Since I am reading this on line I did not realize it was on "the front page". But so what? This is a side of Hillary Clinton that I was not aware of, so thanks for that, and good for her for having done this.
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1972? Is this a joke? Fast forward to today and look at 12 to 20 million illegals that Hillary wants to give legal status and flood the country with foreign workers who will then drag in their relatives behind them......meanwhile, back at the ranch....12 million out of work blacks, having essentially the same skill set as the average illegal sit idle and out of work when they can do all these jobs that folks like Hillary and Obama say will improve the economy and lead to the middle class and beyond.....Mother Jones wrote a piece once saying 45% of illegals work off the books and make about $29,000 a year (today's dollars).......all this courtesy of Hillary, Obama, Holder, Lynch and the entire bunch of hate mongers (i.e. they hate blacks - they just don't know it or won't admit it.)..
And her acts in 1972 void the sins of today?
Shame on the NYT....
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And her acts in 1972 void the sins of today?
Shame on the NYT....
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This brought back memories: "There, she met local contacts who told her...“that many of the school districts in the area were draining local public schools of books and equipment to send to the so-called academies, which they viewed as the alternatives for white students...”
In the early 70's, as a high school student in a small town just outside Birmingham, I remember my journalism teacher frantically grabbing a group of us students who worked on the yearbook for an errand. "Agitators," she said as if black students were not present, were trying to cause trouble over textbooks and we had to make sure some boxed books were accessible. I mentioned this to my mother later, and she passed the information to, I hope, some contact where it was useful to someone like Clinton. I am not sure what finally became of those textbooks, but they were never used at my then newly-integrated public school.
In the early 70's, as a high school student in a small town just outside Birmingham, I remember my journalism teacher frantically grabbing a group of us students who worked on the yearbook for an errand. "Agitators," she said as if black students were not present, were trying to cause trouble over textbooks and we had to make sure some boxed books were accessible. I mentioned this to my mother later, and she passed the information to, I hope, some contact where it was useful to someone like Clinton. I am not sure what finally became of those textbooks, but they were never used at my then newly-integrated public school.
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Why resurrect the marital designations (Mrs.) of these women? How ironic that the NYT reports in this article that there used to be suspicions of "single women". Hillary certainly was not "single" when she was doing her undercover work and living with Bill. Please, enough!
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First of all, she was lying about who and what she was, even then, to advance her agenda. Second, as a resident of south Alabama during that era, I can assure you that while there were many who might have looked askance at her and her cohorts, nobody was a threat. This is a nonstory if I've ever read one.
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Why did Hillary lie about her purpose at the school. She could have been more truthful. Most of what she says is shaded in some way. Even in 1972, she used deception to achieve her purpose. Then she drove all her impressions through her filter. The South did what we saw Northern elites doing... sending their children to better private schools. Wake up... most of these school now have African American students.
Her solution then, as it is now... is government action; the Federal govenment will shape our social system by law.
Her solution then, as it is now... is government action; the Federal govenment will shape our social system by law.
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She spent 2 days in Dothan? Wow. Was that 48 hours? She could have gone to Long Island and found more segregation in public schools. Or the Boston surburbs.
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This is how far back you have to go to actually find an accomplishment by this person. She is the poster child for what's bad in our political system. In a Hillary Presidency the only condition in America that will improve will be the financial condition of the Clinton foundation. All together now.....Blinders Off......she would be as big a disaster as Trump.
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It's great to judge by deeds and not the party they're in.
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Sorely, deeply, irrevocably disappointed in NYT for so transparently and shamelessly promoting Wall Street's Tool candidate!
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The Gray Lady is showing her true colors, which now seem to be those of wealthy sheltered elite liberals, and their view of the world. For when there is a conflict between protecting and promoting members of their inner circle vs. doing investigative journalism with integrity, it opts for the former.
Call me a geek, or a boring policy wonk, but I am not seeing much serious coverage of the candidates on what actually matters. For every story that broadcasts and examines the candidates' proposals - the vital information and analyses that the NYTimes should be providing first and foremost - I read ten that are either premature and pre-emptive horse race reports about what the latest polls say, or highly subjective character-portrait stories that inevitably cherry pick the relevant details in a way that reflects the writers' and editors' preconceptions.
The problem with the first is that poll-watching harms the democratic process by front-loading the contest with popularity judgments before those judgments have been earned. The problem with the second is that, well, it isn't really the central function of reporting to provide character sketches like this piece, since they are less about providing facts and careful analysis, and more like doing PR for the paper's view, which it seems were settled four years ago.
Those of us who want deliberation with integrity, not push pieces - those of us who want the paper to live up to its famed reputation - are being let down.
Call me a geek, or a boring policy wonk, but I am not seeing much serious coverage of the candidates on what actually matters. For every story that broadcasts and examines the candidates' proposals - the vital information and analyses that the NYTimes should be providing first and foremost - I read ten that are either premature and pre-emptive horse race reports about what the latest polls say, or highly subjective character-portrait stories that inevitably cherry pick the relevant details in a way that reflects the writers' and editors' preconceptions.
The problem with the first is that poll-watching harms the democratic process by front-loading the contest with popularity judgments before those judgments have been earned. The problem with the second is that, well, it isn't really the central function of reporting to provide character sketches like this piece, since they are less about providing facts and careful analysis, and more like doing PR for the paper's view, which it seems were settled four years ago.
Those of us who want deliberation with integrity, not push pieces - those of us who want the paper to live up to its famed reputation - are being let down.
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Where is the lack of integrity? You are missing the forest for the trees. There are plenty of "facts and careful analysis" about the racialized de-funding of the public schools that persists to this day. You chide "wealthy elite liberals" for paying attention to issues of race because wealthy elite conservatives would rather pretend that such doesn't exist.
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Some of the comments disparage Mrs. Clinton for this work during her college days. Some say she didn't accomplish enough or resolve the situation. There are those who will not grant Hillary Clinton credit for anything she has done, just as there are those who will not grant President Obama credit for anything he has done. I'm frankly discouraged by such comments. They aren't fueled by analysis but by emotion.
Changing school segregation and eliminating racism will require the efforts of thousands and thousands of people over many years. Hillary Clinton contributed one small piece, as did many others, as do many today. This article serves as a reminder that we must work together, and that every contribution helps to build a better society, no matter how small. Instead of disparaging the work of others, it might be better to ask yourself what contribution you have made to better our society and to address issues of racism and discrimination in our world. The need is still there and plenty of ways to plug in.
Changing school segregation and eliminating racism will require the efforts of thousands and thousands of people over many years. Hillary Clinton contributed one small piece, as did many others, as do many today. This article serves as a reminder that we must work together, and that every contribution helps to build a better society, no matter how small. Instead of disparaging the work of others, it might be better to ask yourself what contribution you have made to better our society and to address issues of racism and discrimination in our world. The need is still there and plenty of ways to plug in.
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Many of you are too young to remember what the South was like. As a young, white graduate student, I drove to the March on Montgomery with two (white) friends. After stopping for gas, we were surrounded by a ring of hostile white men, and I still remember my feelings of sheer terror. We literally drove through them, slowly, to escape. My husband is from the South and was fired from a construction job because an older worker threatened to throw him off the top floor of the building and the boss wouldn't take responsibility.
It goes without saying that none of this equaled the fear and terror that blacks in the South were and still are subjected to almost every day. But what Hillary did was riskier than what I did. I am a Sanders supporter, but I have to set the record straight. I didn't like her vote on the Iraq War, but if you are tempted to sit this one out think about a President Cruz appointing Supreme Court justices.
It goes without saying that none of this equaled the fear and terror that blacks in the South were and still are subjected to almost every day. But what Hillary did was riskier than what I did. I am a Sanders supporter, but I have to set the record straight. I didn't like her vote on the Iraq War, but if you are tempted to sit this one out think about a President Cruz appointing Supreme Court justices.
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Meant to add that my husband was threatened because of his views on civil rights. He was only 17.
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I marvel at the 1970s photograph of two future Presidents of the United States of America.
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I do read this piece as an endorsement of Clinton. Instead I read another indictment of White Americans perpetuating racial segregation through the the funding of "private schools for 'Whites only" funded by tax dollars. Those tax dollars, also paid by Black tax payers, built, equipped, staffed, resourced and established a cover-up of illegal segregation. This same pattern is reflected in the charter school movement today, only White leaders of the movement are selling a "false bill of goods" to families of color and immigrant families that promises a better education, but instead contributing to the siphoning of declining investment in public education and thereby the destruction of what was at one time the best public education in the world.
And why has this happened? Because as throughout American history, the Browning of communities, states and the nation, White Americans abandons the systems and institutions peopled by those with Brown skin. We are not evolving or advancing as a nation because we are unwilling to face up to the national problem of individual and systemic racism that divides, distracts, demeans, and undermined us as we continue to serve up oppression.
Clinton is not the story. We and our perpetuation of racism, by any means necessary, is the story. We are looking in the mirror and refusing to see our own reflections.
And why has this happened? Because as throughout American history, the Browning of communities, states and the nation, White Americans abandons the systems and institutions peopled by those with Brown skin. We are not evolving or advancing as a nation because we are unwilling to face up to the national problem of individual and systemic racism that divides, distracts, demeans, and undermined us as we continue to serve up oppression.
Clinton is not the story. We and our perpetuation of racism, by any means necessary, is the story. We are looking in the mirror and refusing to see our own reflections.
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40 years ago, Mrs Clinton spent several days in Dothan investigating whether there was discrimination in the school system.
But by way of filler, we hear about rent, and wardrobe preferences, and get to see Bill with long hair and Hillary with aviators.
This is pure PR.
But by way of filler, we hear about rent, and wardrobe preferences, and get to see Bill with long hair and Hillary with aviators.
This is pure PR.
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The Times should have taken its cue from Mrs. Clinton's just under 300 words to figure out just what a big deal this story isn't. What's next? Rescuing a puppy from a pet shop?
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Let's see an equivalent article on Bernie Sanders' civil rights work. Or is fair coverage anathema to the Times?
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There is a tad of liberal hypocracy here. Why is it acceptable for some parents -like the Clintons- to send their kids to private academies, but for others (with far less income) it's only because they are racist?
In NYC, parents spend 20-40 thousand per year and go to incredible lengths to keep their children out of public schools? Why is that?
Less than 20 years after visiting Dothan, Ms Clinton sent her own child to Sidwell Friends rather than to the local public schools in DC. I suspect most of the writers and executives for the NY Times send their own kids to private schools in NY.
In NYC, parents spend 20-40 thousand per year and go to incredible lengths to keep their children out of public schools? Why is that?
Less than 20 years after visiting Dothan, Ms Clinton sent her own child to Sidwell Friends rather than to the local public schools in DC. I suspect most of the writers and executives for the NY Times send their own kids to private schools in NY.
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Another free campaign ad for Hillary Clinton.
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Now that Killer Mike and Nina Turner have endorsed Bernie Sanders Is the New York Times afraid many Americans will begin to feel more than ever that Sanders is the only authentic supporter of civil rights?
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All the people in the north like to write about the white racists in the south but ignore things like the busing riots in the north where the white parents raised hell to make sure their children did not go to school with African Americans. I remember
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Like it or not, we black folks have done better economically under a GOP president more often than a Democrat in spite of segregration and Jim Crow, over the last 100 years (although Bill Clinton, our first black president, knocked it out of the park). So let's be real...HRC ain't Bill. She's a typical white liberal looking for enough street cred with blacks and latinos to win an election without actually doing anything. We see right through it Hillary. Childrens Defense Fund is not a civil rights group. Try again.
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How about over the last 50 years?
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I know this .... the first thing she tried to do as first lady was to get health care for everyone. And she was tared and feathered mostly by the Republicans. She was so messed up by that experience she is scared to even talk about it now.
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I reached school age in the late forties in New Rochelle, NY and there was no segregation in the public schools. It never occurred to me that there was difference between whites and blacks except for skin color. Friends were friends. Color didn't enter into it. However when the family went on a trip to Florida in the mid fifties, I learned life wasn't like home. Innocently one day I saw a water fountain and went to drink from it. I was yanked back by my mother who told me that fountain was not for whites. "Colored" only. That is when I lost my innocence. I'm now in my 70's and I still see people as people but not their color. It truly is a blessing.
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Absolutely unbelievable.
You people are really something else. Talk about desperate.
Yes, let's send someone who was fired from Watergate, to the White House.
Who needs to hire a PR agency when you're a Democrat and you have The New York Times?
You people are really something else. Talk about desperate.
Yes, let's send someone who was fired from Watergate, to the White House.
Who needs to hire a PR agency when you're a Democrat and you have The New York Times?
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She has really had such a wealth of experience in so many areas and I do hope that she has the opportunity to bring that experience to the role as President of the United States. It's a rare opportunity for America even though she isn't perfect.
And Bernie Sanders as VP- why not?
And Bernie Sanders as VP- why not?
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“I would be disingenuous if I said integration didn’t have anything to do with” parents’ enrolling their children in Houston Academy. Integration was a huge social change for us.”
A bit of honesty. How utterly refreshing.
A bit of honesty. How utterly refreshing.
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Barely a bit, if you read all of the quotes.
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The thrust of Hillary’s “mission” was to provide evidence that the prep school in question was indeed segregated, so that civil rights leaders could get the IRS to end the private school’s tax exemption (which never happened, with Nixon in the White House). I find it ironic that 40-odd years ago the IRS was unmoved by whatever evidence Hillary and her civil rights heroine, Marian Wright Edelman, had accumulated.
Now, these days, when it’s been proven that the IRS discriminated against Tea Party groups — and covered up, at the highest levels — by holding up Tea Party applications for tax-exempt status and asking unreasonable questions, we have the same corrupt IRS. As always, the IRS has been available to a president for use as his personal political bludgeon to take out enemies or help friends.
When are we going to eliminate the IRS in favor of a simple and fair tax code?
Now, these days, when it’s been proven that the IRS discriminated against Tea Party groups — and covered up, at the highest levels — by holding up Tea Party applications for tax-exempt status and asking unreasonable questions, we have the same corrupt IRS. As always, the IRS has been available to a president for use as his personal political bludgeon to take out enemies or help friends.
When are we going to eliminate the IRS in favor of a simple and fair tax code?
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As someone who is on the fence, but leaning Sanders, I'm embarrassed by the constant Hillary-bashing by people who identify themselves as Sanders supporters. Sanders himself is not a "basher," and that's what I like about him most of all. Sanders doesn't need to bash anyone because he is right on the issues.
I commend Hillary for her work with the Children's Defense Fund and Sander's work with CORE. But, there remains so much work to be done on expanding opportunities for all our children that I'm voting Democratic no matter who the nominee. Democrats could do more, but Republicans will do nothing or sabotage any efforts towards poor and working class people getting a fair shake no matter what color they are.
It is interesting to watch this internecine struggle among mostly white progressives to prove who has done more for "the struggle." To be honest, so little has changed that we are having the same conversations on police brutality that I remember having growing up in the 1980s with the same language used around lynching at the turn of the 20th century.
Did Hillary's or Bernie's work on civil rights have an impact? Do they plan to work on civil rights issues as president? How much of an impact can a president have and do they anticipate having on these issues?
They won't do much if anything at all until the white majority believes police brutality, mass incarceration, and other weapons against the black community are no longer useful.
I commend Hillary for her work with the Children's Defense Fund and Sander's work with CORE. But, there remains so much work to be done on expanding opportunities for all our children that I'm voting Democratic no matter who the nominee. Democrats could do more, but Republicans will do nothing or sabotage any efforts towards poor and working class people getting a fair shake no matter what color they are.
It is interesting to watch this internecine struggle among mostly white progressives to prove who has done more for "the struggle." To be honest, so little has changed that we are having the same conversations on police brutality that I remember having growing up in the 1980s with the same language used around lynching at the turn of the 20th century.
Did Hillary's or Bernie's work on civil rights have an impact? Do they plan to work on civil rights issues as president? How much of an impact can a president have and do they anticipate having on these issues?
They won't do much if anything at all until the white majority believes police brutality, mass incarceration, and other weapons against the black community are no longer useful.
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Kat, I'm inclined to agree with you, but a lot of the bashing is of media coverage rather than Hillary herself.
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You've made good points in relation to the good works of Sanders and Clinton, police brutality, etc. For some who're familiar with Sanders' character and that he doesn't bash there's no need for a reminder, thanks anyway. Won't you please allow those who'd like to discover Sanders, do just that, i.e., educate themselves in their own way, if they choose?
I find any bashing counterproductive, period. I also find it puzzling that you don't mention those who seem to virtually emotionally blackmail Sanders supporters by suggesting that if they don't vote for Clinton if she's nominated, it'll be their fault if a Republican wins the White House in Fall '16.
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I find any bashing counterproductive, period. I also find it puzzling that you don't mention those who seem to virtually emotionally blackmail Sanders supporters by suggesting that if they don't vote for Clinton if she's nominated, it'll be their fault if a Republican wins the White House in Fall '16.
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It's been a long time since America has seen Hillary without both hands in someone else's deep pockets.
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If the only good thing the NYT can write about Hillary is 43 years old, that's not saying much about her as a candidate.
Both top Democratic contenders are older. One of them is slick and power-packaged. The other, Bernie Sanders, speaks on topics and plans relevant for the future of the U.S.
One of the candidates never answers questions directly, or ever commits to one plan...always sidestepping with a, "...we could examine that...", or a, "...yes, that's a good idea...", or even a sort of braying laugh.
The other candidate, Bernie Sanders, always answers directly and honestly. He has progressive plans, and budgets, that will fulfill American hopes and dreams. He has not had to become slick because he has not had to evade the many legal inquiries that his opponant has.
Please write more about Bernie Sanders. He has the youth vote and the popular vote, and has continued to do good work from the beginning of his career to the present.
Both top Democratic contenders are older. One of them is slick and power-packaged. The other, Bernie Sanders, speaks on topics and plans relevant for the future of the U.S.
One of the candidates never answers questions directly, or ever commits to one plan...always sidestepping with a, "...we could examine that...", or a, "...yes, that's a good idea...", or even a sort of braying laugh.
The other candidate, Bernie Sanders, always answers directly and honestly. He has progressive plans, and budgets, that will fulfill American hopes and dreams. He has not had to become slick because he has not had to evade the many legal inquiries that his opponant has.
Please write more about Bernie Sanders. He has the youth vote and the popular vote, and has continued to do good work from the beginning of his career to the present.
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I'm glad the Comments section is still open as I want to share an article I've just run across, an analysis of the Sanders campaign in the New York Review of Books. Like this article about Hillary, it takes a historical perspective, but it is not a puff piece.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/12/23/bernie-sanders-quiet-revolt/
NYT, many of us are criticizing your political coverage, but we applaud this Comments section and the editors who have made it an open (uncensored) forum.
http://www.nybooks.com/daily/2015/12/23/bernie-sanders-quiet-revolt/
NYT, many of us are criticizing your political coverage, but we applaud this Comments section and the editors who have made it an open (uncensored) forum.
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I totally agree with your comment, but as for the Comments section being an "uncensored" forum, I'm sure there is someone (or a few folks) who have the unpleasant job of moderating what gets posted and what gets left out. (By the way, NYT poobahs, this would make a GREAT article)
Just look at the comments at other sites that are obviously uncensored. The NYT comments read like the Encyclopedia Brittanica compared with even the Wall Street Journal. And don't even bother reading the filth on the Fox "News" websites.
I feel sorry for the folks who are having to separate the wheat from the chaff, esp. an article about Hillary and integration. Do they have showers in the NYT newsroom?
Just look at the comments at other sites that are obviously uncensored. The NYT comments read like the Encyclopedia Brittanica compared with even the Wall Street Journal. And don't even bother reading the filth on the Fox "News" websites.
I feel sorry for the folks who are having to separate the wheat from the chaff, esp. an article about Hillary and integration. Do they have showers in the NYT newsroom?
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But another accomplishment added to Hillary's CV. Her qualifications for President though quite extraordinary to begin with, this feat magnificently adds another arrow to her already full quiver. She will make an excellent President.
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“I don’t believe you change hearts,” she told them. “I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate.”
Absolutely.
It would be good for voters to remember that these kinds of experiences among young people make deep, lifelong impressions on how they conduct themselves in later life. Whatever else she may be accused of, Hillary Clinton has always worked on behalf of the disadvantaged.
Absolutely.
It would be good for voters to remember that these kinds of experiences among young people make deep, lifelong impressions on how they conduct themselves in later life. Whatever else she may be accused of, Hillary Clinton has always worked on behalf of the disadvantaged.
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She's right that you cannot change peoples' hearts, but you can change the law. I live in a small town in north Georgia and I can see what people like Mrs. Clinton have accomplished in their lifetime. So, more power to her and the people like her.
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As a woman born and bred in NY, who moved south in 1974 at the age of 20, it is hysterical that the author of the article is representing the South of 1972 as a place that was dangerous for women, even liberal women. It was about as dangerous as Mrs. Clinton's experience as FLOTUS when she had to run under fire from her plane...to children who were offering her flowers.
She was in much greater danger on the liberal East Coast, or in Chicago. Which today is more racist than the South ever was.
She was in much greater danger on the liberal East Coast, or in Chicago. Which today is more racist than the South ever was.
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It was dangerous to people trying to upset the segregated status quo, people like Andrew Goodman, Michael Schwerner and Viola Liuzzo. I'm sure that even short of out and out murder, Southern racists could make things extremely uncomfortable.
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Today, the public schools in NYC are more segregated than in Alabama, and the locals have a fit if the school district tries to move an enrollment boundary two blocks because "those people" will be attending school with my children. There is no hypocrite like an East Coast Liberal.
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As a woman who has arrived at a biblical fourscore, my gratitude to the NYT for finally publishing something about Hillary Clinton which squares with my admiration and support of this woman. She has been fighting for decades for things that I believe in: women's rights, equal rights, universal health insurance, to mention a few. Younger readers cannot appreciate how roundly she has been attacked in the media since she entered the national scene or how much this experience has caused her to become what she is: extremely knowledgeable when required, but otherwise wooden and reticent. Many attack her for voting for the Iraq war while conveniently forgetting that she was the senator from New York, a state in which a nay vote would have registered as a pro vote for Sadam and his scuds (these same people are willing to overlook her rival's support of gun rights since he is from a 'green state'). This is another contribution, together with my tears while reading this article or my despair at what is happening in America, fit for the NYT round file. Please don't ask why I keep writing---chalk it up to Alzheimer bile.
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“But in a minute, it was over,” he said of the effort to combat such schools. “And the well-intentioned work Hillary described was no match for the absolute insistence of millions of Southern whites that their kids never go to school with black kids.”
How startlingly similar it is to the current segregation fostered by charter schools, which attract and select the children of racially and ethnically diverse parents of "middle-class" socio-economic status who do not want their children in classrooms of "lower socio-economic" and special needs students. And government has given such schools the usual tax-exempt pass and encouragement to do it.
How startlingly similar it is to the current segregation fostered by charter schools, which attract and select the children of racially and ethnically diverse parents of "middle-class" socio-economic status who do not want their children in classrooms of "lower socio-economic" and special needs students. And government has given such schools the usual tax-exempt pass and encouragement to do it.
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Friends,
HRC was being modest in her book about her actions at a time when it was truly dangerous, even for a woman, to do undercover civil rights research in the eye of the storm, (MS, AL, GA & LA). Hillary went into the heart of that fiery pit and came out a much better and tested human being.
The paid (and professional) writers for the GOP are attacking Hillary at every opportunity, even here on NYTimes Comments. They are using every divisive trick in the book to divide us and keep HRC from getting the nomination or to weaken us. I PLEAD with you, do NOT allow them to do another Florida 2000 steal of this coming election.
Now, my writing is not as persuasive as theirs as I am NOT a trained pro but I have paid my dues, from FL to west TX, even to Chicago and Idaho. If you recognize authenticity, you will recognize that my writing has that irreplaceable quality called the "TRUTH". The Kochs, Addelsons, Fox and company say you can be bought, fooled or just plain bamboozled, do not prove them right. They are spending over a $1Billion to buy this election so that they can silence us telling the TRUTH forever! Give Mr. Sanders his props but come election day, give the US the BEST candidate up for the Office of President, HILLARY CLINTON! No one in history comes close to her diverse experience at getting ready for the job and representing a majority that has ALWAYS been made second, WOMEN! I am Not a woman but I fully support women rights. It is now a time for WOMEN. Thanks!
HRC was being modest in her book about her actions at a time when it was truly dangerous, even for a woman, to do undercover civil rights research in the eye of the storm, (MS, AL, GA & LA). Hillary went into the heart of that fiery pit and came out a much better and tested human being.
The paid (and professional) writers for the GOP are attacking Hillary at every opportunity, even here on NYTimes Comments. They are using every divisive trick in the book to divide us and keep HRC from getting the nomination or to weaken us. I PLEAD with you, do NOT allow them to do another Florida 2000 steal of this coming election.
Now, my writing is not as persuasive as theirs as I am NOT a trained pro but I have paid my dues, from FL to west TX, even to Chicago and Idaho. If you recognize authenticity, you will recognize that my writing has that irreplaceable quality called the "TRUTH". The Kochs, Addelsons, Fox and company say you can be bought, fooled or just plain bamboozled, do not prove them right. They are spending over a $1Billion to buy this election so that they can silence us telling the TRUTH forever! Give Mr. Sanders his props but come election day, give the US the BEST candidate up for the Office of President, HILLARY CLINTON! No one in history comes close to her diverse experience at getting ready for the job and representing a majority that has ALWAYS been made second, WOMEN! I am Not a woman but I fully support women rights. It is now a time for WOMEN. Thanks!
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Ah, I see The Times is all in for Hill, to help burnish her civil rights credentials. And not a word here about her association to Saul Alinsky and his extreme and subversive "Rules for Radicals," Mrs. Clinton's bedtime reading and the subject of an undergraduate paper.
I have always thought that these white civil rights "testers" despicable, and this just confirms it.
I have always thought that these white civil rights "testers" despicable, and this just confirms it.
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What do you actually know, or understand about Saul Alinsky. Do you think perhaps Alinsky was empowering the powerless, with methodologies for leveling the playing field against the powerful entrenched interests. Since you bring it up, I hope the kind of work that can be done using Alinsky methods, will lead to the people working together and undermining the systemized injustice of our current fascistic-oligarchist plutocracy. It is no surprise ACORN became public enemy number 1, and methodically dismantled using the current system of an antidemocratic fascistic media. You cannot have the powerless organized expressly to be formidable advocates for their rights, now, can you?
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You thought the people trying to undo segregation were "despicable?" I guess logically you must have admired the segregationists?
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It's a relief to no longer have "bigoted segregationists!"
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In North Carolina the same excluding impulse of parents is now manifest in our charter schools.
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How might such an excluding school be organized? Let's see - no transportation to/from school; no after-school care; no on-site meal preparation. That's a good start.
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- So your child needs subsidized breakfast/lunch support?
- Your child needs transportation to/from school?
- You're a single parent needing after school care?
. Oh - that makes me sad - we just wish we could help you but ...
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It's so easy to create organizational barriers to exclude poor kids with their host of challenges, socialization problems, language misuse, delayed learning issues, etc. And that's not to mention the rigging of the "admissions-lottery" that many allege occurs to favor those parents coming with large financial gifts or vague promises of free professional services (counseling, nursing, teaching, etc).
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We now focus on and give praise to the caring, involved, community-focused efforts of upscale families to provide the best education for their kids. No one seems to even acknowledge the fact that actively conspiring to exclude from these upscale charter schools the poor inner-city black kids causes problems for the broader community.
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So do these charter schools promote a new generation of segregation/exclusion to benefit white upscale families with a net effect similar to the "white academies" of the 1960s/1970s?
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In North Carolina the same excluding impulse of parents is now manifest in our charter schools.
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How might such an excluding school be organized? Let's see - no transportation to/from school; no after-school care; no on-site meal preparation. That's a good start.
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- So your child needs subsidized breakfast/lunch support?
- Your child needs transportation to/from school?
- You're a single parent needing after school care?
. Oh - that makes me sad - we just wish we could help you but ...
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It's so easy to create organizational barriers to exclude poor kids with their host of challenges, socialization problems, language misuse, delayed learning issues, etc. And that's not to mention the rigging of the "admissions-lottery" that many allege occurs to favor those parents coming with large financial gifts or vague promises of free professional services (counseling, nursing, teaching, etc).
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We now focus on and give praise to the caring, involved, community-focused efforts of upscale families to provide the best education for their kids. No one seems to even acknowledge the fact that actively conspiring to exclude from these upscale charter schools the poor inner-city black kids causes problems for the broader community.
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So do these charter schools promote a new generation of segregation/exclusion to benefit white upscale families with a net effect similar to the "white academies" of the 1960s/1970s?
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After reading some of these outrageous vitriolic attacks on Mrs. Clinton all I can say is we get the government we deserve. Why is their so little perspective with regard to this insightful and little known act of civil rights activism the article sheds light on. The piece exemplifies her commitment to make the nation a better place well before the klieg lights of political stardom made her fodder for the contrary and crackpot. Talk about the dumb-downing of America! Unfortunately much dissent has to do with the insecurities of white male privilege reacting to fears of her succeeding. While misplaced or irrational anger and ignorance fuel others. No wonder voting rolls are down. Few can visualize the Big Picture.
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Hillary is ahead in the national polls, yet most of the comments here are negative. I suspect GOP trolls are hard at work here. Most Democrats will vote for whomever gets the nomination.
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That is my suspicion as well....
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It is said, behind the success of every man, there is a woman. It is true in the case of Mr.Bill Clinton too. Mr.Obama maybe America's first Afro American President. But Mr.Bill Clinton is regarded as America's first Black President by one and all, because of his true love and close association with Afro Americans. But for the support and open minded nature of Ms.Hillay Clinton, Mr.Bill Clinton would not have been so successful in his career and also as a human being. (Let's forget Monica Lewinsky affair, as no one is perfect in all sense).
Ms.Clinton deserves praise for all the good work she has done for the Afro Americans, right from her college days. The basic fact only the color of the skin varies from region to region and apart from that all instincts are the same for all human beings and the fact that all are equal, is not appreciated by everyone. If only this fact is appreciated, there would be no racism or segregation. Hope this fact is taught in schools, more vigorously, than before.
Ms.Clinton deserves praise for all the good work she has done for the Afro Americans, right from her college days. The basic fact only the color of the skin varies from region to region and apart from that all instincts are the same for all human beings and the fact that all are equal, is not appreciated by everyone. If only this fact is appreciated, there would be no racism or segregation. Hope this fact is taught in schools, more vigorously, than before.
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I didn't know this about Clinton and it's good to see an in-depth dive of her life and the events that have shaped it. When she ran for the Senate in 2000, she was regarded with suspicion--people thought it was just for show, but her colleagues routinely said she put her head down and worked hard--it's pretty evident that that's why she enjoys the immense support of her former colleagues in Congress in her current campaign. Personally, I think the suspicion was ill-founded; after all, she did take on healthcare--nothing about that was ceremonial.
When her attempt to get healthcare failed, she turned it around and worked to get children SCHIPS. As First Lady of Arkansas, she founded a commission that enhanced education for schoolchildren. What I've noticed about her is that she just does the work and doesn't ask for accolades; maybe it's a Midwestern thing. People who say she has no accomplishments don't see her quiet determination to use her platform to do things for other people. It's the reason Bernie Sanders said she had a big role in redefining what First Ladies do, but I think she was just following the example of Eleanor Roosevelt, who used her power to try and lift others up.
Readers have been asking for more in-depth reporting and I'm very glad this didn't focus on the superficial. I hope as this campaign continues, we'll see more about the candidates, what their legislative histories have been and expert appraisals of their proposals.
When her attempt to get healthcare failed, she turned it around and worked to get children SCHIPS. As First Lady of Arkansas, she founded a commission that enhanced education for schoolchildren. What I've noticed about her is that she just does the work and doesn't ask for accolades; maybe it's a Midwestern thing. People who say she has no accomplishments don't see her quiet determination to use her platform to do things for other people. It's the reason Bernie Sanders said she had a big role in redefining what First Ladies do, but I think she was just following the example of Eleanor Roosevelt, who used her power to try and lift others up.
Readers have been asking for more in-depth reporting and I'm very glad this didn't focus on the superficial. I hope as this campaign continues, we'll see more about the candidates, what their legislative histories have been and expert appraisals of their proposals.
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I still read the comments section on the NY Times, but all too often it's becoming ridiculous. Bernie Sanders stands for a lot of great things, but this does not make Hillary deserving of the frankly idiotic vitriol I read here every time she is mentioned. And as for this belief that Bernie is a saviour, he's the best route to a Republican president starting January 2017. Even if he were elected, a US president cannot rule by fiat, so don't count on any of his admirable goals coming into being.
Finally, stop referring to the 99% as though you alone are representative of it. And as if the top 1% votes as a single bloc and needs to be demonized. I am in the 99% (probably in an even more exclusive club, the bottom 50%), and I don't share all of your views. Instead, I just want to scream at the redundant Bernie pushers, YOU LIVE IN A BUBBLE!
Finally, stop referring to the 99% as though you alone are representative of it. And as if the top 1% votes as a single bloc and needs to be demonized. I am in the 99% (probably in an even more exclusive club, the bottom 50%), and I don't share all of your views. Instead, I just want to scream at the redundant Bernie pushers, YOU LIVE IN A BUBBLE!
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"Instead, I just to scream that the redundant Bernie pushers, YOU LIVE IN A BUBBLE!"
And, you refer to the comments of Sanders supporters as "idiotic vitriol"?
And, you refer to the comments of Sanders supporters as "idiotic vitriol"?
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How about an article about the past endeavors and achievements of Bernie Sanders? We know too much about Hillary Clinton's to care about what she did more than 40 years ago.
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Several great articles about Bernie, his move to VT, his political achievements, his positions, etc have been run in the NYT.
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I think the NYT could do an investigative piece about the "readers" who take to its comments sections with endless vitriol about the paper's viewpoints.
Most news outlets have some political inclination - is that something people are unaware of, or feel is dishonest? We find which outlets have the kinds of reportage we're looking for and go to them for news. Reading the opposition is fine, even smart - but trying to talk it out of being what it fundamentally is seems more than pointless.
Here we have all these "readers" wasting their time with a newspaper they wholeheartedly disagree with. Differing perspectives are expected, welcomed - but diametric opposition, sneering and smug? It's like going to a basketball game and heckling the players about football being a better sport. Makes no sense.
Most news outlets have some political inclination - is that something people are unaware of, or feel is dishonest? We find which outlets have the kinds of reportage we're looking for and go to them for news. Reading the opposition is fine, even smart - but trying to talk it out of being what it fundamentally is seems more than pointless.
Here we have all these "readers" wasting their time with a newspaper they wholeheartedly disagree with. Differing perspectives are expected, welcomed - but diametric opposition, sneering and smug? It's like going to a basketball game and heckling the players about football being a better sport. Makes no sense.
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James, the mission of a newspaper is to report, not to take a stand.
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James - "Most news outlets have some political inclination - is that something people are unaware of, or feel is dishonest?"
There is a bright red line between "some political inclination" and downright political propaganda. Propaganda in opinion pieces is to be expected but political partisanship in reporting the news is not. Especially not in such a respected news outlet as the NYT.
As to the sneering and smugness, one doesn't have to be in the "diametric opposition" group to read that, just look at the Bernie v. Hillary comments.
There is a bright red line between "some political inclination" and downright political propaganda. Propaganda in opinion pieces is to be expected but political partisanship in reporting the news is not. Especially not in such a respected news outlet as the NYT.
As to the sneering and smugness, one doesn't have to be in the "diametric opposition" group to read that, just look at the Bernie v. Hillary comments.
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We still read the arts, books, and theater sections. We get to respond in comments to the switching methodologies at work, to sway the masses. That resistance to the corporate flow is churning up we naysayers, who no longer buy in to doing what we are told, or what is expected of us. Vote party line? Our civil society no longer has the luxury to entertain all that nonsense.
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What did Mrs. Clinton learn over the next two decades that then caused her to send her daughter Chelsea to Sidwell Friends School in Washington DC rather than to a black majority public school?
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Re: Mr. Sailer's question about Clintons choice of Sidwell over DC public schools...same reasons the Obamas send their daughters to Sidwell, which are: (1) world class education, and (2) world class security. Even if the public school educational opportunities were equal, which they could be, security would tilt in favor of a private school for president's kids. But Mr. Sailer's larger point remains...the Patrician class will continue to self-segregate as a necessary means of self-preservation.
I like Hillary. Imagine, you did a lot of awful, dirty, criminal, low, shameless things in you life. Everybody knows it. Everybody wants you to disappear. Everybody wants to hit you. You are old, and you have to endure all these attacks every single day. But you are still standing, you are still fighting. How can you not like such a person?
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When the next US pres settles in the White House threats that can destabilize regions and badly affect the World most probably still linger.Hence, National Sec matters will still be one of the paramount priorities for the Pres to deal with. Such task needs ingenious mix of Diplomacy, Muscle and Intel.So, one who tasted some cland work needs understands what sacrifice and support the assignment requires.When, as it is likely, Trump became the Republican nominee the world series for the US presidency will be the flashy, very self promoting exhibitionist Vs the disciplined, restrained (when the circumstance demands it ) and a one time volunteer " CIA " type. Besides, if God forbid a Hurricane Catrina type Catastrophe visits the main land who makes the most sober voice of the Nation and springs up as a calming presence?, DT with all those unpleasant things he said about this or that woman reappearing in the audiences memory or the usually serene HRC?. Come Nov?16 or even before the Q the US public faces will remain who do you choose?.TMD,for some 21 yrs Math Doc St + Academic at Rutg + SUNYA and since 06 Math Acad + Ind Math Researcher here.
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It is too bad that Mrs. Clinton did not learn enough after this experience to move forward for fighting unfair practices in all areas of our country's life. She and her husband focused their lives on gaining importance and financial success among the power elite, ignoring the foundation problems in our system.
She has stated that she will consult her husband about financial affairs based on his presidential decisions which sent a chill up my spine.
They had the chance to make needed change during Bill Clinton's administration but many of our present woes are due to his deregulations in the banking system, and in many other areas that were handled with destructive results.
Hillary in office will move far away from her early attempts at idealism.
She has stated that she will consult her husband about financial affairs based on his presidential decisions which sent a chill up my spine.
They had the chance to make needed change during Bill Clinton's administration but many of our present woes are due to his deregulations in the banking system, and in many other areas that were handled with destructive results.
Hillary in office will move far away from her early attempts at idealism.
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As a Sanders supporter, I write negative comments on HRC articles because of the gross imbalance in coverage between Secretary Clinton and Senator Sanders.
If The Times were allocating one tenth as much space to the Senator as it does to Mrs. Clinton, it would be serving its readers -- and itself -- much better than its current policy of virtually ignoring Sanders, except for the recent dustup with the DNC.
As a Democrat, I believe in creating a level playing field for everyone. And The Times is not providing that. It isn't even trying.
This makes me question the values of The Times itself.
It also helps me understand more than ever how powerless and angry minorities must feel every day of their lives. We Sanders supporters believe his message is important for the future of our country. We believe the future of democracy is at stake. And we and the Senator are being ignored or told we're being impractical.
Martin Luther King, Jr. was told he was impractical when he fought for economic justice, too.
Is it acceptable to give women and blacks the vote, but going too far to seek economic justice for all? Does The Times want the 1%, the military-industrial complex, Big Pharma, et al to continue to control the country?
For thoughtful opinion, here is Bill Moyers' piece from the Huffington Post.
Will The Times print anything by this sage?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/the-plutocrats-are-winnin_b_88...
If The Times were allocating one tenth as much space to the Senator as it does to Mrs. Clinton, it would be serving its readers -- and itself -- much better than its current policy of virtually ignoring Sanders, except for the recent dustup with the DNC.
As a Democrat, I believe in creating a level playing field for everyone. And The Times is not providing that. It isn't even trying.
This makes me question the values of The Times itself.
It also helps me understand more than ever how powerless and angry minorities must feel every day of their lives. We Sanders supporters believe his message is important for the future of our country. We believe the future of democracy is at stake. And we and the Senator are being ignored or told we're being impractical.
Martin Luther King, Jr. was told he was impractical when he fought for economic justice, too.
Is it acceptable to give women and blacks the vote, but going too far to seek economic justice for all? Does The Times want the 1%, the military-industrial complex, Big Pharma, et al to continue to control the country?
For thoughtful opinion, here is Bill Moyers' piece from the Huffington Post.
Will The Times print anything by this sage?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bill-moyers/the-plutocrats-are-winnin_b_88...
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Not really, Sanders is covered by NYT pretty well! Now, be aware that HRC also gets negative coverage in NYT.
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Mrs.Clinton did something to explore "segregation" in the south! The case is that segregation is still there! look at the country clubs,golf courses and tennis courts-is predominantly white!!
What about the churches!? talk about segregation!! Is still there!!-the inner city is where latinos and african-americans live and the suburbs where white and asians live!! You can't hide the truth!!
What about the churches!? talk about segregation!! Is still there!!-the inner city is where latinos and african-americans live and the suburbs where white and asians live!! You can't hide the truth!!
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Thank you for this article. Good to know that Hillary's prevarications go way back. The Benghazi lies must have seemed natural to her.
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Please name one Benghazi lie
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Love that photo of Bill and Hillary at Yale. Two future presidents. Would the photographer ever have suspected?
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Jeez, another campaign piece for Hillary from the Times..
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This sounds more like a fawning political advertisement than a news story. I'm not at all impressed that Ms. Clinton spent 10 minutes "undercover" at some school gathering data. I spent 1972 rescuing shot down US pilots and desperately fighting to keep the South Vietnamese from getting overrun by a North Vietnamese army riding hundreds of Soviet-supplied tanks that people like the Clintons were pretending didn't exist. I do not want to hear about the "heroism" of Bill or Hillary Clinton any more than I want to hear it from Trump.
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Sorry that your work did little good
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Good for you, Jim. Are you suggesting that Secretary Clinton should have enlisted? Or do you really want to re-fight whether the US had any business in Southeast Asia?
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Oh my, a "puff piece" people exclaim, dripping with facts, how novel! Say or think what you want, I believe HRC's effort was a noble act amongst the many acts of others striving for justice.
Her opposition, the double-standard duo, Cruz and Rubio only like Presidential Executive Orders that favor Cuban immigrants. In fact, Cruz and Rubio trot out this hagiography that ignores the very government largesse still in existence, chiefly for Cuban immigrants that provides, housing, food, and education and a Green Card in a year.
People still make snarky comments about President Obama's "community organizer" label but he's walloped both Bush records across the spectrum.
Her opposition, the double-standard duo, Cruz and Rubio only like Presidential Executive Orders that favor Cuban immigrants. In fact, Cruz and Rubio trot out this hagiography that ignores the very government largesse still in existence, chiefly for Cuban immigrants that provides, housing, food, and education and a Green Card in a year.
People still make snarky comments about President Obama's "community organizer" label but he's walloped both Bush records across the spectrum.
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To all those who belittle the NYT for publishing this story.
How about this headline. How Donald Trump became famous on a TV show where his job was to say "Your fired".
Or How Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio placated the HRC by dissing immigrants though they themselves personally benefited from open immigration.
How about this headline. How Donald Trump became famous on a TV show where his job was to say "Your fired".
Or How Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio placated the HRC by dissing immigrants though they themselves personally benefited from open immigration.
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Donald Trump has been an iconic name and best selling author for decades way before the success of "The Apprentice".
And about Cruz and Rubio...open immigration and illegal immigration are not synomonous.
And about Cruz and Rubio...open immigration and illegal immigration are not synomonous.
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I've given more money to Bernie than to any candidate in my life, but I don't buy the need to tear down Hillary to build up Bernie. Why do the GOP's dirty work for them? (Yes, I get it that negative attacks work. Nevertheless).
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Vitriol against Hillary Clinton on this comment section is palpable. As a politician Hillary Clinton is way more trustworthy than any conservative politician.
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Interesting how she went undercover on this, tried to join the Marines, all those other things and we never heard about them until now. Just a mishmash of insipid lies and you people believe it. Sad.
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Stating something is a lie is so simple.
When will you back up this claim with facts?
When will you back up this claim with facts?
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It is obvious how a lot of these prep schools, and Ivy League college, many of them tax free, exclude African Americans by taking in Africans, Asians, Latinos and "others" using the bogus excuse of being a "global" school. Really? There is nothing global about having no or few African Americans in a school when the national percentage is nearly 10% and some local whitiified private schools exist in areas where the local black population is nearly 50%! Africans are NOT African Americans. Blacks in the US have been VICTIMS of slavery for hundreds of years, Jim Crow in the Durty South, since the Civil War, and now everyday race hating and denying. We do owe black folks equal access to the best education, if we are not going to provide them with financial reparations for the evil we have put upon so many generations of black folk. Evil. Stop stuffing the numbers with fake students who are NOT African Americans. Our schools can only be global if the percentage of African Americans are represented in the national and local population. Anything else is just another form of lying , and racism.
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We have given 50 years of affirmative action -- time to end it. And foreign students tend to have much higher test scores than African Americans AND pay full tuition. Equal access should mean an equal competition but not necessarily equal outcomes.
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its that full tuition bit that americans love
I'm sure that African American kids in Chicago public schools get the same educational opportunities as the white kids, so everything should be equal.
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Hillary just wants to ensure that middle class white kids have to attend mixed schools. For herself of course it is not for her or Chelsea.
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Upstairs, downstairs.
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Hillary Clinton attended public schools as a child, and Chelsea attended public schools until Bill Clinton was elected President. At that point, Chelsea had been ridiculed by Rush Limbaugh and other right-wing talk show hosts, and Chelsea was placed in a private school in large part because it would shield her from the press.
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Is attending a mixed school some sort of punishment?
This type of Civil Rights work was risky. Just ask the families of the 3 that went to Philadelphia, Mississippi to register voters. They were soon buried.
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I struggled to find photos of black students at Houston Academy's website.
I remember the mid-1970s in Los Angeles, when busing black kids into white suburbs caused a political upheaval. It was the single most important issue is most white communities and I'm convinced it hugely helped elect Ronald Reagan and later Bush 41.
Update: The high school I attended used to be mostly white and middle class. A lot of the parents were engineers and many of the kids were high achievers. This school sent more kids to Caltech than any other high school in the US. Now the school is 80 percent Latino and has very low achievement scores. White parents with money in LA send their kids to private schools and contribute to Hillary's campaign. Go figure.
I remember the mid-1970s in Los Angeles, when busing black kids into white suburbs caused a political upheaval. It was the single most important issue is most white communities and I'm convinced it hugely helped elect Ronald Reagan and later Bush 41.
Update: The high school I attended used to be mostly white and middle class. A lot of the parents were engineers and many of the kids were high achievers. This school sent more kids to Caltech than any other high school in the US. Now the school is 80 percent Latino and has very low achievement scores. White parents with money in LA send their kids to private schools and contribute to Hillary's campaign. Go figure.
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Similar to my high school. Used to be white, lots of the fathers of the students were scientists, and we sent lots to fine universities. Granted university admission has gotten tougher now, but also the school has changed color and its no longer anything like what it was academically, now it is not special. I guess the smarter kids go to private schools now.
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The introduction of busing into Los Angeles in the late 1970s wiped out the local Jewish tradition of sending kids to public schools. There are now numerous Jewish private schools in Los Angeles that came into existence for white flight reasons.
Here's a question: Would Hillary Clinton ever boast of having fought against the founding of Jewish private schools? If not, what exactly is the difference in priniciple between white flight schools in Alabama and white flight schools in West L.A.?
Here's a question: Would Hillary Clinton ever boast of having fought against the founding of Jewish private schools? If not, what exactly is the difference in priniciple between white flight schools in Alabama and white flight schools in West L.A.?
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"I struggled to find photos of black students at Houston Academy's website."
Struggled?
Take a peek at the school website:http://www.houstonacademy.com/
Struggled?
Take a peek at the school website:http://www.houstonacademy.com/
Common sense goes a long way but those who have the most education seem to be running the financial system, the government, the education system, and the justice system. How is that working out for our society? Not at all! We are overweight, unhealthy, ignorant, violent, in debt up to our ears, and have overpopulated ourselves into consumer driven pollution! The human animal is not doing that well for the most part, and the over educated from Columbia, Yale, and Harvard, will not put it all back together must to the surprise of those who believe they can do so.
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Chozick writes: "Mrs. Clinton worked at a law firm in Oakland, mostly writing legal briefs in a child custody case..."
Both Hillary and Chozick seem ashamed or afraid to name the law firm. It was led by the prominent radical Bob Treuhaft, husband of Jessica Mitford, known for his defense of labor, radicals and other minorities. He should be credited and acknowledged rather than hidden and ignored.
Both Hillary and Chozick seem ashamed or afraid to name the law firm. It was led by the prominent radical Bob Treuhaft, husband of Jessica Mitford, known for his defense of labor, radicals and other minorities. He should be credited and acknowledged rather than hidden and ignored.
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The only radicals in this country have been right wing radicals....
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Such as Dr. King, the Berrigan brothers, Dorothy Day, et al.?
Glad someone picked up on that. Treuhaft was quoted in one bio of Hillary as saying that the firm was a "Communist" law firm and Hillary knew that. Nice work, Times, cleaning up the narrative.....
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The amount of puffing hot air in this article alone, is enough to explain the unusually warm weather we're having.
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Try to imagine Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Rick Santorum, Jeb Bush, or any of the other Republicans actually taking action -- any kind of action -- to help a civil rights movement and to advance equality in the 1970's. Try hard.
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Maybe because it makes a good point.
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What exactly did she accomplish? Try to come up with one accomplishment. The school she alleges was discriminating is still in operation.
Could it be that the reason the "white academies" were established was because the desegregation orders in the South required 45 minute bus rides for the children? Meanwhile, places like Long Island had higher levels of segregation that was ignored by the federal government. To this day, Long Island schools are segregated and no federal intervention seems required. And no 45 minute bus ride would be required to effect integration.
Could it be that the reason the "white academies" were established was because the desegregation orders in the South required 45 minute bus rides for the children? Meanwhile, places like Long Island had higher levels of segregation that was ignored by the federal government. To this day, Long Island schools are segregated and no federal intervention seems required. And no 45 minute bus ride would be required to effect integration.
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Past performance is no guarantee of future behavior, especially when there are 43 intervening years of untrustworthy behavior. This article is a waste of space.
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At this point I don't care who wins the election. They are all the same self-serving people in the end. Politicians are just tools of their masters, the corporations and banks. I just saw "The Big Short" and it again reminded me how none of the CEOs of the banks and financial institutions went to jail. George W. and Obama both were in favor of bailing out their buddies.
Goldman Sachs through its alums in the government runs this country. Always remember that Paulson threw up Bear and Lehman as sacrificial lambs, but bailed out Goldman's toxic loans. Goldman should also have been allowed to go bankrupt.
Goldman Sachs through its alums in the government runs this country. Always remember that Paulson threw up Bear and Lehman as sacrificial lambs, but bailed out Goldman's toxic loans. Goldman should also have been allowed to go bankrupt.
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Bernie Sanders is not the same. Isn't it obvious?!
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Before one imagines that Hillary Clinton has done more for African-Americans than Senator Sanders, we should read Simon Head's NYRB essay, at least this part: "In fact, Sanders was chair of CORE’s (Congress on Racial Equality) social action committee at the university at a time when the organization, advised by Alinsky, was leading the campaign against segregation in Chicago schools and housing. CORE and its student supporters were fighting the university itself, which upheld segregation through a policy of purchasing vacant homes in its neighborhood to prevent them from being purchased by African Americans. In 1962, Sanders organized a sit-in at the president’s office to protest the university housing policies; the following year, he was arrested while demonstrating against segregation in the Chicago schools."
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If only we could get this information out to African American voters. But it's not going to be printed in The Times under its current management.
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Terrific story, inspiring.
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Thank you Nancy. Anyone who has been significantly involved in the struggle for civil rights in the last half-century should read and learn from it.
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That's a joke, right?
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I'll say it.
I never thought I would, but I just can't take it anymore. I am willing to shoulder that burden and carry that cross. Someone has to do it. "In a place of no men, rise and be a man."
Here goes (deep breath):
I, the undersigned, am willing to go back to talking about Cait, then hear another word of HRC propaganda.
May the Lord have mercy on my miserable soul.
I never thought I would, but I just can't take it anymore. I am willing to shoulder that burden and carry that cross. Someone has to do it. "In a place of no men, rise and be a man."
Here goes (deep breath):
I, the undersigned, am willing to go back to talking about Cait, then hear another word of HRC propaganda.
May the Lord have mercy on my miserable soul.
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By putting out "articles" like this, this paper unintentionally triggers a gag reflex associated with Mrs. Clinton. She went "undercover" - as who, exactly?
Next, we can expect a piece on Bill Clinton going "undercover" to expose sexual harassment and predatory, crass behavior toward women. Oh, wait. Both Clintons worked on that...
Next, we can expect a piece on Bill Clinton going "undercover" to expose sexual harassment and predatory, crass behavior toward women. Oh, wait. Both Clintons worked on that...
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@Bravo
Did you read the article, or do you want to know what (irrelevant) name she used undercover? Why is there a gag reflex, you don't want facts about the candidates? Advice: don't read something if it's going to make you sick.
Did you read the article, or do you want to know what (irrelevant) name she used undercover? Why is there a gag reflex, you don't want facts about the candidates? Advice: don't read something if it's going to make you sick.
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I applaud the New York Times for having the courage to make its readers aware of this forgotten and significant chapter in the American civil rights struggle.
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Huh. I might have voted for 1972 Hil. I definitely won't be voting for the thing she has become since. A vote for Hil is a vote for corporate/bank-owned federal government status quo - and for an idiot who appears to be loaded up on pharmaceutical happy pills, judging by her debate appearances. Wow.
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The title led me to expect much, much more. If this pro Civil Rights act makes Hillary Clinton Presidential I eagery await the announcement that the Times endorses Bernie Sanders for his participation in the Civil Rights Movement.
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To those readers commenting here that this is a puff piece for Hillary, you are very seriously mistaken. It seems like a puff piece simply because Amy Chozick, the Times reporter focused on Hillary, has hardly ever printed anything about Hillary that was not primarily negative.
Op ed columnists of the Times and the editorial writers of the Times have hardly ever printed anything that was positive about Hillary. This is one of the few things published in the Times about Bill or Hillary in the past 15 years that has very little that is negative to say about her.
Op ed columnists of the Times and the editorial writers of the Times have hardly ever printed anything that was positive about Hillary. This is one of the few things published in the Times about Bill or Hillary in the past 15 years that has very little that is negative to say about her.
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Surely you jest. The Times' news coverage of the 2016 Democratic presidential race has (with the exception of the e-mail coverage) devolved largely into a pro-Clinton love fest. Clinton has been covered exhaustively, Sanders minimally and O'Malley virtually not at all.
The bias of the Times' news pages is appalling and contravenes the standards of good journalism.
If readers seem irate, it is because they have been protesting this bias since the summer of 2015 to no result.
The bias of the Times' news pages is appalling and contravenes the standards of good journalism.
If readers seem irate, it is because they have been protesting this bias since the summer of 2015 to no result.
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Most of the claims of "bias" have come from Bernie Sander's supporters or Republicans claiming to be Bernie supporters. It's true that the Times has written more about Clinton than Sanders. Most of what was written was either very negative (the email "scandal", etc.), had a negative tilt, or was a back-handed compliment. I don't remember any negative stories about Bernie Sanders. In fact, Republicans don't even criticize Bernie, while they blast Hillary at every opportunity because they want him to get the nomination.
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The Clintons started off wanting better for people. Unfortunately, they became elitists financially supported and bought by big-money all over the world. Power corrupts and they fell to the corruption. Meh!
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Who the hell footed the bill for these white protectionist institutions? Where in the hell did all of the money come from? How on earth could this extremely unjust system stayed secret and kept out if political debate?
If any white person ever ask why minority schools are so ineffective, they are probably an anti-minority terrorist.
If any white person ever ask why minority schools are so ineffective, they are probably an anti-minority terrorist.
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There was nothing secret about it. I never lived in the South, but the emergence of these segregated schools was widely noticed in the media. The fact is that most white people, at that time, thought it was perfectly OK to send your kids to white-only private schools, even if they agreed with Brown v. Board of Education as regards public schools. That was "freedom," just as now bigots think it's "freedom" to refuse service to gays.
As for the money, these segregated private schools were funded, apart from tuition, by the local white establishments -- churches, businessmen, neighborhood associations and, of course, they were tax-exempt.
It takes a real effort to remember how it was in those days -- the 70's -- because conservatives have re-written history to claim that racial equality was achieved with the legislation of the 60's. But do a little digging about say, bussing for school integration in Boston -- you'll get the picture.
As for the money, these segregated private schools were funded, apart from tuition, by the local white establishments -- churches, businessmen, neighborhood associations and, of course, they were tax-exempt.
It takes a real effort to remember how it was in those days -- the 70's -- because conservatives have re-written history to claim that racial equality was achieved with the legislation of the 60's. But do a little digging about say, bussing for school integration in Boston -- you'll get the picture.
These were tax-exempt organizations and they likely got a good amount of tax-payer support through Byzantine state laws and a supportive Nixon administration willing to turn a blind eye. I would not in the least bit be surprised if the bulk of school funding at this time got shifted from public to private institutions as a response to school integration nationwide. This trend may in fact be the primary reason why public schools are re-segregated and under-funded today.
Mrs Clinton deemed this episode worthy of 300 words in her book. NYT gives it ~2500. To whom is this story more important? One wonders why.
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This story- and that is what it is- a story- just adds to crisis of confidence in the entire American political system and its attend ate and fully owned fourth estate. No one believes the mainstream media anymore on even little things. It spells bad for the future of this "country".
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Good for her. Sadly, I believe that de facto segregation and real segregation, as well as outright racial discrimination, exist to this day. It took guts to do this, and I applaud her for that.
Nixon certainly was never a wholehearted supporter of desegregation, that has been proven many times. Stunning piece of reporting, thank you.
Nixon certainly was never a wholehearted supporter of desegregation, that has been proven many times. Stunning piece of reporting, thank you.
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Again,
While in enrolled in law school Hillary lied to at least one school official about herself and a husband to get hired. No kidding, what a surprise.
While in enrolled in law school Hillary lied to at least one school official about herself and a husband to get hired. No kidding, what a surprise.
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Offering what she did in 1972 for her run in 2015?
It spells EMPTY.
It spells EMPTY.
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Mrs. Clinton had just finished Wellesly Collage an all white school where her folks thought could fit in when she was sent on this trip.
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Since we're reading about ancient history here, why not some more Hillary articles about Travelgate, Vince Foster, her 10,000 percent profit in the 1979 commodity trading, and her association with Saul Alinsky...inquiring minds want to know...
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@TFrank
Just make stuff up about those matters; that's what everybody else has done. You're rather late for that party.
Just make stuff up about those matters; that's what everybody else has done. You're rather late for that party.
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There sure is a lot of speculation and allegations about that school that doesn't seem to have ever been born out by any facts found during that investigation.
Then, of course there is that hyperbole about Hillary's role in righting some wrong, that seems to still be with us, of course in spite of Hillary's heroic 300 word effort.
Then, of course there is that hyperbole about Hillary's role in righting some wrong, that seems to still be with us, of course in spite of Hillary's heroic 300 word effort.
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But is her relentless defense of a man who raped a 12 year old girl gets no notice at all? She achieved a reduced sentence on a chain of evidence technicality and by questioning the credibility of the 12 year old victim. Is this akso not a part of her historical record?
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Ethics require that every lawyer provide the best possible defense to whomever they represent without regard to their own personal opinion or public sentiment. Perhaps you are unaware that John Adams, perhaps the greatest of all American patriots, represented British soldiers on trial in the case of the Boston Massacre. John Adams faithfully represented the British soldiers, not because he approved of the British intervention in Boston, but rather because he was dedicated to the law and the notion that everyone deserved a fair trial.
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This is total drivel. Is someone paying you to write this? Millions of dollars from Wall St. , Benghazi, personal email server. Tell us how it all went so wrong.
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Another NYT puff piece for Hilary! Even with a nice hippie photo of her and Bill. Gag me!
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While Hillary Clinton's efforts to gather facts on racial discrimination in her early law school years during the early 1970s is admirable attempting to portray this incident in some political analog of The Way We Were isn't providing either a complete or contemporaneous perspective of Hillary Clinton of 2015 - 2016.
Somewhere along her pathway she succumbed to the centerist ideology of being progressive in thoughts and words but conservative and co-opted in practice. This irreconcilable dichotomy in Hillary Clinton's history is central to her absymal polling scores on credibility and trust. If the NYTimes really wishes to provide its readers with a balanced view of their home town hostess with the mostest" then their next article should be a comprehensive report on her active support of then President Bill Clinton's federal crime bill which instituted the inequitable three strike rule directly responsible for millions of minorities becoming federal felons for minor drug possession charges.
If the NYTimes wants to tell the story of Hillary Clinton, out of respect for its editorial obligations to its readers, it should tell BOTH sides....
Somewhere along her pathway she succumbed to the centerist ideology of being progressive in thoughts and words but conservative and co-opted in practice. This irreconcilable dichotomy in Hillary Clinton's history is central to her absymal polling scores on credibility and trust. If the NYTimes really wishes to provide its readers with a balanced view of their home town hostess with the mostest" then their next article should be a comprehensive report on her active support of then President Bill Clinton's federal crime bill which instituted the inequitable three strike rule directly responsible for millions of minorities becoming federal felons for minor drug possession charges.
If the NYTimes wants to tell the story of Hillary Clinton, out of respect for its editorial obligations to its readers, it should tell BOTH sides....
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As Mrs. Wright-Edelman and her husband resigned in protest from Mrs. Clinton's husband's administration, because of his policies to "end welfare as we know it," I'd be interested in Mrs. Wright-Edelman's perspective on this story.
One point is in this story stark: schoolbooks and other resources were taken from public schools, where black children went, to give to the segregated "academies."
I conclude it took a long time for white people to pound black people down into their current state of financial and educational deprivation. But the effort was relentless - and the results are visible in the current state of many black youth, where too many young black men act out their hopelessness against each other.
Then white people say - what about the black on black violence?
One point is in this story stark: schoolbooks and other resources were taken from public schools, where black children went, to give to the segregated "academies."
I conclude it took a long time for white people to pound black people down into their current state of financial and educational deprivation. But the effort was relentless - and the results are visible in the current state of many black youth, where too many young black men act out their hopelessness against each other.
Then white people say - what about the black on black violence?
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Young Black men "act out" their hopelessness against each other?
It seems like the very worst sort of racism to rationalize bad behavior in this way. It suggests that you might expect less of Black people than you do of others. There is no excuse for gang activity, shootings, theft and Heroin pushing. None. To suggest that "hopelessness" might be a reason to have compassion for people who lie, steal, kill and intimidate indicates a profound lack of Understanding of the vast majority of Black Americans who are good neighbors, good citizens and good friends.
It seems like the very worst sort of racism to rationalize bad behavior in this way. It suggests that you might expect less of Black people than you do of others. There is no excuse for gang activity, shootings, theft and Heroin pushing. None. To suggest that "hopelessness" might be a reason to have compassion for people who lie, steal, kill and intimidate indicates a profound lack of Understanding of the vast majority of Black Americans who are good neighbors, good citizens and good friends.
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@Concerned Citizen
Check your facts! Mrs. Wright-Edelman was not part of the Clinton administration.
Check your facts! Mrs. Wright-Edelman was not part of the Clinton administration.
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Before the comments section gets shut down for the night, I'd like to commend the commenters here, and the NY Times for allowing people to respond in near real time. This has been a great discussion about politics, the media, and social justice and activism.
Reading the informed responses has been as enlightening as reading the original comments. Let's all hope that with the promised new system, the comments sections will be more like this more often.
Let's hope, too, that the Times reporters and editorial writers take time to read through some of the comments here. They might learn a thing or two from their informed readers.
Reading the informed responses has been as enlightening as reading the original comments. Let's all hope that with the promised new system, the comments sections will be more like this more often.
Let's hope, too, that the Times reporters and editorial writers take time to read through some of the comments here. They might learn a thing or two from their informed readers.
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Yes, the comment I wrote before any were published appeared a few minutes ago the second time around...aren't they wonderful?
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It's obvious that a lot of the anti- HRC comments here are from republicans posting as pro-Bernie democrats.
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In the same way it's obvious that a lot of the pro-HRC comments here are from corporatists posting as pro-HRC democrats.
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I never know if comments like this are serious.
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I agree, Linda.
Particularly comments such as those recommending a protest vote for Trump instead.
There's a huge gap between positions enunciated by the Democrats and those spelled out by Republicans. Obviously, I'd vote for either HRC or Bernie, but I'll even vote for O'Malley before voting for any Republican.
I'm amused by posters who are sufficiently enthused to post dozens of comments on just one article, even threatening to cancel their Times subscription! Who are they kidding? Where else will they vent on HRC?
Particularly comments such as those recommending a protest vote for Trump instead.
There's a huge gap between positions enunciated by the Democrats and those spelled out by Republicans. Obviously, I'd vote for either HRC or Bernie, but I'll even vote for O'Malley before voting for any Republican.
I'm amused by posters who are sufficiently enthused to post dozens of comments on just one article, even threatening to cancel their Times subscription! Who are they kidding? Where else will they vent on HRC?
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Soon, it will be time for our new national leader:
President Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Does anybody really think that any of the moral and mental midgets in the GOP presidential clown car have an actual chance of being elected in 2016?
President Hillary Rodham Clinton.
Does anybody really think that any of the moral and mental midgets in the GOP presidential clown car have an actual chance of being elected in 2016?
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She's a ruler, not a leader.
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Just maybe, Hillary Clinton would best go back to Illinois and help her pall fix the City of Chicago first, then perhaps in ten years or so she can earn a seat on the Supreme Court.
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Maybe she could go undercover in Chicago to root out all the bigotry in the Rahm Emanuel administration.
Or she could give him progressive advice on how to smooth over the mess he is in.
Or she could give him progressive advice on how to smooth over the mess he is in.
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I'm looking forward to your equally-long and in-depth piece on Bernie Sanders and his decades-long work in the civil right movement. If you need ideas for a topic, take a gander at the article linked below. Bernie's been working hard in this area just as long as Hillary, and likely more intensively. Equal time, please, NY Times - you look far too much like the Clinton Times these days.
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/20_examples_of_bernie_sanders_powerful_r...
http://www.salon.com/2015/07/22/20_examples_of_bernie_sanders_powerful_r...
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"I'm looking forward to your equally-long and in-depth piece on Bernie Sanders and his decades-long work in the civil right movement."
Would they describe how he fled from Chicage to a state with a 1.5% African-American population during the heat of the 1960's.
Both Hillary and Sanders will preach up a storm about housing and school segregation. Hillary and Sanders are both "do as I say, not as I do". And grandstanding doesn't count.
Would they describe how he fled from Chicage to a state with a 1.5% African-American population during the heat of the 1960's.
Both Hillary and Sanders will preach up a storm about housing and school segregation. Hillary and Sanders are both "do as I say, not as I do". And grandstanding doesn't count.
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@JP: read the linked article in the original comment and then respond with facts.
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@Anetliner: I read the article. The fact is Sanders chose the safety of Vermont over that of locations like Chicago or Detroit (where I lived). Some at the NY Times refer to that as "White Flight". Would Bernie ever use that expression to describe his actions? When I moved from Detroit to a suburb would he have described my actions as such?
"Being Arrested For Desegregation: As a student at the University of Chicago, Sanders was active in both the Congress on Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC)."
So Sanders plays the urban progressive and then heads for the hills. My family and I lived through the liberal heyday of the 1960's and 1970's in Detroit. You're not going to get the perspective we had by living in Vermont. Vermont, right.
"Being Arrested For Desegregation: As a student at the University of Chicago, Sanders was active in both the Congress on Racial Equality (CORE) and the Student Nonviolent Coordinating Committee (SNCC)."
So Sanders plays the urban progressive and then heads for the hills. My family and I lived through the liberal heyday of the 1960's and 1970's in Detroit. You're not going to get the perspective we had by living in Vermont. Vermont, right.
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What a preposterous proposition-Hillary Goes Undercover! Really? Who knew her at age 24 that she needed to go "undercover". Who cared who she was? Sounds like a CIA adventure, Hillary in disguise, an investigative agent hunting out a top secret bunch of terrorists. I assume she was posing as an Alabama redneck to expose their inner workings- did she acquire an accent?
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Hillary has always been interested in child welfare. She even helped, the ungrateful, Axelrod get his daughter-her special needs met. She'd be an excellent compassionate president.
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I am sure the war orphans and widows in Libya don't agree with your assessment that she would be an excellent compassionate president.
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Of course, and did you hear about she, and Chelsea landing "under fire" in Bosnia?
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What does that have to do with the news story?
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What 'News Story" 40 years ago is not "News"
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22 years in the public spotlight and this is the big lie that proves that Hillary is a liar ?
I'm sure I can pick out five times as many lies from any of the GOP candidates over the last 22 days.
I'm sure I can pick out five times as many lies from any of the GOP candidates over the last 22 days.
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Did she dodge sniper fire as well when she went undercover?
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Obviously a planted piece to augment the NYT candidate. Even so, if Hillary did all that at age 24 she is to be complemented. Now that you have made relevant what Hilary did 35 years ago, I am sure others will find interesting tidbits about her youth, some good , and probably some bad.
What is important however is not who Hillary was when she was 24, but who she is now. Your story quotes Hillary on Hillary, quite an independent source.
What is important however is not who Hillary was when she was 24, but who she is now. Your story quotes Hillary on Hillary, quite an independent source.
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It seems it would be easy to find out more facts to answer questions raised by the story: was the school in fact a slab of concrete or a school when she went there? How does she describe it? What was the outcome of that specific case? Regardless, this whole white woman traveling alone in 1972 narrative is indulgent piffle of the most embarrassing sort -- unless she was "traveling" in, say, a high-crime area in any southern OR northern city. But forget about that. Also, every liberal parent I know goes to great lengths to keep their kids quite segregated from poor youths of any race -- aided in their quest by a deceptive alphabet soup of charters and magnet programs found in and among schools in any big city public school system. This is little different from what those people in Dotham did in response to enforced desegregation, only liberals today are given official narrative cover for their desire to practice segregation for their own kids. I know many liberal parents, and not one of them in an urban system sent their kids to the nearest public school unless they lived in a pristinely elite zip code.
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Wow, she had to go undercover in state of Alabama when it was already prevalent in the city of Chicago. "Clinton, nothing you do will make me a fool and vote for you."
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I, david orenbaun, support hillary clinton. My life life has been rougher than anything that i would place to my worst enemy, but I always have stould up for what is right as a human being to each other. I voted for Obama cause I felt if anyone had a chance of changing things, it would be because of the changes within us as people and I stick to that with Hillary. Its about personal growth within the fabric of society to allow all of us to become what they say we caint. I would humbly like to meet them, I doubt that will ever happen as I am nobody, just a peasant with belief. peace out
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Hillary Clinton for Supreme Court Justice! She's a perfect fit.
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I burst out laughing and stopped reading when the Times bought into Hillary's claim of courting danger by going to Alabama in 1972. Seriously? Let me give her a tour of San Salvador on bus and on foot, alone, and unarmed, so she can report on the "violence" that causes the rush for the US border. I didn't think so.
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That was then. This - zealous loyalty to her Wall Street benefactors over Main Street, undying support of "free trade," invariably favoring military intervention over diplomacy - is now. What Ms. Clinton did forty years ago doesn't make her progressive any more than Ronald Reagan's Screen Actors Guild presidency in the 1950's made him a liberal in the '80's.
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Yes, it is sort of like saying I went to Mother Teresa's Soup Kitchen in the South Bronx and saw a lot of hungry, sick people forty years ago, had an epiphany and then went out purchased a face lift.
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There is always a certain amount of bitterness expressed every four (4) years by supporters of Presidential candidates that showed early promise then failed to take off. Such is the case of Sanders supporters as they now lash out at every news article written about HRC's personal background and life experience that do not paint her as a villain or a pawn of corporate interests. More important, they are happy to point out that the Clinton’s like many other people that have done well in life didn’t send their daughter to the most economically distressed public school they could find in the US, but rather sent them to a private school where they would have better opportunities for lifetime advancement.
One would think that an individuals “varied” lifetime experiences would be an asset to seeking the Presidency. Unfortunately, there are some that actually believe that if one is not philosophically pure throughout their life they are not worthy of consideration and are usually the one that guarantee the election of Republican Presidents.
One would think that an individuals “varied” lifetime experiences would be an asset to seeking the Presidency. Unfortunately, there are some that actually believe that if one is not philosophically pure throughout their life they are not worthy of consideration and are usually the one that guarantee the election of Republican Presidents.
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Jim,
The problem is that this article has absolutely nothing to do with real-life policy proposals coming out of the Clinton camp. It's a rather pointless expose about a very short time in Clinton's life. Notice that she did not accomplish anything through her efforts.
If anything, the bitterness stems from serious issues not getting the light of day in our political coverage. Climate change, healthcare/pharmaceutical profiteering, infrastructure decay, too-big-to-fail banks that are now bigger than when we last bailed them out, a perpetual 'war-on-terrorism', low and/or stagnant wages, social injustice perpetuated by our criminal justice system; these things need to be addressed. These are things that will greatly affect my life, so I feel justified in having a bone to grind with the news-corporations.
The problem is that this article has absolutely nothing to do with real-life policy proposals coming out of the Clinton camp. It's a rather pointless expose about a very short time in Clinton's life. Notice that she did not accomplish anything through her efforts.
If anything, the bitterness stems from serious issues not getting the light of day in our political coverage. Climate change, healthcare/pharmaceutical profiteering, infrastructure decay, too-big-to-fail banks that are now bigger than when we last bailed them out, a perpetual 'war-on-terrorism', low and/or stagnant wages, social injustice perpetuated by our criminal justice system; these things need to be addressed. These are things that will greatly affect my life, so I feel justified in having a bone to grind with the news-corporations.
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Many of us participate in political causes when we are young knowing that we will not see things change immediately. Sadly, however, some hold people that have these experiences and then hold elected office as being derelict because they're not marching up and down the nearest Interstate highway in Alabama forty (40) years later to point out educational disparities in student admission policies that even the Obama Administration seemingly won't touch with a ten (10) foot pole.
It is significant and perhaps has some lasting importance that Mrs. Clinton did direct investigation into racial discrimination. Personal experiences are very important. They help to create the shape of the world the person will later use to balance judgements. But...
The underlying suggestion that this represented some sort of brave dip into the civil rights movement is kind of silly. Dothan, Alabama, even back then, was not like venturing into N. Korea or some other sort of dark, forbidden territory. She wasn't trying to enroll a black student, she was playing the role of a young white woman who was merely looking into schools for her pretend children. This was about .0005 on a hundred scale danger meter.
Looked at in a larger sense, this story illustrates why Mrs. Clinton is more of a policy wonk. the perennial "A" student than deeply caring. This little trip was a great, life changing event? Good lord. What else with similar "drama" is in her entire bio? Cutting class? Once? Watching an anti-war march?
People who very smart academically, especially lawyers, get sealed off from real life, from actual living, breathing human experience. Everything is either a theory, a set policy plan or case law. The law itself represents a mental distortion field.
Mrs. Clinton has had expansive experiences as an adult, but her formative ones as a young adult, except for fish gutting in Alaska, seemed to have been very narrowly focused. We see the results before us.
The underlying suggestion that this represented some sort of brave dip into the civil rights movement is kind of silly. Dothan, Alabama, even back then, was not like venturing into N. Korea or some other sort of dark, forbidden territory. She wasn't trying to enroll a black student, she was playing the role of a young white woman who was merely looking into schools for her pretend children. This was about .0005 on a hundred scale danger meter.
Looked at in a larger sense, this story illustrates why Mrs. Clinton is more of a policy wonk. the perennial "A" student than deeply caring. This little trip was a great, life changing event? Good lord. What else with similar "drama" is in her entire bio? Cutting class? Once? Watching an anti-war march?
People who very smart academically, especially lawyers, get sealed off from real life, from actual living, breathing human experience. Everything is either a theory, a set policy plan or case law. The law itself represents a mental distortion field.
Mrs. Clinton has had expansive experiences as an adult, but her formative ones as a young adult, except for fish gutting in Alaska, seemed to have been very narrowly focused. We see the results before us.
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I have the feeling that you do not have a clue about what you are talking about.
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She braved machine gun fire while gutting those fish.
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Well, Idrove through parts of the South (Arkansas, Tennessee, Virginia) in the late 1960's, in a car with Massachusetts license plates. I guess it wasn't N. Korea or Somalia, but it sure wasn't a friendly place.
In restaurants, we were viewed with open suspicion, and when leaving a restaurant, filled with patrons who drove trucks with gun racks, we would make sure we weren't being followed.
During that trip we were not doing any civil rights work; I do wonder what would have happened if we had. Kudos to Hillary.
In restaurants, we were viewed with open suspicion, and when leaving a restaurant, filled with patrons who drove trucks with gun racks, we would make sure we weren't being followed.
During that trip we were not doing any civil rights work; I do wonder what would have happened if we had. Kudos to Hillary.
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I know what I was doing at 24, and it wasn't going to Alabama to expose segregated schools, or doing anything as impressive as the things Mrs. Clinton did. Say what you will about her. I think this article shows that Hillary is a special person, someone that has worked actively for equality and fairness for a long time. These are the kinds of things I value, and what I want to see in our next president.
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And who has worked hard for Wall Street and the very monied interests of this once great nation. I know of a certain Senator who has put his money, actions and faith where his mouth is...the very honorable Bernie Sanders!
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Articles like these are part of the reason why Donald Trump, yes, I said it, Donald Trump has gotten to where he is today. It is a total and utter rejection of the journalistic bias in the media which holds itself out as objective and beyond reproach.
Trump is not my favorite candidate but there is a sense that a vote for anyone else, especially Clinton, would be business as usual. The impulsive me would just love to cast a vote for Trump to poke the eye of the propagandists.
Trump is not my favorite candidate but there is a sense that a vote for anyone else, especially Clinton, would be business as usual. The impulsive me would just love to cast a vote for Trump to poke the eye of the propagandists.
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Emkay: I feel exactly the same way. And if it comes down to Trump vs. her, that's exactly what I'll be doing.
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Me too! I read it twice and it was fluffy enough to float off the iPad.
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Trump supporters make the mind reel. Hillary, whatever you think of her, has a record of service and accomplishment. What does Trump have except ignorance and bluster? He is a dangerous fool, but perhaps his supporters are just like him and hate Hillary for being what she is.
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I for one, am a "senior" voter who well remembers the courage of real civil rights workers in the 60's, real activists in the women's movement of the 70's, and fact is, I am just as idealistic as I was in my 20's. And I will vote for Bernie!
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If one scans the articles on Mrs. Clinton in the Times, Wa Post, and Guardian, one sees that the proponderance of comments are either against Mrs. Clinton, for Senator Sanders, or uncomfortable with journalistic standards. Few comments take strong Clinton stands. This strikes me as somewhat peculiar.
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Probably because she isn't REALLY that popular and the folks reading these articles see them for what they APPEAR to be... An attempt to bolster the reputation of someone who needs several media outlets to keep her just from toppling over. I am so sorry to appear like some sort of crazy person but that is exactly what it seems like.
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Youre not crazy. You recognize reality. In the American national political debate, you just end up feeling like you would be regarded as crazy, because the priorities of wealthy elites and their media operations like the Times are so cynically opposed to you, any notion of common sense (in the revolutionary era understanding), or any value system that you would regard as valid.
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Hillary doesn't need dark money or any money. She's got the NYT.
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That's why the New York Times made up the Whitewater non-scandal and really pushed the email story, right?
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NYT is weaving the myth of Hillary and got the pom-poms out withe this story......if Hillary was so enamored of diversity why send her precious Chelsea to Sidwell Friends where the tuition is over $40,000 and she should have sent her to those wonderful D.C. school so she could be taught by her union supporters?...when she was "dead broke" after the white house she decided to buy a home it was in Chappaqua where the entry ticket to a basic house is over 1 million......town is as white as pure driven snow in Vermont.....someone should go under cover and expose the Clinton Crime family as doing everything in their power to isolate themselves from the people they suppose to help....I wounder if gran kids will be going to public or private school?
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And what does the average house in Cambridge cost these days? Not sure it makes sense to judge people because of where they choose to live.
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In my last days of my NYT subscription. I decided to cancel here and send Bernie the money instead as I think that is a better use of my money right now. Memo to NYT: We get it that you only support one candidate. But we can take your money away from you and support the candidate that makes the most sense for America's future. By for now and hello, Bernie!
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Erling -
I was so, so, so close to that myself today. So close.
I was so, so, so close to that myself today. So close.
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How Bernie Sanders went underground to run a campaign, since the NYTIMES was no longer an honest news organization and stopped reporting on the Senator and his campaign, his impact, and his supporters.
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So now after reading this, I'm imagining how this story might play up against one of Trump's over the top stories about real estate or sexual conquest during a similar formative period of his life in a head-to-head presidential debate between the two.
Sorry Hillary, I'm just afraid your ideals and commitments are no match for no match for Trump's racy exploits and bravado. Just remember Mother Teresa herself would probably never have ever won any beauty contests, no matter where her heart was or how much of it she was willing to bare.
Sorry Hillary, I'm just afraid your ideals and commitments are no match for no match for Trump's racy exploits and bravado. Just remember Mother Teresa herself would probably never have ever won any beauty contests, no matter where her heart was or how much of it she was willing to bare.
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Mother Theresa? Clinton went to Dothan in 1972 and stayed in a motel for a few days. Give it a rest. Please.
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It's troubling that the Democratic party feels Clinton is what's best for the party and the country at this point in time. She seems to have a lock on the nomination but as terrible as any of the presumptive Republican candidates are, she is far from a lock to win the general election. If she does become the nominee, I fear her presence will mobilize the right in ways that no one truly anticipates. She has lot of baggage. The Republicans are going to remind everyone of this ad nauseam. We will be revisiting the 90's all over again. And nothing will change.
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" I fear her presence will mobilize the right in ways that no one truly anticipates."....Not very likely, Obama (being born in Kenya) has already done that far beyond anything Hillary could possibly do.
But more importantly; What did HRC do for minorities when she was in the Senate? Zilch. What did she do for poor and low income women when she was in the Senate? Zilch. What did she do for people on Social Security when she was in the Senate? Zilch. What did she do for Wall Street when she was in the Senate? Oops. It's almost obscene to imply that HRC accomplished anything for minorities when compared with a lifelong commitment to that cause on the part of Bernie Sanders.
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There are major voting record differences between Senators Sanders and Clinton in the years that they both served in the Senate. However, it is disingenuous to claim that Sanders and Clinton are so different on domestic policy. In fact, Sanders and Clinton were in agreement 93% of the time in their voting. The significant differences in their votes were not regarding domestic issues, rather they fell in the fields of foreign policy, defense spending, support for the bank bailouts during the financial crisis, etc. Of course, these policy differences have domestic policy consequences, but in fact they are both supporters of government efforts on the part of the poor and minorities populations.
If you believe that Clinton did nothing for these groups during her time in the Senate, you would have to conclude roughly the same for Sanders, as they agreed on far more that they disagreed on in their voting records.
If you believe that Clinton did nothing for these groups during her time in the Senate, you would have to conclude roughly the same for Sanders, as they agreed on far more that they disagreed on in their voting records.
Is anyone at the Times embarrassed by the fawning coverage Clinton repeatedly receives in this newspaper? Seriously. From the endless stories spinning her record and biography in the best possible light to Frank Bruni's cringe-making cheerleading, it's as though Clinton staffers have taken the editorship of the Times.
I don't say this as a conservative or as someone necessarily opposed to Hillary Clinton (in fact, if she emerges as the nominee, I will certainly vote for her over any of the clowns running on the Republican side), but it's sad to behold just how in the tank the Times is for her candidacy. A little professionalism would be in order.
I don't say this as a conservative or as someone necessarily opposed to Hillary Clinton (in fact, if she emerges as the nominee, I will certainly vote for her over any of the clowns running on the Republican side), but it's sad to behold just how in the tank the Times is for her candidacy. A little professionalism would be in order.
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Strange stuff! Lots of comments about how the NYT is in the tank for Hillary- not what I've been reading. Another group says if they can't have Bernie they're gonna stomp their feet and........not vote? vote Republican? It's unclear.
Hillary Clinton seems to inspire strong feelings one way or the other. I like her and will vote for her. I would vote for Bernie but don't think he'll get the nomination. And I don't think he could win the general.
But the most important thing that will be voted on next November is who will make nominations for the Supremes. Trump or Cruz will put forth individuals that would take us way back. The next round of nominees will set the course for the next 30 years.
Hillary Clinton seems to inspire strong feelings one way or the other. I like her and will vote for her. I would vote for Bernie but don't think he'll get the nomination. And I don't think he could win the general.
But the most important thing that will be voted on next November is who will make nominations for the Supremes. Trump or Cruz will put forth individuals that would take us way back. The next round of nominees will set the course for the next 30 years.
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And as long as the Times and the MONIED LIBERAL press, who are in the pockets of the Clinton-Wasserman 0.01 percent, Senator Sanders will never get the unbiased coverage he deserves, his ideas, proposals and records will never see the unbiased light of day. Meanwhile, Ms. Clinton's "history and accomplishments" will be seen and reported through the rose colored glasses of the NY Times editors, and most importantly, the Times owners.
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That stuff just seems like urban myth to me. People think it, repeat it, it develops a life of its own. One of the things that fits the line- Don't believe everything you think.
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I think Bernie has a better chance to win the general election than Hillary. He is already mobilizing moderate Republicans (they do exist!) on his platform of advancing income equality.
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I wouldn't mind these fluff pieces on Hillary Clinton so much, if the NYTs gave a little time to the history and accomplishments of Mr Bernie Sanders... The real candidate of The People.
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Probing the distant pasts of presedential candidates is an excellent idea. I have two comments about this article.
1. I don't see that it is front page news. By placing it so prominently on your welcome page, readers think the Times is recommending Mrs Rodham Clinton.
2. Because the US is moving rapidly toward major primaries, in the interest of fairness, articles of similiar length about the other Dem candidates should be posted. It would be interesting to learn what Mr O'Malley and Sen Sanders were doing in their early 20's, how they compare with Mrs Clinton on these issues.
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1. I don't see that it is front page news. By placing it so prominently on your welcome page, readers think the Times is recommending Mrs Rodham Clinton.
2. Because the US is moving rapidly toward major primaries, in the interest of fairness, articles of similiar length about the other Dem candidates should be posted. It would be interesting to learn what Mr O'Malley and Sen Sanders were doing in their early 20's, how they compare with Mrs Clinton on these issues.
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Or maybe Republican candidates? What was Ben Carson doing in his 20's? Ted Cruz?
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Bernie was in Chicago leading fair housing for minority protests, anti war protests, oh and he was with a guy named Martin Luther King marching on Washington. In one photo you can see him just behind king.
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Certainly! I mentioned the Dem candidates because the fairness issue is so obvious. Of course, an article looking at that formative time in all the candidates' lives would be interesting.
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Let's boot Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump from the presidential race and start over!
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Six months ago it was "No more Bushes, No more Clintons".
Now it's "No more Trump. No more Clinton".
It was as obvious then as it was now that all you people meant was "No more Hillary". You are not fooling anyone.
Now it's "No more Trump. No more Clinton".
It was as obvious then as it was now that all you people meant was "No more Hillary". You are not fooling anyone.
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Fran I was a Hillary partisan to the end, in 2008. But I have matured, in addition to having a lot more of an education behind me, a whole lot more training in critical thinking, and experience, by having seen my country, my fellows, my family, and everyone in the land devastated by the economic malfeasance of the 1% and the complicit government. I have seen the suicides of young people in families who lost everything through no fault of their own. And I have seen adults give up and let go of any shred of normalcy as they went from middle class to middle of nowhere in less than a year or two of the elections of 2008. We need a responsible citizen in the White House, Bernie Sanders is that grown up responsible citizen that is the only thing standing between the 99% rest of us, and oblivion. Hillary is not the one. She lost to the democratic machinery that worked for their masters to put a trojan horse supposed community organizer in office. Bernie's turn to be Hillary'd I guess?
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I'll say it loud and proud. fran: "No more Hillary"! And I certainly hope I've made it obvious. A corrupt grifter is a corrupt grifter is a corrupt grifter, whether M or F or D or R. And if you want to talk obvious, while all candidates are flawed and many are crooked, I'd prefer to vote for a less obvious example of the species.
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What immediately comes to mind as a life long southerner and public school teacher is this: While you self righteous northern liberals come riding down on your white horses to save the poor black children that so many white teachers here have dedicated their entire careers to educate, you have teachers and administrators in Philadelphia saying HORRIBLE things that NO person should ever say about another human- truly dehumanizing things that I've personally in 20 years of teaching EVER heard another southern educator say. Am I proud of the racist history of the South? No. But no more than I'm ashamed of the south than I am of that bastion of freedom "the north". Please NYT stop perpetuating this myth. It's getting old.
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If anyone had any doubt about the bias of the NYT, here you go.
Just curious how much direct input was provided by the Clinton campaign.
Just curious how much direct input was provided by the Clinton campaign.
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Just imagine how much cocaine ended up in black communities while Bill and Hillary were in charge down in Arkansas. Google c.i.a drug dealers. .clinton drug dealing...well documented corruption through the years from that we'll connected elitist family. I'm a 2nd generation drywaller and staunch Democrat. I'm just sick of the same ruling class dictating the rest of our lives. Research and read.
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8 years of bush
8 years of obama
8 years of hillary
th usa is resilient, but not that resilient
8 years of obama
8 years of hillary
th usa is resilient, but not that resilient
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So, Hillary sent Chelsea to Sidwell Friends, but decries the school choice of others? What is the black percentage of the student population of Horace Greeley High, Chappaqua, NY, her chosen hometown? 1% . Both California and New York, bastions of Democratic politics, are the country's most economically and racially segreated states. Wonder why? Why does Sidwell Friends receive a similar tax exempt status? Where will the grandkids, offspring of two Hedge Funders, go to school? I'm betting they won't be attending an all black public school in the Mississippi Delta, DC, or the Bronx. Pure puffery and Limousine Liberal hypocrisy.
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are you just awakening to th fact that oligarchy comes in both D and R flavors ?
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Sidwell Friends has nothing to do in comparison to the re-segregation that happened across the south after public schools were opened to all, including blacks. Those southern private schools were a calculated, deliberate attempt to defy the Supreme Court rulings that public schools should be open to everyone.'
Private schools, like Sidwell Friends, are an attempt by those who have the money to provide a step up for their kids. I lived in DC when my daughter was born and, frankly, I am not sure what I would have done had we still been there when she was school age. I think we would have enrolled her in public schools, but kept a very watchful eye on how she was doing and what they were offering. The DC school system is known generally as one of the worst in the nation and it never seems to get better.
Politicians of all stripes send their kids to the elite prep schools if they have their families in DC. Yes, it is a contradiction, but who wants to sacrifice their kid's future to prove a point or to be consistent?
The re-segregation academies represent a shame on the south, an attempt to hold back the hands of time. Mrs. Clinton investigating them as a law student was a positive effort to stop them from getting federal tax relief in the effort to maintain massive inequality between the races. Who else running for president has ever done anything like that on a personal, direct level? It was not an heroic action, but, hey, at least it was something.
Private schools, like Sidwell Friends, are an attempt by those who have the money to provide a step up for their kids. I lived in DC when my daughter was born and, frankly, I am not sure what I would have done had we still been there when she was school age. I think we would have enrolled her in public schools, but kept a very watchful eye on how she was doing and what they were offering. The DC school system is known generally as one of the worst in the nation and it never seems to get better.
Politicians of all stripes send their kids to the elite prep schools if they have their families in DC. Yes, it is a contradiction, but who wants to sacrifice their kid's future to prove a point or to be consistent?
The re-segregation academies represent a shame on the south, an attempt to hold back the hands of time. Mrs. Clinton investigating them as a law student was a positive effort to stop them from getting federal tax relief in the effort to maintain massive inequality between the races. Who else running for president has ever done anything like that on a personal, direct level? It was not an heroic action, but, hey, at least it was something.
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Wasn't Washington, DC a town with separate drinking fountains and other evidence of segregation in the early 1960s? And, just when did Sidwell Friends open its doors to students of all races?
When I see a NYT article on Hillary Clinton, I first look at the authors. Amy Chozick is a repeat offender. These cheerleader-esque articles on Hillary belong in the op-ed section, not above the digital fold.
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Amy is the best, and the rare journalist with the courage to write these stories that the mainstream media is suppressing every day.
The Daily Caller and Fox are entire organizations with a 100% anti-Hillary agenda. One reporter in the organization that brought you Whitewater and e-mail-gate, and you call foul ?
The Daily Caller and Fox are entire organizations with a 100% anti-Hillary agenda. One reporter in the organization that brought you Whitewater and e-mail-gate, and you call foul ?
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Chozick is the best? Really? That, my friend, is your opinion. Fox versus NYTIMES is a false dichotomy. They all work for the same masters.
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The Times should be applauded: their article today has forced me to take the important step I needed to take in order to provide myself therapy after the sheer outrage the article provoked, like so many Hillary articles they publish. Instead of feeling ticked off any further, I simply went to the Sanders web site and made a nice donation. This is how I will deal with further "frustrating" Times articles on Hillary Clinton and the election; as a small donor, I am long way to go before I hit 2700 dollars (the limit), so I can relax knowing that the frustration the Times' allegiance with the Hillary campaign causes me will finally have a truly positive outlet.
Thanks again NYT!
Thanks again NYT!
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Many of us share your response to these biased articles.
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Right! No more information! We have already made up our minds. We do not want to be forced to read any article that does not conform to our minds. We need therapy.
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Too bad Hillary did not have enough influence on her husband when he threw the brilliant and bi-racial Lani Guinier under the bus after political pressure. She was to head the Justice Department's Civil Rights Department. As a leading educator on racism, she could have shined the light back then on what continues to prevail and even perhaps effect some progress.
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Sorry, Lily, but Lani Guinier had too much baggage to ever be confirmed to any post by even the most liberal Congress.
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Sorry, Jill, depends on your definition of baggage. Bill Clinton had a lot of baggage too and was elected President of The United States and was one of the greatest President's ever. Also, after the Lewinsky "baggage", Bill Clinton had people who stood up for him, regardless the political cost. He nominated her, he knew her record, which for the most part, was exceptional, he should have stood by her, she had way more going for her than against her.
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Sorry, Jill, but I disagree with you. He should have remained loyal to the person he nominated, and who he had known for years. Hillary had worked very closely with LG and she knew Lani Guinier to be an outstanding leader. Her record was being distorted and destroyed by conservatives and she did not have a chance to go through the process and to answer for herself. She deserved to be heard, regardless the outcome. He should have at least consulted her, and let her decide if she could take the heat.
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The NYT has done these kind of pieces for every presidential candidate. The vitriol towards Hillary and the NYT is truly astounding.
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I'm still waiting for a puff piece on Trump.
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really? perhaps you could post a link to the similar pieces on Romney, McCain or GWBush.
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The absence of any articles on Trump is in itself a puff piece.
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"Black Lives Matter activists have demanded more from her"
Has Hillary fully embraced the only Black Lives Matter" movement? What have they demanded from her?
Has Hillary fully embraced the only Black Lives Matter" movement? What have they demanded from her?
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As NYT' readers are increasingly expressing, articles in this once great paper must be read through a very critical lens. I have been so disappointed and disheartened by the rapid control of media in this country by powerful and wealthy individuals and their extensive matrix of interwoven non-profit fronts--
for what amount to nothing more than brash and likely intractable orchestrated influence over our political, economic and judicial systems.
I often wonder what goes through the minds of newspaper owners, editors and journalists who are acutely aware of their role as keepers of our Republic, yet knowingly abandon this moral imperative when they accept "philanthropic" grants, funding for journalists, and meet with billionaires so media agendas can be determined.
My forefathers, who were journalists, lawyers and union leaders, reiterated that politics are not an exercise separate from our personal lives, but complicit in how all of our lives play out each day. They would be sickened by what has happened to this country, and esp. the media's role, in a relatively brief period of time--and that so few seem to even discern this or care about the implications.
This minor information about HRC is par for the course in this new country. Bernie will never be allowed to run as the DNC candidate. He brazenly articulates the facts and truth about what is happening in this country, and embodies the courage needed to sustain democracy. As such, he has no place in mainstream media.
for what amount to nothing more than brash and likely intractable orchestrated influence over our political, economic and judicial systems.
I often wonder what goes through the minds of newspaper owners, editors and journalists who are acutely aware of their role as keepers of our Republic, yet knowingly abandon this moral imperative when they accept "philanthropic" grants, funding for journalists, and meet with billionaires so media agendas can be determined.
My forefathers, who were journalists, lawyers and union leaders, reiterated that politics are not an exercise separate from our personal lives, but complicit in how all of our lives play out each day. They would be sickened by what has happened to this country, and esp. the media's role, in a relatively brief period of time--and that so few seem to even discern this or care about the implications.
This minor information about HRC is par for the course in this new country. Bernie will never be allowed to run as the DNC candidate. He brazenly articulates the facts and truth about what is happening in this country, and embodies the courage needed to sustain democracy. As such, he has no place in mainstream media.
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This article had an odd outcome in my case, one I don't suppose was the point of the piece. I found myself, for the first time, going to Senator Sanders' website and giving him money. Such over-sculpted public relations journalism: Even though I don't doubt its veracity, or Clinton's good will at the time, the appearance of the article and the timing and the background of events (the DNC recently trying to cut off Sanders' access to voter lists) just became too much.
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I channeled my sheer sense of outrage of all the obvious issues with this particular article, Hillary Clinton, and the New York Times "coverage" of Election 2016 into a nice donation myself this afternoon. That expensive new running coat I was about to buy? I'll use the old one. I made better use of the money.
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When will United States make up for the Exclusion Act against Asian Americans? When will American honor Asians who build the cross Continental Rail Road? The interment?
When will United States make up for the academic discrimination? To get admitted to the same school, Asian have to score SAT 450 higher then Blacks, 270 higher SAT score then Hispanics, and 140 higher SAT score then Whites. Asians are over qualified. statistics show that Blacks are under qualify and at a disadvantage academically in College thus a higher drop out rate. College acceptance process is unfair, for Blacks and Asians! THUS Affirmative Action Policy is wasting Government financial student aides.
When will United States make up for the academic discrimination? To get admitted to the same school, Asian have to score SAT 450 higher then Blacks, 270 higher SAT score then Hispanics, and 140 higher SAT score then Whites. Asians are over qualified. statistics show that Blacks are under qualify and at a disadvantage academically in College thus a higher drop out rate. College acceptance process is unfair, for Blacks and Asians! THUS Affirmative Action Policy is wasting Government financial student aides.
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Why on earth did the Times make the effort to do this piece?
"Going 'undercover' " ?!?? This is an example of a thoughtful, white liberal in the 70s trying to unseat injustice and uncover undercover racism and wrong. The problem is, these types of things - - like going into a Marine recruiter in Va. circa 1974 to try and enlist to see... - - is just personal self-enhancement and a great story to tell at an alumni get-together among similiar liberals.
It actually does nothing but give you a story to tell 40 years later on the campaign trail.
I can give Republican examples too, but some of the other 60-70s Dem stories are so iconic on this count. Like John Kerry going to Vietnam with an 8mm film camera to shoot "PT-109" type footage for his future campaigns is a similar example. Who the hell goes to combat and war with an 8mm cam?
Anyhow, if we saw today a humble and skilled leader today in Hillary Clinton due to this type of self-sponsor, vain glorious "I'm a white MLK" activity - - then I would applaud her and give kudos for the experience. But we don't.
We see a person who it seems since college decided she would one day rule us and POTUS. If only degreee of ambition reflected degree of leadership capabilities.
While the Chinese have unrelently purposeful and competent leaders who ruthlessly seek to generally advance their people; we in the U.S. seem with this Boomer and later generations to have leaders who are unrelenting only in their own advancement.
"Going 'undercover' " ?!?? This is an example of a thoughtful, white liberal in the 70s trying to unseat injustice and uncover undercover racism and wrong. The problem is, these types of things - - like going into a Marine recruiter in Va. circa 1974 to try and enlist to see... - - is just personal self-enhancement and a great story to tell at an alumni get-together among similiar liberals.
It actually does nothing but give you a story to tell 40 years later on the campaign trail.
I can give Republican examples too, but some of the other 60-70s Dem stories are so iconic on this count. Like John Kerry going to Vietnam with an 8mm film camera to shoot "PT-109" type footage for his future campaigns is a similar example. Who the hell goes to combat and war with an 8mm cam?
Anyhow, if we saw today a humble and skilled leader today in Hillary Clinton due to this type of self-sponsor, vain glorious "I'm a white MLK" activity - - then I would applaud her and give kudos for the experience. But we don't.
We see a person who it seems since college decided she would one day rule us and POTUS. If only degreee of ambition reflected degree of leadership capabilities.
While the Chinese have unrelently purposeful and competent leaders who ruthlessly seek to generally advance their people; we in the U.S. seem with this Boomer and later generations to have leaders who are unrelenting only in their own advancement.
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Come on NYT! Hillary was not part of the civil rights movement, and I'm tired of reading pieces trying to prop up her record that is more littered with scandals than progressive positions.
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Hillary and the NYTimes are the establishment, locked arm in arm.
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I live in Dothan but have been to Chicago dozens of times. Now there's a place where it's truly dehumanizing to be black. If Hillary were truly interested in finding justice for the disenfranchised she should've saved the money spent for her plane ticket, hotels, and rental car and used it right there in Chicago to fund that same struggle. I can assure you that Dothan Alabama has made far more progress in terms of civil rights than Chicago. Hillary Clinton is desperately searching for a narrative that distances herself from her uber-rich powerbase and the New York Times enjoys nothing more then portraying us all in the south as ignorant racist hillbillies.
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Chicago certainly has an ugly history with racial equality, but it's still light years ahead of towns in a state that still displays the stars and bars on public officers and vehicles.
The old canard about being uppity versus living nearby is still apt.
The old canard about being uppity versus living nearby is still apt.
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There is no indication that she placed this piece in the NY Times. A reporter did it. Back off.
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Lucy .... Read it, nothing else could possibly make sense.
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Can a supposed news story be more one sided then this one? And these are the kind of stories we will see about Hillary. It will be the" let us dig into her past stories" instead of what she did lately. Don't expect Hillary to just show up acappella with the orchestra she has now.
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Where do you think these "news" pieces originate? Is it possible they are inspired by Clinton campaign workers eager to provide material masquerading as "news"?
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The for-profit charter school sector, which Democrats for Education Reform and some prominent Republicans support, is contributing to the re-segregation of public school systems. I invite Hillary Clinton to visit certain charter schools in my southern state and see the regression taking place thanks to out-of-state profit seeking charter school management corporations.
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This is beyond a laughable puff piece. Whether it's "weeks" of work or the daring mission to rent a car and drive to dangerous Dothan AL, there's not much there. Hillary, you attended an all women's college as Yale did not admit women until 1969. So, ten years after any major segregation battle, being a rich white girl, you "went undercover" (as a white woman) to ask really really clever questions? That's it??? The danger?? This article is nuts. Complete puffery and bullcrap. You know that Dothan hosts a US Army aviation school and has for a long time. Being a rich Yankee wandering into a private school office is as much "undercover" as Michelle's trip to target that she modified into a manufactured tale of racism. Sorry, but NY TImes should do better. Good grief, did Correct the Record type this?
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And what social justice have you actively participated in?
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Civil Rights workers had been murdered in the South less than 10 years previously. The amount of historical amnesia or denial in these comments is astounding.
" And the well-intentioned work Hillary described was no match for the absolute insistence of millions of Southern whites that their kids never go to school with black kids.' "
Millions of Southern whites? You are leaving out the many millions more in the remaining sections of the country. They quietly reflect on all their valid reasons for not sending their children to schools with African-American children and convince themselves "well that's a different situation". Yes, it's a painful realization.
Millions of Southern whites? You are leaving out the many millions more in the remaining sections of the country. They quietly reflect on all their valid reasons for not sending their children to schools with African-American children and convince themselves "well that's a different situation". Yes, it's a painful realization.
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@Jp
"Valid reasons" for educational segregation? Are these the same "valid reasons" that blacks are often denied jobs, promotions, and mortgages?
So much ugliness.
"Valid reasons" for educational segregation? Are these the same "valid reasons" that blacks are often denied jobs, promotions, and mortgages?
So much ugliness.
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@Pacifica: And how many African-American students are in Orange County public schools? Maybe bussing should be implemented to integrate your schools. You could bus between your schools and Compton. Yes it's a long ride but a progressive like you wouldn't shy away, would you?
There you go, break those racial barriers.
(New Yorkers are you listening?)
There you go, break those racial barriers.
(New Yorkers are you listening?)
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1962. White kid from NYC. Fresh off the train from USAF flight school to an air force base near Dothan Alabama. Big sign: "White Only" bathrooms and drinking fountain. I was shocked, angry and surprised. As the months passed I accommodated to the local preferences. Though I never witnessed outright racism I have always been ashamed.
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When can we expect the next NYT puff piece on Hillary going undercover with the Marines?
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And that time she landed in Bosnia under sniper fire.
Oh, wait.
Oh, wait.
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when can we expect you not to be suspicious of everything she does--or did. the issue at the time was not exactly unimportant, was it?
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Don't worry, soon the NYT will herald their Clinton endorsement.
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I still remember standing on a street corner with a handful of other women, in the winter, in Montana, protesting the run up to the invasion and occupation of Iraq. It felt like our voices were meaningless against the steamroller that was the Bush rush to war, with supporters such as Hillary Clinton enabling them.
This is how it feels now as a supporter of Bernie Sanders. No matter how much we protest, how much we ask media such as the NY Times to slow down, stop, and consider (as we did with the war at the time), it does not seem to make any difference.
The powers that be will get its candidate and America will get more of her meaningless wars. Very, very sad new year to look forward to.
This is how it feels now as a supporter of Bernie Sanders. No matter how much we protest, how much we ask media such as the NY Times to slow down, stop, and consider (as we did with the war at the time), it does not seem to make any difference.
The powers that be will get its candidate and America will get more of her meaningless wars. Very, very sad new year to look forward to.
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I share your despair and sense of outrage. I, too, stood in the streets, over and over, protesting the Iraq War, long before it was started. I, too, gaped in horror at the New York Times as the publication jumped on the bandwagon. I, too, was horrified by the Hillary Clinton's politically-motivated yes vote on the authorization.
And to date, it seems Hillary Clinton has never met a neo-conservative, elective war of choice, or a coup, that she hasn't loved.
You don't see in the Times any assessment whatsoever of how much devastation Hillary Clinton has done already with the limited power she has held to date. The woman has more blood on her hands than most politicians in power today. There are more people lying at the bottom of the Mediterranean, or struggling and fearful in the hellish anarchy of Libya, than can be counted. The Times doesn't seem able to report this.
And to date, it seems Hillary Clinton has never met a neo-conservative, elective war of choice, or a coup, that she hasn't loved.
You don't see in the Times any assessment whatsoever of how much devastation Hillary Clinton has done already with the limited power she has held to date. The woman has more blood on her hands than most politicians in power today. There are more people lying at the bottom of the Mediterranean, or struggling and fearful in the hellish anarchy of Libya, than can be counted. The Times doesn't seem able to report this.
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CAF, thanks! What's so difficult now is how most Americans say the invasion was a mistake, including Hillary Clinton and I'm assuming the NY Times. Where were they when we needed them?
Don't forget to vote!
Don't forget to vote!
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And of course, the NY Times' own Judith Miller was providing drumbeats for the Iraq invasion.
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Interesting. May I suggest the NYTimes staff do an investigative piece on Ms Clinton regarding how she was removed from the staff investigating Watergate? I doubt it, as that would help the true champion, Mr Sanders.
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By using the adjective "elite" to describe this place, you are endorsing their de facto whites-only policy. Yes, I know it isn't technically whites-only but as Anatole France says: "In its majestic equality, the law forbids both rich and poor from sleeping under bridges." The pictures on the website do nothing to dispel the impression that blacks aren't welcome.
And as the graduate of a truly "Elite" college preparatory school -- one that prizes diversity and offers many full need-based scholarships, and partly as a result is minority-Caucasian today -- I think you are insulting truly elite academies for whom exposure to people not like oneself is one of the ways in which lids are educated.
And as the graduate of a truly "Elite" college preparatory school -- one that prizes diversity and offers many full need-based scholarships, and partly as a result is minority-Caucasian today -- I think you are insulting truly elite academies for whom exposure to people not like oneself is one of the ways in which lids are educated.
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For all of her lifetime of "speaking out" for children, women, etc. and given the proximity to power she has enjoyed -- and the related opportunity to effectuate change -- Mrs. Clinton has accomplished strikingly little. She revels in speech making as she did at Wellesley when she began her lifetime penchant for giving moral lectures to others, but the list of concrete accomplishments is slim, particularly in contrasts to the immense sums she has made giving her moralistic speeches.
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I have a hard time understanding why Mrs Rodham Clinton is considered an activist by so many. As secretary of state, she created no important doctrines or insights. As senator, she participated in no landmark legislation or effectively chaired important conmittees. As FL, she failed to create new health care. As author, her books have been ghostwritten. As attorney, she has no important publications and does not seem to put her training to much use. What are her signal accomplishnents?
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Just gave my first donation to Bernie... I had wanted to for some time but this undisclosed native advertisement pushed me to pull the trigger. Apparently the times doesn't think the DNC is doing enough to bury Bernie.
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I'll be donating myself, again, this afternoon.
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Tagically, you will still find bitter democrats and progressives who will complain that Clinton is not a good choice for President because she is too corporate or not progressive enough. They will stay home, rather than vote... which may allow someone vastly to the right of her to be elected.
It is always this way with Liberals. They did it in 2000, 2004, 2010, and 2014 - all with shocking results to the nation and our future.
This country has been in the weeds since 2001, and ironically, it's democrats not voting "out of principle" that put it there.
It is always this way with Liberals. They did it in 2000, 2004, 2010, and 2014 - all with shocking results to the nation and our future.
This country has been in the weeds since 2001, and ironically, it's democrats not voting "out of principle" that put it there.
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Of course, voting for the unprincipled kind of a democrat encourages .... what? more of the same? Isn't it time the Party listened to the people who are voting with their feet ... over 15 years as you point out. So, the people should conform to the politicians pig headedness?
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She is too corporate, but still several quantum leaps better than the Republicans. Any Democrats who refuse to vote for her in the general election are making a serious mistake.
WHERE is the beef here?
What did Clinton say to the Academy? What did they say to her? Did her visit prove anything at all? And what is the purpose of an article which omits the substance of what it purports to be about?
What did Clinton say to the Academy? What did they say to her? Did her visit prove anything at all? And what is the purpose of an article which omits the substance of what it purports to be about?
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And so it goes even today the great cancer of racism thrives in spite of the recognition of it's societal rot and evilness since 1700's. Tribalism and greed trumps all in spite of its cost. One can only wonder what our economy would be like, our arts and sciences, had we been able to fully accept.
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Why would you automatically assume that 40 years after the event described in this article that racism still exists at this school? My daughter is in this years graduating class and I can assure it does not. And what was the purpose of describing manicured courtyards with waterfalls that don't exist? There's no such waste occurring. It's about the education, that's it.
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I was speaking of the US in general, not today's Dothan. I am happy that racism does not exist at Dothan any more. Progress is creeping forward more than backward on this issue in leaps and jerks but across the US the vicious cycle of virtual segregation persists: inferior housing, education, greater jail time, busted families, and jobs. Its all there in the studies and stats. It's like we hit a wall sometime in the 70's of how much integration and acceptance the white tribe can accept the black one.
Yesterday the Times reported that after careful study, Chris Christie's record on fighting terrorism was flawed. Today the Times reports on Hillary fighting racism as a student. I wish the Times would stop pretending this is hard news and relegate it to the Opinion Page where it belongs.
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Indeed, or as a "feature" somewhere.
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Its Clear that while she meant well then as she does now, she is not Black and does not understand the Struggle! Only Obama really understands and yet he supports Mayor Emanuel !?
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The NY Times turned into a propaganda rag for Hillary Clinton. Bernie Sanders has done so much more for every kind of disenfranchised person, and when I see a piece like this, I don't think at all about Hillary Clinton and what she's done...I think the New York Times used to be a respectable source of news, and now it's not. I no longer trust it, just like I don't trust Hillary Clinton.
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A puff piece about a former Republican. We all mature and change but HRC seems to do it more often than most of us.
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OMG, she was in college!! What, do you require she changed her political affiliation when she was 12?
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The tone of some Sanders supporters in these comments is indistinguishable from the tone of Trump supporters (or Republicans in general). Not a way to encourage support for your candidate, guys. And I do mean guys, since the negativity is almost entirely from male commentators.
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Given that we are almost all behind anonymous handles, you can't possibly know whether or not most commenters here opposing Hillary Clinton are male. More likely, you just have issues with male commenters or, let's be blunt, males, and that is why you wrote what you did.
Men don't need to apologize to you. Get over it.
Men don't need to apologize to you. Get over it.
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Her efforts may have been for naught at that particular school in the south, but she learned a very valuable lesson as her statement showed to the young man who confronted her, “I don’t believe you change hearts, I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate.” She knows what to do to get things done...she has a rediculous amount of experience under her belt she's no novice. She is definitely presidential material, I wouldn't vote for her just because she's a woman, I'd vote for her because she has the tools and the experience that a president needs to be successful and to help his country.
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Right, the disaster that is Libya and her antagonism towards Russia and Vladimir Putin, along with her demand for an enforced no-fly zone is Syria (in other words, possibly World War 3) all indicate that she clearly has a new vision for us all, that will lead, practically speaking, to a better outcome.
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Oh, the BernieBots don't like this propaganda piece. Not one bit.
Of course this comment will never be published, since it mentiones Bernie.
#FeelTheBern
Of course this comment will never be published, since it mentiones Bernie.
#FeelTheBern
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Where, pray tell, is the historical documentation? the interviews? the trip report? the photographs?
Are those documents as elusive as the sniper's bullet?
Are those documents as elusive as the sniper's bullet?
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You're the second person to make such a comment, which I find honest, substantive and constructive criticism. There's simply not enough information. Thank you. In a previous comment, without hostility, I noted my confusion and asked if this piece was actually meant to plug Hilary's book. So far, my comment hasn't made it here. Ah well.
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Wow! I never knew that about HRC! After reading this, I'm inspired to register and vote for her in the Presidential election! Please NYT- Your readership plays chess and you guys are playing checkers- Put another quarter in and try again!
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The bureau at the Times "covering" this election doesn't deserve Times readers.
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Yawn........When did she loose her way? Now she is a fat cat playing only with her own kind, the rich.
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What a ridiculous puff piece. Are we really supposed to think Hillary was courageous because she, as a well-to-do white woman travelled to the south and pretended to be something she was not (something that seems to come quite naturally to her)? Really? How brave! I'd say that puts her on par the Vietnam veterans.
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That do you mean "puff" piece? The writer didn't mention Don Trump even once.
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Young white people were killed in the South for even the suspicion of this sort of endeavor back then. You are obviously ignorant of the facts. Doublless younger than 60, too young to know what it was like. It was damned scary.
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"Like many white activists from the North who traveled south to help on civil rights issues, Mrs. Clinton confronted a different world in Dothan, separate and unequal, and a sting of injustice she had previously only read about..."
Right. And she couldn't have found separate and unequal in her own Chicago. Or a string of injustice she had previously only read about. Because Chicago was a paradigm of diverse cultures peacefully and equally abiding.
If the premises are wrong in a narrative then everything that follows is wrong. Those kids that came South in the sixties and seventies looking for separate and unequal of course found it. But they would have found it at home had they opened their eyes, revealing the lie of what they were really about--denigrating the South, again, in order to save it (always great sport among Northern intellectuals) while ignoring the racist basis of their own cultures.
It's articles like this about the South, spouting the accepted wisdom of people who aren't wise but just prejudiced and self-righteous, that fill me with disgust.
Incidentally, how many Southern cities are fraught right now with Black protests at police brutality? And no, neither Baltimore or St. Louis qualify as Southern. And certainly neither does Chicago.
Right. And she couldn't have found separate and unequal in her own Chicago. Or a string of injustice she had previously only read about. Because Chicago was a paradigm of diverse cultures peacefully and equally abiding.
If the premises are wrong in a narrative then everything that follows is wrong. Those kids that came South in the sixties and seventies looking for separate and unequal of course found it. But they would have found it at home had they opened their eyes, revealing the lie of what they were really about--denigrating the South, again, in order to save it (always great sport among Northern intellectuals) while ignoring the racist basis of their own cultures.
It's articles like this about the South, spouting the accepted wisdom of people who aren't wise but just prejudiced and self-righteous, that fill me with disgust.
Incidentally, how many Southern cities are fraught right now with Black protests at police brutality? And no, neither Baltimore or St. Louis qualify as Southern. And certainly neither does Chicago.
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Perfectly stated. I live in Dothan but have been to Chicago dozens of times. Now there's a place where it's truly dehumanizing to be black. If Hillary was truly interested in finding justice for the disenfranchised she should've saved the money for her plane ticket, hotels, and rental car and used it right there in Chicago. Hillary Clinton is desperately searching for a narrative that distances herself from her uber-rich powerbase and the New York Times enjoys nothing more then portraying us all in the south as ignorant racist hillbillies.
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Mrs. Clinton is to be commended for the work she did in Alabama. It was only a few years earlier that civil rights workers were being assaulted and murdered by vicious racists. It seems that in the course of her life she's done it all. She's too cozy and buddy-buddy with the plutocrats in the financial industry, but I still think she has the potential to be a great President.
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"Work"? Really? Why didn't she go into the run-down housing projects of her own beloved Chicago and struggle for justice there? Now THAT would have been dangerous. I abhor racism whatever face it wears but I also detest the sport that this publication makes in portraying all of us from the south as ignorant racist hillbillies.
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You don't think that what she did was work? I think you're wearing blinders about the South's less than admirable past when it comes to race relations.
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I like Hillary and I'm glad to know about this episode from her past, but the article is as much about the fight against desegregation as it is about Hillary, and the NYT seems to be trying to stretch Hillary's involvement by association. I found the background on efforts to desegregate southern schools moving and revealing, but it felt out of balance in an article covering a brief period in Hillary's life--and under an Election 2016 heading.
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For those of you who are so eager to criticize Mrs. Clinton, exactly how many of you have done what she did? It's easier to sit on your couch and anonymously type away insults, than to actually DO something. And as much as I like, respect and agree with Senator Sanders, he is not electable. Look what happened to McGovern - the same will happen to Sanders if he wins the Democratic nomination. Is it fair? No. But it's reality and reality is the world I live in and I do not want to see any Republican win the presidential election simply because we dislike powerful and intelligent women.
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The reality of Hillary Clinton is hypocrisy. Otherwise she would not be the multi-millionaire she and her husband are today, while claiming to be a populists and just plain folks. Face it, there are rules for you and me, and no rules for Bill and Hillary. Vote for her, and you vote for more of the same.
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If she is the candidate and you don't vote for her, you can share the blame if a Republican wins. Do you really think her policies would not be better than the policies of anyone in the clown car?
I guarantee you that if she is the candidate, Bernie will vote for her!!!
I guarantee you that if she is the candidate, Bernie will vote for her!!!
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"How many have of you done what she did...actually DO something?"
First, please remember she's the one running for office, not your fellow readers. So it's her job and her problem to prove herself, etc., not vice versa. But if you're going to open that door, why haven't you led by example and offered us the benefit of your experience fighting the good fight. I'll be happy to listen with respect and without assumptions, which you seem to reluctant to do.
But if you insist: My family's Black and from the deep South. We've faced the KKK i.e., the white sheets and all of their horror. We were directly and literally threatened by them; stood up to them with dignity and somehow survived. That ought to be enough for you.
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First, please remember she's the one running for office, not your fellow readers. So it's her job and her problem to prove herself, etc., not vice versa. But if you're going to open that door, why haven't you led by example and offered us the benefit of your experience fighting the good fight. I'll be happy to listen with respect and without assumptions, which you seem to reluctant to do.
But if you insist: My family's Black and from the deep South. We've faced the KKK i.e., the white sheets and all of their horror. We were directly and literally threatened by them; stood up to them with dignity and somehow survived. That ought to be enough for you.
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And thus began a life of deceit.
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What does that even mean?
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It means the truth, in case you care to face it. Ask yourself: How did Hillary make $100,000 on a $1000 investment in cattle futures in less than one year when her husband was the governor of Arkansas?
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never been explained and probably never will be.
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And while Hillary was at Yale Law, and trying to prevent discrimination in the racially divided South, The Donald was at Club 54 trying to pick up women.
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To give Trump credit: he was giving them the best sex they ever had... Along with a copy of his book!
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3202153/Donald-Trump-AMAZING-bed...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3202153/Donald-Trump-AMAZING-bed...
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Despite her misleading claims, Hillary grew up in a very affluent Chicago suburb, Park Ridge, was very Republican (like her father) and even campaigned for Barry Goldwater. She apparently also did some detective work then, finding voter fraud evidence supporting Nixon against Kennedy for the 1960 election. (Good work Hillary - ventured into the South Side for that one!) Where is the NYT for this bit of history. Ask anyone from Chicago (like myself) if a Class President and "Most Likely to Succeed" from Maine East High School would know the blues. It's offensive to suggest otherwise, as she repeatedly does - and this continues to go unchecked by the media. When Bernie says the system is rigged, it resonates with those on the losing side. The winners, e.g. most politicians and professional journalists, can't seem to see it. The under-reporting of Sanders' remarkable success may simply be a "privileged perception" problem and not any sort of conspiracy.
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Hillary's early adventures as a Goldwater Girl have been well-documented. Thankfully, she matured and grew out of this primitive phase.
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A smart Jewish kid from Brooklyn, star athlete, some Hebrew private schooling, Univ. of Chicago education ..... smart, affable, coordinated, white and educated.
In what way is Sanders underprivileged or a surprise success?
In what way is Sanders underprivileged or a surprise success?
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Really, no comparison. Just Google map the Park Ridge address (235 Wisner St.) Hillary grew up and then the East 26th Street attic apartment where Bernie grew up. (Apt. 2C may be hard to see from Street View.) Flatbush is not Park Ridge. Hillary's father ran for Alderman! Bernie's father fled from Slopnice, Poland where all of his family (except his brother) were killed by the Nazis.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-100-brookl...
Yes. Bernie transferred to the UofC from Brooklyn College. I also transferred to (and somehow graduated from) UofC. It's not Ivy League. If for kids with pocket protectors (and many Asians), but not silver spoons. It's legit - like Bernie. Bernie was also my rep for seven years in VT...... Bernie bumper stickers were everywhere. (Who said he was a surprise success?) Yes, he is white and has a Y chromosome..... and the issue of his good coordination is just weird.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/25/us/politics/bernie-sanderss-100-brookl...
Yes. Bernie transferred to the UofC from Brooklyn College. I also transferred to (and somehow graduated from) UofC. It's not Ivy League. If for kids with pocket protectors (and many Asians), but not silver spoons. It's legit - like Bernie. Bernie was also my rep for seven years in VT...... Bernie bumper stickers were everywhere. (Who said he was a surprise success?) Yes, he is white and has a Y chromosome..... and the issue of his good coordination is just weird.
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What Clinton did in Dothan, Alabama took real courage. This is a heartening story about Secretary Clinton's political origins.
Unfortunately, the New York Times has sufficiently compromised the objectivity of its coverage of the Democratic presidential race to make many readers-- this one included-- view it as an ongoing attempt to create a Clinton hagiography.
Unfortunately, the New York Times has sufficiently compromised the objectivity of its coverage of the Democratic presidential race to make many readers-- this one included-- view it as an ongoing attempt to create a Clinton hagiography.
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Many of the readers who are commenting here are truly in denial. In denial of the facts that Hillary Clinton has by far the longest track record of working for the common good--more than any other person who is campaigning for the presidency. Flawed? Of course, but where is the "perfect" candidate in the field. By virtue of her experience, her public service, and her intelligence, she is th best candidate by a long shot. All the others should considered stragglers. But, of course, some NYT readers persist in an obtuse denial. The same denial that defeated Al Gore. Why?
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So her track record extends to 1971 while Mr. Sanders' to 1961?
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The New York Times engaged in open warfare against Al Gore. At least the Times, excluding Maureen Dowd, is treating Hillary a little fairer this time around.
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A town of nearly 40,000 in the early 1970s was hardly physically dangerous to a professional white woman. But it is important to point out. White flight resulted in segregated schools from California to Boston. It diminishes the crime of segregation to present it as a southern-only thing. The south had private, usually "christian" affiliated all - white schools, other parts of the country had white flight. When busing began in Los Angeles, in Boston and other places, violence erupted, and , more private schools established.
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Southerners just choose a different, regional way to isolate their children from the "bad influences" of poor, dysfunctional or violent blacks. They built these "private academies".
But the Northeast had its own methods -- there are so many, I couldn't list them all. Private exclusive prep schools that poor folks can never afford. Gerrymandered school districts (NYC, ahem). 5 acre lot minimums in suburbs that make the least expensive house far too costly for any but the upper classes. Very high local property taxes, that also make it impossible for the poor or working class to ever move in.
The truth is that today, MORE children attend segregated schools than in 1965. The schools that my PARENTS attended in the 1930s were more integrated than the schools that exist TODAY in 2015. The most segregated state is not Alabama, but NEW YORK STATE. The most segregated schools in America are in NEW YORK CITY.
Why not talk about THAT? Instead the Grey Lady continues to harp on integration in the SOUTH, reliving the glory days of Civil Rights legislation in the 60s, when they were pure and holy and completely in the right, and the "other guys" completely wrong. It is a different era today and a different reality, but the NYT is living in the past.
But the Northeast had its own methods -- there are so many, I couldn't list them all. Private exclusive prep schools that poor folks can never afford. Gerrymandered school districts (NYC, ahem). 5 acre lot minimums in suburbs that make the least expensive house far too costly for any but the upper classes. Very high local property taxes, that also make it impossible for the poor or working class to ever move in.
The truth is that today, MORE children attend segregated schools than in 1965. The schools that my PARENTS attended in the 1930s were more integrated than the schools that exist TODAY in 2015. The most segregated state is not Alabama, but NEW YORK STATE. The most segregated schools in America are in NEW YORK CITY.
Why not talk about THAT? Instead the Grey Lady continues to harp on integration in the SOUTH, reliving the glory days of Civil Rights legislation in the 60s, when they were pure and holy and completely in the right, and the "other guys" completely wrong. It is a different era today and a different reality, but the NYT is living in the past.
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"A town of nearly 40,000 in the early 1970s was hardly physically dangerous to a professional white woman."
That should read, "professional white woman lying and working undercover to deceive and sabotage Southern white supremacy."
Mrs Clinton's youthful escapade would seem absolutely "physically dangerous" to any of us that grew up in the Deep South. What state is Cass County in anyway?
That should read, "professional white woman lying and working undercover to deceive and sabotage Southern white supremacy."
Mrs Clinton's youthful escapade would seem absolutely "physically dangerous" to any of us that grew up in the Deep South. What state is Cass County in anyway?
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"A town of nearly 40,000 in the early 1970's was hardly physically dangerous to a professional white woman."
That's quite a "whitewashing" of history. It was less than 10 years before that civil rights activists were attacked with dogs, firehoses, clubs and guns. Any number of white professionals were murdered by the vicious racists of the South. I wonder if Cheney and the rest of the Republican he-men would ever have displayed Hillary's guts. It's amazing to me how unwilling Hillary haters are to give her any credit for anything.
That's quite a "whitewashing" of history. It was less than 10 years before that civil rights activists were attacked with dogs, firehoses, clubs and guns. Any number of white professionals were murdered by the vicious racists of the South. I wonder if Cheney and the rest of the Republican he-men would ever have displayed Hillary's guts. It's amazing to me how unwilling Hillary haters are to give her any credit for anything.
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My Atlanta neighborhood was built in 1968, to enable the "white flight" migration. I'm not a big fan of Mrs Clinton the politician, but she has worked harder than most politicians to make the world a better place.
Driving alone for eight hours in 1972, to deceive Southerners, was not only altruistic, but foolhardy.
I wish modern politics would allow her to be more like the idealist than the cut-throat high-roller. But, our system is set up so that idealists don't have a chance at public office.
Driving alone for eight hours in 1972, to deceive Southerners, was not only altruistic, but foolhardy.
I wish modern politics would allow her to be more like the idealist than the cut-throat high-roller. But, our system is set up so that idealists don't have a chance at public office.
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The stories of white flight in Atlanta and elsewhere suppress the truth of serious urban violence and social disorder and dysfunction that had much to do with choices people made -- including black people -- to get away from urban poverty. By 1968, Atlanta wasn't livable in many parts; violent crime was out of control: if you want to tell the truth, tell all of it.
So HRC campaigned for Goldwater 50 years ago, I did not know progressives believed in original sin. I was a Goldwater fan then, and had been convinced the Communist were going to send us all to the Gulag, but if you lived in those times, and had not had the education that I got later, and had been in the Korean Police Action, liberal thought was hard to come by. Most of my income depended on the industrial military cabal.
So was I to give up a good job working on DEW Line transmitters because ti was too clost to the war machine?
Even when the Iranians took over the U.S. Embassy, I thought it was an act of war, and that Eisenhower was a good guy. It took academics to delve into the relationships between the U.S. Britain BP, Shell, and ARAMCO, before I learned the facts.
So I suppose just like HRC, I should be held to account for those original sins.
I doubt most of you are so pure and simple, that you have always been on the right side f history.
So was I to give up a good job working on DEW Line transmitters because ti was too clost to the war machine?
Even when the Iranians took over the U.S. Embassy, I thought it was an act of war, and that Eisenhower was a good guy. It took academics to delve into the relationships between the U.S. Britain BP, Shell, and ARAMCO, before I learned the facts.
So I suppose just like HRC, I should be held to account for those original sins.
I doubt most of you are so pure and simple, that you have always been on the right side f history.
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Hillary ought to be celebrated if not positively cherished for all of her efforts over many decades advancing causes that are dear to those on the left. Instead she's castigated and her motives are held suspect. Sad!
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The main causes for which Hillary has worked all these years are (a) her own, and her spouse's, enrichment; and (b) power, which is just a means to (a).
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Sorry, John, but you're just plain wrong here.
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Hillary Clinton spent most of her public life working along with her brother selling access to Bill Clinton in exchange for money and favors.
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Look at all the pictures online of Mrs Clinton marching in support of civil rights
http://tinyurl.com/oy9mwb2
Oops.....I mean walking the picket line http://tinyurl.com/pjd2ylk
Er....well...
http://tinyurl.com/oy9mwb2
Oops.....I mean walking the picket line http://tinyurl.com/pjd2ylk
Er....well...
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Google image search is not exactly in-depth research.
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Caliban, when did you last see any photographs of Mrs. Clinton's 1972 visits to segregation academies in Selma?
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While all of the other candidates push fear and negativity, complaints and anger; Hillary is the only candidate who has put forward a positive vision for the country.
I'm tired of every Republican saying that ISIS has already invaded and Obama is a disaster, without ever saying anything positive about anyone or anything.
They are the Grinches who stole 2015, and are revved up to do the same in 2016.
Bill Clinton's best quality as President was his ability to inspire people to dream and accomplish - which is why Republicans hate him so much. They are the party of suppression and oppression, fear and putdowns.
You can hear it in the candidates, and you can read it in these comments. Read them !!! Try to find the positive message. Good luck.
I'm tired of every Republican saying that ISIS has already invaded and Obama is a disaster, without ever saying anything positive about anyone or anything.
They are the Grinches who stole 2015, and are revved up to do the same in 2016.
Bill Clinton's best quality as President was his ability to inspire people to dream and accomplish - which is why Republicans hate him so much. They are the party of suppression and oppression, fear and putdowns.
You can hear it in the candidates, and you can read it in these comments. Read them !!! Try to find the positive message. Good luck.
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Yes, the positive vision of endless war in the Middle East and Africa, total corporate power, ever-increasing wealth inequality, banks and international capitalism having de facto ruling power over us and foreigners as well ... such a "positive" vision.
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Fran says - "While all of the other candidates push fear and negativity, complaints and anger; Hillary is the only candidate who has put forward a positive vision for the country."
Aren't you, just like the NY Times, ignoring another Democratic candidate when you say that? I would think you might want to recognize that another Democrat, Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vt) has put forward a positive vision for the country as well. In fact, I would argue that his plan is arguably more clearly stated and honest than others.
Aren't you, just like the NY Times, ignoring another Democratic candidate when you say that? I would think you might want to recognize that another Democrat, Senator Bernie Sanders (D-Vt) has put forward a positive vision for the country as well. In fact, I would argue that his plan is arguably more clearly stated and honest than others.
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CAF,
Keep proving my point.
As negative as it is inaccurate.
Keep proving my point.
As negative as it is inaccurate.
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I assume, in the interests of equal time, we'll get a NYT story this week about a ten-year-old Chris Christie stealing donuts from a Dunkin's that same summer of '72 - and, then, messing with the vehicle flow of the drive-thru lanes, by pretending to be a traffic cone.
Donald Trump was twenty-six, that summer. I think he was evicting his first elderly couple from buildings he owned in Queens, and in the throes of converting a nunnery into a bowling alley/microbrewery, on the Lower East Side. Melania was just two, at the time. Something creepy here, just waiting for the NYT to shine the light of objective truth upon it.
BTW, Nelson Mandela was - that summer - about midway through his 18-year imprisonment on Robben island - also fighting for the Cause. D'ya think they ever served him "...a lunch of sweetened ice tea and burgers..." during his stay?
I do realize, though, how much rougher the stay at a small-town chain hotel must've been.
Donald Trump was twenty-six, that summer. I think he was evicting his first elderly couple from buildings he owned in Queens, and in the throes of converting a nunnery into a bowling alley/microbrewery, on the Lower East Side. Melania was just two, at the time. Something creepy here, just waiting for the NYT to shine the light of objective truth upon it.
BTW, Nelson Mandela was - that summer - about midway through his 18-year imprisonment on Robben island - also fighting for the Cause. D'ya think they ever served him "...a lunch of sweetened ice tea and burgers..." during his stay?
I do realize, though, how much rougher the stay at a small-town chain hotel must've been.
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I have not seen any articles like this about any of the other candidates, republican or Democrat. What's the deal? Be fair, be consistent. Please.
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If you can find a story like this about one of the Republican candidates please do although based on the debates other than Lindsey Graham who just bowed out I doubt you won't. As to Bernie I've read a number of Bernie history/background stories in the Times over the last few months.
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Every candidate -- every human being -- is a mixture of good and bad, in varying measures. And each of us would judge those good or bad qualities differently.
Unfortunately the NYT now only sees with blinders on. No journalism, no objective distance -- just stumping relentlessly for their gal Hillary.
What I see here is a grad student, doing something that was at the time very "politically correct" for a liberal student to be doing. Her husband was already gunning for a political career, and this kind of volunteerism on the part of his future First Lady would "look good on a resume". I do not see it as sincere.
It also involves no risks at all. A quiet small town -- no violence or lynchings -- Hillary was never in any danger or threatened. She did a little investigating, nothing came of it. It's really nothing worth an article -- maybe a PARAGRAPH in a larger piece.
Unfortunately the NYT now only sees with blinders on. No journalism, no objective distance -- just stumping relentlessly for their gal Hillary.
What I see here is a grad student, doing something that was at the time very "politically correct" for a liberal student to be doing. Her husband was already gunning for a political career, and this kind of volunteerism on the part of his future First Lady would "look good on a resume". I do not see it as sincere.
It also involves no risks at all. A quiet small town -- no violence or lynchings -- Hillary was never in any danger or threatened. She did a little investigating, nothing came of it. It's really nothing worth an article -- maybe a PARAGRAPH in a larger piece.
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The NY Times has run some very damaging stories about Clinton, including the false claim that she was being criminally investigated, which she is not. The NY Times is hardly in the tank for Hillary.
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Mrs. Clinton has shown a genuine empathy and understanding for Americans who have had to confront racism, bigotry and intolerance of all types.
Some of my fellow commenters who favor Mr. Sanders should show the same empathy and understanding with their quick criticism of Mrs. Clinton in their haste to support their candidate.
The Republicans primary candidates would eat their young to get a vote.
We Democrats and Independents don't need to stoop to their level of campaigning and we should be a little more tolerant and accepting of the differences between Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Sanders and Mr. O'Mally.
Some of my fellow commenters who favor Mr. Sanders should show the same empathy and understanding with their quick criticism of Mrs. Clinton in their haste to support their candidate.
The Republicans primary candidates would eat their young to get a vote.
We Democrats and Independents don't need to stoop to their level of campaigning and we should be a little more tolerant and accepting of the differences between Mrs. Clinton, Mr. Sanders and Mr. O'Mally.
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Sure, but can you see how a Sanders or an O'Malley supporter could be embittered by the manner in which the media has covered these races and candidates? Sanders isn't mentioned in this article, but he was an early civil rights supporter. Will we see a similarly flattering piece on his background?
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I am a Sanders supporter and Hillary supporters need to understand that we are not of the same family. Hillary Clinton is for all practical purposes a Republican. She has no business running as a Democrat. I didn't vote for George W. Bush's foreign and other policies when he ran on them, and I am not going to vote for them now that she is running on them.
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I'm sure your purity will be rewarded with a fine Repub representing your views. It worked for those who voted for Nader in 2000.
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Why did she go all the way to Alabama? All she just had to walk out her dorm room and do a study of New Haven. She would have found the same thing. Blacks in public schools, whites in private schools (those who hadn't moved to the lily-white suburbs).
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I'd like to hear more from the NY Times about Chelsea's years in the D.C. public schools while Hillary was in the White House the first time.
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Amen! Or NYC when Hillary was Senator.
So easy to look down on "other people in those awful Southern States....you know....people who ARE NOT LIKE US!"
Bill and Hillary never sent Chelsea to any poor, black, inner city schools. When in the White House, they could have sent her to DC schools (like Amy Carter a few years earlier!) but they didn't -- they choose to send Chelsea to the fanciest upscale private school with almost all white kids. JUST LIKE THE OBAMA'S have done with Sasha and Malia.
So easy to look down on "other people in those awful Southern States....you know....people who ARE NOT LIKE US!"
Bill and Hillary never sent Chelsea to any poor, black, inner city schools. When in the White House, they could have sent her to DC schools (like Amy Carter a few years earlier!) but they didn't -- they choose to send Chelsea to the fanciest upscale private school with almost all white kids. JUST LIKE THE OBAMA'S have done with Sasha and Malia.
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The 2016 election is going to be the most important one of our lives, and I state that as 70 year old. I am going to support Hillary Clinton. I will do so, because I think Bernie Sanders, good man that he is cannot win against a Republican. I just cannot be convinced that this country has progressed far enough for a democratic socialist to be elected. I just cannot see him doing well in the swing states.
Trump is playing well not only to disaffected Conservatives, but to some alienated Democrats as well. If we don't pull together as progressives and liberals in this next election, we could end up with a Republican President and a Congress that is controlled by Republicans. That is a nightmare scenario for me. Imagine waking up after the election to find any of the Republican contenders as the newly elected President.
I too am wondering what happened to the idealistic young Hillary. Then I think, well, life happened, politics happened, money happened. However, she has great intelligence and experience and is definitely tough and seasoned. We could do worse - much, much worse. Please think about it. I am just going to grit my teeth and be practical and hope that sometime in my lifetime, I will be able to vote for an FDR, and that person will win by a landslide. 2016 is not that "sometime".
Trump is playing well not only to disaffected Conservatives, but to some alienated Democrats as well. If we don't pull together as progressives and liberals in this next election, we could end up with a Republican President and a Congress that is controlled by Republicans. That is a nightmare scenario for me. Imagine waking up after the election to find any of the Republican contenders as the newly elected President.
I too am wondering what happened to the idealistic young Hillary. Then I think, well, life happened, politics happened, money happened. However, she has great intelligence and experience and is definitely tough and seasoned. We could do worse - much, much worse. Please think about it. I am just going to grit my teeth and be practical and hope that sometime in my lifetime, I will be able to vote for an FDR, and that person will win by a landslide. 2016 is not that "sometime".
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The reason you think Sanders can't win is because the media outlets, including this one, are whiting out the facts. They don't talk about what the Republicans have researched and will release in multi million dollar ad campaigns. They think, and a lot of voters like you think, if no big scandal comes out right now, it will be smooth sailing in the general election. Not so.
The DNC which is rigging this election is taking a huge gamble, quite frankly, they are literally gambling with the future of our planet, by banking on Hillary beating any Republican they might nominate. But if they are wrong, the consequences will be catastrophic. Are you prepared to live in an evangelical country? To wage perpetual war in the Middle East? To take women's rights back to the early 20th century? To keep fighting measures to reign in climate change until it really is to late to do anything about it?Because that's where it's all going, with any of the Republican candidates.
Clinton is a terribly vulnerable candidate and it's made worse by letting voters only discover this after they have nominated her. Sanders and O'Malley may be wearing kid gloves in the debates, the Republican opponent won't and that's when you'll all realize what you have done.
The DNC which is rigging this election is taking a huge gamble, quite frankly, they are literally gambling with the future of our planet, by banking on Hillary beating any Republican they might nominate. But if they are wrong, the consequences will be catastrophic. Are you prepared to live in an evangelical country? To wage perpetual war in the Middle East? To take women's rights back to the early 20th century? To keep fighting measures to reign in climate change until it really is to late to do anything about it?Because that's where it's all going, with any of the Republican candidates.
Clinton is a terribly vulnerable candidate and it's made worse by letting voters only discover this after they have nominated her. Sanders and O'Malley may be wearing kid gloves in the debates, the Republican opponent won't and that's when you'll all realize what you have done.
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Certainly I do not want a Republican President. If you look at a map of how states vote in elections you will see a sea of Red. Colorado is now purple. The liberal enclaves in the bigger towns would support Bernie Sanders. The rest of the states? If you have numbers from Iowa, Florida, Pennsylvania, and Ohio supporting Bernie Sanders against a Republican candidate, please share them. I sincerely mean that. I have searched for them.
I am not a Hillary fan, but am trying to be realistic. I am hoping that if we at least retain control of the White House a more liberal candidate would have a real shot at being elected President on that person's heels. We are not Canada yet, but I have some hope we are headed in that direction. If we lose this time, that will probably not happen in my lifetime.
I am not a Hillary fan, but am trying to be realistic. I am hoping that if we at least retain control of the White House a more liberal candidate would have a real shot at being elected President on that person's heels. We are not Canada yet, but I have some hope we are headed in that direction. If we lose this time, that will probably not happen in my lifetime.
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Diana, bless your heart for your sincerity! With your 70 years of wisdom, and your commitment to progressive and liberal canon, please consider that the progressive vision is held ransom to election agendas. Boomers such as you and me have invested too much energy into "us good, them evil" philandering. The facts are that under Democrats, big banks and Wall Street do better than under Republicans. The facts are that the South at the time that Ms. Clinton was investigating was solidly Democrat, and decidedly segregationist.
I submit to you that voting for Ms. Clinton is a vote *against* progressive ideals, because by every measure the realization of those ideals is farther away now than it was when you were born.
I submit to you that voting for Ms. Clinton is a vote *against* progressive ideals, because by every measure the realization of those ideals is farther away now than it was when you were born.
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There is much in Ms. Clinton's past that make me comfortable, even excited to vote for her, not the least of which is her depth and breadth of experience in government. Bring on the first female President of the United States.
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Is this supposed to make up for the support Hillary put behind welfare reform and prison sentencing legislation in the 90's under her husbands tenure, that disproportionately targeted blacks?
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Isn't the USA ever going to solve our huge numbers of prejudices against other Americans in this large and mostly educated Society?
For every possible difference that a human could have, it seems there is some reason for looking down on someone else.
It is Centuries of Time wasted already, so I'd like to see some force in the laws, finally.
For every possible difference that a human could have, it seems there is some reason for looking down on someone else.
It is Centuries of Time wasted already, so I'd like to see some force in the laws, finally.
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"Force"? What like Star Wars? It's easy to condemn everyone else while offering no real solutions yourself. The internet is full of condemnation without solutions. Enforce the laws yourself.
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Why is it that the comments threads do a better and fuller job of exposing Hillary Clinton's real history in public life than the Times' articles themselves?
NYT: Perhaps its time to go ahead and emphasize the comments over the articles ... just publish the articles in fine print, on a sidebar, and devote 3/4 of the page to the comments.
NYT: Perhaps its time to go ahead and emphasize the comments over the articles ... just publish the articles in fine print, on a sidebar, and devote 3/4 of the page to the comments.
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As soon as I see the headline, I know a Hillary hagiographic piece is comi9ng and move straight to the comments to get a proximation of what really this is all about.
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@O'Brien: Me too!
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What has been truly inspiring is the way Mrs. Clinton has shared the millions of dollars showered on her and her husband Bill since they left office in 2000 - with members of disadvantaged minorities.
Oops. That did not happen. But she intends to do so. Soon. Real soon.
Oops. That did not happen. But she intends to do so. Soon. Real soon.
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To criticize the Clinton's for wealth not shared with the poor completely ignores the important work that the Clinton Foundation does around the world. Bill Clinton's office is in Harlem, not on Wall Street.
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That would be the "important work" paid for with a whole 15% of what the money-launderers - oops, I mean the Foundation - rakes in? As documented in this very newspaper?
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That is a discredited slur. Check it out.
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I will be so very proud to have Hillary Clinton as our next President of the United States and leader of the free world.
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Did you mean "the fee world?"
$250K per pep talk to some elite group of corporatists where she promises that for them, things won't change for the worse.
$250K per pep talk to some elite group of corporatists where she promises that for them, things won't change for the worse.
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She never was, is not, and never will be a leader. She intends to be a ruler. There is a huge difference. Get to know it.
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Shouldn't this be labeled a "native article" under the new FTC rules? It reads like an political add for Hilary. Am I supposed to now donate some money to her campaign?
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The term is "native advertising," and no, this is actually reporting.
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It's the impossible mission. Negative articles upset supporters who resent the many pseudo scandals manufactured by the GOP that overshadow her true record. Positive articles annoy those who are convinced she is a lying, conniving, greedy, and power hungry person. The article was basically descriptive-- not laudatory-- but indeed, it might inspire a voter who did not know the facts about Hillary Clinton's activism related to child welfare, education and voting rights.
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"Donate" means "It up to you as you wish". Thank you for the thought Dominik! NY time wrote very well and fair article about Hillary Clinton & Alabama.
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A rich white woman expected a symbolic involvement with minorities? Nowadays it's commonplace for some involvement with poor people in rural America or Africa, it doesn't really matter- it's all resume padding.
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She wasn't a rich woman at that time, if you look into it, you'll see that her family was a lower middle class. After leaving the White House she and Bill Clinton were broke. She got what she has now through good education, character and work. That's a truly American way. Where would Donald Trump be without that first million from his father?
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You really believe they were broke when they left the White House? I've got a great bridge for sale, you can get it cheap.
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That is the most ludicrous thing I have read in all of these comments. First, she comes from a VERY upper middle class family. She got what she has through "good education etc etc."??? She got what she has through multimillion dollar fees for speeches and huge donations from nefarious foreign interests pouring into her husband's foundation while she was Sec of State.
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As someone who graduated from this school, I am happy to see acknowledgement regarding the social forces at work during the founding of this school and the many others similar to it. Understanding the history is important for any of its students. I am also happy to see the strides that the school has made for diversity in modern times that make me a proud alumnus.
Similarly, kudos to Mrs. Clinton for performing such apparently dangerous work for civil rights in 1972, but I would like to see more in modern times to get my vote.
Similarly, kudos to Mrs. Clinton for performing such apparently dangerous work for civil rights in 1972, but I would like to see more in modern times to get my vote.
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It wasn't dangerous. The people insisting here that scores of white activists were being murdered are lying -- to themselves or to us. A very, very few were killed years earlier. Based on a great deal of academic research of largely suppressed and studiously ignored narratives of the civil rights movement, I'd say a woman, black or white, would run a much higher risk being assaulted by a movement colleague -- and a thousand times more by a common criminal -- by the 70's the Black Panthers and the Weathermen were the only people attacking civil rights workers. Funny, right? It is true, however, that by 1972, violent crime was tearing apart cities and thousands were being murdered by criminals. But the Times has spent years siding with those killers and suppressing the truth about crime. However, this level of fantasy is a new one, even for them.
NYT, have you officially endorsed her, or are you just preparing us for that event?
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They are not "preparing us" the Times is serving its purpose in this election, which is guaranteeing daily or more frequent free press to its parent organization, the Hillary Clinton campaign media arm.
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I am hoping to see a screed in due time concerning Hills plans to keep he her sexist, misogynistic hubby under wraps.
Or will the Clintonian soap opera be revived?
Or will the Clintonian soap opera be revived?
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What would have kept black people out “would have been the tuition,” Dr. Olliff said. “Not ‘you’re black, you can’t come in.’ ”
Hard to read these comments from educators and PhDs. Whites Only signs may have come down but were replaced with everything else to hold blacks back. Southern denial.
Hard to read these comments from educators and PhDs. Whites Only signs may have come down but were replaced with everything else to hold blacks back. Southern denial.
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Let's be real - "Whites Only" signs were quite visible still in many places in the South in 1972. They weren't symbolic, they really had the words "whites only."
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In Chicago and in D.C., the "Whites Only" signs are invisible, but everybody knows where they are. In 1972 and now.
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I lived in North Carolina for a few years when my Dad was in the Army. (Not Mark). I never saw a White's Only sign there or in South Carolina when we took him to the Airbase at Charleston. We lived there in the early 70's.
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Anyone familiar with the Civil Rights movement knows the name of Marian Wright Edelman. Not only was she the first Black woman to ever pass the Bar exam in Mississippi, but she served as legal consul for the NAACP and was extremely instrumental in fighting for voting right for thousands of African-Americans in the rural south. Her contributions to the movement are incalculable. That Ms. Clinton had anything at all to do with her in any capacity, already speaks volumes.
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Her husband resigned from the Clinton Administration in protest of the policies Hillary was certainly happy with then, which made black poverty in America ever so much worse.
I think it speaks much more loudly that she sat on the board of Wal-Mart while the company relied on public subsidies (food stamps) to feeds its employees, they were so underpaid.
I think it speaks much more loudly that she sat on the board of Wal-Mart while the company relied on public subsidies (food stamps) to feeds its employees, they were so underpaid.
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Bill Clinton fought to keep the GOP Congress' version Welfare Reform from being worse than it was...he vetoed it twice, fought to keep funding for food stamps, child care and medicaid; he also fought to keep federal stipulations for food stamps so that states could not limit eligibility.
The 1996 Welfare Reform legislation was a compromise and not what Clinton himself would have designed. Clinton also passed a 21% increase in the minimum wage. Poverty levels actually did improve the 2 years immediately following passage of Welfare Reform but as the economy began to falter, the poor were primarily affected and poverty began to increase.
There are many factors that contribute to poverty in the U.S. as well as aspects of welfare that could be improved, for instance, availability of good job training, excellent child care and mental health care. To re-write history and imply that the Bill Clinton, with Hillary's fervent support, passed welfare reforms that he wrote, designed to disadvantage the poor, is just plain false.
Anyone who takes the time to study Mrs. Clinton's true record will find the long career of a hard working civil servant, praised for her activism and legislation on behalf of underprivileged children, education, health care, and women's rights.
The 1996 Welfare Reform legislation was a compromise and not what Clinton himself would have designed. Clinton also passed a 21% increase in the minimum wage. Poverty levels actually did improve the 2 years immediately following passage of Welfare Reform but as the economy began to falter, the poor were primarily affected and poverty began to increase.
There are many factors that contribute to poverty in the U.S. as well as aspects of welfare that could be improved, for instance, availability of good job training, excellent child care and mental health care. To re-write history and imply that the Bill Clinton, with Hillary's fervent support, passed welfare reforms that he wrote, designed to disadvantage the poor, is just plain false.
Anyone who takes the time to study Mrs. Clinton's true record will find the long career of a hard working civil servant, praised for her activism and legislation on behalf of underprivileged children, education, health care, and women's rights.
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@CAF
You are of course welcome to your own opinion. But that does not take away from brilliant work of Marian Wright Edelman, who was the real focus of my comment. And with this in mind, you might try to read it again.
You are of course welcome to your own opinion. But that does not take away from brilliant work of Marian Wright Edelman, who was the real focus of my comment. And with this in mind, you might try to read it again.
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A beautiful symmetry. Now Mrs. Clinton is undercover posing as a candidate who pretends to stand for something.
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I am able to contain my enthusiasm about Hillary Clinton--a bit of a hawk for my taste--but if you check, which you won't, she's stood for something pretty much like this her whole career, all the way back to when she campaigned for Republicans.
Sorry. Reality and stuff, y'know?
Sorry. Reality and stuff, y'know?
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Yea, unlike Trump et all who do nothing but fight for the rights of billionaires to buy public offices, and laws.
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“We need more police, we need more and tougher prison sentences for repeat offenders. The three strikes and you’re out for violent offenders has to be part of the plan. We need more prisons to keep violent offenders for as long as it takes to keep them off the streets.”
-HRC 1994
A momentary lapse, no doubt
-HRC 1994
A momentary lapse, no doubt
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About a decade ago, my daughter and son-in-law worked as TFA teachers in the Delta. The schools were 98% Black. (My daughter had one White student, who was a foster child, whose foster parents could not pay tuition for private school.)
My daughter said most White people sent their kids to private schools, which were not necessarily high quality. They existed mainly to maintain segregation.
White Southerners' solution still exists. Segregation is still with us.
My daughter said most White people sent their kids to private schools, which were not necessarily high quality. They existed mainly to maintain segregation.
White Southerners' solution still exists. Segregation is still with us.
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What a bunch of baloney to say the South holds a monopoly on tacit segregation today. From Westchester to Brookline, MA, whites parents are sending their children to private schools where blacks only have a token presence. How hypocritical and haughty can northern liberals get?!
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Yup. Hypocrisy and baloney writ large. Even the Obama family sends its kids to private schools to avoid the D.C. public schools, which are overwhelmingly black or Hispanic. Nor did Chelsea attend he D.C. public schools, either.
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Yeah, Mass schools are a model of integration!
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Clinton declined interview. Best let this one rest or someone may delve more deeply into multiple contradictions through the years. Weak article in defining what activism truly consisted of in the segregated South. Not a good idea for Clinton promotion, I would say, as one who is presently in their sixties. and attended public grammar schools in the impoverished deep South.
Clinton sticks with her wealthy cohorts, loves the idea of charity for those whose cups run over and who must give to even their ledgers, while receiving government pay outs in tax returns. She managed to get a few pencils and tablets distributed, good. Unfortunately, even that didn't last.
How about living wages so people can live dignified lives, improve schools through their own charity donations. I would so enjoy hearing a story line for Clinton regarding history of activism for living wages in the south, but there isn't one because she was busy schmoozing with the likes of poverty wage corporations-Tyson Chicken, and sitting on the boards of Walmart, where no one was thought to deserve wages for their work when government programs would suffice in allowing workers to survive, maybe, from one day into the next.
Clinton sticks with her wealthy cohorts, loves the idea of charity for those whose cups run over and who must give to even their ledgers, while receiving government pay outs in tax returns. She managed to get a few pencils and tablets distributed, good. Unfortunately, even that didn't last.
How about living wages so people can live dignified lives, improve schools through their own charity donations. I would so enjoy hearing a story line for Clinton regarding history of activism for living wages in the south, but there isn't one because she was busy schmoozing with the likes of poverty wage corporations-Tyson Chicken, and sitting on the boards of Walmart, where no one was thought to deserve wages for their work when government programs would suffice in allowing workers to survive, maybe, from one day into the next.
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Thank God that the NYT managed to find a spot of positive activism in Mrs. Clinton's distance past. Otherwise we would be tempted to think that candidate Clinton is the one who sat on Walmart board - one of the greatest exploiters of women, mostly people of color. (and anti-union zealous).
This NYT story would help us forget that Clinton represents the interests of the most powerful banks and financial institutions, the same who took advantage on mostly poor African-Americans when selling sub-prime mortgages causing the economic collapse of 2008, depriving millions of pensions, homes and housing. (All followed Mr. Clintons' deregulation frenzy).
Last we might even forget that Mrs. Clinton passionately campaigned - with her husband - for the passing of the most notorious "tough-on-crime" laws that put disproportionately large numbers of African-Americans behind bars, greatly extending Regan's mass incarceration of the poor as part of the "war on drugs".
Last, she didn't excatlly stood up when President Clinton deprived millions of welfare while dismantling LBJ's 'Great Society' project.
Thanks to the NYT there is no doubt; Mrs. Clinton was a true civil right fighter (for few months in the seventies). We are all ready for her coronation.
This NYT story would help us forget that Clinton represents the interests of the most powerful banks and financial institutions, the same who took advantage on mostly poor African-Americans when selling sub-prime mortgages causing the economic collapse of 2008, depriving millions of pensions, homes and housing. (All followed Mr. Clintons' deregulation frenzy).
Last we might even forget that Mrs. Clinton passionately campaigned - with her husband - for the passing of the most notorious "tough-on-crime" laws that put disproportionately large numbers of African-Americans behind bars, greatly extending Regan's mass incarceration of the poor as part of the "war on drugs".
Last, she didn't excatlly stood up when President Clinton deprived millions of welfare while dismantling LBJ's 'Great Society' project.
Thanks to the NYT there is no doubt; Mrs. Clinton was a true civil right fighter (for few months in the seventies). We are all ready for her coronation.
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The real question is why focus on a few months when a very young Hillary worked for an anti-segregation group. Why not focus on the YEARS she spent on the board of Walmart....did she argue for higher wages? a union? full time jobs? paid vacation and sick leave? HEALTH INSURANCE for all Walmart workers?
Hmmm....guess not.
Hmmm....guess not.
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This is a remarkable article, telling a tale of ingenuity, determination and compassion by Mrs. Clinton.
My biggest concern with this article is not the subject matter, but the pattern of reporting it continues. Mrs. Clinton has been the subject of positive uplifting prominent articles ( now that the "email" issue seems to have receded). OK. But I have yet to see an article detailing a positive experience about any of the Republican candidates. Let's forget about Trump. There are a lot of positive stories to tell about the lives of most Republican candidates. To be fair and objective, the paper should do research, just as it has with Mrs. Clinton, to report on such aspects. I am not talking about minimizing focus on troubling aspects of any candidate's background, I am simply talking balance.
It is not the paper's role to promote the positive accomplishments of a single candidate to the exclusion of others. Each of these people, regardless of their political philosophy, have accomplished something remarkable which has contributed to the fact that they are now serious presidential candidates. That is an amazing accomplishment for any human being.
Therefor, if the paper chooses to make a practice of researching a candidates background to find positive accomplishments, it should do so for all. ( Just as it owes it to readers to reveal area of concern in every candidates background).
We need to know the good and the bad, equally balanced, about all of them.
My biggest concern with this article is not the subject matter, but the pattern of reporting it continues. Mrs. Clinton has been the subject of positive uplifting prominent articles ( now that the "email" issue seems to have receded). OK. But I have yet to see an article detailing a positive experience about any of the Republican candidates. Let's forget about Trump. There are a lot of positive stories to tell about the lives of most Republican candidates. To be fair and objective, the paper should do research, just as it has with Mrs. Clinton, to report on such aspects. I am not talking about minimizing focus on troubling aspects of any candidate's background, I am simply talking balance.
It is not the paper's role to promote the positive accomplishments of a single candidate to the exclusion of others. Each of these people, regardless of their political philosophy, have accomplished something remarkable which has contributed to the fact that they are now serious presidential candidates. That is an amazing accomplishment for any human being.
Therefor, if the paper chooses to make a practice of researching a candidates background to find positive accomplishments, it should do so for all. ( Just as it owes it to readers to reveal area of concern in every candidates background).
We need to know the good and the bad, equally balanced, about all of them.
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Terrific comment. Why don't you start the ball rolling and make a short list, maybe three things, that you know of or can find out about that any of the Republican candidates have accomplished without a political agenda to deserve praise and recognition for. So to be clear, an actual postive accomplishment, not for example, Rubio undermining Obamacare.
Good luck.
Good luck.
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The article was about accomplishments long before a political career. That is what I want to read about, and each one of them has a story. For example, maybe an article could be written about Mr. Rubio's remarkable rise from the son of refugees and the determination which enabled him to complete his education.
Yes, all Republicans have political motives. But no more than those of Mrs. Clinton stretching back to her husband's campaign of the 90's. No one candidate of either party can pretend to occupy the moral high ground.
All I want are balanced stories about the personal accomplishments of all candidates which led to their political lives. I am not close minded. I hope this paper can help lead me to a comprehensive informed decision about whatever candidate I will support.
Yes, all Republicans have political motives. But no more than those of Mrs. Clinton stretching back to her husband's campaign of the 90's. No one candidate of either party can pretend to occupy the moral high ground.
All I want are balanced stories about the personal accomplishments of all candidates which led to their political lives. I am not close minded. I hope this paper can help lead me to a comprehensive informed decision about whatever candidate I will support.
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Priceless the picture of Mrs. Clinton and Marion Wright Edelman. Just a quote to spice things up a bit, because contrary to common wisdom a picture does NOT mean more than a thousand words: Marion's husband Peter Edelman resigned from the Clinton Administration after Clinton signed into law his Welfare reform act which sent about a million black children into poverty. In addition, here is a quote (sorry, no heart-warming picture to go with it):"The bill that President Clinton signed bars hundreds of thousands of legal immigrants—including many who have worked in the United States for decades and paid a considerable amount in Social Security and income taxes—from receiving disability and old-age assistance and food stamps, and reduces food-stamp assistance for millions of children in working families.”
Wendell Primus who also worked in the Administration, quit as well.
Journalist and social and economic justice activist Barbara Ehrenreich: "It was hard to miss the racism and misogyny that helped motivate welfare reform.” In her view, the Clintons had advanced the racist stereotype of the “Welfare Queen” in their campaign against federal assistance.
Wendell Primus who also worked in the Administration, quit as well.
Journalist and social and economic justice activist Barbara Ehrenreich: "It was hard to miss the racism and misogyny that helped motivate welfare reform.” In her view, the Clintons had advanced the racist stereotype of the “Welfare Queen” in their campaign against federal assistance.
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Are we EVER going to "get rid" of racial bias, and the concept of segregation? It's going to take GENERATIONS.
I live and work in a small wealthy Westchester town. As I was reading this article (and I'm here at work right now, in a retail shop) one of my regular customers came in. "Hi Mark, good to see you! How was Christmas? Family all happy and healthy?" "Yeah -- we had a great time. My 10 year old complained that he didn't get one thing -- but it's our fault -- he's a little spoiled." I said, "Well, that happens, but I'm sure he's a good kid." "Apparently, he's all about money. In church we gave him two $10.00 bills to put in the collection plate and he tried to hold on to one! Little sneak! So I said, 'hey -- what are you, Jewish?' Put it all in the plate."
Upscale. White. Antisemitism. 2015. From a man who's in his early 40s.
I wrapped up his vodka and said, "happy new year."
I'm Jewish.
I live and work in a small wealthy Westchester town. As I was reading this article (and I'm here at work right now, in a retail shop) one of my regular customers came in. "Hi Mark, good to see you! How was Christmas? Family all happy and healthy?" "Yeah -- we had a great time. My 10 year old complained that he didn't get one thing -- but it's our fault -- he's a little spoiled." I said, "Well, that happens, but I'm sure he's a good kid." "Apparently, he's all about money. In church we gave him two $10.00 bills to put in the collection plate and he tried to hold on to one! Little sneak! So I said, 'hey -- what are you, Jewish?' Put it all in the plate."
Upscale. White. Antisemitism. 2015. From a man who's in his early 40s.
I wrapped up his vodka and said, "happy new year."
I'm Jewish.
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Ellen,
It is especially true amongst the wealthy elites, who know the language to use to cover, and hide. We are more Downton Abbey than we want to believe.
It is especially true amongst the wealthy elites, who know the language to use to cover, and hide. We are more Downton Abbey than we want to believe.
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Fede: You hit the nail squarely on the WASP head. ;-)
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OK so how many of the upscale non-Jew whites have made comments like this to you? I just hate to see one isolated event turned into a widespread generalization. I am upscale and white and me and my family are good people - hard working, thoughtful, not racist or anti-semitist, like many similar people I know. I get tired of our kind being broad-brushed in the same way that minorities feel they are broad-brushed. I am truly sad for whatever ills have happened but what do you accomplish by generalizing other than to just continue -isms in a different direction? Are you really trying to make things better?
oh yes she worked with Ms Edelman for ONE YEAR and the press builds that into a lifetime. If Will Not Work !!!!
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It sounds more impressive to me than Bernie's March to Washington.
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She was involved with Edelmen's organization longer than that.
Perhaps because there is much more to his civil rights work than a march to Washington.
Try googling for a photo of Hillary Clinton personally involved in any pro-civil rights acttivity that predates her tenure as first lady, or walking a picket line ever in her life. If you find one I'll buy it from you.
Try googling for a photo of Hillary Clinton personally involved in any pro-civil rights acttivity that predates her tenure as first lady, or walking a picket line ever in her life. If you find one I'll buy it from you.
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Isn't Amy Chozick's assigned "beat" the Hillary Clinton campaign, including traveling with the candidate? Is there a reporter assigned to travel with Bernie Sanders? If not, perhaps this explains the multiple weekly articles about Clinton, many of them written by Ms. Chozick, contrasted with the almost non-existent coverage of Sanders.
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The Times is no longer credible as any sort of independent news operation as far as certain topics go, in particular the presidential election. They're an extension of the Clinton campaign, part of its media arm.
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There have been numerous NYT articles discussing Sanders, and many of the articles by the NYT about HRC have been unflattering. Give it a rest!
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Bernie Sanders just had an op-ed in the times a few days ago,and he is interviewed. Sen. Sanders reporters need to get over their paranoia that everyone is in league against him, and that is the only problem.
Sen. Sanders has been Senator of a very small state for twenty or so years compared to Sen/Sec Clinton and he has one message and one message only so there is considerably less to write about. Sen/Sec Clinton has been doing quite a bit more and has already put out two policy papers on how she would deal with issues while Sen. Sanders has still not outlined the tax rate and structure he plans to pay for all his promises, let alone specific ways to deal with foreign policy problems.
Sen. Sanders has been Senator of a very small state for twenty or so years compared to Sen/Sec Clinton and he has one message and one message only so there is considerably less to write about. Sen/Sec Clinton has been doing quite a bit more and has already put out two policy papers on how she would deal with issues while Sen. Sanders has still not outlined the tax rate and structure he plans to pay for all his promises, let alone specific ways to deal with foreign policy problems.
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A fascinating article. I was glad to read of Mrs. Clinton's dedication to scouring out injustice in the school system. I can't help but wonder, however, if this might have been timed to counteract her poorly worded, and worse thought-out statement: “Now, I wouldn’t keep any school open that wasn’t doing a better-than-average job. If a school’s not doing a good job, then, you know, that may not be good for the kids, but when you have a district that is doing a good job, it seems kind of counterproductive to impose financial burdens on it."
I know she didn't really mean to say she'd be in favor of closing half the schools in the country. But this is one of many examples of all of the candidates' dismal lack of awareness of K-12 education issues in general. So, please forgive my cynical attitude in thinking that the NYT is attempting to provide something of an antidote here.
I know she didn't really mean to say she'd be in favor of closing half the schools in the country. But this is one of many examples of all of the candidates' dismal lack of awareness of K-12 education issues in general. So, please forgive my cynical attitude in thinking that the NYT is attempting to provide something of an antidote here.
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I don't know what Mrs. Clinton meant by "closing schools." The candidates are ignorant about education and schools. The policies of our government reflect that. I do not agree that hearts cannot be changed. I support people living together. I grew up in an "integrated" community and live in one. I am now a senior citizen. We need to learn to value, not just tolerate differences. If we don't make an effort, we will continue to do violence to one another. None of these candidates is perfect, but I will vote for someone who is closer to my views of what is needed. I was a teacher, including in public schools, and I support public schools.
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Why wasn't this written in The Times in 2008? Where is the article about Bernie Sanders' civil rights activity? Why can't The Times play it straight and unbiased?
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The Times can't play it straight and unbiased because the Times is crooked and biased. The New York Times isn't an independent news operation when it comes to Hillary Clinton, the Times is an extension of her campaign, part of its media arm.
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[[Why can't The Times play it straight and unbiased?]]
That's a very good and very troubling question.
That's a very good and very troubling question.
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[[CAF Seattle
The Times is an extension of her campaign, part of its media arm.]]
I'd like to know who came up with the idea for this story. Was it pitched by the campaign?
The Times is an extension of her campaign, part of its media arm.]]
I'd like to know who came up with the idea for this story. Was it pitched by the campaign?
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“I don’t believe you change hearts,” she told them. “I believe you change laws, you change allocation of resources, you change the way systems operate.”
If you are looking for a deliberate and ideological basis for widening inequality, you will be hard put trying to find an idea more consequential than this to the upward mobility of the poor and the stability of the middle class, yet more beneficial to the rich. It is an honest declaration of fidelity to the interests and methods of the connected class, because it is they who are most able to game any system that public officials devise. The more systemic complexity, the better. Just look at the multi-decade trends.
It is perhaps revealing that Ms. Clinton's commitment to increasing systemic complexity began with the assumption of a false identity. The article reports that, having found out how truly difficult it is to benefit the underprivileged, she switched sides to act as one who is privileged. She has made a career of giving systemic wings to folks like Donald Trump.
If you are looking for a deliberate and ideological basis for widening inequality, you will be hard put trying to find an idea more consequential than this to the upward mobility of the poor and the stability of the middle class, yet more beneficial to the rich. It is an honest declaration of fidelity to the interests and methods of the connected class, because it is they who are most able to game any system that public officials devise. The more systemic complexity, the better. Just look at the multi-decade trends.
It is perhaps revealing that Ms. Clinton's commitment to increasing systemic complexity began with the assumption of a false identity. The article reports that, having found out how truly difficult it is to benefit the underprivileged, she switched sides to act as one who is privileged. She has made a career of giving systemic wings to folks like Donald Trump.
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Sorry, but this does not make up for the racist campaign that Hillary Clinton ran against President Obama in 2008.
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Please elaborate and give some examples???
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The birther movement.
Amir, read about the run-up to the 2008 South Carolina primary, during which Clinton made a clumsy remark about Reverend King being less influential in helping to enact the Civil Rights Act than President Johnson. Many black (and white) voters were outraged.
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Keep running pictures of Mrs Clinton in her hippie days. That's sure to win her the election.
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Those are genuine flood pants, I believe.
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Gail from Vermont
And will the Times now do a front page article on Bernie's very active but seldom-mentioned participation in the Civil Rights movement?
And will the Times now do a front page article on Bernie's very active but seldom-mentioned participation in the Civil Rights movement?
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@SchmerVT
Sanders participation in the Civil Rights movement?... When? .... Where?
Please inform.
Sanders participation in the Civil Rights movement?... When? .... Where?
Please inform.
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I think this paints a broader description of trying to accomplish something that laws have failed to do. The human animal prefers its own kind, and is very tribal. Even in small towns, where Missouri Synod Lutherans tolerated, married Mennonites, there is still a vast difference in doctrine of the two groups which will never mesh. The northern states of the plains were very different from the south in that there were few people of many races, 100 years ago with few Asians, blacks, Hispanics, or other aces and cultures so the discrimination in the south was very foreign to most people. Many in these parts have children and grandchildren that have married out if their own group whether culture, race, or religion. People still know that differences are there and always will be. Tolerating each other is probably the most one can expect from different tribes of the human animal. Understanding that is hard for overeducated people as different cultures, races, religions, etc, will never really agree on much, and that is the way it will continue to be!
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I was nodding along with this until "hard for overeducated people" appeared. OVER educated? Knowing something about educational standards in the South, I'm staggered you think this a problem.
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I guess if that's the way you perceive the world, it is truth to you.
It is not my experience. Growing up in New Mexico and living 4 years in California, both having majority minority populations, gives me a far different outlook. When half the people you go to school with, work with, see everyday everywhere you go, are of a different ethnic background- it's not a big deal. Friendships are formed based on common interests not ethnicity.
That is not to say there aren't problems, of course there are. But with a little goodwill they're solvable.
Several years ago I spent some time in Omaha. Something about it was a tad uncomfortable. I finally figured out that nearly everyone I dealt with there was white. I probably could have learned how to tolerate that situation after a while, but thankfully I soon came back to New Mexico.
It is not my experience. Growing up in New Mexico and living 4 years in California, both having majority minority populations, gives me a far different outlook. When half the people you go to school with, work with, see everyday everywhere you go, are of a different ethnic background- it's not a big deal. Friendships are formed based on common interests not ethnicity.
That is not to say there aren't problems, of course there are. But with a little goodwill they're solvable.
Several years ago I spent some time in Omaha. Something about it was a tad uncomfortable. I finally figured out that nearly everyone I dealt with there was white. I probably could have learned how to tolerate that situation after a while, but thankfully I soon came back to New Mexico.
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[[Tolerating each other is probably the most one can expect from different tribes of the human animal.]]
You are incorrect. If your thesis were correct then the entire tourism industry would cease to exist.
Additionally, many people are drawn to their opposites…my spendthrift friend and his very frugal fiancee. He understands that, in addition to being pretty, she would balance him out.
All the cultures that use or have used violence to repress women do so because if left to their own hearts and minds many women would often choose men (yes, I'm being hetero normative…get over it) from other castes, religions, races, and etc. And, in fact, most "white" people in America are the result of people having sex with other people outside their "tribe"...Irish mother, Italian father…you get the idea.
[[Tolerating each other is probably the most one can expect from different tribes of the human animal.]]
You are incorrect. If your thesis were correct then the entire tourism industry would cease to exist.
Additionally, many people are drawn to their opposites…my spendthrift friend and his very frugal fiancee. He understands that, in addition to being pretty, she would balance him out.
All the cultures that use or have used violence to repress women do so because if left to their own hearts and minds many women would often choose men (yes, I'm being hetero normative…get over it) from other castes, religions, races, and etc. And, in fact, most "white" people in America are the result of people having sex with other people outside their "tribe"...Irish mother, Italian father…you get the idea.
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In 1966 in Bridgehampton, NY the Hampton Day School was founded by wealthy white liberal transplants from New York City. (After several mergers it has morphed into The Ross School.) They too did not want their children attending school with poor blacks, who seemed to them to have more in common with blacks in the deep south. Like the liberal and highly segregated elite private schools in NYC at the time, a few token blacks were admitted via scholarships.
While racism may not have been the only motivation for founding the Hampton Day School in 1966, the result of of upper class white students being removed from the Bridgehampton School had the same long lasting effect as it has had in the South.
While racism may not have been the only motivation for founding the Hampton Day School in 1966, the result of of upper class white students being removed from the Bridgehampton School had the same long lasting effect as it has had in the South.
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Back in the 1950s I went to PS 6 on Irving Avenue. There was a lot of noise and PTA meetings. PS 26 being torn down and the students were going to be farmed out across Brooklyn elementary schools. There was some resentment that PS 26 was in a predominately Black neighborhood and was getting a new building while our 100+ year old building with the crumbling auditorium ceiling was collapsing and parts of it couldn't be used.
Our principal Mrs. Moloney was a colorful old women taken to wearing an upside down watch and a lacy handkerchief pinned to her bosom. She refused to have them in her school and chose to retire.
One morning we saw something we'd never seen in front of the school. A yellow school bus. Ours was a neighborhood school drawing kids form a 3 block radius. PS 106 took over the next three blocks. We'd never seen Blacks in our schools and rarely in our neighborhood in Bushwick.
Catholic schools were plentiful. St. Aloysius for the Germans, St. Joseph for the Italians and Saints Barbara and Bridget for the Irish. Enrollment in them climbed. Catholic children weren't supposed to be public schools anyway according to the bishops and here was the excuse they needed. Integration.
You didn't have to go South to see segregation. You could just stay here in NYC.
Our principal Mrs. Moloney was a colorful old women taken to wearing an upside down watch and a lacy handkerchief pinned to her bosom. She refused to have them in her school and chose to retire.
One morning we saw something we'd never seen in front of the school. A yellow school bus. Ours was a neighborhood school drawing kids form a 3 block radius. PS 106 took over the next three blocks. We'd never seen Blacks in our schools and rarely in our neighborhood in Bushwick.
Catholic schools were plentiful. St. Aloysius for the Germans, St. Joseph for the Italians and Saints Barbara and Bridget for the Irish. Enrollment in them climbed. Catholic children weren't supposed to be public schools anyway according to the bishops and here was the excuse they needed. Integration.
You didn't have to go South to see segregation. You could just stay here in NYC.
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A correction? It was PS 86 on Irving Avenue.
Time to turn over the laptop and get the cookie crumbs out from under the keys..
Time to turn over the laptop and get the cookie crumbs out from under the keys..
I do not think it can be overstated that a woman traveling alone in the South in 1972 was a significant act of courage. It startles me at times how quickly our memories fade. I graduated from H.S. in central Texas in 1969. I had never seen a woman police officer, a woman mail carrier, a woman doctor or dentist. We were just a few years past the message that women went to college to find a husband and to maybe acquire an appropriate career she could "fall back on" in case anything "happened" to him. Ask any woman in her 60's re: that message.
Hilary Clinton is not a perfect human being, but she has accomplished goals that many of her cohorts did not even reach for. I do not read this as a "puff piece" as others have commented. Maybe it could have used more context. But to somehow trivialize the significance of the work and the qualities of character it took to do this work baffles me. Are you as idealistic now as you were in your 20's? If you are currently in your 20's, enjoy it!
Hilary Clinton is not a perfect human being, but she has accomplished goals that many of her cohorts did not even reach for. I do not read this as a "puff piece" as others have commented. Maybe it could have used more context. But to somehow trivialize the significance of the work and the qualities of character it took to do this work baffles me. Are you as idealistic now as you were in your 20's? If you are currently in your 20's, enjoy it!
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Gee I was a woman teaching at Tuscaloose like many of my other Yankee friends in the early 1970s. What silliness... there was no proglem with being female. Aslight problem might have arisen from my Ohio license plates when driving on the backroads of Al. On the other hand, the people in S. Ohio and N. Kentucky often would bock the off the highway road to their still with a truck (shotgun in the window) .
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I for one, am a "senior" voter who well remembers the courage of real civil rights workers in the 60's, real activists in the women's movement of the 70's, and fact is, I am just as idealistic as I was in my 20's. And I will vote for Bernie! Don't know what happened to you, "Nelson".
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President Nixon's "Southern Strategy" for the Republican Party dictated that southern white sentiments were not to be disregarded. The power structure of segregationist states (now the backbone of the dominant racist faction of the Republican Party) was then "Southern Democrats" with pre-civil war "States Rights" and "Cheap/free Black Labor" governing policies. Ms. Clinton was documenting the commonplace intransigence of the entrenched political/economic system of the south. Ms. Clinton must win national election in "winner take all" state contests, so I see no reason to bring up her delving into the racist muck that powers the "Southern Strategy" states today. A good deal of Mr. Clinton's appeal was his southern roots, but Ms. Clinton does not have this appeal. Best to "let sleeping dogs lie" until the votes are in.
I should note, in passing, that the Koch cabal understands and supports the "Southern Strategy" as well as "Cheap/free Black Labor" governing policies. They would extend "Cheap Labor" to all races and establish an Czarist aristocracy of wealth (0.1% types) supported by a small middle class (1.0% types). "What church do you go to?" is alive and well in Republican strongholds. Whatever divides us makes them (0.1%) stronger. The US Supreme Court has bowed to wealth. Democracy is at stake. I am sad.
I should note, in passing, that the Koch cabal understands and supports the "Southern Strategy" as well as "Cheap/free Black Labor" governing policies. They would extend "Cheap Labor" to all races and establish an Czarist aristocracy of wealth (0.1% types) supported by a small middle class (1.0% types). "What church do you go to?" is alive and well in Republican strongholds. Whatever divides us makes them (0.1%) stronger. The US Supreme Court has bowed to wealth. Democracy is at stake. I am sad.
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"They would extend "Cheap Labor" to all races."
That's already been done. Once upon a time, the owners said, "Accept a dollar an hour or we'll hire a colored boy for six bits an hour!" Now the owners say, "Accept being paid less than you're worth or we'll outsource the work overseas!"
That's already been done. Once upon a time, the owners said, "Accept a dollar an hour or we'll hire a colored boy for six bits an hour!" Now the owners say, "Accept being paid less than you're worth or we'll outsource the work overseas!"
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My favorite moment: Houston Academy's headmaster, Scott Phillipps, saying “If you want to narrowly define diversity in terms of African-Americans, that’s kind of Old South,” Dr. Phillipps said. “We’re trying to be global.” I just LOVE that. I mean, why on earth would anyone think it reasonable to focus on African-American enrollment as a measure of commitment to diversity in a Deep South state? Crazy northerners. Yeah, let's be "global", import some smart Asian kids and bump up our numbers, that's the ticket!
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So in other words, don't judge their progress by the fact that their student body is now 1.5% African American… judge it by the fact that when you include Latinos, Asians and Indians (by which I assume they mean Native-Americans), their minority population edges close to 10%. That's progress!
When I read articles like this I have to give my young parents a lot of credit. My brother and I started school in the first and second years of desegregated schools in Georgia. When I read the dates many years later, I was stunned. I hadn't known that. I immediately called my mother as I assumed there was some mistake with the date. What she told me makes me proud of them to this day. She said, "We never told you because we wanted you to think that's the way things had always been."
How much nicer than parents who yanked their kids out of public school at the first sign of black children. Our school experience was a lot richer than it would have been had we remained segregated.
How much nicer than parents who yanked their kids out of public school at the first sign of black children. Our school experience was a lot richer than it would have been had we remained segregated.
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Surprise, another story about Hillary. Meanwhile, nothing about how Sanders has raised the most donations ever at this point in the election cycle, beating Obama's previously held record. Nothing about how, post-debate, the online pools and focus groups overwhelmingly supported Sanders. I'm a fan of the NYT but it seems that they've already chosen a pony in this race.
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Relax, it's an interesting story, period. There have been interesting stories about all the candidates, including Sen. Sanders. No need to keep score.
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There is very much "a need to keep score". I have been a NYT reader for a lot of years, but this election period I am really disgusted with the unabashed way they are touting HRC. Please NYT, be fair in your coverage of Sen. Sanders by giving him if not equal space in your paper, Some Coverage!!!
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So if NYT isn't writing pieces that are puffing up Bernie Sanders campaign they must be shilling for Hillary Clinton? And you think this calls into question the Times credibility? Really?
The Times did an article on Mr. Sanders as mayor, and ran his op-ed quite recently but that never seems to count. They go back and forth, and like all journalists prefer stories that have not been told. particularly by the campaign.
Addtionally, they did only limited stories on the access to her records debacle (a latitude treatment Sen/Sec. Clinton would never have been given).
The Times did an article on Mr. Sanders as mayor, and ran his op-ed quite recently but that never seems to count. They go back and forth, and like all journalists prefer stories that have not been told. particularly by the campaign.
Addtionally, they did only limited stories on the access to her records debacle (a latitude treatment Sen/Sec. Clinton would never have been given).
Traveling through Mississippi and Arkansas in the summer of 1971 with a friend (both of us white males, with Indiana plates on our car), we were regularly met with suspicion and occasionally encountered intimidation. We were steered to specific restaurants; in the one that was integrated, black and white patrons were seated in separate sections. At a gas station where we asked for the men's room, we were shown four blank doors (the old signs painted over) and told which one was for us to use. Even after several years of involvement as a student supporting Civil Rights work from a northern campus, actually experiencing southern racism first hand was eye opening.
Mrs. Clinton deserves credit for her courage and commitment in undertaking her mission in Dothan. Anyone who makes light of it doesn't know what they are talking about.
Mrs. Clinton deserves credit for her courage and commitment in undertaking her mission in Dothan. Anyone who makes light of it doesn't know what they are talking about.
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Wow. It's a good thing that was nearly 50 years ago. We didn't have personal computers or cable then either.
Mrs Clinton deserves credit for what? Whitewater, Vince Foster, Benghazi, private emails?
The real problem with Hillary is she stands for nothing. She will say anything to get elected same as Rubio.
Mrs Clinton deserves credit for what? Whitewater, Vince Foster, Benghazi, private emails?
The real problem with Hillary is she stands for nothing. She will say anything to get elected same as Rubio.
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"that was nearly 50 years ago"
And very little has changed. Admitting black students who are not world-class athletes to "flagship" public schools has become as much of a "situation" and a problem in socially-"liberal" Northern states like California and Michigan as it is in socially-conservative states like Texas and Mississippi. And it will continue to be that way, as long as anything having to do with race continues to be regarded as a zero-sum game: the most trivial kind of "win" for a black person *necessarily* entails a tremendous "loss" for at least *one* white person in particular and is a diminution of privilege for *all* white people in general. We white people shall not accept the insult.
And very little has changed. Admitting black students who are not world-class athletes to "flagship" public schools has become as much of a "situation" and a problem in socially-"liberal" Northern states like California and Michigan as it is in socially-conservative states like Texas and Mississippi. And it will continue to be that way, as long as anything having to do with race continues to be regarded as a zero-sum game: the most trivial kind of "win" for a black person *necessarily* entails a tremendous "loss" for at least *one* white person in particular and is a diminution of privilege for *all* white people in general. We white people shall not accept the insult.
tonyrains, Clinton was never charged for anything to do with WW, the FBI and then Kenneth Starr both determined Vince Foster committed suicide, Republicans have had NINE inquires about Benghazi and found ZERO wrongdoing by Clinton, and every other SOS had used private emails. Please take off the tin foil hat.
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Two issues: First, the "no-enforcement" policy did not end with Richard Nixon. Ronald Reagan's administration, for example, fought to have the Bob Jones University (e.g. interracial dating prohibited) tax-exempt status preserved. Second, why would Hillary Clinton not want to trumpet the work she did in the South -- even naming the school? Is it because she has tested it, and knows that to be any more specific would cost her southern votes? Guess what? She will not win without an excited and motivated black vote. When will she get that message?
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That was so long ago. Now interracial dating, transgenders in the military, etc have happened. And yet you still want to punish people.
Hillary Clinton stands for nothing. She's a chameleon and will say whatever it takes to get elected. If you think she or most any of the politicians accepting millions of dollars from PACs and big donors will be working for you in Washington I feel truly sorry for you.
Hillary Clinton stands for nothing. She's a chameleon and will say whatever it takes to get elected. If you think she or most any of the politicians accepting millions of dollars from PACs and big donors will be working for you in Washington I feel truly sorry for you.
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Maybe she isn't emphasizing it because it was so long ago -- as was Bernie's participation in a march on Washington (that numerous white students participated in). Maybe she thinks that addressing current issues facing blacks in this country is more relevant.
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Clinton and Sanders, two great candidates supported by the history in Civil Rights they both were a part of. Find me a source in the bios of any of the Repub candidates which begin to match the work these two did in support of racial equality under the law. You can't.
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Well, you can if you go back to 1964 and people like Dirksen. They're dead now, though.
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Or George Romney. There were many Republicans who worked to integrate institutions. They just never talked about it like Democrats.
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Hillary was part of "the history of Civil Rights"? Because she did a little undercover study? She and Bill did as much any Republican to harm women and minorities via deregulation of Wall St., harsh and discriminatory drug sentencing laws, NAFTA and welfare "reform".
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Until we come face-to-face with the plain fact that the Constitution, with all of its strengths, was basically a deal cut with the slaveholding states, we won't be able to make even the small changes Hillary was attempting in the late 1960's.
Our "exceptionalism" is a fairy tale maintained by us all looking away from the demonic brutality of slavery, terrorism of Jim Crow, and genocide of the people who lived here when our exceptional forebears arrived. Minor acts, such as that by Mrs. Clinton in Alabama, somehow convince us that we are doing enough.
Today we invade countries that have not threatened us, torture their citizens, and lie to ourselves about why they in turn commit acts of terror against us.
Our "exceptionalism" is a fairy tale maintained by us all looking away from the demonic brutality of slavery, terrorism of Jim Crow, and genocide of the people who lived here when our exceptional forebears arrived. Minor acts, such as that by Mrs. Clinton in Alabama, somehow convince us that we are doing enough.
Today we invade countries that have not threatened us, torture their citizens, and lie to ourselves about why they in turn commit acts of terror against us.
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The constitution was amended after the civil war to clearly prohibit discrimination by race. The problem is the country's leadership has often failed to enforce it. The Republican majority on the Supreme Court is a current example.
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The Constitution has been clearly amended to prohibit discrimination by race or by sex.
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Shows Hillary's true mindset. She has not declared and used this period of her life to get votes. It is almost a footnote in her book. I wish the New York Times had not published this article because it seems like she is pandering to get the votes from a cross-section of society as she happens to be a Candidate for the Presidency. Sorry, NYT! Your partisanship is showing and this from a hardcore Democrat. With this article, you have not done HRC a favor, but a disservice!
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Uh...in this dimension, she decalred her candidacy some time ago.
Here come the anti HRC whiners.
All you can complain about is not enough stories about Bernie.
Either she did this, or she did not, that is the story.
If Bernie has done some comparable work, then it is up to his people to see that it gets published. The time writes reports on events, and this did happen, or it did not.
You call it a puff piece, it is a fact piece, and it was good work. All you Bernie people seem to be able to do, is demean HRC, you are acting just like the GOP candidates. Keep it up, and you will get a Cruz for president. Bernie nice guy that he is, will not get elected, face reality, he has been a good senator, but not really involved in many of these events.
All you can complain about is not enough stories about Bernie.
Either she did this, or she did not, that is the story.
If Bernie has done some comparable work, then it is up to his people to see that it gets published. The time writes reports on events, and this did happen, or it did not.
You call it a puff piece, it is a fact piece, and it was good work. All you Bernie people seem to be able to do, is demean HRC, you are acting just like the GOP candidates. Keep it up, and you will get a Cruz for president. Bernie nice guy that he is, will not get elected, face reality, he has been a good senator, but not really involved in many of these events.
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Some of us are just making sure that at least some semblance of balance appears in the NYT, even if it means it's in the comments section.
Personally I think it's great that Hilllary dedicated some effort in the movement. It's also important that people understand that Bernie was very active, since I see some commenters using this article as the deal sealer to lock in their support for Hillary.
Personally I think it's great that Hilllary dedicated some effort in the movement. It's also important that people understand that Bernie was very active, since I see some commenters using this article as the deal sealer to lock in their support for Hillary.
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People said the same exact thing when Obama ran against HRC. How many terms has he served as President now?
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Bernie polls either the same or better than Hillary against republicans in most general election matchups. Bernie fought segregated housing at U Chicago while Hillary volunteered for Goldwater as he was opposing the Civil Rights Act of 1964. Whether she did what is said in the article is not what I dispute, but clearly equal rights are not the motivation of a person who took 6 figure donations from privatized prisons for years before Bernie's integrity shamed her into returning it.
He is tied with her in Iowa, and winning by far in New Hampshire. Yet, a recent study showed, for example, that ABC Nightly News dedicated 81 minutes of solid campaign coverage to Donald Trump, while giving Sanders only 20 seconds. I sure didn't read that snippet in the Times. Anyone who supports Hillary for the right reasons should at least have the integrity to admit that this is not just. CNN wrote an article, titled along the lines of "Voters Move to Clinton After 3rd Debate" as a way of explaining a new poll that shows Bernie's numbers going up and Hillary's going down. Read that twice if you don't understand the problem.
The media in a healthy democracy should not be in the position of protecting a candidate. It's not even as though she's an incumbent. The New York Times needs some leadership changes if they think this amounts to fair journalism.
He is tied with her in Iowa, and winning by far in New Hampshire. Yet, a recent study showed, for example, that ABC Nightly News dedicated 81 minutes of solid campaign coverage to Donald Trump, while giving Sanders only 20 seconds. I sure didn't read that snippet in the Times. Anyone who supports Hillary for the right reasons should at least have the integrity to admit that this is not just. CNN wrote an article, titled along the lines of "Voters Move to Clinton After 3rd Debate" as a way of explaining a new poll that shows Bernie's numbers going up and Hillary's going down. Read that twice if you don't understand the problem.
The media in a healthy democracy should not be in the position of protecting a candidate. It's not even as though she's an incumbent. The New York Times needs some leadership changes if they think this amounts to fair journalism.
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I think that the anti-Clinton comments come from those who prefer young people to not get involved in social challenges facing American society. Better get educated and hope for a good job on Wall Street or Big Law working for oil companies and other polluters. Better yet, move to Washington and get ready for the conservative take-down of the next Congress and the POTUS, get into lobbying for NRA or global companies pushing for extensions of Subpart F of the Tax Code that allows "check-the-box" and watch another $1.7 Trillion in corporate American money "avoiding" taxation in offshore banks that happen to be actually resident in the USA.
The 2016 campaign reminds me of McGovern-Nixon 1972. In the lead role for the GOP we have a man that has striking resemblance to Tricky Dick. The new generation of young elite careerists may find much in common with Senator Ted Cruz: superficial, self-centered and enamored with rhetorical excess irrespective of the social value of his reasoning or position.
Hillary represents the 1960-70s hippie generation when young students were socially connected to injustice and unfairness. In the common era many voters don't see value in helping others that don't have the resources or schooling to improve their lot. Not happy times.
The 2016 campaign reminds me of McGovern-Nixon 1972. In the lead role for the GOP we have a man that has striking resemblance to Tricky Dick. The new generation of young elite careerists may find much in common with Senator Ted Cruz: superficial, self-centered and enamored with rhetorical excess irrespective of the social value of his reasoning or position.
Hillary represents the 1960-70s hippie generation when young students were socially connected to injustice and unfairness. In the common era many voters don't see value in helping others that don't have the resources or schooling to improve their lot. Not happy times.
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I get the impression that people are campaigning against Hillary precisely to avoid the world which you describe. Nothing against the work Clinton did in the 70s, but it's not exactly relevant to her policies these days. It is those policies which perpetuate the winner take all political mentality. It's all about the policies.
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Nope. It is very clear to me that the reason they are campaigning against Hilary is for one of two reasons. One is the camp that refuses that accept that governing requires compromise. These are the people who turned against Obama the moment he couldn't magically make everyone of their desires law. The second group for all their pretty words can't cope with a woman. Sen/Sec Clinton is practical person who learned the hard way, the very hard way, just how much compromise is required but she was never a woman who would try to make her arguments sound cute. (as Jennifer Lawrence put it in recently) That enrages people.
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Richard Nixon had a soul. Ted Cruz does not.
Nice... this article is on the front page or your website? Now please write one about Hillary's much longer time as a Walmart board member, where she sat in silence over the company's anti-union activities, unaffordable health insurance and mistreatment of employees.
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Sec Clinton was on the Board of Walmart as an independent board member - for 6 years - 1986 to 1992, independent members are to act as impartial voters - they are not appointed by the family. You are conflating two time periods - it has been over 20 years since she has had anything to do with Walmart. Her record of what she has fought for and passed legislation for is the antithesis of what you have cited. Let's keep it current.
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What exactly did she fight for and "pass"? And was that unilaterally? Please enlighten us cbd212.
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Here you go:
She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.
Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).
She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.
At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.
She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).
Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.
Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.
Got that? Glad to be of service. And she only served 1 and a half terms in the Senate. Pretty impressive, huh.
She was also instrumental in the creation of the Adoption and Safe Families Act and the Foster Care Independence Act.
Successfully fought to increase research funding for prostate cancer and asthma at the National Institute of Health (NIH).
She spearheaded investigations into mental illness plaguing veterans of the Gulf War; we now have a term for it – Gulf War Syndrome.
At the Department of Justice, she helped create the office on Violence Against Women.
She was instrumental in securing over $21 billion in funding for the World Trade Center redevelopment.
Took a leading role in the investigation of health consequences of first responders and drafted the first bill to compensate and offer the health services our first responders deserve (Clinton’s successor in the Senate, Kirsten Gillibrand, passed the bill).
Was instrumental in working out a bi-partisan compromise to address civil liberty abuses for the renewal of the U.S. Patriot Act.
Proposed a revival of the New Deal-era Home Owners’ Loan Corporation to help homeowners refinance their mortgages in the wake of the 2008 financial disaster.
Got that? Glad to be of service. And she only served 1 and a half terms in the Senate. Pretty impressive, huh.
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As a 75-year old African-American am I supposed to be impressed by yet another piece of Clinton-propaganda from the NYTimes?? No thank you; been there, seen all of that and more, and find this effort to be sorely lacking in journalistic seriousness or any other kind of objective informational service. Has the intervening 43 years of history made a difference in us, her, the US? I'm beginning to have my doubts. Not to mention how a White female goes "undercover" in the White south?? What was she pretending to be, or not to be?
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Good points. I wondered why she was "looking over her shoulder."
As for what she was pretending to be, she was pretending to be a married racist with a child.
As for what she was pretending to be, she was pretending to be a married racist with a child.
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Yes, she was pretending to be it so that she could get information and the school could be denied government funds. How could that be disturbing for you? Do you not understand the nature of undercover investigations?
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Well, Mr. Walker, perhaps some of us would prefer to listen to the endorsement of Mrs. Clinton from Marian Wright Edelman. Or are you prepared to put her activism down as "pretending"? In the mean time, from your high perch, give us some guidance on which son or daughter among the current crop of Republicans, all of whom inherited the racist votes of the Republican southern strategy, we should consider supporting.
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Explains why the big brouhaha when the Clintons sent Chelsea to private school when they moved to Washington.
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I don't care what you did as an idealistic young student. What I care about is what you did and will do when you have real power.
NAFTA, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, not wanting to reinstate G-S, voting for the Iraq war, Itching for another war in Syria, .1%er Long Island parties, private jets, millions in speaking fees, duplicitous children preaching charity from their $20MM condos.....
Bernie Sanders is the only real Democrat in this election and should have the support of all Americans truly interested in helping the middle class and minorities.
NAFTA, the repeal of Glass-Steagall, not wanting to reinstate G-S, voting for the Iraq war, Itching for another war in Syria, .1%er Long Island parties, private jets, millions in speaking fees, duplicitous children preaching charity from their $20MM condos.....
Bernie Sanders is the only real Democrat in this election and should have the support of all Americans truly interested in helping the middle class and minorities.
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I am not a Hilary fan. At the same time, this is a valuable insight to the first female contender candidate for the presidency. I also urge everyone to ignore the posts demanding an unreasonable test of purity over a long career or in those difficult times.
Still, why has Hilary the candidate not made more hay from this experience?
Still, why has Hilary the candidate not made more hay from this experience?
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To my knowledge, this is the first media coverage to mention it.
Her resume is entirely public, however. And a life spent defending the rights of others is a pretty good resume.
Her resume is entirely public, however. And a life spent defending the rights of others is a pretty good resume.
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Maybe Hillary Clinton is more interested in moving forward than in looking back?
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Being on the board of Wal*Mart for 8 years is also on her resume. what do you say about that? Do you think while she was working for the worst corporation of modern times that she was "defending the rights of others"?
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Can the Times just go ahead and make their endorsement official? I'm not sure I can take another 10 months of Hillary-as-superhero stories bookended by everyone-else-as-bumbling-fool stories.
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I kinda-sorta don't see a look at this limited civil rights activity done as a young adult as being "super hero" stuff, as it is just as a bit of experience - which may have shaped her political views. We know about Jeb's Mexican courtship of his wife and about the immigrant-who-made-it tales from Crus and Rubio; how is this different?
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Because the other candidates' acts you've referenced are largely self-serving and this is self-less? Other than that, though, they are surely identical....
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The candidate didn't comment, but did this story attract attention from the NY Times because the campaign promoted it, or because the reporter read Hillary's memoirs and decided to investigate?
Not sure this is going to earn HRC any points with the social justice crowd considering that Bernie's civil rights record is looked on as old news.
I'd be interested to know how many of the Republican candidates would find nothing wrong with the admission policies of these 70s era schools.
Not sure this is going to earn HRC any points with the social justice crowd considering that Bernie's civil rights record is looked on as old news.
I'd be interested to know how many of the Republican candidates would find nothing wrong with the admission policies of these 70s era schools.
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I'd be interested to know how many of the (R) candidates would make a stink about Hillary and Bill Clinton living together as an unmarried couple.
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For those of you who are impressed with Hillary's brief forays into the civil rights movement.
You should know that Bernie Sanders was actually at the Million Man March. In the early 60s he was actually arrested for sitting in to a protest against segregation. He was an organizer of civil rights protests during his years at Chicago University and was far more active during those years, as opposed to someone like Hillary, who celebrated the fact that she did ANYTHING, a decade after the movement made its biggest strides.
Food for thought.
You should know that Bernie Sanders was actually at the Million Man March. In the early 60s he was actually arrested for sitting in to a protest against segregation. He was an organizer of civil rights protests during his years at Chicago University and was far more active during those years, as opposed to someone like Hillary, who celebrated the fact that she did ANYTHING, a decade after the movement made its biggest strides.
Food for thought.
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Correction: I meant to say the march on Washington, in 63, not the million man march, which was decades later.
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Not a lot of grammar school students went South to fight against segregation. Sanders wasn't still in grammar school when he demonstrated - Hillary still was.
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I think the important thing to remember about Sanders is he was a civil rights activist that kind of fell into politics. Clinton's career trajectory looks more like someone with political aspirations who saw civil rights as an expedient way to make a name for herself.
So, this was after Clinton was a Young Republican at Wellesley? By that time Bernie Sanders was already doing civil rights work as a U Chicago undergraduate. No conversion needed, thank you.
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Oh, my gosh. The things we do when we're young.
When Barry Goldwater ran for president, Hillary was 17. She may have gone to college a "Goldwater Republican" (as her parents were), but she came out a Democrat. And an activist.
'nuff said?
When Barry Goldwater ran for president, Hillary was 17. She may have gone to college a "Goldwater Republican" (as her parents were), but she came out a Democrat. And an activist.
'nuff said?
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and now, at age 68, she is a .01%, Nixonian Republican again.
The circle of life!
The circle of life!
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"Two early cases* (of a total of five that Hillary actually tried) charted her course. The first concerned the successful effort of Acorn a public interest group doing community organizing to force the utilities to lower electric rates on residential consumers and raise on industrial users. Hillary represented the utilities in a challenge to this progressive law, the classic right-wing claim, arguing that the measure represented an unconstitutional "taking" of property rights. She carried the day for the utilities.
The second case found Hillary representing the Coca-Cola Bottling Company of Arkansas in a lawsuit filed by a disabled former employee who had been denied full retirement benefits by the company. In earlier years, Hillary had worked at the Children’s Defense Fund on behalf of abused employees and disabled children. Only months earlier, while still a member of the Washington, D.C., public interest community, she had publicly ripped Joseph Califano for becoming the Coca Cola company’s public counsel. "You sold us out, you, you sold us out!" she screamed publicly at Califano. Working now for Coca Cola, Hillary prevailed"
http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/11/14/the-making-of-hillary-clinton/
*While employed by Rose law firm
That's some activist right there...
The second case found Hillary representing the Coca-Cola Bottling Company of Arkansas in a lawsuit filed by a disabled former employee who had been denied full retirement benefits by the company. In earlier years, Hillary had worked at the Children’s Defense Fund on behalf of abused employees and disabled children. Only months earlier, while still a member of the Washington, D.C., public interest community, she had publicly ripped Joseph Califano for becoming the Coca Cola company’s public counsel. "You sold us out, you, you sold us out!" she screamed publicly at Califano. Working now for Coca Cola, Hillary prevailed"
http://www.counterpunch.org/2007/11/14/the-making-of-hillary-clinton/
*While employed by Rose law firm
That's some activist right there...
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Only 300 words devoted to her undercover work for civil rights? Sounds like another helping of Clinton humble pie to me. The tens, or hundreds of millions of dollars she has made in speaking fees has done more harm to bolster world inequality and discrimination, than she has ever done for it. With a book title like Living History, I'm sure Hillary will trace her roots from an idealistic young woman to the globe trotting humblebragger she was always meant to be.
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Sadly, "White Flight" and socioeconomic segregation was far more pervasive than just in the Deep South. It was just more overt there.
In San Francisco in the 1980s, 70% of the children sent to private schools, leaving the public schools to the poorest families.
Social scientists are proving that segregating poor families in concentrated areas reduces social mobility. Let's hope the Millennials will help change this direction with their embrace of urban life.
In San Francisco in the 1980s, 70% of the children sent to private schools, leaving the public schools to the poorest families.
Social scientists are proving that segregating poor families in concentrated areas reduces social mobility. Let's hope the Millennials will help change this direction with their embrace of urban life.
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And what public school did Chelsea attend?
Oh, wait...
What a bunch of hypocrites.
Oh, wait...
What a bunch of hypocrites.
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Is this actually a news story -- which is what I expect on the front page of the Times -- or a press release from the Clinton campaign? What a travesty!
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As much a Secret Service decision as anything else.
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"She attended Forest Park Elementary School, Booker Arts and Science Magnet Elementary School and Horace Mann Junior High School, which are public schools in Little Rock."
Source? Wikipedia
Source? Wikipedia
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How many minority classmates did Clinton have as she moved her way through costly, and segregated northern private schools and did Clinton question the tax status of her various Lilly white alma maters? On the other hand, lots of vague innuendo in the ad, er article.
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She attended Forest Park Elementary School, Booker Arts and Science Magnet Elementary School and Horace Mann Junior High School, which are public schools in Little Rock.
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This rings true with my sister's experience in Baton Rouge, although it was around 1977 when she sent her first daughter off to school. She was appalled to discover the public schools didn't have enough materials for their students. So, like so many others, instead of fighting the system, she enrolled her daughter in some kind of upstart "Christian" academy.
One other observation: many of these "academies" give sports scholarships to minority kids.
One other observation: many of these "academies" give sports scholarships to minority kids.
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While some readers are deploring what they see as a lack of accomplishment in desegregation, I think this article illuminates something crucial about Hillary's thinking. She is no longer an idealist, but a realist. She tries to accomplish that which is possible - i.e. changing the rules rather changing hearts and minds. My heart prefers an idealist - but my mind tells me to settle for a realist. Progress is incremental.
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The article doesn't show an evolution from idealism to realism ... it shows that she dutifully did her job working for a civil rights attorney when she was younger. Notably she does not emphasize this chapter in her life today likely not only because it was a short chapter, but also because she does not need publicity about how she has successfully deceived people about her true intentions, even if her intentions were honorable. Wouldn't it be better to say that we change laws first and the hearts if they can change, will follow the new norms, rather than "we don't change hearts, we change laws?"
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And she makes tens of millions of dollars for herself and her husband giving corporate speeches. Some idealist. Hillary Clinton is a hypocrite posing a populist as she fleeces corporate America and the American people simultaneously.
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Exactly! As Hillary Clinton forthrightly put it to Black Lives Matter representatives last August: "“So all I’m saying is, your analysis is totally fair. It’s historically fair. It’s psychologically fair. It’s economically fair. But you’re going to have to come together as a movement and say, “Here’s what we want done about it.” Because you can get lip service from as many white people as you can pack into Yankee Stadium and a million more like it, who are going to say, “Oh, we get it. We get it. We’re going to be nicer.”
“That’s not enough– at least in my book. That’s not how I see politics. "
“That’s not enough– at least in my book. That’s not how I see politics. "
I'm surprised at all the people criticizing this story as a puff piece for Hillary. It shows that she actually has a history of fighting for those who are marginalized in the USA, as opposed to, say Donald Trump, who only does what benefits him.
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Your logic fails because you're overlooking one thing:
She is not running against Trump.
She is up against Bernie Sanders, until the nomination is won.
The issue for Hillary against Bernie Sanders, in regard to civil rights activism, is that Bernie was organizing protests against segregation and marching on Washington, well over a decade before the actions that this story covers even took place.
Of course, the narrative the media and her campaign want you to believe, is that this race is won and differences to Trump should be what the public should focus on. Nice job perpetuating the propaganda.
She is not running against Trump.
She is up against Bernie Sanders, until the nomination is won.
The issue for Hillary against Bernie Sanders, in regard to civil rights activism, is that Bernie was organizing protests against segregation and marching on Washington, well over a decade before the actions that this story covers even took place.
Of course, the narrative the media and her campaign want you to believe, is that this race is won and differences to Trump should be what the public should focus on. Nice job perpetuating the propaganda.
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Not saying I would vote for Trump, but he has employed tens of thousands of people. He has given women high positions in construction management and paid people great salaries, enabling them to put food on the table buy homes and send their kids to college. Hillary might have "a history of fighting for those who are marginalized", Trump gives them high paying jobs and brings them into upper management.
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To Kevin R.: I didn't know that O'Malley has officially withdrawn from the race or that either party has nominated anyone yet. Please clarify.
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This was fascinating--something I never knew about Hillary, and certainly not something she often talks about. I have to say, I'm pretty impressed--she's just a year younger than I, and this is not something I would have had the guts to do. Certainly not in that time when news travels fast, as do the bullets, for those seen as interfering with the old south.
Nobody can argue that her core advocacy issues are something she just grabbed in the recent past to appeal to a certain constituency. She and Bill were clearly a pair, in the best sense of boomer idealism, really trying to right injustices.
Were I Hillary, I would be a lot more open about this, since her speeches can be boring, and stuff like this shows she's done more than speechifying--she's walked the walk. It's also a sign of strength that I knew she had, but at such a young age is still pretty impressive.
Nobody can argue that her core advocacy issues are something she just grabbed in the recent past to appeal to a certain constituency. She and Bill were clearly a pair, in the best sense of boomer idealism, really trying to right injustices.
Were I Hillary, I would be a lot more open about this, since her speeches can be boring, and stuff like this shows she's done more than speechifying--she's walked the walk. It's also a sign of strength that I knew she had, but at such a young age is still pretty impressive.
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I agree with almost everything you have written except for the last paragraph. I do not find her speeches boring. I happen to love the English language when sentences are used contain a subject and a verb and policies are well thought out and balanced. It is baffling that most negative comments about her are mostly factually unsupported. Knowing this, I would surmise that Hillary refrains from discussing past endeavors such as this because commenters here and on other sites would simply brush them aside as bravado rather than analyze their meaning as you have done in this comment.
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Save Confederate money for the South could rise again?
Yes, good stuff. Why would she not be more open about this significant item in her past? She's still a political animal and she wants victories in Virginia (a big academy state), North Carolina, and - who knows - Arkansas and Georgia. It could happen.
New York City has one of the highest rates of segregated public schools in the country. In a 2014 UCLA Civil Rights Project report titled New York State's Extreme School Segregation: Inequality, Inaction and a Damaged Future, it reads: "The city, its leaders, its members of Congress, its intellectuals, its religious leaders, the great philanthropic foundations, were on the front lines of the struggle to desegregate the South." True. Yet, the report reflects 20 years of data that equate to profoundly inadequate efforts that maintained a system where race determined what school you attended and costly private schools limited the enrollment of blacks, much like in the Southern academy Clinton visited in 1972. From the report: "Charter schools take the metro’s segregation to an extreme. In Bronx, Brooklyn, and Manhattan (where charter schools are a significant proportion of total schools), nearly all charters were intensely segregated in 2010 with less than 10% white student enrollment (100% of the Bronx charters, 90% of those in Brooklyn, and 97% of the Manhattan charters were intensely segregated." Clinton is in favor of school choice, but the ruin of a public school system that serves a black/Latino student population with less than 10% students being white, is indicative that white students attend a separate system in New York City and New York State. Whatever Clinton did in 1972 was not reflected in what she could have done in New York when she was its Senator (2001-2009).
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Whatever Hillary did in COLLEGE, she was just a student among many liberal students of that day (wanting to "change the world").
But only Hillary eventually got REAL POWER -- first as First Lady of Arkansas -- then as First Lady of the USA -- then as Senator from New York State -- then as Secretary of State.
When she had POWER, what did she do? did she do things to end segregation and poverty? NO! did she help reform Walmart when she sat on their board of directors? NO!
In short: she was good at lip-flapping generalities when she was a college student, with nothing to lose. Big deal.
But only Hillary eventually got REAL POWER -- first as First Lady of Arkansas -- then as First Lady of the USA -- then as Senator from New York State -- then as Secretary of State.
When she had POWER, what did she do? did she do things to end segregation and poverty? NO! did she help reform Walmart when she sat on their board of directors? NO!
In short: she was good at lip-flapping generalities when she was a college student, with nothing to lose. Big deal.
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This was a well-written article that reminds us just how long HRC has been on the front lines of the civil rights struggle for women, for minorities, and for children. For all those who deride her as too close to Wall Street or GOP-lite, this article reminds us how long Hillary has been working, sometimes at great risk, to make this country more true to its values. She will make a great president.
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Hillary did very admirable things in 1972. But Hillary 1972 is not running for President. What we have is Hillary 2016.
Hillary 2016 supported NAFTA; hurt poor people by supporting the 2005 Bankruptcy "reform" bill; voted to invade Iraq, but was too busy attending fundraisers to read the intelligence reports before doing so; is bought and paid for by Wall Street; has so little respect for her supporters that she lies to them openly because she thinks they are too stupid to catch her; and has over $100MM in the bank, courtesy of big banks & foreign oligarchs that have invested in her "public service" and expect to reap a return.
Hillary 2016 supported NAFTA; hurt poor people by supporting the 2005 Bankruptcy "reform" bill; voted to invade Iraq, but was too busy attending fundraisers to read the intelligence reports before doing so; is bought and paid for by Wall Street; has so little respect for her supporters that she lies to them openly because she thinks they are too stupid to catch her; and has over $100MM in the bank, courtesy of big banks & foreign oligarchs that have invested in her "public service" and expect to reap a return.
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Yes, she was extremely successful, and yes, she compromised occasionally. Nothing wrong with both......
There's a cartoon circulating among conservatives, depicting the New York Times and the Washington Post as dogs, being walked by Hillary Clinton. Stories like this: a puff piece lifted from Clinton's own autobiography, only lend credence to the cartoon.
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To be sure, Clinton did great things in the 1970s. And to be sure, racial segregation in schools was and remains an issue. But this story ignores things the Clintons did later on. They didn't send Chelsea to a racially diverse public school when they were in the White House. Bill Clinton has his office in Harlem, but they live in overwhelmingly white Chappaqua New York. An unbiased story at least would have pointed these things out.
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To be sure, Clinton did great things in the 1970s. And to be sure, racial segregation in schools was and remains an issue. But this story ignores things the Clintons did later on. They didn't send Chelsea to a racially diverse public school when they were in the White House. Bill Clinton has his office in Harlem, but they live in overwhelmingly white Chappaqua New York. An unbiased story at least would have pointed these things out.
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so what? as the governor's wife in arkansas in 1992, what had she done about healthcare or children's education? i saw well outdated ['50s,'60's] schoolbooks, children with tin capping their teeth.....it takes a village she's never been in.
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so impressive even back in the day…….scamming the poor guidance counselor. Why couldn't she handle this by being straight up like lots of other "talented" folks would have handled it?
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Because then the school would have lied. She needed the actual information.
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I would like to read an article on why the editorial policy of the NYT is to participate in the campaigns of those it determines are serious candidates, rather than reporting.
Is it to get those unnamed sources it lives on?
Or, just ego?
Delusion?
All? None? There is a Pulitzer just waiting and NYT is sitting on the story.
Is it to get those unnamed sources it lives on?
Or, just ego?
Delusion?
All? None? There is a Pulitzer just waiting and NYT is sitting on the story.
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No, Hillary isn't perfect and no she and Bill didn't manage to bring a halt to the bigotry in the South, but I'd take her any day over The Donald.
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Wow! A grand total of 47 New Yorkers agree with you!
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Great story-- and it reassures me that she is the right choice to be the next president. And already the obsessive Hillary-haters are posting negative comments. I guess they are OK with segregation (no surprise), or they just have no sense of history or justice.
Interesting isn't it? While Hillary was actively confronting injustice in the south, Donald Trump, her leading contender for the GOP nomination, was taking his daddy's money daddy's million to begin his gaudy real estate empire. There has truly never been a clearer vision of the choice between the political parties.
Interesting isn't it? While Hillary was actively confronting injustice in the south, Donald Trump, her leading contender for the GOP nomination, was taking his daddy's money daddy's million to begin his gaudy real estate empire. There has truly never been a clearer vision of the choice between the political parties.
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the choice between the parties is about their different approaches to the serious crises that face our country and the world now. the democrats bring real ideas and accomplishments to the debate. the republicans bring whatever version of starving the government by tax cutting while being very afraid that they can muster.
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1972-pretty late for Hillary to open her eyes... We had been marching for Civil Rights since about '58; three young white men from NYC were murdered down south in 1963 doing voter registration (while Hillary was a Goldwater Republican). Hillary did corporate law work in AK... and got invovled in a few financial schemes that had more to do with the hope of personal gain.. Even Bill Clinton's Mom throught Billy Boy did do much for the upper/business class. (See The Agenda, Bob Woodward.)
Time for the NYTimes writers to go shopping for Koolaid. Too much sugar is not good for you.
PS stupid as I am, and aged 70/71, I remember discussing Civil Rights in the 9th grade in a suburban Cincinnati HIgh School. Calling Hillary sheltered is ridiculous. (asleep or unconcerned would be more accurate.)
Where did Hillary stand on Vietnam? She could not have been so sheltered that she missed the protests for the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968?? !! She also could not have missed the various riots that invovled the destruction of property in the earlier 1960s-- and these were racially motivated. MY cousin proposed that we go "shopping" at Marshall Fields. Janus-headed. (go look it up if you don't know what this implies.)
Time for the NYTimes writers to go shopping for Koolaid. Too much sugar is not good for you.
PS stupid as I am, and aged 70/71, I remember discussing Civil Rights in the 9th grade in a suburban Cincinnati HIgh School. Calling Hillary sheltered is ridiculous. (asleep or unconcerned would be more accurate.)
Where did Hillary stand on Vietnam? She could not have been so sheltered that she missed the protests for the Democratic Convention in Chicago in 1968?? !! She also could not have missed the various riots that invovled the destruction of property in the earlier 1960s-- and these were racially motivated. MY cousin proposed that we go "shopping" at Marshall Fields. Janus-headed. (go look it up if you don't know what this implies.)
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Bernie Sander's may have marched, Mrs Clinton , as a young woman,actually worked
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If you're 70/71, you should remember when Goldwater ran for president; Hillary was 17 at the time, and her parents were Goldwater Republicans.
We all were callow youth once upon a time; it would seem that, once out of her parents' house, Hillary became her own woman. Have you read her Wellesley valedictorian speech?
We all were callow youth once upon a time; it would seem that, once out of her parents' house, Hillary became her own woman. Have you read her Wellesley valedictorian speech?
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So the March on Washington in '63 and the March from Selma to Montgomery, AL in '65 don't count as work? Thanks for insulting the memories of Martin Luther King, Jr., and everyone one else who fought for justice.
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I am confused. Is this an article in a newspaper or an advertisement for the Hillary Clinton campaign? I understand it is a foregone conclusion that the Times will endorse Hillary, but isn't this taking things a little too far? Citizen's United vs FEC was a travesty, but at least when super pacs throw their money in the ring you know you are watching an advertisement.
Putting this piece on the front page of the mostly widely read newspaper in the world and calling it journalism is asinine.
Putting this piece on the front page of the mostly widely read newspaper in the world and calling it journalism is asinine.
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It's a good feature piece on Clinton's political origins, but readers (correctly) are wearying of the Times' pro-Clinton bias. I agree,
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They're interested in the background of the Democratic frontrunner. Know why she's the frontrunner? No, not a dark, scary anti-Bernie conspiracy. Simply because, as of today. many more Democrats believe she is the most qualified, attractive candidate for the job.
i am roughly of her age. women then did not set out alone to travel. and after viola liuzzo's death as well as cheney, schwerner and goodwin, i expect it was hard for her to find enough courage to travel to alabama on that task.
it seems to me that a lot of people will be surprised to learn she did this, because they do not think of her as being what in those days was called liberal. that is where her heart is.
it seems to me that a lot of people will be surprised to learn she did this, because they do not think of her as being what in those days was called liberal. that is where her heart is.
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I traveled alone to the south in 1972, from the Northeast, on a Greyhound bus and didn't think a thing of it. I also hitchiked through the south (not alone).
Women could travel alone then.
Women could travel alone then.
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Great story. Always interesting to look back to the early professional years of our candidates.
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This article is most interesting because Ms. Clinton didn't comment. The reporter has done valuable work beyond the PR machine and the human meat-grinder of American presidential campaigns of the 21st Century. Young white women of that era did not easily venture into the deep South alone in civil rights work.
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This is pathetic... Where are the reporters and editors who care about the serious problems of this country instead of distraction, gossip, sensationalism and personal attacks - no leadership, no jobs, raging incompetence in leadership positions, inequality getting worse, health profits and confusion (not health CARE), tax "inversion", treating the US as a "commodity", the list is endless... This is not supposed to be a fraternity newsletter.
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Sounds a little like today's charter schools
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I was thinking that the entire time.
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Clinton is always manipulative, self centered. If she really cared for the country, she would not have been a candidate for 2016 presidential race at the age of 69.
All these Clintons, Bushes and now Donald Trump make this great country look like a Banana Republic. May God save this country from the clutches of these people. We need anybody other than these to be 45th.
All these Clintons, Bushes and now Donald Trump make this great country look like a Banana Republic. May God save this country from the clutches of these people. We need anybody other than these to be 45th.
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“And the well-intentioned work Hillary described was no match for the absolute insistence of millions of Southern whites that their kids never go to school with black kids.” And therein lie the roots of the Southern Strategy that propelled Richard Nixon to the presidency in 1968. The 1954 Supreme Court Brown vs. Topeka decision was the watershed civil rights moment of the 20th century. If, the Court found, that facilities and opportunities were separate, they were not equal. The hinge in the 8-0 decision was "with all deliberate speed," the loophole that allowed the South [and their covert sympathizers in the urban North, be it said], to stall and stonewall and balk and apply to appellate courts for relief. This sore burst open in Little Rock in 1957, the ugly pus of white hatred oozing out of the rupture. The Civil Rights Act of 1964 sent white Southerners into the welcoming arms of the Republican party. President Nixon, upon his election, took comfort in the advice of one of his urban affairs staffers, Daniel Patrick Moynihan, a Democrat from New York, who forwarded this proposal to the new president: "The time may have come when the issue of race could benefit from a period of 'benign neglect.' The subject has been too much talked about... too much taken over to hysterics, paranoids... on all sides." Mrs. Clinton is correct: “I don’t believe you change hearts...you change the way the systems operate." The Republican party continues to fight for an unjust society.
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I loved reading this! I must admit, I wasn't ever much of a Hillary fan. She seemed so distant. But reading this and hearing the advice she gave to the young black lives matter activist helps her to stand shoulder to shoulder with everyday people. It showed that Hillary has been working for civil rights and for the American people long before she was "a somebody" in politics. Just goes to show that the life of a public servent can start in many ways. It was actually pretty cinimatic as well. Can you see this as a film next summer? It would be epic! I have been sitting on the fence trying to decided who I should start sending my campaign donations to. Well, it looks like my money will be going towards Hillary 2016, baby! :-)
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Before you send the cash, why don't you read about Sanders' actions as mayor and, before that, his very active role in fighting racial injustice. It puts Hillary's tiny little action into perspective.
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As long as you realize that she currently is supported by the private prison lobby, whose actions target black Americans.
Sounds like it was written by her publicist. Today she stills works in the shadows... outside of the light of openness and honesty. Just as she, as first lady in 1994, held all of her meetings on health care behind closed doors. Just as she, as secretary of state, installed a personal server so she could keep her PUBLIC government emails from public view. If you were shocked by the revelations of Edward Snowden, you'll be awed by the back door agenda of Hillary Clinton if she becomes President.
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State department emails are not emails that are normally public and for good reason. They are dealing with very delicate subjects and delicate egos of international personalities. So this concept that she was being oddly private is silly. Diplomacy is not made better by being done in too large an audience.
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When I was in high school, I went undercover to work in a local super market. I was an activist trying to understand how hourly wage earners work and live, and didn't even know that I was an activist.
I realized the enormity of my activism once I decided to run for office.
That my activism paid me a wage at the end of the week, was a side benefit
I realized the enormity of my activism once I decided to run for office.
That my activism paid me a wage at the end of the week, was a side benefit
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Okay, that was in 1972. What has she done lately? And, what about Bill? Hillary has not said a word about the role bill will play in a Clinton administration, except that he will soon be campaigning for her as her surrogate. If she is elected, will he be allowed in the White House? Will he be allowed access to interns? Will HIllary or Bill address Bill's horrible record with women? Will either Hillary and/or Bill apologize for deceiving the American public with Bill's bawdy conduct and lies, and Hillary's enabling of his sorry actions. Will the NYTimes even admit that much of America (and me as a Democrat) consider the Clintons an embarrassment?
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I don't think Hillary needs to address Bill's conduct. Why was she an enabler? I think she was deceived by him. Those who believe in marriage should think it laudable that she stayed with and (apparently) has managed to forgive him. I think the Republicans ought to apologize for putting us through the expense and embarrassment of an impeachment trial for what was a domestic issue. Unfortunately for them, after all the money and time spent on investigating the Clintons, Monica Lewinsky was all that they could find.
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Ha, "Will Bill be allowed 'access' to interns?"
Good Lord. You act like interns are like sheep tossed over a game preserve fence. Have you never read the transcripts of Monica Lewinsky's and Linda Tripp's conversations? You can google it and read them.
Good Lord. You act like interns are like sheep tossed over a game preserve fence. Have you never read the transcripts of Monica Lewinsky's and Linda Tripp's conversations? You can google it and read them.
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A very interesting article about a time in our history when even the smallest deed in support of civil rights in the South was both important and dangerous at the same time. We should be thankful that a candidate for President of the United States acted in the way she did. It should be remembered that although thousands did the right thing many didn't.
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It is just amazing how many glowing pieces the NYT seems to run about Hillary. One after another...all the time. Why no similar pieces on Bernie's youth? Or Martin O'Malley? Or Trump for that matter?
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I think we know the answer for Trump. There's no hint of anything other than his following his father's footsteps in real estate, except his $35 million head start.
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A "glowing story' about Trump's youth...as an idealistic advocate for civil rights, equality, for education?
That's the best laugh I've had all morning. Thanks, Starman.
That's the best laugh I've had all morning. Thanks, Starman.
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Apparently you missed the Times stories that she was falsely under criminal investigation, among other pap.
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Seems like a PR piece from the Clinton headquarters.,The modern Hillary Clinton has become the mighty warrior for regime change and the chaos that ensues . Then there's her love for Wall Street. In he run for President she keeps these on the back burner but if she achieves office be on the lookout for more war and oligarchy.
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I think even more amazing and inspirational is how she transformed from a real person into a politician that now can't see black or white, only green. It's so impressive how many millions of dollars she has acquired from oil companies, banks, basically anyone looking to profit from the destruction of our country. It makes me want to abandon all my silly ideals and just volunteer my time for the corporations who really deserve our country.
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The more things change, the more they stay the same. I would suggest to anyone trying to break the cycle of poverty to realign their values and prioritize academic effort in their lives. Separate but equal schooling may be history, but public education is the LAW. Demand it.
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Ms Clinton's Husband was Governor of Arkansas for 12 years and she a lawyer working for the oldest law firm in the state at the same time. Why then was nothing done about segregation academies in Arkansas?
I write this from Arkansas. Private religious and non-religious schools sprouted like dandelions in Spring after the Jim Crow era had been put to rest. most of them are still in existence.
What I want to hear form Ms Clinton is why sh did nothing while sitting on the Corporate Board of Wal -Mart for the workers.
I write this from Arkansas. Private religious and non-religious schools sprouted like dandelions in Spring after the Jim Crow era had been put to rest. most of them are still in existence.
What I want to hear form Ms Clinton is why sh did nothing while sitting on the Corporate Board of Wal -Mart for the workers.
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What Hillary Clinton did in Alabama in 1972 is certainly laudable.
But it's now nearly 2016.
What is the overall condition of African-Americans in Hillary Clinton 's native Chicago, regarding education and everything else?
Hillary Clinton's Democrat party run Chicago, don't they?
But it's now nearly 2016.
What is the overall condition of African-Americans in Hillary Clinton 's native Chicago, regarding education and everything else?
Hillary Clinton's Democrat party run Chicago, don't they?
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The best they can come up with is a single isolated action she took -- 45 years ago -- what has she done in the last TWENTY years?????
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Re: "Hillary Clinton's Democrat party run Chicago, don't they?"
Hillary Clinton is not synonymous with the Democratic Party, and she isn't responsible for everything any Democrat does anywhere.
Hillary Clinton is not synonymous with the Democratic Party, and she isn't responsible for everything any Democrat does anywhere.
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Concerned Citizen: Re: "The best they can come up with is a single isolated action she took -- 45 years ago -- what has she done in the last TWENTY years?????"
Who is "they" supposed to be? This is an interesting article about an episode that took place in a period in the past, and that it took place in the past is part of--or most of, actually--the attraction. It isn't a campaign summary of Hillary Clinton's curriculum vitae.
Who is "they" supposed to be? This is an interesting article about an episode that took place in a period in the past, and that it took place in the past is part of--or most of, actually--the attraction. It isn't a campaign summary of Hillary Clinton's curriculum vitae.
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Mrs. Clinton's views on change management, as stated in a quote from her in this article, demonstrate the difficulties of achieving lasting attitudinal change in people exclusively through external and objective forces such as laws and regulations. In addition, many have concluded, individuals need to confront change on an emotional level for it to truly sink in and have and effect on their personal behavior. It is always interesting to compare how she and President Clinton seem to go about the "change management" problem as it effects politics-- with her husband having combined both the emotional as well as cognitive approaches, often with positive outcomes. One wonders if a new President Clinton can achieve similar results....
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So, this is how many articles about Hillary and how many about Bernie?
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Maybe because Mrs Clinton did more than just march, she actually worked for civil rights.
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@Gary, Bernie did much more than just march. He organized, rallied, fought for, and even gave up his own freedom, for the civil rights movement.
Must because you're not paid financially for your work does not mean it isn't work.
Must because you're not paid financially for your work does not mean it isn't work.
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Bernie gets articles -- as long as there is a way to flip it around as a political gain for Hillary.
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It all sounds reasonable for that time period, but it's hard not to doubt Clinton's findings. She simply cannot be trusted to report the truth.
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I'm far more interested in Clinton's views on the current state of the country and how she plans to govern if elected. A campaign generated PR puff piece about something she did 40+ yrs ago is not especially relevant to this election.
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This is a great article about the high ideals that Hillary Clinton brought with her in aiding the study of segregation of schools in the South. A footnote might read that once within the political system, its rightward pull, and the muting of individual idealism, yield different outcomes. Still, it took lots and lots of raw courage to go into the South in those days...
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The lesson of the article is the same one that Martin Luther King Jr. often articulated....that economic justice is directly linked to social justice and that as long as certain citizens are systematically and economically marginalized and segregated, social and racial segregation will flourish...and it has flourished wildly in colonial America and in the USA since the settlement of Jamestown Virginia 400 years ago.
Good for Hillary for doing her college best to put a political finger in the dike of civil rights holding back America's vast sea of racism, but obviously she was no match for the Old and New Confederacy and Whites R Us sensibilities that plague this troubled land.
Some people think black Americans should simply 'get over it' and turn the page with regard to segregation in America and that somehow America is now a post-racial country, but segregation happens in a thousand different small ways, usually hidden behind economic white picket fences which have been carefully constructed and well-maintained and reinforced with decades and centuries of systematic White Privilege and Black Poverty.
This article is yet another reminder of the real historical American systematic 'redlining' of black people.
It will take a lot more than the last 50 years of civil rights progress to overcome America's rich record and heartfelt penchant for casting blacks, Native Americans and 'others' into America's non-white rainbow of economic reservations.
Thanks for trying, Hillary.
Good for Hillary for doing her college best to put a political finger in the dike of civil rights holding back America's vast sea of racism, but obviously she was no match for the Old and New Confederacy and Whites R Us sensibilities that plague this troubled land.
Some people think black Americans should simply 'get over it' and turn the page with regard to segregation in America and that somehow America is now a post-racial country, but segregation happens in a thousand different small ways, usually hidden behind economic white picket fences which have been carefully constructed and well-maintained and reinforced with decades and centuries of systematic White Privilege and Black Poverty.
This article is yet another reminder of the real historical American systematic 'redlining' of black people.
It will take a lot more than the last 50 years of civil rights progress to overcome America's rich record and heartfelt penchant for casting blacks, Native Americans and 'others' into America's non-white rainbow of economic reservations.
Thanks for trying, Hillary.
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This reader looks forward to Socrates' commentary.
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I always look forward to your posts, Socrates. And agree with you. But what do you think about the media's avoidance of any mention of Bernie?
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Oh she's very trying.
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What a puff piece! Contrast this with the Christie piece yesterday. All the news that's fit to print, indeed. The NYT has become an appendage of the DNC, lock, stock and barrel.
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Why is it a "puff piece"? It's an indepth story that no one has ever talked about. It was certainly unknown to many people. Plus, it shows that she is human. What's so bad about that?
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listen, they used to be socialists
things a re looking up
things a re looking up
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“But in a minute, it was over,” he said of the effort to combat such schools. “And the well-intentioned work Hillary described was no match for the absolute insistence of millions of Southern whites that their kids never go to school with black kids.”
In Mississippi, this is still mostly true, especially in black majority areas. Tokens are welcome if they can pay the tuition, but more than tokens are fiercely resisted. My town had about eight schools openingiin 1970 or thereabouts, most of them church run elementary schools. We're down to three today, two that go through grade six:one Catholic which was always here and one Presbyterian; and one k-12 found as a segregation academy for grades 7-12 that added elementary as the church schools closed. The area is at least 80% Black, but the public schools are 97% or so Black. The 3% are largely immigrants.
Children of the Black middle class who are seeking a better education than available at the public schools mostly attend the Catholic school, and then get sent off to private boarding schools elsewhere.
Segregation academies are alive and flourishing in Mississippi, primarily in Black majority areas.
In Mississippi, this is still mostly true, especially in black majority areas. Tokens are welcome if they can pay the tuition, but more than tokens are fiercely resisted. My town had about eight schools openingiin 1970 or thereabouts, most of them church run elementary schools. We're down to three today, two that go through grade six:one Catholic which was always here and one Presbyterian; and one k-12 found as a segregation academy for grades 7-12 that added elementary as the church schools closed. The area is at least 80% Black, but the public schools are 97% or so Black. The 3% are largely immigrants.
Children of the Black middle class who are seeking a better education than available at the public schools mostly attend the Catholic school, and then get sent off to private boarding schools elsewhere.
Segregation academies are alive and flourishing in Mississippi, primarily in Black majority areas.
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I'm from Grenada, MS and I worked in Greenville. I saw both sides of the coin. In Grenada, the public schools were great and the private school existed only to educate white kids who came from homes that hated integration. While in Greenville, which is 80% black, the public schools were horrible so middle class parents of all races had no choice but to find other alternatives. So the kids that could afford it went to the Catholic school because it was awesome then and it is just as amazing now.
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It's easy to point fingers at the South, based on history. But I grew up in Central Maine, and attended a public high school that was almost entirely white. I had one Hispanic classmate. A handful of Latino classmates. An Asian classmate (she was adopted). NO Black classmates.
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To be fair, the segregation I experienced was a result of the fact that central Maine is, and has always been, 95% white. But segregation is segregation, whether you're segregated by neighborhood or by state. And in some ways, the fact that my birth state is so white is more troubling, today, than the persistent segregation of the south.
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To be fair, the segregation I experienced was a result of the fact that central Maine is, and has always been, 95% white. But segregation is segregation, whether you're segregated by neighborhood or by state. And in some ways, the fact that my birth state is so white is more troubling, today, than the persistent segregation of the south.
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Same is true here in Virginia,plenty of segregation academies, though there are many, many excellent majority black public schools thanks to a standard curriculum across the state and dedicated teachers of all races. I would never want my kids to go to a segregation academy.
This is a lot of ink about Hillary fighting racism. Let's not forget that when Bernie Sanders was a student at the University of Chicago he battled to end the administration's segregated housing practices in properties owned by the school. Nor should we forget that with the imbalance of wealth tilted so steeply toward a few, that a social democrat might be better for capitalism in the US at this time than a Democrat Party favorite, some of whose Wall Street and banking connections would prefer a plutocracy over a democracy.
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There is no such thing as the "Democrat Party."
I admire both Hillary and Bernie for their commitments to social justice. Either would be light years better as president than any of the sorry excluses for candidates in the GOP field. As a practical matter I would strongly prefer Hillary because she has far more experience and has a far better track record at actually getting things done.
I admire both Hillary and Bernie for their commitments to social justice. Either would be light years better as president than any of the sorry excluses for candidates in the GOP field. As a practical matter I would strongly prefer Hillary because she has far more experience and has a far better track record at actually getting things done.
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Philip Nero: Re: "This is a lot of ink about Hillary fighting racism."
It's an in-depth look at one particular episode. I found it interesting and enlightening, and I think it tells us more about the history of this country in general than it does about Hillary in particular. Prior to this I read two comparably long and comparably favorable in-depth pieces appearing in the New York Times about aspects of Bernie Sanders's long-ago political past. They didn't mention, that I recall, the incident to which you refer, though. Do you have a link to more information?
It's an in-depth look at one particular episode. I found it interesting and enlightening, and I think it tells us more about the history of this country in general than it does about Hillary in particular. Prior to this I read two comparably long and comparably favorable in-depth pieces appearing in the New York Times about aspects of Bernie Sanders's long-ago political past. They didn't mention, that I recall, the incident to which you refer, though. Do you have a link to more information?
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Other than being another puff piece supporting the Clinton campaign, I am not sure what this article is trying to say. I understand her intentions were good and her work important, but it looks like she accomplished nothing. The school continued to operate and has thrived. The article is very vague and basically pointless.
Intentions are great, but without accomplishments they are meaningless. This has been the story of Mrs. Clintons career.
Intentions are great, but without accomplishments they are meaningless. This has been the story of Mrs. Clintons career.
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Disagree completely. Challenge the NYTimes to go back and see what the Republican candidates were doing after they graduated from college, law school etc. We KNOW what Bernie did. Shine a light on the opposition for clarity.
I think the piece goes to the development of purpose and tactics along with values and actually trying to do something. The psychology and development of presidents actually matters. ck. Tom Wickers book the influence of personality on politics.
I think the piece goes to the development of purpose and tactics along with values and actually trying to do something. The psychology and development of presidents actually matters. ck. Tom Wickers book the influence of personality on politics.
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You can't be serious! A simple web search will disabuse anyone of the notion that Ms. Clinton "accomplished nothing." She hasn't strutted around bragging, but to name just one: the Iran sanctions regime that brought Iran to the bargaininig table was authored by: guess who.
Great intentions without accomplishments are the story of Bernie's career. His heart is in the right place, as are his social critiques, but at some point a politician needs to be pragmatic to get anything done; with Bernie I've seen that only with regard to his willingess to cowtow to the gun lobby. Otherwise the only bill I know of that he was able to get passed in his entire career in Washington was a veterans' support bill.
I will gladly support Bernie if he's nominated, but he won't be.
Great intentions without accomplishments are the story of Bernie's career. His heart is in the right place, as are his social critiques, but at some point a politician needs to be pragmatic to get anything done; with Bernie I've seen that only with regard to his willingess to cowtow to the gun lobby. Otherwise the only bill I know of that he was able to get passed in his entire career in Washington was a veterans' support bill.
I will gladly support Bernie if he's nominated, but he won't be.
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It's responses like yours, looking for the proper and perfect Liberal with the right credibility, that cause Democrats to stay home, with far, far worse candidates being elected as a result.
Right wing insanity rules, because Democrats and Liberals simply refuse to understand the rules of modern politics - or to understand that they are their own worst enemies!
Right wing insanity rules, because Democrats and Liberals simply refuse to understand the rules of modern politics - or to understand that they are their own worst enemies!
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This article fails to point out there was resistance to school integration all over the country in the early 70's. And unfortunately, the academic statistics of schools integrating in the 70's, 80's and 90's actually prove that the concerns white parents in 1972 Dothan, Alabama were well-founded as academic performances plummeted after integration.
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Do those statistics also show the impact of poverty that did not significantly describe albeit there was a war on poverty and anti-poverty programs in the 70's, more blacks entering college in the 80s and the 90s? Perhaps the self-fulfilling prophecy of how teachers expected students to perform should have been measured given many of the racial attitudes that unfortunately were not left at home, and that take time to change? I am speaking about administrators and instructors who have some of the same numbskull ideas as Justice Scalia in the 21st century? I am speaking about the perceptions of some white professionals about black people that are there before the black people arrive i.e., the resistance... the same kind of stuff that people grappled with in Dothan, GA that is still going on today in segregated school systems all over the country? Well-founded? I think not! But you can find anything you want to when that is all you are looking for, and any rationale to support it.
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Not all over the country. I was in the NY suburban public schools in the late 60s and early 70s, and we were always integrated (tho I wouldn't have known what that meant, really - stories of the South's separate facilities were terrifying even to us, white children - it all sounded very Hitlerian, very SS.)
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There is no cover under which anyone blessed to be born one-drop black African blood in America can typically go under. While any one white going undercover while white always has the mental emotional comforting certainty that they are not nor will they ever be physically colored. Those black African Americans who can or choose to "pass" for white do not have that solace. Some members of my family past and present have chosen to "pass." See "A Chosen Exile: A History of Racial Passing in America" by Allyson Hobbs and books and articles on the life and legacy of Walter Francis White, Sr. of the NAACP.
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Don't know much about history?
Nixon may not have been the first black president, but he was a contender. Nixon's Presidency saw the first large-scale integration of public schools in the South.
Nixon also invented affirmative action as we know it (in the "Philadelphia Plan") and sought to promote minority business development.
For those too lazy to do the research, Nixon was unquestionably to the left of Hillary's husband. He proposed the replacement of Medicaid by state-run health insurance plans available to all, with income-based premiums and cost sharing.
The same Nixon
* concluded the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviet Union in 1972.
* imposed price and wage controls.
* established the federal Environmental Protection Agency.
* endorsed the Equal Rights Amendment and appointed more women to administration positions than Lyndon Johnson had.
Nixon may not have been the first black president, but he was a contender. Nixon's Presidency saw the first large-scale integration of public schools in the South.
Nixon also invented affirmative action as we know it (in the "Philadelphia Plan") and sought to promote minority business development.
For those too lazy to do the research, Nixon was unquestionably to the left of Hillary's husband. He proposed the replacement of Medicaid by state-run health insurance plans available to all, with income-based premiums and cost sharing.
The same Nixon
* concluded the Anti-Ballistic Missile Treaty with the Soviet Union in 1972.
* imposed price and wage controls.
* established the federal Environmental Protection Agency.
* endorsed the Equal Rights Amendment and appointed more women to administration positions than Lyndon Johnson had.
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All quite true! Nixon was, as Gary Wills put it so well, the last Liberal. Much of his work is to be honored. But... it is also quite true that there was a darker side. The ABM treaty is to be balanced by his military maneuvers (Broken Arrow?) that worked to convince the Soviets that he was possible deranged. That insanity myth almost led to Nuclear War a decade later. His affirmative active was balanced by his "Southern Strategy" that was meant to reap the rewards of Johnson's Civil Rights Act of 1965. The 'Solid South' flipped from solidly Democratic to solidly Republican through a George Wallace interregnum in 1968. Nixon was going to do nothing to slow the Southern white (and large amounts of Northern white) race from integration. Nixon was no more racist than the typical white guy, but for the sake of power, he was quite willing to play every race card he could.
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Jonathan:
Interesting points. But if Nixon was running a "Southern strategy," then how come in 1972 he won every state in the Union except Massachusetts, winning 61% of the national vote? That sounds like a national strategy to me. Nixon won because he was seen (rightly) as a moderate on race and most other issues.
Nixon's Southern strategy was largely invented after Nixon by Democratic activists who use it to smear Republicans as racist.
Interesting points. But if Nixon was running a "Southern strategy," then how come in 1972 he won every state in the Union except Massachusetts, winning 61% of the national vote? That sounds like a national strategy to me. Nixon won because he was seen (rightly) as a moderate on race and most other issues.
Nixon's Southern strategy was largely invented after Nixon by Democratic activists who use it to smear Republicans as racist.
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And after all her concerns about racial inequality, she and her husband are now residing in one of the most racist all-white cities in New York.
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Expensive, single-family home only suburbs like Chappaqua tend to have a high percentage of white residents. That doesn't make them racist.
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They could afford to buy Jeff and Cheryl's house there-- that's all.. It's exclusive not racist.. Well-off educated black people are more than welcome.
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Chappaqua is a racist community. The residents refuse to allow affordable housing for "low income people of color".
Mrs. Clinton's "couple days in Dothan" pales next to Bernie Sanders' work in the civil rights movement -- including leading the first civil rights sit-in in Chicago history.
I look forward to the Times article about THAT. Something tells me I'll be waiting a while, though.
I look forward to the Times article about THAT. Something tells me I'll be waiting a while, though.
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there will not be an avalanche of comments disputing the sanders story. i suspect that not all the hillary haters are sanders supporters, but we hillary admirers do not go around denying bernie's statements.
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Thank you Sam!
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As a Bernie supporter who is vastly disappointed by NY Times coverage ignoring him,, still I'm glad to read of Hillary's foray into examining the injustices in education in the south. But, please, NYT, give Bernie a break!
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I first became aware of Hillary Rodham when I was writing my book on the rights of children at the same time she was working on the same topic at the Children's Defense Fund in D.C. I had no idea that she was also putting theory into practice while doing undercover work on private school segregation in the South. White people, especially young women, would have been especially vulnerable to violence if they had been discovered doing anything that looked like an enforcement of integration.
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Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton understands both poverty and great wealth and knows we must bring both factions to the middle to restore democracy in America. She is the MOST QUALIFIED CANDIDATE to be the next President of the United States of America and she has my vote.
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that's odd, because the only candidate actually espousing the issues you raise, time and again, is Bernie Sanders....odd you'd vote for the candidate in the pockets of big money if this is your concern. ..
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The great, white backlash continues today. The article says, "What would have kept black people out “would have been the tuition,” Dr. Olliff said. “Not ‘you’re black, you can’t come in.’ ” Education costs have soared since the primarily white financial elite took over OUR governments at every level. Public education cannot do it's job because it's been fragmented and underfunded where it matters most. Keep the peons uneducated, fearful, hateful and angry is the motto of the financial elite operative in OUR governments. And - most important - try to keep women un-empowered. WE must remove their operatives and elect socially conscious people who actually want to move America forward instead of back to medieval times.
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We spend more on public education, by every possible metric, than any other nation on earth. That's "per student" and it is today well over $20,000 PER CHILD.
How much more should we spend? Twice as much as other nations? Three times as much?
How much more should we spend? Twice as much as other nations? Three times as much?
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It is not how much we spend it is how we spend it, Concerned Citizen. Most of the dollars go to the wealthiest because of the way schools are funded. WE need to rethink OUR national public school educational system and the way it is funded - with much less going to administrators, consultants, book publishers, tenured instructors, etc - and educate ALL our youth to be valuable citizens of OUR democracy. That is what will make America great again and keep her that way.
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Apx 40% of all children receive welfare benefits, while only 17% of all families with children are on welfare. In other words those least able to take care of themselves or their children are having roughly twice as many children as those who struggle to pay for their own children.
Approximately 500 billion dollars of welfare payments are paid to families with children each year. That however doesn’t include educational costs. Educational costs which are a minimum of $10,000 PER YEAR for a child from kindergarten to high school graduation; amount to 120 thousand dollars in untracked ‘welfare’ payments per child.
Approximately 500 billion dollars of welfare payments are paid to families with children each year. That however doesn’t include educational costs. Educational costs which are a minimum of $10,000 PER YEAR for a child from kindergarten to high school graduation; amount to 120 thousand dollars in untracked ‘welfare’ payments per child.
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Why do you suggest that Ms. Clinton made up her experience in Dothan? There isn't an iota of evidence that she did. As far as the Times is concerned about Ms. Clinton, no good deed goes unpunished.
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Got to give Ms. Clinton her due for not only going undercover, but for sending Chelsea to integrated public schools in Little Rock.
Unfortunately today segregation in education is as persistent as ever.
Unfortunately today segregation in education is as persistent as ever.
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However, in DC, they sent Chelsea to the same elite school that the Obama children went to.
Jimmy Carter was unique in sending Amy to a DC public school.
Imagine what the Obamas could have done for the public school, if only their daughters had gone to one.
Jimmy Carter was unique in sending Amy to a DC public school.
Imagine what the Obamas could have done for the public school, if only their daughters had gone to one.
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That public school.education didn't work out so good for Chelsea. She couldnt get a real job and so now works for mommy and daddy's foundation giving speeches for thousands of dollars.
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While Bill golfed at a segregated club? I see racism in the Clintons.
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"I don't believe you change hearts." That is an interesting statement and serves to be investigated all these years since Hillary's twenty fourth year of civil rights study. If we grew up with bias and prejudice thinking that was acceptable, we might still believe that is acceptable - but maybe not. I recall an Oprah show where those biased against the Freedom Riders apologized to those who journeyed on those buses. It was an awakening of hearts and minds. Maybe there is hope for change of heart. Let's hope it would not take the next generation so long.
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MIMA: I don't think Hilary was saying that hearts never change. I think she was saying that in the short run institutional and systemic is more practical and effective. How can white students in the south come to accept black students if they never see any?
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You've discovered an actual accomplishment in Ms. Clinton's life!
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It's too bad Hillary hater's have always refused to truly look at what she's accomplished in her life. If they had, they would have a hard continuing to denigrate such a skillful and talented public figure.
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eh, one accomplishment from 1972 doesn't make a life of accomplishment.
In her defense, only a handful of modern politicians have any accomplishments.
In her defense, only a handful of modern politicians have any accomplishments.
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She landed a very helpful husband. That should count for something.
Civic rights workers in the South were murdered for doing less that Hillary Clinton did in Dothan, AL. I admire her. She is brilliant and a person of great courage. I hope she wins the Democratic nomination, and I hope she is elected President in 2016.
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It was good for her to fight racial inequality while young. But that had nothing to do with what other civil rights workers gave their lives for.
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Changing hearts is the most difficult task and impossible to verify consistently. Changing the system is a huge but less difficult task but easier to enact and verify.
HRC is far from perfect but is less toxic than her competitors except for Bernie.
It would be nice to make history again this next election albeit reluctantly.
HRC is far from perfect but is less toxic than her competitors except for Bernie.
It would be nice to make history again this next election albeit reluctantly.
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Regardless of the amount of time that she actually spent doing this investigation, it was dangerous but a worthy endeavor. I don't understand why Hillary doesn't place more emphasis on this effort. I grew up in Georgia in the 60's and 70's as a white male who got involved with civil rights activities whil still in high school in the late 60's when our school was integrated my junior year. At that time I was never threatened but later I realized how close I was to the anger and resentment of the white population who resented my efforts to help people of color get out to vote. Hillary should embrace her activism and assure her liberal base that she is still an activist with a healthy dose of pragmatism.
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I asked myself why Clinton has not spoken more about this time in her life while reading this article. The first thought that came to my mind was that she is still concerned about the backlash from a nation where white supremacy and de facto segregation are still very powerful forces.
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Glad the young Hillary cared so much about segregation against blacks in education since the First Lady Hillary supported welfare to work and the omnibus crime bill in 1994 that targeted and destroyed the black community. What did she really learn as a young law student? Because her expediency in supporting tough on crime Republican legislation and her love of the death penalty doesn't show much compassion or insight into the plight of the African-American community today.
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This should be the top comment. Because regardless of what she tried to do in the name of racial equality in the 70's she completely overturned by the real harm to the black community that she actually accomplished in the 90's.
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At any rate, more useful than this ancient history would have been an invitation to debate her policies now and which one of them will or will not work.
This story has the appearance of a Clinton PR piece. Whether true or not, far too many national reporters seems to have an agenda on behalf of Clinton. While I can appreciate the interest in a woman president, the reporter have to maintain a sense of perspective and fairness. The campaigns of Sanders and O'Malley are largely ignored by the oress. The fact is reporters cannot force readers to embrace an ethically compromised candidate no matter how many puff stories they write.
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Completely agree. She's being shoved down the democratic party's throat, but we are gagging...
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I disagree. I think that a reporter noticed the brief passage in Ms. Clinton's book, decided to investigate, and this is all they found. Sometimes you uncover something surprising when you go digging into a story, sometimes you don't.
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When I got the letter from Hillary and Huma in my e-mail this AM I asked to be removed from the mailing list.
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It's happening now in NC with the Charter School movement.
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That is impossible, as Charter schools are PUBLIC schools -- operating under a charter from the STATE (or in some cases, county). They absolutely are obligated to admit students fairly and equitably, and are not permitted to discriminate on race.
Indeed, most Charter schools are majority black, and a great number are 100% black in inner cities. It is BLACK parents who are clamoring for Charter schools! to get away from public union-run schools that are failing their kids.
I believe you are confusing private parochial schools with Charter schools. They are not remotely the same thing.
Indeed, most Charter schools are majority black, and a great number are 100% black in inner cities. It is BLACK parents who are clamoring for Charter schools! to get away from public union-run schools that are failing their kids.
I believe you are confusing private parochial schools with Charter schools. They are not remotely the same thing.
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michigan is also diverting public school resources to charter schools. SHAME ON THEM!!!!!
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"That is impossible, as Charter schools are PUBLIC schools -- operating under a charter from the STATE (or in some cases, county)."
Charter schools specifically represent budget dollars taken away from the school district and controlled by the state or whoever can buy it.
Charter schools specifically represent budget dollars taken away from the school district and controlled by the state or whoever can buy it.
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