Whatever one thinks of Donald Trump he has struck a chord with voters and has a right to be heard as the other candidates are. Freedom of speech has always been treasured in the US, and the organised protestors who attempt to break up his speeches are denying him that precious right. Have Americans forgotten that famous adage by de Tocqueville at the time of the founding of your country: 'I may not agree with what you say, but I defend to the death your RIGHT to say it. ' The US people vote for the President, and no party leaders or a sensationalist media can deny delegates their right of choice. Don't lose your way America, we need you too much.
To Clinton supporters: now that she's closing in on the nomination, don't forget that she will lose in November unless today's Sanders supporters vote for her & get their friends to vote for her.
Even as we face this challenge, the GOP propaganda operation will be doing everything in its power--which is considerable--to get Sanders supporters to stay home in November.
They will try to turn their disappointed idealism into depressed cynicism, or, even worse, third party-ism--which would have the same effect on this election that Nader's quixotic crusade had on the 2000 election.
So be nice! We're all Democrats. No other Democrats are the enemy--& for that matter, hard as it may be to swallow, no other Republican voters are the enemy.
I've been married to a rock-solid conservative Republican for over 30 years, & in that time I've gotten to know hundreds of other Republicans whose politics I reject, but who are, as a group, good, honest people. I think they've fallen prey to demagogues, but reserve your ire for the demagogues.
Even Trump's supporters have a legitimate beef: they are mostly people whose middle class status has been taken from them by outsourcing and workplace automation. The GOP desperately wants them to not realize that we have more to offer them, but honestly, no one has directly addressed their situation.
To Sanders supporters: forget the candidates, look at the position. We need a Democrat in the White House. Three words: Supreme Court justices.
Even as we face this challenge, the GOP propaganda operation will be doing everything in its power--which is considerable--to get Sanders supporters to stay home in November.
They will try to turn their disappointed idealism into depressed cynicism, or, even worse, third party-ism--which would have the same effect on this election that Nader's quixotic crusade had on the 2000 election.
So be nice! We're all Democrats. No other Democrats are the enemy--& for that matter, hard as it may be to swallow, no other Republican voters are the enemy.
I've been married to a rock-solid conservative Republican for over 30 years, & in that time I've gotten to know hundreds of other Republicans whose politics I reject, but who are, as a group, good, honest people. I think they've fallen prey to demagogues, but reserve your ire for the demagogues.
Even Trump's supporters have a legitimate beef: they are mostly people whose middle class status has been taken from them by outsourcing and workplace automation. The GOP desperately wants them to not realize that we have more to offer them, but honestly, no one has directly addressed their situation.
To Sanders supporters: forget the candidates, look at the position. We need a Democrat in the White House. Three words: Supreme Court justices.
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It's great to see Hillary's victories in the all-important uber-swing states of Florida and Ohio. On to New York, Pennsylvania, Virginia and then out West to the big enchilada California. See you in Philadelphia Hillary.
DD
Manhattan
DD
Manhattan
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Sad to see Hillary winning in the Democratic primaries.
I'm convinced, based on her past, if elected she would involve us in an unnecessary military action soon after taking office because she's be eager to prove to the world she's 'tough' enough to be Commander In Chief. After her support for the Iraq War and Syrian military intervention, she's proven her hawkishness. In that, she would be a terrible successor to the thoughtful peace-loving Obama.
After using unfair tactics to ensure Hillary would be the democratic nominee, the DNC is winning their battle to force her on us. They should know - almost 1/2 of the Democratic voters rejects Hillary.
The DNC should know Bernie's supporters will working to wrest the party from their control so the corrupt elite currently running things - Wall Street cronies & Super Delegates who use their power & influence to ensure Democrats remain the party of Wall Street/corporate interests - will take the Democratic party away from you and return it to the people. Never again will you fix the nomination of our party before a single primary has occurred or a single citizen has voted.
I hope Debbie Wasserman Schultz hears me. This party is going to be taken away from her ilk so progressives have a real choice 4 years from now.
Donald Trump will likely be the next president. The DNC will bear much blame for forcing the Democrats to nominate a corrupt, lying, hawkish woman rejected by nearly half the party.
The future is with us.
I'm convinced, based on her past, if elected she would involve us in an unnecessary military action soon after taking office because she's be eager to prove to the world she's 'tough' enough to be Commander In Chief. After her support for the Iraq War and Syrian military intervention, she's proven her hawkishness. In that, she would be a terrible successor to the thoughtful peace-loving Obama.
After using unfair tactics to ensure Hillary would be the democratic nominee, the DNC is winning their battle to force her on us. They should know - almost 1/2 of the Democratic voters rejects Hillary.
The DNC should know Bernie's supporters will working to wrest the party from their control so the corrupt elite currently running things - Wall Street cronies & Super Delegates who use their power & influence to ensure Democrats remain the party of Wall Street/corporate interests - will take the Democratic party away from you and return it to the people. Never again will you fix the nomination of our party before a single primary has occurred or a single citizen has voted.
I hope Debbie Wasserman Schultz hears me. This party is going to be taken away from her ilk so progressives have a real choice 4 years from now.
Donald Trump will likely be the next president. The DNC will bear much blame for forcing the Democrats to nominate a corrupt, lying, hawkish woman rejected by nearly half the party.
The future is with us.
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@fast
If indeed Donald Trump wins, like you seem to think -- there will be no need for Debbie Wasserman Schultz, or anybody else to hear you. Because there won't be a future.
Another thing. Easy math --- You might want to take a quick look at the Primary results. Doesn't look like 50% of the Democratic voters reject Hillary like you say. Sorry. Sour Grapes.
If indeed Donald Trump wins, like you seem to think -- there will be no need for Debbie Wasserman Schultz, or anybody else to hear you. Because there won't be a future.
Another thing. Easy math --- You might want to take a quick look at the Primary results. Doesn't look like 50% of the Democratic voters reject Hillary like you say. Sorry. Sour Grapes.
You say "almost 1/2 of the Democratic voters rejects Hillary."
Which means--let me do some math in my head now--more than 1/2 of the Democratic voters accept Hillary.
Get it? If not, look up "democracy."
Which means--let me do some math in my head now--more than 1/2 of the Democratic voters accept Hillary.
Get it? If not, look up "democracy."
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Dear F and F:
As a lifelong Dem of half a century and member of the DNC I believe your utter devotion to the ineffective Independent Senator from Vermont shows a blatant ignorance on your part and a lack of knowledge about your revered candidate.
The old coot has been harping on this same tirade since he was the mayor of little old Burlington. Corporate greed and all that jazz was fine song and dance until Ben and Jerry's staked out of piece of property and Sanders was more than happy to give these multi-millionaires the keys to the city. So much for the democratic socialist, huh? A bit hypocritical, no?
Anyone with half a brain in Vermont could fill you in on Sanders shenanigans. They are all too familiar with his shtick. Sanders has a slew of speeches on tape with pro-Communist anti-American theme which he has hurled against corporate greed for decades. The RNC is holding these in abeyance should by some slim chance he might win the nomination. But, no worries, he won't.
Sanders as is Trump are the new shiny objects to many who don't follow politics. But as the months are passing his same old same shtick wears thin. But, it's almost over, except for those who don't know it yet.
Hang in there. It won't be long
DD
Manhattan
As a lifelong Dem of half a century and member of the DNC I believe your utter devotion to the ineffective Independent Senator from Vermont shows a blatant ignorance on your part and a lack of knowledge about your revered candidate.
The old coot has been harping on this same tirade since he was the mayor of little old Burlington. Corporate greed and all that jazz was fine song and dance until Ben and Jerry's staked out of piece of property and Sanders was more than happy to give these multi-millionaires the keys to the city. So much for the democratic socialist, huh? A bit hypocritical, no?
Anyone with half a brain in Vermont could fill you in on Sanders shenanigans. They are all too familiar with his shtick. Sanders has a slew of speeches on tape with pro-Communist anti-American theme which he has hurled against corporate greed for decades. The RNC is holding these in abeyance should by some slim chance he might win the nomination. But, no worries, he won't.
Sanders as is Trump are the new shiny objects to many who don't follow politics. But as the months are passing his same old same shtick wears thin. But, it's almost over, except for those who don't know it yet.
Hang in there. It won't be long
DD
Manhattan
Well well well what a grand evening for Hillary tonight. Florida and Ohio, the ultimate uber-swing states are in Hillary's column. Well done. Hillary of late has refrained from mentioning her primary opponent, and so will I. It is finally time to pivot to the locking up the nomination shortly and get ready for the Philadelphia convention in July.
From then on it's toe to toe with the billionaire demagogue, that is if by some slim chance the Republicans can prevent the Fascist Trump from winning the nomination. We shall see.
Kasich has been declared the victor in his home state. He beat the Trumpster and that is a good thing. There is still some sanity left in the GOP I guess. Some, not a lot.
DD
Manhattan
From then on it's toe to toe with the billionaire demagogue, that is if by some slim chance the Republicans can prevent the Fascist Trump from winning the nomination. We shall see.
Kasich has been declared the victor in his home state. He beat the Trumpster and that is a good thing. There is still some sanity left in the GOP I guess. Some, not a lot.
DD
Manhattan
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Its not over yet.
Dear Joe:
Oh no, not yet. But it's pretty close.
As old Ed Murrow said in signing off:
Good night and good luck.
DD
Manhattan
Oh no, not yet. But it's pretty close.
As old Ed Murrow said in signing off:
Good night and good luck.
DD
Manhattan
All you millennial's urge Sanders to continue on there are still states to come he can nip at her heels .
Then we can pull off and create an independent party. Urge Senator Sanders to create an independent party America must change .
Donald Trump is going to take super PAC money. He is duping his followers.
The political parties must be broken down if we are going to get change in your lifetimes and your children's lifetimes .
And no HRC supporters I am not a Republican which is why I will not vote for HRC. I have been a progressive and a Democrat almost all of my voting life .
Do not support the oligarchs! My vote is the last power I have and I am not giving it to another oligarch !
Then we can pull off and create an independent party. Urge Senator Sanders to create an independent party America must change .
Donald Trump is going to take super PAC money. He is duping his followers.
The political parties must be broken down if we are going to get change in your lifetimes and your children's lifetimes .
And no HRC supporters I am not a Republican which is why I will not vote for HRC. I have been a progressive and a Democrat almost all of my voting life .
Do not support the oligarchs! My vote is the last power I have and I am not giving it to another oligarch !
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@Joe
No disrespect, but this is one of the most desperate posts I have ever come across.
You might want to think about what you are urging people to do. It could possibly result in a win for Donald Trump -- the ultimate Oligarch.
No disrespect, but this is one of the most desperate posts I have ever come across.
You might want to think about what you are urging people to do. It could possibly result in a win for Donald Trump -- the ultimate Oligarch.
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If it had not been for Trump, perhaps we would have been watching the most lethargic presidential elections in history at one of the most crucial times for the present and future vision of our Nation. He woke us up. Woke us up in different ways, I will add, but he is so awful that I have to laugh.
Now. There are two revolutions to my mind taking place during the far greater 'Technological' one. Bernie Sanders, a visionary, with a broad scope of proposals that make common sense, giving us hope and a feeling of renewal. The other is the one with fists that we witnessed in Chicago the other day, 'The Real America' and the way we are feeling.
Two 'Revolutionaries', and if someone were to tell you: 'He reaches out to many of us and is not afraid to tell us the truth or the ways things are', is that person speaking of Trump, or Sanders?
May the best man win, as the popular saying goes, and to Hillary Clinton, a courageous woman, a large and generous bouquet of Shamrocks. She is proving to be quite remarkable.
Now. There are two revolutions to my mind taking place during the far greater 'Technological' one. Bernie Sanders, a visionary, with a broad scope of proposals that make common sense, giving us hope and a feeling of renewal. The other is the one with fists that we witnessed in Chicago the other day, 'The Real America' and the way we are feeling.
Two 'Revolutionaries', and if someone were to tell you: 'He reaches out to many of us and is not afraid to tell us the truth or the ways things are', is that person speaking of Trump, or Sanders?
May the best man win, as the popular saying goes, and to Hillary Clinton, a courageous woman, a large and generous bouquet of Shamrocks. She is proving to be quite remarkable.
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She will lose. They know this.
"Now, if only America could adjust to two new concepts, social democracy and universal healthcare, and one as old as the species, concern for the biosphere, Bernie would make the most forward-looking septuagenarian president ever. "
That hopeful thought, put forward here nine hours ago, turns out to be wishful thinking on the part of this northern social democrat . I've no idea where rationality ends and where fear and anger take over in the "communication age," anymore, and that's an uncomfortable feeling as one looks, tonight, for evidence of reasoning at work .
That hopeful thought, put forward here nine hours ago, turns out to be wishful thinking on the part of this northern social democrat . I've no idea where rationality ends and where fear and anger take over in the "communication age," anymore, and that's an uncomfortable feeling as one looks, tonight, for evidence of reasoning at work .
The Republican voter base has been conned into blaming 'those others' for everything they feel is wrong with their lives, and conned into voting for the very political party that comprises the actual criminals. The tired excuses of “Blame the DemoRATS” or “Blame the mainstream media” or the childish “Blame Obama” simply don’t cover the facts; they never have. And the GOP is now trying to blame Obama for the rise of Trump.
But you can't DO anything about it until the folks who have been suckered finally realize that they HAVE been suckered and have BEEN suckered right along for decades. Not something to be proud of now, is it? Especially for those who have been rocked to sleep every night secure in the whispered promises of their GOP protector that only the Republican Party is the ‘Source of All Truth and Goodness’, never thinking to question just when will they ever arrive at the Promised Land Flowing With Milk and Honey? It might take a while. Because they've gotten used to having predigested ‘facts’ spooned into their open mouths while they sincerely believe they’re receiving God’s Own Truth As Heard by Bill O’Reilly, et. al.
Oh yeah, deprogramming the brainwashed takes a loooong time. And I doubt this country can withstand another dose of GOP.... Let's make sure it doesn't happen.
But you can't DO anything about it until the folks who have been suckered finally realize that they HAVE been suckered and have BEEN suckered right along for decades. Not something to be proud of now, is it? Especially for those who have been rocked to sleep every night secure in the whispered promises of their GOP protector that only the Republican Party is the ‘Source of All Truth and Goodness’, never thinking to question just when will they ever arrive at the Promised Land Flowing With Milk and Honey? It might take a while. Because they've gotten used to having predigested ‘facts’ spooned into their open mouths while they sincerely believe they’re receiving God’s Own Truth As Heard by Bill O’Reilly, et. al.
Oh yeah, deprogramming the brainwashed takes a loooong time. And I doubt this country can withstand another dose of GOP.... Let's make sure it doesn't happen.
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Some of Bernie Sanders' strongest supporters include--surprise--the Republican Party.
As this MSNBC article details, GOP-related PACs have actually run ads in key states such as Nevada & Iowa to try to help Sanders get the Democratic nomination:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republicans-offer-unsolicited-su...
So don't assume that the next comment you read in a major publication denouncing Clinton while thumping the tub for Sanders is coming from a Democrat--especially the ones who say if Clinton wins the nomination they won't vote.
But why would the GOP be covertly trying to help Sanders get the nomination? Don't the polls show he'd do better against likely GOP nominees?
GOP strategists know better. The GOP's propaganda firepower--expertly crafted & lavishly funded--has been blasting away at Clinton while largely leaving Sanders untouched.
But of course the moment Sanders got the nomination all the oppo research they've been doing on him would suddenly fill the airwaves & comment threads & websites & newspapers.
Clinton has been dealing with GOP attacks for over 20 years. She's shown she can deal. Sanders has been safe in his Vermont seat all that time, making one symbolic vote after another--earning him the Lugar Center rating as one of the two most partisan Senators in 2015 (along with Ted Cruz)--that is, the one least likely to reach across the aisle to get something done.
As he'd need to do as President..
As this MSNBC article details, GOP-related PACs have actually run ads in key states such as Nevada & Iowa to try to help Sanders get the Democratic nomination:
http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/republicans-offer-unsolicited-su...
So don't assume that the next comment you read in a major publication denouncing Clinton while thumping the tub for Sanders is coming from a Democrat--especially the ones who say if Clinton wins the nomination they won't vote.
But why would the GOP be covertly trying to help Sanders get the nomination? Don't the polls show he'd do better against likely GOP nominees?
GOP strategists know better. The GOP's propaganda firepower--expertly crafted & lavishly funded--has been blasting away at Clinton while largely leaving Sanders untouched.
But of course the moment Sanders got the nomination all the oppo research they've been doing on him would suddenly fill the airwaves & comment threads & websites & newspapers.
Clinton has been dealing with GOP attacks for over 20 years. She's shown she can deal. Sanders has been safe in his Vermont seat all that time, making one symbolic vote after another--earning him the Lugar Center rating as one of the two most partisan Senators in 2015 (along with Ted Cruz)--that is, the one least likely to reach across the aisle to get something done.
As he'd need to do as President..
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Sanders has been 'safe in his Vermont seat' while Hillary has used the connections she made in government to rake in tens of millions of dollars in speaking fees from Wall Street buddies. If that doesn't bother you, something's seriously wrong.
signed, a Democrat
signed, a Democrat
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NEWSFLASH. That 'Wall Street' trope is wearing thin by now.
Not only that, your accusations only indicate a lack of original thought...and that, if anything should bother you.
Not only that, your accusations only indicate a lack of original thought...and that, if anything should bother you.
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Dear F and F:
More anti-Hillary propaganda. It's not working. In fact it only makes her upcoming victory in New York next month inevitable. Of course you're too blinded by the socialist light.
DD
Manhattan
More anti-Hillary propaganda. It's not working. In fact it only makes her upcoming victory in New York next month inevitable. Of course you're too blinded by the socialist light.
DD
Manhattan
Stop using false equivalency to compare two people who are totally different.
Whoa, what's with the sudden flurry of pro-Clinton posts over the last 90 minutes or so? Is the campaign worried about something?
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@Bubble
It just might be that they're finally getting through and past all the pro-Sanders comments. No problem. That's how Democracy works.
It just might be that they're finally getting through and past all the pro-Sanders comments. No problem. That's how Democracy works.
You must be the type that invents all manner of dark conspiracies everywhere you look. There are medications to help but you have to admit to yourself that you've got some deep seated emotional issues. Are you up to the challenge?
Corrected response to Dana,
There is no way in the world that Bernie can be compared to Hillary Clinton.
Mr. Sanders is simply incapable of doing any of the nefarious, and downright dishonest, and truly evil things she has done to improve her position in life.
She cares not one whit about the welfare and well-being of any of the people, as has been shown repeatedly, in her public life, as the NY Senator, as the Secretary of State, as Bill Clinton's wife in the White House, and when she was the first lady in Arkansas.
From her cattle futures deal, her Whitewater shenanigans, her friend Vincent Fosters' unsolved murder during the Whitewater investigation, her failure during her term in NY, to accomplish anything of substance, except for two post office namings, her deliberate use of an unsecured private email account, to transmit and discuss secret government matters, the murders in Benghazi during her stint as Secretary of State, and subsequent cover-up, her outrageous fees for speeches to Goldman Sachs, and other architects of the worldwide financial collapse, etc., etc., her existence has exclusively been for herself.
In fact, the very idea that she is running to be our next President, endorsed by so many of the power elites, is a crystal clear indictment of the establishment she represents.
It is disgraceful that an honest human being, such as Bernie Sanders, is in the same arena as a known possible felon.
There is no way in the world that Bernie can be compared to Hillary Clinton.
Mr. Sanders is simply incapable of doing any of the nefarious, and downright dishonest, and truly evil things she has done to improve her position in life.
She cares not one whit about the welfare and well-being of any of the people, as has been shown repeatedly, in her public life, as the NY Senator, as the Secretary of State, as Bill Clinton's wife in the White House, and when she was the first lady in Arkansas.
From her cattle futures deal, her Whitewater shenanigans, her friend Vincent Fosters' unsolved murder during the Whitewater investigation, her failure during her term in NY, to accomplish anything of substance, except for two post office namings, her deliberate use of an unsecured private email account, to transmit and discuss secret government matters, the murders in Benghazi during her stint as Secretary of State, and subsequent cover-up, her outrageous fees for speeches to Goldman Sachs, and other architects of the worldwide financial collapse, etc., etc., her existence has exclusively been for herself.
In fact, the very idea that she is running to be our next President, endorsed by so many of the power elites, is a crystal clear indictment of the establishment she represents.
It is disgraceful that an honest human being, such as Bernie Sanders, is in the same arena as a known possible felon.
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Interesting that while you pose as a Democrat who supports Senator Sanders, everything you say about Secretary Clinton comes from Fox News talking points--talking points rebutted by nonpatisan fact checking sources such as Politifact.com and FactCheck.org.
And also rebutted by the voters of New York State, who re-elected her by a wider margin than the one she won by first time around.
Your denunciation of Secretary Clinton is so extreme one can only assume you would prefer Donald J. Trump or Ted Cruz to be President of the United states than Clinton--that you'd prefer the Supreme Court to get a hard-right majority for the next generation--that you'd rather see the Koch brothers and their cronies capture all three branches of the federal government and rapidly undo the social safety net--with SCOTUS approval--and of course take no action of any sort about climate change, which both Trump and Cruz have declared to be a hoax.
Hard to fathom how any member of the Democratic Party could hate one democratic politician so much as to want to see every plank of the Democratic platform chopped up and used for firewood rather than see her win.
Good thing the Republican Party is so virtuous and aboveboard that it's impossible to think you might be a GOP operative who's just pretending to be a Sanders supporter because the GOP obviously wants to face Sanders in November rather than Clinton (as shown by Republican advertising and what GOP--er, FOX--talk show hosts say).
And also rebutted by the voters of New York State, who re-elected her by a wider margin than the one she won by first time around.
Your denunciation of Secretary Clinton is so extreme one can only assume you would prefer Donald J. Trump or Ted Cruz to be President of the United states than Clinton--that you'd prefer the Supreme Court to get a hard-right majority for the next generation--that you'd rather see the Koch brothers and their cronies capture all three branches of the federal government and rapidly undo the social safety net--with SCOTUS approval--and of course take no action of any sort about climate change, which both Trump and Cruz have declared to be a hoax.
Hard to fathom how any member of the Democratic Party could hate one democratic politician so much as to want to see every plank of the Democratic platform chopped up and used for firewood rather than see her win.
Good thing the Republican Party is so virtuous and aboveboard that it's impossible to think you might be a GOP operative who's just pretending to be a Sanders supporter because the GOP obviously wants to face Sanders in November rather than Clinton (as shown by Republican advertising and what GOP--er, FOX--talk show hosts say).
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@Kay Johnson
I never agree with your comments but your
"So at least the people of Vermont feel it, whatever that is" was great. Thank you for a good laugh
I never agree with your comments but your
"So at least the people of Vermont feel it, whatever that is" was great. Thank you for a good laugh
Yes thanks to hrc and corrupt media and selfish women trump or other will win.
Coal is burned 90% cleaner(and then 90% cleaner than that) than it was 50 years ago and improvement can continue. Problem is Feds don't have the heart to shut down small plants without expensive cleanup equipment. Water table in Texas, Oklahoma is diminishing and fracking nat gas is far from benign. Renewables still represent a miniscule amount of power. Mines in Illinois are as cheap as coal was 40 years ago.
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The violence flaring out at Hair Trump’s campaign rallies is no accident and no surprise. The only surprise is that it took this long to erupt. His campaign has been fueled by hate from the start, ever since he called all Mexican immigrants rapists and criminals, then demeaned Muslims, women, the media and others.
Trump is smart enough to know the images that he evokes. He knows he is evoking fascist symbolism when he asks supporters at campaign rallies to raise their right arms and pledge to vote for him.
Trump himself refuses to take any responsibility for the violence, nor is he making any effort to tone it down, insisting he’s a “uniter,” not a divider. His supporters, meanwhile, are quick to blame anybody but Trump: the protesters themselves, the media — even Bernie Sanders.
A few Trump supporters condemn the protesters as “racists” and “bigots.”
Baloney. The biggest racist and bigot at Trump rallies is Trump. There’s been no such violence at campaign events for any other candidate - Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, Hillary and Bernie.
It's only happening at Trump rallies. Why? Because he enflames and incites it. We’ve all heard him do so.
This is the man who has boasted he’d like to personally punch a protester in the face, who taunts, ridicules and verbally assaults protesters at his events. He says he’d like to see some of those protesters carried out on a stretcher.
Words have consequences.
Only Trump is responsible for the violence.
Trump is smart enough to know the images that he evokes. He knows he is evoking fascist symbolism when he asks supporters at campaign rallies to raise their right arms and pledge to vote for him.
Trump himself refuses to take any responsibility for the violence, nor is he making any effort to tone it down, insisting he’s a “uniter,” not a divider. His supporters, meanwhile, are quick to blame anybody but Trump: the protesters themselves, the media — even Bernie Sanders.
A few Trump supporters condemn the protesters as “racists” and “bigots.”
Baloney. The biggest racist and bigot at Trump rallies is Trump. There’s been no such violence at campaign events for any other candidate - Cruz, Rubio, Kasich, Hillary and Bernie.
It's only happening at Trump rallies. Why? Because he enflames and incites it. We’ve all heard him do so.
This is the man who has boasted he’d like to personally punch a protester in the face, who taunts, ridicules and verbally assaults protesters at his events. He says he’d like to see some of those protesters carried out on a stretcher.
Words have consequences.
Only Trump is responsible for the violence.
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And isn't it funny that Trump supporters are not going to Sanders or Clinton rallies and engaging in this same behavior? Why is that? Do you actually believe that these protests against Trump are not planned? Who organizes these protests? MoveOn.Org And who funds them? George Soros. And would they happen if Trump wasn't leading in the polls?
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My takeaway from this article, the comments and the election coverage in general is that Ms. Clinton double talks and panders while Mr. Sanders is politically savvy and strategic. That's the gender bias
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If Clinton had decided to be a Democrat 5 minutes ago instead of an Independent so to use the $$$ and infrastructure available to a major party, like Bernie just did, she would be called every name in the book. The Sanders people, had they been regular old Dems would've been hollering to high heavens.
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I love hearing all of these anti-trade, anti-corporatists rail against Hillary's acceptance of trade and corporations using devices that were made abroad and bought and produced by corporations.
The hypocrisy of the anarchists on this board is so revealing.
If you hate trade, and you have corporations, ditch that computer and voice your opinion on the street corner, like they did back when America was "Great Again"
The hypocrisy of the anarchists on this board is so revealing.
If you hate trade, and you have corporations, ditch that computer and voice your opinion on the street corner, like they did back when America was "Great Again"
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@soyer
Great suggestion. But that means they might have to remove those anti-trade, corporate earplugs first. So easy to an armchair anarchist.
Great suggestion. But that means they might have to remove those anti-trade, corporate earplugs first. So easy to an armchair anarchist.
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Fran,
What we really have here is a failure on the part of Hillary and her handlers, to communicate to the people that she is not the reincarnation of Boss Tweed, backed by the modern-day iteration of Tammany Hall, the wholly corrupt Democratic political machine of the late 1800's that ran NYC.
In fact I personally believe, considering the hundreds of millions of dollars she has accumulated, and the nationwide reach of her corrupt reincarnation, Boss Tweed would be afraid to be in the same room with her.
Curiously her resume is quite similar to his.
See excerpt and link for an interesting read -
"It's hard not to admire the skill behind Tweed's system ... The Tweed ring at its height was an engineering marvel, strong and solid, strategically deployed to control key power points: the courts, the legislature, the treasury and the ballot box. Its frauds had a grandeur of scale and an elegance of structure: money-laundering, profit sharing and organization."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed
What we really have here is a failure on the part of Hillary and her handlers, to communicate to the people that she is not the reincarnation of Boss Tweed, backed by the modern-day iteration of Tammany Hall, the wholly corrupt Democratic political machine of the late 1800's that ran NYC.
In fact I personally believe, considering the hundreds of millions of dollars she has accumulated, and the nationwide reach of her corrupt reincarnation, Boss Tweed would be afraid to be in the same room with her.
Curiously her resume is quite similar to his.
See excerpt and link for an interesting read -
"It's hard not to admire the skill behind Tweed's system ... The Tweed ring at its height was an engineering marvel, strong and solid, strategically deployed to control key power points: the courts, the legislature, the treasury and the ballot box. Its frauds had a grandeur of scale and an elegance of structure: money-laundering, profit sharing and organization."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_M._Tweed
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This will be Rubio's final primary run and perhaps will mark the end of his political career. I say this because I listened to an interview with the mayor of Tampa who, when asked his opinion of Rubio, said he had never met the man. This from the mayor of a major Florida city. Rubio needs to take some time building relationships and goodwill in his home state before he seeks to take on the presidency.
As for the other candidates, I expect Bernie Sanders will surprise no one when he wins the majority in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois, and Trump will likely take the other states, with the exception of North Carolina (maybe). It continues to be a wild ride.
As for the other candidates, I expect Bernie Sanders will surprise no one when he wins the majority in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois, and Trump will likely take the other states, with the exception of North Carolina (maybe). It continues to be a wild ride.
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@Kelly
I think Sanders will surprise A LOT of people if wins the majority in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois....and I will be one of them.
I think Sanders will surprise A LOT of people if wins the majority in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois....and I will be one of them.
"Bernie Sanders is running a great campaign, and he’s talking about issues that resonate,” Mr. Ryan said. But, he added, “those Bernie Sanders voters will be a heck of a lot more comfortable coming home to Hillary Clinton than they are with Donald Trump.” Wrong Tim. Just take some time to speak to those Bernie supporters, most of whom are young 18 to 35 year olds. If Hillary's the nominee, they just won't vote.
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@Coats
ERGO: NOT VOTING = DONALD TRUMP
This kind of logic speaks volumes about the Messenger and the message.
ERGO: NOT VOTING = DONALD TRUMP
This kind of logic speaks volumes about the Messenger and the message.
In 65 and I will find it hard to vote for the woman who supported the war in Iraq. It is so sad that so many Democrats do not understand just how much of a disaster iraq was and remains. Now the US is engaged in multiple STUPID wars, from Iraq to Syria, Yemen and Libya. Voting for Hillary is committing one continuous and massive war crime!!
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@ValDere
First. You do yourself a great disservice by making such gross generalizations, especially when it comes to the war in Iraq (which was started by a Republican President!!!) And please, don't start denouncing this country when it comes to "STUPID" wars, because France isn't exactly a shining example of propriety either....Anyway, can you even vote in U.S. elections???
First. You do yourself a great disservice by making such gross generalizations, especially when it comes to the war in Iraq (which was started by a Republican President!!!) And please, don't start denouncing this country when it comes to "STUPID" wars, because France isn't exactly a shining example of propriety either....Anyway, can you even vote in U.S. elections???
The sexism that permeates every single aspect of the Democratic primary is unbearable. The language in this article and comments regarding Ms. Clinton is absurd and so full of gender bias. Words like "entitled," "dishonest," and "calculating" are thrown around about Ms. Clinton. No men have been called "entitled" though all the male candidates feel beyond entitled to be President. But an ambitious woman somehow rubs so many wrong? Was Mr. Sanders not calculating when after a life time of being an Independent he ran now as a Democrat? Or when a man changes his mind, alters a position or plays politics - he's strategic. The female candidate is the dishonest witch.
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Dana,
There is no way in the world that Bernie can be compared to Hillary Clinton.
Mr. Sanders is simply incapable of doing any of the nefarious, and often downright dishonest, and truly evil things she has done to improve her position in life.
She cares not one whit about the welfare and wellbeing of any of the people, as has been shown repeatedly, in her public life, as the NY Senator, as the Secretary of State, as Bill Clintons wife in the White House, and when she was the first lady in Arizona.
From her cattle futures deal, her Whitewater shenanigans, her friend Vincent Fosters' unsolved murder during the Whitewater investigation, her failure during her term in NY, to accomplish anything of substance, except for two post office namings, her deliberate use of an unsecured private email account, to transmit and discuss secret government matters, the murders in Bengazi during her stint as Secretary of State, her outrageous fees for speeches to Goldman Sachs, and other architects of the worldwide financial collapse, etc., etc., her existence has exclusively been for herself.
In fact, the very idea that she is running to be our next President, endorsed by so many of the power elites, is a crystal indictment of the establishment she represents.
It is disgraceful that an honest human being, such as Sanders, is in the same arena as a known possible felon.
There is no way in the world that Bernie can be compared to Hillary Clinton.
Mr. Sanders is simply incapable of doing any of the nefarious, and often downright dishonest, and truly evil things she has done to improve her position in life.
She cares not one whit about the welfare and wellbeing of any of the people, as has been shown repeatedly, in her public life, as the NY Senator, as the Secretary of State, as Bill Clintons wife in the White House, and when she was the first lady in Arizona.
From her cattle futures deal, her Whitewater shenanigans, her friend Vincent Fosters' unsolved murder during the Whitewater investigation, her failure during her term in NY, to accomplish anything of substance, except for two post office namings, her deliberate use of an unsecured private email account, to transmit and discuss secret government matters, the murders in Bengazi during her stint as Secretary of State, her outrageous fees for speeches to Goldman Sachs, and other architects of the worldwide financial collapse, etc., etc., her existence has exclusively been for herself.
In fact, the very idea that she is running to be our next President, endorsed by so many of the power elites, is a crystal indictment of the establishment she represents.
It is disgraceful that an honest human being, such as Sanders, is in the same arena as a known possible felon.
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@Farrell
Really. All this name-calling is doing nothing to make Mr. Sanders appear more salient. If anything, it only strengthens a pro-Trump camp that could optimize on any division within the Democratic Party.
If there is more mature way of expressing your view, I sincerely hope you find it.
Really. All this name-calling is doing nothing to make Mr. Sanders appear more salient. If anything, it only strengthens a pro-Trump camp that could optimize on any division within the Democratic Party.
If there is more mature way of expressing your view, I sincerely hope you find it.
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If Sanders believes that Washington is broken why has he stayed there for 25 years? He can't be that frustrated based on years there
Sanders has been in politics 35 years
Mayor of Burlington Vermont
April 6. 1981--April 9, 1989
House of Representatives from Vermont's at large district
January 3, 1991-January 3, 2007
Elected to the US Senate where he has served from
January 3, 2007
Sanders is a professional politician. He can say what he wants about Washington and the process but he's still been there 25 years. If someone was that upset by the process why stay there so long? I am not buying it. He can also say what he wants about Wall Street but how is Sanders going to get Congress to enact a 45% tax rate on corporations? That's absurd. Does Sanders honestly believe that businesses won't acquire another business or buy back stock to show a negative cash flow and reduce their taxable income? Take their corporate headquarters out of the US? Avon just announced it's moving it's headquarters to the UK. Burget King to Canada? Pfizer merging with a Swiss drug company to reduce it's tax rate? There will be a stampede if he's elected
How can Sanders support a $15 an hour minimum wage when Obama Care cuts reimbursements to doctors 30%? So we're going to tell doctors that their unique skill set that can save lives is now worth 30% less but some guy who flips burgers is worth double what he is now. Remembet that if you need surgery Bernie. That's the twisted logic of a progressive
Sanders has been in politics 35 years
Mayor of Burlington Vermont
April 6. 1981--April 9, 1989
House of Representatives from Vermont's at large district
January 3, 1991-January 3, 2007
Elected to the US Senate where he has served from
January 3, 2007
Sanders is a professional politician. He can say what he wants about Washington and the process but he's still been there 25 years. If someone was that upset by the process why stay there so long? I am not buying it. He can also say what he wants about Wall Street but how is Sanders going to get Congress to enact a 45% tax rate on corporations? That's absurd. Does Sanders honestly believe that businesses won't acquire another business or buy back stock to show a negative cash flow and reduce their taxable income? Take their corporate headquarters out of the US? Avon just announced it's moving it's headquarters to the UK. Burget King to Canada? Pfizer merging with a Swiss drug company to reduce it's tax rate? There will be a stampede if he's elected
How can Sanders support a $15 an hour minimum wage when Obama Care cuts reimbursements to doctors 30%? So we're going to tell doctors that their unique skill set that can save lives is now worth 30% less but some guy who flips burgers is worth double what he is now. Remembet that if you need surgery Bernie. That's the twisted logic of a progressive
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Keep trashing the guy that flips burgers. This is why the Democratic party went off the rails - kowtowing to the moneyed elite at the expense of the working people. This attitude is why Trump will be president - the guy flipping burgers wants somewhere to go and he knows the Democratic party doesn't care about him.
I am a Republican.
Hillary's greater gaffe yesterday was saying that the U.S. "didn't lose a single person in Libya" while she was Secretary of State. Still trying to sweep Benghazi under the carpet.
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@Jrp
Of course you make your point by taking the statement out of context and then jumping to the wrong conclusion. Clinton is no idiot, She knows very well about loosing State Department personnel in Libya.
Of course you make your point by taking the statement out of context and then jumping to the wrong conclusion. Clinton is no idiot, She knows very well about loosing State Department personnel in Libya.
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“Instead of fighting it, get used to it,” ??? This sounds like a rapist talking to his victim. Do his followers not realize it his is off-hand language rather than his scripted commentary that represent the measure of this man??
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Sexism and gender bias shapes every aspect of the democratic primary. To say otherwise is denying ones own bias. The adjectives use do describe Ms Clinton would be comical if not so hurtful. "Entitled" is thrown around a lot at her - ironically not at trump or Cruz. Why? Because they are men so entitlement is simply healthy ambition? Listen to Ms Clinton in her debates and town halls - she is the only candidate that uses tie decidedly "feminine" language of "if I am so lucky" and "should I be so fortunate" "I will try" I can't guarantee". All the men- including the revered Mr sanders bluster about what they can and will do - even though they know it will never happen. Ms clintons circumspect and thoughtful responses resonate with this woman. And I admire her ambition
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Quote from today's article:
“Instead of fighting it, get used to it,” Mr. Trump said.
While authorities are checking into Mr. Cosby's lurid past, they can check up on the kind of behaviors Mister Trump's quote suggests. Rape. Date Rape. Anyone not yet intimidated orbought off willing to come forward?
“Instead of fighting it, get used to it,” Mr. Trump said.
While authorities are checking into Mr. Cosby's lurid past, they can check up on the kind of behaviors Mister Trump's quote suggests. Rape. Date Rape. Anyone not yet intimidated orbought off willing to come forward?
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Trump is efficiently recycling the same smoke he is blowing - one or two sessions of chemo would finish off that coif; doesn't talk policy, only polls and the economics of business OVER and OVER and OVER.
Hillary changes her delivery to audiences depending on location. Here she's for it, there she's against it. Molds her campaign talking points around what concerns voters while not offering solutions and feasible ways to pay for them.
Hillary changes her delivery to audiences depending on location. Here she's for it, there she's against it. Molds her campaign talking points around what concerns voters while not offering solutions and feasible ways to pay for them.
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"The Art of Evisceration" is what Trump's book should have been named, as he takes the electorate's anger and frustration and turns it into a force for destruction, advocating physical violence, bullying, and every ugly, racist, sexist or homophobic thought that supporters embrace.
"It Takes Disingenuity to Raise a Vote" could have been the title of Hillary's book, as she flip-flops on issues, "calls for" on thing or another--rehearsed sound bytes--while her record shows that she supports private prisons, the death penalty and long-term incarceration. The two largest private prison corporations are among her major donors.
She does not support Labor Unions. She was pro-NAFTA. As a board member for Walmart, she was pro-union busting. Her flip-flop on the TPP is a campaign strategy, as her biggest contributors--Monsanto, BigPharma, ConAgra, and others--wrote the TPP. Also huge donors to husband Bill's Clinton Foundation, there is an appearance of conflict of interest.
"Forward to a Better Future" could be the title of a Sanders book. Sanders has demonstrated he can turn anger and frustration into positive action. His record is strongly supportive of progressive stances on labor, women's rights, judicial reform, health care for all, Wall St. regulation, and moreover, he does not have any conflicts of interest or necessity to explain away past "mistakes", like his rival.
It's clear he's the only person who it is safe to vote for, as he's the only one with integrity.
"It Takes Disingenuity to Raise a Vote" could have been the title of Hillary's book, as she flip-flops on issues, "calls for" on thing or another--rehearsed sound bytes--while her record shows that she supports private prisons, the death penalty and long-term incarceration. The two largest private prison corporations are among her major donors.
She does not support Labor Unions. She was pro-NAFTA. As a board member for Walmart, she was pro-union busting. Her flip-flop on the TPP is a campaign strategy, as her biggest contributors--Monsanto, BigPharma, ConAgra, and others--wrote the TPP. Also huge donors to husband Bill's Clinton Foundation, there is an appearance of conflict of interest.
"Forward to a Better Future" could be the title of a Sanders book. Sanders has demonstrated he can turn anger and frustration into positive action. His record is strongly supportive of progressive stances on labor, women's rights, judicial reform, health care for all, Wall St. regulation, and moreover, he does not have any conflicts of interest or necessity to explain away past "mistakes", like his rival.
It's clear he's the only person who it is safe to vote for, as he's the only one with integrity.
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@Lilou
No offense, but your unremitting anti-Clinton trope is becoming mundane.
Can you even vote in the U.S. elections???
No offense, but your unremitting anti-Clinton trope is becoming mundane.
Can you even vote in the U.S. elections???
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@N. Smith, perhaps I, too, have used the repetitive rhetoric that occurs in campaigns. My views are actually more nuanced, and more informed, but there are only so many words one is permitted in the NYT comments section. It was nice receiving a New York Times "pick" yesterday--happily, the editors did not find my ideas so mundane.
Of couse I can vote in the US elections. I won't attack you--not my style--but am assuming you're a Clinton supporter? And that you want her to be President, and not a well-paid lobbyist?
I will be voting for the Dem who gets the nomination.
Of couse I can vote in the US elections. I won't attack you--not my style--but am assuming you're a Clinton supporter? And that you want her to be President, and not a well-paid lobbyist?
I will be voting for the Dem who gets the nomination.
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Well we don't really know yet whether Mr. Sanders "can turn anger and frustration into positive action or not.
We do know that he got a pedestrian area done for downtown Burlington Vt, and he did get the military to keep building the wasteful F-35 that is already obsolete, in Vermont.
So at least Vermont is feeling It, whatever It is.
We do know that he got a pedestrian area done for downtown Burlington Vt, and he did get the military to keep building the wasteful F-35 that is already obsolete, in Vermont.
So at least Vermont is feeling It, whatever It is.
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Hillary sticks her foot in her mouth much like Trump. Anyone notice that it is always a misunderstanding. I'm glad the Bush clan have left the building. Hopefully Hillary and the Arkansas pig boy follows them soon. This country needs new leadership, This country does not need to revisit the Bush or Clinton era.
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Being the oldest male grandchild and being born on my paternal grandfather's birthday, he and I always shared a very special bond. O, how he loved to take me fishing; some 40-years ago his church had a picnic at a nearby lake outside Charlotte, NC, and had a contest for the children offering a blue ribbon to whoever caught the biggest fish that day,
A trout hit my line, scared the beejeezus out of me as I wasn't paying attention... Weighed about 7lb, 3oz, the Blue Ribbon went home with me and the trout back into the lake.
Like many other times when fishing with Paw-Paw, we'd catch and release. Its really a shame we can't catch and release all six candidates vying to become POTUS and leader of the free world...
“There’s a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.”
- Steven Wright
A trout hit my line, scared the beejeezus out of me as I wasn't paying attention... Weighed about 7lb, 3oz, the Blue Ribbon went home with me and the trout back into the lake.
Like many other times when fishing with Paw-Paw, we'd catch and release. Its really a shame we can't catch and release all six candidates vying to become POTUS and leader of the free world...
“There’s a fine line between fishing and just standing on the shore like an idiot.”
- Steven Wright
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Shutting down coal was a politically dumb thing to say, even if ultimately both desirable and true.
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Misanthropic, xenophobic, nationalistic and boorish in manner, qualities that Trump exhibits and what his supporters want. Gone are the Kennedy, Nixon; Buckley, Vidal and Reagan, Carter debates where substance and decorum reigned! But because of factions and a dysfunctional, gridlock congress, Trump is the anti candidate; he is an economic elitist who speaks the common language ensconced in anger, fear and frustration of the American electorate! He is what ordinary citizens wish they can do; in essence to give the proverbial middle finger the the establishment! The debate was frightening, meaningless and gratuitous; not changing the standings or Trump's support... It is the sign of the times that the electorate is feed up and want a pressure value release; Trump is that decompression valve!
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@George Xanich:
"Misanthropic, xenophobic, nationalistic and boorish in manner' are but a few words which liberal invent to apply to those they disagree with it.
This is the kind of name called one hears from children in school yard; not in a serious political discussion, which this NYT article is trying to promote.
Perhaps you can't understand why a Trump supporter, having read posts like yours, is motivated to find more voters for him? Or any Republican, having seen the trash thrown at Trump by the left wing media, finally decides to back Trump? Someone must stop the incessant march of radical liberalism, and Trump appears like he could do it.
"Misanthropic, xenophobic, nationalistic and boorish in manner' are but a few words which liberal invent to apply to those they disagree with it.
This is the kind of name called one hears from children in school yard; not in a serious political discussion, which this NYT article is trying to promote.
Perhaps you can't understand why a Trump supporter, having read posts like yours, is motivated to find more voters for him? Or any Republican, having seen the trash thrown at Trump by the left wing media, finally decides to back Trump? Someone must stop the incessant march of radical liberalism, and Trump appears like he could do it.
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Word as weapons have been deployed by the GOP for 30 plus years, currently resulting in nasty turns to cut itself off at the knees.
Grateful to Bernie for his rejuvenating message. His words resonate with the young, influence Hillary's, and will lead to cumulative improvements.
In the long run, the U.S. will provide common goods, generate jobs, WPA- and CCC-type actions, unions, manufacturing, and making -- did it once, can do it again -- message will overcome enough opposition to find balance. Citizens [dis]United is doomed.
Grateful to Bernie for his rejuvenating message. His words resonate with the young, influence Hillary's, and will lead to cumulative improvements.
In the long run, the U.S. will provide common goods, generate jobs, WPA- and CCC-type actions, unions, manufacturing, and making -- did it once, can do it again -- message will overcome enough opposition to find balance. Citizens [dis]United is doomed.
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The message is clear, the American industrial states are in recession. Regardless of the causes, Bernie's message of Wall Street greed; supressed wages, deregulation of Wall Street and NAFTA ring true to blue collar workers. To them it is a choice that is delineated as follows: on the one hand you have a candidate who has close ties to Wall Street; supported NAFTA, bailed out big banks and sided with credit card companies that opposed bankruptcy rules favoring consumers; on the other you have a candidate who is singular in his message: the cause of the economic problems are rules and regulations supporting the top 1% and a corrupt political finance system........ The choice is clear!?
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@George Xanich:
The message is clear: the American people are sick and tired of the liberal regime for the last seven years. They are angry and looking for someone to remove these liberals from federal government. They know it's the 1% which supports Obama and Hillary, and long for the return of healthy middle class.
The message is clear: the American people are sick and tired of the liberal regime for the last seven years. They are angry and looking for someone to remove these liberals from federal government. They know it's the 1% which supports Obama and Hillary, and long for the return of healthy middle class.
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@rimantas
You just might be a little surprised at how many people don't want to remove Liberals from Federal Government, especially when it means having a Conservative/Republican majority which hasn't done zip to restore the Middle-Class.
You just might be a little surprised at how many people don't want to remove Liberals from Federal Government, especially when it means having a Conservative/Republican majority which hasn't done zip to restore the Middle-Class.
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rimantas: so you think the hundreds of abortion bills were what people voted for when the GOP took the House and Senate?? They ran on Jobs- where are they?
Why has Gov. John Kasich been so overlooked, including by debate moderators? If Sen. Sanders, who has my ardent support, does win the nomination, I will vote for Kasich.
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An error in my original post:
Why has Gov. John Kasich been so overlooked, including by debate moderators? If Sen. Sanders, who has my ardent support, does *NOT*win the nomination, I will vote for Kasich.
Why has Gov. John Kasich been so overlooked, including by debate moderators? If Sen. Sanders, who has my ardent support, does *NOT*win the nomination, I will vote for Kasich.
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Kasich is busy attacking Planned Parenthood, so not that great for women.
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Hillary supports efforts that will not help the middle class or people of color.
She supports private prisons, the death penalty and long-term incarceration. The two largest private prison corporations are among her major donors. In saying, "Superpredators should be brought to heel.", she spoke of black criminals.
She does not support Labor Unions. She was pro-NAFTA. As a board member for Walmart, she was pro-union busting. Her flip-flop on the TPP is a campaign strategy, as her biggest contributors--Monsanto, BigPharma, ConAgra, and others--wrote the TPP. They are also huge donors to husband Bill's Clinton Foundation. There is an appearance of conflict of interest.
Trump touches the same anger and frustration that Bernie does, but Trump turns this energy into a force for destruction. He advocates physical violence, and has strongly supported every ugly racist, sexist and homophobic thought when campaigning, without concern for consequence. He hasn't put forth a single plan, other than "The Wall", in his entire campaign.
Bernie Sanders has demonstrated he can turn anger and frustration into positive action. His record is strongly supportive of progressive stances on labor, women's rights, judicial reform, health care for all, Wall St. regulation, and moreover, he does not have any conflicts of interest or necessity to explain away past "mistakes", like his rival.
It's clear he's the only person who it is safe to vote for, as he's the only one with integrity.
She supports private prisons, the death penalty and long-term incarceration. The two largest private prison corporations are among her major donors. In saying, "Superpredators should be brought to heel.", she spoke of black criminals.
She does not support Labor Unions. She was pro-NAFTA. As a board member for Walmart, she was pro-union busting. Her flip-flop on the TPP is a campaign strategy, as her biggest contributors--Monsanto, BigPharma, ConAgra, and others--wrote the TPP. They are also huge donors to husband Bill's Clinton Foundation. There is an appearance of conflict of interest.
Trump touches the same anger and frustration that Bernie does, but Trump turns this energy into a force for destruction. He advocates physical violence, and has strongly supported every ugly racist, sexist and homophobic thought when campaigning, without concern for consequence. He hasn't put forth a single plan, other than "The Wall", in his entire campaign.
Bernie Sanders has demonstrated he can turn anger and frustration into positive action. His record is strongly supportive of progressive stances on labor, women's rights, judicial reform, health care for all, Wall St. regulation, and moreover, he does not have any conflicts of interest or necessity to explain away past "mistakes", like his rival.
It's clear he's the only person who it is safe to vote for, as he's the only one with integrity.
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"Al Gore is so awkward. He has zero charisma. He's too rich to understand people's problems. Who knows what he'd really do if he won?
There really isn't any difference between him and George Bush.
"Ralph Nader, on the other hand, speaks to me. He's a real no-compromise liberal. So I'm gonna Stick it to the Man and vote for Nader.
"Feel the Ralph!"
--from the Ghost of Elections Past
There really isn't any difference between him and George Bush.
"Ralph Nader, on the other hand, speaks to me. He's a real no-compromise liberal. So I'm gonna Stick it to the Man and vote for Nader.
"Feel the Ralph!"
--from the Ghost of Elections Past
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Ralph Nader was a Green and ran on the Green Party ticket-- a third-party separate from the Democrats. What's your point?
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Oh. My. God. The situations aren't totally identical. Therefore they must be totally different.
You can write coherent English sentences. So you can probably see my point. You just don't want to.
Maybe when Trump or Cruz are President of the United States and several young, vigorous Scalia 2.0s are on the Supreme Court, you will.
Then again, perhaps not. Maybe you'll instead look back to when George McGovern--another pure, idealistic Democrat--ran for President and won in a landslide.
Oh wait. He lost...in a landslide.
But that isn't analagous because it happened decades ago, and he had different hair color, or whatever other differences you can think up to help you sleep at night while the radicalized-for-generations Supreme Court systematically dismantles the social safety net and every environmental protection we now have.
You can write coherent English sentences. So you can probably see my point. You just don't want to.
Maybe when Trump or Cruz are President of the United States and several young, vigorous Scalia 2.0s are on the Supreme Court, you will.
Then again, perhaps not. Maybe you'll instead look back to when George McGovern--another pure, idealistic Democrat--ran for President and won in a landslide.
Oh wait. He lost...in a landslide.
But that isn't analagous because it happened decades ago, and he had different hair color, or whatever other differences you can think up to help you sleep at night while the radicalized-for-generations Supreme Court systematically dismantles the social safety net and every environmental protection we now have.
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Hillary's promotion of the disastrous trade deals that have killed millions of American jobs and caused our town and cities to lose funding for their infrastructure made my decision that she doesn't have the backs of working Americans. She has been duplicitous to say the least on trade and globalization. Bernie has understood for a long time our middle class has been decimated and that a healthy democracy is dependent on a economically stable middle class. The republican candidates are totally bought and are determined to privatize social security and cut Medicare, so they're certainly no viable option. Bernie is the only honest and caring presidential candidate who understands Americans are being squeezed and hurting. Heroin addiction is spreading across America like wildfire. Are we really surprised when livable wage jobs for Americans are becoming almost nonexistent. No more bought, disconnected establishment candidates who have sold out our country to the multinational's. Bernie '16
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Senator Sander's plans need to get passed by congress. This Congress will never give him any traction. Bernie does not show me he's willing to compromise, looking at his past. Nothing in Washington gets done without compromise. Bernie has his ideals and I praise him for that but like Cruz he does not show he's willing to settle. Trump it looks like will be the Republican Nominee. I don't believe Trump really believes all the nonsense he's pushing. That's what is scarry. Who is he? Other than Trump , Power and Money what has he ever cared about looking back on his life? Hillary is the person I trust with foreign policy for America. Yes she has issues, but at the end of the day I believe she cares.
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Frank,
Think about this for a moment;
Sanders wins in an historic landslide, upsetting the plans of our corporate owned government.
Our obstructionist Congress has two midterms to worry about, and it will be crystal clear to them, that any attempt by any one of them, to stymie the will of the people, will be dealt with harshly, meaning they will be voted out during the first midterm, and come the second midterm, those charlatans who still think they can fight the will of the people, will find themselves permanently on the outside, wondering what went wrong.
Our revamped Justice Department, made ineffective by the current administration, will become a real working Justice Department, spending time going after the criminals in our government who for too long believed they are exempt from prosecution.
Times are a-changing, and the people are directing the change, for the first time in decades.
There is a new Sheriff in town, his name is Bernie Sanders, and guess what, he cannot be bought.
Isn't that just dandy.
Think about this for a moment;
Sanders wins in an historic landslide, upsetting the plans of our corporate owned government.
Our obstructionist Congress has two midterms to worry about, and it will be crystal clear to them, that any attempt by any one of them, to stymie the will of the people, will be dealt with harshly, meaning they will be voted out during the first midterm, and come the second midterm, those charlatans who still think they can fight the will of the people, will find themselves permanently on the outside, wondering what went wrong.
Our revamped Justice Department, made ineffective by the current administration, will become a real working Justice Department, spending time going after the criminals in our government who for too long believed they are exempt from prosecution.
Times are a-changing, and the people are directing the change, for the first time in decades.
There is a new Sheriff in town, his name is Bernie Sanders, and guess what, he cannot be bought.
Isn't that just dandy.
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Mel: if he can't get Congress on board, which a popular president just had to deal with, the Sheriff will be Barnie Fife.
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Trump benefits from a total lack of meaningful coverage. His meaningless outbursts are repeated, like free ads, as news. One footnoted history tells all- http://mindcontrolblackassassins.com/2015/08/19/donald-trump-the-devils-.... Read this and put the info out there so the new Know-Nothings can know something about their "leader".
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Not so fast to those who think Hillary Clinton is more electable than Bernie Sanders.
Democrats seem willing to overlook the Clintons' chronic, epic ethical lapses, but the independent voters who will decide the election likely won't be so forgiving. Bill Clinton accepted $500,000 for a speech to Russian promoters of a uranium mining deal requiring State Department approval while Hillary Clinton was Secretary. At the same time, the chairman of the mining company donated $2.3 million to the Clinton Foundation, which Hillary Clinton failed to disclose, in breach of her written agreement with the State Department. Documented by the New York Times, these are not accusations of the vast right wing conspiracy. And there is a lot more where that came from. Having earned $153 million in corporate speaking fees according to CNN, the coziness of Clintons with the very interests Hillary Clinton now claims need reining in, including Wall Street, will make her an easy and valid Republican target.
Democrats seem willing to overlook the Clintons' chronic, epic ethical lapses, but the independent voters who will decide the election likely won't be so forgiving. Bill Clinton accepted $500,000 for a speech to Russian promoters of a uranium mining deal requiring State Department approval while Hillary Clinton was Secretary. At the same time, the chairman of the mining company donated $2.3 million to the Clinton Foundation, which Hillary Clinton failed to disclose, in breach of her written agreement with the State Department. Documented by the New York Times, these are not accusations of the vast right wing conspiracy. And there is a lot more where that came from. Having earned $153 million in corporate speaking fees according to CNN, the coziness of Clintons with the very interests Hillary Clinton now claims need reining in, including Wall Street, will make her an easy and valid Republican target.
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Thank you. It's really shocking to me that Clinton supporters willfully ignore these facts. You're absolutely correct, the independent voters will decide this election. Sanders has consistently shown that he wins the independent vote, Clinton does not.
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And still The Times has endorsed this crook. When the gullible low information voters understand that rule and ethics do not apply to the Clinton's we'd all be better off.
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These examples of incinerated integrity slid by me, and I'm stunned. Thank you for posting the information.
If your words are empty, they should be used against you. People can try to use Bernie's words against him, but he stands by each and every one. Americans value that integrity, even if they don't agree with all of his policies.
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And it's possible to value integrity without voting for it.
There's a former POTUS that once espoused the reality of politics:
“No wonder Americans hate politics when, year in and year out, they hear politicians make promises that won’t come true because they don’t even mean them – campaign fantasies that win elections but don’t get the nation moving again.”
- Bill Clinton
“No wonder Americans hate politics when, year in and year out, they hear politicians make promises that won’t come true because they don’t even mean them – campaign fantasies that win elections but don’t get the nation moving again.”
- Bill Clinton
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There are many ways to interpret this quote, Mr. Phil.
N. Smith,
By all appearances, Mr. and Mrs. Clinton have a marriage of convenience. Since his days as Governor, its been known that Bill's a philogynist (i.e., Flowers, Jones). After dealing with decades of this and Mrs. Clinton's championing the rights of women, it would not be unreasonable to suspect deep down she has developed a sense of misandry.
By all appearances, Mr. and Mrs. Clinton have a marriage of convenience. Since his days as Governor, its been known that Bill's a philogynist (i.e., Flowers, Jones). After dealing with decades of this and Mrs. Clinton's championing the rights of women, it would not be unreasonable to suspect deep down she has developed a sense of misandry.
@Mr. Phil
With all due respect, I would prefer not to venture into the Clinton's connubial territory, or draw any conclusions from it.
With all due respect, I would prefer not to venture into the Clinton's connubial territory, or draw any conclusions from it.
In the dark of the night do Bernie Sanders' supporters ever ask themselves why no SuperPACs are throwing mud at him the way they do Hillary Clinton? Do they notice that all the bile, all the insults, all the opprobrium is aimed at Mrs. Clinton and virtually none at their candidate? Do they not wonder if this means, just maybe...that no one is worried about Bernie Sanders? That once he's been subjected to the Right Wing Hate and Noise Machine he will come unstuffed like a rag doll? Why are they so worried about Hillary? Because she can beat them.
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I find this election truly despairing in both parties. This election may be the only time I base my vote entirely on the intelligence, integrity and inspiration of the vice presidential candidates. If one of them articulates a vision of governing from the middle through mutual respect, empathy and difficult trade-offs, there may be a glimmer of hope for our future.
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Voters need to know that both Hillary and Bernie will put their climate prophesies above workers continuing the destruction of the coal industry and coal fired power generation.
In addition based on the climate prophesies they are likely to continue Obama's inquisition like persecution of other energy producers like oil companies.
In addition based on the climate prophesies they are likely to continue Obama's inquisition like persecution of other energy producers like oil companies.
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Just say "No" to Trump.
I have never seen such an ignorant, arrogant braggart running for president.
Change is one thing. A devolution into nonsense and vulgarity is another. It would be a disaster for the US if this guy wins the Republican nomination.
I have never seen such an ignorant, arrogant braggart running for president.
Change is one thing. A devolution into nonsense and vulgarity is another. It would be a disaster for the US if this guy wins the Republican nomination.
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Mr. Ryan implied, “those Bernie Sanders voters will be a heck of a lot more comfortable coming home to Hillary Clinton than they are with Donald Trump.” Who says they will go home at all? Hillary's rabid attack of falsehoods and downright lies are hardly a warm/fuzzy invitation.
A ballot without Bernie Sanders this coming November will likely find many of his supporters staying home watching the election results on MSNBC.
A ballot without Bernie Sanders this coming November will likely find many of his supporters staying home watching the election results on MSNBC.
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When Democrats and Republicans both turn out in large numbers, the Democrats win--because there are more registered Democrats.
So the Republican Ministry of Propaganda's first priority--even beyond getting out the Republican vote--is to suppress the Democratic vote. They've used all sorts of dirty tricks to accomplish this, but the fallback is always to spread FUD among Democratic voters so they'll just stay home on election day.
One of their main lines of attack this year is to call the first serious woman contender a liar. The hatred of men for a lying woman is rooted in the ancient fact that when a woman had a baby, she always knew who the mother was--but the man couldn't know who the father was unless he was 110% sure of her honesty to him.
The Republican Ministry of Propaganda is skilled at tapping primal feelings--racism, sexism, ageism, nativism, anti-intellectualism, you name it. This is just another.
But, Sanders supporters say, it's rooted in fact with Clinton.
No, it's rooted in propaganda that Sanders supporters swallow, because it suits their Knight in Shning Armor mythos about their guy.
Politifact.com, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact checker site, recently compared the candidates' statements on the issues with reality. They did find that Clinton lied 28% of the time.
So it's true, she's a liar liar liar. But they also found that Sanders--yes, Sanders--lied 29% of the time.
And Ted Cruz lied 70% of the time, while Trump lied 76% of the time.
Oops.
So the Republican Ministry of Propaganda's first priority--even beyond getting out the Republican vote--is to suppress the Democratic vote. They've used all sorts of dirty tricks to accomplish this, but the fallback is always to spread FUD among Democratic voters so they'll just stay home on election day.
One of their main lines of attack this year is to call the first serious woman contender a liar. The hatred of men for a lying woman is rooted in the ancient fact that when a woman had a baby, she always knew who the mother was--but the man couldn't know who the father was unless he was 110% sure of her honesty to him.
The Republican Ministry of Propaganda is skilled at tapping primal feelings--racism, sexism, ageism, nativism, anti-intellectualism, you name it. This is just another.
But, Sanders supporters say, it's rooted in fact with Clinton.
No, it's rooted in propaganda that Sanders supporters swallow, because it suits their Knight in Shning Armor mythos about their guy.
Politifact.com, the Pulitzer Prize-winning fact checker site, recently compared the candidates' statements on the issues with reality. They did find that Clinton lied 28% of the time.
So it's true, she's a liar liar liar. But they also found that Sanders--yes, Sanders--lied 29% of the time.
And Ted Cruz lied 70% of the time, while Trump lied 76% of the time.
Oops.
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Or write in Bernie!
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Write in Bernie...which will result in TRUMP!!!!!
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Sanders positions resonate with the electorate for one simple reason: They're political fantasy. Even if the Dems take the Senate in the fall--a likely prospect--the gerrymandering in the House guarantees the Republicans will hold their majority there.
While he gets a lot of attention for his positions on college tuition, taxation on the wealthy and Medicare for all, there's no chance any of them would make it through the Republican House he'd face as President.
While he gets a lot of attention for his positions on college tuition, taxation on the wealthy and Medicare for all, there's no chance any of them would make it through the Republican House he'd face as President.
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Mr. Christie made a mistake in skipping the funeral of a New Jersey trooper to instead hold Trump's hand as The Great One took on the tough questions about Ivanka...I mean Marla...sorry, Melania, and his children by...here we go again, Ivanka. Oh, and giving vets a hand up. If Chris has aspirations of being Vice President Christie, attending the trooper's funeral would have been good practice for the duties of that office.
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I’ve always followed the presidential campaigns closely – the more I get to know the candidates, their history and background, the greater the chances of making the right decision.
Perhaps I’ve been looking for what’s been lost, a presidential candidate I can respect and admire – one with the courage to stand above his personal needs to find the necessary balance to act on behalf of all the people without pretense.
Today, I’m an undecided voter since I’ve lost faith in the political system.
Perhaps I’ve been looking for what’s been lost, a presidential candidate I can respect and admire – one with the courage to stand above his personal needs to find the necessary balance to act on behalf of all the people without pretense.
Today, I’m an undecided voter since I’ve lost faith in the political system.
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A lot of people watched as the same demographic of liberal voter turned on Obama - quite early in his administration actually. We have no doubts that should Mr. Sanders make it to the WH and govern with people unlike his campaign supporters, that absolutely, 100%, they will turn on him, just like they did Obama. They were every bit as mean as the Tea Party people. Then it will be the moderates who will have to stick with him.
The Sanders folks already are using the stalest right wing talking points for Clinton, already hate her, she already has the necessary scar tissue, looked good at the Congressional hearing meant to burn her at the stake, has experience. Let's just save ourselves the bother of having the libertarians throw Bernie to the wolves which they absolutely will do.
The Sanders folks already are using the stalest right wing talking points for Clinton, already hate her, she already has the necessary scar tissue, looked good at the Congressional hearing meant to burn her at the stake, has experience. Let's just save ourselves the bother of having the libertarians throw Bernie to the wolves which they absolutely will do.
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She accomplished next to nothing as Sec'y of State and Senator from NY (?); and being First Lady doesn't count.
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Emma:
Maybe your right wing sources don't count an endorsement by Planned Parenthood as anything but a lot of us appreciate that. She probably got more done than Mr. Sanders in snow-white Vermont if that means anything to you. Stop with the minimizing. It is OK to not prefer a candidate without denigrating them.
Maybe your right wing sources don't count an endorsement by Planned Parenthood as anything but a lot of us appreciate that. She probably got more done than Mr. Sanders in snow-white Vermont if that means anything to you. Stop with the minimizing. It is OK to not prefer a candidate without denigrating them.
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@Peel
And once again, the same anti-Clinton trope. Why not state some relevant facts to support your accusations?? -- By the way, no need for the question mark. Clinton was our elected Senator.
And once again, the same anti-Clinton trope. Why not state some relevant facts to support your accusations?? -- By the way, no need for the question mark. Clinton was our elected Senator.
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Too bad that Hillary will get so many delegates from the Confederacy, since those are states where the Dems don't have a chance of winning in November. Only Kansas, Utah, and Oklahoma are more hostile to Democrats. Bernie beats Hillary if you hold a Democratic primary only in states where a Democratic candidate has a chance of winning in November.
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Clinton or Sanders, Trump or Cruz...
317 million people in this country and this is the best we can do?
What a sad, sad commentary on the depths to which this country's electorate has fallen. Truly, truly sad.
317 million people in this country and this is the best we can do?
What a sad, sad commentary on the depths to which this country's electorate has fallen. Truly, truly sad.
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I didn't see you name anyone
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@fran soyer -- Gordon Bethune. He is the most positive leader I've ever encountered. He has a track record of great success and bringing people together. I can not think of another person who I believe would be better to lead this country into the rest of the 21st century.
Why do so many Clinton supporters constantly tell us they are voting for her because Sanders is unelectable? Nothing about her record, eh? But the Sanders-is-unelectable argument lacks logic and it's contrary to the facts. Sanders has won almost every blue state so far and he's done so with both young voters AND independents; two groups Clinton has yet to win over. Additionally, national poll after national poll indicates that Sanders bests all of the three top GOP candidates, whereas Clinton fares worse and even loses to Cruz and Rubio in several polls.
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I guess you are telling, not really asking. But if it means anything to you, Planned Parenthood has endorsed Clinton. I liked her performance dealing with the hound dogs who made up crap about Benghazi. She is an advocate for women and kids.
Sanders does capture the Disgruntle Vote demographic. My issue with him is not what he is saying- it is looking at 40 years of very modest work, that's all. He voted against the war but wooed the military industry in Vermont, even the F-35 which is considered a waste by even the Pentagon. He has had protestors arrested. He is OK with LaPierre's endorsement for Senate. So he IS a politician - hopping on the Democratic Party is a political move- you don't have to pay your own way. So it isnt all Purity and Light for Sanders either.
There is also the inevitable moment when he will not be Pure Enough for the liberal voter who wants to endorse a saint or monk, not a politician. That would be probably 10 minutes after Sanders took office. Sorry, but just look back down the line- you can see the future.
Sanders does capture the Disgruntle Vote demographic. My issue with him is not what he is saying- it is looking at 40 years of very modest work, that's all. He voted against the war but wooed the military industry in Vermont, even the F-35 which is considered a waste by even the Pentagon. He has had protestors arrested. He is OK with LaPierre's endorsement for Senate. So he IS a politician - hopping on the Democratic Party is a political move- you don't have to pay your own way. So it isnt all Purity and Light for Sanders either.
There is also the inevitable moment when he will not be Pure Enough for the liberal voter who wants to endorse a saint or monk, not a politician. That would be probably 10 minutes after Sanders took office. Sorry, but just look back down the line- you can see the future.
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@Bubble
You obviously don't take into consideration the many Clinton supporters who simply think she'd make a better Presidential candidate, and spare themselves the calumny they'd evoke by making their comments known here.
As for Sanders. His appeal is undisputed to a certain segment of the electorate.
But not by all. They count too.
You obviously don't take into consideration the many Clinton supporters who simply think she'd make a better Presidential candidate, and spare themselves the calumny they'd evoke by making their comments known here.
As for Sanders. His appeal is undisputed to a certain segment of the electorate.
But not by all. They count too.
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If you think Hillary is an advocate for women and children, hear what Elizabeth Warren has to say about her:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d60AzoIqvE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9d60AzoIqvE
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HRC is politically tone-deaf. We believe her when she says, "I'm not a natural politician." We wish her success in endeavors in other fields in which she is better suited.
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@Hudson
Just curious. Who do you define by "We"? And let's face it, if Clinton said she were a "natural politician", fault would be found with that as well.
Just curious. Who do you define by "We"? And let's face it, if Clinton said she were a "natural politician", fault would be found with that as well.
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Let's see....David Duke, Carson, Palin & the 'big guy' from NJ (note:who's cheese has apparently slipped off it's proverbial cracker) all campaigning hard for 'the Donald'.....Talk about a treasure-trove of historic malaprops, double talk, incoherent babble, half truths, outright lies, mean spirited tirades and/or purposefully deceiving rhetoric. Naturally, all of the 'bad stuff' was either taken out of context or twisted by left-wing media types with an agenda.
I get the distinct impression the RNC now painfully understands the 'Wolf by the Ears' dilemma....
I get the distinct impression the RNC now painfully understands the 'Wolf by the Ears' dilemma....
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The 'I support the coal industry but I'm also fighting for renewable energy' paradox that comes about every election is so frustrating. Coal is about the dirtiest way to produce electricity, working class employees or not. I remember Obama frequently using the oxymoron 'clean coal' while running against Romney, then pivoting right back to renewable energy in his victory speech after the election. Coal workers have to figure out soon enough that if we really are trying to move to cleaner energy in the future, that industry must disappear at some point.
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Hillary or the Messiah of the Middle Class? Who will we choose?
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If you are a thinking voter, Bernie!
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@Ferlin
Hey. You're in Canada!!...And don't you know??-- there's no Middle-Class left.
Hey. You're in Canada!!...And don't you know??-- there's no Middle-Class left.
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I suggest their appeal goes way back to Burgundian times when the peasants decided to burn the old wood out of the moldering fuel pile.
Trump is a silly Siegfried who only needs to flip his hair more rectilinearly to fit Fritz's view of the perfect Dragon Slayer. That big, bold, braggart from the north who can do back flips over that sad sack of a Burgundian excuse for a king, Gunthar. Of course, no one knows Siegy's got the backing of a bunch of creepy trolls with invisibility nets and fortunes to take all bets.
BUT, the old tired king has his wingnut underboss Hagan take out the New Hope by learning his weak spot from his own stupid sister who's married this bloke. Kriemhild's Revenge, that's when the real fire power kicks in.
Wingnut is so scared of her stoney stares he tosses her murdered husband's war chest into the Rhine, Rinos. To get even, Kriemy marries Attila the Hun and gives him a son who Wingnut then slays, and that was the last stroke, she and her new breed smoked the whole kingdom to charcoal, chum.
So, I think Donald should get his hair done, loose smashingly like a folk hero, then Hillary can bring the Bernie as VP. We're gonna remake this white house so over, you will beg us to rent it to you, Establishment.
Trump is a silly Siegfried who only needs to flip his hair more rectilinearly to fit Fritz's view of the perfect Dragon Slayer. That big, bold, braggart from the north who can do back flips over that sad sack of a Burgundian excuse for a king, Gunthar. Of course, no one knows Siegy's got the backing of a bunch of creepy trolls with invisibility nets and fortunes to take all bets.
BUT, the old tired king has his wingnut underboss Hagan take out the New Hope by learning his weak spot from his own stupid sister who's married this bloke. Kriemhild's Revenge, that's when the real fire power kicks in.
Wingnut is so scared of her stoney stares he tosses her murdered husband's war chest into the Rhine, Rinos. To get even, Kriemy marries Attila the Hun and gives him a son who Wingnut then slays, and that was the last stroke, she and her new breed smoked the whole kingdom to charcoal, chum.
So, I think Donald should get his hair done, loose smashingly like a folk hero, then Hillary can bring the Bernie as VP. We're gonna remake this white house so over, you will beg us to rent it to you, Establishment.
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One wonders, with today, March 15, being a very big election day, just who of the candidates will be struck by the Ides of March? Will the fate that visited upon Caesar also be figuratively visited upon some of the candidates?
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@RetiredGuy,
That quote went through my mind also.
3-15-16@11:53 am
That quote went through my mind also.
3-15-16@11:53 am
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The comparison of Clinton and Trump is a disgrace and embarrasses the Times. Who is the super-PAC going after Clinton for telling the truth? It is clear coal will be used less and less as an energy source. This will not be good for the miner workers or the mine owners. This will be the case regardless of who is president. Only Clinton has any idea what might be done in lieu of coal mining.
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If Bernie's supporters are sick of the status quo and want a political revolution why would they support Hillary over Trump?
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The absolute worst that Hillary could do is not even in the same league as the utter disaster of Trump, and the majority of Bernie's supporters know it.
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I'm not a Hilary supporter, but I think there may be a compelling answer: Because the one thing certain to have a drastic effect on inequality, and political sanity, in this country is Supreme Court appointments.
But for this to be an answer Hilary has to commit to working for the repeal of Citizen's United. Has she done so?
And if not, why is Bernie not attacking her on that?
But for this to be an answer Hilary has to commit to working for the repeal of Citizen's United. Has she done so?
And if not, why is Bernie not attacking her on that?
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@Ijahru,
Is that a rhetorical question? Minus the suggestion of voting for Trump, it's a beauty.
3-15-16@12:36 pm
Is that a rhetorical question? Minus the suggestion of voting for Trump, it's a beauty.
3-15-16@12:36 pm
I am a lifelong Democrat who voted for Trump today. Very simply, he is what the Republicans created, and deserve, after years of obstruction, falsehoods and fomenting discontent (Fox above all). Hillary will get the nomination and I want the Donald to be the Republican nominee so the Dems can win easily at the top and all through the ticket.
Bernie is often right but not electable. Hillary is certainly flawed by her affect, Clintonian shading of nuances, and an unshakable sense of phoniness. My really big fear is Kasich who could easily beat her one on one. Thus let's root for Trump to get the nod and watch the Repubs try to justify one more outrage.
Bernie is often right but not electable. Hillary is certainly flawed by her affect, Clintonian shading of nuances, and an unshakable sense of phoniness. My really big fear is Kasich who could easily beat her one on one. Thus let's root for Trump to get the nod and watch the Repubs try to justify one more outrage.
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Why do so many of you Clinton supporters say that Sander is unelectable? He's won in almost every blue state, and he's done it with young voters AND independents. Clinton has yet to capture the young or the independent voter. The Sanders-is-unelectable trope lacks logic and is even counter to the facts.
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Mike --Really not a good vote. If you want to see the Dems win, you should have voted for Clinton.
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Good for you for follow the rule of the game but not the spirit of the game. We are a democracy bought by big banks but still a democracy because people voted the banks' man right?
This is one reason I don't respect the Democrats and Republican establishment. They and their diehard voting blocks care more about "winning" than about the American people. You would gladly establish a dictatorship if it means keeping your favorite politician in power doing your bid.
This is one reason I don't respect the Democrats and Republican establishment. They and their diehard voting blocks care more about "winning" than about the American people. You would gladly establish a dictatorship if it means keeping your favorite politician in power doing your bid.
“This is how Donald Trump talks about our mothers, our sisters, our daughters,” they say.
What I guess the presidency has really come down to for most people, is not so much a national leader but more or less a surrogate parent that they supposedly look up to and someone who will hold their hand.
That's quite sad, really. Maybe those people had bad parents to begin with - which even makes it sadder - or maybe they took the real parents they do have for granted, in which case it's their own fault that they feel adrift. But personally, I'm not looking for another mother or father, I just want someone who can help straighten things out, if that's even humanly possible.
What I guess the presidency has really come down to for most people, is not so much a national leader but more or less a surrogate parent that they supposedly look up to and someone who will hold their hand.
That's quite sad, really. Maybe those people had bad parents to begin with - which even makes it sadder - or maybe they took the real parents they do have for granted, in which case it's their own fault that they feel adrift. But personally, I'm not looking for another mother or father, I just want someone who can help straighten things out, if that's even humanly possible.
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What exactly is your point?
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I thought @Iver's point was clear: We used to want a true leader in this country, someone who is willing and able to take on and tackle the big, heady problems facing our country and our world. Now, we don't want a true leader, we want a person who will coddle us and tell us everything is going to be okay.
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@Bubble
Interesting interpretation. Only the fact that you think that leader is DONALD TRUMP is a bit disturbing.
Interesting interpretation. Only the fact that you think that leader is DONALD TRUMP is a bit disturbing.
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Hillary is running, not only to be the first female president, but to be the first female Republican president who posed as a Democrat. Her husband was the first male Republican president who posed as a Democrat.
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@Tom
I suppose this sounded really good to you when you wrote it down.
Now. Can you please explain exactly what you mean about Bill Clinton being "the first male Republican president who posed as a Democrat"????
I suppose this sounded really good to you when you wrote it down.
Now. Can you please explain exactly what you mean about Bill Clinton being "the first male Republican president who posed as a Democrat"????
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Sure, he gave us NAFTA and got rid of Glass Steagall, to name two...
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Tom, do you know that Republican actually existed during the Clinton administration? Yes they did. And they were every bit as awful as they are right now. Please start factoring in some actual political reality.
The prospect of either a Trump or Cruz presidency is horrifying. Oddly enough, though, Trump is slightly less horrifying. He just seems to say the first thing that pops into his head, without worrying about taking the time to think it through. But Cruz actually believes in the things that come out of his mouth.
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@crankyoldman
Don't fool yourself...What "pops" into Trump's head is horrifying. That he doesn't think about it first, is irresponsible --- Not a good characteristic for a President.
Don't fool yourself...What "pops" into Trump's head is horrifying. That he doesn't think about it first, is irresponsible --- Not a good characteristic for a President.
From the response of my colleagues in my area, I feel both Hillary and Donald from their respective parties will get resounding victory from today's primaries. Why all these last minute mud slinging at them!?
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Of course the Clinton campaign is playing the lowered expectations game. This way no matter how it turns out, she will appear to have overcome the odds.
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And if the "odds" are Donald Trump, I'll take it.
When DiBlasio planned to fund pre-K in NYC on a tax on people making more than 500K, it was pointed out by some (astutely) that it would mean risking dependency on a handful of people to fund a citywide program. Bernie is going that same route. He has laid out no plan to fund his agenda beyond taxing high income earners. For pre-K, Cuomo took over the reigns and found money on the state budget. What will Bernie do? Find money where? Raise taxes on everyone? or as Repubs would want it...cut programs. A tax already exists on derivatives trading. These traders will think nothing of getting up and moving to London (as French traders did when taxed higher). I am not buying what Bernie is selling. Bernie would be great for a cabinet position from where he can go after Wall Street, its all he is good for.
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There's been a free ride for some 40 years and the 1% couldn't be happier. Bernies idea of taxing the very wealthy doesn't go far enough. Rates as high as during the Eisenhower Administration should be in effect. After all, we need to pay for the two unfunded wars brought to you by the Bush/Cheney cabal, the unfunded Prescription drug plan, the gazillions in fossil fuel and big Ag subsidies, the YUGE corporate welfare program and much much more! Bernie can get it done because he believes it and his time has come.
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Paul, I agree with your assessment but I haven't heard Bernie say anything about his tax plans. He needs to lay it out. I keep hearing only one refrain....Wall Street will pay. I am sick of this one phrase because I see no teeth behind it.
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Tonight, I want to see some political upsets, polls shattered and hear pundits try to spin and defy obvious facts. I'm actually rooting for all the underdogs who the polls and pundits claimed had no chance or real path going forward.
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And just who do you consider to be an "underdog"???...there's quite a choice.
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George H. W. Bush was behind by Michael Dukakis by 20% when the Republican smear machine went to work. One furloughed inmate and a ride in a tank looking goofy and he was done. Some of the Sanders' supporters who are unaware of his neo-hippie existence in Vermont would get a big education regarding his politics and social philosophy in a general election, and would drop him like a hot penny. There is a reason that he is not backed by any of the past or presents major office holders in Vermont. These are the people that know him best.
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"Mr. Sanders’s campaign has argued that Mrs. Clinton has not proved she can win widely beyond Southern states with large numbers of African-Americans."
Now, if only America could adjust to two new concepts, social democracy and universal healthcare, and one as old as the species, concern for the biosphere, Bernie would make the most forward-looking septuagenarian president ever.
Now, if only America could adjust to two new concepts, social democracy and universal healthcare, and one as old as the species, concern for the biosphere, Bernie would make the most forward-looking septuagenarian president ever.
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Hillary is a calm, rational, and well experienced leader on the world stage. I hope people do begin to pay more attention to facts as the political season continues. We could be in for a world of even more hurt, if things turn the wrong way.
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There's a lot of irony in Clinton's coal comment. Kasich gave $8 billion in Ohio taxpayer money to help power companies refurbish their 1800's technology coal fired plants.
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Their rivals are correct.
Hillary Rodham Clinton is beholden to the corporatist class that she earns her living off of and represents. The goals and profits of the corporatist class are at diametrical odds with what the rest of us need and deserve. She is a classic toady of the ruling class, with chicanery hawking sugary treats of which only a handful of us will be allowed to lick the crumbs - and then only after mopping up the mess left by the corporatist gluttons.
The thing-called-Trump is a hateful, misogynist, racist, homophobe, xenophobe dendrite-of-a-precursor-to-homo-sapiens. He brings nothing to this world but the raw spew of the ignorant, confused, and left-behind.
Nothing good will happen to you or me as either of these candidates move forward.
Hillary Rodham Clinton is beholden to the corporatist class that she earns her living off of and represents. The goals and profits of the corporatist class are at diametrical odds with what the rest of us need and deserve. She is a classic toady of the ruling class, with chicanery hawking sugary treats of which only a handful of us will be allowed to lick the crumbs - and then only after mopping up the mess left by the corporatist gluttons.
The thing-called-Trump is a hateful, misogynist, racist, homophobe, xenophobe dendrite-of-a-precursor-to-homo-sapiens. He brings nothing to this world but the raw spew of the ignorant, confused, and left-behind.
Nothing good will happen to you or me as either of these candidates move forward.
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Of all the admirable qualities which were once the foundation of American exceptionalism, the ability to emphasize the positive and overwhelm the negative is the most tragic loss.
America is no longer able to see beyond the headines or the catchwords and claptrap presented by the entire spectrum of their news media. This may be a result of the degradation of your schools.
This article provides ample evidence of the general lack of perspective which provided a much brosder field of view for previous generations. The soundbite from last night becomes todays rallying cry for the pack.
Truly sad, and very dangerous for a nation which aspires to leadership in this unforgiving world.
America is no longer able to see beyond the headines or the catchwords and claptrap presented by the entire spectrum of their news media. This may be a result of the degradation of your schools.
This article provides ample evidence of the general lack of perspective which provided a much brosder field of view for previous generations. The soundbite from last night becomes todays rallying cry for the pack.
Truly sad, and very dangerous for a nation which aspires to leadership in this unforgiving world.
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How could any informed citizen cast a vote for Hillary? She held her finger to the political wind and voted for the disastrous invasion of Iraq based on lies, supported the middle-class disasters TPP and NAFTA, supports environment-destroying fracking, sat on the board of Walmart, makes hundreds of millions of dollars worth of Top Secret "speeches" to Wall Street Thieves, and now possibly stands to be indicted?
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@Tom
And do you remember who brought about the invasion of IRAQ based on lies??
HINT: It wasn't Clinton.
And do you remember who brought about the invasion of IRAQ based on lies??
HINT: It wasn't Clinton.
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No Mr,/Ms Smith, it wasn't Hillary, but she was happy to support it! And it worked so well, she decided to do it in Libya also!
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Check your facts. Then explain what this has to do with Libya.
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"Significant losses to Mr. Sanders in the Midwest, and in Ohio in particular, would send a shudder through a Democratic Party grappling with the rise of Mr. Trump — who himself appeals to working-class whites — leaving questions of whether Mrs. Clinton can connect to such voters in a general election."
Thats a pretty funny joke. If Clinton has 'significant losses' to Sanders today its a pretty sure sign she won't be the Democratic nominee, but please keep talking about her like the coronation is inevitable. Its amusing to those of us who can actually do delegate math.
Thats a pretty funny joke. If Clinton has 'significant losses' to Sanders today its a pretty sure sign she won't be the Democratic nominee, but please keep talking about her like the coronation is inevitable. Its amusing to those of us who can actually do delegate math.
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Can't wait for Senator Sanders to shake his fist and waggle his finger or a Trump calling names at the divisive senate and house. An extreme left against an extreme right. 4 years down the drain.
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No conceivable "shudder" within the Democratic Party now could compare to the everlasting outrage of many long time Democrats at the cowardly Democratic establishment for even thinking of nominating for president someone who knowingly voted to give an utterly unnecessary blank check for the worst foreign policy disaster in recent American history. And has denied and obfuscated about this ever since. The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is only one of several huge lasting costs resulting from that craven failure to stand up for basic American principles by rubber-stamping the horrific bungling of the Cheney-Bush administration in Iraq.
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@Sage
Hate to say it, but that "shudder" within the Democratic Party will be NOTHING compared to the shudder felt across the country, no, the WORLD!-- with Donald Trump in office.
Hate to say it, but that "shudder" within the Democratic Party will be NOTHING compared to the shudder felt across the country, no, the WORLD!-- with Donald Trump in office.
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@ Smith
Trump is getting a consistent 30-40% of the Republican vote. That is miles away from a majority of the national electoral college in November. Head to head his chances against Cruz look questionable this spring. and much more doubtful against either Clinton or Sanders in the fall. Shudder instead about some new fanatical demagogue able to take up where Trump and Cruz stalled, and really milk the anger built up by 2020 or 2024, after 4 or 8 more years of Clinton Dynasty 2.0.
Trump is getting a consistent 30-40% of the Republican vote. That is miles away from a majority of the national electoral college in November. Head to head his chances against Cruz look questionable this spring. and much more doubtful against either Clinton or Sanders in the fall. Shudder instead about some new fanatical demagogue able to take up where Trump and Cruz stalled, and really milk the anger built up by 2020 or 2024, after 4 or 8 more years of Clinton Dynasty 2.0.
@Sage
Let's face it. Between Trump and Cruz, shuddering is already way off the Richter Scale! --- Dread to think what fanatical demagogue could be worse. What is in the water???
Let's face it. Between Trump and Cruz, shuddering is already way off the Richter Scale! --- Dread to think what fanatical demagogue could be worse. What is in the water???
I'm going to say it. There is still loads off misogyny in this country, and too many men will simply not vote for a woman. That's a real issue, and if anyone disputes it, just look around!!!!
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I would vote for Elizabeth Warren in a heartbeat... She is a principled person with real conviction...
Hillary Clinton, never... She is a dishonest corporate-owned pathological liar who possesses no real convictions beyond attaining personal fortune, fame, and power, and has a long history of very poor decisions, for which thousands have paid dearly.
It has nothing to do with gender, Linda.
Hillary Clinton, never... She is a dishonest corporate-owned pathological liar who possesses no real convictions beyond attaining personal fortune, fame, and power, and has a long history of very poor decisions, for which thousands have paid dearly.
It has nothing to do with gender, Linda.
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So according to your logic, we should ignore any negative facts about Clinton regarding her vote for the Iraq War, her authorization of arms to dictators, when secretary of State, in exchange for "contributions" to the Clinton Foundation, her sitting on the Board of Walmart, while they waged a vicious anti-union campaign, her blatant lies about Sanders and her insults at his supporters. None of that should be important because, the real issue according to you, is that she is a woman and nothing is more important than that. Anyone who thinks otherwise is just a sexist. If Hillary were a man and had the same type of record, would you vote for him? No, but JUST because she is a woman, you will. If you want to see a sexist, just look in the mirror.
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@Tom
Fine. You think Clinton a corrupt liar. But unless you are now the official spokesman for all men in the world, don't kid yourself by underestimating the roles of gender, religion, and race in this Presidential election.
Fine. You think Clinton a corrupt liar. But unless you are now the official spokesman for all men in the world, don't kid yourself by underestimating the roles of gender, religion, and race in this Presidential election.
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Maybe I've been under a rock all of these years but why is there so much antipathy against Hillary? A lot of people seem to be jumping on the anti-Hillary bandwagon but I'm not sure that they are sure of the reasons why. Just following the pack?
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@styleman
A cursory glance at all the incriminating comments against Hillary Clinton posted here will probably answer your question. As to WHY? -- 'pack-response' is as good a guess as any.
A cursory glance at all the incriminating comments against Hillary Clinton posted here will probably answer your question. As to WHY? -- 'pack-response' is as good a guess as any.
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The extent at which the Sanders voters are willing delude themselves is beyond comprehension. He has 0 chance of winning, he's simply unelectable. The DC machine will simply not allow a socialist to head the largest, most dynamic capitalist country on the planet. It won't happen. A sanders vote is a wasted vote and all the granola and rallies on college campuses in the world won't change that.
Period.
Period.
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Yes, democrats, vote for Mr. Do Nothing Sanders. He talks a good talk with waving hands and shouting but his efforts have done nothing in 40+ years. His message is no target because it never changes and he is not challenged. You go ahead and vote for him. Give another election to BIG democracy-destroying money like Koch money - they love Senator Sanders, too. I will vote for the WOMAN OF ACTION - MS. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.
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Your sarcasm is understood as well as appreciated and eventhough Mr Sanders may be all you say, he has forced not only Mrs. Clinton but also our nation's voters to look at problems which until he openly voiced them were not discussed.
Should Mr Sanders surprise everyone and end up as the nominee your concerns may be validated in the upcoming election which might and probably would be a disaster if he then lost. The same is true if Mrs Clinton is the nominee and loses in the general.
I do however doubt followers of either would abandon the Democrats as the debate engendered between them clarifies as well as illustrates where we as a people need to go. Their discussion is for the most part civil, educational and in keeping with the freedom which underlies our process.
I am not concerned and feel either would be a good choice and far better than any of the present Republican offerings. I respect both of them and know that between them reason rather than emotion will prevail.
Should Mr Sanders surprise everyone and end up as the nominee your concerns may be validated in the upcoming election which might and probably would be a disaster if he then lost. The same is true if Mrs Clinton is the nominee and loses in the general.
I do however doubt followers of either would abandon the Democrats as the debate engendered between them clarifies as well as illustrates where we as a people need to go. Their discussion is for the most part civil, educational and in keeping with the freedom which underlies our process.
I am not concerned and feel either would be a good choice and far better than any of the present Republican offerings. I respect both of them and know that between them reason rather than emotion will prevail.
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If you say so! I think we would not be having this conversation if Elizabeth Warren was running for President! She would have wrapped this contest up already. We don't like Clinton because the only thing she stands for is whatever will get her elected. When elected she will stand for what will get her family paid!
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Jason,
I agree with you more than you may think and I also consider women by nature to be both more practical and pragmatic than men.
Although I prefer Mr Sanders, Ms. Clinton, if for no other reason than the above mentioned, would make a far better and accountable President than any of the present Republican field.
While Elizabeth Warren is not running we still have a choice between two gifted and equally skilled people one of whom had the good fortune to marry an equally gifted and talented woman.
As voters we are graced to have both Ms. Rodham and Mr. Sanders on the same side.
With no intent to pander .............We've come a long way baby!
I agree with you more than you may think and I also consider women by nature to be both more practical and pragmatic than men.
Although I prefer Mr Sanders, Ms. Clinton, if for no other reason than the above mentioned, would make a far better and accountable President than any of the present Republican field.
While Elizabeth Warren is not running we still have a choice between two gifted and equally skilled people one of whom had the good fortune to marry an equally gifted and talented woman.
As voters we are graced to have both Ms. Rodham and Mr. Sanders on the same side.
With no intent to pander .............We've come a long way baby!
The coal comment by Ms. Clinton was awkward despite being an unmistakeable and necessary fact. What she needed to have done was place it in the right context while explaining what she intended trying to do to replace the jobs that would be lost. She clearly needs some better spin doctors.
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I can only imagine the type of language Hillary will spew towards whites if minority made up more than 50% of voters. She have a lot of support among Asians from her First Lady days but her policy of promoting preferential treatment of certain groups at the advantage of white and Asians is disheartening. I can only imagine the number of white and Asian students that will be turned away by state college if she have her way.
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@AmateurHistorian
What are you saying?? -- Your argument seems to be drawn along racial-lines that exist solely in your head. Give FACTS please!!
What are you saying?? -- Your argument seems to be drawn along racial-lines that exist solely in your head. Give FACTS please!!
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Geography and demographics favors Sander's populist message. His campaign is not an anti-Clinton crusade but a critique of what issues resound with the poor, disenfranchised, middle and working classes. Hillary's strength is based on aligning herself with the Obama and Clinton's presidency's popularity! In the last democratic debate we saw what Hillary does best, pandering to the audience at hand and waffling on the issue of deportation; subsequently criticizing the president on the issue. The debate revealed the chameleon like qualities of Hilliary who will say and do anything; alter the facts; deny the facts and alter history. Hillary is dishonest, disingenuous, duplicitous, operating by a different set of rule by which a wrong can be explained and manipulated into a right by use of sophistry, obfuscation and prevarication!
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@Xanich
That's funny. For a "populist message", Sanders sure made a giant misstep by declaring: "only Blacks live in ghettos." And guess what? -- he has near-zero visibility among African-American and "Minority" voters. Exactly same demographic group he claims would benefit most by his social 'largesse'.
Talk about Obfuscation and Prevarication!!!
That's funny. For a "populist message", Sanders sure made a giant misstep by declaring: "only Blacks live in ghettos." And guess what? -- he has near-zero visibility among African-American and "Minority" voters. Exactly same demographic group he claims would benefit most by his social 'largesse'.
Talk about Obfuscation and Prevarication!!!
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I understand that someone that attended one of the $200,000 per hour speeches by Hillary that was "given" to Goldman is talking. Apparently she gave a pep talk that sounded like she worked for Goldman rather than for the American people. Slick Willy's Wench sold out the middle class some time ago and no longer works for the middle class, if she ever did. The Young Turks on you tube has more information. Bernie is right! Time for a political revolution.
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The Young Turks on YouTube also denies the Armenian genocide happened. I am not saying Hillary did or did not say something, I am just telling you The Young Turks shouldn't be a source of news/info for you. They have a very pro-Turkey agenda that's quite different from most bias you'd encounter in the US.
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You must have gotten this info from Trump's butler at his swank Flawda palace.
Was he wearing his red cap, signaling to the little people that he is having a no good, bad day at his private golf course??
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What about Bernie's words? The media doesn't focus on his mistakes and there are plenty. From praise for Fidel Castro to slamming Planned Parenthood to letting gun manufacturers off the hook to him saying women fantasize about being sexually assaulted, he doesn't have that repeated over and over again in the media headlines. And there is plenty we still don't know about Bernie, but we will find out when it is too late. The media is not vetting Bernie like the should. They are not informing the voters about him, they are just repeatedly amplifying the talking points against Hillary, many of which are just opinions with no proof to back them up. The media just wants to keep this race going for their own benefit. They could care less about democracy and an informed electorate.
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We're in this mess because of our hyper awareness and sound byte responses to everything said and done by anyone in office. Time to dial it back a bit, just maybe?
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The front runners are all too darn old.
Will possible vice presidential candidates start to be examined in depth.
One need not be an actuary to know that it is unlikely that both of the democratic candidates and Mr T. will be alive 8 years hence.
Will possible vice presidential candidates start to be examined in depth.
One need not be an actuary to know that it is unlikely that both of the democratic candidates and Mr T. will be alive 8 years hence.
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Saw that devastating ad about Trump and women last night on both CNN and MSNBC. It's the best political ad since Goldwater and the bomb. (Which someone should remake about Trump. It's terrifying to think of the unraveling Donald with the nuclear codes).
Wish the ad came out 3 weeks ago, but it will still be a gamechanger.
Wish the ad came out 3 weeks ago, but it will still be a gamechanger.
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I bet it didn't play on FOX where the folks most likely are holing up.
A house divided cannot stand. We must find some middle ground. Unfortunately, I don't see it in any of these candidates.
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Senator Sanders can bring us together. He has demonstrated a willingness to work across the aisle with decency and fairness.
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The thought of returning the Clintons and their coterie of ethical swamp things to the White House isn't appealing, but if the alternative is a vulgarian huckster selling his celebrity to ninnies or a crackpot socialist utopian selling smoke to the inexperienced and unrealistic, I'll have to take the Clintons.
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Just went to the gas station after voting, asked a guy next to me if he had voted yet - urged him to whatever his persuasion.
Seemed to be a reasonable man, affable, but this being Florida, said he was not eligible to vote as a resident. I asked, and he answered - he would vote for Trump.
I left. Glad that I had voted and he had not.
Seemed to be a reasonable man, affable, but this being Florida, said he was not eligible to vote as a resident. I asked, and he answered - he would vote for Trump.
I left. Glad that I had voted and he had not.
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Some irony there.
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One difficulty is that Sanders and Trump are the only candidates saying things which the establishment does not want to hear.
Trump has said that he would work for peace between Israel and Palestinians and I suspect that Netanyahu would find Mr. Trump to be tougher to deal with than he has found Mr. Obama.
For all of Trump's misogyny, he is the only Republican to say kind words about Planned Parenthood.
An evaluation of Trump needs to look at the whole picture.
People found Reagan alarming but he was the one who achieved the end of the cold war.
I would not vote for Trump, but neither will I leave the country if he becomes president. I will wait and see.
Trump has said that he would work for peace between Israel and Palestinians and I suspect that Netanyahu would find Mr. Trump to be tougher to deal with than he has found Mr. Obama.
For all of Trump's misogyny, he is the only Republican to say kind words about Planned Parenthood.
An evaluation of Trump needs to look at the whole picture.
People found Reagan alarming but he was the one who achieved the end of the cold war.
I would not vote for Trump, but neither will I leave the country if he becomes president. I will wait and see.
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"Opponents sought to portray Hillary Clinton as at odds with the white working class and Mr. Trump as a misogynist.
No sought about it, are you impaired?
No sought about it, are you impaired?
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I Disavow Trump.
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Overall looks pretty bleak across the board with this presidential election -- it has become all about who the best worst choice will be come November.
Chances are, come the summer of 2017, we will all be treated to a vision of the doubling down of the same partisan contentious dysfunction in the nation’s capital that has onerously played out for the last decade.
Underlying all of this is an impossibly divided American population mirrored in our ossified two party system which is totally incapable of any meaningful self-reformation. The current system is corrupt and profoundly fractured, yet we keep plodding down the same rutted path, apparently hoping for some form of divine intervention.
Chances are, come the summer of 2017, we will all be treated to a vision of the doubling down of the same partisan contentious dysfunction in the nation’s capital that has onerously played out for the last decade.
Underlying all of this is an impossibly divided American population mirrored in our ossified two party system which is totally incapable of any meaningful self-reformation. The current system is corrupt and profoundly fractured, yet we keep plodding down the same rutted path, apparently hoping for some form of divine intervention.
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In the early 90s is when I first read "Chaos - The Making of a New Science" (Gleick, 1987). It does a wonderful job in breaking down and explaining the sensitivity on initial conditions (aka the "Butterfly Effect").
If anything can, the Chaos Theory MAY apply/explain the 2016 election cycle...
If anything can, the Chaos Theory MAY apply/explain the 2016 election cycle...
It's futile to write in the hope of asking anyone to reflect on the justice of his -- apparently mostly his -- comments, I know. I've hesitated, thinking "what can I possibly hope to accomplish?" But I'll try: I'd ask so many of the Sanders supporters here to reflect on the inflammatory, angry, and -- yes -- sexist and racist tone of so many Sanders supporters' remarks. From Killer Mike and the young Bernie Bros to too many Sanders supporters commenting here, what I see coming from Sanders supporters is not hope and aspiration but language that is patronizing, arrogant, demeaning...can this possibly help our shared Progressive cause? When Sanders supporters say -- as too many of them do -- that they'd take Trump before Hillary, I'm aghast. When Sanders supporters violently criticize -- as too many of them do -- anyone who asks fairly whether Senator Sanders can't explain how we are going to pay for "free" college tuition and "free" health care, I can only shake my head: we Democrats are the ones who can have fair, spirited, honest debates about the issues! We aren't cult followers -- we're better than that! Why isn't it appropriate to ask Senator Sanders how he will achieve any of his policy aims? When Sanders supporters viciously attack a woman who has devoted her entire life to public service, to the needs of women and children and workers -- I wonder at the work we will have to do to come together as a party in November. I plead with you for civility.
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We voted for the establishment candidates election after election and we keep getting poorer and poorer! You throw the ACA on top of that which is corporate welfare to the most expensive healthcare system in the world. There has not been a push on the left to try to bring the costs down to make it more affordable. The Dems then shove a candidate down our throats that does not truly stand for anything but whatever will get her elected. HRC has shifted really far to the left on every issue in this election. She hold nothing sacred and she has a proven track record of looking out for corporate America over the citizens of this country!
What about Bernie's words? The media doesn't focus on his mistakes and there are plenty. From Castro to planned parenthood to letting gun manufacturers off the hook to saying women fantasize about being sexuslly assaulted, he doesn't have it repeated over and over again. And there is plenty we still don't know about Bernie. The media are not informing the voters about him, just over amplifying the talking points against Hillary. The media always disgusts me. They just want to keep the race going for their own benefit.
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Looks like you're getting a little nervous about the outcome of the race, Lynn... And well you should... The American People have awoken, and Hillary has been exposed for what she is... A Wall Street/Defense Industry/Fossil Fueled phony posing as someone who cares.
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Hillary is playing a shell-and-pea game of duplicitous dishonesty in her public pronouncements on all issues to gain the votes of Americans.
Hillary would NOT be a winning Presidential candidate or President because she has the capacity more to repel people (read voters) than to lead unity on important issues. She would be divisive as President in being unable to pull consensus together (read Congress), to generate new ideas (read policy building) and to build a just America (read Blacks). Hillary was a failure as Secretary of State because she never produced solutions to significant issues nor did she undo knots of problems.
An important passage in Charles Blow’s recent assessment of Hilary is that her “proclivity toward expedient alteration is precisely what fuels some people’s sense of her in particular as disingenuous and even dishonest.”
In a more recent article Charles Blow also stated that Hilary “is a hawkish political shape shifter, too cozy with big money … and who most Americans don’t trust.”
Bernie resonates with Americans in the issues he is focusing. His public policy proposals would support the disadvantaged, the poor, the middle class and correct the injustices and wrongs in America that have hurt too many Americans for too long. The Black community identifies with Bernie’s objectives and would be better served by Bernie as President than Hilary who is an opportunistic chameleon who is “disingenuous and even dishonest.”
Hillary would NOT be a winning Presidential candidate or President because she has the capacity more to repel people (read voters) than to lead unity on important issues. She would be divisive as President in being unable to pull consensus together (read Congress), to generate new ideas (read policy building) and to build a just America (read Blacks). Hillary was a failure as Secretary of State because she never produced solutions to significant issues nor did she undo knots of problems.
An important passage in Charles Blow’s recent assessment of Hilary is that her “proclivity toward expedient alteration is precisely what fuels some people’s sense of her in particular as disingenuous and even dishonest.”
In a more recent article Charles Blow also stated that Hilary “is a hawkish political shape shifter, too cozy with big money … and who most Americans don’t trust.”
Bernie resonates with Americans in the issues he is focusing. His public policy proposals would support the disadvantaged, the poor, the middle class and correct the injustices and wrongs in America that have hurt too many Americans for too long. The Black community identifies with Bernie’s objectives and would be better served by Bernie as President than Hilary who is an opportunistic chameleon who is “disingenuous and even dishonest.”
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I will miss President Obama dearly come January!
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I won't. Still too busy trying to figure out how to pay an outrageous healthcare deductible.
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I am a Black attorney in Washington DC.
Not only would I help Obama pack, but I'd buy two first class one way airline tickets for Obama back to Chicago.
He cannot leave my town and White House fast enough.
Not only would I help Obama pack, but I'd buy two first class one way airline tickets for Obama back to Chicago.
He cannot leave my town and White House fast enough.
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That's pessimistic; who says it isn't getting better, the Times?
The GOP has for about 30 years courted exactly the kinds of voters now supporting Trump. The party has only itself to blame for its current chaos.
The GOP, like Frankenstein, has created a monster it can not control, and it is getting just what it deserves.
The GOP, like Frankenstein, has created a monster it can not control, and it is getting just what it deserves.
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Yet the GOP has spent more money in 6 months to destroy Trump than the GOP spent to defeat Obama in 2008. Under no sane use of the human brain did the GOP create Trump, or is Trump an establishment Republican.
Obama supporters, seriously what's wrong with you?
Obama supporters, seriously what's wrong with you?
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Hillary Clinton has known that her words are always weapons used gleefully against her in an effort to shut her, and other women down. She just keeps at it and I will support her all the way. She also married into the white working class from the white middle class. Her mother in law was a hair dresser for goodness sake. Try to stick to the facts please.
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Hillary Clinton deserves extra points for being a woman. We're long past due having a woman lead the country and Hillary Clinton is absolutely qualified. And contrary to the endless attacks she holds Democratic values- her heart is the right place.
France at the turn of this century passed "parity" laws requiring political parties to put forward equal numbers of male and female candidates. Up until then France had an even lower number of women in elected office than the U.S. These laws have led to a new generation of women being elected to govern. Here, despite the great strides women have made they make up 20% of the members of Congress. I submit that we desperately need parity laws in this country- women are after all, HALF of the population. I am confident that a government made up of 50% women would be an entirely different and better government. I am confident that it would be a more peace oriented government.
While Bernie certainly says all the right things to a dyed in the wool Democrat like me he presents himself as another entitled, angry, yelling man, a mirror image of Donald Trump. Both of these men are used to being listened to as they yell and yell.
The attacks on Hillary by Bernie supporters who supposedly hold Democratic values have been beyond the pale. And inevitably when I look at who has authored the majority of those comments it is men. I'm expecting a vituperative response to this comment too.
France at the turn of this century passed "parity" laws requiring political parties to put forward equal numbers of male and female candidates. Up until then France had an even lower number of women in elected office than the U.S. These laws have led to a new generation of women being elected to govern. Here, despite the great strides women have made they make up 20% of the members of Congress. I submit that we desperately need parity laws in this country- women are after all, HALF of the population. I am confident that a government made up of 50% women would be an entirely different and better government. I am confident that it would be a more peace oriented government.
While Bernie certainly says all the right things to a dyed in the wool Democrat like me he presents himself as another entitled, angry, yelling man, a mirror image of Donald Trump. Both of these men are used to being listened to as they yell and yell.
The attacks on Hillary by Bernie supporters who supposedly hold Democratic values have been beyond the pale. And inevitably when I look at who has authored the majority of those comments it is men. I'm expecting a vituperative response to this comment too.
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The first sentence of your post is sexist... Pure an simple!
The uneven allocation of delegates from state to state is driving me nuts. Some are winner take all, some are proportional, and others are winner take most. I understand the electoral college, but when we have the same state awarding delegates differently to Republicans than to Democrats something is clearly awry.
In all Democratic primaries, the winner gets all the delegates for that state. In the Republican primaries it varies from state to state. If a Republican wins by a two votes in FL, he will get all FL's delegates; if he wins by two votes in Ill, the allocation of delegates is nominal.
I'm starting to favor the popular vote all around. The entire delegate configuration, from superdelegates to caucuses vs. primaries to proportional vs. WTA is frustrating to no end.
In all Democratic primaries, the winner gets all the delegates for that state. In the Republican primaries it varies from state to state. If a Republican wins by a two votes in FL, he will get all FL's delegates; if he wins by two votes in Ill, the allocation of delegates is nominal.
I'm starting to favor the popular vote all around. The entire delegate configuration, from superdelegates to caucuses vs. primaries to proportional vs. WTA is frustrating to no end.
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That's actually, factually, wrong. The Democrats mostly award delegates proportionately. They do not use the first-past-the-post allocation that will characterize almost all GOP primaries for the rest of the cycle.
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The critical issue today as an independent, anti-war and anti-conflict person is the same as it was in 2008. Who best represents my views of war is a waste and aerial bombardment has to be banned as a way to avoid human misery and suffering. The reason I backed president Obama in 2008 was that he was opposed to the Iraq war and he promised to end it and also end the war in Afghanistan. He did strive to end the wars and succeeded at least partially because the new political order in both countries is not sustainable because in the diplomacy front was not well managed by Secretary Clinton although the military did its part with distinction. What is worse is the during the years of the Arab spring at which time Sec. Clinton convinced the President to get involved in regime change with the use of military force and intelligence support in Syria, Libya and Yemen. We all know that this has been a colossal disaster resulting in an epic migration that is destabilizing stable European countries. Sec Kerry has done a splendid job in working the Iran deal and working on the Syrian peace deal. The Israel Palestinian peace deal has been a challenge and a mirage but trying to be a peace maker by taking sides is not going to fly and that is where Trump's position of a neutral America in negotiations for a deal between Israel and Palestine seems more likely to succeed. The other attractive feature of the simple and clear Trump foreign policy direction is making deals with friend and foe.
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Isn't it fun? The party establishments quake at the prospect their favorites might lose. They sling arrows and mud at the frontrunner (Republicans) or the upstart (Democrats). Which only serves to solidify support for the guys they'd each hate to see win. The establishment in total-- including major media outlets, ivory tower intellectuals, progressive/neocon thinkers (yes, they are essentially one and the same) and the cynical capitalists who employ them all as mouthpieces to justify the outrageously inequitable distribution of wealth that has obtained in this country since the fall of the Berlin Wall--is out of touch with the mood of the people. And the the people won't long be ignored. They get a vote, and they're voting in droves on both sides of the aisle against the status quo.
I hope Bernie and Trump continue to win. A political revolution is exactly what this country needs. The republic is strong and will be strengthened by it. The alternative is revolution that's not so peaceful. Because the US has become politically and economically unstable. Any time raw capitalism captures the levers of political power so completely that it impoverishes the people for whom the political system is supposed to exist, there obtains a latent instability that will find expression one way or another. Better the revolution be peaceful than violent. And no, a couple of protesters getting smacked around a bit at a political rally does not a violent revolution make.
I hope Bernie and Trump continue to win. A political revolution is exactly what this country needs. The republic is strong and will be strengthened by it. The alternative is revolution that's not so peaceful. Because the US has become politically and economically unstable. Any time raw capitalism captures the levers of political power so completely that it impoverishes the people for whom the political system is supposed to exist, there obtains a latent instability that will find expression one way or another. Better the revolution be peaceful than violent. And no, a couple of protesters getting smacked around a bit at a political rally does not a violent revolution make.
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Dear S.D. Keith:
Republicans are about to nominate their front runner who will go down in flames in the Fall. The Dems are not so foolish. Their front runner is a winner, her competition a grumpy old guy who doesn't stand a chance in a General. He's there's for show, to stay in the news, and to be used as a punching bag until the Main Event begins after the conventions.
Haven't you newbies to the process figured this game out yet? It's been played this way for decades. It will continue to be until true reform comes. But I wouldn't count on it happening.
DD
Manhattan
Republicans are about to nominate their front runner who will go down in flames in the Fall. The Dems are not so foolish. Their front runner is a winner, her competition a grumpy old guy who doesn't stand a chance in a General. He's there's for show, to stay in the news, and to be used as a punching bag until the Main Event begins after the conventions.
Haven't you newbies to the process figured this game out yet? It's been played this way for decades. It will continue to be until true reform comes. But I wouldn't count on it happening.
DD
Manhattan
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This rugged earth
Piles of mud
Last years grass
And the path
Claiming
Civil discourse is possible.
I've got only wind in my ears.
Piles of mud
Last years grass
And the path
Claiming
Civil discourse is possible.
I've got only wind in my ears.
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I wish the media would stop repeating the simplistic bromide that there is some kind of overlap or similarity between Trump's and Sanders supporters. An article in yesterday's NYT about Trump's supporters in Florida, showed that a degree of racial and/or anti-immigrant animus was motivating many of them. I've seen other interviews etc. that confirm this. I haven't seen any similar analysis that shows the same for Sander's backers. I'm sure it's there for some of them, but Sander's isn't stoking it and has openly rejected it.
Frankly, it's superficial reporting to posit that because both Trump and Sanders have large numbers of supporters who are white, older and working class, they must be appealing to the same "type" of voters. Common sense, and the course of this campaign, tells us they are not.
Frankly, it's superficial reporting to posit that because both Trump and Sanders have large numbers of supporters who are white, older and working class, they must be appealing to the same "type" of voters. Common sense, and the course of this campaign, tells us they are not.
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Yup, Trumps supporters are about as similar as Occupied folks, NOT!
Who's got the willpower to go without showers for weeks? A few wingnuts in the West and a whole lot of unemployed college graduates!! Trumps folks are as lasting as the cast of his shows.
Who's got the willpower to go without showers for weeks? A few wingnuts in the West and a whole lot of unemployed college graduates!! Trumps folks are as lasting as the cast of his shows.
Winning because of being the least unpopular is not a mandate from the people!
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Perhaps Mrs. Clinton should meet with the white mothers of gun violence. Or isn't their pain worth exploiting?
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I fear we have come to the place where only death at the hands of "stranger's" guns moves us to reaction as we tolerate our own kind killing us much more compassionately. But as for our governmental reactions, they have been stupidly useless and costly. The sign of a very corrupted society.
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Yes. I live in Ohio and Hillary has found her words. Too bad they are lies, but she never really lost those words anyway. She is running campaign ads in Ohio that are outright lies about Bernie Sanders record. If she wins the nomination, she has just alienated countless number of voters here, and across the country. Sadly, she has no soul. The press of course provides the whip for her in the "horse race" they love so much.
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Words? All is hear is Pandering.
For years, people have been grumbling about untrustworthy politicians who are financed and bought by large corporations. And, those dissatisfied people who even bother to vote, well, they hold their nose and select the least offensive candidate. The term "electability" that gets battered about makes me cringe. The media presents the candidates that it deems are electable, not the one(s) who are really listening to and giving voice to what middle class Americans want.
More Americans than ever before are classified as independent or undeclared voters. Why should they show loyalty to ether party? The Democratic Party has come to represent what the Republican Party used to stand for and the Republicans....well, they are way of the deep end of far right.
Neither party puts into action the words that speak to me.
For years, people have been grumbling about untrustworthy politicians who are financed and bought by large corporations. And, those dissatisfied people who even bother to vote, well, they hold their nose and select the least offensive candidate. The term "electability" that gets battered about makes me cringe. The media presents the candidates that it deems are electable, not the one(s) who are really listening to and giving voice to what middle class Americans want.
More Americans than ever before are classified as independent or undeclared voters. Why should they show loyalty to ether party? The Democratic Party has come to represent what the Republican Party used to stand for and the Republicans....well, they are way of the deep end of far right.
Neither party puts into action the words that speak to me.
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I'm hopeful that despite Donald T.rump's claim to be an "outsider," people who appreciate his blunt-talk will reflect on who he really is: all show & little substance. That he denigrates people as a matter of course should give voters pause. Why do you think he would treat you with any more respect?
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What makes you think Hillary and the other three also-ran republicans actually respect you? Because they say so and you trust them?
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I don't. But I know that Senator Sanders will.
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Wow the Hillary, supposed Liberals, Attack dogs are out in
droves today. And this is the NYTimes. Imagine what is being
said about her on the right wing blogs. If Hillary is so far to the
right why does the right hate her so much that they have encouraged
to join them in their vilification. Today I see not difference
between the Trump Voters and the Anti Hillary crowd. It's called
misogyny and white male privilege gone amok. Good luck with that.
droves today. And this is the NYTimes. Imagine what is being
said about her on the right wing blogs. If Hillary is so far to the
right why does the right hate her so much that they have encouraged
to join them in their vilification. Today I see not difference
between the Trump Voters and the Anti Hillary crowd. It's called
misogyny and white male privilege gone amok. Good luck with that.
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I listened to the town hall, am angry at how reporters enable political operatives to take a serious policy discussion and turn it into a negative attack. Here is as much of the Clinton coal miners quote that fits the word limit, found by googling for the CNN transcript.
"I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right, Tim (ph)?
And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.
Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on.
So whether it's coal country or Indian country or poor urban areas, there is a lot of poverty in America. We have gone backwards. We were moving in the right direction. In the '90s more people were lifted out of poverty than any time in recent history.
...
So I am passionate about this, which is why I have put forward specific plans about how we incentivize more jobs, more investment in poor communities, and put people to work. "
"I'm the only candidate which has a policy about how to bring economic opportunity using clean renewable energy as the key into coal country. Because we're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business, right, Tim (ph)?
And we're going to make it clear that we don't want to forget those people. Those people labored in those mines for generations, losing their health, often losing their lives to turn on our lights and power our factories.
Now we've got to move away from coal and all the other fossil fuels, but I don't want to move away from the people who did the best they could to produce the energy that we relied on.
So whether it's coal country or Indian country or poor urban areas, there is a lot of poverty in America. We have gone backwards. We were moving in the right direction. In the '90s more people were lifted out of poverty than any time in recent history.
...
So I am passionate about this, which is why I have put forward specific plans about how we incentivize more jobs, more investment in poor communities, and put people to work. "
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Bernie Sanders is the real deal, our beloved Uncle Sam. Hillary Clinton is Cruella De Vil, trying to abscond with middle class votes so she can parade anew around the White House with all her diabolical super PAC pals, and of course, Netanyahu's blessing. Think of all the wars she can start, and all the phony promises she can renege on, and the middle class she can further squeeze until there's nothing left but minimum wage, which, by the way, she's reluctant to raise to a decent standard. Deceit, thy name is Clinton.
The only choice is Bernie if we're to save the nation, so I really hope people come out in droves and support him. Feel the Bern!!
The only choice is Bernie if we're to save the nation, so I really hope people come out in droves and support him. Feel the Bern!!
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Dear God, do you hear yourselves? I honestly thought this was a parody comment at first, but I don't think it is. Hillary Clinton is a cartoonishly evil, cigar-chomping villain drinking the blood of innocents in her basement lair with the rest of the Illuminati? Bernie is going to save the nation?
Ugh. Waiting for a savior who is pure and uncorrupted by icky politics is one way to feel good about yourself, I guess. You get to be all passionate and intense and fervent and lose yourself in following someone. You get to imagine that Bernie will ride in on his unicorn and blast away racism and poverty with a blinding white light.
But I guarantee you, the second Bernie gets elected, you people are going to turn on him and eat him. The prophet is only ever pure enough for people like you when he's an underdog martyr. The second he has to dig in and work, you're going to faint at the sight of dirt under his nails.
Ugh. Waiting for a savior who is pure and uncorrupted by icky politics is one way to feel good about yourself, I guess. You get to be all passionate and intense and fervent and lose yourself in following someone. You get to imagine that Bernie will ride in on his unicorn and blast away racism and poverty with a blinding white light.
But I guarantee you, the second Bernie gets elected, you people are going to turn on him and eat him. The prophet is only ever pure enough for people like you when he's an underdog martyr. The second he has to dig in and work, you're going to faint at the sight of dirt under his nails.
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Most if not all politicians have absolutely no idea what it is like to be a middle class wage earner, not a one. Most especially HRC, she of the 1%. The empty promises on her part has been nauseating.
IF he had a chance I would vote for Bernie but Clinton has the backing of this paper and the Democratic machine so there you go. Another 4 years of corporate/Washington greed she will continue Obama's lovely (not) policies towards Wall Street and campaign reform. God help us all.
IF he had a chance I would vote for Bernie but Clinton has the backing of this paper and the Democratic machine so there you go. Another 4 years of corporate/Washington greed she will continue Obama's lovely (not) policies towards Wall Street and campaign reform. God help us all.
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Birds of a feather flock together. Too many racists are attracted to Trump.
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"Opponents sought to portray Hillary Clinton as at odds with the white working class.."
My oh my, reporters gaining their wisdom through their ghettoized echo chamber. If anything is true, it's the fact the the Sanders campaign does not have one dog whistle in their tool box. You'll find plenty of those chez the serial panderer HRC. Sanders message has been above board from the get-go.
One good example was: right at the start of his campaign, after being criticized by Black Lives Matter, he held a meeting with the BLM leadership and announced publicly his awareness of the systematic racial inequality in this nation. Hillary would have been a lot more measured.
My oh my, reporters gaining their wisdom through their ghettoized echo chamber. If anything is true, it's the fact the the Sanders campaign does not have one dog whistle in their tool box. You'll find plenty of those chez the serial panderer HRC. Sanders message has been above board from the get-go.
One good example was: right at the start of his campaign, after being criticized by Black Lives Matter, he held a meeting with the BLM leadership and announced publicly his awareness of the systematic racial inequality in this nation. Hillary would have been a lot more measured.
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Trump can be understood simply, as a property developer and builder. His political approach proceeds much in the fashion of a property development. First he surveys the property-in this case the Republican party. He obtains permits (petitions to get on ballot). He clears the field -(removes boulders, tree stumps/Bush/Fiorina/other opposition). At the same time he lines up financing and creates a brand "Make AmericaGreat Again". The process of clearing the field is often brutal. But once that is done he has to level it, and make sure the foundation is solid. This will lead him to unification and consolidation- a house built on a weak foundation can not stand. If you want to understand Trump, you must understand that he thinks like a builder, step by step. Perhaps it is simplistic, but just try it-and his psychology becomes predictable.
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"Property developer" is a four-letter word!
“Significant losses to Mr. Sanders in the Midwest, and in Ohio in particular, would send a shudder through a Democratic Party grappling with the rise of Mr. Trump — who himself appeals to working-class whites — leaving questions of whether Mrs. Clinton can connect to such voters in a general election.”
It is problematic whether the states in the South (traditional Republican states), in which Hillary Clinton has built up her delegate lead over Bernie Sanders with largely black voter support, would be winnable in the presidential election for either Sanders or Clinton. Bernie Sanders is winning Democratic primaries and caucuses in states that the Democratic nominee for President must win in the November election for President.
And, the large majority of establishment super-delegates, who now back Hillary Clinton, might well consider this very point and switch their allegiance to Bernie Sanders before the Democratic convention if winning both the Presidency and the open seats in Congress are considered by them to be imperative. There are no Democratic presidential candidate coattails in the South.
It is problematic whether the states in the South (traditional Republican states), in which Hillary Clinton has built up her delegate lead over Bernie Sanders with largely black voter support, would be winnable in the presidential election for either Sanders or Clinton. Bernie Sanders is winning Democratic primaries and caucuses in states that the Democratic nominee for President must win in the November election for President.
And, the large majority of establishment super-delegates, who now back Hillary Clinton, might well consider this very point and switch their allegiance to Bernie Sanders before the Democratic convention if winning both the Presidency and the open seats in Congress are considered by them to be imperative. There are no Democratic presidential candidate coattails in the South.
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"Those Bernie Sanders voters will be a heck of a lot more comfortable coming home to Hillary Clinton than they are with Donald Trump.”
DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH !
DON'T HOLD YOUR BREATH !
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Do you hold her to account for her husband and Phil Gramm bringing back the bucket shop so they could roll us up like a fat risk cigar and smoke us?
Me too, but I trend more toward getting even then self destruction. I want her to be forced to carry my platform. I'm forgiving like that.
Me too, but I trend more toward getting even then self destruction. I want her to be forced to carry my platform. I'm forgiving like that.
Wake up America......Bernie Sanders....is the only candidate that represents
you.
Fact check this please....NYTimes editors....because you cannot seem to write
the most obvious analysis:
Bernie....has been financed entirely by ....we the people....and this is the ONLY
candidate for President who can say this FACT...
If you think Editors...that campaigns for POTUS financed by Citizens United
is the will of the people...then please explain why you...Amy Chozick and
you Alan Rappeport can defend this view...and I ask this of the NYTimes
Editors as well.
What candidate for POTUS is showing the ...will of the people of the USA.
So please answer this question....and fact check it out...I am sick and tired
of the journalists equivocations on this issue...
you.
Fact check this please....NYTimes editors....because you cannot seem to write
the most obvious analysis:
Bernie....has been financed entirely by ....we the people....and this is the ONLY
candidate for President who can say this FACT...
If you think Editors...that campaigns for POTUS financed by Citizens United
is the will of the people...then please explain why you...Amy Chozick and
you Alan Rappeport can defend this view...and I ask this of the NYTimes
Editors as well.
What candidate for POTUS is showing the ...will of the people of the USA.
So please answer this question....and fact check it out...I am sick and tired
of the journalists equivocations on this issue...
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OK Hillary. We admit the listeners were guilty of miscombobbling your words, even thought they appear, in writing, to be pretty clear. Never trust an audience, is that the lesson?.
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Jeez, I needed a good laugh this morning.
As readers have written, this article isn't bad but there is an even better story on the front page but not the on-line version: "Sander's Roster of Modest Wins." This sounds fairly negative until and unless one reads the whole
article. Then you can see that Sanders has been very effective at getting things done via amendments, that he worked across the aisle in many cases, and has been consistent over the years. That is what we need in government. Please move this up so that on-line readers get the information!
article. Then you can see that Sanders has been very effective at getting things done via amendments, that he worked across the aisle in many cases, and has been consistent over the years. That is what we need in government. Please move this up so that on-line readers get the information!
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Very interesting, but: Trump believes what he says, and HRC does not believe a word she utters..
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Bernie is Captain America. Trump is Iron Man. #TeamCap
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Bernie is a child of the 40s and Trump a product of the MIC?
I can see that, but don't trust Trump not to dump a load of hot lead on anyone's head; too off with them for me.
I can see that, but don't trust Trump not to dump a load of hot lead on anyone's head; too off with them for me.
Due to strong media coverage on every word uttered by any potential nominee, I think Americans are very well informed on the issues and what Trump or Clinton and all of the others has said. People will vote for who represents their personal concerns the strongest. After elections words are forgotten, enemies become friends and that is how politics operates.
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It seems Hillary and Donald have more in common that media pundits wish to explore: The calculated reliance of one demographic. Hillary's over reliance on the [hoped for] perceived monolithic Southern African American vote and Donald- on the Angry [" I love the uneducated"] White Vote. Going forward- literally and figuratively; these voting demographics will not sustain either. Sanders' is another matter all together. His relatively [before] unknown positions and exposure have endeared him to White voters, but as we can all see; the more his message (finally) gets out and no thanks to the stingy media space- the more his message resonates with other groups:
Words DO matter; they can propel one forward or come back to bite you in the you-know- where.
Words DO matter; they can propel one forward or come back to bite you in the you-know- where.
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The issue for Democrats is that we aren't going to win the states that Hillary is winning and have a good chance to win a lot of Bernies' states. If he loses, he needs to enthusiastically endorse Hillary and tell his supporters they MUST get out to vote in November. The alternative is too frightening to contemplate.
“I hope Americans will choose optimism over fear, and hope over anger,” Mr. Rubio said at an event in Melbourne, Fla. “We plan to win tomorrow.”
I'm confused, I thought Rubio was a Republican candidate.
I'm confused, I thought Rubio was a Republican candidate.
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When candidates are speaking to the public on a nearly hourly basis, there are bound to be verbal blunders. Acknowledging and addressing them as necessary is also a part of the scrum. Trump doesn't bother and the same can be said for Cruz and Rubio. Whether they assume they can get away with it or don't care, the tone of the pre-election language is appalling.
Americans, by succumbing to the fire and brim stone of the candidates, is failing to consider what horrors await us if we return the same Congress to help or kill the next President. Congress has become the most destructive force before us. We've seen what they did to President Obama. Do we want four to eight more years of the same?
Americans, by succumbing to the fire and brim stone of the candidates, is failing to consider what horrors await us if we return the same Congress to help or kill the next President. Congress has become the most destructive force before us. We've seen what they did to President Obama. Do we want four to eight more years of the same?
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Not only does Hillary Clinton appear to be tone deaf, she also seems to be running a fatally flawed campaign. What is the point of basing a strategy on her appeal to black voters who comprise only 12% of the population and a sizeable portion of whom live in states where the electoral college votes are almost certainly going to the Republican nominee? It seems that once again the Democratic Party is assuming that enough voters will vote for their candidate in November even though they will feel the need to hold their noses while doing so. By contrast one can only describe Bernie Sanders as a breath of fresh air!
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Yes, the Democratic Party is taking a lot for granted in this election. Done nothing for the vast majority of their base, and no plans to do anything either if elected. The Democratic Party is in just as much deep water as the Republican Party--only they don't seem to know it yet. Fatal error.
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Only problem with this is that Hillary has won Democratic votes overwhelmingly...even in Michigan she won registered democrats by some 15 points...not mistake Bernie's appeal outside the Democratic party in open primaries as a Democratic endorsement...
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I usually check out the readers' picks for genuinely insightful comments and new perspectives on what I just read. Lately, though, the top thirty comments are all some variation on "Bernie's GREAT! Hillary stinks!" It's tiresome. If I wanted to listen to simple-minded, partisan sloganeering for the next 237 days, I would own a TV.
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Well, if you don't own a TV, you probably haven't seen any of the debates... Where Hillary equivocates, evades, outright lies, and plagiarizes Bernie's ideas, while Bernie passionately speaks the previously unspoken truth about the sad state of affairs America finds herself in after forty long years of corporatism - from both parties...
If you had watched, your own comment might very well reflect those that you now find objectionable...
If you had watched, your own comment might very well reflect those that you now find objectionable...
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Tom - please stop. There's a lot a like about Sanders, but his supporters tend to take a very condescending, hectoring, purer-than-thou, if you only understood your *real* self-interest, here-let-me-explain-things-to-you tone. You guys need to cut that out. It's obnoxious and very, very off-putting. Do you want to convince people to vote for your guy, or are you just interested in your prophet being the holiest?
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I don't think Bernie is too old. But I do think America is over the Hill!
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Maybe together, using her strengths and his, they can bring in one more crop and keep the farm running...
How can you possibly put Trump and Clinton in the same category as the title to this suggests? Absolutely ludicrous!
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I am appalled that the NYT seems to equate Hillary Clinton & D Trump in this article. There is nothing equivalent about their integrity or their commitment to the entire people of the US. Trump demonstrates an ugly hostility to women, minorities, any he deems less than perfect; Hillary is inclusive & hopes to serve all.
Too many journalists, reporters are struggling to remain above the fray, to remain impartial, as Donald Trump makes vulgarity and, even worse, racism and other irrational hatreds, part of the political discourse. But Trump has crossed the barrier of what is acceptable. He has incited violence, giving the naive, the uneducated, the angry, and the sociopaths who exist in most societies, free reign. This is a time when all decent people of all parties, including reporters usually expected to remain impartial, must speak out.
Too many journalists, reporters are struggling to remain above the fray, to remain impartial, as Donald Trump makes vulgarity and, even worse, racism and other irrational hatreds, part of the political discourse. But Trump has crossed the barrier of what is acceptable. He has incited violence, giving the naive, the uneducated, the angry, and the sociopaths who exist in most societies, free reign. This is a time when all decent people of all parties, including reporters usually expected to remain impartial, must speak out.
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'This is how Trump talks about our mothers, our sisters, our daughters'. How clueless and insensitive...of those making this claim. Your mothers, your sisters a and your daughters all have the vote. This is how Trump talks about US!
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Trump's comments about women are not about all women, but specific women. I've certainly made comments about individual men. It doesn't mean I don't like men, how absurd!
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It's unfortunate that there is only one candidate willing to discuss plan specifics - Ms. Clinton. She will certainly be getting my vote. I'm tired of all the big talk from both sides (yes, that includes you Bernie). Enough with the outrage - where are the solutions?
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American voters are also aware countries around the world are today using TRUMP’s mitigating threat proposals to address their countries catastrophic situations. These choices speak volumes to the value other countries must place on TRUMP’s proposals. The EU and other countries are in a downward spiral of devastation and destruction. Informed Americans know that unless America addresses their problems today they will become exactly like these other countries tomorrow. Staying the course is not an option. The only politician with an achievable path through these very real threats to America today is TRUMP.
TRUMP’s fastest growing voting support today is now coming from millions of American minorities and yes, democrats. Informed American Voters, of every demographic and party affiliation, are ferreting out all the campaign rhetoric nonsense and irrelevant alternatives, and are now increasingly pledging their support to TRUMP.
TRUMP’s fastest growing voting support today is now coming from millions of American minorities and yes, democrats. Informed American Voters, of every demographic and party affiliation, are ferreting out all the campaign rhetoric nonsense and irrelevant alternatives, and are now increasingly pledging their support to TRUMP.
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Americans are angry because of the corruption in our shadow gov't, a gov't, that will NOT respond or acknowledge the average citizen. It's made up of Big Law, Big Pharma, Big Military/Industrial Complex.
The Corruption is deep and systemic, taken years to build up.
Americans want someone to speak to their rage at the machine of political corruption - the State Dept. is a treacherous place, with several agendas set in motion; its tentacles spread to the Pentagon and the outsourcing of the Military Industrial Complex, which leads to the unceasing war mongering we have seen that puts the average American at great risk, but lines the pockets of Big Law, and politicians, except Sanders, who is focused on our domestic/foreign policy.
It will not be Hillary or Trump. They are part of the problem, not the solution and while Trump's message might not change, and Hillary's only changes (but she really knows what her agenda is, don't kid yourself), under either of them, we will see the deepening of what we are hoping to escape - political corruption run by Wall Street, which has been empowered since the removal of Glass-Steagall. Foreign banks are laundering military industrial money, Madoff Ponzi schemes are the tip of the iceberg. There was a point where Madoff was the Head of the NASDAQ....a "pillar" of society. The SEC knew for years, and looked the other way because Big Law/our Shadow Gov't had Madoff's back.
Only Sanders is willing to tell the truth.
The Corruption is deep and systemic, taken years to build up.
Americans want someone to speak to their rage at the machine of political corruption - the State Dept. is a treacherous place, with several agendas set in motion; its tentacles spread to the Pentagon and the outsourcing of the Military Industrial Complex, which leads to the unceasing war mongering we have seen that puts the average American at great risk, but lines the pockets of Big Law, and politicians, except Sanders, who is focused on our domestic/foreign policy.
It will not be Hillary or Trump. They are part of the problem, not the solution and while Trump's message might not change, and Hillary's only changes (but she really knows what her agenda is, don't kid yourself), under either of them, we will see the deepening of what we are hoping to escape - political corruption run by Wall Street, which has been empowered since the removal of Glass-Steagall. Foreign banks are laundering military industrial money, Madoff Ponzi schemes are the tip of the iceberg. There was a point where Madoff was the Head of the NASDAQ....a "pillar" of society. The SEC knew for years, and looked the other way because Big Law/our Shadow Gov't had Madoff's back.
Only Sanders is willing to tell the truth.
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More than Clinton's words have gotten her in trouble.
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Clinton made the same mistake in 2016 that she did in 2008--she began her campaign with an air of entitlement and only too late tried to dial that down. She says she's running for all women, but people can tell she's really running for herself.
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Diane, Hillary Clinton did not begin her campaign with any "air of entitlement" or, for that matter, expecting a coronation or any of the other tired memes trotted out by those who vilify her. She started off as the uncontested candidate. Period. Months later, others appeared in the race and, only when it appeared that they might be a threat, based on polling numbers, did she level any kind of attack and even those have been very mild. Probably because she gets judged harshly (and, frankly, unfairly) if she levels any kind of criticism against anyone else.
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Get over it. We need a serious leader and this harping sanders-led slander to attack Secretary Clinton on emotional terms is really harming the party, the election, the country and the world. You don't have to like or be best friends to vote for a President. Sanders is dishonest about why he's running, how he intends to socialize the economy single handedly, and how he intends to finance the free social programs without the "Wall Street" he so luxuriously wishes to discard. Sanders has not disavowed the violence that is part and parcel with all Socialist programs, past and present. Sanders has not achieved anything but saying how much he hates America. That is not a candidate who can serve in office, who can disarm conflict, who can set and achieve a social agenda like rights for women and gun control. Vote your life not your newfound co-religionist in personal attacks.
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So, then why to so many African Americans (men and women, poor and not) like her? If she were such an entitled and selfish woman, you would think that such an historically disenfranchised group in our country would not support her. I think that Hillary Clinton while not perfect (and who is), has done many great things in the service of others, but decades of Republican smearing have been successful and people believe the spin.
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The tabloid media is so anti-Hilary. She is always being dissed by the tabloids because she is a white woman.
I don't think Trump can be stopped. He will destroy America. As would Cruz and Sanders.
I don't think Trump can be stopped. He will destroy America. As would Cruz and Sanders.
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hope Americans will choose optimism over fear, and hope over anger,” Mr. Rubio said at an event in Melbourne, Fla. “We plan to win tomorrow.”
Boy where was Rubio in 2004 when people were encouraged George Bush would be "tough on terror". It's true tut words have consequences.
Not everyone is fact-checking everything.
GOP can't turn around the night before an important primary day and expect to have its constituents hear and absorb that everything since Nixon's southern strategy was wrong.
Boy where was Rubio in 2004 when people were encouraged George Bush would be "tough on terror". It's true tut words have consequences.
Not everyone is fact-checking everything.
GOP can't turn around the night before an important primary day and expect to have its constituents hear and absorb that everything since Nixon's southern strategy was wrong.
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The only person with more haters than Clinton and Trump, is Tom Brady.
Because he is far and away the best.
Both Clinton and Trump are the best candidates their parties have to offer. The haters will always be there.
What becomes unfair, just like in the Brady case, is when the media also becomes a hater.
Because he is far and away the best.
Both Clinton and Trump are the best candidates their parties have to offer. The haters will always be there.
What becomes unfair, just like in the Brady case, is when the media also becomes a hater.
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With both "establishment" parties, the One Percent, corporate oligarchs and most media outlets against him I can't wait to read and hear what other dastardly deeds Mr. Trump will be accused of either rightly or wrongly. The closer we get to November the more frightened these self-appointed princes become of the end of their rule over American society. This will be very interesting.
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When a commentator wrote " Keep America great. Keep Trump out of the White House" it was a statement the whole of civilized world agree.
In the assessment of the German magazine Spiegel International portraits of Donald Trump as the "leader of a new, hate-filled authoritarian movement. Nothing would be more harmful to the idea of the West and world peace than if he were to be elected president"..
Many Republicans view dimly the very qualities that were appreciated world over for Mr. Obama. Deliberation is seen as hesitancy; patience as weakness. His call for tolerance and passionate embrace of America’s growing diversity is viewed with suspicion and anger the rapidly changing demographics of America. The president’s emphasis on diplomacy is viewed as appeasement.
If we take Trump at his word, the United States will soon be surrounded by a high wall. The country will only be able to engage in limited trade, because the tariffs will be so high. Eleven million immigrants will have left the United States in cloak-and-dagger operations. The days of the United States as a country of immigrants would be over, once and for all.
Trumps is very thin skinned and aggressive When provoked, he talks excessively of revenge. It is shuddering to think what could happen if a man like that had his finger on the button of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.
Rest of all the candidates from both the parties, appears to be angels in comparison!
In the assessment of the German magazine Spiegel International portraits of Donald Trump as the "leader of a new, hate-filled authoritarian movement. Nothing would be more harmful to the idea of the West and world peace than if he were to be elected president"..
Many Republicans view dimly the very qualities that were appreciated world over for Mr. Obama. Deliberation is seen as hesitancy; patience as weakness. His call for tolerance and passionate embrace of America’s growing diversity is viewed with suspicion and anger the rapidly changing demographics of America. The president’s emphasis on diplomacy is viewed as appeasement.
If we take Trump at his word, the United States will soon be surrounded by a high wall. The country will only be able to engage in limited trade, because the tariffs will be so high. Eleven million immigrants will have left the United States in cloak-and-dagger operations. The days of the United States as a country of immigrants would be over, once and for all.
Trumps is very thin skinned and aggressive When provoked, he talks excessively of revenge. It is shuddering to think what could happen if a man like that had his finger on the button of the largest nuclear arsenal in the world.
Rest of all the candidates from both the parties, appears to be angels in comparison!
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Can we dispel with the fiction that Sanders is the stronger candidate against Trump in the general. America Rising is spending money against Hillary NOT Bernie.
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By we go to sleep tonight, the Sanders campaign will have become a mathematical impossibility, and everyone but the crazy fringe among his supporters will start uniting behind the presumptive nominee.
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Crazy fringe? It is words such as these that will have Bernie supporters either sitting out the election or voting for Trump. Clearly, the "Democratic" Party establishment will never let Bernie become the nominee, but if you really believe that his supporters, millions of American voters, represent a crazy fringe, you deserve The Clintons, but America does not.
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Well, if you don't want a President Trump, you'd better stop being so dismissive of Sanders's supporters because unless Hillary and her followers really court them, they will sit home in November through disillusionment.
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I said "the crazy fringe among his supporters," not that most of his supporters are a crazy fringe (though I've got to say, they're the loudest). BTW, if by some unlikely twist of events he wins the nomination, I will vote for him.
I don't care about Clinton only the you at the NYT's insist people do.Many
of us see her as another version Trump.Sanders will win the nomination and the presidency.
of us see her as another version Trump.Sanders will win the nomination and the presidency.
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It is going to be an exciting day!
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Blacks who make up their minds about Bernie Sanders because he's a white male are just as bad as whites who made up their minds about Obama because he's a black male.
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But TFree - there’s some history to back up the comment. What has Sanders done for African Americans, up there in Vermont, vs Clinton, in NY, Arkansas, the White House, as Secretary of State?
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How can Hillary relate to working white voters?She can't.The more I see/hear her,the less impressed I am.
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Unfortunate title to this article given the violence associated with Trump's words. Hardly subliminal false equivalency.
It is completely irresponsible for Chozik to quote the " put miners out of work" comment without the rest of the sentence. The whole point was that we should not forget about the miners who will be put out of work, and invest in their communities to ensure they have new jobs that are better than risking life and limb for generations in a mine.
Instead, as is typical for political reporters, this article just parrots the out of context sentence fragment, enabling the political operative who snatches it to use it as a bludgeon, ignoring the opportunity for substantive policy debate.
Instead, as is typical for political reporters, this article just parrots the out of context sentence fragment, enabling the political operative who snatches it to use it as a bludgeon, ignoring the opportunity for substantive policy debate.
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I hardly think Hillary or her supporters can complain about people parsing words or taking things out of context. She is the queen of taking things out of context - like Bernie's vote on the Wall Street bill, or worse, saying Bernie voted for vigilantes on the borders.
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Reply to TFreePress. I too thought the " vigilante " comment was wrong. However, surely even Bernie Sanders should admit ( but he hasn't) that if he had voted for Teddy Kennedy's 2007 immigration bill, millions of people would have been taken out of the shadows and allowed to become full contributors to America. Yes, at the time I too was distressed by there the "guest worker" program, but I would rather be fighting over that than still, nearly a decade later, see millions of families broken up and children living in fear that their mother might be snatched at work and deported.
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One would think such an "experienced" candidate, especially one who serve as the senior American diplomat, could find better ways to express herself. But, after hearing former secretary not all bright, one lowers the bar. Disclaimers and falsification seem to be the hallmarks of the Clinton campaign.
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Its time for the winner to change the gear and move a notch up above the rest . Till now , all are scoring points on the negatives of the other . This strategy cant make the winner . Mrs Clinton has to now come out with some brilliant positive idea of future that can make the country great !!! Matching negatives with denial is a sure way to defeat.
Explain your plan for economic revival and the opponents would be in trouble
Explain your plan for economic revival and the opponents would be in trouble
Suprising that someone who gets $200,000 plus for a 45 minute speech doesn't resonate with the middle class...
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I would still like to know what words Hillary used in her speeches to Goldman Sachs and all the other Wall Street firms she gave speeches to for millions of dollars.
In the last debate, she laughed when she was asked to release the speeches. How arrogant. The voters aren't laughing and have a right to know what she is saying in private, and I bet you it's not her so-called-solution of "cut it out," which was one of her previous debate responses when asked how she would reform Wall Street. She is corrupt.
Bernie 2016.
In the last debate, she laughed when she was asked to release the speeches. How arrogant. The voters aren't laughing and have a right to know what she is saying in private, and I bet you it's not her so-called-solution of "cut it out," which was one of her previous debate responses when asked how she would reform Wall Street. She is corrupt.
Bernie 2016.
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I really dislike both Trump and Hillary. Really. This is the most disappointing election of my lifetime.
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And I really dislike the Republican and Democrats. Really, both party's bahavior toward non-chosen candidate is abhorrent. It is as if they are willing to kill democracy if their candidate didn't win.
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PS,
Because it resonates with most of the comments, since the campaigns began, in my opinion.
And it's heartfelt.
Because it resonates with most of the comments, since the campaigns began, in my opinion.
And it's heartfelt.
can anything top 2000 ?
if you had written a screenplay that portrayed those events it would have been rejected as being too over th top
if you had written a screenplay that portrayed those events it would have been rejected as being too over th top
Sanders' caveat is true, but, as for her overwhelming black support, the black activist, Randall Robinson, put it best: "For God's sake, why?"
As primaries/polls/results head south, the Clintons increasingly demagogue race.
"Hillary's Firewall"/"drag & drop" are virulent, insidious, dehumanizing racism/vote-stealing/vote-denial disguised as voting rights. When Clintons ran AR, NAACP sued them for intimidating blacks at polls.
Michelle Alexander: "There is such a thing as a lesser evil & Hillary is not it"—The Nation: "Why H. Clinton Doesn’t Deserve Black Vote"
The black Faustian bargain knowingly rests on a false premise—one's virtuousness is determined by one's policy positions rather than if one has a moral core. This compartmentalization spills toxicity into–corrupts–the culture.
It produces disturbing dissonance, often w/ dangerous consequences. Examples: Clinton cloaks her reflexive abuse of women w/ VAWA, cloaks her complicity in Rwanda genocide w/ policy crumbs
Clinton role in Rwandan genocide/Haitian refugee repatriation to certain death/Ricky Ray Rector execution/expansion of mass incarceration should have long ago disabused all blacks—& all whites—of Clinton nostalgia.
Character is the primary determinant of future behavior. Clinton must not be trusted by anyone, black, brown or white, red, blue or purple.
Clinton voters began making their Faustian bargain long ago, betraying not only blacks & women, but all of us. The devil is now getting his due.
As primaries/polls/results head south, the Clintons increasingly demagogue race.
"Hillary's Firewall"/"drag & drop" are virulent, insidious, dehumanizing racism/vote-stealing/vote-denial disguised as voting rights. When Clintons ran AR, NAACP sued them for intimidating blacks at polls.
Michelle Alexander: "There is such a thing as a lesser evil & Hillary is not it"—The Nation: "Why H. Clinton Doesn’t Deserve Black Vote"
The black Faustian bargain knowingly rests on a false premise—one's virtuousness is determined by one's policy positions rather than if one has a moral core. This compartmentalization spills toxicity into–corrupts–the culture.
It produces disturbing dissonance, often w/ dangerous consequences. Examples: Clinton cloaks her reflexive abuse of women w/ VAWA, cloaks her complicity in Rwanda genocide w/ policy crumbs
Clinton role in Rwandan genocide/Haitian refugee repatriation to certain death/Ricky Ray Rector execution/expansion of mass incarceration should have long ago disabused all blacks—& all whites—of Clinton nostalgia.
Character is the primary determinant of future behavior. Clinton must not be trusted by anyone, black, brown or white, red, blue or purple.
Clinton voters began making their Faustian bargain long ago, betraying not only blacks & women, but all of us. The devil is now getting his due.
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Brilliant, absolutely brilliant.
Precisely what we need; more exposure from concerned people such as yourself.
Unwittingly, the Times aided Sanders with its endorsement of Hillary, and is watching helplessly as the people speak out, exposing the establishment and its desperate attempt to maintain the status quo.
As Sanders has said, he needs to win by an historic landslide, for this obstructionist Congress to realize the people are coming for them, during the two midterms that will occur during Sanders two terms.
Precisely what we need; more exposure from concerned people such as yourself.
Unwittingly, the Times aided Sanders with its endorsement of Hillary, and is watching helplessly as the people speak out, exposing the establishment and its desperate attempt to maintain the status quo.
As Sanders has said, he needs to win by an historic landslide, for this obstructionist Congress to realize the people are coming for them, during the two midterms that will occur during Sanders two terms.
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“Instead of fighting it, get used to it,” Mr. Trump said.
Was he talking about his rape of American democracy ?
Was he talking about his rape of American democracy ?
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I started out supporting Trump, because he was not a Politician & self funded.I over looked his coarse early statements and laughed them off, but he has turned into a rabble rouser pandering to the lowest elements in the Republican Party. This was the year I was going to cross over & vote for a Republican, it would be the first time in my Life.What drove me to this position was the obvious Anti Semitism radiating from the black & hispanic liberals, & supported by Muslims.While the Liberals were demonstrating against Israel on the college campuses, the Republican Candidates were supporting Israel.To me and many of the Jews that Support Israel, being against Israel is tantamount to being against the Jewish people. Martin Luther King said this, as he reprimanded his flock for having anti Israeli sentiments.
I will vote for Sanders if he gets the nomination, but I find difficult to vote for Clinton, which leaves me with the possibility of Cruz, who will stymy the progress we accomplished under Obama, As a strong advocate of the separation between Church & State, I will hold my nose & vote for Clinton, rather than cast ny vote for Cruz or Trump.Once again, I'm voting for the lesser of two evils.
I will vote for Sanders if he gets the nomination, but I find difficult to vote for Clinton, which leaves me with the possibility of Cruz, who will stymy the progress we accomplished under Obama, As a strong advocate of the separation between Church & State, I will hold my nose & vote for Clinton, rather than cast ny vote for Cruz or Trump.Once again, I'm voting for the lesser of two evils.
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You have stated the position of many. I can't believe that it is likely I will vote for HRC, a woman I think has never met a lie she didn't like and is so corrupt as to make politicians in general seem honest and yet compared to Cruz, she is the more attractive of the two candidates; I don't like Trump but at least I would consider voting for him over HRC, Cruz NEVER NEVER NEVER.
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“Bernie Sanders is running a great campaign, and he’s talking about issues that resonate,” Mr. Ryan said. But, he added, “those Bernie Sanders voters will be a heck of a lot more comfortable coming home to Hillary Clinton than they are with Donald Trump.”
- wanna bet?
- wanna bet?
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Bernie's right, Folks...
It's all about the turnout...
A call out to Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, Florida, and North Carolina... If you want seize America back from the oligarchs, plutocrats, oil barons, and Wall Street thieves that have sold the American citizenry down the river for the last forty years, you have to do your part...
Get up, get out, and get voting!
It's all about the turnout...
A call out to Ohio, Illinois, Missouri, Florida, and North Carolina... If you want seize America back from the oligarchs, plutocrats, oil barons, and Wall Street thieves that have sold the American citizenry down the river for the last forty years, you have to do your part...
Get up, get out, and get voting!
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• “It’s the best Guinness I’ve ever had! A Youngstown Guinness!” Mrs.Clinton said after taking a long sip of the frothy brown brew.
This is like saying “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business” in Columbus on Sunday!
She's outsourcing. Shoulda been "sipping" Sam Adams and Kentucky bourbon, the best thing ever came out of America! Granted, I drink Jameson as well, though it's Irish, but Canada, as well as Ireland are part of the British "Commonwealth".
However, I ALWAYS drink local micro-brews, whether at home or at Paddy's, my favourite brewpub here.
The perfect match: http://www.from-the-doghouse.com/Wolfville-DgH/Paddys-JB_5027.jpg
"I was brought up to believe that Scotch whisky would need a tax preference to survive in competition with Kentucky bourbon.”
~ JUSTICE HUGO BLACK
(1886 – 1971)
American politician and jurist, one of the most influential Supreme Court justices in the 20th century.
HAPPY SAINT PADDY'S, EVERYONE!!!
This is like saying “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business” in Columbus on Sunday!
She's outsourcing. Shoulda been "sipping" Sam Adams and Kentucky bourbon, the best thing ever came out of America! Granted, I drink Jameson as well, though it's Irish, but Canada, as well as Ireland are part of the British "Commonwealth".
However, I ALWAYS drink local micro-brews, whether at home or at Paddy's, my favourite brewpub here.
The perfect match: http://www.from-the-doghouse.com/Wolfville-DgH/Paddys-JB_5027.jpg
"I was brought up to believe that Scotch whisky would need a tax preference to survive in competition with Kentucky bourbon.”
~ JUSTICE HUGO BLACK
(1886 – 1971)
American politician and jurist, one of the most influential Supreme Court justices in the 20th century.
HAPPY SAINT PADDY'S, EVERYONE!!!
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I will never "come home" to Clinton. Clinton is not at my home. To the extent that Clinton actually holds policy positions apart from her self-promotion, those policies are alien to my political and moral hearth.
Clinton is very adept at covering a conservative, corporate, aggro-diplomatic core with liberal puff talk and tokenism. When Sanders was getting arrested at Civil Rights marches she supported Mr. States Rights Goldwater. Out of law school she did some pro-bono work for a Black child charity while working for a firm specializing in insurance defense and legal tax-avoidance for rich people. Pretending to be pro labor she was on the board of Walmarts and promoted NAFTA. At State, her one great achievement was promoting the devastation of Libya. She gave four speeches on Keystone to Canadian chambers of commerce and as many to Goldman Sachs, but refuses to release transcripts. Why not? Yes, she is pro-woman (whatever that means exactly) but she opposed gay marriage until the very last when the political wind turned. She is more at home with the Kock Bros. than with me.
If the Democratic Party nominates Clinton, it will have left my home and lost my vote. Period. I will not be made the deluded instrument of my own undoing.
Clinton is very adept at covering a conservative, corporate, aggro-diplomatic core with liberal puff talk and tokenism. When Sanders was getting arrested at Civil Rights marches she supported Mr. States Rights Goldwater. Out of law school she did some pro-bono work for a Black child charity while working for a firm specializing in insurance defense and legal tax-avoidance for rich people. Pretending to be pro labor she was on the board of Walmarts and promoted NAFTA. At State, her one great achievement was promoting the devastation of Libya. She gave four speeches on Keystone to Canadian chambers of commerce and as many to Goldman Sachs, but refuses to release transcripts. Why not? Yes, she is pro-woman (whatever that means exactly) but she opposed gay marriage until the very last when the political wind turned. She is more at home with the Kock Bros. than with me.
If the Democratic Party nominates Clinton, it will have left my home and lost my vote. Period. I will not be made the deluded instrument of my own undoing.
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Did you vote for Ralph Nader in 2000. Thanks for Roberts and Alito on the Court, Citizens United, and all the working poor in Republican states who are dying due to lack of medical insurance due to the Republicans on the Supreme Court allowing their states to dent Medicaid expansion.
And by the way, if you like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, remember why she sits on the Supreme Court. She was appointed by Bill Clinton.
And by the way, if you like Ruth Bader Ginsburg, remember why she sits on the Supreme Court. She was appointed by Bill Clinton.
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Chip,
From your lips to God's ears.
Another report in the Times this morning discusses how Mr. Obama "changed his mind" with respect to the environmental drilling disaster waiting to occur, which he had earlier approved, and only changed it after the people spoke loudly, and clearly, with one voice, as they are now doing this election year, in an all or nothing attempt to stop our Corporate owned government in its tracks, and hopefully during the two midterms of a Sanders two terms, we will send the obstructionist members of Congress packing as well.
From your lips to God's ears.
Another report in the Times this morning discusses how Mr. Obama "changed his mind" with respect to the environmental drilling disaster waiting to occur, which he had earlier approved, and only changed it after the people spoke loudly, and clearly, with one voice, as they are now doing this election year, in an all or nothing attempt to stop our Corporate owned government in its tracks, and hopefully during the two midterms of a Sanders two terms, we will send the obstructionist members of Congress packing as well.
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Isn't Jameson's a Protestant whisky?
How can you compare these two candidates is baffling. No matter what, it is time for the press to stop the equivocations with respect to Trump. The US is playing with fire advancing Trump's neo-fascism, and the press has to do its duty sorting out the truth. Trump is the Hugo Chavez of American politics. Also at the time of the rise of Hugo Chavez, the NYTimes was "balancing and blending" positions, not stating the obvious-that Chavez had attempted a coup and that he divided Venezuelan society on the basis of social resentment. What has happened in Venezuela? Utter destruction of the sociopolitical fabric. It can happen here, especially thanks to the cowardly press. Do your duty! I wont expect you will publish this, but at least someone will read it in there.
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Amazing that you see Trump as Chavez when, even by your criteria, Sanders is the real Chavez.
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Read it. And Chavez is an interesting comparison.
I'd rather someone who only uses insulting words over someone whose actions break laws, cover up sexual assaults, coverup shady deals, etc. Words don't trouble me, especially when they're out in the open. Behavior does, especially when it's always secretive.
I don't expect my candidate to be politically correct. I do expect him or her to be a law-abiding citizen with integrity.
I don't expect my candidate to be politically correct. I do expect him or her to be a law-abiding citizen with integrity.
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A vote for Hillary is a vote for a Republican in the White House... She cannot win the general election... America doesn't trust her (and shouldn't). Look at the national polls for proof.
In contrast, Bernie Sanders wins every national poll against every Republican opponent.
In contrast, Bernie Sanders wins every national poll against every Republican opponent.
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and who is giving huge funds to the Pacs running ads against Clinton and Trump? largely the same old oil/coal billionaires who had hoped that Bush/Rubio/Cruz would eliminate their taxes and crush the EPA and any environmental agreement.
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Make no mistake that Hillary is at odds with the white and the BLACK working class, most of the latter just don't know it given Hillary's charade.
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-...
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-...
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“We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” What a dumb thing to say. Yes, we need to replace coal with a cleaner form of energy and yes the coal companies can be very low life in their decisions but the coal miners have only got the coal mines until the day we have readily accessible clean energy. That is the only way they have to make a living. Why would any smart candidate say a thing like that? This statement combined with the rousing statement she made about how Ronald Reagan helped fight the aids crisis shows how really out of touch she is with the people she hopes will vote for her. Everyone that has followed the AIDS/HIV epidemic in the United States knows that we have Ronald Reagan to thank for ignoring the disease and allowing it to proliferate. The combination of these two statements from a woman that is supposedly "in touch" leads me to lean toward voting for Bernie Sanders. Until this week I had no idea how really disconnected from reality this woman really has become.
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She said that as the beginning of a sentence that urged us not to forget the coal miners. Of course, very few people listened to the town hall on CNN or heard the full thought, so political operatives can take these words out of context and beat her over the head with them.
As for Nancy Reagan, I remember years of anger and frustration as AIDS spread and the Reagans ignored or implied they agreed with condemnation and victim blame until their friend Rock Hudson was stricken. But if I remember correctly, after years of AIDS infected hemophiliac children being shunned and kept out of schools, Nancy Reagan hugged an AIDS infected child, which was a big deal at the time. So, perhaps, as a kind word at the funeral, Clinton remembered that moment. As with others, I dont have much good to say about the Reagans on AIDS or any other subject, but think I understand Clintons comment-- Clinton's attention was focused on children's issues, and Nancy Reagan hugged a shunned child.
As for Nancy Reagan, I remember years of anger and frustration as AIDS spread and the Reagans ignored or implied they agreed with condemnation and victim blame until their friend Rock Hudson was stricken. But if I remember correctly, after years of AIDS infected hemophiliac children being shunned and kept out of schools, Nancy Reagan hugged an AIDS infected child, which was a big deal at the time. So, perhaps, as a kind word at the funeral, Clinton remembered that moment. As with others, I dont have much good to say about the Reagans on AIDS or any other subject, but think I understand Clintons comment-- Clinton's attention was focused on children's issues, and Nancy Reagan hugged a shunned child.
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"his descriptions of women, including “bimbo,” “dog” and “fat pig.”".
Those were comments made about individuals, not about a gender. Incredibly sexist to say they were about a gender.
Very biased and sexist article.
Those were comments made about individuals, not about a gender. Incredibly sexist to say they were about a gender.
Very biased and sexist article.
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Good point, but still they are out of line. We will miss the civility of Obama.
On the other hand, our civil president has used his drones to kill several thousand people without trial; and his upsetting of Gaddafi and his cry "Assad must go," imitating Saudi Arabia, have led to several hundred thousand dead.
On the other hand, our civil president has used his drones to kill several thousand people without trial; and his upsetting of Gaddafi and his cry "Assad must go," imitating Saudi Arabia, have led to several hundred thousand dead.
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That a presidential contender would glibly use terms like that at all to describe people is appalling.
"Bimbo", "dog" and "fat pig" are the more gentle epithets included in the ad. It contains other Trump comments about women in general that are far uglier. People who continue to give Trump the "benefit of the doubt" with regard to his ugly comments and divisive rhetoric are deluding themselves.
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If Sanders is such an Independent why did he sell-out after forty years and become a Democrat last year to run for the presidency. Talk about the height of hypocrisy. A politician to the core is he.
DD
Manhattan
DD
Manhattan
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If the DNC hands Hillary the nom he'll run as an independent. Frankly I'd love to see a four-way race: Clinton and Cruz representing the establishment and Cruz and Sanders representing actual humans. It is the election we deserve. The DNC has as much to learn as the GOP; both have been impossibly hubristic for decades.
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Dear Incred.:
Just because you say it isn't so.
The DNC will "hand" Hillary the nomination because she is the only Dem running. Sanders is not a Dem. He's an Independent who hitched a ride on the DNC bandwagon. That is what Sanders has been doing his entire career. To function in Congress you must be a member of one of the two major parties. Sanders bills are only brought up for debate and voted on when he can attach them to the bills of Democrats or Republicans, which he has done in both parties. Otherwise they would die a premature death before getting out of committee. It is what has made Sanders one of the least effective legislators in both Houses of Congress. So no, you won't be seeing Sanders run as an Independent unless he plans to leave politics entirely. Sanders has talked a good game for decades but he has little to show for it. His record of accomplishments are dismal. Without co-sponsorship they are nil.
You then in some bizarre fashion divide Rafael Cruz in two. You have Cruz versus Hillary in one race, then Cruz versus Sanders in the "actual human" race. I believe you are one confused individual. Get some rest, get back on your meds, and take a deep breath.
And when you awake could you please tell moi what "hubristic" means? I've never heard that one before.
DD
Manhattan
Just because you say it isn't so.
The DNC will "hand" Hillary the nomination because she is the only Dem running. Sanders is not a Dem. He's an Independent who hitched a ride on the DNC bandwagon. That is what Sanders has been doing his entire career. To function in Congress you must be a member of one of the two major parties. Sanders bills are only brought up for debate and voted on when he can attach them to the bills of Democrats or Republicans, which he has done in both parties. Otherwise they would die a premature death before getting out of committee. It is what has made Sanders one of the least effective legislators in both Houses of Congress. So no, you won't be seeing Sanders run as an Independent unless he plans to leave politics entirely. Sanders has talked a good game for decades but he has little to show for it. His record of accomplishments are dismal. Without co-sponsorship they are nil.
You then in some bizarre fashion divide Rafael Cruz in two. You have Cruz versus Hillary in one race, then Cruz versus Sanders in the "actual human" race. I believe you are one confused individual. Get some rest, get back on your meds, and take a deep breath.
And when you awake could you please tell moi what "hubristic" means? I've never heard that one before.
DD
Manhattan
I live in Florida and I will be voting today.
All around me I see Trump signs, and Sarasota has been "designated" Trump Central.
But I will be voting for Bernie today. It's a considered vote since I am, as a woman, inevitably a feminist.
I have considered the fact that there are a whole generation of young people out there, who have never known anything but a black President. What's the big deal.
And I ache for the time when a new group of children grow up with a woman President - but my heart and my head cannot vote for Hillary as the one to carry that particular banner. I need to be proud of that woman.
So I'll go up to the church at the corner where we vote, and I'll walk through the signs and the buttons and the bumper stickers for Trump and I'll try to understand what's going on behind the smiling faces of my neighbors who would support this man as their leader.
And I'll see the faces change, and the smiles fade as they notice I wear my Bernie button, the hushed conversations in small groups as they assess my appearance - how I look and what I've chosen to wear - to make sense of me - put me in one of their boxes.
But this - this - is the glory and pain and messiness of a democracy - ok a republic - one in which I have a say - not just in the ballot box - as critical as that is - but in my neighborhood, my community, where I live. Free to let it be known I feel the Bern while they march to the Trump.
Bittersweet.
All around me I see Trump signs, and Sarasota has been "designated" Trump Central.
But I will be voting for Bernie today. It's a considered vote since I am, as a woman, inevitably a feminist.
I have considered the fact that there are a whole generation of young people out there, who have never known anything but a black President. What's the big deal.
And I ache for the time when a new group of children grow up with a woman President - but my heart and my head cannot vote for Hillary as the one to carry that particular banner. I need to be proud of that woman.
So I'll go up to the church at the corner where we vote, and I'll walk through the signs and the buttons and the bumper stickers for Trump and I'll try to understand what's going on behind the smiling faces of my neighbors who would support this man as their leader.
And I'll see the faces change, and the smiles fade as they notice I wear my Bernie button, the hushed conversations in small groups as they assess my appearance - how I look and what I've chosen to wear - to make sense of me - put me in one of their boxes.
But this - this - is the glory and pain and messiness of a democracy - ok a republic - one in which I have a say - not just in the ballot box - as critical as that is - but in my neighborhood, my community, where I live. Free to let it be known I feel the Bern while they march to the Trump.
Bittersweet.
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So very elegantly put, Ms. Nancy. I only hope that there are a few hundred thousand other Democratic primary voters as thoughtful as you headed to the polls today in Florida.
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Nancy,
Truly beautiful thinking.
I pray he wins today, and continues on to the nomination, and the White House, as our 45th President.
Finally after several decades of living with the yoke of our corporate owned government, around our necks, strangling us, there is a light at the end of this tunnel, Bernie Sanders, showing all of us the way home to the all-inclusive America we all wanted.
Truly beautiful thinking.
I pray he wins today, and continues on to the nomination, and the White House, as our 45th President.
Finally after several decades of living with the yoke of our corporate owned government, around our necks, strangling us, there is a light at the end of this tunnel, Bernie Sanders, showing all of us the way home to the all-inclusive America we all wanted.
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Thank you.
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"We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business”—Hillary Clinton
What's past is prologue…
THE CLINTONS DITCH COAL. Again.
When Clinton signed Proclamation No. 6920 designating 1.7 million acres of land in southwest Utah as the Grand Staircase-Escalante National Monument, the Clintons sold out our country to foreign interests even as they promoted the act as one of environmental courage.
The deal, "initiated by Clinton just seven weeks before the 1996 election," was later characterized in a congressional staff report "as a blatant political act under the guise of environmental protection.... 'The only thing the president was trying to protect by designating the Utah Monument was his chance to win re-election,' the report bluntly states. 'The 'threat' motivating the president's action was electoral, not environmental.'"
With the simple stroke of a pen, Clinton:
—gave a global monopoly of the stuff to Moctar Riady of Indonesia, the Clinton personal moneybags as far back as Dixiecrat Mafia days
—put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business
—decreased our security by increasing our dependence on Mideast oil
—increased our future energy costs
—increased the likelihood of future damage to the environment
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Miram. Coal is an outdated energy source. Go listen to the On Point radio show about how solar is growing. And stop relying on Wikipedia.
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Seriously, this is a big deal? Does anyone think that women don't make cruel remarks about the men they find unappealing? It happens plenty, it does!
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What candidates say is fair game for comment, but taking things out of context or telling only half the story should not be part of the process as it distorts the truth and leads to deception. This becomes a matter of particular concern when you look at the level of understanding of many of our voters, who often do not even know who their Senators are or their Congressman is and what the difference is. Many of them cannot intelligently discuss the issues and are frequently easily influenced because they they lack a basic understanding of the process.
When professional "spin doctors" try to take advantage of this weakness in our political system, things can quickly race to the bottom and degenerate into a mud slinging free for all with half truths and outright lies being aired time and time again like former Cold War era propaganda.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but we would be better served if we tried, or were required, to take the high road and kept those opinions as fair and balanced as possible, particularly when they are generated by professionals for mass consumption. We have a system like this in proxy contests that are administered by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Something similar in the electoral process could help advance our knowledge and understanding and show the real differences among the various candidates who offer themselves for office and lead to better, more intelligent choices.
When professional "spin doctors" try to take advantage of this weakness in our political system, things can quickly race to the bottom and degenerate into a mud slinging free for all with half truths and outright lies being aired time and time again like former Cold War era propaganda.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but we would be better served if we tried, or were required, to take the high road and kept those opinions as fair and balanced as possible, particularly when they are generated by professionals for mass consumption. We have a system like this in proxy contests that are administered by the Securities and Exchange Commission. Something similar in the electoral process could help advance our knowledge and understanding and show the real differences among the various candidates who offer themselves for office and lead to better, more intelligent choices.
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Kasich said that he will not take a low road to the highest office in the land. We'll find out if those were sour grapes or inspirational words. I know the large majority of voters prefer someone else, but for me, he is the only remaining hope we have for a decent and effective president for the next 4-8 years. He's slowly becoming a better campaigner and I hope he keeps the same message and demeanor because the attacks from Trump and from the left will be withering.
So, union bashing, more corporate tax loopholes, military interventions, and outlawing abortions is your preferred policy?
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He de-funded Planned Parenthood in Ohio. What does that say?
5
It must have been difficult for the Times to print its lead article with a negative about Hillary Clinton in the fourth paragraph. However, it would have been more thorough to include her words about Bernie Sanders and health insurance reform, to the effect of "where was he in the 1990's when I tried to save health care?" The Internet and cable news have shown the photos of Bernie standing with Clinton and receiving her thanks for his support on health care reform when he was a junior Congressman. In addition,Mrs. Clinton for at least the second time on national TV (a cable news Town Hall last night) made a pivot to 911 when asked a difficult question about her Iraq war record. This can be seen as more damaging to the extent that uninformed or forgetful voters confuse the Iraq war with defense of our nation. It is the kind of dishonesty that makes Clinton a very compromised candidate, even un unqualified one if you consider judgment on foreign affairs an essential qualification for the office.
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"We're going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business," she said..."
I will forgive her for that- she is not a natural politician.
I will forgive her for that- she is not a natural politician.
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He came...he spoke...he fell flat on his face.
Marco Rubio has shown he just doesn't have "the right stuff" to be a candidate for POTUS.
Marco Rubio has shown he just doesn't have "the right stuff" to be a candidate for POTUS.
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Am I the only one thinking that Trump is priming us to accept Christie as his TBC Vice President?
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Stop conflating Sanders with any Republican rivals.
And H. Rodham Clinton certainly IS "at odds with the white working class"—in fact with "working class" in general, as she "uses" and takes for granted poor minority voters in the Democratic Party.
And H. Rodham Clinton certainly IS "at odds with the white working class"—in fact with "working class" in general, as she "uses" and takes for granted poor minority voters in the Democratic Party.
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Change is painful I thought the election of Barack Obama was a epic shift. What we're witnessing today is an earthquake. Both the GOP and Democrats are shaking in their political boots. The GOP is lost however this ends for them they will never be the same. But there is a seismic shift for the Democrats also. What Hillary is showing is a reluctance to boldly embrace the change that Americans are asking for.
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In the several years I spent on the staff of the U.S. Senate, I came to see that the average citizen is no better at understanding the workings of government than of rocket guidance systems. Donald Trump and his followers scare me because he, and they, seem significantly less of such matters as how a Presidency fits into a Constitutional government than the average citizen. I'm a lifelong moderate-to-liberal Democrat, with a fairly good understanding of the shortcomings and follies of my own side as well as of Republicans.
Given my background, I would not fear a Ted Cruz Presidency. I'd no doubt often take great umbrage and spent a good bit of my time outraged at his policy decisions, but Cruz -- and certainly a more centrist, sensible conservative Republican like Kasich -- understand that they must operate within the confines of Constitutional government and shared powers. (Obama seems to have pretty much given up on the "shared" part, as did Republicans in Congress, some time ago).
Trump gives no indication whatsoever that he actually fathoms the legal and constitutional limits our system puts on a Presidency. Advocating torture, saying he will force Mexico to pay for a wall, forbidding people from entering the country based on religion, celebrating his followers beating demonstrators (and then claiming to be peaceful), and the overriding theme that every gaffe on his part is someone else's fault: These strike me as signs of great danger.
Given my background, I would not fear a Ted Cruz Presidency. I'd no doubt often take great umbrage and spent a good bit of my time outraged at his policy decisions, but Cruz -- and certainly a more centrist, sensible conservative Republican like Kasich -- understand that they must operate within the confines of Constitutional government and shared powers. (Obama seems to have pretty much given up on the "shared" part, as did Republicans in Congress, some time ago).
Trump gives no indication whatsoever that he actually fathoms the legal and constitutional limits our system puts on a Presidency. Advocating torture, saying he will force Mexico to pay for a wall, forbidding people from entering the country based on religion, celebrating his followers beating demonstrators (and then claiming to be peaceful), and the overriding theme that every gaffe on his part is someone else's fault: These strike me as signs of great danger.
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Only in America can you have an election like the one going on this year..!!
Only in America the diversity as wide as Bernie and The Donald.
The split is as wide as the Grand Canyon and as deep.
I don't think that Americans realize how dangerous the world can get if Trumpmania takes over.
There was that little corporal in Germany that screamed and yelled and shouted his way to the top too and look what happened to the world.
For your own sake America get off that rocking boat and sail in smoother waters.
You are the leader of the world .
Act like it..!!
STAN CHUN
Wellington
New Zealand
15 March, 2016.
Only in America the diversity as wide as Bernie and The Donald.
The split is as wide as the Grand Canyon and as deep.
I don't think that Americans realize how dangerous the world can get if Trumpmania takes over.
There was that little corporal in Germany that screamed and yelled and shouted his way to the top too and look what happened to the world.
For your own sake America get off that rocking boat and sail in smoother waters.
You are the leader of the world .
Act like it..!!
STAN CHUN
Wellington
New Zealand
15 March, 2016.
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“Bernie Sanders is running a great campaign, and he’s talking about issues that resonate,” And Hillary's campaign? Bernie is dealing with 'meat & potatoes' issues that have bedeviled the white working class for decades; a class the GOP elites misused and the liberal Democrats distained. Hillary, in the meanwhile, continues her brain-dead campaign and poses with BLM mothers.
Yeah - that's why she'll lose the midwest and very possibly the election to Donald. She is totally clueless.
Yeah - that's why she'll lose the midwest and very possibly the election to Donald. She is totally clueless.
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And then of course we check the delegate math and realize these paparazzi political reporters are trying to gin up a political race to be just about angry white males, as if we don't hear their side of the story 24/7, day in and day out.
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I pray Ted Cruz comes out strong on Tuesday and nabs the majority of delegates. There is no chance he will win the general against either Bernie or Hillary.
Dare I admit that Trump has a shot of winning the general against Bernie or Hillary - what has become of my fellow Americans?
Dare I admit that Trump has a shot of winning the general against Bernie or Hillary - what has become of my fellow Americans?
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Trump would beat Hillary... But not Bernie.
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To P from Berkley
Well, the answer is simple. This country is not ready for a Socialist nor a serial-liar who has done nothing of note except be the 1st Lady a long time ago.
To answer your question, what has happened is that the elected officials that have, of late, continued to promise to cut government and taxes (unlike your liberal friends in California who promise the opposite) and then do nothing resembling their words. We are....fed up, mad, let down, etc.
Well, the answer is simple. This country is not ready for a Socialist nor a serial-liar who has done nothing of note except be the 1st Lady a long time ago.
To answer your question, what has happened is that the elected officials that have, of late, continued to promise to cut government and taxes (unlike your liberal friends in California who promise the opposite) and then do nothing resembling their words. We are....fed up, mad, let down, etc.
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To the authors:
You really ought to be ashamed of yourselves for the title of this article. How dare you equate Hillary's mild mistakes with true demagogic language.
The NYT used to be better than this. When you start to resort to click-bait titles like this I truly begin to worry about the quality of the NYT. If you two can't see the difference between Trump and Clinton's language AND intent then you've no business writing for a living.
You really ought to be ashamed of yourselves for the title of this article. How dare you equate Hillary's mild mistakes with true demagogic language.
The NYT used to be better than this. When you start to resort to click-bait titles like this I truly begin to worry about the quality of the NYT. If you two can't see the difference between Trump and Clinton's language AND intent then you've no business writing for a living.
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“those Bernie Sanders voters will be a heck of a lot more comfortable coming home to Hillary Clinton than they are with Donald Trump.”
According to polls, Hillary Clinton Voters will be more comfortable when they come home to Bernie Sanders than Sanders supporters would ever have been be in the increasingly unlikely event of "coming home" to Clinton.
It will be easy for HRC supporters to switch to Bernie -- as many are doing now. People are more comfortable with Bernie than Hillary because he presents a consistent message and persona.
I'm sure he began his campaign under the auspices of a belief in the importance of his message, and is as surprised as anyone to be in the situation where the cultural need matches his therapeutic radicalism.
Much like attitudes about Gay Marriage Equality, when the time arrives for someone like Sanders, it arrives as rain follows thunder, like a phenomenon of nature, known instinctively for what it is. No one needs to explain why the time is right for Bernie. Everyone knows why.
According to polls, Hillary Clinton Voters will be more comfortable when they come home to Bernie Sanders than Sanders supporters would ever have been be in the increasingly unlikely event of "coming home" to Clinton.
It will be easy for HRC supporters to switch to Bernie -- as many are doing now. People are more comfortable with Bernie than Hillary because he presents a consistent message and persona.
I'm sure he began his campaign under the auspices of a belief in the importance of his message, and is as surprised as anyone to be in the situation where the cultural need matches his therapeutic radicalism.
Much like attitudes about Gay Marriage Equality, when the time arrives for someone like Sanders, it arrives as rain follows thunder, like a phenomenon of nature, known instinctively for what it is. No one needs to explain why the time is right for Bernie. Everyone knows why.
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Not a good article. Too much of the usual, NYT presumptive "it's Hillary all the way" nonsense.
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Of course it stands to reason
That during this election season
The bums, losers and free loaders
Will engage in heckling goaders
The gravy train rolls of the track
They know Trump won't give it back
So they resort to below belt ways
Trying to spoil Donald's days
But they won't succeed they'll fail
Because Trump is NOT weak or frail
He'll fight back with diligent finesse
The bums and losers will feel the stress!
That during this election season
The bums, losers and free loaders
Will engage in heckling goaders
The gravy train rolls of the track
They know Trump won't give it back
So they resort to below belt ways
Trying to spoil Donald's days
But they won't succeed they'll fail
Because Trump is NOT weak or frail
He'll fight back with diligent finesse
The bums and losers will feel the stress!
Maybe the greatest knock against Hillary is she has absolutely no political talent: an awful candidate - evasive, terrible speaker, uninspiring, untrustworthy. She knows it too, claiming she's not a 'natural candidate.' Mrs. Bill Clinton knows what raw political talent looks like.
But she's so QUALIFIED! her supporters here keep reminding us.
How smart are you if you lack the essential quality necessary to get the job you're seeking? And don't care?
Carl Bernstein spent 7 years writing a sympathetic Hillary biography & says "She's a terrible candidate - the most divisive political figure in the country & also her own party." He sites her as 'pathologically dishonest.' Sounds like Nixon, doesn't it?
Everything about Nixon seemed shady, desperate and anxious.
Compare Hillary to elegant Obama or the Trump fireball - you see what the problem is.
Hillary always seems defensive & dishonest when asked to explain herself. That August 18 press conference where she told the press off was a doozy. Hard to recall another candidate throwing down more snide, deluded entitlement.
Bernie may be old, musty and weird. But he communicates real passion. It draws people to him, inspires them. Some find him endearing.
I think this explains the animosity Hillary supporters have for Bernie supporters. We have a charismatic candidate who generates passion & enthusiasm. You have a stiff, evasive candidate many regard as a chronic liar.
Don't blame us. Running was her idea.
But she's so QUALIFIED! her supporters here keep reminding us.
How smart are you if you lack the essential quality necessary to get the job you're seeking? And don't care?
Carl Bernstein spent 7 years writing a sympathetic Hillary biography & says "She's a terrible candidate - the most divisive political figure in the country & also her own party." He sites her as 'pathologically dishonest.' Sounds like Nixon, doesn't it?
Everything about Nixon seemed shady, desperate and anxious.
Compare Hillary to elegant Obama or the Trump fireball - you see what the problem is.
Hillary always seems defensive & dishonest when asked to explain herself. That August 18 press conference where she told the press off was a doozy. Hard to recall another candidate throwing down more snide, deluded entitlement.
Bernie may be old, musty and weird. But he communicates real passion. It draws people to him, inspires them. Some find him endearing.
I think this explains the animosity Hillary supporters have for Bernie supporters. We have a charismatic candidate who generates passion & enthusiasm. You have a stiff, evasive candidate many regard as a chronic liar.
Don't blame us. Running was her idea.
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Agree wholeheartedly.
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Trumps comments are well documented. He's a jerk
I don't understand is why female progressive Democrats say nothing about the attacks that Hillary made against the women Bill slept with
According to Carl Bernstein's "A woman in Charge" prior to the 1992 election Hillary tried to get sworn statements from ALL women that Bill was rumored to have slept with to say that the rumors were false. I see. Perjur yourself so her husband can get re elected and she can cement a future run. Yeah, to Hillary the ends justifies the means and this proves it Hillary is no more interested in woman's right then Trump is. It's a catch phrase that excites her base but has yet to show any tangible results
Finally, Hillary truly believes she did nothing wrong with the emails. Everyone deletes 30,000, are forced to respond to 20 FOIA lawsuits, has a private server to transmit all work related emails and fails to turn over ALL emails to State and the National Archives. She says that they were not labled "Classified" so they weren't. By law they don't have to be How does she explain Huma Abedin blocking every attempt to get Hillary to set up a State account?
She says that the FBI is not targeting her. How can she say that? They would not do that. And if they are not targeting her why give her IT guy Bryan Pagliano immunity? Why are the investigating the Foundation for public corruption? Huma Abedin said in an email that Hillary at times was confused. Based on her failure to deal with reality I agree
I don't understand is why female progressive Democrats say nothing about the attacks that Hillary made against the women Bill slept with
According to Carl Bernstein's "A woman in Charge" prior to the 1992 election Hillary tried to get sworn statements from ALL women that Bill was rumored to have slept with to say that the rumors were false. I see. Perjur yourself so her husband can get re elected and she can cement a future run. Yeah, to Hillary the ends justifies the means and this proves it Hillary is no more interested in woman's right then Trump is. It's a catch phrase that excites her base but has yet to show any tangible results
Finally, Hillary truly believes she did nothing wrong with the emails. Everyone deletes 30,000, are forced to respond to 20 FOIA lawsuits, has a private server to transmit all work related emails and fails to turn over ALL emails to State and the National Archives. She says that they were not labled "Classified" so they weren't. By law they don't have to be How does she explain Huma Abedin blocking every attempt to get Hillary to set up a State account?
She says that the FBI is not targeting her. How can she say that? They would not do that. And if they are not targeting her why give her IT guy Bryan Pagliano immunity? Why are the investigating the Foundation for public corruption? Huma Abedin said in an email that Hillary at times was confused. Based on her failure to deal with reality I agree
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Trump is, indeed, a jerk, a blowhard as big as they come -- but he's not a deceitful crook. Hillary is as dishonest and unethical as they come. Her greatest strength is being able to lie and withstand scrutiny of her suspicious actions.
Remember people cheering her over her stonewalling at the Benghazi hearings? They were abetting her lying, dishonest behavior and quite happy to do so if it meant sticking it to republicans. They had no more integrity than Hillary.
Democrats can keep Hillary. They created that monster. If she takes them down, they deserve it for always backing her dishonesty.
Remember people cheering her over her stonewalling at the Benghazi hearings? They were abetting her lying, dishonest behavior and quite happy to do so if it meant sticking it to republicans. They had no more integrity than Hillary.
Democrats can keep Hillary. They created that monster. If she takes them down, they deserve it for always backing her dishonesty.
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I totally agree with you. When Hillary loses she can do commercials for LifeStyle LIfts so she stops looking like a gerbil and Nutri System
While I support Bernie Sanders and think he is the person our nation needs for the immediate future this long and often smarmy process has introduced many people to a process that is changing for the better. I trust some are working in his campaign and will, by virtue of his determination and success be inspired enough to accept a political mantle. Even Donald Trump has brought people into and inspired them to participate in this process.
Because he is addressing not only reasonable but also needed changes I trust Mr Sanders will win the nomination and the election. but even if he should not succeed with either he, along with President Obama and Hillary Rodham, has ushered in a needed perspective long missing from our politics.
That a Black man could take our nation's highest office, a woman with the guts to suffer the insults and keep on ticking and a Jew breaking the barrioers of anti-semitism indicates more than any other measure that we as a nation are changing for the better and can deservedly lead the world to a peaceful future
My only regret is Republicans have descended to the low they have. Mr Trump does not need to incite his followers. They are as tired of politics as usual as their more liberal counterparts and if they slow down enough to accept reason as a guide to their enthusiasm, they along with their fellow Americans can usher in a system that is far removed from the present good ole' boy, money talks, exclusionary, steamy pile politics has become.
Because he is addressing not only reasonable but also needed changes I trust Mr Sanders will win the nomination and the election. but even if he should not succeed with either he, along with President Obama and Hillary Rodham, has ushered in a needed perspective long missing from our politics.
That a Black man could take our nation's highest office, a woman with the guts to suffer the insults and keep on ticking and a Jew breaking the barrioers of anti-semitism indicates more than any other measure that we as a nation are changing for the better and can deservedly lead the world to a peaceful future
My only regret is Republicans have descended to the low they have. Mr Trump does not need to incite his followers. They are as tired of politics as usual as their more liberal counterparts and if they slow down enough to accept reason as a guide to their enthusiasm, they along with their fellow Americans can usher in a system that is far removed from the present good ole' boy, money talks, exclusionary, steamy pile politics has become.
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CHRISTIAN PATRIOT SPEAKS OUT ON TRUMP RIOTS & DANGERS OF JOHN KASICH AS PRESIDENT.
Claims Kasich will help rob American Citizens via Public Corruption just like in Ohio. Be wise & look at facts presented here rather than just voting for hyped up endorsements. Don't let the Banksters buying Judges & our legal system take your future away. If you agree with this message linked below please forward it on social media.
http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2016/03/counter-the...
Claims Kasich will help rob American Citizens via Public Corruption just like in Ohio. Be wise & look at facts presented here rather than just voting for hyped up endorsements. Don't let the Banksters buying Judges & our legal system take your future away. If you agree with this message linked below please forward it on social media.
http://beforeitsnews.com/blogging-citizen-journalism/2016/03/counter-the...
Bernie runs stronger than Hillary against every Republican. That is one of the main reasons for giving him my whole hearted support. I also believe he is the most honest, and truly represents the American people, rather than big buck lobbying interests, and will continue to do so as president
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When the cold war ended it didn't just brought optimism, it brought a lot more countries that became consumers of America's and Western Europe's cultural, Agricultural and industrial products.Global stability, gives countries a wider access to markets and a lot more variety of access to products, i.e. it creates a win-win ( to varying degree ) to most. Too Isolationist and parochial approach, instead of bringing more jobs it may drain more the available resource. An experienced personality like HRC who grasps the domestic reality and is able to get along with all sorts of relevant players from around the world is best positioned to come up with alternative job creating ventures , not just to these so called " disaffected White Workers ", but to Americans in general. TMD, a Mathematician type.
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Sanders only believes in my way or the highway. He will do nothing, accomplish nothing.
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Really? Well, his way was to reject Bush's rush to war in the Middle East based on lies, make college affordable, re-build the infrastructure and create millions of jobs at the same time, negotiate trade deals that are good for the American worker, make college education affordable, health insure every American citizen, address climate change, outlaw fracking, tax Wall Street shenanigan-isms, and to reject Wall Street bribes...
Can you say the same about Hillary on any of those? With a straight face, I mean...
Can you say the same about Hillary on any of those? With a straight face, I mean...
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As of 2010 Sanders salary was $174,000. So that means in 6 years he's earned $1,044,000. How many people make that in their entire life? Isn't Sanders one of the privileged? Think about it. Congress is in session 123 days. That means at $174,000 Sanders is making $1,414. 63 a day. If he works a 8 hour day he's making $176.82 an hour. Where do I sign up. I dealt with the most violent juvenile gang bangers in California working for the California Department of Corrections and when I retired I was making $27.50 an hour in 2004
Sanders talks about the poor, I dealt with them every day. I dealt with countless guys from broken homes. guys who had so much hate that when they acted out it was ugly and often extremely violent What does Sanders know about that? What does Sanders know about gaining the trust of guys who would kill you at the first opportunity? If I handed Sanders a file of one of my guys what would he do? How would find common ground? Talk about the 1%? Free helath care? They could care less about that. I found common ground and started from there. I earned their trust because I did not judge them by their past but by how they "took care of business." I share this for one reason. Sanders can talk all he wants but the people he sees are just a segment. If he couldn't address these guys and pivot in a second than to me he's just making noise. I'd love for him to spend a week on my unit. It would give him a much needed reality check and see what the real world is
Sanders talks about the poor, I dealt with them every day. I dealt with countless guys from broken homes. guys who had so much hate that when they acted out it was ugly and often extremely violent What does Sanders know about that? What does Sanders know about gaining the trust of guys who would kill you at the first opportunity? If I handed Sanders a file of one of my guys what would he do? How would find common ground? Talk about the 1%? Free helath care? They could care less about that. I found common ground and started from there. I earned their trust because I did not judge them by their past but by how they "took care of business." I share this for one reason. Sanders can talk all he wants but the people he sees are just a segment. If he couldn't address these guys and pivot in a second than to me he's just making noise. I'd love for him to spend a week on my unit. It would give him a much needed reality check and see what the real world is
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So, which one of the millionaire candidates does appeal to you? Or, is it the billionaire who has captured your vote?
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Alas, more than HRC's words invite scrutiny, criticism, even revulsion. How about her latest fundraising, via daughter Chelsea, from a corporation, Theranos, under serious investigation from no fewer than 5 govt agencies …
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/clinton-lets-theranos-throw...
Good judgment is a presidential requirement that HRC increasingly shows she lacks, her growing list of apologies will make a devastating oppo ad from the Don, if she's the nominee.
No such real ammo for the Don to use v. Bernie, who has nothing to apologize for.
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/03/clinton-lets-theranos-throw...
Good judgment is a presidential requirement that HRC increasingly shows she lacks, her growing list of apologies will make a devastating oppo ad from the Don, if she's the nominee.
No such real ammo for the Don to use v. Bernie, who has nothing to apologize for.
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Even in the current surreal world of politics the article title is a tortured attempt to draw together two candidates who could not be more different. Hillary Clinton has devoted her life to public service and has demonstrably made the world a better place as First Lady, as Senator, and as Secretary of State. The Republican front-runner appears, in my opinion, to have devoted his life to "trumping" amorality above all else and in every conceivable way: dishonesty, misogyny, bigotry, incitements to violence among other reprehensible behaviors. Further, the article content in no real way enlightens on the theory it poses of a supposedly paired concern. Somehow the words of Mr. Trump (simple, repeated or reversed and shallow) are to be compared to the words of Mrs. Clinton (thoughtful and intelligent) because she might occasionally misspeak?!? Come on Chozick/Rappeport we have election information flooding our way. It would be nice to actually learn something to guide us lowly voters on our pathway to casting our ballots for President. Please elevate your reporting to the level of the free press dedicated to ensuring an informed electorate imagined in our Constitution if you can!
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If Clinton does win the nomination, and then the election, she should make her inaugural speech one of those she delivered to Goldman Sachs.
As the price of your dreams, Hillary, you at least owe us letting us all in on the joke.
As the price of your dreams, Hillary, you at least owe us letting us all in on the joke.
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As much as hate to agree with a republican senator, If Hillary and Trump are what there is to vote for I will shift my vote to the Libertarians. Both of the projected candidates say what ever will get them where they are going without much regard for the truth so it would be like voting for the same person either way.
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Classic Hillary, “It’s the best Guinness I’ve ever had! A Youngstown Guinness!” No surprise that a sorority girl from Park Ridge would know nothing about Ireland's best - and then try to fake it.
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I am still waiting for an impartial analysis of Sanders' proposals. A single-payer? Great; which one? The British model, the Swiss model, the Israeli model? Each has its advantage but I hope people realize that in any case, health care is going to be rationed. This is actually a very good thing: NYT yesterday had an article about "treatment centers" for anorexia which charge a 1000 dollars per day (!) for a worthless faith-based nostrum. No single-payer should pay for that or any other non-scientific nonsense. But then Sanders apparently believes that cancer is a psychosomatic disease, so what is, or isn't, going to be included in his "health basket"? Free college? Great; how about the fact that the accessibility of college will go down because free universities in Europe and Asia have very stringent entrance requirements that most American high-schoolers won't be able to pass? Again, it is actually a good thing for college to be more exclusive, but is Sanders upfront with his followers about this fact? How about international relations? How is he going to placate China, understandably angry about the US unilaterally tearing up trade agreements? China holds a lot of the US debt and can do a lot of damage if provoked by a President who has as much foreign-policy cred as my teenaged son (less because my son has lived abroad). I'm not even talking about Da'esh. But instead of answers to these questions, all I hear is demonization of Wall Street and conspiracy-mongering.
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First - Every voter's priority should be to stop Donald Trump. I am a Democrat who supports Bernie Sanders, and could live with Hillary Clinton; but if I were voting in Ohio tomorrow, I would vote for Kasich.
There will be a Democratic candidate and a general election, regardless of what happens tomorrow in Ohio. Nor will the vote tomorrow in Ohio decide who that Democratic candidate may be. Ohio may decide the fate of our nation, however; because if Trump is the Republican candidate, and Ohio and other white working-class states prove decisive in November, Trump may win. That would be an utter catastrophe.
Second, while Hillary wins primaries in red states, where many Democrats are African-American, she is losing the white blue-collar vote everywhere. Even if Trump is not the GOP candidate, Clinton may lose that vote in November.
As the New York Times reports, although Bernie Sanders may not have accomplished the passage of major legislation, he has shown, over 25 years in Congress, that he can make a difference, including by working with Republicans such as John McCain, to benefit the veterans and working class. Bernie is an experienced legislator- no extremist and no fool. If he can win voters in Illinois, Michigan and – although not tomorrow, because we need those votes for Kasich– Ohio – then he can win in November.
I am becoming more convinced each day that Hillary Clinton would lose the general election. Sanders is the better choice, for all reasons.
There will be a Democratic candidate and a general election, regardless of what happens tomorrow in Ohio. Nor will the vote tomorrow in Ohio decide who that Democratic candidate may be. Ohio may decide the fate of our nation, however; because if Trump is the Republican candidate, and Ohio and other white working-class states prove decisive in November, Trump may win. That would be an utter catastrophe.
Second, while Hillary wins primaries in red states, where many Democrats are African-American, she is losing the white blue-collar vote everywhere. Even if Trump is not the GOP candidate, Clinton may lose that vote in November.
As the New York Times reports, although Bernie Sanders may not have accomplished the passage of major legislation, he has shown, over 25 years in Congress, that he can make a difference, including by working with Republicans such as John McCain, to benefit the veterans and working class. Bernie is an experienced legislator- no extremist and no fool. If he can win voters in Illinois, Michigan and – although not tomorrow, because we need those votes for Kasich– Ohio – then he can win in November.
I am becoming more convinced each day that Hillary Clinton would lose the general election. Sanders is the better choice, for all reasons.
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Clinton would lose, because voters will have to choose between the devil and the deep blue sea, and many will choose the devil.
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Clinton campaign manager Robby Mook looks for a Pyrrhic victory: Clinton wins the nomination, only to be the weakest Democrat possible to face any Republican in November, in the exact states Democrats must win to take the election. Heckuvajob, Mr. Mook.
"Once optimistic about Mrs. Clinton’s chances in Ohio and the other Midwestern states, her aides, shaken by the unexpected loss in the Michigan primary last week, now say the demographics in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois favor Senator Bernie Sanders, whose economic populism and anti-trade message have resonated with young voters and white working-class men.
Instead, her campaign is looking to Florida and North Carolina, where polls show Mrs. Clinton leading by more than 20 points. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, has assured supporters that she could lose the Midwestern contests and still come out on Tuesday with a nearly insurmountable delegate lead. Mrs. Clinton plans to hold a victory rally in West Palm Beach, Fla., on Tuesday."
"Once optimistic about Mrs. Clinton’s chances in Ohio and the other Midwestern states, her aides, shaken by the unexpected loss in the Michigan primary last week, now say the demographics in Ohio, Missouri and Illinois favor Senator Bernie Sanders, whose economic populism and anti-trade message have resonated with young voters and white working-class men.
Instead, her campaign is looking to Florida and North Carolina, where polls show Mrs. Clinton leading by more than 20 points. Mrs. Clinton’s campaign manager, Robby Mook, has assured supporters that she could lose the Midwestern contests and still come out on Tuesday with a nearly insurmountable delegate lead. Mrs. Clinton plans to hold a victory rally in West Palm Beach, Fla., on Tuesday."
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I'm just hoping that the American people see that Bernie Sanders is the only rational choice. Hillary already lost once to Obama. She polls terribly with the general public. She doesn't have a real platform with concrete ideas. I'm afraid that a vote for Clinton will be a vote for Trump.
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The level of specificity in campaign strategy boggles the mind. Sanders appeals to white working-class men, as does Trump. How is that possible? Sanders is particularly focused on 50 and 55-plus males. What??? Clinton goes for blue collar, offends coal miners and tells Irishmen that her bottle of Guinness is the best Guinness ever, which marks her as a non-Guinness drinker. Kasich ignores all the evidence, which would have a certain appeal if all the evidence weren't against him.
When the circus of these primaries is over, the two candidates will start over again and say all new stuff that contradicts what they said in the primaries. It's called moving to the middle. The making of a President is a curious process. You learn how to talk to your core constituency and to reach out to others. Your momentum changes every five minutes and half way through you start all over again. Whoever gets to the White House, at least this time around, is likely to spend 4 years getting nothing done. The candidates are something like those who commit unspeakable crimes. The very fact that they're running is proof of their insanity.
When the circus of these primaries is over, the two candidates will start over again and say all new stuff that contradicts what they said in the primaries. It's called moving to the middle. The making of a President is a curious process. You learn how to talk to your core constituency and to reach out to others. Your momentum changes every five minutes and half way through you start all over again. Whoever gets to the White House, at least this time around, is likely to spend 4 years getting nothing done. The candidates are something like those who commit unspeakable crimes. The very fact that they're running is proof of their insanity.
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I am, for one, disgusted by the way in which Trump has behaved in the recent few weeks. I thought he was in it for fun and it kind of took a life of its own and he had a tiger by the tail and was stuck with it. But his recent conduct has been beyond the pale (pardon the unintended pun.)
But a couple of points to the incrementalists out there. 1. HRC will not accomplish anything significant, incrementally or otherwise. This has been her track record in the last 10 years. Everyone is in love with the firebrand idealist of the 1960s and 1970s. The one who fought and overturned the death penalty of a mentally challenged black man. What you have is the First Lady of Arkansas who returned with her husband to Little Rock in the middle of the 1992 campaign to oversee the death penalty administered to a mentally challenged black man. This Hillary had learned you had to be flexible to get power, you need to get power to change things. 2. You cannot sell your soul on an installment plan, and you certainly cannot buy it later. The Devil does not do returns or refunds. This is the lesson the Republicans are being taught the hard way this year. Will they learn? We shall see. But as Republican-lite Mrs. Clinton with her bashing of her husbands victims/mistresses/whatever you want to call it anymore is part of the same soul-mortgaging clique. A cautionary tale of idealism mortgaged for a chance at power, forgetting where the ideals ever came from.
But a couple of points to the incrementalists out there. 1. HRC will not accomplish anything significant, incrementally or otherwise. This has been her track record in the last 10 years. Everyone is in love with the firebrand idealist of the 1960s and 1970s. The one who fought and overturned the death penalty of a mentally challenged black man. What you have is the First Lady of Arkansas who returned with her husband to Little Rock in the middle of the 1992 campaign to oversee the death penalty administered to a mentally challenged black man. This Hillary had learned you had to be flexible to get power, you need to get power to change things. 2. You cannot sell your soul on an installment plan, and you certainly cannot buy it later. The Devil does not do returns or refunds. This is the lesson the Republicans are being taught the hard way this year. Will they learn? We shall see. But as Republican-lite Mrs. Clinton with her bashing of her husbands victims/mistresses/whatever you want to call it anymore is part of the same soul-mortgaging clique. A cautionary tale of idealism mortgaged for a chance at power, forgetting where the ideals ever came from.
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Not only do I support Bernie Sanders overwhelmingly vs Hillary Clinton because of his policy positions, but the Democratic Party long ago abandoned its working class voters economic interests in favor of catering to the corporate sponsored business model of horrendous trade deals and deregulation. If the corporate dominated D Party had any brains, they would be nominating Bernie Sanders. Instead, they crown HRC and lose to Donald Trump!
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It is neither Trump nor his supporters who are trying keep voters from hearing what the candidates are saying.
I am not surprised that some candidates do not want voters to hear what Trump is saying. Unfortunately, Trump is still the only candidate in either party with enough sense(cents) to bring the factories home and kick out the illegal workers.
I am not surprised that some candidates do not want voters to hear what Trump is saying. Unfortunately, Trump is still the only candidate in either party with enough sense(cents) to bring the factories home and kick out the illegal workers.
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The rising tensions between Saudi Arabia and Yemen, add another worry about Clinton. There's a long trail of money between Saudi Arabia and other repressive regimes in the Middle East, and the Clintons. During Clinton's State Department, Saudi Arabia was approved for unprecedented arms sales; and just since 2012, Saudi Arabia has given $10 million to the Clinton Foundation. Others in the Middle East have also donated millions. So, when tensions heat up, and Saudi Arabia pressures the American President to make a critical decision involving these Middle Eastern supporters--what would a President Clinton do? Would she be thinking only of her nation's best interests? Could she separate that, from the millions? Could she refuse her friends, her sponsors? How important would be her legacy, and the Foundation?
No President has entered the office with millions already given to their own pocket, and 2 billion given to a family foundation. It's deeply worrying that we even have to ask.
No President has entered the office with millions already given to their own pocket, and 2 billion given to a family foundation. It's deeply worrying that we even have to ask.
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Rubio is a bit like Hillary. Both will say whatever is needed to get elected, changing positions just for votes, but Hillary is smarter.
Sanders and Cruz have strong deep convictions on how government should run and will not veer off their principles.
Trump is a racist and a hate monger.
He is not part of my party.
Trump says one thing and the next hour says the opposite and then calls you a liar for reminding him of his original quote.
Sanders and Cruz have strong deep convictions on how government should run and will not veer off their principles.
Trump is a racist and a hate monger.
He is not part of my party.
Trump says one thing and the next hour says the opposite and then calls you a liar for reminding him of his original quote.
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"Trump is a racist and a hate monger.
He is not part of my party."
Then you must not be a GOP member. The GOP has for decades courted exactly the voters who are now supporting Trump, his racism, and his hate mongering. Now the chickens have come home to roost, and the GOP has only itself to blame.
He is not part of my party."
Then you must not be a GOP member. The GOP has for decades courted exactly the voters who are now supporting Trump, his racism, and his hate mongering. Now the chickens have come home to roost, and the GOP has only itself to blame.
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The Republican field is a total shame with their refusal to say that they will not endorse Trump even after Romney came out against him. Hillary Clinton will say whatever will get her elected. She just said in a townhall on MSNBC that she voted for the Iraq war in exchange for funds to rebuild NY after 9/11. I wonder how the families of all the soldiers killed and maimed feel about that.
Every day and in every way Bernie Sanders looks like the right candidate for me.
Every day and in every way Bernie Sanders looks like the right candidate for me.
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President Hillary will undertake military action - likely the Middle East - early to prove she's 'tough' and forestall criticism a woman shouldn't be commander in chief. This will boost her macho credentials & satisfy her innate hawkishness.
Evidence: she voted for the Iraq war. At State, she pushed military intervention in Libya - a blunder leaving Libya a failed jihadi state. She's criticized Obama's foreign policy: "Great nations need organizing principles and 'don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing principle."
She believes Obama is too cautious & made a mistake not intervening in Syria, saying we need a leader who believes the U.S. is 'an indispensable force for good.' (the 'American Exceptionalism' argument that led to wars in Vietnam and Iraq)
She supports a no-fly zone in Syria - a dangerous, unnecessary military intervention.
"When you're hunkering down and pulling back, you're not going to make any better decisions than when you're aggressively, belligerently putting yourself forward."
She defended Netanyahu after he tried to embarrass Obama by addressing Congress.
If you like tough talk, you'll support her stupid military intervention to show the world how macho President Hillary is.
If you don't want stupid wars, vote for Bernie and a moderate, non-belligerent foreign policy like Obama's.
This is the greatest strike against Hillary - her proven rotten foreign policy judgement, always supporting military intervention.
Sane people should be alarmed.
Evidence: she voted for the Iraq war. At State, she pushed military intervention in Libya - a blunder leaving Libya a failed jihadi state. She's criticized Obama's foreign policy: "Great nations need organizing principles and 'don't do stupid stuff' is not an organizing principle."
She believes Obama is too cautious & made a mistake not intervening in Syria, saying we need a leader who believes the U.S. is 'an indispensable force for good.' (the 'American Exceptionalism' argument that led to wars in Vietnam and Iraq)
She supports a no-fly zone in Syria - a dangerous, unnecessary military intervention.
"When you're hunkering down and pulling back, you're not going to make any better decisions than when you're aggressively, belligerently putting yourself forward."
She defended Netanyahu after he tried to embarrass Obama by addressing Congress.
If you like tough talk, you'll support her stupid military intervention to show the world how macho President Hillary is.
If you don't want stupid wars, vote for Bernie and a moderate, non-belligerent foreign policy like Obama's.
This is the greatest strike against Hillary - her proven rotten foreign policy judgement, always supporting military intervention.
Sane people should be alarmed.
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Mr Ryan, that's a 50/50 on Sanders supporters liking Hillary over Trump. And I say that as a voter who thinks Trump is totally unfit for office. Hillary has huge negatives, and is as sincere and trustworthy as any confidence man.
If it comes down to that I might go to a write in. At some point, it's not about the one you despise least, but facing the fact that one simply must have morals.
If it comes down to that I might go to a write in. At some point, it's not about the one you despise least, but facing the fact that one simply must have morals.
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There is very little excitement in the Democrat campaign this time around. Aside from being married to a governor and a President, Mrs Clinton has no real accomplishments. As the Senator from NY she sat in the shadows biding her time to run for President. As Secretary of state you had the Arab spring with things falling apart in Egypt, Libya, failed relations with Israel, failed relations with Russia. Mrs. Clinton has been around for a long time but has accomplished very little.
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To Mr. Trump the campaign is a game, like chess or checkers, in which you strategize to win. He has played his hand very well. From choosing to run as a Republican, as opposed to a Democrat even though he could go either way, he has shown his campaign and his rhetoric are fined tuned to reach 50% of the electorate that votes. Mrs. Clinton may win the presidency but she may lose the popular vote.Our Founding Fathers sure knew what they were doing. We would benefit today if we had a few people with the Founding Fathers' acumen.
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There's just something delicious watching the Republicans trying to eat their young in ads, on camera, on stage, and in print. The Democrat race is lively, but at the end both candidates will emerge on their feet still.
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They are all rotten candidates except Kasich. Trump is a grotesque buffoon, a guy who owns almost nothing in NYC, lost the Plaza Hotel and the Atlantic City hotels, among others, in bankruptcy but has his name plastered everywhere under licensing arrangements. He is Berlusconi channeling Mussolini, and a genuine disgrace. Cruz is hated by all his Senate colleagues for good reason, and Rubio is inexperienced, callow and a first term Senate nobody. Bernie? Well, he has a consistent philosophy, and he's earnest, but he's consistently wrong about economics, and no socialist can get elected President. Hillary has the same lousy ethics as her husband and none of his charm. Kasich, on the other hand, has a solid 20-year legislative record, was a very reasonable commentator on Fox, has been very successful as governor of Ohio, has a high popularity rating in his state, and governs the only state a Republican MUST win to become President. It's open and shut. I'm a Republican and have only voted for a Democratic presidential candidate once in the last forty years, but I'll vote for Hillary if the Republican party continues on its death march.
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I had a thought about why Conservatives hate liberals after thinking about this story and the fact that the Democrats are nearly civil, with a trace of hostility, while the Republicans are tearing each other and Democrats apart.
I really believe there is a genetic foundation that explains the Conservative and liberal leanings of people's minds. I think it is as simple as sub species within the Homo Sapien group. Conservatives are more primitive as demonstrated by their tendancy towards violence, war, hatred, and anger, while liberals are more subdued and not having as much of those traits.
I'm not talking about prejudicial ideas like eugenics. I just think there is a scientific reason why there are nearly equally divided groups of Conservatives and liberals, just like the genes determine sex at conception.
Here, you write about the competitive words between respective party candidates but the Republicans are attacking the Democrats while the Democrats remain undisturbed and focused on each other in a much more subdued way.
As you know, evolutionary theory says the strongest survive and lead the pack. Considering how restrained and subdued the Democrats are compared to the Republican boxing matches, I believe the next President will be a Republican.
Nice is nice, but the Republican stoking of hatred and anger motivates people to the polls, as has been aptly demonstrated in recent elections.
I really believe there is a genetic foundation that explains the Conservative and liberal leanings of people's minds. I think it is as simple as sub species within the Homo Sapien group. Conservatives are more primitive as demonstrated by their tendancy towards violence, war, hatred, and anger, while liberals are more subdued and not having as much of those traits.
I'm not talking about prejudicial ideas like eugenics. I just think there is a scientific reason why there are nearly equally divided groups of Conservatives and liberals, just like the genes determine sex at conception.
Here, you write about the competitive words between respective party candidates but the Republicans are attacking the Democrats while the Democrats remain undisturbed and focused on each other in a much more subdued way.
As you know, evolutionary theory says the strongest survive and lead the pack. Considering how restrained and subdued the Democrats are compared to the Republican boxing matches, I believe the next President will be a Republican.
Nice is nice, but the Republican stoking of hatred and anger motivates people to the polls, as has been aptly demonstrated in recent elections.
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This idea that people have to vote for one of the nominees of the two main political parties, the Humpty Dumpty Republican Party or the Dipsy Doodle Democratic Party, is nonsense. If neither of the two nominees of these parties is acceptable to a voter, that voter can write in the name of a candidate who is. Or that voter can select the candidate of a third party. Sure the voter will not be voting for a winner, but that voter will be expressing their views on how the country should be run. I think it is important that people express their true views about this.
I no longer believe in selecting the least of two evils. The result is still evil. I will only vote for the person who closely represent my views. If HRC is the Democratic nominee, I will write in Bernie Sanders. For me, he is the only possible candidate I could vote for in this election.
I no longer believe in selecting the least of two evils. The result is still evil. I will only vote for the person who closely represent my views. If HRC is the Democratic nominee, I will write in Bernie Sanders. For me, he is the only possible candidate I could vote for in this election.
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Me too...
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And you will still be to blame for the resultant evil. Worse, you'll also be guilty of ostrichism.
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I find myself wishing our Constitution were replaced with Germany's. Multiple parties and no wars.
Hillary Clinton gave amazingly clumsy answer to Chris Matthews on her favoring regime change on multiple occasions. At one point she used Ronald Reagan to justify her actions in Libya. She just doesn't get it.
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The problems with these adds is that the people using them are as or more guilty of contradictions and other negative statements as the leading candidates they are demeaning.
For example, Kasish has accepted over $200,000 from a leading Democrat sponsor. Romney's biusiness practices are every bit as negative as anything Trump has done. Count the number of his buyout bankruptcies. Sanders has been a complete failure in private employment and his only income success has come from the public trough. No wonder he thinks government should support everyone. Hillary is a known repeated liar married to a philanderer and liar. Etc., etc.
The public is fed up with this crap! That is why Trump is successful as an outsider in spite of his shortcomings. The majority of the public believes that anything is better than what we have now. That accounts for the showing of each of the candidates.
For example, Kasish has accepted over $200,000 from a leading Democrat sponsor. Romney's biusiness practices are every bit as negative as anything Trump has done. Count the number of his buyout bankruptcies. Sanders has been a complete failure in private employment and his only income success has come from the public trough. No wonder he thinks government should support everyone. Hillary is a known repeated liar married to a philanderer and liar. Etc., etc.
The public is fed up with this crap! That is why Trump is successful as an outsider in spite of his shortcomings. The majority of the public believes that anything is better than what we have now. That accounts for the showing of each of the candidates.
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How telling that the NYT is finally, finally running not only some semi-complimentary articles on Sanders, but also printing some not-so-positive articles on Clinton. Why could that be? There's always a reason behind any shift in direction, and especially for such a dramatic shift. My guess is that NYT and Demo Party are getting nervous about her electability, and are now belatedly trying to mollify Sanders' many, many supporters. Too little, too late for that. Can't wait for Tuesday's primary results.
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I believe the Democratic race will incur a paradigm shift after the votes are tallied Tuesday night. Clinton will win Florida and North Carolina, but I feel Bernie has an excellent shot winning Illinois, Ohio and Missouri.
This is Hillary's last horrah as far as southern states go, which is where she has gained the vast majority of her wins and delegates.
If she can only win in states that are Republican strongholds in the general election, it becomes readily apparent that she does not have the realistic traction necessary to win the general.
No matter what happens on Tuesday, the remainder of the primary schedule shows a huge demographic advantage for Bernie Sanders.
His message is beginning to become more knit together and concise, as its taken him a long time to connect the dots in a way that easily explains how campaign financing effects everything in our political system. They keep calling him a one-issue candidate, but they fail to realize that he is fighting against a system that is inherently broken unless we restore our country's democracy to what it was supposed to be.
This is Hillary's last horrah as far as southern states go, which is where she has gained the vast majority of her wins and delegates.
If she can only win in states that are Republican strongholds in the general election, it becomes readily apparent that she does not have the realistic traction necessary to win the general.
No matter what happens on Tuesday, the remainder of the primary schedule shows a huge demographic advantage for Bernie Sanders.
His message is beginning to become more knit together and concise, as its taken him a long time to connect the dots in a way that easily explains how campaign financing effects everything in our political system. They keep calling him a one-issue candidate, but they fail to realize that he is fighting against a system that is inherently broken unless we restore our country's democracy to what it was supposed to be.
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“We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” Hillary Clinton said, in explaining her plan to create clean energy jobs.
My own thought about her comments is that the plan to bring clean energy jobs back to coal country neglects the fact that clean energy jobs are mostly assembly jobs, very few maintenance jobs are needed and are much fewer than the coal jobs. An unemployed miner has very little chance to be retrained for the clean energy work. Her plan is an unfounded hope at the best and wishful thinking at the worst. A solid plan to solve massive miner unemployment problem must invoke changes of system-related foundation, i.e. the nation-state must own all power plants and all coal mines, or simply put, nationalization of means of production through either buy-outs or otherwise confiscations. Those who want to work within the existing system will fail to rescue the unemployed, because capital will never allow investments in, and profits from, coal or elsewhere to be interrupted or stopped.
My own thought about her comments is that the plan to bring clean energy jobs back to coal country neglects the fact that clean energy jobs are mostly assembly jobs, very few maintenance jobs are needed and are much fewer than the coal jobs. An unemployed miner has very little chance to be retrained for the clean energy work. Her plan is an unfounded hope at the best and wishful thinking at the worst. A solid plan to solve massive miner unemployment problem must invoke changes of system-related foundation, i.e. the nation-state must own all power plants and all coal mines, or simply put, nationalization of means of production through either buy-outs or otherwise confiscations. Those who want to work within the existing system will fail to rescue the unemployed, because capital will never allow investments in, and profits from, coal or elsewhere to be interrupted or stopped.
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Clean Energy Jobs? Like the one's Obama promised with that "shovel ready" rhetoric. Solandra anyone? What a colossal joke that has been played upon the American public those nearly 8 years ago. Perhaps he'll take his shtick on the road.
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Send Chelsea out from her 10 million dollar condo and job running the Laundry AKA the Clinton Foundation to convince the Little People she feels their pain! That will win them over. I await some reporter from the NYT following the trail of money from the Foundation to the NGOs that bring out the votes...
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Even if Sanders wins tomorrow by a plurality of one (1) vote in Missouri, Illinois and Ohio respectively, the proportional awarding of votes will continue to put HRC so far ahead in the delegate count as to guarantee her the nomination.
Bernie will never win the Democratic Party's nomination. It's over.
Bernie will never win the Democratic Party's nomination. It's over.
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Never say "never."
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when you wish upon a star, a wish is about the only thing you'll receive.
Today in MSNBC's Clinton Democratic Town Hall, Hillary Clinton said that Bernie Sanders is always against anything international, Sanders is reflexively against free trade, and mocked Sanders as always announcing his opposition even before anything is signed. Clinton was not asked why she has voiced no problem with TPP's ISDN.
In the Sanders townhall MSNBC broadcast today, the longest discussion was on trade policy and trade agreements. It started 20 minutes in and lasted more than five minutes, with questions from Mary Ellen Beasley and Chuck Todd. Bernie Sanders described what kind of trade agreement he would negotiate and sign, and how to get other countries on board.
Sanders explained for the trillionth time how, despite Hillary Clinton's claims, he is FOR free trade. Sanders talked about how we can negotiate trade agreements that reduce poverty, take care of our workers, increase trade, why we have not done it this way, and why we can.
84% of television news coverage last night went to Donald Trump. If you don't think that this helps maintain Clinton's and news media's claims that Bernie Sanders is anti-free trade and protectionist, I have a bridge to sell you.
In the Sanders townhall MSNBC broadcast today, the longest discussion was on trade policy and trade agreements. It started 20 minutes in and lasted more than five minutes, with questions from Mary Ellen Beasley and Chuck Todd. Bernie Sanders described what kind of trade agreement he would negotiate and sign, and how to get other countries on board.
Sanders explained for the trillionth time how, despite Hillary Clinton's claims, he is FOR free trade. Sanders talked about how we can negotiate trade agreements that reduce poverty, take care of our workers, increase trade, why we have not done it this way, and why we can.
84% of television news coverage last night went to Donald Trump. If you don't think that this helps maintain Clinton's and news media's claims that Bernie Sanders is anti-free trade and protectionist, I have a bridge to sell you.
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After watching Sanders again promising free health care, free tuition and increases in Social Security and Medicare I thought I was watching a re run of Fantasy Island. It is utterly unsustainable to think that you can do that on the backs of the people who put their own capital into businesses so they can grow, expand et. and to sit back and just accept it Businesses can do several things
1) move their corporate headquarters outright (Burger King)
2) Merge with a foreign entity (Pfizer)
3) But out a competitor to lower net assets and positive cash flow
4) Build plants in Canada and Mexico, countries with more profitable tax laws (GM)
5) Buy back outstanding shares to lower again their balance sheet and for the short term so they take a loss and avoid the hight tax rate
While I admre Sanders passion where was this revolution , 5,10 years ago? How is Sanders going to achieve this when we have 3.6 million baby boomers retiring each year. Where does he make up the taxable income, capital gains from stock purchases and sells?
What "skin" has Sanders put into the game? Nothing. He's making all these demands but how many people make what he makes? Live with he lives? HIs income tax from 2015 showed income of $200,000. How many people in this country come close to that?
But to me all of this is moot. Sanders will not get anything resembling such radical policies towards a GOP Senate that he routinely ignored for a sponsor on a bill he sponsord. It wil never happen
1) move their corporate headquarters outright (Burger King)
2) Merge with a foreign entity (Pfizer)
3) But out a competitor to lower net assets and positive cash flow
4) Build plants in Canada and Mexico, countries with more profitable tax laws (GM)
5) Buy back outstanding shares to lower again their balance sheet and for the short term so they take a loss and avoid the hight tax rate
While I admre Sanders passion where was this revolution , 5,10 years ago? How is Sanders going to achieve this when we have 3.6 million baby boomers retiring each year. Where does he make up the taxable income, capital gains from stock purchases and sells?
What "skin" has Sanders put into the game? Nothing. He's making all these demands but how many people make what he makes? Live with he lives? HIs income tax from 2015 showed income of $200,000. How many people in this country come close to that?
But to me all of this is moot. Sanders will not get anything resembling such radical policies towards a GOP Senate that he routinely ignored for a sponsor on a bill he sponsord. It wil never happen
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Sanders is an old-style panderer - promising everyone everything, just to get votes. He's an egomaniac.
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I commented a little while ago on how wonderful it would be if the NYT lead with headlines about Democrats. I'm sure it was happy coincidence but they did and since then there has been more balanced reporting. But still, in today's headline, Trump comes first, Clinton comes second.
It's the same everywhere. The Huffpost polls for this election puts Trump's name first in all the contests between him and Democrat candidates.
Stranger, and more alarming, is how the Democrat race is so largely influenced by race. You would think that the candidate leaning most to the left would have reached out to African Americans throughout his career.
But he didn't. What bothers me is that he didn't want to, it wasn't a natural part of him. Until he needed their votes. And I feel like a stuck record because I say this all the time but it really bothers me; Sanders is against the super-wealthy and those who don't pay tax and rightly so. But he reached to Al Sharpton who is a civil rights leader of stature but he's also a millionaire—his worth is $5 m—who doesn't pay his taxes. He owes $4.5 m on his for-profit businesses.
I can't count the number of times Sanders supporters have insinuated or said straight out that the African Americans who support Clinton just don't understand what's at stake or they've been brainwashed by the Clinton family and can't think for themselves.
It's the South versus the North again, with a twist.
It's the same everywhere. The Huffpost polls for this election puts Trump's name first in all the contests between him and Democrat candidates.
Stranger, and more alarming, is how the Democrat race is so largely influenced by race. You would think that the candidate leaning most to the left would have reached out to African Americans throughout his career.
But he didn't. What bothers me is that he didn't want to, it wasn't a natural part of him. Until he needed their votes. And I feel like a stuck record because I say this all the time but it really bothers me; Sanders is against the super-wealthy and those who don't pay tax and rightly so. But he reached to Al Sharpton who is a civil rights leader of stature but he's also a millionaire—his worth is $5 m—who doesn't pay his taxes. He owes $4.5 m on his for-profit businesses.
I can't count the number of times Sanders supporters have insinuated or said straight out that the African Americans who support Clinton just don't understand what's at stake or they've been brainwashed by the Clinton family and can't think for themselves.
It's the South versus the North again, with a twist.
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And the only time Clinton reached out to the black was when she needed their votes. How about a President that will work for ALL not just a select group?
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This just in: Voters hold candidates accountable for what they say and do on the campaign trail as well as before they started campaigning!
It's clear that many candidates aren't used to the fact that a large percentage of the population carries devices that can both videotape incidents the campaign would rather didn't get out (e.g. Romney's 47% moment), and can fact-check a candidate within minutes.
We had a great example of this when Hillary Clinton said that she didn't know where Bernie Sanders was when she was rolling out health care legislation, and within minutes people were posting photos of Sanders standing directly behind her while she was announcing it. Or the recent case of a Trump supporter punching somebody at a Trump rally, and Trump doing absolutely nothing to suggest that that was inappropriate (as well as the police arresting the victim of that crime rather than the perpetrator, probably because the victim was black and the perpetrator was white).
It's clear that many candidates aren't used to the fact that a large percentage of the population carries devices that can both videotape incidents the campaign would rather didn't get out (e.g. Romney's 47% moment), and can fact-check a candidate within minutes.
We had a great example of this when Hillary Clinton said that she didn't know where Bernie Sanders was when she was rolling out health care legislation, and within minutes people were posting photos of Sanders standing directly behind her while she was announcing it. Or the recent case of a Trump supporter punching somebody at a Trump rally, and Trump doing absolutely nothing to suggest that that was inappropriate (as well as the police arresting the victim of that crime rather than the perpetrator, probably because the victim was black and the perpetrator was white).
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I voted for Obama in the 2008 primary and for him twice as president. My reason was based on his platform and I liked the idea of a fresh start after the Bush Jr, presidency. My vote for Obama was not a rejection of Hillary.
I would rather Hillary to Bernie this election. I prefer Hillary because I prefer her incrementalism as opposed to Bernie revolution. I think it is important that the next president come as close as he/she can to delivering what they promise so that people can begin to trust government again.
I would rather Hillary to Bernie this election. I prefer Hillary because I prefer her incrementalism as opposed to Bernie revolution. I think it is important that the next president come as close as he/she can to delivering what they promise so that people can begin to trust government again.
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I'm going to have to disagree with your claim here. The biggest question mark I have about Hillary is her campaign's overall strategy. They are bumbling it in my view. Well let's look at this idea of incremental change. Hillary argues that she is the one that will bring real change. But how is her argument any different from Trump's? She says Bernie can't deliver because his positions are unrealistic. She argues that his proposals on health care for example can't get through. Well why would any of her proposals get through? The working assumption is that the Republicans will still control congress. Republicans want to repeal ACA. If single payer won't get through a Republican controlled congress, what reason is there to think that any of Hillary's incremental proposals will? On this, all I get from her is "I will get it done". Sorry, but I don't believe Trump and I don't believe her. Also Wall Street. Saying to cut it out is supposed to give her a moral foothold on this issue, which is undermined by her paid speeches. Does she not get that?
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Try to hear what he says about "political revolution" He means getting more people out to vote, and getting them to lobby their representatives, and
getting the big money out of politics so the representatives can stand for us rather than for the Koch brothers and others. Sure, there will be some
incrementalism in a Sanders presidency, the same kind that got us the New
Deal.
getting the big money out of politics so the representatives can stand for us rather than for the Koch brothers and others. Sure, there will be some
incrementalism in a Sanders presidency, the same kind that got us the New
Deal.
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Was Hillary's vote to invade Iraq incrementalism? How about her support for NAFTA and the TPP? How about that hundred million dollars worth of Top Secret Wall Street speeches?
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Good article. I look forward to 2 candidates for each party. Then there will probably be a better discussion of national issues. Bernie and HRC are doing a commendable job but the GOP is still a comic opera.
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There are real policy differences between Senator Sanders & Secretary Clinton. But they aren't much in evidence here. Instead I see the talking points the GOP's Ministry of Propaganda has developed & deployed against her for 20 years.
And then then there's the praise for Sanders--"He's authentic" "He speaks truth to power" "He isn't tainted by Big Money."
It takes me back. To 2000, when Ralph Nader's supporters said exactly the same things about him--& called Al Gore "inauthentic," "establishment," "a fat cat who's no different than Bush."
Nader's Raiders knew their guy could never win, but they could take down Gore & show the Democratic establishment a thing or two.
And boy howdy did they.
To this day Nader expresses no regrets over his egotistical, quixotic crusade.
Does anyone today believe a Gore presidency would have been the same as a Bush presidency?
Yet here we go again. And it's such a sham. Clinton dishonest? Pulitzer Prize-winning factchecker Politifact.com ranked the candidates for honesty about important issues. Turns out Clinton says falsehoods 28% of the time--while Sanders does so 29%...Cruz, 70%, & Trump, 76%.
But Sanders has certaintly demonstrated his ideological purity in the Senate. The Lugar Center's bipartisan rating ranked him dead last in 2015 for bipartisanship (tied with Ted Cruz).
Sanders' poll ratings reflect the fact that the GOP's guns are mostly hammering Clinton--because they want to face Sanders in the fall.
Don't help them.
And then then there's the praise for Sanders--"He's authentic" "He speaks truth to power" "He isn't tainted by Big Money."
It takes me back. To 2000, when Ralph Nader's supporters said exactly the same things about him--& called Al Gore "inauthentic," "establishment," "a fat cat who's no different than Bush."
Nader's Raiders knew their guy could never win, but they could take down Gore & show the Democratic establishment a thing or two.
And boy howdy did they.
To this day Nader expresses no regrets over his egotistical, quixotic crusade.
Does anyone today believe a Gore presidency would have been the same as a Bush presidency?
Yet here we go again. And it's such a sham. Clinton dishonest? Pulitzer Prize-winning factchecker Politifact.com ranked the candidates for honesty about important issues. Turns out Clinton says falsehoods 28% of the time--while Sanders does so 29%...Cruz, 70%, & Trump, 76%.
But Sanders has certaintly demonstrated his ideological purity in the Senate. The Lugar Center's bipartisan rating ranked him dead last in 2015 for bipartisanship (tied with Ted Cruz).
Sanders' poll ratings reflect the fact that the GOP's guns are mostly hammering Clinton--because they want to face Sanders in the fall.
Don't help them.
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Good article! I will vote for Hillary!
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If your descriptions of Hillary and Bernie were right, this ad would not be funny at all. But it is...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iBb1gvehI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iBb1gvehI
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Nader was the Green party candidate. He only didn't rise 45 million+ in 30 days. Oh! And he also only received 2.75% of the popular vote.
I don't see how Ralph Nader has anything to do with Bernie Sanders, who is basically neck and neck right now with Clinton on the DEMOCRATIC ticket?
I don't see how Ralph Nader has anything to do with Bernie Sanders, who is basically neck and neck right now with Clinton on the DEMOCRATIC ticket?
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What does Hillary really believe? For me that is the puzzle. As I listened to her death penalty answer last night, it was clear to me she was offering an answer based on extensive public polling, and that answer had nothing to do with what she in fact believes. I saw her do this again and again during that same event. Is she really against trade agreements of just the current ones that are unpopular? Her record says she actually supports the fracking industry, but fracking is now unpopular among many Democrats, so last night she tried to sound like she is now against it. Hillary, just tell us what you really believe. I actually think you probably are a liberal, even though you claim to dislike that label. Until you do start just telling us what you really think, and I an convinced I am in fact hearing what you really believe, I'm voting for Bernie. That man has never polled an issue before he answered a question about that issue. If you learn anything from Bernie, learn that.
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OMG a democratically elected official who lets public opinion inform her decisions on complicated questions that have been a gray area for decades.
This isn't torture or abortion. This is an issue that when presented with a certain set of qualifying circumstances, most of the country would see it both ways.
What I like about Hillary the most is that she isn't pretending that these issues are layups and running the country is a piece of cake.
I think someone like Bernie who is like: well if we raise the minimum wage, repeal Citizens United, and toss some executives in jail, there won't be much else to do but revel in our prosperity.
That to me is way, way more dishonest than saying that both sides of the death penalty have valid points.
This isn't torture or abortion. This is an issue that when presented with a certain set of qualifying circumstances, most of the country would see it both ways.
What I like about Hillary the most is that she isn't pretending that these issues are layups and running the country is a piece of cake.
I think someone like Bernie who is like: well if we raise the minimum wage, repeal Citizens United, and toss some executives in jail, there won't be much else to do but revel in our prosperity.
That to me is way, way more dishonest than saying that both sides of the death penalty have valid points.
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There is nothing Hillary can say that will change your mind, Tom in Portland. She said it was a hard question, and it is.
Remember how people called for the blood of Timothy McVeigh? If she wanted the death penalty abolished, you'd jump all over that.
Remember how people called for the blood of Timothy McVeigh? If she wanted the death penalty abolished, you'd jump all over that.
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Thank you Tom for so effectively expressing what is so clear about HRC, no core beliefs other than the desire to be President. Your point about the polling echoes Lani Guinier's description of the manner in which Bill and Hillary based on their reading of the pollindg data of the time, and Guinier was someone who was supposed to be their friend. If her friends can't trust her to support them and do the right thing, why should we. I would like someone to explain to me the source of the passion for supporting her. I cannot understand it.
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Here's the thing, or a thing- Sanders and Clinton both have their strengths and weaknesses, but let's be fair.
While many see Clinton as subverting truth to expediency (and certainly as a politician she's had her share of doing this) Sanders, who long considered himself an independent- an Independent, a Socialist- is now running within the Democratic Party for its candidacy. Isn't this the height of expediency? All of a sudden Sanders criticizes the Democratic frontrunner from within a party upon which he has previously heaped scorn, but now joins. While many of his criticisms are valid, they'd strike me as more consistent coming from an Independent candidate.
While many see Clinton as subverting truth to expediency (and certainly as a politician she's had her share of doing this) Sanders, who long considered himself an independent- an Independent, a Socialist- is now running within the Democratic Party for its candidacy. Isn't this the height of expediency? All of a sudden Sanders criticizes the Democratic frontrunner from within a party upon which he has previously heaped scorn, but now joins. While many of his criticisms are valid, they'd strike me as more consistent coming from an Independent candidate.
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There is no way to the white house for an independent candidate running as an independent because they will get to the general elections with very little name and issue recognition. This is why both Trump and Sanders had to join a party. So they get air time, debate time.... and people get to know them too.
Our system is designed to favor the 2 party system and not let a third party , insurgent , independent candidate have a chance. They system has to change if we want true democracy
Our system is designed to favor the 2 party system and not let a third party , insurgent , independent candidate have a chance. They system has to change if we want true democracy
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True, but if he ran as an independent you never would have heard his criticisms. Sanders is a realist. As little press as he has received (at least at the beginning of his campaign, he's doing better now after winning 9 states) he would have received zero coverage had he run as an independent.
What makes a democrat anyway? His policies are what the party should be standing for. It makes sense he would run as one.
What makes a democrat anyway? His policies are what the party should be standing for. It makes sense he would run as one.
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I think I would rather have someone who is practical about what box you will click in an electronic voting booth (Bernie) than someone who lies again and again in public about what they believe (Hillary). Hillary has misrepresented the facts, changed her mind, and rewritten her own record so many times that it's hard to know what she actually thinks or where her allegiance is. Her platform now is completely different than it was at the start of the race. At least with Bernie, you know what you are getting. You know that he means what he says. He's been fighting for the same issues, even when it made him very unpopular, for years and years.
If the best predictor of a person's future actions is how they have behaved in the past, what does that say about Hillary, a person who has flip-flopped, told half truths, sided with republicans, and made terrible errors in judgement?
If the best predictor of a person's future actions is how they have behaved in the past, what does that say about Hillary, a person who has flip-flopped, told half truths, sided with republicans, and made terrible errors in judgement?
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Trump, Bernie, Kasich and Rubio need to go home! It is a waste of time, money and votes for their failing and agonizing campaigns. Trump don't know what he is doing. Kasich and Bernie don't have enough delegates, neither does Rubio enough is enough. Send them home. They are just on the way!
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What, not off with their heads as well?
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You forgot about Ted Cruz - unless you're completely biased or you don't know what you're talking about, I suspect both.
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Trump, HILLARY, Kasich and Rubio need to go home! It is a waste of time, money and votes for their failing and agonizing campaigns.
There, fixed it for you.
There, fixed it for you.
Can we now finally admit that Republican Political Parties are over. This election will be The Democrats versus The Military-Industrial Complex
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Which is why Trump is winning. His only real campaign strategy is grow the military. His biggest lie is that he doesn't want to use it. You bet he does.
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You think the Democrats, especially Hillary, is not the Military/Industrial complex?
You'd better do your homework if you think Hillary is not tied in tightly with Lockheed, Boeing, Johnson Controls, the Pentagon/Wall Street Corridor that puts it all in play. Nice profits if you are in the State Dept. and have those connections to "military" $. It's exactly what Eisenhower warned about, and it's come to pass. The very point of this election is to stop the Military/Industrial Complex, of which the Clintons are major players. It ain't just Republicans. Not that simple.
http://people.defensenews.com/2012/profile.php?pn=76
"In his four months in office, Holbrooke has become the point man in implementing the administration's Bosnia policy. He replaced the largely inactive Stephen Oxman, a protege of First Lady Hillary Clinton."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1995/02/02/us-fears-wide...
You'd better do your homework if you think Hillary is not tied in tightly with Lockheed, Boeing, Johnson Controls, the Pentagon/Wall Street Corridor that puts it all in play. Nice profits if you are in the State Dept. and have those connections to "military" $. It's exactly what Eisenhower warned about, and it's come to pass. The very point of this election is to stop the Military/Industrial Complex, of which the Clintons are major players. It ain't just Republicans. Not that simple.
http://people.defensenews.com/2012/profile.php?pn=76
"In his four months in office, Holbrooke has become the point man in implementing the administration's Bosnia policy. He replaced the largely inactive Stephen Oxman, a protege of First Lady Hillary Clinton."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1995/02/02/us-fears-wide...
As a yellow dog Democrat (although I *would* have voted for Eliot Richardson) I'm feel pretty sanguine about the Republican nomination process. Of course, I smiled when some pundits said that this was an "impressive" group of Republican candidates. Bobby Jindal? Professor Rick Perry? Chris Christie, the man from Bridgegate? Don't make me laugh. I hope nobody calls me anti-woman; but Carly Fiorina is a total witch (along with being completely dishonest regarding the so-called film showing Planned Parenthood harvesting body parts for profit. I only hope and pray they chose her for Vice President. The kicker is that Ted Cruz is now the moderate. Before the rise of Trump, he was everyone's sure loser. I don't care what anybody says, he's waaay out of the mainstream and will go down in flames for sure.
P.S. Did you hear Sarah Palin at the Trump rally? She's a disgrace.
The kicker is that Ted Cruz is now the savior. Before the rise of Trump, he was everyone's sure loser. I don't care what anybody says, he's waaay out of the mainstream and will go down in flames for sure.
P.S. Did you hear Sarah Palin at the Trump rally? She's a disgrace.
The kicker is that Ted Cruz is now the savior. Before the rise of Trump, he was everyone's sure loser. I don't care what anybody says, he's waaay out of the mainstream and will go down in flames for sure.
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Sarah Palin is the greatest comedian of the 21st century.
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While I prefer Sanders' positions on issues to Hillary's I don't think Sanders can be elected.
He will be savaged for referring to himself as a "socialist". White lower class voters equate "socialism" with communism. Recall how in 1988 Dukakis was savaged by Bush 41 for being a "liberal".
Sanders being Jewish should not matter but unfortunately will with many in the religious right.
Sanders being a Vietnam War conscientious objector will hurt him with many who will see him as being unable to defeat ISIS or defend the US.
Again the question is not whether these issues should matter but will they matter to the moderate and lower class voters a Dem candidate needs to be elected.
Hillary's comment about coal was misguided.
Coal is going to be mined and burned. What is needed is an all out Manhattan type project to develop the technology to trap the C02 and toxics released when coal is burned.
Solar, wind etc. today only supply a small part of energy use.
We will unfortunate still need to rely on fossil fuels including coal.
We need to develop the technology to make coal use much safer.
He will be savaged for referring to himself as a "socialist". White lower class voters equate "socialism" with communism. Recall how in 1988 Dukakis was savaged by Bush 41 for being a "liberal".
Sanders being Jewish should not matter but unfortunately will with many in the religious right.
Sanders being a Vietnam War conscientious objector will hurt him with many who will see him as being unable to defeat ISIS or defend the US.
Again the question is not whether these issues should matter but will they matter to the moderate and lower class voters a Dem candidate needs to be elected.
Hillary's comment about coal was misguided.
Coal is going to be mined and burned. What is needed is an all out Manhattan type project to develop the technology to trap the C02 and toxics released when coal is burned.
Solar, wind etc. today only supply a small part of energy use.
We will unfortunate still need to rely on fossil fuels including coal.
We need to develop the technology to make coal use much safer.
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It's a fact, there are more people employed in wind power production today than coal production.
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Trapping the C02 and toxics released when coal is burned makes coal un- competitive with other fossil fuels. Manhattan type projects cannot accomplish miracles. From time to time people propose them, but 85 years later there has only been one.
You only touch on Sander's problems in a general election. Middle class workers who are hurting, and those who are not for that matter, will not accept increased income taxes, no matter how they fit into the overall picture. 30 years of Republican propaganda and Democratic going along make that a rock ribbed reality. If you think working American are sensible enough to accept Sander's argument on Medicare For All, just watch a few Trump rallies.
You only touch on Sander's problems in a general election. Middle class workers who are hurting, and those who are not for that matter, will not accept increased income taxes, no matter how they fit into the overall picture. 30 years of Republican propaganda and Democratic going along make that a rock ribbed reality. If you think working American are sensible enough to accept Sander's argument on Medicare For All, just watch a few Trump rallies.
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"Lower class whites" indeed! This post reeks of condescension. When I moved to Boston in the early '70s Mike Dukakis was running for his first ( disastrous as it turned out) term as governor. His slogan was: "Mike Dukakis Should Be Governor." That slogan set me up for a lifetime of loathing the left. I'd rather be a 'lower class white' than your friend and peer.
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If anyone can get anything done in Congress, it's Sanders. Clinton's too bogged down by her special interests and her federal investigations (we're only hearing on the first of 5). But Sanders has the passion, the experience, and the political savvy. He's been there for decades, and knows the people and the process inside out. As a minority progressive, Sanders had the guts and savvy to make his deals--so he's known as the Amendment King (NYT article today). It also takes a lot of political skills to come up from 60 points down, against the Clinton money and machine. Sanders has the passion, the experience, and the skills; add in the power of the voters behind him, and he's a force to be reckoned with.
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You may want to check out a deep dive piece on Bernie written in Politico last week. Bernie has spent 30 yrs. talking with very few minor results to show for it. All his claims of Wall Street reform legislation, Barnie Frank says nada, absolutely not. Good old honest passionate Bernie admitted over the weekend he ran on the Democratic ticket just to get access to media coverage and the ability to get availability to databases not because he is a Democrat. Yup, Bernie is more like Trump everyday. Angry, yelling , finger pointing and wagging, and a. Divide and conquer strategy. Increasingly focusing his campaign on white men.
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Exactly. He shows himself to be solid on the issues and speaks well in face of huge media and DNC opposition. Showed spunk vis a vis Chuck Todd in the
Monday town hall without being sarcastic or condescending. Shows the kind of
presidential leadership we need to continue and strengthen Obama's
mission of hope and change!
Monday town hall without being sarcastic or condescending. Shows the kind of
presidential leadership we need to continue and strengthen Obama's
mission of hope and change!
Why couldn't Clinton say "We're going to put a lot of coal companies out of business and the miners will have safer, better, clean energy jobs."
It never occurred to her, probably. She didn't pay much attention during the Aids epidemic, either, or to student debt and to the terrible effect of the tsunami of H1-B visas on STEM graduates seeking jobs. She may be a lesser evil than the Republican candidate but we deserve better than to fly under the radar of our President. Feel the Bern!
It never occurred to her, probably. She didn't pay much attention during the Aids epidemic, either, or to student debt and to the terrible effect of the tsunami of H1-B visas on STEM graduates seeking jobs. She may be a lesser evil than the Republican candidate but we deserve better than to fly under the radar of our President. Feel the Bern!
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That proposed comment would have been seen as political pablum by most of the miners. "better clean energy jobs...yeah, sure."
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Because her first sentence was what she meant. She was going to put all poor coal miners out of work.
Read the transcript. That's what she did say.
Wake up and smell the roses all you liberals.
The choice in November is Hillary Clinton or a right wing Republican. You want the right wing Republican, then keep on complaining about Hillary because she's the only choice you have. She has already won the nomination so let's shut down this stupidity that only weakens the liberal side of the November equation before we wind up with zero in November.
Bernie Sander is not going to be president and all he is doing now is weakening the entire chance that we can retain the White House.
His Rose Garden already reeks and stinks of defeat just like the one that George McGovern planted.
The choice in November is Hillary Clinton or a right wing Republican. You want the right wing Republican, then keep on complaining about Hillary because she's the only choice you have. She has already won the nomination so let's shut down this stupidity that only weakens the liberal side of the November equation before we wind up with zero in November.
Bernie Sander is not going to be president and all he is doing now is weakening the entire chance that we can retain the White House.
His Rose Garden already reeks and stinks of defeat just like the one that George McGovern planted.
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Clinton smirking that "We're going to put a lot of coal miners.......out of business" reminds me of Margaret Thatcher in her arrogance and disdain for the working class. Maggie was eventually forced out of office by her own party. How much damage will the DNC allow before they come to their senses and back Sanders instead?
Don't tell me that she has "misspoken" yet again. This is exactly why so many voters are flocking to Sanders or (gawd forbid) Trump.
Don't tell me that she has "misspoken" yet again. This is exactly why so many voters are flocking to Sanders or (gawd forbid) Trump.
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HRC misspeaks every time she opens her mouth.
To all of you who are ready to count Hillary out, I say: Not so fast! Bernie may have the momentum, but he has focused way too much attention to Wall Street, claiming that an attack on Wall Street will resolve our issues. That is far from the truth. Wall Street has too many backers in Washington who will protect their interests, no matter what Sanders promises. Also, let's not forget that free college education to every student in this country is a promise he cannot keep. Sanders will be pushed around by Congress, he will be unable to fight any war against terrorism, and he will be a leader in name only. The only real choice is Hillary. She will accomplish more than any of the others running for office. She will do it.
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Hillary will use the office – as she and her family have used every office to which they have managed to be elected – to stuff her Hedge Fund and Foundation with more hundreds of millions of dollars. Hillary is in this for the Clintons, and only the Clintons, and the sooner folks realize that, the better chance we have of bringing an actual Champion of the People to the throne. Go Bernie!
Hillary Clinton is not without faults, and I do wish with all my heart that she didn't have all that baggage she pulls around with her, including her husbands. I have to agree with Ms. Beier, who is a proud supporter of HRC, acknowledging she has flaws, but if we want someone who can stand up to the opposition (and there is a mountain of it), then I believe she is our woman. She has been a punching bag all these years, and is still standing.
That does not mean I don't support Bernie Sanders idealism. I'm a child of the '60s, and idealism runs in my bones, but as a community college instructor, I cringe at the idea of free tuition. Even my students think it is a pie in the sky idea. But, I applaud him for the effort he is making.
Thank you,
That does not mean I don't support Bernie Sanders idealism. I'm a child of the '60s, and idealism runs in my bones, but as a community college instructor, I cringe at the idea of free tuition. Even my students think it is a pie in the sky idea. But, I applaud him for the effort he is making.
Thank you,
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Hillary Clinton has never run in a truly contested election against a dyed-in-the-wool conservative Republican. Sanders and Obama were/are respectful, stick-to-the-facts with integrity gentlemen.
The conservative, red state Republicans will eviscerate Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton with smears by reframing her own words and deeds!
The conservative, red state Republicans will eviscerate Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton with smears by reframing her own words and deeds!
Free tuition is not a pie in the sky. Actually it is reality in most civilized countries. I lived it and I loved it.
..."but as a community college instructor, I cringe at the idea of free tuition." I would like to know why this thought makes you cringe. Didn't Hillary state that she wanted to begin free tuition at community colleges?
I have condemned media bias against Sanders previously but I also don't like seeing the media piling on Trump, even though I'm not a supporter. It seems like the protestors at his rallies are there to incite trouble rather than just protest. Despite some of Trump's macho comments, all the videos I've seen suggest the protesters are trying to provoke confrontations, not the aTrump supporters. I would not blame Trump for their actions any more than I'd blame Clinton or Sanders for the behavior of protesters.
If a bunch of unruly Trump supporters created loud disruptions or provoked scuffles at Clinton or Sanders' rallies, there would be media outrage. I think in the media's desperation to slow the rush of support for Trump, they are being unfair. Trump gives plenty of ammunition to his critics to use against him through his words and lack of policy substance. There's no need to unfairly blame him for the actions of protesters. Fair and balanced reporting should apply to both sides of politics.
If a bunch of unruly Trump supporters created loud disruptions or provoked scuffles at Clinton or Sanders' rallies, there would be media outrage. I think in the media's desperation to slow the rush of support for Trump, they are being unfair. Trump gives plenty of ammunition to his critics to use against him through his words and lack of policy substance. There's no need to unfairly blame him for the actions of protesters. Fair and balanced reporting should apply to both sides of politics.
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Yes, words are and can be weapons. I consider our nation now to be on the verge of civil war. I also cite the group of foreign policy wonks that wrote their letter against Don Trump. Trump is clearly weaponizing his words against the status quo which means the Democrat President holding sway over the nation.
Trump is inciting violence and instilling deep seated anger in the population, nurturing dormant feelings of hostilities in Republican voters.
Clinton and Sanders must begin to educate the public about Trump's incitement and the dangers he poses. Even if it is unlikely he will be the nominee, it is incumbent upon our leaders to marginalize the threat.
Either Clinton and Sanders use weaponized words against Trump, or we all suffer.
You can't wear blinders on a treacherous path.
Trump is inciting violence and instilling deep seated anger in the population, nurturing dormant feelings of hostilities in Republican voters.
Clinton and Sanders must begin to educate the public about Trump's incitement and the dangers he poses. Even if it is unlikely he will be the nominee, it is incumbent upon our leaders to marginalize the threat.
Either Clinton and Sanders use weaponized words against Trump, or we all suffer.
You can't wear blinders on a treacherous path.
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Words have always been "weapons " of a sort, as the Renaissance commonplace had it: 'Life and Death are in the Power of the Tongue.' Or see the Prologue to The Second Part of King Henry the Second: "Enter RUMOUR, dressed in a thousand tongues." The leaders of the Third Reich were unfortunately, no matter what your thoughts on the issue, brilliant manipulators of the German language. Expressions such as Kristallnacht, ("Chrystal Night ") and others show how the most terrible acts can be labeled in a chillingly poetic trope. I am just relying on the Ides of March. Luckily, Donald Trump has no such mastery of language. The Democratic candidate most vulnerable to the GOP is Hillary Clinton. Read Hitchens, No One Left to Lie To. The woman is so corrupt, and if I know so many skeletons, imagine what the Republican machine is busy digging up.
If Bernie Sanders denies me the one chance I'll ever have to vote for a woman president, then all of the high as a kite Bernie disciples will get what they truly deserve--Trump as president. Where can I get what his fans are smoking? I get the millennials who mistakenly think the PRIVATE colleges they want to attend are going to be free, but the older folks? Do they not pay attention to what Congress has done to Obama? Bernie is a TV that gets only one channel--income inequality caused by Wall Street. Over and over and over again. Can you see him doing a state of the union address? Everyone watching, and he himself, will fall asleep.
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This is not "feminism" . Do not vote for Hillary "because she is a woman". Vote for her because you agree with what she stands for. Vote for her because you feel she is the best candidate , please. We women, are beyond this. Can I ask you if you voted for Sarah Palin because she was a woman?
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@JulieB
Julie, you are now my favorite person in the world! Thank you for saying so plainly and effectively what needs to be said. Please know that MANY, many people agree with you.
As I've said before in commentary I will vote for whichever Democrat wins the nomination but after reading so many of the Bernie supports saying they won't support Hillary if she is the nominee then I have to begin to question whether I would actually support Bernie after all...I'm getting mighty fed up with this Sanders nonsense.
Julie, you are now my favorite person in the world! Thank you for saying so plainly and effectively what needs to be said. Please know that MANY, many people agree with you.
As I've said before in commentary I will vote for whichever Democrat wins the nomination but after reading so many of the Bernie supports saying they won't support Hillary if she is the nominee then I have to begin to question whether I would actually support Bernie after all...I'm getting mighty fed up with this Sanders nonsense.
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Stay and vote in 2020 for Representative Tulsi Gabbard if she becomes his Vice President!
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The protests launched by militant leftists who shut down Donald Trump’s Chicago rally were far more aggressive and destructive than reported, says a Chicago Police officer, reported Bretibart News.
“It seems the [media] aren’t broadcasting footage of the debris being thrown across Harrison by Sanders/Hillary supporters at Trump fans,” the officer wrote shortly after the canceled Trump event.
The officer, who posed anonymously on the Second City Cop blog, also noted the media didn’t report that protesters were running through parking lots and breaking windows of cars with Trump stickers on them, or that the department called out emergency Incident Teams to cope with the anti-Trump riot at the University of Illinois in Chicago.
“It seems the [media] aren’t broadcasting footage of the debris being thrown across Harrison by Sanders/Hillary supporters at Trump fans,” the officer wrote shortly after the canceled Trump event.
The officer, who posed anonymously on the Second City Cop blog, also noted the media didn’t report that protesters were running through parking lots and breaking windows of cars with Trump stickers on them, or that the department called out emergency Incident Teams to cope with the anti-Trump riot at the University of Illinois in Chicago.
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And we believe the "officer" who posted anonymously on some blog is really an officer because . . . . .
As believable as Trump saying he MET (his word, repeated three times to Chris Matthews) with Chicago PD . . . when he never even spoke with them.
As believable as Trump saying he MET (his word, repeated three times to Chris Matthews) with Chicago PD . . . when he never even spoke with them.
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@Mytwocents
You may want to hold on to those two cents of yours. First, Breitbart is a fascist joke of a "news" source and, second, anti-Trump protesters simple exercised their 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHT to protest in Chicago, end of story.
Trump lied as he does about EVERYTHING in saying that law enforcement had anything to do with the cancellation of the rally. No, Trump chickened out for fear of getting his orange wig smattered with thrown tomatoes, and the Chicago police specifically said they'd have let the rally go on as they were well prepared for it.
Face it, your man is a complete liar apart from being a fascist demagogue and your news sources are right-wing clap trap.
You may want to hold on to those two cents of yours. First, Breitbart is a fascist joke of a "news" source and, second, anti-Trump protesters simple exercised their 2nd AMENDMENT RIGHT to protest in Chicago, end of story.
Trump lied as he does about EVERYTHING in saying that law enforcement had anything to do with the cancellation of the rally. No, Trump chickened out for fear of getting his orange wig smattered with thrown tomatoes, and the Chicago police specifically said they'd have let the rally go on as they were well prepared for it.
Face it, your man is a complete liar apart from being a fascist demagogue and your news sources are right-wing clap trap.
And Breitbart News? Sure. No bias there.
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Hillary was a first choice before the race began. Every time she opens her mouth it gets harder to support her even if she is the candidate of the Democratic Party.
Tonight's MSNBC interview her distortions (lies) about Bernie Sander's policies on global trade were vile. She still is the presumptive nominee but every time she opens her mouth she seems to confirm everything her opponents say about her.
When she talked about her Iraq vote she almost disqualified herself when even after a seven year stint as Secretary of State she seemed confused as to what America knew and when it knew it. Everybody makes mistakes America is ready for someone who admits mistakes and will try harder.
Tonight's MSNBC interview her distortions (lies) about Bernie Sander's policies on global trade were vile. She still is the presumptive nominee but every time she opens her mouth she seems to confirm everything her opponents say about her.
When she talked about her Iraq vote she almost disqualified herself when even after a seven year stint as Secretary of State she seemed confused as to what America knew and when it knew it. Everybody makes mistakes America is ready for someone who admits mistakes and will try harder.
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Hillary was secretary for only four years. You should have watched the hearing where she was grilled for eleven hours. Magnificent! Hillary will be a great president. Republicans have been after her since Biil was elected in 1992 and she is still standing
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She is infinitely better than Republicans. After 35 years of the Alzheimer Revolution we need more than infinitely better. America needs someone to buy a new calendar.
She is infinitely better than Republicans. After 35 years of the Alzheimer Revolution we need more than infinitely better. America needs someone to buy a new calendar.
I see the appeal of Sanders as an anti-Clinton and a consistent, honest and direct man. But Sanders has not yet been in the sights of any Republican PAC, and the Clinton camp has handled him with kid gloves.
When the GOP begins to harp on themes like "a socialist supporter of communists seen as enemies of the US", "a non-believing Jew with an out of wedlock son", " a small state Senator with no legislation to his credit, no evidence of leadership, and no executive experience beyond being Mayor a small city", I fear they will quickly douse the bern. But then, I have memories of being excited about Gene McCarthy, ardent for McGovern, and even for a while thinking that the honesty and decent of Jimmy Carter would prevail over the empty slogans, lies, and underhanded tactics of Ronald Reagan.
I'll enthusiastically support and give to Sanders if he is nominated, but I'm running scared about what will happen to him if he has to defend his record to the independent middle of the country.
When the GOP begins to harp on themes like "a socialist supporter of communists seen as enemies of the US", "a non-believing Jew with an out of wedlock son", " a small state Senator with no legislation to his credit, no evidence of leadership, and no executive experience beyond being Mayor a small city", I fear they will quickly douse the bern. But then, I have memories of being excited about Gene McCarthy, ardent for McGovern, and even for a while thinking that the honesty and decent of Jimmy Carter would prevail over the empty slogans, lies, and underhanded tactics of Ronald Reagan.
I'll enthusiastically support and give to Sanders if he is nominated, but I'm running scared about what will happen to him if he has to defend his record to the independent middle of the country.
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The Clinton campaign hasn't treated Sanders with kid gloves. They've had David Brock at one of their super pacs doing opposition research. Remember that ridiculous attempt to tell us that it wasn't Sanders in that picture of the protest at U of Chicago? That was Brock, same guy who tried to smear Anita Hill. It's not Clinton's kid gloves - they just haven't found anything.
Maybe you are right, or maybe people will laugh when they hear that trash-talk.
Some people will never vote for him, but they would never vote for Hillary either.
Maybe enough Democrats and Independents know that he is honest, smart, and experienced enough to be president even though they won't say it out loud just now.
Some people will never vote for him, but they would never vote for Hillary either.
Maybe enough Democrats and Independents know that he is honest, smart, and experienced enough to be president even though they won't say it out loud just now.
Exactly. Republicans are gleeful at the prospect of running against Sanders. He is a good guy, but a total light weight next to Clinton for a general election.
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The last time we elected an honest, principled, and intelligent president who was a party outsider it led to the Reagan revolution four years later.
I wonder how many republican voters will vote for Sanders in the open primaries with the hope of a better Republican candidate showing up during the next election cycle? What's another four more years of obstructionism? Besides, the Democratic bench is looking none too deep right now. The Republicans have managed to cultivate a bigger farm team through gerrymandering and feeding foxy propaganda to an ever dulling populace.
I wonder how many republican voters will vote for Sanders in the open primaries with the hope of a better Republican candidate showing up during the next election cycle? What's another four more years of obstructionism? Besides, the Democratic bench is looking none too deep right now. The Republicans have managed to cultivate a bigger farm team through gerrymandering and feeding foxy propaganda to an ever dulling populace.
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Republicans with a bigger farm team? Surely you jest? More bodies with more warts than a common toad maybe. The most electable in their ranks don't poll in the top 4 in their own primaries? Trump is an egotistical racist bigot. That's not going to work out. Imagine Cruz having a tantrum over abortion,the debt, or healthcare and he now replaces a filibuster with a veto? He already says "no compromising". The best bipartisan efforts couldn't work with that. Rubio is to extreme, and folds when pressured. He couldn't resist the penis jokes that embarrassed his kids? Imagine Putin pushing his buttons, or an ayatollah? Palin, no comment required. "The Hair" a joke even in Texas. Fiorina, just can't resist waiting for timing to deliver a punch line that doesn't resonate, or tosses doctored films around that the whole world knows are a fraud? Perhaps Bachmann, a truly certifiable nut job that shows for certain the For Profit colleges should include the fake religious schools. That's to put a proper label on the distinction between the many good ones like SMU, BYU, and Baylor. How about the Tea Party reject in Nevada that wanted to assure us she isn't a witch. Did I miss your favorite Republican wannabe? Wait 2 years. More will show up. They just need to find a better source or it's going to be a long time before they see the White House again.
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Bernie is not anti-trade nor anti-corporation. Bernie is anti-CRONY capitalism. Bernie believes in government of the people, by the people, for the people.
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Your sentimentality is sweet but misplaced. Wake up. Your Bernie is unelectable to the rest of the country. Whatever happens vote Democrat in Nov. to save our great country.
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It's not sentimentality, Eileen, it's pragmatism. Senator Sanders has what it takes and with us behind him we can build on President Obama's successes.
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Thank the heavens for black women, not only the most loyal Democratic voters but the most loyal voters period. They are who will save us from both Sanders and Trump and for that I am forever and truly grateful!
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@ekdnyc
"Thank the heavens for black women, not only the most loyal Democratic voters but the most loyal voters period. They are who will save us from both Sanders and Trump and for that I am forever and truly grateful!"
Me, too and you are exactly right!
"Thank the heavens for black women, not only the most loyal Democratic voters but the most loyal voters period. They are who will save us from both Sanders and Trump and for that I am forever and truly grateful!"
Me, too and you are exactly right!
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From the comments here, it is clear that we are just fed up with candidates whose words pander to our wishes while in truth they have sold their influence to whomever will pay.
Not the case? Then: Secretary Clinton, once and for all: Release the transcripts! Now!
Not the case? Then: Secretary Clinton, once and for all: Release the transcripts! Now!
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If one view Trump and Bernie voters in part as a protest votes, then Trump is likely to draw more voters who might have voted for Bernie Sanders as a protest vote, but now want Trump to become a Republican nominee.
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Wake up folks don't you get it by now it does not matter if it is a Democrat or a Republican they are both beholden to the Federal Reserve and the Rothschilds and Rockefellers. If you folks really want real change you have go to the top of the mountain which is the banksters.
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Those pro-Bernie young voters and independents will only show up and vote for Bernie!
If Hillary wins the nomination based solely upon her winning in mostly red states, then she will lose the election!
Bernie will have the numbers in the blue states and the purple states to win the Presidency!
(As an aside, many of us baby-boomers have said that if Hillary gets the nomination, we would hold our noses and vote for her; BUT now due to her smear tactics and hawkish judgment, we're starting to have serious second thoughts!)
If Hillary wins the nomination based solely upon her winning in mostly red states, then she will lose the election!
Bernie will have the numbers in the blue states and the purple states to win the Presidency!
(As an aside, many of us baby-boomers have said that if Hillary gets the nomination, we would hold our noses and vote for her; BUT now due to her smear tactics and hawkish judgment, we're starting to have serious second thoughts!)
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a) IF Bernie cannot carry a majority of pledged (regular) delegates from HIS OWN party . . . . if he can't carry the Dems . .. . .precisely how do you think he'll be a Republican?
And speak for yourself-- every boomer I know (like my whole world) are active HIllary supporters.
And speak for yourself-- every boomer I know (like my whole world) are active HIllary supporters.
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So if what Clinton says about Sanders in the height of their contest piques you, you'll vote to hand over the next 20-30 years of Supreme Court decisions to the Republican Party.
Seriously?
Seriously?
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I'm a Boomer, too - and every Boomer I know is not voting for Hillary Clinton. Some, unfortunately, are not voting at all. A fine mess we've gotten ourselves into as a country.
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Sanders is the only one who can win against Trump.
Listen to Trump, try to understand his appeal, and you will see that only Sanders faces that, and does it better.
Hillary IS what Trump leads his followers against. To say she could beat him is to be as tone deaf as she is. She incites the wild feelings that Trump rides.
And if someone could beat Trump, forbid that it be Cruz. He's actually worse.
There is only one way to beat Trump now. That is to understand his appeal and do it better. Only Sanders gets it, what is making Americans so upset.
Listen to Trump, try to understand his appeal, and you will see that only Sanders faces that, and does it better.
Hillary IS what Trump leads his followers against. To say she could beat him is to be as tone deaf as she is. She incites the wild feelings that Trump rides.
And if someone could beat Trump, forbid that it be Cruz. He's actually worse.
There is only one way to beat Trump now. That is to understand his appeal and do it better. Only Sanders gets it, what is making Americans so upset.
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Sadly, the tone deafness afflicts the DNC and MSM, caused by their refusal to leave their echo chamber. But eventually the tumult of disaffected and ignored America voices will overcome their ideological impairment.
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Trump loses to Clinton in every poll. A new poll by Monmouth just today said that Trump would lose to Clinton in Ohio in a 60/40 split.
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"She incites the wild feelings that Trump rides".
Wow. This just sounds completely bizarre to me.
Wow. This just sounds completely bizarre to me.
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Bernie is right correct, the middle class has been gutted, it is absurd that we cannot provide universal healthcare to our people, and we are shipping white and blue collar jobs out of the country as fast as we can. When we finish shipping all of our jobs out of the country, who will pay taxes? And, without taxes, who will educate our children? We are a nation in decline. America cannot compete with slave-labor wages in countries that provide no health care, no equality for women, and manufacture without pollution controls. Godspeed to you Bernie in your journey to the Democratic nomination.
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Instead of returning quickly to her wounded husband, she has to make her fame
and very stupidly make remarks in favor of Donald Trump. She is just another
gold digger and you really have to wonder about that marriage.
and very stupidly make remarks in favor of Donald Trump. She is just another
gold digger and you really have to wonder about that marriage.
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Secretary Clinton is the most qualified candidate running from either party. Her command of the issues is formidable and her solutions to problems are far more comprehensive.
Some folks have the misguided notion that national polls are proof that Sanders would do better in a match up against the likely Republican nominee. That is very uniformed and naive.
First of all, elections are not determined by the popular vote, as Al Gore recently reminded us. They are determined by purple state demographics.
Bernie wins in white states, but he does not do well in diverse states that better represent the composition of the country.
Further, Republicans have spent 25 years targeting Hillary Clinton. She has been vetted and she is still the front runner, having earned more votes in the primary than any other candidate of either party by over 500k votes.
Also, if Republicans spent hundreds of millions to dismantle Sanders, the polls would look very different.
Finally, Sanders made the tactical blunder of unilaterally disarming in the political arms race. It is far wiser to use the existing system to get elected to be able to appoint the jurists who will ultimately level the playing field.
President Obama raised more money than the Republicans, was elected, and made essential progress in a number of areas while preventing further GOP regress.
Sanders tells college kids about a political revolution, despite his 25-years in Washington with little to show to match the rhetoric.
Some folks have the misguided notion that national polls are proof that Sanders would do better in a match up against the likely Republican nominee. That is very uniformed and naive.
First of all, elections are not determined by the popular vote, as Al Gore recently reminded us. They are determined by purple state demographics.
Bernie wins in white states, but he does not do well in diverse states that better represent the composition of the country.
Further, Republicans have spent 25 years targeting Hillary Clinton. She has been vetted and she is still the front runner, having earned more votes in the primary than any other candidate of either party by over 500k votes.
Also, if Republicans spent hundreds of millions to dismantle Sanders, the polls would look very different.
Finally, Sanders made the tactical blunder of unilaterally disarming in the political arms race. It is far wiser to use the existing system to get elected to be able to appoint the jurists who will ultimately level the playing field.
President Obama raised more money than the Republicans, was elected, and made essential progress in a number of areas while preventing further GOP regress.
Sanders tells college kids about a political revolution, despite his 25-years in Washington with little to show to match the rhetoric.
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"Bernie wins in white states, but he does not do well in diverse states that better represent the composition of the country."
What do you call Michigan?
And who do you think all those Hillary voters will vote for if its between Sanders and ANY Republican, especially Trump?
What do you call Michigan?
And who do you think all those Hillary voters will vote for if its between Sanders and ANY Republican, especially Trump?
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OK, let's face it. The GOP, the DNC and the Champagne Class have gutted America. Trump has his name on a bunch of buildings and has had real world success (unlike our current real world politicians) and you want to vote for more failure.
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Trump has been successful by doing to American workers and taxpayers what he's shouting about. Electing him would be like the chickens electing the fox to be their gate keeper.
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Home runs aren't winning when you were born on 3rd base. Trump never worked in his life.
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Mickey Mouse has name on a lot of buildings, too.
But I wouldn't vote for him as president.
But I wouldn't vote for him as president.
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Surprisingly, a lot of people are here for socialist Bernie "white people don't know what it's like to be poor" Sanders. These are the same people ashamed to be white and ashamed of their so-called "privilege," which as a white man, I have never reaped the benefits of. If anyone expects me to apologize for working longer and harder than my peers, than it is you that must look into your own self failures and seek a plan.
Bernie ain't it.
Bernie ain't it.
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"2 Front-Runners, Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton, Find Their Words Can Be Weapons"
What? What did I miss on the Clinton front?
We all know that Trump is running his campaign in a very aggressive and pugilistic way. He is happy to egg on his supporters, and has told them to..."take that guy out" he has also said "I'd like to punch that guy in the face"...and he constantly asks his supporters to "take those guys down." What does that mean for the rest of us who are against Trump and are also against violence? Even if he is NOT the presidential nominee, how can we deal with the people who have LOVED and VOTED for Trump? They will surely feel disenfranchised. WHAT THEN???
What? What did I miss on the Clinton front?
We all know that Trump is running his campaign in a very aggressive and pugilistic way. He is happy to egg on his supporters, and has told them to..."take that guy out" he has also said "I'd like to punch that guy in the face"...and he constantly asks his supporters to "take those guys down." What does that mean for the rest of us who are against Trump and are also against violence? Even if he is NOT the presidential nominee, how can we deal with the people who have LOVED and VOTED for Trump? They will surely feel disenfranchised. WHAT THEN???
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Trump voters will feel aggrieved no matter what. That's Donald's whole shtick, assuring them he will right all their wrongs. I doubt many of them truly believe that if pressed.
If Trump gets the nomination he will split the party and lose badly in November. If they steal it from him, his supporters will split the party. There is no happy ending for Trump voters.
If Trump gets the nomination he will split the party and lose badly in November. If they steal it from him, his supporters will split the party. There is no happy ending for Trump voters.
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They already feel disenfranchised. That is unfortunate and important for future policy, but the anger of a minority subgroup is not going to harm the country. Anger just piles up and has nowhere to go. That's life.
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Maybe they'll go back in their local bars, or settle into lounge chairs in front of the boob tube (with Fox on) with a six-pack and some buddies, and be happy trash-talking among themselves.
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As she said two debates ago, Hillary is not a "natural politician." Her baubles on Nancy Reagan and the coal miners are two examples of her occasional tone deafness. I say this having loved her as a public figure for more than two decades. The "tarnish" that supposedly surrounds her candidacy seems generated from outside, just as it always has since FOX News began its operations twenty years ago, a month before her husband's second presidential election. Other than Obama, no one on the left has been so vilified by them, as has Mrs. Clinton. Now, this is something separate from her own mistakes- there are issues with the foundation, with her ties to Wall Street, with the vote for the Iraqi war, etc- but all these things are perceived in the light of that vilification. But the generation that is rejecting her does not have the benefit of seeing the history of that detraction, which would give them some perspective about Mrs. Clinton's real character and motives. In light of what we know about FOX News, the idea of her "untrustworthiness" feels like a narrative meme for lazy journalists, ("the bullets on the tarmac") just like Al Gore's supposedly "inventing" the internet, a particularly pernicious "meme."
I apologize to her detractors for not caring about these things. I watched her on television being grilled for 11 hours on Benghazi. The only word to describe her then was "presidential."
It was more inspiring than the Watergate hearings. (Which were riveting, btw)
I apologize to her detractors for not caring about these things. I watched her on television being grilled for 11 hours on Benghazi. The only word to describe her then was "presidential."
It was more inspiring than the Watergate hearings. (Which were riveting, btw)
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Her real character and motives? You mean getting rich at the expense of the people while backing Wall Street, perpetual wars, free trade, fracking etc? Those motives and character? Oh yeah, real presidential.
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DC
Is your letter a cut and paste, because it sounds like all the other comments here.
Is your letter a cut and paste, because it sounds like all the other comments here.
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As a Bernie supporter, I agree that Clinton was impressive during the Benghazi grilling. But that is not in itself a qualification for being United States president.
But she also distorts and lies, and I'm not talking about Republican smears and Fox news. Such ethical lapses are not mere tone deafness. Read NYRB, LRB, The Nation--there are enough left-wing critiques with documented facts; some of them have been listed and cited by many commenters, with links, over the past few months. By the way, there are many generations rejecting her; I'm 60, and I voted for Bill Clinton & Barack Obama twice.
But she also distorts and lies, and I'm not talking about Republican smears and Fox news. Such ethical lapses are not mere tone deafness. Read NYRB, LRB, The Nation--there are enough left-wing critiques with documented facts; some of them have been listed and cited by many commenters, with links, over the past few months. By the way, there are many generations rejecting her; I'm 60, and I voted for Bill Clinton & Barack Obama twice.
Trump is going to get me killed, Sanders is going to get me fired. I am voting for Hillary this election. She is my best hope to keep a job that pays the mortgage and puts food on the table.
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You think free trade advocates like Hillary put food ON the table?
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Hillary promised 20,000 jobs for the northern part of New York when she was Senator and failed to deliver.
Tell me, was she concerned about the middle class when she served on the board of Wal Mart from 1987-1992? Show me where she advocated for women's rights or increased wages. I can' t find anything.
Can you tell me how she is so sensitive to the middle class when she refused to lower her speaking fee at UNLV after finding out that students had 4 years straight of tuition increases?
Does it bother you that Clinton has flipped flopped on so many issues? Crime legislation, gay marriage, Iraq, trade legislation and immigration?
Hillary cares about Hillary. if that were not the case why is it that Hillary and Bill, ,when they donated $3 millon to charity they donated to the Clinton Foundation? They gave money to themselves and got the deducition
Finally, why is it that they refuse to allow an outside audit of the Foundation? What do they have to hide? And now the FBI is investigating it for public corruption,
Hillary won't do anything after he receives an indictment
Tell me, was she concerned about the middle class when she served on the board of Wal Mart from 1987-1992? Show me where she advocated for women's rights or increased wages. I can' t find anything.
Can you tell me how she is so sensitive to the middle class when she refused to lower her speaking fee at UNLV after finding out that students had 4 years straight of tuition increases?
Does it bother you that Clinton has flipped flopped on so many issues? Crime legislation, gay marriage, Iraq, trade legislation and immigration?
Hillary cares about Hillary. if that were not the case why is it that Hillary and Bill, ,when they donated $3 millon to charity they donated to the Clinton Foundation? They gave money to themselves and got the deducition
Finally, why is it that they refuse to allow an outside audit of the Foundation? What do they have to hide? And now the FBI is investigating it for public corruption,
Hillary won't do anything after he receives an indictment
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Bernie was FOR the auto bailout bill, until he was against it.
Get it?
Get it?
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I have visited Sanders website on occasion and see a laundry list of his positions I agree with in theory - I was a social worker in the 80s and believe that most all of the ideas and visions he espouses reflect the way I felt then and for the most part can support now - but Hillary still has my vote - there have always been sincere people who support ideas and policies that would make a better America for the less fortunate - and we´ve just seen one of the sincerest presidents ever get blindsided and stonewalled at ever turn - there is no lack of Bernies in this country and in the world - but reality dictates that we elect politicians that can navigate the reality that is Washington and the Republican Party - Hillary is that person
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No lack of Bernies? What does that mean? Hillary can navigate the reality? You mean the reality of big business and the banks who paid her millions to advise them and who own our government? That reality? Oh yeah, she'll navigate that alright, just like she navigated into millions of dollars to sell out even the pretense of representing the common good.
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There is no-one the GOP loathes more than Hillary - no-one. It doesn't matter whether or not you think that's fair or justified. They will block her at every turn - she will be able to "navigate" precisely nowhere.
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Tom in Mexico - Hoe exactly is Hillary better suited to navigate Washington to get things done more effectively than anyone else? The recounts weren't completed on Obama's first term when Rush Limbaugh became the strategic head of the Republican Party announcing they would block anything he tried to do, no matter what? As he was winning his second term, Rush hadn't even seen half the polls close and again, the call to deny any forward progress even if the Republicans said it first. Hillary has higher negatives with Republicans maybe than Obama, and a long history of being a target. A favorite target. She has no magic bullets. If she wins the nomination and gets elected, we may be better off than a Trump debacle, or a Cruz theocracy, but there will still be a Congress with a 15% approval rating that accomplishes little.
Watching the pander-fest of candidates trying to lather up social groups is truly repellent.
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The only way for Sanders to become the nominee is for Clinton to be indicted on Federal charges (unlikely). Otherwise, if she takes a large percentage of votes in Florida and North Carolina and just breaks even, a little down, or a little up in Ohio, Illinois, and Missouri, she’ll get the lion’s share of delegates, just as she already has the lion’s share of the popular vote (so much for petitions to award superdelegates proportionally—those died right quick). Democrats award delegates in primaries proportionally. So it’s not about “winning” this state or that.
Sanders’ supporters have as little grasp on practical reality as their candidate. To dream the impossible dream is a grand thing, but it doesn’t get anything done. And lofty rhetoric or empty promises just sound hollow. Feel that “Bern.”
Sanders’ supporters have as little grasp on practical reality as their candidate. To dream the impossible dream is a grand thing, but it doesn’t get anything done. And lofty rhetoric or empty promises just sound hollow. Feel that “Bern.”
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Hillary, if you manage to lose Ohio, Florida, OR Illinois, it's gonna go badly for you after that. If Sanders wins, Trump will wipe the floor up with him. PLEASE don't blow this.
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It's up to you to vote for her.
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Hillary is establishment and a neocon and out of touch and the past; Trump is not. His supposed misogyny and racism are edited out of context. People and media viciously attack him non stop, and when he defends himself, he is a bad guy. We want him to act like Jesus Christ and welcome all the stones and tomatoes and lies and insults hurled at him.
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Bernie Sanders promises free everything for everyone while closing the big banks, petrochemical energy, pharmaceutical and insurance companies makes total sense since there will be a lot of unemployed who won't be able to afford anything. Meanwhile, Trump promises something very special for everyone that all Americans will love...details and specifics to follow once elected. This election cycle feels like one long extended full moon cycle of crazy
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Get your facts straight, Jeff. You're paying for everything Bernie talks about now, and getting nothing for it. Boeing and GE and Halliburton and many more pay no taxes, even get refunds! The Pentagon loses trillions. Big business stashes trillions offshore. Hundreds of billions in tax breaks for the wealthy. Hundreds of billions in subsidies for fossil fuel companies. You're already paying, Jeff! At least Sanders will try and get you some recompense for all your tax dollars now going to Hillary's friends.
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If Hillary loses to Trump you Democrats can blame yourself. You had a great middle-of-the-road, popular candidate in the form of Joe Biden and you allowed Hillary to manipulate him out of the race. Now your left with Hillary, a flawed candidate, and Bernie, who you might love, but has views which - in brief moments of sobriety - you might be willing to admit are too extreme for many other voters - you know the ones other than you you you you. And don't give me the babble about Biden not getting in the race because of the tragedy of his son. I know what he said. He's not deaf. There was zero support from anyone in the establishment to go up against Hillary and it was as obvious as day. By giving in to Hillary's manipulations you have helped pave the way for Trump. Why do you allow her to get away with this stuff?
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At this point maybe your observations would be more helpful to the GOP- they are the ones self-immolating at the moment.
Biden decided not to run if reality has anything to do with it.
Biden decided not to run if reality has anything to do with it.
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Every comment is anti-Hillary. The point she was making is exactly the same point that Bernie made. We're already hemorragging coal jobs, and the rest will be gone soon, as we transition to a green economy. To take a point in which she was pledging to replace those jobs, and spin it into a statement against coal workers, is dishonest beyond words. But then, you can't really expect anything else from Bernie fans.
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We need to shut down the dam coal industry and build solar and wind power plants. Every home should be run from solar, with a battery attached and connected to the grid. We need to train American's to make and install all this equipment. All this should be paid for by the government. This would make us the most energy secure nation in the world. I have had solar for 7 years and have not had one bill since I installed it.
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Hillary claiming Bernie opposed the auto bailout and that he'd destroy Obamacare is 'dishonest beyond words.'
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What she said was that Bernie voted against the auto bailout when the money for the bailout was actually voted on. A symbolic vote for the stand alone bill did not get the money for the auto industry and its workers. If the Bernie folks cannot accept that decision he made, which seems consistent with a political purity and failure to compromise, they (and he) are ducking responsibility. He could say that he made a decision not to support it because he would not compromise on bailout funds for the country's financial system, but instead he acts as if it is a lie. It is a fact, and I would respect him more if he owned up to his vote.
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Well I am a proud supporter of Hillary Clinton--not because I dislike Bernie or think his positions are bad for America, but because I think we could use someone who is proposing workable solutions to our problems and not selling pie-in-the-sky. I think Hillary has flaws, but so does Bernie. Call me cynical, but I don't think idealism is enough--you have to be willing to work with people you don't agree with and accept compromises, and I don't see that Bernie is able to do that.
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This pseudo-sophistication about Hillary's being able to play the game just means she adheres to the status quo. What she's actually gotten done, if you look, is the destruction of Libya; important support for the TPP (before she was against it); Wal-mart union-busting (when she was on their board of directors); etc. There's nothing especially good about her judgment or her experience.
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I see how you could think that but if you look at his governing record and governing style in Vermont, he is actually a pragmatist that gets things done.
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Read the other article about Bernie today in the NY Times. It specifically talks about how the worked with Republicans to get legislation passed that benefited community health clinics, veterans, and others.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-amendments....
I don't mind people supporting Hilary Clinton but to do so while not understanding what Bernie has done during his time in Congress is to be as low-information a voter as Democrats often accuse Republican voters of being. If you're just intellectually lazy and want to go by buzzwords and slogans, that's fine too but at least be honest about it.
On another note, what has Hilary done, legislative wise, for NY State or the country during her time in Congress? I heard some noises about re-naming a post office but not much else. Clinton supporters often bring up her skill and experience but don't offer concrete examples.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/15/us/politics/bernie-sanders-amendments....
I don't mind people supporting Hilary Clinton but to do so while not understanding what Bernie has done during his time in Congress is to be as low-information a voter as Democrats often accuse Republican voters of being. If you're just intellectually lazy and want to go by buzzwords and slogans, that's fine too but at least be honest about it.
On another note, what has Hilary done, legislative wise, for NY State or the country during her time in Congress? I heard some noises about re-naming a post office but not much else. Clinton supporters often bring up her skill and experience but don't offer concrete examples.
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If the American electorate goes as far as to not only to provide Trump with the required delegates to secure the nomination, but also to put him in the White House, then I can only say that those people will get what the deserve: domestic and international instability.
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Interesting. But not only the nameless "those people" will suffer - all of us will.
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Mr. Sanders problem with African American voters is more and more troubling. And it's pointed out here that he chooses to campaign in overwhelmingly white towns in Ohio in order to play to his white base. How can he win a general election with a low turnout among African Americans who would be essential to win swing states such as Ohio? It was the African American vote in Cleveland that put Ohio in the win column for Obama in 2008 and 2012. Shouldn't Sanders be going into black communities to forge relationships and to try and earn votes?
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If the GOP nominates Trump, Sanders will have plenty of time to rally minority voters who are denigrated and threatened by Trump.
One thing we all seem to forget is that the primaries play to the energized and more radical wings of both parties, but the middle, including many independent voters who don't vote in primaries, will determine who wins in November.
One thing we all seem to forget is that the primaries play to the energized and more radical wings of both parties, but the middle, including many independent voters who don't vote in primaries, will determine who wins in November.
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Yes I get it Doug. So then we can assume that Clinton will win over Bernie's white progressives who will surely not vote for Trump either. Thanks you actually just proved my point in my post and how ridiculous it is to try and project how people will vote in the general based on primary results.
African Americans are 12% of the population and while important, are not going to provide the margin for victory. How bad do you want to be pandered to?
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Kasich chills me more than cruz or trump, even though he hasn’t won a single state’s primary or caucus. He's an insidious authoritarian/patriarch who presents as completely benevolent. He sees himself w/a divine purpose so to rationalize his underhanded financial shell games to privatize & pollute the state for the 1%. Romney is Kasich’s doppelganger and Kasich is patiently waiting for a payback tour for his decades in the republican party —a VP nod at a minimum. If it's not Trump & Kasich in July, it’ll be Romney & Kasich. I hope I’m completely wrong.
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The republican's created this Frankenstein in 2009 when Mitch McConnell said: “there are enough of us to block the Democratic agenda-as long as they all marched in lockstep.” “As long as Republicans refused to follow his (President Obama’s) lead, Americans would see partisan food fights and conclude that Obama had failed to produce change.”
Then in a meeting following that:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan(R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich
All pledged to block any and all actions of the new "Black" president Barack Obama.
This set the stage for today's outrage over present government leadership. Donald Drumpf and Bernie Sanders are both products of this intentional destruction of this country. They represent the most angry and most concerned sides of the same coin. The GOP’s use of mass psychological tools and mass media last seen by Joseph Goebells, has driven this country into a fearful frenzy of mob like activity. Even if Drumpf doesn’t win the presidency, as Biden has said, this had brought this country’s racism and bigotry out of the closet…unfortunately in a very uncontrolled, loose on society kind of way.
Then in a meeting following that:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan(R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich
All pledged to block any and all actions of the new "Black" president Barack Obama.
This set the stage for today's outrage over present government leadership. Donald Drumpf and Bernie Sanders are both products of this intentional destruction of this country. They represent the most angry and most concerned sides of the same coin. The GOP’s use of mass psychological tools and mass media last seen by Joseph Goebells, has driven this country into a fearful frenzy of mob like activity. Even if Drumpf doesn’t win the presidency, as Biden has said, this had brought this country’s racism and bigotry out of the closet…unfortunately in a very uncontrolled, loose on society kind of way.
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I'm interested to see how John Kasich, who seems kind of scary to me - but scary in that real nice, down-home way! - does in Ohio. Like Senator Rubio, if his own state doesn't carry him in voting, then Gov. Kasich is pretty much gone, though he seems stubborn enough to stick it out for a while, sensing that a group of Republicans may see him as Obi-Wan, their only hope against Mr. Trump (and Sen. Cruz).
I believe I read on NYT First Draft recently that Gov. Kasich told a crowd something like where he's from, people don't go for VP - they go for the top. I think he might have to rethink that, and maybe go back to Ohio and take care of his own house. I read that after Gov. Kasich defunded Planned Parenthood a few weeks ago, the PP center in Columbus was vandalized a week ago and defaced with the words "Satan Den of Babykillers God See Allll (sic) Mark 9:14".
Thanks, Kasich!
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/03/07/Planned-Parenth...
I believe I read on NYT First Draft recently that Gov. Kasich told a crowd something like where he's from, people don't go for VP - they go for the top. I think he might have to rethink that, and maybe go back to Ohio and take care of his own house. I read that after Gov. Kasich defunded Planned Parenthood a few weeks ago, the PP center in Columbus was vandalized a week ago and defaced with the words "Satan Den of Babykillers God See Allll (sic) Mark 9:14".
Thanks, Kasich!
http://www.dispatch.com/content/stories/local/2016/03/07/Planned-Parenth...
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Yeah but Kasick is arm and arm with the vulture capitalist Mitt Romney. That means Kasick is a sellout!
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Elections: Doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results.
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The Republican race has turned into high stakes Whack-a-mole. Knock out the bombastic Trump and up pops the creepy Cruz. take out Cruz and the vacuous Marco comes up grinning, waving his hand, "pick me, pick me."
You can't win. because even if the last man standing is Kasich, who at least appears sane and notionally qualified, he's still a very right wing candidate who only appears "moderate" in comparison to his fellow moles. Honestly is they all popped up at once it would be hard to know which to whack first.
You can't win. because even if the last man standing is Kasich, who at least appears sane and notionally qualified, he's still a very right wing candidate who only appears "moderate" in comparison to his fellow moles. Honestly is they all popped up at once it would be hard to know which to whack first.
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I'm not at all disturbed at Clinton's remarks about shutting down the coal industry. Let's remember all those decades of news stories about sulphur laden pollution raining down on the nation from power plants dsetroying entire forests and lakes with sulphuric acid rain, or the emmited mercury being absorbed by fish we eat.
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I don't think any Bernie supporters have a problem with shutting down the coal industry; it's just the way she said it. Meanwhile her admirable desire to reduce coal emissions and (presumably) create better jobs for coal miners doesn't jibe well with her stance on fracking.
Hillary Clinton is absolutely "at odds" with anyone in the country who has no choice but to work for a living. She is the distilled, pure liquid essence of corrupt government by special interest lobbies, big banks, and scheming oligarchs.
Anyone who has a shred of sense will vote against her, somehow.
Anyone who has a shred of sense will vote against her, somehow.
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Good grief. This election has become a nest of political fundamentalism. It is really awful.
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I work and I'm for Hillary, so you assume too much.
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This said very little about Clinton's problem with the white working class, despite that being in the intro paragraph.
It isn't Clinton. It is the Democratic Party. Listen to Gwen Ifill's question at the PBS debate (link below) and continue listening through the next question(s) about illegal immigrants. Pay attention to the passion of both of the candidates and of the audience. Listen for the length of response. It is a vivid display of why so many -- including Democrats/anti-Republicans -- say that the Democratic Party establishment/elite cares more for illegal immigrants than for American citizens (if it cares about the latter at all).
As you read articles in the liberal press, notice that "white" is routinely used as a pejorative and that many reporters and opinion authors go out of their way to include disparaging comments about whites in their articles. For the Democratic Party elite, a white male who is now working low-wage part-time jobs because his employer moved the factory out of the US is a beneficiary of "white privilege" where as a grad student at U Missouri who comes from a family with a multi-million dollar income (upper 0.1%, possibly 0.01%) is a marginalized person, weighed down by institutional, systemic racism.
It is understandable for whites to be considering if Trump's racism is less odious than that of the Democratic Party.
PBS debate, queue to the question mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o56pLqPYcEo&feature=youtu.be&t=2507
It isn't Clinton. It is the Democratic Party. Listen to Gwen Ifill's question at the PBS debate (link below) and continue listening through the next question(s) about illegal immigrants. Pay attention to the passion of both of the candidates and of the audience. Listen for the length of response. It is a vivid display of why so many -- including Democrats/anti-Republicans -- say that the Democratic Party establishment/elite cares more for illegal immigrants than for American citizens (if it cares about the latter at all).
As you read articles in the liberal press, notice that "white" is routinely used as a pejorative and that many reporters and opinion authors go out of their way to include disparaging comments about whites in their articles. For the Democratic Party elite, a white male who is now working low-wage part-time jobs because his employer moved the factory out of the US is a beneficiary of "white privilege" where as a grad student at U Missouri who comes from a family with a multi-million dollar income (upper 0.1%, possibly 0.01%) is a marginalized person, weighed down by institutional, systemic racism.
It is understandable for whites to be considering if Trump's racism is less odious than that of the Democratic Party.
PBS debate, queue to the question mentioned:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o56pLqPYcEo&feature=youtu.be&t=2507
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Better the devil you know than the one you don't.
Donald Trump has put it all out there - using his own money to do so. There are no surprises. He's tangled with, among others, President Obama, the Pope, Hilary Clinton, Mitt Romney, the Republican establishment, Fox News, Angela Merkel, and the President of Mexico.
Trump's side of these disputes has been clearly stated; he hasn't pulled any punches.
Conspicuously absent from anti-Trump commentary is the name of the person whom Republicans should chose instead of him. Or, we're led to believe that John Kasich - with a grinning Mitt Romney behind him, 60% of Republican voters in his own state of Ohio rejecting him, and not having won one state in this Primary contest - is the man to lead the free world.
Likely not going to happen and when Kasich and Rubio suspend their campaigns, we're left with Trump or Cruze and that old expression about the devil you know.
Donald Trump has put it all out there - using his own money to do so. There are no surprises. He's tangled with, among others, President Obama, the Pope, Hilary Clinton, Mitt Romney, the Republican establishment, Fox News, Angela Merkel, and the President of Mexico.
Trump's side of these disputes has been clearly stated; he hasn't pulled any punches.
Conspicuously absent from anti-Trump commentary is the name of the person whom Republicans should chose instead of him. Or, we're led to believe that John Kasich - with a grinning Mitt Romney behind him, 60% of Republican voters in his own state of Ohio rejecting him, and not having won one state in this Primary contest - is the man to lead the free world.
Likely not going to happen and when Kasich and Rubio suspend their campaigns, we're left with Trump or Cruze and that old expression about the devil you know.
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Cruz has been consistent, Trump has repeatedly reversed himself and lied. Arguably, we all know that Cruz is an extreme right wing Republican who opposes rights for gay Americans and women. His extremism is extremely reliable. Truly a devil we know...
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No surprises, no punches. So with Donald as President there will be a wall at Mexico's expense. Are you willing to bet the homestead on that?
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This is the United States of America. It is not the United Federation of Republicans. This country's people have the right to vote. This is a country "for the people, by the people" but when the republicans deny the rights of millions of this country's people, they for all intent have denied the core of our United States. The republicans don't want a United States of America...they want control. What it will be called if or after they take control...well, probably something like the US-SR.
Go to YouTube and Watch:
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Voting (HBO)
and
Google:
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, Suppressing the Vote
See how the republicans stop millions of this country's people from voting...and arrogantly admit it.
If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.
The Federalist No. 51: The Structure of the Government Must Furnish the Proper Checks and Balances Between the Different Departments
Independent Journal Wednesday, February 6, 1788
[James Madison]
Go to YouTube and Watch:
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Voting (HBO)
and
Google:
The Daily Show with Jon Stewart, Suppressing the Vote
See how the republicans stop millions of this country's people from voting...and arrogantly admit it.
If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary. In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions.
The Federalist No. 51: The Structure of the Government Must Furnish the Proper Checks and Balances Between the Different Departments
Independent Journal Wednesday, February 6, 1788
[James Madison]
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Mrs. Clinton, who has struggled to connect to white working-class voters in the pivotal Midwestern states, faced intense criticism over comments she made in Columbus, Ohio, on Sunday. “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” she said, in explaining her plan to create clean energy jobs.
Yes folks, you walk into the "Rust Belt", to Coal mining country, or just about 2100 miles form it, and say that. Ms. Clinton just stick her silver foot in her mouth again. West Virginia, northeast Kentucky southeast Pennsylvania, and southeast Ohio; coal country is hurting and she says the above. If that is not out of touch with the working class, I do not know what is.
I wonder if she is brave enough to go to where she grew up, the Scranton area, and say that.
I guess she will go to Youngstown next and say well, we do not need steel jobs, because we get it all from overseas.
Oh, that's right, thanks to free trade most of the steel mills are gone, the auto industry is a shadow of its former self and most of the coal mines have closed.
I suggest she visit Springfield, Ohio. A town that used to be well over 180,000 people; home of International Harvester. Today, it is less than 80,000 and there is no International Harvester. Or, how about Dayton, former home of NCR?
Yes, folks Ms. Clinton knows Ohio. As an ex-Ohioan, I hope she get trounced tomorrow.
Yes folks, you walk into the "Rust Belt", to Coal mining country, or just about 2100 miles form it, and say that. Ms. Clinton just stick her silver foot in her mouth again. West Virginia, northeast Kentucky southeast Pennsylvania, and southeast Ohio; coal country is hurting and she says the above. If that is not out of touch with the working class, I do not know what is.
I wonder if she is brave enough to go to where she grew up, the Scranton area, and say that.
I guess she will go to Youngstown next and say well, we do not need steel jobs, because we get it all from overseas.
Oh, that's right, thanks to free trade most of the steel mills are gone, the auto industry is a shadow of its former self and most of the coal mines have closed.
I suggest she visit Springfield, Ohio. A town that used to be well over 180,000 people; home of International Harvester. Today, it is less than 80,000 and there is no International Harvester. Or, how about Dayton, former home of NCR?
Yes, folks Ms. Clinton knows Ohio. As an ex-Ohioan, I hope she get trounced tomorrow.
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A full quote would show she advocates giving those coal miners retraining and a better job.
Sorry, but the Climate Change is killing the planet. It requires tough truth and hard decisions, not pandering.
If the GOP wasn't so focused on doing the bidding of the Koch brothers by denying climate change and letting future generations of Americans fend for themselves, companies would stop running 19th century businesses and start running 21st century businesses focused on clean and renewable energy, water reclamation and conservation, and sustainability amongst others.
Sorry, but the Climate Change is killing the planet. It requires tough truth and hard decisions, not pandering.
If the GOP wasn't so focused on doing the bidding of the Koch brothers by denying climate change and letting future generations of Americans fend for themselves, companies would stop running 19th century businesses and start running 21st century businesses focused on clean and renewable energy, water reclamation and conservation, and sustainability amongst others.
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But then, coal produces an enormous amount of greenhouse gas, and were it not a protected industry would be fading even more rapidly, to the benefit of all. Perhaps it is time for us to consider how to retrain and redirect coal miners to 21st century jobs?
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So true. Did noone in her factory know that coal fueled 67% of Ohio's net electricity generation in 2014? I guess they only looked at the Total Carbon Dioxide Emissions, 2013, w/Ohio Ranking 5th highest at 229 million metric tons.
http://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=OH
http://www.eia.gov/state/?sid=OH
We here in NC have already had a record early voting turnout at 8%. And for a primary. Hold on to your hats folks, it's going to be a rough ride for establishment candidates from the chatter I'm hearing. Clinton may poll well pre-election day, but I can guarantee there will plenty of surprises by the end of Tuesday evening. #NotForSale.
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North Carolina is all about voter suppression, their new laws are being challenged in court right now. A 94 year black old woman had to go to seven different state offices to get her newly mandated voter ID. You people should be ashamed.
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The longer this goes, the more is revealed about Mr. Trump and Mrs. Clinton, and the more people are turning away from them. The American people are tired of being lied to by politicians who will say anything to get elected, and then turn around and to the bidding of the plutocracy. Trump shouts and postures trying to convince everyone that he's not the product of that elite ruling cabal, while Hillary twists and spins her words artfully to try to do the same, but the people can see their falseness when held up to the authenticity of Sanders.
Yes, HIllary and Trump's words are weapons, but they don't know which end of the weapon to point.
Yes, HIllary and Trump's words are weapons, but they don't know which end of the weapon to point.
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You would think. At least in the case of Mr. Trump, the more wrong he does, the more he wins. The republican voters donot seem to care about facts. Trump is offering his voter-base an explanation for their suffering: Immigrants. It is clear that his voters only want that and do not care for anything else. I really hope that god blesses the USA.
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AS I said, the longer this goes, the more Trump's (and Hillary's) true colors are revealed. Yes, his hard core supporters will gain even more resolve, but those on the fence are now seeing good reasons to avoid him (and her).
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The problems many have with Hillary's words is that they change from day to day, depending on whom she is addressing. She denies things she has spoken in the past and positions she has taken. More importantly, her words often belie her documented former actions. She refused to release transcripts of her solid gold $250,000 Goldman words.
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Where the devil did we get these losers? Where are the Kennedys, yea even the Regans of yesteryear?
Talk about weak conficted/conflicting contenders.
No matter who of this sorry bunch we get, the Republic is in deep trouble.
How very, very sad.
Naf 76 NavyVet
Talk about weak conficted/conflicting contenders.
No matter who of this sorry bunch we get, the Republic is in deep trouble.
How very, very sad.
Naf 76 NavyVet
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I think you meant where are the Reagan's. Ronald Reagan was the beginning of the slide toward income inequality that had its only reprieve during the Clinton administration, and then plummeted again with George W Bush, and has not recovered under Barack Obama. His failure to address the AIDS crisis and his destruction of unions and his wars in Central America are sad reminders of the damage a reckless, corporate President can do. We do not want one of them again.
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We agree, but at least there was spark, a touch of intelligence. and some maintain he managed to outspend the USSR to the point where they collapsed. naf
This years election in America is very significant for the world as well. With Europe teethering towards right, militarism shown by Russia and defiance by North Korea, and the continued rise of ISIS in the middle-east one cannot afford a crazy-man any republican at the helm, especially not Mr. Trump. The world still needs American leadership and a strong experienced and sane leader would be a good start.
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It's very hard to see how Clinton can be credible with voters of modest means. After all, the Clintons were the first to cash in the Presidency to attain plutocratic wealth (9-figure fortune). Although many Congresspersons, their aides, generals, and others in government have done similar things, Bill and Hillary are the first to do it with the Presidency (contrast Carter, the Bushes, Reagan, and everyone back to Washington). Politics should not be so profitable in general, but profiting from the Presidency to the tune of 100s of millions? I think voters of modes means may prefer to cast their votes for someone who came by his mega-wealth in the private sector.
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Drumpf came by his megawealth by getting it gifted to him by his father.
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hillary is running scared.
as the article mentions, how dare she assume she is the democratic nomination for president.
i remember 2008, and she would not leave, and finally did kicking and screaming.
keep bernie in the race, at least she can SOUND progressive while he is there.
i am a 65 year old white woman feminist for BERNIE.
as the article mentions, how dare she assume she is the democratic nomination for president.
i remember 2008, and she would not leave, and finally did kicking and screaming.
keep bernie in the race, at least she can SOUND progressive while he is there.
i am a 65 year old white woman feminist for BERNIE.
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Dear Marie Bernadette,
We elderly feminists of the 60s with a conscience will prevail. I joined Radical Women at the age of 15, and now at 62 will vote for the one true feminist in this race - Bernie!
We elderly feminists of the 60s with a conscience will prevail. I joined Radical Women at the age of 15, and now at 62 will vote for the one true feminist in this race - Bernie!
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And I'm an almost 60 y.o. white woman feminist and mother for Mr. Sanders!
I listened to Bernie at a rally not long ago, and it was 'yugely' evident that Bernie puts all his heart, experience, energy and integrity to the very best interests of our children and grandchildren; and to benefit generations to come.
Think of the great things he will accomplish with leaders such as Trudeau and Pope Francis to combat climate change. And that's just one of his positive agendas.
Very Best Wishes on Tuesday, Mr. Sanders!!!!
I listened to Bernie at a rally not long ago, and it was 'yugely' evident that Bernie puts all his heart, experience, energy and integrity to the very best interests of our children and grandchildren; and to benefit generations to come.
Think of the great things he will accomplish with leaders such as Trudeau and Pope Francis to combat climate change. And that's just one of his positive agendas.
Very Best Wishes on Tuesday, Mr. Sanders!!!!
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It's unfair to say that Hillary "would not leave." Neither Obama nor Hillary had enough delegates to win the election outright until June, at which time Obama had enough pledged superdelegates to take him over the top. And I suspect it will be similar this year.
We know that words have meaning and it is unfair to write this headline showing any similarity in words spoken by Hillary Clinton to those of Donald Trump.
While Secretary Clinton sometimes misspeaks, she apologizes for any hubris almost always seen a such a brutally draining campaign.
What is disturbing here is that most of the NYT comments decry her oratory while giving a pass to Trump. That's outrageous.
While Secretary Clinton sometimes misspeaks, she apologizes for any hubris almost always seen a such a brutally draining campaign.
What is disturbing here is that most of the NYT comments decry her oratory while giving a pass to Trump. That's outrageous.
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Still haven't heard the apology about Iraq, anti-union policy at Walmart, 3-strikes, Doma (her support for it on the hill), Libya, Patriot act, $300k/hr wall street speeches, Clinton foundation improprities, dubious cattle futures trades, or a convenient freedom of information act evading server wipe. No, I'm not a crazy right wing conspiracy theorist. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, then it is probably...
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Trump isn't getting a pass, he's so unacceptable it's not worth commenting about it.
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The NY Times has had many articles and op-eds attacking Trump.
Hillary Clinton does not deserve our sympathy as a victim nor for her misspeaking and hubris.
She should be vilified and mistrusted for her poor judgment as evidenced by the mass encarcerations, the lives lost in Iraq, the tragedy in Syria, and the mess in Libya.
Hillary Clinton does not deserve our sympathy as a victim nor for her misspeaking and hubris.
She should be vilified and mistrusted for her poor judgment as evidenced by the mass encarcerations, the lives lost in Iraq, the tragedy in Syria, and the mess in Libya.
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The fact that Bernie supporters think that he can win a general election means that they have not studied history. Orwell made it clear that religion and nationalism are the two most powerful forces afflicting mankind. Trump's nationalism in this time of terrorism and fear will take down Bernie in a day. Hillary is a complete compromise, but doesn't it make sense to compromise and win, rather than have the Egomaniac in the white house? Liberals "feeling the Bern" take stock of how much the other side likes Obama. I guess Fox, the Koch brothers and about 45% of the population will just welcome Bernie and rush to help him. Let's get real about the stakes here.
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Yeah let's cave again and keep on caving to big money! Hillary will assure us of that. Don't demand change, just curl up in a little ball and whimper, But we can't do anything about it.
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If the Sanders campaign can reduce the deficit in pleaded delegates to fewer than 200 after Tuesday night, all of the momentum will be with them. With the two remaining southern states Kentucky and West Virginia not voting until May, this gives Mr. Sanders a window of opportunity to take over the lead in pledged delegates with the voting moving North and out West.
If the Mrs. Clinton sees their lead erode after Tuesday, a sense of déjà vu may permeate her campaign with more misspeaks and stumbles ahead.
Mr. Sanders is clearly the most authentic and substantial candidate in either party.
If the Mrs. Clinton sees their lead erode after Tuesday, a sense of déjà vu may permeate her campaign with more misspeaks and stumbles ahead.
Mr. Sanders is clearly the most authentic and substantial candidate in either party.
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I am really ashamed of all the Universities that hosted such a hateful anger instigating man as Don Trump.
Universities are no place for polarizing figures. They are where diverse young minds are nourished and matured, not destroyed.
Universities are no place for polarizing figures. They are where diverse young minds are nourished and matured, not destroyed.
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Universities are just the place where young minds should listen, compare, and make judgments. Isn't that what education is about - the ability to analyze, to discern?
Ane perhaps those young (and not-so-young) minds should remember they have the choice when it comes to anger: they can act like small children and throw a temper tantrum, or act like grownups and rebut statements with which they disagree. Of course, the rebuttal should be made in the right tone (not anger), the right mode (using logic), and the right manner (certainly not loud / throwing things / interfering with the rights of others to listen).
Rise above the fray and show you are better. Or get down in the dirt and show you are the same or worse.
Ane perhaps those young (and not-so-young) minds should remember they have the choice when it comes to anger: they can act like small children and throw a temper tantrum, or act like grownups and rebut statements with which they disagree. Of course, the rebuttal should be made in the right tone (not anger), the right mode (using logic), and the right manner (certainly not loud / throwing things / interfering with the rights of others to listen).
Rise above the fray and show you are better. Or get down in the dirt and show you are the same or worse.
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As much as I detest Mr Trump, I tend to disagree with your statement. One of the job of a university is to expose students to differing viewpoints. Universities are the best place for polarizing figures, and hosting someone like Trump will hopefully lead to thoughtful lectures and debates in classes. College is about learning, not assimilation.
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If we are afraid to allow influential people of all stripes to appear on college campuses, to be heard and have the words discussed and debated, then we are undermining the freedom to speak and think that are essential to a University.
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Approached by Democrat
I want everyone to know I was approached by a young man wanting me to participate in a flash mob interruption against Trump. He even stated I would be paid (like a college student was going to pay me). I want everyone to know I am appalled and do not appreciate the DNC, Clinton or Sanders for this latest cheap trick against Trump.
I want a fair race!
Sincerely,
Robert Alban
I want everyone to know I was approached by a young man wanting me to participate in a flash mob interruption against Trump. He even stated I would be paid (like a college student was going to pay me). I want everyone to know I am appalled and do not appreciate the DNC, Clinton or Sanders for this latest cheap trick against Trump.
I want a fair race!
Sincerely,
Robert Alban
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The DNC tried to get you to do this?
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Mr. Alban--
Just to be clear, you were approached by a Democrat in Arizona who wanted you to participate in a flash mob against Donald Trump? And where and when was it exactly in Arizona that Trump was supposed to be speaking?
And how did you know he was a Democrat? Was it from the color of his skin, perhaps? Or was he wearing a sweatshirt that said "Democrat" on it?
And finally even if all the preceding absurdities were true, how did you actually know he was what he said he was or whom he was working for? And, just out of curiousity, why was it that this "Democrat" approached you of all people?
Just to be clear, you were approached by a Democrat in Arizona who wanted you to participate in a flash mob against Donald Trump? And where and when was it exactly in Arizona that Trump was supposed to be speaking?
And how did you know he was a Democrat? Was it from the color of his skin, perhaps? Or was he wearing a sweatshirt that said "Democrat" on it?
And finally even if all the preceding absurdities were true, how did you actually know he was what he said he was or whom he was working for? And, just out of curiousity, why was it that this "Democrat" approached you of all people?
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How do you know it was not Cruz or Rubio organizing this?
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As this primary season devolves further into acrimony, divisiveness, misogyny, racism, religious bigotry, and a host of other prejudices, my one, recurring thought remains: "How will we (this country) make it to November?"
We are so fortunate to enjoy the freedoms, privileges, and wealth that we do. How can we forget that the rights and privileges we enjoy as individuals are guaranteed to EACH and EVERY person in our country (most without regard to citizenship). Ms. Palin is wrong when she says that protesters in Chicago interfered with Mr. Trump's supporter's rights. Those protesters have rights that are equally valid; they have the same right to free speech, assembly (etc.) as a person who is there to support a candidate.
The real problem in Chicago was the fundamental lack of respect shown for the rights of ALL people: Trump groupies and protesters alike.
We are so fortunate to enjoy the freedoms, privileges, and wealth that we do. How can we forget that the rights and privileges we enjoy as individuals are guaranteed to EACH and EVERY person in our country (most without regard to citizenship). Ms. Palin is wrong when she says that protesters in Chicago interfered with Mr. Trump's supporter's rights. Those protesters have rights that are equally valid; they have the same right to free speech, assembly (etc.) as a person who is there to support a candidate.
The real problem in Chicago was the fundamental lack of respect shown for the rights of ALL people: Trump groupies and protesters alike.
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People are finally hearing Bernie's message, and the message is resonating deeply. Thank you to the NYT for finally running an actual news story on him. The more people hear, the more they will nod their head and pull the lever for Bernie.
It's a phenomenon, it feels like it is his time. You can't fight the swell of history.
And yet, I truly feel sorrow that Hillary has been caught up in yet another race against a once-in-a-lifetime candidate. I'm reminded of what my mother often says - life will keep teaching you the lesson you most need to learn. I often think Hillary's yet-to-be-learned lesson must be humility.
It's a phenomenon, it feels like it is his time. You can't fight the swell of history.
And yet, I truly feel sorrow that Hillary has been caught up in yet another race against a once-in-a-lifetime candidate. I'm reminded of what my mother often says - life will keep teaching you the lesson you most need to learn. I often think Hillary's yet-to-be-learned lesson must be humility.
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Oh man, I'm looking at the SLIDESHOW that comes with this article and the picture of that young women in the middle of a throng of big white men obviously yelling back at her at a Trump rally.
Think it's picture 11?
She's got guts! It's a beautiful thing.
Carry on you courageous young American. The future is yours!
Think it's picture 11?
She's got guts! It's a beautiful thing.
Carry on you courageous young American. The future is yours!
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The question that needs to be asked is how Senator Sanders is going to effect all the changes he idolizes in other countries and proposes: universal health care, tuition free colleges, climate change, bringing jobs back to America, and doing away with lobbyists and super pacs?
Will this be in his first 100 days or first year?
Will he be working with Senators McConnel, Cruz, Cornyn and the like?
I think he needs to explain himself a little more than repeating his mantras and demanding Hillary release transcripts of speeches she gave , as other officials do after their government term and as a former senator from New York ---and an effective one -- would be invited to do?
One senses besides the anger manifest in Senator Sanders' speeches a bit of pique at Hillary's accomplishments---which are not to be belittled.
Will this be in his first 100 days or first year?
Will he be working with Senators McConnel, Cruz, Cornyn and the like?
I think he needs to explain himself a little more than repeating his mantras and demanding Hillary release transcripts of speeches she gave , as other officials do after their government term and as a former senator from New York ---and an effective one -- would be invited to do?
One senses besides the anger manifest in Senator Sanders' speeches a bit of pique at Hillary's accomplishments---which are not to be belittled.
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Hillary will face the same party of "no" if she is President. They hate her. So good luck with her getting anything done but deflecting criticism and being stonewalled. The Democrats in Congress don't think much of her either. Just ask them.
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i dont understand why the Democrats fight over Sanders or Clinton?...wouldnt it be much better and smarter?? (Vallhalla forbid) to concentrate on NOT letting Trump win??seriously??...the man is a total lunatic...but...yet he wins?...come back to Europe with an answer on how you want your foreign policy to be...and if we dont like the answer...well we will send the Syrians over there..to see what happens...will he kill them all?...
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Thank you, my reservations entirely. I am tired of the smears and attacks, rather than promoting policies and programs. Sorry, I don't think waving one's arms in the air and claiming that a revolution will make it all happen is an actual policy or plan.
Bernie, stop with the smear and innuendo. You got something positive to say, and some way to get it done, then say it, and win me over. Otherwise, I am simply not interested in an angry candidate (in which I may be alone, on both sides of the aisle, this year).
Bernie, stop with the smear and innuendo. You got something positive to say, and some way to get it done, then say it, and win me over. Otherwise, I am simply not interested in an angry candidate (in which I may be alone, on both sides of the aisle, this year).
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For Hillary, words can be weapons are an understatement. It would seem with respect to this issue, either Hillary Clinton has a short memory OR her staff is not doing their homework very well. In addition to words, the internet can also come back to bite you.
In a speech in Missouri yesterday, concerning the issue of healthcare, she stated quite unequivocally, when her and Bill Clintons attempt at coming up comprehensive healthcare bill in the mid 1990s, she yelled out at the rally yesterday when it came to the formulation of that bill during her husbands administration, Bernie was nowhere to be found. It seems she forgot that the press conference during that speech was being filmed and not only was Sanders close by but, he was standing right behind her and she specifically thanked him for his support.
Be carefully Hillary and you wonder why your trustworthiness rating is so low?
In a speech in Missouri yesterday, concerning the issue of healthcare, she stated quite unequivocally, when her and Bill Clintons attempt at coming up comprehensive healthcare bill in the mid 1990s, she yelled out at the rally yesterday when it came to the formulation of that bill during her husbands administration, Bernie was nowhere to be found. It seems she forgot that the press conference during that speech was being filmed and not only was Sanders close by but, he was standing right behind her and she specifically thanked him for his support.
Be carefully Hillary and you wonder why your trustworthiness rating is so low?
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This cheap and disingenuous trick by the Sanders campaign should not fly. Indeed, in the 1990s Bernie Sanders did not back the Clinton Healthcare Bill (HillaryCare). The misleading video presented by the Sanders campaign is one of Hillary Clinton speaking to a small group at Dartmouth University (not far from Vermont). In it she thanks Congressman Sanders for being there to hear her speak. That is all - a courtesy. She did not thank him for his support, because he did not support increased access to healthcare through this bill. The link is here to the YouTube video (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_-oWhEo0YOE), and her sole comment abut Mr Sanders is at about 10 minutes.
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Most wonder how her trust rating can be as high as it is.
Would you buy a used car from the Clintons?
Would you buy a used car from the Clintons?
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“We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” she said, in explaining her plan to create clean energy jobs."
Just to be clear, American Rising does NOT support Senator Sanders. Sanders will not take PAC support. And while I don't believe any American should vote for a candidate who does take PAC support, let me come to Secretary Clinton's defense in this instance.
While I don't know the full context in which her remarks were made (nor do I think that the phrase which is attributed to her is particularly artful), everything I know about the very real dangers of climate change tells me that she, like her Democratic opponent, is spot on to be focused on the very real dangers posed by our excessive reliance on fossil fuels and, in particular, inherently dirty fuels like coal.
It was over 80 years ago that Upton Sinclair identified the real problem here when he observed:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
The Republicans are shamelessly exploiting this natural human weakness to advance their own deceitful purpose at the expense of the our society, the global community, and, indeed, the planet itself.
VOTE DEMOCRAT.
Just to be clear, American Rising does NOT support Senator Sanders. Sanders will not take PAC support. And while I don't believe any American should vote for a candidate who does take PAC support, let me come to Secretary Clinton's defense in this instance.
While I don't know the full context in which her remarks were made (nor do I think that the phrase which is attributed to her is particularly artful), everything I know about the very real dangers of climate change tells me that she, like her Democratic opponent, is spot on to be focused on the very real dangers posed by our excessive reliance on fossil fuels and, in particular, inherently dirty fuels like coal.
It was over 80 years ago that Upton Sinclair identified the real problem here when he observed:
"It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends upon his not understanding it!"
The Republicans are shamelessly exploiting this natural human weakness to advance their own deceitful purpose at the expense of the our society, the global community, and, indeed, the planet itself.
VOTE DEMOCRAT.
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I plan to. I'm voting for Bernie Sanders, the only candidate who has not been purchased by the 1%. He owes nothing to the oligarchs; he, as always, owes the people, and he knows this and respects it.
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Do you support fracking?
Hillary: No, unless this, or that, or this other thing, and only on days that end with y. Oh, and ignore my campain donations from oil and gas companies.
Sanders: No.
Hillary: No, unless this, or that, or this other thing, and only on days that end with y. Oh, and ignore my campain donations from oil and gas companies.
Sanders: No.
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It's hard to see Clinton as a real fighter for climate change, when she's been paid by the fossil-fuel industry; promoted fracking around the world, as Secretary of State (see article); and waffles on pipelines.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/10/hillary-clinton-fracking_n_5796...
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/09/10/hillary-clinton-fracking_n_5796...
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While not admiring Mr. Trump, it appears like his rallies are being besieged by organized anarchists, not protesters. But I suppose people's terminology will be dictated by their point of view.
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In this season of bombastic banality I encourage my fellow Americans to look past the multitudinous foibles of all these candidates, and ask one very powerful question: which candidate do you think will make the wisest choice of nominees for the next three or four Supreme Court vacancies?
Presidents come and go, but those justices can hang around for forty years or more...and they can affirm, or overturn, every value you treasure.
Presidents come and go, but those justices can hang around for forty years or more...and they can affirm, or overturn, every value you treasure.
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And the choice I came up with from your question, Jonathan, is Bernie Sanders.
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Jonathon. Elsewhere written, indications are that President Obama has narrowed his Supreme Court nominee choices down to three people; all federal servants.
President Obama always sided with government power over the people instead of a government of the people. He will choose between three government judges to serve in a branch of government that will decide cases in favor of the government.
President Obama always sided with government power over the people instead of a government of the people. He will choose between three government judges to serve in a branch of government that will decide cases in favor of the government.
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You're trying to reach rational adults. They aren't out there, at least not among the wailing Bernie-ites. Mean little children, so full of rage and self-righteousness. They've obviously been eating too much gluten. The Clinton years were a great relief for those of us old enough to have lived through Reagan--people in the White House who spoke in complete sentences. People either weren't born, or they've forgotten.
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The way in which Donald Trump manages his campaign is a vignette of how he would manage the Presidency. Let's see: wildly fluctuating moods; crude, sexist remarks; fear-mongering over immigrants, refugees and Muslims; calls for the arrests of peaceful protestors and setting the tone for rallies at his campaign.
What we have seen is a microcosm of a dangerous, backward place, not 21st Century America. Keep America great. Keep Trump out of the White House.
What we have seen is a microcosm of a dangerous, backward place, not 21st Century America. Keep America great. Keep Trump out of the White House.
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if President, he might even nuke a friendly nation or an unfriendly one at that just because they made him angry. No way I want the country's nuclear arsonal controlled by that raving lunatic.
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I meant to say "setting the violent tone..." Thanks.
You got to admit, it would never be a dull moment in the Trumpster's White House; just one never-ending, zany, wild-and-crazy sitcom...
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I sat here contemplating what profound idea I could convey, and I was left with something that everyone can understand, however simple, but still starkly profound.
This election will be between Don Trump and Hillary Clinton, war and peace.
This election will be between Don Trump and Hillary Clinton, war and peace.
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Patrick...I think Donald and Hillary are both good for war, as are Ted Cruzifixion and that little World War III Ken Doll Marco Rubio.
Bernie of course, doesn't care for war....and would use the war money for single-payer instead....a vastly superior and much more civilized idea.
Oh the horror -- oh the humanity -- oh the healthcare for all !
Bernie of course, doesn't care for war....and would use the war money for single-payer instead....a vastly superior and much more civilized idea.
Oh the horror -- oh the humanity -- oh the healthcare for all !
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My God! That's a great book title. Copyright it....
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I wouldn't be so sure that Hillary would have us in a war, while I AM sure that any Republican president would. Immediately. But Hillary is smart and nuanced.
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Hillary is not authentic, Bernie is.
By now I find anything that comes out of Hillary hard to believe.
Why not vote for someone who does not talk (differently) from both sides of their mouth...
By now I find anything that comes out of Hillary hard to believe.
Why not vote for someone who does not talk (differently) from both sides of their mouth...
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but most older women are saying it's their turn. Fine, but let the woman be honest as well as qualified. Speaking of qualified, what has Clinton actually done that helped the ordinary working stiff, whether man or woaman?
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The only reason why not is doubts whether Bernie could win the election.
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fighting the nyt and the dnc is hard enough but the fact that some trump supporter said that sanders should convert to christianity says it all. Hillary is runinng a reverse southern strategy
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I think Larry David's SNL performance as Bernie Sanders was right on target when he said, "The young people love me because I’m like them. I’ve got a lot of big plans and absolutely no idea on how to achieve them.”
I'm voting for Hillary!
I'm voting for Hillary!
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So your making a choice by what someone says on a comedy show? Wow, a real Einstein.
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Slick line with no substance. Rather than repeat it, do research.
There is no reason why Americans should not enjoy the same benefits that people in other developed nations do.
There is no reason why Americans should not enjoy the same benefits that people in other developed nations do.
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On the other hand, SNL's skit about Clinton’s flip-flop nature, and her recent tendencies to take on Sanders’ own positions, was political satire at its best. The punch line to this spoof of a political ad is that by its end, Clinton has physically turned into Sanders, with her character saying “I’m whoever you want me to be, and I approve this message”:
“Hillary Clinton Ad – SNL”, 3/12/16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iBb1gvehI
“Hillary Clinton Ad – SNL”, 3/12/16
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3iBb1gvehI
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HRC," ... she made in in Columbus on Sunday. “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,”
The above says it all HRC would say what the crowd wants to hear, It would vary from audience to audience.
That is the reason we want her to release the transcripts of million dollar speeches to the Big Money people the Bankers.
When one keeps lying, It keeps making up new stories to cover the previous Lie.
It is a matter of TRUST; and I know we understand.
Pretty soon we will have to ask," WILL THE TRUE HRC PLEASE STAND UP"
Bernie is good for America as he is an America Firster.
The above says it all HRC would say what the crowd wants to hear, It would vary from audience to audience.
That is the reason we want her to release the transcripts of million dollar speeches to the Big Money people the Bankers.
When one keeps lying, It keeps making up new stories to cover the previous Lie.
It is a matter of TRUST; and I know we understand.
Pretty soon we will have to ask," WILL THE TRUE HRC PLEASE STAND UP"
Bernie is good for America as he is an America Firster.
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Bernie an America First-er? I doubt he'd appreciate that description!
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The "true HRC" cannot stand up, because there is no "true HRC." She becomes the spokesman for whomever she happens to be talking to at that particular moment. Next moment, another HRC.
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He always put American Interest ahead of any other country of the world.
When we look at our politicians in general, it is a welcome change, good for America.
Go Bernie Go
When we look at our politicians in general, it is a welcome change, good for America.
Go Bernie Go
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Let's see:
A fascist plutocrat who incites the angry, poor White masses to violence against Black people, women, LGBT people, and political opponents...
...or an actual leader who has advocated every day of her professional career for the disadvantaged and forgotten, even when it was not glamorous or convenient and would not be recognized?
A fascist plutocrat who incites the angry, poor White masses to violence against Black people, women, LGBT people, and political opponents...
...or an actual leader who has advocated every day of her professional career for the disadvantaged and forgotten, even when it was not glamorous or convenient and would not be recognized?
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And referred to young Black males as "super predators." And favored the three-strikes rule for incarceration, and so forth, ad infinitum. Hillary is a right-wing Republican running as a Democrat. No thanks.
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I do not see aforementioned candidates on either side. Fiorina has dropped out, and Bernie is not as bad as you make it sound. hyperbole much.
"Hillary is a right-wing Republican running as a Democrat."
No, she's not. And you know that. Take it down a notch. She's not as good as Bernie by a long shot, but she's awright. Way WAY better than any of the troglodytes running for the Republican nomination.
No, she's not. And you know that. Take it down a notch. She's not as good as Bernie by a long shot, but she's awright. Way WAY better than any of the troglodytes running for the Republican nomination.
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This article raises a salient point about Hillary Clinton's descending popularity. It is not right wing smear attacks that cause people to vote for Bernie Sanders, but rather, he tone-deaf language on the campaign trail. One day Hillary is praising Nancy Reagan for her ficticious AIDs advocacy, the next day she tells a man who was wrongly imprisoned for 39 years that she still supports capital punishment. Just tonight, she said we didn't lose a single American life in Libya.
Tomorrow, Hillary Clinton will lose her home state of Illinois. Worse for her campaign, she will have no more Southern states to provide her easy victories. It shall be her own Ides of March.
Tomorrow, Hillary Clinton will lose her home state of Illinois. Worse for her campaign, she will have no more Southern states to provide her easy victories. It shall be her own Ides of March.
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And yet, she'll get the nomination (thanks in large part to her former campaign manager, Debbie Wasserman Schultz, now head of the DNC). And lose to Trump. Thanks a lot, Hillary.
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Yes, I suspect it will be the beginning of the end of Hillary's hopes for coronation! Her pose as the True Friend of us "ordinary people" is being exposed, week by week, as the sham it is.
And her writing off of the Midwest primaries suggests that she's aware of that too. She evidently doesn't expect much support among those most devastated by Billary's legislative achievements!
And her writing off of the Midwest primaries suggests that she's aware of that too. She evidently doesn't expect much support among those most devastated by Billary's legislative achievements!
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Totally cool comment!
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Bernie Sanders has gained traction in northern states in his race with Hillary Clinton by using an anti NAFTA and anti TPP stance. While I understand this I still do not know how he would relate to the countries affected if he should somehow do away with these trade agreements. In the same way Bernie Sanders has not shown how he will achieve many of his admittedly noble goals. Bernie says he wants to lead a revolution and he has inspired many, but to me he needs more than this, solid plans that include how he will make his goals possible beyond saying that somehow the Congress will magically turn democratic. Until Bernie Sanders really shows me concrete possibilities I am still skeptical.
It is not too early to concentrate all our efforts in securing the Presidency for a Democrat giving us a Progressive SCOTUS And this I believe should be the democrat's main goal.
It is not too early to concentrate all our efforts in securing the Presidency for a Democrat giving us a Progressive SCOTUS And this I believe should be the democrat's main goal.
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We don't have to eliminate trade agreements, they need to be renegotiated. Politicians have done a horrible job putting these into place and the only ones who have benefitted are the politicians and the other countries.
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“We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” she said, in explaining her plan to create clean energy jobs.
Here's the thing. There are only 2 kinds of people who should really have a problem with that statement.
One is coal mine workers who are understandably worried about how they can provide for their families. But they have to face the fact that fossil fuels are going away and find a political entity who can prioritize transitioning them and more importantly their kids into a different economy. Hillary can be that entity and we as Democrats should hold her feet to the fire when she's elected to make sure that happens.
New flash: Nobody really wants to be a coal miner. Generations have done that job honorably to earn a living for themselves and their families. But they all know there is a huge price to be paid to earn a living that way, and nobody really wants their kids to go down.
Two is the ownership and managerial classes who have never gone down the mine. They never will. They earn their $ on the backs of those who do and die for the privilege. They're willing to destroy the planet to keep the flow of dirty dollars flowing. And they will use whatever dirty-pool Koch-type methods at their disposal to do so.
Other than them, we should all be looking ahead to a different and better future.
Go Hill.
Here's the thing. There are only 2 kinds of people who should really have a problem with that statement.
One is coal mine workers who are understandably worried about how they can provide for their families. But they have to face the fact that fossil fuels are going away and find a political entity who can prioritize transitioning them and more importantly their kids into a different economy. Hillary can be that entity and we as Democrats should hold her feet to the fire when she's elected to make sure that happens.
New flash: Nobody really wants to be a coal miner. Generations have done that job honorably to earn a living for themselves and their families. But they all know there is a huge price to be paid to earn a living that way, and nobody really wants their kids to go down.
Two is the ownership and managerial classes who have never gone down the mine. They never will. They earn their $ on the backs of those who do and die for the privilege. They're willing to destroy the planet to keep the flow of dirty dollars flowing. And they will use whatever dirty-pool Koch-type methods at their disposal to do so.
Other than them, we should all be looking ahead to a different and better future.
Go Hill.
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You know, I do realize how HRC meant it; but it was extremely poorly phrased--in fact, it seems to be a sort of panicked, accidental blurt (indeed, she did misspeak). But as the granddaughter & grandniece of coal miners whose father proudly and fondly believed in the FDR legacy, I wish he were alive to see--and vote for--Bernie.
Bernie 2016
Bernie 2016
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HIllary : “We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business”. Here we go, she definitely cannot say anything intelligent or sensible without a script telling her what to say... unless she was actually being sincere on her economical plan... putting the working class out of business! Hey America, is it the kind of president you want?
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Hillary has long since advocated providing federal support for the coal miners to meet their needs as they transition from an industry that is as poisonous to its workers as it is to the environment. As a concerned environmentalist I applaud an initiative that will give these miners a rewarding opportunity for a better life above the ground.
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Yes. It is. Coal is really really really bad for everyone except the mine owners. Even the miners would be better off getting different jobs. Why do you think they don't want their children working in the mine with them? Do you need more explaining or are you ok now?
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Thanks Larry N and J for your comments, I actually agree with what you said. However, from what the NYT wrote, it doesn't look like Hillary has proposed a clear alternative to the jobs lost. Miner workers are not going to turn into high tech technicians or engineers overnight. If there are programs in place to replace the jobs lost, then I applause.
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Extensive coverage of “Stop Trump!“ still leaves us with the question as to the alternative. Ted Cruz? Hard to think of a more sinister and threatening prospect. Some miracle revival of Marco Rent-a-Rubio, the finest candidate money can retain? John Kasich or perhaps Paul Ryan? You can wish to stop Trump but the campaign trail does not end there, and if stopping Trump means holding the door open for Cruz to walk through we will have made a horrible, potentially fatal, deal to dump Trump and nominate the devil.
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Uh, didn't you leave someone out? Or do you consider it inevitable that the tea party will win the presidency? I think you have another think coming.
Hilary will not have to worry about likability if she runs against Cruz, which would be nice.
Sanders is too old to be POTUS. The end.
Then there's the lack of foreign policy experience, at a time when it is direly needed. I fear for the future of "progressive" politics (Sanders ideas are 100 years old, not progressive) if this man becomes president. He's great as the anti-Clinton candidate, but nothing he's proposing is going to fly in the current Congress. People keep thinking he's the only guy that can beat Trump, but we have yet to see him actually attacked, and he's an easy target. As someone who voted for Nader, I find Sanders ideas too retro-New-Deal - just imagine the atheist-socialist attack ads - it's not going to take much to mobilize half the country against him.
Then there's the lack of foreign policy experience, at a time when it is direly needed. I fear for the future of "progressive" politics (Sanders ideas are 100 years old, not progressive) if this man becomes president. He's great as the anti-Clinton candidate, but nothing he's proposing is going to fly in the current Congress. People keep thinking he's the only guy that can beat Trump, but we have yet to see him actually attacked, and he's an easy target. As someone who voted for Nader, I find Sanders ideas too retro-New-Deal - just imagine the atheist-socialist attack ads - it's not going to take much to mobilize half the country against him.
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If Sanders is too old, then HRC, who is less than six years younger, is also too old.
Let's not forget that Republicans gained seats in Congress and the statehouses during the Bill Clinton and even Barack Obama years.
Let's not forget that Republicans gained seats in Congress and the statehouses during the Bill Clinton and even Barack Obama years.
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Current congress?
We vote congress every two years!!!!
Have you heard of Bernie Sanders coat-tails?
We vote congress every two years!!!!
Have you heard of Bernie Sanders coat-tails?
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NONSENSE...! To say that Bernie Sanders is "too old" to be POTUS is nothing but pure trash talk from the D Party and all of their paid operatives on every cable show and in every corporate newsroom.
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Bernie is as honest a politician can ever be. He was against NAFTA, WTO, and TPP. Clinton is wishy -washy. If it's popular to be a progressive, that's where she'll be. If big money making Wall St is popular- there she is. She can't even be subtle about it, discretion is a foreign word to her. Clinton, let's see/hear what you said to those Wall St crooks. Why are you delaying the release of the transcripts? Sanders is an open book, a breath of fresh air. Why would people be opposed ot him, especially the middle class, poor, from all races? Is it because of their own deep down greed? It's obvious why the super rich, and crooks are against him. Clinton wants to keep the greed alive in D.C. and on Wall St. Sanders has said and has backed his words with action- "Enough already"!!!
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Bernie says things, people like hearing.
Clinton says things people like hearing.
And the voters can tell the difference
The difference between authentic and counterfeit.
Clinton says things people like hearing.
And the voters can tell the difference
The difference between authentic and counterfeit.
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The Times companion piece in today's paper about Bernie Sanders says it all. Just ask Senator McCain, he says, "But he's an honest liberal. I've worked with people who tell you they are going to do one thing and then do another, and Bernie did what he said. And he was very effective".
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So now you take political advice from John McCain ?
Did you vote for him ?
Did you vote for him ?
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Referring to the last passage in the article, I think there is a fair number of Bernie supporters that would argue that Trump, even with all his contrived bombast and carefully curated outrageous behavior for the medias attention would still be less damaging than HRC.
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It is far more likely HRC's supporters will go to Trump, given their shared beliefs.
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"It is far more likely HRC's supporters will go to Trump, given their shared beliefs."
I will write this off as a bombastic joke, but really? Have you read anything about Hillary's plans to welcome Syrian refugees or reform immigration?
I will write this off as a bombastic joke, but really? Have you read anything about Hillary's plans to welcome Syrian refugees or reform immigration?
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Never read it. It doesn't exist, except in the ephemeral speeches of HRC, together with the Reagans' impassioned pleas on behalf of AIDS victims.
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Sanders is accomplishing two key objectives with his campaign: educating Americans about socialist policies , and pushing Hillary Clinton's agenda to the left . I support Bernie. He's a veteran politician with a long list of legislative achievements and a history of openness and honesty. He's authentic. He's real .
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In 26 years, Sanders sponsored 781 bills and got three passed.
Three.
Two of them were about renaming post offices in his home state of Vermont.
The other was about a cost of living adjustment for veterans, hardly a tough sell to the other side of the aisle.
So where exactly is that 'long list of legislative achievements'?
Three.
Two of them were about renaming post offices in his home state of Vermont.
The other was about a cost of living adjustment for veterans, hardly a tough sell to the other side of the aisle.
So where exactly is that 'long list of legislative achievements'?
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Tired of the "pushing Hillary Clinton's agenda to the left" chant. She is not to be trusted, will say anything to get elected.
The only candidate that has earned my vote is Bernie Sanders. Party allegiance is plantation politics.
The only candidate that has earned my vote is Bernie Sanders. Party allegiance is plantation politics.
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Hey FSM,
Bernie has done much for us Vermonters. We appreciate it, hence the 70 % that vote for him in the past couple of election cycles. We don't have so much faith in our local politicians, but that is the nature of the beauty. We've had Republican, Democrat, state leaders, but realize that the deck is stacked against you when competing with NY state. The state that will give tax cuts to corporations while absolving those same parties from their environmental destruction.
Look at industrial sites around East Fishkill for examples of lucrative real estate where the state agrees to clean up. At the tax payers dime. Hard to compete against such corrupt and unethical trade deals.
Bernie has done much for us Vermonters. We appreciate it, hence the 70 % that vote for him in the past couple of election cycles. We don't have so much faith in our local politicians, but that is the nature of the beauty. We've had Republican, Democrat, state leaders, but realize that the deck is stacked against you when competing with NY state. The state that will give tax cuts to corporations while absolving those same parties from their environmental destruction.
Look at industrial sites around East Fishkill for examples of lucrative real estate where the state agrees to clean up. At the tax payers dime. Hard to compete against such corrupt and unethical trade deals.
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Sanders won Michigan by two points and Clinton still came out ahead in delegates. It means the candidates are competitive.
Does an anti-trade message work? It does when people decide protectionism serves them better, but does it really? The American president can't prohibit a corporation from going where it wants to go, no matter what people on the left or right say. She or he can, however, try and make sure there are rules to make trade fair. It goes without saying that trade serves more than one interest and leaving a vacuum means that other countries step into the void.
It's amazing that Clinton's slammed for saying that she wants to replace dirty energy jobs with cleaner energy ones--how is this difficult to understand? There are clean energy jobs to be had. That's what many Democrats say we want--will the voting public ever be consistent?
Does an anti-trade message work? It does when people decide protectionism serves them better, but does it really? The American president can't prohibit a corporation from going where it wants to go, no matter what people on the left or right say. She or he can, however, try and make sure there are rules to make trade fair. It goes without saying that trade serves more than one interest and leaving a vacuum means that other countries step into the void.
It's amazing that Clinton's slammed for saying that she wants to replace dirty energy jobs with cleaner energy ones--how is this difficult to understand? There are clean energy jobs to be had. That's what many Democrats say we want--will the voting public ever be consistent?
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She likes fracking too.
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"Sanders won Michigan by two points and Clinton still came out ahead in delegates. It means the candidates are competitive."
No! It means the systems is rigged!
No! It means the systems is rigged!
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Obviously, you are not a coal miner in Appalachia, but some upper middle class person whose whole life has depended on exploiting the cheap labor provided by coal miners. Yeah, we are going to have a program to help them transitions to hamburger flipping, just like the rustbelt factory workers got those great jobs in the service industry. Tariffs inoculate innovative companies, which is why Japan and china use them. So did the US in order to kickstart our auto industries. As well as our tech industries. California, as it happens, importsa great deal of its energy, and of course is famous for its spendthrift ways with water, encouraging walnut growers and cotton plantaions in the desert. Clinton's sentence sums up, more than racism, the disgust felt by the working class with the political establishment. How would Clinton like it if she was put out on the street and retrained for, say, telephone service work?
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Given the way things are going, I think it is fair to say that Mrs. Clinton has clearly demonstrated that she has the support of enough voters to be elected President of the Confederate States of America.
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Sir, that, I might point out, is your incorrect inference and not my unacknowledged implication. I was simply making the point that thus far Mrs. Clinton has not done well outside of the southern states that she is virtually guaranteed to lose in a general election.
Feel the Bern.
Feel the Bern.
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Wishful thinking untill yesterday; an old dream after today!
That is disgusting. She has the support of large numbers of southern African Americans.
Your comment is grotesque and out of line.
Your comment is grotesque and out of line.
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I'm in the not very hip 40+ non-white male category in California (last to vote, woohoo!). Most of my friends prefer Hillary. Very few of us talk politics on social media. In fact we're not really on social media.
I hope Hillary stays in till then. She might be pleasantly surprised. BTW, all of us would vote for Bernie if he won the nomination.
I hope Hillary stays in till then. She might be pleasantly surprised. BTW, all of us would vote for Bernie if he won the nomination.
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@ William, very interesting. I hope you studied their policy positions and examined their record of what they have actually done. See, in my case, For a change I would like a real Progressive to become President and set the country back on a path where the Middle Class is not disappearing into the ether and the working class is not reduced to burger flipping and working at Walmart for subsistence wages. BTW did you know Hillary used to be on their Board? Bernie on the other hand worked all his life for the rest of us.
If I wanted a Republican light I would go whole hog and pick someone who is a declared GOP candidate but then I lean Progressive and there is only one in the race for President.
Don't believe what the say, look at what they have achieved.
If I wanted a Republican light I would go whole hog and pick someone who is a declared GOP candidate but then I lean Progressive and there is only one in the race for President.
Don't believe what the say, look at what they have achieved.
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Few observations:
How is it that the potential nominees for both parties have high unfavorable ratings? I am looking at a no holds barred general election match up and Trump will pull out everything. Just look at how he's been running his campaign so far.
I don't think the SuperPAC ads will hurt him, all he has to do is point out who is funding them---billionaire donors detached from the middle class.
As for HRC, after Michigan, well we all have heard of NAFTA and considering her ties to big money, it is detrimental to her cause.
Overall, this is an election that reflects the utter rejection of the establishment. They have failed to do their job and are getting punished.
Thank you. Please feel free to add on if I have missed anything :)
How is it that the potential nominees for both parties have high unfavorable ratings? I am looking at a no holds barred general election match up and Trump will pull out everything. Just look at how he's been running his campaign so far.
I don't think the SuperPAC ads will hurt him, all he has to do is point out who is funding them---billionaire donors detached from the middle class.
As for HRC, after Michigan, well we all have heard of NAFTA and considering her ties to big money, it is detrimental to her cause.
Overall, this is an election that reflects the utter rejection of the establishment. They have failed to do their job and are getting punished.
Thank you. Please feel free to add on if I have missed anything :)
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Hillary: "We're going to put a lot of coal miners out of work."
Yeah! Keep shouting, girl!
Nobody who sat on the corporate board of WalMart for 7 years - while WalMart was becoming expert at starving their employees - deserves to be elected claiming she'll fight for working people. Hillary never has, she never will be. She lies and uses working people to get elected.
What was she thinking all those years she sat in WalMart corporate board meetings? "This is a sweet payday for me!"?
Those of you who think Bernie is a fraud should seriously think about why you are being deceived by Hillary.
Possibly tomorrow she'll score more resounding victories with the votes of church-going black women in the deep south.
The rest of us who worry about coal miners and people who work at minimum wage with no benefits are out of luck in Hillaryland.
Yeah! Keep shouting, girl!
Nobody who sat on the corporate board of WalMart for 7 years - while WalMart was becoming expert at starving their employees - deserves to be elected claiming she'll fight for working people. Hillary never has, she never will be. She lies and uses working people to get elected.
What was she thinking all those years she sat in WalMart corporate board meetings? "This is a sweet payday for me!"?
Those of you who think Bernie is a fraud should seriously think about why you are being deceived by Hillary.
Possibly tomorrow she'll score more resounding victories with the votes of church-going black women in the deep south.
The rest of us who worry about coal miners and people who work at minimum wage with no benefits are out of luck in Hillaryland.
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It is disingenuous for Sanders and his supporters to use this remark against Hillary Clinton. She said it in the context of promoting clean energy. You can't have it both ways and advocate for clean energy, as Sanders does, while saying that you will not put coal miners out of work. As we transition to clean, low carbon energy, coal miners will be put out of work and will have to learn new skills to survive in the 21st century economy. Clinton could have said it better, but she was speaking the truth. Sanders, in his attempts to appeal to his constituency of displaced workers is telling them what they want to hear and not acknowledging that his energy policies will result in the replacement of coal by renewable energy. Instead, he blames Wall Street and the billionaires for their job losses.
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clinton was speaking the truth? talk about disingenuous.
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I hope this in-fighting between Hillary supporters and Bernie supporters is becoming so fierce that it will lose us the election. If that happens, there will be disastrous consequences. Think of the SCOTUS, for example.
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“We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” she said, in explaining her plan to create clean energy jobs.
Clinton is the pragmatist? This is not honesty it is callousness and yes stupidity. Is this the suave politician who will beat Trump? One could have restated the statement about coal and clean energy jobs without alienating by simply saying:
"We’re going to put a lot of coal miners in better paying, healthier, and safer clean energy jobs. Jobs that will create a healthier America that will make life long childhood asthma from disease causing fossil fuel pollution a thing of the past.
Feel the Bern!
Clinton is the pragmatist? This is not honesty it is callousness and yes stupidity. Is this the suave politician who will beat Trump? One could have restated the statement about coal and clean energy jobs without alienating by simply saying:
"We’re going to put a lot of coal miners in better paying, healthier, and safer clean energy jobs. Jobs that will create a healthier America that will make life long childhood asthma from disease causing fossil fuel pollution a thing of the past.
Feel the Bern!
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Don't worry; as soon as he is nominated, Trump will have some great commercials made with Mrs. Clinton saying those words -- and play them back to back, on a loop -- all throughout coal country. Say good bye to Southern Ohio, West Virginia, Tennessee, Eastern Virginia, etc.
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Didn't Barack Obama make statements in 2008, in San Francisco, about putting coal companies out of business, about bankrupting coal companies?
"“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted,” Obama said during a 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle’s editorial board.
“Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad,” Obama said in 2008. “Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to, uh, retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.”
I do like your version better - but please explain where those 'better paying, healthier, and safer clean energy jobs' are, when and how we will get there, and at what cost.
"“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them, because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted,” Obama said during a 2008 interview with the San Francisco Chronicle’s editorial board.
“Under my plan of a cap-and-trade system, electricity rates would necessarily skyrocket. Even regardless of what I say about whether coal is good or bad,” Obama said in 2008. “Because I’m capping greenhouse gases, coal power plants, you know, natural gas, you name it — whatever the plants were, whatever the industry was, they would have to, uh, retrofit their operations. That will cost money. They will pass that money on to consumers.”
I do like your version better - but please explain where those 'better paying, healthier, and safer clean energy jobs' are, when and how we will get there, and at what cost.
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Don't forget the railroads that will go belly-up because they don't carry coal to coal-fired electrical power plants.
But also don't forget Barack Obama said the same thing in 2008........and got elected. Twice.
But also don't forget Barack Obama said the same thing in 2008........and got elected. Twice.
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Tuesday's elections for both parties will tell us a lot about what will happen in these next few weeks. I think Mr. Sanders will show that the nominee for the Democratic Party is far from settled. On the Republican side Mr. Rubio will lose badly in Florida and Mr. Cruz and Mr. Trump will be the only two left standing on the Republican side.
If you think the mud throwing is over, the country will be up to their eyeballs in the mud until at least the end of April.
If you think the mud throwing is over, the country will be up to their eyeballs in the mud until at least the end of April.
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He will win 2 or 3 states, and Hillary will get a lot more votes than he will.
But despite Hillary getting more votes, the press will spin it as a Bernie victory - a victory of the people ! Despite the people choosing his opponent.
But despite Hillary getting more votes, the press will spin it as a Bernie victory - a victory of the people ! Despite the people choosing his opponent.
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If the past 16 years are any indication...mud throwing never stops, never breaks and never pauses.
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You haven't seen anything yet. Wait till Trump goes after Hillary.
The nyt wrote, "rivals sought to portray Hillary Clinton as at odds with the white working class and Donald J. Trump as a misogynist who did not deserve the support of women in the five states that vote on Tuesday."
Well maybe yes, but more accurate wording might be, rivals sought to highlight the results of polls showing that the public perceives of Hillary Clinton as at odds with the white working class and Donald J. Trump as a misogynist who did not deserve the support of women in the five states that vote on Tuesday.
Well maybe yes, but more accurate wording might be, rivals sought to highlight the results of polls showing that the public perceives of Hillary Clinton as at odds with the white working class and Donald J. Trump as a misogynist who did not deserve the support of women in the five states that vote on Tuesday.
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I would love to see a "Man on the Street" asking people of they thought Donald Trump was a misogynist. How many would answer, "I didn't know he's a doctor".
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“We’re going to put a lot of coal miners and coal companies out of business,” she said, in explaining her plan to create clean energy jobs."
Natural gas is not the answer to climate change it is just seen as the cheaper carbon source to burn. (We need more nuclear plants, not fewer.) The problem of coal mining in the Appalachian mountains is that the mining method has escalated to something so destructive, viz. mountain top removal, that is hard to believe a reader of the NYT would not do everything possible to stop. The methods for mining with mechanization provide fewer and fewer jobs, but have been the only good job in an non-diversified economy.
If you want a good book, one that helped set in motion the War on Poverty, try
"Night Comes to the Cumberlands" by Harry Caudill.
The coal fields will vote overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump.
Natural gas is not the answer to climate change it is just seen as the cheaper carbon source to burn. (We need more nuclear plants, not fewer.) The problem of coal mining in the Appalachian mountains is that the mining method has escalated to something so destructive, viz. mountain top removal, that is hard to believe a reader of the NYT would not do everything possible to stop. The methods for mining with mechanization provide fewer and fewer jobs, but have been the only good job in an non-diversified economy.
If you want a good book, one that helped set in motion the War on Poverty, try
"Night Comes to the Cumberlands" by Harry Caudill.
The coal fields will vote overwhelmingly for Mr. Trump.
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And where do you propose to put the radioactive waste, assuming there isn't a nuclear accident first?
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@phauger: where the French put it -- they have nuclear plants all over the nation, and provide nearly 100% of their electricity, making them "energy independent" and pollution-free.
Also we already have nuclear plants, but just not nearly enough, as lefty liberals have stopped the US from constructing enough to meet our energy needs...WHICH IS WHY WE STILL DEPEND ON COAL.
Also we already have nuclear plants, but just not nearly enough, as lefty liberals have stopped the US from constructing enough to meet our energy needs...WHICH IS WHY WE STILL DEPEND ON COAL.
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Saw the ad regarding Donald's comments of women. Horrifying. Stunned any woman could even contemplate voting for this man. Keeping my fingers crossed about tomorrow's primary outcomes but expecting the worst.
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and you really believe Cruz would be a better candidate for Women?
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So, you voted against Bill Clinton?
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Fred: plenty of women voted for Bill Clinton, despite what he did to (as opposed to, said about) other women. So don't be so stunned.
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Isn't anyone a Hillary supporter anymore? I guess all that smearing over the decades has finally worked. I'm saddened.
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It is not the smearing as the emerging of the facts.
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Her Wall Street friends still support her. And the "smearing over the decades" has been deserved. Honest people in government don't maintain a private mail server for official business.
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She is a woman, which automatically means that a lot of men will never vote for you and, unfortunately, some women, although they will insist that has nothing to do with it and come up with a long list of rationalizations.
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Both Sanders and Trump are promising that America should abandon free trade. Both have been seen as idealists (although from different perspectives). Both use phrases that make their opponents cringe. Both will win their party's nomination because their supporters are more convinced than ever that they have the best interests of working Americans at heart. If they do capture their party's nomination it will be an exciting November.
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All these geniuses who rail against free trade from their phones or computers need to understand that without free trade, they wouldn't have that phone or computer from which to post that message.
Wake up. If you want free trade so bad, stop using foreign made products. If you think Bernie or Don is going to bring you a $200 IPhone made in the USA, think again.
Wake up. If you want free trade so bad, stop using foreign made products. If you think Bernie or Don is going to bring you a $200 IPhone made in the USA, think again.
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A little late, now that all the manufacturing jobs have been shipped overseas.
Bernie Sanders is the only politician who is 100% for the people. All people. What would our world look like in 4 years with his presidency? A lot better!
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But how, actually, is Vermont doing, after 26 years of Sanders in Congress?
The economy in Vermont is stagnant and child poverty is rising. In 2011, 15.2% of Vermonters received food stamps, compared to 14.8% nationally.
Vermont is 95% Caucasian. It has no inner cities ghettos, a tiny percentage of minorities, and a few immigrant enclaves - the people who tend to use expensive social services the most - yet Vermont is a poor state.
Perhaps that is was ranked by Forbes magazine as 42nd best among states in which to do business has something to do with it, but the bottom line is that is does not have a thriving economy, so how again would Sanders do better with an entire county?
Oh, right, we will have a 'revolution' and everything will be 'free'.
The economy in Vermont is stagnant and child poverty is rising. In 2011, 15.2% of Vermonters received food stamps, compared to 14.8% nationally.
Vermont is 95% Caucasian. It has no inner cities ghettos, a tiny percentage of minorities, and a few immigrant enclaves - the people who tend to use expensive social services the most - yet Vermont is a poor state.
Perhaps that is was ranked by Forbes magazine as 42nd best among states in which to do business has something to do with it, but the bottom line is that is does not have a thriving economy, so how again would Sanders do better with an entire county?
Oh, right, we will have a 'revolution' and everything will be 'free'.
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And the Senator is responsible for the welfare of the state? I thought it was the Governor and Legislature.
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Right ALL people. Including all the Black people who only live in ghettos and live off welfare....No wonder he's not getting their vote.
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Heading into Tuesday, the Democrats' momentum is with Bernie, as evidenced by the polls. The reasons for Bernie's overall popularity reside with a long-festering need in this country for a true progressive shift, Bernie's personal appeal, and Hillary's weakness as a politician and candidate. But much of Bernie's recent momentum is because voters see that he's more of the anti-Trump: a critically needed force to vanquish the Joker. Bernie's Batman will triumph.
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REALLY???...Comic book analogies??? Is this what we've come to???
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" true progressive shift"
To me, "progressive" means more concern for the economically disadvantaged (which I support), and less concern for the unborn (which I do not support).
Too bad that the same word contains two contrasting positions, one humane and one not.
To me, "progressive" means more concern for the economically disadvantaged (which I support), and less concern for the unborn (which I do not support).
Too bad that the same word contains two contrasting positions, one humane and one not.
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I thought the analogy was pretty funny, actually. Trump as the Joker! He is about as genuine. But he is just as deft. He has figured out how to play on the fears of working class people, who have been abandoned by the Democrats. People have also figured out that the Republicans never were in their corner. They just used the old bait and switch.
I would love to see Bernie win Florida and the Midwest. Marco Rubio was here in Jacksonville, Florida today. I had to make a U-turn to avoid him: His big bus, the police motorcycles, the fanfare. All I could think was, "What a waste of gas!"
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Did my part. Feel the Bern.
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I will vote for the WOMAN OF ACTION - MS. HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON.
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I really wish the Times and other outlets would stop using martial language, albeit figurative, in their political coverage, This article talks about using words as "weapons." We read about candidates "attacking" each other, "battling," "targeting," and so forth. We've become so used to this that we don't notice anymore, but the words contribute to the heated rhetoric that has characterized this election cycle.
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That's a fair criticism
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you would think Trump was the editor-in-chief.
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No, Hillary is the editor-in-chief. Haven't you been following their columns about the primaries?
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What is the major takeaway? Language does matter, and it is specifically important in something like a presidential race, where candidates are vying for the support of the general public. In a race with so many complex issues and platforms, the candidates’ varied uses of language have had an important role in how they present their ideas, stand out among their counterparts, and most importantly how they ultimately influence the general public.