Trump Now Faces True Test; Clinton’s Win Suggests National Edge

Feb 21, 2016 · 125 comments
JXG (San Francisco)
Bernie fans want it both ways.

They want him to be treated like a "real" candidate, but without demanding details and support for (1) how he'll work with a Congress that wants to repeal what we have and instead take it even further or (2) funding college tuition at public schools while throwing all public and private schools into chaos.

They also want him to be treated as a protest candidate, where he gets credit for a close finish or for making large strides, without regards to demographics or statistics. He won NH as a neighboring Senator and his success so far have been in two of the least diverse (racially and economically) states.
Maxine E. (Visalia, CA)
It is very clear that Mrs. Clinton does not have the youth vote. Contrary to mainstream corporate media she does not poll as well as Mr. Sanders against Trump. It is not rocket science: big money rehash is just not that compelling even if it has a kinder face. if the millennial generation doesn't take it this time, they will the next time. Maybe we will have the Trump Spectacle Show in between which could entertain for a while, but too many young people have seen through the manufactured Disneyland version of our current political reality. Incremental change is only appealing to the ahistorical and faint of heart. It is time for a new New Deal and to roll back the billionaire class' undermining of policies that support the middle and working classes to flourish. The times they are a-changin'! Hillary Clinton needs to get out of the road!
Taps (Usa)
I see one thing common in mainstream media ,
"No mater how many time Trump wins , He is not a Winner "
Wake up guys ! You are still in Dreams.
you forget one thing in Political mud throwing is that Trump is a business man who knows his customers .
It's his art of Deal that you are not getting.
I see one thing from the beginning. He came with a instinct to Win and he showing it day in and day out.
This instinct is absent in other candidate.
the Mainstream media spending time to understand Trump while Trump spending time understand voters.
Dave M. (Melbourne, Fl)
Rubio finishes third, and a poor second, and this shows he's a strong contender. Sanders ties, wins big, then loses by just a bit (when he had been 30 points down), and this shows his campaign is in trouble. Just come out and say, "trust us, you unwashed masses, the republican candidate should be Rubio, and the democratic candidate should be Clinton."
njglea (Seattle)
The press tries to tell us that Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton doesn't have a main issue that she promotes. Oh, Yes She Does and she's leaving it to US to shout about. For the first time in America's 240 year HIStory the MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE TO BE THE NEXT PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES IS A WOMAN. That is something to shout about and every thinking woman - and man who loves them - MUST vote for her. She is a courageous, strong, woman and we owe her a debt of gratitude for putting herself out there again, knowing all the hate attacks and lies she would endure, to serve US. She has my vote.
Chris (NYC)
It baffles me that this article, like so many others, bases its predictions on the assumption that voters for candidates who drop out will automatically go to someone other than Donald Trump. I see no evidence of that.

Voters don't sit down with a list of all the candates' positions and analyze them rigorously to find the candidate most similar to their own views. Often they just go with a gut reaction. One such reaction, after you backed a candidate who lost big, is to go with someone who's winning big.
blackmamba (IL)
Which Hispanic/Latino Americans are we talking about in Nevada and elsewhere? Hispanic/Latino is unique American designation resting in a Spanish language and cultural heritage that has nothing to do with race, color or national origin or any combination of those factors.

About 2/3rds of the Hispanic/Latino Americans are mestizo, mulatto, Garifuna, African and Native Mexican. Unlike the white Cubans such as Rafael Edward Cruz and Marco Antonio Rubio, they are being deported in record numbers while hiding in the illegal immigrant shadows without any hope of comprehensive immigration reform. With 2nd place Puerto Ricans (9.5%) looking similar while being American citizens. Salvadorans, Dominicans, and Cubans Americans who follow also mostly resemble that demographic.
Tom Magnum (Texas)
It looks like a Trump/Rubio ticket. Ted Cruz has not represented Texas well in the senate. Clinton will probably win Texas in the democrat primary but has no chance of carrying the state in the general. Texas will cast its 38 electoral votes for the republican ticket. The electors will be chosen by congressional districts at the state republican convention.
Ed (Old Field, NY)
Cruz is caught between conservatism and Constitutionalism. If elected President, it will be his responsibility to enforce every provision of the ACA, for example, and (presumably) defend it in the Supreme Court against challenge, unless and until such time as Congress offers him legislation to sign that would amend it. If not, and the President can unilaterally, at its discretion, decide which existing laws are to be preferred, delayed, disregarded, or superseded, or abandoned before the Court, then his understanding of executive power is hardly distinguishable from that of the Obama administration.
hp (usa)
True test, as in ..

Donald versus Goliath
(aka)
The Prussian Prince versus Ma Barker
(aka)
Perseus versus Medusa
(aka)
Wolfman versus Frankenstein' and his Bride.

Because, we all know that with the Clintons, it's two carnies for the price of one.
(aka)
Watch your back..

No? It seems the (vast) majority thinks so.
Bill included, truth be told..
Lippity Ohmer (Virginia)
To be honest, because of his wild card stature, I'm most frightened of a Trump candidacy, against either Hillary or Bernie.

Against Hillary, we already know Trump's tactic. He'll say that Bill Clinton should've kept it in his pants, and repeat that line ad nauseam. I'm not sure if that'll work all through a general election match up, but it sure did work the first time the Clintons spoke up about Trump; since then, after Trump brought up Bill's sexual escapades, not a word from the Clintons.

Against Bernie, I'm sure it'll be just some variation on making fun of 'socialist' values or liberalism or whatever. Either way, it won't be a substantive criticism, but it will be repeated, once again, ad nauseam.

Now, I'm not sure Trump can actually win against either democratic candidate - in fact, I'd bet against it - but that doesn't mean I know what he's capable of. Honestly, I thought he'd be out of it a month or two into his campaign back when it first started; alas, here we are...
Rosss49 -- Ross Spears ([email protected]/ Johnson City , TN)
I am deeply impressed with Hillary Clinton. She has a wonderful value system that I share -- she values all people, all races, creeds, social groups, rich and poor alike -- and she has always worked for justice. She is deeply experienced in both foreign and domestic matters. She is also a fighter, which appeals to me very much. She has been attacked viciously by the right and now, the left as well. Bernie doesn't need to attack her because the Republican Smear Machine has been doing so for decades. If folks feel negatively about her, it's because the Smear Machine has been partly successful. But Hillary Clinton keeps on keeping on --working for the benefit of the men, women and children of this country. She will be an excellent President. And the first woman too!
cycledancing (CA)
I would also like to add that it is very depressing to read the comments online from those who are supporting Bernie who say they will vote for Trump if Clinton is nominated. The Bernie supporter hate of Clinton borders on outright misogyny. For a woman whose consciousness was raised in the 60s, this is an extremely disturbing development.
cycledancing (CA)
I couldn't agree with you more. This is my experience of her too.
merc (east amherst, ny)
I can only hope you continue to comment in this fashion when there's a Comment section provided. You are so spot on.

Especially as it seems there is an organized group who mention nothing but remarks that have been in the spin cycle for the past month condemning Hillary.

At first I believed it was just the millennials who had finally found there 'rebel grabbing a cause' moment. But now I believe there is a concerted effort from the Right, the Republicans, who are portraying themselves as Bernie supporters because they know Hillary will trounce Trump.

With Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee they can win, portraying Sanders 24/7 as a Socialist. As soon as he gets the Democratic nod, He'll wear the Socialist label around his neck like a dead body.
Texas voter (Arlington)
It is too late to win the nomination by simply exceeding expectations. Rubio has not win a single state - it is fantasy to think he can suddenly sweep the table. His big money backers have lost control of the mob they usually manipulate so easily. Sanders has not shown any ability to increase turnout - he is simply channeling the frustration of the left. Sanders cannot win the nomination, since the far left backing him are too lazy to show up and vote and win back congress. It will be Trump vs Hilary!
R.Wack (St. Louis)
Just as soon as it gets down to a two person race for the nomination, Trump loses. His negatives are way too high. At that point, it's Rubio or Cruz.

Hillary loses to both Rubio and Cruz, but Cruz cannot be the nominee unless the fascist party wants to sit out the presidential election, so she loses to Rubio...which the polls have shown for months now.

Polls show that Bernie beats all of the possible fascist candidates in November.
________________________

Re the theocrat:
Cruz has very high negatives, not to mention that the one thing Trump gets right is that Cruz cannot ever be defined as a 'natural born American citizen' and, therefore cannot be the President of the United States. The ONLY way you can be 'natural born' is to be born in the United States or on territory the U.S. controls. That would be the definition of the term which the founders inserted into the Constitution, and it's a term from English common law which the founders understood perfectly well. Not only that, which is absolutely definitive, but Cruz' mother had already renounced her citizenship to the Canadian government in order to become a Canadian citizen before Teddy-boy was born, which is enough to at least question whether or not she should have been automatically considered a U.S. citizen when she returned to live with the nightmare who is Teddy-boy's Dominionist Theocratic Cuban father AND it should also put into question Teddy-boy's own citizenship.
Mark (Tennessee)
EC protects against one party system making it near impossible a republican wins November. This is why Republican leaders are divided. They know a vetted Rubio has great chance in 2020s so are looking ahead since the party can't win 16. They don't want a damaged party Trump would cause since then it's 2030s before next chance.
Carolyn (Saint Augustine, Florida)
If the race comes down to Trump versus Clinton, I would vote Trump.
If the race comes down to Trump versus Sanders, I would vote Sanders.

I like Trump's all business stance on war and foreign policy. He doesn't need to be a meddlesome force abroad, whereas Clinton is a warmonger, which is my chief objection to her. She's rash and has shown extremely poor judgment in the past, but beyond that, she is not principled, excessively lies and flip flops. That is the sign of a sociopath, and a war mongering sociopath at the helm does not bode well for the country.

Trump is blunt; again, he's also winning me over in foreign policy, so he's certainly more appealing than Clinton, albeit my first choice is Sanders. Sanders has the sense to know that we are in decline as a nation, and we must adopt more inclusive ways to support our best and brightest as well as our hard working middle class if we are to continue to be strong. Strength requires unity not elitism.

Clinton would be a disaster. My observation of her is that she is a hollow sycophant for anybody with money. When necessary, she mimics Sanders on policy but it's not her true vocation. She is deceitful, angry and an elitist. She'll take the country into war and sink it with debt and financial inequality if she is elected. She won't be elected if she opposes Trump. Sanders is the only person who can beat Trump. I'm an independent. I would cast my vote for Sanders or Trump, never Clinton.
cycledancing (CA)
Trump is the most aggressive candidate running. He already has had a significantly bad effect on American relations abroad. If you think Trump will keep us out of conflict I just don't know what to say about it. He is more warmongering that anyone else in recent memory. He creates conflict instead of resolving it.
David Gregory (Deep Red South)
Not sure what you are smoking, but the Nevada results of 80,000 voters in a state with 2.8 million people does not say a whole lot about anything.

The Clinton Campiagn is through the looking glass. Less than 50% in a two person race (Iowa) is cast as a victory, a thrashing in New Hampshire is discounted because it is populated by mostly white people, etc.

Come December when the Electoral College meets, do you really think that South Carolina or Mississippi are going to send Democratic Electors to Washington? Yet we are lending inconsequential states outsized importance in selecting a nominee. National polling by Quinnipiac tells us Hillary is in trouble against any Republican and Bernie beats any Republican. Last time I checked the point was to select someone who can win the election- not to nominate someone who thinks it is her turn.
Ernie (Los Angeles)
The DNC has a corrupt system with super-delegates that vote according to how the party wants rather than what the voters want, and a caucus system with caucus leaders designated by the party to collect the votes and "insulate" the voters from the nomination, it is a fixed scam to the democratic process.
Ray (Texas)
Of course HRC has the edge, her cronies in the Democratic Party have made sure of that. Every card game has a sucker: if you don't know who the sucker is, it's you (Bernie). You got played and the only question is what you will do about it?
mahender Goriganti (USA)
Hillary's win now is a guaranteed loss of POTUS to GOP as Trump is already selling himself as more democratic than Hillary, as any hardcore republicans who hate Hillary will also vote for Trump nevertheless, may aslo some of the doubtful independents and moderate dems about Hillary. The game is over for DEMs, unless some thing dramatic happens before june convention.
Ray (Texas)
Pretty much. Hillary is a terrible candidate and there's no way she stands up to Trump. He'll steamroll her, even if she doesn't get indicted for her home-brew server fiasco. Which is highly likely...
Sukie McCormick (<br/>)
Plenty of Republicans are repulsed by Trump and will vote for Clinton if push comes to shove.
merc (east amherst, ny)
You are so right and I believe we have 'come to shove.'

Trump is so juvenile and only the red meat types, each with all the brains of a log, want this guy to represent us on the big stage. It's a while a way, but come post election, these Trump supporters will return to their bowling allies and pool halls where they can pick up where they left off three months ago, complaining away as they get sloshed, yelling as they watch big screen TV's USA, USA.
Yohami (AR)
Rubio loses by double digits but the NYtimes calls it "strong". No wonder why mainstream media has no credibility.
Nora01 (New England)
Doesn't Trump's win "suggest a national edge" as well? He won in a state with a large black population, the one Hillary is a shoe-in for? Why the difference in the way you are handling this coverage? Your aren't biased, are you?

Actually, Trump seems as good as Hillary to me. They will both say anything to win, but who knows what you will get once in office. I fully expect she will be as much of a disappointment to the left as both her husband and Obama have been, centerists, corporatists all. Trump or Hillary, really other than words, what's the difference? They both will keep funding Planned Parenthood and leave Social Security as is. Their positions, such as they are, are pretty close.

Would someone please tell me what Hillary persoanlly has done to make her Black America's bff? I know Sanders was arrested (photos to prove it from the Chicago Times) for protesting seregaged housing in Chicago and was in King's March on Washington, so that's puttng your money where your mouth is. What did she do? Please clear up this mystery.
Winthrop (I'm over here)
The defamation of Hillery is like some gutter sport.
She is handling it pretty well, looking like Joan-of-Arc.
Ben Alcala (San Antonio TX)
Getting tired of all the pro-Hillary Clinton headlines in the NY Times. Bernie Sanders came out of nowhere and finished a few percentage points behind, so Hillary barely won and Bernie barely lost.

Still waiting to hear about the FBI investigation into the email server that is still active. Most likely the other shoe will fall after she wins the nomination, which will only end up helping the GOP.

Trump will beat Hillary, if she wins the Democratic nomination that is all she wrote for the Democrats. All we are going to hear about will be the email server, Benghazi, millions in dollars from speaking to Wall Street, her vote on Iraq, etc., etc., etc.

Glad to hear that Hispanics are feeling the Bern, not sure why Blacks are so hot for Hillary especially after how they were treated during Bill's administration. I would really love to support my Black brothers and sisters but right now if Donald Trump manages to get elected President it will solely on them.

Too bad too because if Blacks bothered to take a minute to examine Bernie's policy positions they too would start feeling the Bern. Blacks voting in a reflexive, knee jerk fashion does not help anybody, especially Blacks themselves.

And it looks like the so-called "Reagan Democrats" are now irrevocably Republicans.

Oh well, looks like I better start making plans to find work in Mexico, Canada or Europe so I can get the hell out of Dodge when "The Donald" wins the Presidency.
Michelle (NYC)
Nothing like a great white hope deciding they know exactly why we "Blacks" are voting the way we are and of course, that could ONLY be a "reflective, knee jerk" reaction. After all, given we are incapable of thoughtful deliberate action, we've always needed to be told, by patronizing whites especially, what's in our best interests. If you are representative of Sander's supporters, I'm making the TRULY reflective knee jerk decision to run like hell!
Chuck (NY)
This is a victory for Bernie Sanders. He started out an unknown and ended up with a pretty tight race. The more people know about him the more they like while the more they hear from Hillary the fewer votes she gets.
Ulko S (Cleveland)
Using super delegates, basically the old guard party faithful, to secure the nomination is like using the supreme court to win the presidency.

The super delegate system is a slap in the face to every citizen who votes.
Jethro Bodine (Miami)
Wow. Keep moving those goalposts, NY Times.
Tavi - NYC (New York)
Bernie chirps out the issues we all know need to be addressed.
While Hillary clearly explains how she will (reali$tically) address them.
R.Wack (St. Louis)
Bernie enumerates the issues which MUST be addressed and clearly explains how he will very realistically address them: with the active participation of those who vote for him throughout his presidency. That is what he means when he talks about a political revolution. He has made very clear the fact that NO ONE, including him, can do it all by himself/herself. His campaign is about US, not him...and not you, quite apparently.

Hillary explains that SHE will change a few issues around the edges because that's all that can get done in the real world. In other words, her billionaire friends, her Wall Street bank BFFs, and her major corporate donors will have paid to crown her queen of America, and they need to be repaid.

It is true, however, that Hillary spent about 30 seconds of her pre-coronation speech after the Nevada caucus repeating almost word for word what Bernie has said about the Wall Street banks being too big to fail, so she is obviously attempting now to trick all of us into believing that she would do something about breaking up the bankster gang of six. What is also true is that no candidate who changes his/her policy positions in a political campaign will actually do so once elected. She simply has the luxury of calling up her best buddies on Wall Street to warn them ahead of time that she has to change her tune for awhile but that they shouldn't worry about it because they know her (and, of course, have had her on the payroll for 16 years now).
Jay (NY)
Amongst all the candidates I think Clinton is truly a national leader. People questioning about her honesty should look into the profiles of other candidates. I support her candidacy.
Ulko S (Cleveland)
we aren't talking about her vs. the GOP... We are talking her vs Bernie. She is so far behind Bernie in integrity it isn't even funny...
R.Wack (St. Louis)
What that a passive-aggressive backhanded slap of the sort Hillary prefers to deliver herself or the stab in the back that she prefers to have her hangers-on execute? Bernie Sanders has more integrity in one of the few remaining white hairs on his head than Hillary AND Bill together have in their combined bodies.
Bob Smith (NYC)
The reason she is so far behind Bernie is she is about to "lap" him!
Rob (Westchester, NY)
We'll see if Clinton continues to maintain her lead. Bernie may very well continue to cut into her support among all groups.
Bob Young (florida)
I tire of the media concocted horserace with all the pundits in bars and in front of the Las Vegas strip not reporting news, just their own opinions and personal preferences. Chris Matthews, who I used to like and thought was trying to get it right clearly was confused and a bit put off by Clinton getting this victory so quickly, you could tell he was relishing a long night. It didn't happen. The Mayor of Las Vegas told him to buy a house there if he liked it so much but he really was there hoping Bernie would drag the night out and win, leaving Clinton lost wandering in the sands. Alas, the entrance polling was wrong and the exit polling was wrong and they were left with their desk with nothing to say on the strip. When you gamble like that, Chris, bring your lucky charm. They all treat this as a game, and are political hacks now as Jon Stewart once said. They drown out the candidates with their biases and we can't hear them through this noise.
JoanneF (Cincinnati Ohio)
Actually I thought he was on the side of Clinton throughout.
Chuck (NY)
Sanders started out an unknown and came close to upending Clinton.
R.Wack (St. Louis)
Matthews has been cheerleading for Hillary for the last year. As far as the Nevada caucuses are concerned though, they're an irrelevant curiosity and always have been. First, ALL caucuses are anti-democratic (small 'd'), but caucuses in which only about 1.5% of the available party voters actually participate mean less than nothing in terms of who would actually win a real vote in a real election.
Rednosedmonkey (New York)
Hillary Clinton is the most qualified of all the candidates running today to be our next president. She doesn't have the charisma of her husband or of Obama. But she is brighter than them combined and has had the desire to serve since her college days. If only Americans will stop being sexist and vote for the best one already. The Sanders agenda, buoyed by the idealistic youth, is not realistic. If he wins the Democratic nomination we run the risk of voting for a Republican (Rubio, Kasich or Bush) as president, and that is a bad scenario.
Brian (New York, NY)
Because being sexist is the only reason not to vote for the woman collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from the very businesses that she would need to more tightly regulate as President.
Nora01 (New England)
I expect if this was 1775 you would be telling Adams and Jefferson that fighting the British is a waste of effort because they are unbeatable, so just drink your tea and toast good old King George.
Nora01 (New England)
Please quit with the sexist thing. Many of the people Hillary supporters accuse of sexism are women of her generation who have been feminists for as long as she has. It really is entirely possible to not support her and NOT be a sexist. Freedom from sexism means that you don't exchange a husband telling me how to vote for another woman telling me how to vote.
RamS (New York)
A while back, Nevada was supposed to be the Clinton firewall, but now it should've been favourable to Sanders? Huh?

Sanders has an uphill battle, and he hasn't made it yet, and whether he can or not is still open for question but changing the framing because Sanders caught up a fair amount is incorrect. Sanders still has to get out new voters to vote in numbers enough to overcome Clinton's. There are some positive signs for Sanders here: besides being at least even with hispanics, he also still retains the youth vote by a huge margin.

I think Clinton is likely to win the nomination. But the performance of Sanders points to trouble in the general unless the SCOTUS issue convinces the Sanders supporters to get behind Clinton. Right now, fear is winning over optimism.
Tyler (Nyc)
Not quite. Nevada looks a lot like the country as a whole in terms of demographics, but it holds a caucus. Caucuses have very low turnout, so it is very easy for a small number of Fanatics to turn the tide there. This is how Obama repeatedly won caucuses even in states where he was losing among registered voters. If Sanders was on track to win on the national level, he should be winning in places like Nevada. Not by much, maybe, but he should be winning there.
Now the situation starts to get tough. Sanders dramatically outspent (i.e. 2-1 and 3-1) Clinton in all three early states. He is going to get hammered in SC, and then on super tuesday. This will be a serious test of the morale of his supporters. Will they still be there in late March after he has a dizzying string of losses? Also, can he win in a state where spending is roughly equal? Sanders had three good states for him early on, and that was the chance to break Clinton's morale. It didn't work, now he has to face his own morale check, and we see if his forces get broken. If he survives, he can slog it out all the way to the convention, but he'll have to really start racking up major victories to make it.
Ruth Hesse (Bellingham, WA)
No one should be crowing too much, considering the abysmal voter turnout. You would think that if the state had prepared adequately assuming even a 30% voter turnout, we wouldn't be hearing about long waits and understaffed polling places. I hope other state caucuses learn from Iowa and Nevada.
Meadows (NYNY)
No, NYT- NOT a National advantage. A gap closed. Advancing. Sanders closed with a 4% margin with many plusses and minuses to consider. His Hispanic support bodes well for the West.: Let me cut and paste another commenter's words here:

Lloyd Guthrie Denver 3 minutes ago
RJS, Nevada is far from the end of The Bern. Simply stated, Hillary is not electable, despite having been granted every advantage by the DNC and Debbie Wassermann. There are millions of us who are conserving our very considerable energy and resources for Bernie's coming acceleration before Super Tuesday. Over the last month, Wassermann has started to move out of the way and the Republicans and T-rump are no longer capturing every minute of the media's attention. Over the past month, Bernie has closed every gap. Once many more Americans discover his courageous character and longstanding commitment to justice, the transformation will happen.
Bob Smith (NYC)
Wishful thinking at best.
Tom (Manhattan)
Why does the New York Times want to "accentuate the positive" to the point of overt opinionated falsehood? Most of us of all ages and genders do not want another Wall Street plutocrat puppet in the White House. Bernie has a very good chance of winning the popular vote across the country once all the caucuses and primaries are tallied. Accentuate how close the race is, instead. Don't forget Oh Mighty Times - the closer the race, the more newspapers you'll sell.
Bob Smith (NYC)
Bernie and Trump have one thing in common, they would both wreck the country. I mean total it!! It's Hillary's overcoming of an endless effort to annihilate her that tells the true story about her. We need that kind of staying power you see in the winner of a 15 round heavy weight championship boxing match.
Kelly (New York, NY)
If Bernie doesn't win the nomination, I'm not going to support Hilary.
R.Wack (St. Louis)
I thought I could support her if we didn't choose Bernie. I've changed my mind after the last 3 weeks of passive-aggressive smear she's produced. First it was the claim of an "artful smear" carried out by Bernie because he had run an ad in which he said the very same thing he has been saying about the banksters for 20 years...an ad which didn't even tangentially mention Hillary, nor was she reference in any way at all. Anyone with more than half a brain would have seen right through her faux outrage at the ad and wondered why she was tacitly agreeing that she's in the back pockets of all of the banksters on Wall St. Then there was the completely phony 'bernie bro' attack against Bernie's supporters. That's the one which pushed, actually shoved, me away from her since I've been assiduously reading nearly everything on the web regarding this election cycle and I hadn't seen even one sexist objection to Hillary...nor are sexist objections even slightly necessary because there is so much about her actions and policies - or lack thereof - which disqualify her as a candidate (certainly as an electable candidate).
RR (Wheaton, IL)
Boo. That kind of "Ralph Nader" effect is going to put Trump in the White House. Come back down to political reality, Bernie-ite!
Tyler (Nyc)
Fortunately, it's unlikely to matter. I'm guessing the Bernie supporters aren't reliable voters anyway, given the amount of "take my marbles and go home" I hear from them. I'm not expecting Trump vs. Clinton to be close enough that a handful of pouting Nader supporters can change the outcome. In other words, I don't think Hillary will be losing Vermont regardless of what these guys do, and I'm not expecting them to be a dominant force in the rust belt of Ohio.
ernieh1 (Queens, NY)
Listening to Hillary's victory speech one would never guess that a few months ago, she was polling 40 points above Bernie, and won today by a mere 4%.

Am I missing something here?
terri (USA)
Yeah, a few monthes ago bernie wasn't even in the race.
Diogenes (near Sinope)
I am shocked at how the press (both the NYT, CNN and even WSJ) using banner headlines to say "Hilary Won". If you don't think words matter just think how the following headlines would lead to a different interpretation: "Gains Steam with Win", "Regains Footing after tight Race", Holds off Sanders". When you could easily say "Sanders Keeps it Closer than Expected" "Sanders challenges Clinton Again", Sanders Overachieves while Falling Short." Or even my impression which is: "Clinton "wins" by barely 400 votes"...(I mean really my local town councilman won by more votes than that.)

They each convey a Clinton Victory but see how the connotation shifts. If you don't think there is bias in the press corps (the clintons clearly will "sell more papers") than how did not one major news outlet spin the story this way. Republicans and Independents may not love Bernie's policies, but they hate Clinton personally...that's going to be a problem. "I can change your mind easier than I can change who you are."
anne (il)
I'm a 59-year-old female Bernie supporter. Most Democrats I know are holding their noses and voting for Hillary out of fear. While they actually prefer Bernie, they tend to believe the mainstream media propaganda that Hillary is more electable. They are wrong—every national poll shows Hillary losing to Trump and the other Republicans, but Bernie wins in a 1-to-1 matchup.

To my Boomer friends: turn off the TV and get your news from a variety of sources. Your young adult children have it right. Hillary is not safer or more electable. If you vote for her, you will see a President Trump.
CitizenTM (NYC)
You are right...
bill (TN)
Preach, sister! I'm a boomer too, a lifelong Democrat, and 100% Bernie supporter. The young ones are already away, now we have to rouse our boomer friends and relatives, and have some serious talks with as many of our African-American friends as we can. We need to start racking up some Bernie wins, and I fully believe we can do it!
Nora01 (New England)
Lets see, she has experience being a first lady. So does Laura and Barbara Bush. Guess we should consider them. She was a senator for a few years, but no elected office before or after that. She was secretary of state for four years and is claiming credit for everything Kerry has accomplished, poor guy. She masterminded the destruction of Libyia and rattled her saber at Iran. She's really big on saber rattling. She also told Obama to kill bin Laden. I guess he couldn't have figured that out on his own.

Okay, got it! She hangs out with powerful men, including Kissinger who bombed Cambodia and lied to the American people about it.And she and then takes credit when they do it!
Gou (Jing)
I think it's about time Sanders has a reality check. You are not gonna just come in from nowhere and destroy Hillary Clinton who has been the most qualified and experienced candidate. Stop putting around the word 'establishment'. Why is it something to be proud of to be not part of the establishment? They are the ones with the influence making all the impact. It just shows how little influence the senator had in his years in Congress or how out of touch with real world politics. It's easy to be strongly opinionated when you have nothing to lose.
Brian (New York, NY)
If "real world" politics means lobbyists and bought off politicians, then yes, being against the establishment is a good thing.
Ulko S (Cleveland)
Hilary can't beat Trump. Bernie can!
Michelle Marshall (Los Angeles)
I'm not sure whether Bernie is proud to be not part of the establishment, but when you see the video of him giving speech to house of senate (a part of their work routine) on why he thought a war against Iraq was wrong, while there was only one senator in the audience and everybody else was not present and busy on their own business, you know being a part of that establishment is not something to be proud of.
Richard (Decorah,IA.)
I wonder if anyone has gone more in depth into the nature of Clinton's support? Before anyone heard about Bernie Sanders, did people respond to pollsters saying they supported her because her nomination was viewed as fait accompli? I suspect that her many remaining supporters are much more committed than they were a few months ago. The untold story of her drop in the polls is how many of those "supporters" were ripe for poaching by a more liberal candidate. If true, 52-53% could be a much more solid number that Sanders could have a much harder time eating into.
Memi (Canada)
I fail to see how a narrow victory by Hillary, when she had been polling ahead by double digits, portends anything but the fact that Bernie Sanders is much stronger than anyone in her camp ever thought he would be. That the establishment keeps moving the bar around to make it look like all is still well isn't fooling anyone but her supporters. Hillary doesn't look happy in this photo. She looks terrified.
Andrew (NYC)
"That the establishment keeps moving the bar around to make it look like all is still well isn't fooling anyone but her supporters."

The expectations game played by the mythical establishment has no effect come July. The voters get to decide, and they are coming out proudly for Hillary.
merc (east amherst, ny)
No, it's just that the millennials finally looked up from their hand held e-devices and decided they could sign on to supporting Bernie Sanders because it would be so cool, rebels who finally found a cause.
wakeford (France)
" The state is representative of the national electorate "
Yeah RIGHT !
In 2008 Hillary won the state, but Obama got elected president !
Morton (Jones)
Be yourself, Bernie! Just donated more $! Even if we don't accomplish more than Obama with you as POTUS I will still be proud to have you leading the country in our discourse politically and spiritually. Stephen Hawking says we Humans could potentially destroy ourselves in the next 100 years. We need strong progressive leaders and have no time to waste with Hillary.
CitizenTM (NYC)
This quote by Stephen Hawking is more than worrisome. And you are right.
Stunning (New York)
Rubbish! Given where Sanders started out (25 points behind just a scan 5 weeks ago) and given how late he was in finding the finds to organize his campaign in the state, it is an unambiguous victory for him that in just 5 weeks, he came close to taking the state. Clinton has been working the state and its officials for months now, and this is the best her "firewall" could provide? Pathetic.
Prescott (NYC)
Capitalism wins again. Thank goodness.
La Verdad (There)
The bubble has popped.
Bernie- one (NH) and done.
Andrew (NYC)
She is among the most qualified and knowledgeable candidates we have ever had for president—whip smart and unbowed by the nastiness hurled at her.

I look forward to seeing the momentum build across the country as we rise up and declare that yes, we are ready for our first female president.

I'm with her.
James J. Connolly (Waterford, Connecticut)
The fact that Hillary Clinton eked out a narrow victory in a state where her campaign announced last week it was ahead by 30 points is a measure of desperate she and the mainstream media are to get her coronation back on track.
Doctaylor (Florida)
Guess some people aren't feeling the Bern eh?
Doctaylor (Home)
Ain't it the truth..usually just a Bernie lovers spin..how refreshing..except for continual reminder in first paragraph that Hillary lost New Hampshire etc. Glad to see actual unbiased reporting
Nick (Wayne PA)
This: "... Where her campaign announced last week it was ahead by 30 points ..." Never happened.
JP (Westchester County, NY)
And a question.....African Americans made up 13% of the voting populace in 2012 with Barak Obama as a candidate. Its a small number! Why does the press continue to bang on Clinton's current popularity with 13% of the voters as the reason she can weather any storm? Not being a wise guy. Don't get it.

Upshot editor: Your number (13) is correct, but blacks make up around 20 percent of the Democratic primary electorate. In a lot of states, especially in the South, the numbers are huge (like 55 percent in South Carolina). She can win a lot of delegates just by winning those Southern states.
Samantha (Los Angeles)
What? The comments on the NY Times site turn out *not*to be representative of the strength of support for Bernie S.? Shocking.
socanne (Tucson)
Clinton was expected to win heavily in Nevada, and didn't. Only the NYT could frame this as her having a national advantage. Jeez! Give it a rest already! -A 64-year-old woman, who has the same birthday as Hillary Clinton, and won't vote for her because she is dishonest.
Andrew (NYC)
You say you "won't vote for her because she is dishonest," but few of the right-wing attacks on Hillary have amounted to anything. They turn out to be innuendos or outright falsehoods rooted largely in misogyny.

The most destructive thing liberals can do is slander their most qualified and effective leader.
Nora01 (New England)
When this all began, I would have voted for Hillary, but now that I have seen her in action, I am having very serious second thoughts. I find her to be quite "fluid" in her ever changing positions, which seem to follow the prevailing wind. She is now using the very same terminology that Sanders does as well. Then there are the backhanded things she has done, like playing victim over the mildest of ads that didn't even use her name, and making sure the press learned that the DNC's server malfunctioned. Then there is the collusion with Debbie Wasserman Schulz over the number and timing of the debates to her advantage. Also there is the company she keeps, Kissinger whose attention she found flattering and Brock, a Republican hit man. Really? These are your friends?

I have gone from being neutral to strongly feeling that she is not to be trusted. I used to write that off as a GOP smear, but now I see it, too. If Sanders does not win the nomination, for the first time in my life I may sit it out. Or vote for Trump. He may be a buffoon, but he says what he thinks. That's more than I can say for her. Like the blacks say, better the bigot who says it out loud than the false friend who stabs you in the back.
Austin Kerr (Port Ludlow WA)
I really appreciate your analysis. You are at the top of the field. And there is still no sign of a "political revolution" as much as I might hope for one.
bkay (USA)
Rather than feel the Bern; I personally feel at least a little relief. For various reasons I'm convinced that If Bernie (bless his heart, his passions, and his contributions) were to become our nominee, that would most likely mean that our next president will come from the other side. That mustn't happen.
Regan (<br/>)
Despite every. single. poll. that says otherwise.
Ryan (Texas)
That's what people like you were saying in 2008 when Barack Obama dethroned Hillary. Passion brings people to the polls.
John (Oregon)
Thank you for your clairvoyance, but it would be nice to have another president with some of their own direction and goals. It seems if Hillary wins the primary with her weak personal ideals, any republican candidate with their passionate, though misguided, appeals will seem more of an attraction to voters. The idea is "excite the base" and it seems that may be the reason Bernie has had a chance against the "establishment" Hillary since she is less than exciting. Say what you want about the republicans, but the excitement is there.
HLC (Brooklyn, NY)
So, Mrs. Clinton was successful in painting Sanders as a some kind of racist that was "late" to black issues. That is not much of a victory, nor should be celebrated, as it is actually sad and scary. Winning this way is shameful and all who celebrate her success in diminishing Sanders participation during the civil rights movement should be held accountable.
Sean (NYC)
Oh my gosh. She in no way tried to paint Sanders as a racist. Just not true.
SJ (London)
This sort of attitude does Bernie no favors, nor does it help his mission, his passion or his life-long work.
Scott Fortune (Atlantic Beach)
I agree.
MA (NYC)
The media have misunderstood to a great extent the supporters of Hillary Clinton. Because they were largely polite, quiet, did not did not express acrimony by using foul language towards Bernie Sanders supports, it has been interpreted they lacked enthusiasm. Her supporters were quite aware of the bias expressed mutually by the right and left whose agenda was to stop her candidacy. The right perceived her as the strongest Democratic candidate, and the left wanted an ultra left candidate even if it meant destroying the Democratic Party in the process. At this point, there is no need to provide examples for they are known by all.

One of the most powerful rights we have in America is the power of the vote. In these primaries, rather than engage in theatrics for different purposes, Hillary Clinton's supporters have chosen to exercise that right as the best way to reject the noise emanating from both sides.
Ryan (Texas)
"The right perceived her as the strongest Democratic candidate, and the left wanted an ultra left candidate even if it meant destroying the Democratic Party in the process."

No...the left wants a candidate who's left-of-center, no matter what direction the wind is blowing that particular day.
Danny archer (Olympia, wa)
Relax. She only won by 500 votes. Nothing is decided yet.
Janice Badger Nelson (Park City, Utah, from Boston)
Oh good grief, you act as though she has won already. She squeezed out a 4% win. Hardly impressive considering you had her up by 25% like a week ago. Shows you that the people like Bernie Sanders. Let's see what happens in South Carolina first before you start crowning Hillary.
Morton (Jones)
Be yourself, Bernie! I just donated $35 and I believe in you. Even if you get little more done than Obama I want YOU to be driving the public discourse and moral/spiritual direction of the USA. Stephen Hawking says humans may destroy themselves in the next 100 years. I have no time to waste on Hillary.
Nick (Wayne PA)
Yes, if by 4 you mean 5.5. And Sanders will get crushed by 20+ in SC. He's all but officially done by midnight March 15. That will disappoint his supporters and the GOP equally.
JC (Beaverton, Oregon)
The new America won! Indeed, we are not an one issue nation. Giving away other people's money does have its appeal but it can only go this far! Free education and single payer health care won't happen because the systems are broken. Before spending hard working people's money, please cut wastes first. BTW, free education cannot be the real solution because the job market is changing. Even when every young person can get into a college, they will still face stiff global competitions after graduations. To me, the simplistic view really reaches to the level of intellectual dishonesty. Finally, Hillary won! No matter how they spin the outcome, we won together!
JenD (NJ)
Your chortling is a bit premature.
swm (providence)
Sanders may just be the best thing for the Clinton campaign. He forces her to listen beyond her traditional advisers. Their experience and integrity are a great combination.
lje (california)
Just as she became a better candidate in 2008. May the Force be with Hill!
Jim (Colorado)
If she could only become a better person, rather than just a better candidate!
Ben Alcala (San Antonio TX)
"integrity"

[Citation needed]
MAL (Tucson, AZ)
Out of less than 10,000 votes cast in Nevada, Hillary beat Bernie by about 500. Nevada is an outlier state for a number of reasons, not the least of which is that it is the only state whose major industry is legalized gambling. Its demographics differ from all other states. It is full of military installations and transients ... not to mention "Hookers for Hillary". Although Hillary will probably ultimately win the nomination, it is far from over in the Democratic party.
Andrew (NYC)
"Out of less than 10,000 votes cast in Nevada, Hillary beat Bernie by about 500."

Those are delegate equivalents, not raw votes.
Richard (Decorah,IA.)
The vote count you are referring to is delegates assigned to the state convention proportionally to votes cast in caucus. There were many more votes cast than 10,000.
Elizabeth (Florida)
Hookers are people too and they spend money like you and I. "I'm every Woman" as the song goes.

Go Hillary!!!
Christine McMorrow (Waltham, MA)
Finally! I couldn't be more pleased, even if I'm in the minority here. Both candidates worked hard, but Hillary especially.

Unlike the GOP, both Democratic candidates are showing themselves to be gracious in victory and defeat. I hope that carries over onto their next debate stage.

The GOP could learn a lot from their Democratic counterparts.
Mary Ann Donahue (NYS)
To paraphrase a sentence from another NYT article today:“We want a woman,” the conclusion seemed to be, “just not this woman.”
I want a woman, and I do want Hillary!!
Smarmor (Chicago)
I'm with you, sister!
Ryan (Texas)
You want a woman, whether she's a Democrat or not...that's just great.
RJS (Phoenix, AZ)
Nevada is the beginning of the end for Sander's quest for the democratic nomination. However, this is not the end for Bernie's voice to be heard. I hope he and his supporters join the Clinton coalition in November to beat the Republicans and continue to make progressive change.
Lloyd Guthrie (Denver)
RJS, Nevada is far from the end of The Bern. Simply stated, Hillary is not electable, despite having been granted every advantage by the DNC and Debbie Wassermann. There are millions of us who are conserving our very considerable energy and resources for Bernie's coming acceleration before Super Tuesday. Over the last month, Wassermann has started to move out of the way and the Republicans and T-rump are no longer capturing every minute of the media's attention. Over the past month, Bernie has closed every gap. Once many more Americans discover his courageous character and longstanding commitment to justice, the transformation will happen.
John Blesso (Beacon, NY)
Is someone in a rush to wrap this thing up?

Bernie has been written off throughout his entire political life, going all the way back to when people said that Burlington, VT would never elect a Jewish guy from Brooklyn as their mayor... And he (and the millions of us behind him) is just getting started and in fact we truly hope to have Hillary's supporters backing real progressive transformation of our country come November.
James J. Connolly (Waterford, Connecticut)
There will be no progressive change with Hillary Clinton and surprisingly few Sanders supporters will join her campaign. Many will support third party candidates. Hillary is the voice of an aged and irrelevant Democratic Party Establishment which will go down in flames in November 2016.