November Sec'y. Clinton should not shrink from embracing these things. Too much is at stake.
It's also clear, barring something unforeseen, that Sec'y. Clinton will be the Democratic nominee. I will vote for her and do everything I can to get others to do the same. Republicans win when Democrats don't show up to vote, and we can't let that happen.
However, insofar as Sanders is criticized for promising things that cannot be achieved, and Clinton is viewed as the pragmatist, I disagree.
A universal health care system, or however one labels it, is doable. Other "first world" countries have done it, and at less cost than our present system. Free, or minimal cost, higher education at public institutions is doable. We forget that that that was once the norm at many such schools. Rebuilding our dilapidated infrastructure is doable. We've tackled such massive projects before - TVA, rural electrification, irrigation, the interstate highway system - the list goes on. And this would create tons of jobs that cannot be shipped overseas.
As we proceed toward November Sec'y. Clinton should not shrink from embracing these things. Too much is at stake.
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Oy, sure and t'is a sad night...
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Just want to point out that Hills was Secretary of State when Syria fell apart. What a hot mess. What a history that'll turn out to be when its written.
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It was all about name recognition and too much Trump. If it were the ideas and issues Sanders would have won.
The media ignored Bernie Sanders ans loved the Trump who really belongs in jail.
Maybe Bernie didn't run the most entertaining campaign or the smartest but it was the most honest. I will never vote for a Republican but the younger generation needs to continue to stand up and ignore what the pundits say to tell them they don't belong and to stay away from the voting booth. That is what the medias agenda has been all about, entertainment and and name recognition is best for them to make money.
The media ignored Bernie Sanders ans loved the Trump who really belongs in jail.
Maybe Bernie didn't run the most entertaining campaign or the smartest but it was the most honest. I will never vote for a Republican but the younger generation needs to continue to stand up and ignore what the pundits say to tell them they don't belong and to stay away from the voting booth. That is what the medias agenda has been all about, entertainment and and name recognition is best for them to make money.
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It's impossible to dislike Bernie Sanders, and I don't believe Hillary is going to turn her back on him. She's smart enough to know how valuable he is and recognize the tremendous influence he's had on the campaign. However, I am keeping my fingers crossed for Clinton-Warren ticket. I'd love to see two smart women trounce the Donald.
Hillary had her best Town Hall the other day with Chris Matthews on MSNBC. I'm not a fan of Matthews, but I was very impressed with the intellectual substance of this effort.
Hillary had her best Town Hall the other day with Chris Matthews on MSNBC. I'm not a fan of Matthews, but I was very impressed with the intellectual substance of this effort.
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Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump winning equals America and Americans losing.
How did a nation with 320 million diverse people end up with this flotsam floating to the surface?
How did a nation with 320 million diverse people end up with this flotsam floating to the surface?
7
Time for parents to start telling their young adults the truth. Bernie Sanders nor the man in the moon can give them a free education. If anyone can help them with college expenses it would be Hillary Clinton. Does any young adult think Donald Trump would do a thing about their college expenses? His appeal is to many people who have and/or do not desire a college education. And he'll keep it that way.
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Mrs Clinton: “I stood up for our companies in New York..."
Yes, she did, bless her heart. Wall Street companies and banks haven't forgotten her.
Yes, she did, bless her heart. Wall Street companies and banks haven't forgotten her.
7
Bernie's problem was that he made promises on goals that are just not plausible to achieve even in a two term presidency. I agree, free public college tuition and healthcare should be benefits to being an American citizen, but such change will take a very long time. Why? Because of legacy and resistance by so many parties vested in the current system. PLAIN AND SIMPLE.
In any case, Bernie talked with such honesty, integrity, and admirable intention. I'm very sad that he won't win. Hillary has made some very painful mistakes that will make "Stumping the Trump" an extremely arduous task. But it must be done. If Trump wins, it will be timely to invest in the pharmaceutical industry, as anti-depressant medications will skyrocket. How else could one live in an America led by Trump?
In any case, Bernie talked with such honesty, integrity, and admirable intention. I'm very sad that he won't win. Hillary has made some very painful mistakes that will make "Stumping the Trump" an extremely arduous task. But it must be done. If Trump wins, it will be timely to invest in the pharmaceutical industry, as anti-depressant medications will skyrocket. How else could one live in an America led by Trump?
2
As the West votes I think Clinton will prevail. Most hard-working Americans do not want the taxes Sanders advocates. He would truly be much more of a disaster on the world stage. Nice try but no go candidate.
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Such a disappointing night. I voted for Clinton in the 2008 primary and have never voted for a republican but as things stand right now I'm defecting to Trump if Clinton is the nominee.
Aside from the fact I believe she is a liar with no core principles I think that she guarantees gridlock and more of the same. She is also an extremely selfish candidate, I believe she is running to be president with the full knowledge that gridlock will continue because of the baggage she carries and the republicans hatred of the Clinton machine, whether it is justified or not.
To me Clinton is more of the same while trump is a roll of the dice. Trump talks about compromising, Clinton lists republicans along with insurance companies and Iran as her enemies.
Aside from the fact I believe she is a liar with no core principles I think that she guarantees gridlock and more of the same. She is also an extremely selfish candidate, I believe she is running to be president with the full knowledge that gridlock will continue because of the baggage she carries and the republicans hatred of the Clinton machine, whether it is justified or not.
To me Clinton is more of the same while trump is a roll of the dice. Trump talks about compromising, Clinton lists republicans along with insurance companies and Iran as her enemies.
5
I don't understand how anyone who was a supporter of Bernie could possibly vote for Donald Trump, who is the antithesis of everything the progressive movement stands for.
8
I'm a young person, and while I agree with some of Sanders' stances on paper, I didn't believe in them, and I think you'd find a surprising number of older millennials (late 20s/early30s) who didn't either. I certainly don't speak for the whole of my age group, but enough of my peers have felt like he's missed the boat on important issues to be an issue for him. Especially issues like race and gun control. There are inequalities in our culture and country that cannot be corrected by taxing the rich at a higher level—income inequality, high student loan debt and lower wages are things my generation has to deal with (issues that may ardent Sanders' supporters refuse to acknowledge that Clinton addressed early in her campaign as well, but many of us who were paying attention to both candidates took stock in), but there are other issues just as important to us. I'm having my first child in a few months, he may grow up in a world where is parents still have to pay student loan payments each month (and lets face it, for those of us already out of college, there's really nothing that will help us), but I want a leader who will address the fact that being black in America is dangerous and that no amount of healthcare will change the fact that kids are getting gunned down for wearing sweatshirts—these are points that Bernie lost in, he can say how much he cares about racial equality, but besides attending civil rights marches 50 years ago hasn't shown a strong enough stance on.
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A disappointing day for Sanders supporters. Should he lose against Hillary (at this point I don't see how he could win), I will not vote for Hillary in order to prevent a Trump presidency. To cast a vote is to make an important moral decision, and I cannot in good conscience vote for Hillary, even to help prevent a Trump presidency. Many of you, I am aware, wouldn't mind another Bill Clinton or Obama, but I cannot abide their hawkishness, nor their economic moderatism. The Democratic Party has moved so far to the right within the last few decades that to be a moderate in America is to be a right-winger in the rest of the civilized world. So I will do the sensible thing and find a third party candidate who best represents my views (perhaps Jill Stein). If you're voting for Hillary not because you agree with her but because you don't want Trump to be president, then you are only part of the problem. Don't fall into the trap of lesser-evilism. It has only ever led us astray.
6
A truly moral choice is making sure Donald Trump never becomes president, and the only way you do that is by voting for Hillary in November.
5
Sorry Bernie, and I do still "Feel the Bern," but the party is over. The "revolution" has failed and it is now up to all of us Democrats to rally around Hillary. We all know her flaws--consistent bad judgment on using a private email server, getting astronomical speaking fees from Wall Street, and backing hawkish regime change in Libya and Syria, but now she's our candidate. My only hope is that she'll also "Feel the Bern" and tap Elizabeth Warren to be her running mate and thereby secure the youth vote that has eluded her and that she needs to turnout in order to win in November. As I've said in these page about a woman President and Vice-President, "If you're going to break the glass ceiling, why not shatter it."
5
Bernie needs to tone down the attacks.
He had promised to not sling mud but boy is he a great pitcher!
And now that it's abundantly clear that he does not have a cross-section of Democrats behind him and is not surging neither in the popular vote nor delegate count, while Hillary leads in both popular and delegates b y ginormous margins, he should keep pushing for reforms, but stop stooping to dirty politics of half-truths and and snide commentary.
He belittles himself even as it satisfies his raging base.
He had promised to not sling mud but boy is he a great pitcher!
And now that it's abundantly clear that he does not have a cross-section of Democrats behind him and is not surging neither in the popular vote nor delegate count, while Hillary leads in both popular and delegates b y ginormous margins, he should keep pushing for reforms, but stop stooping to dirty politics of half-truths and and snide commentary.
He belittles himself even as it satisfies his raging base.
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I read several comments, sounding full of relief, that Mrs. Clinton won primaries after her loss in Michigan. The commenters call for Bernie to withdraw, because they say, he cannot get the nomination.
I am a Bernie supporter, but will vote for Hillary if she is named the party nominee.
But, in fact, the nomination hasn't been won by either candidate at this time.
And, to my mind, the presence of two good potential candidates is a positive for the Democratic Party.
So, I welcome and support the continuing candidacy of Senator Sanders.
I am a Bernie supporter, but will vote for Hillary if she is named the party nominee.
But, in fact, the nomination hasn't been won by either candidate at this time.
And, to my mind, the presence of two good potential candidates is a positive for the Democratic Party.
So, I welcome and support the continuing candidacy of Senator Sanders.
8
The fight for the nomination is not over. Sanders is behind by about 300 delegates (without the superdelegate said that the press insists on including in the count).
Are the odds against him? Yes.
Is the media behind Hillary? For whatever reason, yes.
We still have half of the nomination period to go. Let the people decide before the media and establishment coronation begins.
It's not mathematically over.
Are the odds against him? Yes.
Is the media behind Hillary? For whatever reason, yes.
We still have half of the nomination period to go. Let the people decide before the media and establishment coronation begins.
It's not mathematically over.
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I'm delighted with Hillary's performance yesterday! And relieved.
It's time for Sanders to wrap things up now and exit the stage - if this is really about the American people and not about his personal ego. Unfortunately, I think it's the latter now (it didn't start out that way, but after a few wins and facing those adoring fans for a few months - well, anyone would get a swelled head, let's be fair.)
All he's doing now is attacking Hillary Clinton out of sour grapes - and thereby hurting the Democrat's chances of retaking the White House this fall, which is VITAL to combatting climate change, keeping the Supreme Court from going to the far right for the next two generations, and preserving women's rights to control their own bodies. Bernie - hang it up!!
It's time for Sanders to wrap things up now and exit the stage - if this is really about the American people and not about his personal ego. Unfortunately, I think it's the latter now (it didn't start out that way, but after a few wins and facing those adoring fans for a few months - well, anyone would get a swelled head, let's be fair.)
All he's doing now is attacking Hillary Clinton out of sour grapes - and thereby hurting the Democrat's chances of retaking the White House this fall, which is VITAL to combatting climate change, keeping the Supreme Court from going to the far right for the next two generations, and preserving women's rights to control their own bodies. Bernie - hang it up!!
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"Fiery" speeches offering "angel food cake for everyone" are not a sufficient basis for effective governance. These appeals are to low information voters who don't bother with research or thinking things through. Interestingly, here at the recent county convention, it was the Sander's delegates who were less likely to show up for the next step after the caucus meetings. It takes actual work to make democracy work.
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The Democrats just decided to vote against their best hope to beat Trump. Welcome, Preisdent Trump.
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I'm a Wyoming Republican who WANTS Sanders to win. EVERY other candidate is a tool for the bankrupted, collapsing global military empire that IS the backbone of the modern American "Security State." The sick media is part of the message of that empire. But Sanders doesn't "get it." He wants to bable "revolution"- without condemning the very thing that Eisenhower warned about in 1961: a fascist military-industrial- CONGRESSIONAL complex. Here in Wyoming, the USAF is the state's largest employer: "contributing" $350 mil to the Cheyenne economy at a national cost of $1.2-1.5 billion. Wake up Sanders! I don't need to be reduced to the "equality" of a black man in Chicago to be a good American. My rich family's given $4 million to Laramie non-profits for a decade, largely because of the collapsing empire's total disregard! Wake up old man. I sent a letter to Tad, your strategist in Vermont. Stop parroting the hopeless, broke, left wing of your party. The blacks don't buy it. I never did.
I do know that only one of the two front runners has any measure of enthusiasm from the base, and its not candidate robotron 5000, programmed to spit out what it calculates will win votes without meaning any of it, HRC. It looks like more than half the base hates her so much they would rather vote Trump (he certainly took less Wall Street money so far) she is beholden to the almighty donor, Trump is not.
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" It looks like more than half the base hates her so much..." Sorry, but no. Future President Clinton has won almost sixty percent of the Democratic primary vote so that equals more than half Jordan. Unfortunately for Sanders supporters it's more than half of the base that isn't buying what your uncle grumpy is selling.
4
Cannot see myself voting for the wife of a former President; does not seem "American."
So distressing to see people who you would not buy used cars from running for President.
Canada looks better every day.
So distressing to see people who you would not buy used cars from running for President.
Canada looks better every day.
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It has been interesting watching and listening to Sanders' supporters, many whom have never participated in an election process before. I voted for the 1st time when I was 18 in 1972. I have learned so much over the years. I hope young Sanders' supporters remain engaged. They have so much to lose if they don't.
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Should HRC (can't even bear to write out her name) win the nom and Trump becomes the republican nom I will vote for her with a very heavy heart and holding my nose. She will betray her base and cozy up to Wall Street and Big Pharma, and the Insurance companies and all of her big donors like Obama did and hope for the best. She will not work for the working class. How could she when she has so many "favors" to pay back? She is an avowed liar and opportunist who has done little other than make her bank account larger.
Pity the rest of us worker bees. I feel sorry for this country.
Pity the rest of us worker bees. I feel sorry for this country.
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Just think where we might be right now, if the Times had given Sanders even half the coverage they have given Trump. Trump's initial surge in the polls consisted of reality TV fans who had never read a newspaper and were pleased that someone they had heard of was running.
Just be glad it wasn't Willie Robertson.
Just be glad it wasn't Willie Robertson.
7
Only in media coverage focused on horse racing would this be seen as a loss for Bernie Sanders and progressives. He has continued to close the gap on Hillary, and the only state that could be considered a 'blowout' is Florida. If time and delegate math are against him, then it is because of lock that the establishment has on driving the media.
If the reawakening of the slumbering left is to continue, then progressives need to help Bernie when he carries the torch back to the Senate. That means coming out to vote, and voting for progressive candidates for Congress: Not only to support Hillary Clinton as president, but to remind her that the progressive wing has found its voice, and is not going to go away.
If the reawakening of the slumbering left is to continue, then progressives need to help Bernie when he carries the torch back to the Senate. That means coming out to vote, and voting for progressive candidates for Congress: Not only to support Hillary Clinton as president, but to remind her that the progressive wing has found its voice, and is not going to go away.
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"... winning votes but not hearts..."
Listen. We don't have to have drinks with the president or invite the candidate or, post -election, the President, to our family dinners. But we do have to respect them and get out and vote for the candidate who has the experience.
I happen to really like Hillary -- and salute her for her experience, strength, and smarts. I wholeheartedly want her to win. BUT, she'd sill have my vote if I didn't like here -- merely on the strength of her skills.
Listen. We don't have to have drinks with the president or invite the candidate or, post -election, the President, to our family dinners. But we do have to respect them and get out and vote for the candidate who has the experience.
I happen to really like Hillary -- and salute her for her experience, strength, and smarts. I wholeheartedly want her to win. BUT, she'd sill have my vote if I didn't like here -- merely on the strength of her skills.
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It's pretty obvious that Hillary and Bernie need each other. With her strength in the red states and his youth movement, together they can pretty much sew this thing up. But why does it seem obvious that the Clintons won't see it that way?
3
The Democratic primary voters are speaking...and we are 'just saying No' to a self-professed Socialists who only caucuses with Democrats...and who could just as easily flip-flop and start caucusing across the aisle.
6
I can not believe that people are not screaming from the roof tops for HRC to release the transcripts. If Bernie had done the same thing i would feel the same way. Dont you think that its almost our duty to know who our highest elected official truly represents?
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There are two critical issues that the Democrats now face: 1) Bringing Sanders supporters to vote for Hillary once it is clear that Sanders can't win
2) Creating a new generation of Democrtatic candidates to run for Congress and governorships
2) Creating a new generation of Democrtatic candidates to run for Congress and governorships
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“In the long run men only hit what they aim at. Therefore, though they should fail immediately, they had better aim at something high.”
― Henry David Thoreau
― Henry David Thoreau
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Spot on! And unfortunately Hillary is a 'Think Small. Aim Low. Change Nothing' candidate representing the interests & investments of Corporate America. Hard to see how such a flawed candidate goes far in November.
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Didn't this country learn anything about the difference between the candidate who you'd like to have a beer with vs the one who is actually qualified for the job? We all feel the "Bern," (even some arch Republican relatives of mine!) but if you think that our disappointment over Bernie's likely loss should mean not voting this November for Hillary is a good idea, just think about a Trump or Cruz nominee to the Supreme Court. Think of the disfunction wrought on the GOP by years of Rovian 51% majority politics of division. Then make do the right thing and vote for Hillary, like her or not.
7
It was a great night for the Plutocracy. Breathe easy, banksters. Take a walk in the sunshine, warmongers. Rest on your laurels, Big Pharma.
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"I won't vote for Hillary, I can't."
Oh. So you're voting for Trump.
Oh. So you're voting for Trump.
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Corporate Liberals®, crowing loudly about their gold digger trophy candidate, now admonish real progressives for even considering the possibility of sticking to their principles and not voting for the establishment's—and Wall Street's—darling.
Is Hillary Clinton now only electable because she's less noxious than Donald Trump?
This is not a choice; this is philosophy's Trolley Problem.
Is Hillary Clinton now only electable because she's less noxious than Donald Trump?
This is not a choice; this is philosophy's Trolley Problem.
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Don't you all get it? Sticking to your "principles" will enable the election of a man who is the complete opposite of everything you hold dear, effectively cutting off your nose to spite your face. Who will you complain to then?
7
Stop name calling and save your country from Trump.
5
Thank you for making my point for me.
And so we have it...Trump and Clinton...two people who will most likely be what this country offers to lead this nation. It speaks volumes of the lack of character and values the people of this country have.
9
Well, I'm shifting my portfolio to include more stocks in the "defense" industries.
9
So many HRC comments are disrespectful to Bernie supporters. Thank you to the HRC comments that are not. If she does become the nominee, she will need independents, and Bernie's supporters to win. Insulting them, will not win them over.
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You're kidding, right? Here are a few choice quotes from Sanders supporters, which I assure you are far more vitriolic and vile than anything from the other side:
—"Corporate Liberals®, crowing loudly about their gold digger trophy candidate"
—"She is an avowed liar and opportunist who has done little other than make her bank account larger"
—"I believe she is a liar with no core principles"
—"It was a great night for the Plutocracy."
—"...candidate robotron 5000, programmed to spit out what it calculates will win votes without meaning any of it, HRC."
—"How did a nation with 320 million diverse people end up with this flotsam floating to the surface?"
—"Another reason to cause vomiting, is Hillary's speech."
—"Her lying and pandering are becoming very obvious."
—"Corporate Liberals®, crowing loudly about their gold digger trophy candidate"
—"She is an avowed liar and opportunist who has done little other than make her bank account larger"
—"I believe she is a liar with no core principles"
—"It was a great night for the Plutocracy."
—"...candidate robotron 5000, programmed to spit out what it calculates will win votes without meaning any of it, HRC."
—"How did a nation with 320 million diverse people end up with this flotsam floating to the surface?"
—"Another reason to cause vomiting, is Hillary's speech."
—"Her lying and pandering are becoming very obvious."
3
Sanders sounds too much like a one-issue candidate. That way he enables Clinton to sound statesmanlike on all the other.
4
I'm delighted Hillary won big last night. She is the best qualified candidate. It would also be good news if the media would focus on more on positive aspects of her campaign especially her proposed programs perhaps then the public will find her more likable.
12
its too bad that no one fact checks how Hillary fought for upstate jobs when she was Senator. Ask people from upstate NY what they think about that.
4
What agi in brooklyn said!!!!
Get over your emotional righteousness and vote for the person who is not one of the truly dangerous and terrifying Republicans. And that's all of them, including Paul Ryan who I suspect will end up the nominee.
Get over your emotional righteousness and vote for the person who is not one of the truly dangerous and terrifying Republicans. And that's all of them, including Paul Ryan who I suspect will end up the nominee.
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I for one admire Hillary Clinton and eagerly look forward to her presidency. She possesses the intelligence, strength, and depth of experience we need in a president.
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The math is impossible for Bernie Sanders? That's a media lie, when the democratic primary race is less than halfway over. Clinton has a strong lead, but NOT insurmountable.
Let's go through the math. There are 4051 total PLEDGED delegates out there to be won. 2026 is half of that - the magic number needed to win a majority of pledged delegates.
1868 delegates have already been pledged -
Hillary Clinton has won 1094 of them (58.5 %).
Bernie Sanders has won 774 of them (41.4 %).
There are 2183 delegates remaining to be pledged -
Hillary needs to win 932 of them to get to the magic number of 2026 (42.6 %).
Bernie needs to win 1252 of them to get to 2026 (57.3 %).
Essentially, Bernie needs to start beating Hillary at approximately the same pace that she's been beating him. And the race is less than halfway over. And the South, where Clinton's advantage is at its Nadir, is over.
If you were watching a basketball game were one team was winning 58 points to 42 midway through the second quarter, you wouldn't think of calling the game. A lot of people still have a say in this nominating contest, and a lot of things could still happen to derail Clinton's campaign.
Why is it "impossible" for Bernie Sanders to overtake Clinton? Because the media is portraying his candidacy as impossible. And so are you NYT. And shame on me for buying into the "math" lie. #FeeltheBern #NoSuperdelegates #LetTheVotersDecide #StopCallingRacesBeforeVotesAreCast
Let's go through the math. There are 4051 total PLEDGED delegates out there to be won. 2026 is half of that - the magic number needed to win a majority of pledged delegates.
1868 delegates have already been pledged -
Hillary Clinton has won 1094 of them (58.5 %).
Bernie Sanders has won 774 of them (41.4 %).
There are 2183 delegates remaining to be pledged -
Hillary needs to win 932 of them to get to the magic number of 2026 (42.6 %).
Bernie needs to win 1252 of them to get to 2026 (57.3 %).
Essentially, Bernie needs to start beating Hillary at approximately the same pace that she's been beating him. And the race is less than halfway over. And the South, where Clinton's advantage is at its Nadir, is over.
If you were watching a basketball game were one team was winning 58 points to 42 midway through the second quarter, you wouldn't think of calling the game. A lot of people still have a say in this nominating contest, and a lot of things could still happen to derail Clinton's campaign.
Why is it "impossible" for Bernie Sanders to overtake Clinton? Because the media is portraying his candidacy as impossible. And so are you NYT. And shame on me for buying into the "math" lie. #FeeltheBern #NoSuperdelegates #LetTheVotersDecide #StopCallingRacesBeforeVotesAreCast
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Ben:
How about a reality check? Sanders has only won 1 or 2 states by blowouts Vermont and New Hampshire two very white very liberal states what makes you think that he will win by huge margins when there is no evidence to support this theory? 2. Hillary can lose and still win more delegates because she has a huge lead and delegates are awarded proportionately in the Dem Party. He can't win he's too far behind. Just face reality.
How about a reality check? Sanders has only won 1 or 2 states by blowouts Vermont and New Hampshire two very white very liberal states what makes you think that he will win by huge margins when there is no evidence to support this theory? 2. Hillary can lose and still win more delegates because she has a huge lead and delegates are awarded proportionately in the Dem Party. He can't win he's too far behind. Just face reality.
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You might want to look up the definition of "nadir."
I am a huge Sen. Sanders supporter. Hats off to the Sen. for all his years of dedicated service looking out for the middle class and poor of this country. I believe he should continue to the convention just to keep the Sec. on her toes for a little while longer. My thoughts are with the V.P. choice. I don't see Sec. Clinton choosing the Sen., so who would it be? Sen. Warren was convinced not to run in the primaries, maybe? Two women on the ticket would be first, and would generate a great deal of media frenzy. Just a Kerouac moment.
3
She'll probably choose Julian Castro from Texas (Sec of Housing and Urban Development and previous mayor of San Antonio) making it the first female President, Hispanic Vice President ticket.
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"In economics and finance, risk aversion is the behavior of humans (especially consumers and investors), when exposed to uncertainty, to attempt to reduce that uncertainty. It is the reluctance of a person to accept a bargain with an uncertain payoff rather than another bargain with a more certain, but possibly lower, expected payoff."
Suffice to say, Clinton is riding on a wave of risk averse democrats. As in finance, risk averse decisions are sometimes ilogical. In this case, it certainly seems to be. Imagine 8 years with Clinton where the status quo remains or even detoriatites. You might be laying the foundations for the election of demagogue even worse than Trump. Radical problems need radical soloutions.
Suffice to say, Clinton is riding on a wave of risk averse democrats. As in finance, risk averse decisions are sometimes ilogical. In this case, it certainly seems to be. Imagine 8 years with Clinton where the status quo remains or even detoriatites. You might be laying the foundations for the election of demagogue even worse than Trump. Radical problems need radical soloutions.
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This is the country that elected George W Bush twice. That alone helps to explain why people are voting for Clinton.
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spot on
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Some here are saying Sanders is insisting on ideological purity. Wrong.
Taking a stand against the corruption of money and cronyism in our political establishment, with tentacles everywhere, is not ideological. It's just.
The GOP is having its meltdown over too many promise anything but really status quo candidates. Democrats are trying to hold together a party with elements who no longer want hawks that will put MICs concerns over theirs, who'll put bank and business interests above theirs.
Bernie should go after HRC's foreign policy now that the R neocons are lining up in her column. Instead he quieted down.
Seems both parties are invested in at least one of them staying intact. After all, the wars must continue, many upper echelon lifestyles depend on it, same goes for bankers' & their shenanigans.
At least the D party has someone telling truth to power.
One of Trump's biggest assets per exit polls: he isn't bought by anyone.
So the Democrats put up the most corporatist, superPAC $bags of them all. Does not seem the smartest strategy w/ nation in this mood.
Taking a stand against the corruption of money and cronyism in our political establishment, with tentacles everywhere, is not ideological. It's just.
The GOP is having its meltdown over too many promise anything but really status quo candidates. Democrats are trying to hold together a party with elements who no longer want hawks that will put MICs concerns over theirs, who'll put bank and business interests above theirs.
Bernie should go after HRC's foreign policy now that the R neocons are lining up in her column. Instead he quieted down.
Seems both parties are invested in at least one of them staying intact. After all, the wars must continue, many upper echelon lifestyles depend on it, same goes for bankers' & their shenanigans.
At least the D party has someone telling truth to power.
One of Trump's biggest assets per exit polls: he isn't bought by anyone.
So the Democrats put up the most corporatist, superPAC $bags of them all. Does not seem the smartest strategy w/ nation in this mood.
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It's time for Bernie to drop out and urge his supporters to vote Clinton so the focus to beat Trump can start as soon as possible. The longer Bernie hangs in there, the better it will be for Trump in the long run.
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Agree, Bill Wilkerson, but Old Bernie is not a Democrat, so why would he want to help the Democratic nominee?
I think Old Bernie would like to see Hillary suffer defeat.
I think Old Bernie would like to see Hillary suffer defeat.
Proving he is the adroit political sage he is renowned for,Bill Clinton predicted after last week's Michigan lost,with a certain 'twinkle of the eye,that 'Michigan won't matter next week(paraphrasing). How prescient a prediction.Combining this sage advisor with that of looming endorsement of President Obama,Hillary's chances would have to be judged 'good,at least.That said,bernie supporters will have to be shown they have a 'significant place in this campaign.The ultimate consequence of a possible trump presidency is Too Terrifying to chance.'We Will coalesce to confront the trump 'threat.This is Not '72...
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It is increasingly likely that I will either not vote or cast a write-in vote for Bernie. I believe that the Democratic party will regret anointing the wrong candidate.
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(Jacky, there is no "anointing" involved in choosing a candidate.)
Many of Old Bernie's supporters will join you in throwing their votes away and thereby electing Donald Trump.
YES!!!
Many of Old Bernie's supporters will join you in throwing their votes away and thereby electing Donald Trump.
YES!!!
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And you will ultimately regret causing the election of President Trump if you sit out.
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The Dems should regret anointing any candidate. It says everything that they believed Clinton could not win the nomination in a fair fight. She couldn't. As it now stands, if the election is, as it seems it will be, between Clinton and Trump, Trump will wipe her out. Truly sad.
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Given the rapidly increasing insanity out there, I've given up and now welcome our future plutocrat overlords.
My only regret is that the CDC has recently ruled in a fashion that will make my retirement plan more difficult to engage in, when the time comes.
My only regret is that the CDC has recently ruled in a fashion that will make my retirement plan more difficult to engage in, when the time comes.
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Again, the on-line Times is not featuring the same headlines as the copy delivered to my door. The print version actually has a very interesting article
on front page: "The Leaders Win Votes, Not Hearts." "There is no analogous election in the modern era where the two top candidates are as divisive and
weak," said Steve Schmidt.... Two ego-maniacs in the front-running, both with lots of corporate money and media backing. Hard to put any faith in the electoral process after all we have seen.
on front page: "The Leaders Win Votes, Not Hearts." "There is no analogous election in the modern era where the two top candidates are as divisive and
weak," said Steve Schmidt.... Two ego-maniacs in the front-running, both with lots of corporate money and media backing. Hard to put any faith in the electoral process after all we have seen.
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If Hillary Clinton learns to become more connected with current issues that resonate with younger voters, Independent leaning Democrats, and progressives; she can win in November but it will be an uphill battle of her own creation.
I am looking forward to voting for Bernie Sanders in my primary election because he concentrates on issues that no one else is openly talking about. Being that said, he has the money and enthusiasm that will carry him through June, as he enters friendlier states that will be more receptive to his message.
I am looking forward to voting for Bernie Sanders in my primary election because he concentrates on issues that no one else is openly talking about. Being that said, he has the money and enthusiasm that will carry him through June, as he enters friendlier states that will be more receptive to his message.
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Bernie never had, and never will have, any future in the Democratic Party as presently constituted. He is looking to change the Democratic Party from what it has become: the party of oligarchs (Soros) and their lackeys (Summers; Rubin; both Clintons) and endless war (Iraq; Libya etc), and restore it to its early to mid 20th century roots (FDR and Truman), with policies designed to benefit the 99% not the 1%. Bernie absolutely, sincerely believes that Hillary is beholden to Wall Street and favors trade agreements like TPP and NAFTA that have demonstrably destroyed the middle class. Neither he nor his followers are going to about face and endorse Hillary; he can't be bought, bribed or shamed, nor do his followers, with reason, see much difference between Trump and Hillary (I do agree, were Cruz the nominee, that Bernie would get behind Hillary).
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I’m a Bernie supporter & very heartbroken that he lost tonight. For the first time in my life, I’m considering not voting at all. It doesn’t seem to matter or create the change I’d like to see in the world. The corrupting influence of big money in politics overrides average everyday Americans like me. Hillary Clinton enjoys being a part of that system and is not a reformer. I can’t in good conscience vote her or any other candidate that benefits, supports or works to sustain this broken system. That would be voting against myself and my own self-interests.
With the exception of Bernie, I’ve never felt great about any of the presidential candidates ever. It’s always been about holding my nose and voting for the lessor of 2 evils. I choosing to not do that anymore. I’m in my fifties and have voted in every election since I was 18, so that’s plenty of elections!
I hate to say it, but maybe our country needs to hit rock bottom for people to be willing to create change, choose for greater possibilities and get serious about creating a sustainable future for all of us. If we keep choosing what we’ve always chosen, we will keep getting the same results over and over again. That’s what I call insanity.
With the exception of Bernie, I’ve never felt great about any of the presidential candidates ever. It’s always been about holding my nose and voting for the lessor of 2 evils. I choosing to not do that anymore. I’m in my fifties and have voted in every election since I was 18, so that’s plenty of elections!
I hate to say it, but maybe our country needs to hit rock bottom for people to be willing to create change, choose for greater possibilities and get serious about creating a sustainable future for all of us. If we keep choosing what we’ve always chosen, we will keep getting the same results over and over again. That’s what I call insanity.
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Your view is incredibly selfish. Perhaps you're willing to have us hit rock bottom, but I'm not, and I suspect there are millions of others out there who feel the same way.
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It's absolutely ridiculous to say you won't vote because your candidate isn't winning, or won't win. My candidate didn't win in 2008 and I voted for the person who did get the Democratic nomination.
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I’m definitely voting in my state’s primary in June no matter what. I’m undecided about the General Election. I could change my mind. A lot can happen between now and November and I’m keeping an open mind.
I’ve been voting for the lessor of 2 evils since I was 18. I’m not voting to merely pick a president anymore. I'm voting for the individual willing to create a sustainable future for all of us. After a few decades of settling for the status quo, I’ve realized it doesn’t create the kind of world I’d like to live in. It certainly hasn’t changed this corrupt political system we tolerate. In fact, it’s gotten worse! I no longer expect establishment leaders to address our nation’s problems when they created them in the first place. If change is going to occur it won’t be through the voting booth. It will be from people uniting together to demand change an accountability from our politicians. And I will continue to do that no matter who is elected.
I’ve been voting for the lessor of 2 evils since I was 18. I’m not voting to merely pick a president anymore. I'm voting for the individual willing to create a sustainable future for all of us. After a few decades of settling for the status quo, I’ve realized it doesn’t create the kind of world I’d like to live in. It certainly hasn’t changed this corrupt political system we tolerate. In fact, it’s gotten worse! I no longer expect establishment leaders to address our nation’s problems when they created them in the first place. If change is going to occur it won’t be through the voting booth. It will be from people uniting together to demand change an accountability from our politicians. And I will continue to do that no matter who is elected.
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Understandable that Clinton took Florida and North Carolina, but in the North why did Bernie have a significant loss in Ohio? A major factors was Kasich being from Ohio and his reasonable performance in attracting jobs as governor and to a lesser degree standing out as a noni-ideologue, common sense Republican. Comparatively, in Illinois (loss between 30-35,000) and Missouri (a virtual dead heat) and without Kasich's 'home turf' advantage, the race between Hillary and Bernie were much closer. Ohio can not be used among the pundits, in this election cycle, as a 'bell weather' for electability. Bernie Sanders, as the primaries move westward, will continue to be a formidable adversary for Hillary Clinton.
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Feel the CRASH and BERN !!!! It's all over but the crying (and obligatory salute to Hillary) Sandernistas!!!
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For anyone who thinks Hillary Clinton is a Republican in disguise, or a corrupt pay-for-play dealer, I have a couple of questions:
Why do GOP PACs spend multi-millions on negative ads and smear campaigns against Clinton if she's the same as they are? Could it be because...she ISN'T one of them?
Why do GOP PACs spend multi-millions on negative ads and smear campaigns against Clinton if she's the same as they are? Could it be because...she ISN'T one of them?
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Because she's such an easy target?
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Given the tremendous support that Bernie Sanders has generated, I have to ask this question.
Since we all know that establishment politics is basically rigged by party officials, would Elizabeth Warren have run if Hillary Clinton did not?
That's who we really wanted. Was she told to wait in line?
Since we all know that establishment politics is basically rigged by party officials, would Elizabeth Warren have run if Hillary Clinton did not?
That's who we really wanted. Was she told to wait in line?
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BRING ON THE ANTIEMETICS
Nausea is a feeling of unease and sickness that is hard to put into words, but at some point or another most of us have been all too familiar with the feeling. Often nausea is the pre-curser to vomiting. It's a miserable thing to experience. Many reasons, can cause a sudden attack of nausea. One reasons that precipitates an intense attack, is listening to Kasich's, victory speech. The smooth talking, feel your pain uniter, is for tax reductions for the wealthy, privatizing schools, anti-gay legislation, anti-worker laws, anti-environment policies, and he's anti-pro-choice.
Another reason to cause vomiting, is Hillary's speech. Seeing her believers being conned, with a stump speech, about what she is going to do to make their lives better. Oh, and by the way, didn't she say that she is embracing Obama's legacy?
"There is a standard critique of the U.S. political system that seemingly explains why right-wing ideas drive the national agenda even when Democrats control the White House: the Democratic Party does not stand for anything and the Republicans are the party of ideologues."
Nausea is a feeling of unease and sickness that is hard to put into words, but at some point or another most of us have been all too familiar with the feeling. Often nausea is the pre-curser to vomiting. It's a miserable thing to experience. Many reasons, can cause a sudden attack of nausea. One reasons that precipitates an intense attack, is listening to Kasich's, victory speech. The smooth talking, feel your pain uniter, is for tax reductions for the wealthy, privatizing schools, anti-gay legislation, anti-worker laws, anti-environment policies, and he's anti-pro-choice.
Another reason to cause vomiting, is Hillary's speech. Seeing her believers being conned, with a stump speech, about what she is going to do to make their lives better. Oh, and by the way, didn't she say that she is embracing Obama's legacy?
"There is a standard critique of the U.S. political system that seemingly explains why right-wing ideas drive the national agenda even when Democrats control the White House: the Democratic Party does not stand for anything and the Republicans are the party of ideologues."
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Thank God she won. So many people have refused to vote for a woman for high office. Hopefully Hillary will win in November and our country will be spared the disaster of Trump and Cruz.
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I say, "Big deal" She won one state by 1% and another by 2% and with proportional delegates, Her claiming a landslide is just so much more Clinton-style dishonesty. And congratulations to Hillary for winning the red states of Florida and North Carolina. Basically most of her victories are in the old confederacy, Does that mean she'll carry those states? Don't be silly.
The whole point of the Super Tuesdays was to allow the southern states to be relevant. I think the calendar favors Bernie from now on.
And pull-eze stop including the super delegates with the earned delegates.
They want to win even more that I do. I predict that, if she looks weak, she's toast and a candidate who could appeal to both sides of the party will emerge. My guesses are Joe Biden, Jerry Brown or Sherrod Brown.
I also think Bernie could do himself a lot of good by naming his vice president before the convention (like Saint Ronnie in 1976). I nominate Kristen Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar, or Patty Murray. Tammy Baldwin checks of a lot of boxes; but I think she lacks stature.
The whole point of the Super Tuesdays was to allow the southern states to be relevant. I think the calendar favors Bernie from now on.
And pull-eze stop including the super delegates with the earned delegates.
They want to win even more that I do. I predict that, if she looks weak, she's toast and a candidate who could appeal to both sides of the party will emerge. My guesses are Joe Biden, Jerry Brown or Sherrod Brown.
I also think Bernie could do himself a lot of good by naming his vice president before the convention (like Saint Ronnie in 1976). I nominate Kristen Gillibrand, Amy Klobuchar, or Patty Murray. Tammy Baldwin checks of a lot of boxes; but I think she lacks stature.
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Delusional. Ohio and Florida are swing states, which Sanders didn't think Hillary could get. And Sanders barely eeked out a win in Michigan and he claimed victory. Even before Tuesday, he did not have a viable path for the nomination. His continued presence at this point is self-serving.
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Let's not be hypocritical, Realist: weren't the Bernie Brigades crowing about the 3% win in Michigan last week as a great victory?
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None of those that you mentioned would touch a Bernie offer to be Veep with a ten foot barge poll.
Too much Bernie euphoria, calm it! Bernie is going nowhere, correction, he's gone terminally downhill.
Immense credit to him, nevertheless. Hillary will never give the $200,000+ orations to Wall Street. I hope when she embraces Kissinger, she is cognizant his role in the Cambodian genocide (even Ted Kennedy in the early 1970s pointed the finger at K.), his role in the immense crime that gave us Pinochet, the disappeared in Argentina...Thanks, Bernie.
But, you are sexist, unfair, attributing the ills of the economy to free trade deals she had absolutely nothing to do with (attack her husband please!).
You are very sexist attributing 60,000 shut factories to Hillary - if you mean Bill or Bush43, say it.
And as she said in debates with you, the only time she voted on a FTA, she voted AGAINST it.
Immense credit to him, nevertheless. Hillary will never give the $200,000+ orations to Wall Street. I hope when she embraces Kissinger, she is cognizant his role in the Cambodian genocide (even Ted Kennedy in the early 1970s pointed the finger at K.), his role in the immense crime that gave us Pinochet, the disappeared in Argentina...Thanks, Bernie.
But, you are sexist, unfair, attributing the ills of the economy to free trade deals she had absolutely nothing to do with (attack her husband please!).
You are very sexist attributing 60,000 shut factories to Hillary - if you mean Bill or Bush43, say it.
And as she said in debates with you, the only time she voted on a FTA, she voted AGAINST it.
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I watched the video of Hillary Clinton's supporters brandishing their signs "Pulling For Us" I'm sure the "hundreds of coal miners she plans to put out of work" won't be sharing that message. This is a defining moment for her campaign and is far more damaging than Mitt Romney's 47% remark. Please spare us the fantasy that she really cares about the working class...like she does about those in the power elite in the Beltway and contributors to the Clinton Foundation. Her lying and pandering are becoming veryobvious and the promise of "green jobs" for coal miners won't cut it.
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>>>>
The only important question left now is: will the overly optimistic Bernie supporters come out and vote for Hillary in the general.
I'm certain about 70% of them will but about 30% will not.
As Makari said, the famous psychologist, "Abraham then argued for oral sources of character. Those who have been overly gratified in this stage expected to be fed and given to at all times. Optimists, they expected the world to satisfy their yearnings, but when exposed to frustration, they become demanding, aggressive, and devouring."
The only important question left now is: will the overly optimistic Bernie supporters come out and vote for Hillary in the general.
I'm certain about 70% of them will but about 30% will not.
As Makari said, the famous psychologist, "Abraham then argued for oral sources of character. Those who have been overly gratified in this stage expected to be fed and given to at all times. Optimists, they expected the world to satisfy their yearnings, but when exposed to frustration, they become demanding, aggressive, and devouring."
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Although Bernie divided his new party into sell-outs to corporate power and....him, I too admire his fortitude, consistency and focus on the powerless, but I feel his following exaggerates his honesty. Those manufacturing jobs were ultimately doomed, trade deals or not, and they aren't coming back unless Bernie smashes the robots that are taking over unskilled industrial labor all over the developed world.
Dividing the Democratic party in his this way (real Dems, and Neo-Dems) may cause real harm to H. Clinton's chances of having a congress she can work with should she manage to win the presidency.
I only hope he will be able to use some of his charisma to coax his followers to the polls to win back the congress for Democrats- not just this year, but in the pivotal mid-terms.
The left wing didn't start complaining about Obama until Democrats were no-shows in the 2010 election. Somehow he gets the blame for Republican obstructionism. I blame his supporters that showed up in 2008 but couldn't be bothered two years later.
Dividing the Democratic party in his this way (real Dems, and Neo-Dems) may cause real harm to H. Clinton's chances of having a congress she can work with should she manage to win the presidency.
I only hope he will be able to use some of his charisma to coax his followers to the polls to win back the congress for Democrats- not just this year, but in the pivotal mid-terms.
The left wing didn't start complaining about Obama until Democrats were no-shows in the 2010 election. Somehow he gets the blame for Republican obstructionism. I blame his supporters that showed up in 2008 but couldn't be bothered two years later.
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My thoughts exactly...Bernie wants to take us back to the times of American manufacturing and strong unions (did we ever really have such times?)...this is highly unrealistic...the world has changed and this isolationist simplicity cannot possibly be the way of the future. Trade prevents wars - this was the idea being forming the European Union. Its fosters innovation and has the potential to lift the livelihood of many - if the ones profiting from it are taxed appropriately.
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I'd like to believe that Bernie is going to stay in the race to further advance his views and to have a voice at the convention. My cynical side tends to think he will stay in to remain the fallback candidate should the Republicans' witch hunt for Hillary ultimately prevail. Truth be told, either rationale is legit. He has thus far made Hillary a better candidate. Going forward, I fear he will erode her prospects.
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Hillary is playing a shell-and-pea game of duplicitous dishonesty in her public pronouncements on all issues to gain the votes of Americans.
Hillary would NOT be a winning Presidential candidate or President because she has the capacity more to repel people (read voters) than to lead unity on important issues. She would be divisive as President in being unable to pull consensus together (read Congress), to generate new ideas (read policy building) and to build a just America (read Blacks). Hillary was a failure as Secretary of State because she never produced solutions to significant issues nor did she undo knots of problems.
An important passage in Charles Blow’s recent assessment of Hilary is that her “proclivity toward expedient alteration is precisely what fuels some people’s sense of her in particular as disingenuous and even dishonest.”
In a more recent article Charles Blow also stated that Hilary “is a hawkish political shape shifter, too cozy with big money … and who most Americans don’t trust.”
Bernie holds the moral compass and resonates with Americans on the issues. His public policy proposals would support the disadvantaged, the poor, the middle class and correct the injustices and wrongs in America that have hurt too many Americans for too long. The Black community identifies with Bernie’s objectives and would be better served by Bernie as President than Hilary who is an opportunistic chameleon “shape shifter” and who is “disingenuous and even dishonest.”
Hillary would NOT be a winning Presidential candidate or President because she has the capacity more to repel people (read voters) than to lead unity on important issues. She would be divisive as President in being unable to pull consensus together (read Congress), to generate new ideas (read policy building) and to build a just America (read Blacks). Hillary was a failure as Secretary of State because she never produced solutions to significant issues nor did she undo knots of problems.
An important passage in Charles Blow’s recent assessment of Hilary is that her “proclivity toward expedient alteration is precisely what fuels some people’s sense of her in particular as disingenuous and even dishonest.”
In a more recent article Charles Blow also stated that Hilary “is a hawkish political shape shifter, too cozy with big money … and who most Americans don’t trust.”
Bernie holds the moral compass and resonates with Americans on the issues. His public policy proposals would support the disadvantaged, the poor, the middle class and correct the injustices and wrongs in America that have hurt too many Americans for too long. The Black community identifies with Bernie’s objectives and would be better served by Bernie as President than Hilary who is an opportunistic chameleon “shape shifter” and who is “disingenuous and even dishonest.”
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Bernie has been a terrific force in this race. He's focused laser-like on the key issue of a rigged system of politics and economics and has caused a true revolution in the Democratic Party. But it is now clear he cannot win. To continue on, raising money from people who probably can't afford it so he can go on to future fundraising increasingly resembles a ponzi scheme erected on the ego of a guy in his mid-Seventies who is front and center on the national stage for the first time in his life. Go graciously and thank you, Bernie. Make a difference going forward but move on.
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By the way, despite all its vices, Wall Street is what makes this country great, people shouldn't forget.
It should be regulated, not condemned nor done away with.
Bernie should know. And why he opposes gun controls?
It should be regulated, not condemned nor done away with.
Bernie should know. And why he opposes gun controls?
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I will NOT vote for Clinton,she is no better than Trump.I hope one of her
many crimes takes her down soon.
many crimes takes her down soon.
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Rahm delivered Chicago! Despite being wildly unpopular among it's African American citizens. I'm sure everything was above board in Chi-town. Nothing electorally untoward ever happened there!
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What a Tragedy for this country if this lying duplicitous Clinton makes it to the WH !!
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spot on
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It is okay for Republicans to cross over and consider Hillary in the Fall. She is the most experienced and prepared candidate for the Presidency. Don't feel like you owe your vote to the GOP because that party has changed, and you know it doesn't represent your views well anymore. Hillary is ready to be President, join her.
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And yet for all her experience, she can't seem to recall historically events accurately--even ones in which she participated...I suppose that would be inconvenient for her.
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There has been plenty of research and articles from both the right and the left about what a HUGE liability Clinton would be were she elected, and as far a Republican interests - given her habit of constantly changing her position, I don't know that she is a good bet regardless of your political affiliation. You also might want to first get informed on her "experience" and "preparation" because her experience is all about backroom deals, using public office for personal gain, extending favors to corrupt foreign leaders, and being bought and in debt to big-money interests that have contributed to everything from the financial crisis, to the rise of hatred toward Americans abroad, to the ridiculous power pharmaceuticals have in health delivery. But then, hey, if this appeals to you, maybe she is your candidate.
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Finally democrat caucus and primary voters have come to their senses. WE need the depth and breadth of experience, combined with a strong social conscience, that only Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton offers. SHE is the WOMAN FOR THE JOB!
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That's quite an assumption, and typical of how misinformed voters can be. The only way voters will ever come to their sense is if they take the time to be informed, and that starts with understanding that the media is no longer a free press, but is controlled by big money interests that have stakes in elections. No one has "come to their senses" here, they've just bought the biased coverage the media is feeding to them, as you obviously have. Responsible voters are voters who get beyond the personal, and focus on being informed, asking questions like who owns a parituclar newspaper, is the writer or newscaster one of the many bought by a political candidate, is this a balanced, well-researched piece of journalism, or is it reading more like a covert campaign piece.
As to "depth and breadth of experience" - you might want to do a little research of your own ... you'd be surprised what all is included in Clinton's "experience."
And I'll forego the "woman" thing - you clearly have no understanding of what feminism is really about.
As to "depth and breadth of experience" - you might want to do a little research of your own ... you'd be surprised what all is included in Clinton's "experience."
And I'll forego the "woman" thing - you clearly have no understanding of what feminism is really about.
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"The Clintons" are a classic (and frightening ) lesson in just how far ( and how ruthless ) the chattering classes will go to defend those they consider their own .
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"Mr. Sanders has even talked about prevailing in New York, Mrs. Clinton’s home state, given the high numbers of progressive voters and working-class Democrats who share his disgust with Wall Street."
c'mon NYT, is NY really clinton's home state?
the world knows that she carpetbagged our state and especially my city. and no one, except the ClintonShilPaperOfRecord, believes that she is a New Yorker.
c'mon NYT, is NY really clinton's home state?
the world knows that she carpetbagged our state and especially my city. and no one, except the ClintonShilPaperOfRecord, believes that she is a New Yorker.
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I will be voting for a Democrat in November. If Hillary Clinton backslides at all into her accustomed Republican-lite, Wall St-serving, anti-worker trade policies and positions, that won't look like a Democrat to me, and I will be unable to support her. As such, I'm sticking with Bernie Sanders all the way to the convention (and beyond.)
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and STILL there is a headline this morning at 5:30am about Clinton not winning "hearts" as though she is vying to be Princess Diana. Sigh.
Sorry to be a spoil sort, but the results of last night were not a "setback" for Sanders, they were a death blow to the fantasy of catching up with votes which equal pledged delegates, If his supporters can afford to keep supporting him with wasted cash that is their choice, but I think it would be irresponsible to take more money from people he says are not rich and/or are looking to him to immediately up their social security payment or give out free tuition etc. He needs to come clean if he is that nice upstanding guy so many claim.
Losing is tough when passion is involved. I have been there and it is not fun. I hope Sanders supporters take a day to recover and mourn and then wake up tomorrow ready to fight the good fight against the forces of Trump and his 1.5 billion worth of free media.
Sorry to be a spoil sort, but the results of last night were not a "setback" for Sanders, they were a death blow to the fantasy of catching up with votes which equal pledged delegates, If his supporters can afford to keep supporting him with wasted cash that is their choice, but I think it would be irresponsible to take more money from people he says are not rich and/or are looking to him to immediately up their social security payment or give out free tuition etc. He needs to come clean if he is that nice upstanding guy so many claim.
Losing is tough when passion is involved. I have been there and it is not fun. I hope Sanders supporters take a day to recover and mourn and then wake up tomorrow ready to fight the good fight against the forces of Trump and his 1.5 billion worth of free media.
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Henry David Thoreau wrote:
"If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them."
Bernie Sanders was an effective builder of castles in the air, but he never gave us enough information about how those foundations could exist without a 40% increase in the size of government.
"If you have built castles in the air, your work need not be lost; that is where they should be. Now put the foundations under them."
Bernie Sanders was an effective builder of castles in the air, but he never gave us enough information about how those foundations could exist without a 40% increase in the size of government.
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Actually, his plans are outlined on his website, and the foundations are derived from making Wall Street and corporations pay their fair share.
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Mrs. Clinton represents not only the possibility of holding the Presidency in Democratic hands but also providing coattails to Democratic candidates for the House and the Senate in Congress, especially if the Republican candidate is Trump. I cannot believe that a majority of Americans can be swayed by a man who actually states that we need the rich to help make America great. I trust that Clinton will emphasize the importance of the issues that persuaded her voters to deliver her these victories. And that will help deliver a Congress that she can work with.
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It now seems more likely that Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump will win the nominations of their respective parties, and both place great emphasis on bringing back lost manufacturing jobs to the US. This is easy to say, but, unless there is a very clear understanding about what these jobs will look like, almost impossible to accomplish in today's increasingly globalizing world.
Mass production of consumer goods can be accomplished much more cheaply in Asia, and, if Africa can get better organized, African labor will make Asian labor look very expensive. Thus, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump have to realize that, if we want good quality, high paying, long lasting manufacturing jobs, they are going to have to look quite different than the jobs lost to lower labor cost areas of the world. This means that the US labor force has to be much better educated and innovative. This means that the US must focus on high quality, high technology products, such as robotics, nanotechnology, biotechnology, and new, cutting edge things we have not even thought of yet. Until we are ready and able to do this on a broad scale, the glory days of mass production in the US will continue to elude us.
We also need to become knowledge workers. There is a bright future in being able to utilize and employ knowledge of all sorts, but this too requires high levels of intelligence and education.
The reality is we must create a new environment to accomplish these stated manufacturing objectives.
Mass production of consumer goods can be accomplished much more cheaply in Asia, and, if Africa can get better organized, African labor will make Asian labor look very expensive. Thus, Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Trump have to realize that, if we want good quality, high paying, long lasting manufacturing jobs, they are going to have to look quite different than the jobs lost to lower labor cost areas of the world. This means that the US labor force has to be much better educated and innovative. This means that the US must focus on high quality, high technology products, such as robotics, nanotechnology, biotechnology, and new, cutting edge things we have not even thought of yet. Until we are ready and able to do this on a broad scale, the glory days of mass production in the US will continue to elude us.
We also need to become knowledge workers. There is a bright future in being able to utilize and employ knowledge of all sorts, but this too requires high levels of intelligence and education.
The reality is we must create a new environment to accomplish these stated manufacturing objectives.
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Clinton cannot win against Trump. The Democratic party is digging its own grave, like they did when they nominated Kerry in 2004.
What makes me sick is the smug triumphalism of the Hillary Harpies. The joy you get from the crushing of other people's dreams and hopes is revolting.
I feel sorry that you have been offended on a personal level by the enthusiasm of Sanders' supporters. I'm sure it must be painful to witness that there are some who have not resigned themselves to a cynicism and complicity that wears the cloak of realism and pragmatism.
Evidently, no sane Sanders supporter will fail to vote for Clinton, as I'm sure Sanders would urge them to, if Clinton does end up the nominee.
But don't you dare blame the Sanders supporters for the likely Republican victory! That is on you, alone.
What makes me sick is the smug triumphalism of the Hillary Harpies. The joy you get from the crushing of other people's dreams and hopes is revolting.
I feel sorry that you have been offended on a personal level by the enthusiasm of Sanders' supporters. I'm sure it must be painful to witness that there are some who have not resigned themselves to a cynicism and complicity that wears the cloak of realism and pragmatism.
Evidently, no sane Sanders supporter will fail to vote for Clinton, as I'm sure Sanders would urge them to, if Clinton does end up the nominee.
But don't you dare blame the Sanders supporters for the likely Republican victory! That is on you, alone.
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Hear, hear.
One thing I hope Clinton recognizes is how close the margins have been in several of her wins, such as in MA and IL. As of right now, MO is a virtual tie. If she becomes the Democratic candidate, she should recognize that it is by a thin margin. By no means is she achieving the blessing of the majority of Democratic voters.
Further, she had the head start of name recognition and being the favored candidate by the Democratic establishment. As well, Sanders, coming from tiny Vermont, wasn't taken seriously by the press. The NYT, WAPO and others continue to paint him as a fringe radical candidate. He has had an uphill battle and has fought an amazing fight.
Further, she had the head start of name recognition and being the favored candidate by the Democratic establishment. As well, Sanders, coming from tiny Vermont, wasn't taken seriously by the press. The NYT, WAPO and others continue to paint him as a fringe radical candidate. He has had an uphill battle and has fought an amazing fight.
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If she wasn't "achieving the blessing of the majority" why is she ahead?
Sanders became a Democrat 10 months ago.
Sanders became a Democrat 10 months ago.
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Oh come on. She has outpolled Bernie on the overall popular vote for quite a while now. To me, that's the majority of Republican voters. And anyone who doesn't know all about Bernie now hasn't been paying attention. He has certainly had an uphill battle and he has some very important positions, but the same can be said of Hillary.
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God Help Hillary Clinton if she proves to be " Hot Air" after all the evolving done and matching the Sanders Tone and Direction that she has mimicked rather than led.
The ONLY way she can be an Effective and Good President is to follow through on what she would have us believe she means and says.
If she "Reverts" once getting into Office...it will go down as the Betrayal that Broke the Presidency...mark my words...
The ONLY way she can be an Effective and Good President is to follow through on what she would have us believe she means and says.
If she "Reverts" once getting into Office...it will go down as the Betrayal that Broke the Presidency...mark my words...
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america is doomed
everyone but Americans knows it
everyone but Americans knows it
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Bernie really was their best and last Hope.
Now they look like losing him, leaving only Dopes.
And of course lots and lots of Rope
Not to Hang any or what last Hopes,
But for those not following the Trump Trope,
Or Others who help extend the Wall Street Grope.
Glad I'm Not American, No sirree by golly and a NOPE!
Now they look like losing him, leaving only Dopes.
And of course lots and lots of Rope
Not to Hang any or what last Hopes,
But for those not following the Trump Trope,
Or Others who help extend the Wall Street Grope.
Glad I'm Not American, No sirree by golly and a NOPE!
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Americans as well as the world were envisioning the climb of both Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump towards the nomination of their respective parties.
What we envisioned we have seen with our naked eyes and now we would see a final clash on November 08 , 2016 between these two.
Studying the surveys that (Real Clear Politics- Huffington Post-National Polls- Nationwide Opinion Polls) have taken Hillary Clinton holds dominance over Donald Trump and this is because of her experience as the Secretary of State, her contribution as the Senator, popularity among women, concern over disaster due to Gun use, thoughtful attitude towards economic conditions of a common american and a deep respectable recognition with the Global political community.
What we envisioned we have seen with our naked eyes and now we would see a final clash on November 08 , 2016 between these two.
Studying the surveys that (Real Clear Politics- Huffington Post-National Polls- Nationwide Opinion Polls) have taken Hillary Clinton holds dominance over Donald Trump and this is because of her experience as the Secretary of State, her contribution as the Senator, popularity among women, concern over disaster due to Gun use, thoughtful attitude towards economic conditions of a common american and a deep respectable recognition with the Global political community.
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The Democratic machine planned this 8 years ago when they demanded Ms. Clinton be given a high profile chair to warm as Secretary of State to keep her viable for this election. America lost then by getting a Secretary of State who left nothing but scandal and bad advice in her wake.
America will lose again if she is the Democratic party nominee, because she may be the least likable public figure the party has available to put forward. Her nomination is going to give many people a reason not to vote.
America will lose again if she is the Democratic party nominee, because she may be the least likable public figure the party has available to put forward. Her nomination is going to give many people a reason not to vote.
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Trump's likely nomination should give all Democrats a reason to vote.
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You are defining President Obama as the "Democratic machine." It was his choice and his choice alone to name Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State.
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be a part of history, vote for the first woman with a chance at being President
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As one who has supported Sanders, and voted for him yesterday, I applaud his effort. In my view, he has succeeded in pushing the dialog to the left, and Clinton, at least in rhetoric, along with it. Now he should withdraw and support her as the nominee. Sanders galvanized the youth of this country, and hopefully they will now continue to watch closely. If Clinton does as I fully expect, and "pivots" back to the center-right from whence she comes, they will remember. If, however, she accurately assesses the mood of the nation's youth and governs more left-of-center, all the better. Regardless, Sanders started a movement that was long overdue in this country to begin to push back against the destructive and hateful politics of the right. And I believe that movement has only just begun.
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She will do as she always does and speak out of both sides of her mouth ...She Cannot Be Trusted !!!
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Let's you hope that you are right - I am more cynical. There was lots of excitement in 2008 when we swept the presidency, the house, and the senate...in 2010 we Democrats abandoned our president, binding his hands for the next 6 years. So much good could have happened...and remarkably many good things did actually happen despite the odds.
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And once again another and yet more refer to "The Position" , the one well argued by all who don't think Sanders could do anything or get anywhere even if he were to become President.
It is the argument that so many call REALITY but which is really in Truth, acceptance of a position and of a government that will act on its own agendas which have been , are known by and which remain to suit vested interests, the will of the wealthy Elite and the needs of a Greedy few at the expense of the deserving Majority and 90% of the People that make up these United States of America.
It is NOT a perceived failure of a President Sanders that many have and others will refuse to make happen, but an affirmation that the Government of the People by the People and Of the People is far from being that and those and thus how can ANYONE who represents the will of the People hope to succeed against those who have betrayed that contract and now ensure that what happens, what is Reality and what is accepted Fate is everything NOT of or for The People but just a select few people who decide the direction and steer the direction of State to their desires , wishes and objectives.
And every time yet another says "How could Sanders ever Hope to...?"
It is because He and those many who believe in his vision and his goals HAVE HOPE and wish to act on it rather than accept defeat before it is even met.
Whilst the so called "Pragmatists" are Defeatists and who long lost Hope.
What do THEY wait for?
It is the argument that so many call REALITY but which is really in Truth, acceptance of a position and of a government that will act on its own agendas which have been , are known by and which remain to suit vested interests, the will of the wealthy Elite and the needs of a Greedy few at the expense of the deserving Majority and 90% of the People that make up these United States of America.
It is NOT a perceived failure of a President Sanders that many have and others will refuse to make happen, but an affirmation that the Government of the People by the People and Of the People is far from being that and those and thus how can ANYONE who represents the will of the People hope to succeed against those who have betrayed that contract and now ensure that what happens, what is Reality and what is accepted Fate is everything NOT of or for The People but just a select few people who decide the direction and steer the direction of State to their desires , wishes and objectives.
And every time yet another says "How could Sanders ever Hope to...?"
It is because He and those many who believe in his vision and his goals HAVE HOPE and wish to act on it rather than accept defeat before it is even met.
Whilst the so called "Pragmatists" are Defeatists and who long lost Hope.
What do THEY wait for?
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Bernie Sanders is doing a lot better than he is getting credit for. If you eliminate the superdelegates he and Hillary Clinton don't appear to be that far apart. Whatever happens, he has single handedly brought the Democratic Party back to the left and forced Hillary to take a Progressive stance on the issues. She still has a lot of her husbands's baggage who, also almost single handedly, brought the Democratic Party to the far right.
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Remember, HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON IS NOT TRUSTWORTHY...and the U.S.A. DESERVES better...Bernie Sanders 2016 can possibly be a WRITE-IN?
The United States of America DESERVES A WRITE-IN...one primary ain't PROOF OF THE PUDDING...when Hillary Rodham Clinton is under FBI quest!
The United States of America DESERVES A WRITE-IN...one primary ain't PROOF OF THE PUDDING...when Hillary Rodham Clinton is under FBI quest!
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Clinton has plenty of her own baggage, whether it's her record as Secretary of State, her long-time alliance with Henry Kissinger, or her violation of the FOAI via her email server, not to mention all the advising she provided when Bill Clinton was in office. Anyone who hasn't bother to research the Clintons and their big-moneyed alliances might want to do so before casting their vote. Many voters assume it's only the right-reactionary press that is reporting on this stuff (e.g. the right-wing consipiracy), but voters need to wake up and look at the many investigative journalists on the left who have looked into the Clinton machine and it does not bode well ...
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I feel Bernie Sanders has been treated very unfairly by the press and by the establishment, and I will likely stay home on Election Day. Trump is the president this corrupt, ignorant country deserves.
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For what was lost see Bernie's speech at
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/bernie-sanders-speech-radical-ameri...
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/video/bernie-sanders-speech-radical-ameri...
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Republicans try to teach us that what is good for business is good for the country, even if the people don't get their share of the wealth they create, or the benefits of large insurance programs like Social Security, Medicare and Unemployment insurance.
The problem with Sanders candidacy is that he proposed throwing out the Democratic party in favor of some unexplained plan, which appears to be only in the minds of Sanders and his supporters, that has been rejected by most of the world years ago.
For 30 years, Sanders has proposed the same changes to our country that other far left candidates in the Democratic party have proposed, and all of these candidates either did not get the nomination or did not win the Presidency.
Yet, here he is again, preaching failed policies by previous failed far left leaders getting the same failed results.
Only, the young and not so young, are sending him money under the umbrella of the Democratic party. Seems like a scam to me.
The problem with Sanders candidacy is that he proposed throwing out the Democratic party in favor of some unexplained plan, which appears to be only in the minds of Sanders and his supporters, that has been rejected by most of the world years ago.
For 30 years, Sanders has proposed the same changes to our country that other far left candidates in the Democratic party have proposed, and all of these candidates either did not get the nomination or did not win the Presidency.
Yet, here he is again, preaching failed policies by previous failed far left leaders getting the same failed results.
Only, the young and not so young, are sending him money under the umbrella of the Democratic party. Seems like a scam to me.
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If Clinton does win the Democratic nomination and Trump wins the Republican side, we are faced with voting for either side of a corrupt coin. FBI investigation and Wall Street cronyism on one, and racist, authoritarian ego mania on the other. It is time for a third party candidate. If either of these two wins, they will be impeached in the first term. They both think and behave as if they are above the law.
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You insult millions of sincere Clinton supporters.
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They insult me
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My way or the highway Bernie voters sound so... Republican.
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This said by a Bernie supporter: don't underestimate Hillary. She is listening to our message and adjusting her policies accordingly. Being part of the "establishment", she was slow to realize the tide change but is taking it seriously, which is more than can be said for the republican candidates.
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The media is bringing Trump his votes by covering him carpet to carpet, coast to coast and giving momentum and publicity to his bluster and braggadocio. True, the man is a gold plated billionaire and demagogue, but in trying to keep him out, so the awful Ted Cruz can be crowned Republican prince, the Republican establishment is on the wrong track. As for me, I think if George W Bush could be president, anyone can fulfill the role. And why is Mrs.Clinton, so much more qualified than Sanders? She is promising the moon and the earth to everyone--LGBT rights, women's rights, equal pay for equal work, workers' rights--she's going give us all of it and more?? She is going to make America whole again. But the lady has been in politics forever. Why isn't America not whole already under Obama? And what about her foreign policy disaster? Isn't she the one behind the regime change in Libya? I don't know how she can get away with all the nonsense she spews with her people roaring behind her. If Trump is a useless populist, she certainly acted like one as she took her victory lap. It is not time for Bernie Sanders to quit. He should dig in until the convention. The young don't want Hillary. They don't like her. Many women don't like her either. It is hard to trust Mrs.Clinton. I think she lies. And Trump will skewer her if he's the nominee. He's given her money to buy her as have the Russians for their uranium mine in the US and she can be bought.
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I've always thought that the extreme left is just the other side of the same coin as the extreme right, and now I'm positive. The vindictiveness of the Sander's sore losers is no different than the Tea Party's. How shortsighted does one have to be to risk generations of decisions by a solidly Republican Supreme Court or another Republican controlled Congress? Haven't we lost enough from 6 years of a Republican Congress' temper tantrums and being paid for not doing their job? What about all the legislation being overturned or introduced because they're in Corporate America's pocket and controlled by the Kochs?
There is no perfect candidate out there and there is no perfect politician. There never has been and never will be. Up until recently socialist ideals have been considered taboo. Sorry to spoil the pipedream, but in the real world revolutions don't happen overnight. If you're a Sanders supporter and insist on pouting next November, no one can stop you; but do it knowing that you'll be licking your wounds for generations, because that is exactly how long it will take to undo the damage that will be coming if Donald Trump wins the election.
There is no perfect candidate out there and there is no perfect politician. There never has been and never will be. Up until recently socialist ideals have been considered taboo. Sorry to spoil the pipedream, but in the real world revolutions don't happen overnight. If you're a Sanders supporter and insist on pouting next November, no one can stop you; but do it knowing that you'll be licking your wounds for generations, because that is exactly how long it will take to undo the damage that will be coming if Donald Trump wins the election.
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In the general election the real American revolution will choose Donald Trump or Ted Cruz for president. One of them will take the oath of office in 309 days.
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Sanders socialistic rants are wearing thin. His once novel revolutionary rhetoric has devolved into a one-trick pony screed.
Democrats are so much smarter and sophisticated to be bamboozled by the same blunderbuss and naivete the Republicans have been by voting for Trump. The Dems are not that stupid. To vote for Sanders when they've got a superb capably qualified candidate in Hillary is almost comical if not disheartening for leading those young followers down the primrose path.
The next few months will be a slow drip, drip, drip Chinese water torture for Sanders and the Bern Feelers. The longer Sanders hangs on and encourages his flock with the notion that there's a smidgen of hope for his campaign does them an injustice. He is purposely deluding them.
Sanders knows the score. Why is this alleged man of the people honest as the day is long hero to the young not tell his Feelers the truth? Why not level with them, Senator Sanders?
DD
Manhattan
Democrats are so much smarter and sophisticated to be bamboozled by the same blunderbuss and naivete the Republicans have been by voting for Trump. The Dems are not that stupid. To vote for Sanders when they've got a superb capably qualified candidate in Hillary is almost comical if not disheartening for leading those young followers down the primrose path.
The next few months will be a slow drip, drip, drip Chinese water torture for Sanders and the Bern Feelers. The longer Sanders hangs on and encourages his flock with the notion that there's a smidgen of hope for his campaign does them an injustice. He is purposely deluding them.
Sanders knows the score. Why is this alleged man of the people honest as the day is long hero to the young not tell his Feelers the truth? Why not level with them, Senator Sanders?
DD
Manhattan
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Sometimes we get a chance to vote for a non-corrupt politician. Hillary has proven since her days as first lady of Arkansas that she is does not fit that mold. It is easy enough to find the facts, and have/had friends in northern Arkansas that suffered from Hill/Bill and their allowing - for payment - the degradation of the rivers and streams of what was a beautiful and mostly pristine karst geology. Like the tainted water in Flint, the rivers and streams - and water wells - were allowed to be tainted for dollars in the Clintons' pocket.
I am not a Democrat, nor am I a Republican. The corruption in the parties gives a vile smell to American politics. On the one hand we are presented with Trump, who knows well how to manipulate the media; on the other Clinton, who has the endless coffers of dubious money and a set up management of the Democratic party. And both sides screaming "You'd better vote for me because my opponent is sooooooo bad."
Sanders is not out of it, by any means. From what I can see he is the only candidate who is not in the race for his/her own self-interest. And I refuse to consider that this great country can only give me the choice of one corrupt politician over another corrupt politician.
I want to for FOR someone and something. Our country owes us that. If we do not get that option, God help us all.
I am not a Democrat, nor am I a Republican. The corruption in the parties gives a vile smell to American politics. On the one hand we are presented with Trump, who knows well how to manipulate the media; on the other Clinton, who has the endless coffers of dubious money and a set up management of the Democratic party. And both sides screaming "You'd better vote for me because my opponent is sooooooo bad."
Sanders is not out of it, by any means. From what I can see he is the only candidate who is not in the race for his/her own self-interest. And I refuse to consider that this great country can only give me the choice of one corrupt politician over another corrupt politician.
I want to for FOR someone and something. Our country owes us that. If we do not get that option, God help us all.
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The Times war against the Clintons continues apace. She won
big and this grudging account is par for the course.
MR. Sanders showed complete lack of grace. Is he still
talking belling us how great he is? Time for another
spate of "Hillary Is in Trouble" from Dowd and the Get Clinton
Squad at the Gray Lady.
Bernie has Joementum. He is going nowhere. He will make
it to the White House on a guided tour.
big and this grudging account is par for the course.
MR. Sanders showed complete lack of grace. Is he still
talking belling us how great he is? Time for another
spate of "Hillary Is in Trouble" from Dowd and the Get Clinton
Squad at the Gray Lady.
Bernie has Joementum. He is going nowhere. He will make
it to the White House on a guided tour.
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When Hillary is in jail, she cannot be Prwsident
Sander is not all of the race completely
Sander is not all of the race completely
Jail for what?
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" Mrs. Clinton’s aides seemed exasperated that her detailed policy positions to bring jobs back to the hard-hit Midwestern states were a harder sell than what they said were the unrealistic promises offered by her opponent. They huddled to retool her economic pitch so that it resonated better in Midwestern states in hopes of competing more strongly with Mr. Sanders."
Once again her campaign "retools" her message to pander for votes from people she will never do anything of real substance for. I find it odd that Clinton always seem to have policy positions according to her campaign yet Sanders makes promises in about every article written.
Once again her campaign "retools" her message to pander for votes from people she will never do anything of real substance for. I find it odd that Clinton always seem to have policy positions according to her campaign yet Sanders makes promises in about every article written.
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This is a tragedy.
The Democratic Party has likely just nominated a bankster-loving, prevaricating warmonger as its nominee, who is so widely disliked that Democratic turnout in November will be severely depressed--just as myself and other Bernie fans are today.
The Republicans, on the other hand, have nominated a complete wild card--a blowhard with fascistic leanings, but who is smart enough to hammer home his populist points about taking apart the large criminal banks; withdrawing from the disastrous NAFTA/CAFTA/'SHAFTA'(TPP) "free trade" [sic] agreements; and that universal health care should be a right.
For better or worse, Trump is being badly underestimated. Once it is accepted that he is the nominee, the appropriate Republican handlers will be put into place, and he will sound much more reasonable and moderate than he does now. And Clinton's record is so target-rich with flip-flops, weasel-words, populist betrayals, warmongering, and pandering to the financial thieves that she will be dismembered in debates and media.
In '07/'08 everyone got interested in the odd name "Obama". Any time now the buzz will start up about the historical name of our new President: "Drumf". As for me:
JILL STEIN '16
The Democratic Party has likely just nominated a bankster-loving, prevaricating warmonger as its nominee, who is so widely disliked that Democratic turnout in November will be severely depressed--just as myself and other Bernie fans are today.
The Republicans, on the other hand, have nominated a complete wild card--a blowhard with fascistic leanings, but who is smart enough to hammer home his populist points about taking apart the large criminal banks; withdrawing from the disastrous NAFTA/CAFTA/'SHAFTA'(TPP) "free trade" [sic] agreements; and that universal health care should be a right.
For better or worse, Trump is being badly underestimated. Once it is accepted that he is the nominee, the appropriate Republican handlers will be put into place, and he will sound much more reasonable and moderate than he does now. And Clinton's record is so target-rich with flip-flops, weasel-words, populist betrayals, warmongering, and pandering to the financial thieves that she will be dismembered in debates and media.
In '07/'08 everyone got interested in the odd name "Obama". Any time now the buzz will start up about the historical name of our new President: "Drumf". As for me:
JILL STEIN '16
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By the subtext of this article, among many in the MSM, and the comments from the Hillary-bros (and gals) it seems that Bernie needs to admit defeat before more than half the nation has had an opportunity to vote. That's democracy? How about letting a couple of the 'unimportant' states like NY, NJ, PA, VA and CA have an opportunity to weigh in?
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Sanders needs to concede and write and deliver a stirring "I gave it everything but I can't go further. It's over" speeches and throw his unconditional and enthusiastic support, along with his supporters, to Hillary Clinton. She has run a tough campaign (so far) and this is our candidate now, so we are supporting her. And don't mess up and not vote- we're close enough (again!) to keep this good-vibe democratic presidential thing continuing (democrats make such good presidents!), passed down from Daddy Obama. Because what are the other options? Terrifyingly clear.
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If it is Trump versus Hillary in the General Election, Trump will win by a lot. You heard it here first. Just look at all the states the Dems took during the 2008 and 2012 elections that will now be up for grabs. These are just some of them;
Virgina,Dems won the vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012. In this election in Virginia's primary the amount of Republicans that came out to vote was 1,024,913 compared to the Dems at 782,895. Trump has the Republicans coming out in groves. It's the same way in Florida, North Carolina, Maine, Iowa, Ohio, and Nevada. There will be many more as the next primaries come up. All of those states were blue states the past two election cycles but I don't think so anymore. Also many Bernie supporters said they will not vote for Hillary. So Hillary needs all the Bernie votes and then she needs a whole lot of votes taken from the Republicans and that will never happen. Hillary's camp has got to be worried about this.
Virgina,Dems won the vote for Obama in 2008 and 2012. In this election in Virginia's primary the amount of Republicans that came out to vote was 1,024,913 compared to the Dems at 782,895. Trump has the Republicans coming out in groves. It's the same way in Florida, North Carolina, Maine, Iowa, Ohio, and Nevada. There will be many more as the next primaries come up. All of those states were blue states the past two election cycles but I don't think so anymore. Also many Bernie supporters said they will not vote for Hillary. So Hillary needs all the Bernie votes and then she needs a whole lot of votes taken from the Republicans and that will never happen. Hillary's camp has got to be worried about this.
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It is over for Bernie, but not for what he stands for, a more decent and just society. HIllary is not the one who will bring in a revolution (but realistically neither was Bernie). What Bernie enthusiasts should look forward to is some younger version using the Democratic party organization to promote Bernie's vision in the future. A revolution needs to be built from the bottom up. The first step is to push for progressive local politicians to win Congressional and Sate Assembly seats. In the mean time, it is critical to keep Trump out of the White House, it will take longer to recover from his Presidency than it is taking to recover from Bush the clueless.
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From my perspective, the Left, I wish Sanders would resign with pride, grace, and dignity, having fought the good fight with everything he had and lost. America does not deserve him. In the field up through yesterday, he alone, with the possible exception of Kasich, was dangerous and indistinguishable from each other.
There is no substantive difference between Trump and Clinton, while Cruz and Rubio merely intensified the features of each. I am speaking, advisedly, not emotionally, or top-of-the-head, America is closer to fascism now than ever before. Call it prefascism, labels don't matter, but the volatility beneath the surface--resentments, frustrations, sheer bile and eruptive ugliness, hatred, xenophobia, ethnocentrism--is there for anyone to see.
Sanders cannot turn this around, nor even make a dent. The people have spoken and are speaking, Trump and Clinton merely riding the crest of the wave of their self-hatred and destructiveness. Blacks especially should be ashamed of their support for Clinton. I spent three, four decades active in the civil rights movements, with Dr. King in some tight spots, glad to do the little I could, whether Mississippi Freedom Summer, Selma, lunch counter desegregation, and Clinton is the exact opposite of Dr. King's life, vision, and martyrdom.
I'm glad for a Trump-Clinton contest, whomever wins. Because America will not. World War 3 is in prospect--more gun violence, interventions, wealth concentration. Dr. King, R.I.P.
There is no substantive difference between Trump and Clinton, while Cruz and Rubio merely intensified the features of each. I am speaking, advisedly, not emotionally, or top-of-the-head, America is closer to fascism now than ever before. Call it prefascism, labels don't matter, but the volatility beneath the surface--resentments, frustrations, sheer bile and eruptive ugliness, hatred, xenophobia, ethnocentrism--is there for anyone to see.
Sanders cannot turn this around, nor even make a dent. The people have spoken and are speaking, Trump and Clinton merely riding the crest of the wave of their self-hatred and destructiveness. Blacks especially should be ashamed of their support for Clinton. I spent three, four decades active in the civil rights movements, with Dr. King in some tight spots, glad to do the little I could, whether Mississippi Freedom Summer, Selma, lunch counter desegregation, and Clinton is the exact opposite of Dr. King's life, vision, and martyrdom.
I'm glad for a Trump-Clinton contest, whomever wins. Because America will not. World War 3 is in prospect--more gun violence, interventions, wealth concentration. Dr. King, R.I.P.
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This is shockingly condescending!
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There is no substantive difference between Trump and Clinton? Abortion, marriage equality, gun control, immigration, treatment of minorities, attitudes toward women -- nope, no difference.
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Norman Pollack, you say "There is no substantive difference between Trump and Clinton"? I can't imagine in the farthest stretch of my imagination how you don't see a substantive difference. I hope you will reconsider that statement.
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So I guess most voters think Sanders totally jumped the shark when he blamed Clinton for the BP oil spill? Or maybe Democrats do not appreciate someone coming in and appropriating our party for his own glory while contributing nothing to the cause? Or is it the hypocrisy of wailing about Super PACs while one is riding your campaign bus with you? Whatever did it, Sanders is now just another angry white male howling at the moon trying to rally those that look like him to destroy the Democratic party.....not happening Pops, go find your own party to smear with your absurd sanctimonious pandering and isolationism.
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This seems like a very angry comment to me. Not sure that is the message you truly want to send.
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Wow.
What a poor choice of possibilities we have this year.
1) The wife of the guy who signed the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act put in place in 1932 to prevent 2008 from happening, who, like her husband, takes money from what would be criminals on Wall Street without that repeal.
2) A guy who stiffed his creditors no less than four times in four bankruptcies and would be in jail in Israel or Germany where there are some laws. However, due to Republican "de-regulation" managed to keep his assets and run for President.
For the first time in my fairly young life, I have begun to think that it really is over for America.
Crooks are in complete control.
What a poor choice of possibilities we have this year.
1) The wife of the guy who signed the repeal of the Glass Steagall Act put in place in 1932 to prevent 2008 from happening, who, like her husband, takes money from what would be criminals on Wall Street without that repeal.
2) A guy who stiffed his creditors no less than four times in four bankruptcies and would be in jail in Israel or Germany where there are some laws. However, due to Republican "de-regulation" managed to keep his assets and run for President.
For the first time in my fairly young life, I have begun to think that it really is over for America.
Crooks are in complete control.
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So far into the primeries a Clinton/Sanders presidency looks attractive.
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Ha. Okay America. Apparently you want 4-8 more years of the same old same old. Hillary will take care of her big business interests, just like she did when she was on the Walmart board. She'll have the war she's always been wanting to have. And you will keep drowning under your healthcare costs, low wages, outsourcing and student debt.
That's if she beats Trump, which she is less likely to do than Sanders. But nevermind. I'm sure you know what you're doing.
That's if she beats Trump, which she is less likely to do than Sanders. But nevermind. I'm sure you know what you're doing.
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I hope a fairly recent convert to the Democratic Party can commit himself to campaigning for all the Democratic candidates this fall. If he truly believes in an (electoral) revolution,he will realize that he actually has a chance at a revolution,one that happens every two years. Just because a candidate compromises doesn't mean they are corrupt. That permanent change is incremental. Hillary is not Bernie nor Americas second best candidate, but a person ,like him ,who has worked for the betterment of Americans of all walks of life.
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I won't vote for Hillary Clinton. Under any circumstances. This may be the first time since Johnson I don't vote at all.
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think hard about your comment and recognize that this is because you cant imagine a woman in power.
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I support Kasich, but if Trump wins, even if he makes Kasich his VP, I will vote Democrat. I would never believe an honest Kasich would ally with Trump without being threatened.
You an tell that the Republican candidates all want to defect from the party of Trump, but are sticking with the GOP because it is their meal ticket.
I don't have the same restrictions on my vote - so if Kasich gets the nomination, I'll approve - otherwise I will give my vote and full support to whoever the Democrats nominate.
You an tell that the Republican candidates all want to defect from the party of Trump, but are sticking with the GOP because it is their meal ticket.
I don't have the same restrictions on my vote - so if Kasich gets the nomination, I'll approve - otherwise I will give my vote and full support to whoever the Democrats nominate.
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If Bernie Sanders were to lose the nomination to Clinton, it would not be because of his vision being unsustainable but only because too many voters lack the vision to insist on real change and *that* is what is going to lead to a real loss in America that can not be voted away.
I suspect that Americans need to suffer horribly before any true understanding and change is going to happen.
I suspect that Americans need to suffer horribly before any true understanding and change is going to happen.
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Great comment. Well said.
Keep on rolling Bernie, it's not over. The election was rigged from the start when the PRESS locked you out and Hillary got a head start. I would call Illinois and Missouri a...tie... and the rigged "Super Delegates" is a scam.
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Hillary won. Get over it. She has more votes and more delegates than Sanders. That's the way Democracy works. And no...losing by only a few points does not a Tie make. Would that mean Hillary tied Sanders in Michigan?
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How is this rigged?! We have had fair and free elections. More people are choosing Hillary of their own free will. No one is forcing them. You are free to vote, volunteer and donate to whomever you choose.
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New York Times, you have lost credibility in the eyes of many, including this soon-to-be ex-subscriber. Sad.
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No way Sanders is going to win the nomination now. The Democrats have proportional distribution in every primary state. Clinton could stop campaigning entirely and still win the nomination... Clinton is not going to give up her delegate lead even if she falls on her face in a lot of states after this.... I'm not even talking about the lead she has with the super-delegates, either.
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Whether it's Hillary or Bernie the overall direction doesn't vary. But the people are choosing pragmatism over idealism to get there. Trump (or Cruz) would go against. Time to support Hillary, aim where we need to go, and commence the path to get there.
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So Clinton and Trump are the "best" candidates for POTUS that the corrupt 2 party system can give us? My choice to self exile in France after the Bush vs Gore decision seems yet again to be well justified. I won't be worrying about health care in my twilight years (single payer here since 1945) or ending up living on the streets or dependent on my children due to outrageous medical/pharmaceutical costs. Americans had a generational chance to change the political winds, and you are going to accept either Republican lite/DLC oligarchs (HRC) or the far right evangelical/fascists will finally win it all. Congratulations. It only shows that both Democrats and Republicans are more than willing to vote against their own interests. For all of you HRC sycophants, enjoy another 4 years of nothing happening in terms of governance should she win the general (which still doesn't seem plausible since she desperately lacks support among independents). PS Whoever wins the general, expect pressure from us for you to take the refugees that are flooding our borders thanks to the incompetence of GWB, Obama and HRC,
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RE: I won't be worrying about health care in my twilight years (single payer here since 1945) or ending up living on the streets or dependent on my children due to outrageous medical/pharmaceutical costs.
Wonderful healthcare and other benefits good trains etc.. are all subsidized r by the US taxpayer who has been defending Europe for a century (WWI, WWII, Marshall Plan, Cold War) even today Europe spends next to nothing on defense because the US spends so much. UK recently cut its already meager contribution to NATO. Of course Europeans love socialism they're always on the receiving end.
Wonderful healthcare and other benefits good trains etc.. are all subsidized r by the US taxpayer who has been defending Europe for a century (WWI, WWII, Marshall Plan, Cold War) even today Europe spends next to nothing on defense because the US spends so much. UK recently cut its already meager contribution to NATO. Of course Europeans love socialism they're always on the receiving end.
I would like to be self-exiled in France as well. How did you manage that?
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Rest easy Bernsters.....Hillary Clinton is campaigning to win the White House while Bernie Sanders is campaigning to make America a better country. President Hillery may last 8 years while the movement Bernie has started will last many years into the future.
Hillary Clinton says one thing then another while Bernie Sanders has been delivering the same message since he was elected Mayor of Burlington, VT 35 years ago. Hillary isn't terrible, she's just not Bernie. She's a good establishment Democrat teaming with great 1990s ideas & a tad too many ties with the Titans of Wall Street & the Oligarchs standing on our throats in their custom-made Italian loafers.
Compared to the Republican candidates, Hillary is a peach! She'll be a decent President, but not someone who will bring the big changes this country so desperately needs. If she is the Democratic nominee in November, my family will march to the polls & give her our votes.
If Bernie doesn't win the nomination he'll go back to the Senate & continue to speak truth to power, naming the names of the guilty & grow his political revolution. Yes, the young voters are solidly with Bernie, but someday the media is going to wake up & realize a whole lot of us geezers are feeling the Bern too & that feeling isn't going to go away.
We'll help Hillary do her part to make America better. Hopefully Bernie & Liz Warren will celebrate their 100th birthdays still in the Senate. Reject the toxic GOP & America will be a better place.
Hillary Clinton says one thing then another while Bernie Sanders has been delivering the same message since he was elected Mayor of Burlington, VT 35 years ago. Hillary isn't terrible, she's just not Bernie. She's a good establishment Democrat teaming with great 1990s ideas & a tad too many ties with the Titans of Wall Street & the Oligarchs standing on our throats in their custom-made Italian loafers.
Compared to the Republican candidates, Hillary is a peach! She'll be a decent President, but not someone who will bring the big changes this country so desperately needs. If she is the Democratic nominee in November, my family will march to the polls & give her our votes.
If Bernie doesn't win the nomination he'll go back to the Senate & continue to speak truth to power, naming the names of the guilty & grow his political revolution. Yes, the young voters are solidly with Bernie, but someday the media is going to wake up & realize a whole lot of us geezers are feeling the Bern too & that feeling isn't going to go away.
We'll help Hillary do her part to make America better. Hopefully Bernie & Liz Warren will celebrate their 100th birthdays still in the Senate. Reject the toxic GOP & America will be a better place.
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Why do you have such trouble admitting that Hillary ran the table, winning all FIVE states in play? Sure, Mizzou was razor-thin, and a photo finish, but she won it. I hope Bernie will reconsider his "fight to the bitter end" vow and start working with Clinton to assure that this is a landslide win for their party
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I did not vote for years due to the negative effects of money in the political process. Bernie brought me out of hibernation because he is not bought and old by the corporate interests and big money that really runs this country. It is stunning to me that people do not see the corrupting influence this money has on our political system, and that Ms. Clinton will say anything to get elected and then do exactly what the money told her to do. If Bernie is defeated I will concede that our political system is too broke to ever be repaired and we are done.Unfortunately, nothing will change I am going back into hibernation.
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The idea that Caucuses favor "enthusiasm" is simply wrong. There are NO Absentee Ballots in Caucus States. Many older folk, disabled folk, shift workers, single mothers are all kept from participation. People talk about the hubbub of the people who are able to get there, but NOT about the invisible people who can not.
I made 3000 calls for Hillary in '08. "Oh honey, I can't caucus, I'm off-balance." People will not risk breaking their hip, period. NO Secret ballots=>"If my boss knew I was a Democrat and for Hillary, I wouldn't have a job on Monday." This last July in NV=>"I'm definitely for Hillary in the General but won't caucus because after the last one, they threw two dozen eggs at my house." "My wife had to stay home with our disabled son." Many rural husbands won't let their wives caucus for Hillary. I have so many heartbroken stories.
This odious myth about Caucuses being about "enthusiasm" is a failure of reporting. Caucuses are an anti-democratic menace. *I* can not unhear the wistful and sometimes angry voices of the Left-Out. "Just because I'm bedridden doesn't mean my mind doesn't work." Caucuses make cute TV but lousy democracy.
I made 3000 calls for Hillary in '08. "Oh honey, I can't caucus, I'm off-balance." People will not risk breaking their hip, period. NO Secret ballots=>"If my boss knew I was a Democrat and for Hillary, I wouldn't have a job on Monday." This last July in NV=>"I'm definitely for Hillary in the General but won't caucus because after the last one, they threw two dozen eggs at my house." "My wife had to stay home with our disabled son." Many rural husbands won't let their wives caucus for Hillary. I have so many heartbroken stories.
This odious myth about Caucuses being about "enthusiasm" is a failure of reporting. Caucuses are an anti-democratic menace. *I* can not unhear the wistful and sometimes angry voices of the Left-Out. "Just because I'm bedridden doesn't mean my mind doesn't work." Caucuses make cute TV but lousy democracy.
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In fact, people CAN vote absentee, at least here in Washington State (a caucus state), due to disability, work schedules etc. Do your homework.
As a single mother, I am very grateful I do not live in a caucus state. It's time for reform.
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Congratulations to Mrs. Clinton. Though she is my preferred candidate, I'm glad people got out and voted at all, regardless of whom they voted for.
Bill Maher, a Mr. Sanders supporter, commented recently on his HBO show about the #BernieorBust voters. His comments about this topic begin about one minute into a five minute long video, linked from Salon below; you may want to take a look if you're so inclined:
When Elizabeth Warren failed to endorse Sanders, Maher explained, her Facebook page was “bombarded” with angry messages from Bernie supporters. “Really? Elizabeth Warren is the enemy now?” Maher said. “She’s helped more millennials than Adderall.”
“This is gonna be the death of liberals, this nitpicky, intramural attacking of friends for insufficient purity,” Maher said
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/12/bill_maher_goes_after_the_bernieorbust_m...
Bill Maher, a Mr. Sanders supporter, commented recently on his HBO show about the #BernieorBust voters. His comments about this topic begin about one minute into a five minute long video, linked from Salon below; you may want to take a look if you're so inclined:
When Elizabeth Warren failed to endorse Sanders, Maher explained, her Facebook page was “bombarded” with angry messages from Bernie supporters. “Really? Elizabeth Warren is the enemy now?” Maher said. “She’s helped more millennials than Adderall.”
“This is gonna be the death of liberals, this nitpicky, intramural attacking of friends for insufficient purity,” Maher said
http://www.salon.com/2016/03/12/bill_maher_goes_after_the_bernieorbust_m...
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Why not a Clinton/Sanders ticket and call it a day?
Democratic voters had a choice between a corporatist owned by Wall Street, BigPharma, and the military industrial complex, and Bernie Sanders. They chose the corporatist. If Hillary Clinton ends up getting the nomination, the decision by those who voted for her will eventually be known as one of the worst decision in presidential elections history.
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I love Bernie, but at this point I think it's time for him to pivot so that the distance between his supporters and Hillary doesn't continue to widen. How about Bernie in the cabinet as Attorney General? Or Treasury Secretary?
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Bernie is a good man and I hope he has a role in the Clinton Administration if Trump can be defeated. Just keep him away from trade and gun policy.
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Here smile says it all, "Thank you my adoring acolytes for helping me to burnish my resume!" (It's all about me. All about me.)" If her husband's literary analog was Uriah Heep (albeit brilliant), I can't quite figure out her counterpart. Perhaps also Uriah Heep, but without the brilliance?
Alas, for this conservative Republican living in Beijing, with Sanders out, and with Kasich really needing a hail Mary, what can I say? And then there were none. Only Sanders hinted at, indeed, he seemed to revel in, the long lost conservative idea of the common good, an idea tragically dismissed by the current GOP.
Alas, for this conservative Republican living in Beijing, with Sanders out, and with Kasich really needing a hail Mary, what can I say? And then there were none. Only Sanders hinted at, indeed, he seemed to revel in, the long lost conservative idea of the common good, an idea tragically dismissed by the current GOP.
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Long lost is right! We haven't seen the conservative idea of the "common good" as expressed by Bernie Sanders since, well, since Edmund Burke was alive a few hundred years ago. And just curious: what do you see in Hillary's smile that tells you she thinks it's "all about me?" All I see is a smile. Is it possible you're reading a little too much into it?
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Wow: she can't win. Conservative pundits are criticizing her for not smiling enough, and now it turns out that when she does smile, it's nefarious. Good God.
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If Bernie is the man he presents himself to be he needs to begin creating a tidal wave of progressive activists who will dedicate themselves to political action to sweep Democrats into Congress so that a Democratic president will not face the gridlock. Otherwise, he's just another politician running for president. He needs to inspire activists not just voters.
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Feel the Burn, er, Bern yet?
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Trump is more than half-way to the nomination with no one really close to him and all we hear is 'what will happen at the convention'?
Hillary is less than half-way to the nomination with a candidate only 300 delegates behind and no one is talking about the convention...it's '...he served his purpose' and many think he should drop out?
Interesting.
John from Hartford...comparing Sanders to Rubio is ridiculous, look @ the wins, the delegates and the messages--simply no comparison, but you couldn't resist. Rubio didn't drop out to 'do the right thing'--he lost every state and fell to the bottom.
Hillary is less than half-way to the nomination with a candidate only 300 delegates behind and no one is talking about the convention...it's '...he served his purpose' and many think he should drop out?
Interesting.
John from Hartford...comparing Sanders to Rubio is ridiculous, look @ the wins, the delegates and the messages--simply no comparison, but you couldn't resist. Rubio didn't drop out to 'do the right thing'--he lost every state and fell to the bottom.
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Congratulations to all of Hillary Clinton's corporate donors, who worked tirelessly to ensure that $188 million got the job done.
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The New York Times won!
It has been a long, tough battle to get Hillary over the Primary hump, but I think the NYT may have finally accomplished it. Bravo.
Now we can all breathe a sigh of relief that 60's-style Democratic momentum toward universal health care, big reductions in foreign political intervention, minimum wage above the poverty line, full recognition of human rights for all immigrants, and free tuition at state universities (like, you know, California had until the 80's) will not be shoved down our throats for at least another 8 years. Such condescending, patronizing policies cannot be tolerated (like they are in nearly all other industrialized nations)!
And by joining CNN, FoxNews, and the rest of the sensationalistic news sources in giving Donald Trump way more attention than Bernie Sanders, the NYT has succeeded in making sure our democratic process is not tainted by biased reporting.
Can you just imagine what the Dem Primary would be like if the NYT put as much effort into reporting on Bernie's background and experience as they did Trump's? Their readers might learn more than what's good for them, and for America! Right?
It has been a long, tough battle to get Hillary over the Primary hump, but I think the NYT may have finally accomplished it. Bravo.
Now we can all breathe a sigh of relief that 60's-style Democratic momentum toward universal health care, big reductions in foreign political intervention, minimum wage above the poverty line, full recognition of human rights for all immigrants, and free tuition at state universities (like, you know, California had until the 80's) will not be shoved down our throats for at least another 8 years. Such condescending, patronizing policies cannot be tolerated (like they are in nearly all other industrialized nations)!
And by joining CNN, FoxNews, and the rest of the sensationalistic news sources in giving Donald Trump way more attention than Bernie Sanders, the NYT has succeeded in making sure our democratic process is not tainted by biased reporting.
Can you just imagine what the Dem Primary would be like if the NYT put as much effort into reporting on Bernie's background and experience as they did Trump's? Their readers might learn more than what's good for them, and for America! Right?
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In today's polarized political climate, each party appears disgusted by the other party's leader, be it Bush or Obama. But the great irony of today is that if Donald Trump is elected president, the party most disgusted by our new leader will be his own party. Because the Republicans will be forced to work with this cretin/bigot/monster whom they all (mostly) despise.
Perhaps the Republicans will simply impeach him. They're good at that.
Perhaps the Republicans will simply impeach him. They're good at that.
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This is a disappointment for many of us who consider Mr Sanders' path the best way forwaed and in fact among some the only way. Further this may halt any progression Mrs Clinton might have considered. If the pressure is off, as it may be, she can easily revert to the "neocon" many feel she is.
The only recourse we may have is the fact she is a woman and one who was betrayed by her husband, both of which could divorce her, perhaps not so figuratively, from him and his policies.
Margaret Thatcher was a fright for England among others and Mrs Clinton may be the same, but she could be no worse and in fact a great deal better than Mr Trump who could conceivably consider a Coronation more appropriate than a swearing in ceremony.
As Mr Dylan sang so long ago, "For the times they are a-changin"
The only recourse we may have is the fact she is a woman and one who was betrayed by her husband, both of which could divorce her, perhaps not so figuratively, from him and his policies.
Margaret Thatcher was a fright for England among others and Mrs Clinton may be the same, but she could be no worse and in fact a great deal better than Mr Trump who could conceivably consider a Coronation more appropriate than a swearing in ceremony.
As Mr Dylan sang so long ago, "For the times they are a-changin"
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Man, bad night for the biosphere.
Not great for income equality or election reform either.
Wall St. is relieved.
Not great for income equality or election reform either.
Wall St. is relieved.
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Every citizen of the US should be relieved. Bernie's economic policies would have been a YUGE disaster.
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It looks like I may be sitting out this election. I despise Trump and do not like the war-mongering, pandering Hillary Clinton. It's either a choice of voting for the lesser of two evils (Clinton) or not voting. It's sad.....
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One would hope that it isn't that hard to figure out the lesser of the two evils, and that lesser means just that.
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Do not sit out. Trump will win.
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Susan, as many will say, not voting is voting for the Republican candidate. I do not believe in judging people for voting on values, so those are not my words. I do argue people vote, however, third party over not voting at all if must be.
The "Ides of March Primary" was a very good night for Hillary Clinton. As of this writing Clinton has now decisively won the very important Electoral College states of Virginia, Florida, North Carolina and Ohio, all of which are purple. It's true that turnout has generally been higher for the Republican primary so far. But the reason for the difference may have more to do with GOP voters trying to stop Donald Trump than anything else. At this point we don't really know. Regardless of the higher Republican turnout, the importance of her wins in these four states cannot be underestimated. Combining these victories with the nonoccurrence of the Sanders' revolution, and the fact that Sanders has done virtually nothing for down-ballot Democrats will likely cement the loyalty of the superdelegates for Clinton. As a result, there is little probability Sanders can overcome her lead, no matter how well he does in the upcoming states that are favorable for him.
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One of the things that becomes apparent is that with the Internet, the power of the press as represented by the traditional print media is being seriously weakened.
We can discuss the merits of various political or social issues without a "by your leave" from the media. As smart as they think they are, they are not the only smart people in the room. Their role as gatekeeper of what information is disseminated is falling by the wayside. News Flash: New York Times, you no longer control what we the people talk about.
I predict that tihis power is going to displace the control of the 1% and their lobbyists, because they have no way to prevent the rest of us from having our own discussion and debate.
Back in the 1770s (remember those days? Yeah, I was there too, just like you) the Founding Fathers expressed themselves in pamphlets and such.
We can do the same thing. Let's go for it. It is time to prepare for the elections of 2018 and 2020, starting now. It is never too early.
We can discuss the merits of various political or social issues without a "by your leave" from the media. As smart as they think they are, they are not the only smart people in the room. Their role as gatekeeper of what information is disseminated is falling by the wayside. News Flash: New York Times, you no longer control what we the people talk about.
I predict that tihis power is going to displace the control of the 1% and their lobbyists, because they have no way to prevent the rest of us from having our own discussion and debate.
Back in the 1770s (remember those days? Yeah, I was there too, just like you) the Founding Fathers expressed themselves in pamphlets and such.
We can do the same thing. Let's go for it. It is time to prepare for the elections of 2018 and 2020, starting now. It is never too early.
It amazes me how many folks are taken in by Mrs. Clinton and those that praise her. She was married to a Governor then a President. She advanced virtually no legislation as the Senator from NY, just put in her time. As Sec of state the Arab spring had the middle east in turmoil. Relations with Russia, Israel, Egypt and others got much worse. When anyone asks her followers of her accomplishments no one can name any.
If Hillary Clinton manages to win the nomination then I will hold my nose and vote for her. It's an ugly reprise of so many elections, presidential and otherwise, in my adult life.
Clinton is a much higher risk candidate than Sanders because her baggage is so extreme and she cannot attract the vital independent vote and if anything will repel them. In my opinion a vote for Clinton is actually a vote for Trump who could very well trounce her when the Electoral College votes are tallied.
But who am I to stand in the way of the Clinton Taliban and the New York Times Koran? You folks know what's best for us, right?
Clinton is a much higher risk candidate than Sanders because her baggage is so extreme and she cannot attract the vital independent vote and if anything will repel them. In my opinion a vote for Clinton is actually a vote for Trump who could very well trounce her when the Electoral College votes are tallied.
But who am I to stand in the way of the Clinton Taliban and the New York Times Koran? You folks know what's best for us, right?
I wish this was a TV show and in a few weeks everything would be revealed to be "a dream" and we could be back in January 2015 before any of this policical foolishness had occurred. So we could re-write the events and have a different outcome.
Hillary is out for her own pocketbook and to bloat her own ego. It doesn't matter how many people get killed with her poor decision making, or how much money she amasses...
Sanders wants to overtax the few people left PAYING any significant tax to extend the free school/babysitting of highschool out to 4 years of college...even for people who don't care enough to learn to read and do simple math during their K-12 years. Wasted money and wasted time!
Rubio might have been a good choice, but didn't connect with people early enough.
Cruz is kind of scary.
Trump has some good qualities, but it's overshadowed by his bad ones.
Kasich seems like a decent guy, but isn't experienced enough in this federal game to really make things happen this year--which I think is his first foray into the presidential race.
I wish this were all a dream, because if it's really true, then it's a nightmare!
Hillary is out for her own pocketbook and to bloat her own ego. It doesn't matter how many people get killed with her poor decision making, or how much money she amasses...
Sanders wants to overtax the few people left PAYING any significant tax to extend the free school/babysitting of highschool out to 4 years of college...even for people who don't care enough to learn to read and do simple math during their K-12 years. Wasted money and wasted time!
Rubio might have been a good choice, but didn't connect with people early enough.
Cruz is kind of scary.
Trump has some good qualities, but it's overshadowed by his bad ones.
Kasich seems like a decent guy, but isn't experienced enough in this federal game to really make things happen this year--which I think is his first foray into the presidential race.
I wish this were all a dream, because if it's really true, then it's a nightmare!
I have a proposal:
A "None of the Above" option on the ballot.
Very simple -- if None of the Above gets the majority of votes, ALL of the candidates on the ballot are tossed.
In both parties, I don't know of anyone who is actually voting *for* a candidate. Instead, people are voting against others.
Seriously, Democrats, Republicans, my fellow countrymen, are these the only people we can come up with to run this nation? Surely there has to be someone out there who is decent and has a good head on their shoulders. Anyone?
A "None of the Above" option on the ballot.
Very simple -- if None of the Above gets the majority of votes, ALL of the candidates on the ballot are tossed.
In both parties, I don't know of anyone who is actually voting *for* a candidate. Instead, people are voting against others.
Seriously, Democrats, Republicans, my fellow countrymen, are these the only people we can come up with to run this nation? Surely there has to be someone out there who is decent and has a good head on their shoulders. Anyone?
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There is this older gentlemen, from Vermont I believe. Word is the guy has integrity and has always voted based on his principles. Best thing about this guy is he's not beholden to anyone but regular Americans. He's got some trillion dollar plan to put people to work fixing infrastructure or something. There's other stuff about money corrupting the political system and avoiding regime change wars. I don't know, maybe this guy could fill in?
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Poor America even with the power of the internet you guys cant figure out how much you guys have been played...Trump and Clinton as your nominees. ..two people that shouldn't even be allowed run.....no matter who wins it makes no difference they both are cut from the same cloth and are part of the same inner circle with the same friends..Sad day for America...One of the turning points in the end of a great nation.
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I guess Hillary's Ohio voters didn't know she just negotiated the most recent trade pact?
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Either that or maybe that the huge job loses Sanders attributed to the trade pacts in his political adds was labeled by an independent agency as false.
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we live in a global world, we do have to have trade. we just have to build in safety nets and plan Bs for those who will be negatively affected and fair trade and tax rules.
but the world is going to get only flatter.
but the world is going to get only flatter.
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My my, how quickly the liberals abandon their principles when facing the prospect of letting the other side win. They rather a warmongering, Wall Street paying woman sitting in the White House than an independent that have no PAC and not in the pocket of special interest because he is not "us". Talk about partisan politics.
I hope all independent and moderates like me will evaluate candidates on their policy and history instead of toting the party line come November. This country could use a president not beholden to special interest groups.
I hope all independent and moderates like me will evaluate candidates on their policy and history instead of toting the party line come November. This country could use a president not beholden to special interest groups.
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If what is left of the shrinking middle class and blue collars in Ohio and Illinois did vote for Mrs Clinton, the game might turn pretty tough for Bernie Sanders. Probably a very pragmatic vote, from people who either do not grasp what is at stake or have lost faith/confidence while considering who 's holding the power in Congress.
In either case, I can't help feeling something close to sadness.
In either case, I can't help feeling something close to sadness.
The troubling thing coming out of tonight's primary results are that people are voting for candidates that they don't trust and additionally, in Trump's case, a person who is a liar and a bully. Untrustworthy, lying and bullying candidates for President. If either Trump or Clinton win, America will get what it deserves- chaos. Being honest , hard working, and a thoughtful politician doesn't sit well with thte majority of Americans, except for our young and independent voters. All this time I thought maturity, and wisdom came with those who are older. Maybe on another planet.
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Sanders continues to not acknowledge or congratulate Hillary when she wins...in sharp contrast to Hillary's classy speeches and positive mentions of him on primary nights, win or lose. He made no direct mention of tonight's massive loses on the campaign trail...merely gave another stump speech. That is extremely telling. The math is obvious. He won't win blow outs in CA, NY or NJ. It's time to unite the party against Trump. If he keeps going more negative on the campaign trail and going for more 'boo' lines against her - he will have no place at the table come convention time...nor will he deserve one.
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Stop telling us how to think. Let the process play out. We still have time to prepare Hillary's tiara. Until then she hasn't earned the nomination. Interesting how you see Bernie going "negative" when HRC has gone full throttle that way from the jump. Double standards don't matter. And why would it be so coveted for Bernie to have a "pace at the table" at the convention? The Democrats are only slightly behind the Republicans in lockstep obedience to the corporate sector and the military-industrial complex, indifference to the working poor (HRC wants to raise the minimum wage to $12, a joke), and destructive environmental policies. If you want someone to run the Empire competently, HRC is a good choice. For most of us, she is not.
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The New York Times endorses Clinton. FIne. But if the Times truly wants to do best by Clinton, and see her not only nominated, but successful in November, I strongly recommend that the Times give Senator Sanders and his platform the attention and respect they deserve, proportionate to his support among Democrats and Independents.
Why? Because, as we all know, Clinton and all Democratic candidates will need Sanders' and his supporters' enthusiastic support through November. Sanders is not some also-ran, and his supporters, overwhelmingly young, are both the Democrats present and future.
It should be clear to that all Democrats need to support a party platform that reflects the issues important to Sanders and his supporters. I hope Clinton has come to realize that simply "continuing the legacy of President Obama" is not going to win. The electorate of 2016 is clearly very different from even 2012.
Clinton will not be able to successfully campaign against Trump if she cannot give Trump voters, which include a large proportion of Independents, a reason to support her instead. Clinton cannot simply campaign against Trump's populism. She needs to convince voters she offers them real solutions to their economic fears.
Just as Clinton has largely adopted Sanders' platform in the primaries, she will have to do so even more in the general election. Clinton needs Sanders' ideas, she needs Sanders' supporters. The New York Times needs to help Clinton remember that if she is to win.
Why? Because, as we all know, Clinton and all Democratic candidates will need Sanders' and his supporters' enthusiastic support through November. Sanders is not some also-ran, and his supporters, overwhelmingly young, are both the Democrats present and future.
It should be clear to that all Democrats need to support a party platform that reflects the issues important to Sanders and his supporters. I hope Clinton has come to realize that simply "continuing the legacy of President Obama" is not going to win. The electorate of 2016 is clearly very different from even 2012.
Clinton will not be able to successfully campaign against Trump if she cannot give Trump voters, which include a large proportion of Independents, a reason to support her instead. Clinton cannot simply campaign against Trump's populism. She needs to convince voters she offers them real solutions to their economic fears.
Just as Clinton has largely adopted Sanders' platform in the primaries, she will have to do so even more in the general election. Clinton needs Sanders' ideas, she needs Sanders' supporters. The New York Times needs to help Clinton remember that if she is to win.
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Drumpf and Clinton in November 2016, the lessor of two liars.
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I can understand some of the bitterness from Bernie Sanders' supporters. Clinton supporters keep saying "Lets all get behind her and prevent a Trump presidency,' but both candidates, we have to admit, are not very good. They both have the lowest approval ratings, have numerous scandals, are highly mistrusted by Americans, are rich and wealthy, have deep ties to big business, and essentially are the result of American dynasties. From what I've seen, Sanders' supporters seem to be some of the most well informed people on the internet in regards to corruption in our government, while Clinton supporters have largely turned a blind eye to her ties to Wall Street and other questionable relationships (i.e. Saudi Arabia).
But hold your horses! Progressives and Sanders' supporters will vote for Clinton. Even if they are dragging their feet, they will vote for he because fear is a powerful thing. Capitalizing on that fear of a Trump presidency will be the surest way for her to win the presidency.
But hold your horses! Progressives and Sanders' supporters will vote for Clinton. Even if they are dragging their feet, they will vote for he because fear is a powerful thing. Capitalizing on that fear of a Trump presidency will be the surest way for her to win the presidency.
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I don't think Clinton supporters are turning a blind eye to anything. Rather I think most of us are rational enough to not equate a person giving speeches while out of office to being bought by an industry and nor do we think that contributions to the Clinton Foundation (which does amazing work) from foreign governments mean she is beholden to any foreign nation.
I do hope you are right that Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary. But don't you worry, plenty of liberals and progressives (a very over rused word in this political campaign) are already voting for her and will continue to do so.
I do hope you are right that Bernie supporters will vote for Hillary. But don't you worry, plenty of liberals and progressives (a very over rused word in this political campaign) are already voting for her and will continue to do so.
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I will never vote for HRC. Let the DNC learn not to manipulate the process so that we can have a fair primary voting process and choose the best candidate.
No. Some of us will vote third party. Why cares which oligach is in power?
I am really surprised that Hillary is doing so well in these primaries. Bernie has been fair in all the debates, but the news media have been disgusting. The E-mail flack is all based upon ex post facto law and regulations that were enacted after her term in office, - which is strictly forbidden by our Constitution. Also, during G W Bush’s term there were 21 “Benghazis” where over 3,000 Americans were killed, with Reagan over 24 “Benghazis” with over 740 Americans killed. Since major news media do not report and emphasize the above facts, and Hillary is still winning, it shows to me that people are voting for her and are paying very little attention to the incessant anti- Hillary news. Thank God.
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Last polling I saw suggested 10-15% of Bernie supporters have Trump as their no. 2. Once Sanders is no longer an option, which you can argue is now, team Trump will receive a deluge of twentysomethings still eager to give a figurative middle finger to the establishment.
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Green Party here I come.
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Well, that's it. President Donald J. Trump. As a friend said yesterday, Trump would probably have to get caught on video eating a barbecued baby in order to lose to Ms. Clinton. Sexism, combined with the not unrelated fact that most people cannot stand her, means she almost certainly cannot win. And of course her long record as a traitor to Progressivism, not to mention her hawkish foreign policy, hurts her, too.
How did the Democratic Party allow this to happen? The other party is disintegrating, yet its opponent is unelectable even as she runs against a rich celebrity narcissist who has been a laughingstock for 40 years.
American society continues to fall apart. Trump as President will hasten that process.
How did the Democratic Party allow this to happen? The other party is disintegrating, yet its opponent is unelectable even as she runs against a rich celebrity narcissist who has been a laughingstock for 40 years.
American society continues to fall apart. Trump as President will hasten that process.
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"Sexism" really? Why don't you just play the racial card for good measure even though that doesn't exist here either. We are tired of HRC lies and greed and being the poster child for Wall Street and other bog corporations.
Senator Sanders should stay in the race right up to the convention.
The issues he has campaigned on are far too important, far too consequential, not to be continuously articulated.
Sanders needs to stay in the race, so that voters in all of the primary states get to voice their opinion on Democratic and national priorities.
Even if Sanders is not the nominee, the more support he garners for his platform, the more leverage Sanders and his supporters will have to shape the Democratic platform coming out of the nominating convention.
This will actually benefit Clinton, her supporters, all Democratic candidates for office in November, and the Democratic Party itself. Why? Because the more the party and its candidates adopt a true progressive platform, the more enthusiastically Sanders supporters will be to support Clinton and all Democratic candidates. Democrats need to take back the Senate at least as much as they need to retain the White House. Sanders' and his supporters' full enthusiasm is essential.
Do not take a Trump or a Cruz loss for granted in November. Republican primary turnouts have been surging in the primaries, while Democratic turnouts have been decidedly down.
Senator Sanders and his supporters must keep fighting, keep their enthusiasm, through to November, regardless of the nominee, to make sure that their agenda gets its fullest support. An if she's the nominee, Clinton would not be wise not to support that a truly progressive agenda fully, sincerely.
The issues he has campaigned on are far too important, far too consequential, not to be continuously articulated.
Sanders needs to stay in the race, so that voters in all of the primary states get to voice their opinion on Democratic and national priorities.
Even if Sanders is not the nominee, the more support he garners for his platform, the more leverage Sanders and his supporters will have to shape the Democratic platform coming out of the nominating convention.
This will actually benefit Clinton, her supporters, all Democratic candidates for office in November, and the Democratic Party itself. Why? Because the more the party and its candidates adopt a true progressive platform, the more enthusiastically Sanders supporters will be to support Clinton and all Democratic candidates. Democrats need to take back the Senate at least as much as they need to retain the White House. Sanders' and his supporters' full enthusiasm is essential.
Do not take a Trump or a Cruz loss for granted in November. Republican primary turnouts have been surging in the primaries, while Democratic turnouts have been decidedly down.
Senator Sanders and his supporters must keep fighting, keep their enthusiasm, through to November, regardless of the nominee, to make sure that their agenda gets its fullest support. An if she's the nominee, Clinton would not be wise not to support that a truly progressive agenda fully, sincerely.
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The commie prop in a wrinkled suit, on stage just to make Hillary look a little younger (and saner) needs to end his charade. The fact that a fake candidate can dupe so many teens and twentysomethings doesn't leave me confident in my peers.
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Well, that's that. Sanders is toast. Speaking of toast, come general election day I'll check my slice and make sure it's buttered on the right side. After that, I'll check the weather. If that pesky wind happens to be blowing in the right direction I'll step outside, greet my neighbor and head down to the polling station. Once there, I'll probably have to cross an aisle (or two) because I forgot some minor piece of information. Typical. Once that's all cleared up, I'll do my part in casting a vote for whoever I think will cause the least amount of damage. Fun days we're living in.
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It is absurd to call Hillary Clinton an "establishment" candidate - the first female President - is revolutionary! She is experienced, not establishment. She's had to fight for every seat she every got at The table - she's had to be smarter. better prepared, work harder, longer and endure more criticism than any man in her position. Her determination, stamina and ability to survive the mud slinging inspires us all. Finally - an incredibly qualified and brilliant woman leading the United States - the revolution has arrived!
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No accomplishments as SOS, or senator and being First Lady doesn't really count for experience. Just says she's been on the public dole most of her adult life. First Female? Well Britain already did that and well so did India. I would love a female President just not hrc.
Hillary Clinton is starting to flub things- Nancy Reagon supported AIDs treatment for gays when that was not true, says Bernie Sanders didn't support her Heath initiative when he did support it, etc. Is it possible that she's losing it ? And if elected might become another Ronald Reagon suffering from memory loss. While Trump, with memory intact, is a disaster.
What to do: Go third party or stay home? Any way you look at it you lose. Could be that modern America is going down the tubs if Trump vs. Clinton is the best it can offer.
What to do: Go third party or stay home? Any way you look at it you lose. Could be that modern America is going down the tubs if Trump vs. Clinton is the best it can offer.
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After berating Hillary again and again this past week using his usual rants about her six figure speaking fees and all those trade pacts she signed on to, Mr. Sanders still managed to get his clock cleaned, losing four more primaries on Tuesday with Missouri not looking too good with Hillary up by over a thousand votes and just one precinct not in.
The take away, Mr. Sanders, is that Hillary just isn't this unscrupulous woman you keep trying to portray her as. The Republican Party has been doing the same thing for the past twenty five years. They started with HillaryCare and her being shrill. Then, while she served two terms as Senator from the State of New York, they tried to poison the well over and over again, alluding to her as being another Liberal Democrat bent on advancing Progressive views that would drag America down a path of destruction.
Then came her being Bill's enabler, then Benghazi, and then came the incredible "private server" crime of the century (even though it was found out that Colin Powell also used private servers while in his appointed cabinet position.)
And now Mr. Sanders, I guess it's your turn to go after this woman. But play fair Mr. Sanders. I haven't heard Hillary quiz you once on your exploiting your youthful supporters, telling them how you'll provide free State School college educations. And how about them dreaming of the day you'll propose legislation to absolve their student loan debt and pretty dishonest of you to hint you will.
The take away, Mr. Sanders, is that Hillary just isn't this unscrupulous woman you keep trying to portray her as. The Republican Party has been doing the same thing for the past twenty five years. They started with HillaryCare and her being shrill. Then, while she served two terms as Senator from the State of New York, they tried to poison the well over and over again, alluding to her as being another Liberal Democrat bent on advancing Progressive views that would drag America down a path of destruction.
Then came her being Bill's enabler, then Benghazi, and then came the incredible "private server" crime of the century (even though it was found out that Colin Powell also used private servers while in his appointed cabinet position.)
And now Mr. Sanders, I guess it's your turn to go after this woman. But play fair Mr. Sanders. I haven't heard Hillary quiz you once on your exploiting your youthful supporters, telling them how you'll provide free State School college educations. And how about them dreaming of the day you'll propose legislation to absolve their student loan debt and pretty dishonest of you to hint you will.
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Hillary promises the moon and no one asks her how.
I like how the only defense of Hillary people can come up with is "supreme court". Guys the country is not going to fall apart if Trump is elected. The founding fathers weren't stupid, they built in tons of "checks and balances". If he goes too far off the wall congress will just impeach him or override everything he does and not approve any inappropriate nominees, which will significantly hamstring his administration. The DNC and RNC and most politicians are just plain corrupt. If Bernie loses vote for Jill Stein for real change!
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Sanders is not going to stop as long as he has people sending him money and adoring crowds to cheer him on. Long after Hillary is sworn in, he will continue to search for his spotlight.
I don't think anyone should ask him to stop the campaign, but it would be helpful if instead of attacking Hillary, he worked to get more Democrats elected into the House, Senate and Governor's mansions. A more progressive Congress would make it easier to get a progressive agenda through.
I didn't think he could catch up to her two hundred delegate lead, I would like to hear in what reality does Bernie catch up to a three hundred delegate lead. The fire may be going out on that campaign.
I don't think anyone should ask him to stop the campaign, but it would be helpful if instead of attacking Hillary, he worked to get more Democrats elected into the House, Senate and Governor's mansions. A more progressive Congress would make it easier to get a progressive agenda through.
I didn't think he could catch up to her two hundred delegate lead, I would like to hear in what reality does Bernie catch up to a three hundred delegate lead. The fire may be going out on that campaign.
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Ah, how many times we've already seen this language, eh?
"If Hillary is the democratic nominee in November I will hold my nose and vote for her..."
All these Bernie supporters who swore they'd never vote for Hillary – changing their minds already.
Remember this: Your vote counts just the same whether or not you "hold your nose" when you pull the lever.
"If Hillary is the democratic nominee in November I will hold my nose and vote for her..."
All these Bernie supporters who swore they'd never vote for Hillary – changing their minds already.
Remember this: Your vote counts just the same whether or not you "hold your nose" when you pull the lever.
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Please stop trying to bully us into supporting HRC by bringing up the Supreme Court. Guess what? The Supreme Court is always in play, every election year. That is what happens when the average justice is 700 years old.
With the exception of Jimmy Carter, every president since the Civil War has appointed a Supreme Court justice, most more than one. It is always going to be an issue, for better or worse. All sides need to stop misleading the people, and voters need to stop being so easily led.
With the exception of Jimmy Carter, every president since the Civil War has appointed a Supreme Court justice, most more than one. It is always going to be an issue, for better or worse. All sides need to stop misleading the people, and voters need to stop being so easily led.
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The Clintons did not move the country to the right, the country moved to the right.
All of the idealistic, anti establishment hippies gleefully became yuppies when Reagan and the opportunity presented itself. The need to increase one's property values, ones'. child's access to better education, and the smell of that new Mercedes became too great to resist.
All of the idealistic, anti establishment hippies gleefully became yuppies when Reagan and the opportunity presented itself. The need to increase one's property values, ones'. child's access to better education, and the smell of that new Mercedes became too great to resist.
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So you were there, too! Glad I'm not the only person who remembers those days.
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Bernie is a poverty pimp. He wants to bring down the billionaire class as he becomes the most powerful man in the world. Yeah, I'm sure he's not going to live like a billionaire.
And what's this about a revolution? Sure, take from the hard working middle and upper middle class and spread it to the poor. Great for people that don't work.
And what's this about a revolution? Sure, take from the hard working middle and upper middle class and spread it to the poor. Great for people that don't work.
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You say Hillary swept four states? Well if you were to ask me, I would say Bernie is winning. He has been giving Hillary Clinton a run for her money. All this with a nearly full block out or bad coverage from the press, (yes including the NYTimes) not a sent from cooperate America. The people are catching on. I have seen many heads turn away from Hillary. When she knowingly used her husband to violate Massachusetts voting laws by entering a poling center and going within 150 fifty feet of three other stations. Where was the NYTimes coverage on this? Ms. Clinton is a part of the political machine. Bernie is the only politician with integrity and heart. The media continues to snub him. Why?They are terrified of his fearless truth.
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If I vote, it will be a write-in for Barrack Obama, pending Congressional approval for his running for a third term.
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Interesting thought. I think a lot of republicans and democrats could get behind that idea.
With all the might of the Democratic machine and Trump-haters behind her she only won by the slimmest of margins. Pretty much tells you Sanders would have been the party nomination if this country elect leaders base on skill and capability instead of election-winnability.
Trump and Sanders, tough call who will reform this nation. Trump and Clinton, the people's choice vs. the bankers'.
Trump and Sanders, tough call who will reform this nation. Trump and Clinton, the people's choice vs. the bankers'.
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I don't know Hillary Clinton well enough to love her. I do know enough to admire her tremendously. I believe she has what it takes to win the Democratic nomination and the Presidency, and the potential to serve this country as a highly effective, even great, American President.
Woodway, WA
Woodway, WA
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YOU'RE puzzled?
"I'm puzzled by Sanders's ... supposed strategy for governance once he's president..."
I'm puzzled that Sanders, and Clinton, even think a "strategy for governance" is worth thinking about. If either one of them wins in November, absolutely nothing of their "agenda" will get enacted. They'll get to nominate Supreme Court Justices, issue executive orders, and deliver stirring speeches from the bully pulpit of the Presidency. Those are not negligible powers; nevertheless, that's it. Forget about any "agenda."
The Democrats should keep this in mind when they decide whether to nominate Hillary. Which of the two would be better at nominating Supreme Court Justices, issuing executive orders, and delivering stirring speeches?
"I'm puzzled by Sanders's ... supposed strategy for governance once he's president..."
I'm puzzled that Sanders, and Clinton, even think a "strategy for governance" is worth thinking about. If either one of them wins in November, absolutely nothing of their "agenda" will get enacted. They'll get to nominate Supreme Court Justices, issue executive orders, and deliver stirring speeches from the bully pulpit of the Presidency. Those are not negligible powers; nevertheless, that's it. Forget about any "agenda."
The Democrats should keep this in mind when they decide whether to nominate Hillary. Which of the two would be better at nominating Supreme Court Justices, issuing executive orders, and delivering stirring speeches?
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I'm all in for Sanders until June and will consider supporting Clinton only if she earns my vote between now and then. Sorry, I don't play for "Team D." I simply vote the candidate whose character and policies are in line with what I support. If you get behind a dishonest, corrupt candidate, it might be better than Trump in the short-term, but long term that's the best you're ever going to get. If you say no to HRC, and she loses, the dems will eventually have to nominate a Warren or a Sanders to win. Think long-term, think bigger. Bernie till the bitter end.
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I can't wait till the general election, when The Donald attacks Hillary from the left, and she (as she always does) tilts right.
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We are now one giant step closer to having the first female President - who by the way is the most qualified candidate in the field by far. I am sitting here with my two very excited little girls - this matters, This is the revolution.
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You supporters of her keep telling us about how qualified she is but never backing it up. She was a mediocre SOS and even worse senator (carpetbagger) from NY. I guess one qualification of hers is that she's already lived in the White House and knows her way around. But that's about it.
Congratulation to the democratic machinery for it's Iowa, Chicago, and St. Louis performances. Anyone with the backing of such a political establishment, as well as the media, corporate, and financial establishments, might feel a bit ashamed by the tight race, assuming there's some shame left. I'm sorry, it's not just Hillary. It's all so corrupt and/or phony. But who in their right mind supports Goliath over David? Is this out of fear? I don't think I'm being a poor sport because I don't think of this as sport. How can we kill so many innocent people throughout the world, with so little justification? We decapitate heads of state. They can only do heads. It's just scale. Our fear of terrorism is irrational. What about killer bees and lightning? And do we really need the threat of destitution to keep our society productive? Most other modern countries don't seem to need it. Ahh, here comes that Bern again....
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Why doesn't anyone see the 22nd Amendment violation with Clinton? Technically Hillary WAS in the White House as the First Lady and therefore part of the presidency through marriage. Why is this not talked about? It plays into the hands of nepotism, cronyism and extreme conflicts of interest via patronage spoils system. This spills over into corruption in state and local rights which has a horrible historical track record associated with it. No wonder why people are so outspoken about dynasties.
To me, Hillary's power grab is blatant, determined and calculated. It is truly scary. Sitting out the general is not a bad idea to allow itself to self correct with checks and balances already built in.
There is a silver lining to tonight's string of "defeats". Sanders has demonstrated that his numbers are growing, as well as his percentages. Only Florida was in the 30's and that was due to the early voting and demographics. Sanders made incredible inroads with minorities in ALL states and has now proven he can win them and big. In North Carolina Sanders broke 40% which improved over Virginia and much improved since South Carolina and destroyed deep Southern states results. I see sunshine in the numbers if you know what I mean... Hillary is the other side of the corporate and establishment coin. The Republicans took care of their Bush "problem" dynasty. Now we have to take care of ours. I cannot and vote for HRC and would rather sit it out.
To me, Hillary's power grab is blatant, determined and calculated. It is truly scary. Sitting out the general is not a bad idea to allow itself to self correct with checks and balances already built in.
There is a silver lining to tonight's string of "defeats". Sanders has demonstrated that his numbers are growing, as well as his percentages. Only Florida was in the 30's and that was due to the early voting and demographics. Sanders made incredible inroads with minorities in ALL states and has now proven he can win them and big. In North Carolina Sanders broke 40% which improved over Virginia and much improved since South Carolina and destroyed deep Southern states results. I see sunshine in the numbers if you know what I mean... Hillary is the other side of the corporate and establishment coin. The Republicans took care of their Bush "problem" dynasty. Now we have to take care of ours. I cannot and vote for HRC and would rather sit it out.
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Well congrats - you will elect Trump and probably put 3 conservative justices on the Supreme Court, reverse just about every good thing that Obama has managed to get through and likely get us into another war or two or three. The correction you speak of will have repercussions that will last a generation at least.
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A Hillary supporter thinks Bernie's supporters should be gracious in defeat:
"It saddens me to see that so many of Bernie's supporters appear to be sore losers."
You know the old saying: "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."
"It saddens me to see that so many of Bernie's supporters appear to be sore losers."
You know the old saying: "Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser."
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I've been an Independent since 1988, and as a Sanders supporter this disappoints me. I am disappointed by the rancor, condescension and snide tone from people saying a $15 min wage, single payer healthcare and affordable education are "magic". That's not reality. That's called giving up. For 10 yrs now I've lived in a country with single payer and free university. It's real and it works. It's tragic, at this pivotal time, to see Americans embrace the status quo that has failed most of them.
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I am even more disturbed by other voters who are saying they will stay home or write in a third party candidate in a Trump/Clinton election. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. You think Bush was bad? Imagine a Trump presidency. This world can not afford a Trump presidency, and that could well become a reality - a very terrifying one - if people become obstinate and don't think clearly and wisely. I hope the Democrats can regain some sanity come November.
BUT
I am even more disturbed by other voters who are saying they will stay home or write in a third party candidate in a Trump/Clinton election. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. You think Bush was bad? Imagine a Trump presidency. This world can not afford a Trump presidency, and that could well become a reality - a very terrifying one - if people become obstinate and don't think clearly and wisely. I hope the Democrats can regain some sanity come November.
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The majority of the delegates have yet to be chosen.
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The top issue for Republican and independent voters was the insistence on major change. Democratic voters were determined to ignore this.
Our party is now stuck with a corrupt old warhorse nobody is enthusiastic about.
We're going to pay for this obstinance.
Our party is now stuck with a corrupt old warhorse nobody is enthusiastic about.
We're going to pay for this obstinance.
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and pay, and pay, and pay ...
The time has come now, for all Democrats, be they pro Bernie or pro HRC, to forget the past, put aside their differences, and unite...
...behind Donald Trump.
...behind Donald Trump.
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I listened to Hillary Clinton's Florida victory speech and tried to get on the bandwagon. It didn't work.
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Yet again, the Times shamelessly flaunts its bias for the Democratic establishment in its loving praise for Clinton and belittling of Sanders. This is not journalism.
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Senator Sanders has said that Hillary is "Four Hundred times better than anyone on the Republican side". If Bernie is not the nominee, I think that his supporters should take him at his word.
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Several commenters have patted Bernie on the head for his noble service to the Democratic Party, but say it's now time for him to ride off into the sunset.
No question that would improve Hillary's chances. On the other hand, the moment Bernie bows out would be the moment Hillary starts her inevitable rightward shift. As long as Bernie is around, she's got to watch her left flank, and me may coax her into taking even more liberal positions than he has already. If you support Bernie and you think that's a valuable service for him to perform, it's hard to see why you'd encourage him to pull out now.
Hillary's got the nomination locked up. But what she doesn't have "locked up" are the Democratic candidate's position on key issues. Bernie can force her further in his direction as long as he stays around.
No question that would improve Hillary's chances. On the other hand, the moment Bernie bows out would be the moment Hillary starts her inevitable rightward shift. As long as Bernie is around, she's got to watch her left flank, and me may coax her into taking even more liberal positions than he has already. If you support Bernie and you think that's a valuable service for him to perform, it's hard to see why you'd encourage him to pull out now.
Hillary's got the nomination locked up. But what she doesn't have "locked up" are the Democratic candidate's position on key issues. Bernie can force her further in his direction as long as he stays around.
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Let us not forget that the best appeals of Sanders' are longterm goals that are achievable if Congress wills it and, most importantly, that Congress is at the will of the people come November and the November two years after that (and so forth). In reality, most of what Sanders wants in healthcare, in taxation, in education must be written and voted for by Congress. We can still do this, if we realize the revolution is not with a single person, or a single position, or even a single election cycle. It is, in fact, many political positions.
I have always been a Hillary supporter, but I recognize in Sanders ambitions that will take a longer road than a single election cycle. I am sure this is where Sanders supporters would disagree. However, I think we can both agree that Congress is necessary to make this change and that this also needs to be protected by the careful selection of Supreme Court judges.
I hope this will be kept in mind, when going to the ballot this year and every year. So please vote.
I have always been a Hillary supporter, but I recognize in Sanders ambitions that will take a longer road than a single election cycle. I am sure this is where Sanders supporters would disagree. However, I think we can both agree that Congress is necessary to make this change and that this also needs to be protected by the careful selection of Supreme Court judges.
I hope this will be kept in mind, when going to the ballot this year and every year. So please vote.
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Pretty bad night for America, but a good one for Wall Street, Neo-Cons, and bigots. I wish we had more like him. Bernie is before his time and we are just catching up to him. There are no do overs or next election for him. I fear we will miss our greatest opportunity to help ourselves
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What do you call a Sanders progressive that won't vote for HRC should she win the Dem nomination?
You call them a Trump supporter.
You call them a Trump supporter.
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The questions for our extremely liberal, no-one-else-is-good enough Senator Sanders are these:
1. Will Sanders remain in the Democratic Party after Hillary wins the nomination?
2. Will Sanders end his very very nasty campaign against Hillary and call on his supporters to support Hillary?
After all, the Democratic Party already has the most progressive agenda in the nation and, the ONLY revolution possible in this democracy, at this time, is the election of the first progressive female president in the 240-year history of the nation.
1. Will Sanders remain in the Democratic Party after Hillary wins the nomination?
2. Will Sanders end his very very nasty campaign against Hillary and call on his supporters to support Hillary?
After all, the Democratic Party already has the most progressive agenda in the nation and, the ONLY revolution possible in this democracy, at this time, is the election of the first progressive female president in the 240-year history of the nation.
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Again... It's about winning delegates, NOT states - as your headlines imply.
Women for Bernie Sanders 2016 shared -- Democratic Presidential Primary 2.0. It runs from March 16 through June 7. It includes none of the "Old South" states, because they all will have already voted. It includes all of the Pacific states, and all of the "Mountain" states except Colorado and Nevada (which already voted). The biggest prizes are California (545 delegates), New York (291) and Pennsylvania (210).
Democratic presidential primary 2.0 elects a total of 2033 pledged delegates. If Bernie Sanders wins those races (and delegates) by the same 60-40 margin that he has amassed in primaries and caucuses outside the "Old South" to date, then that will give him an advantage of 407 pledged delegates. That is more -- far more -- than the current Clinton margin of 223.
Almost 700 pledged delegates are chosen on June 7 alone. It seems unlikely that either candidate will accumulate a margin of 700 pledged delegates before then. So this one may come down to the wire.' Buckle up. We have work to do.
IL - Hillary 50.3% vs Bernie 48.8% ... Bernie & Hillary will split almost at even # of delegates in IL. Thank you Missouri.
Democratic presidential primary 2.0 elects a total of 2033 pledged delegates. If Bernie Sanders wins those races (and delegates) by the same 60-40 margin that he has amassed in primaries and caucuses outside the "Old South" to date, then that will give him an advantage of 407 pledged delegates. That is more -- far more -- than the current Clinton margin of 223.
Almost 700 pledged delegates are chosen on June 7 alone. It seems unlikely that either candidate will accumulate a margin of 700 pledged delegates before then. So this one may come down to the wire.' Buckle up. We have work to do.
IL - Hillary 50.3% vs Bernie 48.8% ... Bernie & Hillary will split almost at even # of delegates in IL. Thank you Missouri.
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Sanders and his "sour grapes" is really getting on my nerves. He really needs to look at the big picture which is that Trump is probably going to end up being the Republican nominee. He should bow out gracefully, and support Clinton.
I am so tired of his Revolution.
Maybe he needs to time travel back to France circa 1788.
I am so tired of his Revolution.
Maybe he needs to time travel back to France circa 1788.
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All the rants of each extreme reveal a deeply empty understanding of how our government actually works. It's why Trump and Sanders though appearing polar opposites present preposterous (and dangerous) populist polemics that are equally meaningless in the face of facts: Sanders is going to bring down Wall Street; Trump will, "Sit down and in a couple of hours work the stuff out with the senators and get those big companies to pay their taxes while cutting those of the middle class (.i.e., anyone in his audience at the time)."
The most dangerous thing for the future of this glorious experiment is those who do not vote for Hillary because they resent Bernie's lost. If so; their anger, like Mr. Sanders, is anchored in a blind bitterness that will punish us, them, and this Land of Liberty, by electing a fool. A pretend tyrant. Because our system is within his reach but beyond his grasp I'm not fleeing to Canada: the system will protect itself. Even if our luster in the world is tarnished. Which it has been by 43 and the rise of madness in the Muslim World. A religion born of violence and fanaticism: it's time we recognize that truth. And the fact that it is hubris to believe we can clean the planet, but it is madness to put down the broom of mutual effort. NO REPUBLICAN CARES ABOUT CUTTING DOWN ON COAL! Wake up kids!
To not vote for Hillary if you followed Bernie, to not vote for her out of some kind of spite is cutting off the Country's nose and defacing it.
The most dangerous thing for the future of this glorious experiment is those who do not vote for Hillary because they resent Bernie's lost. If so; their anger, like Mr. Sanders, is anchored in a blind bitterness that will punish us, them, and this Land of Liberty, by electing a fool. A pretend tyrant. Because our system is within his reach but beyond his grasp I'm not fleeing to Canada: the system will protect itself. Even if our luster in the world is tarnished. Which it has been by 43 and the rise of madness in the Muslim World. A religion born of violence and fanaticism: it's time we recognize that truth. And the fact that it is hubris to believe we can clean the planet, but it is madness to put down the broom of mutual effort. NO REPUBLICAN CARES ABOUT CUTTING DOWN ON COAL! Wake up kids!
To not vote for Hillary if you followed Bernie, to not vote for her out of some kind of spite is cutting off the Country's nose and defacing it.
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Hillary will be a good president for the system we have and Bernie will be the right president for the system we NEED. He is the only chance people have. Do you care about your and your children's life? Then vote for Bernie because only he can be trusted to help overcome the perils of Climate Change. Do you care about restoring democracy from the clutches of Big Money. Then vote for Bernie. Hillary will continue the broken system we have. Bernie does have real plan for fixing the system.
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To the Conservative South that will vote for any Republican in the fall:
Thanks for nothing. Polling shows that many sealed their support for Hillary long ago regardless of who ran, what the issues were and her responses to them.
That means low information voters in states that will vote Republican in the fall essentially condemned the rest of us to Hillary Clinton before one vote was cast. The warning of Dr Michelle Alexander and others went unheeded.
Ms Alexander also said that essentially she thought the Democratic Party was beyond redemption. Sadly, I think she is right.
Thanks for nothing. Polling shows that many sealed their support for Hillary long ago regardless of who ran, what the issues were and her responses to them.
That means low information voters in states that will vote Republican in the fall essentially condemned the rest of us to Hillary Clinton before one vote was cast. The warning of Dr Michelle Alexander and others went unheeded.
Ms Alexander also said that essentially she thought the Democratic Party was beyond redemption. Sadly, I think she is right.
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Very sour grapes.
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The constituencies responsible for Clinton's lopsided wins in the South- African Americans, Hispanics, and those you dismiss as "low information voters"- actually exist in other states we will win in the fall. It's called the "Obama coalition," and with it, Democrats won the White House in the last two elections.
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Giving Hillary -- rather than Trump or Kasich -- the right to nominate Supreme Court Justices for 4 or 8 years may well be reason enough to vote for her. But if so, that's the ONLY reason I can see. Other than that, the Democrats would probably fare better to throw in the towel on this one, counting on the Republicans to screw things up so badly that voters will be begging the Democratic Party to step in 4 years from now.
Too bad Sanders won't set aside his ego & accept VP.
I am sad not only for Sanders but for the country. Not only will we be denied truly progressive policies like medicare for all, we are closer to losing the election in November. Despite the myth of her electability, Clinton does not show well against Republicans. She beats Trump only by a small margin in national polls, and Cruz wins against her.
These polls were the most compelling reason I voted for Sanders.
I will vote for Clinton in the election and hope she wins. I also hope that Sanders' large minority will compel a more progressive platform.
These polls were the most compelling reason I voted for Sanders.
I will vote for Clinton in the election and hope she wins. I also hope that Sanders' large minority will compel a more progressive platform.
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Hillary Clinton is the clear winner of tonight and has one foot secured in the nomination. A few Bernie Sanders supporters are bemoaning the fact that the DNC has sold itself out and there is no authentic candidate other than Bernie.
Maybe it is true, but if people are that serious about political change, their hopes should not hinge on a miracle candidate. You take what you get, and for the Democrats, and I hope for the USA, hillary clinton IS the best of the lot, according to a lot of voters. The world is watching, and here in India, we are horror struck by the Trump rhetoric and the Republicans demagougery. The time for a political revolution does not necessarily have to be today and on ones own terms. Bernie has laid a good groundwork, it is upto the people to get inspired, elect hillary and continue to work towards the ideals they espouse for their country. That would be a politically practical and wise thing to do
Maybe it is true, but if people are that serious about political change, their hopes should not hinge on a miracle candidate. You take what you get, and for the Democrats, and I hope for the USA, hillary clinton IS the best of the lot, according to a lot of voters. The world is watching, and here in India, we are horror struck by the Trump rhetoric and the Republicans demagougery. The time for a political revolution does not necessarily have to be today and on ones own terms. Bernie has laid a good groundwork, it is upto the people to get inspired, elect hillary and continue to work towards the ideals they espouse for their country. That would be a politically practical and wise thing to do
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I hope Bernie stays in (and for that matter, Cruz as well) but the election will be fought between Clinton and Trump. Conservatives have done a real hatchet job on Hillary and people who should know better, believe a lot of it. Things like email and Benghazi have no bearing on unemployment, union busting, education, minimum wage, etc. Hillary is not Bernie, but she is also not going to prison nor is there any smoking gun. That's talk radio, talking. Nonsense.
Hopefully, Bernie will play a big role in the future. But he's no FDR (who got elected because he was one of the super-wealthy class and after becoming president, he turned on them) nor is Bernie much like JFK, the last Democrat to become president without winning Ohio.
Hopefully, Bernie will play a big role in the future. But he's no FDR (who got elected because he was one of the super-wealthy class and after becoming president, he turned on them) nor is Bernie much like JFK, the last Democrat to become president without winning Ohio.
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Huh?
"Clinton seems unlikely to win against Trump in this political climate. She's winning in red states predominantly which won't help in the general election ..."
Ohio and Florida are "red states?" Hillary won big in both of them. Nor do I agree that she's "unlikely to win against Trump." I think Hillary would beat Trump, fairly easily. She'd lose to Kasich, almost for sure, but she'd probably beat Trump. Maybe not -- lots of time between now and Election Day -- but I have utterly no doubt that Hillary would rather take her chances against Trump rather than against Kasich.
What I don't know, though, is whether the Republicans are going to give her that chance. They may just stick with Trump.
"Clinton seems unlikely to win against Trump in this political climate. She's winning in red states predominantly which won't help in the general election ..."
Ohio and Florida are "red states?" Hillary won big in both of them. Nor do I agree that she's "unlikely to win against Trump." I think Hillary would beat Trump, fairly easily. She'd lose to Kasich, almost for sure, but she'd probably beat Trump. Maybe not -- lots of time between now and Election Day -- but I have utterly no doubt that Hillary would rather take her chances against Trump rather than against Kasich.
What I don't know, though, is whether the Republicans are going to give her that chance. They may just stick with Trump.
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Wow! It looks like it might be a 5 for 5 sweep and it is sweet!
I wonder what it feels like to start a "revolution" as no one shows up...
I wonder what it feels like to start a "revolution" as no one shows up...
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"But, for certain,
He cannot buckle his distempered cause
Within the belt of rule.
Now does he feel his title
Hang loose about him, like a giant’s robe
Upon a dwarfish thief."
Shakespeare, Macbeth
(ok, it's a little mean, but really? "Now we just have to win some major showdowns, like in New York and New Jersey, to raise questions about whether she can really win the presidency.” Really? That's what we "need?" When does the elder statesman's campaign start thinking about unity?)
He cannot buckle his distempered cause
Within the belt of rule.
Now does he feel his title
Hang loose about him, like a giant’s robe
Upon a dwarfish thief."
Shakespeare, Macbeth
(ok, it's a little mean, but really? "Now we just have to win some major showdowns, like in New York and New Jersey, to raise questions about whether she can really win the presidency.” Really? That's what we "need?" When does the elder statesman's campaign start thinking about unity?)
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congratulations, Hillary, on completely crushing all of my hope for a better and brighter future. you win. I lose. I hope your happy.
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Agree completely with you.
Although I think he is an opportunist who became a Democrat just in time for the primaries because he was going nowhere as an independent, I should thank Bernie Sanders for one thing: he forced Hillary Clinton to fight for her nomination, which hopefully was good practice for her when it comes to winning the general election.
Go Hillary, go! I look forward to proudly calling you President of my country.
Go Hillary, go! I look forward to proudly calling you President of my country.
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Wow! Very well said, especially you looking forward and proudly calling her the President of your country.
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The Democratic primaries have been mystifying. Clinton and Sanders are very different Democrats and once you understand their agendas, you make a choice for one or the other. They're too different to waver back and forth. Yet the primary results have done just that -- first Clinton makes a strong showing, then Sanders and then back to Clinton again. Each state is different, of course, but the Democrats in Michigan and Ohio are more similar than different. The candidates target specific areas within the states as if a single visit will carry the day. The primaries seem like a bunch of local contests entirely different from a national election. The candidates seem to be running for local office everywhere they run. But most voters vote the big questions, not whether a candidate visits their hometown. The campaigning seems out of touch with the electorate and the results each week are so inconsistent that the whole process is a mystery. Perhaps if it had snowed in Columbus, the results would have been entirely different. But I confess, I don't much understand how we are selecting our candidates for President.
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The Clinton wins might have significantly slowed Bernie Sanders momentum but it has apparently only ratcheted up the petulant and classless comments from his more crude, Trump-like supporters. How is this vulgar crassness supposed to reflect on candidate Sanders? It's only galvanizing more support for Mrs. Clinton.
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There is no specificity in your arguments - nobody can respond to generalizations.
I agree. I favor Clinton, but also admire Sanders. His supporters, however, really turn me off. Why do they feel the need to stomp on Clinton? Saying "I'll hold my nose and vote for Clinton" is not exactly taking the high ground.
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It's amusing to read all the comments from Hillary supporters complaining that Bernie has "overstayed his welcome." I felt exactly the same way about Hillary in 2008, when she stayed in the race for months after it was absolutely indisputable that she was going to lose. She bad-mouthed Obama that entire time, and it might have cost him the election if McCain hadn't been an exceptionally weak opponent.
Hillary's getting a taste of her own medicine this time.
Hillary's getting a taste of her own medicine this time.
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2016 is turning into the year of the lowest quality candidates for President in my lifetime. As a result, for the first time in my life I do not plan to vote for president in November. I now wonder if the repulsion is just my own, or if this will turn into a very low turnout election. Were the Supreme Court not in play, I could not think of any reason to vote at all. Unless my state turns into a swing state, I don't want to spend the rest of my life regretting that I ever had no choice but to cast a vote for Hillary Clinton. If life has been difficult for President Obama, it will look like a picnic compared to Congress sparring with his successor.
p.s. Bernie Sanders is still the only honest person in the mix.
p.s. Bernie Sanders is still the only honest person in the mix.
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What did the Valley Girls used to say? "Gag me with a spoon."
I may ask for that if I read a comment like this one even one more time:
"I've been a life long Democrat, but i will no longer support the corporate Democratic Party which it has become and I will not vote for Hillary Clinton..."
EVERY election, voters say this. But they don't follow through. Some Clinton campaign worker will knock on the doors of voters like you all over the US, with this message: "If you don't get out and vote for Hillary, that will be like voting for the Republican." And the vast majority of those voters -- maybe you'll be different, but the vast majority of voters -- will scratch their chin and then say and do what such voters do every time: "Gosh, I guess that's right, isn't it?" And then they'll head on over to their local polling place and pull the lever for Hillary Clinton. It happens every time, and it will happen this time too.
That's why I say "Gag me with a spoon!" when i read comments like this one.
I may ask for that if I read a comment like this one even one more time:
"I've been a life long Democrat, but i will no longer support the corporate Democratic Party which it has become and I will not vote for Hillary Clinton..."
EVERY election, voters say this. But they don't follow through. Some Clinton campaign worker will knock on the doors of voters like you all over the US, with this message: "If you don't get out and vote for Hillary, that will be like voting for the Republican." And the vast majority of those voters -- maybe you'll be different, but the vast majority of voters -- will scratch their chin and then say and do what such voters do every time: "Gosh, I guess that's right, isn't it?" And then they'll head on over to their local polling place and pull the lever for Hillary Clinton. It happens every time, and it will happen this time too.
That's why I say "Gag me with a spoon!" when i read comments like this one.
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And the Supreme Court argument comes up. Again. And again...
For some voters, that is the only reason they give for supporting Mrs. Clinton.
The supreme court issue is a straw man.
Most (75%) of their decisions are unanimous.
100% of Senate democrats confirmed Scalia.
And aside from the court, what are we to expect from Clinton's choices to run The Fed? The Commerce Department? The FDA? The Treasury Department? The SEC? EPA? The Education Department?
These appointments have a greater influence on our day-to-day life than the Supreme Court does.
And when you tell me that we must only consider the court, I recall Mrs. Clinton's own words: "I am not a single-issue candidate and I do not believe we live in a single-issue country."
So kindly reconsider using this single issue as a conversation-stopper.
Under scrutiny, it fails.
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For some voters, that is the only reason they give for supporting Mrs. Clinton.
The supreme court issue is a straw man.
Most (75%) of their decisions are unanimous.
100% of Senate democrats confirmed Scalia.
And aside from the court, what are we to expect from Clinton's choices to run The Fed? The Commerce Department? The FDA? The Treasury Department? The SEC? EPA? The Education Department?
These appointments have a greater influence on our day-to-day life than the Supreme Court does.
And when you tell me that we must only consider the court, I recall Mrs. Clinton's own words: "I am not a single-issue candidate and I do not believe we live in a single-issue country."
So kindly reconsider using this single issue as a conversation-stopper.
Under scrutiny, it fails.
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"The Fed? The Commerce Department? The FDA? The Treasury Department? The SEC? EPA? The Education Department?
These appointments have a greater influence on our day-to-day life than the Supreme Court does." . . .
Women of all parties might feel differently about that.
These appointments have a greater influence on our day-to-day life than the Supreme Court does." . . .
Women of all parties might feel differently about that.
If your concern is reproductive rights then listen to Hillary Clinton:
Abortion is “a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women. There is no reason why government cannot do more to educate and inform and provide assistance so that the choice guaranteed under our constitution either does not ever have to be exercised or only in very rare circumstances.”
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Abortion should be “safe, legal and rare, and by rare I mean rare.”
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“I for one respect those who believe with all their heart and conscience that there are no circumstances under which abortion should be available.”
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And then this exchange with a "pro-lifer":
“I know you’re pro-choice, but you have indicated that you would like to reduce the number of abortions. Could you see yourself, with millions of voters in a pro-life camp, creating a common ground, with the goal ultimately in mind of reducing the decisions for abortion to zero?”
Hillary Clinton nodded, telling attendees of the nationally televised event: “Yes, yes.”
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Ignore the hype. Look at the choices.
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Abortion is “a sad, even tragic choice to many, many women. There is no reason why government cannot do more to educate and inform and provide assistance so that the choice guaranteed under our constitution either does not ever have to be exercised or only in very rare circumstances.”
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Abortion should be “safe, legal and rare, and by rare I mean rare.”
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“I for one respect those who believe with all their heart and conscience that there are no circumstances under which abortion should be available.”
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And then this exchange with a "pro-lifer":
“I know you’re pro-choice, but you have indicated that you would like to reduce the number of abortions. Could you see yourself, with millions of voters in a pro-life camp, creating a common ground, with the goal ultimately in mind of reducing the decisions for abortion to zero?”
Hillary Clinton nodded, telling attendees of the nationally televised event: “Yes, yes.”
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Ignore the hype. Look at the choices.
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"Party unity would demand a Hillary/Bernie ticket and that would be invincible."
A little bird just happened to fly by my window, and chirped:
"There will not -- repeat, will not -- be a Hillary/Bernie ticket."
But, then, what does a little chirping bird know about US politics?
A little bird just happened to fly by my window, and chirped:
"There will not -- repeat, will not -- be a Hillary/Bernie ticket."
But, then, what does a little chirping bird know about US politics?
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Nobody can force Bernie to stop campaigning, but i think he should consider doing so after the clean sweep of Hillary Clinton tonight. It doesn't make sense to keep bleeding resources into a primary that is almost decided. Bernie needs to win the remaining states by more than 65% in order to even tie Clinton.
I say it doesn't make sense, because is every time more clear that Trump is going to be the nominee on the Republicans side. It would be reprehensible if Democrats dont prepare and apply to their duties against such a calamity as the prospect of Trump becoming the President.
I mean, this is quite serious. People use to dismiss Hitler and Mussolini in their home countries until they took power. Once they were there, they used the power of their offices to expand control of the country and eliminte anybody that didnt agree with them.
Donald Trump has said he will attack anybody that attacks him. Many people think those are empty threats. You better dont yourself. Trump means what he says. If you underestimate him or think he is funny guy, think twice about it. We can be in 10 years asking how we allowed this disaster to happen.
I say it doesn't make sense, because is every time more clear that Trump is going to be the nominee on the Republicans side. It would be reprehensible if Democrats dont prepare and apply to their duties against such a calamity as the prospect of Trump becoming the President.
I mean, this is quite serious. People use to dismiss Hitler and Mussolini in their home countries until they took power. Once they were there, they used the power of their offices to expand control of the country and eliminte anybody that didnt agree with them.
Donald Trump has said he will attack anybody that attacks him. Many people think those are empty threats. You better dont yourself. Trump means what he says. If you underestimate him or think he is funny guy, think twice about it. We can be in 10 years asking how we allowed this disaster to happen.
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Problem is, Trump might pivot center, and Hillary might pivot right; both have
huge untrustworthy ratings. Voters are strange to have accepted these candidates so far! How easily a lot of them are manipulated. Hillary has a list of negatives in her record, as a reader here has clearly outlined.
huge untrustworthy ratings. Voters are strange to have accepted these candidates so far! How easily a lot of them are manipulated. Hillary has a list of negatives in her record, as a reader here has clearly outlined.
After all the campaign promises are over, what would a Clinton presidency look like. Let's see what she's done in the past. Put $100+ million in her pocket from finance, private prisons, oil and gas, pharmaceutical, health insurance etc corporations and lobbyists. Support for the deregulation of Wall Street, mass incarceration, welfare reductions; fracking and pipelines. Against gay marriage until 2013. Iraq, Libya. Unaccounted millions to the family foundation from repressive Middle Eastern regimes, with terrible records for women. Clinton made the decisions leading to 5 separate federal investigations (by Obama's administration), about national security, conflict of interest, and the unaccounted foreign millions.
These are not smears or right-wing conspiracies; just search the NYT, and you'll find articles supporting all of this. These are her choices and her priorities.
It's hard to believe that this is the Presidency that Democrats want.
These are not smears or right-wing conspiracies; just search the NYT, and you'll find articles supporting all of this. These are her choices and her priorities.
It's hard to believe that this is the Presidency that Democrats want.
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But those voters who most overwhelmingly support Hillary don't read the NYT. At least the low-information voters supporting Trump are voting their economic interests. I also note that those in the military support Trump and Sanders because they are the one percent of citizens who actually bear the burden of combat. One can only imagine the splendid little wars that Mrs. Clinton will get us into.
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Tired of the Seinfeld re-runs on primary night I seek out the Comments for the immense jocularity of pro-Bernie posters, lashing out at NYT bias, lambasting furious at Nate Cohn even though he's doing simple mathematics...Alas, tonight, little humor, the reality is sinking in and Bernie is really out.
Politically, I share and go beyond Bernie politically but his assaults on Hillary are excessive and not justified - there is an element of sexism I do not like, implicating Hillary with NAFTA which was the administration of BILL Clinton, implicating Hillary in the closure of 60,000 factories, assaulting her on single provider when it was Hillary who advocated for this when first lady and also when campaigning against Obama.
Nevertheless, he has done, he is doing an immense service - Hillary's collusion, the profiteering relationship with criminal Wall Street is dented and I hope ended.
Her uncritical embrace of Kissinger - despite the Cambodian genocide, the Pinochet dictatorship - thanks, Bernie for reminding us, these crimes should never be forgotten.
Now, let's hope Sanders continues his great mobilization, offers legitimate critique, and when the campaigning is over works as vigorously as he is now to install a radical, progressive administration January 2017.
Politically, I share and go beyond Bernie politically but his assaults on Hillary are excessive and not justified - there is an element of sexism I do not like, implicating Hillary with NAFTA which was the administration of BILL Clinton, implicating Hillary in the closure of 60,000 factories, assaulting her on single provider when it was Hillary who advocated for this when first lady and also when campaigning against Obama.
Nevertheless, he has done, he is doing an immense service - Hillary's collusion, the profiteering relationship with criminal Wall Street is dented and I hope ended.
Her uncritical embrace of Kissinger - despite the Cambodian genocide, the Pinochet dictatorship - thanks, Bernie for reminding us, these crimes should never be forgotten.
Now, let's hope Sanders continues his great mobilization, offers legitimate critique, and when the campaigning is over works as vigorously as he is now to install a radical, progressive administration January 2017.
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Five states. Can you not count or what? She also won Missouri, albeit barely. 5 states for Clinton, NONE for Sanders. It's over.
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Time for Sanders to do the decent thing which you at least have to give credit to Rubio for doing. He has no chance of winning the nomination so why is the Democratic party (because at the end of the day that is who we're talking about) being forced to waste resources that will be required taking on the real enemy.
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I find myself very sad this morning. I'm sad about last night's results.
But mostly I'm sad for the future of our young people. In Sanders, they had a candidate they could believe in. A candidate who didn't do some version of "who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?"
With Clinton, we're pretty much assured of business as usual. Of trade agreements that result in more job losses, combined with pontificating about "overall benefits."
Of more wars. More flat wages for millions. More hollowing out of the middle class.
I'm sad for all of us.
But mostly I'm sad for the future of our young people. In Sanders, they had a candidate they could believe in. A candidate who didn't do some version of "who are you going to believe, me or your own lying eyes?"
With Clinton, we're pretty much assured of business as usual. Of trade agreements that result in more job losses, combined with pontificating about "overall benefits."
Of more wars. More flat wages for millions. More hollowing out of the middle class.
I'm sad for all of us.
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While I understand your mourning over last night's results, I am encouraged.
Bernie has provided a voice that has resonated with the younger generation. I am sure there will be many of his supporters who will get active in the political process. Some will become leaders. One or more will hopefully become president.
Ironically, this older statesman has inspired a new generation. That's very positive for the future of our country and the democratic party. His supporters have already had a strong impact on changing the course of the party by moving Hillary to the left. Only their continued influence will ensure progress.
My sincere hope is that these inspired supporters will now see the danger at hand and get behind Hillary as their second step toward a progressive revolution.
Bernie has provided a voice that has resonated with the younger generation. I am sure there will be many of his supporters who will get active in the political process. Some will become leaders. One or more will hopefully become president.
Ironically, this older statesman has inspired a new generation. That's very positive for the future of our country and the democratic party. His supporters have already had a strong impact on changing the course of the party by moving Hillary to the left. Only their continued influence will ensure progress.
My sincere hope is that these inspired supporters will now see the danger at hand and get behind Hillary as their second step toward a progressive revolution.
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Siobhan - Stay involved. Don’t let your dreams hang on one candidate; let political action be part of the fabric of your lives. I too am concerned about jobs, and just so you know, it’s harder when you get a little older, when you start to hear over-qualified, cost too much, etc. Age discrimination begins at 40, legally. So it’s important you stay invested and fight for your causes. I support Clinton but not without watching her and being ready to bear pressure, if I can.
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I'm with ya John. She will do absolutely nothing for those of us stuck in the middle happy to be employed but with stagnant wages being earned and watching life pass us by. How anyone in their right mind believe what this woman has to say is beyond me. You want to know the character of a real candidate? Look to see who donates to their campaign. Yes business as usual another 4 years of Obama and HIS empty promises of reform.
Needless to say I am very pleased with the outcome, being a long time Clinton supporter. I truly expected Sanders to win Ohio and possibly Illinois.
That said prior to Clinton's success yesterday I was growing increasingly comfortable with the fact that the Sanders message was a good one, clearly so since Clinton has picked up so much of it. That said I still think she is the more effective, the more well-rounded candidate.
Nothing is certain at this point but I am grateful I am a Democrat with two good candidates instead of a Republican with none. I think it's going to be a real tough summer and fall, particularly if Trump is the nominee. You think you've seen ugly?
You ain't seen nothing yet. I just wonder how he's going to react when people press him for details and he can no longer coast on slurs, vitriol, and bombast against his peers.
These are scary times indeed. Get ready for certainly the most pivotal election of my lifetime.
That said prior to Clinton's success yesterday I was growing increasingly comfortable with the fact that the Sanders message was a good one, clearly so since Clinton has picked up so much of it. That said I still think she is the more effective, the more well-rounded candidate.
Nothing is certain at this point but I am grateful I am a Democrat with two good candidates instead of a Republican with none. I think it's going to be a real tough summer and fall, particularly if Trump is the nominee. You think you've seen ugly?
You ain't seen nothing yet. I just wonder how he's going to react when people press him for details and he can no longer coast on slurs, vitriol, and bombast against his peers.
These are scary times indeed. Get ready for certainly the most pivotal election of my lifetime.
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And just yesterday another empty talking head on the national news had the perfect opportunity to nail Her on the record and let it pass by. When asked her accomplishments and her promises of jobs she answered..."I have a great record of creating jobs" and the talking head let it sit there instead of asking What jobs might that be? Goes to show you 4 years as a journalism major means nothing.
Sanders is the man for the job not the poster child for corporate greed and avarice on her part.
So sad that no one sees who she really is.
Sanders is the man for the job not the poster child for corporate greed and avarice on her part.
So sad that no one sees who she really is.
I am very proud to support Bernie Sanders and his campaign.
In just 10 months, Sanders has become a national phenomenon, and rightly so. He is the sole presidential candidate who shows genuine concern for working American families and has consistently shown himself to be a person of high integrity and intellect.
I look forward to voting for Bernie in my state primary and it is wonderful to know that millions of Americans have stood up for him. While his chances at capturing the Democratic nomination are doubtful, Bernie has exerted a powerful influence on this race, reminding Americans that we can change government and our fortunes if we exert the necessary political will.
In just 10 months, Sanders has become a national phenomenon, and rightly so. He is the sole presidential candidate who shows genuine concern for working American families and has consistently shown himself to be a person of high integrity and intellect.
I look forward to voting for Bernie in my state primary and it is wonderful to know that millions of Americans have stood up for him. While his chances at capturing the Democratic nomination are doubtful, Bernie has exerted a powerful influence on this race, reminding Americans that we can change government and our fortunes if we exert the necessary political will.
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Agreed. Sanders exposed the entrenched hold big business and special interests have on American politics, on both parties. As someone said a few years ago, the Republican and Democrat Party are wolves and wolves in sheep clothing. I hope Sanders make it to November so we have two independents to choose from.
The way to promote Bernie's ideas is to make sure the Senate gets flipped and that the GOP lock of state legislatures is broken.
Evil GOp governors like those in NJ, MI, and now IL are sabotaging their cities to score cheap political points.
Evil GOp governors like those in NJ, MI, and now IL are sabotaging their cities to score cheap political points.
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Right on.
Bernie Sanders ideas are admirable, but his plans are destined to fail given that he would have to do an awful lot of wheeling and dealing in an obstructionist, anti-government, anti-democrat, GOP dominated Congress. I mean the speaker, majority leader, and majority whip are Republican and they hold about 60 more seats then the Democrats in the House of Reps, not to mention the majority Republican Senate, which also has a Republican president pro tempore, majority leader, and majority whip. This is the Congress that Sanders would have to negotiate with to make pretty much his entire agenda a reality until at least the midterms in 2018.
We cannot afford to be emotional about the future of our country. Sanders is also irresponsibly calling for a revolution, when that is not what he is actually offering. Revolution is defined the overthrow of the government or established political system, suddenly, and usually with violence. Revolutionaries don't run a campaign to become a leader of the established political system. What Clinton is offering is not as exciting, but her agenda is based on the reality of working within the confines of the political system by which our nation is governed.
We cannot afford to be emotional about the future of our country. Sanders is also irresponsibly calling for a revolution, when that is not what he is actually offering. Revolution is defined the overthrow of the government or established political system, suddenly, and usually with violence. Revolutionaries don't run a campaign to become a leader of the established political system. What Clinton is offering is not as exciting, but her agenda is based on the reality of working within the confines of the political system by which our nation is governed.
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Then LET him try. Let him struggle and block and obstruct and do all he can. Maybe he cannot get his reforms through, but at the same time he can veto toxic bills, laws, and deals that will almost assurredly come into existence in the future.
Things Hillary will, ultimately, let through.
Things Hillary will, ultimately, let through.
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Seriously? You think that the Republicans are going to cozy up to Hillary? Obama thought the same thing, and in throwing them a bone, gave up the chance to have single-payer health care for all Americans. If anything, they'll be harder on her than they ever were on Obama. That's reality.
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I guess you were asleep when the transforming non violent revolutions took place in East Europe and former republics of the USSR. Read some poetry to understand SIMILE and ALLEGORY. Should HRC win (and I wouldn't count my chicks before they're hatched as HRC has a lot of work to do to convince Independents to vote for her), what makes you think that the GOP will suddenly decide to work with a Democratic POTUS? Her "agenda" is based on whatever sticks to the wall when she is hard pressed (have you not paid attention to the campaign at all?) or to use triangulation like her husband. Finally, the "confines" of the US political system need "blown up" (simile in case you missed it) as our nation is not being governed at the moment.
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I am a Bernie supporter and have been since the start of his campaign. We live close to the Vermont border and visit often and have watched the transformation of Burlington, Vermont into one the most livable cities in America since he became mayor. The legacy he left still continues. The thing most people don't know about him is that he'd work with anyone, from any party to push his progressive agenda through.
My disappointment in tonight's results, however, would never move me to vote for an Independent candidate and put a Republican candidate in the White House. Bernie will never run as an Independent. It shocks me that any Bernie supporter would abandon one of his most important goals, getting money out of politics, by allowing a Republican to win the presidency to give the GOP control of the Supreme Court for another generation. Citizens United will never be overturned.
His revolution is also about getting every American out to vote in every election. That's the only way we can transform this country into a progressive democracy.
Besides, this election "ain't over 'til it's over." Stick with him. He'll win more states. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. But if it doesn't go our way, we simply cannot allow Republicans to win the presidency and retain control of the Senate. We just can't. Don't ever think Bernie would want that. Anyone who thinks he would doesn't recognize the depth of his character and the breadth of his honor. If Hillary wins, he'll support her.
My disappointment in tonight's results, however, would never move me to vote for an Independent candidate and put a Republican candidate in the White House. Bernie will never run as an Independent. It shocks me that any Bernie supporter would abandon one of his most important goals, getting money out of politics, by allowing a Republican to win the presidency to give the GOP control of the Supreme Court for another generation. Citizens United will never be overturned.
His revolution is also about getting every American out to vote in every election. That's the only way we can transform this country into a progressive democracy.
Besides, this election "ain't over 'til it's over." Stick with him. He'll win more states. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. But if it doesn't go our way, we simply cannot allow Republicans to win the presidency and retain control of the Senate. We just can't. Don't ever think Bernie would want that. Anyone who thinks he would doesn't recognize the depth of his character and the breadth of his honor. If Hillary wins, he'll support her.
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Yep, see this: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rep-alan-grayson/democratic-presidential-p...
Sanders claims he is not doing it for himself, but for us. I mostly believe him. He refused to attack Clinton today even though he was given an opportunity too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/all-three-networks-ignored-bernie-sa...
Sanders claims he is not doing it for himself, but for us. I mostly believe him. He refused to attack Clinton today even though he was given an opportunity too.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/all-three-networks-ignored-bernie-sa...
Hrc will support overturning citizens United? That's new.
And even if she said she would, who would believe her?, those are her constituents the wealthy Citizens United.
We will not vote for any oligarch, that is our right. I will not be blackmailed or bullied by hrc supporters into doing so or by someone supposedly speaking for B.
And even if she said she would, who would believe her?, those are her constituents the wealthy Citizens United.
We will not vote for any oligarch, that is our right. I will not be blackmailed or bullied by hrc supporters into doing so or by someone supposedly speaking for B.
Thank you--one of the most gracious responses this evening.
Bernie 2016
Bernie 2016
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Poor Bernie. Poor U.S.A. Poor Americans.
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"The top issue for Ohio Democratic primary voters was the economy, and most of them favored Mrs. Clinton. A majority of voters also said that trade with other nations takes away American jobs, and more than half of them supported Mrs. Clinton. In Michigan, Mr. Sanders captured this group by double digits."
So if Hillary was for NAFTA and TPP; and Michigan went for Bernie, what made Ohio go for Hillary? (Illinois and Missouri results better fit that profile.)
So if Hillary was for NAFTA and TPP; and Michigan went for Bernie, what made Ohio go for Hillary? (Illinois and Missouri results better fit that profile.)
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Just a guess, but she was for the auto company bailout the Bernie was against it and a good part of Ohio's job growth was in the auto industry.
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I must give the Sanders' propoganda machine high marks for spreading the disinformation and about NAFTA and the TPP - she has come out against the TPP, saying that she was for it in its early stages and then after she saw the final treaty and was against it. As for NAFTA, that was back in the 90's. lot of water under that bridge and again, she said, the intent and the end were results were not as compatible. How about those states went for her because she has come up with actual plans to try to fix real problems? Yelling about problems and offering no solutions isn't good for the party or the country.
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I think Sanders scored Michigan because his primary endorsements are unions and Michigan has a large number of union members.
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The personal antagonism, the self destructive rancor, the false progression, this is what we always saw in the supporters of Bernie Sanders. The Senator needs to get away from the people who support him, they are a mirror image of Trump's crew. Thank you though for your candid comments. I have shared many of them to show just what you are like and why this is such a great night!
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You're a joke, man. A Hillary nomination sinks the party, even if she wins, the party sells out entirely to corporate America. Wake up.
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personal antagonism and rancor?
and you are going to equate bernie sanders with trump?
get some help and lay off the crack.
and you are going to equate bernie sanders with trump?
get some help and lay off the crack.
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There are millions of us. Your statement is ridiculous.
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It saddens me to see that so many of Bernie's supporters appear to be sore losers. I hope that will not ultimately prove to be the case with Bernie himself.
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Sore losers? A republican okay a DINO is going to win the Democratic nomination, but you are probably doing pretty well and not really worried about things like the minimum wage or healthcare. Right?
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What you got in mind, Russian airstrikes?
Course we are sore losers. Because we know the truth here. Hillary is not gonna really fight for people. That poison water will remain poisoned, more toxic legislation will get through. She may actually do some good, but it will be far from what we NEED.
Put it this way. Voting for hillary may not be a loss, but it is going to be the continuation of the unhealthy path the nation is currently on. Bernie winning would be a gain though.
Put it this way. Voting for hillary may not be a loss, but it is going to be the continuation of the unhealthy path the nation is currently on. Bernie winning would be a gain though.
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There is no harm for #sanders to keep running after losing five states to clinton. It will keep attention focused on Democrats. Otherwise everyone will focus on the demolition derby on the Republican side.
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HRC's big problem now is to stem the defection of Sanders' supporters. Will she do that by being gracious? By offering him the vice-presidency? By moving left on several of his issues? On the other hand, running against DT she will collect many moderate and worried Republicans and Independents just letting Hillary be Hillary. Fortunately this is not her first rodeo and she didn't just fall off the cabbage truck. Gotta congratulate her. She'll make a fine POTUS. The First Dude will be an extra bonus.
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No, no, no, no.
And isn't our first rodeo either especially with the Clintons .
I will never vote for HRC ever the consequences be what they may think the DNC, HRC, and the media NYT etc. for the consequences.
And isn't our first rodeo either especially with the Clintons .
I will never vote for HRC ever the consequences be what they may think the DNC, HRC, and the media NYT etc. for the consequences.
I agree with your view that Hillary's task is to stem the loss of Sanders supporters. I am not sure that adding Bernie as the VP is the only way to go. It might be that some other candidate might make her more electable. Also, it might be good to have Bernie as a senator. He has never had serious Democratic support for his legislation, but this might change a lot given his higher visibility.
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I think Bernie would be a better advocate for Hillary and Democrats in Congress if he remains in Congress and uses his ideas as bills to change the Senate and problems as he sees them. It's time he introduces his ideas to the whole Senate and not just tacking on amendments here and there . Get his ideas out there. Travel to states as a senator and urge people to support them. To the best of my knowledge he has never gone to other states to campaign for Democrats in their contests. We need to take back control of the House and Senate and he could help with that. Is he a real Democrat or someone who only wants to suddenly claim he is one?
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Sen. Sanders has done a tremendous service to the Democratic Party and its chances of retaining the presidency by continuing to nip at Clinton's heels, and occassionaly forcing her to nip at his. He should stay in the race as long as Sec. Clinton hasn't crossed the delegate threshold and he has money. It's the independent voters who support him that will decide the general election, and his last act of service to the Democratic Party will be to convince these voters that their interests now lie with his primary opponent.
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How utterly patronizing of you.
You must really think we're stupid.
That sound you hear is a tsunami of barf coming Clinton's way, I will never vote for her.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
You must really think we're stupid.
That sound you hear is a tsunami of barf coming Clinton's way, I will never vote for her.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
Right - if people are upset that the democrats are about to nominate someone with ties to Wall Street and feel that the party is too close to the financial industry, then that's fine, but please, PLEASE, wait until after the Supreme Court has been stacked with a liberal majority before you decide to support a third party.
Cept most of them would probably not vote for her anyway. They are not 'pragmatic'. They want actual improvement, actual change.
The system as is, is not healthy for anyone, or anything, rich or poor. It is self destructive. And As many of us see it, Bernie is our chance to at least start this change.
Hillary Clinton is an agent of the status quo. Maybe she will improve somethin things, keep some of her promises. But she will not fight to change anything. She benefits far too much from the corporate dollar and the status quo.
So it is unlikely they will vote for Hillary. Because many of them see it as bad as voting for trump. So they will do nothing, because of people not looking into the history of the candidates, because of people going by 'brand recognition' when electing an official, and the media's bias has stripped them of that chance.
The system as is, is not healthy for anyone, or anything, rich or poor. It is self destructive. And As many of us see it, Bernie is our chance to at least start this change.
Hillary Clinton is an agent of the status quo. Maybe she will improve somethin things, keep some of her promises. But she will not fight to change anything. She benefits far too much from the corporate dollar and the status quo.
So it is unlikely they will vote for Hillary. Because many of them see it as bad as voting for trump. So they will do nothing, because of people not looking into the history of the candidates, because of people going by 'brand recognition' when electing an official, and the media's bias has stripped them of that chance.
It looks like Hillary may have won all five states. I am so thrilled that voters are paying attention and want plans and pragmatism. Sanders' simplistic demonizations ultimately do not resonate. If he truly cares about advancing liberal causes (as opposed to his own vanity and ego), he will bow out now and help unify the country behind Hillary. The math is against him, the story has overtaken him.
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I sometimes think Bernie Sanders wants Trump to win the Presidency so he can make his 'revolution' a reality. Think about it, a Clinton Presidency won't give him and his followers fodder for a revolution, but a Trump Presidency could incite popular unrest - many of the comments from his supporters suggest that - and this may be what he wants.
I thought Hillary was the one who's in it for her own vanity and ego. Bernie has an issue that he's passionate about - what's Hillary's issue? Over the years, time and time again, she has chosen to enrich herself rather than helping ordinary Americans. That you said since the math is now against him he should drop out is telling. You don't care about who's on the right side of issues - you just care about who's winning. Principles count. I might be idealistic but I still think politics is more than pandering and manipulating.
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This country will never be unified if we don't get the MONEY out of politics.
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Fun fact, if Hillary wins Missouri tonight, It will be her first victory in a state whose governor is neither a Republican nor the chairman of her 2008 campaign. If Bernie wins California he'll be even in pledged delegates, and the cries from the Clinton camp begging for surrender are distasteful.
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Shaky math. There are other states before Calilfornia. And California chose Bobby Kennedy over outsider Eugene McCarthy.
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This is a delusional argument. She won California when she ran against Obama! Plus do you think that she won't get a considerable share of the delegates even if Senator Sanders does win?
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Sorry, but even if Sanders wins CA, he will be behind in delegate count because of the super delegates.
The cries from Sanders' supporters are distasteful. I wish they were more like the candidate they support.
The cries from Sanders' supporters are distasteful. I wish they were more like the candidate they support.
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When it is all said and done, Sanders will come as close to being President as any socialist has ever come. In the grand scheme of things, that's quite an accomplishment and his supporters should take heart: he has undoubtedly pushed Clinton leftward and the competitiveness of his campaign has helped keep the democratic primary in the public eye at a time when the news media has been falling over themselves to cover Trump and the republican circus. In that sense he's done a great service to their interests and to the country as well. The social democratic faction of the democratic party should be proud of the achievements of the Sanders campaign and should not take Clinton's eventual nomination too hard. Stay for the long run and find a way to put your people in congress. In our democratic system a political revolution may take several years, perhaps a generation. Sometimes these things take time.
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Don't insult or patronize us.
That sound you hear is a tsunami of barf coming Clinton's way, I will never vote for her.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
It isn't over yet.
That sound you hear is a tsunami of barf coming Clinton's way, I will never vote for her.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
It isn't over yet.
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As a Bernie supporter, I will not be voting for Hillary in the general election, which is why I find the condescending tone of her supporters amusing. A Hillary nomination will easily lead to a Republican victory. Good work, Democrats.
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S,
Thank you for explaining Bernie's contribution. Without Bernie, Hillary would never have addressed income inequality, Wall Street corruption, the cost of college, and esp the trade deals.
Despite tonight's losses the Sanders campaign needs to keep pressing that agenda, accumulating delegates, in order to keep Hillary on the progressive path. At the convention after her November victory, Bernie must keep Hillary from stacking her economic team with Wall Street insiders and the foreign policy team with neo-cons. The "revolution" may take years before the country is on a truly progressive path, but Bernie still has a lot of work to do over the next year or so.
Thank you for explaining Bernie's contribution. Without Bernie, Hillary would never have addressed income inequality, Wall Street corruption, the cost of college, and esp the trade deals.
Despite tonight's losses the Sanders campaign needs to keep pressing that agenda, accumulating delegates, in order to keep Hillary on the progressive path. At the convention after her November victory, Bernie must keep Hillary from stacking her economic team with Wall Street insiders and the foreign policy team with neo-cons. The "revolution" may take years before the country is on a truly progressive path, but Bernie still has a lot of work to do over the next year or so.
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The scary thing is that a heavily tarnished establishment candidate like Hillary Clinton seems unlikely to win against Trump in this political climate. She's winning in red states predominantly which won't help in the general election and she is despised by many on both sides of the political divide. Only another anti-establishment candidate could defeat Trump who is riding a wave of anti-establishment momentum.
I sincerely hope Sanders can pull off a miraculous late victory or it looks like the horrors of a Trump presidency and conservative-stacked Supreme Court lie ahead.
I sincerely hope Sanders can pull off a miraculous late victory or it looks like the horrors of a Trump presidency and conservative-stacked Supreme Court lie ahead.
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Hillary may be heavily tarnished but she's well-positioned to take on Trump. After tonight, she's not only won in red states, unless you consider Ohio and Illinois red states. Even North Carolina and Florida trend purple. And quit talking about the establishment. The minute a candidate is elected, they become establishment. Bernie was establishment, and has been for a long time. He may carry the socialist tag, but he gets his paycheck and healthcare from the government, the same as any Senator.
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Libin'intheMidwest wrote, “The minute a candidate is elected, they become establishment.”
Sure, Bernie has been in Congress for 25 years, but he is NOT an establishment politician because he has taken on the powerful special interests during his time in office: Wall Street, corporate America (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, the military-industrial complex, the fossil fuel industry, Big Ag, and others), the corporate media, and other big money interests.
Sure, Bernie has been in Congress for 25 years, but he is NOT an establishment politician because he has taken on the powerful special interests during his time in office: Wall Street, corporate America (Big Pharma, Big Insurance, the military-industrial complex, the fossil fuel industry, Big Ag, and others), the corporate media, and other big money interests.
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Perhaps the voters will come to their senses in November and give Hillary a resounding win.
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Many Sanders supporters here are sounding like the flip side of the Tea Party, advocating ideological purity above all else and pursuing political nihilism when they don't get their way. Look at what that mentality has done for the Republican party. Sanders supporters like those expressing their views here need to pull themselves together and get with the program. Any Democrat in the White House is infinitely preferable to any Republican, let alone the regressives currently vying for the Republican nomination.
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Well said!
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And the Clinton campaign needs to give Sanders supporters a good reason to get with the program. So far, all Clinton has done is to misrepresent Sanders' positions and statements and steal his ideas,
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Absolutely correct.
Congratulations to Secretary Clinton. She has swept every state with a diverse population that represents America as a whole. Women, Black people, Hispanics, Asians, and LGBT people are speaking up, and they want someone who understands them. Someone who goes beyond a single issue.
#ImWithHer
#ImWithHer
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Laugh out loud she almost lost her own home state he's taken away almost half the votes in every state clearly she cannot win presidency, somethings wrong.
That sound you hear is a tsunami of barf coming Clinton's way, I will never vote for her.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
That sound you hear is a tsunami of barf coming Clinton's way, I will never vote for her.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
Now that Bernie Sanders has lost the fight for the nomination hopefully he with stop with the destructive attacks which have left so many of his supporters with such a black and white view of a good candidate with a strong record of supporting the middle class and poor people, the environment, Wall St regulation, etc. and who is superbly poised with her experience to be an excellent president.
Or would Bernie rather have Donald Trump pick the next couple of Supreme Court justices?
The people have spoken. Hilary Clinton is going to be the nominee and therefore the demonization of Hilary Clinton has got to stop - for the sake of all of us.
Or would Bernie rather have Donald Trump pick the next couple of Supreme Court justices?
The people have spoken. Hilary Clinton is going to be the nominee and therefore the demonization of Hilary Clinton has got to stop - for the sake of all of us.
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Wall Street regulation?
The things he speaks of are true, and people should keep that in the forefront of their mind and think twice and mabye thrice about voting for her!
A megalomaniac, egotistical, know-it-all person who is out for their own pocketbook is NOT a good choice for the presidency.
A megalomaniac, egotistical, know-it-all person who is out for their own pocketbook is NOT a good choice for the presidency.
In 2008 Hillary Clinton refused to concede the nomination to Barak Obama until June 7. On June 4, 2008 she said she wanted "...people who voted for me to be respected and heard." It is my expectation that she and her supporters will extend the same forbearance to Bernie Sanders. Given your confidence that your candidate will be the nominee seems like you can trust the process and allow the rest of us to vote.
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Ah, here we go! We aren't even through the primaries yet, and the Sanders supporters are already appreciating the wisdom of voting for Hillary:
"I am an unrepentant Bernie Sanders supporter ... I hope that Sanders supporters understand that Hillary Clinton, dor all of her flaws ... is still better than anybody that the Republicans will nominate..."
Don't worry -- you won't be alone. Many thousands, perhaps even millions, of Sanders supporters who swear they'll never vote for Hillary will vote for Hillary. Obviously you've already made that decision. Others haven't, but almost all of them will join you by Election Day.
"I am an unrepentant Bernie Sanders supporter ... I hope that Sanders supporters understand that Hillary Clinton, dor all of her flaws ... is still better than anybody that the Republicans will nominate..."
Don't worry -- you won't be alone. Many thousands, perhaps even millions, of Sanders supporters who swear they'll never vote for Hillary will vote for Hillary. Obviously you've already made that decision. Others haven't, but almost all of them will join you by Election Day.
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She is a neocon you fools. I will never vote for her.
I hope Bernie goes independent.
This country needs to be shaken up, not status quo, and that means let the chips fall where they may. You csn thank the dnc nyt and hrc dynasty for the results.
I hope Bernie goes independent.
This country needs to be shaken up, not status quo, and that means let the chips fall where they may. You csn thank the dnc nyt and hrc dynasty for the results.
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Wishful thinking!!
That sound you hear is a tsunami of barf coming Clinton's way, I will never vote for her.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
That sound you hear is a tsunami of barf coming Clinton's way, I will never vote for her.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
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That's right. The Sanders supporters have done a valuable service for Hillary... they've pulled her to the left on several issues. And, Bernie's supporters are smart enough to know that Trump represents the very antithesis of what they believe in. Once the Donald goes into attack mode in the general election, Bernie's people will understand why they can't sit this one out, and why not voting for Hillary would be a big, big mistake that could very well affect the rest of their lives.
The party of FDR must reform to again reflect the concerns of Americans, not the interests of the financial world as they do now.
Imagine the Democrats of the 1960s/70s/80s nominating a candidate who interrupted their political career for 2 years - between the cabinet & a presidential campaign - to run around making speeches to Wall Street banks, raking in $10+ million. That's how low the party's sunk. Those now controlling the Party like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz & James Clyburn recently supported a bill permitting car dealers to legally discriminate against minority customers. Wasserman-Schultz made money in for-profit prisons. How did this happen to the party of FDR? The DNC elite are shills for financial/insurance interests.
Add Hillary's support of the Iraq War and pushing failed military intervention in Libya (& exasperation Obama won't pursue military action in Syria) & how different is she from war-crazy Republicans? "I love women, children & LGBT blah-blah-blah" won't protect us from her bad judgement.
Those pushing us to get behind Hillary have bought into the current sleazy Democratic Party that doesn't represent the people anymore. My own Congressman (D) is owned by real estate developers.
A sorry state of affairs tonight.
Trump will win the election. He's going to bury Hillary in slime. We had a chance to dodge that bullet but the DNC was determined to make Hillary the nominee. Trump'll destroy her.
The DNC is about $, not the welfare of the people.
Imagine the Democrats of the 1960s/70s/80s nominating a candidate who interrupted their political career for 2 years - between the cabinet & a presidential campaign - to run around making speeches to Wall Street banks, raking in $10+ million. That's how low the party's sunk. Those now controlling the Party like Debbie Wasserman-Schultz & James Clyburn recently supported a bill permitting car dealers to legally discriminate against minority customers. Wasserman-Schultz made money in for-profit prisons. How did this happen to the party of FDR? The DNC elite are shills for financial/insurance interests.
Add Hillary's support of the Iraq War and pushing failed military intervention in Libya (& exasperation Obama won't pursue military action in Syria) & how different is she from war-crazy Republicans? "I love women, children & LGBT blah-blah-blah" won't protect us from her bad judgement.
Those pushing us to get behind Hillary have bought into the current sleazy Democratic Party that doesn't represent the people anymore. My own Congressman (D) is owned by real estate developers.
A sorry state of affairs tonight.
Trump will win the election. He's going to bury Hillary in slime. We had a chance to dodge that bullet but the DNC was determined to make Hillary the nominee. Trump'll destroy her.
The DNC is about $, not the welfare of the people.
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That sound you hear is a tsunami of barf coming Clinton's way, I will never vote for her.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
She is not electable. Half dems and all of right hate her,she will energize the right.
Spare us your doomsday nightmares, hrc supporters, dnc, nyt, etc. You brought it on us all.
Don't worry the nomination is still young, about this time in the 2008 election I remember Hillary saying something in the grocery store like "well maybe something you know, will happen to Obama? So why should I leave the race?" or perhaps she will get indited so the race will continue, you never know which foot Hillary's gonna put in her mouth too, maybe enough people will start getting the message from the one who speaks the truth, who speaks for them because the distance between them percentage wise state to state is going down... Also she's had decades for people to get to know her . They are just starting to hear about Bernie Sanders, some of us have been listening for years so we already got it long ago even before we helped Obama get elected .
And by the way I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters because they know Trump can beat her , they laughing at how they are playing the dems .
She is not electable. Half dems and all of right hate her,she will energize the right.
Spare us your doomsday nightmares, hrc supporters, dnc, nyt, etc. You brought it on us all.
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"Add Hillary's support of the Iraq War and pushing failed military intervention in Libya (& exasperation Obama won't pursue military action in Syria) & how different is she from war-crazy Republicans?"
Well said! That is why, in good conscience, I can not see myself voting for Hillary. The similarities are too obvious. No difference there.
Well said! That is why, in good conscience, I can not see myself voting for Hillary. The similarities are too obvious. No difference there.
How naive. Do you think that Trump and his merry band of mischief makers would not have buried Bernie in slime? Let's see... how about Bernie is a Communist? How about Bernie with a hammer-and-sickle in the background? How about Bernie paired with pictures of Marx and Lenin? How about a young Bernie demonstrating in Chicago with the heading "Bernie with Saul Alinsky?" I'm sure we'd hear all about Bernie wanting to soak the middle-class with tax raises to pay for his Trotskyite government. Are you old enough to remember when any talk of changing the healthcare in this country was called "socialized medicine?" I am. Oh, as a Communist, Bernie would have your right to worship taken away, and all your guns would be confiscated.
That's just an example of what Bernie would face.
I like Bernie myself, and I like Hillary. Don't kid yourself, though. Hillary has been run through the wringer a thousand times over the past 25 years. Trump will have a hard time telling any new tales on her; voters most likely made up their minds about her long ago. Bernie, on the other hand, is just ripe for Trump's picking. You'd better believe that Trump's inventive and not truthful invective would land a lot of body blows on Bernie. There'd be new stuff every day, and Bernie would be so busy defending that he could rarely go on the offense or discuss actual policy.
I thank Bernie for pushing Hillary further left. Now, it's time for the real professional to stop Trump.
That's just an example of what Bernie would face.
I like Bernie myself, and I like Hillary. Don't kid yourself, though. Hillary has been run through the wringer a thousand times over the past 25 years. Trump will have a hard time telling any new tales on her; voters most likely made up their minds about her long ago. Bernie, on the other hand, is just ripe for Trump's picking. You'd better believe that Trump's inventive and not truthful invective would land a lot of body blows on Bernie. There'd be new stuff every day, and Bernie would be so busy defending that he could rarely go on the offense or discuss actual policy.
I thank Bernie for pushing Hillary further left. Now, it's time for the real professional to stop Trump.
Why is it that when Bernie squeaked out a win last week by less than 2 percentage points, he made it sound like the revolution was at the gates but when Hillary wiped the map with him tonight he isn't even gracious enough to congratulate her?
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What's the utility in congratulatory gestures for these candidates? It's not about them, not to mention, they are not civil towards one another anyway, so any such gesture would be phony. To answer your question, it's probably because Sanders is not a phony. However, on the other hand, Hillary Clinton is not only a phony, she's also an abject liar.
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@Emily N: Hillary has what is known as grace and class. Look it up. She did in fact congratulate him for his vigorous campaign tonight and has congratulated him in the past as well. This isn't "phony". This is having manners and being a good sport.
Hillary and Sanders are colleagues. They both want what is best for the country. They are not childish barbarians (or, as it seems these days, Republicans).
Hillary and Sanders are colleagues. They both want what is best for the country. They are not childish barbarians (or, as it seems these days, Republicans).
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Its just like Clinton and her supporters to expect everyone to obsequiously genuflect with kisses to her backside.
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I am tired of funding wars so that the children of weapons manufacturers go to good schools and inherit decent estates. Clinton seems to me even more in favor of continuing the pointless battles than Obama is, and he is far too willing for me.
So I am not voting for her in November. I still hope for a lot of common sense in some big states to bring Bernie's delegate count up, but if that does not happen, I think the Democratic party needs to take a long hard look at where Clinton collected her delegates, ignore Red States and look at the number of GOP votes in those few states that are Purple. In Florida, Trump by himself has nearly as many votes as Clinton, and the GOP had many more voters than the Dems, so I think Florida will be the same color it was in 2000 and 2004. It is hard to see Clinton winning, and I do not see any coattails on her. If they don't run Bernie, I think they should prepare to lose the White House.
Now I am faced with the decision of whether I, a lefty who abhors Trump's campaign behavior, should hold my nose and vote for him. The possibilities are:
He thinks of his legacy, and behaves reasonably instead of like the caricature on display at the moment, and actually starts on day one working on a two-state solution between Israel and Palestine;
or He does like torture+glass-making, but Congress doesn't, so it uses the power of the purse, or if he is really bad, impeaches him, so GOP+Dems must play nice - a big advance over today; for me, a win.
So I am not voting for her in November. I still hope for a lot of common sense in some big states to bring Bernie's delegate count up, but if that does not happen, I think the Democratic party needs to take a long hard look at where Clinton collected her delegates, ignore Red States and look at the number of GOP votes in those few states that are Purple. In Florida, Trump by himself has nearly as many votes as Clinton, and the GOP had many more voters than the Dems, so I think Florida will be the same color it was in 2000 and 2004. It is hard to see Clinton winning, and I do not see any coattails on her. If they don't run Bernie, I think they should prepare to lose the White House.
Now I am faced with the decision of whether I, a lefty who abhors Trump's campaign behavior, should hold my nose and vote for him. The possibilities are:
He thinks of his legacy, and behaves reasonably instead of like the caricature on display at the moment, and actually starts on day one working on a two-state solution between Israel and Palestine;
or He does like torture+glass-making, but Congress doesn't, so it uses the power of the purse, or if he is really bad, impeaches him, so GOP+Dems must play nice - a big advance over today; for me, a win.
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Unbelievably wishful thinking on your "possibilities," as if a zero-sum game.
As for abstaining from Clinton, knock yourself out --- another Sanders fan rejecting the flawed in search of the perfect, and willing to hand the presidency to one who has stated unequivocally that he supports torture.
As for abstaining from Clinton, knock yourself out --- another Sanders fan rejecting the flawed in search of the perfect, and willing to hand the presidency to one who has stated unequivocally that he supports torture.
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You sound like a child. This isn't a game.
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If you even contemplate voting for Trump- don't bother calling yourself a "leftie", because you aren't one.
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So Sanders is campaigning for $2,000 iPhones? Because that's how much it would likely cost to manufacture the iPhone in the US. The result being, far fewer iPhones and a lot less workers at 1 Infinite Loop and Apple stores across the country.
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Sanders is campaigning for fair trade - not things that harm the US workers. In any event, US workers are also losing jobs to automation. So his platform has other things that support the US worker -- it is the entire package that matters. If everything goes right under Sanders, yes, an iPhone may cost more but workers will also be making more (see some of the analyses of Sanders' proposals).
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Bull. He wants fair trade, not free trade. We should not be able to have discount products at the cost of horrific air pollution for the Chinese and Mexicans. They should have the right to organize unions for fair treatment. Our companies should not be able to escape our Labor, environmental and safety laws. In Mexico, workers who protest unfair or unsafe conditions are fired. Some are not paid at all. Union leaders are murdered, and women sold into sexual slavery. Is that the free trade you want?
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RamS,
Nothing stops Sanders from introducing legislation as a US Senator that does what he promises. The President just signs into law what Congress sends to the Oval Office. Sanders, if he believes in his own agenda, should persuade his peers in Congress to support his vision. Of course, he'll need a Democratic President to sign any legislation that gets passed.
Nothing stops Sanders from introducing legislation as a US Senator that does what he promises. The President just signs into law what Congress sends to the Oval Office. Sanders, if he believes in his own agenda, should persuade his peers in Congress to support his vision. Of course, he'll need a Democratic President to sign any legislation that gets passed.
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Time for Bernie Sanders to drop out of the race and tell his supporters to get behind Mrs. Clinton to defeat the scariest enemy of the Untied States, Donald Trump.
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And support coups and war? No thanks.
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Your response is quintessential Bernie Bro speak. Petulant and based in anything but reality. Are you that naive to think that a country with an increasingly conservative electorate will embrace Mr. Sander's agenda of free everything when they finally get to know him?
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"I think that many of the people who comment are are actually Republicans posing as HRC supporters"
That's what I thought you were, posing as a Sanders supporter.
That's what I thought you were, posing as a Sanders supporter.
We cannot let anything prevent a Democratic victory - Trump spells the end of this nation as we know it. Bernie- a candidate for all times, is the choice of most progressive voters but if he cannot win the nomination for any reason, the stakes are too high for vindictiveness. We must unite behind the nominee if it is Hillary. Party unity would demand a Hillary/Bernie ticket and that would be invincible.
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"Trump spells the end of this nation as we know it."
Look:
Telling people who you support and why - that's politics.
Telling people that all manner of horrors will ensue if they don't support your candidate - that's extortion.
This over-the-top hysteria is not helping your cause.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
Look:
Telling people who you support and why - that's politics.
Telling people that all manner of horrors will ensue if they don't support your candidate - that's extortion.
This over-the-top hysteria is not helping your cause.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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Party unity? HRC supporters were the ones who coined the acronym PUMA--remember what that stood for?
The problem is, Hillary would throw us into a third war within two years and Bernie would have to resign as VP out of principle. Hillary would never select a VP who generates more excitement than she does anyway--she needs a token running mate. And whomever she chooses would likely find it hard to accomplish much in the shadow of HRC and Bill. Who wants to spend the next 4-8 years as a six-figure intern? Nobody we would want in that job.
Somebody tell me something good about Kasich.
The problem is, Hillary would throw us into a third war within two years and Bernie would have to resign as VP out of principle. Hillary would never select a VP who generates more excitement than she does anyway--she needs a token running mate. And whomever she chooses would likely find it hard to accomplish much in the shadow of HRC and Bill. Who wants to spend the next 4-8 years as a six-figure intern? Nobody we would want in that job.
Somebody tell me something good about Kasich.
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There is no way some people will vote for Hillary. Her voters are ...wimps.
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I never felt this trapped, worrying about the country, but maybe that was before I realized the powerful forces arrayed against disruption at the top.
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No, it is people like me, who have a much more broad understanding of the
world, and economics who are in support of Hillary.
It is Bernie who has an overly simplified view of the world.
It's not only the wealthy who are voting for Hillary, it is people like me.
#ImWithHer
world, and economics who are in support of Hillary.
It is Bernie who has an overly simplified view of the world.
It's not only the wealthy who are voting for Hillary, it is people like me.
#ImWithHer
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I've been a life long Democrat, but i will no longer support the corporate Democratic Party which it has become and I will not vote for Hillary Clinton and I certainly would never vote for the GOP. Guess this is where I say goodbye to the corrupt economic and political system known as the Corporate States of America. I don't even have faith in the integrity of the vote tonight between Clinton and Sanders. All you Hillary is wonderful supporters who work for a living will be left in the dust vs corporate interests when she and Bill move into the White House....again.
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2 word: Supreme Court. Don't be foolish
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Stop it -- please stop it. You seriously are willing to risk the Supreme Court because you're mad? You believe Hillary Clinton will oppose Roe v Wade, try to destroy Obamacare, roll back alternative energy, on and on and on? Because if you don't, not voting for her will be on your conscience for the rest of your life. Do you think Ralph Nader did us all a good turn by assuring Bush became President? Please -- don't give in to bitterness. How have you convinced yourself that Clinton is the Devil? Or a Republican in Democratic clothing? Vote for her. Hold your nose if you must but vote for her.
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Don't worry. If enough people like you boycott the vote, Trump will win, not HRC.
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Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump is for America the likes of Caligula versus Nero for Rome. Heaven help us.
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Yes, Clinton is a dirty politician. If you think she's as bad a leader for the country as Trump though, I think you are misjudging one of these candidates...
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The two-party system of America has shown its cracks with deep fissures to the very core. The Republicans find themselves contending with a Trump nomination while Hillary evokes a similar feeling of dread amongst many.
This could be it, a sizable portion of voters will not be comfortable or simply will not support either of these candidates, perhaps enough is enough and a new political shift or revolution will appear.
As a lifelong independent who only registered Democrat to vote in a closed primary state, I will be taking my vote to someone who has earned it by staying consistent and looking out for those of us who don't give speeches at Goldman Sachs, Senator Bernie Sanders, to and beyond the nomination.
This could be it, a sizable portion of voters will not be comfortable or simply will not support either of these candidates, perhaps enough is enough and a new political shift or revolution will appear.
As a lifelong independent who only registered Democrat to vote in a closed primary state, I will be taking my vote to someone who has earned it by staying consistent and looking out for those of us who don't give speeches at Goldman Sachs, Senator Bernie Sanders, to and beyond the nomination.
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Me too. Voting to keep oligarch in is like hitting yourself on head with hammer over and over and wondering what is wrong.
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So why not be ethical and honest and start a third party instead of trying to steal one from people who have created it for real life issues? Go start your revolution on your own dime and quit trying to expropriate ours for the purposes of the purist prudes.
Catharsis, I am in complete agreement. I also changed from I to D so I could vote in my closed primary state which doesn't get to vote until May. I am hoping Bernie stays in the race. California could be the grand prize for him. If he is forced out by the DNC power brokers, I will vote third party. I've had enough of Clinton truthiness.
Bernie
You have to go! It's time to admit a simple fact, you can not and will not win the Democratic nomination.
This talk of the the "electoral map" now tilting in your favor is quite frankly insulting to minorities and is a disservice to all of those true Democrats who have voted up to now.
You have not been able to start a "revolution."
What you have done at this point is to "overstay your welcome."
We meaning Democrats have to win in November.
You have proven that you cannot get minorities behind you in the key States of Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia.
The Democratic nominee in November must win those States and essentially the only way for that person to win those States is with the strong support of the African American community!
We need them much more than we need you!
You have to go! It's time to admit a simple fact, you can not and will not win the Democratic nomination.
This talk of the the "electoral map" now tilting in your favor is quite frankly insulting to minorities and is a disservice to all of those true Democrats who have voted up to now.
You have not been able to start a "revolution."
What you have done at this point is to "overstay your welcome."
We meaning Democrats have to win in November.
You have proven that you cannot get minorities behind you in the key States of Ohio, Florida, North Carolina, Virginia.
The Democratic nominee in November must win those States and essentially the only way for that person to win those States is with the strong support of the African American community!
We need them much more than we need you!
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You're wrong. Do you ever notice that Hillary tends to win in the states that have as much as twice as much Republican turnout as Democratic? Sure she took Illinois, but in a squeaker. The point is, in an election against the Republican nominee, she doesn't look so electable. The traditionally Republican states will not matter in the general election. EXCEPT if Republicans are so put off by Trump they vote for a different candidate. If they do so, it will not be Hillary Clinton, since Republicans are full of hate for her, and would more likely hold their nose and vote for Trump. We do need Sanders, because he's electable, and will be much more successful working with Republicans on behalf of America.
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@Fern
Did you happen to see the results of the Massachusetts primary a couple of weeks back?
Bernie lost in Cambridge
Seriously! He didn't win in the People's Republic of Cambridge!
Time to come home to Hillary we need to beat the Bloviator in November
Did you happen to see the results of the Massachusetts primary a couple of weeks back?
Bernie lost in Cambridge
Seriously! He didn't win in the People's Republic of Cambridge!
Time to come home to Hillary we need to beat the Bloviator in November
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We are in this to the finish for Bernie. Sanders is the only true Progressive Democrat. Clinton flip-flops, schmoozes with Monsanto, Wal Mart, Wall Street, Tyson foods and their ilk. She supports undemocratic coups. She takes money from the prison industrial complex.
No, no, no, no, NO
No, no, no, no, NO
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I hate to say this, but if Bernie Sanders doesn't win his party's nomination, then I hope Donald Trump goes on to win the White House. Maybe things need to get a whole lot worse before they can get better.
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I'm afraid you have it exactly wrong: Things have to get better before they get better!
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See Joe from Boston's comment. Suspend wishful thinking and consider the many real people who would greatly suffer during a Trump regime. Things never truly get better after they have been a whole lot worse. The historical examples are too many to recount here. Suffice it to remember that Bush 43 *was* much worse than Gore (who might have saved us a lot of the damage that climate change is already wreaking).
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Sir, I hate to say this but you're speaking like a madman. You want to destroy the country before you'll vote for Clinton? If you vote for Trump you'll have to live with your conscience for the rest of your life. Take a breath and stop demonizing Clinton. I don't know what is happening to this country.
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I am an unrepentant Bernie Sanders supporter, with my vote in Massachusetts, and woth donations.
I hope that Sanders supporters understand that Hillary Clinton, dor all of her flaws, and he Republican-lite approach to politics, is still better than anybody that the Republicans will nominate, Der Fuhrer Drumpf, Canadian Ted Cruz, or Governor Kasich (a right wing politician in sheep's clothing), or even a "consensus" nominee such as a Lyin' Paul Ryan who might come out of a contested nomination.
Yes, i am suggesting that if Hillary is the nominee, and I hope against hope that it will be Bernie Sanders (as difficult as that might be to see coming to pass, given the primary election results tonight, we need to vote for her in preference to any of the Republicans. Hold your nose (as I will) and vote for the person with the (D) after her name, if necessary.
Remember what happened in Florida in 2000 when tens of thousands sof people voted for Ralph Nader as a "protest" vote, and we ended up with eight years of Bush 43.
This election, with a possible several Supreme Court vacancies to be filled by the next President, is far too important to let go to the Republicans by default.
I hope that Sanders supporters understand that Hillary Clinton, dor all of her flaws, and he Republican-lite approach to politics, is still better than anybody that the Republicans will nominate, Der Fuhrer Drumpf, Canadian Ted Cruz, or Governor Kasich (a right wing politician in sheep's clothing), or even a "consensus" nominee such as a Lyin' Paul Ryan who might come out of a contested nomination.
Yes, i am suggesting that if Hillary is the nominee, and I hope against hope that it will be Bernie Sanders (as difficult as that might be to see coming to pass, given the primary election results tonight, we need to vote for her in preference to any of the Republicans. Hold your nose (as I will) and vote for the person with the (D) after her name, if necessary.
Remember what happened in Florida in 2000 when tens of thousands sof people voted for Ralph Nader as a "protest" vote, and we ended up with eight years of Bush 43.
This election, with a possible several Supreme Court vacancies to be filled by the next President, is far too important to let go to the Republicans by default.
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My heart is heavy, but I do not know if I can. I am too exasperated to hold my nose this time around. Still, you speak the truth and this fight is far from over.
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Not the debunked Nader myth again.
Why don't you look into it before falling down in terror before it?
Start here:
http://politizine.blogspot.com/2004/02/debunking-myth-ralph-nader-didnt-...
Then look for more.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
Why don't you look into it before falling down in terror before it?
Start here:
http://politizine.blogspot.com/2004/02/debunking-myth-ralph-nader-didnt-...
Then look for more.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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I agree, even though there are several HRC supporters who've been annoying and a complete turn off (I think HRC needs to win over the Sanders voters), I think it is better for this country to coast along with HRC until the next chance than to allow Trump to become President, but it is not only my choice.
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Can I just make a request?
Can we stop with the Bernie is the modern day FDR?
Bernie is NOWHERE near the politician that FDR was and even if you suspend reality and somehow believe Bernie can be elected he won't be anything like FDR.
They have two completely different styles of leadership and FDR's "pre Presidential track record" would put Bernie's resume to shame!
Bernie maybe a lot of things but one thing he has not been, is not now, and lets be realistic will never be is the "next FDR!"
Can we stop with the Bernie is the modern day FDR?
Bernie is NOWHERE near the politician that FDR was and even if you suspend reality and somehow believe Bernie can be elected he won't be anything like FDR.
They have two completely different styles of leadership and FDR's "pre Presidential track record" would put Bernie's resume to shame!
Bernie maybe a lot of things but one thing he has not been, is not now, and lets be realistic will never be is the "next FDR!"
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Maybe not, but Hillary sure isn't FDR either.
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Sanders is the FDR and MLK Jr. for this century. He doesn't have to have accomplishments for me to say this. It's the perspective they hold. They are/were all politicians, even King Jr. I know some very simple people who've led straight forward lives whose views are so pacificistic I'd call them the Gandhi for this century. There are people who believe in racial equality like King Jr. did who have not followed the traditional route to success who I'd call the next MLK Jr. Just because someone has been successful in an establishment-oriented sense does not mean their philosophies/perspectives are good and wise.
Sanders is by no means that untraditional. He has dutifully and humbly served his constituents. He is a politician so he's not perfect in this regard (i.e., I don't trust politicians in general). Your candidate Clinton is winning. There's no need to put Sanders down.
Sanders is by no means that untraditional. He has dutifully and humbly served his constituents. He is a politician so he's not perfect in this regard (i.e., I don't trust politicians in general). Your candidate Clinton is winning. There's no need to put Sanders down.
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Bernie's the closest thing we've got to FDR. He demonstrates the same concern for those in economic distress and the programs that he endorses are an extension of the New Deal. I support him proudly.
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Clinton was gracious tonight in her speech acknowledging Sanders' goals and ideals. Now we must look to Sanders for the same. He must stop characterizing Clinton as an instrument of Wall Street (she's not) and a member of a malign "establishment" (she is one who will carry forward the wise policies of the Obama administration).
If Sanders is truly a member of the Democratic party (and not just an opportunistic Democrat), then he must temper his rhetoric and give thought to helping the party to victory in all the elections of November. That will serve his causes better than a Republican Senate ever will. An increased Democratic presence in the House won't hurt either.
If Sanders is truly a member of the Democratic party (and not just an opportunistic Democrat), then he must temper his rhetoric and give thought to helping the party to victory in all the elections of November. That will serve his causes better than a Republican Senate ever will. An increased Democratic presence in the House won't hurt either.
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Agreed.
We will know who Bernie truly is when we see what he does in the general election and afterwards.
We will know who Bernie truly is when we see what he does in the general election and afterwards.
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Out of the two of them, Bernie is the one Democrat. Clinton is a Republican and should officially run as one.
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No. She wants my vote and I won't give it to her.
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Hillary won 5 in a roll! The silent majority spoke out loud and clear!
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I have to admit it's been a little tough being in the silent majority in the NY Times comment section where the Bernites have been complaining loudly.
Still, the joy is sweet.
Still, the joy is sweet.
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Maybe so, but they weren't landslides. There are a lot of people who did not vote for her, many voices that desperately need to be heard, and won't be silenced. Not any more.
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Hurrah! We are the silent minority in the Democratic Party, and we have had enough with the groupthink. She is supremely qualified and we are incredibly proud of her.
I now breathe a sigh of relief that I am no longer a wanted man in this comments section.
I now breathe a sigh of relief that I am no longer a wanted man in this comments section.
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If Hillary Clinton does manage to win the nomination and then the presidency, it will be because she worked longer and harder for it than any other candidate ever has.
I don't know where she gets her fortitude, but it's impressive.
I don't know where she gets her fortitude, but it's impressive.
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We saw that fortitude in the Benghazi hearings.
There is no one in the country better able to bear the pressures of becoming the President of the United States.
There is no one in the country better able to bear the pressures of becoming the President of the United States.
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30,000 dead Libyans bear the brunt of her fortitude. Her and Obamas failure there has enabled ISIS to export arms around the mid east, and lead to the refugee crisis. Is this leadership? Is this impressive?
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Hillary is working the hardest to hide the speeches she gave to Goldman Sachs. I've never seen someone work so hard to hide something they claim is nothing to hide.
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It would be very remiss of me not to mention my foresight of what Bernie's Michigan "upset" win meant when I had written the following at the time:
"Bernie's Michigan "upset" win, which will consume the news media until Hillary's blowout wins next week, should be viewed in the following context (via Steve Benen at Maddow Blog):
"Michigan Democrats have a history of surprising everyone in their presidential primaries and caucuses.
-- In 1972, George McGovern was on his way towards winning the Democratic nomination when George Wallace won Michigan.
-- In 1980, then-President Jimmy Carter was on track when Ted Kennedy won Michigan.
-- In 1988, Michael Dukakis was the favorite to win the Democratic nod when Jesse Jackson won Michigan."
Offered without further commentary, except to provide the additional perspective that in his Michigan "win", Sanders earned just 1.7% more votes while losing the day in the all-important delegate count metric."
Clearly, Bernie's Michigan "upset" win meant nothing. It was another Pyrrhic victory in series of such victories since he ran against Hillary's Nevada "firewall." I'd said then that he was toast. Tonight just confirmed it in a big way...
"Bernie's Michigan "upset" win, which will consume the news media until Hillary's blowout wins next week, should be viewed in the following context (via Steve Benen at Maddow Blog):
"Michigan Democrats have a history of surprising everyone in their presidential primaries and caucuses.
-- In 1972, George McGovern was on his way towards winning the Democratic nomination when George Wallace won Michigan.
-- In 1980, then-President Jimmy Carter was on track when Ted Kennedy won Michigan.
-- In 1988, Michael Dukakis was the favorite to win the Democratic nod when Jesse Jackson won Michigan."
Offered without further commentary, except to provide the additional perspective that in his Michigan "win", Sanders earned just 1.7% more votes while losing the day in the all-important delegate count metric."
Clearly, Bernie's Michigan "upset" win meant nothing. It was another Pyrrhic victory in series of such victories since he ran against Hillary's Nevada "firewall." I'd said then that he was toast. Tonight just confirmed it in a big way...
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Two of those states were 50/50, as were Nevada, Iowa and Massachusetts. Hardly blowouts, especially considering how much longer Clinton has been on the public stage, and how much longer she's been campaigning with her Wall-Street war chest.
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@Busysaru -- Your comment missed the point. Bernie won no state yesterday. It is was sweep, a delegate blowout. To doubt to this date that Hillary's Nevada win, which effectively reset the race to make her 'inevitable' again, was the beginning of the end for Bernie is right up there with trying to spin his now likely 0 for 5 debacle.
As for how long Hillary has been on the public stage, Bernie has been there for over 30 years but with little to show for it. What you consider Hillary's liability -- her presence on the public stage -- is one of her great assets for the general election compared to Bernie because she's a known quantity that's been tested and targeted by the GOP Attack Machine; He has not been so that his own liabilities like his SOCIALISM will be fresh material for Republican attacks that are likely to resonate due to their novelty. Lastly, regarding her Wall Street war chest, I do not see Bernie returning a penny of his recent millions, which are still money in politics that he keeps railing against. You want Democrats to stop taking Wall Street money? Then change the law, because if they stop and the Republicans do not, it would be foolish unilateral disarmament that would cause serious damage because the Democrats' ability to compete in local, state, and federal elections would be even more impaired than it already is. The GOP would keep winning such elections and become the dominant party despite being less and less representative of America as a whole.
As for how long Hillary has been on the public stage, Bernie has been there for over 30 years but with little to show for it. What you consider Hillary's liability -- her presence on the public stage -- is one of her great assets for the general election compared to Bernie because she's a known quantity that's been tested and targeted by the GOP Attack Machine; He has not been so that his own liabilities like his SOCIALISM will be fresh material for Republican attacks that are likely to resonate due to their novelty. Lastly, regarding her Wall Street war chest, I do not see Bernie returning a penny of his recent millions, which are still money in politics that he keeps railing against. You want Democrats to stop taking Wall Street money? Then change the law, because if they stop and the Republicans do not, it would be foolish unilateral disarmament that would cause serious damage because the Democrats' ability to compete in local, state, and federal elections would be even more impaired than it already is. The GOP would keep winning such elections and become the dominant party despite being less and less representative of America as a whole.
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I admire Bernie. We need more like him in our political discourse. But I can't let this respect and admiration get ahead on my hold on reality. Seriously, can I react to Hillary's sweeping victories tonight by cheering Bernie's "Phoenix, are you ready for the revolution?" No. The reality is that there has to be some pragmatic answers to how we create growth and jobs. Simply saying we'll tear up trade agreements, magically vault to single-payer healthcare, and pay for all students' free public college, is unhinged from reality. Tonight, voters finally did a reality check after indulging in the seduction of Bernista reverie. Bernie has made a huge and valuable contribution to liberal and progressive discourse. It's time he contributes to checking the looming reality of America's dangerous lurch to a previously unseen strain of fascistic populism. Let's make sure Trump doesn't win.
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None of Bernie's agenda is unhinged from reality. It works just fine in many major countries of the world.
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Wonderful comment!
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Bernie's programs would not be enacted overnight, but he would keep attention focused on the priorities of most Americans: good-paying jobs, reducing income inequality, and improving access to quality health care and higher education.
I agree with Robert Reich. Vote for Hillary Clinton to preserve the status quo. Vote for Bernie Sanders to change it. I've had enough of business as usual.
I agree with Robert Reich. Vote for Hillary Clinton to preserve the status quo. Vote for Bernie Sanders to change it. I've had enough of business as usual.
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This is your cue, serial accusers of "media bias" against the NYT.
How has the Paper of Record underreported Sanders's accomplishments this time? I await with baited breath.
How has the Paper of Record underreported Sanders's accomplishments this time? I await with baited breath.
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It's not what has been done now, but what has been done before, and it's not just to Sanders, but also to Clinton at times. The media is in the business of selling newspapers, and so last week, they ignored Clinton to cover Trump and this week they ignored Sanders to cover Trump. But if you look at the overall reporting in terms of what happened before the first votes were cast, Sanders got WAY less coverage. It's only recently that things have been mostly better, but still the structure of the system makes the rise of someone like Sanders hard.
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"How has the Paper of Record underreported Sanders's accomplishments this time?" Read Matt Taibbi.
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I am even more committed to Bernie. This loss will make me do one thing : sign up to volunteer on line tomorrow With the sanders campaign to win. No Bernie= no real change. We need change.
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Be careful what you wish for. Donald Trump could deliver some "real" change....
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Please remember to sign up for the mid-terms in 2018 too. If you want a revolution it's time to do it the American way: by being constantly engaged, not Rip Van Winkling it every four years. Oh and don't forget to pass the advice to your Bernie supporting friends. Lacking that you're all froth and no beer.
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Follanger, that's exactly what Sanders has been saying all along, the people need to be engaged to see real change. Obviously you've not been paying attention.
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Well, there's no way for Bernie to win the nomination -- it's over. He's now running against math; there's no way for him to win enough states, by a big enough %, to win enough delegates. Eeking out wins in MI and MO doesn't remotely compare to getting blown out in TX, FL and NC. It doesn't mean he should stop running. He certainly will win more states, and he should keep pushing the important issues that he and so many Dems believe in.
But it will be real interesting to see what tone Bernie takes at his big rallies -- he's gotten more personally negative against Hillary in the past couple of weeks (though nothing approaching the trash fest that is Trump, Cruz, et al). He's certainly within his rights to do that; politics ain't bean bag. But when you've been mathematically eliminated, you need to think ahead -- does he want his supporters in November to support Trump/Cruz or Hillary? This shouldn't be a hard question. But it will be hard for him to ask, if he's painted her as a deeply unworthy candidate for months on end.
But it will be real interesting to see what tone Bernie takes at his big rallies -- he's gotten more personally negative against Hillary in the past couple of weeks (though nothing approaching the trash fest that is Trump, Cruz, et al). He's certainly within his rights to do that; politics ain't bean bag. But when you've been mathematically eliminated, you need to think ahead -- does he want his supporters in November to support Trump/Cruz or Hillary? This shouldn't be a hard question. But it will be hard for him to ask, if he's painted her as a deeply unworthy candidate for months on end.
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He has not talked about her personally very much - if he does, it's a slip up. Here's how he almost always talks about Clinton. When they asked him to attack Clinton, he said no:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/all-three-networks-ignored-bernie-sa...
Please don't make up stories that aren't true. Clinton is winning - be happy. But Sanders has not run a negative campaign at all. I don't even know why I bother sometimes.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/all-three-networks-ignored-bernie-sa...
Please don't make up stories that aren't true. Clinton is winning - be happy. But Sanders has not run a negative campaign at all. I don't even know why I bother sometimes.
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Bernie said at the beginning of his campaign that he would support the Democratic nominee, and has since stated that Hillary Clinton is a far better choice for president than Trump or Cruz. I have no doubt that he will support the Democratic ticket in the fall.
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He spoke in AZ after the loss and he is still trashing Hillary I guess it is all just about Bernie after all and not about progressive causes. He also trashed Walmart who just raised their bottom wage to 10.00 and hour like they promised (even in a down year). Sure it could be more, but it is better than most. He does not seem to keep up with the times or reality.
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Despite a very close race, exit polling of Illinois voters revealed more than 60% believe Mrs. Clinton would have a better chance than Mr Sanders to beat Trump in a general election. Congratulations to Hillary Clinton for some very big wins today.
I hope Mr. Sanders more vocal supporters with a penchant for vulgar and sexist remarks will accept their candidate's losses today with the grace, civility and class their number one "bro," Bernie Sanders exhibits at all times.
I hope Mr. Sanders more vocal supporters with a penchant for vulgar and sexist remarks will accept their candidate's losses today with the grace, civility and class their number one "bro," Bernie Sanders exhibits at all times.
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"Dear vulgar sexists, Please display grace and civility." From one Chicago Jeff to another, I think you might want to tweak that message a bit.
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Actually, Jeff, if you read his comment carefully, I think it is fine as is.
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I'm not a vulgar sexist, and I don't want to vote for the Wall Street establishment.
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Hillary is as establishment as they come. She makes millions through shady speaking engagements, manipulation of policy, and her connections to big business. Her record speaks for itself.
At what point did voters really begin to believe she was a real Democrat who cared for the people?
Hillary only cares for the American voter as long as it benefits her personally. Once in office, she will implement policies that will bring us back to the status quo.
Voters should realize they are voting for Hillary, not Bill. We will be in store for 4 more years of policy that will benefit the few at the expense of the many.
Just because she is a woman does not mean she is the best choice for women. Just because she is Bill's wife does not mean she is the best choice for African Americans. Bernie has a record more indicative of actually helping these groups of Americans.
At what point did voters really begin to believe she was a real Democrat who cared for the people?
Hillary only cares for the American voter as long as it benefits her personally. Once in office, she will implement policies that will bring us back to the status quo.
Voters should realize they are voting for Hillary, not Bill. We will be in store for 4 more years of policy that will benefit the few at the expense of the many.
Just because she is a woman does not mean she is the best choice for women. Just because she is Bill's wife does not mean she is the best choice for African Americans. Bernie has a record more indicative of actually helping these groups of Americans.
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Hilary and Bernie's positions have more than 90% overlap. Given that, I'm voting for HIlary because I believe during the next four years foreign affairs are going to be very difficult and will require a practiced hand in the White House. Because of her work in the present administration (what you call the establishment), she has that experience. Bernie does not. It's really that simple for me.
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So you support her foreign policy of hawkish nation-building that got us involved in Iraq, Syria, and Libya. The policy that cost thousands of lives and displaced millions of people is on our heads! You want more of that same poor judgment?!
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Bernie is Mother Theresa? I didn't know!
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It's a sad day for America. Corporations 4 people 1...
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Try again. Sanders got swept, 0 for 5.
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It was the PEOPLE who voted...
and It is People -5 FANTASY-0
Economic and and foreign policy is NOT as simplistic
as Bernie seems to think it is.
Lastly, If you really think that, then you have no idea who Hillary Clinton is.
Hillary is the REAL DEAL!!!!
#ImWithHer
and It is People -5 FANTASY-0
Economic and and foreign policy is NOT as simplistic
as Bernie seems to think it is.
Lastly, If you really think that, then you have no idea who Hillary Clinton is.
Hillary is the REAL DEAL!!!!
#ImWithHer
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Your math is flawed. Missouri has not gone for Sanders. Even with 99% of the vote tallied it is too close to call...though Clinton is leading. The final score for the evening is just as likely to be 5-0. However, that is a meaningless way to look at the results.
Winning a state does very little for a Democratic candidate. Delegate are apportioned by the votes each candidate got at the county level. A more realistic way to look at last night's Democratic results is to give Clinton approximately 340 more delegates for the evening and Sanders approximately 180 more delegates.
Winning a state does very little for a Democratic candidate. Delegate are apportioned by the votes each candidate got at the county level. A more realistic way to look at last night's Democratic results is to give Clinton approximately 340 more delegates for the evening and Sanders approximately 180 more delegates.
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Why in the world do people in Ohio, Missouri vote for Hillary ?
Do you really think she is going to do anything for you ?
Take a chance and vote for Bernie while you still can !
Do you really think she is going to do anything for you ?
Take a chance and vote for Bernie while you still can !
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Are you sitting out the election too? Or voting for Bernie when he runs as an independent? As Lou Reed sang, "You're going to reap just what you sew."
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And what will you say when HRC switches and endorses TPP, decides to deport children and decides to put troops on the ground in Syria?
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I'll say thankfully we don't have Trump selecting Supreme Court Justices that will set our course for 30 years.
Time for Sanders to run as an Independent now or after a few wins.
Lets face it Bernie is not a Democrat and nor have Democrats (establishment) have not endorsed him in any way. If the objective was to get his name out, it has worked tremendously.
If Bernie fails to come about I and most will choose the lesser evil. And right now taking the rhetoric aside its very hard to tell between the two others.
Bernie 2016! or Independent Bernie 2016!
Lets face it Bernie is not a Democrat and nor have Democrats (establishment) have not endorsed him in any way. If the objective was to get his name out, it has worked tremendously.
If Bernie fails to come about I and most will choose the lesser evil. And right now taking the rhetoric aside its very hard to tell between the two others.
Bernie 2016! or Independent Bernie 2016!
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By lesser evil you mean the greater good, yes?
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Sounds like you've been overdosing on sanctimony, friend. If you can't see any difference between Clinton and Trump, might want to see a specialist who treats immaturity or toxic irrationality. Did you think a consensus hammered out among 350 million different and individual Americans would somehow resemble your personal aspirations? If Sander's agenda was so easily achievable, why didn't he start 25 years ago? This is a marathon, not a sprint. Conservatives know that. Lots of smart folks took Sanders' acolytes with a grain of salt. You're proof. Vote for Trump and you'll also prove Sanders' people are not much different from Trump's lumpen proletariat.
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Bernie has already begun the run as an independent by taking the Democratic party back to its progressive roots. That's why Hillary is having a hard time having many landslide votes. The American public can barely tell the difference between a moderate Republican and a right-of-center Democrat like Clinton.
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Phew! For a while there I was worried we would have to sit through a cacophonous shouting match between Trump and Sanders for the general election. Go, Hillary go! Bring it back for us in November!
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Hillary might not be able to beat Trump. She does well in red states, where the GOP will win, anyway. But she hasn't done that well in blue states, where she must in order to win. Bernie has done better in blue-land than she has, and less well in red states, where he wouldn't likely win, anyway. So it's a bit of a wash ...
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Trump and Sanders in the general election would be the Presidential equivalent of a Subway Series - anyone know what the two subway lines are in Brooklyn and Queens? Oh well a bit of levity, back to arguing.
Lucky you. Now you can sit through a avalanche of vindictive misogyny flowing from Trump's mouth toward his friend and wedding guest Hillary.
I believe Bernie would be a WAY better opponent for Trump. It would be perfect - the millionaire vs. the workers. This is the showdown we need. Instead will get two insanely ambitious millionaires who will help their class get richer.
I believe Bernie would be a WAY better opponent for Trump. It would be perfect - the millionaire vs. the workers. This is the showdown we need. Instead will get two insanely ambitious millionaires who will help their class get richer.
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Last night, Bernie Sanders freely admitted that he was not a Democrat and simply was running on the party ticket for the money and recognition, noting, he couldn't make it as an independent, no one would give him money or the time of day. That's a spoiler and an opportunist in most people's book. Bernie is for Bernie, he's not a Democrat and he can not win. The one thing he seems to have in common with his young followers is a tenuous grasp on reality and the penchant to pout when things don't go his way.
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Amen. From the comments of his followers, they would rather sit out the elections than vote for Hillary. Sounds like Nader in 2000.
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I'm 69, have been politically progressive my whole life, please don't say I am young and have a tenuous grasp on reality. I raised 4 children. I wrote and published college guides for 16 years. There are lots of people my age who are voting for Bernie.
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Well I guess HRC does not need the milennials to win the GE does she? Let us see how well she does if many young people and young women decide not to vote in the presidential election. I still think young people will vote in their states house and senate races.
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I support Bernie Sanders and will continue to support him all the way to the convention, as long as he sticks to his principles and his vision. I hope he will not accept a vice president offer by Hillary, in case she becomes the nominee. If Clinton and Trump are the official candidates, I don't think I will vote. I may vote for other people running for different positions, or the propositions on the ballot, but I will skip the presidential vote. Every time I think of Hillary, I think of Libya and her "we came, we saw, he died". God knows what other incursions she may become enthusiastic about, once she is the president.
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If you actually support Sanders, why do you hope that he won't accept a vice president offer? Wouldn't it be far more likely that he could have an impact on this country as vice president than as a marginal senator from a small state in a dysfunctional, Republican-controlled Senate?
Or perhaps when you say you support Sanders, you mean that you support the idea of a "revolution" that magically transforms America into a socialist paradise, and if you can't have that then nothing else matters.
Or perhaps when you say you support Sanders, you mean that you support the idea of a "revolution" that magically transforms America into a socialist paradise, and if you can't have that then nothing else matters.
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And you think that sitting out is a reasonable option? Do you want a Trump presidency? Sitting out is a choice to let other people decide. It is not the courageous one.
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Clinton - Warren 2016!
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I won't vote for Hillary, I can't.
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I could for her but I can't lie to myself.
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So are you voting for Trump by proxy?
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I can't either.
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I love Bernie Sanders. I think he has been a voice that has been needed for a long time. Unfortunately, my contributions and vote did not make him the victor tonight. The people have spoken. If we wish to move candidate Clinton to the left, we will need to do so by providing her with a Democratic Congress. The Republican Party is in shambles. It looks like part of the 1% that controls it is fomenting violence for political gain. If Senator Sanders had won any of the large states tonight by a healthy margin, I would be the first to call for the one-sided coverage to end, and for him to be given more time. He got trounced in Florida and lost in Ohio. As much as I don't like her ties to the criminals of Wall Street, the rest of the Party apparently does not agree. It's time to move on, and keep Senator Sanders' ideas alive by trying to win back Congress.
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You won't move Hillary to the left. You will only change her campaign speeches. The Clintons are the ones who triangulated and moved the Democratic party to the right so that it is not the party of Wall St. She'll be like Obama, saying one thing and doing quite the opposite.
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Wise, sensible, civil.
Candidate Clinton has learned-- as many of us of her generation -- that moving to the left in a general election usually means . . . . The Republicans win.
Humphrey, McGovern, Dukakis, Mondale, Gore, Kerry . . . . . .
All great liberal visionaries.
All lost. And instead, we had our country run by men who made it a far worse place to live in.
Call it pragmatism. Call it being old and battle scarred.
I can just say, having been there, decade after decade, it's better to win with someone who is 50% of where you might want them to be -- than to LOSE and have nothing and watch Republicans hurt the very people we liberals say we want to help.
WE don't suffer that much.
The poor, the needy, the sick, the old -- THEY suffer because we choose to take a stand on principles.
Candidate Clinton has learned-- as many of us of her generation -- that moving to the left in a general election usually means . . . . The Republicans win.
Humphrey, McGovern, Dukakis, Mondale, Gore, Kerry . . . . . .
All great liberal visionaries.
All lost. And instead, we had our country run by men who made it a far worse place to live in.
Call it pragmatism. Call it being old and battle scarred.
I can just say, having been there, decade after decade, it's better to win with someone who is 50% of where you might want them to be -- than to LOSE and have nothing and watch Republicans hurt the very people we liberals say we want to help.
WE don't suffer that much.
The poor, the needy, the sick, the old -- THEY suffer because we choose to take a stand on principles.
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Sorry, but no. Look at the numbers. Bernie can still win and I plan to help him. American Rebolution 2.0
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A very divisive person and politician,she won't be able to unite the Democrats and will ultimately be defeated by any Republican candidate.If she had not a massive support from the DNC and Democratic Party machine she would not even defeat Bernie Sanders.A bad candidate and certainly not the next U.S. President.Anyway,against an unlikely candidate she has all these difficulties and still is not 100% certain that she will win the Primaries.
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She is only a 'divisive person' because she dares to try to be a woman and a progressive in power.
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If she is so divisive and unsupported why has she gotten more votes so far than Sanders? I like both, voted for Sanders in the primary, and will enthusiastically support whomever wins the nomination. I would never subject my loved ones, my children and my grandchildren to the horrors of a Trump or Cruz presidency. This isn't some childish game we're playing where we pick up our bat and go home one day and come out the next day to a sunshiny day all begun anew. We're on the verge of electing either a fascist authoritarian ignorant bully or a theocratic warmonger who believes he's on a mission directed by God and will very likely start World War III. The damage either one of these demagogues would do to the USA is almost incomprehensible. Should we risk all this in the name of ideology and unreasonable "purity"? It's time to be the adults in the room. It's time to support whoever wins the Democratic nomination. The stakes are just too high to give in to childish petulance.
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Why have you written off Bernie's chance at winning the nomination this early but propose that Cruz, the most disliked Republican among his peers and voters, has a viable shot? Trump has a much more commanding lead in the GOP than Hillary has over Bernie but no one is saying it's all over on the Republican side, even in the media. Talking head are all laying awake at night imagining paths of loss to Trump and have written off Bernie's potential as hopeless at the same time. Too many double standards are at play here, and it appears they are all ganging up against Bernie. When both major parties and the media oppose a candidate so strongly, he's probably the right guy for the job.
Bernie is really in a pickle now. March madness has started and his base is now distracted by brackets.
In seriousness though, the math is now hard to ignore. Maybe now Elizabeth Warren will be heard from?
In seriousness though, the math is now hard to ignore. Maybe now Elizabeth Warren will be heard from?
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I think Warren is great but I think there may be an issue with her claimed Native American heritage, if you're suggesting she should put herself forward as an alternative.
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Take this too the bank - the only role that Elizabeth Warren is going to have in this election is that of a hall of fame surrogate for whoever is nominated.
Warren needs to stay in the Senate. She would not win the nomination, especially, this late in the game and can do far more for the people in the Senate in which she can serve for many more years. The people need her in the senate fighting for us. Imagine what could be accomplished with a Democratically controlled presidency and a senate with countless progressives like Warren and others fighting for the middle class.
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It is my fervent hope that Bernie's supporters will not lose sight of the clear and present danger to our country posed by Donald Trump. If Hillary prevails in this primary for the nomination, it is critical that we all join together behind her. She has spent a good deal of her life working for progressive causes. These include education, children and women's rights, health care for the uninsured and has served with great distinction in every job she has taken on. She has been the target of unfair attacks by the Republicans for years. She is one of us. We must rally to her support.
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I believe Sanders to be a decent and good man, and that he will endorse Clinton, and hope that his followers can see as clearly as he can why to do so. I like Bernie, but in a view of the large number of voters needed to overcome the republican nominee, have felt and still do that Clinton really has the better chance to win the general. It's also the reason that unfortunately, the money is needed that she's gotten for that purpose. We can't have the wolves in the house and argue much more about how to fight them.
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Far too many Sanders supporters have bought into the 25-year smear campaign waged by the GOP. The refusal to back Clinton should Sanders lose would all but guarantee a Trump win. That would lead to another GOP-constructed disaster for the US. Think of the Nader campaign, which allowed the intellectually impaired warmonger GW Bush to win.
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I simply will not vote for someone for whom I have absolutely no respect. And neither should anyone else.
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Can someone explain to me how Trump gets away with saying he is self funded while he literally stands in front of a sign asking for donations ?
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Trump, more illusion than substance, has not self-funded since October and even then he merely loaned his campaign about $1.5 million which he will get back. He has run on free media coverage.
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He does it by doing it. Are you comparing him to Hillary Clinton? Okay give it your best shot.
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He's loaned his campaign over $18 million dollars.
His campaign is farther in debt than all other campaigns combined.
His campaign is farther in debt than all other campaigns combined.
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I'm with Bernie until the convention. I'll send him another contribution tonight. If he doesn't win, I will join the 40% or so of voters who say they will consider a third party candidate if Clinton and Trump are the nominees.
The two party system is failing. 40% of voters belong to neither party. The two likely nominees have the highest negative ratings among the candidates. Voters will quite likely have a choice between a neoconservative and a racist.
For progressive-minded voters who refuse to be complicit with the regime-change program of Hillary Clinton, it's time for creative thinking. Our two party system is not the only democratic political structure.
The two party system is failing. 40% of voters belong to neither party. The two likely nominees have the highest negative ratings among the candidates. Voters will quite likely have a choice between a neoconservative and a racist.
For progressive-minded voters who refuse to be complicit with the regime-change program of Hillary Clinton, it's time for creative thinking. Our two party system is not the only democratic political structure.
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We need a Ralph Nader! Didn't it work out great last time?
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Not voting for Clinton, in the general, means we get a TP/GOP, unqualified, misogynist, xenophobic, faux-Christian, anti-worker, anti-environment President. Nope~not OK!!!
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And again, Democrats will hand the election to the Republicans. If you would spend your energies on campaigning for Democratic reps and senators, national and state, your interests would be better served. We have a two party system, and the math says that the splintered party loses. Congress makes the laws that affect us; I wish more people would remember this as they get all caught up in the Presidential races.
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Remove your sports writers and editors from your political coverage!