Did he give her an EF for Fiorina ?
HP was in deep distress when Fiorina took over. It's the largest tech company in the world today. Sonnenfeld looks like a buffoon.
If we are going to finally have a female President, it better be HILLARY. Fiorina looks like a sourpuss.
Trump and Fiorina, a marriage made in hell. Facts are meaningless to these self-promoting egoists, as are the capacity to admit error and learn from it. Both respond to criticism in the same way, with vicious ad hominum attacks. But even more troubling is the support these miscreants receive from the Republican Party base - yes, they are base.
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None of this is a surprise to those of us who have worked longtime in IT, such as myself who know the damage that this woman did to the venerable firms of Lucent and HP. She told her employees at HP that they had no right to a job as she replaced them with cheaper H1-B foreign workers, and then she took a 21 million dollar golden parachute after she utterly failed as the CEO there. That her candidacy for the Republican nomination for the highest office in the land has gained traction is a measure of how utterly bankrupt and bereft of real morals that party has become in the 21st Century.
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When do the candidates stop tearing up each other's records and start discussing America's real issues?
A disgraced & terminally unemployed former CEO parrots PowerPoint slides full of data suspended from any reality ... and she surges to #3 in the GOP primary. What a clown show.
sidebar: Why aren't the hosts of the debates calling out lies live? Have some interns backstage fact-checking in real time. Fiorina's campaign would have folded up that night if 23M viewers heard about the 50K sacked at Lucent (following accounting fraud) and 30K at HP (following the foolish acquisition).
sidebar: Why aren't the hosts of the debates calling out lies live? Have some interns backstage fact-checking in real time. Fiorina's campaign would have folded up that night if 23M viewers heard about the 50K sacked at Lucent (following accounting fraud) and 30K at HP (following the foolish acquisition).
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Better than Trump? Maybe but that ain't saying much.
Candidate Fiorina is dead in the water, and not viable to face the Democrats. I believe there is a case study on this. Barbara Boxer sent a fusillade of HP history ads Carly's way in the Senate race, and that was that. And rightly so.
We witnessed Ms. Fiorina using financial legerdemain and marketing blather to screw up one of this country's great engineering companies. There are few things non-treasonous that are more un-American than that.
Can't the Republicans see what's coming right down Broadway if Fiorina were to receive the nomination? Carly has no chance.
Candidate Fiorina is dead in the water, and not viable to face the Democrats. I believe there is a case study on this. Barbara Boxer sent a fusillade of HP history ads Carly's way in the Senate race, and that was that. And rightly so.
We witnessed Ms. Fiorina using financial legerdemain and marketing blather to screw up one of this country's great engineering companies. There are few things non-treasonous that are more un-American than that.
Can't the Republicans see what's coming right down Broadway if Fiorina were to receive the nomination? Carly has no chance.
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To err is human. To blame someone else, shows management potential. Of the Carly Fiorina type.
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Memo to Ms. Fiorina: if you exaggerate your own personal assets, you should not be surprised if others exaggerate your deficiencies.
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It's worth noting that the founders of HP and their families, who still owned substantial amounts of HP shares, vigorously opposed Fiorina's ill-conceived acquisitions and, having failed to stop them, resigned from the HP board. HP has never recovered from Fiorina's disastrous performance.
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Wrong. Walter Hewitt voted for the merger as did every member of HP's board and every member of Compaq's board as did a majority of both company's' shareholders. It's now the largest tech company in the world.
What a scam. Not a single pro-Fiorina comment. I submitted one yesterday but it wasn't published.
Liberal bias at NYT.
Liberal bias at NYT.
More and more, Fiorina reminds me of the character Queen Cercei, from the Game Of Thrones. Ruthless ambition & paranoia coupled with a basic mediocrity.
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Ms. Flores put it right: If this guy cannot stand the heat, then, he should get out of the kitchen !
Maybe the professor would understand this adage better: "Those who live in glass houses should not be throwing stones"...
Maybe the professor would understand this adage better: "Those who live in glass houses should not be throwing stones"...
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Taking umbrage at false allegations, decepttions and out right lies is not evidence of weakness.
And as for your "glass houses" cliché, please show us where Mr. Sonnenfeld made any demonstrably false statements about Mrs. Fiorina, (particularly those where he wrongly claims she was engaged in criminal activity).
Even while its attacks on Mr. Sonnenfeld have been thoroughly discredited, the Fiorina camp arrogantly refuses to set the record straight, leaving it up to Mr. Sonnenfeld to protect his reputation. Good for him.
And as for your "glass houses" cliché, please show us where Mr. Sonnenfeld made any demonstrably false statements about Mrs. Fiorina, (particularly those where he wrongly claims she was engaged in criminal activity).
Even while its attacks on Mr. Sonnenfeld have been thoroughly discredited, the Fiorina camp arrogantly refuses to set the record straight, leaving it up to Mr. Sonnenfeld to protect his reputation. Good for him.
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I'm not sure what it is with this group of Republicans running for President, but it seems as if they have no other way to respond to an allegation than to attack the attacker personally. Of course, the main culprit in this is Donald Trump, but Fiorina is proving herself to be equally apt in this area.
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Dr. Sonnenfeld's criticism doesn't ring true to me.
Companies increase revenue through organic growth or acquisition. HP did both in spades under Fiorina. In a recession, cash flow is more important than net income. Fiorina quadrupled HP's cash flow. Companies like Amazon fund growth with their income and never show a profit. HP funded a tremendous amount of growth under Fiorina. They also led in all four product categories in which they competed. Dr. Sonnenfeld compares HP's performance to four NASDAQ competitors that had already been through the restructuring that Fiorina was hired to do at HP. The NASDAQ as a whole cratered and HP's stock trended along with it. These are all undisputed facts.
Boards recruit new CEO's privately so that there is no embarrassment should the candidate not accept the position. Consequently, there is no way Dr. Sonnenfeld could know whether she was offered other CEO positions. The fact that he makes that claim is quite incredible.
His use of hyperbole tips his hand that this is personal for him. His relationship to Bill Clinton should have been disclosed everywhere his article was ran and everywhere he was quoted. It's a clear conflict of interest. Yet it was not.
Corporate change is painful and difficult. The best change agents often do not ultimately lead the companies they turn around.
Companies increase revenue through organic growth or acquisition. HP did both in spades under Fiorina. In a recession, cash flow is more important than net income. Fiorina quadrupled HP's cash flow. Companies like Amazon fund growth with their income and never show a profit. HP funded a tremendous amount of growth under Fiorina. They also led in all four product categories in which they competed. Dr. Sonnenfeld compares HP's performance to four NASDAQ competitors that had already been through the restructuring that Fiorina was hired to do at HP. The NASDAQ as a whole cratered and HP's stock trended along with it. These are all undisputed facts.
Boards recruit new CEO's privately so that there is no embarrassment should the candidate not accept the position. Consequently, there is no way Dr. Sonnenfeld could know whether she was offered other CEO positions. The fact that he makes that claim is quite incredible.
His use of hyperbole tips his hand that this is personal for him. His relationship to Bill Clinton should have been disclosed everywhere his article was ran and everywhere he was quoted. It's a clear conflict of interest. Yet it was not.
Corporate change is painful and difficult. The best change agents often do not ultimately lead the companies they turn around.
Fiorina's attack on Sonnenfeld exemplifies a vindictive streak, and the video of "vandalism", hyped by Fiorina, is reminiscent of her attack on Planned Parenthood based on a doctored video pushed by anti-choice extremists. Lousy business record aside, is someone with these personality traits someone we wantt with a finger on the nuclear launch button?
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Carly Fiorina's tenure at HP was a godsend to HP's competitors. I was one at the time and couldn't believe how thoroughly she ran the company into the ground. When the HP BOD finally got rid of her, there was general sadness among the competitors that profited from her incompetence.
To think that she is the best female candidate that the republican party can put forward speaks volumes for the republican party.
To think that she is the best female candidate that the republican party can put forward speaks volumes for the republican party.
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Carly Fiorina's campaign is media driven because she is a female. Because she spoke up at the first "lesser" debate, she was promoted by the media to be a part of the second debate. Remember at the first "lesser" debate, there was no audience, so who but the media promoted her. At the second debate, she spoke as if she were reading stats off a power point presentation. Her credentials are the worse; accounting charades at Lucent and a HP-Compac merger from which HP has never recovered. She was given a golden payout to avoid legal ramifications. Is it her philosophy to merge world countries or layoff world leaders?
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Another example of Fiorina incompetence?
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Ones enough for me, although her tenure at Lucent is now coming under closer scrutiny. And I guess getting clobbered by Barbra Boxer was another shining example of managerial acumen.
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I think it is very curious and ironic that the Packard Foundation has been a very strong supporter of Planned Parenthood for years. Is Ms. Fiorina's attack on Planned Parenthood payback for her firing and bitter relationship with the HP founder's families? Otherwise her attack on the organization makes no sense. It is not like she is a born again Christian or deeply religious or has ever in the past expressed any objection to Planned Parenthood. All this reminds me of the "Silent Scream" fiasco that supposedly showed an ultrasound of a pregnancy and a shadowy image of what was described in dramatic narration as a screaming fetus. If Ms. Fiorina is so cynical that she would use such a sensitive matter to inflame the Republican base (in more ways than one) and gain their support, then she's unfit for any kind of political leadership. It just seems so unlikely that a woman of her education, career and liberal family background, would sincerely believe Planned Parenthood is some kind of ghoulish factory for stem cells. I have many good friends who graduated from Stanford and not a single one is anti-abortion or would attack Planned Parenthood for its work. The thought that this is just some campaign strategy for her really sickens me.
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The response from Fiorina's campaign reeks of a stereotypical cattiness typically seen in adolescent girls or some episode of Real Housewives. The immaturity displayed contradicts the image of a strong woman, and is instead puerile.
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For some reason Fiorina always reminds me of the high school assistant principal in charge of discipline.
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The former CEO of HP appears to be not only bad at her primary job, but also thin skinned and petty, with a sometimes orthogonal relationship to the truth.
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There were several ways she could have responded to Mr. Sonnenfeld that would not have been insulting to him, but would have scored some points with her supporters.
For example, she could have taken the tact that it's easy for those in academia to criticize, but when you are actually in the ring as a CEO, the decision making is much tougher than a theoretical academic exercise.
Instead, she took the high school route and tried to smear him with an old, half-true allegation.
Frankly, I'm disappointed in the lack of class and competency that the entire field of Republican candidates is exhibiting.
For example, she could have taken the tact that it's easy for those in academia to criticize, but when you are actually in the ring as a CEO, the decision making is much tougher than a theoretical academic exercise.
Instead, she took the high school route and tried to smear him with an old, half-true allegation.
Frankly, I'm disappointed in the lack of class and competency that the entire field of Republican candidates is exhibiting.
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Fiorina's deputy campaign manager responded with a few sentences to two 1400 word, insulting essays by Sonnenfeld. He looks like a buffoon. HP was in deep distress and she transformed it into the largest tech company in the world.
I wanted to like Carly. She got raves for her PP rant and then her memorization on the number of brigades she wants.
I. Just. Can't. Like. Her.
I remember being a big time HP customer during her tenure and dealing with help desks based overseas. My laptop caught fire when the fan quit. There was no response to customer complaints, just more offshoring.
She was John McCain's advisor in 2008.
She needs to stop whining about getting scrutiny. Greta Van Sustren is not getting Carly elected.
I. Just. Can't. Like. Her.
I remember being a big time HP customer during her tenure and dealing with help desks based overseas. My laptop caught fire when the fan quit. There was no response to customer complaints, just more offshoring.
She was John McCain's advisor in 2008.
She needs to stop whining about getting scrutiny. Greta Van Sustren is not getting Carly elected.
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She got raves for her PP rant and then the Fact Checkers debunked her story by pointing out the video she claimed to have see didn't exist. That kind of speaks poorly of her credibility, and now these adolescent responses? Most unbecoming.
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I watched the second debate and I thought Carly Fiorina was awfully rude, always butting in and demanding far more than her share of time to talk. What did she think the other candidates were there for?
The charges about her time at Lucent are worse than Hewlett Packare, in my opinion. They booked astronomical sales that were never going to happen in order to take bigger bonuses. Reminded me of the way the Veterans Administration was being mis-run to book bonuses. There was one small company with less than $2 million/yr in sales that (supposedly) was going to buy $2 billion of Lucent equipment. Lucent loaned a lot of money and the loans resulted in losses.
Of course, these are complicated for the news media to explain so they would rather talk about her "face." Thats too bad.
The charges about her time at Lucent are worse than Hewlett Packare, in my opinion. They booked astronomical sales that were never going to happen in order to take bigger bonuses. Reminded me of the way the Veterans Administration was being mis-run to book bonuses. There was one small company with less than $2 million/yr in sales that (supposedly) was going to buy $2 billion of Lucent equipment. Lucent loaned a lot of money and the loans resulted in losses.
Of course, these are complicated for the news media to explain so they would rather talk about her "face." Thats too bad.
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She has no people skills whatsoever. In office, she would make Nixon look like a choirboy. The toughest test of a corporate leader is what happened to the company after she left office. Need I say more?
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Emory has a history of falsely accusing people of scratching the walls of corridors. An earlier episode accused someone of dragging a key along the wall. It's bizarre--why that particular accusation? Perhaps they have too many people watching surveillance videos of corridors, looking for anything out of the ordinary, and interpreting ordinary wear and tear as vandalism.
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Carly's one of the most unqualified Presidential candidates in history. Not this year, or decade, but in history. She's apparently a media darling. And yet we're constantly told by this same media that women can't get an honest break in the workplace. Please.
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I can only speak to HP. Ann Livermore would have been CEO if Fiorina hadn't gotten the job. If Fiorina had never been born, there would have been a female CEO there.
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This woman really gets under my skin. Though she has absolutely no proven track record for being successful at anything, she continues to bombard and harass those that questions any of her "business experience". Her dismal performance at Lucent and HP is well documented by the media and business experts; she can spin and twist her side of the story any way she chooses hoping that people have either very short memory or everyone else outside of CA is too stupid and lazy to know better. Whatever the case may be, if I am hard pressed to find reasons to vote for this fast talking, power hungry ex-CEO who clearly lacks the skill set to lead a company, why in god's name should anyone place her in one of the most powerful position on earth especially when we're treading through a very complicated global and domestic environment?
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Carly jumped ship to HP just before her Lucent methods unraveled: They were fined $25M by the SEC for a billion-dollar accounting fraud and immediately had to fire 50,000 employees. This woman represents the worst of crony capitalism:
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/business/technology-lucent-fined-25-mi...
http://www.nytimes.com/2004/05/18/business/technology-lucent-fined-25-mi...
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And she looted HP for tens of millions in "severance".
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While her dad was a powerful law professor at Stanford, Carly was accepted into Stanford.
Her current husband was her boss at AT&T.
Yeah, she's a regular Horatio Alger.
Her current husband was her boss at AT&T.
Yeah, she's a regular Horatio Alger.
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Remind you of any other female candidates for Pres?
Fiorina took two leading tech companies down the drain, Lucent & HP; she sacked tens of thousands of employees, her shareholders all lost their shirts, she was fired and walked away with nearly $100M in total comp, and nobody has offered her a job in 11 years.
This woman is nothing but an Establishment tool being used by the Rove/Bush clan to take down Trump.
This woman is nothing but an Establishment tool being used by the Rove/Bush clan to take down Trump.
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Rush Limbaugh claims Ms. Fiorina is an "Establishment Club" puppet being pumped up to trip up and dispose of Trump, the anti-Establishment candidate. I don't agree with Mr. Limbaugh on much, but it's blatantly obvious that's exactly what she's being used for. All of this is to make sure the Establishment gets their two candidates: Bush & Clinton.
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Just wondering how someone becomes an expert on CEO performance when they have never actually been a CEO? Just sayin...
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By making a career as a business school professor specializing in executive performance. Just like your cancer doctor probably never had cancer himself.
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False analogy: A Cancer Doctor actually must have experience in treating cancer. "Performing Treatment" is what the Dr. is paid for.
Your good professor claims to know all about CEO-performance, but has ZERO experience performing the role he is pretending to rate ...!
Your good professor claims to know all about CEO-performance, but has ZERO experience performing the role he is pretending to rate ...!
The same way a doctor becomes an expert at ebola without actually getting the disease? Or the way Michael Phelps' coach becomes a great swimming coach without actually having been a swimmer?
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The problem with all the comments posted here is that they are from reasonable people who have bothered to familiarize themselves with the changes at HP while Fiorina was CEO. If only the electorate were as informed. Then we would have leadership that could solve problems, not what currently resides in Washington.
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We are pretty well informed about Fiorina in California. That's why she couldn't be elected dog catcher in this State.
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Indeed, she worked hard and tirelessly to accomplish something that I never thought possible in my lifetime - I voted for Barbara Boxer for Senator.
"After more than a decade of attacking Carly and misrepresenting her career, he didn't think we'd respond?" wrote a representative of the Fiorina campaign.
Um, yeah. Of course he thought the campaign would respond. He also figured that the response would be inept, and prove his point. Which it did.
Um, yeah. Of course he thought the campaign would respond. He also figured that the response would be inept, and prove his point. Which it did.
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Not only is Sonnenfield a bit player in the presidential campaign, but, as an associate dean, he appears to be a bit player at SOM. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, but why no print opinions of more credible academics?
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Being an "associate dean" doesn't make one less credible. The issue is the competency of his research, not his position in the school's management.
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Emory is kindof a joke school--uneven faculties, scandal prone professors, a surprising amount of deadwood, and plenty of gaming of iUS News' joke criteria for colleges. I'd do a happy dance if I was leaving there, too.
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Anyone who followed her tenure at HP is well aware that she destroyed a great company and a great culture with poor decision-making and reckless management. She was a megalomaniac from the start - casting her image as equal to the founders...but they were inventors and innovators and she was just a sales hack from Lucent...which later got into trouble with the Feds over shenanigans in the sales figures (this isn't brought up much, but at the time, it was a big deal).
Of course, the HP board has become notorious for poor hiring choices with a succession of duds (at least, until Meg Whitman came along). But Carly took a company that had become a bit stale and flat out broke it.
Sonnenfeld is right - lots and lots of writers, analysts and shareholders agree with his basic assessment. A lot of people thought the Compaq merger was a terrible move AT THE TIME and large blocks of HP shareholders were against it.
Think of it this way - while Carly was imploding the company with the Compaq merger, Apple was coming up with the iPod and laying the groundwork for a succession of innovative products and organic growth. Carly invented nothing, created nothing, built a senseless behemoth that is now being taken apart.
Of course, the HP board has become notorious for poor hiring choices with a succession of duds (at least, until Meg Whitman came along). But Carly took a company that had become a bit stale and flat out broke it.
Sonnenfeld is right - lots and lots of writers, analysts and shareholders agree with his basic assessment. A lot of people thought the Compaq merger was a terrible move AT THE TIME and large blocks of HP shareholders were against it.
Think of it this way - while Carly was imploding the company with the Compaq merger, Apple was coming up with the iPod and laying the groundwork for a succession of innovative products and organic growth. Carly invented nothing, created nothing, built a senseless behemoth that is now being taken apart.
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It's not real clear that Whitman has done a great job either as they are now laying off 30,000 employees.
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I think Ms. Whitman is still cleaning up for Ms. Fiorina. Ms. Whitman has what Ms. Fiorina doesn't have: a proven, successful track record building ebay into a major online destination. It looks very much like
Ms. Fiorina left HP in such bad shape any successor as CEO would have to be in damage control mode.
Ms. Fiorina left HP in such bad shape any successor as CEO would have to be in damage control mode.
Fiorina is acting in the best tradition of conservative politicians. Try to demonize anyone who questions your creds. Put the lie out there and the truth will never catch up.
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Carly is nothing but a thin-skinned, unprincipled, narcissist with a razor-sharp tongue and a chip on her shoulder the size of Kansas. That the GOP likes her speaks volumes about their understanding of leadership qualities. How weak they must feel. They are drawn to the biggest bully on the playground.
Right now, that contest is being played out between Carly and the Donald. Heaven help us if ever either of them wins the nomination, let alone the White House! Surprisingly to me, I would take Trump over Carly because he can apologize, even if unwillingly. I think she only doubles down. She is a scorpion with lipstick.
Right now, that contest is being played out between Carly and the Donald. Heaven help us if ever either of them wins the nomination, let alone the White House! Surprisingly to me, I would take Trump over Carly because he can apologize, even if unwillingly. I think she only doubles down. She is a scorpion with lipstick.
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Hillary Clinton fits a lot of your comments, too. It should make for a great debate.
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With that kind of juvenile response to being called out for untruths about Sonnenfeld, Sarah Isgur Flores seems to have been hired straight out of middle school. This does not reflect well on Fiorina, thought it is consistent with her campaign. I hope they're forced to issue a retraction.
Also looking mighty stupid and sophomoric? Emory! If this is hallowed academia, where thought leaders are made, it's no wonder the selection of political frontrunners is so disappointing.
Also looking mighty stupid and sophomoric? Emory! If this is hallowed academia, where thought leaders are made, it's no wonder the selection of political frontrunners is so disappointing.
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This explains why Emory Tuition is so high. I'll remember this when I write my last tuition check.
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So Sarah Palin could skin and field dress a moose. Big deal. Carly did that to a Fortune 500 company and got $21 million for her trouble. And I bet she can see all the jobs she sent to China from her backyard as well. Only chronic megalomania can explain why she thinks she can win the presidency when she lost in a landslide to Barbara Boxer, who jumped from the Marin County Board of Supervisors (think hot-tubs and peacock feathers) to the US Senate and who was probably the most vulnerable Democrat up for re-election that year. Of course being delusional is the minimum requirement for being part of the Trumplican circular firing squad. Must be positively exhilarating for President Xi of China to see how American democracy is vastly superior to his communist kleptocracy. In America corruption is obsolete. You can run a leading high tech company into the ground, get $21 million for your incompetence, and still run for the highest office in the land with growing public support. Amazing.
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Don't forget the infamous "Demon Sheep" ad Fiorina used to win the primary to be subsequently trounced by Barbara Boxer. Link: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=rKWlOxhSIKk
In it, she reveals herself a doctrinaire worshipper at the altar of Grover Norquist.
In it, she reveals herself a doctrinaire worshipper at the altar of Grover Norquist.
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She seems to share a the republican tendency to lie, which is how I refer to the act of making up stories to back up your point(s). That's right: lie.
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Are campaign spokespeople, like this Flores person, always so slimey?
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Fiorina was widely panned as the CEO of HP. no debate on that.
Mr Sonnenfeld is more interested in making a name for himself that adding any insight. and the Emory stuff is just plain weird. I might also add the Yale biz school is not exactly even a second tier biz school. Good university ... biz school not so much.
Mr Sonnenfeld is more interested in making a name for himself that adding any insight. and the Emory stuff is just plain weird. I might also add the Yale biz school is not exactly even a second tier biz school. Good university ... biz school not so much.
This guy, whose name I already forget, seems like a jerk. Oops. Better watch out. He might sue me.
Sue the harridan Jeffrey, sue.
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Full disclosure: I've been fired twice, at a reasonably high professional level, but somehow missed collecting a few million bucks from either event. However, I do know a handful of folks who have managed to become wealthy by bearding sensitive organizations, so I know it's possible. The ones I know, a small sample admittedly, are not nice people.
Is there a role model here?
Is there a role model here?
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The real lesson for me is we are not that different, and concentrating power or wealth is not only a very corrosive thing, but self reinforcing. And it destroys everything. Once that concentration reaches a critical point it can only be reversed using the French Revolution method. We passed that point about ten years ago. Me thinks.
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Sonnenfeld for President!!
We need people who are smart and willing to fight for the truth.
We need people who are smart and willing to fight for the truth.
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you are right.
Carly Fiorina is a disgrace. That she is even being considered a serious candidate by fellow citizens based on a debate performance speaks volumes about the Rs. She and her lying and distortion would likely be perfectly comfortable ... Where else? Fox. End of.
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Ms. Fiorino would do well to take up yoga, Buddhism, primal therapy. Anything to take the edge off.
Definitely want to keep her clear of nuke codes, Putin and Planned Parenthood.
Definitely want to keep her clear of nuke codes, Putin and Planned Parenthood.
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What is this person for and what is her vision for the country? She is against Planned Parenthood, a living wage, and peace. Well the number one thing she is for is herself and winning this great prize for her resume.
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Intolerant of dissent and resorts to personal attacks? Sounds like a Clintonite to me. Her arrogance is as shrill as Sonnenfeld's, just on the other side of ideological self-importance.
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Fiorina put Trump down when the rest couldn't deal with him. That made her look smart. Fiorina lied about Planned Parenthood, inventing a melodramatic scene that never took place. That made her look unprincipled. She was hired as CEO at Hewlett-Packard but her strategy of acquisition didn't work out. She takes no responsibility for that. Smart, not particularly truthful, and never wrong. Very unpromising.
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"Smart, not particularly truthful, and never wrong." Sounds like most people we elect as presidents.
No offense to her personally, but those 30,000 people she laid off had kids, spouses, parents to take care of, pets to keep, mortgages to pay, utilities to keep running, and food to buy. How terribly sad that she did not do a better job running the company.
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Gosh, I am a bit of a stranger to the halls of corporate power and academia.
So, vandalism? Kicking at the walls, resulting in dents and scratches, and, also on wood furnishings? Years of litigation by someone who had something to do with deanships of business schools?
I don't know, I just wish I could buy the really good duplexing HP printer that I had in about 1998.
Was Ms. Fiorina responsible for the decline or disappearance of quality HP products? The other guy with the hair and the smug expression?
These are folks who want to be POTUS? And are being reported as being taken seriously? Really?
So, vandalism? Kicking at the walls, resulting in dents and scratches, and, also on wood furnishings? Years of litigation by someone who had something to do with deanships of business schools?
I don't know, I just wish I could buy the really good duplexing HP printer that I had in about 1998.
Was Ms. Fiorina responsible for the decline or disappearance of quality HP products? The other guy with the hair and the smug expression?
These are folks who want to be POTUS? And are being reported as being taken seriously? Really?
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I have a difficult time imagining someone with such adolescent behavior being elected president of the US. Carly's snarky comments about opponent's hairdos, her lies, etc. show she is a third world candidate for a sorority president, but not the US.
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He complained that she “is intolerant of dissent and resorts to personal attacks.”
What is it he has been doing for years, if not attacking Fiorina personally? It's OK for him to, for years, smear a person by using terrible adjectives like, "you couldn't pick a worse, non-imprisoned C.E.O", "worst C.E.O" etc.
But when Fiorina says that he is a "Clintonite", he explodes.
He seems to be a bully that can't take any hits from others.
What is it he has been doing for years, if not attacking Fiorina personally? It's OK for him to, for years, smear a person by using terrible adjectives like, "you couldn't pick a worse, non-imprisoned C.E.O", "worst C.E.O" etc.
But when Fiorina says that he is a "Clintonite", he explodes.
He seems to be a bully that can't take any hits from others.
Well, on his defense, he's not trying to get the position of leader of the free world.
Sue.
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We all watched Fiorna make an impassioned and faux-principled speech about a Planned Parenthood video that turned out not to actually exist. That she lies without qualms is out there for anyone to see.
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I believe the writer of this piece may not specialize in covering the Republican contest for nationwide support, which is fine. But if he knew more about that contest, he would know that Carly Fiorina's false statements (or those of her spokeswoman) are entirely the norm in that contest.
Many of the Republicans in the active field are spreading lies on all sorts of topics. Climate science, vaccine side-effects, Islam, foreign relations under prior US Administrations, outcomes of health-care programs, outcomes of educational programs, the history of the national debt, treatment of darker-skinned people by police officers ... All these are fodder for outright false statements in speeches, debates, and interviews. It's pretty much dog-bites-man at this point.
I am not accusing every Republican candidate; I believe George Pataki and Lindsay Graham, for two, have stuck to the truth with some fidelity. But the higher poll numbers -- which Fiorina seeks, so that she is never again relegated to debating Pataki -- seem to be going to the candidates who can deviate most creatively from the truth.
When the Fiorina campaign was asked about Mr. Sonnenfeld, the staff had before it something that their rivals all seek: a new opportunity to make false statements before the other candidates are asked about the topic.
So the campaign did what Trump and Carson and Jeb! all do to get the TV appearances and the poll numbers: It put out misinformation. That's what Sarah Palin would do.
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I believe the writer of this piece may not specialize in covering the Republican contest for nationwide support, which is fine. But if he knew more about that contest, he would know that Carly Fiorina's false statements (or those of her spokeswoman) are entirely the norm in that contest.
Many of the Republicans in the active field are spreading lies on all sorts of topics. Climate science, vaccine side-effects, Islam, foreign relations under prior US Administrations, outcomes of health-care programs, outcomes of educational programs, the history of the national debt, treatment of darker-skinned people by police officers ... All these are fodder for outright false statements in speeches, debates, and interviews. It's pretty much dog-bites-man at this point.
I am not accusing every Republican candidate; I believe George Pataki and Lindsay Graham, for two, have stuck to the truth with some fidelity. But the higher poll numbers -- which Fiorina seeks, so that she is never again relegated to debating Pataki -- seem to be going to the candidates who can deviate most creatively from the truth.
When the Fiorina campaign was asked about Mr. Sonnenfeld, the staff had before it something that their rivals all seek: a new opportunity to make false statements before the other candidates are asked about the topic.
So the campaign did what Trump and Carson and Jeb! all do to get the TV appearances and the poll numbers: It put out misinformation. That's what Sarah Palin would do.
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The new Tea Party/Fox News/WSJ editorial conservative type Republicans have pulled the party away from constructively dealing with policy issues that need attention. The list of ignored issues is: infrastructure/highways, IT and cyber times, airlines, job training, climate change. Nothing is getting done in DC. Republicans can't govern, they prefer campaign rhetoric cheap talk.
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I was excited after hearing Fiorina supported organic farmers. My whole garden was ruined by neighboring farmers, who didn't follow the label instructions (a felony) for spraying Roundup (glyphosate) during a wind storm. She is the only candidate I've seen so far that would remotely consider enforcing that law.
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Because of your special interest in organic farming, you would vote for this charlatan? it's no wonder our country is going off the deep end.
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Seems to me your beef may be with the EPA. While that is essential to your livelihood, are there any other qualities that are important to you in a president? A president has to serve all the people. Voting on one issue may not get you all you want. I think Roundup should be banned, but it is not the only thing killing the environment - let alone the country.
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I would be a special interest voter for the first time in my life, James, if I knew a candidate would actually enforce the penalties for violating label instructions for pesticides/herbicides. But I know that's wishful thinking. And Nora, is the EPA you're talking about the same agency that dumped a million gallons of orange mine waste into a Colorado river.
Maybe Roundup should be banned. A more accurate name for millennials is Roundup babies. If either parent has been exposed to glyphosate within two years of their child's birth, that child has a 50 percent greater chance of getting brain cancer. Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and myeloma top the list of risk for those wishing to gain the 20 percent extra yield for planting GMO Roundup ready crops.
Other than making money in exchange for turning the soil from loose and loamy into a rock hard surface, where super immune weeds have evolved to overtake the land, the current government uses Roundup Ultra, a higher concentrated glyphosate, to spray cocaine fields and poor farmers heads in Columbia, where guess what? It drifted over into Peru and Ecuador onto their poor farmer's head. The governments down there finally put a stop to that after complaining about sudden high rates of cancer. The USA said they're lying--they just want to keep their cocaine (for themselves?).
Anyway up here, if farmers actually followed the label instructions, none of the controversies would be an immediate issue.
Maybe Roundup should be banned. A more accurate name for millennials is Roundup babies. If either parent has been exposed to glyphosate within two years of their child's birth, that child has a 50 percent greater chance of getting brain cancer. Non-Hodgkin's lymphoma and myeloma top the list of risk for those wishing to gain the 20 percent extra yield for planting GMO Roundup ready crops.
Other than making money in exchange for turning the soil from loose and loamy into a rock hard surface, where super immune weeds have evolved to overtake the land, the current government uses Roundup Ultra, a higher concentrated glyphosate, to spray cocaine fields and poor farmers heads in Columbia, where guess what? It drifted over into Peru and Ecuador onto their poor farmer's head. The governments down there finally put a stop to that after complaining about sudden high rates of cancer. The USA said they're lying--they just want to keep their cocaine (for themselves?).
Anyway up here, if farmers actually followed the label instructions, none of the controversies would be an immediate issue.
Wow, this gal makes Hillary look good! If she is this guarded (read paranoid) and defensive before she has even served a day in public office, she has no chance of being successful.
Grow a thicker skin, Ms. Fiorina. Learn to cultivate and display an introspective nature or forget about it.
Grow a thicker skin, Ms. Fiorina. Learn to cultivate and display an introspective nature or forget about it.
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I guess it's not permitted to strike back when you've been attack. This professor stricks me as a publicity hound and he got what he deserved.
It took an essay to tell the story about how he didn't kick the wall and act like a child. Another conclusion you could draw was that the university paid him to go away to avoid negative publicity. Happens all the time.
It took an essay to tell the story about how he didn't kick the wall and act like a child. Another conclusion you could draw was that the university paid him to go away to avoid negative publicity. Happens all the time.
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There is a difference between defending yourself with facts in an objective manner and "striking back" defensively without regard to facts. Carly was a terrible CEO. It would do her good to admit that she made mistakes and show that she has reflected on them and learned something, but that isn't happening. Please rethink the value of knee-jerk retaliation.
There is a difference between defending yourself with facts in an objective manner and "striking back" defensively without regard to facts. Carly was a terrible CEO. It would do her good to admit that she made mistakes and show that she has reflected on them and learned something, but that isn't happening. Please rethink the value of knee-jerk retaliation.
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We have all read numerous critiques of Fiorina's stint at HP, most of which are not very flattering. She was paid rather well by HP, $21M, to go away and lick her wounds but like Trump she loves the limelight and pretending that she is the center of the universe. I could enjoy the peeing contest that she is waging with the media and Trump if it weof the free world. That's scary.
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Since we are focusing here on Fiorina and Trump, leaving aside the fact that neither have the necessary experience to govern, leaving aside their history of business failure, leaving aside their utter lack of temperament for being chief executive of a country, they both have a complete lack of integrity, making them unfit to be President of the United States.
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In 2008, I sat in a Yale class taught by Prof. Sonnenfeld when it became clear how incredibly well connected he was with many CEOs. He was discussing a case study (Warner Cable Co.) he had developed while he was at Harvard and showed us a video of one of his Harvard classes. As the class debated the pros and cons of what Warner's CEO should have done, he looked up and beckoned to a stranger sitting in the class to join him at the podium. That person was the very CEO who was being debated and the class fell into a hushed silence, amazed.
Mr. Sonnenfeld is a master at cultivating relationships and networks with the chieftains of business. If he has sought to be critical of Fiorina, I am convinced it is because the criticism is valid.
Mr. Sonnenfeld is a master at cultivating relationships and networks with the chieftains of business. If he has sought to be critical of Fiorina, I am convinced it is because the criticism is valid.
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It's easy to reign in the classroom and pontificate about you would have done. It's more difficult to make the tough calls and live with the sequences.
Those that can do, those that can't teach.
Those that can do, those that can't teach.
Being chronically defensive is not an attribute you want in a leader for the reasons that Me Sonnenfeld cites in his essay along with the fact that one closes off crucial input if/when you surround yourself with "yes" people.
Not good for Fiorina
Not good for Fiorina
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Well, Fiorina's attack certainly supports the statement in Sonnenfeld's Politico article that she responds to criticism with personal attacks devoid of any sign of introspection.
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No doubt true....To be fair, Republican primaries change the whole calculus...up is down, black is white, Cleveland's won multiple professional sports championships over the last 51 years. It's just the way of that bizarro, and pathetic, world.
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I know a former Lucent employee from work. Fiorina is incompetent even if she's a woman.
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I know of a former HP Board director who voted to fire her and now regrets his decision and has concluded that Carly was right, capable and visionary. He purchased an ad in the Wall Street Journal to make his case. Google it.
Fiorina seems like the perfect VP candidate for Trump -- or vice versa. They both love to attack anyone who doesn't slobber with admiration for them rather than exchange in honest and respectful debate. Quite a nasty pair...
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Lets see, W couldn't take criticism, lead an administration that lied constantly, and never admitted to mistakes, either. He was an MBA as are both Carly and Trump. H-m-m, I don't think the training for business executive makes for presidential material. It is too much about me, me, me, their own bottom line, and unprincipled behavior.
I will stick with the very principled behavior of Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren any day.
I will stick with the very principled behavior of Bernie Sanders or Elizabeth Warren any day.
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Her debate performance indicates she is smarter than Trump. However, it is clear she operates with a loose affiliation for the truth: Planned Parenthood, VA and now this.
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Smarter or just more vicious? Should we confuse the two?
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Trump is far smarter, at least he says one or two things that are true -puppets beholden to thier donors, taxing the hedge fund masters and generally agreed with universal healthcare. He also says in publich what others say in private.
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It is obvious that Mrs. Fiorina does not have a friendly nor truthful persona that is incapable of gracefully accepting criticism and inspiring voters to support her candidacy. Her previous career/candidate failures are prolog of her campaign stalling and decent into defeat.
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Carly Failurina vs Donald Trump is simply Business Failure vs Business Success. Why would any donor choose to place their bets in her corner?
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Business success? Even ignoring the multiple bankruptcies, you define taking a substantial inheritance and getting a return on it well under what a simple S&P index fund investment would have done as business success?
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Is there anything this hateful woman won't lie about in order to draw attention to herself? She really is a piece of work. Just about every fabrication has been proven false by fact checkers and yet she persists.
I guess she figures the fact she can use the correct forms of nouns and verbs in complete sentences makes her a great candidate. Too bad the veracity of her content doesn't match her syntax.
I guess she figures the fact she can use the correct forms of nouns and verbs in complete sentences makes her a great candidate. Too bad the veracity of her content doesn't match her syntax.
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Plus the personal warmth slightly less than Mount Rushmore.
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This attack is more than a black mark.
This campaign manager made reckless, untrue and vindictive comments about a citizen. When interviewed by the press, what does she say? "... he didn't think we would respond? I guess he's not ready for the arena after all."
The comments "we would respond" and "the arena" makes clear that to her campaigning for the highest office in the land is about squashing criticism and combat, more than being transparent so Americans will pick the best leader.
Carly Fiorina obviously chose this campaign manager to represent her. Even if she repudiates the comments and fires her campaign manager, we still must worry that if she attains high political office she would pick other aides prone to attacking and falsely accusing Americans.
This campaign manager made reckless, untrue and vindictive comments about a citizen. When interviewed by the press, what does she say? "... he didn't think we would respond? I guess he's not ready for the arena after all."
The comments "we would respond" and "the arena" makes clear that to her campaigning for the highest office in the land is about squashing criticism and combat, more than being transparent so Americans will pick the best leader.
Carly Fiorina obviously chose this campaign manager to represent her. Even if she repudiates the comments and fires her campaign manager, we still must worry that if she attains high political office she would pick other aides prone to attacking and falsely accusing Americans.
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Did you miss the fact that she is a republican?
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Something she has in common with Governor Christie. Perhaps they will form a ticket together!
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