Do you realize that Hillary Clinton has been the subject of investigations by the GOP since Nov. 12, 2012 -- over three years. First, the endless Benghazi hearings which lead to the inquiries about her emails. Now, the press and Bernie's supporters are asking to see the transcripts of her speeches to bankers and other groups. She is blamed for what her supporters say but Bernie is not blamed for what his Bernie Bros are saying.
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Isn't it time to stop the inquisiition of this woman? Has anyone else in government been scrutinized this much over such an incident? If Hillary is responsible for deaths under her watch, then all military leaders are responsible, as well as the CIC. There is such a double standard to the way this women has been treated and the GOP keep getting away with it. Now, we have the Sanders supporters piling on. Enough is enough.
Hillary is one tough, smart woman to have had that much incoming sent at her for years and still survived to conquer new horizons. May she be the next leader of the U.S.A.
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Isn't it time to stop the inquisiition of this woman? Has anyone else in government been scrutinized this much over such an incident? If Hillary is responsible for deaths under her watch, then all military leaders are responsible, as well as the CIC. There is such a double standard to the way this women has been treated and the GOP keep getting away with it. Now, we have the Sanders supporters piling on. Enough is enough.
Hillary is one tough, smart woman to have had that much incoming sent at her for years and still survived to conquer new horizons. May she be the next leader of the U.S.A.
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Hillary is deaf to what people are truly feeling. Moreover, Hillary does not seem to understand attacking Sanders and his supporters is a losing proposition. If she wins the primaries, his supporters will not come out to vote for her (or anyone else) - leaving her very vulnerable to losing the Presidency race.
When Obama first ran in the primaries and for the Presidency, I always believed it was really a referendum on how sane Americans were. Given the yahoo media, who amuse themselves to death, (Neil Postman's thesis) one rarely gets a chance to hear or know about the underlying sanity that exists in America. I hope it is still there.
When Obama first ran in the primaries and for the Presidency, I always believed it was really a referendum on how sane Americans were. Given the yahoo media, who amuse themselves to death, (Neil Postman's thesis) one rarely gets a chance to hear or know about the underlying sanity that exists in America. I hope it is still there.
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>>For the candidates who go on, the trick is not letting these results go to their heads, or get under their skins.>>
The media plays this up like the Super Bowl, then discounts it as a drop in the delegate bucket afterwards. Would you like to have an election decided only by those with Press passes, or are you going to, at some point, acknowledge that something just happened here?
The media plays this up like the Super Bowl, then discounts it as a drop in the delegate bucket afterwards. Would you like to have an election decided only by those with Press passes, or are you going to, at some point, acknowledge that something just happened here?
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I had briefly considered voting for Bernie Sanders in the upcoming Georgia primary. After all, I believe in and support some of what he espouses. If nothing else, I thought a vote for Bernie Sanders would send a message to the Democratic Party.
Then I got practical and pragmatic and came to my senses.
Hillary Clinton is the ONLY candidate for President who has the necessary national and international experience to lead our country through perilous international issues and, yes, to build on President Obama's legacy of health and prosperity for all Americans -- especially middle class Americans -- while enabling others of all races and religions to move into the middle class.
I will be voting for Hillary Clinton in the primary AND in the national election.
Then I got practical and pragmatic and came to my senses.
Hillary Clinton is the ONLY candidate for President who has the necessary national and international experience to lead our country through perilous international issues and, yes, to build on President Obama's legacy of health and prosperity for all Americans -- especially middle class Americans -- while enabling others of all races and religions to move into the middle class.
I will be voting for Hillary Clinton in the primary AND in the national election.
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So, are we happy that Bernie won NH? Not so fast. Check the delegate count. Mz Clinton picked up the so-called Super delegates, and, last I looked took more delegates out of NH than Bernie.
The economy is not the only thing that is rigged.
The economy is not the only thing that is rigged.
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People are waking up to Hillary's character or the lack of it. Thank you, democrats.
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Saying "May the force be with you" is what the good guys say. For the Times to call that "flirting with the dark side" is at best nonsensical and at worst a shabby attempt to put a negative gloss on every single thing Hillary Clinton says.
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My, how times have changed. When Clinton ran in the 2008 primaries I voted for her against Obama. Now I support Sanders against Clinton. What changed? Just a feeling that Clinton is a "blast from the past" and that if a Democrat is elected president, his or her policy initiatives will be stymied just like Obama's presidency has been stymied. Republican obstructionism will continue into the future with either Clinton or Sanders as president. The difference between the two is that Sanders will stand up and fight from the get go and not try to pretend, like Clinton would, that the Republicans can be reasoned with. In the end it won't matter, but I'd rather have someone in the White House that has my back and will fight for me than someone who will make nice with the Republicans just so she can get re-elected in four years.
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Hillary is ......out of date....passe.....and ....got a lot of Gordian Knots in
her political baggage...and I do not think the Clintons will be willing to untie
these revealing "knots"....so...Hillary should ...go and bake cookies for her
grandchild...Time to be a mother../grandmother...and there is everything
admirable in this at Hillary's age...to join the "Silver Circle" and write her
memoirs...visit the nursery schools....be a MOM...like a lot of women...maybe
get to like this Mom role.
her political baggage...and I do not think the Clintons will be willing to untie
these revealing "knots"....so...Hillary should ...go and bake cookies for her
grandchild...Time to be a mother../grandmother...and there is everything
admirable in this at Hillary's age...to join the "Silver Circle" and write her
memoirs...visit the nursery schools....be a MOM...like a lot of women...maybe
get to like this Mom role.
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The Clinton Campaign just failed its pressure test.
That sound you heard coming from New Hampshire over the last few days was from pressure frames named Bill, Gloria and Madeline failing and the big noise last night culminating in Hilary's non-consession speech was the shriek of pressure hull of USS Hilary Clinton Campaign failing and collapsing.
That sound you heard coming from New Hampshire over the last few days was from pressure frames named Bill, Gloria and Madeline failing and the big noise last night culminating in Hilary's non-consession speech was the shriek of pressure hull of USS Hilary Clinton Campaign failing and collapsing.
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I hope the Clinton campaign will read this editorial , it is true that hey need to sharpen their message, but engaging in a negative campaign at this stage of the game is meaningless especially for a candidate like her that the media scrutinize every word and comment that comes out of her mouth. She should save that to the republicans eventually. Like the times editorial said, this only the beginning of the primary season. She should sharpen her message like she did yesterday when she was addressing her supporters in Newhymshire, she will eventually be the nominee, but panicking at this stage can take her off message . Politics is both physiological as it physical, she is not making a lot of mistakes at this time. As she rightly said, the media should treat all the candidates with the same standard. Like my principal used to tell us at school "Go there, do your best and let the better side win
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you put your finger on it: "tone deaf". hillary's campaign in 2008 lost my vote because her "spokespersons", including bill, and advertising, were tone deaf--complaining, misleading, unlikeable. hillary, herself, when in "smaller" settings, does well.
the answer: get rid of her campaign apparatus which is set up to be overly combative--to the point of turning off her audience. to put a point on it, her supporters/spokespersons sound "republican". she needs to be out there on her own.
the answer: get rid of her campaign apparatus which is set up to be overly combative--to the point of turning off her audience. to put a point on it, her supporters/spokespersons sound "republican". she needs to be out there on her own.
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Perhaps now we will see some actual scrutiny of Bernie Sanders' policies including the economics of his proposals, foreign policy implications and use of the military, the Middle East quagmire, the threats to Europe from Russia -- I could go on. Bernie has been getting pretty soft treatment from the media lately. I really like Bernie, my heart kvells at his being the first Jew to win a Presidential primary. If he is the candidate, I will vote for him because the one thing I firmly believe he is right on target about is that electing any of the Republicans would be ruinous for our country.
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I am waiting for your next editorial: "The Sanders Team's New Hampshire Pressure Test"
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I realize that the media has been overrun with giant global corporations whose principle interest is in the share price and ever larger mergers.
but let's have some semblance of reality with regard to this election. Mrs. Clinton ended up with more delegates. She has the backing of super-delegates precisely for the same reason the nation has electors.
I supported a lot of idealistic leftists in my time... and we got Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush & Bush. Far better to bring your ideals to a sympathetic elected leader than to dig in your heels and lose the election.
but let's have some semblance of reality with regard to this election. Mrs. Clinton ended up with more delegates. She has the backing of super-delegates precisely for the same reason the nation has electors.
I supported a lot of idealistic leftists in my time... and we got Nixon, Reagan, Bush, Bush & Bush. Far better to bring your ideals to a sympathetic elected leader than to dig in your heels and lose the election.
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As I recall she was once ahead in NH and expected to win. Perhaps the Editorial Board should revisit her as a candidate; she was crowned by the DNC chairman and everything has been done to make sure no one challenged her. Yet the polling in NH indicates that she may not be the best person; the electorate may just be tired of her and her family and of the all the excess baggage that she brings-- and much cannot just be shrugged off or blamed on others... no one forced her to have a private email server or to negotiate fantastic fees for speeches (fees paid in the expectation that she would run for the presidency and could win... otherwise what is the standard fee for a formed SOS or Senator???). What is indicated, even if she is nominated, and that looks very likely whatever happens in the next few primaries.... is that she has feet of clay, she is vulnerable and may be not be the best candidate for the democrats.... do the democrats have anyone capable of mounting a campaign and winning? The party has sought to discourage any challengers...
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People don't support Bernie because of his political stances. People support Bernie because they hear "Free money! Free college! Free healthcare! Free everything!"
My friends that are Bernie supporters summarize his coalition perfectly: "The best time of our lives was when we were both getting unemployment."
My friends that are Bernie supporters summarize his coalition perfectly: "The best time of our lives was when we were both getting unemployment."
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Clinton is still almost sure to get the nomination but you won't see people come out in droves for her like they did for Obama. If the republicans are smart, which they're not of course, Kasich would be their nominee, guaranteeing the lowest turnout for President in history. People are sick of it all, the lies, attacks, vitriol and bad feelings. I wonder what's going to happen to our country. I bet I'm not alone.
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Hillary is doing just fine. Interesting, isn't it, how she's being required to meet a standard Bernie could only dream of?
By mid-March, we'll all be looking at Bernie in the rear view mirror, because regardless of the sentiments in the "demographically representative states" Iowa and New Hampshire, the reality is, drawing on the Bill Murray campfire pep talk in Meatballs, "It just doesn't matter!"
By mid-March, we'll all be looking at Bernie in the rear view mirror, because regardless of the sentiments in the "demographically representative states" Iowa and New Hampshire, the reality is, drawing on the Bill Murray campfire pep talk in Meatballs, "It just doesn't matter!"
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Clinton is having difficulties because she is a woman. The standards and expectations are much higher for her--future generations will see this. Her "flaws" would be acceptable if she were a man; look at all the flawed men in this campaign! It is laughably obvious that she is the best for the job. Vote for Sanders and we will all get a Trump or a Cruz, and another disastrous Republican Presidency and horrific Supreme Court.
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I do love a good fight, and my guy is going to get pretty battered and bruised. Good. I hope it kicks him in butt. This isn't the JV anymore. He has plenty of money now, and plenty on tap when he wants it. So maybe it's time to shell out for a few economists and foreign policy advisors, come up with some workable platforms he can sell to the public, and head off and criticism on that front. Because really, it's all they have on him.
Otoh, let Clinton dig her own grave.
Otoh, let Clinton dig her own grave.
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But wait, Times readers! I bring good news.
Twitter helped me gauge who all was going to win in EVERY area, by 0900 the day of polling. You can figure it out, too. (See below.)
https://bonnierussell.wordpress.com/2016/02/09/new-hampshire-results-twi...
So, it was a blessing not to have to read or hear pundits and reporters talk to each other all day. And who knows, maybe Twitter's stock will go up. : )
Twitter helped me gauge who all was going to win in EVERY area, by 0900 the day of polling. You can figure it out, too. (See below.)
https://bonnierussell.wordpress.com/2016/02/09/new-hampshire-results-twi...
So, it was a blessing not to have to read or hear pundits and reporters talk to each other all day. And who knows, maybe Twitter's stock will go up. : )
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"On Tuesday, Mrs. Clinton sent an email to her backers, thanking them, asking them for $1 and complaining that Mr. Sanders 'went to the extraordinary measure of outspending us on the airwaves three to one here in New Hampshire.'"
Here is the root of Mrs. Clinton's failure in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and also yesterday, today and tomorrow. It is her inability to admit she has failed, or done something wrong, or even stupid. She always has an excuse. There is always something, and especially someone, to blame.
Her loss she attributes not to some mistake she made or some personal failing, but to being outspent. Outspent? With millions in free media given by the New York Times and other mainstream news outlets.
Who, in heavens name, wants a Blamer for President?
Here is the root of Mrs. Clinton's failure in both Iowa and New Hampshire, and also yesterday, today and tomorrow. It is her inability to admit she has failed, or done something wrong, or even stupid. She always has an excuse. There is always something, and especially someone, to blame.
Her loss she attributes not to some mistake she made or some personal failing, but to being outspent. Outspent? With millions in free media given by the New York Times and other mainstream news outlets.
Who, in heavens name, wants a Blamer for President?
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Pretty simple. The voters are wary of people who seem bought by interest groups, bought by individuals like the Koches, Adelson and the like.
Citizens United was perceived as a way to bypass the voters interests and allow somehow cash from the rich to manipulate the elections. No matter what I think of the winners, and I have some concerns ( who cares, huh?) this is a healthy development. Politicians take note.
Citizens United was perceived as a way to bypass the voters interests and allow somehow cash from the rich to manipulate the elections. No matter what I think of the winners, and I have some concerns ( who cares, huh?) this is a healthy development. Politicians take note.
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I hate to break it to NY Times readers, but the Democrat party allocates superdelegates based on the preferences of Democrat party officials. Hillary Clinton has a commanding lead over Sanders and will win the nomination regardless of how the popular vote comes out.
In the overall delegate count, Clinton holds a commanding lead after a razor-thin victory in Iowa and a shellacking in New Hampshire. Clinton has 394 delegates, both super and electorally assigned, to only 42 for Sanders.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/10/hillary-earns-more-new-hampshire-deleg...
In the overall delegate count, Clinton holds a commanding lead after a razor-thin victory in Iowa and a shellacking in New Hampshire. Clinton has 394 delegates, both super and electorally assigned, to only 42 for Sanders.
Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2016/02/10/hillary-earns-more-new-hampshire-deleg...
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This obscene and utterly undemocratic rigging should have been the focus of the editorial.
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HC would do better to focus on Bernie's second-tier plans: how will he get single-payer health care passed, how exactly will he rebuild the infrastructure, how much of a tax increase can the middle class expect? These are the questions we would like answers to. We don't care who he was talking to in a hot tub!
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Hillary needs to listen to the voters in both Iowa and NH. Her message isn't working and her campaign is working hard enough. Her message needs to be authentic, from her, about her and by her. It needs to come from her heart and not the polls. Equality, equality, equality. It can't be said enough. Women have got to finish the job they started over a century ago. Equal pay now! Family friendly laws now! Don't stop until we have a women's face on Mt. Rushmore!
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The Reader's Picks are much, much better than the original article.
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The problem with Hillary Clinton is that she has taken both sides on so many issues, she may not even know what she really stands for anymore. That is why people do not like her, along with her going from "dead broke" to over $100 million in six years.
If you don't like Bernie Sanders, instead of encouraging Hillary to keep her head up, perhaps you should be encouraging others to run.
If you don't like Bernie Sanders, instead of encouraging Hillary to keep her head up, perhaps you should be encouraging others to run.
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I respect and admire Bernie Sanders, evidently along with many many people who have listened to him. Now, Hillary Clinton has to learn why we find Sanders so attractive.
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Mr. Clinton's remark that he wished he was not married to Hillary was not as bizarre as you say. It doesn't help Ms. Clinton that she has failed to address the elephant in the room since she first ran for president--the huge liability of her husband's personal behavior during his presidency. To send him out to do her dirty work now--initiating, then casting, scurrilous aspersions on opponents' character--is just one more nail in her flagging aspirations. I said it back in 2008--someone should send Bill on a long vacation, or at least muzzle him. He is not doing her any favors, and yes, Bill, you should set her free, for her and the country's sakes.
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As the symbolic "leader" of the establishment media, your candidate lost, New York Times. But you obviously will be pulling out all stops to prop up your Hillary and her Wall Street/too-big-to-jail bankster cabal, the "establishment" that is determined to maintain status quo whatever the cost, in human suffering and money! No surprise that you are the establishment media leader. May God help us all!
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If Elizabeth Warren comes out for Bernie, Hillary could well be toast.
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A few things;
We really don't need to hear Bill Clinton being angry- keep mouth closed.
Marco's programming glitch instructive- take a drink of water.
Christie has served his purpose- needs to take the bridge to NJ.
Kasich has his 15 minutes, won't survive in South.
Trump- is there any real danger of electing this embarrassment?
Bernie- will the country really elect a 74 y.o. socialist?
That leaves Hillary. This election is really about the Supreme Court for the next 30 years. I trust that she'll appoint reasonable humans. If the GOP wins and appoints 3 more Scalias, I don't see much hope.
We really don't need to hear Bill Clinton being angry- keep mouth closed.
Marco's programming glitch instructive- take a drink of water.
Christie has served his purpose- needs to take the bridge to NJ.
Kasich has his 15 minutes, won't survive in South.
Trump- is there any real danger of electing this embarrassment?
Bernie- will the country really elect a 74 y.o. socialist?
That leaves Hillary. This election is really about the Supreme Court for the next 30 years. I trust that she'll appoint reasonable humans. If the GOP wins and appoints 3 more Scalias, I don't see much hope.
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I gather there is a "Bliss"ful lack of awareness, certainly in your part of Albuquerque, New Mexico.
Regardless, Bernie will disabuse you by March, as to why his call for an end to the status quo is working.
After so many years of listening to the shills and charlatans for the power elites, I guess it's difficult for some to believe the people are finally speaking, with one voice, and their voice is Mr. Bernie Sanders, the exemplary gentleman from Vermont.
Regardless, Bernie will disabuse you by March, as to why his call for an end to the status quo is working.
After so many years of listening to the shills and charlatans for the power elites, I guess it's difficult for some to believe the people are finally speaking, with one voice, and their voice is Mr. Bernie Sanders, the exemplary gentleman from Vermont.
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Cute, but look at the betting odds. That tells you the likely favorite. I know that since you think you live in the center of the universe, you can't perceive any bubble surrounding you.
You do know that television signals do get all the way to NM?
You do know that television signals do get all the way to NM?
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It appears to me that Senator Sanders and Donald Trump are pulling from the same subset of voters from each party: non-college educated, low-income whites. Instead of venting their anger at presidential contenders they need to focus more on who represents them in Congress. That's where the rubber meets the road when it comes to the issues that these people are angry about.
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Actually Sanders bested Clinton in every demographic but people over 65. There is no comparison to Trump supporters.
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Clinton's team would do better by articulating what Hillary had done and the potential of what she will be doing if elected, rather than trying to show the differences between her and anyone else. American culture is male oriented and put a lot of economic gender tax on women. Hillary is talented, works hard to get where she is, and has many sacrifices along the way just to be able to stay in the game and get to where she is right now. Hillary and Chelsea both have difficulty in understand the challenges and the pulses of the younger generations whom some were born under tough economic conditions and some born in the better households with middle class parents and grandparents; I mean those who feels their lives are on downward spirals and those on stagnated paths. However, the Benghazi hearings show me that Hillary is a tough person who has always manage and utilize the available resources to come out of hard situation a better civil servant. In short, the more friendly and unfriendly fires she survives, the more empathy and understanding she gains, and the better the leader she will be. Presidential candidates can act tough and be like a tiger when they are in friendly environment. Drop them down in a nasty, unfriendly place, behind enemy lines, very few can come back with dignity, pride, and passions in tact. I am for Hillary because as a woman in politics for years, I know she has been tested, more than any man has to go through, and got things done.
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The Democrats' 'super delegates' negate DEMOCRACY.
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For the Democrats this should all be wrapped up by Super Tuesday March 1st
Bernie with his HUGE momentum from a small homogeneous State like NH now has to secure the Democratic nomination quickly!
His legions of supporters need to descend quickly on South Carolina and start working with the minority communities down there to build a Bernie Juggernaut!
Of course very few of Bernie's supporters have ever been to a minority community but many of them have publicly stated that they have "minority friends" so it should be an easy job for them.
They need to send a whole bunch of folks over to Nevada and get in contact with the Hispanic community because he will need every vote from them he can get. Undoubtedly none of the Bernite's have ever really talked to those folks so its unlikely they have any phone numbers of anyone in the Hispanic Community but "hey" that's why they have the "white pages phone book"
So Bernie should be able to draw at least 60% of the African American vote in SC and Hopefully he can get 50-55% of the Hispanic vote in the Nevada Caucus
Bernie with his HUGE momentum from a small homogeneous State like NH now has to secure the Democratic nomination quickly!
His legions of supporters need to descend quickly on South Carolina and start working with the minority communities down there to build a Bernie Juggernaut!
Of course very few of Bernie's supporters have ever been to a minority community but many of them have publicly stated that they have "minority friends" so it should be an easy job for them.
They need to send a whole bunch of folks over to Nevada and get in contact with the Hispanic community because he will need every vote from them he can get. Undoubtedly none of the Bernite's have ever really talked to those folks so its unlikely they have any phone numbers of anyone in the Hispanic Community but "hey" that's why they have the "white pages phone book"
So Bernie should be able to draw at least 60% of the African American vote in SC and Hopefully he can get 50-55% of the Hispanic vote in the Nevada Caucus
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By all means, please continue to imply Sanders supporters are all racists and misogynists. Because Clinton won't need them in the general anyway, right?
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Another article in today’s NYTimes, “Donald Trump and Bernie Sanders Win in New Hampshire Primary” portentously reads: "One troubling sign: Mr. Sanders was the choice, nearly unanimously, among voters who said it was most important to have a candidate who is “honest and trustworthy."
Hillary said in the last debate that she was going to look into the possibility of releasing the transcripts of the speeches she made to the Wall Street fat cats in exchange for $2.3 million in speaking fees in 2013.
Maybe the supposedly “honest and trustworthy" Hillary Clinton should look a little harder into doing so before the next primary. What has she said to them that she is not willing to tell We the People?
And, perhaps, the New York Times Editorial Board should also call for Hillary Clinton to release those transcripts. If not, why not?
Hillary said in the last debate that she was going to look into the possibility of releasing the transcripts of the speeches she made to the Wall Street fat cats in exchange for $2.3 million in speaking fees in 2013.
Maybe the supposedly “honest and trustworthy" Hillary Clinton should look a little harder into doing so before the next primary. What has she said to them that she is not willing to tell We the People?
And, perhaps, the New York Times Editorial Board should also call for Hillary Clinton to release those transcripts. If not, why not?
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There are some tweets that are going around in Sanderistan. Here is a cleaned up and more integrated version.
- Clinton supported the Iraq War
- Iraq war is costing 3 trillion including VA
- $3T == 300 million tuition-years (average in-state tuition == 10K)
- over 15years of Iraq war = 20 million students for 15 years
- total undergrad enrollment today about 18million.
The numbers are pretty matching and scary.
The Clinton admin is yet to come up with a response why being a global policeman is a better use of our tax money than providing undergrad education?
- Clinton supported the Iraq War
- Iraq war is costing 3 trillion including VA
- $3T == 300 million tuition-years (average in-state tuition == 10K)
- over 15years of Iraq war = 20 million students for 15 years
- total undergrad enrollment today about 18million.
The numbers are pretty matching and scary.
The Clinton admin is yet to come up with a response why being a global policeman is a better use of our tax money than providing undergrad education?
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What sort of political party awards Hillary more New Hampshire delegates to the Democratic Party convention than Sanders...after Bernie thumps Madame ex-Secretary by more than 20 pts, for heavenssake?
What's wrong with that picture?
What's wrong with that picture?
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The NYTimes is the neocon mouthpiece of America. Maybe they're hoping for another war in Iraq with Hillary cheering the way.
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HRC can't offer a compelling answer as to "why" she wants to become President. She often stumbles when asked. This is the Elaine from Seinfeld episode where she was determined to get the last punch on her sub-card to get the free sandwich. That's what all this is about. It's the final punch on her political ticket. I think that is a very selfish reason to seek the Presidency coupled with her disdain for campaigning which is easily recognized by voters. Hillary has $100 million in the bank, another grandchild on the way- Time to divorce Bill, meet a nice, retired cardiologist gentleman somewhere in Connecticut to live out her happy years.
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The sexism in some of these anti-Hillary posts is disgusting.
Hillary Clinton's personal life is her business, and her business alone. I doubt very much that she is interested in your opinion, or anyone else's, on such matters.
Hillary Clinton's personal life is her business, and her business alone. I doubt very much that she is interested in your opinion, or anyone else's, on such matters.
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Do Bernie supporters think that if he wins the nomination enough voters are going to suddeny be unbrainwashed and go vote for him? Folks, after 35 years of right wing ascendancy and 8 years of right wing extremism you aren't going to be able to put a "Communist" in the White House. Those of us with a bit of sanity left know that he is not a communist. That won't matter. As Paul Krugman pointed out the Republicans have concentrated their attacks on Clinton. The effects of those attacks are already baked into her polling numbers. They haven't begun to attack Sanders. It will be a blood bath. Not because they are right but because, as we have seen, people are not particularly smart. I would love to see Sanders win. I think it is a crime that we have no political party that represents liberals. You can't force this. The backlash will be more than we can handle.
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Eight years ago Bill Clinton told the truth about Barack Obama but the Left does not allow criticism of members of certain groups, especially but not exclusively Blacks. The result was the Media, and Black leaders when over the line in suggesting Bill Clinton's "its a fantasy" and Jessie Jackson winning South Carolina were racist. When it comes to the Clintons no level of attack no matter how fictional seems to be out of bounds.
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Is the Times EVER going to give some small amount of credit to Bernie Sanders? He wins a major primary without compromising his integrity, and all I'm hearing about is how Hillary lost.
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It was hilarious last night to see Hillary come out, act like she won, and then tell everyone she is the one who will go after Wall Street, work on inequality, improve universal health care, and support the rights of women and minorities. Suddenly she went from liberal to progressive. Her handlers, clearly running scared now that they have seen the winds shift, told her to go out and embrace every one of Sanders platforms as if they have been hers since all along; to embrace Obama to garner the black vote; and to imply she is fighting for all of us, instead of her own corrupt "1%" family. The Clinton campaign is treating us like rubes, same as the Republican handlers have been doing for 2 decades, and like the Republicans, Hillary is pledging "no new taxes" to keep the knee-jerkers in her fold. Unethical, immoral grifter she is, who has carefully used her long progression in politics to earn obscene amounts of money selling us ideals she has never held in her heart (at least since Rutgers). Her political machine knows, quite cynically, how to play the game to win, and maybe Bernie's doesn't. But today we don't need to reward gamesmanship: We have figured out that integrity is what needs to be rewarded if we are ever going to take our democracy back from the billionaires.
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From the article: how to spin a second- or third- or fourth-place finish without sounding too silly.
From the front page headline: Kasich Surges to 2nd in Tight G.O.P. Race
Really?
From the front page headline: Kasich Surges to 2nd in Tight G.O.P. Race
Really?
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Clinton has had 25 years to hone her message. We've gotten it and as a plurality of voters to date have stated, "honesty and integrity are important issues. She is not only a polarizing politician nationally but also in her own party. Trotting out Ms Albright, nee Cardinal Richilieu, to say that women who don't support the Queen are going to hell doesn't sound like yesterday but a voice from hundreds of years ago.
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Kasich is the best general election candidate left. But he was not "The anointed one" like Bush, so he has little money.
At this Point it is as likely as not that we will see A Trump Vs. Sanders choice next November.
If that occurs, who will come in as a third choice and, perhaps, change the course of presidential political history?
At this Point it is as likely as not that we will see A Trump Vs. Sanders choice next November.
If that occurs, who will come in as a third choice and, perhaps, change the course of presidential political history?
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In New Hampshire, democratic socialism sells like hot cakes. Funny but on the other side of the political divide arch-conservatism Trumps more moderate, experienced (read: THE Establishment), voices in the race. Strange that in any other profession we look for someone who knows the ins and outs of their calling in life. Not so in politics, at least when it comes to the befuddled Republicans. Their Want Ad for Prez states: NO Experience Required. After all, how hard can it be to run the nation, and hold the most powerful office in the world? Everything's a mess, right.
This question, In case there was any doubt by the less sophisticated, is rhetorical.
As for those who voted for the Dems, well, they just can't get enough experience in government. The more the merrier. Income Equality, universal health care, free college tuition, Medicare for all, Increased Social Security, a car, a Prius to be sure, in every driveway.
What's not to like? Mind you, these are the higher educated, environmentally aware, believers in the righteousness of government programs crowd. One couldn't imagine this was the voice of a state whose motto is "Live Free or Die", uh-huh?
One thing is apparent though. The polar opposites of NH's political spectrum are representative of this nation as a whole. Never more divided, never more at odds which direction the US should take. If that doesn't spell a massive gridlock in DC for some to come I don't know what does.
DD
Manhattan
This question, In case there was any doubt by the less sophisticated, is rhetorical.
As for those who voted for the Dems, well, they just can't get enough experience in government. The more the merrier. Income Equality, universal health care, free college tuition, Medicare for all, Increased Social Security, a car, a Prius to be sure, in every driveway.
What's not to like? Mind you, these are the higher educated, environmentally aware, believers in the righteousness of government programs crowd. One couldn't imagine this was the voice of a state whose motto is "Live Free or Die", uh-huh?
One thing is apparent though. The polar opposites of NH's political spectrum are representative of this nation as a whole. Never more divided, never more at odds which direction the US should take. If that doesn't spell a massive gridlock in DC for some to come I don't know what does.
DD
Manhattan
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What does "long expected" mean? Sanders was down in my state last spring. The NYT, the the DNC, missed the boat here. The people are mad, and they want, huge...huge! Financial reform, along with honesty.
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I wonder if any members of the NYT editorial board or columnists like Collins, Blow, Egan, and Krugman have second thoughts about Hillary as their rather hurried choice for president. I certainly have second thoughts about my choice of newspaper and columnists for advice.
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The argument that the proximity of New Hampshire to Vermont influenced the votes for Sanders is a lot like Palin- logic (Russia-Alaska, remember?).
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Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton cannot escape the historic socioeconomic political reality that forever ties her to her husband. No one knows nor cares who was Mr. Margaret Thatcher nor who is Mr. Angela Merkel. But by starting out as more than a traditional American First Lady and spouse focused on her own talents and a post White House political career no one has to ask who is Mr. Hillary Rodham Clinton. Hillary has all of Bill's friends, enemies, weaknesses and strengths to contend with along with suffering by personal political comparison and contrast.
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There is only one story emerging from last night's vote...Hillary Clinton is not a viable candidate. She wasn't beaten by anything Sanders did except when he mentioned that he wasn't her. If Hillary debated herself she would lose. She's tottered from misstep to miscue, completely misreading the electorate in every instance. Hillary needs to drop out now and if she refuses then the Justice Department needs to indict her to force her out. Sanders will not be the Demo nominee but they will need to replace Hillary with someone acceptable to his soon-to-be-outraged supporters and who also mollifies the 'woman president' voters in the Democratic Party. My guess is Warren.
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There are some dynamics at work with which Sanders and Trump are in tune and another which most media and politicians have not confronted but which Sanders and Trump are changing. The cultural conservatives and pro-business interests in both Parties have taken control of the national conversation for three and a half decades, now, and it has prevented anyone from addressing the issues which are now animating the popularity for Sanders and Trump. Sanders has ended that dynamic by defining what he is discussing and it resonates because he's on the right track. As problematic as are the issues he is discussing they are real and pressing and they must be addressed even if they are contrary to what has been politically comfortable in the past. The concentration of wealth is the result of nearly all new wealth returning to the investors and not passing through our national economy, and it's the reason so many remain unemployed or with lower incomes despite the recovery, the nation's economy is not keeping up with the global economy in terms of wealth creation. Trump is appealing to the sense of lost prosperity and hope for a better future with a version of, "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore". Trump's solutions will make it all worse. Trump will try to make American labor competitive with Chinese labor costs. He may increase the manufacturing base but he will reduce the average standard of living in this country. Clinton must be willing to change to win.
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First, lets get one thing straight. the NH primary was a farce. 42% of Republicans crossed over to vote for a Democrat and 45% of Democrats crossed over to vote for a Republican. NH has open voting . Need I say more!!!!!!
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I keep waiting for the media to do some serious "vetting" on Sanders. We already know about all the Clinton baggage. Let's hear the baggage on Sanders--or is he a saint? The 18-29 year-olds must think so.
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Get over it, NYT. It's over for Clinton. I don't think the black vote can save her. With Trump in the picture, he will probably wake up the Black community by asking what Hillary, the Democrats, and Obama have done for the Black's in this past decade....and before? The answer is, "nothing." He most likely will go on to say how illegal aliens have taken jobs away from the Black community, how illegal aliens and refugees are receiving many more benefits than U.S. citizens of all colors etc., etc. You get the picture. And, unfortunately, there is absolutely no way Clinton....or Bernie....can defend the "lack of action" on the part of Obama and the Democrats.
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One difference between Sanders and Clinton is this: when Clinton speaks, she holds up a mirror to herself; when Sanders speaks, he holds up a mirror to the people. Sanders truly understands what people are worried about.
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The Clintons have become fabulously wealthy from their public service. They should quit while their ahead and not subject the country to more nonsense about how they are against Wall Street and such.
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Don't know what has happened to the NY Times but as usual the Editorial Board is tone deaf and not in touch with our times and American reality. Taking positions that are clearly and vehemently politically biased have destroyed its credibility and trust as an icon of American journalism.
And now we English speaking Americans find that in the wisdom of the Times management a Spanish language version of the paper has been launched. Why? Would it not be better to urge the non-English speaking immigrant minority to learn our American language rather than cater to their ethnic persuasion?
Seems to this writer that our cherished NY Times has lost its way and something must be done to replace the management and editorial staff with a more responsible team that is responsive to the new reality of our 2016 times
And now we English speaking Americans find that in the wisdom of the Times management a Spanish language version of the paper has been launched. Why? Would it not be better to urge the non-English speaking immigrant minority to learn our American language rather than cater to their ethnic persuasion?
Seems to this writer that our cherished NY Times has lost its way and something must be done to replace the management and editorial staff with a more responsible team that is responsive to the new reality of our 2016 times
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Editorials are supposed to express the views of the editors.
Calling them "biased" is silly. Calling them tone deaf is, respectfully, your "bias."
Calling them "biased" is silly. Calling them tone deaf is, respectfully, your "bias."
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"ended one of the Democratic debates by invoking the “Star Wars” tagline, “May the force be with you.”" Sooo weird. A fundamentally humorless candidate - why does she even try? And, I'm sorry, her yelling is a shrill. Sort of similar to hard chalk dragged across a cold black board. Has nothing to do with being a woman.
I know - my wife yells at me all the time and her yell sounds nothing like Hillary's. And then that cadence - present when Hillary is wrapping up a speech. Dragging out every word and syllable. One waits painfully for the sentence end. Sounds awful. Maureen Dowd in her column advised Hillary to ditch it.
Bernie has the persona of one's irrasible grumpy grandpa. It works because everyone loves their grandpa; and we know with Bernie it's genuine. Hillary as a foe of sexism is a phoney. No way around it. As Dowd noted: HRC should dump the "it's a woman's turn" card, drop the shrill, stop trying - and failing - to be what she isn't and get to the issues. South Carolina - with the supposed "firewall" - is a test. The stars are aligned here with blacks dominating the Democrat vote. She should crush Bernie here. If she doesn't - or hard to imagine actually loses - the once automatic coronation is truly over.
I know - my wife yells at me all the time and her yell sounds nothing like Hillary's. And then that cadence - present when Hillary is wrapping up a speech. Dragging out every word and syllable. One waits painfully for the sentence end. Sounds awful. Maureen Dowd in her column advised Hillary to ditch it.
Bernie has the persona of one's irrasible grumpy grandpa. It works because everyone loves their grandpa; and we know with Bernie it's genuine. Hillary as a foe of sexism is a phoney. No way around it. As Dowd noted: HRC should dump the "it's a woman's turn" card, drop the shrill, stop trying - and failing - to be what she isn't and get to the issues. South Carolina - with the supposed "firewall" - is a test. The stars are aligned here with blacks dominating the Democrat vote. She should crush Bernie here. If she doesn't - or hard to imagine actually loses - the once automatic coronation is truly over.
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I have figured out the scenario that leads to President Sanders delivering on his promises and here is how it all works out -
1) President Sanders takes office.
2) The Republican congressional members (especially the one in the south) suddenly realize the error of their ways and ask their Republican governors to un-gerrymander their congressional districts.
3) Fair elections with no voter suppression are held, which lead to a Democratic majority in the congress. Minority leader Paul Ryan pledges to work "with all his heart" with the Democrats.
4) In the meantime, McConnel, overcome by all the snapchats from Bernie millenials, defects to the Democratic party along with other "moderate" Republican members such as Rubio and Cruz.
5) Free healthcare and free tuition and free unlimited texting and instagram uploads are approved overwhelmingly by congress and a beaming President Sanders signs the aptly named "Free for All" bill in a Rose Garden ceremony with McConnel and Ryan standing behind him.
6) In the meantime, Scalia and Thomas, caught up in the Sanders euphoria, urge SCOTUS take on the pending case on campus finance reform and not only overturn Citizens, but write a scathing critique of their earlier flawed ruling that becomes a must read for all future law students.
7) And oh BTW, the NRA and ISIS, both overcome by the overwhelming force of liberal fanatasies emanating out of the White House, surrender their weapons voluntarily.
Wow! I am so feeling the Bern!
1) President Sanders takes office.
2) The Republican congressional members (especially the one in the south) suddenly realize the error of their ways and ask their Republican governors to un-gerrymander their congressional districts.
3) Fair elections with no voter suppression are held, which lead to a Democratic majority in the congress. Minority leader Paul Ryan pledges to work "with all his heart" with the Democrats.
4) In the meantime, McConnel, overcome by all the snapchats from Bernie millenials, defects to the Democratic party along with other "moderate" Republican members such as Rubio and Cruz.
5) Free healthcare and free tuition and free unlimited texting and instagram uploads are approved overwhelmingly by congress and a beaming President Sanders signs the aptly named "Free for All" bill in a Rose Garden ceremony with McConnel and Ryan standing behind him.
6) In the meantime, Scalia and Thomas, caught up in the Sanders euphoria, urge SCOTUS take on the pending case on campus finance reform and not only overturn Citizens, but write a scathing critique of their earlier flawed ruling that becomes a must read for all future law students.
7) And oh BTW, the NRA and ISIS, both overcome by the overwhelming force of liberal fanatasies emanating out of the White House, surrender their weapons voluntarily.
Wow! I am so feeling the Bern!
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The Clintons are so 80s.
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I'm a Bernie supporter, and I'm rather taken aback at all the vitriol and animus directed at Hillary. I suppose it's human nature, but The Man himself has eschewed such tactics, and I think his fellowship is not listening to that part of his message. We don't need to tear down our fellow Democrats.
Hillary is nothing if not dedicated to the service of her country. She is a well-intentioned, fiercely smart and energetic woman who would make a great President - have no doubt about that. She has her faults, don't we all? But to suggest she is a craven hussy intent only on her own aggrandizement or enrichment is a stretch. She deserves better treatment than that, and you should know better. (I know you don't like to be scolded, but this has to be said.)
Hillary is nothing if not dedicated to the service of her country. She is a well-intentioned, fiercely smart and energetic woman who would make a great President - have no doubt about that. She has her faults, don't we all? But to suggest she is a craven hussy intent only on her own aggrandizement or enrichment is a stretch. She deserves better treatment than that, and you should know better. (I know you don't like to be scolded, but this has to be said.)
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Wow, just wow. The anti-Hillary comments both here and across the internet are upsetting and frightening. They are upsetting because, here we are on the eve of what could be a historic victory for both democrats and women everywhere, and democrats, as they do, are preparing to undermine that opportunity by nominating yet another old white man. This is frightening because it shows that many democrats, despite their obvious political differences with GOP, have revealed themselves to be the same type of angry, uninformed voter as the republicans they detest. Bernie Sanders' is the democratic version of Trump. His free college and medicare-for-all are as unrealistic as Trump's wall and deportation schemes, and democrats who believe Sanders could pass his ambitious and divisive agenda are as gullible as any right-winger who believes our nation wants the authoritarian-theocratic option presented by the tea party. If Sanders is the democratic nominee, we might as well accept the inevitability of a GOP presidency. By the way: that whole 'Clinton is distrustful' narrative has been perpetually pushed by the GOP, and perpetually discredited by all investigations. Why are democrats so eager to believe this particular republican lie? Maybe sexism is baked into even the most liberal cakes.
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Reporting has been biased towards Clinton from the start as the news media has no experience covering a an honest candidate such as Sanders.
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The thing that keeps hitting me right between the eyes; when Clinton speaks she talks primarily about her, when Bernie speaks he is always referring to we.
All the demographics that democrats need to win this thing were won by Bernie Sanders; independents, young, working class males in New Hampshire.
Clinton really only did well among folks my age, and when they get a little more familiar with Sanders she will lose those voters as well.
The Clintons seem to be panicking and it seems a little early for that, which might be the worst part of the deal. She really does seem to resent the contest that Sanders presents.
All the demographics that democrats need to win this thing were won by Bernie Sanders; independents, young, working class males in New Hampshire.
Clinton really only did well among folks my age, and when they get a little more familiar with Sanders she will lose those voters as well.
The Clintons seem to be panicking and it seems a little early for that, which might be the worst part of the deal. She really does seem to resent the contest that Sanders presents.
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If I were a strategy adviser for Senator Bernie Sanders, I'd tell him to start defining his concept of socialism as "capitalism with a heart vs. vulture capitalism". That way, the critics can't attack him. The word "socialism" has been demonized in this country since the 1800s. Senator Sanders needs to explain that his message is capitalism with a heart. As it stands, what the U.S. has now is "vulture capitalism" (no enforced regulations) that has led over the last 30 years to the creation of an oligarchy. My concern is that the corporate media is going to really hammer Sanders on the socialism theme. FOX is already attacking Sanders by equating Sanders with the Soviet Union which is, of course, absurd, but that's only previews of coming attractions. Bernie has to beat them at their own game: he should say that democratic socialism is still capitalism but "capitalism with a heart."
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I believe Bernie has explained several times what he stands for and his concept of democratic socialism. The problem does not lie with him but, with the ignorance of those who refuse to understand all of what it actually means to them going forward. As far as the Republican Party is concerned, their response will be very predictable and loaded with fear mongering because, for the first time in decades, he represents an honest, compassionate threat to the status quo and those oligarchs that control the Republican Party.
It is up to the electorate to understand that, ask real questions of their candidates and their solutions, NOT being overpowered by bravado, threats and lies.
It is up to the electorate to understand that, ask real questions of their candidates and their solutions, NOT being overpowered by bravado, threats and lies.
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How could Hillary get my truly enthusiastic support? 1) Start quoting the Joseph Stiglitz program for reinventing the American economy. 2) Start calling on Elizabeth Warren, a woman with zero authenticity issues, for direction on fighting inequality. 3) Abandon the "tough guy" posture and start promoting diplomacy as the most effective method of dealing with international relations. 4) Start talking about expanding the Affordable Care Act to eliminate medical bankruptcies. 5) Take a strong stand on warming and renewable energy, a revolution that is happening as we speak. 6) Stop the excuses and bad-mouthing of Bernie. We want more than a lesser evil.
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Although he probably would lean far more towards Bernie Sanders policies, Hillary Clinton might want to ask Robert Reich to get involved with her campaign. In his well researched documentary, Inequality For All, even during Bill Clintons administration, he understood exactly where the country was headed and it was not going to be pretty. With that in mind, in disappointment, he ultimately, resigned from the Clinton administration and that pretty much gives us an idea where Hillary Clinton would stand on these important issues that Sanders keeps talking about.
If you really want more of the same and use experience as the excuse yet, keep the status quo? Then vote Hillary.
If you really want more of the same and use experience as the excuse yet, keep the status quo? Then vote Hillary.
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The most dispiriting event of this Presidential campaign cycle, and there have been many, for me, was the undisciplined and undignified trammeling of Bernie Sanders by the next generation Clinton, Chelsea. Her attack claiming that he was going to undo Obamacare was shameful, untrue, and in keeping with both parent's intent to obfuscate and lie when backed into a corner.
Chelsea, there have got to be better traits from your folks that you can emulate. Now, give me a minute to think of one...
Chelsea, there have got to be better traits from your folks that you can emulate. Now, give me a minute to think of one...
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The NYT is still playing Sisyphus trying to roll its readers up the Hill. Sorry, gentlemen and/or ladies, every time you get her up a ways her real self comes out and she rolls back down.
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Per the NYT's reporting, one of the "key takeaways" from New Hampshire is that people don't trust Hillary. So why doesn't the editorial board support the calls for her to release the transcripts of her paid speeches? Wouldn't that go a long way towards addressing the trust issues? It seems so obvious to me, I can't believe she hasn't done it already. Unless, of course, there's something to hide.
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There seem to be a lot of people who do not understand the history of our country and that there are states that are called "New England" because of that history. Makes me wonder who is writing some of these comments.
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Of course, according to Hillary it is all the money Bernie Sanders spent in NH that decided the outcome.
It had nothing to do with her sense of entitlement, smug alienation from common people's concerns and a well earned reputation for chronic lying and duplicity.
That is something that Gloria Steinem's, Madeleine Albright's and Webb Hubble's daughter Chelsea Clinton cannot repair with their heated angry rhetoric.
It had nothing to do with her sense of entitlement, smug alienation from common people's concerns and a well earned reputation for chronic lying and duplicity.
That is something that Gloria Steinem's, Madeleine Albright's and Webb Hubble's daughter Chelsea Clinton cannot repair with their heated angry rhetoric.
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Sen. Sanders continues to emphasize "we," while Mrs. Clinton keeps saying "me," and you see the result. It may not be a revolution in the strictest sense, but it's darn close.
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Thank goodness this editorial was all about Hillary Clinton. Win, lose, or get pounded (as in last NH night), the campaign is always seen here in NYT World through the Looking Glass, i.e. the Clinton campaign. Any chance we could see an editorial congratulating Bernie Sanders on a clean campaign and a decisive win? Or at least analyzing how he prevailed so overwhelmingly? Apparently, not a chance. "New Hampshire is in fact a drop in the bucket of delegates needed to win the nominations."
Translation: nothing to see here; let's move along....nothing to see here.....
Translation: nothing to see here; let's move along....nothing to see here.....
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Unbelievable, Bernie Sanders wins 60% of the vote in the New Hampshire primary and the Editorial Board writes about Hillary Clinton and the front page headline puts Trump before Sanders. I'm going to find a real newspaper to subscribe to, because this once great one has ceased to practice journalism.
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What results can you expect when you have a corrupt candidate who violates national security laws, and influence peddles her positions to enrich her Foundation even if it against the interests of the country. Unless Obama covers for her like he did Lois Lerner, her supporters will have to deal with her indictment. The FBI doesn't do security reviews of servers and they don't waste the time of 100 agents to pursue nothing. Over 1500 emails classified , 22 top secret and 18 to Obama have been found on her server, even though he said he learned about it through the media, and he prejudged the investigation by saying she did nothing wrong.. And this is the kind of candidate the Democráts put forward. Says a lot about the party. but of course they put forth Oabma.
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The more The New York Times and its Editorial Board pushes for Mrs Clinton as the choice for Democratic nominee and eventually President, the more there's push-back from the voters, and Mr Sanders gains more visibility, votes, contributions and attention. Keep it up.
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Predictable outcome! The voters are onto her, especially the <65 segment. They've had their day in the sun and its time to go!
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The coronation is merely being delayed. One would have thought that if Hillary has seen the polls showing that most voters believe she is dishonest and a liar, she would be working real hard to prove to voters that she is neither dishonest nor a liar. But she does not even try to do that, but instead turns to her surrogates to try to trash Bernie. Now Hillary turns to her stable of low information emotional voters for support. In a state that she won 8 years ago, Hillary lost in all age groups other than the over 65 retired persons category. Not only did she lose the vote of young people, she lost the vote of the under 60 crowd. No wonder there is no excitement in her camp; her supporters need their naps. But her Wall Street money talks, and she owns the oligarchy, including the mainstream press.
Write Blow, write Krugman, need more biased pro-Hillary articles in The Times.
Write Blow, write Krugman, need more biased pro-Hillary articles in The Times.
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Perhaps the best outcome of Tuesday night is that I don't have to listen to that unelectable nonsense anymore.
How can someone who mobilizes the youth and independents be described as anything other than extremely electable?
How can someone who mobilizes the youth and independents be described as anything other than extremely electable?
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If you followed carefully the GOP presidential primaries, all those fifteen candidates, the entire far right media, the FOXes, Rush Limbaughs and Bill O’ Reilleys of this world, the conservative think tanks, the secretive PAC’s with several billion dollars in the war chests ready to be spent you would know that all of them had the same objective: stopping Hillary Clinton this November.
It was almost a collective obsession. All those GOP candidates were explaining their best strategies and personal traits necessary to defeat her.
Of course, the truth and reality are completely different. It took an elderly socialist with very mild manners speaking the truth and nothing but the truth to stop her...
Now we wonder as a country if almost a trillion dollar in defensive budget per year is needed to defend America.
Maybe some elderly socialist with superb wisdom and intellect could accomplish the same objective by spending only a couple hundred billion dollars yearly. For God’s sake, no other country in this world spends more than that on defense.
What do North Korea, Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, India, Nepal, Bhutan and Myanmar have in common?
All those countries border China.
If America bordered the same rogue countries you bet the GOP would request the military budget of $10 trillion to defend us...
It was almost a collective obsession. All those GOP candidates were explaining their best strategies and personal traits necessary to defeat her.
Of course, the truth and reality are completely different. It took an elderly socialist with very mild manners speaking the truth and nothing but the truth to stop her...
Now we wonder as a country if almost a trillion dollar in defensive budget per year is needed to defend America.
Maybe some elderly socialist with superb wisdom and intellect could accomplish the same objective by spending only a couple hundred billion dollars yearly. For God’s sake, no other country in this world spends more than that on defense.
What do North Korea, Russia, Mongolia, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan, Pakistan, Tajikistan, Afghanistan, India, Nepal, Bhutan and Myanmar have in common?
All those countries border China.
If America bordered the same rogue countries you bet the GOP would request the military budget of $10 trillion to defend us...
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"...there’s plenty she could say about herself instead of allowing her campaign to attack Mr. Sanders..."
As has been, it is all about Hillary Clinton not about what she will do to really stop Wall Street and corporate America from further plundering our country.
I hope HRC's newest incarnation will not be hiding behind her surrogates, including Bill Clinton, and as they try slinging even more mud at Sanders and damage both herself and Bernie.
You can pity her suffering and sympathize with her self-pity but that should never be a reason to vote for anyone, unless you want to patronize her.
Being hated by Republicans is also not a badge of honor when their hatred comes mainly from recognizing someone who has done a better job of fooling people into thinking she cares for them. Conveniently flip-flopping on the TPP after years of championing it, should be enough for anyone to see that any care she may have for the American people is so easily put aside when it might hurt her buddies on Wall Street or in corporate America. No matter what the transcripts of her talks to viciously greedy bankers on Wall Street say, her evasive avoidance of supporting a modern version of a Glass-Steagall law says volumes.
No matter what new spin she puts on her record a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for a slower and harder to combat covert decline in democracy than under a Republican. Why should anyone vote for that when there is an honest alternative to unite behind?
As has been, it is all about Hillary Clinton not about what she will do to really stop Wall Street and corporate America from further plundering our country.
I hope HRC's newest incarnation will not be hiding behind her surrogates, including Bill Clinton, and as they try slinging even more mud at Sanders and damage both herself and Bernie.
You can pity her suffering and sympathize with her self-pity but that should never be a reason to vote for anyone, unless you want to patronize her.
Being hated by Republicans is also not a badge of honor when their hatred comes mainly from recognizing someone who has done a better job of fooling people into thinking she cares for them. Conveniently flip-flopping on the TPP after years of championing it, should be enough for anyone to see that any care she may have for the American people is so easily put aside when it might hurt her buddies on Wall Street or in corporate America. No matter what the transcripts of her talks to viciously greedy bankers on Wall Street say, her evasive avoidance of supporting a modern version of a Glass-Steagall law says volumes.
No matter what new spin she puts on her record a vote for Hillary Clinton is a vote for a slower and harder to combat covert decline in democracy than under a Republican. Why should anyone vote for that when there is an honest alternative to unite behind?
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The New York Times editorial board is less naive and more aware from their vantage point of the partisan positioning and jousting going on in the comments and opinion pages than the average reader.
Note how interested Frank Bruni, or Mr. Douthat or their other white, male, Republican affiliated columnist are in speaking as if they had authority on the subjects of feminism and Hillary Clinton. Note the long knives issuing forth from certain individuals in NY journalistic circles like Ms. Dowd or Gail Sheehy, who have histories of personal vendettas against the Clintons clawing for revenge.
So in sum, Hillary Clinton has been a figure of remarkable restraint, and the organized piling on that has occurred by the Sanders Facbook bots whenever a supporter speaks up in her defense betrays an aggressive and concerted effort on the Sander's campaign's behalf to do exactly - precisely what the candidate swears he will never do. That's rank hypocrisy and the dark side, when a candidate starts to believe their own blather- given the 2hr. seeming long Sander's acceptance speech in a state that has been his to lose for over three months, self-delusion has begun to set in on his campaign. But, raise my taxes, please. All the neo cons are sharpening their knives anticipating a McGovernesque feast in November.
Get smart, wise up, Vote Hillary!
Note how interested Frank Bruni, or Mr. Douthat or their other white, male, Republican affiliated columnist are in speaking as if they had authority on the subjects of feminism and Hillary Clinton. Note the long knives issuing forth from certain individuals in NY journalistic circles like Ms. Dowd or Gail Sheehy, who have histories of personal vendettas against the Clintons clawing for revenge.
So in sum, Hillary Clinton has been a figure of remarkable restraint, and the organized piling on that has occurred by the Sanders Facbook bots whenever a supporter speaks up in her defense betrays an aggressive and concerted effort on the Sander's campaign's behalf to do exactly - precisely what the candidate swears he will never do. That's rank hypocrisy and the dark side, when a candidate starts to believe their own blather- given the 2hr. seeming long Sander's acceptance speech in a state that has been his to lose for over three months, self-delusion has begun to set in on his campaign. But, raise my taxes, please. All the neo cons are sharpening their knives anticipating a McGovernesque feast in November.
Get smart, wise up, Vote Hillary!
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From where I sit here in the bleachers, Hillary Clinton looks like a failing, barely competent politician. This does not bode well for her campaign or how she would govern the nation. If we had an Administrator-in-Chief, she could be perfect. The presidency involves swimming the waters where, right now, she is flailing, flapping her arms like a drowning distance swimmer caught in a rip tide.
One mark of someone who becomes president and operates successfully is an absolutely sure sense of what to do, what to say and, most importantly, what not to do or say. This sense has to be drawn from a deep, intuitive understanding of the American public and how things and words will look when projected nationally. Mrs. Clinton's campaign has been misfiring on all cylinders in the last week, but that's not the half of it. The blunders make it look as though she has no innate sense of what she and her campaign should be doing. This is '08, redux.
The problem is the candidate herself. She is not a natural at this game, she comes across as someone, still, trying hard to play the role in which she is cast. Having started at the top in American politics, she lacks the fundamental training that people go through long before seeking the highest office. Plus, her life experiences and inner sensibilities do not seem to have provided the necessary grounding that would reflect better political judgement, day by day. Some people have it, some people don't.
One mark of someone who becomes president and operates successfully is an absolutely sure sense of what to do, what to say and, most importantly, what not to do or say. This sense has to be drawn from a deep, intuitive understanding of the American public and how things and words will look when projected nationally. Mrs. Clinton's campaign has been misfiring on all cylinders in the last week, but that's not the half of it. The blunders make it look as though she has no innate sense of what she and her campaign should be doing. This is '08, redux.
The problem is the candidate herself. She is not a natural at this game, she comes across as someone, still, trying hard to play the role in which she is cast. Having started at the top in American politics, she lacks the fundamental training that people go through long before seeking the highest office. Plus, her life experiences and inner sensibilities do not seem to have provided the necessary grounding that would reflect better political judgement, day by day. Some people have it, some people don't.
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As much as I want the revolution Bernie describes, I was far more inspired by Hillary's concession speech than by his victory speech. Hillary radiated energy and confidence as she described a much more inclusive vision for our future. I worry about whether she is committed to the changes Bernie describes, and I also worry that Bernie's message is more about who should be jailed or fired (e.g., saying Michigan's governor should resign) than how we're going to solve our problems. Bernie needs to come across as a leader, not a critic; and Hillary needs to make this a contest not about who has the better goals but who brings the whole package to the challenge of achieving them.
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Hillary will not win in a very white, pro-gun state and no one expected her to do so. To say she is panicking is a bit silly considering she is winning delegate count after just two atypical small states that do not look much like the rest of the Democrats. Delegates are how Democrats select our candidates and Bernie's sudden dash to develop a few friends who aren't white and male is rather humorous. Run, Bernie, run...but you better hurry because the color starts to bloom later this month and especially in March.
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It is not a "sudden dash." You need to learn more about Bernie Sanders.
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During the Presidential election in 2008 in which she had a narrow victory over Barack Obama in New Hampshire, that seemed to be quite significant towards her Presidential aspirations. How quickly people forget. This time in a head to head primary, she gets hammered by over 21 percent and now it is not so important?
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We who live in New Jersey can only pray that Chris Christie doesn't return to New Jersey! He should go to Disney World and live with the other cartoon characters!
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Lost in the conversation as of late is that if Hillary Clinton wins, two families will have run the country for 28 years of our modern politics. This fact alone trumps any argument that Hillary is an outsider.
The "establishment" is just another word for the oligarchy of a few families and corporations that rule the United States. As crazy as Trump is and as overly-idealistic as Sanders is, I'm glad to see the American people pushing back on this oligarchy through their voting.
The "establishment" is just another word for the oligarchy of a few families and corporations that rule the United States. As crazy as Trump is and as overly-idealistic as Sanders is, I'm glad to see the American people pushing back on this oligarchy through their voting.
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I'm not understanding the pundits (like MSNBC's Chris Matthews) charge that Hillary Clinton isn't clear about her reason to run. She has laid out an agenda under the theme that she can get it done, encapsulated in her slogan "Fighting for us". If Hillary Clinton alters her pitch now, it will only reinforce the image that she is political and untrustworthy. The struggle she is having now is the result of the months and months of Republican smears, picking up on the same strategy that haunted the Clinton's throughout his Presidency.
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This is not a presidential election, it is a referendum on the direction that the USA has been heading.
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Hillary, who is proving she can not win a general election, should do her party and the nation a favor and quit the race now so that the clearly more popular Sanders can start focusing on his Republican opponents.
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It looks like the contest between Clinton and Sanders is going to be interesting. What Hillary really needs to do, however, is to put a piece of strong duct tape over her husband's mouth.
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There are a number of Democratic women I would have loved to see run for the presidency, including Elizabeth Warren, but none of them threw their hat into the ring because because this was Hillary's time. She's all about feminism and women's rights unless it means giving another gal a shot at winning the prize.
It annoys me to no end that the Clintons think Hillary is entitled to be president, that she has basically been hanging out in the throne room for 8 years waiting to snatch the crown. That's not how this works.
It annoys me to no end that the Clintons think Hillary is entitled to be president, that she has basically been hanging out in the throne room for 8 years waiting to snatch the crown. That's not how this works.
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Dear NPR PBS and the corporate media. With 20 plus years in the House and Senate Bernie Sanders not only has the experience in Foreign Affairs and can take the heat. Exactly how many years has Trump experience in anything or Hillary dealing with the different people in either House or Senate? Quote form today NY Times.
“The proposed expansion of Social Security alone would cost more than $100 billion over 10 years, then rise substantially after that.”
Typical one sided thought, I am a senior and I spend money that creates jobs I also see doctors and nurses and they have jobs also what about the rest of society benefiting from our experience that that money would create more than enough to cover the cost.
The pressure seems to be on Hilary not Bernie.
“The proposed expansion of Social Security alone would cost more than $100 billion over 10 years, then rise substantially after that.”
Typical one sided thought, I am a senior and I spend money that creates jobs I also see doctors and nurses and they have jobs also what about the rest of society benefiting from our experience that that money would create more than enough to cover the cost.
The pressure seems to be on Hilary not Bernie.
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two takeaways from last night.
first trying to explain the Clintons to my daughters is like trying to tell them
what a Fleetwood Mac show I attended in 1990 was like. their time is past and the next generation is here.
also to the NYT - how does it feel to be the Establishment Media? because that's
what you are now.
first trying to explain the Clintons to my daughters is like trying to tell them
what a Fleetwood Mac show I attended in 1990 was like. their time is past and the next generation is here.
also to the NYT - how does it feel to be the Establishment Media? because that's
what you are now.
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All the commentators missed a line in Sanders victory speech last night that deeply resonanted with me.
He urged both Clinton's supporters and his own supporter's not to engage in the negative campaigning that took place in the last few days, because whatever happens, democrats will need to come together in the next few months.
Sanders is a man of great integrity and civility. The only advise Clinton needs is to follow his example.
He urged both Clinton's supporters and his own supporter's not to engage in the negative campaigning that took place in the last few days, because whatever happens, democrats will need to come together in the next few months.
Sanders is a man of great integrity and civility. The only advise Clinton needs is to follow his example.
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Agree wholeheartedly, but it would require humility — not in her genes.
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You might have added. Hillary lost in almost every demographic group. She lost with woman, she lost with youth, she was perceived accurately as untrustworthy. Bernie Sanders looking forward gave the speech I have been waiting over sixty years to hear. It was a great speech, taking on the system and the status quo. And like it or not NYT, unless we drastically change our system and join Bernie's 'revolution. our nation will continue to become less a nation of hope and more a nation for the rich. Now, of course, Hilary will began to 'adjust'. She will speak of great change and lifting all boats, But given her history of questionable ethics and poor decisions, her warmongering support of the Iraq war, her super packs and her wall street connections I do not and did not trust her, and neither did the voters of New Hampshire.
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For those of you who insist that Hillary is more experienced than Bernie, please check your history. Bernie had been in the House of Representatives for two years when Bill Clinton first ran for president. He'd already been a mayor and a governor, two offices which provided executive experience, something Hillary has never had. Also note that he became active in political movements back in 1962, leading a rally to confront racial inequality at the very beginning of that social awakening. I might also add that Hillary was campaigning for Barry Goldwater at about the same time. Check out Goldwater's platform if you're not up to date on that campaign.
Fast forward, what is more important than experience? Judgement! It is extremely difficult to face an overwhelming tide like that which followed 9/11. Despite that, Bernie stood his ground, spoke against the invasion of Iraq and voted likewise. It would be informative for you to know who else opposed the ensuing debacle. You might notice a certain quality that many of you, regardless of your current inclination, would like to be identified with.
Fast forward, what is more important than experience? Judgement! It is extremely difficult to face an overwhelming tide like that which followed 9/11. Despite that, Bernie stood his ground, spoke against the invasion of Iraq and voted likewise. It would be informative for you to know who else opposed the ensuing debacle. You might notice a certain quality that many of you, regardless of your current inclination, would like to be identified with.
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JebExclamationPoint has been a dead man walking for months, and now, after being humiliated in New Hampshire, Mrs. Clinton has taken a giant leap toward zombie status, as well. What's becoming clearer with each succeeding week is that neither one of these off-putting oligarchs can take a hint.
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Ms Clinton has only herself to blame for her situation relative to Bernie Sanders. She, like her husband, plays too loosely with the truth about matters large and small and over time that behavior catches up with a candidate.
Make no mistake, Ms Clinton is a far superior candidate for the presidency than any republican currently running, with the possible exception of John Kasich. But that is more the matter of the dysfunctional republican party value system.
Its not at all clear that Ms Clinton is a superior candidate to Bernie Sanders. Ms Clinton had a good record as Senator from NY, but nothing superior to Mr Sanders' record in the Senate. When you combine Mr Sanders' tenure in the House, he certainly has more legislative experience than does Ms Clinton.
Ms Clinton's tenure as Sec of State was undistinguished. She didn't break any china, so to speak, nor did she resolve any foreign policy issues.
That's her record. Her tenure as First Lady accomplished nothing as her signature effort in healthcare failed completely.
Let's face it, were she not married to Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton would likely be a partner in some major Little Rock law firm. To be fair, Bill Clinton would likely be the same without her. They are a pair, and formidable.
Should Ms Clinton not get the nomination, it might be cathartic for the US to have a Sanders vs Cruz election. Then in 2020, Elizabeth Warren would follow Sanders into the White House and history will be made.
Make no mistake, Ms Clinton is a far superior candidate for the presidency than any republican currently running, with the possible exception of John Kasich. But that is more the matter of the dysfunctional republican party value system.
Its not at all clear that Ms Clinton is a superior candidate to Bernie Sanders. Ms Clinton had a good record as Senator from NY, but nothing superior to Mr Sanders' record in the Senate. When you combine Mr Sanders' tenure in the House, he certainly has more legislative experience than does Ms Clinton.
Ms Clinton's tenure as Sec of State was undistinguished. She didn't break any china, so to speak, nor did she resolve any foreign policy issues.
That's her record. Her tenure as First Lady accomplished nothing as her signature effort in healthcare failed completely.
Let's face it, were she not married to Bill Clinton, Hillary Clinton would likely be a partner in some major Little Rock law firm. To be fair, Bill Clinton would likely be the same without her. They are a pair, and formidable.
Should Ms Clinton not get the nomination, it might be cathartic for the US to have a Sanders vs Cruz election. Then in 2020, Elizabeth Warren would follow Sanders into the White House and history will be made.
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The majority of democratic voters were not fooled by the NYTimes' intellectually dishonest endorsement last week and the people are not fooled by your transparent attempt in this editorial to soften Hillary "Wall Street" Clinton's overwhelming trouncing by Bernie Sanders by asserting the NH primary results are merely a drop in the bucket. To be sure, over the last 12 months the NYTimes has become the Clinton campaign’s public relations department unethically spinning all its political articles for Clinton. Like Fox News, the NYTimes lacks credibility for providing accurate political news and information.
What's behind the NYTimes' support for Hillary? In Jan 2015, Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim became the NYTimes largest shareholder and thus the Editorial Board's boss. Months before, on or about Sept 1, 2014, Clinton flew down to Mexico to sell herself to Mr. Slim. See Bloomberg business press Sept 3, 2014. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Slim contributed millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation. In August 2015 the Clintons attempted to conceal the total amount of his contributions. See http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-foundation-quietly-revises-mexica... Unknown is the amount of money Mr. Slim contributed to Super Pacs supporting Clinton's campaign, but you can be almost certain Mr. Slim is working hard to ensure the Clinton’s captures the White House. After all, he has made a sizable investment in Clinton’s run for the White House.
What's behind the NYTimes' support for Hillary? In Jan 2015, Mexican billionaire Carlos Slim became the NYTimes largest shareholder and thus the Editorial Board's boss. Months before, on or about Sept 1, 2014, Clinton flew down to Mexico to sell herself to Mr. Slim. See Bloomberg business press Sept 3, 2014. Shortly thereafter, Mr. Slim contributed millions of dollars to the Clinton Foundation. In August 2015 the Clintons attempted to conceal the total amount of his contributions. See http://freebeacon.com/politics/clinton-foundation-quietly-revises-mexica... Unknown is the amount of money Mr. Slim contributed to Super Pacs supporting Clinton's campaign, but you can be almost certain Mr. Slim is working hard to ensure the Clinton’s captures the White House. After all, he has made a sizable investment in Clinton’s run for the White House.
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What Bernie Sanders is proposing is a new New Deal. One the American poor and middle class desperately need to finally get ahead in this twenty first century.
We all feel the Bern.
We all feel the Bern.
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First the GOPers...knock off the bottom 5 or 6 candidates and the Donald's huge victory is a narrow win or even a defeat. Not huge at all. Trump's victory speech was a series of stunted thoughts and claims that unemployment is @ "...30%, 40% maybe even higher" and other false claims (little or no reporting on it because we've come to expect distortions). He couldn't hide his disdain for the other GOP candidates even as he offered his shallow praise for the field.
Meanwhile, Sanders gave an acceptance speech that was respectful to Hillary and spoke directly of engergizing and uniting the Dems regardless of who the nominee was...as well as addressing climate change, incarceration, justice, ISIS, gender rights and of course and wealth equality. Not a peep about what he was messaging, especially about uniting the Dems--why?
Sanders actual did win huge against the most experienced and powerful campaign machine and set historical records on donations--don't we like record breakers? Maybe it will show up on ESPN.
Sanders is mentioned only as a backdrop in this and many other NYT peices as well as other media outlets. The analysis and reporting is consistently narrow and distorted. Will this change, no, which makes Sanders victory and momentum all the more extraordinary.
Meanwhile, Sanders gave an acceptance speech that was respectful to Hillary and spoke directly of engergizing and uniting the Dems regardless of who the nominee was...as well as addressing climate change, incarceration, justice, ISIS, gender rights and of course and wealth equality. Not a peep about what he was messaging, especially about uniting the Dems--why?
Sanders actual did win huge against the most experienced and powerful campaign machine and set historical records on donations--don't we like record breakers? Maybe it will show up on ESPN.
Sanders is mentioned only as a backdrop in this and many other NYT peices as well as other media outlets. The analysis and reporting is consistently narrow and distorted. Will this change, no, which makes Sanders victory and momentum all the more extraordinary.
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Now is the time for HRC to show us whether she has grace under pressure. In '08 she used to claim that she was the one ready to respond to the 2 am phone call of an emergency. That she would have the composure, the experience and the Wisdom to respond most appropriately. Well, in a way, yesterday NH gave her that 2 am phone call. Ms. Clinton, now is the time to show that you really do have that composure, experience and Wisdom. Please, show grace. No mud slinging or petty recriminations. Rise above it. If you don't or can't, you really shouldn't be POTUS in the first place.
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It's now pretty clear that, in perhaps the most important election in 156 years, the Democratic Party elites - including the Times - have badly failed the Party and the country. Hillary may win of course. But it's silly to be rolling the dice with such a weak candidate when so much is at stake.
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After countless editorials to the left of many of Bernie's positions, the one percent that is the Editorial Board--faced with the prospect of eating their cooking-- comes out swinging for Hillary (and is presumably ready to take David Brock's calls). Shocking.
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With Sander's extraordinary win in New Hampshire -- and it was extraordinary, coming up from 30-40 points to trounce Hillary in a landslide -- was a big wake-up call. Apparently, the NYTimes wasn't on the line.
Americans get it, are getting it, and will get it more and more each day. We, the people, have the power. The democracy belongs to us, not those with monies interest. It needs to serve us. The emperor has no clothes.
Americans get it, are getting it, and will get it more and more each day. We, the people, have the power. The democracy belongs to us, not those with monies interest. It needs to serve us. The emperor has no clothes.
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Will changing the players on team Clinton help the captain of the team Hillary win her Super bowl? I doubt it very much. When Hillary talks about what a great job her husband did with economy 20 years ago it’s like Peyton Manning talking about his father Archie winning a Super Bowl 30 years ago. Every time I hear her refer to what Bill did when he was president It makes her look like she can't stand on her own two feet. Bringing out feminist from bygone days is doing little to inspire the young vote. If Hillary has to run against anyone who is not a believer in the Marquis of Queensbury rules she is destined to be label low energy. The label low energy destroyed Jeb Bush. Hillary is coming across as she is owed the Presidency she is not coming across as someone willing to fight for it. Team Hillary doesn’t need a reboot it’s the captain of the team that needs a Control-Alt- Delete!
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What is almost amusing about Bernie Sanders and his "revolution" is how non-revolutionary he and his message are.
He's old school New Deal, plus he's Sixties revolution/protest, and he could be a character out of Clifford Odett's play, "Waiting for Lefty."
Sanders and Clinton are from exactly the same era, the same formative politics, but while her graduation speech at Wellesley drew national coverage in 1968, Bernie was -- where? Doing what?
Hanging out in Vermont, starting up left wing political parties that flamed out, eeking out a living, and occupying his own head.
Secretary Clinton went on to law school, to work on the Senate Watergate committee, undercover in the south to work on civil rights, then the Children's Defense Fund....
Even the word "establishment" is 1960s. I can hear Bernie yelling about the "Establishment" at the University of Chicago in 1967.
God knows, we all did back then.
Once he finally made it Congress, what has Sanders accomplished? Almost nothing of note, no important legislation, no speeches on the floor of Congress that drew national attention, or made him a senator to "watch."
Secretary Clinton has been on the front lines of the battle for health care, women's rights, civil rights, and more, for as many decades as Sanders has been silent.
How dispiriting to watch college kids cheer him, and pundits rave about his authenticity. Where has it been all these years?
Why now, Bernie? At 74?
You're an authentic, ego driven spoiler.
Go, Hillary.
He's old school New Deal, plus he's Sixties revolution/protest, and he could be a character out of Clifford Odett's play, "Waiting for Lefty."
Sanders and Clinton are from exactly the same era, the same formative politics, but while her graduation speech at Wellesley drew national coverage in 1968, Bernie was -- where? Doing what?
Hanging out in Vermont, starting up left wing political parties that flamed out, eeking out a living, and occupying his own head.
Secretary Clinton went on to law school, to work on the Senate Watergate committee, undercover in the south to work on civil rights, then the Children's Defense Fund....
Even the word "establishment" is 1960s. I can hear Bernie yelling about the "Establishment" at the University of Chicago in 1967.
God knows, we all did back then.
Once he finally made it Congress, what has Sanders accomplished? Almost nothing of note, no important legislation, no speeches on the floor of Congress that drew national attention, or made him a senator to "watch."
Secretary Clinton has been on the front lines of the battle for health care, women's rights, civil rights, and more, for as many decades as Sanders has been silent.
How dispiriting to watch college kids cheer him, and pundits rave about his authenticity. Where has it been all these years?
Why now, Bernie? At 74?
You're an authentic, ego driven spoiler.
Go, Hillary.
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The Editors of the Times seem oblivious to the fact that many people are against Hillary because she is corrupt.
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"Besides, there’s plenty she could say about herself instead of allowing her campaign to attack Mr. Sanders and, especially, the motives of his supporters."
Yet this is the drivel the New York Times Editorial Board traffics in as it relates to Republican candidates and their supporters.
Yet this is the drivel the New York Times Editorial Board traffics in as it relates to Republican candidates and their supporters.
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Wheels are coming off the Clinton campaign, just like they did in 2008. Then, she was running around the country screaming, "35 years of experience" when she had been in the Senate but a short time. She was counting all of her life experiences as qualification for the presidency, but, hey, we can all do that, can't we? The plaintiff cry was wrong, the message (empty) was wrong(er).
Bill Clinton's attack on Sanders just before a primary they knew they would lose seems pointless. Maybe he has a plan unknown to the world at large. What's the point of trying to smear someone who, apparently, is beloved by the people of New Hampshire?
The message from the feminist caucus of Albright and Steinem is that males have to lose influence and power (again) if Hillary is going to win. We men will have to (again) bury our aspirations and lower our expectations of participation in society and the leadership thereof so we can show we believe a woman can do the job of president. I believe that a woman can, but they are working hard to convince me that Hillary can't. It would be sort of like the Black Panthers had come back to life and endorsed Obama in '08. It wouldn't have bothered me, but the nation would have FREAKED OUT.
The Democratic party is in deep trouble. They've got Bernie, who is automatically unacceptable to 40 to, what?, 47% of the population and Hillary who is trying hard to hit the same numbers and beyond.
We now see someone who can beat this combo: Kasich.
Bill Clinton's attack on Sanders just before a primary they knew they would lose seems pointless. Maybe he has a plan unknown to the world at large. What's the point of trying to smear someone who, apparently, is beloved by the people of New Hampshire?
The message from the feminist caucus of Albright and Steinem is that males have to lose influence and power (again) if Hillary is going to win. We men will have to (again) bury our aspirations and lower our expectations of participation in society and the leadership thereof so we can show we believe a woman can do the job of president. I believe that a woman can, but they are working hard to convince me that Hillary can't. It would be sort of like the Black Panthers had come back to life and endorsed Obama in '08. It wouldn't have bothered me, but the nation would have FREAKED OUT.
The Democratic party is in deep trouble. They've got Bernie, who is automatically unacceptable to 40 to, what?, 47% of the population and Hillary who is trying hard to hit the same numbers and beyond.
We now see someone who can beat this combo: Kasich.
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I don't believe that the black vote will be for Hillary . Trump will successfully deliver and ask the question, "what have Obama and the democrats done for you lately?" He'll then go into the facts on how illegal immigrants have pushed blacks into the unemployment lines, are getting better and bigger benefits than poor,U.S citizens,etc. you get the picture ? Trump will deliver a wake up call to the black Population and there is nothing Clinton could say to defend herself, the democrats or Obama.
Let us hope now that Joe Biden will reconsider making a run. He is the most qualified candidate we have from either party. I know he spoke with Elizabeth Warren before he made his decision but now both of them have to see the writing on the wall. That ticket can win the Presidency.
We need them.
We need them.
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Hillary still hasn't found her voice. It's lost out there, somewhere between the Attack Ads Belt and the Triangulation Zone. How demoralizing it must be to find that something strange (and funny) is happening (again) on the way to the once-presumed coronation.
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Regarding the range of negative comments about Bernie's NH win: hysterical, sarcastic, vitriolic, and condescending - I am stuck with one conclusion - most of these people have given up on dreaming. Positive change is not possible in their eyes. Dreaming of positive change is even worse. There's an old saying - if you think you can't do something, you're probably right.
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"...the trick is not letting these results go to their heads, or get under their skins."
Great line, which made me think maybe this is partially what our seemingly endless presidential campaigns are all about--a test of resilience and the ability to not get bogged down with short-term disappointments, and to be able to rise above the fray in order to go ahead and function with the courage of their convictions.
Petulance, which a number of these 2016 presidential candidates have displayed at times or always, does not play well & not is helpful for the citizenry and country.
Leaders lead in large part by their demeanor and ability to keep our spirits up, especially during the challenges and tough times. And there will be lots of those for our next President.
Great line, which made me think maybe this is partially what our seemingly endless presidential campaigns are all about--a test of resilience and the ability to not get bogged down with short-term disappointments, and to be able to rise above the fray in order to go ahead and function with the courage of their convictions.
Petulance, which a number of these 2016 presidential candidates have displayed at times or always, does not play well & not is helpful for the citizenry and country.
Leaders lead in large part by their demeanor and ability to keep our spirits up, especially during the challenges and tough times. And there will be lots of those for our next President.
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Everyone seems to think that the "electorate has changed", hence throwing Hillary and all the "establishment" candidates off their game. This may be true, and if so, it is more a reflection of the polarization evident in American and in Congress, and the disappearance of any middle ground, rather than some new-found voter consciousness.
We've ended up with an electorate who thinks they can "Have it their way" - as though national politics can be served up like a hamburger. Relentless hate media attacks have inflamed one side, and economic disparity the other. So here we have opposing camps of immature voters, who rush to support whoever promises them the most goodies/revenge, however unrealistic.
If Hillary can't or won't turn into a genuine, approachable person, with a convincing vision for America, we'll end up with a divided Democratic party, exhausted by her bloody and narrow nomination win.
We've ended up with an electorate who thinks they can "Have it their way" - as though national politics can be served up like a hamburger. Relentless hate media attacks have inflamed one side, and economic disparity the other. So here we have opposing camps of immature voters, who rush to support whoever promises them the most goodies/revenge, however unrealistic.
If Hillary can't or won't turn into a genuine, approachable person, with a convincing vision for America, we'll end up with a divided Democratic party, exhausted by her bloody and narrow nomination win.
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She fired the wrong people. How long will she stand by her flawed inner circle?
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The difference between Hillary and Bernie is that Hillary is telling people what she thinks they want to hear, Bernie is telling people the ugly truth they already know.
Hillary is telling people what she is going to do, Bernie is telling people what needs to be done and needs their help doing it.
Hillary is telling people what she is going to do, Bernie is telling people what needs to be done and needs their help doing it.
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My college football coach, after a particularly bad effort the team demonstrated on the field, announced that the game film represented the ultimate lesson in how not to play the game. That's my feeling about this mess called the Clinton campaign. But mainly, this poor baby simply cannot present. Somehow her team smacks of those folks who attended Mitt Romney's taped fund raiser with his very revealing sentiments about the moochers and the takers. So many folks lost so much during the Bush crisis and the Clintons can't hear the cries of anguish. They got money plugged in their ears and it causes a real bad halitosis instead of inspiration. And her yelling. Crikey! And the media frenzy. Crikey!
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I expect more from this paper. Am I to believe that after a political loss for the candidate the NY Times endorsed you are now going to act as a proxy for the candidate and engage in reassurance of her supporters? This is not journalism at this point by obvious bias.
If the opposing candidate was a clear threat to the nation I would understand the paper's bias with regard to the Democratic Party primary. I however cannot determine how one would make such a conclusion. I am then left to wonder in what way the NY Times feels threatens and what does this mean with regard to its leadership and its efforts to then influence our society.
If the opposing candidate was a clear threat to the nation I would understand the paper's bias with regard to the Democratic Party primary. I however cannot determine how one would make such a conclusion. I am then left to wonder in what way the NY Times feels threatens and what does this mean with regard to its leadership and its efforts to then influence our society.
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Is buyer's remorse settling in, NYT Editorial Board? How could you not know these three basics about Hillary?
1. At least as many, if not more, dislike her as those who like her, on a gut level. This will always be a ball and chain.
2. She does not handle struggle well, going back to the "vast right wing conspiracy" chatter of the '90s. When the pressure is on, the worst of Hillary emerges: paranoid, defensive, utterly lacking in charm. Contrast that with her husband's deftness in similar circumstances.
3. She can and will go negative when her sense of what she's entitled to is offended. In 2008, when she turned to quoting SNL parodies offering Obama an extra pillow, I knew the race was over, and it only got worse from there.
Why NYT endorsed Hillary so early is a complete mystery, but one can only suspect it was an attempt to blunt the forward advance of the Sanders campaign.
That didn't quite work, did it?
So, NYT Editorial Board, do you have the foresight to understand that Sanders is running to give America back to the people? We all know he has no chance of getting major initiatives through Congress. His eyes are on the next few elections after this one. At age 74 he is surely running for a single term. His purpose is to ignite the change this country needs.
The news and editorial treatment of the Sanders campaign has been rather obviously tilted in the direction of "he's a dreamer."
As if that's a bad thing.
1. At least as many, if not more, dislike her as those who like her, on a gut level. This will always be a ball and chain.
2. She does not handle struggle well, going back to the "vast right wing conspiracy" chatter of the '90s. When the pressure is on, the worst of Hillary emerges: paranoid, defensive, utterly lacking in charm. Contrast that with her husband's deftness in similar circumstances.
3. She can and will go negative when her sense of what she's entitled to is offended. In 2008, when she turned to quoting SNL parodies offering Obama an extra pillow, I knew the race was over, and it only got worse from there.
Why NYT endorsed Hillary so early is a complete mystery, but one can only suspect it was an attempt to blunt the forward advance of the Sanders campaign.
That didn't quite work, did it?
So, NYT Editorial Board, do you have the foresight to understand that Sanders is running to give America back to the people? We all know he has no chance of getting major initiatives through Congress. His eyes are on the next few elections after this one. At age 74 he is surely running for a single term. His purpose is to ignite the change this country needs.
The news and editorial treatment of the Sanders campaign has been rather obviously tilted in the direction of "he's a dreamer."
As if that's a bad thing.
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i can think of other dreamers ...
Jefferson, Washington, Hamilton, th Adams boys, Franklin, etc
and have a look at what they dreamed up
Jefferson, Washington, Hamilton, th Adams boys, Franklin, etc
and have a look at what they dreamed up
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I am a supporter of Bernie Sanders.
If Hillary is the Democratic Party nominee, I will vote for her on November 8, 2016, because either of Bernie or Hillary would be a far better President than any of the Republicans.
My question to all those Hillary supporters out there is this: do you plan to vote for Bernie in the general election if he gets the nomination?
Or would you rather we concede the election to the Republicans, the same way Democrats stayed home in the off year elections of 2010 and 2014 and the results were a disaster for the American people.
If Hillary is the Democratic Party nominee, I will vote for her on November 8, 2016, because either of Bernie or Hillary would be a far better President than any of the Republicans.
My question to all those Hillary supporters out there is this: do you plan to vote for Bernie in the general election if he gets the nomination?
Or would you rather we concede the election to the Republicans, the same way Democrats stayed home in the off year elections of 2010 and 2014 and the results were a disaster for the American people.
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I feel as if a blanket has been pulled off the heads of millions of previously disengaged, misinformed, or duped Americans. As Bernie Sanders delivers a very clear message explaining what we all know, that our government does not serve the majority of Americans, many are opening their eyes and listening to the political process for the first time in years, or ever. As Bernie's message resonates and his followers grow, the opposition voices in the mainstream media become increasingly shrill, misdirected, and transparent. As you see from these comments, NYT editorial board, you are fooling no one. I have so frequently turned to these pages for sanity in the dark days since 2000. Now, increasingly, I turn away. It's bad to be wrong, but it's worse to be irrelevant. Please restore some balance to your coverage of the Democratic race.
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Bernie Sanders is the name of the person who won New Hampshire. Gees when a man wins a primary could you have at least one article with his name alone in the headline? Clinton, Clinton, Clinton. She lost. Give the man his due! Would it hurt to put his name in the headlines? You might have to if he wins or will you just report on Clinton's loss all the way through the general election if he wins the nomination? How blatantly prejudiced can the media be.
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I believe that the country is ready for its first woman President. Just not Hillary, never Hillary. Surely we have at least one successful leader out there who doesn't take huge payouts of money from all the wrong people, is honest, and doesn't drag a creepy. leering husband around with her?
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What makes the Clintons think they can win the nomination, much less the election in November, by attacking Bernie Sanders? It is beyond politically tone deaf. It is sleazy and hypocritical. Memo to Hillary: keep these attacks coming and you will completely and permanently alienate Sanders supporters. Even if you get the nomination, Sander's supporters will stay home in November, or worse, vote for Trump.
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You have proven that the big media loves Hillary but as of yet you have not convinced the unwashed masses to share your love.
For me there is something that makes it hard to love Hillary as the elite do. I am not sure what it is but then again I have never found true love in politics.
For me there is something that makes it hard to love Hillary as the elite do. I am not sure what it is but then again I have never found true love in politics.
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America is filled with people who are angry and afraid. They are angry about the lack of jobs and looking for someone to blame. Establishment politicians aren't able to point out the real targets for obvious reasons. Best not bite the hand that feeds your campaign. Trump blames the dummies in Washington. Sanders blames Wall Street and the political establishment. The only people who don't want things to change are rich people and there just aren't enough of them.
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As far as the NYT worry these results will go to the candidates heads:
The Democratic Party has Super-Delegates, self appointed and self selected, representing elected officials, the party elite and the DNC. Of these Super Delegates, 99% of those already pledged are pledged to Hillary - ahead of the people voting on anything. This is a rigged game.
Who's not on the list of Super Delegates already endorsing Clinton? Elizabeth Warren.
An endorsement of Bernie would do much to erase any advantage Hillary has in billionaire and corporate donors to her PACs, efforts by the DNC elite (Debbie Wasserman Schultz etc.) to cripple Bernie's campaign and efforts by the media to marginalize Bernie Sanders, who's proven he can win.
Warren is widely admired, even idolized, by progressives.
Her help would mean everything now at this turning point in the campaign.
Here's hoping she's ready.
THAT would put pressure on Hillary.
The Democratic Party has Super-Delegates, self appointed and self selected, representing elected officials, the party elite and the DNC. Of these Super Delegates, 99% of those already pledged are pledged to Hillary - ahead of the people voting on anything. This is a rigged game.
Who's not on the list of Super Delegates already endorsing Clinton? Elizabeth Warren.
An endorsement of Bernie would do much to erase any advantage Hillary has in billionaire and corporate donors to her PACs, efforts by the DNC elite (Debbie Wasserman Schultz etc.) to cripple Bernie's campaign and efforts by the media to marginalize Bernie Sanders, who's proven he can win.
Warren is widely admired, even idolized, by progressives.
Her help would mean everything now at this turning point in the campaign.
Here's hoping she's ready.
THAT would put pressure on Hillary.
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Since the article that should be here isn't, I'm going to respond to this article in kind. When Sanders wins NH so overwhelmingly and still does not get an article on such an accomplishment and Clinton gets 2 here, the editorial board is throwing the very same temper tantrum that they accuse the republican budget committee of snubbing Obama by refusing to even meet with him.
It is clear that the Times has failed to take an accurate measure of the populace about how dissatisfied the growing lower half of the country is with the establishment that now includes the Times if this is the way the Times is going to behave.
Instead, the Times is attempting to manipulate the public by utilizing some of the very same tactics of it's declared enemy, Fox News. To refuse to cover such a noteworthy success is no different from Fox News refusing to cover the alternative dialogue to right leaning policy it covers assiduously.
What's wrong with you people? Is it that even as newspapermen not making the big bucks of other sectors in New York City you are this out of touch with now half of all New Yorkers that you did say in these pages are making less than 50K? You really need to get out more and find out how the other half lives, or rather can't live.
Shame on you NYT!
It is clear that the Times has failed to take an accurate measure of the populace about how dissatisfied the growing lower half of the country is with the establishment that now includes the Times if this is the way the Times is going to behave.
Instead, the Times is attempting to manipulate the public by utilizing some of the very same tactics of it's declared enemy, Fox News. To refuse to cover such a noteworthy success is no different from Fox News refusing to cover the alternative dialogue to right leaning policy it covers assiduously.
What's wrong with you people? Is it that even as newspapermen not making the big bucks of other sectors in New York City you are this out of touch with now half of all New Yorkers that you did say in these pages are making less than 50K? You really need to get out more and find out how the other half lives, or rather can't live.
Shame on you NYT!
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As a one time Hillary supporter, Bill Clinton's recent immoral and frothy attacks on Mr Sanders totally grossed me out. I firmly believe my president will never waver from a moral high ground. Hillary let me down again, instead of stopping her husband from attacking the candidacy of Mr Sanders shed chose to remain quiet. If she can not control the tone of her husband, how is she going to control the tone of her government?
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I think we are seeing that there are no coin flips outside Iowa.
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"New Hampshire is in fact a drop in the bucket of delegates needed to win the nominations."
That's not what you said about Iowa when Hillary eked out a victory there with questionable vote counting.
And who are these 'super delegates' who have all sided up with Hillary? What are their names? How did they get picked? I'd like to see an article investigating that.
Let me guess. I'm not going to get one.
That's not what you said about Iowa when Hillary eked out a victory there with questionable vote counting.
And who are these 'super delegates' who have all sided up with Hillary? What are their names? How did they get picked? I'd like to see an article investigating that.
Let me guess. I'm not going to get one.
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The "Superdelegates" are the Democrats elected to national offices (Senators, Congressional Representatives, the President, and the Vice-President) and the national and state party chairs and vice-chairs.
Contrary to the propaganda being pushed out by the Clinton campaign, they are *NOT* pledged delegates who are honor-bound to support her. Instead, they are politicians who can take their individual decisions at the Democratic National Convention. And being politicians who hate to land on the losing side, if Bernie continues to outperform Clinton, they will run from her to him when the time to decide arrives, just as they did in 2008.
Contrary to the propaganda being pushed out by the Clinton campaign, they are *NOT* pledged delegates who are honor-bound to support her. Instead, they are politicians who can take their individual decisions at the Democratic National Convention. And being politicians who hate to land on the losing side, if Bernie continues to outperform Clinton, they will run from her to him when the time to decide arrives, just as they did in 2008.
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An important lesson that Mrs. Clinton should learn from this first defeat is that she must not be as self-absorbed as she appears to be. A friend of mine messaged me and stated that she counted Mrs. Clinton using the pronoun "I" 50 times in her concessions speech. My friend also noted how Mr. Sanders used "we"instead. The timing of her one dollar donations idea is a patently obvious admission that she will do anything to try to stop Mr. Sanders momentum . Mrs Clinton labeling herself as the only policeman of Wall Street reminds me of a certain New York Governor whose ego was exposed for all the world to see when he fell from grace. Mrs. Clinton does not have the same personal scandals . She does recognize that the young and first-time voters will not be ignored in this campaign. This campaign is going to be a continuation of what President Obama started with "Hope and Change" . For the moment, to everyone's surprise, Mr. Sanders is the personification of that message.
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Hillary is in big trouble.
She can she won Iowa but there is considerable doubt about how that came about. Second, the Clinton campaign was hoping that they would be within single digits and she lost badly in New Hampshire. For example, using Chelsea as a attacker really backfired. It's not her nature and now that they have used that card so to speak, how can they attempt to use her any differently? It just would lack sincerity and authentencity.
Second, Hillary is trying to run a 90's campaign in 2016. The demographics have changed dramatically and the group she needs desperately, those under 30, are not voting for her
Hillary only got those who made over $250,000. Sanders got the rest. If that isn't a danger signal I don't know what it.
The biggest problem that she has to overcome and frankly I don't think she can is the fact is people don't trust her. She is boasting she is going to go after Wall Street yet if you look at her biggest contributors in 2008 many were Wall Street firms.
She made $13 million making speeches to Wall Street between 2013 and 2015 And NOW she's going to reign them in?
Her quid pro quo with firms who donated to the Foundation after she approved overseas contracts is very suspect.
The FBI released a letter that they indeed looking at her despite her denials. The fact that the board could endorse her after all that to me is ridiculous. Character, integrity, honesty and ethics must not be a standard by which the nominate a candidate. How sad
She can she won Iowa but there is considerable doubt about how that came about. Second, the Clinton campaign was hoping that they would be within single digits and she lost badly in New Hampshire. For example, using Chelsea as a attacker really backfired. It's not her nature and now that they have used that card so to speak, how can they attempt to use her any differently? It just would lack sincerity and authentencity.
Second, Hillary is trying to run a 90's campaign in 2016. The demographics have changed dramatically and the group she needs desperately, those under 30, are not voting for her
Hillary only got those who made over $250,000. Sanders got the rest. If that isn't a danger signal I don't know what it.
The biggest problem that she has to overcome and frankly I don't think she can is the fact is people don't trust her. She is boasting she is going to go after Wall Street yet if you look at her biggest contributors in 2008 many were Wall Street firms.
She made $13 million making speeches to Wall Street between 2013 and 2015 And NOW she's going to reign them in?
Her quid pro quo with firms who donated to the Foundation after she approved overseas contracts is very suspect.
The FBI released a letter that they indeed looking at her despite her denials. The fact that the board could endorse her after all that to me is ridiculous. Character, integrity, honesty and ethics must not be a standard by which the nominate a candidate. How sad
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She needs to cut the negativity out of her campaign, period.
It doesn't suit her personality.
It doesn't suit her personality.
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It has never suited her, but apparently it is a go to part of her modus operandi.
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Sanders needs to go after Trump early and often.
Sanders campaign manager was behind the Dukakis and Kerry disasters, losing to both Bushes.
In both cases, his candidates waited way too long to go after their opponents, and let the other guy define them. Dukakis as a hapless pansy, and Kerry as a French windsurfing deserter.
Bernie better get out ahead of this, or he's done.
Sanders campaign manager was behind the Dukakis and Kerry disasters, losing to both Bushes.
In both cases, his candidates waited way too long to go after their opponents, and let the other guy define them. Dukakis as a hapless pansy, and Kerry as a French windsurfing deserter.
Bernie better get out ahead of this, or he's done.
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Hillary Clinton is old news and, just like in 2008, runs a stale campaign.
Her best chance to be elected President would have been to run in 2004. But her problem that year, was that as Senator she had voted to foolishly invade Iraq in 2003. Also in 2004, Hillary and Bill, convinced John Kerry to run for President after anti-war candidate Howard Dean won the Iowa Caucus, instead of Hillary running. That resulted in another four horrible years of GW Bush.
Unlike Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders had correctly voted against invading Iraq. That is one of the many reasons that Bernie Sanders is now far more popular than the hawkish Hillary Clinton. Hillary will not be nominated in 2016, either, as she little to offer other than being the first female President.
Instead, Bernie Sanders will be the first Jewish President. I am hoping his Vice President will be the progressive Elizabeth Warren, who will go on to be our first female President.
Her best chance to be elected President would have been to run in 2004. But her problem that year, was that as Senator she had voted to foolishly invade Iraq in 2003. Also in 2004, Hillary and Bill, convinced John Kerry to run for President after anti-war candidate Howard Dean won the Iowa Caucus, instead of Hillary running. That resulted in another four horrible years of GW Bush.
Unlike Hillary Clinton, Bernie Sanders had correctly voted against invading Iraq. That is one of the many reasons that Bernie Sanders is now far more popular than the hawkish Hillary Clinton. Hillary will not be nominated in 2016, either, as she little to offer other than being the first female President.
Instead, Bernie Sanders will be the first Jewish President. I am hoping his Vice President will be the progressive Elizabeth Warren, who will go on to be our first female President.
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This vote is a rebuke to the United States Supreme Court and its decision in Citizens United. This is how the constitutional process works. The Court makes a decision. The People react. In time the Court will have to reverse Citizens United, because if it doesn't the People will.
Also, the excuse that Bernie Sanders won because he is from the neighboring state of Vermont won't fly. Look at a map. New York is on the entire western side of New Hampshire and Hillary was New York's Senator.
Also, the excuse that Bernie Sanders won because he is from the neighboring state of Vermont won't fly. Look at a map. New York is on the entire western side of New Hampshire and Hillary was New York's Senator.
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Hillary, like Obama and Bill before her, is a centrist. But there is less of a center to run to.
Those at the top and those at the bottom, for their own reasons, have little desire for a Clinton presidency. But the sad reality is that when those at the top win, those at the bottom will lose even more, and the center will shrink even further.
Don't have a job ? Well the coming right-wing provoked war will provide plenty of opportunities for employment. And that is exactly where this freak-show of an election is taking us.
Those at the top and those at the bottom, for their own reasons, have little desire for a Clinton presidency. But the sad reality is that when those at the top win, those at the bottom will lose even more, and the center will shrink even further.
Don't have a job ? Well the coming right-wing provoked war will provide plenty of opportunities for employment. And that is exactly where this freak-show of an election is taking us.
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Ladies and Gentlemen of the Editorial Board, me thinks you are rationalizing here! The most telling development of the New Hampshire evening was that when Hilary's results were announced at Trump's headquarters there was booing, while when Bernie's results were broadcast to the same audience there was silence! In other words folks, me thinks a number of the Donald's supporters are starting to feel the Bern! And perhaps, just perhaps, they are realizing that the showman and self promoter they are supporting isn't actually the way, but maybe, just maybe, this supposedly old Vermonter, by the way of southern Brooklyn ( no, not Park Slope, or Cobble Hill, but one of those legendary Flatbush Faithful!) is actually the answer to their frustrations, and the one who really has their interests at heart! Hey, whoever thought that a guy who played first fiddle to a Chimpanzee would become President of The United States?! Wait till next year?! Hey, this just might be the year! Stranger things have happened to those folks reared in Brooklyn!!!
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The reason Obama won was George W. Bush & giddy turn out. The reason HRC will win is because sane people are very very afraid of a President Trump and want the safe harbor of basic competence, knowledge, rationality.
This is not an inspirational message, idealism or a youthful blow out. It is realism. Not sexy.
This is not an inspirational message, idealism or a youthful blow out. It is realism. Not sexy.
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God save anyone who opposes the Clintons. While they call into question anyone who opposes them, they cry "conspiracy."
Zzzzzzzzzz
Zzzzzzzzzz
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Free college, free healthcare, social security that's not only fixed but supplies us all with even larger checks. I promise all of you an array of free goodies on a scale never before imagined. All you need to do is vote for me. Now tell me, who is the conventional politician here? Is it the pragmatic and tenacious champion of the underrepresented? The woman who has the discipline not to offer things she know can't be delivered, even though it may cost her the nomination? Or is it the guy who promises twenty trillion dollars worth of freebies that he knows he can't really deliver, all of it to essentially buy your support. Who is really demonstrating honesty, integrity and respect for the voter? Think about it.
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Fixing the higher education, healthcare, social security systems will save us money. That is a fact. There is so much waste in these sectors that people continue to go bankrupt over medical bills and spend decades paying off education loans. Of course it will be difficult to implement Sanders proposals. He is honest about that. Would you rather have a president that starts from a strong negotiating position or a weak one? That's how our system works. Hillary's solutions do not fix the underlying problems, so they are hardly solutions at all.
And it's not 20 Trillion in spending. Bernie gives us straightforward and honest proposals which include funding mechanisms. Take a look at his website. Unless you're making more than 150k, you'd likely be saving money.
And it's not 20 Trillion in spending. Bernie gives us straightforward and honest proposals which include funding mechanisms. Take a look at his website. Unless you're making more than 150k, you'd likely be saving money.
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It would not have mattered if Clinton had lost by 90% and all the GOP "also rans" had taken the revolutionary step of endorsing Sanders, the editorial board would have kept lobbying voters, that Clinton was the only one would stood a chance of getting elected.
Today the NY Times editorial board has revealed itself as just another bunch of corporate lobbyists working to keep the current ruling classes in power.
Today the NY Times editorial board has revealed itself as just another bunch of corporate lobbyists working to keep the current ruling classes in power.
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This retired prosecutor in Kansas is voting for Bernie Sanders. He is the only candidate amongst the dems and repubs who speaks the truth, and has the backs of the average American.
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That's what won the two votes here in our New Hampshire household as well.
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Wish I could say that's it, I'm for Bernie, but I really don't like this man. He says the same simple things over and over, like Rubio, like Reagan. As if we were too dim to get it.
When he's asked about what he WILL do, say in Afghanistan, he talks about what Hillary did 14 years ago. He says don't worry about the specifics, he has "judgement", and he'll put together a great team - like Trump says he'll do.
He does not seem to have an understanding of the world. He thinks the worst problems are IS and North Korea. He appears stubborn and has difficulty thinking on his feet. He is certainly not a global or strategic thinker.
His issues are pocketbook, local, 'me' issues - free college, free healthcare, higher wages and better benefits. Little concern about a genocidal war, about Russia, about refugees, only lip service to climate change.
I have never seen such vitriol in the NYT as here currently in the comments, and almost all of it is directed against anything critical of Bernie Sanders.
And the Clintons. The hatred aimed at them from the Left is more extreme than the what comes from the Right.
When he's asked about what he WILL do, say in Afghanistan, he talks about what Hillary did 14 years ago. He says don't worry about the specifics, he has "judgement", and he'll put together a great team - like Trump says he'll do.
He does not seem to have an understanding of the world. He thinks the worst problems are IS and North Korea. He appears stubborn and has difficulty thinking on his feet. He is certainly not a global or strategic thinker.
His issues are pocketbook, local, 'me' issues - free college, free healthcare, higher wages and better benefits. Little concern about a genocidal war, about Russia, about refugees, only lip service to climate change.
I have never seen such vitriol in the NYT as here currently in the comments, and almost all of it is directed against anything critical of Bernie Sanders.
And the Clintons. The hatred aimed at them from the Left is more extreme than the what comes from the Right.
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Reply to mg:
I don't think that the Bernie supporters are attacking the Clinton supporters so much as protesting the undisguised bias toward Clinton and against Sanders by the "mainstream"media, especially the NYT and the Washington Post. (It's expected from the Wall Street Journal.)
Not just the Times editors but their whole stable of columnists: Krugman, Blow, Bruno, Kristof, even Gail Collins. You truly do get the feeling that they are simply not allowed to say anything that could be construed as support for Bernie.
They run fluff pieces like yesterday's about Chelsea campaigning for her mom as if they were news and editorialize in news stories as if they were edits.
At this point, I fear that a major casualty of this election, no matter who wins, is the credibility and respectability of the New York Times. As an almost lifelong Times reader I'm very sad to see this.
I don't think that the Bernie supporters are attacking the Clinton supporters so much as protesting the undisguised bias toward Clinton and against Sanders by the "mainstream"media, especially the NYT and the Washington Post. (It's expected from the Wall Street Journal.)
Not just the Times editors but their whole stable of columnists: Krugman, Blow, Bruno, Kristof, even Gail Collins. You truly do get the feeling that they are simply not allowed to say anything that could be construed as support for Bernie.
They run fluff pieces like yesterday's about Chelsea campaigning for her mom as if they were news and editorialize in news stories as if they were edits.
At this point, I fear that a major casualty of this election, no matter who wins, is the credibility and respectability of the New York Times. As an almost lifelong Times reader I'm very sad to see this.
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This editorial provides further proof that the Times is heavily biased toward Hillary Clinton. How about an editorial about why Bernie won, instead of one about how Hillary should improve?
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It is interesting to look at the homepage of the NYT's tonight. Yes, the lead headline is on the results of the NH primary (just the headline, you have to click to read the article) but the three articles on the election to the left side are on Trump and Kasich and the articles on the right side are all about Clinton (although when I most recently looked, one of the Clinton articles was replaced by an article on Cruz!). Quite unbelievable that only article I could find on Bernie Sanders was how he had difficulties finding his car earlier in the day. So much for the establishment New York Times and fair reporting.
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I'm curious to know the average age of the Editorial Board of the New York Times - and if that happens to correlate with what we are seeing nationally with regards to support for Hillary Clinton.
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/opinion/editorialboard.html
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/opinion/editorialboard.html
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New Hampshire bordered Vermont back when Bernie Sanders was polling behind Hillary Clinton by double digits in New Hampshire. The states didn't move, Bernie Sanders just worked hard and effectively. I don't buy that neighboring state advantage theory.
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Hillary's baggage has become too heavy for voters to
cope with. Sanders, the purist, seems the correct
voice for these times, and a stunning contrast to
comical Trump campaign's antics and content.
cope with. Sanders, the purist, seems the correct
voice for these times, and a stunning contrast to
comical Trump campaign's antics and content.
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I wasn't for Obama until heard his speech after the Iowa caucuses. I was inspired and ended up being a contributor and supporter.
I thought Bernie killed it with his speech after the New Hampshire primary. I am still undecided between him Hillary, but I've never heard her give a speech anywhere close to as rousing as Bernie did.
Hillary is just hurting herself with petty attacks. Taking money to attend a Senatorial Campaign Committee retreat is completely alright and nothing compared to taking millions in a Super Pac or taking millions for talks to Wall Street firms and I totally don't believe she scolded them about anything.
Having women in their 80s tell young women who care that their backing Sanders is frivolous or going to get them to go to Hell is already backfiring. Having Bill attack Sanders looks just as bad as his attacks on Obama that didn't work.
If Hillary doesn't change her ways , she is going to lose again. Maybe she shoud panic.
I thought Bernie killed it with his speech after the New Hampshire primary. I am still undecided between him Hillary, but I've never heard her give a speech anywhere close to as rousing as Bernie did.
Hillary is just hurting herself with petty attacks. Taking money to attend a Senatorial Campaign Committee retreat is completely alright and nothing compared to taking millions in a Super Pac or taking millions for talks to Wall Street firms and I totally don't believe she scolded them about anything.
Having women in their 80s tell young women who care that their backing Sanders is frivolous or going to get them to go to Hell is already backfiring. Having Bill attack Sanders looks just as bad as his attacks on Obama that didn't work.
If Hillary doesn't change her ways , she is going to lose again. Maybe she shoud panic.
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I listened to Clinton's concession speech and could hear her trying to sound like Sanders. I might have believed it if she'd been taking those positions a year ago, but I don't believe it. It's just way too late for me to believe her, but I hope she'll stick to the issues and back away from the crude and stupid attacks on Sanders' integrity coming from her campaign.
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I can no longer figure out if this is the paper of record, or the paper of Hillary's broken record. Your shameless bias is an embarrassment.
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I'm thrilled about Bernie's win, but surprised the exit polls didn't cover climate change among the most important issues. I really liked Bernie's remarks on the subject at the NH Town Hall. He's clearly ahead of the game in that department.
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As always it's interesting to compare the NYT picks to the readers' picks, though the pro-Bernie response was so overwhelming even the editors couldn't entirely exclude it. You have to dig very deep into the readers' picks to get to the first two NYT picks and those support Bernie.
The Times can't get over its outrage at the primary results enough even to offer Sanders the briefest of congratulations. Their attitude isn't just that they like Clinton better, but that Sanders has no business even running. It's almost as if they think that the demographic groups that support Bernie have no right to vote. The trouble is, Sanders appears to have won with EVERY demographic.
The Times can't get over its outrage at the primary results enough even to offer Sanders the briefest of congratulations. Their attitude isn't just that they like Clinton better, but that Sanders has no business even running. It's almost as if they think that the demographic groups that support Bernie have no right to vote. The trouble is, Sanders appears to have won with EVERY demographic.
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Bernie shares this with pinhead, Marco Rubio, no accomplishments, but Bernie has had 30 more years to accomplish nothing.
Bernie is of course better on policy than Hillary like Hillary was far better than mainstream Obama in 2008 but having never accomplished anything after 74 years, I would be very reluctant to put the eggs in the Bernie basket.
As for all the donations from the public, I don't draw cosmic conclusions - think Jerry Falwell, Joel Osteen, innumerable Evangelicans, miscellaneous con artists, all excel in small donations.
Doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
And, BTW, where was Bernie in the great civil rights struggles in the 1960s, on Vietnam, in 1968, in 1972? In 1972, a very young Hillary was organizing for George McGovern in most inhospitable Texas. This woman has lived a very honorable, passionate life.
The way she's being rubbished even in the OpEds of the NYT is despicable.
Bernie is of course better on policy than Hillary like Hillary was far better than mainstream Obama in 2008 but having never accomplished anything after 74 years, I would be very reluctant to put the eggs in the Bernie basket.
As for all the donations from the public, I don't draw cosmic conclusions - think Jerry Falwell, Joel Osteen, innumerable Evangelicans, miscellaneous con artists, all excel in small donations.
Doesn't amount to a hill of beans.
And, BTW, where was Bernie in the great civil rights struggles in the 1960s, on Vietnam, in 1968, in 1972? In 1972, a very young Hillary was organizing for George McGovern in most inhospitable Texas. This woman has lived a very honorable, passionate life.
The way she's being rubbished even in the OpEds of the NYT is despicable.
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If Hillary Clinton had won big in New Hampshire tonight, I'm virtually certain that you wouldn't have seen the phrase "a drop in the bucket of delegates needed to win" in this editorial.
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Attention Democrats: Don't blow this like we blew it for Gore. If the GOP wins the White House, we have no one to blame but ourselves. There is just too much at stake besides the banking industry.
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Where's Bloomberg? I thought he said if Sanders and Trump won in New Hampshire he would enter the race.
A discussion of strategy tells you nothing of why a candidate did well or not. There needs to be some exploration of the relevance of the content of a candidate's message and why this reaches the voters. I would love to hear this from the New York Times rather than biased commentary.
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Hillary's campaign was expecting a loss in New Hamphire from the very beginning as she acknowledges it in her interviews with the press. New Hampshire is Sanders's neighboring state so of course he will have a "home-field" advantage since many people are familiar with him.
I find it interesting how the press is spinning this as though the Clinton camp wasn't expecting a loss. Really media? Hillary has done this before so of course she knows she is not going to win ALL of the states. The game is to have the most delegates, that is the priority of winning the Democratic nomination.
I find it interesting how the press is spinning this as though the Clinton camp wasn't expecting a loss. Really media? Hillary has done this before so of course she knows she is not going to win ALL of the states. The game is to have the most delegates, that is the priority of winning the Democratic nomination.
Watching the speeches after the winners had been called was certainly educational. Trump had nothing, and looked at times like he was waiting for his lines to be delivered on an index card. Sanders repeated the same statements he's built his campaign upon.
Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, delivered the speech of a lifetime, apparently without referring to any notes at all. She once again laid out why she was running, peppered her speech with specifics and solutions that no other candidate attempted, and undoubtedly made some New Hampshire primary voters second-guess their first choices. She was smart, realistic, positive and rousing. And she won my vote.
Hillary Clinton, on the other hand, delivered the speech of a lifetime, apparently without referring to any notes at all. She once again laid out why she was running, peppered her speech with specifics and solutions that no other candidate attempted, and undoubtedly made some New Hampshire primary voters second-guess their first choices. She was smart, realistic, positive and rousing. And she won my vote.
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She was using a teleprompter!
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I didn't see one. But if she did use a teleprompter, she did it skillfully.
Mr. Sanders offers middle class benefits and wins middle class votes. Hillary should make the tax costs of these benefits loud and clear. Sanders admits some of these costs and unrealistically suggests that most of the others will be borne by the filthy rich. Sanders wants to double the budget, which means doubling taxes. Many of Sanders supporters expect something for nothing. If Hillary bears down on the tax costs of socialism, Sanders will fade into oblivion.
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For too long now the estanblished Democratic powers have steered a liberal base to the right with the mantra of 'electability' and we've ended up with the same old thing. Clearly, more and more of us are tired of it. We see in Sanders a person of real convictions, taking the high road while willing to confront unpleasant truths about the nature of our political process and how its been hijacked by money. In Clinton we see the usual dynastic entitlement that's gotten us here: claiming the mantle of liberalism while shovelling corporate cash into her pockets at every opportunity. We see it, and we're not as stupid as the establishment assumes we are.
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I have one and only one objective for 2016, to keep the GOP out of the White House. That is, to maintain the remaining small toe-hold on our gov't that the liberals still have and fix the SCOTUS. I don't care if it's Hillary, Bernie or Pee-wee Herman that wins for the Dems.
But we are caught in the whirlwind of dangerous and false optimism of the young, not yet experienced adults, still children in many ways. As Norman O. Brown wrote, "The wisdom of folly is the wisdom of childhood." Basically no accountability. Unfortunately there will be accountability here should the GOP take the WH, and it will be draconian.
Bernie cannot and will not win a general election in the U.S.A.. As Tertullian said, "It is certain because it is impossible."
If she doesn't start to win some primaries now that we are out of these two ridiculous states, the elders in the Dem party are going to have to step in. The only liberal political strategists that believe Bernie can win the general and the WH are on his payroll. In philosophy and science, we call this a subjective not an objective thought, sort of like believing in Santa Claus. It feels good but don't wait up for him.
The press just wants to cover the folly; they were beside themselves when it was thought she'd run unopposed.
Wake up!
I have one and only one objective for 2016, to keep the GOP out of the White House. That is, to maintain the remaining small toe-hold on our gov't that the liberals still have and fix the SCOTUS. I don't care if it's Hillary, Bernie or Pee-wee Herman that wins for the Dems.
But we are caught in the whirlwind of dangerous and false optimism of the young, not yet experienced adults, still children in many ways. As Norman O. Brown wrote, "The wisdom of folly is the wisdom of childhood." Basically no accountability. Unfortunately there will be accountability here should the GOP take the WH, and it will be draconian.
Bernie cannot and will not win a general election in the U.S.A.. As Tertullian said, "It is certain because it is impossible."
If she doesn't start to win some primaries now that we are out of these two ridiculous states, the elders in the Dem party are going to have to step in. The only liberal political strategists that believe Bernie can win the general and the WH are on his payroll. In philosophy and science, we call this a subjective not an objective thought, sort of like believing in Santa Claus. It feels good but don't wait up for him.
The press just wants to cover the folly; they were beside themselves when it was thought she'd run unopposed.
Wake up!
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I think Hillary and Bill Clinton pretty much hit bottom when they involed Henry Kissinger and touted the fact that he complimented Hillary on her performance as Secy of State.
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All Clinton has to do to regain voters' trust is to return to Goldman Sachs and the other banks the speaking fees.
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and travel back in time and undo her lazy vote on Iraq, and her secret server
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In any democracy, a politician whose 'trust' score is in single figures shouldn't even be in government, never mind pitching for the top job.
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Hillary has the best resume of all the candidates except for trust, integrity and leadership skills.
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The attribution that Bernie won NH because of its proximity to VT only bolsters his trust factor - NH voters sent a strong message of endorsement of a candidate with whom they are intimately familiar to the US at large.
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Tone-deaf editorial, NYT. You endorsed, she lost. She really, really lost. Bill Clinton's appearance certainly didn't help. I had just about forgotten about that guy, and then there he is, slinging his own version of mud.
Sure, both Iowa and New Hampshire are fairly homogenous demographically, but both pundits and candidates should wake to the existence of outliers -- on this very planet. (No need to go to Mars.) I'm a WAS(no "P"), a secular humanist and feminist of a certain age. Having been under the thumb of the white-guy establishment for most of my working life, I'm no in no mood now to have bible-thumpers and women even older than I cram their values down my throat.
Think I'll take a little break now, get a preview of that "special place in Hell." Is it full of politicians?
Sure, both Iowa and New Hampshire are fairly homogenous demographically, but both pundits and candidates should wake to the existence of outliers -- on this very planet. (No need to go to Mars.) I'm a WAS(no "P"), a secular humanist and feminist of a certain age. Having been under the thumb of the white-guy establishment for most of my working life, I'm no in no mood now to have bible-thumpers and women even older than I cram their values down my throat.
Think I'll take a little break now, get a preview of that "special place in Hell." Is it full of politicians?
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Enough with liberalism; it has failed us. Band-aid measures over the past eight years, regardless of the explanations, have proven insufficient for the middle class in America, and woeful for all but the .01%, the top 62 people who now own, basically, all the wealth in the world.
Sorry, Davos.
Sorry, Hillary. Nothing personal, but you represent the continuation of eight years of disillusion with the promises of hope and change that led to, well, nothing more than the usual, "well, at least it wasn't worse."
It's not enough.
We're not going to take it any more. We're fed up. We've had it.
Time to blast change through the world, to take chances, to go in a radically new direction, whatever it is.
Because this.... more of the same... I'll Give You a Dollar to Stay Quiet Just a Little Longer... is no longer enough.
We want real change; big change; sweeping change.
Not small change.
Sorry, Davos.
Sorry, Hillary. Nothing personal, but you represent the continuation of eight years of disillusion with the promises of hope and change that led to, well, nothing more than the usual, "well, at least it wasn't worse."
It's not enough.
We're not going to take it any more. We're fed up. We've had it.
Time to blast change through the world, to take chances, to go in a radically new direction, whatever it is.
Because this.... more of the same... I'll Give You a Dollar to Stay Quiet Just a Little Longer... is no longer enough.
We want real change; big change; sweeping change.
Not small change.
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We notice the double standard, NY Times.
This was a 20+ point shellacking in a state Hillary won convincingly in 2008. Bernie ate her lunch in multiple demographics, including moderates and blue collar workers.
Respectfully, I implore you to report was is actually happening and refrain from giving color and context when that "context" is half-baked conventional wisdom, out-dated polls and the usual horse race "journalism."
Maybe put some real energy into trying to uncover the source of the shockingly large generation gap. Now that's a story, because this isn't about Bernie Sanders. Most of us are in the Sanders camp by way of Elizabeth Warren. I believe this is a real grass-roots movement for change, led by young people.
This was a 20+ point shellacking in a state Hillary won convincingly in 2008. Bernie ate her lunch in multiple demographics, including moderates and blue collar workers.
Respectfully, I implore you to report was is actually happening and refrain from giving color and context when that "context" is half-baked conventional wisdom, out-dated polls and the usual horse race "journalism."
Maybe put some real energy into trying to uncover the source of the shockingly large generation gap. Now that's a story, because this isn't about Bernie Sanders. Most of us are in the Sanders camp by way of Elizabeth Warren. I believe this is a real grass-roots movement for change, led by young people.
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The front page headlines say it all. First line is that Trump and Sanders win. Next all the articles are about clown party, nothing about the Democratic party. And in the editorial it's a keep your chin up and stay focused cheer lead for Hillary. The NY Times is eating crow.
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The Anointed One looks a little disjointed.
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Only the election of Bernie Sanders will ignite a truly democratic revolution that will sweep in a Democratic congress and bring the changes we need. A President Hillary Clinton will only serve to continue the divisiveness that she only inflames. Her claim of knowing how to work in the system is utter nonsense, and everyone knows it. She inspires no one. Her time was over when she voted for the Iraq war. The coming viciousness of the the Clinton campaign will only make Bernie appear more trustworthy. The NY Times is currently on the wrong side of history.
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Here is something Clinton should be concerned about: the tapes of her speeches to Wall Street banks may surface, and it could happen at anytime.
http://investmentwatchblog.com/where-are-the-audio-and-video-tapes-of-hi...
http://investmentwatchblog.com/where-are-the-audio-and-video-tapes-of-hi...
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The progressive liberal Marxist Democrats have the most pathetic candidates, agenda and party. What an embarrassment to this nation. The founders of the USA are rolling in their graves. Pathetic. Stupid. As if "democratic socialism" is something different than Marxism. How can so many be so stupid?
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Just looking at your exit poll results. It seems it was not just young women who gave Bernie Sanders a convincing victory, but women under age 65 plus men.
And far the editorial board's apparent opinion that independents would not support Sanders, your exit polls show independents overwhelmingly prefer him too.
And far the editorial board's apparent opinion that independents would not support Sanders, your exit polls show independents overwhelmingly prefer him too.
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I am heart sick and disappointed in the quality of political analysis, lopsided reporting and poor writing in the New York Times during this important election. What was this so called "editorial"? It was about as exciting as analysis of Mr. Clinton's grocery lists; or, from the sound of it, as insightful and as boring as Mrs. Clinton's speeches to Goldman Sachs. Are you just calling it in? Asleep at the wheel?
I am searching the media for good writing and analysis for this political year. I will take recommendations!
The New York Times has been my gold standard for reviews, for reporting, for analysis of everything from sports to theater. Where is that GREAT NEWSPAPER with a long tradition? Where?
I won't be sad if Bernie ends his campaign because he has made a difference in our culture already. He has sent a beam of light into the darkness, into the country of inequality, into the country known for its violence rather than for its health care and education.
New York Times where are you? Where is your heart and mind and most importantly, where is your soul, New York Times? I want passion, accurate information about everything and everyone--not just your candidate. I want inspired great writing. I want you to seek out information about all candidates in an even way. Who can I turn to if not the New York Times?
I am searching the media for good writing and analysis for this political year. I will take recommendations!
The New York Times has been my gold standard for reviews, for reporting, for analysis of everything from sports to theater. Where is that GREAT NEWSPAPER with a long tradition? Where?
I won't be sad if Bernie ends his campaign because he has made a difference in our culture already. He has sent a beam of light into the darkness, into the country of inequality, into the country known for its violence rather than for its health care and education.
New York Times where are you? Where is your heart and mind and most importantly, where is your soul, New York Times? I want passion, accurate information about everything and everyone--not just your candidate. I want inspired great writing. I want you to seek out information about all candidates in an even way. Who can I turn to if not the New York Times?
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It’s important not to lose sight of what we're all looking for. Namely good government. Hillary isn't a magic elixir salesman. She's selling proven remedies that got us 8 years of peace and prosperity. I hope she stays on that message even as her opponent had to fall back on the Goldman Sachs smear to put him ahead. And, instead of attacking him and his followers in kind, which would be bad for her campaign as well as her party, she should just present her arguments and let the chips fall where they may. The fact that the GOP candidates got 290,000 voters while the Dems only got 230,00, in an election where any voter could go with either party, ought to be a wake up call that this is going to be a lot harder for the Dems than any Bernie supporter can possibly believe. The GOP can't use the Goldman Sachs deal against Hillary because Kasich didn't just give a speech to that bank, he worked at Lehman Brothers until it went bankrupt starting the financial panic. So Bernie and his supporters are going to have to work very very hard to win over an American middle class that fell for the Reagan "revolution". With something more than Goldman Sachs for people who lean right and more than hope against Trump's Reagan Democrats IMO..
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Trump doing well says tons about the problems this country faces.
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Hillary is now parroting Sanders' words as she attempts to recast herself as a progressive. Don't give into the Clinton's cynicism, they sold out a long time ago. We want to step upward from President Obama's accomplishments, not downward.
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The NY Times establishment message continues: it's all about Hillary and the Clintons. "Bernie Sanders defeated Hillary Clinton in a state where he has long held an advantage" - NY Times today. That advantage was not more than twenty percentage points - that's a landslide, and it's time that the Times acknowledges it and gave Sanders his due. And it wasn't just the cranky discontents; it included the young and women who wouldn't swallow the tone-deaf messages that Hillary and her cast of advisors are putting out.
Politics as usual is having a terrible time, and that's great for all of us. There are two people speaking the truth and working for all us rather than the upper 1%, and that's Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Maybe some day the establishment, and that includes the NY Times, will understand that, but more likely it will not. That's the Sanders revolution, and unfortunately it still has a long way to go.
Politics as usual is having a terrible time, and that's great for all of us. There are two people speaking the truth and working for all us rather than the upper 1%, and that's Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Warren. Maybe some day the establishment, and that includes the NY Times, will understand that, but more likely it will not. That's the Sanders revolution, and unfortunately it still has a long way to go.
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It would seem that the Clinton bromide is not working to well. It has lost its fizz. Bankrupt as it is of new ideas or a bright future, but not money, it dwells in the media echo chamber where one can find lots of suggestions but little else in the way of reality. The media listens to itself and not the persistent chant from the people. Same old... same old. Enough is ... enough. Thank you. Go Bernie
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Earth to Editorial Board: Have you noticed yet how your prognostications on Clinton's campaign have been a tad on the optimistic side?
Have your eyes not wandered through comments, your head at times nodding? Your lips moving as in "Well, that makes sense..."
Have you ever taken a hard look at the Clinton Gravy Train and seen the fork sticking out?
Isn't it better to find out Hillary can't win before we bet the country on it?
Besides, what's not to like about Bernie Sanders? (Okay, he could be younger and not have that socialist tag)..But he's indisputably a straight shooter; has always represented ordinary people; and is driven by what needs to be done, not glory.
Frankly, I find so much to like in his resume: Captain of track team -- that shows guts. Poly Sci U of Chicago -- that shows brains. Sat in segregated lunch counters -- that shows instincts and commitment. Against Vietnam and Iraq wars -- that shows judgment and guts. Saw through Nafta and Wall Street deregulation -- that shows perception.
Don't tell me the best candidate for president in America can't win.
Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower and JFK would all disagree.
America has been saved in the past by progressive populists who were midcourse corrections. So here we've got one from your city with brains and courage. When are you going to show some faith in your readers's judgment?
You know, your paper helped inform us.
Have your eyes not wandered through comments, your head at times nodding? Your lips moving as in "Well, that makes sense..."
Have you ever taken a hard look at the Clinton Gravy Train and seen the fork sticking out?
Isn't it better to find out Hillary can't win before we bet the country on it?
Besides, what's not to like about Bernie Sanders? (Okay, he could be younger and not have that socialist tag)..But he's indisputably a straight shooter; has always represented ordinary people; and is driven by what needs to be done, not glory.
Frankly, I find so much to like in his resume: Captain of track team -- that shows guts. Poly Sci U of Chicago -- that shows brains. Sat in segregated lunch counters -- that shows instincts and commitment. Against Vietnam and Iraq wars -- that shows judgment and guts. Saw through Nafta and Wall Street deregulation -- that shows perception.
Don't tell me the best candidate for president in America can't win.
Theodore Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, Truman, Eisenhower and JFK would all disagree.
America has been saved in the past by progressive populists who were midcourse corrections. So here we've got one from your city with brains and courage. When are you going to show some faith in your readers's judgment?
You know, your paper helped inform us.
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If "New Hampshire is in fact a drop in the bucket of delegates (...)" and "Mrs. Clinton knew she was going to lose the first primary, but she had no reason to panic since she remains well ahead in the next few contests," can the Editorial Board explain why did Bill Clinton try to smudge Mr. Sanders very much á la Republican? I am no Editorial board member, but I think Mrs. Clinton has plenty of reasons to panic.
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Hillary Clinton is a fine candidate. The idea that this is simply an ego trip for her does not ring true to me. And the fact that the Democratic Party supports her is not at all a negative for me. That Bernie Sanders is doing so well against Hillary indicates that he is pretty darn good. The NH result is a strong accomplishment for him and his staff.
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Unfortunately, the Times editorial continues to push a pro-Clinton/anti-Sanders interpretation of the campaign.
When Clinton won Iowa by coin tosses, the Times pushed the victory. Now that Sanders has won New Hampshire by a rout (the Times' word), the Times dismisses the results.
There is nothing wrong with a newspaper favoring one candidate over another. There is a problem when its news columns and its editorials misrepresent the factual outcomes of elections.
When Clinton won Iowa by coin tosses, the Times pushed the victory. Now that Sanders has won New Hampshire by a rout (the Times' word), the Times dismisses the results.
There is nothing wrong with a newspaper favoring one candidate over another. There is a problem when its news columns and its editorials misrepresent the factual outcomes of elections.
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Oh wow - this editorial has almost put the final nail in the coffin of my equivocation about ending my subscription to the NYT; for a long time I have hung on here in the hope that the reporting and opinion pieces about Bernie Sanders would at least become fairer. Even after tonight's resounding victory in NH, the NYT still dismisses his win as a near state advantage, even though Clinton was leading here by 40 points some months ago, and quotes the despicable David Brock - a former Repuboican taunter of Hillary Clinton - as though he has any credibility on this issue or any other. The only reason I am keeping my subscription for the time being is to submit to and read the comments section, where sanity prevails. Other than that, I am sorry to say that the current version of the NYT is nothing like the old one; it is now part of a corporate owned and sponsored media chain that spins the truth in an effort to shape readers' opinion. How very sad.
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Wow.
As a remote observer, what strikes me about all these comments, apart from the few obligatory exhortations to support HRC from the gals (and more than enough in return dismissing her as toxic), is that they pretty much ALL seem to me to be about Bernie Sanders: either why he's the new and long-overdue messiah, or why he cannot possibly succeed. Either way, HE is who all the chatter seems to be about.
Is there a pattern developing here?
As a remote observer, what strikes me about all these comments, apart from the few obligatory exhortations to support HRC from the gals (and more than enough in return dismissing her as toxic), is that they pretty much ALL seem to me to be about Bernie Sanders: either why he's the new and long-overdue messiah, or why he cannot possibly succeed. Either way, HE is who all the chatter seems to be about.
Is there a pattern developing here?
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Not wanting to be too presumptuous, but this “Editorial” isn’t one. Mostly more of the pat blather on our seemingly interminable slog to the nominations and then election day.
Of note, but not mentioned was the take down of Marco for scripted re-run-i-tis by the really big man from NJ, as both then finished dead last on the GOP side. Rubio swears he will never, never stumble into auto-loop again.
I did like the twist on the “May the force be with you.” and Hillary flirting with the dark side. Seems her light saber has a fundamentally faulty circuit board.
Of note, but not mentioned was the take down of Marco for scripted re-run-i-tis by the really big man from NJ, as both then finished dead last on the GOP side. Rubio swears he will never, never stumble into auto-loop again.
I did like the twist on the “May the force be with you.” and Hillary flirting with the dark side. Seems her light saber has a fundamentally faulty circuit board.
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Hillarys foreign policy has been a total disaster, support for Iraq war, support for Muslim brotherhood in Egypt, support to overthrow Gaddafi in Lybia, support of the so called "moderate" terrorists to overthrow Assad in Syria, so on. We do not a person with such terrible experience!
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Perhaps the majority of voters are voting against political money machines - PAC's... Perhaps their opinion is that the Citizens United decision was unfortunate for "we the voter," but that "we the voter" can rectify that unfortunate decision by eliminating from the running the PAC's and their chosen candidates. Wouldn't that be nice....? (I wonder if John Roberts considered that possibility in making his CU decision.)
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A big Clinton loss? A "rout" was used in the first headline I saw. The Sanders win was clear enough, but this editorial shows that the New York Times cannot accept it -
In their grief and disarray, the editors are working through "denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance" - and are not making much sense as they stumble along;. The honest Senator from Brooklyn appeals, and the less honest NYT candidate-in-waiting fares badly. Maybe this democracy thing works after all?
PLEASE, dear NYT, just move on to acceptance - of the truth that is so inconvenient for you, that many of us, us the people, think that Bernie and Bernie's objectives are what America needs now -
In their grief and disarray, the editors are working through "denial, anger, bargaining, depression, acceptance" - and are not making much sense as they stumble along;. The honest Senator from Brooklyn appeals, and the less honest NYT candidate-in-waiting fares badly. Maybe this democracy thing works after all?
PLEASE, dear NYT, just move on to acceptance - of the truth that is so inconvenient for you, that many of us, us the people, think that Bernie and Bernie's objectives are what America needs now -
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Hillary Clinton has had eight years to figure out what she did wrong in the last presidential primary and correct it.
You think she'll do better in the next eight weeks?
You can change slogans but you can't change your DNA.
You think she'll do better in the next eight weeks?
You can change slogans but you can't change your DNA.
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I want to take all the candidates out of the equation, just for a moment, and consider the current political landscape from a different perspective... My parents, and millions of others like them, endured, in their formative years, The Great Depression, and the Second World War. They watched diseases like Polio shatter families, scattering surviving members to the four corners of the wind for want of some form of social safety net. Out of that hardship the whole of their generation came to know the vulnerability we all face before such overwhelming forces. As a consequence, they learned to consider THE NEEDS OF OTHERS! They committed themselves to ensuring their children would never know such hardship. Through FDR, that commitment became a reality. Healthcare, social security, accessible education are reflections of that. And so what did their children, my generation, those currently in positions of power and authority, the most buffered and pampered generation to have existed, do with that inheritance? We learned to think of OURSELVES ABOVE ALL ELSE! That explains the current political abomination/state of the union/corruption and gross inequality that is the legacy we hope to bequeath to millennials. My generation is an utter, dismal failure in that regard. That millennials flock to Sanders' ideals reflects something. Whatever that is, in the eyes of that generation who bequeathed mine such privilege, who would they see as the rightful inheritors of their life's efforts?
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I have NO hostility to Hillary.
I am grateful for her lifetime's work in government.
I do not begrudge her -nor her husband's latter day wealth.
I would like to see a woman achieve the Presidency.
I am angry FIRST at many fellow Americans who've not paid attention opting for news of the Kardashians instead of the Koch brothers and ALEC...
Running in SECOND place, my disgust with the abettance of the media and the complicity of the NYT-one of the last bastions of truth-telling-in defaulting to hyped conventional wisdom in all of its fallacies and lies. Bernie being addressed as a cartoonish impossibility-tilting at windmills.
So Hillary's pivot left...her soon to be seen intensified championing of the rest of us, has come too little and too late.
We finally do have to be taken seriously...Hillary's "time" has come and gone.
I am grateful for her lifetime's work in government.
I do not begrudge her -nor her husband's latter day wealth.
I would like to see a woman achieve the Presidency.
I am angry FIRST at many fellow Americans who've not paid attention opting for news of the Kardashians instead of the Koch brothers and ALEC...
Running in SECOND place, my disgust with the abettance of the media and the complicity of the NYT-one of the last bastions of truth-telling-in defaulting to hyped conventional wisdom in all of its fallacies and lies. Bernie being addressed as a cartoonish impossibility-tilting at windmills.
So Hillary's pivot left...her soon to be seen intensified championing of the rest of us, has come too little and too late.
We finally do have to be taken seriously...Hillary's "time" has come and gone.
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Lifetime work in government-- first as a corporate lawyer while serving as first lady in Arkansas, then as First Lady, then as a carpet bagging senator from NY (why couldn't they go back to AK? Banks not big enough there? ) then APPOINTED not elected Sec.of State -- and how well did that go? (fights with Joe Biden over policy. then she rested up to prepare for a campaign.. where surprise someone else a bit older than she and Male and handsome decided to run... and polite and circumspect. If Hillary wants to win, she had better learn to listen.. and draw people to her rather than shouting at them.
"..Mr. Bush, cornered on his way to a polling place.." Wait a minute. Isn't campaigning at a polling place prohibited?
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In the past when we Americans set big goals (putting a man on the moon, high school for all, the interstate highway system, social security, etc) there were always naysayers. BUT WE REACHED THOSE GOALS AND WERE A BETTER COUNTRY FOR IT! Those are democratic values. Somehow the establishment Democrats have been hijacked by big business, money, whatever. We have reached the point where our people are sliding backwards. The status quo must go if we are ever to recover. Small steps are not enough. Hillary and Bill have been on the national stage while we were going backward. We need a huge change. The only candidate promising that is Bernie Sanders. Editors of the New York Times, when did you lose your democratic values? This is/was the greatest country ever on the face of the earth. We reach BIG!!!
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I would like to offer congratulations to Bernie and his supporters tonight. Although I was rooting for Hillary, I am happy for them. Many have worked hard and deserve kudos!
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This sounds suspiciously like an "oh, don't mind the facts, we know Hillary will be nominated" attempt to ignore reality. The editorial board's absurdly premature endorsement just might leave The Times looking foolish -- which is exactly how it looks right now.
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Bernie Sanders would be terribleness for this great country.
Socialism is a myth. Read the history of socialism. We need to review closely the myths of Scandinavian countries. I have experienced the quality of life in this great country and also Europe and I chose America everyday!
Go Hillary….no socialism for me!!
Socialism is a myth. Read the history of socialism. We need to review closely the myths of Scandinavian countries. I have experienced the quality of life in this great country and also Europe and I chose America everyday!
Go Hillary….no socialism for me!!
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Scandinavian countries are not mythical; they demonstrably exist. So does socialism. (So does syntax.)
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im sure th people in australia, nz, germany, sweden, norway, finland france th uk and other countries more successful than th usa would be interested to heasr you expound on this
you have ZERO idea of what socialism is, youre blowing smoke
you have ZERO idea of what socialism is, youre blowing smoke
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Instead of headlining with an article or opinion about how Bernie Sanders has gained momentum and surpassed Clinton and there should be optimism for the people's choice - what I see on the front page of the Times (again) are articles expressing their support (just through airtime) for Hillary Clinton. What gives NYT? Hillary and the rest of the establishment, the Times included should definitely let this defeat (and major victory) get to their heads.
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With the Asian stock markets collapsing; enough political instability and economic stress to insure multiple break-outs of war, terrorism and conflict throughout the Middle East and Africa; with Europe at the end of the road it's been kicking the can down for the past eight years; with South America and Australia in freefall with the collapse of commodity prices; the GOP political response is, in essence, this:
http://www.fantasticforum.com/gallery3/var/albums/Squidinks-Graphics/hea...
Watch that for awhile; it tells you all about Republican policy with regard to the future you need to know.
Meanwhile, Clinton's biggest challenge, given the perceptions, fair or not, of her trustworthiness, her incrementalism, her desire to perpetuate the nearly-invisible hope and change Obama promised us for the past eight years, her lip-service to minority communities who are the anvil upon which the Congressional sledgehammer has fallen not just the past eight years..... will be to avoid going negative on Bernie.
Her husband Bill, the big dope, as usual didn't do her any favors with his attacks. Her campaign managers may not have the patience and perspective they need to avoid succumbing to their worst impulses. The minute they do so, though, they confirm everything people who Worry About Hillary suspect.
It's up to Ms. Clinton herself to maintain a sense of character, competence, command, experience in the face of all odds. Her strengths matter. The rest doesn't.
http://www.fantasticforum.com/gallery3/var/albums/Squidinks-Graphics/hea...
Watch that for awhile; it tells you all about Republican policy with regard to the future you need to know.
Meanwhile, Clinton's biggest challenge, given the perceptions, fair or not, of her trustworthiness, her incrementalism, her desire to perpetuate the nearly-invisible hope and change Obama promised us for the past eight years, her lip-service to minority communities who are the anvil upon which the Congressional sledgehammer has fallen not just the past eight years..... will be to avoid going negative on Bernie.
Her husband Bill, the big dope, as usual didn't do her any favors with his attacks. Her campaign managers may not have the patience and perspective they need to avoid succumbing to their worst impulses. The minute they do so, though, they confirm everything people who Worry About Hillary suspect.
It's up to Ms. Clinton herself to maintain a sense of character, competence, command, experience in the face of all odds. Her strengths matter. The rest doesn't.
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It is hard to maintain a sense of character when you don't have one.
The Clinton mantra - "Me! First, Last & Always."
The Clinton mantra - "Me! First, Last & Always."
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I believe that we saw an interesting phenomenon in NH: moderate, progressive, Keynesian, socially liberal voters, most of whom would be Hillary supporters, re-registered as Republican for this primary in order to try to stop the insanity there. They just wanted a chance to put the brakes on the insanity. They then voted for the most reasonable candidate on that roster, Kasich, but that left Hillary with a much lower vote count than she deserved. This sort of phenomenon remains the potential consequence of a Bloomberg candidacy.
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It will be interesting to see when the media begins to realize that this election is actually about the voters, and not about any specific candidate or any particular strategy. For now, the coverage is all about Hillary, and all in reference to her candidacy. But, as the results come in, it will become apparent that it is actually about the voters and their real life experiences with economic, social and personal issues. Bernie Sanders understands this on a profound level. When will the media catch up?
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Socialist democracy is the only genuine democratic system."Democratic capitalism" is an Oxymoron.The motivating force of Capitalism is Profits,worse greedy short-term profits in whichCEOs can collect hefty yearly bonuses every year-end; people are only the means to achieve the end,the end being profits often accrued by acts of social irresponsibility or social sensibility;Whereas,democracy works for the people,its people-centric.Profits are the means for achieveing the end which is social well being and happiness and individual and social welfare.
Capitalsitic democracy helps wealth-accumulation in the hands of the few because of unregulated capitalism,the product of free-market economy with minimum government control.It is because the laws of the land,de-facto written by the vested interests and passed in the pre-paid and bought congress, permits privatisation of profits (= major portion of profits shared by the few equity investors and a few preferential share holders with ordinary share holders offered only the "trickle downs" ) and publicalisation of losses coercing the government to BAIL out the losers with public money.
This combined with discriminating taxation policies favoring the rich and the mega rich without them not investing profits into creating manufacturing facilities and thereby jobs which are the means of livelihood of the common men and women results in vast insufferable income inequality against which Sanders is born to fight along with the people.
Capitalsitic democracy helps wealth-accumulation in the hands of the few because of unregulated capitalism,the product of free-market economy with minimum government control.It is because the laws of the land,de-facto written by the vested interests and passed in the pre-paid and bought congress, permits privatisation of profits (= major portion of profits shared by the few equity investors and a few preferential share holders with ordinary share holders offered only the "trickle downs" ) and publicalisation of losses coercing the government to BAIL out the losers with public money.
This combined with discriminating taxation policies favoring the rich and the mega rich without them not investing profits into creating manufacturing facilities and thereby jobs which are the means of livelihood of the common men and women results in vast insufferable income inequality against which Sanders is born to fight along with the people.
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If Hilary wins the nomination she will lose the general election to Donald Trump. He will come off as a tenacious populist and she will come off, like she always does, as a status quo centrist.
When Hillary defended herself about getting paid $675,000 (10 years of my salary) to speak to Goldman Sachs three times, she deftly defended the eternal, domineering reality of Goldman Sachs while claiming to be willing to fight them as President. This is what she was paid to do, pretend to fight for the regular people while keeping the status quo firmly in place.
Later in the year when Hillary adjusts to be more down to earth it will seem hollow compared to Donald's "authenticity". I am not sure how Hillary manages to do this but it is part of her political make up that makes her so vulnerable to more "charming" candidates.
The USA is ready for a woman president and her name is Elizabeth Warren.
When Hillary defended herself about getting paid $675,000 (10 years of my salary) to speak to Goldman Sachs three times, she deftly defended the eternal, domineering reality of Goldman Sachs while claiming to be willing to fight them as President. This is what she was paid to do, pretend to fight for the regular people while keeping the status quo firmly in place.
Later in the year when Hillary adjusts to be more down to earth it will seem hollow compared to Donald's "authenticity". I am not sure how Hillary manages to do this but it is part of her political make up that makes her so vulnerable to more "charming" candidates.
The USA is ready for a woman president and her name is Elizabeth Warren.
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I live 3000 west of NH. But, I recall seeing Bernie campaign signs up in the neighborhood six months ago and thinking how polite it was of Hillary to not start her campaign too early. About that same time some of my retired NH FB friends started posting up their weekly "Bernie" breakfast meet ups with selfies and Bernie stickers. Next, one of my long time UC Berkeley YMCA buddies joked with me about joining the Bernie movement. Should I be worried? Is it possible that Hillary is going to be out played by Bernie? Mr. Bloomberg our nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
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Good editorial, it's important not to lose sight of what we're all looking for. Namely good government. Hillary isn't a magic elixir salesman. She's selling proven remedies that got us 8 years of peace and prosperity. I hope she stays on that message even as her opponent has to rely on the Goldman Sachs smear to put him ahead.
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8 years of peace and prosperity???? Surely you jest..............still at war in the Middle East many of us still haven't recovered from 2008. Gitmo is still opened. I find your comment laughable at best.
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The problem with you and other younger voters is that you conflate the Bush years with the Clinton years. We weren't at war in the Middle East during Clinton's time in office. In fact, he cut the military budget dramatically, including closing such sacred cow bases as the Presidio. That's what helped him balance our budget for the first time in 50 years.
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Dear Times Editorial Board: Just once, might you not write through the lens of what everything means to Hillary?
The last month, Hillary let slip the dogs of surrogacy, trying the negative path. First Chel$ea loosed a wllfully dishonest attack on Sanders' health plan. Then the tandem tin ears of Steinem and Albright jumped ugly. Finally, the Big Dog complained long and loud, a plaintive wail of desperation.
Does Albright also think there's a special place in hell for blacks who won't vote for Ben Carson? Does she think there's a special place in hell for Latinos who don't support Cruz or Rubio?
The Clintons of Primary Colors are beginning to reemerge. But it's not the 90s anymore, and, while they weren't looking, the playbook got rewritten. Attacking Obama in 2008 backfired. Shouldn't smart politicians like the Clintons have learned from past mistakes?
Hillary needs to up her game, and fast. Try to conjure a positive message for once. Like chcken soup, it might not help, but surely it couldn't hurt. Give us a reason to vote for you, other than out of obligation. That's liver, instead of chicken soup...
The last month, Hillary let slip the dogs of surrogacy, trying the negative path. First Chel$ea loosed a wllfully dishonest attack on Sanders' health plan. Then the tandem tin ears of Steinem and Albright jumped ugly. Finally, the Big Dog complained long and loud, a plaintive wail of desperation.
Does Albright also think there's a special place in hell for blacks who won't vote for Ben Carson? Does she think there's a special place in hell for Latinos who don't support Cruz or Rubio?
The Clintons of Primary Colors are beginning to reemerge. But it's not the 90s anymore, and, while they weren't looking, the playbook got rewritten. Attacking Obama in 2008 backfired. Shouldn't smart politicians like the Clintons have learned from past mistakes?
Hillary needs to up her game, and fast. Try to conjure a positive message for once. Like chcken soup, it might not help, but surely it couldn't hurt. Give us a reason to vote for you, other than out of obligation. That's liver, instead of chicken soup...
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Clueless and out of touch.
That is the Clinton campaign tonight regardless of how the Times' editors choose to spin it.
Just this evening Politico observed: "Bill Clinton, who over the weekend ramped up his attacks on Sanders, has in recent days told people that he feels those attacks on Sanders -- and how he is also a regular politician playing the game like everyone else -- are starting to sink in. It’s too late to make a difference in New Hampshire, Clinton has told confidants, but it’s about what’s next."
Rather than recognize that one of the reasons for her crushing defeat in New Hampshire was the boneheaded statements made by her famous surrogates-- Madeleine Albright, Gloria Steinem, Chelsea Clinton and husband Bill Clinton-- she apparently continues to believe that their negative and degrading messages about Sanders and his supporters will somehow or other revive her candidacy.
One thing should be certain: Hillary Clinton, whatever her leadership skills might be as president, is absolutely dreadful at managing her campaign despite more past experience (1992, 1996 and 2008) than any candidate before her has ever had.
Reference: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-new-hampshire-afri...
That is the Clinton campaign tonight regardless of how the Times' editors choose to spin it.
Just this evening Politico observed: "Bill Clinton, who over the weekend ramped up his attacks on Sanders, has in recent days told people that he feels those attacks on Sanders -- and how he is also a regular politician playing the game like everyone else -- are starting to sink in. It’s too late to make a difference in New Hampshire, Clinton has told confidants, but it’s about what’s next."
Rather than recognize that one of the reasons for her crushing defeat in New Hampshire was the boneheaded statements made by her famous surrogates-- Madeleine Albright, Gloria Steinem, Chelsea Clinton and husband Bill Clinton-- she apparently continues to believe that their negative and degrading messages about Sanders and his supporters will somehow or other revive her candidacy.
One thing should be certain: Hillary Clinton, whatever her leadership skills might be as president, is absolutely dreadful at managing her campaign despite more past experience (1992, 1996 and 2008) than any candidate before her has ever had.
Reference: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/02/hillary-clinton-new-hampshire-afri...
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"Rather than recognize that one of the reasons for her crushing defeat in New Hampshire was the boneheaded statements made by her famous surrogates-- Madeleine Albright, Gloria Steinem..."
Absolutely right. Rarely have comments done so much damage to a political campaign. Mind-boggling, as my mother would have said. (She hated Hillary.)
Absolutely right. Rarely have comments done so much damage to a political campaign. Mind-boggling, as my mother would have said. (She hated Hillary.)
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"...David Brock, the Clinton Svengali..." So then, Mr. Brock is "a person who completely dominates another (the Clintons) ... with selfish or sinister motives?" Another definition reads "A person who manipulates or controls another, especially by force of personality for malicious purposes."
I am left imagining the powers Brock must possess and pondering life as "Clinton Svengali." It must be gnarly.
I am left imagining the powers Brock must possess and pondering life as "Clinton Svengali." It must be gnarly.
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Could someone kindly explain Hillary's vaunted foreign policy expertise? From what I have seen it is basically whatever the neocons want to do. She says the same things John McCain and Lindsey Graham say - bomb bomb bomb, bomb Iran, Syria, Libya, wherever we can. And what has she done as Secretary of State? Not that I have any grudge against her, but she never seems to bring up any of her accomplishments in her speeches and I am sure it is not just modesty.
In other words, if you say someone has foreign policy expertise or economic or taxation expertise, kindly, please list exactly what you mean. No need for horrific details, just the general picture would do. Thanks.
In other words, if you say someone has foreign policy expertise or economic or taxation expertise, kindly, please list exactly what you mean. No need for horrific details, just the general picture would do. Thanks.
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Hillary should go on. Sanders will never be elected president. He may be popular in New Hampshire which suffers from problems like those in Vermont….lit's like Appalachia…but the rest of our country has given up on Hippie ideas and ideals. So far the Press has not revealed all his faults, both professional and personal. I can hardly wait for all the facts of his messy past and failure to distinguish himself in Congress will come out.
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Check out the transcript for Clinton's concession speech. Count how many times she used the word, "me," in laying out another glowing account of her life in politics. Sanders, on the other hand, likes to use the word, "we."
The more I watch this race, as one who just six months ago was avidly supporting Clinton, I am struck with how it may be time to let go of the Clinton phenomenon.
To Bill and Hillary Clinton, thanks for your service. You've had your day, now please go away.
The more I watch this race, as one who just six months ago was avidly supporting Clinton, I am struck with how it may be time to let go of the Clinton phenomenon.
To Bill and Hillary Clinton, thanks for your service. You've had your day, now please go away.
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What a disappointing editorial. You could have just sent her a box of tissues.
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It ain't over 'til it's over!
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Hold on there, Editorial Board.
Just yesterday you ran an opinion piece talking about how only 1% of the nation (Iowa and New Hampshire) are deciding who is in and who isn't.
Now, 24 hours later, you;re advising that Clinton should be considered out.
Which editorial board article is the one you mean?
Just yesterday you ran an opinion piece talking about how only 1% of the nation (Iowa and New Hampshire) are deciding who is in and who isn't.
Now, 24 hours later, you;re advising that Clinton should be considered out.
Which editorial board article is the one you mean?
Consigning potential voters to hell for breaking ranks and accusing Sanders of taking money from Wall Street indirectly through the DSCC while wearing a spanking new plaid shirt means the Clinton Machine has already failed the pressure test.
You can't focus group authenticity.
You can't focus group authenticity.
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The Clinton team is out of touch with young voters. Witness the use of Steinem and Alnright to chastise young women voters. They don't get it and maybe Hillary's trouncing in New Hampshire will be a wake up call to them. Bernie may be a septuagenarian but he has his finger on the pulse of young voters, and the disenfranchised. She represents the old guard, D.C. plutocrats. She should give her outdated pants suits to the Salvation Army and put on her cheer leading outfits (not literally)
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Regarding Bernie's ability to get his agenda passed through the congress: He has shown his tremendous ability to get his message out to the people and rally their support. (If his campaign success is about anything, it's about that.) Isn't that how Reagan passed much of his agenda, by going directly to the people even when he had a hostile congress? In contrast, the second Clinton term was mired in scandal (a hallmark of the Clintons) and failed to get anything done.
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The doomsayers and haters of Hillary are out in droves tonight I see. They just can't help themselves, jumping up and down with glee. A landslide in New Hampshire. The wicked witch is dead, for now. Whee! But wait, is she really dead? Not so soon.
This is just the first shot fired across the bow of Hillary's campaign. And she has already picked up stakes and moved on. And as much as Sanders supporters are hyped tonight, thinking this may be the beginning of the end, those with enough smarts know this thought is about as far-fetched as it gets. Hillary isn't going away, she's just headed South.
The list of Hillary's haters stretches as far as the eye can see. They still are awaiting her demise. But they are also aware another inconvenient truth. The Clintons thrive on these challenges.
You could tell this by Sanders "Victory" speech. Listening to it on the radio I thought he had lost for a minute, so deferring he was toward Hillary. New Hampshire is but the first in a long drawn out series of cross-country battles for the nomination. We learned in '08 this can drag till summer. hillary's been there, but Sanders already sounded exhausted. One surmises he's aware of the long hard slog against an always formidable Clintons has just begun.
Welcome, Mr. Sanders, to the big leagues. You're not in New Hampshire or Vermont anymore. You're headed somewhere over the rainbow. Sanders will learn the true meaning of an old adage: There's no place like home.
DD
Manhattan
This is just the first shot fired across the bow of Hillary's campaign. And she has already picked up stakes and moved on. And as much as Sanders supporters are hyped tonight, thinking this may be the beginning of the end, those with enough smarts know this thought is about as far-fetched as it gets. Hillary isn't going away, she's just headed South.
The list of Hillary's haters stretches as far as the eye can see. They still are awaiting her demise. But they are also aware another inconvenient truth. The Clintons thrive on these challenges.
You could tell this by Sanders "Victory" speech. Listening to it on the radio I thought he had lost for a minute, so deferring he was toward Hillary. New Hampshire is but the first in a long drawn out series of cross-country battles for the nomination. We learned in '08 this can drag till summer. hillary's been there, but Sanders already sounded exhausted. One surmises he's aware of the long hard slog against an always formidable Clintons has just begun.
Welcome, Mr. Sanders, to the big leagues. You're not in New Hampshire or Vermont anymore. You're headed somewhere over the rainbow. Sanders will learn the true meaning of an old adage: There's no place like home.
DD
Manhattan
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This exhaustion was on clearly on display when Sen. Sanders was shooting hoops after he won. The Sanders campaign was well aware of the long slog since before Iowa. Bernie Sanders won 50,000 more votes last night and received millions of dollars from everyday Americann as well. The Sanders campaign is ready for whatever comes next.
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NY Times Editorial Board, please, stop telling us for whom we should vote! You are the Establishment and in case you hadn't noticed, many of your readers are tired of the Establishment. If your net worth is more than a million dollars, please don't lecture us. For many Americans the present is unpleasant and the future fraught with danger (climate change) and uncertainty. Why shouldn't we reach higher than what the Clinton's are offering? Shame on you.
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Yes, Iowa and New Hampshire aren't representative of the whole nation. But Bernie Sanders has greater universal appeal than most analysts suspect. The simple act of an American politician speaking the truth will carry Sanders to the White House.
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Since they could not out-idea Bernie Sanders during this winter-of-discontent primary season, Hillary Clinton and Company had to attack him. She is hurting mostly herself but does not know it. The Clintons dug the rut they are now caught in; in April, when the rut has become a trench, they'll wonder how they got there.
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This is not 1991. The Clintons apparently do not realize this and thus their current campaign is like watching a TV rerun of that genre. The country has dramatically changed, both in its internal persona as well as how it faces and interacts with the rest of the world.
Having the first female President doesn't appear to resonate as it did. Perhaps Mr. Obama sated the nation's quest for overcoming the all-white, male parade of prior office holders.
In the same vein, being fixated at 25 years ago, the Clintons have picked up where they left off. There is outrage that Hillary is not given her due as seen by Bill's off-putting attacks of Mr. Sanders. Berating women, as Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem did, of course, will only further antagonize the very women to whom they wish to appeal.
Hillary, seems off-message. Yes, she is probably the most competent of all current presidential candidates, but she does herself harm by not bringing forth specifics, as does Mr. Sanders. Her vision is lacking and generic, falling into the category of "trust me", which is not, of course, one of her strengths.
Bottom line, there are steps she must take: Bill needs to disappear. He is an old and tired warrior; her message must be more than "I am well trained". She must show imagination and thoughtfulness; finally, she must stop feeling and showing a sense of entitlement.
If she can give 1991 and be bold, she may yet prevail.
Having the first female President doesn't appear to resonate as it did. Perhaps Mr. Obama sated the nation's quest for overcoming the all-white, male parade of prior office holders.
In the same vein, being fixated at 25 years ago, the Clintons have picked up where they left off. There is outrage that Hillary is not given her due as seen by Bill's off-putting attacks of Mr. Sanders. Berating women, as Madeleine Albright and Gloria Steinem did, of course, will only further antagonize the very women to whom they wish to appeal.
Hillary, seems off-message. Yes, she is probably the most competent of all current presidential candidates, but she does herself harm by not bringing forth specifics, as does Mr. Sanders. Her vision is lacking and generic, falling into the category of "trust me", which is not, of course, one of her strengths.
Bottom line, there are steps she must take: Bill needs to disappear. He is an old and tired warrior; her message must be more than "I am well trained". She must show imagination and thoughtfulness; finally, she must stop feeling and showing a sense of entitlement.
If she can give 1991 and be bold, she may yet prevail.
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I'm a New York voter, but for decades have lived in Switzerland, an über-capitalist country but with health insurance for all, publicly supported higher education, good social safety net, great infrastructure, sound public finances, and where "redistribution" is an avowed government aim. Switzerland has a large Socialist party, and "democratic socialist" doesn't say much at all here, since it describes so many of us in Europe.
What the principled and progressive Bernie Sanders is proposing is quite achievable, quite realistic - so the commenters here who are afraid of their future being determined by the Sanders supporters, described as "a bunch of dreamy-eyed millennials who have never worked a full-time job and have no idea what it's like to lose 30% of your paycheck to taxes" should simply look to Europe to see that universal health care and publicly supported higher education have worked here for years - we do work, we do pay our taxes,and we do have health care and publicly supported universities.
What is the fuss about?
What the principled and progressive Bernie Sanders is proposing is quite achievable, quite realistic - so the commenters here who are afraid of their future being determined by the Sanders supporters, described as "a bunch of dreamy-eyed millennials who have never worked a full-time job and have no idea what it's like to lose 30% of your paycheck to taxes" should simply look to Europe to see that universal health care and publicly supported higher education have worked here for years - we do work, we do pay our taxes,and we do have health care and publicly supported universities.
What is the fuss about?
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The Democrats cannot win in November without substantial support from voters who identify as independent. Even a superficial parsing of the New Hamsphire results reveals that, as between Hillary and Bernie, it is Bernie who attracts the independents, not Hillary. This, of course, runs counter to our intuition that independents will gravitate to the more "moderate" candidate, in this case Clinton. But the goal posts have been moved in the current election cycle. Income inequality and independence from corporate interest have become the two most significant signature issues for the voters in Democratic primaries.
Moreover, Sanders domestic policy goals are little more than a return to the aspirtational but also pragmatic liberalism embodied by the likes of FDR and LBJ; if you are a traditional Democrat (versus a so-called "New Democrat"), you really can't get much more mainstream than that.
Nevada with its closed caucuses will almost surely be a win for Clinton. But South Carolina remains within Sanders' reach. If this lifelong civil rights advocate can sell his vision of hope and national rebirth to a substantial proportion of the Democratic voters of South Carolina, he will have proven his mettle against the toughest and most competent opponent imaginable.
Godspeed, Senator Sanders.
Moreover, Sanders domestic policy goals are little more than a return to the aspirtational but also pragmatic liberalism embodied by the likes of FDR and LBJ; if you are a traditional Democrat (versus a so-called "New Democrat"), you really can't get much more mainstream than that.
Nevada with its closed caucuses will almost surely be a win for Clinton. But South Carolina remains within Sanders' reach. If this lifelong civil rights advocate can sell his vision of hope and national rebirth to a substantial proportion of the Democratic voters of South Carolina, he will have proven his mettle against the toughest and most competent opponent imaginable.
Godspeed, Senator Sanders.
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Life long civil rights advocate? He spent a weekend once watching King speak. For the past 50 years he has lived in one of the whitest places on earth, Vermont. I lived there for a couple years once, early in the Bernie years. It is a theme park for white folks.
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If Bernie Sanders is on the top of the ticket, not only would he lose the election, many of the downticket Democrats will lose their seats, ans we will get a Republic controlled Executive and Legislative branch with Trump, Cruz or another equally unprepared Republic at the top.
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This is in response to Glenn...Los Angeles, who blames millennials for supporting Bernie Sanders:
"Dreamy-eyed millennials" see what the grownups in the room have done to their future. Those that are able to go to college see the amount of debt they'll incur. Those without the financial ability to attend a four year college see nothing for them. They are concerned the "American Dream", whatever that is, will not be theirs to behold. They see their unarmed compatriots being shot to death by those whose responsibility is to serve and protect or imprisoned for labor. They've seen the outcome of war, of adult dishonesty and rudeness. They hear the double entendre of racist/sexist remarks, the poisoning of American cities, the responses to en mass gun deaths in this country. They understand that manufacturing has been outsourced. They understand what parental neglect is, having been raised by television, games or the Internet. They see the adults acting out like children, with short attention spans and an unwillingness to do the work that is the backbone of achievement. They see that the Supreme Court discounting votes and gave them Citizens United. They see and understand their privacy is null and void. They see the reality of living in this country under the rule of the oligarch and plutocrat class and that they, the millennials, must turn this corruption on its head. They know votes can't be bought, but politicians can. Sadly, you don't get them or why your fate is theirs.
"Dreamy-eyed millennials" see what the grownups in the room have done to their future. Those that are able to go to college see the amount of debt they'll incur. Those without the financial ability to attend a four year college see nothing for them. They are concerned the "American Dream", whatever that is, will not be theirs to behold. They see their unarmed compatriots being shot to death by those whose responsibility is to serve and protect or imprisoned for labor. They've seen the outcome of war, of adult dishonesty and rudeness. They hear the double entendre of racist/sexist remarks, the poisoning of American cities, the responses to en mass gun deaths in this country. They understand that manufacturing has been outsourced. They understand what parental neglect is, having been raised by television, games or the Internet. They see the adults acting out like children, with short attention spans and an unwillingness to do the work that is the backbone of achievement. They see that the Supreme Court discounting votes and gave them Citizens United. They see and understand their privacy is null and void. They see the reality of living in this country under the rule of the oligarch and plutocrat class and that they, the millennials, must turn this corruption on its head. They know votes can't be bought, but politicians can. Sadly, you don't get them or why your fate is theirs.
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Primaries have turned into a sadomasochistic spectacles, lasting 2+ years and occupying the airwaves for long hours every day. All this is not resulting in learning but more forgetting, not in a rational choice but an emotional one. It is already extremely tiring, offending sensibilities, and insulting our intelligence, and there is a long way to the end. By the time the actual voting time comes, most of the population will have been desensitized, fed up. No wonder the voter turn out is not where it should be.
Why could the primaries in all the states be done the same day, without the rollover effect from one to the other? Why could the entire election cycle be significantly reduced? And most importantly, why could we not remove the huge sums of money from the politics?
Why could the primaries in all the states be done the same day, without the rollover effect from one to the other? Why could the entire election cycle be significantly reduced? And most importantly, why could we not remove the huge sums of money from the politics?
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I don't love the Clintons but nonetheless I could still see myself voting for her. To my mind she needs to stop pandering to the left and trying to prove how much of a progressive she is. Rather she should begin to deliver speeches that methodically deconstruct Bernie's positions. I would start with his simultaneous and contradictory positions on wall street and climate change. The conversion to solar (whether distributed solar (i.e., residential roof top) or utility scale (large solar arrays)) and wind are totally and utterly dependent on banks and other financial institutions providing the necessary and diverse forms of capital to finance the development of these projects. It is the bankers and financial institutions (and the lawyers that assist them) that are financing and developing the structures necessary to drive this sector of the economy forward. The demand for capital is enormous. If Bernie had any inkling of what he was talking about he would realize that (i) solar systems are generally installed on a no-money down basis necessitating the need of the solar developers to raise the money to finance the consumer and (ii) renewal development is still heavily subsidized through tax credits and that the institutions that have the tax capacity to use these benefits. There are numerous other examples of where Sanders is clueless (including not understanding that, to the extent socialism works, it works in homogeneous societies not in places like America.
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Reading your post is annoying. Bernie has never stated that private financing should not play a big role in investing in a renewable energy infrastructure. He simply says he wants to accelerate the process given the urgency of action now on climate change. Bernie is against banks that are too big too fail, not against the banking system and role it plays in financing projects like solar.
Speaking of climate change, Bernie has come out in favor of a carbon tax, endorsed by virtually every climate change advocate. Hillary? She doesn't want to offend the fossil fuel interests - no comment.
Speaking of climate change, Bernie has come out in favor of a carbon tax, endorsed by virtually every climate change advocate. Hillary? She doesn't want to offend the fossil fuel interests - no comment.
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Beautifully said. Are angry people rational enough to listen is the question I have...
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Annoyed: I don't disagree with most of your remarks but do want to comment on your last sentence: "to the extent socialism works, it works in homogeneous societies not in places like America." In fact, democratic socialist programs (e.g., healthcare for all, low if any tuition in post-secondary education, strong education and youth-care systems) exist in multicultural societies like Switzerland which operates in three languages and Canada where a large part of the population consists of recent arrivals. The core issue is not diversity itself but the lack of consensus in the US for the social values necessary to support such programs and the existence of a consensus in those societies in favor of such programs.
Why do all of the other major democracies have such "socialist" programs while the US does not? No doubt the answer is complex but it surely includes the racist legacy of slavery masquerading now as "conservative" policies and which join broader reactionary forces aiming to keep the lower orders under-educated, inarticulate and unorganized. The Core Curriculum requires critical thinking -- get rid of it!
When I was younger I thought of the New Deal and the emergence of social democracy in Europe as signs of human progress. I still do, but now I see that the struggles to sustain even modest advances in social policy require constant vigilance and struggle.
Why do all of the other major democracies have such "socialist" programs while the US does not? No doubt the answer is complex but it surely includes the racist legacy of slavery masquerading now as "conservative" policies and which join broader reactionary forces aiming to keep the lower orders under-educated, inarticulate and unorganized. The Core Curriculum requires critical thinking -- get rid of it!
When I was younger I thought of the New Deal and the emergence of social democracy in Europe as signs of human progress. I still do, but now I see that the struggles to sustain even modest advances in social policy require constant vigilance and struggle.
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Hey NYT - what made Hillary the frontrunner in the first place? The Democratic Party machine? Billl Clinton's long reach among the party elite? The many rich super donors who endowed her PACs?
At this point, Hillary is ahead in delegates because of the Super Delegates.
But many many more voters have voted for Bernie than have voted for Hillary Clinton.
Her inevitability was just hype. That's gone as of today.
At this point, Hillary is ahead in delegates because of the Super Delegates.
But many many more voters have voted for Bernie than have voted for Hillary Clinton.
Her inevitability was just hype. That's gone as of today.
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This deja vu.
Americans do not like "entitlement" candidates like J. Bush and H. Clinton.
America is an empire that does not necessarily likes nepotism at the highest levels. That is the main reason Bernie and Donald are ahead.
Americans do not like "entitlement" candidates like J. Bush and H. Clinton.
America is an empire that does not necessarily likes nepotism at the highest levels. That is the main reason Bernie and Donald are ahead.
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It's deja vu all over again. 2008: Hillary chagrined by that upstart Obama. 2016: Hillary chagrined by that upstart Sanders. Hillary will skewer Bernie at every turn. The problem is she has many more vulnerabilities. She who lives in a glass house....
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I'm a Hillary supporter but her campaign is really running afoul. The last thing they should be doing is attacking sanders. People love him because he appears so ethical and these 'attacks' just confirm people's worst suspicions about her. Also, if she is having trouble with the youth vote, why on earth is she pulling out 80 year old feminists to attack young women. It's just crazy.
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The point of a primary race is not to damage the opposition beyond repair as one will have to back the other at some point.
Otherwise it's POTUS Trump,.
Otherwise it's POTUS Trump,.
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Re: Hillary's supposed 'firewall' with African American voters.
She thought she had women in her pocket too.
She was wrong.
She thought she had women in her pocket too.
She was wrong.
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The New Yorker's Andy Borowitz recently carried a shocking revelation about Bernie Sanders' cozy, hidden relationship with several of the nation's big banks. Apparently, in return for maintaining minimum balances of $500, Bernie accepted FREE CHECKING accounts. If that doesn't plunk Bernie securely in Wall Street's pocket, then I don't know what does.
I wonder what the Hill-Bill-Brock triumvirate will do with that show-stopper? Is nothing sacred any more?
www.endthemadnessnow.org
I wonder what the Hill-Bill-Brock triumvirate will do with that show-stopper? Is nothing sacred any more?
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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It is a drop in the bucket. 24 delegates to the Democratic convention that like all those at Democratic primaries/caucuses are allocated according to share of vote. Total number of delegates is 4,764. Svengali is probably right.
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If Clinton is the Democratic nominee the only way she becomes President is if the Republicans do something stupid and nominate Trump or Cruz. If she has to face someone like Kasich, she is toast.
The single most damning thing about her campaign is that her own party doesn't trust her.
Counting on your opponent to do something stupid is not a winning strategy.
The single most damning thing about her campaign is that her own party doesn't trust her.
Counting on your opponent to do something stupid is not a winning strategy.
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Hillary is from Illinois.
It borders Iowa.
She lost by 15 in Iowa.
It borders Iowa.
She lost by 15 in Iowa.
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Still trying to figure out how you got it so wrong, NY Times?
Voter turnout was high this year for the Democrats, thanks to the enthusiasm for Sanders. He brought in young people, seniors, and working men and women, many from strongholds that had gone to Clinton in 2008.
This was how Sanders won in New Hampshire and how he will win in November -- by exciting people to get to the polls and knowing their voices will be heard.
Voter turnout was high this year for the Democrats, thanks to the enthusiasm for Sanders. He brought in young people, seniors, and working men and women, many from strongholds that had gone to Clinton in 2008.
This was how Sanders won in New Hampshire and how he will win in November -- by exciting people to get to the polls and knowing their voices will be heard.
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Can't help but think Joe Biden, looking at Clinton's underperformance in Iowa and NH, seriously regrets not throw his hat in the ring.
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Clinton thought she was the anointed one in '08: she was wrong. In '16 she again thinks she's the anointed one, and again, she's wrong. Why should any Democrat think that she's capable of competing against the Republican nominee when she keeps "misreading the tea leaves"? She is who she is: a habitual victim and phony who doesn't "deserve" to be in the White House anymore than Jeb Bush. Bernie has my vote!
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A rambling, aimless and of course biased editorial on the historic win by Bernie Sanders tonight in NH. You mete out stoic advice to basically not let these results tonight really mean anything. Are we really to believe you'd be curbing your enthusiasm, to borrow a phrase, if HRC had won?
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Among other things, good political leaders: (i) understand the forces and ideas shaping an historical moment (what in German is called the zeitgeist), (ii) understand and have a strategy to confront the political problems those forces and ideas have created, (iii) can articulate in a way that resonates with an electorate (Walter Lippmann might say “publics”) what is wrong and what needs to be done.
Trump and Sanders understand that the experience of the last recession and war has changed American zeitgeist. Both speak to the frustration and anger that experience has engendered, albeit in very different ways.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and perhaps Hillary Clinton herself, does not seem to understand that times of changed and that what it/she has to say seems to the electorate to be the kind of tepid technocratic shell game discourse that put lead in the water of Flint MI. It’s hard to blame Hillary. Her myopia is shared by what in another time, one not so long, was called “the establishment”. It’s bred in the bone.
The tragedy of Hillary Clinton is that her time has passed. In not recognizing this fact, she fails an important test of leadership.
Trump and Sanders understand that the experience of the last recession and war has changed American zeitgeist. Both speak to the frustration and anger that experience has engendered, albeit in very different ways.
Hillary Clinton’s campaign, and perhaps Hillary Clinton herself, does not seem to understand that times of changed and that what it/she has to say seems to the electorate to be the kind of tepid technocratic shell game discourse that put lead in the water of Flint MI. It’s hard to blame Hillary. Her myopia is shared by what in another time, one not so long, was called “the establishment”. It’s bred in the bone.
The tragedy of Hillary Clinton is that her time has passed. In not recognizing this fact, she fails an important test of leadership.
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Great therapy....same applies to Bush ......and the most revealing...to Rubio...who should know better....but he is simply the youngest old fashioned of the group
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I agree. I voted for Hillary in the primary in 2008, and I still believe she would have been a better president over the last 8 years than Obama, who never brought the fight to the Republicans. But her time has passed. The hawks that support the military-industrial complex are finally beginning to succumb to the DDT the millennials are formulating. Sadly, Hillary always believed that in order to get elected, as a woman, she had to be hawkish on foreign affairs. The result, following her stint as Sec. of State, speaks for itself.
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Bernie: “I happen to respect (Hillary) very much...On our worst days… we’re a hundred times better than any Republican candidate.”
Ted Kennedy & the puritanical left helped defeat Carter & bring 3 terms of Reagan style transformation; Nader & Co helped defeat Gore & bring 2 terms of W transformation. Intransigent demands for some mythic candidate opens the door to more authoritarian transformation from the right.
The general election is mainly going to be a referendum on whether we advance the real if incomplete progress we’ve made on health, financial reform and the environment. The last thing we should be doing is trash-talking that progress and impugning the motives of people who are fundamentally on their side.
There are no perfect candidates, but promotion of Obama/Clinton derangement syndrome from the left keeps the electoral door open to faux life fetal fetishists, war & hate mongers masquerading as "conservative", "Christian" & “Republican”. Thankfully for all of us Bernie does not have a Naderesque ego like some on the left.
Ted Kennedy & the puritanical left helped defeat Carter & bring 3 terms of Reagan style transformation; Nader & Co helped defeat Gore & bring 2 terms of W transformation. Intransigent demands for some mythic candidate opens the door to more authoritarian transformation from the right.
The general election is mainly going to be a referendum on whether we advance the real if incomplete progress we’ve made on health, financial reform and the environment. The last thing we should be doing is trash-talking that progress and impugning the motives of people who are fundamentally on their side.
There are no perfect candidates, but promotion of Obama/Clinton derangement syndrome from the left keeps the electoral door open to faux life fetal fetishists, war & hate mongers masquerading as "conservative", "Christian" & “Republican”. Thankfully for all of us Bernie does not have a Naderesque ego like some on the left.
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Sanders won "because he's from a neighboring state"?
Are they even trying to make sense anymore?
Is that why Clinton won Iowa too? Because NY is a little closer to Iowa than VT?
Are they even trying to make sense anymore?
Is that why Clinton won Iowa too? Because NY is a little closer to Iowa than VT?
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Look at a map! New York borders New Hampshire! Hillary was New York's Senator! She is from a neighboring state!
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She was from NY in name only.
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The Dalai Lama has been talking about income inequality and the ills of unbridled capitalism for a long long time. Speaking at the AEI in 2014, he said, "The Dalai Lama answered in general terms, repeating his call for human beings to be more compassionate and to dampen “too much greed.”
Critiqued American capitalism: “...United States, capitalist country, most richest, but gap rich and poor.” The Dalai Lama believes “the best kind of change comes from both ends.”
Like the Dalai Lama, the Pope Francis too has been a champion of the poor, the downtrodden. And today, Senator Bernie Sanders sends a message all over the country, all over the world, that its time, "The people of New Hampshire have sent a profound message to the political establishment, to the economic establishment, and by the way, to the media establishment.
What the people here have said is given the enormous crises facing our country, it is just too late for the same old, same old establishment politics, and establishment economics. The people want real change. What the American people are saying -- and, by the way, I hear this not just from progressives, but from conservatives and from moderates, is that we can no longer continue to have a campaign finances system in which Wall Street and the billionaire class are able to buy elections."
Listen up, fellow citizens. Take a minute to absorb this, we have a sage living amongst us. How we get there will be our biggest challenge, America can do it.
Critiqued American capitalism: “...United States, capitalist country, most richest, but gap rich and poor.” The Dalai Lama believes “the best kind of change comes from both ends.”
Like the Dalai Lama, the Pope Francis too has been a champion of the poor, the downtrodden. And today, Senator Bernie Sanders sends a message all over the country, all over the world, that its time, "The people of New Hampshire have sent a profound message to the political establishment, to the economic establishment, and by the way, to the media establishment.
What the people here have said is given the enormous crises facing our country, it is just too late for the same old, same old establishment politics, and establishment economics. The people want real change. What the American people are saying -- and, by the way, I hear this not just from progressives, but from conservatives and from moderates, is that we can no longer continue to have a campaign finances system in which Wall Street and the billionaire class are able to buy elections."
Listen up, fellow citizens. Take a minute to absorb this, we have a sage living amongst us. How we get there will be our biggest challenge, America can do it.
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All I can think is....'what a shame Elizabeth Warren didn't run'
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Actually this way is better cause Bernie will name Warren VP and then in 2020 she
can run as sitting VP against Rubio or whatever clown the GOP puts up.
can run as sitting VP against Rubio or whatever clown the GOP puts up.
Didn't I read something like this in the NYT's official endorsement of
Hillary Clinton's second presidential campaign:
"...Mr. Sanders, has proved a tougher opponent than they had expected."
I'll say it again: a tougher opponent than the NYT expected, also.
Fellow reader Siobhan is correct. NYT are you trying to minimize Sanders's win? Would you take that view if Clinton won? Come on, it's not sporting of you. We know there's a long road ahead. But this is where things are now. It serves no purpose to disrespect it.
2-10-16@12:48 am
Hillary Clinton's second presidential campaign:
"...Mr. Sanders, has proved a tougher opponent than they had expected."
I'll say it again: a tougher opponent than the NYT expected, also.
Fellow reader Siobhan is correct. NYT are you trying to minimize Sanders's win? Would you take that view if Clinton won? Come on, it's not sporting of you. We know there's a long road ahead. But this is where things are now. It serves no purpose to disrespect it.
2-10-16@12:48 am
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"On Tuesday, Mrs. Clinton sent an email to her backers, thanking them, asking them for $1 and complaining that Mr. Sanders “went to the extraordinary measure of outspending us on the airwaves three to one here in New Hampshire.” "
Of course the real reason for asking for $1 donations was to LOWER the average amount of donations because Bernie's average is $27.
Clintons continue to think voters are stupid and can be easily tricked.
Of course the real reason for asking for $1 donations was to LOWER the average amount of donations because Bernie's average is $27.
Clintons continue to think voters are stupid and can be easily tricked.
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Hillary Clinton had the nerve to ask supporters for $1 when she is flush with Wall Street cash??
Jeez, she should go to her Daddy Warbucks, Goldman Sachs, and secure a loan ala Ted Cruz.
Jeez, she should go to her Daddy Warbucks, Goldman Sachs, and secure a loan ala Ted Cruz.
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After watching the establishment media—including the NYTimes—ignore Senator Sanders for months, his followers may be forgiven for indulging in a bit of celebratory schadenfreude following his landslide victory in New Hampshire.
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Hillary 's speech tonight again was focused more on herself in comparison to that of Sanders', or even Trump's speech.
When Hillary said that SCOTUS's decision on the Citizens' United case was an attack on her should indicate to the voting public how desperate and far fetching her campaign is turning.
Hillary if you are as civically minded as you state, step aside and let Bernie battle with whoever the GOP candidate will be in November....
When Hillary said that SCOTUS's decision on the Citizens' United case was an attack on her should indicate to the voting public how desperate and far fetching her campaign is turning.
Hillary if you are as civically minded as you state, step aside and let Bernie battle with whoever the GOP candidate will be in November....
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Mr.Sanders “was even once spotted chatting sociably for close to an hour with a financial services lobbyist who was in a hot tub while the senator sat nearby.” I see nothing wrong with Sanders talking to lobbyists, maybe Bernie was trying to find out what Hillary said to Goldman Sachs that is worth $675,000?
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This sounds just like the past 2wks before the Super Bowl.
It was Cam this and Carolina that. Forgone conclusion.
Then WHAM! On the ground sack! AGAIN!
Way to go Broncos!
Way to go Bernie!
#UsNotMe
Get! Out! and Vote!
It was Cam this and Carolina that. Forgone conclusion.
Then WHAM! On the ground sack! AGAIN!
Way to go Broncos!
Way to go Bernie!
#UsNotMe
Get! Out! and Vote!
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Hillary has stood the test of time,now she knows what is being thrown at her you can expect some minor change in her campaign, I have researched all the wannabees, nobody can match her on the delicate implications required to manage Foreign Affairs, which represents about 50 % of the workload of a President......Sanders avoids the subject & he has other shortfalls, As an international commenter I have kept a close watch on her since 1992 as the years have gone bye she has learnt from experience. It is time the U.S had a women President...........john
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Her foreign affairs experience is a big plus? You mean Iraq? Libya? Honduras? These are a few countries where HRC's disastrous foreign policy decisions have created problems for the U.S. Instead of "experience" maybe we should consider "results", "competence", and "judgment". Wait a second, that would blow your argument out of the water, leaving you with your last line - it's time the U.S. had a "women" president. OK, then how about Jill Stein?
All her cheating and illegalities will never catch up with her, but, the longer she is out there, the more people see her for what she is. She is power hungry, narcissistic, lying, and hypocritical. Now, those adjectives describe most politicians, buy some of them have a few redeeming qualities--Hillary has none.
while Hillary has much experience she has few actual accomplishments beyond
being a champion of women's rights. her Senate career was sparse and as
Secretary of State she left a legacy of failed policies... being wrong on Egypt
and Libya as well as the weak effort to pivot to Asia.
being a champion of women's rights. her Senate career was sparse and as
Secretary of State she left a legacy of failed policies... being wrong on Egypt
and Libya as well as the weak effort to pivot to Asia.
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Wouldn't it be easier for the Times to say," BernIe Sanders shouldn't win. He doesn't deserve to win. And if he does win, it is a mistake by the Clinton campaign"
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Bernie Sanders wins in New Hampshire by 20%. Your editorial could have said something like "The Sander's Team's Pressure to Keep Up the Momentum." Yet your main editorial is about Hillary Clinton. Why am I not surprised? What a joke the so called paper of record is becoming. I imagine if Sanders wins the nomination your headline will read: CLINTON contemplates future after loss to Sanders.
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Bernie Sanders received more votes than Donald Trump and John Kasich COMBINED and all the NYT can headline is that Trump Cements Headliner Status. Oh, and then their EB comforts $hillary and urges her to stay the course. Even more pathetic is the assumption that somehow she has the black vote in her back pocket for some unexplained reason. Once the news of Bernie Sanders' newly minted viability escapes into the atmosphere, Clinton's 2 point lead in the national polls will evaporate just like her lead in NH did so many weeks ago. Get with the times, NYT and start covering the biggest story of all! The road to a Bernie Sanders Presidency!
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To a fellow Vermonter--Andre, nice dream. But if Bernie ever does garner the nomination (which will be difficult--since he can't win a single Southern state), he'll be dead meat when Republicans launch their media campaign-- demonstrating the logical outcome of a socialist victory.
Get ready for bleak visions of Venezuela, Cuba, Greece, Puerto Rico, and most of Europe (save Germany), depicting the destruction--left in the wake of socialist policies. And if the Republicans really want to get tough--they'll follow on with the saga of Flint, Detroit, Stockton CA, Toledo, Cleveland--and every other liberal-run, bankrupt disaster.
Conservatives will show the poverty, the malaise, the high unemployment rates--which are inevitable outcomes whenever investors, entrepreneurs and business-owners are punished for their success. Bernie will counter with (what else?), visions of Scandinavia??--which has a combined population smaller than Texas and is 98% White.
And then will come the debates. The eventual Republican candidate will only have to utter one sentence: "I love this country--how about you, Bernie?". When Bernie stumbles and equivocates--and then starts his Wall Street ranting, it will be all over--for he would rather vomit in his own mouth than utter the phrase, "I love America".
Like I said, nice dream. Here's to a Sanders nomination. We're waiting, anxiously, and with glee in our hearts.
Get ready for bleak visions of Venezuela, Cuba, Greece, Puerto Rico, and most of Europe (save Germany), depicting the destruction--left in the wake of socialist policies. And if the Republicans really want to get tough--they'll follow on with the saga of Flint, Detroit, Stockton CA, Toledo, Cleveland--and every other liberal-run, bankrupt disaster.
Conservatives will show the poverty, the malaise, the high unemployment rates--which are inevitable outcomes whenever investors, entrepreneurs and business-owners are punished for their success. Bernie will counter with (what else?), visions of Scandinavia??--which has a combined population smaller than Texas and is 98% White.
And then will come the debates. The eventual Republican candidate will only have to utter one sentence: "I love this country--how about you, Bernie?". When Bernie stumbles and equivocates--and then starts his Wall Street ranting, it will be all over--for he would rather vomit in his own mouth than utter the phrase, "I love America".
Like I said, nice dream. Here's to a Sanders nomination. We're waiting, anxiously, and with glee in our hearts.
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I am reconsidering my subscription to this "unbiased" news outlet. Why is the NYT campaigning for HRC? I started to feel the Bern from other news outlets, and the NYT has fueled the fire...just as Wall Street has fueled the Clintons for decades.
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New York Times, have you never heard of Bernie Sanders? Every article in the Times about the New Hampshire primary could be headed “Trump wins, Hillary loses!” Why are the “news” stories about this election always through the prism of the Clinton campaign? Sanders won. Get over it.
I would dearly love to see Sanders and Kasich debate in the general election. That would be something worth watching: two solid candidates actually debating ideas.
I would dearly love to see Sanders and Kasich debate in the general election. That would be something worth watching: two solid candidates actually debating ideas.
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Bill Clinton lost Iowa.
He came second in NH and announced himself victorious as 'the comeback kid'
Now Sanders "loses" Iowa, by 1/2 percentage point, and wins NH by 20 points...
but we're supposed to say THAT doesn't count?
seriously?
He came second in NH and announced himself victorious as 'the comeback kid'
Now Sanders "loses" Iowa, by 1/2 percentage point, and wins NH by 20 points...
but we're supposed to say THAT doesn't count?
seriously?
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Yes, "Why could you not congratulate Bernie Sanders on his decisive win?"
I'm PROFOUNDLY disappointed in my beloved NYTimes—as are a HUGE number of your readers—for the treatment of the candidacy of Senator Bernard Sanders. I have watched and witnessed pervasive and unremitting spin and bias, not just on your editorial page but on your front page.
I'm PROFOUNDLY disappointed in my beloved NYTimes—as are a HUGE number of your readers—for the treatment of the candidacy of Senator Bernard Sanders. I have watched and witnessed pervasive and unremitting spin and bias, not just on your editorial page but on your front page.
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The citizens of the US have gone stark staring mad. 9/11, Iraq, the great recession have filled our people with piss, vinegar, and venom. If Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump represent the best hopes of our electorate, we are doomed. I fear and grieve for the future of this great nation.
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This is a change election that the establishment, their anointed candidates and campaign staffs fail to acknowledge, or understand. The people have been screaming for years. And those people are both tone deaf and in denial.
This is not a surprise to anyone that is on the ground and listening to the average American citizen.
This is not a surprise to anyone that is on the ground and listening to the average American citizen.
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If Michel Bloomberg can decide if he is going to run in March I am hoping Joe Biden will decide to change his mind and throw his hat in the ring. He would have the best chance to win the Presidency. I know he met with Elizabeth Warren before he decided not to run but now both of them see the writing on the wall and we need them. Joe please reconsider.
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I would really like to know what game the media is playing in that every description of anything Hillary Clinton, Bill Clinton, or the Clinton campaign does is always described with a negative connotation. Hillary Clinton is indeed an incredible person to keep going with optimism against all of the slings and arrows, the vast majority of which are completely unfounded. Our political system is deeply flawed.
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Playing the persecution complex card has not worked for Clinton. The Clinton campaign has tried their smear tactics with Bernie Sanders, trying desperately to bait him into making any kind of negative comment against Clinton, so that she could do what she does best, attack him while claiming to "defend" herself. If you watched the last debate there were many instances where Clinton would attack Bernie based on a distortion or half truth, then before the moderator could jump in, segued into her "but I'm not here to discuss what I just threw out there, I'm here to talk about helping the American people". The problem for Clinton is that this old bag of dirty tricks just doesn't work anymore.
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Hillary can certainly embrace the Bernie revolution, but Bernie cannot become the experienced and well-rounded Hillary, so I still think that Hillary may won the nomination. She needs to move forward and embrace her idealist roots. Be that as it may, the Democratic party can be proud of bringing two powerful, well-meaning candidates to the consideration of the American. This year I cannot imagine why anyone would vote Republican.
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The problem is that she and Bill decided they wanted to be millionaires in Chappaqua rather comfortably retired in Little Rock and the only route to Chappaqua was through Goldman Sachs.
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Hillary is not embracing Bernie's revolution, she is trying to discredit and destroy it. But her doublespeak is problematic. How do you criticize people for being "naive" for wanting single payer, which she falsely claims will "never ever have a chance" of being adopted in the U.S., while at the same time exhorting people to "think big" and not be constrained by old ways?
Methinks Clinton wants it both ways. She wants to paint her self as a progressive while at the same time being a pragmatic moderate establishment candidate.
If you want more corporate oligarchy status quo, vote for Clinton. If you are a true progressive, vote for Bernie.
Methinks Clinton wants it both ways. She wants to paint her self as a progressive while at the same time being a pragmatic moderate establishment candidate.
If you want more corporate oligarchy status quo, vote for Clinton. If you are a true progressive, vote for Bernie.
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Over 2/3 or the States are Red, and my state is moving in that direction. Americans are Republicans since we've destroyed K-12, no one under the age of 50 can think critically. The Republicans won.
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I don't think it is sensible or reasonable to attack Senator Sanders, and personal attacks don't resonate with Democratic voters.
I do think his supporters do him no credit with their vicious attacks and the harsh slander of HRC, but I'm not sure people saying such invectives are true Sanders supporters.
Both candidates have run campaigns on the issues, unlike their Republican counterparts, so I suspect it is Republican operatives posing as Sanders supporters who unleash their gooey slime.
Republicans have had 25 years and hundreds of millions of dollars to smear the Clintons. She has been vetted for decades.
They haven't yet started with Bernie, but they will.
I do think his supporters do him no credit with their vicious attacks and the harsh slander of HRC, but I'm not sure people saying such invectives are true Sanders supporters.
Both candidates have run campaigns on the issues, unlike their Republican counterparts, so I suspect it is Republican operatives posing as Sanders supporters who unleash their gooey slime.
Republicans have had 25 years and hundreds of millions of dollars to smear the Clintons. She has been vetted for decades.
They haven't yet started with Bernie, but they will.
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"candidates always blame the staff first for losses...."
Actually, I heard Marco Rubio's concession speech just now and, in it, he told his supporters that they were great, and he was not, and that his loss of steam in NH was on him, and he promised to do better. I personally hope he begins to own his immigration efforts with Dems in Congress and merely states that while that bill did not work, he will advocate for a better one, and stick to it.
I look for him to be a better candidate from now on. He has much to give.
And as for King Christie, maybe he can look earnestly in the camera when he gets back to Jersey and take that much vaunted "accountability" he touts as Governor, and apologize to the people for taking out his pique at a local mayor by having his operatives and appointees shut down a major highway into NYC. Upon taking "responsibility", since the gavonne in chief is big on "telling it like it is," the only responsible next step should be to step down.
Yeah, right.
Actually, I heard Marco Rubio's concession speech just now and, in it, he told his supporters that they were great, and he was not, and that his loss of steam in NH was on him, and he promised to do better. I personally hope he begins to own his immigration efforts with Dems in Congress and merely states that while that bill did not work, he will advocate for a better one, and stick to it.
I look for him to be a better candidate from now on. He has much to give.
And as for King Christie, maybe he can look earnestly in the camera when he gets back to Jersey and take that much vaunted "accountability" he touts as Governor, and apologize to the people for taking out his pique at a local mayor by having his operatives and appointees shut down a major highway into NYC. Upon taking "responsibility", since the gavonne in chief is big on "telling it like it is," the only responsible next step should be to step down.
Yeah, right.
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Congratulations to Bernie. I don't see how Mrs Clinton can win this. Many young people simply don't trust her. The telling demographic is that in New Hampshire the only majority of voters in her favor are over 65 years of age.
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Since the election of Ronald Reagan this country has been on a path that shifted us from a broadly based prosperity to an increasing focus of wealth in the hands of a tiny sliver of the population at the top.
The establishments of both major parties have been a part of this trend. The trade deals they championed stripped ordinary Americans of jobs and dignity. The financial 'reforms' they backed helped lead to financial collapse and the great recession of 2008. Hillary Clinton has been there with the establishment all along. Yes, the Clinton campaign made mistakes--talking down to young people and telling female voters that they are going to hell for supporting Sanders is more than a little over the top but you have to give credit to Bernie Sanders for presenting a clear, incisive and compelling message.
Sander's message may not be one the editorial board of the NYT wants to hear but it was music, a mix of Simon & Garfunkle's "America" and Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" to ordinary Americans who are tired of being the 1%'s doormat.
The establishments of both major parties have been a part of this trend. The trade deals they championed stripped ordinary Americans of jobs and dignity. The financial 'reforms' they backed helped lead to financial collapse and the great recession of 2008. Hillary Clinton has been there with the establishment all along. Yes, the Clinton campaign made mistakes--talking down to young people and telling female voters that they are going to hell for supporting Sanders is more than a little over the top but you have to give credit to Bernie Sanders for presenting a clear, incisive and compelling message.
Sander's message may not be one the editorial board of the NYT wants to hear but it was music, a mix of Simon & Garfunkle's "America" and Twisted Sister's "We're Not Gonna Take It" to ordinary Americans who are tired of being the 1%'s doormat.
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McCain campaign manager Steve Schmidt said it best the other day on All In
"Donald Trump is the result of the crisis in the Republican Party. You have a party that has lost the popular vote in five out of the last six elections. You look at a party that is shrinking. Every single demographic in the country that is growing the Republican Party is losing market share, its leadership has been complicit in the prosecution of an incompetently prosecuted war. It has been complicit in spending the country to $19 trillion in debt, abrogating its claims to being the party of fiscal responsibility.And all of the conservative institutionalists and the establishment conservatives, the professional conservatives in Washington have stood idly by during this season of collapse. There are no new ideas in the Republican Party. There are not fresh policies. There is not the intellectual rigor and vigor that you saw out of conservatism in the 1980's. And on top of it all, we live in a country where trust is collapsed in very nearly every institution with the exception of the U.S. military. And you see this playing out additionally on the Democratic side with the rise of
Bernie Sanders."
"Donald Trump is the result of the crisis in the Republican Party. You have a party that has lost the popular vote in five out of the last six elections. You look at a party that is shrinking. Every single demographic in the country that is growing the Republican Party is losing market share, its leadership has been complicit in the prosecution of an incompetently prosecuted war. It has been complicit in spending the country to $19 trillion in debt, abrogating its claims to being the party of fiscal responsibility.And all of the conservative institutionalists and the establishment conservatives, the professional conservatives in Washington have stood idly by during this season of collapse. There are no new ideas in the Republican Party. There are not fresh policies. There is not the intellectual rigor and vigor that you saw out of conservatism in the 1980's. And on top of it all, we live in a country where trust is collapsed in very nearly every institution with the exception of the U.S. military. And you see this playing out additionally on the Democratic side with the rise of
Bernie Sanders."
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The real question now is whether a sufficient number of American voters are angry and spiteful enough to spit into the common soup we all eat out of and elect Donald Trump. I believe there are.
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This indeed looks like a do or die election. If we don't get Sanders, we'll get Trump. Independents, it's going to be up to you.
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Clinton is 0 for 2 in these state contests: Iowa was expected to be at least a 3% win, and New Hampshire was expected to be a loss of 10 or less by some polls. Instead, with ~86% of NH reporting results, we currently have a 21.4% lead for Bernie. The people are sending a clear message: they don't want Hillary to improve or appeal more to black voters or to spend more. They've already made up their mind, as I have: we simply want Bernie.
We can break the Glass Ceiling some other time, with a stronger and less-bribed choice.
We can break the Glass Ceiling some other time, with a stronger and less-bribed choice.
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Any day now, email from anonymous people in the Clinton Campaign will be sending out email questioning his place of birth. Come to think of it, he was born in Brooklyn, a place that many people think is not really a part of America. Get ready to release that birth certificate Bernie.
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Even worse, Bernie should hire an extra security detail, as the same fate may await him as struck Ron Brown. I don't put anything below the Clintons.
"Mrs. Clinton knew she was going to lose the first primary, but she had no reason to panic since she remains well ahead in the next few contests."
Another paper/editorial staff might have noted that Mrs. Clinton lost by much more than expected and has been exposed as a deeply flawed candidate. Her party is trying to seize defeat from the jaws of victory - the GOP field is terrible and voting for Bernie Sanders is a protest vote, he's not going to be president. The Times's support for Clinton is fine - support whom you want - but it's well past coloring the reporting and biasing the facts and framing of facts in all the content. Clinton is reeling, her integrity has been exposed as pragmatic (that is absolutely the best, most gentle description one could possibly choose) and her proposals as uninspiring and ever-changing. Her own party doesn't want her much - her opponents welcome the trouncing. And the Times plays on...
Another paper/editorial staff might have noted that Mrs. Clinton lost by much more than expected and has been exposed as a deeply flawed candidate. Her party is trying to seize defeat from the jaws of victory - the GOP field is terrible and voting for Bernie Sanders is a protest vote, he's not going to be president. The Times's support for Clinton is fine - support whom you want - but it's well past coloring the reporting and biasing the facts and framing of facts in all the content. Clinton is reeling, her integrity has been exposed as pragmatic (that is absolutely the best, most gentle description one could possibly choose) and her proposals as uninspiring and ever-changing. Her own party doesn't want her much - her opponents welcome the trouncing. And the Times plays on...
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In a sense a vote for Bernie is a protest vote - a protest against politics as usual and the status quo of the oligarchy running the country.
But you took it further and said Bernie is "not going to be president". If nothing else, the results in NH are starting to put holes in that line of attack. Or you could simply look at the national polls showing Bernie beating every Republican including Trump by 13%.
Get a clue, Bernie is a serious candidate with a huge and growing base.
But you took it further and said Bernie is "not going to be president". If nothing else, the results in NH are starting to put holes in that line of attack. Or you could simply look at the national polls showing Bernie beating every Republican including Trump by 13%.
Get a clue, Bernie is a serious candidate with a huge and growing base.
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Well, you know I don't really disagree but I really have my doubts and wouldn't vote for him myself. I am a Democrat. I believe in an active government working for the greater good and in taxing the wealthiest - and I suppose I am close to the one percent but not quite in it - to support the greater good. But taxes have limits, free markets have virtues central planning never will achieve - and Bernie's proposals are just too much for me. But I do not like it when someone says "well, I won't vote for him, he can't win" - I had a boss who would always say "I can't do that, my boss would veto it." If it was the right thing to do - DO IT - and let the chips fall. But I don't really support his proposals and I sure as heck wouldn't bet the rent on Bernie Sanders being elected President of the United State.
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I just hope Bill and Chelsey Clinton stay completely out of this. These two are actually doing Hillary a great disservice. Their involvement, kind of seems the Clintons are entitled to the throne. I just hope Hillary takes charge and goes back to civility as in the Democratic Debates, best Bernie on issues he is totally clueless, instead of getting all shrill, loud and character assassinating. Most important, Bill Clinton with his wagging finger should be sent back to his Westchester home in Chappaquah. His presence only makes Hillary look very conniving. She already has a problem of trust and Wall Street connections. You don't need Bill to add fuel to the fire.
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Do you think Bill and Chelsea are operating on their own? Seriously?
The whole thing does make Hillary appear conniving - because she is.
Unfortunately for Hillary, even if she took your suggestion and took her family off the campaign trail, she will still have the trust and integrity problems and the unsavory Wall Street connections.
Where are those transcripts for the Goldman Sachs speeches, Ms. Clinton?
The whole thing does make Hillary appear conniving - because she is.
Unfortunately for Hillary, even if she took your suggestion and took her family off the campaign trail, she will still have the trust and integrity problems and the unsavory Wall Street connections.
Where are those transcripts for the Goldman Sachs speeches, Ms. Clinton?
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Bill is starting to look like a rest home is in order.
Pitch perfect comment. I fully agree. It has been clear to me from the beginning that both Chelsey and Bill are great distractors, that only create a negative image. The fact that Hillary cannot see this shows how alienated she is from the reality of what the general population is feeling and experiencing. Poor judgement This will cost her the election for sure.
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Thanks go to the independents and Democrats who crossed party lines to vote for Trump. Sanders' winning speech was an exercise in fantasy while Clinton's rage could be heard in every word. Both are aging pols from yesteryear with no agendas other than saying over and over "We got to do this or that." Congrats to Trump and his Democrat supporters. He was the only one to graciously congratulate Sanders. The Democrats simply don't get it and never will, I suppose.
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Bigger thanks go to all the Republicans in NH who crossed party lines to vote for Bernie. Bernie only won 50% of his NH votes from registered Dems. All the rest of his votes were cross overs, Republicans and Independents.
Hetty Green must be rolling over in her grave to see Wall Street lay out good money for mere public speaking appearances with nothing but sociableness offered in return. Not only that, but for her to know that the possibility of guests in the Lincoln bedroom having hot water & soap at taxpayer expense, would be more than she could bear. Wall Street has not only gone soft, they're about to offend Grover Nordquist.
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I am really rolling my eyes over the fact that this election is going to be decided by a bunch of dreamy-eyed millennials who have never worked a full-time job and have no idea what it's like to lose 30% of your paycheck to taxes. Bernie Sanders is making all those delightful promises of free this and free that, but anyone with half a clue knows that nothing in life is free. We all know where the money for all that free tuition is going to come from.
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I wonder why they of never worked a full-time jobs?
Oh, yes , there are too few full-time jobs for American workers.
Let's blame millennial for not having non-existing jobs.
Oh, yes , there are too few full-time jobs for American workers.
Let's blame millennial for not having non-existing jobs.
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We all know who has benefited from tax cuts and deficit spending over the past 50 years, and they don't include most millenials. They have been burdened with staggering National debt, and very little hope of achieving a standard of living that even approaches that of so many eye-rollers. Millenials have seen enough rolling eyes to know how exactly much their present and future prospects are valued by older voters, and they are finally standing up for themselves the only way they can.
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Where do you get the idea that millenials have never worked a full time job? My daughter, a 2004 magna cum laude Ivy League graduate at the age of 20, has worked full time for twelve years now. And all her classmates have been working twelve years and all the classes that came after her have been working. What do you think, that millenials are all teens living at home with mom and pop? Grow up.
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Criticizing Sanders in NH is like criticizing someone's "crazy uncle." It is alright for the locals to criticize him but they don't want others to do so.
He was predicted many weeks ago to win in NH because of its proximity to Vermont where he has been a long-time Senator (part of the Establishment) which he tries to distance himself from. So, it is not a big win for him.
SC will be a different outcome if all the polls are correct that are showing Hillary Clinton leading Uncle Bernie by 30% points.
He was predicted many weeks ago to win in NH because of its proximity to Vermont where he has been a long-time Senator (part of the Establishment) which he tries to distance himself from. So, it is not a big win for him.
SC will be a different outcome if all the polls are correct that are showing Hillary Clinton leading Uncle Bernie by 30% points.
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I went to grad school in NH but opted to live in northern Massachusetts because I would not live in a state that required me to use a license plate on myc ar that said 'live free or die'.
I spent my grad school years right along the border of NH, VT and northwest MA, driving up and down, working consulting gigs all over Vermont and NH.
I never sensed that there was much overlap between Vermont and NH. And it is somewhat insulting, akin to Steinem saying young women support Bernie for the boys who support Bernie, to suggest that NH voters blindly voted for a neighboring senator. Both VT and NH seemed quite insular to me when I lived there and VT seemed to be considered much more liberal than NH.
It is an unsubtle diss of Bernie to suggest he won the largest percentage of votes EVER in U.S history of presidential primaries because he is a senator from a neighboring state. Lots of voters asked for cross over ballots yesterday to vote for Bernie.
The internet is full of Bernie Bros and Hillary Hoes, I guess. And, of course, Trump Pussies (to quote the great man himself).
I spent my grad school years right along the border of NH, VT and northwest MA, driving up and down, working consulting gigs all over Vermont and NH.
I never sensed that there was much overlap between Vermont and NH. And it is somewhat insulting, akin to Steinem saying young women support Bernie for the boys who support Bernie, to suggest that NH voters blindly voted for a neighboring senator. Both VT and NH seemed quite insular to me when I lived there and VT seemed to be considered much more liberal than NH.
It is an unsubtle diss of Bernie to suggest he won the largest percentage of votes EVER in U.S history of presidential primaries because he is a senator from a neighboring state. Lots of voters asked for cross over ballots yesterday to vote for Bernie.
The internet is full of Bernie Bros and Hillary Hoes, I guess. And, of course, Trump Pussies (to quote the great man himself).
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Bernie Sander's campaign is definitely gaining momentum, a fact that seems to have panicked the Clinton campaign. Your point that this first primary is a drop in the bucket is true. No need to panic about that.
What to panic about: A poorly run campaign with no compelling message.
Opposing a candidate whose campaign is benefiting greatly from the media having to acknowledge his existence finally and the resulting exposure to millions of more voters who react positively to him.
You don't notice a tsunami coming at you from far offshore until it's too late to do anything about it.
Memo to Clinton campaign: Yes, it really is a tsunami.
What to panic about: A poorly run campaign with no compelling message.
Opposing a candidate whose campaign is benefiting greatly from the media having to acknowledge his existence finally and the resulting exposure to millions of more voters who react positively to him.
You don't notice a tsunami coming at you from far offshore until it's too late to do anything about it.
Memo to Clinton campaign: Yes, it really is a tsunami.
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Great concession speech by Clinton -- her cadence and delivery were vintage Obama. Too little, too late.
As anticipated she leverage the tragedy in Flint where we are told $55M is needed for new pipes.
If the Clintons really are the champions they say they are, why don't offer to foot the cost our the tens of millions they've collected from the banks and corporations?
Then maybe, with a lighter bankbook, the Clintons really could turn the page and try to start walking the walk and talking the talk.
As anticipated she leverage the tragedy in Flint where we are told $55M is needed for new pipes.
If the Clintons really are the champions they say they are, why don't offer to foot the cost our the tens of millions they've collected from the banks and corporations?
Then maybe, with a lighter bankbook, the Clintons really could turn the page and try to start walking the walk and talking the talk.
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What a bizarre statement. The Clintons have been "walking the walk" for many years. Here's a list of just some of the global accomplishments the Clinton Foundation has delivered. Now show me another candidate of either party who has done solid humanitarian work on this scale.
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work
https://www.clintonfoundation.org/our-work
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My god, if she actually funded pipes for Flint, she would have my vote in a heartbeat.
We just don't want her, and there's not much anybody can do about it. It's not about whether or not we are feminists, and we can't help it if it hurts, which I'm sure it must. We object to the lack of democracy in the Democratic Party. We object to the Clinton camp's entitlement, intimidation of other potential candidates, assumption that it's her turn, and indignation that Bernie Sanders should dare to presume to actually compete. We're terrified she's going to royally blow it next fall and land us with a crazy Republican president who doesn't believe in climate change and wants to turn back the clock 100 years. We just don't find her trustworthy. It's actually fairly simple.
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Interesting to read this editorial after NYT endorsed their preferred candidate HC. With today's results, it is clear that Sanders would get more independent votes than HC. He will also attract some Repub votes from low-income white people. The Repub nominee will anyway be an extremist (Trump. Cruz): extremist on issues, women's rights, climate, economy and foreign policy. Sanders clearly is an antidote to this extremism. Calling him "socialist/communist" wont' work, he is an issue-based candidate.
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I recall a group of angry old white guys once that talked about having a government that was by the people and for the people. They even dared to start a revolution to achieve those ends against an entrenched ruling class more powerful than any the world had ever known until then. Many people at the time said they were unrealistic, they were wrongheaded, disloyal and even traitors. Remember them? The founding fathers.
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oh, yeah. We got our Adams; we need a few more. Calling Elizabeth Warren, have we any other patriots ready to ride?
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Great post.
Only about one third of the Colonists were for the revolution. About 1/3 were royalists. 1/3 did not care either way.
Benjamin Franklin understood what radicals the Founding Fathers were when he said that they all had to hang together or they would surely all hang individually.
The same applies today. We can get this done if a big enough number of us are willing to push for it. The results in Iowa and New Hampshire suggest that is possible. Bernie is the guide or leader, but we all have roles to play if this is going to happen. Sitting on the sidleines does nothing to help get it done. No one person can do this alone.
Feel the Bern.
Great post.
Only about one third of the Colonists were for the revolution. About 1/3 were royalists. 1/3 did not care either way.
Benjamin Franklin understood what radicals the Founding Fathers were when he said that they all had to hang together or they would surely all hang individually.
The same applies today. We can get this done if a big enough number of us are willing to push for it. The results in Iowa and New Hampshire suggest that is possible. Bernie is the guide or leader, but we all have roles to play if this is going to happen. Sitting on the sidleines does nothing to help get it done. No one person can do this alone.
Feel the Bern.
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I hope someone at Camp Bernie sees this - and tat he begins to make this part of his stump speech. Very well said. Thanks!
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As for me, I'm putting on walking shoes to canvass for Bernie right here in South Carolina. Yeah, we know, it is a push. Would be so easy to take the soma and let the rulers rule. I want a future for my children and grandchildren and I want the people of this country to be proud of the good we have done; not a nation proud of the vainglorious rich and greedy, not a nation that sports a jack-booted army to swagger around doing harm to the rest of the world and not a nation when our people at home are being marginalized serfs. I am not alone. I don't know how this plays out but it will not be what the establishment expected. And that is a good thing.
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Seems odd - 'she was long expected to lose to Bernie Sanders'. This couldn't perhaps be associated with the fact that the Times endorsed Clinton, and that the reality is near the end of the year in 2015 she was ahead of Sanders again, which in essence does not translate into 'long expected'. I'll forget about the fact that earlier last year, she was ahead of Sanders by 30+ points. It amazes me that the editorial board, rather than issue a congratulatory statement for the winner, tries to spin the facts in an even more obtuse fashion than the Clinton Campaign itself. Sad indeed.
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I'm not sure why pointing out that Bernie Sanders participated in and even hosted DNC fundraising events with Big $$ contributors should hurt Clinton. Is is completely relevant and she would be foolish and the media would be wrong not to discuss that.
Additionally she needs to focus more on pressing Sanders on how he will pay for his specific programs. It isn't enough to just paint them with a broad brush as unachievable because that just makes her sound like a "Debbie Downer" She needs to make sure the voters know what her alternatives are.
And finally lets keep this is perspective. Hillary received the 3rd largest number of votes in NH.
Additionally she needs to focus more on pressing Sanders on how he will pay for his specific programs. It isn't enough to just paint them with a broad brush as unachievable because that just makes her sound like a "Debbie Downer" She needs to make sure the voters know what her alternatives are.
And finally lets keep this is perspective. Hillary received the 3rd largest number of votes in NH.
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What the Clinton campaign seems to not understand is that their failure to connect with the voters has nothing to do with Bernie and everything to do with their candidate. Hillary Clinton carries with her a pile of baggage that is almost insurmountable. Using attacks on Bernie will not forward her cause. She needs to become more authentic and more committed to democrat voters. So far, she has followed an old script, inappropriate for the times, polished and treasured, but useless and outmoded. Young voters are looking for a hero and leader; old voters are looking for commitment and authenticity.
Hillary projects neither, muttering about her hard work and past successes. What was successful about her work on healthcare in the 90's? How did her statesmanship as Secretary of State bring peace to the Middle East? What will she do to raise the wages of average workers, and end the endless flow of cash to the upper 1%? If not universal healthcare, then what "tweaking" of the ACA will she propose to bring healthcare to all Americans now? How will she reign in Wall Street and the big banks when her campaign is in their pockets? We need to know.
Hillary projects neither, muttering about her hard work and past successes. What was successful about her work on healthcare in the 90's? How did her statesmanship as Secretary of State bring peace to the Middle East? What will she do to raise the wages of average workers, and end the endless flow of cash to the upper 1%? If not universal healthcare, then what "tweaking" of the ACA will she propose to bring healthcare to all Americans now? How will she reign in Wall Street and the big banks when her campaign is in their pockets? We need to know.
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Hillary Clinton has publicly discussed all of those topics at length, and is still the only candidate presenting real, workable solutions. Sorry you missed all that. Check her website for details.
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Discussing and doing: two very separate things!
More and more voters are realizing that a win for Clinton is a win for Republicans and another victory for the ruling classes in their war on the middle-class. Clinton is a moderate Republican in all but name. She stands for the establishment, Goldman Sachs retaining control of the treasury, and an elitist educational system that excludes the middle class.
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Under Obama the ruling class has only gained strength. And the gap has grown ever wider between the haves and the have nots. So not sure why you all continue to blame the republicans. And Hillary is part of that dreaded 1%.
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The Clinton Problem: Hillary is a terrible candidate. She is not inspirations, does not have new ideas, and delivers speeches by yelling in monotone. Her only attraction to voters is her traditional Democrat support for Big Government.
Problem? Bernie has outmaneuvered her--by offering the moon, the sun and the stars--and by promising to punish successful people in order to pay for it all.
The only way for Hillary to triumph is by telling the truth--by pointing out that Bernie's dreams are dead on arrival. He is an extremist and a zealot--and has never shown a penchant for compromise--which has been Obama's downfall. Only if yelling is an effective legislative strategy could Bernie Sanders ever achieve anything in Washington. Hint...it hasn't worked so far.
Bottom line? Hillary needs to adopt the eventual Republican message: Bernie is a Socialist--and his ideas are too extreme--too far out of the mainstream to sell.
Question...will a Democrat dare to bash socialism? It's akin to infantrymen--calling in airstrikes on their own position--to avoid being overrun by the enemy. It's a risky strategy--but it's the only one Hillary has. If she doesn't dare to use it, she will lose the nomination to a Socialist pied piper--who simply out-promises her.
Problem? Bernie has outmaneuvered her--by offering the moon, the sun and the stars--and by promising to punish successful people in order to pay for it all.
The only way for Hillary to triumph is by telling the truth--by pointing out that Bernie's dreams are dead on arrival. He is an extremist and a zealot--and has never shown a penchant for compromise--which has been Obama's downfall. Only if yelling is an effective legislative strategy could Bernie Sanders ever achieve anything in Washington. Hint...it hasn't worked so far.
Bottom line? Hillary needs to adopt the eventual Republican message: Bernie is a Socialist--and his ideas are too extreme--too far out of the mainstream to sell.
Question...will a Democrat dare to bash socialism? It's akin to infantrymen--calling in airstrikes on their own position--to avoid being overrun by the enemy. It's a risky strategy--but it's the only one Hillary has. If she doesn't dare to use it, she will lose the nomination to a Socialist pied piper--who simply out-promises her.
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"...she will lose the nomination to a Socialist pied piper--who simply out-promises her. "
It's not about the promises. It's about integrity, honesty, and wanting what's best for ALL the American people.
You sound just like a Republican, and so does Hillary.
It's not about the promises. It's about integrity, honesty, and wanting what's best for ALL the American people.
You sound just like a Republican, and so does Hillary.
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@Marc, it certainly is about the promises. The enthusiasm for Bernie is based on 2 things: free stuff--and punishing successful people--by making them pay for free stuff.
If support for any candidate was "about integrity, honesty and wanting what's best for the country"...there are at least 5 Republican candidates who are a better choice for America than Sanders.
But now will come a new phase in Bernie's political career---the part where both Republicans and Democrats care enough to take a peek under the covers. When they do that, here's what they will find:
A candidate who claims to eschew "big money donors" in politics, endlessly railing about Citizens United and the Koch Brothers--whereby 20 out of 20 of his top campaign contributors are UNIONS. It seems he likes big money--when it's directed HIS way.
A candidate who was caught up in the House Banking Scandal--whereby politicians used the House Bank to float interest-free loans to themselves. He couldn't even handle his own household budget?
A wild-eyed zealot, who has shown zero ability to compromise or to lead in Washington--and thereby has zero accomplishments. Even members of his own party (if he's now a Democrat) have said he's too dogmatic to get along. And if he can't even work with members of his own party--how will he ever reach across the isle to the other side?
The idea of a Sanders nomination is exhilarating--to Conservatives, who lie in wait--to point out what a complete nut-job he is.
If support for any candidate was "about integrity, honesty and wanting what's best for the country"...there are at least 5 Republican candidates who are a better choice for America than Sanders.
But now will come a new phase in Bernie's political career---the part where both Republicans and Democrats care enough to take a peek under the covers. When they do that, here's what they will find:
A candidate who claims to eschew "big money donors" in politics, endlessly railing about Citizens United and the Koch Brothers--whereby 20 out of 20 of his top campaign contributors are UNIONS. It seems he likes big money--when it's directed HIS way.
A candidate who was caught up in the House Banking Scandal--whereby politicians used the House Bank to float interest-free loans to themselves. He couldn't even handle his own household budget?
A wild-eyed zealot, who has shown zero ability to compromise or to lead in Washington--and thereby has zero accomplishments. Even members of his own party (if he's now a Democrat) have said he's too dogmatic to get along. And if he can't even work with members of his own party--how will he ever reach across the isle to the other side?
The idea of a Sanders nomination is exhilarating--to Conservatives, who lie in wait--to point out what a complete nut-job he is.
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This is crazy. Both Iowa and New Hampshire have a strange system for voting in their Primaries. Their states are predominately white and do not reflect the rest of the country and the Press makes it sound like it is over for the other candidates.
The voters of this country put Bush in office twice. The fallout was 2 wars and the worst recession since the 30's. Now they are blaming the establishment which they are a part of. Again they voted in off years or did not vote and the same Republican congress got in .
Do these voters ever ask why there is so much attacking at the Clintons by the right wing and the corporations? Bernie astutely picked up on these attacks and keeps repeating them over and over to create a hypnotic state with his followers.
This election will either show that we are going to continue to recover from the Bush years or we will lose our footing in the world.
Before we go the Socialist route some of you need to travel to other countries and see what it is like to live there and how much bigger we are and diverse we are compared to places like Sweden and Denmark. I have met people from those countries who moved back here because they said it is not as perfect as we seem to think.
The voters of this country put Bush in office twice. The fallout was 2 wars and the worst recession since the 30's. Now they are blaming the establishment which they are a part of. Again they voted in off years or did not vote and the same Republican congress got in .
Do these voters ever ask why there is so much attacking at the Clintons by the right wing and the corporations? Bernie astutely picked up on these attacks and keeps repeating them over and over to create a hypnotic state with his followers.
This election will either show that we are going to continue to recover from the Bush years or we will lose our footing in the world.
Before we go the Socialist route some of you need to travel to other countries and see what it is like to live there and how much bigger we are and diverse we are compared to places like Sweden and Denmark. I have met people from those countries who moved back here because they said it is not as perfect as we seem to think.
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Trump and Sanders are long on promises and short on specifics. Trump will have fantastic advisors who will come up with terrific plans that will make everything wonderful. Sanders will provide free healthcare, free education, etc. The biggest takeaway from the NH primary is that a very large percentage of the electorate are gullible.
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The statute of limitations will have not have run out on some of Wall Street's finest crocks on the date a President Sanders takes office. Bernie should just come out with a list of which Wall Street thieves he will arrest his first day in office. In every election there is a think, for Nixon it was a Silent Majority, for Clinton it was "It is the economy, Stupid." This election cycle it is hatred for Wall Street, and if Bernie plays it right he will be riding a tidal wave of it right into the White House.
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The fact is that Clinton does not have a fraction of the competence her admirers attribute to her. Instead, she has to trot out her husband so he can claim that Sanders also took money for speeches -- as if less than $4,000 in speaking fees and a first class ticket on one occasion can compare to her $21,000,000 and insistence on private jets over two years.
Enough with these people.
Enough with these people.
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Two months ago the older black females I know wanted to do me bodily harm when I said Hillary doesn't have a lock on the nomination. Last Sunday these same ladies told me they are starting to like what Bernie is saying. Once again The Clinton's have believed the hype about their inevitability and once again it looks like they are wrong. Surely there is no disputing the love of the Clinton's in the people of color community. Love doesn't pay the bills and educate the kids though. To portray Bernie as selling pie in the sky is ridicules. For if you can't dream it I doubt if you will work to get it. These ladies I was talking to are in their late seventies and early eighties and they called Hillary ideas old. Even though Bernie is older than Hillary never once did they refer to him as old. I would suggest Hillary start throwing the long ball instead of the safe short passes she has been throwing. Bringing out a visibly older and slower husband is not very inspiring to many people. Wrapping herself around Obama before South Carolina is coming across as pandering to a lot of people of color. Bringing in Madeline Albright and Gloria Steinem to lay a guilt trip on women was totally counterproductive. I truly don’t believe just depending on the gray haired people of color to pull her over the finish line is going to work. Most of the people I talk to may feel obligated to vote for Clinton but very few of them are excited about it.People are getting tired of being taken for granted.
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Sanders didn't merely beat Clinton - he buried her. Moreover, he won in virtually every demographic, includng those - women, independents, white working class men - that Clinton is counting on in upcoming state primaries. Nor did Samders benefit from a so-called neighboring state bump - unless the citizens of VT crossed the border, en masse, to vote in the NH primary.
Clinton is losing, and badly, while Sanders is gaining momentum - that's the real story. It's 2008, redux. Now, as then, the next fight is over black voters. I wouldn't be so smug about that demographic, if I were she (and her advisors) - Bernie was demonstrating and getting arrested at civil rights protests while Clinton was campaigning for Goldwater.
Nor should she change her message - no one would believe her. The problem is that she's making a lawyer's arguments - that she can negotiate deals - to an electorate - the so-called 99% - that wants a general, because it is ready to go to war.
Clinton is losing, and badly, while Sanders is gaining momentum - that's the real story. It's 2008, redux. Now, as then, the next fight is over black voters. I wouldn't be so smug about that demographic, if I were she (and her advisors) - Bernie was demonstrating and getting arrested at civil rights protests while Clinton was campaigning for Goldwater.
Nor should she change her message - no one would believe her. The problem is that she's making a lawyer's arguments - that she can negotiate deals - to an electorate - the so-called 99% - that wants a general, because it is ready to go to war.
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For the candidates who go on, the trick is not letting these results go to their heads, or get under their skins.
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Bad advice, actually. The sooner the candidates embrace reality and quit denying the facts on the ground the closer they become to the American voter.
Hillary is not going to win. Women are not making inroads overall, in workplace and in our shared culture. The elites are out of touch. There won't be a woman president, or another black president, or any "identity" president elected in a loooong time.
Performance matters.
Obama disappointed.
This election is a referendum on where the Dems have led us in the past 8 years. People are abandoning the party en masse. The elites don't see it yet.
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Bad advice, actually. The sooner the candidates embrace reality and quit denying the facts on the ground the closer they become to the American voter.
Hillary is not going to win. Women are not making inroads overall, in workplace and in our shared culture. The elites are out of touch. There won't be a woman president, or another black president, or any "identity" president elected in a loooong time.
Performance matters.
Obama disappointed.
This election is a referendum on where the Dems have led us in the past 8 years. People are abandoning the party en masse. The elites don't see it yet.
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The problem for all those launching attacks and spin against Bernie Sanders is that he comes across as a thoroughly decent, down-to-earth man with sensible ideas when you actually listen to him. It's the status quo economic inequality and corruption of politics we've become accustomed to that actually seems "radical" and insane when you stop and take a step back. We need a president who will truly fight for the middle and working class in the US. There's no telling what could be accomplished if the electorate, forget about the mainstream press, would get behind Sanders. Look, when the ranks of the "downtrodden" have arguably swelled to a population majority, and that majority wakes up to it, change is gonna come... As much as anything else, the huge upswell of support for Sanders among the young suggests that up-and-coming generations have healthily diversified their media diet, since most corporate-owned newspapers and television outlets have tried to marginalize him from the beginning. The corporate media effectively ignored Lawrence Lessig, who tried valiantly to raise the issue of campaign finance, but Sanders has broken through their firewall. Also ignored is the Green Party's Jill Stein, but many of us support her efforts to build a desperately needed third party. Watch out world, the college education of our young may have put them deep in debt, but it also taught them to think critically about what's going on around them...
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With only about 40% of the people in this country over 16 working full-time, the conversation in this country needs to be about economic enfranchisement in the new "robot" economy. Only two candidates, Trump and Sanders, appear to have even dimly realized or acknowledged this, and to offer contrasting (and debatable) solutions. For the good of the country, this conversation needs to be open and explicit and this whole sorry group of candidates needs to participate in it. That figure, 40% of people over 16 employed, is a far more telling figure than any unemployment rate.
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Hillary & Bill's defense of her speaking fees from Goldman is enlightening. Not only will she not be influenced by payments like these, she will actively work against the interests of the Goldmans of the world. She will bite the hand that feeds her.
I have a problem with that on so many levels. First, it's probably a lie. But if not, I don't want a President who takes support from an individual or entity and then actively works against him, her or it. Call me old fashioned. It's a moral issue.
All this to say that the Clintons want this so badly that they'll grasp at any straw, say anything - to the point that they look disingenuous and contradict themselves repeatedly.
And that's why they are having problems with support from young women voters. These voters are not dumb or malleable as in the day when their fathers and husbands strongly influenced their voting choices. Now Steinam and Albright have taken the role of the fathers and husbands. The younger women resent it.
Kudos to these young women. They've made the transition from identity politics, group think and paranoia to independent thought. That's true freedom and equality.
I have a problem with that on so many levels. First, it's probably a lie. But if not, I don't want a President who takes support from an individual or entity and then actively works against him, her or it. Call me old fashioned. It's a moral issue.
All this to say that the Clintons want this so badly that they'll grasp at any straw, say anything - to the point that they look disingenuous and contradict themselves repeatedly.
And that's why they are having problems with support from young women voters. These voters are not dumb or malleable as in the day when their fathers and husbands strongly influenced their voting choices. Now Steinam and Albright have taken the role of the fathers and husbands. The younger women resent it.
Kudos to these young women. They've made the transition from identity politics, group think and paranoia to independent thought. That's true freedom and equality.
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At 2:28 AM with 89% of the precincts reporting, according to the NYT site the number of people who voted GOP was 263,035, while 231,311 people voted Democratic. In 2008 in New Hampshire 287,542 votes were cast for Democratic candidates, while 238,979 voted Republican. It's possible that when 100% of precincts are counted the number of Democratic voters will at least tie the 2008 count, but I doubt it.
The number of New Hampshire voters who voted Democratic would seem to undercut the Sanders Campaign's assertion that there was a record turnout, which if actually true would have lent support to the idea that a Sanders political revolution is occurring.
In Iowa we do have the actual number of Democratic and GOP voters. The GOP turnout went up 57% from 2008, while the number of Democratic voters went down by 28%. Once again the numbers undercut Sen. Sanders's political revolution.
Of course it's entirely possible that Democratic numbers will surge in coming contests.
Mrs. Clinton shouldn't panic over the New Hampshire result because Sen. Sanders was widely expected to get the result he did, and there are more favorable states in her future. However, Sen. Sanders and Mrs. Clinton may have to craft a plan to work together if the GOP voter turnout continues the way it has so far, because the political revolution seems to be happening on their side.
The number of New Hampshire voters who voted Democratic would seem to undercut the Sanders Campaign's assertion that there was a record turnout, which if actually true would have lent support to the idea that a Sanders political revolution is occurring.
In Iowa we do have the actual number of Democratic and GOP voters. The GOP turnout went up 57% from 2008, while the number of Democratic voters went down by 28%. Once again the numbers undercut Sen. Sanders's political revolution.
Of course it's entirely possible that Democratic numbers will surge in coming contests.
Mrs. Clinton shouldn't panic over the New Hampshire result because Sen. Sanders was widely expected to get the result he did, and there are more favorable states in her future. However, Sen. Sanders and Mrs. Clinton may have to craft a plan to work together if the GOP voter turnout continues the way it has so far, because the political revolution seems to be happening on their side.
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Bernie Sanders may promise the moon and the stars, but I highly doubt he can deliver his socialistic policies proposals with a stubborn Congress. I'm a realist, even I can tell which policies are probable and which are not. The problem with today's millenial voters is, they fail to see how the political system today works and how the steps it takes to bring Sander's ideals to fruition such as $15 minimum wage, medicare-for-all, and free college. Congress and the President must work together in order to make the new law happen. Compared to Sanders's policies, Hillary's progressive policies are believable and is more likely to be implemented.
When this Democratic election is over, I hope the Bernie Sanders supporters, especially his millennials, reassessed their decisions into backing Hillary if she secure the Democratic nomination. Don't allow your personal feelings against Hillary cloud your judgment. There is so much at stake in this 2016 election, we can't afford to hand the White House over to the Republicans who will undeniably reverse every Obama legislation as well as appoint three new conservative Supreme Justices.
When this Democratic election is over, I hope the Bernie Sanders supporters, especially his millennials, reassessed their decisions into backing Hillary if she secure the Democratic nomination. Don't allow your personal feelings against Hillary cloud your judgment. There is so much at stake in this 2016 election, we can't afford to hand the White House over to the Republicans who will undeniably reverse every Obama legislation as well as appoint three new conservative Supreme Justices.
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Spot on.
If you have not noticed, the current President is a democrat and he could not deal with a Republican congress either. They are in no mood to compromise, even those from their own party.
Guess what you all who hate socialist capitalism.. Time to take away your medicare, your soc. sec., your public schools, your police, your firemen. How does all of that sound? !! Pay for privatized highways..(more tolls than at present) More people begging or committing crime because there's no welfare. Happy with picture? I forgot no regulation of Wall St.==bill Clinton did try that one and then the socialist government bailed out the big players.. so much fun.
The relentless Clinton spin machine, which has been fogging our brains for a quarter-century, will be in overdrive from this day forward trying to convince us that 38 percent of the vote constitutes a victory. Its capacity for delusion and denial is breathtaking, without ever slowing down enough to fathom the degree to which the candidate is neither liked nor trusted.
Recalling Mrs. Clinton's lack of graciousness long after the nomination had been settled eight years ago, there's no reason to expect anything other than more sulking bitterness if the outcome is the same this time, too. An overweening sense of entitlement leaves no room for magnanimity.
By earning 60 percent of the vote, a landslide by any standard, Sen. Sanders proved the power of a campaign that's entirely about us. Mrs. Clinton, on the other hand, can't shake the perception that it's all about her. Because, just as in 2008, it is.
Starting today, there's going to be so much toxic sludge hurled at Sen. Sanders that he's best advised to start wearing a hazmat suit. Win or lose, from now on, rest assured that Mrs. Clinton is going to make it ugly.
Recalling Mrs. Clinton's lack of graciousness long after the nomination had been settled eight years ago, there's no reason to expect anything other than more sulking bitterness if the outcome is the same this time, too. An overweening sense of entitlement leaves no room for magnanimity.
By earning 60 percent of the vote, a landslide by any standard, Sen. Sanders proved the power of a campaign that's entirely about us. Mrs. Clinton, on the other hand, can't shake the perception that it's all about her. Because, just as in 2008, it is.
Starting today, there's going to be so much toxic sludge hurled at Sen. Sanders that he's best advised to start wearing a hazmat suit. Win or lose, from now on, rest assured that Mrs. Clinton is going to make it ugly.
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It is only New Hampshire. There will be a correction come Super Tuesday. It is always Ohio, Ohio, Ohio.
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The idea that Hillary fights down and dirty must seem irresistible to Hillary detractors and Bernie supporters. But for Hillary supporters, the Bernie onslaught has already been rough and tumble. For Hillary supporters, listening to Bernie means listening to a near constant impugning of her trustworthiness, judgment and character. For us, Bernie sets the tone for the Bernie Bros on line. I keep reading Bernie supporters claim that Bernie is just talking about ideas but it seems very different than that to me: he slurs her with every passage of most of his speeches. Then there are the moments when he says that he has been friends with Hillary for 25 years: that is when we know he is about to sink the knife in deeply. This accounts for the very low regard some of us have for Bernie and his new machine.
We also fear that he cannot win the general and that he cannot govern: that he lacks all the skills and attributes we see in our candidate.
We also fear that he cannot win the general and that he cannot govern: that he lacks all the skills and attributes we see in our candidate.
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A majority of the electorate is registering in the voting booth its recognition that the political and economic establishments have failed for many, many years as stewards of the economy and of good governance. The depth and duration of the failure has been felt keenly by tens of millions of families.
Amidst this reality how likely is it that a messaging makeover will prompt voters to embrace a candidate from an immediate family (1) seeking the presidency for the 4th time in 7 elections, (2) whose policy decisions and votes enabled excesses of incarceration, permanent losses of millions of jobs through trade deals and loose financial regulation, and a misbegotten war, and (3) which went from "dead broke" to "1%"? For doing what? Cashing-in.
Amidst this reality how likely is it that a messaging makeover will prompt voters to embrace a candidate from an immediate family (1) seeking the presidency for the 4th time in 7 elections, (2) whose policy decisions and votes enabled excesses of incarceration, permanent losses of millions of jobs through trade deals and loose financial regulation, and a misbegotten war, and (3) which went from "dead broke" to "1%"? For doing what? Cashing-in.
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I find it slightly amusing that the media has jumped all over Hillary losing New Hampshire and all but proclaimed she will relive her 2008 nightmare, despite polls saying that Sanders would win by a huge margin.
Yes, there are legitimate concerns in Clinton's campaign, but two of the whitest and most liberal states in our country do not accurately reflect the ethnic and ideological diversity of the modern Democratic Party. To many disgruntled far-leftists, Bernie is nothing short of a saint, when he is another typical politician who votes in his interests (gun control) and wasn't even a Democrat until a couple months ago. His supporters are the same people who believe we can enact more big government programs in an era of unprecedented partisanship through a "revolution" that can change a Republican-engineered gerrymandered political environment.
I believe that the worst is over for Clinton, as her support among African-Americans, Hispanics, and moderates (all of whom consist a majority of the party) is very high. Bernie can't compete in later states because most Democrats don't believe his economic plan is conceivable and his lack of experience in foreign affairs is commensurate to Ted Cruz. They will choose a candidate who can protect and expand on Obama's progress. That is what a true progressive is: someone who makes progress. Hence, it's logical to conclude that all liberals are progressive, not merely the self-anointed gatekeeper of purity himself, Bernie Sanders.
Yes, there are legitimate concerns in Clinton's campaign, but two of the whitest and most liberal states in our country do not accurately reflect the ethnic and ideological diversity of the modern Democratic Party. To many disgruntled far-leftists, Bernie is nothing short of a saint, when he is another typical politician who votes in his interests (gun control) and wasn't even a Democrat until a couple months ago. His supporters are the same people who believe we can enact more big government programs in an era of unprecedented partisanship through a "revolution" that can change a Republican-engineered gerrymandered political environment.
I believe that the worst is over for Clinton, as her support among African-Americans, Hispanics, and moderates (all of whom consist a majority of the party) is very high. Bernie can't compete in later states because most Democrats don't believe his economic plan is conceivable and his lack of experience in foreign affairs is commensurate to Ted Cruz. They will choose a candidate who can protect and expand on Obama's progress. That is what a true progressive is: someone who makes progress. Hence, it's logical to conclude that all liberals are progressive, not merely the self-anointed gatekeeper of purity himself, Bernie Sanders.
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I suppose then that Richard Nixon was a progressive because he was instrumental in enacting environmental protections and the EPA. That definition of progressive is so watered down that it's meaningless. Clinton is a neo liberal through and through.
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By Hillary's watered downed definition of the term progressive, Richard Nixon, having helped to enact major environmental protections and the EPA, would be a progressive. She's intentionally made the definition vague and meaningless to mask the fact that she is a neoliberal through and through.
The NY Times editorial board still does not get it or perhaps more accurately will not admit the facts on the ground. Hilary Clinton is not going to win the nomination.
This vote on the part of registered Democrats and more importantly registered independent voters is not to be dismissed as simply resentment.
What we have here is a cede change in the philosophy of government of the part of the American people. The oligarchy as characterized by the corporations and the 1% have broken the social contract with the American citizenry.
When corporations move abroad to avoid taxes, when telecommunication corporations break the rules of universal service and abandon large areas of the country to third world quality communications, when coal companies kill their workers through lax safety practices and carbon energy companies destabilize the earth, polute ground water and use eminent domain to destroy people's property to sell American public resources overseas, When getting the higher education necessary for a good job demands a life so debt servitude, when health care becomes equally unaffordable for large portions of the population, then it is not resentment for the body politic to demand change.
This is what is driving the rejection of party politics on both the left and the right. What Bernie Sanders offers is a democratic socialist solution to the oligarchy. It is unfortunate that the New York Times Editorial Board is too beholding to Wall Street to admit this.
This vote on the part of registered Democrats and more importantly registered independent voters is not to be dismissed as simply resentment.
What we have here is a cede change in the philosophy of government of the part of the American people. The oligarchy as characterized by the corporations and the 1% have broken the social contract with the American citizenry.
When corporations move abroad to avoid taxes, when telecommunication corporations break the rules of universal service and abandon large areas of the country to third world quality communications, when coal companies kill their workers through lax safety practices and carbon energy companies destabilize the earth, polute ground water and use eminent domain to destroy people's property to sell American public resources overseas, When getting the higher education necessary for a good job demands a life so debt servitude, when health care becomes equally unaffordable for large portions of the population, then it is not resentment for the body politic to demand change.
This is what is driving the rejection of party politics on both the left and the right. What Bernie Sanders offers is a democratic socialist solution to the oligarchy. It is unfortunate that the New York Times Editorial Board is too beholding to Wall Street to admit this.
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Congratulations to Mr. Kasich. Of all the candidates, he is honestly (I say this with multiple meanings) the only candidate I feel is a reasonably normal person.
If the Republican Party could expel the rest of the crew that placed 3rd and below in New Hampshire, turn the primary into a contest between a traditional candidate who has a reasonable sense of what government is, how it works, and can formulate reasonable plans to accomplish reasonable goals against the ridiculous kook provocateur Trump, I could live with a Republican president in the person of Mr. Kasich. I believe this in effect is the message New Hampshire is sending.
I love the rhetoric of fairness and equality, and Sanders' heart is in the right place, but there really isn't a single candidate besides Kasich that I could see as president without losing sleep over the notion.
The primary process has become a kind of ideological contest divorced from the question of basic political and mental competence, and I'm starting to get scared we're playing Russian roulette with the nation's future.
But I'll say this to Republicans: if Kasich is not the nominee, I will certainly vote for Sanders or Hillary, however reluctantly. Nominate Kasich, get rid of trump and the rest of the weirdos, and I'll consider Kasich. After all is said and done, the man is competent, decent and nice, and a good man. He looks better every minute, even to a liberal.
And the man is steady and resilient, big time.
If the Republican Party could expel the rest of the crew that placed 3rd and below in New Hampshire, turn the primary into a contest between a traditional candidate who has a reasonable sense of what government is, how it works, and can formulate reasonable plans to accomplish reasonable goals against the ridiculous kook provocateur Trump, I could live with a Republican president in the person of Mr. Kasich. I believe this in effect is the message New Hampshire is sending.
I love the rhetoric of fairness and equality, and Sanders' heart is in the right place, but there really isn't a single candidate besides Kasich that I could see as president without losing sleep over the notion.
The primary process has become a kind of ideological contest divorced from the question of basic political and mental competence, and I'm starting to get scared we're playing Russian roulette with the nation's future.
But I'll say this to Republicans: if Kasich is not the nominee, I will certainly vote for Sanders or Hillary, however reluctantly. Nominate Kasich, get rid of trump and the rest of the weirdos, and I'll consider Kasich. After all is said and done, the man is competent, decent and nice, and a good man. He looks better every minute, even to a liberal.
And the man is steady and resilient, big time.
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It will be difficult but I suggest that HRC use her experience in fundraising to explain to the public why it is corrupting. Mr. Trump confessed early in the campaign that he could buy members of Congress and he had. The Clintons could make a similar confession and use this experience to propose of system for public financing that would give voters and equal weight in determining government.
I like the non-transferable political payment certificate idea that would give every new voter, say $20,000, in political payment certificates that they could donate to candidates that they choose. Sort of a one person one vote idea.
Vendors and workers would be paid from these donations and they could could exchange them for real money at any Federal Reserve.
I also think the Clintons and the Sen. Sanders could work together to formulate how the country could achieve fair and proportional representation in Congress by eliminating redistricting. I know we must wait until the census but they could propose a redistricting scheme and formulate a proxy so that they would educate the public on the flaws of gerrymandering.
i also suggest that they discuss the revolving door and purchase of diplomatic posts and executive posts in the Administration and pledge to not engage in these staffing practices.
Finally, Senator Sanders & Mrs. Clinton should make a joint effort to debate as much as possible up to the primary date, on prime time TV.
Dems have a super advantage in global warming.
I like the non-transferable political payment certificate idea that would give every new voter, say $20,000, in political payment certificates that they could donate to candidates that they choose. Sort of a one person one vote idea.
Vendors and workers would be paid from these donations and they could could exchange them for real money at any Federal Reserve.
I also think the Clintons and the Sen. Sanders could work together to formulate how the country could achieve fair and proportional representation in Congress by eliminating redistricting. I know we must wait until the census but they could propose a redistricting scheme and formulate a proxy so that they would educate the public on the flaws of gerrymandering.
i also suggest that they discuss the revolving door and purchase of diplomatic posts and executive posts in the Administration and pledge to not engage in these staffing practices.
Finally, Senator Sanders & Mrs. Clinton should make a joint effort to debate as much as possible up to the primary date, on prime time TV.
Dems have a super advantage in global warming.
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I am reminded of the old Phil Ochs song Love me I'm a Liberal.
The United States is not Canada and Hillary's vision did remarkably well in Canada but it never succeeded politically in the States. We have equal pay, we have single payer, we have virtually every thing Hillary is campaigning for yet fifty years ago we were way behind the US.
Here in Quebec we had church run schools, hospitals and welfare, low taxes and married women shared equal rights with dogs.
It is impossible for me to oppose the Hillary's social philosophy yet in 2016 she is running on her ability to establish a society that provides equality of opportunity for all.
I cannot come close to describing how conservative Quebec society was 50 years ago yet in 2016 here in Quebec Bernie Sanders is a centrist. We have everything Bernie wants.
As for Hillary our last Premier Pauline Marois made Hillary Clinton seem soft and gentle. Women in Quebec are full citizens keeping the name they were born with till death and only being unequal in something society as no control over size and strength. Gay marriage is no longer worthy of discussion it is a social norm. Here in Quebec Hillary is a conservative. Hillary's only problem is choosing the wrong place and the wrong time. She would have been a great President in 1980 and maybe the greatest President ever in 1968.
Here in Quebec we had a Bernie Sanders revolution we call it the quiet revolution and it is good.
The United States is not Canada and Hillary's vision did remarkably well in Canada but it never succeeded politically in the States. We have equal pay, we have single payer, we have virtually every thing Hillary is campaigning for yet fifty years ago we were way behind the US.
Here in Quebec we had church run schools, hospitals and welfare, low taxes and married women shared equal rights with dogs.
It is impossible for me to oppose the Hillary's social philosophy yet in 2016 she is running on her ability to establish a society that provides equality of opportunity for all.
I cannot come close to describing how conservative Quebec society was 50 years ago yet in 2016 here in Quebec Bernie Sanders is a centrist. We have everything Bernie wants.
As for Hillary our last Premier Pauline Marois made Hillary Clinton seem soft and gentle. Women in Quebec are full citizens keeping the name they were born with till death and only being unequal in something society as no control over size and strength. Gay marriage is no longer worthy of discussion it is a social norm. Here in Quebec Hillary is a conservative. Hillary's only problem is choosing the wrong place and the wrong time. She would have been a great President in 1980 and maybe the greatest President ever in 1968.
Here in Quebec we had a Bernie Sanders revolution we call it the quiet revolution and it is good.
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I don't think the media has done Hillary Clinton any favors. And it's not because they don't like her. It's because they do.
The aura of inevitability was strongly supported by MSM. And it was a weird mix of different parts: it's her turn; she's still standing after decades of attacks; she's the most prepared; she has the support of minorities; we need a woman president, etc.
If you support her, you can say that stuff all you want. But in their drive to create rather than simply report the news, the media started saying all this as fact--and fact that was supposed to trump any other interest, such as the voters themselves.
That was combined with a virtual media blackout of Sanders.
If the media had done their job--not choosing our president for us, not reporting opinion as fact, not showing clear favoritism, and acknowledging the supremacy of the voter over their own wishes--she'd be doing better now, especially among voters on the fence about her vs Sanders.
The aura of inevitability was strongly supported by MSM. And it was a weird mix of different parts: it's her turn; she's still standing after decades of attacks; she's the most prepared; she has the support of minorities; we need a woman president, etc.
If you support her, you can say that stuff all you want. But in their drive to create rather than simply report the news, the media started saying all this as fact--and fact that was supposed to trump any other interest, such as the voters themselves.
That was combined with a virtual media blackout of Sanders.
If the media had done their job--not choosing our president for us, not reporting opinion as fact, not showing clear favoritism, and acknowledging the supremacy of the voter over their own wishes--she'd be doing better now, especially among voters on the fence about her vs Sanders.
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I hate the way the Clinton campaign is imploding. Yes I am a Hillary supporter. The way democratic sentiment on this website is trending, I'm almost afraid to admit this.
I actually didn't become 100% committed, until the Benghazi hearings, where she blew me away with her steely resolve and stamina. Frankly I don't think that got enough press: to hear trey Gowdy actually admit they learned nothing new without admitting there was no there there.
But I read all of the comments full of vitriol against Clinton, and see how unpopular she is within her own party, and the fight she faces. Last night I found myself wishing hillary was Elizabeth Warren running - man that would be a race.
Okay I'm going to say it: I can't get excited about Bernie Sanders. I hear his speeches, understand what he saying and and agree with it except for some proposals which seem outrageously untenable. But as I watch all the excitement about this candidate it just strikes me how many weaknesses he has as a presidential candidate--flaws his supporters refuse to discuss.
Foreign policy? That's more than half the job, sometimes all the job for a period of weeks or months, and Sanders avoids it. And his political background? The Republican campaign ads will write themselves.
Ok I'm going to say it and steel myself for all the piling on to come: unless the Democrats produce a deus ex machina candidate more likely likeable than Hillary but as well rounded as Hillary, this election is lost.
I actually didn't become 100% committed, until the Benghazi hearings, where she blew me away with her steely resolve and stamina. Frankly I don't think that got enough press: to hear trey Gowdy actually admit they learned nothing new without admitting there was no there there.
But I read all of the comments full of vitriol against Clinton, and see how unpopular she is within her own party, and the fight she faces. Last night I found myself wishing hillary was Elizabeth Warren running - man that would be a race.
Okay I'm going to say it: I can't get excited about Bernie Sanders. I hear his speeches, understand what he saying and and agree with it except for some proposals which seem outrageously untenable. But as I watch all the excitement about this candidate it just strikes me how many weaknesses he has as a presidential candidate--flaws his supporters refuse to discuss.
Foreign policy? That's more than half the job, sometimes all the job for a period of weeks or months, and Sanders avoids it. And his political background? The Republican campaign ads will write themselves.
Ok I'm going to say it and steel myself for all the piling on to come: unless the Democrats produce a deus ex machina candidate more likely likeable than Hillary but as well rounded as Hillary, this election is lost.
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I understand your predicament, Christine.
I am from New York and Hillary represented NY in the Senate, as you know. What concerns me about her is her lack of judgment.
Her vote on the Iraq war was wrong. If you look at some of Nick Kristof's columns from that time, you'll see that Nick did predict more or less what ensued after the Iraq invasion, as did Sanders, by the way.
The speaking fees from Wall Street firms that she earned from Wall St firms also brings her judgment into question.
As for Benghazi, yes, she did acquit herself fairly well, but one question still troubles me. When asked if she had direct contact with Amb. Stevens between May 2012 when he was sworn in and Sept. 2012 when he died, she said she didn't recall. Libya was an important to her and she didn't have direct contact with our envoy there?
When Albright said, "There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!," Mrs. Clinton yukked it up. You have to be tone deaf not to have realized that it would not go well with women Sanders supporters. Judgment again.
I understand your concerns about Sanders as well, but I wouldn't write him off, especially if Trump (misogynist issue) or Kasich (Lehman brothers connection) is nominated.
Regardless of who the Democrats nominate, GOP will attack relentlessly. Gore and Kerry had no business losing to W, yet they did. I'm sure you remember how the GOP used Kerry's Vietnam service against him, while W who didn't serve went on to win.
I am from New York and Hillary represented NY in the Senate, as you know. What concerns me about her is her lack of judgment.
Her vote on the Iraq war was wrong. If you look at some of Nick Kristof's columns from that time, you'll see that Nick did predict more or less what ensued after the Iraq invasion, as did Sanders, by the way.
The speaking fees from Wall Street firms that she earned from Wall St firms also brings her judgment into question.
As for Benghazi, yes, she did acquit herself fairly well, but one question still troubles me. When asked if she had direct contact with Amb. Stevens between May 2012 when he was sworn in and Sept. 2012 when he died, she said she didn't recall. Libya was an important to her and she didn't have direct contact with our envoy there?
When Albright said, "There’s a special place in hell for women who don’t help each other!," Mrs. Clinton yukked it up. You have to be tone deaf not to have realized that it would not go well with women Sanders supporters. Judgment again.
I understand your concerns about Sanders as well, but I wouldn't write him off, especially if Trump (misogynist issue) or Kasich (Lehman brothers connection) is nominated.
Regardless of who the Democrats nominate, GOP will attack relentlessly. Gore and Kerry had no business losing to W, yet they did. I'm sure you remember how the GOP used Kerry's Vietnam service against him, while W who didn't serve went on to win.
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I think you are totally off base. Mr. Sanders has a focus on economic inequality, and this carries many other issues in its wake, including gender inequality and racial discrimination. This is a very important and potent focus, and, if he continues as he has, it may well earn him the Presidency -- deservedly. We've had any number of posturing chicken-hawk bomb-bomb-bomb warriors (as well as military incompetents) who have offered us cheap palliative talk about barriers, bombs, and school-boy bullying. Photo-Ops on aircraft carriers -- "you're either with us or against us" --etc., etc. Where has it all gotten us? Hillary's cynical support of the Iraq invasion helped give us ISIS. I have much more respect for Mr. Obama as Commander in Chief than I ever did for George W. Bush; look at the surgically precise way he took out bin Laden. I believe that when Mr. Sanders turns his attention to military and security matters, he'll be closer to the Obama model than the Trump/Bush type posturing, and we'll be the better for it! Feel the bern!
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Boy, did you just say exactly what i've been feeling. If Hillary does not get the nom, I will bust my but for Bernie but with such a heavy heart and a bit of worry.
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The media, the same one that keeps putting Trump in the spotlight while ignoring Bernie hasn't caught up to what America is feeling about Bernie. Even Trump thanked the media for keeping his campaign spending low due to all the free publicity. In fact, the media is creating Trump's winning position when that wasn't their intent.
We have seen Obama turn into a Neoliberal and Hillary keeps promising to follow his lead. Democratic voters are not happy with this direction and therefore not happy with Hillary. She is now turning off women of her own generation when her team cries sexism. Just goes to show how she will stop at nothing, even attacking other women, to win votes.
Why hasn't any journalist found transcripts of her speeches to big business? I'm sure they have sources. Instead they keep protecting Hillary when just 8 years ago they pushed her under the bus in favor of Obama.
It's time the Democratic Party shows Bernie some respect because Biden will not be the savior. But the more you sideline him, the more his donations will grow. Or, better yet, become the party it used to be. Win back Congress, fix Obamacare, and bring back jobs to America!
We have seen Obama turn into a Neoliberal and Hillary keeps promising to follow his lead. Democratic voters are not happy with this direction and therefore not happy with Hillary. She is now turning off women of her own generation when her team cries sexism. Just goes to show how she will stop at nothing, even attacking other women, to win votes.
Why hasn't any journalist found transcripts of her speeches to big business? I'm sure they have sources. Instead they keep protecting Hillary when just 8 years ago they pushed her under the bus in favor of Obama.
It's time the Democratic Party shows Bernie some respect because Biden will not be the savior. But the more you sideline him, the more his donations will grow. Or, better yet, become the party it used to be. Win back Congress, fix Obamacare, and bring back jobs to America!
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Ok, if you want Hillary to hand out transcripts of all her speeches to big business, then ask all the other candidates running for president to do the same.
It would seem that the American public are getting use to Hillary Clinton being put on the hot seat and having to defend herself all the time, mainly due to the continuous and relentless investigations by the Benghazi Committee which lead to questioning about her email, etc.
It is time to stop this inquisition of Hillary Clinton. Anyone with a sense of decency and fairness can see that it is politically motivated, just as this call for transcripts of her speeches is politically motivated.
It would seem that the American public are getting use to Hillary Clinton being put on the hot seat and having to defend herself all the time, mainly due to the continuous and relentless investigations by the Benghazi Committee which lead to questioning about her email, etc.
It is time to stop this inquisition of Hillary Clinton. Anyone with a sense of decency and fairness can see that it is politically motivated, just as this call for transcripts of her speeches is politically motivated.
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Good comment. Quoting another NYT article today: "Democrats acknowledged on Tuesday that the anger that rippled through the Republican electorate had also crossed party lines..." Well duh. Where has the democratic leadership and the corporate media been for the past 12 months? Do they really think rank and file democrats support the establishment, support Wall Street, support more wars? Do they really think it is only republican rank and file that finds fault with the direction this country is going? The reasons behind the discontent on each side are decidedly different--polar opposites (except when it comes to Wall Street where there is broad agreement)--but that doesn't change the fact that just about everyone finds the current state of affairs to be disgusting, repugnant, despicable, loathsome, corrupt, biased and rotten as hell.
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It is truly unfortunate that the New York Times can not be objective. Where are the upbeat articles?
Bernie trounced Clinton even after she brought out her husband and daughter and invoked the female card with two old has-beens - the only special place in hell is for Clinton and her sickening cronies!
Feel the Bern!
Bernie trounced Clinton even after she brought out her husband and daughter and invoked the female card with two old has-beens - the only special place in hell is for Clinton and her sickening cronies!
Feel the Bern!
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It was totally expected the Sanders would win NH. I actually thought it would be by a greater margin. So really, there's nothing much to talk about.
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The solid support for a candidate seeking to recalibrate our notions of economic fairness away from the worship of corporate values and greed, looks to be what Hillary Clinton's friends on Wall Street call a CORRECTION.
When market phenomena get inflated out of all proportion to their actual, underlying worth, a sudden implosion is inevitable, revealing the fundamentals as they really are. With a Sanders triumph we get back in touch with our national fundamentals of authentic democracy and aspirations to fairness and justice, rather than the idolization of wealth and greed.
When market phenomena get inflated out of all proportion to their actual, underlying worth, a sudden implosion is inevitable, revealing the fundamentals as they really are. With a Sanders triumph we get back in touch with our national fundamentals of authentic democracy and aspirations to fairness and justice, rather than the idolization of wealth and greed.
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It would behoove supporters of Sanders and of Clinton to keep in mind that they must ultimately unite in opposition to whoever the Republicans put forward and to vote. The future of this country depends on it.
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Can anyone else smell the fear, disbelief and anger in the full of 1%ers Clinton camp?
Suddenly Nevada is a MUST WIN for Clinton - if she loses Nevada the game is over.
Fortunately for all the Clinton fans, Nevada's voting demographic is nothing like South Carolina's ; Unfortunately it's just more like Colorado, and a large demographic portion of California and Oregon -
Hillary's game is almost over.
Suddenly Nevada is a MUST WIN for Clinton - if she loses Nevada the game is over.
Fortunately for all the Clinton fans, Nevada's voting demographic is nothing like South Carolina's ; Unfortunately it's just more like Colorado, and a large demographic portion of California and Oregon -
Hillary's game is almost over.
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Hillary - you gave a great speech tonight. Keep going with that. You are the better candidate and you don't have to tear Bernie down. Stay strong, smart, and open and you will do well.
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Dear New York Times: please give it up. Hillary Clinton is not the future. You have misread the tea leaves. People don't like her. People don't want her. It's not that she's a woman; it's that she's for sale (Goldman Sachs) and Bernie Sanders is not. It's real out here; income inequality is not an intellectual discussion at a Starbuck's. She doesn't address it because she doesn't care. She can't accept donations to the family foundation and deposit campaign contributions (sorry, I really meant speaking fees) from Wall $tree and then get out on the trail and smile at the rubes that "I'm fighting for you." People see through it. As for the GOP establishment pick of the litter, Jeb! Bush, he's got the stench of W's eight awful years following him around like a fly that just won't go away. And you know what? He was the best of a poor lot, and he was never a factor. So, Times editorial board, continue to send Bernie Sanders around to the back door for his meals because you're ashamed that he doesn't represent the media moguls so beloved of Billary. She may yet prevail, but who's won the White House without commanding some kind of enthusiasm. She's used up and washed out. And so are we.
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I like and respect Clinton. And I am a person, so don't speak for me. I also haven't swallowed to endless hogwash put about by the GOP, and lapped up so hungrily by Sanders' supporters.
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To all the Sanders people: if Wall Street feels too threatened they will throw ALL of their money behind the republican candidate, even if that person is someone truly despicable like Ted Cruz. That Sanders hasn't taken any money from Wall Street isn't something to be proud of, it's a problem. I love Bernie's chutzpah, but there is no way he'll be able to win the general if the capitalists (and their news media) think he's a threat to them and their interests. Under Obama unemployment has fallen to 5%, we've gotten healthcare reform passed, financial regulation passed, we've withdrawn from Iraq and Afghanistan, secured a nuclear deal with Iran, and we've wisely stayed out of the conflicts in Ukraine and Syria. On top of that, the NLRB is controlled by democrats, along with the rest of the federal regulatory bureaucracy, and for the last 8 years the new federal judges have been appointed by a democratic president. Why risk deviating from the present course? What's the rush?
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So your argument boils down to: We should give up the idea that we can ever have a president who is not beholden to Wall Street. That's offensive to me, because it is saying, in a nutshell, that the US is no longer a democracy, can never be a democracy, and we should accept that fact without putting up a fight. That's definitely not what those who have taken up arms to defend the US thought they were fighting for.
As far as "What's the rush?"
- Even with Obamacare, millions are without health insurance, and millions who have health insurance are still without health care because they can't afford the deductables. That's killing people.
- Current and former college students are being crushed under their loans. Student loans, unlike any other kind of loan, cannot be discharged for any reason, including bankruptcy. That's ruining lives.
- There are still people stuck in Gitmo and other US military prisons, many of whom are now known to be completely innocent.
- Poverty persists even as unemployment goes down.
- You talk about wisely staying out of Syria. Your preferred candidate, Clinton, has stated that she doesn't want to stay out of Syria. Sanders does want to keep the US clear of that mess.
- Innocent black men such as Jamal Crawford III are being killed by police without even getting the chance to comply with police commands. Even 12-year-olds aren't safe.
That's why there's a rush.
As far as "What's the rush?"
- Even with Obamacare, millions are without health insurance, and millions who have health insurance are still without health care because they can't afford the deductables. That's killing people.
- Current and former college students are being crushed under their loans. Student loans, unlike any other kind of loan, cannot be discharged for any reason, including bankruptcy. That's ruining lives.
- There are still people stuck in Gitmo and other US military prisons, many of whom are now known to be completely innocent.
- Poverty persists even as unemployment goes down.
- You talk about wisely staying out of Syria. Your preferred candidate, Clinton, has stated that she doesn't want to stay out of Syria. Sanders does want to keep the US clear of that mess.
- Innocent black men such as Jamal Crawford III are being killed by police without even getting the chance to comply with police commands. Even 12-year-olds aren't safe.
That's why there's a rush.
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So you're saying that Wall Street will give Hillary Clinton an easy ride?
That's great...lets just abdicate to what wall st. wants since they have all the money.
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I'm a Republican but I will vote for Sanders, if he's the Democratic nominee...
He's an honest man - and although I don't agree with most of his ideas - integrity and honesty you cannot teach...
Especially if the Republican nominee is Mr. Bozo...aka Donald J. Trump
He's an honest man - and although I don't agree with most of his ideas - integrity and honesty you cannot teach...
Especially if the Republican nominee is Mr. Bozo...aka Donald J. Trump
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If you watched the viral video from last October where a woman walking in NYC received over 100 degrading catcalls in 10 hours, if you read the study of how female professors delivering an identical lecture are overwhelming rated as less competent than male professors, if you look at a slate of presidential candidates that is overwhelming male, if you see the same thing in Congress, in corporate board rooms, in every bastion of power and influence, you realize the importance of America electing its first woman President. Do you really feel women have equal status or that their voices are heard? Women received the right to vote decades after emancipated slaves. That's the reality. I feel very sad that so many women have forgotten history, have forgotten reality, and are turning away from a seasoned, experienced, intelligent candidate.
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Claire:
Chin up.
Women are still voting in this election, they are just not voting identity politics and instead are voting for who can articulate and implement change.
It's a Call to Action.
We need to stop burning down the world, and start building us up together here at home because divided, we are falling. Some non-Washington-based candidates understand that.
Chin up.
Women are still voting in this election, they are just not voting identity politics and instead are voting for who can articulate and implement change.
It's a Call to Action.
We need to stop burning down the world, and start building us up together here at home because divided, we are falling. Some non-Washington-based candidates understand that.
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How has electing the first African-American President caused African-Americans to "have equal status or that their voices are heard"? Your argument for electing Clinton because of her gender carries no weight.
I refuse to vote for someone who is a "a seasoned, experienced, intelligent candidate" when another candidate much better represents my interests and is also "a seasoned, experienced, intelligent candidate".
I refuse to vote for someone who is a "a seasoned, experienced, intelligent candidate" when another candidate much better represents my interests and is also "a seasoned, experienced, intelligent candidate".
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Do you really think Hillary can deliver on what you are talking about? The fact that she is a woman means NOTHING. She has been described as sounding like a managing director in her hundreds of speeches to financial sector institutions. She's a member of the Wall Street boys club. And, to improve women's lot in life and politics, we need to look at more than the fact that she possesses two X chromosomes. IMO, all else considered, Sanders is a MUCH better candidate for improving that status of women in this country. I'm certain we can at least agree that NOBODY on the republican side - including Fiorina - would even come close.
The supporters of Senator Sanders are delusional if they really believe he is electable. Mrs.Clinton has been subjected to 25 years of Republican attacks, and she is still standing. Apart from believing in "democratic socialism" Sanders has been involved in far left politics at least as recently as 1980. That year, he was an elector for the Socialist Workers Party (SWP,) a very far left fringe group of Marxist radicals. This party was to the Left of the American Communist Party. They supported the ideas of Leon Trotsky.
Had a miracle occurred and the SWP's presidential candidate carried his state Sanders would have cast a vote in the Electoral College for that candidate. That year the SWP supported putting an end to both the CIA and the Pentagon. They expressed support for the Ayatollah's Iran that was holding Americans hostage in our embassy.
These platform planks may not seem so horrendous to Sanders supporters, but imagine what the Republican candidate...no matter which horror show they pick...will do with the billion dollars the Koch Brothers and others have pledged to win back the White House. After a relentless barrage of attack ads many Americans will believe the Republican candidate is running against Trotsky himself. Is it worth it to nominate someone who is more likable than Hillary Clinton at the cost of losing the White House...not to mention the down ticket impact of such a nomination?
Had a miracle occurred and the SWP's presidential candidate carried his state Sanders would have cast a vote in the Electoral College for that candidate. That year the SWP supported putting an end to both the CIA and the Pentagon. They expressed support for the Ayatollah's Iran that was holding Americans hostage in our embassy.
These platform planks may not seem so horrendous to Sanders supporters, but imagine what the Republican candidate...no matter which horror show they pick...will do with the billion dollars the Koch Brothers and others have pledged to win back the White House. After a relentless barrage of attack ads many Americans will believe the Republican candidate is running against Trotsky himself. Is it worth it to nominate someone who is more likable than Hillary Clinton at the cost of losing the White House...not to mention the down ticket impact of such a nomination?
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Hillary bragged that she was named after mountaineer Sir Edmund Hillary, even though he hadn't yet climbed Everest and was unknown to the world when she was born. She claimed in 2008 her helicopter came under sniper fire in Bosnia, a falsehood. I mention these things not to drag out old attacks on her, but to show she is a habitual liar who lies even when it's not necessary. She continually throws raw meat to the Republicans. She gets bogged down in one scandal after another because of her poor judgment and habitual lying -- most recently the email server, the hypocritical move from a moderate to a progressive, the decision to not release the Goldman Sachs speeches, and this past weekend the dirty attacks on Sanders. Her administration would be a succession of self-made crises. Not a good bet for a productive presidency.
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Here in the conservative leaning battleground state of NH Mr. Sanders just wiped the floor with Mr. Trump in terms of votes cast. Mrs. Clinton did not even come close. Just sayin....
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Bernie is as electable as FDR.
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Hillary needs to go, and that's especially true if you think Sanders is unelectable. She has to get out of the way to make room for a viable candidate. The fact is people do not like her, and the more they see the less they like. The reasons may vary--for my part, I dislike having my intelligence insulted by preposterous lies--but regardless of the reasons, the fundamental fact is that she's a doomed candidate.
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I agree and believe Sanders is totally unelectable in a general election no matter how enthused commenter here are.
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Going by the number of independents who voted for Bernie in this NH election and the comments/ interviews from independents and even some Republicans that they will or are considering voting for him, I think we're going to see a landslide for Bernie. I've even heard of people trying to decide between Trump and Sanders. Point is, some people have mentioned that they might not agree with all Bernie's positions but they trust he is an ethical honest intelligent man who cares and will do his best. I think that's the most we can ask of any President; there are no guarantees. I don't care how intelligent or savvy someone is; if they have no intent or desire to use those talents to serve the US public, what's the point of electing them Pres?
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Is Sanders unelectable? Look at how independents voted for him in such big numbers. I'd say he is more electable than Clinton. Sanders appeals to a wide range of age groups, Clinton people over 65. Sanders appeals to both genders, Clinton appeals to neither, only women over 65.
People are looking at policies. People are looking at what the ruling class has done to the country and to them. People are not being swayed by corporate lobbyists and corporate editorial boards.
People are looking at policies. People are looking at what the ruling class has done to the country and to them. People are not being swayed by corporate lobbyists and corporate editorial boards.
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I hope that Hillary will push the value of a woman president to the max. The NYTimes reported that women chief executives increase profits over men executives:
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/business/women-in-company-leadership-t...
I suggest that her supporters try using a "W" sign (for woman) by using two "V" signs together, with both hands. Yes, women can. Yes, men can.
I believe a woman president can stimulate our stagnant economy, with a sense of hope for the future:
One step for a (W)oman. One giant leap for (H)umankind.
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W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/10/business/women-in-company-leadership-t...
I suggest that her supporters try using a "W" sign (for woman) by using two "V" signs together, with both hands. Yes, women can. Yes, men can.
I believe a woman president can stimulate our stagnant economy, with a sense of hope for the future:
One step for a (W)oman. One giant leap for (H)umankind.
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W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W W
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Looks like New Hampshire voters have "all come to look for America." If the rest of us join them, we might just find it.
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So, Hilary Clinton is "flirting with the dark side"? What precisely, did she say (and what were those "tone-deaf attacks" on Bernie Sanders made by others on her behalf), and what is it you object to? We have to get to the penultimate paragraph and the "pointless" stories about DSCC retreats and the hot tub encounter with the financial services lobbyist? OK, yes, that's just stupid -- but "dark side" stuff? That's Dick Cheney, trumped-up cases for sending our troops into unjustified combat, and illegal methods of torture. This other stuff is just lame-brained politics. As for claiming that the proximity of New Hampshire to Vermont offers something of a home-state advantage for Sanders: The press (including the NY Times, Boston Globe, NPR, and other outlets) have been reporting that for months. Sanders himself told the Globe last summer, as he was criss-crossing the NH-VT state line for campaign events: "Those in New Hampshire and Vermont have close relationships. Our kids sometimes go to the same schools."
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There is no political machine larger or more vicious than the Clinton machine. There is no dirty trick too low for them, especially when faced with losing. (Pretty obvious the Clinton Brigades are out in force on these boards right now.) I'd Bernie can withstand the Clinton Political Machine, he can take anything the GOP can throw at him.
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Clinton just gave an honorable and idealisitic speech in the wake of Sanders's blow out wiin in New Hampshire.
As opposed to her recent appearances in which Clinton more or less said she would not change very much because she is pragmatice and realistic, tonight she promised equality for all and claimed she had solutions, implying Sanders' does not
But what are Clinton's solutions? And how would she achieve them? She talk about equal wages forr women. How would that get passed bythis Congress? She talked about infrastructure investment. Quallity schools. Gun control.
How is any of this more achievable that single payer health insurance? What exactly is the plan? And the strategy? She did not say.
At least Sanders presents a plan and a strategy.
As opposed to her recent appearances in which Clinton more or less said she would not change very much because she is pragmatice and realistic, tonight she promised equality for all and claimed she had solutions, implying Sanders' does not
But what are Clinton's solutions? And how would she achieve them? She talk about equal wages forr women. How would that get passed bythis Congress? She talked about infrastructure investment. Quallity schools. Gun control.
How is any of this more achievable that single payer health insurance? What exactly is the plan? And the strategy? She did not say.
At least Sanders presents a plan and a strategy.
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This editorial reads like an apology for the Clinton loss. "New Hampshire means nothing..." and Clinton knew she was going to lose the primary and she has "no reason to panic." Sorry Times editorial writers, but the appearances of Madeline Albright and the admonition of Gloria Steinhem to young female votes was a sign of just that. Panic.
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First the Times anoints HRC as the Democratic nominee, then then it provides non-stop coverage of every inch of her campaign, then it endorses her, now it's providing tips to her on how to win. How long before Times campaign contributions begin rolling in?
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The NYT is an Establishment media organ and it votes its intetests. Of all the candidates, GOP or Dem, Bernie Sanders is the last candidate the Times wants to see elected.
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Kasich is the Republican who discusses the issues rather than trying to out alpha the rest of the pack, but he's not been one of the top contenders, so he's not been attacked by anyone, yet. Still, his improved status amongst the contenders gives me hope that the Republicans might nominate somebody who knows how to govern by working with people in both Parties.
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Sorry, NY Times: NH's entirely under Clinton's skin--especially having been trounced hard in virtually every demographic group.
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The commenters were joking yesterday that if Bernie Sanders won, the NYT headline would be HILLARY LOSES NH! So, the headline admits Bernie won, but of course the NYT Editorial Board sees this all through the lens of, "how does this affect OUR candidate, Hillary?" and then goes on to minimalize the importance of Bernie's big win.
Keep burying your head in the sand, NYT. This is a movement. It's not about Bernie, it's about his ideas. People are sick of the 1% and they're sick of the Clintons, and your precious Hillary is not going to bounce back and clinch the nomination. Just watch. The fun has just begun.
Keep burying your head in the sand, NYT. This is a movement. It's not about Bernie, it's about his ideas. People are sick of the 1% and they're sick of the Clintons, and your precious Hillary is not going to bounce back and clinch the nomination. Just watch. The fun has just begun.
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A possible national strategy - Elect Bernie Sanders and use a Republican Congress to keep him from going off the deep end. The trick will be finding a VP that he would listen to and who would keep him grounded.
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Elizabeth Warren.
Elizabeth Warren would be perfect.
Hillary really does need a vision. In her concession speech tonight, the chicken in every pot message came very close to amounting to a vision but it will never totally get there. If she starts with a clear vision and works down into a chicken in everyone's pot, everyone will get what she's talking about. I hope she figures it out in time.
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People want trustworthiness and Hillary lacks that trait. Also Bill is now an old man send him to wherever he lives as he is no asset but a liability.
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Well, only about a third of the precincts have reported, but Clinton does have more raw votes than Trump. That should be some consolation.
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Bill Clinton ought to be ankle-cuffed to a radiator and served food, water and an intern daily. His indignation over Senator Sanders in the waning moments of the NH primary was both petty and deplorable. As much as I'd love to see a woman in the White House, the Clinton's sense of entitlement and feigned indignation over a valid opponent and his supporters is EXACTLY why I'm not interested in participating in the next Clinton coronation.
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"You are likable enough, Hillary." was a lie. She should've taken the hint. But then it is easier to move mountains and rivers than change one's personally.
Moving forward, 2016 is an earth shattering year for politics in America and for the better, much better. The "establishments", including the media, need to rethink their "business" model or bite the dust. Progress is here. Make room for our younger generations.
There is still a long way to go for this election and it's not over until Sonny and Cher sing.
Moving forward, 2016 is an earth shattering year for politics in America and for the better, much better. The "establishments", including the media, need to rethink their "business" model or bite the dust. Progress is here. Make room for our younger generations.
There is still a long way to go for this election and it's not over until Sonny and Cher sing.
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As a Hillary supporter, I'm blown away that she was not able to do well in NH. The Granite State is far more libertarian than liberal. I don't believe Sanders was ever popular in NH until this year. Hillary is hurt by not having a visionary message or a focus on 3 results she expects to achieve by electing her. People who might be inclined to support her are impacted by endless investigations. Why couldn't she take her cue from Obama and avoid even the appearance of special privilege?
I hope she uses this loss to regroup. Instead of going negative, focus on a more positive and unifying message. If you don't believe banks should be broken up, say why. You represented NY. There's nothing wrong with explaining why Wall St is important to jobs while reining in excesses. Explain why improved Obamacare is preferable to nationalized healthcare. Americans like choice. Use your foreign policy connections to explain why key belligerents will not test you. Help us understand how you will be better equipped to move the world faster towards reducing carbon emissions. Rather than pounding on the rich for inequality, talk about bringing people together to drive a common understanding. And finally, discuss how your connections will provide for better Congressional relations.
Let Bernie own anger. You should own American optimism. Just make it easy to differentiate and understand.
I hope she uses this loss to regroup. Instead of going negative, focus on a more positive and unifying message. If you don't believe banks should be broken up, say why. You represented NY. There's nothing wrong with explaining why Wall St is important to jobs while reining in excesses. Explain why improved Obamacare is preferable to nationalized healthcare. Americans like choice. Use your foreign policy connections to explain why key belligerents will not test you. Help us understand how you will be better equipped to move the world faster towards reducing carbon emissions. Rather than pounding on the rich for inequality, talk about bringing people together to drive a common understanding. And finally, discuss how your connections will provide for better Congressional relations.
Let Bernie own anger. You should own American optimism. Just make it easy to differentiate and understand.
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Rajiv, like you, here next door in NH, the Indian American community (established) was out knocking on doors to get out the vote for Hillary. But it did not work. Hillary no longer resonates with the younger Indian American/South Asian men and women, especially those in college and those who are just out of college.
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AND include everyone in your message. I know women's issues are important to the Clinton team, but remember, there is no law preventing men from voting too, and if you don't think men have issues that need addressing, you have no business being in the White House.
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Hillary was hurt by her long list of lies, her constant quest for money, and telling voters the FBI was not in the middle of a criminal investigation.
Hillary was not the target of a right wing conspiracy, but the target of about 150 FBI agents and 2 Inspector Generals. You see when someone places the security of the nation at risk by using a private and unsecured server to send Top Secret information - that is a crime. However after seeing the emails I can understand why Hillary ever wanted anyone to see them
Like Bill she turned her office into a cash cow sucking up every buck she could get while telling people she was for them. Sad to see so many people still buy what she is selling
However since character does not matter with most Dem voters she will probably win the nomination, and later the voters will have to deal with their candidate being indicted.
Buy your popcorn now because this could get really good
Hillary was not the target of a right wing conspiracy, but the target of about 150 FBI agents and 2 Inspector Generals. You see when someone places the security of the nation at risk by using a private and unsecured server to send Top Secret information - that is a crime. However after seeing the emails I can understand why Hillary ever wanted anyone to see them
Like Bill she turned her office into a cash cow sucking up every buck she could get while telling people she was for them. Sad to see so many people still buy what she is selling
However since character does not matter with most Dem voters she will probably win the nomination, and later the voters will have to deal with their candidate being indicted.
Buy your popcorn now because this could get really good
New Hampshire may be a drop in the bucket of delegates needed to win the nominations but it has always been a reliable indication of voter sentiment and how the candidates' messages are resonating with voters.
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Gary Hart, Pat Buchanan, Hillary Clinton ...
The list goes on and on ...
The list goes on and on ...
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Hillary Clinton while perfectly competent is a horrible candidate and campaigner. The fact that her husband was maybe the best politician of his generation make it all the more apparent. She looks uncomfortable and is often hostile even in softball interviews like one last Sunday with George Stephanopoulos, who used to work for Bill Clinton. Combine those issues with the fact that her strongest argument for election seems that she is entitled to the job. So unsurprisingly her campaign isn't doing a great against someone until recently considered a fringe candidate. Changing her political team will be rearranging deck chairs on the Titanic and little more.
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Sanders doesn't worry about his "message" or how to package it. With unflagging passion he has been saying the same things for decades to anyone who would listen. Clinton, by contrast, is surrounded by expert advisors who agonize over her "message," seeking to tweak it in just the right way to assure her path to the presidency. Her message has lurched from "third way" conservatism to a more traditional liberalism, from Wall Street boosterism to an awkward populism. In the end, her message is merely herself: she offers us a Hillary Clinton presidency. Her continuing problem is that voters don't care much for her personal qualities, so making herself the theme of her candidacy is just as bad a choice in 2016 as it was in 2008.
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Saying the same things for decades, with a record of having done nothing about it. Yep, sounds like just the man our 130-word, everyone-gets-trophies millennials would rally around--why vote for someone that speaks uncomfortable truths about difficult compromise when you can listen to a cynical do-nothing tell you everything's going to be ok?
Perhaps the greatest take away from all this is the utter cluelessness of the liberal establishment, both within the media as well as the democratic party.
How did they miss the angst, the sense of betrayal experienced by their base as 'hope and change' devolved into something about making peace and common cause with intransigent republicans in congress? Trump and Sanders offer polar opposite views of the future, while their supporters are often supple enough to move their allegiance from one to another should their preferred candidate fail to get the nomination. What is striking is the rhetorical gulf between Trump and Kasich versus Sanders and Clinton.
This can only play out favorably for democrats top to bottom come November.
How did they miss the angst, the sense of betrayal experienced by their base as 'hope and change' devolved into something about making peace and common cause with intransigent republicans in congress? Trump and Sanders offer polar opposite views of the future, while their supporters are often supple enough to move their allegiance from one to another should their preferred candidate fail to get the nomination. What is striking is the rhetorical gulf between Trump and Kasich versus Sanders and Clinton.
This can only play out favorably for democrats top to bottom come November.
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A few things;
We really don't need to hear Bill Clinton being angry- keep mouth closed.
Marco's programming glitch instructive- take a drink of water.
Christie has served his purpose- needs to take the bridge to NJ.
Kasich has his 15 minutes, won't survive in South.
Trump- is there any real danger of electing this embarrassment?
Bernie- will the country really elect a 74 y.o. socialist?
That leaves Hillary. This election is really about the Supreme Court for the next 30 years. I trust that she'll appoint reasonable humans. If the GOP wins and appoints 3 more Scalias, I don't see much hope.
We really don't need to hear Bill Clinton being angry- keep mouth closed.
Marco's programming glitch instructive- take a drink of water.
Christie has served his purpose- needs to take the bridge to NJ.
Kasich has his 15 minutes, won't survive in South.
Trump- is there any real danger of electing this embarrassment?
Bernie- will the country really elect a 74 y.o. socialist?
That leaves Hillary. This election is really about the Supreme Court for the next 30 years. I trust that she'll appoint reasonable humans. If the GOP wins and appoints 3 more Scalias, I don't see much hope.
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We got the strange results in the New Hampshire because we do not hold closed primaries, and both parties have made themselves accessible for hostile takeovers by outsiders.
The CBS exit polls, asked the question, "No matter how you voted today, do you usually think of yourself as a" (give name of political party).
45% of the voters in the Republican Primary identified as Democrats or Independents and not as Republicans. http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/republican/new-hampshire...
42% of the voters in the Democratic Primary identified themselves as Republican or Independent. http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/e...
Fortunately, many upcoming primaries and caucuses will be "closed", and the party can try and fix the damage from caused by the cross-over candidates (Trump and Sanders) and independents and others in New Hampshire.
I still predict that Democrat Hillary Clinton, who is leading with approximately 20% of the total number of delegates and superdelegates will win the Democratic nomination, and that a Republican establishment will win the Republican nomination.
Parties must fight hard this year, as Trump and Sanders are intent on a hostile take-overs of both parties.
Tip of the Day - "Closed" State Primaries for the parties in the future...
The CBS exit polls, asked the question, "No matter how you voted today, do you usually think of yourself as a" (give name of political party).
45% of the voters in the Republican Primary identified as Democrats or Independents and not as Republicans. http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/republican/new-hampshire...
42% of the voters in the Democratic Primary identified themselves as Republican or Independent. http://www.cbsnews.com/elections/2016/primaries/democrat/new-hampshire/e...
Fortunately, many upcoming primaries and caucuses will be "closed", and the party can try and fix the damage from caused by the cross-over candidates (Trump and Sanders) and independents and others in New Hampshire.
I still predict that Democrat Hillary Clinton, who is leading with approximately 20% of the total number of delegates and superdelegates will win the Democratic nomination, and that a Republican establishment will win the Republican nomination.
Parties must fight hard this year, as Trump and Sanders are intent on a hostile take-overs of both parties.
Tip of the Day - "Closed" State Primaries for the parties in the future...
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Lies, damned lies, etc.
Only 3% of voters in the Republican primary were Democrats (your own link).
Only 2% of voters in the Democratic primary were Republican.
There are lots of Independents in New Hampshire.
Only 3% of voters in the Republican primary were Democrats (your own link).
Only 2% of voters in the Democratic primary were Republican.
There are lots of Independents in New Hampshire.
Barney Frank spoke last night at Stanford. He gave a good speech about our need to decriminalize drugs and stop wasting hundreds of billions on pointless defense projects. Both good, solid liberal proposals. He ignored the caustic effect of wealthy donors, but admitted trade and income inequality was something government has screwed up.
But after the speech he spent thirty minutes dissing Bernie. He said "we" over and over again, referring to the collective Democratic Party with Hillary at its head. I wanted to tell him that the Hillary supporters were now the establishment and the electorate, at least a large part of it has moved on.
I did not get a chance to do so, but the vote in New Hampshire is sending a message. It's for the establishment-don't let the door hit you in the rear on your way out.
But after the speech he spent thirty minutes dissing Bernie. He said "we" over and over again, referring to the collective Democratic Party with Hillary at its head. I wanted to tell him that the Hillary supporters were now the establishment and the electorate, at least a large part of it has moved on.
I did not get a chance to do so, but the vote in New Hampshire is sending a message. It's for the establishment-don't let the door hit you in the rear on your way out.
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Barney Frank is one of the original identity politicians, who was an untouchable while he was in public office.
As more and more gay people are gaining equal rights -- and entrance into a world where Mr. Frank was able to open doors with his wealth and powerful career -- we can look past Mr. Frank's sexuality to the content of his character.
He would have been ousted long ago in Washington if voters continue to reject identity politics and vote on the basis of performance, leadership and getting the job done. Mr. Frank represents the status quo of Washington, through and through. The more the people gain rights, the less "leaders" like him matter to this identity community or that.
As more and more gay people are gaining equal rights -- and entrance into a world where Mr. Frank was able to open doors with his wealth and powerful career -- we can look past Mr. Frank's sexuality to the content of his character.
He would have been ousted long ago in Washington if voters continue to reject identity politics and vote on the basis of performance, leadership and getting the job done. Mr. Frank represents the status quo of Washington, through and through. The more the people gain rights, the less "leaders" like him matter to this identity community or that.
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those liberal proposals are gong to remain just that.
If Hillary Clinton were really as "battle-tested" as she claims, she never would have stooped to the politics of spite that you note. By repeating the mistake of having her husband make a disgraceful attack on Sen. Sanders and also having two aging feminists call out the young women who are flocking to the Sanders campaign, you wonder if there is a deeper character flaw producing poor judgment as with the email server decision, lack of trust and comments that she's only "likable enough." With the shellacking Sec. Clinton received tonight in New Hampshire, I, a solid Democrat for over 50 years, have to reassess the poise and strength of character that Sec. Clinton will need to win the nomination and then be able to unite and energize the party to win in November. As of this moment, this 75-year old liberal feels that for all her experience she has failed to demonstrate what it takes to win and I'm definitely starting to "Fell the Bern."
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Odd, I feel that it was Bernie that stooped to the attack on Clinton and implied she was unethical simply because of her speaking engagements. That was really, really low ball. I feel the Clintons are justified in being mad about this and reacting to it. People seem to forget that Bernie is also a career politician, he knew what his implication would do.
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She took large sums of money for those speaking engagements. What is ethical about that? Someone wanting to president and accepting large sums of money from vested interests.
In any normal OECD country that would be criminal.
In any normal OECD country that would be criminal.
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Given that she collected $675 K for three speeches on Wall Street as I understand it, it is right to question her ability to rein in the banks and financial institutions. And then she had the chutzpah to attack Sanders for taking money from the Democratic Senatorial Election Committee that was linked to the same institutions. Another example of her application of standards that she does not adhere to herself.
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I watched both Hillary and Bernie make their speeches tonight.
I saw Hillary barely acknowledge that she's lost NH. She seemed to be living in the past w/ women's equality. I'm 69 and understand that, but the people of my sons' generation don't.
I saw Bernie talk about the future, which my 24 year-old son identifies with.
I remember the Democratic campaigns when I was growing up in the 50's. Bernie personifies that age and I definitely identify with the points he's making.
Something has been lost in having "mainstream", Clinton Democrats echoing Republicans of days gone by.
I want the Democrats that I grew up with to once again speak out. Bernie's like a favorite uncle and I'll vote for him in the primary.
I saw Hillary barely acknowledge that she's lost NH. She seemed to be living in the past w/ women's equality. I'm 69 and understand that, but the people of my sons' generation don't.
I saw Bernie talk about the future, which my 24 year-old son identifies with.
I remember the Democratic campaigns when I was growing up in the 50's. Bernie personifies that age and I definitely identify with the points he's making.
Something has been lost in having "mainstream", Clinton Democrats echoing Republicans of days gone by.
I want the Democrats that I grew up with to once again speak out. Bernie's like a favorite uncle and I'll vote for him in the primary.
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Though they would be loathe to admit it, Nancy, the Democrats made a wrong turn some years back in writing off the white working- and middle-class.
All the attention to the media and the elites has left workers unwanted in the Democratic party, unless they are willing to play some "identity" card: black, gay, woman, etc.
White workers are unwelcome, that is the message the Democrats sent in the Obama years. Hillary is paying the price, but she should not have clung so tightly to promoting the failed policies of the Obama years. Who is going to vote for 4 more years of this? We still want Change, and for the troops to come home...
All the attention to the media and the elites has left workers unwanted in the Democratic party, unless they are willing to play some "identity" card: black, gay, woman, etc.
White workers are unwelcome, that is the message the Democrats sent in the Obama years. Hillary is paying the price, but she should not have clung so tightly to promoting the failed policies of the Obama years. Who is going to vote for 4 more years of this? We still want Change, and for the troops to come home...
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The NY Times and all other news corporations should do America a gigantic favor: unrelentingly pester all candidates to explain, in detail, exactly what they will do to make publicly financed elections a reality by the following election. Not someday far off, but by the election year of 2020. No excuses.
This question should be asked during debates on prime-time television, and a blandly evasive non-answer should not be accepted by moderators.
Changing politicians is importation, but changing the system itself if more important, and all of these candidates, win or lose, will be gone soon enough but we remain with a tawdry and corrupt system if it is not changed.
Turn the screws on Trump and Bernie and Cruz and Hillary and demand each one provide a realistic plan for change.
This question should be asked during debates on prime-time television, and a blandly evasive non-answer should not be accepted by moderators.
Changing politicians is importation, but changing the system itself if more important, and all of these candidates, win or lose, will be gone soon enough but we remain with a tawdry and corrupt system if it is not changed.
Turn the screws on Trump and Bernie and Cruz and Hillary and demand each one provide a realistic plan for change.
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Both Clinton and Sanders gave excellent post primary speeches. Bernie was noted by MSNBC to have spoken a bit too long, but he held the audience beyond the point that would usually have seen our attention wander. Hillary continues to make the mistake of pointing at certain people in the audience & giving them a smile but this seems to put her too close to the insiders in the party and leaves the TV audience feeling unrecognized and outside her circle. Those folks can be recognized later, perhaps in private.
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If Clinton wants to win over millennials with celebrity or political supporters, they should be individuals they can relate to and not feminists and politicians of decades past who come across as lecturing grandmas, leaving the average millennials rolling their eyes.
Sanders may be older, but his message on income inequality speaks loudly to a group overwhelmingly saddled with student loan debt, even if he'll never succeed getting his proposals through a divisive congress.
Sanders may be older, but his message on income inequality speaks loudly to a group overwhelmingly saddled with student loan debt, even if he'll never succeed getting his proposals through a divisive congress.
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millennials are voting for pipe dreams. Sanders is a nice guy; however it is unfair of him to make those political promises that will never be kept. Republicans I am sure will be thrilled should Sanders win the nomination. And New York times and some of the other partisan hacks pushing this election with the continuous thrill of pushing against Hillary; I will sue your 'guess what'!
Clearly, Hillary isn't the perfect candidate -- none of this bunch is. I fail to see how a bunch of unrealistic promises destined never to come to fruition makes a candidate "authentic" and the best one to represent the Democratic party in the general election. Hasn't Bernie been in Congress or the Senate for over a quarter century? Where is the evidence of his influence in either legislative body? I can't understand the magical thinking of his supporters that he will suddenly succeed in accomplishing the most ambitious liberal agenda in modern history with a Republican House and Senate that won't even meet President Obama halfway.
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For whatever reasons, at critical moments, the Clintons become tone deaf to the events around them. They seem unable to listen or see clearly and hence are unable to act either tactically or strategically. What are they paying their advisors for, or more to the point it would seem they need new advisors. Perhaps they can hire away some of Bernie's.
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That is the thing, Hillary needs advisors to tell her what she should say.
Bernie says what he feels needs to be said. If Hillary did that she'd be even less popular.
Bernie says what he feels needs to be said. If Hillary did that she'd be even less popular.
I must question why Senator Sanders, having had neither a distinguished career nor experience, decided to challenge Hillary Clinton for the presidential nomination. She of the highest qualifications, the experience, and yes, a lifetime of public service, was the natural candidate. She will be the first woman president. So why did he do this? He won over the millennials by offering them that which he cannot deliver: free college, free healthcare, high taxes for the haves, but not the have nots. Those of us who reason understand these are promises that will not be kept. He has never, in twenty-five years, sponsored and passed legislation in line with his political philosophy. Why does he think his fellows in Congress who did not endorse him, but endorsed Hillary, will work to pass his philosophical dream. It's a good question, and deserves an answer. You're never popular when you decide to be a spoiler.
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Just ask the residents of Burlington what Bernie has accomplished. And if I try to think what Hillary has accomplished I can't come up with much except being a woman in high position.
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You argue that Bernie is a spoiler and therefore will never be popular. His NH win (a landslide) would make your second statement false. Perhaps he just unpopular with you and a minority and not with the majority of registered Democrats. Time will tell who is the spoiler and who is just spoiled.
@ Jwl - What Jwl is your evidence for dividing NYT commenters into two groups, one your group designated by you, the all seeing, as "Those of us who reason" and the other, the group I belong to, designated by you by implication as "Those who do not reason".
So according to you such Verifieds as Mark Thomason, Gemli, Rima Regas - the list is long - do not reason.
To use your last line rephrased, you are never popular when you insult decent people.
So according to you such Verifieds as Mark Thomason, Gemli, Rima Regas - the list is long - do not reason.
To use your last line rephrased, you are never popular when you insult decent people.
Usually the NYT has a commendable concern for social justice and the poor. And the Times voice is needed given the atrocities committed by the plutocracy against the underclass.
Why does the Times want to see a continuation of Wall Street rule through Hillary, Goldwater supporter, Iraq war supporter, bank deregulation supporter, and killer of FDR's Aid to Families with Dependent Children?
The Clinton money machine consigned seven million children to the extreme poverty of less than $200 monthly income. Hillary makes more in 0.1 second in speeches to Wall Street oligarchs.
Either get a social democratic president or hand the country over to the Christo-fascist barbarians.
Why does the Times want to see a continuation of Wall Street rule through Hillary, Goldwater supporter, Iraq war supporter, bank deregulation supporter, and killer of FDR's Aid to Families with Dependent Children?
The Clinton money machine consigned seven million children to the extreme poverty of less than $200 monthly income. Hillary makes more in 0.1 second in speeches to Wall Street oligarchs.
Either get a social democratic president or hand the country over to the Christo-fascist barbarians.
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DOUG,
There is too much ranting and railing. I don't question Hillary's decency or integrity and I don't question her brilliance or competency.
You live in what most would consider one of the three best cities in the world. Shouldn't telling people why Vancouver is one of three best cities in the world in which to live be more helpful.
I am less than an hour from New Hampshire and can see Vermont from my south facing window. I lived in the mid-west for ten years. Americans are smart people living with a media machine that is the best dispenser of propaganda the world has ever known.
Telling people I have everything Bernie is promising and our children and grandchildren have better economic opportunity more secure lives should be the end of discussion
There is too much ranting and railing. I don't question Hillary's decency or integrity and I don't question her brilliance or competency.
You live in what most would consider one of the three best cities in the world. Shouldn't telling people why Vancouver is one of three best cities in the world in which to live be more helpful.
I am less than an hour from New Hampshire and can see Vermont from my south facing window. I lived in the mid-west for ten years. Americans are smart people living with a media machine that is the best dispenser of propaganda the world has ever known.
Telling people I have everything Bernie is promising and our children and grandchildren have better economic opportunity more secure lives should be the end of discussion
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This Democrat is handing it over to Trump. The hate of some Democrats for Clinton is sickening and stupid. I will make sure my vote says you can't vote for a female, learn to love President Trump.
@ Doug Broome - Doug I agree and wish you and I and others could see the full text of those "that's what they offered me" speeches to see what she offered "them".
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I find it fascinating to watch Americans trip all over themselves, especially the piqued Sanders camp, to say that two small white states somehow reflect the mood of the country. Your political process closely mirrors the deification of celebrity, which is an American cultural innovation. Your political race is like the race for an Oscar rather than a reflection of who can get the work done.
To that end, the Sanders camp reminds me of Canada's admirable but impossible NDP party: good in theory but rarely very practical or innovative. (And this is coming from a pretty left-wing guy.) So, mistaken in their belief that Sanders, the populist left-wing equivalent of Trump, can somehow make good on his wild promises, Sanders' people lash out at Clinton, a politician who has has done her homework, who knows that politics is "the art of the possible," who has the groundwork in place to make headway. She's a brilliant woman, period. The vitriol aimed at her in these comments is astounding, and it's not due to the Times' coverage. It's due to sour grapes that the Times refuses to recognize the pipe dream that is Sanders.
And so in chasing a pipe dream, Sanders supporters and other anti-Clinton democrats are ready to eat their own. What a sad story.
To that end, the Sanders camp reminds me of Canada's admirable but impossible NDP party: good in theory but rarely very practical or innovative. (And this is coming from a pretty left-wing guy.) So, mistaken in their belief that Sanders, the populist left-wing equivalent of Trump, can somehow make good on his wild promises, Sanders' people lash out at Clinton, a politician who has has done her homework, who knows that politics is "the art of the possible," who has the groundwork in place to make headway. She's a brilliant woman, period. The vitriol aimed at her in these comments is astounding, and it's not due to the Times' coverage. It's due to sour grapes that the Times refuses to recognize the pipe dream that is Sanders.
And so in chasing a pipe dream, Sanders supporters and other anti-Clinton democrats are ready to eat their own. What a sad story.
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You know, dismissing an entire state because it happens to have a significant white population is kind of racist, don't you? We hear this about books (old, dead white men) and all the rest
Let's reverse that. What if a state or a book or whatever were dismissed because it predominated with ethnic or racial group x? How would that stand up in Politically Correct World?
When votes are counted in November they will be by state to determine electors and each state has the same number of electors as their House and Senate delegation. It makes no difference if the elector is from South Carolina or Arizona or Montana or Michigan.
Hillary Clinton is following the same path she trod in 2008- she peaked in the polls early and declined all the rest of the way. And since you are in Toronto, we will trade Justin for Hillary any day.
Let's reverse that. What if a state or a book or whatever were dismissed because it predominated with ethnic or racial group x? How would that stand up in Politically Correct World?
When votes are counted in November they will be by state to determine electors and each state has the same number of electors as their House and Senate delegation. It makes no difference if the elector is from South Carolina or Arizona or Montana or Michigan.
Hillary Clinton is following the same path she trod in 2008- she peaked in the polls early and declined all the rest of the way. And since you are in Toronto, we will trade Justin for Hillary any day.
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I think you are wrong. Sanders is not the left wing equivalent of Trump, all bombast, anger, and braggadocio, appealing to ignorance and fear. A better analogy would be Justin Trudeau and his sunny ways. Our election was a clear rejection of the pseudo-Tea Party Conservatives under Stephen Harper. Canadians longed to return to their better selves and take back their country. Sanders is appealing to the same sense of fairness and rejection of the politics of fear and inequity represented by the GOP as well as the sense of entitlement that Clinton has regarding the nomination and her entrenched place in the 1%.
As to the NYT coverage of Clinton vs Sanders, it has been much more supportive of her, barely covering him. Even his victory tonight was seen through the Clinton lens in this editorial rather than focusing on what Sanders had accomplished in overtaking her and winning with such a wide gap in votes. Maybe you have been reading the WSJ and confusing it with the Times. Sour grapes indeed.
As to the NYT coverage of Clinton vs Sanders, it has been much more supportive of her, barely covering him. Even his victory tonight was seen through the Clinton lens in this editorial rather than focusing on what Sanders had accomplished in overtaking her and winning with such a wide gap in votes. Maybe you have been reading the WSJ and confusing it with the Times. Sour grapes indeed.
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After closing a 50-point deficit in just four months, in Iowa Bernie Sanders proved that the success of the Clinton Money Machine is not inevitable.
In New Hampshire he has proved that he can form the broad coalition he will need to beat any Republican challenger in November. Mr. Sanders not only demonstrated that he has broad appeal among the brie and chablis set, but also among working class Democrats as well. In the Granite State, Mr. Sanders won every demographic group, including women, excepting only voters 65 and older and voters whose households earn more than $200,000 per year.
He did especially well among the very young -- taking 83% of the vote of those 18 to 29 -- and among voters making less than $50,000 per year, taking 65% among that critical group. But he took majorities of all Democrats under 65 and those earning less than $200,000 per year.
This mirrors his performance in Iowa, where he not only swamped Mrs. Clinton in college towns like Ames and Iowa City, but in blue collar towns like Council Bluffs, Sioux City, Cedar Falls, Cedar Rapids, Davenport, Muscatine, and Burlington.
It is a myth perpetrated by a now-panicked Clinton campaign that Bernie can't win a general election. He was doing better than Mrs. Clinton against every potential Republican nominee before the New Hampshire primary. Those margins will now only grow as he benefits from his new momentum.
This election is about privilege and class, and not gender or race. The One Percent is cooked.
In New Hampshire he has proved that he can form the broad coalition he will need to beat any Republican challenger in November. Mr. Sanders not only demonstrated that he has broad appeal among the brie and chablis set, but also among working class Democrats as well. In the Granite State, Mr. Sanders won every demographic group, including women, excepting only voters 65 and older and voters whose households earn more than $200,000 per year.
He did especially well among the very young -- taking 83% of the vote of those 18 to 29 -- and among voters making less than $50,000 per year, taking 65% among that critical group. But he took majorities of all Democrats under 65 and those earning less than $200,000 per year.
This mirrors his performance in Iowa, where he not only swamped Mrs. Clinton in college towns like Ames and Iowa City, but in blue collar towns like Council Bluffs, Sioux City, Cedar Falls, Cedar Rapids, Davenport, Muscatine, and Burlington.
It is a myth perpetrated by a now-panicked Clinton campaign that Bernie can't win a general election. He was doing better than Mrs. Clinton against every potential Republican nominee before the New Hampshire primary. Those margins will now only grow as he benefits from his new momentum.
This election is about privilege and class, and not gender or race. The One Percent is cooked.
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It saddens me to see the cold dismissal, even hatred of a woman who spent decades as a true public servant for this country. Not long ago, Hillary Clinton was considered one of the most admired women in the world (a ranking she earned repeatedly). Her approval rating was very high among most Americans. Then she announced her candidacy.
Certainly she's made mistakes- the email server, the speeches, 'tone deaf' at times. But then the massive right wing onslaught and millions of dollars of advertising filled with outright lies, innuendo, smears went far beyond her actual sins. The purpose? Damage her irreparably as a candidate. They did a great job convincing the public the good will she'd earned was all a fraud. She was dishonest, a liar. They went after her with a vengeance, and the press, with whom she had a fraught relationship, jumped on the bandwagon. They rarely looked past the vicious name-calling to separate the deserved from the ridiculous. They seemed to relish confronting her, unlike anything I can recall in the past, with the very blunt "People think you're a liar, dishonest, untrustworthy. What do you have to say about that?"
Meanwhile, Sen. Sanders got no scrutiny. Wildly improbable promises that don't have a prayer of getting through congress. Unscrupulous campaign behavior.
The Republican plan is working perfectly- take down Clinton. Get Sanders the nomination. Then it will be a piece of cake to slaughter a "conscientious objector, socialist, tax-hiker."
Certainly she's made mistakes- the email server, the speeches, 'tone deaf' at times. But then the massive right wing onslaught and millions of dollars of advertising filled with outright lies, innuendo, smears went far beyond her actual sins. The purpose? Damage her irreparably as a candidate. They did a great job convincing the public the good will she'd earned was all a fraud. She was dishonest, a liar. They went after her with a vengeance, and the press, with whom she had a fraught relationship, jumped on the bandwagon. They rarely looked past the vicious name-calling to separate the deserved from the ridiculous. They seemed to relish confronting her, unlike anything I can recall in the past, with the very blunt "People think you're a liar, dishonest, untrustworthy. What do you have to say about that?"
Meanwhile, Sen. Sanders got no scrutiny. Wildly improbable promises that don't have a prayer of getting through congress. Unscrupulous campaign behavior.
The Republican plan is working perfectly- take down Clinton. Get Sanders the nomination. Then it will be a piece of cake to slaughter a "conscientious objector, socialist, tax-hiker."
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Anita,
We in Quebec have everything Bernie Sanders is promising. We have it and we are never going to give it up. We have it and we are not as rich as the USA. We have it whether our government is liberal, conservative or democratic socialist. We have it because we are a democracy and we the people would never have it any other way. We have it even though we all have passports and travel to New Hampshire, Vermont and New York State. We have even though our 1% might benefit from unfettered capitalism. But as I said we value our democracy.
Our democracy is not quite 50 years old so we still remember your democracy and we ain't going back.
We in Quebec have everything Bernie Sanders is promising. We have it and we are never going to give it up. We have it and we are not as rich as the USA. We have it whether our government is liberal, conservative or democratic socialist. We have it because we are a democracy and we the people would never have it any other way. We have it even though we all have passports and travel to New Hampshire, Vermont and New York State. We have even though our 1% might benefit from unfettered capitalism. But as I said we value our democracy.
Our democracy is not quite 50 years old so we still remember your democracy and we ain't going back.
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The Republicans would LOVE it if Bernie were the Democratic candidate. If they can achieve that they'll hold all power in the US and the fault will be with Bernie's supporters. Shame on us for not learning the lessons of 2000, of Ralph Nader, of 2014.
I don't think it is that simple. There are more reasons not to vote for Clinton than the email server.
Her vote to attack Iraq for one. Ok, that is far in the past. But if you want to overlook that one, you would expect that she learned something from it. Did she? Looking at the state Libya is in and how she was and still is in favor of removing Gaddifa there, I doubt it. Trying to bring democracy is admirable, but if your plans to do that have failed again and yet again in a region as full with ethnic and religious animosity as the middle east, it is time to change the tactic and admit that ones earlier plans did not succeed.
Hillary Clinton is as far away from learning anything from her foreign policy mistakes as you could be. Her time in office as secretary of state has nothing good to show for it - and one very bad thing with the attack in Benghazi. Her successor managed the deal with Iran - and there has been talk that Clinton didn't get the deal not because she couldn't, but because she didn't want to.
Have there been attacks from the right - certainly. But they have only been going on e.g. about the email thing, because she just completely refuses to admit when she made a mistake. She can be thankful to Sanders for laying this topic to rest in the first democratic debate. He didn't have to - he just could have said nothing and let people close to him continue attacking her.
And that is another thing. Sanders has integrity - Clinton doesn't.
Her vote to attack Iraq for one. Ok, that is far in the past. But if you want to overlook that one, you would expect that she learned something from it. Did she? Looking at the state Libya is in and how she was and still is in favor of removing Gaddifa there, I doubt it. Trying to bring democracy is admirable, but if your plans to do that have failed again and yet again in a region as full with ethnic and religious animosity as the middle east, it is time to change the tactic and admit that ones earlier plans did not succeed.
Hillary Clinton is as far away from learning anything from her foreign policy mistakes as you could be. Her time in office as secretary of state has nothing good to show for it - and one very bad thing with the attack in Benghazi. Her successor managed the deal with Iran - and there has been talk that Clinton didn't get the deal not because she couldn't, but because she didn't want to.
Have there been attacks from the right - certainly. But they have only been going on e.g. about the email thing, because she just completely refuses to admit when she made a mistake. She can be thankful to Sanders for laying this topic to rest in the first democratic debate. He didn't have to - he just could have said nothing and let people close to him continue attacking her.
And that is another thing. Sanders has integrity - Clinton doesn't.
The victory of Bernie Sanders by a decisive margin over Hillary Clinton yesterday might not have been a rout if there were more Democratic Party aspirants. There weren't more because she and her husband have virtually monopolized control of the national Democratic Party.
A few years ago, Charles Ferguson - the documentary filmmaker responsible for the Academy Award winning film, "Inside Job" - had to abandon one on Hillary Clinton because no Democratic party person of importance would dare to speak to him. Back in 2013, he detailed his failed attempt to delve deeply into the network of money and influence the Clinton's have fostered for years in a Huffington Post article, "Why I Am Cancelling My Documentary on Hillary Clinton. "
If the Clintons had lived up to their façade affable intra-party collegiality, they would have encouraged outside voices - liberal voices, but from our nation's local and state liberal elites, not D.C. - that is, alternatives to a rerun of themselves in the White House. That would have demonstrated magnanimity, not just "collegiality."
As things stand now, the Republican Party has shown better grassroots connections by bringing into national prominence politicians who plausibly claimed that they were better connected to the traditional Democratic Party base than the Democrats themselves.
So, it's unlikely that a mere change in tactics on the part of the power-hoarding Clintons can prevent a debacle for the Democrats this coming November.
A few years ago, Charles Ferguson - the documentary filmmaker responsible for the Academy Award winning film, "Inside Job" - had to abandon one on Hillary Clinton because no Democratic party person of importance would dare to speak to him. Back in 2013, he detailed his failed attempt to delve deeply into the network of money and influence the Clinton's have fostered for years in a Huffington Post article, "Why I Am Cancelling My Documentary on Hillary Clinton. "
If the Clintons had lived up to their façade affable intra-party collegiality, they would have encouraged outside voices - liberal voices, but from our nation's local and state liberal elites, not D.C. - that is, alternatives to a rerun of themselves in the White House. That would have demonstrated magnanimity, not just "collegiality."
As things stand now, the Republican Party has shown better grassroots connections by bringing into national prominence politicians who plausibly claimed that they were better connected to the traditional Democratic Party base than the Democrats themselves.
So, it's unlikely that a mere change in tactics on the part of the power-hoarding Clintons can prevent a debacle for the Democrats this coming November.
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I'm with Trump and Carson about this "politically correct" (PC) nonsense. Time to tell it like it is.
As strange as it may seem, Mr Trump is the prime beneficiary of PC in the primary contests. His stated position on torture "I would bring back waterboarding and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" is a clear promise to voters that, if elected to the Presidency. he will commit war crimes. That would make him a war criminal, and proud of it.
Getting back to PC, the media has treated this declaration as just another politician promise, like lowering taxes, ignoring climate change, kicking China around, building walls etc. But it's not just another promise, it's a promise to deliberately break a very serious law that governs not just the US, but the world at large. And what message do the New Hampshire results send to our allies and friends? We (Republicans) love this guy!
The media went nuts over Rubio's robotism, but PC's Trump's devotion to torture. I think it's time to make this issue page one, above the fold, until it sinks in.
As strange as it may seem, Mr Trump is the prime beneficiary of PC in the primary contests. His stated position on torture "I would bring back waterboarding and I’d bring back a hell of a lot worse than waterboarding" is a clear promise to voters that, if elected to the Presidency. he will commit war crimes. That would make him a war criminal, and proud of it.
Getting back to PC, the media has treated this declaration as just another politician promise, like lowering taxes, ignoring climate change, kicking China around, building walls etc. But it's not just another promise, it's a promise to deliberately break a very serious law that governs not just the US, but the world at large. And what message do the New Hampshire results send to our allies and friends? We (Republicans) love this guy!
The media went nuts over Rubio's robotism, but PC's Trump's devotion to torture. I think it's time to make this issue page one, above the fold, until it sinks in.
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What you may not understand is that the New York times has no influence with Trump supporters. Attacking him in these webpages will not hurt him.
"Political correctness" = civility. No wonder Trump hates it.
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Hillary needs to make a laundry list of what she will do for Americans and it needs to be reasonably lofty and inspirational. She can't just say Bernie is unrealistic. She needs to be constantly listing what she thinks she can get done in very specific terms. If she has been, it simply isn't enough.
Sure, the economy is improving, but people lost so much in the recession that they can never recover. They will be needing help even as jobs return. They lost homes and good paying jobs that have been largely replaced by lower paying ones and many who were middle aged or older will not have time to recreate any real financial security. Many still need to retrain and may be working into their 70's.
I simply do not think Bernie is the answer, because you have to be able to see the real world for what it is in order to design solutions to move it forward (and be honest about it) but Hillary needs to show she has a real vision for where she can take us and she needs to believe in it. I hope she has simply been concerned that she will give her future opponents ammunition by speaking out to soon, but it is now or never.
We need free community college even if providing it for all universities is not realistic (far more attend now than prior to the 1970's when it was more often low cost or free in some areas). We need to bypass the big banks and get people back into homes at low fixed rates in order to recreate financial security without all the risk created by big banks.
Sure, the economy is improving, but people lost so much in the recession that they can never recover. They will be needing help even as jobs return. They lost homes and good paying jobs that have been largely replaced by lower paying ones and many who were middle aged or older will not have time to recreate any real financial security. Many still need to retrain and may be working into their 70's.
I simply do not think Bernie is the answer, because you have to be able to see the real world for what it is in order to design solutions to move it forward (and be honest about it) but Hillary needs to show she has a real vision for where she can take us and she needs to believe in it. I hope she has simply been concerned that she will give her future opponents ammunition by speaking out to soon, but it is now or never.
We need free community college even if providing it for all universities is not realistic (far more attend now than prior to the 1970's when it was more often low cost or free in some areas). We need to bypass the big banks and get people back into homes at low fixed rates in order to recreate financial security without all the risk created by big banks.
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Mrs. Clinton must stay on the high road and not leap into the abyss of personal attacks that are beneath the dignity of exemplary leaders, and that are bound to provoke adversity among fence-sitters and fellow travelers.
As for Mr. Sanders, we can expect him to stay on course in addressing the most pressing polarizing issues of our time; taking into account the cutting-edge work of Tirole, Stiglitz, Piketty and Bruce Scott, among others, on the mistakes that led to the 2008 financial crisis. Notwithstanding the consumers’ and producers’ lion share in carving markets, Sanders’ framework for thinking about markets and firms, in a broader context, calls for a sweeping and massive overhaul of corporate governance to mitigate the adverse consequences of large-scale crises with: (1) a fairer and more open competition; (2) less devastating systemic risk by calling for reliable structural containment of exposure of high-leverage positions; (3) a more favorable entrepreneurship climate; (4) a universal health care and safety net; and (5) a greater participatory democracy.
If implemented, Sanders' vision would permit more entrepreneurs to make profit and employ more people earning a decent living. The change could reverse the severe disparity of income and ultimately provide an opportunity to shape the course of history toward more income security and stability.
However, after tonight’s important milestone, Sanders should expect fierce attacks. Success is anything but certain.
As for Mr. Sanders, we can expect him to stay on course in addressing the most pressing polarizing issues of our time; taking into account the cutting-edge work of Tirole, Stiglitz, Piketty and Bruce Scott, among others, on the mistakes that led to the 2008 financial crisis. Notwithstanding the consumers’ and producers’ lion share in carving markets, Sanders’ framework for thinking about markets and firms, in a broader context, calls for a sweeping and massive overhaul of corporate governance to mitigate the adverse consequences of large-scale crises with: (1) a fairer and more open competition; (2) less devastating systemic risk by calling for reliable structural containment of exposure of high-leverage positions; (3) a more favorable entrepreneurship climate; (4) a universal health care and safety net; and (5) a greater participatory democracy.
If implemented, Sanders' vision would permit more entrepreneurs to make profit and employ more people earning a decent living. The change could reverse the severe disparity of income and ultimately provide an opportunity to shape the course of history toward more income security and stability.
However, after tonight’s important milestone, Sanders should expect fierce attacks. Success is anything but certain.
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Hillary Clinton would need to find the high road to stay on it. Face it, her husband did not say all those things about Sanders without running it by her first. Madeleine Albright wasn't invited on stage to deliver spontaneous thoughts.
Clinton's campaign is highly planned and the road it is on is the same old same old road that America's upper class has used to maintain its power and to win its battles against the middle class for decades.
Clinton's campaign is highly planned and the road it is on is the same old same old road that America's upper class has used to maintain its power and to win its battles against the middle class for decades.
If the New York Times ever knew what good sportsmanship looked like, it's clear the lesson didn't take.
Bernie Sanders won NH. That deserves some note of "well done." If not about him, then about his supporters--their enthusiasm, energy, etc. Or his campaign--number of small donors, positive note, etc.
Instead, we get something that sounds like someone's mother providing comfort after her kid lost out to their arch rival for the lead in the play.
Bernie Sanders won NH. That deserves some note of "well done." If not about him, then about his supporters--their enthusiasm, energy, etc. Or his campaign--number of small donors, positive note, etc.
Instead, we get something that sounds like someone's mother providing comfort after her kid lost out to their arch rival for the lead in the play.
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That which doesn't kill me makes me stronger. Every Times article disparaging Sanders and extolling Clinton sends more money and more enthusiasm Sanders' way. And he's leveling up on all the support.
Bernie Sanders - recently unknown to non-political-junkies a year ago - essentially tied Hillary Clinton - the most famous woman in America - in the Iowa caucuses.
Then Senator Sanders beat Secretary Clinton 60% to 39% in New Hampshire after the Clinton campaign hurled a few desperate, last-second, anti-Bernie Molotov cocktails from Madeline Albright and Bill Clinton.
Hillary Clinton has a big problem - she's already lost twice to the underdog - she's 0 for 2 realistically speaking.
Bernie Sanders just keeps on plugging along, raising $25 from everybody, telling the truth, repeating the simple fact that America has been rigged by 0.1% rip-off artists and inspiring millions of people to participate in voting and in a political revolution.
Hillary's half-baked, half-hearted, triangulating liberalism can't hold a candle to Bernie Sander's real-deal liberalism and honesty.
Let the two candidates fight it out, but I don't see the Democratic Party nominating a former Goldwater Girl as their nominee.
The only pressure test will be for future Democratic primary voters to see if they have the courage to vote for Bernie after they've been propagandized with the trope that Bernie and his good ideas cannot win in November.
Bernie Sanders can win in November.
All Senator Sanders needs to do is to keep telling the ugly truth to Americans and keep winning primaries.
The Republicans will always have their propaganda to keep themselves warm and detached from reality.
Feel The Bern
Then Senator Sanders beat Secretary Clinton 60% to 39% in New Hampshire after the Clinton campaign hurled a few desperate, last-second, anti-Bernie Molotov cocktails from Madeline Albright and Bill Clinton.
Hillary Clinton has a big problem - she's already lost twice to the underdog - she's 0 for 2 realistically speaking.
Bernie Sanders just keeps on plugging along, raising $25 from everybody, telling the truth, repeating the simple fact that America has been rigged by 0.1% rip-off artists and inspiring millions of people to participate in voting and in a political revolution.
Hillary's half-baked, half-hearted, triangulating liberalism can't hold a candle to Bernie Sander's real-deal liberalism and honesty.
Let the two candidates fight it out, but I don't see the Democratic Party nominating a former Goldwater Girl as their nominee.
The only pressure test will be for future Democratic primary voters to see if they have the courage to vote for Bernie after they've been propagandized with the trope that Bernie and his good ideas cannot win in November.
Bernie Sanders can win in November.
All Senator Sanders needs to do is to keep telling the ugly truth to Americans and keep winning primaries.
The Republicans will always have their propaganda to keep themselves warm and detached from reality.
Feel The Bern
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I still support Hillary Clinton, This is from Factcheck.org:
Q: Did Hillary Clinton work for Goldwater?
"I wasn’t born a Democrat," Hillary Rodham Clinton writes on page one of her autobiography, "Living History."
She grew up in Park Ridge, Ill., a Republican suburb of Chicago, and describes her father, Hugh Rodham Jr., as a "rock-ribbed, up-by-your-bootstraps, conservative Republican and proud of it" (page 11). Her 9th-grade history teacher was also a very conservative Republican who encouraged her to read Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater’s 1960 book, "Conscience of a Conservative," ...
Hillary Clinton ..,I was also an active Young Republican and, later, a Goldwater girl, right down to my cowgirl outfit and straw cowboy hat emblazoned with the slogan "AuH20." … I liked Senator Goldwater because he was a rugged individualist who swam against the political tide.
...
Clinton writes that she began to have doubts about Goldwater’s politics even before she left high school, when a teacher forced her to play President Johnson during a mock presidential debate in order to "learn about issues from the other side" Later, as a junior at Wellesley College, she writes, "I had gone from being a Goldwater Girl to supporting the anti-war campaign of Eugene McCarthy," ..
At Yale Law School, however, she completed her transformation from Goldwater Republican to liberal Democrat.
Q: Did Hillary Clinton work for Goldwater?
"I wasn’t born a Democrat," Hillary Rodham Clinton writes on page one of her autobiography, "Living History."
She grew up in Park Ridge, Ill., a Republican suburb of Chicago, and describes her father, Hugh Rodham Jr., as a "rock-ribbed, up-by-your-bootstraps, conservative Republican and proud of it" (page 11). Her 9th-grade history teacher was also a very conservative Republican who encouraged her to read Arizona Sen. Barry Goldwater’s 1960 book, "Conscience of a Conservative," ...
Hillary Clinton ..,I was also an active Young Republican and, later, a Goldwater girl, right down to my cowgirl outfit and straw cowboy hat emblazoned with the slogan "AuH20." … I liked Senator Goldwater because he was a rugged individualist who swam against the political tide.
...
Clinton writes that she began to have doubts about Goldwater’s politics even before she left high school, when a teacher forced her to play President Johnson during a mock presidential debate in order to "learn about issues from the other side" Later, as a junior at Wellesley College, she writes, "I had gone from being a Goldwater Girl to supporting the anti-war campaign of Eugene McCarthy," ..
At Yale Law School, however, she completed her transformation from Goldwater Republican to liberal Democrat.
There's no way Americans are going to vote for a socialist in the general election.
Hillary got trounced in NH after eking out a tie in IA. I have been undecided between Bernie and Hillary, but now I'm solidly for Bernie in VA.
The deciding events was the recent shift to the old Clinton sharp practice in campaigning. First, Chelsea misrepresented Sanders' position on health insurance. Then Bill called Bernie a liar. Then those old feminist battle axes relegated to hell any woman who supports Bernie.
I've had enough of the same old Clinton game plan of underhanded deception and deceit.
The Democratic Party will sink or swim with Bernie. He's got my vote.
The deciding events was the recent shift to the old Clinton sharp practice in campaigning. First, Chelsea misrepresented Sanders' position on health insurance. Then Bill called Bernie a liar. Then those old feminist battle axes relegated to hell any woman who supports Bernie.
I've had enough of the same old Clinton game plan of underhanded deception and deceit.
The Democratic Party will sink or swim with Bernie. He's got my vote.
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Are you really blaming Hillary for things said by other women? I think you will find out that Senator Sanders is less than meets the eye, what then?
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The Democratic Party, a party Sanders recently joined, will sink or swim with him? Are you for real? You may not like Clinton but there is a lot more to this party than one senator from Vermont.
That's the American spirit. Do, or do not; there is no try.
A good call for sanity. This was an overwhelmingly White state that shares media markets with Vermont and Boston. The two candidate split the Democratic vote evenly; the only reason Bernie won is because he captured independents.
Let us not overinterpret one result.
I will also point you to a certain candidate who lost New Hampshire in 2008 but made a comeback, to put it mildly.
Let us not overinterpret one result.
I will also point you to a certain candidate who lost New Hampshire in 2008 but made a comeback, to put it mildly.
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I wouldn't belittle Bernie's appeal to independents if I were you. They will be up for grabs in November.
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@Kevin,
Bernie only won because he captured Independents? Wow. You were so gracious when you congratulated Sanders as a Clinton supporter, in the other article. I complimented you, enthusiastically. This is quite a switch.
You referred to party unity earlier. What of the Independents whom you've just dismissed? Will their support be worthless in November to Sanders or to Clinton?
I can't predict the future and I don't understand you're comment.
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Bernie only won because he captured Independents? Wow. You were so gracious when you congratulated Sanders as a Clinton supporter, in the other article. I complimented you, enthusiastically. This is quite a switch.
You referred to party unity earlier. What of the Independents whom you've just dismissed? Will their support be worthless in November to Sanders or to Clinton?
I can't predict the future and I don't understand you're comment.
2-10-16@1:07 am
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You're not black. Blacks remember what Bill Clinton did to them.
Clinton signed into law an omnibus crime bill in 1994 that included the federal "three strikes" provision, mandating life sentences for criminals convicted of a violent felony after two or more prior convictions, including drug crimes.
Even Bill Clinton acknowledges that his rule caused over-incarceration.
Clinton signed into law an omnibus crime bill in 1994 that included the federal "three strikes" provision, mandating life sentences for criminals convicted of a violent felony after two or more prior convictions, including drug crimes.
Even Bill Clinton acknowledges that his rule caused over-incarceration.
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Either of Bernie or Hillary would be far preferable to any Republican. But Bernie has shown himself to be the more disciplined and effective campaigner; while Hillary merely exhorts, Bernie inspires. What that portends for the general election is that Bernie would bring out more voters and potentially swing more congressional seats to the Democrats.
In my admittedly subjective opinion, Bernie Sanders' victory speech was a resonant echo of FDR.
In my admittedly subjective opinion, Bernie Sanders' victory speech was a resonant echo of FDR.
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He's the new New Deal, indeed!
But with tea party and oppositional republicans, he'll get nothing done.
An interesting note about that email and the link to Hillz donation form on my Android device. The form doesn't work properly and the donate button doesn't load. Of Hillz is getting less donations than they expected her mobile web team needs to fix that huge issue stat. Besides that point, frankly, considering the nasty tone of your average Bernie supporter I'm not surprised at all about Bill, Gloria and Madeline's line of attack over the last week. They are sick of Benie bros and so are a lot of us. What each of them said combined doesn't come close to the outright hatred spewed at Hillary by a large percentage of Bernie supporters online.
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Sarah, if HRC's contributions platform is ActBlue, something seems to be amiss there tonight. It may be no fault of her campaign.
Sarah, I don't see any hatred being spewed at Hillary Clinton here. Nor is there any nasty tone. What I see are people who are inspired by Sanders' message -- and not by Hillary. If you are a Clinton supporter, that is your right. But denigrating Sanders' supporters is the wrong way to go. By November, Democrats must be united behind their candidate, whoever that is.
I'm a strong Bernie supporter (one of the older ones), and I too am disgusted by the disgusting invective thrown at Hillary on line. I don't think they do either Bernie or the campaign as a whole any good. However, I do think there are a few things we have to keep in mind. While we may see a lot of it on line, that tone does NOT represent what you might hear from "your average Bernie supporter." Also, from the beginning Bernie has said very clearly that he does not want this to be a campaign built on personal attacks. However, the people writing this ugly stuff are not officially involved in the campaign - and in fact I sometimes have doubts about their motives since what they spew is so contrary to Bernie's own values. Because they're not official, they don't represent the candidate - which is good, except that aside from telling them to stop Senator Sanders can't actually force them to stop. It's a different case, though, With Bill Clinton, Gloria Steinem, and Madeleine Albright. They fall into the camp of surrogates, they appear on stage with Hillary, and their words can be taken as representing the candidate's view unless she quickly disassociates herself from their statements.
How is winning in South Carolina a fire wall for Clinton?
South Carolina has not voted for a progressive since Reconstruction.
She may carry the South in the primaries but lose in the swing states that really win or lose the general election. Strength in sates you will lose in the general election is not strength.
I hope the Super Delegates that may mean the difference in the convention are smart enough to realize this.
South Carolina has not voted for a progressive since Reconstruction.
She may carry the South in the primaries but lose in the swing states that really win or lose the general election. Strength in sates you will lose in the general election is not strength.
I hope the Super Delegates that may mean the difference in the convention are smart enough to realize this.
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What has been predicted, in addition to the results in New Hampshire, is that there would be lots of crowing by the Sanders camp as if New Hampshire represents the rest of the country. Not by a long shot. Iowa, New Hampshire, and Vermont are extreme states in that they contain a vast majority of white, liberal voters.
And to those citing the 2% difference in a single national poll between Hillary and Bernie, keep in mind that this is not the general election. It's all about delegates. All remaining states are more diverse, more conservative, and (most of them) have far more delegates than New Hampshire. And, most do not allow the crossover voting that New Hampshire does.
Hillary supporters are still with her. We've seen her testify before the House witchhunt committee. We know her qualifications. We're fine with the fact that she's a good politician and a well-funded one. She'll need all of that to win the general election.
And to those citing the 2% difference in a single national poll between Hillary and Bernie, keep in mind that this is not the general election. It's all about delegates. All remaining states are more diverse, more conservative, and (most of them) have far more delegates than New Hampshire. And, most do not allow the crossover voting that New Hampshire does.
Hillary supporters are still with her. We've seen her testify before the House witchhunt committee. We know her qualifications. We're fine with the fact that she's a good politician and a well-funded one. She'll need all of that to win the general election.
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New Hampshire is a conservative Republican State. If New Hampshire had voted for Al Gore in the 2000 general election, Al Gore would have been elected President, despite Florida, and sparing the USA and world eight disastrous years of the Cheney-Bush.
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Often times when a campaign makes statements that no changes are pending results in changes being made. For example it's rather odd that Bill Clinton would talk about sexists remarks by the Sanders campaign given his past. That's a detriment for sure
Hillary's campaign has some of the same operatives that Bill has and the message is dated and not reflective of today's electorate. It has to change
Second, trying to minimize Wall Street's cumulative affect is hurting her greatly.Sanders is dominating among women under 30 and actually leads by 4% overall with women. She has to own up to it or Sanders will continue to hammer her WallStreet connection which will only damage her campaign in the long term
Hillary's campaign has some of the same operatives that Bill has and the message is dated and not reflective of today's electorate. It has to change
Second, trying to minimize Wall Street's cumulative affect is hurting her greatly.Sanders is dominating among women under 30 and actually leads by 4% overall with women. She has to own up to it or Sanders will continue to hammer her WallStreet connection which will only damage her campaign in the long term
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People seem to assume that Sanders' most attractive message is about health care or college tuition. I don't think it is. Sanders' most attractive message is about campaign finance reform -- about having a government that actually represents its people, in the most basic sense. No wonder independents and Republicans are interested. Most Americans understand there will be (and should be) a push and pull about public policy. How do you balance public safety with not wanting to lock people up and throw away the key -- these are legitimate debates. It's fine to have those debates.
But the average American now recognizes that they aren't even part of the debate anymore. Their wishes are being left out of the debate entirely. Only big money gets a place at the table. No wonder they are furious.
But the average American now recognizes that they aren't even part of the debate anymore. Their wishes are being left out of the debate entirely. Only big money gets a place at the table. No wonder they are furious.
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Hillary is for campaign finance reform. There are few Democrats who aren't.
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Is it possible you overlooked Hillarys position on campaign finance reform? They are essentially the same.
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In his book "Socialism," Ludwig von Mises says that resentment is behind all socialist ideas. I don't entirely agree, but reading some of the comments, it's pretty evident what he meant. And there's no doubt much truth to it.
I would love to see the Sanders people get their wish, just to show them that good intentions alone don't produce their intended results. We learn nothing from history, nothing. Every socialist who ever lived wanted to help the downtrodden.
Imagine the disutility of labor that would ensue under the hyper-welfare state Sanders wants to build; the effect on productivity would be interesting to observe. Sanders seems to see the drive to obtain wealth as sinful. I'd like to see him run a country whose regulatory and tax regimes are so punishing that entrepreneurs and innovators are driven away.
Sanders knows nothing about anything, not even inequality, Wall Street, and healthcare, subjects you'd think he'd be knowledgable about, considering his constant discussion of them. On foreign policy, we didn't need The Times's story to tell us that he knows nothing whatsoever.
Sanders supporters, if you don't want to be "talked down to," then answer the looming questions about Sanders's policy platform without resorting to ad hominem attacks. You people are far more intelligent than Trump's backers, right?
It's not enough to say "Clinton is the Corporate Candidate and Bernie is the People's Candidate." Mr. Chavez cared about people, too, I'm sure.
I would love to see the Sanders people get their wish, just to show them that good intentions alone don't produce their intended results. We learn nothing from history, nothing. Every socialist who ever lived wanted to help the downtrodden.
Imagine the disutility of labor that would ensue under the hyper-welfare state Sanders wants to build; the effect on productivity would be interesting to observe. Sanders seems to see the drive to obtain wealth as sinful. I'd like to see him run a country whose regulatory and tax regimes are so punishing that entrepreneurs and innovators are driven away.
Sanders knows nothing about anything, not even inequality, Wall Street, and healthcare, subjects you'd think he'd be knowledgable about, considering his constant discussion of them. On foreign policy, we didn't need The Times's story to tell us that he knows nothing whatsoever.
Sanders supporters, if you don't want to be "talked down to," then answer the looming questions about Sanders's policy platform without resorting to ad hominem attacks. You people are far more intelligent than Trump's backers, right?
It's not enough to say "Clinton is the Corporate Candidate and Bernie is the People's Candidate." Mr. Chavez cared about people, too, I'm sure.
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I don't believe that people's desire for fairness is born of resentment. Fairness, equality and opportunity are the heart of the American dream.
Capitalism requires a level playing field. Insider advantage and monopoly were antithetical to Smith (he rejected the state sponsored mercantilism of 18th century Britain) who also thought great concentrations of wealth in a few hands destroy free markets. Simply markets need consumers, who need money.
As to your Austrian theories: Sanders does not want a "hyper-welfare state" . Rather he seeks to restore the balance between labor and capital. Ironically, his proposal for free college tuition could add more skilled workers to the labor supply, thus depressing wages. RE: "disutility of labor" and "the effect on productivity". There is a real fear that an social safety net might encourage people to leave miserable jobs and miserable employers. This is the core argument against welfare and unemployment insurance. Greedy corporatism needs people to remain stuck in dead end jobs. Now I finally understand opposition to the ACA and universal health care., and even Social Security. If employers are the only entities offering health insurance and retirement benefits, employers can hold this over them, thus turning a job into serfdom. Talk about destroying the entrepreneurial spirit! Re: innovation. Silicon Valley has no trouble selling their products. Amazing the marketability when a product isn't shoddy, or petroleum or tobacco based.
Capitalism requires a level playing field. Insider advantage and monopoly were antithetical to Smith (he rejected the state sponsored mercantilism of 18th century Britain) who also thought great concentrations of wealth in a few hands destroy free markets. Simply markets need consumers, who need money.
As to your Austrian theories: Sanders does not want a "hyper-welfare state" . Rather he seeks to restore the balance between labor and capital. Ironically, his proposal for free college tuition could add more skilled workers to the labor supply, thus depressing wages. RE: "disutility of labor" and "the effect on productivity". There is a real fear that an social safety net might encourage people to leave miserable jobs and miserable employers. This is the core argument against welfare and unemployment insurance. Greedy corporatism needs people to remain stuck in dead end jobs. Now I finally understand opposition to the ACA and universal health care., and even Social Security. If employers are the only entities offering health insurance and retirement benefits, employers can hold this over them, thus turning a job into serfdom. Talk about destroying the entrepreneurial spirit! Re: innovation. Silicon Valley has no trouble selling their products. Amazing the marketability when a product isn't shoddy, or petroleum or tobacco based.
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We don't need to imagine what the social democracy that Sanders advocates looks like; we need only consider the dozens of European countries who have been following that model to one degree or another since WWII, and speak with their citizens. I have, and the answers are enlightening: oddly enough, people are a great deal more productive when they are not about to lose their homes to an unscrupulous lender, when both parents receive paid leave after the birth of a child, when working full time means they can afford to live a decent life, when getting sick does not portend financial ruin, and when they have 6 to 8 weeks of paid vacation time per year. In Germany, where all these things are the norm, citizens are very productive, there is no shortage of entrepreneurs, and there is certainly no shortage of worldwide demand for German products.
We must move beyond the tired truisms that we were taught in the '50's and '60's. Bernie is not advocating the sort of dystopian nightmare of lethargy that his opponents gleefully describe; he is advocating the sort of government Adam Smith envisioned: one that allows capitalism to reach its vast potential by properly controlling the more self-destructive elements contained within. This means regulations by a representative government.
Without proper controls, all free markets will gravitate toward monopoly, and that is not the capitalistic model that works for anyone but a tiny few.
We must move beyond the tired truisms that we were taught in the '50's and '60's. Bernie is not advocating the sort of dystopian nightmare of lethargy that his opponents gleefully describe; he is advocating the sort of government Adam Smith envisioned: one that allows capitalism to reach its vast potential by properly controlling the more self-destructive elements contained within. This means regulations by a representative government.
Without proper controls, all free markets will gravitate toward monopoly, and that is not the capitalistic model that works for anyone but a tiny few.
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This comment of David L. Jr.'s is so off-base.
1. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with wanting "to help the downtrodden" - so the assumption that history does not favor helping the downtrodden - that those who wish to help them have other agendas - is really just paranoid and silly.
2. Sanders is not for a "welfare state", nor will his policies be likely to dampen productivity. On the contrary! If the playing field is leveled, more people will have access to opportunities that allow productivity and innovation to thrive. So basic.
3. In no way shape or form does Sanders "see the drive to obtain wealth as sinful." David L. Jr. is not paying attention. Sanders is just saying that the .01 percent shouldn't own 90 percent of the wealth of the country - that something is off-kilter if this is the case - as it is. Does David L. Jr. not understand the basic economic facts here that have largely triggered support for Sanders?
David L. Jr.'s suggestion that Sanders is some variation of Cesar Chavez is patently absurd; and equally so is his line that if Sanders supporters "don't want to be talked down to" they shouldn't resort to "ad hominem attacks." I'm not for such attacks - even in the case of Hillary Clinton, a polarizing figure who fosters negativity, much of it understandable; but to have to endure the likes of David L. Jr. or far worse, the New York Times' editorial board - impugning, in broad strokes, the motives of Sanders' supporters, really goes too far.
1. There is nothing intrinsically wrong with wanting "to help the downtrodden" - so the assumption that history does not favor helping the downtrodden - that those who wish to help them have other agendas - is really just paranoid and silly.
2. Sanders is not for a "welfare state", nor will his policies be likely to dampen productivity. On the contrary! If the playing field is leveled, more people will have access to opportunities that allow productivity and innovation to thrive. So basic.
3. In no way shape or form does Sanders "see the drive to obtain wealth as sinful." David L. Jr. is not paying attention. Sanders is just saying that the .01 percent shouldn't own 90 percent of the wealth of the country - that something is off-kilter if this is the case - as it is. Does David L. Jr. not understand the basic economic facts here that have largely triggered support for Sanders?
David L. Jr.'s suggestion that Sanders is some variation of Cesar Chavez is patently absurd; and equally so is his line that if Sanders supporters "don't want to be talked down to" they shouldn't resort to "ad hominem attacks." I'm not for such attacks - even in the case of Hillary Clinton, a polarizing figure who fosters negativity, much of it understandable; but to have to endure the likes of David L. Jr. or far worse, the New York Times' editorial board - impugning, in broad strokes, the motives of Sanders' supporters, really goes too far.
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Yes, Hillary suffered a substantial loss in New Hampshire. Yes, the loss was predicted. What is always interesting is that commenters never fail to jump to conclusions about who will be the nominee based on whatever the most recent primary results happen to be. If Hillary learned one lesson from 2008, it is that the primary process is about the entire electoral map, and the need to garner enough delegates to win. This takes time and energy -- and a top-notch ground game. Hillary has endless amounts of energy, determination, and a far more developed overall ground game than Sanders. Slowly but surely over the coming months Hillary will build her delegate count up to the magic number, and will wind up as the Democratic nominee. The New York Times was right to endorse her, as she is the only candidate of either party with the experience to lead our country on domestic and foreign issues from Day One.
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@ALB: What experience? What accomplishments? If her past experience led HRC to abandon our four diplomats in Benghazi,then lie about the reasons for the terrorist attack on the compound, and her list of accomplishments in government as Senator and then Sec. of State, is indeed a short one, then why the commonly held myth that if elected, HRC would be ready on Day One to carry out the duties of c-in-c?Focus group of her supporters.when asked to name HRC's accomplishments, could not indicate a single one. Recall that HRC had so little interest in Libya, even after repeated requests for help from CS, that she visited the country only one time, and her tour was brief.Finally, as Congressman Clyburn pointed out, HRC should not take black voters for granted in South Carolina. Sanders's charisma,havng carried him to a landslide win in N.H., may also work wonders for him in S.C. and HRC, come primary day there, may be in for a "surprise affreuse!"What impresses voters in Sanders is the strength of his convictions. HRC lacks that faith, that idee fixe., and I say this w/o "partie pris."
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"Hillary has endless amounts of energy, determination, and a far more developed overall ground game than Sanders. "
Here in Pittsburgh the grassroots Sanders campaign began in June. Met in July with 100 people. In August with 450. Hillary's first organizing meeting in Pittsburgh was on February 4th.
Here in Pittsburgh the grassroots Sanders campaign began in June. Met in July with 100 people. In August with 450. Hillary's first organizing meeting in Pittsburgh was on February 4th.
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What exactly proves that Mrs. Clinton can "lead"? She has held several prominent positions in Washington and, through marriage, in Arkansas. What actual signs of her "leadership", other than titles, can be demonstrated? Her titles and her high fees from the financial establishment are the only markers of her "accomplishments". She is the consummate political operator.
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Why could you not congratulate Bernie Sanders on his decisive win? What does he have to do to get some positive press in the Times? Does everything have to be seen through the lens of Hillary Clinton? My mother used to tell me that as people age they are themselves only more so. HC has proved this with her performance so far. Nothing was learned in her 2008 campaign. Her sense of entitlement has grown perversely along with her desperation. The more she contrives to be authentic, the less she is taken at face value. She cannot have her cake and eat it too. Amassing a fortune in the millions along with her husband paired with her "dead broke" remark does not make her a fighter for ordinary Americans. Trotting out 20th century feminists to try to cow young women to support her is frankly insulting and offensive. Hillary Clinton has always painted herself as the victim, the fighter, but in reality she is entrenched in the 1%. Bernie Sanders has a vision for the US that is for ordinary people: health care, college tuition, reining in the power of the banks and financial institutions, and more. He has managed to fight the Clinton machine without resorting to dirty tactics and the low road. He may have big dreams for the country, but if you don't try, nothing changes. And finally, he is an authentic human being, one of uncompromising integrity. He deserves better than the short shrift you've given him.
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Thank you for such a remarkably eloquent comment. It's sad to see what has happened to HC & sadder still to find that second-wave feminists feel it necessary to insult younger women who support a bold & courageous candidate like Bernie Sanders. It is tiresome to keep being told that he "can't win"! For one thing, he just DID win, and won big. Perhaps he will win again & again & again, which is what this country, feminists included, deserves.
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A magnificent summation.
Yes Yes Yes
Are you listening, NYTimes, our newspaper "of record"?
Yes Yes Yes
Are you listening, NYTimes, our newspaper "of record"?
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Judy, I don't think either candidate deserves "congratulation" for a win, decisive or otherwise. I doubt you congratulated Hillary for her narrow win in Iowa.
My concerns are about which Democratic candidate do I think can win the election, and I don't think either the Iowa caucuses or the New Hampshire primary tell us much. The do allow the candidates an audience, but the number of delegates is negligible.
You go on to state reasons why you don't like Hillary -- these are the ones Republicans make routinely, and then tell me "He may have big dreams for the country, but if you don't try, nothing changes."
My point to you is simple, the only metric I have is "Which Democrat is a safer bet to win the election?" And it isn't obvious ... but one thing: all the Republicans want to run against Bernie ... why is that?
My concerns are about which Democratic candidate do I think can win the election, and I don't think either the Iowa caucuses or the New Hampshire primary tell us much. The do allow the candidates an audience, but the number of delegates is negligible.
You go on to state reasons why you don't like Hillary -- these are the ones Republicans make routinely, and then tell me "He may have big dreams for the country, but if you don't try, nothing changes."
My point to you is simple, the only metric I have is "Which Democrat is a safer bet to win the election?" And it isn't obvious ... but one thing: all the Republicans want to run against Bernie ... why is that?
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Your editorial is more about Mrs. Clinton's loss than about the overwhelming Bernie Sanders victory which it certainly was.
It is important to acknowledge that Sanders is a force to be reckoned with, for he very nearly won in Iowa and, despite the Clinton team throwing everything but the proverbial kitchen sink at Sanders in NH, he still won big.
Mrs. Clinton pointed out repeatedly that despite Sanders being in the Congress for many years, she is supported by senators, governors and other elected officials. The fact that Sanders overcame such overwhelming establishment support for Mrs. Clinton is a reflection of the deep dissatisfaction of the electorate with the establishment, something Mrs. Clinton has failed to realize.
Mrs. Clinton has also failed to realize the dissatisfaction of the electorate with the country's absurd campaign financing system, for she continues to accept the support of Super PACs and notoriously accepted absurd amounts in speaking fees from Wall Street firms, despite the contempt with which most people hold these firms that nearly bankrupt the country.
It is appropriate then for the electorate to ask who will better represent them in Washington. NH answered that call and overwhelmingly supported Mr. Sanders. If Mrs. Clinton takes the response of the NH voters lightly, she'll do so at her own peril.
It is important to acknowledge that Sanders is a force to be reckoned with, for he very nearly won in Iowa and, despite the Clinton team throwing everything but the proverbial kitchen sink at Sanders in NH, he still won big.
Mrs. Clinton pointed out repeatedly that despite Sanders being in the Congress for many years, she is supported by senators, governors and other elected officials. The fact that Sanders overcame such overwhelming establishment support for Mrs. Clinton is a reflection of the deep dissatisfaction of the electorate with the establishment, something Mrs. Clinton has failed to realize.
Mrs. Clinton has also failed to realize the dissatisfaction of the electorate with the country's absurd campaign financing system, for she continues to accept the support of Super PACs and notoriously accepted absurd amounts in speaking fees from Wall Street firms, despite the contempt with which most people hold these firms that nearly bankrupt the country.
It is appropriate then for the electorate to ask who will better represent them in Washington. NH answered that call and overwhelmingly supported Mr. Sanders. If Mrs. Clinton takes the response of the NH voters lightly, she'll do so at her own peril.
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The media has been framing the message all along. It needs to examine the policies of each candidate in depth--that is its role as the Fourth Estate--to hold those in power accountable. Poetry is deemed authentic, no matter how unrealistic, whereas prose is somehow dismissed as uninspiring. I am not especially impressed by candidates who promise the moon, but lack a track record of getting things done.
Obviously, Trump will continue to say whatever he wants without being damaged, but I am reassured by national polls which consistently affirm that the American people aren't completely swayed by his hyperbole.
While there is clearly a howl for change, especially among those who haven't benefited from the recovery, I am personally not willing to sign on to carry a pitchfork and storm the castle. I think it is shameful that so few have so much, but I think there are ways to change our system so that everyone has the same starting point. I think many fundamentally misread the majority of the American people. Large social programs were not initially open to all, although you wouldn't know it from politicians on the road and that points to the continuing fault lines of class, race and gender. Any wholesale plan to remake America has to deal with all of those isms without marginalizing any of them because they all intersect. This headline referenced Clinton, but all candidates should take heed.
Obviously, Trump will continue to say whatever he wants without being damaged, but I am reassured by national polls which consistently affirm that the American people aren't completely swayed by his hyperbole.
While there is clearly a howl for change, especially among those who haven't benefited from the recovery, I am personally not willing to sign on to carry a pitchfork and storm the castle. I think it is shameful that so few have so much, but I think there are ways to change our system so that everyone has the same starting point. I think many fundamentally misread the majority of the American people. Large social programs were not initially open to all, although you wouldn't know it from politicians on the road and that points to the continuing fault lines of class, race and gender. Any wholesale plan to remake America has to deal with all of those isms without marginalizing any of them because they all intersect. This headline referenced Clinton, but all candidates should take heed.
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Clinton can win but she needs to understand that the politics which made her husband successful is out of date, she needs to find another path. What are the voters telling the candidates by their enthusiasm for Trump and Sanders? The politics of both Parties is defunct, they are not addressing the needs of the voters, they are catering to the wants of their big campaign contributors. The vast majority of the people are less prosperous than they were back in the 1990's and even then they were less prosperous than they were in the late 1960's, those who remember that is. Trump is promising to rectify that by restoring the great wealth creating engine that used to provide prosperity for all. Sanders is promising to redistribute the wealth to assure that all have enough to live comfortably. Trump will attract manufacturing by cutting wages to bring jobs back from China. Those jobs in China are not living wages even in China. Sanders will just increase taxes to stabilize and to raise the social support institutions so that they furnish everyone's needs. Trump's plan is stupid because the American consumer is the major consumer for the global economy and he's going to reduce them to such a low standard of living that nobody will be able to sell much of anything to Americans. Sanders is not even addressing the lack of economic growth. Neither has any clue about foreign policy. If Clinton is rational, she can win.
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Sanders and Trump address all this. We can talk about economic growth after we have a healthy economy, which means a few trillions need to vanish, because they are outrageous costs to American consumer saddled with debt.
Right now the US economy is a Ponzi scheme with the proceeds going to the TOP and the losses to everyone else.
Right now the US economy is a Ponzi scheme with the proceeds going to the TOP and the losses to everyone else.
The GOOD NEWS for both Senator Sanders and Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton is that democrat turnout appears to be much better than republican/libertarian/tea party. That's the secret for socially conscious democrats and independents to keep the White House and get back both the Senate and U.S. House of Representatives as well as state legislatures and governorships. Socially conscious is the key.
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"The Clinton Team’s New Hampshire Pressure Test", indeed. Earth to NYT: the Sanders team also underwent a pressure test. and it passed. Credit where credit is due, please.
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Americans are catching on very quickly that the status quo provides no future for the vast majority of Americans.
I grew up in California with nearly free education. I went to law school with relatively affordable law school tuition.
I looked at my wife tonight and said if we were young people growing up today we may not have been able to afford going to college and would surely not have gone to law school.
My generation needs to understand the status quo is simply unsustainable. If you care about your children, grandchildren, and generations beyond, vote for Sanders.
I grew up in California with nearly free education. I went to law school with relatively affordable law school tuition.
I looked at my wife tonight and said if we were young people growing up today we may not have been able to afford going to college and would surely not have gone to law school.
My generation needs to understand the status quo is simply unsustainable. If you care about your children, grandchildren, and generations beyond, vote for Sanders.
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I also grew up in CA when the UC system was virtually free. After Cal, I also went to a UC law school. My son went through the UC system when it as still fairly affordable. What happened to the UC system and many public universities and colleges across the country was not caused by by Republicans cutting taxes over and over again, draining public education. Even when Reagan was governor, when the economy lagged, we used to increase the top tax bracket to insure the state could maintain spending. Republicans cut taxes and were able to prevent any tax increases in bad years they had a few votes int he state Senate. Tuition and fees were raised over and over again because of spending cuts. This happened all over the country. I would love it if the we had free higher ed for everyone. I have been a supporter of universal healthcare since the '70's. Single payer is only 1 way to achieve it. I am all for all the family friendly programs that they have in western Europe. If I could waive a magic wand and immediately have them, I would. But I have also learned over the past 50 years that there are no magic wands. Progress comes incrementally. We need to build on and protect what we have achieved. The Democratic Party has to be united behind its nominee. Sander's supporters need to realize that. I wonder if they do from the comments I read almost daily.
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Scott -- I grew up in California -- graduated from the UC system. It's tuition was anything but "nearly free" in the years I attended '69 - '73 ... adjusted for inflation it is on par to what I am spending now for my daughter in college.
Also, it's always been true that the costs of residence for a residential school are greater than the tuition, for any public university I know of -- and these days it is harder to cut living costs in most places than it was when I was in college.
I agree with you though that without family support I think a residential 4-year college degree is getting priced out of many young people's lives, and I am really sorry about that ... but the reality is that it was more expensive back then than you think ... and a lot of people couldn't afford it then, and didn't.
The difference today is that the work opportunities without that degree are so much poorer, so people are much more desperate to get the degree.
Also, it's always been true that the costs of residence for a residential school are greater than the tuition, for any public university I know of -- and these days it is harder to cut living costs in most places than it was when I was in college.
I agree with you though that without family support I think a residential 4-year college degree is getting priced out of many young people's lives, and I am really sorry about that ... but the reality is that it was more expensive back then than you think ... and a lot of people couldn't afford it then, and didn't.
The difference today is that the work opportunities without that degree are so much poorer, so people are much more desperate to get the degree.
But what good is that if he has another republican congress.
If Hillary had won New Hampshire this editorial would have been about her momentum and inevitability. Not so with Bernie. The mainstream media followed Clinton's lead for more than 6 months in pointedly ignoring Bernie's existence. Now the media is following her lead by minimizing Bernie's popularity. Even stories that are allegedly about Bernie are really about Clinton, i.e. how is Clinton going to deal with Bernie, react to Bernie etc. etc. Imagine if the media had not already declared Clinton the winner and the candidates played on an even playing field?
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If Hillary had won in New Hampshire yes indeed it would have been ballyhooed to high heaven, because everybody knew that Bernie was going to win. Your point is what?
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Sanders has some serious flaws and vulnerabilities that have barely been surmised. Actuarial tables, anyone? His supporters should not gloat too much nor too soon. Viciously repeating all the anti-Hillary propaganda that the right wing has been spouting for years will not help anybody either. In the unlikely case that he wins the nomination he doesn't stand a chance in hell without the support of Hillary supporters. She gets my vote because she's the most experienced and qualified and the only one who will prevail against the GOP's scorch the earth, party before country approach to opposition. They would eat Bernie alive - in one bite.
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Amazing, NYT.
You all dump on Cam for his post-game interview - but can't yourselves summon up the grace to congratulate Bernie...
...and his supporters - many of whom are now en route to a special place in hell.
You're about as democratic an institution as our elite universities are, when it comes to true merit, achievement, and diversity of thought.
You'll have some measured words - probably put up after midnight, and pulled down before 9 AM.
As you talk about Clinton's anticipated victories in the South, think of how much you sound like - and reek of - Confederate leadership in 1862.
You all dump on Cam for his post-game interview - but can't yourselves summon up the grace to congratulate Bernie...
...and his supporters - many of whom are now en route to a special place in hell.
You're about as democratic an institution as our elite universities are, when it comes to true merit, achievement, and diversity of thought.
You'll have some measured words - probably put up after midnight, and pulled down before 9 AM.
As you talk about Clinton's anticipated victories in the South, think of how much you sound like - and reek of - Confederate leadership in 1862.
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Awesome post. Sick of the Times coverage for the Clintons.
@W in the Middle
I understand your frustration with the Times' spin of the NH election results as more of a Hillary loss than an overwhelming Bernie win. However, equating the Times' editorial board to the Confederate leadership is a bit of a stretch.
That being said, it would be a mistake for the Times to disregard Bernie's support among the people, especially the young people, as a flash in the pan. The Times, which supported Hillary in 2008 over Obama, is, I believe, making the same mistake again by its continued support for Mrs. Clinton.
I understand your frustration with the Times' spin of the NH election results as more of a Hillary loss than an overwhelming Bernie win. However, equating the Times' editorial board to the Confederate leadership is a bit of a stretch.
That being said, it would be a mistake for the Times to disregard Bernie's support among the people, especially the young people, as a flash in the pan. The Times, which supported Hillary in 2008 over Obama, is, I believe, making the same mistake again by its continued support for Mrs. Clinton.
I wish we could be civil.
To paraphrase Dennis Green, the past couple of days have shown us that "[The Clintons] are who we thought they were." Again.
The Clinton's campaign's clearly orchestrated but stranger-than-fiction Steinem/Albright/Bill statements provide more nails to a presidential campaign coffin that's sealing up fast. To think the Clintons could come up with a collection of statements MORE damaging than the 'dead broke' line is amazing. Secretary Clinton laughing beside Albright and smugly taking a drink is not just grotesque but Disney-esque.
To have the biggest named, "best qualified," most bankrolled candidate in Democratic politics lose to a self-described socialist is laughable -- except for the fact that it showcases the failings of our current electoral system.
The Clinton's real achievement in New Hampshire is that they have simply provided the final stage dressing for Mayor Bloomberg to enter the race. Thankfully, there is a real hero in this tale of electoral dysfunction.
The Clinton's campaign's clearly orchestrated but stranger-than-fiction Steinem/Albright/Bill statements provide more nails to a presidential campaign coffin that's sealing up fast. To think the Clintons could come up with a collection of statements MORE damaging than the 'dead broke' line is amazing. Secretary Clinton laughing beside Albright and smugly taking a drink is not just grotesque but Disney-esque.
To have the biggest named, "best qualified," most bankrolled candidate in Democratic politics lose to a self-described socialist is laughable -- except for the fact that it showcases the failings of our current electoral system.
The Clinton's real achievement in New Hampshire is that they have simply provided the final stage dressing for Mayor Bloomberg to enter the race. Thankfully, there is a real hero in this tale of electoral dysfunction.
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Bloomberg overturned 2 "binding" referenda imposing term limits, then outspent his charismatically challenged opponent 30:1, to win by four points. So deep was Bloomberg fatigue by the end that right now he might lose four of NYC's five boroughs.
Add to that that he's the most fervently anti gun candidate on the horizon, and his nanny state attacks on soda drinkers, and it's hard to see him drawing significant Republicant support. All he would do is split democratic and moderate votes to facilitate a win for the Republicant nominee. His only path to an actual victory is to emerge from a brokered convention. The last independent to win any electoral votes was George Wallace, inflicting Nixon on us. No hero, he. Napoleon Bloomaparte has little regard for the freedom of speech, assembly and redress of grievances sections of the First Amendment, and zero regard for the Second and Fourth Amendments. I have little faith in him as a potential steward of the Fifth and Sixth, either.
Add to that that he's the most fervently anti gun candidate on the horizon, and his nanny state attacks on soda drinkers, and it's hard to see him drawing significant Republicant support. All he would do is split democratic and moderate votes to facilitate a win for the Republicant nominee. His only path to an actual victory is to emerge from a brokered convention. The last independent to win any electoral votes was George Wallace, inflicting Nixon on us. No hero, he. Napoleon Bloomaparte has little regard for the freedom of speech, assembly and redress of grievances sections of the First Amendment, and zero regard for the Second and Fourth Amendments. I have little faith in him as a potential steward of the Fifth and Sixth, either.
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Hillary knows foreign policy, and is the hands down expert among all candidates -- the others don't talk about foreign policy (on both sides of the isle.)
Now that we have a paid army -- no draft -- there is an absence in concern: "Hell no, we won't go," is off the table. We have hired guns and drones.
Now that we have a paid army -- no draft -- there is an absence in concern: "Hell no, we won't go," is off the table. We have hired guns and drones.
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Is she running for Secretary of State?
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She knows foreign policy? Wrong on Iraq. Wrong on regime change in Libya. Iraq midwifed ISIS, now appearing n Libya. Not the kind of expertise I'm looking for, thanks.
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In the last debate Clinton bragged that Kissinger said she was an excellent secretary of state. This puts her on the wrong side of history.
U.S. foreign policy, for decades, has been about using our military to make the world safe for global corporations, like big oil. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
The home countries of the corporations pumping oil in Iraq right now are in descending order, the Netherlands, Malaysia, China, Malaysia, France, China, Italy, USA,...
We created ISIS by invading Iraq.
Misguided U.S. citizens are joining ISIS because they have been taught that violence is the solution to every problem, but then they found out that our foreign policy is completely at odds with our stated goal of creating democracy around the world.
We foment revolutions in countries that want to control their own resources democratically. Declassified cables show that under Kissinger we overturned the democratically elected government of Chile, for example, and replaced him with a right wing dictator, then turned a blind eye to murder and torture.
All of those children fleeing gang violence in Central America are coming from countries where Ronald Reagan waged war on people that wanted to take care of poor people at the expense pf corporate profits.
Hillary proved with her Iraq vote and as Secretary of State she supports status quo. If you want to stop terrorism, we have to stop terrorizing everyone that stands in the way of profits.
U.S. foreign policy, for decades, has been about using our military to make the world safe for global corporations, like big oil. https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Smedley_Butler
The home countries of the corporations pumping oil in Iraq right now are in descending order, the Netherlands, Malaysia, China, Malaysia, France, China, Italy, USA,...
We created ISIS by invading Iraq.
Misguided U.S. citizens are joining ISIS because they have been taught that violence is the solution to every problem, but then they found out that our foreign policy is completely at odds with our stated goal of creating democracy around the world.
We foment revolutions in countries that want to control their own resources democratically. Declassified cables show that under Kissinger we overturned the democratically elected government of Chile, for example, and replaced him with a right wing dictator, then turned a blind eye to murder and torture.
All of those children fleeing gang violence in Central America are coming from countries where Ronald Reagan waged war on people that wanted to take care of poor people at the expense pf corporate profits.
Hillary proved with her Iraq vote and as Secretary of State she supports status quo. If you want to stop terrorism, we have to stop terrorizing everyone that stands in the way of profits.
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Even though it's only the first primary and many of us have memories of her long, hard-fought battle against Barack Obama eight years ago it's hard to see how Hillary Clinton comes back from this defeat. This time, she has no compelling, cogent rationale for her candidacy (hence, feminist icons Madeiine Albright and Gloria Steinem desperately hectoring female voters to "get with the program" and vote for the potential first woman president) and no enthusiasm from any subgroup that voted Tuesday., including women and self-professed Democrats. Her campaign from this point on will of necessity become a rear-guard action by an ever more panicky Democratic Party establishment against the grassroots insurgency that is the Bernie Sanders campaign. In that, it will resemble nothing less than the gang-up by the Democratic establishment against another insurgent powered by young upstarts, George McGovern in 1972. We know how that turned out. If the party elders don't watch out, they'll ensure another defeat.
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It will be a re-do of the RALPH NADER vs Al Gore campaign.
We know Repubs won that one.
This time it's BERNIE vs Hillary, all set for another Republican win!! ! !
We know Repubs won that one.
This time it's BERNIE vs Hillary, all set for another Republican win!! ! !
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Astute commentary: I like your comparison of HRC to McGovern, rather than the nearly accusatory (by anti-Bern Dems) suggestions that a vote for Sanders = a vote for McGovern.
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McGovern ran against a sitting President. Bernie will be running against a version of Barry Goldwater. And possibly another Republican Billionaire. The outcome looks good.
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So, "I'm entitled to be the next president" is not a winning strategy?
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That line is tiresome. When did she ever say that? No one out works Hillary. I believe she will prevail for that reason.
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Can you that believe for eight years no one told her!
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"For the candidates who go on, the trick is not letting these results go to their heads, or get under their skins."
And so it goes for the Clinton apologists at The New York Times editorial board. Had the opposite happened - Clinton crushing Sanders - this line would never have seen the light of day.
And so it goes for the Clinton apologists at The New York Times editorial board. Had the opposite happened - Clinton crushing Sanders - this line would never have seen the light of day.
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Excellent observation.
Yes, and it's time that the NYTimes (our nation's "paper of record") be placed under the control of a board rather than the long-running single family control.
If Clinton had won in New Hampshire, even by a little, I have little doubt that the Times would have encouraged Sanders to get out of the race, clearing the way for Clinton. Sadly, the Times seems to be reducing itself to the level of a tabloid newspaper.
Stay the course, Hillary. It's only a small block of ice.
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Yes, please do "stay the course."
Sincerely,
The Only Thing That Bernie Sanders and Every Republican Agree On
Sincerely,
The Only Thing That Bernie Sanders and Every Republican Agree On
YUP!
But that's just on the surface—
It's gigantic under the water.
It's gigantic under the water.
The wheels are coming off the wagon. Inevitability 2016 is a carbon copy of Inevitability 2008. Why? The Clintons are who they are.
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My 94 yr. old mother -in -law, a staunch Democrat and very religious
person, likes to talk politics with me. She told me over a year ago
that she was praying that Hillary wouldn't run for President because
she didn't think she could win, and she (my mother-in-law) can't stand the Republicans.
I've finally come to the realization that she's mad at Hillary for running
and putting all the Democrats through this, and possibly giving us a
Republican president, and I think that's what's happening in this race.
Lots of Democrats are mad she's running, not for the good of the
country, but for her own personal aggrandizement.
person, likes to talk politics with me. She told me over a year ago
that she was praying that Hillary wouldn't run for President because
she didn't think she could win, and she (my mother-in-law) can't stand the Republicans.
I've finally come to the realization that she's mad at Hillary for running
and putting all the Democrats through this, and possibly giving us a
Republican president, and I think that's what's happening in this race.
Lots of Democrats are mad she's running, not for the good of the
country, but for her own personal aggrandizement.
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Dear S. Miller: As a staunch liberal Democrat, I see no reason wahtsoever to be mad at anything. All one has to do is vote their conscience in the primary and support the nominee in the Fall.
I am only in my seventh decade on the earth and I am a staunch supporter of Bill and Hillary. I voted for Bill twice in '92 and '96, voted twice for Hillary for Senator, and once for her in the '08 primary. When she conceded, in June, yes, it can go that long, it is a marathon you know, I threw my financial and electoral support to Barack.
I personally believe Hillary is not only the most qualified woman or Democrat running. I believe she is head and shoulders above any Republican in the field. So it really presents no problems as I see it. The Dems have an abundance of riches. What's not to like?
DD
Manhattan
I am only in my seventh decade on the earth and I am a staunch supporter of Bill and Hillary. I voted for Bill twice in '92 and '96, voted twice for Hillary for Senator, and once for her in the '08 primary. When she conceded, in June, yes, it can go that long, it is a marathon you know, I threw my financial and electoral support to Barack.
I personally believe Hillary is not only the most qualified woman or Democrat running. I believe she is head and shoulders above any Republican in the field. So it really presents no problems as I see it. The Dems have an abundance of riches. What's not to like?
DD
Manhattan
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Where do you get this idea? Hillary Clinton has been in public service and in the public eye for various social issues for most of her life. If her quest for the presidency is self aggrandizement then what can we possibly think of Bernie's sudden appearance on the national scene after 26 years on the congressional sidelines accomplishing practically nothing? Why is he suddenly the great savior?
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Susan--Good comment. Hadn't looked at it that way.
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So the NYT editorial board's reaction to Bernie winning NH by 20 points is that Hillary needs to keep calm and stay confident, sounding more like cheerleaders than an objective voice.
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21 points!
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The NYT editorial board endorsed Hillary. There is no pretense of objectivity.
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Exactly! "Keep calm and carry on!"
If it ever gets down to a final contest between Trump and Sanders, Trump will annihilate him.
Trump is an accomplished businessman, entertainment figure and contract negotiator who has actually accomplished big things in the dog-eat-dog world of New York City real estate, finance and entertainment companies and in other world capitals as well; who along the way has survived and prospered by dealing successfully with government regulatory challenges and political hurdles of stupendous complexity.
Sanders has been … well ... a mayor, a congressman, and a senator, a government guy from start to finish, whose idea of a good day is dreaming up new government solutions to real or imagined problems that he believes taxpayers with money can be forced or cajoled into paying for.
Well OK, if that’s what we voters want, it’s fine with me. So repeat after me: President Trump, hip-hip, hooray! President Trump, hip-hip, hooray!
President Trump, hip-hip, hooray!
Trump is an accomplished businessman, entertainment figure and contract negotiator who has actually accomplished big things in the dog-eat-dog world of New York City real estate, finance and entertainment companies and in other world capitals as well; who along the way has survived and prospered by dealing successfully with government regulatory challenges and political hurdles of stupendous complexity.
Sanders has been … well ... a mayor, a congressman, and a senator, a government guy from start to finish, whose idea of a good day is dreaming up new government solutions to real or imagined problems that he believes taxpayers with money can be forced or cajoled into paying for.
Well OK, if that’s what we voters want, it’s fine with me. So repeat after me: President Trump, hip-hip, hooray! President Trump, hip-hip, hooray!
President Trump, hip-hip, hooray!
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When faced with a choice between a man who is leading a positive revolution to take back democracy from the billionaires and make government responsive to the American People, and a negative mudslinging billionaire who went bankrupt four times, takes government funds, and thinks he can win by playing the old divide and conquer game, I believe the People will pick democracy.
There is a lot that Trump says that is true. Our government has given away the store in international agreements, for example; one of many points of agreement between Trump and Sanders. But sanders understands this moment in history.
Young people growing up on the internet engage people's ideas before they engage their identities. They understand in their bones that gender, race, ethnicity, etc. are not indicators of integrity or intelligence. They will not be fooled by the divide and conquer strategy that has kept the global billionaires in control of the world economy and most governments.
Anyway, it does not matter so much who is president as it does that the revolution that Bernie has jumped to the front of continues to grow and continues to strike fear into the oligarchs and their rental politicians.
We need to create a new paradigm that takes the best from market economics, socialism, and anarchism, where we all work together to help each other reach our highest potential. We need to evolve human society as it has evolved before.
Viva la Evolution
There is a lot that Trump says that is true. Our government has given away the store in international agreements, for example; one of many points of agreement between Trump and Sanders. But sanders understands this moment in history.
Young people growing up on the internet engage people's ideas before they engage their identities. They understand in their bones that gender, race, ethnicity, etc. are not indicators of integrity or intelligence. They will not be fooled by the divide and conquer strategy that has kept the global billionaires in control of the world economy and most governments.
Anyway, it does not matter so much who is president as it does that the revolution that Bernie has jumped to the front of continues to grow and continues to strike fear into the oligarchs and their rental politicians.
We need to create a new paradigm that takes the best from market economics, socialism, and anarchism, where we all work together to help each other reach our highest potential. We need to evolve human society as it has evolved before.
Viva la Evolution
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Trump just managed to make as much money with his inheritance as he would have by investing it in a conservative mix of stocks and bonds. If he would have done that he at least wouldn't have destroyed the livelihood of the small businesses that got caught by his 4 bankruptcies. Bernie has turned Burlington into one of the most livable cities in the USA, has been instrumental in improving the medical care of veterans and might have prevented the cutting of social security by president Obama. And for me personally, he made me believe that it is possible to run a successful campaign for the presidency without the backing of big money. Trump as you so rightly point out is a successful entertainer and that is the environment where he thrives and even makes a kind of sense. May he be for may years the king of relity tv.
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I agree, between Sanders and Trump we need a man whose worldview is encapsulated in the appropriately bankrupt Trump Plaza, or perhaps more explicitly the steel cage matches held there.
No, trump wouldn't trounce Sanders; it's the other way around. America's greatness has always come from its ideals and principles as an experiment in democratic self-government.
Trump embodies the money side of America, which is real and had always been part of this country, but it's the minor part of who we are. The money man will fail because ideas and justice are more powerful.
No, trump wouldn't trounce Sanders; it's the other way around. America's greatness has always come from its ideals and principles as an experiment in democratic self-government.
Trump embodies the money side of America, which is real and had always been part of this country, but it's the minor part of who we are. The money man will fail because ideas and justice are more powerful.
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Bernie Sanders certainly proposes an attractive vision for America.
Barack Obama also proposed inspiring ideas, however he was unable to get enough support in Congress and in the Senate to get much approved.
Bernie Sanders with far more ambitious ideas has no chance to get much implemented, even if the Dems were to obtain a majority in the next Congress. I believe Hillary Clinton would, in the end, obtain better results. She is better equipped and trained to deal with the Republican opposition.
The proof is in the polls, she has a better chance than Sanders to be elected against the leading Republican candidates, because even if she does not do as well as Sanders with the Dems she will be better accepted overall.
I hate to compare this situation with a car purchase but nothing better comes to mind: how many of us get to purchase our dream car ? Most have to settle for something more realistic which we end up liking just as well.
Barack Obama also proposed inspiring ideas, however he was unable to get enough support in Congress and in the Senate to get much approved.
Bernie Sanders with far more ambitious ideas has no chance to get much implemented, even if the Dems were to obtain a majority in the next Congress. I believe Hillary Clinton would, in the end, obtain better results. She is better equipped and trained to deal with the Republican opposition.
The proof is in the polls, she has a better chance than Sanders to be elected against the leading Republican candidates, because even if she does not do as well as Sanders with the Dems she will be better accepted overall.
I hate to compare this situation with a car purchase but nothing better comes to mind: how many of us get to purchase our dream car ? Most have to settle for something more realistic which we end up liking just as well.
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Your argument has a long history in the United States and we've all it heard it many times before. It's the same logic of complacency that kept Jim Crow alive in the South, women out of the voting booths, children working in coal mines and factories, and industries pouring raw toxins into the air and water for generations.
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With the current Congress, god cannot help America never mind Obama, Hillary or Bernie. What Bernie has achieved is that he took no money from wealthy donors. We the people must help Bernie help us by giving him a Congress that do not take money from whoever is now running our country. We the people must take our country back by "Crowd Fund" future elections. Pols are not stupid. When Bernie wins, there will be more pols that come out and do Crowd Funded campaigns. There are more of us. Do the math!
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This is of course completely contrary to the facts. Bernie polls way better against the Republicans nationally because Independents like me won't vote for Hillary at any price. But I guess the people who keep parroting this untruth hope that they can fool all of the people all of the time...
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All the pundits and policy experts will now retreat to their laboratories and once again readjust their alchemy to try and create gold out of lead. They don't get it. We want real gold. They can't create gold.
No strategy changes or marketing spin is going to change the momentum of this election. We are sick and tired of all of the phoniness, the contrivance, the coaching and performing.
The candidates that won did so not because they had better strategy. They won because of who they are.
The electorate has become jaded to politics by commercials. We can see through it. We want real candidates, not creations from advertising campaigns. We know the new and improved detergent is the same stuff we have been using for years, only packaged in a different box.
We know that most of what Bernie Sanders promotes will be next to impossible to achieve. But we still want it and if we don't try to get it, we never will. Likewise, Trump supporters realize that he is just spewing hot air, but they want what he wants. They believe that he will at least push hard toward those goals, no matter how ridiculous he sounds.
Call it the cult of personality. Call it whatever you want. We just want something that is real. That is the source of support for Sanders and Trump. Hold on to your seats. Experts step aside. This rollercoaster ride is just beginning.
No strategy changes or marketing spin is going to change the momentum of this election. We are sick and tired of all of the phoniness, the contrivance, the coaching and performing.
The candidates that won did so not because they had better strategy. They won because of who they are.
The electorate has become jaded to politics by commercials. We can see through it. We want real candidates, not creations from advertising campaigns. We know the new and improved detergent is the same stuff we have been using for years, only packaged in a different box.
We know that most of what Bernie Sanders promotes will be next to impossible to achieve. But we still want it and if we don't try to get it, we never will. Likewise, Trump supporters realize that he is just spewing hot air, but they want what he wants. They believe that he will at least push hard toward those goals, no matter how ridiculous he sounds.
Call it the cult of personality. Call it whatever you want. We just want something that is real. That is the source of support for Sanders and Trump. Hold on to your seats. Experts step aside. This rollercoaster ride is just beginning.
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I agree totally with this writer's depiction of similarities between Trump and Sanders, and their success and the basis of their success. What I wholeheartedly disagree with is the statement that voters want what is real. People in New Hampshire who voted as Democrats want the fantasy that Sanders presents, and the people who voted as Republicans won the fantasy that Trump presents. Neither one will achieve half of what they promise, either because the Constitution will get in the way or political reality will get in the way. I guess this reality show is more fantasy Island then celebrity apprentice although either could apply.
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The Times continues to give Sanders short shrift in coverage despite his dramatic successes.
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Poor Hillary.
Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
Nonetheless, it is indisputable she is the best qualified, over all.
But Bernie's da man.
Prize for most hubristic:
High heeled, zip-up bootie aficionado.
Threw away a perfectly good $174K/yr. Senate seat onthe fleetingly small chance of becoming President.
Will the Braman funded gravy train end?
Ciao Governor Puchinello, back to your day job, bridge closings.
Always the bridesmaid, never the bride.
Nonetheless, it is indisputable she is the best qualified, over all.
But Bernie's da man.
Prize for most hubristic:
High heeled, zip-up bootie aficionado.
Threw away a perfectly good $174K/yr. Senate seat onthe fleetingly small chance of becoming President.
Will the Braman funded gravy train end?
Ciao Governor Puchinello, back to your day job, bridge closings.
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Re Rubio, he can go back to university and teach political theory.
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Elba's fine for the Clintons. But St. Helena seems preferable.
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Why can't the NYT call it straight? Two of Clinton's supporters made a series of sexist comments, and she was not even willing to disavow them. And this is who the EB called the best qualified presidential candidate in a generation?
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The profound question which could decide this entire race is this and it must be asked of all top candidates both now in the primaries and again in the main election. He or she who can answer it best, with prescriptions to cure it will win.
What is the cause of the wide discrepancy in wealth among Americans; the famous 1% owning most of the wealth.
The answer of course is that our government, all three branches allowed it to happen or contributed the money to make it happen. Our elected officials (and the appointed judges, on low and high) allowed the tax code, the laws and the court decisions to favor the movement of money, property and other items of value upward. They did that in order to get campaign contributions, favors and appointments for themselves and others or they provided the money for that corruption.
It is that simple. But how many of them will admit it or know what to say about solving it.
What is the cause of the wide discrepancy in wealth among Americans; the famous 1% owning most of the wealth.
The answer of course is that our government, all three branches allowed it to happen or contributed the money to make it happen. Our elected officials (and the appointed judges, on low and high) allowed the tax code, the laws and the court decisions to favor the movement of money, property and other items of value upward. They did that in order to get campaign contributions, favors and appointments for themselves and others or they provided the money for that corruption.
It is that simple. But how many of them will admit it or know what to say about solving it.
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The voters bought into the proposition that government and taxes hamper economic expansion unconditionally, absolutely. They allowed their elected officials at all levels to slash taxes and to relax regulatory processes, hoping that the outcome would be a bigger economic pie to share by all. The elected official were assured by advocates and economists who simply assumed that with more funds to spend, the money would find it's way into the domestic economy and spur growth. Nobody considered what would happen if all the new wealth created was not achieved by those with lots of capital to invest would not benefit the domestic economy enough to provide proportional gains for all. Now we have delayed upgrading and maintaining infrastructure for decades and it's decaying. Our common core of services from education to retirement benefits have become too expensive to support. Our common needs as a nation are unsatisfied while the very rich are getting richer than ever before in history. The strategy is destroying the lives of most people but to fix it means achieving much greater economic growth which tax cutting and relaxing regulations has not achieved, and the revenues needed to support government services must grow as well.
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Guess the voters just weren't that into her.
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Bernie
Congrats on the win in NH! Enjoy you moment in the Sun!
Now the show moves to States which have a significant minority population and that is where you have to do not good but great.
Bernie, you must win the African American vote in South Carolina and you absolutely have to win the Hispanic vote in Nevada for your candidacy to continue.
If you can not do that in a Democratic primary then there is little reason to hope that come the General Election you'll be able to get those folks motivated to go to the polls for you and if that doesn't happen you can not win the race for President.
Bernie, it's absolutely great you can get well to do and highly educated whites and your misogynistic "Bernie Bro's" to vote for you! But to be the Democratic nominee we need you to prove you can pull all of the Democratic Party into "your tent"
Good Luck!
Congrats on the win in NH! Enjoy you moment in the Sun!
Now the show moves to States which have a significant minority population and that is where you have to do not good but great.
Bernie, you must win the African American vote in South Carolina and you absolutely have to win the Hispanic vote in Nevada for your candidacy to continue.
If you can not do that in a Democratic primary then there is little reason to hope that come the General Election you'll be able to get those folks motivated to go to the polls for you and if that doesn't happen you can not win the race for President.
Bernie, it's absolutely great you can get well to do and highly educated whites and your misogynistic "Bernie Bro's" to vote for you! But to be the Democratic nominee we need you to prove you can pull all of the Democratic Party into "your tent"
Good Luck!
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I'm not a "Bernie Bro", nor do I have any idea what that is, other than a Clinton catchphrase. I'm an overeducated (4 college degrees, including a Ph.D. and a degree from Harvard Law School) former litigator and college professor (30 years altogether of college teaching) who is sick unto death of the Clintons and believes in the principles that Bernie is standing up for. I don't want a coronation of Queen Hillary; I want an election I can believe in.
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Hillary -
You may very well be the Democratic nominee. But to win the general, you need a lot more than Democrats to vote for you - currently only 29% of the electorate. You'll need a solid chunk of Independents - currently 44% of the electorate. (And that's not counting any who may have registered Dem to vote for Sanders.) To win the general, you'll have to pull a solid chunk of Indies into "your tent", and get the 18-35 year olds (and scoldees) who voted for Bernie off the couch as well.
Good luck!
You may very well be the Democratic nominee. But to win the general, you need a lot more than Democrats to vote for you - currently only 29% of the electorate. You'll need a solid chunk of Independents - currently 44% of the electorate. (And that's not counting any who may have registered Dem to vote for Sanders.) To win the general, you'll have to pull a solid chunk of Indies into "your tent", and get the 18-35 year olds (and scoldees) who voted for Bernie off the couch as well.
Good luck!
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Luck has nothing to do with it. I'd give credit to the American voters for the decisions so far instead of insulting them.
Can't you see, this election is all about the voters, not the candidates.
Can't you see, this election is all about the voters, not the candidates.
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Correction to the article: Jeb Bush is the former governor of Florida, not Texas. His less well-known brother George W was, of course, the former governor of Texas. He disappeared into obscurity when his gubernatorial term ended. I believe he became a faux naive painter of little reputation.
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Very funny! I laughed out loud.
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Sanders is selling "Yes, we can". He is selling a dream and a challenge. He is selling optimism and a bright vision for the future.
Hillary is selling "Be careful". She is selling the continuation and protection of the policies of President Obama, with some incremental change, in the face of undoubtedly fierce Republican opposition. She is saying "Hold the line". But she is not selling any dreams.
Does progressive change stop now? Does it grind to a halt with what we've got, or do we reach for more? That's the choice. Change is the definition of what life is. Inanimate objects don't change. And so it is with political parties and movements - change or die. Define and embrace the future, or your opponents will do it for you.
And reaching for the stars is stimulating and binding in human society. History is not just the past. We make it, right now. So what's it going to be?
Hillary is selling "Be careful". She is selling the continuation and protection of the policies of President Obama, with some incremental change, in the face of undoubtedly fierce Republican opposition. She is saying "Hold the line". But she is not selling any dreams.
Does progressive change stop now? Does it grind to a halt with what we've got, or do we reach for more? That's the choice. Change is the definition of what life is. Inanimate objects don't change. And so it is with political parties and movements - change or die. Define and embrace the future, or your opponents will do it for you.
And reaching for the stars is stimulating and binding in human society. History is not just the past. We make it, right now. So what's it going to be?
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Funny, I find Bernie very negative and scolding. The sky is falling. Everything is awful. Rich people are out to get you. Corporations are bad. And he gives almost no credit to Pres. Obama for bringing us back from the abyss. We've come a long way from the Bush years.
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The NYT failed to report that the nationwide lead of 31 points in December of Hillary over Bernie has shrunk to only 2 points in the last few days as reported by CNN. This means that now Hillary is longer "well ahead in the polls" in the other states as reported in this article.
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Please see Real Clear Politics for a long list if national and state polls and polling averages. When I checked this morning she was up by more than 25 in SC and NV and 14 in the national polling average.
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For the Clinton campaign to talk about Sanders accepting a paltry $7500 from financial firms, 10 years ago - that's as crazy as having Bill Clinton call him a sexist.
Perhaps they'll be lucky enough to find some unlikely futures trading gains or suspect real estate deals in Sanders past. Then they'd *really* have him at their mercy.
Perhaps they'll be lucky enough to find some unlikely futures trading gains or suspect real estate deals in Sanders past. Then they'd *really* have him at their mercy.
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Neither one of your statements are correct my friend. Bill Clinton did not call Bernie Sanders a sexist; he was referring to supporters of Bernie Sanders. I do not know where you got the figure of $7500, but Bernie is a hypocrite and he did create an artful smear on Hillary Clinton, equating any donation or speaking fees to corrupt behavior on her part. Nothing unusual here. The Clintons get unfairly slimed again.
The Clinton campaign has reeked of a sad, complaining sense of entitlement ever since she "won" in Iowa. Apparently her campaign strategy - "I've waited my turn, so I deserve to be President!" - isn't as bulletproof as she imagined, and seeing her actually need to work to earn votes has been painful.
Hillary's resume is as thick as a Gutenberg Bible, her last name is world famous, she has more Wall Street money than King Midas, and The New York Times has basically worked as her propaganda arm for the past two years. The fact that she is not absolutely dominating this race speaks volumes about her, and not in a good way.
Sadly, this editorial misses the most shameful of antics put on by Clinton in the past week: using Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright to, quite literally, shame young women into voting for Hillary. What reprehensible, obscene nonsense. Do they really think that millennial women are so shallow and uninformed that they will cast the vote wherever there is a lack of y chromosome on the ballot? By that logic, should they also have flocked to Sarah Palin in 2008? And do these supposed champions of equality really believe that a man - like Sanders - is incapable of advancing feminist ideals?
It would have been very easy for Bernie Sanders to turn around and slam Hillary Clinton for the reasons I outlined. What did he do instead? Took the high road, and stuck to the issues, like he always does. Would be that Hillary took a lesson from his playbook.
Hillary's resume is as thick as a Gutenberg Bible, her last name is world famous, she has more Wall Street money than King Midas, and The New York Times has basically worked as her propaganda arm for the past two years. The fact that she is not absolutely dominating this race speaks volumes about her, and not in a good way.
Sadly, this editorial misses the most shameful of antics put on by Clinton in the past week: using Gloria Steinem and Madeleine Albright to, quite literally, shame young women into voting for Hillary. What reprehensible, obscene nonsense. Do they really think that millennial women are so shallow and uninformed that they will cast the vote wherever there is a lack of y chromosome on the ballot? By that logic, should they also have flocked to Sarah Palin in 2008? And do these supposed champions of equality really believe that a man - like Sanders - is incapable of advancing feminist ideals?
It would have been very easy for Bernie Sanders to turn around and slam Hillary Clinton for the reasons I outlined. What did he do instead? Took the high road, and stuck to the issues, like he always does. Would be that Hillary took a lesson from his playbook.
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Hillary is getting beaten and beaten badly. And her behavior and the behavior of her supporters is terrible. Which, of course, is going to make her loss even worse. Watch for a surge for Bernie in the national polls.
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Hillary should admit her mistakes, ask voters for forgiveness and move on. All these implausible denials of her Wall Street ties and email deceptions are digging the hole deeper. I'm willing to accept the wealth seeking and political butt covering that led to these mistakes. I can imagine that I might have done likewise, but I draw the line at being taken for a fool by Hillary and her handlers.
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The problem with your suggestion to admit her mistakes, is that they were core characteristics of her values and politics. Few would believe her.
Hillary's campaign and the mainstream media will try to downplay Sanders' huge win over Hillary in New Hampshire (neighboring state, we knew it all along, etc., etc.), just as they tried to minimize Bernie's virtual tie in Iowa. That was after he had come from 30 to 40 points down a few months ago.
Hillary only campaigned in New Hampshire to:
1. Give the appearance of a race.
2. Keep her name in the coverage.
3. Give the Democratic party establishment a chance to come for a few photo and video ops.
4. To give Bill and some of her other operatives a chance to spread half-truths, slander, and in some cases outright lies.
5. Give a voice to some women who attempted to play the "shame on you women Sanders supporters" card. Oops! Another move, like many others, that backfired.
The Clinton campaign is in full panic mode as Sanders continues to close the gap on Clinton. Some national polls have the margin between them at around 2%.
The momentum has shifted. More and more voters have lifted the veil on the Clinton machine and have seen there is only one candidate who is not backed by the Super PACs and the only one who is telling the truth about the realities of life in the U.S. for working families.
They know that Hillary was long ago bought out by the establishment and that Bernie is the only chance to begin to move things back towards a system that works for them.
Hillary only campaigned in New Hampshire to:
1. Give the appearance of a race.
2. Keep her name in the coverage.
3. Give the Democratic party establishment a chance to come for a few photo and video ops.
4. To give Bill and some of her other operatives a chance to spread half-truths, slander, and in some cases outright lies.
5. Give a voice to some women who attempted to play the "shame on you women Sanders supporters" card. Oops! Another move, like many others, that backfired.
The Clinton campaign is in full panic mode as Sanders continues to close the gap on Clinton. Some national polls have the margin between them at around 2%.
The momentum has shifted. More and more voters have lifted the veil on the Clinton machine and have seen there is only one candidate who is not backed by the Super PACs and the only one who is telling the truth about the realities of life in the U.S. for working families.
They know that Hillary was long ago bought out by the establishment and that Bernie is the only chance to begin to move things back towards a system that works for them.
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Those super-delegates in her pocket better be thinking long and hard about their foolish pre-commitment. Deny the people the people's choice at your peril.
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The polls are right until they are wrong. Mr Sanders was not even supposed to be a blip on the Political radar. Mrs. Clinton realizes this is not the end but the real beginning to the campaign season. She should look inward instead of a shake up , firing and thus blaming, her staff. That is exactly what is wrong with most politicians: it is always someone else's fault.
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David Brock must be having a meltdown right now. Bern Baby Bern!
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The look in Hillary's eyes when speaking in public is increasingly defensive, and, more worryingly, she appears unaware but most fearful of where the next attack might come from. It's almost as though she's beginning to think there are vulnerabilities in her which she doesn't yet know about, but others do.
Anxiety might finish her before Mr. Sanders does.
Anxiety might finish her before Mr. Sanders does.
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I actually think Hillary Clinton would be a pretty good President. She knows more about the job than pretty anyone else in the country who hasn't held the job; her positions are generally reasonable and well-considered; nobody has ever questioned her work ethic, and somewhere between 98% and 100% of all the stuff Republicans have thrown at her has turned out to be lies or nonsense.
She has somehow survived all that: no small accomplishment.
However, I had hoped that with eight years to watch, learn, and reflect, she would have become a better candidate. Not that running for President is easy: it's harder than anything most of us will ever do. But she's still one of the least effective, least intuitive candidates for President I've seen in my lifetime.
There's a big gap between hanging in there against a 25-year-long tornado of malicious falsehoods and convincing America to choose you as President. I fear she's falling into that gap.
She has somehow survived all that: no small accomplishment.
However, I had hoped that with eight years to watch, learn, and reflect, she would have become a better candidate. Not that running for President is easy: it's harder than anything most of us will ever do. But she's still one of the least effective, least intuitive candidates for President I've seen in my lifetime.
There's a big gap between hanging in there against a 25-year-long tornado of malicious falsehoods and convincing America to choose you as President. I fear she's falling into that gap.
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Good journalism is not only about objectivity, but also the lens in which the world is seen through. 6 months ago, Hillary Clinton lead in New Hampshire. Today, a Democratic SOCIALIST just won by a landslide; this is history. Instead of writing about this incredible achievement and what it means in terms of American culture and politics, the Editorial Board has decided to narrow their journalistic lens to dampen and minimize Bernie Sander's win. Our country's recent history has been plagued by the "Red Scare," the fear of 'communism,' a divisive line of USA vs. the rest of world, and overtaken by income inequality, where political influence is controlled by the rich. This day is truly a testimony that the American people are waking up. They are sick of the same old, same old. As the New York Times Editorial Board puts out another piece to counter Bernie Sanders' win, the people of New Hampshire and Americans are celebrating loudly for their win.
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Tiffany - this is an editorial on the opinion pages. Let others express their opinions please even if you do not share them. And Sanders primary win is not as historic as you may think - the democrats not so long ago nominated McGovern for President (1972). He lost to Nixon.
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@Tiffany,
Thank you for one of the most substantive and accurate comments I've read in this page. If you decide to discuss what they should have, put the word out and I'll be there to read it.
NYT: Take note. Regardless of what happens down the road, this time you've blown it. And you're one of the news sources of record?
2-10-16@2:08 am
Thank you for one of the most substantive and accurate comments I've read in this page. If you decide to discuss what they should have, put the word out and I'll be there to read it.
NYT: Take note. Regardless of what happens down the road, this time you've blown it. And you're one of the news sources of record?
2-10-16@2:08 am
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This guy live in reverse or alternate universe. Hillary is the enemy (the media), they fall in love with Bern bro.
Where is the evidence that Mrs. Clinton panicked? Actually, she did pretty well on Mr. Sander's homecourt. If Mr. Sanders can't handle a small amount of criticism, then he's going to have a real problem when faced with Republicans.
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Last time I checked New Hampshire isn't too far from New York (and Chappaqua) and is supposedly sacred ground for the Clintons. The Saunders 'backcourt' argument doesn't hold up.
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Isabella Saxon writes that "actually [Hillary Clinton] did pretty well on Sanders' home court.
First, losing by 20 points (when she had originally been up by 40) is not doing "pretty well."
Second, and much more importantly, New Hampshire is NOT Bernie Sanders' "home court". The alleged "home court" advantage that Sanders is said to have enjoyed in New Hampshire is largely contrived. For starters, they are very different states politically and philosophically. Second, the major media market in Vermont (Burlington) has a very limited spill over into New Hampshire's sparsely populated north country. But don't take my word for it, hear what these folks in New Hampshire had to say to Politico on this very subject:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/new-hampshire-primary-pol...
First, losing by 20 points (when she had originally been up by 40) is not doing "pretty well."
Second, and much more importantly, New Hampshire is NOT Bernie Sanders' "home court". The alleged "home court" advantage that Sanders is said to have enjoyed in New Hampshire is largely contrived. For starters, they are very different states politically and philosophically. Second, the major media market in Vermont (Burlington) has a very limited spill over into New Hampshire's sparsely populated north country. But don't take my word for it, hear what these folks in New Hampshire had to say to Politico on this very subject:
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/new-hampshire-primary-pol...
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Just look at her face and demeanor.
$675,000 from Goldman Sachs alone. For 3 (three) speaking engagements.
Why is she refusing to release the speeches' transcripts?
WE (the public) need transparency and with Sanders we have a chance.
Why is she refusing to release the speeches' transcripts?
WE (the public) need transparency and with Sanders we have a chance.
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Is anyone else offering transcripts of all the speeches that they have given for pay? Is anyone else offering transcripts of other communications with donors? Has anybody scrutinized a candidate for president's sexual life more than Bill Clinton? Why are the standards demonstrably hire for the Clintons than anyone else? It seems the Republican smear machine, of which David Brock is a former member, has really been effective in convincing Republicans and Democrats alike that an incredible well-qualified democrat should never be elected President. That is truly a loss for all of us.
rk - Then perhaps you will be interested in hearing the details of Jane Sanders making hundreds of thousand of dollars serving as president of Burlington college as she ran it, literally, out of business. The land and buildings have just been sold to a developer.
Or details of the House banking scandal of the early 1990s, which Bernie was right in the middle of. Or the time that Congress voted itself a big middle of the night raise and when asked if Bernie would donate his raise to charity, he said no way!
I look forward to the day when Bernie is viable enough that the the press starts applying the same standards of scrutiny to Bernie and family that have been applied to Hillary (and lied about) since 1991.
Most politicians (and most people) have clay feet. Bernie is no exception. But then again, he didn't murder Vince Foster and Hillary did. (No wonder we don't trust her.) /s
Or details of the House banking scandal of the early 1990s, which Bernie was right in the middle of. Or the time that Congress voted itself a big middle of the night raise and when asked if Bernie would donate his raise to charity, he said no way!
I look forward to the day when Bernie is viable enough that the the press starts applying the same standards of scrutiny to Bernie and family that have been applied to Hillary (and lied about) since 1991.
Most politicians (and most people) have clay feet. Bernie is no exception. But then again, he didn't murder Vince Foster and Hillary did. (No wonder we don't trust her.) /s
The frequent mentioning of the $675,000 in speaking fees from Goldman Sachs palls in comparison to the nearly $10,000,000 in 2013 that Hillary received in speaking fees from a wide variety of corporate entities.
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Your words are thoughtful and basically true. As a Hillary Clinton supporter, I admit this but there are other factors why I think some in her campaign, maybe even President Clinton may have been over sensitive.
It is a fact that the media, especially reporters in this newspaper, since last April have written numerous articles that were not grounded in facts. Even the esteem Public Editor wrote there is a reporter to write about her every "sneeze". I shall not remind the Board of one or two articles that literally could undermine her whole campaign. The world, who reads the NYT, by now can quote the charges. Conversely, the media, including NYT, have not vetted Bernie Sanders perhaps because they have not taken his candidacy seriously. Thus, many statements he has made, and his puritanical platform is not grounded in truth.
Finally, NH is composed almost totally progressives who are not people of color. Sen Sanders was virtually assured a win in that environment. Yet, I think Sec. Clinton can use this experience as a teaching tool. As we know around NY, she learns quickly from her mistakes. Therefore, I do not think you will have to write the same article again before November, and I do expect her to win.
It is a fact that the media, especially reporters in this newspaper, since last April have written numerous articles that were not grounded in facts. Even the esteem Public Editor wrote there is a reporter to write about her every "sneeze". I shall not remind the Board of one or two articles that literally could undermine her whole campaign. The world, who reads the NYT, by now can quote the charges. Conversely, the media, including NYT, have not vetted Bernie Sanders perhaps because they have not taken his candidacy seriously. Thus, many statements he has made, and his puritanical platform is not grounded in truth.
Finally, NH is composed almost totally progressives who are not people of color. Sen Sanders was virtually assured a win in that environment. Yet, I think Sec. Clinton can use this experience as a teaching tool. As we know around NY, she learns quickly from her mistakes. Therefore, I do not think you will have to write the same article again before November, and I do expect her to win.
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As a Hillary supporter, the one upside of this outcome, I hope, will be increased scrutiny of Bernie and his record, past speeches and writings.
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NH is known in New England as a relatively conservative state. They have elected Republican governors and congressional representatives. I would not call it "progressive" like you do. But if you want to stick with that label, then you might want to see if Ms. Clinton wants to shed it, since she insisted at the New Hampshire debate she was "progressive".
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The Times has not "vetted" Senator Sanders because they have been too busy badmouthing him.
The Clintons and big media were rudely tone deaf. Pundits and shills can expect a continuous reaction at the polls. Secretary Clinton underestimated Democratic voter's hostility towards to status quo, where vested interests want money to speak louder than words.
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As dispiriting as tonight's decisive defeat must be for Hillary Clinton, Kasich's showing is worse news for her than Sanders' because if as most observers expect she will slog her way to the nomination he is the one Republican who can beat her in November.
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I am sorry but I wouldn't hire Kasich as a super in my building.
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For Hillary, it's just a rerun of 2008. For Trump, it's a game. Yet for the future
of America, it's very refreshing to see the youth active and excited about a candidate. I only hope those folks, especially the young women will stay active
and run for public office. A very undecided democrat.
of America, it's very refreshing to see the youth active and excited about a candidate. I only hope those folks, especially the young women will stay active
and run for public office. A very undecided democrat.
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It is becoming increasingly evident, that the Democratic Party might have made a possible fatal error in running Ms. Clinton as the heir to Obama, instead of rounding up competent challengers covering a wide spectrum of Democratic opinions.
She is actively endangering the future of the Democratic party by turning off young voters with her ill advised attacks against Mr. Sanders.
And she is not a good politician, making the fundamental mistake of not controlling her message, with voices from Ms Albright, Ms Steinem, and William Clinton chiming in.
She is actively endangering the future of the Democratic party by turning off young voters with her ill advised attacks against Mr. Sanders.
And she is not a good politician, making the fundamental mistake of not controlling her message, with voices from Ms Albright, Ms Steinem, and William Clinton chiming in.
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This error really should get more attention. I made a remark echoing your sentiment to my wife last year, when the GOP (which still has a large number of potentially viable candidates) was looking a whole lot more democratic than the Democratic Party, which looked then like a well-oiled machine designed to propel one person (chosen not by the public but by the party elite) to the nomination. Today the Party still looks like a machine designed for this purpose, but maybe the oil is running a little dry. Back then I'd scarcely heard of Sanders and I was appalled at how short shrift he and O'Malley were getting in the media. The debates were pushed to Sunday night, weren't they? And any coverage about the election was Hilary versus the GOP.
Well here we are a year later and for all those early efforts of the party and the media to marginalize him Sanders is seriously undermining Clinton's shot at the nomination. Even if he doesn't prevail (and of course I'm beside myself hoping he will) I hope this sends a message to party leadership that we want a choice between candidates at the outset. If the surge in participation is any indication, there are a lot of folks out there who don't even bother participating in the political process because their viewpoints aren't reflected in the few candidates that the Parties present to us. Thanks maybe to the internet those people have the ability to cooperate with one another before canceling each other out like so much interference.
Well here we are a year later and for all those early efforts of the party and the media to marginalize him Sanders is seriously undermining Clinton's shot at the nomination. Even if he doesn't prevail (and of course I'm beside myself hoping he will) I hope this sends a message to party leadership that we want a choice between candidates at the outset. If the surge in participation is any indication, there are a lot of folks out there who don't even bother participating in the political process because their viewpoints aren't reflected in the few candidates that the Parties present to us. Thanks maybe to the internet those people have the ability to cooperate with one another before canceling each other out like so much interference.
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In 2008 I was always for Obama, but I only became a staunch supporter after Clinton started using silly smear tactics in NH. This time around I support Clinton as the better candidate for November. Her repeat of the smear tactics, now against Sanders, won't change my vote, but it risks losing my enthusiasm. Why hasn't she learned anything?
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One could also ask ... why haven't you? What more evidence do you need that she is too flawed to hold that office?
The New York Times has a mantram for the New Hampshire primary:
Sanders "has long been the odds-on favorite in New Hampshire."
It is being repeated over and overt in the corporate media with the implication that New Hampshire is not a "real" victory for this upstart who simply will not disappear, as Wall Street and the Big Media hope he will do.
Instead Sanders moves from strength to strength, and even the early Times endorsement of Hillary cannot seem to stop his momentum.
Feel the Bern!
Sanders "has long been the odds-on favorite in New Hampshire."
It is being repeated over and overt in the corporate media with the implication that New Hampshire is not a "real" victory for this upstart who simply will not disappear, as Wall Street and the Big Media hope he will do.
Instead Sanders moves from strength to strength, and even the early Times endorsement of Hillary cannot seem to stop his momentum.
Feel the Bern!
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Excellent point... I totally agree
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Word to the Clinton Camp. You are the FACE of the Democratic establishment, just like the Bushes for the Republican. Both political dynasties should leave politics and never show their faces again.
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Instead of using your editorial column to give tips to your favoured candidate, maybe you should reflect on why Americans seem to be drawn to Bernie Sanders, and why the turning away from Clinton is more than just strategic folly. This campaign is, mercifully, becoming about trust, conviction and ideals.
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Ha! This, what you say, was exactly my thought as I read this article. "Huh. It's kind of interesting that this is how journalists communicate with political campaigns."
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Vinit, You're right, that's exactly the type of discussions the Times should be doing, and to quote the Times own article tonight:
Bernie Sanders Wins Every Demographic Group
"though Mrs. Clinton lost nearly every income group, she did carry voters in families earning over $200,000 per year"
This is very telling, this is a campaign pitting the sentiment of Occupy Wall Street against Wall Street, only this time, the outcome could be far different.
Bernie Sanders Wins Every Demographic Group
"though Mrs. Clinton lost nearly every income group, she did carry voters in families earning over $200,000 per year"
This is very telling, this is a campaign pitting the sentiment of Occupy Wall Street against Wall Street, only this time, the outcome could be far different.
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Sanders is a plain spoken, straight talker America can trust.
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From the above that sometimes former President Clinton wished he and Mrs. Clinton weren’t married. I do too -- then she would be Hilary Rodham and likely never be running for president.
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...And never a Senator, and never a Secretary of State, and never about to be indicted under 18 USC 793.
The fact that you do not think Hillary Rodham could be running for president is sexism crystalized in just one thought.
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Clinton’s campaign organization is riddled with corporate lobbyists, including ones that did all they could to water down Obamacare and Dodd-Frank. These are certain to be the kind of people she would bring with her into the Executive Branch should she become President –- just as Obama did. By contrast, the one thing we can be sure of with Sanders is that his Executive Branch would seal shut the corporate revolving door and bring in people who would actually enforce the laws and regulations in the people’s interest.
Given that the Republicans are likely to retain control of at least one house of Congress, neither Cinton nor Sanders will be able to pass any progressive legislation. She says she is “pragmatic” and will “get things done”. But what does that really mean with genuinely progressive legislation a non-starter? It means cutting deals with a pro-plutocrat, pro-war, pro-empire, pro-torture Republican House and/or Senate. Will Clinton protect Social Security, Medicare, and other programs Republicans want to cut? I trust Sanders, not Clinton, to say no to bad deals.
Worst of all, Clinton is a war hawk helping to stir up a new cold war.
As for electability, who knows what Clinton has been caught on tape saying to her fellow top .001%ers in speeches or in conversations she thought were private that Republicans are waiting to make public at the 11th hour? She may be unelectable and we simply don't know it yet. But with Sanders what you see is what you get.
Given that the Republicans are likely to retain control of at least one house of Congress, neither Cinton nor Sanders will be able to pass any progressive legislation. She says she is “pragmatic” and will “get things done”. But what does that really mean with genuinely progressive legislation a non-starter? It means cutting deals with a pro-plutocrat, pro-war, pro-empire, pro-torture Republican House and/or Senate. Will Clinton protect Social Security, Medicare, and other programs Republicans want to cut? I trust Sanders, not Clinton, to say no to bad deals.
Worst of all, Clinton is a war hawk helping to stir up a new cold war.
As for electability, who knows what Clinton has been caught on tape saying to her fellow top .001%ers in speeches or in conversations she thought were private that Republicans are waiting to make public at the 11th hour? She may be unelectable and we simply don't know it yet. But with Sanders what you see is what you get.
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It's amazing how uninformed you actually are about Clinton, her campaign, and her policies.
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Outstanding points in their importance and for having gotten no consideration so far in the media. Of course, that would be detrimental to the Clinton campaign so...
What's this??? The Times bashing Sec. Clinton!!!! Now let's start hearing some positive reporting about the Sen Sander's Campaign!
Feel The Bern!
Feel The Bern!
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Sorry NYT, there is no amount of spin that can reduce this loss.
By all accounts, New Hampshire went in landslide to Sanders, who even took a majority of womens' votes.
It's time for the establishment - and this includes the *media* establishment - to accept that the public is ready for a great big change.
You can resist it all you want. However, Senator Sanders' campaign is just picking up, and even if he does not take the nomination, what he has started is not going to go away, or fizzle.
Business as usual is coming to an end in America.
Feel the Bern!
By all accounts, New Hampshire went in landslide to Sanders, who even took a majority of womens' votes.
It's time for the establishment - and this includes the *media* establishment - to accept that the public is ready for a great big change.
You can resist it all you want. However, Senator Sanders' campaign is just picking up, and even if he does not take the nomination, what he has started is not going to go away, or fizzle.
Business as usual is coming to an end in America.
Feel the Bern!
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Thank you. It's clear from the comments they chose to feature that they're all smarting, and badly. I love to see this. We won't soon forget how they told us to "eat cake" as though they could dictate who would be the nominee.
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We will all feel the burn when Americans reject the socialist candidate in the general election and the world will become burdened with a Republican president once again. We need a centrist Democratic candidate if there is any chance of avoiding that catastrophe.
I can understand the Editorial lamenting HRC's poor showing in New Hampshire. I can even understand the choice to ignore the critical issues for America that her's and Sander's campaign should be about. But I can't support the constant refusal of the Democratic establishment to champion the status quo as our economy and our climate tip over the precipice and are about to crash into the valley where our democracy lies.
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Bill Clinton's harsh words about Senator Sanders were a shame on multiple levels. First, they were unfair and cheap shots, especially, the data breach for which Sanders has long-since apologized. Second, the negative tone just emphasized how positively and cleanly Sanders has campaigned. Third, this makes a rift among Democratic voters. However the primary comes out, the party needs unity come November. The attacks on Sanders have taken what was a dignified Democratic party to a low level.
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Contrast this with what Sanders said in his victory speech, "I also hope that we all remember -- and this is a message not just to our opponents, but to those who support me as well. That we will need to come together in a few months and unite this party, and this nation because the right-wing Republicans we oppose must not be allowed to gain the presidency."
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NM said: Bill Clinton's harsh words about Senator Sanders were a shame on multiple levels. First, they were unfair and cheap shots, especially, the data breach for which Sanders has long-since apologized."
Sanders may have apologized, but that didn't stop his own campaign manager from twisting the Sanders' camps' intentional data breach into some crime committed by the victims (the Clintons) and the DNC and then use that supposed victimization for fund raising. It must be nice to have a candidate who hasn't been subjected to 25 years of character assassination. Then you can spin all you want, and no one will really focus on the truth.
Sanders may have apologized, but that didn't stop his own campaign manager from twisting the Sanders' camps' intentional data breach into some crime committed by the victims (the Clintons) and the DNC and then use that supposed victimization for fund raising. It must be nice to have a candidate who hasn't been subjected to 25 years of character assassination. Then you can spin all you want, and no one will really focus on the truth.
The Clinton campaign does not need a new campaign staff, it needs a new candidate.
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Yes indeed. Advice to change the message? How about changing the messenger?
Apparently, the New York Times editorial board doesn't get it. This IS who Hillary Clinton is. These behaviors that the board correctly identifies as unseemly, shall we say, are well known markers of Mrs Clinton's character. She and her husband, well meaning as we might want them to be, have terrible character flaws. They are just not very nice people.
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Amen! The Clinton mantra - "Me! First, Last & Always."
Look for people to start getting thrown under the bus. "It was THEIR fault, not mine!"
Character matters and the Clinton's don't have any.
Look for people to start getting thrown under the bus. "It was THEIR fault, not mine!"
Character matters and the Clinton's don't have any.
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More than anything else the New Hampshire primary show that character does matter. Hillary's lack of integrity was magnified by Bill's efforts to campaign for her.
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At the first sign of difficulty, hypocrisy and nastiness from the Clinton camp.
No, thanks.
No, thanks.
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Huge win for Trump and Sanders. Bush is done. Biggest loser is Mrs. Clinton. If NH is such a minor stage why did the candidates devote big time and money there? An opening for a fresh 3rd party candidate, i.e. Mike Bloomberg, to step in.
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Why is Bush done ?
He looks like he's on top of the "sane" division of the GOP. Kasich can't get double digits in the South, and Rubio and Christie are done.
There's nobody left ...
It's Trump, Cruz, and Bush. And Bush will win that battle.
Bush beats Sanders - Tad Devine takes another dive for the Bushes.
He looks like he's on top of the "sane" division of the GOP. Kasich can't get double digits in the South, and Rubio and Christie are done.
There's nobody left ...
It's Trump, Cruz, and Bush. And Bush will win that battle.
Bush beats Sanders - Tad Devine takes another dive for the Bushes.
Eight years ago Hillary won New Hampshire. She is presently down by 15 points. Rather than focusing on this extraordinary turn of fortune, this editorial sounds like something concocted by a spin doctor for the Clinton campaign. So who did the Editorial Board endorse for the Democratic nomination, again?
Hey, she never expected to win, anyway.
Hey, she never expected to win, anyway.
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Sanders was expected to win New Hampshire? Talk about the goal posts moving. As late as June, he was 15 points behind, had no money, no organization on the ground, not a single endorsement from any New Hampshire politician, (still doesn't) no surrogates (still doesn't), his opponent had been working the state for years and had a long history of success there- and to chalk it up to geographic proximity is akin to saying a Utah politician should be expected to do well in California. But keep trying, NYTimes.
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I'm waiting for the turning point, when the last of the NYT columnists can no longer pretend that Sanders isn't a serious contender. Then I'm betting we'll see the pressure ramp up from "Clinton just needs to stay cool and let this pass" to "The electorate is making a grave error! Sanders victory spells doom!" There was a nice article somewhere (The Intercept maybe?) about the seven stages of establishment grief over a "radical" candidate (and I mean radical to them—I hardly think Sanders is radical).
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I just read the New Yorker profile of Sanders from October which said polls were predicting that Sanders would beat Hillary in Iowa by ten points and in New Hampshire by twenty two points. I don't see a major shift here. In fact, Sanders appears to be losing ground.
Of course the goal posts move. That's how polls and elections work.
Do you really think he was an underdog as of last weekend ?
Do you really think he was an underdog as of last weekend ?
It doesn't seem unreasonable to surmise that the increasingly desperate attacks on Bernie Sanders by folks in the Clinton campaign may reflect bad internals for Clinton.
The fact is that Sanders has a compelling meta-narrative for his campaign. What does Hillary Clinton have besides a burning desire to be elected President? Or, to put it in other words, we know what's in it for her. But what's in a Clinton Presidency for us?
The fact is that Sanders has a compelling meta-narrative for his campaign. What does Hillary Clinton have besides a burning desire to be elected President? Or, to put it in other words, we know what's in it for her. But what's in a Clinton Presidency for us?
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You just nailed the entire situation dead center.
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The point is that if Hillary is the nominee, there WILL be a Clinton presidency. No way will Sanders ever win the general election. Not to mention the fact that if by some bizarre miracle he does get elected, he wouldn't have a clue about how to lead our country on foreign policy issues.
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Bernie's supporters are vicious in their attacks on Clinton in social media. They are as extreme in their attacks as the Teapublicans. It is not desperation, but direct response to hateful language that is important to make. She has to confront his attacks as well as those of his supporters who do not withhold in their attacks. Because Bernie projects the image of the hippie-dippy guy, any response to attacks by him or his supporters is seen as unfair. He has benefited from Clinton's failure to confront him in the past. Now her confrontation is seen as desperate rather than fair game behavior.
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Bill Clinton's most laughable swipe at Sanders supporters was the complaint that any criticism lobbed at Bernie is met with the accusation that he & Hillary are "establishment."
Guess what, Bill: the $80 million fortune you and your wife have raked in since leaving office not only makes you part of the establishment, it should go a long way toward salving your wounds at being confronted with the truth.
Guess what, Bill: the $80 million fortune you and your wife have raked in since leaving office not only makes you part of the establishment, it should go a long way toward salving your wounds at being confronted with the truth.
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Even worse, having Bill pipe up as attack dog puts into my mind the thought that he'll get a cabinet post if not the Veep position (or shadow Veep/Pres) in a Clinton White House. That is a very damaging image for her campaign. Why doesn't he take up painting his feet in the bath tub or running the foundation, and let HRC run this show?
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When Hillary names those who have endorsed her she is basically naming the democratic establishment.
Curiouser and curiouser
Curiouser and curiouser
Mrs. Clinton: stick to the issues and stay away from the personal. You are a Democrat; Senator Sanders is a socialist. America is with you on the issues... but we're against you when you attack or complain.
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Actually, America is with Sanders on the issues. Here's just one example from Gallup: http://www.gallup.com/poll/182987/americans-continue-say-wealth-distribu...
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I see no reason that we should be with her on the issues.
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"America is with you on the issues..."?
That has yet to be proven.
That has yet to be proven.
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The Ed Board that already endorsed Ms Clinton obviously does not read the comments from it's own readers and subscribers.
The Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party and the Independent Progressives like myself have been marginalized all our lives- I am 54 and have had the Clintons in my face since before I could vote having come of age in Arkansas.
They are not progressives, they are the establishment that has led the Democrats to lose state after state, city after city, both houses of Congress and have nothing but their fortune to show for it. The Clintons- Bill and Hillary worked for the DLC that dragged the Democratic Party to the Right and that fact needs to be mentioned. Progressives have been ignored but expected to swallow and take one for the team.
No more. Never again.
The Progressive Wing of the Democratic Party and the Independent Progressives like myself have been marginalized all our lives- I am 54 and have had the Clintons in my face since before I could vote having come of age in Arkansas.
They are not progressives, they are the establishment that has led the Democrats to lose state after state, city after city, both houses of Congress and have nothing but their fortune to show for it. The Clintons- Bill and Hillary worked for the DLC that dragged the Democratic Party to the Right and that fact needs to be mentioned. Progressives have been ignored but expected to swallow and take one for the team.
No more. Never again.
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I heartily agree. I lived in the south during Bill's tenure as DLC leader, and he abandoned African American and women voters to appeal to the potential white male Republican cross-overs. As president, he jumped on board the neo-liberal economics of Ronald Reagan and Wall Street. We have inherited that massively destructive legacy to both the American people and the Democratic Party.
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Perhaps Ms. Clinton is asking for only one dollar to increase the number of small donations to dispel the "perception" that her campaign is primarily funded by a much smaller number of very large donors.
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Huh ?
Bernie did this from day one. But I guess it's OK if he does it.
Bernie did this from day one. But I guess it's OK if he does it.
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My donations to Hillary's campaign have hardly been large and I'm fairly certain that I'm in the majority there.
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America is now speaking ever so clearly. Bernie.
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Sounds like someone's having second thoughts . . .
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Well, this editorial would have been a lot pithier if it had been written later and appeared after Midnight.
As of this comment, it looks like The Donald and Bernie have won, both commandingly; but Jeb! is making an impressive showing, almost edging out Cruz and beating out Rubio. We’ll see how it turns out once the Chicago suburbs finish counting votes. Could be time for Carson, Fiorina and Gilmore to book, leaving six to go into South Carolina on Feb. 20th. But so far, from seventeen to nine with so few actual contests fought ain’t bad.
Bernie should decidedly enjoy his fifteen minutes, as he may well not win a single additional primary. Trump could, but as the distractions become fewer with fewer foes, he’s going to look increasingly out of his depth against Kasich, Christie, Bush and Rubio. Hopefully, Cruz will fall off the end of the world no later than mid-March.
As of this comment, it looks like The Donald and Bernie have won, both commandingly; but Jeb! is making an impressive showing, almost edging out Cruz and beating out Rubio. We’ll see how it turns out once the Chicago suburbs finish counting votes. Could be time for Carson, Fiorina and Gilmore to book, leaving six to go into South Carolina on Feb. 20th. But so far, from seventeen to nine with so few actual contests fought ain’t bad.
Bernie should decidedly enjoy his fifteen minutes, as he may well not win a single additional primary. Trump could, but as the distractions become fewer with fewer foes, he’s going to look increasingly out of his depth against Kasich, Christie, Bush and Rubio. Hopefully, Cruz will fall off the end of the world no later than mid-March.
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Who the heck is Gilmore?
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Mary:
Jim Gilmore, perpetually among the second-tier of candidates, is a former governor of Virginia.
Jim Gilmore, perpetually among the second-tier of candidates, is a former governor of Virginia.
And your comment pithier too no doubt. As of this moment Jeb's impressive showing is tied for last place at 11% with Rubio.
As for Trump, why would he increasingly look out of his depth against Kasich, Christie, Bush and Rubio? Trump is in a league of his own and isn't even swimming in the same pool. That's his whole point. He doesn't have to answer to any of them or to any of you, the serious minded intelligent old school republicans.
The establishment Democrats are probably a lot more justified in thinking Hillary will prevail given the polls in future primaries. What hope is there for your party? And why, given that your party has majority in both houses, dominates and holds the government hostage to its demands, does it find itself in this sorry state? Donald Trump leads in every poll. He may well end up being your nominee for president of the United States.
I admire your relentless badgering against the Democrats, a thankless task in this forum, but wonder sometimes why you don't use your considerable intellect to dissect the failings of your own party with equal vehemence.
As for Trump, why would he increasingly look out of his depth against Kasich, Christie, Bush and Rubio? Trump is in a league of his own and isn't even swimming in the same pool. That's his whole point. He doesn't have to answer to any of them or to any of you, the serious minded intelligent old school republicans.
The establishment Democrats are probably a lot more justified in thinking Hillary will prevail given the polls in future primaries. What hope is there for your party? And why, given that your party has majority in both houses, dominates and holds the government hostage to its demands, does it find itself in this sorry state? Donald Trump leads in every poll. He may well end up being your nominee for president of the United States.
I admire your relentless badgering against the Democrats, a thankless task in this forum, but wonder sometimes why you don't use your considerable intellect to dissect the failings of your own party with equal vehemence.
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For a year we were told this election would be Bush III vs Clinton II.
Well, Bush sank tonight, again. Hillary is doing badly, both in votes and in behavior.
What is most striking is the pairing of the winners. Both are against much of the party they are running to represent. Both are saying that the parties have ignored the needs of ordinary Americans.
Both parties had other candidates to offer if Bush or Clinton stumbled. Those other candidates got nowhere close tonight for Republicans, and the Dems are already gone.
Voters are responding to a message, the same message from both winners, a message not offered by any of the other candidates.
That message is the meaning of this election. Our politics has forgotten the voters, and they are angry.
Well, Bush sank tonight, again. Hillary is doing badly, both in votes and in behavior.
What is most striking is the pairing of the winners. Both are against much of the party they are running to represent. Both are saying that the parties have ignored the needs of ordinary Americans.
Both parties had other candidates to offer if Bush or Clinton stumbled. Those other candidates got nowhere close tonight for Republicans, and the Dems are already gone.
Voters are responding to a message, the same message from both winners, a message not offered by any of the other candidates.
That message is the meaning of this election. Our politics has forgotten the voters, and they are angry.
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Both Bush and Clinton represent the old establishment.
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"Our politics has forgotten the voters, and they are angry." I agree with your statement, but I think disgusted is more accurate than angry. At least that is how I would describe myself. I am certainly disgusted with our "representatives" in Congress for allowing that branch of our national government to become a private fiefdom of special interest. A body that creates legislation that blatantly favors the very few at the expense of everyone else. If this isn't social engineering then I don't know what the term means.
The United States has evolved into an oligarchy. For those who want to stay the course, this is not the course you want to stay on. Oligarchies are very destabilizing. European history is a testament to this fact. Empires have vanished from the strife they cause.
If restoring representative government is considered a big liberal program then so be it. It's just sad that our rhetoric is so limited, and doesn't reflect well on our education. This should be the desire of every true American and not just Bernie Sanders and his supporters.
The United States has evolved into an oligarchy. For those who want to stay the course, this is not the course you want to stay on. Oligarchies are very destabilizing. European history is a testament to this fact. Empires have vanished from the strife they cause.
If restoring representative government is considered a big liberal program then so be it. It's just sad that our rhetoric is so limited, and doesn't reflect well on our education. This should be the desire of every true American and not just Bernie Sanders and his supporters.
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And this after years of complaining about low voter turnout. Americans are not lazy. They want to vote. There has been no one to vote for; those of us who always slog out to vote have been voting against, voting holding our noses, for 30 long years. Finally we get people to vote for, and the Times doesn't comprehend that this is what is happening.
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As almost always these results become meaningful only if a trend emerges; so far they have no true meaning and no real trend is appearing.
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They are meaningful to the extent that the networks increase ratings, and the so-called journalists are able to increase their brand and celebrity. And that is what is driving the entire thing.
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There's a real feedback loop mechanism, where the media gets behind the winner and it feeds off of itself. They also exaggerate the failures of the losers.
So Iowa and NH do have an outsized role - it's real.
So Iowa and NH do have an outsized role - it's real.
Unfortunately, her time is past as a national candidate. People are tired of old saws, they hate the establishment with a passion, they are fed up with the lack of attention to our borders and the unguarded borders and what they portend.
The establishment media were aghast at the 66% of yesterday's exit polling that showed people back Trumps feeling of closing the borders to Muslins.
There is one message that Hillary must understand -- both the Dems and Reps want radical change. A pox on both their houses. I witnessed this when the Minnesota voters took a flyer with Jesse Ventura.
We are in the midst of a populist revolution that we have not had since before WWII when 6 million farms meant -- people with the independent means of production. They were the source of prairie fires that swept TR and FDR into office. I think Jefferson is misinterpreted when he said he hated the cities and what they did to people -- they eliminated the independent means of production of 10s of millions of Americans who had to go to work for the "boss", Levittowns' of look alike acres.
Trump and Sanders are voices for radical change. A voice that Hillary can hear or understand.