Get to the issues? Isn't that your job to make the candidates talk about issues? Some things never change.
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I think it's worth pointing out much more often that these caucuses and primaries are the private events of private parties seeking to nominate candidates for public office. The Times would be doing a service to the nation by pretty much ignoring the horse race and concentrating only on the discussion of ideas, not limiting that coverage to the two "major" political parties. That would then reduce or eliminate the nauseating coverage of so extraordinarily overblown a happening like the Iowa circus that just ended. Yeah, I know. When pigs fly.
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Bernie Sanders is about the future of this country, Hillary about its present. The young voters, whose voices should country the most, trust Sanders, not Hillary, with shaping its future.
There are still 49 states to vote, and no one can claim that she or he has won the nomination.
"It ain't over till its' over."
There are still 49 states to vote, and no one can claim that she or he has won the nomination.
"It ain't over till its' over."
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Dear Hillary supporters,
I am awake. I have been awake. In fact, sometimes I can't sleep at night thinking about what's happened to our Democracy and the direction we're headed as a country, as well as what that means for our children. Please stop telling me to wake up. It only alienates me further as I start to wonder if I still have a place in the Demoncratic party at all, after all these years.
I am awake. I have been awake. In fact, sometimes I can't sleep at night thinking about what's happened to our Democracy and the direction we're headed as a country, as well as what that means for our children. Please stop telling me to wake up. It only alienates me further as I start to wonder if I still have a place in the Demoncratic party at all, after all these years.
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I agree that the campaign conversations have been far from substantive and extreme candidates are at the front of both parties. But, it is superficial name calling to describe the core Republican message as one "of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate." Almost half of our country votes Republican, and it is inaccurate to say that almost half the people you meet are motivated by messages of xenophobia and hate. I'm glad Trump's popularity seems to be falling, but a lot of people at his rallies were liberals and Reagan Democrats. Hostility for the status quo has been part of both parties' rhetoric.
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"Mr. Sanders is all about heart". Actually you used the wrong term. You should have used the word "passion". Big difference.
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Cruz won, who’d have thought he could get this act past so many people. He strikes me as the character Pendragon in the old movie “Jack The Giant Killer”.
Trump says he will win in NH, will he finally say something concrete and specific or does he still imagine he can get by on bluster? Still in all he is a less dangerous to the US choice than Cruz.
Rubio is lashing out at things he knows GOPers are supposed to hate in a way that makes me think he is just a Senior in HS trying to win ASB President so he can get revenge on the bully’s who pick at his insecurities.
Nothing new here really.
I support Bernie, Mrs. Clinton’s time passed her in 08.
I don’t get how the NYT or anyone can belittle Mr Sander’s ideas. It isn’t as if it has not been done before.
After all what he is talking about is replacing the rules and regulations that made our nation great from the 1930’s to 1980 after which the GOP set about destroying them and our real problems with economic instability and the intentional destruction of a working and profitable manufacturing infrastructure began.
Mrs. Clinton is just fine with the status quo.
Trump says he will win in NH, will he finally say something concrete and specific or does he still imagine he can get by on bluster? Still in all he is a less dangerous to the US choice than Cruz.
Rubio is lashing out at things he knows GOPers are supposed to hate in a way that makes me think he is just a Senior in HS trying to win ASB President so he can get revenge on the bully’s who pick at his insecurities.
Nothing new here really.
I support Bernie, Mrs. Clinton’s time passed her in 08.
I don’t get how the NYT or anyone can belittle Mr Sander’s ideas. It isn’t as if it has not been done before.
After all what he is talking about is replacing the rules and regulations that made our nation great from the 1930’s to 1980 after which the GOP set about destroying them and our real problems with economic instability and the intentional destruction of a working and profitable manufacturing infrastructure began.
Mrs. Clinton is just fine with the status quo.
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Astounding that The Editorial Board says "it's time to move beyond the emotional venting that has been broadly common to both parties".....when The Times has fostered that very thing. The Times - sadly - has focused on personality instead of policy,
pushed Mrs. Clinton from the beginning, rarely mentioned Sen. Sanders until recently, and today mentions Martin O'Malley more than it ever has before! We expect more from The Times with "the only news that's fit to print!"
pushed Mrs. Clinton from the beginning, rarely mentioned Sen. Sanders until recently, and today mentions Martin O'Malley more than it ever has before! We expect more from The Times with "the only news that's fit to print!"
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You in the media really need to dig into the candidates and ask how they are going to accomplish things they promise will happen. The populace doesnt seem to be able to see that Trump will not get Mexico to pay for that wall, Sanders will not get Wall St. to pay for free college for everyone, Bush will never get it through anywhere to raise the Social security ages to 70 (fine for office workers but rather hard for people doing physical work), Rubio will not be able to repeal everything Obama has done and the list goes on and on. We need some real conversation on how much more money we want to throw at our bloated military budget and for what purpose. There are so many things the media could do rather than just writing articles on how outlandish Trump is - it is time for some real investigative reporting; life is not a reality show.
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Sobering up is what our electoral political process requires, and Iowa may be just what the doctor ordered, so we can talk about what needs to be done, instead of hearing charlatans in disguise tell us what we want to hear. Trump and Cruz continue spewing fear and hate in their talks, and Rubio's rabid attacks on Obama are so lame and distorted that he is cheating what little self- respect he may have. For now, republican absence of substance is sorely exposed, just promising to reverse course of any and all accomplishments of the current administration, and hardly any ideas to replace them with; in brief, all bluster, all obstruction, a miserable showing. And Christie's innuendos, so vulgar, fortunately destined to choke his aspirations for higher office. All in all, a poor showing, an exercise in futility. The democratic candidates, flawed and all, are our best hope to advance the causes we hold dear, hopefully tackling inequality and its inequities.
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As an Iowan who no longer resides there, I feel for my good people on both sides of the aisles. They respected the process; so they showed up and dealt with what was served.
We’re saddled with unqualified candidates who rely on rhetoric that avoid real issues, that incites. (The campaign season is like theater with one bad scene after another. The woman in a ‘porcupine’ jacket speaking in tongues is probably one of the most memorable.) None of the candidates offer a vision with substance. None inspire. None unite us.
I wished my Iowans had revolted and said, “We want a box that offers, “NONE OF THE ABOVE.” I wished we the people would exercise our right to say we won’t accept the bad choices that are served to us until there’s an actual candidate whose words comport with his/her actions, until there’s someone who demonstrates credibility and trustworthiness.
Most CEOs in this country have to show that they have street cred. We the people should require this of presidential candidates as well. They should demonstrate their knowledge of American history, an understanding of world histories and politics, economics, public policy, environmental changes, etc. They need to demonstrate manners, a sense of honor and integrity. At the very least, sportsmanship and courtesy toward one’s competitors / adversaries.
We the people need to revolt and demand a new list of presidential candidates (and a new Congress). We as a nation need to evolve, not devolve.
We’re saddled with unqualified candidates who rely on rhetoric that avoid real issues, that incites. (The campaign season is like theater with one bad scene after another. The woman in a ‘porcupine’ jacket speaking in tongues is probably one of the most memorable.) None of the candidates offer a vision with substance. None inspire. None unite us.
I wished my Iowans had revolted and said, “We want a box that offers, “NONE OF THE ABOVE.” I wished we the people would exercise our right to say we won’t accept the bad choices that are served to us until there’s an actual candidate whose words comport with his/her actions, until there’s someone who demonstrates credibility and trustworthiness.
Most CEOs in this country have to show that they have street cred. We the people should require this of presidential candidates as well. They should demonstrate their knowledge of American history, an understanding of world histories and politics, economics, public policy, environmental changes, etc. They need to demonstrate manners, a sense of honor and integrity. At the very least, sportsmanship and courtesy toward one’s competitors / adversaries.
We the people need to revolt and demand a new list of presidential candidates (and a new Congress). We as a nation need to evolve, not devolve.
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Hammer and Sickle Sanders is not going to win the nomination and not going any place in a hurry after NH. Unless Hillary faces legal jeopardy for her email shenanigans, she is in it for the long haul and to compete in the general elections.
But, I would ask that she not smirk and gloat about her razor thin lead in Iowa caucuses. I learn that some of the delegates in a few counties were awarded on the basis of coin toss (really????) and the last remaining precinct that is ready to report results is unable to do so because the DNC is not answering phone calls.
If there is a rigged system, this is it. DNC chairwoman, Schultz, is acting more like Kate Harris who conspired to give Florida to Dubya in 2000. It seems like a Florida disease.
Hillary should call DNC and tell the powers that be to cut it out. She must win fair and square, not fast and loose.
But, I would ask that she not smirk and gloat about her razor thin lead in Iowa caucuses. I learn that some of the delegates in a few counties were awarded on the basis of coin toss (really????) and the last remaining precinct that is ready to report results is unable to do so because the DNC is not answering phone calls.
If there is a rigged system, this is it. DNC chairwoman, Schultz, is acting more like Kate Harris who conspired to give Florida to Dubya in 2000. It seems like a Florida disease.
Hillary should call DNC and tell the powers that be to cut it out. She must win fair and square, not fast and loose.
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Now that Bernie Sanders is perceived as a candidate who matters, we can only expect more condescension on the part of the Times ("Mr. Sanders is all about heart"), but also, more disturbingly, real dirty tricks from the Clinton machine and the DNC - two peas in a pod - in order to delegitimize Sanders. Stay tuned.
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Last night I heard Rubio talking about us needing a president to support the 2nd amendment and strengthen the Military. Also he claimed Clinton was disqualified due to her server problems.
Apparently it's not enough that we are constantly assassinating people from Drones and constantly bombing other countries. Rubio is a child. I wouldn't give him a BB gun -- he'd shoot his eye out. I certainly wouldn't give him the American Military to Wave around.
And with regard to Clinton -- well, it seems she has demonstrated poor judgment with regard to the servers, and maybe there's more to it than that, and we don't want leaders to get away with things or be above the law. On the other hand, if we get to the point where one party throws the leader of the opposition party in jail to advance their political career -- then America is over.
This reckless scandal making talk needs to stop.
Apparently it's not enough that we are constantly assassinating people from Drones and constantly bombing other countries. Rubio is a child. I wouldn't give him a BB gun -- he'd shoot his eye out. I certainly wouldn't give him the American Military to Wave around.
And with regard to Clinton -- well, it seems she has demonstrated poor judgment with regard to the servers, and maybe there's more to it than that, and we don't want leaders to get away with things or be above the law. On the other hand, if we get to the point where one party throws the leader of the opposition party in jail to advance their political career -- then America is over.
This reckless scandal making talk needs to stop.
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Rubio's demonizing Obama has become a part of all his public appearance. He reads the same lines for every question asked at debates, irrespective of what the question is. If someone bothers to look up all his public appearances, you will these line repeated ad infinitum. His hate and stupid accusations makes him a loser in my book.
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Why does anyone care about Iowa? They have badly missed the choices in the past two presidential elections. By a mile. White evangelicals are in a world of their own. They apparently do not see the very small difference between their way of thinking - Jesus Christ is great - and Allah akbar (pls excuse spelling). Religion has no place in our government whether it be christian, jewish, or any other.
The NYTimes was part of the problem. All news outlets did a terrible job of informing the voting public. It was all about the horse race . Where was coverage of the issues? You guys are turning this into an infotainment spectacle for sales and ratings.
The inmates have taken over our institutions, apparently. And you, the media, are all amazed at a totally predictable outcome. Really? This system is so broken, it is quite disheartening.
The NYTimes was part of the problem. All news outlets did a terrible job of informing the voting public. It was all about the horse race . Where was coverage of the issues? You guys are turning this into an infotainment spectacle for sales and ratings.
The inmates have taken over our institutions, apparently. And you, the media, are all amazed at a totally predictable outcome. Really? This system is so broken, it is quite disheartening.
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The NY Times Editorial Board should stop measuring drapes for President-Elect Ted Cruz and come back to reality.
Take a look at the numbers in the NYT from the Iowa Caucus entrance polls.
Ted Cruz won by dominating the votes from the most rural, most evangelical, far right fringe voters in Iowa.
Donald Trump crushed Cruz among Iowa moderates (i.e. Iowans who have the most in common with the rest of the Conservative voters in America), and oddly, immigration was not a problem for Iowans, who have a scant few in their state, as opposed to the traditional Southern red states, where immigration will be a deciding factor on Super Tuesday.
Even in Iowa, Trump blew Cruz away among voters who listed illegal immigration as their #1 concern.
The NYT is making a choice to conflate a heavily tilted, odd caucus filled with revotes into a coronation of Ted Cruz.
Not. So. Fast.
See you in New Hampshire.
P.S. This is the same NYT editorial board that endorsed John Kasich, trying to tell us the 2016 GOP primary is fait accompli.
Take a look at the numbers in the NYT from the Iowa Caucus entrance polls.
Ted Cruz won by dominating the votes from the most rural, most evangelical, far right fringe voters in Iowa.
Donald Trump crushed Cruz among Iowa moderates (i.e. Iowans who have the most in common with the rest of the Conservative voters in America), and oddly, immigration was not a problem for Iowans, who have a scant few in their state, as opposed to the traditional Southern red states, where immigration will be a deciding factor on Super Tuesday.
Even in Iowa, Trump blew Cruz away among voters who listed illegal immigration as their #1 concern.
The NYT is making a choice to conflate a heavily tilted, odd caucus filled with revotes into a coronation of Ted Cruz.
Not. So. Fast.
See you in New Hampshire.
P.S. This is the same NYT editorial board that endorsed John Kasich, trying to tell us the 2016 GOP primary is fait accompli.
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Re: The Democratic contest, at least, was a competition of ideas.
Pretty old ideas though: old, tested, and failed in many cases.
Pretty old ideas though: old, tested, and failed in many cases.
The editorial board of the Times I believe is trying to find some redeeming value in the comments made by Cruz and Rubio. One of many reasons why I get my print news from the NYT. We in the northeast are not particularly strong drum beaters for outside the box politics. I admit to my friends that unless Sanders candidacy overtakes Clinton's I will have to with tepid enthusiasm vote for Mrs Clinton. Bernie is either years behind or too far ahead to carry the entire country. I really applaud the under 40's crowd for reminding us Depression era kids that our ideas may be as outdated as phone booths at the corner of the block. It is time to promote bold ideas and not just stay within the safety zone. Man, how I wish I could truly believe that our country is ready to accept social change, Bernie style. He and I are contemporaries, but he is a lot braver than I am and unafraid to say that we need to rethink how to manage our priorities in this century.
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There is no way on earth I will vote for HRC. President Obama essentially betrayed many of the promises of candidate Obama - to me the break point was signing NDAA 2012 on New Year's Eve. And to me HRC is nothing but an extension of that duplicity.
Fuirthermore, in foreign affairs - where she claims experience as an asset - HRC has the toxic Cold War mentality, having failed to grasp the reality of new enemies, new alliances, all required by new challenges and changing times.
So if it is HRC against anybody in 11/16, I will sit it out.
Fuirthermore, in foreign affairs - where she claims experience as an asset - HRC has the toxic Cold War mentality, having failed to grasp the reality of new enemies, new alliances, all required by new challenges and changing times.
So if it is HRC against anybody in 11/16, I will sit it out.
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Bernie's claim that he is the only one WITHOUT a Super-PAC is laughable. Nobody thinks he will win and is willing to put their money where his mouth is to set up a Super-PAC for him.
It is kind of like a radio station that boasts of 'commercial free music hour' but hides the fact that no advertiser is willing to advertise on that station at least during that hour.
It is kind of like a radio station that boasts of 'commercial free music hour' but hides the fact that no advertiser is willing to advertise on that station at least during that hour.
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Thanks a whole lot Iowa. What a horrible job, can we now begin the real discussion of taking this first vote away from Iowa?
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So the NY Times thinks "His [Sanders'] highly enthusiastic crowd cheered his promises to “break up the banks,” regardless of whether that is remotely possible." Good to know that the Times has such a refined grasp of the essence of politics. Now, what other lessons might they have to offer we of the Unenlightened?
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The sad part is that none of the candidates on both sides truly represent the best interests of the american people. This is especially true of the Republicans, where the front runners, Cruz and Trump, are a disgrace to this nation. They will probably cancel each other out, and Rubio will be the nominee. Both Hillary and Bernie are experienced, battled scarred candidates. Hillary will get the nomination, unless her emails reveal more mendacious behavior. I like Bernie but worry about his skill to handle the geopolitical problems abroad. Bottom line, we don't have the best and brightest running.
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“Senator Ted Cruz of Texas, who scored a significant victory in Iowa over Donald Trump by staking out the most extreme right, ran his usual meanspirited attacks on just about everybody”
“Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, who fared well on Monday night, tried to put a younger and more charming face on the basic Republican message of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate, but at a rally on Saturday night he fairly quickly veered into demonizing President Obama, misrepresenting vital issues like Obamacare, and using critical national security issues mostly to stoke Americans’ insecurities.”
To NYT: if you were to occasionally put statements like these on the front pages a few more people might connect the dots and understand where the current republican party stands on issues important to them.
And more of them may start voting for their own best interests.
“Mr. Sanders is all about heart. On Sunday, he talked about “revolution,” as he always does.”……” His highly enthusiastic crowd cheered his promises to “break up the banks,” regardless of whether that is remotely possible
The meme that Sanders is about the heart and Clinton about the head is total nonsense. Their is a certain amount of Don Quixote in the desire for a woman as president. Remember that republicans have put her in the cross hairs for 3 decades; while Sanders has worked in Congress with republicans as well as democrats.
Start your reporting engines!!!
“Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, who fared well on Monday night, tried to put a younger and more charming face on the basic Republican message of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate, but at a rally on Saturday night he fairly quickly veered into demonizing President Obama, misrepresenting vital issues like Obamacare, and using critical national security issues mostly to stoke Americans’ insecurities.”
To NYT: if you were to occasionally put statements like these on the front pages a few more people might connect the dots and understand where the current republican party stands on issues important to them.
And more of them may start voting for their own best interests.
“Mr. Sanders is all about heart. On Sunday, he talked about “revolution,” as he always does.”……” His highly enthusiastic crowd cheered his promises to “break up the banks,” regardless of whether that is remotely possible
The meme that Sanders is about the heart and Clinton about the head is total nonsense. Their is a certain amount of Don Quixote in the desire for a woman as president. Remember that republicans have put her in the cross hairs for 3 decades; while Sanders has worked in Congress with republicans as well as democrats.
Start your reporting engines!!!
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Please. Enough with the passively patronizing, and lazy, "head vs. heart" scenario when discussing Sanders and Clinton. Just stop it. If the composition of congress stays as it is, they will see roughly equal obstruction. If the balance changes, they will both stand to get policies through. It just so happens that if our citizenry do show the courage to elect Sanders and demand meaningful change, that that will indicate a higher likelihood that the corrupt members of the house and senate will also be shown the door.
The NYTs condescension to Sanders and his millions of voters is repellent.
The NYTs condescension to Sanders and his millions of voters is repellent.
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I guess--given the editorial board's decision to endorse Hillary Clinton ahead of the start of voting--it really should come as no surprise to find the tone of this editorial to be pro-Clinton and down on Sanders.
Still, it is disappointing to find the board seems to be close to parroting the tropes and memes of the Clinton camp--framing her ideas as a "more cerebral and pragmatic"--while dismissing Sanders' ideas in sum as nothing more than not "... just upending the Washington power structure, but about tearing it down."
What makes it especially disappointing is that central animating idea in the Sanders' campaign--if there is one--is that our political system has become corrupted by the toxic influence of big money and big business--has been corroborated by the very reporting on this newspaper--most recently by a front-page article detailing on how a sizable percentage of the money to finance this year's presidential election has come from just 137 families--who are the definition of "big money."
It is NOT at this point a "radical idea" to say that our current political system is tilted by the flood of money from billionaires and big interests--I would venture to say that the reality of that as fact has bi-partisan support.
The signal difference--between the two parties--and between Clinton and Sanders is what causes it--and what to do about it.
The GOP blames it on unions.
Clinton says we can live with it.
Sanders says "break up the big banks."
Glass-Steagall 2.0.
Still, it is disappointing to find the board seems to be close to parroting the tropes and memes of the Clinton camp--framing her ideas as a "more cerebral and pragmatic"--while dismissing Sanders' ideas in sum as nothing more than not "... just upending the Washington power structure, but about tearing it down."
What makes it especially disappointing is that central animating idea in the Sanders' campaign--if there is one--is that our political system has become corrupted by the toxic influence of big money and big business--has been corroborated by the very reporting on this newspaper--most recently by a front-page article detailing on how a sizable percentage of the money to finance this year's presidential election has come from just 137 families--who are the definition of "big money."
It is NOT at this point a "radical idea" to say that our current political system is tilted by the flood of money from billionaires and big interests--I would venture to say that the reality of that as fact has bi-partisan support.
The signal difference--between the two parties--and between Clinton and Sanders is what causes it--and what to do about it.
The GOP blames it on unions.
Clinton says we can live with it.
Sanders says "break up the big banks."
Glass-Steagall 2.0.
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Hillary needs to explain how exactly she can get her ideas through the gridlock. What can she do that Obama couldn't? We've had a pragmatic, personable Democrat in office for eight years, and that's what ushered in this era of stagnation.
No one thinks Sanders has a better shot at reaching across the aisle, but that's just it - realistically, neither of them (nor any Democrat candidate) can overcome the congressional Republicans. It's not a compelling point.
No one thinks Sanders has a better shot at reaching across the aisle, but that's just it - realistically, neither of them (nor any Democrat candidate) can overcome the congressional Republicans. It's not a compelling point.
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Given what passes for ideas in the GOP, the Editorial Board might just regret its stated hope in a few weeks.
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Maybe the media, including the NY Times, could help push the campaign towards issues and policies by choosing to ignore, for the most part, the bright shiny baubles and focus on the issues.
For example, "Mr. Trump spoke before an enthusiastic audience of his supporters. He addressed immigration, trade with China, unemployment, etc. He attacked existing policies. He offered no new policy initiatives, failed to amplify his expressed policies and failed to discuss criticisms of his policies. He won excited applause from the audience when he singled out X group and blamed them for everything."
For example, "Mr. Trump spoke before an enthusiastic audience of his supporters. He addressed immigration, trade with China, unemployment, etc. He attacked existing policies. He offered no new policy initiatives, failed to amplify his expressed policies and failed to discuss criticisms of his policies. He won excited applause from the audience when he singled out X group and blamed them for everything."
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The Republicans would have one believe that the world was about to collapse into chaos and that Obama is an obtuse usurper who was fiddling while the capitol burned. Wrong. President Obama seems to be the last one standing between neo con occupation of half the world and letting corporations write their own rules. The NYTs simplistic debunking of Bernie Sanders and their glossing over all the warts in Hilary Clinton's record provides ample evidence that the NYTs is a institutional bastion. Its heartening that voters have responded to the plutocrats efforts to control the process. George Soros obviously feels he's got a vested interest in throwing millions of dollars to Hilary Clinton.
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Sanders' approach to this election seems perfectly fit for younger voters, who don't quite get that compromise is the primary component of government. He talks as though Congress plays only a bit part in governing this country, so it's astonishing to think that he's spent much of his career in the House. His high-flying rhetoric about free college, Medicare for all and reigning in Wall Street is the 21st Century equivalent of a chicken in every pot.
We've already had seven years of a President who's fought knee-jerk opposition at every turn, and spent most of his time in the White House tilting at windmills. We really don't need another four or eight years of the same frustration. That's why I'm voting for Hillary.
We've already had seven years of a President who's fought knee-jerk opposition at every turn, and spent most of his time in the White House tilting at windmills. We really don't need another four or eight years of the same frustration. That's why I'm voting for Hillary.
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" ..the basic Republican message of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate.. "
If last night's relatively unsurprising results in the relatively small state of Iowa are enough to embitter (unhinge?) the Times' editorial board to this extent, one can only wonder what manner of hyperbole awaits the readers of these pages when President-elect Cruz or Rubio comfortably dispatches Hillary Clinton in November.
Keep the popcorn ready.
If last night's relatively unsurprising results in the relatively small state of Iowa are enough to embitter (unhinge?) the Times' editorial board to this extent, one can only wonder what manner of hyperbole awaits the readers of these pages when President-elect Cruz or Rubio comfortably dispatches Hillary Clinton in November.
Keep the popcorn ready.
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This is not a campaign in which Democratic voters are asked to choose between their "head and heart." Bernie Sanders' head told him that invading Iraq was a terrible idea; Ms Clinton couldn't understand that. Bernie Sanders understands that a single-payer health care system is best for America; Ms Clinton won't try. Bernie Sanders will fight for free college tuition, which is what America offered all of its veterans after World War II; Ms Clinton can't be bothered. Bernie Sanders understands the corruption and economic pain that an unregulated Wall Street has inflicted on America; Ms Clinton became rich taking Wall Street money.
The head and the heart are both telling us that Bernie Sanders is the best choice for America.
The head and the heart are both telling us that Bernie Sanders is the best choice for America.
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Claiming the Senator Sanders is "all about heart" and that Clinton is "more pragmatic" is disingenuous. Sanders has head and heart and is speaking truth to power. Clinton is owned. The majority of New York Times reporting has been slanted toward Hillary. Today's editorial is more propaganda in favor of the establishment. Why am I not surprised.
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The anti-incumbency swing favors the GOP POTUS candidate. Dems need to realize that plans are needed, plans that are realistic. Dems need to realize that dreams are creations of sleepers.
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"the basic Republican message of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate"
There's are things not to like about some of the Republican candidates, Mr. Trump in particular. But continuing to spout exaggerated rhetoric like the quote above is silly and frankly irresponsible behavior by the Times' Editorial Board. You sound like nothing better than a version of Donald Trump with left-of-center views.
This is not the place for a complete defense of much of the Republican philosophy, but there's much to like about an aversion to bequeathing enormous debt to future generations to pay for consumption today, and there's virtue in having concerns about excessive and often burdensome government regulation.
The fact is there's value to be found in policies that originate on both sides of the aisle. Comments like the one I quote above, and the innumerable similar musings that so often appear in this paper's editorials, really don't contribute much to a fruitful dialog. Analogous to Mr. Trump's speeches on the right, they may please some liberal readers, but they don't accomplish anything positive.
There's are things not to like about some of the Republican candidates, Mr. Trump in particular. But continuing to spout exaggerated rhetoric like the quote above is silly and frankly irresponsible behavior by the Times' Editorial Board. You sound like nothing better than a version of Donald Trump with left-of-center views.
This is not the place for a complete defense of much of the Republican philosophy, but there's much to like about an aversion to bequeathing enormous debt to future generations to pay for consumption today, and there's virtue in having concerns about excessive and often burdensome government regulation.
The fact is there's value to be found in policies that originate on both sides of the aisle. Comments like the one I quote above, and the innumerable similar musings that so often appear in this paper's editorials, really don't contribute much to a fruitful dialog. Analogous to Mr. Trump's speeches on the right, they may please some liberal readers, but they don't accomplish anything positive.
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Ted Cruz "ran his usual meanspirited attacks on just about everybody" and won handily among the Christian conservatives. What does this say about the state of religion, not just in the Middle East? And we wonder why more and more Americans list themselves as unaffiliated?
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Following a year of venting and anger, voters can only hope that the presidential campaign will now move toward issues and ideas. Not!
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The democratic side IS about Ideas.
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Listening to the candidates, there were at least five winners in Iowa. Clinton, Sanders, Cruz, Trump, Rubio. That's right, they all won and won big!
Reading the NYT there was but one loser - make that double loser (per the NYT) - Trump.
Looking at the delegates awarded, I didn't see any winners though there are several Republican losers and O'Malley. Only O'Malley has the honesty of character to say so.
Iowa wasn't very satisfying; just Hot Air. It's a wonder Iowa didn't float away.
Reading the NYT there was but one loser - make that double loser (per the NYT) - Trump.
Looking at the delegates awarded, I didn't see any winners though there are several Republican losers and O'Malley. Only O'Malley has the honesty of character to say so.
Iowa wasn't very satisfying; just Hot Air. It's a wonder Iowa didn't float away.
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Why can't both sides have ideas? Why must one party resort to petty attacks, rabble rousing, and pandering to our worst prejudices? Why is the GOP so much more interested in tearing things down, demolishing what remains of our social safety net, and other destructive actions? And why aren't they willing to offer something better than the same old stupidity about immigration, welfare queens, taxes, and smaller government?
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Because intelligence may be native but use of language and ability to think must be taught. When is the last time you saw communication or thought take place in any public arena in real time? Also thought and contemplation a large part of communication takes time. This is why things are falsely set up to move fast, and Pols use slogans, ambiguity, interruption and long grammatically improper diatribes to prevent engagement with what they are saying.
Such things used to be recognized as what they are, the arts of deception.
Such things used to be recognized as what they are, the arts of deception.
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"At least Mr. Rubio has distinct ideas."....Like what? I am waiting to hear one. So far all I've heard is that Obama was the president in history and he will reverse everything Obama has done. On day one he plans to eliminate ACA, send terrorists to Guantanamo, nullify the agreement with Iran, reimpose sanctions on Cuba, terrify Russia into submission, and eliminate ISIS by being "strong", whatever that means.
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You claim to want "ideas" yet you once again ignore Rand Paul. To quote a certain congressman: "You lie!"
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Charles: All ideas are not equal. Remember when Ron Paul was stumped by the question of what he would do if he found by the roadside an injured man who had no insurance. He began by saying that choices have consequences, before realizing that the horror on the face of the interviewer meant he should backtrack. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Perhaps you are mesmerized by "ideas" because there are so few on the GOP side.
Perhaps you are mesmerized by "ideas" because there are so few on the GOP side.
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Well once again as Iowa goes so goes...Iowa?
What all the time and money wasted by a nation obsessed with budget tightening thinks of spending such vast sums on something of little value defies imagination. Why should we be questioning politicians waste of our taxes when we citizens choose to waste so much time and money on a completely ridiculous arcane exercise.
Tradition you might say? How long has it been since Iowa and New Hampshire stopped mattering? When did theses two states which were important say half a century ago continue to be relevant in today's world of instantaneous communications. For heaven's sake, politicians could phone in their annoying cloying and meaningless stump speeches and we the people could smart phone our snarky responses right back telling them to cut our this nonsense and start making sense or lose our vote.
If the US wishes to find real solutions to real problems let them start by dragging an electorate hemming and hawing and foot stomping into a more modern system of choosing its most important and powerful leader. So far, the only thing Iowa and New Hampshire points out to the world at large is how positively insane we appear. Stopping this insanity by repeating the same mistakes from the previous century should be utmost in our minds. Right now, a much more savvy and sophisticated electorate demanding changes in the near future appears about as far-fetched as getting an elephant or donkey through the eye of a needle.
DD
Manhattan
What all the time and money wasted by a nation obsessed with budget tightening thinks of spending such vast sums on something of little value defies imagination. Why should we be questioning politicians waste of our taxes when we citizens choose to waste so much time and money on a completely ridiculous arcane exercise.
Tradition you might say? How long has it been since Iowa and New Hampshire stopped mattering? When did theses two states which were important say half a century ago continue to be relevant in today's world of instantaneous communications. For heaven's sake, politicians could phone in their annoying cloying and meaningless stump speeches and we the people could smart phone our snarky responses right back telling them to cut our this nonsense and start making sense or lose our vote.
If the US wishes to find real solutions to real problems let them start by dragging an electorate hemming and hawing and foot stomping into a more modern system of choosing its most important and powerful leader. So far, the only thing Iowa and New Hampshire points out to the world at large is how positively insane we appear. Stopping this insanity by repeating the same mistakes from the previous century should be utmost in our minds. Right now, a much more savvy and sophisticated electorate demanding changes in the near future appears about as far-fetched as getting an elephant or donkey through the eye of a needle.
DD
Manhattan
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Ted Cruz is the symbol of why America is hated by the rest of the world. He is the symbol of hate makes my skin crawl. Trump at least reinvents himself all the time and Rubio is wet behind his years.
Sanders shows America is stll beautiful and Hillary Clinton will work well with the congress to get the things done.
Compared to all the republican candidates Mrs. Clinton comes away in flying colors.
It is time for a President who happens to be a Woman.
Sanders shows America is stll beautiful and Hillary Clinton will work well with the congress to get the things done.
Compared to all the republican candidates Mrs. Clinton comes away in flying colors.
It is time for a President who happens to be a Woman.
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The media is celebrating Trump's loss in Iowa, assuming this is a great move towards more sensible politics and politicians. This is pure confusion. We should all continue to hope that Trump does well, as it seems he would have the lowest chance winning against Hillary/Bernie once the parties start actually debating each other. Cruz is scary, I contend FAR scarier than Trump could ever be. Trump is a hot air balloon that will quickly deflate. Cruz has the ability to be terribly effective at leading our country down a terrible road.
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For cultish Christians stuck in missionary mode, this will be an impossible task. There is only ONE point of view for those nutters. And, by the way, if the Democratic Party will collect the votes from the 90 precincts they missed, I think they will find that Bernie was the clear winner. There could be no other reason for this failure, except tacit support for the 'establishment" candidate. Almost as bad as Florida in 2000. Politics really is a glass house.
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Dear Editors,
I'm thrilled that you are relieved by Trumps defeat, & now we can start talking about the issues.. Now that Trump is out of the way, & I do believe he's finished, as his entertainment had gotten tiresome, & his audiences were there for laughs & not to vote for him.The real losers are the Media, now the campaign for President becomes what it always is a dull insufferable year of annoying calls & a bombardment of newspaper adds, & TV advertisements denouncing the opposing candidates.Either Cruz or Rubio will be our next President, Hillary has too much baggage & Sanders is looked upon as an Anti religious Jew who will be detrimental to good old Christian values. The Gay rights progress will be curtailed. & the theocratic states will have the right to deny the Gay community the rights that other Americans have. Woman's choice will be under attack, & most States will make abortion illegal, and when Ginsberg leaves the court & she's on her last leg, the Supreme court will be solidly evangelistic.
Editors now that Trump is not a factor, we can look forward to a possible 8 years of a theocratic ,reactionary, Government, run by elements of the John Birch Society, but we will have the same old starchy political process, talking about issues, & most important no more laughs.
I'm thrilled that you are relieved by Trumps defeat, & now we can start talking about the issues.. Now that Trump is out of the way, & I do believe he's finished, as his entertainment had gotten tiresome, & his audiences were there for laughs & not to vote for him.The real losers are the Media, now the campaign for President becomes what it always is a dull insufferable year of annoying calls & a bombardment of newspaper adds, & TV advertisements denouncing the opposing candidates.Either Cruz or Rubio will be our next President, Hillary has too much baggage & Sanders is looked upon as an Anti religious Jew who will be detrimental to good old Christian values. The Gay rights progress will be curtailed. & the theocratic states will have the right to deny the Gay community the rights that other Americans have. Woman's choice will be under attack, & most States will make abortion illegal, and when Ginsberg leaves the court & she's on her last leg, the Supreme court will be solidly evangelistic.
Editors now that Trump is not a factor, we can look forward to a possible 8 years of a theocratic ,reactionary, Government, run by elements of the John Birch Society, but we will have the same old starchy political process, talking about issues, & most important no more laughs.
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I won a bet with my husband by accurately predicting the results. Maybe I should consider a new career as a political consultant! But seriously, listening the Cruz' speech gave me the chills. People think this election is about the economy. It isn't. Globalism is unstoppable and the gap between those who thrive in the new economy and those who fail, will continue to grow. Hillary may shrink it by a couple of percentage points but nobody can close it, Bernie's back-to-the-future socialist dreams notwithstanding. No the election will be about religion, between the political and ideological clash of democracy and theocracy. If Cruz is elected, Da'esh can retire - we'll have our own Shariah law at home.
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I think it is too early to dismiss Trump. He was doomed in a state dominated by older, highly evangelical voters like Iowa. New Hampshire will be much different. I suspect he will do much better against Cruz in that state. The question is whether Rubio will push in front of both. The Republican mainstream is very concerned about the candidate choices as nearly all the candidates are further to the right than the rank-and-file.
Big money and an irresponsible media (more concerned in a show than providing accurate information) has caused the extremists to gain the spotlight. Now we have to ask whether there is enough information to even evaluate the more mainstream candidates? If not, then money/media will have so distorted the primary that the most appropriate candidate will not be selected.
Big money and an irresponsible media (more concerned in a show than providing accurate information) has caused the extremists to gain the spotlight. Now we have to ask whether there is enough information to even evaluate the more mainstream candidates? If not, then money/media will have so distorted the primary that the most appropriate candidate will not be selected.
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The Republicans made a fine showing in Iowa and hope they can keep up the momentum in New Hampshire. Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio would make fine presidential candidates and are the change we need to get back on track. This nation can be great again if we have new fresh leadership and rid ourselves of Obama's failed policies. Good luck Mr. Cruz and Mr. Rubio in New Hampshire and keep winning in the polls.
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"New fresh leadership"? Give me a break! The only positions being advanced this new generation of supposed Republicans leaders are the same only tired ideas aimed at advancing the interests of their fat-cat donors and other society elites.
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Many Democrats want to focus on the issues but the Sanders campaign is wrapped up in conspiracy theories about the media being against them, the Iowa caucuses being fraudulent and Hillary Clinton being part of a vast right wing conspiracy.
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"His [Sanders] highly enthusiastic crowd cheered his promises to “break up the banks,” regardless of whether that is remotely possible." This is just another Clinton/Republican talking point - one that the Times with its unpersuasive endorsement of Clinton will now continue to make. At least Bernie is aiming high. Obviously, he may not completely reach all of his goals; however, he may be able to make some progress. In contrast, with Hillary all we will get just more of the same, and possibly, may slide backwards even more into the strangling grip of the banks and corporate America. Hillary is a gold card member of the 1%. How can she possibly represent middle America when she has betrayed it so many times?
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"At least Bernie is aiming high."....Do you know what happens to people who think they can leap tall buildings in a single bound?
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Have you see the Hillary "superwoman" ad?
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They become Superman...
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As long as Trump remains in the race, forget about focusing on issues and ideas. If anything, the personal attacks will ramp up to the point where it makes the Jerry Springer show look cerebral. On the Democratic side, it may also get more testy but Bernie and Hillary are too issue-focused to end up in a mud puddle.
How can you move forward with ideas and proposals when you don't have any. I have watched over 20 speeches by the Donald and the same platitudes are repeated time and time again and are meaningless. "We are going to build a wall, boy we are going to build a wall and it will be strong,ever so strong. And we are going to get Mexico to pay for it"???Huh?? "The Mexicans and the Chinese have smart negotiators. We have dumb ones. That's why they are doing so well" so well the Chinese economy is tanking and threatening to take the entire world with it. And if the Mexicans are doing so well, why are they coming here. Trump promises to bring the jobs back by the strength of his personality but I suspect his fellow billionaires will laugh at him if he try strong arming them. His tax giveaway to the wealthy will further decimate our infrastructure given lack of money to fix anything in the treasury and quadruple the extent of income inequality that now exists. These are the ideas moving forward that the republican front runner will repeat ad nauseum.
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Bring on Bloomberg. A pragmatist who can unite both sides of the aisle.
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???? You do know he is a billionaire from New York?
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Interesting that this one line merits a "NYT Picks" badge. As if.
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The Editorial says of Hillary Clinton: "She made rousing calls to protect women’s rights, on wage equality and on health care, but her primary pitch was that she has detailed ideas and the ability to make them happen."
What "ability to make them happen"?
Did she have a long and illustrious list of legislation passed as a Senator? No.
Did she get health care pased when tasked to do it as First Lady? No.
Did she have a long series of diplomatic "wins" as Secretary of State? No.
So where is the "ability to make them happen" except in the minds of Hillay Clinton and the editorial writers? Curious minds want to know.
Hillary Clinton is "Republican-lite." Her judgment is plainly open to question, which she has freely admitted.
Bernie Sanders in 2016.
What "ability to make them happen"?
Did she have a long and illustrious list of legislation passed as a Senator? No.
Did she get health care pased when tasked to do it as First Lady? No.
Did she have a long series of diplomatic "wins" as Secretary of State? No.
So where is the "ability to make them happen" except in the minds of Hillay Clinton and the editorial writers? Curious minds want to know.
Hillary Clinton is "Republican-lite." Her judgment is plainly open to question, which she has freely admitted.
Bernie Sanders in 2016.
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This editorial is just a rehash of the NYTimes editorial endorsing Hillary Clinton.
This editorial reads:
"Mr. Sanders is all about heart. On Sunday, he talked about “revolution,” as he always does. He kept asking his audience if they wanted to hear “another radical idea” and spoke not about just upending the Washington power structure, but about tearing it down. His highly enthusiastic crowd cheered his promises to “break up the banks,” regardless of whether that is remotely possible."
For example, is it "remotely possible" that the Glass-Steagall Act can be re-enacted by the next "new" Congress as Bernie Sanders advocates? If Bernie Sanders is elected President of the United States and citizens in their various state elections vote for U. S. Senators and Representatives who also support this idea, it can happen.
Hillary Clinton states that she is against the Glass-Steagall Act being re-enacted.
Therefore, in every Democratic Presidential primary state this will be an issue separating Sanders and Clinton. Let the voters speak and see if this idea can happen. And, let's see how one third of the sitting U. S. Senators and all of the members of the House of Representatives respond to this issue.
This editorial reads:
"Mr. Sanders is all about heart. On Sunday, he talked about “revolution,” as he always does. He kept asking his audience if they wanted to hear “another radical idea” and spoke not about just upending the Washington power structure, but about tearing it down. His highly enthusiastic crowd cheered his promises to “break up the banks,” regardless of whether that is remotely possible."
For example, is it "remotely possible" that the Glass-Steagall Act can be re-enacted by the next "new" Congress as Bernie Sanders advocates? If Bernie Sanders is elected President of the United States and citizens in their various state elections vote for U. S. Senators and Representatives who also support this idea, it can happen.
Hillary Clinton states that she is against the Glass-Steagall Act being re-enacted.
Therefore, in every Democratic Presidential primary state this will be an issue separating Sanders and Clinton. Let the voters speak and see if this idea can happen. And, let's see how one third of the sitting U. S. Senators and all of the members of the House of Representatives respond to this issue.
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Ah, the Democratic "choice of ideas".
Those ideas are
1. Tax the living daylights out of everyone, cutting the legs out from underneath job creation. The good news for the tens of millions of people who lose their jobs is that the government will give them more free stuff. Fortunately, the Hill would completely ignore Sanders, making him impotent from day 1.
2. Formalize the Clinton Kleptocracy. I cannot think of another president in history that went in with so little wealth and became to wealthy after. Hillary is corrupt in the ways of Ferdinand Marcos and Soeharto. The Clinton slush fund reportedly has hundreds of millions of dollars. They accept money from some, and hand it out to others, just like any other third world politician. She honestly believes she is above the law and wantonly ignores the law, that "It doesn't apply to me". Hillary belongs in prison.
Those ideas are
1. Tax the living daylights out of everyone, cutting the legs out from underneath job creation. The good news for the tens of millions of people who lose their jobs is that the government will give them more free stuff. Fortunately, the Hill would completely ignore Sanders, making him impotent from day 1.
2. Formalize the Clinton Kleptocracy. I cannot think of another president in history that went in with so little wealth and became to wealthy after. Hillary is corrupt in the ways of Ferdinand Marcos and Soeharto. The Clinton slush fund reportedly has hundreds of millions of dollars. They accept money from some, and hand it out to others, just like any other third world politician. She honestly believes she is above the law and wantonly ignores the law, that "It doesn't apply to me". Hillary belongs in prison.
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Spend five minutes and seriously think about where the economy is. Then consider what constitutes a logical solution, as opposed to the standard ideological knee-jerk response.
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The Iowa caucuses accomplished one thing. We got rid of two birds with one stone.
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I don't know if I'm having a senior moment, but have the Iowa caucuses ever successfully picked the eventual presidential winner?
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One waits patiently for the day when the NYTimes editorial board, which has not exactly covered itself in glory this election cycle, abandons the ludicrous "Bernie is all about the heart, nothing about the head" meme- as though laying bare the actual conditions of politics, economics and propaganda in 21st century America, as Sanders has been doing on the stump, is not itself an heroic feat of empiricism in this age of corporate-driven mystification of the masses.
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For something that allegedly doesn't matter much, a great deal of ink is being spilled over the Iowa caucuses. A lot of hot air on cable TV too.
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If the Democrats nominate Sanders, as many NYTimes' readers are apparently hoping, I think the nation can look forward to another great American era of liberalism, similar in nature to those of the George McGovern, Eugene McCarthy, and Ralph Nader Presidencies.
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...McGovern lost to "tricky Dick," the incumbent. Nice try though.
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FDR? How many terms?
NYT claims that Cruz launched "meanspirited attacks on just about everybody". Let me see: isn't Obama saying that all Republicans are his enemies meanspiritied? Isn't Hillary's repeated chant about right wing consipiracy also meanspirited? And finally, don't you think it's meanspirited of the liberal press to repeatedly bash every Republican candidate?
Cruz is doing one great thing for the nation: he is looking them straight into their eyes and telling them very clearly how bad is the liberal agenda for them. And he is willing to openly debate every progressive who disagrees.
NYT knows this, and knows also that as a candidate he has a bigger megaphone and audience than any newspaper. So, perhaps calling his campaign meanspirited is just an attempt to blunt the truth Cruz is telling about them.
And in case you disagree, did you hear the loud cheer in Sanders rally last night when he blamed the media?
Cruz is doing one great thing for the nation: he is looking them straight into their eyes and telling them very clearly how bad is the liberal agenda for them. And he is willing to openly debate every progressive who disagrees.
NYT knows this, and knows also that as a candidate he has a bigger megaphone and audience than any newspaper. So, perhaps calling his campaign meanspirited is just an attempt to blunt the truth Cruz is telling about them.
And in case you disagree, did you hear the loud cheer in Sanders rally last night when he blamed the media?
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“I don’t think we can wait for ideas that sound good on paper but can’t get through the gridlock” in Washington, she said, in her most pointed but still oblique attack on Mr. Sanders.
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Hillary is exactly right: Bernie's ideas are good for a country being born out of tumult such as our country coming out of its fight with the British. His ideas are unworkable in our system, and unworkable unless we deepsix our constitution that guarantees free speech right. Supreme Court has ruled, like it or not, that if money is required to exercise political speech, then money cannot be construed as evil in our political campaigns.
Sanders should also know that hurting Wall Street will hurt ALL MIDDLECLASS whose pension contributions are invested in stock markets now, given the low interest rate environment we have been having. For example, California Teachers' union is among the largest investors in Apple Stock. I am beginning to think that Sanders is woefully unaware of how capitalism works to the benefit of all. No doubt, it allows the already rich people to leverage their wealth and magnify their gains but it also allows anyone to start a business in their basement or garage and make it into a multibillion dollar venture. Facebook would not have taken off and be the force it is if Sanders' ideas take hold.
As for Universal healthcare, if Sanders and his myrmidons think that you can just order the health insurance companies like United and Aetna go way, they are pipe dreaming.
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Hillary is exactly right: Bernie's ideas are good for a country being born out of tumult such as our country coming out of its fight with the British. His ideas are unworkable in our system, and unworkable unless we deepsix our constitution that guarantees free speech right. Supreme Court has ruled, like it or not, that if money is required to exercise political speech, then money cannot be construed as evil in our political campaigns.
Sanders should also know that hurting Wall Street will hurt ALL MIDDLECLASS whose pension contributions are invested in stock markets now, given the low interest rate environment we have been having. For example, California Teachers' union is among the largest investors in Apple Stock. I am beginning to think that Sanders is woefully unaware of how capitalism works to the benefit of all. No doubt, it allows the already rich people to leverage their wealth and magnify their gains but it also allows anyone to start a business in their basement or garage and make it into a multibillion dollar venture. Facebook would not have taken off and be the force it is if Sanders' ideas take hold.
As for Universal healthcare, if Sanders and his myrmidons think that you can just order the health insurance companies like United and Aetna go way, they are pipe dreaming.
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Since when did Iowa matter? Look at past history at least for Republicans, and the answer is NOT AT ALL.
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I'm a Bernie fan, but a realistic one. He can't do it alone, and most of his claims will require a democratic majority. If he's your one and only, you have to offer more than magic thinking, going on rallies and marches and yelling, and threatening to take your toys and go home if he is not the nominee.
And enough with the Republican talking points. They've had a quarter century to find and exploit Clinton weaknesses and they've honed it to a fine art.
So please don't tell us all what the Republicans said about Clinton again ... and again ... and again as if you thought it up for yourself.
It is the nature of politics that nobody wins, and those who have had to find the middle way are not to blame for the opposition tactics that control our world. Those tactics (the Kochs, for example) are disastrous, but fighting them is not the simple matter somebody pronouncing from center stage makes it sound like. They have a lot of power, and stopping that runaway train will be hard work.
We have a planet on fire, reeking of toxic waste, and it's not something somebody else can fix if we don't all work together. We all like our mod cons, but the price is getting too high.
Letting the Republicans win is not the answer.
And enough with the Republican talking points. They've had a quarter century to find and exploit Clinton weaknesses and they've honed it to a fine art.
So please don't tell us all what the Republicans said about Clinton again ... and again ... and again as if you thought it up for yourself.
It is the nature of politics that nobody wins, and those who have had to find the middle way are not to blame for the opposition tactics that control our world. Those tactics (the Kochs, for example) are disastrous, but fighting them is not the simple matter somebody pronouncing from center stage makes it sound like. They have a lot of power, and stopping that runaway train will be hard work.
We have a planet on fire, reeking of toxic waste, and it's not something somebody else can fix if we don't all work together. We all like our mod cons, but the price is getting too high.
Letting the Republicans win is not the answer.
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Bill Clinton was found not guilty not because he was not guilty but because Senate Democrats "leaked" that they would never find Clinton so the whole Senate trial before Chief Justice Rehnquist was a farce. But if Clinton wasn't guilty why was he fined $800,000 and lost his law license? By the way this isn't spin, which is all your post is. I see no facts.
So you have no problem with Hillary violating her signed agreement with Obama that the Foundation would not take foreign money while she was at State? Explain the $500,000 from the Algerian government.to the Foundation while at the same time they were lobbying her at State.
What about the contributions to the Foundation from Dell, Microsoft, GE, and Boeing after she approved overseas contracts by these companies? Quid pro quo?
Would you like to talk about the 22 emails so secret that they can never be revealed? Oh but she NEVER sent or received confidential emails did she. And the 1,324 emails she destroyed but were recovered? And if she followed the law and turned over everything as she said then explain the 30,000 deleted emails. Wouldn't "all" include those?
Tell me how China is going to work together when they have never followed the guidelines and last year built scores of coal burning plants around the world. Tell me how India is complying.
Lot of finger pointing and assigning blame. Typical Democrat It's always someone else's fault. Try doing some research instead of using DNC talking points.
So you have no problem with Hillary violating her signed agreement with Obama that the Foundation would not take foreign money while she was at State? Explain the $500,000 from the Algerian government.to the Foundation while at the same time they were lobbying her at State.
What about the contributions to the Foundation from Dell, Microsoft, GE, and Boeing after she approved overseas contracts by these companies? Quid pro quo?
Would you like to talk about the 22 emails so secret that they can never be revealed? Oh but she NEVER sent or received confidential emails did she. And the 1,324 emails she destroyed but were recovered? And if she followed the law and turned over everything as she said then explain the 30,000 deleted emails. Wouldn't "all" include those?
Tell me how China is going to work together when they have never followed the guidelines and last year built scores of coal burning plants around the world. Tell me how India is complying.
Lot of finger pointing and assigning blame. Typical Democrat It's always someone else's fault. Try doing some research instead of using DNC talking points.
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I think Rubio beats Cruz & Trump and Hillary edges Sanders in the primaries and that Rubio wins the general. Cruz becomes Rubio's AG. Hillary beats emailgate by playing too dumb to know what the meaning of "classified" is, but her co-conspirators get prison terms. Sanders goes on the lecture circuit for the rest of his life, telling bitter audiences, "I told you so." Trump buys an island.
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"At least Mr. Rubio has distinct ideas. " Yes he does.
One awful idea is means testing Social Security which undermines the only widespread thread of support that SS has.
How many times have you heard "I paid in,....."
He should instead adopt Danial Moynihan's idea of separate accounts which can be "passed on".
One awful idea is means testing Social Security which undermines the only widespread thread of support that SS has.
How many times have you heard "I paid in,....."
He should instead adopt Danial Moynihan's idea of separate accounts which can be "passed on".
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Want to meet an angry voter?
I am!
Why? Because this is an election between ambition and accomplishment - and ambition is winning!
Trump has never held a public or civic service job, all he talks about are polls and walls, and I've lost count of the number of irresponsible things he has said.
I can't remember a single thing Clinton accomplished during her eight year tenure as a senator from NY (where she's not even from). She quit the senate to run for president in 2008, and lost. To win over her supporters, Obama named her Secretary of State, where she presided unsuccessfully over crises after crises in the Middle East, notably in Egypt, Libya and Syria. After three years of that, she quit to run again to run for president - and here we are!
Trailing Trump and Clinton are people of a long period (30 years) of public service, with real accomplishments to show for it. For example, Sanders and Kasich. They should be winning hands down!
It's a very sad state of politics in this country.
I am!
Why? Because this is an election between ambition and accomplishment - and ambition is winning!
Trump has never held a public or civic service job, all he talks about are polls and walls, and I've lost count of the number of irresponsible things he has said.
I can't remember a single thing Clinton accomplished during her eight year tenure as a senator from NY (where she's not even from). She quit the senate to run for president in 2008, and lost. To win over her supporters, Obama named her Secretary of State, where she presided unsuccessfully over crises after crises in the Middle East, notably in Egypt, Libya and Syria. After three years of that, she quit to run again to run for president - and here we are!
Trailing Trump and Clinton are people of a long period (30 years) of public service, with real accomplishments to show for it. For example, Sanders and Kasich. They should be winning hands down!
It's a very sad state of politics in this country.
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Clinton was a very successful Sec'y State. Obama is a very successful POTUS. Pretending that all the ills of the world are their doing is puerile nonsense--or RNC propaganda. 30 years? Sanders was unknown outside Vermont until very recently, and that's because his little world is little Vermont--the population of DC is approximately the same as that of Bernie's state.
On the other hand, Clinton was in activist public life in the 1970s, and that was the beginning of the rage the GOP feels against her. Many lies succeed because they are repeated often--like the lies told about Hillary.
On the other hand, Clinton was in activist public life in the 1970s, and that was the beginning of the rage the GOP feels against her. Many lies succeed because they are repeated often--like the lies told about Hillary.
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Sanders probably can not beat Mrs. C. But that may not be the only measure of his success. Ever since the days of the Reagan Revolution's movement conservatism, we've seen precious little that shows progressivism is capable of building viable coalitions in this country. Finally after decades, Bernard has figured out how to awaken the elusive and undisciplined liberal voter. Liberalism may finally stand a chance of matching the fury and the energy of the Tea Party. I love a close primary.
As for Mrs. C, it seems the Democratic party has found its Mitt Romney. The candidate that doesn't do much for you, but you know is needed for the good of the party and the country. I can only that will be enough in critical swing states in November.
As for Mrs. C, it seems the Democratic party has found its Mitt Romney. The candidate that doesn't do much for you, but you know is needed for the good of the party and the country. I can only that will be enough in critical swing states in November.
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Yes, while Mr. Rubio tries to put a younger and more charming face on the Republican message of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate, the vast majority of his speech was again to demonize President Obama having destroyed his beloved country completely.
This editorial, though, giving him a little praise that at least compared to Trump, Rubio has 'distinct' ideas, is quite over the top, since his ideas are as extreme arch-right as the rest of the sorry bunch, with perhaps the single exception of Kasich.
And no, the fact that Trump was introduced by Sarah Palin made his performance on Monday not less but even more absurd, at least in my opinion.
This editorial, though, giving him a little praise that at least compared to Trump, Rubio has 'distinct' ideas, is quite over the top, since his ideas are as extreme arch-right as the rest of the sorry bunch, with perhaps the single exception of Kasich.
And no, the fact that Trump was introduced by Sarah Palin made his performance on Monday not less but even more absurd, at least in my opinion.
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So with Trump's likely demise and exit (I don't think it's too early to say that) we go from "no ideas" to Cruz and the rest's toxic bad ideas. Somehow I don't feel good about this. At least Trump had entertainment and comedic value.
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Trump will win in New Hampshire, so I doubt you'll need to say good-bye to his dog and pony show anytime soon.
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As the early morning election fog begins to rise it appears that America is ready for its first Hispanic president in either Mr. Cruz or Mr. Rubio. Once again we may celebrate the strength of diversity where second generation immigrants can rise to the highest office in our land.
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Cruz Missile or the Rube? Perish the thought. They could both be pink with purple dots, and I wouldn't vote for them. It's the religion, not the ancestry.
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Too much propaganda indeed! The" editorial" board is very acquainted with emotional venting as it's stock in trade is shameless, ham handed name calling and petulant verbal abuse. Instead of discussing policies and programs and finding common ground for a divided electorate to discuss, its' throw as much mud at the wall and hope something sticks because they're all crooks and mental cases anyway. Every once in a while toss in a sop about elevating the political discourse when its' the party you support and the smell becomes overpowering. Maybe someday they'll award a Pulitzer for hypocrisy.
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I feel a Scandinavian breeze, so refreshing. Go Bernie!
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Once again the Times dismisses Sen. Bernie Sanders's campaign, writing that, "Mr. Sanders is all about heart." And once again I write to remind you that Sen. Sanders is the only realistic candidate, the sole candidate in either party who actually proposes to do something about economic inequality and clean up the sewer of campaign finance that corrupts American politics. Until these problems are solved, few of America's problems will be solved, or even addressed.
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Sure, Americans & Congress are intelligent, reasonable people. What could go wrong?
Yes, New York Times. Let's have an article about Bernie. He's been a Senator for years. What legislation has he supported or proposed or opposed? What's his track record. He's obviously not a newcomer to international affairs - he's been around the block a few times - but you've told us nothing about him other than he's "all heart". He has more experience than President Obama had when he was elected and he has a vision for change that resonates. Let's see some specifics.
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I don't believe we are yet beyond the tantrum stage for the voting public. They are still mad, rightly so, considering what our political class has done to them. this anger was a long time coming, but this year, we have candidates that are providing avenues for just venting and a political/business class that continues to ignore the anger that their 1% policies have caused. Whoever is our next president, there will have to be a policy response to decades of middle class neglect.
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I consider myself to be politically informed. However, someone inform me what the voting public thinks has been done to them?
Is the voting public the Obama haters? Democrat haters? Who are they and what explicitly has been done to them?
Is the voting public the Obama haters? Democrat haters? Who are they and what explicitly has been done to them?
Voter Anger does the same thing for the political process as Road Rage does for highway safety. We need politicians who appeal to our reason, not our emotions.
I'm about to make a choice right here in New York: forget the New York Times! Looks like even Hillary's own party doesn't want her: last time they chose a rank amateur and now they're leaning towards an avowed socialist. Must be the constant investigations, the Wall Street graft or maybe her leadership during the Benghazi debacle; all things you overlooked while endorsing her. You know how to characterize Republicans as a party of "anger, xenophobia, fear and hate" so why not tell the truth about Democrats as well?
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"Sanders and Hillary Clinton were in a virtual dead heat at the caucuses. Though they criticized the Republicans, and each other, they did so with more civility than the Republicans..."
Not quite, New York Times. Hillary Clinton was pushy and brazen and obnoxious in declaring herself victor over Bernie Sanders when it was too close too call. And she did it by stepping on Cruz's victory speech.
Cruz is a horror -- but Clinton really showed off her ruthless ambition and pushy bad manners in the Iowa caucus last night.
Not quite, New York Times. Hillary Clinton was pushy and brazen and obnoxious in declaring herself victor over Bernie Sanders when it was too close too call. And she did it by stepping on Cruz's victory speech.
Cruz is a horror -- but Clinton really showed off her ruthless ambition and pushy bad manners in the Iowa caucus last night.
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Let us not forget just how white Iowa is. That Bernie did so well even without winning, is really great news because it means that it is just going to get better in the later races, when more demographically representative citizens can weigh in. New Hampshire isn't very diverse either but Sanders appears to be winning it handily. The beauty is that a large portion of disaffected whites are undoubtably voting Sanders. If Sanders can join disaffected whites and disaffected people of color he will have accomplished something new in politics since the civil war. I love this, it is about time. The rich have driven a race wedge between the races of lower classes for long enough. Vote your pocketbook, vote Bernie!
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Excellent results from Iowa last night. The beast Trump staggered onto the stage, not slain, but clearly crippled; his penchant for fiery talk caucused to a mere butane lighter. A glorious sight.
Cruz and Rubio get the job done. Good for them. Both struck familiar notes in their speeches, Rubio’s the better, I thought. The NYT’s editorial characterizes Rubio’s speech as a “message of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate”. Sen. Rubio may be too boilerplate in his discourse, but such a description begs even the slightest standing.
As for Mrs. Clinton and Bernie Sanders, last night served the former to again reinforce her stunning incompetence as a retail politician, and Sen. Sanders did well. I can’t stand Sander’s policies, but one has to give him credit for the fantastic campaign he is running.
Sen. Sander’s followers must think they are hallucinating due to flashbacks from their ‘60’s acid trips. They, and their hero, are having a good time, for now anyway. The sad thing about fun parties is that they always have to end sometime.
But certainly not having a good time are the NYT’s editorialists, plainly bitter at last night’s results. For this reader, enjoying this editorial was the icing on the cake.
Cruz and Rubio get the job done. Good for them. Both struck familiar notes in their speeches, Rubio’s the better, I thought. The NYT’s editorial characterizes Rubio’s speech as a “message of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate”. Sen. Rubio may be too boilerplate in his discourse, but such a description begs even the slightest standing.
As for Mrs. Clinton and Bernie Sanders, last night served the former to again reinforce her stunning incompetence as a retail politician, and Sen. Sanders did well. I can’t stand Sander’s policies, but one has to give him credit for the fantastic campaign he is running.
Sen. Sander’s followers must think they are hallucinating due to flashbacks from their ‘60’s acid trips. They, and their hero, are having a good time, for now anyway. The sad thing about fun parties is that they always have to end sometime.
But certainly not having a good time are the NYT’s editorialists, plainly bitter at last night’s results. For this reader, enjoying this editorial was the icing on the cake.
Sanders "followers" are famously in their twenties while Hillary's are oldddddd. The maths tell us Sanders "followers" did not have acid trips in the 1960s. Need I do the subtraction, or write out the problem for those able to subtract one four digit number from another? I Admit I did not do the maths, I was able to approximate.
But we are who we are and fools are fools.
But we are who we are and fools are fools.
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Well, you may be "who we are", but apparently "we" does not have much of a sense of humor. No math needed to figure that out.
“It’s totally understandable,” said Steve Schmidt, a longtime Republican strategist who advised John McCain’s 2008 presidential campaign. “Across the depth and breadth of American society,” he said, “nothing seems to be working.”
So the right wingers are angry with their own party that blew up Washington, is that what we're supposed to believe?
So the right wingers are angry with their own party that blew up Washington, is that what we're supposed to believe?
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Oh, you mean, you'll now actually cover Sanders' entirely issue-and-policy-based campaign -- agree or not with his positions -- and eschew all the Trump-porn?
You'll keep doing exactly what you're institutionally bound to do ("bound" -- there's no conspiracy here beyond like-mindedness and institutional imperatives): play the Sane, Centrist Adult in the room. So, anyone from HRC to Bloomberg to Rubio will be A-OK with you -- just as long as they seem centrist enough on most core issues that the people who write and read the NYT would care about.
That won't be either crazy racism (a good thing) or anything to the left of Clinton-Obama, our most successful Republican presidents. Huge shock!
You'll keep doing exactly what you're institutionally bound to do ("bound" -- there's no conspiracy here beyond like-mindedness and institutional imperatives): play the Sane, Centrist Adult in the room. So, anyone from HRC to Bloomberg to Rubio will be A-OK with you -- just as long as they seem centrist enough on most core issues that the people who write and read the NYT would care about.
That won't be either crazy racism (a good thing) or anything to the left of Clinton-Obama, our most successful Republican presidents. Huge shock!
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What a crazy way to choose a President. Imagine how well this great country could do with an improved, modern, democratic, system of government. Other countries are entertained and so glad they don't have to pay for this charade, now and they hope in the future. They are fearful that we'll pick another inexperienced, globally unaware, leader.
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Boy - you cannot get rid of tRump fast enough, can ya? Here's the bad news - Cruz is actually worse because he has the same core beliefs as The Donald mixed in with a Mission From God. Now you're stumping for Rubio to get rid of Cruz and it ain't gonna happen. Trump is not done for yet and other states will not have the evangelical support for Cruz.
This is hardly a "triumph" for Cruz. The establishment GOP is still running scared. As for Bernie and Hillary - I've about had it with emotional favorites. I'd like someone who is pragmatic enough to at least bring a gun to a gunfight. Obama frittered away his chance to get real change done by trying to be bipartisan. Hillary does not seem apt to make the same mistake.
This is hardly a "triumph" for Cruz. The establishment GOP is still running scared. As for Bernie and Hillary - I've about had it with emotional favorites. I'd like someone who is pragmatic enough to at least bring a gun to a gunfight. Obama frittered away his chance to get real change done by trying to be bipartisan. Hillary does not seem apt to make the same mistake.
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Dear NYT Editorial Board,
You forgot to mention how kind, considerate Bernie went negative in the last day when he saw he had a chance to win. Did he smell a real opportunity to have poser????
Furthermore at least the Republicans showed that they allow discussion and argument across the board in their party rather than the monolithic ideology of he the only two real contenders of the other party.
Finally, of course the Democratic candidates will not criticize the Presenident....I believe he is also a Democrat liked by his party.....so you can be be mean or dissimulate or even lie.......... but please ....please don't insult the intelligence of the readership with such sophomoric statements.
Ed B
Williamsburg
You forgot to mention how kind, considerate Bernie went negative in the last day when he saw he had a chance to win. Did he smell a real opportunity to have poser????
Furthermore at least the Republicans showed that they allow discussion and argument across the board in their party rather than the monolithic ideology of he the only two real contenders of the other party.
Finally, of course the Democratic candidates will not criticize the Presenident....I believe he is also a Democrat liked by his party.....so you can be be mean or dissimulate or even lie.......... but please ....please don't insult the intelligence of the readership with such sophomoric statements.
Ed B
Williamsburg
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You call the dreck spewing and insult throwing Republican debates 'discussions and arguments'?
Now, that is the funniest and most absurd comment I have yet seen. And in case you have not noticed, your side won the Oscar for 'monolithic ideology':
Praise God Almighty, lower taxes and Obama has destroyed this supposedly greatest country in the world.
Now, that is the funniest and most absurd comment I have yet seen. And in case you have not noticed, your side won the Oscar for 'monolithic ideology':
Praise God Almighty, lower taxes and Obama has destroyed this supposedly greatest country in the world.
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In the coverage and analysis of the race for the Democratic nomination for President in 2016, The Times, including its editorial board, has chosen to relentlessly abandon its integrity and its readers. No other major news agency has ever done that.
Bernie was down 41% points in Iowa when this race began. Yesterday, despite very troubling and possibly deliberate incompetence staffing caucus seats by the Iowa Democratic party, the race ended in a tie and The Times still doesn't understand why that happened and wants to paint Sanders supporters as using their hearts, not their heads. We are using our heads and we are passionate about the intelligence of our arguments. In fact, we are smarter than you can apparently imagine. The media is trying to dumb us down and it's not going to work. We see the corrosive effect of corruption that you don't. We remember history that Clinton supporters seem to be in denial of. We care about the future and the media cares about moneyed interests.
Bernie was down 41% points in Iowa when this race began. Yesterday, despite very troubling and possibly deliberate incompetence staffing caucus seats by the Iowa Democratic party, the race ended in a tie and The Times still doesn't understand why that happened and wants to paint Sanders supporters as using their hearts, not their heads. We are using our heads and we are passionate about the intelligence of our arguments. In fact, we are smarter than you can apparently imagine. The media is trying to dumb us down and it's not going to work. We see the corrosive effect of corruption that you don't. We remember history that Clinton supporters seem to be in denial of. We care about the future and the media cares about moneyed interests.
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I do not understand how repeating the same mistakes and expecting a different outcome is a cerebral approach.
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I hope H. Clinton and B. Sanders merge their campaigns for the sake of the soul of our American democracy and the safety of America, with one as President and the other as V.P.
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Clinton will not want to be the VP.
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Nor should she be. She'd make a heck of a secretary of state, though. Or even Supreme Court nominee.
"Emotional venting that has been broadly common to both parties?" Are you kidding, New York Times?
The Democratic side has debated real issues, finding common ground on most. Republicans have offered little more than a non-stop cavalcade of ad hominem calumny, sparing nobody, not even within the GOP .
In an awkward attempt to be fair, on this count, the Times is simply wrong.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
The Democratic side has debated real issues, finding common ground on most. Republicans have offered little more than a non-stop cavalcade of ad hominem calumny, sparing nobody, not even within the GOP .
In an awkward attempt to be fair, on this count, the Times is simply wrong.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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I'm grateful for the affirmation given here, that Rubio is absolutely nowhere to go as a refuge from the ignominy of Cruz. As that Party's policy czars shove forth Rubio now, his shackles need to be rattled from time to time, to reveal what a whore he is.
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I'm disgusted that there is not one mention of Sanders in the articles for today. What the heck is wrong with all of you?
If it were anyone but Hillary Bernie beat out, to have pulled off coming from almost no name recognition to being in a virtual tie, c'mon %0.4 is less than the chance of error and lack of oversight in 90 jurisdictions, would be the front page news.
Just because it's Bernie you don't even grace such an accomplishment by even mentioning it.
You're showing you are as much a part of the biased media as all the rest with this one. Shame on you and understand you are losing trust in the brand you have worked so hard to build.
If it were anyone but Hillary Bernie beat out, to have pulled off coming from almost no name recognition to being in a virtual tie, c'mon %0.4 is less than the chance of error and lack of oversight in 90 jurisdictions, would be the front page news.
Just because it's Bernie you don't even grace such an accomplishment by even mentioning it.
You're showing you are as much a part of the biased media as all the rest with this one. Shame on you and understand you are losing trust in the brand you have worked so hard to build.
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A lot of people on this web abhor everything about Sec. Clinton in their myopic support for Sen. Sanders. Do they also abhor the 8 years of peace and prosperity of the Clinton presidency where working peoples income rose and more people escaped poverty than at any time since WWII? Pres. Clinton took contributions from the wealthy but raised taxes on them and their corporations. he also deeply cut defense spending including closing sacred cow bases like the Presidio. Do they abhor his balanced budget and cutting the violent crime rate that was a growing epidemic when he took office? Instead of actual history they only believe the GOP memes and pass them on as reality. The reality is, that his administration gave working people the only respite they've had from the vagaries of the Reagan "revolution" that have only gotten worse since Clinton left office. Unfortunately also including Obama's time in office.
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Read Ralph Nadar's letter in today's paper. That says it all.
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So we're voting for Bill Clinton in 2016? I thought Hillary had disavowed this whole co-presidency idea.
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DOMA, massive incarceration rates for non-violent offenses, Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act limiting some provisions of Glass Steagel to name just a couple of ill-advised moves.
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I think it is telling that Hillary Clinton lost the 2008 Iowa Caucus to a very inexperienced, very liberal, freshman senator with radical associates. Now, she is in a virtual tie for that caucus with a socialist. Add to her disappointing caucus results her being under investigation by the FBI and she may have to drop out as a candidate.
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Only in the dreams of republicans.
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Inexperienced, freshman senator....are you talking about Bernie? He's been around for 40 years, was a leader of college civil rights organizations and Hillary will not have to drop out. Your lack of information suggests that you are a Republican.
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I was referring to then Senator Barack Obama who defeatede Hillary in Iowa.
I know the NYT breathed a sigh of relief when Trump didn't win Iowa, but Iowa was never a sure thing for Trump to begin with. And with the nearly tied result, Hillary lost in Iowa, by the tie that showed that Sanders is very strong.
The Establishment is going down. And the pain will continue.
The Establishment is going down. And the pain will continue.
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My take away.
1. Republicans are still a slow motion train wreck heading toward defeat at the Presidential level.
2. The Democrats are still working through their differences and have yet to decide which of the two, Sen. Sanders or Sec. Clinton, will best represent their majority opinion on Nov. 8th.
But as I write this morning in Seattle my major thought is that the voting has finally begun! What a relief.
1. Republicans are still a slow motion train wreck heading toward defeat at the Presidential level.
2. The Democrats are still working through their differences and have yet to decide which of the two, Sen. Sanders or Sec. Clinton, will best represent their majority opinion on Nov. 8th.
But as I write this morning in Seattle my major thought is that the voting has finally begun! What a relief.
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And now Bernie will meet reality. Not a single southern state will support a godless Socialist. After New Hampshire, Mr. "Income Inequality" will have seen his finest hour come and go.
And like a typical Liberal--he's also gone through all of his money. He has nothing left to move forward with. Fast forward 3 months, and the stories will be "What happened to Bernie Sanders--and how will he pay back millions in campaign debts"?
And like a typical Liberal--he's also gone through all of his money. He has nothing left to move forward with. Fast forward 3 months, and the stories will be "What happened to Bernie Sanders--and how will he pay back millions in campaign debts"?
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Spoken like a true conservative: a wholesale disregard of reality.
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@ Ray Clark....meet me back here in 3 months. Look for a headline, similar to: "Sanders flames out--appeals to supporters to help him retire campaign debt".
Of course, by then his rainy-day zealots will have retreated back into their parent's basements-- having spent their entire allowance on the failed presidential bid of an unelectable socialist.
Of course, by then his rainy-day zealots will have retreated back into their parent's basements-- having spent their entire allowance on the failed presidential bid of an unelectable socialist.
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The NY Times seems to reserve its most potent vitriol for Marco Rubio. They describe him as promoting fear, hate, anger, xenophobia (the son immigrant parents!), and -- wait for it -- criticism of President Obama ("demonizing" him).
Well, I watched his speech last night. He had an uplifting message. America's best days are still ahead. We are a land of hard working immigrants who have always helped their children do better than their generation. We are a nation of hope and opportunity.
Meanwhile, almost no criticism of Hillary Clinton's dishonesty (one line in a long endorsement editorial the other day). No mention of her national security scandal. Nothing about her deep, complicated ties with Wall Street.
Well, I watched his speech last night. He had an uplifting message. America's best days are still ahead. We are a land of hard working immigrants who have always helped their children do better than their generation. We are a nation of hope and opportunity.
Meanwhile, almost no criticism of Hillary Clinton's dishonesty (one line in a long endorsement editorial the other day). No mention of her national security scandal. Nothing about her deep, complicated ties with Wall Street.
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It must kill the editorial board that despite their all out efforts to paint Cruz in the most extreme light he won anyway Maybe this is an indication that the influence of the editorial is not what it once waa. And that must br a bitter pill to swallow
Cruz had as good a ground strategy as anyone.They were organized and were very effective at getting his message across as was Rubio.Trump skilpping the final debate was a foolish decision because the people of Iowa took that as a rebuke. It will come down to Rubio and Cruz.
Hillary to me suffers another defeat. Despite pouring millons and having Bill and Chelsea campaigning it had little effect. Hilllary should stand on her own and not have to rely on Bill to push her over the line. She's a flawed candidate all of this so called experience that the board touts is a myth Her hands are all over Libya, Iraq, Egypt and those 22 super secret emails uncovered that can never be released because of national security show she's liar.Yet the board endorses her.
Sanders? To me he was the winner for the Dem's Hillary's machine could not stop him. His events drew far more than her's did but it appears that the enthusiasm did not translate to votes.
Last week we exceeded $19 trillion in debt It has doubled under Obama. Sanders give away to anyone with a pulse would add $19 trlllion to the debt in 10 years according to the WSJ. When do Dem's stop spending money like drunken sailors. Every problem has a solution. More money
Cruz had as good a ground strategy as anyone.They were organized and were very effective at getting his message across as was Rubio.Trump skilpping the final debate was a foolish decision because the people of Iowa took that as a rebuke. It will come down to Rubio and Cruz.
Hillary to me suffers another defeat. Despite pouring millons and having Bill and Chelsea campaigning it had little effect. Hilllary should stand on her own and not have to rely on Bill to push her over the line. She's a flawed candidate all of this so called experience that the board touts is a myth Her hands are all over Libya, Iraq, Egypt and those 22 super secret emails uncovered that can never be released because of national security show she's liar.Yet the board endorses her.
Sanders? To me he was the winner for the Dem's Hillary's machine could not stop him. His events drew far more than her's did but it appears that the enthusiasm did not translate to votes.
Last week we exceeded $19 trillion in debt It has doubled under Obama. Sanders give away to anyone with a pulse would add $19 trlllion to the debt in 10 years according to the WSJ. When do Dem's stop spending money like drunken sailors. Every problem has a solution. More money
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Actually, single-payer health care would save the nation billions. Avoiding a quagmire in Syria would also save billions. Taxing the billionaires would also bring in needed revenue.
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Oh brother! what crap! "basic Republican message of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate" It's the liberals who "hate" and are angry that their vision of remaking America is at risk. Oh, but they are allowed to hate, because they are on the side of all goodness and truth!
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The Iowa caucuses show that voters are out ahead of the pundits and the media on the most important issue -- whether elected politicians will continue to listen to wealthy and corporate donors and ignore the voters who elected them. The shorthand Bernie Sanders uses for this issue is inequality.
The Times Editorial Board is among the foremost of the inequality deniers. Its denial is blatant in its mocking of Mr. Sanders with "his promises to “break up the banks,” regardless of whether that is remotely possible". In the next paragraph, its denial is blatant in praising Mrs. Clinton as the candidate who "frames her candidacy much more cerebrally and pragmatically" and "she has detailed ideas and the ability to make them happen". The Editorial Board is deep in denial.
Mrs. Clinton too denies inequality. Her position is that if we just ignore the inequality and vote for her, she will transform government into an institution that is responsive to ordinary Americans and not just to her wealthy and corporate donors regardless of whether that is even remotely possible.
Inequality denial is where climate change denial was twenty years ago. The time has come to recognize the reality of inequality and its pervasive effects on our lives, our economy and our democracy.
The Times Editorial Board is among the foremost of the inequality deniers. Its denial is blatant in its mocking of Mr. Sanders with "his promises to “break up the banks,” regardless of whether that is remotely possible". In the next paragraph, its denial is blatant in praising Mrs. Clinton as the candidate who "frames her candidacy much more cerebrally and pragmatically" and "she has detailed ideas and the ability to make them happen". The Editorial Board is deep in denial.
Mrs. Clinton too denies inequality. Her position is that if we just ignore the inequality and vote for her, she will transform government into an institution that is responsive to ordinary Americans and not just to her wealthy and corporate donors regardless of whether that is even remotely possible.
Inequality denial is where climate change denial was twenty years ago. The time has come to recognize the reality of inequality and its pervasive effects on our lives, our economy and our democracy.
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It is refreshing to see a candidate like Bernie Sanders, who is willing to take on the establishment directly, speaking the truth to power. This has been far too rare in American politics for some time. And for all the pundits who dislike Sanders' advocacy of "political revolution": I suspect that many of you never objected to Gingrich's frequent promotion of the "Republican revolution" at all.
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No single individual is more responsible for fouling US poltics than Newt Gingrich.
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Iowa serves two purposes--to winnow the field and also to prove the viability of some marginal candidates. On the Democrat side we now know that Bernie Sanders is for real and that Hillary Clinton is going to have to earn, rather than coast to, the nomination. Martin O'Malley probably should drop out. On the Republican side, the far right Tea Party wing of the party in Cruz, Trump, and Rubio captured 75 percent of the vote with Ben Carson and Rand Paul another 15 percent. We've now learned that voters don't love Donald Trump as much as he loves himself, and more ominously that Ted Cruz is more popular with the voters than with his fellow Republicans. Carly Fiorina, Jim Gilmore, Mike Huckabee, and Rick Santorum probably should drop out. Unless this is a complete fluke, the old Republican Party is history and we now have a new, more ultra-conservative, ideological party in control.
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Let's all hope that Cruz heads the republican ticket and makes Barry Goldwater's results look like a landslide republican performance.
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Ultra-Conservative? No, in no way Conservative. Today's Republican Party is Radically Reactionary, and the sooner their lack of Conservatism is exposed, the better.
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Respectfully, if Secretary Clinton couldn't engineer a clear win in Iowa against an adversary like Sanders, with all of her experience, organization, institutional support, know-how, and money, I don't hold out much hope for her getting through the gridlock in Congress. Republicans have demonstrated they'll block anything, so I'd rather have a president fighting for a progressive agenda, mobilizing public support, and then taking what compromise he can get. The alternative of Clinton -- a candidate who may not win in November anyway -- is less and less appealing every day. Under the Clintons (and in their campaigns), we end up seeing hyperpartisanship and division, almost solely based on personality, not an ideological division. For the Democrats who lined up behind Clinton too quickly and too uncritically, we're seeing where ambition and expediency lead us. It's reminiscent of other Democratic failures in recent years: Martha Coakley in Massachusetts, or the utter failure of the political establishment to channel effectively the popular rage against Scott Walker into political victories with strong candidates. Here we go again
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Issues and ideas? Don't be silly, it is all about who can out promise free stuff to the voters. Oh, yes it will be about anger. Emotions will win the day, or maybe it is 'stupidness', which always in play.
Why don't you try listening to Bernie Sanders. Get the money out of politics. Many of us no longer wish to be ruled by Wall Street, which is costing the people a fortune.
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While you endorse Hillary, your own article about how the ACA fails so many people is convincing evidence for single payer and Bernie. It is the NYT, not readers and Iowa voters, who is not using brains in their candidate choice.
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Bernie all heart....
Hillary all head....
No Editors....got this all wrong: Bernie is all head....and plenty of heart
and
Hillary is ....all Hillary...
No Editorial Board...now that you have turned your back on your believers...in progressive democracy which you have waved at us all in your past declarations of ...campaign finance reform....let's hear from some of your
old guard journalists who ...remember when you took a very progressive
stance...
so....are you the venerable paper of progressive democracy becoming
a turncoat....a Tory...so to speak about grassroots democracy...
I wonder what your commenters will say...now that you are so...blantantly
Wall Streeters...with Hillary Clinton...what say you now...Editors !!!
Hillary all head....
No Editors....got this all wrong: Bernie is all head....and plenty of heart
and
Hillary is ....all Hillary...
No Editorial Board...now that you have turned your back on your believers...in progressive democracy which you have waved at us all in your past declarations of ...campaign finance reform....let's hear from some of your
old guard journalists who ...remember when you took a very progressive
stance...
so....are you the venerable paper of progressive democracy becoming
a turncoat....a Tory...so to speak about grassroots democracy...
I wonder what your commenters will say...now that you are so...blantantly
Wall Streeters...with Hillary Clinton...what say you now...Editors !!!
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I find it especially rich the the NYT bemoans a year of posturing, polling, and propaganda. Perhaps the Editorial Board might want to look in a mirror to see the enablers of this farce? Or are those revenues the hype bring too seductive?
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The Editors of the Times, Hillary and Rubio all put Wall Street, the 1% and Israel before the interests of the United States, so why don't you just indorse Rubio and be done with it?
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You, the media, control what we hear and what we don't. Of COURSE I want to hear policies of all these people. So why don't you lay off the Trump lovefest and start actually reporting on what all these candidates intend to do when they are in office? Let's start with the ACA-repeal and replace with...what exactly? "Something better" just doesn't cut it.
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"...a choice between head and heart." Oversimplified and false: Sanders has plenty of both 'for the people' — one for all; Clinton is more head for herself — all for me.
Don't insult your readers, "Mr. Sanders...spoke not about just upending the Washington power structure, but about tearing it down." He has a bold vision to rebuild a more just society — yes, getting rid of abuse of power and financial corruption.
No more partisan pandering — act as a catalyst for a more civil discourse. The final choice is with the people, the value of the popular vote in a democracy.
Don't insult your readers, "Mr. Sanders...spoke not about just upending the Washington power structure, but about tearing it down." He has a bold vision to rebuild a more just society — yes, getting rid of abuse of power and financial corruption.
No more partisan pandering — act as a catalyst for a more civil discourse. The final choice is with the people, the value of the popular vote in a democracy.
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Gee, I thought Bernie was supposed to be "unelectable." Apparently the voters Iowa don't think so.
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Let's see if they actually COUNT those missing 90 precincts, and if Bernie actually did win. Failure to count those votes should be a strike against Clinton
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Bernie is unelectable. Iowa is 90%+ white and even to Bernie's left! Bernie had said that he will win if the turnout was heavy. They had the heaviest turnout and he still came short. I like Bernie and have sent him $. But he is self declared Socialist and has no clue how he is going to pay for everything he is promising to give away free. He has a snow balls chance of getting any of his programs past the congress. Republicans will do anything to have him nominated....If he is nominated, he will go down just like Goldwater & McGovern did and will take down the Democratic party with him. If he insists on going all the way to the convention, he will destroy the party just as Eugene McCarthy did. I have seen all 3 scenarios and would hate to see it happen again. However, he has been good pulling HRC to a left a bit. Bzl15
Those of us who support Bernie Sanders want something very particular out of this election; we want our incomes back and we want our political voice in Washington back. That is going to take more than simply electing a Democrat as president. It will take what Sanders calls "a political revolution." If Hillary Clinton is the Democratic candidate, most independent voters can be expected to return Republican majorities to both houses of Congress. If Mr. Sanders is the candidate, he will likely be juxtaposed against a very extreme right wing Republican. That carries with it the strong likelihood A Sanders when coupled with the Democrats gaining significantly in both houses of Congress. That is what is at stake.
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The New York Times once again sides with Wall Street and the status quo by bowing down to Hillary Clinton and power
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The Iowa caucus explains much about why Americans really just don't care very much about participating in the electoral process. Well, that's certainly true about Iowa's democrats and if their lethargy is characteristic of the nation's democrats, we're looking at a neo conservative president in November.
Iowa has ~2m eligible voters, of which ~584k are registered democrats and ~612k are registered republicans. Of that total,
~188k, considered a very high turnout, showed up to vote. That's <10% of the eligible.
But, a grand total of ~1400 registered democrats voted, or less than 1% of all registered democrats. Actually, according to the NYT footnote on the tabulation page, this number is inflated since it is estimated.
Compared to ~187k registered republicans who voted, or ~31% of all registered republicans. Even Rand Paul got ~6x the number of all the democratic votes.
So what are the lessons from this?
The obvious one is the democratic candidates do not excite the registered Iowa voters very much. If this level of turnout continues, the democrats would be wise to find another candidate who does.
Ben Franklin's comment that the founders had created a republic "if you (the citizen voters) can keep it" comes to mind. Right now, democratic citizen voters aren't interested enough to show up.
Iowa has ~2m eligible voters, of which ~584k are registered democrats and ~612k are registered republicans. Of that total,
~188k, considered a very high turnout, showed up to vote. That's <10% of the eligible.
But, a grand total of ~1400 registered democrats voted, or less than 1% of all registered democrats. Actually, according to the NYT footnote on the tabulation page, this number is inflated since it is estimated.
Compared to ~187k registered republicans who voted, or ~31% of all registered republicans. Even Rand Paul got ~6x the number of all the democratic votes.
So what are the lessons from this?
The obvious one is the democratic candidates do not excite the registered Iowa voters very much. If this level of turnout continues, the democrats would be wise to find another candidate who does.
Ben Franklin's comment that the founders had created a republic "if you (the citizen voters) can keep it" comes to mind. Right now, democratic citizen voters aren't interested enough to show up.
By writing "Mr. Sanders is all about heart." the Times continues to misunderstand (deliberately?) the Sanders campaign and those of us volunteering for him. Are we upset with the status quo? Absolutely. Do we have an intellectual frame to focus it through? Absolutely. Much of what happens in the halls of power is rigged for the 1% and for corporations. Together with Bernie, we are going to change that for the betterment of the 99%.
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With you all the way, Jeff, to the last sentence. "We are going to change that..." How?
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The work doesn't end when the votes are cast. If we get a Congress we can work with, the sky is the limit. If not, look to who Bernie nominates to lead agencies, to the Supreme Court, his executive orders. I can see President Sanders continuing to keep the pressure on through the mid-terms by rallying folks to elect a Congress who will get things done.
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Jeff, Please... "IF..." If is not a plan. Sky the limit? Ever heard of filibusters? Mid-terms? The history of mid-terms is of losses for the party of the POTUS--one big exception, Clinton's second mid-term.
Wishful thinking doesn't get things done. If I had wings, I'd fly to Ireland. But I'll make do with Aer Lingus.
Wishful thinking doesn't get things done. If I had wings, I'd fly to Ireland. But I'll make do with Aer Lingus.
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Iowa delivered two messages. The overwhelming white electorate, which should have been manna from heaven for Trump, turned up in higher numbers than usual to tell him to shut up. The enormous combined for vote Sanders and Hill means the right-win Tea Party turds are finished. It is time to start rebuilding our infrastructure and stop being the policeman of the world
Another insulting and condescending piece from the isolation chamber of the Times editorial suite. Validating the nearby oped. White people are hillbillies and racist morons. Republicans evil.
"Moving beyond Iowa" read your headline? YES PLEASE!!!
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Marco Rubio is my senator and before that a Florida State Representative. He voted for Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law making murder not a crime if the person doing the killing thinks s/he is in danger of physical harm (remember the Trayvon Martin case??). He's also in denial of climate change, while we in South Florida suffer frequent tidal floods.
He's a handsome man who can give a good speech but underneath that veneer, he's an opportunist and slacker open to the do what the highest bidder wants him to do.
I hope people don't fall for this phony. If so, we'll see a repeat of George W Bush, with Dick Cheney calling the shots. Fortunately, Dick Cheney's too old and ill to be his VP, but maybe Liz Cheney would be interested in the job.
He's a handsome man who can give a good speech but underneath that veneer, he's an opportunist and slacker open to the do what the highest bidder wants him to do.
I hope people don't fall for this phony. If so, we'll see a repeat of George W Bush, with Dick Cheney calling the shots. Fortunately, Dick Cheney's too old and ill to be his VP, but maybe Liz Cheney would be interested in the job.
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Marco Antonio Rubio is the new age Quayle/Palin. An immature ignorant smiling prancing pretty faced parrot and sponge who has been on the government employment welfare benefits dole all of his life. But Rubio has never been bravely patriotic nor honorable enough to ever serve in the American military nor humble and empathetic enough to ever serve in any human or civil rights organization. As a white man Rubio is no more a minority than was Desi Arnaz or is Fidel Castro and Pope Francis.
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Hear! Hear!
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I will call your Florida senator named Rubio, and raise you one of my New York former senators named Hillary.
If Rubio is a "phony," then Hillary is a consummate power-hungry liar.
Now what's a Dem to do?
If Rubio is a "phony," then Hillary is a consummate power-hungry liar.
Now what's a Dem to do?
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You report that Ms Clinton said: " “I don’t think we can wait for ideas that sound good on paper but can’t get through the gridlock”
I'm Ms. Clinton's age, but I'm far more impatient. If we don't act NOW on issues like income inequality, climate change, and overspending on defense my six grandchildren will not live in a nation as free and open-minded as the one Ms. Clinton and I experienced. Ms. Clinton's encouragement for our country to settle for less that we should because of "gridlock" is hardly cerebral. It reflects the attitude of her corporate donors and not the will of the voters.
I'm Ms. Clinton's age, but I'm far more impatient. If we don't act NOW on issues like income inequality, climate change, and overspending on defense my six grandchildren will not live in a nation as free and open-minded as the one Ms. Clinton and I experienced. Ms. Clinton's encouragement for our country to settle for less that we should because of "gridlock" is hardly cerebral. It reflects the attitude of her corporate donors and not the will of the voters.
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Such an anti-Trump article. No mention of the fact he polled more votes than any previous Republican candidate in the history of Iowa caucusing. No credit given for his involvement in the Republican primimaries having driven the turnout in Iowa to unprecedented levels.
Without Trump, the Times' nominee, John Kasich, would never have had the TV exposure to get his message across. As it was, that message - albeit delivered in a tone of decency - electrified barely 2% of Iowa Republicans.
Without Trump, the Times' nominee, John Kasich, would never have had the TV exposure to get his message across. As it was, that message - albeit delivered in a tone of decency - electrified barely 2% of Iowa Republicans.
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"it’s time to move beyond the emotional venting that has been broadly common to both parties"
That is a serious failure to understand what is happening. That emotion is not separate from the issues. It is the depth of feeling about the issues.
The emotion is about the real issues, the ones voters care about. We can't now turn back to the issues, as if they are something different.
Voters have all this emotion exactly because our politics has been turning away from what they actually care about to other issues, those other issues this suggests we now turn back to.
That is a serious failure to understand what is happening. That emotion is not separate from the issues. It is the depth of feeling about the issues.
The emotion is about the real issues, the ones voters care about. We can't now turn back to the issues, as if they are something different.
Voters have all this emotion exactly because our politics has been turning away from what they actually care about to other issues, those other issues this suggests we now turn back to.
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The Iowa caucases might be viewed as a much needed campaign corrective, nonetheless to expect that rest of the campaign would be focused on ideas and issues would be rather far fetched against the ground reality. So the voters have very limited choices to choose from.
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What happened to the NY Times? For years, they have been telling us that they support campaign finance reform, and oppose Citizens United. Now a candidate comes along who is entirely funded by small donations of individual Americans, and they do everything in their power to oppose him and support the candidate with the SuperPAC.
For years, the Times has been saying that financial institutions that are too big to fail are bad for the US, and that the mega-mergers of our major industries stifles competition and hurts the poor and middle class. Now a candidate comes along who might actually take action to break them up, and the Times opposes him and supports the candidate of Goldman Sachs.
The Times has said they want better health care, that single payer systems work well in all other developed nations. Now they tell us that it wouldn't be prudent, that we need to stop trying and be happy with the little we have.
They tell us that Bernie can't win black votes, but Hillary can. Bernie marched with Martin Luther King while Hillary was phone banking for Goldwater. Bill Clinton supported the increased incarceration of black males and the growth of the private prison system. Bernie opposes this. Bill and Hillary gave away American jobs with NAFTA, hurting black employment. But even Charles Blow propagandizes that Hillary is the better candidate for black voters.
America is the land of the possible. The establishment quashes hope and dreams with admonishments to be practical.
For years, the Times has been saying that financial institutions that are too big to fail are bad for the US, and that the mega-mergers of our major industries stifles competition and hurts the poor and middle class. Now a candidate comes along who might actually take action to break them up, and the Times opposes him and supports the candidate of Goldman Sachs.
The Times has said they want better health care, that single payer systems work well in all other developed nations. Now they tell us that it wouldn't be prudent, that we need to stop trying and be happy with the little we have.
They tell us that Bernie can't win black votes, but Hillary can. Bernie marched with Martin Luther King while Hillary was phone banking for Goldwater. Bill Clinton supported the increased incarceration of black males and the growth of the private prison system. Bernie opposes this. Bill and Hillary gave away American jobs with NAFTA, hurting black employment. But even Charles Blow propagandizes that Hillary is the better candidate for black voters.
America is the land of the possible. The establishment quashes hope and dreams with admonishments to be practical.
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Dream on, and then take the blame when you help to elect a GOP POTUS.
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HDNY -- "what happened to the Times" is that they and all the adults in the room see what will be required to actually change much: control of Congress. Elizabeth Warren sees it, that's why she's not running. It won't be fun at all being the next President. She has time to wait, and so can plan and function better. Bernie doesn't ... so he has a rational impatience that couples into the irrational impatience of his followers.
It is unaccountable to me that the NY Times didn't report it, but Pelosi and all the house Democrats basically told Bernie were he could put it -- they refuse to run for reelection on Bernie's tax plan. See here:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/267236-pelosi-distances-dems-from-sand...
REALITY is "the land of the possible." You want to make big changes? You need to get a strong Democratic majority in Congress. Where were all you Bernistas in 2010, 2012, 2014? Where were you in all the state elections that gave the Republicans the strong Gerrymander they now enjoy?
Listen to Phil Och's "Join the folk-song army" ... particularly "They won all the battles, but we won all the songs!"
It is unaccountable to me that the NY Times didn't report it, but Pelosi and all the house Democrats basically told Bernie were he could put it -- they refuse to run for reelection on Bernie's tax plan. See here:
http://thehill.com/homenews/house/267236-pelosi-distances-dems-from-sand...
REALITY is "the land of the possible." You want to make big changes? You need to get a strong Democratic majority in Congress. Where were all you Bernistas in 2010, 2012, 2014? Where were you in all the state elections that gave the Republicans the strong Gerrymander they now enjoy?
Listen to Phil Och's "Join the folk-song army" ... particularly "They won all the battles, but we won all the songs!"
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The NYT seems intent on dismissing Sanders as pie in the sky. What is wrong with your editorial board? You all are losing your relevance. You sound like a corporate obfuscation machine. What happened to journalism?
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“I don’t think we can wait for ideas that sound good on paper but can’t get through the gridlock”.
Energized by the NYT's endorsement Hillary emphasizes her experience and ability to work with Republicans to get things done. Unfortunately, this included cheerleading the catastrophic invasion of Iraq, grovelling before AIPAC and identifying Iran during a debate as her “No. 1 problem”: No, not Saudi Arabia and its spread of a pernicious brand of Islam responsible for every major terrorist act from 9/11 onwards, but Iran which is helping the U.S. (yet again) to fight Wahhabi forces, has just signed onto stifling controls of its nuclear programme and has initiated a period of Glasnost.
If undoing gridlock involves bowing to Neocon-Zionist causes she will only succeed in undoing all the good achieved by President Obama. If she wins I hope she doesn’t prove to be a Republican in disguise.
Energized by the NYT's endorsement Hillary emphasizes her experience and ability to work with Republicans to get things done. Unfortunately, this included cheerleading the catastrophic invasion of Iraq, grovelling before AIPAC and identifying Iran during a debate as her “No. 1 problem”: No, not Saudi Arabia and its spread of a pernicious brand of Islam responsible for every major terrorist act from 9/11 onwards, but Iran which is helping the U.S. (yet again) to fight Wahhabi forces, has just signed onto stifling controls of its nuclear programme and has initiated a period of Glasnost.
If undoing gridlock involves bowing to Neocon-Zionist causes she will only succeed in undoing all the good achieved by President Obama. If she wins I hope she doesn’t prove to be a Republican in disguise.
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Iowa, Schmiowa...move on to reality. The circus is almost over.
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Oh no it's not! This is a 10-reeler ... at least. It doesn't end until we see who is elected president and what they actually can do, and will do.
Key word, Lee. Circus. Reality begins to dawn.
This editorial showed it's hand when it claimed of Sanders: " his promises to “break up the banks,” regardless of whether that is remotely possible." That is the root of the NYT opposition to Sanders: the banks.
Inequality, Picketty, democracy all clamor to break up the banks. The banks are"too big to fail" and so they are a threat to our national security. They must be broken into smaller manageable companies as soon as possible. The majority of Americans think so but only one candidate is campaigning to protect capitalism and he is a Democratic Socialist.
Inequality, Picketty, democracy all clamor to break up the banks. The banks are"too big to fail" and so they are a threat to our national security. They must be broken into smaller manageable companies as soon as possible. The majority of Americans think so but only one candidate is campaigning to protect capitalism and he is a Democratic Socialist.
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As a matter of fact these 'too large to fail banks' can only be brought to their knees if they would be forced to go back to the good old banking system they used to have, e.g. in the borrowing money to their customers, and instead of people having to store their extra cash under the mattress, keeping it safe in accounts that pay some interest.
Our big to fail banks have become investment banks, playing roulette with their customer's money, as the last Great Recession proved.
But with as long as Democrats do not have a majority in the House and a filibuster proof one in the Senate, that idea is indeed a pipe dream and can't be achieved.
Our big to fail banks have become investment banks, playing roulette with their customer's money, as the last Great Recession proved.
But with as long as Democrats do not have a majority in the House and a filibuster proof one in the Senate, that idea is indeed a pipe dream and can't be achieved.
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Move beyond Iowa? Hang on, the UK Guardian (not the NYT, at least not yet) reports here … http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/feb/01/iowa-caucus-vote-liv...
that about 90 precincts in Iowa had no rep of the state Dem committee chairing the vote count & announcing the results – reported only proportionately, not the number of actual individual votes. In several of these precincts, the proportion couldn't be determined, maybe a tie, and a coin flip determined who got it all – in 6 precincts reported on by a Guardian reporter, all 6 coin flips were registered as HRC wins – now what are the odds on that happening?
Bernie is asking for the individual vote counts from all Iowa precincts, waiting for the actual numbers, not proportions, before deciding whether or not to challenge the end result. Starting to sound familiar? A bit like FL 2000, except in this case a Dem candidate appears to be on the short end of the stick manipulated by another Dem. Doesn't look at all good for HRC, unless she at once announces her strong, unequivocal support for Bernie's individual vote count request. The last thing the Clintons need is yet another strong whiff of scandal.
that about 90 precincts in Iowa had no rep of the state Dem committee chairing the vote count & announcing the results – reported only proportionately, not the number of actual individual votes. In several of these precincts, the proportion couldn't be determined, maybe a tie, and a coin flip determined who got it all – in 6 precincts reported on by a Guardian reporter, all 6 coin flips were registered as HRC wins – now what are the odds on that happening?
Bernie is asking for the individual vote counts from all Iowa precincts, waiting for the actual numbers, not proportions, before deciding whether or not to challenge the end result. Starting to sound familiar? A bit like FL 2000, except in this case a Dem candidate appears to be on the short end of the stick manipulated by another Dem. Doesn't look at all good for HRC, unless she at once announces her strong, unequivocal support for Bernie's individual vote count request. The last thing the Clintons need is yet another strong whiff of scandal.
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The odds of all six coin flips favoring Ms. Clinton are 1 in 64.
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I sympathize ... but it doesn't matter. For all practical purposes Hillary and Bernie tied in Iowa ... and this caucus doesn't elect the nominee, selects only a paltry number of delegates to the nominating convention.
It's all about spin so far.
One of the things that I was upset by is the political commentators claiming that one or the other needed to show "X." That was all balderdash other than the consequences of a big defeat either way.
To the extent that it is widely seen that Bernie has an uphill battle on his hands against Hillary in the south, Bernie would have liked to obtain a big "win" for the symbolism, but that is all it would have been, and it didn't happen. Arguing over a few delegates from Iowa is dumb and demeaning at this point.
It's all about spin so far.
One of the things that I was upset by is the political commentators claiming that one or the other needed to show "X." That was all balderdash other than the consequences of a big defeat either way.
To the extent that it is widely seen that Bernie has an uphill battle on his hands against Hillary in the south, Bernie would have liked to obtain a big "win" for the symbolism, but that is all it would have been, and it didn't happen. Arguing over a few delegates from Iowa is dumb and demeaning at this point.
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Unfortunately, the best media outlets in the country -- e.g. New York Times and NPR -- helped Trump "suck up the oxygen" and, as a reader of the Times for almost 40 years, I'd like to hear you take some responsibility. He needed YOUR help and you shamelessly published his photos and articles about his sibling rivalry with his brother. I hope the Times can do better going forward.
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Hillary's victory is a miracle. My daughter last night told me Hillary is a liar. I asked for an example. She said the emails. I disagreed and asked for another. She said Benghazi. The branding lies stick. They may have less importance as the campaign continues and we get into some states that are not all white. But praise Iowa, an all white state, for shutting Trump up. He could have hired every one of them to vote for him.
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I'd like to second that. I asked a long time ago what you people were doing writing 3-4 stories about him a day. He is a huckster, and as any snake oil salesman knows, even bad publicity is better than no publicity. You NYT people, and all other media outlets, helped create him, sustain him, expand him, as much as any of his supporters, Maureen Dowd being one of the worst, but certainly not the only one. He is just like the bully that wants attention, and you gave him way more than legitimate news judgement would warrant. What was that all about, really?
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You're probably right, that the media has bolstered Trump's campaign, but look at it this way: Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio are REALLY scary. If one of them gets the nomination and gets elected, believe me, everybody will be missing Donald Trump. Those two are establishment, far far right to the core and their ideas and intentions are straight from the cold, hard hearts of big money and corporations. Cruz's religious posturing is contrived and, frankly, obscene. One can only pray that Iowa is a false start.
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Rubio has ideas? You have got to be kidding! This ambitious young man is just salivating at the chance to get the big donor money from corporate interests and the fiercely pro-Israel Sheldon Adelson.
The reason donors love Rubio is that he's totally malleable. He will do what he's told and that includes an aggressive foreign policy based on Sending more troops to the Middle East. Frankly , he will do anything and bend himself like a pretzel to get ahead. Yes many candidates are guilty of this but Rubio is very blatant about it.
Fresh young face? Sure. Fresh new ideas? Absolutely not.
The reason donors love Rubio is that he's totally malleable. He will do what he's told and that includes an aggressive foreign policy based on Sending more troops to the Middle East. Frankly , he will do anything and bend himself like a pretzel to get ahead. Yes many candidates are guilty of this but Rubio is very blatant about it.
Fresh young face? Sure. Fresh new ideas? Absolutely not.
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These attacks on Rubio's experience constitute hypocrisy unless they also acknowledge the same degree of experience, or lack there of, when when Obama was elected. Obama has been just as much a malleable pawn of the power structure of the Democratic Party, such as the teachers and other unions, torts lawyers, banksters, etc.
The point is EVERYONE of these candidates is an establishment candidate who have been entrenched in the power structure of DC, their state or their local town (that's NYC for Trump) for decades. This includes Sander, a hack politician from Vermont crusading as a change agent.
The point is EVERYONE of these candidates is an establishment candidate who have been entrenched in the power structure of DC, their state or their local town (that's NYC for Trump) for decades. This includes Sander, a hack politician from Vermont crusading as a change agent.
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He is for sale to the highest bidder.
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Bingo. Rubio would eat a tarantula for donor money. Oh wait ... that was ...
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Cruz and Clinton make for the perfect entry for Jim Webb as an independent candidate. I hope he enters this week, or right after New Hampshire. The American people deserve it. Webb has a clear path to win the electoral college by taking the swath of states through the entire center of the nation and the Mountain West. Run, Jim, Run!
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hey how about jerry brown? or carol burnett?
Emotional venting? and Cruz isn't a bunch of hot air? Rubio too?
Interesting to see the NY Times Editorial Board fail to understand Americans again and again, in spite of all the commentary on offer at its own website. The parties don't represent the political values of the electorate. Neither of them. The electorate gets it with varying degrees of sophistication, from sadly little, to quite a bit. One thing most voters understand is that they didn't choose the candidates and they don't like them all that much. What they fail to understand is why they get the candidates they have.
Interesting to see the NY Times Editorial Board fail to understand Americans again and again, in spite of all the commentary on offer at its own website. The parties don't represent the political values of the electorate. Neither of them. The electorate gets it with varying degrees of sophistication, from sadly little, to quite a bit. One thing most voters understand is that they didn't choose the candidates and they don't like them all that much. What they fail to understand is why they get the candidates they have.
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Iowa is a joke of a state. It's about as unrepresentative of the US as a state could be. NH is second on this list. They are lily white and full of rednecks. As much as it pains me to say, SC is a more representative state.
These states beginning the process are a signifier of our broken system; maybe even more than big money.
Iowa is a joke of a state. It's about as unrepresentative of the US as a state could be. NH is second on this list. They are lily white and full of rednecks. As much as it pains me to say, SC is a more representative state.
These states beginning the process are a signifier of our broken system; maybe even more than big money.
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It is not the job of Iowa or New Hampshire to represent the entire nation. Our governmental system is a federal republic–not a mass democracy.
How did a state "full of rednecks" choose Obama in 2008? And this from a self-described "Prometheus" who resides––where, exactly, is Mt. Olympus?
How did a state "full of rednecks" choose Obama in 2008? And this from a self-described "Prometheus" who resides––where, exactly, is Mt. Olympus?
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Sorry I have read that Iowa is second and New Hampshire 3rd. If yesterday's vote had been held in California Hillary would be president. RFK shut down Eugene McCarthy in a similar situation. Promises mean nothing. No one can deliver.
In 2008, there was a huge backlash against the GOP because of the Bush wars and because of the disaster of the near-depression. Those factors were important in Iowa. McCain compounded that by choosing a nut like Palin, and by showing himself incapable of providing leadership in the face of financial melt-down-- he even managed to tick off David Letterman in the process of waffling about the pending disaster.
This time around, successful GOP propaganda has painted Obama as the source of every evil in the universe, and the resulting backlash will favor the GOP candidate.
This time around, successful GOP propaganda has painted Obama as the source of every evil in the universe, and the resulting backlash will favor the GOP candidate.
Monday's virtual tie (like virtually kissing your sister!) was, in reality, a tight win for Clinton. Now, here's what we should expect....
The Right (currently rejoicing) will increase it's stealth support for Bernie in two ways... First with money and bodies, and Second by cranking up the lies and exaggerations about Hillary....
If you saw Bernie's 'acceptance speech', his position on issues and Hillary's are not that far apart. Where the true gulf exists is in Hillary's ability to be effective....
The Right's strategy is similar to the one used to get Obama elected... but Obama, as ineffective (and hawkish) as he was had a much deeper coalition than Bernie will ever have...
Amazing ?? Unbelievable ?? Only if you believe in the HIGHLY unlikely....
The Right's war is not even just on Hillary... It's on democracy itself.... and look around.... they're winning... Ralph Nader should be proud...
The Right (currently rejoicing) will increase it's stealth support for Bernie in two ways... First with money and bodies, and Second by cranking up the lies and exaggerations about Hillary....
If you saw Bernie's 'acceptance speech', his position on issues and Hillary's are not that far apart. Where the true gulf exists is in Hillary's ability to be effective....
The Right's strategy is similar to the one used to get Obama elected... but Obama, as ineffective (and hawkish) as he was had a much deeper coalition than Bernie will ever have...
Amazing ?? Unbelievable ?? Only if you believe in the HIGHLY unlikely....
The Right's war is not even just on Hillary... It's on democracy itself.... and look around.... they're winning... Ralph Nader should be proud...
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Sanders will have a hard time staying alive after South Carolina and Nevada. If he does, fine, let's keep talking about where non-Republicans should do. Not a Democrat. Never voted for a Clinton.
Excellent comment. However, rather than just compare campaign strategies and resources, do factor in the anti-Bush backlash in Obama's win. The pendulum will swing the other way this year.
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The FBI is closing in on "lies about Hillary". Apparently they believe the most secret information about our government should have been safeguarded.
Was using her own email server a matter of convenience or a matter of stupidity?
Was using her own email server a matter of convenience or a matter of stupidity?
I cant imagine a Hilary Presidency, a populist who is paid by the banks but hates them, believes that business is bad for America but good for her pocketbook, who believes that regulation is good except if it involves her personal behavior and who is as much of a neocon warmonger as George Bush. I may just have to sit this one out.
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I don't think the GOP results are that meaningful.
About 4.6% separated first place Cruz from third place Rubio.
However about 25% of votes went to none of the top three.
Suppose hypothetically all but the top three dropped out.
To whom would these 25% of votes go.
25% is much greater than 4.6%
The order of finish of the top three might be different.
About 4.6% separated first place Cruz from third place Rubio.
However about 25% of votes went to none of the top three.
Suppose hypothetically all but the top three dropped out.
To whom would these 25% of votes go.
25% is much greater than 4.6%
The order of finish of the top three might be different.
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Moving beyond Iowa we still have the same cast of comic characters. On the Republican side we have, Moe (Cruz) obviously the leader but he's so mean, Larry (Trump) can't figure out how he got in the group and Oh that hair and Curly (Rubio) nice but too child-like for the job at hand. On the Democratic side we have Laurel (Sanders) everyone loves him but can he get that piano up that steep staircase and Hardy (Clinton) obviously the leader but Oh that extra weight. Add to this the polls and the media being so far off and we"ve gone from comedy to farce with no director at the helm.
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That extra weight is the dead from the Iraq War.
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The Times has, predictably, endorsed Hillary Clinton as the Democratic nominee. That endorsement has been evident even before the official editorial version by the Times tillted coverage or lack thereof for Senator Sanders positions. The Times major reason for the Clinton endorsement seems to be her "ability to get things done", her "pragmatic" approach in D.C. What's lacking of course is the Times explaining how as President, Mrs Clinton is going to "get things done" with a GOP-led Congress that's made an industry out of hating and attacking Clinton, on par with its obstruction of President Obama.
While overtly and subtly attacking Senator Sanders for not being practical or "experienced" (laughable given his 30 plus years in government at all levels vs.Mrs. Clinton's), the Times endorsement reveals how much it actually represents Eisenhower Republicanism at best, or Wall Street at least.
While overtly and subtly attacking Senator Sanders for not being practical or "experienced" (laughable given his 30 plus years in government at all levels vs.Mrs. Clinton's), the Times endorsement reveals how much it actually represents Eisenhower Republicanism at best, or Wall Street at least.
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If a Presidential campaign isn't a time to express hopes, aspirations, priorities and vision. If it isn't the time for candidates to articulate values and goals and define themselves to the American people then when is the time?
The cynical and absurd logic being deployed by the NY Times and establishment Democrats to lower expectations and embrace "reality" rather than yearn and demand better is perplexingly facile. It's also terrible campaign strategy.
Appealing to fear is the GOPs game. Suggesting Americans accept their lot and curb their enthusiasm is a loser's proposition.
The cynical and absurd logic being deployed by the NY Times and establishment Democrats to lower expectations and embrace "reality" rather than yearn and demand better is perplexingly facile. It's also terrible campaign strategy.
Appealing to fear is the GOPs game. Suggesting Americans accept their lot and curb their enthusiasm is a loser's proposition.
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Let's get real. Bernie and Hillary are not some disembodies heart and head -- what a silly thing to say. The NYTimes should not try to sound like Trump. Don't dumb down the news. Bernie and Hillary are coming at similar goals from different angles. They will need each other in the end, and should act that way. We need clear general goals and we need to get there step by step. Both Hillary and Bernie have been involved with both all their lives. Hillary has to be reminded that some of her policies are the result of too many compromises. Bernie has to be reminded that he has had to work the details pragmatically when he got things done. The banks and bankers have to be more seriously regulated. And dealing with the world requires deep knowledge and persistent daily grinding away at the bad guys. The two should be building each other up. There are serious issues to deal with and the Republicans are not willing to engage them seriously. It is up to Bernie and Hillary to show the way, together.
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I see many commenters bashing Hillary and praising Bernie.
I think Bernie is fantastic. He's what our country truly needs at this time in so many ways. If he wins the nomination, he has my vote.
However....
If Hillary is our nominee, I will walk into the voting both and gladly pull the lever for her.
Ladies and gentlemen (who do not like Hillary and have, in some cases, said they'd abstain altogether from voting should she win the nomination): have you *seen* the alternatives? Can you imagine - really, truly imagine - waking up on 11/9/16 to President-Elect Cruz, Trump or Rubio? Your worst nightmare? You have no idea.
Ponder that. And then decide.
I think Bernie is fantastic. He's what our country truly needs at this time in so many ways. If he wins the nomination, he has my vote.
However....
If Hillary is our nominee, I will walk into the voting both and gladly pull the lever for her.
Ladies and gentlemen (who do not like Hillary and have, in some cases, said they'd abstain altogether from voting should she win the nomination): have you *seen* the alternatives? Can you imagine - really, truly imagine - waking up on 11/9/16 to President-Elect Cruz, Trump or Rubio? Your worst nightmare? You have no idea.
Ponder that. And then decide.
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I think a few years in the wilderness would be good for the Democratic Party. It needs to decide whether it wants to stay with its mainstream, or be the party of BLM, microaggressions, and defending the right of a boy to shower in the girl's locker room. If the Republicans win in November, I expect some ... interesting interplay in the minority.
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Frankly I will not under any circumstances vote for Hilary Clinton for POTUS.
I am done with the lesser of two evils politics. I have seen the alternative and economicly the are just like Hilary. They are all in the bag of the international corporations, the plutocrats and the oligarchs. They are all including Hilary bought and paid for.
So at 67 I will continue to support Berinie Sanders and if he fails to get the nomination I will vote for the Green Party Candidate Jill Stein.
I am not registered Democrat or Republican I am an independent voter. I will stand on principle not expediency if we are to be ruled by the corporations and oligarchy. It will not be with my vote.
I am done with the lesser of two evils politics. I have seen the alternative and economicly the are just like Hilary. They are all in the bag of the international corporations, the plutocrats and the oligarchs. They are all including Hilary bought and paid for.
So at 67 I will continue to support Berinie Sanders and if he fails to get the nomination I will vote for the Green Party Candidate Jill Stein.
I am not registered Democrat or Republican I am an independent voter. I will stand on principle not expediency if we are to be ruled by the corporations and oligarchy. It will not be with my vote.
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I have pondered that. For those of us who are victims of the ridiculous and fraudulent Electoral College game, living in a very RED state like Texas, the ONLY time my presidential vote actually counts is in the primaries. So no, I can't imagine any of those 3 Republicans as president and I will not be voting for them if they are the nominee. If Bernie is the nominee, I will pull the lever out of principle, but whether I abstain or pull the lever for the other party makes no difference, so why should I waste my time? Until there is voting reform at all levels (campaign finance, restoring popular vote, eliminating gerrymandering), it's all a big lie anyway.
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While the GOP race has been a huffing, puffing, parade of venting and anger, that is certainly not the case on the Democratic side.
And of course it's "remotely possible" to break up the big banks. Don't be quite so ridiculously biased towards Wall Street.
There was a time when people subscribed to The Times for "all the news that's fit to print" and the Wall Street Journal for political posturing around economic and market news. Most Times subscribers just skipped the WSJ editorial page when the Tums supply ran low.
Bernie Sanders won a great victory. He was 30 points down a few short weeks ago. He has the fresh ideas, and the plans and how to pay for them. All that's needed is for people, which could be helped by the media, to truly revolutionize how we live and work in the United States.
Wall Street produces nothing.
And of course it's "remotely possible" to break up the big banks. Don't be quite so ridiculously biased towards Wall Street.
There was a time when people subscribed to The Times for "all the news that's fit to print" and the Wall Street Journal for political posturing around economic and market news. Most Times subscribers just skipped the WSJ editorial page when the Tums supply ran low.
Bernie Sanders won a great victory. He was 30 points down a few short weeks ago. He has the fresh ideas, and the plans and how to pay for them. All that's needed is for people, which could be helped by the media, to truly revolutionize how we live and work in the United States.
Wall Street produces nothing.
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Trump was fun but it is time now for the serious candidates to get on with the issues.
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You mean Rubio and Cruz are serious. You can't be serious.
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Yes, but none of the rest of the people in that clown bus are serious people. It is all clowns.
Which one of them could possibly be an Eisenhower or a Reagan? Even a Nixon? They don't even measure up to the personal sincerity and character of Goldwater.
Which one of them could possibly be an Eisenhower or a Reagan? Even a Nixon? They don't even measure up to the personal sincerity and character of Goldwater.
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That Hillary had such a strong showing in Iowa does not bode well for Bernie. Revolution is appealing, but usually only to a small, motivated group. Fittingly, then B clobbered H in the 18-29 demographic and in college towns. But it is not enough. Clinton will be the nominee. On the Republican side, Rubio is making his move. Though he is just as odious as Cruz, he is more appealing personally; Cruz cannot hide from the truth that nearly every person who knows him, dislikes him; plus he's done nothing as Senator but cost the country money. Trump and Cruz will fade, Rubio will rise. Clinton v Rubio in the end.
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And no matter who wins it will be politics as usual and nothing will change. Rubio is the Right's doppleganger (inexperienced, young, "minority") to Obama, who I think was, at least, far more intelligent. The whole thing is depressing and pitiful and this time around, I have no illusions of CHANGE and I have lost all HOPE.
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We actually don't know how strong Hillary's showing was. It appears the Democrat powers-that-be couldn't be bothered to collect the votes in quite a few precincts. Hmmm.....wonder why....
Pretty sad that the first primary in the nation has been marred by fraud. It bodes poorly for the rest of the country.
Pretty sad that the first primary in the nation has been marred by fraud. It bodes poorly for the rest of the country.
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Are the young supporters of Sanders in it for the long grind. After helping to elect him twice they deserted Obama by partying or concerting or whatever they do in the Congressional elections of 2014. "He didn't keep his promises," they wailed, or they just got bored. If you want a peaceful revolution it takes commitment not just a moment of fun. Republicans control the Supreme Court, both Houses of Congress and 31 State governorships. That's why some of us fogies stay with Hillary who can get something out of what exists and protect what is essential.
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I was raised by my grandparents, both wonderful people born in 1896, a time that has disappeared. My grandfather had a saying that I've only really come to appreciate after raising a kid of my own: "Don't send a boy to do a man's work, but for God's sake don't send two!"
We desperately need the Bernistas to grow up -- to get the stick-to-it-iveness and patience to actually get a job done. I have real hopes for the twenty-somethings ... in due time they may get there. It's the 50-year-old Bernistas that sadden me.
Bernie himself has no time left -- this is is his last shot and he's going to take it. That makes sense, I don't begrudge him for it, and he's being a gentleman about it.
But those who think that electing Bernie would actually achieve what they want given the composition of Congress and the Supreme Court, are smoking bad dope. And they (and Bernie!) are not doing the work, or even acknowledging the work, that it will take to achieve what they want.
We desperately need the Bernistas to grow up -- to get the stick-to-it-iveness and patience to actually get a job done. I have real hopes for the twenty-somethings ... in due time they may get there. It's the 50-year-old Bernistas that sadden me.
Bernie himself has no time left -- this is is his last shot and he's going to take it. That makes sense, I don't begrudge him for it, and he's being a gentleman about it.
But those who think that electing Bernie would actually achieve what they want given the composition of Congress and the Supreme Court, are smoking bad dope. And they (and Bernie!) are not doing the work, or even acknowledging the work, that it will take to achieve what they want.
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I hope Cruz wins the nomination.....Both HIllary and Bernie will crush him in the first debate, even though, of course, God is on his side....Go Republicans, get that guy running.
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Sounds like what they said in 1980, that either Carter or Ted Kennedy would beat up on Reagan at the debates. Didn't work out as they expected.
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As one pundit said on TV last night, this has been a campaign without issues! That's what big money politics and GOP induced gridlock in Congress have wrought. So the Times wish for more clarity and substance is only that. The level of political misdirection based on the voter mix in IA, NH, SC, and NV is too great.
Iowa is a State where 90% of the people are white, and evangelicals rule on one side while progressives form a formidable base on the other. Take the extremely low number of voters, and you'll get a version of the Cruz (the Santorum successor) and Sanders (the Obama successor) result every time. Only HRC's organization kept Bernie from a bigger win. Next week, we'll be treated to a primary in NH - another largely white, progressive setting for the Dems, while the GOP base there typically favors a moderate conservative. So a Sander - Christie/Kasich result.
The strangeness of the political system traveling show gets murky after next week, when the pols will move on to South Carolina and Nevada. Dems in a solid south Red State where they're in a severe minority, and the GOP with another God contest, in an ultra conservative forum. Nevada - another small State with few voters making big decisions.
Four States into this process, there are no primaries in a battleground State. Dem candidates will have been subjected to ultra liberal environments in 2 of 4 contests, and GOP candidates to ultra conservative, God oriented States in 3 of 4. It's beyond reason.
Iowa is a State where 90% of the people are white, and evangelicals rule on one side while progressives form a formidable base on the other. Take the extremely low number of voters, and you'll get a version of the Cruz (the Santorum successor) and Sanders (the Obama successor) result every time. Only HRC's organization kept Bernie from a bigger win. Next week, we'll be treated to a primary in NH - another largely white, progressive setting for the Dems, while the GOP base there typically favors a moderate conservative. So a Sander - Christie/Kasich result.
The strangeness of the political system traveling show gets murky after next week, when the pols will move on to South Carolina and Nevada. Dems in a solid south Red State where they're in a severe minority, and the GOP with another God contest, in an ultra conservative forum. Nevada - another small State with few voters making big decisions.
Four States into this process, there are no primaries in a battleground State. Dem candidates will have been subjected to ultra liberal environments in 2 of 4 contests, and GOP candidates to ultra conservative, God oriented States in 3 of 4. It's beyond reason.
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Beyond reason or not, it's the reality of the US today.
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If our POTUS hopefuls were Odysseus...
Clinton--steering a course toward Charybdis and Scylla unsure which to avoid
Trump--the cyclops who wants everything for himself but gets nothing
Cruz--offering passengers the cattle of the sun god
Sanders--building a new boat so everyone crosses safely.
Sanders is the only candidate willing to change the narrative for the better.
Clinton--steering a course toward Charybdis and Scylla unsure which to avoid
Trump--the cyclops who wants everything for himself but gets nothing
Cruz--offering passengers the cattle of the sun god
Sanders--building a new boat so everyone crosses safely.
Sanders is the only candidate willing to change the narrative for the better.
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James: "narrative" butters no parsnips. I want a Dem POTUS, not a moral victory for a defeated senator from a tiny state.
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Senator Rafael Cruz milked his winning speech effectively, hitting all disjointed talking points, throwing everything at the wall, and yes even his father. The one thing about Senator Cruz is that he loves to spin out whoppers on a consistent basis, the bigger, the better. Immigration? He was against it before he was for it, but he became for it to be against it. Got that?
The current spin is about his father, Rafael Cruz's immigration. When Mr. Cruz senior arrived in America, he immediately received food stamps, housing, training and education, plus a stipend. A program that still exists for chiefly Cubans but not Mexicans. So while it is possible Cruz senior emigrated from Cuba with only $100 in his underwear, given the largesse he received upon his arrival, he probably put that money into a bank account alongside his government stipend.
The NYT has noted these glaring inconsistencies see link below, in the Cruz hagiography. Let us get Senator Cruz to illuminate how the Senator, the ultimate beneficiary of such immigration largesse, is not willing to extend the same to others. If Senator Cruz wants to keep using his father's questionable history as a prop, then by all means let us illuminate this cipher within a dichotomy wrapped up in a pastrami sandwich now called a burrito by "Ted" Cruz.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/politics/cuban-peers-dispute-ted-cr...
The current spin is about his father, Rafael Cruz's immigration. When Mr. Cruz senior arrived in America, he immediately received food stamps, housing, training and education, plus a stipend. A program that still exists for chiefly Cubans but not Mexicans. So while it is possible Cruz senior emigrated from Cuba with only $100 in his underwear, given the largesse he received upon his arrival, he probably put that money into a bank account alongside his government stipend.
The NYT has noted these glaring inconsistencies see link below, in the Cruz hagiography. Let us get Senator Cruz to illuminate how the Senator, the ultimate beneficiary of such immigration largesse, is not willing to extend the same to others. If Senator Cruz wants to keep using his father's questionable history as a prop, then by all means let us illuminate this cipher within a dichotomy wrapped up in a pastrami sandwich now called a burrito by "Ted" Cruz.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/11/10/us/politics/cuban-peers-dispute-ted-cr...
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zDude: so anyone who has received federal money is thereafter either a Democrat or a traitor? Nice!
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No, not all. The point being is Cruz's father was not a freedom fighter in Cuba, nor was he bootstrap sort of guy, he was a welfare queen from inception. However, Ted Cruz insists on spouting about a legend that never existed, and he ignores the fact it was under a President's Executive Order that allowed his father to receive welfare and a Green Card in less than a year. Ultimately, only Cubans are privy to this ongoing immigration program.
Feeling the Bern Hillary? You oughta, you're caught in a ring of fire of your own making. Bern, Bern, Bern, that ring of fire, ring of fire.
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Clinton vs Rubio.
Write it down.
Clinton selects a southern, conservative for VP (does one even exist anymore?); Rubio a northern moderate - perhaps John Kasich.
Write it down.
If Rubio selects Kasich, putting Florida AND Ohio in GOP column, Clinton has NO margin for electoral vote errors. Her path to victory will be distinct and non-negotiable.
Write it down.
Questions looming will include:
1) Can Rubio make ANY significant inroads into Clinton's strong Hispanic support? He once supported sensible immigration reform, now...not so much.
2) Can Clinton hold every Obama state and change ANY red states to blue?
3) How much money will be raised and spent by super-PACs to run more negative ads than every other presidential race combined? Hillary's emails...Rubio's history, inexperience, flip-flops on immigration.
Bottom line: Buckle your seat belts...there's quite a bit of turbulence ahead.
Write it down!
Write it down.
Clinton selects a southern, conservative for VP (does one even exist anymore?); Rubio a northern moderate - perhaps John Kasich.
Write it down.
If Rubio selects Kasich, putting Florida AND Ohio in GOP column, Clinton has NO margin for electoral vote errors. Her path to victory will be distinct and non-negotiable.
Write it down.
Questions looming will include:
1) Can Rubio make ANY significant inroads into Clinton's strong Hispanic support? He once supported sensible immigration reform, now...not so much.
2) Can Clinton hold every Obama state and change ANY red states to blue?
3) How much money will be raised and spent by super-PACs to run more negative ads than every other presidential race combined? Hillary's emails...Rubio's history, inexperience, flip-flops on immigration.
Bottom line: Buckle your seat belts...there's quite a bit of turbulence ahead.
Write it down!
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Rubio is not the only flip-flopper. Consider Clinton's flip-flops on DOMA, gay rights, Iraq war, TPP, Wall street regulation, etc., etc. She is the least appealing Democratic candidate in my lifetime. Some Democratic voters may hold their nose and vote for her regardless, but many will stay home. She will lose in a landslide.
"she has detailed ideas and the ability to make them happen. “I don’t think we can wait for ideas that sound good on paper but can’t get through the gridlock” in Washington, she said, in her most pointed but still oblique attack on Mr. Sanders."
Ah--I get it: pragmatic Hillary has the ability to make them happen, just as she successfully got a Democratic congress to pass her healthcare reform in 1993/94, unlike the naive idealist, Sanders.
Ah--I get it: pragmatic Hillary has the ability to make them happen, just as she successfully got a Democratic congress to pass her healthcare reform in 1993/94, unlike the naive idealist, Sanders.
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That is certainly what the editorial board is trying to imply:
Clinton, pragmatist who will get things done
Sanders, somewhat irresponsible dreamer.
The fact that Clinton will face a congress with at least one house controlled by Republicans who hate her, whereas Sanders has worked with both parties for years, seems to escape the board.
Clinton, pragmatist who will get things done
Sanders, somewhat irresponsible dreamer.
The fact that Clinton will face a congress with at least one house controlled by Republicans who hate her, whereas Sanders has worked with both parties for years, seems to escape the board.
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So, how are y'all gonna take it when Bernie has to compromise with that Republican Congress in order to make things happen.
You think he's going to get single-payer health care past a Congress controlled by Ryan and McConnell? How so? What's the path - please explain.
You think he's going to get single-payer health care past a Congress controlled by Ryan and McConnell? How so? What's the path - please explain.
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It's amusing that Mrs. Clinton thinks that only she can "get through the gridlock" in Washington when it was her husband's presidency that sent the country headlong into gridlock a generation ago. To be sure, Republicans have at least as much responsibility for the seeming inability of either party to work across the aisle anymore, but her premise that Republican majorities in both the House and Senate are going to be eager to work with her is pure fiction. Is she not aware that there are plenty of GOP members who would vote to have both her and her husband thrown into prison if they could have an up and down vote on the matter?
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"Head v. heart" is a bad analogy intended to undermine the serious policy positions staked out by Sanders campaign.
The Old York Times by dismissing policies calling for the of breaking up banks, is allying with a dangerous status quo, even though Nobel prize winners have supported this same position. Did the Times undermine Teddy Roosevelt's ridiculous ideas about trust busting?
If everything were fine in America and banks we an integral part of a booming American economy, I could understand dismissing significant structural change, like those proposed by Sanders. Instead, we stand on the precipice of a zombie economy, with near zero interest rates, while the threat of deflation hangs like Damocles sword for nearly a decade. We are losing an entire generation to this post bank-collapse zombie economy, and worse, we are flirting with the total elimination of the American middle class and a reversion to a Latin American style economy.
Yet --- Sanders is crazy?
The status quo is crazier than Bernie Sanders, and most Americans know that, including Republicans, who are also flirting with an overthrow of their establishment. Broadly, most Americans agree that the status quo is dangerous. This being the case, I am continuously amazed by the corporate media's obliviousness and reflexive support of the status quo.
The Old York Times by dismissing policies calling for the of breaking up banks, is allying with a dangerous status quo, even though Nobel prize winners have supported this same position. Did the Times undermine Teddy Roosevelt's ridiculous ideas about trust busting?
If everything were fine in America and banks we an integral part of a booming American economy, I could understand dismissing significant structural change, like those proposed by Sanders. Instead, we stand on the precipice of a zombie economy, with near zero interest rates, while the threat of deflation hangs like Damocles sword for nearly a decade. We are losing an entire generation to this post bank-collapse zombie economy, and worse, we are flirting with the total elimination of the American middle class and a reversion to a Latin American style economy.
Yet --- Sanders is crazy?
The status quo is crazier than Bernie Sanders, and most Americans know that, including Republicans, who are also flirting with an overthrow of their establishment. Broadly, most Americans agree that the status quo is dangerous. This being the case, I am continuously amazed by the corporate media's obliviousness and reflexive support of the status quo.
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Another dishonest editorial.
"the emotional venting that has been broadly common to both parties"
"Mr. Sanders is all about heart."
It seems to me that there has been very little "emotional venting" by the Democrats, except Chelsea Clinton's desperate lying about the costs of single-payer health care and her mother's equally dishonest defense of same.
As to head and heart, isn't resorting to lying more about a guilty heart than a clear head? And isn't laying out the facts of the fraud committed by the banks and the for-profit medical industry more about truly appealing to people's common sense--the head?
I hope, now that the caucus voters of Iowa have shown themselves open to the well-reasoned and fact-based appeal of Sanders' campaign, that the Times might starts telling the truth about the Clinton and Sanders campaigns.
"the emotional venting that has been broadly common to both parties"
"Mr. Sanders is all about heart."
It seems to me that there has been very little "emotional venting" by the Democrats, except Chelsea Clinton's desperate lying about the costs of single-payer health care and her mother's equally dishonest defense of same.
As to head and heart, isn't resorting to lying more about a guilty heart than a clear head? And isn't laying out the facts of the fraud committed by the banks and the for-profit medical industry more about truly appealing to people's common sense--the head?
I hope, now that the caucus voters of Iowa have shown themselves open to the well-reasoned and fact-based appeal of Sanders' campaign, that the Times might starts telling the truth about the Clinton and Sanders campaigns.
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No such luck. The times stands on the burning deck of the Clinton campaign from which all but ze has fled.
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Facts appear not to matter in the ongoing false narrative of "Hillary is more experienced and practical." Let's review: Bernie served as mayor of Burlington for nine years, and has been in Congress as a rep and Senator for 24 years. Hillary served as Senator for 8 years, and Secretary of State for four. By my math, Bernie's 33 years of elected office is greater than Hillary's 12, (four of which were appointed, not elected, but certainly count as relevant experience. But being First Lady doesn't count.)
With greater experience come greater accomplishments, at least in this case. Sanders has crafted more legislation, worked in more compromise situations, negotiated, sat in committee meetings, etc. etc. He hasn't just been filibustering the whole time, although it was beautiful when he did.
Now, neither of these folks, if elected, is likely to meet a Republican Congress eager to compromise. But please stop telling me that Hillary is more practical and experienced because she's more ready to compromise principles from the get-go.
That's not practicality, that's trying to win by strategizing where the middle is. Bernie don't play that game.
On to New Hampshire, and may experience win!
With greater experience come greater accomplishments, at least in this case. Sanders has crafted more legislation, worked in more compromise situations, negotiated, sat in committee meetings, etc. etc. He hasn't just been filibustering the whole time, although it was beautiful when he did.
Now, neither of these folks, if elected, is likely to meet a Republican Congress eager to compromise. But please stop telling me that Hillary is more practical and experienced because she's more ready to compromise principles from the get-go.
That's not practicality, that's trying to win by strategizing where the middle is. Bernie don't play that game.
On to New Hampshire, and may experience win!
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I've been going back and forth between Sanders and Clinton. I really like what Sanders stands for: single payer healthcare, mandatory vacation time, free tuition for state and community colleges - I lived in Europe more than half my life so I appreciate the benefits of a more equitable and just society. But I also like Clinton's experience on the world stage, her dominance of foreign policy will be pivotal in the years to come given the ever more complex world we're living in. Moreover, Clinton is extremely sharp and tough as nails and I admire her quick grasp of the issues. So is it Sanders or Clinton? Probably Clinton. Why? Well frankly, I've been turned off by the vitriol and vile coming from Sanders supporters towards Clinton. One thing is to be passionate about your candidate, another is to be irresponsible and state you'll sit this election out if Sanders doesn't get the Democratic nomination. In other words, you are willing to hand over the Presidency to a Republican (every one of whom is a whacko in my book) because you didn't get their way? How unpatriotic, immature and plain stupid. Face it, nothing would make the Republicans happier than to have Bernie Sanders as the Democratic Presidential candidate; it would be McGovern redux. I think Sanders is making Clinton a better candidate and forcing her to address issues important to the left. And if she wins she needs to include him in her cabinet. But please, stop with the hate-it will get us no where.
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You set yourself up as mediator, but in point of fact you clearly have long favored Hillary as you cannot bear to say a favorable word about Senator Sanders.
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Strange. I see the hate mail coming from the Clinton camp. We probably both suffer a bit of confirmation bias. But why would your vote depend on the civility of some blog comments?
"Senator Ted Cruz of Texas,....... ran his usual meanspirited attacks on just about everybody." Ahh c'mon. It was Trump who injected meanspirit into the race; Cruz had to respond in kind. And Cruz has expanded on many ideas; none of which the Times editors favor - that's why - in their view - he has "no ideas."
And apparently the editors missed Sanders' and HRC's ever more biting attacks on each other; wanna bet the gloves are off for Clinton's team? Until now Bernie was a joke - now she will go to war. Wait and see how this gets very nasty.
And apparently the editors missed Sanders' and HRC's ever more biting attacks on each other; wanna bet the gloves are off for Clinton's team? Until now Bernie was a joke - now she will go to war. Wait and see how this gets very nasty.
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The main stream media might have to change its bias.
Hillary has a triumphant victory win at 50%. Bernie is a disappointment at 50%.
Hillary has a triumphant victory win at 50%. Bernie is a disappointment at 50%.
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Second best speech of the night was Donald Trump's concession speech. He was gracious and almost presidential. The best speech was Bernie Sanders. The man was on fire.
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Dozens of media pundits and Beltway columnists commented about Donald Trump's "brilliant strategic move" in skipping the last Republican debate.
After Iowa, apparently not so brilliant.
After Iowa, apparently not so brilliant.
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He who did sell the lion's skin, while the beast lived, was killed with hunting't. Let's talk after South Carolina.
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The more the 'Fair and Balanced' NYT Board tries to discredit Bernie Sanders that more I know he is right. No more corrupt politics funded by billionaires.
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NYT falls in line with the neoconservative donors' picks: Marco Rubio & Hillary Clinton.
By telling us Bernie Sander's ideas are pipe dreams you are not going to dissuade a single Bernie voter. At least in Iowa the democrats have shown they aren't really that crazy about Hillary.
By telling us Bernie Sander's ideas are pipe dreams you are not going to dissuade a single Bernie voter. At least in Iowa the democrats have shown they aren't really that crazy about Hillary.
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Looks like Palin's "endorsement" was the political kiss of death.
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David: make judgments after an actual primary, please.
Wow. It's 1:29 and time for bed here in NY. I am astounded at the Clinton/Sanders numbers so far. In some ways, this is a victory for Bernie and if I were Hillary, I'd take notice because Democrats are telling her something. Yes, she is a heroine on a certain level - what a survivor - but a very sane portion of this country has heard Sanders and responded, given his numbers in Iowa. President Hillary? Maybe. As the great philosopher, Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over till it's over." As far as the GOP, let's hope an aspect of it is flushed down the toilet, where it belongs; as a party, it's bankrupt, it sold it's soul to the devil and deserves to get the boot. It too should listen to Bernie's supporters and maybe, sanity will prevail there too.
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Establishment Clinton v. Revolutionist Sanders?
Establishment Bush v. Revolutionist Trump?
Who thought the day would come I would say this; the Republicans have realized that politicians don't work for them. So they choose Trump, Carson, or Cruz.
I may not like all their positions but this ONE thing they got right!!
Establishment Bush v. Revolutionist Trump?
Who thought the day would come I would say this; the Republicans have realized that politicians don't work for them. So they choose Trump, Carson, or Cruz.
I may not like all their positions but this ONE thing they got right!!
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It's being reported that Hillary is breathing a big sigh of relief for her "victory" in Iowa. Well. I guess she is relieved she wasn't crushed completely and utterly in the first contest. She considers a tie as an unqualified victory.
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There you go again, Iowa Republicans. You now have selected a man reviled by his own Republican peers as a dangerous egomaniac. Guess you didn't know that or maybe you didn't care. In 2008 you selected Mike Huckabee with 35%, tonight you gave him 2%. Not a problem for you folks in Iowa.
What did Mr. Cruz have to promise you to get your vote? No more abortions, no more gay marriage, no more Obamacare. And he would kill Isis on his first day being President.
Sadly, you've been conned by a con artist, because in a democracy the majority, not the minority rules. And the majority are perfectly okay with abortion rights, gay marriage, and even, the most horrible of all medical insurance for all.
What did Mr. Cruz have to promise you to get your vote? No more abortions, no more gay marriage, no more Obamacare. And he would kill Isis on his first day being President.
Sadly, you've been conned by a con artist, because in a democracy the majority, not the minority rules. And the majority are perfectly okay with abortion rights, gay marriage, and even, the most horrible of all medical insurance for all.
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I don't know how this campaign season thus far could be more substantive then what we have already seen. The stark difference between the democrats on one side and the Republicans on the other could not be more starkly and clearly drawn. Its like the difference between being Democrats on the outside of an asylum and debating how to make life better on the inside or being any of the Republican candidates as an inmate on the inside of the asylum and tying to destroy everything in it.
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I was hoping for a win for Sanders but I suppose a tie is not so bad. Why people think Hillary is a good candidate is beyond me. She has consistently made the worst decisions possible from voting for the Iraq war to poor judgment with personal email use to campaigning. I mean at least appeal to your base in good faith instead of pushing this "coronation" stuff. The US was founded as democracy. No coronations here. The sense of entitlement and gall to say she should not have any competition really turned me off. I don't like you Hillary. A vote for her is a vote for a Republican in office next year.
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From your piece's front page: "After a year of venting and anger, voters can only hope that after Iowa the presidential campaign will move toward issues and ideas."
Do you think the NYTimes election "news" and "opinio"n could radically change that way -- to upgrade from Trump and horserace fluff to issues and ideas?
Do you think the NYTimes election "news" and "opinio"n could radically change that way -- to upgrade from Trump and horserace fluff to issues and ideas?
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If the Democrats win the White House, you can be sure that the Republicans will continue the same tactics that they used against Obama and allow nothing to get through Congress.
So does it really matter if we elect someone who wants top to bottom change, like Bernie Sanders. or someone who will continue the status quo, like Clinton?
Of course, if the Democrats can also win back the House and Senate, then it will matter, and we should go for broke and elect Sanders.
So does it really matter if we elect someone who wants top to bottom change, like Bernie Sanders. or someone who will continue the status quo, like Clinton?
Of course, if the Democrats can also win back the House and Senate, then it will matter, and we should go for broke and elect Sanders.
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Oh, c'mon, NYT! At least be honest enough to admit that you love the acrimony and nasty stuff. It's all you write about. It sells newspapers.
That's why you spent so much time covering Trump to the exclusion of all others. If they suddenly switch to ideas and policy, you won't even cover it. You haven't so far.
When the books are written about the 2016 elections, my guess is the media will come in for some really ugly comments about shallow and incomplete coverage.
You endorsements? Guess the folks in Iowa just don't read the NYT.
That's why you spent so much time covering Trump to the exclusion of all others. If they suddenly switch to ideas and policy, you won't even cover it. You haven't so far.
When the books are written about the 2016 elections, my guess is the media will come in for some really ugly comments about shallow and incomplete coverage.
You endorsements? Guess the folks in Iowa just don't read the NYT.
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Mr. "I am a winner and everyone else is a loser" Trump just got "shlonged."
He famously quoted the adage that "nobody remembers who came in second."
How about a super-size portion of crow, Donald? How do you like yours prepared, baked, broiled, or sautéed?
He famously quoted the adage that "nobody remembers who came in second."
How about a super-size portion of crow, Donald? How do you like yours prepared, baked, broiled, or sautéed?
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I notice from the Times's own charts that in Iowa Bernie beats Hillary among college graduates and also in densely populated areas. He even ties Clinton among 'higher income' voters.
Now isn't this the demographic that the Times itself should be speaking too? Doesn't the Times wonder why its own readers prefer Sanders?
Please, NYT, interrogate yourselves. Instead of trying to force your preconceptions, listen to what your readers are telling you.
Now isn't this the demographic that the Times itself should be speaking too? Doesn't the Times wonder why its own readers prefer Sanders?
Please, NYT, interrogate yourselves. Instead of trying to force your preconceptions, listen to what your readers are telling you.
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Detailed ideas? As far as I can see, her main idea is to maintain the status quo. What would a fight for women's rights look like? Is wage equality an issue that Washington can do anything about? Her idea about Obama Care is to protect it. Grand. But, her maintenance of the status quo would be a real failure domestically with the middle class contracting--a real threat to any democracy. On foreign affairs, it would be a disaster. Like the New York Times, she hasn't seen a war she didn't like. We would continue throwing billions of dollars while killing thousands of individuals without anything to show for it from a real national security perspective. We can and must do better than the status quo.
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I wish everyone would calm down. We learned a little today, but not very much in the overall scheme of things. Here's what I noted:
1) Donald Trump did not meet his own (very vocal) expectations
2) Marco Rubio did somewhat better than expected
3) Ted Cruz "won" in Iowa, but there was nothing resembling a mandate
4) Bernie Sanders managed to match Hillary Clinton (with a tiny turnout)
What does any of that mean heading to New Hampshire? Not bleeping much. Yes, we'll learn a bit more once the NH results are in, and people in many different arenas will pontificate Ad Infinitum on "What It All Means," but I've been following this stuff since the 1960 election; trust me, we don't know anything yet.
1) Donald Trump did not meet his own (very vocal) expectations
2) Marco Rubio did somewhat better than expected
3) Ted Cruz "won" in Iowa, but there was nothing resembling a mandate
4) Bernie Sanders managed to match Hillary Clinton (with a tiny turnout)
What does any of that mean heading to New Hampshire? Not bleeping much. Yes, we'll learn a bit more once the NH results are in, and people in many different arenas will pontificate Ad Infinitum on "What It All Means," but I've been following this stuff since the 1960 election; trust me, we don't know anything yet.
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The times, if not The Times, are a'changing.
Go Bernie.
Go Bernie.
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Hillary says she won.
However, with 95% of the vote in, she is leading by 49.8% to 49.5% over Bernie Sanders, a rip roaring THREE (3) delegate equivalents out of over 1300 decided so far. Big win, Hillary. You were SUPPOSED to CRUSH the opposition. Did NOT happen.
Talk about presumptuousness.
Feel the Bern. Sanders in 2016.
However, with 95% of the vote in, she is leading by 49.8% to 49.5% over Bernie Sanders, a rip roaring THREE (3) delegate equivalents out of over 1300 decided so far. Big win, Hillary. You were SUPPOSED to CRUSH the opposition. Did NOT happen.
Talk about presumptuousness.
Feel the Bern. Sanders in 2016.
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Fighting twin headwinds of blatant MSM bias and Hillary's Wall Street SuperPac millions, Bernie still manages a dead heat tie. This is nothing short of a victory for Sanders.
Bernie's got the Big Mo.
Bernie's got the Big Mo.
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This is a huge defeat for Clinton.
She was supposed to be the anointed one, this election was to be more of a coronation than real choice. Experience, connections, money, how could she lose?
One tiny little thing she doesn't have, that is apparently a big deal with voters - Integrity.
She was supposed to be the anointed one, this election was to be more of a coronation than real choice. Experience, connections, money, how could she lose?
One tiny little thing she doesn't have, that is apparently a big deal with voters - Integrity.
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Bernie fought Clinton to a virtual tie despite the active opposition of the entire corporate media and virtually the entirety of the Democratic Party officialdom.
If the New York Times has a shred of commitment to principled journalism in the service of an informed citizenry it will start reporting honestly on what Senator Sanders actually stands for and on the extent of Secretary Clinton's corrupt dependence on Wall Street money, not just for her campaign, but for the Clinton Foundation, the Clinton Global Initiative, and of course her own personal wealth.
I won't be holding my breath.
If the New York Times has a shred of commitment to principled journalism in the service of an informed citizenry it will start reporting honestly on what Senator Sanders actually stands for and on the extent of Secretary Clinton's corrupt dependence on Wall Street money, not just for her campaign, but for the Clinton Foundation, the Clinton Global Initiative, and of course her own personal wealth.
I won't be holding my breath.
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This is going to be one heck of an election year. Pollsters and experts have no more idea than I do what's going to happen. Congratulations to Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders for keeping their campaigns civil and informative. Too bad we can't say the same for their multi-teired opposition. We all need to keep our heads and remember that WE must vote only for socially conscious democrats and independents who will represent 99% of us. We must remember that OUR great country deserves a government with no religious interference, a socially conscious Supreme Court and a Government controlled by average Americans - not the wealthiest who would be kings if we let them. It's Up To US!
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Bernie Sanders sometimes calls himself a democratic socialist.
Israel is not a country that is popular today among democratic socialists.
They frequently can be found in Europe among groups that are notoriously antagonistic to Israel and supportive of Israel’s most bitter and determined enemies.
In the U.S., they constitute a significant portion of Israel’s harshest critics on social media.
Supporters of Israel should pause long and hard before casting their ballot for anyone sharing present-day democratic socialist values concerning Israel.
Israel is not a country that is popular today among democratic socialists.
They frequently can be found in Europe among groups that are notoriously antagonistic to Israel and supportive of Israel’s most bitter and determined enemies.
In the U.S., they constitute a significant portion of Israel’s harshest critics on social media.
Supporters of Israel should pause long and hard before casting their ballot for anyone sharing present-day democratic socialist values concerning Israel.
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A. Stanton:
What a silly argument. I am a strong supporter of the people of Israel, and I think Bibi Netanyahu is a Trump clone - a major blowhard who regularly puts his foot in his mouth.
He won a "great" victory last March 17, with about 23% of the popular gote and 25% of the seats in the Knesset (30 of 120 seats), so in a parliamentary system he was asked to form a government, and managed to cobnle toget a 61 seat majority.
Your argument based on political labels is pure nonsense.
Bernie Sanders in 2016.
What a silly argument. I am a strong supporter of the people of Israel, and I think Bibi Netanyahu is a Trump clone - a major blowhard who regularly puts his foot in his mouth.
He won a "great" victory last March 17, with about 23% of the popular gote and 25% of the seats in the Knesset (30 of 120 seats), so in a parliamentary system he was asked to form a government, and managed to cobnle toget a 61 seat majority.
Your argument based on political labels is pure nonsense.
Bernie Sanders in 2016.
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Israel was of course founded as a democratic socialist country, in the spirit of the moderate European labor movement and SD parties. Those parties still have close historic ties to Israel, and their criticisms are like those of the Israeli left and probably the majority of Jewish Americans, who are not great admirers of Netanyahu.
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You mean Israel, the social democracy? I get the impression Bernie's not the only one in his camp to find the idea of kibbutzim appealing, and I suspect it'll prompt many young leftists to read more deeply, and perhaps both more understandingly and more intelligently critically, into Israel's short history than they have before.
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People would like a little more honesty. The Times Editorial Board hopes that now the campaign will be come "more about ideas" while describing Sanders campaign all "heart."
So -- a disingenuous way of tilting the scales toward Clinton, while not taking any responsibility for the Times' largely trivial coverage of the issues. I wonder if they wonder why a candidate like Sanders is so popular. It would be nice if the press seemed at least as honest and the candidate perceived as the most honest. So, NYTimes: physician heal thyself!
So -- a disingenuous way of tilting the scales toward Clinton, while not taking any responsibility for the Times' largely trivial coverage of the issues. I wonder if they wonder why a candidate like Sanders is so popular. It would be nice if the press seemed at least as honest and the candidate perceived as the most honest. So, NYTimes: physician heal thyself!
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The Times did not cover Bernie's speech, while they covered Clinton's. I watched Bernie on the BBC website. So, you definitely have a point about tilting the scales.
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Not sure it matters about Cruz. I doubt he can maintain the momentum. But Bernie Sanders, wow. In a conservative state like Iowa. Guess they do not read the NY Times there. Go Bernie. This is great news.
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Actually, the data show that the Dems in Iowa are as, or more liberal, than the Dems in Vermont and New Hampshire.
"Mrs. Clinton, while exuding a great deal of fire and energy at a big rally on Sunday night near Des Moines, frames her candidacy much more cerebrally and pragmatically."
I support Hillary Clinton, but I think she is running too much on her RESUME and not enough as a REBEL, like Sanders.
Moving on the NH, I hope that she will push the idea of a woman presidency to the max. I suggest that she try a symbol, such as two "V" signs with her hands together, to form a "W" for woman.
I think having a woman president would be huge, finally after 227 years. This would encourage women and men to rise up and assert themselves more. I believe this would help to shake up the system and stimulate or stagnant economy.
From STAG-NATION to IMAGI-NATION to DETERMI-NATION.
One step for (W)oman. One giant lead for (H)umankind.
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I support Hillary Clinton, but I think she is running too much on her RESUME and not enough as a REBEL, like Sanders.
Moving on the NH, I hope that she will push the idea of a woman presidency to the max. I suggest that she try a symbol, such as two "V" signs with her hands together, to form a "W" for woman.
I think having a woman president would be huge, finally after 227 years. This would encourage women and men to rise up and assert themselves more. I believe this would help to shake up the system and stimulate or stagnant economy.
From STAG-NATION to IMAGI-NATION to DETERMI-NATION.
One step for (W)oman. One giant lead for (H)umankind.
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(Bus)Ted Cruz will follow Mike Huckabee and Rick Santorum to the dustbin of unelectable general election candidates - thankfully.
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Does Marco Rubio believe he won Iowa? His "acceptance" speech made it sound that way. It's like someone who comes in third place at the Academy Awards and goes to the podium to accept a statue that only exists in their mind. And per usual (as was mentioned in this editorial) Rubio couldn't give a talk without wretchedly demonizing President Obama and Hillary Clinton. And it's done in a kind of dark vicious way that makes the skin crawl.
And that kind of tasteless Republican vitriol makes no sense. Because sooner or later he, or whomever wins that party's nomination, will appear in the general election. Do they believe that only Republican votes are needed to sweep them into the White House. What does that say about judgement much less class?
Donald Trump accepted his loss better than expected. As for Ted Cruz, I personally couldn't watch or listen to anything that cringe-worthy so called born again Christian had to say. As Mahatma Gandhi once observed, "I like your Christ but not your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
And that kind of tasteless Republican vitriol makes no sense. Because sooner or later he, or whomever wins that party's nomination, will appear in the general election. Do they believe that only Republican votes are needed to sweep them into the White House. What does that say about judgement much less class?
Donald Trump accepted his loss better than expected. As for Ted Cruz, I personally couldn't watch or listen to anything that cringe-worthy so called born again Christian had to say. As Mahatma Gandhi once observed, "I like your Christ but not your Christians. They are so unlike your Christ."
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"The last Christian died on the cross." (Nietzsche)
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The anger and meanspiritedness of Cruz and Rubio is certainly appalling. This from contestants for an office whose goal should be to try to bring us together. What's to be expected, an Enemies List like President Nixon maintained? The cheap appeal to religion is altogether transparent and another major cause for worry. As Sinclair Lewis wrote, "When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross."
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I have to say that HRC is the most experienced, distinguished candidate running and I will be happy to elect the first woman in the nation's history as President.
It is long overdue.
Senator Sanders has run an outstanding campaign. I find his discussion of the issues compelling and intelligent. He has elevated the race to a discussion of important matters.
Unfortunately for him, his supporters are not persuasive in the least. If I ever thought of voting for Senator Sanders, his supporters have turned me off. They shed more heat than light.
I think that will also happen in the general election. If they can turn off a Left Coast liberal, think of how they will turn off centrists that will determine the election outcome.
I think HRC has the pragmatism to be more effective at implementing her ideas than Senator Sanders.
Republicans do too, as they ignore Senator Sanders and focus all their rage at HRC.
But she is a tough cookie, and I wish her godspeed!
It is long overdue.
Senator Sanders has run an outstanding campaign. I find his discussion of the issues compelling and intelligent. He has elevated the race to a discussion of important matters.
Unfortunately for him, his supporters are not persuasive in the least. If I ever thought of voting for Senator Sanders, his supporters have turned me off. They shed more heat than light.
I think that will also happen in the general election. If they can turn off a Left Coast liberal, think of how they will turn off centrists that will determine the election outcome.
I think HRC has the pragmatism to be more effective at implementing her ideas than Senator Sanders.
Republicans do too, as they ignore Senator Sanders and focus all their rage at HRC.
But she is a tough cookie, and I wish her godspeed!
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Experience is not wisdom. Her lack of imagination as far as Iraq is a good example. HRC was one of the most divisive Secretaries of State. Compare her tenure to Kerry. On foreign policy she could be Bush's running mate - there is not war that she does not like.
She has name recognition because of Bill, zillions of $$ from billionaires, NYT propaganda, and still cannot win a caucus.
She has name recognition because of Bill, zillions of $$ from billionaires, NYT propaganda, and still cannot win a caucus.
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David,
If you are turned off by Bernie Sanders, you're. Not a Liberal !
If you are turned off by Bernie Sanders, you're. Not a Liberal !
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The current economic situation for 90% of Americans is an outrage. And is often said, if you are not outraged you have not been paying attention.
Ok. But Hillary, please, please, please just stop yelling and waving your arms.
Please start speaking more softly, stop lecturing. I feel like you are yelling at all times. There's campaigning but do we constantly have to be yelled at?
Please start speaking more softly, stop lecturing. I feel like you are yelling at all times. There's campaigning but do we constantly have to be yelled at?
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"Senator Marco Rubio of Florida, who fared well on Monday night, tried to put a younger and more charming face on the basic Republican message of anger, xenophobia, fear and hate,....."
You can spin it any way you wish, but as a registered Democrat and belonging to the dying centrist segment of my party which is union and working class, I admire and am intrigued by Marco Rubio.
Do I agree with him on everything? Nope. But more than I do with the Left Wing of my party.
Anyway, I cannot trust a thing Hillary says, and Bernie will never be elected not only because he is a socialist, but because he must disavow himself as a Jew, like the Times' editors must disavow their founders, in order to garner support from the Dem left wing. I did not forget, nor did Bernie, that an early "rumor" was that he was a "dual national" of Israel. That reporter later "apologized." But hey, that's racism and anti-semitism as espoused by the Left Wing of my party.
So, I like a young Hispanic who actually speaks Spanish running for the highest office. Who believes in God, as did our Founders. Who respects Israel, and who has been quoted as saying that there are legitimate concerns raised by the "Black Lives Matters" movement (see Atlantic Monthly article by Jeff Goldberg).
Oh, and if Rubio "plays to Americans' "insecurities" over Islamic fascism, the Times makes up for it by censoring satirical cartoons and other coverage out of its own fear.
I may just vote Rubio in the general election.
You can spin it any way you wish, but as a registered Democrat and belonging to the dying centrist segment of my party which is union and working class, I admire and am intrigued by Marco Rubio.
Do I agree with him on everything? Nope. But more than I do with the Left Wing of my party.
Anyway, I cannot trust a thing Hillary says, and Bernie will never be elected not only because he is a socialist, but because he must disavow himself as a Jew, like the Times' editors must disavow their founders, in order to garner support from the Dem left wing. I did not forget, nor did Bernie, that an early "rumor" was that he was a "dual national" of Israel. That reporter later "apologized." But hey, that's racism and anti-semitism as espoused by the Left Wing of my party.
So, I like a young Hispanic who actually speaks Spanish running for the highest office. Who believes in God, as did our Founders. Who respects Israel, and who has been quoted as saying that there are legitimate concerns raised by the "Black Lives Matters" movement (see Atlantic Monthly article by Jeff Goldberg).
Oh, and if Rubio "plays to Americans' "insecurities" over Islamic fascism, the Times makes up for it by censoring satirical cartoons and other coverage out of its own fear.
I may just vote Rubio in the general election.
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Please, why the rhetoric about being a Democrat?
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Because the Times denies that there are Dems like me.
And because, so do some Posters here.
And because, so do some Posters here.
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Whether Bernie exceeds Hillary in delegates is scarcely relevant at this stage. The fact that he virtually equalled her may well be irreparably damaging to her. This is a victory for Bernie in every real sense. And I'm glad. Because though I am not a socialist, Bernie is the only character with any character in this race as far as I can see. I'll gladly take his pie-in-the-sky over the demonic shenanigans of Hillary or any of the Republicans (except Kasich).
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The republicans hope you are right. I'm betting on the strongest, most capable candidate in the race - Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton.
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That's the extremely conventional wisdom, and it's likely to be wrong like so many other predictions about this race. I doubt very much that Hillary can beat the Republicans. True, she's a Wall Street neo-conservative whose 2nd Clinton presidency would really be tantamount to a third Bush presidency. That's an advantage, I suppose. But on the assumption of business-as-usual, I really don't care who wins. I think a person should vote for the best candidate simply and not try to second guess fate. Maybe we'd have a better democracy is people put character above winning.
Now we know, having given a victory to Cruz, just how crazy the Republicans of Iowa really are.
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at least it wasnt trump
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We have ourselves a race! Bernie matched Hillary to a near tie. That's quite a showing for someone that was supposed to get blown out by the inevitable crush of Hillary. Even if he does not get the nomination, his strength should show Hillary what the electorate is concerned about and refocus her priorities away from Wall Street and establishment politics. I keep hearing that Hillary is stronger with black voters but blacks only make up 13% of the population and are heavily concentrated in big cities which vote democratic anyway. Even still, I think the message Bernie has will resonate with black voters once his campaign reaches them. I also think that Bernie will draw the attention of working class whites and rural America. He can draw upon their frustration as Trump has.
On the GOP side, once the weaker candidates go away and we have three why contest, I think that Rubio will pull away. Trump will fade in the populous states and Cruz cant win on small town evangelicals alone. I'll give the final race 55% odds that it will Clinton versus Rubio and 45% odds that it will be Bernie versus Rubio. It all depends upon what happens in the big states. Bernie could still win the nomination.
On the GOP side, once the weaker candidates go away and we have three why contest, I think that Rubio will pull away. Trump will fade in the populous states and Cruz cant win on small town evangelicals alone. I'll give the final race 55% odds that it will Clinton versus Rubio and 45% odds that it will be Bernie versus Rubio. It all depends upon what happens in the big states. Bernie could still win the nomination.
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look at th total number of votes cast
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Watch the republican convention and do not be surprised at the outcome. These are all also-rans.
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I'd like to see 2 brokered conventions nominating Elizabeth Warren and Paul Ryan. I think the reasons are obvious.
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What successes, on both a policy and personal level, does Hillary Clinton have? How did she do at State? How well did her Libya, Syria, Russia, Iran, and North Korean policies work out?
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It's nice to have votes in, finally.
I have been disappointed by hearing people declare that they don't support Hillary Clinton because they want a "progressive". History will record that she did more for the progressive movement in the 1990s alone than many politicians do in their whole lives.
I was heartened to see http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/01/us/elections/iowa-democrat... that 56% of the Democrats showing up at Democratic Party caucus sites favored Secy Clinton. Unfortunately, 22% of people showing up to caucus did not identify as "Democrats".
It's a pleasure to live in a State where I vote in a primary alongside people who are registered in my party. When I belonged to no party, I did not participate in primaries. It's a choice.
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It's nice to have votes in, finally.
I have been disappointed by hearing people declare that they don't support Hillary Clinton because they want a "progressive". History will record that she did more for the progressive movement in the 1990s alone than many politicians do in their whole lives.
I was heartened to see http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/02/01/us/elections/iowa-democrat... that 56% of the Democrats showing up at Democratic Party caucus sites favored Secy Clinton. Unfortunately, 22% of people showing up to caucus did not identify as "Democrats".
It's a pleasure to live in a State where I vote in a primary alongside people who are registered in my party. When I belonged to no party, I did not participate in primaries. It's a choice.
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Hillary Clinton is arguably the best known woman in the world. Wife of a 2 term President, a US Senator, a Secretary of State, a 2008 Candidate that almost secured the Democratic nomination, the endorsement of almost every national Democratic official, the endorsement of the New York Times and Washington Post. A former President campaigning for you.
And she can not dispatch an independent Senator most Americans did not know a year ago.
HILLARY. CLINTON. LOST.
Get used to it.
#feelthebern
And she can not dispatch an independent Senator most Americans did not know a year ago.
HILLARY. CLINTON. LOST.
Get used to it.
#feelthebern
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Are you a mind reader? Final results aren't in. Lighten up. Both Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Senator Bernie Sanders are excellent candidates and have mutual respect. Let's keep it that way.
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Yep. 2008 is coming back around.
She had every advantage but it looks like she will manage to blow it again.
Hillary is one UNinspiring candidate. A wonk, but a very poor campaigner, even with Bill whispering strategy in her ear. We do not need a Democrat who is Republican-lite.
Bernie Sanders in 2016.
She had every advantage but it looks like she will manage to blow it again.
Hillary is one UNinspiring candidate. A wonk, but a very poor campaigner, even with Bill whispering strategy in her ear. We do not need a Democrat who is Republican-lite.
Bernie Sanders in 2016.
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Stop, for god's sake. It's stupid, intemperate outbursts like this that really damage your guy's chances. I caucused for Bernie tonight, and had to toll his imported precinct captain to dial back the Berniebro when talking to Hillary supporters who had come over to talk because they were genuinely curious, even torn. Too late; he'd alienated everyone with all his hollering and aggressiveness.
The truth is that any sensible Dem will shrug and vote reasonably contentedly for either of them come November. Stop treating people with whom you have marginal disagreements as enemies.
The truth is that any sensible Dem will shrug and vote reasonably contentedly for either of them come November. Stop treating people with whom you have marginal disagreements as enemies.
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The Democrats are giving us a great choice: two old, white people. One's a crank and the other is a liar. Too bad the reasonable candidate, Jim Webb, was forced out of the race. Is it too late to beg him to get back in?
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What Iowa shows is Democrats and Independents are united against the Bush evangelical Republican party. Trump may have had a chance, but he fell off the wall.
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If the Times editors counted all the blogs out there dedicated to the intersection between fundamentalist Christian religion and political ideology, they wouldn’t be puzzled at what connection existed between Cruz’s unwillingness to tithe and his viability with an important slice of hyper-conservative voters.
Unfortunately, where this editorial might have been useful was in assessing the implications of the choices made on the right in Iowa, rather than merely criticizing only three of the contestants; and in assessing the implications of either a Sanders or a Clinton nomination to any possible eventual success the Democrats might enjoy in November.
Instead, we basically got “hey, we’re finally rolling, even if it needs to be in Iowa and New Hampshire, states each having a population 94% white”.
Unfortunately, where this editorial might have been useful was in assessing the implications of the choices made on the right in Iowa, rather than merely criticizing only three of the contestants; and in assessing the implications of either a Sanders or a Clinton nomination to any possible eventual success the Democrats might enjoy in November.
Instead, we basically got “hey, we’re finally rolling, even if it needs to be in Iowa and New Hampshire, states each having a population 94% white”.
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So it's a virtual tie between Sanders and Clinton, with 90% of results in, and according to MSNBC and Andrea Mitchell, the Clinton campaign is claiming victory.
None of the news organizations say she has won. No democratic organization in Iowa says she has won. Just her organization.
As Rachel Maddow said, "Can she do that?"
Well, apparently they are doing it. And that, in a nutshell, is what is meant by people not trusting her. And why I'll be voting for Bernie, or nobody.
None of the news organizations say she has won. No democratic organization in Iowa says she has won. Just her organization.
As Rachel Maddow said, "Can she do that?"
Well, apparently they are doing it. And that, in a nutshell, is what is meant by people not trusting her. And why I'll be voting for Bernie, or nobody.
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And as MSNBC just noted, this is what Bill Clinton did in 1992. He came in 2nd in New Hampshire and called himself the "comeback kid."
I can't take 4, let alone possibly 8, years of this.
I can't take 4, let alone possibly 8, years of this.
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She did not claim victory. She thanked her supporters and said, "Let's go on and win the nomination". She said she's proud to have competitors like Senator Sanders and Mr. O'Malley. Let's all be as civil.
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Bye.
Interesting results. Evangelicals hand it to Cruz, but most Republicans don't realize that Cruz was not born in this country. More Republicans think he was born in the US than think that President Obama was. Hillary Clinton's voters in Iowa included women significantly, people with high school educations but also with postgraduate ones, those about 45 and older, and those with incomes of about $50,000 and above. Bernie Sanders got the young people (some of whom would not yet have good incomes), and those with some college as well as men.
This is actually a good sign for Hillary in the country. She already has a substantial lead among minorities.
For Trump to not win probably is just a reflection of the evangelical and super conservative vote. As voters get to know the negativity of Cruz more, and the weird financial problems of Rubio with his sugar daddy, I doubt if his numbers will be sustained.
And for any of those who think that Hillary is a war hawk, listen to Rubio and the Republicans sometime. (Plus all their demonization of President Obama which has become a religion of hate for Republicans.)
This is actually a good sign for Hillary in the country. She already has a substantial lead among minorities.
For Trump to not win probably is just a reflection of the evangelical and super conservative vote. As voters get to know the negativity of Cruz more, and the weird financial problems of Rubio with his sugar daddy, I doubt if his numbers will be sustained.
And for any of those who think that Hillary is a war hawk, listen to Rubio and the Republicans sometime. (Plus all their demonization of President Obama which has become a religion of hate for Republicans.)
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Enough with the false equivalencies. The Democratic Primary was nothing like the Republican fear fest.
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As a native of Iowa, I was hoping to be proud that they CRUSHED CRUZ. As I write this, he seems to be winning. He is, in my opinion, the SINGLE WORST Presidential candidate in my (relatively) old life.
I'm going to bed. When I wake in the morning, I hope this was a dream, not a nightmare.
I'm going to bed. When I wake in the morning, I hope this was a dream, not a nightmare.
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Yes, Cruz is being "declared" the winner on the Republican side.
In another blow to NYT-endorsed candidates, Bernie Sanders is making the Democratic race very close.
Yes, Cruz is being "declared" the winner on the Republican side.
In another blow to NYT-endorsed candidates, Bernie Sanders is making the Democratic race very close.
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Sorry; your state is infected with evangelicals, which seems to be a neurological disorder.
Ted Cruz won Iowa and didn't back the ethanol mandate so can candidates please stop supporting this.
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Hillary's alleged pragmatism is hollow, inasmuch as she's getting none of her 'realistic' ideas through a Republican House during her first term anyway - assuming she has one, which I doubt.
Moreover, Hillary says that single payer will never happen - even though it has been successfully implemented by our two closest allies, Canada and the United Kingdom, and costs half-as-much as a percentage of GDP as does the extravagant system America current has, while still covering everyone.
If this is an example of Hillary's notion of realism, then perhaps there is nothing to lose by going scorched earth on the Clinton candidacy - inasmuch as the status quo that Hillary goes to great pains to defend is both unacceptable to many Americans and an albatross around the neck of American businesses seeking to compete in a global marketplace.
If Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren were elected President in 2016, they too could not get single payer through a Republican house - but I trust they would at least have the courage to make the argument, so that the American people would understand why it was important to elect a forward-thinking Congress in 2018, or 2020, or 2022, or 2024.
Billary and Chelsea never need worry about paying for health care in the years to come = or having to compete economically in a global marketplace. But most everyone else in America does have to worry about one of those two prospects.
Moreover, Hillary says that single payer will never happen - even though it has been successfully implemented by our two closest allies, Canada and the United Kingdom, and costs half-as-much as a percentage of GDP as does the extravagant system America current has, while still covering everyone.
If this is an example of Hillary's notion of realism, then perhaps there is nothing to lose by going scorched earth on the Clinton candidacy - inasmuch as the status quo that Hillary goes to great pains to defend is both unacceptable to many Americans and an albatross around the neck of American businesses seeking to compete in a global marketplace.
If Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren were elected President in 2016, they too could not get single payer through a Republican house - but I trust they would at least have the courage to make the argument, so that the American people would understand why it was important to elect a forward-thinking Congress in 2018, or 2020, or 2022, or 2024.
Billary and Chelsea never need worry about paying for health care in the years to come = or having to compete economically in a global marketplace. But most everyone else in America does have to worry about one of those two prospects.
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At least Hillary has a notion of realism. Have you seen the analysis of Bernie Sander's tax plan from the Tax Foundation saying his trillion annual tax raise would reduce everyone's after tax income by 10.56% and for the wealthiest 17.9% with an average that includes GDP incomes falling 12.84%. Exactly how would Bernie get this through a Republican Congress that balked at much, much smaller tax increases?
If Hillary clinton is able to build on the advances in healthcare, diplomacy, and other successes of the Obama presidency, the country would be in a much better position.
There are other issues that are deeply concerning, including the roll back of women's rights, voting rights, and other civil rights, and all the threats that Republican candidates are making. It's not all about Wall Street: it is also about Main Street and basic rights. It is also not about foolhardy courage. It doesn't take courage to beat your head against a wall time and again, but courage is surmounting obstacles in whatever way you can.
If Hillary clinton is able to build on the advances in healthcare, diplomacy, and other successes of the Obama presidency, the country would be in a much better position.
There are other issues that are deeply concerning, including the roll back of women's rights, voting rights, and other civil rights, and all the threats that Republican candidates are making. It's not all about Wall Street: it is also about Main Street and basic rights. It is also not about foolhardy courage. It doesn't take courage to beat your head against a wall time and again, but courage is surmounting obstacles in whatever way you can.
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SMB, there is a substantial difference between being a sell-out and realist. Hillary is a sell-out. Her official positions are up for sale to the highest bidder.
It's one thing to say that single payer would be would a tough sell given the likely Congress of 2017 and even 2019. But Democrats need to be willing to make the argument. As many Democrats acknowledged in 2009, the votes actually existed in the House in 2009 for single payer - but not in the Senate. The Senate was controlled by Democrats much more like Hillary - Democrats who profited mightily from their relationships with commercial interests who see the American people as suckers to be exploited. Those knaves, like Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, and Joe Lieberman, prevented us from even getting a vote on public option in the Senate.
The reason that the bases of both the Democratic and Republican party are fuming is that they have both simultaneously awakened to the truth that the system is not tuned to respond to their interests.
Losing this election in November would be terrible - but so would wasting four years confronting Clintonian triangulation and posturing, and that's even assuming that the likely return of Clinton fatigue doesn't land her in a political ditch between now and November.
Hillary fancies herself a confident politician - but experience demonstrates that she is confident in areas where she should instead be humble and responsive.
It's one thing to say that single payer would be would a tough sell given the likely Congress of 2017 and even 2019. But Democrats need to be willing to make the argument. As many Democrats acknowledged in 2009, the votes actually existed in the House in 2009 for single payer - but not in the Senate. The Senate was controlled by Democrats much more like Hillary - Democrats who profited mightily from their relationships with commercial interests who see the American people as suckers to be exploited. Those knaves, like Blanche Lincoln, Ben Nelson, and Joe Lieberman, prevented us from even getting a vote on public option in the Senate.
The reason that the bases of both the Democratic and Republican party are fuming is that they have both simultaneously awakened to the truth that the system is not tuned to respond to their interests.
Losing this election in November would be terrible - but so would wasting four years confronting Clintonian triangulation and posturing, and that's even assuming that the likely return of Clinton fatigue doesn't land her in a political ditch between now and November.
Hillary fancies herself a confident politician - but experience demonstrates that she is confident in areas where she should instead be humble and responsive.
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Well said.
I must say that these so called advocancy Newspapers tend to be preachy rather than actionable.
If you do the simple math of calculating the savings from both the Health care and college tuition plans of Sanders against the expected increase in taxes, the average family will save over a hundred thousand dollars in terms of health care savings and student debt.
Continuing our current economic models will lead to our ruing.
Signed,
-A capitalist ex-republican
I must say that these so called advocancy Newspapers tend to be preachy rather than actionable.
If you do the simple math of calculating the savings from both the Health care and college tuition plans of Sanders against the expected increase in taxes, the average family will save over a hundred thousand dollars in terms of health care savings and student debt.
Continuing our current economic models will lead to our ruing.
Signed,
-A capitalist ex-republican
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It looks like Bernie may just pull off the upset in Iowa. No thanks for all your "fair and balanced" reporting NYT.
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It is heartening to see that the winner is the one guy who stood against ethanol subsidies. Nice to see people think critically and with maturity rather than just respond to the most aggressive pandering.
Maybe some people do reject the immediate handout for the bigger picture.
Maybe some people do reject the immediate handout for the bigger picture.
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I wonder who Trump will shoot tonight if he loses? The man scares me, but Cruz scares me even more.
Clinton or Sanders must win the election. Supreme Court to b shaken up in the next 4 years.
Maybe the NYTimes will start writing more about Sanders.
Clinton or Sanders must win the election. Supreme Court to b shaken up in the next 4 years.
Maybe the NYTimes will start writing more about Sanders.
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What has HRC ever gotten done? She is dining out on a lot of ostensible "experience."
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How many people have been both a US Senator and a Secretary of State? To must people either would be a great accomplishment.
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She's held a lot of positions. But even you aren't saying what she got done when she held them.
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Stop expecting other people to do your homework for you. You have a responsibility to inform yourself, as a voter. You can look up her senatorial record on thomas.loc.gov; you can follow her adventures as secy of state in the papers and in Foreign Affairs. Go thou forth and read. It's part of why Ben Franklin bothered to get you a public school system.
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What ideas does the GOP stand for before or after Iowa?
A theocracy with a paucity of healthcare and an overabundance of bellicosity towards Iran.
The Editorial Board knows as well. Is it no wonder that its optimism seems strained at best?
A theocracy with a paucity of healthcare and an overabundance of bellicosity towards Iran.
The Editorial Board knows as well. Is it no wonder that its optimism seems strained at best?
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Most of the Republicans ran negative campaigns The Democrats "were more civil". Apparently, the Editorial Board thinks that that makes the Democrats more high minded. But it is well-established that negative campaigning is more effective. High minded losers are losers all the same.
"voters can only hope that after Iowa the presidential campaign will move toward issues and ideas. " because we didn't see it in the Republican debates.
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Why should -- or rather how can -- the voters turn toward the issues when the press/media has given them/us so little coverage of those pesky items? I guess the answer is: we all know that the candidates all lie about their positions depending on the audience and the latest focus groups. So it's their performances as celebrities that we hear about...it's all there is!
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As I understand it, the straw poll at the Democratic caucuses that is being reported is just that, a straw poll. It has no effect on how many delegates the two candidates will get.
The Republican Party changed its process after 2012 when Ron Paul finished 3rd in the straw poll and elected all the state delegates. They now require the national delegates to reflect the straw poll results.
The whole election is becoming a series of meaningless media events where voters are just props for a story.
The Republican Party changed its process after 2012 when Ron Paul finished 3rd in the straw poll and elected all the state delegates. They now require the national delegates to reflect the straw poll results.
The whole election is becoming a series of meaningless media events where voters are just props for a story.
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To this voter, Bernie is the real deal; I trust him. He has his finger on the pulse of America's deep, structural maladies; our system has long-since lost even the pretense to democracy. But I fear that Sanders will be stymied by political forces determined to destroy him that he cannot control.
Hillary is an effective political operator with deep knowledge, skill and experience, and a mildly progressive position on public policy. But can we trust that Today's Clinton will still be there in 2017? Yesterday's Clinton is not today's Clinton.
As for how I'll vote come my state primary, I probably will hold my decision until the moment I step into the polling booth. Then I'll go with what my gut tells me at the time because more cogitation will hardly help.
Either Democrat (sorry, Martin) is a clear choice in November against any of the contenders on the GOP side.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
Hillary is an effective political operator with deep knowledge, skill and experience, and a mildly progressive position on public policy. But can we trust that Today's Clinton will still be there in 2017? Yesterday's Clinton is not today's Clinton.
As for how I'll vote come my state primary, I probably will hold my decision until the moment I step into the polling booth. Then I'll go with what my gut tells me at the time because more cogitation will hardly help.
Either Democrat (sorry, Martin) is a clear choice in November against any of the contenders on the GOP side.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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Bernie to Hillary: "It's game on! I've got a winning game plan. Where's yours?"
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Oh, yeah, Trump is going to be Reaganesque, per the Wizard of Wasilla.
Dixon High School Drum Major, Eureka College guy cheerleader, Reagan, used the studio's influence to spend WW II, the Big One, swanning around Hollywood.
Thrice married, quadruple bankruptee Trump used the family doctor, to get an exemption for a bone spur, from the Viet Nam draft.
A bone spur, you will note, which has never impeded his golf game.
Tough talking, macho guys.
The republican version.
Dixon High School Drum Major, Eureka College guy cheerleader, Reagan, used the studio's influence to spend WW II, the Big One, swanning around Hollywood.
Thrice married, quadruple bankruptee Trump used the family doctor, to get an exemption for a bone spur, from the Viet Nam draft.
A bone spur, you will note, which has never impeded his golf game.
Tough talking, macho guys.
The republican version.
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The NY Times' attempt at subtlety is anything but; the reader is told, "Elect Hillary- she'll get something done." Hillary Clinton represents what we abhor in politics, the long parade of serial opportunists, herself nearing the head of the pack, quite content to pander to the electorate, denouncing Wall Street while taking millions from them, no doubt brokering assurances of support on their behalf. After taking millions from the health care sector, now an about face on a single payer system that will put many of her donor companies out of business; the majority of Americans support just such a system. Inspirational she is not. She sets a terrible example for women, an alleged role model subsequent to directing a smear campaign against the women who dared disclose her husband's tawdry sexual advances. Her sense of entitlement exemplified by her insistence on using a private server to house government secrets endangering us all for her “convenience.” And, since when has reaching for the stars become such a terrible thing? As President, Bernie Sanders may be challenged with a recalcitrant Congress, but his integrity in attempting to do so may prove the catalyst for a change that is long overdue and needs to start sooner then later. Many any of us can only hope that the NY Times stops responding like a corporation and, instead, provides coverage that focuses as much on the message of opportunity that Mr. Sanders represents as on opportunists exemplified by Ms. Clinton.
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All true, but it doesn't matter. The filth and corruption are a distant second concern, compared to making sure team blue wins. Better a criminal and reputation destroyer than a Republican.
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Bernie Sanders had almost three decades in Congress to institute change, and passed almost no legislation. Almost none of his colleagues from all those years has endorsed him. Why do you think he would be any more effective as president?
He voted five times against the Brady Bill for mandated background checks for handguns. That is not an issue about Vermont hunters. He voted to let gun manufacturers have more of a legal shield than any other business. Even aspirin makers have to have child proof bottles, but guns can be picked up by any toddler and used to shoot mommy or daddy or the baby. Where are consumer protections against guns?
He voted five times against the Brady Bill for mandated background checks for handguns. That is not an issue about Vermont hunters. He voted to let gun manufacturers have more of a legal shield than any other business. Even aspirin makers have to have child proof bottles, but guns can be picked up by any toddler and used to shoot mommy or daddy or the baby. Where are consumer protections against guns?
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Good point SMB; however, on the peace index, which ranks both countries and states in terms of violence, Vermont, New Hampshire and Maine ranked in the top 3 in the US. Perhaps this has something to do with his votes as he represented his home state, what he's elected to do. As President, I trust his position will shift on this as he'll be representing all of us. Hillary Clinton started in politics supporting Barry Goldwater and she's adjusted her position repeatedly as opportunity dictated. At the same time Sanders was marching with civil rights protesters. Something tells me Bernie has the electorates' interests at heart, while Hillary has her own self interests at heart…there is money to made after all!
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The existential threat to the US, the greatest hope for humanity, are its politicians.
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LOL @ the Times wagging its finger at those bootless and unhorsed unfortunates who cheer on Bernie's intention to regulate banks for real - "regardless of whether or not that is remotely possible."
I'll bet those yahoos don't even know which fork to use.
I'll bet those yahoos don't even know which fork to use.
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The Times Editorial Board is just like rest of American society.
Pitiful. Just pitiful.
Pitiful. Just pitiful.
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Simply put, the Republicans have no candidate with either head or heart, while the Democrats have great heart in Bernie, and like her or not, the fine mind of Hillary.
My concern for Hillary is pervasive sexism, but I believe, in the end, we have come far enough to overcome even that.
My concern for Hillary is pervasive sexism, but I believe, in the end, we have come far enough to overcome even that.
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Sanders reminds me of the Democratic candidate William Jennings Bryan in 1896. He lost that election to William McKinley. Bryan was a brilliant orator as is Sanders. McKinley's campaign never left his hometown of Canton, Ohio. As Bryan exhausted himself giving speeches all over the land while McKinley sat at home as thousands of supporters came to Canton daily to visit him. McKinley was a shrewd tactician who had waited for the economy to recover before he decided to run. Bryan was a surprising, unexpected candidate who was nominated out of the convention. If Sanders gets the nomination he'll be like another Bryan, a huge surprise. And if that happens you can bet that the GOP nominee will not be staying home to campaign. None of the Republicans who are running this year possess the savvy of a McKinley. If Sanders somehow becomes the nominee he has a real shot at winning it all. Will the Iowa results be the thing that puts him on a path to the White House? As I write this the caucus results are just starting to come in. I think Hillary Clinton might be in for another big Iowa shock.
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" . . . the savvy of a McKinley."
Is that sort of savvy what prompted McKinley to invade and subdue and subjugate the Filipinos, known as the Philippine "insurrection"?
Is that sort of savvy what prompted McKinley to invade and subdue and subjugate the Filipinos, known as the Philippine "insurrection"?
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A little Knowledge is a wonderful thing! The U.S. Received the Philippines from Spain as a result of winning the Spanish American war. A few decades later its citizens fought with the Americans against the Japanese "Liberators" that invaded it and now as a free people are our friends still!
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Republican strategy is fear, fear ,fear and more fear. That's it, nothing else.
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The democrat campaign is the same, just fear of different things - the rich, the banks, healthcare.
Boo. So much to be afraid of.
Boo. So much to be afraid of.
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you have none of those to fear in canada
lucky you
lucky you
th rich and th banks are truly to be feared
yolure immune up there in canada from at least those 2 threats
yolure immune up there in canada from at least those 2 threats
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Maybe if Trump loses in Iowa, he'll finally come out and tell us the truth: "I wasn't interested in becoming President! I just wanted the publicity".
That's really why he's running after all, he has no intention of becoming President. How could he say what he's said if were serious about his intentions?
I still cannot understand how so many people could and can still not see this.
That's really why he's running after all, he has no intention of becoming President. How could he say what he's said if were serious about his intentions?
I still cannot understand how so many people could and can still not see this.
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bored billionaires do all sorts of weird things
fly balloons around th world,build new kinds of rocket ships, play polo, run for president
its all a game when you have that kind of money
fly balloons around th world,build new kinds of rocket ships, play polo, run for president
its all a game when you have that kind of money
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Yes, all kinds of things like employ people so they can feed their families!
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It is pretty simple.
If you like the status quo, support money controlling politics and don't really want any progressive change, by all means support Clinton.
If you believe our Country cannot continue heading down the road we have been going the past 30 years, believe money in politics corrupts the process and want a leader who has believed for his entire life what he currently advocates, vote for Sanders.
As Senator Elizabeth Warren said on the Senate floor this week, anyone who believes we cannot make change in this country is in bed with the Billionaires. What do you think Editorial Board? Is she another idealistic radical?
If you like the status quo, support money controlling politics and don't really want any progressive change, by all means support Clinton.
If you believe our Country cannot continue heading down the road we have been going the past 30 years, believe money in politics corrupts the process and want a leader who has believed for his entire life what he currently advocates, vote for Sanders.
As Senator Elizabeth Warren said on the Senate floor this week, anyone who believes we cannot make change in this country is in bed with the Billionaires. What do you think Editorial Board? Is she another idealistic radical?
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Give it a rest, ScottW. Senator Sanders had an excellent showing as Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton did. We still have a year to go. Let's lighten up.
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Absolutely, ScottW!
Reminds me of that old adage:
First they'll say you're wrong and they can prove it.
Then they'll say you're right but it's unimportant.
Then they'll say you're right, it's important, and they knew it all along.
Those of us following Bernie Sanders closely know he is "the real deal." He is focusing on critical items with laser-like intensity and has NO time for trivia. Senator Paul Wellstone said once, "If I am on fire it's because I have icebergs of indifference to melt!" Bernie is demonstrating that same passionate commitment to high principles and all America is starting to feel the "Bern."
Go Bernie!!!
Reminds me of that old adage:
First they'll say you're wrong and they can prove it.
Then they'll say you're right but it's unimportant.
Then they'll say you're right, it's important, and they knew it all along.
Those of us following Bernie Sanders closely know he is "the real deal." He is focusing on critical items with laser-like intensity and has NO time for trivia. Senator Paul Wellstone said once, "If I am on fire it's because I have icebergs of indifference to melt!" Bernie is demonstrating that same passionate commitment to high principles and all America is starting to feel the "Bern."
Go Bernie!!!
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Vote for Sanders and elect Rubio? Of course we can bring about changes (make change was, as they told Woody in "Cheers," something a bartender does.) To change the country requires a well-defined campaign with rational metrics, not vague sentiments. I'm not on the Ed Board, but yes, Warren is realistic enough to know that she can serve better in the Senate, and that the ground game is essential: we need people like her as shock troops to back up Hillary.
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The Clinton campaign is saying, "America is an oligarchy. So pick the most liberal oligarch." I don't doubt that Clinton is the most liberal oligarch. She's smart, she's personable, she's well-funded, she's well-intended.
But she's not going to fix a corrupt system. She's not even going to try. A vote for her is a vote for saying the system can never be fixed, so just go with it and hope for a couple of good Supreme Court appointees. How depressing.