I get it. Only dummies, uneducated non voters, would consider Trump .Well, "NY Times" there are a lot of others out there. Have you considered that the times, not the paper, have passed you by.
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Hey all you NY Times publishers, editorial writers, smug politically correct intellectuals, but especially you reporters. Its not just evident. . .but blatantly so. . .that you can't stand Trump . . .so you try to mask your contempt with whatever kind of slanted angle article you compose to bring him down. . .Your predictions of his demise early and late not only continue to fly in your face but both anger and bolster his supporters but also bring him new ones who gleefully applaud when the so-called experts and pundits get it so wrong.
Reporters (or pretenders of same)! Please in the name of journalism don't insult your readers by revealing your bias in what are supposed to be news articles. Its obvious to 6th graders. Isn't this supposed to be the New York Times: that erudite bastion of the 4th estate?
Save the editorializing for the editorial writers. Their unmitigated bile is enough to give THEMSELVES indigestion! May their gall infest their bladders! Go Trump!
Reporters (or pretenders of same)! Please in the name of journalism don't insult your readers by revealing your bias in what are supposed to be news articles. Its obvious to 6th graders. Isn't this supposed to be the New York Times: that erudite bastion of the 4th estate?
Save the editorializing for the editorial writers. Their unmitigated bile is enough to give THEMSELVES indigestion! May their gall infest their bladders! Go Trump!
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I'm sorry. I'm tired of idiots determining our primaries. ONE DAY, ALL STATES, Enough of the peas-in-a-cup, everyone gathers round- nonsense. We aren't all yokels. And we are all very annoyed at having our choices at primary contenders decided by yokels. These states don't represent jack. But they're obsessed over by the press (that represents the rich). Who hope to make us all vote along with their interests. Stupid? Well vote Trump.
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You mean dumb people, of course. Code language.
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Okay, so his biggest supporters are racists and Democrats who are unlikely to vote. Thank you. I can finally sleep well tonight.
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Hey all you NY Times publishers, editorial writers, smug politically correct intellectuals, but especially you reporters. . .Yes you Nate. Its not just evident. . .but blatantly so. . .that you can't stand Trump . . .so you try to mask your contempt with whatever kind of slanted angle article you can trump up to bring him down. . .Your predictions of his demise early and late not only continue to fly in your face, both anger and bolster his supporters, and also bring him new ones who gleefully applaud when the so-called experts and pundits get it so wrong.
Reporters (if you understand the moniker). Please in the name of journalism don't insult your readers by revealing your bias in the articles themselves. It's obvious to 6th graders. Isn't this supposed to be the New York Times: that erudite bastion of the 4th estate?
Save the editorializing for the miffed NYT left-leaning editorial writers. May their gall infest their bladders! Go Trump!
Reporters (if you understand the moniker). Please in the name of journalism don't insult your readers by revealing your bias in the articles themselves. It's obvious to 6th graders. Isn't this supposed to be the New York Times: that erudite bastion of the 4th estate?
Save the editorializing for the miffed NYT left-leaning editorial writers. May their gall infest their bladders! Go Trump!
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Democrats Trump Republicans!
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My Tea Party step-mom who supports Trump fits these characteristics to a tee. She is uneducated, has very limited funds, believes Obama was not born in the USA and that he is a Muslim despite the plethora of documentation to proof these false accusation made by Trump about Obama.
She is definitely RACIST AND HOMOPHOBIC. Absolutely.
I also must add, that even tho she is not the "sharpest knife in the block" she has a benevolent heart and I love her.
She is definitely RACIST AND HOMOPHOBIC. Absolutely.
I also must add, that even tho she is not the "sharpest knife in the block" she has a benevolent heart and I love her.
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NYT just handed the election to Trump. He will get 1/2 the voters that are republican and maybe 1/4 of the democrats. Sounds like Hillary beating numbers to me.
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Essentially uneducated and angry! Never paid much attention to US history classes in Middle School and High School! Welcome to most of Staten Island, Bay Ridge in Brooklyn, and Breezy Point in Queens, New York! Ironically vote for candidates that don't really have their interests at heart! Go figure?! But they have the right to vote just like everyone else.
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another article by a politically sophisticated person. The same people who said trump will never make it this far.It does not take a rocket scientist to understand whats going on with our politics.It does not take eistein to figure out how much money has been wasted on wars, how many people have died. It does not take Carl sagan to figure out that our politicians don;t know what they are doing.Who do you think elected Abraham lincoln?Your most qualified candidate, does not even know the diffrence between a secured email and a non.She use a video saying it triggered the benghazi attack only to realize that a warning was already issued on the attack prior to the video release.I suppose this is what you call political sophistication?
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Rather alarming...this report falsely suggests that Trump supporters are racist....to make a correlation between two maps that 'look' the same is just bad analysis and really says nothing about the electorate who support Trump...the map that shows where racist comments are made mirrors where the black population is distributed in the country - no doubt an illustration of the greater interaction of blacks & whites in the USA...
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Hillary may have sharpened her political rhetoric to appeal to lure Bernie Sanders voters, but the people know he is the one who has the platform and the long time record to be for the people. We can trust him.
We need Bernie Sanders as U.S president to begin to re-strengthen the middle class. We also need more progressives like Senator Elizabeth Warren in the Senate and House to help put specifics of the program through.
Bernie has a very well developed platform with clear, effective specifics that include paying for this progressive economic agenda. He articulates his plans clearly and justifies them with facts. He always speaks on behalf of the majority of Americans.
Bernie’s agenda creates jobs, raises wages, protects the environment, provides free public education through college and provides Medicare for all.
Bernie’s whole program is well developed and explained in the links below.
Bernie’s best speech — given at Georgetown
https://www.georgetown.edu/Bernie-Sanders-at-GU-2015
or
feelthebern.org to read about each of Bernie’s issues in depth
We need Bernie Sanders as U.S president to begin to re-strengthen the middle class. We also need more progressives like Senator Elizabeth Warren in the Senate and House to help put specifics of the program through.
Bernie has a very well developed platform with clear, effective specifics that include paying for this progressive economic agenda. He articulates his plans clearly and justifies them with facts. He always speaks on behalf of the majority of Americans.
Bernie’s agenda creates jobs, raises wages, protects the environment, provides free public education through college and provides Medicare for all.
Bernie’s whole program is well developed and explained in the links below.
Bernie’s best speech — given at Georgetown
https://www.georgetown.edu/Bernie-Sanders-at-GU-2015
or
feelthebern.org to read about each of Bernie’s issues in depth
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This is perhaps the best detailed (and convincing) political analysis so far of the "Trump Phenomenon". It's worth noting that Trump's strongest support comes from not only less educated lower-income older whites, but from those with racial animus against Blacks.
Wondering what ever happened to the old KKK? Therein lies the answer....
Wondering what ever happened to the old KKK? Therein lies the answer....
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Trump supporters and everyone else voting should take heed to something George Orwell said, "if you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face-forever."
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Mr Cohen
I find this paper's obsession with Trump interesting. Every single time they write a column vilifying Trump for a comment he made his poll numbers go up. They are having the opposite affect so why do they continue to do it? But this is the same paper that mocked Rubio's speeding tickets and student loans. They mocked Bush's response about the Iraq war. Every candidate that has risen in the polls is seen as a threat.
My question if actions matter can Republicans mock Hilary for
1) lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia
2) Calling Bashir Assad a positive reformer
3) Refused to condemn Russia's annexation of Crimea
4) Refused to call Boko Hanan a terrorist group
5) supported the deposing of Mubarak and Guddafi
6) Supported putting the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt
7) was the chief architect of the failed Llibyan strategy
8) The Algerian government donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation
while at the same time lobbying her at State. That violated the signed agreement Obama insisted she sign that the Foundation would take no foreign money while she was at State
9) Hillary lied when she sent/received/destroyed confidential emails
10) Hillary only turn over her server only after FOI lawsuits were filed.
Is the Times so desperate to get the White House back that they will ignore agregious acts committed by Hillary and focus on Trump every day? What does that say about the Democrats with what's right in front of their nose?
I find this paper's obsession with Trump interesting. Every single time they write a column vilifying Trump for a comment he made his poll numbers go up. They are having the opposite affect so why do they continue to do it? But this is the same paper that mocked Rubio's speeding tickets and student loans. They mocked Bush's response about the Iraq war. Every candidate that has risen in the polls is seen as a threat.
My question if actions matter can Republicans mock Hilary for
1) lying about being under sniper fire in Bosnia
2) Calling Bashir Assad a positive reformer
3) Refused to condemn Russia's annexation of Crimea
4) Refused to call Boko Hanan a terrorist group
5) supported the deposing of Mubarak and Guddafi
6) Supported putting the Muslim Brotherhood in power in Egypt
7) was the chief architect of the failed Llibyan strategy
8) The Algerian government donated $500,000 to the Clinton Foundation
while at the same time lobbying her at State. That violated the signed agreement Obama insisted she sign that the Foundation would take no foreign money while she was at State
9) Hillary lied when she sent/received/destroyed confidential emails
10) Hillary only turn over her server only after FOI lawsuits were filed.
Is the Times so desperate to get the White House back that they will ignore agregious acts committed by Hillary and focus on Trump every day? What does that say about the Democrats with what's right in front of their nose?
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Its amazing that it seems that the kind of voters who lambasted Bill Clinton for being a draft dodger, give Trump, who couldn't even remember what his "medical deferment' was, an absolute pass.
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George Wallace Democrats. Lester Maddox Democrats. They're gradually turning to dust.
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I remember the 1976 election and thinking there was no way America would vote for Reagan. Wrong. Reagan Democrats gave him the election, voting with their frustration against their own interests. Millions laid off and robbed by trickle down voodoo economics. Believe me, it can happen again. Do not underestimate the stupidity of Americans.
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Can we please get some more perspective and context on this. What are Trump's numbers among all Americans, not just republicans? How do his negatives compare with his positive numbers? Perhaps if we get coverage showing that a majority would not vote for him, and his negatives are higher than anyone else, including Hillary, we can get back to covering news that is not all about Trump.
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Trump's strongest supporters - morons, bigots, and fools. Every single thing he says is a lie, he has exported good jobs, he has committed consumer fraud, he has declared bankruptcy numerous times, and even his business "success" is a fraud, as it has been demonstrated that, given his inheritance, he would have done as well investing in a mutual fund. He is a lying, irresponsible creep & if you vote for that, you are that.
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Very interesting showing the maps with the correlation between Trump support and racist searches (personally I'm not convinced that searching a "racist" joke makes you a member of the KKK).
I'm sure the next article here will show maps that compare support for Hillary and people on food stamps.
I'm sure the next article here will show maps that compare support for Hillary and people on food stamps.
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It shouldn't be unsurprising that uneducated white Americans are supporters of Trump as they have been neglected by both Republicans and Democrats who have their own pet constituencies. Go to Harvard and there are plenty of children of West Indian or Nigerian heritage (and of course many rich, elite whites) who are beneficiaries of affirmative action but you won't find any poor but smart crackers from Kentucky. Go to the factories of China or the call centers of India and see how many people are doing the jobs that used to be done by Anglo-Saxon or ethnic whites. Look at how illegal immigration has halved the wages of the Okie farm workers of Central California. While the Democrats have looked after a coalition of ethnic or sexual minority groups and intellectuals and the Republicans have looked after country club whites and investment bankers, is it surprising that the white working class is happy about finally having a (flawed) candidate that speaks for it?
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Clearly there has never before been a candidate like Donald Trump. In spite of numerous attempts by the media to try and understand his strong poll numbers and the nature of his supporters, the best pundits and reporters can come up with is a sketchy analysis of the candidate.
Trump is his own man. He is a Republican in name only but he swings wildly between GOP and Democratic policies. In fact, it is difficult for anyone to say what his political ideology is at this stage in his campaign. The best that might be said is that he is a pragmatist who will always be contradictory and inconsistent as he attempts to respond to circumstances as they are presented to him. That has been his style as a successful businessman and it seems to drive his opponents and his critics crazy.
As a long term Democratic voter going back to Jimmy Carter and one who greatly admires President Obama, if the contest comes down to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I'm going with Trump. It is too bad that the media has all but annoited HC the Democratic nominee. I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling disenchanted with the Democratic offering of Clinton like it or not.
Trump is his own man. He is a Republican in name only but he swings wildly between GOP and Democratic policies. In fact, it is difficult for anyone to say what his political ideology is at this stage in his campaign. The best that might be said is that he is a pragmatist who will always be contradictory and inconsistent as he attempts to respond to circumstances as they are presented to him. That has been his style as a successful businessman and it seems to drive his opponents and his critics crazy.
As a long term Democratic voter going back to Jimmy Carter and one who greatly admires President Obama, if the contest comes down to Hillary Clinton or Donald Trump, I'm going with Trump. It is too bad that the media has all but annoited HC the Democratic nominee. I'm sure I'm not alone in feeling disenchanted with the Democratic offering of Clinton like it or not.
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Trump challenge with turnout may be overstated. The intensity of animus towards the current ruling elite has instilled a sense of urgency, bordering on panic, that something must be done to correct the current disaster that is the ruling class.
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Trump is mostly supported because he is not willing to bend over backwards to BLM and is not afraid to say politically incorrect things that people know deep down to be true (not all of those things are true, but some are). And I, as a newly minted home owner who invested everything I got into it, am deathly afraid of the rise in crime across big cities that NYT recently documented and I don't think Hillary would be able to effectively counter it because she is too politically correct. Another concern is the sense of entitlements that have swept the nation, including colleges, and, as always, money to pay for those entitlements will be taken from the hard working Americans.
Therefore, I, as a general learning democrat, do not think that Trump's presidency would be the worst thing in the world. In fact, if things continue to deteriorate, I might even vote for him
Therefore, I, as a general learning democrat, do not think that Trump's presidency would be the worst thing in the world. In fact, if things continue to deteriorate, I might even vote for him
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The tendency of some poor people to go to the right, or the racist or toward the sort of rough and ribald politics that Trump champions has been seen before. In 1968, many poor whites supported George Wallace, a third party candidate, who overflowed with antipathy toward people with color and ran a nasty, brutish campaign. Interestingly enough, many of these people had supported liberal Robert Kennedy in the Spring of 1968.
Very simply, many lower middle class white people do not have a clear sense of ideological alignment, do not understand politics or American Government and are easily swayed by flammable political movements. If these people had a better understanding of what is going on, they would realize that they are being shafted by the top one percent and support Bernie Sanders. Sanders is quite correct in reaching out to Trump voters; they can be educated and they can vote for a liberal candidate because, as said above, many of the poor whites who voted for Wallace in the autumn had voted for Kennedy in the dem primaries in that glorious Spring of 68, when the shots brought everything to a close.
Very simply, many lower middle class white people do not have a clear sense of ideological alignment, do not understand politics or American Government and are easily swayed by flammable political movements. If these people had a better understanding of what is going on, they would realize that they are being shafted by the top one percent and support Bernie Sanders. Sanders is quite correct in reaching out to Trump voters; they can be educated and they can vote for a liberal candidate because, as said above, many of the poor whites who voted for Wallace in the autumn had voted for Kennedy in the dem primaries in that glorious Spring of 68, when the shots brought everything to a close.
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My father stopped going to high school at 16-years-old to take care of the family farm. He became a master carpenter in his 20s and then business owner by 30, who obsessively devoured three newspapers each morning (inc. NYT) and had his radios tuned to NPR all day. His children have acquired various fancy credentials and we're married to MDs, JDs, PhDs. My father recently passed away, but I can't help but wonder how offended boomers like him have to be to read the snobby elite media constantly patronizing this hard working "uneducated class" who merely lack a college credential. Especially when the dog whistle of "uneducated class" seems to be white, flyover state, low culture, provincial, racist.
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There is an implication here that some of these numbers are based on sampling respondents. Well--sort of yes and sort of no. There is a reported sample of 11,000 folks. There are 435 congressional districts in the US. That comes out to about 2.5 respondents per district. Surely many of these districts contributed no respondents at all to the sample. This is all "statistical modeling". Mr Cohn has a history of being very good at this. This particular venture doesn't make the cut. I can only guess at what he did with his data. I'd guess he used, age, sex, education, ethnicity (possibly just race and hispanic/non hispanic), maybe census tract home values, possibly religion. and some interaction terms with region.
His confidence interval is 8.7%, meaning almost no district is different from the mean for all districts. All those words based on such a flimsy basis are not real convincing.
His confidence interval is 8.7%, meaning almost no district is different from the mean for all districts. All those words based on such a flimsy basis are not real convincing.
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Any generalized analysis of the Republican party would indicate that the party is toast. Going after a narrower and narrower appeal seems counter productive. The "strategy", if that word fits, is the opposite of what has been sought by American political parties for most of our history.
The normal way of doing things can be compared to a Christmas tree where the central structure and branches represent the broad strokes of wide appeal, with various ornaments hung on to get the votes of specific groups. Instead, the Republicans are ripping branches off the tree and pulling off ornaments, challenging people to stay with them.
The Republican party is still milking the combined dissatisfaction from the Great Recession and the failure of American jobs to sufficiently reward workers with increased pay. The massive problem they've built for themselves, however, was given rise by propagandistic media, like Fox News and talk radio, constantly stoking fear and anger. Trump stepped right into the arena built by right wing media and the extremist language embraced by tea party groups and newer members of Congress. They have cooked up a nasty pot of stew; they might yet cook in it themselves.
It would be further interesting to know how many Trump "supporters" aren't even registered to vote. There appears to be an interesting correlation in the mapping of high Trump support with areas of the country hit hardest by job losses and low wages. Until voting starts, it is all speculation.
The normal way of doing things can be compared to a Christmas tree where the central structure and branches represent the broad strokes of wide appeal, with various ornaments hung on to get the votes of specific groups. Instead, the Republicans are ripping branches off the tree and pulling off ornaments, challenging people to stay with them.
The Republican party is still milking the combined dissatisfaction from the Great Recession and the failure of American jobs to sufficiently reward workers with increased pay. The massive problem they've built for themselves, however, was given rise by propagandistic media, like Fox News and talk radio, constantly stoking fear and anger. Trump stepped right into the arena built by right wing media and the extremist language embraced by tea party groups and newer members of Congress. They have cooked up a nasty pot of stew; they might yet cook in it themselves.
It would be further interesting to know how many Trump "supporters" aren't even registered to vote. There appears to be an interesting correlation in the mapping of high Trump support with areas of the country hit hardest by job losses and low wages. Until voting starts, it is all speculation.
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Enthusiasm for Trump seems to me to be a sort of nihilism. I don't think his supporters are so much "for" Trump as they wish to demonstrate a pure disgust with the world. It should concern us greatly that many of our fellow citizens are simply ready to give up on the idea of building a kind and decent society together.
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I was living in NC in 2010 when the legislature turned red for the first time since reconstruction. And the one thing that struck me while I was working at the polls was how angry much of the electorate was. I wonder if that is the same electorate that Donald Trump is appealing to.
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Up to now I have been of the belief that Trump is not electable. It could never happen. But after reading this piece I realize that I may have it wrong. It is actually Hillary who is not electable. Similar editorials appeared about eight years ago explaining why Obama would never be elected and how all good democrats should close ranks behind Hillary. It didn't work then and it will not work now. If it is true that Trump appeals strongly to less educated and less affluent Americans, then he appeals to a huge demographic. Perhaps it is only the big cities dwellers who would prefer Clinton to Trump. After reading this rather snobby editorial I have come to the conclusion that Trump may very well win the election. This paper is often a reverse compass of popular American sentiment.
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Well, whoever wrote this, stated it better than I am able. Trump I agree, appeals to a huge demographic. I am allegedly well educated and I find him more than interesting. Full disclosure; I was born and reared in Manhattan as were my parents, & grand parents, but I have seen the rest of America, real America as it were. My views have changed.
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Gives new meaning to there is a sucker born every minute. Trump starts his stump speech with his poll numbers and how awful every other candidates while offering nothing substantive to solve the issues facing the country. Bye Felicia.
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In find your comment interesting given that Democrats are the biggest suckers walking. Hilary Clinton said she never sent/received confidential emails yet the FBI investigation shows she sent over 1,000. She violated a signed agreement with Obama that he foundation would take no foreign money. Maybe that $500,000 the Algerian government gave the foundation in 2011 while at the same time lobbying Hillary at state So when you talk about a sucker born every minute I would question the collective intelligence of Democrats whe wouid vote for someone who is a liar, in bed with Wall Street and whose about to be indicted.
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Mmm.... sorry but only an idiot or someone who likes loud, shiny objects would be a Trump supporter.
I can understand voter disaffection on both the left and the right; frustration with compromised politicians; a rigged political system. I get all that. I share most of that.
What I don't get and don't share is this investment in a blowhard, egotist like Trump. Merely listening to what he says is enough for any thinking person to quickly understand that there is no "there" there. Behind his bluster, his bragging, his racism and misogyny, he really doesn't have a clue: he has no ideas, no foundation of beliefs, no basis for making policy. He is just loud.
But hey, shiny, loud objects can be fun and a carnival is a sort of crude entertainment. A trainwreck Trump Presidency would certainly be entertaining.
I can understand voter disaffection on both the left and the right; frustration with compromised politicians; a rigged political system. I get all that. I share most of that.
What I don't get and don't share is this investment in a blowhard, egotist like Trump. Merely listening to what he says is enough for any thinking person to quickly understand that there is no "there" there. Behind his bluster, his bragging, his racism and misogyny, he really doesn't have a clue: he has no ideas, no foundation of beliefs, no basis for making policy. He is just loud.
But hey, shiny, loud objects can be fun and a carnival is a sort of crude entertainment. A trainwreck Trump Presidency would certainly be entertaining.
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At almost 72 and on S.S. not entertaining for me.
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It is what Rupert Murdoch and his lying minions have brought us too. Want to know who's at fault?
Look no further than Rupert Murdoch.
Look no further than Rupert Murdoch.
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Thanks to The Donald and two very old and outdated democrat candidates, I think the time has finally come to sit this one out come November. No realistic choice is going to be available so I refuse to waste my time. Sad state of affairs in this country today.
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Sitting out basically just elects the Republican.
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Nate,
You twice refer to "traditionally Democratic voters" even though these people have been defined by Cirvis as registered Democrats who identify as Republicans. The one negates the other. You can be registered to a party, but not vote, and that seems to be implied. These folks may be registered Democrats, but they either vote Republican or they don't vote. So they are indeed NOT "traditionally Democratic voters".
I would suggest then that their recent voting history is probably voting for Reagan, and voting for W maybe both times, but at least the second time, but staying home for all the other presidential elections being disconnected to any of the Democratic candidates and uninspired by the Republicans.
Now they are inspired by Trump. I would conclude that this data shows a much bigger problem for the Democrats. If Trump gets the nomination, I would think all these "registered Democrats" would be thrilled to vote for him like they did Reagan and sink Bernie or Hillary.
You twice refer to "traditionally Democratic voters" even though these people have been defined by Cirvis as registered Democrats who identify as Republicans. The one negates the other. You can be registered to a party, but not vote, and that seems to be implied. These folks may be registered Democrats, but they either vote Republican or they don't vote. So they are indeed NOT "traditionally Democratic voters".
I would suggest then that their recent voting history is probably voting for Reagan, and voting for W maybe both times, but at least the second time, but staying home for all the other presidential elections being disconnected to any of the Democratic candidates and uninspired by the Republicans.
Now they are inspired by Trump. I would conclude that this data shows a much bigger problem for the Democrats. If Trump gets the nomination, I would think all these "registered Democrats" would be thrilled to vote for him like they did Reagan and sink Bernie or Hillary.
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Trump is basically bringing to light what we have always subconsciously suspected: the average American is ignorant and gullible. The writing has been on the wall for a long time. After all, as of last year, forty-two percent of Americans believe God created mankind as it is ten thousand years ago. I guess this country's stance on education is finally coming home to roost.
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And who educated them ? Liberals. Liberals and unions own the schools. That is an awful roost.
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Sadly David, you live in a university town. Try and see real America some time. And that is not LA or NYC.
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Nothing new. This is called the lumpenproletariat. Look that up in your Funk & Wagnalls, kid.
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Well, actually no. The lumpenproletariat is the criminal/drug addict class. And I didn't have to look it up. It's the actual proletariat that supports Trump but it would make liberals too nervous to say that.
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I have spent much of my life among skilled tradespeople and craftspeople. Many don't have more than an associates degree, if that, but most are intelligent, informed and very well read.
They are not uneducated. They are simply uncredentialed. But the NYT doesn't make that distinction with data such as that which is presented here. To many readers "uneducated" or "less educated" just means stupid.
I can think of several electricians and carpenters who are in their 50s and 60s. I'd put the level of education they had to demonstrate to earn a NYC academic diploma up against half the BAs I know. And if I was ever stuck on a desert island I'd rather be stuck with them over virtually every PhD I've ever worked with.
They are not uneducated. They are simply uncredentialed. But the NYT doesn't make that distinction with data such as that which is presented here. To many readers "uneducated" or "less educated" just means stupid.
I can think of several electricians and carpenters who are in their 50s and 60s. I'd put the level of education they had to demonstrate to earn a NYC academic diploma up against half the BAs I know. And if I was ever stuck on a desert island I'd rather be stuck with them over virtually every PhD I've ever worked with.
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My experience is similar to yours. In fact, a number of tradespeople I know are intellectuals in the best sense of the word. But who are the people who are supporting Trump?
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I don't think skilled tradespersons are those who are being referred to. I worked for IBM for many, many years. The owner, and active plumber, of the plumbing company I have used these last 25+ years was more PC literate than I at the time we first met. He did not have a mainframe clue, but didn't need it. PC know-how even then, was an advantage to run his business.
In many ways this educated/uneducated 'discussion' is not meaningful. Long Island correlating with racism and Trump support, does help support your point though. I have a BS in Physics ('66) and would probably share you're opinion of the BAs you refer to. Ooh, I'm not biased, am I?
"To err is human, to compound human error, add social media", to paraphrase an old computer joke.
In many ways this educated/uneducated 'discussion' is not meaningful. Long Island correlating with racism and Trump support, does help support your point though. I have a BS in Physics ('66) and would probably share you're opinion of the BAs you refer to. Ooh, I'm not biased, am I?
"To err is human, to compound human error, add social media", to paraphrase an old computer joke.
'couldn't agree more...as a 'credentialed' person I grew up amongst the kind of folks you describe, 'my people' - and they are very well informed and have very good base instincts about events and people...I always enjoy going home to hear what they have to say - it's 'good grounding' especially after living in NYC for 30 plus years. Similarly, I find my fellow, credentialed friends rather nauseating at times...
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I just love these bogus polls claiming those that are less educated are Trump supporters.. I'm happy to say I have a B.S degree and I'm a Trump supporter and I'm also happy to say that the polls that claims Trump supporters are less educated are flat out wrong. It's just a matter of time before all these naysayers are proven wrong.. right after Trump is elected.
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The more important question is do you correlate with racist internet searches? I didn't think so and don't quite buy the simple depiction in the maps. There is a lot more complexity in the populations mapped out than simple conclusions warrant.
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I don't like the vocabulary of this article. Who are those "less educated white voters"? What, miners, firemen, factory workers, truck drivers, railway engineers, letter carriers? Oh, them people. I think we used to have a more respectful name, like "blue collar", someone who works for a living.
I may be one of those Republican Democrats, at least after being betrayed for eight years of giving the country over to self-appointed Mandarins, corporate swells, outsourcers, Wall Street thieves and a flood of illegal aliens, H1B's and immigrants who can't speak English and want to live under religious law. College savings for my sons and health insurance for me after good housing and food are quickly becoming unaffordable.
One thing's for sure. I would sooner have my eyes poked out than vote for Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton and another Clinton co-presidency. Am I angry enough to vote for Trump? I might be. What I really want is a competent, experienced moderate, Democrat or Republican, but there don't seem to be any. I might vote for Bernie because he's decent, but for me and many millions of others, it's anybody but Hilary - anybody.
I may be one of those Republican Democrats, at least after being betrayed for eight years of giving the country over to self-appointed Mandarins, corporate swells, outsourcers, Wall Street thieves and a flood of illegal aliens, H1B's and immigrants who can't speak English and want to live under religious law. College savings for my sons and health insurance for me after good housing and food are quickly becoming unaffordable.
One thing's for sure. I would sooner have my eyes poked out than vote for Mrs. William Jefferson Clinton and another Clinton co-presidency. Am I angry enough to vote for Trump? I might be. What I really want is a competent, experienced moderate, Democrat or Republican, but there don't seem to be any. I might vote for Bernie because he's decent, but for me and many millions of others, it's anybody but Hilary - anybody.
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I can understand all of these points except illegal aliens. " self-appointed Mandarins, corporate swells, outsourcers, Wall Street thieves and a flood of illegal aliens, H1B's and immigrants who can't speak English and want to live under religious law." Because you can kick every illegal out these country and nothing will change in your life, nothing. Stop scapegoating please! An illegal alien is a person just like you. They are part of the backbone of the economy.
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This may be the most weird NYT article of the entire year. Having an agenda is one thing. Connecting such absurdly unrelated dots trying to influence the reader is another.
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One of the charms of a demagogue is that the lazy and ignorant believe their leader will make special provisions for them, because they are part of his select club - while the "unworthy" (aka minorities) will finally be forced to work to support them.
Not surprising to see the correlation to racist google searches. Nor is it surprising that there is a healthy overlap of Trump fever in states that receive more of our federal tax dollars than they kick in. No one clambers aboard a strongman's boat faster than feckless bigots and entitled freeloaders.
Not surprising to see the correlation to racist google searches. Nor is it surprising that there is a healthy overlap of Trump fever in states that receive more of our federal tax dollars than they kick in. No one clambers aboard a strongman's boat faster than feckless bigots and entitled freeloaders.
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Oops, NY seems to have a lot of Trump support. I no dinna think it receives more from US.gov than the state sends.
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I think we all need to remember that the president is elected as "one of us," in contrast to the Divine Right of Kings. This, along with a system of checks and balances, doesn't make Donald Trump a particularly nefarious individual. Granted in our contemporary world of reality television where he has reigned supreme, many may look askance or grimace at his less-than-sensitive pronouncements.
I recently read David Herbert Donald's "Lincoln." Lincoln stumbled and bumbled when he first took office and it wasn't until 1863 that he even began to catch his stride. Many would say Kennedy, Clinton and Obama were additional examples. The fact is that the person with the overall best resume to serve as our next president is Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately for her, many people do not trust her. Trump, on the other hand, began visiting Iowa in 2013 because he was fed up with Obama and has the ego necessary to run for president. He is hardly a dummy and likely wouldn't have stepped into this race had he not wanted to seriously "make America great again."
People will decide whether or not he deserves to be our next president, is a demagogue or anti-everyone he doesn't like. Statistics can help us understand patterns of support, but they cannot measure the gut of the American voter on election day. May the best individual win!
I recently read David Herbert Donald's "Lincoln." Lincoln stumbled and bumbled when he first took office and it wasn't until 1863 that he even began to catch his stride. Many would say Kennedy, Clinton and Obama were additional examples. The fact is that the person with the overall best resume to serve as our next president is Hillary Clinton. Unfortunately for her, many people do not trust her. Trump, on the other hand, began visiting Iowa in 2013 because he was fed up with Obama and has the ego necessary to run for president. He is hardly a dummy and likely wouldn't have stepped into this race had he not wanted to seriously "make America great again."
People will decide whether or not he deserves to be our next president, is a demagogue or anti-everyone he doesn't like. Statistics can help us understand patterns of support, but they cannot measure the gut of the American voter on election day. May the best individual win!
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You are talking about the king of the 'birthers' in the same breath as Abraham Lincoln?
May God preserve us.
May God preserve us.
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"His very best voters are self-identified Republicans who nonetheless are registered as Democrats. It’s a coalition that’s concentrated in the South, Appalachia and the industrial North."
My diagnosis of America's most urgent problem: the plight of the working class. Jobs have disappeared. If our country is to be healthy, the working class needs support. My guess is that the areas of the quote above are places where the concentration of working class people is high.
I'd like to see protectionist trade policies, and a large scale federal jobs program put in place to help them. Of all the Republicans, Trump seems most likely to help the working class.
Now, the people in that group often do not seem like desirable drinking buddies to NYT readers. They may easily come across as nativist or racist. It is not like I want to hang out with people with those characteristics myself.
But I still say, that is the group of people in our society where investment is most urgent. Bernie Sanders would offer help to this part of society also, but the imagery around him blinds them to his attractions. Trump articulates their pain in language they understand and respond to, like it or not. They like the blunt bully thing, and are going to be vulnerable to a Republican attack message that Sanders is a 'hippy socialist'.
If you want to help the people, you have to know who they are...and like it or not, we can see that they do like Trump.
My diagnosis of America's most urgent problem: the plight of the working class. Jobs have disappeared. If our country is to be healthy, the working class needs support. My guess is that the areas of the quote above are places where the concentration of working class people is high.
I'd like to see protectionist trade policies, and a large scale federal jobs program put in place to help them. Of all the Republicans, Trump seems most likely to help the working class.
Now, the people in that group often do not seem like desirable drinking buddies to NYT readers. They may easily come across as nativist or racist. It is not like I want to hang out with people with those characteristics myself.
But I still say, that is the group of people in our society where investment is most urgent. Bernie Sanders would offer help to this part of society also, but the imagery around him blinds them to his attractions. Trump articulates their pain in language they understand and respond to, like it or not. They like the blunt bully thing, and are going to be vulnerable to a Republican attack message that Sanders is a 'hippy socialist'.
If you want to help the people, you have to know who they are...and like it or not, we can see that they do like Trump.
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One way to create jobs in the US and invest in our future is for the Fed Gvt to invest in repairing our infrastructure to the point where it gets an A from the society of civil engineers, AND then go forth and bring it up to 21st technology. I know, ooooh! that will increase the deficit! BUT, ya know what, if you want to comapre a family budget to a national one, then think about borrowing money to buy a home, and then, maybe, borrowing again, to enhance it's efficiency, or resale value.
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Reading recent comments what little faith I had in the electorate was wiped out.
As for Nate's map you know it's bogus at first glance.
As for Nate's map you know it's bogus at first glance.
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An,
If I drew the map in my head it would look very much like Nate's map. What am I missing?
If I drew the map in my head it would look very much like Nate's map. What am I missing?
I'm not big on conspiracy theories but I still can't quite shake the feeling that maybe Trump's run for president really is being "staged" to destroy what's left of the pathetic Republican Party and propel unpalatable Hillary in to office.
They're both master manipulator so. Why not?
What's in it for Trump? who knows? If nothing else he's having a ball.
They're both master manipulator so. Why not?
What's in it for Trump? who knows? If nothing else he's having a ball.
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Donald Trump is not as popular as the ruling political class is unpopular... the personification of electorate's dissatisfaction. The question they ask is this. Can he possibly be any worse than what we already have? The answer? He can't.
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As Bush proved, he certainly can.
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The most intriguing thing about the article is the interactive map. Trump's campaign is playing to nativism, specifically hips plan to put a wall on the southern border. But what do we find? In the congressional districts on the border with Mexico, his support is weakest. Including the northern border, New York, New Hampshire, and Michigan seem to be the only border states where he has strong support. Will he have to change his message in border states that aren't as receptive? What about the general election? What does it say when the people keenest to close the border are usually far away from it?
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Forgive me for being sentimental, but this evening provided me with a moment of clarity that was in such stark contrast to this grotesque presidential campaign that I was moved to pass it along. I took a stroll through Georgetown Waterfront Park and found my way over to the Lincoln Memorial. I was thinking - no, I was fuming - about the lack of integrity on Capitol Hill and the wholly unqualified group of candidates who think they're worthy of walking in Lincoln's footsteps. Amid the little children and their adoring parents, I stopped and read Lincoln's Gettysburg Address. I thought to myself that members of Congress should be made to read these words as they begin each day. Words that Trump and the other clowns could never understand; words that reflect a decency so far removed from the fearful and ignorant. So, Happy New Year to all, and here's hoping we the people honor these words if the fools will not.
`It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.'
`It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us—that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion—that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain—that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom—and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.'
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Trump supporters look like neighbors of the Duck Dynasty family.
Hillbillies ,I really don't want to insult all hill people. I certain some are very smart!
This crowd needs more than a common core education, how about a world class global education! Opps I forgot that's only for the wealthy Republican children. Trump supporters vote against their own self interest when presented with prejudiced jaded jargon.
Hillbillies ,I really don't want to insult all hill people. I certain some are very smart!
This crowd needs more than a common core education, how about a world class global education! Opps I forgot that's only for the wealthy Republican children. Trump supporters vote against their own self interest when presented with prejudiced jaded jargon.
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Seems to me Trump supporters are those who lost the most during the recession, their jobs, homes and yes their Ford trucks. Being poor, less educated, white and old doesn't make them less of an American than the rich who have benefited from the recession. Not a supporter of Trump but he is saying publically what people have been discussing among themselves and friends for a long time. The peasants with the pitch forks and torches are on the move, the establishment Republicans and Democrats better watch out!
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Tact, diplomacy, and emotional intelligence are three skills necessary for a presidential candidate. None of this is remotely Donald Trump. What we have here is a demagogue bent on stirring up and pandering to the anger of the American public to serve his own narcissistic agenda. Wow to those who vote for him - you may get more than you bargained for - a nation at war with the world and, unfortunately, with itself.
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Watching Obama supporters clinging to faded "yes we can" posters as leaders around the world continue to turn the page...Trump getting nearly 50 times the news coverage in Europe as Obama...desperate liberal hacks trying in vain to stop Trump's momentum by insulting his supporters, many like me who are better educated, with more degrees and accomplishments--2016 will be a fun year. Our long national nightmare ending with the election of a new president.
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Your nightmare will be just beginning.
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I keep reading about anger driving Trump support, and I keep wondering what the nature of that anger is. The economy is doing better, the image of USA abroad has changed for the better, civil liberties have made a significant gain in just the past few years, Iran deal is underway, you're hundreds of times more likely to die in a car accident than in an ISIS-inspired plot, debt is shrinking, illegal immigration at all time low and deportations at an all time high. In the meantime, we have someone who is very "honest", and also incompetent, bigoted, ego-maniacal, and simplistic drawing from all that anger and frustration. But he cannot be any more delusional than the source of all that anger, can he be? I'm getting the feeling that 15-20% of this country is always angry at something, and Trump is very good at posing as the solution to that something...
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The anger is that a black man has been president for 7 years and FOX and talk radio have told their audiences that that black man is responsible for their every problem. So much for post-racist America!
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What does it say when you're worried that your strongest supporters won't go to vote? Because your strongest supporters are such dodgy citizens? Such poor Americans? No sense of civic participation? Lazy morons?
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Anything but the liberal nonsense being peddled by the Democrats.
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Obama was voted in by uninformed uneducated college students with pie in the sky aspirations. As a blue collar worker, and knowing lots of blue collar workers, our wages saw zero improvement with 8 years of Obama. So why should we worry about Trump? Our situation can only get better since we only make a few dollars over minimum wage anyway.
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Wages are stagnant because of income inequality (all the money being sucked upwards), billionaires and corporations paying nothing in taxes, high unemployment, jobs and investment dollars going overseas, no unions to protect blue collar and working class people, and a Republican Party totally beholden to .1% . Obama is not problem and never was. Obama won by 10 million votes in 2008 and in 2012 after 4 years of relentless harsh press coverage still won by 5 million. So, not just college students.
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Your wages started flattening out 30 years ago, Mr. Duh.
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I think he expresses frustration with government, and with trying to understand complex problems. His supporters are the kids who quit halfway through the test and just guess so they can be done and draw pictures for a while. The only real polls are at the polling booth.
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Trump supporters don't want Trump as a president. He's just a mouthpiece for their anger...and a little entertainment. They may be dumb but they're not stupid.
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I am still looking for change, and will be switching sides.....to republican. I am still angry with Obama for making a "back room" deal with pharmecuetical companies so that Medicare cannot negotiate for the lowest price drug inventories. Not to be outdone, our do-nothing congress slipped into the new budget, an elimination of the 3% medical device tax that was previously bargained to help pay for Obamacare. I will vote for Donald Trump if he is the nominee. He is a bit cra-cra and his cabinet should be a group to help him. Politicians just cannot get the job anymore and it has been that way for a long time. If not the nominee, I would vote for Cruze.
How could anyone vote for another Clinton or vote for a third Bush. It will not be just the blue collar workers voting for Trump, there will be millions of Demz trading up.
How could anyone vote for another Clinton or vote for a third Bush. It will not be just the blue collar workers voting for Trump, there will be millions of Demz trading up.
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You realize, don't you, that the deal that upset you so much was made because of unreasonable and intransigent GOP demands?
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Please inform yourself. The Medicare Part-D prescription plan was pushed through by Republicans during the Bush administration. By law the federal government is not permitted to negotiate prices of drugs with the drug companies for Medicare, as federal agencies do in other programs.
The Congressman who negotiated this nonnegotiable price travesty, Billy Tauzin, R-La., retired soon after and took a $2 million a year job as president of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the main industry lobbying group. Fourteen Congressional aides, most of them Republican, quit their jobs to work for the drug and medical lobbies immediately after the bill's passage.
The Congressman who negotiated this nonnegotiable price travesty, Billy Tauzin, R-La., retired soon after and took a $2 million a year job as president of Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the main industry lobbying group. Fourteen Congressional aides, most of them Republican, quit their jobs to work for the drug and medical lobbies immediately after the bill's passage.
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You are angry with the wrong person. Obama did no such "back room" deal. All of this was setup by your do-nothing Congress.
This lack of Medicare not being able to negotiate prices has been around since Medicare Part D was born in 2006 - fully two years before Obama was even elected:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/washington/18cnd-medicare.html
The bill mentioned in the 2007 article above was advanced by Democrats, defeated by Republicans and, even if had passed, would have been vetoed by Bush.
The pharmaceutical lobby is very powerful in Washington. Almost as powerful as the NRA.
This lack of Medicare not being able to negotiate prices has been around since Medicare Part D was born in 2006 - fully two years before Obama was even elected:
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/18/washington/18cnd-medicare.html
The bill mentioned in the 2007 article above was advanced by Democrats, defeated by Republicans and, even if had passed, would have been vetoed by Bush.
The pharmaceutical lobby is very powerful in Washington. Almost as powerful as the NRA.
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To all who dismiss Trump as a clown/jerk/whatever, one question has to be asked and answered. Could he possibility worse as president than any of the other Republican candidates? Think about it. I ask this question as a 73 year old independent who usually votes Democratic. To me the answer is no, he could not be worse, actually quite a bit better.
Can't wait until November to see how this all unfolds.
Can't wait until November to see how this all unfolds.
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Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Rand Paul....
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My Christmas conversation with my democrat Lesbian sister-in laws is everyone we know in Georgia is crossing over to vote in the Georgia Primary on Super Tuesday, because no one can imagine Cruz, Rubio, Huckabee or another Bush. If you look at the record Trump is not anti Gay, he is not going to take away Rowe vs Wade. He is not going to take away stem cell research. He is a businessman not a Religous zealot. His daughter converted to Judasim for her marriage. The legal Hispanic friends we have that work for corporate America have the same position Trump does on deportation, after all those who came legally or were born in Puerto Rico are sick of all the identity fraud, by the illegals. We are all fed up with male dominated religions that force women to be subservient and wear veils. If you want to come west then adopt the western culture. If we come to your country we abide by your customs. freedom of religion is not freedom to hate whether you are Muslim or Christian.
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I am a Democrat and have been as far back as I can recall, yet I find myself agreeing with Trump much of the time. I have friends Rep or Dem that also find Trump to be a viable candidate.
All of the above-mentioned are well-educated successful professionals and we are of sound mind and body. I am not aware of Trump's racist comments unless his desire to deport illegal immigrants is considered racist. Now the SCOTUS Scalia's comment related to what colleges minorities should attend is clearly racist and he is on the highest bench which is of course abominable.
I am a subscriber and have been posting here for years and I am baffled and offended when the majority of the "recommended" keep referring to those who are interested in Trump as being poor, uneducated, racist evangelicals of which I and my friends are not.
At least Trump is his own man and not beholden to Big Donors. The same could be said for Bernie. You folks are in for a surprise if you think you know the demographics of potential Trump voters. And no, I was not raised in the South either.
All of the above-mentioned are well-educated successful professionals and we are of sound mind and body. I am not aware of Trump's racist comments unless his desire to deport illegal immigrants is considered racist. Now the SCOTUS Scalia's comment related to what colleges minorities should attend is clearly racist and he is on the highest bench which is of course abominable.
I am a subscriber and have been posting here for years and I am baffled and offended when the majority of the "recommended" keep referring to those who are interested in Trump as being poor, uneducated, racist evangelicals of which I and my friends are not.
At least Trump is his own man and not beholden to Big Donors. The same could be said for Bernie. You folks are in for a surprise if you think you know the demographics of potential Trump voters. And no, I was not raised in the South either.
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Absolutely agree. Trump's appeal lies in expressing what many think but have been cowed into not saying - mass illegal immigration by unskilled people who don't share the same values is destroying the US social fabric and economy. Believing that does not make you a racist.
My problem with Trump is that he is of the class that has created the problem. Poor immigrants = cheap labour = higher profits works well for those with capital. Those native born working class folk who in the good ol' days could find jobs, go on holiday, send their kids to college and live the American dream are now collateral damage.
My problem with Trump is that he is of the class that has created the problem. Poor immigrants = cheap labour = higher profits works well for those with capital. Those native born working class folk who in the good ol' days could find jobs, go on holiday, send their kids to college and live the American dream are now collateral damage.
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Saying that immigrants from Mexico are rapists, drug dealers and criminals is racist. Trump's campaign has spent more donor money than Trump money so far in the campaign, so the "he owes no one" shtick is just that, a tawdry trick. I would ask that you look into his positions more carefully before arguing that he is not racist (or cares about the middle class, would not make relations with the Middle East worse, would improve the relations between police forces and the public, and a million other of his intolerant and unhelpful positions).
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Bernie is going to be the Democratic nominee for President. If Trump is the Republican nominee, Bernie says he will easily take him on.So far, Bernie is the only candidate of either party that has successfully taken Trump on.
Bernie has a very well developed program to re-establishing the strength of the middle class.
Trump just has good criticisms of what needs fixing but he has only delusional one line solutions.
Bernie has a very well developed program to re-establishing the strength of the middle class.
Trump just has good criticisms of what needs fixing but he has only delusional one line solutions.
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I have voted for democrats all along, but this time I am going with Trump. Obama is a total disappointment; he never seems to keep his word, never follows the law and works against the constitution. He said that his administration would be the most transparent we have seen so far and that has turned out to be a big lie. He is a man without a backbone and devoid of guts always opting to lead from behind, so much so that Putin is doing a better job in Syria than our spineless POTUS. He has made a mess of our healthcare which he calls Affordable Healthcare. Ever since it was enacted, the insurance premiums have shot up making it anything but affordable. Get the POTUS out of here ASAP so that our country recovers and regains its past glory. I can see Trump doing a much better job, being a successful businessman and a man of sheer guts who will be able to take on the barbaric Islamic terrorists and send shivers down the spine of members of their community that harbor and abet them. I hate Obama's politically correct talk which considers terrorist acts as workplace violence. Trump's straight talk impresses me and I am sure he will do a fine job to keep us safe.
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Obama "never follows the law"? Can you give an example of a time he DIDN'T follow the law? Insurance premiums have not risen here at the rate they did before the ACA. Are you sure yours have? How can you call a man a "successful businessman" when he started with $100 million and effectively reduced that capital through bad decisions, while at the same time enriching himself at the expense of people who completed work or provided materials for him and never got paid? I am really mystified by your statements and would love to hear more about your beliefs.
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Are you on The Donald's payroll?
You say you have voted for democrats all along. Why? Your points look like they came right straight from Frank Luntz, the Republican word-smith. I don't think you are fooling anyone, Trump or no Trump.
You say you have voted for democrats all along. Why? Your points look like they came right straight from Frank Luntz, the Republican word-smith. I don't think you are fooling anyone, Trump or no Trump.
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Oh great!!! Trump will insult ISIS into defeat, will he!? Trump is nothing but a bragging, odious loudmouth, devoid of nuance, diplomacy or tact. He has no idea how to solve the problems we face. And the idea of his fat fingers anywhere near the 'red button' is horrifying.
From Day 1, Pres. Obama faced a do-nothing congress, bound and determined to force his failure every step of the way. That he has accomplished as much as he has, is miraculous...were he a Republican they'd already have his face on a monument.
From Day 1, Pres. Obama faced a do-nothing congress, bound and determined to force his failure every step of the way. That he has accomplished as much as he has, is miraculous...were he a Republican they'd already have his face on a monument.
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Who would have known that white men were so stupid. I guess as the esteemed "philosopher" Yancey writes it is a function of being white, much like all white folk are racist as a virtue of being white.
With those positions is it any wonder there is white flight from the Democrat party?
With those positions is it any wonder there is white flight from the Democrat party?
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The Republican party as the theory goes, dupes people into voting against their economic interests by triggering outrage on cultural issues.
"Vote for us and we'll protect the American flag!" say the Republicans. We'll make English the official language of the United States! And most importantly, we'll prevent gay people from threatening your marriage when they … marry! Along the way we'll cut taxes on the rich, cut benefits for the poor, and allow industries to dump their waste into your drinking water, but never mind that. Donald Trump is waving the Republican flag.
The Democrats, in contrast, have tried to win voters' hearts by promising to protect or expand programs for elderly people, young people, students,
poor people and the middle class. Vote for us and we'll use government to take care of everyone! But most Americans don't want to live in a nation based primarily on caring. That's what families are for.
In the current environment, when people fear the collapse of their society, they want order and national greatness, not a more nurturing government.
When working-class people vote conservative, as most do in the US, they are not voting against their self-interest; they are voting for their moral interest.
Despite being in the wake of a financial crisis that, if the duping theorists were correct, should have buried the cultural issues and pulled most voters to the left, we are finding in America a stronger shift to the right.
"Vote for us and we'll protect the American flag!" say the Republicans. We'll make English the official language of the United States! And most importantly, we'll prevent gay people from threatening your marriage when they … marry! Along the way we'll cut taxes on the rich, cut benefits for the poor, and allow industries to dump their waste into your drinking water, but never mind that. Donald Trump is waving the Republican flag.
The Democrats, in contrast, have tried to win voters' hearts by promising to protect or expand programs for elderly people, young people, students,
poor people and the middle class. Vote for us and we'll use government to take care of everyone! But most Americans don't want to live in a nation based primarily on caring. That's what families are for.
In the current environment, when people fear the collapse of their society, they want order and national greatness, not a more nurturing government.
When working-class people vote conservative, as most do in the US, they are not voting against their self-interest; they are voting for their moral interest.
Despite being in the wake of a financial crisis that, if the duping theorists were correct, should have buried the cultural issues and pulled most voters to the left, we are finding in America a stronger shift to the right.
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What "moral interest" does Trump represent? Stealing from others via bankruptcy? Multiple divorces? Making it very clear he wants to bang his own daughter? A serious question.
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Trump supporter in blue Seattle. And I voted for Obama.
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I've been seeing this all day!
Trump supporters all over the nation.
Love my country!
Trump supporters all over the nation.
Love my country!
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I wish you'd give us your reasoning, briefly. It would be interesting to know.
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You're not alone.
I live in the other Washington (DC) and I'm a Trump supporter.
I live in the other Washington (DC) and I'm a Trump supporter.
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This is an insulting and absurd piece. Talk about having an agenda. What trash! Why not draw paralells between states where Hillary support is strong and Google searches on food stamps.
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So basically, Trump appeals to the rural white racists Republicans have been targeting since 1968. What a surprise.
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It never ceases to amaze me how the majority of NYT commenters are so cruel, dismissive, and hateful towards poor whites. They mock their lack of education, values, ignorance, motives, and more. On the other hand, when it comes to poor blacks, they would never dream of mocking them (and they shouldn't). Why the difference?
#BlackLivesMatter. Certainly. #PoorPeopleToo. Yes? No? Maybe? From most of the comments I read on these pages, it seems that the middle answer goes if the poor are white. Why is it that so few commenters show compassion for 75% of the poor people in America? (31M Whites and 10M Blacks live below poverty line, per US Census.)
Bernie doesn't talk down to poor whites. And neither should any fair minded progressive. As my young daughter would scream when vexed by something she found objectionable: "Stop it! Stop it! Stop it!"
#BlackLivesMatter. Certainly. #PoorPeopleToo. Yes? No? Maybe? From most of the comments I read on these pages, it seems that the middle answer goes if the poor are white. Why is it that so few commenters show compassion for 75% of the poor people in America? (31M Whites and 10M Blacks live below poverty line, per US Census.)
Bernie doesn't talk down to poor whites. And neither should any fair minded progressive. As my young daughter would scream when vexed by something she found objectionable: "Stop it! Stop it! Stop it!"
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Please quit covering anything about Trump. There are many good people who would (or do) run for president if the conditions are right, but they are given no attention. Even Bernie Sanders, who is talking a refreshing brand of sense and goodwill, is virtually ignored. Trump: This hateful, stupid, frightening man deserves no time at all. We don't have to be "warned" against fascists; just don't give them the time of day.
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Kind of odd that that the only two states solid red (highest % for Trump) states are Mississippi and New York State. Racism, if this article is to be believed.
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Trump is a nationalist. He supports a strong American nation, which is why he is opposed to destroying the livelihoods of average Americans with imported labor, and why he opposes asking them to sacrifice their lives for the sake of foreign adventurism in the service of the corporate class. I'd never vote for him for various other reasons, but Trump is far more concerned with the welfare of the average American than any of the other candidates. The bourgeois readers of the New York Times are only too eager to dismiss him as a buffoon but they're only half right about him. Trump may not always effectively articulate his love for the people of this country, but I'm convinced he genuinely cares for the common people. I could never say the same about the 1%ers, Democrat and Republican versions both, who despise the rest of their countrymen so much, and who are only too eager to see the country burned to the ground in the name of their god, the almighty dollar.
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Trump employs MANY low-paid and undocumented workers on his job sites, so he is not in favor of protecting American jobs. He has stated that Americans are paid too much and there should not be a raise in the minimum wage (or even a minimum wage, in line with the GOP platform). As for his love for the average American -- what has he promised that makes you believe he cares? He has stated he will lower taxes on the wealthy. I must be missing something.
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So deporting 12 million people is what's best for America?
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...why don't you ask the unskilled, low-wage American earners who are primarily black, being forced to compete with unskilled, low-wage no background check-having illegal aliens. There's your answer. Now, Google Barbara Jordan, black activist and her comments on ALL immigration. Hint: It's not politically correct in 2015.
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Rather than A "Particular" kind of Democrat I think A "Peculiar" kind of Democrat would have said it more accurately.
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"His very best voters are self-identified Republicans who nonetheless are registered as Democrats."
I guess the trick is finding someone who is dumb enough to want to vote for Trump but not so dumb that they vote for Hillary by mistake. Someone who registered for the wrong party is not is not a good candidate for the later.
Its not enough to have people who want to vote for you. They also have to pull the right lever or blacken the right box.
I guess the trick is finding someone who is dumb enough to want to vote for Trump but not so dumb that they vote for Hillary by mistake. Someone who registered for the wrong party is not is not a good candidate for the later.
Its not enough to have people who want to vote for you. They also have to pull the right lever or blacken the right box.
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When it comes to Trump and Clinton, he's the lesser of the two evils. She is for regime change in Muslim lands, he's not that happy with all the invasions. She been behind the deaths of many Muslims, he just wants to keep them out. Plus, he gotta be more authentic than Hillary. Vote Trump, he'll keep keep us out war.
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Donald's popularity is greatly influenced by Hillary's lack of it .
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Who you calling ignorant?
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Donald Trump's popularity is a direct response to the Obama imperial presidency. President Obama has used executive orders and "discretionary" prosecution to negate laws that have been validated in federal court. He is a "soft" dictator who has engendered a "hard" dictator, Donald Trump.
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Please check your facts: http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/executiveorders.asp
It is truly alarming to read the disinformation in so many of these comments. Our country is divided by the media we consume, some of which is filled with clever propaganda (lots is straight-up biased and untrue, but at least you can usually tell with the over-the-top claims.
It is truly alarming to read the disinformation in so many of these comments. Our country is divided by the media we consume, some of which is filled with clever propaganda (lots is straight-up biased and untrue, but at least you can usually tell with the over-the-top claims.
Hm. 538, The American Presidency Project, has real numbers that might surprise you, JMAN.
Orders per year in office by President:
Obama (through Oct, 2014): 33.6 executive orders
George W. Bush: 36.4
Ronald Reagan: 47.6
Herbert Hoover: 242
FDR: 290.6
Dwight Eisenhower: 60.5
I could go on and on. From Theodore Roosevelt through Harry Truman, the minimum number per year per President was 144.7.
President Obama has issued fewer Executive Orders than most modern day Presidents in the past 115 years.
All Presidents and Attorneys General use discretionary prosecution for a variety of reasons.
You, sir, are buying into propaganda that conflicts with facts. But then truth and facts don't seem to matter when you just plain don't like somebody. . .maybe just maybe because his skin is black?
Orders per year in office by President:
Obama (through Oct, 2014): 33.6 executive orders
George W. Bush: 36.4
Ronald Reagan: 47.6
Herbert Hoover: 242
FDR: 290.6
Dwight Eisenhower: 60.5
I could go on and on. From Theodore Roosevelt through Harry Truman, the minimum number per year per President was 144.7.
President Obama has issued fewer Executive Orders than most modern day Presidents in the past 115 years.
All Presidents and Attorneys General use discretionary prosecution for a variety of reasons.
You, sir, are buying into propaganda that conflicts with facts. But then truth and facts don't seem to matter when you just plain don't like somebody. . .maybe just maybe because his skin is black?
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Reminds me of a pundit's remark I heard the other day - Trump supporters think Duck Dynasty is a think tank.
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'A Face in the Crowd' (1957) "Dark Night of the Soul" scene
A radio/TV host (Andy Griffith/Donald Trump) drunk with power aspires to sway and control the masses for a Senator running for POTUS. His longtime producer/girlfriend (Patricia Neal/Melania Knauss) finally sees the problem with the personality she has created. Spot on! The director... Elia Kazan - who expressed no regrets for 'naming names'.
All you 'rally-around-the-flag' hawks; you're voting for a 'Commander-in-Chief' who played two college varsity sports, yet used a 'flat foot' medical deferment to dodge the draft; a foot that he can't recall having been left or right and who likes veterans who aren't 'shot down' and become POW's. Exercise your right to vote, but know you are on the wrong side of morality, ethics... and history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaLQMs_VDLw
A radio/TV host (Andy Griffith/Donald Trump) drunk with power aspires to sway and control the masses for a Senator running for POTUS. His longtime producer/girlfriend (Patricia Neal/Melania Knauss) finally sees the problem with the personality she has created. Spot on! The director... Elia Kazan - who expressed no regrets for 'naming names'.
All you 'rally-around-the-flag' hawks; you're voting for a 'Commander-in-Chief' who played two college varsity sports, yet used a 'flat foot' medical deferment to dodge the draft; a foot that he can't recall having been left or right and who likes veterans who aren't 'shot down' and become POW's. Exercise your right to vote, but know you are on the wrong side of morality, ethics... and history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XaLQMs_VDLw
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Nate. Really? I disagree with most of this but I will focus on your map comparison, which is misleading to say the least. The Google search data on racially charged searches is from 2004 - 2007, which as of tonight is at least 9 years old. That is being compared to where Trump has the greatest lead in 2015? First of all no correlation is calculated. At least put in the effort to do that. It also appears that there are many very dark Trump areas, that are very light on the racial map (Oregon district 04) and vice versa (Washingon district 04). According to your map it looks like New York, Florida have a lot of racist searches. Guess what Hillary Clinton's lead is there for the democratic nomination? +47, +41. North Carolina and Louisiana are pretty dark. Hillary's numbers there are +37, +36. Her national average lead is only +24. I guess you would then say that this does not "prove that most or even many of [her] supporters are motivated by racial animus." But it doesn't "disprove" that either, does it? I guess you see where I am going with this right? Besides from this type of "reporting" being misleading, I think it will have unintended consequences for Democrats. Essentially, you are just motivating the "racist", "uneducated" "less affluent" whites to go out and vote by insulting them continuously. You are also providing fuel to anti-media rhetoric. Perhaps you are letting your own affluenza conflate your better judgment.
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There's another explanation, of course. Many people in the Midwest and south are registered Democrats who generally vote Democratic at the state and local level. That is because Democratic candidates here tend to be centrist and reasonable (think Jim Webb, as opposed to Elizabeth Warren.) Lots of these voters will choose Republicans at the national level though, because the Democratic Party at the national level is too far to the left for their liking.
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For Baldy Trump--Uneducated, redneck (in any state), bigots, who actually believe we have a democracy and the rich care about anything but money.
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I think stupid Americans deserve to have Trump as President. They need a real lesson they will never forget.
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That is too expensive a lesson for me to contemplate. Why should the rest of us suffer?
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I hate mankind, for I think myself one of the best of them, and I know how bad I am."
Samuel Johnson
Samuel Johnson
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This guy is extremely naïve if he thinks that the race factor influenced less than 4% of the vote in the last Presidential election. In my travels over the last few years in Appalachia and the Southeast, I don't think I have had a single conversation about President Obama when the other party didn't bring up the matter of his race. These were largely middle class voters, few of whom voted for him. Given the entrenched attitudes of a large portion of the American electorate on racial matters, it is an absolute miracle that Obama has been our President for nearly two whole terms. Meanwhile, Nate needs to get out of New York City once in a while. Alternatively, the NYT might assign him a handler with a little street wisdom.
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The Donald's voters need to realize that just because they are white doesn't mean that the 1% like The Donald care anything at all about them, in fact the 1% are mostly wealthy whites like Mitt Romney & The Donald who hire illegals for their cheap labor lowering overall wages as a result. Studies also show that con-men tend to find it easier to con those of their own race.
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Oh, I agree. But that's what led me to vote for Obama and what did that get me? Lousy health insurance, stagnant income and soaring unreported consumer inflation and an economy with no good opportunities for my sons. What's my choice now, "Hilary"? She's an even worse one percenter with all tens of millions her husband's foundation gets from the Gulf States.
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The quantity of ink dedicated to explaining Trump is emblematic of the fear Dems hold that anybody who calls himself a "Republican" will be elected president, giving Republicans undivided government -- technically if not really.
I write "technically" because Trump isn't a Republican: he's an opportunist. He also could as compellingly run as a moderate Democrat as he could a moderate Republican -- just go to his website and read his position papers. But if he’s elected, what’s likely to be the outcome?
Would he nominate a Scalia clone if necessary to replace Ginsburg? Unlikely. He’d cut a deal for Dem support for legislation he wants, and nominate another Kennedy – heck, he might even nominate Hillary. I would. Would he make a deadly serious effort at curtailing illegal immigration? Probably. So? At LEAST half of America would cheer him on unabashedly. Would he get the world straightened out? You bet he would, with all KINDS of deals that would stabilize it for trade. Would he be excessively green OR polluting? Probably neither, but he’d be certain to assure that the world got on board before we destroy OUR economy. Would he deregulate EVERYTHING? Probably not, but he’d certainly put brakes on agencies that seem resolved to destroy business in America: again, he’d cut deals with Dems.
The Donald might get Dems more under a Republican Congress than Hillary could. And imagine how entertaining those four years would be. No wonder he’s supported by a certain kind of Democrat.
I write "technically" because Trump isn't a Republican: he's an opportunist. He also could as compellingly run as a moderate Democrat as he could a moderate Republican -- just go to his website and read his position papers. But if he’s elected, what’s likely to be the outcome?
Would he nominate a Scalia clone if necessary to replace Ginsburg? Unlikely. He’d cut a deal for Dem support for legislation he wants, and nominate another Kennedy – heck, he might even nominate Hillary. I would. Would he make a deadly serious effort at curtailing illegal immigration? Probably. So? At LEAST half of America would cheer him on unabashedly. Would he get the world straightened out? You bet he would, with all KINDS of deals that would stabilize it for trade. Would he be excessively green OR polluting? Probably neither, but he’d be certain to assure that the world got on board before we destroy OUR economy. Would he deregulate EVERYTHING? Probably not, but he’d certainly put brakes on agencies that seem resolved to destroy business in America: again, he’d cut deals with Dems.
The Donald might get Dems more under a Republican Congress than Hillary could. And imagine how entertaining those four years would be. No wonder he’s supported by a certain kind of Democrat.
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Entertaining, I guess, if you were safe from harassment for your race (papers, please) or religion (up against the wall), and safe from the military draft that he'd need to "defeat our enemies worldwide", and safe from the taxes that would entail. Or perhaps he'd do none of those things he promises. Who knows, really, just what he would do. Entertaining? Maybe. Maybe not.
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Richard,
Today the wind was blowing in from the South. I took a deep breathe. It kind of smelled like morning in America.
I am no liberal. I kind of resent you attributing to me beliefs and attitudes I do not possess. You never respond honestly when you can deflect with obfuscation. You may be correct that Donald Trump is no ideologue and could easily represent himself as a left wing Democrat. But the Trump candidacy is a product 65 years of right wing propaganda built on vilifying the other to strengthen the fascist cause.
Trump is the chickens coming home to roost.
"Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful."
Samuel Johnson
I believe Trump to be a man of great knowledge and I believe you to be a man of integrity but I am an Atheist most of the time but I pray somewhere in America there is another Samuel Johnson. America is polarized and is the world's greatest danger not because of a lack of integrity on either side of your debate but because in the words of the Canadian poet Irving Layton "What power ignorance that makes your possessors seem so strong?"
Today the wind was blowing in from the South. I took a deep breathe. It kind of smelled like morning in America.
I am no liberal. I kind of resent you attributing to me beliefs and attitudes I do not possess. You never respond honestly when you can deflect with obfuscation. You may be correct that Donald Trump is no ideologue and could easily represent himself as a left wing Democrat. But the Trump candidacy is a product 65 years of right wing propaganda built on vilifying the other to strengthen the fascist cause.
Trump is the chickens coming home to roost.
"Integrity without knowledge is weak and useless, and knowledge without integrity is dangerous and dreadful."
Samuel Johnson
I believe Trump to be a man of great knowledge and I believe you to be a man of integrity but I am an Atheist most of the time but I pray somewhere in America there is another Samuel Johnson. America is polarized and is the world's greatest danger not because of a lack of integrity on either side of your debate but because in the words of the Canadian poet Irving Layton "What power ignorance that makes your possessors seem so strong?"
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Gosh, Richard, for someone who loathes The Donald (as was made clear in your earlier posts) you seem almost to have resigned yourself to the idea that this jackass could actually get himself elected. If that actually comes to pass it would mean that there are even more jackasses in this country than I had previously concluded.
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None of this is particularly surprising when you consider that the white working class feels sold out by both parties. They hold the Democrats in scorn for 'liberal' policies that they see giving preference to minorities and disadvantaging their own. They have bought into the GOP mantra of low taxes and small government because they think the government is now organized against them; that their jobs have been exported and opportunities vaporized by DC, and worse, that their tax dollars go to pay for people who aren't like them. But they also hold the GOP establishment in scorn because they are not blind and dumb hicks - despite what self-righteous readers of the NYT might like to believe. They can peer behind the curtain of the cultural wars and see that they are expected to die in the battlefields for the 1% who rule a country that no longer feels like their own in order to save it for people who have funny names and dark skin, and for the elite political and economic class that doesn't serve the nation, but is simply self-serving. No good will come of that, and Mr. Trump may only be the first...
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The working class doesn't "think" their jobs have been shipped overseas. They know it. When they resent the government giving money to people who are "not like them" it has nothing to do with race, at least in New England where I live.
When I hear working people talking about folks who are "not like us" it means people who are unwilling to work - basically anyone willing to take a hand-out instead of taking a jobs he thinks is beneath him or doesn't pay enough. Also people who don't take care of their families or stand by their spouse in hard times. And of course druggies.
When I hear working people talking about folks who are "not like us" it means people who are unwilling to work - basically anyone willing to take a hand-out instead of taking a jobs he thinks is beneath him or doesn't pay enough. Also people who don't take care of their families or stand by their spouse in hard times. And of course druggies.
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And Bernie Sander's strongest supporters are the GOP stalwarts who remember and long for a restoration by ANYONE of the integrity of Dwight David Eisenhower.
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What I would not give for a respectable moderate in the White House!
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As with many previous commenters I, too, am bemused by the media's attempt to paint a portrait of Trump supporters. I support Trump. 1) I have an advanced degree. 2) I am on the higher end of the economic spectrum 3) I am a registered Democrat living in New York City and Florida. 4) I always vote. Stick that in your pipe, Nate. And Happy New Year.
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Or you're not like the majority of Trump supporters. What surveys show is not a matter of opinion.
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Please read the transcripts of his speeches; perhaps his charming delivery is somehow masking the word salad.
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TRUMP is a low-class embarrassment. He is a dangerous demagogue who stokes fears.
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Intelligent Democrats, Sanders
Less intelligent Democrats, Trump
Those without a clue, Hillary
Ties to the numbers. Got it.
Less intelligent Democrats, Trump
Those without a clue, Hillary
Ties to the numbers. Got it.
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You nailed it!
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I still think that DT is a Democrat mole, either willingly or subconsciously programmed by WJC to run and totally disrupt the GOP for the benefit of HRC, her candidacy and eventual administration. I suspect he came up to Bill at a gathering, both in their cups, and asked how much he could donate to the Clinton foundation. Bill replied that if he wanted to leave a true legacy, he would run for POTUS. DT thought that would be a hoot. And it has been and will continue to be. To give the man his due, he has been very useful in surfacing the racism, sexism, and xenophobia in our society today. How/whether we deal with those impulses remains to be seen.
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The standard model of campaigning has been thrown out the window because of Trump, and I thank him for that- If you read is boastful book, "Art of the Deal," he specifically states to ask for more than you expect [to gain] during negotiations. His far flung proposals i.e. banning Muslims, mass deportations, a great wall- he doesn't seriously expect to accomplish this- but if succeeds in getting partial compromises or brokered outcomes- then he played everybody and won. It's quite brilliant actually.
Remember, the guy is a businessman and wants to be liked by everyone and the biggest threat to the GOP [from a Trump presidency] is the high probability that he will turn centrist once he's in office. Underneath his bullish bluster is a very sincere and caring person.. He's not going to divide the nation, that's just rhetoric from both parties trying to save their sinking ships- I believe Trump truly cares about the United States and the fact that I have grown so tired of conventional politicians- I'm willing to give the crazy man a try. What's the worst that can happen?
Remember, the guy is a businessman and wants to be liked by everyone and the biggest threat to the GOP [from a Trump presidency] is the high probability that he will turn centrist once he's in office. Underneath his bullish bluster is a very sincere and caring person.. He's not going to divide the nation, that's just rhetoric from both parties trying to save their sinking ships- I believe Trump truly cares about the United States and the fact that I have grown so tired of conventional politicians- I'm willing to give the crazy man a try. What's the worst that can happen?
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Before taking this analysis seriously, I would have to have a lot more information on how the researchers classify a comment as "racist". There was a time when the term "race" was applied (largely incorrectly) to the skin color and facial features of certain population groups. Happily, a majority of Americans now reject such vicious stereotyping. But activists and advocates for a most-modern, neo-Marxist nirvana have for some time been trying to transfer the righteous animus people have against racial bigots to anyone who is critical of the beliefs and policies of population groups and political movements who hold the West in contempt. Being critical of the habits and values of Chavista in Venezuela, Peronists in Argentina, and Islamic tyrants in Iran is not racism. It is common sense.
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Nate: Please for once stop being an statistician.
If you think that most Americans take all the 'standard positions' [Abortion, Israel, climate-change, unpaid-global-policeman etc], put the candidates on each position on a point-scale [like consumer reports], measure the distance from one's own position and declare the Chosen, then you are smoking some real real good stuff.
What most American do is ask themselves what issue hurts them most? To the working-class population, it is the effects of 'globalization' which to them is a sell-out. To them, anything foreign - be it goods or labor (Mexican 'undocumented' immigrants) is an anathema. Trump may be crazy yet his phrase 'Mexico is the China' is very very true.
Nate: Instead of sneering your nose at the 'lesser educated', consider this. Ford can manufacture its Truck in Maquilladora, Mexico and ship it to New York, New York paying half the wages and no import duty. And this good because it generates rising profit, wealth creation and fortifies macro-economic indicators. It is the American Worker who is shortchanged.
The 'standard model' is to vilify them as uneducated (as you have done here) or lazy (as GOP establishment does). But the truth is, Working Class [of all colors and stripes - pink slip has only one color - pink] is getting hit hard by the neoliberal economy.
Support of Trump is deep among working class. You can sneer at or vilify them. But that will not make them change their support.
If you think that most Americans take all the 'standard positions' [Abortion, Israel, climate-change, unpaid-global-policeman etc], put the candidates on each position on a point-scale [like consumer reports], measure the distance from one's own position and declare the Chosen, then you are smoking some real real good stuff.
What most American do is ask themselves what issue hurts them most? To the working-class population, it is the effects of 'globalization' which to them is a sell-out. To them, anything foreign - be it goods or labor (Mexican 'undocumented' immigrants) is an anathema. Trump may be crazy yet his phrase 'Mexico is the China' is very very true.
Nate: Instead of sneering your nose at the 'lesser educated', consider this. Ford can manufacture its Truck in Maquilladora, Mexico and ship it to New York, New York paying half the wages and no import duty. And this good because it generates rising profit, wealth creation and fortifies macro-economic indicators. It is the American Worker who is shortchanged.
The 'standard model' is to vilify them as uneducated (as you have done here) or lazy (as GOP establishment does). But the truth is, Working Class [of all colors and stripes - pink slip has only one color - pink] is getting hit hard by the neoliberal economy.
Support of Trump is deep among working class. You can sneer at or vilify them. But that will not make them change their support.
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So when things actually get worse and not better, will you then blame Obama yet again? Of course you will.
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Wow, Hillary and the Republican and Democrat establishments should be very worried that so many NY Times readers are willing to jump up to defend Trump and his "uneducated" supporters in this comment section (and others I've seen here).
Recall that study at the beginning of December that found people with college degrees were leery of announcing their support of Trump to live polls, but were more honest in anonymous surveys, raising his support by 10 percent.
It could be a fun 2016.
Recall that study at the beginning of December that found people with college degrees were leery of announcing their support of Trump to live polls, but were more honest in anonymous surveys, raising his support by 10 percent.
It could be a fun 2016.
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Bernie vs. Donnie... now there's a clear difference on which to vote.
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Capitalism versus Socialism? Hmmm. America is not going to elect a socialist. New Yorkers would elect a socialist, but New York is NOT America.
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"Less likely to register and vote" best describes Trump's most vociferous supporters. I so hope he wins the GOP primaries.
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Trump will get out his vote. People will vote when they have someone who represents their beliefs to vote for.
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Whatever Trump's strength in the polls, I can't see why voters should take him seriously as a candidate. If he were serious about running to win, he would spend several hundred million dollars of his own money to build an organization in states like Iowa, and he would advertise nationally. Perhaps he is too cheap, but I believe he is a salesman building his brand with other people's money.
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Trump supporters, individually and as a whole, are confused.
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I am an educated white voter. I work in advertising and I live in Manhattan. I know a great deal of people around me who will vote for Trump, as well as many in the very white and educated University Of Michigan enclave of Ann Arbor.
Here is s ample of educated voters on the East Coast and in the Midwest.
Here is s ample of educated voters on the East Coast and in the Midwest.
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Love Evangeline!
Obama liberals are getting desperate to label and marginalize Trump voters. You are an advertising exec in Manhattan, I'm a Black lawyer in Washington DC. We both support Donald Trump.
We are not the only ones.
Obama liberals are getting desperate to label and marginalize Trump voters. You are an advertising exec in Manhattan, I'm a Black lawyer in Washington DC. We both support Donald Trump.
We are not the only ones.
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Yes. One would think that more New Yorkers would appreciate what it took Trump to get where he is now. Try making it in Manhattan real estate. Look at the family he's raised. He's highly educated and one of the most successful businessmen anywhere, ever. Sure, he's got an ego, but so what. This is all on his dime and he's incredibly qualified to lead. It's amazing how ignorant and willfully blind half of the posts are on here.
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Evangeline
Why vote for Trump? I would be interested to hear your reasons.
Why vote for Trump? I would be interested to hear your reasons.
Interesting analysis, for what it's worth at this point. OTOH, party identification does not always translate to party participation (i.e. actually voting).
so, what is obvious here?
Trump is courting less educated, blue collar whites and the Democrats play footsie with less educated poor and blue collar blacks and Hispanics.
What is the problem here and why the whining?
Everyone is counting their own sheep and everyone is pandering to those who tend to not think for themselves and vote as sheep.
What is Trump doing so wrong?
Trump is courting less educated, blue collar whites and the Democrats play footsie with less educated poor and blue collar blacks and Hispanics.
What is the problem here and why the whining?
Everyone is counting their own sheep and everyone is pandering to those who tend to not think for themselves and vote as sheep.
What is Trump doing so wrong?
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Seriously? Since when has President of the United States become an entry level position? You would trust him with the nuclear codes? He wasn't even aware of the nuclear triad that makes up the arsenal until a journalist recently brought it up. And his bromance with Putin should give anyone with HALF an education take pause. At the least, it exposes his egomania and naivete. Suggest you read Trudy Rubin's latest column, it may persuade you to rethink your position.
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The article’s weak statistics support a weak conclusion and reflect the polling crisis.
The color map classifies Republican support for Trump in 3% increments, from 28-37%. That’s 9 points. Yet the poll’s margin of error is 8.7%. Although unlikely, a district with a measured 28% support for Trump could actually be at 37%, and vice versa.
Moving the mouse over the map showed percentages for individual Congressional districts, and gave a more nuanced view. Trump’s support ranged from 17-48%. Such a broad range should have been graphed with at least 2 more colors. In all NY districts, Trump’s support was at least 40%. In all Utah districts, his support was at most 22%.
11,000 interviews sounds like a lot, but, spread among 535 Congressional districts, averages 20 interviews per district, and districts average 600,000 people. No amount of “statistical modeling” that the article cites can make up for such an insignificant sample.
That Trump appeals more to the less-educated and lower-income is no surprise. That he has significant appeal to the more-educated and higher-income, who should know better, is also no surprise. Both Huey Long and George Wallace made poor whites feel that, no matter how poor they were, blacks were beneath them in social status, and made it clear to the better-educated and wealthy that his policies would best support their financial interests, among them, keeping poor whites and blacks divided.
Finally, “undecided” is still a major contender.
The color map classifies Republican support for Trump in 3% increments, from 28-37%. That’s 9 points. Yet the poll’s margin of error is 8.7%. Although unlikely, a district with a measured 28% support for Trump could actually be at 37%, and vice versa.
Moving the mouse over the map showed percentages for individual Congressional districts, and gave a more nuanced view. Trump’s support ranged from 17-48%. Such a broad range should have been graphed with at least 2 more colors. In all NY districts, Trump’s support was at least 40%. In all Utah districts, his support was at most 22%.
11,000 interviews sounds like a lot, but, spread among 535 Congressional districts, averages 20 interviews per district, and districts average 600,000 people. No amount of “statistical modeling” that the article cites can make up for such an insignificant sample.
That Trump appeals more to the less-educated and lower-income is no surprise. That he has significant appeal to the more-educated and higher-income, who should know better, is also no surprise. Both Huey Long and George Wallace made poor whites feel that, no matter how poor they were, blacks were beneath them in social status, and made it clear to the better-educated and wealthy that his policies would best support their financial interests, among them, keeping poor whites and blacks divided.
Finally, “undecided” is still a major contender.
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Give us Trump or Bernie--anybody but the rest of those bought and paid for stiffs.
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Shouldn't "racially charged internet searches" be charted on a per capita basis rather than on a volume basis? Doesn't the existing chart tend to skew towards higher population areas which originate larger numbers of internet searches? Just wondering whether, for example, New York State can really show the same racism profile as Mississippi, when only raw volume of searches is considered.
In contrast, the support for what's-his-name, our own mini-Putin, seems correctly charted as a percentage of all Republicans in the given area.
In contrast, the support for what's-his-name, our own mini-Putin, seems correctly charted as a percentage of all Republicans in the given area.
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I want to see more coverage about Bernie Sanders, especially because he's leading in most polls! Including in NH.
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I'm offended by the way the elitist progressives throw around unsubstantiated insults and sneer at the common working man. I'm a Vietnam Vet. I've done manual labor. I used the GI bill to get my bachelor's degree and later got a masters. I have had a good career in Silicon Valley. I know these common people that the progressive left sneers at. They are good people.
I recently registered as a Republican and I am voting for Donald J. Trump and I will make it to the caucus in my area.
I recently registered as a Republican and I am voting for Donald J. Trump and I will make it to the caucus in my area.
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I agree, Craig. The sneering at the 'less educated, working class' is appallingly elitist, as if these people don't matter--as if they are 'unpeople' in Noam Chomsky's words. The fact is that excessive unfettered and illegal immigration of low-skill and low education people from Mexico and Central America has resulted in economic pain and job competition at the bottom rungs of the ladder. David Frum of The Atlantic has written cogently on this topic. If you go to YouTube (not the media) you will see many black people who have made videos for Trump, including the famous sisters Diamond and Silk. The fact is that illegal immigration is supported by an unholy alliance of both parties--this is where Koch brothers and Obama see things the same way, albeit for different reasons. Sneering at Trump and his supporters is just plain ad hominem and shows a lack of ability to refute his points on the rational, intellectual level, as well as poor taste.
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I honor Vietnam, and all veterans. I find it hard to believe that someone who loves his country enough to fight for it would vote for a candidate who ignores the Constitution, who spouts untruths and says he speaks the truth, who can't ever admit that he might have been wrong, whose claim to fame is that he is rich and according to him, very smart! His limited vocabulary gives lie to his claim to being "very smart." He says a female lawyer who needs a break to pump breast milk is "disgusting" and a female candidate who is late returning from a bathroom break was doing something "disgusting." He sounds more like an elementary school kid. He isn't politically incorrect, he is just a playground bully who has no filter.
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I read Trump's book, "Crippled America". He uses the terms "make" and "force" a lot, and talks as though he would govern by decree, rather than through constitutional legislation. He would build the wall around our southernmost boundaries and "force" Mexico to pay for it, but what if they refuse? Send in the Marines? And what if he happens to get pushback from Congress for some of his ideas? Would he "fire" them, like on "the Apprentice"? Yes, I think many voters have come to the point where they now want magic rather than policy. Our massive ignorance of our history and how our government is supposed to work has made many long for a strongman, which explains the current love affair with Czar Putin. Instead of running for Commander in Chief, Trump may think he's running for Caudillo in Chief.
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The people registered as Democrats, but who vote Republican are a poorly educated, low-information audience of FOX misinformation and Republican right-wing hate radio. These conflicted people are guilty of not even knowing that they vote against their own interests. But we must also acknowledge that people who earn their living working in coal mines do not see beyond a paycheck that puts food on their table.
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Let it be said, the most refreshing thing about Trump is that he is the first contender not afraid to be politically incorrect. I believe there is a large segment of our American society tired of not being able to call things for what they are. So many Democrats have tiptoe around issues for fear of alienating certain segments. Case in point "Black lives matter". When asked the question O'Malley (I believe others as well) responded that "All lives matter". Only later to retract because of all the backlash. Now, we all know Trump, for all his foibles, would never retract. Nor would he yield the stage like Bernie did when "Black lives matter" supporters stole the microphone and Bernie just recoiled. It goes on and on. There are a lot of people, educated, illterate, black, white, whatever cheering when they hear Trump going full bore.
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Social Scientists have been noting for some time now that undocumented immigration -- crossing our southern border -- has declined markedly.
But no worries on the political front.
In the search for a scapegoat for why wages are flat and the future is less hopeful, American white males refuse to look at a "system" that rewards sending jobs to cheap labor pools...wherever they may be found: China, Central and South Americas, Southeast Asia, and the list goes on.
But the only solution they have is to shout: its the little brown peoples fault!
And so it goes.
Easier for racial animus and the populist fakers -- backed by billionaires in a political syatem laden with unclaimed irony -- then to admit our politicians sold the workers and their labor down the drain.
But no worries on the political front.
In the search for a scapegoat for why wages are flat and the future is less hopeful, American white males refuse to look at a "system" that rewards sending jobs to cheap labor pools...wherever they may be found: China, Central and South Americas, Southeast Asia, and the list goes on.
But the only solution they have is to shout: its the little brown peoples fault!
And so it goes.
Easier for racial animus and the populist fakers -- backed by billionaires in a political syatem laden with unclaimed irony -- then to admit our politicians sold the workers and their labor down the drain.
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Trump has been a good entertainer to me, until I saw the below article.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/30/opinion/campaign-stops/the-political-c...
What's not to like about that return on investment? The man knows how to efficiently run an operation (and without a superPAC). The man now has my attention on the republican side.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/12/30/opinion/campaign-stops/the-political-c...
What's not to like about that return on investment? The man knows how to efficiently run an operation (and without a superPAC). The man now has my attention on the republican side.
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So because he dominates the airwaves by making outrageous statements every other day, you think he is impressive? The only thing that is impressive are all the fools this carnival barker has hoodwinked.
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It is a sad time for our great nation. I am baffled on how a narcissist and crook can lead any party nomination. We have such a great history and came a long way from lynching colored people to a nation as the leader in the world. What the supporters don't understand that Trump is the greatest manipulator on the earth and he says anything to improve his poll number regardless of how hurtful his messages are and how it is destroying the race relation built over the years. As identified in the article, most of the supporters are illiterate or with low education. They do not understand that the world is not the same as it was in the sixties or seventies. Every country can manufacture anything they want. Days of sole American manufacturing are gone and the decline was orchestrated by Trump and his friends years ago in the name of capitalism. The same Wall Street crooks would find any country if they can lower manufacturing cost by a penny. Same American Capitalists provided the technology to third world countries and the cat is now out of the bag. This is the reality. We need to invest in education and research to dominate today's world. Alas, the Grand Obstruction Party is against education, research or the infrastructure needs. It is a pity that the fools live in the paradise which does not exist and jokers like Trump can manipulate them.
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As a registered Republican woman, I'm horrified by Trump's candidacy. The man is odious. Suffice it to say that if Trump manages to become the Republican candidate, this Republican will be voting for a Democrat - and I don't care whether it's Sanders or Clinton. Either would be preferable to this demagogue. Of course, I might repeat this same post regarding Ted Cruz.
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The Democrats supporting The Donald belong to a separate subspecies referred to by its scientific name "stultus popularis" (i.e., "dumb democrat"): one who places his trust in a self-styled man of the people who will inevitably lead his flock to ruination. Actually, if The Donald is elected (!), it's the nation that will be in ruins.
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Trump will win the Realists and True Patriots of the Dem Class.
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Donald Trump is leading in national polls over all GOP candidates and tied with Hillary because Barack Obama has America in ruins.
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In other words, Stu, exactly what you and all your friends did in 2008. Of course, you weren't dumb, just played. Why is it you liberals are always so playable? You willingly placed your trust in a self-styled man of the people who would inevitably lead his flock to ruination AND racial division of the first order.
After 7 years of Ultimate Coolness, the world is burning up and the best economic growth is an 2% annual growth rate.
Oh, no, the fools are the OTHER guys, right?
After 7 years of Ultimate Coolness, the world is burning up and the best economic growth is an 2% annual growth rate.
Oh, no, the fools are the OTHER guys, right?
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I'm just shocked. I bet a lot of those folks are white and union. They are dying to have a leader say all kinds of stupid racist things. When are those folks going to get that they are essentially slaves for the 1%.
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Actually non-unions, or "right to work" states are the ones on the map that have the strongest support for Trump. Most unions are there to ensure workers have rights and fair pay so I have no idea why you are correlating unions with these results.
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Never. What informs and influences their thinking is a fantasy that someday they will be part of the 1%.
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I doubt that many are union members. Union membership remains a fairly reliable predictor of political leaning.
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"He is strongest among Republicans who are less affluent, less educated ..."
Well politics is a numbers game and there are a lot of poor, uneducated people out there. Smart play.
And now we can perhaps appreciate why many Republicans seek to promote poverty and ignorance.
Well politics is a numbers game and there are a lot of poor, uneducated people out there. Smart play.
And now we can perhaps appreciate why many Republicans seek to promote poverty and ignorance.
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Look around Erasmus, a large majority of poverty areas in this country have been run by democrats for a long time. Teachers unions that run the schools in these same areas are in the pockets of the politicians. Why do they tolerate such lousy schools with low graduation rates?
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"He leads among Republican women and among people in well-educated and affluent areas."
So which is it? Like many liberals, this article is a contradiction. Anyway, this map looks like a sweep even with all the other Republican candidates. Factor them out, he will be facing Hillary whose support among white men is nearly zero. So not only will Trump win all the traditional red states like Texas, he will chip away at all white men and their wives. Hillary will be left with a coalition of Bernie's communists, lesbians, homosexuals, feminists and Jihadists. How splendid?
So which is it? Like many liberals, this article is a contradiction. Anyway, this map looks like a sweep even with all the other Republican candidates. Factor them out, he will be facing Hillary whose support among white men is nearly zero. So not only will Trump win all the traditional red states like Texas, he will chip away at all white men and their wives. Hillary will be left with a coalition of Bernie's communists, lesbians, homosexuals, feminists and Jihadists. How splendid?
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Thanks Erasmus. " Many ( or some)Republicans seek to promote poverty and ignorance.) Hillary and Bernie are pure. They just tell the poor and ignorant,vote for me and I will take from the rich and give everything you want to you. Do not forget how Hillary was paid $$$$$$ by Bankers .Rich bankers do not give $ to people who plan to take their $ and give it to others. Rich bankers heard her.
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As a black professional female, who is a committed Trump voter, I find these articles trying to paint Trump voters as racist, low education voters irritating. He has said nothing racist or bigoted. Certainly no worse than Joe Biden or Ted Kennedy about Obama. Neither of them have been proclaimed as "racists" by the media. This double standard by the media, which insults the intelligence of the American people, is why no one trusts the media any more. Their agenda is pretty clear. We can think for ourselves.
He proposed banning Muslims temporarily from the USA. A lot of folks were outraged. I am a social entrepreneur. Boko Haram is using children as suicide bombers in Nigeria, which is inhumane. Where is the outrage about that? And who is financing Boko Haram? Rich muslims financing terror need to understand there will be consequences. He put them on notice. (Shortly after Saudi Arabia announced a coalition to fight terror. Maybe coincidence?). Yes, if implemented, temporarily, a number of innocent muslims will be affected. But anything that contributes, in any way, to fewer children being blown up, I am willing to try.
He proposed banning Muslims temporarily from the USA. A lot of folks were outraged. I am a social entrepreneur. Boko Haram is using children as suicide bombers in Nigeria, which is inhumane. Where is the outrage about that? And who is financing Boko Haram? Rich muslims financing terror need to understand there will be consequences. He put them on notice. (Shortly after Saudi Arabia announced a coalition to fight terror. Maybe coincidence?). Yes, if implemented, temporarily, a number of innocent muslims will be affected. But anything that contributes, in any way, to fewer children being blown up, I am willing to try.
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From a fellow, educated Black professional (lawyer) in Washington DC who also supports Trump, I thank you for standing with me proudly against the offensive liberal narrative that puts all of us in a societal box with Obama.
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The problem with Mr. Trump is not his use of shock talk to win voters, but after the dust settles somehow we need a united country to get things done. In Mr. Trump's world there are only winners and losers. You know what he thinks of the latter. Helping all citizens to survive with basic needs, and to have a foreign policy to assure safety without unwarranted loss of life is not in his playbook.
I respectfully ask you to view a documentary on how he ran roughshod over local residents in Scotland, the land of his mom's birth. If this is how you think a President should act, I would say I strongly disagree with your assessment of what this country needs at this time. The film is called "You've Been Trumped".
His speech reminds me of a joke Woody Allen use to deliver. "I went to an interdenominational camp......where I was brutally beaten by every race, color, and creed. Maybe you want this kind of camp leader, but I'll pass.
I respectfully ask you to view a documentary on how he ran roughshod over local residents in Scotland, the land of his mom's birth. If this is how you think a President should act, I would say I strongly disagree with your assessment of what this country needs at this time. The film is called "You've Been Trumped".
His speech reminds me of a joke Woody Allen use to deliver. "I went to an interdenominational camp......where I was brutally beaten by every race, color, and creed. Maybe you want this kind of camp leader, but I'll pass.
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well said even if I don't support Trump for my own reasons I am offend that u the media keeps saying oh people who support Trump must be dumb or stupid.....so I guess if u supported Obama that makes u smart well folks this country is in terrible shape & Obama said it from day 1 he was going to cut America down to size well he has done a great job of that..he plays the race card to a T....maybe people like what Trump is saying because we have no idea what is going on in people's mine & this what the average American feels not because they are dumb or stupid.....not everyone who supports Trump is stupid & dumb give the American people more credit then that...we have had 7 of the most violent years during this administration so for those of u who voted for Obama what does that say about u.He is on vacation and couldn't care less about what is going on and his new idea is to use Executive Powers to do gun control because Congress will never give into that commie idea.....so stop looking down on people who want Trump u guys didn't do so great with your choice of Obama..is that the best we can do is name calling.
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One of the contributing factors that led me to support Trump is that Wall Street is not in his back pocket. The liberal and conservative press alike HATE him. The ESTABLISHMENT hate him as well. That was my queue to listen to his viewpoint and while I don't agree with everything that comes from his mouth and cringe from time to time, he hits the ballpark more so than all the other candidates combined. Sanders and Rand Paul tie for second place in my book.
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Birds of a feather stick together. One billionaire is always going to do what's best for the next billionaire, and that's how the wealthiest few have always operated.
Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that has not only accepted money from Wall Street, but has also worked for 30 years to regulate them.
Sure, Trump isn't accepting donations from Wall Street -- but he's also not talking about doing much to regulate it either. He initially said he was going to tax hedge funds higher, but when he released his tax plan, it turned out to offer massive tax breaks for hedge fund operators and their ilk.
Bernie Sanders is the only candidate that has not only accepted money from Wall Street, but has also worked for 30 years to regulate them.
Sure, Trump isn't accepting donations from Wall Street -- but he's also not talking about doing much to regulate it either. He initially said he was going to tax hedge funds higher, but when he released his tax plan, it turned out to offer massive tax breaks for hedge fund operators and their ilk.
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I have trouble believing Trump is 'Really' running for office.
He would have to step-down sign off his holdings, like Cheney had to do.
Remember he never showed his "Income-Tax Returns" only his financial holdings. Even Romney had to show his returns -- remember "Conflict-of-Interest" rules?
He would give up his wealth and power for a pay cut? His power is his joy. It doesn't make sense.
He would have to step-down sign off his holdings, like Cheney had to do.
Remember he never showed his "Income-Tax Returns" only his financial holdings. Even Romney had to show his returns -- remember "Conflict-of-Interest" rules?
He would give up his wealth and power for a pay cut? His power is his joy. It doesn't make sense.
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Remember, former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg's net worth more than doubled when he was in office. He stepped down from his wealth and power, also. However, when his name was spoken in the news, it was like free advertising for Bloomberg L.P.
Being president of the United States would be the ultimate way for a billion to retire and spruce his massive nest egg. As of now, every time that Mr. Trump tweets, opines are utters anything, he gets massive free advertising for his campaign. Just think how much The Trump Organization, LLC would make over Mr. Trump's term in office.
If you didn't figure that out by now, maybe Mr. Trump is correct about smart people with all of the money and stupid folks with none.
Being president of the United States would be the ultimate way for a billion to retire and spruce his massive nest egg. As of now, every time that Mr. Trump tweets, opines are utters anything, he gets massive free advertising for his campaign. Just think how much The Trump Organization, LLC would make over Mr. Trump's term in office.
If you didn't figure that out by now, maybe Mr. Trump is correct about smart people with all of the money and stupid folks with none.
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People are sick of fake politicians that are a facade for someone else. Scott Walker for instance is clearly an extension of Koch Industries. Donald Trump as arrogant and nasty as he is, answers to no one. That's what also appeals to Sanders voters. He messes up, but seems very sincere, and people find that endearing.
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Trump answers to plenty. He's a billionaire, inheriting his wealth from daddy. He didn't get to be an exploitative megalomaniac by being a nice guy. He has been taking advantage of people for ages, including the taxpayers, through his many bankruptcies. He also benefits from the enormous tax on stupidity -- gambling.
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Uh, the difference is that Sanders *is* sincere. Unlike Trump, who is bald-faced lying to all these know-nothing losers in order feed his ego.
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@Observing Nature. You have it very wrong. He borrowed money from his father and spun that into a $10 billion dollar empire (net worth). He made it in the worst dog eat dog industry there is -- NY real estate. Give the guy some credit. He's one of the most successful businessmen in the world. Obama couldn't run a register at Walmart.
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Actually Nate, ALL Democrats want Trump to be the Republican nominee. Because we want Hillary to win!
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Please explain how you would expect Hillary to win, if she never gets on the general election ballot? You are aware of how close this race is becoming in NH (Sanders with a 14 point lead as of latest CBS poll) and Iowa (Hillary leading by only 5 points with an 8 pt margin of error, again in CBS poll) --- aren't you?
This is compounded by the fact that Sanders campaign has broken all sorts of fundraising records and and are on pace to likely raise more money than Hillary in Q4.
If you think Hillary has the nomination locked up, you'd better think again, my friend!
This is compounded by the fact that Sanders campaign has broken all sorts of fundraising records and and are on pace to likely raise more money than Hillary in Q4.
If you think Hillary has the nomination locked up, you'd better think again, my friend!
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Hillary has 90% chance of winning the nomination, Donald 24%. and Rubio 34%. The website I've linked to is invaluable. Poll numbers are misleading to put it mildly. No one's ever been elected because of superior poll numbers..
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/presidential-candid...
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2016/us/elections/presidential-candid...
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As a trump supporter who also likes Bernie Sanders despite disagreeing with him on major points of policy I would love to see him win the nomination. The establishment candidate is in firm control and will win. The only question was if she would be indited which she will not be.
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Since you deal with data, you need to know that the word, data, is plural. The singular is datum. Thus "Perhaps above all else, the data shows that Mr. Trump has broad support in the G.O.P." should read "the data show…." This is an all too common error in the Times, on NPR, and the BBC.
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"Data" has for many years been widely accepted in the collective singular sense, like "money," so, as far as the Times, NPR, and the BBC are concerned, it's not an error. Get over it.
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From the same article "The data also reflects the preferences of Republican 2016 general election voters"
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Maybe you haven't received the memo in Alaska yet. Check Merriam-Webster: "Data leads a life of its own quite independent of datum, of which it was originally the plural. It occurs in two constructions: as a plural noun (like earnings), taking a plural verb and plural modifiers (as these, many, a few) but not cardinal numbers, and serving as a referent for plural pronouns (as they, them); and as an abstract mass noun (like information), taking a singular verb and singular modifiers (as this, much, little), and being referred to by a singular pronoun (it). Both constructions are standard. The plural construction is more common in print, evidently because the house style of several publishers mandates it."
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Trump is nothing but a bigot scary person. He isn't presidential at all and knows NO foreign policy let alone how government works I pray he loses and I am a republican.
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Donald Trump is the only canididate who going to represent the interests of all americans. As to foreign nationals who wish to live here not so much. Its not an irrational fear or a demonstration of bigotry to believe that immigration is the biggest threat to our national well being. All americans have a right to the wealth and privledges afforded to us. Everyone else does not.
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This polarization is a reflection that a certain, significant, portion of the populous is feeling threatened. This is divisive for our country. We need to make these individuals feel that they are a part of society.
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That is *exactly* the case! After all, these are *white* people, not black people or some other random minority, like Muslims.
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This meme crops us periodically. I remember well the Reagan Democrats. Not really different, though this article makes the attempt to paint them in the worst possible light.
What it really says is that registered voters of *both* parties are fed up with their "establishment" office holders & candidates. I'm no Trump fan, but I support that anti- establishment sentiment, on both sides.
What it really says is that registered voters of *both* parties are fed up with their "establishment" office holders & candidates. I'm no Trump fan, but I support that anti- establishment sentiment, on both sides.
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Thank you for this. I am fed up with the establishment and the left painting Trump in all sorts of unflattering light- essentially out of fear that all is not right with their leadership, and news coverage. Yes, his rhetoric is shocking- but it resonates, and I love his honesty.
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Remember, he has made his living by benefiting from the tax on stupidity - gambling.
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As so many commenters pointed out Hillary and Jeb are similar. Why is it so hard for the media to understand voters' ire at amnesty for illegal aliens? As a citizen I don't get to pick and choose which laws to obey. Hillary and Jeb want to reward illegals with amnesty. If someone breaks into your house you call the police. You don't ask them to stay, feed them, and tell them to send for their family and friends.
There's a lot of people living in poverty and war torn places. But the answer is not to bring them to US. Especially when unlike many previous generations of immigrants many current ones don't want to assimilate.
There's a lot of people living in poverty and war torn places. But the answer is not to bring them to US. Especially when unlike many previous generations of immigrants many current ones don't want to assimilate.
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The reason it is so hard to "understand" is that laws are not always enforced to the full limits possible at the time. Take speeding. Suppose the government decided that it could, after the fact, take records of which cell phone tower was listening to your phone while you were driving and then compile a record of when you were speeding. By your argument, it would be OK for the government to then send you a huge pile of speeding tickets, even for infractions decades after they were committed. After all, a law is a law. I'll bet if that happened you would be all over your local representatives complaining about how unfair that was.
Also, most undocumented immigrants didn't break into your house, they cleaned it or cut the grass in your yard. Are you completely certain you have never "employed" an undocumented alien? If we are going to retroactively enforce laws, then many people will require that the government go with equal zeal against employers (like you?). Remember that the process of rounding up 6 million or so "illegals" will generate a huge amount of incriminating evidence about illegal employers.
Also, most undocumented immigrants didn't break into your house, they cleaned it or cut the grass in your yard. Are you completely certain you have never "employed" an undocumented alien? If we are going to retroactively enforce laws, then many people will require that the government go with equal zeal against employers (like you?). Remember that the process of rounding up 6 million or so "illegals" will generate a huge amount of incriminating evidence about illegal employers.
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"Especially when unlike many previous generations of immigrants many current ones don't want to assimilate."
Exactly! They're as bad as those Chinese living in Chinatowns or those Latinos living in barrios or the black people living in inner cities. We already have enough outsiders who don't want to assimilate. Why add even more?
Exactly! They're as bad as those Chinese living in Chinatowns or those Latinos living in barrios or the black people living in inner cities. We already have enough outsiders who don't want to assimilate. Why add even more?
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Why do you call illegals "undocumented" You make it sound as if they had papers but they were lost or destroyed in a courthouse fire. Illegal aliens are illegal.
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Because Trump is a billionaire, the thinking goes he is beholden to no one. Well, the same logic was applied to Michael Bloomberg, who despite supposedly being several eons more evolved than Trump, still gave away the city to his fellow billionaires, who knew they could count on him. The middle class chumps who voted for Bloomberg are now wondering how they'll pay the rent.
Do you think he really represents your interests Trump supporters? The truth is, you all disgust him as much as the minorities he disparages. After a round of glad-handing the rabble, you can be sure he immerses himself in a vat of Purell each night.
Do you think he really represents your interests Trump supporters? The truth is, you all disgust him as much as the minorities he disparages. After a round of glad-handing the rabble, you can be sure he immerses himself in a vat of Purell each night.
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Trump is beholden to no one but himself. When Barbara Walters asked him about what he wanted to have that he didn't already own he answered, "the presidency, I really want to have the presidency." His response is telling. He wants to *HAVE* the presidency -- he doesn't say he wants to be president or, better still, "Serve the people of my country as President of the U S of A." No, he wants to own the presidency and therefore (in his mind) the country.
Another telling moment caught on tape was when he allowed his supporters to come on board his plane "Try not to scratch the woodwork too much" (with a disgusted look on his face), he said. Not "Welcome Aboard!" Or even "Isn't this cool!" No, just *don't mess up my stuff with your grubby hands and dirty feet.*
In the remote chance that he should be elected President, he and his family would disdain the White House and all the history within it and either choose to live somewhere else more befitting His Royal Trumpness or attempt to plate everything in gold and install jacuzzis and big screen TVs in every room in the white house. He'd most likely start charging admission and selling souvenir Trump hats in the Oval Office.
There is no one I can imagine who would represent the seriousness of the presidency and the will of the people (even the "disgusting" ones like Rosie O'Donnell, HIllary Clinton, Carly Fiorina, or me, or you) *less* than Donald Trump.
Another telling moment caught on tape was when he allowed his supporters to come on board his plane "Try not to scratch the woodwork too much" (with a disgusted look on his face), he said. Not "Welcome Aboard!" Or even "Isn't this cool!" No, just *don't mess up my stuff with your grubby hands and dirty feet.*
In the remote chance that he should be elected President, he and his family would disdain the White House and all the history within it and either choose to live somewhere else more befitting His Royal Trumpness or attempt to plate everything in gold and install jacuzzis and big screen TVs in every room in the white house. He'd most likely start charging admission and selling souvenir Trump hats in the Oval Office.
There is no one I can imagine who would represent the seriousness of the presidency and the will of the people (even the "disgusting" ones like Rosie O'Donnell, HIllary Clinton, Carly Fiorina, or me, or you) *less* than Donald Trump.
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Yeah, I've pictured him then, leaving the bellowing crowd, laughing to the chauffer "What morons!"
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Mr Trump can now claim leadership of the newest electoral force in America...DINOs...Democrats In Name Only. Well done Donald...you shall go a long way...led by this motley bunch...not!
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As a progressive, I can't talk about Trump's appeal without being attacked. The most common blast of emotion is wrapped in, "He doesn't have any ideas about how to solve problems." Of course I bow out, but I'm thinking, "So?" His appeal is that he very smartly identifies problems. One imagines his supporters uttering the clichéd, "Do you think that? I think that too! You get it!" That's why he's popular. Not because he has any brilliant solution. There are no brilliant solutions. No one wants to hear about inching towards a different world (the only way possible if history is true). They want someone to say, "Don't worry. I know your problems, and heck, I'm going to fix them. All you have to do is vote for me. And hey, didn't I make billions?"
So, go ahead and talk about political science. Most people want magic, not science.
So, go ahead and talk about political science. Most people want magic, not science.
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How about supporting a candidate who demonstrates that he or she is a thoughtful enough person to at least consider science?!
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If someone was strong enough to take off their own political filters and listen to what Mr. Trump is saying in these times, many will actually agree with him. The left wing media paints him as a monster. He has many skills and is also one of the best negotiators of our time. He takes money from no one. When he says deport all Illegals that is a starting point in the negotiation maybe it will end up at all illegal criminals in US jails and 10% of illegals are deported. Then build the wall. As far as Muslim immigration to the USA maybe there is more scrutiny applied to Mideast visas which is appropriate.
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"If someone was strong enough to take off their own political filters and listen to what Mr. Trump is saying in these times, many will actually agree with him.".....I have listened very carefully to what he has said. Besides the one liners and insults he seems unable to articulate anything that even remotely resembles a strategy or plan of how to actually do anything. If he has an understanding of how anything works he is keeping it a secret. He is all noise and no depth. And I am sorry it hurts feelings, but I haven't heard him say anything that would appeal to anybody who has advanced beyond the fourth grade.
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When you say "he takes money from no one", are you forgetting about the countless people he has taken services from without paying them for their services, by using the bankruptcy laws in order to completely avoid paying his debts?
This is actually a very direct way of taking from someone, especially when you clearly have more than enough funds to pay the debts, but choose not to.
Just because he isn't accepting large donations, does not mean he isn't in anyone back pocket or beholden to their interests. The old adage, "birds of a feather stick together" says that he will absolutely work for the interest of his billionaire friends, which is ever so clear when you look at his tax plan that gives the largest tax breaks to the 1%.
This is actually a very direct way of taking from someone, especially when you clearly have more than enough funds to pay the debts, but choose not to.
Just because he isn't accepting large donations, does not mean he isn't in anyone back pocket or beholden to their interests. The old adage, "birds of a feather stick together" says that he will absolutely work for the interest of his billionaire friends, which is ever so clear when you look at his tax plan that gives the largest tax breaks to the 1%.
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Biggest Trump myth. You mean those campaign donations he has been running on for the last several months were magically conjured out of nowhere? Let's not forget his 5 bankruptcies--those were defaulted loans that the rest of us paid for via our interest rates. Those who believe he can't be bought are delusional.
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I question the results of the studies, after reviewing such, as to their geographics and the premises of the questions, which were tilted to obtain pre-conceived answers. However, what bother me the most, is the "Google Search" that this article exposes. I had little to no idea that Google is capable of searching all of our emails for word associations. Never leave your house without wearing underwear, and now, never send an email that you don't want searchers and other people to read. There is no cognitive way to ascertain what is in the minds from such searching, other than generalities and that is not science or real data mining, yet. To ascribe racial animus based upon cartoons or jokes, is simply not science, but politics as usual. Did they search only Black folks and read their emails to ascertain racial animus among their race? Of course not, as that would be too much "information" to try to divine personalities and their racial preferences. Another tale of "Big Bro" watching all of our moves, and little to anything to do with Trump, except that he is right, Big Bro is not just the government anymore.
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Absolutely nothing on the internet is private.
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Not emails. The search terms entered for Google searches. It does
It's not emails that have been counted as "racially charged". It's search terms entered for Google searches.
It's not emails that have been counted as "racially charged". It's search terms entered for Google searches.
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the jewish hasid community in boro park brooklyn, is voting trump. all my friends in NY are voting trump, jewish italian irish & anglo. just saying. "rural? un educated"? an error has occured.
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What kind of "friends" do you have? Sorry about "rural? un-educated?" choice of words. Should have been written "ignorant" and/or "tribal"
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I find some of what Trump says very true and appealing, some is awful.
I like Bernie Sanders much more.
My anger is real and will not go away -- and I am not conservative or a Republican.
I like Bernie Sanders much more.
My anger is real and will not go away -- and I am not conservative or a Republican.
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Trump isn't outspoken about cutting back on big government. The uneducated, dense worker want lots of government. That is why the US are going down hill. Rand Paul is the only choice if you want to bring America back and reboot the creation of jobs here, not in China.
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What evidence do you have that the US is going downhill and what exactly do you meant by that?
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I haven't yet heard any of Rand Paul's ideas that would make some practical sense, so aside from liking the way he talks, which of his ideas specifically do you think would "reboot the creation of jobs here"?
I support Donald Trump for POTUS. I am white, 50's, professional, graduate degree, gay, Republican. People want to demonize his sensational comments but the facts are simple: secure the border, create controls to assure everyone lives here legally, spend wisely on infrastructure, simplify the tax system, reduce the debt through growth and, perhaps most importantly, demonstrate strength internationally and use force if necessary to defeat the Islamic caliphate. I agree with Donald Trump, this strategy will Make America Great Again!
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Every Republican candidate supports everything you mention. and that's a fact!
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You are supporting empty slogans. Try and think through some of the proposals and consider how they would be implemented. For example "create controls to assure that everyone lives here legally" - do you want a national ID card that you must carry with you at all times, else you get arrested? Have the police stop people randomly and ask "may I have your papers please?"
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"but the facts are simple: secure the border,"....Wake up call. Building a fence is stupid and not just because 40% of the illegals that are here have over stayed their legal visas. Absolutely nobody would object to the goals - any fool can set out desirable goals. The question is how does he proposes to accomplish any of them? And building a fence and having Mexico pay for it is the most detail he has provided for any of them; and that is just plain dumb. Listen to what he says. Listen. He doesn't say anything.
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Some of the comments below are scary, as are Donald Trump and his resentful constituency. I love this country sufficiently to believe that the electorate and my fellow citizens, when it comes down to it, will not vote for Trump if he gets to the general election in November. The problem is that the Democrats are forced into an unenviable position: to deal with the insanity of the Republicans they try for compromise (as evidenced in the recent budget bill) and the come up with some good things (like expansion of the earned income tax credit) but also seem spineless because the same budget bill allows for more tax breaks for the very rich, once again confirming and affirming that both parties seem not to "care" about ordinary folk. It's not quite true to equate Sanders with Trump; the former is a sitting Senator with lots of experience as the mayor of a major New England city and also as a man of compromise and good sense within a series of do-nothing Congresses. Leaving that aside, however, the key issue in this election is the plausibility of economic growth. The politician who can make it clear to the American electorate that economic growth is not gainsaid or an easy matter in the twenty-first century (with so much global competitiveness) and that therefore redistribution of wealth is more a political than an economic issue. Bernie Sanders, I believe, is the man for this job, and if not him, who? Certainly not Donald Trump.
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I would venture that it should read "a peculiar type of Democrat."
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"It is similar to a map of the tendency toward racism by region, according to measures like the prevalence of Google searches for racial slurs and racist jokes, or scores on implicit association tests."
It's fine to use group-level data to make statements about the group or area in question, considered as a whole. But one commits the ecological fallacy if they use this group level data to make statements or inferences about the individuals in the group or region.
It's fine to use group-level data to make statements about the group or area in question, considered as a whole. But one commits the ecological fallacy if they use this group level data to make statements or inferences about the individuals in the group or region.
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You are mistaken. The fallacy is only committed if one uses group data to make conclusions about PARTICULAR individuals, not simply the class, "individuals." If a state has more racists, then there are more individual racists, though we can't say whether any particular individual is racist. If a state has more people without a bachelor's degree, it has more individuals without a bachelor's degree, though we can't say whether any particular individual has one or not.
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I am simply aghast at Trump's audacity to throw dirt on the Clintons on personal failings when his own life is a continuing saga of personal, moral failures. That he sees his own daughter as having a great figure and were she not his daughter...... The Man is downright sick and disgusting!! And if this Man has supporters, it behooves us to take a look in the mirror. I feel pretty certain we will not like the image staring back at us. Or maybe, it's not our image but ourselves staring back!
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The press keeps pushing the thought that Trump supporters are blue collar, poorly educated people as well as the point that Trump is racist . In my experience there is considerable support for Trump from a lot of well educated, very successful people.
I don't believe Trump is a racist. Our self announced enemy happens to be united by the fact that they are Muslim; radical Muslims to be sure but still a significant number of people. Trump's idea that we should be careful in accepting Muslim immigrants is not at all far fetched. His plan that we would ask immigrants if they were Muslim is absurd. The press needs to concentrate on Trumps lack of coherent policy rather than try to brand him a bigot and a racist. You need to actually listen to what he says rather than have a knee jerk reaction to a few words. Labeling as such only empowers him since the believers know with a fair certainly that he is neither and therefore he becomes someone picked on unfairly by the press.
I don't believe Trump is a racist. Our self announced enemy happens to be united by the fact that they are Muslim; radical Muslims to be sure but still a significant number of people. Trump's idea that we should be careful in accepting Muslim immigrants is not at all far fetched. His plan that we would ask immigrants if they were Muslim is absurd. The press needs to concentrate on Trumps lack of coherent policy rather than try to brand him a bigot and a racist. You need to actually listen to what he says rather than have a knee jerk reaction to a few words. Labeling as such only empowers him since the believers know with a fair certainly that he is neither and therefore he becomes someone picked on unfairly by the press.
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Perhaps the press and you disagree because the former is based on data widely and randomly sampled rather than on one person's experiences and acquaintances. "Data" is not the plural of "anecdote".
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"Data" is not the plural of "anecdote".
Good one, ken!
Good one, ken!
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Several observations about this interesting and provocative analysis: (1) Mr Trump's support in New York may reflect to some extent that he is from New York; (2) his appeal to less educated and articulate supporters may be owing to their relative failure to prosper economically over the past 30 years and their consequent anger; (3) their resentment of blacks may stem from anxiety at the growth of a black middle-class, a few of whom are now becoming managers of large corporations and assuming other high-profile roles, including president of the United States. In sum, they see themselves as losers and American society does not treat losers with dignity or respect.
Bernie Sanders hopes to attract some of these potential voters, who would benefit a good deal from a Sanders Administration, but I am pessimistic that they would listen to his rational arguments.
Bernie Sanders hopes to attract some of these potential voters, who would benefit a good deal from a Sanders Administration, but I am pessimistic that they would listen to his rational arguments.
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Going to a Trump rally to gorge out on the contempt may be fun. Turning out to vote when you've never voted before is just a bore.
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With all due respect to Mr Cohn and not only his findings, but his proven mathematical and logistical ability to pin-point down to the most infinitesimal detail the outcome of most elections. Still. You scare me. To even think that Mr. Trump has such a strong support base, coupled with all the efforts to essentially abrogate the Civil Rights Voting Act in several Southern states, is nothing less than frightening. Especially given the fact those less-educated, disenfranchised-feeling Whites, Republican or Democrat, are now at the fore in deciding this Presidential charge to the White House. While the clock is ticking, it somehow appears to be ticking only backwards.
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Not sure where my earlier comment went but to rephrase and repeat - I do not know where the media get their "facts" from (insert anatomy part here) but news flash: I am educated, I am female, I am "likely to vote", and I support Donald J Trump For President.
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DJT,
You may be educated, but if you are voting for him, you are not a well-informed person.
You may be educated, but if you are voting for him, you are not a well-informed person.
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I'm no fan of Trump, but I'm still disgusted that the New York Times just branded a wide demographic of his supporters as "racist" based entirely on Google searches. Maybe you should spend less time mining data and more time actually talking to the people who live in these decaying Rust Belt towns. People are rightfully angry that both parties have shoved them aside for over 30 years now while still demanding party loyalty on Election Day. These voters might be "less-educated," but they're savvy enough to know that Hillary and the other GOP candidates only offer more of the same. After 30 years of being ground into poverty, of course they're going to latch on to the one candidate who offers something different, even if that candidate is problematic. A chance at economic prosperity is far more of a priority to these impoverished voters than political correctness.
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Hitler was a "problematic" candidate.
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"After 30 years of being ground into poverty..."
How does the fact that these white people are worried about becoming no better off than black people refute the assertion that they are racist?
How does the fact that these white people are worried about becoming no better off than black people refute the assertion that they are racist?
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Barack Obama was a problematic candidate and a failed president.
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Uninformed voters are the ones that voted for "hope and change" twice.
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Uninformed voters are the ones that keep sending republicans back to congress.
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Right, the informed voters all thought Sarah Palin was qualified to be VP.
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They can keep their hope, I'll keep my change. And vote for Trump.
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I expect this population mirrors those people who voted for George Wallace. Maryland and Michigan, as I recall, had 30-40 percent in primary.
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When I look in the mirror, staring back at me is a Black man in his 30s, with a degree in American History, a great career as a lawyer in Washington DC amd a love for America and our nation's ideals. I also see a Trump supporter.
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@ DCBarrister YES! The media is so quick to disregard blacks who support Trump. Shame on the media. But then, I guess they never to fail to hit a new low.
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Black, white, or purple- all this blindly supporting a candidate because of liking the way he talks, while just giving him a free pass on having to propose anything concrete or practical, is getting mighty old. And it is really dumb.
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I'm reminded of my grandmother, who not only thought discussing politics in public was uncouth, she'd never disclose to anyone who she voted for, ever. I loathe how people these days just can't mind their business. People can vote for who they want. If someone doesn't "feel the Bern" or isn't clamoring for Mrs. Bill Clinton like you, it is not an invitation for you to aggressively interrogate and/or mock them. It's no wonder there are so many left-leaning stealth Trump supporters, making the already favorable polls underestimate his support.
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My head is spinning from this article. I've never seen people try to find reasons why a man up by 25 points in most polls can't win. It's amazing!!! If Bush or Rubio had the lead like Trump does the GOP would declare the race over and everyone should back the front runner. Pathetic article!!!
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They are not left-leaning at all. They are, and were, Dixie democrats. Racist, uneducated and clueless about how to go about changing their party registration to Republican or Independent. In other words, stupid.
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Sarah,
You ooze hate and smugness. Good luck with that life strategy!
You ooze hate and smugness. Good luck with that life strategy!
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Donald Trump makes a production of decalring “war” on Bill Clinton and his “lack of diginity” during his Presidency.
He makes broadly negative complaints about things Bill did years ago... although making large profits on his multiple bankruptcies, which was considered gauche and “undignified,” didn’t bother Donald at all. Trump claims Bill showed no dignity as President, nor will Hillary show any...
“Dignity?” What does Trump know about that? Compare it to the massive amount of dissonant drivel he is (freely) getting away with. What does anyone think is dignified about the swill being regurgitated from the sty of this Republican front-runner? Dignified? Anyone can see that Trump gets his attention by being dishonest and insulting... no dignity there.
In a season full of the Republican’s ridiculously misleading, dishonest primary lies, things need to be countered with a little truth. Trump, in particular, loves shoveling falsehoods and dissent at his radical, low-informed followers in the hopes those rowdy audiences will believe it’s the truth... It’s not...voting for him will prove that... or just google ‘Trump’s lies.’
But, as GBShaw observed, “There’s no dignity in wrestling with a pig.
You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.
He makes broadly negative complaints about things Bill did years ago... although making large profits on his multiple bankruptcies, which was considered gauche and “undignified,” didn’t bother Donald at all. Trump claims Bill showed no dignity as President, nor will Hillary show any...
“Dignity?” What does Trump know about that? Compare it to the massive amount of dissonant drivel he is (freely) getting away with. What does anyone think is dignified about the swill being regurgitated from the sty of this Republican front-runner? Dignified? Anyone can see that Trump gets his attention by being dishonest and insulting... no dignity there.
In a season full of the Republican’s ridiculously misleading, dishonest primary lies, things need to be countered with a little truth. Trump, in particular, loves shoveling falsehoods and dissent at his radical, low-informed followers in the hopes those rowdy audiences will believe it’s the truth... It’s not...voting for him will prove that... or just google ‘Trump’s lies.’
But, as GBShaw observed, “There’s no dignity in wrestling with a pig.
You get dirty, and besides, the pig likes it.
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If the current insanity does not change, if Trump and Cruz and Rubio and Carson are not thrown out into the garbage, then I fear that the year 2015 will go down in history as the year when the United States of America started its final decline and fall. Very frightening. Very sad.
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Thanks to Obama the decline and fall you speak of is already afoot.
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as a new yorker, im hoping trump/cruz will win. maybe we can get another guiliani back to NYC. enough w/the rest room nonesence, the protests, ect.
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No, that thanks goes to the republicans who control congress.
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A couple of my most conservative Republican friends have registered as Democrats just so they can vote in the Democratic primary and influence who wins.
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Nothing new. That's gone on for years on both sides of the aisle.
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Predicating conclusions about racism on Google searches lacks any validity. Initially, there is the question as to what constitutes a racist website. Who decided which sites are racist, and what criteria were used? Then there is the unwarranted assumption that a large percentage (how large?) of the searches are by people supporting the site, rather than searching to see what "the enemy" is doing or for "entertainment." For a statistics oriented columnist, I am surprised that Cohn accepts Google searches as an underpinning of his conclusions without making an evidenced-based case for their legitimacy.
The article seems to ignore and many Commenters seem not to understand that a significant part of Trump's support comes from the fact that he has an unusual form of credibility, as sad as that is. All of the other candidates speak in focus group tested, ad agency massaged slogans, which will change with the next set of poll data. The stuff that comes out of Trump's mouth would clearly never pass those barriers.
As a result, much of the electorate which, across-the-board, is tired of politicians who say one thing but do another, are willing to support a candidate who, they believe, actually is saying what he believes. The substance of what is being said becomes secondary to the credibility of the speaker. In a sense, many are saying, "Better the devil I know than the devil I can't know."
The article seems to ignore and many Commenters seem not to understand that a significant part of Trump's support comes from the fact that he has an unusual form of credibility, as sad as that is. All of the other candidates speak in focus group tested, ad agency massaged slogans, which will change with the next set of poll data. The stuff that comes out of Trump's mouth would clearly never pass those barriers.
As a result, much of the electorate which, across-the-board, is tired of politicians who say one thing but do another, are willing to support a candidate who, they believe, actually is saying what he believes. The substance of what is being said becomes secondary to the credibility of the speaker. In a sense, many are saying, "Better the devil I know than the devil I can't know."
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Not websites. Search terms. It's racially charged search terms entered that have been counted, searching on certain words or phrases.
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"entertainment"
Expressions of racism sought out as a form of "entertainment," but the seeker of such "entertainment" is no racist? I find that hard to believe.
Expressions of racism sought out as a form of "entertainment," but the seeker of such "entertainment" is no racist? I find that hard to believe.
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After many 20 years of voting democrats and 30 voting republican, my family has learned that both parties are corrupt and lie about everything. We will never support any candidate support by either party. Trump is NOT support by either and takes money from no one, therefor this is easy - we are supporting Trump and no one else. Trump time!
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So, because candidates from both parties lie, you are supporting the one candidate who absolutely lies more than any other? For what it's worth, Politifact has found upwards of 75% of Trump's policy statements and attacks on other candidates "mostly false", "false", or "Pants on Fire." If you care at all about the truth, as you say you do, you cannot possibly support Donald Trump and adhere to your allegiance to the truth. Support him as you will, but if you do, you cannot reasonably be said to care about the truth. Donald Trump doesn't give a hoot about facts or the truth, and his statements consistently show it.
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You do know he's running as a republican, right?
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Right. And I bet among a population of 320 Million, there are lots of non aligned uncorrupted people who haven't finished the fourth grade. Would you vote for them?
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I find it disturbing that Mr. Trump, including many of his followers, appear to not understand or either ignore the complex nature of national/international problems and issues including immigration, job creation, bringing about a living wage for all, foreign affairs, race relations, health care, poverty, climate change, Wall Street, gun reform, getting along with foreign leaders, our imbalanced economy that's excellent for some, good for others and bad for too many, and on and on.
Thus, Trump being seemingly unaware of the complex nature of national/international affairs, is a trait that bothers me the most. Addressing problems in a simplistic way, (expel all undocumented immigrants; keep all Muslims out) without the wisdom that comes from seeing a bigger more complete picture can cause one to get in over their head before they even realize what happened. (For example Declaring war on Iraq.)
As H.L. Mencken once stated "For every complex problem there is an answer that is concise, clear, simple--and wrong."
Thus, Trump being seemingly unaware of the complex nature of national/international affairs, is a trait that bothers me the most. Addressing problems in a simplistic way, (expel all undocumented immigrants; keep all Muslims out) without the wisdom that comes from seeing a bigger more complete picture can cause one to get in over their head before they even realize what happened. (For example Declaring war on Iraq.)
As H.L. Mencken once stated "For every complex problem there is an answer that is concise, clear, simple--and wrong."
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Wasn't Trump against the Iraq war?
I realize his view was really " simplistic without the wisdom that comes from seeing a bigger more complete picture....." - but it was "concise, clear, simple----and right".
I realize his view was really " simplistic without the wisdom that comes from seeing a bigger more complete picture....." - but it was "concise, clear, simple----and right".
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“…concise, clear, simple…” You mean, a hunch.
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He may very well understand the complex nature of international problems (how could one be a billionaire business man and not know that?) but he also knows a percentage of his clientele are not interested in subtleties at this stage.
The populoso looky-loo "entertain me" crowd want little bites of sound and not nuance.
They crave the polemics and probably tell the pollsters whatever they think would be most upsetting to the pollsters. Maybe they're looking up racist phrases on Google for the same reason.
I think the actual primaries will be a face-slapping-Kevin-screaming moment for the Trump camp. Without the perfumy smell.
The populoso looky-loo "entertain me" crowd want little bites of sound and not nuance.
They crave the polemics and probably tell the pollsters whatever they think would be most upsetting to the pollsters. Maybe they're looking up racist phrases on Google for the same reason.
I think the actual primaries will be a face-slapping-Kevin-screaming moment for the Trump camp. Without the perfumy smell.
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Trump's appeal is to those who feel political correctness is out of control. His answer is to be out of control with his own brand of political incorrectness. He appeals to the worst in people by simplifying bigotry, hatred, and greed as something which should be admirable. When you actually look at how he would govern and what his programs would be it's hard to see anything beyond bluster and bullying. I doubt he would hire anyone on his cabinet who would actually have the nerve to disagree with him so they would all have to be apprentices rather than qualified experts. Does anyone really want to trust the future of our country to that?
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We have a president who NEVER would have been elected had he not been black or half black. Obama would not even release his college transcripts. What is he covering up? We don't "feel" PC is out control we know it is.
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Are you under the mistaken impression thst previous presidents or candidates had released their college transcripts? None did, nor were they asked to do so. The only reason right wingers demanded that Mr. Obama release his college transcripts is because he is black, and thus suspected of being thereby intellectually inferior, riding on affirmative action, etc. How else did he get to Columbia, Harvard, an editor of the Law Review, etc? it was a racist demand, selectively made.
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I'm not black and I voted for him along with more than 51% of all Americans. I think you have identified yourself as one of those I described above. Obama hasn't been all that we had hoped but much of that has been due to obstructionists who want to keep this country in the past much as the Sharia Law Muslims want to do to their people. A clear majority of Americans voted for him and yet a minority has kept him from governing as that majority wanted. He is still light years better than his predecessor who was only in office because he was able to buy the Supreme Court. Most of us suffered through eight years of Bush ineptitude as he drove our economy into the ditch and engaged us in a needless quagmire in the middle east which cost us a fortune in lives and treasure and destabilized that region for generations to come. Yet we refrained from the vile attacks that have been hurled at Obama for seven years. As much as we disagreed with Bush, he was our President - something that you seem to still deny Obama with silly fantasy charges like graduation records.
And so the Times sneers at Trump's "less educated supporters"? Equates it to a racist map? What exactly is it about the "silent majority" - our compatriots - that causes such discomfort here? Have we all truly lost the capacity to listen? I am an educated female, a Northeast "liberal" Democrat, but enough is enough. After all these years of war, more war, crumbling infrastructure, debt, pathetic governing on all sides, public education that's barely above a joke.....at this point, I don't care if Trump knows a guy who knows a guy who knows a samurai: I just want to see something get done.
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Vote for Trump at your own peril.
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If you want to vote for someone who will actually make change, then vote for Bernie sanders. Trump will start change, but the art of the deal is always there and he is a master. sanders will change things and he is like a bull dog. He will bite into the problem and not let go. All of the working and middle class and all of the poor class who want to eat regularly should vote for Bernie Sanders and all the rest should simply make a game of it and vote for trump or Hillary. If you want change =Bernie. If you want more of the same =Trump/Hillary.
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Beyond doubting very much that you're educated well, I hope you enjoy leading the march into the Sudetenland.
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it's perhaps not surprising that the most avid supporters of donald trump are too lazy to comprehend the issues, too lazy to vote, and too lazy to change their party registration.
it was a little surprising to see the upshot make the lazy association between the geographical distributions of trumpism and racism. the southeast sustained an enormous impoverishment from slave culture, civil war and the corruption of reconstruction, and this still appears in the geographical distributions of religious fundamentalism, poverty, social mobility, education, health status -- even federal transfer of funds -- and, yes, racism.
for me, the story of trump is much simpler: the world is becoming continuously more complex, more unpredictable and more threatening. trump supporters all share a common trait: they want the comfort of simple answers.
it was a little surprising to see the upshot make the lazy association between the geographical distributions of trumpism and racism. the southeast sustained an enormous impoverishment from slave culture, civil war and the corruption of reconstruction, and this still appears in the geographical distributions of religious fundamentalism, poverty, social mobility, education, health status -- even federal transfer of funds -- and, yes, racism.
for me, the story of trump is much simpler: the world is becoming continuously more complex, more unpredictable and more threatening. trump supporters all share a common trait: they want the comfort of simple answers.
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Hv to admire the way Trump is running strong in states that vote first (excluding poor predictor Iowa).
Like Wyoming isn't voting Republican in the general with Trump on the ticket? Ha.
Clinton's strongest suit in the general was always going to be the Appalachian vote that would put a dent in the usual republican advantage of a solid south victory (Virginia, North Carolina, Florida e.g.). It seems Trump might be a tough competitor for that vote.
Has the demo skewed enough towards minorities to compensate for the loss to dems of Appalachian vote? Dunno. My guess is that Clintons will depend mainly on turnout at this stage and will need to come up with more than politically polite "$5000 tax credits" to beat Trump.
Like Wyoming isn't voting Republican in the general with Trump on the ticket? Ha.
Clinton's strongest suit in the general was always going to be the Appalachian vote that would put a dent in the usual republican advantage of a solid south victory (Virginia, North Carolina, Florida e.g.). It seems Trump might be a tough competitor for that vote.
Has the demo skewed enough towards minorities to compensate for the loss to dems of Appalachian vote? Dunno. My guess is that Clintons will depend mainly on turnout at this stage and will need to come up with more than politically polite "$5000 tax credits" to beat Trump.
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"Has the demo skewed enough towards minorities...?"
Has the demo skewed *at all* towards minorities?
Has the demo skewed *at all* towards minorities?
The connection to race is a pretty big jump given that you provide no polling data to support the connection. The fact that more race tainted searches are made in states where Trump does well is no more compelling than the fact that he doesn't appear to be doing well in drought-plagued states either. You suggest that racist voters support Trump. Should we also conclude that thirsty voters do as well? The remainder of the article presents demographic data that is anchored in the results of the polling. If those who conducted the poll intended to explore a race connection they could have included appropriate questions designed to address race based attitudes. I have to wonder why the authors of this article decided to go beyond what the data actually supports. Bad journalism.
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I agree with you FR. Civis Analytics is anything but analytic.
['The margin of uncertainty around the congressional district estimates is plus or minus 8.7 percentage points,']
I've been doing accurate, dependable polling for organizations for more than 30 years. and this is the poorest thing I've seen in a long time. Their so-called "margin of uncertainty" is more commonly referred to as the margin of error. And when the margin of error or the "margin of uncertainty" is 8.7% the poll findings become meaningless.
The study, the findings, and the analysis are systemically wrong from the base hypothesis. What a ridiculous waste of time and money. I for one would not have the hubris to make it public, nor would I attempt to connect such wobbly findings to anything else, much less outlandish racist theories.
Bad journalism, indeed. And bad primary research, too. Why are we even discussing this? We have better things to do.
['The margin of uncertainty around the congressional district estimates is plus or minus 8.7 percentage points,']
I've been doing accurate, dependable polling for organizations for more than 30 years. and this is the poorest thing I've seen in a long time. Their so-called "margin of uncertainty" is more commonly referred to as the margin of error. And when the margin of error or the "margin of uncertainty" is 8.7% the poll findings become meaningless.
The study, the findings, and the analysis are systemically wrong from the base hypothesis. What a ridiculous waste of time and money. I for one would not have the hubris to make it public, nor would I attempt to connect such wobbly findings to anything else, much less outlandish racist theories.
Bad journalism, indeed. And bad primary research, too. Why are we even discussing this? We have better things to do.
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Why is anyone surprised that a demagogue with a strong personality could have wide appeal? It could happen here.
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No one is surprised. Many have been elected, or more probably selected since the early days of our nation -- Jackson, Lincoln, both Roosevelts TR and FDR to name a few.
In my research and observations, I see a public -- a massive voting group -- who is crying out for a man on horseback. It's a market need (in political governance) not to be ignored.
While I'm not agreeing with your implied characterization of Trump, the nation is most definitely on its way to fascism. It has happened here.
In my research and observations, I see a public -- a massive voting group -- who is crying out for a man on horseback. It's a market need (in political governance) not to be ignored.
While I'm not agreeing with your implied characterization of Trump, the nation is most definitely on its way to fascism. It has happened here.
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Demagoguery entails manipulating people's emotions for an ulterior purpose. This is never the case with a real populist like TR and FDR.
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Trump and Sanders are tapping into an anger that is right under the skin of a lot of Americans. Add to that they use straightforward speech, I will do this, this will stop if i am elected president and you have a hit. Unfortunately, both trump and Sanders play to baser human emotions rather than thoughtfulness and intellect. Their story is "I will make others pay for the troubles that you experience." What we need is more rational statements and thoughts of where we are at and where we want to go. There are changes in the country / world and it would be beneficial if we talked a out them in a rational manner rather than Twitter sound bites. We need to get back to where we were able to make a deal with people. I may not get everything that I want but I can live with this comprise. This take no prisoners attitude in the public domain is driving us to Trump / Sanders style politicians and will tear us apart as a country.
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Mike, you say, "both trump and Sanders play to baser human emotions rather than thoughtfulness and intellect." But no one votes from their intellect. No one does anything based on intellect. Everyone, even you and me, act in response to emotional motivators and barriers.
The nation has become polarized and nearly irreparably split because of ideologies, which are nothing more than emotional rationalizations of things we think we agree with, or don't. The mind can rationalize anything.
Yes, you are quite correct, "Trump and Sanders are tapping into an anger that is right under the skin of a lot of Americans. Add to that they use straightforward speech." Nothing could be more appealing than this. I would be so bold as to suggest that more than a lot of Americans are extremely angry about the kind of governance we have devolved into. And they do like the fact that these two candidates speak very straightforwardly. so much so that what the say sometimes sounds strange given the establishment politicians of either party who present old stale ideas reworked, which anyone knows means more of the same. I can sympathize with these "emotional" people in either party, or no party, because they have been good citizens, done what's right, played by the rules, and still get shafted by the establishment elite.
The nation has become polarized and nearly irreparably split because of ideologies, which are nothing more than emotional rationalizations of things we think we agree with, or don't. The mind can rationalize anything.
Yes, you are quite correct, "Trump and Sanders are tapping into an anger that is right under the skin of a lot of Americans. Add to that they use straightforward speech." Nothing could be more appealing than this. I would be so bold as to suggest that more than a lot of Americans are extremely angry about the kind of governance we have devolved into. And they do like the fact that these two candidates speak very straightforwardly. so much so that what the say sometimes sounds strange given the establishment politicians of either party who present old stale ideas reworked, which anyone knows means more of the same. I can sympathize with these "emotional" people in either party, or no party, because they have been good citizens, done what's right, played by the rules, and still get shafted by the establishment elite.
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Sanders spoke at Liberty University, founded by Jerry Falwell and a bastion of conservatism. I believe the president of Liberty University has urged all students and staff to be armed. Sanders doesn't dismiss all conservatives as evil. But he is truthful about the excessive power of money in this society. I'm bothered by your equation of Trump and Sanders.
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If Trump can break up the Republican I, an exclusive third party Ralph Nader otherwise nonvoter, will gladly pull the lever for him. However since not being registered in any 2 party, I don't have that primary priviledge .
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Just wanted to offer a personal thanks for the eight years of Bush and the current Republcan Congress your principles helped give us.
Thanks.
Thanks.
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You're part of the problem, not the solution. I'd like to believe in unicorns too, but guess what? They don't exist. There are two Americas, not three; one side is right and the other is wrong. I'd have more respect for you if you voted for Ted Cruz than someone like Ralph Nader. Pick a side.
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I believe that nearly all Bush, Carson, Cruz and Rubio supporters have in common of absolutely refusing to consider voting for Trump, which means that as each of these candidates will successively withdraw from the race, most of its supporters will go to one of the remaining candidates in their group and very few to Trump. In other words, Trump is locked into a low 30% vote, while his final opponent will go past the 50% mark as he collects votes from a group more than twice as big.
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Both parties have abandoned the average worker. The Republicans favor the rich. The Democrats favor various special interests. Trump is smart enough to identify a target group that has nowhere else to go. The elites from both parties have no one to blame but themselves if they let this neglected voting bloc get away.
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The Republicans only care about the rich.
The Democrats only care about the poor.
Neither party cares about the middle class and no democracy can thrive without a strong middle class.
The Democrats only care about the poor.
Neither party cares about the middle class and no democracy can thrive without a strong middle class.
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I doubt Trump is going to be the next Teddy Roosevelt. What he says is usually nonsense, whether he means it or not. When he says he's going to bring back jobs from China, does he mean it? Is he delusional? Is he lying? Same with the Mexico wall.
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Yeah, he'll bring back jobs from China. Did anyone hold a gun to his head to for e him to have a line of licensed Trumplestiltskin mens wear manufactured in yes, China? If he wanted, he could have forced them to be made here, like actual patriotic American Joseph Abboud.
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Well, let's see. He's going to get a wall built across the entire US/Mexico border (nearly 2,000 miles long) and it will be free for us because he's going to "make Mexico pay for it." As to how he's going to make jobs come back from China, well, I guess he'll just make them come back.
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My freshman year in college, 1970, we were electing a student body president. The most popular nominee was Darg, a 30-pound orange cat that lived in the men's dorm. The school dean put the word out that if Darg was elected he would disband the student government altogether. Yep, Darg won in a landslide. In that same spirit, I plan to vote for Trump!
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I want to vote against the establishment. it would be either Trump or Sanders. I just can't wait four more years to break up the establishment. I am independent normally vote for democratic candidates.
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Bad approach. Vote for the candidate who has most real competency and ability to serve the country.
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Not sure that Trump even believes half of what he says. But his audiences do. Can't be any worse than the typical politician.
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There is an apocryphal tale about a Russian peasant finding and rubbing Aladdin's lamp. When the genie asked the peasant to make a wish, the peasant told the genie to kill his neighbor's cow.
He would be a Trump supporter in the US today.
He would be a Trump supporter in the US today.
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Not sure Russians believe this tale to be apocryphal. But, anyway, love the story and the insight. Thanks for the grin on this last day of a really weird political year.
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By Perseus:
When is taking the high-road no longer the right road?
It seems that taking the high-road doesn't work in America. A sad state of affairs.
All that have attempted to thwart the Donald with logic, reason, facts, or even common sense, are met with scathing rebuke from the tight lipped pout
that the media loves to put on air for the ratings. (And lets not forget his almost fanatical followers- mob mentality rules- not even Sarah Palin had that)
It is worrisome that in today's world it is ok to demonize specific groups, taunt other religions, and disenfranchise great swaths of the American people in such a public way. Is this a joke being played on us by a wealthy bored loud mouth? It's also worrisome that these antics are only paving the way for some other more frightening characters to take center stage should a "President Trump" not become a reality. Which begs the question --is this all it really is for him?--- another reality TV show that will soon air whether he wins or not.... The future will soon tell us.
When is taking the high-road no longer the right road?
It seems that taking the high-road doesn't work in America. A sad state of affairs.
All that have attempted to thwart the Donald with logic, reason, facts, or even common sense, are met with scathing rebuke from the tight lipped pout
that the media loves to put on air for the ratings. (And lets not forget his almost fanatical followers- mob mentality rules- not even Sarah Palin had that)
It is worrisome that in today's world it is ok to demonize specific groups, taunt other religions, and disenfranchise great swaths of the American people in such a public way. Is this a joke being played on us by a wealthy bored loud mouth? It's also worrisome that these antics are only paving the way for some other more frightening characters to take center stage should a "President Trump" not become a reality. Which begs the question --is this all it really is for him?--- another reality TV show that will soon air whether he wins or not.... The future will soon tell us.
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I am not a fan of Trump's brand of vitriol, or really of anything about Trump, but making this sort of correlation without comparing it to other candidates support reads rather like a hatchet job that will only help Trump.
There are likely a number of demographic or search terms that would correlate much better, and without comparing the correlation of racially charged searches to other candidates geographical base of support it seems like you are unfairly singling out Trump for this.
It seems likely that the levels of support for all the Republican candidates would correlate highly with racially charged searches on google, or looking at the maps, any candidate with more support in the east than the west.
If the intention is on any level singling Trump out, this is just the sort of thing that gives him more attention than he deserves, not the sort of article that will persuade level headed people to end their support for his brand of politics.
There are likely a number of demographic or search terms that would correlate much better, and without comparing the correlation of racially charged searches to other candidates geographical base of support it seems like you are unfairly singling out Trump for this.
It seems likely that the levels of support for all the Republican candidates would correlate highly with racially charged searches on google, or looking at the maps, any candidate with more support in the east than the west.
If the intention is on any level singling Trump out, this is just the sort of thing that gives him more attention than he deserves, not the sort of article that will persuade level headed people to end their support for his brand of politics.
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The New York Times seems to want to help Trump in any way it can. It's pitiful that the mainstream media won't print the horrid things he says about non-whites and women. He is a disgusting example of everything a decent person would not want in a president or any other status depicting America.
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It is hard to avoid the conclusion that these supporters are driven by racism and xenophobia and little else. Others have pointed out that this was a hallmark of the Democratic party in the South--the Dixiecrats--before Kennedy, LBJ and civil rights legislation, so there is no surprise that historic Democratic registrants are now voting for the candidate with the vilest message on these two topics. Nor is it surprising that they don't vote very often. Filled with hate and loathing for all but whites they are neither informed, nor are they really interested in participating in civic life. They certainly are not reachable with a "black" president in the White House, and the natural misogyny in red-state Southern culture is not going to favor Hilary, nor a Jew from New York--not from these "registered Democrats."
We just heard Jeb Bush on NPR attribute the rise of Donald Trump to President Obama. A more absurd statement was never made. According to Jeb! Obama "divided the nation" and gave rise to Trump's appeal.
News flash for Jeb!: The deep racist feelings of the Trump supporters were always there just waiting for a candidate to articulate them, or rather pander to these bigoted sentiments.
We just heard Jeb Bush on NPR attribute the rise of Donald Trump to President Obama. A more absurd statement was never made. According to Jeb! Obama "divided the nation" and gave rise to Trump's appeal.
News flash for Jeb!: The deep racist feelings of the Trump supporters were always there just waiting for a candidate to articulate them, or rather pander to these bigoted sentiments.
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This is the most fun election I have seen in years. Trump is a boor, but he is a first-rate showman. He's a political naif, nobody is pulling his strings, and he's clobbering all of these professional politicians at their own game. Everyone is so worried and I say relax and enjoy the ride. The country will survive, it always has. Just go throughout our history and see some of the dingbats we have had as POTUS. Life is short, laugh a little.
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As an older white voter who cast his first vote ever for Eugene McCarthy, I think you missed a whole demographic. Although I am older and white, I consider myself to be a libertarian leaning progressive, of the Theodore Roosevelt school. I have two post graduate degrees.
First, I am tired of Democrats who, once elected, behave like Republicans. Richard Nixon was more progressive than Hillary Clinton, in my opinion. Richard Nixon would have never repealed Glass Steagall, or opposed its re-adoption. And the environment and workplace became much safer under Nixon, with the EPA and OSHA coming into being in his administration.
Second, the idea of political families handing the Presidency back and forth is repulsive. A pox on both Jeb! and Hilllary.
Third, I remember my father, a Democrat, was a supporter of Nelson Rockefeller. Why? Because he thought he was so wealthy, he advocated what he thought was right, not what donors wanted.
I look at the entire field of candidates of both parties. The only Democrat worth supporting is Sanders. On the Republican side, they all all neo-cons except for Trump and Paul. And Paul is going nowhere fast.
If the general election boils down to Trump vs Clinton, I will go with Trump.
First, I am tired of Democrats who, once elected, behave like Republicans. Richard Nixon was more progressive than Hillary Clinton, in my opinion. Richard Nixon would have never repealed Glass Steagall, or opposed its re-adoption. And the environment and workplace became much safer under Nixon, with the EPA and OSHA coming into being in his administration.
Second, the idea of political families handing the Presidency back and forth is repulsive. A pox on both Jeb! and Hilllary.
Third, I remember my father, a Democrat, was a supporter of Nelson Rockefeller. Why? Because he thought he was so wealthy, he advocated what he thought was right, not what donors wanted.
I look at the entire field of candidates of both parties. The only Democrat worth supporting is Sanders. On the Republican side, they all all neo-cons except for Trump and Paul. And Paul is going nowhere fast.
If the general election boils down to Trump vs Clinton, I will go with Trump.
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This makes no sense. Why would you vote for a greedy bigot who knows nothing of foreign policy and even less about economics and the way our government works?
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The only problem with that is that Donald Trump is not fit - or, experienced enough - to shine Nelson Rockefeller's shoes.
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The irony of this statement is that your description of "a man who knows nothing of foreign policy and even less about economics" fits President
Obama to a tee.
Obama to a tee.
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The area in question has a nickname, and although a disparagement that is probably not either perfectly accurate or complete, it does address the swath that voted democrat in the 2008 primary for the White Hillary Clinton, then switched out when the nominee was a Black guy with a Middle Eastern middle name.
The moniker is "The Bigot Belt."
I first heard in reference to the swap out in democrat support away from Obama in 08, in a swath of the US from central Pennsylvania to Oklahoma. It's a useful starting point for searching the Internet for more facts on this demographic.
The moniker is "The Bigot Belt."
I first heard in reference to the swap out in democrat support away from Obama in 08, in a swath of the US from central Pennsylvania to Oklahoma. It's a useful starting point for searching the Internet for more facts on this demographic.
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And the phrase Bigot Belt is not bigoted? Its not bigoted against mocked and disdained white Americans in fly over country?
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I suppose intolerance of racism is a kind of bigotry, yes. A desirable kind.
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Imagine if the Democrats hadn't joined the GOP in championing neo-liberalism and government-bad-me-too-ism. Imagine if Democrats had argued against all the free trade nonsense, if they'd have stated clearly what financial de-regulation was all about, if they'd stood on the side of unions instead of allowing the right to have their way with them. Imagine if Democrats gave their previous natural constituency an economic reason to be and stay Democrats instead of gradually gravitate to the party that dangled tribalism, racism, and irrelevant social issues in front of them as a molester dangles candy in front of a child.
They'd have a case. And none of this could have happened. Only some small short-term losses.
But Democrats didn't do that. They were and are cowards.
They'd have a case. And none of this could have happened. Only some small short-term losses.
But Democrats didn't do that. They were and are cowards.
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Donald just might have a shot at the Republican nomination if he can tone down his mean-spirited rhetoric. Since Twitter is now going to monitor posts for "hateful speech," he might be forced to start filtering his divisive nature which, ironically, could actually help him get the necessary votes to face off against the Democratic nominee. And if he's successful at becoming more in control of himself, Twitter-wise, he really just might prove himself worthy, in the eyes of the Electoral College, to become POTUS.
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I would love to see how Donald Trump would do on a high school civics test. I'm guessing he'd fail - miserably. He seems to believe that he's running for the CEO of the USA, and will govern by executive fiat. So what if there are legislative and judicial branches of the government that are constitutionally co-equal. No problem: he's Donald Trump and what he says, goes. I would characterize him as fundamentally ignorant; and by using the association principle, would extend that characterization to his supporters. They may not be stupid, or lacking in education. But ignorant - profoundly so - they most certainly are.
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There's gone to be a Republican congress because of the power of incumbency. Trump would do well.
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WRONG WRONG WRONG. Trump's strongest Democratic supporters are we Liberals who LOVE the Trump Circus. LOVE IT. I support him all the way. Trump brings "Dean Martin Roasts" to a whole new level. We love Trump speeches in which he says nothing except how super-wonderful Trump is and how successful Trump is and how horrible and awful everyone is who dislikes Trump or disagrees with Trump. Trump, Trump, Trump!! We love the spectacle, the impossible madness of it all. We love him more than we love Sarah Palin! And we will LOVE watching Mr. Donald J. Trump go down in the spectacular flames that are only a matter of time. When that happens the fireworks display will make the Fourth of July yellow with envy.
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In other words, the people who are allegedly supporting Donald Trump are totally confused.
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So all I gathered from this article is if you're white, undereducted or a racist democrat, you want to vote for Trump.
While the view must look nice from the intellectual ivory tower of progressiveness, there are a large swath of individuals who simply do not agree with big government. These people are not stupid because of their views. It makes me all the less likely to check the 'D' box after reading this judgmental piece of rubbish.
While the view must look nice from the intellectual ivory tower of progressiveness, there are a large swath of individuals who simply do not agree with big government. These people are not stupid because of their views. It makes me all the less likely to check the 'D' box after reading this judgmental piece of rubbish.
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Many of those whom you say don't like big government DO LIKE all the benefits they get, e.g., Medicare, Medicaid, Social Security and "I'll "bet" are highly enrolled in OBAMACARE (ACA for those who don't know they entire alphabet). Should the repubs get in and create all the havoc they say they will, these individuals will be the first to say "WHAAAA, where's my check and why do i have to pay to see a doctor".
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Trump has come out AGAINST cuts to Social Security, and has said that Medicare works well. Obama has wanted to cut SS ever since he was elected, and, using lack of a COLA has effectively done so. Obamas health care advisor, Ezekiel Emanuel, has written publicly that seniors are a waste of resources and shouldnt live beyond 75.
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Trump has absolutely no policy agenda to combat "big government." His campaign is merely a visceral appeal to the disaffected with no content whatsoever.
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Years ago, before the Civil Rights legislation, the Democrat party had a lock on the South, largely because the Republicans were the party of Lincoln. It was referred to as the solid South, and Democrats controlled all the politics at the local, state, and national levels. They were often referred to as Dixiecrats and shared no real affiliation with liberal Democrats of the North with exception that they both disliked Republicans. Following the Civil Rights legislation, where blacks began to vote in the South in large numbers, they organized as Democrats, so naturally the Dixiecrats of the deep south became Republicans and the South is now solid again, only now they are Republicans. But in the border areas, Kentucky, West Virginia, Missouri, Southern Indiana, Illinois, and Ohio, areas where black residents were not as numerous, the Dixiecrats did not switch parties, at least at the local and state level, so they still call themselves Democrats, even though on the national level they now always vote Republican. It is the among the old old Dixiecrats, less well educated, conservative white segregation sympathizers, where Donald Trump has the bulk of his support.
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So if I am a black college educated woman that supports Trump, what will you call me? Where do I fit in your stereotype?
This is the issue that angers me: Trump has many supporters, like Sanders but the media ignores our existence. We have a voice and it is time you acknowledge a crowd long forgotten.
This is the issue that angers me: Trump has many supporters, like Sanders but the media ignores our existence. We have a voice and it is time you acknowledge a crowd long forgotten.
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Caleb, We agree on all points but one: yes, his supporters are frustrated, angry, feel the system is rigged against them, and wrong. But they are also racists. If you want to bar or tar or intern any group based on race or religion, you are a racist, and your followers are, too. As the scholars say: "res ipsa loquitur", "the thing speaks for itself", and in this case for his followers, too.
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I'm curious to know what Trump has ever said that might possibly appeal to a black college-educated woman. When I hear him talk, all I hear is bluster and insults. I've yet to hear an actual policy proposal, outside of a tax "plan" that would explode the deficit.
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The article seems to ignore and many Commenters seem not to understand that a significant part of Trump's support comes from the fact that he has an unusual form of credibility, as sad as that is. All of the other candidates speak in focus group tested, ad agency massaged slogans, which will change with the next set of poll data. The stuff that comes out of Trump's mouth would clearly never pass those barriers.
As a result, much of the electorate which, across-the-board, is tired of politicians who say one thing but do another, are willing to support a candidate who, they believe, actually is saying what he believes. The substance of what is being said becomes secondary to the credibility of the speaker. In a sense, many are saying, "Better the devil I know than the devil I can't know."
As a result, much of the electorate which, across-the-board, is tired of politicians who say one thing but do another, are willing to support a candidate who, they believe, actually is saying what he believes. The substance of what is being said becomes secondary to the credibility of the speaker. In a sense, many are saying, "Better the devil I know than the devil I can't know."
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Trumps style is that of one who is coming across as a populist candidate in which he is stating simplistic ideas that register with some of the potential voters and make it sound like he is sympathetic to their plights and attempts to come across as if he is one of them. Of course, when all is said and done, this could not be further from the truth. The fact that he states he is paying for his own campaign, in the long run, means little.
He is a wealthy man that came from a wealthy family who realistically relates little, if any, to his supporters and if he ever became President, ultimately, among other things, his policies of low taxes. little regulation and streamlined government would bear an uncanny resemblance to those in the Republican Party that he currently says he opposes.
He is a wealthy man that came from a wealthy family who realistically relates little, if any, to his supporters and if he ever became President, ultimately, among other things, his policies of low taxes. little regulation and streamlined government would bear an uncanny resemblance to those in the Republican Party that he currently says he opposes.
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Trump is indeed fascinating in that the things that shoot gown other politicians just bounce off of him. Perhaps a guy who appears determined and positively angry gets extra credit. Perhaps it is just the novelty factor of he who refuses to play the P.C. charade.
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His 'fans' aren't paying attention to his economics. All they care about is that wall and the PC stuff.
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According to exit polls, Obama got a higher percentage of white voters in 2012 than Congressional Democrats got in 2010. That really calls into question the assertion that racial animus has been a drag on Obama's popularity. Logically, it would imply that some whites voted for Obama, because he was black, since ideologically, he was clearly to the Left of the Democratic Party in general. In other words, someone voted for Obama but not someone like Heath Shuler. Also, it's worth noting that Cain and Carson have at times been leading in the Republican primary polls. Cain was destroyed by sex harassment claims. Carson has been damaged by (apparently false) claims that he lied, some odd comments (the pyramids), and a lack of familiarity with foreign policy. But they certainly were given a hearing.
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The electorate in presidential years is not identical to the off year group. the off year electorate skews older and whiter. even the white off year voters tend to be more conservative and more likely to harbor racial biases than the younger presidential year crowd.
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Trump really is just an Archie Bunker from the 1%. Therein lies the enigma of his candidacy. My concern is that Trump shows the emotional maturity of twelve year old.
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He's quoted in a book that came out about him in the summer that he's exactly the same person as he was when he was 6 years old.
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I can believe it. His comment about Mrs. Clinton going to the bathroom as being "disgusting" was the most disturbing thing he has said to date. What kind of person cannot accept the fact that all people have to relieve themselves on a daily basis? There are literally two year olds that are able to acknowledge this fact with no problem.
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IMHO think this and many articles miss the broader point. American Society is changing and many "white" working class people fear this change. The changes are both demographic and economic. As "white" European-Americans become a minority instead of a majority, they are going to want leadership from their perceived leaders to negotiate with other minority communities. Many "white" intellectuals don't get the fact that the white working class Americans look at them as alien creatures who do not represent or understand their values. And the prescriptions provided by these intellectuals often dis-empowerment these communities (ie, use of the judicial system instead of grassroots work). If the Democratic party is really interested with connecting to this world, then they are going to have to work with these communities as partners and respect them as equals.
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Great comment. The problem so many working class people have with American style liberals - a different group from European worker party types - is that when things go wrong with their enlightened, supposedly fair policies, the negative consequences never personally effect these enlightened limousine liberals and their families, they only effect the working class people who usually cant afford to move. For example, its nice that free trade has helped the poor in Asia, but it closed factories in the US, and working class people cant afford to move, and cant afford to pay for the much ballyhooed education that we keep hearing will bring more jobs. And thats just one example.
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I read an article in the NY Times about the ultra rich top 400 and their private tax system. It gives them the ability to dodge taxes. The article indicated that the percent they pay now is about 10% less under Obama than when Bush Sr. left office in 1992. And yes the percent they pay has decreased under each President regardless of party. Do I really think Clinton or even Sanders or any Republican candidate will actually change this, come on. So I ask why not Trump?
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Did this just happen by magic or did the Bush administration's tax cuts for the rich and subsequent Republican control of one or both houses of Congress have something to do with it? Or are you saying that during Obama's first two years, the Democratic Congress and Obama frantically put into place all manner of tax advantages for the rich?
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Why would Trump change a tax system that favors the rich? He is one of them.
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The people last likely the vote, the less d]educated, the nation's biggest racists, et. al., not what a candidate should be proud of. But, if nothing else, this article exposes the "dumbing down of America". Those who most likely support Mr. Trump, are also those who rail about the national debt, Mr. Obama is not a citizen, Mr. Obama will take our guns away, immigrants are taking away jobs, etc.; all Mr. Trump talking points. In other words, Mr. Trump is favored by the "Archie Bunker crowd".
The same crowd, which also are first in line to get federal and state aid even though in public they decry it.
It is actually pitiful that in what is suppose to be the most advanced country in the world, that it house probably the highest population of ignorant people, percentage wise, in the world.
From A Christmas Carol, about "Ignorance and Want":
“Spirit, are they yours?” Scrooge could say no more.
“They are Man’s,” said the Spirit, looking down upon them. “And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, "
On the current course, the Us ihe heading for "Doom".
“Have they no refuge or resource?” cried Scrooge.
“Are there no prisons?” said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with his own words. “Are there no workhouses?”
The same crowd, which also are first in line to get federal and state aid even though in public they decry it.
It is actually pitiful that in what is suppose to be the most advanced country in the world, that it house probably the highest population of ignorant people, percentage wise, in the world.
From A Christmas Carol, about "Ignorance and Want":
“Spirit, are they yours?” Scrooge could say no more.
“They are Man’s,” said the Spirit, looking down upon them. “And they cling to me, appealing from their fathers. This boy is Ignorance. This girl is Want. Beware them both, and all of their degree, but most of all beware this boy, for on his brow I see that written which is Doom, "
On the current course, the Us ihe heading for "Doom".
“Have they no refuge or resource?” cried Scrooge.
“Are there no prisons?” said the Spirit, turning on him for the last time with his own words. “Are there no workhouses?”
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This article misses the boat to a certain degree. In my solidly over-educated, upper middle class neighborhood, support for Trump is sky high. My seemingly sensible neighbors are thrilled that Trump seems not to have a PC bone in his body and is willing to be blunt. Many think that Trump would be better than any of the other GOPers, while avoiding the pitfalls of Clinton-Bush dynastic politics. Astonishing as it is, Trump has tapped into something that has a lot of influence across the education and economic divide.
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I hate to break it to you but your neighborhood doesn't represent the country as a whole.
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What he has tapped into is called "stupidity and laziness in the face of complex problems." And that is something that can flourish in spite of education and/or prosperity.
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Nate Cohn cites data that disagrees with your assessment. I prefer to rely on that, rather than your anecdotal: "In my solidly over-educated, upper middle class neighborhood, support for Trump is sky high."
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I would dig deeper, into human nature. Some things are difficult to quantify. In the end, maybe Trump is the ultimate provocateur, a vehicle for the visceral. For or against, we (and I include myself) have a new outlet for our fears, anger, excitement, mockery, voyeurism, division, disenfranchisement, elitism, disdain and more.
The rush of it all? I see it as fleeting. The traction of the outsized campaign? Sure seems like a good time to focus on the current state of electoral politics. Does the system continue to reflect the tenets of democracy? Power vested in the people, directly and through representation, checks and balances, fairness, inclusion, engagement. How do 2-plus-year campaigns, super PACs, and the business of division, for example, support the fundamental foundation? Voting, expanded access, civil discourse, abridged election cycles and campaign finance reform may not be as exciting but we have many other outlets in this great country.
The rush of it all? I see it as fleeting. The traction of the outsized campaign? Sure seems like a good time to focus on the current state of electoral politics. Does the system continue to reflect the tenets of democracy? Power vested in the people, directly and through representation, checks and balances, fairness, inclusion, engagement. How do 2-plus-year campaigns, super PACs, and the business of division, for example, support the fundamental foundation? Voting, expanded access, civil discourse, abridged election cycles and campaign finance reform may not be as exciting but we have many other outlets in this great country.
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That the less affluent support Trump is not that surprising since he is providing them with the false hope that he cantering jobs back to the US which he cannot. The more disturbing trend is that the less educated support Trump. They are the voting block that consistently votes against their own self interest since this group is most susceptible to the false rhetoric espoused by Trump. The working class still has not figured out that wealthy people like Trump can care less about their station in life. As far as the wealthy class is concerned poor and working class people deserve to be poor and working class. Just listen how they talk. The last thing we need is having the less educated be the influential voting block that helps elect the next president. Stupidity is not an excuse in a nation that provides an education to all and most have the opportunity to move on to higher education should they so desire.
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Why do people have such contempt for the non college educated Americans? They didn't go to college. They are not stupid. I see many democrats and liberals say they are voting against their own interests-the underlying assumption is that they are too stupid to understand what's right for them.. Maybe people like us do not understand what's important to this group.
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Thank you. Great post.
I used to laugh Trump off as wholly unelectable but that has changed.
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I agree he is not funny, but he is still unelectable. Republicans make up about 40% of the voters, so when Trump leads in the polls at 30%, what that means is that he is supported by about 12% of eligible voters. Even if he somehow manages to win the Republican nomination, and somehow voters hate the Democrat candidate so bad Trump can somehow double that number, he will still be below 30% nationally and a total disaster for Republicans down the ballot in 2016.
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In Texas primaries, voters can cross party lines. Thus, next May, my very Democratic Texas brother is going to vote for Trump just to skew Republican votes. Of course, he'll vote for Clinton in the final Presidential election next November.
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That is a very infantile game your brother is playing.
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Well functioning democracies are contingent on hard working, honest, ethical citizens that take their role seriously. You might want to tell your brother to do what's best for the country, if he doesn't support Trump. Don't put party over country.
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Go for it. I love the overall demographics in the general. Trump could blow out whatever the donkeys come up with.
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You can be sure this will scare the sh-t out of Mx. Hillary. You can be sure the people in Brooklyn are having many, many sleepless nights. Will their answer be more free stuff? Will it work? Most likely not, as these people that are attracted to Trump and do not get free stuff now. The only thing that will 'satisfy' will be a good poke in the eye of the establishment, of both parties.
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Trump exposes, inadvertently, the vacuity of the going-on two generation cowardly Democratic party's failed response to Reagan and the plutocrats' attack on America (and the world). They've succeeded only in alienating a good portion of their natural economic constituency.
The Democrats' response to Reagan and his odious, transparent, race-to-the-bottom disastrous free-market ideology was cowardice; me-too-market-fundamentalism, neo-liberalism/supply-side economics with a side of identity politics of the marginalized. By allowing themselves to be brow-beaten into market morons so they offer no more to their natural economic class constituency -- middle income and lower -- than the bared teeth party of the plutocrats . By becoming the party tied to identity politics of The Others they've alienated a large portion of the dominant culture in the country, who now think Democrats care not a whit about them. It's not hard to see why. But apparently Democrats can't see their own political stupidity.
If that isn't bad enough, they run away from their own accomplishments, acting as if they've done something wrong if that something can be tied to public effort.
You can't get more stupid than Democrats over the last two generations.
Republicans are a sick joke and an insult to decency and the planet. They deserve to lose. Unfortunately, Democrats don't deserve to win because they stand for nothing, believe in nothing, and they fight for nothing and nobody.
The Democrats' response to Reagan and his odious, transparent, race-to-the-bottom disastrous free-market ideology was cowardice; me-too-market-fundamentalism, neo-liberalism/supply-side economics with a side of identity politics of the marginalized. By allowing themselves to be brow-beaten into market morons so they offer no more to their natural economic class constituency -- middle income and lower -- than the bared teeth party of the plutocrats . By becoming the party tied to identity politics of The Others they've alienated a large portion of the dominant culture in the country, who now think Democrats care not a whit about them. It's not hard to see why. But apparently Democrats can't see their own political stupidity.
If that isn't bad enough, they run away from their own accomplishments, acting as if they've done something wrong if that something can be tied to public effort.
You can't get more stupid than Democrats over the last two generations.
Republicans are a sick joke and an insult to decency and the planet. They deserve to lose. Unfortunately, Democrats don't deserve to win because they stand for nothing, believe in nothing, and they fight for nothing and nobody.
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"Democrats don't deserve to win because they stand for nothing, believe in nothing, and they fight for nothing and nobody."
My response: ACA, Planned Parenthood, climate change, etc.
You paint with too broad a brush.
My response: ACA, Planned Parenthood, climate change, etc.
You paint with too broad a brush.
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You make these sound like pluses.
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To which my response is:
ACA, Planned Parenthood, climate change, etc.
They ran away from the ACA, and have made no argument for better. Climate change? Democrats? Hahahahahahahahaha..., for 6 years Obama said not a word. He -- Obama himself and his administration -- watered down the language of the Paris agreement. Planned Parenthood? Big deal. And that's the problem; Democrats champion trivialities while the right goes about the business of creating neo-feudalism and an inverted totalitarianism. The response by Democrats to divert the attention of ADD folks like you is to generate the outrage of their own supporters with their own trivial social issues. The right doesn't care about the social issues. They want to be slum landlords of a two-class world where everybody gets to share equally in the mere crumbs magnanimously doled out by the overlords.
Quit falling for it.
ACA, Planned Parenthood, climate change, etc.
They ran away from the ACA, and have made no argument for better. Climate change? Democrats? Hahahahahahahahaha..., for 6 years Obama said not a word. He -- Obama himself and his administration -- watered down the language of the Paris agreement. Planned Parenthood? Big deal. And that's the problem; Democrats champion trivialities while the right goes about the business of creating neo-feudalism and an inverted totalitarianism. The response by Democrats to divert the attention of ADD folks like you is to generate the outrage of their own supporters with their own trivial social issues. The right doesn't care about the social issues. They want to be slum landlords of a two-class world where everybody gets to share equally in the mere crumbs magnanimously doled out by the overlords.
Quit falling for it.
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I think some people are afraid to say they support Trump for fear of being labeled sexist, racist, etc. I think his support is probably greater than reported in polling.
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I'm sure someone has pointed this out, but our messed up partisan primary system essentially forces people in some areas with closed primaries to register for the dominate party because that parties nominee is essentially guaranteed to win the general election. We need jungle primaries to reduce the excessive influence of the parties and also instant run-off voting to assure the best candidates are on the ballot in the general election.
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Trump is very much like what former Speaker of the House Newt Gingrich was once called. He is what a stupid person thinks a wise politician looks like.
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Would anyone in their right mind want to be a member of a Trump Cabinet?
Would any member of the U.S. Military consider an order from a President Trump to a lawful order?
Would any member of the U.S. Military consider an order from a President Trump to a lawful order?
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Above it all, the liberal and conservative reaction to Trump is fascinating.
The Democratic and Republican party are both failing to address the real economic hardships facing the middle class; Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump both appeal in this regard.
Conservatives are disaffected and distrustful of the GOP DC Beltway political machine that serves entrenched political interests, and therefore Trump has a unique appeal, over the GOP candidates carefully cultivated/owned by special interests. The psychology of Trump's appeal to conservatives may also be extended by his "Alpha Male" campaign strategy where he "apparently" does not self edit his speech, resulting in a brusque, confrontational tone that is not polite to anyone's feelings -- especially towards liberal sensitivities. This approach has enraged liberals, while pushing some undecideds into his corner merely because they don't like being manipulated by the media any longer.
Trump might not necessarily be the worst possible President for 2016. The worst possible President would be someone who would get people killed in another unnecessary war, or promote corrupt economic policies that would increase financial ruin on millions of Americans.
If Trump gains the GOP nomination, politics would become even more divided and inane than ever. The dialogue of the Presidential race would devolve further into personality at the loss of needed debate about substantive issues.
The Democratic and Republican party are both failing to address the real economic hardships facing the middle class; Bernie Sanders and Donald Trump both appeal in this regard.
Conservatives are disaffected and distrustful of the GOP DC Beltway political machine that serves entrenched political interests, and therefore Trump has a unique appeal, over the GOP candidates carefully cultivated/owned by special interests. The psychology of Trump's appeal to conservatives may also be extended by his "Alpha Male" campaign strategy where he "apparently" does not self edit his speech, resulting in a brusque, confrontational tone that is not polite to anyone's feelings -- especially towards liberal sensitivities. This approach has enraged liberals, while pushing some undecideds into his corner merely because they don't like being manipulated by the media any longer.
Trump might not necessarily be the worst possible President for 2016. The worst possible President would be someone who would get people killed in another unnecessary war, or promote corrupt economic policies that would increase financial ruin on millions of Americans.
If Trump gains the GOP nomination, politics would become even more divided and inane than ever. The dialogue of the Presidential race would devolve further into personality at the loss of needed debate about substantive issues.
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I have no reason to believe that Trump and a Republican Congress would not promote corrupt economic policies. His take on personally benefitting from such policies was "hey they're legal". This is not principled, courageous, or encouraging that he has any great desire to do anything to change those policies.
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Trump support correlates with racism AND Long Island? What a surprise.
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An explanation of the above comment, fro those who are not familiar with Long Island growth patterns between 1945 and 1970.
I guess you have noticed how Long Island is stratified from south of the Long Island Expressway NYS Rrt 495) and north of Sunrise Highway NYS Rt. 27). West of NYS Rt. 112 and east of the Queens County line.
In the 1940s - 1970s, when Long Island wand was being carved up to build the eastern New York City suburbs, potential home buyers were purposely directed to particular areas, to effectively create de factor segregated areas by race and nationality.
Some examples:
Wyandanch, Hempstead - African Americans
Brentwood, Bay Shore, Islip - Italian, Puerto Rican, Hispanic, southern European
Lindenhursrt - Irtish
South of NYS Rt 27 and north of NYS Rts 495 - White, Anglo, northern European, some eastern European.
North of NYS Rts 25A and South of NYS Rte 27A - very rich, white, Anglo.
Some of this is "urban legend", but at least when I grew up there, in the 1960s, it was pretty obvious the Long Island suburb ethic, r5ace, religious distribution unusual.
I guess you have noticed how Long Island is stratified from south of the Long Island Expressway NYS Rrt 495) and north of Sunrise Highway NYS Rt. 27). West of NYS Rt. 112 and east of the Queens County line.
In the 1940s - 1970s, when Long Island wand was being carved up to build the eastern New York City suburbs, potential home buyers were purposely directed to particular areas, to effectively create de factor segregated areas by race and nationality.
Some examples:
Wyandanch, Hempstead - African Americans
Brentwood, Bay Shore, Islip - Italian, Puerto Rican, Hispanic, southern European
Lindenhursrt - Irtish
South of NYS Rt 27 and north of NYS Rts 495 - White, Anglo, northern European, some eastern European.
North of NYS Rts 25A and South of NYS Rte 27A - very rich, white, Anglo.
Some of this is "urban legend", but at least when I grew up there, in the 1960s, it was pretty obvious the Long Island suburb ethic, r5ace, religious distribution unusual.
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I have 2 questions that I would like NS or perhaps an informed reader to address. These are not "pointed" or rhetorical questions - I am genuinely trying to understand:
1) The lead of the article says that Trumps supporters are "less affluent," but I didn't see anything in the body of the article or in the charts that backed this up at all. What is the basis for this assertion?
2) The lead also says Trump's people are less educated. The evidence given for this is that they are more concentrated in census tracts with more uneducated people. This seems insufficient data from which to draw conclusions -- e.g. couldn't it be the case that people of more privilege and education feel more threatened when they live in areas with high concentrations of less privileged/educated people, and Trump appeals to their fears? Not saying this is the case, just that the statistics given allow for that explanation as much as the other.
I'm particularly interested in these two points because studies of the Tea Party indicate they are MORE affluent and educated than average. I would have expected a lot of overlap between Trump people and the Tea Party, but NS's interpretation seems to indicate that they are markedly different.
1) The lead of the article says that Trumps supporters are "less affluent," but I didn't see anything in the body of the article or in the charts that backed this up at all. What is the basis for this assertion?
2) The lead also says Trump's people are less educated. The evidence given for this is that they are more concentrated in census tracts with more uneducated people. This seems insufficient data from which to draw conclusions -- e.g. couldn't it be the case that people of more privilege and education feel more threatened when they live in areas with high concentrations of less privileged/educated people, and Trump appeals to their fears? Not saying this is the case, just that the statistics given allow for that explanation as much as the other.
I'm particularly interested in these two points because studies of the Tea Party indicate they are MORE affluent and educated than average. I would have expected a lot of overlap between Trump people and the Tea Party, but NS's interpretation seems to indicate that they are markedly different.
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As a middle class and well educated conservative (Tea Partier), who has been in politics for years, including as an elected official, I and many of my friends don't like much of what Trump offers at face value nor believe he will really do what he says. Fighting against the establishment is not calling people losers. Refusing to be politically correct does not mean slamming women and being abrasive to minorities. I certainly take offense to a man with questionable moral decision making trying to still the socially conservative vote from Cruz by innuendo and a claim of religious zeal. In the end, those of us really wanting conservative change for the better, see nothing but a blowhard in an empty suit. This is why I believe that the more educated and thought out conservative is looking to people like Cruz to bring civil dialogue and real ideas for change to the table. People in "flyover country" still believe in civility, the constitution, and moral substance. We are not impressed with Trump. I can't verify the data, but I have always thought the author's conclusions were correct. Trump is crass and unrefined and you know what they say about birds of a feather.
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It is hardy surprising that working class Americans support someone who actually dares to voice their concerns about losing jobs to globalization and illegal immigration. In spite of the Democrats' happy fantasies about a loving coalition of minorities, gays and urban progressives, the largest voting bloc is still rural and working class whites. Anyone who energizes them will win in 2016 and Bernie Sanders understands this. Let us hope that the Democratic machine come around, too; just eight years after the Bush fiasco, the world may not survive a President Trump.
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Actually, it is surprising given that Donald Trump is a billionaire and billionaires do not usually have the interest of the masses in mind--unless they can exploit them. Case in point, though, as Mr. Trump is currently exploiting the angry, working class Americans to achieve his own ends.
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Nonsense. Whites in general may be the largest voting block (72% in 2012, down from 74% in 2008), but less then 20% of the total US population lives in rural areas. How can they be the majority?
As for "he who carries the white vote wins the White House", more nonsense. Obama lost the white vote, twice (43% in 2008; 39% in 2012). You'll notice he won both elections as well.
Sources:
http://tinyurl.com/pl3hhp8
http://tinyurl.com/c2aexhm
As for "he who carries the white vote wins the White House", more nonsense. Obama lost the white vote, twice (43% in 2008; 39% in 2012). You'll notice he won both elections as well.
Sources:
http://tinyurl.com/pl3hhp8
http://tinyurl.com/c2aexhm
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M.M.
I believe your assessment of exploiting this group is probably quite accurate. As a promoter and self-appointed populist candidate, in order to come up with a style that makes him look different from the others, he has resorted to this tactic. As a billionaire, he relates as much to his supporters as they do to a cockroach.
I believe your assessment of exploiting this group is probably quite accurate. As a promoter and self-appointed populist candidate, in order to come up with a style that makes him look different from the others, he has resorted to this tactic. As a billionaire, he relates as much to his supporters as they do to a cockroach.
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Finally; somebody figured it out. The South never left the Democratic Party. The Party left the South. An it's still theirs for the retaking, if they could import some common sense into the party leadership.
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JD, is it possible that the former Dems in the south have simply been too lazy to change their registration since "the southern strategy" took hold? Also, we wait with bated breath for your common sense prescriptions for the Dems leadership - it is easy to badmouth them, but where are your answers?
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Right-o, Tim. That's exactly who they are down here. They've been voting republican for decades, and still have the old voter card IDs. It surprises me that people think this just happened. Not one county here voted for Obama in 2000, and the "democrats" were just as numerous then. I like the NYT, but sometimes they do get hold of the wrong end of the stick.
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A little advise to Democrats who are laughing it up thinking that a Donald Trump nomination will give Hillary Clinton a landslide. Stop laughing.
And to those who think he is mainly going to rally the disaffected Republican white male vote who might not typically vote, rethink it.
That disaffected Republican white male has a disaffected wife, and/or mother and adult child.
The white working-class Democratic male voter (there are still millions of them) will find little appeal in Hillary Clinton, who cannot help herself but to play the woman card.
Trump also gets a bigger percentage of the black vote than any other Republican, and will do fine with Hispanics against Hillary the "Hisapnderer," despite his comments about Mexican immigrants.
Not saying Trump is a slam dunk at all. But be careful who you wish for.
And to those who think he is mainly going to rally the disaffected Republican white male vote who might not typically vote, rethink it.
That disaffected Republican white male has a disaffected wife, and/or mother and adult child.
The white working-class Democratic male voter (there are still millions of them) will find little appeal in Hillary Clinton, who cannot help herself but to play the woman card.
Trump also gets a bigger percentage of the black vote than any other Republican, and will do fine with Hispanics against Hillary the "Hisapnderer," despite his comments about Mexican immigrants.
Not saying Trump is a slam dunk at all. But be careful who you wish for.
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If anyone has paid any attention to the last 7 years of President Obama's presidency, the existence of widespread racism is not a surprise. Where has Nate Cohen been? Think of the endless birther claims. Think of the Republicans in Congress who jpublicly proclaimed their no. 1 priority was to make President Obama fail.
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I dislike Trump intensely, but that side-by-side with the racial animus search data is absurd. There are probably a thousand statistics you could put next to Trump's support that have the same degree of similarity (if you really look at it, you notice quite a few places where there's no match at all: Oregon, Nevada, New Mexico, Montana, etc.)
I get it, NY Times, you think Trump is a nitwit; it's ok, we all do. But this kind of "journalism" is embarrassing.
I get it, NY Times, you think Trump is a nitwit; it's ok, we all do. But this kind of "journalism" is embarrassing.
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I have a lot of questions about using those Google searches, too. Like just this morning I looked up Hafez al-Assad because of something I wanted to post on the Internet, and a few days ago Jeanne Kirkpatrick because I was looking up her "blame America first" speech she used at the RNC convention in 1984. Neither search had anything to do with liking either Mr. Assad or Ms. Kirkpatrick.
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We will see once voting starts I guess. But Trump looks awfully strong. He really is bizarro Archie Bunker dressed up in a suit, tie, and bad hair.
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Trump is the Judge Judy of politicians in that he speaks forthrightly and says what others are too polite or too afraid to say. Trump may also appeal to people who are terrified of Islamic terrorism and feel Obama does not provide the appropriate leadership in this situation. Let's face it, Obama is no Winston Churchill. I still don't know whether Trump really wants to be President or he just likes the attention but time will tell.
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"Let's face it, Obama is no Winston Churchill." True enough . . . Obama is not a functioning alcoholic that killed 80,000 people firebombing a city for no apparent reason (Dresden).
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The people who find fault with Obama on foreign policy never manage to come up with any viable solutions. How did you miss that?
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True, rjh. And he's not a former alcoholic who killed 100,000 people declaring war on a country that never did anything to us.
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He's a dumbed down modern day George Wallace
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Donald Trump is an Ivy League educated multi-billionaire.
Was your comment a Freudian slip?
Was your comment a Freudian slip?
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DC - Trump inherited money and it's not hard for people with money to get into Ivy League schools.
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He went to Wharton.
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Trump's supporters are the descendants of George Wallace Democrats. They are people who are very uncomfortable with the complexities of modern life AND who abhor the very notion of trying to work things out. The Trump campaign motto might just as well be TheRUMP... because thinking is hard.
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I'm a Black attorney in Washington DC, with a degree in American History, and a millennial. I'm also a Trump supporter. And a descendant of slaves.
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I don't believe it. There may be cartoon head nodding and "jumpin' gee wilikers" play-acting going on across the voter spectrum but this seems more like NYTimes playing politics. Unless the Republicans spring a surprise, mature candidate with honour to go with charisma, the next president will be a Democrat anyway.
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Gosh I'd love to see something like this about Bernie Sanders' supporters. Indeed, I'd pretty much like to see anything about Bernie Sanders. A socialist appearing to have the support of more than 30% of the voters and even likely to win the first-in-the-nation primary? Why isn't this news? Why do we see Trump on the front page pretty much every day and almost nothing about Sanders? I'm not asking a rhetorical question here. I'd really like our national media stars to explain themselves. Is it the exploitation of racism to sell newspapers? Is it a bias in favor or Hillary Clinton that causes not only the DNC but also the national media to do what it can to redirect attention or stifle awareness of this alternative? Just what is it that causes this much discussed problem to go undressed?
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I agree there is a news black out againot Bernie Sanders. Lately, when his name is mentioned at all, he is referred to as "the junior senator from Vermont". Almost never do I hear that same qualifier attached to any other senator in the news. I believe it's a sly attempt to discredit Sanders' campaign. Why? As usual, I remind myself, follow the money: Bernie is passionate about campaign finance reform, those same dollars that have become the bread and butter of the media in our perpetual capaign "season". The media has a strong incentive to stop Bernie Sanders. I do believe it's a conspiracy.
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Fascinating analysis.
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Trump can't win the Republican nomination because he's not a Republican. What he will settle for is picking the nominee with some profitable outcome for Donald Trump.
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What exactly is xenophobic about wanting to secure America's border and enforce immigration laws? What is xenophobic about wanting to check this insane influx of immigrants from 3rd world countries into ours? These constant charges of "bigotry" and "xenophobia" are nothing but knee jerk reactions from haughty, high minded liberals who disdain a large part of the population with a legitimate point of view as "racist".
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"insane influx of immigrants from 3rd world countries..."
Ya that doesn't sound racist.
Now if you want to discuss the actual data, and show that the 'influx' is different than before, and has had a detrimental impact on anything at all, you might convince me this isn't just xenophobic.
Ya that doesn't sound racist.
Now if you want to discuss the actual data, and show that the 'influx' is different than before, and has had a detrimental impact on anything at all, you might convince me this isn't just xenophobic.
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Posting from Canada, which admits I believe I read, less than 500K immigrants a year, while the US admits over 1 million immigrants a year, and the US is much smaller than Canada in acreage.
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I wonder if it's possible to figure out how many people Trump is driving from the party. My husband, a life-long Republican, just showed me the letter that switched his status to independent. The rest of his family is considering the same action.
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Don't switch! With the incredible polarization, and the fact that in many gerrymandered districts, the primary is settling the selection of unchallenged state representatives, and often the US Representative as well, we really need more Republicans voting in primaries not fewer. I'd say it goes fro the Democrats as well, but gerrymandering has not been in their favor, and has less impact.
More primary voters is better representation right now. Party affiliation does not mean a loyal party vote if they cannot come up with decent candidates, it just means you have a say in how decent the candidates will be or not be.
More primary voters is better representation right now. Party affiliation does not mean a loyal party vote if they cannot come up with decent candidates, it just means you have a say in how decent the candidates will be or not be.
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Well, my entire democratic family is doing the exact opposite, in support of Trump.
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Trump supporters are "irregulars"? I think they are misguided and afraid because they can't cut the mustard too, but they are fellow Americans and even they deserve a less cruel word to describe them from the liberal elite.
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People are supporting Trump not as a result of what he "believes" (I don't think he truly believes anything) or for the "solutions" he proposes (other than the wall, which will be built by Trump, Inc. -- my theory why he's so excited about it!), but because of how he makes them FEEL. He makes voters feel like they are his compatriots, his equals, his good buddies. He makes them feel like an "US" versus some ever-expanding universe of "THEMs." He doesn't challenge them intellectually or bore them with geography lessons. The thrill of being friends with the playground bully! The intoxication of being friends with a gazillionaire! The secret pleasure in being able to voice those sinful racist misogynist thoughts we all sometimes have!
The guy's a genius.
People, if you don't start feeling the Bern you will feel the burn...and no FDNY will be able to save us from this one.
P.S. and if Hillary wins the nomination you damn well better vote for her or we are doomed!
The guy's a genius.
People, if you don't start feeling the Bern you will feel the burn...and no FDNY will be able to save us from this one.
P.S. and if Hillary wins the nomination you damn well better vote for her or we are doomed!
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The only problem is there are all those pesky emails that are continually being dripped out and dirty Clinton Foundation money out there.
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Why didn't you bring up the Benghazi faux conspiracy as well? Stop thinking about her as a normal citizen, think of her as C-in-C, and then compare. I love Bernie on Domestic Policy, but when I see idiots attacking him as a bigot, e.g., grabbing a mike from his hands, I go back to another of Winnie's supposed aphorisms: Something to the effect of "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter."
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/winstonchu105424.html#42wWS0c...
Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/quotes/w/winstonchu105424.html#42wWS0c...
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OK, fschoem44. I'll think about her as C-in-C and remember how she was asleep at the switch when that call finally came in the middle of the night.
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Trumps success is not based on racism. It is rather, based on the great frustration and anger faced by Americans who justly feel that the system is rigged against them. Trumps solutions are all wrong, and his supporters are mistaken in thinking he will resolve their problems, but it is unfair to allege that racism by ignorant voters is the reason for his success to date.
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Exactly. These people bash every established candidate without distinguish. They just want a new face. When they choose the new guy, they don't think if his policy going to work, they know very little about policy, they make their choice based on who has the biggest voice. Trump, Carson...whoever yelled loudly will be the "real guy", the "sincere guy", "the guy with a ball". Then they fabricate some excuses for their choices to fool themselves to think they are saving America.
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I disagree. Trumpism is subdlimably based on racism. The birther issue (which Trump never retracted (even after indisputable proof) against President Obama is code for racism. Trump accepts and embraces support from racists. He will take on any totally un-American views in order to be elected. Sinclair Lewis' novel, "It Can't Happen Here", is becoming uncomfortably too close to be reality.
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I disagree. He has used blatantly racist statements to appeal to his core constituency, who are less educated white people. He helps them feel they are part of "us" in "us against them". He helps them feel superior to someone, even though economically they are struggling. He's using an age-old strategy. Divide the working class by race, and then pass policies that help only the elite.
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Trump's appeal to his supporter reveal the deeply hidden racism and anxiety his supporters feel (and fear) for the future of our country. But I truly cannot imagine a President Trump representing US. I just can't.
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Bernie Sander's strongest GOP supporters - any who remember the integrity of Dwight David Eisenhower.
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This article indirectly underscores how woefully obsolete the electoral college is. That a small group of people the NYT describes as "less educated" (aka: ignorant) can unduly influence the direction of the entire nation. A second example is coal and the US position on the environment. Kentucky Senator Mitch McConnell appeals to his "less educated" constituents by criticizing Obama's enviro record as a "War on Coal". No matter how much proof is provided that coal is the filthiest fuel available, ignorance prevails and Ted Cruz appeals to this rabble by promising to pull the US out of the Paris Accord. If the US elected its president via popular vote, a small group of "uninformed" voters lead by a zealot would have no impact on the outcome of our election, and in this case, the planet. Thanks to global warming, ignorance has a global impact.
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Blacks, overall, are much less educated than whites. Would you care to make the same comments about them?
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Yes, that may be true. But I would not argue that it is either ignorance or lack of education that is the issue. The problem is that rump voters are the sort of people who have little education and don't think that matters because of their common sense. And the Republican Party has been pandering to these people for more than 3 decades now.
Most uneducated people of color that I know still respect the opinions of those who are educated. And they certainly don't believe that their LACK of an education somehow makes them smarter.
Most uneducated people of color that I know still respect the opinions of those who are educated. And they certainly don't believe that their LACK of an education somehow makes them smarter.
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I am astounded by Trump's popularity in the Northeast. I would have thought that the vast majority would have long tired of his self-delusion, pomposity, and crassness. Are people just not paying attention? https://www.nytimes.com/books/00/12/03/reviews/001203.03margolt.html
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To SteveO: Yes, they're paying attention, but they're stupid.
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Well, according to the logic of this article, its because they are racist.
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This kind of extremely twisted manufacturing of slander against Trump and his supporters makes me want to vote for him.
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Joe: Exactly how I feel. The limousine liberals just refuse to learn.
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Perform all of the studies you want. Trump's supporters can not be quantified. I am a Trump supporter. Notice I can use large words and spell them all correctly. I have a masters degree in education. I am a lifelong independent who is also smart enough to change my affiliation to republican in order to vote Trump in the primary. The media stereotyping us is incorrect and offensive. Further, insults like that just fires up more Trump support.
The media is the on that doesn't know how to accurately explain the Trump supporters phenomenon so I will help.
People who think he is racist or bigoted are getting their information second hand. He has NEVER said ANYTHING that was racist or bigoted. What he IS talking about is what is best for America and Americans. Which is what the presidents job is. When he describes illegals who are Mexicans or otherwise that cause crime here in the US. HELLO out there = he is just stating the facts. Of course , he is not saying that ALL Mexicans are criminals. That is the media's spin.
Bottom line. Trump's approach for each issue is "What is in the USA's best interest?"
It's about our nation first. It's nationalistic not racist. It's about making the country better for EVERYONE. Our government is being run by politicians who are incompetent. If they knew what they were doing we wouldn't be 20 trillion in debt and counting. And Hillary has been a part of that process for decades.
The media is the on that doesn't know how to accurately explain the Trump supporters phenomenon so I will help.
People who think he is racist or bigoted are getting their information second hand. He has NEVER said ANYTHING that was racist or bigoted. What he IS talking about is what is best for America and Americans. Which is what the presidents job is. When he describes illegals who are Mexicans or otherwise that cause crime here in the US. HELLO out there = he is just stating the facts. Of course , he is not saying that ALL Mexicans are criminals. That is the media's spin.
Bottom line. Trump's approach for each issue is "What is in the USA's best interest?"
It's about our nation first. It's nationalistic not racist. It's about making the country better for EVERYONE. Our government is being run by politicians who are incompetent. If they knew what they were doing we wouldn't be 20 trillion in debt and counting. And Hillary has been a part of that process for decades.
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This article is the perfect illustration of technocracy as pure prejudice disguised as savvy science. The kind of "rigorous analysis" at which the Soviet Union excelled. I'm not a Trump supporter but I've been disheartened seeing journalists unable to recognize their own limitations to understand reality. It's all about "racism"; no mention to Obama's policy problems. Didn't he promised to lead the US to "a more perfect union"? Didn't he promised to repair the relationship with the muslim world? What about growth and prosperity for the non-rich? It's so sad to see now "hope and change" evolving into bigotry: "you are racist and uneducated!!"
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Unfortunately, Trump is incompetent as well and other than his Wall, he has no solutions. And nationalism usually leads to scapegoating and racism, see WWII for details.
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"He has NEVER said ANYTHING that was racist or bigoted." Did you not hear his speech when he declared his candidacy? You know, the part about Mexicans being rapists? Did you not hear him rant about his birther theory concerning President Obama? If what is in the USA's best interest involves racism, ignorance, boorishness, chauvinism, then you are supporting the right candidate. Good luck with your own inability to read and think critically.
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Trump's campaign is classic populism - an appeal to Everyman to fight the entrenched interests that are holding them back - any combination of liberal elites, oligarchs, Entrenched Washington Beltway types, immigrants, secularists, anyone who can be blamed for the actual loss of status, wealth, security, and the discontent that follows.
We saw steel leave in the late 70s. We saw textiles, electronics, household goods leave in the 80s, auto was under attack, while at the same time family farms were consolidated into enormous agribusiness. We saw the rest of clothing, electronics, durable goods close out in the 90s, and by the 2000s we were losing the manufacture of communications and computing. In the 2000s and 2010s we saw outsourcing of white collar jobs, while large numbers of other jobs were eliminated through automation.
We have no plan to fix this, no plans to even ameliorate it. We have pandering and business as usual.
Why are we even wondering about the core of support that Trump has from people who lean more right, and Sanders has from people who lean more left? Of course it is from the less well educated who may have once been Democrats. They were among the first to be slugged by the changes in our nation's middle class, and have been seeing their future decline the longest.
We saw steel leave in the late 70s. We saw textiles, electronics, household goods leave in the 80s, auto was under attack, while at the same time family farms were consolidated into enormous agribusiness. We saw the rest of clothing, electronics, durable goods close out in the 90s, and by the 2000s we were losing the manufacture of communications and computing. In the 2000s and 2010s we saw outsourcing of white collar jobs, while large numbers of other jobs were eliminated through automation.
We have no plan to fix this, no plans to even ameliorate it. We have pandering and business as usual.
Why are we even wondering about the core of support that Trump has from people who lean more right, and Sanders has from people who lean more left? Of course it is from the less well educated who may have once been Democrats. They were among the first to be slugged by the changes in our nation's middle class, and have been seeing their future decline the longest.
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I hope the Donald's up-coming TV advertising campaign clicks with all Americans - Republicans, Conservatives, Democrats and Independents. He needs to put together some eye-catching ads such as:
"Vote for a winner".
"You gotta be in it to win it".
"When you go into the privacy of that voting booth you don't have to worry about being politically correct".
(Other suggestions welcome - preferably positive ones :)
"Vote for a winner".
"You gotta be in it to win it".
"When you go into the privacy of that voting booth you don't have to worry about being politically correct".
(Other suggestions welcome - preferably positive ones :)
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Two comments:
First, what an insulting, bigoted article meant primarily to further smear Trump and a segment of his support. "A certain kind of Democrat voter" - translation: blue-collar, white racists. What hogwash! The key determining factor isn't racially-based internet searches. Of course, you'll find these type of searches in greater percentages in lower income areas. That's a no-brainer. The key determining factor is that white blue collar workers are disenchanted with the Democrats, not because they are racists, but because Democrat policies hurt their pocketbook.
That leads to the second comment. White blue collar workers have figured out that the Democrat Party has left them behind. When minority blue collar workers figure this out in greater numbers (and they will), the Democrat Party is toast.
First, what an insulting, bigoted article meant primarily to further smear Trump and a segment of his support. "A certain kind of Democrat voter" - translation: blue-collar, white racists. What hogwash! The key determining factor isn't racially-based internet searches. Of course, you'll find these type of searches in greater percentages in lower income areas. That's a no-brainer. The key determining factor is that white blue collar workers are disenchanted with the Democrats, not because they are racists, but because Democrat policies hurt their pocketbook.
That leads to the second comment. White blue collar workers have figured out that the Democrat Party has left them behind. When minority blue collar workers figure this out in greater numbers (and they will), the Democrat Party is toast.
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Those who can't understand how we are helping the arab/moslem countries to learn how to defend their own freedom. Trump is a time bomb and a pox on the repubs. Practical matters are being left behind even as the US population is supposedly getting more educated; in reality there is less practical life-long learning. And how is it that Donald bankrupted 4 companies and profited? A circus now for Cruz???
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I think Trump has a lot in common with Obama. One of the reasons Obama had the unwavering support of blacks is they felt disenfranchised by the modern economy and felt he gave them a seat at the table. Trump does the same for working class whites.
Working class whites who allegedly are bitter about life and cling to their guns and religion have been left behind by the modern economy and face stagnating wages. It makes sense for them to join the Democrats, but with Obama, the Democrats have focused more on racial justice than socioeconomic justice (e.g. see the failure of Bernie Sanders).
The oppressive "#checkyourprivilege" types have bottled up a lot of pent up anger and created Trump. Instead of denigrating Trump supporters as uneducated, we should try to feel their pain. Liberals have no problems saying a homeless man is equal in dignity to everyone, but they think they are above working class whites.
For instance, on immigration, if the best you can do in life is a retail worker at Walmart who requires public assistance, and you are generally a law abiding citizen, how is it fair to send more public support to illegal immigrants? Let's include the viewpoints and perspectives of all Americans in our policy debates and don't ignore white people who don't have college educations.
Working class whites who allegedly are bitter about life and cling to their guns and religion have been left behind by the modern economy and face stagnating wages. It makes sense for them to join the Democrats, but with Obama, the Democrats have focused more on racial justice than socioeconomic justice (e.g. see the failure of Bernie Sanders).
The oppressive "#checkyourprivilege" types have bottled up a lot of pent up anger and created Trump. Instead of denigrating Trump supporters as uneducated, we should try to feel their pain. Liberals have no problems saying a homeless man is equal in dignity to everyone, but they think they are above working class whites.
For instance, on immigration, if the best you can do in life is a retail worker at Walmart who requires public assistance, and you are generally a law abiding citizen, how is it fair to send more public support to illegal immigrants? Let's include the viewpoints and perspectives of all Americans in our policy debates and don't ignore white people who don't have college educations.
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Racial justice is socioeconomic justice. What do you think happens to the economy when people of color and women are paid less or are turned down for work?
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DR: Oh, you mean turned down because an illegal can be hired for less?
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The "racially charged" map looks an awful lot like a population density map of the US. Most of the population lives east of the Mississippi so it's no surprise that the right side of the map is more lit up than the rest.
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From the maps, I find it very telling that the state of New York in all categories, especially racist internet searches. One would assume the South would lead in that category. I thought New Yorkers were enlightened. Cheers!
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This is about the eight thousandth article appearing in the liberal establishment media all but calling Trump's supporters bigoted, uneducated, poor white trash. I'm still waiting for the first article describing the less-educated, less-affluent Democratic voters who turned out in droves for President Obama as being "uneducated," broke and filled with rage...oh, I forgot, those voters are "underprivileged" and suffering from systemic educational bias and rampant employment discrimination. Got it.
And what is this newspaper's obsession with using Google searches as some type of legitimate evidence of anything? Does the Times know the context of each such "racist" Google search? How does the Times define what constitutes a racist Google search? Attempting to mind-read people typing a Google search is quite Orwellian, but coming from this newspaper, also quite unsurprising.
And what is this newspaper's obsession with using Google searches as some type of legitimate evidence of anything? Does the Times know the context of each such "racist" Google search? How does the Times define what constitutes a racist Google search? Attempting to mind-read people typing a Google search is quite Orwellian, but coming from this newspaper, also quite unsurprising.
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Excellent riposte.
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Interesting analysis, but nothing new. Trump's opening campaign remarks set the tone of the election--if you are white, with H.S. diploma or a drop out, and a victim of globalization, I am your man. Throw in some angry white men and women who are fed up with an African-American in the White House and you have the Trump coalition ---what a legacy for those running the Republican party.
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There is a correlation between the election of 1980 and 2016. After four years of Carter boomers left the democrats in droves. Either the democrats had changed or we had changed and it was probably a little of both. Boomers never went back after the change. Now we have had eight dismal years and the same thing is happening. People are fed up and disgusted and in general are wondering where is America. If Trump is or isn't the nominee the outcome will be the same. A republican will be the next President.
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Eight dismal years--you mean 2000-2008?
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Umm, I think your reading I of history is wrong. Carter (a most unlucky man unlike the current President) knew our only hope as a nation was to grow up and start addressing systemic problems that had been hidden by decades of post war prosperity. But the country was in no mood and we chose fantasies about a mythic past (that never existed for most people) of prosperity without responsibility. Ultimately, that fantasy was co-opted by the rich who then proceeded to rob blind those who were most invested in the fantasy (white middle class men and women).
Well, the truth now is that much of the country is waking up from that toxic fantasy and the country is starting to head back to the real world. Unfortunately, this is most traumatic for those white middle class men and women who treated the fantasy as their religion.
Well, the truth now is that much of the country is waking up from that toxic fantasy and the country is starting to head back to the real world. Unfortunately, this is most traumatic for those white middle class men and women who treated the fantasy as their religion.
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It's more than frightening to try to realize what could happen to this country if Donald Trump wins the election and moves into the White House. He'll have the likes of Mitch McConnell, Cruz, Rubio and Ryan, etc., as his supporters and hench-men. It's a scary thought, indeed. Those that voted for this demi-god will indeed feel enlightened and empowered. The possibilities don't bode well.
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I am a liberal Democrat, and I have many ultra-liberal Democratic friends and acquaintances who continually profess outrage and disgust at Mr. Trump's anti-immigrant and thinly-veiled racist comments. Yet these same individuals, jokingly refer to Muslim women dressed in traditional garb as "bee-keepers" and Hispanics as "beaners"; and they occasionally refer to African-Americans by a variety of what they deem to be "harmless" racial slurs. Consequently, I believe that a significant part of Mr. Trump's appeal comes from the fact that he has reached the unconscious prejudices of many of these ultra-liberals, and that a significant number will vote for him in upcoming primaries even though they will vehemently deny this.
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For so long it was assumed that Donald Trump was just having fun, and not really and contender. We will have to see how he does in the primary's, but it would seem that he is a real contender. Sorry David Brooks...
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A clear message from all this work: If Trump fails but endorses a republican, that Republican not only wins, they win big.
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Don't care for Trump. But his rise is pretty predictable. The Left in this country is insane, the GOP establishment is only interested in the GOP establishment. The Tea Party, a real grass roots conservative movement, was attacked by the Left (who hate lower taxes and the Constitution), and the GOP Establishment (a threat to their power). Trump, a savvy guy with nothing to lose, saw a chance to get even more attention for himself. He's probably surprised at his success in the polls.
Once you leave the (D) and (R) auto-voters out of the equation, there is a vast number of regular, hardworking people who don't like the Democrats social autocracy, or the Republican betrayals on surveillance, immigration and the budget.
When no one listens or cares about you, you flock to the loudest person who seems to represent your frustration. I don't want Trump to be the nominee, or President but Leftist Extremism and Establishment GOP have no one to blame but themselves. They ignore the "The People" and are surprised when a Trump pops up.
Once you leave the (D) and (R) auto-voters out of the equation, there is a vast number of regular, hardworking people who don't like the Democrats social autocracy, or the Republican betrayals on surveillance, immigration and the budget.
When no one listens or cares about you, you flock to the loudest person who seems to represent your frustration. I don't want Trump to be the nominee, or President but Leftist Extremism and Establishment GOP have no one to blame but themselves. They ignore the "The People" and are surprised when a Trump pops up.
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Exactly what I've been saying, Be Real. If we end up with a President Trump (which I'm personally not all that thrilled about), it will be because the Establishment Left and Right elected him.
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Just talk to any "average" conservative. Bring up Bernie Sanders' name and they immediately come out with nonsense like "Sanders is a Communist." They listen to sound bites and Trump's bloviating and they like what they hear. Let's not sugar coat it NY Times. They're stupid.
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He is also popular with the conspiracy theorist. Uneducated white people that are angry at the world and think everyone is out to get them. Because their angry at everyone.
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"The Civis estimates are based on interviews with more than 11,000 Republican-leaning respondents since August."
I don't understand the predictive value of responses from "Republican-leaning Democrats". True, the article does state clearly that Trump probably can't convert these responses to votes, so I'm looking forward to someone's directly asking Trump how he plans to address this challenge.
I don't understand the predictive value of responses from "Republican-leaning Democrats". True, the article does state clearly that Trump probably can't convert these responses to votes, so I'm looking forward to someone's directly asking Trump how he plans to address this challenge.
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If Donald Trump is somehow elected president, I'd move to Canada to dodge his ruinous tenure just like he stayed/played in NYC with his "bone spur" (rolling my eyes) to dodge the ruinous Vietnam War.
Since I know all I need to know about this boor of a child who has no control over his mean-spirited mouth, this is the last article I will read here about DT ... front-page articles about him are not why I subscribe to the NYT.
Since I know all I need to know about this boor of a child who has no control over his mean-spirited mouth, this is the last article I will read here about DT ... front-page articles about him are not why I subscribe to the NYT.
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I am no Trump fan but I will be grateful for him stirring the pot of political correctness. We have way too many serious issues facing the country to be afraid to say what needs to be said-the complete and honest truth and sometimes the truth hurts. Soaring rhetoric from both parties needs to be replaced with Joe Fridays famous line, "Just the facts, mam".
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but republicans find "facts" hard to believe.
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No problem with looking at the facts, as long as they are not manipulated to suit an agenda from either side.
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the electoral college stunts our "democracy."
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That is its intended purpose.
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one citizen , one vote , ha, not in the electoral college
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I am from western Pennsylvania, a place where seniors outnumber millennials...where there are more old, empty factories than new full-employment "start-ups"...and where there many, many more wallets stuffed with faded voter registration cards that read "Democratic" than "Republican."
When the era of big steel ended, the blame game began. Democrats blamed Republicans for allowing cheap imports, Republicans blamed Democrats for catering to unions.
Since then, folks have left in droves - it's no coincidence, that you can find a Pittsburgh Steelers fan club in any city in the nation.
For those who stayed, a funny thing happened on the way to the unemployment office. Democrats started voting Republican.
Today, cities, boroughs and counties where Republicans once didn't even bother to run, are now controlled by the GOP.
But guess what? Nothing has changed.
Enter Donald Trump.
He's not talking "at" them, he's talking "TO" them.
And they are listening.
"You hate immigrants? I hate immigrants!"
"You want jobs? I got jobs!"
"You for guns? I'm for guns?'
"You a Christian? I'm a Christian!"
"Bomb ISIS? Hell yeah I'll bomb ISIS!"
He's a carnival barker...
"Hurry! Hurry! Step right up!"
A master manipulator...
"We'll make America great again!"
These people are hungry - STARVING - for something - ANYTHING - other than what they've been fed by politicians they call "damn liars."
Many of these people figure Trump is just selling snake oil.
Sadly, most of them just don't care.
When the era of big steel ended, the blame game began. Democrats blamed Republicans for allowing cheap imports, Republicans blamed Democrats for catering to unions.
Since then, folks have left in droves - it's no coincidence, that you can find a Pittsburgh Steelers fan club in any city in the nation.
For those who stayed, a funny thing happened on the way to the unemployment office. Democrats started voting Republican.
Today, cities, boroughs and counties where Republicans once didn't even bother to run, are now controlled by the GOP.
But guess what? Nothing has changed.
Enter Donald Trump.
He's not talking "at" them, he's talking "TO" them.
And they are listening.
"You hate immigrants? I hate immigrants!"
"You want jobs? I got jobs!"
"You for guns? I'm for guns?'
"You a Christian? I'm a Christian!"
"Bomb ISIS? Hell yeah I'll bomb ISIS!"
He's a carnival barker...
"Hurry! Hurry! Step right up!"
A master manipulator...
"We'll make America great again!"
These people are hungry - STARVING - for something - ANYTHING - other than what they've been fed by politicians they call "damn liars."
Many of these people figure Trump is just selling snake oil.
Sadly, most of them just don't care.
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If you think The Donald cares about your workaday lives rightists then you are part of the "Less Educated" base mentioned in the piece.
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"Less Educated"...heh, heh, heh, ya' don't say.
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Losing Faith in the Press. I read the Washington Post, WSJ, and NY Times daily. What is driving me toward presidential candidates such as Donald Trump or Ted Cruz is biased reporting in favor of the Democratic Party's agenda, and in favor of an agenda that chastises people (such as poor whites, working class whites, and anyone opposed to leftist values). The Washington Post especially has gone from a very balanced newspaper in the 1990s and early 2000s to a shill for the Democratic Party. Like many people born in the 1960s, I am responding to support Trump and Cruz in direct opposition to the Post's bashing my values; values that believe in God, life, rule-of-law, and considering the views of others, even if we don't agree.
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When have Trump or Cruz ever considered the views of others? Both men are mean spirited liars and throwing the word "God" around doesn't change that.
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All these stats dance around the real signifier: IQ. It's clear that if (just as a thought experiment) only those with an IQ of 100 or more could enter the voting booth, Mr. Trump's support would be negligible.
Trump uses a very limited, almost childlike vocabulary. The lack of nuance in his speech is often seen as "blunt" or "straight talk", but whether that's all he's got or he's just pandering, it causes him to appeal to an important demographic: the stupid.
Trump uses a very limited, almost childlike vocabulary. The lack of nuance in his speech is often seen as "blunt" or "straight talk", but whether that's all he's got or he's just pandering, it causes him to appeal to an important demographic: the stupid.
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Can someone explain how, in the bar graph showing demographics of Trump's supporters, the percentages of each age group add up to 164 percent??
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The comments here exhibit unsubstantiated claims and harmful biases. Remember, hegemony, of all stripes, harms pluralism. Definitive claims are presented as facts with no evidence beyond rhetoric. That hurts discussion for all reasonable people. Many/all commenters seem to despise the principles of free speech and democracy, while using them to make their argument! Remember, in a democracy the majority rules, at the CONSENT of the minority. Pluralism and liberty produce the best outcome for the most people and is propelled by civil debate. Flimsy claims and name-calling are inappropriate and don't advance the dialogue one iota. However, patterns and practice should and must be taken into account. For example, former Democrat and Clinton supporter, Donald Trump, has never exhibited the patterns and practice that are claimed in the uneducated hyperbole in these comments. However, the New York Times has robustly identified the Democratic opponent as a 'congenital liar' for decades. This Democratic Party's pattern and practice of pervasive prevarication is profound and persistent. In a large part, this is why Democrats support Trump. See:
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/08/opinion/essay-blizzard-of-lies.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1996/01/08/opinion/essay-blizzard-of-lies.html
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I have yet to meet a Trump supporter who wasn't an uneducated racist. Collectively, they are a national shame.
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Pleased to meet you Joe. I'm Chinese who happens to be American. God forbid I have a college degree worked abroad for 6 years and am voting for Donald Trump. Our system needs a serious shakeup and I think Trump is the one to do it.
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Irene - Please elaborate. What specific policies do you think Trump would put in place?
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You don't get it people are fed up and what is the need for progressives to characterize working class white males as racist. For me the issue is social security. Main stream candidate's don't know what it's like to need social security. They condescend saying people live longer then when it was conceived. Trump at least panders.
I know what the main stream politics has to offer. Trump might be at clown but I won't fee like a fool voting got thrm.
I know what the main stream politics has to offer. Trump might be at clown but I won't fee like a fool voting got thrm.
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You really didn't have to tell us that The Donald's base was poorly educated.
We kinda' figured that out for ourselves.
The Appalachia part was unnecessary as well.
We kinda' figured that out for ourselves.
The Appalachia part was unnecessary as well.
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It is interesting that the majority of the comments here stereotype those who support Trump as uneducated dolts while espousing their superior intellect. Maybe it is precisely that arrogant approach people are sick of. Trump supporters like him because he is strong. They don’t agree with everything he supports but it’s better than being soft.
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The statistics presented by Mr. Cohn pretty much reflect conventional wisdom on the matter. The inclination of blue-collar registered Democrats toward Donald Trump is interesting not so much for its surprise value as for its message that the Democratic Party offers so little hope, especially in the emerging Clinton era. In such a setting, a bombastic, simplistic chest-thumper hooks pretty good, even if not very pretty.
www.endthemadnessnow.org
www.endthemadnessnow.org
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How much can we trust the veracity of the opinion polls that are sited so often? I did some research a number of years ago in grad school that required me to develop a survey. While my topic was benign, it was difficult to phrase questions in a way that did not skew the answers. And I have responded to political surveys and thought that I was being subtly pushed to give answers that did not really represent my opinion. "If the election were held tomorrow and your choices were this person or that person, who would you pick?" My answer might be the lesser of two evils. Also, who answers these surveys? The polling firm has a great big database to work from, but the people they reach are the ones who still have a land line. How many people with children and two jobs avoid even answering the phone, and does this affect your statistics? I forget who said "There are lies, there are damned lies,and then there are statistics?" What worries me is that we keep being told these numbers, and some voters who don't really think things through will be influenced by this possibly false popularity, and then we are all going to hell.
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I read the Trum has broad support and then saw that he has support in areas where people ask the internet questions that the author characterizes as slurs.
Wonderful, now we characterize candidates by attributes of the areas where he has support
I think that Mr Obama has support in high crime areas
Gotcha and back at ya!
Wonderful, now we characterize candidates by attributes of the areas where he has support
I think that Mr Obama has support in high crime areas
Gotcha and back at ya!
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High crime areas such as Wall Street, K Street, the US Chamber of Commerce, the American Petroleum Institute, the Federal Reserve and its big banks, and more?
"The same areas where racial animus is highest in the Google data also tend to have older and less educated people, and Mr. Trump tends to fare better among those groups " So according to the map - and judging by the quantity of "racially charged Internet searches (whatever that is)" New York and Pennsylvania are far more racist than North or South Carolina, Georgia and Florida. And Long Island much more than Charleston.
Who knew? Actually I did having lived on LI and now Charleston. Long Island's school districts are especially constructed to avoid racial mixing - a common thread in northern locales and largely absent in the south - at least here in the Charleston region. There is another point missing in this article when guessing Trump or GOP electoral strengths; and assigning ignorance and poverty to southern voters who favorTrump. The south's population is growing; growing primarily by in migration from other states - mostly white folks from places like New York and Ohio. South Carolina is the 4th fastest growing state in the nation approaching five million residents.
Among the northern states only New York is growing but it stems primarily from foreign immigrants; remove that factor and it would be shrinking. The south is growing in political power from net migration out of the north into the south. News of the GOP demise are premature at best.
Who knew? Actually I did having lived on LI and now Charleston. Long Island's school districts are especially constructed to avoid racial mixing - a common thread in northern locales and largely absent in the south - at least here in the Charleston region. There is another point missing in this article when guessing Trump or GOP electoral strengths; and assigning ignorance and poverty to southern voters who favorTrump. The south's population is growing; growing primarily by in migration from other states - mostly white folks from places like New York and Ohio. South Carolina is the 4th fastest growing state in the nation approaching five million residents.
Among the northern states only New York is growing but it stems primarily from foreign immigrants; remove that factor and it would be shrinking. The south is growing in political power from net migration out of the north into the south. News of the GOP demise are premature at best.
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Polls, Polls, Polls
They may not be perfect, but as they used to say about something else
. . . they're way ahead of whatever's in second place
Folks say they don't predict Presidential winners
. . . what else does?
Reality-Check=Poorly designed polls produce inaccurate reflections of the current state-of-play, so when you apply Yoda's insight that
The future is always in motion, you know that future predictions will only come true by accident, or earthquake.
So few people are sampled, and so many refuse, and so many give deliberately misleading responses that valid poll-results seem like an impossible goal. Then you have the additional problem of polling people who don't vote which means completely-zero
Yet, despite all the flaws, somehow the major polls of recent times, are generally pretty close to accurate when you're polling close enough to election day, certainly since 2000 POTUS.
Only an idiot would jump on Jeb!'s logic, that he actually 'likes' being in the back of the pack. His brother didn't GWB started in front early, and never came within a whisker of a serious challenge. (Even after my $1000 contribution to McCain and his win in NH)
One conventional wisdom you can throw in the toilet is the nonsense of the importance of people who can't 'decide' until the last minute
Those people who can't decide until the last minute are mostly low-information folks who aren't paying any attention in the 1st place, and probably won't even vote
KEY is turnout & excitement
They may not be perfect, but as they used to say about something else
. . . they're way ahead of whatever's in second place
Folks say they don't predict Presidential winners
. . . what else does?
Reality-Check=Poorly designed polls produce inaccurate reflections of the current state-of-play, so when you apply Yoda's insight that
The future is always in motion, you know that future predictions will only come true by accident, or earthquake.
So few people are sampled, and so many refuse, and so many give deliberately misleading responses that valid poll-results seem like an impossible goal. Then you have the additional problem of polling people who don't vote which means completely-zero
Yet, despite all the flaws, somehow the major polls of recent times, are generally pretty close to accurate when you're polling close enough to election day, certainly since 2000 POTUS.
Only an idiot would jump on Jeb!'s logic, that he actually 'likes' being in the back of the pack. His brother didn't GWB started in front early, and never came within a whisker of a serious challenge. (Even after my $1000 contribution to McCain and his win in NH)
One conventional wisdom you can throw in the toilet is the nonsense of the importance of people who can't 'decide' until the last minute
Those people who can't decide until the last minute are mostly low-information folks who aren't paying any attention in the 1st place, and probably won't even vote
KEY is turnout & excitement
There is no denying that Trump is a master of turning another's argument against him on its head and making it about that person. In the process he manages to deflect attention from the facts of his own incredible and obvious faults as a politician, leader, and person.
Case in point is Hillary describing Trump a sexist. Of course he is, and yet he has managed to turn all media and public attention on Bill Clinton whose certain aspects of conduct in office was certainly reprehensible but when compared to Trump as person Clinton is saint.
Trump is a man who seems immune from insult even as he insults everyone else and the insults against him are all based on truth.
Let us also not forget the other component of his rise in the polls is turning one groups hate against another. Like every despotic person seeking power before him Trump targets the outsider in order to appeal to peoples innate fears and the narcissistic quality in all of us to find someone to blame for whatever personal injustice we imagine.
Why anyone would want Trump to be President is beyond me but do not underestimate in a country with a long and deep seated history of hate that he will be a formidable candidate even as it scares the hell out of me to think I live in country where such a person might become President.
cand
Case in point is Hillary describing Trump a sexist. Of course he is, and yet he has managed to turn all media and public attention on Bill Clinton whose certain aspects of conduct in office was certainly reprehensible but when compared to Trump as person Clinton is saint.
Trump is a man who seems immune from insult even as he insults everyone else and the insults against him are all based on truth.
Let us also not forget the other component of his rise in the polls is turning one groups hate against another. Like every despotic person seeking power before him Trump targets the outsider in order to appeal to peoples innate fears and the narcissistic quality in all of us to find someone to blame for whatever personal injustice we imagine.
Why anyone would want Trump to be President is beyond me but do not underestimate in a country with a long and deep seated history of hate that he will be a formidable candidate even as it scares the hell out of me to think I live in country where such a person might become President.
cand
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What has occurred is (with an inversion of party identification) the nationalization of the politics of the South.
As V.O. Key wrote decades ago, the Southern Democratic parties were in general controlled by the upper class whites, whose policies were in general economic. They relied upon the voting strength of the lower class whites, motivated by racial concerns.
But it would be a great error to ascribe Trump's ascendancy solely to race, or to other social issues (gay rights, religion, etc.) As is now clear, for the past 40 years the middle class, and especially the non-professional part of the middle class, has seen their standard of living decline, and their hopes for a better future dashed.
Trump addresses this by seeking to bring back the old days, as remembered by his supporters. To counter this, the Democrats must recognize the issues and convince the voters that there is a way ahead, that the plutocracy must and can be controlled, and that they can deliver the future.
As V.O. Key wrote decades ago, the Southern Democratic parties were in general controlled by the upper class whites, whose policies were in general economic. They relied upon the voting strength of the lower class whites, motivated by racial concerns.
But it would be a great error to ascribe Trump's ascendancy solely to race, or to other social issues (gay rights, religion, etc.) As is now clear, for the past 40 years the middle class, and especially the non-professional part of the middle class, has seen their standard of living decline, and their hopes for a better future dashed.
Trump addresses this by seeking to bring back the old days, as remembered by his supporters. To counter this, the Democrats must recognize the issues and convince the voters that there is a way ahead, that the plutocracy must and can be controlled, and that they can deliver the future.
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I could not disagree more with the people who say Trump's supporters are "racist." The New York Times just ran an article last week talking about how Don King and Herschel Walker, among tens of thousands of other African-Americans (and/or their parents) support him. In spite of the stereotypical negative response of the typical NY Times article on Trump--focusing over and over again on race that it's become like an obsession for liberal outlets like NPR or the Times--your statistics actually bear out a much different scenario. In fact, the most interesting aspect of Nate Cohn's piece (for which I give kudos to him for being much more objective than most of the hysterical, cry-baby "yellow journalism" of the ultra-left mob) is that his thesis seems to focus on the notion that his strength among Democrats, Independents and the not-quite-so-evangelical religious zealots of the far Republican right (a demographic that has done unspeakably harm to Republican prospects in the past two decade) is, instead of a strength, a vulnerability in the Republican primaries. Isn't that freaking obvious by now to EVERYONE? The reality is that Trump's support is STRONGER among all demographic groups (except of course for the completely brainwashed of the neofascist radical left--yes, leftists can be "fascists" as we've seen in recent years), which also supports Trump's own viable claim that he is "Hillary's Worst Nightmare." I predict he wins the national election in a landslide.
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The media is trying desperately to brainwash Americans into calling Trump a loser. The media is constantly writing that the uneducated are those who are voting for Trump. Sorry folks many of the PhD's, engineers, retired CEOs, and other educated friends are frankly fed up with Obama, and wouldn't vote for Hillary if their life depended on it. Anericans want real change and are fed up with the establishment on both sides...all talk and no action. Sure Trump is all talk right now, but hopefully he'll also be all action. What do we have to lose ?
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Where's the evidence to support this claim?
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Trump on this last day of 2015 has a 50:50 chance of becoming the next president of USA. He is now a serious candidate with his fellow Republican candidates dropping out like dominoes. Beginning with Governor Perry and the latest being Governor Pataki. Journalists have not been asking Trump the tough questions to determine whether a person who has never held an elected office is ready from day 1 to govern our great country. Clearly there is discontent with the current career politicians that is fueling the Trump rise. Does that mean the country is ready to jump from a frying pan into the fire? So far the Trump campaign is a one man show, are there other leaders being groomed to be cabinet ministers in a Trump presidency? What will a Trump government look like? How is he going to bring down the national debt and balance the budget? Will Trump be bold enough to change the tax laws so that the wealthiest will not be able to maintain their private tax system that was revealed in the New York Times a couple of days ago? How is President Trump going to change the perception that he has created that he against women, Muslims, Mexicans, Chinese etc. ? Most importantly how exactly is Trump going to make America great again and different from what it is now? As 2016 begins it is high time to take a serious look at a possible Trump presidency and start getting answers. 6 months ago, Trump seemed like a passing phenomenon. Today Trump seems real mainly because he has money and momentum.
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Many of the founders of this country had not held elected office. Since when did we decide that politics is a profession, like engineering or medicine?
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"His very best voters are self-identified Republicans who nonetheless are registered as Democrats." Aha! - Scott Fitzgerald wrote: "the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposed ideas in mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function."
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@MJS
Re "you could really be stuck with a worse nut than the one in office:"
Just go back to Sept. of 2008 to honestly admit that Obama & company have performed a veritable miracle; we are much better off today than we should have been able to expect we would be, when viewed from the bottom of that deep chasm 7 years ago. Just saying.
Re "you could really be stuck with a worse nut than the one in office:"
Just go back to Sept. of 2008 to honestly admit that Obama & company have performed a veritable miracle; we are much better off today than we should have been able to expect we would be, when viewed from the bottom of that deep chasm 7 years ago. Just saying.
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@John Townsend: Uh, I doubt that the people on Social Security who won't be getting their COLA this year would agree with you.
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DFT(Dems For Trump) is more a rejection of the Clintons and the Dems establishment than a new- found love for GOP.
The wimpy Dems in Congress (Schumer, Wasserman_Schultz & CO) are responsible for the defections of millions of lib/dems to Trump. They acted as they are indebted to the Clintons. Or maybe it’s the other way around, the Clintons own them. By making HRC the Anointed Queen with her unsavory packages, it send a clear message: no changes are coming….business as usual.
The wimpy Dems in Congress (Schumer, Wasserman_Schultz & CO) are responsible for the defections of millions of lib/dems to Trump. They acted as they are indebted to the Clintons. Or maybe it’s the other way around, the Clintons own them. By making HRC the Anointed Queen with her unsavory packages, it send a clear message: no changes are coming….business as usual.
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The democrats down here are not "liberals" defecting, far from it. They're the old dixiecrats who never got around to changing their supposed affiliation, but that's just in name. They are fully right-wing and never like any democrats at all. Nothing new has happened; they've been hankering for somebody to set them free to be who they've been all along. It bothered them to act as nice as they had to, there for a while.
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Behold Trump’s all or nothing, no holds barred reckless fling at self destruction and dragging his immediate world down with him with a despotic and utter disregard of them as individuals … what an amazing spectacle! How is this possible? It’s possible because of the glaring incompetence and dangerousness of each and every GOP candidate. A Trump candidacy could well win the Presidency, the Senate, and maybe even the House for the Democrats. Even districts that are 55% GOP might not be safe with Trump leading the ticket.
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It is no surprise that those that are considered "conservative" Democrats, are in the south. We saw that with the so called Democrats who refused to even acknowledge President Obama, and they lost. It should alarm everyone that the Republican party has become a party of whites and hate diversity. When have we seen a party with less diversity? We saw that in with the National Party of South Africa and the Nazi Party in Germany, and I'm sure there were more. Shouldn't people be concerned? Are Republcians becoming the party of white supremacy and are they proud of it?
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"He is strongest among Republicans who are less affluent, less educated..."
Ya think? Now that's a surprise.
Ya think? Now that's a surprise.
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Kind of a "George Wallace" democrat, 60s and 70s politics.
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The winner-take-all primaries are going to be far more important than the ones happening before March 15... especially for a splinter candidate like Trump who's supporters appear to be hard core and as resistant to facts as the candidate they admire. Maybe Upshot could do some kind of analysis on the back-end primaries...
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Whoa. Tell it like it is:
"But it is still a familiar pattern. It is similar to a map of the tendency toward racism by region, according to measures like the prevalence of Google searches for racial slurs and racist jokes, or scores on implicit association tests."
"But it is still a familiar pattern. It is similar to a map of the tendency toward racism by region, according to measures like the prevalence of Google searches for racial slurs and racist jokes, or scores on implicit association tests."
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We're been down this path before. In 1980 many Democrats crossed over to vote for Ronald Reagan because they felt their party had become disengaged from their lives and concerns and because Reagan appealed to them. I recall how indignant the Left was then too, how utterly bewildered that these people could do such a thing (after first saying that if would never happen, of course). Then, as now, these voters were called stupid and backward and gullible. And yet, if you don't think the Democratic party represents you anymore, if you feel alienated from a party that seems to care only for Wall Street at the top and minorities at the bottom, and if you see Trump as an outsider who just might take you seriously, then you vote accordingly. The shrinking lower-middle class, once this country's backbone, was always the Democrats' to lose, and lose them they have (or soon will).
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But why would one prefer a party that cares only for Wall Street? I mean, of course, the Christian right might *feel* cared for by republicans, but they aren't being cared for by them.
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What you are saying is that he has the ability to expand the Republican base. I see that as the key to victory in 2016. I think he's close enough to a majority to win through, and those who do not support him will have to decide if they really, really want to elect Hillary, with all that means for the direction of the country.
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Watching our President Obama warmly and humorously preside at the Kennedy Center Honors moved me to tears. I felt pride in our Nation for having elected him. He is a man who has prevailed with grace and honor in the face of bigotry and hatred and the viciously destructive behavior of his political opponents. His grace under fire, strength and resolve in performing the duties of his Presidential Office inspire me in my life. So...why does a bully and braggart, a man who lies and distorts and spews hateful, venomous and unrestrained comments about our President thrive? What does that reality say about our democracy and our citizenry that does not stir deep concern about the future of our Nation? What rash, impetuous, poorly informed, arrogant and self centered conduct can we anticipate were THE DONALD elected? Does it not alarm us? Why is he not called out for what he is, a con man whose bullying appeals to some of us...we need to pause and think...is this the man who should lead the most consequential Nation in the history of humanity?
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HIs is the southern strategy as initiated by the Republican Godfather, Richard Nixon. While driving to Boston two weeks ago a large heavy duty pickup truck raced up behind me and attempted to pass on the right. I quickly got into my right lane and this bumper rider soon passed by me in the correct passing lane. Along his entire back windshield was a Confederate flag as well as TRUMP bumper stickers proudly pasted on the truck. I guess the data on the street supports the data from Civis Analytics. The truck roared down the highway weaving and bobbing dangerously within traffic. I guess it could have been the Donald driving.
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But when the real campaigning gets going Donald Trump will disappear like a magician.
Early in a campaign there is always one candidate with all the simple answers. When the serious candidates start talking about issues Trump will think they are talking about magazine issues and will quietly excuse himself.
Early in a campaign there is always one candidate with all the simple answers. When the serious candidates start talking about issues Trump will think they are talking about magazine issues and will quietly excuse himself.
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That anyone could support Mr. Trump regardless of their stated voter registration inspires but one thought for now: donate as much as one can as often as possible and then vote to support Hillary as our next president!
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That first map looks like it needs more data points. The sharp steps between adjacent areas hints that there is too little data to hold the signal-to-noise-ratio down. But I agree that he has obviously more support in the east, especially south-east. And I find the high support in New York and Pennsylvania curious. These are not places where you'd expect to find people of the usual Trumpite stereotype.
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Thank you, Mr. Cohn.
We always knew that the election of a Black president will be a tremendous challenge for the Democrats.
And it did .
Many of the old Southern White Democrats, who were always in favor of White dominance, who once switched their allegiance to the Republican party after '64 & '65. but occasionally were voting for the Democratic candidates, chose the Republicans in 2008's and 2010's elections only because of Obama's skin color.
And with that the D.N.C. lost a major chunk of the Older Democrats.
But they pretty much snarled the younger Whites and White Women, who didn't see Obama's skin color as a barrier to the Presidency .
And these million+ voters voted with their pulse to their hearts for the the historically significant election of the first Black President in America, along with 90+% of the Black voters and 70+% of the Hispanic voters and 60+% of the Asian voters.
But the loss of the significant chunk of older White Democrats who always voted in all the elections compared to the White young men and women who rarely voted, was huge for the Democrats.
And the result being, the Republican Party is controlling both the chambers of Capitol and most of the State legislatures and also most of the Governor's mansions .
And the Democrats got only their president to be proud of.
So it's no wonder that Trump is exploiting those Democrats' hatred for Obama in his rallies combined with the fears of Muslims, Mexicans, Blacks and 'others'.
We always knew that the election of a Black president will be a tremendous challenge for the Democrats.
And it did .
Many of the old Southern White Democrats, who were always in favor of White dominance, who once switched their allegiance to the Republican party after '64 & '65. but occasionally were voting for the Democratic candidates, chose the Republicans in 2008's and 2010's elections only because of Obama's skin color.
And with that the D.N.C. lost a major chunk of the Older Democrats.
But they pretty much snarled the younger Whites and White Women, who didn't see Obama's skin color as a barrier to the Presidency .
And these million+ voters voted with their pulse to their hearts for the the historically significant election of the first Black President in America, along with 90+% of the Black voters and 70+% of the Hispanic voters and 60+% of the Asian voters.
But the loss of the significant chunk of older White Democrats who always voted in all the elections compared to the White young men and women who rarely voted, was huge for the Democrats.
And the result being, the Republican Party is controlling both the chambers of Capitol and most of the State legislatures and also most of the Governor's mansions .
And the Democrats got only their president to be proud of.
So it's no wonder that Trump is exploiting those Democrats' hatred for Obama in his rallies combined with the fears of Muslims, Mexicans, Blacks and 'others'.
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I believe that there are going to be millions of registered democrats mainly white middle class to uber wealthy, who while they may not publicly tout their allegiances to Trump for fear of being labeled heretics, are going to pull the lever for Trump when they enter the voting booth and have a come to Jesus meeting with themselves, and ask the question "am I going to be better off the next 4 years with Trump or Hillary calling the shots"?
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trump vs sanders.
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The map showing regions of strongest support for Trump is reminiscent of maps showing low levels of educational attainment. Perot appealed to well-educated independents, Trump appeals to less well educated independents. There is populism for the smart and populism for the dumb. It is the second of these, this time around.
To his ignorant and dishonest remarks, Trump adds large measures of rudeness, gangster style insults, barnyard humor and egomaniacal arrogance. The first and the last of these, ignorance and arrogance, have been staples of Republican strategy for decades, but Trump has much more credibility because he is an outsider: he is like a Jesse Ventura or Arnold Schwarzenegger, plus potty mouth and Big Lie technique. And for some reason the press, including the New York Times, wallows in his every little high school bullying utterance, giving him even more free publicity than the wrestling champ or bodybuilding actor got.
To his ignorant and dishonest remarks, Trump adds large measures of rudeness, gangster style insults, barnyard humor and egomaniacal arrogance. The first and the last of these, ignorance and arrogance, have been staples of Republican strategy for decades, but Trump has much more credibility because he is an outsider: he is like a Jesse Ventura or Arnold Schwarzenegger, plus potty mouth and Big Lie technique. And for some reason the press, including the New York Times, wallows in his every little high school bullying utterance, giving him even more free publicity than the wrestling champ or bodybuilding actor got.
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Excellent article supported by strong data. This is why we buy NYT, not great big loud opinions smeared all over political articles.
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To a large extent, the Trump voters are the Perot voters, and it is hard to imagine they go above 20% when the polls of contenders like Christie aganst Clinton get serious. They tend to be non-voters. They swelled the turnout in 1992 and also in 2004 when Bush adopted Perot's slogan "United We Stand" and took out the symbol of Bush I in 1992, Saddam Hussein.
The white middle and lower income voters voting Republican goes back beyond 2008. They plus the Southern affluent are the Republican base.These are the Reagan Democrats repelled by Carter's economic policy. When Clinton changed economic policy to steal the Northern Country Club Republicans like Elizabeth Warren from the Republicns, he abandoned the middle and lower income whites even more.
The problem today is not Obama's skin but that he ishas the values of the white Kansas banker who raised him. He really is a white man and voters realized it in 2008 when they called him an elitist, scarcely a black stereotype. A Country Club Republican--a Nixon type--like Warren is now the extreme left of the Democratic Party, As she said on December 13, 2014 on the Senate floor, his Administration is totally dominated by Citigroup. Its policy is to triple the market and keep wages down.
The white middle and lower income voters voting Republican goes back beyond 2008. They plus the Southern affluent are the Republican base.These are the Reagan Democrats repelled by Carter's economic policy. When Clinton changed economic policy to steal the Northern Country Club Republicans like Elizabeth Warren from the Republicns, he abandoned the middle and lower income whites even more.
The problem today is not Obama's skin but that he ishas the values of the white Kansas banker who raised him. He really is a white man and voters realized it in 2008 when they called him an elitist, scarcely a black stereotype. A Country Club Republican--a Nixon type--like Warren is now the extreme left of the Democratic Party, As she said on December 13, 2014 on the Senate floor, his Administration is totally dominated by Citigroup. Its policy is to triple the market and keep wages down.
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Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.
Trump's supporters are Reagan Democrats. Fortunately, they are increasingly being outnumbered by people who see beyond the simplicitic approach to governance.
Trump's supporters are Reagan Democrats. Fortunately, they are increasingly being outnumbered by people who see beyond the simplicitic approach to governance.
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Does Trump need to spend a lot more on TV Ads? Reading about this in the UK, Trump is well behind Cruz in the first caucus in Iowa. New Hampshire the next one is tighter.
So much knee jerk condemnation of Trump voters in these comments! Of course, Trump has said some things that are inexcusable. But demagogues become popular only when a nation's political/economic elite becomes so corrupt that it fails to do its job, and that pretty well describes our Democratic and Republican politicians. They tell more likes than Trump does, they are more corrupt than Trump is.
I for one don't blame the Trump voters for their alienation. I will likely be voting for Sanders for much the same reason they're voting for Trump -- not because I agree with everything Sanders does, but because the alternatives, in my party and the other one, are so awful.
I for one don't blame the Trump voters for their alienation. I will likely be voting for Sanders for much the same reason they're voting for Trump -- not because I agree with everything Sanders does, but because the alternatives, in my party and the other one, are so awful.
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Yet Sanders could not seem to even handle the Black Lives Matter protestors and walked away, which is a concern.
Trump appears to have audacity and courage, no matter how misplaced that may be.
Trump appears to have audacity and courage, no matter how misplaced that may be.
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The white working class is angry because the advantages they had in the previous century: being white, male, and born in America have been (rightly) mitigated. That is to say: they now have to compete on a (more) even playing field instead of being handed every advantage. So, they are frightened and angry, and are lashing out at everyone because they are too lazy and cowardly to squarely face that they are to blame for their situation: the one's that worked hard and furthered their education and skills mostly moved up, the one's that did not work hard but just glided by on their privileged position have ended up where all lazy people belong.
Cowards blame others for their own lack of effort. Cowards hide behind a gun instead of facing conflict and difficulty like a man. There used to be a day when grown men announcing in public that they were so frightened that they needed a gun/government/daddy to protect themselves would have been shamed out of the room. Now I see it all the time.
Grow up. Work hard. Stop hiding behind a gun. Be a man.
Cowards blame others for their own lack of effort. Cowards hide behind a gun instead of facing conflict and difficulty like a man. There used to be a day when grown men announcing in public that they were so frightened that they needed a gun/government/daddy to protect themselves would have been shamed out of the room. Now I see it all the time.
Grow up. Work hard. Stop hiding behind a gun. Be a man.
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The inconvenient truth is that white working class has built America into what it is today. Take a hard look at Detroit, Baltimore, ST Louis, Newark, etc. That's how America will most likely look like without it
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The most interesting part of this article is that many democrats and independents who have been voting democrats are turning toward republicans. This is an important national trend. It is occurring not because the Republicans are better, but because the Ds are no longer working in their interest. The Democrat party are seen as increasingly weak, corrupt, pro-illegal immigration and allowing/promoting even open racism against white people (this may explain the Google searches, which are the backlash of the anti-white national movement). The Dem. establishment are corrupt and bribe their electorate throwing them the bones of anti-white rethoric, excess liberalism, etc.
Basically the race Trump-Sanders is Bloomberg vs. DeBlasio: Do we want a weak populist who may have great intentions but lacks the balls to fight like mad (see Obama) to make them come true? Or do we want a firm leader who is going to manage the country very well, although breakthroughs like single payer system will not happen? (Because of the Republican party; I'm sure Trump would have nothing against single payer with two wives (one current one ex) coming from Europe. Sadly, single payer won't happen with Bernie either. Based on how he debated HRC, he is too preoccupied to play nice instead of scoring points. But here I hope I am wrong and perhaps Bernie + Warren VP will be able to make a difference. That they want to make a difference is certain, I am just not sure they will be able to.
Basically the race Trump-Sanders is Bloomberg vs. DeBlasio: Do we want a weak populist who may have great intentions but lacks the balls to fight like mad (see Obama) to make them come true? Or do we want a firm leader who is going to manage the country very well, although breakthroughs like single payer system will not happen? (Because of the Republican party; I'm sure Trump would have nothing against single payer with two wives (one current one ex) coming from Europe. Sadly, single payer won't happen with Bernie either. Based on how he debated HRC, he is too preoccupied to play nice instead of scoring points. But here I hope I am wrong and perhaps Bernie + Warren VP will be able to make a difference. That they want to make a difference is certain, I am just not sure they will be able to.
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I am a well-educated, life-long democrat. However, I support Donald Trump.Over the last 30 years or so I have watched the bipartisan elite of both parties sell typical/ average Americans down the river with their trade treaties that have destroyed the job base, flooded the job market and destroyed the environment with 100 million illegal and legal immigrants, slashed the tax rates on the wealthiest, and wasted our lives and resources on pursuing the role of global policeman. All the candidates, except Donald Trump and maybe Bernie Sanders, will give us more of the same.
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What is Trump's plan to restore the middle class, pray tell? It certainly isn't in the tax plan that will further line his pockets.
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Spot on. Chris, I don't know if Trump even has a plan, but come on -- we do know that the mainstream candidates don't. HRC's husband gave us NAFTA, and the mainstream Republicans are even worse.
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Over the last *40* years.
It started with Reagan, but both political parties have sold the American middle and working class citizens down the river, by importing more and more labor, even these past years of the recession, as if the low demand for labor and the accompanying low wages can be fixed by bringing in even more labor.
We import one million legal immigrants every year, plus illegal immigrants, plus refugees, plus H1B visa workers (currently at 650,000), while tens of thousand of Americans cannot find work.
Yet neither Republicans or Democrats will help us and anyone who voices concern is called a 'bigot' and a 'racist' or worse.
No country can thrive when they fail to take care of their own.
It started with Reagan, but both political parties have sold the American middle and working class citizens down the river, by importing more and more labor, even these past years of the recession, as if the low demand for labor and the accompanying low wages can be fixed by bringing in even more labor.
We import one million legal immigrants every year, plus illegal immigrants, plus refugees, plus H1B visa workers (currently at 650,000), while tens of thousand of Americans cannot find work.
Yet neither Republicans or Democrats will help us and anyone who voices concern is called a 'bigot' and a 'racist' or worse.
No country can thrive when they fail to take care of their own.
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Most politicians are bought and paid for by special interests like the billionaires and their Congressionally mandated tax loopholes, that The Times wrote about two days ago, to the corporations who weasel out of paying US income taxes by making believe that they are located elsewhere.
Trump and Bernie cannot be bought. Trump and Bernie are the country's best chance to put this nonsense to an end. That's why Trump is popular with certain Democrats. With Trump you get pure Trump, for better or worse, not some clown who was put up to run by wealthy special interests.
Trump and Bernie cannot be bought. Trump and Bernie are the country's best chance to put this nonsense to an end. That's why Trump is popular with certain Democrats. With Trump you get pure Trump, for better or worse, not some clown who was put up to run by wealthy special interests.
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This is a very interesting article and leaves me with the thought I have had since Trump's announcement that he was running for president. How is his campaign going to convert poll support into actual votes? As this article indicates, politics is all about data and utilizing data to get a ground organization to locally canvas and build grass roots support. Voters need to be registered, and on election day, get out to the polls and show up to vote. This is quite challenging and I believe Trump is going to find this out once the primaries begin.
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I am tired of the keyboard activists sitting in corporate/academic worlds advising why voting for Trump is not in their best interest. People who live hand-to-mouth have a much better idea on what and who is best for them rather than long-term views, international opinion or broad strategy. People supporting Trump have seen their net-worth decrease, their benefits disappear, their jobs outsourced, their kids in subpar schools. They know, they are worse of than their Parents, even if the 'average' in the Country has improved.
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"People supporting Trump have seen their net-worth decrease, their benefits disappear, their jobs outsourced, their kids in subpar schools."
That's true. What's also true is that every single one of those problems (and more) were caused by the GOP obeying their corporate handlers in the effort to increase the bottom line. So how much sense does it make to vote not only for a Republican, but for the poster child of Corporate America? When in his career did Trump ever choose what was right or beneficial to people in need over his career and his profits? What makes you think he'll suddenly start now?
That's true. What's also true is that every single one of those problems (and more) were caused by the GOP obeying their corporate handlers in the effort to increase the bottom line. So how much sense does it make to vote not only for a Republican, but for the poster child of Corporate America? When in his career did Trump ever choose what was right or beneficial to people in need over his career and his profits? What makes you think he'll suddenly start now?
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Sorry but you're no realist. If these people had any idea of what was in their best interests, you wouldn't see situations like the ones in Kansas, Louisiana etc.
No one is better off with more pollution, less health care, lower wages etc.
No one is better off with more pollution, less health care, lower wages etc.
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I agree with you about the decrease in net worth, etc - but which of Trump's proposals will fix that?
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Closing our borders along with high tariffs to protect industry are all supported by big labor Democrats. It's not just dumb Republicans who are going to vote for Mr. Trump if he actually wins the Republican nomination.
Mr. Trumps divisive language may well divide big labor Democrats in the general election and give him enough rust belt states to actually win the general election.
Fear mongering isn't just about security, it's about free trade and opening up our borders to people who will work for low wages. Democrats have fear mongered for years on these issues and they are currently losing that battle to Mr. Trump.
Mr. Trumps divisive language may well divide big labor Democrats in the general election and give him enough rust belt states to actually win the general election.
Fear mongering isn't just about security, it's about free trade and opening up our borders to people who will work for low wages. Democrats have fear mongered for years on these issues and they are currently losing that battle to Mr. Trump.
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I always find "Fear Mongering" a funny term for the Left to complain about.
From the apocryphal "War on Women" to race-baiting to immigration to fake marriage the Left lives on Fear and division.
From the apocryphal "War on Women" to race-baiting to immigration to fake marriage the Left lives on Fear and division.
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Unreal - How is it divisive to treat everyone equally?
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I've worked with people like Donald Trump in the corporate world, i.e. people with big egos and short attention spans. They almost always end up with highly dysfunctional organizations. Trump's success has been due in large part to two things: 1) his father's money, and 2) the fact that he works within the most corrupt segment of the economy, i.e. real estate. Trump will be a train wreck as a President. If this is what American people want then bring it on, but we will all pay the price for it down the road.
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I have, too. I'd peg him as a narcissist with a large dollop of Dunning-Kruger. And yes, those people always screwed up. He could have done as well financially by putting dad's money in a stock fund.
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I'm not a Trump supporter. I support Ted Cruz. But, I would suggest you learn more about Trump before you judge his ability to be president. Your post indicates you know little to nothing about Trump or his businesses. Finally, if ego were a disqualifying factor, Obama wouldn't have ever been elected.
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I'm not a big Trump supporter. I just can't imagine this country electing the Clinton's back into the White House. When given the choice between Trump or Hillary, my opinion Trump wins in a land side. He has the ability to focus the contest on the key issues, such as security, middle class jobs, illegal immigration.
The Clinton's have too much baggage, too long to list in this comment, both Bill and Hillary. Once the race to the White House is between Donald and Hillary, Donald will leave her in the dust. Will see.
The Clinton's have too much baggage, too long to list in this comment, both Bill and Hillary. Once the race to the White House is between Donald and Hillary, Donald will leave her in the dust. Will see.
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The Clintons are not being elected 'back into the White House.' Mrs. Clinton is running her own strong campaign, and Mr. Trump has about as much chance of winning in a landslide as we do of growing a third nostril.
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Trump's clothing line is made in China, he doesn't care about American jobs. His knowledge (or lack of) when it comes to national security issues is terrifying.
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I feel you. And it sounds like you need to research Bernie Sanders my friend.
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The Democrats who vote Republican suggests voter identification based on familial and local tradition, rather than political introspection and civic/party engagement. What does it say that you identify with one party, but have not acted to align your party affiliation with your beliefs? It would be interesting to get some stats on Trump's support (and the support of any candidate) looking at voter participation in either local government and elections, or party/civic work at some level -- locally, state, or federally. It could be that we are seeing the fruits of decades of poor civics education in our educational curricula in the way this is playing out. Government isn't about grievances, it's about creating policy and executing it. If more people truly understood that, these polls would look very different. Folks would be faced with the actual consequences of their reactionary, maximalist and knee-jerk view of the world -- and what that would look like on a stage larger than their personal emotions. They also wouldn't stand for Congressional gridlock.
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These analyses of the Trump phenomenon leave aside a huge looming question: what does he actually believe? On what's been stated so far, Trump has done a 180 on virtually every issue, from immigration reform, to abortion, to his friendship with the Clintons. Since the media seldom presses on these discrepancies, voters are left to form opinions based upon Trump's outlandish statements and boorish behavior.
In other words, he resembles the guy who is always at the end of the bar every afternoon pontificating to anyone who will listen to him and laugh at his jokes. In that, Trump is just like my late brother, a nominal Democrat who hated Obama and looked with fear and loathing to the world just outside the tavern door.
In other words, he resembles the guy who is always at the end of the bar every afternoon pontificating to anyone who will listen to him and laugh at his jokes. In that, Trump is just like my late brother, a nominal Democrat who hated Obama and looked with fear and loathing to the world just outside the tavern door.
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Trump doesn't believe anything. He just want to get in the office for now. Then when he get's in, he will see what he can do. To be fair most of the candidate may have this kind of thoughts to some degree. But they usually hesitate to show it so brazenly either because they have some kind of belief or they care about the lasting reputation of their party. It's amazing people who get sick of political dishonesty are the same people who support trump, a guy who brazenly showed he doesn't care about political promise as long as it keeps his supporter high.
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I was never willing to formally affiliate with any party. I've volunteered for Kucinich, Dean, Kerry and Obama. So there is a lot I like about Sanders, a lot that is familiar from rallies and get-togethers. But I also know a certain futility where it becomes its own religion, to meet up and bring oatmeal cookies and sliced apples in a baggie, and do the march, and feel like you're on the right side of justice. We talk about direct actions, but not much really changes. After a while I started to like some of George W Bush's ideas in retrospect (such as giving access to Social Security funds for market investing -- I only wish I could have invested more after the crash). I started to think, maybe what we need is a cycle in our politics. Sometimes we need fairness, which depends on Democrats to consider everyone, and other times we need strength and self-interest, which depends on Conservatives / Republicans. I'm probably going to vote for Sanders if he's an option, but save for that, would otherwise be comfortable with Trump for this 4-year cycle. If it ends up being Ms. Clinton, then it will just end up that way without my doing anything.
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Investing Social Security funds in the stock market???
Do you realize what 2008 would have done to people? also: the main advocates for privatizing Social Security were investment managers who were drooling over the fees they would make by taking their cut of money that now goes to Seniors.
Do you realize what 2008 would have done to people? also: the main advocates for privatizing Social Security were investment managers who were drooling over the fees they would make by taking their cut of money that now goes to Seniors.
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These are a lot of words to say that some people who are racist like Trump.
Is this a surprise?
Nixon won because of the Southern Strategy and "Law and Order." Republicans stoke whites' fears and promise to return them to an America where __________ know their place. It used to be Blacks. Actually, it's still Blacks but now Mexicans and Muslims are also denigrated.
I guess it is important to point this out to people because it isn't taught in school but I don't know why you guys are going on about Trump but say very little about Sanders and nothing about Martin O'Malley.
Is this a surprise?
Nixon won because of the Southern Strategy and "Law and Order." Republicans stoke whites' fears and promise to return them to an America where __________ know their place. It used to be Blacks. Actually, it's still Blacks but now Mexicans and Muslims are also denigrated.
I guess it is important to point this out to people because it isn't taught in school but I don't know why you guys are going on about Trump but say very little about Sanders and nothing about Martin O'Malley.
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One could map the nation's most under-informed, uneducated and unintelligent populations by a simple standard of Trump-support. Where there is said "Chump-support", it is guaranteed there is no genuine critical intellectual activity occurring, and certainly not a clue as to what being president actually entails. If these people (the un- or misinformed on both sides of the aisles) could spend even an hour actually researching the issues, positions, plans and true track records of their candidates they would doubtless find that they DO in fact have a hero in their midst, a truly great and honest American leader, a once in a lifetime candidate, who has fought tirelessly for decades to protect the interests of We, the People, without ever selling out the integrity of our once great nation, and his name is: Bernie Sanders. Time to smell the coffee people, and wake up. I refuse to believe that so many American brains are incapable of intelligent functioning. Please my friends, do your due diligence; study the facts, learn the realities of what is at stake here, and understand that empty rhetoric is precisely that. Working class people voting for Trump is like cows buying stock in Burger King, not realizing they'd otherwise have a chance to vote themselves out of the slaughterhouse.
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"I refuse to believe that so many American brains are incapable of intelligent functioning."
So sorry to have to disappoint you, but...
The average IQ in the country is, pretty much by definition, about 100.
That means for every one of you, there's someone else out there at 70 or less -- and even 100 really isn't terribly bright by the standards you're used to.
(If you're writing from the southeast corner of Connecticut, you don't even know anyone as low as 100; they can't afford to live there.)
Let's not forget that this is the country that elected George W Bush once and Ronald Reagan twice. You might wish to try de-conflating your assessments from your preferences.
So sorry to have to disappoint you, but...
The average IQ in the country is, pretty much by definition, about 100.
That means for every one of you, there's someone else out there at 70 or less -- and even 100 really isn't terribly bright by the standards you're used to.
(If you're writing from the southeast corner of Connecticut, you don't even know anyone as low as 100; they can't afford to live there.)
Let's not forget that this is the country that elected George W Bush once and Ronald Reagan twice. You might wish to try de-conflating your assessments from your preferences.
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"the nation's most under-informed, uneducated and unintelligent populations"
That's 99.99% of FIX NEWS audience
That's 99.99% of FIX NEWS audience
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My My My, there is a certain "style" of hateful comment that the Times' Pecksniffian censors approve to be published. It is quite amazing that one man's hate is another's insightful, approved commentary.
Just for laughs, I would love to see the Times investigate the intelligence, objective level of educational accomplishment, and informational awareness of voters, for example in "inner city" (you know what I'm talking about) Philadelphia, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc.: the typical Obama/Clinton voter.... You know, the 90% Democratic voter.... How about it? But, you must promise to use the same condescending, faux "objective" style of reporting used in this article....
Just for laughs, I would love to see the Times investigate the intelligence, objective level of educational accomplishment, and informational awareness of voters, for example in "inner city" (you know what I'm talking about) Philadelphia, New York, Chicago, Los Angeles, etc.: the typical Obama/Clinton voter.... You know, the 90% Democratic voter.... How about it? But, you must promise to use the same condescending, faux "objective" style of reporting used in this article....
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Interesting article. Does a great job pointing out that Trump's support is a weak 2 legged stool. If 33% of Republican leaning voters support Trump, an important question is who do the remaining 67% or 2/3s of Republican leaning voters support? Would the rest of those voters support a Rubio, Cruz, or even Bush if this was a two person race? In a 2 person race, an alternative would beat Trump 2 to 1.
We should then go on and recognize that 33% of Republican leaners, is likely only about 20% of the population (33% of an assumed 60% of all Americans who are Republican leaners). As many have pointed out, this is a substantial minority of Americans, who are feeling left out by the new economy. We as Americans do need to improve the lot of these people, and the middle class as well, however the numbers don't lie, Trump will not be the President elect in 2016 to lead the way.
We should then go on and recognize that 33% of Republican leaners, is likely only about 20% of the population (33% of an assumed 60% of all Americans who are Republican leaners). As many have pointed out, this is a substantial minority of Americans, who are feeling left out by the new economy. We as Americans do need to improve the lot of these people, and the middle class as well, however the numbers don't lie, Trump will not be the President elect in 2016 to lead the way.
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"60% of all Americans... are Republican leaners"??
[Citation needed.]
[Citation needed.]
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Studies consistently find that Republicans and Republican leaning independents make up around 40% - 45% of the electorate, not 60%. Trump's 35% support of this block is closer to 15% of the total. You're more right than you think.
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While technically supported, I believe these findings are probably skewed if not bogus. In this, I'm referring to the methodology used in polling: the ubiquitous questionnaire. In my experience, these forms provide very squishy information. Unless there is stark refutation, the findings tend to confirm a hypothesis regardless of assumptions. I'd like to see the report from Civis Analytics before I go changing my daily commute.
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Then go look and report back
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1. Against the current crop of dull, uninspiring, predictable GOP presidential wannabes, Trump is nothing if not brash & entertaining. If each GOP presidential candidate were throwing a party for voters, which candidate's party would you want to go to?
2. Trump appears to be the anti-establishment candidate, compared to Jeb, Rubio, & most of the other GOP candidates--with the exception of Rand Paul who is dull by comparison, and Cruz who is no fun at all.
3. Trump keeps it overly simple, not nuanced, & raw, which appeals to middle- and working-class voters, who are shoved aside in our high tech society where decently paying or high paying jobs require an expensive prestigious college degree and sophisticated social and communication skills. The world is and has passed these voters by. Who speaks for them?
4. Trump speaks for them, that's who. Immigrant bashing is an old campaign tactic in this country to get the working-class vote. Video clips of Trump supporters at his rallies show them as truly hopeful & excited by his candidacy. The statement is often made that Trump is the only one who represents "me." Media manipulator that Trump is, he knows how to mirror these voters' anger, resentment, isolation, and alienation. He is one of those rare rich celebrities that manages to convey he cares about them & he speaks FOR them.
5. To keep a sense of status & independence, many of his supporters detest do-gooder, weak, know-it-all liberals. Trump milks that one to the hilt
2. Trump appears to be the anti-establishment candidate, compared to Jeb, Rubio, & most of the other GOP candidates--with the exception of Rand Paul who is dull by comparison, and Cruz who is no fun at all.
3. Trump keeps it overly simple, not nuanced, & raw, which appeals to middle- and working-class voters, who are shoved aside in our high tech society where decently paying or high paying jobs require an expensive prestigious college degree and sophisticated social and communication skills. The world is and has passed these voters by. Who speaks for them?
4. Trump speaks for them, that's who. Immigrant bashing is an old campaign tactic in this country to get the working-class vote. Video clips of Trump supporters at his rallies show them as truly hopeful & excited by his candidacy. The statement is often made that Trump is the only one who represents "me." Media manipulator that Trump is, he knows how to mirror these voters' anger, resentment, isolation, and alienation. He is one of those rare rich celebrities that manages to convey he cares about them & he speaks FOR them.
5. To keep a sense of status & independence, many of his supporters detest do-gooder, weak, know-it-all liberals. Trump milks that one to the hilt
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Couldn't of said it better! You just broke down the appeal of Trump in 5 simple points, though I don't find him or his message appealing or right for the job, it's not too difficult to see why he is to millions of people. Thank you!
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Shocking analogy by the above writer...The U.S.A. voters ARE NOT NAIVE, UNTHINKING, average age is probably 60 years of age...Bernie Sanders, running as a Democrat (Independent register, normally) Bernie Sanders has been in Congress for 30 years, was a College Professor, friend of Elizabeth Warren because the TWO of them assure their votes will bring the vote in...
Bernie entered this race to bring his ideas of returning Glaspeal to make the banks user friendly - which Bill Clinton repealed in office - Bernie is against TPP because of Clinton's acceptance, JOBS AND TRADE moved from U.S.
Vote Bernie Sanders 2016 - no better representative of you and me!
Bernie entered this race to bring his ideas of returning Glaspeal to make the banks user friendly - which Bill Clinton repealed in office - Bernie is against TPP because of Clinton's acceptance, JOBS AND TRADE moved from U.S.
Vote Bernie Sanders 2016 - no better representative of you and me!
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6. Trump is a carnival magician who is delighting grown children who yearn for simple illusions because the details of what is truly screwing them would challenge their fantasies and misguided beliefs about decades of national policy designed to lift the privileged and confuse the uninformed.
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The map can be misleading and dramatizes the differences The scale ranges from 25-40%. Considering the margin of error and the relatively low population of rural areas, I wouldn't put much faith in this graphic.
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Obama created Trump.
Having voted for Obama in 2008, I am serially exhausted with the number of times media elites have imputed racism to Obama's critics. As if Obamacare, Common Core, the rise of ISIS, the obsession with global warming, the endless federal centralization and bureaucracy, the PC identity politics, the creation of kangaroo courts on our nations' campuses to try young men without due process, the executive orders, the refusal to enforce immigration laws as they are written -- as if, somehow, being perturbed by this litany of elephantine failures must bespeak a closet racism.
Trump is a vulgarian and a boor, quite possibly a bigot, but he is also the perfectly-formed riposte to Obama's ceaseless divisions of the body politic, ever forcing his policies on a country via reconciliation or fiat, regulation or duplicity.
Having voted for Obama in 2008, I am serially exhausted with the number of times media elites have imputed racism to Obama's critics. As if Obamacare, Common Core, the rise of ISIS, the obsession with global warming, the endless federal centralization and bureaucracy, the PC identity politics, the creation of kangaroo courts on our nations' campuses to try young men without due process, the executive orders, the refusal to enforce immigration laws as they are written -- as if, somehow, being perturbed by this litany of elephantine failures must bespeak a closet racism.
Trump is a vulgarian and a boor, quite possibly a bigot, but he is also the perfectly-formed riposte to Obama's ceaseless divisions of the body politic, ever forcing his policies on a country via reconciliation or fiat, regulation or duplicity.
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The man who said there isn't a black America or a white America but only a United States of America is divisive?
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As a Black man who heard Obama make that speech at the 2004 DNC and is part of the Black middle class trying to survive the Obama presidency, I say yes, Obama is divisive, probably the most divisive and destructive president for the Black community since slavery and definitely the worst president of my lifetime.
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President Obama and President Bush were elected twice by the American people, if one includes the Supreme Court, are you saying your countrymen and women are stupid? You seem to have a lot of complaints, about so many things but you suggest no responsibility for any of this except Obama. Is that rational?
Would you prefer yours to be a nation, the only nation, in which millions have no access to healthcare except in an Emergency Room?
Would you wish the United States to colonize Iraq, Syria, and North Africa to prevent eliminate ISIS. Do you have a solution that a majority of the citizens of this country would support?
Regarding immigration, have you stayed in a hotel or eaten in a restaurant lately? Do you know who prepares the food? Who cleans the rooms and makes the beds? Who are the paid gardeners? Have you applied for any of those jobs and been denied employment? Then there are the high tech jobs and advanced science jobs that a great many immigrants are performing with Visas. There are the stores owned and operated by immigrants. Have any of them hurt you in some way?
So what exactly is the problem you are so upset about aside from the existence of President Obama?
Would you prefer yours to be a nation, the only nation, in which millions have no access to healthcare except in an Emergency Room?
Would you wish the United States to colonize Iraq, Syria, and North Africa to prevent eliminate ISIS. Do you have a solution that a majority of the citizens of this country would support?
Regarding immigration, have you stayed in a hotel or eaten in a restaurant lately? Do you know who prepares the food? Who cleans the rooms and makes the beds? Who are the paid gardeners? Have you applied for any of those jobs and been denied employment? Then there are the high tech jobs and advanced science jobs that a great many immigrants are performing with Visas. There are the stores owned and operated by immigrants. Have any of them hurt you in some way?
So what exactly is the problem you are so upset about aside from the existence of President Obama?
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Peter Hart conducted a focus group a year ago with 12 voters (4 Democrats, 4 Republicans and 4 Independents) in suburban Denver. 10 out of 12 said "No Clinton and No Bush". The anti-establishment candidates have been exploiting these sentiments all year long.
If Democrats nominate Hillary and Republicans send Jeb! packing, Democrats will be fighting strong headwinds this coming fall regardless of any demographic or electoral advantages they may have.
If Democrats nominate Hillary and Republicans send Jeb! packing, Democrats will be fighting strong headwinds this coming fall regardless of any demographic or electoral advantages they may have.
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I don't believe that Trump is presidential material. His rhetoric is appealing because of the filtered political correct speak we hear from our present day candidates. It's obvious that the present day candidates speak from both sides of their mouth to not offend anyone. That's called lying. Trump is calling them out, and that's his appeal.
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Trump's appeal among whites who register as Democrats is not surprising. The GOP Southern Strategy that elected Nixon in 68 was based on Democratic party support for the Civil Rights Act in 64, a measure that many whites felt was 'against' them. And for good reason.
Race privilege may not be discussed much but for the average white working class person it means that no matter how much corporate America had abandoned them, and it has, they could always count on white privilege to give them an edge up for jobs, housing, slightly better schools and better treatment from law enforcement.
This combination of 'feeling that they were better than "them" and having this sense of race entitlement reinforced by real advantages is hard to give up in a society that has given them a steady diet of it for hundreds of years. Studies by the Whiteness Project show that over 40% of working class whites believe that they, not Blacks are the real victims of racial discrimination today.
What this perception shows is that as the quality of life of all working Americans is declining, whites believe that it's because Blacks are being lifted up by free government handouts rather than everyone being pushed down by big corporations and their allies in congress and the white house.
Trump has blown the political dog whistle against immigrants, Muslims and now women, but the ear of the white working class has always been specially tuned against Blacks. This next race card may be about to drop.
Race privilege may not be discussed much but for the average white working class person it means that no matter how much corporate America had abandoned them, and it has, they could always count on white privilege to give them an edge up for jobs, housing, slightly better schools and better treatment from law enforcement.
This combination of 'feeling that they were better than "them" and having this sense of race entitlement reinforced by real advantages is hard to give up in a society that has given them a steady diet of it for hundreds of years. Studies by the Whiteness Project show that over 40% of working class whites believe that they, not Blacks are the real victims of racial discrimination today.
What this perception shows is that as the quality of life of all working Americans is declining, whites believe that it's because Blacks are being lifted up by free government handouts rather than everyone being pushed down by big corporations and their allies in congress and the white house.
Trump has blown the political dog whistle against immigrants, Muslims and now women, but the ear of the white working class has always been specially tuned against Blacks. This next race card may be about to drop.
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Wow, sounds like the Obama coalition of voters that everyone was so proud turned out, uneducated, young, racist and generally not informed. Seemed so much nicer when the voters were not white.
Maybe we should analyze the voting block Bernie Sanders he seems mighty popular these days among an excited group of young voters. Surely we cannot be facing the battle of the most hated - Hillary vs Donald is really not much to smile about a blowhard and a liar who care more about themselves than anyone else. Likely bad choices and I am not sure even Bill can save Hillary from her failure to protect classified information when she was the secretary of state.
Maybe we should analyze the voting block Bernie Sanders he seems mighty popular these days among an excited group of young voters. Surely we cannot be facing the battle of the most hated - Hillary vs Donald is really not much to smile about a blowhard and a liar who care more about themselves than anyone else. Likely bad choices and I am not sure even Bill can save Hillary from her failure to protect classified information when she was the secretary of state.
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I think you misunderstood the article. The registered democrats that support Trump are not from the Obama coalition. They are generally older, white, blue collar voters who likely registered as democrats decades ago but vote Republican in Presidential elections.
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Nope. The "democrats" you're hearing about are such as folks in Oklahoma (see the map) who just never got around to changing their voter identification cards back in the day. They vote republican, hate "PC", and despised Obama from the get-go. They're just as right wing as any republican up north could ever hope to be. The liberals among us keep their heads down for sure; it's a hard row to hoe.
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"His [Trump's] geographic pattern of support is not just about demographics-...it is similar to a map of the tendency toward racism by region, according to measures like the prevalence of Google searches for racial slurs and racist jokes, or scores of implicit association tests."
Mr. Trump, having recently proclaimed his resurrection of the "silent majority", is trying to invoke the ghost of Richard Nixon's southern strategy; resentment of minorities in the aftermath of the civil rights laws passed in the mid-1960's, when President Johnson opined that the Democratic Party would lose the south "for a generation."
Trump is betting that white nonvoters, many of them disaffected, because of their resentment of not recovering from the great recession of 2008, will flock to the polls in support, as did the hard hatted construction workers did for Nixon in 1968 and again, in President Reagan's landslide of 1980 with the emergence of the " Reagan Democrat."
Along with their animus toward a black president, they perceive as privileged and elite, you have the Trump dog whistle of de- legitimatizing President Obama with claims of him being born in Kenya.
The Republican Party establishment, having allowed such intolerance into their ranks, have a dilemma on their hands when it comes to growing the party. Trump's message won't do and unavailing such a tired and dated game plan will only make matters worse with a changing demographic of the shrinking white vote.
Mr. Trump, having recently proclaimed his resurrection of the "silent majority", is trying to invoke the ghost of Richard Nixon's southern strategy; resentment of minorities in the aftermath of the civil rights laws passed in the mid-1960's, when President Johnson opined that the Democratic Party would lose the south "for a generation."
Trump is betting that white nonvoters, many of them disaffected, because of their resentment of not recovering from the great recession of 2008, will flock to the polls in support, as did the hard hatted construction workers did for Nixon in 1968 and again, in President Reagan's landslide of 1980 with the emergence of the " Reagan Democrat."
Along with their animus toward a black president, they perceive as privileged and elite, you have the Trump dog whistle of de- legitimatizing President Obama with claims of him being born in Kenya.
The Republican Party establishment, having allowed such intolerance into their ranks, have a dilemma on their hands when it comes to growing the party. Trump's message won't do and unavailing such a tired and dated game plan will only make matters worse with a changing demographic of the shrinking white vote.
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I keep wondering:
Is Trump an arrogant bloviated xenophobic racist...
or
Is Trump expressing exactly what a majority of the population believes: that we want to live with our own kind, that we've been forced to accept a decline in values and the quality of life because of political correctness and liberal media bias.
I'd like to believe it's the first but have a feeling its the second. And people don't care how much trouble his big mouth may get us into.
Is Trump an arrogant bloviated xenophobic racist...
or
Is Trump expressing exactly what a majority of the population believes: that we want to live with our own kind, that we've been forced to accept a decline in values and the quality of life because of political correctness and liberal media bias.
I'd like to believe it's the first but have a feeling its the second. And people don't care how much trouble his big mouth may get us into.
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Majority of the population? No, he hasn't even captured a majority of Republican voters - which is not the same thing, no matter what Fox News says.
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If you have suffered a decline in quality of life, it is because of Reagan, followed by 2 Bushes.
(I cannot see how 'political correctness' could affect your quality of life unless you feel unhappy to not be able to openly spout bigotry.)
(I cannot see how 'political correctness' could affect your quality of life unless you feel unhappy to not be able to openly spout bigotry.)
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Wanting to live "with our own kind" and dreaming of getting rid of the "others" is in fact xenophobic and racist. And it is dangerous, too. It's no answer, either, to a decline in values (you'd be surprised how unvirtuous white people are, just about as much so as anyone) or the decline in quality of life (which has everything to do with the squeeze on workers that's gone on so long now and has become acute). If people don't care, it's because it's easier to follow an easy-answer con man into fascist-land than to find real answers, or even to learn what's going on.
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There is one factor statistics with all it data, bar graphs, spreadsheets, mean, median, filtering and highly complex algorithms cannot take into account, that's the human heart. When Trump wins and the election is studied for years to come, hopefully it's result was one of national revitalization, pride and sense of exceptionalism that got us to the moon, ended WWII and made us all proud to be Americans.
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If Trump wins the election it will be viewed as the day that America lost its mind, heart, and soul.
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Is your post supposed to be a stab at satire?
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Well considering one of the the prime forces in getting us to the moon was Werner von Braun, a German citizen brought into this nation the other rocket scientists who designed and build the V-1 and V-2 rockets, I would say Trump and his supporters wouldn't have allowed him into the country. (Read about Operation Paper Clip.)
If Donald Trump makes you proud to be an American, then you have zero knowledge about this country, and it's entire reason for being. He represents the absolute worst this nation has to offer.
If Donald Trump makes you proud to be an American, then you have zero knowledge about this country, and it's entire reason for being. He represents the absolute worst this nation has to offer.
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So, in other words, Trump is pulling in the Reagan Democrats - the Dixiecrats and poorly educated white ethnics from the Roosevelt coalition who abandoned the party in the late 60s and early 70s. Their support of Reagan made such a difference in their lives that they're even more disillusioned today than they were back in the day.
If only The Donald actually offered a credible solution to their woes - rather than just sound and fury, signifying nothing.
The reality is that attitude counts for nothing in the modern world.
Here's one thing that Trump should promise to do, and then follow through on, were he to become President - make it again as easy for a working person to discharge personal debts as it was for Donald to discharge his business debts in bankruptcy court. The Congress made it much harder for the little guy to do so in 2005 - and if we're going to have a bankruptcy queen in the White House, it would only be fair to make it just as easy for everyone else.
If only The Donald actually offered a credible solution to their woes - rather than just sound and fury, signifying nothing.
The reality is that attitude counts for nothing in the modern world.
Here's one thing that Trump should promise to do, and then follow through on, were he to become President - make it again as easy for a working person to discharge personal debts as it was for Donald to discharge his business debts in bankruptcy court. The Congress made it much harder for the little guy to do so in 2005 - and if we're going to have a bankruptcy queen in the White House, it would only be fair to make it just as easy for everyone else.
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Excellent comment. You nailed the Donald here for me better than anyone I've read to date.
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@ Matthew Carnicelli -
You are correct except where you are not - - yes - - it is the old Reagan Democrats that arose in the late-1970s and early-1980s - - no - - they are not all Southerners, less educated or "Dixiecrats". I likely fall in many ways into the classification of Reagan Democrats.
To their defense, Reagan Democrats were those in the South, BUT ALSO, working and MIddle Class Americans in all other locals whose families were/are Democrats, and very much the backbone of the FDR New Deal Coalition. But in our family's case, we became uncomfortable with the across the boards anti-war raging of some Democrats in the wake of Vietnam (our family members go and typically fight America's wars and aren't pacifists), the Roe v. Wade abortion-on-demand w/o any restrictions decision of 1973 (we're Catholic), the forced-busing of whites in public schools to 90% plus African-American schools where they were not welcomed or well-treated (my little sister, age 7 bused a distance to a school where she was bullied and beaten-up because she was white circa 1973-74, while Sen. Kennedy sent his kids to private schools not subject to busing)...
I'll stop there.
THAT drift in the Democratic Party, and the rise of McGovern-wing to ruling without being checked is what helped create Reagan-Democrats. Not bigotry or lack of education.
I won't ever support the likes of Trump - - but people do feel the system is rigged and unfair and Trump is saying that, loudly. WEBB in 2016 !
You are correct except where you are not - - yes - - it is the old Reagan Democrats that arose in the late-1970s and early-1980s - - no - - they are not all Southerners, less educated or "Dixiecrats". I likely fall in many ways into the classification of Reagan Democrats.
To their defense, Reagan Democrats were those in the South, BUT ALSO, working and MIddle Class Americans in all other locals whose families were/are Democrats, and very much the backbone of the FDR New Deal Coalition. But in our family's case, we became uncomfortable with the across the boards anti-war raging of some Democrats in the wake of Vietnam (our family members go and typically fight America's wars and aren't pacifists), the Roe v. Wade abortion-on-demand w/o any restrictions decision of 1973 (we're Catholic), the forced-busing of whites in public schools to 90% plus African-American schools where they were not welcomed or well-treated (my little sister, age 7 bused a distance to a school where she was bullied and beaten-up because she was white circa 1973-74, while Sen. Kennedy sent his kids to private schools not subject to busing)...
I'll stop there.
THAT drift in the Democratic Party, and the rise of McGovern-wing to ruling without being checked is what helped create Reagan-Democrats. Not bigotry or lack of education.
I won't ever support the likes of Trump - - but people do feel the system is rigged and unfair and Trump is saying that, loudly. WEBB in 2016 !
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"abortion on demand" is an odd turn of phrase. How does "war on demand" grab you? Of all people, a professional war fighter, a United States Marine, you should be the first person to condem the never ending line of chicken-hawk politicians and capitalists who will never in a million years put themselves or a family member in harms way in the never ending wars they foist on us.
And please remember, this is not the United States of Catholics, nor is it the United States of the Military, it is the United States of America, and we all must subsume our metaphysical imaginations and brutal violent self-centered natures to ensure a peaceful and productive society has the smallest chance to take hold.
And please remember, this is not the United States of Catholics, nor is it the United States of the Military, it is the United States of America, and we all must subsume our metaphysical imaginations and brutal violent self-centered natures to ensure a peaceful and productive society has the smallest chance to take hold.
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Would not the majority of Hillary Clinton supporters also be in the lower class and less educated? If not, I do not see how the democrats have a shot at winning.
Wealthy and highly educated citizens are not the majority. I'm not a Trump supporter; however, the anti-trump propaganda posted on nearly all media sites is striking.
Wealthy and highly educated citizens are not the majority. I'm not a Trump supporter; however, the anti-trump propaganda posted on nearly all media sites is striking.
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While most Clinton supporters also do not have a college degree- only about 30% of the nation does- they are not against learning more, about understanding actual issues and comparing solutions.
Trump has not offered a single plausible solution to anything. His wall by Mexico is beyond pathetic. His would be ban on Muslims is just stupid and unAmerican, and his tax plan would funnel trillions of dollars to those who already have billions in the bank. That's about as close to policy proposals as I've heard from Trump. He is little more than a windbag.
Trump has not offered a single plausible solution to anything. His wall by Mexico is beyond pathetic. His would be ban on Muslims is just stupid and unAmerican, and his tax plan would funnel trillions of dollars to those who already have billions in the bank. That's about as close to policy proposals as I've heard from Trump. He is little more than a windbag.
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Please provide some examples of this propaganda.
Trump's campaign is alive and well because of all the free media attention he has received. The media loves him and will keep his campaign alive for as long as they can.
Trump's campaign is alive and well because of all the free media attention he has received. The media loves him and will keep his campaign alive for as long as they can.
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I don't believe it is overt racism that motivates Trump supporters; I think it is fear (but maybe that's the same thing).
Trump supporters have had great difficulty adjusting to the 21st century economy, where education and specialty skills are needed, and where white/Christian culture is less dominant. There are examples of such people all over the Western world. Those without specialty skills blame immigrants and "others" as being responsible for their poverty and loss of social dominance. Trump et al tap into this fear.
Trump supporters have had great difficulty adjusting to the 21st century economy, where education and specialty skills are needed, and where white/Christian culture is less dominant. There are examples of such people all over the Western world. Those without specialty skills blame immigrants and "others" as being responsible for their poverty and loss of social dominance. Trump et al tap into this fear.
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Difficulty adjusting!? Not everyone is cut out for college and white collar jobs, blue collar jobs like construction are undercut by illegal immigrants. Mid and Lower level white collar jobs are undercut by H1Bs, and factory work was all shipped overseas. Should they just have died? Is that the adjustment you're talking about? Well, they're killing themselves at increased rates, so now they are adjusting, thanks.
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This article adds more proof to the notion that the percentage of American voters capable of objective reasoning is shrinking. We should all be asking this question: if so many people select a candidate based on misinformation what good is a democracy?
Example: There is no way America will deport 12 million illegal immigrants. It would be disastrous for our economy. If elected, xenophobic Trump will likely seek some high profile, but very limited, deportations. I can see him standing at the lectern in the White House press room exalting in the deportation of 20 or maybe even 100 Mexicans. And his supporters will dance in victory. Congratulations. You accomplished nothing.
And that is the America of the 21st Century in a nutshell. It's like the defensive back in a NFL playoff game who, after making a tackle for a loss to the opposing team, hops up and dances around, even though his team is losing by 3 touchdowns.
Example: There is no way America will deport 12 million illegal immigrants. It would be disastrous for our economy. If elected, xenophobic Trump will likely seek some high profile, but very limited, deportations. I can see him standing at the lectern in the White House press room exalting in the deportation of 20 or maybe even 100 Mexicans. And his supporters will dance in victory. Congratulations. You accomplished nothing.
And that is the America of the 21st Century in a nutshell. It's like the defensive back in a NFL playoff game who, after making a tackle for a loss to the opposing team, hops up and dances around, even though his team is losing by 3 touchdowns.
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True. Obama has us down by 3 touchdowns & it's going to be hard to catch up.
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Trump's supporters is basically a cross section of the most ignorant Americans around. They hate and disapprove of anyone not like themselves. They refuse to actually learn about issues and just go with whatever ignorance they've soaked up from various sources. They generally have poor educations, they are ignorant, they mistrust (if not actually hate) anyone with a college degree, and they are proud of this ignorance. It is stunning to see a stupid person wear their stupidity with pride (yes, I've seen this).
And the same can be said about those supporting Ted Cruz.
And the same can be said about those supporting Ted Cruz.
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Your comment is a pretty good analysis of why Trump is so popular, not at all for the content of comment, but the tone and vitriol you express. The Trump supporters I have spoken too feel the Democratic party views them exactly as you have described and you are of course wrong.
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Interesting that the people who despise Trump in part for the language he uses, heap the same language and abuse on the people who support him. Makes you wonder why they think they are superior to those "stupid," ignorant" voters.
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Based on statistics showing a total age breakdown of Trumps supporters of 164%, I suspect someone is mucking about with the numbers.
On another note, Trump has the "establishment" of both parties terrified. The odds are that far more Democrats and Republicans are supporting Trump than let on. Probably due to the "Bradley Effect".
The media is also terrified because for the first time in their recorded history they are cannot "not" report on Trump and they have absolutely no luck in chopping or twisting his comments to make his supporters hate him.
Only the koolaid drinkers in both parties support the candidates being foisted upon them. The fear of the "establishment" is that Trump is destroying Americans' taste for koolaid.
On another note, Trump has the "establishment" of both parties terrified. The odds are that far more Democrats and Republicans are supporting Trump than let on. Probably due to the "Bradley Effect".
The media is also terrified because for the first time in their recorded history they are cannot "not" report on Trump and they have absolutely no luck in chopping or twisting his comments to make his supporters hate him.
Only the koolaid drinkers in both parties support the candidates being foisted upon them. The fear of the "establishment" is that Trump is destroying Americans' taste for koolaid.
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@Rob, you need to learn to read numbers. The Age breakdown graph you refer to shows the percentage of voters in each age bracket who support the Donald. Only within an age bracket should supporters of all candidates add to 100%. If everyone in all five age categories supported Trump, by your math, that would total 500%.
A perfect example of illiteracy in the Trump camp.
A perfect example of illiteracy in the Trump camp.
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The good news - you can do simple addition.
The bad news - you're understanding of the age statistics is not happening. Those are Trump's percentage of supporters in EACH age CATEGORY.
You don't add them up.
(ie: if he had 90% support of 18-29 year olds and 90% support of 65 people, that would not mean he had 180% support.) The percentage a candidate has cannot be over 100% of any particular category. Cause that makes no sense.
The real news - I think we need to correlate Trump support by IQ.
Then we'd all know the truth.
The bad news - you're understanding of the age statistics is not happening. Those are Trump's percentage of supporters in EACH age CATEGORY.
You don't add them up.
(ie: if he had 90% support of 18-29 year olds and 90% support of 65 people, that would not mean he had 180% support.) The percentage a candidate has cannot be over 100% of any particular category. Cause that makes no sense.
The real news - I think we need to correlate Trump support by IQ.
Then we'd all know the truth.
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There is some interesting data in this piece: Trump clearly fares best among those voters with weak Republican partisanship and lower propensity to vote. These factors could limit Trump's success in the Republican primaries, especially in the Western half of the U.S. But if Trump survives the primaries, his broad appeal to Republicans and conservative Independents and Democrats would presumptively serve him well in the general election.
I do have questions about Cohn's analysis of the data presented. Cohn states that Trump's best state is West Virginia; the map suggests that he is better entrenched in New York. And it would be more understandable to report the correlation between Trump support and racially charged Internet searches, rather than just report the map data.
I do have questions about Cohn's analysis of the data presented. Cohn states that Trump's best state is West Virginia; the map suggests that he is better entrenched in New York. And it would be more understandable to report the correlation between Trump support and racially charged Internet searches, rather than just report the map data.
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There are well over 300 MILLION people in the country - almost 320 million - and with a mere 11,000 interviews, the conclusion is that Trump prevails among the "lesser educated" registered Democrats. That's the upshot. The fact that he prevails among all Republicans is less important than that "lesser educated" Democrat zinger, with the implied racism thrown in.
I can understand wanting to understand the nature of Trump's appeal, but the assault on whites as racists, the South and the "lesser educated" is a form of bigotry that I find repugnant, particularly when the conclusion is not only pure conjecture given the numbers interviewed, but obviously partisan. "Effete intellectual snobs;" Agnew sure wasn't my favorite guy, but if was able to say it today, he'd be on to something.
Bernie Sanders is by far the most qualified person for the presidency, but part of the reason why is that he's not condescending toward any swath of Americans, nor does he resort to divisive tactics. I wish there were as many articles about Bernie's positions as there are Trump's poll numbers.
I can understand wanting to understand the nature of Trump's appeal, but the assault on whites as racists, the South and the "lesser educated" is a form of bigotry that I find repugnant, particularly when the conclusion is not only pure conjecture given the numbers interviewed, but obviously partisan. "Effete intellectual snobs;" Agnew sure wasn't my favorite guy, but if was able to say it today, he'd be on to something.
Bernie Sanders is by far the most qualified person for the presidency, but part of the reason why is that he's not condescending toward any swath of Americans, nor does he resort to divisive tactics. I wish there were as many articles about Bernie's positions as there are Trump's poll numbers.
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Good comment.
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The phrase was "nattering nabobs of negativsm," and it was written by William Safire, late of The Times and, of course, this world.
And "effete" - really? If you mean "prissy," at least have the Internet courage to say so.
And "effete" - really? If you mean "prissy," at least have the Internet courage to say so.
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Bernie Sanders is Venezuela: a dream of something that never will be. But keep on dreaming....
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The only thing Trump has accomplished is to prove to America, and the rest of the world, just how bigoted and small-minded a vast swath of citizens are when times get tough.
For me, Trump represents selfishness: an "I've got mine and I intend to keep it, even at your expense" attitude. The direct opposite of the pioneer spirit and power of attraction that actually made America great for the last 3 centuries.
Whither we go from here depends on how those who don't agree with Trump and his whites-only attitudes coalesce to regain control of the nation.
For me, Trump represents selfishness: an "I've got mine and I intend to keep it, even at your expense" attitude. The direct opposite of the pioneer spirit and power of attraction that actually made America great for the last 3 centuries.
Whither we go from here depends on how those who don't agree with Trump and his whites-only attitudes coalesce to regain control of the nation.
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He represents selfishness yet you feel a "vast swath" of citizens are small-minded and bigoted. Hmmmm.
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I'm tired of name-calling in this country -- and that includes you, Christine, calling others bigoted, small-minded, selfish, and so on.
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Trump's popularity comes from the fact that he speaks truth in many issues in
a manner that is passionate and unwavering in his conviction. So his fight is against the political establishment, Republican or Democrat, and media that represents the status quo of this country that is rapidly losing its leadership position and competitiveness. All this demographic and geographical analysts do not make much sense, if any.
a manner that is passionate and unwavering in his conviction. So his fight is against the political establishment, Republican or Democrat, and media that represents the status quo of this country that is rapidly losing its leadership position and competitiveness. All this demographic and geographical analysts do not make much sense, if any.
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Trump speaks truth? Trump speaks racism and sexism. Trump speaks privilege. The rules that apply to you and me don't apply to Trump and his peers. Trump has misled his investors and profited by declaring bankruptcy, forcing those who follow him to take the loss.
Truth and Trump don't belong in the same sentence, Paul. Trump is just telling you what you want to hear. He's using you, like he's used so many others. Wake up before it's too late.
Truth and Trump don't belong in the same sentence, Paul. Trump is just telling you what you want to hear. He's using you, like he's used so many others. Wake up before it's too late.
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Trump's popularity comes from the media always covering his antics, his followers his hair, his whatever. All traditional forms of the media are using Trump to try to entice low information subscribers. He is the supermarket topic of the conventional media, intentionally and with regard only for money.
Sanders has a huge following, more individual donations than any candidate in history but he is ignored, dismissed or disparaged by all conventional media.
I wonder how many big media stockholders are directing news today?
Sanders has a huge following, more individual donations than any candidate in history but he is ignored, dismissed or disparaged by all conventional media.
I wonder how many big media stockholders are directing news today?
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Xenophobia, hatred, racism, and sexism is not speaking truth. It is being a moronic demagogue.
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We are an Indian American family. We support Mr.Trump because he has been both a Democrat and a Republican, which we find as a positive attribute. He built great wealth in the 1970s and 80s redeveloping the Commodore Hotel in NYC, built casinos in Atlantic City, and purchased an airline, only to come upon hard times in the 1990s. His resilience and perseverance allowed him to make a great come back and build a Worldwide brand.
We like that quality and admire billionaires because of their success, not in spite of it. My wife came to the States with $8 in her purse (100 Rupees) because of India's dreadful economic conditions that resulted from the one party rule of the The Nehru-Gandhi family political dynasty of the Congress Party, which much like the Democrats in the States kept India in the economic doldrums by exploiting the weak, the meek and the ignorant by corruption engender by TOO MUCH CENTRAL GOVERNMENT meddling in the economy, until the country was broke in the early 1990s (We thank God that we live in the States, both hold doctorate degrees, have two children with advanced degrees and self created wealth because we got educated, worked hard professionally, stayed married and postpone gratification.)
The Obama administration has fostered, promoted and encouraged class and race envy, which has reared its ugly head against Indian Americans because our cohort is the most highly educated, highest income cohort in the States today. We support Trump.
We like that quality and admire billionaires because of their success, not in spite of it. My wife came to the States with $8 in her purse (100 Rupees) because of India's dreadful economic conditions that resulted from the one party rule of the The Nehru-Gandhi family political dynasty of the Congress Party, which much like the Democrats in the States kept India in the economic doldrums by exploiting the weak, the meek and the ignorant by corruption engender by TOO MUCH CENTRAL GOVERNMENT meddling in the economy, until the country was broke in the early 1990s (We thank God that we live in the States, both hold doctorate degrees, have two children with advanced degrees and self created wealth because we got educated, worked hard professionally, stayed married and postpone gratification.)
The Obama administration has fostered, promoted and encouraged class and race envy, which has reared its ugly head against Indian Americans because our cohort is the most highly educated, highest income cohort in the States today. We support Trump.
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Telling. Interesting that the this writer supports Trump without mentioning his proposed policies and why they are good for America. The support here stems from his perceived business accomplishments, the fact he is rich and both a democrat and a republican. One wonders, given Trump's stance on immigration, if these Indian immigrants would have been allowed into this country to contribute to American society, as they obviously have, if he was in power.
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Trump's "great wealth" is from his father coffers, cronies, and having gone through four bankruptcies--someone else was made to pick up the tab. President Obama "fostered race envy"? I can only surmise you've been drinking Kool-Aid of the FOX variety because that kind of twisted disinformation only exists in their alternate universe. I'd suggest you turn the channel. Do you think his "brand" (racism) will stop with Mexicans and Muslims?
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Anyone who wants to see what America's future under the Democrats looks like, only has to look at the suffering, desperation, and political depravity in India. Any time I see Jesse Jackson shake down large corporations for money and hiring quotas, I'm immediately reminded of India's left-wing politicians. Anytime I see the rising tide of left-led ethnic-baiting that is increasingly pervasive across so many discussions and debates in American society and politics, I'm instantly reminded of what has driven so many people to flee India. If the Democratic Party's goal is to turn America into a 3rd world country, then their policies and attitudes are on the right track.
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Trump's amazing numbers should hearten supporters of Bernie Sanders. The conventional wisdom has it that neither could ever get the nomination of their party. Yet Trump is leading, and there is a growing realization about just how angry the voters are, an anger that I would argue has less to do with race than this article implies. The boiling frustration at the evaporating American Dream is rupturing poltics-as-usual. Why just in the Republican camp?
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Sanders' support is built upon just as much anger as Trump's. The difference is that Bernie would like that anger to be directed at nebulous players like the "rich" and "corporations". He wants the angry Trump voters. He just has to get them to demonize his culprits versus Trump's.
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"Why just in the Republican camp?"
Well, they are less educated so are less likely to see they're being manipulated, aka played like fiddles, by the billionaire owners of the GOTP...like Trump himself.
If you think Donald or Sheldon Adelson or the Kochs or the Walton's care about your workaday lives, you are one of the "Less Educated" mentioned in this article.
Or as my Pappy would say "y'all ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer".
Well, they are less educated so are less likely to see they're being manipulated, aka played like fiddles, by the billionaire owners of the GOTP...like Trump himself.
If you think Donald or Sheldon Adelson or the Kochs or the Walton's care about your workaday lives, you are one of the "Less Educated" mentioned in this article.
Or as my Pappy would say "y'all ain't the sharpest knife in the drawer".
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I don't think that racism correlates directly with 'Trumpism' or vice versa. What I do think is that the conditions that lead someone to racist attitudes are similar to the ones that lead someone to Trump: lack of education, lack of direct exposure to other demographics, low information derived from one or two sources, and a certain close-mindedness; all of which, by the way, are mutually reinforcing and exceedingly difficult to break through.
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Therefore higher education and insider information would lead you to a Hillary Clinton--the Nixon of our Times? Interesting! It's strange how many comments get published here that sound like a broken record: "Trump supporters lack education...blah blah blah." But the fact of the matter is many New York Times readers seem to be severely ill-educated to believe all this anti-Trump hype. What are you folks so afraid of? Could the state of the union get any worse?
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I agree with you. My only caveat is that I believe even highly educated people in this country have limited sources of information. Read the various comments to daily articles/columns in the NYT and the WSJ and try to envision most of the commenters bothering to read the other publication. Even these readers seem to be close-minded.
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"I don't think that racism correlates directly with Trumpism"
You may think what you like - a correlation does not know that you exist, much less whether or not you think.
That is, the correlation is a fact. Your "thoughts" are merely an uninformed opinion.
You may think what you like - a correlation does not know that you exist, much less whether or not you think.
That is, the correlation is a fact. Your "thoughts" are merely an uninformed opinion.
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I suppose the take back from this article is that of those who participated in the survey who support Trump tend to less educated than the average voter. Are we surprised at this finding? I say no. Anyone who would fall for his third grade arguments(I mean no insult to third graders) can't be very well educated. When I say educated, I don't just mean book lurnin. I mean those who keep up on events that happen world wide. So if the uneducated support Trump who supports the rest? I can only think it is the uber uneducated.
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Trump's popularity is a repudiation of the Bush-Cheney arrogance/incompetence/hypocrisy that wasted trillions on Iraq while enriching Cheney's Halliburton company, which profited as a supplier of low-tech materials and services for the war.
As a populist who likes to see his poll numbers stay up, could Trump govern with policies that actually helped his true base: working class white Americans who fear the country is being taken over by an exotic coalition of foreign-business, immigrant and Muslim sympathizers?
Could Trump take on Wall Street, and perhaps would he, better than Clinton?
The popularity of Trump, despite his lack of the holier-than-thou religious pomposity that the Evangelicals are looking for, also reveals the weakening grip this group has, at least in the Southeast.
His opponents are not going to beat Trump simply for bashing him for being Trump-- a loud-mouth rich guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth. So far, he has not shown hypocrisy, but has effectively called out others for theirs.
No other Republican has a chance of beating Bill and Hillary. And if the GOP rules prevent the Trump base from getting him nominated, the GOP will lose again.
As a populist who likes to see his poll numbers stay up, could Trump govern with policies that actually helped his true base: working class white Americans who fear the country is being taken over by an exotic coalition of foreign-business, immigrant and Muslim sympathizers?
Could Trump take on Wall Street, and perhaps would he, better than Clinton?
The popularity of Trump, despite his lack of the holier-than-thou religious pomposity that the Evangelicals are looking for, also reveals the weakening grip this group has, at least in the Southeast.
His opponents are not going to beat Trump simply for bashing him for being Trump-- a loud-mouth rich guy born with a silver spoon in his mouth. So far, he has not shown hypocrisy, but has effectively called out others for theirs.
No other Republican has a chance of beating Bill and Hillary. And if the GOP rules prevent the Trump base from getting him nominated, the GOP will lose again.
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Trump's popularity is a repudiation of President Obama's polices, most notably his lack of enforcement of immigration laws and his intellectual/treacly approach to terrorism.
While it's tempting to use Trump's popularity to further bash republicans, democrats should take a cold hard look at Obama's support if they want to understand Trump's success. Trump is the un-Obama.
While it's tempting to use Trump's popularity to further bash republicans, democrats should take a cold hard look at Obama's support if they want to understand Trump's success. Trump is the un-Obama.
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If the GOP nominates him they'll lose again, so it sounds as if you're just saying the GOP will lose. I can live with that.
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Except that Trump has no real policies! Nor does he have a clue. All he has is a giant mouth. Be honest - can you visualize him holding negotiations with any foreign nation?
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Donald J. Trump is the protest candidate for a certain kind of American who realize things are going seriously wrong for them. They have no idea how to fix it and are not willing to accept that sometimes there are no easy solutions for complex problems. They are buying into his racist, xenophobic and opportunistic candidacy because the mainstream politicians are only offering more of the same and clearly that has failed for them. By showing support for his candidacy and showing up for his rallies allows them to register their dissatisfaction for the status quo.
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The question is how far Americans will go to express this discontent. Will they actually elect their "protest" candidate? It will depend on how well the other GOP candidates do with them but also how poorly Obama does. He can just as easily drive Americans into Trump's camp with more of his unpopular Executive Actions.
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I TS not that these supporters are buying into a racist etc. It's that trump embraces obvious third-rail issues that the political professionals won't ie Hillary bringing up the women's issue / Bill Clinton when her husbands actions concerning women are appalling. Many of his supporters detest the professional political class on both sides and delight in the potential to destroy the republican establishment while skewering the democrat estab in the process.
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Succinctly said and true. But the American voter needs to think ahead a bit. A "protest" candidate (and Sanders is Trump's alter ego) will get absolutely NOTHING done in DC. Despite the facts, many voters disappointed by Obama fail to remember he wasn't an insider so why would they vote that way again? These candidates running against the system are losers right off the starting gate and Trump is their poster boy.
In Georgia you don't register by party, so you are allowed to vote in the primary for who ever you want. Since the Republicans took over about 16 years ago and really Gerrymandered the state, that means in many districts your only chance to vote and make your vote count is to vote in the Primary. Otherwise you could really be stuck with a worse nut than the one in office. Or on the rare occasion when we have been able to get a white democrat in office it has been because the republicans have nominated such a repulsive candidate folks crossed and voted for the republican. For example, a former Republican mayor who was sexually harassing women in the office spraying air freshener at them in the office ran for open state senator seat. A former Ga tech quarterback who was raised by two Moms ran as a D on the platform of blocking a religious liberty bill that would hurt families like the one he grew up in. The D one he prevents the R's from having a super majority anymore. It took a Dems crossing in the primary leaving the sleasiest R the sexual harasser. ( he looked like a fat pig in profile as well) then he ended up facing the popular former quarterback with name recognition who was under 30. The area has a lot of new housing for millennialis just out of college, and then young families, then some Latinos that aren't citizens. The Democrat QB won. It was a shocker.
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The Donald's "pattern of support is ... similar to a map of the tendency toward racism by region..."
“This type of animus towards African-Americans is far more common than just about anyone would have guessed,” said Seth Stephens-Davidowitz.
In other words, Mr. Trump is very appealing to today's Confederate flag wavers and sympathizers; the same types of individuals who would have served proudly as front-line cannon fodder soldiers for the Old Confederacy in the Civil War.
America's original sin, which it has never fully reconciled itself with, rears its profoundly ugly and racist head once again in the inflated head of Donald Trump and his presidential campaign.
America's unfinished and unresolved Civil War continues to tear apart the country as The Donald helps Makes America Racist Again.
“This type of animus towards African-Americans is far more common than just about anyone would have guessed,” said Seth Stephens-Davidowitz.
In other words, Mr. Trump is very appealing to today's Confederate flag wavers and sympathizers; the same types of individuals who would have served proudly as front-line cannon fodder soldiers for the Old Confederacy in the Civil War.
America's original sin, which it has never fully reconciled itself with, rears its profoundly ugly and racist head once again in the inflated head of Donald Trump and his presidential campaign.
America's unfinished and unresolved Civil War continues to tear apart the country as The Donald helps Makes America Racist Again.
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That is overly simplistic. Yes, it's tribal, but these people are scared and circling the wagons. It's their jobs, their lives, and they would be union Dems, but that is no protection any more. Shame on the Dems for losing these people. They wouldn't care about immigration and otherness if they had good jobs at good wages. Don't expect them to give up that bare bit of 'privilege' without a fight. Globalization fear is real and worth fighting.
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And yet, basically, today's Democratic Party's position as "liberal" stems from it being the heirs of agrarian revolt, much of it in the South (which was then about to enact Jim Crow) in the 1880s and 1890s, which resulted in the nomination of William Jennings Bryan in 1896 and the Democratic Party becoming mostly the party of white Southerners, plus a few like Bryan, who couldn't even win his home state of Nebraska two of the three times he ran.
So look to your own original sin.
So look to your own original sin.
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C'mon that is nonsense, look no further than some parts of NJ west of you if you actually live in Verona. Parts of Sussex and Warren Co.s have no job base to speak of and are well on the road to becoming upstate NY where Walmart and McDonalds jobs are careers for many. Folks in these areas don't hear anyone advocating for them or speaking to their needs. Climate change , undocumented immigrants and understanding Islam mean nothing to them, Trump is speaking to their struggles sadly, as any pitchman on an infomercial can. To call a vast part of the electorate 'racist " because they are currently listening to his message is sniveling and cheap.
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Trump supports are fearful and mean spirited, as is Trump. They have been abandoned in an America that is multi-cultural, lead by a Black president, and trapped in their own economic doom. They look out their windows and see nothing but threat from an ever looming, ever enlarging, minority population that is surely going to take over their world.
They get their news from Fox and talk radio. They learn their lessons from the pulpit of Evangelical pastors. They never did well in school and take pride in that. They rarely vote but consider themselves to be patriotic.
They are the new "great silent majority" that Republican's have used to cynically win elections since the 60's. Their voting has brought us the death of the middle class, the end of worker unions, the Iraq and Afghan wars, the gutting of our tax laws to the advantage of the wealthy, and the rise of corporate power in American politics. The Republican Party generates new threats to fear for each generation recruiting more, different, fearful followers (minority voting rights in the 50's; anti Vietnam protestors in the 60's; hippy's and flag burners in the 70's, currently-protect the 2nd amendment, etc) but their real aim remains the same: sustain political power for the very wealthy and elite in America. Trump is just the newest shill in an old, old game.
They get their news from Fox and talk radio. They learn their lessons from the pulpit of Evangelical pastors. They never did well in school and take pride in that. They rarely vote but consider themselves to be patriotic.
They are the new "great silent majority" that Republican's have used to cynically win elections since the 60's. Their voting has brought us the death of the middle class, the end of worker unions, the Iraq and Afghan wars, the gutting of our tax laws to the advantage of the wealthy, and the rise of corporate power in American politics. The Republican Party generates new threats to fear for each generation recruiting more, different, fearful followers (minority voting rights in the 50's; anti Vietnam protestors in the 60's; hippy's and flag burners in the 70's, currently-protect the 2nd amendment, etc) but their real aim remains the same: sustain political power for the very wealthy and elite in America. Trump is just the newest shill in an old, old game.
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Nonsense. These voters of which I may be one, are varied. This article like many others is a hit piece from the Democrat/republican status quo seeking politicos and their media fellow travelers whose world-view places them as the lever-puller-elite regardless of which party is in power. Dressed up by polling the article smears Trump to discourage support out of fear of losing access to power, in Mr Cohen's instance, losing a cozy relationship with power-brokers and insiders in both parties and having the echo-chamber satisfaction of tut-tutting about the unwashed rising up to support a populist. People are fed up with political elites in both parties and their media supporters and Trump is destroying the Republican establishment and in the process may destroy the Dem version as well, and if so, so much the better. Both parties have fed at the trough of government largess too long and our DC based system is not working except for the insiders. The sooner it collapses the better. As for my profile, successful business owner, MBA, professor, on a number of boards, etc. And many individuals like me see Trumps success as a means of destroying the existing self-dealing racket in DC that is destroying the country.
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Mostly correct. Republicans keep getting elected by appealing to fear and loathing, not any policy that would actually provide solutions to problems. I don't disagree that Potomac fever infects every politician in Washington but the disease seems to be truly egalitarian and Republicans are just as susceptible as Democrats and Trump is not the solution either.
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The interesting thing here is that group of people actually vote AGAINST their financial interest; against things that would actually improve their dismal out look on life.
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It is only a coincidence that the "Obama era" was presided by a person with darker skin pigmentation. If you implied that many Democrats deserted the party because of the skin color of the president, you may be confused and confusing others. He happened to preside after the second most severe crisis of the "economy" after 1929. The stagnation of wages relative to productivity and GDP is more telling of what is happening to people who work for a living (whose number is at is lowest point since 1977 even though the official unemployment rates have dropped).
many people choose to consciously (or unconsciously as manifested in the jokes) associate the "highest office of the land" (or symbol) with their personal fortunes. However, the finger may be pointed somewhere else: the autonomy of the market (or the unregulated god that people worship in society) is at fault for the unemployment, stagnation of wages, higher concentration of wealth, and the transformation of democracy in oligarchy. Politicians being bought is just a symptom of that oligarchic regime.
Racism is a convenient shortcut for pragmatism that seeks to find fault at hand and Trump its "natural consequence." Republicans alone are not to be blamed.
many people choose to consciously (or unconsciously as manifested in the jokes) associate the "highest office of the land" (or symbol) with their personal fortunes. However, the finger may be pointed somewhere else: the autonomy of the market (or the unregulated god that people worship in society) is at fault for the unemployment, stagnation of wages, higher concentration of wealth, and the transformation of democracy in oligarchy. Politicians being bought is just a symptom of that oligarchic regime.
Racism is a convenient shortcut for pragmatism that seeks to find fault at hand and Trump its "natural consequence." Republicans alone are not to be blamed.
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Bravo. Why don't the NYT official commentators and op-eds write like this?
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Excuse me? Obama presided over the Recession? Sorry, but that was George W, Bush. Obama presided over the RECOVERY. Unemployment is down, job creation is up and the ONLY reason wages remain stagnant is because Republicans refuse to raise the minimum wage. This is exactly the loose with the fcats approach that Trump uses. Republicans alone ARE to be blamed.
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@FRB, did you read the comment at all?
I wrote "preside after." You wrote "presided over" which gives it a different meaning. The same applies for "job creation", which is a relative figure given the overall low job participation (63% for able bodied people, ages 25 to 54). Obviously you have dogma that filters the reality. I am neither a Republican or a Democrat. I am a democrat though.
I wrote "preside after." You wrote "presided over" which gives it a different meaning. The same applies for "job creation", which is a relative figure given the overall low job participation (63% for able bodied people, ages 25 to 54). Obviously you have dogma that filters the reality. I am neither a Republican or a Democrat. I am a democrat though.
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Speaking as a supporter of and donor to our golfer-in-chief I find Mr Trump a welcome change from the smarmy unction of the party of my former choice.
Sure, he is a nincompoop, but he is a real nincompoop, a sincere nincompoop and nothing but a nincompoop.
His closest rival is Ted Cruz and in a nation in which Ted Cruz is allowed to live, Trump is a candidate for sainthood.
In the end, I will hold my nose and pull the Democrat lever on the voting machine, selecting the less obscene but far more annoying alternative (unless Bernie gets in, the only honorable man, or woman, in sight and the only candidate who has promised to raise my taxes) and prepare for another four years of writing indigent comments to you people.
Sure, he is a nincompoop, but he is a real nincompoop, a sincere nincompoop and nothing but a nincompoop.
His closest rival is Ted Cruz and in a nation in which Ted Cruz is allowed to live, Trump is a candidate for sainthood.
In the end, I will hold my nose and pull the Democrat lever on the voting machine, selecting the less obscene but far more annoying alternative (unless Bernie gets in, the only honorable man, or woman, in sight and the only candidate who has promised to raise my taxes) and prepare for another four years of writing indigent comments to you people.
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Aptly put... There are a few things that irritate me about Bernie, but I have little doubt about his authenticity and his intentions to improve the country, versus feather his nest.
Trump, regardless of what he says, is the genuine GOP candidate in my opinion. I think he would do much more harm than good as president, but I know that upfront from his own words. If he wins the nomination, and in turn the election, it will be because the majority of Americans either buy into his ideas, or were too lazy to get out and vote.
Trump, regardless of what he says, is the genuine GOP candidate in my opinion. I think he would do much more harm than good as president, but I know that upfront from his own words. If he wins the nomination, and in turn the election, it will be because the majority of Americans either buy into his ideas, or were too lazy to get out and vote.
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Presidents work pretty hard and deserve lesiure time, no?
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I recommend you, Good John Fagin, for the sheer audacity of your prose!
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I am one of those people this article alludes to. Just sent in my voter change of party registration this week. As the article states, here in Florida, one must be a registered Republican to vote in the Republican primary.
Though for years, my "label" of Democrat, was only a tool for minimal success as the dilemma of voting for the better choice of two bad choices. Sadly the last time, the promised "change" was an unfulfilled promise. Yet, seeing Tampa turned into a police state the last go around of the Republican Convention, only confirmed my belief of what that Party's values bring.
Yet Mr. Trump, though arrogant, has my respect as he does not dance any ones dance card but the one he chooses. We need sorely in America, and therefore Mr. Trump, you have my vote.
Though for years, my "label" of Democrat, was only a tool for minimal success as the dilemma of voting for the better choice of two bad choices. Sadly the last time, the promised "change" was an unfulfilled promise. Yet, seeing Tampa turned into a police state the last go around of the Republican Convention, only confirmed my belief of what that Party's values bring.
Yet Mr. Trump, though arrogant, has my respect as he does not dance any ones dance card but the one he chooses. We need sorely in America, and therefore Mr. Trump, you have my vote.
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"Yet Mr. Trump, though arrogant, has my respect as he does not dance any ones dance card but the one he chooses."
I truly am not getting the idea that a person (much less a candidate for the Presidency) actually wins admiration for being a racist bombastic nincompoop because he's 'sincere' about it. Setting the bar a bit low? Surely the adoration for his 'sincerity' could be tempered by the nature of what he's 'sincere' about? I use quotes because he's the biggest carnival barker since P. T. Barnum.
I truly am not getting the idea that a person (much less a candidate for the Presidency) actually wins admiration for being a racist bombastic nincompoop because he's 'sincere' about it. Setting the bar a bit low? Surely the adoration for his 'sincerity' could be tempered by the nature of what he's 'sincere' about? I use quotes because he's the biggest carnival barker since P. T. Barnum.
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Katherine Bailey:
It's instructive to examine who is calling Trump "racist", "sexist", etc. Mostly it's those who see themselves as the thought police, deciding what people may say.
It's important to realize that these charges are made against EVERY republican. It's just more of the same old, same old accusations being made against republicans.
The left's outrage is becoming commonplace as it finds ever more speech offensive. Krugman, et al, may write cleverly about the Trump phenomenon, but they cannot mask the left's disdain for all things republican.
It's instructive to examine who is calling Trump "racist", "sexist", etc. Mostly it's those who see themselves as the thought police, deciding what people may say.
It's important to realize that these charges are made against EVERY republican. It's just more of the same old, same old accusations being made against republicans.
The left's outrage is becoming commonplace as it finds ever more speech offensive. Krugman, et al, may write cleverly about the Trump phenomenon, but they cannot mask the left's disdain for all things republican.
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Katherine, I think what you're overlooking is that most of the other candidates lie even more than Trump does. People are starved for a bit of truth and are often willing to overlook or even share some ugliness.
Men like Trump, competitive, insecure, and prone to attacking The Other, can be dangerous. But even though I won't be voting for him, I can fully understand why so many wish to do so. we are living in a suffocating blanket of political correctness, lies that we are required to mouth day in and day out. And the Trump voters feel it from all sides. Their jobs are sent to China, then to add insult to injury, immigrants come here, create crime waves, tax local services, and further drive down wages. And what does Obama do? He ignores the law and tries to grant work permits to the illegal immigrants. He creates a plan to import poor people into middle income neighborhoods. What do the Republicans do? Whatever Wall Street wants.
These people are not being served by either party, and when that happens, they will look for alternatives.
Men like Trump, competitive, insecure, and prone to attacking The Other, can be dangerous. But even though I won't be voting for him, I can fully understand why so many wish to do so. we are living in a suffocating blanket of political correctness, lies that we are required to mouth day in and day out. And the Trump voters feel it from all sides. Their jobs are sent to China, then to add insult to injury, immigrants come here, create crime waves, tax local services, and further drive down wages. And what does Obama do? He ignores the law and tries to grant work permits to the illegal immigrants. He creates a plan to import poor people into middle income neighborhoods. What do the Republicans do? Whatever Wall Street wants.
These people are not being served by either party, and when that happens, they will look for alternatives.
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Judging by comments among my Facebook friends I'd have to say Trump is popular only among the least-educated and/or most racist people I know. But even my Libertarian friends don't like Trump. What surprises me is that many midwestern people who are generally nice people in person can find it in their hearts to support a total jerk - an East Coast loud-mouth jerk at that. I would have thought they would be more discerning.
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Correct. Out here in flyover land, I am astounded by the number of normally sane, sober solid citizens supporting Trump and overlook his bombast, incivility and any fact check of his statements. The grand delusion is complete.
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I think most people aren't plugged into this election yet in the Midwest. His might be the only name with which they are familiar at this point. I wouldn't take that too seriously. The reality is most of them won't vote in a primary and if the party of their choice nominated Donald Duck they would vote for him.
I would even hazard a guess if you just spoke to regular people in the middle of the country and explained to them what was going on in the Republican Party, they would be shocked. There are rabid people but most people just don't have time.
I would even hazard a guess if you just spoke to regular people in the middle of the country and explained to them what was going on in the Republican Party, they would be shocked. There are rabid people but most people just don't have time.
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I can't emphasize enough the importance of right-wing media in creating these people. My college-educated in-laws and father have NO IDEA of almost everything in the news. I honestly don't know what Fox shows all day. (Ha, just kidding - I know it's Benghazi.) These people couldn't be less informed if they tried. Nicest people you ever met of course, but scratch the surface and there is a strain of racism, xenophobia and genuine fear that they have no idea they are expressing. I'd like to be as confident as mj (above) but I've tried to explain what's happening in the GOP to my admittedly small sampling but they do not want to hear it. They are very happy to live in the bubble and say exactly that.
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Amazing.
The partisans of the most belligerent, bellicose, warmongers, like Trump, ignore the fact, that their paladin is just one more republican Viet Nam dodging coward.
Their patron saint, the Cold Warrior, Reagan used the studio's influence to spend WW II, the Big One, swanning around Hollywood in the jodhpurs and rising boots of a cavalry officer.
Mission Accomplished war criminal Boy George Bush used daddy's influence to dodge Viet Nam.
Not one of these other republican pretenders to the Presidency, set foot in Viet Nam, Dan Quayle, Pat Buchanan, Willard Mitty Romney, Newt Gingrich or Oops Perry. Nor did uber warmonger Rush Limbaugh.
In contrast two of the three Democratic baby boomers to get the nomination, Al Gore and John Kerry volunteered and served in Viet Nam.
Those who have never witnessed the full time horror show that is war, those who have never seen, and smelled, the incinerated remains of old people, women and children, the obscenely termed "collateral damage", are the loudest voices and greatest cheerleaders for war.
Therein lies the threat, to our children, our Treasury and our standing in the world.
The partisans of the most belligerent, bellicose, warmongers, like Trump, ignore the fact, that their paladin is just one more republican Viet Nam dodging coward.
Their patron saint, the Cold Warrior, Reagan used the studio's influence to spend WW II, the Big One, swanning around Hollywood in the jodhpurs and rising boots of a cavalry officer.
Mission Accomplished war criminal Boy George Bush used daddy's influence to dodge Viet Nam.
Not one of these other republican pretenders to the Presidency, set foot in Viet Nam, Dan Quayle, Pat Buchanan, Willard Mitty Romney, Newt Gingrich or Oops Perry. Nor did uber warmonger Rush Limbaugh.
In contrast two of the three Democratic baby boomers to get the nomination, Al Gore and John Kerry volunteered and served in Viet Nam.
Those who have never witnessed the full time horror show that is war, those who have never seen, and smelled, the incinerated remains of old people, women and children, the obscenely termed "collateral damage", are the loudest voices and greatest cheerleaders for war.
Therein lies the threat, to our children, our Treasury and our standing in the world.
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Great points - unfortunately the recent democrats who actually won were Bill Clinton who also dodged Vietnam and Barack Obama who was not the correct age to serve in Vietnam but has absolutely no military service and may be the most unpopular president to the military in 50 years. It is fact that Barack Obama has done more damage to the U.S. Treasury than any President in history - he has even been more effective at spending money we do not have than George Bush was. Hard to believe both those clowns were elected to second terms but it says something about the knowledge and decision making of the American voters.
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Confused,
You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
Reagan added 190% to the US debt in 96 largely criminal months, in the process raising the debt ceiling, a still record, 17 times.
In the 240 miserable, shameful months of ReaganBushBush, combined they raised the debt ceiling 28 times, on average, every 8.57 months.
During Clinton's 8 years the debt ceiling was raised 3 times and he balanced the budget his last three years and left Boy George a surplus. In Obama's 7 years the debt ceiling has been raised 4 times.
So, in the 180 months of Clinton, Obama the debt ceiling has been raised, on average, every 25.7 months.
A significant part of federal spending under President Obama has been paying for Boy George's two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts to the .01% and the unfunded trillion dollar wet kiss to Big Pharma, Medicare Part D.
You are entitled to your own opinion, not your own facts.
Reagan added 190% to the US debt in 96 largely criminal months, in the process raising the debt ceiling, a still record, 17 times.
In the 240 miserable, shameful months of ReaganBushBush, combined they raised the debt ceiling 28 times, on average, every 8.57 months.
During Clinton's 8 years the debt ceiling was raised 3 times and he balanced the budget his last three years and left Boy George a surplus. In Obama's 7 years the debt ceiling has been raised 4 times.
So, in the 180 months of Clinton, Obama the debt ceiling has been raised, on average, every 25.7 months.
A significant part of federal spending under President Obama has been paying for Boy George's two unfunded wars, two unfunded tax cuts to the .01% and the unfunded trillion dollar wet kiss to Big Pharma, Medicare Part D.
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Good one, but why do you say Trump is a warmonger? In the last debate, he pointed out that our military adventures in the Middle East have been pretty uniformly unproductive. Whereas Hillary Clinton never saw a war she didn't want to send someone else to fight.
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