As much as I like Joe Biden, if he enters the race at this point he'll become the 2016 version of Ralph Nader. Different circumstances and scenario, but enough similarities to draw a comparison. First, the Hillary supporters will see his entry into the race as a candidate for Democratic sexists who cannot bring themselves to vote for a woman. (And, a slap in the face to African-American Democrats.) Second, if Biden enters as the premier silver-haired white man, what does that say to all the Bernie Sanders supporters? The result? A whole lot of disappointed Democrats will likely stay home and someone from the clown car will become President. Thus, the Nader comparison.
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According to David Brock, Vice President Biden will not run because “he’ll realize that at this point in his career, he can go out with everyone’s respect and esteem". Does this mean that Hillary Clinton, having lost what was supposed to be hers in 2008, is running again because she realizes that at this point in her career, she has not earned everyone's respect and esteem? It's too late!
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Listening to Hillary squirm through the email thing all summer reminds me too much of the way Bill dealt with the Monica scandal. I'm not against Hillary and it would be great to have a Madam President once and for all, yet now, in reality she's got to do something fairly extraordinary to get me to feel enthusiastic about her candidacy.
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If Biden or Sanders ends up the nominee, I will vote for them. If Hillary runs, I might have to sit out the election. I voted for Obama an he's been quite the disappointment. But I refuse to be forced to vote for the "lesser of 2 evils", especially if the "lesser" distance between the two is so narrow, and so sleazy.
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Haw! It would appear that Hillary's presidential aspirations are spiraling down the drain and into the Perpetual Sewer of Darkness, where they assuredly belong.
How the ghastly old termagant ever had the sheer arrogance, nay, effrontery, to believe she was the "inevitable choice" of all the contemptuously dismissed rubes out in the hinterlands simply beggars belief. I can hardly wait to hear her concession comments.
How the ghastly old termagant ever had the sheer arrogance, nay, effrontery, to believe she was the "inevitable choice" of all the contemptuously dismissed rubes out in the hinterlands simply beggars belief. I can hardly wait to hear her concession comments.
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It's unfair to the country, competing candidates, donors and those who play by the rules, to see Mrs. Clinton and those around her continue to hold clearances when there are ample grounds and endless precedent for their suspension while the investigations continue.
Mrs. Clinton's team has been in the national security arena for a long time and knows when information is classified (e.g., hi-rez satellite photos, foreign intercepts) whether the markings are present or not, just as we all know when something is sexually explicit regardless of whether it contains any age or content warnings. Her lawyerly explanations are not credible and spit on the millions who play by the rules.
Mrs. Clinton's team has been in the national security arena for a long time and knows when information is classified (e.g., hi-rez satellite photos, foreign intercepts) whether the markings are present or not, just as we all know when something is sexually explicit regardless of whether it contains any age or content warnings. Her lawyerly explanations are not credible and spit on the millions who play by the rules.
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Just one comment:
I am a lifelong Democrat and love most everything about the party (warts and all, it’s been my family for my whole life). That said, if Hillary Clinton (or anyone else) overrides the primary majority with super-delegates, I will leave the Democratic Party and make it my mission in life to burn it to the ground. It will have betrayed its most core value and will be nothing more than a tool of party bosses and powered interests to legitimize their feudal aristocracy.
I am a lifelong Democrat and love most everything about the party (warts and all, it’s been my family for my whole life). That said, if Hillary Clinton (or anyone else) overrides the primary majority with super-delegates, I will leave the Democratic Party and make it my mission in life to burn it to the ground. It will have betrayed its most core value and will be nothing more than a tool of party bosses and powered interests to legitimize their feudal aristocracy.
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Biden must support the 0bama agenda, since he is partially responsible for it, so it would be quite amusing to hear Clinton bashing Biden. I'd love to see the democrats devour each other. There is no excuse for the miserable results of the last 7 years, so c'mon, Joe! Come on in and get to work on Hillary! We all love a good comedy.
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Obama's record is good and looks better now even economically. It looks stellar compared with Buch Jr.
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There just has to be something better than this.... On the GOP side at least Bush isn't being handed the nomination. It is good for all of us that both parties have people to duke it out. The political class needs to be checked, both parties. They both are leading us to ruin.
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David Brock...told Chicago Magazine his “gut” told him Mr. Biden would not run because “he’ll realize that at this point in his career, he can go out with everyone’s respect and esteem.” Yes, the esteem of everyone who hates America; and that is why they will want him to run, so that he can finish the destruction so skillfully orchestrated by Obama over the past 7 years. But there is no doubt that Hillary is also up to that task.
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You can be that behind the scenes, the Obama White House is applying a lot of pressure to Hillary to resign. Why? They know that those who defend Hilary the loudest, will be the first to jump to Biden once Obama gives his endorsement. Obama picks Biden's running mate (a liberal minority is the bet) and Obama sails into his third term with Biden as his puppet. Hillary get's her pardon from the new President in return for dropping out of the race and not risking prison. The rest is history as the fundamental transformation of America into a progressive "utopia" continues unabated.
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When Joe announces, expect an indictment to follow shortly thereafter. Of course, the indictment would have already come, were she not the heir apparent, but with this corrupt administration, that shoe has yet to drop.
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Hillary Clinton raised 41% less in total contributions for her presidential campaign in the past three months than the $47.5 million she raked in after launching her White House bid. The gulf, while not unexpected, suggests that donors have been attuned to her email controversy, sinking poll numbers, competition from Bernie Sanders and the possibility that VP Joe Biden could enter the race.
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Amazing how an article about the Democratic election can talk about the Hillary Clinton's plummeting campaign, and Joe Biden's non-existent potential campaign for over a thousand words, without once mentioning the leading presidential candidate in New Hampshire and Iowa, the winner by a landslide in practically every Internet based poll to date*, the clear fundraising leader in terms of individual contributions in all US electoral history, the one candidate who is getting millennials and gen-X to sign-up as voters and commit to vote for him or nobody, and who seems likely to gain the vote of many of the 77 million baby-boomers who have lost their savings, and many of them their house, in "the great recession", have been unable to relinquish debt through bankruptcy laws supported by Clinton and Biden, and are shortly going to discover that they are reliant on utterly inadequate social security that the Republicans want to cut and Clinton is "open" to cutting, Bernie Sanders.
Nice partisanship on display here.
Nice partisanship on display here.
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Potential felony charges loom is good reason why Biden should enter the race. A black man is facing jail time for classified violations in the military and they are low level issues. Private Chelsea (Bradley) Manning is in jail for passing low level Cable leaks from State to Wikileaks.
Why would Hillary get off scot free when it would be a clear case of racial discrimination and gender discrimination for others to be tried, convicted and jailed!!! The President could evoke Executive Privilage to Hillary but I doubt he would because it would look like a cover up plus discrimination and Obama is a better man than know. Plus he knows Scooter Libby was prosecuted and his sentence was waived (Pardoned) by former President Bush but the felony is still on his record.
When will gov treat Americans equally. If Black Lives Matter then Hillary must be treated the same. Right?
Why would Hillary get off scot free when it would be a clear case of racial discrimination and gender discrimination for others to be tried, convicted and jailed!!! The President could evoke Executive Privilage to Hillary but I doubt he would because it would look like a cover up plus discrimination and Obama is a better man than know. Plus he knows Scooter Libby was prosecuted and his sentence was waived (Pardoned) by former President Bush but the felony is still on his record.
When will gov treat Americans equally. If Black Lives Matter then Hillary must be treated the same. Right?
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This election increasingly evokes the "choices" we had in 1972--Nixon and McGovern. I think Hillary and Trump are just as awful.
If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination, the Republicans should run a silent commercial with a picture of Bill and Hillary and this caption underneath:
---"Aren't you tired of these people?"
If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination, the Republicans should run a silent commercial with a picture of Bill and Hillary and this caption underneath:
---"Aren't you tired of these people?"
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Is it me or does browbeating / cajoling / coercing delegates to commit before the primary or election is even held kind of not consistent with the concept of democracy?
She doing the "the debate is over, the science is settled" thing before others have even had a chance to be heard.
She doing the "the debate is over, the science is settled" thing before others have even had a chance to be heard.
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I'm not a Democrat but if I was, I would want Biden in the race. If the window of opportunity fro him to enter closes, and the email scandal blows up into an indictment - then what? Do you really think the general electorate is going to vote for a self-proclaimed socialist in November of 2016? Also, Hillary has plenty of unsavory friends and other scandals waiting in the wings to threaten her candidacy.
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"Warts and all", VP Biden has served our country and the Obama administration very well, is fully qualified to be president and is far superior to anyone the GOP has to offer.
According to the polls I've seen on the Real Clear Politics site, he's doing better than Hillary Clinton in head-to-head match-ups against all the possible GOP candidates. But, it's early and that could change.
Bottom line, he should make up his mind. If he's in, a Biden-Clinton ticket might be the way to go. If he's out, his goal should be to be sure the Dems win in 2016, and gain back some Senate and House seats.
The speculation and "inside baseball" is a diversion that's taking the focus off the truly serious issue facing our country: think of the consequences of a Trump or Cruz or Bush or Carson or Fiorina or ... (you know the rest) presidency.
According to the polls I've seen on the Real Clear Politics site, he's doing better than Hillary Clinton in head-to-head match-ups against all the possible GOP candidates. But, it's early and that could change.
Bottom line, he should make up his mind. If he's in, a Biden-Clinton ticket might be the way to go. If he's out, his goal should be to be sure the Dems win in 2016, and gain back some Senate and House seats.
The speculation and "inside baseball" is a diversion that's taking the focus off the truly serious issue facing our country: think of the consequences of a Trump or Cruz or Bush or Carson or Fiorina or ... (you know the rest) presidency.
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I respect Joe and would certainly consider voting for him. If it were him against any Republican (sans Kasich) it wouldn't be a serious question for me.
At the very least he would succeed as comforter-in-chief, at a time when so many are so discouraged and hopeless about our country.
At the very least he would succeed as comforter-in-chief, at a time when so many are so discouraged and hopeless about our country.
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Even though the article doesn't actually come out and say it, the delegate "roadblocks" to Biden planned by Team Hillary will affect Bernie Sanders and anyone else that might decide to jump into the race. I find the whole thing despicible.
Essentially, it makes a mockery of the political process. Why bother having a convention if the delegates are "locked-up" beforehand? This is what you have to do to win, Hillary? You can't win on your platform; on your stellar record in public office? Clearly, she can't bear to have any competition that might challenge that "inevitability."
Perhaps it's time to rethink this already politically corrupt process and select the candidate based on a "popular vote." Instead of a corrupt political machine, give the people the power to select the party candidate.
The fact that she shies away from doing an interview with Stephen Colbert makes you wonder how she will manage the debates. Will she send in Bill to do the debates as well?
Essentially, it makes a mockery of the political process. Why bother having a convention if the delegates are "locked-up" beforehand? This is what you have to do to win, Hillary? You can't win on your platform; on your stellar record in public office? Clearly, she can't bear to have any competition that might challenge that "inevitability."
Perhaps it's time to rethink this already politically corrupt process and select the candidate based on a "popular vote." Instead of a corrupt political machine, give the people the power to select the party candidate.
The fact that she shies away from doing an interview with Stephen Colbert makes you wonder how she will manage the debates. Will she send in Bill to do the debates as well?
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Joe might not be the brightest bulb on the tree, but at least he is pretty honest. unlike the democratic front runner. It's either Joe, or Bernie because the people West of the Hudson River won't stand for another Clinton. (or Bush)
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Clinton's comment on bankruptcy legislation sounds like fence-straddling. I wonder if that is because her positions have been too close to Biden's. As a Senator, Joe Biden repeatedly opposed legislation that would have forced more corporations to file bankruptcy in the places where they actually employ people and do business, rather than (surprise, surprise) Delaware.
It appears to me that any move to check Joe Biden is a move designed to consolidate support in an effort to remain competitive against a surging Bernie Sanders...
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"This week, David Brock, who created the pro-Clinton group Correct the Record, which is coordinating with Mrs. Clinton’s campaign..."
I think this is hilarious. When one of your key "pro-" groups has to be called "Correct The Record," it seems like that speaks volumes about the candidate's image. I wonder why Brock chose that name? Perhaps "Hillary: Technically Not A Felon" was already taken.
I think this is hilarious. When one of your key "pro-" groups has to be called "Correct The Record," it seems like that speaks volumes about the candidate's image. I wonder why Brock chose that name? Perhaps "Hillary: Technically Not A Felon" was already taken.
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The Dems are suffering form the same tunnel vision the GOP establishment is afflicted with. Both are trying to push deeply "establishment" candidates, are are baffled by the voters refusal to embrace them.
If it were to be a Bush-Clinton contest, I suggest that the voter turnout would be at an absolute record low. Despite the wishes of party insiders, it is unlikely that either will win their respective nomination.
For Bush, the chance is near zero. He won't even be a power broker at the convention. Clinton's chances are unclear. If she can weather the scandal storm, she will be coronated. Dem voters will have to choose between Hilda's scandal minefield and Biden's 30 years of on record gaffes. I expect the Dem voter would choose ruthless over witless, but she may be forced out before they can vote.
I expect the most likely result will be Rubio-Biden.
If it were to be a Bush-Clinton contest, I suggest that the voter turnout would be at an absolute record low. Despite the wishes of party insiders, it is unlikely that either will win their respective nomination.
For Bush, the chance is near zero. He won't even be a power broker at the convention. Clinton's chances are unclear. If she can weather the scandal storm, she will be coronated. Dem voters will have to choose between Hilda's scandal minefield and Biden's 30 years of on record gaffes. I expect the Dem voter would choose ruthless over witless, but she may be forced out before they can vote.
I expect the most likely result will be Rubio-Biden.
Biden would bring two things to the race that no other candidate -- Democrat or Republican -- can offer: (1) he's a moderate, career politician who doesn't pretend that he's not a Washington insider, and (2) he's not afraid to tell 'the Base" that "bipartisan" and "compromise" are not dirty words.
If Biden were to say, "I'm running for one term and one term only with the goal of bringing bipartisanship and compromise back to Washington," and if he'd do it with Elizabeth Warren as his running mate, he'd be unbeatable. Warren is a smart, energetic populist who criticizes Democrats and Republicans with equal fervor. Between the two of them, we might actually see something we haven't seen in a long time:legislation introduced, debated, and actually passed by Congress and pictures of signing ceremonies with Senators/Representatives from both parties standing behind the President.
If Biden were to say, "I'm running for one term and one term only with the goal of bringing bipartisanship and compromise back to Washington," and if he'd do it with Elizabeth Warren as his running mate, he'd be unbeatable. Warren is a smart, energetic populist who criticizes Democrats and Republicans with equal fervor. Between the two of them, we might actually see something we haven't seen in a long time:legislation introduced, debated, and actually passed by Congress and pictures of signing ceremonies with Senators/Representatives from both parties standing behind the President.
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Ms Clinton's fear should come from the fact that she is a proved serial liar and that she has accomplished nothing in her career. Nothing.
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It's not about the "email scandal," it's about over a year of Hillary lying to the American people about the server and the whereabouts of the emails. The FBI will determine if she has broken a law, but her lack of ethics alone should in the minds of voters disqualify her from running for the Democrat nomination. This is where Biden comes in. I'm leaning GOP but I'd vote for Joe instead by virtue of his saving us from a Hillary presidency. Nobody's perfect, but pathological lying is beneath the dignity of any public figure, let alone the president of the US. Joe can be trusted, Hillary not so much.
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For the life of me, I can't understand how any decent American can support this criminal. She is totally corrupt and lies as often as Obama.
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I don't why this woman continues to thrash around in agony. She's not going to stop Biden or anyone else. She can jimmy anything within the party she wants to. She can blackmail delegates, she can hold folks at gunpoint. But in the final
analysis ...the people won't elect her. If fools think the whole scenario lies within the nomination, they're chimps.
analysis ...the people won't elect her. If fools think the whole scenario lies within the nomination, they're chimps.
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I find it increasingly difficult to comprehend how any rationale Democrat would be opposed to Joe getting in. If one views this from a GOP perspective, they should be the ones hoping Joe stays out. Any sensible Republican would far prefer to run against the deeply wounded and widely loathed Mrs. Clinton as opposed to the daft but affable Mr. Biden.
Nominating Mrs. Clinton is, at this point, a total shot in the dark. She has massive credibility problems and she's perhaps the most wooden, unlikable political figure in recent history. That's a deadly combination for a politician. Add to that that she's trying to run in an election cycle that is clearly an "anti-establishment" cycle, and with her being the queen of the establishment political class, one wonders what anybody sees in her.
Biden isn't anything to write home about and he's certainly a life member of the political class himself. But, he's at least generally viewed as a mostly likable, mostly honest old time politician. He's miles preferable to the venal, scandal rich House of Clinton.
Nominating Mrs. Clinton is, at this point, a total shot in the dark. She has massive credibility problems and she's perhaps the most wooden, unlikable political figure in recent history. That's a deadly combination for a politician. Add to that that she's trying to run in an election cycle that is clearly an "anti-establishment" cycle, and with her being the queen of the establishment political class, one wonders what anybody sees in her.
Biden isn't anything to write home about and he's certainly a life member of the political class himself. But, he's at least generally viewed as a mostly likable, mostly honest old time politician. He's miles preferable to the venal, scandal rich House of Clinton.
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I think Hillary Clinton should focus more on being the first woman president. This is huge for women, but also for the nation.
When we landed on the moon is was: "one small step for man. One giant leap for mankind." With a woman president is is one small step for women. One giant leap for humankind."
We need sexual balance in our politics. Then men are making a mess of things. We have gridlock in government. I say give the women a chance to balance things so we can move forward.
Run HIllary, run!
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When we landed on the moon is was: "one small step for man. One giant leap for mankind." With a woman president is is one small step for women. One giant leap for humankind."
We need sexual balance in our politics. Then men are making a mess of things. We have gridlock in government. I say give the women a chance to balance things so we can move forward.
Run HIllary, run!
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So you think a corrupt, lying criminal should be our first female president? How sad for you.
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@ Harry Pearle
As for your admonition that Ms Clinton as POTUS would be good for women and for the nation, can you please spare some time to educate me? What has this individual done to make her qualified to hold the highest office in the land, if not the world? Simply because of genetic make up? Not a qualifier in most eyes. How about accomplishments, can you please tell me what she has done to qualify?
Thank you but i imagine I will only hear 'chirps'
As for your admonition that Ms Clinton as POTUS would be good for women and for the nation, can you please spare some time to educate me? What has this individual done to make her qualified to hold the highest office in the land, if not the world? Simply because of genetic make up? Not a qualifier in most eyes. How about accomplishments, can you please tell me what she has done to qualify?
Thank you but i imagine I will only hear 'chirps'
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A woman is probably running for POTUS, and it is Dr. Jill Stein, for the Green Party. I voted for her in 2012. As for Hillary Clinton "caring about women and children", please verify that with the widows and orphans of Iraq, victims of her politically calculated (meaning, not a mistake, as she now dishonestly claims) vote for George Bush's disastrous war.
The New York Times chose to run this article criticizing Clinton, when what should have been one of the main headlines on the front page of the New York Times is that the potential Republican speaker of the House bragged that the tax payer funded Benghazi committee was formed and specifically designed to hurt Hillary Clinton politically. Why has the NYT buried that in minimal mentions in the fourth to sixth paragraphs within an article focusing on McCarthy? Most people reading the headline, “Kevin McCarthy, House Speaker Favorite, Go From Buddy to Boss?” would think the article was about McCarthy and skip over it. The NYT knows this, while they were more than willing to run a false headline about Hillary Clinton, “Criminal Inquiry Sought in Hillary Clinton's ....” and stay on it for days. What should be a major headline about the honest gaffe exposing the true work of the Republicans, this Potemkin village of a truth finding committee, this political stunt, is instead inserted in the bottom of the fourth paragraph. Following it is only the quote by McCarthy and one sentence of a response from Hillary Clinton. Please! Compare that to the space devoted in this article to disparage Clinton.
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Because the Benghazi panel isn't news. Everyone knew that it was set up solely to hurt Hillary Clinton. The same way that the planned parenthood panel was set up to hurt funding the organization. That's how Congress works.
I can see that you are a Hillary supporter and want to ignore the fact that the committed numerous violations of federal law...some of the same laws that Gen. Patreus was charged with. That is big news when a Secretary of State violates federal law.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this but at a certain point Obama isn't going to be able to shield Hillary anymore and she will be charged with crimes. She is not going to be the next President.
I can see that you are a Hillary supporter and want to ignore the fact that the committed numerous violations of federal law...some of the same laws that Gen. Patreus was charged with. That is big news when a Secretary of State violates federal law.
I'm sorry to have to tell you this but at a certain point Obama isn't going to be able to shield Hillary anymore and she will be charged with crimes. She is not going to be the next President.
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I haven't read the other article, but in what way does this article disparage Hillary Clinton? It says she is trying to build out her support among party leaders in case Biden enters the race. How is that disparaging?
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Yes, clearly the only fair thing to do would be for the NYT to select topics, points of view and article placement that support only your personal political views.
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We need a new landscape in politics, particularly on the Democratic side. These players are old news and are not accomplished in anything other than internal party politics. None of them have actually contributed to tangible results that benefit the people. The combination of lack of performance, dreadful personal behavior and outright lying in one case, really lowers the bar for current talent.
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I like Bernie, but Joe has my vote! Run Joe
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As a long time Republican that has recently become independent, I could actually support ol' Joe. I could never vote for Hilary under any circumstances.
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I'm betting Joe's going to wait a month, six weeks then announce a Biden/Warren ticket.
Warren will pick up the minority and female vote, and the old establishment Democrats will vote for Biden.
Warren will pick up the minority and female vote, and the old establishment Democrats will vote for Biden.
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Hillary cant/wont win the general election. She isn't liked and she isn't trusted. I think someone on this board said she has "anti-charisma" and I agree with that.
Since 2008 then she has only done things that will harm her chances -- not help them. Bengazi is baloney and only the right thinks it matters. They are preaching to the already converted. But the email issue will be (has already been) her undoing. It was stupid and short-sighted. It seems sneaky and vaguely dishonest. She will NOT inspire voters to come out for her -- which is why she would lose the general election.
We dems need to find SOMEBODY who can inspire people to get off their butts and vote. Bernie? Joe? I am not sure. But it isn't Hillary.
Since 2008 then she has only done things that will harm her chances -- not help them. Bengazi is baloney and only the right thinks it matters. They are preaching to the already converted. But the email issue will be (has already been) her undoing. It was stupid and short-sighted. It seems sneaky and vaguely dishonest. She will NOT inspire voters to come out for her -- which is why she would lose the general election.
We dems need to find SOMEBODY who can inspire people to get off their butts and vote. Bernie? Joe? I am not sure. But it isn't Hillary.
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John Chicago - by stating your opinion that Hillary keeping her email legally on private server 'seems sneaky and vaguely dishonest - when many of us have done the same - also quite legally - is blatantly your opinion and in my opinion completely dishonest.
When any of us work for a corporation we own our personal communication as much as they do. But, if any of us are ever fired by a corporation, our email access is the first to go. Therefore, as our own legal protection it is in our best interest to have an independent record of events.
Americans with any brains should be lauding Hillary for being cautious and controlling her own communication. Say you were working for Volkswagen and had complained or questioned its software, and they had canned you and locked you out of your email? Would you have wished you had kept an off-line 'mirror server record' of your communication in that case? BCC you bet.
When any of us work for a corporation we own our personal communication as much as they do. But, if any of us are ever fired by a corporation, our email access is the first to go. Therefore, as our own legal protection it is in our best interest to have an independent record of events.
Americans with any brains should be lauding Hillary for being cautious and controlling her own communication. Say you were working for Volkswagen and had complained or questioned its software, and they had canned you and locked you out of your email? Would you have wished you had kept an off-line 'mirror server record' of your communication in that case? BCC you bet.
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Have the documents obtained mention Biden? I think the answer to that is obvious. They don't, because if they did, some article would say so. Clinton is running to win. What should she be doing other than trying to consolidate support? The endless speculation about Biden isn't helpful--he'll get in or he won't. She remains a strong candidate, but the media has decided to go all out against her; if it was interested in a fair race, it would stop speculating and start reporting on policies and differences between candidates.
The Times mentiones Robert Wolf (Chairman of UBS that was saved by Hillary when the IRS tried to get owed taxes from the rich hiding their money there. UBS paid Bill 7 figures and is now financing her campaign to return the favor.) in a Hillary article? Are you trying to sabotage her campaign? Next they will be writing articles about Bill and Robert Rubin repealing Glass-Steagall and Rubin heading over to Citi to make 20M a year as well as many other Clintonites as a result.
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Joe stay out of the race- we already have one NeoLiberal running and her name is Hillary.
Run and your authoring the Crime Bill that helped fuel incarceration Nation, the Bankruptcy Bill that hung College Debt (cannot be discharged, Thanks Joe) around a generation of students and the plagiarized Foote Speech will be on the TV 24/7/365.
By the way, Hillary supporters, she supported the Crime Bill campaigning for her husband and voted for the Bankruptcy Bill. Bernie opposed both.
I think the CNN Debate will allow many to see Hillary for the political creature she is, Senator Sanders for the real Democrat he is and Governor O'Malley for the serious candidate he should be treated as.
Stay home Joe and watch Hillary get roasted by the real Democrats.
Run and your authoring the Crime Bill that helped fuel incarceration Nation, the Bankruptcy Bill that hung College Debt (cannot be discharged, Thanks Joe) around a generation of students and the plagiarized Foote Speech will be on the TV 24/7/365.
By the way, Hillary supporters, she supported the Crime Bill campaigning for her husband and voted for the Bankruptcy Bill. Bernie opposed both.
I think the CNN Debate will allow many to see Hillary for the political creature she is, Senator Sanders for the real Democrat he is and Governor O'Malley for the serious candidate he should be treated as.
Stay home Joe and watch Hillary get roasted by the real Democrats.
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There's nothing uncompromised or honest about Hillary. That said, if the Republicans run a yahoo, I have to vote for her -- and then take 10 showers.
Go Biden. Go Bernie.
But how about yet someone else? A truly excellent leader -- there's a bunch of you out there, it'll be hell, but the country needs you.
Go Biden. Go Bernie.
But how about yet someone else? A truly excellent leader -- there's a bunch of you out there, it'll be hell, but the country needs you.
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The Democrats already have an excellent candidate in the person of Jim Webb, but he has been totally blacked out by the news media, especially the New York Times.
Give him a look; one term senator who voted against the Iraq War, a former Secretary of the Navy, and one without a lot of baggage, whereas Hillary needs an ocean container to hold hers.
Give him a look; one term senator who voted against the Iraq War, a former Secretary of the Navy, and one without a lot of baggage, whereas Hillary needs an ocean container to hold hers.
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As an ex-pat living abroad. I find it absurd that politics re the 2016 Presidential election is playing out this early. Could this really be an epidode of the t.v. series Survivor, and is this an indication or the public's level of intellectual skills.
To date... we have had comedic- like statements made by individuals who would be challenged by running a corner grocery store (not to disparage those hard working Americans). Every candidate is trying to check-mate all other pretenders. Wouldn't it be nice to elect someone who was not driven by ego, but by a desire to genuinely guide this country and put its citizens first???
To date... we have had comedic- like statements made by individuals who would be challenged by running a corner grocery store (not to disparage those hard working Americans). Every candidate is trying to check-mate all other pretenders. Wouldn't it be nice to elect someone who was not driven by ego, but by a desire to genuinely guide this country and put its citizens first???
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Hillary Clinton has a lot of support, but the number of people who don't trust her or just don't like her is huge, and her chances of winning the Presidency, though still good, are also scarily low. A Republican President would be very bad for our country.
Bernie Sanders, though he identifies as a socialist, has, I submit, at least as good a chance of winning because there's little doubt about his honesty. Independents would flock to him. His policies are good for the nation, logical, compassionate and forward-looking. In other words, Clinton should back away now and ask her supporters to turn to him. She would be widely admired and leave a better legacy than she'll have any other way, methinks.
Bernie Sanders, though he identifies as a socialist, has, I submit, at least as good a chance of winning because there's little doubt about his honesty. Independents would flock to him. His policies are good for the nation, logical, compassionate and forward-looking. In other words, Clinton should back away now and ask her supporters to turn to him. She would be widely admired and leave a better legacy than she'll have any other way, methinks.
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Her lust for power and sense of entitlement would not allow her to make such a decision, as admirable as it would be. She comes first, not the country, and that is the bottom line.
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The democratic field is starting to look like the cast of a Looney Tunes movie.
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Perhaps Yogi Bear would agree with Booboo - but the rest of us observe the twenty odd- and we do mean odd- Republicans running and have difficulty associating any of them with mildly sane or credible positions.
If Biden does run, I hope their debates (joined by Sanders), would focus on how they would address and nuance national and international concerns, rather than drawing out negatives of their opponents. (Let the GOP circus club continue to do that.) Animated discussions with well-seasoned Democrats could do much to illuminate the positives of Democratic leadership in this Country - and what remains to be done to make this world a better place.
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Why is it that all these "well seasoned" politicians leave a bad taste in my mouth?
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By "positive Democratic leadership", are you referring to the Obama Administration?
Or perhaps Sanders the Socialist? Oh wait, I know, the lying, cheating, thieves, that are the Clintons.
Sheesh, I'll take the circus.
Or perhaps Sanders the Socialist? Oh wait, I know, the lying, cheating, thieves, that are the Clintons.
Sheesh, I'll take the circus.
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Our email accounts have been relentlessly sabotaged by Hillary Clinton's supporters, requesting funds from us over and over again, sometimes up to twenty times a day. We kindly return the emails (not that anyone is reading our responses) with the message that at this point in time we are fully supporting BERNIE SANDERS IN 2016.
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After six plus years in shackles, it would be refreshing to see Joe Biden out on the stump being himself. And a lot of people on the other side may be surprised at what he says.
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The problem for Hillary is Biden has a life and she doesn't. Plus having Bill's support is of dubious value. Just ask Al Gore.
My hunch is Biden's playing polite gentleman waiting for Hillary to get all that before declaring. And driving people who know she will never, nuts in the process. In the meanwhile the Sanders hot-air balloon keeps going helter-skelter.
The only candidate that's getting better with time is Trump. If he makes peace with Paul, it'll get him serious momentum.
Run, Joe! The country needs you.
My hunch is Biden's playing polite gentleman waiting for Hillary to get all that before declaring. And driving people who know she will never, nuts in the process. In the meanwhile the Sanders hot-air balloon keeps going helter-skelter.
The only candidate that's getting better with time is Trump. If he makes peace with Paul, it'll get him serious momentum.
Run, Joe! The country needs you.
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When the Teamsters hedge their bets; all bets are off. The Clinton camp has much to fear and that's only the half of it.
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Biden is a plagiarist and Hillary lied under oath to a Federal Court about her email server, which makes her a felon yet to be prosecuted.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/us/politics/string-of-emails-raises-qu...
When is the Times going to stop passively condoning the lack of debate on the Democratic side? When is the Times going to stop all this sideshow nonsense and Biden baloney and talk about serious issues that Hillary and Bernie disagree about, like breaking up the gargantuan banks, taxing high recency trading, affordable college, whether the system is rigged to favor only the 1%, clamping down on offshore tax cheats, universal health care, spying on civilians, the Patriot Act and the obvious lies the Senate overlooked when indefensibly voting to authorize the President to use force in Iraq, or wherever, until the end of time?
There is a revolution happening and you are trying to cover it up. It smells of corruption.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/26/us/politics/string-of-emails-raises-qu...
When is the Times going to stop passively condoning the lack of debate on the Democratic side? When is the Times going to stop all this sideshow nonsense and Biden baloney and talk about serious issues that Hillary and Bernie disagree about, like breaking up the gargantuan banks, taxing high recency trading, affordable college, whether the system is rigged to favor only the 1%, clamping down on offshore tax cheats, universal health care, spying on civilians, the Patriot Act and the obvious lies the Senate overlooked when indefensibly voting to authorize the President to use force in Iraq, or wherever, until the end of time?
There is a revolution happening and you are trying to cover it up. It smells of corruption.
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Wow, people, don't hold back. Tell us what you really think. Didn't know so many right-wingers even read the NYT. As for the Republican "deep bench," I assume you mean that sophomoric group of frat boys plus the fraternity sweetheart whom none of them can stand.
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The Times doesn't need to mention Bernie Sanders because he is raising money and garnering increasing support from the citizens of this country, not the 'super delegates' who in our massively rigged political structure are assumed by the Clinton campaign and the with-it corporate media to be the real 'deciders'. Have fun Sander supports, they implicitly say, sending in your $35 and talking about the critical issues facing our country and the world -- none of these hand-picked corporo-Dems will let him get the nomination no matter what happens in the primaries.
Exposing the appalling disdain for democratic process that both political parties show is central to the Sanders campaign: can someone who is running on the issues and genuinely challenging the corrupting influence of billionaires and corporate power honestly compete? Sanders supporters like me need to be actively illuminating these intra-party back-room power structures as part of our 'political revolution'.
Exposing the appalling disdain for democratic process that both political parties show is central to the Sanders campaign: can someone who is running on the issues and genuinely challenging the corrupting influence of billionaires and corporate power honestly compete? Sanders supporters like me need to be actively illuminating these intra-party back-room power structures as part of our 'political revolution'.
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News flash to the NYT: Hillary Clinton will likely lose to Bernie Sanders in New Hampshire and Iowa. I suspect that after the Democratic debates begin, she will be trailing him in the national polls as well. I'm waiting for the NYT to run other similar stories to this one in the coming weeks, presumably titled "O'Malley Camp Looks To Undercut Webb In Virginia" or "Santorum Camp Concerned About Walker Resurgence."
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Begins to fear???
I give Hillary's people a lot more credit than that.
I'm sure they've been fearful for some time now!
I give Hillary's people a lot more credit than that.
I'm sure they've been fearful for some time now!
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With the Clintons, there's always another shoe waiting to drop. Our country does not need a drama queen with all her baggage for president. Every time I read a story about Billary or anything having to do with their shady side dealings, I feel the need to take a shower in order to cleanse myself of all the filth.
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"...Mrs. Clinton answered a voter's question about why she had supported bankruptcy legislation that Senator Elizabeth Warren,...and other liberal activists opposed."
Her answer, "...It's really important to me that we don't hurt women and children so I will support it even though there are things in it I don't like."
Pure forked-tongue sliminess. The legislation was written to protect the credit card predators from any redress from their victims, which include women and children. She made the statement in the context of throwing Joe Biden under the bus. He proposed the legislation at the behest of his Wall Street owners.
Her answer, "...It's really important to me that we don't hurt women and children so I will support it even though there are things in it I don't like."
Pure forked-tongue sliminess. The legislation was written to protect the credit card predators from any redress from their victims, which include women and children. She made the statement in the context of throwing Joe Biden under the bus. He proposed the legislation at the behest of his Wall Street owners.
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This is a year in which, regardless of one's party preference, it appears everyone has the same problem: The other side's candidates are of the "love to hate" variety, while my party offers those I hate to love.
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Let's draft Elizabeth Warren!
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The Democratic presidential primary campaign is in the state that it is because of Hillary's record. She may be the best, but she has that record. The analysis that the DNC should take is to determine how many undecided 2016 presidential voters will turn away from Hillary due to her controversial nature.
Of course, in their analysis, they need to pair Hillary against the possible Republican nominees. Republicans could just hand Hillary a victory, the way that Kevin McCarthy did yesterday. Gowdy's Benghazi committee, and the tax money that funded it, have been declared useless. That could turn the undecided voter back toward Hillary.
And of Joe Biden: when he speaks, he speaks with authority. He is a natural campaigner, unlike Hillary, whose forced comments leave the undecided voter a bit cold. Her comment on her support of controversial bankruptcy legislation,
“It was Vice President Biden who was the senator from Delaware and the Republican co-sponsor that I was talking with.”
is circumlocutory to those looking for a direct answer, an additional excuse that is a poor attempt at denigrating Joe Biden.
There are unflagging Hillary supporters. The question is, are there enough of them to send her to victory in 2016? Biden is more liked, and also more respected than is she. It just comes with the territory. Hillary will probably obtain the nomination, but the 2016 presidential election is going to be a nasty fight.
Of course, in their analysis, they need to pair Hillary against the possible Republican nominees. Republicans could just hand Hillary a victory, the way that Kevin McCarthy did yesterday. Gowdy's Benghazi committee, and the tax money that funded it, have been declared useless. That could turn the undecided voter back toward Hillary.
And of Joe Biden: when he speaks, he speaks with authority. He is a natural campaigner, unlike Hillary, whose forced comments leave the undecided voter a bit cold. Her comment on her support of controversial bankruptcy legislation,
“It was Vice President Biden who was the senator from Delaware and the Republican co-sponsor that I was talking with.”
is circumlocutory to those looking for a direct answer, an additional excuse that is a poor attempt at denigrating Joe Biden.
There are unflagging Hillary supporters. The question is, are there enough of them to send her to victory in 2016? Biden is more liked, and also more respected than is she. It just comes with the territory. Hillary will probably obtain the nomination, but the 2016 presidential election is going to be a nasty fight.
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Let's be real. A lifelong Socialist is not going to be the Democratic candidate for President of the United States. Sanders serves the same function for Democrats that Trump does for Republicans. He's the outsider, the "truth teller" who dares to say what others will not, and who appeals to the fringe element of the party-- what for some reason is now called the "base." If Sanders were elected president - and it ain't gonna happen -- he would have few allies in the party or in Washington and would accomplish nothing.
As for me, a die-hard Democratic voter, the idea of another Clinton in the White House makes my stomach churn. One smarmy Clinton was more than enough. Male, female, transgender or Martian, I really do not care. If it's a Clinton, it ain't gonna happen if I have anything to say about it. And if, as seems quite likely, the Gruesome Old Party runs yet another Bush for the Casa Blanca, Ms. Clinton would be unable to make the single strongest Democratic argument contra, i.e., "we've already had at least one Bush too many, let's not do it again." Even if Ms. Clinton weren't carrying as much baggage as Kim Kardashian on holiday, that alone would disqualify her.
We've surely had one Clinton too many. We should not consider doing that again either. Enough with the political dynasties. If Malia Obama runs for president someday, I may vote for her, but other than that, no more of this imperial family thing, thank you. This ain't no monarchy.
As for me, a die-hard Democratic voter, the idea of another Clinton in the White House makes my stomach churn. One smarmy Clinton was more than enough. Male, female, transgender or Martian, I really do not care. If it's a Clinton, it ain't gonna happen if I have anything to say about it. And if, as seems quite likely, the Gruesome Old Party runs yet another Bush for the Casa Blanca, Ms. Clinton would be unable to make the single strongest Democratic argument contra, i.e., "we've already had at least one Bush too many, let's not do it again." Even if Ms. Clinton weren't carrying as much baggage as Kim Kardashian on holiday, that alone would disqualify her.
We've surely had one Clinton too many. We should not consider doing that again either. Enough with the political dynasties. If Malia Obama runs for president someday, I may vote for her, but other than that, no more of this imperial family thing, thank you. This ain't no monarchy.
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Whether you or a Democrat or a Republican, a Hillary supporter or not, you have to agree that David Brock is a despicable human being. Implicit in his comment about Mr. Biden's not running because, “he’ll realize that at this point in his career, he can go out with everyone’s respect and esteem,” is a threat. He might as well have said, "if you run, Joe, we will destroy you."
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I agree. Unfortunately Joe has enough history (Obama is a clean black man, etc.) to thoroughly destroy him. I say unfortunately because I really do like the guy and have never questioned his intentions.
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Right now Joe Biden is the only really viable Plan "B" for Democrats out there. As much as I like, respect, and endorse Bernie Sanders and what he stands for, the pragmatist in me knows that the word "socialist" attached to his name will keep him from being accepted by mainstream America. The Republicans will take every opportunity to use that word against him. I truly wish it were different. 2016 is a scary year.
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Hey, did you hear? They're getting the band back together again, after all these long years!
Gore, Biden, Kerry & Clinton: "The Below Average Old White Band".
Gore, Biden, Kerry & Clinton: "The Below Average Old White Band".
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Donald Trump Is Making Moves to Check Hillary Clinton Camp.
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Her slide isn't just about dishonesty and treasonous emails. Hillary perpetually comes across as a man hater. Even on unrelated issues, she's constantly expressing concerns about women and children, women and children, women and children. She is manipulative, poll-driven, uncaring and phony, and women instantly see through that behavior. Male Lives Matter, Too!
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But I think the "women and children" line is just a rote response she's memorized. Whatever the issue, whether it's directly related to women and children's issues or not (e.g., the bankruptcy legislation), that will be her stance, something along the lines of "I'm [for/against] [fill in the blank] because [I support women and children]/[it might harm women and children]." Like if she repeats the words "women and children" ad nauseum, that will be all that sticks in people's minds.
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Clinton and her crony staff all belong in prison...throw in all those ignorant, gullible folks who still want to support her. The woman is traitor to her country!!
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Both Democrats and Republicans have serious internal problems. Now that may not seem like a revelation, but like any organizational wasting disease, left "untreated" the disease process accelerates, involves more vital organs and the damage become irrepairable. Unfortuately neither national political party has the wisdom or the will to take the much needed medicine and, if necessary, excise the dead tissue.
Medical metaphors aside, the Democrats have to move immediately to admit the increasingly obvious, Hillary Clinton has not demonstrated the requiste critical strengths to be the Democratic presidential nomoniee. Team Hillary polling numbers have fallen persistantly since summer and has lost IA and NH to Sen. Bernie Sanders. Hillary Clinton's handling of the email server issue demonstrated an apppaling level of hubris which undermined public perception of her trustworthiness. Like a banker, credits and deposits follow trust and once its gone they go too.
Team Hillary attempting to block a challenge by Vice President Biden is conclusive proof of Hillary Clinton's decline and fall as the Democratic front runner. The problem isn't a challenge from a reluctant and conflicted insider like Mr. Biden. It's the fact major donors turned to someone else in the first place. Team Hillary's conscription of superdelegates to bolster her waning candidacy isn't the postive offense of a leader, it's desperate defense of the failing. Hillary's moment has passed, time to exit.
Medical metaphors aside, the Democrats have to move immediately to admit the increasingly obvious, Hillary Clinton has not demonstrated the requiste critical strengths to be the Democratic presidential nomoniee. Team Hillary polling numbers have fallen persistantly since summer and has lost IA and NH to Sen. Bernie Sanders. Hillary Clinton's handling of the email server issue demonstrated an apppaling level of hubris which undermined public perception of her trustworthiness. Like a banker, credits and deposits follow trust and once its gone they go too.
Team Hillary attempting to block a challenge by Vice President Biden is conclusive proof of Hillary Clinton's decline and fall as the Democratic front runner. The problem isn't a challenge from a reluctant and conflicted insider like Mr. Biden. It's the fact major donors turned to someone else in the first place. Team Hillary's conscription of superdelegates to bolster her waning candidacy isn't the postive offense of a leader, it's desperate defense of the failing. Hillary's moment has passed, time to exit.
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Am I wrong in thinking that people who want VP Biden to run, want him to run as a viable alternative to Sect. Clinton, and less for the candidate he is? I have yet to hear what Clinton brings to the conversation other than the blaring background noise of these email servers. An opportunistic tweet here, a pajama party there. Lay out a real plan that has traction already! Run a real campaign! Maybe Biden entering the race would force her to fight for the nomination rather than idly wait for the coronation.
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Where are Democrats? The new "Obama's"?
The Republicans have a very very deep bench.
All the Democrats have are recycled old school politicians and ALL the rightful baggage that comes with their failed policies.
The Republicans have a very very deep bench.
All the Democrats have are recycled old school politicians and ALL the rightful baggage that comes with their failed policies.
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I wonder whether Mr. Biden is healthy enough to serve as president. I recall that as a young senator, he suffered from bleeding in the brain. Emergency surgery saved his life. If he is serious about running, I would hope he'd release a full medical report.
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Hillary I believe had some kind of medical procedure when she was SOS.
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I detest the woman. She did not make a competent Sec of State, and won't be a good President. Joe Biden is a polished politician, and would be a better choice, if he decides to run. Either one of them will keep us on the same path for 4 more years, and end up costing us more money than we have. No good choices. 60/40 in favor of GOP.
If she gets the nod from her betters, I hope she loses.
If she gets the nod from her betters, I hope she loses.
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I don't think the democrats would gain with a Hail Mary pass to Joe Biden at this point. Biden may not have some of Hillary's negatives, but he also does not have an excitement factor, which Hillary does have. I think there are Clinton supporters, especially among women, who feel strongly that it is time for a woman president and who would be resentful to see Hillary lose the nomination to another establishment democrat. The problem with both Clinton and Biden is that they are establishment democrats, and that is why many people are looking for alternatives. It will be interesting to see Bernie's poll numbers after he gets the exposure of the first democratic debate.
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The debates are less meaningful if Hillary can lock up delegates before them.
Hillary has an excitement factor? Really?
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Go ahead and nominate Biden. He thinks the 3 countries that comprise North America are Mexico, the United States, and China.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm6q4bKZxfE
Yep, there it is. And think how stuff like this will play out month after month on the campaign trail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zm6q4bKZxfE
Yep, there it is. And think how stuff like this will play out month after month on the campaign trail.
That's genuine misspeaking. Mistaking a little girl with a bouquet of flowers for Bosnia snipers is a grand canyon sized lie. When caught, Hillary then lied about lying. Said she misspoke.
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Desperation. The democrats have no one because their ideas are as bankrupt as they have made the country.
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The Democrats do not bankrupt the country. President Bill Clinton left a surplus that was squandered by Bush 2, who dug a big financial ditch with tax cuts and wars.
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Mark's better half, the strong feminist half..
It is not even mid Oct., 2015, and the race has gotten this complicated, difficult and ugly?
I am beginning to worry on all sides...not for the candidates, as much as the people: the public, the voters, the poor, the working class, the middle class, the caring class, the innovative class, the legal immigrants, the soldiers and the veterans. How are they watching this, how are they feeling about it all? Have they become tired, exhausted and disgusted?
Who is running the show? The candidates, their campaign staff, their funders, the lobbyists, the shadow people, hidden power guys inside and outside the government and/or the media people.
I am beginning to feel this deep sadness, and even depression, in reading all this.
My prediction is that it is going to get worse than this...
And there are no other parties, candidates or without-media-conglomerates-connection to candidates...What the heck are ordinary people to do...?
From what one discerns in this long long long campaign season, that began from Obama's second term victory. this is no revolution, reformation or transformation....it is a pathology that seems to be growing, growing, growing...
Scary...
It is not even mid Oct., 2015, and the race has gotten this complicated, difficult and ugly?
I am beginning to worry on all sides...not for the candidates, as much as the people: the public, the voters, the poor, the working class, the middle class, the caring class, the innovative class, the legal immigrants, the soldiers and the veterans. How are they watching this, how are they feeling about it all? Have they become tired, exhausted and disgusted?
Who is running the show? The candidates, their campaign staff, their funders, the lobbyists, the shadow people, hidden power guys inside and outside the government and/or the media people.
I am beginning to feel this deep sadness, and even depression, in reading all this.
My prediction is that it is going to get worse than this...
And there are no other parties, candidates or without-media-conglomerates-connection to candidates...What the heck are ordinary people to do...?
From what one discerns in this long long long campaign season, that began from Obama's second term victory. this is no revolution, reformation or transformation....it is a pathology that seems to be growing, growing, growing...
Scary...
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I hope Biden does run. He has a calm disposition and demeanor that tells me he would serve us well. His personal loses have tempered him and made him stronger and I think he gets the average person better than Hillary. Joe's grasp of political realities in Washington make him a more sensible choice than Hillary who has never really grasped the need for honesty in building consensus. Compared to Bernie who developed his ideas in small town America and doesn't understand the vast scale of our Nation Bernie would be on the ropes for at least the first two years learning while Joe would be on the job day one. Hillary? Hillary doesn't fight fair, we all know how much divisiveness she would bring with her low blows and dirty tricks. Simply Joe would connect with more American's than Hillary. American's left and right see themselves in Joe while some on the left like Hillary the right hates her. America needs a President with experience and more than ever they need one they can trust. Joe is the only one who fits the bill but sadly Joe is not running....yet.
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If Biden doesn't run I will vote for Trump. Hillary is done. Can't be trusted on any front
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A Sanders/Warren ticket vs a Trump/Fiorina ticket. Now that would be something wrote watching: real choices. Of course the establishments in both parties want yet another Bush - Clinton contest of Coca Cola versus Pepsi cola. Not sure the primary voters will agree. There is real anger out there and dynastic politics is not something appreciated by the base in either party.
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Joe Biden is a decent and genuine man who knows the problems ordinary people face. Unlike Hilary, he has not used public service to line his pockets. Hilary is, and always will be, a striver from the cushy suburbs with a love of power and money. In sum, she's a phony and the Democrats would be well-advised to show her the door. Signed, a life-long Democrat.
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I was a long term Republican until after the last mid terms when I learned the Establishment GOP played it's base for suckers. I am now an independent and I agree with what Joseph said.
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Would it be asking too much for The Times to publish stories on the campaign platforms of Bernie Sanders, Jim Webb, Lincoln Chafee, and Martin O’Malley?
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So much for letting the people have a voice. Better to lock up super delegates in back rooms that have a vigorously contested democratic process. So Clintonesque - talk the talk (but don't walk the walk).
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It breaks my heart to think that Clinton is worried about Joe. Perhaps she ought to be more worried about her flailing popularity, her mendacity and prevarications about Benghazi, emails, and who knows what else might arise between now and election day 2016…
But changing the focus away from herself to Joe is a neat slight-of-hand political trick, designed to distract the masses and pander to the media who can't seem to find their own critical voices and must rely on soundbites and scripts provided by the Brand's® political advisors.
As the selected candidate for the White House (by Wall Street and the corporate elites), The Hillary Brand® can still rely upon her monstrosity of a war chest and unending coverage of every utterance and febrile gasp of phony populist rhetoric.
Joe as a threat? I don't think so.
But changing the focus away from herself to Joe is a neat slight-of-hand political trick, designed to distract the masses and pander to the media who can't seem to find their own critical voices and must rely on soundbites and scripts provided by the Brand's® political advisors.
As the selected candidate for the White House (by Wall Street and the corporate elites), The Hillary Brand® can still rely upon her monstrosity of a war chest and unending coverage of every utterance and febrile gasp of phony populist rhetoric.
Joe as a threat? I don't think so.
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This all highlights the problem with our current party system. What is the point for a voter to vote in a state primary when apparently a huge chunk of the final votes have already been handed out to individuals to do with as they see fit.
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With all of the talent in America, we get this motley crew of misfits running for president. The Republican clown car is overflowing with ego and incompetence. The Democrats are old, tired and unimaginative. The talk of Biden is really the final insult. If anybody should be starting a victory lap for retirement, it's Smilin' Joe.
Isn't it amazing that nobody in the Democratic clown car is getting any traction, other than the guy who isn't even a Democrat?
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The democrat Honey Wagon gets more pathetic by the day, old white, incompetent.
Meanwhile we have Billyboy on the subject of the Republicans :
"They've got a lot of youth, they've got a lot of energy, they've got some significant diversity and they're no dummies," the former president Bill Clinton said during an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper at the annual Clinton Global Initiative America meeting in Denver.
But, of course I'm sure you know better than Slick!!!
Meanwhile we have Billyboy on the subject of the Republicans :
"They've got a lot of youth, they've got a lot of energy, they've got some significant diversity and they're no dummies," the former president Bill Clinton said during an interview with CNN's Jake Tapper at the annual Clinton Global Initiative America meeting in Denver.
But, of course I'm sure you know better than Slick!!!
Hillary has said she has tried to be as transparent as possible about the emails. Why does she not hold a press conference and answer all questions like Chris Christie did about bridgegate???????????
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Christie's bridgegate press conference was a farce.
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The strategy Biden is pursuing seems pretty clear. Right now he can't do better to diminish Mrs. Clinton than she is doing to herself with the help of the media and the drip, drip, drip of the e-mail mess. He will also await her hostile questioning by the House Committee later in October. Letting Sanders take it to her in the debate will also figure in. After all this, and not before, Biden will make an assessment. No one can read his mind or know for certain what her poll numbers and Democratic donors will do until then.
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ajust a small fire fight in the decades long NYT on Hillary, which is despicable, even on The Hilborg.
I expect three to seven sorties against the Hilborg next werk by the NYT based on past performance. It is as if there is a press oligarch competition with the WSJ.
I expect three to seven sorties against the Hilborg next werk by the NYT based on past performance. It is as if there is a press oligarch competition with the WSJ.
She's the US senator for the NYT area, that requires more coverage of her. (Was the same with the NYT's incessant coverage of Christie's "bridgegate.") Plus, the NYT has always been alert to craven, or mendacious, or quasi-legal behaviors by politicians, down to the lane-closure level, and is never more offended than when they find mendacity right under their noses by those they voted for (or, "for whom they voted," per Miss Crabtree's grammar lesson.)
[[Mrs. Clinton’s team has been adamant that they are not behind efforts to draw negative attention to Mr. Biden, or to do anything to pressure him.]]
And so, we know the opposite must be true.
And so, we know the opposite must be true.
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Ms. Clinton should be worried about any authentic opponent, since this is the one characteristic she will never possess. She can market, jostle, promote, tell jokes on late night, and block all she wants, but the sad truth is that most Americans of all sexes, colors, and religious backgrounds find her to be a completely inauthentic and blatant opportunist of the worst type.
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I hope Biden does not run. He doesn't have that spark anymore. I think losing his son took so much out of him it's painful to watch. I watched him on Colbert and my heart broke for him. Being President is an awful job. Look how much they age. They have the whole world on their shoulders and never get credit for any of the good they do. I hope the rest of his life is calm, peaceful and stress free. He has been a wonderful public servant and excellent vice president.
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A wonderful public servant? How about rich political elite and pathological plagiarist? Most would end in jail or embarrassed away, but not the upper 1% rich establishment.
"Over the next days, it emerged that Biden had lifted significant portions of speeches from Robert Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey. "
"If that wasn't bad enough, Biden admitted the next day that while in law school he had received an F for a course because he had plagiarized five pages from a published article in a term paper that he submitted. "
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2008/08/t...
"Over the next days, it emerged that Biden had lifted significant portions of speeches from Robert Kennedy and Hubert Humphrey. "
"If that wasn't bad enough, Biden admitted the next day that while in law school he had received an F for a course because he had plagiarized five pages from a published article in a term paper that he submitted. "
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/history_lesson/2008/08/t...
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So, essentially you are saying Biden is too old. Clinton is only 5 years less old and she lacks the "spark" that Biden has.
Methinks you protest too much.
Methinks you protest too much.
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Don't worry.
Run or not, Biden won't be president.
Run or not, Biden won't be president.
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I am prepared to believe the staffer, that trying to line up delegates is simply a natural next step in Hillary's campaign. That said, is her staff reading the comments in the NYTimes? If you can find nary a vote of confidence in the comments section of the Times, a dependable Democratic but middle of the road crowd, how do you expect to garner any excitement? I think she's being treated unfairly, and is clearly the victim of significant misogyny, but she won't be able to shake the crony capitalism charge, and this year, that matters.
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It takes somebody who knows how a broken system works to repair it.
Trying to lineup delegate support before any debate, which she already rigged to a limited amount.
The cronyism is within the Democratic Party, where they are trying to make her nomination a fait accompli without input from the little people in the party.
The cronyism is within the Democratic Party, where they are trying to make her nomination a fait accompli without input from the little people in the party.
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Is Hillary reading the comments here? that is a bizarre offer of proof that Hillary should give up her run. Look at endorsements: why is a forward thinking senator like Al Franken or a great statesman like Barney Frank supporting Hillary if people like the writer to the comments section saying it is pointless? People quietly line up behind Hillary and she is leading the polls, even with the wild card of Biden in the polls without yet being in the race as an announced candidate. It is bizarre top hear the logic of Hillary Haters from the right or left justifying their opposition.
I hope Biden runs. Otherwise, I'll have to hold my nose and vote for Trump. Hillary is "fine" but just too fake for me. And Sanders is a crazy socialist who favors wealth-redistribution from the lazy to the hard-workers.
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Redistributing wealth from the workers to the bosses is OK with you? You have got to be kidding ( and a boss).
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Please reconsider. ANY Dem president would be better for the country than ANY Repub president. At the very least, think about who gets to name the next SCOTUS justice(s).
Also think very hard about whether or not you wish to see the US mired still further in the ME wars, because that's what the Repubs all but promise.
Also think very hard about whether or not you wish to see the US mired still further in the ME wars, because that's what the Repubs all but promise.
The "lazy"? Please explain this one in greater detail. A comment like rhaf makes it bluntly obvious why you would even consider voting for a xenophobe like Trump.
Amazing, talk about the hope of the Democratic Party being in the hands of Biden, Sanders, Clinton and even possibly Gore, what a line up. it's like failure loves company.
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Please no more Hillary articles. She is NOT presidential material. She is not for the country, she is for herself. We deserve better: Sanders, Biden, Kerry.
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I was checking out campaign slogans with teenagers yesterday. We agreed Bernie had the best - Feel the Bern. Carson was up there, too, with what appears to be incense-inspired - Heal, Inspire, Revive. Makes me want to assume a yoga pose. Then we looked up Hillary. OMG. She doesn't even have a slogan - just a logo. An H with an arrow. For goodness sakes. Climb the Hill, Hillary and come up with something that isn't all about "Look at me! Look at me!"
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ABC - anyone but Clinton. Should she be the nominee 90%+ chance Republicans win the presidency. Biden / Warren would be great. Sanders or O'Mallay or Webb, too.
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While Sanders would be a better option that Hillary, he would also be loser in the general election. Trouble is the Democrats have no one that is qualified and electable in the general election... Biden is the most electable - but given his age I don't think he has the stamina to actually last.
Looking over her shoulder, Hillary is focused on the wrong man. It is Bernie Sanders that is moving up fast as the final stretch approaches. I may be wrong, but I don't think Joe will run, while Bernie is clearly in the game.
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Oh now I remember why I did not vote for Mrs. Clinton during 2008 primaries!
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The NYT ought to ask Clinton about her years as a member of the board of directors for Walmart. Now she pretends to be concerned about the middle class. Clinton has been AWOL about the affordable housing case in her home, Westchester County. HUD gave the county money to build affordable house but the county won't build it. County does not what "those" kind of people. County kept the money.
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As a lifelong NY Democrat Hillary Clinton is not one. She was a Goldwater Girl from Chicago then a carpetbagger from Arkansas who just had to become a Senator from NYS. While one can make the argument she did yeoman's work at State, one can also make the argument Obama got her out of the Country for a reason.
She then screws it up by being what a Clinton is, an entitled celebrity who played by the Clinton Rules, got caught and says, "who me?". Whether true or not the reality is she can't be trusted.
Bernie 2016.
She then screws it up by being what a Clinton is, an entitled celebrity who played by the Clinton Rules, got caught and says, "who me?". Whether true or not the reality is she can't be trusted.
Bernie 2016.
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[[She then screws it up by being what a Clinton is, an entitled celebrity who played by the Clinton Rules, got caught and says, "who me?". Whether true or not the reality is she can't be trusted.]]
I think that sums it up pretty well.
I think that sums it up pretty well.
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For those who wonder how campaigns of leading Presidential candidates can be so woefully incompetent and inept I suggest watching the recent Emmy-winning Veep on HBO (Season 4 is the best). I imagine a documentary of Hillary's war room would (sadly) produce nearly identical footage.
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Missing from this piece is the role of Trump. That is, were I Biden, I'd be thinking, "However unlikely it might seem that Trump is the eventual GOP nominee, IF it looks like he'll prevail, THEN I'll jump into the (Dem nomination) race, because then I'll KNOW I can win (the national election)." At that point, his only real obstacle would be Hillary. I mean, why jump in now, duke-it-out with Hillary, only to eventually have to face Jeb Bush and, ultimately, lose?
Hillary has more baggage than a fully loaded 747. We have only seen a small part of it unpacked, and now we have US foreign policy in total shambles with failures in Egypt. Libya, Russia, Syria, and Iraq that can be traced back to her role as Secretary of State.There is no reset button this time. Hate to say it but Rubio or Trump has a better shot than Hillary and she will not get my vote even though I hate the GOP.
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Joe Biden entering the race is not a benefit for the party.Joe is not an electable candidate against Hillary.If anything Joe's entering the race will only take votes from Bernie Sanders...but maybe that is how the administration is supporting Hillary.Sanders is a threat to Hillary.
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Biden's not getting my vote. I will vote for Bernie Sanders even if I have to write him in. No more Third Way Dems who only ruin the country slower than the Republicans.
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Sanders is running only to support Hillary. With a proclaimed socialist in the race, it makes her appear to be the "moderate" candidate.
The NYT definitely GETS the fact that Bernie Sanders has the far more issues-focused campaign, and now after yesterday's release of campaign funding it is becoming glaringly obvious that the public also sees the truth.
Even on a day where we learn that the Sanders' campaign has generated more individual, middle class support than any other candidate in HISTORY at this stage of an election cycle, the NYT chooses to do a piece that features a candidate that has not even entered the race yet, as HRC's biggest threat.
NYT "gets it" -- you just actively choose to ignore it, and we all know why. Bernie Sanders does not serve the interest of the elites who run major media outlets from behind the scenes, and this special interest has clearly contaminated the editorial independence of mainstream media. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- you're not fooling anyone!
Even on a day where we learn that the Sanders' campaign has generated more individual, middle class support than any other candidate in HISTORY at this stage of an election cycle, the NYT chooses to do a piece that features a candidate that has not even entered the race yet, as HRC's biggest threat.
NYT "gets it" -- you just actively choose to ignore it, and we all know why. Bernie Sanders does not serve the interest of the elites who run major media outlets from behind the scenes, and this special interest has clearly contaminated the editorial independence of mainstream media. I've said it before and I'll say it again -- you're not fooling anyone!
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Hillary's Campaign: Mr. Biden would not run because “he’ll realize that at this point in his career, he can go out with everyone’s respect and esteem.”
This seems to be the official narrative. It makes no sense.
Everyone agrees Biden is an honorable guy. But he is too honorable to run? His legacy will be soiled by running for Prez. Huh? Don't we need more honorable people running? So far, we only have one major honorable candidate (Bernie Sanders). The more the better.
Unless Biden has a great skeleton in his closet, he will not disgrace himself. And skeletons do not seem to disqualify anyway. If they did, then a certain candidate named Hil should give up after conducting the foreign policy of the most powerful nation on earth on a private email server and then deleting the records.
Or do they imply that he will suffer such a humiliating loss that he will lose face forever? Ummm ... the one who should be worried on this front is Hil.
Hil is panicking.
Go Joe!
This seems to be the official narrative. It makes no sense.
Everyone agrees Biden is an honorable guy. But he is too honorable to run? His legacy will be soiled by running for Prez. Huh? Don't we need more honorable people running? So far, we only have one major honorable candidate (Bernie Sanders). The more the better.
Unless Biden has a great skeleton in his closet, he will not disgrace himself. And skeletons do not seem to disqualify anyway. If they did, then a certain candidate named Hil should give up after conducting the foreign policy of the most powerful nation on earth on a private email server and then deleting the records.
Or do they imply that he will suffer such a humiliating loss that he will lose face forever? Ummm ... the one who should be worried on this front is Hil.
Hil is panicking.
Go Joe!
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he’ll realize that at this point in his career, he can go out with everyone’s respect and esteem.”
Translation: Drop out now or the Clinton smear machine will destroy you.
Translation: Drop out now or the Clinton smear machine will destroy you.
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Hillary's sense of entitlement and arrogance are astounding. In response to her email scandal she several times said that she's trusts the American people. How generous of want to be Queen Hillary. But she's got it backwards. It's for the American people to trust her. And they don't.
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She cannot change her spots. Money raising is what she does best. Currently we have Obama who lost his Integrity at the front door of the White House, and suddenly has become a mere place-setter and GOP baiter. Hillary wouldn't be an improvement. Heck, Obama didn't want her in his administration at all. He was forced to take her, and sent her as far away as her could.
Joe Biden has spent almost two terms as a Yes-man, and thinks he's paid his dues. He may have, but that's not the criteria for a President.
Joe Biden has spent almost two terms as a Yes-man, and thinks he's paid his dues. He may have, but that's not the criteria for a President.
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It makes sense for Mrs. Clinton to be hunting for delegates, but she and her campaign should stop referring to 2008 to explain their actions. Her comments, on various occasions, that she won a lot of votes in 2008, but not enough delegates suggest she remains a sore loser and retains a sense of entitlement that the office is hers by right. That attitude and the tendency for her and Bill to find (or create) a conspiracy against themselves will not wear well with a public whose Clinton fatigue is already returning.
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It's easy as, 1 2 3.... As simple as, do re mi.... A B C, 1 2 3
That would be ABC: Anyone But Clinton
Almost every Democrat I know (and I mostly know Democrats here in Berkeley) has been sitting on their hands, waiting and hoping for someone besides Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama was all about hope and moving forward (the Republicans have worked very hard to obstruct everything). With Clinton as a candidate it feels like we are moving back in time (and in the wrong direction). Let's hope Biden runs and it blows open the Democratic primary to bring in some new candidates... We don't need 16 like the Republican mess, but some more options would be a step forward.
That would be ABC: Anyone But Clinton
Almost every Democrat I know (and I mostly know Democrats here in Berkeley) has been sitting on their hands, waiting and hoping for someone besides Hillary Clinton. Barack Obama was all about hope and moving forward (the Republicans have worked very hard to obstruct everything). With Clinton as a candidate it feels like we are moving back in time (and in the wrong direction). Let's hope Biden runs and it blows open the Democratic primary to bring in some new candidates... We don't need 16 like the Republican mess, but some more options would be a step forward.
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But Hillary Never Can Say Goodbye..
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I don't believe Biden will throw his hat in as long as Bill Clinton's wife is still a viable candidate. If you see Biden join the race, you can be certain a Federal Indictment is on the way for her. Once that happens, it won't only be Biden, you'll see all the also-rans Algore, Lurch, Cuomo... they'll come out of the woodwork once the deck is cleared of the Clinton machine.
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She will manage to duck any Fed problems. She lies her way along, and Bill backs her up. The GOP tried to get both of the Clinton's for years and failed to nail their hides. I believe she is a danger to us all, with her finger on the button. Scary that she has come this far.
You can be certain because Obama is the one that will issue the indictment.
Between the democrats, now with this suicidal death match pitting two allies like Clinton vs. Biden and the republicans, with Trump overthrowing the castle and throwing the kings and queens in the dungeon, it's clear that there has to be more to the world than this lame-brained two-party system that is only capable of yielding the lesser of two evils as our leader. Maybe we'd all be better off without one altogether.
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Isn't the real issue the amount of influence voters will have in choosing a party nominee? We know that most of the party leaders, the wealthy party funders, and anyone else chosen by the party to vote as a superdelegate without being selected in a primary election want Mrs. Clinton. She would be the nominee now except that the party allows some delegates to be chosen in primary elections. But Mrs. Clinton is not an effective campaigner and polling for primary elections seem to be showing that popular support for Mrs. Clinton is less than overwhelming. So how do the party bosses to go ahead and give the nomination to Mrs. Clinton without alienating too many voters? In the past they have correctly thought that alienated voters would come back because they have no place else to go. What if that is not true this time?
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Agreed. Just last night when I read this story I wondered what the real nominating contest is. We all think about the primaries, democratic votes, but what is the real game and where are all the "voters" who have a say? People have been going nuts about money buying elections, but what about super-delegates, etc.? NY Times, are you up to it?
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While alienated voters come back in the main, as Mitt Romney will tell you: it takes only a little disaffection from the base to tip it to the other side.
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Thankfully, the decision is being taken out of their hands, Doug. The open secret is that there is no such thing as "locking down" the superdelegates - at least not if the Democrats want to avoid a civil war. For one thing, they are free to change their vote at any time, for any reason - or for no reason at all. But if they have even an ounce of sense in their heads, those superdelegates will go the way of the popular vote. Period.
How bad is it? Joe Biden, who never got more than 1% support from democrats in previous tries for the presidency, is considered the savior from the mortally wounded Hillary..Ill answer the question....its bad.
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"(Biden) can go out with everyone's respect and esteem" - says Clinton Hack.
As every piece of info from her cesspool of a campaign (again) keeps making clear, Hillary's epitaph will be the polar opposite.
No Biden's not perfect. The bankruptcy corporate handout was a mistake. And Hillary's vote for it counted just the same as his.
But the Clintons and their hacks loony spin on it as they sling more mud and try to bully the game to be over before it starts shows again - as we decided in 2008 - why we don't want that sequel.
The Queen of the Lincoln Bedroom and the Clinton worldwide money grab, murderers and dictators open your wallets....and she's somehow the superior voice of financial morality?
"Protect the women and children"? Unlike the guy who authored violence against women legislation? How does a corporate handout "protect the women and children"?
Hillary - not Joe - will "go out" soon - kicking and screaming with mud slinging all the way apparently - as we move forward with Biden/Warren.
All she has left is "we have to get a woman elected president this time" defense. Wait 4 or 8 years and VP Warren is then the RIGHT woman.
If it's not Bernie - it's likely her disgusting political machine keeps Bernie from winning the south - Biden's is indeed the respected esteemed choice, 8 years 2nd in Command, no government in private issues, no entitlement complex, no less than 8 points ahead of republicans per the latest polling.
Biden/Warren 2016.
As every piece of info from her cesspool of a campaign (again) keeps making clear, Hillary's epitaph will be the polar opposite.
No Biden's not perfect. The bankruptcy corporate handout was a mistake. And Hillary's vote for it counted just the same as his.
But the Clintons and their hacks loony spin on it as they sling more mud and try to bully the game to be over before it starts shows again - as we decided in 2008 - why we don't want that sequel.
The Queen of the Lincoln Bedroom and the Clinton worldwide money grab, murderers and dictators open your wallets....and she's somehow the superior voice of financial morality?
"Protect the women and children"? Unlike the guy who authored violence against women legislation? How does a corporate handout "protect the women and children"?
Hillary - not Joe - will "go out" soon - kicking and screaming with mud slinging all the way apparently - as we move forward with Biden/Warren.
All she has left is "we have to get a woman elected president this time" defense. Wait 4 or 8 years and VP Warren is then the RIGHT woman.
If it's not Bernie - it's likely her disgusting political machine keeps Bernie from winning the south - Biden's is indeed the respected esteemed choice, 8 years 2nd in Command, no government in private issues, no entitlement complex, no less than 8 points ahead of republicans per the latest polling.
Biden/Warren 2016.
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How old will Warren be in 8 years?
She's 66 now. Do the math.
How old will you be? What's your point?
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There seems to be something almost ghoulish about Joe Biden waiting to see Hillary's poll numbers fall before deciding. It's amusing to hear people opine that Joe is waiting to come to the rescue in case the Democrats start to panic. Where does this heroic narrative originate, I wonder? On the other hand, watching Hillary fighting battles on multiple fronts is entertaining, occasionally cringe-worthy, but sometimes even inspiring. I find it baffling that pundits keep carping about Hillary not being quite human, when her narrative of optimism in the face of disappointment and grace under pressure are the most human aspects of this nauseating primary season. Go, girl!
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What grace under pressure. I don't see any grace on her part only arrogance !!!!
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Hillarys biggest problem at this point is herself. Every time she makes a public appearance, her poll numbers fall- so she limits her appearances to special interest groups and fights tooth and nail to avoid having to appear in a primary debate. Fortunately for her, the ultra-rich and elitists in this country support her and her policies.
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Biden's not running. Period. Waste of space in NY Times today. Biden's in mourning.
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yet another reason not to listen to her, much less vote for her.
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Joe Biden is not Mrs. Clinton's problem. Her problem is herself. Americans always end up getting what they want to watch on TV and what they want to watch right now is not her. I hope she retires soon and does good things for the rest of her life.
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Hillary is unelectable.....too many skeletons in the closet......similar to bad mouth
bad boy Donald Trump. Let us move on with Joe Biden. at least he has the Civility without any known baggage.
bad boy Donald Trump. Let us move on with Joe Biden. at least he has the Civility without any known baggage.
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Considering the fact that she ran a dirty campaign against Barack Obama in 2008 we should not expect any surprises from her if Joe Biden runs.
I am a lifelong liberal Democrat and I refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton. I lived thru the years when Richard Nixon was President and have no desire to see a female Richard Nixon in office who, like the former disgraced President, keeps an enemies list and believes that the laws that apply to everyone else do not apply to her. She is insincere, a total phony, and dishonest to a fault.
I will vote for Marco Rubio or John Kasich if Hillary is the nominee and I am not the only Democrat who will bolt the party. The Clinton's want us all to believe that in a nation of 320 million people of which 160 million are female, she is the most qualified woman to be President. If you believe that then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.
The Democratic Party is determined to nominate a woman for President. I think we should have had a woman President 150 years ago. However, I am not going to cast my vote for a person who I believe mocks our nations laws, is dishonest, and believes that she is owed the Presidency. She has no achievements as Senator and was a mediocre at best Secretary of State.
I am a loyal Democrat but for the first time in my life I will not vote for a Democrat if Hillary Clinton is the nominee. This is a disaster waiting to happen and I refuse to be a part of it.
I am a lifelong liberal Democrat and I refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton. I lived thru the years when Richard Nixon was President and have no desire to see a female Richard Nixon in office who, like the former disgraced President, keeps an enemies list and believes that the laws that apply to everyone else do not apply to her. She is insincere, a total phony, and dishonest to a fault.
I will vote for Marco Rubio or John Kasich if Hillary is the nominee and I am not the only Democrat who will bolt the party. The Clinton's want us all to believe that in a nation of 320 million people of which 160 million are female, she is the most qualified woman to be President. If you believe that then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I would like to sell you.
The Democratic Party is determined to nominate a woman for President. I think we should have had a woman President 150 years ago. However, I am not going to cast my vote for a person who I believe mocks our nations laws, is dishonest, and believes that she is owed the Presidency. She has no achievements as Senator and was a mediocre at best Secretary of State.
I am a loyal Democrat but for the first time in my life I will not vote for a Democrat if Hillary Clinton is the nominee. This is a disaster waiting to happen and I refuse to be a part of it.
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Wow you got this 100000000% correct !!!
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I'd like a woman president too but not this woman. I am voting for Bernie Sanders regardless. No more Third Way Dems.
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"Only one person who could beat Hillary and that's Barack Obama and he's not eligible to run again." No he's not but his wife is and she will. Hillary will be out by the end of the month when Obama lowers the boom on her with her scandals. She will drop out with a mystery illness and Michelle will ride in to save the day.
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I would love to see Michelle, but I can't believe she would want to tolerate the nonsense Mr, Obama has had to endure. Mr. Sanders is the best candidate currently before us.
Nobody has been elected president when a majority of Americans do not trust that person.
That won't change in 2016
That won't change in 2016
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Hillary should worry about Bernie not Biden, feeling the Bern yet? As much as I like and admire Joe Biden he is too much of the "same" as is Hillary.
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It's simply shameful in the difference of the way the NYTimes covers HRC as opposed to Bernie Sanders.
Sanders fund raising numbers is certainly more front page material than HRC's playground antics.
The Goldwater Girl will never change.
Sanders fund raising numbers is certainly more front page material than HRC's playground antics.
The Goldwater Girl will never change.
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Your disingenuous interpretation of the political landscape is nauseating. Have some courage - say something that won't be wrong when the next round of polling comes out. Pushing whatever narrative that's been whispered in your ear won't do you any favors. Can you really not see what's happening? This election is a referendum on the entire electoral process - from the people who run, to the media that covers them. Do you really want to be on the wrong side of history? A child could look at polling data, feel which way the wind is blowing, and understand that Hillary stands as much a chance of winning now as she did in 2008 - and for the very same reasons. I swear, the hoops you have to jump through to get a seat at the table aren't worth it - they only make you obtuse, cynical, and dull. You don't have to go down with the ship. Bernie is offering a lifeline - all you have to do is cover him objectively. Trust me, you'll be rewarded when the largest generation ever sees that you were one of the few publications to not only utilize foresight, but to do so for the right reasons. Better make your move before Alternet and Reddit do.
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It truly is pathetic that the Democratic Party bench is so shallow. If Joe Biden enters the race, it will be a signal that the Clinton email scandal is not going away, and perhaps even a sign that the Obama Justice Department will prosecute Hillary for her handling of classified emails (whether or not they were formally marked classified when she received them). For crying out loud (Mr. Blow), Hillary knows we will be getting months more of drip, drip, drip about her emails and the extent to which they contained classified information, whether her email server was hacked and whether she might be indicted by the Obama Justice Department.
Can't wait to see if Hillary is asked about her emails in the Democratic Party debate, if it ever takes place. Can't say enough about Hillary's judgment, even if she didn't break the law. Truth and honesty are just not in Hillary's nature.
Can't wait to see if Hillary is asked about her emails in the Democratic Party debate, if it ever takes place. Can't say enough about Hillary's judgment, even if she didn't break the law. Truth and honesty are just not in Hillary's nature.
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Disaster in the Middle East a total collapse of US policy, Afghanistan falling back to the Taliban, Russian hegemony in W. Europe, the Ukraine, and now Syria, increasing belligerence from China massive hacking into US military, defense, and infrastructure systems, Trillions more in dept., and a lack of trust in Government and our financial institutions, that and spiraling violence in our own inner cities. If Joe Biden agrees to run for president he would be even more ignorant and foolish than I always assumed.
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Like many democrats I'll vote for Hillary only when I have to. Right now Bernie gets my primary vote. I'd consider Biden if he gets in the race. If Hillary wins the nomination she gets my vote in the general only because the republicans, despite all the pretending, are all the same. Tax Cuts for the rich, social security and Medicare cuts for the middle class and poor, war somewhere anywhere, etc.
The dream scenario is Biden runs promising one term only with Elizabeth Warren as VP and then President. Dare to dream.
The dream scenario is Biden runs promising one term only with Elizabeth Warren as VP and then President. Dare to dream.
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Like many other Democrats, I'll be voting for Trump this time.
He's got the skill set to get things back on track from where they are today. I don't see any of the career politicians doing anything but more of the same.
He's got the skill set to get things back on track from where they are today. I don't see any of the career politicians doing anything but more of the same.
This is the dream's are possible phase, but then we wake up with two choices, hold our noses and pull the lever
So you will vote for a socialist in the primary and if he loses you will vote for a c(clown) biden who hasen't accomplished squat and another socialist who lied about her heritage . This is unbelievable no wonder this country is going down the toilet
It makes sense to prepare for Biden's entrance into the race. Given what the Republicans are offering as possibilities, I would vote for Biden without hesitation. Having said this, I don't know what he would offer that is not presented by Clinton and, in a greater measure, by Sanders. He did not fare well in previous attempts. Granted that he has burnished his status with the good work he has done as vice-president, and he certainly has the administrative experience to do the job. However, he doesn't offer either the progressive program of Sanders nor the possibility of an historic election that could change future presidential elections.
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It is truly astounding that the Democratic Party can only field three candidates that are all white, old and career politicians who represent the status quo. America needs a significant change in Washington that was promised in 2008 but never delivered. These three candidates will not change anything.
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How about Michelle if she were willing?
Biden is to closely associated with Obama. People want change, not more of the same. Hillary, even worse. I predict a gop win in 2016.
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The interesting thing about this coming presidential campaign year of 2016 is that Donald Trump is the most interesting candidate in either party, interesting in the mythology he creates for himself and the divestiture of traditional political method. There seems to be a very high demand at this time for charisma and the diversion it can create, not necessarily character but a character. You may or may not agree with him, but he draws you in. You say you will not listen to him, but you are.
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Trump may be a character, but does he have character? I think not.
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Hillary should be worried about Joe Biden. He is everything she is not- experienced, genuine, candid, generally well-liked on both sides of the aisle. And he's fundamentally honest, a claim no Clinton could ever make with a straight face. With Biden, you know he's actually thinking about what's best for the country. With the Clintons, their thoughts do not extend beyond what's best for themselves. Hillary is such an obviously poor choice that a rookie Senator was able to knock her out of the primaries in 2008. Her 2016 house of cards wouldn't take much shaking to fall apart this time, either. The sooner the better, as far as I'm concerned. I'll gladly take Bernie or Joe over her, any time.
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It is astounding to read an analysis of Clinton's efforts to check Biden that doesn't mention the critical fact that Biden would likely draw most of his support from Clinton and very little from Sanders. The article doesn't even mention Sanders, even though he is leading in Iowa and New Hampshire and just almost matched Clinton in fundraising with a broader but much less deep pocketed donor base.
The real question facing the Dem establishment is whether Sanders has already sufficiently revealed Clinton's non-viability that they have to switch horses in midstream. Their dilemma is that they need an alternative to Clinton, but since she is unlikely to quietly step out of the way, they run the risk that Biden will only divide their forces and put Sanders in a stronger position to actually win the nomination.
The silence in this article on this obviously central consideration in the calculations of all players is what makes it read like propaganda.
The real question facing the Dem establishment is whether Sanders has already sufficiently revealed Clinton's non-viability that they have to switch horses in midstream. Their dilemma is that they need an alternative to Clinton, but since she is unlikely to quietly step out of the way, they run the risk that Biden will only divide their forces and put Sanders in a stronger position to actually win the nomination.
The silence in this article on this obviously central consideration in the calculations of all players is what makes it read like propaganda.
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Biden is still "Plan B" for Democrats. Obama will ultimately decide whether his Justice Department will use the ample information being supplied by the FBI to prosecute Hillary for mishandling classified information, e.g., the illegal storage of at least three top secret emails on her private server. Even if Obama chooses not to prosecute Hillary, more damaging leaks from investigators at the FBI would sink her presidential aspirations. We'll know soon who Obama wants to be the nominee. It's his decision.
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OK, it's time for someone not on our radar to surge onto the scene, right past Clinton, Sanders and Biden. Someone who deserves the hype and wins our hearts.
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Sanders doesn't get any hype and he's winning thousands of hearts.
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Remember how David Petreaus and John Deutsch had their government careers ruined because they mishandled classified material? That was kid stuff compared to the way Hillary mishandled her email. Obama deserves to be impeached for letting her get away with it for her entire tenure as Secretary of State. Who was in charge? Can't anyone play this game?
As a conservative, I hope Hillary hangs in there, and damages the Democrat brand as much as Dick Nixon damaged the Republicans.
As a conservative, I hope Hillary hangs in there, and damages the Democrat brand as much as Dick Nixon damaged the Republicans.
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Lordy, lordy. The NYT will do anything to avoid discussing the issues.
Yes, strategy matters, but your idea of a horse race is to bet on your horse because of the name ("...and in lane 7 is LUCKY JOE!") instead of its record, its condition, or whether other owners have successfully poisoned the feed.
Point 1) Joe is NOT in the race. The front-runners, right now, are Clinton and Sanders. If this is about strategy, why aren't you comparing them?
Point 2) Being a VP is trumped by Sec. Of State. However, comparing Clinton's record versus Sanders, Sanders has the advantage on focused philosophy on where this country should go. Biden's record comes in a dim third or even fourth given the records of voting by O'Malley or Chaffee.
And, Point 3) Talk about 'poisoned feed'! That dimwit McCarthy has ripped the mask of respectability off the Benghazi Committee! It's been a set-up all along, a Mafia hit-squad, Nixonian dirty tricks, the "Rat-(dirty-word not allowed to be printed)". There are few moments so stupid in the modern history of politics. Only Gary Hart and "Monkey Business" comes to mind.
The emails? What a joke. She was Sec. of State, not a tech geek. That was someone else's job - and it looks like they didn't do their job... or maybe they did. Haven't a clue, but I do know what "reclassified" means. It means it's 5 years later and policy has changed, so reclassify it. There is no there there.
This is just another hit-piece.
A rigged horse-race.
Up your game.
Yes, strategy matters, but your idea of a horse race is to bet on your horse because of the name ("...and in lane 7 is LUCKY JOE!") instead of its record, its condition, or whether other owners have successfully poisoned the feed.
Point 1) Joe is NOT in the race. The front-runners, right now, are Clinton and Sanders. If this is about strategy, why aren't you comparing them?
Point 2) Being a VP is trumped by Sec. Of State. However, comparing Clinton's record versus Sanders, Sanders has the advantage on focused philosophy on where this country should go. Biden's record comes in a dim third or even fourth given the records of voting by O'Malley or Chaffee.
And, Point 3) Talk about 'poisoned feed'! That dimwit McCarthy has ripped the mask of respectability off the Benghazi Committee! It's been a set-up all along, a Mafia hit-squad, Nixonian dirty tricks, the "Rat-(dirty-word not allowed to be printed)". There are few moments so stupid in the modern history of politics. Only Gary Hart and "Monkey Business" comes to mind.
The emails? What a joke. She was Sec. of State, not a tech geek. That was someone else's job - and it looks like they didn't do their job... or maybe they did. Haven't a clue, but I do know what "reclassified" means. It means it's 5 years later and policy has changed, so reclassify it. There is no there there.
This is just another hit-piece.
A rigged horse-race.
Up your game.
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Shouldn't the Democratic Party be most concerned about choosing the best candidate who can win the presidency in 2016? Hilliary just proved once again that she wants the presidency for what it can do for her and her family, not for what she could do for the country. And this country needs help asap!
I really do not much care about a politician's private life as long as that person truly works at their job in the public's interest. I really do not see public spiritedness or public interest as motivating Ms. Clinton--mostly opportunism. The presidential candidate demonstrating true concern, public spiritedness, and the public's interest is Bernie Sanders. Why doesn't the Times get that?
And how about former MD governor Martin O'Malley, who gave MD (my home state) true-blue status? Can we find out more about him? Or must we read yet another article about Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina?
But if it is a choice between Hillary and Biden, I pick Biden. Hillary always seems to let herself get trapped by the GOP and waste everyone's time. I don't think Biden would be spending all his time as president getting steamrollered by the grandstanding, make-sure-nothing-positive-happens Republicans.
Wake up DNC: In the GOP's current far right-wing state, this country cannot afford another Rebublican presidency, and heaven forbid the Greedy Old Plutocratic party should sweep the presidency, House, and Senate--and appoint more right-wing-nuts to the Supreme Court.
I really do not much care about a politician's private life as long as that person truly works at their job in the public's interest. I really do not see public spiritedness or public interest as motivating Ms. Clinton--mostly opportunism. The presidential candidate demonstrating true concern, public spiritedness, and the public's interest is Bernie Sanders. Why doesn't the Times get that?
And how about former MD governor Martin O'Malley, who gave MD (my home state) true-blue status? Can we find out more about him? Or must we read yet another article about Donald Trump and Carly Fiorina?
But if it is a choice between Hillary and Biden, I pick Biden. Hillary always seems to let herself get trapped by the GOP and waste everyone's time. I don't think Biden would be spending all his time as president getting steamrollered by the grandstanding, make-sure-nothing-positive-happens Republicans.
Wake up DNC: In the GOP's current far right-wing state, this country cannot afford another Rebublican presidency, and heaven forbid the Greedy Old Plutocratic party should sweep the presidency, House, and Senate--and appoint more right-wing-nuts to the Supreme Court.
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People that actually want to help the country/world are in other professions. People that want to help themselves while projecting the image that they're interested in helping the country/world become politicians.
I don't know. Maybe, it's just me. But I simply don't get this proposed Biden run for the presidential nomination.
First of all, Biden in no way fills a role not already staked out by either Clinton or Sanders. Clinton already has the Blue Dog-thing all wrapped up, which is essentially what Biden is (albeit a more likable Blue Dog); while Sanders already has the progressive-thing going for him, which Biden in no way could or would ever equal.
Second of all, Biden has run twice already for president, and didn't get the nomination either time. The presidency should not be a "third time's the charm" lottery ticket. Give it up. Move on. Don't be like the power-hungry republicans that shamelessly run for office over and over and over again.
Third of all, Biden's a plagiarist, which derailed his first run for the White House.
Fourth of all, Biden allowed everyone's favorite mute Clarence Thomas to become a Supreme Court Justice. Gee, thanks.
Fifth of all, Biden couldn't win a general election, while Hillary would at least have a better shot, based solely on her moneyed backing.
So, once again, please tell me what role Biden is supposed to fill...
First of all, Biden in no way fills a role not already staked out by either Clinton or Sanders. Clinton already has the Blue Dog-thing all wrapped up, which is essentially what Biden is (albeit a more likable Blue Dog); while Sanders already has the progressive-thing going for him, which Biden in no way could or would ever equal.
Second of all, Biden has run twice already for president, and didn't get the nomination either time. The presidency should not be a "third time's the charm" lottery ticket. Give it up. Move on. Don't be like the power-hungry republicans that shamelessly run for office over and over and over again.
Third of all, Biden's a plagiarist, which derailed his first run for the White House.
Fourth of all, Biden allowed everyone's favorite mute Clarence Thomas to become a Supreme Court Justice. Gee, thanks.
Fifth of all, Biden couldn't win a general election, while Hillary would at least have a better shot, based solely on her moneyed backing.
So, once again, please tell me what role Biden is supposed to fill...
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Biden won't be in an orange jump suit.
Because, of course, Hillary's won so many general elections...
Biden fills the role of human pacifier for Establishment Democrats who are scared witless of Hillary crashing and burning, but won't face the reality that the Democratic Party is - finally - being pried out of their sweaty little Republican Lite hands, and being taken back, for and by real Democrats.
Buh-bye, Neoliberals. Never again, DLC. Sorry, Hillary. Take a hike, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Buh-bye, Neoliberals. Never again, DLC. Sorry, Hillary. Take a hike, Debbie Wasserman Schultz.
Hillary's association with Sidney Blumenthal and David Brock speak volumes about her character and integrity, or lack thereof.......
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It would be a disaster for the country to get a GOP president. Hillary should drop out because of this email stuff and the DEM should get a person that can win. I do not think Joe or Bernie are the one.
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Joe could easily win. Maybe Bernie. His programs are far radical despite his label as a "socialist."
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How about Michelle, if she were willing?
Mr Biden should run for the sake of democracy. Mr Sanders is not electable, being too far to the left for the overwhelming majority of Americans. Given that fact, Democrats currently have no choice. It is just Hillary. This is not good for the party and not good for the country. Might as well go back to the smoke filled rooms if this is all the party can come up with for the primaries.
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If Sanders is too far to the left for you then many, many Americans are too. Apparently Sanders is more in tune with the American people than you know.
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The Times headline seems to be written to appear ominous. Really. Is Hillary Clinton supposed to ignore a possible Biden campaign? That would be suicidal.
This is a foolish and dishonest piece. The Clinton campaign is just doing what any campaign would have to do.
This is a foolish and dishonest piece. The Clinton campaign is just doing what any campaign would have to do.
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There's something narcissistic about most political candidates; it's naked and unashamed in Trump, muted in people like Sanders and Carson, and barely concealed in Hillary.
Why did the security of your emails not matter when you held the security of our nation in your hands?
Why does it not matter that you defended a sexual predator?
If good intentions were all that mattered, the election should involve polygraphs rather than speeches: "I have meant well in all I have done." But Hillary doesn't get that the rest of us play by rules that she is not exempt from, including the rule that nobody is entitled to waive off their past.
So ironically, she goes for Biden, who doesn't really need to waive off his past; despite the undeserved goofy image (the burden of most VP's), his ordinary errors in judgment don't rise to HRC's level of potential criminality. And his record of service is stellar by comparison to any unbiased observer.
Why did the security of your emails not matter when you held the security of our nation in your hands?
Why does it not matter that you defended a sexual predator?
If good intentions were all that mattered, the election should involve polygraphs rather than speeches: "I have meant well in all I have done." But Hillary doesn't get that the rest of us play by rules that she is not exempt from, including the rule that nobody is entitled to waive off their past.
So ironically, she goes for Biden, who doesn't really need to waive off his past; despite the undeserved goofy image (the burden of most VP's), his ordinary errors in judgment don't rise to HRC's level of potential criminality. And his record of service is stellar by comparison to any unbiased observer.
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As a conservative, I can only plead with Hillar to stay in the race until the bitter end. Don't let the establishment force you out!
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I see the chattering class is hard on work. First it's feel the Bern, then it's how great a guy old Joltin' Joe is. To top it off we hear possibly the next Speaker Kevin McCarthy brag how Republicans, now on their Eighth Committee convened to investigate Secretary Clinton's alleged blunders in Benghazi. These numerous investigations have now lasted longer than any investigation in US history, longer than ones on Pearl Harbor and Watergate. The purpose of these endless witch hunts are obvious. They are part of a concerted plan to lower Hillary's poll numbers, to get her to quit the race. Taint gonna happen, folks.
It's finally become obvious that was the Republicans intentions all along. It is Hillary whom they fear, it is she who they are taunting. If voters abandon Hillary, it will be a GOP coup. They will then set their sights on Joe The Plagiarist Biden and Bernie the Communist, much easier targets to defeat on a national stage.
Forget the GOP smoke and mirrors. It's all about Hillary. We lifelong Dems are not fooled the least. Hillary is the one we brought to the dance. It is Hillary who we'll be taking home come next November, home to the White House.
DD
Manhattan
It's finally become obvious that was the Republicans intentions all along. It is Hillary whom they fear, it is she who they are taunting. If voters abandon Hillary, it will be a GOP coup. They will then set their sights on Joe The Plagiarist Biden and Bernie the Communist, much easier targets to defeat on a national stage.
Forget the GOP smoke and mirrors. It's all about Hillary. We lifelong Dems are not fooled the least. Hillary is the one we brought to the dance. It is Hillary who we'll be taking home come next November, home to the White House.
DD
Manhattan
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It's not the Republicans who will knock Hillary out but Obama himself.
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It is sad to note that our "leading" presidential candidates are spending their time and energy putting down their foe(s). One does not elevate one's self by lowering others. You're still in the same place. One has to elevate one's self above the rest. Neither Clinton nor Trump can do that as neither has the vision to do so, nor to lead this country. Our media made candidates must be the laughing stock of the world.
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I think that it's about time for Biden to admit that he is not going to run for president. The speculation of his "possible" candidacy is ridiculous and quite unsettling. He should be supporting Hillary.
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The other way around makes more sense. Mrs. Clinton is too damaged to win a general election. Moreover, even the mention of her name turns many of us off and we're Democrats!
The Obama years have been good ones for the country. We don't need to return to the endless drama of the Clinton years and we don't need to elect someone just because she is the wife of a former President, a status that she already used to get elected to the Senate and to secure an appointment as secretary of state.
Mr. Biden would be a far superior candidate and a better President, too. He'd have more support from independent voters, critical to getting elected, and his 40+ years in public service far exceed Mrs. Clinton's experience.
The Obama years have been good ones for the country. We don't need to return to the endless drama of the Clinton years and we don't need to elect someone just because she is the wife of a former President, a status that she already used to get elected to the Senate and to secure an appointment as secretary of state.
Mr. Biden would be a far superior candidate and a better President, too. He'd have more support from independent voters, critical to getting elected, and his 40+ years in public service far exceed Mrs. Clinton's experience.
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I think it is doing Joe Biden, a man I respect, a great service. He is admired now, is a winner in many eyes. This will not hold up if he enters the race. Then the focus will shift to his mistakes, bad decisions and areas of weakness. He doesn't bring to the table a new direction in policy and his experience is still not as great as Hillary's. Keeping him out of the race is the humane and smart thing to do.
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"His experience is still not as great as Hillary's": Really? You mean all his years as a Senator, as head of the Foreign Relations Committee, and his two terms as Vice President don't count, but Hillary's one-term as a Senator and one-term as an unremarkable Secretary of State do? Oh yes, I forgot her years as Bill's "co-President" and her tenure as President Obama's "partner" (instead of employee) when she was SOS.
Biden hasn't enriched himself during is years office. The Clintons clearly have.
So, give me Joe Biden any day.
Biden hasn't enriched himself during is years office. The Clintons clearly have.
So, give me Joe Biden any day.
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Joe Biden was an embarrassment to us all up until the day his son died earlier this year. This is the same many who tried to give the German chancellor a neck massage? the same guy who bottomed out of two presidential bids? The same guy who left his first bid for copying the heartrending speech by a british pol? The same guy who has represented the interests of all the credit card companies in Delaware? His son's death touched us all but it doesn't make him presidential. Nor does being the heartbeat away for so many years: it didn't make Agnew or Humphrey or Gore or Quayle presidential either.
Yet Biden has some horrible flaw to his character which prevents him from helping Hillary become our first female president. Some awful swelf-importance or petty jealousy that prevents him from serving history and making this a more equitable country. A terrific shame with him and Bernie.
Yet Biden has some horrible flaw to his character which prevents him from helping Hillary become our first female president. Some awful swelf-importance or petty jealousy that prevents him from serving history and making this a more equitable country. A terrific shame with him and Bernie.
It is a lesser-of-two-evils decision, I'll give you that.
Hillary should just drop out now and avoid the inevitable legal mess she's created for herself by compromising national security with her whimsical decision to send and receive classified information over her private email system. By doing so she could "realize at this point in (her) career (s)he can go out with everyone's respect and esteem."
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President Hillary Clinton, say it with me.
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Let me save the Clinton camp some time: Joe Biden was born in this country.
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Republicans were sure that Barack Obama must have committed a criminal act with Benghazi, after nine investigations every accusation was either disproven outright or had no evidence behind it, until he won re-election. Now the focus is on Hillary, she must have committed a criminal act in Benghazi. The GOP talk about Hillary being slimy and underhanded and yet they never EVER have the courage to confront her on Policy positions, always looking for the criminal act, the controversy, that must be there. Personally I don't blame them, after all, how can you win an election by coming out for the further enrichment of the 1% and against Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, and War instead of peace?
Funny how the argument is always about e-mails and not about how they would govern. Talk about slimy and underhanded.
Funny how the argument is always about e-mails and not about how they would govern. Talk about slimy and underhanded.
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"On a recent stop at a diner in Laconia, N.H., Mrs. Clinton answered a voter’s question about why she had supported bankruptcy legislation that Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat of Massachusetts, and other liberal activists opposed. Unprompted, she raised the vice president’s role in the bill.
“I said, ‘It’s really important to me that we don’t hurt women and children, so I will support it even though there are other things I don’t like in it,’ ” Mrs. Clinton told the questioner, Jo Smith. Then she added, “It was Vice President Biden who was the senator from Delaware and the Republican co-sponsor that I was talking with.”
The vast majority of personal bankruptcies are the result of serious illness, loss of employment or divorce. This bankruptcy legislation made getting out from under a load of crushing debt much, much more difficult for the average American, and was very beneficial to the many credit card companies incorporated in Joe Biden’s state. To see Clinton, after voting for this very hurtful bill, trying to give more blame to Biden is very revealing. What she is saying is that we should vote for her because she is less hurtful than Biden.
Also it should be noted that this article manages to talk a great deal about Clinton and Biden and never once even mentions he-whose-name-should-not-be- said, Bernie Sanders.
“I said, ‘It’s really important to me that we don’t hurt women and children, so I will support it even though there are other things I don’t like in it,’ ” Mrs. Clinton told the questioner, Jo Smith. Then she added, “It was Vice President Biden who was the senator from Delaware and the Republican co-sponsor that I was talking with.”
The vast majority of personal bankruptcies are the result of serious illness, loss of employment or divorce. This bankruptcy legislation made getting out from under a load of crushing debt much, much more difficult for the average American, and was very beneficial to the many credit card companies incorporated in Joe Biden’s state. To see Clinton, after voting for this very hurtful bill, trying to give more blame to Biden is very revealing. What she is saying is that we should vote for her because she is less hurtful than Biden.
Also it should be noted that this article manages to talk a great deal about Clinton and Biden and never once even mentions he-whose-name-should-not-be- said, Bernie Sanders.
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Yes, yes, keep talking about Clinton-Biden as the inevitable matchup. If you ignore that other guy, maybe people will forget his [genuinely progressive] message and he'll just go away. As a Democratic voter, who will vote for a rotting stump over any candidate from that lunatic fringe party, I, like may of us, listen to what these candidates are saying (and not saying). You can't fake the funk, and while it remains to be seen the staying power of Bernie Sanders, his message resonates with the people, similar scenario to a certain underdog candidate in 2007 and early 2008. Hillary is trying to control the medium, but to date, she does not own the message.
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The idea that Biden would tarnish his "legacy" by getting into the race is beyond stupid. Did Hubert Humphrey tarnish his legacy when he ran against Nixon? Of course not.
If Biden does get in, the larger beneficiary will be Sanders, who will sneak into first place as Clinton's supporters move over to Biden.
If Biden does get in, the larger beneficiary will be Sanders, who will sneak into first place as Clinton's supporters move over to Biden.
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Clinton is watching her presidential dreams slip away, and she has nobody to blame but herself. This is what comes of fleecing the American people with the bogus Clinton Global Initiative, which is really just a cash cow for her political ambitions. Add the e-mail and private server mess to the mix and you have a recipe for disaster, especially since it is now revealed that Russian hackers were into her server. You can fool some of the people all of the time, but sooner or later the rest catch on to your phony act.
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What a choice. Wall Street Hillary or Visa Card Joe. Now that's what we call 'democracy'! Everyone who has over a million bucks wins!
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Republicans hate Hillary and would show up in droves on election day to ensure that she is not elected.
Democrats mostly dislike her. Few Democrats, judging by the Comments sections to this paper's many articles about Hillary, are genuinely enthusiastic about her candidacy. Democrats are not reliable voters on election day if they are not enthusiastic.
Hillary needs to acknowledge these irrefutable facts and decide whether it is in the Country's/ Party's interest that she remain in the race.
Democrats mostly dislike her. Few Democrats, judging by the Comments sections to this paper's many articles about Hillary, are genuinely enthusiastic about her candidacy. Democrats are not reliable voters on election day if they are not enthusiastic.
Hillary needs to acknowledge these irrefutable facts and decide whether it is in the Country's/ Party's interest that she remain in the race.
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Like they did in 2012 with Obama? The republicans are small minority fringe. Democrats like Hillary very much. That's why Hillary received 18 MILLION VOTES in the 2008 primaries. More than anyone else in history.
aaron,
With due respect, I read these Comments sections every day and have for years. Consider it an informal poll, an unscientific analysis, anecdotal if you wish.
Most of those that comment are committed Demcrats.
I literally never see an enthusiastic, unequivocal, full throated endorsement of support for Secretary Clinton.
That's a fact. Democrats need to disabuse themselves of the notion that they can start ignoring facts. Once they do, they are no different than Republicans.
Barack Obama was twice elected because Democrats were enthusiastic about him.
With due respect, I read these Comments sections every day and have for years. Consider it an informal poll, an unscientific analysis, anecdotal if you wish.
Most of those that comment are committed Demcrats.
I literally never see an enthusiastic, unequivocal, full throated endorsement of support for Secretary Clinton.
That's a fact. Democrats need to disabuse themselves of the notion that they can start ignoring facts. Once they do, they are no different than Republicans.
Barack Obama was twice elected because Democrats were enthusiastic about him.
This should be titled -- "DNC Establishment jostling for self-preservation strategy"
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I would support Biden if he decided to run.
Hillary gives me the creeps. I like Bernie, but I don't think he can win an election, and even if he did, there would be no chance of any of his platform getting enacted.
Biden hits the sweet spot; he's a politician that most Americans trust, but would protect and advance the progressive agenda.
Hillary gives me the creeps. I like Bernie, but I don't think he can win an election, and even if he did, there would be no chance of any of his platform getting enacted.
Biden hits the sweet spot; he's a politician that most Americans trust, but would protect and advance the progressive agenda.
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Was Biden born in this country?
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Born in 1942 in Scranton PA.
It is not Hillary who should be concerned about a Biden candidacy, it is America who should be concerned.
First, Biden can't win. He's never received more than 5% in any primary.
And his entry will fracture the centrist Democratic vote possibly giving Sanders a path to the nomination, which will mean a 49 state landslide loss for Democrats and possible rump regional status for the party well into this century.
Biden is a clean, articulate fellow, nothing personal or professional wrong with him.
But only Hillary can defeat the Republican in 2016. It is bad enough Democrats continue to drink the Republican kool aid that she has done something wrong and abandon her. Biden's entry will only harm her further in the general, if she gets that far.
By all intents and purposes, the GOP plan for victory in 2016 seems to be going as planned, thanks to the spineless predictability of Democrats.
First, Biden can't win. He's never received more than 5% in any primary.
And his entry will fracture the centrist Democratic vote possibly giving Sanders a path to the nomination, which will mean a 49 state landslide loss for Democrats and possible rump regional status for the party well into this century.
Biden is a clean, articulate fellow, nothing personal or professional wrong with him.
But only Hillary can defeat the Republican in 2016. It is bad enough Democrats continue to drink the Republican kool aid that she has done something wrong and abandon her. Biden's entry will only harm her further in the general, if she gets that far.
By all intents and purposes, the GOP plan for victory in 2016 seems to be going as planned, thanks to the spineless predictability of Democrats.
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For me, Hillary has become a ticking time bomb. I never know, from day to day, what hysterical headlines will appear in this paper and elsewhere, or in shrill comments from the GOP, to throw yet another dagger into the heart of the Clinton campaign.
One has to admit it: she is becoming a hugely unreliable, nerve-shaking candidate, one who seems to spend more time defending her emails than her total record in political life.
I hope Biden runs, and I sure hope he decides soon, if nothing else to spare us all the battle of nerves being played out in Democratic circles. The more apparent it becomes, for me at least, that this country cannot afford to have the GOP in charge of all 3 branches of government the shakier Hillary's inevitability becomes.
Distractions at this point in the campaign are dangerous and annoying. Clinton needs to get her act together fast, and if attacking Joe seems to be her way of reacting, all I can say is, God help us.
For heavens sake, Democrats, pull together and present a more united front to every unfounded, nasty assertion being hurled by the mud-slinging GOP.
One has to admit it: she is becoming a hugely unreliable, nerve-shaking candidate, one who seems to spend more time defending her emails than her total record in political life.
I hope Biden runs, and I sure hope he decides soon, if nothing else to spare us all the battle of nerves being played out in Democratic circles. The more apparent it becomes, for me at least, that this country cannot afford to have the GOP in charge of all 3 branches of government the shakier Hillary's inevitability becomes.
Distractions at this point in the campaign are dangerous and annoying. Clinton needs to get her act together fast, and if attacking Joe seems to be her way of reacting, all I can say is, God help us.
For heavens sake, Democrats, pull together and present a more united front to every unfounded, nasty assertion being hurled by the mud-slinging GOP.
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Your last paragraph is in conflict with your first four. Please do pull with the party and stop listening to the mudslingers attacking Hillary. She is the best prepared to be President of all the contenders in or on the edge of the race.
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I feel the same way. God help us if the GOP wins. Hillary is washed up by the email stuff, please find some who can win, please.
What record of Hillarys' political life are you speaking to?
Hillary's moment was 2008 and she lost. There is a strong aroma around her of running a 2008 campaign in a changed landscape, and having failed to turn the calendar over and realize she's done. For that matter, that goes for Jeb Bush, who looks like he's only doing this because Mom said he had to and he wishes he were somewhere else. Hillary has the stamp of the same old centre left/centre right hack depending on what day it is and who her audience is. Biden has somewhat the same aura, only he's far more likable, has less baggage, and after seeing him on the Colbert Show, he suddenly looks terribly viable.
Sanders and Trump, on the other hand, have the same advantage: they aren't the same old same old hacks carrying past political privilege around like a stamp on their foreheads, which is mitigating whatever other stamps are visible on their foreheads (socialist, moron, fill in the blank).
Were I the Democrats, I would seriously start reconsidering Hillary, and move toward mulling over a Biden/Sanders ticket. Or Democrats risk leaving their already annoyed base with that old sigh of disgust as they hold their noses and of vote Dem only because of the Supreme Court. That is wearing mighty thin.
Sanders and Trump, on the other hand, have the same advantage: they aren't the same old same old hacks carrying past political privilege around like a stamp on their foreheads, which is mitigating whatever other stamps are visible on their foreheads (socialist, moron, fill in the blank).
Were I the Democrats, I would seriously start reconsidering Hillary, and move toward mulling over a Biden/Sanders ticket. Or Democrats risk leaving their already annoyed base with that old sigh of disgust as they hold their noses and of vote Dem only because of the Supreme Court. That is wearing mighty thin.
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If a nineteen year junior enlisted person in the Army handled classified information the way Hillary did, they would be looking at a twenty year prison sentence. Who was it who said, "if you meet Joe Biden, it's impossible not to like him"? I will choose likeable and honest over devious and corrupt any day. Joe Biden is the only truly genuine person from either party in the position to become the next President. He is the only potential candidate who can relate to the current reality of the average American.
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Hillary is old news and disingenuous.Joe is the real deal with Real accomplishments. It is very refreshing that she is running scared. Joe can beat her and win the election. She will never make it back to the WH ...
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Please name one.
Clinton couldn't exist without an "enemies list" so Joe Biden has a place on it. Just another reason to NOT vote for her. The Dems need to exercise some imagination and come up with a candidate who is not so burdened with baggage (they call it experience) and ethical challenges. They are using the wrong metrics to measure her "experience". As SecState, she went around the world shilling for war equipment and weapon suppliers, GMO chemical/seed companies, TPP and oil-gas fracking and all the rest of destructive capitalism. Also, let's ask the Iraqi women and children, or widows and orphans to be more precise, of how she "cares" about them. The HRC narrative is ridiculous, and filled with lies. Come on Dems, 310+ million in the US and the best you can do is this "it's her turn" candidate. Bankrupt--corrupt corporate major party.
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Clinton is the best the elites can come up with. Increasingly, and obviously without the support of the New York Times, Bernie Sanders is the candidate people are flocking to.
Sanders 2016
Sanders 2016
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When your candidacy has run out of gas, Hillary, it makes perfect sense to gas the opposition.
It works very well in third world tyrannies; why shouldn't it work in the world's flagship democracy ?
Hillary Or Else 2016
It works very well in third world tyrannies; why shouldn't it work in the world's flagship democracy ?
Hillary Or Else 2016
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Being a Democrat, I consider Bill Clinton to have been one of the best Presidents in American history. That said, the biggest recommendation for Hillary is that she is married to him and presumably would be influenced and advised by him if she were President. Her personal accomplishments are overshadowed by her failures – medical insurance reform, her record at State dept. and now her befuddlement over the propriety of email – which most who worked for any fortune 500 company would understand.
What I find so appalling is her direct appeals to the dem’s special interest groups – gays, blacks, women, illegals, unions – comparable to the rep’s businessman, billionaires, gun toters and war hawks –
I grew up in poverty and have my personal share of medical issues, etc. even though I am supposed to be the privileged white male class. I have had to work real hard to raise myself from that poverty and still struggle to be able to retire one day – so every time she makes specific appeals to one of the special interests groups vs appealing to a sense of what is fair and ethical she loses me big time. And mostly that is what comes out of her mouth.
Run Joe, Run!
What I find so appalling is her direct appeals to the dem’s special interest groups – gays, blacks, women, illegals, unions – comparable to the rep’s businessman, billionaires, gun toters and war hawks –
I grew up in poverty and have my personal share of medical issues, etc. even though I am supposed to be the privileged white male class. I have had to work real hard to raise myself from that poverty and still struggle to be able to retire one day – so every time she makes specific appeals to one of the special interests groups vs appealing to a sense of what is fair and ethical she loses me big time. And mostly that is what comes out of her mouth.
Run Joe, Run!
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Bill got lucky with the tech bubble which he had absolutely had nothing to do with........he did have the ongoing problems in the ME and Bin Laden and his chance to get him but decided against it. You do remember the USS Cole and the embassy bombings and the first World Trade Center bombing don't you. Yes Bill was the greatest president in the mind of a delusional kool aid drinker.
Women are not a "special interest" group: we are half of the human race.
I do hope VP Biden runs and spares the nation another Clinton scandle. When the last Clinton was in the White House, I actually had to answer questions from my then twelve year old daughter regarding presidential body fluids. Please Mr. Biden, run.
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I can't comprehend ANY rational taxpayer voting for another liberal, after what "obama" has done to our country! "clinton", "biden" and "sanders" are just more of the same socialist cancer that has infected our political system!
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can't the same be said of Bush and conservatives? He was running the country in the RED and this was during a period of econonomic GROWTH, not STAGNATION.
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I can't comprehend your use of the word "socialist" here, aside from Sanders. The others are unabashed supporters of Wall Street and corporate capitalism. Do you know what the word "socialist" even means?
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When one has to rely on a dubious character like Brock then yes there are serious problems.
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Ms. Clinton, I strongly suggest you worry about the possibility of impending indictments and collapse of your family empire. If this occurs, perhaps you can do what is in the best interests of the nation for the first time in your political career.
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I think that Obama wants to see the CGI fail so that it does not get in the way of his post-WH ambitions. I think Obama will let the investigations run their natural course, which will maximize the damage to Hillary.
Rather like, in order to win the 100 yard dash, tripping your better opponent. Nothing like fair play to instill confidence and win votes.
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I would think that republicans at this point would hope she is the candidate.
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All issues of the nasty politics aside, the truth is, Hillary Clinton's moment was 2008 and she lost. She is not going to be able to move past - being the Past. Doesn't mean she can't get elected if the GOP puts up Jeb Bush or Marco Rubio or God help him, Jeb Bush, who looks like he's going through the motions because Mom told him to and he'd rather forget the whole thing - but it also doesn't guarantee her the nomination. She's running a 2008 campaign in a changed landscape. She's far too obviously the same old-same old: a slightly right of centre/slightly left of centre hack depending what day it is and who her audience is. She will change nothing in this country to any real extent even if she gets 8 years in the Oval Office. Biden is the same but he's much more likable and he did himself a few huge favours on the Colbert Show recently. Hillary just isn't likable, she has enormous baggage, and her campaign looks far too much like an Oscar campaign based on whose turn it is. Sanders is narrowing the fundraising gap.
Jeb and Hillary and Biden all have the same problem: names too familiar from past political privilege, too much professional political entitlement . . . Sanders and Trump have the same advantage: they aren't.
Jeb and Hillary and Biden all have the same problem: names too familiar from past political privilege, too much professional political entitlement . . . Sanders and Trump have the same advantage: they aren't.
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you forgot to mention that there is a tremdous hatred of her by hard core conservatives that can mobilize votes for any Republican candidate. If another Democrat would run this specfic large "base" can be undercut.
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Isn't it about time to send this old horse hour to pasture. She comes with so much baggage, she might even top Obama as a worse president.She lies, she's deceitful and untrustworthy. I certainly don't want a person like that representing me. Furthermore, if she was a "normal" person, she would be in prison for what she has done by now. Let's hope her "untouchable" status changes quickly. Any representative in Washington needs to know that they must follow the same laws as a common citizen.
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What's amazing to me is the fact she: 1. Is still considered a viable, qualified candidate 2. Thinks she somehow 'deserves' the office, and 3. Isn't already rotting in a federal prison. Only the DNC could continue to encourage and fuel this delusional farce.
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So Dems will maybe get to decide between a communist, a corrupt liar and a man dumber than Sarah Palin. What a lineup!!!
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Biden dumb??? I think not. I think he's had everyone fooled. I'll take him over anyone currently running on both sides of the aisle.
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Who is the Communist? Sanders? He is not. Try to be better informed.
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you do realize there is a difference between a socialist and communist, right?
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Biden keeps polling well. As a Democrat, I want the candidate best able to beat the Republicans. Nothing else matters. Take a look at the Sept 24 Quinnipiac poll.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/nat...
From the report: "In head-to-head matchups, Clinton gets 43 percent to 44 percent for Fiorina. Clinton trails Carson 49 - 42 percent. She gets 42 percent to 44 percent for Bush and gets 45 percent to Trump's 43 percent.
Biden gets 46 percent to 43 percent for Fiorina and beats Bush 46 - 41 percent and Trump 51 - 40 percent. Biden and Carson are tied 45 - 45 percent.
Sanders gets 43 percent to Fiorina's 44 percent and ties Bush 44 - 44 percent. Sanders trails Carson 49 - 39 percent and tops Trump 47 - 42 percent."
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/nat...
From the report: "In head-to-head matchups, Clinton gets 43 percent to 44 percent for Fiorina. Clinton trails Carson 49 - 42 percent. She gets 42 percent to 44 percent for Bush and gets 45 percent to Trump's 43 percent.
Biden gets 46 percent to 43 percent for Fiorina and beats Bush 46 - 41 percent and Trump 51 - 40 percent. Biden and Carson are tied 45 - 45 percent.
Sanders gets 43 percent to Fiorina's 44 percent and ties Bush 44 - 44 percent. Sanders trails Carson 49 - 39 percent and tops Trump 47 - 42 percent."
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Given the decided shift in the polls, which may or not be so important as they seem on any given day still more than a year out from the election; given the madness on the Republican side, increasing the stakes of the election as if that were possible; given the uncertainty every day about what next revelation will rock a Clinton candidacy and given the apparent plateauing of the Sanders candidacy, and it has plateaued at above its real height, if the vice president enters the race he will surge to a substantial lead.
Would he keep it and does he have time to translate the surge into primary and caucus wins and super-delegate decisions?
Wish I knew the answer to that. Anyone who says he does or she does is smoking something.
Guessing from here, since we are not at October and it would have been easy until now to say that he is not running, it is more likely each day that he is.
As a liberal all that matters is that one of them, Biden or Clinton, runs and wins. To lose the White House and the next five SCOTUS appointments with it is unthinkable.
Would he keep it and does he have time to translate the surge into primary and caucus wins and super-delegate decisions?
Wish I knew the answer to that. Anyone who says he does or she does is smoking something.
Guessing from here, since we are not at October and it would have been easy until now to say that he is not running, it is more likely each day that he is.
As a liberal all that matters is that one of them, Biden or Clinton, runs and wins. To lose the White House and the next five SCOTUS appointments with it is unthinkable.
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This article is all conjecture. The headline is very misleading since it is an opinion not a fact.
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Thanks I was going to make the same comment about the lead paragraph. Did anyone on Clinton's campaign confirm they are "worried"? If not, it is an editorial disguised as a news story.
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I can't decide which would be more fun to see; Hillary nominated then stomped in an election, or an all out dogfight between Biden and Hillary.
It never ceases to amaze me how Hillary is even in the race, she's such an annoying corrupt creature I have to believe her supporters just recognize her name. Anything else is a total mystery to me.
It never ceases to amaze me how Hillary is even in the race, she's such an annoying corrupt creature I have to believe her supporters just recognize her name. Anything else is a total mystery to me.
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Why aren't there any viable Democrats beyond these senior citizens? There are what? 20 Republicans who are running. Even the idea of a Biden seems lukewarm and its had to tell if he is actually interested or he's just providing the appearance of a Hillary having a serious challenge.
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How insulting to us seasoned citizens. What is wrong with having more experience than the opposition? You seem to be an "ageist".
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Probably because so few people are delusional enough to believe in the class warfare, race warfare, welfare state, illegal aliens and pointless warfare that is today's Democrat party line. You need out of touch dinosaurs to promote that.
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Perhaps they'd better spend more time defusing the e-mail mess and presenting a candidate that people are enthused about. Joe Biden is an authentic human being instead of a programmed robot.
Joe Biden has many things to consider and perhaps he should take a page out of Donald Trump's book and announce the morning of the CNN debates. He can show up and would be the main topic on everyone's mind. Here's praying the third time is the charm, Joe.
Joe Biden has many things to consider and perhaps he should take a page out of Donald Trump's book and announce the morning of the CNN debates. He can show up and would be the main topic on everyone's mind. Here's praying the third time is the charm, Joe.
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Biden will be the Democrat nominee for President. Period.
Hillary will soon begin assembling a pant suit ensemble for prison where she belongs.
Hillary will soon begin assembling a pant suit ensemble for prison where she belongs.
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Prison? Thought that for people convicted of crimes.
Anyone But Clinton.
I would vote for Biden in a NY minute. Clinton will never get my vote. No more legacy Presidents thank you.
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Just another politician who's been in Washington for 40+ years.
So much for legacy.
I love all this poll prognosticating of someone who isn't even in the race...let's wait until Biden's first gaffe to see what his polls will look like then.
So much for legacy.
I love all this poll prognosticating of someone who isn't even in the race...let's wait until Biden's first gaffe to see what his polls will look like then.
or token women either.
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Trump has had how many gaffes and is still at the #1 spot?
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Well thanks. I kind of expected another meaningless hit piece on Clinton today since huge news broke yesterday that the presumptive Speaker of the House admitted that the millions spent on Benghazi investigations were for the purpose of bringing down Clinton's poll numbers and the NYT ran a tiny, barely noticeable story on it. Good luck trying to find it today. But now we're supposed to believe that Biden is a threat and the Clinton people are worried. America saw Joe Biden on Colbert's show. The poor man is shattered after the death of his son. It was heartbreaking to watch. He's not running for president. The article is filled with speculation and the only fact I see is that Clinton has raised over $75 million dollars over the past six months and we're not even in a presidential election year yet. How much money has Biden raised?
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biden has not raised that much but the fact that he had enough common sense to not use a personal (non-encrypted) server for official govt business shows far, far better judgement. The fact that Ms. Clinton did this comprimised the US in many ways thanks to the fact that by doing so she basically handed plenty of data over to Russia and China (among others). All this to protect her narrow interests (and placing those interests over an above the interests of the US).
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Hillary is a terrible candidate that very few people actually like. Her sense of entitlement is off the charts. She feels threatened by Biden because she knows any other establishment Democrat would knock her out of the race. Right now it is a race between Hillary the uninspiring establishment candidate and Sanders the liberal democratic candidate. the establishment democrats are afraid of Bernie and know that Clinton is weak and unappealing as a candidate. If another establishment with name recognition entered the race they would move to that person and leave Hillary in the dust. I'm rooting for Bernie. This independent of 22 years just registered as a Democrat to vote for Bernie in the primary. He has the enthusiasm of his supporters unlike his opponents.
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Another Clinton pre-emptive strike.
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We'll see what happens when she is grilled by the Benghazi Congressional Committee. Each day that goes by, Ms. Clinton's arrogance is showing through with the missing e-mails, and the like. Her equivalent of the Nixon Tapes. Having her husband, in the White House again, only tarnishes her more. Instead of running, she should consider dropping out, just so a Republican does not waltz into the White House.
A lot can be said about Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders, but, they are the real deal. They speak their minds. You know where they are coming from. They do not hide their faults. They are not sugar coating themselves. The only other candidate, that is the real deal (fro bad) is Donald Trump. The rest, are playing to their minions and will say anything to get elected.
Finally, just the idea that Ms. Clinton thinks Democrats are naive, is enough for her to get out of the race. Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are eating at her poll numbers, because people see a dishonest, entitled, arrogant politician in their midst.
A lot can be said about Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders, but, they are the real deal. They speak their minds. You know where they are coming from. They do not hide their faults. They are not sugar coating themselves. The only other candidate, that is the real deal (fro bad) is Donald Trump. The rest, are playing to their minions and will say anything to get elected.
Finally, just the idea that Ms. Clinton thinks Democrats are naive, is enough for her to get out of the race. Bernie Sanders and Joe Biden are eating at her poll numbers, because people see a dishonest, entitled, arrogant politician in their midst.
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Speaker-in-Waiting McCarthy says the whole Benghazi investigation is no more than a political stunt. Where have you been?
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Sanders would be a 49 state landslide loss for Democrats in 2016.
Biden has 45 years of paid public service the GOP oppo research can pour through.
He looks good now, but so did Hillary before she declared.
And no, the emails are not the equivalent of the Nixon tapes because Hillary broke no laws.
Her poll numbers are declining because Democrats are easily manipulated by Republicans.
Biden has 45 years of paid public service the GOP oppo research can pour through.
He looks good now, but so did Hillary before she declared.
And no, the emails are not the equivalent of the Nixon tapes because Hillary broke no laws.
Her poll numbers are declining because Democrats are easily manipulated by Republicans.
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MS. Clinton is damages good and will not win an election. If anything, she is a divisive figure to independents, and Democrats. Her nomination will almost certainly hand the Whit House to the Republicans.
As for Benghazi, or her e-mails, the idea that she was not forthcoming in the first place, and showing arrogance, was enough to show she is no different from her husband. That is, they think they are better than everyone else, and they can do anything they want. Her responses to the e-mails, were phrased in similar fashion to what Bill Clinton said about Monica Lewinsky. At that point, my trust for her went to zero.
As fro Bernie Sanders losing in 49 of 50 states, maybe he will will; maybe he won't. But, Ms. Clinton has polarized enough people that at least 40% of Democrats (30% fro her, and 22% each for Biden and Sanders) do not want her as the nominee.26% have not made up their minds. Oh Yeah, and that 30% fro Ms. Clinton continues to drop.
As for Benghazi, or her e-mails, the idea that she was not forthcoming in the first place, and showing arrogance, was enough to show she is no different from her husband. That is, they think they are better than everyone else, and they can do anything they want. Her responses to the e-mails, were phrased in similar fashion to what Bill Clinton said about Monica Lewinsky. At that point, my trust for her went to zero.
As fro Bernie Sanders losing in 49 of 50 states, maybe he will will; maybe he won't. But, Ms. Clinton has polarized enough people that at least 40% of Democrats (30% fro her, and 22% each for Biden and Sanders) do not want her as the nominee.26% have not made up their minds. Oh Yeah, and that 30% fro Ms. Clinton continues to drop.
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Memo to Democrats from Republicans: please nominate Hillary. She is corrupt, has anti-charisma, is part of the 1% and is universally not trusted. We can beat her even if we foolishly nominate Jeb Bush. Thank you.
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Don't underestimate the GOP's ability to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Thanks for caring so much about us. We will nominate Hillary Clinton. If your side is really so confident that you can beat her, will you please stop wasting all of the country's money on ridiculous congressional Benghazi investigations since your own presumptive Speaker of the House admitted yesterday that they are all politically motivated attempts to affect Clinton's poll numbers? Please go back to wasting Super Pac money on that and leave taxpayers' money alone.
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JEB! vs HRC would be the absolute lowest turnout election ever. Can't imagine a lower turnout. Even Honey Boo Boo vs Imelda Marcos would have a higher turnout.
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I believe that Mr. Biden has, by nature of his position, insider knowledge that HRC violated security directives with her email server. He is now trying to determine to what extent she will be prosecuted. This will cement his decision.
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Let's not forget Bernie Sanders. Clinton should be increasingly worried from the significant challenger who is actually running. The Times has gotten slightly better at mentioning Sanders, but still the coverage does not seem balanced.
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Mention the man actually beating her in the polls? This ain't BernieSanders.com!
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Bernie is a self admitted socialist. Is that what you want? If you think socialism is great, look at Venezuela.
You do realize that balanced coverage does not mean equal print for each candidate, right? Sanders has no chance of actually winning the nomination, let alone the Presidency. Why waste print on a doomed campaign?
One can almost smell the desperation of the Hillary Clinton campaign. They never expected to have the FBI as the main opposition in 2016.
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Actually, it is the Republican Congress that is her main opposition, as McCarthy's comments about the true objectives of the Benghazi committee are publicly revealed.
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Paul, Obama holds the strings on the FBI.
I have to congratulate you on your title for this piece, given that all of the article's actual content would call for a much more mundane choice such as "As Joe Biden Still Can't Make Up His Mind, Hillary Clinton Continues to Campaign for President." It seems that you are criticizing her for not taking a timeout until Joe decides he's ready? Must be a slow news day. On the plus side, I was going to praise the New York Times for running a story that wasn't about Hillary's email, but you did manage to throw in your obligatory reference to the "scandal." So there it is: another day, another attack on Hillary for well... I can't be sure.
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And still she will garner the endorsement from the TImes.
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Thank you, CL.
This is a very skewed piece with a twisted headline.
It is, as you say, simply a campaign doing what it has to do to get ready for a contest with another possible contender.
This is a very skewed piece with a twisted headline.
It is, as you say, simply a campaign doing what it has to do to get ready for a contest with another possible contender.
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When you see all the behind the scenes activities and strategies (only some of which are described in this article) that both major parties, their nominal leading candidates, and the power brokers that support them pursue, it should come as no surprise that we have a ruling class of career politicians. Simply put, once you get into the established order of two party politics, play your cards right, and you can likely stay there for life.
Most ordinary people do not even know about superdelegates and how they can affect the outcome. So, it should also come as no surprise that the average person really has no idea of how the candidates for major political office are chosen.
This is why it is so refreshing to see non-career politicians running for high national office.
Most ordinary people do not even know about superdelegates and how they can affect the outcome. So, it should also come as no surprise that the average person really has no idea of how the candidates for major political office are chosen.
This is why it is so refreshing to see non-career politicians running for high national office.
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JPDuffy3-"This is why it is so refreshing to see non-career politicians running for high national office."
Have you LISTENED to any of these non career politicians? They are not politicians for a reason. They are totally ignorant of how government works. That so many believe that one needs no elected governing experience before being elected PRESIDENT is frightening in its naiveté. What qualifies Trump who tops each idiotic statement with an even more idiotic statement to be president? He is a bombastic bully with no workable policies, believing he is running for dictator in chief.
Carly Fiorina has been discredited for both her planned parenthood rant and her record at HP. If she is willing to lie about this what other lies would she be capable of as president? It is obvious that she has no morals or conscience. Would you trust that she wouldn't lie us into more perpetual war as Bush did with his non existent WMDs?
Ben Carson equates having access to healthcare as being worse than slavery. He thinks that people become gay when incarcerated. Every time he opens his mouth his ignorance becomes more apparent. He may be a gifted doctor but he would be a disaster as president.
It's truly frightening that so many feel that the office of president doesn't require the least amount of prior experience in governing at any level. This isn't reality tv. Electing any of these ill prepared candidates to the presidency will have extremely dire consequences. Is the destruction worth it?
Have you LISTENED to any of these non career politicians? They are not politicians for a reason. They are totally ignorant of how government works. That so many believe that one needs no elected governing experience before being elected PRESIDENT is frightening in its naiveté. What qualifies Trump who tops each idiotic statement with an even more idiotic statement to be president? He is a bombastic bully with no workable policies, believing he is running for dictator in chief.
Carly Fiorina has been discredited for both her planned parenthood rant and her record at HP. If she is willing to lie about this what other lies would she be capable of as president? It is obvious that she has no morals or conscience. Would you trust that she wouldn't lie us into more perpetual war as Bush did with his non existent WMDs?
Ben Carson equates having access to healthcare as being worse than slavery. He thinks that people become gay when incarcerated. Every time he opens his mouth his ignorance becomes more apparent. He may be a gifted doctor but he would be a disaster as president.
It's truly frightening that so many feel that the office of president doesn't require the least amount of prior experience in governing at any level. This isn't reality tv. Electing any of these ill prepared candidates to the presidency will have extremely dire consequences. Is the destruction worth it?
This is why it is so refreshing to see non-career politicians running for high national office.
And just who would that be?
And just who would that be?
You don't like voting for the Republicrats, and picking one of two family dynasties, Clinton or Bush?
“he’ll realize that at this point in his career, he can go out with everyone’s respect and esteem.”
And I have this bridge for sale! Mr Biden, admired by many, is a politician. His motivations and ambitions are like his peers in that group. He is certainly more apparently authentic than the current Democrat front-runner, but that's damning with faint praise. She remains the capable, ambitious and insincere opportunist, that expediency may force Democrats to support. I can only repeat the question that many commenters keep asking the NYT, without a satisfactory response. Why so little coverage of Sanders campaign and positions. There are two leading declared candidates, why not have a comparison, head to head of their policy positions? I have no desire to share a beer with either of them, at least the NYT might try and educate me about what they say they might do if elected!
And I have this bridge for sale! Mr Biden, admired by many, is a politician. His motivations and ambitions are like his peers in that group. He is certainly more apparently authentic than the current Democrat front-runner, but that's damning with faint praise. She remains the capable, ambitious and insincere opportunist, that expediency may force Democrats to support. I can only repeat the question that many commenters keep asking the NYT, without a satisfactory response. Why so little coverage of Sanders campaign and positions. There are two leading declared candidates, why not have a comparison, head to head of their policy positions? I have no desire to share a beer with either of them, at least the NYT might try and educate me about what they say they might do if elected!
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"Why so little coverage of Sanders campaign and positions. " I can only assume it is because of Wall St allegiance. I am deeply disappointed in the NYT over their snub of Sanders. So tempted to cancel my subscription in protest.
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Jack we progressive Democrats should not take a fatalistic approach and accept Clinton as the candidate "that expediency may force Democrats to support". Why follow in the footsteps of the Republicans who held their noses and accepted Romney and now so far at least are supporting what would normally be third tier candidates in Trump, Fiorina and Carson.
Among my friends and associates there is a growing movement to support Bernie Sanders. His campaign just raised $24 million last month all in small donations. That's collective voter power in numbers speaking not the lone voices of rich oligarchs and their PAC money. Bernie is sincere, capable, ambitious and hard working and we need to have his back.
Among my friends and associates there is a growing movement to support Bernie Sanders. His campaign just raised $24 million last month all in small donations. That's collective voter power in numbers speaking not the lone voices of rich oligarchs and their PAC money. Bernie is sincere, capable, ambitious and hard working and we need to have his back.
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I agree. It's become almost comical the way the NYT ignore the elephant in the room. Four stories on Clinton today - not including the one where, oh yeah, Bernie closes the funding gap on her by raising $26 million from real voters - not vested party blocs. But I guess that's not as important as, um, Biden, who with five months to go until the first primary, being a threat even though he's said he's not going to run. If ever there were a story to be buried instead of being on the front page.
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Not so bright versus not so honest. It would be a lovely contest.
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This sums it up! Both were for the Iraq invasion, and Biden gave Anita Hill a hard time during the Clarence Thomas hearings. Bernie is the best Democratic candidate. However, all three of the names above are preferable to any of the current Republican mediocrities running.
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Guess I might change that to decent versus ruthless opportunist. How strange was Brock's foot in Hillary's mouth?
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In Obama the Democratic had both.
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Keep worrying, Hillary, because there is nothing you can do to keep me from voting for Biden rather than you (even if I have to write him in).
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God she makes me feel so dirty and slimy just listening to her. I'd prefer it if Biden did get into the race, even though he is a buffoon. At least he is not as slimy as the Clinton duo.
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I am glad you said this, it is exactly how I feel, too. Her candidacy is just gross...
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The Clintons will pull out any trick they have to stop Joe Biden. They know that the Country is not enthusiastic about another Clinton in the White House. they will try to cajole and bully their way to the democratic nomination. They have been planting stories about Biden for a couple of months. The Canard is that he may ruin his stellar reputation if he becomes President. They convinced several of the NYT columnists to write stories to that effect. Joe Biden would be a good candidate because he is human. He has faults. But his main strength is his honesty and his willingness to listen. The Clintons only listen to their Pollsters. Do we really want another Clinton Presidency?
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@Pete ~ I find it hard to believe that the Clintons influenced David Brooks to write the column where he implied that Biden "may ruin his stellar reputation if he becomes President." What are your sources for making this bold assertion?
Yes, I would like to see Hillary Clinton as POTUS!
Yes, I would like to see Hillary Clinton as POTUS!
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You forgot to mention that Mr. Biden is smart and analytical, while retaining his empathy for others. As the former chair of judiciary and foreign affairs committees, he is by far more qualified to be president than any other person currently running for president.
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In answer to your query about another clinton occupying the WH. a resounding NO!!!!!
Maybe the NY Times has forgotten how 'embedding" reporters with combat troops in Iraq "skewed" their objectivity. So why is every story about Hillary Clinton have bylines Chozik/Haberman? On Twitter they are referred to as the "Spite Girls". Their Overlord Maureen Dowd is referred to as...Their Overlord. How about a little change in reporter assignments every once in awhile? And Shear and Schmidt are in the same category.
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I prefer Biden over Clinton; he seems to this point to be an honest person and faithful to his wife.
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That puts him in another league altogether from the Clintons.
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Biden is just a more likeable and also more conservative version of Hillary. I am voting for Sanders for real change.
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Joe is a smooth talker, but his BigMoneyCorpLobby politics make Hillary, a blue dog Corporate democrat, seem more like Elizabeth Warren. Still, maybe the sad story of Joe's truly heroic son will give him enough momentum to take Hillary out. If so, rather than winning by a mere 60%, Bernie will probably win by a landslide.
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Hillary Clinton's biggest problem is that her campaign staff have no discipline. Bernie Sanders deflects all questions about campaign process into answers about policy. Hillary's staff should do likewise with all press inquiries. Stories like this tell me that her staff has been too interested in self-promotion and not enough interested in what is best for Hillary or the country. I don't want to see any more articles like this.
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`Good idea! `Trouble is, no one can turn platitudes into issues.
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If you want a friend in Washington, get a dog. Joe should be very skeptical of the people pushing him to run.
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