Who on earth wants to spend sunday morning reading about Donna or Donald Trump sexual anything? Yucks!
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A guy being called a "player" is positive? Since when? Maybe back in the day when they used "stud," but girls are told to avoid guys who are players (even if some seem to like them). Not the best comparison. But I agree on many of the other points. In addition, I have a feeling Donald Trump is smarter than we think. He's vulgar because it's part of his act. He is, in reality, mocking the way America has become - mocking his supporters. His supporters, however, see it as him being "one of them," not realizing he's just making fun of them. Once elected (if at all), he'll NOT ONLY NOT keep any of his promises, but will, in his Donald way, TELL his supporters that they are, in fact, idiots for voting for him and THEY are the ones who are turning America into hell.
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If Hillary had forcibly contested Bill's womanizing, she would be out of the political world by now.
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'after he purchased the Miss USA pageant, that he wanted the “bathing suits to be smaller and the heels to be higher.”'
this is just another example of how he says what his followers think. and there are legions of them. I have heartland male relatives who espouse these views gleefully and with impunity while their female peers look the other way (tolerating what I never could.)
this is just another example of how he says what his followers think. and there are legions of them. I have heartland male relatives who espouse these views gleefully and with impunity while their female peers look the other way (tolerating what I never could.)
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People who would vote for Trump must hate America.
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Sarah Palin is the closest we have in political life to a female Trump.
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Who cares..he will still be a far better president and is far more prepared and has more integrity and character and is actually more progressive than hrc...think about that.
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This from the newspaper of record? More like something Sister Boom Boom would write for the Bay Guardian. Really desperate. Try to hold it together for the next eight months, please.
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Please explain why you gave the hypothetical Trump-Hillary vote statistics by not the Trump-Bernie ones? I suspect the Times has no stomach for the truth: Bernie would be a far safer bet against The Donald.
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He will be defeated by Hillary.
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Now, imagine if Trumped changed races, or was a Muslim, or was of meager means...
So then, we are all in agreement: Wealthy white males of Christian pedigree (real or conveniently claimed), have a decided advantage over those situated otherwise.
That is some good reporting, Mr. Bruni.
So then, we are all in agreement: Wealthy white males of Christian pedigree (real or conveniently claimed), have a decided advantage over those situated otherwise.
That is some good reporting, Mr. Bruni.
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Nice point, Mr. Bruni. Now if you would address why Trump's saying things twice like the Goodfellas character Jimmy Two Times is never mentioned as the oddity it was in the movie, then we'd really understand something.
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He would then pick up all of Hillary's supporters.
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Dear Mr. Bruni,
Sorry, I didn't read most of your article on "sexism" because I was distracted by a lingerie ad on the right hand side of my screen full of scantily clad women in provocative poses. Yep, right here in the good 'ol NYT.
So, about this "poor treatment of women" thing you're writing about?
How's about casting "the mote from thine own eye" before preaching?
Sorry, I didn't read most of your article on "sexism" because I was distracted by a lingerie ad on the right hand side of my screen full of scantily clad women in provocative poses. Yep, right here in the good 'ol NYT.
So, about this "poor treatment of women" thing you're writing about?
How's about casting "the mote from thine own eye" before preaching?
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Unbelievable that so many women do not see that! I would also make the same point with Sanders as a woman. She'd be dismissed as hysterical, irrational, too emotional, ....certainly not the stuff of presidents. Clinton on the other hand, can't be trusted to be president because she is "cold, political, calculating"...in other words, rational.
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The illustration used, should have depicted Donna in a "smaller bathing suit and higher heels".
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Frank,
I'm not saying your wrong. But the "imagine if…" scenarios are problematic because Trump is so unlikely even in his current gender. If we didn't have the fact of him right now, positing all of these things for a male candidate would be equally ridiculous.
I just checked out his Twitter feed and… wow. I mean wow. Really seems like some sort of Onion parody. But, that's the reality of it.
I'm not saying your wrong. But the "imagine if…" scenarios are problematic because Trump is so unlikely even in his current gender. If we didn't have the fact of him right now, positing all of these things for a male candidate would be equally ridiculous.
I just checked out his Twitter feed and… wow. I mean wow. Really seems like some sort of Onion parody. But, that's the reality of it.
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A very good article. I agree with you.
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Two words: Sarah Palin.
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This is a brilliant essay. Bravo Bruni!
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"I’m not arguing for greater chastity in men. I’m arguing for a fairer and more forgiving attitude toward women."
... Pretty sure the problem isn't that poor Hillary can't get away with acting like Trump. It's that Trump's getting away with acting like Trump.
... Pretty sure the problem isn't that poor Hillary can't get away with acting like Trump. It's that Trump's getting away with acting like Trump.
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Wasn't Sarah Palin sort of a female Trump--the vulgarity, the ignorance, the politician-as-entertainer schtick, etc?
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Besides Race, Religion, gender and transgender here's some other talking points.
10. How's the economy doing?
9. Is Russia trying to start WW3?
8. Why did the State Department do what it did in Ukraine?
7. Is fraud as rampant with Obama care as it is with the other Federal Programs?
6. Why a high speed train won't be privately built between Boston and DC?
5. How long the war in the Middle east?
4. Who would stop genocidal wars in North and Central Africa?
3. Does the candidate plan to out law fossil fuels by 2025?
2. Is single payer unachievable?
1. How are our medical cost going to be more like other countries?
10. How's the economy doing?
9. Is Russia trying to start WW3?
8. Why did the State Department do what it did in Ukraine?
7. Is fraud as rampant with Obama care as it is with the other Federal Programs?
6. Why a high speed train won't be privately built between Boston and DC?
5. How long the war in the Middle east?
4. Who would stop genocidal wars in North and Central Africa?
3. Does the candidate plan to out law fossil fuels by 2025?
2. Is single payer unachievable?
1. How are our medical cost going to be more like other countries?
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H I L A R I O U S ! But Frank, you make such a vivid presentation of rampant sexism in our society. Obviously what's meat for the goose is not meat for the gander. To a man, Trump would be a zero, wearing an orange wig, his skin suspicious for cancer, his 'potty' (Ha! Ha!)mouth where the potty should be. One thing though I would want him wearing the hijab, every inch of skin covered, no less! And I would make him wear a chastity belt 24/7. But "Poor Ivanka". She had no choice!
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As much as one enjoys the image of Das Trump in a dirndl...
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Imagine Donald Trump if he were a woman? Imagine him if were anything other than a white man. His campaign would have died from the word Go.
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"If" Donald Trump was a "Donna" let us say, then she would have many, many supporters on both sides of the aisle. Why? Because Donna is the only candidate who ever thinks outside the stereotypical, political box. Also, Donna would not be beholden to lobbyists and Special Interest Groups but would see issues from all sides and would go in the direction of solutions that benefit AMERICA and AMERICANS first and foremost. As any great negotiator knows, Donna would not give away her strategies when pressed by pundits because she knows that's not what you do to win. She knows it would be tantamount to negligently exposing your hand to opponents in a poker game- which she would never do. And personally, I don't need details of Donna's strategies to Make America Great Again. All I just want to know is that's her intended goal. Donna has already achieved fame and fortune with her enviable business and negotiating skills for over forty years. I would be extremely lucky to have "Donna's" level of experience and skill as my next president -- even if she were a "Donald".
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Houston, we've got a problem
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Another great column by Bruni. More than any other columnist, he has nailed Trump -- over and over again. Thank you!
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Donald Trump is America's Silvio Berlusconi ... I think we ought to take a pass on that kind of disaster.
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"I’m not arguing for greater chastity in men." Why not?
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Thank you Frank Bruni for writing about us and bringing your excellent brain to what has been a very dark corner.
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Donna Trump's pseudonym is Sarah Palin. She was embraced by the people but eviscerated by the media. Trump is still awaiting real critical examination by the media, which seems drawn to him like a moth to flame, despite his open disdain for you. Perhaps it is time for you in the media to do your job.
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If Hillary was "Harold Rodham" I expect a career much like her sleazy lawyer brother, Hugh.
Trump has an older sister. She's a highly respected Federal judge.
Trump has an older sister. She's a highly respected Federal judge.
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This question isn't that hypothetical is it? Don't we have a control for this thought experiment called Sarah Palin?
Ms. Palin while not as vulgar as Donald Trump has a trainwreck of a personal life: rumored affair with her husband's business partner; out of control children who serially take down every Republican family value (e.g., out of wedlock births, drug use), and a fake version of their career and lifestyle played out as a virtual reality show, "Sarah Palin's Alaska". And like Trump, she attacks her enemies with the same combination of ignorance, threat and gusto--her Facebook page to his Twitter. And of course like the Donald she tosses a mean word salad. And yet she was Ted Cruz's kingmaker in Texas, as Ted himself has said.
Trump is simply the Sarah Palin undercard from eight years ago. Get a pollster to ask how many Trumpeters bought "Going Rogue" or attended a Palin rally. It's the same folks, I am guessing. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that gender has so little to do with this current "situation" that were Palin to have finished her term as governor, and run in this race, Reince Priebus and friends would be wondering how it was now too late to stop her.
Ms. Palin while not as vulgar as Donald Trump has a trainwreck of a personal life: rumored affair with her husband's business partner; out of control children who serially take down every Republican family value (e.g., out of wedlock births, drug use), and a fake version of their career and lifestyle played out as a virtual reality show, "Sarah Palin's Alaska". And like Trump, she attacks her enemies with the same combination of ignorance, threat and gusto--her Facebook page to his Twitter. And of course like the Donald she tosses a mean word salad. And yet she was Ted Cruz's kingmaker in Texas, as Ted himself has said.
Trump is simply the Sarah Palin undercard from eight years ago. Get a pollster to ask how many Trumpeters bought "Going Rogue" or attended a Palin rally. It's the same folks, I am guessing. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that gender has so little to do with this current "situation" that were Palin to have finished her term as governor, and run in this race, Reince Priebus and friends would be wondering how it was now too late to stop her.
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Trump is so repulsive physically with his orange hair, paunch, blustery swagger, In any contest, he rates a .0001. His misogynistic and xenophobic views stated add to his repulsiveness., bringing him to a zero. To speak of his daughter as sexually desirable is beyond very disturbing Yuck on every level Trump. Banish him to live forever more in his tower on Fifth Ave.
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Just remember, Trump is really a Democrat.
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/
Did the Democrats (Clintons) send him to put the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party?
http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/21/politics/donald-trump-election-democrat/
Did the Democrats (Clintons) send him to put the final nail in the coffin of the Republican Party?
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There actually was a female Donald Trump except that she was as they say a whole lot smarter. Her name was Ayn Rand and even though she is long dead she still owns the Republican Party and much of the Democratic party.
In Ayn Rand's world failure to take your Cialis in the morning might land you in jail.
In Ayn Rand's world failure to take your Cialis in the morning might land you in jail.
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Thank you, great piece, reminiscent of Gloria Steinems"If men menstruated "--things really have not changed much in 50 years.
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Well, yes, Frank. We know you're right. This is part of what entitlement means, and in general white men don't understand unless it's pointed out. But try this: Imagine Donald Trump black. Would he be a leading presidential candidate, with his many flashy wives, his infidelities, his bankruptcies, his crassness, his constant talk of how rich and popular he is, his lack of anything resembling a vision for the country other than a hatred of Mexicans?
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Thank you, Mr. Bruni, for being an ally in the fight for equality for women. It's a really tough fight. If only other men writing comments had your insight and compassion.
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Italian women were sexier, smarter and more respected during the Berlusconi era.
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It sounds like you're more concerned about the fact that women aren't allowed to be ignorant boors than by the fact that men are. I find it hard to get on that page with you.
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Thank you so much for taking this on. I have been wondering why I have such a visceral reaction to him, and you really just got right to the heart of it. He is the embodiment of sexism and double standards. His degrading attitudes toward women and his creepy comments about his daughter are misogynistic at least and perhaps pathological. The fact that he is allowed to get away with it -- how many broadcasters have you heard say "Oh, I like him! He's so entertaining!" is pure, entrenched sexism. If he were Donna, she'd be working at the Waffle House, wondering how she was going to feed that child whose father turned his back on her. I'm so disappointed that the broadcast media gave him this nomination because it helped their ratings.
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I'm not sure that Bruni is right about a female Trump. She would have to have a deeper voice, I suppose, sounding more like Lauren Bacall than like Sandy Duncan, but otherwise I think the result might be the same. With the same people. White voters will support an Allen West, even if black voters don't. Male voters would support a Donna Trump, even if women wouldn't.
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It is not all gender or race politics. For the GOP it is all about money and power and "ABD" (Anybody but a Democrat). The Democrats do not seem to have an overall unifying theme.
Trump is disgusting as is the entire GOP field (IMHO), Hillary is dishonest and Sanders is unrealistic (again IMHO). The GOP would rather vote for a goldfish than a Democrat. Period.
Gender?! Not so much if at all. Race? Probably a bit. But it did not prevent the GOP from fielding a Black candidate.
Why single out gender discrimination? Trump's big mouth goes after everything that moves ...
Trump is disgusting as is the entire GOP field (IMHO), Hillary is dishonest and Sanders is unrealistic (again IMHO). The GOP would rather vote for a goldfish than a Democrat. Period.
Gender?! Not so much if at all. Race? Probably a bit. But it did not prevent the GOP from fielding a Black candidate.
Why single out gender discrimination? Trump's big mouth goes after everything that moves ...
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As a joke I got my brother a red Trump hat "Make 'Merica Great Again." My clever brother took a red sharpie and covered up the "g" & "r". "Make 'Merica Eat Again!" When he wears it people always take a second look and are usually speechless!
I recently read that when every conservative says, "Let's take our country back" it's code for let old white men run everything because wommin can't do it, Hispanics are only good for those jobs nobody wants, and black men certainly can't do it despite having a black man in the White House with everything he's accomplished. Obama hasn't done everything perfect but there hasn't been a WHIFF of scandal about his family, the country IS doing better in many, many categories and ways.
The blatant racism & sexism on the right is breathtaking and heartbreaking.
Me? If Trump is elected I'm using my dual Irish citizenship and going across the pond as fast as I can.
I recently read that when every conservative says, "Let's take our country back" it's code for let old white men run everything because wommin can't do it, Hispanics are only good for those jobs nobody wants, and black men certainly can't do it despite having a black man in the White House with everything he's accomplished. Obama hasn't done everything perfect but there hasn't been a WHIFF of scandal about his family, the country IS doing better in many, many categories and ways.
The blatant racism & sexism on the right is breathtaking and heartbreaking.
Me? If Trump is elected I'm using my dual Irish citizenship and going across the pond as fast as I can.
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People degrade and debase Hillary because they cannot stand the thought of a woman who puts herself out there. They demand that she sit down and shut up, and every time they do her back gets straighter and her resolve firmer.
No one, absolutely no one, in public life has been through more baseless attacks than Hillary and yet her dignity has shown through.
As a gay man I understand in a small way the intensity of doubts and character attacks hurled at people outside the mainstream.
Hillary is a role model, and I'm with her.
No one, absolutely no one, in public life has been through more baseless attacks than Hillary and yet her dignity has shown through.
As a gay man I understand in a small way the intensity of doubts and character attacks hurled at people outside the mainstream.
Hillary is a role model, and I'm with her.
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If Donald Trump changed genders, I wouldn't like her either.
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Frankly entertaining, as always. Hail to the rapturous beauty of the female Narcissus.
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Come on, Mr. Bruni. Why devote any more ink to this topic? It has long been clear that the man has no redeeming qualities whatsoever. Let's move on.
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"...and his declaration after he purchased the Miss USA pageant that he wanted the "bathing suits to be smaller and the heels to be higher."
Frank, I'm almost sorry I read this column or saw the illustration, as now I'm stuck with the image of Donald/Donna Trump in a tiny bathing suit and stilettos prancing around the stage trying to become Miss USA instead of POTUS.
This has inevitably led to me wondering how he/she would reply to the judges question about hopes and dreams for the future. I'll bet it wouldn't be "World Peace," but more likely better hair.
Frank, I'm almost sorry I read this column or saw the illustration, as now I'm stuck with the image of Donald/Donna Trump in a tiny bathing suit and stilettos prancing around the stage trying to become Miss USA instead of POTUS.
This has inevitably led to me wondering how he/she would reply to the judges question about hopes and dreams for the future. I'll bet it wouldn't be "World Peace," but more likely better hair.
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Trump pretty much did what the Republican's tried to impeach Bill Clinton for - adultery and lying - yet he is now all but their standard barer. The kind of hypocrisy you speak of is a lot more on the right side then on the left.
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The fantasy of this column is that Trump could never be a woman. No woman would be as hateful, as obnoxious, as bullying.
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Could the rise of Trump be a backhanded way for struggling republicans to hand the presidency over to Hillary by backing a candidate that is so very awful there is no way they can win?
Living in a very politically conservative state where everything is determined by allegiance to the likes of McConnell, Walker, Cruz and Rubio, people have to get more wiley just to get by. Any incident can be turned against you at any point in the community by those more scared than you are of being pushed out whether it's at the school and your kids don't get picked for whatever, applying for jobs, even supposedly impartial federally supplied resources like SNAP, Medicare and SSA are all sewn up with countless roadblocks thrown up by republican standard bearers scoring points. The police and justice system even more so. And its everybody not just Blacks and minorities.
If one knows there is no hope for a moderate candidate and you're already screwed to the wall, it makes sense to go for broke, take the Romney catastrophe and run with it by setting up Trump to win the nomination but guaranteed to loose the election.
It does not even have to be a conscious strategy by uneducated unsophisticated voters, In a jujitsu sort of move it takes the momentum exploited by McConnell types and wrests the power it gave them right out of their hands, and rips their hands right off with it.
The powerless can't fight power with power. This may work.
Utterly brilliant!
Living in a very politically conservative state where everything is determined by allegiance to the likes of McConnell, Walker, Cruz and Rubio, people have to get more wiley just to get by. Any incident can be turned against you at any point in the community by those more scared than you are of being pushed out whether it's at the school and your kids don't get picked for whatever, applying for jobs, even supposedly impartial federally supplied resources like SNAP, Medicare and SSA are all sewn up with countless roadblocks thrown up by republican standard bearers scoring points. The police and justice system even more so. And its everybody not just Blacks and minorities.
If one knows there is no hope for a moderate candidate and you're already screwed to the wall, it makes sense to go for broke, take the Romney catastrophe and run with it by setting up Trump to win the nomination but guaranteed to loose the election.
It does not even have to be a conscious strategy by uneducated unsophisticated voters, In a jujitsu sort of move it takes the momentum exploited by McConnell types and wrests the power it gave them right out of their hands, and rips their hands right off with it.
The powerless can't fight power with power. This may work.
Utterly brilliant!
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The reason Donald Trump couldn't "work up an erection for Madonna" is that Madonna is the strongest of strong woman. Watch the documentary "Truth or Dare." She runs things. She's in charge. She doesn't drink and she works out four hours a day. Men like him avoid woman like her as if they're the plague.
Madonna is the type of woman who would emasculate Donald Trump. So would Michelle Obama. Either of them would make a better president than The Donald.
Madonna is the type of woman who would emasculate Donald Trump. So would Michelle Obama. Either of them would make a better president than The Donald.
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Very few politicians can get away with what The Donald gets away with. There are A LOT of women supporting The Donald for the same reason the ladies supported Bill Clinton in droves. They have that special male "it" that's gotten the girls since our days in caves. They both are, or were in Bill's case, 200-something lbs mounds of catnip.
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You still don't get it. This election is about disgust with business as usual, on both sides. The democrats can go on about about how great things are, but that's really just for the 1%. When Obama was elected, he was expected to end the wars and prosecute those who wrecked the economy. He did neither. Hillary will just take it to the next level- more wars, more perks for wall street. Trump's supporters want one thing- to burn it down and start again. They are the forgotten people- derided by you as "low information voters". Perhaps another way to look at it is "un-indoctrinated voters". So you think we need to elect Hillary as payback for a perceived sexism? Do you really think that's what this election is about- checking all the sexual boxes on the list? When you really talk to the average person in this country- white, black , latino, asian- you find a frustration at the way the two parties say one thing and do another. This election is about burning down the house and starting over.
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What are we to make of the 35% of women who plan on voting for Trump, and the remaining 11% of 'Independent' women who are still thinking about it?
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Funny as it is, if Donald were a Donna we would not know him but of his brother, another boorish womanizer. Donna would be running things behind the scenes.
One of the things that always disgusted me about Trump was his public humiliation of his wife Ivana Trump. I won't repeat what he said, but it was incredibly awful and I really wonder at his daughter defending her father as woman-friendly.
One of the things that always disgusted me about Trump was his public humiliation of his wife Ivana Trump. I won't repeat what he said, but it was incredibly awful and I really wonder at his daughter defending her father as woman-friendly.
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I believe a Republican senator once called Chelsie Clinton "ugly" when she was a teen, living in the White House. Publicly picking on a girl at one of life's most trying times is really manly. They are manly men indeed!
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Best laugh I've had for a long time while reading the political reports. Seriously, how could any self-respecting woman vote for a man who views women as sex objects and inherently inferior? If I ran my mouth like The Donald, I'd have no female friends and likely be quickly divorced. The only thing that attracts and keeps women around Trump is his wealth, not "his mind" as asserted by his current (3rd) wife.
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A civil society should appropriately condem garish behavior by men and women equally.
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I would have given a lot to see Yolande Betbeze Fox, the former Miss America (1951) who died last week, confront Donald Trump on his sexism. I knew nothing about her until reading her extensive obituary in the NYT last week and came away full of admiration for this amazing woman. She was an engaged and vital human with a deep social conscience whose physical beauty was clearly the last thing she wanted to be remembered for. I like to think she could have reduced "the Donald" to a quivering mass of orange jelly.
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Yes, Frank, it all is scary. The bigger question is how did it come to this? It will take another election to sort it out.
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While everything stated in this column is true, it all misses the point. Trump is getting a pass for his asinine behavior because voters are basically stupid. The voters are attracted to him because he is a shiny object, not because he is a good person, a moral man, or because he has any accomplishments.
What do you expect? Most voters are ignorant and uninformed - a recent survey showed more than 30% of the American public did not know who Antonin Scalia was a few days after his death. Does anyone believe that the average voter knows who is the Senate majority leader or who is leading the Republicans in the House of representatives? Does anyone believe that very few voters can name more than a couple of Supreme Court justices?
Voters are basically illiterate and lazy, with very little interest in political affairs. Maybe it's time to rethink literacy tests as a prerequisite for voting; otherwise, you should expect more Trumps.
What do you expect? Most voters are ignorant and uninformed - a recent survey showed more than 30% of the American public did not know who Antonin Scalia was a few days after his death. Does anyone believe that the average voter knows who is the Senate majority leader or who is leading the Republicans in the House of representatives? Does anyone believe that very few voters can name more than a couple of Supreme Court justices?
Voters are basically illiterate and lazy, with very little interest in political affairs. Maybe it's time to rethink literacy tests as a prerequisite for voting; otherwise, you should expect more Trumps.
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"In a hypothetical matchup of Clinton versus Trump, she’d get 54 percent of women to his 35 percent, with the rest going elsewhere or sitting on the fence, according to a Fox News poll from less than two weeks ago."
When Hillary gets the democratic nomination, I'd like to see her air a commercial that includes all of those quotes about Princess Diana, Madonna, his daughter, etc. Air it in the markets in which the young women who wanted Bernie are tempted to sit on their hands. Unless they want to start the fight for women's equality all over again, they better get out and vote.
When Hillary gets the democratic nomination, I'd like to see her air a commercial that includes all of those quotes about Princess Diana, Madonna, his daughter, etc. Air it in the markets in which the young women who wanted Bernie are tempted to sit on their hands. Unless they want to start the fight for women's equality all over again, they better get out and vote.
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Women are of no interest to Trump and men like him unless they titilate. Sickeningly, in Trump's case, that seems to include his own daughter. Is there one quote on record of him offering praise of any woman for anything other than the things displayed by higher heels and smaller swimsuits?
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Appalled by Trump and revolted by Hillary, many voters will not drag themselves to the polls. Expect low turn-out for both parties.
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When will it be okay to begin loudly questioning the personality and quality of the Trump supporter. The "I don't agree with what he says, but I like the way he says it" excuse has been given too much credibility, allowing those who believe in what Trump says to hide behind that fig leaf excuse. Which means those allowing the fig leaf for his supporters allow it for Trump as well.
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Please don't sully the name "Donna" by using it in this context! Sigh...signed, A Donna!
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Bruni's points are certainly worth musing about, but if Trump were better informed, more reasonable in his opinions and less confrontational, he'd also be more acceptable as a serious candidate who gets things done, regardless of gender. Neither Newt Gingrich, a serially philandering firebrand who got nowhere in his presidential run, nor Herman Cain didn't come across as very able, the latter seeming to have the intellect and world view of a pizza, which may be round but is also flat. So, gender alone isn't and shouldn't be a deciding factor.
Finally, I am reminded of one-time Texas gubernatorial candidate, Clayton Williams who, when running against Ann Richards and asked how he would counsel his daughter if she were raped, offered that "if it was inevitable, she lay back, relax and try to enjoy it." That was the end of Williams, regardless of gender. Trump's nasty comment about Carly Fiorina was a close second.
There will always be people who respond positively to candidates who spout such nonsense, but they strike me as already disaffected from government and prone to support candidates who voice their anger.
Enlightened governing, on the one hand, and spouting provocative campaign one liners, on the other, are two very different things. The ability to rattle off a practiced verbal bromide, regardless of gender, doesn't in any way convey the ability to govern intelligently. We've had more than enough of the former, and not nearly enough of the latter.
Finally, I am reminded of one-time Texas gubernatorial candidate, Clayton Williams who, when running against Ann Richards and asked how he would counsel his daughter if she were raped, offered that "if it was inevitable, she lay back, relax and try to enjoy it." That was the end of Williams, regardless of gender. Trump's nasty comment about Carly Fiorina was a close second.
There will always be people who respond positively to candidates who spout such nonsense, but they strike me as already disaffected from government and prone to support candidates who voice their anger.
Enlightened governing, on the one hand, and spouting provocative campaign one liners, on the other, are two very different things. The ability to rattle off a practiced verbal bromide, regardless of gender, doesn't in any way convey the ability to govern intelligently. We've had more than enough of the former, and not nearly enough of the latter.
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Wrong, Frank! The nominal male Trump's appeal is a wide-spectrum restructuring of what we used to expect in politics, public image, indeed intelligence. And it works.
Donna could even open more territory in the Land of the Free, going straight for the 10 year old id-mind. American womanhood would embrace the freedom to display suppressed crassness and vulgarity in the form of a candidate, just as they love the most gross female comedians.
Just because we're horrified by this goon doesn't mean that our country won't enjoy the titillating novelty, and wouldn't also go for an even more revolutionary female version.
Frank, you just think that we're better than this. Show me some evidence.
Donna could even open more territory in the Land of the Free, going straight for the 10 year old id-mind. American womanhood would embrace the freedom to display suppressed crassness and vulgarity in the form of a candidate, just as they love the most gross female comedians.
Just because we're horrified by this goon doesn't mean that our country won't enjoy the titillating novelty, and wouldn't also go for an even more revolutionary female version.
Frank, you just think that we're better than this. Show me some evidence.
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Great column, Mr. Bruni, on Prima Donald. Some people might think that we truly need a CEO in the White House; but, he is far more of a horse's posterior, than a true business leader.
He re-structured his daddy's real estate business into Trump Organization, LLC. So, as a closely-held corporation, he has no Board of Directors or Shareholders to answer to. Trump is used to getting his own way--in each and every decision. And, when he must, he "buys" (read probably bribes) his way.
Just consider allowing himself to be drawn into a verbal faux-confrontation with the Pope. Any rational person would have just ignored the question, since he just couldn't win that one. But, Trumpet had to go out on the proverbial limb--and prove his relationship to that horse at the beginning of this Comment
He re-structured his daddy's real estate business into Trump Organization, LLC. So, as a closely-held corporation, he has no Board of Directors or Shareholders to answer to. Trump is used to getting his own way--in each and every decision. And, when he must, he "buys" (read probably bribes) his way.
Just consider allowing himself to be drawn into a verbal faux-confrontation with the Pope. Any rational person would have just ignored the question, since he just couldn't win that one. But, Trumpet had to go out on the proverbial limb--and prove his relationship to that horse at the beginning of this Comment
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My son posted an old Oprah segment circa 1985 or 1988 in which she was interviewing Trump. The upshot was, his foreign policy visions are the same now as they were then. We all know his sexuality visions are the same. That has always been evident. Oprah asked if he would run for president as he sounded at that time as if he had thought about. I guess the time had finally came when he saw an opening and he sure has taken it.
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Trump will pull America back to the worst of the 50s, sexism, racism, xenophobia, and etc, without the best, like a more progressive income tax.
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Looking back, the worst of the 50s sees a dangerous time where most decisions were still made to support the people. Don't forget that in those days corporations were "good neighbors" who worked to save and protect us. Our industries were half a means to better stuff and a half more as an expression of our idealistic hopes of the future. The two parts split in the 60s into noncommercial lifestyle and corporate lifestyle. Then in the 70s up to today, there has been growing single focus on number of dollars, percetentage of dollars etc. without reference to non monetary realities. Is a vacation good because you are happy or because you are with certified elite people
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Thank you Frank, for more than once bringing into focus the profound gender biases against women in our perceptions, thinking and judgement that is our heritage of countless generations of patriarchal culture. This is playing out quite prominently in the spotlight of this presidential election. There are some that believe that gender bias trumps even the pernicious biases of race, color and sexual orientation. Thank you, thank you.
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Please, not another pit bull with lipstick.
My grandmother, raised thirteen kids during the depression, and never got paid a dime. I am pretty sure she would have told Hillary to take the money and run dear, all of it, and not a penny less than what they have paid those other speakers.
My grandmother, raised thirteen kids during the depression, and never got paid a dime. I am pretty sure she would have told Hillary to take the money and run dear, all of it, and not a penny less than what they have paid those other speakers.
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I cannot think of one woman who is as successful in business or has the stamina to repeatedly win.
At first my bleary night-fogged eyes thought your last line read "We haven't seen the end of Tramp"--but then, that's only what it would read if Trump had indeed been female... (and thanks to the moderator for letting "untrusted" commenters in only a couple of hours later than the trusted ones--better than most of the threads tonight for some of us discouraged untrusted.)
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Have you seen the FoxBots every day? Even at 8am they are all décolletage and hiked up skirts. So. Yes. 'Donna' could be one of them. All giggles and innuendo.
Trump as in Donald is an equal opportunity insulter. Gender. Race. Physique. Is it worse to call Rubio sweaty and short? it's his coarsening of discourse. In general. Not a gender thing.
Trump as in Donald is an equal opportunity insulter. Gender. Race. Physique. Is it worse to call Rubio sweaty and short? it's his coarsening of discourse. In general. Not a gender thing.
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And the same sexual dichotomy applies in the D primary race. How far do you think a Bernadette Sanders would get, with rumpled suits, fly-away hair, and one angry stump speech -- shouting and waving her arms, then disappearing after delivering it (no meets, no greets, just speech and gone, which apparently is the norm for Bernie)? Not bothering to appear at a state headquarters after a loss?
The double standard is alive and well, even on our side of the aisle, alas.
The double standard is alive and well, even on our side of the aisle, alas.
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With our new-found American sensitivity to the world of transgender possibilities, we can only hope that The Donald transforms herself into The Donna. If so, we could complete Bruni's thought experiment to see how many of us love her less than we currently despise him.
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Poor white men see in Trump the 'possibility' kept alive, that they too, if they won the lottery, could own women the way Trump seems to own his. Just like the poor white men in the south supporting the Confederacy even though they did not own slave, the possibility was there, and it was the hope that they could own slaves that motivated them to support 'the cause'.
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We saw in the last debate, when he was finally pressed for details - he has none.
Trump is simply a very gifted wind bag - nothing more.
Trump is simply a very gifted wind bag - nothing more.
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It's not just women who could not get away with saying the things Trump says. Any Democrat, male or female, who said them would be booed from the stage as well. There has always been a double standard, it seems to me, in what Republicans can get away with compared to Democrats. The behavior of Sarah Palin's children, for example. Somehow, that was alright with the R's. But if Chelsey Clinton had done the same it would have been a different story. Or heaven forbid if one of the Obama girls ever does something foolish. The full wrath of the Republican party will fill the airwaves with derision.
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Frank, I think it was you who first pointed out that Trump is America's Berlusconi, and the more I learn about Trump the more I see the brilliance in your observation. When I see Trump's face I see Mussolini but yes his deeds are surely Berlusconi"s.
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The Donald has out-Berlusconied, Berlusconi!
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Analyzing Trump's character through the lens of sexism is like analyzing the menu at McDonald's based on its health content. It's just better not to go there – if you do, you're going to throw up your hands and walk away in disgust.
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Mr. Bruni may think that the soupiness of Trump's sexual exploits and otherwise boorish behaviors and musings when it comes to women has an effect on the minds of voters, but it's the "winning" that is the magnet - it is something that few of them can relate to, but would definitely like to see.
Sometimes you look at the guy on the stage, and wonder if his supporters are thinking as follows: he has a lot of money, a plane, a luxury condo building in NY, vassals that cling to his every word, a sexy looking wife - HE'S winning. I want some of that, or if I can't have it, I want to have a guy who's living that life to watch try to beat the rest of the world. Besides, none of the other candidates can offer me anything close to winning.
So it is the "winning" narrative that infects the portion of the population that supports Trump now - it really doesn't have much to do with women. Women are only an arm bracelet for him that is another piece of evidence that he's winning. Any more analysis than that is missing the point.
Sometimes you look at the guy on the stage, and wonder if his supporters are thinking as follows: he has a lot of money, a plane, a luxury condo building in NY, vassals that cling to his every word, a sexy looking wife - HE'S winning. I want some of that, or if I can't have it, I want to have a guy who's living that life to watch try to beat the rest of the world. Besides, none of the other candidates can offer me anything close to winning.
So it is the "winning" narrative that infects the portion of the population that supports Trump now - it really doesn't have much to do with women. Women are only an arm bracelet for him that is another piece of evidence that he's winning. Any more analysis than that is missing the point.
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Actually, some of the analysis is why women would want to vote for him, unless they aspire to his female version of winning - being "arm candy" to a bully.
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No one here is stupid. Of course gender bias is still a huge problem. I'd be the last person to question that, however, it's possible to feel disquiet about Clinton for perfectly valid reasons. It's possible to simply prefer someone else or wish that another women had run instead of Clinton, without being guilty of gender bias or being a traitor to one's own sex. Last I heard, this is a free country. If others can't or won't respect that, it really is their problem.
I'm not going into Trump because while I'm necessarily a Clinton enthusiast, I do honestly wonder if Trump is serious emotionally disturbed or something, so as far as I'm concerned the point isn't moot. Hell, he isn't moot.
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I'm not going into Trump because while I'm necessarily a Clinton enthusiast, I do honestly wonder if Trump is serious emotionally disturbed or something, so as far as I'm concerned the point isn't moot. Hell, he isn't moot.
2-28-16@4:55 am
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Trump's life does underscore a gender double-standard, but I believe there is another factor at play. Trump reflects a decline in civility in our society--a decline that is prevalent in the Republican Party. Republicans' incivility is most evident in their intolerance for others (non-whites, non-Christians), whereas Trump's incivility is a crudeness without bounds--he says and does as he pleases. He doesn't respect anyone, he doesn't care who he offends, he just plays people.
Trumps supporters envy his power of entitlement, not just his wealth and swagger, but his ability to attack, belittle and humiliate anyone who crosses him and get away with it. His supporters see civility as 'political correctness', and they admire Trump's crudeness which they now celebrate. America has been moving towards a less civil society and the Republican Party has been leading the way.
Trumps supporters envy his power of entitlement, not just his wealth and swagger, but his ability to attack, belittle and humiliate anyone who crosses him and get away with it. His supporters see civility as 'political correctness', and they admire Trump's crudeness which they now celebrate. America has been moving towards a less civil society and the Republican Party has been leading the way.
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There is little more tedious and pathetic than speculating about another person's sex life. I am sick to death of using a person's sex choices to qualify or disqualify that person from high office. If a person enjoys sex and is having some, mazel tov, but please spare me the details.
Anyone who hasn't yet seen Alex Gibney's excellent documentary, Client 9, which examines the behind-the-scenes shenanigans of those who feared and loathed former Wall Street prosecutor and then-New York Governor Elliot Spitzer, should rent or stream the film. JFK was serially unfaithful in the White House, but he got a pass because exposing his infidelity didn't serve anyone's purpose.
Frank, let's not draw the line at sexual history or discussions of sex. America is about 11-1/2 years old when it comes to the gross reality of the human body. In a more mature culture Trump's discussion of Megyn Kelly's bodily fluids could be confronted without half the viewers mewing, "Eww gross" and the other half angrily shouting, "Serves her right!"
This isn't a junior high school locker room, and our refusal to live without the superstitious egotism that characterizes the human body as a mere shell that houses eternal souls will continue to retard our progress toward any sort of terrestrial serenity. The atheistic, ground-level view is that to survive men must strain to procreate; in order for the next generation not to look like orangutans with comb-overs, women must be choosy.
We should grow up already.
Anyone who hasn't yet seen Alex Gibney's excellent documentary, Client 9, which examines the behind-the-scenes shenanigans of those who feared and loathed former Wall Street prosecutor and then-New York Governor Elliot Spitzer, should rent or stream the film. JFK was serially unfaithful in the White House, but he got a pass because exposing his infidelity didn't serve anyone's purpose.
Frank, let's not draw the line at sexual history or discussions of sex. America is about 11-1/2 years old when it comes to the gross reality of the human body. In a more mature culture Trump's discussion of Megyn Kelly's bodily fluids could be confronted without half the viewers mewing, "Eww gross" and the other half angrily shouting, "Serves her right!"
This isn't a junior high school locker room, and our refusal to live without the superstitious egotism that characterizes the human body as a mere shell that houses eternal souls will continue to retard our progress toward any sort of terrestrial serenity. The atheistic, ground-level view is that to survive men must strain to procreate; in order for the next generation not to look like orangutans with comb-overs, women must be choosy.
We should grow up already.
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perhaps what's missing in this analogy is that no one would believe that trump's misogyny would fly in man, woman or monkey. and yet, here we are, pundits jumping up and down saying: don't you hear the words he's using, man? and, yes, they hear his words, but obviously they don't care. perhaps that's a poor reflection on our society - or the relevance of pundits. but this is a false equivalent because there has been nothing like this before.
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Kennedy and Clinton (both Dems btw) can both compete and probably put Trump to shame in the womanizing department. Don't make it sound like the phenomenon of powerful Type A womanizing men held to a different standard than women starts with Trump. It has always been so. At least Trump has been at it as a private citizen - and he doesn't pretend otherwise. Bill and JFK did this while in public office, and Bill wagged his finger and lied when he was caught with his pants down.
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What I'm getting from this is that if Donald Trump had been of the female gender, we as a society would have never let them live it down nor consider them as a serious candidate. Alright. Fair.
Then what's the answer? Granting a woman candidate the same privilege of being so distasteful, so disrespectful, to their fellow human beings? Have we as a species fallen to the point where we encourage the use of the political realm as a place for disrespectful and disgusting commentary on appearances? Because that's the message this article is sending me.
No offense but it's that thinking that made our system a damn circus in the first place. Rather than allow policy making to degrade further, let's hold ourselves to a higher standard and keep any sexualization or objectification of anyone where it belongs. To ourselves.
Then what's the answer? Granting a woman candidate the same privilege of being so distasteful, so disrespectful, to their fellow human beings? Have we as a species fallen to the point where we encourage the use of the political realm as a place for disrespectful and disgusting commentary on appearances? Because that's the message this article is sending me.
No offense but it's that thinking that made our system a damn circus in the first place. Rather than allow policy making to degrade further, let's hold ourselves to a higher standard and keep any sexualization or objectification of anyone where it belongs. To ourselves.
Mr Bruni-So true what you write. A woman would not last 5 minutes. I cannot figure out Trump"s appeal. Is it that men feel good about having such as he. Is it that some men would like to say things he says about women. Data shows that college educated persons are less happy about Trump and the less educated support him. Is that telling us that we still have a distinct class difference. As a college educated person that makes me feel peculiar and sad. Am I so different from those without a college education. Am I, therefore, better or worse.
Nevertheless, I am in despair and angry that that Trump has divided us so.
Nevertheless, I am in despair and angry that that Trump has divided us so.
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Thank you!
The Trump campaign’s success doesn’t say anything good about our progress toward gender equality, not merely because he gets away with things that a woman never would but because he thrives in spite of overtly sexist language and remarks that routinely objectify women.
The word you were searching for is denigrate not objectify. He doesn't objectify any one, except perhaps his daughter. He denigrates everyone, not just females but anyone who doesn't mirror image him. Apparently, this male is a younger brother who learned at an early age be brash would succeed in his seemingly constant quest for all of the family's attention.
I find it difficult to logically believe that this man named Donald Trump has succeeded in his childish behavior to impact American Politics as hard as he has, but then again I thought the tea party was the current joke of the hour just few years ago. I never expected it to be the invitation to a Donald Trump who has made a better than decent living off of 'screwing' the government loopholes better than any one since.
Perhaps Donald Trump best exemplifys exactly what the signers of Constitution had hope to prevent.
If that is the case now, we are able to see exactly to the less extend how the education system has failed the American version of democracy. This man is a capitalist first and foremost, he games the system. There are some voters who see this man's performance as commendable.
We baby boomers have failed our children.
The Trump campaign’s success doesn’t say anything good about our progress toward gender equality, not merely because he gets away with things that a woman never would but because he thrives in spite of overtly sexist language and remarks that routinely objectify women.
The word you were searching for is denigrate not objectify. He doesn't objectify any one, except perhaps his daughter. He denigrates everyone, not just females but anyone who doesn't mirror image him. Apparently, this male is a younger brother who learned at an early age be brash would succeed in his seemingly constant quest for all of the family's attention.
I find it difficult to logically believe that this man named Donald Trump has succeeded in his childish behavior to impact American Politics as hard as he has, but then again I thought the tea party was the current joke of the hour just few years ago. I never expected it to be the invitation to a Donald Trump who has made a better than decent living off of 'screwing' the government loopholes better than any one since.
Perhaps Donald Trump best exemplifys exactly what the signers of Constitution had hope to prevent.
If that is the case now, we are able to see exactly to the less extend how the education system has failed the American version of democracy. This man is a capitalist first and foremost, he games the system. There are some voters who see this man's performance as commendable.
We baby boomers have failed our children.
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I am so tired of it all being on baby boomers. I for one, feel I have done the best I could in work, civic life and at home. The millennials are angry at us, as displayed by their worship of Bernie Sanders and irrational hatred of Hillary Clinton. As I near retirement, I do not see that baby boomers have carved out special perks for ourselves. Seems like we will just be seniors, merely getting by, just like our parents. America, so sorry that there are so many boomers, isn't our fault.
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That's why I'm voting for Hillary. Women and girls in this country need a role model of a woman being valued on her own merit; a woman who can win the Presidency "dancing backwards in high heels". To elect Trump would be to show the world that indeed we are a nation of uneducated bullies.
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Maybe some of Bernie Sanders's supporters will read this and understand why so many progressive women are irritated by his campaign. Everything that is considered a hallmark of his authenticity--his anger/passion, his rumpled clothes, his messy hair, his broad gesticulations--are completely off-limits for a woman. Maybe it's easier to see or analyze with Trump, because Bruni and many readers don't like him, but the logic holds for Sanders, too. And you could pretty much substitute "black" for "woman" and "white" for "man," and it would hold as well. Imagine if President Obama had been a philanderer, getting oral sex in the Oval Office. No way.
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I don't think that equal opportunity to be crude and crass is what we as a culture should be going for. Crude and crass elevates no one.
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Mr. Bruni, you would have made Rod Serling proud. In many of his episodes of the "Twilight Zone", he often set up a scenario of putting unsavory characters in other people's shoes. He once wrote a script of a racist Southern sheriff who gets in a car crash, and when he regains consciousness he is shocked to be learn he is Black, and is refused admittance to the closest hospital because it is for "Whites Only", a story by the way which was based in truth. The script at the time was too hot a property to handle for the network, so it was shelved. Instead, Serling incorporated a device of using aliens as substitutes to tell his tale.
The Donald as a woman? It has possibilities. Dustin Hoffman's "Tootsie" set the standard. Since Trump has Rudy Giuliani as a confidant, and with his penchant for loving to wear women's clothes, perhaps Trump could dump Melania and when he assumes the presidency, yeah right, Rudy shaves his legs and he becomes a she, Trudy, and she and he can take a walk on the wild side down Pennsylvania Avenue.
DD
Manhattan
The Donald as a woman? It has possibilities. Dustin Hoffman's "Tootsie" set the standard. Since Trump has Rudy Giuliani as a confidant, and with his penchant for loving to wear women's clothes, perhaps Trump could dump Melania and when he assumes the presidency, yeah right, Rudy shaves his legs and he becomes a she, Trudy, and she and he can take a walk on the wild side down Pennsylvania Avenue.
DD
Manhattan
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Another desperate denial of reality. Trump's boorishness is apparent. The question, good sir, is why he will win the Republican nomination. The lack of introspection as to what is the meaning of the message carried by this flawed messenger is symptomatic of the underlying reasons for his success.
Most of those who support Trump do so because (really, all one has to do so is ask them) he gets some important truths. To name three:
1) a nation that does not fully control its borders will cease to exist as a nation;
2) NAFTA, and every other trade agreement since, has sacrificed the American working class in exchange for cheaper foreign goods. This is to the benefit of global multinationals and increases the purchasing power of most NYT readers. It does not help American society; and
3) Language and education have been debased by moral equivalence and the rise of the "Cry Bully" culture.
Most of those who support Trump do so because (really, all one has to do so is ask them) he gets some important truths. To name three:
1) a nation that does not fully control its borders will cease to exist as a nation;
2) NAFTA, and every other trade agreement since, has sacrificed the American working class in exchange for cheaper foreign goods. This is to the benefit of global multinationals and increases the purchasing power of most NYT readers. It does not help American society; and
3) Language and education have been debased by moral equivalence and the rise of the "Cry Bully" culture.
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Trump has brought out the non-gender specific 'slut' culture in America. . .men and women can, in this case, prostitute themselves to what they do not see as debasing behavior. Most people do not think along these lines. They do not want to take action or responsibility for serious issues but respond positively to the 'anti-government' message of Trump. He appeals to most debasing of instincts, a corporate 'mogul' who typifies the very corporatization culture that has rendered his supporters' lives less tenable while bullying and finger-pointing at bogus 'evils.' Let the dog have his day and those who throw him bones. After he has picked them clean, the Republican will have to decide going forward, the only way is up and that is going to be a long climb from this seemingly bottomless pit.
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What a clever way to get the point across about our double standard and thriving sexism in this country by spotlighting how obnoxious and odious Trump's behavior is toward women.
But I would argue that Trump is not nearly the "new phenomenon" he is depicted as. The way for Trump's acceptance as a credible candidate for president--despite his ignorant, blatantly wrong, and offensive statements-- was paved by certain women within the Republican camp.
As the saying goes: Women do the work and pave the way, while men take the credit.
Who paved the way for The Donald's outrageous ideas that make no sense, his toddler-like tendency to blurt out what should not be said in public, and his inclination to insult intelligence and decency? The Republican party starlets Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and Ann Coulter, much adored by the so-called tea party and conservative base. Why? No more dog whistling, lest the low-information base fails to grasp the bigoted message being sent.
Rubio and even the mean-man Cruz have yet to stoop so low. But, The Donald is basically closing the deal to bring in those needed GOP voters in the angry base who see their world taken over by women, nonwhites, and educated, cosmopolitan-type people.
Playing to the worst aspects of humanity fits the far right-wing, backward marching Koch brothers & big donor GOP agenda to drive us away from liberalism & the New Deal--away from the values of the intelligence, civility, humanity. Heckuva job Donald!
But I would argue that Trump is not nearly the "new phenomenon" he is depicted as. The way for Trump's acceptance as a credible candidate for president--despite his ignorant, blatantly wrong, and offensive statements-- was paved by certain women within the Republican camp.
As the saying goes: Women do the work and pave the way, while men take the credit.
Who paved the way for The Donald's outrageous ideas that make no sense, his toddler-like tendency to blurt out what should not be said in public, and his inclination to insult intelligence and decency? The Republican party starlets Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, and Ann Coulter, much adored by the so-called tea party and conservative base. Why? No more dog whistling, lest the low-information base fails to grasp the bigoted message being sent.
Rubio and even the mean-man Cruz have yet to stoop so low. But, The Donald is basically closing the deal to bring in those needed GOP voters in the angry base who see their world taken over by women, nonwhites, and educated, cosmopolitan-type people.
Playing to the worst aspects of humanity fits the far right-wing, backward marching Koch brothers & big donor GOP agenda to drive us away from liberalism & the New Deal--away from the values of the intelligence, civility, humanity. Heckuva job Donald!
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In the land of the free and the home of the brave misogyny has lagged far behind white supremacy as the ultimate denier of humanity and equality. America is a nation mainly built upon Native American conquest along with African enslavement and Jim Crow. Resting on visibly identifiable physical factors of gender and color that challenge the fundamental proclaimed American value of divine equal natural certain unalienable rights. That is the American conundrum.
White women have been by far the greatest beneficiaries of the black inspired and led civil rights era movement. American women have had the right to vote for less than a century. And they have been free from legally sanctioned discrimination in every phase of civil secular life for a little more than 50 years. Women serve in both houses of Congress and on the Supreme Court. There are women governors. Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House. And two women have been selected as nominees as Vice President. But Barack Hussein Obama is President.
The last three First Ladies from Hillary to Laura to Michelle have all had college educations and professional lives. Yet the nations with the most Muslims-Indonesia, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh-have all had or have female heads of state or government. Hillary Clinton is no Margaret Thatcher nor Angela Merkel. Who was Mr. Thatcher? Who is Mr. Merkel?
Hillary and Donald are both rich, old and white from New York reflecting their choice of spouse and father.
White women have been by far the greatest beneficiaries of the black inspired and led civil rights era movement. American women have had the right to vote for less than a century. And they have been free from legally sanctioned discrimination in every phase of civil secular life for a little more than 50 years. Women serve in both houses of Congress and on the Supreme Court. There are women governors. Nancy Pelosi was Speaker of the House. And two women have been selected as nominees as Vice President. But Barack Hussein Obama is President.
The last three First Ladies from Hillary to Laura to Michelle have all had college educations and professional lives. Yet the nations with the most Muslims-Indonesia, Pakistan, India and Bangladesh-have all had or have female heads of state or government. Hillary Clinton is no Margaret Thatcher nor Angela Merkel. Who was Mr. Thatcher? Who is Mr. Merkel?
Hillary and Donald are both rich, old and white from New York reflecting their choice of spouse and father.
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Frank, from the pictures, videos and comments of Trump's female supporters that I've seen on TV and the internet, "rode hard and put up wet" is not an inapt description of a very significant percentage of these women. And Trump would quickly concur, if they were not his fans. The closer it gets to closing time the faster and higher a "one" rises, in bars and in elections. While this phrase can be applied to individuals of either gender, it is not sexist in the case of of men. And it is certainly apropos of the male portion of Trump's Follies, too.
Trump is not particularly handsome. His hairstyle and color don't help, and if he were to do a Caitlyn Challenge he would most certainly go for a style much like Debbie Harry's in her role as the domineering mother in "Hairspray." Help me out here. Did Trump ever take Berkeley Breathed up on his challenge to Trump to prove his (Trump's) mane was not genetically identical to Donald's lhasa apso's?
Donald's female personality would be that of a shrew, and he would have share that with one of his opponents: Ted Cruz.
Trump is not particularly handsome. His hairstyle and color don't help, and if he were to do a Caitlyn Challenge he would most certainly go for a style much like Debbie Harry's in her role as the domineering mother in "Hairspray." Help me out here. Did Trump ever take Berkeley Breathed up on his challenge to Trump to prove his (Trump's) mane was not genetically identical to Donald's lhasa apso's?
Donald's female personality would be that of a shrew, and he would have share that with one of his opponents: Ted Cruz.
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Nothing has changed. Women need to be twice as smart, work twice as hard all while raising a family and looking spectacular. This is why they make such great members of congress, judges, presidents and more. It is no surprise that far more of them go into medicine, law and even to Wall Street rather than into politics.
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I am not a big Trump fan. But I find the vitriol from pundits particularly ridiculous. This Bruni piece takes the cake.
Bruni doesn't get it. The story is not Trump.
The story is the lack of credibility of our political system. Trump is a reflection of what our country has become. He has become credible because all the perceived politicians are so deceitful representing special interest from religious right to a corrupt financial system, getting us into stupid destructive wars(whether they be Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan Lebanon Libya), a financial system run by and for the rich, with each President having their own self centered view of the national need. Where Obamacare, a flawed bureaucratic mess gamed by insurance companies, takes precedence over a real national jobs program to build out the infrastructure of our country. Where Republicans can not compromise with a President who is arrogant.
He starts out with national mandate having a party controlling both Houses to now being hunkered down in a White House unable to lead.
Trump is a silly pompous cartoon figure with an Archie Bunker world view but guess what...he may be our next President...who is at fault?
Bruni doesn't get it. The story is not Trump.
The story is the lack of credibility of our political system. Trump is a reflection of what our country has become. He has become credible because all the perceived politicians are so deceitful representing special interest from religious right to a corrupt financial system, getting us into stupid destructive wars(whether they be Viet Nam, Iraq, Afghanistan Lebanon Libya), a financial system run by and for the rich, with each President having their own self centered view of the national need. Where Obamacare, a flawed bureaucratic mess gamed by insurance companies, takes precedence over a real national jobs program to build out the infrastructure of our country. Where Republicans can not compromise with a President who is arrogant.
He starts out with national mandate having a party controlling both Houses to now being hunkered down in a White House unable to lead.
Trump is a silly pompous cartoon figure with an Archie Bunker world view but guess what...he may be our next President...who is at fault?
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The problem with people who act out of extreme anger is that they are easily manipulated.
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So many words and side trips (Vietnam) none of which refutes the facts of what Trump has said about women. You can't blame politics, the system, etc., for what this adult has said and done.NO ONE is at fault but him. Nice try to shift blame.
If the same gender change applied to Bernie Sanders, and the same double standard about is personal life -- there would be the Mexican divorce from spouse one, the son out of wedlock with a partner to whom s/he was never married, and the next marriage with a honeymoon in the USSR.
I supported Bernie Sanders partially before his followers morphed into people completely indistinguishable from Trump supporters and used many of the same attacks on Hillary Clinton.
It is not uncommon on these comment boards to see Hillary Clinton called a "power hungry grandma", but where is the discussion of Trump (who is older than Clinton) called a "power hungry grandpa"? He has six grandchildren.
If Donald Trump is the GOP candidate and does his usual insult-heavy and bigoted attacks on Hillary Clinton, there are many Republican and other women who will quietly in the polling booth cast their votes for Hillary Clinton.
Misogyny whether it is in policy issues such as support for women's health and for Planned Parenthood or in treating women (and others) with respect is an actual issue.
I supported Bernie Sanders partially before his followers morphed into people completely indistinguishable from Trump supporters and used many of the same attacks on Hillary Clinton.
It is not uncommon on these comment boards to see Hillary Clinton called a "power hungry grandma", but where is the discussion of Trump (who is older than Clinton) called a "power hungry grandpa"? He has six grandchildren.
If Donald Trump is the GOP candidate and does his usual insult-heavy and bigoted attacks on Hillary Clinton, there are many Republican and other women who will quietly in the polling booth cast their votes for Hillary Clinton.
Misogyny whether it is in policy issues such as support for women's health and for Planned Parenthood or in treating women (and others) with respect is an actual issue.
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There is no question that we have double standards in regards a woman's sexuality and sexual proclivities. These double standards apply to even more basic things like attire, hair style and such. The day we will readily accept a 70 year old woman with disheveled hair, no make up and a rumpled skirt as a normal person campaigning will be a major step forward. But I am afraid that that day is still in the distant future.
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Rational analysis is a waste of time. The GOP primary voter is fed up. They've been preyed upon for decades. Taken for granted. They've been trained to fear and to hate, and told that if they elect the GOP's man, their lives will only get better. But their lives haven't gotten any better. And yet they still fear and hate. The Pavlovian response has been well nurtured. Enter Trump. Policy positions have nothing to do with this. Trump has 100% name recognition. He even has Nielson ratings. He's brash and confident. He's "terrific!" To imagine that people who vote for him do so out of anything other than irrational emotion is crazy. There is no policy position. He obviously has no idea how to "Make America Great Again." He's just capitalizing on those Pavlovian responses and his brand's name recognition. If Coke could run for president, it would probably win. No doubt that will be possible soon, seeing as corporations are almost people.
So Mr. Bruni. I appreciate your pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards of Trump. I suggest that you republish this essay in a few months. It will be interesting to watch Trump pivot when running in the general election. Eventually he will have to appeal to the demographic of rational voters.
So Mr. Bruni. I appreciate your pointing out the hypocrisy and double standards of Trump. I suggest that you republish this essay in a few months. It will be interesting to watch Trump pivot when running in the general election. Eventually he will have to appeal to the demographic of rational voters.
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More and more people are coming to understand the clear distinction -- the essential differences between the two parties. The Democrats owe Bernie Sanders a huge debt of gratitude for educating the electorate about the serious problems facing our country. We'd never hear that from the Republican side of the aisle. They're more about protecting and maintaining what has become a suffocating, aristocratic "status quo". The lower and middle class (or what remains of it) are finally waking up to these realities.
Trumps feeble attempts at capturing the essential angst of the vast majority of U.S. citizens is childish by comparison to the Democrats. In 2017, there will be a Democrat occupying the Oval office and, hopefully, we'll also have a Democratic majority in the Senate...The House will take longer due in large part to Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts. And, last, but certainly not least, the Democrats will finally have a ruling majority sitting on our Supreme Court.
Once again, like FDR, the Democrats will come to the rescue to repair the damage caused by Republican myopia and greed.
Trumps feeble attempts at capturing the essential angst of the vast majority of U.S. citizens is childish by comparison to the Democrats. In 2017, there will be a Democrat occupying the Oval office and, hopefully, we'll also have a Democratic majority in the Senate...The House will take longer due in large part to Republican gerrymandering and voter suppression efforts. And, last, but certainly not least, the Democrats will finally have a ruling majority sitting on our Supreme Court.
Once again, like FDR, the Democrats will come to the rescue to repair the damage caused by Republican myopia and greed.
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My biggest fear is that we are too far gone for rescuing. The money is in the hands of a few; manufacturing (Perot was right) and well-paying jobs have left the building; ethics is not a word many Americans understand or could even define anymore; freedom from government intrusion into our private lives is so far in the rear view mirror that people actually want more "protection," and the list goes on. I don't see a vision for the country anymore and I'm basically a glass-half-full type of person...
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Yes Frank, the double standard persists even though it has loosened a bit. And, yes, the double standard is only one aspect of the broader gender bias that also has diminished a bit.
Transforming Donald into a Donna brings misogyny into sharp relief. Unfortunately, that rhetorical device focuses on the absurdity and injustice of misogyny rather than the misogynists and the injuries they inflict.
Transforming Donald into a Donna brings misogyny into sharp relief. Unfortunately, that rhetorical device focuses on the absurdity and injustice of misogyny rather than the misogynists and the injuries they inflict.
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Can someone in the media or polling organizations explain why there is always a question on Hilary's trustworthiness and not the other candidates. This drives me crazy. They announce that more Americans find Clinton untrustworthy than trustworthy, but they never report on the same stat for the other candidates. Than they use the answer that she is upside down on trustworthiness as proof that she has a trust issue. All politicians have trust issues. Can you imagine what the percentages would be for Trump, Cruz etc. The media should not be allowed to shape perceptions in such an unfair way.
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Oh look.
12 others share your desire to eviscerate the First Amendment by not allowing the media to 'shape perceptions in such a way.'
That's not so very different from The Donald's stated desire to repeal (as if) NY Times v Sullivan.
The only cure for speech we find offensive is more and better speech.
12 others share your desire to eviscerate the First Amendment by not allowing the media to 'shape perceptions in such a way.'
That's not so very different from The Donald's stated desire to repeal (as if) NY Times v Sullivan.
The only cure for speech we find offensive is more and better speech.
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I think many people figured out Hillary Clinton was untrustworthy many years ago and her actions keep reinforcing that idea.
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Gender inequality takes several forms, and Frank Bruni reminds us of how the disparate treatment of men and women on the subject of sexual behavior and language plays out on the political stage.
The free pass extended by Republican voters to Donald Trump probably tells us more about ourselves than it does about Trump. We have become – or, at least, Republicans have become – so lacking in sales resistance that an experienced salesman like Donald Trump can persuade us not to notice or object to the blatantly illogical double standard about how men and women are allowed to behave when the subject turns to sex.
If Republican men do not find Trump offensive, there surely must be Republican women who are outraged. Of course, given their meek acceptance of being bullied on matters of controlling reproductive rights, many Republican women will take this latest abuse without complaint.
The general election should prove that Democratic women are not nearly as submissive as their Republican counterparts.
The free pass extended by Republican voters to Donald Trump probably tells us more about ourselves than it does about Trump. We have become – or, at least, Republicans have become – so lacking in sales resistance that an experienced salesman like Donald Trump can persuade us not to notice or object to the blatantly illogical double standard about how men and women are allowed to behave when the subject turns to sex.
If Republican men do not find Trump offensive, there surely must be Republican women who are outraged. Of course, given their meek acceptance of being bullied on matters of controlling reproductive rights, many Republican women will take this latest abuse without complaint.
The general election should prove that Democratic women are not nearly as submissive as their Republican counterparts.
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how about, at least once before the voters go forth to do the nation's business, you and your ilk (no columns on the pejorative potential of "ilk," please, please) examine, say, the possibilities for a one-page tax return, a revision of the k-12 wasteland, a model for a workforce that could be work on the nation's infrastructure decay, (these are available in numerous places, upon request, if the imagination in timesville is overaxted by any excursions away from page six or the common cant of p.c. pamphletry).
in today's case, the scold once more lights on trump, a figure of cartoon proportions, made flesh by press amusement, now grown wearisome as the repetition of the once profitable love-hate tropes loses their novelty, (see today's example for a last-one-to-leave-the-party dreariness)...the punches at trump may be feather-light, but if gender equality is the issue, giving hillary clinton a pass on her equally unappetizing, equally nebulous and, actually, far less authentic/sincere candidacy, does we the people no favors...under no lens does she appear as any anything less than a creature of the special interests who will grant her small favors in return for keeping things as they are for them, including now, if you'd care to look past the flack, billhill themselves.
if there's a point to all this, that somewhere in all the blather is an impulse to clear the cesspool of its slime, rave on, but, from the tone, it seems that the descent is rather to bathe than cleanse.
in today's case, the scold once more lights on trump, a figure of cartoon proportions, made flesh by press amusement, now grown wearisome as the repetition of the once profitable love-hate tropes loses their novelty, (see today's example for a last-one-to-leave-the-party dreariness)...the punches at trump may be feather-light, but if gender equality is the issue, giving hillary clinton a pass on her equally unappetizing, equally nebulous and, actually, far less authentic/sincere candidacy, does we the people no favors...under no lens does she appear as any anything less than a creature of the special interests who will grant her small favors in return for keeping things as they are for them, including now, if you'd care to look past the flack, billhill themselves.
if there's a point to all this, that somewhere in all the blather is an impulse to clear the cesspool of its slime, rave on, but, from the tone, it seems that the descent is rather to bathe than cleanse.
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ecco - what a bunch of blather! To say that these "punches at Trump are feather-
light" completely misses their thrust. Trump is a disgusting phenomenon and to
compare him to Secretary Clinton is beyond the pale. To say she is "equally
unappetizing, nebulous, etc. is so off the mark and inappropriate that I sniff at
your misogyny tact and a slimy frame of mind. Just one of these candidates
is deserving of respect, and it isn't Trump. Your comment is a rambling mess
of words, signifying nothing!
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light" completely misses their thrust. Trump is a disgusting phenomenon and to
compare him to Secretary Clinton is beyond the pale. To say she is "equally
unappetizing, nebulous, etc. is so off the mark and inappropriate that I sniff at
your misogyny tact and a slimy frame of mind. Just one of these candidates
is deserving of respect, and it isn't Trump. Your comment is a rambling mess
of words, signifying nothing!
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well...pk, the punches at trump have hardly done damage so far, rather they have only energized him...like the blood fed to the plant, audrey 2 (a nifty gender gag) in "little shop of horrors"...as for hillary, listen to the pious oil dripping from her "feeling the pain" of mothers whose kids were killed by cops and compare it, back when, to the 100 per cent clear, committed and absolutely authentic voice of her "bring them to heel" social policy.
what's on is a scam, no matter the gender or the hype...no one who threatens the corporate state will be elected to high office as long as we act like consumers instead of citizens.
the bet here is that due diligence in examining the record will reveal more truths, painful tough they may be, than arrant fulmination.
what's on is a scam, no matter the gender or the hype...no one who threatens the corporate state will be elected to high office as long as we act like consumers instead of citizens.
the bet here is that due diligence in examining the record will reveal more truths, painful tough they may be, than arrant fulmination.
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Very clever and funny; but hardly a genuine example of mass misogyny. Trump is an aberration - completely unrepresentative of 99% of male candidates across the nation. "How does he get away with it?" is the most common refrain to Trump's boorish comments on women when it should be obvious that "it's entertainment." And entertainment is not necessarily reality when voiced by a reality entertainer.
Could a women "get away" acting like Trump does? Noo - but neither could males. And that's where Bruni's examples and arguments fall flat. Trump is a special case - male or female - tell me why.
Could a women "get away" acting like Trump does? Noo - but neither could males. And that's where Bruni's examples and arguments fall flat. Trump is a special case - male or female - tell me why.
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I wish that you were right that Trump is a special case. Far from it. He revels in telling it like it is. And so it is in the deepest and darkest souls of far too many American voters. How else explain his success.
True all of the TV news media has become entertainment not information but the problem is far more serious and pervasive. Trump is the logical conclusion of the GOP selling its soul to the Tea Party for power and now the price must be paid.
True all of the TV news media has become entertainment not information but the problem is far more serious and pervasive. Trump is the logical conclusion of the GOP selling its soul to the Tea Party for power and now the price must be paid.
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Shirley, how else to explain Trump's success? How about a dumbing down of American education resulting from the Republican Party's assault on public schools in favor of charter and religious institutions and the attempts to replace science with Christian mythology?
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Your point is a good one, but Bruni's point stands. While you are right that not many men would get away with Trump's behavior, the fact remains that not ONE woman ever would.
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Well said, Mr Bruni. If Hillary faces Trump in the general election, the Donald will either have to change his tactics or his crude style and put down of women won't play well. Even the most ardent republican won't be able to stand his mouth and the insults he will hurl at Mrs. Clinton. I can only hope that he would be trounced thoroughly and the republican party will finally realize that they can blame themselves for allowing this person to represent their party.
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I think the majority of Republicans abhor Trump just as much or more than Democrats do. At least he may be what the Democrats need to win the White House
This is great Frank!
What if we could take the best of what they are offering to advance our civilization, society and culture and have it delivered in a female body.
There's nothing quite like the feminine touch when blended with strong inner structure based on integrity.
Thanks.
What if we could take the best of what they are offering to advance our civilization, society and culture and have it delivered in a female body.
There's nothing quite like the feminine touch when blended with strong inner structure based on integrity.
Thanks.
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We all know the probable outcome of this electoral mess. Hillary will finally pull it out and defeat Trump, only to face a Republican congress who will continue their obstruction of American progress.
The lost opportunity of the brave Senator Sanders will be forgotten and assigned to the Adlai Stevenson dust bin of failed opportunities.
Somehow America always manages to turn away excellence and embrace mediocrity, stealing defeat from the jaws of success!
The lost opportunity of the brave Senator Sanders will be forgotten and assigned to the Adlai Stevenson dust bin of failed opportunities.
Somehow America always manages to turn away excellence and embrace mediocrity, stealing defeat from the jaws of success!
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Trump reminds me seriously of the star of Parks and Recreation Leslie Knope (Amy Poehler). They both: Say whatever they feel, follow their mouth wherever it leads, insult ingenuously, apologize when convenient, never doubt themselves, and stick with their projects whether building a park or a wall. They keep failing spectacularly and winning amazingly.
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He reminds me of the star of South Park, Eric Cartman.
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What strikes me most about this column is that the pervasive injustice convincingly argued here is so little discussed. Can it be that we men are far less aware than we think? That women still have a long, long way to go? Regarding Clinton, I still don't know if I'll vote for her but there's no question in my mind that she is held to a higher standard than any of the males running for president.
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Harry: "What strikes me most about this column is that the pervasive injustice convincingly argued here is so little discussed."
One big reason that the pervasive double-standard is so little discussed is that, the moment one brings it up, one is accused of "playing the gender card," and of being a tiresome feminazi harpy.
One big reason that the pervasive double-standard is so little discussed is that, the moment one brings it up, one is accused of "playing the gender card," and of being a tiresome feminazi harpy.
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She is not held to a higher standard because she has gotten away with so many misdeeds and questionable acts than a man never would have gotten away with. She is definitely held to a lower standard .
The mere fact that this poor excuse for a human is the leading contender for the republican nomination is a damning indictment of the intellegence of the electorate. He is crude, rude, and does not seem too bright.
The problem is he is the least objectionable of all the viable candidates on that side.
The rest of the world is watching in horror. as am I.
The problem is he is the least objectionable of all the viable candidates on that side.
The rest of the world is watching in horror. as am I.
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Wonderful column. How is it that this great injustice passes with little notice in this truly insane election year? Might it be that we men aren't nearly as tuned into the female struggle as we think we are?
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Trump is an embarrassment to himself, his party and his country. The idea that his supporters do not care about their hypocrisy shows just how fed up Americans are with the political system and the lifelong corrupt bureaucrats (politicians) that inhabit it.
Bill Clinton, and I voted for him, was and still is an embarrassment. Hillary Clinton is still Mrs Clinton. He is still very much involved in her campaign especially as it went awry after New Hampshire. I do not see her to be particularly fit to be POTUS as she really lacks basic common sense and does not appear to be much of a manager.
If Hillary requires Bill to be co-POTUS as he is co-campaign head, then how is that fit for duty? If her idea of taking the middle-of-the-night phone call is to walk down the hall and wake Bill, how is that fit? Her supporters just do not get it. Many of us are simply not buying what she and Goldman Sachs, Citibank and JP Morgan are selling.
The entire political process is a joke this year. I wonder if Donald and Bill will end up in some campaign-related affair (they are pretty old and tired so maybe they are past it now) before this is all over. Their supporters will forgive them anything so unless their interest is underage, nothing will change.
I hope this does not end up with half the country sitting out November being totally disgusted by the offerings.
Bill Clinton, and I voted for him, was and still is an embarrassment. Hillary Clinton is still Mrs Clinton. He is still very much involved in her campaign especially as it went awry after New Hampshire. I do not see her to be particularly fit to be POTUS as she really lacks basic common sense and does not appear to be much of a manager.
If Hillary requires Bill to be co-POTUS as he is co-campaign head, then how is that fit for duty? If her idea of taking the middle-of-the-night phone call is to walk down the hall and wake Bill, how is that fit? Her supporters just do not get it. Many of us are simply not buying what she and Goldman Sachs, Citibank and JP Morgan are selling.
The entire political process is a joke this year. I wonder if Donald and Bill will end up in some campaign-related affair (they are pretty old and tired so maybe they are past it now) before this is all over. Their supporters will forgive them anything so unless their interest is underage, nothing will change.
I hope this does not end up with half the country sitting out November being totally disgusted by the offerings.
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Trump "gets away with things that a woman never would but because he thrives in spite of overtly sexist language and remarks that routinely objectify women" ????
Nope, he thrives not In Spite Of but BECAUSE OF his crudeness.
It seems that his followers, thrilled that he dares 'tells it like it is' aren't paying attention to the words, nor the hand language, nor the facial expressions -- only to the exciting noise he's making to emphasize that he differs from the more sophisticated political game-players.
Nope, he thrives not In Spite Of but BECAUSE OF his crudeness.
It seems that his followers, thrilled that he dares 'tells it like it is' aren't paying attention to the words, nor the hand language, nor the facial expressions -- only to the exciting noise he's making to emphasize that he differs from the more sophisticated political game-players.
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No, he gives free rein to our baser instincts----he brings out the worst in us and gives us permission to be our nasty selves without the social brakes of 'political correctness'. He's a sad human being and so are those that cheer him on.
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Or maybe his followers are listening to the words.
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What a fun game!
What if Rubio were a woman? Pundits would say, to weak and feminine to be president.
What if Cruz were a woman? They would say, she crazy ambitious---don't turn your back on her! Uh oh, too late
What if Kasich were a woman? They would say, get some experience and some charisma, and study Cheney more carefully to learn to pass as a reasonable politician in the primary.
What if Carly were a man? They would say, loooooser, no one wants to vote for someone who profits while ruining major businesses.
But no, it is get Trump and pass off Rubio as the annointed reasonable sane guy week to try and nip this democracy thing in the bud before it blooms ( what is that flower W loved?) ahhh, yes, before it blooms into a "Rove" and as alll know, a rove is a rove is a rove by any other name.
What if Rubio were a woman? Pundits would say, to weak and feminine to be president.
What if Cruz were a woman? They would say, she crazy ambitious---don't turn your back on her! Uh oh, too late
What if Kasich were a woman? They would say, get some experience and some charisma, and study Cheney more carefully to learn to pass as a reasonable politician in the primary.
What if Carly were a man? They would say, loooooser, no one wants to vote for someone who profits while ruining major businesses.
But no, it is get Trump and pass off Rubio as the annointed reasonable sane guy week to try and nip this democracy thing in the bud before it blooms ( what is that flower W loved?) ahhh, yes, before it blooms into a "Rove" and as alll know, a rove is a rove is a rove by any other name.
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This comment may have won the Internet today.
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Trump objectifies women to deeply dispiriting levels and doesn't hide it. It's worth highlighting and strenuously rejecting, as Bruni empathetically does here.
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Thank you, thank you, thank you, Mr. Bruni. I have been muttering about the level of misogyny in this primary season among all of the males running for president and many of the males voting for president. The Berniots have egregiously demonized Hillary, using language drenched in sexist language. They don't even realize it, and I find this particularly sad in so-called thoughtful progressives. I'm afraid I was all too aware of the sexism that has become integral to the Republican cant.
I have finally come to the realization that it was easier to elect an African-American man to the presidency than it will be to elect a woman.
I have finally come to the realization that it was easier to elect an African-American man to the presidency than it will be to elect a woman.
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African-American men had voting rights for almost 60 years before women were granted those rights. So why is this so surprising?
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Its a really interesting column. I also think that if Trump was a man of color he could not get away with this. Say he was the founder of BET and he ran for president, he would not get very far with Trump's mouth. And the sexual comments from a black man's mouth! No way.
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Bill Clinton may be seen as "someone who could lend a positive jolt" to HRC's campaign by Hillary herself and the brilliant wizards running her campaign, but I argue confidently that, absent Bill Clinton, Hillary would today be closing out her second term as President with a promising upstart named Obama contending for the mantle of nomination.
Bill is about as much help to Hillary in 2016 as he was in 2008: petulant, entitled, whining and yes, just a little bit hurt that voters could be so stupid as to believe in somebody other than his wife. It is ironic that he believed in countless other people other than his wife, an observation not lost on many Democratic voters this primary season.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
Bill is about as much help to Hillary in 2016 as he was in 2008: petulant, entitled, whining and yes, just a little bit hurt that voters could be so stupid as to believe in somebody other than his wife. It is ironic that he believed in countless other people other than his wife, an observation not lost on many Democratic voters this primary season.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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Hillary will be called "shrill" but there is no gender-matching word for men. The patriarchal language is purposely to denigrate women, not men. We often hear about how a woman looks or what's she's wearing.
At least now Trump and Rubio are making fun of each other's make-up ... however, it's sets the precedent to do so with Clinton should she be the Democratic candidate.
At least now Trump and Rubio are making fun of each other's make-up ... however, it's sets the precedent to do so with Clinton should she be the Democratic candidate.
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Every point you make is true, but just remember Berlusconi of Italy: elected and re-elected.
It didn't end so well for him, but he had a pretty good time in the pilot's seat. Fasten your seat belts.
It didn't end so well for him, but he had a pretty good time in the pilot's seat. Fasten your seat belts.
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I am sickened by the sexism that we see front and center that is so much a part of America. Trump can be thanked for bringing this atrocious and far reaching sexism that is so much a part of and acceptable in American society today. Just one among many reasons I am voting for Hillary. Women, 51% of society have had enough!
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The headline says "IF DONALD TRUMP CHANGED GENDERS". I think the idea here is "IF DONALD TRUMP WERE A WOMAN". I don't think we are to imagine Donald having a sex change operation. The idea is to picture Donald Trump as a woman, born a woman.
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Agreed with most of what you say.
But just to make it unequivocally clear, It's not just about being more forgiving towards women (which we should be); it's also about requiring more of men. Trump is the extreme which illustrates our skewed - I hate to say it - patriarchal values. He wouldn't be bloviating to the degree he does if it didn't work.
But just to make it unequivocally clear, It's not just about being more forgiving towards women (which we should be); it's also about requiring more of men. Trump is the extreme which illustrates our skewed - I hate to say it - patriarchal values. He wouldn't be bloviating to the degree he does if it didn't work.
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Patriarchal values are evil--check out almost all of the world's religions. And the Catholic Church, along with Islam, is the biggest offender. I do think women are going to have to pick up real weapons and start fighting.
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The gender gap involves a lot more than sexual innuendo. Trump is the male version of a total 'ditz 'when it comes to coherent discussion. He's all over the place, indulging in random associative responses, rarely making much of an effort to connect the dots. Any woman who entered the political arena with such vague and thoughtless remarks would never make it to a second date with the electorate. It is impossible to imagine a woman getting away with the stuff Donald has been selling us for months. With the exception of Sara Palin, a female candidate, to be taken seriously, has to demonstrate a solid command of the facts, speak in good English sentences, and convey an aura of gravitas. Flippancy is not an option. Men in this society have a lot more leeway when it comes to excesses of this kind. There's no verbal equivalent for the male version of a 'dumb blonde' but we have one running for President.
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Himbo comes to mind.
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Trump's behavior is unacceptable in a PERSON aspiring to leadership, irrespective of gender. The game Mr. Bruni proposes - imagine if he were a woman - doesn't resonate with me, because I already reject him on all the grounds Bruni cites.
This column would make sense if its subject was Bill Clinton or John Kennedy - sexual libertines who were nevertheless embraced by many decent people, and might not have been had they been female. But decent people already refuse to embrace Trump.
This column would make sense if its subject was Bill Clinton or John Kennedy - sexual libertines who were nevertheless embraced by many decent people, and might not have been had they been female. But decent people already refuse to embrace Trump.
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The author could have penned an article in 2008 titled, "If Barack Obama Changed Races". If he did the reaction would be quick and harsh, likely leading to his forced resignation or termination. Of course in either case, the author would have a hardly inarguable point: race, gender, sexual preference, etc all create incoherent and illogical 'double standards'. While this is a point well worth making it is hardly a novel point and sometimes pointing out the converse of the point, leads to uncomfortable (and therefore suppressed) politically incorrect truths; e.g. Obama would never be elected as either Harvard law review president, Illinois legislator, Illinois Senator or President of the U.S. if he did not have a black father. Far from handicapping his political ambitions, being a 'well spoken' multi-racial candidate (to quote Harry Reid) was a positive asset that allowed his political team to launch and market his brand in the most successful advertising campaign of 2008 (look it up they won the award). Obama is beloved the world over less for his policies and more for his skin tone. These are uncomfortable truths, but no less true than the fact that if Trump were female, he wouldn't be registering in the polls. Stereotypes and their socially constructed political force - whether positive or negative - are alive and well in America.
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I think Obama is admired around the world because he is a very decent man in all respects; the only other president in my lifetime with a similar effect on people is Jimmy Carter--for the same reasons. Decency, morality, and honor are recognizable traits.
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@Kali,
Can you tell me where you got your info that Obama's skin color is worth more than his policies and character around the world?
2-28-16@3:43 am
Can you tell me where you got your info that Obama's skin color is worth more than his policies and character around the world?
2-28-16@3:43 am
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To paraphrase John Oliver, why is this (Donald Trump) still a thing?
This amazing boor and buffoon continues to attract the most idiotic voters amongst us, for reasons that I can't, for the life of me, understand.
BTW, did anyone else notice during his last Republican debate, that his facial expression (mostly with eyes closed) was a pursed downward mouth.
Psychiatrists claim that the downward pursed mouth is a sign of depression.
Or is it the expression of a schoolyard bully?
This amazing boor and buffoon continues to attract the most idiotic voters amongst us, for reasons that I can't, for the life of me, understand.
BTW, did anyone else notice during his last Republican debate, that his facial expression (mostly with eyes closed) was a pursed downward mouth.
Psychiatrists claim that the downward pursed mouth is a sign of depression.
Or is it the expression of a schoolyard bully?
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@Judith,
I saw less than 20 min. I just couldn't stand more. It was a freak show. But, what you're talking about is hard to miss. It's like his trying to evoke a contorted Winston Churchill or something, except imperfect though Churchill was, Trump ain't Churchill.
There's something WRONG with him. Marco not-so-pretty Rubio gives me hives, but Trump mocking him with the water bottle, though not part of the debate, is one of the most childish things I've ever seen. I wonder if the term exhibitionist applies to him?
2-28-16@3:53 am
I saw less than 20 min. I just couldn't stand more. It was a freak show. But, what you're talking about is hard to miss. It's like his trying to evoke a contorted Winston Churchill or something, except imperfect though Churchill was, Trump ain't Churchill.
There's something WRONG with him. Marco not-so-pretty Rubio gives me hives, but Trump mocking him with the water bottle, though not part of the debate, is one of the most childish things I've ever seen. I wonder if the term exhibitionist applies to him?
2-28-16@3:53 am
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This sort of thoughtful analysis is going to put Clinton in the White House! Really makes you think!
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Sorry Mr. Bruni, I don't think this is funny or clever. Donald Trump has brought the underbelly of American society out into the open and it stopped being funny a long long time ago. I think there are very few people who are on the fence with their position on him as of today. If you love him you're not going to stop no matter what he says or does. For those of us that are sane and have a modicum of intelligence, he's utterly grotesque. The same goes for Rubio and Cruz (aka Pazuzu). I don't know if The Times requires all it's contributing editors to focus exclusively on these men but I am DONE - tired of reading and hearing about them and surely not laughing about them anymore. I want to forget them if possible but you and The Times won't permit that. That's why I'm going to IGNORE your editorials until you get back to writing about something that will enlighten me in some way (although I doubt, from recent writings from you and your colleagues, whether that's possible).
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"Donna" Trump actually sounds a good bit like Catherine the Great of Russia . . .
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Marie Antoinette "got around" in her day as well!
I think it would help, her.
The trumpisms are already so outrageous, so extreme that the out-thereness is their only merit. If coming from the mouth of a women would push them even further from good taste, then so much the better in terms of voter appeal. For we stand at the abyss into which is falling all that was held good to be America. And if America is then great again it will only be by redefining greatness in the image her most base, all virtue lost, all grace destroyed - and they may cheer , and pass out the beer, democracy a failed experiment ( who imagined the people would be so thoughtless and care so little).
The trumpisms are already so outrageous, so extreme that the out-thereness is their only merit. If coming from the mouth of a women would push them even further from good taste, then so much the better in terms of voter appeal. For we stand at the abyss into which is falling all that was held good to be America. And if America is then great again it will only be by redefining greatness in the image her most base, all virtue lost, all grace destroyed - and they may cheer , and pass out the beer, democracy a failed experiment ( who imagined the people would be so thoughtless and care so little).
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...And who would have thought that we could be so tired of sanctimony from our political leaders?
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Trump and Leona Hemsley are cut out of the same cloth.
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Thank you, Bruni. This has been for years my main point when talking about Hillary Clinton. Her every action and every word have and are still being weighed on a completely different scale than the one cradling her male counterparts. And people still ponder whether or not she is likable, trustworthy or progressive. While Mr. Trump sure provides for entertainment (to me, not even that), this bias needs to end. This year we have the opportunity to put a genius mind, with its own share of flaws (sure), in the White House, as well as a disorderly, corrupt, abusive and self-engrossed mind. Can’t we just hand it to her as an apology to womankind and save all this election money? She won’t even need to make new copies of the house keys, I bet she carries them still.
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@Javantonio,
Nope. To answer your rhetorical question, she's gonna have to go through the process. If I were to give it to a female candidate as an apology to my fellow women, I'd give it posthumously to the first women who ran for president, Victoria Woodhull. I think the Equal Rights Party nominated Frederick Douglass as her prospective VP.
Let's see that anticipates Women's History Month in March and covers Black History Month, both for 2016. Not bad at all.
2-28-16@4:10 am
Nope. To answer your rhetorical question, she's gonna have to go through the process. If I were to give it to a female candidate as an apology to my fellow women, I'd give it posthumously to the first women who ran for president, Victoria Woodhull. I think the Equal Rights Party nominated Frederick Douglass as her prospective VP.
Let's see that anticipates Women's History Month in March and covers Black History Month, both for 2016. Not bad at all.
2-28-16@4:10 am
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Agree!
I felt Mr. Bruni was bottom feeding (digging into Howard Stern's archives) to find fodder for his Sunday column. Let's change genders or race or religion is a cheap trick used when essayists can't find noteworthy & original things to say about their subjects. Hey, what if Hillary Clinton were Chinese? What if Anthony Wiener were a woman? What if Scalia had been Jewish? And on & on...This what-if game is counter factual, too, and thus error prone. Almost every family I know has an Uncle Donald in the family tree, slightly sexist, blue-tongued & proudly masculine but still a good father & husband, brother & uncle and, most of, American.
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IT'S ABOUT DARN TIME SOMEONE SAID THIS......
I have been on a slow burn for a long time about the way Hillary Clinton has been treated relative to that overgrown, ignorant, hateful narcissist Donald Trump.
I completely appreciate this essay and hope it's widely shared.
I have been on a slow burn for a long time about the way Hillary Clinton has been treated relative to that overgrown, ignorant, hateful narcissist Donald Trump.
I completely appreciate this essay and hope it's widely shared.
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Thank you for reminding us that Don Trump is the best thing that could have ever happened to Hillary Clinton and the Democrats nation-wide. I hope he wins the Republican nomination . . . and leads the Republican Party to its worst showing since Alf Landon in 1936. The Democrats will take over both houses of Congress and build on the successes of the Obama administration. I can't believe the Republicans haven't united against him and I hope they don't figure it out until it's too late - Mitch McConnell and the right-wing obstructionists richly deserve this result. If fact, they should hang their heads in shame. The plutocrats who run the Republican Party like their private policy toy have unleashed the ignorant, angry white people (their very own underpaid service employees) and now they get to reap what they sowed. Don Trump is a dishonest bigot; he is a liar, a misogynist and utterly disqualified to handle the responsibility of the American presidency, and he will receive the same 35% of the vote that he is gathering right now. The real question is whether Chris Christie wants to go down with him as his vice presidential candidate, forever tarred as the darling of the chumps. And of course the more interesting question: who will President Clinton nominate for the vacant seat on the Supreme Court - I hope it's the reincarnation of William O. Douglas!
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If I were a Woman, I would rather vote for Trump then vote for Rubio or Cruz. At least Mr Trump is not in the business of controlling women bodies. A misogynist insult by Trump is something women are used too. But imagine the consequences of losing their right to an abortion in any circumstances as advocated by Mr Rubio?
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He is just SO ugly, inside and out. "Donna" Trump would get NOWHERE if she were physically as unattractive as her male counterpart. As a faithful Christian, the only thing I can do is pray to God that he calls Donald Trump to a vocation other than the presidency, or, for that matter, even the republican nomination.
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There's plenty to dislike in Trump. But let's worry about it AFTER Cruz and Rubio are vanquished.
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Bruni's pointing out something that ought to be obvious yet is not even recognized by most. Good work.
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There has been gender imbalance in the world since time began. Either it was designed that way or it just occurs naturally, not just in advanced civilizations like ours but even in the more primitive. How many Native Americans Chiefnesses have you heard of?
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@Aaron Adams,
I'll be the first to agree that gender imbalance is still a big problem but perhaps you might have considered another way to illustrate your point. How many Native American women Chiefs? How about the late Wilma Mankiller, chief of the Cherokees and a good longtime friend of Gloria Steinem's? She's not the only woman to have been Chief of a tribe. I read about Mankiller in Steinem's latest book but all you've got to do is look it up. And I'm sure you're not implying that Native Americans are primitive, right?
2-28-16@4:25 am
I'll be the first to agree that gender imbalance is still a big problem but perhaps you might have considered another way to illustrate your point. How many Native American women Chiefs? How about the late Wilma Mankiller, chief of the Cherokees and a good longtime friend of Gloria Steinem's? She's not the only woman to have been Chief of a tribe. I read about Mankiller in Steinem's latest book but all you've got to do is look it up. And I'm sure you're not implying that Native Americans are primitive, right?
2-28-16@4:25 am
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Step outside of the United States and you will find many matrilineal cultures.
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Thank you, Frank.
Imagine, however, if Frank were Fran. I shudder to think of the threats she would receive for doing nothing more than acknowledging this inescapable truth. Hillary Haters, I'm looking at you.
Imagine, however, if Frank were Fran. I shudder to think of the threats she would receive for doing nothing more than acknowledging this inescapable truth. Hillary Haters, I'm looking at you.
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Donna Trump would never run for president. She'd be too disgusted by the thought of herself using the bathroom to ever leave the house.
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Amazing to see two bully joining the force to manipulate the electorate. One would wonder how this can happen in the greatest nation in the world?. Well, the answer is simple. The Grand No Party created the atmosphere of division and fear mongering among us for the sake of getting elected. Over the past eight years, they did not pass a single law to help the people. Rather they were busy in serving the fat cats bankrolling the party. And the intellect and quality of elected officials are much worst than many third world countries. The mantra is to do everything to destroy anything to protect the people while passing or diluting every law to fatten the wallets of the fat cats. The money machine created the environment of anger and fear among their supporters. Alas, the country is faced with so many challenges which require attention by the legislators. Of course, they closed their eyes.
Well- the Grand No Party deserves what they created and they have to swallow the poison pill. Nothing they can do to prevent getting Trump as their nominee.
Well- the Grand No Party deserves what they created and they have to swallow the poison pill. Nothing they can do to prevent getting Trump as their nominee.
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Regardless of gender, Trump should be confined to Howard Stern's radio show or other such shows, only available by subscription. That way, those who want to listen to Trump can do so at no cost to the rest of us. He certainly shouldn't be a candidate for a local elected office, leave alone for national office.
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Frank’s argument might have been made circa 1962, along with the charm of bouffant hairdos some “do wops”. While it’s true that successful political women with mouths like Barbara Boxer are few and far between, so are men like Trump who despite their mouths and sexist attitudes have the presence to thrive in a political atmosphere – and the timing to be on stage at the right time for an entertaining protest candidate, while at any other time he would have been laughed off the stage.
But a ton has changed since Jackie Kennedy dos and views of women as hothouse flowers who wouldn’t dream of firing off a public expletive. These days, male CEOs are pretty professional in boardrooms, just as their female counterparts are (over 5% of Fortune 1000 CEOs are now female, and there are a ton of female C-suite officers right behind them awaiting promotions – a long time coming, perhaps, but it’s starting to come fast).
I’m afraid Frank’s argument just isn’t very compelling. Trump is unique: we haven’t had a serious presidential contender as politically incorrect and outrageous as he since Pat Paulsen; and Pat was doing it for the yuks (I think). And that uniqueness has nothing to do with gender. If Carly had his personality and mouth, she’d still be a contender.
But that estimate of 54-35 support for Hillary over Trump among women before Trump has even TRIED to steam-roll her is frightening: it’s close enough that Trump is quite capable of reversing it with some effort.
But a ton has changed since Jackie Kennedy dos and views of women as hothouse flowers who wouldn’t dream of firing off a public expletive. These days, male CEOs are pretty professional in boardrooms, just as their female counterparts are (over 5% of Fortune 1000 CEOs are now female, and there are a ton of female C-suite officers right behind them awaiting promotions – a long time coming, perhaps, but it’s starting to come fast).
I’m afraid Frank’s argument just isn’t very compelling. Trump is unique: we haven’t had a serious presidential contender as politically incorrect and outrageous as he since Pat Paulsen; and Pat was doing it for the yuks (I think). And that uniqueness has nothing to do with gender. If Carly had his personality and mouth, she’d still be a contender.
But that estimate of 54-35 support for Hillary over Trump among women before Trump has even TRIED to steam-roll her is frightening: it’s close enough that Trump is quite capable of reversing it with some effort.
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This is the most salient of the replies I have read. Trump is a sort of divine judgment on the last half century and his targets have been ecumenical. The reason he gets away with things is precisely because he is who he is. If your project was to subvert the entire GOP and provoke the world to see itself warts and all what could you come up with that would be better?
Somehow, I doubt that the women supporting Sanders will vote for Trump. For male Sanders supporters-well that's a different story
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What is also frightening about Trump is that on this morning's CNN's "State of the Union" he refused to disavow the support of David Duke and the KKK. He implied he wanted to "study what the group was about." This was in front of a national audience. The direction of the steam-roller might be reversed when things move out of the primaries.
Somehow, Mr. Bruni, I am saying you for the "cross-over". In this weird time of election insanity, thanks to the Grand Obstruction Party, the unholy trinity of Trump, Cruz, and Rubeo...to the exclusion of the "other Two", the cynicism and sarcasm are welcome to me with some lucid levity. Having lived (79 years) through some "normal" years, I hope Donna trump fizzles and shrinks as her Vacuous Vanity deserves.
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How about that mafia wife whose funeral upon a death too young had thousands of mourners in attendance. That is what it takes for a woman even to be that popular. This whole comparison is silly.
I am curious whether or not Frank Bruni really believes that Ted Cruz or Marco Rubio would be better for the country. It's easy to trash what Trump says-- he spews garbage whenever he opens his mouth, after all-- but it's a lot harder to make the case that he would be as bad as, much less worse, than either of those two on this or any number of other subjects conscientious women and men care about.
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Donna Trump...Mae West without the brains or allure.
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What is annoying is that NYT doesn't even realize how desperate it sounds anymore when it attacks anything that is not liberal anymore.
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"I’m not arguing for greater chastity in men." I would, in a heartbeat. Think of all the social ills that would be cured if our culture went in that direction, all the taxpayer money saved, and all the heartache averted.
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Agreed, Frank. Donna's would be a short-lived vanity campaign, soon relegated to a punchline.
But closer to home, imagine if the candidacy of Barack Obama had approximated the real one of the real Trump. By a tenth. The name-calling, the hyper-sexuality, the smugness, the disparaging of entire groups of people, the revisionist history, the untenable promises, the gunlust, the moneylust, the profanity, the lasciviousness, the fight-picking, the fake piety, the dictatorial plans, the media showdowns...
Let's just say 2008 would have worked out very differently, and people of color nationwide would have been asked to explain how they could have ever gotten behind such a character.
But closer to home, imagine if the candidacy of Barack Obama had approximated the real one of the real Trump. By a tenth. The name-calling, the hyper-sexuality, the smugness, the disparaging of entire groups of people, the revisionist history, the untenable promises, the gunlust, the moneylust, the profanity, the lasciviousness, the fight-picking, the fake piety, the dictatorial plans, the media showdowns...
Let's just say 2008 would have worked out very differently, and people of color nationwide would have been asked to explain how they could have ever gotten behind such a character.
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@NM,
But it didn't happen that way, so ....
2-28-16@4:31 am
But it didn't happen that way, so ....
2-28-16@4:31 am
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You're starting to recognize the inherent sexism in the GOP but you can do much more to bring out the racism and homophobia intrinsic to virtually all but a few who have remained silent over the past eight years even though most realize the extremism caused by the Tea Party.
The Republican Party line is making it possible for the rise of such awful candidates like Trump, Cruz and Rubio creating anger and fear against a very good president.
The Republican Party line is making it possible for the rise of such awful candidates like Trump, Cruz and Rubio creating anger and fear against a very good president.
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And Ben Wiseman, nice capture.
Imagine if Mrs. Clinton's gender were reversed:
-- "He" never would have been considered qualified to succeed Daniel Patrick Moynihan in the United States Senate from a state in which "He" never lived or even went to school.
-- "He" never would have been considered for secretary of state.
-- "He" never would have been considered presidential material.
Riding coattails plus possessing an overweening sense of entitlement can work wonders.
-- "He" never would have been considered qualified to succeed Daniel Patrick Moynihan in the United States Senate from a state in which "He" never lived or even went to school.
-- "He" never would have been considered for secretary of state.
-- "He" never would have been considered presidential material.
Riding coattails plus possessing an overweening sense of entitlement can work wonders.
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President Donald Trump is the likely outcome if Clinton is the candidate.
Her past transgressions will catch up to her.
Her past transgressions will catch up to her.
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Don't be too sure. She's got Morgan Freeman and beautiful music on her commercials. We are suckers for both. Just like the last two elections, we will hold our noses and vote for whomever hides their weaknesses best.
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I have never seen a better statement of the stark difference between the treatment of men and women in politics and in the sexual arena. Women continue to be relentlessly punished for their sexuality, as well as any perceived lack thereof.
The gender-based difference in treatment Mr. Bruni has highlighted wreaks just as much havoc in politics. Some would argue the harm is even greater because it affects more people - potentially, an entire nation.
It all comes down to power, and anyone who thinks men don't still have the upper hand has just not been paying attention. In too many countries, that power is exercised by brute force and ratified by the law and cultural mores.
In the US, it's more subtle. Sexual references and putdowns have been and remain a very powerful means of marginalizing and denigrating women, while aggrandizing men. Mr. Bruni has made that very clear. Thank you, Frank.
The gender-based difference in treatment Mr. Bruni has highlighted wreaks just as much havoc in politics. Some would argue the harm is even greater because it affects more people - potentially, an entire nation.
It all comes down to power, and anyone who thinks men don't still have the upper hand has just not been paying attention. In too many countries, that power is exercised by brute force and ratified by the law and cultural mores.
In the US, it's more subtle. Sexual references and putdowns have been and remain a very powerful means of marginalizing and denigrating women, while aggrandizing men. Mr. Bruni has made that very clear. Thank you, Frank.
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I'd like to see the many estimable women dissed by Trump give their own honest and brutal assessment of Trump's attractiveness.
On the other hand, their revulsion for the stubby fingered oompa-loompa would likely be met with a shrug from the public, while his adolescent ruminations are met with a snicker. That's just further proof of the central problem Frank is pointing out.
Nevertheless, Hillary does have a weapon at her disposal. Not only do strong women bring out the ugliness of his cowardice -- making a debate between Clinton and Trump a match worth seeing. I would encourage her to have Chelsea sit in the front row at the debate and nurse Hillary's new grandchild, just to see Trump dry-heave.
That would be priceless.
On the other hand, their revulsion for the stubby fingered oompa-loompa would likely be met with a shrug from the public, while his adolescent ruminations are met with a snicker. That's just further proof of the central problem Frank is pointing out.
Nevertheless, Hillary does have a weapon at her disposal. Not only do strong women bring out the ugliness of his cowardice -- making a debate between Clinton and Trump a match worth seeing. I would encourage her to have Chelsea sit in the front row at the debate and nurse Hillary's new grandchild, just to see Trump dry-heave.
That would be priceless.
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Thanks, Mr. Bruni.
Only women will "get" this instinctively; men either will never get it... or only after asking their wife/girlfriend/sister/mother... who will explain it to them patiently.
As they have already been doing for decades.
Only women will "get" this instinctively; men either will never get it... or only after asking their wife/girlfriend/sister/mother... who will explain it to them patiently.
As they have already been doing for decades.
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This piece is silly and emblematic of the flat-footed intellectual posture of "liberals"... We have pro wrestling, the Superbowl, UFC, KFC, Who Wants to Marry a Millionaire, and, as someone pointed out to me recently, advertisements during the Superbowl for a product promising relief from opiate-caused constipation...
Trump is America, right back at us. The Donna, if she had The Donald's strangely fascinating brew of megalomania, aggression and filterless-ness, would be every bit as popular as the man himself, and the cathartic experience of her fans would as much a national phenomena as his is.
Trump is America, right back at us. The Donna, if she had The Donald's strangely fascinating brew of megalomania, aggression and filterless-ness, would be every bit as popular as the man himself, and the cathartic experience of her fans would as much a national phenomena as his is.
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Trump is a bully, hence, a coward in disguise. His need to brag about this and that, is another sign of insecurity and "machismo" typical of an immature male in search of redemption. Poor rich kid, so close to an empty suit, so far from filling it. Too much ego, not enough substance to escape it...and allow reason to show up when needed. And now, two pupils imitating his bluster, in a vain attempt to share vainglory, and to find relevancy. Insofar sexual braggadocio is concerned, not to worry, 'dog that barks doesn't bite' may be applicable; a real man does not brag. Trump as president would be a huge liability. Still, if in spite of all the negatives he succeed, we may deserve him.
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From what are - here Mr. Bruni and the establishment in general - trying oh so desperately save us from when with increased desperation it is all-out "stop and destroy Trump" campaign in overdrive?
The fact that his reality show experience seems to totally defeat "established" politicians including the one member of a dynasty with $130 mill election campaign money the ruling class naively in its incompetence bet on him ... is the main news.
It scares those who put the above-mentioned money on Bush & Co. expecting that the masses will, yet again, buy and go along with the standard campaign "debate and examination" of (pseudo) issues.
Citizens and voters are frustrated as never before, on both the Democratic (Sanders) and Republican (Trump) sides.
Like in Europe, where the majority of citizens, witnessing that the ruling class and the system serving - above all - its interests is "unable", actually unwilling to do anything remotely effective to protect the borders and safety and even security from terrorism-linked invasion of illegals, in despair turns to "populists", our own ruling class overplayed its hand (and their arrogant bets on Bush and Clinton are proof of that) and has one emergency session after another to derail Trump.
The fact that his reality show experience seems to totally defeat "established" politicians including the one member of a dynasty with $130 mill election campaign money the ruling class naively in its incompetence bet on him ... is the main news.
It scares those who put the above-mentioned money on Bush & Co. expecting that the masses will, yet again, buy and go along with the standard campaign "debate and examination" of (pseudo) issues.
Citizens and voters are frustrated as never before, on both the Democratic (Sanders) and Republican (Trump) sides.
Like in Europe, where the majority of citizens, witnessing that the ruling class and the system serving - above all - its interests is "unable", actually unwilling to do anything remotely effective to protect the borders and safety and even security from terrorism-linked invasion of illegals, in despair turns to "populists", our own ruling class overplayed its hand (and their arrogant bets on Bush and Clinton are proof of that) and has one emergency session after another to derail Trump.
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Dear DiGfAE:
I believe there are far more Americans who are not as frustrated and angry as you. I agree with President Obama. He said The Donald wouldn't become president because there are still enough people out there with common sense. Guess he was referring to Yours Truly.
As for Senator Sanders, who suffered an overwhelming loss tonight, a precursor to the Southern swing primaries, Dems have always contained a Far Left contingent who are never satisfied with the mainstream. Many friends of mine are always grousing about one thing or another. Since we live in New York we enjoy the luxury and little consequence to our harrumphing and grumpy attitudes. Except for '72 and '84 we remain true Blue. This convenience allows my colleagues to vote for someone who stands a snowball's chance in Hades of winning, you know, the Ralph Nader types, Green Party enthusiasts, who tell me they're voting for Senator Sanders, and if he loses, then they'll switch to Jill Stein because they "don't trust" Hillary. Mind you, these are liberal, highly educated (I love the highly educated) so-called sophisticated folks who one would think would be the last spouting FOX "News" talking points.
After the debacle this year, Republicans will probably be instituting super delegates into the mix in 2020, a lesson Dems learned in '72 with McGovern. Anyone who has a smidgen of interest in politics should take heed. What one needs is great tolerance for ambiguity.
DD
Manhattan
I believe there are far more Americans who are not as frustrated and angry as you. I agree with President Obama. He said The Donald wouldn't become president because there are still enough people out there with common sense. Guess he was referring to Yours Truly.
As for Senator Sanders, who suffered an overwhelming loss tonight, a precursor to the Southern swing primaries, Dems have always contained a Far Left contingent who are never satisfied with the mainstream. Many friends of mine are always grousing about one thing or another. Since we live in New York we enjoy the luxury and little consequence to our harrumphing and grumpy attitudes. Except for '72 and '84 we remain true Blue. This convenience allows my colleagues to vote for someone who stands a snowball's chance in Hades of winning, you know, the Ralph Nader types, Green Party enthusiasts, who tell me they're voting for Senator Sanders, and if he loses, then they'll switch to Jill Stein because they "don't trust" Hillary. Mind you, these are liberal, highly educated (I love the highly educated) so-called sophisticated folks who one would think would be the last spouting FOX "News" talking points.
After the debacle this year, Republicans will probably be instituting super delegates into the mix in 2020, a lesson Dems learned in '72 with McGovern. Anyone who has a smidgen of interest in politics should take heed. What one needs is great tolerance for ambiguity.
DD
Manhattan
The truly scary and offensive demonstration of Trump's popularity is the many seemingly adult Americans who are lapping this up, and are backing him to the hilt (at least so far).
His sexist, racist, bullying, xenophobic, fear-driven, fascist "Let's Make America White Again" dark cartoon of a presidential campaign has opened the closet doors for the millions who have thought or felt like this, but now have a legitimatized outlet for their feelings.
We will have to deal with the real consequences of their having gotten permission and blessings to speak and act out those feelings for years to come.
His sexist, racist, bullying, xenophobic, fear-driven, fascist "Let's Make America White Again" dark cartoon of a presidential campaign has opened the closet doors for the millions who have thought or felt like this, but now have a legitimatized outlet for their feelings.
We will have to deal with the real consequences of their having gotten permission and blessings to speak and act out those feelings for years to come.
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The double standards are real, but most critics who imagine undoing them only go part of the way, selectively choosing some double standards to vilify, while subtly shoring up the ones they find advantageous.
Imagine, for example, if white women were blamed for slavery the same way white men are.
Or if social and verbal abuse were taken as seriously as physical abuse.
Or if male victims of police brutality were viewed as sympathetically as female victims.
And so on. It would be a very different world.
Imagine, for example, if white women were blamed for slavery the same way white men are.
Or if social and verbal abuse were taken as seriously as physical abuse.
Or if male victims of police brutality were viewed as sympathetically as female victims.
And so on. It would be a very different world.
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I almost didn't read this Frank. I rolled my eyes and sighed oh another trump article. But man – or should I say woman – I'm glad I did.
It's amazing when you turn the tables on so many issues from sexual behavior to marriages to language to swearing to infidelities that so many different standards apply.
No wonder women can't get equal pay for equal work. I know that might sound like sour grapes or totally extraneous to the column Frank has written, but it's really germane to the topic. When people are judged by a different standard from white males – who are the standard – it's clear they are also deemed to be just a little bit different maybe even just a little bit inferior or maybe just a little bit unworthy to get the same pay as a white male.
So yes Donald Trump would not get nearly as far as Hillary has already gotten. But there's another big difference.The Donna gets to decide if he is going if she's going to swear in public, where is Hillary has a chance
It's amazing when you turn the tables on so many issues from sexual behavior to marriages to language to swearing to infidelities that so many different standards apply.
No wonder women can't get equal pay for equal work. I know that might sound like sour grapes or totally extraneous to the column Frank has written, but it's really germane to the topic. When people are judged by a different standard from white males – who are the standard – it's clear they are also deemed to be just a little bit different maybe even just a little bit inferior or maybe just a little bit unworthy to get the same pay as a white male.
So yes Donald Trump would not get nearly as far as Hillary has already gotten. But there's another big difference.The Donna gets to decide if he is going if she's going to swear in public, where is Hillary has a chance
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Terrible editing, last para should read:
"So yes, Donna Trump would not have gotten as far as Hillary.but there is another big difference. The Donna ( and the Donald) can decide whether or not to swear:,when, how much. Hillary, in contrast, has zero choice if she wants to be elected."
"So yes, Donna Trump would not have gotten as far as Hillary.but there is another big difference. The Donna ( and the Donald) can decide whether or not to swear:,when, how much. Hillary, in contrast, has zero choice if she wants to be elected."
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What a wonderful thought-provoking essay!
Poor Hillary, stuck with hair and makeup, while Bernie can mostly just be himself. It's part of why people think she's artificial.
But back to Trump, what a disgusting guy he is, ugly inside and out. Why people want so badly to believe his con is beyond me, but they do.
Making American Small and Mean, Making America Safe for Billionaires ...
Poor Hillary, stuck with hair and makeup, while Bernie can mostly just be himself. It's part of why people think she's artificial.
But back to Trump, what a disgusting guy he is, ugly inside and out. Why people want so badly to believe his con is beyond me, but they do.
Making American Small and Mean, Making America Safe for Billionaires ...
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Good for you, Susan, as usual a sensible reaction. Thanks.
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"The moral judgments — in particular the sexual ones — that we make about men and women are utterly and unjustly dissimilar. This primary season, and the back stories swirling around it, have illustrated that anew."
This is true but I don't understand why Mr. Bruni assumes that female moral judgments are by virtue of femaleness better. What we have in this country and culture is a pattern in which most of the most powerful people are men, and those men are corrupted. However, everything I've seen indicates that given vast power, most women become just as corrupt as men under the same conditions. Carla F. the Republican primary candidate was known for her huge ego and lack of compassion.
This is true but I don't understand why Mr. Bruni assumes that female moral judgments are by virtue of femaleness better. What we have in this country and culture is a pattern in which most of the most powerful people are men, and those men are corrupted. However, everything I've seen indicates that given vast power, most women become just as corrupt as men under the same conditions. Carla F. the Republican primary candidate was known for her huge ego and lack of compassion.
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I didn't see any such assumption in Mr. Bruni's column. He was only talking about how other people evaluate male vs. female behavior.
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And her lack of prettiness:)
The point that you "refute" is not made in the piece.
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I'd love to see the pre-nup that Melania surely held out for. Just sayin'.
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We the people are entitled! Show us the pre-nup!
If the Donald was the Donna she would not get away with the racists, xenophobic rants against Mexicans and Muslims. Part of backward conservative American misogyny is that masses sort of forgive men these disgusting remarks under the guise that they are alpha-males "protecting" the status quo. The NRA/immigration-paranoia class wants its racism leadership coming from a man. When a woman crosses that line, in America, she starts to threaten male power, and male leadership quickly puts her in her place, or steels her sick idea. I am sure Fiorina hit all the same offensive notes as the Donald, and probably had at least the same type of business leadership credentials (spotty, at best), but her torch was quickly extinguished, maybe because of her gender?
Progressives, however, I think are much more open to women in power. They are confident in Hillary, and will nominate her--and she will become our next president, hopefully. Especially, when the GOP offers up a blowhard like the Donald as the voice of their party.
Progressives, however, I think are much more open to women in power. They are confident in Hillary, and will nominate her--and she will become our next president, hopefully. Especially, when the GOP offers up a blowhard like the Donald as the voice of their party.
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Her torch was quickly extinguished because her chief credential was being the former CEO of Hewlett Packard, a once great company. As CEO her disastrous acquisition of Compaq Computer, when the PC industry was obviously about to enter into unstoppable decline, was the 2nd worst American corporate acquisition in modern business history exceeded only by Time Warner's acquisition of AOL.
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And as much as I like Bernie Sanders, a woman Bernie would be absolutely torn to shreds as well. Could you even imagine a woman Marco Rubio? She would be labeled a ditz. And a woman Ted Cruz? I cannot even say it in print or say it out loud. And do not get me started on a woman Ben Carson.
Look at Hillary, who is in fact an actual woman, and see what they say about her. Or Carly Fiorino. Or even Sarah Palin. Or stretch all the way back to Geraldine Ferraro. I remember 1984 quite well. Google her and read what Meet The Press asked her then. I was 24 then and still remember.
Look at Hillary, who is in fact an actual woman, and see what they say about her. Or Carly Fiorino. Or even Sarah Palin. Or stretch all the way back to Geraldine Ferraro. I remember 1984 quite well. Google her and read what Meet The Press asked her then. I was 24 then and still remember.
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Can I imagine a female Trump ? You betcha' I can !
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Frank, Caitlyn, Trump ain't. If Trump were to change, it wouldn't be gender, it would be species.
Let's start with the hair. It's not human. By color and consistency it was birthed by a carnival midway cotton candy machine.
And the facial expressions: They do our simian cousin the chimpanzee proud and then go that creature one better. Look at old videos of J. Fred Muggs on Johnny Carson and compare them with Trump in Houston on Thursday night. If I were a chimpanzee I would be at my lawyer's office door waiting for it to be unlocked Monday morning. Libel, slander, defamation of character. And that's just for starters.
One thing that reaally, reallly, reeaaallyyy boggles me is Trump's claim of sexual prowess. Which hand does he sign his checks and contracts with? Don't shake it. I can't imagine an intelligent human being, regardless of gender, finding Trump erotically interesting. The man couldn't seduce an Electrolux.
No, if Trump changed, he would become a '59 Thunderbird. Ostentatious, bloated, soft in the suspension, expensive to feed, and a complete embarrassment to his heritage.
Let's start with the hair. It's not human. By color and consistency it was birthed by a carnival midway cotton candy machine.
And the facial expressions: They do our simian cousin the chimpanzee proud and then go that creature one better. Look at old videos of J. Fred Muggs on Johnny Carson and compare them with Trump in Houston on Thursday night. If I were a chimpanzee I would be at my lawyer's office door waiting for it to be unlocked Monday morning. Libel, slander, defamation of character. And that's just for starters.
One thing that reaally, reallly, reeaaallyyy boggles me is Trump's claim of sexual prowess. Which hand does he sign his checks and contracts with? Don't shake it. I can't imagine an intelligent human being, regardless of gender, finding Trump erotically interesting. The man couldn't seduce an Electrolux.
No, if Trump changed, he would become a '59 Thunderbird. Ostentatious, bloated, soft in the suspension, expensive to feed, and a complete embarrassment to his heritage.
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@Glen: Excellent comment, and I am glad you mentioned Trump and his claim of sexual prowess. I imagine his boasting on that topic is, like so much else he says about himself, pretty much a lie. He spouts the kind of stuff that would mark someone as a 15-year-old boy. He strikes me as a case of arrested-development, on a par with Hugh Hefner in terms of having a teenager's fantasy-land world view. And all of that looks & sounds really moronic coming from a 69-year-old man who doesn't seem to know what he actually looks like.
As a female, I cannot imagine anything that would induce a normal woman to find Trump sexually desirable (other than his bank account). Certainly he's no "catch" in terms of looks, fitness, IQ, personality, emotional intelligence, charm or even basic sanity. From my POV, if Trump were the last man on earth, humankind would (and ought to) die out.
As a female, I cannot imagine anything that would induce a normal woman to find Trump sexually desirable (other than his bank account). Certainly he's no "catch" in terms of looks, fitness, IQ, personality, emotional intelligence, charm or even basic sanity. From my POV, if Trump were the last man on earth, humankind would (and ought to) die out.
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Frank’s argument might have been made circa 1962, along with the charm of Jackie’s upswept hairdos. While it’s true that successful political women with mouths like Barbara Boxer are few and far between, so are men like Trump who despite their mouths and sexist attitudes have the presence to thrive in a political atmosphere – and the timing to be on stage at the right time for an entertaining protest candidate, while at any other time he would have been laughed off the stage.
But a ton has changed since Jackie Kennedy dos and views of women as hothouse flowers who wouldn’t dream of firing off a public expletive. These days, male CEOs are pretty professional in boardrooms, just as their female counterparts are (over 5% of Fortune 1000 CEOs are now female, and there are a ton of female C-suite officers right behind them awaiting promotions – a long time coming, perhaps, but it’s starting to come fast).
I’m afraid Frank’s argument just isn’t very compelling. Trump is unique: we haven’t had a serious presidential contender as politically incorrect and outrageous as he since Pat Paulsen; and Pat was doing it for the yuks (I think). And that uniqueness has nothing to do with gender. If Carly had his personality and mouth, she’d still be a contender.
But that estimate of 54-35 support for Hillary over Trump among women before Trump has even TRIED to steam-roll her is frightening: it’s close enough that Trump is quite capable of reversing it with some effort.
But a ton has changed since Jackie Kennedy dos and views of women as hothouse flowers who wouldn’t dream of firing off a public expletive. These days, male CEOs are pretty professional in boardrooms, just as their female counterparts are (over 5% of Fortune 1000 CEOs are now female, and there are a ton of female C-suite officers right behind them awaiting promotions – a long time coming, perhaps, but it’s starting to come fast).
I’m afraid Frank’s argument just isn’t very compelling. Trump is unique: we haven’t had a serious presidential contender as politically incorrect and outrageous as he since Pat Paulsen; and Pat was doing it for the yuks (I think). And that uniqueness has nothing to do with gender. If Carly had his personality and mouth, she’d still be a contender.
But that estimate of 54-35 support for Hillary over Trump among women before Trump has even TRIED to steam-roll her is frightening: it’s close enough that Trump is quite capable of reversing it with some effort.
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How is Trump a successful politician? He has never won an election, as Clinton has. He has never held any political office at all.
Trump is totally lacking in decorum. He is totally unprepared for the presidency or any other office.
As Bruni shows, Hillary will slaughter him in the general election. Women are the majority of voters and they are not fooled by his fake business career.
Trump is totally lacking in decorum. He is totally unprepared for the presidency or any other office.
As Bruni shows, Hillary will slaughter him in the general election. Women are the majority of voters and they are not fooled by his fake business career.
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Richard, I graduated from business school in 1977. About 35% of my class was female. You'd think that in the ensuing 39 years we could do a little better than "over 5%" of CEOs of Fortune 1000 companies being female. Times haven't changed nearly fast enough for those of us on the female side of the gender divide.
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Over 5%! My goodness, will women never be satisfied?
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Same age-old gender argument, rehashed in the context of the current primaries.
Frank, there's no hypocrisy or injustice, at least not in the pernicious sense you have argued. Human societies, I believe, hold women to a higher standard for several reasons. Not least among these: in a world of utter corruption, women are a moral safety net, a standard we try to aspire to. We hold women to higher moral probity primarily for our social and cultural preservation.
You say you are "not arguing for greater chastity in men [but instead] for a fairer and more forgiving attitude toward women." Look at the mess we men make of our world. What would become of it if women were coarsened and corrupted as men?
In any case, it's not in the nature of women to behave like men. They are women! So society frowns when some exhibit behaviors not usually associated with their noble nature.
Women are the reason mankind still has a chance of survival.
Frank, there's no hypocrisy or injustice, at least not in the pernicious sense you have argued. Human societies, I believe, hold women to a higher standard for several reasons. Not least among these: in a world of utter corruption, women are a moral safety net, a standard we try to aspire to. We hold women to higher moral probity primarily for our social and cultural preservation.
You say you are "not arguing for greater chastity in men [but instead] for a fairer and more forgiving attitude toward women." Look at the mess we men make of our world. What would become of it if women were coarsened and corrupted as men?
In any case, it's not in the nature of women to behave like men. They are women! So society frowns when some exhibit behaviors not usually associated with their noble nature.
Women are the reason mankind still has a chance of survival.
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"It's not in the nature of women to behave like men. They are women!"
If this is the standard of argument we can expect from philosophically inclined men, perhaps society ought to make women the guardians of reason as well as morality.
In the meantime, I'd like to use my special feminine sensibilities to suggest that "hypocrisy" and "injustice" are indeed pernicious. Or do I forfeit those sensibilities when I engage in public debate?
If this is the standard of argument we can expect from philosophically inclined men, perhaps society ought to make women the guardians of reason as well as morality.
In the meantime, I'd like to use my special feminine sensibilities to suggest that "hypocrisy" and "injustice" are indeed pernicious. Or do I forfeit those sensibilities when I engage in public debate?
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It's all very well to hold women up as being a moral safety net. But most men seem to think that the only way they can manifest that morality is from a pedestal. Let's give Hillary a bully pulpit instead.
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Oh. Wow. Thanks for the trip back to the 50s--and earlier. All those female children who were brought up to be "little ladies".
And, I fear, you missed the whole point of the article. Seriously bad and inappropriate behavior we would not find acceptable in women should not be acceptable in men either. Your reaction is just plain backward--as is the reaction of quite a few others here.
And, I fear, you missed the whole point of the article. Seriously bad and inappropriate behavior we would not find acceptable in women should not be acceptable in men either. Your reaction is just plain backward--as is the reaction of quite a few others here.
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Although a significant % of women get the sexist thing, another large group have been trained to believe that that is "just the way men are" and that "he doesn't mean anything by it." I have been told by women, when I fume about yet another male colleague calling me "dear" that I am creating my own problem; that if I would just get that it's "just habit" and should be ignored, it wouldn't bother me (as such things do not bother them).
Sadly, women can also be catty about their own kind. A group of women I was with yesterday (GOP folk all) brought up Hillary in the conversation. They did not touch on how awful her policies are, though they surely think that. One said, 'Obviously she's never gone to Weight Watchers." Another commented on her 'god-awful' pants suits, someone else said that she has to wear them because she has "piano legs" - there were negative assessments of her various hair styles. All women ought to be outraged by this conversation for it is the very kind of focus that diminishes all of us. Rather than praising or critiquing a woman on what she does or says or accomplishes, she is picked apart for the way she looks - Trump does it, sadly a segment of female society does it, too, and does not even understand what the issue is.
Sadly, women can also be catty about their own kind. A group of women I was with yesterday (GOP folk all) brought up Hillary in the conversation. They did not touch on how awful her policies are, though they surely think that. One said, 'Obviously she's never gone to Weight Watchers." Another commented on her 'god-awful' pants suits, someone else said that she has to wear them because she has "piano legs" - there were negative assessments of her various hair styles. All women ought to be outraged by this conversation for it is the very kind of focus that diminishes all of us. Rather than praising or critiquing a woman on what she does or says or accomplishes, she is picked apart for the way she looks - Trump does it, sadly a segment of female society does it, too, and does not even understand what the issue is.
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Yes, women are ridiculed for their looks, by men as exceptionally unattractive as the Donald, and even worse.
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Women are often their own worse enemies and we women need to stop attacking other women on cosmetic issues or do the same w/ men. Good for the Goose, good for the Gander...how about not being tribal & superficial....it makes all of us women look bad, it's embarrassing.
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Yes, but men aren't women. And I think that the attempt to make us all into sames isn't going to succeed for that reason.
From an evolutionary perspective, for example, female mammals invest a great deal more in pregnancy and child rearing than males do. So selection pressure has led women to be picky about choosing mates who will support their children, while men try to spread their DNA as far as possible. (It's actually a bit more complex then that, but that's the basic idea.) This in turn leads to differing social standards for male and female behavior.
It can be argued that pregnancy and nursing are no longer as trying for women as they once were, but in our society women still end up raising children when there is no steady male partner.
I've long believed in equal opportunity for women, but we have to be realistic -- men and women still have somewhat different roles, and face different expectations, some of them instinctive.
Besides, it's possible to be hypersensitive. Many of us feel that Trump is boorish regardless of his sex. And I don't see how calling Clinton shrill is any worse than calling Sanders grouchy or making jokes about Trump's hair.
Consider the schoolyard insults that the Republican candidates have been hurling at one another: if you want men and women to play on a level field, you can't then place women on a pedestal. President Obama's family has been portrayed by the right as monkeys. It doesn't get more vile than that.
From an evolutionary perspective, for example, female mammals invest a great deal more in pregnancy and child rearing than males do. So selection pressure has led women to be picky about choosing mates who will support their children, while men try to spread their DNA as far as possible. (It's actually a bit more complex then that, but that's the basic idea.) This in turn leads to differing social standards for male and female behavior.
It can be argued that pregnancy and nursing are no longer as trying for women as they once were, but in our society women still end up raising children when there is no steady male partner.
I've long believed in equal opportunity for women, but we have to be realistic -- men and women still have somewhat different roles, and face different expectations, some of them instinctive.
Besides, it's possible to be hypersensitive. Many of us feel that Trump is boorish regardless of his sex. And I don't see how calling Clinton shrill is any worse than calling Sanders grouchy or making jokes about Trump's hair.
Consider the schoolyard insults that the Republican candidates have been hurling at one another: if you want men and women to play on a level field, you can't then place women on a pedestal. President Obama's family has been portrayed by the right as monkeys. It doesn't get more vile than that.
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I can remember many discussions (arguments) in college trying to suggest to male students that women were just as capable and intelligent as men and that being female did not mean being inferior. The male students didn't buy this. At that time I concluded they were right. Females are superior.
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But relegating women to the status of marsupials is in point of fact equally revolting or at the least revolt-encouraging, O semi-leftist.
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Trump is a sexist, and Bruni is correct, the double standard would sink any woman. However, what does this say about his voters. As he said, " I love the poorly educated". What he really meant is that his voters are ignorant and not discerning, that they fall for his shtick.
For 35 years+, since Reagan's declaration that "government is the problem", the Republican Party has espoused not just an anti-intellectualism but the notion that people have a right to ignorance. As Stephen Colbert formulated with "truthiness" and statements like 'facts are for elitists' (paraphrasing). Republicans have sold this as libertarian but it has dangerous consequences: that the Government can default and that climate change is a hoax, to name just 2.
There are many reasons for vote against Trump (and any Republican), but the greatest, because it's the greatest long term threat to our democracy, is to reverse the pervasive ignorance in this country.
To quote Thomas Jefferson, "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".
For 35 years+, since Reagan's declaration that "government is the problem", the Republican Party has espoused not just an anti-intellectualism but the notion that people have a right to ignorance. As Stephen Colbert formulated with "truthiness" and statements like 'facts are for elitists' (paraphrasing). Republicans have sold this as libertarian but it has dangerous consequences: that the Government can default and that climate change is a hoax, to name just 2.
There are many reasons for vote against Trump (and any Republican), but the greatest, because it's the greatest long term threat to our democracy, is to reverse the pervasive ignorance in this country.
To quote Thomas Jefferson, "If a nation expects to be ignorant and free, in a state of civilization, it expects what never was and never will be".
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There are several types of ignorance. There are those who through no fault of their own have been deprived of education or information. These can be educated. There are those who chose to ignore things that would require them to change their opinions or beliefs. These are zealots who will change only when painful reality forces them, and even then sometimes not. And then there are those who actively seek out facts, information, and opinions from others who are ignorant but who can disseminate these falsehoods through the internet and biased media. A published study showed that those who got their news from Fox knew less than people who never watched television news. These people are Republicans.
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The series "Mad Men" was suppose to signal the end of a male dominated culture of the 50s. And recent Supreme Court decisions and Congressional actions seem to indicate we are in a post racial era. Apparently neither of these are true. Old habits die very hard.
But I would like to see a psychological study performed on the 35% of the women who have decided that the Donald is their man.
But I would like to see a psychological study performed on the 35% of the women who have decided that the Donald is their man.
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Despite what your article states, it is so obvious that many if not most women accept their plight in life and are in fact very unfair to other women. I am more than amazed that with the exception of maybe Megan Kelly, conservative woman, many of the most famous women journalists on TV frequently fawn over Trump and are wildy unfair to Hillary Clinton. Maureen Dowd for example and Mika Brzezinski who after all host one of the most popular morning political shows on television. Every morning she joins morning Joe Scarborough in protecting Trump from all criticisms and frequently will criticize and belittle anyone who dare to criticize Trump. Anytime Hillary Clinton's name comes up on the other hand she has a snarkely comment at the ready. Most of the women journalists and pundits on that show are also withering in their criticism of Hillary Clinton while letting Trump slide with behaviors very demeaning to women and minorities.
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Mike, women journalists do not represent all women. IMO, many of them are given platforms by conservative media owners precisely because they can be counted on to say hateful things about other women. If men said those things, they would be excoriated for sexism. Women like Maureen Dowd are, IMO, paid anti-feminists. And I say this as a Sanders supporter.
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Don't forget Dr. Drew who devotes his show to complaining about how the Media fawns over Trump, while at the same time fawning over Trump and allowing one of his talking heads to disparage Hillary Clinton. Makes me grab for the remote.
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Where do you get this most women accept their plight? Are you kidding? Mean girls grow up to be mean women and keep acting like jerks I guess. Don't lump all other women into that category. Especially me! "Mike".
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I agree with gemli.
I believe most of us consider ourselves "sexual" and can even countenance a clever, amusing and well disguised "adult" allusion on the proper occasion, but what Trump vomits are indeed, vulgarities.
His references and remarks to and regarding women lack any sophistication or good taste and are intentionally lewd, salacious and offensive.
The sheer volume of them shows an unhealthy and prurient level of interest in both sexual and bodily functions (sweat, menstrual blood etc.), uttered in the most crass of terms in the most inappropriate of social situations for a calculated effect.
One need only to sit and ponder the effect he is trying to get, and from whom he is trying to get it - both the positive and negative responses - to begin to understand the depth of Don's depravity.
When George W. Bush stole the Presidency I told my husband to hold onto his hat - we were in for a ride. Even I could not have imagined the truth.
Well, folks, we ain't seen nothin' yet.
I believe most of us consider ourselves "sexual" and can even countenance a clever, amusing and well disguised "adult" allusion on the proper occasion, but what Trump vomits are indeed, vulgarities.
His references and remarks to and regarding women lack any sophistication or good taste and are intentionally lewd, salacious and offensive.
The sheer volume of them shows an unhealthy and prurient level of interest in both sexual and bodily functions (sweat, menstrual blood etc.), uttered in the most crass of terms in the most inappropriate of social situations for a calculated effect.
One need only to sit and ponder the effect he is trying to get, and from whom he is trying to get it - both the positive and negative responses - to begin to understand the depth of Don's depravity.
When George W. Bush stole the Presidency I told my husband to hold onto his hat - we were in for a ride. Even I could not have imagined the truth.
Well, folks, we ain't seen nothin' yet.
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Let's not forget what happened when Hillary took that long bathroom break. Trump implied that Hillary was doing something disgusting in there. There were at least 2 Times articles talking about the issue about women in the bathroom. Long bathroom lines, what women wear and why it takes them so long, etc.
This is only the beginning of the age of Trump.
This is only the beginning of the age of Trump.
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Nancy Parker's "When George W. Bush stole the Presidency I told my husband to hold onto his hat - we were in for a ride. Even I could not have imagined the truth." should be the epitaph on G.W.'s tombstone. Paid for by a grateful citizenry -- grateful that he's no longer with us. In the current climate, I have to add that I am unalterably opposed to assassination. Not even by drone gunnery.
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Bruni's analysis nails the gender bias, but consider a second mental exercise. Suppose Trump were a black man and behaved the way he has. The response would have exceeded the fury of the reaction to a white woman who imitated the Donald. The female Trump would have challenged gender roles, but the black male Trump would have defied racial prejudices.
Much has changed since the 1950s, and interracial couples no longer provoke the level of outrage they once did. But a black man who boasted publicly of his sexual exploits with white women, and who judged them as one would cattle, would face a backlash that would destroy his candidacy and possibly endanger his life.
Both his gender and skin color enable Trump to defy convention in ways that neither women nor minority males could attempt with impunity. Both directly and indirectly, the popularity of this man, however temporary it may prove to be, exposes the tawdry underbelly of our culture.
Much has changed since the 1950s, and interracial couples no longer provoke the level of outrage they once did. But a black man who boasted publicly of his sexual exploits with white women, and who judged them as one would cattle, would face a backlash that would destroy his candidacy and possibly endanger his life.
Both his gender and skin color enable Trump to defy convention in ways that neither women nor minority males could attempt with impunity. Both directly and indirectly, the popularity of this man, however temporary it may prove to be, exposes the tawdry underbelly of our culture.
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I've actually heard something along the lines of what Frank Bruni can't imagine hearing a woman say about her son. I suspect that people of either gender who make such declarations are oblivious to how such remarks may sound to some members of their audiences. I've also wondered whether the remarks can be seen in some ways as an indirect dig at the child's other parent, who shares the same gender as the child.
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I interpret Trump's remarks about his daughter as simply the only kind of pride and praise that he knows. They are really harmless compared to nearly everything else he says.
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The Trump you paint's more than a scamp
The Lady is clearly a tramp,
But not as dull-witted
And clearly unfitted
To mount a Presidential ramp.
The Lady is clearly a tramp,
But not as dull-witted
And clearly unfitted
To mount a Presidential ramp.
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May one suggest that youse
need to skip passin' off abuse
As scansion and commetary
Circles; thus doth thy proclaim'st qualities
Eschew rationalities
And speaks't, nay bray,
Thy fear and thy hostilities.
need to skip passin' off abuse
As scansion and commetary
Circles; thus doth thy proclaim'st qualities
Eschew rationalities
And speaks't, nay bray,
Thy fear and thy hostilities.
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I am quite excited by the Trump romp through the primaries... for the same reason the GOP is terrified.
Not only would the GOP lose the White House, but likely the Senate as well, if moderate Republicans sit out the General Election. Might even get more Hispanic turnout if all of the anti-Hispanic video is run over and over, which could profoundly change the balance in Texas, AZ and other southern tier states. In fact, the Donald has created quite a treaure trove of video and Twitter material, to go along with the Trump University, hiring foreign workers, forcing widows out of their homes and on and on.
Go, Donald, go! Just be yourself! It's working!
Not only would the GOP lose the White House, but likely the Senate as well, if moderate Republicans sit out the General Election. Might even get more Hispanic turnout if all of the anti-Hispanic video is run over and over, which could profoundly change the balance in Texas, AZ and other southern tier states. In fact, the Donald has created quite a treaure trove of video and Twitter material, to go along with the Trump University, hiring foreign workers, forcing widows out of their homes and on and on.
Go, Donald, go! Just be yourself! It's working!
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Be careful what you wish for. I remember Democrats celebrating in 1968 when Nixon won the Republican nomination.
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Don't be so happy so soon - you could be completely wrong
Tyrannosaurs rump's Republican opponents have little to say about his misogyny since they are also quite sexist. But thanks to T. rump's pride, vanity, and need for attention he has a long record of public comments that disparage women, including comments from his current campaign. These will become ammunition against him in the general election, should he win the nomination.
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As I read Bruni's fantasy of "Donna Trump," I realized he could have been talking about Madonna in the 1980s. The NYC media, particularly the NY Post if I remember correctly, hated Madonna. She was called a slut, tramp, whatever. She kept making those dollars (as did the Post, who knew that Madonna meant increased newspaper sales). Now In her late 50s, she's still dancing around and saying whatever she wants, although nothing is really shocking anymore in the age of social media and she's no longer a headliner.
So Bruni, you don't mean Donna Trump, you mean MAdonna Trump. Both Madonna and The Donald are cut from the same cloth. Look at ME ME ME.
I'm not even necessarily a fan of Madonna's but it's so obvious. He even mentions her later in the article in connection with Trump's sexual preferences (ugh). Why are we even talking about Trump's sexual appetites in the NY Times????
I did have to laugh at the gray lady describing Rubio's wet pants opine yesterday. The Times said something like Trump possibly "urinating in his trousers." Hilarious.
Can we just keep President Obama in office another few years until both political parties can bring us decent candidates?
So Bruni, you don't mean Donna Trump, you mean MAdonna Trump. Both Madonna and The Donald are cut from the same cloth. Look at ME ME ME.
I'm not even necessarily a fan of Madonna's but it's so obvious. He even mentions her later in the article in connection with Trump's sexual preferences (ugh). Why are we even talking about Trump's sexual appetites in the NY Times????
I did have to laugh at the gray lady describing Rubio's wet pants opine yesterday. The Times said something like Trump possibly "urinating in his trousers." Hilarious.
Can we just keep President Obama in office another few years until both political parties can bring us decent candidates?
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Debra,
I think you miss the point. We have a highly qualified candidate who is not treated with the respect that she deserves, and would get if she were a man.
I think you miss the point. We have a highly qualified candidate who is not treated with the respect that she deserves, and would get if she were a man.
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Debra,
I think you have missed the point. We already have a highly qualified candidate for president. If she were a man she might be recognized as such. Just as with the right to vote, black men went first. Now it is time for a women, and Hillary is up to the job. Women have had the right to vote since 1919. This is the first time they have the choice of voting for a women. How would men feel if that were reversed?
I think you have missed the point. We already have a highly qualified candidate for president. If she were a man she might be recognized as such. Just as with the right to vote, black men went first. Now it is time for a women, and Hillary is up to the job. Women have had the right to vote since 1919. This is the first time they have the choice of voting for a women. How would men feel if that were reversed?
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In all fairness to Madonna, though - she always worked with all kinds of people that represent the diversity that Trump rails and rants against - blacks, gays, transgender...she adopted African children and was in a relationship with a Cuban. She is also an activist and philanthropist - what money has Trump ever given away to charity?
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Trump, and now Christie, are like Thelma and Louise on a road trip, heading toward a hairpin curve at breakneck speed - we have mixed emotions, as if the car they are in is a one-of-a-kind irreplaceable 'vette.
Mixed emotions.
Mixed emotions.
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Trump and Christie....They really are a pair. The new Blues Brothers? Not that I know so much about the originals.
But neither of them belong anywhere near the White House.
I did like Christie but he became a Republican puppet and won't even thank Obama for saving him with federal money during Sandy.
But neither of them belong anywhere near the White House.
I did like Christie but he became a Republican puppet and won't even thank Obama for saving him with federal money during Sandy.
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My favorite line from T & L: "You get what you settle for."
I would rather go canyon jumping in a T-bird than live in a country that has the MaDonald, the RubiCon or the CruzMissile as its leader. Any day.
I would rather go canyon jumping in a T-bird than live in a country that has the MaDonald, the RubiCon or the CruzMissile as its leader. Any day.
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As long as the ending is the same for Trump and Christie as for Thelma and Louise, there may be hope for the country.
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Trump's offense isn't entirely sexual. It's vulgar, which is a bit different, and broader. It represents not only crudeness toward women, but a general lack of decorum, sensitivity and intelligence that doesn't befit a presidential contender. Can you imagine president Obama saying such things? Can you imagine the stumbling speech, the thoughtless insults and the adolescent smirks coming from the Oval Office?
The role of president is to represent the aspirations of the American people, young and old, men and women, liberal and conservative. I can't imagine what electing a president Trump would say about us, or what message it would send to other countries. Sheer embarrassment should make any voter think twice about pulling that lever.
Bill Clinton may have behaved badly, but I've always felt that while he embarrassed himself and humiliated his family, he didn't embarrass the country. His personal flaws were distinct from his intelligence and his political sensibilities.
While Bill Clinton was eloquent, Trump is incoherent. He's also spiteful, insulting and small-minded. He'd be out of his depth in a wading pool, much less the ocean of responsibility that comes with the office.
But is seems that we can't avoid him, and he isn't going away any time soon. However there is one way that you can see the end of Trump. Just remove the T.
The role of president is to represent the aspirations of the American people, young and old, men and women, liberal and conservative. I can't imagine what electing a president Trump would say about us, or what message it would send to other countries. Sheer embarrassment should make any voter think twice about pulling that lever.
Bill Clinton may have behaved badly, but I've always felt that while he embarrassed himself and humiliated his family, he didn't embarrass the country. His personal flaws were distinct from his intelligence and his political sensibilities.
While Bill Clinton was eloquent, Trump is incoherent. He's also spiteful, insulting and small-minded. He'd be out of his depth in a wading pool, much less the ocean of responsibility that comes with the office.
But is seems that we can't avoid him, and he isn't going away any time soon. However there is one way that you can see the end of Trump. Just remove the T.
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He didn't embarrass the country? Are you kidding? You don't remember the expressions of outrage by parents of BOTH parties that they needed to explain to their young children what all the fuss was about?
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reply to Richard: it was not Clinton who released every last detail to the public. It was the Republicans in Congress (who, as we later learned, were having much more intimate affairs of their own)
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Lynn:
Noooo ... it was Linda Tripp who blew open the whole thing, then the "facts" became public from Monica herself, once Hillary started demonizing not her husband but her.
Noooo ... it was Linda Tripp who blew open the whole thing, then the "facts" became public from Monica herself, once Hillary started demonizing not her husband but her.
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Trump always reminded me of a woman. But it only recently dawned on me who it was.
He is the spitting verbal image of his late friend, fellow vulgarian, and Celebrity Apprentice winner Joan Rivers. Every time he waves his finger during one of his uncensored stand-up routines, I expect him to pretend-gag himself while the rest of us are either reflex-gagging or laughing hysterically in the privacy of our homes.
Rivers and Trump had/have similar verbal tics. "Incredible!" becomes "Incre----!" Redundancy rules: "Am I wrong? Am I wrong?"
"They (rivals, foreigners, the disabled etc) are the worst! The WORST!"
Also, "It's horrible! HORRIBLE!"
And "It's just.... it's just." And its variation: "It's just the worst. The WORST!"
Joan Rivers once said: "There are two things going on whenever you do comedy. Your mouth and your head."
Unfortunately for us, Trump's head never taught his mouth when to shut the hell up. His head never instructed his feet to walk off the national stage to spend more time with his money. He should have flunked Celebrity Candidate Apprentice long ago, but the ratings were too high. America loves its comedians, and media conglomerates love their profits. Trump is saving them a bundle even as he rakes it in for them: they need pay fewer journalists.
Hopefully more of them will join Melissa Harris Perry and just walk off the set. We should all protest, boycott, put what's left of our democracy back on the path to sanity in the public interest.
He is the spitting verbal image of his late friend, fellow vulgarian, and Celebrity Apprentice winner Joan Rivers. Every time he waves his finger during one of his uncensored stand-up routines, I expect him to pretend-gag himself while the rest of us are either reflex-gagging or laughing hysterically in the privacy of our homes.
Rivers and Trump had/have similar verbal tics. "Incredible!" becomes "Incre----!" Redundancy rules: "Am I wrong? Am I wrong?"
"They (rivals, foreigners, the disabled etc) are the worst! The WORST!"
Also, "It's horrible! HORRIBLE!"
And "It's just.... it's just." And its variation: "It's just the worst. The WORST!"
Joan Rivers once said: "There are two things going on whenever you do comedy. Your mouth and your head."
Unfortunately for us, Trump's head never taught his mouth when to shut the hell up. His head never instructed his feet to walk off the national stage to spend more time with his money. He should have flunked Celebrity Candidate Apprentice long ago, but the ratings were too high. America loves its comedians, and media conglomerates love their profits. Trump is saving them a bundle even as he rakes it in for them: they need pay fewer journalists.
Hopefully more of them will join Melissa Harris Perry and just walk off the set. We should all protest, boycott, put what's left of our democracy back on the path to sanity in the public interest.
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Wow. Joan Rivers. Exactly. You nailed it.
Would anyone consider Joan Rivers to be Presidential timbre? Some people have a hard enough time with Hillary.
Would anyone consider Joan Rivers to be Presidential timbre? Some people have a hard enough time with Hillary.
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You should not speak ill of the dead. Joan Rivers made me laugh. Trump? Not so much.
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If not the dead, of whom should we speak ill? The issue is that Joan Rivers made you laugh, and (quoting Mark T.) Tyrannosaurus rump does not.
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Excellent synopsis of the double standard in America, Mr. Bruni. There was another article in today's New York Times that showed the most powerful people in America. The article highlighted racial imbalance but the real issue in America is GENDER imbalance. For the first time in the 240 year HIStory of America the most qualified candidate to be the next President is a WOMAN - Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Every woman in America - and the men who love them - MUST vote for her and take a giant leap to a Balance of Gender Power.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/26/us/race-of-american-power....®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/26/us/race-of-american-power....®ion=top-news&WT.nav=top-news
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There has been a Bernie imbalance too.
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Mrs. Clinton just can't seem to come clean. While she doesn't do the wrong thing she is excellent at not doing the right thing. Provide transcripts. Answer questions. She's no better as a person than Andrew Dice Trump. But she or Bernie would be a better President than the bad tasting Cuban sandwich that appeared on stage in the last debate (line stolen from Bill Maher). Rubio and Cruz on either side of a big fat ham.
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Yes, and let's see the same article with the percentage of women highlighted. (Maybe even add women"s professional sports teams.)
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