The Giants just don't have the personnel. They have a possible Hall-of-Fame quarterback and perhaps the league's best wide receiver. They also have two very good cornerbacks, when healthy. Everywhere else there are serious issues. The receivers who are not named Beckham are injured, lazy, or over the hill. Running backs: journeymen at best. Offensive line: young, inexperienced, and chronically injured. Defensive line: three average players, and one good player who is missing his right hand. Linebackers: three mediocre players plagued with injuries. Safeties: two mediocre and often injured players. The sad part is that it's now virtually certain that our Hall of Fame coach will lose his job because of it. Yes, he's made some mistakes this year. But who else is out there to replace him? When this question is asked, the men most often named are television personalities who have been out of coaching for years. Redskins will win the division with a losing record.
Richard, you say the "Redskins will win the division with a losing record." Maybe not the Redskins but someone will win the East probably with a losing record or close to it. And might win the Super Bowl as the Jints did as a wild card. Shows the absurdity of the regular season. The NFL knows we'll tune in and watch. But the real season begins with the playoffs. Once in any team can win. When it's all over the NFL just counts the money.
I have been watching the Giants since 1951. This call to go for the TD was one of THE WORST calls EVER. This make THREE games that the Giants have thrown away because of BAD CALLS. In case you can't count, The Giants season is officially over unless Washington and Philadelphia fall into a river and can't finish the season
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Coughlin has apparently reached an age where he can't think clearly in the 4th quarter. In the first half, inside the 1-yard line he chose to kick a field goal, and then, with 4th and 2 on the 4-yard line, when a field goal would have given us a 13 point lead he goes for it. He is done.
This season has been a 4th quarter nightmare for the Giants. With sensible clock management and intelligent play-calling they could easily be 11-1 right now. The only game they clearly lost was against the Eagles.
With all the Giants injuries, putting points on the board is crucial to protect and maintain a lead. Taking irrational chances that give a good passing team the opportunity and the time to catch up is insane.
This season has been a 4th quarter nightmare for the Giants. With sensible clock management and intelligent play-calling they could easily be 11-1 right now. The only game they clearly lost was against the Eagles.
With all the Giants injuries, putting points on the board is crucial to protect and maintain a lead. Taking irrational chances that give a good passing team the opportunity and the time to catch up is insane.
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This mistake of going for it on that 4th down is inexcusable. This game pretty much sealed the fates of Coughlin, McAdoo, and any post-seaon hopes the team had. Coughlin did bring the team two Super Bowls, so I think he's earned the right to resign with his head held high, but he's done after this season.
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Everybody's covered the now typical game-changing play call. But I would like to ask a less important but perhaps more alarming coaching decision. Can anyone explain why Coughlin challenged a two-yard placement of the ball, resulting in nothing but a lost time-out? Maybe I've missed some obvious rationale. I hope so.
Say goodbye to Father Tom. A fake field goal would have been the option if any other were taken. Aw shucks Eli is getting tired around here. Maybe a new hair style , say Beckham's , would light him up a bit. "We just have to play better"....
Another mistake, a quick hint:
1.- Dallas pass play- lost game
2.- Atlanta game, pass play- lost game.
3.- patriots game, pass play-lost game.
4.- Jets game, pass play-lost game.
Do I see a pattern here, I know that you have to pass, but the giants have done it in places that called for another course of action. And Manning is a reflection of todays QB's since they are required not to think. See you.
1.- Dallas pass play- lost game
2.- Atlanta game, pass play- lost game.
3.- patriots game, pass play-lost game.
4.- Jets game, pass play-lost game.
Do I see a pattern here, I know that you have to pass, but the giants have done it in places that called for another course of action. And Manning is a reflection of todays QB's since they are required not to think. See you.
I was at the Christmas eve game in 2011, in that game with 5 minutes to go and down by five, the Jets were on the move to possibly take the lead. They were moving the ball well on the ground but once into Giants territory, for some reason Shottenheimer decided to call three pass plays, an incomplete and two sacks ending the drive and the Jets season. With very similar scripts, big breakout plays, Cruz then Beckham now, so glad this time around the outcome was in the Jets favor.
Once again Brad Wing was the best player for the Giants. 4 punts inside 20. This guy is seriously good and actually looks like he loves what he does.
To all you Monday morning quaterbacks, if Coughlin takes the three and the Jets followup with two touchdowns to win in regulation, which was entirely likely, you would all be screaming that they should have went for it on fourth down. Even Fouts agreed with the decision. The Giant's two minute defense is like a siv and can't be trusted, both Eli and Tom know this which is why they went for it. Also, what about their four minute offense, they can't execute when it counts, this is the difference between contenders and pretenders, face it.
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I don't hate the call. The Giants have blown leads all season so I'm not surprised he decided to go against "the book" there to try to put the game away rather than trust his defense with a 13 point lead again. And frankly - the Jets drove the ball easily their last two possessions. So all that would have happened differently is they can't settle for a field goal on first possession. Maybe they fail on 4th down... Or maybe against this year's Giants defense... They don't. Take a look at the game stats. If you hadn't watched the game the stats look like an easy Jets win. Giant defense is good until the game is on the line and bad when it is. What coach would feel secure playing by the book in those circumstances?
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Eli Manning's $84 million contract. Coughlin will be gone after this season. But Giant management is stuck with Manning for the next five years at $1 million plus per game. In NFL football, the media always credits the QB for leading the team or being a "two time Super Bowl winner." So too must the QB take the blame for the losses and missing the playoffs.
I am not one to call for people's heads but the 4th down play changes that. It was a foolish decision and not just through the lens of hindsight. First, the Giants are playing for a playoff position and this game was very important. Next, the difference between a 13 point lead in football and a 10 point lead is huge. Third, the Giant offense is far from a sure bet to make 2 yards that far into the red zone. I don't have the statistics on that but I'm confident it was a long shot statistically. I think Tom Coughlin lost his mind and it's time for a shakeup. Sadly, I think the same is true at QB.
I'm pleased the Jets won, but they have to stop with all the stupid, sloppy penalties. To paraphrase the actor Lee Marvin, when he won an Oscar for the movie Cat Ballou; half of this (win) belongs to the other team in New York.
This is the worst Giants defense since the Allie Sherman days. This mess is on the General Manager, this team has been in steady decline for the last 4 years and to blame losses on coaching decisions or to say this is an underachieving team is ridiculous. Take a look at this roster, especially the defense and the offense line, even at full strength it is barely mediocre. The coach undoubtedly will lose his job but whoever the next coach is he will suffer the same fate if this roster is not greatly improved and based on this General Manager's track record I don't see that happening.
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I totally agree -- what is the Giant's track record with drafting players -- how many Giants' first-round picks are still on the team? Who is responsible or this defensive line? Either the Giants cannot draft players well or they don't develop players well -- it's hard to know, but clearly something is wrong and it is not entirely the Coach's fault.
Even if the Giants win this game, the decision to go for A TD when you can easily get 3 a 13 point lead is an unacceptable mistake at this juncture of the game and season. Take the points!! Take the points! This debacle , like others this season, starts at the top. Tom and Eli both must know it is the wrong call in retrospect--but managed to ,once again, overthink a simple play. Take the points!!!
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A 13 point lead gets you beat by 1 if the other team gets two touchdowns. A 17 point lead seals the deal. And if you miss the TD you make them drive the length of the field and burn clock doing it.
If any of the above scenarios unfolds and your team wins, your coach is a genius who believes in his team and his team responds.
Second-guess much?
If any of the above scenarios unfolds and your team wins, your coach is a genius who believes in his team and his team responds.
Second-guess much?
Coughlin is like the guy at the blackjack table who thinks he knows the odds better than what the book says. Today he split tens against an Ace.
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i am a Jet fan but to say Tom's decision to go for 1rst dwn over a could be game clinching field goal made him an idiot is ridiculous. Any pro game is about a decision to put a deciding factor into the hands of your players. His faith was not rewarded. We are all too committed to after results as opposed to our thoughts of how it was at the time. Just say'n. Happy Jets won but it doesn't make Tom an idiot.
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hardly a game clinching FG. If it was, he would've gone for it.
He made the right call -- unfortunately sports are results orientated and the "right call" barely has time to even out like most statistical gambits.
He made the right call -- unfortunately sports are results orientated and the "right call" barely has time to even out like most statistical gambits.
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Jets fan here too and I disagree with you completely. Giants fans at the game wanted their team to go for it. After an 11 minute drive, to settle for a field goal that still gives the other team an outside chance to steal it would have been to show no faith in your players. Two yards for a first down, four for a TD that would ice the game.
The failure this season has not been these kinds of decisions, it has been a veteran QB, Eli, making hideous mistakes in these situations. Coughlin is going down in flames because his veteran QB has imploded this season.
The failure this season has not been these kinds of decisions, it has been a veteran QB, Eli, making hideous mistakes in these situations. Coughlin is going down in flames because his veteran QB has imploded this season.
Year after year, it has been odd hearing so many fans call for the firing of Tom Coughlin despite his 2 Super Bowl wins--as many as the sainted Bill Parcells and only Bill Bellichek has more among current coaches.
Then again, I cannot remember any other coach who had won 2 Super Bowls whose teams have so often performed well under expectations, especially in the second half of the season. For a coach famous for his obsession with detail and consistency, his teams have been maddeningly inconsistent--even in the their championship seasons.
Then again, I cannot remember any other coach who had won 2 Super Bowls whose teams have so often performed well under expectations, especially in the second half of the season. For a coach famous for his obsession with detail and consistency, his teams have been maddeningly inconsistent--even in the their championship seasons.
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Time for the media and everyone else to stop recalling the 2 Super Bowl wins and giving Coughlin and Manning all of the credit as if the two of them won all by themselves. The Super Bowls are history now. It's like giving a surgeon credit for saving someone's life while 10 others died on the operating table.
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Another day or predictable offense (run on first down, never throw a quick short pass) for a decidedly 1950s offense. Yes, injuries galore all season, but also four games that could have been won with more creativity on the offense. I admire Coughlin but it is time for him to step down at the end of this season.
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If the Giants had taken the field goal them the Jets strategy would have changed and they very well might have won the game in regulation. Coughlin obviously didn't have faith in his defense and he was proven right.
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To be fair there was the logic to Coughlin's call: Kick the field goal and the Jets have the time to score two the touchdowns and win the game -they came within six yards of doing just that. Getting the first gives four more the plays to get the TD (and close the game as the Giants have been criticized for being incapable of doing) and as important run more the time off of the clock. He has a star receiver in Odell Beckham Jr, a man who can catch balls he gets but one hand upon and a couple of other highly capable receivers. And he has a proven QB in Eli Manning to get them the ball, (if his QB were say Geno Smith well... send out the FG unit). Players of this caliber are expected to make the plays when the game is on the line. Basically IMHO the decision was to either give it to his pro bowl caliber offensive stars to close out the game or leave it to the 'not-exactly-causing-offensive-coordinators-the-sleepless-nights' defense to do so. He trusted the offensive stars, was the right call; they failed to deliver, happens.
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And yet, the Giants might still win their division with a 7-9 record, and then have a home game in the first round against, say, an 11-5 wildcard team. Kind makes the regular season entirely irrelevant, doesn't it?
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If Coughlin has to go so does the offensive coordinator. He called a series of running plays that went no where. The play calling is not Eli's fault.
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You could see it coming. What was Coughlin thinking in not taking the three points? Wow!
The Giants don't deserve to win another game this season. A total embarrassment!
The Giants don't deserve to win another game this season. A total embarrassment!
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Fire Reese, the arçitect behind this debacle, and announce TC's retirement asap. Then Mara should begin process for new coach appointment, and then clean out remainder of FO thereafter. The overall organizational culture needs immediate change.
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The Giant offense inside the 20 yard line: The Dead Zone
In this the Ta-Ta Tom Tour (he will have a strong urge to spend more time with his family), that smell is not the Jersey swamp land.
Poor clock management.
Poor player discipline (Bend It like Beckham)
Poor play calling (your offense has been "sluggish"...take the points when you can)
Worst Money Zone defense in the league.
Zero points in the second half.
A time not conditioned to play 60 minutes.
A Snickers QB: Sometimes he's elite Eli but then he turns into Ellie Mae.
No decent tight end for years.
The list goes on.
Ta-Ta Tom
In this the Ta-Ta Tom Tour (he will have a strong urge to spend more time with his family), that smell is not the Jersey swamp land.
Poor clock management.
Poor player discipline (Bend It like Beckham)
Poor play calling (your offense has been "sluggish"...take the points when you can)
Worst Money Zone defense in the league.
Zero points in the second half.
A time not conditioned to play 60 minutes.
A Snickers QB: Sometimes he's elite Eli but then he turns into Ellie Mae.
No decent tight end for years.
The list goes on.
Ta-Ta Tom
at least the Giants don't have a long plane ride home
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The march to 5-11 continues. Quit crying about Coughlin. He gave the offense the chance to score a touchdown to put the game out of reach and they failed.
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Coughlin was an idiot not to take the field goal and I felt that before the terrible play unfolded. The Giants haven't been able to make that kind of play all year and the Jets had already stopped them when they only needed a yard for a TD earlier and he chose to kick the FG then. A FG at the later point would have had twice as much value as earlier in the game.
I think Tom has finally lost it and should be replaced. His decision making used to be conservative but consistent- now he's all over the map. Thanks for the memories Tom- it was a great run.
I think Tom has finally lost it and should be replaced. His decision making used to be conservative but consistent- now he's all over the map. Thanks for the memories Tom- it was a great run.
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Time for Tom to retire...
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Giants fan since 1952 and never called for the coach's head, but now I say it's time for both a coaching and a quarterback change. This year in particular has seen terrible calls/plays from Coughlin and Manning. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory, starting with the Dallas game, has become predictable.
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Not even Allie Sherman's head?
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Pete, didn't they just give this quarterback $84M deal? I agree with you. Time for a change on both sides.
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Manning has 65,000,000 in guaranteed money. He isn't going anywhere.
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It's again time to fly a plane over the stadium with a message attached to the tail. The Giants are an embarrassment and a joke.
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Ginats 'cough' it up again
Giants are loyal to a fault-
they shouldn't have brought back coughlin
he is the worst coach ever to win two super bowls
and gomer pyle manning- with his golly look
plus Beckham act is getting tired- as was Cruz dancing
now that jets don't have a clown as coach, worth rooting for
Giants are loyal to a fault-
they shouldn't have brought back coughlin
he is the worst coach ever to win two super bowls
and gomer pyle manning- with his golly look
plus Beckham act is getting tired- as was Cruz dancing
now that jets don't have a clown as coach, worth rooting for
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Are you a new Jets fan Steve? Actually it doesn't matter, but personally
I see nothing at all wrong with Giants players showing enthusiasm when they make great plays.
Steve, not all that many NFL coaches or quarterbacks have ever won 2 Super Bowls.
Lighten up.
I see nothing at all wrong with Giants players showing enthusiasm when they make great plays.
Steve, not all that many NFL coaches or quarterbacks have ever won 2 Super Bowls.
Lighten up.
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My Jets are so maddeningly inconsistent, but to shut the Giants out in the second half after that 20 point second quarter explosion says an enormous amount about what this team is capable of.
I have no concerns about the offense as long as they hold onto the ball as they did today. Fitz is as sharp as any QB in the league at delivering a catchable ball, most of the time in stride. This offense is a well oiled machine when his receivers earn their paychecks.
Special teams is an epic disaster and it must get cleaned up immediately. We've lost one game at least directly due to failure to execute on special teams and it almost happened again today. Enough is enough.
If this defense can play for the rest of the season as they did in the second half today - without Revis! - then I like our chances to secure a wild card spot and see how it all shakes out.
I have no concerns about the offense as long as they hold onto the ball as they did today. Fitz is as sharp as any QB in the league at delivering a catchable ball, most of the time in stride. This offense is a well oiled machine when his receivers earn their paychecks.
Special teams is an epic disaster and it must get cleaned up immediately. We've lost one game at least directly due to failure to execute on special teams and it almost happened again today. Enough is enough.
If this defense can play for the rest of the season as they did in the second half today - without Revis! - then I like our chances to secure a wild card spot and see how it all shakes out.
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Jets secondary is atrocious, with Revis as well. Cromarte gets burned more than my wife's toast and like you said special teams are lousy. We need Westhoffer back.
What inspires me is we have a 'real' QB for the first time in 7 years. A guy who knows what to do with the ball. Fitz is the surprise of the year and if Ivory can get going again, the Jets will score lots of points.
What inspires me is we have a 'real' QB for the first time in 7 years. A guy who knows what to do with the ball. Fitz is the surprise of the year and if Ivory can get going again, the Jets will score lots of points.
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We get a running game....we gonna compete with the bestest!
It says they are capable of beating the Giants and no one else. It will be a very short playoff season if they make it at all.
I usually hold players accountable for the outcome of games, however through-out this season the coaching staff has let the Giants down over and over again. While the Giants are not a very good team the coaching has been even worse and it is time for a change at the end of the season. Yes they have injuries but so do other teams but other teams have players on the roster ready to step in where the Giants do not. I think a clean sweep is in order so a new GM can bring in his own coach.
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What was Coughlan thinking?
A pretty sloppy game but for the Jets a win is a win.
A pretty sloppy game but for the Jets a win is a win.
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These are not the same Jets I have suffered supporting for fifty years. The team showed some grit and determination. Of course having Marshall and Decker certainly helps, as does having Tom Coughlin, a great coach until maybe this year, making late game decisions.
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The Jets of course deserved the win, but the Giants are a team in which players repeatedly show a lack of focus or understanding of the roles they need to take on. The careless-lack of understanding of roles play of selected Giants has been startling since the season began and has not been eliminated.
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Including the coach.
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Coach Tom handed it to his players to put away and they did not!!
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The Giants sometimes lack in smarts and key-play execution. But never in Heart. With their remaining 4 games they have 2 huge gifts: the chance to (1) dismantle Carolina's perfect record, and (2) get revenge against the Eagles.
Play with Heart, Big Blue.
We'll see you in the playoffs.