Seems the many South Carolinians are content with the status quo, content that Hillary is somehow entitled to be filthy rich, while their communities become more impoverished. Is it a reward for Clinton, for all that she has done for their communities? Is it a reward for her flawed 1994 crime bill that dramatically increased rates of incarceration for young Black men, or for the vote for the war on Iraq that sent many of South Carolina's youth home in body bags?
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First of all , the comment about the "superpredators" was taken out of context. She was not saying that black people were super predators, but yes, those people (whether black or not) who are in violent gangs that merciless pounce on their victims for whatever reason can be described as such.
The saddest part of it all is to hear Bernie's supporters spewing the same criticisms that Fox news has been promoting for years. The Republicans did their job well. They now have trained Democrat operatives doing the job for them: just sit back, relax and watch the Democratic Party implode, taking away any chances of recapturing the Supreme Court, of the utmost importance, more than Sander's opinion on the rigged economy, minimum wages, Health Care, etc., all of which can be undone by s simple majority of these Judges.
His so called revolution, which he tried to imply is the great discovery of the milenium, is old news to someone like me who has seen how difficult it has been to even accomplish a semblance of Universal Health Coverage or reverse the rigged economy. I have been voting for the past 44 years, every election, including midterms.
Without 60 votes in the Senate and a Democrat majority in the House of Representatives, his proposals will go no where fast, and they won't.
If Hillary does win the nomination, will his supporters vote for Hillary? Unlike them, I would vote for Sanders if he were selected. I fear many of Sanders' supporters would not. Peace !
The saddest part of it all is to hear Bernie's supporters spewing the same criticisms that Fox news has been promoting for years. The Republicans did their job well. They now have trained Democrat operatives doing the job for them: just sit back, relax and watch the Democratic Party implode, taking away any chances of recapturing the Supreme Court, of the utmost importance, more than Sander's opinion on the rigged economy, minimum wages, Health Care, etc., all of which can be undone by s simple majority of these Judges.
His so called revolution, which he tried to imply is the great discovery of the milenium, is old news to someone like me who has seen how difficult it has been to even accomplish a semblance of Universal Health Coverage or reverse the rigged economy. I have been voting for the past 44 years, every election, including midterms.
Without 60 votes in the Senate and a Democrat majority in the House of Representatives, his proposals will go no where fast, and they won't.
If Hillary does win the nomination, will his supporters vote for Hillary? Unlike them, I would vote for Sanders if he were selected. I fear many of Sanders' supporters would not. Peace !
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Visit the Wikipedia article on the 2008 Presidential Primaries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries,_2008
and you'll see that the southern states were no picnic for Hillary Clinton back then.
Visit the South Carolina primary results, and you can see that Hillary finished far behind the lead with less than 27% of the Democratic vote to Obama's more than 54%. (John Edwards took about 17 and 1/2%.) For very similar figures you can check references supplied by the same Wikipedia article such as "The Green Papers" at http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/SC-D.phtml or "South Carolina Unofficial Results" at http://www.state.sc.us/cgi-bin/scsec/scsec-demprisw-012608.pl
and you'll see that the southern states were no picnic for Hillary Clinton back then.
Visit the South Carolina primary results, and you can see that Hillary finished far behind the lead with less than 27% of the Democratic vote to Obama's more than 54%. (John Edwards took about 17 and 1/2%.) For very similar figures you can check references supplied by the same Wikipedia article such as "The Green Papers" at http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P08/SC-D.phtml or "South Carolina Unofficial Results" at http://www.state.sc.us/cgi-bin/scsec/scsec-demprisw-012608.pl
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Let's try to imagine this campaign without Sanders. The 73-year-old could easily have decided he didn't have the energy to withstand the brutal schedule, endless speeches, and constant traveling. Given the fact that opinion polls gave him zero chance, why would he do it? Because he knew that the country HAD to have a serious conversation about the economic conditions that are burying the middle class, and that a prosperous middle class is the only engine for shared economic growth. So he begins to travel and speak, and the speeches come easy because it's as message he has felt strongly about for decades...and WOW! does he strike a chord. The people hear it. The people get it. They recognize the truth of it. They feel his passion and respond in droves. The conversation he is demanding is happening, and astute Hillary is hearing it loud and clear. He is forcing her leftward, which is, unfortunately, simply back to the center, but imagine if Bernie hadn't run. It would be a meaningless cakewalk for her. She will be a much better Democratic nominee because of Bernie forcing this conversation. Thank you, Bernie.
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I respect Bernie Sanders, his effort and his message. I admire the passion he inspires. I cringe at the attitudes of some of his supporters that there is no difference between Hillary Clinton and moderate Republicans.
I want to see the Affordable Care Act continued, not rolled back. I want to see the Paris climate accords implemented. I want to see the Iran nuclear deal succeed, not unraveled. I want to see Citizens United reversed, reasonable access to abortion and universal access to contraception maintained, and reasonable and effective gun regulations possible, all of which require more moderate Supreme Court members. I want to see Pres. Obama's increase in the effective tax rates of the wealthiest (through regulation) maintained and expanded if possible.
Any of the GOP candidates will rollback all of the above. Either Bernie or Hillary will maintain them. But I still don't believe that Bernie can win a general election. To those who repeat two plus decades of right wing smear and say that Hillary is compromised beyond redemption or electability, I point out that "socialist" is all the GOP likely has to trumpet to defeat Bernie.
To those feeling the Bern, please have the same passion and involvement in November, whichever Democrat is the nominee. The stakes are too high otherwise.
I want to see the Affordable Care Act continued, not rolled back. I want to see the Paris climate accords implemented. I want to see the Iran nuclear deal succeed, not unraveled. I want to see Citizens United reversed, reasonable access to abortion and universal access to contraception maintained, and reasonable and effective gun regulations possible, all of which require more moderate Supreme Court members. I want to see Pres. Obama's increase in the effective tax rates of the wealthiest (through regulation) maintained and expanded if possible.
Any of the GOP candidates will rollback all of the above. Either Bernie or Hillary will maintain them. But I still don't believe that Bernie can win a general election. To those who repeat two plus decades of right wing smear and say that Hillary is compromised beyond redemption or electability, I point out that "socialist" is all the GOP likely has to trumpet to defeat Bernie.
To those feeling the Bern, please have the same passion and involvement in November, whichever Democrat is the nominee. The stakes are too high otherwise.
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Bern rightly asks why HRC is afraid to share transcripts from her Wall St speeches. Its no double standard as she likes to claim. Bern --her current opponent--will reveal his transcripts, so she should reveal hers. Since they left the White House, the Clintons have made 153,000,000 dollars from paid speeches, many to current Big-Money Wall Street donors.
Does anybody REALLY think shell get tough on her Wall Street pals who gave her those millions? REALLY??
Does anybody REALLY think shell get tough on her Wall Street pals who gave her those millions? REALLY??
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The Republican Party is imploding and cannot be unified. Trump represents the anti-establishment people who believe their problems are caused by immigrants and other scapegoats. The Democratic Party is really in the process of becoming the new "Republican Party".
The Democratic Party is not imploding, it is splitting and a new potentially powerful movement (bigger, stronger than the movements of the 1960's and even the civil rights movement). The initial civil rights movement included a strong component from the North which was fighting for economic rights. Look at the speakers list for the 1963 march. The Black movement must contain a fight against the vestiges of Jim Crow as well as a fight for economic rights. No one can win unless this happens and whites embrace it.
What is happening now is the beginning of a new political party -- yet to be born. The new party is being born now with the help of Bernie Sanders and his program which is built upon all that has happened in this country since 2008 and upon the back of the big movements of the 1960's-70's..
However, this party won't be like the other two big business parties. As Sanders says, it must be a fighting party, a mass movement fighting for its program. It will have elections, but it will also be in the streets. And it will include a big economic as well as political fight. It will be huge.
How and when it comes into being, one cannot yet say, but its nucleus is growing. Do not give up hope.
The Democratic Party is not imploding, it is splitting and a new potentially powerful movement (bigger, stronger than the movements of the 1960's and even the civil rights movement). The initial civil rights movement included a strong component from the North which was fighting for economic rights. Look at the speakers list for the 1963 march. The Black movement must contain a fight against the vestiges of Jim Crow as well as a fight for economic rights. No one can win unless this happens and whites embrace it.
What is happening now is the beginning of a new political party -- yet to be born. The new party is being born now with the help of Bernie Sanders and his program which is built upon all that has happened in this country since 2008 and upon the back of the big movements of the 1960's-70's..
However, this party won't be like the other two big business parties. As Sanders says, it must be a fighting party, a mass movement fighting for its program. It will have elections, but it will also be in the streets. And it will include a big economic as well as political fight. It will be huge.
How and when it comes into being, one cannot yet say, but its nucleus is growing. Do not give up hope.
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The SC Democratic Party machine is controlled by James Clyburn. Whomever he endorses will be the primary victor there. After Clyburn endorsed Hillary this past week, the primary was decided, and the game was up for Bernie. For those of us who live in SC the game is up because the Republicans will most certainly win the state in the general election. In fact, South Carolina will elect a Republican in a landslide given how much Hillary Clinton is hated. Republicans are very good at hating. The same will happen in every single red state.
Some people are under the illusion that the United States has a democratic type government - far from it. Should the Democratic establishment prevail and it sure looks like they will given that they are pulling out all the stops, Hillary Clinton will get the nomination. The most optimistic Clinton supporter claims that Hillary can overcome all her negatives with conservatives and issues of trust with liberals and win against Trump. However, the election will probably come down to a handful of states and I'm betting that the anti-establishment vote will turn out in record numbers and Trump will have an easy win against Clinton. Only, Sanders can win the anti-establishment vote for the Democrats but since the Democratic establishment opposes Sanders, Democrats will lose. You have to ask why the Democratic elite are turning their backs on base voters and shafting every Democrat?
Some people are under the illusion that the United States has a democratic type government - far from it. Should the Democratic establishment prevail and it sure looks like they will given that they are pulling out all the stops, Hillary Clinton will get the nomination. The most optimistic Clinton supporter claims that Hillary can overcome all her negatives with conservatives and issues of trust with liberals and win against Trump. However, the election will probably come down to a handful of states and I'm betting that the anti-establishment vote will turn out in record numbers and Trump will have an easy win against Clinton. Only, Sanders can win the anti-establishment vote for the Democrats but since the Democratic establishment opposes Sanders, Democrats will lose. You have to ask why the Democratic elite are turning their backs on base voters and shafting every Democrat?
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“Especially the rural areas, it was just a name that was in their heads, and that was what they were familiar with, and that’s what they went with,” she said. “If anybody really did their homework on Bernie Sanders, they would have automatically went his way.”
That's the campaigns job! Voter outreach, education, contact! Letting the media carry Bernie's message just about always comes AFTER the journalist has used the word 'socialist' in the lead-in. The campaign's message is being inaccurately shorthanded as 'free stuff - free healthcare, free college' to people who know that nothing comes for free.
It's not back to Square One for Bernie but there is a lot of education to do- and most of it will need to be done without the media carrying the message, they have shown themselves incapable of unbiased reporting. It's that or we watch GDP grow to $22T over the next four years, while median family incomes stay flat.
That's the campaigns job! Voter outreach, education, contact! Letting the media carry Bernie's message just about always comes AFTER the journalist has used the word 'socialist' in the lead-in. The campaign's message is being inaccurately shorthanded as 'free stuff - free healthcare, free college' to people who know that nothing comes for free.
It's not back to Square One for Bernie but there is a lot of education to do- and most of it will need to be done without the media carrying the message, they have shown themselves incapable of unbiased reporting. It's that or we watch GDP grow to $22T over the next four years, while median family incomes stay flat.
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To keep this civil, let me state that I support Sen. Sanders but that I will support and vote for the Democratic nominee come November.
My question is this, if we're talking electability in the general why does Sec. Clinton's overwhelming support in South Carolina and her likely victories in southern states on Tuesday mean so much? I understand the race for delegates but most of the states voting on Super Tuesday will not swing Blue come November(including mine). On November 8, South Carolina will be called for the Republicans at 7:01 p.m. Does anyone reading this doubt that? If Clinton carries SC by a huge majority now, how much does that really matter for a Democratic victory come November?
Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico will be the deciders. The other 42 are out of play and essentially meaningless. It's a ridiculous way to choose a president, but it's our way. Until we can change it through constitutional amendment, shouldn't we pay more attention, give more weight to voters in these states when choosing a nominee? I understand that it's an undemocratic suggestion, but isn't it also a realistic one?
My question is this, if we're talking electability in the general why does Sec. Clinton's overwhelming support in South Carolina and her likely victories in southern states on Tuesday mean so much? I understand the race for delegates but most of the states voting on Super Tuesday will not swing Blue come November(including mine). On November 8, South Carolina will be called for the Republicans at 7:01 p.m. Does anyone reading this doubt that? If Clinton carries SC by a huge majority now, how much does that really matter for a Democratic victory come November?
Florida, Ohio, North Carolina, Virginia, Pennsylvania, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico will be the deciders. The other 42 are out of play and essentially meaningless. It's a ridiculous way to choose a president, but it's our way. Until we can change it through constitutional amendment, shouldn't we pay more attention, give more weight to voters in these states when choosing a nominee? I understand that it's an undemocratic suggestion, but isn't it also a realistic one?
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I love it. According to the NYT, Sanders doesn't stand a chance now that Hillary won SC. With NH is was, oh yeah, Sanders won but not really. SC is a low information republican majority state that is finally taking down it racist flag. Why not some level headed journalism, we have a little ways to go yet. The power of Corporate America is astounding, but they have become awash in ill gotten power and they can only see what fits this view. The orchestration to have Hillary as president is obvious and anyone who thinks Hillary will be serving anyone but the corporate oligarchy is a fool. Bernie is a real threat to their one party system.
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“'Especially the rural areas, it was just a name that was in their heads, and that was what they were familiar with, and that’s what they went with...'”
Rural is rural, whether it is Black or White, poor, ignorant and unable to determine who and what's in their own best interests...
Rural is rural, whether it is Black or White, poor, ignorant and unable to determine who and what's in their own best interests...
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The best possible thing for the party would be for Sanders to drop out after loosing 11 out of 12 states on Tues. The longer he stays in the race, the more hatred is spread by his supporters.
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He has contributed a great deal to the discourse in the Democratic primary and we all thank him for the vitality he has brought to the race. I dearly hope that my fellow young people will turn out in droves for Hillary this fall.
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We want Bernie to go all the way . If it wasn't for Bernie we would not be talking about Citizens United, criminal justice, student debt, voting rights, etc. Hillary would be talking about ISIS and what a great commander in chief she would make. Feel the Bern!
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Message to Bernie supporters: get over it.
Mr. Sanders gave it a strong effort, but he never stood a chance. Are you really sure you want to tear down Hillary at this point, when the likely alternative is Donald Trump?
Mr. Sanders gave it a strong effort, but he never stood a chance. Are you really sure you want to tear down Hillary at this point, when the likely alternative is Donald Trump?
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The populist Trump and his demagoguery will be stopped by a last ditch party elite draft of Mitt Romney to save the GOP from utter oblivion. Contrarily, If the Democrats wish to avoid their own electoral oblivion it is the party's elite and their careerism that must be stopped by the popular will of its members and the American people at large.
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What Bernie is doing is bigger than himself, which is why we are not discouraged by the blows from the DNC and media establishment.
Quite the contrary, it only strengthens the resolve. This does not begin or end with Bernie, but he's certainly the leader of a movement away from the "New Democrat" ideology that Bill Clinton brought to the Democratic Party. All Bill Clinton did was compromise with Republicans on principles because it was easier than having conviction. It lead us down a one way street with a dead end, and we are only now trying to reverse and get back to where we were.
Quite the contrary, it only strengthens the resolve. This does not begin or end with Bernie, but he's certainly the leader of a movement away from the "New Democrat" ideology that Bill Clinton brought to the Democratic Party. All Bill Clinton did was compromise with Republicans on principles because it was easier than having conviction. It lead us down a one way street with a dead end, and we are only now trying to reverse and get back to where we were.
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Counterpoint: Bernie's campaign is done.
Source: all available quantitative evidence.
Source: all available quantitative evidence.
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Now the Sanders campaign descends into the standard explanation of losers - basically, that voters are ignorant, and if voters really "knew" their candidate he would be winning. Maybe they do know Sanders as the left wing blowhard with no accomplishments that he is.
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Bernie deserves a huge debt of gratitude for pivoting the discourse in U. S. politics to the very real problems facing 99% of its citizens.
For 40 years, Republicans have fooled Americans by preaching that their biggest concerns should be cutting taxes for the rich, gun rights, abortion bans, gay marriage, fear of foreign insurgents, xenophobia, undocumented immigrants and increased military budgets.
Bernie unmasked that fakery with his list of the 99%'s real issues.
Universal healthcare for ALL Americans, outlawing political campaign bribery, affordable college and tech school education and middle class jobs.
These issues beg for answers and they will not be smothered by Republican red herring rhetoric.
Thank you, Bernie Sanders.
For 40 years, Republicans have fooled Americans by preaching that their biggest concerns should be cutting taxes for the rich, gun rights, abortion bans, gay marriage, fear of foreign insurgents, xenophobia, undocumented immigrants and increased military budgets.
Bernie unmasked that fakery with his list of the 99%'s real issues.
Universal healthcare for ALL Americans, outlawing political campaign bribery, affordable college and tech school education and middle class jobs.
These issues beg for answers and they will not be smothered by Republican red herring rhetoric.
Thank you, Bernie Sanders.
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2016: Jay Z is a great poet, Feel the Bern is a rallying cry for the presidency and one's nagging disquiet with and isolation from US media culture grows ever larger.
If the NYT really wants to show diversity in reportage, they should add pro-Trump / Cruz pieces to the anti-HRC / pro Bernie-mentum front pages.
If the NYT really wants to show diversity in reportage, they should add pro-Trump / Cruz pieces to the anti-HRC / pro Bernie-mentum front pages.
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It is never a good bet to run a party hack against a demagogue.
I'm sorry, but that's what Clinton is: long on loyalty and duty duly done; deadly short on charisma and new ideas. Sadly Breitbart has it right: Clinton is a "Broccoli Politician." I wish it were otherwise. But it is what it is. If Clinton's to be the inevitable nominee, she better practice her new Hillary Sanders speech...a lot.
Today's extended NYTimes feature piece on Clinton's role in the Libya fiasco should be required, sobering reading for all Clinton supporters.
I'm sorry, but that's what Clinton is: long on loyalty and duty duly done; deadly short on charisma and new ideas. Sadly Breitbart has it right: Clinton is a "Broccoli Politician." I wish it were otherwise. But it is what it is. If Clinton's to be the inevitable nominee, she better practice her new Hillary Sanders speech...a lot.
Today's extended NYTimes feature piece on Clinton's role in the Libya fiasco should be required, sobering reading for all Clinton supporters.
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Here's an example of how Sanders fails to connect with minority voters. In his speech after the South Carolina election, he ticked of a variety off national issues. Finally he came to the programs for "the truly disadvantaged." I expected him to talk about Food Stamps, Medicaid, local schools, affordable housing, discrimination in jobs, public services (e.g., Flint Michigan), safety, etc. But no. He only talked about raising Social Security benefits. And when he talked about "the problems of Black America," he only discussed incarceration. Now Clinton may not mean what she says about issues that disproportionately affect minorities, but at least she talks about them.
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Wow. After reading this all I can think is that the Sander's coalition really truly is the Democrats version of the Tea Party. A coalition made up of a group think mentality and narrow minded views of the world. The Sander's coalition exists in a vacuum and echo chamber, which is why they are dumb founded that their candidate is floundering.
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"African-American voters,...backed Mrs. Clinton over Mr. Sanders by roughly 6-to-1" Why is this" Why so many Black supporters for Hillary?
I believe part of the answer is because Hillary represents hope for women and for men who feel they are pushed down, because of prejudice. I believe that the next moment is a women's movement. I believe that it is by lifting women up, that we will lift the stagnant economy up.
In a video clip of her victory speech in SC, Clinton proudly referred to equal pay for equal work. I would suggest that she use a symbol. I would suggest the use of two "V" signs with both hands, together to form a "W" sign, for woman.
(Then, I would suggest inverting the "W" sign to form an "M" for man. I believe a victory for a woman in this election is a victory for men, too.)
One step for (W)oman. One giant step for (H)umankind.
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W W W W W W W W W W --- M M M M M M M M M M
I believe part of the answer is because Hillary represents hope for women and for men who feel they are pushed down, because of prejudice. I believe that the next moment is a women's movement. I believe that it is by lifting women up, that we will lift the stagnant economy up.
In a video clip of her victory speech in SC, Clinton proudly referred to equal pay for equal work. I would suggest that she use a symbol. I would suggest the use of two "V" signs with both hands, together to form a "W" sign, for woman.
(Then, I would suggest inverting the "W" sign to form an "M" for man. I believe a victory for a woman in this election is a victory for men, too.)
One step for (W)oman. One giant step for (H)umankind.
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W W W W W W W W W W --- M M M M M M M M M M
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I support Hillary, but this primary proves nothing about Bernie's electability. The Democrats aren't going to carry South Carolina anyway. It was the only state that voted for Gingrich in the Republican Primary.
I'm glad Bernie is running, because he has driven Hillary to the left. If he hadn't done that, I probably wouldn't be supporting her. Hillary for President!! Bernie for Gadfly in Chief!! or maybe Vice President.
I'm glad Bernie is running, because he has driven Hillary to the left. If he hadn't done that, I probably wouldn't be supporting her. Hillary for President!! Bernie for Gadfly in Chief!! or maybe Vice President.
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Bernie will campaign until the end of the process.
And his followers will fund him to do this.
And then he will lose the nomination.
However, he will have accomplished several things:
He has had a national platform for his views for many months.
He has gotten The Hillary to move to the left of wherever she was.
He has sparked many alienated citizens to get involved in voting and caucusing and supporting their candidate, many of them younger and many of them for the first time.
He has helped educate all of us regarding his philosophy of Socialism. Many people, especially the younger ones, have now begun to be more comfortable with this label which earlier was considered anathema in general American politics.
He has made the race, along with Trump, a lot more interesting.
And his followers will fund him to do this.
And then he will lose the nomination.
However, he will have accomplished several things:
He has had a national platform for his views for many months.
He has gotten The Hillary to move to the left of wherever she was.
He has sparked many alienated citizens to get involved in voting and caucusing and supporting their candidate, many of them younger and many of them for the first time.
He has helped educate all of us regarding his philosophy of Socialism. Many people, especially the younger ones, have now begun to be more comfortable with this label which earlier was considered anathema in general American politics.
He has made the race, along with Trump, a lot more interesting.
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Simon sez,
The money won't be there. Have you noticed that the bragging and announcements of 24 hour fundraising totals did not happen after Nevada, and have stopped happening since then?
The money has slowed. The advertising and staffing will drop off quickly. The states they can really work in will become tougher and tougher chances.
This will lead to a bigger drop off in money. smaller crowds. a change in what gets said, predicted or claimed. His speeches will get shorter.
If he is an honest guy, once he realizes he can't win, he will be unable to ask for money: already we hear less and less requests from him for money in speeches or campaign appearances.
This is what it always looks like.
And it will be heartbreaking for his supporters.
The money won't be there. Have you noticed that the bragging and announcements of 24 hour fundraising totals did not happen after Nevada, and have stopped happening since then?
The money has slowed. The advertising and staffing will drop off quickly. The states they can really work in will become tougher and tougher chances.
This will lead to a bigger drop off in money. smaller crowds. a change in what gets said, predicted or claimed. His speeches will get shorter.
If he is an honest guy, once he realizes he can't win, he will be unable to ask for money: already we hear less and less requests from him for money in speeches or campaign appearances.
This is what it always looks like.
And it will be heartbreaking for his supporters.
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This paragraph does not make any sense -- "As 9 p.m. came and went, the Sanders’s crowd’s insistence on having a good time took on an air of civil disobedience. Justin Bamberg, a state representative — who notably switched his support from Mrs. Clinton to Mr. Sanders — took the stage to thank the attendees."
What marks the switch from a "good time" to an "air of civil disobedience" -- a black elected official taking the stage? saying thank you? turning the music up? This is what I'm left to infer by your writing because thats 'll the evidence that you offer after this spurious claim.
Filing on deadline is no excuse for sloppy word choice and fallacious reasoning. Do better. Maybe by asking yourself, "why am I am choosing these metaphors or comparisons? how am I defining my terms? is there sufficient evidence to support these claims or is it just good copy? what inferences are logically drawn from the way I have written this, and is that what I mean to imply?"
What marks the switch from a "good time" to an "air of civil disobedience" -- a black elected official taking the stage? saying thank you? turning the music up? This is what I'm left to infer by your writing because thats 'll the evidence that you offer after this spurious claim.
Filing on deadline is no excuse for sloppy word choice and fallacious reasoning. Do better. Maybe by asking yourself, "why am I am choosing these metaphors or comparisons? how am I defining my terms? is there sufficient evidence to support these claims or is it just good copy? what inferences are logically drawn from the way I have written this, and is that what I mean to imply?"
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Most blacks are going to vote for the good Christian that never supported gay rights. Remember that the Clintons lied to David Geffen about their interest in gay rights. He gave them millions, but he withdrew his support after "Don't ask, don't tell." He later said that all politicians lie, but the Clintons do it with such ease that it's disturbing. The Clintons were never going to give up the black vote, so they threw gays overboard. Even in California in 2008, 70% of blacks voted against gay marriage. Bernie, an agnostic Jew, who always supported gay rights can't get the black vote. And David Geffen? Last year, he said he would support Clinton because there was nobody else and he didn't want a Republican to win. Is he really voting for the most dishonest politician he knows? He recently said he's sitting out the primaries, not fundraising for anybody. This is why voter turn out is so low. Disgust and hopelessness. Bernie would give poor black families free college education and better healthcare than medicaid (a horror). The Clintons gave black people longer prison sentences for drug possession, welfare reform, and international trade deals that left blacks 42% unemployed when Bill Clinton left effort. The Clintons also supported an unregulated mortgage market, and the Iraq war -- all these things destroyed blacks disproportionately. But they're good Christians, those Clintons, and "we know them."
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Low voter turnout in South Carolina had best wake up Democrats.
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It's understandable some Hillary supporters have a weak understanding of Glass-Steagall and securities fraud; of the Public Utility Holding Company Act, repealed by the Bush administration in 2005, and their soaring electricity bills.
But if they care at all about preserving what's left of a middle class they should listen to people who do. Bernie's only problem is he doesn't go far enough.
But if they care at all about preserving what's left of a middle class they should listen to people who do. Bernie's only problem is he doesn't go far enough.
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Clinton and Trump are both the proverbial box of chocolates. You never know what you're going to get.
With Hillary, from day to day you don't know where she stands. One day she's mocking Bernie's positions, the next day her victory speech is lifted word for word from Bernie's stump speech (because it's what people want, she'll pretend to be for it).
A vote for Hillary is a guaranteed vote for more of the same. 18 months ago, this is where she was:
"Hillary Clinton tacks right: praises Bush, criticizes Obama, cozies up to Wall Street" ~~ July 28. 2014
http://theweek.com/speedreads/449196/hillary-clinton-tacks-right-praises...
It's right where she'll be if she gets the nomination and feels she can take the Democrats (30% of electorate) for granted. She needs independent voters to win, but tied for unfavorability with Trump, she's not going to get that.
Trump has no interest in governing. There's absolutely no telling what a Trump administration will be like, other people will do the actual governing. Best case, it will be a pleasant surprise.
Worst case, it moves us to an Elizabeth Warren presidency in 2020. I'll take either over Clinton
With Hillary, from day to day you don't know where she stands. One day she's mocking Bernie's positions, the next day her victory speech is lifted word for word from Bernie's stump speech (because it's what people want, she'll pretend to be for it).
A vote for Hillary is a guaranteed vote for more of the same. 18 months ago, this is where she was:
"Hillary Clinton tacks right: praises Bush, criticizes Obama, cozies up to Wall Street" ~~ July 28. 2014
http://theweek.com/speedreads/449196/hillary-clinton-tacks-right-praises...
It's right where she'll be if she gets the nomination and feels she can take the Democrats (30% of electorate) for granted. She needs independent voters to win, but tied for unfavorability with Trump, she's not going to get that.
Trump has no interest in governing. There's absolutely no telling what a Trump administration will be like, other people will do the actual governing. Best case, it will be a pleasant surprise.
Worst case, it moves us to an Elizabeth Warren presidency in 2020. I'll take either over Clinton
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"One day she's mocking Bernie's positions, the next day her victory speech is lifted word for word from Bernie's stump speech (because it's what people want, she'll pretend to be for it)."
Very disturbing. We're witnessing a wolf in sheep's clothing, which the transcripts will prove.
Very disturbing. We're witnessing a wolf in sheep's clothing, which the transcripts will prove.
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The sad truth is that Bernie Sanders' success owes a lot to the GOP anger machine. Thanks to the Echoplex (right wing media), having a credible path to implementing policy is less important than generating an emotional response to heartfelt concerns (also Trump’s big idea). Bernie is simply too early. People aren’t quite angry enough. The revolution is still a few cycles away, but becomes more likely if the GOP continues down its current path.
"Bernie is simply too early"?
For who? Those who already put their kids in college, have employee health coverage and didn't get laid off, due to Wall Street's mess?
People are committing suicide and experiencing early deaths, in unprecedented rates. If you live in a working class community, you don't need a study to show us this. It's on our Facebook pages! Bernie's message is too LATE for the majority of Americans. Most, and their children, will have a bleak future ahead: No retirement savings, no affordable healthcare, work up until death.
For who? Those who already put their kids in college, have employee health coverage and didn't get laid off, due to Wall Street's mess?
People are committing suicide and experiencing early deaths, in unprecedented rates. If you live in a working class community, you don't need a study to show us this. It's on our Facebook pages! Bernie's message is too LATE for the majority of Americans. Most, and their children, will have a bleak future ahead: No retirement savings, no affordable healthcare, work up until death.
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Bernie and Hillary need to unite. How can either of them alone beat Trump? Trump has a 50-100% lead over his rivals. Nobody is close to him, he is an anti-politician in a year when voters are clamoring for that and he has a skill for spot on furious counterpunching when attacked - like when Hillary brought in Bill but accused Trump of sexism. Trump is going to do that on a thousand things if he faces Hillary. Dems need to get their act together to have a chance in November.
Unite? Bernie should endorse Hillary but Hillary cannot pick a 74 year old socialist from Vermont to be VP. He probably won't work for Hillary's campaign at all. There is no history of him really working hard to get anyone elected. He is a selfish one party guy. No one is going to emerge out of his campaign as an up and coming star. He will fade back into the woodwork of the Senate, a tax-payer funded pasture.
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Tuesday I'll be voting for Bernie. South Carolina will have no impact on my vote.
What the Sanders/Clinton primary has shown though, and it is unfortunate, is that the Democratic Party's primary voters are as racially divided as the US is as a whole. I suspect that whether it is Hillary or Bernie who wins the nomination many of the losers' voters will stay home come election day.
Not a good thing.
What the Sanders/Clinton primary has shown though, and it is unfortunate, is that the Democratic Party's primary voters are as racially divided as the US is as a whole. I suspect that whether it is Hillary or Bernie who wins the nomination many of the losers' voters will stay home come election day.
Not a good thing.
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So, the Clinton camp now promotes the narrative that since Clinton handily won South Carolina, and will likely win most of the south, that Sanders should drop out. No way, Clinton.
Sanders can, should and will take this all the way to the end. He's going to do well just about everywhere else - the northeast, the midwest and the west coast. His support will continue to growth. And, with Trump the ever-likelier GOP nominee, polls will increasingly show that Clinton would lose to Trump, but Sanders would handily beat Trump.
So, Clinton camp, hold your horses; you'll be further revising downward your coronation narrative, yet again, in the weeks ahead.
Sanders can, should and will take this all the way to the end. He's going to do well just about everywhere else - the northeast, the midwest and the west coast. His support will continue to growth. And, with Trump the ever-likelier GOP nominee, polls will increasingly show that Clinton would lose to Trump, but Sanders would handily beat Trump.
So, Clinton camp, hold your horses; you'll be further revising downward your coronation narrative, yet again, in the weeks ahead.
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Sanders is running a campaign with what are essentially dishonest projections as to their cost. If he were to be in a general election the republicans would destroy him by showing the cost to the average tax payer. He is promising things like "free college for everyone" that he can't pay for. I was young once too and supported George McGovern, an honorable man who lost 49 States with a program the public wouldn't buy into instead of Ed Muskie. AT that time people still split their ballots and the Democrats kept the House and Senate. Today a candidate like Sanders could completely wipe out the national Democratic party for a generation. Progress is often slowly achieved. Sanders, even in the totally unlikely event he could be elected would never get his program through the republican House. Also, there is the possibility of several Supreme Court nominations in the near future. A Sanders loss would give the Republicans the Court for our lifetime. A Sanders vote is one of those votes where a voter congratulates him or herself for how pure they are rather than actually accomplishing something. The people who voted for Nader elected George Bush.
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Wanna talk about how we ended up with Nixon? Stop talking about Sanders as George McGovern, and consider Hillary as another Hubert Humphrey. The Democratic Party machine gave us 1968.
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Here's what I take away from the South Carolina win:
Because the black vote skews older and female (for some really depressing reasons, including over-incarceration of black men), Clinton got a victory.
But South Carolina never, ever goes Democratic in the national elections. We have a winner-take-all electoral college, for better or worse, so South Carolina doesn't matter, for better or worse. People who are thinking strategically about who can win for the Democrats in the fall need to think, well, strategically, and they should be looking at two things: who does better in the national polls vs. Republicans (clearly Bernie) and who does better in the swing states (currently a toss-up.) Those are the votes that matter.
Because the black vote skews older and female (for some really depressing reasons, including over-incarceration of black men), Clinton got a victory.
But South Carolina never, ever goes Democratic in the national elections. We have a winner-take-all electoral college, for better or worse, so South Carolina doesn't matter, for better or worse. People who are thinking strategically about who can win for the Democrats in the fall need to think, well, strategically, and they should be looking at two things: who does better in the national polls vs. Republicans (clearly Bernie) and who does better in the swing states (currently a toss-up.) Those are the votes that matter.
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Bernies platform has much more to offer minorities than Mrs. Clintons.
Free education, single payer health care and less war is a platform minorities should get behind.
Free education, single payer health care and less war is a platform minorities should get behind.
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What drives me Crazy is the vitriol that Sanders supports spew about Hillary Clinton. She has flaws, but, unfortunately, Sanders has just as many that will effect his chances in a general election. Republicans have kept pretty quiet about Sanders so far, but if the label "socialist" doesn't worry Sanders supporters, there are millions of low information voters out there (look at Trump supporters) who can easily be convinced that " socialism" and Sanders are both unAmerican and sinister. So don't tell me how few negatives Sanders has, when many people know little or nothing about him. I would gladly vote for Sanders if he becomes the Democratic candidate, but when I listen to the stuff Sanders supporters spew, I wonder if they remember who the real opponent is. Most of Clinton and Sanders positions are similar. To behave as if Clinton is the enemy when the Republican field is full of men,who given a chance will gut women's rights and turn the country over to the Koch brothers with a ribbon around it, is rank stupidity. So vote for and work for Sanders, but take a hard look at your priorities. Worry about defeating the Republicans. if Sanders, doesn't get the Democratic nomination, get behind the person who does, but keep working toward spreading The message of the Sanders program. In 2000, 5% of the votes found Gore insufficiently pure and voted for Ralph Nader. If Sanders supporters do the same thing, I hope you like President Trump more than you liked George Bush.
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Please give me one example of something the Republicans "have kept pretty quiet about" Sanders about.
I'm intrigued because they're not usually known for their reticence in digging up, making up and using any old thing against their opposition, or each other - the dirtier the better - the last GOP debate (de-base?_ a case in point.
Really, I'm interested..
I'm intrigued because they're not usually known for their reticence in digging up, making up and using any old thing against their opposition, or each other - the dirtier the better - the last GOP debate (de-base?_ a case in point.
Really, I'm interested..
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Red herring!
Bernie's made it clear that he's not going to run as a third-party candidate, and he alone can mobilize the white, blue-collar voters, along with the youth and independents, that Hillary will need in the general election.
None of those constituencies are impressed by Hillary's scolds. They know that oligarchy with a c%nt is no better than lipstick on a pig -- and they're immune being called "misogynist" when they'd gladly vote for Elizabeth Warren. So there!
Bernie's made it clear that he's not going to run as a third-party candidate, and he alone can mobilize the white, blue-collar voters, along with the youth and independents, that Hillary will need in the general election.
None of those constituencies are impressed by Hillary's scolds. They know that oligarchy with a c%nt is no better than lipstick on a pig -- and they're immune being called "misogynist" when they'd gladly vote for Elizabeth Warren. So there!
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As Hillary Clinton was winning her decisive victory in South Carolina yesterday, my husband and I joined a crowd of 10,000 for a last minute Bernie Sanders rally in Austin that was announced just the night before. The line to get in extended well over a mile. There are many things I will remember about the day:
People of all ages and races, including lots of children and Bernie babies
A shiny red Austin Biplane flying overhead adding a festive touch
Grupo Fantasma playing for the crowd
The Secret Service looking us over behind dark glasses as we gathered along a fence waiting for Bernie to arrive
David Bowie's Starman
People calling out spontaneously “We love you Bernie” and “Please don't give up”
Bernie and the crowd singing This Land is Your Land with Woodie Guthrie's granddaughter, Sarah Lee Guthrie, at the end of the rally
The new lyrics added just for him: “If you want a good candidate, Bernie Sanders is the man to get”
The joy of discovering that our son, a recent graduate of the LBJ School of Public Affairs, was there too and had been asked to stand with a group behind Bernie onstage
As Bernie said in closing: “It's about community, not selfishness. It's about love, not hate.”
People of all ages and races, including lots of children and Bernie babies
A shiny red Austin Biplane flying overhead adding a festive touch
Grupo Fantasma playing for the crowd
The Secret Service looking us over behind dark glasses as we gathered along a fence waiting for Bernie to arrive
David Bowie's Starman
People calling out spontaneously “We love you Bernie” and “Please don't give up”
Bernie and the crowd singing This Land is Your Land with Woodie Guthrie's granddaughter, Sarah Lee Guthrie, at the end of the rally
The new lyrics added just for him: “If you want a good candidate, Bernie Sanders is the man to get”
The joy of discovering that our son, a recent graduate of the LBJ School of Public Affairs, was there too and had been asked to stand with a group behind Bernie onstage
As Bernie said in closing: “It's about community, not selfishness. It's about love, not hate.”
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Why does the South Carolina primary even matter for the Dems ? South Carolina and the rest of the deep south (not including FLA which of course is not "deep south", except only geographically), will be in the Repubs column
just as California and the rest of the west coast will go to the Dems in the general election. This story of the primary in South Carolina is a non starter for the Democratic party.
just as California and the rest of the west coast will go to the Dems in the general election. This story of the primary in South Carolina is a non starter for the Democratic party.
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Don Max, you really need to read up on how it all works, why the black vote is important, how every state matters, how wins in November occur. The primaries are an important step for each side to get out their voters, to make contact with people who care about their issues.
Black and Hispanic votes, gay and lesbian votes and women's votes together make up most of the votes of the democratic party and are definitely the most reliably democratic votes. FDR knew that, LBJ and JFK knew that, and the Clintons and Obamas know it.
Black and Hispanic votes, gay and lesbian votes and women's votes together make up most of the votes of the democratic party and are definitely the most reliably democratic votes. FDR knew that, LBJ and JFK knew that, and the Clintons and Obamas know it.
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Rima Regas says, "So, yeah... The fat lady is still in the wings, gargling with tea and honey (Charles Blow paraphrase.)" What a disgraceful way to speak about one of the most admired women in the world, Ms. Regas. Do you know Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton? If not, how can you hate her so much? It boggles the mind. One can disagree without being hateful and we need much more civil disagreement in today's world not hateful things like this directed at the MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE WITH THE MOST NATIONAL AND INTERNATIONAL POLITICAL CAPITAL who happens to be a WOMAN - Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1678/Most-Admired-Man-Woman.aspx
http://www.gallup.com/poll/1678/Most-Admired-Man-Woman.aspx
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#1: Crush the Republicans.
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Why even have primaries if just a few voters in a handful of states can prove decisive?
Take a national statistical sample via poll and declare a winner.
Or, even quicker, just summarily install the Oligarchy's anointed puppet and dispense with these tiresome campaigns and clumsily rigged elections, entirely.
Take a national statistical sample via poll and declare a winner.
Or, even quicker, just summarily install the Oligarchy's anointed puppet and dispense with these tiresome campaigns and clumsily rigged elections, entirely.
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Thanks to Senator Bernie Sanders for pointing out the flaws in OUR governments and society today. 90% of us suffer from the huge economic disparities he talks about. He has been in the U.S. Congress for over 30 years. What did he and other liberal elites do to stop this situation from getting so dire? They went along. Meantime, Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton has been out in the world, speaking to women around the globe about unleashing the power of women, learning about societies and helping find solutions to social ills of all kinds. Senator Sanders knows that his ideas, while valid, are a long way from fruition in America because they call for a complete retooling of capitalism. We are in the grips of democracy-destroying BIG money masters and he must stop attacking Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton and start attacking the real criminals - those who own and support republican operatives at every level in most governments in America. Come on, Senator Sanders, get your revolutionaries to actually DO SOMETHING meaningful to restore democracy in America.
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Ludicrous, almost delusional, dissembling...line after line of fallacies.
If you think voting for war is a smart way to *DO SOMETHING* then I feel sorry for you.
If you think voting for war is a smart way to *DO SOMETHING* then I feel sorry for you.
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I feel sorry for all the young people and disenfranchised who are being duped by Senator Sanders if they believe he can magically make his ideas happen right away. His is a 100 year democrat/independent platform and the people who now support him will turn on him with a vengeance when he can't deliver on his promises. We do not need more fuel to feed the "rebellion" attitude today. We need thoughtful, action-directed democrats and independents to get control of our governments through elections and restore democracy. Words are cheap - WE need action.
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taopraxis, concise analysis.
It just goes to show, that the delusions run deep into the Democratic party, as well. Dems were silenced by GWB and Cheney, who manipulatively called us "unpatriotic" when we dared to speak. We are now speaking up, thanks to Bernie, and it's our own party members, trying to override our real concerns with double speak:
- Pandering to Wall Street = good for income inequality.
- Being on the wrong side of history = great for America.
- Against gay marriage in 2013 = is progressive.
- Voting for war = Global respect.
- The same corporations who support the GOP, support Hillary = win, win for us!
It just goes to show, that the delusions run deep into the Democratic party, as well. Dems were silenced by GWB and Cheney, who manipulatively called us "unpatriotic" when we dared to speak. We are now speaking up, thanks to Bernie, and it's our own party members, trying to override our real concerns with double speak:
- Pandering to Wall Street = good for income inequality.
- Being on the wrong side of history = great for America.
- Against gay marriage in 2013 = is progressive.
- Voting for war = Global respect.
- The same corporations who support the GOP, support Hillary = win, win for us!
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bernie should drop out and support Hillary. This election is too important to listen to his rants.
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Hillary won big in SC and Bernie won big in NH. The difference. Hillary was supposed to win big in both States. The party isn't over folks. Hillary is never going to win in SC in the general election. She needs New Hampshire. Let's see how things shape up in the States that matter before crowning the heir apparent, not to Obama, but to Bush because after reading about Hillary's actions with Libya we can see that Bush and his neo-con foreign policy is the program she's ready to re-impose in America.
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Tea-partiers deny science.
Bernie maniacs deny math.
And there's way-too-much ugliness in the reaction of some of those Bernie-maniacs to Clinton's victory (including some of the almost dog-whistle like comments to this story) for me not to see another similarity with the tea-partiers.
Bernie maniacs deny math.
And there's way-too-much ugliness in the reaction of some of those Bernie-maniacs to Clinton's victory (including some of the almost dog-whistle like comments to this story) for me not to see another similarity with the tea-partiers.
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umm its not a math issue, nor realism nor incrementalism-pragmatism. It is the issue of conscience and essence of liberalism and progressive thinking.
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Vague sound bites, similar to conservatives.
According to your math: "we can't", Meanwhile the facts show that the rest of the developed world enjoys universal healthcare, many countries have free college/training programs, a year of maternity/paternity leave, 6 weeks vacation, but most importantly, the income inequality is much lower than ours, so their citizens can make a living wage. Those kinds of benefits cannot come about from a candidate who takes money from Wall Street.
The US can have it, but you have to vote for it.
According to your math: "we can't", Meanwhile the facts show that the rest of the developed world enjoys universal healthcare, many countries have free college/training programs, a year of maternity/paternity leave, 6 weeks vacation, but most importantly, the income inequality is much lower than ours, so their citizens can make a living wage. Those kinds of benefits cannot come about from a candidate who takes money from Wall Street.
The US can have it, but you have to vote for it.
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Take a look at this video to see an example of a lifetime of sincere, honest and real dedication to ALL the people of the United States.
https://youtu.be/RU3NKvvxcSs
https://youtu.be/RU3NKvvxcSs
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Wow!! Beyond inspiring.
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What can I say to that? I'll be going door-to-door for Bernie today in Virginia, just like I did yesterday. It keeps me warm.
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A few days ago the Times had a front page graph showing a projection of how Trump will likely fare. He would win Super Tuesday and then lose all the rest and Rubio would win in the end.
The same scenario is likely with Clinton. She will win the deep south but lose all the rest and Bernie will win in the end... so long as the super delegates follow the will of the voting people. That's a big question since those delegate are the "party" people.
The same scenario is likely with Clinton. She will win the deep south but lose all the rest and Bernie will win in the end... so long as the super delegates follow the will of the voting people. That's a big question since those delegate are the "party" people.
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What a Catch-22.... If college education was as widespread as high school education in South Carolina, Hillary would probably not be riding high today.
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Most of the complaints from the HRC campaign about Sanders concern the attitude of the Sanders supporters, variously described as rude, tenacious, nasty, etc. Not much complaint about the candidate himself. Most of the complaints from the Sanders campaign center on the character HRC and her positions. To me it's a profound difference- one group brings into question the supporters. One, the candidate.
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Why such vitriol about Hillary? We love Bernie but if he isn't the nominee, it's just so amazingly childish to refuse to vote for the very well-qualified alternative. There is much too much at stake! Please don't let Trump or Rubio or any of that ghastly gang of Republicans win the presidency. Please.
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South Carolina has a large population of poorly educated, uninformed citizens disinterested in public policy. It's no surprise that the majority of primary goers voted for Clinton simply because they have heard the name before. Look at the incompetent, uneducated buffoons they elect & re-elect to their local & state offices.
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When Bernie loses the nomination, he'll take the book deal, the book tour, and now that he actually has name recognition, he'll hit the speech circuit, too. Like the rest of us, he has a family to provide for. Money is necessary, and speaking fees come in handy.
Holier-than-thou sticks in people's throats. Especially when it's so obvious that he's relishing his new celebrity status after years of obscurity. Sanders' arrogance is repugnant, and the angry and hateful conduct of his naive supporters is repulsive.
Bernie's challenges are far more than trying to acquire a reasonable amount of black votes.He has socialism to deal with, and Judaism. So far this paper has done two articles on his religious background. The first was typical -- how do Jews feel about his candidacy? The truth is, it matters little what Jews think about it, or Jews arguing among themselves about what "kind" of Jew he is. What matters is what Christians -- Protestants and Catholics -- think of his Jewish background. And from my experiences, study of anti-Semitism in America, as well as 2000 years of Christian persecution of Jews, anti-Semitism runs very deep in Christian theology, and in Christians. It doesn't have to be overt, or even named. It's part of the package taught from birth.
If Sanders supporters believe his Judaism is irrelevant, they have a big surprise in store. Forget black votes for a minute, and ask yourselves about the "liberal" Christian vote.
Not pretty, if history is any measure.
Holier-than-thou sticks in people's throats. Especially when it's so obvious that he's relishing his new celebrity status after years of obscurity. Sanders' arrogance is repugnant, and the angry and hateful conduct of his naive supporters is repulsive.
Bernie's challenges are far more than trying to acquire a reasonable amount of black votes.He has socialism to deal with, and Judaism. So far this paper has done two articles on his religious background. The first was typical -- how do Jews feel about his candidacy? The truth is, it matters little what Jews think about it, or Jews arguing among themselves about what "kind" of Jew he is. What matters is what Christians -- Protestants and Catholics -- think of his Jewish background. And from my experiences, study of anti-Semitism in America, as well as 2000 years of Christian persecution of Jews, anti-Semitism runs very deep in Christian theology, and in Christians. It doesn't have to be overt, or even named. It's part of the package taught from birth.
If Sanders supporters believe his Judaism is irrelevant, they have a big surprise in store. Forget black votes for a minute, and ask yourselves about the "liberal" Christian vote.
Not pretty, if history is any measure.
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Some people say "zealot" like it's a bad thing. BERNIE!
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I'm an ardent Hillary supporter, and can't help but notice a certain amount of misogyny & racism in these comments. (Oh - if only black people understood Bernie, they'd automatically vote for him?) Uh - not necessarily.
Those of us who support Hillary know that the "trustworthy" thing was cooked up - complete fabrication - by Republicans twenty years ago. Their persistence in pushing that meme has persuaded low-information Bernie voters that it's true (it isn't).
She's a great candidate, who will be a great President. Bernie's running a good race, but needs to stop attacking her. I know he hasn't been a Democrat for very long, but he shouldn't help the Republicans just because his ego's been bruised.
Those of us who support Hillary know that the "trustworthy" thing was cooked up - complete fabrication - by Republicans twenty years ago. Their persistence in pushing that meme has persuaded low-information Bernie voters that it's true (it isn't).
She's a great candidate, who will be a great President. Bernie's running a good race, but needs to stop attacking her. I know he hasn't been a Democrat for very long, but he shouldn't help the Republicans just because his ego's been bruised.
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Sanders' supporters can remain willfully optimistic if they wish, but barring a catastrophe this primary is effectively over. Hopefully we can soon unite against our common foe Donald Trump as nothing could be worse than having him as POTUS.
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Why should South Carolina be so important to Democrats--a state that hasn't voted blue since 1960? And, for that matter, Georgia, Alabama, Tennessee, Arkansas, Texas, and Oklahoma? You have this conservative firewall (read progressive) that gives people like Clinton and Obama an edge--an aura of inevitability, which does not reflect the preference of the rank and file Democratic voter. In 2008, you had two progressives (conservative) contenders duking it out in the South, whose Democratic primary voters just happened to be black-- well, guess where they inevitably ended up in whose camp?
By the time a liberal like Bernie Sanders gets to states where he could be strong, the pundits are all saying that he's so far behind in the delegate count, it will be hard to stop the progressive.
I think that the Democratic Party should move the states that it has a chance of carrying in November to the super Tuesday round and leave these others for another time.
And, I am not saying discount the South. On Super Tuesday, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina should be included.
I will conclude by saying that even though this set up might be adopted, in all likelihood, Clinton would still stand a good chance of winning, but you will have a much more accurate picture of where the Democratic Party stands in regards to its preference.
By the time a liberal like Bernie Sanders gets to states where he could be strong, the pundits are all saying that he's so far behind in the delegate count, it will be hard to stop the progressive.
I think that the Democratic Party should move the states that it has a chance of carrying in November to the super Tuesday round and leave these others for another time.
And, I am not saying discount the South. On Super Tuesday, Florida, Virginia, North Carolina should be included.
I will conclude by saying that even though this set up might be adopted, in all likelihood, Clinton would still stand a good chance of winning, but you will have a much more accurate picture of where the Democratic Party stands in regards to its preference.
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Mr. Sanders expected this loss so it is no surprise.
His candidacy was not expected to last this long so naturally his team was unprepared to mount a serious challenge to Hillary.
Now Sanders must put extra effort to explain to Black and Latino voters why his platform offers more hope for better jobs, less income equality than Hillary's does.
I hope he sticks to his principles of not taking corporate or PAC money. His strong showing so far has given hope to millions that money cannot buy everything in America. If he wins but after taking money from lobbyists and corporate entities, then he would have betrayed the hopes of millions.
Sometimes it is not the winning but how you win is what counts. I am counting on him to stay true to his principles. And I am dreaming of Elizabeth Warren as his running mate if he wins the nomination.
His candidacy was not expected to last this long so naturally his team was unprepared to mount a serious challenge to Hillary.
Now Sanders must put extra effort to explain to Black and Latino voters why his platform offers more hope for better jobs, less income equality than Hillary's does.
I hope he sticks to his principles of not taking corporate or PAC money. His strong showing so far has given hope to millions that money cannot buy everything in America. If he wins but after taking money from lobbyists and corporate entities, then he would have betrayed the hopes of millions.
Sometimes it is not the winning but how you win is what counts. I am counting on him to stay true to his principles. And I am dreaming of Elizabeth Warren as his running mate if he wins the nomination.
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This is an important article. It fully describes Hillary Clinton's proclivity for war in the the middle east. If for no other reason, her hawk like positions should prevent all US citizens from voting for her for president. Her record shows that she is trigger happy and gets us deeper and deeper involved in the terrors of war.
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Most of this optimism is magical thinking. The fact is that Sanders not only lost South Carolina, he was humiliated. And that happened because he made no serious effort to win Black votes, nor is he doing so elsewhere. It's not just a problem of Clinton name recognition. It's a larger problem with the Sanders campaign: he doesn't know how to talk to Black voters and he doesn't seem to care. A truly professional campaign would seek to correct this, but he sulks on university campuses. No Democratic candidate can win the nomination without substantial Black support, and no candidate should.
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Sanders has completely supported the black community and all communities, past and present. It's obvious that you have not bothered to actually look into his record, and let's be honest, what are the chances that the majority of black voters for Clinton, have done the same? He's a new name, but Hillary cannot match Sander's record. Not even close.
Sanders is terrible at bragging about his civil rights work. He's terrible at pandering to specific groups, thankfully. But, he understands the plight of the black communities more than any other candidate and is the only candidate to vote against legislation which has wreaked havoc on their communities.
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3NKvvxcSs&feature=youtu.be
Sanders is terrible at bragging about his civil rights work. He's terrible at pandering to specific groups, thankfully. But, he understands the plight of the black communities more than any other candidate and is the only candidate to vote against legislation which has wreaked havoc on their communities.
http://www.thenation.com/article/hillary-clinton-does-not-deserve-black-...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3NKvvxcSs&feature=youtu.be
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Clinton was expected to win by 25 points, but actually won with a margin of 47. That tells me that Bernie has a much bigger problem than "some work to do with African American voters."
Clinton may not be a perfect candidate, but she's intelligent, quick on her feet and knows how to get things done. Sanders has never dealt with the Washington bureaucracy, and will be learning a lot on the job. Yes, she's taken in lots of campaign contributions, but that's pretty much required if you're going to win an election.
And FWIW, I don't think that Sanders is electable at all. Large sections of this country aren't going to vote for a socialist. Period.
Clinton may not be a perfect candidate, but she's intelligent, quick on her feet and knows how to get things done. Sanders has never dealt with the Washington bureaucracy, and will be learning a lot on the job. Yes, she's taken in lots of campaign contributions, but that's pretty much required if you're going to win an election.
And FWIW, I don't think that Sanders is electable at all. Large sections of this country aren't going to vote for a socialist. Period.
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It ain't over till it's over. Sanders may yet pull the rabbit out of the hat. Around the country people are wearing t-shirts that say "anybody but Hillary."
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It is certainly bemusing that so many young people are so certain they know so much more about how politics works than people who have lived through many campaigns--to the point that they are insulting toward those they would persuade. Too many of them have bought into the carefully cultivated Republican narrative about Hillary and certainly don't appreciate how far outside the national mainstream Bernie is, with his avowed anti-capitalism and history of support for leftist dictators. Beyond rehashing the ideological history of the 20th century, his advocacy of higher taxes is a losing position.
It doesn't matter how pure and revolutionary your candidate is if he is unelectable.
It doesn't matter how pure and revolutionary your candidate is if he is unelectable.
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Your first sentence defined your continued opinions. Bernie IS NOT anti capitalism, he is for democratic socialism which means capitalism is true check and balances that are GONE in this pure GREED and the ones with the most money get all opportunity and benefits of capitalism.
Bernie supports leftists dictators? is what USA labels any elected official of another nation who does not tow the line of USA imperalism and goals to support multinational corporate interests around the world. Do your homework from l950 in Syria, Iran ......l973 Chile and read Disaster Capitalism: Shock Doctrine for eastern Europe coups.
Also, I am so glad to live in Oregon and being on West Coast but we are always completely ignored in elections.
Bernie supports leftists dictators? is what USA labels any elected official of another nation who does not tow the line of USA imperalism and goals to support multinational corporate interests around the world. Do your homework from l950 in Syria, Iran ......l973 Chile and read Disaster Capitalism: Shock Doctrine for eastern Europe coups.
Also, I am so glad to live in Oregon and being on West Coast but we are always completely ignored in elections.
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Despite the fact that I believe Bernie Sanders has virtually no chance at winning the nomination, nor do I think his plan for governing is realistic, I hope he stays in the race and keeps plugging. Ironically, it is not just healthy but NECESSARY for the Democratic Party to continue to have a bare-fisted dialogue on policy for several more months. Hillary Clinton isn't hurt by Bernie Sanders' challenge to her, she's HELPED by it. It fosters interest, it diverts from idiocies like "eMail" and "Benghazi" to REAL issues. It keeps the media attention from being TOTALLY focused on the Republican cage fight. The last thing the Democrats want is to be the "Washington Generals" to the Republicans' "Harlem Globetrotters" (ie, designated foils).
So I hope Bernie soldiers on.
So I hope Bernie soldiers on.
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"Supporters at the Sanders watch party agreed with the contrast Killer Mike drew and implied that Mrs. Clinton’s concern for black voters was not genuine."
The personal invective against a woman the people of South Carolina so clearly respect is a good reason why they were beaten so badly. Had they been polite it might have been less of a rout and less humiliating. As it is, they sure inspired people to come out and show them they are wrong. So let them keep it up and they will personally hand Hillary Clinton a primary landslide...rather than just letting her win with an easy margin.
Hillary Clinton learns from her mistakes. Do the Sanders supporters? Can they make the turn from enemy to co-Democrat for the good of the people they say they care about? I sure hope so. We need them for the serious battles ahead. You know, the ones with the GOP!! (whom I think we may have seen here under the guise of Sanders supporters- the fox news crib-sheets give them away). Fingers crossed.
The personal invective against a woman the people of South Carolina so clearly respect is a good reason why they were beaten so badly. Had they been polite it might have been less of a rout and less humiliating. As it is, they sure inspired people to come out and show them they are wrong. So let them keep it up and they will personally hand Hillary Clinton a primary landslide...rather than just letting her win with an easy margin.
Hillary Clinton learns from her mistakes. Do the Sanders supporters? Can they make the turn from enemy to co-Democrat for the good of the people they say they care about? I sure hope so. We need them for the serious battles ahead. You know, the ones with the GOP!! (whom I think we may have seen here under the guise of Sanders supporters- the fox news crib-sheets give them away). Fingers crossed.
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I'm not sure I understand how Bernie losing, even badly losing, in a state that won't vote democratic in a general election, is an indication that Bernie is the less strong candidate?
So far, if I understand it correctly. Hillary's only advantage is in very older voters, and middle age to older African American voters. Bernie seems to have held his own with hispanics (and growing), whites in general, and overwhelmingly the favorite of younger people.
How does this translate into a Clinton coronation?
When the primaries get out of the republican south, that's when I'd look to see Bernie's momentum start translating into victories.
I'm not against Hillary as a candidate, as far as candidates go. But only Bernie Sanders is really offering the country a chance to break the corrupt stranglehold monied interests have on our society.
How could any informed person not support Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton?
Bernie or Hillary, will at least maintain forward movement in the country as a whole, and particularly the supreme court. Whereas Trump is, I think, the least retrogressive of the GOP (not saying much, I know).
So far, if I understand it correctly. Hillary's only advantage is in very older voters, and middle age to older African American voters. Bernie seems to have held his own with hispanics (and growing), whites in general, and overwhelmingly the favorite of younger people.
How does this translate into a Clinton coronation?
When the primaries get out of the republican south, that's when I'd look to see Bernie's momentum start translating into victories.
I'm not against Hillary as a candidate, as far as candidates go. But only Bernie Sanders is really offering the country a chance to break the corrupt stranglehold monied interests have on our society.
How could any informed person not support Bernie Sanders over Hillary Clinton?
Bernie or Hillary, will at least maintain forward movement in the country as a whole, and particularly the supreme court. Whereas Trump is, I think, the least retrogressive of the GOP (not saying much, I know).
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No it doesn't! This country is struggling or at least the humans who live here are. HRC is the candidate of the big corporations and the powerful elite no matter what the results in SC seem to say. We have a chance here to make a difference but billionaires and corporations don't want that. But we will keep making the case a case that must be made. GO Bernie!
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While much attention is given to the dysfunction of the Republican Party, the Democratic party has been pushing for their entrenched candidate all along and ignoring what many in and out of it's party want. Debbie Wasserman has been virtually shoving Hillary down everyone's throat, therefore, it's inevitable that Hillary will be the candidate of the the Dems. But just as this election cycle should be a wake-up call for the GOP; it should also be a wake-up call for the Dems as well.
I'm an independent and hope that Bernie's still around so that I can finally vote for someone rather than take the lesser of two evils or vote against someone.
I'm an independent and hope that Bernie's still around so that I can finally vote for someone rather than take the lesser of two evils or vote against someone.
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Weren't they also whooping it up right before the Titanic went down?
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Trump just got closer to winning the election.
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Fewer than 400,000 people voted in the South Carolina Democratic primary, which is less than 15% of the Democratic voters in the state. Clinton won a decisive victory there among a relatively small number of citizens, just as Sanders did in New Hampshire. It's a little early to to say Clinton's nomination is inevitable and not surprising that Sander's supporters haven't given up. Both have some strengths and I haven't made up my mind yet whom I'll vote for. Like a lot of voters I'll decide on Super Tuesday.
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Dave P,
your vote won't matter much in VT on Tuesday. Bernie will have a lopsided win there whether you vote or not, and Vermont's 16 delegates won't change the outcome of this nomination fight. Vernont's going for Bernie on Tuesday will get a minute or two of coverage in amongst news of Hillary's big wins across the south and the trickier states of MA and OK and MN.
But you are wrong about the importance of the win yesterday in SC and the importance of the vote the other day in NV: these slowed Bernie to a standstill. He lost all his momentum. Have you noticed the campaign no longer announces how much they have raised in the past twenty four hours?
He has only a couple days of his campaign left. Only a few states left. Layoffs will start soon. Advertising money will be gone soon. crowds will shrink. The message will change. His 60 and 90 minute speeches will hollow out, getting shorter and shorter.
they are gasping for air now.
your vote won't matter much in VT on Tuesday. Bernie will have a lopsided win there whether you vote or not, and Vermont's 16 delegates won't change the outcome of this nomination fight. Vernont's going for Bernie on Tuesday will get a minute or two of coverage in amongst news of Hillary's big wins across the south and the trickier states of MA and OK and MN.
But you are wrong about the importance of the win yesterday in SC and the importance of the vote the other day in NV: these slowed Bernie to a standstill. He lost all his momentum. Have you noticed the campaign no longer announces how much they have raised in the past twenty four hours?
He has only a couple days of his campaign left. Only a few states left. Layoffs will start soon. Advertising money will be gone soon. crowds will shrink. The message will change. His 60 and 90 minute speeches will hollow out, getting shorter and shorter.
they are gasping for air now.
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So some black voters didn't do their homework. Surprise! How may Americans of any stripe don't do their homework or get their info from hate media which dominates the red parts of the US map. This is how we got the Bush crowd, who stole not only this country blind but trashed the planet for decades to come. The question now is, how can it ever recover by just moving incrementally in the right direction. We didn't get here by moving incrementally in the wrong direction.
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Neither Hillary or Bernie has a chance of winning South Carolina or anywhere else in the deep South in November so winning the primary in those states is interesting but meaningless as far as the Electoral College goes.
What is important is that if the Democrats don't win PA,Ohio, Michigan, Illinois in a general election the game is over.
If Hillary cannot win those states in the primary does she expect dissatisfied Sanders voters to flock to her in November?
Point being if Sanders wins in the North he is the more electable Democratic candidate.
What is important is that if the Democrats don't win PA,Ohio, Michigan, Illinois in a general election the game is over.
If Hillary cannot win those states in the primary does she expect dissatisfied Sanders voters to flock to her in November?
Point being if Sanders wins in the North he is the more electable Democratic candidate.
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Keep it classy, Bernie campaign. The responses of the campaign workers in this article range from a quarter past racist to not socialized enough for kindergarten. La la la la with fingers in your ears? One of those young Bernie non-bros wanting to be taken more seriously doing so by giving the finger to the opposing candidate on the monitor? Knowing the South like I do (second hand, through marriage) I can well imagine why no one took to the Bernie message when delivered by people like this. Keep it classy and order another round. Bernie, try to visit a few more states before running for President next time and try to get your campaign to control themselves when the NYT reporter stops by. This does you no credit at all.
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"She wished fellow black voters had done more research into Mr. Sanders’s campaign." Maybe they did, and like every other demographic group in South Carolina, they decided they didn't like it.
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Bernie Sanders' message is an important one that has invigorated the youth vote and moved the Democratic party closer to the vision of FDR. Despite this achievement, Mr. Sanders will only win one state on Super Tuesday, his own. He is likely to achieve a tie in Massachusetts but than that Hillary wins big in the rest of the states on March 1st. The rest of the month breaks much the same way. Hillary Clinton will be the Democratic party's candidate for President in 2016. When the dust settles, Sanders supporters need to vigorously support Secretary Clinton, just as Hillary supporters did for Obama in 2008. Otherwise we'll be looking at a President-elect Trump come November and the eventual unraveling of the Obama legacy.
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Bernie has said all along that it's not about him but about his ideas. He only ran because no Democrat would run saying what he wanted to say. He has already changed the debate. Hilliary's SC victory speech sounded a lot like Bernie's would have, had he won.
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"Hilliary's SC victory speech sounded a lot like Bernie's would have, had he won."
Yes, this particular weekend, it does. Scott Walker, also changed his speeches to get elected. What's not scary, as heck, about that behavior? Here's a candidate who never flip-flopped, in order to get elected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3NKvvxcSs&feature=youtu.be
Yes, this particular weekend, it does. Scott Walker, also changed his speeches to get elected. What's not scary, as heck, about that behavior? Here's a candidate who never flip-flopped, in order to get elected.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RU3NKvvxcSs&feature=youtu.be
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Bernie was never going to win the South--it's just not ready-made for him. Blacks won't support him--because he's an angry, old White hippy--so there is no common ground--except for the anger--and Blacks feel THEY own that franchise. Bernie can't authentically claim to "feel their pain"....Clinton, however??? I think we know the routine.
And Southern Whites, imbued with patriotism, family and religious values, will never vote for a godless old Jew who espouses every value they reject--from income redistribution to gun control to gay marriage to making the military small enough to stuff into a broom closet.
The South is a graveyard for Democrats. Bernie will be denied nomination because of this--and Hillary will lose every Southern state in the general election. She has ventured so far left--in order to blunt Sanders, she'll never be able to make it back to safety before the bridge collapses. The Democrat party has itself drifted too far to the left--and Southern sensibilities see them as alien.
Our next president? Expect Trump.
And Southern Whites, imbued with patriotism, family and religious values, will never vote for a godless old Jew who espouses every value they reject--from income redistribution to gun control to gay marriage to making the military small enough to stuff into a broom closet.
The South is a graveyard for Democrats. Bernie will be denied nomination because of this--and Hillary will lose every Southern state in the general election. She has ventured so far left--in order to blunt Sanders, she'll never be able to make it back to safety before the bridge collapses. The Democrat party has itself drifted too far to the left--and Southern sensibilities see them as alien.
Our next president? Expect Trump.
Jesse
Quite frankly the problem is that the Democratic Party has not moved far enough left. I have no doubt that you are correct that Hilary Clinton if given the nomination will loose every Southern State (and a number of Northern ones to Boot).
Hilary is a sham populist she is the Goldwater Girl she always was and a bought and payed for tool of Wall Street. The enemy of the American 99% is the oligopoly turned plutocracy.
It is a shame that so much of this nation is so obsessed with race class and ethnicity and deluded with religion that they cannot see who is actually manipulating them with the same decide and conquer method that has worked in this country since the continental congress.
So I am going to be voting for the
Quite frankly the problem is that the Democratic Party has not moved far enough left. I have no doubt that you are correct that Hilary Clinton if given the nomination will loose every Southern State (and a number of Northern ones to Boot).
Hilary is a sham populist she is the Goldwater Girl she always was and a bought and payed for tool of Wall Street. The enemy of the American 99% is the oligopoly turned plutocracy.
It is a shame that so much of this nation is so obsessed with race class and ethnicity and deluded with religion that they cannot see who is actually manipulating them with the same decide and conquer method that has worked in this country since the continental congress.
So I am going to be voting for the
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Hillary's rout of Bernie in South Carolina last night gives only one indication : Black people are SPEAKING.They're just not talking through their tongue, they're showing it through their power of vote.
And every candidate, from Bernie to Trump has to listen up and assess the power of minority votes, mainly the Black votes.
Because if they don't, they'd end up losing the election like Romney did who got only 27% of the Black votes and a little more of the Hispanic votes .
And that was not enough. Never will be..
And in comparison Hillary's team is experienced and clever enough to know which direction this country is heading to.
The Dixiecrats and the remnants of the Whig party has lost total control of the southern states and can never get this country back the way they controlled Washington in the past.
They've to commingle with all the minorities, specially the Blacks if they really want to send their man or woman to the White House. They've to realize that Jim Crow is long dead and nobody is going to replace him. And they also have to accept Lincoln as their idol and replicate everything that Lincoln did or wanted to do to unite this country even by sacrificing his own life.
Because right now, the way this country is going, with Republicans trying to tear apart the very fabric of this beautiful country which made so much progress over the years as far as race relations are concerned but their candidates Trump, Cruz and also Rubio is trashing it by sheer vulgarity.
And every candidate, from Bernie to Trump has to listen up and assess the power of minority votes, mainly the Black votes.
Because if they don't, they'd end up losing the election like Romney did who got only 27% of the Black votes and a little more of the Hispanic votes .
And that was not enough. Never will be..
And in comparison Hillary's team is experienced and clever enough to know which direction this country is heading to.
The Dixiecrats and the remnants of the Whig party has lost total control of the southern states and can never get this country back the way they controlled Washington in the past.
They've to commingle with all the minorities, specially the Blacks if they really want to send their man or woman to the White House. They've to realize that Jim Crow is long dead and nobody is going to replace him. And they also have to accept Lincoln as their idol and replicate everything that Lincoln did or wanted to do to unite this country even by sacrificing his own life.
Because right now, the way this country is going, with Republicans trying to tear apart the very fabric of this beautiful country which made so much progress over the years as far as race relations are concerned but their candidates Trump, Cruz and also Rubio is trashing it by sheer vulgarity.
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While I admire some of Sanders's ideas, I cannot in any way, shape, or form accept Socialism as an economic model.
I wish people some Sanders supporters would open their history books and take a close look at what socialism a la the USSR did to much of Europe in the 20th Century. Never mind what it's done to Latin America, Asia, etc. I still remember the euphoria when the Soviet Union fell.
Capitalism has shortcomings for sure and Bernie is right in that those shortcomings have to be addressed, but scrapping something that works in favor of something that clearly doesn't is ludicrous.
Slapping the word "democratic" in front of socialism doesn't make it more attractive.
I wish people some Sanders supporters would open their history books and take a close look at what socialism a la the USSR did to much of Europe in the 20th Century. Never mind what it's done to Latin America, Asia, etc. I still remember the euphoria when the Soviet Union fell.
Capitalism has shortcomings for sure and Bernie is right in that those shortcomings have to be addressed, but scrapping something that works in favor of something that clearly doesn't is ludicrous.
Slapping the word "democratic" in front of socialism doesn't make it more attractive.
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.....and coupling "USSR" with "socialism" doesn't make it any more accurate. And Bernie isn't for "scrapping" capitalism. Like FDR, he wants to make it work for us, in effect saving it from himself.
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This is one of many op-eds that states Senator Sander's intent to focus more on northeastern and mid-western states where the black vote is not so strong. This strikes me as carrying some distinct risks for the Senator: pandering to white voters. While one could hope that would not be a favored strategic goal. Given the implied divisiveness and resemblance to Republican party methods, the tactic make one very uncomfortable--particularly within Democratic party primaries. We'll see how long this drags on.
However impressive the youthful energies behind the Senator's campaign, if Secretary Clinton were the nominee many of us hope they can get over the primary fights and understand just how important their votes will be in a national election, in terms of their own interests.
However impressive the youthful energies behind the Senator's campaign, if Secretary Clinton were the nominee many of us hope they can get over the primary fights and understand just how important their votes will be in a national election, in terms of their own interests.
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The parties are each having the primary season the other should have had. Coming off a two term presidency which promised change, hope, and new ideas the Democratic Party is offering just two aging candidates. Your choice? The status quo or a back to the future (if the future is early 1960's England). With a chance to present an alternative to an aimless, leftward drift the Republicans eschewed rallying around a few candidates who could explain the need for conservatism and embraced a three ring circus.
Should the two parties continue as constituted? Should there be only two? A year ago these would have seemed absurd questions. Now? It is obvious there is no Republican Party as such. There is a conservative party which is constrained by wealthy donors with few principles who do not identify with conservatism except as it relates to the preservation of their own wealth. The Republican Party must go.
The Democrats? Their beliefs are more clearly defined, yet they still have substantial numbers of voters disenfranchised by a machine which decided long ago to lock out every candidate but one with more baggage than Samsonite. That many young voters want to chose not a Democrat, but a democratic socialist, should alarm both parties.
The parties will reform and begin listening to their bases or ignore them at the peril of fragmentation. We may actually need four parties. If so, hope for a new way forward may come out of disorder.
Should the two parties continue as constituted? Should there be only two? A year ago these would have seemed absurd questions. Now? It is obvious there is no Republican Party as such. There is a conservative party which is constrained by wealthy donors with few principles who do not identify with conservatism except as it relates to the preservation of their own wealth. The Republican Party must go.
The Democrats? Their beliefs are more clearly defined, yet they still have substantial numbers of voters disenfranchised by a machine which decided long ago to lock out every candidate but one with more baggage than Samsonite. That many young voters want to chose not a Democrat, but a democratic socialist, should alarm both parties.
The parties will reform and begin listening to their bases or ignore them at the peril of fragmentation. We may actually need four parties. If so, hope for a new way forward may come out of disorder.
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Stop using made up words like "Bernie-mentum" and "Bernie-splain" and speak English.
I am very unhappy that it looks even more likely that I will have to vote for the dishonest and sleazy Ms. Clinton in the general election.She won by condescending lies to the African American voters that Bernie would repeal the ACA.
What I am most unhappy about, though, is that the Democrats are choosing the candidate who can't win in November over the authentic and honest candidate who is lovable and has a truly progressive platform. This is scary.
We still have a chance to nominate someone
I am very unhappy that it looks even more likely that I will have to vote for the dishonest and sleazy Ms. Clinton in the general election.She won by condescending lies to the African American voters that Bernie would repeal the ACA.
What I am most unhappy about, though, is that the Democrats are choosing the candidate who can't win in November over the authentic and honest candidate who is lovable and has a truly progressive platform. This is scary.
We still have a chance to nominate someone
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Clinton will not fix the rigged economy. Why should she when she made lot of money in rigged economy? She is not bought and paid for, that is not how it works. It is all give and take. She gives something to Wall Street and in return takes some money.
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What we are witnessing in this election year is a bubbling to the surface of the disillusionment, make that anger, of the American people. Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders have become conduits for those bubbles to surface. As the Bob Dylan song goes: “You don’t need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows.” I say It is getting very gusty right now and soon gale force winds are inevitable. No Trump, Sanders, Bloomberg, and especially not another Clinton are going to even make a dent in our dysfunctional government. The system is broken and that is the bad news. But the good news is “we the people” are at least beginning to personify our discontent through Trump and/or Sanders. I can’t resist ending this post by continuing my aforementioned metaphor. Politicians take notice that anger and frustration are blowing in the wind and you better do something soon otherwise there’s a hard rain that’s gonna fall.
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Bernie Sanders' message is an important one that has helped to move the Democratic party to the left and invigorate the youth vote. Despite these welcome developments he will not win the party's nomination. He is set to win only one state on Super Tuesday and essentially tie in another. Hillary will win the rest of the Super Tuesday states by large margins. The rest of March is essentially the same. When the dust settles, Sanders supporters should give their whole hearted support to Hillary Clinton, just as the Hillary supporters did for Obama in 2008. Otherwise, we'll be looking at a President-elect Trump come November and the eventual dismantling of the Obama legacy.
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Not going to happen
A vote for Hillary is more of the same.
A vote for Hillary is more of the same.
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Bernie Sanders lost a state he was was losing by 25 points a week before by almost 50 points and his supporters celebrated long. He lost both the white and the black vote. It shows they are about as smart and juvenile as they sound. Put a fork in him. Now maybe they will go back to their video games.
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"Juanita Moore, 62, said that she wished fellow black voters had done more research into Mr. Sanders’s campaign platform before making up their minds and voting for a familiar name.“
This has been my worry all along and something I wish Charles Blow would address. Politics is a two-way thing. The candidates come to us, but we have to actively meet them and their ideas too, demanding that they answer our questions. It seems to me there is a kind of inertia at work among African-Americans, especially in the South. I understand that for them politics may be a long trail of broken promises. I get that. But on the other hand you can't just wait for something better to happen. You have to make it happen. I hope they take more interest in Bernie. He would have their back like no other.
This has been my worry all along and something I wish Charles Blow would address. Politics is a two-way thing. The candidates come to us, but we have to actively meet them and their ideas too, demanding that they answer our questions. It seems to me there is a kind of inertia at work among African-Americans, especially in the South. I understand that for them politics may be a long trail of broken promises. I get that. But on the other hand you can't just wait for something better to happen. You have to make it happen. I hope they take more interest in Bernie. He would have their back like no other.
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I find this quote from the article to be condescending. Are we assuming that black voters didn't think about their choice? "Especially in the rural areas"???
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You can't assign homework to the American voter. Each American makes up their own mind. It is up to the campaigns to reach them, and no one can sensibly say that voters owe it to candidates or their neighbors to read up or study positions that aren't of interest to them.
Hillary and Bernie each decided to run, each has money to get their own message out and each voter decides to vote or not to vote on their own terms.
Bernie is trying to sell a message that yesterday's voters weren't at all interested in, with or without Spike Lee or Killer Mike.
Now he's mostly going to states with white voters and he's skipping more diverse states: that in itself is the message now.
Hillary and Bernie each decided to run, each has money to get their own message out and each voter decides to vote or not to vote on their own terms.
Bernie is trying to sell a message that yesterday's voters weren't at all interested in, with or without Spike Lee or Killer Mike.
Now he's mostly going to states with white voters and he's skipping more diverse states: that in itself is the message now.
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Reports of the willingness of the Sanders acolytes, at the hastily organized watch party at Pearlz Oyster Bar in Columbia S.C., to take each new announcement of Hillary Clinton's increasingly large landslide victory over Sanders as a basis to grow more and more buoyant can only be interpreted as the response of a devoted group of believers in unicorns and pots of gold at the end of rainbows. Anyone connected to reality would recognize the greater than expected size of Clinton's margin over Sanders to be the drubbing that it was. Of course, Sanders and his campaign team managed to describe his losses in Iowa and Nevada as victories; so, by now, they are accustomed to the Sanders fairytale. If you count all the thousands of people attending Bernie's rallies, you get the impression that Sanders is a rockstar, but, in fact, it adds up to a small fraction of the numbers actually needed to win an election.
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"They could have gone home much earlier. But they wanted to stick around to celebrate. What can you say to that?"
I can say denial is a powerful emotion.
I can say denial is a powerful emotion.
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I can say that community is a strong uniter.
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The primarily young, white voters are the parallel to Trump's supporters. Angry white people, evidenced by this from the column,
"The volunteer, a white man, noted that only the “old black vote” from rural counties had come in at that point, adding, “Who cares?” (He quickly appended, “I don’t want to sound racist or anything...”)
Sanders knows he has no chance in the Democratic Party. He's using them; they're using him to acquire his minions once he concedes to Hillary. The only hope for a "change" candidate is to run outside of the corrupt, two-party structure. More about this here http://nowagepress.com/now-age-minute-monkey-man/
"The volunteer, a white man, noted that only the “old black vote” from rural counties had come in at that point, adding, “Who cares?” (He quickly appended, “I don’t want to sound racist or anything...”)
Sanders knows he has no chance in the Democratic Party. He's using them; they're using him to acquire his minions once he concedes to Hillary. The only hope for a "change" candidate is to run outside of the corrupt, two-party structure. More about this here http://nowagepress.com/now-age-minute-monkey-man/
With a classy crows of campaign workers like this, grade level between racist and 3, with one of those young women who want to be given more credit giving the finger to the winner on a monitor. . . . My goodness, I can't imagine why their door to door in South Crashed and burned. Keep it classy and order another round.
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The Black population of our country is only about 13%. How can they have such an exaggerated influence on who becomes a presidential candidate? Perhaps we should have just one primary election day in which all states participate
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Yes, that is a good rallying cry: End African Americans' outsized influence on the Democratic Party. FYI, they had no influence on the Democratic Party in the South for many decades, i.e, the decades of Jim Crow.
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OK, I'm a European - I can even recall 1968. In radical circles people talked about 'the long march through the institutions' then. Hillary will most likely be a one-term president. Bernie (though this seems unlikely) would be a one-term president. Why not agree that it will take some time to convince Americans to be convinced of the merits of 'socialism'? Why not build up the relationship with minority voters that Mrs. C. (I love the Times' formality) seems to have - and Bernie manifestly doesn't? Many of Bernie's supporters are young, we're told. They have time on their hands. If Trump is a candidate, America doesn't.
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In addition to introducing Bernie to black Americans which should continue apace, does Bernie need to introduce all Americans to the cost us of over 800 USA military bases and non-military buildings? I haven't a count on non military installations... And the US taxpayer also pays for them to be flown back and forth to America... And the beat goes on.
$$$ Americans stationed overseas need school, hospitals, etc.$$$.
Whats the $ total $ bill for the US tax $ payer?
No wonder poor, working class and middle class black Americans have been losing ground, as have 90 percent of all Americans.
This is one shocking big reason.
$$$ Americans stationed overseas need school, hospitals, etc.$$$.
Whats the $ total $ bill for the US tax $ payer?
No wonder poor, working class and middle class black Americans have been losing ground, as have 90 percent of all Americans.
This is one shocking big reason.
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The "We're Right, You're Wrong/We're Pure, You're Corrupt" element within Sanders's supporters is an embarrassment. It is as if half the Democrats have been reincarnated as freshmen in college, have just read Howard Zinn for the first time, and now have to educate the rest of us. It is insulting and farcical.
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Democrats, particularly Democratic convention delegates, should pay attention to who, Clinton or Sanders, wins primaries in the states that a Democrat can win in November.
What good is Clinton's win in the South Carolina primary, a state that will likely go to Republicans, just as it did in 2008 when McCain beat Obama there 55% to 44% in 2008, just as it did in 2012 when Romney beat Obama there 55% to 44% in 2012?
What good is a Clinton sweep of southern state primaries, states that no Democrat will carry?
Let's see who wins the primaries in the swing states, and states most likely to go Democratic in November. That should determine who the Democrats nominate at their convention.
To pick a candidate who loses in the swing states and states likely to go Democratic in November, because that candidate wins more delegates in states Democrats will lost in November, is to chose to lose in November.
What good is Clinton's win in the South Carolina primary, a state that will likely go to Republicans, just as it did in 2008 when McCain beat Obama there 55% to 44% in 2008, just as it did in 2012 when Romney beat Obama there 55% to 44% in 2012?
What good is a Clinton sweep of southern state primaries, states that no Democrat will carry?
Let's see who wins the primaries in the swing states, and states most likely to go Democratic in November. That should determine who the Democrats nominate at their convention.
To pick a candidate who loses in the swing states and states likely to go Democratic in November, because that candidate wins more delegates in states Democrats will lost in November, is to chose to lose in November.
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That argument doesn't make any sense, unless you're claiming that historically Democratic states will vindictively elect a Republican presidential candidate in this hypothetical scenario that no national polling backs up. We could also interpret these results as a sign that Bernie has no chance of getting anything other than predominately white, already secured Democratic states, and will struggle to gain enough of the swing votes to get into the White House. Another ridiculous hypothetical tailored to suit the opposite predetermined idea.
Aside from the pesky details, are we simply a democracy of states willing to swing one way or the other? Do we not care about the wishes of those out-numbered by the geography of their districts?
Aside from the pesky details, are we simply a democracy of states willing to swing one way or the other? Do we not care about the wishes of those out-numbered by the geography of their districts?
Bernie Sanders may not be electable, but that is equally true of Hillary Clinton. Clinton is widely hated, generally distrusted, and thoroughly in league with Wall Street. No Republican will ever cross over to vote for her in the general election, except for a relatively small number of the Republican establishment if Trump is the nominee (Clinton is essentially Republican Lite, and she plays ball with Wall Street, which is all that really matters in the end). I expect Sanders supporters will hold their noses and vote for her, but not all, and that will hurt. Black support for her in states where it helped Obama initially (e.g. North Carolina) will not be enough to offset Republican hatred of her in those places. Black support for her in other southern states (e.g. South Carolina) is immaterial in the general election because those states are solid Republican.
We've spent so much time on the Left crowing about the circus clowns running for the Republican nomination that we've failed to notice our own candidates, and especially our establishment-annointed candidate, Clinton, are not very electable.
We've spent so much time on the Left crowing about the circus clowns running for the Republican nomination that we've failed to notice our own candidates, and especially our establishment-annointed candidate, Clinton, are not very electable.
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You're right except about Sanders supporters holding their nose and voting for Clinton.
It's a step backwards, it delays the revolution. Not going to happen
It's a step backwards, it delays the revolution. Not going to happen
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Presuming you are right and I think you are for the most part, the big question that Democratic voters should be asking now (vs. later) is why the establishment/elite is pushing so hard to make Hillary the nominee when they know perfectly well that she is hated on the right, has baggage that will last until the election, and she is not trusted on the left or right.
As you say, with Hillary the Democratic nominee, every red or leaning red state will go with whoever the Republican's nominate. This election will come down to a handful of states and since this is an unprecedented anti-establishment election, who do you think can win that? Clue - anyone but HIllary!
As you say, with Hillary the Democratic nominee, every red or leaning red state will go with whoever the Republican's nominate. This election will come down to a handful of states and since this is an unprecedented anti-establishment election, who do you think can win that? Clue - anyone but HIllary!
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I always thought it a waste to spend a minute or a dollar in South Carolina. The same is true of a number of Southern states. As a volunteer, I chose other states to make calls for a number of reasons:
1- South Carolina, like most of the rest of the Old Confederacy, is a write off come November. Find me a serious political expert that thinks South Carolina will not send Republican Electors to Washington and I will give you $5.
2- Exit polling shows voters in South Carolina had already made up their mind to vote for Hillary way before the campaign. No great surprise.
3- Resources are better spent where voters are more open to Bernie's message and better informed. NYT exit polling showed a third of South Carolina Democratic Voters thought Bernie was not liberal enough for them. Try very hard not to laugh.
Ramping up to a national campaign with a lot of first time volunteers was always going to be hard, even harder against the Clinton machine that runs almost every state's Democratic apparatus. The open animus from many Clinton loyalists is palpable. Better to spend time and money where people are open to persuasion, unlike South Carolina.
The Democrats have to make a choice- support Ms Clinton out of loyalty or embrace the young voters & independents attracted by the Sanders campaign. If these young voters feel the primary process was rigged or unfair, good luck ever getting their support and not just in November.
1- South Carolina, like most of the rest of the Old Confederacy, is a write off come November. Find me a serious political expert that thinks South Carolina will not send Republican Electors to Washington and I will give you $5.
2- Exit polling shows voters in South Carolina had already made up their mind to vote for Hillary way before the campaign. No great surprise.
3- Resources are better spent where voters are more open to Bernie's message and better informed. NYT exit polling showed a third of South Carolina Democratic Voters thought Bernie was not liberal enough for them. Try very hard not to laugh.
Ramping up to a national campaign with a lot of first time volunteers was always going to be hard, even harder against the Clinton machine that runs almost every state's Democratic apparatus. The open animus from many Clinton loyalists is palpable. Better to spend time and money where people are open to persuasion, unlike South Carolina.
The Democrats have to make a choice- support Ms Clinton out of loyalty or embrace the young voters & independents attracted by the Sanders campaign. If these young voters feel the primary process was rigged or unfair, good luck ever getting their support and not just in November.
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John McCain beat Barack Obama 55% to 44% in South Carolina in 2008.
Mitt Romney beat Barack Obama 55% to 44% in South Carolina in 2012.
Hillary Clinton "resoundingly" wins the Democratic primary in South Carolina in 2016. A state no Democrat will win in the general election. And she'll likely win in most if not all southern state primaries - where if she's the nominee, she will lose in the general election. So southern Democratic voters get to choose a nominee they can do nothing to deliver the election for in November.
Mitt Romney beat Barack Obama 55% to 44% in South Carolina in 2012.
Hillary Clinton "resoundingly" wins the Democratic primary in South Carolina in 2016. A state no Democrat will win in the general election. And she'll likely win in most if not all southern state primaries - where if she's the nominee, she will lose in the general election. So southern Democratic voters get to choose a nominee they can do nothing to deliver the election for in November.
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I'm a Vermonter who's voting for Hillary Clinton. We in Vermont know Bernie better than anyone, since we've been living with him for the past 50 years or me. I have a lot of affection for Bernie and I've voted for him in every election so far. Bernie is passionate about his causes, is uncompromising in his positions, and is unyielding in his commitments. But these are the exact same qualities that I feel will not make him a good president. A president needs to compromise, to listen to the other side, and at least try to unify people and be president of the whole nation. From my direct, personal experience with Bernie, I am not convinced that he is temperamentally capable of being more than a one-issue candidate. One time, a group of us were protesting Big Wind power development on our ridgelines at the labor union hall in downtown Barre, Vt. Bernie came and started speaking to us, but when we started talking about (admittedly in a loud and raucous voice), he said, "Ok, that's it, I'm outta here" and walk right into the labor hall without another word. Bernie is a great advocate for single-payer health care and income inequality, all of which I agree with, but he is also dogmatic and inflexible. He would not make a good president. With Hillary and Bill, you get perhaps the most qualified couple to ever occupy the White House: two presidents for the price of one.
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"Two Presidents" who have betrayed their own constituents again and again, in their ambitious persuit of power and money!
Face it, they serve the financial interests that almost bankrupted the Country--and not only avoided jail time, but profited handsomely in the process. And you want to elect someone whose plan for reining them in is to say, "Come on, boys, cut that out!"
Good luck with that.
As for me, I'll stick with a candidate whose values are NOT for sale.
Face it, they serve the financial interests that almost bankrupted the Country--and not only avoided jail time, but profited handsomely in the process. And you want to elect someone whose plan for reining them in is to say, "Come on, boys, cut that out!"
Good luck with that.
As for me, I'll stick with a candidate whose values are NOT for sale.
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The way political campaign are financed currently, mostly by donors with deep pockets who want to buy political influence, needs to be changed.
Bernie Sanders is the only one who has made campaign financing a cornerstone of his campaign, not only by talking about it, but by NOT accepting Super PAC support. He needs to be supported for real change to take place in the way the country is governed.
Bernie Sanders is the only one who has made campaign financing a cornerstone of his campaign, not only by talking about it, but by NOT accepting Super PAC support. He needs to be supported for real change to take place in the way the country is governed.
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Just a factoid: every time Hillary Rodham appears in an interview on TV (a rare event), her poll numbers drop. She and her campaign are well aware of this phenomenon, and that is why she is largely absent from the Sunday morning talk shows.
One of the most under-reported facts about Clinton is that she is so disliked by the majority of Americans. Which is why a vote for Hillary in the primaries is like a vote for Trump.
One of the most under-reported facts about Clinton is that she is so disliked by the majority of Americans. Which is why a vote for Hillary in the primaries is like a vote for Trump.
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Bernie has said it many times. This is a Political Revolution. If you are scared it is understandable but it has to happen this way. Bernie has said when it is time for Congress to act on his agenda he will call on us to stand with him,literally stand with him by the millions in Washington to scream out for change or face the other kind of Revolution.
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Bernie is about rebuilding a foundation for justice and human rights. Hillary is sadly mired in the status quo. Bernie gives me hope for the future.
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When all is said and done the final presidential match up is going to be Hillary Clinton vs Donald Trump. I wouldn't be at all surprised if Sanders' supporters either stay home or go to the polls anyway to vote for Donald Trump out of spite. The rationale would be that if Bernie Sanders can't be president then Hillary Clinton isn't going to be president either.
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Not me. I will vote for Clinton in preference to Trump-- and I am a firm Sanders supporter.
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I'm not spiting anyone.
I'll write in Sanders.
A vote for Clinton is a step backwards, delays the revolution. I'll live through 4 years of Trump to see a Warren presidency in 2020.
I'll write in Sanders.
A vote for Clinton is a step backwards, delays the revolution. I'll live through 4 years of Trump to see a Warren presidency in 2020.
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Spitefully sitting out the election can hardly be called a "rationale". It's more aptly called a tantrum.
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Warren buffet assures us American economy is healthy and well. But he emphasizes that inequality has to be addressed by ensuring a safety net for those left behind. That is exactly what Bernie is saying. Warren buffet, early in the political season, endorsed Hillary, but he seems to agree with Bernie on the most fundamental issues. Go Bernie, here's sending you hearty wishes and a modest donation..
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Warren Buffet wants status quo, he made billions. He wants to take care of people left behind? These people want opportunity, not hand outs. These people want to be able to have families and buy a home, not hand outs. Yeah, Buffet is a billionaire democrat who has done more damage to this country raiding, and buying corporations, stealing assets of these companies, making many of these more profitable. Consolidating companies hurts small business competitiveness and stiffle entrepreneurs creating new business.
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As someone who lives in a small town in Georgia, Suwanee, I would like to point out that small towns have television sets, computers, the internet, and intelligent people who can make choices on who they want to vote for. As someone who is very skeptical as to Sen Sanders being able to make even one of his promises come true, I am a Hillary supporter. It is not due to any lack of Sander's message being heard, it is due to not thinking them remotely possible.
His supporters need to understand that point. Government is about compromise and centrist ideas. Mr Sanders is a fine senator who has been elected in a tiny all white state for 30 years. Their population is roughly 600,000 people, in the whole state. I am willing to see how this plays out, and will support the Democratic nominee, whomever it is. But I will not insult other voters as being uninformed because they disagree with me.
Can we please leave the rude gestures and remarks to the Republicans and understand together how important it is to keep them out of the White House?
His supporters need to understand that point. Government is about compromise and centrist ideas. Mr Sanders is a fine senator who has been elected in a tiny all white state for 30 years. Their population is roughly 600,000 people, in the whole state. I am willing to see how this plays out, and will support the Democratic nominee, whomever it is. But I will not insult other voters as being uninformed because they disagree with me.
Can we please leave the rude gestures and remarks to the Republicans and understand together how important it is to keep them out of the White House?
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No, it is about the lack of exposure for Sanders. Hence why the Democratic field was cleared for Hillary. Hence why the DNC scheduled fewer debates and during weekends or times when fewer people are paying attention. That is why Hillary is the favorite, name recognition. You can't otherwise explain why she was always in the lead in the polls just like 2008 until people learned more about both Obama and Bernie. But the DNC didn't employ the same tactics in 2008, they learned
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Please take your wonderful message to David Brock, Hillary's master of dirty tricks. He needs to hear you.
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Indeed, let's not select Sanders on the basis on what he wants to do that he might not accomplish.
Instead, let's select Clinton. Since she is making no concrete statements about what she wants to do, and that we can only do small things, we can't possibly be disappointed.
President Obama has not accomplished all the things he wanted to do. The only people who were criticizing Obama in 2008 for trying to sell a "fairly tale" were Clinton supporters, and Bill Clinton himself. Knowing what we know now of where Obama fell short, as much or more because of Republican obstruction as because of his over-willingness to compromise, or hesitance to pursue an agenda (I.e., going after bank executives through the Justice Department), would you say we made a mistake electing Obama?
I don't think we made a mistake electing Obama, even though I have been disappointed is several ways by his administration. If we don't try, we can't succeed. (As well, McCain-Palin and Romney-Ryan were unacceptable alternatives.)
For the same reason, I and many others would prefer to try with Sanders than to start out expecting little with Clinton. The best way to honor Obama's legacy is not simply to maintain the status quo of what Obama did accomplish, but to fight for what he was unable to accomplish.
If Obama had campaigned in 2008 as Clinton is campaigning now, we would not likely have gotten ObamaCare. Obama did not protect the status quo. He fought it (Mostly.).
Instead, let's select Clinton. Since she is making no concrete statements about what she wants to do, and that we can only do small things, we can't possibly be disappointed.
President Obama has not accomplished all the things he wanted to do. The only people who were criticizing Obama in 2008 for trying to sell a "fairly tale" were Clinton supporters, and Bill Clinton himself. Knowing what we know now of where Obama fell short, as much or more because of Republican obstruction as because of his over-willingness to compromise, or hesitance to pursue an agenda (I.e., going after bank executives through the Justice Department), would you say we made a mistake electing Obama?
I don't think we made a mistake electing Obama, even though I have been disappointed is several ways by his administration. If we don't try, we can't succeed. (As well, McCain-Palin and Romney-Ryan were unacceptable alternatives.)
For the same reason, I and many others would prefer to try with Sanders than to start out expecting little with Clinton. The best way to honor Obama's legacy is not simply to maintain the status quo of what Obama did accomplish, but to fight for what he was unable to accomplish.
If Obama had campaigned in 2008 as Clinton is campaigning now, we would not likely have gotten ObamaCare. Obama did not protect the status quo. He fought it (Mostly.).
I know this isn't a new thought but it bears repeating.
What makes anyone think that if Hillary is the nominee the Republicans will rollover and play nice. They continue to vilify - and they have a lot of material to gnaw on should she be the chosen one.
Say what you will, but if Bernie is the nominee, I have heard nothing - nothing - from either side - to be used against him except the degree of the "idealism" of his platform. Bring it on.
A criticism based on issues. What a revelatory idea. Perhaps a Sanders nomination is the only thing that has a chance at raising us up out of the morass of muck this race has become.
And if Hillary should gain the White House? Once again, is anyone so naive as to think the Republican obstructionism will simply melt away in the face of her overwhelming "incrementalism"?
The one thing - and I stress - the one thing - that the angry masses that speak out for Bernie and for Trump have in common is that they recognize we need sea change - core, timber rattling, knee shaking - change - in the halls of power. The obvious and chasmic difference between them is the course that change must take.
As the SNL skit portrayed, I'm on board with Bernie - I like the direction he's steering.
What makes anyone think that if Hillary is the nominee the Republicans will rollover and play nice. They continue to vilify - and they have a lot of material to gnaw on should she be the chosen one.
Say what you will, but if Bernie is the nominee, I have heard nothing - nothing - from either side - to be used against him except the degree of the "idealism" of his platform. Bring it on.
A criticism based on issues. What a revelatory idea. Perhaps a Sanders nomination is the only thing that has a chance at raising us up out of the morass of muck this race has become.
And if Hillary should gain the White House? Once again, is anyone so naive as to think the Republican obstructionism will simply melt away in the face of her overwhelming "incrementalism"?
The one thing - and I stress - the one thing - that the angry masses that speak out for Bernie and for Trump have in common is that they recognize we need sea change - core, timber rattling, knee shaking - change - in the halls of power. The obvious and chasmic difference between them is the course that change must take.
As the SNL skit portrayed, I'm on board with Bernie - I like the direction he's steering.
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have you considered that you haven't heard the Republicans negatively portraying Bernie because they think they'd have a better chance against him in the general? Their strategy is to weaken Hillary and keep quiet about Bernie in hopes he'll be their opponent. To think that there wouldn't be negative messaging about him is naive, in my opinion.
Nobody that I know of thinks that if Mrs. Clinton is the nominee the republicans will not throw everything in the book at her - all of it untrue or twisted into untruth by repubs, of course. But it will be nothing new.
Nobody that I know thinks that Mr. Sanders will not get the same treatment if he is the Democrats nominee. The question is what unknowns may Bernie have in his closet? His honeymoon in Russia is one for example. His lack of any real record of accomplishment in the Senate after thirty years is another.
Mrs. Clinton's' closet has been so thoroughly gone through that there is nothing to see. repubs got egg on their faces with the BENGHAZI!!! hearings as Mrs. Clinton showed us all who is the tougher one.
Nobody that I know thinks that Mr. Sanders will not get the same treatment if he is the Democrats nominee. The question is what unknowns may Bernie have in his closet? His honeymoon in Russia is one for example. His lack of any real record of accomplishment in the Senate after thirty years is another.
Mrs. Clinton's' closet has been so thoroughly gone through that there is nothing to see. repubs got egg on their faces with the BENGHAZI!!! hearings as Mrs. Clinton showed us all who is the tougher one.
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And if Hillary is the nominee, do you think she's going to roll over and play nice? The Clinton machine will come down on Trump or whoever like a ton of bricks. And the Republicans have already started to do her work for them
As for attacking Sanders. Oh lady. "He killed Christ. He's beholden to Israel." If they went after Obama for being Black, they'll have a field day going after Sanders for being a Jew. And a Socialist. And the more he has to explain what a Socialist is, the worse it will be. No one is immune.
As for attacking Sanders. Oh lady. "He killed Christ. He's beholden to Israel." If they went after Obama for being Black, they'll have a field day going after Sanders for being a Jew. And a Socialist. And the more he has to explain what a Socialist is, the worse it will be. No one is immune.
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Senator Sanders is an unwelcome distraction and is in the third deviation of political practicality. He might turn on Fox News and learn that the Democratic Party is the only institution that can save the world from GOP insanity. He needs to understand that electing a woman President will do more for gender equality than anything offered in his impractical platform. He needs to read Waldon's Pond again and teach gun control to bird hunters. He might sit at the knee of Paul Krugman and learn about true economic horrors and capital formation.
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Electing Clinton will do as much for gender equality as electing Obama did for African Americans.
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Electing a woman as president will do as much for women's rights as electing a black man did for black rights. Nada!
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you say:
electing a woman President will do more for gender equality than anything offered in his impractical platform.
so voting by gender is pre-eminent...therefore, you would applaud those who supported Palin, Bachmann, and Fiorina in their quests for the WH?
Voting based on gender is the very definition of sexism. If HRC is the nominee, I will surely vote for her, but because of her policies, not her gender. Furthermore, I will do so with decidedly less enthusiasm than I would vote for Bernie, who, like Elizabeth Warren, genuinely has the welfare of working people at the center of his campaign. Political Impracticality? You mean like the New Deal? Like LBJ hammering through Civil Rights legislation? Like Medicare? Like Obamacare?
electing a woman President will do more for gender equality than anything offered in his impractical platform.
so voting by gender is pre-eminent...therefore, you would applaud those who supported Palin, Bachmann, and Fiorina in their quests for the WH?
Voting based on gender is the very definition of sexism. If HRC is the nominee, I will surely vote for her, but because of her policies, not her gender. Furthermore, I will do so with decidedly less enthusiasm than I would vote for Bernie, who, like Elizabeth Warren, genuinely has the welfare of working people at the center of his campaign. Political Impracticality? You mean like the New Deal? Like LBJ hammering through Civil Rights legislation? Like Medicare? Like Obamacare?
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Bernie Sanders biggest obstacle outside of most northeastern states is lack of recognition by voters. The only Sanders that resonates with a significant portion of Americans is the Colonel who hawks fast food chicken. Many voters throughout the country don't become engaged in national politics until very near to their casting a vote. Mr. Sanders' political message will most likely fall on deaf ears among those less engaged politically since he is a stranger. Unfamiliarity can breed suspicion, along with what some might argue are promises for change too good to be true. His heavy Brooklyn accent might be off putting as well in the deep south. In southern states, especially among many African American voters, familiarity with Mrs. Clinton and her long career in national politics, breeds respect, trust and authenticity--ironically, all those characteristics that both hateful Republicans foes and now rabid Bernie Sanders supporters, claim are woefully lacking. It wouldn't be too much of a stretch to presume that many African American voters (certainly not all) would view the candidacy of a strong, articulate and accomplished female as being somewhat more revolutionary than an unknown older white male from the northeast. Gender bias issues faced by a female competing in an entirely male dominated political environment could engender strong empathy from some minority voters who have experienced racial prejudice in their respective lives or witnessed it in others.
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I find this treatment of POC voting to be absolutely racist, classist, and just disgusting. They don't know Sanders because he's never taken the time to get to know them. Weird how Hillary has spent decades since graduating college working with communities of color and they support her? Such. A. Mystery. They just HAVE to be ignorant. Pathetic.
"Juanita Moore, 62, said that she wished fellow black voters had done more research into Mr. Sanders’s campaign platform before making up their minds and voting for a familiar name.
'Especially the rural areas, it was just a name that was in their heads, and that was what they were familiar with, and that’s what they went with,' she said. 'If anybody really did their homework on Bernie Sanders, they would have automatically went his way.'
Anything will be said to dismiss the informed voices of POC that support Hillary. Very disappointing language coming from Sanders's staff, surrogates, and volunteers.
"Juanita Moore, 62, said that she wished fellow black voters had done more research into Mr. Sanders’s campaign platform before making up their minds and voting for a familiar name.
'Especially the rural areas, it was just a name that was in their heads, and that was what they were familiar with, and that’s what they went with,' she said. 'If anybody really did their homework on Bernie Sanders, they would have automatically went his way.'
Anything will be said to dismiss the informed voices of POC that support Hillary. Very disappointing language coming from Sanders's staff, surrogates, and volunteers.
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Sanders enthusiasts will say that South Carolina voters are too old/too black/too poor/too whatever to be representative of national primary voters. But the Times' exit polls prove them wrong http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/27/us/elections/south-carolin... Sanders squeaked wins among 17-29 year-olds (by 8%), and white males (by 12%). Clinton won by a landslide among voters of all other ages, all incomes, all races and all educational levels.
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I know the Times wants to keep the contest alive to draw readership, and I suppose that's why there is no mention that the margin of defeat for Sanders was far greater than projected just days ago, when Sanders hoped to keep the margin under 25%. I mean, a fence post could get 26% of the vote.
And it was clear that Sanders had to at least not be embarrassed by the magnitude of his loss here, and he and his followers should have been. He and they are out of touch with the reality on the ground in America.
But there is a new element. We're used to the "If you only knew Bernie better..." mantra. The open introduction of racism in accounting for their loss is as scary as it is disappointing.
And it was clear that Sanders had to at least not be embarrassed by the magnitude of his loss here, and he and his followers should have been. He and they are out of touch with the reality on the ground in America.
But there is a new element. We're used to the "If you only knew Bernie better..." mantra. The open introduction of racism in accounting for their loss is as scary as it is disappointing.
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I'm a Bernie supporter and I'm on board all the way. We might squeak out some wins on Tuesday and then after that the map opens up wide for us. We just gotta keep plugging away and stay alive while the contest isn't tilted in our favor. And college kids who are going to be on spring break during contests gotta early vote or do whatever they have to do to cast a ballot! Youth turnout is NOT what we need to get decisive wins. If it could go up, we'd have this thing in the bag. Most voters in South Carolina were over 65!
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Reality has set in for Bernie voters. They are not in Kansas anymore so to speak. When the set goes to technicolor the complexion of the campaign changes drastically. This was an old fashioned blow out. My guess is this will now start to fizzle out like the Wall Street movement. The fuel that drove his campaign were Millennials. This is a generation which will dissipate quickly once word gets out the party is over. They are the exact opposite of their counterparts in the 60s.
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I am a Boomer and will support Bernie throughout his candidacy.
With respect to pragmatism: it is not working out very well for most of America. I will take a chance on significant change.
With respect to pragmatism: it is not working out very well for most of America. I will take a chance on significant change.
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A "blowout" for Hillary, in a state that, like most of the South, will not vote for ANY Democrat in the election itself, since the Republicans devoted their "Southern Strategy."
A "blowout" in a teapot, in other words. Remember that SC went for McCain over Obama.
A "blowout" in a teapot, in other words. Remember that SC went for McCain over Obama.
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I think everyone has kind of lost grasp as to how much Bernie has overcome to this point. It's quite remarkable. He has all the establishment, the media pundits, and much of the exposure and power against him(CNN cut him off while giving his speech last night, something they'd never do to Clinton or Trump). And yet, here Bernie is being mentioned in the same sentence as the coronated front runner up to this point.
It makes me wonder just what Bernie could have done if the media treated Trump like the crazy one, instead of him. And if he was given fair exposure and criticism. I for one find it impressive and it's really no wonder Bernie supporters have a "never say die" attitude. Personally, as a black voter I can't imagine voting for the Clintons but I'm not in the South and I tend to remember things like 2008
It makes me wonder just what Bernie could have done if the media treated Trump like the crazy one, instead of him. And if he was given fair exposure and criticism. I for one find it impressive and it's really no wonder Bernie supporters have a "never say die" attitude. Personally, as a black voter I can't imagine voting for the Clintons but I'm not in the South and I tend to remember things like 2008
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I say "Denial: not just a river in Egypt.
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If Michael Bloomberg enters the race, he will take more votes from Hillary than Trump, possibly throwing the election to Trump. Bloomberg will take women who don't like Hillary, men who don't like women politicians, and many self described liberals who simply believe Bloomberg is more competent than Hillary in governing.
Bernie's supporters, including me, will watch while the American electoral meat grinder again selects edible hamburger instead of the best cut, filet mignon!
Bernie's supporters, including me, will watch while the American electoral meat grinder again selects edible hamburger instead of the best cut, filet mignon!
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What can you say to that? Here's what:
The Democratic candidate will be facing off against an enemy - not an opponent, an enemy - in the coming election. Civil rights, human rights, everything that makes America special and everything that still makes America a beacon of hope to the world: all these are at stake.
If the Republicans were giving us another John McCain or Mitt Romney I would be content to watch things play out. But they're going to give us an American Mussolini. In the face of fascism Clinton and Sanders are inches apart from each other ideologically. Nothing matters for Democrats but electability.
Work for your candidate, and may the best person win, but don't vilify Hillary. Come November she will be standing between us and a consuming fire, not a "Bern", and she will need you. WE will need you.
The Democratic candidate will be facing off against an enemy - not an opponent, an enemy - in the coming election. Civil rights, human rights, everything that makes America special and everything that still makes America a beacon of hope to the world: all these are at stake.
If the Republicans were giving us another John McCain or Mitt Romney I would be content to watch things play out. But they're going to give us an American Mussolini. In the face of fascism Clinton and Sanders are inches apart from each other ideologically. Nothing matters for Democrats but electability.
Work for your candidate, and may the best person win, but don't vilify Hillary. Come November she will be standing between us and a consuming fire, not a "Bern", and she will need you. WE will need you.
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Hillary is Republican Lite, and as much the enemy as Romney or McCain were.
She'd get us in as many wars as McCain, same approach, and more wars than Romney.
She is as Neo-lib and trade deal and Wall Street as Romney was, and more than McCain.
Do you see Republicans rebelling against that? They are. So must Democrats, or just lose.
Hillary can't defeat Trump.
She'd get us in as many wars as McCain, same approach, and more wars than Romney.
She is as Neo-lib and trade deal and Wall Street as Romney was, and more than McCain.
Do you see Republicans rebelling against that? They are. So must Democrats, or just lose.
Hillary can't defeat Trump.
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Fine-- and HRC and her supporters would be well-advised to be congenial to Sanders supporters until that time in order to capture our votes.
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Mike Bloomberg?
Seriously?
a 75 year old NY Billionaire?
He won't win 1 State
He's a complete NO-Go in the south due to his extreme position on guns - He is a gun grabber
In the West CA, OR, WA he has no chance in CA or WA and slim to none in OR
OHIO, PA He'd be lucky to finish 2nd in one of those.
I doubt he can win NY
FL in a 3 way contest... Again he'd be lucky to come in 2nd
Seriously?
a 75 year old NY Billionaire?
He won't win 1 State
He's a complete NO-Go in the south due to his extreme position on guns - He is a gun grabber
In the West CA, OR, WA he has no chance in CA or WA and slim to none in OR
OHIO, PA He'd be lucky to finish 2nd in one of those.
I doubt he can win NY
FL in a 3 way contest... Again he'd be lucky to come in 2nd
The question is like that for Ross Perot, who would Bloomberg take more votes from, Trump or Hillary?
He'd get the anybody but Trump vote that would otherwise go to Hillary. He'd get the anybody but Hillary vote that would other wise stay home again or go to Trump. So how much are they each hated, and which is hated more?
He'd get the anybody but Trump vote that would otherwise go to Hillary. He'd get the anybody but Hillary vote that would other wise stay home again or go to Trump. So how much are they each hated, and which is hated more?
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Hillary won, and there's no denying that, so respect must be given where it's due. However, Bernie's campaign is about so much more. It's about people who have long been jaded finally having a candidate to make themselves excited about politics again. His supporters are people who feel like they finally have a politician who is representing all the things they love about America, who isn't doing it for the title of President, but because he cares about his supporters and non-supporters. His supporters have worked hard for him, many for free, many at their own expense, because they genuinely care for the policies that he unabashedly fights for. Setbacks don't mean failure and setbacks don't mean giving up, that is the definition of will.
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. . . and you have just described the generation that worked and voted for George McGovern.
We were just as idealistic as the young Sanders supporters, and had as admirable a candidate. And, we had just come off the previous 8 years, when we believed that the thrilling ideals of John Kennedy, MLK and Bobby Kennedy had created an immovable platform to go forward. We also vowed that we would not give up, and could not possibly imagine in our wildest dreams the future damage that would be done to our country by Nixon, Reagan and W.
I think the Sanders supporters are just beginning to realize how they will feel if he doesn't win the nomination, and those of us from the 60's can tell you; it's awful. And reality is a stern teacher.
If they can project forward with those feelings, I hope they begin to understand why many of us are unswayed by idealistic rhetoric, inspiring as it may be. I hope they can stop to think what happens when their country is hijacked by domestic terrorists, and life as they know it will change with it. This generation of Republicans will make Nixon and Reagan look like lightweights when it comes to imposing their distorted views on the country.
We were you and you are us. The years go by swiftly. It won't be long until you are where we are now, and I am confident that the wisdom of hindsight will have grown in you, too. I am hoping that you don't have to live with deep, deep regret as well as the disappointment you may feel this year.
We were just as idealistic as the young Sanders supporters, and had as admirable a candidate. And, we had just come off the previous 8 years, when we believed that the thrilling ideals of John Kennedy, MLK and Bobby Kennedy had created an immovable platform to go forward. We also vowed that we would not give up, and could not possibly imagine in our wildest dreams the future damage that would be done to our country by Nixon, Reagan and W.
I think the Sanders supporters are just beginning to realize how they will feel if he doesn't win the nomination, and those of us from the 60's can tell you; it's awful. And reality is a stern teacher.
If they can project forward with those feelings, I hope they begin to understand why many of us are unswayed by idealistic rhetoric, inspiring as it may be. I hope they can stop to think what happens when their country is hijacked by domestic terrorists, and life as they know it will change with it. This generation of Republicans will make Nixon and Reagan look like lightweights when it comes to imposing their distorted views on the country.
We were you and you are us. The years go by swiftly. It won't be long until you are where we are now, and I am confident that the wisdom of hindsight will have grown in you, too. I am hoping that you don't have to live with deep, deep regret as well as the disappointment you may feel this year.
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Clinton beats Bernie best in states that a Democratic nominee has no chance of winning in the general election. Solid Democratic and swing states are a different story.
What would a political strategist glean from this?
What would a political strategist glean from this?
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That primary elections don't transfer to general election results. It is silly to even conclude anything about the general based on the prior. Obama won SC in the primary, lost it in the general. Is that relevant? No, because he also won pennsylvania which clinton won in the primary. They aren't related, stop pretending that anyone cares that dems won't win this state in November. Get your candidate delegates, that's all that matters in primaries.
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Clinton is a terribly weak candidate with tons of baggage. Bernie speaks to what really matters to people and he does it authentically. The South is far less Clinton territory than she thinks and I'll be supporting Bernie on Tuesday. So will tens of thousands of others in Georgia.
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Amen Shelly!
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Until inheritance is limited and redistricting is done the way the Founders intended, nothing will change.
Only Bernie Sanders is advocating this.
Watch Comedy Party Platform on YouTube, send a buck to Bernie, and invite me to speak. Thanks.
Only Bernie Sanders is advocating this.
Watch Comedy Party Platform on YouTube, send a buck to Bernie, and invite me to speak. Thanks.
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The smearing of Sanders and his supporters just doesn't stop. Unbelievable. We see what you're doing. If Clinton wins the nomination you know you still need Sanders supporters to vote for her, right?
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What I find depressing is the low voter turnout for the Democratic primaries in Nevada and South Carolina. In what is perhaps as consequential an election as the election of Barak Obama, the Democrats are not turning out in the numbers you would expect. Compare that to the numbers turning out to vote in the Republican primaries. If this trend continues and if Democrats don't come out for the national election, it is not going to matter who wins the Democratic nomination.
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They will turn out in numbers for the Presidential election. Trump is the new Sarah Palin. She was the reason my husband went to vote, to keep her out of office or anywhere near the White House. He is an Independent and might have voted for McCain, until she came along. I remember him coming home and saying "well I can't vote for McCain now, she is crazy". Same thing will happen with Trump/Cruz/Rubio, they will never carry the Independent/Moderate vote.
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I'm not entirely sure about Nevada, but surely in South Carolina there are probably 4 Republicans for 1 Democrat. I think Nevada is not as red as SC, and I think the demographics are changing there, but it is traditionally more of a red state, with larger numbers of Republicans.
I understand your concern CMS. But I think many democrats may feel as I do. Not ready to commit to either Hillary or Bernie at the moment, but prepared to support the democratic nominee in November. I am willing to let the primary process run its course and determine the nominee. Rest assured that nominee will have my fierce support in the general election.
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DNC may owe loyalty of the Arican Americans to direct their endorsement but certainly not mine and neither for so many others.
If they and the Media won't play fair then we can vote for Trump or stay at home eventually.
This is not North Korea and you cannot demand from me that I vote along party lines. (I'm not white in case you are wondering and Trump is going to swing to the middle after the nomination, he is doing what he has to do to get the nominee from the uneducated masses in the South).
If they and the Media won't play fair then we can vote for Trump or stay at home eventually.
This is not North Korea and you cannot demand from me that I vote along party lines. (I'm not white in case you are wondering and Trump is going to swing to the middle after the nomination, he is doing what he has to do to get the nominee from the uneducated masses in the South).
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Bernie is right on the money with his analysis of the American economic system. His problem is that most voters feel that the political system,with its oligarchy of special interests, will smother any attempt at real change. They aren't wrong.What you can say unequivocally is that South Carolina was a foreshadowing of the SEC primaries. Bernie Sanders will have occasional bright spots, but in today's American politics all is demographics. The % of minority voters in democratic primaries simply precludes Bernie's being the nominee.The media,whose ratings benefit from a perceived "horse race" will try to stir the political pot, but it's already over.
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The condescending tone of Sanders supporters is off-putting. I have a PhD and could be called "well-informed." It does not make me an automatic Sanders supporter. It's easy to call for a "Revolution." It's hard to win, as it means the responsibility to govern.
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Unfortunately for the country, the South matters more in the primaries, than in the General election were just a few swing states decide. Many of Bernie's supporters in the swing states will not vote HRC in the General. The preference just might be to write in Bernie, or stay at home. The revulsion factor against HRC is just too strong with many educated liberals. And rightly so, she is the worst imaginable candidate.
The DNC and the Times by working for Hillary are basically helping Trump get elected. But there is still hope and we will keep fighting for Bernie so as to have a more fair country in the future.
The DNC and the Times by working for Hillary are basically helping Trump get elected. But there is still hope and we will keep fighting for Bernie so as to have a more fair country in the future.
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Decisive Clinton victories in the south are a non-starter. She's winning votes from states she's going to lose in the general election if she wins the nomination. Who cares if she can win So. Carolina by 99 to 1. She's still gonna get hammered there in the general. Let's look at the states where it is going to be close in the general and see how Bernie does there. That's the bigger story.
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Yes, the Bubble is alive and well, on both sides of the aisle apparently.
And just as an aside, the lie about what Mrs Clinton actually said is yet another example of the lack of ethics in the Sanders campaign. Lies like this are all over Facebook, and everything else being equal would cause me not to support Sen Sanders. You're known by the company you keep, and his supporters are way too nasty for me.
And just as an aside, the lie about what Mrs Clinton actually said is yet another example of the lack of ethics in the Sanders campaign. Lies like this are all over Facebook, and everything else being equal would cause me not to support Sen Sanders. You're known by the company you keep, and his supporters are way too nasty for me.
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Overgeneralizations are apt to be invalid.
"If anybody really did their homework on Bernie Sanders, they would have automatically went his way."
. . . which quite a few southern states are not known for doing, rather than examining issues and understanding where their best interests lay.
If anything is going to sink America, it is going to be ignorance and the willing embrace of it due to its convenience.
. . . which quite a few southern states are not known for doing, rather than examining issues and understanding where their best interests lay.
If anything is going to sink America, it is going to be ignorance and the willing embrace of it due to its convenience.
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The corporate media and all the talking heads and all the Clintonites have been crowing from day one that we "can't win". Why would that same old tune make us give up now, when 4 of 50 states have cast ballots? Each candidate has accumulated about 2% of total pledged delegates.
Unlike Mrs. Clinton, Sen. Sanders doesn't abandon the fight and "settle" at the first sign of resistance. That's why we support him and that's why we'll stand with him to the convention and beyond.
Unlike Mrs. Clinton, Sen. Sanders doesn't abandon the fight and "settle" at the first sign of resistance. That's why we support him and that's why we'll stand with him to the convention and beyond.
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Thank you NY times for finally deciding to cater to not just one side.
This primary was never going to go Bernie's way. 86% of the voters had already decided who they were going to vote many months ago so not much we could do.
This is only the beginning and yesterday would be a distant hangover tomorrow. The real fight is yet to come and against all odds, punditry, establishment, big bank money, the Pharmas we will be victorious.
Otherwise I would vote for Trump as he will come to the middle after the Primaries. Hillary has no chance after all the injustice to ultimately us.
DNC has done the undemocratic with their bias so they don't own my loyalty.
This primary was never going to go Bernie's way. 86% of the voters had already decided who they were going to vote many months ago so not much we could do.
This is only the beginning and yesterday would be a distant hangover tomorrow. The real fight is yet to come and against all odds, punditry, establishment, big bank money, the Pharmas we will be victorious.
Otherwise I would vote for Trump as he will come to the middle after the Primaries. Hillary has no chance after all the injustice to ultimately us.
DNC has done the undemocratic with their bias so they don't own my loyalty.
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The next stop is a continuation of a political movement that will grow and spread over the coming years. The next stop is forcing all of our representatives to understand that we want equality, opportunity, and stability on our lives. The next stop is taking back the Congress from the big money lobbyists and giving it back to the people. The next stop is a public option added to Obamacare on the way to full Medicare for all. The next stop is returning funding for public universities. The next stop is the death of supply side economics.
Bernie Sanders has awakened the electorate. We now know we can demand what we want and not be tarred with the label of communist just because we want to be able to go to the doctor and not be bankrupted. We now that we can mount a strong political force to counter the Republican anti-government movement.
Bernie isn't going away and neither are his supporters. Every candidate must look over his or her shoulder. It will no longer be business as usual. They work for us now, not big money.
Bernie Sanders has awakened the electorate. We now know we can demand what we want and not be tarred with the label of communist just because we want to be able to go to the doctor and not be bankrupted. We now that we can mount a strong political force to counter the Republican anti-government movement.
Bernie isn't going away and neither are his supporters. Every candidate must look over his or her shoulder. It will no longer be business as usual. They work for us now, not big money.
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Why all the vitriol from Sanders supporters? All it does is hurt our chances of keeping the Whitehouse. We all want the same thing, it'[s just I think Hillary is more electable. The rabid Hillary bashing among Sanders supporters plays into the Republican's hands and we simply cannot afford a Republican Whitehouse, Congress and Supreme Court.
If you support Sanders then do it positively, not negatively.
If you support Sanders then do it positively, not negatively.
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This faux determination to fight on is laughable. Saying we will fight on after a drubbing like last night in SC is dishonest. Staying in the presidential race past Tuesday will damage their message but even the idea that the "movement" continues after and "keeps growing" is the nonsensical wishful thinking we heard after Nader and Perot and Kuscinich and Anderson and Dean. No one has ever heard from Perot or Nader or any of them again. Dean rejoined the mainstream and backs Clinton. Folks too far left to back Obama are too extreme for mainstream politics: they lack a reality filter and choose a less rational landscape to dwell in.
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From your lips to more volunteers' ears (and hands).
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Sanders, a virtual unknown in South Carolina, came up with 26% of the vote. What can you say to that? Feel the Bern.
I'm proud of the effort that Sanders has mounted, win or lose.
I'm proud of the effort that Sanders has mounted, win or lose.
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You can say, Bernie still needs to win some diverse states. Scratch that. Win A state. And a primary, not a Wild West caucus. Can he do that?
I'm still waiting for the portly woman to sing. But meanwhile I'm calling twice as many people and asking them to vote for Bernie--because I believe what 97% of scientists predict what climate change will do. The other candidates don't dare mention it or it might anger their pacs.
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Obama was also virtually unknown in 2008 and won SC by a huge margin.
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Instead of nibbling at the edges of the Democratic Party, Bernie's believers should get to work organizing a "Democratic Socialist" party from the ground up. Set on nominating Trump, the Republican Party looks near its expiration date- and our system needs two parties to function. Why not provide one?
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ThatJulieMiller: You're asking for Sanders's supporters to act as spoilers for the Republican Party, a party, by the way, which looks nowhere near its "expiration date". It controls both houses of Congress and most State executive and legislative branches. It's backed by an extremely rich and extremely entrenched corporate power structure. Donald Trump is nowhere near in a position to undo it.
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ThatJulieMiller,
Agreed.
But... that would kill The Democratic Party.
Thus the reason B. Sanders didn't run as an Independent.
Kind of nice of him.
Agreed.
But... that would kill The Democratic Party.
Thus the reason B. Sanders didn't run as an Independent.
Kind of nice of him.
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He is too old to build a new party. Unless there was someone very strong by his side. Anyhow - he can still get the nomination and would win against Trump, which is not clear about Hillary. I suspect Bloomberg may enter the race as soon as Trump has locked up the nomination.
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Keep plugging, Bernie team. And the truth will make you win.
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is that like when you're in a hole keep digging?
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It's a great example for our kids who grew up on instant gratification, to understand how this process takes grit, courage, endurance and perseverance.
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That's what these people need to learn: Dabbling in a quixotic Presidential election is the very opposite of the kind of perseverence it takes to change this system.
We all know what will happen: The devout Bernie supporters lose because their campaign is inept, they decide it's all a sham and they go back to not voting. Great.
We all know what will happen: The devout Bernie supporters lose because their campaign is inept, they decide it's all a sham and they go back to not voting. Great.
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For those who did not see the video: http://www.nbcnews.com/news/nbcblk/activist-protests-clinton-fundraiser-...
BTW, what a gracious private home setting for a fundrai$er. And we are to believe there will be no "influence-peddling" in politics? Represent the people, and get money out of politics!
BTW, what a gracious private home setting for a fundrai$er. And we are to believe there will be no "influence-peddling" in politics? Represent the people, and get money out of politics!
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Yawn. Killer Mike's "little black girl" was rude and certainly not interested in a response.
Yes, and a very lovely setting. What would have made you happier, a log cabin?
Sigh.
Yes, and a very lovely setting. What would have made you happier, a log cabin?
Sigh.
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Shame on Hillary.
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Ms. Clinton is the perfect candidate for the Lovely Homes People. The rest of us will just have to wait.
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The column ends with these words: “What can you say to that?”
In a debate with Bernie Sanders on February 4, Mrs. Clinton was asked if she would release transcripts, and she said she would “look into it.” Later in February, asked in a CNN town hall forum why she accepted $675,000 for speeches to Goldman Sachs, she got annoyed, shrugged, and said, “That’s what they offered.” At another town hall on February 18, a man in the audience pleaded, “Please, just release those transcripts so that we know exactly where you stand.” In the last quarterly report to the Federal Election Commission, "Priorities USA Action, the “super PAC” that is supporting Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign, raised $25 million, including $15 million from Wall Street."
On January 30, the Editorial Board of the New York Times endorsed Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Presidential nomination.
On Friday, February 26, the Editorial Board of the New York Times published another editorial entitled “Mrs. Clinton, Show Voters Those Transcripts.”
In January, Hillary Clinton said in an interview with the Des Moines Register: “Anybody who thinks they can buy me doesn’t know me.”
Show us the proof, Hillary! What can you say to that?
In a debate with Bernie Sanders on February 4, Mrs. Clinton was asked if she would release transcripts, and she said she would “look into it.” Later in February, asked in a CNN town hall forum why she accepted $675,000 for speeches to Goldman Sachs, she got annoyed, shrugged, and said, “That’s what they offered.” At another town hall on February 18, a man in the audience pleaded, “Please, just release those transcripts so that we know exactly where you stand.” In the last quarterly report to the Federal Election Commission, "Priorities USA Action, the “super PAC” that is supporting Mrs. Clinton’s presidential campaign, raised $25 million, including $15 million from Wall Street."
On January 30, the Editorial Board of the New York Times endorsed Hillary Clinton for the Democratic Presidential nomination.
On Friday, February 26, the Editorial Board of the New York Times published another editorial entitled “Mrs. Clinton, Show Voters Those Transcripts.”
In January, Hillary Clinton said in an interview with the Des Moines Register: “Anybody who thinks they can buy me doesn’t know me.”
Show us the proof, Hillary! What can you say to that?
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I say, ONE level playing field for ALL candidates. Mrs. Clinton didn't invent paid political speeches. Fans of Bernie are getting desperate....Berned out, you might say.
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My husband and I participated in a Bernie rally yesterday In Sarasota, Florida. I was amazed at the support we felt from the thousands of people who drove by and "honked" their support for Bernie. Even though he's not spending much time in Florida the "People" are coming out in big numbers to support him as our candidate. Asked by a campaign worker to speak into the camera speak one word that would explain why I came to the rally: INTEGRITY......
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The NYT says she's great. They are in the tank for her. Just look at today's puff piece for her. Smart Power indeed. Disaster for the US.
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NYT, a lot of Democrats don't see the "inevitability" that you do. In national polls, Sanders beats the Republicans by a wider margin than Clinton. Among Democrats and Republicans, Clinton is the least favorable candidate; Sanders is the most. Sanders ranks highest in Enthusiasm and Satisfaction; Clinton ranks higher in negatives--21% Dissatisfied and 33% Scared. There are reasons for these polls: voters are behind progressive issues, and don't trust corporate relationships. Only one candidate has worked 40 years for those progressive causes, and doesn't take money and advice from corporations.
Sanders in 1991 co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which has the largest membership in Congress (69), and has produced programs for healthcare, equal rights, equal pay, etc. He has no corporate money or advisors.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus
Clinton spent her time taking millions from corporations in banking, oil and gas, healthcare, pharmaceuticals etc--the opposite of progressive causes. Her supporters, advisors, and friends are the same. Her campaign chairman founded a major lobbying firm, with the same clients. These are her choices and priorities.
Democrats have a clear choice, for their candidate. They haven't all spoken yet.
Sanders in 1991 co-founded the Congressional Progressive Caucus, which has the largest membership in Congress (69), and has produced programs for healthcare, equal rights, equal pay, etc. He has no corporate money or advisors.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congressional_Progressive_Caucus
Clinton spent her time taking millions from corporations in banking, oil and gas, healthcare, pharmaceuticals etc--the opposite of progressive causes. Her supporters, advisors, and friends are the same. Her campaign chairman founded a major lobbying firm, with the same clients. These are her choices and priorities.
Democrats have a clear choice, for their candidate. They haven't all spoken yet.
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National polls, particularly match up polls nearly a year out, are meaningless. Just ask "President" Gore.
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Several northeast white liberals are trying to delegitimize the votes of Southtern blacks by calling HrC win in SC not relevant.
That is a total shame.
Let's not forget that in 2008 it was BO who won the smaller red states and a super majority of the black vote while Hillary won most of the big blue states, 9 of the 10 largest states in general, and majority of the white vote.
Obama win in 2008 was not delegitimized. It should not be, in 2016 just because Hillary is a woman.
Let us not sink to the depths of racist and sexist far right.
That is a total shame.
Let's not forget that in 2008 it was BO who won the smaller red states and a super majority of the black vote while Hillary won most of the big blue states, 9 of the 10 largest states in general, and majority of the white vote.
Obama win in 2008 was not delegitimized. It should not be, in 2016 just because Hillary is a woman.
Let us not sink to the depths of racist and sexist far right.
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I challenge you to define a vote for Bernie Sanders as racist. It seems to me, that calling out voters who vote against their own self interest based on sentiments is exactly what the poor white who vote for Billionaire candidates have always been accused of.
Many see it this way: a black vote for Hillary is a vote that will no nothing for the black population.
Many see it this way: a black vote for Hillary is a vote that will no nothing for the black population.
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Wait a minute, you said "just because Hillary is a woman". Isn't that sexist? I don't care if she female or not. I care that she is dishonest and a warmonger.
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Midtown2015 you're right. However, maybe people wouldn't delegitimize her win if there wasn't an ACTIVE effort to delegitimize Sanders. Both by the DNC and by the media pundits. Why is it by the way that the DNC scheduled fewer debates and during weekends or times with typically lower tv viewers? Obama didn't have that disadvantage, and I'm glad. We also notice that the Democratic field was cleared for her. So you can save the whole "because she's a woman" thing. If this was Elizabeth Warren or someone else people would be happy for her
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The question still remains, if Sanders doesn't win the nomination, will his supporters decline to back Clinton?
We saw how well that played out in 2000, 2010, and 2014 and turn out for the democrats is still way down in these primaries so far compared to 2008, and up for the GOP.
We saw how well that played out in 2000, 2010, and 2014 and turn out for the democrats is still way down in these primaries so far compared to 2008, and up for the GOP.
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>will his supporters decline to back Clinton?
No way. I know a lot of Sanders supporters and every one is absolutely committed to supporting her in the general. Part of Sanders' appeal is his refusal to run as a third-party spoiler or to say anything now about Clinton that would damage her in the general.
No way. I know a lot of Sanders supporters and every one is absolutely committed to supporting her in the general. Part of Sanders' appeal is his refusal to run as a third-party spoiler or to say anything now about Clinton that would damage her in the general.
I predict that Bernie's supporters will vote for Trump as payback for Bernie's failure to win the nomination. If Bernie can't be president then they will extract revenge on Hillary Clinton by making Donald Trump the 45th president.
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I have no doubt that I will never vote for Clinton. I have to retain some self-respect. Read, if you need some further proof, today's first part of a series on Clinton and Libya. Do you want this person as president? How many lives, foreign and American, will be forfeit with her in charge of foreign policy? I will vote for Stein or myself rather than pull the trigger for Clinton.
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It reminds me a lot of occupy wall street, but with a leader. It would be nice if Bernie would become president, but, as he says, we really need a political revolution. He wouldn't get much done without a political revolution.
The tea party did it, why can't progressives do it? What a mailing list Bernie has!
The tea party did it, why can't progressives do it? What a mailing list Bernie has!
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Yes. But the Tea Party didn't do it in one election cycle. Even revolutions take time, sometimes.
Good question. You may have noticed that when Obama had a veto override in Congress that he still could not get all his policies passed.
It's because the Democrats don't function as a group.
It's because the Democrats don't function as a group.
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The Tea Party was financed by Americans For Prosperity and The Koch Bros. That was obvious when those slick black buses came around. Bernie truly is grass roots.
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Emma, thanks for bringing a little balance to a website drenched in biased reports that the horserace is over.
But what we really need is reporting on the overwhelmingly dominant ISSUE in this election: our American economy and democracy have pretty much been seized from The People, by The Money.
If we don’t recover our country from The Money, we can’t really solve our other problems. Congress will remain in the hands of puppets voting as paid for by The Money. States will remain Gerrymandered as arranged by puppets of The Money.
Piketty reported on the grotesque inequality in wealth in this country in his recent book. The Guardian just a week or two ago ran a short column about it, written by Piketty. That one short article provided more valuable information for voters than I’ve seen in eight months of election “news” and “opinion” in the New York Times.
But what we really need is reporting on the overwhelmingly dominant ISSUE in this election: our American economy and democracy have pretty much been seized from The People, by The Money.
If we don’t recover our country from The Money, we can’t really solve our other problems. Congress will remain in the hands of puppets voting as paid for by The Money. States will remain Gerrymandered as arranged by puppets of The Money.
Piketty reported on the grotesque inequality in wealth in this country in his recent book. The Guardian just a week or two ago ran a short column about it, written by Piketty. That one short article provided more valuable information for voters than I’ve seen in eight months of election “news” and “opinion” in the New York Times.
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Are you kidding? This is by far the most biased article about the race so far, simply because it bends over backwards to pretend sanders has any shot left to win this nomination. NYT isn't biased because it doesn't by your delusional thinking, its sober analysis of the actual likelihoods of the results of the race.
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The NYT is part of the problem, so they can't be part of the solution. That is why the horse race aspect is so valuable to them.
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Clinton is not inevitable. I was an ardent Clinton supporter in 2008. Now, not so much. The baggage is getting heavy in a race too important upon which to take risks. South Carolina does not reflect the Nation.
If she is the nominee I will kind of hold my nose and vote for her rather than any of the GOP candidates or any independent. But I believe that Sanders can win; especially if he offers her the Vice-presidency.
If she is the nominee I will kind of hold my nose and vote for her rather than any of the GOP candidates or any independent. But I believe that Sanders can win; especially if he offers her the Vice-presidency.
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I supported Clinton in 2008 as well and donated to her campaign. If Sanders doesn't get the nomination, I will take my chance with Trump.
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She might even find herself headed for jail.
NY Times, do your research: have we ever had a president in jail? Or impeached like her husband, but the Republican Senate presided over by a Republican Supreme Court Justice would eliminate her.
NY Times, do your research: have we ever had a president in jail? Or impeached like her husband, but the Republican Senate presided over by a Republican Supreme Court Justice would eliminate her.
Elizabeth Warren is the best choice for VP. Then she can be groomed to be our first female pres.
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that is a very appropriate question by the author, at the end of the piece...a group of Sanders supporters, who have just been beaten more badly than Ronda Rousey in her last fifght, staying long into the night, tv on mute,discussing their Candidates obvious momentum. Yes, when one starts at 25 per cent of votes, it can only go Up from there!! And the answer to your Question on the reason these supporters stayed at the "Party" all night??...They were Drunk
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"First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.” - Mahatma Gandhi.
He'll need Bernistas filling all Congressional and statehouse seats available 2016, so the mission's not yet completed for Sanders' legions; no one said it was going to be easy . . . "Hi-ho hi-ho, it's off to work we go . . ."
He'll need Bernistas filling all Congressional and statehouse seats available 2016, so the mission's not yet completed for Sanders' legions; no one said it was going to be easy . . . "Hi-ho hi-ho, it's off to work we go . . ."
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Listening to the MSM pundits and bloviators you would think Sanders' loss in SC is the end of the line for his campaign. It isn't. If anything his presence has made Hillary tack dramatically left coming far closer to what the country needs to escape from the drastic policies promulgated by the Republican Party.
The real problems facing America stem from the central themes of Racism and bigotry which underscores Bernies obsession with income inequality. The Clinton machine has been highly successful with black voters despite both President Clinton and Hillary's support of legislation that has been detrimental to the black community. Bernies been out there since the mid days of the civil rights struggle. He truly cares and it comes across.
Bernie is the real deal and his campaign continues to excite the electorate. They (MSM) first ignored him, then say he's not electable, and now "the momentum is against him". Please, let the people decide with their votes.
The real problems facing America stem from the central themes of Racism and bigotry which underscores Bernies obsession with income inequality. The Clinton machine has been highly successful with black voters despite both President Clinton and Hillary's support of legislation that has been detrimental to the black community. Bernies been out there since the mid days of the civil rights struggle. He truly cares and it comes across.
Bernie is the real deal and his campaign continues to excite the electorate. They (MSM) first ignored him, then say he's not electable, and now "the momentum is against him". Please, let the people decide with their votes.
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"his presence has made Hillary tack dramatically left"
She says it in a primary against Bernie. I don't believe for a second that has anything at all to do with what she'd do as President.
What she'd do is what she has always done. Firebreathing speeches on the Senate floor to attack Iraq, attack Libya, attack Syria, $5 billion to regime change Ukraine with a pure neocon team. And don't forget EVERY trade agreements from NAFTA to the present one, and ties to Wall Street about which she does her usual hide the evidence game.
She says it in a primary against Bernie. I don't believe for a second that has anything at all to do with what she'd do as President.
What she'd do is what she has always done. Firebreathing speeches on the Senate floor to attack Iraq, attack Libya, attack Syria, $5 billion to regime change Ukraine with a pure neocon team. And don't forget EVERY trade agreements from NAFTA to the present one, and ties to Wall Street about which she does her usual hide the evidence game.
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the people ARE deciding, get the drift??
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Mark, I agree with your assessment of a Hillary Presidency. Personally I'm a Bernie supporter and pray he gains the nomination (against all odds and the Clinton machine). But in the event Hillary becomes POTUS, I'm hoping for a "come to Jesus moment" where, for the good of the country, she has an epiphany and "feels the Bern."
Clinton is not electable, she has very little cross platform appeal and even democrats do not trust her. Her integrity is highly questionable and she has received far too much money from various industries to be fair and balanced. The DNC has rammed her down our throat and, as a result, we may end up with a Republican president. I used to be a Hillary supporter but after looking into her past, I can no longer support her.
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I used to be neutral about Hillary and believed - lie so many here - that the right was rabid about her. I have watched very closely during the past several months. With no joy, I see they were right about her in several ways.
I think some people hear the words "not trustworthy" and think in the quotient way, would you leave your belongs next to her and walk away? Yes, I would. Would I trust her to have a core set of beliefs that guide her behavior, absolutely not. She is amoral and does whatever works for her and her goals. She is and has always been a Republican in her policies and fund raising.
Nothing she adopts from Bernie's language will carry over in the White House, should she get there. I do understand that Bill and Chelsea are measuring the drapes. Let's make sure they don't get to buy them.
I think some people hear the words "not trustworthy" and think in the quotient way, would you leave your belongs next to her and walk away? Yes, I would. Would I trust her to have a core set of beliefs that guide her behavior, absolutely not. She is amoral and does whatever works for her and her goals. She is and has always been a Republican in her policies and fund raising.
Nothing she adopts from Bernie's language will carry over in the White House, should she get there. I do understand that Bill and Chelsea are measuring the drapes. Let's make sure they don't get to buy them.
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The denial shown by the Sanders crusaders is quaint.
The man does not have a prayer of winning, yet on they go, posting and posturing and ranting.
Burn the veal!
The man does not have a prayer of winning, yet on they go, posting and posturing and ranting.
Burn the veal!
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Please leave veal out of this. And if you must eat veal, don't burn it.
- a proud vegetarian -
- a proud vegetarian -
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T-bone, be thankful we live in a free country and a democracy which means everyone has a right to express and participate. Prayer for winning, that's what Obama was told when he took on the Clinton machine, we all saw what happened. It takes courage for someone to tell the truth and we cannot be more grateful to Bernie for his message. He has inspired millions and he has won their hearts. Whether he wins election, against a powerful monied Clinton machine, will depend on whether the country is ready yet to address inequality, injustice.
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T-bone,
Well we could bow our heads and give into the Status Quo,
Look dower and somber knowing that our lives will not be getting any better in the next foreseeable future. Hoping beyond hope we aren't getting fooled again.
But those faces are already taken by Hillary's campaign.
One doesn't need to be jealous of enthusiasm. Condescension and derision takes more effort than a smile.
Dang I am tired now for sure.... Enjoy.
Well we could bow our heads and give into the Status Quo,
Look dower and somber knowing that our lives will not be getting any better in the next foreseeable future. Hoping beyond hope we aren't getting fooled again.
But those faces are already taken by Hillary's campaign.
One doesn't need to be jealous of enthusiasm. Condescension and derision takes more effort than a smile.
Dang I am tired now for sure.... Enjoy.
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I will be proudly voting for Hillary Clinton this November, but admire and respect Bernie Sanders as well.
That said, the attitudes of the Sanders supporters described in this article (not to mention the staggering amount of anti-Clinton vitriol coming from the Sanders camp on Facebook et al.) is appalling. Sanders's supporters may be tenacious, but their childish and spiteful attitude towards his opponent are not doing the Democratic Party any favors.
That said, the attitudes of the Sanders supporters described in this article (not to mention the staggering amount of anti-Clinton vitriol coming from the Sanders camp on Facebook et al.) is appalling. Sanders's supporters may be tenacious, but their childish and spiteful attitude towards his opponent are not doing the Democratic Party any favors.
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They're not doing Sanders any favors, either. Not since Nader has a left-wing candidate's supporters so turned me off the candidate himself. Either Bernie approves of what they're doing or he can't control it. Neither option makes Sanders look good.
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No, they're not doing the Democratic party any favors, and neither is Hillary Clinton with her email scandal, Wall Street speaking fees, and general opportunism. Could there ever been a weaker Democratic candidate than Hillary? The fact that Bernie Sanders may also be weak does not cancel out that question. Trump will destroy her in any general election. The polls already are starting to indicate such.
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His supporters realize that the status quo (which Hillary represents) HAS to change. Sometimes things have to get VERY BAD before they get better. So better the Republican who will make things SO BAD that maybe the next election will be one that promotes REAL CHANGE. That is NOT a childish attitude. It is a realistic attitude.
Just look at the Republican party. When things got bad for them, they managed to make significant changes (for the worse).
Go Bernie
Just look at the Republican party. When things got bad for them, they managed to make significant changes (for the worse).
Go Bernie
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"Supporters at the Sanders watch party agreed with the contrast Killer Mike drew and implied that Mrs. Clinton’s concern for black voters was not genuine."
"Concern" has about as much impact as the phrase "lip service". Bernie "White Flight" Sanders made is true feelings known years ago, choosing to be a progressive firebrand operating out of +98% white Vermont. Not that Hillary "Chappaqua NY" Clinton doesn't exhibit her own liberal hypocrisy on race with a less than 1% African-American population.
But you go both Hillary and Bernie, preach to the white folks about how they should integrate their neighborhoods and schools. Then return to the safety of your homes.
"Concern" has about as much impact as the phrase "lip service". Bernie "White Flight" Sanders made is true feelings known years ago, choosing to be a progressive firebrand operating out of +98% white Vermont. Not that Hillary "Chappaqua NY" Clinton doesn't exhibit her own liberal hypocrisy on race with a less than 1% African-American population.
But you go both Hillary and Bernie, preach to the white folks about how they should integrate their neighborhoods and schools. Then return to the safety of your homes.
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Don't ask me to choose.
Join me in calling for a #FusionTicket instead.
Let the primaries sort out who's in the top slot, and who's second; we need them BOTH!
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fusionticket-roughacres-rl-mckee
Join me in calling for a #FusionTicket instead.
Let the primaries sort out who's in the top slot, and who's second; we need them BOTH!
https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/fusionticket-roughacres-rl-mckee
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Whichever of the two is nominated by the Convention, they should immediately select the other as their running mate.
According to The Nation, Ashley Williams interrupted Clinton to demand an apology for her role in mass incarceration and specifically her allusion to how to deal young black people who commit crimes, which many people have omitted from their hagiographic accounts Clinton's relation with African Amerccans:
"On Wednesday night, Ashley Williams, a black queer organizer living in Charlotte, North Carolina, interrupted a private Hillary Clinton fundraiser. Williams, elbowing to the front of the audience, unfurled a sign that read “We have to bring them to heel,” a line from Clinton’s now-infamous 1996 “super-predators” speech, recently cited in Michelle Alexander’s article on the Clinton legacy for The Nation.
As Williams demanded that Clinton apologize for mass incarceration, voices in the crowd muttered, “You’re a trespasser” and “That’s inappropriate, please.”
Clinton fumbled for a response, ultimately landing on “Do you want to hear the facts or do you just want to talk,” and “You know what, no one’s ever asked me before. You’re the first person to ask me, and I’m happy to address it, but you’re the first person to ask me, dear.” Clinton then turned back to her audience, as Williams was escorted out of the event, relieved to be able to “get back to the issues.”
"On Wednesday night, Ashley Williams, a black queer organizer living in Charlotte, North Carolina, interrupted a private Hillary Clinton fundraiser. Williams, elbowing to the front of the audience, unfurled a sign that read “We have to bring them to heel,” a line from Clinton’s now-infamous 1996 “super-predators” speech, recently cited in Michelle Alexander’s article on the Clinton legacy for The Nation.
As Williams demanded that Clinton apologize for mass incarceration, voices in the crowd muttered, “You’re a trespasser” and “That’s inappropriate, please.”
Clinton fumbled for a response, ultimately landing on “Do you want to hear the facts or do you just want to talk,” and “You know what, no one’s ever asked me before. You’re the first person to ask me, and I’m happy to address it, but you’re the first person to ask me, dear.” Clinton then turned back to her audience, as Williams was escorted out of the event, relieved to be able to “get back to the issues.”
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"Do you want to hear the facts?"
Now that is an interesting comment from one who consistently changes those "facts" to meet her objective which is only to become the first female president of the USA. And she will say and do anything to reach that objective.
Now that is an interesting comment from one who consistently changes those "facts" to meet her objective which is only to become the first female president of the USA. And she will say and do anything to reach that objective.
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Hillary's tone of condescension says it all. It shows who she is when she alone.
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There is no “next stop” for Bernie lacking a credible plan to get any part of his agenda through an opposed Congress – particularly considering the frontal assaults he makes on even the decency of those ideologically opposed to him. And it’s not just blacks – anybody who feels vested in the ability of a Democratic candidate to obtain ANYTHING of a liberal agenda but is a hard-headed realist about ability to deliver likely will vote Hillary and not Bernie. She gives the strong impression as well as record that she’d be able to work with Republicans to get SOMETHING in compromise; while Bernie doesn’t let a day go by without attacking on the most personal bases possible the very people on whom he would need to depend to accomplish anything as president.
Some argue that he was able to accomplish things as Mayor of Burlington that nobody thought he could – but he did that by getting Republicans there replaced by Democrats who sympathized with him. In order to do that as president he would need to see BOTH a Republican House and Senate transformed to Democratic majorities, and that’s simply not going to happen.
Bernie Sanders as president would become a lame duck on the day of his inaugural.
Every state with a significant number of electoral votes (and primary delegates) has a significant black population. Bernie’s fifteen minutes are almost over. His “next stop” is back to the Senate, where he will resume his estrangement, not just from Republicans but also from Democrats.
Some argue that he was able to accomplish things as Mayor of Burlington that nobody thought he could – but he did that by getting Republicans there replaced by Democrats who sympathized with him. In order to do that as president he would need to see BOTH a Republican House and Senate transformed to Democratic majorities, and that’s simply not going to happen.
Bernie Sanders as president would become a lame duck on the day of his inaugural.
Every state with a significant number of electoral votes (and primary delegates) has a significant black population. Bernie’s fifteen minutes are almost over. His “next stop” is back to the Senate, where he will resume his estrangement, not just from Republicans but also from Democrats.
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If Republicans decide not to work with her, she will have to trade concessions of substance for appearances of victory while they look for grounds to impeach her. She may get a few victories, but the basic deadlock will prevail. Bernie will face deadlock too, but rather than trying fancy backroom maneuvers and deals to get something done, he will go front and center with their obstruction and the huge income and wealth redistribution that the rich have pulled. He will sell this redistribution as the ultimate foundation most of our country's problems rather than a natural result of the industriousness of the rich.
If many more people buy into this tale of redistribution, the politically impossible will, like the Donald's candidacy, become possible. Otherwise we get deadlock at best and the return of dubya's policies at worst.
If many more people buy into this tale of redistribution, the politically impossible will, like the Donald's candidacy, become possible. Otherwise we get deadlock at best and the return of dubya's policies at worst.
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C3p0:
She'd need to trade concessions of substance for opposed concessions of substance anyway; and don't be absurd -- unless she commits impeachable offenses this Congress will seek to work with her -- the impeachable offenses were her husband's forte, not hers, and indeed GOT him impeached.
As to Bernie, I hear yet again the curious notion that we should nominate then elect as president a man who can't actually get anything done but speak pretty about what he regards as life's injustices. Sell redistribution? He can't even sell himself to the constituency most loyal to liberals in a generation.
And don't be so quick to assume that EITHER Hillary OR Bernie will be elected; and Dubya's policies, other than those Iraq related, were just fine.
She'd need to trade concessions of substance for opposed concessions of substance anyway; and don't be absurd -- unless she commits impeachable offenses this Congress will seek to work with her -- the impeachable offenses were her husband's forte, not hers, and indeed GOT him impeached.
As to Bernie, I hear yet again the curious notion that we should nominate then elect as president a man who can't actually get anything done but speak pretty about what he regards as life's injustices. Sell redistribution? He can't even sell himself to the constituency most loyal to liberals in a generation.
And don't be so quick to assume that EITHER Hillary OR Bernie will be elected; and Dubya's policies, other than those Iraq related, were just fine.
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The way that some Clinton supporters delude themselves that a woman who was interrogated by a hostile Congress for 12 hours purely because they despise her will somehow "work with" them is almost Republican in its embrace of alternate realities. The Republican refrain for the past year has been "Hillary for Prison 2016" and you think they're going to be more receptive to her plans than they have been to President Obama's?
There are some plausible arguments to be made for Hillary's candidacy but this is not one of them.
There are some plausible arguments to be made for Hillary's candidacy but this is not one of them.
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South Carolina was never going to be a win for Sanders and it really doesn't at all mean Berniementum is waning. Today saw pro-Sanders marches in at least 45 cities, according to US Uncut. It would have been nice to see at least some national mainstream media outlets cover them. Here is the link to the item. http://usuncut.com/politics/media-blackout-as-thousands-of-bernie-suppor...
Mike Bloomberg will decide and possibly announce he is entering the fray in less than two weeks. His entry will signal only one thing, as far as Clinton is concerned: Bloomberg's lack of confidence in her ability to win. Bloomberg is said to be making this decision based on polling commissioned by him. Were he to enter the fray, he is expected to draw voters from both Clinton and Trump. Sanders' trustworthiness ratings are far higher than Clinton's and the reasons for his following have a deeper resonance with voters, including on the influence of money in politics, an area in which Clinton has vulnerabilities. Bloomberg's entry would change the game entirely.
So, yeah... The fat lady is still in the wings, gargling with tea and honey (Charles Blow paraphrase.)
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See my analysis here: http://wp.me/p2KJ3H-23F
Mike Bloomberg will decide and possibly announce he is entering the fray in less than two weeks. His entry will signal only one thing, as far as Clinton is concerned: Bloomberg's lack of confidence in her ability to win. Bloomberg is said to be making this decision based on polling commissioned by him. Were he to enter the fray, he is expected to draw voters from both Clinton and Trump. Sanders' trustworthiness ratings are far higher than Clinton's and the reasons for his following have a deeper resonance with voters, including on the influence of money in politics, an area in which Clinton has vulnerabilities. Bloomberg's entry would change the game entirely.
So, yeah... The fat lady is still in the wings, gargling with tea and honey (Charles Blow paraphrase.)
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See my analysis here: http://wp.me/p2KJ3H-23F
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HRC won SC by a bigger margin than sanders won NH.
SC is a bigger and more important state than NH.
But yes, Hillary is a woman, so I guess it is a Ok to delegitimize her win.
Bloomberg will not run if Hillary is the nominee. He WILL run if Sanders wins the nomination. That has been made very clear
SC is a bigger and more important state than NH.
But yes, Hillary is a woman, so I guess it is a Ok to delegitimize her win.
Bloomberg will not run if Hillary is the nominee. He WILL run if Sanders wins the nomination. That has been made very clear
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It may not be a surprise that Hillary won SC but the margin (way over 20%) does not leave much hope for Bernie - see 538.
I don't mind whether it is Hillary or Bernie or my dead uncle. As long as it is not a Republican. And once the Republicans have convinced the majority of this country that Sanders is a communist we are toast.
I don't mind whether it is Hillary or Bernie or my dead uncle. As long as it is not a Republican. And once the Republicans have convinced the majority of this country that Sanders is a communist we are toast.
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I thought it was over when Nate Cohn sings.
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Bernie hasn't lost the nomination yet, so this is pre-grieving at this point, but yes, it's probable Bernie will lose. It's ALWAYS been probable that Bernie would be unable to win.
I don't know what to say to Bernie's folks except the following -- what are you grieving? Is it Bernie himself as an irreplaceable individual? Are you thinking that having lost at this moment no other will come? Or is it that it won't be worth it to you to try again, WORK at it? Or perhaps the most important question ... are of a mind that if you cannot have everything your way, you want nothing ... the "if you don't give me everything I want, then I'll help burn down the house, you deserve it because you won't give me what I want."
Why did you ever think that the enormous change you want would be easy? Look at Civil Rights -- look at what it took to make change, how incomplete that change remains today, and how those who didn't want that change then and still don't want it now are still fighting it.
Look at the changes FDR achieved as a result of the Great Depression -- there are STILL people fighting against those changes!