Honest and Trustworthy. Sanders wins hands down. Question is how can anyone support candidate Clinton when she is in the basement when it comes to being honest and trustworthy? Is it no longer the measure of a man, or woman running for office? This alone pretty much clinches it for me. Go Bernie.
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“3 9 16 letter to Borosage article on Michigan Surprise: historical
“... and apparently, this tyrannical attitude has infected the DNC, who tried to hustle the mayor of a large Ohio city (memory is not serving me) out of HRC's rally in Cleveland -- during the Michigan Surprise. She had left Michigan early and, in her speech, evidenced a dismissive attitude toward her opponent in her haste to proceed with the coronation. Worthy of Trump, it was. She may have lit the fuse there with this shameless brownshirt act.
“I also learned today (Ronn Owens on KGO AM) that the yclept "superdelegates" mostly in the HRC fold consist of 470+ former lobbyist shills for corporate Foggy Bottom interests. That whole shtick stinks and is redolent with greasy politics harkening back to the Tammany Hall days. I had held out hope that she was better than that. Sadly, apparently not (I will vote for her if I have to, but it does damage to my sense of propriety).
“On top of the gelatinous DWS, dragon head of the DNC (she should have quit or been thrown out a year ago)'s attempt to squelch EW's CFPB by granting payday money moguls a two-year reprieve from regulations, we now have the tinder to light the fires for the torches and tune the pitchforks that will probably be part of the stage dressing at both D and R conventions this summer.
“Next week will be memorable, if not historical in measure. Get the popcorn ready.
Aures lupi”
“... and apparently, this tyrannical attitude has infected the DNC, who tried to hustle the mayor of a large Ohio city (memory is not serving me) out of HRC's rally in Cleveland -- during the Michigan Surprise. She had left Michigan early and, in her speech, evidenced a dismissive attitude toward her opponent in her haste to proceed with the coronation. Worthy of Trump, it was. She may have lit the fuse there with this shameless brownshirt act.
“I also learned today (Ronn Owens on KGO AM) that the yclept "superdelegates" mostly in the HRC fold consist of 470+ former lobbyist shills for corporate Foggy Bottom interests. That whole shtick stinks and is redolent with greasy politics harkening back to the Tammany Hall days. I had held out hope that she was better than that. Sadly, apparently not (I will vote for her if I have to, but it does damage to my sense of propriety).
“On top of the gelatinous DWS, dragon head of the DNC (she should have quit or been thrown out a year ago)'s attempt to squelch EW's CFPB by granting payday money moguls a two-year reprieve from regulations, we now have the tinder to light the fires for the torches and tune the pitchforks that will probably be part of the stage dressing at both D and R conventions this summer.
“Next week will be memorable, if not historical in measure. Get the popcorn ready.
Aures lupi”
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You're right it sounds naïve.
What is the Clinton campaign thinking? kristina schake on tv networks is such a ineffective surrogate...cringeworthy...makes me wonder about campaign managment and I am voting for her. When are they going to step up their communication game.?..they are coasting on past name recognition. The Bernie spokeswoman on the same show was so much more dynamic and effective. It makes one wonder.
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The Clinton team made a strategic mistake in Michigan. By going after the black vote vigorously they alienated the white vote in Michigan. Most of the make vote iand the student vote are white.
The black vote is important to democratic presidential seekers.
But aligning yourself too close to groups like BLM will cost you the white vote. Those votes will go to Bernie or to Trump. You have to be able to attract the black vote without aligning yourself with groups like BLM. Most people see them as a fringe political group bent on political advantage. It's a balancing act that she has to control. Something that her husband was able to do.
The black vote is important to democratic presidential seekers.
But aligning yourself too close to groups like BLM will cost you the white vote. Those votes will go to Bernie or to Trump. You have to be able to attract the black vote without aligning yourself with groups like BLM. Most people see them as a fringe political group bent on political advantage. It's a balancing act that she has to control. Something that her husband was able to do.
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Independents decide November elections. They are for Bernie and against Hillary. They consider Hillary untrustworthy.
Democrats who want to win in November, pay attention.
Democrats who want to win in November, pay attention.
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It's sad that our presidential election might end up pitting an unelectable true believer against a man who believes in nothing.
I fear that if the followers of the true believer get their wish and Bernie Sanders is the Democrat candidate, we will end getting the completely unqualified and repugnant Donald Trump as our next president.
I guess it's just my age - 65 - that prevents me from accepting the various Bernieisms at face value, most notably that he can galvanize a wave election that will sweep away the GOP majority in the Senate and make it possible for him to accomplish any part - even a tiny part - of his platform.
I'm just not ready to believe that the majority of Americans will vote to become a Socialist Democracy, even if that really means becoming a country with European values, as attractive as many of those values are to many of us.
I have previously referred to Bernie's conceit that he can label himself a Socialist and still think that he will be acceptable to the mainstream voters in this country. It's too bad that he couldn't have just presented himself as an unalloyed liberal. His ideas might still be too far removed from our political center to win the election, but at least they would not have been so easily dismissed out of hand.
I fear that if the followers of the true believer get their wish and Bernie Sanders is the Democrat candidate, we will end getting the completely unqualified and repugnant Donald Trump as our next president.
I guess it's just my age - 65 - that prevents me from accepting the various Bernieisms at face value, most notably that he can galvanize a wave election that will sweep away the GOP majority in the Senate and make it possible for him to accomplish any part - even a tiny part - of his platform.
I'm just not ready to believe that the majority of Americans will vote to become a Socialist Democracy, even if that really means becoming a country with European values, as attractive as many of those values are to many of us.
I have previously referred to Bernie's conceit that he can label himself a Socialist and still think that he will be acceptable to the mainstream voters in this country. It's too bad that he couldn't have just presented himself as an unalloyed liberal. His ideas might still be too far removed from our political center to win the election, but at least they would not have been so easily dismissed out of hand.
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Mike,
As I said in another post, if he would just clarify what he means by socialism it might cease to be a liability. I'm pretty sure he's talking about a "mixed economy" of the kind seen in Europe and Canada and not classic socialism.
A person who responded to me made a great point: the debate format keeps candidates from laying out in detail what their positions really are. It puts emphasis on quick answers and putdowns. It may be too late in this election to change this.
As I said in another post, if he would just clarify what he means by socialism it might cease to be a liability. I'm pretty sure he's talking about a "mixed economy" of the kind seen in Europe and Canada and not classic socialism.
A person who responded to me made a great point: the debate format keeps candidates from laying out in detail what their positions really are. It puts emphasis on quick answers and putdowns. It may be too late in this election to change this.
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@ Mike Iker
"I guess it's just my age - 65 - that prevents me from accepting the various Bernieisms at face value, most notably that he can galvanize a wave election that will sweep away the GOP majority in the Senate and make it possible for him to accomplish any part - even a tiny part - of his platform."
Says a 65 year old that is enjoying Social Security retirement benefits and Medicare...one an idea of depression era 1930's and the other of the progressive "send a man to the moon in a decade" 1960's. You, Sir, are part of the problem. Make your vote count, stay involved in a post Sanders general election victory, and Sanders' ideas won't be "easily dismissed out of hand" as you suggest. Are you not willing to fight for the younger generations to enjoy the benefits that you are receiving? Are you not prepared to fight to keep and better the benefits that you are now receiving? This is not the time to be obtuse.
"I guess it's just my age - 65 - that prevents me from accepting the various Bernieisms at face value, most notably that he can galvanize a wave election that will sweep away the GOP majority in the Senate and make it possible for him to accomplish any part - even a tiny part - of his platform."
Says a 65 year old that is enjoying Social Security retirement benefits and Medicare...one an idea of depression era 1930's and the other of the progressive "send a man to the moon in a decade" 1960's. You, Sir, are part of the problem. Make your vote count, stay involved in a post Sanders general election victory, and Sanders' ideas won't be "easily dismissed out of hand" as you suggest. Are you not willing to fight for the younger generations to enjoy the benefits that you are receiving? Are you not prepared to fight to keep and better the benefits that you are now receiving? This is not the time to be obtuse.
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He IS electable, and we are already a social democracy. It is happening before your eyes and you still don't see!!
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Sanders needs to get targeted with his approach to African Americans like yesterday. Right now, it just seems that there's an enormous disconnect with a substantial portion of this influential voting population - and that will continue to sink him. Clinton is adored in the A-A community so he needs to get to the root of the most substantive issues that compel them to go out and vote for a newcomer. I'm just not getting how he's missed the boat on this.
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Tricia,
I think you are pushing a tempest in a teapot.
It is the Clinton campaign wagging the dog on this one.
Grasping at straws to sow division.
I'm sure Bernie is well aware of the enduring social injustice.
I think you are pushing a tempest in a teapot.
It is the Clinton campaign wagging the dog on this one.
Grasping at straws to sow division.
I'm sure Bernie is well aware of the enduring social injustice.
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A number of posters are arguing that Bernie Sanders is George McGovern 2.0.
In 1972, McGovern ran against Prersident Rchard Nixon, who was seking his second term.
McGovern picked Thomas Eagleton as his VP candidate.
When Eagleton admitted that he had been given electroshock treatments, McGovern scrambled to replace him, finally settling for Sargent Shriver.
McGovern tanked right after that. Nixon won with no problem, in a landslide, but he got himself into hot water in the Watergate scandal during the 1972 campaign, and it cost him his career.
Sanders is not George McGovern.
In 1972, McGovern ran against Prersident Rchard Nixon, who was seking his second term.
McGovern picked Thomas Eagleton as his VP candidate.
When Eagleton admitted that he had been given electroshock treatments, McGovern scrambled to replace him, finally settling for Sargent Shriver.
McGovern tanked right after that. Nixon won with no problem, in a landslide, but he got himself into hot water in the Watergate scandal during the 1972 campaign, and it cost him his career.
Sanders is not George McGovern.
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No, he's a socialist who went to the USSR on his honeymoon and supports tax hikes on the middle class.
Don't be naive. He'll be lucky to win VT.
Don't be naive. He'll be lucky to win VT.
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Who won more delegates yesterday? That's why they keep score.
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I'll never understand Clinton supporters. She is a Democrat In Name Only. She is bought and paid for by the large banks and special interest groups. She was a Republican while Sanders was getting arrested while engaging in protests supporting Civil Rights. In the 1990s she called black youth "super predators" and helped push her husband's crime bill. She supported and campaigns now on the legacy of NAFTA. She made a mess of foreign policy while Secretary of State. And she has repeatedly lied and obfuscated about her email server.
Honestly, if you support her, you might as well support Trump. They are cut from the same cloth. If she is the nominee, Trump will take her to the woodshed in swing states where independents will decide the election.
Honestly, if you support her, you might as well support Trump. They are cut from the same cloth. If she is the nominee, Trump will take her to the woodshed in swing states where independents will decide the election.
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@Bubble
I respectfully disagree, and suggest you Google to see just how long Bernie Sanders has been a registered Democrat. The answer may surprise you. And aside from the fact that the rest of your comment is built around over-used spins (Wall Street, Super Predator, Iraq War, etc,), you fail to make any substantial statement to favor Mr. Sanders -- that Civil Rights protests bit is singularly outdated....Still wonder he's found little, or no support from the "Minority" and African-American communities???
I respectfully disagree, and suggest you Google to see just how long Bernie Sanders has been a registered Democrat. The answer may surprise you. And aside from the fact that the rest of your comment is built around over-used spins (Wall Street, Super Predator, Iraq War, etc,), you fail to make any substantial statement to favor Mr. Sanders -- that Civil Rights protests bit is singularly outdated....Still wonder he's found little, or no support from the "Minority" and African-American communities???
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Agree wholeheartedly.
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How come the Times' picks have relatively low "recommend" numbers compared to the reader picks, some in the thousands?!?
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In all the commotion, Sanders' agenda is not being sufficiently reviewed. He wants us to pay more money for 4 year college than we pay for K-12, which is absurd. He wants national health care, which will change our health care drastically, and perhaps for the worse. Wait times and clinics for Medicaid recipients are terribly substandard. The fear that national health care will provide similarly substandard services to all is legitimate, and there is no indication that Sanders has thought this one through. As for our income tax system, contrary to popular belief, it is quite progressive now, taxing the wealthy at substantially higher rates than others. Taxing the wealthy at even higher rates may have negative consequences, causing them to move their money overseas. Moreover, the expensive programs Sanders proposes cannot be funded without substantial increases to middle class taxes, which he simply overlooks. And how Sanders is going to raise amounts paid by private employers remains a mystery. Perhaps he is planning to have private salaries dictated by the government. To say the lease, that represents a wholesale revision of the private enterprise system. Sanders targets the problem of inequality and proposes solutions that are radical and not well thought out. Now that he is a contender, he too needs to be vetted. My sense is that he is yet one more demagogue who is appealing to the young, the naive, and the uneducated.
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In all the talk about Sanders having the "youth" vote, it's forgotten that Sanders has folks under 45-50. (Depending on how the poll is structured.) 45-50-year-olds are not kids, and broaden Sanders' scope from youth to middle age. That's a big swath, and the soon-to-be Future of the Party.
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Not to mention us boomers who would walk over hot coals for Bernie. We care about what the country will be like for our grandchildren, a kinder and gentler country instead of the cutthroat country we have become.
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And some us near 60...we just think big, I was one of earliest Obama supporter too.
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from today's Detroit Free Press 3.30.est
With more than 2.5 million voters turning out for Michigan's presidential primary on Tuesday, the record set in 1972, when 1.9 million people cast ballots, was shattered.
Turnout in areas of Michigan was so high Tuesday that some clerks were reporting that some precincts were running out of ballots.The high number was fueled by a huge increase in absentee voting this year over previous elections.
Clerks ran out of ballots in Redford, Ingham County and in one precinct in Kent County. Additional ballots were quickly sent to those precincts, but some voters reported having to wait for more than an hour in line until more ballots were delivered.
Turnout was so high at a Redford Township polling station, Precinct 25, that the station ran out of Democratic ballots for at least half an hour, an organizer said.
The most optimistic Bernie supporter would not have predicted this outcome. Bernie was reported as not having a victory speech prepared.
the Times needs to get it's act together.
With more than 2.5 million voters turning out for Michigan's presidential primary on Tuesday, the record set in 1972, when 1.9 million people cast ballots, was shattered.
Turnout in areas of Michigan was so high Tuesday that some clerks were reporting that some precincts were running out of ballots.The high number was fueled by a huge increase in absentee voting this year over previous elections.
Clerks ran out of ballots in Redford, Ingham County and in one precinct in Kent County. Additional ballots were quickly sent to those precincts, but some voters reported having to wait for more than an hour in line until more ballots were delivered.
Turnout was so high at a Redford Township polling station, Precinct 25, that the station ran out of Democratic ballots for at least half an hour, an organizer said.
The most optimistic Bernie supporter would not have predicted this outcome. Bernie was reported as not having a victory speech prepared.
the Times needs to get it's act together.
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Hillary is still at it, see below; she is fundraising today with fracking investors.
What a character; is there any level she won't sink to.
Excerpt and link from the Intercept:
Hillary Clinton continues to fundraise with fracking investors, despite her assertion Sunday that she would largely curtail fracking inside the U.S.
Fracking is a controversial mining technique used to extract natural gas from shale rock. It releases vast quantities of methane into the atmosphere and groundwater, frequently poisoning the water supply of nearby communities.
On Wednesday, Clinton will appear at a $575-a-head fundraising lunch at a Ritz-Carlton Hotel on the Northern California coast hosted by Alisa Wood, a partner at the international private equity firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. (KKR).
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/09/hillary-clinton-wants-to-regulate-fr...
What a character; is there any level she won't sink to.
Excerpt and link from the Intercept:
Hillary Clinton continues to fundraise with fracking investors, despite her assertion Sunday that she would largely curtail fracking inside the U.S.
Fracking is a controversial mining technique used to extract natural gas from shale rock. It releases vast quantities of methane into the atmosphere and groundwater, frequently poisoning the water supply of nearby communities.
On Wednesday, Clinton will appear at a $575-a-head fundraising lunch at a Ritz-Carlton Hotel on the Northern California coast hosted by Alisa Wood, a partner at the international private equity firm Kohlberg Kravis Roberts & Co. (KKR).
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/09/hillary-clinton-wants-to-regulate-fr...
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The Intercept's Lee Fang recently wrote about media pundits commenting on cable news shows who don't reveal they are paid by the campaigns they discuss.The coverage is topsy-turvy.
Wonder if the media will mention today's Clinton's fundraiser with a private equity firm.
Wonder if the media will mention today's Clinton's fundraiser with a private equity firm.
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Many of Clinton’s largest fundraisers are lobbyists for oil and gas corporations. Some of her largest contribution bundlers are lobbyists representing Chevron, Cheniere Energy, and TransCanada — all companies that use fracking.
Prior to announcing her candidacy, Clinton also received $990,000 for speeches she made to the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce — a heavy investor in TransCanada and the Keystone XL pipeline.
After a rally in Iowa last December, Clinton claimed to be unaware she ever received donations from fossil fuel companies. “Well, I don’t know that I ever have. I’m not exactly one of their favorites,” she said. “Have I? OK, well, I’ll check on that. They certainly haven’t made that much of an impression on me if I don’t even know it.”
An investigation by Mother Jones found that Hillary Clinton personally lobbied for U.S. fracking rights overseas as secretary of state. Speaking at a 2010 conference of foreign ministers, Clinton said, “I know that in some places [it] is controversial, but [shale] gas is the cleanest fossil fuel available for power today.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/09/hillary-clinton-wants-to-regulate-fr...
Prior to announcing her candidacy, Clinton also received $990,000 for speeches she made to the Canadian Imperial Bank of Commerce — a heavy investor in TransCanada and the Keystone XL pipeline.
After a rally in Iowa last December, Clinton claimed to be unaware she ever received donations from fossil fuel companies. “Well, I don’t know that I ever have. I’m not exactly one of their favorites,” she said. “Have I? OK, well, I’ll check on that. They certainly haven’t made that much of an impression on me if I don’t even know it.”
An investigation by Mother Jones found that Hillary Clinton personally lobbied for U.S. fracking rights overseas as secretary of state. Speaking at a 2010 conference of foreign ministers, Clinton said, “I know that in some places [it] is controversial, but [shale] gas is the cleanest fossil fuel available for power today.”
https://theintercept.com/2016/03/09/hillary-clinton-wants-to-regulate-fr...
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Mel Farrell.... your 2 comments re Hillary and oil lobbyists are what columnists for the op ed page of our supposedly authoritative newspaper should write, but avoid.
Instead, it's the readers who must gather reports from other media, like the Intercept, and many others--say Robert Reich's blog, etc--- and put clips in their comments to the Times. That has become the main way to inform Times readers of the reality of our politics. Readers are way out in front of the op ed page now, and regard it as inadequate.
Instead, it's the readers who must gather reports from other media, like the Intercept, and many others--say Robert Reich's blog, etc--- and put clips in their comments to the Times. That has become the main way to inform Times readers of the reality of our politics. Readers are way out in front of the op ed page now, and regard it as inadequate.
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Ideally I would like to see a Trump vs Sanders showdown. I don't want Bernie as President, but I would prefer him over Hillary for sure if the GOP isn't going to win this time around. Trump over Sanders though.
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I'm a woman around Hillary's age. I remember at one time being very impressed with her. Now...I'm just so tired of her. She's no longer the woman I believed she was. Once strong...now ambitious. Once impressive...now tired... Once charismatic...now cunning. Another member of the Washington elite seeking to still stay on the payroll...with my tax dollars. Move over, Hillary. There's new ideas behind you. Feel the Bern!!
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Echo your age group and sentiments.
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Echo all....age group and sentiments.
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Lotta hate here for NYT political coverage, and have to agree: The coverage from NYT this political season just isn't up to snuff. The paper seems late to catch on to trends and slow to pivot, almost as if stories are pre-written.
Afraid I'm going to have to supplement my education this electoral season with the Washington Post.
Afraid I'm going to have to supplement my education this electoral season with the Washington Post.
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I suspect the Clinton narrative was supposed to go as this:
Clinton vs. a lackluster field of Democratic candidates (she needs to at least appear to have opposition). Since she's such a strong favorite, and her opposition so weak, she should win each primary contest decisively. With each win she would get larger and larger margins of victory, because her opposition was supposed to drop out early, and voter apathy would suppress opposition turn-out. The story on the Democratic side was supposed to be victory after victory for Clinton, whom the entire party unifies around. She would spend all her primary dollars attacking the Republican field, at the same time they were all attacking each other. After the conventions it's supposed to be unified democrats vs. fractured Republicans.
Clinton vs. a lackluster field of Democratic candidates (she needs to at least appear to have opposition). Since she's such a strong favorite, and her opposition so weak, she should win each primary contest decisively. With each win she would get larger and larger margins of victory, because her opposition was supposed to drop out early, and voter apathy would suppress opposition turn-out. The story on the Democratic side was supposed to be victory after victory for Clinton, whom the entire party unifies around. She would spend all her primary dollars attacking the Republican field, at the same time they were all attacking each other. After the conventions it's supposed to be unified democrats vs. fractured Republicans.
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Fran: I totally agree with you. I service in the military for 4 years sending and receiving message traffic both unclassified and classified.
If I did what she is "accused" of doing, I would have immediately been taken off the ship in handcuffs.
If I did what she is "accused" of doing, I would have immediately been taken off the ship in handcuffs.
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One thing I wish Bernie would do is clarify what his "socialism" means. I think a big problem with an avowed socialist winning is that a lot of Americans still believe that America "saved the world from communism" in the 80's. He should clarify what "democratic socialism" means. How is it different from the Marxist model? Does it mean our whole economy is planned by committees, or is there still room for people like Steve Jobs?
I cannot foresee Bernie winning without clarification on this matter. I'm guessing he is really calling for the sort of "mixed economy" you see in Europe, and there needs to be more said about how that is different from what we have in America now and the classic communist model.
I cannot foresee Bernie winning without clarification on this matter. I'm guessing he is really calling for the sort of "mixed economy" you see in Europe, and there needs to be more said about how that is different from what we have in America now and the classic communist model.
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Am Sanders supporter and I agree, he needs to start describing better to people.
I have listened to his in-depth interviews on NPR four years in three states long before 2008 so I am familiar with what his ideas and visions are and it would not be as people distort them which he sometimes has addressed but not enough.
Unfortunately in our country the debate format deliberately Is dumbed downs for many people it would be far better if in the debates they picked one topic and were allowed to sit across from each other and just discuss in depth with they feel about the issue or at least offer this type of discussion as an alternative to the sound bites that Americans are so used to.
I have listened to his in-depth interviews on NPR four years in three states long before 2008 so I am familiar with what his ideas and visions are and it would not be as people distort them which he sometimes has addressed but not enough.
Unfortunately in our country the debate format deliberately Is dumbed downs for many people it would be far better if in the debates they picked one topic and were allowed to sit across from each other and just discuss in depth with they feel about the issue or at least offer this type of discussion as an alternative to the sound bites that Americans are so used to.
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Search Bernie Sanders, read his speeches and your questions will be answered. There's a big difference between Socialism and Bernie's Democratic Socialism.
He is for repairing our broken infrastructure, which creates jobs and improves America, for better public education. the $15 an hour minimum wage, he's against privately owned prisons, and would nominate Supreme Court justices who are above politics. And that's just for starters.
He is for repairing our broken infrastructure, which creates jobs and improves America, for better public education. the $15 an hour minimum wage, he's against privately owned prisons, and would nominate Supreme Court justices who are above politics. And that's just for starters.
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Bernie did exactly that in a speech he gave three months ago at Georgetown University - see for example
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slkQohGDQCI
or
https://berniesanders.com/democratic-socialism-in-the-united-states/
I think you are right to be concerned about individual / economic freedom and unnecessary restrictions on freedom imposed by some committees or the state, but Bernie's vision of democratic socialism is not a planned economy. As a matter of fact, he argues that true individual freedom is not possible without economic security and I definitely agree.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slkQohGDQCI
or
https://berniesanders.com/democratic-socialism-in-the-united-states/
I think you are right to be concerned about individual / economic freedom and unnecessary restrictions on freedom imposed by some committees or the state, but Bernie's vision of democratic socialism is not a planned economy. As a matter of fact, he argues that true individual freedom is not possible without economic security and I definitely agree.
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There seems to be some white backlash to the African American lockstep voting in the South, even though Sanders proposals are more beneficial to African Americans than Clinton's. I am sure neither Sanders nor Clinton wants to happen this. Anyway, it is good to see that Sanders made some progress with African American voters. He needs to continue to work hard for minority vote in general for nomination and a win in general election.
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Perhaps the African American voters themselves might actually be the best judges of what candidate is "best" for them. It's hard to get the support of people for whom you lack that fundamental trust and respect.
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@Kodali
Your patronizing tone about Black voters is almost as insulting as what you have to say. First. African-Americans are not herd-animals that vote in lockstep, any more than Sanders' supporters respond in the same manner.
Second. To tout that "Sanders' proposals are more beneficial to African-Americans than Clinton's'" is a fallacy. Especially since Mr. Sanders is of the opinion that all Blacks live in ghettos, in need social welfare.
Third. If he were truly interested in working hard for the "minority vote", he would have worked hard for it before now.
Your patronizing tone about Black voters is almost as insulting as what you have to say. First. African-Americans are not herd-animals that vote in lockstep, any more than Sanders' supporters respond in the same manner.
Second. To tout that "Sanders' proposals are more beneficial to African-Americans than Clinton's'" is a fallacy. Especially since Mr. Sanders is of the opinion that all Blacks live in ghettos, in need social welfare.
Third. If he were truly interested in working hard for the "minority vote", he would have worked hard for it before now.
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Please find on you tube and watch, The End of Corporate Age. Shows you the decades Sanders was in Washington fighting for economic equality for all as a progressive. Do you not feel that being a Senator in Washington IS working hard for it? Is this not a unique position as is President or the judicial court to make social and political changes? By changing laws, by being a conscience to those who have been killing the middle class for decades in that cesspool. he was a David in a city of Goliath's and he had the backbone to never sell out, few in that slick slimy sleazy place could possibly say. We do not all have to walk the same path in life to find ourselves on a journey together down the long road. Is this not what the marches were about, I was a small child living in the south and MLK influenced my progressive views deeply. As did the Kennedy's. The downtrodden of all flavors are ready for the message now, that is all. If Bernie was taking super pac money I would not listen, would be meaningless hollow words, but truly that is the biggest issue: WHERE IS THE MONEY COMING FROM. But really the following comment is right we should each get to cast our vote the way we want, it is the LAST power we each have. Our democracy is long gone to the oligarchs, Trump and Bernie are breaking this up supported by Americans who have had it.
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How dare Senator Sanders wins "threaten to prolong the Democratic campaign"! For goodness sakes NYT have a meeting about your bias as it threatens to prolong your discouraging lack of integrity.
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So what if the southern states Clinton has won gives her a delegates lead at this point. Those states have not voted for a Democrat in the presidential election for decades.
If only the media..including you, NYT...would present Sanders instead of suppressing him. Especially needed for our African-American citizens.
Black Lives Matter? Bernie thought they did and stood up for them as far back as the early 1960s...even getting arrested while chained to a black woman. And for what...politics ? NO...solely for the injustice. That is the character of the man !!
Let the people know...Let the people decide...Let them speak !!!
If only the media..including you, NYT...would present Sanders instead of suppressing him. Especially needed for our African-American citizens.
Black Lives Matter? Bernie thought they did and stood up for them as far back as the early 1960s...even getting arrested while chained to a black woman. And for what...politics ? NO...solely for the injustice. That is the character of the man !!
Let the people know...Let the people decide...Let them speak !!!
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She won the Confederate States of America another country.
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Flood gates opening...how are you holding up NYT?
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Remember this newspaper's role in promoting the invasion of Iraq.
Does the name "Judith Miller" ring a bell? If not, Google is your friend.
Does the name "Judith Miller" ring a bell? If not, Google is your friend.
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This newspaper flogged the Whitewater non-story for years too, only one of the countless faux scandals that constitute the "baggage" foisted on Hillary to this day.
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Why can't the NY times have a separate article about the Bernie win with his picture? What a joke.
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Even better - this morning's NPR online teaser that was just about Bernie's win in Michigan included a single photo -- of Trump.
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It may be that a lot of people will be eating their fair share of crow pie (and I mean the whole bird: feathers, head, beak and all) including all the smug right wing radio hosts: Levin, Limbaugh, Medved, et al, too many TV pundits to mention, Karl Rove and all the other apparatchiks of the Republican Party.
You have to give the man his due. After what was (and continues to be) the most concerted media attack on a presidential candidate by his own party in HISTORY he's shown more sheer courage than all of them put together, breaking multiple gang tackles in an unparalleled feat of political broken field running . . .and I mean broken field!
You have to give the man his due. After what was (and continues to be) the most concerted media attack on a presidential candidate by his own party in HISTORY he's shown more sheer courage than all of them put together, breaking multiple gang tackles in an unparalleled feat of political broken field running . . .and I mean broken field!
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Indeed! Tremendous courage the kind a great leader of the people need during what has become is becoming desperate times. I love Obama as a person and supported him but this depth of courage, much like MLK, he lacked. Each great man has his time and people are ready for this message,one he has called out for decades, a true David and GoliathS story, plurals intended.
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We have seen a lot of talk about how the Republican party is done for. The Democratic party will be similarly damaged if Sanders wins the popular vote or a majority of delegates based on primaries/caucuses, but Clinton is awarded the nomination via super-delegates. Shame on the Democratic party for instituting such an un-democratic way to choose the delegate. And shame on the NYT for astonishingly biased coverage in general and for flogging the super-delegates to try to convince voters that a Clinton candidacy is inevitable and to try to persuade Sanders to give up.
Many thanks to the people of Michigan who didn't fall for this, and to Sanders for pushing on and staying true to his beliefs in spite of overwhelming odds and almost all mainstream media aligned against him. I suppose the NYT can claim to be slighly less biased than another news outlet. The Washington Post ran 16 negative articles about Sanders in 16 hours: http://www.fair.org/static/bernie-static.html
Many thanks to the people of Michigan who didn't fall for this, and to Sanders for pushing on and staying true to his beliefs in spite of overwhelming odds and almost all mainstream media aligned against him. I suppose the NYT can claim to be slighly less biased than another news outlet. The Washington Post ran 16 negative articles about Sanders in 16 hours: http://www.fair.org/static/bernie-static.html
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I'm not sure why everyone is so surprised at Sanders' win in MI considering the majority of organization which endorse him are unions.
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Hillary, I believe, has the most union endorsements..
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White dog whistle listeners?
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Yes, they should vote for Sanders in the Midwest, but there is an enormous amount of voting-against one's interest there. That's why we see Michiganders elect a Republican governor who votes in "Right-to-Work" legislation, in a state whose economy revolves completely around the Big 3.
Hasn’t anyone noticed that Hillary’s strength is primarily among black evangelicals in Southern “red states” that in November will cast all—or almost all—of their electoral votes for the Republican presidential candidate. At least Bernie’s delegates come from “blur states” that in November are likely to vote for the Democrat candidate.
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William Case - usually you just post trollish poison about black crime rates cribbed from the right wing blogoshphere, interesting to see you posing as a Bernie fan.
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So we should pick as nominee the candidate who appeals almost exclusively to voters in states that are already blue, and ignore the one who demonstrates the kind of crossover appeal that can tip mixed states like VA, NC and Florida?
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The fact that you start the article characterizing Bernie Sanders as a "threat" reveals your predilection to influencing the election instead of accurately reporting it. When will the mainstream press stop being surprised at Bernie Sanders' continued and growing support among many thousands of people nationwide from many demographics?
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Sanders has cornered a restless and motivated youth and is the future, Clinton is the incremental present and every Republican candidate is a in a race to the sad past.
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Some of us oldies have been Sanders supporters for decade plus!
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Now all you have to do is convince everyone else...a change in choice of rhetoric might help.
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Put the media coverage aside.
Ask and research the following:
(A) Who is this nominee? What strengths and weaknesses does each possess?
What has their respective policies, pronuciations and practices been? Where does their financial campaign funding come from {PACs vs. the People]. Is the nominee transparent? Or just say, "I am transparent but refuses to disclose speeches or funding sources by name?
(B) Does the nominee seek self enrichment under the quise of representing just a segment of the population? What does their past personal and political careers, positions and vision of a future entail? [Hint: After years in politics, what is the nominee's worth? Under a million? Moree than ten million? More than thirty million? Where does the person reside? In a white, wealthy community with locked gates? Live within reach of the nominee's supporters and electors?
(C) What is each nominee's program for American and all Americans? Or is the program a lot of political mumble jumble which gets the nominee elected but does not really address the needs, wants and concerns of most Americans?
(D) Is the nominee a favorite of the Pentagon and secrecy and more than less ready to go to war?
Many persons have said the above is a pretty clear path to making a decision.
Whomever you support, make a small (or as large as possible contribution) as you can. Register and vote.
Thank you.
Ask and research the following:
(A) Who is this nominee? What strengths and weaknesses does each possess?
What has their respective policies, pronuciations and practices been? Where does their financial campaign funding come from {PACs vs. the People]. Is the nominee transparent? Or just say, "I am transparent but refuses to disclose speeches or funding sources by name?
(B) Does the nominee seek self enrichment under the quise of representing just a segment of the population? What does their past personal and political careers, positions and vision of a future entail? [Hint: After years in politics, what is the nominee's worth? Under a million? Moree than ten million? More than thirty million? Where does the person reside? In a white, wealthy community with locked gates? Live within reach of the nominee's supporters and electors?
(C) What is each nominee's program for American and all Americans? Or is the program a lot of political mumble jumble which gets the nominee elected but does not really address the needs, wants and concerns of most Americans?
(D) Is the nominee a favorite of the Pentagon and secrecy and more than less ready to go to war?
Many persons have said the above is a pretty clear path to making a decision.
Whomever you support, make a small (or as large as possible contribution) as you can. Register and vote.
Thank you.
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Clever "push-poll"technique there, ed --propaganda disguised as "neutal" questions. I have some direct questions to ask:
(1) Which candidate has a detailed plan for a clear path to winning 270 electoral votes in November?
(2) Which candidate is seen by the Republicans as the greater threat, based on how they invest resources in negative campaigning?
(3) The efficiencies of a single-payer system will eliminate millions of stable middle-class jobs in insurance and related areas, like medical bllling clerks, all over the country. What viable approach can win the many voters for whom single-payer represents a pink slip, not a blessing?
Thank you! And be sure to register and vote for Democrats, and support their campaigns at all levels!
(1) Which candidate has a detailed plan for a clear path to winning 270 electoral votes in November?
(2) Which candidate is seen by the Republicans as the greater threat, based on how they invest resources in negative campaigning?
(3) The efficiencies of a single-payer system will eliminate millions of stable middle-class jobs in insurance and related areas, like medical bllling clerks, all over the country. What viable approach can win the many voters for whom single-payer represents a pink slip, not a blessing?
Thank you! And be sure to register and vote for Democrats, and support their campaigns at all levels!
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Democrats don't have the guts to nominate someone who is not deceitful, manipulative, selfish, self centered, and glued to the corporate elite. Beware, working class whites and blacks need jobs, and they may cross over to vote for Trump should he win. Hillary put our country at risk with her e-mail set up @ home, and then was flippant about it with the full up support of the elite media not doing their job. Sanders is a huge improvement though a real centrist would be best (are there any left in Democrat Pary?)
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What?? -- Are you the new self-appointed spokesperson for ALL Democrats???
Sorry. There are actually some people who don't have to hide behind pluralisms in order to have their voice heard.
Sorry. There are actually some people who don't have to hide behind pluralisms in order to have their voice heard.
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Ah, a rant that's spicy, high on red meat protein, plus gluten-free and fact-free! Sounds worthy of the Trump brand label.
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It's really racist to talk about "the black vote." That reduces all black people to a single race. Way to stereotype. Every time you describe the black vote, you are ignoring the individualism and independence of each black person, and that is exactly what we are trying to fight in the quest for racial equality.
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ZL - its the old game - they are also posting intentional provocative buzz and whistle words to work us up and turn us off from the polls. They are so sorely mistaken.
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As an ardent Bernie supporter and a southern white female, let's be careful about dismissing the southern black vote. While I'm the first to raise my hand and say 'I don't get it' hopefully the Sanders team is. It may not win the southern states, but it is no less important to understand. Lord knows we won't get any such insight from the media.
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Last week, in very quick succession, the Republican political (Romney & McCain), economic (a bunch of hedge fund managers and heads of big business) and foreign policy (the same neocons advisors who pushed the Iraq War) establishment all publicly came out against Trump. Are these guys idiots? Are they so tone-deaf that they fail to realize that their denunciations will not only not stop Trump, but will in fact make him more popular, not only among Republicans but among Independents and some Democrats to boot?
A number of the foreign policy neocons and hedge fund managers actually declared that they would vote for Clinton if Trump was the Republican nominee. He can point to this and say, "Look what these jerks did to our economy and to our soldiers while lining their own pockets along the way. Now they're against me and for Hillary. That means you should be for me." It's an appeal that can get a lot of crossover votes.
A number of the foreign policy neocons and hedge fund managers actually declared that they would vote for Clinton if Trump was the Republican nominee. He can point to this and say, "Look what these jerks did to our economy and to our soldiers while lining their own pockets along the way. Now they're against me and for Hillary. That means you should be for me." It's an appeal that can get a lot of crossover votes.
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$625,00 for three secret speeches.
Think!!
Think!!
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Times execs are meeting now on the best way to spin Sanders' next win.
Readers will be watching the headlines. We get it.
With coverage like this, how will the Times attract future readers of the younger generation, who are obviously way more progressive? They're the ones suffering from life times college debt, lower paying jobs, and lack of unions and apprenticeships. Their whole lifetime earnings are affected by these burdens that our congress and leaders allowed.
Where are the columnists who will express their views? We're not getting the range of opinion that's fit to print, and necessary.
Readers will be watching the headlines. We get it.
With coverage like this, how will the Times attract future readers of the younger generation, who are obviously way more progressive? They're the ones suffering from life times college debt, lower paying jobs, and lack of unions and apprenticeships. Their whole lifetime earnings are affected by these burdens that our congress and leaders allowed.
Where are the columnists who will express their views? We're not getting the range of opinion that's fit to print, and necessary.
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I'm not sure why this is such a huge surprise to so many, especially when so many college kids turned out to vote for Sanders. What do college kids want? Free stuff of course and they're going to support the person who offers the most free stuff (and of course he/she who "cares" most about them and can offer unlimited "safe spaces"). It's sort of like when credit card companies offered two-liters of soda on college campuses. You get a free two-liter of Pepsi for filling out a credit application, but the campus folk don't necessarily consider who has to pay the credit card bill down the road. Same logic applies here. If a 74-year old socialist from Vermont is offering a metaphorical free two-liter, sign 'em up.
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The questionable integrity of Donald Trump has been revealed in plain sight, and it is a wonder why anyone would vote for him at this point. But so be it. He has already gone off the rails of sensibility and pragmatism. I just hope it is Sanders who will face him. And perhaps by then, Sanders will simplify his rhetoric so those eclipsed by 5th grader mentality will actually see his merits. Hillary has some skeletons that have come out of the closet, video records of completely conflicting positions... which does not bode well for her.
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Everyone, EVERYONE has skeletons of one kind or another tucked in the closet. The GOP attack dogs just haven't pulled them out of Bernie's closet yet. Trust me. If he's the nominee, it will get uglier than you can imagine.
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I don't understand the animosity between Clinton and Sanders' supporters. I'm supporting and voting for Senator Sanders in the primary, hopeful he'll be the Democratic nominee. He will lay the groundwork for future Democratic presidential candidates (Warren, Booker, Gabbard). If HRC is the nominee (more likely with each passing primary), I will vote for her, warts and all, in November. It is absolutely crucial this country keep the White House in Democratic hands in November.
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@Phil
I too don't understand the unwarranted animosity between supporters any more than I understand why the exact same point I made about this never made it to print.
Still, it's a good question I think. Especially since any rift in the Democratic Party will only open the gates to a Trump win. A very unsettling thought.
I too don't understand the unwarranted animosity between supporters any more than I understand why the exact same point I made about this never made it to print.
Still, it's a good question I think. Especially since any rift in the Democratic Party will only open the gates to a Trump win. A very unsettling thought.
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No it is not. It is important to elect the best president and gain control of the Senste. But more importantly Americans must get involved everyday so their government and lives are not compromised.
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Why? She's a Democrat in Name Only (DINO). What good is it to have her in the White House? You might as well vote for Trump, he and Clinton are cut from the same cloth.
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I am supporting Hillary but am not-anti-Bernie - but I don't think Bernie has a snowball's chance of beating Trump, the likely nominee. And I am perplexed that Kasich did not get more votes in Michigan and, indeed, came in 3rd, slightly behind Cruz. Because Michigan was an open primary, I think a number of more centrist voters weighed in on the Democratic race, which was close, instead of electing to vote in the Republican party, possibly for Kasich.
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Much conjecture and no facts.
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That fact that you are perplexed that Kasich did not get more votes in MI shows why you are clueless that Sanders can't beat Trump. Indeed, you entire post sums up why the DNC and the blind Clinton followers are way behind the curve on this.
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The media is driving this narrative that since Hillary lost Michigan, her campaign is seemingly "done for" which is ridiculous. People who aren't political-savy seems to forget the goal of the presidential campaign is to get the most delegates, who can reach the finish line. Hate to break it to Sanders supporters but he is behind Hillary by about 200 delegates, minus the Super Delegates. Sure, Hillary lost Michigan by 1.5%, but the match is close nonetheless which is comparable to the Ohio a while back. She got half of Michigan delegates which is still a win for Hillary. Had Hillary lost Michigan by a landslide, it would have been a different story but the match is close. The media spin of Hillary's lost is hardly an "upset" since she did well in Michigan by obtaining half the delegates.
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Hillary, (the once Goldwater girl) is a Rockefeller Republican who will support her corporatist brethren just as her Democratic predecessors Bill (nafta) and Barrack (TPP, no prosecution of banksters) have. She is another same talking head but wearing a skirt and you can be assured that with Hillary greed will continue to buy power and influence.
Bernie conversely is ethical and is trying to awaken the American public from their corporate induced stupor and remove the influence peddling out of politics.
Bernie conversely is ethical and is trying to awaken the American public from their corporate induced stupor and remove the influence peddling out of politics.
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@ex-Wall Streeter - chicago- I notice that you, like Bernie Sanders, post the same ad hominem attack over and over again, regardless of the context, nearly unchanged, word for word. Hillary Clinton went to work hands on in deep south with the poor and African American community when she was still in college. So, cut the repetitious big lie and ask yourself, why does Sanders come across as insincere, superficial and opportunistic to the African American Community - I mean the bros in the ghettho hood of course to all you hipsters. Oiy!! So embarrassing. Bernie has been spending his hundred of millions on negative ads against a fellow democrat that will be our next President. How dumb is that?
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There is not one ORIGINAL thought in this comment. The exact SAME trope can be read over a thousand times in this section...And it's sexist too!
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In a way Sanders is the parallel of Trump. Both are gravitating to many people's emotions about this country, the state we're in and the status quo. To that end I respect that they've not been hesitant to speak against the partisanship in their parties. But can either of them bring the parities and lawmakers they deal with together so there's real progress? That's the question that I can't seem to find an answer for yet.
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Sanders has been in the trenches for decades dealing with the other side.
That's why he would be the best bet.
Mainly he cares about YOU!!
That's why he would be the best bet.
Mainly he cares about YOU!!
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@w
OK --- First. WHICH "trenches"?
Second. WHAT/ WHO?? is "the other side".
Third. WHO?? is it he mainly "care" about???
Just asking...
OK --- First. WHICH "trenches"?
Second. WHAT/ WHO?? is "the other side".
Third. WHO?? is it he mainly "care" about???
Just asking...
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Hillary Clinton's wins in the minority dominated southern states Democratic Party primaries is absolutely meaningless. These southern states will vote Republican in the general election. The Midwest states hate her constantly triangulating and shifting position on trade agreements that have devastated employment. The TPP was first, the gold standard, and now she is against it. She was for the pipeline, approved it at the Dept. of State, and then changed her mind when Tom Steyer promised a $1 million donation if the pipeline was defeated. She has effectively come out against gun manufacturers which will alienate Democratic voters in the midwest and mountain states. We have, again, seen that Hillary has no core principles and will pander whichever way the wind blows. Debbie and Hillary froze out the competition early and hoped for a quick win. The problem is that Debbie is dealing with the most corrupt political family in modern U. S. history and that's a hard category to win! As a life-long Democrat, I may have to vote for The Donald if Hillary is the nominee. Very sad state of affairs.
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I have also noticed that Baxter F. from Philadelphia has posted word for word the same threat- life long demo blah blah I'll vote for Trump if I can't have my Bernie. Why do I think you're really for Cruz or Trump? Guess.
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This will seem nuts to everybody, and I don't know of anyone else suggesting something so "crazy" but here goes.
There's a lot of talk about our narcissitic greedy, virtually money-worshipping consumerism-addled economic model on the one hand ravaging our democracy and national character from within, and the threat of jihadist terrorism from without. We're like a self destructing Elsinore with Fortinbras always ready to strike at a moment of vulnerability, or even to march in unopposed when we just wreck ourselves. Military might is our sole answer to our nemesis.
Has it occurred to the electorate that if we were less of a hyper decadent narcissistic materialistic money worshipping society, one palpably committed to more spiritual and noble principles, there might be fewer jihadists out to destroy us? Sounds naive, but most not-absolutely-jaded and cynical notions will: that's the water we swim in.
So to not be totally out of place I'll put in in Machivaellia And n calculus terms: yes we need military might, but like Elsinore it's about having our own house in order. If we're a less decadent, we can expect fewer enemies. And no, jihad is not just about envying the west: they think we're evil because, in a word, they think this whole country is like one big Trump Plaza. If this election goes the wrong way they'll moreover have a point. Bernie offers the cultural side of the way to be safer, combatting Wall Street dominance of our culture.
There's a lot of talk about our narcissitic greedy, virtually money-worshipping consumerism-addled economic model on the one hand ravaging our democracy and national character from within, and the threat of jihadist terrorism from without. We're like a self destructing Elsinore with Fortinbras always ready to strike at a moment of vulnerability, or even to march in unopposed when we just wreck ourselves. Military might is our sole answer to our nemesis.
Has it occurred to the electorate that if we were less of a hyper decadent narcissistic materialistic money worshipping society, one palpably committed to more spiritual and noble principles, there might be fewer jihadists out to destroy us? Sounds naive, but most not-absolutely-jaded and cynical notions will: that's the water we swim in.
So to not be totally out of place I'll put in in Machivaellia And n calculus terms: yes we need military might, but like Elsinore it's about having our own house in order. If we're a less decadent, we can expect fewer enemies. And no, jihad is not just about envying the west: they think we're evil because, in a word, they think this whole country is like one big Trump Plaza. If this election goes the wrong way they'll moreover have a point. Bernie offers the cultural side of the way to be safer, combatting Wall Street dominance of our culture.
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Between the shilling for Hillary and the dunning of Donald, the Times exhibits its strong biases. The fact that Bernie came back from a 20-pt polling deficit to beat Hillary is a huge win that has some real implications for her in IL, OH, WI and IN.
I find it interesting that when the populace expresses an opinion that is inconsistent with the doctrine of the establishment (right or left), there are accusations of "uneducated voters," "immature youth," and - my favorite - "angry white men." Yet most of the shootings in the country are committed by distinctly non-white men, most work-place grievances are filed by non-white men, and the most significant protest movement of the moment (BLM) does not include white men.
It's a strange world of spin and interpretive politics that we live in.
I find it interesting that when the populace expresses an opinion that is inconsistent with the doctrine of the establishment (right or left), there are accusations of "uneducated voters," "immature youth," and - my favorite - "angry white men." Yet most of the shootings in the country are committed by distinctly non-white men, most work-place grievances are filed by non-white men, and the most significant protest movement of the moment (BLM) does not include white men.
It's a strange world of spin and interpretive politics that we live in.
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Winning Mississippi should have no impact in the Democratic primary. Democrats don't win general elections in Mississippi. Bernie's win in Michigan shows a truer picture of how a Democratic victory can be accomplished. Blacks and whites lost big time
during the meltdown. They lost their houses and their jobs. We have to put people before profit.
during the meltdown. They lost their houses and their jobs. We have to put people before profit.
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"Winning Mississippi should have no impact in the Democratic primary."
By this reasoning, Clinton and not Obama should have been the nominee in 2008. As Obama secured the nomination thanks to his performance in the Southern states. Is this what Bernie supporters are endorsing: that Clinton should have been President and not Obama?
Let's not change the rules while the show is on the road. Vote for whomever you support now and come September, please vote for whomever is running against Trump/Cruz.
By this reasoning, Clinton and not Obama should have been the nominee in 2008. As Obama secured the nomination thanks to his performance in the Southern states. Is this what Bernie supporters are endorsing: that Clinton should have been President and not Obama?
Let's not change the rules while the show is on the road. Vote for whomever you support now and come September, please vote for whomever is running against Trump/Cruz.
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The Sanders crowd change their brag with every losing result into a crow of victory. Hope they all didn't lose a bundle at Trump U too.
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"But none of the major cable news networks carried her (Mrs. Clinton's) remarks, which came as Mr. Trump was speaking."
This is why Donald Trump has done so well with minimal advertising. Why buy media presence when you can get it for free? If he is our next president, blame the media's breathless coverage of him.
This is why Donald Trump has done so well with minimal advertising. Why buy media presence when you can get it for free? If he is our next president, blame the media's breathless coverage of him.
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Times are tough, for sure, but sometimes the decisions one needs to make under difficult circumstances are easy. Case in point: taking the money I've been paying to the NYT for my digital subscription (and by extension, HRC's campaign) and sending it to the Sanders campaign instead. So easy.
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Bernie Sanders is doing Hillary Clinton a big favor: making her more competitive, getting her to sweat, and toughening her up. And if she can't take the heat now, then she doesn't deserve to be the Democratic nominee or the president of the United States.
No one is entitled to lead an organization or a country. Mr. Sanders is making that perfectly clear.
No one is entitled to lead an organization or a country. Mr. Sanders is making that perfectly clear.
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Whoever wins, I hope they have the humility to admit that they only carry the mandate of half their party, and they take that into consideration when setting policy goals and choosing a running mate. Clinton/Warren 2016!!
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Your logic would suggest that Clinton/Sanders in 2016 would unite the party's vote and end this childish whining and bickering from the Sanders Sand box.
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I'm fine with Bernie running hard. I'm happy with the debates. And I agree that without Bernie we'd be listening to Republican propaganda and Trump 24/7. I just think that the Bernie trolls have to distinguish between the Democratic Party and the Republicans. Right now they're falling into the old New Left Trap. Hate thy brother Help thine enemy.
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Is there really that much of a difference between the positions of Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders? I took the quiz on isidewith.com and got the following scores for the two candidates: Bernie Sanders 95, Hillary Clinton 94. What's 1 point among friends? The main difference seems to be their respective foreign policies. Ms. Clinton is more hawkish, but not to the extent that you'd think if all you know about her position comes from the comment sections of various newspaper articles.
My point is is that the sane portion of America's voting population has got to unite behind whoever wins the Democratic nomination. Having a President Trump, or, gods forbid, a President Cruz would be disastrous - the beginning of the end of America's middle class and representative democracy. If the supporters of the losing Democratic candidate stay at home, they’ll be abetting the destruction of everything that Mr. Sanders and Ms. Clinton wish to build.
My point is is that the sane portion of America's voting population has got to unite behind whoever wins the Democratic nomination. Having a President Trump, or, gods forbid, a President Cruz would be disastrous - the beginning of the end of America's middle class and representative democracy. If the supporters of the losing Democratic candidate stay at home, they’ll be abetting the destruction of everything that Mr. Sanders and Ms. Clinton wish to build.
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There are HUGE differences between their positions: the minimum wage, the disastrous trade agreements, the regulation of Wall Street, breaking up the big banks, healthcare, how much to invest in our crumbling infrastructure, climate change (fracking, etc.), expanding Social Security, tuition-free public colleges, having the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share of taxes, and so much more.
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Mather - your points are all spot on and way too logical and polite for the Bernmeister tribe. Froth, pride and prejudice is their bag - strictly Williamsburg/Venice Beach radicals.
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The super-delegates will go, just like 2008, to the candidate with the majority of the pledged delegates. They don't really serve a function in a two-candidate nomination race. But I bet the RNC wishes it had them.
Senator Sanders accomplished something special in Michigan. In a week he has a chance to do the same in Ohio and Florida, two absolutely necessary states for the Democrats in November. If he does, then he will almost certainly get the nomination. If he loses both, he's done. If he splits again, and fails to narrow the 200 or so pledged delegate gap between him and Secretary Clinton then the race goes on, with California and New York the decisive states.
Senator Sanders accomplished something special in Michigan. In a week he has a chance to do the same in Ohio and Florida, two absolutely necessary states for the Democrats in November. If he does, then he will almost certainly get the nomination. If he loses both, he's done. If he splits again, and fails to narrow the 200 or so pledged delegate gap between him and Secretary Clinton then the race goes on, with California and New York the decisive states.
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The biggest winner last night was not either Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, but the Victim Party. This is a trans-ideological grouping that blames the nation's difficulties and often their personal situation on an elite or establishment with those two terms are defined as other people who disagree with them. I am not impressed.
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If Mrs. Clinton is allowed to become president, any remaining faith in the American judicial system will have been destroyed. Anyone else similarly situated would be indicted for felony, sentenced, receive legal punishment. Sadly, she may be beyond the law.
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Why all the histrionics cb? Clinton has served with distinction as SoS and your parroting of far right wing nut drivel leads me to suspect that you are a far right wing nut. Neo cons can't absorb the fact that they can't water board at will. Sorry. In this mundane world, Trump is in a lot more trouble, and truly is in danger of being prosecuted on his greed, avarice and victimization of those taken in by his Trump U scam. Look at this picture and tell me he doesn't look worried. Can't get those Hispanic judges to recuse themselves when you so order? Ah the perfidy!
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@cb
Just in case you didn't know it, the American Judicial system tends to pass judgement only AFTER the defendant has been "proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt".
Just in case you didn't know it, the American Judicial system tends to pass judgement only AFTER the defendant has been "proven guilty beyond all reasonable doubt".
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Here is what I am reading today
"CNN exit polls showed that Sanders outperformed Clinton among voters who are "very worried" about the U.S. economy, 56% to 40%.
Among voters who believe international trade takes away American jobs, Sanders also led Clinton, 56% to 43% — a sign that Sanders' populist economic message resonated in Michigan.
In another troubling sign for the Clinton campaign, among voters who said their most important priority in a presidential candidate is that they are honest and trustworthy, Sanders overwhelmingly outperformed Clinton, 80% to 19%.
While Mrs. Clinton won Democrats by 16 points, Mr. Sanders won independents, who made up less than a third of the electorate, by 42 points, according to exit polls."
The question for me is whether Hillary Clinton and the Clinton campaign will learn from those dynamics and concerns, or will they continue to run a conventional campaign that may make her the nominee and lose her the general election.
"CNN exit polls showed that Sanders outperformed Clinton among voters who are "very worried" about the U.S. economy, 56% to 40%.
Among voters who believe international trade takes away American jobs, Sanders also led Clinton, 56% to 43% — a sign that Sanders' populist economic message resonated in Michigan.
In another troubling sign for the Clinton campaign, among voters who said their most important priority in a presidential candidate is that they are honest and trustworthy, Sanders overwhelmingly outperformed Clinton, 80% to 19%.
While Mrs. Clinton won Democrats by 16 points, Mr. Sanders won independents, who made up less than a third of the electorate, by 42 points, according to exit polls."
The question for me is whether Hillary Clinton and the Clinton campaign will learn from those dynamics and concerns, or will they continue to run a conventional campaign that may make her the nominee and lose her the general election.
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If it weren't for politics, where would Bernie Sanders be today? Still working odd jobs and writing silly satirical essays for obscure alternative publications? The man was really never able to hold down a job until he started winning races in Vermont, and since then he's enjoy 3 decades in the House and Senate, with all the lucrative benefits that entails, and he really hasn't had to do anything except make angry speeches every now and again explaining why he's against what everyone else in Congress wants...
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There are none so blind as those who will not see.
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If it weren't for Bill Clinton, where would Hillary Clinton be today?
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Likely a retired president. She would have run younger and without Bill's baggage.
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As I read the pro Hillary comments, (which I've been doing daily, for weeks), it is astonishing how much pent up anger resides in the hearts of her supporters; many are openly derisive, disparaging Mr. Sanders, at every opportunity, and the level of vitriol leveled against supporters of Mr. Sanders, is particularly revealing.
Any reasonable individual, aware of the Times open and notorious bias against Sanders, (impossible to not be aware), in defiance of the formidable numbers supporting him, essentially dismissing them outright, should be outraged that an established mainstream media outlet, which has enjoyed the respect of its subscribers, including myself, and read worldwide, is deliberately seeking to mange the outcome of the United States Presidential election, in favor of Mrs. Clinton.
This not the Times I've been reading for 50 plus years, and I simply do not get it, unless the fear of Sanders ending the status quo has so rattled the Plutocratic Oligarchy ruling the nation, the Times is being very carefully monitored, and has thrown caution to the wind, in an all out effort to maintain the status quo.
This is seen only in nations run by despots, where the election process is a farce, and the existing leadership is kept in place, albeit with a different face.
Hillary and her handlers had presumed the election was in the bag; never in their wildest imaginings did they think the electorate was so distraught they would support anyone but her.
Have we fallen this far.
Any reasonable individual, aware of the Times open and notorious bias against Sanders, (impossible to not be aware), in defiance of the formidable numbers supporting him, essentially dismissing them outright, should be outraged that an established mainstream media outlet, which has enjoyed the respect of its subscribers, including myself, and read worldwide, is deliberately seeking to mange the outcome of the United States Presidential election, in favor of Mrs. Clinton.
This not the Times I've been reading for 50 plus years, and I simply do not get it, unless the fear of Sanders ending the status quo has so rattled the Plutocratic Oligarchy ruling the nation, the Times is being very carefully monitored, and has thrown caution to the wind, in an all out effort to maintain the status quo.
This is seen only in nations run by despots, where the election process is a farce, and the existing leadership is kept in place, albeit with a different face.
Hillary and her handlers had presumed the election was in the bag; never in their wildest imaginings did they think the electorate was so distraught they would support anyone but her.
Have we fallen this far.
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@Mel Farrell - I am struck at the different papers we seem to be reading. Bernie fans whine in victory, brag when they lose, and lack any social graces, constantly threatening to bolt the party most of them only occasionally bother to vote for.
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Best summation of this topic in months...thank you.
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@Farrell
With all due respect, your one-sided assessment is as one-sided as your one-sided accusations. You are either overlooking ALL of the comments made by BOTH sides, or you are acting to splinter the vote further to benefit Mr. Trump.
Sorry. Only those who have fallen know how far it is.
With all due respect, your one-sided assessment is as one-sided as your one-sided accusations. You are either overlooking ALL of the comments made by BOTH sides, or you are acting to splinter the vote further to benefit Mr. Trump.
Sorry. Only those who have fallen know how far it is.
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It really is perplexing to see Bernie devotees on here complaining about the coverage of their narrow win in Michigan. Let's recount what happened yesterday. Hillary won more votes by a long shot yesterday, added to her delegate lead and yet the headline screams about a Bernie victory? It's Hillary that should be complaining about this coverage. I guess the privilege of being a white man in America gives you the right to declare a resounding victory even though you lost badly.
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It only seemed locked up to Clinton supporters, never to Sanders supporters.
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Never seemed locked up to us either. Keep practicing that mental telepathy -- it may someday improve!
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Don't put words in my mouth. And I prefer 'African American individual,' to 'southern black' - if you're interested in being respectful.
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As for Trump, he can gloat now, but he can't escape the end game: The bigger they come, the harder they fall.
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It appears a lot of people are still waiting and hoping for a changed America, the promise of another step forward and another New Deal for all. That is what Sanders stands for and that is what HRC will never deliver. With HRC it's just more of the same and we are all pretty tired of that perspective.
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And the ship will keep sinking and then we may see real blood.
"More of the same" looks pretty darn good compared to Donald Trump. Sanders is no more able to delver the New New Deal than Clinton. For that, you need Congress.
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Elsewhere in the dream world of progressives :
The Lakers trounced the Warriors last Sunday. It looks like the Lakers have a real shot to win another NBA title. Feel the Lake.
Reality be darned.
The Lakers trounced the Warriors last Sunday. It looks like the Lakers have a real shot to win another NBA title. Feel the Lake.
Reality be darned.
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RE: Hillary's Wall Street speech transcripts. Forget them. They're meaningless. Hillary needs to return the money to Goldman Sachs and the other banks or better yet donate it to the treasury. And while she's at it donate any money collected from colleges, universities, and their alumni associations. What kind of "public servant" puts her palm out and demands $200K to meeting and speaking with college kids?
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One who is currently a private citizen and chooses to earn her livelihood in the public speaking business. I know other people who choose this occupation and don't routinely give away their stock in trade gratis, And they are paid based on their abilities and the demand for it.
Have you ever asked for a list of places where she spoke without charge? What career and salary would have been acceptable to you? I'm betting that even if she'd returned to private life and become a pro-bono lawyer helping the homeless, you'd say it was from some venal motive like looking good in the election or attracting progressive donors. If you hate Clinton, you'll always find a reason to hang it on. That's how hate works.
Have you ever asked for a list of places where she spoke without charge? What career and salary would have been acceptable to you? I'm betting that even if she'd returned to private life and become a pro-bono lawyer helping the homeless, you'd say it was from some venal motive like looking good in the election or attracting progressive donors. If you hate Clinton, you'll always find a reason to hang it on. That's how hate works.
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Those institutions offer the money and are quite happy to pay it. Wouldn't you accept it? Why shouldn't she? She wasn't a public servant at the time, and it's not like she's the only personality who commands massive speaking fees.
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The Michigan fantasy is that somehow the "workers Paradise" will return with 100,000 a year line work and unlimited benefits somehow lurks within the agency of a political candidate. Michigan is a pension plan with a state attached. NAFTA was just a recognition of reality, not any scheme to subvert unions, which were already dead. Bernie can wail all he wants, and Trump can bellow, but the old Michigan is living in Texas and Florida, the new Michigan is a state populated with the remnants of those without the ambition to leave, like me.
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As a proud Democrat, a Hillary Clinton supporter, and a Bernie Sanders admirer, I find the comments from Bernie supporters on this article and many others on the NYT website deeply upsetting.
So far I've read that Hillary is a sociopath, that Bernie supporters will stay home or vote for a third party candidate if Hillary is the nominee ("#BernieOrBust"), that Hillary is not in favor of debt-free college and universal healthcare (though she is the one that championed these ideas in the first place and is taking a realistic stance on what can be achieved/how best to achieve it in the current political climate), that a vote for “$hillary” is a vote for Wall Street, and that Hillary supporters are “on the wrong side of history”. The overwhelming sentiment appears to be that Hillary is evil incarnate, despite the fact that she has spent her entire adult life working for minorities and other marginalized groups who have not had a voice in our democracy, all the while withstanding vicious and utterly personal attacks from all sides of the political spectrum.
While I admire Sanders and his movement, I think it's time for him to take responsibility for the minions that he's created in the process and the way that his campaign has unfairly demonized Hillary Clinton (who will most likely be the Democratic nominee), when the focus should have been on demonizing the Republicans.
It's time for Bernie Sanders to call off the dogs (or at the very least redirect them).
So far I've read that Hillary is a sociopath, that Bernie supporters will stay home or vote for a third party candidate if Hillary is the nominee ("#BernieOrBust"), that Hillary is not in favor of debt-free college and universal healthcare (though she is the one that championed these ideas in the first place and is taking a realistic stance on what can be achieved/how best to achieve it in the current political climate), that a vote for “$hillary” is a vote for Wall Street, and that Hillary supporters are “on the wrong side of history”. The overwhelming sentiment appears to be that Hillary is evil incarnate, despite the fact that she has spent her entire adult life working for minorities and other marginalized groups who have not had a voice in our democracy, all the while withstanding vicious and utterly personal attacks from all sides of the political spectrum.
While I admire Sanders and his movement, I think it's time for him to take responsibility for the minions that he's created in the process and the way that his campaign has unfairly demonized Hillary Clinton (who will most likely be the Democratic nominee), when the focus should have been on demonizing the Republicans.
It's time for Bernie Sanders to call off the dogs (or at the very least redirect them).
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Agree. It's really gone off the chart to the point where I wonder if some of these Sanders supporters are nothing more than Republican trolls...Unfortunately, it's hard to tell.
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Plain and simple: Hillary is not, nor has ever been, trustworthy (see trade policy) or transparent (see Wall Street transcripts)
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Spot on, Marissa. It's a sad time when I can't tell whether it's a progressive or a right-wing Republican who's parroting the AM hate radio memes.
I care about exactly one thing: Democrats winning in November. As many as possible. Whoever they are. All else is commentary (an apropos phrase to borrow from Hillel right now!)
I care about exactly one thing: Democrats winning in November. As many as possible. Whoever they are. All else is commentary (an apropos phrase to borrow from Hillel right now!)
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Its interesting that the Times always seems to talk about Sanders with reference to how he's 'only prolonging the inevitable', whereas when the Times talks about Rubio its in the form of 'he needs to do x, y, and z if he's going to have a chance.' Despite Sanders being fairly close behind Clinton and Rubio being waaay out of contention at this point, not winning a single delegate yesterday.
Very interesting that.
Very interesting that.
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I can only imagine the self-righteous howls of outrage if Donald Trump had interrupted Hillary Clinton during a debate by sneering "I'm talking here". We'd never hear the end of it and that little remark would be the subject of at least three Times OP Ed columns. Yet Bernie Sanders's rudeness to Hillary Clinton went completely ignored. To make a bad situation worse Sanders's supporters kept cheering him on!!! There!!! That will teach Hillary a thing or two over who's really the boss.
The double standard reeks.
The double standard reeks.
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Please re-watch the debate. It was she who kept interrupting him she was the one who was rude. Better toughen up Bernie Sanders has been nothing but a gentleman to her.
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Quite right. He should have treated her as a gentleman treats a lady. A gentleman never objects when a lady interrupts him. Condescension of this kind helps to keeps the ladies in their place.
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No. She interrupted him.
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Our media Masters spoke, and no one listened.
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Ahem, Hillary's lead is bigger today than it was yesterday.
(Have we forgotten basic delegate arithmetic?)
(Have we forgotten basic delegate arithmetic?)
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The momentum is building for Bernie to overtake HRC.
Colorado and Michigan victories represent mainstream Americans and they are standing up and speaking out!!
1121 vs 571 and growing!
Go Bernie and the Movement for the People!!
Colorado and Michigan victories represent mainstream Americans and they are standing up and speaking out!!
1121 vs 571 and growing!
Go Bernie and the Movement for the People!!
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Math is not what Sanders fans are about - which is why they annoy nearly everyone with any respect for facts.
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It is astounding that so many who whose families came to America as immigrants support Trump. Donald Trump insults the people who made this country - immigrants from all over the world. He wants to deport 11 million Mexicans he calls rapists and criminals So many from Mexico have abandoned their farms to go north in order to feed their starving families. It is very similar to the story of those who fled famine in Europe in the 19th and early 20th Century. To support Trump is to deny what America has always stood for.
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Hillary is counting on suckers from Sander's campaign to switch over to her after she is anointed the dem candidate for president. The big question is, will she get that support in November? She is continually alienating Sander's supporters but still has that arrogant air of privilege assuming they will automatically vote for her in November.
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If Bernie's supports would rather vote for Trump or Cruz, or not vote at all (which amounts to the same thing), they really are suckers. The same goes for Hillary's supporters if Bernie wins the nomination. The real election is in November and it's far more important than who wins the Democratic nomination.
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First. Hillary doesn't need suckers. From Sanders, or anybody else.
But even more importantly: Why is the Sanders camp alienating the entire Democratic Party from itself when Donald Trump is closing in on the Republican nomination?
Isn't that something to think about???
But even more importantly: Why is the Sanders camp alienating the entire Democratic Party from itself when Donald Trump is closing in on the Republican nomination?
Isn't that something to think about???
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Blaming Hillary for "alienating" Old Bernie's supporters is "arrogant". Surely they are responsible for their own decisions. They have made it clear that they will not leave their parents' basements to vote for Hillary.
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It might be time for the New York Times to prepare an article on the inaccuracies of political polling. The difference between the assumed advantage of Clinton over Sanders was off by about 20%. There have been similar polling inaccuracies throughout the Republican lead up to primary season. With cell phones, the Internet, and a general interest in privacy, clearly the polling business does no one any service accept to continue to employ pollsters.
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I find the Times reporting on the democratic race slanted towards Hillary Clinton. When she wins a state her candidacy is considered inevitable. When Sanders wins an upset it's a "dent" in her road to a win. This talk about delegate counts makes thing seem like more people are voting for her than Sanders because "look at the delegate count," What the Times keeps "forgetting" to mention is that number includes the "super delegates" who have committed to her. These are the party big wigs. The same establishment democrats who want more of the same. Who do not want anything to do with Sanders as that might adversely affect their privilege and power. When it comes down to it, the primary is always going to be undemocratic as it allows the power brokers, corporate apologists, and trade pact advocates to tilt the scales towards whoever is been designated to be their candidate.
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I like Bernie Sanders and I contributed to his campaign - multiple times. I have not contributed to Hillary Clinton's campaign, but she is my favored candidate. You may say that that sounds somewhat odd, but the fact is that Secretary Clinton is by far and away the most qualified candidate for President, in regard to both foreign and domestic issues. But I like Senator Sanders ideas regarding social issues and I'd like to see him cause Hillary to move further left. But in November, I will vote for the Democratic nominee, no matter whether it is either Sanders or Clinton and I would hope that enough Democrats do the same for us to win the Presidency, the Senate, and an opportunity to appoint three (yes...that is 3) Supreme Court Justices within the next eight years.
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Bernie was caught off guard by the loaded blind spot question.
But anyone who really knows the candidate can see that here's how he should've answered this question which is more reflective of his fighting decades for the middle class and poor, all poor in this country, in all flavors now.
Because this is the truth of Bernie in the decades he has fought for the middle class .
"I am blind, I am blind to race, gender, religion, age, sexual orientation, etc. because all I see are American Citizens (much like MLK) and these are the people for whom I fight ."
(And I do not use these cards to politicize the people.)
See the following watch the same message for decades:
Go to you tube, search for Bernie Sanders campaign End of the Corporate Age
But anyone who really knows the candidate can see that here's how he should've answered this question which is more reflective of his fighting decades for the middle class and poor, all poor in this country, in all flavors now.
Because this is the truth of Bernie in the decades he has fought for the middle class .
"I am blind, I am blind to race, gender, religion, age, sexual orientation, etc. because all I see are American Citizens (much like MLK) and these are the people for whom I fight ."
(And I do not use these cards to politicize the people.)
See the following watch the same message for decades:
Go to you tube, search for Bernie Sanders campaign End of the Corporate Age
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Sanders: "I am blind to race....because all I see are American Citizens (much like MLK)..." Oh really ????
Just for the record. Dr. Martin Luther King would never say:
"When you are white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto."
Still wonder why Sanders isn't getting the "Minority" and African-American vote.
#ALL VOTES MATTER
Just for the record. Dr. Martin Luther King would never say:
"When you are white, you don't know what it's like to be living in a ghetto."
Still wonder why Sanders isn't getting the "Minority" and African-American vote.
#ALL VOTES MATTER
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Reply to N.Smith
Indeed that is exactly my point , all votes matter.
You are parsing the words instead of seeing the intentions behind them.
Wasn't MLK for civil rights for all people ?
Indeed that is exactly my point , all votes matter.
You are parsing the words instead of seeing the intentions behind them.
Wasn't MLK for civil rights for all people ?
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Please read that is exactly what I am saying ALL VOTEs MATTER, all citizens matter.
You are getting stuck parsing words and missing the intentions and actions of the men.
He does not need to speak all the languages to be fighting for all.
It's about the big vision for all. That is what I mean.
You are getting stuck parsing words and missing the intentions and actions of the men.
He does not need to speak all the languages to be fighting for all.
It's about the big vision for all. That is what I mean.
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I support Hillary. I contribute to her campaign, have her bumper sticker on my car and will tell anyone I meet why she will get my vote. I do this because I believe she is an extremely competent, qualified candidate who I agree with on most important issues.
I am a big fan of Bernie. Forty years ago I would have voted for him as I have for every progressive democrat who has run since then. I get the "Bern". I just am not sure it is the winning strategy this year and I don't want to take the chance.
If Bernie gets the nomination, I will donate to his campaign, put his bumper sticker on my car and tell anyone I meet why he will get my vote.
My biggest fear is that if Hillary does get the nomination, Bernie supporters may stay home. Please do not let that happen.
In the words of Edmund Burke,
"In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."
I am a big fan of Bernie. Forty years ago I would have voted for him as I have for every progressive democrat who has run since then. I get the "Bern". I just am not sure it is the winning strategy this year and I don't want to take the chance.
If Bernie gets the nomination, I will donate to his campaign, put his bumper sticker on my car and tell anyone I meet why he will get my vote.
My biggest fear is that if Hillary does get the nomination, Bernie supporters may stay home. Please do not let that happen.
In the words of Edmund Burke,
"In order for evil to flourish, all that is required is for good men to do nothing."
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It's one thing to have a candidate win, as Mr. Sanders has done in this case, Congratulations--but that still doesn't excuse the high amount of rude and vitriolic comments pouring forth in this section. In fact, so much so, that it makes one wonder if this is still a forum where freedom of speech is respected, or if it's a lunchroom brawl, where the one who can bully the most wins. The stakes here are high. There's still Mr. Trump and his venomous race-baiting campaign that is inching its way towards the White House. We can all afford to disagree, but we can't afford a split in the Democratic Party. Something like that would certainly allow for a Trump win which would significantly alter the fate of this country--and more than likely, not for the better. Time to check the rhetoric and take a pulse.
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Many have commented on the importance of where Clinton and Sanders have gotten their wins so far (e.g. Clinton's strength in Southern states that neither she nor Sanders has any realistic chance to win in November). I think it's important to look at their performances in "battleground" states vs. the "blue wall" states which have voted Democratic in at least the last 6 presidential elections. Here's how they stack up on both fronts:
1. "Battleground" state wins: Clinton 3 (Iowa, albeit barely and under suspicious circumstances, Nevada and Virginia), Sanders 2 (New Hampshire and Colorado)
2. "Blue wall" state wins: Sanders 4 (Vermont, Minnesota, Maine and Michigan), Clinton 1 (Massachusetts)
Each of Sanders' "blue wall" wins were by 19 points or more. I think that's a worrisome sign for Clinton, assuming she's the nominee, because (i) it suggests a lack of enthusiasm for her in states that she must hold in order to win in November, (ii) some of those "blue wall" states (Michigan and Minnesota) could potentially be in play this year, and (iii) she cannot count on retaining much of Sanders' support, as many of his supporters view her as the personification of a corrupt establishment and will not vote or will vote for someone else rather than vote for her.
1. "Battleground" state wins: Clinton 3 (Iowa, albeit barely and under suspicious circumstances, Nevada and Virginia), Sanders 2 (New Hampshire and Colorado)
2. "Blue wall" state wins: Sanders 4 (Vermont, Minnesota, Maine and Michigan), Clinton 1 (Massachusetts)
Each of Sanders' "blue wall" wins were by 19 points or more. I think that's a worrisome sign for Clinton, assuming she's the nominee, because (i) it suggests a lack of enthusiasm for her in states that she must hold in order to win in November, (ii) some of those "blue wall" states (Michigan and Minnesota) could potentially be in play this year, and (iii) she cannot count on retaining much of Sanders' support, as many of his supporters view her as the personification of a corrupt establishment and will not vote or will vote for someone else rather than vote for her.
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A correction: Michigan, of course, was by a lot less than 19 points. Sanders' victories in the other 5 states previously mentioned, however, were all by 19 points or more, including NH and CO.
All this talk about a brokered Republican convention is disingenuous and anti-democratic. While I find Trump repulsive and his popularity disturbing, he is winning. The majority of Republican voters want him to be their nominee. If he was a media darling, the headlines and pundits would be blathering about his inevitable election to the Presidency.
A strong argument can be made that many people are intellectually incompetent and should not have the right to vote; but there is no threshold of knowledge or intelligence to the right to vote. The sad and simple truth is that American democracy does not work because our electorate is poorly educated and easily manipulated.
A strong argument can be made that many people are intellectually incompetent and should not have the right to vote; but there is no threshold of knowledge or intelligence to the right to vote. The sad and simple truth is that American democracy does not work because our electorate is poorly educated and easily manipulated.
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Headline: Democrat proposes intelligence test before being granted voting rights.
I wish Bernie who cares for this country, would back off stop screaming and start looking at the big picture. Totally agree with most comments that if he is the nominee, we all should say hello to Trump or Cruz presidency! never screamers and angry people have been able to accomplish much, yes they stir things up, which sometimes is needed, but the actual doers who go the long distance are never the screamers. Hillary is the only one who can unite this country and get things done, this is why they are all afraid of her. A very practical pragmatic person who knows what it takes to lead and what it takes to accomplish anything! A areal coach and leader, like a real mother figure who cares and shows how to be responsible, how to think and not what to think and how to be accountable. Hillary has been in the public eye for decades, has defiantly much more experience and had to make much more tough choices, comparing to the rest of them up there, including Bernie,she has done quite well despite of the circumstances and situations! not a fair game to compare her to the rest who do not have been in her position! she is not a wishful talker, she has done it and knows what it takes to go forward and change things and help to make policies for this great country of ours of over 320m. people, we are not some small European country. by the way most things Bernie is comparing to Europe and wants to implement are failing in Europe and they have realized it does not work that well.
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Everyone knows that realistically cannot happen in this country especially not all at once . It's a matter of swinging the pendulum that's gone way too far right more towards the middle again it will take decades.
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Anna,
Please assess the piece on Honduras, at the end.
I question her human rights creds.
She knows how to fight?
Really?,
Backed by CNN, the Times, big money, and the DNC, she should be mopping it up.
But, that is not the case.
The power of HRC is part marketing, part urban myth.
Kinda like an East European hollow chocolate bunny.
No way could she win the general with her baggage..
(the Clinton Foundation is full of questionable actions and connections that the RNC would simply love.)
Slightly Flawed?? Please spare me.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslat...
Please assess the piece on Honduras, at the end.
I question her human rights creds.
She knows how to fight?
Really?,
Backed by CNN, the Times, big money, and the DNC, she should be mopping it up.
But, that is not the case.
The power of HRC is part marketing, part urban myth.
Kinda like an East European hollow chocolate bunny.
No way could she win the general with her baggage..
(the Clinton Foundation is full of questionable actions and connections that the RNC would simply love.)
Slightly Flawed?? Please spare me.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslat...
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@ Anna
"we are not some small European country. by the way most things Bernie is comparing to Europe and wants to implement are failing in Europe and they have realized it does not work that well."
Sorry, I still have my universal healthcare in France, a social contract that isn't going away any time soon. What IS going on in Europe is the same problem faced by the USA...an ever growing, international, oligarchy. Corporations have made it their mission to not pay taxes in ANY country. A new labor law, introduced by the Socialist party (really a mirror of the USA's DLC of Bill Clinton's day), is proposing that workers may be asked to work up to 48 hours a week with any hours beyond the legal 35/week paid at a 25% increase. With unemployment hovering at 10%, why don't these corporations simply hire additional workers?? Our labor minister is a young woman who has never had a job in the private sector. The refugee problem (thank you GWB and Mr. Drone Obama). My analysis is simple, not having the space to explain in detail...but watch the unrest happening this winter by farmers, independent shop keepers, students, blue class workers in France...and then make the connection that the oligarchy is winning in France (where people now lump the right and left parties into the "UMPS") and the far right has had the largest voter turn out ever. Disgust and the sense of revolution are in the air. Better that we seek out representatives that aren't corrupted by the oligarchy to govern.
"we are not some small European country. by the way most things Bernie is comparing to Europe and wants to implement are failing in Europe and they have realized it does not work that well."
Sorry, I still have my universal healthcare in France, a social contract that isn't going away any time soon. What IS going on in Europe is the same problem faced by the USA...an ever growing, international, oligarchy. Corporations have made it their mission to not pay taxes in ANY country. A new labor law, introduced by the Socialist party (really a mirror of the USA's DLC of Bill Clinton's day), is proposing that workers may be asked to work up to 48 hours a week with any hours beyond the legal 35/week paid at a 25% increase. With unemployment hovering at 10%, why don't these corporations simply hire additional workers?? Our labor minister is a young woman who has never had a job in the private sector. The refugee problem (thank you GWB and Mr. Drone Obama). My analysis is simple, not having the space to explain in detail...but watch the unrest happening this winter by farmers, independent shop keepers, students, blue class workers in France...and then make the connection that the oligarchy is winning in France (where people now lump the right and left parties into the "UMPS") and the far right has had the largest voter turn out ever. Disgust and the sense of revolution are in the air. Better that we seek out representatives that aren't corrupted by the oligarchy to govern.
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"a Democratic campaign that Hillary Clinton appeared to have all but locked up last week" Um, maybe from a biased, "epistemically-closed" and compromised viewpoint, but not to many, many others. The takeaways from last week's contest between Sanders and Clinton, were essentially the same as this week's: Sanders is stronger on a national elective basis among an energized electorate that ranges across a broad spectrum from millenials to the working class to the progressive intelligentsia whereas Clinton is strong in the South, a place where Democrats will inevitably face a steep road to the Presidency. This week's results reinforce these takeaways, which by the way, were apparent to see last week, if not before. Sanders is much stronger than any of the punditocacy and establishment Dems give him credit for, and Clinton is weaker to the point that if she were to get the nod, a Trump Presidency is a very real worry. Moreover, the ugliness of some of the Clinton campaign's tactics as they feel the pressure has really been off-putting. Sanders is not a sexist or racist, PALEEZE! In the meantime, how about releasing the transcript of that Goldman Sachs (AKA Vampire Squid) speech for which Clinton was paid ~$650,000? The "there" in this issue is the decision not to disclose as much as what may be in that speech. If Clinton wants to truly show that she is not in the pocket of Wall Street, which I want to believe, then disclose it.
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I don't think the Sanders fans will be satisfied until they see Bernie Sanders on the CNN, MSNBC, FOX, New York Times, and Washington Post front pages surrounded by flowers, beaming in the sunlight, with the caption, "We Love You, Bernie!"
Good lord. The first thing I saw when I checked the news last night was that Bernie Sanders won Michigan in a stunner. That wasn't good enough. nothing is. The absolutely endless whining from the Berners has done more to make me a Hillary fan than almost anything else.
Good lord. The first thing I saw when I checked the news last night was that Bernie Sanders won Michigan in a stunner. That wasn't good enough. nothing is. The absolutely endless whining from the Berners has done more to make me a Hillary fan than almost anything else.
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If a baby takes their first step and then goes back to crawling on the floor and doesn't attempt walking for a long while, it is unlikely they would walk as it would require effort on the part of the baby to keep trying and it would make for a bit of a sad story. If you are looking for change, which most Sanders supporters are, and winning Michigan is like a babies first step, about the last thing that would behoove their camp would be to fall back into the woodwork. We don't bring about change without making ourselves heard. Winning Michigan was not the goal of Bernie Supporters, so why would they stop making noise?
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Trump turned Michigan Red last night. Higher voter turnout for Republicans. Hillary won't get many Sanders voters, so you can say Trump just sealed the deal. NYT is a failing newspaper that is going out of business soon
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Your coverage suggests it was the NYT that was upset by the Michigan vote--in addition to Hillary.
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As always, those of us who remember the Clinton backing of NAFTA and GATT, will vote for Bernie Sanders. He is not getting money from the Health Insurance Companies either!
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This idea that the election is "rigged" by super-delegates rings pretty hollow. We award pledged delegates based on our assessment of the available candidates. Party super-delegates make sure that the influence and $$$ earned by the party over DECADES remain secure. Without this, good luck maintaining an edge in a 2-party structure.
Politics are a distasteful, underhanded business. One candidate won't change that. Get over your optimism, and just cast your votes.
Politics are a distasteful, underhanded business. One candidate won't change that. Get over your optimism, and just cast your votes.
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The establishment likes to use nomination "math" to criticize Bernie's campaign. But it IGNORES the election "math" that indicates Hillary would not win.
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Bernie just got 67% of the Muslim vote in a state with the highest Arab population. Let me rephrase this and let it sink in: a majority of Muslim-American Arabs voted for a Jew! Bernie is bringing everyone together!!
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Here is Bernie saying NO to xenophobia, racism and bigotry
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/19/1487612/-BNR-Sanders-Takes-Quest...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2016/2/19/1487612/-BNR-Sanders-Takes-Quest...
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Yes. Trump's answer to the Islamic world and our Hispanic friends and neighbors is bluster, swagger, and wall-building.
Our noble Muslim citizens and friends know that the best answer to conflict is to look for the best within ourselves and our adversaries and forge a bridge, not walls and that this is Sanders' underlying, or perhaps overarching rather, message. The 67% of Michigan Muslims know they have a better friend in Bernie than they could in any other candidate.
Meanwhile Hillary, unsure about the voting winds, will just plant some hedges.
Our noble Muslim citizens and friends know that the best answer to conflict is to look for the best within ourselves and our adversaries and forge a bridge, not walls and that this is Sanders' underlying, or perhaps overarching rather, message. The 67% of Michigan Muslims know they have a better friend in Bernie than they could in any other candidate.
Meanwhile Hillary, unsure about the voting winds, will just plant some hedges.
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If Sanders wins the nomination with protectionist and nativist demagoguery, he'll only be a cleaned-up Donald Trump. It's never a very strong position to tell Americans nothing comes free, and that we do need access to foreign markets, when your opponent is implying that we are all powerful, that we can sell everything here that we make here, that we can make everything here we sell, and that we don't need to sell anything abroad. And if that's what Sanders's views boil down to, he might be able to persuade Americans to share them, but shame on him.
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NAFTA destroyed too many American lives. That's the problem with "free trade." It isn't "free."
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something is mentally wrong w trump
hes on th verge of becoming president and look at his face
a more sour puss could not be found
he strikes me as a guy who gets bored w something once he owns it
i think he only wants to win th presidency, but not be president -- too much hard work for small wages
hes on th verge of becoming president and look at his face
a more sour puss could not be found
he strikes me as a guy who gets bored w something once he owns it
i think he only wants to win th presidency, but not be president -- too much hard work for small wages
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Exactly, he'll quit when he realizes he can't get his way all the time. That's another good reason not to vote for him.
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Trumps lawyers just finished explaining to him why a judge being hispanic is not grounds for appeal before he stepped into the room and took this photo.
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Despite the polls, the second place Republican was not Kasich -- but Cruz (narrowly). I'm not alone in wondering if Kasich might not win in Ohio. With him and Rubio sinking fast, the 'war' between orthodox 'conservatism' (Cruz) and the whatever-it-is Trump Movement I'm betting the conservative movement is toast, now superseded by something akin to Silvio Berlusconi's, Hugo Chavez's, or Juan Peron's movements. Considering the effects on Italy, Venezuela, and Argentina of "Our Leader" politics, I foresee a period of chaos followed by an abyss should Donald be given the dual titles of President and (more important?) Commander-In-Chief of the US military.
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There is ONLY one candidate that has high integrity and an impeccable value system, a candidate who won't be changing colors when he secures the nomination. His name is Bernie Sanders. If you don't vote for him, we will end up with Donald Trump as President.
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One reason Hillary Clinton is having trouble in nailing down her nomination quest is captured by her campaign’s latest cynical ploy: using the mothers of Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis, the two slain African American youths, to condemn Bernie Sanders for having used the word "ghetto" for the impoverished neighbourhoods many African Americans live in. Of course this was not the right word to use, but for someone whose family came out of holocaust Europe, it was understandable.
All of us share deeply these mothers' grief and torment, but to use their suffering in this cheap manner demeans them as well. No wonder the majority of Americans do not trust Hillary. Just like she distorted Bernie’s record on the bail out for against bailing out GM, Ford, etc. in Michigan. That explains in part why she lost Michigan after having been ahead by 25 points just a week ago.
These poor mothers had already come out in support of Hillary. That should have been good enough. But the mothers were now pressed to attack Sanders and make him out to be a racist. It’s unconscionable.
All of us share deeply these mothers' grief and torment, but to use their suffering in this cheap manner demeans them as well. No wonder the majority of Americans do not trust Hillary. Just like she distorted Bernie’s record on the bail out for against bailing out GM, Ford, etc. in Michigan. That explains in part why she lost Michigan after having been ahead by 25 points just a week ago.
These poor mothers had already come out in support of Hillary. That should have been good enough. But the mothers were now pressed to attack Sanders and make him out to be a racist. It’s unconscionable.
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Hillary might as well invoke Willie Horton.
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Bernie was caught off guard by the loaded blind spot question.
But anyone who really knows the candidate can see that here's how he should've answered this question which is more reflective of his fighting decades for the middle class and poor, all poor in this country, in all flavors now.
Because this is the truth of Bernie in the decades he has fought for the middle class .
"I am blind, I am blind to race, gender, religion, age, sexual orientation, etc. because all I see are American Citizens (much like MLK) and these are the people for whom I fight ."
(And I do not use these cards to politicize the people.)
See the following watch the same message for decades:
Go to you tube, search for Bernie Sanders campaign End of the Corporate Age
But anyone who really knows the candidate can see that here's how he should've answered this question which is more reflective of his fighting decades for the middle class and poor, all poor in this country, in all flavors now.
Because this is the truth of Bernie in the decades he has fought for the middle class .
"I am blind, I am blind to race, gender, religion, age, sexual orientation, etc. because all I see are American Citizens (much like MLK) and these are the people for whom I fight ."
(And I do not use these cards to politicize the people.)
See the following watch the same message for decades:
Go to you tube, search for Bernie Sanders campaign End of the Corporate Age
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for bernie and others who havent had th dreams beaten from them
A little railroad engine was employed about a station yard for such work as it was built for, pulling a few cars on and off the switches. One morning it was waiting for the next call when a long train of freight-cars asked a large engine in the roundhouse to take it over the hill. "I can't; that is too much a pull for me", said the great engine built for hard work. Then the train asked another engine, and another, only to hear excuses and be refused. In desperation, the train asked the little switch engine to draw it up the grade and down on the other side. "I think I can", puffed the little locomotive, and put itself in front of the great heavy train. As it went on the little engine kept bravely puffing faster and faster, "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can."
As it neared the top of the grade, which had so discouraged the larger engines, it went more slowly. However, it still kept saying, "I—think—I—can, I—think—I—can." It reached the top by drawing on bravery and then went on down the grade, congratulating itself by saying, "I thought I could, I thought I could."
A little railroad engine was employed about a station yard for such work as it was built for, pulling a few cars on and off the switches. One morning it was waiting for the next call when a long train of freight-cars asked a large engine in the roundhouse to take it over the hill. "I can't; that is too much a pull for me", said the great engine built for hard work. Then the train asked another engine, and another, only to hear excuses and be refused. In desperation, the train asked the little switch engine to draw it up the grade and down on the other side. "I think I can", puffed the little locomotive, and put itself in front of the great heavy train. As it went on the little engine kept bravely puffing faster and faster, "I think I can, I think I can, I think I can."
As it neared the top of the grade, which had so discouraged the larger engines, it went more slowly. However, it still kept saying, "I—think—I—can, I—think—I—can." It reached the top by drawing on bravery and then went on down the grade, congratulating itself by saying, "I thought I could, I thought I could."
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Not only has the American dream been beaten out of the populace, by the power elites, they have successfully convinced millions that nothing is to be gained from dreams of what may be, or could be, or should be.
The imposition of that mindset is essential to the survival of the Plutocratic Oligarchy, convince the people they are being cared for, that the breadcrumb ration will be increased this week, and the state issued version of gin will be available three times weekly, as opposed to the current two times.
Everyone should read Orwells' 1984 one more time; it must be required reading for the Oligarchs, especially those being groomed for higher office, a guidebook of sorts.
The rewriting of history is especially interesting, given the rewriting of American history that is generally always going on.
Sanders is a breath of clean fresh air, totally invigorating.
The imposition of that mindset is essential to the survival of the Plutocratic Oligarchy, convince the people they are being cared for, that the breadcrumb ration will be increased this week, and the state issued version of gin will be available three times weekly, as opposed to the current two times.
Everyone should read Orwells' 1984 one more time; it must be required reading for the Oligarchs, especially those being groomed for higher office, a guidebook of sorts.
The rewriting of history is especially interesting, given the rewriting of American history that is generally always going on.
Sanders is a breath of clean fresh air, totally invigorating.
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I'm almost as old as Sanders. This is the story I repeat to myself when I go to the gym, and I'm thinking of quitting halfway through the class. Then, when the class is over, I walk out saying, "I know I can! I know I can!"
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The Times continues to minimize Sanders and anoint Clinton while saying, with a straight face, that Bernie's supported are the educated and Clinton's are poor black and poor whites in the South where Clinton's segment is the overwhelming demographic. In the North and the West, as shown by Michigan, Hillary Clinton is less favored. Clinton does not go from strength-to-strength and if the media would take a real look at both Clinton and Trump there's be enough stories about sharp practice, fraud, dirty dealing, influence peddling for several dozen years of reports. Question: What hasn't the NYS Attorney General indicted "Trump University" fraudster Donald J. Trump?
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What I fail to understand is this one-trick-rant the Sanders camp always employs to berate The New York Times' coverage of Mr. Sanders.
It's never enough! Either there's no picture, or the wrong picture, or the graph is too small, or the article is on the wrong side of the page, or the headline is incorrect... Honestly. There's always something else. The list is endless.
It's never enough! Either there's no picture, or the wrong picture, or the graph is too small, or the article is on the wrong side of the page, or the headline is incorrect... Honestly. There's always something else. The list is endless.
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: ) Yes, I agree, we are a little silly sometimes. It's just because ... Bernie gives us such hope! Not that I think his mere election would solve all or even many problems facing the U.S.A./World - I know it will take more work after the election to get the House and Senate to where beneficial reforms can be passed/enacted. Something about Bernie makes me want to be a part of that, in a way I haven't felt for any candidate before. I guess we just want to be sure the underdog has a fair chance, and yeah, sometimes I like to see him get ample credit for his/our unexpected successes.
If HRC came off as less of a hawk, I might be more of a supporter. I'm just sick of seeing so much money/lives go to waste over pointless interference in regime changes. <-(Gabbard) - I'd like to see that money go to address climate change and other human activities that are making the lives of all species on this planet more and more miserable. In other words - constructive, not destructive investment.
Thank you for your time. (If you read this far you deserve it! ; )
If HRC came off as less of a hawk, I might be more of a supporter. I'm just sick of seeing so much money/lives go to waste over pointless interference in regime changes. <-(Gabbard) - I'd like to see that money go to address climate change and other human activities that are making the lives of all species on this planet more and more miserable. In other words - constructive, not destructive investment.
Thank you for your time. (If you read this far you deserve it! ; )
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This is a joke.
This was no victory for Sanders.
50 percent in a race between two people is not a victory.
What is missing from this article is how did HRC do in the primary.
I Googled it and it turns out he didn't even get 50 percent.
He got 49.8 percent and she got 48.3 percent.
Not a victory as I see it.
It's more like a tie.
If she continues like this she has the nomination and since HRC has the black vote she will win New York and California.
Sanders is a good man and he went to the same High School I did when I lived in Midwood so I like him.
He will lose but in losing it has to be said that he has made a difference in how the country thinks.
When HRC wins she will have to listen to many of the ideas Sanders espoused.
He I believe only ran for the office so he could change history.
He will do that so even when HRC becomes our next President Sander's has accomplished what he set out to do so in the long run he won where it really counts and that is what really matters.
This was no victory for Sanders.
50 percent in a race between two people is not a victory.
What is missing from this article is how did HRC do in the primary.
I Googled it and it turns out he didn't even get 50 percent.
He got 49.8 percent and she got 48.3 percent.
Not a victory as I see it.
It's more like a tie.
If she continues like this she has the nomination and since HRC has the black vote she will win New York and California.
Sanders is a good man and he went to the same High School I did when I lived in Midwood so I like him.
He will lose but in losing it has to be said that he has made a difference in how the country thinks.
When HRC wins she will have to listen to many of the ideas Sanders espoused.
He I believe only ran for the office so he could change history.
He will do that so even when HRC becomes our next President Sander's has accomplished what he set out to do so in the long run he won where it really counts and that is what really matters.
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Did you say that about Massachusetts?
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You were asleep, Bernie was 20 points behind Hillary, he came from behind and beat her.
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"If she continues like this she has the nomination and since HRC has the black vote she will win New York and California."
Don't look to California to save Clinton.
Blacks make up only 6% of likely California voters. Latinos make up 17%:
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=264
Like young voters across the spectrum, young Latinos lean toward Sanders. If they turn out, it won't go well for Clinton.
Don't look to California to save Clinton.
Blacks make up only 6% of likely California voters. Latinos make up 17%:
http://www.ppic.org/main/publication_show.asp?i=264
Like young voters across the spectrum, young Latinos lean toward Sanders. If they turn out, it won't go well for Clinton.
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"...as she won overwhelmingly in Mississippi, crushing Mr. Sanders among African-American voters...
Interesting.
In the spirit of what many of your other commentors have highlighted, your headline for this might be...
"Mississippi not Berning"
As a newspaper, I'd think you'd have an interest in writing about the places in America that actually were Berning - unless your lead story tomorrow will be about intact buildings in NYC, that weren't flooded or torched overnight.
Incidentally - now that the primaries are done and the results are in, it'll be interesting to see how much publicity Flint continues to get.
Interesting.
In the spirit of what many of your other commentors have highlighted, your headline for this might be...
"Mississippi not Berning"
As a newspaper, I'd think you'd have an interest in writing about the places in America that actually were Berning - unless your lead story tomorrow will be about intact buildings in NYC, that weren't flooded or torched overnight.
Incidentally - now that the primaries are done and the results are in, it'll be interesting to see how much publicity Flint continues to get.
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Are you not reading anything other than the comments sections? -- because there are, and have been several articles about Mr. Sanders.... And just for the record, for all practical purposes this is still a local paper --so New York City events are of interest to us here.
Cruz won Idaho because it's mostly Mormon. Mormons, like Romney, won't vote for Trump. Cruz will win Utah also. That ends his dry support.
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Dear moderator - this has been edited: Kudos to Sanders! Most people can see through Hillary - actions, not words define her. She is disgusting on many levels, shallow and morally corrupt does not begin to describe her. Trump (if he is not a "Ringer" strategically placed by the Elite to throw the election), deserves the nomination. Why? Because, as an outsider, he may be able to break this 200+ year old stranglehold that the establishment holds over us. Yes, he comes across as boorish and self centered, however, most accomplished people do - it takes much ego to sail across a big uncharted sea. Besides, it is a" lack of ability to judge character" that has surprised many a sports coach and military leader. There are countless stories of underdogs who once put to the task, won the battle - many "Hero's" were just "commoners" with "unrecognized gumption" that had no other choice but to win. Some were egotistical - some were unassuming. I think Trump has "the spit" to do the right things once he is in office because he would then be privy to unknown and have a support team. Surely. he is smart enough to surround himself with talent - he has done so in the past. Sadly, I submit that even if he wins, he'll either be killed or blackmailed (family threatened, etc) into submission by the Globali
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Rick,
I agree I said the same a few weeks ago.
That Trump has removed Bush legacy, this alone is a major accomplishment .
That he is single-handedly demolishing a sick perverse party driven for years by the Koch brothers is a tremendous service to the American people assuming he doesn't have some backdoor involvement with the KOCH Brothers? It the long $$$ story behind the published story that is the real story in America start with Dark Money.
Having said that I am voting and supporting the most rational inspirational visionary candidate , Feel the Bern . He is getting rid of the other dynasty . Both the Democratic and Republican Parties representing the oligarchy which consist of both parties are crumbling at their foundations and they need to listen! Campaign finance reform all the rest matters little this must be done first .
I agree I said the same a few weeks ago.
That Trump has removed Bush legacy, this alone is a major accomplishment .
That he is single-handedly demolishing a sick perverse party driven for years by the Koch brothers is a tremendous service to the American people assuming he doesn't have some backdoor involvement with the KOCH Brothers? It the long $$$ story behind the published story that is the real story in America start with Dark Money.
Having said that I am voting and supporting the most rational inspirational visionary candidate , Feel the Bern . He is getting rid of the other dynasty . Both the Democratic and Republican Parties representing the oligarchy which consist of both parties are crumbling at their foundations and they need to listen! Campaign finance reform all the rest matters little this must be done first .
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I was wrong. I thought this election was about a vitriol Fascist Racist that will probably be the GOP candidate for President. It's really about Gender. Charles Ever convinced brought this to my attention. He voted for Obama in 2008 and 2012, but he is supporting Donald Trump for 2016. Hillary not winning Michigan amplifies this even more.
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I agree Wendi- but it's also a factor of Gail Sheehey and the revenge faction of the Clay Felker anti-Gloria Steinham grudge match coming home to roost in the media.
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Too often I hear that the most whitest states go to Sanders, while Clinton draws in minority votes. The outcome of Michigan shows that Sanders is surging, but it also shows that painting his base as "white progressives" is wrong. The North has a larger population of whites, but it has higher concentrations of poverty especially in minority communities. Many of the urban hubs in the North are working class cities that have felt the brunt of the economic downturn. How many of these states will vote for Clinton? She may have showed strong support in the South, but the Northern states, many of which are full of independents, will vote differently.
It seems that the Sander's Campaign found Clinton's Achilles heel: Trade policies that decimated the heartland of America.
It seems that the Sander's Campaign found Clinton's Achilles heel: Trade policies that decimated the heartland of America.
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@Tiffany - during Super Tuesday I had to take you to task for your questionable characterization of the African American vote, and in Michigan you seem to have missed the point that Bernie lost significantly in the big cities. His strength once again was white and suburban-rural.
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Sirs-because the NYTimes depends on a Status Quo, notice that even months ago, the paper's craven endorsement of a so-called "democrat" runner
who as Sanders is points out
takes hundreds of thousands of dollars from rich banksturs, those 1%-ers we know as Wall Streeters.
Sanders' loud clear broadcasting this news, in debate last monday night, DIDN'T GO UNNOTICED. More important IT WASN'T SUPPRESSED or UNFACTORED,
by those who voted. TODAY one sees
NYTimes
(2 days ago pronouncing HC the debate winner)
showing shock, at
A REAL outcome.
So suitable for editors' fancies, the paper concocts the latest story to account for that "upset"!
O! my heavens! So. Hilary "won" that last Mich debate? Perhaps. If the whispered word "socialist" deafens you! if you detect a lefty scheme for depriving privilege to billionaire financiers (of Clintons and Cruzes!)
me? i'm still worried. My money'd be on a sad outcome: the entrenched, high-financed so-called democrat will clean the tables, come election day.
Ergo, WHO BUT SANDERS have we?
i'm too much a realist to believe his honest and factual message will reach a sufficient public. Unlike those under-represented Flint voters, the US broad electorate are unlikely to get sufficient opportunity to HEAR the facts as Sanders clearly lines them out, and
The NYTimes might have whistled this honest tune, months ago.
However, today, still in their editorial suites, they're compounding our news: telling us things
that DO NOT change.
who as Sanders is points out
takes hundreds of thousands of dollars from rich banksturs, those 1%-ers we know as Wall Streeters.
Sanders' loud clear broadcasting this news, in debate last monday night, DIDN'T GO UNNOTICED. More important IT WASN'T SUPPRESSED or UNFACTORED,
by those who voted. TODAY one sees
NYTimes
(2 days ago pronouncing HC the debate winner)
showing shock, at
A REAL outcome.
So suitable for editors' fancies, the paper concocts the latest story to account for that "upset"!
O! my heavens! So. Hilary "won" that last Mich debate? Perhaps. If the whispered word "socialist" deafens you! if you detect a lefty scheme for depriving privilege to billionaire financiers (of Clintons and Cruzes!)
me? i'm still worried. My money'd be on a sad outcome: the entrenched, high-financed so-called democrat will clean the tables, come election day.
Ergo, WHO BUT SANDERS have we?
i'm too much a realist to believe his honest and factual message will reach a sufficient public. Unlike those under-represented Flint voters, the US broad electorate are unlikely to get sufficient opportunity to HEAR the facts as Sanders clearly lines them out, and
The NYTimes might have whistled this honest tune, months ago.
However, today, still in their editorial suites, they're compounding our news: telling us things
that DO NOT change.
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Is the NY Times so biased for HRC that they can't even show the breakdown of MI and MS? Instead they chose to COMBINE the results of both states and then deliberately show for Tuesday's win Clinton 83 percent and Sanders 50 percent. Folks, this is how money and power rally around the candidate chosen not by the people, but by the donor class and corporate special interests. It has been going on from day one...a complete blackout of Bernie Sanders. HRC does not represent the people, she and her husband and the D party leaders represent corporate interests and they have done so for the last 25 years. Why is that the 2 "democratic" presidents, Clinton and Obama, pushed and continue to push for horrendous trade deals, NAFTA and now TPP that ONLY enrich corporate interests? The D Party since Clinton cater only to corporate interests and their donors. I will do everything to support Bernie Sanders no doubt about it. In fact, I hope that the candidacy of Bernie Sanders has shown the D party voters just how money and power have taken hold of the D party.
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"Senator Bernie Sanders’s defeat of Hillary Clinton prolongs a race she seemed to have locked up..." Really? When did she appear to have it locked up? In the NY Times's dreams? Because of the DNC oligarchy colluding with the media - like the Times - to convince people that Clinton had it won before it started?
Shame on the Times for their coverage throughout. Someday, maybe I'll find a real news source.
Shame on the Times for their coverage throughout. Someday, maybe I'll find a real news source.
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Rather than finding a news source, get a remedial math class. All will be revealed.
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Please. Yes, Sanders "won" in Michigan, but it was 50% vs 48%. Just as Bernie supporters pooh-poohed Hillary's win in Massachusetts, claiming it was almost even, well so it is here. If you look at the number of delegates won, Hillary got 87 vs. Bernie's 69. Listening to NPR this morning, I was disappointed to hear of Sanders' "surprising win" in Michigan without making it clear that the margin was actually very thin. You would think from the media that Bernie was a huge winner, when in fact he wasn't (I will grant the momentum, but the cold hard numbers are so far for Hillary).
I repeat my comment from another article:
How is Bernie being championed as anti-establishment? Hasn't he been in Washington, DC for 2.5 decades? What exactly has he accomplished in that time? How can anyone claim he is an outsider with a fresh perspective after spending all that time as a politician in DC? Since he is running to be President and not Dictator, how will he lead a revolution? Did he forget there are three branches in the US government, and he would only lead one of them?
Sanders became a Democrat only last year, just in time to run for the Democratic Presidential nominee. If he has such strong convictions, why didn't he stay independent and run as such? I smell something opportunistic and disingenuous. To me, the emperor has no clothes.
I repeat my comment from another article:
How is Bernie being championed as anti-establishment? Hasn't he been in Washington, DC for 2.5 decades? What exactly has he accomplished in that time? How can anyone claim he is an outsider with a fresh perspective after spending all that time as a politician in DC? Since he is running to be President and not Dictator, how will he lead a revolution? Did he forget there are three branches in the US government, and he would only lead one of them?
Sanders became a Democrat only last year, just in time to run for the Democratic Presidential nominee. If he has such strong convictions, why didn't he stay independent and run as such? I smell something opportunistic and disingenuous. To me, the emperor has no clothes.
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Yes but Hillary is supposedly the inevitable candidate and had a 20 point lead in polls going into Michigan.
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At least Bernie's wife wasn't electioneering inside of the polling location glad-handing & having her picture taken with voters like Bill Clinton did in West Roxbury Ma. Or speaking to voters with a bullhorn outside of the polls in New Bedford Ma. While Bernie Supporters were forced to move back 200 feet. If I am incorrect please advise.
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The nytimes, of course most of your favorite picks for comments are negative towards Bernie Sanders. Your partisanship and bias, while pretending to be a neutral news organization, is what led me to stop subscribing to your newspaper.
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Kudos to Sanders! Most people can see through Hillary - actions, not words define her. She is disgusting on many levels, shallow and morally corrupt does not begin to describe her. Trump (if he is not a "Ringer" strategically placed by the Elite to throw the election), deserves the nomination.
Why? Because, as an outsider, he may be able to break this 200+ year old stranglehold that the establishment holds over us. Yes, he comes across as boorish and self centered, however, most accomplished people do - it takes much ego to sail across a big uncharted sea. Besides, it is a" lack of ability to judge character" that has surprised many a sports coach and military leader. There are countless stories of underdogs who once put to the task, won the battle - many "Hero's" were just "commoners" with "unrecognized gumption" that had no other choice but to win. Some were egotistical - some where unassuming. I think Trump has "the spit" to do the right things once he is in office because he would then be privy to unknown and have a support team. Surely he is smart enough to surround himself with talent - he has done so in the past.
Sadly, I submit that even if he wins, he'll either be killed or blackmailed (family threatened, etc) into submission by the Globalist Elite.
Why? Because, as an outsider, he may be able to break this 200+ year old stranglehold that the establishment holds over us. Yes, he comes across as boorish and self centered, however, most accomplished people do - it takes much ego to sail across a big uncharted sea. Besides, it is a" lack of ability to judge character" that has surprised many a sports coach and military leader. There are countless stories of underdogs who once put to the task, won the battle - many "Hero's" were just "commoners" with "unrecognized gumption" that had no other choice but to win. Some were egotistical - some where unassuming. I think Trump has "the spit" to do the right things once he is in office because he would then be privy to unknown and have a support team. Surely he is smart enough to surround himself with talent - he has done so in the past.
Sadly, I submit that even if he wins, he'll either be killed or blackmailed (family threatened, etc) into submission by the Globalist Elite.
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I am so disgusted with the NYTimes coverage of this election. Never before have I ever witnessed such overt bias by mainstream media in my long life. Your poor, or lack of clear coverage of Bernie Sanders makes me want to give him my monthly mortgage and stand on a corner flipping one of those cardboard signs prompting Americans to support his candidacy. And as far as Trump is concerned, he needn't spend a penny for campaign coverage because the majority of your headlines and stories are about him. You are promoting his racist and ignorant campaign as though you were on his payroll.
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Mark Twain once said that " If voting mattered, they wouldn't let us do it" . The truth of this statement is clear in watching this election.
The DNC and the RNC are one in the same, you can vote as long as it's their candidate .
The DNC and the RNC are one in the same, you can vote as long as it's their candidate .
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"one AND the same"
Secretary Clinton continues to primarily win with low information, low education and low income voters- thus perversely mirroring the Trump voters. The $150 Million super-PAC candidate is robotic in her answers versus the more natural and messy Bernie Sanders. Her hand gestures as she speaks are suggestive of a marionette with a very staccato puppeteer pulling her strings.
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The condescension of Bernie supporters is astounding. To assume that people are only voting for Hillary because they are stupid (isn't that what you mean by low information, low education voters?) and don't know better is arrogant beyond belief. I have advanced degrees from two elite universities (the ones with the lowest admission rates last year) and I am squarely for Hillary. Bernie is 74, at the twilight of his life. What exactly has he accomplished, other than being a career politician who spent 25+ years in Washington DC (with little to show for them) and who jumped on the Democratic Party bandwagon just in time for the primaries?
The condescension of Bernie supporters is astounding. To say that Hillary supporters are stupid (isn't that what you mean by low-information, low-education?) and don't know better is arrogant beyond belief. I have graduate degrees from two elite universities (the two with the lowest admission rates last year) and I am squarely for Hillary.
Sanders is 74 and at the twilight of his life. What exactly has he accomplished, other than being a career politician with 25 years in Washington DC (with little to show for them) and jumping on the Democratic Party bandwagon just before the primaries?
Sanders is 74 and at the twilight of his life. What exactly has he accomplished, other than being a career politician with 25 years in Washington DC (with little to show for them) and jumping on the Democratic Party bandwagon just before the primaries?
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The groups that were bankrupted by predatory loans for inflated houses and worthless college degrees under government subsidies under President Bush 1, President Clinton 1,President Bush 2 and President Obama are the core supporters for both Secretary Clinton and Donald Trump. Trade deals from the same Presidents and Secretary Clinton favored Tech, Banks and Wall Street over Main Street and manufacturing. Secretary Clinton and her family have already received over $150 Million from special interests prior to her campaign. Her current campaign is financed by SuperPacs and she has been trained by the best spin monsters that money can buy. Despite this her performance is wooden.
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Why would the Super Delegates switch to Bernie? Hillary has 39% more Pledged Delegates and gained 17 more last night. Bernie is behind in the popular vote, the number of states won and the pledged delegate count - it would be a dereliction of a Super Delegate to chose Bernie at this time since Hillary is convincingly winning.
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Tell that to the 4,000 people who waited in the cold - some for up to five hours - to vote in Portland, Maine's caucus last Sunday. Half of them were newly registering Democrats. Bernie Sanders won in Portland, 70/30.
The Democratic Establishment has decided that Hillary Clinton is "convincingly winning," and it will do whatever is necessary to continue to convey that impression - watch for all manner of dirty tricks as the convention approaches. Clinton is a past-tense Democrat - the times, they are a-changin', as a great philosopher once said. Sanders' young supporters are the future - and the Party ignores them at its peril.
The Democratic Establishment has decided that Hillary Clinton is "convincingly winning," and it will do whatever is necessary to continue to convey that impression - watch for all manner of dirty tricks as the convention approaches. Clinton is a past-tense Democrat - the times, they are a-changin', as a great philosopher once said. Sanders' young supporters are the future - and the Party ignores them at its peril.
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Will Bernie supporters stop whining about Super-Delegates being unfair? The fact is that Hillary has more delegates even BEFORE taking Super Delegates' votes into account. And why would DNC Super Delegates vote for Sanders, who conveniently became a Democrat (after decades as an independent) just before the primaries? What has he done for the party?
I think Trump winning Hawaii speaks volumes, as illegal immigration and wall building are not an issue. Average Americans are fed up with the establishment politicians. Yet, they are too self deluded to see their fate.
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I don't mean to be snide or dismissive, but the Hawaii Republican primary is essentially meaningless. So about 12,000 Hawaiians voted and 42% went for Trump. So what? All it means is that Trump won a whopping 10 delegates. No reason to read any deeper into that one...
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Unless of course Trump ends up with 1,237 delegates...then it means Hawaii put him over the top.
It should also be noted that the NRA has endorsed Sanders -- this surely helped him in Michigan, whereas Clinton has publicly stated that she would reign them in.
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Nope. The NRA's most recent grade for Sanders is D-minus. Clintons's grade is F:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/20/bernie-s/...
Sanders did not win Michigan because he is a tool of the NRA. However, Clinton did lose because she is both a member and tool of the 1%.
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/jan/20/bernie-s/...
Sanders did not win Michigan because he is a tool of the NRA. However, Clinton did lose because she is both a member and tool of the 1%.
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We've seen the dirtiest politicians - the Clintons.
Enter stage left, "The Donald". Scene set "Trump Tower".
Sen. Sanders is not one of "them". The most recent issue of "Town & Country" has Sen. Sanders as the ONLY politician who hasn't been invited to Mar-a-Lago.
That's a good thing.
SCARY smooth "talk" in Trumps' speech last nite @ how easy he'll be to get along with. He'll SMASH the Sino/Japanese trade problem in an hour (he owns about 4 or 5 "law" firms in "hi rise towers" in Manhattan, the kinds of "lawyers" Scalia, ironically, warned about). Bxxxx/Rxxx comes to mind - a firm that does as much DIRTY work for Trump/ Wall Street/ Washington as can be imagined.
Sen Sanders is courtly, will stop that gravy train.
Because he is elected by the "little people" (us) both sides of the aisle will have to listen.
Finger wagging complaints of Sen Sanders!?
What about the way Trump GESTICULATES with his hands? They're never still yet no one criticizes his body language except to say his hands are indicative of his male appendage. Flip the bird is next. We have stooped so low, the laughing stock of the world.
Sen. Sanders doesn't own any "Law" firms, hasn't amassed a large amount of money from decades in Washington, DC, as a lawmaker, hasn't called in favors from anyone; that seems clear.
One ASSUMES he's been offered $$$ to sell out his constituents in VT to monetize his position. He has not.
He will not sell out any of us who stand behind him.
Enter stage left, "The Donald". Scene set "Trump Tower".
Sen. Sanders is not one of "them". The most recent issue of "Town & Country" has Sen. Sanders as the ONLY politician who hasn't been invited to Mar-a-Lago.
That's a good thing.
SCARY smooth "talk" in Trumps' speech last nite @ how easy he'll be to get along with. He'll SMASH the Sino/Japanese trade problem in an hour (he owns about 4 or 5 "law" firms in "hi rise towers" in Manhattan, the kinds of "lawyers" Scalia, ironically, warned about). Bxxxx/Rxxx comes to mind - a firm that does as much DIRTY work for Trump/ Wall Street/ Washington as can be imagined.
Sen Sanders is courtly, will stop that gravy train.
Because he is elected by the "little people" (us) both sides of the aisle will have to listen.
Finger wagging complaints of Sen Sanders!?
What about the way Trump GESTICULATES with his hands? They're never still yet no one criticizes his body language except to say his hands are indicative of his male appendage. Flip the bird is next. We have stooped so low, the laughing stock of the world.
Sen. Sanders doesn't own any "Law" firms, hasn't amassed a large amount of money from decades in Washington, DC, as a lawmaker, hasn't called in favors from anyone; that seems clear.
One ASSUMES he's been offered $$$ to sell out his constituents in VT to monetize his position. He has not.
He will not sell out any of us who stand behind him.
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Bernie has this peculiarly quality, it's called: honesty.
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Hillary sells herself as Obama's heir apparent and thus plays the race card to win. Maybe in the deep south but many northern Blacks are not so easily conned. Good paying jobs with benefits are what they and middle class Whites both want...not more client handouts from the establishment government.
Go back to your own people, HRC. There is a political revolution happening right now spelled ST(Sanders Trump). It's about jobs and income equality, and not all about race, religion or gender.
Go back to your own people, HRC. There is a political revolution happening right now spelled ST(Sanders Trump). It's about jobs and income equality, and not all about race, religion or gender.
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By attaching herself to Obama's coat tails or apron strings, whatever analogy works best for you, Hillary is pretending to be Obama III. There was no love lost between Jimmy Carter and Bill Clinton.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-van-buren/carter-and-clinton-a-tale_...
And Bill Clinton did not have many kind words for Mr Obama, calling him an amateur. They have made up since then.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/peter-van-buren/carter-and-clinton-a-tale_...
And Bill Clinton did not have many kind words for Mr Obama, calling him an amateur. They have made up since then.
The fact that you openly tout "ST" (SANDERS TRUMP) is just as frightening as it is revealing.
Another thing. It's about ALL of the things you have listed; Jobs and income inequality is very often the result of racial, religious, and gender discrimination.
Another thing. It's about ALL of the things you have listed; Jobs and income inequality is very often the result of racial, religious, and gender discrimination.
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Who knew the United States had so many Neo-Nazis and Klansmen involved in a major political party? Not all Trump supporters belong in those two classifications of course: Many are simply lacking in the capacity to process information more complex than an average TV commercial.
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Are not the Republican party and the RNC not asking themselves daily "Why in the world could we not find a candidate of a stature large enough to beat Trump in the primaries?" Seriously, every time I watch a Republican "debate", I keep looking for a presidential style candidate and I find the stage seriously lacking. Surely a party which controls both houses of Congress could have coughed up someone...anyone...who was a more attractive alternative than Cruz, Rubio, or Kasich. Is it becoming obvious to anyone else, as it is to me, that, unless the electorate has gone totally bonkers, the race for the presidency is now between Hillary and Bernie, and that, as people get to know Bernie better, and digest his consistent message, and consider which candidate stands the greatest chance to win in the general election, we are, indeed, headed toward Sanders' Political Revolution.
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Please distinguish between the Super Delegates, i.e. political sycophants and the true delegates. Clinton's lead is less imposing with an accurate accounting of the voted delegates and it is important for Democratic primary voters to be continually reminded that this is not a "democratic" primary.
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Hillary is racking up a delegate count by winning deeply red states. Bernie is winning in the states (other than Massachusetts) that count.
How long will it take before the "committed delegates" start to have second thoughts?
How long will it take before the "committed delegates" start to have second thoughts?
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Where is the online picture of Sanders, who just pulled off a serious upset in Michigan??
Please stop taking your marching orders from the DNC and the Clinton campaign!
Please stop taking your marching orders from the DNC and the Clinton campaign!
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The Democrats and Republicans are like two mafia families playing poker with taxpayer money. If anyone tries to disrupt the game they will be attacked, and it will be protected at all costs.
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"threatening to prolong a Democratic campaign that Hillary Clinton appeared to have all but locked up last week." Really? Lies from our newspaper of record.
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Love use of the word threatening.
Well done Mr. Sanders! I am continually disappointed by the press's assumption that Hillary will win and their refusal to cover the massive, grassroots movement for Mr. Sanders. If he had all the advantages Mrs. Clinton has, he'd have the election in the bag. For one, the Democratic super delegates should either be removed or be forced to wait until after everyone has voted before choosing sides.
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Did Mussolini ever refer to himself in the third person?
I sure hope there will be a simple checkbox on my Federal tax postcard to have my refund credited towards some of those Trump steaks. They look delicious.
I sure hope there will be a simple checkbox on my Federal tax postcard to have my refund credited towards some of those Trump steaks. They look delicious.
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I will give it to Sanders, at least he is authentic, and doesn't lie about what he is. And then there's Hillary. Pick one: a loopy Communist promising free stuff for all; or, a corrupted liberal corporatist who doesn't know what classified mail is.
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Believing the NYT is on the same level now as being told you've won the Nigerian lottery.
In their zeal to destroy Trump, NYT has been wrong, but only ever single time.
My suggestion: do not engage mouth until brain is in gear---and not hysterically liberal.
In their zeal to destroy Trump, NYT has been wrong, but only ever single time.
My suggestion: do not engage mouth until brain is in gear---and not hysterically liberal.
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The funny thing is that exit polls constantly show that "among voters who value honesty in a candidate" as a major issue, Sanders gets the vast majority of the vote. Therefore, the majority of people voting for Hillary are those who admit that honesty is NOT important!
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Maybe being honestly stupid and a thick headed stoner who feels sorry for oneself being left behind for lack of initiative is over rated? Or maybe Hillary Clinton supporters are resistant to subtle questions like, ''Do you think Hillary Clinton should be jailed or executed for high treason?"
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Sanders' success is testimony to the economic ignorance of many voters, especially the young whom he tries to seduce with free medical care and free college. He often cites France as an example, but forgets to mention that the French pay a 53% social security tax to cover medical care and medical personnel earn 1/3 ro 1/2 less than comparable jobs in the USA. As for free college, a more intelligent solution would be to increase scholarship aid substantially and make them hard to get, Unfortunately many students in all colleges today are less than serious about their studies. Clinton is hardly a good option as she may well qualify for crook-in-chief, but her record as Sec. of State was a disaster and hardly one we should encourage.
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But In France as well as every other country in the industrialized world, for starters, if your job and health coverage and my job go away at the same time and we both suffer serious illnesses while unemployed, I get to go to see the doctor and then, if necessary, the hospital to get treated and get better. In your case, you then have to figure out how to pay the bill OR, ultimately, declare bankruptcy.
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Keep watching Fox News. Keep listening to Rush. Lies are Truth. Ignorance is Bliss.
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I'm sure we can all look froward to a month of "Clinton campaign in disarray" stories from the press now.
The bias in the New York TImes reporting is evident when you post a picture of Trump under the headline "Bernie Sanders Wins Michigan Primary". Why is the unexpected and large upset in Michigan not the top news? Oh, I know...you support Hillary! I've read the NYT for several decades, but perhaps not much longer.
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Guess what's for breakfast at corporate media enclaves this morning?
Crow...✔︎
Crow...✔︎
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Has any thought been given by the Democrats' power brokers as to what will happen at the convention should HRC's delegate majority be a result of her carrying the South, which Dems can't realistically hope to carry in November, combined with her super-delegate support?
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Have you given any thought to the fact that Louisiana was carried in the 1976 Presidential election by Carter, or by Clinton in both of his runs? Maybe you should. Ditto with Virginia. And if Clinton choose Julian Castro as a running mate, who's to say she can't take Texas with the Mexican add on vote?
Not every state is filled with white privileged stoner dropouts and Ben & Jerry's Dead head oldsters.
Not every state is filled with white privileged stoner dropouts and Ben & Jerry's Dead head oldsters.
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Frankly, I'd trust the judgment of white privileged stoner dropouts more than the bitter rantings of the sullen, hopelessly calcified boomer generation that got us into this mess.
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Proportional delegate allocation may not serve the Democrats well this cycle, as Hillary is running up huge margins in southern states Democrats tend to lose in the general election.
Perhaps it will balance out as Southern whites are playing a large role in gifting the Democrats Donald Trump as their opposition in November.
Perhaps it will balance out as Southern whites are playing a large role in gifting the Democrats Donald Trump as their opposition in November.
Don't wait for the convention!!! Cruz, Rubio, and Kasich need to tell their followers to vote for who's ahead of the rest of them in each state from now on. That is the best way to ensure that Trump is locked out, especially in states where a plurality of votes will lead to all or most of the delegates. Trump still has not topped 50% in any state, even though there are fewer than half the candidates we started with. So this is very doable if the others stand together against him--an opportunity for true patriotism!
Clinton leads in Ohio & Florida, polls show...
...again with the polls, only missed by 12 to 20% yesterday!
Early tonight Bernie has to stop the train and say: here is the way I see the November campaign- 3 big issues to decide- War, meaning military intervention in Syria; Easy Trade policies; & money corrupting American politics.
Trump-and he will be the candidate for the GOP- will run as against all 3. But on each he will have nothing on me, as I am more believable.
Let Hillary answer that.
And Bernie's summation should be- States like MS, AL, TX & SC have had their say...now its your turn. Don't let them tell you it doesn't matter, the game is over, the polls all say...
It really, still, and always, is up to you. Go vote.
...again with the polls, only missed by 12 to 20% yesterday!
Early tonight Bernie has to stop the train and say: here is the way I see the November campaign- 3 big issues to decide- War, meaning military intervention in Syria; Easy Trade policies; & money corrupting American politics.
Trump-and he will be the candidate for the GOP- will run as against all 3. But on each he will have nothing on me, as I am more believable.
Let Hillary answer that.
And Bernie's summation should be- States like MS, AL, TX & SC have had their say...now its your turn. Don't let them tell you it doesn't matter, the game is over, the polls all say...
It really, still, and always, is up to you. Go vote.
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When it's all said and done, this election cycle I'm voting vote for a Democrat no matter if it's Bernie or Hillary.
But right now I'm thinking electability. Clinton in the general makes me nervous, since she's only winning states that will go to Republicans. On top of that, Trump would rip Clinton to shreds as dishonest and part of the establishment.
As time passes, Bernie's favorability numbers keep rising, while Hillary's plummet. Don't expect that trend to change if she's eventually nominated.
But right now I'm thinking electability. Clinton in the general makes me nervous, since she's only winning states that will go to Republicans. On top of that, Trump would rip Clinton to shreds as dishonest and part of the establishment.
As time passes, Bernie's favorability numbers keep rising, while Hillary's plummet. Don't expect that trend to change if she's eventually nominated.
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Will - did it ever occur to you that this 'trend' is mysteriously a product of Bernie spending his millions on ads going negative on Clinton that echo the Republican mantra. Think Trump's numbers will rocket when he goes to jail for defrauding hundreds with his Trump U?
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Sanders keeps saying he has "D-" NRA rating, as if that was an honor badge. But D on what scale? The scale is A to F. So he is in the middle. Majority of democrats are either E or F. Sanders is among the NRA's best friends within the democrats. His D- mantra is misleading
There is no E grade
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Sanders performs best among white men. Clinton performs best among African American women. More broadly, Sanders supporters are disproportionately white people and Independents, and Clinton supporters are racially and ethnically diverse Democrats. If Trump's working class and (comparatively) less educated supporters are leading an insurgency against elite Republicans, what can we conclude about Sanders's supporters? As a Democrat, I am just not comfortable with someone who has so little appeal to a diverse constituency. Show me all the photos you like of him at the University of Chicago in the early 1960s, but I don't think it is excusable that he aspires to national office and has so little familiarity or experience with people who are not white. I live in a rural white area, but I read the paper and follow African American bloggers. I know enough to recognize that not all African Americans are poor people living in ghettos. Coming from Vermont, he should realize that there are plenty of poor whites living in (rural) ghettos.
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Sanders' sweep of Dearborn proves that his followers are not solely white males.
The problem with your analogy about Bernies supporters is that despite your claims, Independents, no matter their make-up, have always been the largest overall voting block in the country and do you know the demographics of Independents? I do not and I do not think anyone else does either. They are more than likely made up of many groups including both black and white voters. The fact remains Hillary was significantly defeated in Michigan in this category which, when it comes to a national election, has to be of considerable concern to the DNC.
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Absolutely. But white male is the demographic among which he performs significantly better than all others. Conversely, he performs poorly among African Americans, particularly women. No one suggests that not a single African American woman has voted for him, or that every white male has. These are statistics, not individual anecdotes.
Why can't Mrs. Clinton shift to the left, disavow NAFTA and Wall Street in the strongest terms possible? The insulation of the Clinton camp over the past 25 years is so apparent in how they are reacting to Bernie's strong showing. Mrs Clinton needs to LISTEN and sincerely move to the left. She needs to shift her long held beliefs about international trade, all the other "centrist democrat" policies towards Wall Street and the pathetically short-sighted ways the DNC has abandoned middle class Americans for so many years.
Globalization was sold to us as sexy/and sophisticated by GHW Bush, Bill Clinton and the rest of them. Not so much anymore.
Start to see the pain these economic theories had in practice in the lives of everyday, middle class Americans.
Globalization was sold to us as sexy/and sophisticated by GHW Bush, Bill Clinton and the rest of them. Not so much anymore.
Start to see the pain these economic theories had in practice in the lives of everyday, middle class Americans.
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People are clearly disgusted with the "Establishment" on both sides of the aisle, and for good reason. We've all been sold out. I don't agree with either of these men, but it is inspiring to see how the American People can still stand up to authority. Lord help any party that tries to over-ride the clear will of the people.
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A question for the talking heads,
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
If a tree falls in a forest and no one is around to hear it, does it make a sound?
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Analysis of how many conservatives voted in the democratic primary in Michigan's Kent county may be enlightening - perhaps Trump's call for 'strategic voting' paid off with a Sanders winn.
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As national pools show, the real national elections is happening now, as socialist Bernie Sanders is fighting against Wall Streeter HIllary Clinton for the Democrat nomination. The Republicans have already lost the war, as Trump just buried Cruz and Rubio and he loses against both Sanders and Clinton by a significant margin.
Problem is, Republicans have a plan B, which is to thwart Sanders and to elect their infiltrated double agent Hillary Clinton. A victory of Clinton is a de facto conservative victory, since she's just a pro forma progressive. There's also plan C (the nuclear option), which is to launch Bloomberg if a miracle happens and Sanders clinch the nomination (thus giving Trump the presidency on a silver plate).
For Sanders supporters, the most important thing now is to continue to donate: those who already donate, donate more; those who don't donate, begin to donate right now. Also, to those who can (usually, unemployed and students): work directly in his campaign as volunteers, in your respective regions (talk to neighbors etc.).
Chances are slim, but they are the only chance you'll have for a long time to solve things democratically, so do everything you can right now so you won't regret later, when everything is lost.
Problem is, Republicans have a plan B, which is to thwart Sanders and to elect their infiltrated double agent Hillary Clinton. A victory of Clinton is a de facto conservative victory, since she's just a pro forma progressive. There's also plan C (the nuclear option), which is to launch Bloomberg if a miracle happens and Sanders clinch the nomination (thus giving Trump the presidency on a silver plate).
For Sanders supporters, the most important thing now is to continue to donate: those who already donate, donate more; those who don't donate, begin to donate right now. Also, to those who can (usually, unemployed and students): work directly in his campaign as volunteers, in your respective regions (talk to neighbors etc.).
Chances are slim, but they are the only chance you'll have for a long time to solve things democratically, so do everything you can right now so you won't regret later, when everything is lost.
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"Trump! Trump! Hillary! Trump! Hillary! Hillary! Hillary! Trump!"
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Democrat voters are finally catching on to Hillary Clinton. She is about to be indicted. Now watch as more and more rats leave her sinking ship. Lies and deceit catch up to everyone eventually. Even the teflon Clintons.
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The Hillary supporters prematurely gloating over delegate counts (NYT included) are missing the point. What happens if Clinton wins the delegate count but Sanders wins the actual states necessary for victory in November? So, she's coronated, but seething with resentment, nobody's going to show up for the queen on Election Day. Well played DNC, there's a comfy sinecure waiting for you at the Clinton Foundation.
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Well surprise, surprise...;-)
Not really. Will the elites in both parties get the message? That 8 more years of do-nothing status quo politics - the kind that Wall Street and "the markets" (i.e. capital more generally) prefer - is a no-go?
The Sanders (left)/Trump (right) "populism" that we are seeing is no flash in the pan. It is only the start of the building political trend in the foreseeable future. Either prepare to implement some fairly radical reforms on the scale of the New Deal, and soon, or face your revolutionary downfall. Of course the first may lead to the second. That's the elite fear!
Not really. Will the elites in both parties get the message? That 8 more years of do-nothing status quo politics - the kind that Wall Street and "the markets" (i.e. capital more generally) prefer - is a no-go?
The Sanders (left)/Trump (right) "populism" that we are seeing is no flash in the pan. It is only the start of the building political trend in the foreseeable future. Either prepare to implement some fairly radical reforms on the scale of the New Deal, and soon, or face your revolutionary downfall. Of course the first may lead to the second. That's the elite fear!
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The media ignores the other main story from Michigan. Two weeks ago John Kasich was polling in the single digits in Michigan. But as he got his word out, the people responded and he started rising in the polls to finish with 24% almost a tie with Cruz.
The media ignore him and the debate moderators give him limited time. The give all the air time to the three schoolyard bullies.. But one thing I noticed anytime that John Jasich did speak at the debate. None of the other three candidate attacked or second guessed his policies. No one questioned his experience or record. Why? Because they know he is the only candidate that is proposing true solutions and could unite the party.
Trump or Cruz would alienate sections of the electorate. Kasich's message is the one that could unite the party. Hopefully they will give him more airtime during the next debate.
The media ignore him and the debate moderators give him limited time. The give all the air time to the three schoolyard bullies.. But one thing I noticed anytime that John Jasich did speak at the debate. None of the other three candidate attacked or second guessed his policies. No one questioned his experience or record. Why? Because they know he is the only candidate that is proposing true solutions and could unite the party.
Trump or Cruz would alienate sections of the electorate. Kasich's message is the one that could unite the party. Hopefully they will give him more airtime during the next debate.
I would have liked more information from the exit polls about the demographics of Clinton and Sanders voters. How much of the Black vote did Senator Sanders get and how was the turnout amongst different segments when compared to 2008? Do you think that news is not very good for Sec Clinton?
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This election reminds me of The Rocky and Bullwinkle Show - with Donald Trump as Boris Badenov. Remember "Local 12 - The Villains, Thieves and Scoundrels Union"? Well, that just might as well be the Republican Party. Bernie reminds me of Rocky the Flying Squirrel - keep flyin' high but keep those goggles adjusted. As to Natasha Fatale - you can guess who that may or may not be. And poor Bullwinkle J. Moose - he's the unwitting American public. But in the end, who's going to become Fearless Leader?
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It has often been said that white, less educated, and low income Americans voted against their economic interests. Now it appears that, by choosing Clinton over Sanders, black Americans are also voting against their economic interests. From infrastructure investment, trade, job to healthcare and education and most everything else, Sanders' policies are much more ambitious, progressive, and beneficial economically to black Americans than Clinton's. Clinton is increasingly becoming a regional candidate (South) and her support is narrowing and confining to black Americans and partisan Democrats, which does not bode well for the general election. Familiarity is not a recipe for winning election, change, and making gains economically.
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This is a joke.
Sanders only got 50 percent of the vote.
How Mnuch did
Sanders only got 50 percent of the vote.
How Mnuch did
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We've seen the dirtiest politicians - the Clintons.
Enter stage left, "The Donald". Scene set "Trump Tower".
Sen. Sanders is not one of "them". The most recent issue of "Town & Country" has Sen. Sanders as the ONLY politician who hasn't been invited to Mar-a-Lago.
That's a good thing.
SCARY smooth "talk" in Trumps' speech last nite @ how easy he'll be to get along with. He'll SMASH the Sino/Japanese trade problem in an hour (he owns about 4 or 5 "law" firms in "hi rise towers" in Manhattan, the kinds of "lawyers" Scalia, ironically, warned about). Blank/Rome comes to mind - a firm that does as much DIRTY work for Trump/ Wall Street/ Washington as can be imagined.
Sen Sanders is courtly, will stop that gravy train.
Because he is elected by the "little people" (us) both sides of the aisle will have to listen.
Finger wagging complaints of Sen Sanders!?
What about the way Trump GESTICULATES with his hands? They're never still yet no one criticizes his body language except to say his hands are indicative of his male appendage. Flip the bird is next. We have stooped so low, the laughing stock of the world.
Sen. Sanders doesn't own any "Law" firms, hasn't amassed a large amount of money from decades in Washington, DC, as a lawmaker, hasn't called in favors from anyone; that seems clear.
One ASSUMES he's been offered $$$ to sell out his constituents in VT to monetize his position. He has not.
He will not sell out any of us who stand behind him.
Enter stage left, "The Donald". Scene set "Trump Tower".
Sen. Sanders is not one of "them". The most recent issue of "Town & Country" has Sen. Sanders as the ONLY politician who hasn't been invited to Mar-a-Lago.
That's a good thing.
SCARY smooth "talk" in Trumps' speech last nite @ how easy he'll be to get along with. He'll SMASH the Sino/Japanese trade problem in an hour (he owns about 4 or 5 "law" firms in "hi rise towers" in Manhattan, the kinds of "lawyers" Scalia, ironically, warned about). Blank/Rome comes to mind - a firm that does as much DIRTY work for Trump/ Wall Street/ Washington as can be imagined.
Sen Sanders is courtly, will stop that gravy train.
Because he is elected by the "little people" (us) both sides of the aisle will have to listen.
Finger wagging complaints of Sen Sanders!?
What about the way Trump GESTICULATES with his hands? They're never still yet no one criticizes his body language except to say his hands are indicative of his male appendage. Flip the bird is next. We have stooped so low, the laughing stock of the world.
Sen. Sanders doesn't own any "Law" firms, hasn't amassed a large amount of money from decades in Washington, DC, as a lawmaker, hasn't called in favors from anyone; that seems clear.
One ASSUMES he's been offered $$$ to sell out his constituents in VT to monetize his position. He has not.
He will not sell out any of us who stand behind him.
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Proud of Michiganders in my home state who put Bernie Sanders on top.
Go Blue, Go Bernie!
Go Blue, Go Bernie!
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It says a lot about Clinton that she wins in the poorly-educated Republican Bible Belt, and loses in Democratic strongholds.
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No, geoff, but it says a lot about you when you stereotype huge numbers of your fellow Democrats that way. Is it so impossible that people who reach a diffferent conclusion about the candidates could actually have reasons just as valid and cogent as yours?
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As a proud Michigander I was not surprised that Sanders won even though polling showed Hillary far ahead. I would be hard pressed to name a single person I know in my work or social circle, black or white, who voted for her due to her evasiveness on disclosing transcripts of speeches to Wall Street, not to mention past pandering to the right wing chicken hawks by supporting the Defense of Marriage Act (which Sanders opposed back in 1996 when it wasn't popular to do so), not to mention the Iraq War (which Sanders also opposed). It's nice to know my fellow Michigan Democrats can't be bought off with a few cases of water for Flint & some Super PAC ads.
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It is disappointing that none of my posts show up on this thread.But I will make this point one last time and perhaps I will be posted.
Clinton won the democratic vote in MI by 20%. If the polls were checking democrats then the polls were right. But the state is an open one for primary voting so independents can rock the boat. Regardless, she is up more delegates than Sanders last night and has increased her VERY large lead.
More to the point, Florida and Ohio are closed states meaning only democrats can vote. Unless they all do a switcher for some reason,which seems doubtful, then Clinton will be so far ahead of Sanders it will be a joke to even try to pretend he has a chance. I do think he will stay in anyway because he is enjoying himself and maybe wants to wreck the party he is not really from...but not because he thinks he can win.
Clinton won the democratic vote in MI by 20%. If the polls were checking democrats then the polls were right. But the state is an open one for primary voting so independents can rock the boat. Regardless, she is up more delegates than Sanders last night and has increased her VERY large lead.
More to the point, Florida and Ohio are closed states meaning only democrats can vote. Unless they all do a switcher for some reason,which seems doubtful, then Clinton will be so far ahead of Sanders it will be a joke to even try to pretend he has a chance. I do think he will stay in anyway because he is enjoying himself and maybe wants to wreck the party he is not really from...but not because he thinks he can win.
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I don't know what the Republicans think they'll gain from a brokered convention. If they manage to wrest the nomination away from Trump, won't he just run as an independent?
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According to TV reports last night there was Michigan poll done about trust. Sanders had a very high trust rating while Clinton rating was low This indicates why Sanders won
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Clinton has a low trust rating because Republicans have run a 25-year nonstop disinformation campaign against her -- but she's still standing strong. Bernie won't look so pretty either after they rip him up. But they don't intend to do that until we have definitively rejected our own strongest candidate and nominated Sanders. Once he is the nominee, they will joyfully deploy a whole fleet of swiftboats to tear him to pieces, leaving us to patch up the bloody shreds that will be our only hope against a charismatic and engaging psychopath.
Sorry...the story of the past 25 years, and the GOP failure to treat Bernie as a threat, when his policies are anathema to them tell me this is how it is most likely to play out if we nominate the excellent Senator Sanders. I love the guy, but he's never played at this level.
Sorry...the story of the past 25 years, and the GOP failure to treat Bernie as a threat, when his policies are anathema to them tell me this is how it is most likely to play out if we nominate the excellent Senator Sanders. I love the guy, but he's never played at this level.
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"Senator Bernie Sanders scored an upset win in the Michigan Democratic primary, threatening to prolong a Democratic campaign that Hillary Clinton appeared to have all but locked up last week."
Way to continue to write off a viable candidate, as if the only possible outcome of his successes is a more protracted coronation for Hillary Clinton. The race may have seemed "locked up" last week to the media, but not to many in the crowd.
Way to continue to write off a viable candidate, as if the only possible outcome of his successes is a more protracted coronation for Hillary Clinton. The race may have seemed "locked up" last week to the media, but not to many in the crowd.
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Democratic pledge delegates look to be about 550/750 Sanders/Clinton. He is doing quite well. Democratic super delegates should be representative, as they are in the Republicsn party. Instead, they are being used to distort the electoral process.
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Huh??
Clinton's race and gender cards are wearing thin.
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The constant glib dismissal of race and gender as mere "cards" rather than actual issues that profoundly affect the lives (and deaths) of fellow citizens is easy when you are not the one dealing with discrimination.
Gender is obviously not an issue, demonstrated by the fact that a 50%-female nation has proudly elected during its 240 years of existence...zero female presidents. Something is wearing thin all right -- our patience with men telling us that gender inequity is all in our heads, not in theirs.
Gender is obviously not an issue, demonstrated by the fact that a 50%-female nation has proudly elected during its 240 years of existence...zero female presidents. Something is wearing thin all right -- our patience with men telling us that gender inequity is all in our heads, not in theirs.
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Well, clearly you are a misogynist. Or a Republican troll. Or a simple, uneducated dupe who doesn't get it. Or perhaps all three.
What other reason could there possibly be for not supporting Hillary? At least that's how it seems sometimes, reading the comments here.
What other reason could there possibly be for not supporting Hillary? At least that's how it seems sometimes, reading the comments here.
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Well it looks like Trump is well on the way to the White House. He has the backing of the American people. Anyone who thinks Hillary can beat Trump I have a bridge to sell them.
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And can I sell you a seat at Trump Unversity...it's a terrific program! Under Trump's personal mentorship, you'll be a millionaire in no time. I promise.
Angry Sanders voters, listen up. Clinton supporters will obviously support Sanders if he wins. You will support Clinton if she wins. Both candidates are patriots who will support each other after the nominating process is over. We are all Team Dump Trump/Save our Reproductive Rights/End Citizens United/Stop Climate Change Denial. Support Him. Support her. But don't forget the end game. It's Turnout, Turnout, Turnout. And don't forget that 24 Republican senators are up for re-election. Let's get some of those seats back too.
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Time to go to masonry school. Forget my MD and my PhD degrees. Masonry is where the new jobs will be. Thank you Trump.
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The Times has stopped even trying to hide its bias. Even when she loses, Clinton "crushes" Sanders. Maybe I am more attuned to it than in previous elections, but the campaign coverage seems particular sensational this year.
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Why don't we just have primaries in the swing states and be done with it all. The South is going to stay Republican and it doesn't matter who the Democratic nominee is. The electoral votes will go to the Republican contender. I t seems to me, the swing states are all that matter anymore for Republicans and Democrats, because the other states are a foregone conclusion.
I agree Hillary doing well in the South is not sufficient for a win in November at all. I think it might be worth looking at how many total votes Clinton and Sanders are pulling in the primaries in the swing states and base a strategy on that. The strategy being that we who are Democrats and want to see the progress attained in this country over the past 50 years upheld, will have to unite behind whoever the eventual Democratic Nominee is. It will not be a time for a protest vote by either Clinton supporters or Sanders supporters.
This time next year we will have a new President. I hope we don't win the battle only to lose the war in choosing a Democratic nominee.
I agree Hillary doing well in the South is not sufficient for a win in November at all. I think it might be worth looking at how many total votes Clinton and Sanders are pulling in the primaries in the swing states and base a strategy on that. The strategy being that we who are Democrats and want to see the progress attained in this country over the past 50 years upheld, will have to unite behind whoever the eventual Democratic Nominee is. It will not be a time for a protest vote by either Clinton supporters or Sanders supporters.
This time next year we will have a new President. I hope we don't win the battle only to lose the war in choosing a Democratic nominee.
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It makes sense for Sanders' anti-fat cat theme to do well in one of the states most affected by the broadening economic chasm in America. But even there, he barely beat a tie with Clinton. If he's only getting half the Democratic vote there, (with horrible numbers like his less than 20% in Mississippi), this "upset" is exaggerated.
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Working Mama:
Hillary beat Bernie by a few thousands votes in Nevada, but nobody in thevMSM pointed that out - she was the winner.
Given that according to the experts Bernie was trailing her by 20+ in Michigan just yesterday morning, the fact that he not only closed the gap but overtook her by another 2 points looks like he vw8n byi
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Hillary beat Bernie by a few thousands votes in Nevada, but nobody in thevMSM pointed that out - she was the winner.
Given that according to the experts Bernie was trailing her by 20+ in Michigan just yesterday morning, the fact that he not only closed the gap but overtook her by another 2 points looks like he vw8n byi
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For sure, Hillary and The Bern give me little confidence they will do anything
other than continue to apply & expand the tired old Democratic income redistribution/vote-buying/nanny-government routine. 60,000 factories have fled offshore, with Ford, Pfizer, and Carrier loading up their moving vans.
We need to bring in a workhorse, not a show horse.
other than continue to apply & expand the tired old Democratic income redistribution/vote-buying/nanny-government routine. 60,000 factories have fled offshore, with Ford, Pfizer, and Carrier loading up their moving vans.
We need to bring in a workhorse, not a show horse.
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Clinton is the only workhorse in the race. trump and cruz are preening ballerinas compared to her.
As for "income redistribution" -- 30 years of conservative economics has done quite the job of doing exactly that. Redistributing what everyone makes straight into the bank accounts of the hyper rich.
As for "income redistribution" -- 30 years of conservative economics has done quite the job of doing exactly that. Redistributing what everyone makes straight into the bank accounts of the hyper rich.
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I find it VERY interesting, if not a little disturbing, that TRUMP and SANDERS both appeal to the same kind of voter (white, working-class), albeit in opposite political Parties.
If anything, it explains why so many SANDERS supporters have commented that they would side with TRUMP, if Clinton won as the Democratic nominee; and why SANDERS has by and large received little, or no support from the African-American communities and "Minority" communities. Very interesting.
If anything, it explains why so many SANDERS supporters have commented that they would side with TRUMP, if Clinton won as the Democratic nominee; and why SANDERS has by and large received little, or no support from the African-American communities and "Minority" communities. Very interesting.
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I believe a lot of the reason you are finding that is that Trump and Sanders are both largely seen as being anti-establishment. Independents, almost by definition would appear to be a group of individuals that are likely to have viewpoints that are anti-establishment. Both Trump and Sanders are attracting large numbers of Independent voters (my more conservative family members are Cruz supporters, my more left-leaning politically inactive family are Clinton/establishment, and the remainder are either entirely apathetic, or are independent and Trump / Sanders supporters), and as such it would seem to follow that independent voters, if not voting for one anti-establishment candidate would vote for the other. I would say with some confidence that the majority of Independent voters tend to be white and working-class individuals. In the South, which sadly faces still today atrocious levels of discrimination and seems to be entirely dismissed, I feel it is harder to be an Independent, especially on the left. Independents do not have a long history of successfully being represented in our political system, so it would make little sense for Democrats in the South to take efforts to vote Independent.
Sanders beating Clinton in Michigan is indeed the big news, and Sanders tying Clinton to NAFTA was a game changer.
But the subtext here is that Hillary could have admitted that NAFTA, which was a bill signed by Bill Clinton, was a big factor in the loss of jobs in Michigan and elsewhere. Instead, she placed her bets on her husband's record, and now it has cost her dearly.
If she is smart she would learn from this and stop running on her husband's record, and Obama's for that matter.
But the subtext here is that Hillary could have admitted that NAFTA, which was a bill signed by Bill Clinton, was a big factor in the loss of jobs in Michigan and elsewhere. Instead, she placed her bets on her husband's record, and now it has cost her dearly.
If she is smart she would learn from this and stop running on her husband's record, and Obama's for that matter.
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Main take away from the primaries, US voters do not like competence.
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Seems to me a lot of people are just bored and think it would be interesting to flip the world upside-down.
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Sounds like you are confusing Hillary with Bill. Which appears to be the strategy of the HRC campaign.
When Donald Trump announces that General Stanley McChrystal is his running mate , you can stop writing about the primaries and go directly to the general election. What a hoot.!
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Our country has been reduced to 3/4ths of the viable candidates being old, white, pathological liars, two of them crooked as the day is long and the other a commie. What a disgraceful state of affairs.
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I'm I reading something wrong? Most of this article talks about how badly Bernie Sanders is still doing and how vulnerable Trump is. What agenda is the NYT trying to push?
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Yes, you are reading it wrong. The article explains quite succinctly how and by how much Sanders won in Michigan. It then goes on to state some facts about how significant Michigan is in context of the primary race...Clinton netted more delegates last night because more Americans voted for her. She and Sanders essentially split Michigan and she smoked him in Mississippi, so that's that, moving on now to the next state. See you in FL/OH!
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In each of "Trump's three victories" anywhere between 72% and 68% of the Republican voters voted AGAINST him!
How does this make up the landslide the press is constantly reporting?
If you assume, as it widely done, that 40% of the voters in the nation are registered Republicans, this means that Trump is getting votes from 10%-12% of the electorate! How is that "landslide support"?
How does this make up the landslide the press is constantly reporting?
If you assume, as it widely done, that 40% of the voters in the nation are registered Republicans, this means that Trump is getting votes from 10%-12% of the electorate! How is that "landslide support"?
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A lot of Sanders supporters have accused the Times of bias in their coverage of the Senator. I think they are right. What is interesting about the Michigan victory is that Nate Silver not only did not see it coming, but pronounced this the biggest surprise upset since Gary Hart in 1984. What I do find a little strange -- and I write as a former newsmagazine editor and writer -- is that we don't learn until the penultimate paragraph (which is devoted to a piece of spin by a Clinton staffer) that Sanders won the young vote by staggering 63 points. Something is off here.
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As a former news editor, Geoffrey, you should have known to do your homework. This was an open primary. The pollsters made a mistake by polling 'registered democrats' only. They left the Independents out of the polling; thus the difference. It's likely we'll see the same thing in other states with open primaries.
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What is off is the combining of the words news and magazine into one word.
I have long held that the NYTimes has become People magazine with ‘less’ pictures.
The advent of the ‘newsmagazine” has contributed greatly to the decline of civilization and will, unfortunately, continue to do so.
I have long held that the NYTimes has become People magazine with ‘less’ pictures.
The advent of the ‘newsmagazine” has contributed greatly to the decline of civilization and will, unfortunately, continue to do so.
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The newsmagazine that I worked for created that neologism.
Every week I think about shifting my $50 donations to state candidates for congress because NYT predicts that Bernie will lose by 10-20% in states like Michigan. Bernie wins and I check my email to send him another donation. Wow, its a lot of weeks and lots of 50 bucks to November. Feel the Bern!!!
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Clinton's campaign showed how little they thought of the average Michigan voter by expecting voters to fall for their distortion of Bernie's voting record on the auto bailout. It was dissembling along the lines of "it depends on what your definition of 'is' is".
Nothing in Bernie's record would giving credence to the canard they peddled that Bernie would vote against the interest of workers.
Nothing in Bernie's record would giving credence to the canard they peddled that Bernie would vote against the interest of workers.
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Just goes to show...
Bravo Michigan, we can always count on you. As the truest bellwether of the mood of America, you never disappoint.
Michigan, you've been ignored by a nation, derided by your Governor, until spotlighted outrage over tap water toxicity embarrassed them.
Michigan, even in your desperation, you retain a clear voice. Strained by harsh winters and summers of discontent, you struggle alone to claim our transformative identity, actual proof that the American economy is not dead.
Michigan, with your peeled back, still dependable population of racial and ethnic diversity, you speak for America. Michigan, residence of the reign and the birthplace of Governors Romney, you are never afraid to tell the establishment, it sucks.
"Michigan My Michigan" resonates in our hearts, and you are ours, forever.
Bravo Michigan, we can always count on you. As the truest bellwether of the mood of America, you never disappoint.
Michigan, you've been ignored by a nation, derided by your Governor, until spotlighted outrage over tap water toxicity embarrassed them.
Michigan, even in your desperation, you retain a clear voice. Strained by harsh winters and summers of discontent, you struggle alone to claim our transformative identity, actual proof that the American economy is not dead.
Michigan, with your peeled back, still dependable population of racial and ethnic diversity, you speak for America. Michigan, residence of the reign and the birthplace of Governors Romney, you are never afraid to tell the establishment, it sucks.
"Michigan My Michigan" resonates in our hearts, and you are ours, forever.
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Michigan my Michigan...I sing along.
The angry Republican voters are like a spouse who found out about the other spouse's cheating and would sleep with anybody just for revenge. This is where The Donald comes in and gets something for nothing.
Wake up, Republican blue collar workers. You only have yourselves to blame since you have been fooled so many times.
Wake up, Republican blue collar workers. You only have yourselves to blame since you have been fooled so many times.
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Hillary's embrace of the only black lives matter movement has hurt her among whites who find the explicit racism in the movement abhorrent.
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As the campaign continues, upcoming contests will be fertile ground for Sander's message! Michigan is a microcosm of America and what issues are important to Americans: trade, jobs, healthcare and financial reform! In Michigan, Sanders cut into Clintion's African American support. He did well with with the under 30 vote and carried deerborne, a primarily a Muslim county. It shows that his support is wider and the Obama coalition will be more receptive to Sanders' message. He will continue to label Hillary as a Wall Street lackey and as someone who will say and do anything to accommodate the political trade winds of the day! Hillary's key to success is to ride on the Obama presidency and not to offend his African Amercan supporters; and to adopt and claim her opponent's position as her own, as long it is political feasible !
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Why do the media insist on emphasizing the Michigan result as a clear win for Sanders? A few thousand votes would have reversed that, and with the delegates being split, it was essentially a draw. A better characterization would have been "upset."
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The key for Bernie is to continue to tie Clinton to the trade agreements that have sold out jobs in the rust belt.
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I am opposed to walls - be they physical walls or trade walls. If we are what we say we are, then we will lead the world into the future, not try to hold onto the past. If we can't do that, then we aren't what we say we are - namely, the most creative and resourceful nation on the planet. It all starts with education.....
Trump is going to win by a landslide over Hillary. She has so much baggage and Bill to over come and she is just not likeable. The more people see of her fake accents she puts on or her fake laugh she is just a fake. She can't even beat a Commie like Bernie in the USA. Thank god for her the Dems. have rigged the game with super delegates.
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"Senator Bernie Sanders scored an upset win in the Michigan Democratic primary, threatening to prolong a Democratic campaign that Hillary Clinton appeared to have all but locked up last week."
Who, exactly, thought that Clinton had locked up the race? The same people who thought she won the last debate, no doubt. The same people who have discounted Bernie from the day he declared.
That is the establishment, by which I mean those who have a strong interest in maintaining the status quo, perhaps with minor adjustments but none that affect their money or their power. And the NY Times is so embedded in the establishment that it has entirely lost the ability to look at this race with any objectivity at all.
Here's to many more "surprise" victories for Bernie!
Who, exactly, thought that Clinton had locked up the race? The same people who thought she won the last debate, no doubt. The same people who have discounted Bernie from the day he declared.
That is the establishment, by which I mean those who have a strong interest in maintaining the status quo, perhaps with minor adjustments but none that affect their money or their power. And the NY Times is so embedded in the establishment that it has entirely lost the ability to look at this race with any objectivity at all.
Here's to many more "surprise" victories for Bernie!
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Since the beginning of Reagan I've watched this country go politically downhill. Too many people at the government trough. With this election, I hope I am witnessing the crescendo of political squalor come to an end.
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The Democratic nomination process is rigged in favor of HRC - read 500 super delegates pledged to her already. But it's great to see the majority of people who voted Democrat in Michigan refuse to crown HRC as the nation's queen. The more corrupt the DNC process is revealed to the voters, the more likely they will vote for Sanders. And if he loses, many Democrats will not vote at all in the general and it will become more likely that a larger percentage of the remainder who are centrist will vote for Donald Trump. This was the Democrat's Presidential race to lose and they have their crony arms wrapped all around the one losing formula. Even the writers of 'House of Cards' could not have predicted this mess.
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I find it baffling as to why Hillary Clinton's campaign is not reminding Democratic voters that Bernie Sanders isn't a Democrat, has never been a Democrat, but wants to be the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party.
Hiding behind the 'Democratic Socialist' nomenclature he has, in an act of political expediency, attached himself to the Democratic Party for no other reason than, like Trump, he wants to be President -- and knows he can't be as a third-party candidate.
Sanders' true feelings about the Democratic Party --- the party he now want to lead -- can be gleaned from the following:
“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’” ~ Bernie Sanders
“You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.” ~ Bernie Sanders
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.” ~ Bernie Sanders
People in the Democratic Party who have spent their adult lives working for the Democratic Party owe Bernie nothing. And, like the Mayor of Flint, that's exactly what they are giving him.
Unsurprisingly, Democratic U.S. Senators (40), Democratic Governors (14), Democratic members of the U.S. House (160+) and Democratic Mayors (105) are, overwhelmingly, giving their endorsement to their fellow Democrat, Hillary Clinton.
Very obviously, the Democratic Party does not want Bernie Sanders -- primarily because he is not and never has been a Democrat.
Hiding behind the 'Democratic Socialist' nomenclature he has, in an act of political expediency, attached himself to the Democratic Party for no other reason than, like Trump, he wants to be President -- and knows he can't be as a third-party candidate.
Sanders' true feelings about the Democratic Party --- the party he now want to lead -- can be gleaned from the following:
“We have to ask ourselves, ‘Why should we work within the Democratic Party if we don’t agree with anything the Democratic Party says?’” ~ Bernie Sanders
“You don’t change the system from within the Democratic Party.” ~ Bernie Sanders
“My own feeling is that the Democratic Party is ideologically bankrupt.” ~ Bernie Sanders
People in the Democratic Party who have spent their adult lives working for the Democratic Party owe Bernie nothing. And, like the Mayor of Flint, that's exactly what they are giving him.
Unsurprisingly, Democratic U.S. Senators (40), Democratic Governors (14), Democratic members of the U.S. House (160+) and Democratic Mayors (105) are, overwhelmingly, giving their endorsement to their fellow Democrat, Hillary Clinton.
Very obviously, the Democratic Party does not want Bernie Sanders -- primarily because he is not and never has been a Democrat.
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The DNC does not want Sanders because they are beholden to the Billionaire class.
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Very obviously a great number of Democratic voters want Bernie Sanders. Their votes do matter. Besides Sanders caucuses with the Democrats in the Senate. If he were to run as an independent voter, people like you were be outraged, saying he's a spoiler, "just like Ralph Nader."
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Who cares if Bernie is part of the democratic party? I think It's a badge of honor, considering the corrupt, pay-to-play political establishment.
Policy matters, not party.
Policy matters, not party.
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Sad to say, but this country will elect Trump over Sanders any day of the week. It's just a given. So why go down that path again and risk losing the Supreme court to the Republicans for maybe the next three decades? Don't think it can happen? Well it can, and it has happened before. Thanks to the ever so principled Naderites, we got stuck with W for eight years and a destroyed country. Please, do not let that happen again. Clinton has flaws for sure, but nothing compared to a gloating Trump post election day.
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Vs. Trump Sanders has 50% change. Lying Hillary probably 10%
Way too many silver linings in one article. Silver linings everywhere.
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Every time Sanders wins the pundit have some esoteric explanation. Like in Michigan, he appeals to workers, who have been left out in the cold, due to corrupt trade deals.
Just admit, that Sander's appeal is simple honesty, like Lincoln, and that is universal.
Which means he has a good chance of winning in every region of this country.
Just admit, that Sander's appeal is simple honesty, like Lincoln, and that is universal.
Which means he has a good chance of winning in every region of this country.
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"Mr. Sanders’s upset in Michigan threatened to prolong the Democratic campaign." Threatened? Who's threatened (besides HRC)? Certainly not the Democratic Party, and certainly not the American people. Cruz, Rubio and Trump are the threats to America. Not Bernie Sanders.
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It's interesting to see the Clinton supporters try to spin this.. "But Hillary routed Bernie in Mississippi!" "Hillary won the majority of Democrats in Michigan."
That's great, I guess. But it's not going to win a general election. Mississippi will send zero Democratic electors to Washington in the general election and to win the general, you need Democrats AND independents IN states that will matter. Sanders is the only candidate who has proven he can do both.
Do Clinton supporters honestly believe that all of those independents that are voting for Sanders are just going to support Clinton in the general election? If so, that's deluded thinking.
That's great, I guess. But it's not going to win a general election. Mississippi will send zero Democratic electors to Washington in the general election and to win the general, you need Democrats AND independents IN states that will matter. Sanders is the only candidate who has proven he can do both.
Do Clinton supporters honestly believe that all of those independents that are voting for Sanders are just going to support Clinton in the general election? If so, that's deluded thinking.
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Billionaires are terrified of Bernie Sanders. Many reputed media is acting against him. Even Washington Post Ran 16 Negative Stories on Bernie Sanders in 16 Hours- http://www.commondreams.org/views/2016/03/08/washington-post-ran-16-nega...
It's NOT any great development for US democracy.
It's NOT any great development for US democracy.
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My wife and I invested well over $300,000 in our children's college education. In addition, our children took on student loans for advanced degrees.
All the children worked hard, went to excellent universities, got superior grades.
We all did what we were supposed to do and we have little to show for it.
Since Reagan, the establishment politicians have been bought off by the wealthiest creating the wealth/income inequality and limiting opportunities for the middle class.
We are angry and we know we are far from alone.
We are voting for Sanders, but we also understand why so many will opt for Trump.
All the children worked hard, went to excellent universities, got superior grades.
We all did what we were supposed to do and we have little to show for it.
Since Reagan, the establishment politicians have been bought off by the wealthiest creating the wealth/income inequality and limiting opportunities for the middle class.
We are angry and we know we are far from alone.
We are voting for Sanders, but we also understand why so many will opt for Trump.
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How is free college a drawback ?
imo, it is like people not getting that Trump and Bernie are feeding off the lack of growth in wages
A *majority* of republicans approve of most of ocare (1); I would bet dollars to donuts that a majority of republicans approve of college
1) see krugmans blog citing a poli sci paper; go to end of the pdf, look for the kaiser poll on healthcare, I think it is table 9
of course, from the last 5 years of ny times coverage, you would never know that most of ocare is hugely popular (times, r u listening ????)
imo, it is like people not getting that Trump and Bernie are feeding off the lack of growth in wages
A *majority* of republicans approve of most of ocare (1); I would bet dollars to donuts that a majority of republicans approve of college
1) see krugmans blog citing a poli sci paper; go to end of the pdf, look for the kaiser poll on healthcare, I think it is table 9
of course, from the last 5 years of ny times coverage, you would never know that most of ocare is hugely popular (times, r u listening ????)
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When Hillary attacks Bernie, all she has is lies: Bernie didn't support the auto bailout (leaving out the fact that it was packaged with the 700 billion dollar Wall Street bailout), or he's weak on guns (leaving out the fact he gets a D-minus rating from the NRA), or his "opposition" to the ACA (he supports something far better - universal healthcare), or he can't win in the general (all national polls show him doing far better than her in the general). She is at best disingenuous, and in my opinion, a bald faced liar.
When Bernie calls out Hillary on her millions of dollars worth of Top Secret Wall Street "speeches" (bribes), her life-long support for anti-middle-class trade agreements, her vote to support George W Bush's invasion of Iraq, her support for incarcerating millions of young people for non-violent drug offenses, her plans to re-invade the Middle East, etc... He is telling the absolute truth...
When Bernie calls out Hillary on her millions of dollars worth of Top Secret Wall Street "speeches" (bribes), her life-long support for anti-middle-class trade agreements, her vote to support George W Bush's invasion of Iraq, her support for incarcerating millions of young people for non-violent drug offenses, her plans to re-invade the Middle East, etc... He is telling the absolute truth...
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"leaving out the fact that it was packaged with the 700 billion dollar Wall Street bailout"....And you left out that the bail out saved the economy from an even deeper crisis which would have disproportionately hurt the poor and middle class. Further, in the end, the Federal Government made a profit of 15 billion dollars on the bail out so the net result was a better economy and a bump in revenue. His vote was wrong, period. But Sanders voted against the bailout anyway because he is a philosophical purist (all corporations are bad). The bottom line is that when push came to shove, his political philosophy was more important than helping real people. The notion that Sanders would be a better candidate in a general election ignores the fact that in the primary he is running as the Senator from Vermont, whereas in the general election the Republicans will make sure he runs as a Jewish Socialist - and folks, that just won't play in Peoria.
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Yeah, the poor and the middle class are now in great shape and the beneficiaries have learned their lesson, thanks to the bailout.
PS The quote below is an excellent example of fascism acquiring its initial traction:
"in the general election the Republicans will make sure he runs as a Jewish Socialist - and folks, that just won't play in Peoria."
PS The quote below is an excellent example of fascism acquiring its initial traction:
"in the general election the Republicans will make sure he runs as a Jewish Socialist - and folks, that just won't play in Peoria."
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Arabs and Muslims in Michigan are not happy with Clinton's
"accomplishments" in the MidEast as Secretary of State.
Time to put a kibosh on all her foreign policy creds twaddle,
She made bad and wrong decisions repeatedly - like George W, Bush.
"accomplishments" in the MidEast as Secretary of State.
Time to put a kibosh on all her foreign policy creds twaddle,
She made bad and wrong decisions repeatedly - like George W, Bush.
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The South should not be allowed to vote at all. Why should I be responsible for their mediocrity?
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Really? Please tell me exactly how you would go about disenfranchising all those Southern Democrats, mostly African-American, in your attempt to hand it over to Bernie? (I guess your not so opposed to "rigging" when its in your favor, are you).
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Dear Vova,
It sounds like you want to bring back Jim Crow...surely not?
It sounds like you want to bring back Jim Crow...surely not?
As a female African-American Democrat, "voting my interests" includes electability. I favor Hilary over Bernie because I do not believe someone to the left of President Obama can or will win the general election or effectively govern. Also, no realistic political calculus exists to explain how Sanders will overcome Hilary's super delegate vote advantage. In the end, membership does come with privileges.
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Why are super delegates acceptable to you? It's completely undemocratic and could conceivably override the will of the electorate.
Yes, clinton's got the super delegate count, but can you imagine if Sanders wins the popular/elected delegates and the super delegates are invoked at the convention to give clinton the win? The democratic party will be finished, and deservedly so.
Enough!
Yes, clinton's got the super delegate count, but can you imagine if Sanders wins the popular/elected delegates and the super delegates are invoked at the convention to give clinton the win? The democratic party will be finished, and deservedly so.
Enough!
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Bernie people, please stop whining; not enough NYT's coverage, too pro-Hillary, and on and on. You can just delight in your win and move on to the next contest.
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So much for Bernie's claims of a "political revolution." Continued lackluster Democratic turnout and record Republican turnout.
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Ultimately, in the primaries, irrelevant. The democrats have TWO candidates each of which has their owner voter turnout mechanism. The Republicans have had as many as TEN or more running in the primaries each candidate with their own turn out the voter mechanism, hence the numbers, even at this stage. There is always, of course, lurking in the background the power brokers doing everything to derail the Donald.
When Hillary is pressed on the speeches and relationship with Wall Street, she must not be allowed a pass on her usual phony rejoinder "I have been very tough with Wall Street, I told them, 'you are going to wreck the economy'" which she now self-quotes in an emphatically scolding tone.
This self-quote is itself a lie because it purports to reproduce an adversarial and antagonistic stance that could never be verified: more likely, such words would have been said by Hillary, if at all, as a friendly "if you guys aren't more careful, you won't get away with it" kind of warning. Hillary very deftly exploits the inherent ambiguity of such a remark to claim having admonished very stridently, whereas there is just no such evidence. It's very important and she must not be given a pass on this. Tone is everything on such an episode, and she literally quotes some words grafting a tone that could utterly distort what was said. Her stock answer, in other words, is sheer duplicity. Please Bernie and moderators, giving her a pass on this point could be fatal.
"You continually say, 'I told Wall Street they will wreck the economy!'; how do we know you were not so much challenging, scolding, or rebuking them, as you now claim, as warning them in a friendly way that if they are not more careful, they won't get away with it?" That's the question to pose to Hillary if she tries her usual dodge.
This self-quote is itself a lie because it purports to reproduce an adversarial and antagonistic stance that could never be verified: more likely, such words would have been said by Hillary, if at all, as a friendly "if you guys aren't more careful, you won't get away with it" kind of warning. Hillary very deftly exploits the inherent ambiguity of such a remark to claim having admonished very stridently, whereas there is just no such evidence. It's very important and she must not be given a pass on this. Tone is everything on such an episode, and she literally quotes some words grafting a tone that could utterly distort what was said. Her stock answer, in other words, is sheer duplicity. Please Bernie and moderators, giving her a pass on this point could be fatal.
"You continually say, 'I told Wall Street they will wreck the economy!'; how do we know you were not so much challenging, scolding, or rebuking them, as you now claim, as warning them in a friendly way that if they are not more careful, they won't get away with it?" That's the question to pose to Hillary if she tries her usual dodge.
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From the "burying the lede" section of the NYT:
Michigan was an open primary.
Michigan is the birthplace of the "Reagan Democrats."
Trump won going away, with a record turnout for GOP primary voters.
Cruz, the NYT's darling, finished THIRD.
This is a movement.
Reagan Democrats are voting again, and they're voting for Trump across the deep South, the Midwest and the Southwest (see Nevada, and more to come).
Michigan was an open primary.
Michigan is the birthplace of the "Reagan Democrats."
Trump won going away, with a record turnout for GOP primary voters.
Cruz, the NYT's darling, finished THIRD.
This is a movement.
Reagan Democrats are voting again, and they're voting for Trump across the deep South, the Midwest and the Southwest (see Nevada, and more to come).
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We were going to miss voting in the Ohio primary next week. No more as we can and will vote early today for Bernie. Shake up the status quo and no more coronations. If we end up with Hillary, we'll vote for her as the circus in the other party is scary save Kasich.
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Sanders again wins a state that may go Democratic in November and Clinton wins a state that will go Republican in November. I wish most of the main stream media would stop trying to put the crown on Clinton's head.
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"... prolonging a campaign that Hillary Clinton appeared to have all but locked up last week."
It only appeared so due to reporting by outlets like the New York Times.
It only appeared so due to reporting by outlets like the New York Times.
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"It only appeared so due to reporting by outlets like the New York Times."....That and a 200 vote delegate lead which got even bigger yesterday.
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Clinton is ahead by 213 PLEDGED delegates, gained through the primaries and caucuses voting. (Clinton has 759, Sanders 546). All delegates are proportional to the votes in the democratic party.
For Sanders to catch up to her in the pledged delegates counts, he would have to win every election from now on by at least 60%, a very tall order.
For Sanders to catch up to her in the pledged delegates counts, he would have to win every election from now on by at least 60%, a very tall order.
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If we have to hear Hillary and Donald tear down their own pathologies, I'm game.
We may make some strides in the shortcomings department; they both carry a lot of deadwood, as in corrupt practices at both their licensings.
We may make some strides in the shortcomings department; they both carry a lot of deadwood, as in corrupt practices at both their licensings.
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We Sanders supporters are seeing an all too common kind of reply to comments such as a one liner from chamsticks in champaign IL whose one liner has 948 recommends (The URL at the end will take you to all the replies.)
chamsticks one liner: "Dont let the South decide the Democratic nominee."
I and perhaps the other 947 interpret this to mean that our concern is that it seems possible that Democratic primary voters in a number of states that will vote for a Republican in the presidential election who vote for Hillary Clinton in those states may produce the candidate less likely to win against Trump.
Negative replies seem to be accusing the 948 of being racist at worst and anti-democratic at best. Nothing could be further from the truth. We simply believe two things: 1) Sanders has the potential to do much more for all of us than Clinton, 2) Sanders has a better chance to win against Trump than does Clinton. We may be wrong on one or both counts but that is what we believe so we express that belief.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
Dual-citizen USA
This URL (my reply) will take you to all the replies to champ:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/us/politics/primary-elections-michigan...
chamsticks one liner: "Dont let the South decide the Democratic nominee."
I and perhaps the other 947 interpret this to mean that our concern is that it seems possible that Democratic primary voters in a number of states that will vote for a Republican in the presidential election who vote for Hillary Clinton in those states may produce the candidate less likely to win against Trump.
Negative replies seem to be accusing the 948 of being racist at worst and anti-democratic at best. Nothing could be further from the truth. We simply believe two things: 1) Sanders has the potential to do much more for all of us than Clinton, 2) Sanders has a better chance to win against Trump than does Clinton. We may be wrong on one or both counts but that is what we believe so we express that belief.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
Dual-citizen USA
This URL (my reply) will take you to all the replies to champ:http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/us/politics/primary-elections-michigan...
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1. and 2. ignore the facts that the House and Senate are presently both Republican, and if he wins the nomination, remember when Obama was Muslim born in Kenya, Republicans will make sure that Sanders has to run as a Jewish Socialist - which this time will be true.
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Critics of U.S. Senator Bernie Sanders singular focus on the billionaire class and Citizens United, fail to understand that until we fix that, nothing else matters.
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And before you can even begin to think about fixing that, you will have to do the hard work of replacing the majority in both the House and Senate. Sorry, there is no fairy dust.
One wonders how many of the people talking stuff and nonsense about Hillary Clinton are working for Karl Rove.
Bernie Sanders did very well last night, and deserved to. He's way outperformed in earning delegates, and deserved to.
But he still lost the delgate race last night, and no, not in terms of superdelegates.
And I still want to know how the politics of what he proposes are possible, I still want to know what his exact foreign policies are, I still want to know exactly how you sustain over 5% growth for years, and I still want to know how that single payer plan works without chopping a lot of folks's benefits and raising their taxes way more than 2%.
Oh, well. It's a year for, "they just will, so shaddap," isn't it?
Bernie Sanders did very well last night, and deserved to. He's way outperformed in earning delegates, and deserved to.
But he still lost the delgate race last night, and no, not in terms of superdelegates.
And I still want to know how the politics of what he proposes are possible, I still want to know what his exact foreign policies are, I still want to know exactly how you sustain over 5% growth for years, and I still want to know how that single payer plan works without chopping a lot of folks's benefits and raising their taxes way more than 2%.
Oh, well. It's a year for, "they just will, so shaddap," isn't it?
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Of course, MI was solidly behind Sanders. So are most of the Republican states. These are the states with the most extremists, highest records of unstable state economies and so they need a ...tah dah..Savior.
The finger wagging, fire spitting Sanders is a remnant of the Tent Revivals that MI and the rest of the radical extremist states are so invested in culturally.
The reality is that in those states that need a savior to rescue them from themselves, they'll vote for Sanders or Trump. Both of whom know how to lie by omission and work their supporters in a political frenzy unseen since the snake oil Bible Belt Bible Thumpers left their tents.
The finger wagging, fire spitting Sanders is a remnant of the Tent Revivals that MI and the rest of the radical extremist states are so invested in culturally.
The reality is that in those states that need a savior to rescue them from themselves, they'll vote for Sanders or Trump. Both of whom know how to lie by omission and work their supporters in a political frenzy unseen since the snake oil Bible Belt Bible Thumpers left their tents.
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That's good, Eleanore,
Insult a whole state.
Has HRC's handlers ordered the scorched-earth defense?
My friends in Michigan do not fit your serial stigmatizing.
Don't forget the New Hampshire HRC vote was the plus 200k plus 65 realm.
Do you know them?
Insult a whole state.
Has HRC's handlers ordered the scorched-earth defense?
My friends in Michigan do not fit your serial stigmatizing.
Don't forget the New Hampshire HRC vote was the plus 200k plus 65 realm.
Do you know them?
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There is serious discussion regarding the adverse fallout that Hillarys embrace of Obama, and her statement she wishes to continue, and essentially represent his "Third Term", may have.
The below excerpt is food for thought -
The new book "Buyer's Remorse: How Obama Let Progressives Down" by Bill Press has just been released with a blurb by Bernie Sanders.
"In a book that came out last month, “Buyer’s Remorse: How Obama Let Progressives Down,”liberal commentator Bill Press gave voice to the complaints on the left that have accompanied Obama’s tenure.
Press offers the following summary of his argument: “On too many issues, once he got to the White House, President Obama abandoned his campaign promises and disappointed the people who worked so hard to elect him.”
He lists several areas where Obama’s efforts fell short. Obama improved on the economic disaster left by George W. Bush, but we nonetheless have “stagnant wages, a struggling middle class, rising income inequality, and a diminished social safety net."
https://www.freespeech.org/video/bernie-sanders-wrote-blurb-bill-press-b...
The below excerpt is food for thought -
The new book "Buyer's Remorse: How Obama Let Progressives Down" by Bill Press has just been released with a blurb by Bernie Sanders.
"In a book that came out last month, “Buyer’s Remorse: How Obama Let Progressives Down,”liberal commentator Bill Press gave voice to the complaints on the left that have accompanied Obama’s tenure.
Press offers the following summary of his argument: “On too many issues, once he got to the White House, President Obama abandoned his campaign promises and disappointed the people who worked so hard to elect him.”
He lists several areas where Obama’s efforts fell short. Obama improved on the economic disaster left by George W. Bush, but we nonetheless have “stagnant wages, a struggling middle class, rising income inequality, and a diminished social safety net."
https://www.freespeech.org/video/bernie-sanders-wrote-blurb-bill-press-b...
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Don't worry, the Clinton Campaign is like the Borg in Star Trek: The Next Generation. and Hillary the Queen Borg, they may be slow and lumbering, and they'll suffer a few body hits, but they quickly learn to adapt, coop Bernie's message, and assimilate his voters.
Going into Massachusetts, she assimilated Bernie's "wall street versus main street" rhetoric. She's already adapted: in her latest speech she vowed to "represent the underdog."
Resistance is futile.
Going into Massachusetts, she assimilated Bernie's "wall street versus main street" rhetoric. She's already adapted: in her latest speech she vowed to "represent the underdog."
Resistance is futile.
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But resist we must!
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I can't wait for the first nasty Twitter war between President Trump and Kim Jong Un!
For too long journalists, commentators and pundits have droned on about Bernie Sanders inability to win African American voters. In Michigan it seems that based on exit polling, a major divide in the Democratic electorate - that the media may be helping to further - was again between white working and middle class voters who chose Sanders and African American voters who went for Clinton.
Bernie Sanders has young voters and Hillary Clinton has older voters- that's a given - but last night I was shocked to hear a CNN commentator state that Hillary did not just have a problem with the "youth vote" - she had a problem with the white vote.
The Clinton campaign, to win the delegate rich states of the South where African Americans make up the majority of the Democratic primary electorate, has cast her as running for President Obama's "third term". This approach may work in racking up delegates and winning the nomination but leaves me quite concerned about how she will perform in a national election where voters, while certainly more diverse than the Democratic primary electorate in states like Vermont are equally dissimilar to the Democratic primary voters in states like South Carolina or Mississippi.
Bernie Sanders has young voters and Hillary Clinton has older voters- that's a given - but last night I was shocked to hear a CNN commentator state that Hillary did not just have a problem with the "youth vote" - she had a problem with the white vote.
The Clinton campaign, to win the delegate rich states of the South where African Americans make up the majority of the Democratic primary electorate, has cast her as running for President Obama's "third term". This approach may work in racking up delegates and winning the nomination but leaves me quite concerned about how she will perform in a national election where voters, while certainly more diverse than the Democratic primary electorate in states like Vermont are equally dissimilar to the Democratic primary voters in states like South Carolina or Mississippi.
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Bernie wins primaries, but Clinton gets delegates. At some point, doesn't this suggest something disturbing to the party base?
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Typical Sanderista, saying the states Hillary has won shouldn't count.
Combine it with the repeated racism they post and you get a continuing attitude of superiority and grotesque elitism.
Combine it with the repeated racism they post and you get a continuing attitude of superiority and grotesque elitism.
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Final results from Michigan show Bernie and Hillary about 18,500 votes apart statewide. That means that if 9,300 of Bernie's voters had voted Hillary instead, she would have won.
Hillary under performed in every demographic compared to predictions. If she had done as well among blacks as she did in Mississippi on the same day, just in Wayne County alone, she would have gotten those extra 9,300 voters. As it was, they were nearly 40% for Bernie, instead of Mississippi's about 20%.
That means that every demographic contributed to this outcome. Bernie gained support across all groups, even his weakest. Hillary lost support across all groups, even her strongest.
This shift was across the board, and it came contrary to polls. It was either recent, or something the polls entirely misunderstood.
In fact, the blizzard of Hillary ads were quite offensive. She may have done herself in. Bernie's ads were quite effective, so he may have helped himself. The polls themselves might have motivated Bernie supporters to "show them" and reassured Hillary voters to relax or even vote the Republican ballot against Trump, say for Kasich who was much higher than expected.
Or this could be the effect of cell phones avoiding polls. That might be especially true among those most reliant on cell phones, the poor, the black, students, those who are all three.
This overturned not just one election, but expectations about how demographics would behave across the board.
Hillary under performed in every demographic compared to predictions. If she had done as well among blacks as she did in Mississippi on the same day, just in Wayne County alone, she would have gotten those extra 9,300 voters. As it was, they were nearly 40% for Bernie, instead of Mississippi's about 20%.
That means that every demographic contributed to this outcome. Bernie gained support across all groups, even his weakest. Hillary lost support across all groups, even her strongest.
This shift was across the board, and it came contrary to polls. It was either recent, or something the polls entirely misunderstood.
In fact, the blizzard of Hillary ads were quite offensive. She may have done herself in. Bernie's ads were quite effective, so he may have helped himself. The polls themselves might have motivated Bernie supporters to "show them" and reassured Hillary voters to relax or even vote the Republican ballot against Trump, say for Kasich who was much higher than expected.
Or this could be the effect of cell phones avoiding polls. That might be especially true among those most reliant on cell phones, the poor, the black, students, those who are all three.
This overturned not just one election, but expectations about how demographics would behave across the board.
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Blah blah.
She is ahead of him by a half million votes already, and she beat him by another 120,000 votes already.
For all the talk from Bernie supporters about democracy, you sure to seem to ignore actual vote totals.
In 2008, Hillary matched Obama's vote totals, but lost a bunch of Red states to him and he won the nomination.
Hillary supporters were upset but didn't insist on taking the fight to July and go around the country undercutting Obama's chances against McCain.
They were completely civil about it, stood behind the winner, and supported him 100%.
I only hope that Bernie's people do the same - look at the vote totals, look at the pledged delegates, see who is up by 20 points in both categories, and begin to support the winner.
She is ahead of him by a half million votes already, and she beat him by another 120,000 votes already.
For all the talk from Bernie supporters about democracy, you sure to seem to ignore actual vote totals.
In 2008, Hillary matched Obama's vote totals, but lost a bunch of Red states to him and he won the nomination.
Hillary supporters were upset but didn't insist on taking the fight to July and go around the country undercutting Obama's chances against McCain.
They were completely civil about it, stood behind the winner, and supported him 100%.
I only hope that Bernie's people do the same - look at the vote totals, look at the pledged delegates, see who is up by 20 points in both categories, and begin to support the winner.
Your comment on Clinton's speech last night— says it all:
"But none of the major cable news networks carried her remarks, which came as Mr. Trump was speaking."
The Donald speaks! Grab your equipment and genuflect, O media!
Yes indeed. Slaves to the Trumpet, ladies and gentlemen—I give you—Our Fourth Estate.
"But none of the major cable news networks carried her remarks, which came as Mr. Trump was speaking."
The Donald speaks! Grab your equipment and genuflect, O media!
Yes indeed. Slaves to the Trumpet, ladies and gentlemen—I give you—Our Fourth Estate.
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Hillary should "suddenly become ill" and drop out of the race. For if she doesn't,
she will have to deal with the growing liabilities of mishandling classified info.
Which in turn will taint the Dems in general, taking down Bernie too.
Thereby handing the Presidency to the GOP - likely Dondi.
Hillary is delusional if she believes that she will emerge from the investigation with a clean bill of health.
Americans who support her are at best misguided.
she will have to deal with the growing liabilities of mishandling classified info.
Which in turn will taint the Dems in general, taking down Bernie too.
Thereby handing the Presidency to the GOP - likely Dondi.
Hillary is delusional if she believes that she will emerge from the investigation with a clean bill of health.
Americans who support her are at best misguided.
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Why would I listen to the findings of some establishment organization headed by the same misguided politicians that Trump, Cruz, and Bernie all agree got us into this mess ?
If anything, I'd be more concerned if they cleared Hillary - it would mean some levers were pulled behind the scenes.
If anything, I'd be more concerned if they cleared Hillary - it would mean some levers were pulled behind the scenes.
Somehow the broken process that has dragged us to this point has actually worked.
We have, the staunch conservative, the progressive liberal, the centrist women, and the bullying businessman.
The gauntlet has been thrown down, and now we will see exactly who we are.
We have, the staunch conservative, the progressive liberal, the centrist women, and the bullying businessman.
The gauntlet has been thrown down, and now we will see exactly who we are.
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It is delightfully Ironic as well as Symbolic that the both the Florida and Ohio democratic primaries take place on March 15: The Ides of March. A date made famous in Shakespearean tragedy as a fateful and notorious day when the fortunes of the politically ambitious crumbled to dust.
Michigan was a game changer for Clinton as well as Sanders, it seems NAFTA, the trade agreement signed by President Bill Clinton that saw American Jobs and factories move south to Mexico is now coming back to haunt his wife. Sanders can now use NAFTA as a club to smash the Hillary campaign. And if Sanders wins Ohio on the Ides of March and heaven forbid Florida, then not even all the media clout in the world will be enough to get the derailed Hillary Train back on track.
Michigan was a game changer for Clinton as well as Sanders, it seems NAFTA, the trade agreement signed by President Bill Clinton that saw American Jobs and factories move south to Mexico is now coming back to haunt his wife. Sanders can now use NAFTA as a club to smash the Hillary campaign. And if Sanders wins Ohio on the Ides of March and heaven forbid Florida, then not even all the media clout in the world will be enough to get the derailed Hillary Train back on track.
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Sanders never had a prayer against the DNC establishment and the Clinton's. All Sanders is there for is to make it look like Hillary wasn't the automatic nominee on the DEMOCRAT side. Bernie was never going to get the nomination no matter how many states he won because the DNC fix was already in. I have to laugh at all the Progressive tools that feel Bernie is the man. Sadder to me though is all the Progressive tools that are for Hillary. You know them well. They dismiss, rationalize, and excuse all her criminality away as if it were nothing. Kind of makes you wonder what those same clowns would be saying if it was a Republican who had only been accused of doing what it is known Hillary has done. Somehow I seriously doubt they would let it slide. How about you?
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Bernie owes every single vote he got to the DNC establishment. He should ahve been a 3rd party independent candidate, but he USED the DNC establishment to get a higher profile.
Now he and his supporters are lambasting the very organization that gave him his entire career in Presidential politics. What an ungrateful bunch.
Now he and his supporters are lambasting the very organization that gave him his entire career in Presidential politics. What an ungrateful bunch.
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I've just purchased a Bernie bumper sticker, arriving in two to three weeks – they are very popular! – for my car. My spouse's car will sport no bumper sticker, because my husband remains unconvinced that Bernie's campaign is anything other than quixotic.
A car with a Bernie bumper sticker, in Chappaqua, the Clintons' home base, is like a Democrat in Idaho – pretty rare. I am willing, however, to be the family optimist -- and, in the town parking lot, an anomaly.
A car with a Bernie bumper sticker, in Chappaqua, the Clintons' home base, is like a Democrat in Idaho – pretty rare. I am willing, however, to be the family optimist -- and, in the town parking lot, an anomaly.
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"Bernie Sanders scores an upset win" over Hillary Clinton with a win in Michigan the article says. Hmmm. OK. It's really relatively close with Bernie at 49.9% to Hillary's 48.2%. Not only that, but the delegate count in Michigan (not counting any super delegates -- just the ones from the primary) is Sanders: 65 delegates to Hillary: 68 delegates. This is due to the factors of the precincts carried, number of people in those precincts, etc. for delegate allocation. If Hillary is "losing", I'll take that over "winning" any day!
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"But none of the major cable news networks carried her remarks, which came as Mr. Trump was speaking" says so much about the news media's shirking of it's duty to the American people and playing to the Kardashian crowd. One of the dangerous events that occurred in our country was when the news department became part of the entertainment department for TV stations.Walter Cronkite must be turning over in his grave.
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Much of who we are can be found in our family heritage. Most people, without even knowing it, go about life acting out our family history ...good...and bad. Since Donald Drumpf is attempting to become the President of the United States, we as a people need to know what makes Donald Drumpf who he is, what makes him tick, what is his history and how will that history be acted out...hopefully while not in charge of this country.
Donald Drumpf...his true family name. His family came to be in the US because his grandfather skipped out of Germany to avoid the draft. When the grandfather went back, Germany expelled him and deported him.
I wonder where his need to deport everyone comes from?
Donald Drumpf...a successful man...I don't think so!
Google:
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump (HBO)
Donald Drumpf...his true family name. His family came to be in the US because his grandfather skipped out of Germany to avoid the draft. When the grandfather went back, Germany expelled him and deported him.
I wonder where his need to deport everyone comes from?
Donald Drumpf...a successful man...I don't think so!
Google:
Last Week Tonight with John Oliver: Donald Trump (HBO)
Wow! That's the first positive thing I've ever heard about Trump!
Wow...Bernie got 20,000 more votes than Hillary in Michigan. To a Sanders supporter, I guess that's a landslide. He is George Washington, Lincoln, FDR and JFK combined. When Trump wins, I hope all the young idealists are in good physical shape by the time their draft notices arrive this time next year. Or perhaps apply to be a conscientious objector and if you qualify get a job in the by then thriving Trump Enterprise's nuclear bomb shelter division.
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Not that I want Trump, but if you paid attention to Trump, he is against involvement in foreign wars. So, no FUD about Drafting please!
Hillary is much more sympathetic to neocon aspirations, so we are more likely to get involved in wars in her administration.
Hillary is much more sympathetic to neocon aspirations, so we are more likely to get involved in wars in her administration.
I've read the usual comments, and I have say that it's strange to me how little we are admitting that GENDER plays a role in this race. How many white men are not voting for Hillary Clinton because she has been subjected to a number of gendered stereotypes that we now accept as fact about her character? "Sneaky." "Shrill." "Calculating." "Slept with the president to get ahead." I even heard her compared to Tracy Flick in these comments. That's what the results of this election cycle are saying to me loud and clear, and that's what is fueling a lot of the anger toward the idea of her as president. Not all of it -- but more than we would ever want to admit.
Patriarchy is the elephant in the room.
Patriarchy is the elephant in the room.
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And how many women are voting for HRC solely due to her gender?
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Nice try.
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NAFTA cost America millions of manufacturing jobs; the middle-class paid the bill to bail out of Wall Street, who are still operating the way they did prior to the crash because establishment politicians from Obama to the most reactionary Republican across the aisle refused to go up against them. Hillary Clinton will do nothing to change that. Her only value is in connection with the SCOTUS.
Both sides engaged in petty partisan politics for nearly three decades. People are tired and angry and if you listen to Trump in one on one interviews he actually comes across as gentler and more thoughtful.
The media has to stop demonizing Trump because they are, in fact, demonizing his supporters, and his supporters have good reasons for their anger, and no other way to express it other than telling the establishment to take a long walk off a short pier.
The commentariat and the ivory tower journos and the pious politicians are doing with Trump what they did (and are still doing) with the migrant crisis in Europe: face-palming in horror at the ignorance of the hoi polloi, and forgetting about the lost neighborhoods, the shredded sense of culture and values, and the ruthless pandering to whatever global corporate lobbyist is in the room at the moment.
Old English saying: 'He who will not when he may, When he will, he shall have nay." In other words, the can you keep kicking down the road will eventually explode in your face, when it is too late to rectify your mistakes.
Both sides engaged in petty partisan politics for nearly three decades. People are tired and angry and if you listen to Trump in one on one interviews he actually comes across as gentler and more thoughtful.
The media has to stop demonizing Trump because they are, in fact, demonizing his supporters, and his supporters have good reasons for their anger, and no other way to express it other than telling the establishment to take a long walk off a short pier.
The commentariat and the ivory tower journos and the pious politicians are doing with Trump what they did (and are still doing) with the migrant crisis in Europe: face-palming in horror at the ignorance of the hoi polloi, and forgetting about the lost neighborhoods, the shredded sense of culture and values, and the ruthless pandering to whatever global corporate lobbyist is in the room at the moment.
Old English saying: 'He who will not when he may, When he will, he shall have nay." In other words, the can you keep kicking down the road will eventually explode in your face, when it is too late to rectify your mistakes.
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Another myth.
You have no idea how many jobs would have been lost to bankruptcies, mergers, or production cuts without NAFTA.
No idea.
Michael Moore wrote and directed a full length feature film about the plight of Flint Michigan 5 years before NAFTA, and 4 years before Clinton took office. Stop trying to pretend that everything was roses and jelly beans until NAFTA came along and ruined everything. It's a lie.
You have no idea how many jobs would have been lost to bankruptcies, mergers, or production cuts without NAFTA.
No idea.
Michael Moore wrote and directed a full length feature film about the plight of Flint Michigan 5 years before NAFTA, and 4 years before Clinton took office. Stop trying to pretend that everything was roses and jelly beans until NAFTA came along and ruined everything. It's a lie.
Altogether too often it seems the NYT gives the Hillary camp the last word as in this piece: The closing four paragraphs were a bit much. Mr. Berenson hardly stands out as sage with his assertion about the primacy of the delegate count.
Bernie beats a 20% poll deficit to win Michigan and that earns terse coverage mitigated by the Democratic delegate count -- a disturbing issue in its own right vis a vis the role and leanings of the Dem super delegates.
Bernie beats a 20% poll deficit to win Michigan and that earns terse coverage mitigated by the Democratic delegate count -- a disturbing issue in its own right vis a vis the role and leanings of the Dem super delegates.
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In another attempt at disinformation with regards to Sanders and a furthered attempt to soft pedal Hillary's past bad judgement, NY Times prints this: "Instead, Mr. Sanders can march into Illinois, Ohio and Missouri next Tuesday newly emboldened to lash Mrs. Clinton over her past support for free trade agreements, which he says have wiped out thousands of industrial jobs."
What Sanders actually says... and I've heard it over and over: "Tens of thousands of manufacturing plants and millions upon millions of jobs."
Clinton's trade agreements and Hillary's support for them over the years have proven disastrous for the United States. They've resulted in lower growth, lower incomes, and lower opportunity overall. More Clinton bad judgement - and I thank the Almighty that Bernie has the courage to tell the voters the truth.
What Sanders actually says... and I've heard it over and over: "Tens of thousands of manufacturing plants and millions upon millions of jobs."
Clinton's trade agreements and Hillary's support for them over the years have proven disastrous for the United States. They've resulted in lower growth, lower incomes, and lower opportunity overall. More Clinton bad judgement - and I thank the Almighty that Bernie has the courage to tell the voters the truth.
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Watching from up here in the peanut gallery I can't help but wonder why the U.S. media hasn't picked up on what I think is an intriguing (and revealing) undercurrent in the Democratic primary race. That's: the Democratic Establishment's efforts to fix the selection process and ensure their candidate wins. Poor Bernie Sanders . . . an idealist in a world of pragmatic political sharks who care only about one thing: power. Hilary represents the status quo, more of the same. And to me it seems the only thing to recommend her her gender. I don't have a vote, of course, but I am an interested distant observer.
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Often, when you are on the outside looking in, things are much clearer.
Oh well, another day after another night of of primaries. And after all the analysis, fit or not to print, flying over the transom, nothing changed except the totals have gotten higher.
The results remain the same, it's Hillary and, dare we speak the name, Trump, who extend their leads and continue moving the campaign train on down the line.
Despite an all-out effort to stop Trump he keeps on winning, accumulating more delegates. No matter what happens from here on in he will be a force to reckon with when the GOP convenes in Cleveland.
Last night Hillary won the majority of delegates despite her narrow loss in Michigan, a proportional state. She has passed the halfway point in delegates and though she is not winning the white well-to-do crowd and the youth she is solid with minorities and the most consistent voting bloc, seniors. In Ohio Hillary has her work cut out for her while Florida's reliable elderly base is in Hillary's corner.
All in all, we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. A few more contests in late March and then the big push to places like New York in April, where the top two candidates will be on their home turf.
DD
Manhattan
The results remain the same, it's Hillary and, dare we speak the name, Trump, who extend their leads and continue moving the campaign train on down the line.
Despite an all-out effort to stop Trump he keeps on winning, accumulating more delegates. No matter what happens from here on in he will be a force to reckon with when the GOP convenes in Cleveland.
Last night Hillary won the majority of delegates despite her narrow loss in Michigan, a proportional state. She has passed the halfway point in delegates and though she is not winning the white well-to-do crowd and the youth she is solid with minorities and the most consistent voting bloc, seniors. In Ohio Hillary has her work cut out for her while Florida's reliable elderly base is in Hillary's corner.
All in all, we are starting to see the light at the end of the tunnel. A few more contests in late March and then the big push to places like New York in April, where the top two candidates will be on their home turf.
DD
Manhattan
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And if the Democratic establishment insists on Hillary being the candidate, despite Bernie Sanders' wins, by juggling the delegate count, Donald Trump may very well win the general election. Some Bernie voters will cross over.
The Democratic establishment needs to now pay attention to the will of the people, not the will of its political class.
The Democratic establishment needs to now pay attention to the will of the people, not the will of its political class.
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Did it ever occur to you that millions of average people are Clinton supporters?
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Not fair:
"The two angy old men win again?"
Age-wise, Hillary's not far behind either Trump or Sanders (she'd be the second oldest President ever elected), and she's had more publicly reported health problems than either of them. Keep in mind that she collapsed at home in late 2011 and had to be rushed to the hospital. That was attributed to exhaustion from hard work as Secretary of State, but it was unsettling.
Whichever one of the three wins (assuming one of them does), we should pay closer attention than usual to his or her running mate. It used to be that a President wouldn't die in office unless he was shot, but we've never got much older candidates than usual this time.
"The two angy old men win again?"
Age-wise, Hillary's not far behind either Trump or Sanders (she'd be the second oldest President ever elected), and she's had more publicly reported health problems than either of them. Keep in mind that she collapsed at home in late 2011 and had to be rushed to the hospital. That was attributed to exhaustion from hard work as Secretary of State, but it was unsettling.
Whichever one of the three wins (assuming one of them does), we should pay closer attention than usual to his or her running mate. It used to be that a President wouldn't die in office unless he was shot, but we've never got much older candidates than usual this time.
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At this point, Hillary Clinton needs to sit down with her campaign staff and come up with a new fake message and fake agenda.
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No she doesn't. I'd love to know what you think are her fake messages and fake agenda.
Yeah - it's tough only having the most votes and beating your closest opponent by 20 points.
The only thing fake here is your reality.
The only thing fake here is your reality.
The angry white man crowd up in the Hudson Valley is clearly for Trump, and hate women. The kiddie car crowd is in the bag for Sanders. It's like a remake of 'Angry Old Men' that some shriveled Hollywood producer has stuffed down the throat of some unwilling lassies.
As a moderate Republican, I find myself thinking fondly of Hillary Clinton. Yes she wants to be president. Wouldn't it be rather insane if she was doing all this for years and didn't want the office? No, I don't buy the Big Lie Republican Mantra- "you can't trust her.'' Oh, I trust Mitch McConnell? Rubio? or Trump, so much more? ARE YOU KIDDING?
Clinton is a professional and she plays well with others. That's what I want in the White House. I surely don't want Bernie the Blowhard who yells the same dumb speech out every time and has a chorus of sign waving idiots in the frame to convince me what he is saying is exciting. It isn't. It's stupid, shallow, unreasoned, and redundant. It is as far from exciting as the Donald assuring me that when he decides to finally do his homework after he's graduated Phi Beta Kappa on his word, that it will be ''the best paper ever.'' He's simply a crook, and all of us who know him know this. A cheap shill and con. No. My vote is going for Clinton for President. Save me from the old men, and their older more tired lies and retread ideas.
As a moderate Republican, I find myself thinking fondly of Hillary Clinton. Yes she wants to be president. Wouldn't it be rather insane if she was doing all this for years and didn't want the office? No, I don't buy the Big Lie Republican Mantra- "you can't trust her.'' Oh, I trust Mitch McConnell? Rubio? or Trump, so much more? ARE YOU KIDDING?
Clinton is a professional and she plays well with others. That's what I want in the White House. I surely don't want Bernie the Blowhard who yells the same dumb speech out every time and has a chorus of sign waving idiots in the frame to convince me what he is saying is exciting. It isn't. It's stupid, shallow, unreasoned, and redundant. It is as far from exciting as the Donald assuring me that when he decides to finally do his homework after he's graduated Phi Beta Kappa on his word, that it will be ''the best paper ever.'' He's simply a crook, and all of us who know him know this. A cheap shill and con. No. My vote is going for Clinton for President. Save me from the old men, and their older more tired lies and retread ideas.
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I am glad the Dem nomination process is turning out to be a real race. I am yet undecided since I admire both HRC and Berne Sanders- so having a real race to discuss real issues just helps the Dems in general- and will harden the eventual nominee to withstand any nonsense Trump or Cruz can hurl.
A word of caution though.... whoever becomes the nominee in July, all the Dems need to stand behind the nominee and get the vote out with urgency-otherwise, we might be muttering the words "President Trump" or President Cruz" in 2017....the country could not withstand that assault on basic decency.
A word of caution though.... whoever becomes the nominee in July, all the Dems need to stand behind the nominee and get the vote out with urgency-otherwise, we might be muttering the words "President Trump" or President Cruz" in 2017....the country could not withstand that assault on basic decency.
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"...Clinton lost badly among Independents..." Again! Confirming the polls, again!
Independents decide elections in November and Independents don't like Hillary. They find her untrustworthy. And she's making things worse by covering up the contents of her Wall Street speeches.
Hillary is a November liability.
Independents decide elections in November and Independents don't like Hillary. They find her untrustworthy. And she's making things worse by covering up the contents of her Wall Street speeches.
Hillary is a November liability.
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There is no cover up... but she does have contractual obligations. The speeches are " intellectual property" of those who paid her. Easy to verify.
I'd like to see Hillary win, but I guess Tom thinks I'm a nobody. Do you really have to be so undignified with your sour grapes?
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Who is the only candidate that can really bring jobs back to the US, improve the economy, keep people safe from terrorism, and pay down the US deficit? There is only one answer here folks.
"Pay down the U.S. deficit"?
Got it, by cutting taxes and raising defense spending.
Never mind the racism, xenophobia, misogyny, etc. of Trump supporters, and GOP voters in general. Its their ignorance of kindergarten-level arithmetic that shakes me to the core.
Got it, by cutting taxes and raising defense spending.
Never mind the racism, xenophobia, misogyny, etc. of Trump supporters, and GOP voters in general. Its their ignorance of kindergarten-level arithmetic that shakes me to the core.
How can I not be for Bernie? Just in honor of my communist grandfather, it's a kick voting for the Bern! But, caution to my partners on this journey- the kind of mewling and whining I'm reading mixed with the bragging is so childish and stupid, STUPID!
First of all - massive win for Berie last night in Michigan - but no blow out and he lost Detroit. In the end it was Hillary winning last night with 87 delegates to our 65. Her lead keeps getting larger. Being in denial on that won't get us anywhere. Nor will dumping on the black voters in the south. Blacks like the Clintons whether it's what we think is best for them or not they have to be respected to come to their own decisions. Finally, Hillary has been pretty respectful to Bernie throughout this process. Just look over at Trump and the clowns. We need to come across as different from them- not the opposite flavor of the same ice cream.
First of all - massive win for Berie last night in Michigan - but no blow out and he lost Detroit. In the end it was Hillary winning last night with 87 delegates to our 65. Her lead keeps getting larger. Being in denial on that won't get us anywhere. Nor will dumping on the black voters in the south. Blacks like the Clintons whether it's what we think is best for them or not they have to be respected to come to their own decisions. Finally, Hillary has been pretty respectful to Bernie throughout this process. Just look over at Trump and the clowns. We need to come across as different from them- not the opposite flavor of the same ice cream.
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There's a corporate conspiracy to rob Sanders of the nomination, you guys! Duh! … Why must Sanders's minions be so very irritating? In the meantime, while we're having a hissy fit about the primaries, let's not forget that it's the legislative, not the executive, branch that's broken.
Sanders wants to make college free for everyone, even billionaires' kids. He wants to raise taxes on the middle class, and far more so than he states, particularly when massive shortfalls start showing up. He wants to reinstate a century-old law whose repeal did not cause the financial crisis in the first place—his followers' protestations to the contrary not withstanding.
He wants to pursue single-payer when the chance of its passage is zero; and he hoodwinks, or tries to, the entire world by the sorcerer's magic that goes into his mathematics. His foreign policy would be God knows what, peacenik that he is. He is what Hillary Clinton says he is: a one-issue candidate. Actually, because I personally don't believe he understand even THAT (inequality), I say he's something far worse: a dangerous commie who probably still has a Che Guevara poster on his wall and Chomsky's oeuvre on his bookshelf.
Republicans are right about this: There really is a problem with far Leftism in academia. Where are these young voters getting this garbage from? The answer's obvious. If I read one more thing, just one more thing, about corporations, Wall Street, and the so-called 1%, I'm going to puke.
Sanders wants to make college free for everyone, even billionaires' kids. He wants to raise taxes on the middle class, and far more so than he states, particularly when massive shortfalls start showing up. He wants to reinstate a century-old law whose repeal did not cause the financial crisis in the first place—his followers' protestations to the contrary not withstanding.
He wants to pursue single-payer when the chance of its passage is zero; and he hoodwinks, or tries to, the entire world by the sorcerer's magic that goes into his mathematics. His foreign policy would be God knows what, peacenik that he is. He is what Hillary Clinton says he is: a one-issue candidate. Actually, because I personally don't believe he understand even THAT (inequality), I say he's something far worse: a dangerous commie who probably still has a Che Guevara poster on his wall and Chomsky's oeuvre on his bookshelf.
Republicans are right about this: There really is a problem with far Leftism in academia. Where are these young voters getting this garbage from? The answer's obvious. If I read one more thing, just one more thing, about corporations, Wall Street, and the so-called 1%, I'm going to puke.
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Better run to the toilet because corporations, wall street and the 1% are robbing the rest of us blind, saying you don't what to hear it, does not make it untrue. Now go back and stick your head in the sand.
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Low information, high income.
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I think the narrative about Sanders "being rude" to Clinton when he told her not to interrupt him during the debate got it backwards... I think voters saw him as someone who will put Shrimp in his place head-to-head, and it energized enough voters in Michigan to put him on top. The Clinton-as-victim thing isn't what it used to be, and the bar for civility has been lowered...
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The '80s Reagan ideology was adopted by Reagan,Bill Clinton and the two Bush presidents. It is the story of the past. The young people don't understand why it took effect in the first place and the old people think it has run its course. It has enriched those who knew how to take advantage of it in both political parties. The Democratic and Republican establishment people are hanging on for dear life. This is understood by the young and by the "angry old white men" at a visceral level. The country is searching for a new ideology.
Two angry old white men are delivering, each with a very different idea: Donald the nativist billionaire businessman and Bernie the ecumenical anti-billionaire socialist.
Hillary is part of the Reagan-Clinton past. Rubio is an empty suit who spews the old ideology, not understanding it is over. Cruz is a brilliant man who also adopts the old ideology. I think Cruz will figure it out next time.
The problem is exacerbated by the decline of the "public intellectual" - the Internet means we no longer have reliable and robust bastions of intellectual political leadership such as William F. Buckley of the National Review, nor the key figures of the New Republic (defunct), the Nation, Commentary, or even the New York Review of Books.
Two angry old white men are delivering, each with a very different idea: Donald the nativist billionaire businessman and Bernie the ecumenical anti-billionaire socialist.
Hillary is part of the Reagan-Clinton past. Rubio is an empty suit who spews the old ideology, not understanding it is over. Cruz is a brilliant man who also adopts the old ideology. I think Cruz will figure it out next time.
The problem is exacerbated by the decline of the "public intellectual" - the Internet means we no longer have reliable and robust bastions of intellectual political leadership such as William F. Buckley of the National Review, nor the key figures of the New Republic (defunct), the Nation, Commentary, or even the New York Review of Books.
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Why do they run for President?
A job that no sane soul wants
• that Cruz will lose
• poor Bernie on a gurney (without an attorney)
• Hillary in a pillory (It will take a distillery)
Perhaps under Trump we’ll end up in the dump,
accompanied by worldwide taunts
I wish that Bloomberg could have saved us from this doom-and gloom-burg.
The need for someone else is evident.
(with apologies)
A job that no sane soul wants
• that Cruz will lose
• poor Bernie on a gurney (without an attorney)
• Hillary in a pillory (It will take a distillery)
Perhaps under Trump we’ll end up in the dump,
accompanied by worldwide taunts
I wish that Bloomberg could have saved us from this doom-and gloom-burg.
The need for someone else is evident.
(with apologies)
Why is Trump so terrifying, Marcella? He opposed the invasion of Iraq, and wants alliance with Russia. Hillary supported the invasion of Iraq, and has a neocon view of Russia. Little wonder that the powers of high finance and global business are spending millions to smear Trump. The issue is America First or the New World Order.
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A Grand Alliance of the US, Russia and India would be more than able to destroy an Islamic Caliphate before it could destroy the Western world.
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Trump is terrifying because he has no issue with violence, he doesn't know anything about the Constitution, has zero realistic plans for issues and he is highly not respected by world leaders he would have to work with.
Enough is enough. Sen. Sanders stays in to the end. The Clintons, already grooming Chelsea Clinton for the presidency, do not own the White House.
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The Sanders team have rightly cause to celebrate that they won Michigan by, it looks like,less than 2%, when they were polled to lose by double digits of some number like 20. The people of Michigan have had so much to contend with that I fully understand the desire to vent and Bernie gives people that avenue. Sort of a collective catharsis. Clinton may have been too measured for the audience there, less about punishment than solutions, and angry people can't listen that well in my personal experience. But I sure understand.
At the end of the day, literally, Sanders is now more behind in the count than he was when the day started so I am not sure this gets him anywhere except an excuse to stay in the race, which he was already determined to do. He must be having an absolute ball and it is pretty cool to see young people cheering on a pretty senior guy. Maybe this is a great move against ageism!
But, and I don't say this out of spite, I just don't see the numbers despite all the exuberance.
At the end of the day, literally, Sanders is now more behind in the count than he was when the day started so I am not sure this gets him anywhere except an excuse to stay in the race, which he was already determined to do. He must be having an absolute ball and it is pretty cool to see young people cheering on a pretty senior guy. Maybe this is a great move against ageism!
But, and I don't say this out of spite, I just don't see the numbers despite all the exuberance.
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I am sure the issues in Michigan started long before NAFTA. With people moving to suburbs, mismanagement of the industries, etc. So another person who plays on peoples fears. Hillary voted for the Auto Bailout and if not for that we would still be in a recession or maybe worse. So you get these college kids are completely misinformed and think this guy is going to give free college and 15 dollars minimum wage and single payer healthcare. Are they not taking economics and business at school to find out how much our taxes would increase and most of what he says is not going to happen. Instead of knowing that with the Clinton Administration we had a strong economy and he left with a 200 billion surplus. Then Bush left with over 200 billion deficit and we are still fixing his mess. It was sad to see her loss last night but glad she won another state and gained more delegates. People who believe in Hillary please get out and vote.
What disturbs me is that too many of Clinton's wins have come in deep red States, like Mississippi, that have no chance of giving any electoral votes to the Democrats. Being the favorite Democrat in the South is not a strategy for winning the election.
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Your other article about Bernie this morning (not taking responses) says that there is an ad that Bernie ran in Michigan Monday night to explain the auto bailout and how Hillary's attack was not true, that Bernie did vote for it. Could you please put a way for us to see that ad (put a link to it in that article so we can go to it). The media has never covered this controversy (here on TV) so that we can understand it well. Or write an entire article on it with that link. Did he vote before it before voting against it or vice versa?
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More Trump, Trump, Trump...
I am still hearing Repub talking heads object to him because "He's not really a conservative." I guess a slight taint of liberalism for them outweighs his racism, his crudeness, his childish insults, his inability to talk about anything but himself, and so on?
I am still hearing Repub talking heads object to him because "He's not really a conservative." I guess a slight taint of liberalism for them outweighs his racism, his crudeness, his childish insults, his inability to talk about anything but himself, and so on?
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The GOP establishment shot their wad trying to destroy Trump, and he responds with three victories. He holds a big lead in Ohio and Florida. By next Friday this race will be over and we can get ready for Trump as the nominee. The only question remaining is who his VP will be. If he selects someone like Jim Webb to pull off some Democratic voters, it's game over and we can get used to saying President Trump.
Well. He may be the nominee for you, and maybe even for Iowa. But Mr. Trump knows better than to visit any Fairs in New York City... And I for one, will NEVER "get used" to saying President Trump.
"If Tuesday’s Democratic primaries had been restricted to Democrats, Mrs. Clinton would have won landslides in Michigan and Mississippi. "
Quote from other NY Times article that does not allow comments - readers might bring reality in. How in .. does the NY times know this. One thing is sure and that is that the smug facade is crumbling and the fear of Bernie Sanders is showing. Maybe the NY Times is even beginning too feel the Bern.
Quote from other NY Times article that does not allow comments - readers might bring reality in. How in .. does the NY times know this. One thing is sure and that is that the smug facade is crumbling and the fear of Bernie Sanders is showing. Maybe the NY Times is even beginning too feel the Bern.
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Must have been very tiring for the new york times writers who had to stay up late last night rewriting the pre written clinton wins headlines to sanders wins headlines.
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From what I see the Clintonesque spin is that Michigan was an "essential tie", but similar results in Massachusetts and Iowa were victories. Let's be perfectly clear, when a candidate is projected to lose by some 30+% of the vote - as Sanders was in Michigan - and instead wins the majority THAT is more significant than the actual difference in numbers.
If the DNC and the media hadn't done all they could to keep Sanders' message from being heard around the country in the first months of this campaign, we know that he would have won more African American votes in the South and elsewhere. Contrast the media coverage of the racist and xenophobic Trump and the virtual blackout of Sanders during this campaign!
Sanders' message and proposals has the broadest appeal among potential democratic and Independent voters. African American voters are not instinctively anti-Sanders and polls show that they overwhelmingly support his social democratic proposals. This means they WILL support Sanders in the general election regardless of who he runs against.
Sanders can and will forge a 21st century New Deal coalition that can move this country forward for all of us, not just the 1%.
If the DNC and the media hadn't done all they could to keep Sanders' message from being heard around the country in the first months of this campaign, we know that he would have won more African American votes in the South and elsewhere. Contrast the media coverage of the racist and xenophobic Trump and the virtual blackout of Sanders during this campaign!
Sanders' message and proposals has the broadest appeal among potential democratic and Independent voters. African American voters are not instinctively anti-Sanders and polls show that they overwhelmingly support his social democratic proposals. This means they WILL support Sanders in the general election regardless of who he runs against.
Sanders can and will forge a 21st century New Deal coalition that can move this country forward for all of us, not just the 1%.
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A pointed remark from this article I think is getting ignored: But none of the major cable news networks carried her remarks, which came as Mr. Trump was speaking.
With all that is being said from the media about how terrible Trump is, then why in the world would they commit sooo much time to Trump's boring and senseless rambling "press conference" while Hillary was making substantive remarks? The two candidates were speaking at the same time, however no one on the cable news channels, including my dear MSNBC, dare took the opportunity to say, "Ya know what, we care more about substance and less about showmanship." Did Hillary really say anything new in her speech? Nope. Did Trump? God, no. In fact it seemed to just be one never-ending stream of consciousness (and who really needs more of this consciousness right now?).
However, which of the two images (and thus content) should we project on the screen in order to keep the election about real issues? Why not make this election about income inequality, immigration reform, racial inequality, infrastructure concerns, healthcare, women's reproductive rights, etc etc? Why must we make it about appeasing another white man's ego?
I don't typically buy the line about how bad the media is because I understand I need it to remain informed, but this time around? Shame on you.
With all that is being said from the media about how terrible Trump is, then why in the world would they commit sooo much time to Trump's boring and senseless rambling "press conference" while Hillary was making substantive remarks? The two candidates were speaking at the same time, however no one on the cable news channels, including my dear MSNBC, dare took the opportunity to say, "Ya know what, we care more about substance and less about showmanship." Did Hillary really say anything new in her speech? Nope. Did Trump? God, no. In fact it seemed to just be one never-ending stream of consciousness (and who really needs more of this consciousness right now?).
However, which of the two images (and thus content) should we project on the screen in order to keep the election about real issues? Why not make this election about income inequality, immigration reform, racial inequality, infrastructure concerns, healthcare, women's reproductive rights, etc etc? Why must we make it about appeasing another white man's ego?
I don't typically buy the line about how bad the media is because I understand I need it to remain informed, but this time around? Shame on you.
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Trump is a media creation. His candidacy has been propelled from the outset by their incessant attention to his every move. Day after day the online NYT has no less than half a dozen Trump articles, OpEds, Upshots, etc. on its homepage.
Hilary can't even make a new slogan, "It's not about insults, it's about results" sound convincing. She can't because she projects that she knows how forcefully "witty" she is being, it's so self conscious, like most EVERYTHING she says. Said for effect. Even if she believes it, it still comes out like she's saying it for effect, not for the truth. Very, very difficult to trust a communicator that does this. Whereas Mr. Sanders is, as we say Downunder, "fair dinkum" in what he says. He believes it. He stands behind it. He communicates honesty AND his record backs him up. -- Also, per another reader's comment, why does Joe Biden have to warm-up in the bullpen? Is the hierarchy in the Democratic party as power-mad/filled with the same self-importance as the Republican hierarchy? However, if I have to ask that question, I already know the answer.
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Since The Times is so heavily invested in Mrs. Clinton's candidacy, it comes as no surprise that defeat in a battleground state such as Michigan is rationalized, as always, through her lens. But if she had won there, one can only imagine the glee to the point of gloating.
Self-serving spin is very much a part of Clinton fatigue, and has been for a quarter-century on the national stage, and it'll be interesting to see it in overdrive when the task at hand is to strain credulity by putting a happy face on a federal indictment.
Self-serving spin is very much a part of Clinton fatigue, and has been for a quarter-century on the national stage, and it'll be interesting to see it in overdrive when the task at hand is to strain credulity by putting a happy face on a federal indictment.
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Michigan was basically a tie. Come on, it's a 1% difference, which means both Clinton and Sanders got the same number of delegates out of the deal, give or a take a few. Meanwhile, Clinton got almost all the Mississippi delegates, so it was a pretty good night for her as far as the nomination is concerned. If they were voting for President of Michigan then yes, perhaps last night's outcome was bad for Clinton.
Speaking of Bill Clinton ...
"Bill and Hilary were okay for like the 1990's America. Sorry to be rude, but Hilary, it's time to go."
I just looked up the 1992 Michigan primary results. Bill Clinton got almost double what the next-best Democratic candidate got (Tsongas), who withdrew the next day.
"Bill and Hilary were okay for like the 1990's America. Sorry to be rude, but Hilary, it's time to go."
I just looked up the 1992 Michigan primary results. Bill Clinton got almost double what the next-best Democratic candidate got (Tsongas), who withdrew the next day.
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The monotonous and far from accurate mantra from the Sanders devout is that all the states Clinton is winning and her majority support among moderate and African American voters is 'irrelevant.' Nothing could be more opposite the truth.
Hillary is precisely the Presidential candidate we Democrats will need come November against what is emerging as a Trump Republican candidacy - or a split ticket if their neo-con wing is to be mollified.
The Democrats will have to be able to win some surprise states like Texas with the help of the Castro brothers, and Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida as well as the swing states like Ohio.
The center and a strong minority showing is what brings Democrat victories to the White House. An single note-anti-big-business Socialist from Vermont will bring us 1968 or 1972. That is the blunt truth.
Hillary is precisely the Presidential candidate we Democrats will need come November against what is emerging as a Trump Republican candidacy - or a split ticket if their neo-con wing is to be mollified.
The Democrats will have to be able to win some surprise states like Texas with the help of the Castro brothers, and Virginia, North Carolina, and Florida as well as the swing states like Ohio.
The center and a strong minority showing is what brings Democrat victories to the White House. An single note-anti-big-business Socialist from Vermont will bring us 1968 or 1972. That is the blunt truth.
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The truth is that most of Clinton's wins have come in deep red states like Mississippi which will never yield a single electoral vote to her or any other Democrat.
The truth is that Clinton will be running against a Trump most likely. Bernie will be on the sidelines, and Virginia, North Carolina, Louisiana, Texas, and Florida could be crucial for the Democrats.
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Bernie - Why would anyone want this foolish man to be our POTUS? He didn't get his first job until he was 40, and that was as a politician; he hasn't worked an honest day in his life. His understanding of economics is non-existent! He does not believe in our Constitution or the Bill of Rights - from his own mouth. His plans, ideas, and spending will make Obama's look like a walk in the park. Nothing is free and you have NO RIGHT to take the hard work of others.
Hillary - Is a corrupt criminal whose crimes WILL catch up with her. Today or tomorrow, she will be held accountable. She has put the security of our nation at risk with her Email Server and her deals that sold our Uranium to Russia. She openly lies to American's and just like Obama, will tell you one thing then do another. If you believe any other way, then you have not done your research on this woman, her husband, and how their VERY powerful organization has protected them over the years.
Trump and Cruz... I have issues with both, but not nearly the negatives as the small Democratic field.
Hillary - Is a corrupt criminal whose crimes WILL catch up with her. Today or tomorrow, she will be held accountable. She has put the security of our nation at risk with her Email Server and her deals that sold our Uranium to Russia. She openly lies to American's and just like Obama, will tell you one thing then do another. If you believe any other way, then you have not done your research on this woman, her husband, and how their VERY powerful organization has protected them over the years.
Trump and Cruz... I have issues with both, but not nearly the negatives as the small Democratic field.
Hillary Clinton is a robot. She dispassionately remarks on her so-called accomplishments and support for the middle class while her record for the last 30 years speaks stunning volumes totally discrediting her claims. Hillary supported NAFTA. NAFTA destroyed millions of jobs and tens of thousands of business and industries across the United States. Despite her dismal record of destruction she still speaks as though she were champion of the middle class. She is not!
Hillary campaigned in Mississippi deciding to let her banner be carried by African Americans. She totally disregarded the white middle class of Michigan where Bernie Sanders was received as a rock star. Finally someone is listening to the white middle class and their new young voters. Hillary missed that.
Hillary does not understand how millennials feel about the fact that their parents and grandparent's futures, their retirements and their hopes and dreams were destroyed by Clinton economic and policies. And by Mr. Obama's too.
The 1990s brought devastation to white middle class families as well as to African American and other minorities. The dot.com bubble and the crash of the stock market in 2008 wrecked what the Clinton trade policies had not.
This election is not about civil rights or immigration. It is not about winning health care for a few more. It is not about women's rights or a women as president.
This election is about destroyed futures, retirements and the hopes and dreams of 3 generations.
Hillary campaigned in Mississippi deciding to let her banner be carried by African Americans. She totally disregarded the white middle class of Michigan where Bernie Sanders was received as a rock star. Finally someone is listening to the white middle class and their new young voters. Hillary missed that.
Hillary does not understand how millennials feel about the fact that their parents and grandparent's futures, their retirements and their hopes and dreams were destroyed by Clinton economic and policies. And by Mr. Obama's too.
The 1990s brought devastation to white middle class families as well as to African American and other minorities. The dot.com bubble and the crash of the stock market in 2008 wrecked what the Clinton trade policies had not.
This election is not about civil rights or immigration. It is not about winning health care for a few more. It is not about women's rights or a women as president.
This election is about destroyed futures, retirements and the hopes and dreams of 3 generations.
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Another Sanders supporter crying for the plight of white people. Well, at least this one isn't saying African Americans don't know what they're doing or that they are anti-semites (two things I've seen posted repeatedly in the Times by Sanderistas).
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or could there be a headline a truly objective journalistic and kind of ethical newspaper would show - like - Yes!:
After one of the biggest errors in polling history Bernie Sanders wins Michigan.
- and in much smaller print:
On the Repuplican side the 'serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully" is still leading.
After one of the biggest errors in polling history Bernie Sanders wins Michigan.
- and in much smaller print:
On the Repuplican side the 'serial liar, rampant xenophobe, racist, misogynist, birther and bully" is still leading.
Is a method of how certain GOP leaders might help corporations to dodge Environmental Regulations revealed by the State of Michigan possibly using that same method to dodge Flint lead-water findings?
After hearing that the regional EPA was informed of the Flint water findings but did not further investigate because the legal paperwork was not filed properly by Michigan’s State environmental agency, I questioned if certain States and environmental agencies file the legal paper work ‘not properly, on purpose’ so that the regional EPA cannot legally investigate the findings on a federal level, to protect certain corporations. (Did Governor Snyder and/or others in state agencies loyal to Republican leadership use that same method to cover for the environmental findings of lead in Flint’s water?)
When the head’s of the State environmental agencies then ‘do not resubmit the information properly’; it suggests they did ‘half-report’ the findings if they are ever later questioned, but it also might suggest that they are protecting corporations from federal oversight. (Wouldn’t the State environmental agencies ‘know’ that if they did not ‘resubmit’ the Flint findings properly, they would not be fully federally investigated, and it would protect the GOP-Governor?)
State environmental agencies 'repetitively' not reporting questionable findings 'properly', may suggest a motive of deception by someone or some group connected with those agencies with ‘conscious-intent’.
After hearing that the regional EPA was informed of the Flint water findings but did not further investigate because the legal paperwork was not filed properly by Michigan’s State environmental agency, I questioned if certain States and environmental agencies file the legal paper work ‘not properly, on purpose’ so that the regional EPA cannot legally investigate the findings on a federal level, to protect certain corporations. (Did Governor Snyder and/or others in state agencies loyal to Republican leadership use that same method to cover for the environmental findings of lead in Flint’s water?)
When the head’s of the State environmental agencies then ‘do not resubmit the information properly’; it suggests they did ‘half-report’ the findings if they are ever later questioned, but it also might suggest that they are protecting corporations from federal oversight. (Wouldn’t the State environmental agencies ‘know’ that if they did not ‘resubmit’ the Flint findings properly, they would not be fully federally investigated, and it would protect the GOP-Governor?)
State environmental agencies 'repetitively' not reporting questionable findings 'properly', may suggest a motive of deception by someone or some group connected with those agencies with ‘conscious-intent’.
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The GOP hasn't won a presidential election since Saint Ronnie of the Iran Contra arms deal without having somebody named bush steal it by disenfranchising and suppressing the voters who don't vote GOP. 93,000 African American Floridan voters that is.
Watch the desperation as the voting rules squeeze the poor and minorities again.
Diebolt voting machines anyone?
Watch the desperation as the voting rules squeeze the poor and minorities again.
Diebolt voting machines anyone?
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Hillary has been winning big in the south as that's where most of the early primaries have been. Maybe she's a regional candidate. Let's see how she does now that more of the primaries are in other parts of the country
Democrats have a lot to worry about: Clinton is an extremely awkward and unnatural politician, and street-fighter Donald Trump will have months to work on her in front of the general electorate. Just look at how quickly Rubio fell when he tried to fight Trump on Trump’s terms.
What will resonate with "blue collar Republicans" and the middle class are visceral examples exposing Trump as their foe, not their savior. Such as:
1. Trump’s tax plan will cut taxes on the top 1% by millions, thereby adding $1 trillion to the national debt. The middle class and blue collar workers would likely see cuts in Social Security and Medicare in order to cover such tax cuts to Trump, Donald Jr. and the rich.
2. Trump rants and raves about Muslims and Mexicans. But is Trump checking IDs and turning away Muslims and Mexicans at his hotels and casinos? Or is he lining his pockets with their money?
3. Trump claims he could have settled the Trump University lawsuit for a “little money” but didn’t out of principle. Democratic response: “I’m sure the suit involves a “little money” for Donald Trump, but not for Jane Doe, for example, who lost $5000 she paid in tuition.”
4. Trump constantly emphasizes he is “not a politician.” Underscore he is a natural politician with specific examples of him talking out of both sides of his mouth on an issue, often in the same interview.
What will resonate with "blue collar Republicans" and the middle class are visceral examples exposing Trump as their foe, not their savior. Such as:
1. Trump’s tax plan will cut taxes on the top 1% by millions, thereby adding $1 trillion to the national debt. The middle class and blue collar workers would likely see cuts in Social Security and Medicare in order to cover such tax cuts to Trump, Donald Jr. and the rich.
2. Trump rants and raves about Muslims and Mexicans. But is Trump checking IDs and turning away Muslims and Mexicans at his hotels and casinos? Or is he lining his pockets with their money?
3. Trump claims he could have settled the Trump University lawsuit for a “little money” but didn’t out of principle. Democratic response: “I’m sure the suit involves a “little money” for Donald Trump, but not for Jane Doe, for example, who lost $5000 she paid in tuition.”
4. Trump constantly emphasizes he is “not a politician.” Underscore he is a natural politician with specific examples of him talking out of both sides of his mouth on an issue, often in the same interview.
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Correction to example 1 in my original post: It is reported that Trump's tax plan will add $10 trillion to the national debt, not just $1 trillion.
What percentage of Hillary's reported delegate lead are super-deligates? A comparison of delegates won in various state primaries/caucuses would better reflect voter preference rather than including "super-deligates" who can change their support to Saunders as he earns more voter based delegates.
I noticed that most Hillary's victories are in southern states that will likely vote for the Republican candidate (Trump?) in November.
I noticed that most Hillary's victories are in southern states that will likely vote for the Republican candidate (Trump?) in November.
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It is not only the misogyny and racism of Bernie's supporters att it on display here (black votes don't count) but also a peculiar xenophobia. They are ready to embark on a trade war with China who has suddenly become the global villain - ironically so for the supporters of a self-declared socialist! Well, imagine that you could bring all the manufacturing jobs back. It'll never happen but you can still dream. And what will happen to the most populous nation on Earth? Will China collapse, bringing about the global recession that will make the 2008 recession look like a child's play? Will it disintegrate and start a domino fall of global instability? Or - as more likely - nothing at all will happen to China but the so-called "revolution:" Bernie and Trump promise will destabilize the US and destroy its economy?
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I, personally, am not a misogynist nor am I a racist. We New Yorkers have our New York values which transcend xenophobia.
So anyone who supports Sanders hates women and is a racist? Here we go again. Just like in 2008 any criticism of Clinton is met with charges of sexism from her camp, and now anyone who prefers another candidate is racist as well (last time I looked both Clinton and Sanders are white). It apparently never dawned on the Clinton camp that someone could favor Sanders on the issues. Give it a rest, folks. Calling someone racist or sexist because they support a political opponent is not a good way to attract new supporters, and frankly is getting rather old.
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Hillary Clinton: putting the "rat" in democrat. Both parties have systems designed to keep the will of the people at bay.
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Majority of Americans know that a vote for TRUMP is a vote to take our country back from the corrupt politicians, lobbyists, bankers and elite. We know that a few wealthy international banker families took over our monetary system in 1913. We used to print our own money with no interest attached. They bribed our congress in 1913 and they started to print our money out of thin air and loan it back to us with interest. All of income tax dollars go to pay just the interest on these loans every year. This system, called the Federal Reserve which isn't Federal at all, gives great power to a handful of international bankers, non-Americans, and they use it to enrich themselves and control the masses. This system is the biggest financial scam and ponzi scheme in the history of the U.S. And now these same individuals have been and continue to secretly negotiate trade deals that enrich themselves and destroy our economy and society. Google History of the Federal Reserve and the TPP, TTIP and TISA trade deals. You will be stunned and angry once you understand what is really going on in our country. We, the people, have to take back our country and our lives from these criminals.
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And Trump will do this how?
All the more reason to give Bernie a long and hard look; his platform speaks to the issue of monetary fairness. His entire campaign is based on setting things right. Aside from being the candidate with the highest integrity, he is also the smartest man in the room.
Trump's support seems to be limited to about 1/3 of the Republican voters. That is enough to win primaries but won't carry the day in Nov.
I wish the pro-Clinton media would stop claiming that Clinton is "far ahead" in the delegate count when she isn't. Those super delegate counts are what is keeping Clinton ahead for now, and if Sanders continues to win with the unwinnable in November Deep South states out of the way that have obscured what is really happening, then those super delegates will have to switch like they did in 2008, or stand accused of defrauding the voters of the right to make their preferred choice.
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But she IS far ahead in the non-superdelegate count: 760-546.
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I am really happy to see Sander's big win in Michigan. I voted for him in the primary here in SC, not that it appears to have helped him that much.
I would love to see a Trump-Sanders contest, but sadly I would likely vote Trump in the general because sooner or later Bernie is going to have to start talking about guns and gun-hating court appointees and that is going to ruin it for me.
I would love to see a Trump-Sanders contest, but sadly I would likely vote Trump in the general because sooner or later Bernie is going to have to start talking about guns and gun-hating court appointees and that is going to ruin it for me.
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Sadly, so petty, look at the bog picture, the vision that Bernie portrays for our children.
and again, Trump is not to blame for his winnings; we should look inward, to our fellow citizens who vote for him. what's his appeal?
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So true... Reminds me of a part in the movie "Forest Gump":
"Forrest Gump: There was this man giving a little talk, and for some reason he was wearing an American flag for a shirt. And he liked to say the 'F word' a lot. "F this" and "F that". And everytime he said the 'F word' people, for some reason, well, they cheered."
"Forrest Gump: There was this man giving a little talk, and for some reason he was wearing an American flag for a shirt. And he liked to say the 'F word' a lot. "F this" and "F that". And everytime he said the 'F word' people, for some reason, well, they cheered."
Under the accompanying results analysis article headined "Takeaways" -- or more correctly "Us spinning and tap dancing as fast as we can" the NYT offers this trenchant (jaw dropping surely) observation of what is happening in the democratic primary:
"There is nothing illicit about winning primaries with support from independents. But the collection of states that allow crossover voting have become a frustrating obstacle to Mrs. Clinton as she works to lock down the Democratic nomination,"
Adding yet further proof of how tone deaf to the general population and even even its core readership this paper has become. And you want to be my "paper of record"...
"There is nothing illicit about winning primaries with support from independents. But the collection of states that allow crossover voting have become a frustrating obstacle to Mrs. Clinton as she works to lock down the Democratic nomination,"
Adding yet further proof of how tone deaf to the general population and even even its core readership this paper has become. And you want to be my "paper of record"...
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"Senator Bernie Sanders scored an upset win in the Michigan Democratic primary, threatening to prolong a Democratic campaign that Hillary Clinton appeared to have all but locked up last week."
Appeared to whom? And why was it considered "locked up"? The assumption that it was over when more than half the delegates are still unassigned seems entirely unreasonable. Or, in the words of Yogi Berra, it ain't over 'til it's over.
Appeared to whom? And why was it considered "locked up"? The assumption that it was over when more than half the delegates are still unassigned seems entirely unreasonable. Or, in the words of Yogi Berra, it ain't over 'til it's over.
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Why is it that under the heading "Bernie Sanders Wins Michigan Primary..."
the New York Times has a picture of Trump?
Why is it that if you were to try to find a picture of Bernie in the New York Times, you would have a very very difficult time doing so?
the New York Times has a picture of Trump?
Why is it that if you were to try to find a picture of Bernie in the New York Times, you would have a very very difficult time doing so?
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They are obsessed with Trump.
The NYT, despite all its accomplishments, has given the strong impression it is less than dispassionate in its coverage of Bernie Sanders. I would like to see the paper distance itself from the appearance of having early on picked a winner...
It's because Bernie, once again, failed to put up an attractive display of his line of Bernie steaks, Bernie wines, Bernie bottle water (from Vermont!), and the very socialist Bernie magazine. If he had set up his goods and talked about them for thirty minutes to begin his presser, he would've gotten *tons* of photos.
Both Hillary and Sanders are good people. Good Democrats. But, in the end, each represents profoundly different views of where our nation needs to go. Each represents profoundly different views about international trade and about how to deal with Wall Street abuses, which is the leading, albeit ugly face of inequality in America.
I think the Michigan vote shows that Democrat voters are beginning to seriously examine both candidates in light of what's at stake, and not view the election like its a variant of your typical high school elections, the outcome of which rests on whose is the most-popular or most-physically-attractive person.
I think the Michigan vote shows that Democrat voters are beginning to seriously examine both candidates in light of what's at stake, and not view the election like its a variant of your typical high school elections, the outcome of which rests on whose is the most-popular or most-physically-attractive person.
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Good people do not take money from Goldman Sachs!
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Time to Delete Delegates. Nothing "Super" about them. Bought and paid for.
Voters matter most. Each and every vote. Stop robbing our voices.
Delete Delegates.
Voters matter most. Each and every vote. Stop robbing our voices.
Delete Delegates.
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It's the electoral college that makes our votes not matter. Eliminate that.
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Super delegates are party leaders who understand how foolish it would be to go against the will of primary voters, so you are mistaken if you think they will tilt the race for Hillary if a majority of primary voters pull for Bernie. The problem for Bernie is that a majority of primary voters are not going to pull for him. The super delegates will not decide this nomination, so don't worry so much about them. The candidate with the most delegates from primaries will win the nomination with or without the supers.
I find support for Sanders at the expense of Clinton entirely distasteful and, further, I resent it.
I'll take Sanders or Clinton, and I'd add O'Malley if he were still in the race. Matter of fact, I'd like to see the GOP get what it deserves and materialize into nothing, leaving the Democrats to splinter into different parties, with all accepting science and pragmatism, with a Keynesian approach to economics, and differing only in avenues of problem-solving - which is exactly the relationship between Clinton and Sanders.
The fact that Clinton has been in so-called enemy territory (read: banks) doesn't make her an enemy. It makes her shrewd. Is that not a big part of what we need in a president?
Besides, look at all the propaganda to which the Republican base is so laughably gullible; it's beyond cringe-worthy. The Republican elite WILL successfully swift boat Sanders with the socialism label. It's too bad a rather large swath of the nation is stupid enough to buy into such utter nonsense, but it is.
So let Clinton take the baton from Obama and continue getting us to where we need to be. Evolution, not revolution.
Vote Sanders, and Trump gets in, and, worse, the SCOTUS of today becomes the SCOTUS of 1896. If you don't want to go back to the days of Plessy, vote Clinton.
Signed, a socialist who favors Sanders but understands the value of positioning Clinton after Obama
I'll take Sanders or Clinton, and I'd add O'Malley if he were still in the race. Matter of fact, I'd like to see the GOP get what it deserves and materialize into nothing, leaving the Democrats to splinter into different parties, with all accepting science and pragmatism, with a Keynesian approach to economics, and differing only in avenues of problem-solving - which is exactly the relationship between Clinton and Sanders.
The fact that Clinton has been in so-called enemy territory (read: banks) doesn't make her an enemy. It makes her shrewd. Is that not a big part of what we need in a president?
Besides, look at all the propaganda to which the Republican base is so laughably gullible; it's beyond cringe-worthy. The Republican elite WILL successfully swift boat Sanders with the socialism label. It's too bad a rather large swath of the nation is stupid enough to buy into such utter nonsense, but it is.
So let Clinton take the baton from Obama and continue getting us to where we need to be. Evolution, not revolution.
Vote Sanders, and Trump gets in, and, worse, the SCOTUS of today becomes the SCOTUS of 1896. If you don't want to go back to the days of Plessy, vote Clinton.
Signed, a socialist who favors Sanders but understands the value of positioning Clinton after Obama
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"The Republican elite WILL successfully swift boat Sanders with the socialism label."
It's not the Republicans but Democrats like you that are 'swift boating' Sanders. Shame!
It's not the Republicans but Democrats like you that are 'swift boating' Sanders. Shame!
The low voter turnout for Democrats is a much bigger issue than Sanders. A 2% win for Sanders in Michigan is hardly a landslide - and can be attributed to low voter turnout. Getting the Democrats to the polls in November will be key, and showing the revolution of electing the first female president should do it - time for the Dems to really start campaigning, and stop holding back, waiting to see who the Repub nominee will be, it will be Trump.
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Wrong about turnover being low in Michigan Dem primary. It was record breaking. http://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2016/03/08/michigan-presidentia...
hillary needs bernie's help--desperately. i hope, when she passes the "majority delegate" threshhold, that she reaches out to him, offers him a specific role in the general election, and he accepts it.
rubio should drop out now. kasich should drop out if he does not win ohio. in the "trump vs. not trump" battle, i think cruz would win (of course, he's more of a threat to our country than trump is, probably). so, how many republican senators--who really hate cruz--would support him at the republican convention?
rubio should drop out now. kasich should drop out if he does not win ohio. in the "trump vs. not trump" battle, i think cruz would win (of course, he's more of a threat to our country than trump is, probably). so, how many republican senators--who really hate cruz--would support him at the republican convention?
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bernie should and wilol continue to run for pres
this isnt a fad or hobby for bernie, like it is for trump
and unlike many politicians, bernie actually has principles
he wont abandon them just to get a cushy job
this isnt a fad or hobby for bernie, like it is for trump
and unlike many politicians, bernie actually has principles
he wont abandon them just to get a cushy job
For all those complaining about the lack of coverage the NYTimes gives Sanders, please remember he is nothing more than a late coming interloper who has accomplished little in all his years in politics and seeks to take our economy to total socialism, destroying it in the process.
Hillary Clinton is, by far, the most experienced and most capable candidate currently running with ideas that will lead America to its fullest potential.
Thank you for underplaying Sander's wins...he has no chance in a general election and would help ensure a huuuggge republican win in November, and I am happy the NYTimes understands this completely.
Hillary Clinton is, by far, the most experienced and most capable candidate currently running with ideas that will lead America to its fullest potential.
Thank you for underplaying Sander's wins...he has no chance in a general election and would help ensure a huuuggge republican win in November, and I am happy the NYTimes understands this completely.
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And HRC has accomplished what exactly? Nothing by way as SOS, Libya anyone and mediocre Senator from (carpetbagger) NY. Kept the company line with Schumer on Wall Street. Avowed liar. Yeah great values and credentials for my candidate for POTUS.
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Hillary Clinton is, by far, the most experienced candidate in matters of blatant corruption, as her own history clearly demonstrates.
Sanders is where we are going, Clinton is where we are, and every Republican is racing to the past.
The Democrat machine is in big trouble. Clinton bought the Party, bought the nomination, and now I hope they see what a closed primary gets you: A dull, disingenuous, greedy political hack whose ideas and behaviour do not resonate with mass voters. I'm sorry we could not have put forth a better woman. I'm just incredibly grateful to Bernie Sanders for running.
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Right. Another Republican pretending to support the "Democrat" candidate.
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If it takes a sociopath or a right-wing evangelical egomaniac to destroy the Republican Party, so be it.
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Be careful what you wish for.
Sad choices. A global grifter taking tens of millions from foreign governments and probably headed to prison versus an old school communist that honeymooned in the Soviet Union.
But at least Democrats are revealing their true colors.
But at least Democrats are revealing their true colors.
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And what might you offer as an alternative? Dark-Ages recidivism? Visits to the Soviet Union are about as indicative of character as a sojourn in Kentucky.
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Haven't you heard? Communism isn't Socialism, and Soviet Communism wasn't ever true to the socialist ideal. Furthermore, it wasn't Sanders' "honeymoon"- he visited the Soviet Union as part of his duties as mayor of Burlington, and it so happened that was the day after his second wedding. In addition, by the time of his visit (1988), the massive changes in the Soviet Union were so advanced, one could hardly call the place "Communist" anymore. Finally, exactly what *is* an "old school communist", anyway? Methinks you're conjuring up the ghosts of Lenin, Stalin, and Kruschev without a genuine understanding of Soviet history.
Please let me know what is the scenario where Trump could win 270 Electoral College votes in a General Election! He cannot win California/NewYork/Pennsylvania/Illinois/Michigan - Democratic strongholds (Total 140 out of 270 needed). Do you really think that there are many Democrat voters that will leave their party to vote for Trump?
If Sanders is the nominee, Democrats will stay home and not vote and Republicans will rally to keep a Socialist out! You are aware that a large number of Americans feel that Socialism (Sanders) is next to Communism! . . . That is his only winning scenario. Trump has lost the Hispanic/Female/Gay/Youth/Black vote with is comments. How can he win without their votes? Every year 1,000,000 Hispanics reach 18 and are eligible to vote! A Donald Trump Republican candidacy will start up a "Hispanic Voter Registration Machine"!!!
If Sanders is the nominee, Democrats will stay home and not vote and Republicans will rally to keep a Socialist out! You are aware that a large number of Americans feel that Socialism (Sanders) is next to Communism! . . . That is his only winning scenario. Trump has lost the Hispanic/Female/Gay/Youth/Black vote with is comments. How can he win without their votes? Every year 1,000,000 Hispanics reach 18 and are eligible to vote! A Donald Trump Republican candidacy will start up a "Hispanic Voter Registration Machine"!!!
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It's not the Democrats, it's the independents. 140 EC votes will get you nothing. Do you honestly believe that all of the independents that voted for Sanders in MI are going to magically support Clinton? CA, NY, PA, and IL are meaningless. What will matter is OH, MI, FL, and CO.
VOTER TURNOUT: Republican Eligible Voter Turnout: 17.3% . . . Democrat Eligible Voter Turnout: 11.7% . . . (so far) . . . How is that a true picture of the General Election of 130+ million eligible voters? These primary results have no real meaning beyond determining the final two candidates . . . so much for an"angry electorate!!"
SANDERS: How can Sanders win if he falls further behind with every primary date? Clinton will end up taking significantly more delegates on the night than Sanders (Mississippi + Michigan), adding to her already sizeable lead overall. He needs to will ALL of the rest of the primaries by approximately 80% to have any hope of a congested convention! There are no winner-takes-all primaries for the Democrats. It's all about the math . . . he cannot win! . . . Even without the Super Delegates Clinton is ahead . . .
SUPER DELEGATES:Clinton: 461 Super Delegates. Sanders: 25 . . . even if half of the super delegates leave Clinton and vote for Sanders she still wins! Why would they leave a "leading" candidate to vote for a "trailing" candidate? . . . Again, it's all about the math.
SANDERS: How can Sanders win if he falls further behind with every primary date? Clinton will end up taking significantly more delegates on the night than Sanders (Mississippi + Michigan), adding to her already sizeable lead overall. He needs to will ALL of the rest of the primaries by approximately 80% to have any hope of a congested convention! There are no winner-takes-all primaries for the Democrats. It's all about the math . . . he cannot win! . . . Even without the Super Delegates Clinton is ahead . . .
SUPER DELEGATES:Clinton: 461 Super Delegates. Sanders: 25 . . . even if half of the super delegates leave Clinton and vote for Sanders she still wins! Why would they leave a "leading" candidate to vote for a "trailing" candidate? . . . Again, it's all about the math.
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So as if to drive home the situation, all the cable networks "insulted" Ms. Clinton, the most likely person to be President in 2017 as no one could be bothered to carry what she was saying. They preferred rubbernecking at the hypnotic train wreck that is the TRUMP/republican show.
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I find it odd that the NYTimes refers to Trump's support of David Duke, and his crushing rebuttal to Marco Rubio's infantile remarks about Trump's hands as 'self-inflicted wounds'.
His supporters largely support him for just this kind of rhetoric. It is hard to imagine how he could injure himself by being exactly who he has always been. Maybe the Times doesn't like it, but that is not really all that relevant.
His supporters largely support him for just this kind of rhetoric. It is hard to imagine how he could injure himself by being exactly who he has always been. Maybe the Times doesn't like it, but that is not really all that relevant.
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Trump does not support David Duke; it's the other way around.
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Actually, it was David Dukes's support of Trump, and not the other way around...which of course Trump tried to downplay, because the endorsement of a former KKK Grand Wizard might not sit well with some of the Sanders supporters who say they'll support him if/when Sanders doesn't win as the Democratic nominee.
I said this the night of SC and I'll say it again. Sanders is beating Hillary, sometimes badly, in the white Dem vote.
It is all well and good to make pronouncements about required her dominance in the black vote count, but if she keeps losing the white vote, she loses the primary. With the exception of Florida, the deep south states are done.
She lost Michigan because the percentage of black voters is substantially lower than SC, MS, etc. As the focus shifts to the midwest and western states, the percentage of black voters drops dramatically. If Hillary cannot reverse her standing among traditional white blue collar Dems, she is in deep, deep trouble.
It is all well and good to make pronouncements about required her dominance in the black vote count, but if she keeps losing the white vote, she loses the primary. With the exception of Florida, the deep south states are done.
She lost Michigan because the percentage of black voters is substantially lower than SC, MS, etc. As the focus shifts to the midwest and western states, the percentage of black voters drops dramatically. If Hillary cannot reverse her standing among traditional white blue collar Dems, she is in deep, deep trouble.
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I'll say this again. Although it might not get through. First. Sanders is still largely without the "Minority" and African-American vote....(something even YOU should have realized in South Carolina!) And. Second. The race isn't over yet.
Sanders supporters: vote for him and you've signed up to be active members of his administration: on day 1 you'll need to start hounding your representatives, protesting, and anything else that's needed to try to pass his tax package.
Otherwise it's a wasted vote. He stated that he can't make those changes on his own. I choose Hillary, who is more practical.
For everyone who's upset about Trump: don't worry, he won't get the presidency. Vote Democrat, or don't vote. Easy solution.
Otherwise it's a wasted vote. He stated that he can't make those changes on his own. I choose Hillary, who is more practical.
For everyone who's upset about Trump: don't worry, he won't get the presidency. Vote Democrat, or don't vote. Easy solution.
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That should have happened with Obama, who refused to turn out the followers for Single Payer...and so we wound up with the flawed ACA and the Tea Party while the White House waited for Max Baucus and Blanche Lincoln to make up their minds.
Yeah, practiced in taking bribes, oh sorry, I meant "speaking engagements."
So go ahead and vote for the Clinton family that got us into this mess anyway! Only someone like Sanders can stop the downward spiral of economic uncertainly that stifles the middle classes.
Here's the lesson of Sanders' victory: The Republicans are going to nominate Paul Ryan and win the Presidency. The logic goes like this:
Even among Democrats, Hillary has a tough time. Look at all the states Bernie has won. It shouldn't even be a contest. She should be trouncing him. But, for all the reasons many people have stated, most people simply don't like her. Many can't stand her. Now, how will she fare in a general election if she can't do well with Dems?
The election math works like this: the South will be solidly Republican, no matter who they run. Don't confuse a Dem primary with a general election. If the South was solid Republican against Obama, don't you think they'll be that way against Hillary? The Republican states will go for any Republican - anybody but Hillary. Then it comes down to the swing states. Hillary vs. Trump or Cruz, both odious Republican candidates - and they know it. They'll go into their convention and come out with the one candidate they know can beat Hillary by winning the swing states. Heck, Ryan will carry all the "I can't stand her" Dems - which turns out to be quite a few.
Even among Democrats, Hillary has a tough time. Look at all the states Bernie has won. It shouldn't even be a contest. She should be trouncing him. But, for all the reasons many people have stated, most people simply don't like her. Many can't stand her. Now, how will she fare in a general election if she can't do well with Dems?
The election math works like this: the South will be solidly Republican, no matter who they run. Don't confuse a Dem primary with a general election. If the South was solid Republican against Obama, don't you think they'll be that way against Hillary? The Republican states will go for any Republican - anybody but Hillary. Then it comes down to the swing states. Hillary vs. Trump or Cruz, both odious Republican candidates - and they know it. They'll go into their convention and come out with the one candidate they know can beat Hillary by winning the swing states. Heck, Ryan will carry all the "I can't stand her" Dems - which turns out to be quite a few.
I agree with this 100%. I've long thought that Ryan will end up being the nominee at a brokered convention. Ryan easily wins WI, MI, FL, OH, and CO. And that'll be all she wrote.
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Hillary is on a clear path towards a huge backlash within her own party that will kill her in the General Election.
What Sanders supporters see is that, regardless of how well Bernie does, the fix is in because of Hillary's intimidation/payoff of superdelegates.
If Bernie loses a nomination he would have otherwise won but for the superdelegates, it behooves all of Bernie's supporters to stay home in November. Those are not votes Hillary deserves.
What Sanders supporters see is that, regardless of how well Bernie does, the fix is in because of Hillary's intimidation/payoff of superdelegates.
If Bernie loses a nomination he would have otherwise won but for the superdelegates, it behooves all of Bernie's supporters to stay home in November. Those are not votes Hillary deserves.
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Do you think that's what Bernie would do? I have much more faith in him than that...
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And remember that while you're sitting at home not voting, you're giving Trump the White House.
If this is what you consider a "revolution", I want no part of it.
If this is what you consider a "revolution", I want no part of it.
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One of the biggest albatrosses around the neck of the democratic party that is coming to light is the current DNC chairman, Debbie Wasserman-Schulz whom has exposed the party and just further confirmed the Sanders claims of the influence of Wall Street and big money. Her co-chair resigned to support Sanders. Wasserman-Schulz has been castigated recently for joining Republicans in trying to weaken the consumer protection bureau that Obama and Elizabeth Warren created along with the weakening of payday loan consumer protection legislation. She has been known to accept considerable sums of money from these lobbyists and for the first time has a primary competitor in her own district in the November congressional elections.
If Hillary and the DNC has any brains at all, they should recommend she resign immediately.
If Hillary and the DNC has any brains at all, they should recommend she resign immediately.
Let's get some coverage by this paper and the media in general for Bernie Sanders wins. He is leading a political revolution and I believe the media, being mainstream and benefiting from big business and Wall Street, is not liking the fact. Media is big business that has lost its way and is only interested in promoting itself for profit rather than reporting unbiased news. "All the news fit to print" And while you are at it let's get the African American voters to support Bernie, he will do the most for them.
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If Hillary pulls this off NYT, you should hang your heads in shame for such uneven, biased reporting. If you just played it straight and did your job as you would have in the past, the Sanders campaign would be much further ahead right now. Just straight honest journalism - is that too much to ask? You are becoming as ethically compromised as your endorsed coronated candidate.
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What on earth are you talking about? Honestly, are you suggesting that Times coverage of this race is somehow keeping Sanders down? That is so silly. The "revolution" will not occur in comment forums so get outside and search for reality.
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Clinton supporters: "But she routed Sanders in Mississippi!" "But she won the majority of democrats in Michigan, whereas Bernie just got the independents."
Okay, so? Explain how Clinton is going to win the general election with Southern Red States and no independents in the north? I think it's naive to think that those northern independents are just going to fall in line for Clinton. Sanders doesn't need the Southern Red States, but Clinton needs his independents. How does she win those independents? Without them she cannot win the general election.
Okay, so? Explain how Clinton is going to win the general election with Southern Red States and no independents in the north? I think it's naive to think that those northern independents are just going to fall in line for Clinton. Sanders doesn't need the Southern Red States, but Clinton needs his independents. How does she win those independents? Without them she cannot win the general election.
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I, for one, am sick of the Sanders supporters threatening to stay home all the time on the comment boards. They seem to think they can insult Clinton supporters without any harm to their candidate. And they say, time and time again, that they would rather have Trump win than Clinton. Be careful, your words may come back to you.
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Nate Silver at FiveThirtyEight calls Bernie Sanders' win last night "one of the greatest shockers in presidential primary history" and "one of the greatest upsets in modern political history."
Naturally the NY Times splits their summary of the day's events between continued (i.e., not exceptionally newsworthy at this point) Trump wins and what the day means for the Clinton campaign.
*There are only THREE sentences in the entire article about Sen. Sanders that don't mention Clinton or her delegate count.*
Naturally the NY Times splits their summary of the day's events between continued (i.e., not exceptionally newsworthy at this point) Trump wins and what the day means for the Clinton campaign.
*There are only THREE sentences in the entire article about Sen. Sanders that don't mention Clinton or her delegate count.*
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Sounds like Nate should find a new job. My estimate is 99% of employers will laugh in his face.
Sanders is authentically more competitive than Clinton, that either have a chance for the Democrat nomination illustrates how close to madness the left has moved. The Democrat machine will give Clinton (a disreputable grifter) the nomination while spitting in the faces of the Sander supporters - the fanatics who cheer a zero accomplishment antique who spews sentimental platitudes on the glories of Socialism - that there are enough miseducated fools available to vote for either Clinton or Sanders does not bode well for the Republic. Trump is the miseducated Americans choice of the lesser of the evils, a sadness all too itself.
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One can only hope that no one forgets that it's Trump's win too...he's the one to keep an eye out for. It isn't over yet.
Why is the NYT marking so many comments that argue Hillary will do better than Sanders against Trump as "top picks." They are factually incorrect. Never in the election cycle has Hillary outperformed Bernie in an election against Trump: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential...
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She may well still prevail, but it is strange to see the imprudence of the electorate, willing to risk it all, including leading to a victory to the anathema, Trump.
I can see why the public would like an infusion of new blood, candidates not stuck in their ways, but Hilary's been effectively sullied by the email and Benghazi scandals, which I think are in the main trumped up, though I don't like them in an of themselves, because Rice and Powell also used private email in office and Bush failed to provide adequate body armor for our troops in Iraq for years and that didn't seem to incur the ire of the Republican Party.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
I can see why the public would like an infusion of new blood, candidates not stuck in their ways, but Hilary's been effectively sullied by the email and Benghazi scandals, which I think are in the main trumped up, though I don't like them in an of themselves, because Rice and Powell also used private email in office and Bush failed to provide adequate body armor for our troops in Iraq for years and that didn't seem to incur the ire of the Republican Party.
Keeping my fingers crossed.
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Many of you Sanders lovers seem to miss the point about whether Clinton would lose so called red states in the general election. He has to win the nomination first and she's crowned him in these states.
It's all about getting to the magic number and he's way behind in that so let's have a sanity check. She will win the nomination.
It's all about getting to the magic number and he's way behind in that so let's have a sanity check. She will win the nomination.
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And may of you non-lovers-of-Sanders seem to miss the point about the nomination - even the presidency - not being the only goal in this process.
If Sanders were not in the race Clinton would be running well to the right of where she's running today, because it's the Sanders candidacy that's pushed the conversation back toward the center/left.
The ultimate goal, in my opinion at least, is to see progressive policies coming out of the White House, no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office.
If Sanders were not in the race Clinton would be running well to the right of where she's running today, because it's the Sanders candidacy that's pushed the conversation back toward the center/left.
The ultimate goal, in my opinion at least, is to see progressive policies coming out of the White House, no matter who is sitting in the Oval Office.
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Sanders may have pulled Clinton to the left, but he and his supporters have also done great damage by using Republican talking points to attack her. If Clinton loses to a Republican, it'll be the fault of Bernie and his supporters.
All those young women voting for Bernie will one day realize that they just threw away the opportunity to see a female president within their lifetimes. If Hillary, with all her experience, can't win this, no woman can. And that says more about us than it does about Hillary.
All those young women voting for Bernie will one day realize that they just threw away the opportunity to see a female president within their lifetimes. If Hillary, with all her experience, can't win this, no woman can. And that says more about us than it does about Hillary.
Bernie is on the Bern across America --- and he hasn't even fired a 'shout heard round the world' yet.
When Bernie fires a non-violent 'shout heard round the world' to further ignite his & our "Political Revolution against Empire" the Bern will burn through the rest of the primary states.
Understand that Bernie will increase both the enthusiasm and the education of Americans in evolutionary ways of understanding the essential need for the "Political Revolution against Empire".
Initially, Bernie can point to the flaws and failures of a 'foreign policy' that does not serve the interests of Americans nor peace in our world, any better than domestic economic tyranny at home, because our country is being pushed by the same corrupted politics to "act like a global Empire abroad".
Even the most trusted elder anchorman and author of "Greatest Generation", Tom Brokaw, on "Meet the Press" shocked Chuck Toad and other young pundits at the 'Round Table' when he explained, "When Trump and Cruz are talking about three year old orphans and refugees [from Syria to Europe], what we're really talking about is three year old orphans and refugees, caused by American policy".
Such truth telling by older and politically experienced people like Bernie, Tom, and the late Walter Cronkite is what has radically changed, even Revolutionized the political landscape as it did half a century ago when such truthful shocks caused LBJ not to run and admit, "If I've lost Cronkite, we've lost the war"
When Bernie fires a non-violent 'shout heard round the world' to further ignite his & our "Political Revolution against Empire" the Bern will burn through the rest of the primary states.
Understand that Bernie will increase both the enthusiasm and the education of Americans in evolutionary ways of understanding the essential need for the "Political Revolution against Empire".
Initially, Bernie can point to the flaws and failures of a 'foreign policy' that does not serve the interests of Americans nor peace in our world, any better than domestic economic tyranny at home, because our country is being pushed by the same corrupted politics to "act like a global Empire abroad".
Even the most trusted elder anchorman and author of "Greatest Generation", Tom Brokaw, on "Meet the Press" shocked Chuck Toad and other young pundits at the 'Round Table' when he explained, "When Trump and Cruz are talking about three year old orphans and refugees [from Syria to Europe], what we're really talking about is three year old orphans and refugees, caused by American policy".
Such truth telling by older and politically experienced people like Bernie, Tom, and the late Walter Cronkite is what has radically changed, even Revolutionized the political landscape as it did half a century ago when such truthful shocks caused LBJ not to run and admit, "If I've lost Cronkite, we've lost the war"
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Clinton can only win big in states she no chance to carry in Nov. It is a problem. Some people I know are scared of Trump but can't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, she has alienated so many.
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Too bad Sanders is saddled with a horse on the outside rail. Hillary got the inside and a 12 horse handicap lead to start the race. At least Trump does not face the super delegate problem.
That being said, both party's elite protected are ignoring the will of the voters.
That being said, both party's elite protected are ignoring the will of the voters.
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Nice to see that Michigan is not fooled by the Clinton Goon Machine. Is she even alive or a bot? The GOP is done and should have folded itself into the DNC ages ago when the crying fool Boehner was put into power. So choose America do you want the middle class destroyed or brought back up. Its the only thing we have that makes us great, the rest is just rubbish really.
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As the campaign continues, upcoming contests will be fertile ground for Sander's message! Michigan is a microcosm of America and what issues are important to Americans: trade, jobs, healthcare and financial reform! In Michigan, Sanders cut into Clintion's African American support. He did well with with the under 30 vote and carried deerborne, a primarily a Muslim county. It shows that his support is wider and the Obama coalition will be more receptive to Sanders' message. He will continue to label Hillary as a Wall Street lackey and as someone who will say and do anything to accommodate the political trade winds of the day! Hillary's key to success is to ride on the Obama presidency and not to offend his African Amercan supporters; and to adopt and claim your opponents position as long as it is politically feasible!
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I don't think a 50%/48% is an amazing 'win'. It basically means a stay in the final verdict.
We are getting lost in the media spin and most of us have lost the capacity to step back and look at the big picture.
At this point, the battle that's shaping up shouldn't be between a center-left and a left-center-left position. Both democratic candidates are deeply flawed; but they don't offer a broken Theocracy or an Egocracy, as the alternative seems to be offering.
We are getting lost in the media spin and most of us have lost the capacity to step back and look at the big picture.
At this point, the battle that's shaping up shouldn't be between a center-left and a left-center-left position. Both democratic candidates are deeply flawed; but they don't offer a broken Theocracy or an Egocracy, as the alternative seems to be offering.
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The vast majority of Hillary's delegates are from Southern Red States that she will never win in the general election, or anti-democratic "super-fix-the-election" delegates. If Hillary "wins" the nomination, she will likely go down in flames to ANY Republican - because the only people she motivates to the polls are those who are voting AGAINST her. With Bernie, all national polls demonstrate quite the opposite.
Motivated by Love for Hillary Factor: Extremely Low
Motivated by Hate for Hillary Factor: Extremely High
Motivated by Love for Bernie Factor: Extremely High
Motivated by Hate for Bernie Factor: Next to Zero
Motivated by Love for Hillary Factor: Extremely Low
Motivated by Hate for Hillary Factor: Extremely High
Motivated by Love for Bernie Factor: Extremely High
Motivated by Hate for Bernie Factor: Next to Zero
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I don't love Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton. I don't want her for my BFF. I admire her and SHE has my vote.
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Tom:
How could anyone be motivated by hate for Old Bernie? He's too old to hate.
Those Democrats who will vote for Trump if Old Bernie gets the Democratic nomination will do so because Trump will make America great again.
Those Democrats who will stay in their basements, if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination will do so because they are lazy and clueless.
How could anyone be motivated by hate for Old Bernie? He's too old to hate.
Those Democrats who will vote for Trump if Old Bernie gets the Democratic nomination will do so because Trump will make America great again.
Those Democrats who will stay in their basements, if Hillary gets the Democratic nomination will do so because they are lazy and clueless.
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The DNC should force Bernie Sanders out of the race. There is no point for him to continue.
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If the DNC does that, he will run as an Independent and just like that, Hillary will be down 10-15 points nationwide to Trump. The DNC has been very devious in thumbing the scale, but they're not THAT stupid.
Is the Republican party fractured? Even if you don't take into account that its pseudo Republican Trump is comfortably ahead, what has the party in chaos is the fact that its pretty boy Rubio is moribund. And if the establishment heads in the party think they can sabotage Trump at the convention, he'll just turn around, cry foul against the party, run as an independent, and hand Hillary the election on a silver platter.
Hillary and Bill Clinton take money from Saudi Arabia. The very definition of depraved indifference.
https://newrepublic.com/article/125069/saudi-arabias-depraved-justice
"In the coming days, a Sri Lankan woman is to be led to an outdoor pit in Saudi Arabia. Her arms and hands will be tightly bound, her body buried up to her breasts. Saudi men will then surround her and begin to hurl rocks at her head to kill her slowly."
It's a good thing that Hillary "cares about women and children" though.
https://newrepublic.com/article/125069/saudi-arabias-depraved-justice
"In the coming days, a Sri Lankan woman is to be led to an outdoor pit in Saudi Arabia. Her arms and hands will be tightly bound, her body buried up to her breasts. Saudi men will then surround her and begin to hurl rocks at her head to kill her slowly."
It's a good thing that Hillary "cares about women and children" though.
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They take a lot less than Trump does.
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We take oil from them too.
Arguably anyone driving, taking a bus or flying is depraved.
Arguably anyone driving, taking a bus or flying is depraved.
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Fran
Umm, no. That is a flat-out lie. Trump hasn't taken a penny from Saudi Arabia. Or Qatar. Or the UAE. Ever.
Perfect example of the willingness of HRC and her supporters to lie without reservation.
Umm, no. That is a flat-out lie. Trump hasn't taken a penny from Saudi Arabia. Or Qatar. Or the UAE. Ever.
Perfect example of the willingness of HRC and her supporters to lie without reservation.
Trump makes for a truly revolting, gag-inducing spectacle on TV but the news networks seem incapable of turning away. Can you imagine having to see this erratic buffoon holding forth from the White House for four years? Of course, while Trump is revolting, Cruz is downright frightening. What makes me nervous is not having confidence that people who understand this are going to bother to vote for whoever the Democrats settle on, no matter what.
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I'm baffled by the Michigan primary results. A lot of disoriented people in this state who do not understand what is at stake. Trump is going to win the Republican primaries, and the only person who can beat him is Hillary. I've been supporting her since 2008. She will win this, but this loss in Michigan is now in the past.
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She does worse than Sanders against Trump in the polls. Not by a little, by a lot. Realclearpolitics has Sanders beating Trump by 7 points and Trump beating Clinton by 1.5. This is because Sanders can pull some Trump voters but Clinton can't.
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Rachel, on RCP average, Hillary beats Trump by 6 points and Bernie beats him by 10, but in either case Trump only gets 37 percent, a threshold he is yet to break. The fact that Clinton gets fewer votes perhaps reflects the kamikaze element within the Dem party that will only vote Bernie or nobody.
The voters have spoken. Little Marco, the high school debate star, who is the poster child for the next episode of "Big Hat No Cattle, came in last. Jeb Bush who maybe could sell munis trading on the family name but could not win anything after spending 150 million is gone. Mitt Romney came to the rescue. He, the Mormon who preached the Ten Commandments, but never practiced them in his business dealings, was sanctimonious and talked about virtues, honor, and principles, and was completely ignored.
Did anyone believe one scintilla of what they said? Of course not! They are owned, lock stock and barrel by the super pacs, funded by the establishment, and are the marionettes on the stage to do the establishments bidding. So much for their pseudo principles! The strings are being pulled and these charlatans will die serving their masters.
Mitt Romney, whose last claim to fame in 2012 was the his wife "ironed his shirts" as he was a common man, proved he is a empty Brooks Brothers suit. She never ironed his shirts, and Mitt most certainly never gave the "shirt off his back" for anyone. Mitt and the others now reap what they have sowed. It is time tear down the establishment by any means possible, bury with dignity the sclerotic GOP elephant, and begin anew. Incremental change has not done anything and never will. It is time for a revolution to give voice to those are taken for granted and are never heard.
Did anyone believe one scintilla of what they said? Of course not! They are owned, lock stock and barrel by the super pacs, funded by the establishment, and are the marionettes on the stage to do the establishments bidding. So much for their pseudo principles! The strings are being pulled and these charlatans will die serving their masters.
Mitt Romney, whose last claim to fame in 2012 was the his wife "ironed his shirts" as he was a common man, proved he is a empty Brooks Brothers suit. She never ironed his shirts, and Mitt most certainly never gave the "shirt off his back" for anyone. Mitt and the others now reap what they have sowed. It is time tear down the establishment by any means possible, bury with dignity the sclerotic GOP elephant, and begin anew. Incremental change has not done anything and never will. It is time for a revolution to give voice to those are taken for granted and are never heard.
Arrrrgh! if I hear that phrase about the evil "millionaires and billionaires" one more time, I swear I will rip my ears out! and I don't even like millionaires and billionaires.
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Sorry to be that guy, but the headline in my nyt email is Sanders is "threatening" to "prolong" the race? Why so disappointed guys? Also, pro tip: if you clarify between popularly elected delegates and backroom superdelegates when framing Clinton's, in your words, "crushing" lead, your readers might not be so surprised that Sanders remains close in the actual elections.
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Everything I've read in this article makes it seem as if this victory in MI is just an unnecessary distraction--as if Clinton will inevitably be the nominee and now we just have to wait a little longer to find out. I find that a deceptive and possibly dishonest tactic.
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Only the NYT thought the Sanders campaign was moribund.
Now you need to pay attention to the national polls, that say Sen. Sanders beats Trump by a healthy margin and defeats Cruz in the general election. Ms. (not Mrs.) Clinton wins only by a narrow margin against Trump and is beaten by Cruz in these polls.
Please do not lose us the election in November by supporting Clinton. She is widely viewed as unfavorable in the polls and cannot win.
You note that her speech was not carried on cable news.
This is so hypocritical given that you have suppressed all news about Sanders until now.
Now you need to pay attention to the national polls, that say Sen. Sanders beats Trump by a healthy margin and defeats Cruz in the general election. Ms. (not Mrs.) Clinton wins only by a narrow margin against Trump and is beaten by Cruz in these polls.
Please do not lose us the election in November by supporting Clinton. She is widely viewed as unfavorable in the polls and cannot win.
You note that her speech was not carried on cable news.
This is so hypocritical given that you have suppressed all news about Sanders until now.
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if polls were wrong about MI, why would they be right about the national polls where Sanders supposedly wins over Drumpf and Cruz?
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According to this:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/us/politics/primary-night-takeaways-hi...
Hillary won big among Democrats. He only won Michigan because of Independent voters. Why are Independents even allowed to vote in Democratic primaries?
I don't understand how Bernie can do so well after insulting Black people and poor white people alike and demonstrating a deep misogyny (the kind of misogyny that can't stand it when a woman speaks).
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/us/politics/primary-night-takeaways-hi...
Hillary won big among Democrats. He only won Michigan because of Independent voters. Why are Independents even allowed to vote in Democratic primaries?
I don't understand how Bernie can do so well after insulting Black people and poor white people alike and demonstrating a deep misogyny (the kind of misogyny that can't stand it when a woman speaks).
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HG
The man went to jail demanding equal housing for the poor in South Chicago.
Shame on you for trying to manipulate his misstatement.
Way too much righteous indignation.
The man went to jail demanding equal housing for the poor in South Chicago.
Shame on you for trying to manipulate his misstatement.
Way too much righteous indignation.
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You WANT Independents to vote in your Primaries because Independents decide the November elections.
Bernie's a November winner; Hillary is a November loser.
Bernie's a November winner; Hillary is a November loser.
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How do you think Clinton can win a general election with those independents? One cannot win the presidency with only Democrats. It's just not possible. If a Democrat wins the election, it'll be with the help of independents. Right now, Clinton loses that vote badly.
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Acceptable headline for the BernieBots: "Bernie Soars in MI and Concedes MS to Goldwater Campaign Worker."
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'Trump Adds to Lead With Three Victories' -
is still the headline on the homepage and the headline of this article is (finally?)
'Bernie Sanders Wins Michigan Primary - Donald Trump Takes 3 States'
and I know it has been already said by many other commenters -(who like Bernie as much as I do) - but can't you guys at least get the journalistic thing -(Bernies surprising win in Michigan) - right from the beginning?
You slowly make a lot of the biggest fans of your paper kind of... angry.
is still the headline on the homepage and the headline of this article is (finally?)
'Bernie Sanders Wins Michigan Primary - Donald Trump Takes 3 States'
and I know it has been already said by many other commenters -(who like Bernie as much as I do) - but can't you guys at least get the journalistic thing -(Bernies surprising win in Michigan) - right from the beginning?
You slowly make a lot of the biggest fans of your paper kind of... angry.
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This is the headline, seriously? This was the biggest upset in primary history! even Nate Silver said this was unprecedented because the polls were completely wrong. The polls had him down anywhere from 18 to 30 points for months(that's a blowout). YUUUUGE win for Bernie.
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Nate Silver has been wrong wrong and wrong about everything.
It's amazing the lengths that the NYT and other MSM papers go to diminish Sander's victory...why not place a photo of Sanders for once in a lead article...jeez....
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It baffles me why Ms. Clinton gets the support from blacks that she does. Her husband's several policies seriously hurt their community. While Ms. Clinton was humping for Goldwater, Mr. Sanders was getting arrested in Civil Rights demonstrations.
What gives?
What gives?
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Why don't you ask them, and then actually listen to what they say?
Of course, it's easier to dismiss them as intellectually challenged people who don't know what's good for them.
Of course, it's easier to dismiss them as intellectually challenged people who don't know what's good for them.
Myths, misunderstanding of Clinton agenda and just plain fear among blacks who seek safety in a name they recognize. Very unfortunate that they were misled.
Republicans are REALLY REALLY afraid of Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton. I don't blame them. SHE will be our next President!
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Actually, I think Trump is chomping at the bit to take her on.
This is obvious to most people, but here's why Americans are angry: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/09/opinion/the-warning-in-wall-street-pay...
Short version: Wall Street bonuses "were down 9 percent from 2014, mainly because of lower trading profits and higher regulatory compliance costs. Still, the average bonus is nearly three times the median annual household income in the United States."
That's just the bonuses that are 3 times the median annual income of Americans who do ACTUAL work for a living and can't afford the basics.
Short version: Wall Street bonuses "were down 9 percent from 2014, mainly because of lower trading profits and higher regulatory compliance costs. Still, the average bonus is nearly three times the median annual household income in the United States."
That's just the bonuses that are 3 times the median annual income of Americans who do ACTUAL work for a living and can't afford the basics.
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As the campaign continues, upcoming contests will be fertile ground for Sander's message! Michigan is a microcosm of America and what issues are important to Americans: trade, jobs, healthcare and financial reform! In Michigan, Sanders cut into Clintion's African American support. He did well with with the under 30 vote and carried deerborne, a primarily a Muslim county. It shows that his support is wider and the Obama coalition will be more receptive to Sanders' message. He will continue to label Hillary as a Wall Street lackey and as someone who will say and do anything to accommodate the political trade winds of the day! Hillary's key to success is to ride on the Obama presidency and not to offend his African Amercan supporters; and to adopt and claim your opponet's position, as long as it is political feasible !
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But how could that be? The New York TImes keeps telling us Queen Hillary will be the next POTUS.
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She will.
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I surely do admire Bernie Sanders.
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I do, too, but not the republican operatives who are voting to try to take support away from Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Beware, America. Things are not always what they seem.
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njlea, if your theory of republicans crossing lines to vote for Bernie is true, why is democrat turnout way down and republican turnout setting records everywhere? That is the under reported fact democrats should be most concerned about.
Elect Trump and you will see change in Washington. It may be for better or worse- but change is coming. Elect HRC or Bernie and you will see another 4-8 years of partisan gridlock regardless of how good their ideas or intentions may be. I'll vote for Trump to watch the free show. There is a small chance he turns centrist after the election and may not be the bogey man the media portrays him to be. Kinda' reminds me of Chef Ramsay: angry and demanding on TV, but in real life a nice guy with a huge heart.
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To me it seems unwise to elect someone who, as you plainly admit, is completely unpredictable. Trump may or may not be a lot of things, and there's only one way to find out. You're curious and looking forward to the "show," but I don't find it entertaining and neither will those who suffer during his presidency.
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I'm going to guess that you haven't fully considered the implications that Trumps policies would have if passed. Some people want to see the world burn, and if that's you, I guess you wont listen to me. But you may want to reconsider, regardless of how feel about HRC and Sanders.
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As a Black attorney in Washington DC who volunteers in my community, I have seen the implications of Barack Obama's policies: Long term unemployment, poverty, child starvation, mass incarceration, drug and gun related deaths and violence have gone up in Black communities across the nation EVERY year of the Obama presidency.
So I'm voting for Trump. Period.
So I'm voting for Trump. Period.
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The focus on Donald Trump is remarkable. He is just ONE candidate among many. He is truly a buffoon with a very big mouth and not afraid to say anything to anyone. He insults people whenever he feels it is in his favor and he is running his campaign like a bloody reality show. The media loves this fellow as they believe it pleases their audience.
We, as Americans, should be ashamed of the GOP and how it has conducted the campaign for the most important political office in the world. They are not taking it seriously and only see fit to sully the name of anyone and everyone involved. They claim to be anti-racist and not prejudiced to anyone, and they condemn Trump for his racist and isolationistic views. However, they are the same people who have "sworn" since Mitch McConnell's pronouncement in 2008, of stopping Obama wherever and whenever possible, including any Democratic policy or law which comes up. Apparently, it does not even matter if the ideas are resurrected ones from their own party. And, they are now steadfastly refusing to allow Obama to appoint a new Justice of the US Supreme Court. It is a Constitutional right, a policy, to keep the SCOTUS at an odd number, so we can avoid a split decision. There have been many Justices appointed in the final year of a President's term, even with an opposing party in control of the Senate. So, why the hatred, the vitriol and the veiled racism? Is there truly no difference between any Republican, including Trump?
We, as Americans, should be ashamed of the GOP and how it has conducted the campaign for the most important political office in the world. They are not taking it seriously and only see fit to sully the name of anyone and everyone involved. They claim to be anti-racist and not prejudiced to anyone, and they condemn Trump for his racist and isolationistic views. However, they are the same people who have "sworn" since Mitch McConnell's pronouncement in 2008, of stopping Obama wherever and whenever possible, including any Democratic policy or law which comes up. Apparently, it does not even matter if the ideas are resurrected ones from their own party. And, they are now steadfastly refusing to allow Obama to appoint a new Justice of the US Supreme Court. It is a Constitutional right, a policy, to keep the SCOTUS at an odd number, so we can avoid a split decision. There have been many Justices appointed in the final year of a President's term, even with an opposing party in control of the Senate. So, why the hatred, the vitriol and the veiled racism? Is there truly no difference between any Republican, including Trump?
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Your choice, America:
A. What used to be called a Democrat and is now a Socialist
B. What used to be called Republican and is now a Democrat
C. What used to be called an extremist wacko and is now a serious contender
D. What used to be called a Fascist and is now the Republican front-runner
A. What used to be called a Democrat and is now a Socialist
B. What used to be called Republican and is now a Democrat
C. What used to be called an extremist wacko and is now a serious contender
D. What used to be called a Fascist and is now the Republican front-runner
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Someone in the comments pleads that we please "not let the Southern states choose the Democratic nominee." What? In other words, don't let African Americans influence the nomination. I am appalled at the level of racism among Sanders' supporters, and the extent to which the Clinton-Sanders fight is a White-Black chasm.
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Stop reading race into everything. Most voters would have liked their state to vote early on.
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That is not what they are saying. They are not insulting black voters. They are just pointing out that the southern states that Clinton won by huge majorities almost always end up voting for the Republican in the general election. I don't think the southern states should be ignored, nor should the other states. To base the "winner" of the primary on the winner of the first 15 of so states who happened to vote first is not only skewed but essentially ignores the voters in the 35 other states, which could have disastrous results for the Democrats.
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I am so sick to the back teeth of this kind of pandering and faux rage. There is absolutely nothing racist about making the statement that the southern red states should not decide the nominee. Not a single southern red state will vote blue in the general election, no matter who the candidate is. No one is saying that we shouldn't count or consider what democrats in the south want, what they are saying is that by no means should they get to decide who the nominee is going to be. If Clinton can't win independents in the north, then she won't win the general election and it would be the dumbest thing in DNC history to allow her to be the nominee because the southern red states want her to be.
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Frightening that the possibility of two old, loud and angry white men fighting to be POTUS in November may actually become reality.
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It is interesting. Hillary Clinton is going to win the nomination with victories in the states that she will loose in November. Good job, Hillary! And she is loosing to Bernie Sanders the state that she must win in November. Keep betting on Hillary, Democratic establishment and pro-Clinton media.
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I think Bernie should be able to peel off the non-racist, mnon-xenophobic Trump voters, i.e., the low income group.
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The political press continues to cover the Democratic primaries and caucuses from a pre-conceived perspective. It is a mistake. The public sees that Mrs. Clinton is not the clean break from orthodox centrism the country needs. The Democratic race is turning to the north. Sanders will do better there. Be neutral, NYT.
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Have you considered there are many who do not want a clean break?
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The only places that Hilary Clinton wins are black precincts in Southern States that vote Republican but predictably the Times still calls her the "front runner".
The inclusion of "super delegates' at the fact that they even exists shows how twisted the Democratic Party is towards maintaining the right of center status quo.
The inclusion of "super delegates' at the fact that they even exists shows how twisted the Democratic Party is towards maintaining the right of center status quo.
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While it's hard for me to feel good about anything happening on the Republican side of the ledger, with Trump and Cruz being the only candidates with any real success, I still am surprised and somewhat satisfied that Rubio has collapsed as badly as he has. Mouthing all the standard Republican positions while looking telegenic no longer cuts it for a candidate as inauthentic as Rubio.
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The NYT needs to re-group and come up with a better story about the Clinton's. They do not remind everyone of June and Ward Cleaver. With that said many millions across the US don't read the NYT, or Washington Post.
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Seems like The Times needs reminding that the Democratic primaries are NOT "winner take all" affairs so while it's true that Sanders garnered more votes than Hillary in Michigan, for all intents and purposes it was a TIE. Moreover she slayed Sanders in Mississippi so while it was expected that she would receive a plurality in Michigan, the tone of the media coverage is utterly "sensationalist", much more what I would expect from a tabloid than The Times. Same with the GOP in that you were claiming that Trump might be "on the ropes" after his loss in Texas (surprise surprise?) and Maine but clearly he's got a definite edge. I've never experienced election-year coverage like this before. I understand that this is an unusual (and hopefully not-to-be-repeated) election however I expect direct and unembellished coverage. I'm subscribed to The Times and NOT The Post, after all.
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The Michigan race was very close and Sanders barely beat Hillary. Where in the article does it point this out?
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Hillary did lose Michigan, just as Bernie lost Massachusetts. She still has the delegate lead and about a million and a half more actual votes that Bernie. Bernie cannot catch Hillary if he keeps falling short of her delegate wins.
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This election is going to be straight up capitalism vs. socialism.
Let's hope the deadbeats don't outnumber the producers of society.
Let's hope the deadbeats don't outnumber the producers of society.
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The deadbeats just have more money, that's all.
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Yeah, it's about time we end corporate welfare!
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The NYTimes just can't swallow its pride and publish a headline that sounds remotely excited about Sanders' big upset win in Michigan -- the Boston Globe's headline: "...Clinton's Vulnerabilities Revealed." I value newspapers to the point that I actually pay for all my online subscriptions, but I am starting to feel like the republicans pushing back against the party line and am sick of being told by "the NY Times establishment" on who to vote for.
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Is it likely that Clinton can win a general election when her support in the primaries is in states that she would probably lose in the general election? She won Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia comfortably, but she won't take them in general election. The Democrat super delegates (The name suggests they have a high opinion of themselves.) would do well to use all that brain power and experience to rethink their support for her unless they are already bought and paid for.
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Obama did it in 2008.
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When will the Sanders' supporters realize that media coverage is based on ratings and relevance. A relatively unknown senator from a small state starts a quixotic campaign gets less coverage than a celebrity superstar and a former Sec. Of State, senator from a major state, and First Lady. Duh!
As the campaign picks up steam he gets more coverage.
Yes, it is a conspiracy - it's called the media business model - how to use limited space to attract the widest audiences.
If he wants more media coverage, he could take a lesson from the master, Mr. Trump.
As the campaign picks up steam he gets more coverage.
Yes, it is a conspiracy - it's called the media business model - how to use limited space to attract the widest audiences.
If he wants more media coverage, he could take a lesson from the master, Mr. Trump.
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What lesson? Crude talk? No, thanks.
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"A relatively unknown senator from a small state starts a quixotic campaign gets less coverage than a celebrity superstar and a former Sec. Of State, senator from a major state, and First Lady. Duh!"
Then it should be an even bigger story that this unknown senator, to those like yourself, has won 3 out of the last 4 primary/caucuses. The liberal media has spent more time on Trump, while burying the win by Bernie in Maine, where voters waited in line for more than 4 hours in order to vote. Last night there were 4 op-eds about Trump. None about Bernie.
Then it should be an even bigger story that this unknown senator, to those like yourself, has won 3 out of the last 4 primary/caucuses. The liberal media has spent more time on Trump, while burying the win by Bernie in Maine, where voters waited in line for more than 4 hours in order to vote. Last night there were 4 op-eds about Trump. None about Bernie.
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Good morning from Michigan. We have graduates of six universities, including Sen. Sanders' alma mater, in our extended family, and all cast their votes for Bernie. The Clintons, with their clever schemes for making themselves rich by feeding at every public and private trough, betrayed hard-working U.S. workers and their families. Hill and Bill are a package deal, and we're not buying. Plus Hillary was a poor Secretary of State, all motion, no substance. Sanders-Warren in 2016! Now there's a ticket to make a difference and shake up the vultures' nests on Wall Street.
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So much for the influence of the Republican party elder, Romney!
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Why did he make the stoooopid speech? Did he just read what someone handed him, without realizing he was talking about himself? Did he make all the false claims about Trump's wine, water, and steaks, without realizing Trump would use them as props at his press conference?
Imagine. You're watching a future function at the White House on television, when you hear for the first time - "Ladies and Gentlemen, the Donald of the United States". Just imagine.
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When is the democratic establishment, including this newspaper, going to wake up to the fact that the African American votes in the South are not going to deliver those states to the democrats.
Hillary is not inspiring the working class white guys who might be the real swing vote in this election. It is time for the super delegates to suspend their endorsements and it is time to stop the pre-conceived coronation of Clinton and see how this plays out.
Hillary is not inspiring the working class white guys who might be the real swing vote in this election. It is time for the super delegates to suspend their endorsements and it is time to stop the pre-conceived coronation of Clinton and see how this plays out.
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Atrocious and biased reporting - Sander's Michigan victory is merely "threatening to prolong a Democratic campaign that Hillary Clinton appeared to have all but locked up last week." Locked up by losing 3 of the 4 primary/caucuses held last weekend to Sanders who previously pledged to continue his campaign until the convention, backed by an unprecedented number of individual contributors - and unlike Clinton, Sanders is perceived by voters a truthteller - something an overwhelming percentage of Americans and many Clinton backers are convinced she is not.
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Sanders' campaign team must get to work on overturning the super-delegate system. Imagine that the Republicans have a more democratic system than the Dems. Until we can move to a truly direct election campaign with none of this delegate nonsense, let's at least get away from the super-delegate process. Bernie is winning hands down without this. So much for Hillary's inevitability.
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Bernie signed up for the system when he chose to run as a Democrat after a lifetime as an independent; he—and his supporters—don't get to suddenly change the rules mid-stream because that system is working against him. And, as you don't seem to have noticed, Hillary already has more votes and more delegates than Bernie without the super delegates; that's pretty direct, yes?
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Sounds like dishonest dealings by the Republican establishment. ANy candidate chosen by the Establishment in this sort of shenanigans is guaranteed to lose in NOvember. The people will be outraged and rightly so.
At this point the nomination should go to the person with the most votes - its the American win. You win by having the most votes, not by some trickery on the part of the hated establishment.
At this point the nomination should go to the person with the most votes - its the American win. You win by having the most votes, not by some trickery on the part of the hated establishment.
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I'm part of The People, and I'm voting for Hillary.
Old Bernie is too old.
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Not as old as Reagan was when he was elected!
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Wrong, MaryPat. Reagan was 69 when he assumed office. Old Bernie would be 75 if he were to assume the office. (Won't happen.)
Reagan was showing signs of dementia BEFORE assuming office.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/health/parsing-ronald-reagans-words-fo...
Reagan was showing signs of dementia BEFORE assuming office.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/31/health/parsing-ronald-reagans-words-fo...
It is amazing to me that the black community supports Hillary in such numbers given the fact that she supported her husbands crime bill which many believe disproportionately targeted blacks. And now she's supporting criminal justice reform? Hillary is all things to all men depending upon the make up of her audience
When she sat on the board of Wal Mart from 1987-1992 there is no evidence that she advanced the rights of minorities or women nor did she speak out on income inequality
Hillary is constantly speaking about income inequality. But why is it when she learned that UNLV, where she was to speak, had raised their tuition 4 straight years, refused to lower her speaking fee? Wouldn't a sign of support have been to do it for free? The woman is worth millions so her refusal to lower it shows she's all talk and no substance
She also continues to clamor about a woman's right to choose. Look at the NY Times Nov 2015 and the Washington Post/ABC poll and tell me where it is listed as far as most important issue's. It's not but she would have you believe it is because that's a core issue of her liberal policies
Hillary claims Republicans are extreme but tacking to the left of Sanders is fine for the primary but if she continues to do so in the general doesn't she risk losing the Reagan Democrats in the general? And if she moves to the center as her husband did doesn't she risk losing the Sanders liberals? I want to see how Hillary walks this line. It won't be easy and she won't
When she sat on the board of Wal Mart from 1987-1992 there is no evidence that she advanced the rights of minorities or women nor did she speak out on income inequality
Hillary is constantly speaking about income inequality. But why is it when she learned that UNLV, where she was to speak, had raised their tuition 4 straight years, refused to lower her speaking fee? Wouldn't a sign of support have been to do it for free? The woman is worth millions so her refusal to lower it shows she's all talk and no substance
She also continues to clamor about a woman's right to choose. Look at the NY Times Nov 2015 and the Washington Post/ABC poll and tell me where it is listed as far as most important issue's. It's not but she would have you believe it is because that's a core issue of her liberal policies
Hillary claims Republicans are extreme but tacking to the left of Sanders is fine for the primary but if she continues to do so in the general doesn't she risk losing the Reagan Democrats in the general? And if she moves to the center as her husband did doesn't she risk losing the Sanders liberals? I want to see how Hillary walks this line. It won't be easy and she won't
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First of all, it was Bill's crime bill, not hers. And secondly, didn't Bernie vote for that bill?
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Bernie completely voted for it, but his supporters always have some excuse for his actions.
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She made repeated speeches supporting it. Sorry, that's guilt by association Bernie had nothing to do with my point so does mentioning him somehow absolve her?
"Prolong the race...." gee I thought democracy was all about messy discussions & debates...nothing simple about it. Hillary needs to get humble and not assume she has this in the bag...when she clearly does not. Some objective reporting would be good too.....do the Clintons own the Democratic party? No they do not.
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I am not a Hillary supporter but I find it hilarious when Trump supporters call her out for being a liar and for getting paid too much. Ask yourselves which candidate has flip-flopped more often and more radically, and will really say absolutely anything to get elected? (Not just on policy positions, but by insulting, attacking, and scapegoating opponents, minorities, women, etc.)
If Donald could make a million bucks a speech from Goldman Sachs -- or anywhere else -- he would do it in a heartbeat and then would brag about it. Instead of taking money from bankers' boardrooms, he's taken money from wealthy private investors. He's never made any bones about getting rich by any means necessary.
If Donald could make a million bucks a speech from Goldman Sachs -- or anywhere else -- he would do it in a heartbeat and then would brag about it. Instead of taking money from bankers' boardrooms, he's taken money from wealthy private investors. He's never made any bones about getting rich by any means necessary.
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Bernie's win in Michigan is the start of a new Epic.
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The feeling this morning is pure joy and elation!! The American people are finally starting to wake up and feel the BERN!!!
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I don't dislike Bernie. But, I do find him tedious and repetitive.
As for Bernie's fans, I find them disturbingly shallow and superficial. I have yet to experience a real political conversation of any satisfying historical depth or knowledge yet. Mostly they just repeat Bernie's blather, which is just that. He is basically echoing the blather cooked up by the most cynical liars in the nation: the GOP national committee, which has been running against Hillary since 2012. It's indicative that their racist, sexist rhetoric has also brought them Trump.
As for Bernie's fans, I find them disturbingly shallow and superficial. I have yet to experience a real political conversation of any satisfying historical depth or knowledge yet. Mostly they just repeat Bernie's blather, which is just that. He is basically echoing the blather cooked up by the most cynical liars in the nation: the GOP national committee, which has been running against Hillary since 2012. It's indicative that their racist, sexist rhetoric has also brought them Trump.
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Shallow and more concerned with their opponent than their own candidate.
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Ramona,
Passed out my first Democratic fliers in '64 (9 years old).
I'm willing to engage.
Please review this, then, we could chat.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslat...
Passed out my first Democratic fliers in '64 (9 years old).
I'm willing to engage.
Please review this, then, we could chat.
http://america.aljazeera.com/opinions/2014/9/hillary-clinton-honduraslat...
Hillary will lose in the more educated northern, northeast, northwest states, which have more urban population densities and more delegates. All the Wall St. money backing her campaign will not erase the fact - which she tries to conceal with phony rhetoric - that she is an inveterate liar, warmonger and servant of Monsanto and Goldman Sachs. These are things that voters in those states are aware of. Sadly, voters in the South - especially the blacks - will continue to vote against their interests because they are easily malleable, shaped by Hillary's Wall St. propaganda machine.
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Couldn't have said it any better myself.
This perspective is offensive to me as a lifelong southern voter. You are as naive about the world as you are arrogant.
In the debate last Sunday, if you think Hillary Clinton got votes from people after her comments accusing Bernie Sanders of not supporting the Auto Industry Bailout, you would be mistaken. That was a trick response that didn't go over well at all with people who saw it as a cheap shot. Of course he supported the auto industry, just not the draft that gave Wall Street an extra bonus on top. The other accusation that Sanders supported the gun industry, may have actually influenced some voters though, since Michigan is a gun state.
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I can't really believe that someone would actually change their mind based on that exchange. That makes no sense to me at all.
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I would prefer Sanders over Clinton any day but when Sanders said in the last debate "White people don't know what it is like to be poor" was just disgusting!! The majority of people on food stamps are white! Pandering at its finest and a lie to boot. The whole panel of candidates this year is pathetic.
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Quote: "Even before the votes were counted Tuesday, there were new signs that resistance to Mr. Trump’s candidacy within his own party was growing. The number of Republicans viewing him unfavorably spiked to 46 percent in a Washington Post-ABC poll released Tuesday, the highest figure recorded in that survey since Mr. Trump entered the race last year." End of quote.
We have seen from polls in Michigan that despite the forecast of Senator Clinton leading with comfortable margin, Senator Sanders was triumphant at the end. I believe Mr. Trump will win handsomely in Ohio and Florida proving wrong the so called increasing unfavorable ratings as put out by the polls.
We have seen from polls in Michigan that despite the forecast of Senator Clinton leading with comfortable margin, Senator Sanders was triumphant at the end. I believe Mr. Trump will win handsomely in Ohio and Florida proving wrong the so called increasing unfavorable ratings as put out by the polls.
I'm reading the comments and astonished the Sanders supporters still sound so aggrieved. The headline on the front page is that Sanders won; the headline of the article starts "Bernie Sanders Wins Michigan Primary." But Sanders supporters seem upset with the NYT -- why? Imagine for a moment that the candidate you supported had actually won more delegates yesterday and that this was not the headline but buried. That is the situation for Clinton supporters. I think the Times made the right call in highlighting Michigan as that was a very significant and surprising result (and I do agree that Sanders has not been given sufficient credit for his victories in past contents). But I feel that some Sanders supporters are currently looking for reasons to berate the Times. Sanders got the headlines, so you should be pleased. As a Clinton supporter, I'll comfort myself with her delegate count.
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That's his campaign strategy. Trump uses it too.
It's a great little ruse they employ. If you bash the media at every turn, you make yourself impervious to criticism. Fact checks become media hit jobs. Accurate reporting becomes establishment propaganda.
Hillary got THE MOST VOTES last night, and has the MOST VOTES overall.
THE PEOPLE are speaking - but Bernie's people don't like the result. That is all.
It's a great little ruse they employ. If you bash the media at every turn, you make yourself impervious to criticism. Fact checks become media hit jobs. Accurate reporting becomes establishment propaganda.
Hillary got THE MOST VOTES last night, and has the MOST VOTES overall.
THE PEOPLE are speaking - but Bernie's people don't like the result. That is all.
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I see the anti-Hillary crowd is out in force on the NYT editorial pages. Too bad the votes aren't listening to you. Sanders barely won Michigan (virtual tie) and got crushed in Mississippi and the NYT runs an article about Bernie's big night...? Are you seriously trying to claim they are in the pocket for Hilary? She won over 100,000 more votes than he did yesterday. She is crushing him overall in the popular vote count. She is our nominee and she will win the general election because she can build the coalition of minority and female votes we need to win. We don't need a bunch of angry white men, the Bern's constituency, to win. I find it curious that so called progressives for Bernie completely negate the vote of AA voters in Mississippi, a state that has the worst poverty in the country. These are the people supporting Hillary, not Bernie. And it's not because they are controlled by the media, a patronizing or even worse type of comment being made by many Bernie supporters here.
Bottom line is that the voice of a bunch of white men in Michigan does not count for the thousands of people that supported HRC in Mississippi.
Bottom line is that the voice of a bunch of white men in Michigan does not count for the thousands of people that supported HRC in Mississippi.
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I don't believe, as some commenters suggest, that a vote for Bernie is a wasted vote, and that HRC stands a better chance.
Despite the support Obama received in 2008, the established political system resisted many of his programs because, and I will use one commenter's quote, "there is no way that those policies would be able to be adopted in the United States, and so a vote for him is a vote for ideology over reality."
Please do not give up on your idealism and settle, as there are certainly no guarantees that whomever is elected will not face resistance from the opposing party, so let's aim high.
Despite the support Obama received in 2008, the established political system resisted many of his programs because, and I will use one commenter's quote, "there is no way that those policies would be able to be adopted in the United States, and so a vote for him is a vote for ideology over reality."
Please do not give up on your idealism and settle, as there are certainly no guarantees that whomever is elected will not face resistance from the opposing party, so let's aim high.
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Some polls suggest that Bernie is the best candidate to defeat Trump. How do HRC supporters respond to that? Should those polls be dismissed? What if HRC does get the nomination and loses to Trump in the general election? If that catastrophe happens, Bernie supporters should be allowed to call HRC the "spoiler-establishment-candidate".
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"Threatening to prolong a race Clinton appeared to have all but locked up."
This has been the Times' narrative since before Clinton and Sanders even DECLARED their candidacies.
Had the coverage been more honest, there is every likelihood that the race would be what it appears to those outside of the Times' bubble: neck and neck.
Remember, all those super delegates the Times reflexively drops into the Clinton column, could just as whimsically change their minds. Now Ohio and Florida appear to be make or break for the Times' reflexive "inevitable nominee."
Yes, on we go. Interesting how the Clinton campaign built a "firewall" in states in which they ( or Sanders) have almost no chance of carrying in November.
This has been the Times' narrative since before Clinton and Sanders even DECLARED their candidacies.
Had the coverage been more honest, there is every likelihood that the race would be what it appears to those outside of the Times' bubble: neck and neck.
Remember, all those super delegates the Times reflexively drops into the Clinton column, could just as whimsically change their minds. Now Ohio and Florida appear to be make or break for the Times' reflexive "inevitable nominee."
Yes, on we go. Interesting how the Clinton campaign built a "firewall" in states in which they ( or Sanders) have almost no chance of carrying in November.
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Bernie Sanders ...is on a believable mission....to really "make America
Great Again"
Hillary is on a mission....to be the first female US President...and that is ALL
Donald Trump is on a mission to ...live in The White House..and that is ALL
John Kasich....is on a honest mission to serve the US public as President.
and that is the truth.
How about really cutting to the quick about telling us the readers what
is real...for a change...instead of just..."stirring the pot"...like the tabloids
find it necessary to do to get attention...NYTimes Editors...remember YOUR
mission....so..."All The News That IS Fit to Print"....ever and anon...sirs. !!!
Great Again"
Hillary is on a mission....to be the first female US President...and that is ALL
Donald Trump is on a mission to ...live in The White House..and that is ALL
John Kasich....is on a honest mission to serve the US public as President.
and that is the truth.
How about really cutting to the quick about telling us the readers what
is real...for a change...instead of just..."stirring the pot"...like the tabloids
find it necessary to do to get attention...NYTimes Editors...remember YOUR
mission....so..."All The News That IS Fit to Print"....ever and anon...sirs. !!!
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A Bernie Sanders/Elizabeth Warren ticket...could win the DEM nomination as
well as the general election.
so...If the DEMs really are thinking about what just happened for Bernie's
Victory in Michigan...and the DEMs really want to SECURE a victory in
November...now is the time for Elizabeth Warren and Bernie to be on the
same ticket......and this ticket will have no questions about honesty or
ability or the fact that Bernie is too old...this is the way to ...in the huckster
Trump's words...This the...most viable way to "Make American Great Again"
and snafu ....the media bad boy Trump...
What say the commenters on this idea...???
well as the general election.
so...If the DEMs really are thinking about what just happened for Bernie's
Victory in Michigan...and the DEMs really want to SECURE a victory in
November...now is the time for Elizabeth Warren and Bernie to be on the
same ticket......and this ticket will have no questions about honesty or
ability or the fact that Bernie is too old...this is the way to ...in the huckster
Trump's words...This the...most viable way to "Make American Great Again"
and snafu ....the media bad boy Trump...
What say the commenters on this idea...???
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WOW, Bernie has defeated all odds in Michigan. All the polls and pundits were WRONG! Michigan is a true diverse state. I really want the media to stop saying the south is diverse. With the exception of Florida and Texas the south is not really diverse at all. Hillary is going to have a large portion of the black vote and there is nothing Bernie could say or do to correct that in the primary. She is a well- known democrat and worked alongside President Obama for many years who is popular with African Americans. This is why she is winning a large portions of the black vote in southern democratic states. Bernie never stood a chance in the south being that he is an independent senator from Vermont. I want the media to stop saying Bernie can't win anymore states or catch up in the delegate count. The media also needs to stop showing the wrong actual delegate count for Hillary on television its very misleading and unfair.
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Bernie is on the Bern across America --- and he hasn't even fired the 'shout heard round the world' yet.
When Bernie fires that non-violent 'shout heard round the world' to further ignite his & our "Political Revolution against Empire" the Bern will burn through the rest of the primary states.
Understand that Bernie will increase both the enthusiasm and the education of Americans in evolutionary ways of understanding the essential need for the "Political Revolution against Empire".
Initially, Bernie can point to the flaws and failures of a 'foreign policy' that does not serve the interests of Americans nor peace in our world, any better than domestic economic tyranny at home, because our coutry is being pushed by the same corrupted politics to "act like a global Empire abroad".
Even the most trusted elder anchorman and author of "Greatest Generation", Tom Brokaw, on "Meet the Press" shocked Chuck Toad and other young pundits at the 'Round Table' when he explained, "When Trump and Cruz are talking about three year old orphans and refugees [from Syria to Europe], what we're really talking about is three year old orphans and refugees, caused by American policy".
Such truth telling by older and politically experienced people like Bernie, Tom, and the late Walter Cronkite is what has radically changed, even Revolutionized the political landscape as it did half a century ago when such truthful shocks caused LBJ not to run and admit, "If I've lost Cronkite, we've lost the war"
When Bernie fires that non-violent 'shout heard round the world' to further ignite his & our "Political Revolution against Empire" the Bern will burn through the rest of the primary states.
Understand that Bernie will increase both the enthusiasm and the education of Americans in evolutionary ways of understanding the essential need for the "Political Revolution against Empire".
Initially, Bernie can point to the flaws and failures of a 'foreign policy' that does not serve the interests of Americans nor peace in our world, any better than domestic economic tyranny at home, because our coutry is being pushed by the same corrupted politics to "act like a global Empire abroad".
Even the most trusted elder anchorman and author of "Greatest Generation", Tom Brokaw, on "Meet the Press" shocked Chuck Toad and other young pundits at the 'Round Table' when he explained, "When Trump and Cruz are talking about three year old orphans and refugees [from Syria to Europe], what we're really talking about is three year old orphans and refugees, caused by American policy".
Such truth telling by older and politically experienced people like Bernie, Tom, and the late Walter Cronkite is what has radically changed, even Revolutionized the political landscape as it did half a century ago when such truthful shocks caused LBJ not to run and admit, "If I've lost Cronkite, we've lost the war"
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And what has he done of note on these issues during his 30 years in Congress? Nothing. Why not? Why now? And with that dismal track record, what on earth makes you think he can possibly do anything on them as president?
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Why? Because Bernie has to address the Empire to, as I said to him, "get through this thing and win".
As the late/great Jewish intellectual and academic scholar of all Empires, Hannah Arendt. presciently warned many decades ago, "Empire abroad entails tyranny at home" --- and we certainly have both today, Right Here in River City.
As the late/great Jewish intellectual and academic scholar of all Empires, Hannah Arendt. presciently warned many decades ago, "Empire abroad entails tyranny at home" --- and we certainly have both today, Right Here in River City.
I am appalled at the coverage the NYTimes gives to Bernie Sanders. My conservative Republican family has long accused the Times of bias. I am now experiencing it first hand, as a progressive. Bernie pulls out an impressive and unexpected victory - you folks show a photo of Trump (enough already!!!) - and say the Democratic race may be 'prolonged'. This may be the time to stop getting my 'news' from mainstream media and follow journalists not beholden to special interests!
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Are you folks following some kind of strategy leaving all these same comments with every story? No matter what it's about, sanders people come in and express how "appalled" and aggrieved and victimized they are. Sanders is the first name in the BIG headline on the front page. There is a story all about Sanders just below that and beside a another story with the headline "Clinton Is Shaken." Will you only be satisfied when the NYT replaces all other content with stories about how great Bernie Sanders is and why hasn't anyone ever crowned him in all these decades he's been spouting the exact same rhetoric that we hear today?
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Congratulations to Bernie on his surprise win in Michigan. Congratulations to Hillary on your landslide win in Mississippi and for crossing the halfway mark toward the number of votes needed to win. Some may question whether Super Delegates should be included, but of course they are. Bernie will not win a significant number of them away unless he can catch up to Hillary, and yesterday he fell further behind.
Trump should be a concern to anyone with a stake in America, he is bringing out the worst in our society and his candidacy is a threat to the stability of the markets, stock and real estate especially.
Trump should be a concern to anyone with a stake in America, he is bringing out the worst in our society and his candidacy is a threat to the stability of the markets, stock and real estate especially.
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Even if Mrs. Clinton wins the nomination, she cannot win the general election on the backs of minority voters in the Deep South. Speaking strictly for myself, if Hillary is the Democratic nominee, I will find another candidate to vote for in November. Mrs. Clinton has no core beliefs beyond the notion she deservers to be president because she put up with Bill all those years. She certainly does not represent the future of the Democratic Party as she wins big only among groups that are becoming increasingly irrelevant.
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So you are a Trump supporter?
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Black voters are irrelevant eh?
Rita: If Hillary's best argument is "I'm not Trump", that doesn't bode well for her electability. Marco Rubio tried the same gambit and look what it got him.
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The headline is actually that Hillary, way ahead in the delegate count, splits the Michigan delegates and maintains her big lead. But the horserace headline for the media is Bernie scores big upset victory.
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Bernie Sander's supporters must be really proud that their hero's overt sexism and misogynistic attitude toward Hillary Clinton is what propelled him to victory in Michigan. Sanders knew he had to put Hillary Clinton in her place and what better way to do it then during the debate when he sneered "I'm talking here" to decisively ram the point home.
Maybe the real reason Sanders hasn't been getting his fair share of attention has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. Sanders's real problem has been that 800 pound gorilla in the room--Donald Trump. At the NY Times it's been all Trump all the time for months.
Bernie Sanders is simply a left wing version of Donald Trump.
Maybe the real reason Sanders hasn't been getting his fair share of attention has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. Sanders's real problem has been that 800 pound gorilla in the room--Donald Trump. At the NY Times it's been all Trump all the time for months.
Bernie Sanders is simply a left wing version of Donald Trump.
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New York Times: You endorsed Hillary Clinton candidacy for President. Fine. But you still have an obligation to report the news. Your coverage of Senator Bernie Sanders, or should I say, lack of coverage, has been shameful. Ditto for your biased reporting. You have received thousands of complaints from your readers. Yet you persist. You are committing journalistic malpractice. The coverage of Senator Bernie Sanders's victory in Michigan illustrates the point perfectly.
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What are you talking about? On my mobile version of NYT I see 3 out of 5 main stories on the front page are all about Bernie. Should they go ahead and add a new Bernie section?
So once again Sanders supporters claim victory even while he falls farther behind in the delegate count.
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One can almost feel the gritting of teeth and the rending of garments over at the Old Grey Lady as they had to write this article. Like Karl Rove, they have tried to "create" reality, to no avail.
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"threatening to prolong a Democratic campaign that Hillary Clinton appeared to have all but locked up last week"
Clinton appeared to have it locked up last week? Only to the NYT. She was ahead something like 600 to 440 delegates (discounting superdelegates, which can change) in a race that takes over 2300 to win....locked up?
Clinton appeared to have it locked up last week? Only to the NYT. She was ahead something like 600 to 440 delegates (discounting superdelegates, which can change) in a race that takes over 2300 to win....locked up?
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Your headline is "Bernie Sanders Wins Michigan Primary", but you run a photo of He Who Must Not Be Named and then refer to Sanders “threatening” to prolong Hillary's Democratic campaign before the second paragraph is up.
What happened to fair and balanced, NYT?
What happened to fair and balanced, NYT?
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Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
'Cause Brooklyn funk gon' give it to you
Tuesday night and we in the spot
Don't believe me just watch!
Don't believe me just watch (come on)!
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
Girls hit your hallelujah (whoo)
'Cause Brooklyn funk gon' give it to you
Tuesday night and we in the spot
Don't believe me just watch!
Don't believe me just watch (come on)!
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The Republican slander machine has been attacking Hillary relentlessly and at least as far back as Whitewater, one of many "scandals" where she and Bill did nothing wrong. It's had its effect and it will also affect the general election, although I hope less so than the Republicans wish.
If Bernie wins the Democratic race, the Rebs will beat up on him as a radical left-winger.
Either Hillary and Bernie would lead the nation in the correct direction with distinction and success despite what the Republicans say and do. Whoever is the Democratic nominee in November, I will not only vote for her / him, but I will canvass and more.
If Bernie wins the Democratic race, the Rebs will beat up on him as a radical left-winger.
Either Hillary and Bernie would lead the nation in the correct direction with distinction and success despite what the Republicans say and do. Whoever is the Democratic nominee in November, I will not only vote for her / him, but I will canvass and more.
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More idiotic 'Right Wing Conspiracy" bull from a Clinton troll.
The people aren't buying it. Witness Sanders winning in Michigan.
Roll your Queen Hillary the Criminal back into the closet where she belongs.
The people aren't buying it. Witness Sanders winning in Michigan.
Roll your Queen Hillary the Criminal back into the closet where she belongs.
"Eating leaves..." begins a short article today about the starvation and horror in parts of Syria. The Times continues to focus on our presidential race as a
game (counting delegates) instead of looking at where the various candidates will likely take the country and the world. The Democratic establishment and the media establishment need to look hard at what Bernie Sanders has to offer in terms of hope and change, vs. Clinton's hawkish record and promise of more of the same. (It's not just that she can get things done-- a Republican Congress won't let her do anything except pass TPP and bomb
other countries.)
game (counting delegates) instead of looking at where the various candidates will likely take the country and the world. The Democratic establishment and the media establishment need to look hard at what Bernie Sanders has to offer in terms of hope and change, vs. Clinton's hawkish record and promise of more of the same. (It's not just that she can get things done-- a Republican Congress won't let her do anything except pass TPP and bomb
other countries.)
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This is astounding (1), and depressing (2), in 2 ways to me.
1) Mr. Trump will almost surely be the Republican nominee.
2) If Ms. Clinton wins the nomination on the backs of hopelessly unwinnable southern states, Mr. Trump will, most likely, trounce her in the general election as Mr. Sanders' white, working class, voters - otherwise known as Trump supporters - flock to his candidacy over hers.
The unthinkable, Mr. Trump acting as my emissary to the rest of the world, is nigh at hand.
1) Mr. Trump will almost surely be the Republican nominee.
2) If Ms. Clinton wins the nomination on the backs of hopelessly unwinnable southern states, Mr. Trump will, most likely, trounce her in the general election as Mr. Sanders' white, working class, voters - otherwise known as Trump supporters - flock to his candidacy over hers.
The unthinkable, Mr. Trump acting as my emissary to the rest of the world, is nigh at hand.
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Thank you for today's fair and balanced coverage. Please keep it up.
What 'fair and balanced' coverage? The NYT has ignored the earthquake that Sanders caused in Michigan. The NYT just continues to show how sold it is to the Clinton Criminal Campaign.
Thank you Michigan!!!
Clinton supporters ask, what has Bernie been doing for 30 years in Congress?
Sanders spent his time in the progressive minority voting against the policies of triangulating, centrist Democrats like the Iraq War and NAFTA and the repeal of Glass Steagall, and filibustering Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy (see his heroic filibuster here: http://www.c-span.org/video/?297021-5/senator-sanders-filibuster).
Hillary's a centrist, Bernie's a progressive, and the Democratic Party's progressive base is growing, especially among young people who only know a country in which their experience is debt and lack of opportunity. Hillary's been on the side of the majority in the Democratic Party, and where has this brought us? Declining wages for 30 years and endless war.
Clinton supporters ask, what has Bernie been doing for 30 years in Congress?
Sanders spent his time in the progressive minority voting against the policies of triangulating, centrist Democrats like the Iraq War and NAFTA and the repeal of Glass Steagall, and filibustering Bush era tax cuts for the wealthy (see his heroic filibuster here: http://www.c-span.org/video/?297021-5/senator-sanders-filibuster).
Hillary's a centrist, Bernie's a progressive, and the Democratic Party's progressive base is growing, especially among young people who only know a country in which their experience is debt and lack of opportunity. Hillary's been on the side of the majority in the Democratic Party, and where has this brought us? Declining wages for 30 years and endless war.
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Huh. For some surely unknowable reason, the Guardian has just a slightly different tone to their coverage of this event:
"Hillary Clinton loses to Bernie Sanders in stunning Michigan primary upset
Vermont senator had trailed in polls by more than 20 points but opposition to free trade and growing African American support won votes in rust-belt state"
Huh. Go figure. Must be something to do with the latitude difference between NYC and London. Can't imagine what else could account for it.
"Hillary Clinton loses to Bernie Sanders in stunning Michigan primary upset
Vermont senator had trailed in polls by more than 20 points but opposition to free trade and growing African American support won votes in rust-belt state"
Huh. Go figure. Must be something to do with the latitude difference between NYC and London. Can't imagine what else could account for it.
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Ah, Patrick Healy just can't bring himself to admit that the "new resistance" to Trump's candidacy has not made a darn bit of difference. And of course, the coverage for Sanders is ridiculous. There's a big picture of Clinton - even a video - and it's all about her "decisive victory" in Mississippi.
It's really hilarious.
Suddenly, Healy barely knows how to spell Michigan. It must be amnesia because he sure knew how to spell it when he thought it was Clinton's for the taking, and how she was about to wrap it up. Alas, the New York its cadre of the stubbornly biased. Apparently, they will try to shape the elections until the end, even if it means sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting lalalalala.
Congratulations to Bernie Sanders, and while I'm at it, thank you Michigan voters for feeling the Bern!! And thank you, New York Times for at least mentioning Michigan, and placing the name Sanders in the same sentence.
It's really hilarious.
Suddenly, Healy barely knows how to spell Michigan. It must be amnesia because he sure knew how to spell it when he thought it was Clinton's for the taking, and how she was about to wrap it up. Alas, the New York its cadre of the stubbornly biased. Apparently, they will try to shape the elections until the end, even if it means sticking their fingers in their ears and shouting lalalalala.
Congratulations to Bernie Sanders, and while I'm at it, thank you Michigan voters for feeling the Bern!! And thank you, New York Times for at least mentioning Michigan, and placing the name Sanders in the same sentence.
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It's really interesting that of the four candidates with a viable shot at their party's nomination three are as reviled within their party as dishonest and untrustworthy as they are with they are with the opposition, and a avowed Socialist is probably viewed as the most honest among them all.
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Correct your copy. I watched almost the entirety of Mrs. Clintons speech on MSNBC. While it was not live, it was delayed by only a few minutes. It was also the only station broadcasting it (I checked by flipping around). Unfortunately the precedence the media gives to every breath of Trumps has hidden many fine speeches of Mrs Clinton. But not for long.
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Start watching C-Span...Hillary's speech was carried LIVE, as was Trump & Bernie Sanders & the others! Unbiased & complete coverage! How refreshing, thank you C-Span. Feel the Bern!
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I have been reading the print version of the New York Times for the past few days. The anti-TRUMP/SANDERS slant in section one borders on the absurd. Poor David Brooks seems to be getting more and more frustrated. Bet he has a headache this morning. The photos of the Presidential candidates are amusing. Photos of HILLARY are always perfect. Those of BERNIE and DONALD look like they were taken by some amateur photographer with a persecution complex. I also found the article on BIBI cancelling his visit to the U.S. next week rather interesting as well as the Republican Establishment's crisis meeting on that offshore Georgia island this past weekend. What was that all about, eh?
We BERNIE and DONALD supporters aren't as dense as the New York Times assumes. Watch what happens next Tuesday :)
We BERNIE and DONALD supporters aren't as dense as the New York Times assumes. Watch what happens next Tuesday :)
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Well I think the college crowd in Michigan came out for BS ( a lot of us call him Barry Sanders; the name of the great hall of famer who played for the detroit lions). heck Bernie talking free college tuition and relief of some sort in student debt(s) and college kids be liking that. Another point Mrs. Clinton openly said that the Flint water fiasco would've never occurred in Bloomfield Hills or Gross. Pointe. My advice to her handlers is that she refrain from openly mentioning those communities and highlight the point that more affluent communities wouldn't suffer like Flint. We're so race conscious in Michigan and when you talk the Points or the Hills...you be saying "white people" and they take it personal. Your mission from here on out Ms. former first lady is to refrain from any divisiveness against folks who may be from different economic spectrums (sp) but favor you over the GOP's canidate.
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I like Bernie, but it's mathematically impossible for him to win the nomination no matter how many votes he gets in the primaries. The Super-delegates are owned and operated by the DNC. This nominating process has been rigged since day one.
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... And the main stream corporate media said Hillary won the debate? Really?
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Trump won is stronger either because some who would normally vote Democratic crossover to vote as Republicans instead to continue or even aggravate the Republic internal fight. Those same voter are unlikely to be Sanders supporter in the General because most Sanders supporters already stayed the course.
So Clinton will need to stay sharp and stay in training. In the meantime, she needs to figure out how to appeal to the still dominant ethnic group.
So Clinton will need to stay sharp and stay in training. In the meantime, she needs to figure out how to appeal to the still dominant ethnic group.
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Typical Times to downplay what is a massive victory for Bernie. Where is the analysis of how Bernie won and Hillary lost? Muddying the waters with Trump's wins and Hillary's expected win in a state that Democrats will not win. Your naked bias for Hillary is not fooling anyone. Despite the best efforts of the mainstream media, the political revolution continues.
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Do a word count on this article. 44 mentions of Trump. Only 33 of Sanders. This on an article where Sanders is the subject! The media has been giving Sanders the short treatment since the beginning. Despite that he's still standing. Hey NYTIMES, how about the next time you write a Sanders article you refrain from making it about Trump????
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For about eight months now I've been complaining that the Democratic Party is refusing to have a direct conversation with its supporters, and the American people, about de-industrialization, trade policy and the rise of China, and its leaders' role in all three, especially Bill Clinton. In fact, I've publicly called for a "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" on what happened over the past 30 years to the working class, and I note that in matters of racial injustice, Bryan Stevenson Of the Equal Justice Institute has called for a similar commission. He realized though, that the American racial narrative was still based on "fear and anger," making reconciliation almost impossible, so he has had to settle for telling the truth. And so it is with trade and the working class. The voters of Michigan have just told the Democratic establishment, including the four economists who attacked Gerald Friedman in this paper's pages, what they think of the Democratic policies towards the working class over the past thirty years. They have told the truth.
It reminds me of what abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison said in the very first edition of the Liberator, in 1831: "I am in earnest - I will not equivocate - I will not excuse - I will not retreat a single inch - AND I WILL BE HEARD."
It reminds me of what abolitionist William Lloyd Garrison said in the very first edition of the Liberator, in 1831: "I am in earnest - I will not equivocate - I will not excuse - I will not retreat a single inch - AND I WILL BE HEARD."
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Note that Sanders and Trump are appealing on exactly the same issues. Trump chooses to lay the blame for the fall of the middle class on immigrants, illegal and otherwise, while Sander assigns blame where it belongs, with the corporate overlords (of which Trump desperately wishes he were one). Trump is a charlatan liar. But we all knew that. Even his supporters know that. They freely admit it.
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Two observations, first Donald Trump so called wins have never reached a majority and his win in Michigan was 37 percent. These wins are in primaries and caucuses that the majority of voters did not vote. Second is the number of voters think our President and Congress can stop international trade and bring jobs home. These voters are living in the past.
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Listen NYTimes, when commenter after commenter after here enthusiastically supports Bernie over Hillary and especially from the states that the Democrats must win to win the White House, then it would seem that you should adjust your point of view for reasons of accuracy. This still matters, yes?
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3-6-16 Poll Clinton 55 Sanders 42
3-7-16 Poll Clinton 61 Sanders 34
Source RealClear Politics
3-8-16 Sanders Wins
Source: Reality
3-9-16 Conclusion:
Forest Fire for Bernie Underway
Feel the Bern!
3-7-16 Poll Clinton 61 Sanders 34
Source RealClear Politics
3-8-16 Sanders Wins
Source: Reality
3-9-16 Conclusion:
Forest Fire for Bernie Underway
Feel the Bern!
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BERNIE WINS AN UPSET VICTORY IN MICHIGAN, and even your headlines graphs do not emphasize that triumph, NY Times. A BIG UPSET. As Donald would say - a HUUUGE WIN.
NY Times - fair and unbiased reporting? No. We will continue to call you out on your lack of fairness and bias against BERNIE 2016!
NY Times - fair and unbiased reporting? No. We will continue to call you out on your lack of fairness and bias against BERNIE 2016!
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The smear campaign against Hillary Clinton by Bernie Sanders supporters is incredibly off-putting. Not only because of the deliberate misinformation and faulty logic (eg, the constant idea that HRC's support by Southern and black voters is inconsequential), but also because it's contrary to all they say Sanders stands for. Maybe he's a gentleman and an egalitarian, but his followers who comment here sure don't seem to be. It's nasty, and it makes me dislike Sanders. While I never have supported his unrealistic rhetoric, I didn't have a negative opinion of him. But his mean-spirited grassroots support goes strong. There's no way he's unaware of it and makes me think he condones his supporters' antics. Very underhanded.
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She pocketed 22 million dollars for making 92 speeches to wall street and die-hard Israel lobbyists and big pharma. This is in addition to a similar sum pocketed by her husband, Slick Willie.
This is no smear, it is a fact. This fact leads me to be among millions of people who think she is bought and paid for.
This is no smear, it is a fact. This fact leads me to be among millions of people who think she is bought and paid for.
Agree, Ken. Of course Old Bernie knows what his supporters and his staffers do in his name. E.g., the stealing of data from Hillary's campaign. Old Bernie brushed it off. Is he aware of the fact that his supporters plan to stay home on election day rather than vote for Hillary? Duh.
Once again the Democrats seem to be trying to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. As much as I think that Sanders is bringing up very valid points about our corrupt political system, Hilary Clinton is the best prepared candidate out there. Especially against the worst Republican candidates ever fielded.
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you need to visit the polls on Sanders v ____________, fill in the blank on the Republican side, especially Trump. He outperforms Clinton in nearly every poll. Are you even considering how the Independent vote is going on the Democratic side? Or, perhaps, polls don't mean anything anymore, particularly after last night? That is perhaps the best, last leg of your argument.
Hillary is well prepared to continue the corruption she is so good at. Her marquee achievement is getting rich through holding government positions.
The currency of the nomination process may indeed be delegates, but the currency of the general election will be broad voter appeal. Hillary's apparent lack of it should keep her campaign honchos awake at night.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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Many readers have pointed out that Clinton's lead is based on her victories in the states of the Old Confederacy. Here are some details to substantiate this.
In the states that have had primaries and that President Obama LOST in 2012 (South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, and Mississippi), Clinton has won 474 delegates and Sanders has won 234.
In states that have had primaries and that President Obama WON in 2012 (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Vermont, Virginia, Maine, and Michigan), Clinton has won 280 delegates and Sanders has won 307.
Is Clinton likely to win any of the 2012 Romney states listed above in November 2016? I don't think so. And I think she is more likely than Sanders to lose to Trump in states like Nevada and Virginia, which voted for Obama in 2012.
The Democrats' "System," with its superdelegates and Old Confederacy delegates, is in danger of giving us a Trump presidency come 2017.
In the states that have had primaries and that President Obama LOST in 2012 (South Carolina, Alabama, Arkansas, Georgia, Oklahoma, Tennessee, Texas, Kansas, Louisiana, Nebraska, and Mississippi), Clinton has won 474 delegates and Sanders has won 234.
In states that have had primaries and that President Obama WON in 2012 (Iowa, New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Vermont, Virginia, Maine, and Michigan), Clinton has won 280 delegates and Sanders has won 307.
Is Clinton likely to win any of the 2012 Romney states listed above in November 2016? I don't think so. And I think she is more likely than Sanders to lose to Trump in states like Nevada and Virginia, which voted for Obama in 2012.
The Democrats' "System," with its superdelegates and Old Confederacy delegates, is in danger of giving us a Trump presidency come 2017.
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So are you saying that if Hillary is nominee, Trump will win Michigan, a historically blue state? Or are you saying that if we play by the rules in place for the last 30 years, which Bernie new going in, and Hillary wins by collecting the most delegates, without the super delegates, you and other Bernie supporters will vote Trump? Do you presume that if Bernie gets it, all of Hillary's supporters won't copy you and do the same, vote Trump, stay home, or write in Hillary? If they did, you couldn't really object now, could you? Also, why is it that want to now change the rules in the middle of the game, and throw away all the African-American votes because it didn't go your way? So much for democracy huh?
A vote for Trump is a vote against Cruz and Rubio - Cruz is a frightening person - a man who alienates all those he works with. He does not have the respect of his peers - a destroyer not a builder. Trump - wild in his rhetoric but a deal maker - the lesser of all evils.
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The media continues to ignore the one candidate that could unite everyone. Two weeks ago John Kasich was polling in the single digits in Michigan. As he got his word out, he started to rise in the polls. He is the candidate that has true experience and could win. But the media doesn't give him equal time. Watching the jokes of the debates the moderators gave all the time to the three candidate fighting with insults. They are school yard bullies.
But what I noticed whenever John Kasich was given time to talk and lay out his vision. None of the other three questioned his wisdom. None of them could argue against his points. Because they all know his vision is a winnable vision.
The media needs to give him more coverage.
But what I noticed whenever John Kasich was given time to talk and lay out his vision. None of the other three questioned his wisdom. None of them could argue against his points. Because they all know his vision is a winnable vision.
The media needs to give him more coverage.
I am disappointed, nay disgusted with the NYT coverage of Bernie Sanders. You plumped for HRC but now choose to ignore the rise of Sanders. Shame on you.
Don't be all the news that fits you print, be objective you are supposed to be the Liberal press !!!!
Don't be all the news that fits you print, be objective you are supposed to be the Liberal press !!!!
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Which part of the headline "Bernie Sanders Wins Michigan Primary" do you feel is ignoring his success?
"be objective you are supposed to be the Liberal press !!!!"
You probably don't even realize how funny/sad your comment is.
You probably don't even realize how funny/sad your comment is.
Would the NY Times please kindly start to give Bernie Sanders his due? Honestly, the blatant attempt by the paper to mute Sander's success and popularity with voters has become nauseating. The anti-Sanders, pro-Clinton editorial decisions and trending algorithms are as transparent as air.
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My comment on The Atlantic-
Corporate medium can stop the spinning and spend effort finding a new line of work.
Revolutions usually upend how things "usually" work.
The establishment is shaking in their boots - their livelihood is in jeopardy. Sanders' message is spreading like wildfire. Ironically, I agree with HRC's charge that Sanders is a single issue candidate. His single issue? Stop the cronyism politics. And that, my friend, is all we need to solve most of our problems.
Although I must also point out that when one chases a dog to a dead end, there's no telling what it might do!
Corporate medium can stop the spinning and spend effort finding a new line of work.
Revolutions usually upend how things "usually" work.
The establishment is shaking in their boots - their livelihood is in jeopardy. Sanders' message is spreading like wildfire. Ironically, I agree with HRC's charge that Sanders is a single issue candidate. His single issue? Stop the cronyism politics. And that, my friend, is all we need to solve most of our problems.
Although I must also point out that when one chases a dog to a dead end, there's no telling what it might do!
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While Clinton is ahead in pledged delegates, I can't help but wonder what it actually means come November. Does anyone think that the Democrats have any change of winning Texas, Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, or N & South Carolina. I say the odds are pretty close to zero.
So while Clinton is racking up the delegates down there and pointing to her command of the African American vote in those states. So what -- those wins mean nothing in terms of her viability as the Democratic nominee.
The Presidential election will be won in the rust belt and if Michigan is any indication her lead is waning fast.
Those counting on her wiping the floor with Trump might just in for a rude awakening.
So while Clinton is racking up the delegates down there and pointing to her command of the African American vote in those states. So what -- those wins mean nothing in terms of her viability as the Democratic nominee.
The Presidential election will be won in the rust belt and if Michigan is any indication her lead is waning fast.
Those counting on her wiping the floor with Trump might just in for a rude awakening.
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The map shows that Hillary's run out of Southern black voters... Voter's who are driven to vote more for Bill Clinton than Hillary... And here's where the race turns...
Let's face it... Hillary is an extremely flawed candidate with an inflated ego that just won't go away, and polls show she will likely lose if she gets the nomination... Where as Bernie polls way ahead of all the Republicans...
Just what are Hillary's actual accomplishments, anyway? Besides invading Iraq, making millions of dollars worth of "speeches" to Wall Street thieves, and supporting trade agreements that have destroyed the American middle class?
Let's face it... Hillary is an extremely flawed candidate with an inflated ego that just won't go away, and polls show she will likely lose if she gets the nomination... Where as Bernie polls way ahead of all the Republicans...
Just what are Hillary's actual accomplishments, anyway? Besides invading Iraq, making millions of dollars worth of "speeches" to Wall Street thieves, and supporting trade agreements that have destroyed the American middle class?
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So you expect Bernie to pull off big wins on FL, OH, NY, and CA? I guess we'll find out soon enough, but from my perspective, there aren't enough college students and white middle class liberals in the world to give Bern the delegates he needs. Sorry you don't like the way the pesky brown people vote.
I don't know what democrats are thinking. The GOP not only is going to nominate an abominal extremist, but it is doing its best to implode. All the Dems have to do is proffer a somewhat centrist candidate and the GOP is cooked. And yet they are doing everything they can to keep the GOP afloat, both now and for the future, by threatening to put forth a socialist as their presidential candidate, someone who will be viewed my the middle/right as extreme, irrespective of whether the label is or is not accurate. It's befuddling.
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When you know that Sanders is currently beating Trump by 7 points in general election match-ups, and Clinton is currently losing to Trump by 1.5 points, is it still so befuddling?
A central problem with Clinton's big victories in the Deep South is that she won states, such as Mississippi, Alabama, and South Carolina, that she has no chance of winning in the general election. Meanwhile, Sanders surprised her in Michigan and is set up to do well in illinois and Ohio, two other northern states that the Democrats would be expected to take in November. If Sanders shocks Clinton again next Tuesday, her powerful hold on those super delegates could start to erode. And then things get even more interesting.
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Both MSNBC and CNN carried Trump's speech. They didn't even break away for a while to give some coverage to Clinton or Sanders. Apparently, Trump is more entertaining with his showmanship. The coverage by the media (chiefly television news stations) is disgusting. More free air time for Trump again on the Today Show as well. Whatever happened to balanced and fair journalism?
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The DEM Establishment (economic, political Machine and their Media mouthpieces), as well as their Wealth, are scared to death of a Sanders nominee. And so they will mute their attention to him and his successes for fear it will catch on in the coming 5 primaries on March 15th (OH, FL, ILL, MO, NC).
200,000 more Michiganers voted Republican than voted Democrat. Sorry to say, the revolution may only be happening among Democrats.
And Mr. Trump continues to win as long as so many other candidates split the vote. Mr. Trump continues to show more mastery of the media than of policy.
And Mr. Trump continues to win as long as so many other candidates split the vote. Mr. Trump continues to show more mastery of the media than of policy.
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This difference in turn-out continues and I hope the DEM machine is paying attention. Most Democrats have felt betrayed with the lack of progress in 2009 when they had the WH and both houses of Congress. They failed to insist on real health care reform and the people knew it!
That means Michigan is the first primary event where Democrats showed up in larger numbers than Republicans.
In every event before the Michigan Democratic primary where Americans chose who we want as the next President, there have been record numbers turning out to vote on the GOP side.
Let me repeat that.
Every time a state has held an event where human beings are allowed to visit a polling place or caucus to vote for the next President, more Republicans have turned out than Democrats in record numbers.
When it comes to turnout Democrats are 1 for 20.
That's not something I'd brag about.
In every event before the Michigan Democratic primary where Americans chose who we want as the next President, there have been record numbers turning out to vote on the GOP side.
Let me repeat that.
Every time a state has held an event where human beings are allowed to visit a polling place or caucus to vote for the next President, more Republicans have turned out than Democrats in record numbers.
When it comes to turnout Democrats are 1 for 20.
That's not something I'd brag about.
many of the Republican voters last night clearly were motivated at stopping Trump as the nominee. They would never vote for Trump in the election. MI is a lock for the Democratic nominee if Trump prevails, and more so for Sanders than for Clinton.
The DNC is doing to Bernie Sanders, what the RNC is doing to Donald Trump. Ignoring a large percentage of the voters.
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Dear Nora:
On the Front Page of my Times hard copy is the headline:
Sanders wins Michigan.
What convoluted conspiracy is it you are referring?
DD
Manhattan
On the Front Page of my Times hard copy is the headline:
Sanders wins Michigan.
What convoluted conspiracy is it you are referring?
DD
Manhattan
A Sanders-Gabbard ticket will be a formidable winning ticket and game changer for the democratic party. The argument made by congresswoman Tulsi Gabbard while introducing Bernie Sanders in Michigan that in this century we have wasted trillions on wars that have been a colossal waste and that money could have been used for building the infrastructure and that Bernie Sanders will do just that is very appealing for an independent peace prosperity loving voter like me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFOclMUeP4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEFOclMUeP4
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Concerning the Trump victories over Cruz, I don't know whether to laugh or cry. It is very good to see Ted beaten, but by Donald? Good god, Republicans. Get your act together.
I love to hear the Senator Sanders still has some breathing space to continue his run. Ms. Clinton should not be a shoe in or coronation. Her biggest failure this primary season is to drag her husband into the fray. His presence bothers me a great deal; makes me cringe a bit. What does this past President/cheating/NAFTA creating/wealthy New Yorker have to do with her policies? Who is running, her or him?
I love to hear the Senator Sanders still has some breathing space to continue his run. Ms. Clinton should not be a shoe in or coronation. Her biggest failure this primary season is to drag her husband into the fray. His presence bothers me a great deal; makes me cringe a bit. What does this past President/cheating/NAFTA creating/wealthy New Yorker have to do with her policies? Who is running, her or him?
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I'd also add her daughter Chelsea. Not a good idea bringing her in and then lying to her very small gathering where Bernie is concerned. Seems the apple doesn't fall too far for mother and daughter. You trained her well Hillary.
Hillary Clinton is an extremely weak candidate. She is widely distrusted and dogged by scandal. Her greatest primary victories have been the results of blacks voting in southern states that Democrats do not have a chance of winning in November. Democrats had better wake up and fast because Donald Trump would clean Hillary Clinton's clock in a general election. Can you picture it now, self-styled-anti-Establishment candidate (Trump) vs. ultimate-Establishment candidate (Clinton). Given the current climate, is it really that hard to predict who would win?
Go Bernie!
Go Bernie!
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More Republicans than Democrats voted in Michigan.
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I voted absentee ballot, but had to fight for that ballot to be sent via US mail, having filled out the form last Thursday. Working 12 hour shifts 7:00 a.m. -7:30 p.m. was a risk making it to the polling station. The federal law needs to be changed to make it possible for all registered voters to have the option of voting absentee ballot. As for my voter ID card which I presented to the secretary at the desk, dismissive, not needed she said. So, what is the point of issuing the voter ID card if the township clerk(s) office considers the card irrelevant? Bernie Sanders, I voted for you, my two older sons who are the legal age to vote voted for you, we like the campaign that you and your staff are running, lets keep going forward!
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Great comment.
Both Trump and Sanders won on the overwhelming hatred for this country's crooked trade deals.
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Maybe they oppose the deals because it affects them, but the world is more complicated now than the blue collar workers who oppose these deals understand. Just as jobs that can be roboticized are not coming back; you can vote for whoever tells you what you want but they aren't coming back. This is a consequence of globalization. Its not going to go back. They've simply lost pace with competition, and are now voting for charletans who claim they can change the course of the world (they can't). Bernie can no more get rid of Wall Street than Trump can get rid of NAFTA. The world has changed and these people have unfortunately not adapted, while others have (e.g. the Chinese, who provide near-universal exceptional education to their children, with outstanding results).
Even the little blue and green boxes say HRC, win lose or draw!
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Mr. Sanders said that his powerful showing indicated that “the political revolution that we’re talking about is strong in every part of the country.”
“And frankly,” he added, “we believe that our strongest areas are yet to happen.”
Go Bernie! And of course it's time (it's way past time) for more than two political parties in America. Socialism is NOT the same as communism.
“And frankly,” he added, “we believe that our strongest areas are yet to happen.”
Go Bernie! And of course it's time (it's way past time) for more than two political parties in America. Socialism is NOT the same as communism.
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So what do we know at this point about the abilities of Sen. Sanders and Sec. Clinton relative to each other to attract voters in states which have a realistic chance of contributing to a Democrat win in November?
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Bernie stated the truth in Michigan and won: Clinton supports bailouts for the rich and is in the pocket of the banks and Wall St. Clinton tried to make Sanders look unsupportive of the struggling auto workers and it backfired. People see through her facade and that it is really Bernie who is for the people. Unfortunately, it will probably be a Trump / Clinton election in November.
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Except if the bailouts hadn't been passed there wouldn't be an economy in Michigan, and it wouldn't be 5% unemployment it would be 20%. They're lucky what Bernie Sanders voted for didn't come to pass. Not that its easy to explain that to someone with a junior high education. One sentence sound bites play much better than nuanced answers the next day.
The arguments that Sanders supporters are naive and want free stuff is tiresome and completely misses the point.
Let's say that someone is 25 years old. The entire political environment that they've witnessed as a thinking person has been shaped by the Tea Party. Wouldn't they logically draw the following conclusions:
1) Congress no longer has a reasonable middle, so there's no point in playing your politics to the middle.
2) If you want real change, you have to be like the Tea Party: you have to think big, you have to win elections at the local and national level, and you have to go in with a list of demands, not with a promise to play nice with the other side.
That's a very logical (and accurate) conclusion for a young person to have right now. It's not that Bernie supporters expect that if Sanders is elected, free college tuition will rain down from the skies. Many of them have graduated already. It's that they understand that Congress is bought, that Congress is partisan, and that only strong movements can push back enough to get anything done.
Young liberals are finally building a response to the Tea Party, and the mainstream establishment is telling them, "Oh stop it, already, you silly people." They are not going to stop, and they are not going to quit.
The Times has been forgetting some basic facts about politics, including this one: look at who has the most small donors. That's the candidate with the passion. It happened with Obama, and it's happening now.
Let's say that someone is 25 years old. The entire political environment that they've witnessed as a thinking person has been shaped by the Tea Party. Wouldn't they logically draw the following conclusions:
1) Congress no longer has a reasonable middle, so there's no point in playing your politics to the middle.
2) If you want real change, you have to be like the Tea Party: you have to think big, you have to win elections at the local and national level, and you have to go in with a list of demands, not with a promise to play nice with the other side.
That's a very logical (and accurate) conclusion for a young person to have right now. It's not that Bernie supporters expect that if Sanders is elected, free college tuition will rain down from the skies. Many of them have graduated already. It's that they understand that Congress is bought, that Congress is partisan, and that only strong movements can push back enough to get anything done.
Young liberals are finally building a response to the Tea Party, and the mainstream establishment is telling them, "Oh stop it, already, you silly people." They are not going to stop, and they are not going to quit.
The Times has been forgetting some basic facts about politics, including this one: look at who has the most small donors. That's the candidate with the passion. It happened with Obama, and it's happening now.
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Maybe the small donors should be looking also to donate to down ticket candidates.
One big lesson that the last 7 years have taught us is that a determined Congress can effectively block most initiatives of a popular President. The revolution should focus on Congress as well as the Presidecy.
And, we are seeing the impact that control of the states has on national interests.
One big lesson that the last 7 years have taught us is that a determined Congress can effectively block most initiatives of a popular President. The revolution should focus on Congress as well as the Presidecy.
And, we are seeing the impact that control of the states has on national interests.
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The Tea Party has been destructive to America and has hit itself in the hammer for a decade, Rachel, it completely escapes me seeing this from Canada where we got Trudeau elected how taking that tack seems like a prescription for anything except a disaster in November. We changed Canada by moving the middle, not running off the cliff.
Apparently, the Editorial Board of the New York Times has not received a response from the Clinton campaign to its February 26 editorial entitled "Mrs. Clinton, Show Voters Those Transcripts." The Editorial Board was referring to Hillary’s transcripts of her private "speeches to big banks, which many middle-class Americans still blame for their economic pain."
The Editorial Board noted in its editorial that in Hillary’s previous public response to this same call by Bernie Sanders and others, Hillary Clinton had “condition[ed] her releases on what the Republicans might or might not do.” The Board termed this response by Hillary as “mystifying” to them and added by way of explanation: “Republicans make no bones about their commitment to Wall Street deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Mrs. Clinton is laboring to convince struggling Americans that she will rein in big banks, despite taking their money.”
Hillary Clinton continues to "stonewall" Bernie Sanders and all Democratic voters on this issue. If Hillary should happen to win the Democratic presidential nomination, I have no doubt that “The Donald” will be able to obtain the release of the transcripts and may win the national presidential election as a result.
And, the man who should be the next President of the United States, Bernie Sanders, will become only a historical footnote. And, the government "of the people, by the people, for the people" will suffer irreparable harm, thereby.
The Editorial Board noted in its editorial that in Hillary’s previous public response to this same call by Bernie Sanders and others, Hillary Clinton had “condition[ed] her releases on what the Republicans might or might not do.” The Board termed this response by Hillary as “mystifying” to them and added by way of explanation: “Republicans make no bones about their commitment to Wall Street deregulation and tax cuts for the wealthiest Americans. Mrs. Clinton is laboring to convince struggling Americans that she will rein in big banks, despite taking their money.”
Hillary Clinton continues to "stonewall" Bernie Sanders and all Democratic voters on this issue. If Hillary should happen to win the Democratic presidential nomination, I have no doubt that “The Donald” will be able to obtain the release of the transcripts and may win the national presidential election as a result.
And, the man who should be the next President of the United States, Bernie Sanders, will become only a historical footnote. And, the government "of the people, by the people, for the people" will suffer irreparable harm, thereby.
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Trump only ever talks about himself. "Me". "I". "My". In contrast, Sanders is all about "We". It really does tell the tale.
Given that Trump barks about American jobs sent overseas (his clothing line is made in China) and that he has recently and publicly stated that he thinks Americans' wages are too high (they've been stagnant for 30 years), what is it exactly that his working class supporters actually believe he will ever do for them? Are si many Anericans actually this profoundly stupid?
Given that Trump barks about American jobs sent overseas (his clothing line is made in China) and that he has recently and publicly stated that he thinks Americans' wages are too high (they've been stagnant for 30 years), what is it exactly that his working class supporters actually believe he will ever do for them? Are si many Anericans actually this profoundly stupid?
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Here's the bottom-line to date:
HRC: 1200+ Delegates
Sanders: 500+ Delegates
Sanders can win a plurality of votes in all remaining states where delegates are awarded proportionally and still not catch up; block; or win the Democratic party's nomination and that's even if EVERY "super delegate" switches from Hillary to Bernie (which they won't).
It's over.
HRC: 1200+ Delegates
Sanders: 500+ Delegates
Sanders can win a plurality of votes in all remaining states where delegates are awarded proportionally and still not catch up; block; or win the Democratic party's nomination and that's even if EVERY "super delegate" switches from Hillary to Bernie (which they won't).
It's over.
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You're counting 350+ super delegates who are "pledged" to Clinton, but they are certainly not bound to vote for her. Without those super delegates, it's a lot closer, and Sanders keeps chuggin' along, like the little Senator who could.
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If the DNC wants to win the general election, they'll make sure it isn't over. Hillary is NEVER going to beat Trump. By god, can you imagine how he'll go after her for how she treated the women who were legitimately harassed and preyed on by Bill. They don't want Trump versus Hillary....
It's been over since the first vote was cast. DNC planned this long before voting started. Poor primary voters haven't figured out that they've been wasting their time. The fix is in. The only surprise has been how weak Hillary is, and how another third-tier, unaccomplished Senator could give her a run. The super delegate system is anti-democratic and rigged.
clinton will take you farter down th same road started by bush and continued by obama
if you liked th last 16 years and think it was good for america, you will LOVE clinton
if you liked th last 16 years and think it was good for america, you will LOVE clinton
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Yeah, who'd want more jobs, lower unemployment, more healthcare, more civil rights.
You can go further back then Bush, try Clinton as well. Unless you are forgetting NAFTA and Glass/Steagall.
STILL no photo of Bernie to accompany headline about the surprising UPSET win in Michigan, defying ALL the polls that had him behind by double digits!
Instead we get yet another photo of Trump.
Nevertheless, the Bernie Blackout is starting to cracki and light is shining in.
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Instead we get yet another photo of Trump.
Nevertheless, the Bernie Blackout is starting to cracki and light is shining in.
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Another little tidbit, only found in the Guardian -
"While Sanders had struggled in the south to get above 15% of the vote with black people, exit polls in Michigan showed the Vermont senator winning 30% of the African American vote."
"While Sanders had struggled in the south to get above 15% of the vote with black people, exit polls in Michigan showed the Vermont senator winning 30% of the African American vote."
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Clinton has won the bulk of her delegates in Southern states that the Democrats cannot carry in November, while Sanders is winning in states the Democrats can carry, and must have, in November. Her present lead in the primaries foretells weakness and vulnerability in the general election. Are Democrats paying attention, or just counting delegate totals?
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bb, as of today here is breakdown of Blue versus Red state delegate count (not counting super delegates) for Hillary & Bernie. Blue states (those that went for Obama in 2012). Hillary - 288. Bernie - 311. Red states (went for Romney in 2012). Hillary - 471. Bernie - 235. Yes, it looks much better for Bernie if you eliminate the Red States, but he is not running away with it in the Blue states so far. He's fighting Hillary to a draw. (Or you could say she is fighting him to a draw). The point is, you can't say because at the moment Bernie has a slight edge in Blue states means that if Hillary is nominee, it will automatically go Red. That's not how it works. If that were so, Obama would have lost all those Blue states that Hillary won in the 2008 primary. But he didn't. He won them all. Now, certainly, if enough Bernie supporters decide to vote for Trump if she wins it fair and square, then yes, maybe a Blue state will go Red. You can certainly keep making that threat. But is that what Bernie wants? Is that what he is secretly telling his supporters? To sabotage Hillary, if you don't get your way? I think not. Also, are you now suggesting we change the rules in the middle of the game, and tell all of those Southern Democrats, most of whom are African-American, who have given decades of their lives to build up the Democratic party, that their votes don't matter any more. That they are being discarded? Is that your message to them?
The corrupt machine Democrats will fight to the end for Clinton, and smear Sanders to the end. Then they'll wonder why Sander's voters will abandon her if she is the candidate in the general election. There is time to run a suitable candidate rather than commit suicide by Hillary in the final. I would recommend that they run Sanders and get behind him, but he's not corrupt enough for the Dems. Remember, a lot of Dems are counting on Hillary to give them jobs in 2017. So money before country, a typical Democrat "principle". I'll vote for Sanders if he is the candidate, but for a woman if he is not. Dr. Jill Stein, Green Party.
I'm so proud of my Michigan brethren for making the RIGHT choice and voting for Sanders over Clinton. I, along with at least 15 others I know in the state, voted for Sanders -- millenials, women, baby boomers, etc.
Here was a telling sign: my girlfriend was torn between Bernie and Hillary. She came home yesterday and said she chose Sanders. When I asked why, she said, "I actually like the way she addresses issues better, but I don't like her as a person. And I don't trust her to actually follow through." She has a trust problem, people.
Here was a telling sign: my girlfriend was torn between Bernie and Hillary. She came home yesterday and said she chose Sanders. When I asked why, she said, "I actually like the way she addresses issues better, but I don't like her as a person. And I don't trust her to actually follow through." She has a trust problem, people.
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And she will never change on that front either.
Go Bernie.
Go Bernie.
to have observed th careers of clinton and sanders, and then to vote for clinton is at least cognitive dissonance, if not outright insanity
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Sanders offers a genuine message of economic equality. Trump offers sound bites that play into the different fears that so many Americans have.
It is not that the majority of people believe that Sanders is going to move us to universal healthcare or Trump is going to build some wall, but that they are detached from the political and corporate ruling class that continues to destroy the middle class.
It is not that the majority of people believe that Sanders is going to move us to universal healthcare or Trump is going to build some wall, but that they are detached from the political and corporate ruling class that continues to destroy the middle class.
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Ohio white suburban female democrat here. I've been looking for justification to give my vote to Bernie next week and Michigan voters provided it last night. They gave him a chance, and my vote will go to him. Very classy of Bernie to do the makeshift press conference last night to thank Michigan voters (in what looked like an alley, in front of a few small taped-up signs, very charming). His brief and heartfelt remarks stood out in stark contrast to Hillary's long list of talking points. Ohioans, Feel the Bern!
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Bernie is for real, an honest candidate for a change, who means what he says and says what he means, and will do, to the best of his ability, what he promises to do. Unlike Hillary, who lies with neither compunction or shame. And when you vote for Bernie, you won't have to take a shower afterwards, and you'll be able to look yourself in the mirror the next day.
Bernie seems to be giving Hillary a run for her money in the popular vote--but the primaries are all about scooping up delegates. Hillary has been scoopin' 'em up in the South, and all she has to do is to pick up the number required to win. That could happen before some states even get to have a say, given the cynical race in recent years to see how far ahead of everybody else a state's primaries can be scheduled and the calculated strategy of focusing on winning more delegates for the nomination in places that vote earlier, even if those delegates are useless in the general election. OK--them's the rules. But maybe the rules need to change. The idea of one or two less populous states setting the tone is unfair to everybody who follows. Why not have all the dang primaries for federal offices on one Superpalooza Tuesday. The candidates would still be able to campaign for months on end, and the outcome could still be postulated, polled, and predicted ad infinitum by the media, without the outcome in any particular state influencing the outcome in the others. And while we're at it, why not institute universal vote by mail and avoid the long lines, broken or tampered machines, and slimy tricks at the polling stations.
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Some have compared Bernie Sanders to George McGovern, but the comparison is more like to Ralph Nader on steroids during the 2000 election who split the Democratic vote because he believed as many sanders voters seem to believe that republicans and democratic parties are the same in their corruptness.
Democrats face the prospect of being like big game hunters facing down a wild wounded elephant charging at them while the hunters argue over the gun. Eventually some one has to step forward and aiming carefully shoot the elephant. Only one shot allowed before the angered frightened elephant fighting for its life tramples them both. note to Bernie supporters if your candidate hunter has his head in the clouds no way he will shoot the elephant.
Democrats face the prospect of being like big game hunters facing down a wild wounded elephant charging at them while the hunters argue over the gun. Eventually some one has to step forward and aiming carefully shoot the elephant. Only one shot allowed before the angered frightened elephant fighting for its life tramples them both. note to Bernie supporters if your candidate hunter has his head in the clouds no way he will shoot the elephant.
The comparison is not applicable since Sanders has given no indication that should he not get the nomination, he would run as an independent third party candidate in the general. He is not Trump.
" ...she won overwhelmingly in Mississippi, crushing Mr. Sanders among African-American voters, and netted more delegates over all."
Mississippi? Well done Hillary you won in a State where only 220,000 people actually voted (versus over 1.2 MILLION in Michigan).
It is also so overwhelmingly a Republican State, Democrats did not even contest 3 out of the 4 Districts in the State Elections that were dominated by Republicans...
Meanwhile in Michigan. Bernie won 92 + of the Voting Districts usually by a margin of between 15-20% whilst losing only 8 Districts by no more than 5%
Effectively, Clinton won in 2 cities, Sanders everywhere else but also over 45% of the vote in the Cities that Clinton won.
No one is Painting the picture using the full pallet of paint they should be...and Bernie is doing INCREDIBLY WELL considering that Everything and Everybody is against him and doing all that they can to stop him...from super pacs, vested interests , the media, the Republicans, The DNC, The Democrats,
and everything and everyone else who can.
And this Jewish" Socialist" (2 other things not supposed to be anything but a hindrance to Politics generally speaking) is still not only in the Race BUT still winning States!!
No One will tell you this, especially the Media but Bernie Sanders has ALREADY broken just about every record for a Presidential Candidate of his ilk...EVER.
And it tells you something VERY DIFFERENT from the usual...about BOTH Parties coming from the People.
Mississippi? Well done Hillary you won in a State where only 220,000 people actually voted (versus over 1.2 MILLION in Michigan).
It is also so overwhelmingly a Republican State, Democrats did not even contest 3 out of the 4 Districts in the State Elections that were dominated by Republicans...
Meanwhile in Michigan. Bernie won 92 + of the Voting Districts usually by a margin of between 15-20% whilst losing only 8 Districts by no more than 5%
Effectively, Clinton won in 2 cities, Sanders everywhere else but also over 45% of the vote in the Cities that Clinton won.
No one is Painting the picture using the full pallet of paint they should be...and Bernie is doing INCREDIBLY WELL considering that Everything and Everybody is against him and doing all that they can to stop him...from super pacs, vested interests , the media, the Republicans, The DNC, The Democrats,
and everything and everyone else who can.
And this Jewish" Socialist" (2 other things not supposed to be anything but a hindrance to Politics generally speaking) is still not only in the Race BUT still winning States!!
No One will tell you this, especially the Media but Bernie Sanders has ALREADY broken just about every record for a Presidential Candidate of his ilk...EVER.
And it tells you something VERY DIFFERENT from the usual...about BOTH Parties coming from the People.
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Yep, the establishment is STILL in a state of denial.
I can not tell you how disappointed in the New York times I am. You have become an arm of the National Republican and Democratic Committees. If the candidates were reversed in Michigan you would have that state much sooner. With Trump you seem to try and spin the story any way but what is actually happening. Bernie is not far behind Clinton, and he is gaining momentum. She has a strong lead only because of supper delegates. Do you really believe she will win the election if she does not win the majority of delegates in each state.
Even the Republicans are routing for Hillary. Here in Ohio The republican Secretary of state will not let 17 year olds who would turn 18 by November vote in a primary even though the law allows it. It seems to me that the New York Times is just one of the boys in the back room, trying to keep the status quo.
Chuck From Ohio
Even the Republicans are routing for Hillary. Here in Ohio The republican Secretary of state will not let 17 year olds who would turn 18 by November vote in a primary even though the law allows it. It seems to me that the New York Times is just one of the boys in the back room, trying to keep the status quo.
Chuck From Ohio
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Trump's goose-stepping march to the Republican nomination is due to forces in play over the last 50 years. When adguy Haldeman packaged the unlikeable Nixon to presidential victories and then the simpleminded Reagan & his Hollywood team created the first explicit actor president, we were well on our way to having a celebrity TV candidate, whose success relies primarily on his "star" status (look at the adoring gawkers @ his rallies) as well as his appeal to the racists, mysogynists, xenophobes among us.
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I hope supporters of Sanders are prepared for a Pres Trump. There's no way that Sanders, a socialist and Jew, will win a general election
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Are you not reading the polls several of which that have been completed so far that indicated that in every head to head competition against the republican candidate, including Trump, Sanders would do significantly better against them in all cases than Hillary?
What you and others fail to notice is that despite their current leads, both Trump and Hillary are rated the most untrustworthy of the bunch.
Wake Up.
What you and others fail to notice is that despite their current leads, both Trump and Hillary are rated the most untrustworthy of the bunch.
Wake Up.
And you know this how? People are sick and tired with the two party system Trump proves this as well as good old Bernie. Hillary has been part of the problem that both parties have equal blame in. She is part of the establishment and no matter how many lies she spews about Bernie the old trust issue is what comes up and she aint got it. Never did. Besides she's a plagiarist, she's been taking all of Bernie's ideas and talking points and passing them off as her own. We will not be fooled again. Mme. Secy, your time has come and gone, do not take the electorate for fools.
Sanders offers nothing to those who are NOT feeling disenfranchised, have jobs and are thriving. Sanders/Clinton backers are all frustrated, and angry about the state of their lives and our country.
Sanders is a self avowed socialist, which runs counter to our countries history and process. If you can swing life here in the US without the hope of a subsidized lifestyle, Europe is a short plane ride away....
Trump is the endgame here.
Sanders is a self avowed socialist, which runs counter to our countries history and process. If you can swing life here in the US without the hope of a subsidized lifestyle, Europe is a short plane ride away....
Trump is the endgame here.
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He offers them a country not plunging deeper and deeper into neo-feudalism, and I assure you a country in which a greater and greater proportion of wealth flows to the top 1% (and especially .1 and .01 percent) is as futile for all as it is feudal.
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This is not good news for Dems. In spite of the enthusiasm of his following, in a brawl against Trump or in any kind of campaign where the entire electorate is casting votes I just can't Imagine the U. S. giving victory to Sanders, a far left candidate who doesn't just attack the system but divides the country into good and evil with the very wealthy playing his villain in the tragic drama of the decline of America's middle class.
I fear given a choice between Bernie and Donald the country may dump Trump on us. And yet, Hillary just doesn't seem to be all that appealing of a campaigner. Even in the debate I kept waiting for her to stand up for our economic system, saying something like, "Wall Street and the people who make a living from it are not evil, it is simply under-regulated, and fixing it isn't primarily about throwing cheaters in jail- it is about maintaining strong regulations that discourage cheating in the first place."
But this cycle, even more than usual, the simplistic political message is all there are ears for.
I fear given a choice between Bernie and Donald the country may dump Trump on us. And yet, Hillary just doesn't seem to be all that appealing of a campaigner. Even in the debate I kept waiting for her to stand up for our economic system, saying something like, "Wall Street and the people who make a living from it are not evil, it is simply under-regulated, and fixing it isn't primarily about throwing cheaters in jail- it is about maintaining strong regulations that discourage cheating in the first place."
But this cycle, even more than usual, the simplistic political message is all there are ears for.
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Alan, the problem is that our economic system is working for fewer and fewer people, and thus has less and less to recommend it. The Great Recession has officially been over for nearly 7 years, and yet millions of people are still struggling and suffering, The Bush Administration blew it up and the Obama Administration didn't offer enough meaningful help. Trump and Sanders may be like night and day when it comes to their policy prescriptions and general approaches to governing, but their popularity this year is a testament to the fact that both parties have failed a large chunk of the American public.
I remember this morning (Korea time) when the Times reported in its headlines "Clinton wins Michigan". Looking into the article, you would see that Clinton led with 87% of the votes with "<1% of the ballots counted." Really NYT? You called it at <1%? ...and Hillary still failed to win. This tactic the Times is using resembles what Cruz did earlier.
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I Don't understand how people not see that Bernie sanders is communist aimed to destroy USA. Please read a history book , he is using Lenin, Mao words in his speeches.
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He's using the ideas and inspiration of both FDR (beloved Democrat) and Teddy Roosevelt (Republican trust-buster). It's aimed at reversing the policies of corporate welfare, Wall Street malfeasance and Citizens United. He is not a communist.
Unhinged in Canada? You're more socialist than the USA will ever be.
Can America 'stomach' an honest politician? No, that isn't an oxymoron. We currently have one in the White House:
I pray we will have wised up and realized that another one IS good for this nation; this time learning from our own ignorance by also electing those who will support [that] White House Occupant. People Power does work and the Michigan Democratic primary just proved that point.
I pray we will have wised up and realized that another one IS good for this nation; this time learning from our own ignorance by also electing those who will support [that] White House Occupant. People Power does work and the Michigan Democratic primary just proved that point.
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Do not think that democratic socialism is a passing fad. We are serious, we are organized, and we have moral criteria--something lacking in the Neo-Republican den of writhing Kochtopus tentacles. Corporate capitalism has long outlived its utility for the nation, and since Reagan it has been a growing cancer in our economy. We must bring it to heel at the polls, or we will find ourselves in a real class war.
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Its almost inevitable: the sheer force of numbers internationally with growing inequality entails the vast majority becoming economically disenfranchised banding together politically if they can overcome their cultural inertia that trained them to marginalize the likes of Bernie. You see it in Europe. David Brooks calls the idea a "nanny state" but it's just people appropriately using their inherent political power in the same way -albeit much less cynically and selfishly - that the 1% use their available tools and resources to increase their own power, privilege and comfort.
Your reporting, yet again, is utterly biased. You enjoy taking down Sanders. Why?, is the puzzle. Three paragraphs of trash talk by Clinton's "top strategist" close out this horse-race analysis that tells us nothing. That was bad, and you should feel bad.
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@ ------,
Follow the money.
Follow the money.
I have to say it is incredibly impressive that despite relentless opposition from ALL sides Trump is winning.
That means that the voters are not listening to the silly chitchat and that is excellent.
That means that the voters are not listening to the silly chitchat and that is excellent.
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We vote one person at a time, not in neat piles of data. We can not be predicted by our demographics. The pollsters will get it right when they start asking the right questions. The politicians will get it right when they start answering those questions.
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I'm hoping that last night results in more focused coverage on the Democratic race and real issues.
Also, Michigan has 7 undecided delegates. If they go for Hilary, then both candidates would get 65 each. Can someone explain this to me when the undecided delegates have to choose a candidate?
Also, Michigan has 7 undecided delegates. If they go for Hilary, then both candidates would get 65 each. Can someone explain this to me when the undecided delegates have to choose a candidate?
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A democratic presidential nominee Sanders in his 70s, a socialist and soon to be labelled a fervent communist will be pummelled by Trump mercilessly. At least Clinton knows how to fight the so called right wing conspirators. Sanders will be a sitting duck unfortunately, and his bid is bound to fail given a fickle electorate who put a bunch of gleeful stalwart GOP obstructionists in power twice since 2010.
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She knows how to fight?
Really?,
Backed by CNN, the Times, big money, and the DNC, she should be mopping it up.
But, that is not the case.
The power of HRC is part marketing, part urban myth.
Kinda like an East European hollow chocolate bunny.
No way could she win the general with her baggage..
(the Clinton Foundation is full of questionable actions and connections that the RNC would simply love.)
Slightly Flawed?? Please spare me.
Really?,
Backed by CNN, the Times, big money, and the DNC, she should be mopping it up.
But, that is not the case.
The power of HRC is part marketing, part urban myth.
Kinda like an East European hollow chocolate bunny.
No way could she win the general with her baggage..
(the Clinton Foundation is full of questionable actions and connections that the RNC would simply love.)
Slightly Flawed?? Please spare me.
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The good news is that even if Bernie does not have any real depth to his understanding of foreign policy he can still runs rings around Trump in this arena.
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I will bet consistent decency against bullying braggadocio any day.
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Sanders is the starry-eyed dilettante's candidate who will never be elected President. The fix is easy: Anyone older than 20 who did not vote in 2014 should not be allowed to vote in the Democrat primaries.
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How is this Democratic? This is how you want to rig the race so Clinton is elected?
And the dems like to accuse the GOP of voter suppression. Geez.
20? Try mid 30's. Not sure why Hillary is getting the majority of the Black vote when she's done more harm than good with the entire community.
Look at the track record of the two candidates.
Establishment politics has failed you.
Look at the track record of the two candidates.
Establishment politics has failed you.
While Sanders winning Michigan was a surprise, the Democratic picture will become very clear after March 15....If sanders wins Ohio and/or Florida then perhaps Michigan was a game-changer....
I truly could live with either Clinton or Sanders, though i still prefer Clinton....At the end of the day, the most important thing is to beat Trump in November....ANY Democrat past or present would be 500 lightyears better than Trump....
I truly could live with either Clinton or Sanders, though i still prefer Clinton....At the end of the day, the most important thing is to beat Trump in November....ANY Democrat past or present would be 500 lightyears better than Trump....
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Way to go Bernie!
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I am glad that Rubio is pretty much out of the picture but Cruz is still hanging on. How is Donald Trump planning to get rid of Cruz? I hope he has a strategy for that.
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What is QVC and why is it likened in this article to Trump's presentation of self? Querulous vanity channeling?
I am glad that Bernie won Michigan if only to stay the hand of the journalistic undertaker that the Times has become when it comes to his campaign. Again, negativity about the Sanders campaign dots this article, while meaningless Hillary wins in the Deep South that have not been in play for Democrats since 1960 are cast as "crushing" victories. On the flip side, the Times continues to give Trump top billing. Election season has always brought out the worst in the Times and all mainstream media outlets, as they focus on "zingers" and the horse race, but this cycle marks a new low for the Times. Any political reporting on the Democratic primary should be marked as an advertorial for Hillary just to make things crystal clear.
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IF the Republican "Elites" haven't figured it out yet, the voters are seething with anger and Trump's continuous victories make that pretty clear. If the "Elites" continue blocking Trump, he'll simply bail out and take all of his supporters with him, thus insuring a victory for Hillary. Where does that leave the Republicans then? Out to lunch.
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Trump and Sanders are both a threat to the establishment and each sincerely means to bring change that other candidates never envisioned. Both party establishment candidates talk in unflattering terms about each other but they are all mostly nice people but will just continue the status quo. Things will continue as they have for the last fifteen years but that's the problem. I see Trump doing much more than Sanders about immigration but I see Sanders doing more about the big banks getting too powerful. It's a shame that they both aren't running as a team because with their combined supporters, they would have the power to mold congress to get everything done.
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Well said, here's the thing HRC supporters are delusional about: "Sanders supporters will vote for Hillary vs Trump". WRONG.
Sanders supporters are idealists that stand against EVERYTHING that HRC stands for.
This isn't old school Democrat vs Republican parties anymore. This is a new Era of anti-establishment vs establishment politics. That is why many Sanders voters will vote for Trump vs HRC.
Sanders supporters are idealists that stand against EVERYTHING that HRC stands for.
This isn't old school Democrat vs Republican parties anymore. This is a new Era of anti-establishment vs establishment politics. That is why many Sanders voters will vote for Trump vs HRC.
It's amazing how long the NYTimes has thought that HRC had this nomination locked up, and yet Sanders keeps gaining strength. What we are seeing is party leadership and the press trying to cram one candidate into the nomination, while the people keep inconveniently voting for their own choices. Expect foul play and subterfuge as this draws to a close; it's been a historical trademark of the nominating process of both parties.
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Bernie fell a little further behind yesterday. Is that really so hard to understand?
Let's review: one candidate is under investigation by the FBI, has ties to Wall Street and pharmaceutical companies that may go against stated principles, advocated overly aggressive military actions in the Middle East that led to horrors, debts, etc., promoted fracking in countries around the world, and only recently back-tracked on the TPP deal.
The other candidate has extremely high ratings for trustworthiness, has
consistent views on policy over multiple terms in office, cast a courageous vote against invading Iraq, and inspires an entire new generation of voters as well as Independents, has steadily increased his showing in a few months
of campaigning, and does better in polls against Donald Trump, Which one should that political party want to lead the charge in November? The Democratic establishment still has time to change its mind.
The other candidate has extremely high ratings for trustworthiness, has
consistent views on policy over multiple terms in office, cast a courageous vote against invading Iraq, and inspires an entire new generation of voters as well as Independents, has steadily increased his showing in a few months
of campaigning, and does better in polls against Donald Trump, Which one should that political party want to lead the charge in November? The Democratic establishment still has time to change its mind.
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And Bernie's not a liar.
Not only should the New York Times adjust it's coverage of Bernie Sanders but Debbie Wasserman Schulz, the DNC and the "Democratic" Super Delegates should think long and hard about whether they want a win in November, or a loss to Donald Trump. Unfortunately, many Sanders supporters believe they are all willing to go down with the Hillary Clinton ship.
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Fantastic Bernie. Just yesterday morning you were down by double digits in the polls, tells you that the media is not running the show anymore. Unfortunately my state does not vote till much later and then we have to declare a party to vote, as if not belonging to a party makes us less an American in choosing the next president. I will declare just to vote for you. Onward and more states to you! Congratulations!!!!
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Bernie: play the underdog coming from behind, overcoming the media write-off and bias card, you earned it. You battled against great odds and media that had virtually anointed Hillary the Democratic nominee. With the support of millions of Americans who hear and resonate with the message of taking America forward and bringing the economy into some semblance of fairness, normalcy and viability (our descent into feudalism will destroy us) you and your platform have prevailed. Other states should follow. Begin attacking trump more setting the find the stage for the general election.
I think it's great that Bernie is making a contest out of this primary. Unfortunately his ideas are great but not doable. The bottom line here is that if Hillary gets the nomination, the Bernie supporters will vote for her over whomever the republicans run.
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Unfortunately his ideas are great but not doable
thats exactly what king george said about jefferson and washington
thats exactly what king george said about jefferson and washington
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Don't count on that.
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Bernie's ideas are a start; none of his supporters expect massive change. But we have to start some time, and now is the time. Clinton is the same old political corruption. Massive money buying politics, her sense of entitlement, lust for power and general dishonesty, are non-starters with many Sanders supports. The Dems would be foolish to expect us to vote for Clinton no matter who the Republicans run. I've talked to a lot of Sanders supporters. We'll vote Green Party rather than for the lying Hillary Clinton. Enough is enough.
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NYT: Your Dem delegate counts should show the unpledged delegates as well. While they may change, currently HRC has 461 unpledged delegates (WaPo) on her side giving her more than 1/2 of the delegates needed to secure the nomination. The Bern has 25 unpledged. (226 haven't committed either way).
It is good to see The Bern getting these victories but the 2 truths are HRC will win, and not only because of unpledged delegates, and that even if he were to win he is far too left to be electable.
Finally, the Democratic Party should dump unpledged delegates altogether. It promotes an "insider" atmosphere in the party that does not represent voter intentions. It gives the presumptive nominee a huge apparent margin that is not voter made. Yet, while the system persists, NYT, you should publish them too.
It is good to see The Bern getting these victories but the 2 truths are HRC will win, and not only because of unpledged delegates, and that even if he were to win he is far too left to be electable.
Finally, the Democratic Party should dump unpledged delegates altogether. It promotes an "insider" atmosphere in the party that does not represent voter intentions. It gives the presumptive nominee a huge apparent margin that is not voter made. Yet, while the system persists, NYT, you should publish them too.
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Sometime we have to stand up and do the right thing, and not worry.
If Sanders is too far left, how is he getting the independent vote away from Clinton?
Independent's are not Republicans. Moderate Democrats, Independents and Republicans will not vote for The Bern in the general election. HRC is middle enough to hold off Drumph.
"Ms Clinton lost badly in Michigan among independents, showed continued weakness with working-class white Democrats, and was unable to count on as much of an advantage with black voters..." During every other election for the decades the media has harped on independents, who are now a full third of the electorate. But now that their favorite candidate, Clinton, is not winning them, they are barely mentioned.
If you want someone to beat the Republican nominee, likely to be Trump, you need a candidate that appeals to independents. That candidate is Bernie Sanders. Those of you that think it is "safer" to put Clinton on the ticket are not aware of how angry those critical independents are at the establishment, as personified by candidates like Jeb Bush and Hilary Clinton.
The only reason Clinton is still in the race is that she is doing very well among black voters in states that will never vote for a Democrat in the general election. Michigan is a key state. Louisiana is not. The general election will not be a fight over Southern blacks, many of whom have been disenfranchised. The fight will be over independent voters, and we are looking to shakeup the system that is failing us, not put in someone that thinks the center is halfway between two pro-corporate parties.
If you really want the Democrats to win in November, vote Bernie Sanders, because he is the one that can compete with Trump as a revolutionary who doesn't back bad trade deals and appeals to independents.
If you want someone to beat the Republican nominee, likely to be Trump, you need a candidate that appeals to independents. That candidate is Bernie Sanders. Those of you that think it is "safer" to put Clinton on the ticket are not aware of how angry those critical independents are at the establishment, as personified by candidates like Jeb Bush and Hilary Clinton.
The only reason Clinton is still in the race is that she is doing very well among black voters in states that will never vote for a Democrat in the general election. Michigan is a key state. Louisiana is not. The general election will not be a fight over Southern blacks, many of whom have been disenfranchised. The fight will be over independent voters, and we are looking to shakeup the system that is failing us, not put in someone that thinks the center is halfway between two pro-corporate parties.
If you really want the Democrats to win in November, vote Bernie Sanders, because he is the one that can compete with Trump as a revolutionary who doesn't back bad trade deals and appeals to independents.
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It's time to stop referring to black voters as a homogeneous bloc. Rural, heavily Christian, rural blacks in conservative states may very well vote quite differently than the more urban and urbane population in blue states. Bernie is only recently getting (almost) adequate attention, too - to the extent that loyalty to Obama serves Hilary well, his platform might become a real challenge as people get to know him. This Bernie supporter only hopes it's not too little too late.
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Congrats to Bernie Sanders and his supporters for his win in Michigan.
I am not as happy about his win as I am a Hillary supporter.
I think a Trump or Sanders' win in the general election will not result in any substantive gains for the middle class. Business will just leave to more friendly environs. The multinationals have no allegiance to the US. This is well demonstrated over the decades.
Trump's tariff and xenophobic prescriptions will not bring more jobs and Bernie's campaign to tax them as punishment for their prosperity will not bring in the revenue he claims.
Maybe the voters already know this. They are just exercising what they think of as some remnant of power in an otherwise powerless existence. Either way, I have little hope that things will change.
I am not as happy about his win as I am a Hillary supporter.
I think a Trump or Sanders' win in the general election will not result in any substantive gains for the middle class. Business will just leave to more friendly environs. The multinationals have no allegiance to the US. This is well demonstrated over the decades.
Trump's tariff and xenophobic prescriptions will not bring more jobs and Bernie's campaign to tax them as punishment for their prosperity will not bring in the revenue he claims.
Maybe the voters already know this. They are just exercising what they think of as some remnant of power in an otherwise powerless existence. Either way, I have little hope that things will change.
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And that is why you are a HRC supporters.
Nothing wrong with that, you have already been defeated.
Quit buying in to the lies you have been spoon fed your entire life.
This, "Business will just leave to more friendly environs" being one of them.
They will not leave, they need American's business to prosper. They will pay. They just don't want to, which is why they fund your candidate, HRC and the propaganda you currently hold as truth.
Nothing wrong with that, you have already been defeated.
Quit buying in to the lies you have been spoon fed your entire life.
This, "Business will just leave to more friendly environs" being one of them.
They will not leave, they need American's business to prosper. They will pay. They just don't want to, which is why they fund your candidate, HRC and the propaganda you currently hold as truth.
If journalists and political analysts/pundits are going to project the nomination of Trump and Clinton, they should speculate about how that match up will turn out.
Except for a narrow win in Massachusetts, Clinton's primary/caucus victories have been in states she would not likely win in a general election. Sanders has been winning in Blue states due to the passionate support of liberals and young voters and of Independents.
Please tell us prognosticators, if Clinton gets the Democrat nomination, will Independents vote more for her or for Trump? Will Clinton get a good turnout from Sanders' supporters? If Trump gets the Republican nomination, will more liberal Republicans turn out for Trump?
Except for a narrow win in Massachusetts, Clinton's primary/caucus victories have been in states she would not likely win in a general election. Sanders has been winning in Blue states due to the passionate support of liberals and young voters and of Independents.
Please tell us prognosticators, if Clinton gets the Democrat nomination, will Independents vote more for her or for Trump? Will Clinton get a good turnout from Sanders' supporters? If Trump gets the Republican nomination, will more liberal Republicans turn out for Trump?
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The five most significant actions taken by the Republicans in the last eight years have been:
Claiming that the US President was not born in the US
Bringing the US Government to a standstil,
Voting over 50 times in the House to repeal the Affordable Health Care Act,
Asking a foreign leader to appear before Congress to trash the policies of the US and its allies such as Britain and Germany, and
Refusing to consider a nomination to the Supreme Court.
All these action were gleefully reported in the right wing media; a media that egged on the Republican Party to carry them out, in order to boost ratings.
Inspired as Republicans may think those actions were, they are not the stuff which creates leadership.
And so, as the anti-Obama era fades, a vacuum appears and along comes Mr. Trump.
Claiming that the US President was not born in the US
Bringing the US Government to a standstil,
Voting over 50 times in the House to repeal the Affordable Health Care Act,
Asking a foreign leader to appear before Congress to trash the policies of the US and its allies such as Britain and Germany, and
Refusing to consider a nomination to the Supreme Court.
All these action were gleefully reported in the right wing media; a media that egged on the Republican Party to carry them out, in order to boost ratings.
Inspired as Republicans may think those actions were, they are not the stuff which creates leadership.
And so, as the anti-Obama era fades, a vacuum appears and along comes Mr. Trump.
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Are humans commodities to be shopped around the globe for wages that are the cheapest? With technology development in manufacturing, logistics, often labor costs(not to mention tax subsidies from the begging governments wanting jobs to relocate),is the main factor. Why haven't we seen this long term trend that has occurred repeatedly for six decades?
Money captures our culture, our media, our churches and people are simply too trusting of our existing institutional setting. Bernie and Trump both are shifting the public paradigm.
Money captures our culture, our media, our churches and people are simply too trusting of our existing institutional setting. Bernie and Trump both are shifting the public paradigm.
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To all of you spinning negatively on Sen. Sanders. I, being a supporter of him, myself do not believe that once he's elected everything will become free all of a sudden. Even his policies require incremental changes, just like Obama's. Moving towards complete implementation of those policies may even take a decade.
But you know what is the one thing I totally trust him to do in two years of his candidacy? Abolishing Citizens United. That will totally cut off lobbying in DC and then we're talking about politicians listening to common people. Only then will Sen. Sanders (then President) implement his amazing ideologies.
Give me one other candidate in the recent history who has been against campaign funding by the wealthy. I'll be happy to endorse that person. I'm sure you'd find that there is no one except Sen. Sanders.
Also, I expect him to make a great nominee to the Supreme Court if the post is still vacant. Then, I'm sure he can bring good changes to combating global warming.
You know what this campaign is all about? It's what he's been saying. The revolution. When people wake up, politicians will have to listen. Political dialogue becomes stronger. That's what I believe in. Changes will happen. Sen. Sanders will do what is good for the country.
But you know what is the one thing I totally trust him to do in two years of his candidacy? Abolishing Citizens United. That will totally cut off lobbying in DC and then we're talking about politicians listening to common people. Only then will Sen. Sanders (then President) implement his amazing ideologies.
Give me one other candidate in the recent history who has been against campaign funding by the wealthy. I'll be happy to endorse that person. I'm sure you'd find that there is no one except Sen. Sanders.
Also, I expect him to make a great nominee to the Supreme Court if the post is still vacant. Then, I'm sure he can bring good changes to combating global warming.
You know what this campaign is all about? It's what he's been saying. The revolution. When people wake up, politicians will have to listen. Political dialogue becomes stronger. That's what I believe in. Changes will happen. Sen. Sanders will do what is good for the country.
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Well said. Either Trump or Sanders would assume an office that provides checks and balances and support. Its time to end the Republican party of recent past, and do something for the middle class.
Trump may have the most votes but I don't believe he has gotten a clear majority (>50%) in any primary so far. And in a few primaries he's gotten less than 1/3. He may be the front runner but there are other candidates close behind and still a lot of primaries to go. And who wants a crude, loudmouthed schoolyard bully for President? Certainly not me and I hope certainly not you either.
And Sanders definitely pulled an upset in Michigan but I think Clinton just has too much momentum. Sanders is just too radical, too unrealistic and his programs are too expensive. I want corporations to pay their fair share of taxes but let's close loopholes before we raise rates.
But it would at least be interesting if Trump and Sanders ended up as the Presidential candidates---both angry white men one on the far right and one on the far left. It would mean a very "unique and active" Presidential race.
And Sanders definitely pulled an upset in Michigan but I think Clinton just has too much momentum. Sanders is just too radical, too unrealistic and his programs are too expensive. I want corporations to pay their fair share of taxes but let's close loopholes before we raise rates.
But it would at least be interesting if Trump and Sanders ended up as the Presidential candidates---both angry white men one on the far right and one on the far left. It would mean a very "unique and active" Presidential race.
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Bernie Sanders is the only candidate from either party about whom there are no, as in zero, doubt regarding his motives. He is putting America first.
The same sentiment is difficult to ascribe to Trump or Clinton or Cruz (most especially Cruz). Trump is a textbook narcissist. Hillary awaits her idea of manifest destiny. Cruz is Hannibal Lecter without the charm and even less conscience.
Rubio's political career is finished. In this Trump is correct; dog catcher is out of his league now. Kasich, apparently the closest thing the Republicans have at this moment to a moderate with whom reasoning is not out of the question, was never a factor but gets a trophy for Mr. Congeniality.
The same sentiment is difficult to ascribe to Trump or Clinton or Cruz (most especially Cruz). Trump is a textbook narcissist. Hillary awaits her idea of manifest destiny. Cruz is Hannibal Lecter without the charm and even less conscience.
Rubio's political career is finished. In this Trump is correct; dog catcher is out of his league now. Kasich, apparently the closest thing the Republicans have at this moment to a moderate with whom reasoning is not out of the question, was never a factor but gets a trophy for Mr. Congeniality.
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The national results maps shows that the Democratic elite, just like the Republican elite, is out of touch withe the rank and file.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/national-results-map
It's very, very clear that Sanders is winning and/or very competitive in the states Democrats will need in the general election, while Clinton piles up wins in states that will inevitably vote Republican whether the nominee is Trump, Cruz, or a ham sandwich. For Clinton, it could be 2008 all over again. However, even if she gets the nomination, that may well be all the history she gets to make. This is an election year that has completely upended conventional wisdom, but a year that also reminds us that a female president remains the most unconventional choice of all.
http://www.nytimes.com/elections/2016/national-results-map
It's very, very clear that Sanders is winning and/or very competitive in the states Democrats will need in the general election, while Clinton piles up wins in states that will inevitably vote Republican whether the nominee is Trump, Cruz, or a ham sandwich. For Clinton, it could be 2008 all over again. However, even if she gets the nomination, that may well be all the history she gets to make. This is an election year that has completely upended conventional wisdom, but a year that also reminds us that a female president remains the most unconventional choice of all.
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This really is a people's election, as we express our dissatisfaction with both political party elites and with special interests profiting from the ruin of the poor and the powerless.
I am as liberal as anyone, but even I recognize the usefulness of Mr. Trump's candidacy. Republicans are the party of the few, and the party of ignoring the wishes of the "poorly educated" who are finding themselves unemployed thanks to the investor class making billions from exporting jobs to China and Mexico.
Go Bernie!.
Hugh Massengill, Eugene
I am as liberal as anyone, but even I recognize the usefulness of Mr. Trump's candidacy. Republicans are the party of the few, and the party of ignoring the wishes of the "poorly educated" who are finding themselves unemployed thanks to the investor class making billions from exporting jobs to China and Mexico.
Go Bernie!.
Hugh Massengill, Eugene
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From past readings in this paper, it appears that more Americans are waking to the reality that up until yesterday, the two presumptive party nominees are a choice between the lesser of two inadequacies. One boasts about his manhood before a globally televised presidential debate, and the other in her role as point person for American International Relations, in a interview on CBS News, boasts "...we came, we saw, he is dead." In her reaction to the brutal killing of an African dictator, she, gleefully and laughingly, took credit for what is now a country flamed in civil unrest and blood shed.
The world sees these two boastful individuals as representative of Americans in general. What a sad, sad, dismal state we now find ourselves.
It doesn't make for an enjoyable morning cup of coffee, and read of the latest news.
The world sees these two boastful individuals as representative of Americans in general. What a sad, sad, dismal state we now find ourselves.
It doesn't make for an enjoyable morning cup of coffee, and read of the latest news.
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The capitalistic society under Bernie Sanders will survive, do not worry.
He only wants to have a more fair distribution of the wealth created. Isn't that good? Look at the social democratic countries in Northern Europe- leaders in technology, medicine, happiness, security- even innovative entrepreneurs. Do not worry. I grew up in Sweden. We have had social democratic governments most of the time during the past 100 years. A more controlled capitalism. The best for the 95% of teh population.
He only wants to have a more fair distribution of the wealth created. Isn't that good? Look at the social democratic countries in Northern Europe- leaders in technology, medicine, happiness, security- even innovative entrepreneurs. Do not worry. I grew up in Sweden. We have had social democratic governments most of the time during the past 100 years. A more controlled capitalism. The best for the 95% of teh population.
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There is quite a lot of talk here,often from Democrar supporters that if Sanders wins the nomination and then the Presidency there would be complete deadlock and he would not be able to get anything through Congress. But surely a Presidential win for Sanders would reflect a desire for real change that could well be reflecred in later votes for Senators and Congressmen? Of course if a Democratic Congress voted down President Sanders proposals then that would put America on the brink of a second Revolution as it would mean there was no hope for the American people from either main party
Sanders has already broken the rigid structure of American politics. He has made the word Socialism respectable and a normal acceptable talking point
America needs another Revolution and I think it may be on its way....
Sanders has already broken the rigid structure of American politics. He has made the word Socialism respectable and a normal acceptable talking point
America needs another Revolution and I think it may be on its way....
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Winning the general election must surely be the top priority of Democratic super delegates. What action plan should they be contemplating to support that goal in a year that so far has non/anti-establishment candidates winning clear majorities of all votes cast on each primary election day?
As they look at the map and details of Clinton's primary results to date, it must be dreadful to note of their establishment candidate:
Clinton's only area of strength is within the boundaries of the Old Confederacy, where Republicans are likely to win a huge majority of electoral votes in November.
Clinton's severe losses among the independents Democrats will need to win in November.
If these trends continue a few more weeks, do the super delegates -- mostly elected officeholders whose core goal is victory in November -- shift from Clinton to uncommitted? Or persuade her to step aside?
As they look at the map and details of Clinton's primary results to date, it must be dreadful to note of their establishment candidate:
Clinton's only area of strength is within the boundaries of the Old Confederacy, where Republicans are likely to win a huge majority of electoral votes in November.
Clinton's severe losses among the independents Democrats will need to win in November.
If these trends continue a few more weeks, do the super delegates -- mostly elected officeholders whose core goal is victory in November -- shift from Clinton to uncommitted? Or persuade her to step aside?
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While I am opposed to Mrs. Clinton because it is a bad precedent for our democracy that the wife of a former president should run for president herself, she sometimes gets things right. The article notes Mrs. Clinton's comment that "Running for president shouldn’t be about delivering insults; it should be about delivering results.” This is an obvious reference to the Republican side. Yesterday's results make it abundantly clear that it is time for the Republicans clean up their act and get down to the serious business of trying to elect a Republican president.
The rank and file Republicans are speaking loud and clear that their choice is Mr. Trump, despite the strong objections the Republican establishment have towards him and his high unfavorable ratings, even among the rank and file. An establishment Republican candidate will not fare well in the general election. People want a change and are even willing to embrace someone who they view unfavorably when they see the possibility of real change. The Republican establishment should take a deep breath and do likewise; otherwise, they are throwing away any chance they have to elect a Republican president.
Regardless of whether the Democrat nominee is Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Sanders, with Mr. Trump as the Republican nominee, the people will have a real choice for change. If Mr. Trump is elected, the question then becomes can he govern? Probably better than the chance we took with Mr. Obama. Time will tell.
The rank and file Republicans are speaking loud and clear that their choice is Mr. Trump, despite the strong objections the Republican establishment have towards him and his high unfavorable ratings, even among the rank and file. An establishment Republican candidate will not fare well in the general election. People want a change and are even willing to embrace someone who they view unfavorably when they see the possibility of real change. The Republican establishment should take a deep breath and do likewise; otherwise, they are throwing away any chance they have to elect a Republican president.
Regardless of whether the Democrat nominee is Mrs. Clinton or Mr. Sanders, with Mr. Trump as the Republican nominee, the people will have a real choice for change. If Mr. Trump is elected, the question then becomes can he govern? Probably better than the chance we took with Mr. Obama. Time will tell.
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