Talk about trying to make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
And ending up with more of a tattered, rotten piece of pork rind.
And ending up with more of a tattered, rotten piece of pork rind.
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Carly Fiorina is a carnival barker just like Trump. She has lied consistently and called Hillary Clinton a liar, repeatedly. During her failed California senate campaign she commented repeatedly on Barbara Boxer's looks. Oh, and Marco Rubio is an idiot. Only in right wing fantasy world do these two idiots rise to the level of presidential candidates.
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Occupy GOP?
Do my eyes deceive me?
"Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie are best positioned to occupy that space".
It just gets curiouser and curiouser.
Someone tell David Brooks that Elvis has left the building. There is no more GOP from the days of his, well, last election cycle.
Every cycle has gotten nuttier and nuttier. On some level, its only fitting that Donald J. Trump should now be crowned "king" of this festival of fools.
And it really did all start with Reagan the obscure. When a manifestly unqualified person proved the constitutional rubric that absolutely anyone can become president.
Until there are 3 or 4 candidates in the race, Donald J. Trump is unbeatable in a GOP primary, anywhere in the country.
That's a whole lot of clowns to scramble out of that stretch limo GOP clown-car before then.
Do my eyes deceive me?
"Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie are best positioned to occupy that space".
It just gets curiouser and curiouser.
Someone tell David Brooks that Elvis has left the building. There is no more GOP from the days of his, well, last election cycle.
Every cycle has gotten nuttier and nuttier. On some level, its only fitting that Donald J. Trump should now be crowned "king" of this festival of fools.
And it really did all start with Reagan the obscure. When a manifestly unqualified person proved the constitutional rubric that absolutely anyone can become president.
Until there are 3 or 4 candidates in the race, Donald J. Trump is unbeatable in a GOP primary, anywhere in the country.
That's a whole lot of clowns to scramble out of that stretch limo GOP clown-car before then.
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Fiorina can't start at the top of the ticket, says the white Republican guy. Because of her performance at HP, even though Romney was the king of outsourcing and was in the process of shutting down yet another plant and moving jobs to China right in the middle of the election. Never mind that Rubio is a know-nothing whose own state wouldn't vote for him again. Never mind that he has his own sugar daddy standing in the wings, telling him what to do.
But this is why neither Ben Carson (another nutty lightweight) nor Carly Fiorina (who is as misogynist as the rest of the GOP guys) will ever be at the top of the ticket. Minority--don't want another black in the White House, and woman--she belongs in a subservient role, making less money, doing a job that's not much more than ceremonial.
Sorry, Mr. Brooks, but your anachronistic Republicanism is showing.
But this is why neither Ben Carson (another nutty lightweight) nor Carly Fiorina (who is as misogynist as the rest of the GOP guys) will ever be at the top of the ticket. Minority--don't want another black in the White House, and woman--she belongs in a subservient role, making less money, doing a job that's not much more than ceremonial.
Sorry, Mr. Brooks, but your anachronistic Republicanism is showing.
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Rubio sounds like he is reciting a high school soliloquy when he recites policy. His policy explanations are much more scripted than they are in depth and personal. He all but admitted at the debate that he is not running for re-election because "America has problems, and that's why he's running for President", yet feels for some reason that he no longer has a day job. If he feels so strongly that he should be President, he should resign from the Senate and campaign full time. At the very least, the people of Florida deserve two full-time Senators.
He also has an incredible ability to ask and answer his own questions. The media are either too dumb to realize this or are falling in love with him the way they did with Obama circa 2007.
He also has an incredible ability to ask and answer his own questions. The media are either too dumb to realize this or are falling in love with him the way they did with Obama circa 2007.
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Who would believe anyone in DC anymore? These Republicans are all liars and hypocrites just like Hilary Clinton. They all say that they will balance the budget (this is a must if this nation is to survive but that is another story) but each one of them precedes with commitments to increase federal spending on military and national security while at the same time reducing taxes on the rich. Those of us who are CPAs cannot understand where and how every one of them uses the basic numbers most of us learned how to properly use in the first and second grade but they do and they continue to get away with lying to the American voters, those who are the real problem when it comes to American politics.
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Spare all of us the gimmickry and hype, David. These people have no solutions and really nothing new to offer -- nothing. Just the failed policies of the past.
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Who can bomb the most countries? Who can push abortions back to clothes hanger days the fastest? Who can accelerate global warming the best? Just flip a coin, doesn't matter much if it is Trump, Rubio or Fiorina.
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Rubio/Fiorina might be the weakest ticket in history. How GOP is somehow letting rise of Fiorina is beyond me considering her only accomplishments are essentially the worst example of corporate leadership in last 20 years. Best part is its not just fact that she sent HP down a path it hasn't recovered from, is that amount of people she negatively affected at Lucent and HP is significant and my assumption is you will start hearing from them shortly and loudly.
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If by edgier you mean more unhinged and prone to lying, then yes you are correct. You say edgier like it is a good thing. It isn't.
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And Fiorina also has a genius for creating "non-facts," aka lies.
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Ah yes, Rubio the fuming war mongering climate change denier. And Carly who literally doesn't have a single truth come out of her mouth at any given moment and who is great at getting fired and driving successful comapnies into the ground. Yeah those are great alternatives.
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Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio were the front-runner winners of the Republican debate. They stood out as presidential material and were self-assured and knew how to discuss the issues Americans are most concerned about. Ms. Fiorina came across as a bit harsh at times but she certainly gave Donald Trump a run for the money. With time and practice, she can become a bit softer no doubt. She is a bright woman. In fairness to Ms. Farina, Hilary Clinton can be a bit overpowering at times.
It is unfortunate that some of the candidates did not get more air time to state their positions. They had to fight and cut in to be heard above some of the others. I do think that all were impressive and with additional debates and fewer candidates, Americans will be able to evaluate and make educated choices.
I think they all are capable of winning the Republican nomination. I do think that Donald Trump is less likely to have a chance at the nomination once his real position on the issues are revealed. He is too abrasive and cocky for the majority of Americans. They were for the most part very impressive and they get my vote.
It is unfortunate that some of the candidates did not get more air time to state their positions. They had to fight and cut in to be heard above some of the others. I do think that all were impressive and with additional debates and fewer candidates, Americans will be able to evaluate and make educated choices.
I think they all are capable of winning the Republican nomination. I do think that Donald Trump is less likely to have a chance at the nomination once his real position on the issues are revealed. He is too abrasive and cocky for the majority of Americans. They were for the most part very impressive and they get my vote.
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It is difficult to believe the line-up. Their world is one in which up is down, the jury is out on science, who needs history, wait until they get into the White House…they'll be some changes. It sounds like the North Korean playbook(including the crazy hair). I only hope the electorate isn't as stupid and preposterous as they are,,but I wouldn't bet on it.
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One thing about this current crop of GOP presidential hopefuls, being a lifelong Democrat for five decades, I've never been so richly entertained by this assortment of candidates.
The entire Republican race so far has been rife with a vast array of one-liners, insults, punch lines, one would think they were at a Friars Club Roast, or considering the season, summering in the Catskills circa 1962, and privy to the very best comics working the Borscht Belt Circuit. The GOP clown car has presented their vast audience, especially thanks to the performance of The Great One, Mister Humble, The Donald, a comic who'd put the original MR. Humble, Don Rickles, in his place, with an array of summer guffaws and shear hilarity unmatched in my lifetime.
I can't wait till the Fall Season, when they bring their show to Broadway. The cast the GOP has assembled this time around has gotten smash hit, boffo box office written all over it.
DD
Manhattan
The entire Republican race so far has been rife with a vast array of one-liners, insults, punch lines, one would think they were at a Friars Club Roast, or considering the season, summering in the Catskills circa 1962, and privy to the very best comics working the Borscht Belt Circuit. The GOP clown car has presented their vast audience, especially thanks to the performance of The Great One, Mister Humble, The Donald, a comic who'd put the original MR. Humble, Don Rickles, in his place, with an array of summer guffaws and shear hilarity unmatched in my lifetime.
I can't wait till the Fall Season, when they bring their show to Broadway. The cast the GOP has assembled this time around has gotten smash hit, boffo box office written all over it.
DD
Manhattan
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It's interesting to note how the Republicans railed about Obama's lack of experience. Now they are all for someone with no experience working in government. Business acumen doesn't necessarily translate into government management abilities. There's no profit motive in government. You cannot fire someone you disagree with. In government there is always a long line of people anxious to tell you you're doing it wrong. There are a gagillion people lining up to push their agendas, whether they are good for the country or not. You can't always negotiate your way through difficult questions. You have to deal with more life or death situations and have to take the heat if complicated situations don't work out as you had planned. There's no room for error no matter how important/unimportant an issue is. It just ain't the same thing!
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David Brooks. Watch a Power Ball drawing. That box of numbered ping pong balls swirling around in a lot of turbulent air more closely resembles the GOP nominating process. Who comes out on top at this point is more dependent on which way the hot turbulent air is blowing at the moment. There is no strategy and there is no method; just chaos and disorganization. The GOP has nothing coherent and meaningful around which they can organize. They have spent too long being "anti" everything.
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People have been telling me that (rightwing) Republicans are haters while Democrats are sunny and cheerful people. I am confused by the comments, especially those highly recommended by readers, here to what seems to me a culturally rich and beautifully written reaction to one debate.
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Once again Brooks shows us his very selective observations. To ignore Fiorina's outright lies regarding Planned Parenthood is shameless. To characterize her tenure at HP in the lame way that he has done is his lie.
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It's wacky when some "hunk" who sat behind the moderator gets millions of hits on social media. As for Rubio, being articulate isn't everything. His meteoric rise in politics was due, in most part, to the mentorship and support of Jeb Bush. So much for loyalty. Truth also counts and for years Rubio presented himself as the child of immigrants who fled the tyranny of Castro's Cuba when, in fact, they immigrated here two years before Castro took
power. As for Carly. delivered the great lines but why didn't any corporation offer her a position after the HW debacle? And ask some New Jersey residents what they think of Christie. Biggest news: the "hunk" was eventually identified as the son of a California billionaire.
power. As for Carly. delivered the great lines but why didn't any corporation offer her a position after the HW debacle? And ask some New Jersey residents what they think of Christie. Biggest news: the "hunk" was eventually identified as the son of a California billionaire.
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Clearly not an option. She's an executive failure; he's a chauvinistic demagogue.
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If you think Rubio is "uncorrupted" you need to check his record in the Florida House, where he charged his personal living expenses on a Republican credit card and allowed a house he owned go into foreclosure. Young, yes, uncorrupted, no.
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Delusional as always, David. Delusional as always. A Rubio/Fiorina presidency would be disastrous for the country. For that matter, any of the current occupants of the Republican clown car would be disastrous for the country. Perhaps you and your friend Bill Kristol should get together and see who can be the most delusional and incorrect about the current political situation.
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If today's Republicans had any common sense at all, they would nominate John Kasich who is far and away the most capable, experienced and articulate candidate on their bus. Happily for the Democrats, don't and they won't. Instead, with Rubio and Fiorina as the GOP's standard bearers, Hillary could campaign from a rocker on her front porch and win in a landslide.
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I am surprised that David Brooks (who I usually count as sensible) has fallen for Carly Fiorina. Where's the substance and accomplishment? Why fall for insanely dubious claims about her business record? See Krugman's column today, but also:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/05/08/carly-fio...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/fact-checker/wp/2015/05/08/carly-fio...
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I agree with Mr. Brooks. Mr. Trump is displaying a lack of command of the issues and can't seem to articulate one single comprehensive policy thought. Those who support and favor Trump, believe that he will be a tough negotiator and get what he wants. He will take no "bull" from the Russians, Chinese, Iranians, etc, (and many believe the US is getting the short end of the stick) and will secure our border.
Have we forgotten that it's critical to secure our borders because if we don't , why wouldn't terrorists with a "dirty bomb" enter the US, if they haven't already? As things are today, it isn't a question of "if" but "when." All Americans, regardless of affiliation, should want a 100% secured border, if only for that reason. Mr. Trump promises a secured border, and that appeals to many because it is one of his priorities. Frankly, Americans don't care how he will do it or how much it is going to cost-- just get it done. Many believe that Trump has the will to do it.
Trump is not a Republican nor a Democrat. He is a builder. His vision is that the U.S. is respected and number one in everything we do: The best airports, the tallest buildings, the best infrastructures. This vision of "greatness" appeals to many, and why not? The US is the greatest country in history, and many of us have forgotten that. So who cares if Trump can't find Syria on the map? or distinguish between Kuds or Kurds? He will be briefed. No President makes a decision without advice.
Have we forgotten that it's critical to secure our borders because if we don't , why wouldn't terrorists with a "dirty bomb" enter the US, if they haven't already? As things are today, it isn't a question of "if" but "when." All Americans, regardless of affiliation, should want a 100% secured border, if only for that reason. Mr. Trump promises a secured border, and that appeals to many because it is one of his priorities. Frankly, Americans don't care how he will do it or how much it is going to cost-- just get it done. Many believe that Trump has the will to do it.
Trump is not a Republican nor a Democrat. He is a builder. His vision is that the U.S. is respected and number one in everything we do: The best airports, the tallest buildings, the best infrastructures. This vision of "greatness" appeals to many, and why not? The US is the greatest country in history, and many of us have forgotten that. So who cares if Trump can't find Syria on the map? or distinguish between Kuds or Kurds? He will be briefed. No President makes a decision without advice.
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"So far, Fiorina has looked like the most impressive candidate."
If you overlook the whole lying about the Planned Parenthood videos thing. And the disastrous business record thing. And the bellicose militarism bragging she wouldn't even talk to Putin thing.
But other than that, most impressive.
If you overlook the whole lying about the Planned Parenthood videos thing. And the disastrous business record thing. And the bellicose militarism bragging she wouldn't even talk to Putin thing.
But other than that, most impressive.
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Too bad even Fiorina's and Rubio's actual policy statements are completely crackers. Fiorina invented a video of a fetus with beating heart on an operating table; that is some serious mental illness right there, or else a jaw-dropping example of cynicism. Rubio won't allow abortion in cases of rape or incest. So, sorry, Dave - the ENTIRE Republican field is objectively insane and awful.
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Ms. Fiorina's remark about the difficulty in naming an accomplishment of Ms. Clinton reminded me that President Eisenhower said it would take him at least a week to name one for his VP....of course that VP became President Nixon and here with are with the current crop of Republicans who can't even match that legacy.
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The election should be who has the best ideas; Not the biggest donors.
I don’t think any of those on stage
should be anywhere near the oval office. We need change; Fresh ideas;
Money out of Politics. Go Bernie.
I don’t think any of those on stage
should be anywhere near the oval office. We need change; Fresh ideas;
Money out of Politics. Go Bernie.
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I suppose that's an option. A losing one but an option. Both Chris Christie and Carly Fiorina will wilt once the nation gets a closer look. The current crop of contenders may satisfy a moment in the Republican world but they are galaxys away from the rest of America.
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Rubio knows nothing about foreign policy. He's very simplistic, has no experience and no knowledge.
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Bernie Sanders would mop the floor with any of those losers.
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Why don't you give John Kasich more than a passing mention? You and your Times buddies, I think, may be afraid that too much exposure will hurt Clinton's chances in the general election.
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"So far, Fiorina has looked like the most impressive candidate."
Really? Is this the same woman who said she wouldn't talk to Putin, but would instead build up the Sixth Fleet and the missile program in Poland? And then what?
There are times when Brooks is hard to defend, when he lapses into being, in his own words, 'a narcissistic blowhard'.
Really? Is this the same woman who said she wouldn't talk to Putin, but would instead build up the Sixth Fleet and the missile program in Poland? And then what?
There are times when Brooks is hard to defend, when he lapses into being, in his own words, 'a narcissistic blowhard'.
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Interesting analysis, Mr. Brooks. You make a pretty good case up until the last paragraph.
Although Christie is somewhat of an 'outsider' - moreso than Cruz or Bush or even Kasich - he's unelectable. Forget about his RINO credentials --He has far too much dirt that's attached to him to make him viable. The republican part isn't about to nominate someone who has 5 close associates going to jail for the Port Authority shenanigans. (no, they aren't there yet, but they will be)
You may be right about Rubio and Fiorina as the power for the 2016 elections. My view is that Fiorina would be the better leader - successful or not, she ran a big corporation. Rubio has no experience in governing or managing anything
Although Christie is somewhat of an 'outsider' - moreso than Cruz or Bush or even Kasich - he's unelectable. Forget about his RINO credentials --He has far too much dirt that's attached to him to make him viable. The republican part isn't about to nominate someone who has 5 close associates going to jail for the Port Authority shenanigans. (no, they aren't there yet, but they will be)
You may be right about Rubio and Fiorina as the power for the 2016 elections. My view is that Fiorina would be the better leader - successful or not, she ran a big corporation. Rubio has no experience in governing or managing anything
Some real gems in this one. Gave me a good laugh.
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Fiorina is glib in the way corporate types learn to be to "talk the talk," but everything she's touched -- HP, her Senate campaign in California -- has turned to lead, not gold. Pity us if she is allowed to put that reverse Midas touch to the US. And Rubio? The man has caudillo written all over his face, he already has the corrupt rich friends to get him in the White House...I mean on that white horse.
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I missed the first 30 minutes of the debate. Did I miss the brilliant Rubio in those 30 minutes? My impression of him is that he is a light-weight. He seems to have only the most superficial grasp of the issues. Definitely, he has gotten better over the last four years, but he is still the Quayle of the set. In comparison, Carly has run a major corporation. Yes, she made mistake with Compaq, but has Rubio ever had that level of responsibility?
I'm ok with conservative. What I am not OK with is a leader with a Hollywood understanding of the issues who will stand on the deck of the ship and declare victory as the ship of state sinks.
If there were a joint ticket, it should be Carly-Rubio, but I doubt that she would want him on her ticket. She's too smart for that.
I'm ok with conservative. What I am not OK with is a leader with a Hollywood understanding of the issues who will stand on the deck of the ship and declare victory as the ship of state sinks.
If there were a joint ticket, it should be Carly-Rubio, but I doubt that she would want him on her ticket. She's too smart for that.
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Rubio is an idiot and a puppet.
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Keep being brave, David. Let it blind you to your total denial of what's really happening in your party. Read Krugman across the page for that.
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The Marco Rubio-Carly Fiorina Option would be terrible for this country. We deserve better.
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It doesn't matter what the Republicans do or who they run for office. Their base is made up of people like the Trump "supporter" who told Jorge Ramos to "Get out of my country" based on what Mr. Ramos looks like and sounds like, which is no way to spot a citizen in the U.S.
These people are on their last gasp and the Republicans will not win another general election until they let these people form the white separatist party they really want.
These people are on their last gasp and the Republicans will not win another general election until they let these people form the white separatist party they really want.
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These are very nice thoughts, but off base, Fiorina is not going anywhere and not just because of the horror she caused at HP, but because of her many bizarre ideas, . Rubio has one foot in the ultra-conservative camp and another in the conservative camp, no moderate he, Chris Christie is a disaster and has in 6 years has turned NJ into an economic disaster...
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"If you want to stump a Republican, ask them to name an accomplishment of Ms. Fiorina's."
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Mr Brooks believes that Senator Rubio -- who rejects action on climate change with little regard for the danger of this and despite the defense of special interests such a position implies -- is a tenable president for the US.
Ms. Fiorino, his other choice, defames Planned Parenthood, as Paul Krugman explains today. She has, to say the least, a cavalier attitude to the truth; and her claims about her career are debatable.
If that is the best the Republican party can offer, it is a sad day for America.
Because the Democrats are also at sea. Mr Sanders is terrific but too far left. Mrs Clinton has overreached, perhaps fatally.
Politicians have played hard and fast with the US political system for quite some time, subjecting it to their whims, prejudices and especially interests. And now the chickens are coming home to roost: for now the political system itself has become the problem, whereas its function is to solve the problems.
The American system is the worst system except for all the others (except perhaps parliamentary democracy). It has fallen on hard times because public opinion is not educated and active. So that is where the work to mend the system must begin.
The New York Times pays a significant role in this; but never lower your guard. So possibly Mr Brooks, so prominent at the paper, needs to examine his conscience. Before being a Republican or a person with sympathy for the right, he must be a citizen and the bearer of truth.
(Oh, you will never publish this!).
Ms. Fiorino, his other choice, defames Planned Parenthood, as Paul Krugman explains today. She has, to say the least, a cavalier attitude to the truth; and her claims about her career are debatable.
If that is the best the Republican party can offer, it is a sad day for America.
Because the Democrats are also at sea. Mr Sanders is terrific but too far left. Mrs Clinton has overreached, perhaps fatally.
Politicians have played hard and fast with the US political system for quite some time, subjecting it to their whims, prejudices and especially interests. And now the chickens are coming home to roost: for now the political system itself has become the problem, whereas its function is to solve the problems.
The American system is the worst system except for all the others (except perhaps parliamentary democracy). It has fallen on hard times because public opinion is not educated and active. So that is where the work to mend the system must begin.
The New York Times pays a significant role in this; but never lower your guard. So possibly Mr Brooks, so prominent at the paper, needs to examine his conscience. Before being a Republican or a person with sympathy for the right, he must be a citizen and the bearer of truth.
(Oh, you will never publish this!).
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David Brooks has no problem with Carly Fiorina being one of the most likely eventual winners of the Republican steel cage scrum. She certainly has a facility for delivering sound bites that are more than one sentence long (that often make fact-checkers roll their eyes) and showing more knowledge about names in the sphere of foreign affairs than the Donald. Wow! On the other hand, her proposals to deal with Putin by "rebuilding the Sixth Fleet" and conducting aggressive military maneuvers in the Baltic states makes the Donald's more measured mutterings look Bismarckian in comparison. The Sixth Fleet already dwarfs Russian naval power in the Mediterranean and baiting the Russian bear on the sidewalk of his front yard are non-sequiturs. So pardon me, Mr. Brooks, if I'm not reassured by the GOP's supposedly returning to sanity by turning to Carly Fiorina.
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There's a global trend toward short attention spans and shallow theatrics. Especially with the rise of social media (Facebook, YouTube, Instagram) social discourse has been reduced to sensationalism, the shorter and more outrageous the better.
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Well, David, this crowd certainly didn't mind the authority of the Supreme Court when it installed George W. Election-thief. Can they spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-s-y? Actually, maybe not.
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In their preference for outsider candidates, Republicans have seemed adolescent for decades. Reagan was embraced because he presented himself as an anti-government Washington outsider. His successor, the ultimate resident insider, was held at a distance. Dole, another long-serving insider, was welcomed, but probably because he, like Reagan, personified “establishmentarian” GOP attitudes. Both though were defeated by Clinton, a youthful liberal outsider with his own adolescent characteristics.
Then came GW Bush, the outsider frat-boy candidate, arrogant and adolescent, nominated twice in spite of blatant incompetence and spectacular first-term failures. The GOP’s inner adolescent was on display big time. McCain, another model insider, was a repackaged Dole-style candidate; both were old physically as well as in attitude. Yet with McCain, GOP adolescents got to be heard loud and clear with their support of Palin, a transgendered version of Bush. Lastly, there was Romney, the archetype fall-in-line Republican, who nonetheless had no Washington service and possessed a curiously hard to define adolescent aura. Although in many ways, such as intelligence, he outshone recent GOP nominees, he was only nominated grudgingly.
The recent campaigns are clear evidence that the GOP veers alright and that its adolescent voices have not become hoarse. They may not have always wanted “outrageous,” but they have certainly sought outsiders. With Trump they get both.
Then came GW Bush, the outsider frat-boy candidate, arrogant and adolescent, nominated twice in spite of blatant incompetence and spectacular first-term failures. The GOP’s inner adolescent was on display big time. McCain, another model insider, was a repackaged Dole-style candidate; both were old physically as well as in attitude. Yet with McCain, GOP adolescents got to be heard loud and clear with their support of Palin, a transgendered version of Bush. Lastly, there was Romney, the archetype fall-in-line Republican, who nonetheless had no Washington service and possessed a curiously hard to define adolescent aura. Although in many ways, such as intelligence, he outshone recent GOP nominees, he was only nominated grudgingly.
The recent campaigns are clear evidence that the GOP veers alright and that its adolescent voices have not become hoarse. They may not have always wanted “outrageous,” but they have certainly sought outsiders. With Trump they get both.
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Rubio is "uncorrupted"? Seriously? He's basically a career politician funded by a billionaire developer. He is totally beholden to that largesse, and to the .1%. I don't know I keep looking at Brooks' columns - he is no longer an intelligent observer from the right, if he ever was.
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Mr. Brooks writes" "Democrats have historically liked presidential nominees they can go gaga for, even if they lack experience: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy."
Ah, yes, the republicans always pick candidates with literally bushel baskets full of experience, like Palin, with whom republicans, especially the men and even Mr. Brooks, were irrationally besotted. Bill Clinton had as much experience as W, or Saint Ronald, Kennedy as much or more than Nixon.
As for the current bunch, if Brooks listened to his inner conscience, none of them is presidential material by any measure. If by chance Rubio has something in his skull, he cancels it with his snotty dismissal of climate change. And Fiorina has shown by how easily she lies about Planned Parenthood that she will stoop to lying about anything. Just saying something loud and clear, and I suppose, for some in the audience, refreshingly grammatically correct, doesn't make her lies any truer. Any more than Trump repeating his emptinesses makes them any more meaningful. That Fiorina simply bested the blowhard isn't qualification to lead the nation.
Ah, yes, the republicans always pick candidates with literally bushel baskets full of experience, like Palin, with whom republicans, especially the men and even Mr. Brooks, were irrationally besotted. Bill Clinton had as much experience as W, or Saint Ronald, Kennedy as much or more than Nixon.
As for the current bunch, if Brooks listened to his inner conscience, none of them is presidential material by any measure. If by chance Rubio has something in his skull, he cancels it with his snotty dismissal of climate change. And Fiorina has shown by how easily she lies about Planned Parenthood that she will stoop to lying about anything. Just saying something loud and clear, and I suppose, for some in the audience, refreshingly grammatically correct, doesn't make her lies any truer. Any more than Trump repeating his emptinesses makes them any more meaningful. That Fiorina simply bested the blowhard isn't qualification to lead the nation.
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what about gomer pyle and the wicked witch of the west?
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Rubio owes his career to a billionaire sugar daddy. Is that what Brooks calls uncorrupted?
Rubio's credit history is so bad he wouldn't be able to get security clearance to work as a bank teller and he certainly couldn't get security clearance at anything involving the military. Not exactly someone we'd want dealing with the fed or national security.
Rubio's credit history is so bad he wouldn't be able to get security clearance to work as a bank teller and he certainly couldn't get security clearance at anything involving the military. Not exactly someone we'd want dealing with the fed or national security.
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You and other commentators will extol the virtue of anyone except Donny boy. Face it Donny is saying many things people are thinking but will only say around the dinner table. Look Donny can't govern but neither could Bush 2... Chaney did all the grunt work. So what! Bottom line, competence has nothing to do with being elected or ability to rule..., if it did then we would have geniuses at every level of government but not just isolated to the SCOTUS. Donny has a role which you all seem to miss. He is a rabble rouser, he is embarrassing the other candidates forcing them to say things they don't want to vocalize and thus demonstrate their incompetence and stupidity. Donny can talk to the camera and laugh, the others are too scripted and stiff extolling old platitudes or republican dogma. Understand Hillary is no better nor is Bernie, however, if the republicans want my vote then get me a Rockefeller middle of the road, fiscally conservative, socially liberal candidate the has brass to stand up to the spenders and wall street and the nasty banks and bribery. Plus the moxie to fix the tax system without insulting all Americans with the religious social dogma that does not apply to most of us but rallies the far right evangelical wing of the party. Otherwise many of us will be force....FORCED to vote for Hillary or some other democratic left wing schloob against our will.
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So Fiorina is the best candidate, leaving aside the fact she is completely unqualified? And Rubio (an uncorrupted genius), and Christie (the entirely corruptible GWBush- and Bruce Springsteen worshiper) are in the mix?
That Brooks always find ways to support absolutely any Republican over absolutely anyone the Democrats put forward -- simply for party loyalty -- signifies a complete lack of intellectual honesty.
My guess is Rubio or Bush and Kasich (Florida and Ohio after all) but it's a moot point. If everyone who could vote did, the GOP would be a tiny minority in government.
That Brooks always find ways to support absolutely any Republican over absolutely anyone the Democrats put forward -- simply for party loyalty -- signifies a complete lack of intellectual honesty.
My guess is Rubio or Bush and Kasich (Florida and Ohio after all) but it's a moot point. If everyone who could vote did, the GOP would be a tiny minority in government.
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Maybe Carly Fiorina has "a genius for creating signature moments," but her
most dramatic moment during the debate shows that she has no problem with
making up stories when she feels they'll serve her cause. Check out Stephanie Armour's story in the Wall Street Journal: "At Debate, Carly Fiorina Described Scenes Not in Abortion Video."
Not Presidential material. Not worthy of a place on anybody's
debate stage, or any form of public office for that matter.
most dramatic moment during the debate shows that she has no problem with
making up stories when she feels they'll serve her cause. Check out Stephanie Armour's story in the Wall Street Journal: "At Debate, Carly Fiorina Described Scenes Not in Abortion Video."
Not Presidential material. Not worthy of a place on anybody's
debate stage, or any form of public office for that matter.
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"Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted" seriously? He seems pretty "corrupted" by his own biases when I listen to him. Well you are right about Fiorina having " a genius for creating signature moments." Destroying HP and Compaq were "signature" moments all right. Do we want that kind of "signature" in our country? CA said no when they had the opportunity to elect her as senator.
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Mr. Brooks writes (in his ante-pre-antepenultimate paragraph) that the Republican party "will probably end up with some hybrid candidate — sharp of tongue, gifted in self-expression and yet still anchored in the world of reality." I certainly don't know where the party will "end up" in its 2016 nominating process, but as Times columnists Egan and Krugman, and one of today's Times editorials make clear, none of the party's current candidates is anchored in reality. They are all at sea in a fantasy land (oxymoron intended) where tax cuts for the rich raise revenue to the benefit of the middle class, where abstinence is effective birth control for adolescents, where Planned Parenthood sells fetal body parts at an auction house, and its currently leading candidate is not insulting to women. (The failed to sell the rape-does-not-cause-preganacy idea several years ago, or they might be peddling that one too.) Even if the Republican party drops anchor, but they will still be in their sea of fantasy.
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David, why don't you run? We can put you at the top of the ticket today.
Christie is good at eating on a boardwalk & insulting residents of his state. But he can't even handle a bicycle (NJ) do we really want him anywhere near the family car? Rubio looks like he is from central casting & is reading from a script.
Fiorina is the wicked witch of the west. Yikes, this is the best you have to offer?
If Republicans can't even admit the globe is warmer & ice caps are melting before they drain the earth of every drop of fossil fuel, how can they lead on anything. BTW - they could at least pivot to the fact that the planet is significantly over-populated mostly by people they would never want in their party.
Christie is good at eating on a boardwalk & insulting residents of his state. But he can't even handle a bicycle (NJ) do we really want him anywhere near the family car? Rubio looks like he is from central casting & is reading from a script.
Fiorina is the wicked witch of the west. Yikes, this is the best you have to offer?
If Republicans can't even admit the globe is warmer & ice caps are melting before they drain the earth of every drop of fossil fuel, how can they lead on anything. BTW - they could at least pivot to the fact that the planet is significantly over-populated mostly by people they would never want in their party.
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At this point the only reasonable candidate with plenty of legislative and executive experience and no luggage (family ties, gaffes, etc) to speak of is Kasich. OK he inflated his role in balancing the budget in the 90's (he just voted along party lines) but overall the guy seems competent, reasonable and probably capable of crossing the aisle on important matters. Since he's a centrist, people like myself who are fed up with the Clintons and Bushes might actually vote for him if he was the GOP contender. I'm still wondering why the base prefers the spectacular and/or unproven over the safe...
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Oh, David, I know how horrified that you and other, more genteel Republicans must be at the ascendance of Trump and other such crazies. Unfortunately, however, Fiorina, Rubio, and Christie don't stand a snowball's chance in the netherworld of becoming the nominee. The rabid residents of Teabagistan, who seem to represent the most influential cohort of Republicans these days, have no use for them. Wishful thinking, my friend.
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"genius at relating policy depth..." for a guy who asked us to forget about intellect but just hit back when we were hit? I was surprised that Ben Carson talked about a smart solution (rather than just all muscle, sounding like Thomas Friedman for a moment) in the face of Islamic terrorism, and of all people, Rubio dissing it. I think, Brooks, grasping at straw for a viable Republican, is grasping on air.
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Thank God for Bernie, Hillary, and Joe Biden. Any one of these three will trounce any in the Republican field.
GOP = an utter embarrassment before the world. Where is the shame?
The United States of Dumb
GOP = an utter embarrassment before the world. Where is the shame?
The United States of Dumb
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Republicans think women are stupid. Their alternative to Hillary is any woman, like Palin, like Fiorina, as if all we care about is anatomy. Fiorina won't negotiate with our enemies, wants military solutions, has to be meaner than all the men to prove her competence. I care far more about a candidate's positions than gender, and Ms. Fiorina scares me. Good thing she hasn't the snowball's chance.
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This is a calm, reasonable look at the debate. Good piece.
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Rubio and Fiorina, two colossal liars, Rubio's claim that his family fled Cuba to escape Castro, fact the Rubio's left Cuba years before Castro came into power. Fiorina is a serial liar, on the Bill Maher show she told a whopper, discussing California economic recovery she claimed California had the highest poverty pf all the states, completely false, by chance a major newspaper a few days layer published a map showing the poverty rates in the states, the states with the highest poverty rates were in the bible belt, red states, California, not even close.
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Lindsey Graham and John Kasich have great experience, accomplishments, folksy charm and understand the political process. They are both more conservative than the average American, but have personal appeal.
Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina are both articulate; however their positions are extremely conservative.
Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum are both right wing extremists, who are incapable of working with others, including their own party. Shutting down the government is Cruz's favorite pastime.
Paul's libertarian positions won't appeal to most Americans, but his consistent position opposing military intervention is refreshing.
Scott Walker makes idiotic suggestions like building a wall on our Canadian border.
Carson and Paul should have strongly disavowed Trump's belief that vaccines cause autism. They both punted on answering this simply.
All of them have positions on women's health and planned parenthood that is truly frightening. Christie has been pandering to the social conservatives, but at least he did it in an articulate manner.
Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina are both articulate; however their positions are extremely conservative.
Ted Cruz and Rick Santorum are both right wing extremists, who are incapable of working with others, including their own party. Shutting down the government is Cruz's favorite pastime.
Paul's libertarian positions won't appeal to most Americans, but his consistent position opposing military intervention is refreshing.
Scott Walker makes idiotic suggestions like building a wall on our Canadian border.
Carson and Paul should have strongly disavowed Trump's belief that vaccines cause autism. They both punted on answering this simply.
All of them have positions on women's health and planned parenthood that is truly frightening. Christie has been pandering to the social conservatives, but at least he did it in an articulate manner.
Brooks is not known for his sense of humor, but touting Chris Christie for his space-occupying skills was worthy of Mark Twain, or at least Dave Barry.
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Please, please run this ticket, Republicans.
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Voters forget that Carly Fiorina didn't move to a state where she could win the Senate race. She stayed in California and ran against a favorite incumbent. It's quite impressive, really, that in a state with 28% Republican voters, she earned 42.2% of the vote against Barbara Boxer.
Brooks is pretending that grading the Republican field on a curve makes some of them look sane. That's ridiculous. Rubio is a climate-change denier, Fiorina an abjectly failed businesswoman who lies about Planned Parenthood and wants to use the military to threaten Russia. The idea that they're not as crazy as Trump doesn't make them either sane or competent. In the Republican party, Mr. Brooks, reason has left the building. Wake up.
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Completely agree David.
Im not voting republican, but I think the best option for them to be competitive is Kasich - Rubio. That ensures Ohio votes, take the upper ground in Florida, diminishes the landslide of democrats in latino voters, and the moderate positions gives a chance of winning independents. It's like Romney-Paul but adding to the math competitive home states and a latino candidate in a year with no reelections.
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Come on, David! Take off the blinders! Read Krugman's column! Fiorina is a liar, Rubio an intellectual midget. You're a smart guy, David, and a person with a real moral conscience. Deep down you know all this. Would you please do us the courtesy to take off the rose-colored glasses and tell us what you really think?
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You can pair them up however you want, but none of the Republican candidates for President are qualified.
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Ummm... Chris Christie? You have got to be kidding. Bully-in-Chief in the White House? Calls teachers idiots but can't run his own state government effectively. Privatizes the New Jersey lottery into such a lousy position that it can't pay off the payouts? Brooks is showing his own inner adolescent and self-denial of reality! Oy.
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Rubio "young and thus uncorrupted." The guy can't live within his means and had to get handouts from a millionaire sugar daddy. He's going to run the country? Carley Fiorina ran Hewlett Packard Into the ground, so let's give her a shot at running the U.S. David Brooks is too smart not to see the Republican presidential wannabes for what they are -- a collection of ambitious clowns. Or maybe he isn't as smart as I thought he was.
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Give it up, Mr. Brooks. Come on over to the Democrats.
Rubio, Fiorina and Christie won't save the GOP.
Rubio can't manage his own personal money, Fiorina is beyond a mean girl and she tells abominable lies (about Planned Parenthood, for example), and Christie will be lucky if he doesn't end up in jail.
Rubio, Fiorina and Christie won't save the GOP.
Rubio can't manage his own personal money, Fiorina is beyond a mean girl and she tells abominable lies (about Planned Parenthood, for example), and Christie will be lucky if he doesn't end up in jail.
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If Rubio, Fiorna, Christie options are the best of the GOP that you can come up with, then you know how ridiculous the GOP has become. Rubio - uncorrupted and with the most of foreign affairs' knowledge? Fiorna of the fired CEO of Hewlett-Packard fame - something to overlook? Chris Christie - Governor of a state downgraded several times, not to forget Bridgegate? If these are the best, I shudder to think of the better. The Republicans have become not a bunch of raucous adolescents but a bedlam of crying kindergartners. Not that the WASP reticence you talk about favorably is a good thing either. All it does is hide behind polite words while doing undue harm to the 99%, fooling them into believing these lies are good for them. Sorry Mr Brooks, even your ultimate poetic prose cannot convince us about the reasonableness of the GOP. They are beyond any spin.
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Seriously it is way past time that people like Brooks, smart and informed explain why they go along with the stinks to high heaven Republican Party in the roll of apologists and some weird twilight zone three card monty explainer?
Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina are going to sink out of sight so fast no one will be talking about them outside of a few Times columnist. Face it Brooks neither one has or is going to attract big money. Your best bet is to work on resurrecting Bush and company but that will take a lot as the Bush group has so far proved to be utterly incompetent. Failing to anticipate the most obvious questions that could have been handily parried. And what is with that Bruni column on Rubio listed for over six months now? Is someone trying to get Bruni's goat? Because we will not be hearing a lot more from Mr. motor mouth Marco ignoramus no matter how hard the press works to keep him in the game.
FRANK BRUNI
You Will Be Hearing a Lot More About Marco Rubio
March 11, 2015, 10:20 AM
Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina are going to sink out of sight so fast no one will be talking about them outside of a few Times columnist. Face it Brooks neither one has or is going to attract big money. Your best bet is to work on resurrecting Bush and company but that will take a lot as the Bush group has so far proved to be utterly incompetent. Failing to anticipate the most obvious questions that could have been handily parried. And what is with that Bruni column on Rubio listed for over six months now? Is someone trying to get Bruni's goat? Because we will not be hearing a lot more from Mr. motor mouth Marco ignoramus no matter how hard the press works to keep him in the game.
FRANK BRUNI
You Will Be Hearing a Lot More About Marco Rubio
March 11, 2015, 10:20 AM
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David, please stop writing about the GOP. It brings out the worst in you, while most of you is good and decent. It is as if when you talk about these GOP bozos, you throw a switch and you throw away your intelligence.
None of these people have any decent policies. If you think Rubio is impressive you are dreaming. As far as Fiorina goes, we know all about her here in CAL. She is a nasty piece of work, a serial failure as a CEO in the tech sector, where nobody will touch her. In regard to policies, they are way to the right of even Trump, who is not really serious (he is not stupid, just nasty). Fiorina's positions on just health care and Planned Parenthood, her over all nasty indignation, should make you stop.
David - just be honest - this is not you.
None of these people have any decent policies. If you think Rubio is impressive you are dreaming. As far as Fiorina goes, we know all about her here in CAL. She is a nasty piece of work, a serial failure as a CEO in the tech sector, where nobody will touch her. In regard to policies, they are way to the right of even Trump, who is not really serious (he is not stupid, just nasty). Fiorina's positions on just health care and Planned Parenthood, her over all nasty indignation, should make you stop.
David - just be honest - this is not you.
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If Democrats going gaga gave us Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy, that's a pretty good record. Fiorina may have promise. Rubio, however, is hardly young and uncorrupted. He has a long political history in Florida, and can be counted on to do what's best for Marco Rubio.
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Mr. Brooks, each of the candidates displayed to the world their own brand of crazy thought. No, they also displayed shared crazy thoughts.
Cara Carleton Fiorina can't give HER signature accomplishment at Hewlett-Packard.
As for Mr. Rubio, he has repeatedly let his ideas and voice drowned out by others in his political life. He is no astronaut but can do technical work at Kennedy Space Center.
I was looking for maturity and wisdom but found neither in this crowd.
Republican electorate might be tired of the dysfunction in Washington that was actually created by the people they elected and sent to the congress. Like the plague victims of yore, they know they are sick but don't know what ails them or how to get well,
Cara Carleton Fiorina can't give HER signature accomplishment at Hewlett-Packard.
As for Mr. Rubio, he has repeatedly let his ideas and voice drowned out by others in his political life. He is no astronaut but can do technical work at Kennedy Space Center.
I was looking for maturity and wisdom but found neither in this crowd.
Republican electorate might be tired of the dysfunction in Washington that was actually created by the people they elected and sent to the congress. Like the plague victims of yore, they know they are sick but don't know what ails them or how to get well,
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David, you missed your chance. Steve Colbert has moved on.
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David you are trolling here...there is no one on the Republican side that has the stature or the intellect ...and as much as the Repubs tell themselves you can elect someone who is not smart or can deal with complex issues....yes you do...Kasich may have it but he is not acceptable to the base in your party.
the Bridgegate trial has not occurred yet so Christie is gone....Fiorina ran against Boxer and got stomped and Rubio is not be trusted on foreign policy (too willing to send troops)...try again.
the Bridgegate trial has not occurred yet so Christie is gone....Fiorina ran against Boxer and got stomped and Rubio is not be trusted on foreign policy (too willing to send troops)...try again.
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Right on about Carly Fiorina. She might come up with zingers on Hillary, but her record at Hewlett Packard where she was a disaster will provide enough fodder for her opponents.
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Hey David -- Coulter/O'Reilly 2016. "What say you?"
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Seriously? Was this column written by David Brooks or Mel Brooks?
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You mean the same Carly that lied through her teeth about a video that didn't exist?
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“The socially insecure rise and applaud as he insults the people they’d never have the guts to take on themselves.”
Mr. Brooks, you should have said “socially insecure and generally ignorant rise and applaud…”. If you feel this frustrated about the “A-team” of your party, imagine how much more frustrating and SCARY it is for the rest of us? All 15 candidates combined don’t have the understanding of issues or intellect that Mr. Sanders has. Do yourself a favor and vote for him.
Mr. Brooks, you should have said “socially insecure and generally ignorant rise and applaud…”. If you feel this frustrated about the “A-team” of your party, imagine how much more frustrating and SCARY it is for the rest of us? All 15 candidates combined don’t have the understanding of issues or intellect that Mr. Sanders has. Do yourself a favor and vote for him.
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Hey, David! Why won't any of the Republicans address climate change? Why are they all anti-science?
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"But her spotty record at Hewlett-Packard probably means she can’t start at the top of the ticket."
"Spotty?" C'mon, David. She fell flat on her face and hasn't been offered a job since.
"Spotty?" C'mon, David. She fell flat on her face and hasn't been offered a job since.
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Carly Fiorina made #19 on CNBC's worst American CEOs.
http://www.cnbc.com/2009/04/30/Portfolios-Worst-American-CEOs-of-All-Tim...
http://www.cnbc.com/2009/04/30/Portfolios-Worst-American-CEOs-of-All-Tim...
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Both Rubio and Fiorina, especially Fiorina, came off
as slightly unhinged.
as slightly unhinged.
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I'm so looking forward to Chris Christy, a vindictive copy of Nixon without the acuity. Yeah, that's what we need.
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My goodness, David. Have you really chosen to overlook the liberal ignoring of facts and truth in what Fiorina and Christie said? If these two, along with Rubio, are the standard-bearers, then we have a very dark period approaching in Republican politics, with no bridge in sight (not that we would be allowed to use such a bridge in an administration of which Christie was a part...).
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David Brooks has been a cheer leader for this party and has praised it from day one. Yet his praise has usually been muted by that I mean he tries to seem to be open minded so his support is oblique, the hidden hand. Well now that the incubation has finally hatched and released the crazies he and the rest that helped promote this party can rest on their laurels. The mad scientists have not produced one Frankenstein but a whole brood. The right wing republican party has painted itself into a corner and now its adoring supporters will not let them right the ship. What a three hour debate if one dares to call it that. One spewing mess of nutty thoughts after another. On day one when I am President I will tear up, wreck, destroy, well take your choice. They will not talk to the other super powers leaders, not even give them a good lunch. Oh David you and your ilk have been the mid-wives to this brood. Mothers of the year awards to you all.
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David the Republican party went off the rails some time ago. They have been throwing a temper tantrum ever since Obama was elected president the first time. They have no plans and no goals other than to dismantle the very government that they so desperately want to run. They mostly walk around angry, spouting half truths or outright fabrications, fold their ams and say "no" to just about everything. They aren't a party anymore, just a group of self absorbed spoiled brats. They need to step aside and let the adults take over and I would not out put either Rubio or Fiorina in that category.
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Reading David Brooks is becoming increasingly painful!
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sorry david - the GOP has already lost it's mind. why else would the party faithful believe anything at all that was said on weds. night?
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To read today Brooks' column after Krugman is not move from one moral universe to its opposite. Such an absolute difference between serious and knowledgeable pundits reflects a cultural schizophrenia, a nation divided. How long American democracy can endure such a cultural schizophrenia without serious deformation is the most urgent question.
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As usual, Mr Brooks, you jest. Methinks Mr Rubio would have a great deal of "splaining" to do regarding his personal finances; and Ms Fiorina unfamiliarity with the truth would be a handicap.
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Mr. Brooks you really are reaching here. The black hole that is now the Republican Party limits any light from shining and illuminating reason. You may believe that Fiorina, Rubio and Christie are adults but on closer look they too fail to be elevated by responsible, well voiced views.
Ms. Fiorina destroyed her rational persona by staking a claim of Planned Parenthood that echoes the worst that has been said of the organization to date. She patently lied and thus placed herself in the "dangerous" category of untruthful, not be trusted.
Rubio has waffled frequently and stands on the wrong side of immigration reform, particularly given his personal heritage. He is a lightweight, made more substantive in appearance by appearing with overt fools.
Mr. Christie, alas, is the street-child of New Jersey. Combative, nasty, and yet child-like in his need to be loved. His awkward hugging of the Kraft family, sneaking into the fringe of the love-fest at the Super Bowl, was very telling.
Sorry, none of your choices pass muster, whether "old time" or neo-republican, in appearance.
Ms. Fiorina destroyed her rational persona by staking a claim of Planned Parenthood that echoes the worst that has been said of the organization to date. She patently lied and thus placed herself in the "dangerous" category of untruthful, not be trusted.
Rubio has waffled frequently and stands on the wrong side of immigration reform, particularly given his personal heritage. He is a lightweight, made more substantive in appearance by appearing with overt fools.
Mr. Christie, alas, is the street-child of New Jersey. Combative, nasty, and yet child-like in his need to be loved. His awkward hugging of the Kraft family, sneaking into the fringe of the love-fest at the Super Bowl, was very telling.
Sorry, none of your choices pass muster, whether "old time" or neo-republican, in appearance.
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"The others, like Lindsey Graham, John Kasich and Jeb Bush, live within the confines of reality."
You mean the "reality" where president Jeb! delivers 4% annual GDP growth by sheer force of personality?
You mean the "reality" where president Jeb! delivers 4% annual GDP growth by sheer force of personality?
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Is this what passes for political analysis? File this under wishful thinking. The only energy coming from the GOP base is the Trump wing. And you completely gloss over the new Republican paradigm: voters no longer believe in mindlessly cutting taxes on the rich, the Iraq invasion was a mistake, the War on Drugs is a failure, the country won't support re-sending troops to the Middle East, and that climate change is real but doing something about it would cost the donor class too much money.
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Mr. Brooks lost me when he said Jeb! and his colleagues live within the confines of reality. Those who describe George W. Bush as "keeping us safe" and once again propose the long-dismissed voodoo economics are far from reality. Most of the current problems in the middle east (a large part of the debate discussion) are a direct result of W's policies and warmongering. Candidates who claim we are a Christian nation have no understanding of our history or legal system. Those who propose even more war as the solution for our problems are about as loony and dangerous as Dick Cheney. Describing a woman who almost single-handedly destroyed one of America's greatest technology companies as a viable leader of the free world is insanity. Telling a bold face lie about Planned Parenthood simply proves that she has no moral character whatsoever. Considering the obese bully from NJ as a possible candidate for President is something nobody in the Tri-State Area will accept. It seems that Mr. Brooks is the one who has lost his bearings and connection to reality. Rubio is too much of an unknown, so I must give Mr. Brooks a pass, but Mr. Rubio certainly does not present as Presidential material at this moment. All in all, this is a group who has not visited the real world of working Americans in a very long time.
The only candidate who is accurately describing the real problems of most working Americans and is proposing realistic solutions: Bernie Sanders.
The only candidate who is accurately describing the real problems of most working Americans and is proposing realistic solutions: Bernie Sanders.
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So, regardless of policy or truth, the presentation is the measure of success?
Fiorina was absolutely egregious in some of her whoppers no matter how poised her presentation (and her wonderful handling of the bully Trump). And Rubio has some issues, and I'll never trust him after his immigration waffling. Enough with ideological nonsense. I think, Mr. Brooks, you are slipping on the analysis.
My take on the debates:
Kasich was the only one who didn't sound like a nut; so I'm sure the Republicans will reject him.
And CNN was terrible in their moderation.
Fiorina was absolutely egregious in some of her whoppers no matter how poised her presentation (and her wonderful handling of the bully Trump). And Rubio has some issues, and I'll never trust him after his immigration waffling. Enough with ideological nonsense. I think, Mr. Brooks, you are slipping on the analysis.
My take on the debates:
Kasich was the only one who didn't sound like a nut; so I'm sure the Republicans will reject him.
And CNN was terrible in their moderation.
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The NYT Editorial Board discerned from the GOP Presidential Debate that after peeling "back the boasting and insults, the lies and exaggerations common to any presidential campaign, what remains is a collection of assertions so untrue, so bizarre, ..." that they form a surreal vision. If this is true and accurate, how can any pairing of these Republican candidates be an option?
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Not one word about what these candidates believe, what their policy proposals are? Being against Planned Parenthood isn't a significant policy issue. Stop following the horserace, David, and analyze what these people believe. If you do, you'll be forced to say that, except for Rand Paul, they all believe the same crazy things - Paul wants a few different crazy things. None of them seems to understand reality, which explains why they continue to accept the failed trickle down economics. Everyone of them would be a disaster for our country and the world. How has a major political party been totally taken over by wackos? How sad to have no alternative except Democrats.
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Personally i will not vote for Fiorina or Rubio. Fiorina is famous for her outstanding abilities of manager. Most her colleagues and subordinates said they will never work with her again. The former staffer of higher level stated that "I`d rather go to Iraq than work for Carly Fiorina again." HP lost significant share of the market when Fiorina was CEO.
Rubio has repeatedly changed his position on environmental policy of our government. He is absolutely inconsistent using the rhetoric about global warming. Many times Rubio used his voting and non-profit foundations for private purposes: traveling and expensive purchases.
Rubio has repeatedly changed his position on environmental policy of our government. He is absolutely inconsistent using the rhetoric about global warming. Many times Rubio used his voting and non-profit foundations for private purposes: traveling and expensive purchases.
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Interesting analysis. Rubio's war hawkism is frightening, though.
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So Obama, Clinton, and Kennedy lacked experience? Really? Since two of them were US senators and one was a governor, what kind of experience are you talking about?
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Carly Fiorina is Sarah Palin lite. She says that women should vote for her because she is a woman even though she is opposed to virtually any policies or programs that are beneficial to other women. If she feels Trump is demeaning to women, she considers them to be fools.
And Rubio's "genius" at foreign policy makes him absolutely oppose recognition of Cuba because he says it is an undemocratic, repressive regimes but has no problem with our not only have diplomatic relations with China but also it being one of our largest trading partners even though it is just as undemocratic and repressive. His reason: China is too big not to deal with.
And despite Mr. Brooks and many others trying to paint Donald Trump as crazy man, in fact, his positions are no crazier than those of the other Republican candidates and many of his such as support of progressive income tax are far saner than those many of his opponents are proposing.
The Republican Party should be embarrassed that in a year it would have real shot at the White House, it has such a poor line-up of candidates. Of course, it's not surprising as the party has long ago given up doing anything other than opposing Barak Obama. Not one of the candidates has offered anything close to real solutions to the problems most middle and lower class Americans face other than that oldy but goody that everything will be fine if you cut taxes to the wealthiest and deregulate business.
And Rubio's "genius" at foreign policy makes him absolutely oppose recognition of Cuba because he says it is an undemocratic, repressive regimes but has no problem with our not only have diplomatic relations with China but also it being one of our largest trading partners even though it is just as undemocratic and repressive. His reason: China is too big not to deal with.
And despite Mr. Brooks and many others trying to paint Donald Trump as crazy man, in fact, his positions are no crazier than those of the other Republican candidates and many of his such as support of progressive income tax are far saner than those many of his opponents are proposing.
The Republican Party should be embarrassed that in a year it would have real shot at the White House, it has such a poor line-up of candidates. Of course, it's not surprising as the party has long ago given up doing anything other than opposing Barak Obama. Not one of the candidates has offered anything close to real solutions to the problems most middle and lower class Americans face other than that oldy but goody that everything will be fine if you cut taxes to the wealthiest and deregulate business.
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David, as the self-styled adult Republican in the room, aren't you a little troubled by Fiorina's rabid comments on foreign policy (not to mention Planned Parenthood and her willful ignorance that the video was doctored). If Fiorina becomes President, the first country she bites into is going to need a rabies shot.
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Must have missed this. Kasich-Fiorina an excellent team. Unless, of course, Bernie Sanders gets the nod. Hands down, it's Bernie.
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Once again, Mr Brooks offers wishful thinking under the cloak of analysis. But data do not support Mr. Brooks' argument. Data support Donald Trump's path to the GOP nomination. Numbers don't lie. Pundits lie about numbers. What most Republicans witnessed this past Wednesday was Donald Trump NOT losing. Which for the front runner is typically considered a victory. Was Ms. Fiorina's performance impressive. Sure it was insofar as eloquence "Trumps" facts, which I thought was the very thing that Mr. Brooks was rightfully condemning in this piece. Simply put, there is no candidate in either party who matches President Obama's rare combination of intellect, reflection, maturity, wisdom, and an understanding of the world as it is, i.e., realism.
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The fact that David Brooks even considers Fiorina as acceptable material for president says is all about him and most Republicans these days Carly Fiorina is a destructive individual. Her social persona is that of someone who seems on some level mentally ill. The contrast between what she does and says is so bizarre it is sickening.
This, along with Brooks recent writing about "hipsters" in New York shows how utterly out of touch with American reality he is. Like Reagan using Bruce Srpringsteen's "Born In The USA" as a campaign song. Like Carly Fiorina herself, he does not even know what he is talking about.
This, along with Brooks recent writing about "hipsters" in New York shows how utterly out of touch with American reality he is. Like Reagan using Bruce Srpringsteen's "Born In The USA" as a campaign song. Like Carly Fiorina herself, he does not even know what he is talking about.
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Excuse me, but are you claiming that Reagan and Romney had more experience than Clinton and Kennedy? I don't think so.
Also, Carly Fiorina's comment about Hillary Clinton's lack of accomplishments is ludicrous. Please tell me one accomplishment Ms. Fiorina has achieved in her adult life. Please!
Also, Carly Fiorina's comment about Hillary Clinton's lack of accomplishments is ludicrous. Please tell me one accomplishment Ms. Fiorina has achieved in her adult life. Please!
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David, please explain to all of us how to square the following: During the last debate, she states she would unilaterally cut off all banking relations with Iran unless they immediately accede to her demands to alter the current agreement in ways the will NEVER agree to. Her words: "We will make it as difficult as possible and move money around the global financial system. We can do that, we don't need anyone's cooperation to do it. " Fiorina is always cited for her business experience. As anyone with a knowledge of the economics knows, we absolutely / positively do need the cooperation of other major economic systems for that to be effective. And we will not get it. I respect the sincerity you provide in your columns, but believe you have lost your bearings, as you are a thoughtful conservative. Trump is going to bear through this and will eventually take the popular prize; whether your party elders and statesmen allow a formal anointing remains to be seen. I also wish you would stop allowing your gravitas and reminiscence for a return to an establishment republican party to continue coloring your selections. I am an independent. I am abhorred that you could possibly give credence to Carly Fiorina. It is obvious to me that you select her because she is just the "lesser of so many evils. " I was a shareholder in HP and Lucent during her reigns, and she deserves to be cast out of all public domain for her actions.
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Rubio kept wiping his brow amid funny expressions and water gulping. He's a kid. Fiorino is nuts. Seriously, we are going to roll the clock back and hit the high seas again and gear up troops? Weird. Not to mention she was an awful CEO. I wouldn't trust her with my 401K. The only one I would possibly vote for is Christie who appears to be making a comeback. Nevertheless, we all need health insurance so, sigh, I will vote Democratic again. I agree none of those candidates on the stage were viable. The Republic party is too fragmented to annoint anyone electable.
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It's kind of sad that the vague hope that Rubio won't turn out to be a monster is what makes him the most attractive real candidate. If Fiorina brings the same intelligence and foresight to bear on being President that she did in her corporate career, we are truly finished. The Journal is lauding her for not playing the gender card. I agree. She's just as unqualified to be President as any of the men running.
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David, David, David. Fiorina and Rubio? Fiorina is someone with great stage presence and no substance. She outright lies, distorts, and blathers on and on to make an "oxygen grab," taking time and attention away from others. Because she is a woman and tough we are to suppose she also has substance. She would leave us in worst shape than HB. Rubio has rhetorical skills but speaks with such alarmist doomsday exaggeration that it's a miracle any of us can get out of bed in the morning.
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My take on the options:
1. Trump is nominated and wins - God help us
2. Trump is nominated and loses - best of all possible worlds
3. Non-Trump is nominated and wins - darn
3. Non-Trump is nominated and loses - the looneys completely take over the GOP (we told you moderation wouldn't work!) and we are all doomed in 2020.
I vote for option 2 but what a gamble!
1. Trump is nominated and wins - God help us
2. Trump is nominated and loses - best of all possible worlds
3. Non-Trump is nominated and wins - darn
3. Non-Trump is nominated and loses - the looneys completely take over the GOP (we told you moderation wouldn't work!) and we are all doomed in 2020.
I vote for option 2 but what a gamble!
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When the Tea Party was surging and newcomers were entering congress, I wondered how long it would be before some realized what a sweet gig they had and would get in line. And many of them did (obviously not Cruz). That's led to a greater fracturing of the party along the already existing fiscal/cultural Republican line. I'm not a partisan and hoping Jindal is right and their party will split. It would hurt them now (and is too late for this time) but I would hope in 4 years a moderate 3d party could attract enough Dems to form a party I might actually like - neither a prisoner of identity politics or of religious zealotry, neither hopelessly libertarian or unrealistically socialist - someone who understands national security but also the futility of nation building.
Maybe I should just keep dreaming. But the closest right now who comes to that are Fiorina and Katich among the Republicans (and the almost invisible Webb among Democrats). I could live with Rubio but I do think he appears too young. She seems to be clawing her way up, but I don't think Katich can get any traction with Trump in the race. I think he would be a more natural fit for president than her, but she is better suited for campaigning.
If they actually want to win, it is important that the Republicans nominate a candidate who is at least not going to oppose same sex marriage. I think it is a litmus test for many independent voters this time as it was the last.
Maybe I should just keep dreaming. But the closest right now who comes to that are Fiorina and Katich among the Republicans (and the almost invisible Webb among Democrats). I could live with Rubio but I do think he appears too young. She seems to be clawing her way up, but I don't think Katich can get any traction with Trump in the race. I think he would be a more natural fit for president than her, but she is better suited for campaigning.
If they actually want to win, it is important that the Republicans nominate a candidate who is at least not going to oppose same sex marriage. I think it is a litmus test for many independent voters this time as it was the last.
The problem is most and not just Republicans see a dysfunctional paid for government. The establishment as repressed by the likes of Rubio and Obama are in the pocket of big time $ /lobbyists. There is a real populist movement in this country which does not trust the " standard " politicians. In addition, really cultural differences exist that are not bridgeable, no matter how often the call for diversity etc. The "united " states are no more, now labled Red vs Blue hence the outsiders and eventual a call for separation.
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"...he offers America hair, boasting, misogyny and insult. There’s no woman who can’t be reduced to a physical object. The socially insecure rise and applaud as he insults the people they’d never have the guts to take on themselves."
And he is the leader of the pack. Trump embodies the anti-science, anti-reality platform that the GOP stands on. Belief is more important than ugly stuff like verifiable facts and observable reality. Compromise of any sort is weakness and every issue must be in strict accord with party dogma. Evolution is false, climate change is a lie, the ACA is going to destroy the economy, gays getting married is going to destroy America, a HUGE fence will keep the Mexicans out and all poor non-tax paying people are just a bunch of moochers. Everything they have is because of their own hard work and the sweat of their brow.
It's not just the socially insecure Mr. Brooks - this is the heart of the GOP.
And he is the leader of the pack. Trump embodies the anti-science, anti-reality platform that the GOP stands on. Belief is more important than ugly stuff like verifiable facts and observable reality. Compromise of any sort is weakness and every issue must be in strict accord with party dogma. Evolution is false, climate change is a lie, the ACA is going to destroy the economy, gays getting married is going to destroy America, a HUGE fence will keep the Mexicans out and all poor non-tax paying people are just a bunch of moochers. Everything they have is because of their own hard work and the sweat of their brow.
It's not just the socially insecure Mr. Brooks - this is the heart of the GOP.
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This is an exciting moment for myself and I expect for other Brooks readers, as well. We know David as a rational and thoughtful Republican apologist, who specializes in issues of character and leadership.
He has crunched the numbers and sniffed the air, and this Fiorina / Rubio Dream Team (who represent a cumulative 10% in GOP polls) has what it takes to go all the way. Especially after Trump and Carson (50% cumulatively) will have lost their appeal to the base.
We've already heard from Brooks that Bernie Sanders has "little experience in the profession of governing" (9/8/15) so of course we will stay tuned to hear about the superior character and leadership potential of these extremely viable candidates.
Were I an expert on character and politics I might mention the stunning paucity of potential is such a large and vocal field of candidates. But of course, that's the wrong agenda.
He has crunched the numbers and sniffed the air, and this Fiorina / Rubio Dream Team (who represent a cumulative 10% in GOP polls) has what it takes to go all the way. Especially after Trump and Carson (50% cumulatively) will have lost their appeal to the base.
We've already heard from Brooks that Bernie Sanders has "little experience in the profession of governing" (9/8/15) so of course we will stay tuned to hear about the superior character and leadership potential of these extremely viable candidates.
Were I an expert on character and politics I might mention the stunning paucity of potential is such a large and vocal field of candidates. But of course, that's the wrong agenda.
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Why does everything Rubio says sound like a canned response to an anticipated question?
And ask Norman Braman if Rubio is "uncorrupted". In fact, he's been bought and paid for.
David, you need a better fact checker. The second sentence in your second paragraph is incorrect.
And ask Norman Braman if Rubio is "uncorrupted". In fact, he's been bought and paid for.
David, you need a better fact checker. The second sentence in your second paragraph is incorrect.
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I find it amazing that the mainstream media and Mr. Brooks have latched on to Rubio and Fiorina. The spin you are trying to give these two that they are somehow fit for POTUS is hilarious. Fiorina's major accomplishment is that she almost ran HP into the ground by buying Compaq. A disaster move, worse yet, after failing miserably she receives a "golden parachute" and is now wealthy beyond belief. How is that going to go over with Joe Average? Rubio made no stunning intelligent remarks regarding foreign policy. He is opposed to having diplomatic ties with Cuba and seems to honestly to adopt a 1950's outlook in regards to foreign policy. He is young but not progressive. Sad. The one thing that Rubio did say that was impressive was nominating "Rosa Parks" for a ten dollar bill, otherwise it was din.
Mr. Brooks, you are too intelligent of a man to hop on this train, please think carefully before you write to inflate the accomplishments of others. Be forthright with yourself and the readers.
Mr. Brooks, you are too intelligent of a man to hop on this train, please think carefully before you write to inflate the accomplishments of others. Be forthright with yourself and the readers.
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Are you looking at and listening to the same Marco Rubio I see and hear? The vacant look suggests a guy who couldn't lead ants to a picnic.
The take-away from my viewing of the debate (OK, full disclosure: I could only stand about an hour of it...) is that there isn't a single viable President in the bunch. They are too busy either preening and self-aggrandizing, or they go off on unconstitutional religious tangents, like Grand Ayatollah Huckabee. I saw no evidence that the Republican selection process has any anchor in reality.
The take-away from my viewing of the debate (OK, full disclosure: I could only stand about an hour of it...) is that there isn't a single viable President in the bunch. They are too busy either preening and self-aggrandizing, or they go off on unconstitutional religious tangents, like Grand Ayatollah Huckabee. I saw no evidence that the Republican selection process has any anchor in reality.
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Mr. Brooks' column reminds me of the letter the character Tomas writes about the Communist Party in Milan Kundera's novel The Unbearable Lightness of Being. Tomas points out that the Communist Party acts as if they don't know the consequences of their actions, like Oedipus, and praises Oedipus by comparison for having, at least, realized his error and gouged his own eyes out to make up for it.
When will Mr. Brooks recognize the complete moral failing at the center of Republican politics? When will he recognize that his recommended standard-bearers, Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio, are, respectively, a grotesque liar and a spineless puppet begging for the corporate masters to begin pulling his strings? When will he recognize that everyone on that stage Wednesday night represents an abandonment of reality, a perversion of decency and a profound threat to global security?
Perhaps, since Mr. Brooks has forsaken intelligent thought as he "analyzes" his beloved Republican Party, thinking of it in terms of Oedipus is far too highfalutin a paradigm. In the end, he's just another Republican monkey that sees no evil, hears no evil but speaks an endless stream of it.
When will Mr. Brooks recognize the complete moral failing at the center of Republican politics? When will he recognize that his recommended standard-bearers, Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio, are, respectively, a grotesque liar and a spineless puppet begging for the corporate masters to begin pulling his strings? When will he recognize that everyone on that stage Wednesday night represents an abandonment of reality, a perversion of decency and a profound threat to global security?
Perhaps, since Mr. Brooks has forsaken intelligent thought as he "analyzes" his beloved Republican Party, thinking of it in terms of Oedipus is far too highfalutin a paradigm. In the end, he's just another Republican monkey that sees no evil, hears no evil but speaks an endless stream of it.
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Marco Rubio is a such a good little boy mouthpiece for Republican elites. Articulate yes, but if he can't get past normalizing relations with Cuba when his generation has put it behind them then what kind of leadership can we expect? Carly on the other hand is hundred percent certain to be the VP nominee just for the optics.
Mr. Brooks, were you watching the same debate we did? Because all Ms. Fiorina did was to use the same level pointless bluster that the rest of the blowhards in your party have been using for years. Her words were "on Day 1, I will make 2 phone calls - one to my good friend Bibi and the other to the Supreme Leader of Iran". This kind of war mongering itself shows that she also belongs to the chicken hawk wing of your party, the ones who bomb first and ask questions (or not) later.
She blatantly lied about Planned Parenthood, her record at HP and a host of other things. She called for even more belligerence (a larger army?) But all that seemed to matter was that she spoke clearly and forcefully and now she's your darling.
She blatantly lied about Planned Parenthood, her record at HP and a host of other things. She called for even more belligerence (a larger army?) But all that seemed to matter was that she spoke clearly and forcefully and now she's your darling.
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This is probably the typical thinking of most iron-clad Republicans who'll never vote for a Democrat, no matter what. My Republican cousins, otherwise so intelligent, will agree with Brooks. Republicans have to go with the best they've got, even if the choice is pathetic.
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How can the Republicans be serious about Fiorina? She hasn't even held a job since 2005. That's quite a resume gap. Anybody who has looked for a job in the private sector with even a 6 month gap in employment knows that it sets off a red flag to potential employers. The presidency is not a job for those who are otherwise not employable.
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Another classic Brooks column, getting things right and calling out charlatans almost to the end when he self-destructs into lunacy. Fiorina, who compares well with past Republican pols in the audacity of her lies, and Rubio, handsome enough but essentially principle-free, at least until the next poll tells him what to think, as credible candidates? Oh please, spare me.
Apparently Brooks is compelled to fulfill his duty as a "conservative" commentator by declaring something in that snake pit of candidates as desirable. A sad waste of a decent intellect.
Apparently Brooks is compelled to fulfill his duty as a "conservative" commentator by declaring something in that snake pit of candidates as desirable. A sad waste of a decent intellect.
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Carly Fiorina has the same fatal flaw as many CEOs: she thinks that the US president is the king of the world and can simply scream "Unconditional surrender or else!" at the leaders of independent nations and they will fall to their knees and kiss her ring. The world doesn't work that way, and if Fiorina has reached deep middle age without learning that, she's not qualified to give a tour of the White House, let alone occupy it.
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David Brooks' mindless and willfully ignorant observations and musings after the Republicans kindergarten debate performance should for once and for all mark him as a pseudo intellectual at best and a panderer to the worst faux thinkers of the Conservative movement.
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Brooks needs to reads to read today's column by Paul Krugman. Fiorina is a liar.
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Fiorina lied about Planned Parenthood (yes, L-I-E-D lied, not just misspoke) and her answer to diplomacy is simply not to speak to those with whom we disagree. Marco "I'm not a scientist" Rubio doesn't see that the US, while it can't reverse global warming by going solo, has a responsibility to lead other countries in the right direction by setting a good environmental example.
If Mr. Brooks sees them as a plausible ticket that simply shows how abysmally unfit, unappealing, and/or downright scary all the other GOP candidates are.
If Mr. Brooks sees them as a plausible ticket that simply shows how abysmally unfit, unappealing, and/or downright scary all the other GOP candidates are.
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David Brooks reminds me of a snobbish food critic who has driven for 800 miles on an interstate without rest stops only to walk into a McDonald's - ''um, I'll have the Rubio with a side of Florio.'' The kid behind the counter sneers, 'One Rube wit a side of Flo!' says the kid into his lapel mike. The local behind Brooks sidles up and says, ''Dontcha know the only thing fresh here is the Trump/Carson combo?'' Alas.
Brooks has no grasp of the mistrust and outright hatred Rubio excites in the remnants and discards that the Republican Party has chosen as its 'core voter' by default. The GOP has become the shelter for the antipode invited by the slogan emblazoned on the base that supports the Statue of Liberty.
Brooks has no grasp of the mistrust and outright hatred Rubio excites in the remnants and discards that the Republican Party has chosen as its 'core voter' by default. The GOP has become the shelter for the antipode invited by the slogan emblazoned on the base that supports the Statue of Liberty.
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Agree that it is likely that the Rubio/Fiorina/Christie tide is on the horizon. Trump needs to get off the stage.
That being said, I find it ludicrous that people who voted for Obama in 2008 and then again in 2012 are critical of the ability of any of these three GOP candidates to manage foreign policy. How might Clinton or Sanders do that job any better?
That being said, I find it ludicrous that people who voted for Obama in 2008 and then again in 2012 are critical of the ability of any of these three GOP candidates to manage foreign policy. How might Clinton or Sanders do that job any better?
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Rubio is not so young that he hasn't amassed a long record of living well beyond his means, buying unnecessary things he can't afford (speedboats, expensive cars, and big houses with pools), and getting his behind bailed out by a rich businessman sugar daddy. So much for fiscal conservatism. The guy makes the young Bill Clinton look austere.
As for Chris Christie, one word: BridgeGate. He's not going anywhere. Stuck in a traffic jam of his own making.
Which leaves Fiorina and her "spotty" business record. In that regard, the woman has more spots than a hyena.
As for Chris Christie, one word: BridgeGate. He's not going anywhere. Stuck in a traffic jam of his own making.
Which leaves Fiorina and her "spotty" business record. In that regard, the woman has more spots than a hyena.
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R.E. "spotty record at HP"
Spotty signifies she had some success. For crying out loud, she nearly broke the company. She wasn't able to reassess failed decisions. Instead she just pushed forward, started layoffs in an attempt to rectify her screw-up. She cost 30K people their jobs. The company survived, but only after she got FIRED, and smart people started running the company again.
Look, You can't just fire a President when you find out they are incompetent (i.e. Bush). And countries can't just layoff the population.
Look, I'm no Republican, I see them as very shallow thinkers. But Paul seems to be the only one among the group that is presidential.
Spotty signifies she had some success. For crying out loud, she nearly broke the company. She wasn't able to reassess failed decisions. Instead she just pushed forward, started layoffs in an attempt to rectify her screw-up. She cost 30K people their jobs. The company survived, but only after she got FIRED, and smart people started running the company again.
Look, You can't just fire a President when you find out they are incompetent (i.e. Bush). And countries can't just layoff the population.
Look, I'm no Republican, I see them as very shallow thinkers. But Paul seems to be the only one among the group that is presidential.
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This column is from desperation. What is actually happening is that the Republican candidates are appealing to their worst, painted-into-a-corner, wing-nut "base", leaving the broad sensible national political field entirely to the Democrats—in short, a national party committing suicide right before our eyes.
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Yes, Brooks. Bush should have exercised his second amendment rights & challenged Trump to a duel on the Cayman Islands. Takin' care of business is what the average Republican voter is looking for.
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There are really two distinct questions:
One: Who will the Republican base nominate?
Two: Who should they nominate if they want to win?
I don't know the answer to the first question. The second question seems obvious to me:
Kasich+Rubio =
Moderate+Minority =
Experience+Youth =
Ohio+Florida =
Overall projection of competence, pragmatism, and much more trustworthiness than Hillary =
Win*
*Requires allowing the Democrats to continue their path of self-destruction by choosing the tired, uber-politician, main-stream candidate; Hillary, over Sanders. Although, a very intriguing possibility that has not been discussed much is if Sanders agrees to run with Hillary as V.P.- stranger things have happened.
One: Who will the Republican base nominate?
Two: Who should they nominate if they want to win?
I don't know the answer to the first question. The second question seems obvious to me:
Kasich+Rubio =
Moderate+Minority =
Experience+Youth =
Ohio+Florida =
Overall projection of competence, pragmatism, and much more trustworthiness than Hillary =
Win*
*Requires allowing the Democrats to continue their path of self-destruction by choosing the tired, uber-politician, main-stream candidate; Hillary, over Sanders. Although, a very intriguing possibility that has not been discussed much is if Sanders agrees to run with Hillary as V.P.- stranger things have happened.
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I found Rubio highly articulate and smart but too shrill, too over-rehearsed, too humorless and angry to succeed against Clinton. Fiorina started out really well but then became scary with her gleeful desire to go to war, as a way perhaps of proving that she too can be a warrior - very frightening. Clinton proved her willingness to use force as a Senator backing W on Iraq and then as Secretary of State. We know she's tough and, unlike Florina, she has nothing to prove in that regard.
Bush, however boring he may be, is still the one Republicans will likely settle on because he's the least scary.
Bush, however boring he may be, is still the one Republicans will likely settle on because he's the least scary.
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I'm not voting for a guy who thinks even a 13-year old rape victim must have a baby according to Rubio because of his religion. He just fuels ignorance--that women are not competent to decide for themselves and their own daughters what their best health options are according to their religion.
Do you really want to go down the same road again with another green senator after the last guy? Seriously.
Do you really want to go down the same road again with another green senator after the last guy? Seriously.
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The Republicans have a wealth of candidates, eager to spend the time and money to push themselves forward. They all look nervously over their shoulders at the other candidates and at local candidates who are eager to advance themselves as well. What do the Democrats have? Secretary Clinton. (This is not an anti Clinton rant; it is to her credit that she is running against the odds described below.)
President Obama has been a grave disappointment to many Democrats, including me. But his biggest legacy is the destruction of the Democratic party. There are no leaders at the national level; no rising governors; no farm team at all.
The Republicans have candidates, because they invested in them. They focused on the 2010 election at the state level to take the 2010 census results and gerrymander state districts for the next ten years. They focused on gubernatorial races. They developed intra party competition.
What did the Democrats do, led by President Obama? Apparently nothing. Now Democrats are shut out of state legislatures and running uphill in gubernatorial and other state wide elective offices. President Obama destroyed the blue dog Democrats in the Senate and House. There is no farm team.
It makes my heart ache to think of the lost opportunities in the Congress missed in 2009 - 2010 when the Democrats enjoyed large majorities. Think of the laws that could have been passed. And there is no Democratic party developing new leaders. What a shame.
President Obama has been a grave disappointment to many Democrats, including me. But his biggest legacy is the destruction of the Democratic party. There are no leaders at the national level; no rising governors; no farm team at all.
The Republicans have candidates, because they invested in them. They focused on the 2010 election at the state level to take the 2010 census results and gerrymander state districts for the next ten years. They focused on gubernatorial races. They developed intra party competition.
What did the Democrats do, led by President Obama? Apparently nothing. Now Democrats are shut out of state legislatures and running uphill in gubernatorial and other state wide elective offices. President Obama destroyed the blue dog Democrats in the Senate and House. There is no farm team.
It makes my heart ache to think of the lost opportunities in the Congress missed in 2009 - 2010 when the Democrats enjoyed large majorities. Think of the laws that could have been passed. And there is no Democratic party developing new leaders. What a shame.
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I thought David Brooks was supposed to be all about character and morality. Why then would he support someone, Fiorina that blatantly lies, making up stories about an organization that does more to help women than any other health organization? Come on David, you have no moral compass if you could support any of these Republicans least of all Fiorina. She just sounds smarter than Trump, but just as ill informed and cruel. The entire field endanger lives, insult our citizens, make up harmful stories, and demean the office of Presidency with every utterance. Drop the R and get some of that character you're always writing about.
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I'm hoping Brooks means Rubio-Fiorina are the least-worst of this sorry bunch -- as opposed to the best available in a nation of tens of millions of Republicans.
On the basis of little more than one debate performance, Fiorina is catapulted into being a leading contender.
It may be true that she has demonstrated, from the little we have seen, a talent for public presentation that can win her high positions.
But her actual job performance (in corporate positions, which is all that we have to go on) has been woeful.
Haven't we had enough experience with candidates who can dazzle the electorate in a campaign but then do not produce results once they succeed?
It may be true that she has demonstrated, from the little we have seen, a talent for public presentation that can win her high positions.
But her actual job performance (in corporate positions, which is all that we have to go on) has been woeful.
Haven't we had enough experience with candidates who can dazzle the electorate in a campaign but then do not produce results once they succeed?
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Governor John Kasich, of Ohio, is experienced, adult, reserved and to this progressive democrat seems to be the one candidate that would give us a run for our money. Why has the national press consistently ignored him?
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David, for a minute I thought you were about to switch political allegiance, but you pulled back at the last second. Fiorina and Rubio? Clumsy save, I must say.
Carly Fiorina reminds me of no one so much as she does Ernestine..One ringy-dingy...two ringy-dingies...she needs only to die her hair, grow it out and roll it up in French buns. I keep expecting Lily Tomlin to step up and tell her to cut it out, the way nearly every classic rock star or band whose hits have been co-opted by Republican candidates have done over the past 20+ years. It ain't rocket science. Ask first. Bill Clinton had Fleetwood Mac's blessing to go with "Don't Stop." Republicans go on the theory that it's easier to get forgiveness than it is permission.
I digress, sorry.
Fiorina's track record does not impress. Her version of her tenure at H-P is not that of public record. Steam-rolled in a failed attempt to buy, pretty much out of her own pocket, the California Senate race, she should be an object lesson to Donald Trump.
Marco Rubio's personal financial foibles may not say anything about his ability to handle international relations and foreign policy. Then again, they may, particularly in the domestic budget arena. Voting for sequester then saying he did not support it is a bit disingenuous, is it not?
But you did, in a back-handed way, acknowledge that the Republican candidate herd is charging headlong for the cliff's precipice. It's a long way to the bottom.
Carly Fiorina reminds me of no one so much as she does Ernestine..One ringy-dingy...two ringy-dingies...she needs only to die her hair, grow it out and roll it up in French buns. I keep expecting Lily Tomlin to step up and tell her to cut it out, the way nearly every classic rock star or band whose hits have been co-opted by Republican candidates have done over the past 20+ years. It ain't rocket science. Ask first. Bill Clinton had Fleetwood Mac's blessing to go with "Don't Stop." Republicans go on the theory that it's easier to get forgiveness than it is permission.
I digress, sorry.
Fiorina's track record does not impress. Her version of her tenure at H-P is not that of public record. Steam-rolled in a failed attempt to buy, pretty much out of her own pocket, the California Senate race, she should be an object lesson to Donald Trump.
Marco Rubio's personal financial foibles may not say anything about his ability to handle international relations and foreign policy. Then again, they may, particularly in the domestic budget arena. Voting for sequester then saying he did not support it is a bit disingenuous, is it not?
But you did, in a back-handed way, acknowledge that the Republican candidate herd is charging headlong for the cliff's precipice. It's a long way to the bottom.
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I am a Democrat, deeply disenchanted with Hillary Clinton. I cheered Carly Florina...she actually brought me to tears with her wonderful response to Trump's horrible comments about her....it drew me in...right up until the moment she spewed the colorful lie about Planned Parenthood when I turned the TV off in disgust. I got my birth control from PP when I was a teen and in my early 20s. They did my pap smears and helped keep me sane when a lump was discovered in my breast. As long as Republicans continue their PP derangement, I will have to continue to vote Democrat.
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Finally -- a NYTs pundit, David Brooks -- has acknowledged the excruciatingly simple fact that Trump is popular among republican voters because they like him. Liberals have been bursting their heads over Trump, trying by reason and analysis to eject their most wanted political enemy into the void. Now one of their own has publicly admitted that republicans have an emotional capacity that at least matches that of a backyard chicken. Prior to this, they thought of republicans as slime molds. Mr Brooks' article represents a revolutionary advancement in liberal sensibilities. He should be given a prize.
Yes, it might come down to Rubio and Fiorina. Donald Trump may have the "Trump card". My guess is that at a certain point he will drop out of the race and throw his support to one of the other candidates, such as Rubio. In that way, he can say that he was a power broker, who decided the election outcome.
Then, he might be given a cabinet position, like surgeon general, or what have you. Don't say I didn't warn you!
Then, he might be given a cabinet position, like surgeon general, or what have you. Don't say I didn't warn you!
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None of the announced Republican candidates has the intellect, energy, and vision to save America from another four years of the failed policies that ended two wars, brought healthcare to millions, and saved us from an economic flatline. David Brooks! Throw your hat in the ring! David Brooks for President!
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The CNN extravaganza was entertaining. It revealed how adults claiming to be viable candidates for President can behave like spoiled children. It was a shameful exhibition of shallow talk signifying how little any of them know what is important to the vast number of americans, namely jobs.
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Let's for sure elect one of these clowns. The sooner this country goes completely down the drain, well begun with Regan and intensified by W, the quicker we might be able to start becoming rational again....or maybe the folks who vote Republican, with the exception of the wealthy of course, really don't know the difference. After all, they actually believe that W kept the country safe despite 9/11 and that President Obama is responsible for the Katrina disaster
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"Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted"
Since when did being young preclude you from being corrupt? I don't understand this Republican fascination with a political "outsider." We are talking about the most important executive position in the world. Surely Goldman Sachs would not hire a CEO with no knowledge of financial markets, why would I elect a President with no knowledge of the political system?
Brooks suggests that Obama, Clinton, and Kennedy were such outsides. Obama was a state and U.S. Senator with a degree in constitutional law from Harvard, hardly lacking in political acumen. Clinton was Governor of Arkansas and a rhodes scholar with a degree from Yale law. And to suggest the anybody from the Kennedy family is a political outside is outright laughable.
Since when did being young preclude you from being corrupt? I don't understand this Republican fascination with a political "outsider." We are talking about the most important executive position in the world. Surely Goldman Sachs would not hire a CEO with no knowledge of financial markets, why would I elect a President with no knowledge of the political system?
Brooks suggests that Obama, Clinton, and Kennedy were such outsides. Obama was a state and U.S. Senator with a degree in constitutional law from Harvard, hardly lacking in political acumen. Clinton was Governor of Arkansas and a rhodes scholar with a degree from Yale law. And to suggest the anybody from the Kennedy family is a political outside is outright laughable.
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If Bush had any class he would have responded to Trump's insults in Spanish.
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Fiorina is a woman who is doing an impressive impersonation of a man.
Her challenge to name Hillary Clinton's achievements is going to have unintended consequences. We are about to hear about a number, a huge number of Hillary's accomplishments.
The Clinton Campaign is, no doubt, grateful to Fiorino. She has managed to change the subject from the e-mail "scandal" to one of substance.
Her challenge to name Hillary Clinton's achievements is going to have unintended consequences. We are about to hear about a number, a huge number of Hillary's accomplishments.
The Clinton Campaign is, no doubt, grateful to Fiorino. She has managed to change the subject from the e-mail "scandal" to one of substance.
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Subliminal message: Republicans are not that bad.
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Its really not surprising that the GOP - or its base, or whatever seems to be powering the party these days - is turning into sack and burn wannabe feudal Lords. All the talk the last two or more decades coming from the party, from the Tea Party, and its various "grass-roots" voices has been leading towards this. Disrupt, destroy, defund, deport, etc...be it labor protections, consumer protections, women's rights, immigration - whatever it is the GOP/TeaParty want to end it all, no matter that their constituents are the hardest hit.
And the snarky comments like;"How to stump a Dem..." coming from the alleged calmer, smarter voices, is not going to win moderates - because they toss that hot-potato right back on Fiorina. "Uh, Carly, what is it you have exactly done, besides escape from burning buildings, that you pretty much set afire?"
Whats worse about that Fiorina remark is that the GOP base are more easily stumped with fact based questions about actual domestic and foreign policy issues then any Dem could be re; Hillarys accomplishments. Its like the jock trying to poke fun at the nerd for not knowing the stats of a famous athlete, while the jock cant give you the atomic structure of water.
Plus is shows how the GOP is the party of bitter, angry white people, who without an original idea in multiple decades, prefers to insult people. Like the dumb jock, who wont go on to do anything but revel in his glory days in HS.
And the snarky comments like;"How to stump a Dem..." coming from the alleged calmer, smarter voices, is not going to win moderates - because they toss that hot-potato right back on Fiorina. "Uh, Carly, what is it you have exactly done, besides escape from burning buildings, that you pretty much set afire?"
Whats worse about that Fiorina remark is that the GOP base are more easily stumped with fact based questions about actual domestic and foreign policy issues then any Dem could be re; Hillarys accomplishments. Its like the jock trying to poke fun at the nerd for not knowing the stats of a famous athlete, while the jock cant give you the atomic structure of water.
Plus is shows how the GOP is the party of bitter, angry white people, who without an original idea in multiple decades, prefers to insult people. Like the dumb jock, who wont go on to do anything but revel in his glory days in HS.
Agree. Kasich-Fiorina is best choice. Of the Democrats, I would only support Bernie Sanders as alternative – if he, hopefully, continues to burst his way through. Let us have the debate we need.
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Mr. Brooks, in all honesty, how can you continue to support the Republcan Party? Rubio and Fiorina would be edgier and more renegade? Sen. Rubio has been groomed and bankrolled by wealthy backers since he hit the Florida Legislature. He parrots the ultra conservative foreign policy he's been fed and the trickle down economics of his party. How many times must that fail spectacular.y before it is exposed. No limit apparently as the economic elite who control the media have an iron grip on messaging. Your restive supporters, jazzed up on years of hate radio and conspiracy lies will not be happy with your dream ticket's tax cutting for "job creators" agenda. A new war will distract, that is, until the first American soldier is beheaded by ISIl.
Your party is going down a dangerous and solitary path on foreign policy, Mr. Brooks. I believe there is a limit to our Euopean allies forbearance and do not see them lining up behind us again in war or irrational support for Israel and their increasingly expansionist policies.
Your party is going down a dangerous and solitary path on foreign policy, Mr. Brooks. I believe there is a limit to our Euopean allies forbearance and do not see them lining up behind us again in war or irrational support for Israel and their increasingly expansionist policies.
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The sane candidates were Kasich, Rand Paul, Christie, although Mother Teresa on the $10 bill is a non-starter in my book. Christie's redundant claim that "it's all about you, not me", made me a little sick, since it's so monumentally mendacious: it's always been all about him. If Martin Sheen could be a credible short president on "West Wing", Rand Paul might make one in real life, but the curly hair somehow gets in the way of his gravitas; you know it does. This was not a "clown car"; it was an ocean-going clown yacht, or perhaps a Clown Air Force One (standing right behind them). Whatever it was, I went to sleep with worms in my head.
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Democrats have historically liked presidential nominees... even if they lack experience... Republicans on the other hand like the guy who's paid his dues and already lost a presidential run.
Right, except for George W Bush, who had as much experience as Bill Clinton (governors, both) and Brooks may remember was elected President, twice.
In fact, regarding Brooks cherry-picked list meant to demonstrate his thesis about this supposed difference between Republicans and Democrats, there are as many names that he could have included, Al Gore for instance, who had run for President before, to prove the opposite.
In addition to disagreeing with his political views, I've found myself over the years, when listening to him with Mark Shields or when reading his column, remarking on how his theories are not just wrong but often completely backwards, as the most cursory glance at the subject matter will tell you.
And here he is, week after week.
Right, except for George W Bush, who had as much experience as Bill Clinton (governors, both) and Brooks may remember was elected President, twice.
In fact, regarding Brooks cherry-picked list meant to demonstrate his thesis about this supposed difference between Republicans and Democrats, there are as many names that he could have included, Al Gore for instance, who had run for President before, to prove the opposite.
In addition to disagreeing with his political views, I've found myself over the years, when listening to him with Mark Shields or when reading his column, remarking on how his theories are not just wrong but often completely backwards, as the most cursory glance at the subject matter will tell you.
And here he is, week after week.
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This column will prove an embarrassment for Mr. Brooks. How he thinks that any of these three have a chance I have no idea but the biggest laugh is Christie. This is one of the worst governors in the US, hated by his state, who has been running for half a decade and never excited anyone and suddenly the world will fall in love with him. Right, by next week Brooks will chose someone else.
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I would pick Bob Dole any day over anyone from this spiteful cast of characters. Rubio was like a nervous junior high kid delivering a poem without understanding its' content. It is a stretch to claim that he is "uncorrupted." The fingerprints of special interest are all over his well-recited speech.
As to Carly, she might as well be one of the guys. I have no doubt that male-chauvinists from both genders dote over her. She could not even think of a woman to be a $10 bill? How clever is she to quickly claim that women need no token gestures.
As to Carly, she might as well be one of the guys. I have no doubt that male-chauvinists from both genders dote over her. She could not even think of a woman to be a $10 bill? How clever is she to quickly claim that women need no token gestures.
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The problem, David, is that all of the GOP candidates offer nothing but failed GOP supply side economics that further enrich the billionaire class and offer nothing for the poor and middle class. Americans are tired of that insulting offer, time after time. If you want to stump a Republican, ask them to name three things that the GOP has done in the last 25 years to 'primarily benefit' the poor and middle class in America.
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Really? Rubio, Fiorina and Christie? Is that the best this party can do? If so, time to start over, I think.
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You're really reaching to find something redeeming in this batch of misfits for the office of the presidency.
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Needed: Some good old fashioned party-of-Lincoln consciousness raising.
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The Republicans have spent so many years pandering and catering to the most irrational, undereducated, and ill-informed of their constituency that they now can offer only candidates who are irrational and ill-informed or who -- even if they know better -- put on an impeccable act of being so.
While Republican evangelical operators like Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson began the slide away from a logical, steady-on middle, it was John McCain who, in elevating Sarah Palin to vice-presidential candidate, pushed his party over the edge into absurdity.
A scramble towards a show of gravitas isn't going to fix what's wrong with the Republican party.
Its focus on all matters sexual, from birth control to marriage equality to exaggerated accusations of rape (committed, it seems exclusively by illegal immigrants), suggests an inability to grapple with anything but the most basic of concepts.
Climate change? Transportation issues? Infrastructure? Clean air and water? The tax code? International matters? Everything is swept aside in the Republican quest to control women's health care.
The GOP lost me years ago. Not that I care for the Democrats either.
While Republican evangelical operators like Pat Buchanan and Pat Robertson began the slide away from a logical, steady-on middle, it was John McCain who, in elevating Sarah Palin to vice-presidential candidate, pushed his party over the edge into absurdity.
A scramble towards a show of gravitas isn't going to fix what's wrong with the Republican party.
Its focus on all matters sexual, from birth control to marriage equality to exaggerated accusations of rape (committed, it seems exclusively by illegal immigrants), suggests an inability to grapple with anything but the most basic of concepts.
Climate change? Transportation issues? Infrastructure? Clean air and water? The tax code? International matters? Everything is swept aside in the Republican quest to control women's health care.
The GOP lost me years ago. Not that I care for the Democrats either.
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The real question Brooks should be asking is why do the Republican candidates wish to defund Planner Parenthood and the ACA? This pandering to the political and religious right wing of the party is not a winning strategy and is certainly less than progressive. The Republican right wing and their disdain for government in general is not a positive mentality to posses when you live in a democracy where the government is "for the people and by the people". Republicans pride themselves in being "anti-government" but in reality this is the most unAmerican view you could have.
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If you want to stump just about anybody on the planet, ask them to name an accomplishment of Mrs. Fiorina. And perhaps even harder still, ask somebody to name one accomplishemt of the first term senator from Florida, Marcio Rubio.
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I am a woman and Ms. Fiorina does not speak for me or my gender. I find her abrasive. Her comments on Planned Parenthood were offensive and lack veracity. Her first tv ad aimed directly at Trump's remarks about her face is a travesty. When the tag line "I'm proud of every line and wrinkle etc" comes out of her mouth I want to throw something at the screen. So proud that every line and wrinkle on a 60 year old face has been erased by obvious cosmetic procedures. Where's the pride in that?
When she reacts with disdain she reminds me of Lily Tomlin's Ernestine, the telephone operator who looked as if she ate lemons for dinner.
As for Rubio, he is just green. And to quote Joe Raposo, the great songwriter, It's not easy bein' green.
When she reacts with disdain she reminds me of Lily Tomlin's Ernestine, the telephone operator who looked as if she ate lemons for dinner.
As for Rubio, he is just green. And to quote Joe Raposo, the great songwriter, It's not easy bein' green.
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Wow! David is a wonderfully bright and philosophical person. But, his judgment about people and elections is remarkably poor. Carly Fiorina was trounced by Barbara Boxer in a big Republican year. David might want to take a closer look at why that happened. It's not good for the Republican Party. Also, did David miss Carly's blatant lie near the end of the debate?
In the end, we will have Bush as the Republican presidential nominee and he will have none of these other candidates as a vice presidential nominee.
Whatever happens between now and then is just amusing or not so-amusing noise.
In the end, we will have Bush as the Republican presidential nominee and he will have none of these other candidates as a vice presidential nominee.
Whatever happens between now and then is just amusing or not so-amusing noise.
Fiorina, huh? My 12-year-old son was interested in watching the debate and he just happened to begin watching right before the graphic discussion of Planned Parenthood started. I saw the look on his face when the first descriptions of the videos began, but when Fiorina began with her sickening version of events, I couldn't let him listen anymore. She made this civic activity unsuitable for children and I clumsily tried to explain to him that in politics sometimes people exaggerate and shock just to get attention from people who are not educated about the issues (and this is why it's important to be educated on issues!).
He went to bed with that horrible image in his head. Clearly this was a calculated move to be this shocking, but it makes me wonder if she knew that kids might be watching, kids around the age of her husband's grandchildren.
He went to bed with that horrible image in his head. Clearly this was a calculated move to be this shocking, but it makes me wonder if she knew that kids might be watching, kids around the age of her husband's grandchildren.
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Let's see: Fiorina, the only slightly softer female side of Trump sans the business success. Rubio, he of the constant deer-in-the-headlights visage. Wm. F. Buckley rolls in his grave; Lincoln weeps.
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Delusional much? Rubio is an empty suit with zero political accomplishments while in office in Florida. The guy has had his bills paid by his "sugar daddy" Norman Braman for years. The guy can't even pay his mortgage without Braman's help and this is a person who you think has "depth." He's as shallow as his record in office.
Fiorina crashed two companies -- Lucent and HP. Thousands of people lost their jobs because she was an inept buffoon as a CEO. Finally the board dumped her but like all failures at the top in business, she landed softly with her golden parachute fully engaged while the people who lost their jobs under her time as a CEO just landed with a thud and watched their houses be foreclosed as their savings disappeared.
Is that the best that the Republicans can do -- two losers -- one who can't manage his own finances and one who wrecked the lives of thousands and brought down a major corporation due to her stupidity and inept management?
Fiorina crashed two companies -- Lucent and HP. Thousands of people lost their jobs because she was an inept buffoon as a CEO. Finally the board dumped her but like all failures at the top in business, she landed softly with her golden parachute fully engaged while the people who lost their jobs under her time as a CEO just landed with a thud and watched their houses be foreclosed as their savings disappeared.
Is that the best that the Republicans can do -- two losers -- one who can't manage his own finances and one who wrecked the lives of thousands and brought down a major corporation due to her stupidity and inept management?
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I wonder if Trump was not right about vaccines causing brain damage; the Republican candidates and their electorate may be the evidence.
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"This is no longer Bob Dole’s or George H.W. Bush’s G.O.P. But it’s not going to completely lose its mind, either."
They've gone way past that point already.
Republican candidates hold so many policy views that are utter nonsense. They've become numb to it---no longer seems odd or out of place to them or their followers. They will tell any lie to advance their views, without blinking, no matter how outrageous or obvious.
Republican financiers insist on these policy views. In the words of Upton Sinclair, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
Politics can be a dirty business. But in the Republican camp, political speech must avoid the truth at all costs. Just click your heels and salute your patrons. It's a mindless, senseless fantasy world. The only truth is that money talks.
They've gone way past that point already.
Republican candidates hold so many policy views that are utter nonsense. They've become numb to it---no longer seems odd or out of place to them or their followers. They will tell any lie to advance their views, without blinking, no matter how outrageous or obvious.
Republican financiers insist on these policy views. In the words of Upton Sinclair, "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."
Politics can be a dirty business. But in the Republican camp, political speech must avoid the truth at all costs. Just click your heels and salute your patrons. It's a mindless, senseless fantasy world. The only truth is that money talks.
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I'm surprised that David Brooks is taking about Marco Rubio and Carly Florin as being a viable ticket on the basis of their "performances" at the Republican debate. While Fiorina may, as Brooks says, "have a genius for creating signature moments," how can he ignore the emptiness of that moment? The example he uses -- her statement about stumping a Democrat by asking them to name an accomplishment of Mrs. Clinton's -- is completely hollow and misleading. Mrs. Clinton has been a first lady active in social and women's issues and has had an accomplished career as a senator and as Secretary of State. The question immediately arises: Ask either a Democrat or a Republican to name an accomplishment of Carly Fiorina's. Her record at Hewlett-Packard -- or rather, her failed record there -- not only makes it a problem for her to top the ticket, it makes it a problem for the country if she's on the ticket at all.
As for Marco Rubio, his performance was equally empty. As the New York Times Editorial so aptly expresses: The only talk at the Republican Debate was "crazy talk."
As for Marco Rubio, his performance was equally empty. As the New York Times Editorial so aptly expresses: The only talk at the Republican Debate was "crazy talk."
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Rubio?? Really? Fiona who mismanaged HP into decline? Christie? If you had waxed on about Kasich it might have made sense. I fear you are drinking the same cool-aid as the "tea" party.
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Be honest, Mr. Brooks. Republican candidates are a set of complete losers. Starting with Walker, who Brooks has touted for months. We're supposed to have confidence in this man's judgment? He's either stupid, or dishonest.
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Give Rubio time. Right now he is engaged in pointing out the failures of President Obama/Clinton in order to win the nomination. In a general election against Hillary Clinton who believes the Presidency is her due his positions will be clear on immigration, the Middle East, taxes etc. His debating skills and oratory, his personal story, and his bilingualism will return Hillary to Chappaqua or more likely to Manhattan.
The writer assumes delineation among the candidates which does not appear coherent. Moreover, he asserts that those Americans who identify with Republican constructs are expressing their actual preferences, tastes and priorities through one or more of these particular candidates (as with Democrats). But that is rather misleading: such assertions are merely deduced through the prism of retail media and its particular commercial objectives. The public and the media are not coadjuvant.
David, Marco Rubio? Please. Look up the definition of "empty suit" in Wikipedia, there's a photo of Marco. He claims to be the new, young face of the Republican Party, yet he has the same old, shopworn Republican positions on Cuba, same-sex marriage and global climate change (among others). Even most young Republicans don't believe in those anymore. And you say he is uncorrupted? You must have missed that he has been been bailed out of debt and his campaign is almost wholly financed by Florida mega-car-dealer Norman Braman. Scary even for a Republican.
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Beware all candidates labeled as those who think. We are just leaving the throes of one so labeled. Lead us he did not.
Commonsense is enough. Uncommon prudence and leadership are what it's really about. You won't find that combo among those who lack experience. You may find it among the more experienced those who have paid their dues, though.
At least the Republicans are looking for it. The Dems have fallen in love with the unlovable.
Keep looking.
Commonsense is enough. Uncommon prudence and leadership are what it's really about. You won't find that combo among those who lack experience. You may find it among the more experienced those who have paid their dues, though.
At least the Republicans are looking for it. The Dems have fallen in love with the unlovable.
Keep looking.
Having noted Obama's lack of experience prior to becoming president, a persistent theme among Republicans, those very same people are now seriously considering Marco Rubio. Cognitive dissonance? None.
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Because of his unerring prophetic powers, I nominate David Brooks as the Heir Apparent to William Kristol. The king is dead, long live the king!
How about a Ted Cruz/Carly Fiorina match up? They are two of a kind. They even have the same dour, contemptuous expression most of the time.
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To go with the Oz analogy, Rubio would be great representing the Lollypop Guild, but I'd hate to have him representing the USA. Fiorina, with the sour, angry face she wore during the debate could easily be the Wicked Witch of the West. The other candidates? Flying monkeys.
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Made it halfway through today's nonsense from Mr. Brooks.
Mr. Brooks, you claim to be a conservative, therefore shame on you for today's column. Perhaps as a conservative pundit, it falls on you to be the voice of reason for a party that desperately needs it at this time.
We just watched two debates that proved that 17 GOP candidates are not prepared to hold the highest office in the land.
Again, shame on you David Brooks.
Mr. Brooks, you claim to be a conservative, therefore shame on you for today's column. Perhaps as a conservative pundit, it falls on you to be the voice of reason for a party that desperately needs it at this time.
We just watched two debates that proved that 17 GOP candidates are not prepared to hold the highest office in the land.
Again, shame on you David Brooks.
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It is hard to believe that, while acknowledging that 2/3 of the party essentially appears nuts, he makes an asininely vanilla conclusion that the party is going to get back on course.
Can he not see the logical conclusion, i.e. that the 2/3 of the GOP is going to get really really mad at its own party if Trump or Carlson isn't the nominee? I mean, get real. It's cracking up and has to, if it is gong to return to any semblance of sanity.
Can he not see the logical conclusion, i.e. that the 2/3 of the GOP is going to get really really mad at its own party if Trump or Carlson isn't the nominee? I mean, get real. It's cracking up and has to, if it is gong to return to any semblance of sanity.
They're all losers. Florida is sharp and aggressive, but a weird and wild hawk who knows the names of the players but has no grasp of diplomacy. Rubio is far to the right of most independents and is, as David points out, very young. A VP candidate, maybe, but that's all.
This is the Democrat election to lose, and it is time they stopped dreaming about Bernie, who - reality to progressives - cannot win a nation-wide election - and Biden, who won't run (for good personal reasons, but also because he, too, can't win) and get behind Clinton, who was winning by a handy margin until the media latched on to this stupid, groundless e-mail so-called scandal.
Clinton broke no laws and did only what most professionals do - took her email off an inefficient server, using company tech support. The rest is Republican lies, whipped up by innuendo, and bad reporting by CNN, MSNBC and the NYT (why?), and abetted by the Sanders contingent. It's time to stop.
We call the Republicans crazy and not reality-based, but we Democrats are just as bad, only in a different way. We are Don Quixotes chasing windmills. Rubio and Fiorina will not win, but neither will we if we continue to act stupidly. Bernie Sanders says things that most progressives, including I, really like, but we should realize that voters who will decide the election – in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and other purple states – will never, ever support him.
This is the Democrat election to lose, and it is time they stopped dreaming about Bernie, who - reality to progressives - cannot win a nation-wide election - and Biden, who won't run (for good personal reasons, but also because he, too, can't win) and get behind Clinton, who was winning by a handy margin until the media latched on to this stupid, groundless e-mail so-called scandal.
Clinton broke no laws and did only what most professionals do - took her email off an inefficient server, using company tech support. The rest is Republican lies, whipped up by innuendo, and bad reporting by CNN, MSNBC and the NYT (why?), and abetted by the Sanders contingent. It's time to stop.
We call the Republicans crazy and not reality-based, but we Democrats are just as bad, only in a different way. We are Don Quixotes chasing windmills. Rubio and Fiorina will not win, but neither will we if we continue to act stupidly. Bernie Sanders says things that most progressives, including I, really like, but we should realize that voters who will decide the election – in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Florida and other purple states – will never, ever support him.
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I agree that Fiorina and Rubio looked like the best shots based on their ability to handle themselves - frankly - like intelligent adults. This decreased the sideshow element of the debate enormously. I won't vote for them - but I certainly am grateful that they made the debate less of a mess, and made our country and it's potential leadership less of a joke. I always worry that we are much more vulnerable when we openly and willingly show the world evidence of our weakness and stupidity.
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I strongly disagree with Mr. Brooks' statement that "so far, Fiorina has looked like the most impressive candidate." During the first hour of the debate, I thought Ms. Fiorina was articulate and forceful, but during the last two hours it became obvious that her strategy was to act tough and project strength every time she had an opportunity to speak, and as a result I found her performance robotic, boring, one dimensional and divorced from reality in many areas. Mr. Rubio also adopted the "talk tough" strategy, which I also found staged and annoying. Even though I disagree with almost everything he said, I found Rand Paul to be articulate, rational, and an individual who was just being himself and not attempting to project a simplistic image. Mr. Paul will not win the nomination, but he is worth listening to.
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Mr. Brooks, we here in California are well versed in Fiorinaese. She ran a terrible senate campaign in 2010: she made fun of Barbara Boxer's looks (now who would do that!), ran one of the weirdest campaign ads ever with a man dressed as a demon sheep, and ended that campaign with a debt of over half a million dollars (yes, typical Republican conservative who spouts fiscal restraint and can't do it in their own lives). She still hasn't paid up her debts.
On top of it she has been named one of the top 20 worst CEOs, ever:
http://www.cnbc.com/2009/04/30/Portfolios-Worst-American-CEOs-of-All-Tim...
Finally, when she fired those 30,000 HP employees, she bought herself a luxury yacht and was thrown out of HP with a golden parachute worth $40 Million. Oh, and when she finally left HP, the company's stock had lost half its value.
Why in the world would you possibly think Fiorina would make a good President? Can you please not write a fluff piece about her and instead write something based on facts to back up your premise?
I dare you.
On top of it she has been named one of the top 20 worst CEOs, ever:
http://www.cnbc.com/2009/04/30/Portfolios-Worst-American-CEOs-of-All-Tim...
Finally, when she fired those 30,000 HP employees, she bought herself a luxury yacht and was thrown out of HP with a golden parachute worth $40 Million. Oh, and when she finally left HP, the company's stock had lost half its value.
Why in the world would you possibly think Fiorina would make a good President? Can you please not write a fluff piece about her and instead write something based on facts to back up your premise?
I dare you.
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Fiorina's never been elected to anything,; her Senate campaign was so bad it even made Barbara Boxer look like a states woman. Plus she has all the charm of a coiled rattlesnake. Carly is the only candidate that would make Hillary look like a kindly grandmother.
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Saying Ms Fiorina can't be at the top of the ticket is pointless: Judging her way at HPQ, she would get to the top so long as she got in. She might outdo former VP Cheney by not just being the operator behind the throne also only taking the throne outright
Women voters can see that Fiorina is female but hardly represents a defender of women's health care rights. Her one-liners don't hide a history of poor business decisions and arrogance.
Rubio is an intellectual lightweight who can't stand the heat and should stay out of the kitchen. He does sound more intelligent than dimwits Cruz, Jindal et al., but that's a very low threshold to peer over.
Voters who wonder about Hillary's integrity are misguided. They should be far more concerned about anyone from the Republican party currently seeking the nomination actually becoming president. She is vastly more competent and wiser than all of them combined.
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Rubio is an intellectual lightweight who can't stand the heat and should stay out of the kitchen. He does sound more intelligent than dimwits Cruz, Jindal et al., but that's a very low threshold to peer over.
Voters who wonder about Hillary's integrity are misguided. They should be far more concerned about anyone from the Republican party currently seeking the nomination actually becoming president. She is vastly more competent and wiser than all of them combined.
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I used to think you are a smart man, Mr. Brooks, but your insistence on trying to defend these know-nothing-but-what-the-Koch-brothers-and-corporate-conglomerate-tell-them people are a disgrace to America. Every single one of them.
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While Brooks greatly overstates his qualifications, Rubio is indeed the best positioned right now to emerge as the Republican nominee. Like Hillary, Jeb! won the early support of many of the big money donors and elected officials needed to secure the claim to being the presumptive nominee. While I wouldn't rule out Jeb!'s ability to buy a resurgence, his performance to date has been so dismal that many of those early supporters are now asking who their Plan B should be. The minimum criteria are: a not-obviously-insane person who will loyally and competently serve the interests of the 1% and who has a plausible shot at winning a swing state or two. Unfortunately that eliminates much of the field. Contrary to Brooks, Fiorina is not a serious candidate. Her record at HP will prove lethal. Like Ben Carson she is running for future book sales and speaking fees, not for POTUS. Walker has proven to not be ready for prime time. Kasich is TOO sane to win. Christie has a shot, but Bridgegate and his NJ ways will hurt him. That really leaves Rubio. He's no genius, but he is a competent speaker who exudes some real energy. And he represents the only plausible path to a future Republican majority, cracking open the Latino vote. For all of these reasons, I expect that Jeb!'s establishment base will shift to Rubio who, if he is smart will then pick Kasich as his nominee for VP in order to lend gravitas and pivot to the center to win Florida and Ohio in the General Election.
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David, this was not a good article to read on an empty stomach. I had to go to the kitchen for a bowl of prunes and some baking soda. To say that the party is going off "on a different trajectory," is a major understatement. This trajectory is undoable, ridiculous, and worse, insulting as is the list of major characters who somehow are supporting it.
Renounce, disrupt, disallow, ignore, deny, offend, (and perhaps we should make up a new definitive term, "patheticize") . . . what sort of rallying points are these?
The "vectors" you reference at the end of your column are as scary as the debate process establishing them.
America deserves better. Regardless of who wins the upcoming election, there are still 320 million Americans living here who are being cared for by Congress and our next President. Let's not make this a nation-ending event.
Renounce, disrupt, disallow, ignore, deny, offend, (and perhaps we should make up a new definitive term, "patheticize") . . . what sort of rallying points are these?
The "vectors" you reference at the end of your column are as scary as the debate process establishing them.
America deserves better. Regardless of who wins the upcoming election, there are still 320 million Americans living here who are being cared for by Congress and our next President. Let's not make this a nation-ending event.
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Sorry David. Can't buy Rubio or Fiorinia. Rubio - maybe due to his age - reminds me of the student who raises his hand eager to show the teacher that he has memorized his lesson and can repeat it verbatim. Dig deeper and he has no credibility on his recitations.
I am a woman so I am saying that Fiorina - apart from her lies and distortions - has decided that she has to look and come across as mean and angry all the time so that the boys will let her in the club. Sad but true. Sheesh woman at least look as though there is a pleasant thought floating around in your head. Ha she pronounces her untruths with force and the media crowns her a winner.
My eyes can't roll anymore!!!!
I am a woman so I am saying that Fiorina - apart from her lies and distortions - has decided that she has to look and come across as mean and angry all the time so that the boys will let her in the club. Sad but true. Sheesh woman at least look as though there is a pleasant thought floating around in your head. Ha she pronounces her untruths with force and the media crowns her a winner.
My eyes can't roll anymore!!!!
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Some sage thoughts from Mr. Brooks, sprinkled with a few bits of nonsense. First example of nonsense: that Dems tell polsters they want someone who can work within the system. Way to ignore Bernie Sanders and Mrs. Clinton's falling ratings! Another: Ms. Fiorina has a genius for creating signature moments. This is especially true when she is fabricating responses out of lies and distortions, as she did in her Planned Parenthood diatribe. Finally (though other examples abound): Marco Rubio is a genius at relating policy.... and can sum up a complex subject.... Like he does with climate change??
I will give Mr. Brooks this: it is not an easy task to paint any of the GOP contenders as presidential material (refer to Mr. Krugman's editorial). I almost feel sorry for moderate, intelligent, truthful Republicans like Mr. Brooks. They are an endangered specie in a party that cares not a wit about endangered species.
I will give Mr. Brooks this: it is not an easy task to paint any of the GOP contenders as presidential material (refer to Mr. Krugman's editorial). I almost feel sorry for moderate, intelligent, truthful Republicans like Mr. Brooks. They are an endangered specie in a party that cares not a wit about endangered species.
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I agree with the final words of David Brooks: the Republicans need to offer one of the three mentioned. I'm a Democrat, but if we lose, I want a President with the potential to embrace sanity.
Of the three forementioned by Brooks, Christie and Rubio are more directly experienced in government, and that matters -- it's a federal job, not a corporate job. There is a big difference in the two.
That being said. Hillary Clinton is the most quallified: you can't beat being Secretary of State for relavent experience -- international affairs is a superior background, since state rights balances domestic issues.
Rubio has a future based on what we see and what he has done, but it's not refined. Christie handled himself very well in the debate,
Fiorina is not a match for Hillary Clinton -- well, maybe no one is. Clinton is a solid choice. Hopefully, she has learned to balance dispatch with security rules that cause alams, even if they are false alarms.
Of the three forementioned by Brooks, Christie and Rubio are more directly experienced in government, and that matters -- it's a federal job, not a corporate job. There is a big difference in the two.
That being said. Hillary Clinton is the most quallified: you can't beat being Secretary of State for relavent experience -- international affairs is a superior background, since state rights balances domestic issues.
Rubio has a future based on what we see and what he has done, but it's not refined. Christie handled himself very well in the debate,
Fiorina is not a match for Hillary Clinton -- well, maybe no one is. Clinton is a solid choice. Hopefully, she has learned to balance dispatch with security rules that cause alams, even if they are false alarms.
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David's panic and desperation all wrapped up in a single column. Intelligent GOP'ers know that 2016 is lost unless they can close the gap with women and minorities, so Brooks promotes the unqualified affirmative action ticket.
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'Republicans are embracing their inner adolescent.'
I can only hope that the rest of the world who watched the Republican debate were generous enough to consider the candidates a bunch of, at least, adolescents. I would have considered them to be of a lower age,
But, then, the Republicans would, as Bush did, only shrug their shoulders and say, 'who gives a damn about what the rest of the world thinks'.
I can only hope that the rest of the world who watched the Republican debate were generous enough to consider the candidates a bunch of, at least, adolescents. I would have considered them to be of a lower age,
But, then, the Republicans would, as Bush did, only shrug their shoulders and say, 'who gives a damn about what the rest of the world thinks'.
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In a breathtaking reversal from past positions, David Brooks now says that the downside of Fiorina being at the top of the GOP ticket is her spotty record at HP. What about the fact that she has never been elected to any public office, not even mayor of Wasilla? Is this now irrelevant, even to 'sensible adults' like David Brooks?
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Oh, good grief. You frighten me as much as the R candidates. When a Republican candidate for President, Senate, or House is able to integrate the notion of compromise into any discussion of democracy, I will begin to pay a modicum of attention.
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Perhaps Fiorina"s HP short comings should not be a problem, after all Regan was a B-movie actor and that did not reflect on his political career.
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Maybe I am just a dewy eyed optimist, but I see no evidence that Christie is positioned for any space. The bluster, insults and lies that briefly seduced New Jersey, play poorly on a national stage. For that at least, I am grateful to the Donald. Christie is second banana in his own schtick and I look forward to him deciding that he owes it to his family and his state to bow out.
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Fiorina is in politics because she couldn't cut it in business.
After her latest epic failure, no one would hire her.
Political office is welfare for affluent failures. (see GW Bush, et. al.)
After her latest epic failure, no one would hire her.
Political office is welfare for affluent failures. (see GW Bush, et. al.)
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Most of what David Brooks writes in this column about the electorate, the candidates, and the national mood rings true with me. Speaking for myself, however, I wasn't disappointed that Jeb Bush didn't land "zingers" or adopt a combative approach during the debate. I want a smart, civilized President with extraordinary self-control and statesmanship. Whether Jeb Bush is that person remains to be seen, but so far, he doesn't offend my sense of decency or make my skin crawl in the way that some of the others do.
I am laughing through my tears; unfortunately, the tears are winning.
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What about a Kaisch/Rubio or Kaisch/Paul ticket? Either of these pairings would stand a good chance of defeating Hillary and, if elected, they would not bring chaos to the country - unlike any other pairings of the GOP presidential candidates who live in a make believe world where simply saying something is so makes it a fact and all our foreign policy problems can be handled by military options. Listening to the few answers Kaisch, Rubio, and Paul were permitted to give at the debate made me realize how much these debates are simply reality TV entertainment. All the other candidates were simply playing to the nut job crowd.
The strangest thought in here is that Brooks thinks some of the candidates are operating in reality. You can tell who is closest to reality in the debate by how much everyone else disagreed with them on positions.
Trump made slightly more sense on economics and everyone else disagreed.
Paul makes slightly more sense on foreign policy and everyone else disagreed.
Kasich made slightly more sense on domestic policy and everyone else disagreed.
Trump made slightly more sense on economics and everyone else disagreed.
Paul makes slightly more sense on foreign policy and everyone else disagreed.
Kasich made slightly more sense on domestic policy and everyone else disagreed.
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Wow, am I relieved! I thought all the Republican candidates sounded like they lived in another solar system. Instead, we learn that Republicans can wisely choose among Rubio, a first-term Senator and son (anchor baby?) of Cuban parents; Fiorina, who single-handedly blew up HP, one of the icons of American innovation; and Christie, who consistently lies about his failures in governance of New Jersey and thus enjoys the contempt of most of its citizens.
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Fiorino and Rubio were admittedly articulate, but what they said about foreign policy was nonsense. Does that count ?
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Carly is clever but she is often all rhetoric, little substance. Plus when she starts to make political rallying speeches, she is just as boring as her opponents. I like Rubio, but he does not project personal power or strong self confidence, like Trump, so he does not inspire. Recall Obama in 2008, how he got us to believe in his vision, only Trump, and Carson, and Sanders, are generating this kind of energy currently. Creating and sustaining that inspiration is necessary to win the nomination.
Mr. Brooks finds Carly Fiorina to be the "most impressive candidate" thus far, in spite of her "spotty record at Hewlett Packard." Yet many business writers have documented her disastrous performance for company. Add this to her seeming desire to wrestle with Putin and her over-the-top remarks about Planned Parenthood, and I am left wondering exactly what Mr. Brooks finds so impressive. Was it her feisty retort to Trump about looks? Mr. Brooks, I expect more substance from you.
35 years of increasing craziness has brought the GOP to this debacle. It is time for you, Mr. Brooks, to confront this and recognize your part in taking us here. I suggest you may find a taste of reality by venturing forth into the streets and meeting real, average folk. Instead of writing from behind the walls of your ivory castle.
35 years of increasing craziness has brought the GOP to this debacle. It is time for you, Mr. Brooks, to confront this and recognize your part in taking us here. I suggest you may find a taste of reality by venturing forth into the streets and meeting real, average folk. Instead of writing from behind the walls of your ivory castle.
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I believe Carly Fiorina will not be favored by the republican base in the South. After all she is from California. Marco Rubio's chances depend on whether he can beat Jeb Bush in the Florida primary. I doubt that will happen.I also think Trump will not fade away, he will seriously damage whoever emerges. Im my book, Chris Christie and John Kasich are the ones that will finally emerge after a long and bruising battle. I am a democrat --so my opinion really does not count.
What I heard on Wednesday night was neither edgy or renegade, more like scary and disturbing.
Foreign policy talk focused on confrontation at every front. Russia, Iran, Syria, ISIS all seemed to deserve a beefed up military presence, scare tactics aimed at staring down aggression and provoking war.
Domestically, the goal was to stop funding for an essential women's health program, Planned Parenthood; build walls to make a America into a gated city on the hill; no real ideas on how to confront climate change; little talk from the front-runners about our inequitable justice system; more of the trickle-down economic spin; lot's of bragging and boasting about billions made and CEO performance.
Putting Trump aside in his own dysfunctional corner, for me the scariest was Cruz. His whole spin was laden with cold war rhetoric aimed at drawing lines rather than building bridges. That seems to me what this eye-rolling, valley girl GOP base wants. Not the difficult negotiations of a responsible leader, but one who can thump his or her chest the loudest, scare the evil-doers the most, and preach "tradition" the clearest--comic and one dimensional, not nuanced and smart. If a candidate is not yelling about our greatness and belittling something or someone in the process, the collective GOP rolls it's eyes.
Foreign policy talk focused on confrontation at every front. Russia, Iran, Syria, ISIS all seemed to deserve a beefed up military presence, scare tactics aimed at staring down aggression and provoking war.
Domestically, the goal was to stop funding for an essential women's health program, Planned Parenthood; build walls to make a America into a gated city on the hill; no real ideas on how to confront climate change; little talk from the front-runners about our inequitable justice system; more of the trickle-down economic spin; lot's of bragging and boasting about billions made and CEO performance.
Putting Trump aside in his own dysfunctional corner, for me the scariest was Cruz. His whole spin was laden with cold war rhetoric aimed at drawing lines rather than building bridges. That seems to me what this eye-rolling, valley girl GOP base wants. Not the difficult negotiations of a responsible leader, but one who can thump his or her chest the loudest, scare the evil-doers the most, and preach "tradition" the clearest--comic and one dimensional, not nuanced and smart. If a candidate is not yelling about our greatness and belittling something or someone in the process, the collective GOP rolls it's eyes.
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John Kasich was the only sensible, reality-based candidate in the debate, though to CNN's discredit, he got little chance to show it. Jeb Bush all but disqualified himself from the race by citing his brother's "safety" record, which was greeted by silence instead of the laughs it deserved. Here in Ohio, Kasich has shown himself open to working with Democratic mayors (such as Frank Jackson in Cleveland), righted the state's economic priorities, and in general demonstrated that he puts the interest of the people ahead of ideology. He is experienced in government and business, politically astute(setting aside his failed war on public unions), and empathetic (Medicaid expansion). And so far in his presidential campaign, he's shown that he's capable of curbing a penchant for impatience and prickliness. Jeb Bush rode a housing bubble as governor of Florida. John Kasich rescued an economically troubled state and put it on a sound course. The GOP needs to wake up to the only electable candidate in their sorry ranks.
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The longer Trump and the other dim 'stars' of the GOP stay in the race, the longer it is that any reasonable GOP candidate suffers by association. Carly is also a heartless human with no experience getting along in the real world - so not reasonable. Two guys from Florida that both speak spanish ...might be the only GOP hope. But how will that happen?
David you are grasping at straws now --- the only correct assessment you made of him is that he is young---that's it. And being young does not equate with being uncorrupted --- every Republican, including Rubio, is backed by a plutocrat, who will demand that he adhere to their special agenda. As to his understanding of complex subjects, please, his team decided he needed a foreign policy twist, so he memorized a policy paper and waited for his big moment to recite it. No, David, this will not be kind year for conservatives looking for some adult to stand on the stage against Hillary.
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Perhaps the only reason Mr Brooks is enthusiastic about Fiorina, Rubio et al is because the current crop of candidates has set the bar so low one would need a backhoe to retrieve it from the Earth. Instead of setting for what we have, why don't we, as Americans, demand more?
The only candidate onstage who managed to blend sensible tone and policy was Rand Paul, and even he was given as much airtime as a mom-and-pop pizza shop ad in the Super Bowl.
The only candidate onstage who managed to blend sensible tone and policy was Rand Paul, and even he was given as much airtime as a mom-and-pop pizza shop ad in the Super Bowl.
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Mr. Brooks, your words: 'Democratic voters have become responsible and middle-aged, telling pollsters they want experienced pols who can work within the system.'
In short, it's the Democrats who are the real conservatives. That these GOP candidates, and the right wing media/entertainment complex that goads them on, refer to themselves as conservatives simply does not stand up to scrutiny.
In short, it's the Democrats who are the real conservatives. That these GOP candidates, and the right wing media/entertainment complex that goads them on, refer to themselves as conservatives simply does not stand up to scrutiny.
Mr. Brooks, I have to disagree with your second to last paragraph. Today's GOP has no soul, no conscience, no ethics, no morals, no compassion... and most certainly is totally mindless in every sense. Kind of hard to lose something you never had in the first place.
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Cara's record at HP should make voters question her creds as a business women, besides her talent for making snarky remarks she isn't very impressive as a politician. I don't understand your infatuation with Rubio. He was willing to join the crazies on immigration in order to stay relevant. Christie? He's on the road so much because in the state he's supposed to Govern he's less popular than the Kardashians.
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Brooks, you're such a sucker for form over substance, and rhetoric over facts. Rubio's position on abortion disqualifies him to be president. Ever. And not only was Fiorina's record at Haliburton utterly pathetic. She lied about the Planned Parenthood video. And she attacked Barbara Boxer's looks over and over again. Your effusiveness for Rubio and Fiorina shows you're either desperate or just washed up.
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What? Your list of Democrats and Republicans included both senators and governors, but supposedly Republicans have more gravitas? And all anybody has to do is a quick google search to find out how damaged Rubio and Fiorina are. Unbelievable
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Ms. Fiorina's record at HP was less than spotty. It was a failure. And I ask again: when, oh when will anyone address the hypocrisy of her righteous indignation over Trump's comments about her appearance when she was caught on a hot mic making fun of Barbara Boxer's hair during her run for the Senate (which was another failure). Some say she projects steeliness and resolve. I say she's little more than a high school mean girl who dishes it out but can't take it.
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"Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted, and he is a genius at relating policy depth in a way that is personal."
Rubio is as much a "genius" as Paul Ryan was a man of "formidable intellect" (verbatim quote from Book's brilliant analysis of his former favorite political star.)
Sic transit gloria mundi.
Rubio is as much a "genius" as Paul Ryan was a man of "formidable intellect" (verbatim quote from Book's brilliant analysis of his former favorite political star.)
Sic transit gloria mundi.
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If the GOP is attempting to win with its message of bigotry, homophobia, misogyny, privilege of the few at the expense of the many, racism and xenophobia, then having the somewhat dark-sinned son of an immigrant and a woman as the ticket could be the way to sell the message of bigotry, homophobia, misogyny, privilege for the few at the expense of the many, racism and xenophobia.
Interesting that Brooks thinks only Foreign Policy hawks (let's say neocons) are worthy of the nomination. If that's the case, this (Libertarian) GOP voter will stay home. Or better still write in my dog's name on the ballot.
I am confused. How exactly did Bill Clinton, JFK and Barack Obama "lack experience"? Clinton was governor of Arkansas for the better part of a decade, and Arkansas Attorney General before that. JFK was a US Senator for 6 years and served 6 years as a Massachusetts congressman before that - prior to that he was busy serving with distinction in WWII. Obama served 6 years in the Illinois Senate before serving in the US Senate. How were these men lacking in experience?
Carson, Fiorina and Trump have never held any elected office. Are they political neophytes in the way JFK and Clinton were (taking this article at face value, apparently so).
Ted Cruz has 2 years experience as an elected official. Rand Paul, all of 4 years (after being born into the Senate). Rubio served 8 years in the Florida House of Representatives and 4 years as US Senator (so he is about as experienced as Obama was when he ran, the most experienced Republican Senator candidate),.
Among the governors, John Kasich is the most experienced (20 years as US Congressman, 4 as governor, state office before that), Christie has 5 years experience as governor, Huckabee almost 20 years as governor, and Jeb Bush, the great statesman of the party, 8 years as governor.
Hardly any of the potential Republican nominees (and none of the leading nominees) have anywhere near the experience in elected office that Clinton, JFK and Obama had before becoming president.
Carson, Fiorina and Trump have never held any elected office. Are they political neophytes in the way JFK and Clinton were (taking this article at face value, apparently so).
Ted Cruz has 2 years experience as an elected official. Rand Paul, all of 4 years (after being born into the Senate). Rubio served 8 years in the Florida House of Representatives and 4 years as US Senator (so he is about as experienced as Obama was when he ran, the most experienced Republican Senator candidate),.
Among the governors, John Kasich is the most experienced (20 years as US Congressman, 4 as governor, state office before that), Christie has 5 years experience as governor, Huckabee almost 20 years as governor, and Jeb Bush, the great statesman of the party, 8 years as governor.
Hardly any of the potential Republican nominees (and none of the leading nominees) have anywhere near the experience in elected office that Clinton, JFK and Obama had before becoming president.
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Henry, you are right. Normally, I like David Brooks' columns, even as I disagree with him. However, this was a bad mistake that he made and it undercuts every thing else that he wrote. That's too bad, because I found intriguing his premise at the beginning that the two parties had switched "love languages." That was pretty clever writing.
Did you note before writing your piece that a CNBC list in 2009 included Carly Fiorina as one of the worst CEO's on a list that included Ken Lay and "Chainsaw" Al Dunlap. The description of Fiorina's history at HP included the layoff of thousands to cut costs, paid herself handsome bonuses, merger with Compaq that failed and lost one half of HP's value during her tenure. In the write-up, she is given credit as a self-promoter. I suggest you chose another candidate.
Why should this be surprising? The GOP, at every level, has been denigrating government and the people in it for at least 40 years. Small wonder then that their base rebels against those in public service.
Another Brooksian false equivalency, comparing people like Donald Trump and Ben Carson to Bill Clinton, John Kennedy, and Barack Obama. The comparisons would have been just as ludicrous in 1959, 1990, and 1006 as they are now.
Clinton, Kennedy, and Obama are a group who spent the early parts of their lives thinking deeply about issues of public policy. The occupants of the clown car haven't thought deeply about anything, ever, except self-aggrandizement.
Clinton, Kennedy, and Obama are a group who spent the early parts of their lives thinking deeply about issues of public policy. The occupants of the clown car haven't thought deeply about anything, ever, except self-aggrandizement.
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The Republican presidential aspirants are hardly more than a parade of fools and arrogant incompetents, liars. narcissists and psychopaths none of whom should be taken seriously except the Ohio governor. He resisted the temptation to engage in the Trump charade and got lost in the din of that pretentious nonsense. The fact that this gang of wannabes is taken seriously is as much a condemnation of the Republican Party as it is a warning sign for ALL Americans to take notice. Our democracy is being stolen by con artists acting on behalf of the UBER Class who care not one wit about democratic rule, communities, healthcare, children's' education and the safety and well being of the American public. If you don't get out there and vote you are giving our Nation away. Our fate rests in your hands and in the hands of every American eligible to vote. VOTE!!!
Her H-P experience rules out Carly Fiorina as the Republican nominee for President ... but not for Vice President?
Actually I think it is not an impediment for either
According to news reports I've read some former directors who voted her out at H-P now wish they had not.
Besides, by starting in the corporate world as a secretary and making it all the way to CEO of a major company Fiorina demonstrated that her supervisors thought she earned a heck of a lot of promotions.
No, Fiorina-Rubio makes more sense especially when this Republican imagines a Fiorina-Clinton debate.
Actually I think it is not an impediment for either
According to news reports I've read some former directors who voted her out at H-P now wish they had not.
Besides, by starting in the corporate world as a secretary and making it all the way to CEO of a major company Fiorina demonstrated that her supervisors thought she earned a heck of a lot of promotions.
No, Fiorina-Rubio makes more sense especially when this Republican imagines a Fiorina-Clinton debate.
A new low for your column, David. First, young equate young with uncorrupted? Since when? Perhaps you meant young = amateurism. Rubio's perceived foreign policy knowledge comes from his ability to read scripts. In my view, he clearly lacks any depth about how the international system's complex fabric its multi-dimensional actors truly work. As for Fiorina, you are dead right about her "genius for creating signature moments" -- all for her own career and personal advancement at the expense of all others. Ask HP or Lucent employees, her fellow senior executives and the Hewlett family about that. "Spotty record"? How about horrendous. And to purport that the ability to fabricate "signature moments" qualifies anyone to be near to the highest office in the land makes me wonder if you have bought into the new "reality TV" political theater, void of substance, that has taken over our political processes.
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Brooks' dream ticket is the result of racial-gender profiling: An Hispanic man and a fake-blond woman with an Italian last name.
Brooks can try to camouflage his choice under the guise of whatever profound analysis he wants, but the essence remains: no white Anglo Saxon man need apply. They don't have to: there is a slew of straw men and women to front for them.
Brooks can try to camouflage his choice under the guise of whatever profound analysis he wants, but the essence remains: no white Anglo Saxon man need apply. They don't have to: there is a slew of straw men and women to front for them.
From a soon-to-be 70 year old the views that I heard were scary. Impulsive talk outnumbered reasonably thought out solutions. But more disturbing was that some of the speakers of the sensible remarks would talk stupid on other issues. America is doomed if any of these characters can convince enough voters.
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If we can look beyond party lines, and at the leadership qualities, lots of good qualities in those two candidates
Brooks on Rubio: "He has clarity of mind and can sum up a complex subject — Russia, the Middle East — in a way that is comprehensible but not oversimplified." Did Mr. Brooks listen to Rubio's comments on climate change? What Rubio said was akin to someone driving a car quite fast in the fog near a cliff without a guard rail and being asked to slow down by a passenger and responding "I can't; we have a business meeting to get to and we can't be late".
Sensible people take out insurance policies against catastrophe. Rubio doesn't want to pay the premium, the size of which he is greatly over-stating.
Sensible people take out insurance policies against catastrophe. Rubio doesn't want to pay the premium, the size of which he is greatly over-stating.
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Mr Brooks, you have an incurable myopia regarding the Republican party--including your notion that Marco Rubio is "young and uncorrupted". I'm afraid you know next to nothing about Florida politics and the financial scandals that has enveloped our junior Florida senator. And there's also his less than honest account of his supposed immigrant journey. And in addition to a lackluster stint as Florida House Speaker, he's accomplished nothing as a U.S. Senator other than to fuel his self delusional presidential aspirations.
But to suggest that Rubio, Fiorina and Christie are the best positioned..... Have you been paying attention? Have you listened to any of these people speak? Do they are any of the other GOP candidates really differ that much from Trump on the major issues?
Trump is louder and more crude--but they all are in the same boat. And its scary.
Unfortunately, you are not an "honest broker" when it comes to the Republican party. You are still living in Ronald Reagan's era.
But to suggest that Rubio, Fiorina and Christie are the best positioned..... Have you been paying attention? Have you listened to any of these people speak? Do they are any of the other GOP candidates really differ that much from Trump on the major issues?
Trump is louder and more crude--but they all are in the same boat. And its scary.
Unfortunately, you are not an "honest broker" when it comes to the Republican party. You are still living in Ronald Reagan's era.
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This column just seems like wishful thinking on the part of a moderate Republican. He touts the candidates he wish would capture the hearts and minds of his party, not the ones who actually are doing it.
Fiorina lies about her resume and her career. She lies about her success at HP. She lies about Planned Parenthood. A typical GOP success story. Rubio still hasn't made to middle school class president, but as he Gatling-guns his learned phrases he shows promise in fitting the GOP model.
It's no surprise that people want alternatives to the DC-GOP gang. In spite of the propaganda, they get the message that the GOP has thrown sand in the gears of DC--or a truck load of sabots. But such people don't actually realize how that gang has been crafted by decades of lies and distortions originating outside DC.
Trump, the birther-in-chief, has not been called to task for his crimes of endangering the mental health of minors--and old white folks. As Quayle said, a mind is a terrible thing...
It's no surprise that people want alternatives to the DC-GOP gang. In spite of the propaganda, they get the message that the GOP has thrown sand in the gears of DC--or a truck load of sabots. But such people don't actually realize how that gang has been crafted by decades of lies and distortions originating outside DC.
Trump, the birther-in-chief, has not been called to task for his crimes of endangering the mental health of minors--and old white folks. As Quayle said, a mind is a terrible thing...
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"You can’t actually defund Planned Parenthood or end Obamacare if you don’t control the White House"
....and therein lies the problem. The Republican ideology is so out of touch, hateful and alienated, that somehow they think both are worthy goals.
Stop for one red second and think about those twin goals: 1) Remove health insurance from millions of people enjoing medical care for the first time and 2) Do the double whammy of removing funding from an organization that provides a wide set of services to women (and their families) on the lower end of the scale.
Even doing away with abortion would hit this crowd particularly hard.
But the Republican Party is so incredibly shameless that they can stand there and beat their chests with that drum AT THE SAME TIME they support tax cuts for rich and "peoplehood" for the corporations.
The gall of these people is astounding.
This is a party that drinks it's own KoolAid and doesn't examine the contents. A party that claims to want government out of our lives, all the while inflicting their archaic code of behavior on everyone else. These so called libertarians could not offer more government intrusion than going into our bedrooms, down our pants, and up our wombs.
They lack civility.
They have no manners.
They lie like drunkards before a judge.
Shut down government? Let's throw the baby out with the bath water.
Your party has issues, my friend, and they go deeper than the window dressing you discuss.
....and therein lies the problem. The Republican ideology is so out of touch, hateful and alienated, that somehow they think both are worthy goals.
Stop for one red second and think about those twin goals: 1) Remove health insurance from millions of people enjoing medical care for the first time and 2) Do the double whammy of removing funding from an organization that provides a wide set of services to women (and their families) on the lower end of the scale.
Even doing away with abortion would hit this crowd particularly hard.
But the Republican Party is so incredibly shameless that they can stand there and beat their chests with that drum AT THE SAME TIME they support tax cuts for rich and "peoplehood" for the corporations.
The gall of these people is astounding.
This is a party that drinks it's own KoolAid and doesn't examine the contents. A party that claims to want government out of our lives, all the while inflicting their archaic code of behavior on everyone else. These so called libertarians could not offer more government intrusion than going into our bedrooms, down our pants, and up our wombs.
They lack civility.
They have no manners.
They lie like drunkards before a judge.
Shut down government? Let's throw the baby out with the bath water.
Your party has issues, my friend, and they go deeper than the window dressing you discuss.
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These Republican debates should begin with one question.
"Please answer with a simple yes or no....do you generally believe in the Darwin theory of evolution? Yes or no?"
That would separate the people are of science and reason from the people who are led by Ancient Scriptures. The Republicans who would answer that they accept the Darwin Evolution theory could never win the Republican primary and those who are in the creationist camp could never win a national election.
The Republican Party is now a party of theology and is no longer a Party of science and reason. Too bad.
"Please answer with a simple yes or no....do you generally believe in the Darwin theory of evolution? Yes or no?"
That would separate the people are of science and reason from the people who are led by Ancient Scriptures. The Republicans who would answer that they accept the Darwin Evolution theory could never win the Republican primary and those who are in the creationist camp could never win a national election.
The Republican Party is now a party of theology and is no longer a Party of science and reason. Too bad.
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Doesn't matter. They are all climate change deniers.
Every republican voter is insuring a future of climate catastrophe for our children and their children.
Vote Dem and we might have a chance.
Every republican voter is insuring a future of climate catastrophe for our children and their children.
Vote Dem and we might have a chance.
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After reading this apology for the incomprehensible inability of any of the Republican Candidates to deal with actual issues, outside of imperatives of parochial cranks and anti government Know Nothing's, I have to conclude that Mr. Brooks has no idea why his fellow Conservatives are acting up, and acting out, to their own and everyone else's detriment...if not embarrassment.
My take on this is that Conservatives are not actually able to be elected because they are obviously not Conservative. They have found themselves as the logic of the The New Republican Majority, which was rooted in the Southern Strategy, to have become trapped in the backwaters of the unreconstructed Southern Soul. They have blatantly become victims of their own device, and most of us bounce between mirth and consternation at the spectre of Conservatives, who act like what most of the rest of us think of as whackos.
While we can only laugh, Brooks can only fantasise about what the GOP once was because he has no choice in this. He must be one with them or he will have lost all standing, and what is a NYT Columnist without standing?
I would hate to be a Republican Candidate if reality were important to me. Certainly, all of them can't really be holy rollers and anarchists! But once we get past the obvious crackpots like Huckabee and Cruz, the best that Brooks can find to represent for his kind of elite is Rubio who just makes up "Foreign Policy," and Fiorina, who recently noticed that she is a woman.
My take on this is that Conservatives are not actually able to be elected because they are obviously not Conservative. They have found themselves as the logic of the The New Republican Majority, which was rooted in the Southern Strategy, to have become trapped in the backwaters of the unreconstructed Southern Soul. They have blatantly become victims of their own device, and most of us bounce between mirth and consternation at the spectre of Conservatives, who act like what most of the rest of us think of as whackos.
While we can only laugh, Brooks can only fantasise about what the GOP once was because he has no choice in this. He must be one with them or he will have lost all standing, and what is a NYT Columnist without standing?
I would hate to be a Republican Candidate if reality were important to me. Certainly, all of them can't really be holy rollers and anarchists! But once we get past the obvious crackpots like Huckabee and Cruz, the best that Brooks can find to represent for his kind of elite is Rubio who just makes up "Foreign Policy," and Fiorina, who recently noticed that she is a woman.
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What we have here is a total lack of leadership coupled with the peoples desire to find someone they can believe in. It seems that the more Americans move away from practicing religion the more we lose moral values and the more desperate we become. Their professed religion needs to hold the candidates accountable for saying they belong and practice it. When a elected officials run on have a religious belief, than their religion should call them out when they violate their religious teachings by practicing equality and immoral values. Politicians should support government policy that may differ from religious views, but should not profess to have values while support ing immorality, greed and harming rather tan serving.
Your article was lacking a VERY big aspect of Fiorina being a candidate on the Republican ticket. She was so incompetent as a CEO that her merger with Compaq was a disaster. Over 30000 US citizens lost their jobs. She outsourced jobs overseas. (check out the commercial that Sen Boxer ran against her in California Senate race. Carly lost by over a million votes)
The value of HP stock dropped over 50% during her tenure as a "leader". She has not held a corporate leadership position since then. She was FIRED for cause! Prof Sonnenfeld of Yale was correct. By the way, he is not working for Clinton as Carly claimed but in fact is working with several Republicans according to an interview he did on MSNBC with Lawrence O'Donnell last night. The only reason she was in the debate was affirmative action and to be a female attack person against Clinton.
By the way, in the Senate race against Sen. Boxer, Fiorina attacked Senator Boxer's "appearance". She was factually incorrect in most of her assertions in the debate. Just because you a forceful and incorrect, you are still incorrect!
The value of HP stock dropped over 50% during her tenure as a "leader". She has not held a corporate leadership position since then. She was FIRED for cause! Prof Sonnenfeld of Yale was correct. By the way, he is not working for Clinton as Carly claimed but in fact is working with several Republicans according to an interview he did on MSNBC with Lawrence O'Donnell last night. The only reason she was in the debate was affirmative action and to be a female attack person against Clinton.
By the way, in the Senate race against Sen. Boxer, Fiorina attacked Senator Boxer's "appearance". She was factually incorrect in most of her assertions in the debate. Just because you a forceful and incorrect, you are still incorrect!
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"The socially insecure rise and applaud as he insults the people they’d never have the guts to take on themselves." Like women. Or minorities. The insecurity these people feel is the challenge to their presumption of privilege, the only card they have.
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So the Republicans did not "fall in love" with Reagan? I can't think of any other politician of the last 50 years that was revered so blindly & slavishly (by his followers). And they have even spent the last 30 years campaigning to rewrite history & pretend that he was universally revered, when half the country thought he was a very unfunny joke.
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Mr. Brooks, I'm surprised you are so gullible. Polished and well-rehearsed, Rubio and Fiorina were merely playing to the far right, parroting talking points and relaying personal histories that masked the fact that neither of them have any real substance. They were slick and serious while the rest of the pack attempted to pop out quotable zingers and display a sense of humor. I, for one, was not fooled by this performance. Fiorina/Rubio or Rubio/Fiorina is a shallow ticket. But I can see how any Republican might be looking for any glimmer of hope considering the gaggle of bottom feeders.
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Mr Brooks, you need new glasses.
Carly Fiorina is a poster child for The Peter Principle or "managers rise to their level of incompetence". To call the tragedy of her tenure at HP spotty is the understatement of the year. As to electability- she tried to buy herself a Senate seat in our most populous state and was trounced by Barbara Boxer. If she is on the ticket you can write off California.
Marco Rubio- like Hillary Clinton- has one overarching vision for America: his backside parked in the Oval Office Chair. His life looks like that of a man with no core convictions & would be prime meat for opposition research. To many voters he will always be the waterboy- the Republican Senator that dove for water on live national TV- a not ready for prime time move if there ever was one.
The Republican electorate has a crush on the CEO type & that model does not work well in Washington. CEOs in most companies are dictators and given wide authority and even shape the company board- the only real accountability they have. A President is a very different type of executive.
Governor John Kasich of Ohio is the only serious candidate they have and he is not the moderate he purports to be. His hand was slapped by voters when he tried to attack Unions in the current Republican model and would gut Social Security & Medicare according to the Pete Peterson model. I would love to see Kasich versus Bernie Sanders in the general.
The Republicans are going to lose another one.
Carly Fiorina is a poster child for The Peter Principle or "managers rise to their level of incompetence". To call the tragedy of her tenure at HP spotty is the understatement of the year. As to electability- she tried to buy herself a Senate seat in our most populous state and was trounced by Barbara Boxer. If she is on the ticket you can write off California.
Marco Rubio- like Hillary Clinton- has one overarching vision for America: his backside parked in the Oval Office Chair. His life looks like that of a man with no core convictions & would be prime meat for opposition research. To many voters he will always be the waterboy- the Republican Senator that dove for water on live national TV- a not ready for prime time move if there ever was one.
The Republican electorate has a crush on the CEO type & that model does not work well in Washington. CEOs in most companies are dictators and given wide authority and even shape the company board- the only real accountability they have. A President is a very different type of executive.
Governor John Kasich of Ohio is the only serious candidate they have and he is not the moderate he purports to be. His hand was slapped by voters when he tried to attack Unions in the current Republican model and would gut Social Security & Medicare according to the Pete Peterson model. I would love to see Kasich versus Bernie Sanders in the general.
The Republicans are going to lose another one.
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Rather than try to predict who will be the nominees, why not do a critical analysis of what they think?
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Let's be honest, the Republicans have no candidate. Mr. Brooks is digging deep to find anything positive to say about any one of these wannabes. The debaters cut a swath of lies, incompetence, and braggadocio, but not one came forth with ideas that could actually be implemented. Until the GOP sets the bar higher, develops a social conscience, and shows respect for those whose votes they seek, they will continue to lose.
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If Fiorina was a male, everyone would be laughing at the candidate's
self-aggrandizing and saying she achieved a great success at HP. Much analysis has been down clearly detailing that the purchase of Compaq Computer Corp. was one horrific executive error. With no government experience, she had the audacity to run for Senate too, and failed at that. And never mind that Lucent was on the verge of bankruptcy with the skills of Russo and Fiorina. If Fiorina is the Republican candidate, I will vote for Clinton (if she makes it) despite being very much anti her. Simply, Fiorina is a distraction and is wasting everyone's time with the noise she is making. She is unqualified for the presidential office as much as Sarah Palin was in 2008, being McCain's folly. Hopefully Fiorina will not be the 2016 Republican folly.
self-aggrandizing and saying she achieved a great success at HP. Much analysis has been down clearly detailing that the purchase of Compaq Computer Corp. was one horrific executive error. With no government experience, she had the audacity to run for Senate too, and failed at that. And never mind that Lucent was on the verge of bankruptcy with the skills of Russo and Fiorina. If Fiorina is the Republican candidate, I will vote for Clinton (if she makes it) despite being very much anti her. Simply, Fiorina is a distraction and is wasting everyone's time with the noise she is making. She is unqualified for the presidential office as much as Sarah Palin was in 2008, being McCain's folly. Hopefully Fiorina will not be the 2016 Republican folly.
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Re: The debate
You don't mention how Rubio used part of his time at the debate to essentially admit that his tenure in the Senate has been a waste of time (it isn't the first time he's given up in frustration while in elected office; check out his service on the West Miami City Commission in 1998), or how Fiorina's description of the Planned Parent 'fetus on the table' video was a bald-face lie. There is no such video.
You don't mention how Rubio used part of his time at the debate to essentially admit that his tenure in the Senate has been a waste of time (it isn't the first time he's given up in frustration while in elected office; check out his service on the West Miami City Commission in 1998), or how Fiorina's description of the Planned Parent 'fetus on the table' video was a bald-face lie. There is no such video.
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With Rubio you get what the GOP complained about with Pres. Obama, a one term senator with no executive experience. Also a hardline ideologue who would lead us back into another middle east war. Fiorina is a failed executive whose whole persona makes Hilary look genial, so much for the new generation GOP. Their best bet is still either Bush or Kasich.
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If I had to vote for a republican, it would be Kasich.
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In meeting the husband of a friend in the Bronx yesterday, a hard-working bill collector for a huge U.S. corporation in communications, we decided that politics as a topic of discussion is best left off the map. He added that he kept a picture of President Obama in his office, which I told him was brave, since he is probably the least popular president in American history.
I vote for the best person, and not the Party, he responded. After President Carter, I chose Reagan over Mondale to my regret (at least you voted, which is more than I did, and was brought to my attention that it was my responsibility). It is your responsibility, he replied soberly, and the Country is about to vote Republican again.
I met several men yesterday on my travels to the rural country region of NY. They were helpful in different ways, carrying lumber, giving tips on where to find bargains, driving the road carefully. There were pleasantries exchanged, good will and hand-shakes, but at the end of the day, it is the first man, the one of character in the Bronx, that gave me the right directions to reach the country that I admired most. Nothing gaga, or juvenile about this individual, with his head on his shoulders.
Perhaps Will-Power helps one along in life in small ways, and I was not surprised that I did not struggle to read about Donald Trump these last few days. The Media is having some sort of love-hate fest with him, it is becoming a stale joke to mention his name.
I vote for the best person, and not the Party, he responded. After President Carter, I chose Reagan over Mondale to my regret (at least you voted, which is more than I did, and was brought to my attention that it was my responsibility). It is your responsibility, he replied soberly, and the Country is about to vote Republican again.
I met several men yesterday on my travels to the rural country region of NY. They were helpful in different ways, carrying lumber, giving tips on where to find bargains, driving the road carefully. There were pleasantries exchanged, good will and hand-shakes, but at the end of the day, it is the first man, the one of character in the Bronx, that gave me the right directions to reach the country that I admired most. Nothing gaga, or juvenile about this individual, with his head on his shoulders.
Perhaps Will-Power helps one along in life in small ways, and I was not surprised that I did not struggle to read about Donald Trump these last few days. The Media is having some sort of love-hate fest with him, it is becoming a stale joke to mention his name.
Just what we need, Rubio, a genius who oversimplifies, a true Oxymoron of foreign policy.
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Both Bill Clinton & Ronald Reagan were governors before they became president thus there wasn't any political difference between them except that Clinton was a Rhodes scholar at Oxford & graduate with a J.D. magna cum laude from Harvard Law school while beloved Ronnie Reagan attended Dixon High School & graduated from Eureka college with a "C" average, then became a B actor before becoming governor of California. Reagan was also a Democrat before he became wealthy and was discovered ala' Marilyn Monroe by Corporate interests.
Jeb! Bush was on board the defund Planned Parenthood steam engine enthusiastically proclaiming that he defunded it during his tenure as governor of Florida. Also, as Donald Trump clumsily pointed out, Bush was proud of gutting women's health clinics. His obvious disinterest in women's & people of color's rights was displayed by his choice of Britain's "Iron Lady" Margaret Thatcher as an icon on the American $10 dollar bill.
What ordinary working class Republicans have finally figured out is that Republicans don't have their best interests at heart once they reach office as proven by the lack of efficacy by Tea Party politicians in Congress. Mr. Trump offers something larger than Koch's secret hand in government, which is the fantasy that he'll make them fabulously huge winners instead of common losers under the current GOP system. Carly Fiorina is just another GOP politician who speaks about cutting taxes while talking tough war tribe speak.
Jeb! Bush was on board the defund Planned Parenthood steam engine enthusiastically proclaiming that he defunded it during his tenure as governor of Florida. Also, as Donald Trump clumsily pointed out, Bush was proud of gutting women's health clinics. His obvious disinterest in women's & people of color's rights was displayed by his choice of Britain's "Iron Lady" Margaret Thatcher as an icon on the American $10 dollar bill.
What ordinary working class Republicans have finally figured out is that Republicans don't have their best interests at heart once they reach office as proven by the lack of efficacy by Tea Party politicians in Congress. Mr. Trump offers something larger than Koch's secret hand in government, which is the fantasy that he'll make them fabulously huge winners instead of common losers under the current GOP system. Carly Fiorina is just another GOP politician who speaks about cutting taxes while talking tough war tribe speak.
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As a very liberal Democrat, I would love to see Carly Fiorina on the Republican ticket. The high point of her resume is running the once-proud Hewlett-Packard into the ground, costing about 30,000 people their jobs and robbing many of pensions, and walking away with $100 million. Oh, and committing several counts of wiretapping against her own board of directors in the process. The attack ads basically write themselves!
Also, say what you will about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, but both of them have shown they know how to win elections and serve in government. Donald Trump, Ben Carson, and Carly Fiorina, by contrast, have never won an election, and two of them have never even seriously tried before while one lost in a landslide.
So go ahead, put her on the ticket. She'll be at least as much help as Sarah Palin.
Also, say what you will about Hillary Clinton and Bernie Sanders, but both of them have shown they know how to win elections and serve in government. Donald Trump, Ben Carson, and Carly Fiorina, by contrast, have never won an election, and two of them have never even seriously tried before while one lost in a landslide.
So go ahead, put her on the ticket. She'll be at least as much help as Sarah Palin.
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Unlike most of those posting comments, I am a Republican, and I agree with David Brooks. The best ticket is Rubio-Fiorina. They have my enthusiastic support. Republican voters in Pennsylvania often don't count for much in Presidential elections, because the Democratic vote from Philadelphia buries everything else that is more or less evenly divided. However, Hilary Clinton will never get the kind of massive vote counts out of Philadelphia that Barack Obama got, nor could Bernie Sanders. Whether that puts Pennsylvania in play in the 2016 presidential race is an open question - Pennsylvanians love splitting their ticket, and in the collar suburbs around Philadelphia where I live, who the candidates are really matters. But Marco Rubio has the potential to be an outstanding leader, all negative posts herein notwithstanding.
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"But Marco Rubio has the potential to be an outstanding leader..."
And you base that on what? At least the "negative posts herein" can support their claims. For example: Rubio has repeatedly fabricated his family's story, and he has a billionaire sugar-daddy who is keeping him afloat, a story Rubio would prefer not to talk about.
I know a middle school student who has the potential to be an outstanding leader. That doesn't qualify her for president of the United States. Though according to your claim, she apparently has a shot in the "collar suburbs around Philadelphia."
And you base that on what? At least the "negative posts herein" can support their claims. For example: Rubio has repeatedly fabricated his family's story, and he has a billionaire sugar-daddy who is keeping him afloat, a story Rubio would prefer not to talk about.
I know a middle school student who has the potential to be an outstanding leader. That doesn't qualify her for president of the United States. Though according to your claim, she apparently has a shot in the "collar suburbs around Philadelphia."
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Tom, thank you for your post. I am a long-time citizen of Philadelphia and I am registered as a Democrat there. However, as you say of Pennsylvania voters in general, I always split my vote at the polls. Right now, I cannot muster even a bit of support for Clinton. As a personality, I like Sanders a lot, but could never go as far to the left as he is. I think Biden is already risen way above his level of competency. So the Pennsylvania primary will be problematic for me. However, in the general election, probably I will vote for the Republican ticket - but only if it has two people that I can trust even a little bit. So far, I am utterly unimpressed with any of them except for Rubio and Carson. Carson cannot win the nomination, let alone the election. Rubio could win the election if he were to win the nomination.
As a Democrat, I agree with you that Rubio is an appealing candidate. However, you cannot separate a candidate from his/her policies, and that is where his fatal flaw lies. No exceptions for abortion, not even for rape or incest? Those attack ads write themselves. Also, his personal financial life has been, from what I've read, slightly messy. And if the far right of the Republican Party continues to wreak havoc in Congress, the Democratic nominee will be able to point to that and say, "You want to give these people complete control of the US government?"
Nonetheless, it was exceedingly refreshing to read a comment from a Republican voter that wasn't filled with invective or insults, so thank you for your thoughtful response.
Nonetheless, it was exceedingly refreshing to read a comment from a Republican voter that wasn't filled with invective or insults, so thank you for your thoughtful response.
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I go for a candidate whose message is not wrapped up in anger and bile.
I was stunned when boyish-looking, allegedly mild-mannered Marco Rubio went off on that bitter riff about how America wasn't the planet and he wasn't going to lift a finger against climate change because doing anything would cripple the American economy. I guess he's for creating the kind of mop up jobs you get after a wildfire has ravaged your state or fracking has poisoned a multi-state aquifer after it's shaken down many an un-reinforced structure in the flyover zone. I also heard him say he was quitting the Senate in disgust because you can't get anything to happen there and he nurtures that kind of Cold War hatred for an ailing Fidel Castro that once brought us a CIA that roiled Latin America in very undemocratic ways. I'm too old and too jaded to want a cold warrior running my country however fresh he looks and sounds.
Fiorina, too, harbors a vicious resentment within her for having been fired from HP. Golly, she couldn't make it has the leader of a Fortune 500 company, so why not strike out to win the most powerful job post in the solar system? Do not downplay her vituperative accusation that Obama and Clinton were complicit in the dismembering of live fetuses, not her full on Bitch Lady swipes at Hillary Clinton. Anyone who constantly name drops the name of her good friend Bibi Netanyahu is harboring a serious inferiority complex.
John Kasich, anyone? At least he's not seething inside.
I was stunned when boyish-looking, allegedly mild-mannered Marco Rubio went off on that bitter riff about how America wasn't the planet and he wasn't going to lift a finger against climate change because doing anything would cripple the American economy. I guess he's for creating the kind of mop up jobs you get after a wildfire has ravaged your state or fracking has poisoned a multi-state aquifer after it's shaken down many an un-reinforced structure in the flyover zone. I also heard him say he was quitting the Senate in disgust because you can't get anything to happen there and he nurtures that kind of Cold War hatred for an ailing Fidel Castro that once brought us a CIA that roiled Latin America in very undemocratic ways. I'm too old and too jaded to want a cold warrior running my country however fresh he looks and sounds.
Fiorina, too, harbors a vicious resentment within her for having been fired from HP. Golly, she couldn't make it has the leader of a Fortune 500 company, so why not strike out to win the most powerful job post in the solar system? Do not downplay her vituperative accusation that Obama and Clinton were complicit in the dismembering of live fetuses, not her full on Bitch Lady swipes at Hillary Clinton. Anyone who constantly name drops the name of her good friend Bibi Netanyahu is harboring a serious inferiority complex.
John Kasich, anyone? At least he's not seething inside.
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Carla Fiorina? The person who blamed the California drought on environmentalists? Marco Rubio? The one who has explicitly and repeatedly rejected climate science? Sorry David, they are all square wheels.
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I call these unhappy conservatives "13 year old fogeys" They are like adolescent "13 year old" kids who can't stand being told what to do, even though their parents know more than they do. They are "old fogeys" because they miss the good old days when everything was better.
David, you forgot your medication again, didn't you? If Graham, Kasich and Bush "live within the confines of reality" you're really in trouble. Graham is a polite militarist, Kasich is a closet theocrat, and Bush is a lightweight who had more support when no one really knew him. Now that he has been exposed to the light of day, it is possible to believe that he has less capacity than his brother did. Fiorina apparently would like to threaten a war with everyone, disregarding that rather than merely cowing in fear, those threatened will increase their military capacity, which leads to the obvious escalations. And Rubio's best qualifications are that he is good looking, has a good speaking voice, and is obviously respectful of his ancestors. He's read the policy handouts, but he does not understand them nor would he have any capacity to create meaningful change to effect improvement. No doubt the Democrats seemed vulnerable with Clinton leading the ticket when this campaign began, which led to so many Republicans seeking the nomination. But the buffoonery, the hatefulness, and the absence of anything resembling leadership qualities of the 15 candidates has elevated Clinton's stature, intelligence, and qualification. For the Republicans, just as in 2008 and 2012, everything is going sideways.
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The neo-Tea Party (what constitutes now the "core" of the GOP - and the brewers of the cool-aid that Rubio/Fiorina/Carson/... have drunk) is using the Cheney/Bush/Crystal(CBC) Middle East model but applied to the US economy and foreign policy - blow it all up and let free-markets/limited-government/US-primacy rebuild what's left. What I don't understand is how they can be so naive and fail to see how that model failed in the Middle East. It wasn't Obama's fault, in fact their model incorporated no real role for US boots-on-the-ground, Democracy was to be hailed throughout the region as a liberating force for all. Here and now in this country, the GOP core seems to be willing to throw caution and common sense to the wind, break everything, and trust that their minimalism will prevail. If they succeed, life here will imitate (hopefully not to the same harsh, deadly degree) life there - a tragic, avoidable, transitional chaos will reign until we come to our senses and the GOP notion of conservatism is routed.
Rubio, Fiorina, Christie. That's the triumvirate that staggers to its feet after the Trump inspired three hour food fight. I'm sure Brooks shivered violently as he tapped out those names.
David,
Over the years I have had considerable respect for your intellect and thoughtful commentaries. That ended today. If you, as a Republican, can write such a glib column about the spectacle referred to as a debate, then you have descended to their middle school level of pathetic competition.
Why aren't you outraged at Carly Fiorina's lies and her threats to the world? Who is your fact checker? Can't you at least comment on Rubio's "America is not a planet" statement?
The circus we saw spent no time on the critical issues facing us: income equality, climate change, energy policy...
What has happened to you? You are drinking the Kool Aid. To say that the debate was an embarrassment would be starter.
Over the years I have had considerable respect for your intellect and thoughtful commentaries. That ended today. If you, as a Republican, can write such a glib column about the spectacle referred to as a debate, then you have descended to their middle school level of pathetic competition.
Why aren't you outraged at Carly Fiorina's lies and her threats to the world? Who is your fact checker? Can't you at least comment on Rubio's "America is not a planet" statement?
The circus we saw spent no time on the critical issues facing us: income equality, climate change, energy policy...
What has happened to you? You are drinking the Kool Aid. To say that the debate was an embarrassment would be starter.
If that's Mr. Brooks' pick, let's write it down and see if he's right. Maybe, and maybe it's a potent ticket, tactically and demographically smart. But there remain multiple hurdles. Rubio, for all his articulateness and apparent knowledge, has accomplished virtually nothing in the Senate. His one opportunity to lead, when part of a bipartisan attempt to reform immigration, he personally sabotaged when he thought his Presidential ambitions would be hurt. And, he's openly checked out of the Senate. Fiorina is obviously accomplished, articulate, and intelligent, but for many people, her personal enrichment at HP (and her golden parachute) will stand in stark contrast to their day to day struggles--and the struggles of those she laid off. And, she has a real edge to her--as good as she was on Wednesday, there will times she strayed into Cruz territory. Righteous indignation and zingers may not always sell well. The problem with the GOP ticket--and it's a problem with Democrats as well--is that we have turned politics into such a nasty food-fight, so personal, so ugly, that good and accomplished people turn away from it. We are left with too many operators, too many score-settlers, too many people who have lost their bearings and placed ambition above the common good.
Mr. Brooks pointing out the idiocy of the GOP candidates and the party's crazy base is interesting, but his belief that the party will ultimately come to its senses and nominate the least of the clowns is wishful thinking and fantasy.
As many have observed, since the 1980's, the GOP has nurtured a base of ignorance, hatred of others, self-destructiveness, and aggressiveness. This base is beyond reason, cannot be educated to the truth and cannot be restrained from voicing and voting its boiling anger and hatred.
The only hope going forward if to never let a Republican occupy the White House. The only way to end America's destructive non-governance is to remove Republicans from the Congress and every other elective office, and most important, replace them on the Supreme Court.
To save ourselves we need sane people, Democrats and Independents, to go to the polls. That is the only way to prove that democracy works, self-governance is possible, and as Lincoln said, "...a government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth."
As many have observed, since the 1980's, the GOP has nurtured a base of ignorance, hatred of others, self-destructiveness, and aggressiveness. This base is beyond reason, cannot be educated to the truth and cannot be restrained from voicing and voting its boiling anger and hatred.
The only hope going forward if to never let a Republican occupy the White House. The only way to end America's destructive non-governance is to remove Republicans from the Congress and every other elective office, and most important, replace them on the Supreme Court.
To save ourselves we need sane people, Democrats and Independents, to go to the polls. That is the only way to prove that democracy works, self-governance is possible, and as Lincoln said, "...a government of the people, by the people, for the people shall not perish from the earth."
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Dream on, David, dream on.
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Mr. Brooks, you simply cannot make gold out of base metal. There is no getting around it, base metal is all that you have to work with. There isn't even a glimmer of a trace of gold anywhere in this cornucopia of candidates. Some of them are better and stronger base metal than others and probably would not bend easily, but base metal is what it is.
These people who want to have a non-government type become POTUS are the very ones who have slimed and denigrated President Obama for being "nothing but a community organizer" and overlooking all his other accomplishments and his depth of knowledge about politics and law. And yet they are willing to follow a man whose main source of work has been doing deals in real estate, building casinos and golf courses, and who hasn't seriously read a book about anything in years. They are willing to follow a woman who would turn back the clock for women's rights, who damaged a good company, Compaq and, in effect, caused the loss of 30,000+ jobs while walking away with millions in "compensation" for nearly destroying the company which fired her.
As long as I live, I will not understand why a man of your intelligence and caliber of political knowledge even remains a Republican.
These people who want to have a non-government type become POTUS are the very ones who have slimed and denigrated President Obama for being "nothing but a community organizer" and overlooking all his other accomplishments and his depth of knowledge about politics and law. And yet they are willing to follow a man whose main source of work has been doing deals in real estate, building casinos and golf courses, and who hasn't seriously read a book about anything in years. They are willing to follow a woman who would turn back the clock for women's rights, who damaged a good company, Compaq and, in effect, caused the loss of 30,000+ jobs while walking away with millions in "compensation" for nearly destroying the company which fired her.
As long as I live, I will not understand why a man of your intelligence and caliber of political knowledge even remains a Republican.
David, what is stunning about your pointing to Rubio?FIorina is how you absolutely ignore their refutation of science (Creationism vs, Evolution for Rubio & Fiorina's lies about Planned Parenthood) That pandering in seeming desperation for a decent candidate by the GOP will only justifiably hasten its loss.
How about some real economic plans from anyone?
How about some real economic plans from anyone?
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Mr. Brooks seems desperate. He is trying to salvage something from the Republican implosion. But he can't. The Republican party is fracturing into at least two parties or social movements: a business person's party represented by John Kasich, Jeb Bush, and Lindsay Graham, and a right-wing xenophobic party represented by many of the other candidates.
As Hegel famously said, "The Owl of Minerva takes flight at dusk." I envy the historians and political scientists who will try to make sense of this phenomena and its context 30 years from now.
As Hegel famously said, "The Owl of Minerva takes flight at dusk." I envy the historians and political scientists who will try to make sense of this phenomena and its context 30 years from now.
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The current GOP mess is Fox News' own creation. Fox News continually offered Trump a platform to run his silly "birther" campaign while fanning the flames for the T-party. Fox News also continually mistook Obama's cautious and measured approach to foreign policy as being "whimpish" while they sang praises for the bully from Russia who like many at Fox News admire those who simply start wars.
Any fool can start a war. While the GOP (the party of NO) is against the present Iran Treaty, at least now we have 15 year to build better relationships in the mid-east. This is a far better way of doing things. The last time we tried to do something in Iran was 1953 when we overthrew their president and put in our proxy the Shah (which was done during a Republican presidency). We ended up with cheap oil and the current bloody mess. Was it really worth it?
Fox News needs to stop this drum beating of silly causes such as if Obama is a citizen and questioning his religion (at yesterday's NH rally for Trump someone declared that Obama is a Muslim - how terribly mistaken and sad). The news ought not to be entertainment and we all might need to push back and demand more from both the media and ourselves.
Any fool can start a war. While the GOP (the party of NO) is against the present Iran Treaty, at least now we have 15 year to build better relationships in the mid-east. This is a far better way of doing things. The last time we tried to do something in Iran was 1953 when we overthrew their president and put in our proxy the Shah (which was done during a Republican presidency). We ended up with cheap oil and the current bloody mess. Was it really worth it?
Fox News needs to stop this drum beating of silly causes such as if Obama is a citizen and questioning his religion (at yesterday's NH rally for Trump someone declared that Obama is a Muslim - how terribly mistaken and sad). The news ought not to be entertainment and we all might need to push back and demand more from both the media and ourselves.
I see so many commenters attacking the author and the candidates he pseudo-endorsed interspersed with almost proud statements that they "went nowhere near the debate". If you watched both debates then such feedback is productive, but if you avoided them (or maybe worse, watched or read about cherry-picked pieces created to fuel ignorance) then you have no basis for the types of statements being made. I for one went in to the debates fully expecting to see a robotic, appeasing Rubio and a colder-version-of-Trump Fiorina but was pleasantly surprised by both of them. Rubio is in fact sharp, thoughtful and knowledgeable, prepared, and well spoken (though his performance was not perfect...e.g. his ill-advised joke in the opening statement). Fiorina's demeanor appears more strong-willed and determined than cold. Neither candidate nor Mr. Brook's analysis is flawless. However, this article provides insight from someone who clearly DID watch the debates with a (mostly) open mind, something I would highly suggest.
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I often tend to agree with you, as I do today, kind of. You did not say anything about Carson, why? While an outstanding man in scrubs, his view of the world is through a biblical prism (including a young Earth) that is unacceptable to all but some evangelicals. Years ago, Jindal was reasonable, what happened? Christie, who has introduced some honesty in the argument, unfortunately is an undeniable bully. Jeb and Scott are boooorrrriiinnnggg.
What you say about Marco and Carly is probably right, but I don't think they can get elected unless the world changes a bit more than it is likely to. Marco steadfastly believes that every pregnancy should go full term. Murderer me, I don't want anyone to bear a child they do not want or can't take care of. Everyone is left worse off, mother, child, us. Marco also seems to be a climate denier and his backing away, for political reasons, from his own immigration bill shows chicken feathers. Carly is sharp, and does not offend, but to hawkish for mainstream.
The best ticket in my mind is Kasich and Fiorina. From what I can tell, for non crazy folks, most of his positions are reasoably within GOP guidelines. He has a sense of humor. He has a good record. But above all, he got 2/3rds of the vote in a genuine "purple" state that is considered a must win for the GOP. That is the clincher, Kasich can bring in Independents and Democrats that don't like Hillary. Case closed.
What you say about Marco and Carly is probably right, but I don't think they can get elected unless the world changes a bit more than it is likely to. Marco steadfastly believes that every pregnancy should go full term. Murderer me, I don't want anyone to bear a child they do not want or can't take care of. Everyone is left worse off, mother, child, us. Marco also seems to be a climate denier and his backing away, for political reasons, from his own immigration bill shows chicken feathers. Carly is sharp, and does not offend, but to hawkish for mainstream.
The best ticket in my mind is Kasich and Fiorina. From what I can tell, for non crazy folks, most of his positions are reasoably within GOP guidelines. He has a sense of humor. He has a good record. But above all, he got 2/3rds of the vote in a genuine "purple" state that is considered a must win for the GOP. That is the clincher, Kasich can bring in Independents and Democrats that don't like Hillary. Case closed.
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The notion of nominating someone like Fiorina, who virtually ran HP into the ground (and don't try to offer specifics stating otherwise, because the old adage is true: if you're explaining, you're losing), is not the slam-dunk some now thing, not in a country with this low-level hum of anxiety over job security and unemployment. Despite what those like Brooks with job security think, the idea of losing one's job in today's economy is downright terrifying. Fiorina embodies that as much as or more than Mitt Romney. Her record at HP, however mixed or complicated it may be, will be reduced to "she destroyed the company and laid of tens of thousands and was fired with a severance package of $25 million." That will NOT play well. Ask Barbara Boxer. She used it to devastating effect.
In my eyes. Kasich and Rubio were the only two viable candidates on that stage, and by viable I mean they didn't scare the pants off me with talk of ignoring the Supreme Court and "criminalizing Christianity." But Rubio is potentially fatally wounded by his climate change denial and his no-exceptions abortion policy, neither of which will wear well with younger or educated voters.
As a Democrat, I'm not at all excited by any of the prospects. But Kasich is, at least, sane, and he was rebuked by the people of OH when he tried to guy the unions. He was likely knocked down a peg or two. I wouldn't support him, and I would probably dislike every one of his policies. But he doesn't scare me.
In my eyes. Kasich and Rubio were the only two viable candidates on that stage, and by viable I mean they didn't scare the pants off me with talk of ignoring the Supreme Court and "criminalizing Christianity." But Rubio is potentially fatally wounded by his climate change denial and his no-exceptions abortion policy, neither of which will wear well with younger or educated voters.
As a Democrat, I'm not at all excited by any of the prospects. But Kasich is, at least, sane, and he was rebuked by the people of OH when he tried to guy the unions. He was likely knocked down a peg or two. I wouldn't support him, and I would probably dislike every one of his policies. But he doesn't scare me.
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"Democrats have historically liked presidential nominees they can go gaga for, even if they lack experience: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy."
Bill Clinton, a twice-elected governor of Arkansas (and serving for over for thirteen years), according to David Brooks, lacked experience, while Ronald Reagan, serving for eight years only, merits a label of paying his dues.
Bill Clinton, a twice-elected governor of Arkansas (and serving for over for thirteen years), according to David Brooks, lacked experience, while Ronald Reagan, serving for eight years only, merits a label of paying his dues.
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The Donald Trump phenomenon is fascinating for many reasons, not least is how it reveals the total disconnect of newspaper pundits.
The only things that David Brooks and his colleagues obsess over are the very things that are not even a blip on my radar: Trump's style and personality. In a pretty impressive field of accomplished Republican candidates, the one person whose popularity certainly cannot be attributed to style and personality, the one candidate who brings to the table only substance, is Donald Trump.
And David Brooks cannot see this. Maybe I can help.
David, I want the borders closed. Everything else is meaningless to me. Carly Fiorina's face (although I like her a lot as my potential president), Rosie O'Donnel's weight, Hispanic people's wounded feelings, etc., etc., etc.---I just don't care. It's not that I want to hurt people's feelings, I just don't care.
I want the borders closed. And it seems there are a whole lot of people who think just like me. Now do you understand Trump's popularity?
The only things that David Brooks and his colleagues obsess over are the very things that are not even a blip on my radar: Trump's style and personality. In a pretty impressive field of accomplished Republican candidates, the one person whose popularity certainly cannot be attributed to style and personality, the one candidate who brings to the table only substance, is Donald Trump.
And David Brooks cannot see this. Maybe I can help.
David, I want the borders closed. Everything else is meaningless to me. Carly Fiorina's face (although I like her a lot as my potential president), Rosie O'Donnel's weight, Hispanic people's wounded feelings, etc., etc., etc.---I just don't care. It's not that I want to hurt people's feelings, I just don't care.
I want the borders closed. And it seems there are a whole lot of people who think just like me. Now do you understand Trump's popularity?
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great slogan for trump : "the candidate for people who just don't care."
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"I want the borders closed. And it seems there are a whole lot of people who think just like me. Now do you understand Trump's popularity?"
The borders are closed. Illegal immigration has dropped to virtually nothing. Now what is next?
The borders are closed. Illegal immigration has dropped to virtually nothing. Now what is next?
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While it is difficult to discern the worst of this lot, Rubio is certainly among them. Mr. Brooks confuses glibness for the ability to communicate a depth of knowledge that clearly Mr. Rubio does not possess.
The only one of the embarrassing lot of these potential "candidates" that seems like an adult is Kasich. But he has to speak in code to indicate that he is a reasonable human being and ultimately caves to the positions of the extreme Right, a requirement for being considered. Attempts to cloak any of these people as capable to be Head of State is beyond the skill set of Mr. Brooks or anyone else for that matter.
The only one of the embarrassing lot of these potential "candidates" that seems like an adult is Kasich. But he has to speak in code to indicate that he is a reasonable human being and ultimately caves to the positions of the extreme Right, a requirement for being considered. Attempts to cloak any of these people as capable to be Head of State is beyond the skill set of Mr. Brooks or anyone else for that matter.
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This is just the 72nd refrain of Mr. Brooks's favorite song: "The Republican Party Will Soon Regain Its Sanity."
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"Right now, Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie...."
Don't further demean your intellect in defense of dodos.
Don't further demean your intellect in defense of dodos.
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.."Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted..." I am 68 and Rubio may be young in looks but he speaks like some 90 year old with all the prejudices, bigotry, etc.
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I could understand this column if it was written by someone who watched fox news all day and never had the benefit of a good education. `However I imagine you did in fact need a great education to get your job so my best assumption is that you are being purposely disingenuous for the sake of your own career.
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I couldn't get past the 2nd paragraph. You're right, Brooks, Republicans do like to vote for losers, the ones who, later, become pariahs in their own society.
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Rubio said nothing insightful or mature about foreign policy, just spewed out a lot of facts about foreign policy, facts that anyone who regularly reads the papers would know, in the style of a high-school kid who wants to impress those around him.. Immature, give him 20 years...nowhere near presidential.
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David, sometimes I agree with you ...but you have lost all logic here....try again!
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What blather is this? there was no hard questions from CNN only "Miss America questions" hardly a peep about climate change. Mostly how bad Obama and Hillary are with an occasional swipe at socialism so we already know the Bernie/Stalin comparison is not far off. AND NOTHING - NOTHING! in this column about the falsehoods and lies that were tossed about as fact and truth. Mr Brooks as usual take part in the GOPs version of The emperors new clothes.
Jerry NYC
Jerry NYC
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What? You don't think W kept us safe??? Huh.
I've read several accounts of the Republican debate over the past two days. What I've found interesting is that no one seems to be holding CNN's feet to the fire for the content of the debate. With all that is happening on a global and national scale, CNN leads with and stays with what can only be viewed as juvenile, school playground tactics to stir the pot. "Trump called you names Carly, how do you respond?" John Stewart......We miss ye already.
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David Brooks is desperate.
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No mention of George Pataki - the best of the bunch.
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David, you seem like a reasonable person. When will you finally realize that there are no reasonable people left in the Republican party and come join the Democrats?
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Postcards from Brooks' alternate universe. Watch the debate tapes and stop going with the crowd. Fiorina was icy and snotty. Yes, Rubio knew about current events, but his delivery was haughty and angry. Is this who we want representing us? No thank you.
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Dear David Brooks, Your last paragraph is laughable. In spite of all the media-bubble love, Florina is, in Trump's terms, a "loser." Lost Senate race, trashed hewlett-packard. And Christie is finished: he's so hated in his home state that he can't even show up for NFL games there. Maybe Rubio, yes, but he still doesn't look ready for prime-time.
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RE "So far, Fiorina has looked like the most impressive candidate," though she doesn't get the facts straight, and, honestly, she is quite unlikable.
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David Brooks simply cannot bring himself to admit that the present crop of GOP candidates is the worst in memory and thus he is desperately trying to make some lemonade. No sense can be made of the present situation without mentioning the fact that these candidates are a reflection of reliable supporters prejudices. Those prejudices have been carefully cultivated to ensure they pay no attention to real issues and will vote for those promising to act forcefully against all those people who are destroying America, be they illegal immigrants, terrorists, Russians, ISIS, abortionists, etc. No attempt to educate voters on issues, rather inflame them for enthusiastic applause.
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Jeb! Bush lives "within the confines of reality"? Are you kidding?
His statement that his brother "kept us safe" is as delusional as your statement that Jeb! is reality-centric.
Have you forgotten who was reading "The Pet Goat" at the time of the 9/11 attack?
There is no occupant of the Republican Clown Car that is deserving of being President of the United States. They are hate-mongering, science-denying, xenophobic liars. A rogues gallery of self-satisfied egotists. It's puffery on a monumental scale.
His statement that his brother "kept us safe" is as delusional as your statement that Jeb! is reality-centric.
Have you forgotten who was reading "The Pet Goat" at the time of the 9/11 attack?
There is no occupant of the Republican Clown Car that is deserving of being President of the United States. They are hate-mongering, science-denying, xenophobic liars. A rogues gallery of self-satisfied egotists. It's puffery on a monumental scale.
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Rubio panders shamelessly to the religious zealots that appear to have never cracked open a history or science book. How can anyone take him seriously?
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America's Eva Peron: Fiorina. She sounds so convincing, like she knows what she is talking about. She does not.
Likewise, Rubio sounds like he knows what to do in regard to foreign policy to make America safe. No, he does not. He is a war monger, like we need another war like a hole in the head, both in regard to lives and money.
Likewise, Rubio sounds like he knows what to do in regard to foreign policy to make America safe. No, he does not. He is a war monger, like we need another war like a hole in the head, both in regard to lives and money.
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I can't help it David Brooks but like Rubio and Fiorina you are nuts.
Yes, certainly. As you say, Jeb Bush lives within the confines of reality. That's why he's able to say with a straight face that his brother kept us safe. Your reality, David, not mine.
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Rubio-Fiorina. A little bit of a tongue twister, but it could work!
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Chris Christie??? Wow, I didn't see that one coming. Has he suddenly been exonerated from his past difficulties in New Jersey and with the Port Authority?
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More blather!
Marco Rubio uncorrupted? Come on David, give me a break.
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Wow. The Leona Helmsley of the GOP is a front runner for the GOP Nomination? OK. Fiorina/Palin 2016. Bring it on. We reap what we sow.
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There is a direct line, David, connecting Sarah Palin and Donald Trump, and direct line connecting the Tea Party, Fox "News" and Trump's supporters. You and your fellow conservative pundits have helped to bring us to this juncture. It's time to admit your complicity and to atone for your sins.
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Rubio came off as one angry dude. He continually rails against "leftists" like he is the angry spawn of Joe McCarthy. No thank you.
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David Brooks, you got this question wrong. The answer was; "None of the above.".
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Underneath it all, I think Jeb? is actually glad Trump is in the race. It makes Jeb? look like an adult.
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While you may wish for a Rubio/Fiorina ticket, looks like your party is determined to nominate The Donald. Republicans seem to overlook and disapprove of candidates that aren't frothing at the mouth. So your theory that the G.O.P. is "not going to lose its mind," and will be "edgier and more renegade," is not in touch with reality. Sorry!!
Mr. Brooks,reading your column I find you never fail to disappoint. Today's money quote from you is this:
"So far, Fiorina has looked like the most impressive candidate. She has a genius for creating signature moments"
What I love about what you wrote is that it implies you actually gave this some Serious Though to which we should pay attention, yet you provide no supporting facts, which makes sense in that your new BFF Carly runs in the fact-free zone too.
I highly recommend you read Paul Krugman's column; you could learn a lot.
"So far, Fiorina has looked like the most impressive candidate. She has a genius for creating signature moments"
What I love about what you wrote is that it implies you actually gave this some Serious Though to which we should pay attention, yet you provide no supporting facts, which makes sense in that your new BFF Carly runs in the fact-free zone too.
I highly recommend you read Paul Krugman's column; you could learn a lot.
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David Brooks is in serious denial about the GOP and its craziness. Why he keeps defending it and hoping for a normal leader to arise from the muck of hatred, racism, and xenophobia that are its hallmarks is incredible.
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Hope he has time to read Krugman today...
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Mr. Brookes, really?
I can't tell if you're serious. You playing with semantics: "It’s going to be somewhat the same, but edgier and more renegade. Right now, Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie are best positioned to occupy that space." Do you mean that you could support one of these candidates, or that they represent how Republican Party thinking is trending?
When you play semantics, Mr. Brookes, it makes me think of ethical and moral relativism. Would you vote for Rubio, Fiorina or Christie, yes or no? Because if you are willing to put the word President in front of the name of any of these three candidates, you simply do not understand how destructive their power would be to our Nation and to all others. You put us on a path to war, environmental degradation and social depravity (no health care for 9 million people who are now insured, not to mention anti-gay, anti-immigrant, etc.).
So, really, Mr. Brookes, maybe you aren't stating your willingness to support these candidates because they aren't worth your support. So just say it: the Republican candidates are abominable.
I can't tell if you're serious. You playing with semantics: "It’s going to be somewhat the same, but edgier and more renegade. Right now, Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie are best positioned to occupy that space." Do you mean that you could support one of these candidates, or that they represent how Republican Party thinking is trending?
When you play semantics, Mr. Brookes, it makes me think of ethical and moral relativism. Would you vote for Rubio, Fiorina or Christie, yes or no? Because if you are willing to put the word President in front of the name of any of these three candidates, you simply do not understand how destructive their power would be to our Nation and to all others. You put us on a path to war, environmental degradation and social depravity (no health care for 9 million people who are now insured, not to mention anti-gay, anti-immigrant, etc.).
So, really, Mr. Brookes, maybe you aren't stating your willingness to support these candidates because they aren't worth your support. So just say it: the Republican candidates are abominable.
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Mr Brooks downgrades Bush because he did not produce a "hot-blooded signature moment" or a "killer retort".
And what is a "signature moment"? Why, producing a cheap shot such as Fiorina did with: “If you want to stump a Democrat, ask them to name an accomplishment of Mrs. Clinton’s.” This sounds very reminiscent of an old "dumb blonde" joke.
Perhaps Mr Brooks has provided us with some sterling illustrations of why the debate format is so tiresome. Does he really believe that such gladiatorial entertainment gives us any idea of who might be a competent President?
And what is a "signature moment"? Why, producing a cheap shot such as Fiorina did with: “If you want to stump a Democrat, ask them to name an accomplishment of Mrs. Clinton’s.” This sounds very reminiscent of an old "dumb blonde" joke.
Perhaps Mr Brooks has provided us with some sterling illustrations of why the debate format is so tiresome. Does he really believe that such gladiatorial entertainment gives us any idea of who might be a competent President?
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You are all being way too tough on David Brooks. With the exception of the final line in his editorial re: Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie as the best possible material from which to form a Republican ticket… And the part about Marco Rubio’s genius at relating policy depth… And Carly Fiorina as the most impressive candidate (the only one to call out Planned Parenthood on its policy of baby brain harvesting).
Brooks’ editorial really represents a comeback of sorts from his rather disengaged and deliberately thoughtful editorials of the past few months.
Here he addresses the fact that fetuses may not be the only victims of Planned Parenthood’s brain harvesting. The most thoughtful response to the scooped out craniums of the 11 “A-team” Republican candidates may still be fear and loathing.
Brooks’ editorial really represents a comeback of sorts from his rather disengaged and deliberately thoughtful editorials of the past few months.
Here he addresses the fact that fetuses may not be the only victims of Planned Parenthood’s brain harvesting. The most thoughtful response to the scooped out craniums of the 11 “A-team” Republican candidates may still be fear and loathing.
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I clicked on this thinking you might spend some time on Rubio-Fiorina. You did. Very little..... but, then, what is there to say?
Fiorina isn't quite the outsider that you and the Times seem to believe she is.
In both debates she's offered her creds: "I know...I have met.... I can call...."
She's a floater, she knows them all. She can call them all.
And she's not going to! All those contacts and she's not going to parley with any of them!
Oh, that's right - she's going to call "Bibi" on the first day, just to assure him that she's in the AIPAC pocket, but other than that she ain't talkin' to no one! She's going to "build up the Fleet" and march our cannon fodder into, well, she's not definite on that, but so far she's mentioned Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Russia. All that within the 13 minutes of talk time.
So, this is what Rumsfeld would be in heels.
Is the worst of Fiorina that she is anti-woman? Or is the worst of her that she is also anti-man? She's a cold little nutcase. It's all war to her, all a form of "BODY PARTS!" And, she lies. I have no idea what snuff-flick she was watching, but it wasn't Planned Parenthood as she said.
So far she's no different that anyone else that was up there. Everyone of them are going to strip this nation of it's last nickel for their buddies on their Christmas card list. Fiorina is just more glib on who her friends are, but I won't be getting one. And, neither will you.
Beware these war-mongers.
Fiorina isn't quite the outsider that you and the Times seem to believe she is.
In both debates she's offered her creds: "I know...I have met.... I can call...."
She's a floater, she knows them all. She can call them all.
And she's not going to! All those contacts and she's not going to parley with any of them!
Oh, that's right - she's going to call "Bibi" on the first day, just to assure him that she's in the AIPAC pocket, but other than that she ain't talkin' to no one! She's going to "build up the Fleet" and march our cannon fodder into, well, she's not definite on that, but so far she's mentioned Iran, Iraq, Syria, and Russia. All that within the 13 minutes of talk time.
So, this is what Rumsfeld would be in heels.
Is the worst of Fiorina that she is anti-woman? Or is the worst of her that she is also anti-man? She's a cold little nutcase. It's all war to her, all a form of "BODY PARTS!" And, she lies. I have no idea what snuff-flick she was watching, but it wasn't Planned Parenthood as she said.
So far she's no different that anyone else that was up there. Everyone of them are going to strip this nation of it's last nickel for their buddies on their Christmas card list. Fiorina is just more glib on who her friends are, but I won't be getting one. And, neither will you.
Beware these war-mongers.
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Thanks Rosa, the mental picture of Rumsfeld in heels is going to stay with me.
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David, can you find in your vocabulary another word than "genius." It makes me shiver when you apply it to the middling intelligence of Rubio.
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Fiorina???? She lied and called Sonnenfeld a Clintonite. What a hoot, given that he's consulting for her GOP opponents and has never met either Clinton. Brooks must have another reason to admire her - perhaps her warmongering approach?
As for Rubio, Dave Letterman said it best after his speech following the SOTU address - Throato Lubio!
As for Rubio, Dave Letterman said it best after his speech following the SOTU address - Throato Lubio!
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Just look at that bus of crazy, just look at it! Get on board David, thats your bus. Ha Ha Ha.
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Brooks says, "This debate was one moment in time, but you can see the vectors of where this campaign is headed. This is no longer Bob Dole’s or George H.W. Bush’s G.O.P. But it’s not going to completely lose its mind, either."
Too late... When the GOP keeps trying to sell ideas that have always failed, that is the sign of being crazy.
Too late... When the GOP keeps trying to sell ideas that have always failed, that is the sign of being crazy.
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GOP ...
Genius on Parade?
Am I reading this in The New York Times?
Genius on Parade?
Am I reading this in The New York Times?
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Mitt Romney
Paired with Fiorina, a two job killer ticket.
Every year Planned Parenthood presents The Barry Goldwater Award to an outstanding public official who has supported Planned Parenthood and reproductive health issues. The 2015 winner is North Dakota State Representative Kathy Hawken.
Carly Fiorina trashed Planned Parenthood on Wednesday night, showing no respect for one of the last century’s true conservatives, Barry Goldwater. Maybe her lack of knowledge of the GOP is not surprising in that small “c” conservatism was nowhere to be found on Wednesday night.
Carly Fiorina trashed Planned Parenthood on Wednesday night, showing no respect for one of the last century’s true conservatives, Barry Goldwater. Maybe her lack of knowledge of the GOP is not surprising in that small “c” conservatism was nowhere to be found on Wednesday night.
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" it’s not going to completely lose its mind, either." too funny. After what you just wrote. What you accurately describe means the party Lost its mind. But continue with the false reasonable narrative if you like. Lol.
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This main story of this summer--Trump--is founded on the failed roll out of Jeb Bush. Practically all the media were going with the idea that there was a smart, informed, thoughtful, and sage Bush waiting in the wings. And the ultra rich took PR for reality too and threw millions his way. Then this vague, awkward, boring, wan and lackluster former governor revealed himself. As Gail Collins put it, Gee, Jeb Bush is awful! It was then that Trump began his move to the center and his rise to the top.
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"So far, Fiorina has looked like the most impressive candidate. She has a genius for creating signature moments. (“If you want to stump a Democrat, ask them to name an accomplishment of Mrs. Clinton’s.”) But her spotty record at Hewlett-Packard probably means she can’t start at the top of the ticket."
Excuse me, you are judging Fiorina on her communications skills but not her track record? "Spotting record"--you are too kind! Anyone who makes it to the top of a company has to know how to communicate and how to gain a quick grasp--true of false, I might add--of technical specifics. But its results that matter, and on that score, she resoundingly fails. What makes her remotely qualified to be on the ticket? The fact she has a great staff and knows how to deliver zingers? On those merits, let's elect Colbert president!
And "Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted" is a pretty ridiculous statement. He already knows who his rich protectors are, and where's the money, corruption often follows.
If the best thing you can say about the eventual Republican nominee is that they're less crazy than the others, that is hardly a selling point. Well, for mature voters it's hardly a selling point--but look at who they're appealing to.
Excuse me, you are judging Fiorina on her communications skills but not her track record? "Spotting record"--you are too kind! Anyone who makes it to the top of a company has to know how to communicate and how to gain a quick grasp--true of false, I might add--of technical specifics. But its results that matter, and on that score, she resoundingly fails. What makes her remotely qualified to be on the ticket? The fact she has a great staff and knows how to deliver zingers? On those merits, let's elect Colbert president!
And "Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted" is a pretty ridiculous statement. He already knows who his rich protectors are, and where's the money, corruption often follows.
If the best thing you can say about the eventual Republican nominee is that they're less crazy than the others, that is hardly a selling point. Well, for mature voters it's hardly a selling point--but look at who they're appealing to.
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The debate was my first look at Carly Fiorina.She refused to forgive Donald Trump of his unforgivable sins.Later I thought of Mad Men (never watched it but it seemed everyone else did read Maurren Dowd's fascination with it) how they would turn over a company to a woman once they destroyed it to get her to take the blame. Her defense of unborn babies being sold as body parts was not another polictical trick ,millions have seen the baby Aylan Kurdi vomited up by the sea( fresh from life useful only as body parts) as all the immigrants migrating without these videos can easily be lost without our having a memory with our addiction to short term profits,lost in confinment centers ,concentration camps and become THE UN BORN without names so we can nurture our pleasures.
Marco Rubio still looks like a babe in the woods
Marco Rubio still looks like a babe in the woods
Wow! I would really like to see a diagram, never mind an explanation, of your penultimate sentence.
Once again, liberals ascribe their strongest attributes to their opponents just to see how things fit the other way around, rather like young Kim Kardashian walking in on the Olympian champ years ago.
Mark Doctrinnaire Shields got so accustomed to seeing his party fall into dogmatic lockstep - the no-options, no-diversity of opinion party - that he thought it looked really cute on Republicans, thus Brook's opening.
Who allows for options on abortion? Not the Democrats, it's still the Obama maximum that the mother can dispose of her human chattel until she hops into the car to go hame from the birthing hospital, while Republicans leave room for everything less but see humans actually having rights.
No wonder this shocked Mark, or ''Maxi.''
Today we see Democrats still marching in lockstep following Hillary, with ''eyes right'' just like North Korean troops studiously avoiding the email problems that apparently got Ambassador Stevens and others killed. Which party is able to let their members discuss options?
You'll have Democrats bailing on Miss Inevitable the day Nork troops start running south through the DMZ. Eyes Wide Shut indeed.
Mark Doctrinnaire Shields got so accustomed to seeing his party fall into dogmatic lockstep - the no-options, no-diversity of opinion party - that he thought it looked really cute on Republicans, thus Brook's opening.
Who allows for options on abortion? Not the Democrats, it's still the Obama maximum that the mother can dispose of her human chattel until she hops into the car to go hame from the birthing hospital, while Republicans leave room for everything less but see humans actually having rights.
No wonder this shocked Mark, or ''Maxi.''
Today we see Democrats still marching in lockstep following Hillary, with ''eyes right'' just like North Korean troops studiously avoiding the email problems that apparently got Ambassador Stevens and others killed. Which party is able to let their members discuss options?
You'll have Democrats bailing on Miss Inevitable the day Nork troops start running south through the DMZ. Eyes Wide Shut indeed.
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One comment of Carly Fiorina's that took her off any list that should be considered was "I would never even talk to Putin"! Well, honey, what would you do with him? He is already one of the most powerful leaders in the world, like it or not! How could we put her in the White House or even in the second spot? David Brooks...keep looking!
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What is perhaps most striking about David Brooks' method is how often he is willing to ignore fact to make even a minor point. For example, today he writes “Democrats have historically liked presidential nominees they can go gaga for, even if they lack experience: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy.” Were any of these three presidents he names lacking in experience? JFK served six years in the House and seven in the Senate. Clinton was Arkansas’ attorney general from 1977 to 1979 and governor of Arkansas from 1979 to 1981 and from 1983 to 1992. Obama, the least experienced of the three, served in the Illinois Senate from 1997 to 2004 and in the US Senate from 2004 to 2008. Compare their experience with that of any of the fifteen Republicans now running for president. Two have no experience of public office whatsoever, and none have a record that compares with JFK’s or Clinton’s.
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"Donald Trump ... offers America hair, boasting, misogyny and insult."
You forgot racism and chauvinistic xenophobia.
You forgot racism and chauvinistic xenophobia.
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Hey David is that really the best America can do? You people have a deep level of rationalizing utter nonsense. It's a shame Sigmund Freud, Marshall McLuhan and Mark Twain weren't around to analyze, explain and satirize people like you and every candidate on that stage the other night.
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"Anchored in the world of reality", ???? Surely you jest.
David give it up. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear, as the saying goes. There wasn't one candidate in that absurd "debate" that is fit to be President and David, you know it.
David give it up. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear, as the saying goes. There wasn't one candidate in that absurd "debate" that is fit to be President and David, you know it.
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This column brings to mind the old saying, "You can put lipstick on a pig, but..."
Good luck with that, David.
Good luck with that, David.
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Are you kidding us or yourself? Rubio and Fiorina may be well spoken, but WHAT they speak is unspeakable, unworkable, frightening and more hawkish than anything we've heard from Republicans in years. Undo they say, bomb, they say, be afraid they say. I am, of them, all of them. Fiorina is an embarrassment to all women. There are no least worst in this ridiculous list of pols.
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Rubio is 'a genius at relating policy depth in a way that is personal'.
You really will say anything to promote a Republican.
It does not matter to you that you do it, knowing you will draw a thousand rebukes from informed readers calling you a shameless shill.
You really will say anything to promote a Republican.
It does not matter to you that you do it, knowing you will draw a thousand rebukes from informed readers calling you a shameless shill.
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If the electorate is dumb enough to put David’s ticket of Rubio/Fiorina in office, I hope Germany has room for some American refugees.
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Face reality, David Brooks - Rubio doesn't have a ghost of a chance at the GOP Nomination next year. And neither does Carly Fiorina, who spouted the ghastly lies about the bartering of fetuses at Planned Parenthood and her demented plans for getting Putin's goat and solving conflict in the Middle East. A crying shame you tout a couple of Hobson's Choice poor horses in tandem, like Fiorina and Rubio for your supposed winning Conservative Republican Party's ticket next year. How about running Willard Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan again? As Donald Trump will deflate and tumble off the GOP bandwagon (like 'Oops' Perry), so will Carly Fiorina have her 15 minutes of Michele Bachmann-like fame and Rubio will play no more than second too-young fiddle to JEB! Bush in his unappealing quest for a third Bush Presidency. We, of the Democratic suasion hope that JEB! will fall off the Tea Party bandwagon, too, long before next year. He doesn't stand the same ghost of a chance that Rubio and the other 15 mendacious candidates have for a GOP win in 2016 Frankly, Scarlett, am hoping the Democratic candidates - whomever they may be - will be victorious as Grant in Richmond, Sherman in Georgia. You all, Conservative Republicans, are waiting for a Deus ex Machina to appear - The Perfect Republican Candidate - and that chimera won't happen. You have to race next year with the appalling and unappealing horses you have in the race now, more's the pity.
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"Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted..." David you're such a kidder. He maybe "young" but he is hardly uncorrupted. As to his genius....I have yet to see it. I see canned responses from someone one who thinks he is the smartest guy in the room with emphasis on the "guy" part.
The entire column is a farce.
The entire column is a farce.
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Yes, Mr. Holmes you are right about Rubio: young, yes, but certainly not a genius and absolutely corrupted. You might want to add that he looks like the Pillsbury "doughboy" -- so, all together, not someone we want as president.
David, I think I understand your fondness for Reagan. As you walk through the wall-eyed windbroken swaybacked nags in the stable of GOP candidates you tell us there must be a pony in here somewhere!
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Fiorina sounds like the first thing she'll do is bomb Moscow. She's out crazying Cruz.
No, thanks.
No, thanks.
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I will start to believe the blather about you being a "serious" conservative Mr. Brooks when/if you can find the honesty to admit that NO ONE in this current field is close to being prepared to serve as President.
Yeah, I get the "when life gives you lemons ..." philosophy, but these candidates aren't just lemons, but rotted, low hanging fruit whose arrogance, ignorance, and flat out pandering to the anti-intelligensia will make the damage done by W seem to be a mere scratch in the paint.
Yeah, I get the "when life gives you lemons ..." philosophy, but these candidates aren't just lemons, but rotted, low hanging fruit whose arrogance, ignorance, and flat out pandering to the anti-intelligensia will make the damage done by W seem to be a mere scratch in the paint.
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"Democrats have historically liked presidential nominees they can go gaga for, even if they lack experience: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy. Republicans on the other hand like to nominate the guy who’s paid his dues and already lost a presidential run: Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney."
Only one of the Republicans mentioned has ever lost a presidential run and that was Romney, and he's not running this time.
Dole lost a VP run. Reagan and McCain never made it out of the primaries.
What kind of silly nonsense is this? The only "experience" Brooks could be referring to here is experience in RUNNING for office.
Democrats prefer to win the office and be done with it all.
Rubio is "uncorrupted"? He is wholly bought and paid for by his own personal benefactor:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us/billionaire-lifts-marco-rubio-polit...
Fiorina is good at "signature moments"? In other words, a sound bite candidate.
Only one of the Republicans mentioned has ever lost a presidential run and that was Romney, and he's not running this time.
Dole lost a VP run. Reagan and McCain never made it out of the primaries.
What kind of silly nonsense is this? The only "experience" Brooks could be referring to here is experience in RUNNING for office.
Democrats prefer to win the office and be done with it all.
Rubio is "uncorrupted"? He is wholly bought and paid for by his own personal benefactor:
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us/billionaire-lifts-marco-rubio-polit...
Fiorina is good at "signature moments"? In other words, a sound bite candidate.
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Your history is a bit off. Take a look at who were the Republican nominees in 1996 and 2008. It seems that they were Bob Dole and John McCain respectively.
Rubio, Fiorina and Christie? Immigration flip-flopping will sink Rubio, Fiorina is a master at rhetoric, but we see what that got Hewlett-Packard, and Chris Christie will forever be haunted by Bridgegate. Too, even the good folks of New Jersey (NEW JERSEY!) have grown tired of his bullying approach.
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Doesn't surprise me that he favors these particular three. None will be president.
Regarding Mr. Brook's notion that "Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted," see this from the Times, May 9 of this year: "Billionaire Lifts Marco Rubio, Politically and Personally" http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/us/billionaire-lifts-marco-rubio-polit...
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"If you want to stump a Democrat, ask them to name an accomplishment of Mrs. Clinton’s." She must live in an alternate universe. Where has Carly been all these years?? Absent from the real world.
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It is abundantly apparent that there is no one in the Republican field who should even consider running for the Presidency, let alone being entrusted with the office itself. Carly Fiorina's planned parenthood lie is practically prima-facie disqualifying without even considering her terrible track record at HP, which (paradoxically) is the only grounds on which she has to run for President. Instead of the Peter principle we should call it the Carly principle. As for her plan to rebuild the 6th fleet as a cornerstone for her belligerent and ill-advised mystically none-communicative foreign policy.... would someone please tell her that ISIS has no navy, nor is it located anywhere near Atlantis. Which, given Republican penchants towards fantastical thinking, is probably located somewhere near the Bahamas.
As for Marco Rubio, he has neither principle nor accomplishment to recommend him for the office. Being a young hispanic Republican is a descriptor not a qualification. The one major moral piece of legislation he proposed, immigration reform, he ended up voting against. HE VOTED AGAINST HIS OWN BILL! In order to be inspirational you have to have policy positions that are either refreshing, new, popular, or counter-orthodoxy in some way. Please tell me what appealing policy positions does Marco Rubio have other than the same old tired, venom-filled Republican none-sense that every other candidate spews out like its solemn truth?
I'll vote for the Democrat.
As for Marco Rubio, he has neither principle nor accomplishment to recommend him for the office. Being a young hispanic Republican is a descriptor not a qualification. The one major moral piece of legislation he proposed, immigration reform, he ended up voting against. HE VOTED AGAINST HIS OWN BILL! In order to be inspirational you have to have policy positions that are either refreshing, new, popular, or counter-orthodoxy in some way. Please tell me what appealing policy positions does Marco Rubio have other than the same old tired, venom-filled Republican none-sense that every other candidate spews out like its solemn truth?
I'll vote for the Democrat.
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No republican is worth voting for Mr Books. NONE.
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There is only one candidate that seems to be uncorrupted by the commercial
media.
Bernie Sanders...and he is too far to the left...for most people..
But
Bernie Sanders is NOT corrupted by the easy breezy ....commercially motivated
pundits...of the Fourth Estate...Hail Bernie...better a Socialist than a
corruptible Media /PAC mastered candidate..
media.
Bernie Sanders...and he is too far to the left...for most people..
But
Bernie Sanders is NOT corrupted by the easy breezy ....commercially motivated
pundits...of the Fourth Estate...Hail Bernie...better a Socialist than a
corruptible Media /PAC mastered candidate..
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No matter how you hold your nose or what euphemism you use manure is still manure.
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So Brooks throws in Chris Christie at the end without a whiff of analysis or justification because ...
David, do you really believe what you're writing, or do you get some sort of perverse pleasure in scribbling down the most preposterous things you can think of? Carly is good with a mean quip, but her track record as a CEO is an F-. Chris Christie is likely the worst governor in New Jersey history, his constituents mean nothing, his ambition everything. And Marco Rubio is an asset owned by Norman Braman. Can anyone name a U.S. Senator who was ever so beholden to a billionaire?
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JEB Bush....and John Kasich...as successful governors : should be the
front runners...
not the other contenders ....Actual governing of a US State is an important
stepping stone...into a complexity of this now dysfunctional Congress.
front runners...
not the other contenders ....Actual governing of a US State is an important
stepping stone...into a complexity of this now dysfunctional Congress.
At G-8 meeting
Christie: Hey Angela, sit down and shut up.
When US GDP is down
Fiorina: Let's buy Burundi
The the national debt skyrockets
Rubio: Mr. Brahman, can you help me out again?
Christie: Hey Angela, sit down and shut up.
When US GDP is down
Fiorina: Let's buy Burundi
The the national debt skyrockets
Rubio: Mr. Brahman, can you help me out again?
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Sorry David, Its not JEB!'s gentility that prevents him from responding, its his lack of enthusiasm.
You acre correct to mention his WASP upbringing , but its because itmade him think he DESERVES to be president. We ramble, son and daughters of immigrants dont belong in that WHITE house ( its been sullied enough, just ask his Mom what she thinks of the masses.
"WALLS, WAR and WCKED" should be the Republican motto
You acre correct to mention his WASP upbringing , but its because itmade him think he DESERVES to be president. We ramble, son and daughters of immigrants dont belong in that WHITE house ( its been sullied enough, just ask his Mom what she thinks of the masses.
"WALLS, WAR and WCKED" should be the Republican motto
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David, your comments about WASPs are racist.
Of Bush:
"Three hundred and fifty years of WASP reticence have left habits of gentility and emotional guardedness that inhibit him, just as they inhibited his father."
Can you imagine the outrage if you had instead said of Cruz: 'Three hundred and fifty years of Latin emotionalism have left habits of emotional outbursts that inhbit his ability to......'
or of Carson:
'Three hundred and fifty years of being worn down by slavery and Jim Crow laws have left habits of obsequiousness that inhibit his ability to.....
Of Bush:
"Three hundred and fifty years of WASP reticence have left habits of gentility and emotional guardedness that inhibit him, just as they inhibited his father."
Can you imagine the outrage if you had instead said of Cruz: 'Three hundred and fifty years of Latin emotionalism have left habits of emotional outbursts that inhbit his ability to......'
or of Carson:
'Three hundred and fifty years of being worn down by slavery and Jim Crow laws have left habits of obsequiousness that inhibit his ability to.....
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Mr. Brooks, you cannot be serious when you say Marco Rubio "...is a genius at relating policy depth..." Let us not mix and confuse rhetoric for policy. His foreign relations blunders are well documented on the Internet if you care to run a quick search.
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Carly Fiorina and Marco Rubio are, indeed, “sharp of tongue, gifted in self-expression” but much more should be expected of persons running for President.
I still remember Fiorina disrupting our management meetings at AT&T 30 years ago. These were the days of feminism focused on domestic violence and marital rape and AT&T faced suits on discrimination against women, allowing Fiorina to attack it with impunity. Exploiting feminism nonstop, by age 40 Fiorina headed AT&T’s North American operations. When she became CEO of Hewlett-Packard she continued to talk incessantly about sexism. She served as chief executive officer of HP from 1999 to 2005 when she was fired for incompetence.
Marco Rubio achieved prominence by riding the tea-party wave to power. He is a global-warming denier: "I don't think there's the scientific evidence to justify it," he told the Tampa Tribune. He is not the son of Cuban exiles, as he claims. His parents arrived in the US in 1956, before the Fidel Castro’s revolution. He wavers, back-and-forth, on immigration. He refers to himself as Catholic but in 1979 he converted to Mormonism. Mitt Romney saw a lot to like in Rubio -- Latino, young, fiercely conservative, from a battleground state – but rejected him as his running mate for President. His spokeswoman called Rubio "a wheeling and dealing Miami lobbyist and politician, always trying to scam the system for his personal benefit."
Neither of them qualifies for President.
I still remember Fiorina disrupting our management meetings at AT&T 30 years ago. These were the days of feminism focused on domestic violence and marital rape and AT&T faced suits on discrimination against women, allowing Fiorina to attack it with impunity. Exploiting feminism nonstop, by age 40 Fiorina headed AT&T’s North American operations. When she became CEO of Hewlett-Packard she continued to talk incessantly about sexism. She served as chief executive officer of HP from 1999 to 2005 when she was fired for incompetence.
Marco Rubio achieved prominence by riding the tea-party wave to power. He is a global-warming denier: "I don't think there's the scientific evidence to justify it," he told the Tampa Tribune. He is not the son of Cuban exiles, as he claims. His parents arrived in the US in 1956, before the Fidel Castro’s revolution. He wavers, back-and-forth, on immigration. He refers to himself as Catholic but in 1979 he converted to Mormonism. Mitt Romney saw a lot to like in Rubio -- Latino, young, fiercely conservative, from a battleground state – but rejected him as his running mate for President. His spokeswoman called Rubio "a wheeling and dealing Miami lobbyist and politician, always trying to scam the system for his personal benefit."
Neither of them qualifies for President.
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This sure does feel like a desperate attempt to comfort yourself concerning the 11 crazies on stage.
Your a smart guy- you can't actually believe what you are writing, can you?
Your a smart guy- you can't actually believe what you are writing, can you?
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". . . he is a genius at relating policy depth in a way that is personal"
???????
???????
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Rubio,uncorrupted? Are you joking.......already a puppet of Adelson....For Cuba, Rubio does not care if he is against the 99%.....gee, a baby dictator coming....Fiorina, against women....and quite scary....worse than Trump
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And let's not forget Rubio and Fiorina both value war over diplomacy. Haven't we had enough of that from the GOP? KA
RUBIO AND FIORINA ONLY LOOK GOOD, MR. BROOKS NOW . . .
...due to the GOP clown car primary candidates, circa 2015. Now with "the Donald" using his many personality disorders as weapons, he takes the attention from anyone who could be viable in the actual election ... as he has made the process far worse than four years ago.
Yes, Marco, Carly (and let me add Gov. John Kasich). They are the remnants and though they are the best of a bad lot ... but each have their significant problems. The HUGE Donald will Eventually go! But then the attention and scrutiny will be placed on these three.
Marco is too tied to his criticism of the Castro bro's and (at least as far as I am concerned). Also, he appears far to immature for the job ... for he is no John Kennedy ... and lacks a sufficient geopolitical sophistication ... and, he is too tied to his religious faith.
Carly will be troubled by her H-P and Lucent problems which will emerge full blown. Though she is an excellent campaigner. But, can she be a good president?
Kasich is the best choice of the all the candidates ... but, Trump may have already positioned the well for all. Yes, Donald gets the uneducated .... but, other Republicans who control the party know that he is just a self aggrandizing joke.
Now, Trump has (I believe) has ended the Sarah Tea Party self destructive phase of the GOP ... well until it can be resurrected in the future if it is not moribund and is replaced by another one. GOP: fogetaboutit in 2016.
...due to the GOP clown car primary candidates, circa 2015. Now with "the Donald" using his many personality disorders as weapons, he takes the attention from anyone who could be viable in the actual election ... as he has made the process far worse than four years ago.
Yes, Marco, Carly (and let me add Gov. John Kasich). They are the remnants and though they are the best of a bad lot ... but each have their significant problems. The HUGE Donald will Eventually go! But then the attention and scrutiny will be placed on these three.
Marco is too tied to his criticism of the Castro bro's and (at least as far as I am concerned). Also, he appears far to immature for the job ... for he is no John Kennedy ... and lacks a sufficient geopolitical sophistication ... and, he is too tied to his religious faith.
Carly will be troubled by her H-P and Lucent problems which will emerge full blown. Though she is an excellent campaigner. But, can she be a good president?
Kasich is the best choice of the all the candidates ... but, Trump may have already positioned the well for all. Yes, Donald gets the uneducated .... but, other Republicans who control the party know that he is just a self aggrandizing joke.
Now, Trump has (I believe) has ended the Sarah Tea Party self destructive phase of the GOP ... well until it can be resurrected in the future if it is not moribund and is replaced by another one. GOP: fogetaboutit in 2016.
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"This is no longer Bob Dole’s or George H.W. Bush’s G.O.P. But it’s not going to completely lose its mind, either."
Sorry, David: too late! That happened back when Sarah Palin got placed on the ticket with John McCain. It's been loss-of-mind mode, pretty steadily, ever since.
Sorry, David: too late! That happened back when Sarah Palin got placed on the ticket with John McCain. It's been loss-of-mind mode, pretty steadily, ever since.
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It gets exponentially wackier when a Sarah Palin supporter rushes Bernie Sanders stage adorned with a Black Lives Matter banner accusing the Progressive crowd of being "White Supremacists" while they were simply there to show support for Social Security which, I'm pretty sure, Sarah Palin is eager to gut, or, at the very least, change the rules so you have to be 80 before you can collect your paycheck deposits. How a GOP operative can infiltrate the Black Lives Matter movement to target liberals while ignoring Conservatives is another 7th wonder of the world. Sarah Palin who claims to know Russia because she can see it from her front yard and wants foreigners to speak American is the standard bearer for the rush to Idiocracy within the Republican party.
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or Lugar's. If a Republican spokesperson has any brains, he should throw in the towel now.
I think you're wrong, Tim, because if you were right, then Mitt Romney would not have been the GOP's candidate in 2012.
If Fiorina and Rubio are the best that this country has to offer, we are in sad shape. Can you seriously imagine either one of them competently managing foreign policy? A terrifying possibility.
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Dave, does the cognitive dissonance give you a headache?
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Huh? Is Mr. Brooks referring to the same Chris Christie, who would be chosen as most-likely-to-be-indicted-before-the-Iowa-caucus?
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It is fascinating reading as you continue to try and defend the party you love and try to promote and sell to your readers. I truly wonder what debate you were watching and exactly how you can determine that the GOP and the people who support it and vote in the primaries are turning away from the crazies! They are flocking to the crazies because the crazies are saying everything a significant part of the Republican electorate believes and wants. It has become a party of mean spirited , xenophobic, racist , homophobic know nothings. They defy science, logic and the very Bible teachings they so often quote and moralize about. They claim to be pro life but could care less about that child after its born especially if it has the misfortune to be Black, Hispanic, Muslim or poor. They are for gun rights and defending the rule of law except when it comes to civil and human rights . They have run off the rails and excusing and or trying to justify or defend what is going on is inexcusable Mr. Brooks especially from someone as intelligent as you.
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Doesn't it frighten you just a little bit David that these are our candidates for President of the United States? Aren't you at least a little bit concerned one of them will win the beauty contest -- the young, the ignorant, the reckless?
Has it occurred to you that recent decades in particular are a diary of this country degenerating into a reality series?
Think about the implications ... for security, for the citizens, and for the Constitution ... as we continue forward.
Has it occurred to you that recent decades in particular are a diary of this country degenerating into a reality series?
Think about the implications ... for security, for the citizens, and for the Constitution ... as we continue forward.
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A scary hawk and a pretty boy who memorizes everything he says, and yet, knows nothing but ambition. Great ticket!
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"Republicans are embracing their inner adolescent." Only David Brooks thinks this is new, or news.
Republicans have been embracing their inner adolescent for at least the last 6-1/2 years and arguably a lot longer. Pay the bills when due for two wars, a Medicare drug benefit and a big tax cut? Nah. We'd rather default. Take a serious look at balancing revenue and spending in order to put the federal budget on a course back to balance if not surplus? Nah. We'd rather "take the pledge" and reject compromise even if it means $10 in spending cuts to $1 in tax increases. Follow decades of bipartisan thinking that politics should stop at the water's edge (think Democrats singing patriotic songs with Republicans on the steps of the Capitol after 9/11)? Nah. We'd rather encourage world leaders to ignore the lawfully elected President if we think it can get us a few more votes next time. Build coalitions that could lead to an actual majority in the America of 2015? Nah. We'll rally around candidates who tell us they can deport 11 million people. Et cetera. Et cetera. This party has not had a grown up moment since George H.W. Bush left office in 1993.
By contrast, the Democrats do seem sober. But then they've become the presidential/governing party, having won the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. Sometimes, it's hard to say which is cause and which is effect.
Republicans have been embracing their inner adolescent for at least the last 6-1/2 years and arguably a lot longer. Pay the bills when due for two wars, a Medicare drug benefit and a big tax cut? Nah. We'd rather default. Take a serious look at balancing revenue and spending in order to put the federal budget on a course back to balance if not surplus? Nah. We'd rather "take the pledge" and reject compromise even if it means $10 in spending cuts to $1 in tax increases. Follow decades of bipartisan thinking that politics should stop at the water's edge (think Democrats singing patriotic songs with Republicans on the steps of the Capitol after 9/11)? Nah. We'd rather encourage world leaders to ignore the lawfully elected President if we think it can get us a few more votes next time. Build coalitions that could lead to an actual majority in the America of 2015? Nah. We'll rally around candidates who tell us they can deport 11 million people. Et cetera. Et cetera. This party has not had a grown up moment since George H.W. Bush left office in 1993.
By contrast, the Democrats do seem sober. But then they've become the presidential/governing party, having won the popular vote in 5 of the last 6 elections. Sometimes, it's hard to say which is cause and which is effect.
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A profoundly accurate (and disturbing) analysis of what the Republican party has become
I think Mr. Brooks deliberately mischaracterizes the political cultures within today's GOP.
There are insurrectionists, as he admits, who want to punish the US by burning down the house. Then there are the militarists, who want to punish other countries by burning down their houses. And then there are theocrats who want to punish everyone, anywhere by sending a biblical pox on the houses of those not of their faith.
Fortunately, those three groups reflect only 20-30% of the electorate -- so picking the least offensive person from an obnoxious pack is only a strategy for picking up a few more votes in a doomed presidential race. Unfortunately, that strategy disadvantages the GOP's more reasonable hope of retaining control of Congress -- an effort that would benefit from picking the most offensive member of the pack.
There are insurrectionists, as he admits, who want to punish the US by burning down the house. Then there are the militarists, who want to punish other countries by burning down their houses. And then there are theocrats who want to punish everyone, anywhere by sending a biblical pox on the houses of those not of their faith.
Fortunately, those three groups reflect only 20-30% of the electorate -- so picking the least offensive person from an obnoxious pack is only a strategy for picking up a few more votes in a doomed presidential race. Unfortunately, that strategy disadvantages the GOP's more reasonable hope of retaining control of Congress -- an effort that would benefit from picking the most offensive member of the pack.
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Well analyzed and well said. Thanks!
So, Ms Fiorina's lies about Planned Parenthood and her irresponsible saber rattling din't bother Mr. Brooks. Most reasonable people would find the first disgusting and the second frightening. Is the Republican Party so desperate for a candidate that they find this acceptable?
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Great contrast between Dem. and GOP attitudes, David, as far as how they pick their champion and how has been turned upside-down in 2016. But not sure the GOP is having a love thing with Trump so much as a flirt with deviant sensation -- an affair not a marriage. And I object to the idea that Bush is to be dismissed on his failure to display the killer instinct with Trump. On Wednesday he showed a marked improvement in his responses to all challengers; he was both energetic and funny. Folks keep saying that Trump has changed the rules of the game, but if that means everyone now has to be as aggressive and combative as he is, that is a loss for all of us. Holding truth and decency in contempt is defying, not changing, the game. Christie has charisma but fails to convey integrity. As for Rubio, he has great command of the facts but his intensity and lack of humor is a bit scary. Fiorina in a stunning performance, is also a bit scary, but I think she is the one with the most potential going forward. The big question is 'How will the GOP package and sell a woman candidate with their anti-woman mind-set?' It will be a curious journey, but no love story.
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I agree that Rubio would make the most appealing and probably electable Republican candidate, even though I disagree with his positions. But he's poised and charismatic and seems thoughtful and even approachable. Carly seems strident, to me. She shows that she's done her homework but, in her signature moment at the debate, she pegged Planned Parenthood incorrectly for a medical situation involving a fetus from a miscarriage. Pretty irresponsible, given the vehemence with which she delivered her misplaced attack. Kasich was promising but showed little fire or focus Wednesday night. Too bad no one challenged Jeb's claim about George W's "keeping us safe." The guy ignored explicit warnings in his August 2001 intelligence brief on the potential for 911-style attacks and he launched a willful "pre-emptive" war based on bogus evidence and then ignored responsible U.S. officials who advised a different course on the post-invasion. The results of Bush's war continue to roil the Middle East, perpetuating more war and sending tens of thousands of refugees into Europe. What an irony, given most European's opposition to the Iraq War in the first place--that they now pay the price and see the rise of right wing politics, in reaction to the flood of refugees.
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There was nothing spotty about Fiorina's record at HP. That was a time of tremendous upheaval in the tech sector, and no tech company emerged unscathed. Repeating this Trump talking point is just lazy.
Also, it's not irrational for the base to be disgusted by the lack of achievement of the Republican establishment. Remember when the Republican leadership simply said thank you to the tea parties for delivering the House and then the Senate to them? Me neither.
Otherwise, a pretty good column.
Also, it's not irrational for the base to be disgusted by the lack of achievement of the Republican establishment. Remember when the Republican leadership simply said thank you to the tea parties for delivering the House and then the Senate to them? Me neither.
Otherwise, a pretty good column.
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@Edmund Dantes
Stratford, CT
HP performed much worse than any of the other major players. You're right her performance wasn't spotty, it was abysmal.
Stratford, CT
HP performed much worse than any of the other major players. You're right her performance wasn't spotty, it was abysmal.
Florina was an unmitigated disaster for Hewlett Packard except in her own mind and those who swallow her propaganda. She 'grew' the company by eating a meal (Compaq) that turned out to be quite indigestible. Her successor attempted to salvage Florina's blunders by firing people and concentrating cannibalized parts for profit even more aggressively, thereby providing the illusion of quarterly profit. The company alienated its consumer base by failing to support the previously quality products it had produced, failing to update the drivers that would adapt to OSX and new Windows OS generations. The consumers quickly migrated to Epson, Lexmark, Brother, and smarter providers. So yes, it was a time of 'tremendous upheaval in the tech sector.' When the smoke cleared Apple, which I recall Florina dismissing out of hand as 'going down' - became the largest, most successful brand on the planet. So you're right, there's nothing 'spotty' about Forina's record. It stinks, like her, of lies and failure.
This is so precious. Mr. Brooks imagines that rank and file pushing Trump and Carson to the top of their wish list will turn around by the time the voting starts and accept an immigration friendly establishment protegee like Marco Rubio, with a consolation prize "outsider" as VP.
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I can't believe this guy.
Rubio's main qualification is that he is not a scientist, so he can't be expected to understand climate change. But then he is not an economist, general, physician, construction worker, ... either.
Fiorina;s record at both Lucent and HP wasn't just spotty. It was dreadful. Her only other qualification besides her business acumen is her ability to lie with the best of them, For example her statement about Planned Parenthood keeping fetuses alive to sell their parts.
Chris Christie may be the champion liar of them all. Just see his statement on why he vetoed the rail tunnel. In addition, he would be right at home in Greece or Brazil. The Port authority was (is?) a hotbed of corruption.
Come on Brooksie, try again.
Rubio's main qualification is that he is not a scientist, so he can't be expected to understand climate change. But then he is not an economist, general, physician, construction worker, ... either.
Fiorina;s record at both Lucent and HP wasn't just spotty. It was dreadful. Her only other qualification besides her business acumen is her ability to lie with the best of them, For example her statement about Planned Parenthood keeping fetuses alive to sell their parts.
Chris Christie may be the champion liar of them all. Just see his statement on why he vetoed the rail tunnel. In addition, he would be right at home in Greece or Brazil. The Port authority was (is?) a hotbed of corruption.
Come on Brooksie, try again.
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They are both unemployed or facing unemployment, and so are Christie, Carson. The rest are simply burning cash catering to their egos/bucket lists.
With the exception of Trump and Paul, who have the goods not just to shoo out the rest of the crowd, but also splinter the Dem vote (in the unlikely event a non-Biden gets the nomination).
With the exception of Trump and Paul, who have the goods not just to shoo out the rest of the crowd, but also splinter the Dem vote (in the unlikely event a non-Biden gets the nomination).
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So Fiorina, who lied through her teeth about Planned Parenthood at the last debate to purposely pander to right wing tea party people is somehow a vialble candidate? Couple that with blowing it with 2 Fortune 50 companies and getting destroyed by Barbara Boxter in a senate race I don't see how you Mr. Brooks can take seriously someone who has literally accomplished nothing except a gift for public speaking..... Marco's problem is that even when he is 70 he will still look and act/speak like a 7th grade social studies teacher.
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Not a gift at public speaking, you ought to have heard her as Stanford's commencement speaker in 2001. She was hideously boring, it was all about CARLY. Not one uplifting word to spare for the graduates. Many. just.left.
How exactly did she lie? Have you actually watched the videos and read the complete transcripts? If you're too afraid to, you should ask yourself why. I've been pro-choice my whole life, but am now forced to admit that people whose politics I generally don't like were right about this one. I'm still pro choice to a point. That point no longer includes abortion at 5 months except in cases where there are genuine health issues.
God bless Donald Trump.
He is the most significant American politician of the last three decades who already did more to protect our country than the entire Democratic and GOP leadership together during the same period.
During the last presidential debate his rudeness provoked Jeff Bush to finally bluntly say the truth.
Ex-Florida governor confessed that he received the money from the developer to change the laws and allow the gambling and casinos in the Sunshine State.
Unfortunately, America is the most corrupt country in the history of the world, only our government changed the laws so that accepting the bribes is now completely legal. It’s called the campaign contributions (before getting elected) and the lobbyist jobs, company executive positions and lavish speaking fees after getting the job done.
How come that the corporations that claim they cannot afford to pay more taxes to eliminate the national debt and budget deficits can simultaneously pay somebody $100 k for an hour-long speech?
Do they pay any blue-color worker that amount of money for standing and speaking?
If the companies cannot afford to pay more taxes how come they could spend hundreds billions dollars on the endless brainwashing commercials that morally spoil and corrupt the young generations, so it’s acceptable for us to export the American jobs overseas, run the colossal trade deficits and pile up $18 trillion national debt?
He is the most significant American politician of the last three decades who already did more to protect our country than the entire Democratic and GOP leadership together during the same period.
During the last presidential debate his rudeness provoked Jeff Bush to finally bluntly say the truth.
Ex-Florida governor confessed that he received the money from the developer to change the laws and allow the gambling and casinos in the Sunshine State.
Unfortunately, America is the most corrupt country in the history of the world, only our government changed the laws so that accepting the bribes is now completely legal. It’s called the campaign contributions (before getting elected) and the lobbyist jobs, company executive positions and lavish speaking fees after getting the job done.
How come that the corporations that claim they cannot afford to pay more taxes to eliminate the national debt and budget deficits can simultaneously pay somebody $100 k for an hour-long speech?
Do they pay any blue-color worker that amount of money for standing and speaking?
If the companies cannot afford to pay more taxes how come they could spend hundreds billions dollars on the endless brainwashing commercials that morally spoil and corrupt the young generations, so it’s acceptable for us to export the American jobs overseas, run the colossal trade deficits and pile up $18 trillion national debt?
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I would put Carly Fiorina above Marco Rubio. Although Rubio has insight that I find intelligent, he seems too young, whereas Fiorino's grace under pressure and maturity are immediately seen, underscored by her preparedness and intelligence. I am a Democrat but I am hoping to see a Fiorino/Rubio Republican ticket and team should the G.O.P. win the Whitehouse. Should the people wake up though - go Bernie!
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Fiorina, to quote Tomothy Egan's today column, is "a terrible candidate in the age of income inequality and a battered middle class. Mitt Romney was pummeled for investing in companies that close American plants and ship jobs overseas. Fiorina, as chief executive of Hewlett-Packard, went him one better — firing thousands of people, while being rewarded for failure. She is the embodiment of the unfairness, the rigged game that hurts so many average working people."
You do realize that Carly utterly failed in the biggest job on her resume, that of leading HP? That she utterly destroyed a very profitable and innovative major American corporation?
Kasich-Fiorina ticket. Best choice. Don't understand the fascination with Rubio. He is a nervous sweaty mess and looks about twelve. He doesn't appear to have the gravitas to be President. Kasich has the folksy grown up demeanor with a deep resume. I hope he'll emerge after he does well in the NH primary.
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Kasich's debate performance seems to be understated by the media and press but he appears to be the most rational and statesman among the bunch. If I were an independent I would go for him. He presented himself as someone who can work across party lines. The rest of the 11 candidates are all ideologues who won't be able to break Capitol Hill's dysfunction.
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Kasich-Nikki Haley, possibly a better choice. Mix of moderate and conservative. Haley avoids the HP bloodbath that would follow Carly, and might appeal to women, certainly as more trustworthy than you know who. Daughter of Indian immigrants and popular. I left the Republican party because of the crazies, but this more moderate ticket would certainly capture my attention.
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Won't happen. With the Republican party the more rational a candidate, the less likely he'll be nominated.
Mr. Brooks - I quite like you and see you as a reasonable conservative. I worked for HP when Carly was CEO. Trust me - the last thing America needs is her.
You refer to her spotty record at HP. But tell me one other credential she has on her CV? Aah...did that stump you?
Honestly - she is obnoxious, has no personal integrity (please Google her call to Bob Wayman when the Compaq merger was hanging in balance), she never gave any direction which made any sense.
If she comes anywhere near the White House I promise you even God will not be able to save America.
You refer to her spotty record at HP. But tell me one other credential she has on her CV? Aah...did that stump you?
Honestly - she is obnoxious, has no personal integrity (please Google her call to Bob Wayman when the Compaq merger was hanging in balance), she never gave any direction which made any sense.
If she comes anywhere near the White House I promise you even God will not be able to save America.
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Well said. And let's not forget that abortive run against Barbara Boxer for the Senate.
You must remember that Brooks is paid to be the Republican apologist. Consequently facts are never relevant in his commentaries. If he got constantly fact checked, I don't think he would have the avenues of expression he currently has. In essence he lives his professional life as a straw man.
Mr Brooks,
I have always enjoyed your column as you are the voice of reason at NYT. But I am so disappointed by your op-ed that I have to write.
I worked for HP when Carly was CEO. Like many people now, I was very impressed by her first speech at HP then. Yet for two to three years, her same speech was repackaged and delivered time and time again, great sound bites followed by some catchy numbers. The business turned bad and there was no direction from her except her constant call "to grow twice the market" with no plan nor strategy. All of us at HP including the board were fooled by her. The Compaq merger marked the beginning of the fall of HP. Calling 'mistakes bold leadership' is typical of the Carly spin. Even a smart person like you can be fooled! Pray hard for America!
I have always enjoyed your column as you are the voice of reason at NYT. But I am so disappointed by your op-ed that I have to write.
I worked for HP when Carly was CEO. Like many people now, I was very impressed by her first speech at HP then. Yet for two to three years, her same speech was repackaged and delivered time and time again, great sound bites followed by some catchy numbers. The business turned bad and there was no direction from her except her constant call "to grow twice the market" with no plan nor strategy. All of us at HP including the board were fooled by her. The Compaq merger marked the beginning of the fall of HP. Calling 'mistakes bold leadership' is typical of the Carly spin. Even a smart person like you can be fooled! Pray hard for America!
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One wonders if David really thinks thru Republican talking points. Let’s imagine a Rubio presidency. Fearing that Russia will gain more influence in the middle east he… what? Starts to rearm another proto-Taliban to engage Russian military advisors in Syria? Perhaps even shoots down Russian cargo planes. Yeah, that will help.
No – time to let the middle east settle a bit. If Russia does gain a toehold in Syria or Egypt? So what? Neither has oil or gas. We went through this 50 years ago, as we attempted to gain influence. We eventually landed Egypt in our zone, but not Syria. And for all our hard work? We have a feckless ally.
We pretend to value our freedom and openness but we seem afraid to trust it. Conservatives are especially unable to let America succeed with what it does best. The US remains a society where creative folks come to do their best work. And the benefit of that is our long-term success over two centuries. The Soviet Union could not out-produce us. And the BRICS (remember them) well the Brics are crumbling. Even Japan has stalled since the 1980s when we thought they would own America.
So time not to freak out about an area that has no water, and whose own folks struggle.
No – time to let the middle east settle a bit. If Russia does gain a toehold in Syria or Egypt? So what? Neither has oil or gas. We went through this 50 years ago, as we attempted to gain influence. We eventually landed Egypt in our zone, but not Syria. And for all our hard work? We have a feckless ally.
We pretend to value our freedom and openness but we seem afraid to trust it. Conservatives are especially unable to let America succeed with what it does best. The US remains a society where creative folks come to do their best work. And the benefit of that is our long-term success over two centuries. The Soviet Union could not out-produce us. And the BRICS (remember them) well the Brics are crumbling. Even Japan has stalled since the 1980s when we thought they would own America.
So time not to freak out about an area that has no water, and whose own folks struggle.
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Are you serious??
Rubio has shown an immaturity and weakness. If he thinks he can win on his parents' immigrant story, he's seriously deluded.
Fiorina asks to see Clinton's accomplishments, and while the question is valid, the same could be asked of her.
I think you got it exactly right though...
Don Rickles for President!
Rubio has shown an immaturity and weakness. If he thinks he can win on his parents' immigrant story, he's seriously deluded.
Fiorina asks to see Clinton's accomplishments, and while the question is valid, the same could be asked of her.
I think you got it exactly right though...
Don Rickles for President!
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Rubio is a liar, his parents came to the USA 2 1/2 years before Castro!http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/marco-rubios-compelling-family-st...
Any one of the people on that debate stage, even..gasp Donald Trump, would be 10 times better than either Barack Obama or Hillary Clinton.
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Which debate stage were you watching?
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Better for what?
Ah, yes. Choose a person whose primary quality is that she is well spoken, a skill learned in the boardroom. Ignore the track record, which shows her failure at both Lucent and HP. Ignore that her well spoken comments included out and out grandstanding on Planned Parenthood and her good friend Bibi, and tough talk about how she'd show Putin who is boss.
We had a president who promised to the run the country like a CEO. He kept his promise. He based his plans on unrealistic expectations (greet us with flowers,) claimed success when there was none (Mission Accomplished) listened to bad advice, and fostered an atmosphere that had people telling him only what he wanted to hear. WMD anyone? And let his staff toss the naysayers under the bus: Valerie Plume paid for her husband's skepticism.
I am done with the CEO Presidency.
And Marco Rubio? When he has the political courage to admit that the the age of the planet is a matter of science and not controversy, I will consider him sufficiently grown up to run.
We had a president who promised to the run the country like a CEO. He kept his promise. He based his plans on unrealistic expectations (greet us with flowers,) claimed success when there was none (Mission Accomplished) listened to bad advice, and fostered an atmosphere that had people telling him only what he wanted to hear. WMD anyone? And let his staff toss the naysayers under the bus: Valerie Plume paid for her husband's skepticism.
I am done with the CEO Presidency.
And Marco Rubio? When he has the political courage to admit that the the age of the planet is a matter of science and not controversy, I will consider him sufficiently grown up to run.
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" Jeb!?"lives within the confines of reality". I don't think so. Do you remember 9/11 or Iraq 'or Afghanistan?
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Translation: Brooks wants Obamacare dismantled, the Iran nuclear deal destroyed, Iran destroyed, women to have no reproductive choice, nothing done on climate change or pollution, voting rights returned to pre-1965 status, and an ever tightening grip of the oligarchs over the government, via Citizens United, etc.
David Brooks: In Sheldon Adelson, Norman Braman, and John Hagee's Christians United for Israel He Trusts.
David Brooks: In Sheldon Adelson, Norman Braman, and John Hagee's Christians United for Israel He Trusts.
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A well written article, David, based on the performance of the only two contenders who obviously prepared for the debate by doing their homework, but I fail to see how Chris Christie fits in. While he is a slightly less obnoxious iteration of "Trump the Insult Dog," Christie is very much a partner in the Don Rickles Act. Whomever suggested that fat people are jolly and friendly, never personally met Christie!
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When life hands you lemons, make lemonade seems to be the message of this column.
I can not imagine either Rubio or Fiorina in charge of the US Treasury given their history.
I can not imagine either Rubio or Fiorina in charge of the US Treasury given their history.
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What you have just painted is the best of the very worst scenario. The real answer is do not vote GOP. I worked for HP when Fiorina was CEO, she was a nightmare who was charged with destroying the company, now she should be President or VP?
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Donald Trump's "ego may be galaxy-sized, but his policy ignorance is a void that overspills the known universe."
One of the best lines ever! But it was followed up with
"He’s the Wizard of Oz. When the bluster curtain falls down, what’s left is pathetic."
One of the worst lines ever. When the Wizard of Oz was hiding behind the curtain, THAT'S when he was pathetic. Once the "bluster curtain falls down", he provides effective solutions to real problems.
Similarly Carly Fiorina: "If you want to stump a Democrat, ask them to name an accomplishment of Mrs. Clinton’s."
I can think of only one American foreign intervention that resulted in all policy goals accomplished, without a single loss of American life. That accomplishment was in Libia, and the architect was Hillary Clinton.
One of the best lines ever! But it was followed up with
"He’s the Wizard of Oz. When the bluster curtain falls down, what’s left is pathetic."
One of the worst lines ever. When the Wizard of Oz was hiding behind the curtain, THAT'S when he was pathetic. Once the "bluster curtain falls down", he provides effective solutions to real problems.
Similarly Carly Fiorina: "If you want to stump a Democrat, ask them to name an accomplishment of Mrs. Clinton’s."
I can think of only one American foreign intervention that resulted in all policy goals accomplished, without a single loss of American life. That accomplishment was in Libia, and the architect was Hillary Clinton.
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David, you seem to be taken with appearances over substance. Ms. Fiorina is hands down the best presenter of the bunch. That's what she's done, with mixed success, for much of her career.
But she is not a producer. She has survived by presenting the ideas and products of creative, hardworking people who CAN produce things. It would be foolish to look to Carly Fiorina for original or innovative policy solutions, when all she's ever done for a living is glom onto and exploit the achievements of others.
And Marco Rubio? Another one who's all talk, much of it unsubstantiated. As I've heard it, his parents weren't even Cuban refugees, but emigrated to the U.S. three years before the overthrow of Batista. And, yet, Rubio persists with a phony narrative that suggests we should find him and his family as sympathetic as someone who washes up on Miami Beach in an inner tube.
But she is not a producer. She has survived by presenting the ideas and products of creative, hardworking people who CAN produce things. It would be foolish to look to Carly Fiorina for original or innovative policy solutions, when all she's ever done for a living is glom onto and exploit the achievements of others.
And Marco Rubio? Another one who's all talk, much of it unsubstantiated. As I've heard it, his parents weren't even Cuban refugees, but emigrated to the U.S. three years before the overthrow of Batista. And, yet, Rubio persists with a phony narrative that suggests we should find him and his family as sympathetic as someone who washes up on Miami Beach in an inner tube.
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Rubio said his father was tortured by the Batista regime yet he and his fellow Republicans call for returning Cuba to the way it was before Castro came to power which was the dictatorial Batista regime.
It's hard to imagine hearing any Jews whose ancestors came from the Czarist Russia calling for the return of the Czar and his anti-Jewish progroms.
It's hard to imagine hearing any Jews whose ancestors came from the Czarist Russia calling for the return of the Czar and his anti-Jewish progroms.
Yes, I've been wondering how Rubio gets a free pass after building his career based on a fabricated story.
I take serious issue with this statement: "Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted..." That is nonsense. He is a seriously smart man who is also deeply cynical, and while could be the hope of his party, he instead chooses to erect around himself a force-field of Koch-Adelstein economic and social ideas that are as idiotic as they are fanciful. He (and others in the gaggle of candidates on the Republican side) is too smart to actually believe this stuff. I would argue that, of serious candidates, he is second only to Jeb! (connotes excitement) in his utter corruption.
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The once Grand Old Party has dumbed down into a fundamentalist church group: anti-science, anti-knowledge, anti-women, anti-choice, gay obsessed, pro war and unlimited $$$$$ for world military adventurism, indifferent to poverty and suffering, selfish, greedy, covertly racist, xenophobic, and Very Jealous of President Obama.
Whatever happened to my party of the compassionate Lincoln and the wisdom of Eisenhower?
Whatever happened to my party of the compassionate Lincoln and the wisdom of Eisenhower?
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The compassionate Lincoln and wise Eisenhower have been distilled in our current president. In rejecting everything Obama, Republicans reject the best they have ever been.
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If Hillary wins the nomination, the 2016 race will be a vote against corruption so the Republican nominee will have to be squeaky clean. Except for Trump (my goodness...), that shouldn't be a problem.
Brooks is whistling past the graveyard. The predominant strain on that platform was craziness even from Brook's anointed.
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I just love how the party that gave us the first community organizer president has anything to say about requisite qualifications for the presidency.
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As a Democrat, I must face the reality that a Republican could be President, so I listened to the debate wondering which candiates would not force me to move to Canada. I found the whole exercise scary. Fiorina was impressive, but she told bald faced lies....there is no Planned Parenthood video showing live aborted fetuses kicking. If she lies in a debate can we trust her to tell us the truth as Commander in Chief no matter how smart and glib she is? I won't go down the whole list, but God help us if the Iran deal is torn up and we let Bebe run our foreign policy. I am just praying that Hillary can rally and get that pesky e-mail mess behind her.
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Thank you for pointing out Fiorina's lie. It is amazing that she was able to get away with it but the the CNN just wanted to be a star and lies were allowed to slosh all over the stage. And this is the person Brokoks is praising.
Chris Cristie? who lied about when he was appointed US attorney and who has no clue about social security? Chris Christie who will be taken down by the Bridgegate affair yet? Better find another alternate.
As for Fiorina, she is a woman but not a viable woman's candidate. Her stand on planned parenthood alone dissolves her credibility. Her macho military appeal to men makes her look pathetic as a woman's candidate.
Rubio - what can I say? He needs to get more than a few soundbites. And where is he really on immigration?
As for Fiorina, she is a woman but not a viable woman's candidate. Her stand on planned parenthood alone dissolves her credibility. Her macho military appeal to men makes her look pathetic as a woman's candidate.
Rubio - what can I say? He needs to get more than a few soundbites. And where is he really on immigration?
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Her "macho military appeal" was really over the top. It reminded me of how women in the 1980s felt they had to dress like men in power suits to be taken seriously. She's trying to out-guy the guys in order to be taken seriously as a Republican candidate, but she does not speak to me as a woman in the least.
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Oh, goodness, David, go easy on yourself ---I mean, go easy on your inner Trump. You're a Republican, right? Admit it--Trump is in your soul.
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A dating service on the titanic? These debates are supposed to reveal the true character of the participants. What has been uncovered is a mulit-level horror. If those on stage believe most of what has been said, then the divorce from reality is of deep clinical concern. If they don't believe what they say, then it is cynicism of historic proportions. Either way, to talk about a likely ticket within this carnage to reality may be an even worse character flaw
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Completely agree that, at least in terms of debate performances, Rubio, Fiorina, and Christie have been the most impressive, an assessment that I believe closely tracks that of most political cognescenti on the right. Which is why, as a life-long Republican, I am both gob smacked and dismayed that polls at major conservative websites show Trump as having been most impressive with maybe 60% majority. The conservative world has gone mad.
And I am not so sure on Mr Brooks' bland conviction that the ship will right itself and return to its normal operations anytime soon. Right now, to comment on conservative sites with any criticism of Trump is to invite a torrent of vituperation. It's bizarre, for years, conservative web sites have been filled with those complaining about RINOS selling those of us on the right out, and how we have to hew to principle (a'la Ted Cruz). So we get a reality celebrity whose past politics and expressed beliefs mark him as the very definition of a RINO, but because he talks tough everybody falls in love with him, neatly mirroring the left's unreasoning love affair with Obama so many of us of the right have disdained.
What's worse, his serial displays of policy ignorance, misogyny, braggadocio and boorishness that would have slain anybody else twelve times over are simply ignored. The fact is, much of the GOP base is just so plain ticked off with its leadership they'll do anything to push a stick in its eye. Which presents an opportunity to the left
And I am not so sure on Mr Brooks' bland conviction that the ship will right itself and return to its normal operations anytime soon. Right now, to comment on conservative sites with any criticism of Trump is to invite a torrent of vituperation. It's bizarre, for years, conservative web sites have been filled with those complaining about RINOS selling those of us on the right out, and how we have to hew to principle (a'la Ted Cruz). So we get a reality celebrity whose past politics and expressed beliefs mark him as the very definition of a RINO, but because he talks tough everybody falls in love with him, neatly mirroring the left's unreasoning love affair with Obama so many of us of the right have disdained.
What's worse, his serial displays of policy ignorance, misogyny, braggadocio and boorishness that would have slain anybody else twelve times over are simply ignored. The fact is, much of the GOP base is just so plain ticked off with its leadership they'll do anything to push a stick in its eye. Which presents an opportunity to the left
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Christie used to be a federal prosecutor yet his discussion of drug laws and the intersection between federal and state laws as well as the broad reach of federal drug laws made me wonder why he was ever appointed but then I remember who appointed him.......
Disappointed that Mr. Brooks finds possibility in Mrs. Fiorina and Mr. Christie.
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I will name an accomplishment of Mrs. Clinton's - putting up with Republicans, especially those that dragged her husband's affair across prime time television. How she managed to stay composed, I'll never know, other than we must not share the same Irish heritage - I got the hot side! :-) I came to the conclusion, then, that the Republicans had sunk to a new low, lacking the maturity and diplomacy needed for handling delicate situations. The last thing we ever need is one of them handling world affairs.
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"[Marco Rubio] He has clarity of mind and can sum up a complex subject — Russia, the Middle East — in a way that is comprehensible but not oversimplified."
What Sen. Rubio did was to assail China for cyber attacks and for building artificial islands in the South China Sea, and he accused Vladimir Putin of threatening to destroy and divide NATO. As for the Middle East, he slammed the president for failing to back "moderates" in Syria and for negotiating the nuclear deal with Iran.
I don't see any evidence of genius here. What I see and hear are distilled versions of the same arguments the GOP has been making for years. What Rubio and others in the GOP haven't done did is to offer any specifics on what they would do to address global problems--apart from intervening militarily in various countries and taking us back to a cold war mentality with respect to Russia.
Marco Rubio did say that as president he would immediately jump on Air Force One to visit "key allies to let them know we stand with them." Excuse me for not finding that prescribed course of action all that bold or imaginative.
What Sen. Rubio did was to assail China for cyber attacks and for building artificial islands in the South China Sea, and he accused Vladimir Putin of threatening to destroy and divide NATO. As for the Middle East, he slammed the president for failing to back "moderates" in Syria and for negotiating the nuclear deal with Iran.
I don't see any evidence of genius here. What I see and hear are distilled versions of the same arguments the GOP has been making for years. What Rubio and others in the GOP haven't done did is to offer any specifics on what they would do to address global problems--apart from intervening militarily in various countries and taking us back to a cold war mentality with respect to Russia.
Marco Rubio did say that as president he would immediately jump on Air Force One to visit "key allies to let them know we stand with them." Excuse me for not finding that prescribed course of action all that bold or imaginative.
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how can he stand with our key allies when he wanted to reject a major deal with Iran they co-negotiated?
"This is no longer Bob Dole’s or George H.W. Bush’s G.O.P. But it’s not going to completely lose its mind, either."
But Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie?
Warmongers all, especially the first two - but then, look at the pool of candidates.
But Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie?
Warmongers all, especially the first two - but then, look at the pool of candidates.
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So David Brooks has reviewed the candidates and concluded that Rubio and Fiorina are the lesser two of fifteen evils. That's not a very positive endorsement, but it's better than the angry mob cheering and jeering that we see from the people who drool over every insult spewed by Donald Trump.
Say what you will about the Democrats, the Republican Party has become a cancer on this nation.
Say what you will about the Democrats, the Republican Party has become a cancer on this nation.
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Yet, when HDNY's currency no longer means anything in four or eight years, the last crew that can be blamed will be the opposition. Barack's goal of a $20+ Trillion debt should only need one term more of spendy, vote-buying socialism to raise interest payments so hugh that the social net will inevitably collapse. Saddle your unicorns!
By the way, this year's angry mobs? The only-some-lives matter protesters, earning Soros' checks telling America why it needs to burn down after murdering all its white cops.
You don't see GOP types out marching on those interstates screaming, do you? They're still going to work, but no, we ar told THEY are the problem, at least in mom's basement where HDNY studies.
By the way, this year's angry mobs? The only-some-lives matter protesters, earning Soros' checks telling America why it needs to burn down after murdering all its white cops.
You don't see GOP types out marching on those interstates screaming, do you? They're still going to work, but no, we ar told THEY are the problem, at least in mom's basement where HDNY studies.
Yeah, that is why people are moving to republican states like Texas and Florida
To me conservatism means prudently husbanding ones' financial, social and human resources. The GOP presidential candidates are destroyers behaving like scared children lashing out at imagined devils. Then too, some of them are just venal cynics grabbing airtime to enhance celebrity. I take them seriously only because they pose a threat to my health, safety and well-being.
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"Republicans radiate more alienation than the sophomore class at a Berkeley alternative high school."
Let's imagine that the right wingers decided to reject the status quo and decorum like it's 1968 all over again. Instead of "Don't trust anyone over 30," it's "Don't trust anyone with more than a high school education."
Here it is, folks, the Republican rebellion in all of its science-denying, jingoist and xenophobic glory!
Let's imagine that the right wingers decided to reject the status quo and decorum like it's 1968 all over again. Instead of "Don't trust anyone over 30," it's "Don't trust anyone with more than a high school education."
Here it is, folks, the Republican rebellion in all of its science-denying, jingoist and xenophobic glory!
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In order to win the general election, the GOP will have to nominate one of their saner and more moderate candidates - Kasich, Bush, Graham. Fiorina and Rubio are too right wing. While they may carry some of the primaries (if Trump gets out of the way) because the primary voters are further to the right, they will not draw the moderates and independents and "Regan Democrats" whom the GOP needs to win...
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Can't have Bush, are you nuts? Old man Bush runs the show from his sick bed with W. as his Senior adviser holding Dick Cheney's hand!
Graham is a moderate --he only wants to send 20,000 troops into Iraq. He would also like to take on the Russians in Syria and the Ukraine. Good thinking.
I don't agree with Brooks. I think many Americans want to discuss the issues Trump speaks to but they are afraid of being branded "misogynists" or out of touch bigots by the "PC" crowd that dominates our press. Rubio seems to have alot going for him but can he save the ESPN 30 for 30 type rhetoric about his Cuban Grandfather and tell us what he's going to do about Putin and his expansion of the new iron curtain . Bush is running on his brothers record of making US safe . Tell us what you will do to stop Iran from building a bomb. Real issues we want to hear real solutions about . If Trump is Don Rickles like, what is Christie ? How many times is Christie seen in the NY Post hanging out with Bon Jovi, hugging Jerry Jones at a Cowboy game. He's a baffoon. And tell Hillary we are still waiting for her to deliver on her Senate running promise to turn upstate NY into another Silicon Valley. You wonder why so many want Reagan dug up !
If democrats "fall in love", liberals become head over heels infatuated. Like the someone with a serious first crush, they stop seeing and hearing what they don't want to believe.
This was evident first with Obama, then Warren and now Bernie. The problem is they cannot discern when a candidate is speaking realistically about what can be done or blowing smoke. They just inhale, get light headed and ask for more.
The problem is they thrust these people on the rest of us. Now, they'd like to stick us with another Obama-type, someone whose ideas have zero chance of getting implemented and whose ideology prevents him from working with the other party. (Yes, Sanders is known as an "ideologue" in the Senate.)
This was evident first with Obama, then Warren and now Bernie. The problem is they cannot discern when a candidate is speaking realistically about what can be done or blowing smoke. They just inhale, get light headed and ask for more.
The problem is they thrust these people on the rest of us. Now, they'd like to stick us with another Obama-type, someone whose ideas have zero chance of getting implemented and whose ideology prevents him from working with the other party. (Yes, Sanders is known as an "ideologue" in the Senate.)
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What is Trump blowing? More to the point, what are you smoking?
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Mr. Obama was the one wasting his teenaged years smoking marijuana with his Choomers. Yet anybody on the Hard Left fringe thinks those wanting to ask how socialism will pay its bills are the dangerous ones. Oh, yeah, this makes PERFECT sense, Kevin.
Just as ''The Forgotten Man'' explained liberalism to America a few years ago, we don't even see honest discussion on the economy and jobs except on the Right side. Every Democrat simply tells workers to get on the dependency train and shut up and get in line.
Is America ready to trust its people again? That's what made us the best place in the world to live while big governments always, ALWAYS failed their citizens.
Just as ''The Forgotten Man'' explained liberalism to America a few years ago, we don't even see honest discussion on the economy and jobs except on the Right side. Every Democrat simply tells workers to get on the dependency train and shut up and get in line.
Is America ready to trust its people again? That's what made us the best place in the world to live while big governments always, ALWAYS failed their citizens.
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Obamacare, P5+1 deal, out of Iraq and Afghanistan, economy growing, unemployment down, Bin Laden dead, government open, Mars and Pluto exploration, deficit reduced...the list of Obama failures are growing. And he is in office until January, 2017.
President McCain and Romney knew and would have done better?
Whose report will you believe? The Hindu Indian Punjabi Piyush pretending to be Roman Catholic Louisiana Bobby? Or the white Canadian Cuban American Rafael posing as Texas Ted?
And I am not a big Obama fan. Nor am I Democrat nor a Republican. Independent am I. At least at the state and local level.
President McCain and Romney knew and would have done better?
Whose report will you believe? The Hindu Indian Punjabi Piyush pretending to be Roman Catholic Louisiana Bobby? Or the white Canadian Cuban American Rafael posing as Texas Ted?
And I am not a big Obama fan. Nor am I Democrat nor a Republican. Independent am I. At least at the state and local level.
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David: at long last, will you finally get rid of your childish fantasy that the party of Lincoln; the party of "free men, free soil, Fremont'; the party of Grant and Theodore Roosevelt, of Ike and Everett McKinley Dirkson, is no more?
Will you understand that lying about Planned Parenthood is not right, and betrays a craven desire for power that should disqualify Ms. Fiorina?
Will you comprehend the fact that a Senator from a state just a few feet above sea level should not deny man-made global climate change, and that fact should also prevent Mr. Rubio from leading our nation?
When will you stop your charade?
Will you understand that lying about Planned Parenthood is not right, and betrays a craven desire for power that should disqualify Ms. Fiorina?
Will you comprehend the fact that a Senator from a state just a few feet above sea level should not deny man-made global climate change, and that fact should also prevent Mr. Rubio from leading our nation?
When will you stop your charade?
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Planned Parenthood is as vulgar as the tapes reveal it to be
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Lying about Planned Parenthood? Look at the videos, the body parts, the admission by the senior staffers that they are in fact selling the bodies of aborted babies. What are you smoking that you can't see the truth. There is no fancy editing being done in the videos, the full transcripts are available. Get real, and know that PP is fueled with murder for profit.
When Hillary Clinton stops lying about her emails, her harrowing plane trips, and stops blocking the press from asking her any questions that aren't scripted within her comfort zone. When Bernie Sanders stops throwing out free everything for everyone, and the Democrats can scrounge among themselves for more than a couple of candidates.
A valiant attempt to stitch together a silk purse from unpromising material.
I thought David Brooks would still be backing a governor like Scott Walker or John Kasich despite the performances, I thought he'd go for the bread-and-butter candidates and eschew any trendiness.
My question at this point is how determinative are the debates going to be, compared, say, to campaign infrastructure and campaign events. Or compared to what I wonder may be a self-feeding cycle of polls and reporting on polls.
I thought David Brooks would still be backing a governor like Scott Walker or John Kasich despite the performances, I thought he'd go for the bread-and-butter candidates and eschew any trendiness.
My question at this point is how determinative are the debates going to be, compared, say, to campaign infrastructure and campaign events. Or compared to what I wonder may be a self-feeding cycle of polls and reporting on polls.
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Who said he's backing anyone? He's reporting on the candidates from a republican's/independent's viewpoint. Unfortunately, people go off half-cocked every time he mentions anything positive about a republican candidate.
I happen to believe republicans should be given credit for trying to shake up our political system. Democrats whine and complain about "the system" but can't seem to find anyone who would or could actually change it. Sanders is such an ideologue that he would be isolated from even other democrats almost immediately.
Who can change the system is the big question on republicans' minds. Who agrees with me seems to be the question on democrats' minds.
I happen to believe republicans should be given credit for trying to shake up our political system. Democrats whine and complain about "the system" but can't seem to find anyone who would or could actually change it. Sanders is such an ideologue that he would be isolated from even other democrats almost immediately.
Who can change the system is the big question on republicans' minds. Who agrees with me seems to be the question on democrats' minds.
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Hi AACNY,
I say he's backing people. Not just politicians, either. I would say David Brooks backs Steve Pinker and Samantha Power, for instance.
I say he's backing people. Not just politicians, either. I would say David Brooks backs Steve Pinker and Samantha Power, for instance.
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Really? Seems to me Republicans are looking for exactly someone who 'agrees with'me' or sakys out loud the horrible things I think. How else to explain Donald Trump?
Forget Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina. Forget everyone on that stage except John Kasich. The Republicans could basically lock up the election if they nominated him. He's not as popular as his 2014 election outcomes suggest (his opponent was a disaster), but he's popular enough that he'd carry Ohio easily. And probably many moderate blue states like Michigan, Wisconsin, Virginia. The fact is, he's run Ohio well. He's made compromises that satsify even liberals (expanding Medicaid). He has avoided social issues. Even in hard-hit cities such as Cleveland, there's optimism and growth.
If the GOP faithful could stop feasting on crazy, they'd realize they have a winner.
If the GOP faithful could stop feasting on crazy, they'd realize they have a winner.
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Maybe, I wouldn't vote for him.
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Either Kasich-Rubio or Rubio-Kasich is a solid winning ticket. Both are likable (unlike Hillary Clinton) and both are trusted (unlike Hillary Clinton). They would not only carry Ohio, but Florida too, where Hillary is trailing even Donald Trump.
He was also at the helm of Lehman Bros. when they tanked and took down the world economy. And, as it slid into oblivion, Kasich continued to stuff his big salary into his vest pockets. Another Wall Street puppet. Just what we need!!
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The decided lack of juice for Bush is the bracing context of the first lap of the Presidential sweepstakes. So much for the coronation sweeps stakes of Jeb/Hil redux. When Trump Implodes or gets bored , round 2, Senator Tail Gunner Cruz Vs all the rest....a scary RED MEAT fight for the soul of the sad pachyderm. Think Bob Taft on Crystal Meth,
The only good AMERICAN will come from a swing state town of under 5000 people, love the RIGHT GOD, and have always followed the rules despite the IRS attempts to steal his fillings to pay for them food stamp types. I feel the GOP tottering on the brink of implosion, 1972 style with McGovern style passion for the righteous cause.
The only good AMERICAN will come from a swing state town of under 5000 people, love the RIGHT GOD, and have always followed the rules despite the IRS attempts to steal his fillings to pay for them food stamp types. I feel the GOP tottering on the brink of implosion, 1972 style with McGovern style passion for the righteous cause.
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Except that McGovern was an honest man with values. Unlike the GOP candidates he was a combat veteran. He was able to work in a bipartisan style with Bob Dole on food and hunger issues and in 1972 he was right about Vietnam and other things.
Donald Trump has driven you to suggest that a freshman Senator and failed computer executive and bilious, angry governor are the party's best presidential choices? Maybe you are correct, but I would suggest that the party first get Trump off the stage, and then allow the others a chance to create a real discussion and race.
That might mean losing a bunch of Tea Party cranks to a third party run by Trump, but at least we'd have a race based on ideas, experience, and leadership skills and not this insane mud tossing contest. Rubio, Fiorina, and Christy only look good in a mirror created by Trump; elsewise each has significant weaknesses.
That might mean losing a bunch of Tea Party cranks to a third party run by Trump, but at least we'd have a race based on ideas, experience, and leadership skills and not this insane mud tossing contest. Rubio, Fiorina, and Christy only look good in a mirror created by Trump; elsewise each has significant weaknesses.
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Mr. Brooks's staements has several flaws. First, Kennedy, Clinton, and Obama had experience in the pollticial arena although Obama had a short run as Senator. Second, while Mark Rubio has a good grasp of politics, his solutions are naive and both he and Carly Fiorina are war mongers. Rubio is too west behind the ears and Fiorina's tenure at HP wasn't just spotty, it was deplorable. She can't hold a candle to Hillary Clinton and certainly desn't speak to women's issues. She outright lied about the Planned Parenthood video and did not mention one single woman's issue. Trump vularity certainly can be critized but he is the only one who really had the backbone to shake up the party.
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And "shaking up the Party "will lead to what? A shaken up Party with more idiotic fantasies and more bizarre and scary ideas.
Precisely. JFK served 3 terms in Congress and was serving his second term in the Senate when he ran in 1960.
Bill Clinton served 4 terms as governor of Arkansas. Before that he served as attorney general of that state.
These were not inexperienced candidates, excluding Obama.
Bill Clinton served 4 terms as governor of Arkansas. Before that he served as attorney general of that state.
These were not inexperienced candidates, excluding Obama.
You forgot to mention democrats are abortion mongers
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"Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted," Ha, Ha, you are kidding, right? Norman Braman, look him up!
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Thanks. I am not published yet, but I brought that up too, but forgot the sugar daddies name. I think he wrote this one between book tour meetings hawking his latest missive no one reads.
When you can't come up with an idea for a column, this is what we get. Better to leave the space empty next time.
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Good suggestion... or the Yeats poem about the beast slouching towards Bethlehem to be born...
Marco Antonio Rubio is a very dim bulb along the lines of J. Danforth Quayle and Sarah Palin. Rubio's alleged foreign policy insight and brilliance is that of a sponge or parrot. Rubio trots out the conservative Republican foreign policy talking points with confidence up until the time that he is asked a question or challenged. Then like a wide-eyed doe fawn he repeats himself, gets flustered and starts to mumble and meander. Rubio is no John F. Kennedy nor Barack H. Obama.
Carly Fiorina has mismanaged every business that she had led into free market capitalist failure. Simple chance would seem to offer some success. That kind of business incompetence does not come about naturally. Carly Fiorina has had to work very hard and long to become so terminally ignorant. Carly Fiorina fires people and tries to blend and merge businesses with neither synergy nor energy. Carly Fiorina is a master of corrupt scavenging vulture crony capitalism. That she did this while a woman is embarrassing to competent business women. Fiorina is no Ursula Burns nor Penny Pritzker.
By focusing on Rubio and Fiorina as offering some comparative merit in this Republican 2016 POTUS field harkens back to the adage that "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
Carly Fiorina has mismanaged every business that she had led into free market capitalist failure. Simple chance would seem to offer some success. That kind of business incompetence does not come about naturally. Carly Fiorina has had to work very hard and long to become so terminally ignorant. Carly Fiorina fires people and tries to blend and merge businesses with neither synergy nor energy. Carly Fiorina is a master of corrupt scavenging vulture crony capitalism. That she did this while a woman is embarrassing to competent business women. Fiorina is no Ursula Burns nor Penny Pritzker.
By focusing on Rubio and Fiorina as offering some comparative merit in this Republican 2016 POTUS field harkens back to the adage that "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king."
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Time should tell whether your rather harsh assessments of Republicans may be accurate, but your hypocrisy is revealed when you do not apply the same exacting expectations to Barack Obama.
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Corollary, in the land of the blind the one eyed man who can still smell bovine feces is king, but not by much.
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@ George
The truth is neither harsh nor soft. It simply is.
I am no fan of Barack Obama. See my many critical past posts.
But this OP-ED piece was written by the NYT resident conservative Republican about the Republican field. Where you impugn my hypocrisy, relevance was my guide post.
The truth is neither harsh nor soft. It simply is.
I am no fan of Barack Obama. See my many critical past posts.
But this OP-ED piece was written by the NYT resident conservative Republican about the Republican field. Where you impugn my hypocrisy, relevance was my guide post.
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"So far, Fiorina has looked like the most impressive candidate."
She who will bomb anyone or anything within here reach is impressing Mr. Brooks. I wonder if deep down he is still in favor of beating the war drums, as he was doing in the past.
"Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted."
He who has deeply borrowed and is indebted to a car dealer is uncorrupted. He who mixes up his personal and candidate accounts is uncorrupted. It is time for Mr. Brooks to look up the meaning of that word.
Seriously, please look up the meaning of no bombs, no corruption in the dictionary. That's where you'll find Bernie Sanders. Are you feeling the Bern??
She who will bomb anyone or anything within here reach is impressing Mr. Brooks. I wonder if deep down he is still in favor of beating the war drums, as he was doing in the past.
"Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted."
He who has deeply borrowed and is indebted to a car dealer is uncorrupted. He who mixes up his personal and candidate accounts is uncorrupted. It is time for Mr. Brooks to look up the meaning of that word.
Seriously, please look up the meaning of no bombs, no corruption in the dictionary. That's where you'll find Bernie Sanders. Are you feeling the Bern??
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A serious candidate who would elevate fetuses above the rights of women, and would lie about the "evidence' of a film is a serious demagogue. Fiorina's last hurrah occurred because she threw mud back at Trump, who has emerged unscathed.
Sanders will digest each of these heroes of Too Big To Fail oligarchs.
Sanders will digest each of these heroes of Too Big To Fail oligarchs.
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David,
It is time to think of the welfare of your country. The only executive chair Marco Rubio could fit would be as the next puppet dictator of Cuba representing the hopes and wishes of Las Vegas gambling moguls like Sheldon Adelson. Yes that is so 1950s but so is Leave it to Beaver and Ronald Reagan.
It is time for David Brooks to think of his country and if he can't abide Bernie Sanders and honesty and integrity his only choices are a real conservative like Hillary Clinton or one of the characters from Wednesday debacle who promise this planet endless war and an extended visit to a rather dystopic Ronald Reagan Fantasyland.
It is time to think of the welfare of your country. The only executive chair Marco Rubio could fit would be as the next puppet dictator of Cuba representing the hopes and wishes of Las Vegas gambling moguls like Sheldon Adelson. Yes that is so 1950s but so is Leave it to Beaver and Ronald Reagan.
It is time for David Brooks to think of his country and if he can't abide Bernie Sanders and honesty and integrity his only choices are a real conservative like Hillary Clinton or one of the characters from Wednesday debacle who promise this planet endless war and an extended visit to a rather dystopic Ronald Reagan Fantasyland.
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It would be good to consider the fact that Brooks and all Republicans are identified by the Country they do represent: the 1%. Everyone else is an employee, who should be grateful for their job.
Joseph,
I am well aware of the American Enterprise Institute the Koch Brothers and Dick Cheney and the other patrons and members of its board of directors Yes I know they serve only themselves but like Bernie Sanders one cannot preach only to the converted.
I am well aware of the American Enterprise Institute the Koch Brothers and Dick Cheney and the other patrons and members of its board of directors Yes I know they serve only themselves but like Bernie Sanders one cannot preach only to the converted.
David, your kinda-sorta endorsement of the guy who couldn't bring himself to say that evolution is valid science speaks volumes about you and the GOP scrum.
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"But her [Fiorina's] spotty record at Hewlett-Packard probably means she can’t start at the top of the ticket."
Then what qualifies her for the second spot?
"Right now, Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie are best positioned to occupy that space [the not allegely not completely mindless space]."
Yeah -- and I have a George Washington Bridge to sell you. BTW, perhaps Mr.Brooks didn't read Paul Krugman's column today, where he points out that Christie lies constantly about when he was appointed U.S. Attorney (not on September 10, 2001 but rather months later).
"This is no longer Bob Dole’s or George H.W. Bush’s G.O.P. But it’s not going to completely lose its mind, either."
I leave it to the rest of Mr. Brooks's readers to comment on this one.
Then what qualifies her for the second spot?
"Right now, Rubio, Fiorina and maybe Chris Christie are best positioned to occupy that space [the not allegely not completely mindless space]."
Yeah -- and I have a George Washington Bridge to sell you. BTW, perhaps Mr.Brooks didn't read Paul Krugman's column today, where he points out that Christie lies constantly about when he was appointed U.S. Attorney (not on September 10, 2001 but rather months later).
"This is no longer Bob Dole’s or George H.W. Bush’s G.O.P. But it’s not going to completely lose its mind, either."
I leave it to the rest of Mr. Brooks's readers to comment on this one.
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Had anyone realized that "fantasy football" had infiltrated the punditry?
Fundamentals, tax cuts for the rich, dismantling Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, ending food stamps and the minimum wage, and preserving white privilege for white men while ending equal protection for women and preventing Blacks and Hispanics from voting all put aside, picking Rubio and Fiorina as the team to beat still seems Quixotic.
Recognizing that Republicans want to rid themselves of Trump stink, they still have all this other "stuff" festering.
Rubio? Given his transparent pandering, his junior high presentation style, and his reputation as Hispanic Uncle Tom, Rubio is such a loser that one wonders what Brooks is distracted by in picking him to lead the ticket.
Fiorina did throw mud on Donald proving that she can be as mean as he is, but clearly her appeal is lost on women, men, and all non-1%ers.
They are the most impressive candidates because the other candidates are so confused that only anti-Trump and a strange blinding "crush" are enough? A single issue candidate used to be the "fetus is a person" crew. Now it's "I talked back to Trump".
Fundamentals, tax cuts for the rich, dismantling Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, ending food stamps and the minimum wage, and preserving white privilege for white men while ending equal protection for women and preventing Blacks and Hispanics from voting all put aside, picking Rubio and Fiorina as the team to beat still seems Quixotic.
Recognizing that Republicans want to rid themselves of Trump stink, they still have all this other "stuff" festering.
Rubio? Given his transparent pandering, his junior high presentation style, and his reputation as Hispanic Uncle Tom, Rubio is such a loser that one wonders what Brooks is distracted by in picking him to lead the ticket.
Fiorina did throw mud on Donald proving that she can be as mean as he is, but clearly her appeal is lost on women, men, and all non-1%ers.
They are the most impressive candidates because the other candidates are so confused that only anti-Trump and a strange blinding "crush" are enough? A single issue candidate used to be the "fetus is a person" crew. Now it's "I talked back to Trump".
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I'm surprised by all the interest in Ms. Fiorina.
Forget about her unfortunate career at HP. Just look at her demeanor.
The only candidate that can compete with her in the category of "Most Terrifying" is Ted Cruz.
She is brittle, stiff and completely humorless. Humor is not an important quality for the sake of keeping everyone amused - it's an important quality to maintain your own sanity. And Carly just doesn't have that going on.
In the field of psychology, it is understood that everyone needs/has defense mechanisms. Humor is considered a high level defense mechanism, while a strategy like denial is considered much more primitive, due to the obvious separation from reality.
Then, of course, there are all of Ms. Fiorina's outright lies, with the Planned Parenthood comments just the tip of the iceberg. Telling lies takes you out of the "defense mechanism" category, and lands you straight on the psychopathology pile.
What about her military exercises to frighten the Russians? That belligerence is hardly a sign of strength.
It's a sign of profound inner weakness. And that is reason to be very afraid.
Forget about her unfortunate career at HP. Just look at her demeanor.
The only candidate that can compete with her in the category of "Most Terrifying" is Ted Cruz.
She is brittle, stiff and completely humorless. Humor is not an important quality for the sake of keeping everyone amused - it's an important quality to maintain your own sanity. And Carly just doesn't have that going on.
In the field of psychology, it is understood that everyone needs/has defense mechanisms. Humor is considered a high level defense mechanism, while a strategy like denial is considered much more primitive, due to the obvious separation from reality.
Then, of course, there are all of Ms. Fiorina's outright lies, with the Planned Parenthood comments just the tip of the iceberg. Telling lies takes you out of the "defense mechanism" category, and lands you straight on the psychopathology pile.
What about her military exercises to frighten the Russians? That belligerence is hardly a sign of strength.
It's a sign of profound inner weakness. And that is reason to be very afraid.
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I'm sorry, but is column this supposed to make us feel better about the Republican three-ring circus for president? I can't think of anything I've read lately that is more of a condemnation of the republican party - and justification for electing a democrat to run the white house.
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Fiorina was not being truthful when she described the Planned Parenthood video. Of course I am sure Ms. F never stepped into a Planned Parenthood facility since it is for women who are not millionaires. Also only women can get abortions no one under 18 without parental consent.
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Basically what you're saying, David is that a Rubio-Fiorina ticket will only be half crazy so that will be acceptable to a political party already caught in the grip of madness as evidenced by the debate on Wednesday night.
Half crazy won't be acceptable in the general election and it could lead to substantial democratic gains in Congress and winning the presidency. Both Rubio and Fiorina demonstrated their appeal to extremists in the party but fortunately, their base is a small fragment of the American population.
You set a low bar for the general election.
Half crazy won't be acceptable in the general election and it could lead to substantial democratic gains in Congress and winning the presidency. Both Rubio and Fiorina demonstrated their appeal to extremists in the party but fortunately, their base is a small fragment of the American population.
You set a low bar for the general election.
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Polishing a turd, David? Give it up. Your party is a joke.
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Moira.
I did laugh out loud at your comment.
Thanks for the smile.
I did laugh out loud at your comment.
Thanks for the smile.
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The fact that you think Rubio is a "genius" (even if only in explaining things) is truly frightening.
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Mr. Brooks may well be right that a Rubio-Fiorino ticket is the best the Republicans have to offer.
However, if there is a sadder comment on the state of the Republicans today, I cannot imagine what it is...
However, if there is a sadder comment on the state of the Republicans today, I cannot imagine what it is...
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There is no way to make the lead ballon, that is the GOP, fly by dropping some ballast. The candidates are terrible one and all. The most amazing situation to me was when Santorum had to defend his (incredibly stingy) plan to raise the minimum wage by 50 cents in 3 years. That already made him the socialist of the bunch. He was suddenly the one to remind a thunderstruck audience that 90% of Americans are wage earners, not "makers", and that there was nothing strange about the GOP's floundering, when the entire Party didn't give a hoot about those 90%.
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You are dreaming if you think Rubio will end up at the top of the ticket. But you're at least right that somehow a candidate will emerge from this circus--six long, long months from now. The prospect of watching three hours of hair-pulling and eye-gouging was so distasteful that I didn't go near a television while the debate was playing. But I can't avoid the wall-to-wall coverage of this deeply phony and exceedingly weird process. Wish I could.
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Mr. Brooks describes Carly and Marco with words like "spotty" and "genius" when "failure" and "incoherent" are more accurate.
I want neither near the nuclear button, or picking judges. The other GOP "candidates" are as unqualified.
I want neither near the nuclear button, or picking judges. The other GOP "candidates" are as unqualified.
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Mr. Brooks, even you? Mr. Brooks, you too are confusing tone for content tone for substance. Tone for tone's sake. Epic failure.
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"The Rubio-Fiorina Option"
I'm not so sure how that would work as a presidential ticket, but it's a really excellent title for an action movie!
Two self described "non-scientists" manage to win an election by hypnotizing the electorate and then threaten to nuke random countries unless they are paid 1 million dollars each.
I'm not so sure how that would work as a presidential ticket, but it's a really excellent title for an action movie!
Two self described "non-scientists" manage to win an election by hypnotizing the electorate and then threaten to nuke random countries unless they are paid 1 million dollars each.
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Why the impossibility of deporting 11 million foreign criminals setting up light house-keeping in these free and independent states. Why 11 million? Lets start with 11 thousand. And then another 11 thousand. And yet another 11 thousand.
Until the message reaches our narco-neighbors to the south. You are unwelcome.
You are not allowed to displace our underemployed citizens, many of whose ancestors arrived on these golden shores in the holds of salve ships, in a substandard, tax exempt, underground economy. You are not welcome to utilize our health, welfare and educational system and pass the cost on to the American taxpayers. You are not free to create a separate national entity, speaking a foreign language and ignoring American laws, within our borders.
In short, American laws continue to apply, not only to American citizens, but also to alien invaders.
Until the message reaches our narco-neighbors to the south. You are unwelcome.
You are not allowed to displace our underemployed citizens, many of whose ancestors arrived on these golden shores in the holds of salve ships, in a substandard, tax exempt, underground economy. You are not welcome to utilize our health, welfare and educational system and pass the cost on to the American taxpayers. You are not free to create a separate national entity, speaking a foreign language and ignoring American laws, within our borders.
In short, American laws continue to apply, not only to American citizens, but also to alien invaders.
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David is sounding increasingly like that dweeby guy who played the liberial on Fox News. It didn't matter what that guy actually said it was the mere fact of his presence that allowed Fox to proclaim itself Fair and Balanced. So goes with David Brooks. How else to explain his choice of a corporate miscreant and a big-money bum boy as his choices to lead the free world. Frankly I'd rather see Brooks himself than any of the bold names he has to endorse but after reading the column I see he has lost his soul. Too bad. A really bright guy.
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Trump is supported by "the socially insecure"? That will go over big with
Trump supporters. They "would never have the guys to take on" the elite GOP?
That's exactly what they are doing... by supporting Trump.
Dave, you and Mitt Romney should do lunch.
Trump supporters. They "would never have the guys to take on" the elite GOP?
That's exactly what they are doing... by supporting Trump.
Dave, you and Mitt Romney should do lunch.
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After all the demagogue speeches, a paraphrasing of Julius Caesar seems apt: "the fault is not in the Republicans' stars, but in themselves." The candidates are not speaking like ignorant nuts because they are stupid, but rather, because they are clever. They are giving their foolish faithful what they want, and being rewarded for it. That is the truly frightening take-away from the debates. Until more Americans demand more, the rest of us will get what they deserve.
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Need only read one paragraph to know Brooks the shill is back. "Rubio is young and thus uncorrupted." The guy who has one sugar daddy who has paid Rubio's and his wife freight for years! That is the definition of uncorrupted. He seeks clarity. I see cognitive dissonance. He claims a reasoned plan, I see magical thinking. He sees Carly Fiorene as competent, I see a money grubbing Simone Legre. Guess he and I don't see eye to eye.
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The party is steering a cpurse between policy and outsider....? More like of the rails and headed toward the ravine.
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The "love fest" with Carly Fiorina on the part of short-sighted New York Times writers continue. A woman who couldn't come up with ONE NAME of her sex to appear on our country's currency as well as LIE to discredit Planned Parenthood which is mostly a source of healthcare for poor women has NO PLACE on ANY national ticket. Add to that her FAILED stewardship at HP and.....and then to mention the name of Chris Christie.....what planet are these Times writers living on?
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It wasn't that Fiorina "couldn't come up with ONE NAME,", it was that she felt the entire exercise was foolish. Her pander-detector is quite strong. She doesn't like it when women are reduced to silly gestures.
I agreed with her.
I agreed with her.
Carly Fiorina's signature moment was quickly and authoritatively reciting a string of absolute gibberish. Expand the Sixth Fleet, which already boasts more tonnage of ships than the entire navy of most countries. Build highly experimental missile defenses in Poland, for reasons. Send more troops to Germany, because the 40,000 already there evidently aren't enough to intimidate the Russian leadership. If bluster and sword-rattling solved all of our diplomatic troubles, George W. Bush would have been the most successful president of all time in international affairs. It doesn't, which goes a long way towards explaining why Bush looks more like the least successful.
She also completely fabricated a gristly slaughterhouse scene and inserted it into undercover Planned Parenthood "gotcha" videos that show nothing of the sort - and then doubled down on her own fabrication when challenged later, after the debate.
So this is the hope of the Republican Party - someone who boldly proclaims lies and nonsense, then angrily refuses to admit the truth. I would still take her, mind, over Rubio, whose lust for the fancy houses and pleasure boats that he "deserved" proved so great that he (and his wife) have taken hundreds of thousands of dollars in "salary" from Florida billionaire Norman Braman.
Rubio the bought and paid for senator and Fiorina the lying business failure. What a ticket!
She also completely fabricated a gristly slaughterhouse scene and inserted it into undercover Planned Parenthood "gotcha" videos that show nothing of the sort - and then doubled down on her own fabrication when challenged later, after the debate.
So this is the hope of the Republican Party - someone who boldly proclaims lies and nonsense, then angrily refuses to admit the truth. I would still take her, mind, over Rubio, whose lust for the fancy houses and pleasure boats that he "deserved" proved so great that he (and his wife) have taken hundreds of thousands of dollars in "salary" from Florida billionaire Norman Braman.
Rubio the bought and paid for senator and Fiorina the lying business failure. What a ticket!
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Chris Christie! He has the same bullying braggadocio that Donald Trump is so fond of. The state of New Jersey is economically troubled and the bridge shut-down in Fort Lee was symptomatic of wide-spread corruption and abuse of power.
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The topic indicated by the title received two sparse paragraphs toward the end of the piece, and they are a stretch.
Carly Fiorina demonstrated her talent for 'signature moments' by making stuff up, and Rubio is 'uncorrupted' purely by virtue of his 'youth' (never mind the actual details of his own personal spending patterns and pursuit of wealth), and also capable of making ill-conceived ideas 'comprehensible.'
Then throw in Chris Christie at the end as if we wouldn't notice. Sheesh.
At the beginning of the article you name three very significant presidents on the Democratic side, "even if they lack experience," and a list of losers plus a mythical figure whose actions are at odds with his gauzy legacy on the Republican side. (no mention of the significance of their 'experience')
That's what you're working with as you struggle to create this new shiny narrative.
Carly Fiorina demonstrated her talent for 'signature moments' by making stuff up, and Rubio is 'uncorrupted' purely by virtue of his 'youth' (never mind the actual details of his own personal spending patterns and pursuit of wealth), and also capable of making ill-conceived ideas 'comprehensible.'
Then throw in Chris Christie at the end as if we wouldn't notice. Sheesh.
At the beginning of the article you name three very significant presidents on the Democratic side, "even if they lack experience," and a list of losers plus a mythical figure whose actions are at odds with his gauzy legacy on the Republican side. (no mention of the significance of their 'experience')
That's what you're working with as you struggle to create this new shiny narrative.
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The best metaphor for Marco's views on Foreign Policy are one of those 1950's American relics cruising the streets of Havana. When you listen to his foreign policy positions on Russia and China there is a Manichean Cold War simplicity..He believes in American Exceptionalism and military solutions. He rails about freedom for the Chinese people and the need to confront Putin with force. He comes across as charismatic and forceful,which of course,is easier when you are without nuance.David, he may not admit it, but what Marco really wants is the vice presidential nomination. His age and demographic are the perfect fit. He is a shrewd self promoter and knows he has time on his side.
Some media members are unctuously euphoric about Carly Fiorina's debate performance. The problem is she lied. The PPH body parts video that she told everyone about doesn't exist. She has misrepresented her career and firing at HP. She has distorted Hillary Clinton's statements on Benghazi. When you peel away the idealogical layers of Carly Fiorina, and get to her core you will find that bitter pit of dogma, demonization, and distortion that is the 3D signature of the Republican Party.
Some media members are unctuously euphoric about Carly Fiorina's debate performance. The problem is she lied. The PPH body parts video that she told everyone about doesn't exist. She has misrepresented her career and firing at HP. She has distorted Hillary Clinton's statements on Benghazi. When you peel away the idealogical layers of Carly Fiorina, and get to her core you will find that bitter pit of dogma, demonization, and distortion that is the 3D signature of the Republican Party.
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We are heading into the year 2016. The 21st century. The United States of America. Supposedly the most "powerful" country on the planet. David, you are one of the more erudite columnists. Can you really be serious as to say that Carly Fiorina, Marco Rubio, and "Bridge Gate" Christie represent the "future" of the Republican party?? If that's true, the inmates will truly be running the asylum.
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Face it David, individually and collectively they are the very worse excuses for presidential candidates, and nothing that any those " candidates " stated as policy was the least bit relevant for 2016-2020, constructive for our nation's domestic well-being, and helpful for international relations.
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Honesty and character should require Mr. Brooks to admit he'd vote for Hillary first. Robio and fiorina may be the best the GOP has but they are hardly adequate.
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I think it's time you wrote an op-ed on your Republican voter today - who are
they? And why? Clearly, there is a large swath of Republicans who do not
represent the values of traditional conservatism we once knew. These Trump
aficianados form a tribe of sheer ignoramuses we've rarely seen in your party.
I can't help but wonder at your continued loyalty to this party that today spouts
such bigotry, hate, misogyny , lack of scientific information, distortion of facts,
- how can you discount the facts and continue to support this? You must
have your head in the clouds - or in some Hamiltonian dreamland.
they? And why? Clearly, there is a large swath of Republicans who do not
represent the values of traditional conservatism we once knew. These Trump
aficianados form a tribe of sheer ignoramuses we've rarely seen in your party.
I can't help but wonder at your continued loyalty to this party that today spouts
such bigotry, hate, misogyny , lack of scientific information, distortion of facts,
- how can you discount the facts and continue to support this? You must
have your head in the clouds - or in some Hamiltonian dreamland.
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"Maybe Chris Christie"... Ha Ha...For starters count New Jersey, Colorado, Washington state, and Alaska out, throw in teachers and seniors..... that suggestion gave me my first laugh today.
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The only candidate that offered an adult perspective on foreign policy was Rand Paul.
Fiorna, Rubio, et al were tripping over themselves to be the most aggressive and militaristic. That led to absurdities like Carly saying she wouldn't talk with Russia, or Huckabee calling Iran "an existential threat"to western civilization.
Meanwhile, Paul cogently warned against this reckless and misguided foreign policy. In the ongoing debate between interventionists and realists, Paul presented a persuasive case for prudence and restraint.
Fiorna, Rubio, et al were tripping over themselves to be the most aggressive and militaristic. That led to absurdities like Carly saying she wouldn't talk with Russia, or Huckabee calling Iran "an existential threat"to western civilization.
Meanwhile, Paul cogently warned against this reckless and misguided foreign policy. In the ongoing debate between interventionists and realists, Paul presented a persuasive case for prudence and restraint.
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"Trump’s Don Rickles act wears thin. His ego may be galaxy-sized, but his policy ignorance is a void that overspills the known universe. He’s the Wizard of Oz. When the bluster curtain falls down, what’s left is pathetic."
His policy ignorance? So the Republicans - apart from Mr. Trump - are going to run on their GRASP of policy? No science? No statistical evaluation of issues? No education? Less - rather than BETTER - government? More Military? Faster Military deployments anywhere? Less taxation for themselves, less Healthcare - except for themselves - coupled with ACTIVE intervention between individual women and their healthcare providers?, etc etc.
Brace yourself, Mr. B: You're making the case FOR Donald Trump's nomination.
His policy ignorance? So the Republicans - apart from Mr. Trump - are going to run on their GRASP of policy? No science? No statistical evaluation of issues? No education? Less - rather than BETTER - government? More Military? Faster Military deployments anywhere? Less taxation for themselves, less Healthcare - except for themselves - coupled with ACTIVE intervention between individual women and their healthcare providers?, etc etc.
Brace yourself, Mr. B: You're making the case FOR Donald Trump's nomination.
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Fiorina a genius? And then you claim the GOP isn't nuts? I thought she came off more like rabid. The Republicans havelost 5 of the last 6 national elections, and now their "base" is rebelling against the party's phony bill of goods. Dream on, Mr. Brooks.
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Rubio uncorrupted Mr. Brooks?
Surely you jest. He used to tell the heartwarming tale of his parents brave flight from eternal communist enslavement. The way he told it they swam the whole way. Handcuffed and shackled. In the snow. Uphill. Both ways.
In fact they flew out on Eastern Airlines, three years before Castro took power. For a job in Las Vegas, arranged by "casino interests" in Havana. Today he still refers to his parents as exiles when they are plain old migrants.
When in the state legislature Rubio used republican party credit cards for car repairs, flowers, groceries, gasoline and pavers for his driveway. He and his wife are literally on the payroll of billionaire auto magnate Norman Braman.
Most dangerously, for other Americans children, the never worn a uniform, never been to war tyro is pimping perpetual war. Talking tough about Russia, Iran, China and, of course, Cuba.
Surely you jest. He used to tell the heartwarming tale of his parents brave flight from eternal communist enslavement. The way he told it they swam the whole way. Handcuffed and shackled. In the snow. Uphill. Both ways.
In fact they flew out on Eastern Airlines, three years before Castro took power. For a job in Las Vegas, arranged by "casino interests" in Havana. Today he still refers to his parents as exiles when they are plain old migrants.
When in the state legislature Rubio used republican party credit cards for car repairs, flowers, groceries, gasoline and pavers for his driveway. He and his wife are literally on the payroll of billionaire auto magnate Norman Braman.
Most dangerously, for other Americans children, the never worn a uniform, never been to war tyro is pimping perpetual war. Talking tough about Russia, Iran, China and, of course, Cuba.
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Two paragraphs in and David Brooks has got me in a spit take again.
"Democrats have historically liked presidential nominees they can go gaga for, even if they lack experience: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy." Like John McPhee in the New Yorker, I'm noting who he left out: Bernie Sanders. People are going bonkers over a politician (politician!) who dares to tell the truth and whose record of voting lines up with his rhetoric. His legacy as a mayor of a city still gets respect from both ends and the middle of the political spectrum in Burlington. But could David Brooks mention him in a column? Apparently not.
And then, still in the second paragraph this: "Republicans on the other hand like to nominate the guy who’s paid his dues and already lost a presidential run: Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney." Again, what's left out? Richard Nixon, who paid his dues thrice. Once when he lost to Kennedy, again losing to Goldwater in the primaries and then again having won the Presidency twice, only to leave in the biggest disgrace of the century to date -- see below.
No mention of him because, well, because disgrace.
The biggest disgrace of any Republican Administration has to be the invasion of Iraq in the spring of 2003. But let's talk of love, inner adolescence, and middle age.
Quoting my father, "Pshaw."
"Democrats have historically liked presidential nominees they can go gaga for, even if they lack experience: Barack Obama, Bill Clinton and John F. Kennedy." Like John McPhee in the New Yorker, I'm noting who he left out: Bernie Sanders. People are going bonkers over a politician (politician!) who dares to tell the truth and whose record of voting lines up with his rhetoric. His legacy as a mayor of a city still gets respect from both ends and the middle of the political spectrum in Burlington. But could David Brooks mention him in a column? Apparently not.
And then, still in the second paragraph this: "Republicans on the other hand like to nominate the guy who’s paid his dues and already lost a presidential run: Ronald Reagan, Bob Dole, John McCain and Mitt Romney." Again, what's left out? Richard Nixon, who paid his dues thrice. Once when he lost to Kennedy, again losing to Goldwater in the primaries and then again having won the Presidency twice, only to leave in the biggest disgrace of the century to date -- see below.
No mention of him because, well, because disgrace.
The biggest disgrace of any Republican Administration has to be the invasion of Iraq in the spring of 2003. But let's talk of love, inner adolescence, and middle age.
Quoting my father, "Pshaw."
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"Republicans used to be split between economic and social conservatives."
The right in all countries, the GOP are no different, split between BigMoney and TheRabble (identity politics/nationalist, racist, biggots).
Usually BigMoney buys the politicians who then compete to see who can appeal to the rabble without tainting themselves too much to be able to win a general election.
In American politics, he who pays the piper calls the tune, that means what a politician says means less than who they take money from.
In essence you aren't voting for the candidate, you are voting for the person they take money from.
It might say "Scott Walker" on the ballot, but you are really voting for the Koch brothers.
Trump is BigMoney. He takes money from no one. So, he can talk rabble directly to the rabble.
What does BigMoney want? To end Social Security. What does the Rabble want? They want Social Security that they've paid into all their lives to finally pay them back.
What does BigMoney want? Outsourcing, offshoring, cheap immigrant labor, the cheaper the better, so yes they want illegals too. What does the Rabble want? No more outsourcing, off shoring, or illegal immigration.
I realize a purchased Rubio and a purchased Fiorina could possibly erode Hillary's appeal to Hispanics and Women (but not much) - and so is a dream candidate for the likes of Brooks... a girl's gotta have a dream, you know.
None of this will succeed against Bernie but Trump would reduce the defections.
The right in all countries, the GOP are no different, split between BigMoney and TheRabble (identity politics/nationalist, racist, biggots).
Usually BigMoney buys the politicians who then compete to see who can appeal to the rabble without tainting themselves too much to be able to win a general election.
In American politics, he who pays the piper calls the tune, that means what a politician says means less than who they take money from.
In essence you aren't voting for the candidate, you are voting for the person they take money from.
It might say "Scott Walker" on the ballot, but you are really voting for the Koch brothers.
Trump is BigMoney. He takes money from no one. So, he can talk rabble directly to the rabble.
What does BigMoney want? To end Social Security. What does the Rabble want? They want Social Security that they've paid into all their lives to finally pay them back.
What does BigMoney want? Outsourcing, offshoring, cheap immigrant labor, the cheaper the better, so yes they want illegals too. What does the Rabble want? No more outsourcing, off shoring, or illegal immigration.
I realize a purchased Rubio and a purchased Fiorina could possibly erode Hillary's appeal to Hispanics and Women (but not much) - and so is a dream candidate for the likes of Brooks... a girl's gotta have a dream, you know.
None of this will succeed against Bernie but Trump would reduce the defections.
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The only pertinent fact in the 2016 election is that for 70 consecutive years - the entire post war period since 1945 - through all 16 administrations (9 GOP, 7 Dem) Americans and the American economy always always always do better under a Democrat than a GOP'er, as was shown in 2014 by economists Alan Blinder and Mark Watson:
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/29/5945583/the-us-economy-grows-faster-under-d...
By every economic measure, including the unemployment rate, stock profits, GDP growth, the Dems are ahead of GOP'ers; it's not even a close race, and the fact that GOP'ers didn't accidentally (even once) slip up and out-perform the Dems fully illustrates that GOP'ers are really not interested in making the economy optimally perform for the vast majority of Americans.
http://www.vox.com/2014/7/29/5945583/the-us-economy-grows-faster-under-d...
By every economic measure, including the unemployment rate, stock profits, GDP growth, the Dems are ahead of GOP'ers; it's not even a close race, and the fact that GOP'ers didn't accidentally (even once) slip up and out-perform the Dems fully illustrates that GOP'ers are really not interested in making the economy optimally perform for the vast majority of Americans.
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One prominent exception was the Carter administration, which brought 20% mortgage interest rates, the 1973 oil crisis and higher fuel rates and the "economic malaise," which severely hurt employment figures. Not all Democratic administrations have been good for the American economy!
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mike - Click the link, Carter was better than Nixon-Ford (remember Ford's " Drop Dead " message to NYC); besides, Carter hired Paul Volcker to head the Fed and strangle inflation :)
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How did Jimmy Carter, elected in 1976, bring on the 1973 oil crisis?
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David Brooks is making the best of a disaster of Republican candidates for President. There's no way to shine it up, David. It's a pretty dismal lineup.
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Wake up Brooks
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The drowning man, grasping at straws; after having helped create the flood.
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I’m surprised that David is so swept up by the ups and downs of an extended primary season just begun, months before the first caucuses, many months before the conventions anoint candidates and well over one year before the actual election. What Rubio and Fiorina have done, along with Kasich, is distinguish themselves sufficiently to eventually be considered viable choices as Jeb!’s Veep offering.
By a majority of 64 to 30, conservative Republicans tell pollsters they want their candidate to be an outsider NOW. But Rubio, like Obama, is a first-term U.S. Senator, and that lack of experience and testing certainly is not regarded as successful by Republicans. Carly Fiorina has never held a government post of any kind, and we’ve never elected a president in modern times with no related experience. It also shouldn’t need to be pointed out that conservatives are not the only Republicans.
Chris Christie? He couldn’t be elected dog-catcher in NJ these days, and I’m a Republican who voted for him twice for governor because the alternatives were unthinkable – but if he were able to run for a third consecutive term (he can’t), I’d be forced to vote for a Democrat for only the second time in over forty years ( Henry “Scoop” Jackson was the other, in my first election).
Republicans nominate the most ELECTABLE candidate among the available options. That person, among those on the debate stages, is Jeb Bush. Rubio, Kasich and Fiorina will angle as best they can for second-billing.
By a majority of 64 to 30, conservative Republicans tell pollsters they want their candidate to be an outsider NOW. But Rubio, like Obama, is a first-term U.S. Senator, and that lack of experience and testing certainly is not regarded as successful by Republicans. Carly Fiorina has never held a government post of any kind, and we’ve never elected a president in modern times with no related experience. It also shouldn’t need to be pointed out that conservatives are not the only Republicans.
Chris Christie? He couldn’t be elected dog-catcher in NJ these days, and I’m a Republican who voted for him twice for governor because the alternatives were unthinkable – but if he were able to run for a third consecutive term (he can’t), I’d be forced to vote for a Democrat for only the second time in over forty years ( Henry “Scoop” Jackson was the other, in my first election).
Republicans nominate the most ELECTABLE candidate among the available options. That person, among those on the debate stages, is Jeb Bush. Rubio, Kasich and Fiorina will angle as best they can for second-billing.
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you may as well vote for Hillary she's very close to Henry "Scoop" Jackson. The Republican party has obviously moved far to the wing nut right of your values. They won't be nominating an electable candidate this cycle. That's what this "debate" showed us.
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Richard,
Cease and desist. JEB! is simply unelectable. He is simply not smart enough to be elected and I suspect even the GOP brain trust understands that after his pitiful performance standing next to Donald Trump and looking like a deer caught in the headlights is simply a bridge too far. Mitt Romney is looking so good right now in a field that is simple a disgrace to your country I want to take back everything I said about his inability to understand complex inter relationship. Richard the time has come to throw in the towel and support the only real conservative in the race Hillary Clinton. Rabid right wing radicals do not fit the definition of conservative regardless of one's planet of origin.
Cease and desist. JEB! is simply unelectable. He is simply not smart enough to be elected and I suspect even the GOP brain trust understands that after his pitiful performance standing next to Donald Trump and looking like a deer caught in the headlights is simply a bridge too far. Mitt Romney is looking so good right now in a field that is simple a disgrace to your country I want to take back everything I said about his inability to understand complex inter relationship. Richard the time has come to throw in the towel and support the only real conservative in the race Hillary Clinton. Rabid right wing radicals do not fit the definition of conservative regardless of one's planet of origin.
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RMH and Montreal Moe:
Hillary is hardly close to "Scoop" Jackson, and is hardly a conservative. But you guys go ahead and proselytize for a blue victory in November of 2016, and I'll be entertained and proselytize for a red victory. I do hope I can manage to be less transparent than either of you, though.
Hillary is hardly close to "Scoop" Jackson, and is hardly a conservative. But you guys go ahead and proselytize for a blue victory in November of 2016, and I'll be entertained and proselytize for a red victory. I do hope I can manage to be less transparent than either of you, though.
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So this is what the nation has come to. One party offers us a choice of blustering poseurs, each more extreme and out of touch with reality than the next, running on a punitive platform of fundamentalist fervor, denial of reality and a promise of war, all covered in a thick treacle of false concern for a beleaguered middle class that they helped to create.
If Rubio and Fiorina represent the best that a political party has to offer, then the party is over. Rubio had trouble coming up with his own autobiography. That should say something about his fitness to lead. He’s not a scientist when it comes to evolution, but he’s sure that life begins at conception and there’s nothing we can do to alter the course of global warming.
Fiorina is Margaret Thatcher lite, with about as much concern for the poor and middle class. She questions Hillary’s accomplishments, while her accomplishments involve presiding over the demise of two large corporations and laying off tens of thousands of workers in the process. Her stance on optional vaccinations will also tend to thin the herd.
The Republican options for leader of the free world are either the Trump, or the trumped-up. They either openly pander to the basest instincts of the ignorant and resentful, or they pretend not to. We know what the outcome will be if any of them become president. They offer us no choice, unless it’s whether we want a blindfold or not.
If Rubio and Fiorina represent the best that a political party has to offer, then the party is over. Rubio had trouble coming up with his own autobiography. That should say something about his fitness to lead. He’s not a scientist when it comes to evolution, but he’s sure that life begins at conception and there’s nothing we can do to alter the course of global warming.
Fiorina is Margaret Thatcher lite, with about as much concern for the poor and middle class. She questions Hillary’s accomplishments, while her accomplishments involve presiding over the demise of two large corporations and laying off tens of thousands of workers in the process. Her stance on optional vaccinations will also tend to thin the herd.
The Republican options for leader of the free world are either the Trump, or the trumped-up. They either openly pander to the basest instincts of the ignorant and resentful, or they pretend not to. We know what the outcome will be if any of them become president. They offer us no choice, unless it’s whether we want a blindfold or not.
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Yours may be one of the best comments on the circus of the Republican presidential nomination for 2016 that I've ever seen. Thanks!
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God Forbid that such a pairing should ever enter the White House. Marco Rubio and Carly Fiorina...a Climate Change Denier and a would be Cold War Resurrectionist. Is this the best Mr. Brooks and the Republican Party establishment can offer up as their potential dream team?
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@Mark Wysocki
Half the country felt the same way about Obama-Biden.
And they were right.
An inconvenient truth back at you.
Half the country felt the same way about Obama-Biden.
And they were right.
An inconvenient truth back at you.
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Right about what? Our unemployment rate is approaching less than 5%, the stock market has tripled since 2009, millions more of our citizens have health insurance than previously, and there has not been a repeat of a 9/11 type attack on the United States homeland. The only mess that still lingers from the last Administration is the Pandora's box in the Middle East that the Bush/Cheney team opened.
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So Mr. Brooks proposes Carly Fiorina, a failed CEO, who walked away with 41 million dollars after being fired, 30,000 jobs lost to her incompetence not to mention lying about the Planned Parenthood videos according to the "liberal" Wall Street Journal. He also endorses Mr. Rubio who is beholden to special interests and whose idea of foreign policy is a military buildup, no compromise, no diplomacy, and endless spending of treasure and lives in wars.
If these are the best the Republican Party has to offer, we are in for a sorry election season.
If these are the best the Republican Party has to offer, we are in for a sorry election season.
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"and endless spending of treasure and lives in wars."
The Left's new-found glib concern for our fighting youth, while generally contributing no youngsters to the service, is quite touching.
While serving, I noticed that not many of my brothers were from Berkley or even Scarsdale. But hey, thanks for the concern!
I sense though that your "concern" is rooted more in your distaste for actually winning the war against Islamic fascism so that more "treasure" need not be expended endlessly in the future, or worse when the Ayatollahs get the Bomb.
But I get it. Every politician uses the military for their own grandstanding moment. Why not you?
The Left's new-found glib concern for our fighting youth, while generally contributing no youngsters to the service, is quite touching.
While serving, I noticed that not many of my brothers were from Berkley or even Scarsdale. But hey, thanks for the concern!
I sense though that your "concern" is rooted more in your distaste for actually winning the war against Islamic fascism so that more "treasure" need not be expended endlessly in the future, or worse when the Ayatollahs get the Bomb.
But I get it. Every politician uses the military for their own grandstanding moment. Why not you?
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jubilee133 Woodstock, New York:
The left spends all its energy avoiding war. There is no greater "Avoider-in-Chief" than Obama, whose approach to war could be called, "Skedaddle."
The left spends all its energy avoiding war. There is no greater "Avoider-in-Chief" than Obama, whose approach to war could be called, "Skedaddle."
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Very few high-ranking politicians of either party have put either their own butts or their children's in harm's way - but the few that have are almost all Democrats: Biden, whose son Beau served in Iraq; Kerry, a decorated Vietnam War combat veteran; Jim Webb, whose son was in Iraq. The only Republican I can think of is Palin, whose son enlisted. The main Republican "debate" featured not one veteran or parent of a veteran - including JEB! whose two sons were of the appropriate age for serving in their uncle's glorious adventures (his daughter's arrests for illegal drug use would probably have made her ineligible for service).
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Mr. Brooks, you too, have disappeared around the bend. Marco Rubio may be young, but "uncorrupted?" Rubio is bought-and-paid for, a trophy escort to the billionaire Norman Bramann. Rubio is beholden. It's impossible to understand how you can, with the straightest of faces, describe him as "refreshing." The senator remains in a 1950's time warp like a transistor radio. He's opposed to a new friendship with Cuba. He put his name on the Letter of 47 to Iran. He's "not a scientist, man." Mr. Brooks, our planet is beginning to wobble out of control and humans need to develop some scientific means of addressing the coming disaster of global warming instead of ignoring it to better serve the polluting lords of coal who poison the nest. No dog soils the spot on which it sleeps, but I digress. As for Carly Fiorina, all that can be said about her in this space is that you're easily pleased. As for Jeb!, he'll "keep us safe," much like his brother did. W. read the test questions a month before the exam and still flunked. John Kasich, like Jeb! in 2000, wants to limit voting days and hours for non-whites. Chris "GWB" Christie? The Jersey Guy who roots for the Cowboys? If he's made your short list you've lost it.
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I agree!
Marco gets support from a millionaire, and many, many small donations from humble people. Kinda like......oh yeah, Barack Obama! George Soros money, and many small donations.
Well anyway, at least Hillary is "uncorrupted." Okay, so the Clinton Foundation is a bit nontransparent and unaccountable, and Hill sometimes avoids telling the truth, but she has earned it, by standing by Bill all these years, or at least tolerating him. Has Marco done that?
Marco is stuck back in the past when we did not like Castro. Now we do like Castro, and Hill is good with that, and that is so now. After all, dictators are in, just look at Barack's continuing embrace of the Ayatollah (Supreme Leader) Khamenei, and all his "Death to America" stuff, which isn't really anti-American, just kinda like getting to re-learn Iran after 37 years of not being real close. Marco's call to "character" is so well, yesterday.
I'm glad we had this chat. I feel much better now voting for a 69 yer old white woman over an upstart Latino, who has not even been shot at in Bosnia like Hillary, and survived to tell about it!
Marco gets support from a millionaire, and many, many small donations from humble people. Kinda like......oh yeah, Barack Obama! George Soros money, and many small donations.
Well anyway, at least Hillary is "uncorrupted." Okay, so the Clinton Foundation is a bit nontransparent and unaccountable, and Hill sometimes avoids telling the truth, but she has earned it, by standing by Bill all these years, or at least tolerating him. Has Marco done that?
Marco is stuck back in the past when we did not like Castro. Now we do like Castro, and Hill is good with that, and that is so now. After all, dictators are in, just look at Barack's continuing embrace of the Ayatollah (Supreme Leader) Khamenei, and all his "Death to America" stuff, which isn't really anti-American, just kinda like getting to re-learn Iran after 37 years of not being real close. Marco's call to "character" is so well, yesterday.
I'm glad we had this chat. I feel much better now voting for a 69 yer old white woman over an upstart Latino, who has not even been shot at in Bosnia like Hillary, and survived to tell about it!
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"Rubio is bought-and-paid for, a trophy escort to the billionaire Norman Bramann. Rubio is beholden."
Which is exactly why Brooks likes Rubio, and is all Brooks needs to know about Rubio.
Brooks is pro-Israel-no-matter-what, and anti-Iran-nuclear-deal-no-matter-what. Norman Braman has already made the down payment on the U.S. foreign policy that Likud, AIPAC and Brooks approve of. If Rubio gets the nomination, Sheldon Adelson will deliver payment in full for an invasion of Iran.
Which is exactly why Brooks likes Rubio, and is all Brooks needs to know about Rubio.
Brooks is pro-Israel-no-matter-what, and anti-Iran-nuclear-deal-no-matter-what. Norman Braman has already made the down payment on the U.S. foreign policy that Likud, AIPAC and Brooks approve of. If Rubio gets the nomination, Sheldon Adelson will deliver payment in full for an invasion of Iran.
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"But [the GOP is] not going to completely lose its mind, either." Sorry Charlie, the GOP has already lost its mind. The question is whether the GOP will regain its sanity and rejoin the democratic (small 'd') political process or implode.
The GOP and David Brooks appear to be going through a similar (in a way) process to four years ago when it was, "Anyone but Romney." Romney made it through not by having no policy positions (a la Trump), but by changing his policy position every couple of weeks. Huffpost Pollster has Trump at 34, Carson at 20 and everyone else in single digits. Trump is trending up and Bush down for months. That is despite Trump's bombastic, insulting, content-free style.
Time's poll of debate #2 had Trump at 55% to Fiorina's 20. In the debate Jeb! melted against Trump. Jeb! also melted against Huckabee and agreed that supreme court decisions are secondary to state laws that protect discrimination against same sex marriage. I could write 30 other examples of mind boggling lies ("I de-funded PP"), stupidity (Palin cabinet position) and treason ("Let's ignore the constitution if we don't like it!") but characters are limited. In this contest and context Trump is not only trending up but pulling away.
GOP sanity is currently trending down.
The GOP and David Brooks appear to be going through a similar (in a way) process to four years ago when it was, "Anyone but Romney." Romney made it through not by having no policy positions (a la Trump), but by changing his policy position every couple of weeks. Huffpost Pollster has Trump at 34, Carson at 20 and everyone else in single digits. Trump is trending up and Bush down for months. That is despite Trump's bombastic, insulting, content-free style.
Time's poll of debate #2 had Trump at 55% to Fiorina's 20. In the debate Jeb! melted against Trump. Jeb! also melted against Huckabee and agreed that supreme court decisions are secondary to state laws that protect discrimination against same sex marriage. I could write 30 other examples of mind boggling lies ("I de-funded PP"), stupidity (Palin cabinet position) and treason ("Let's ignore the constitution if we don't like it!") but characters are limited. In this contest and context Trump is not only trending up but pulling away.
GOP sanity is currently trending down.
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The "GOP" has become "NRA" ... that's No Reasonable Answers. Too bad the acronym has already been taken by another group that also lacks for reasonable answers.
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So, only Democrats are allowed to ignore the Constitution when they don't like it? For example, sanctuary cities?
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@Edmund Dantes: Almost everywhere in the US the gov’t (local/state/fed) chooses not to check closely if companies are employing illegal immigrants. Some few cities (“sanctuary cities”) have taken the position they will not closely check peoples’ resident status. Constitutionally: very gray.
My point about “ignoring the constitution” was actually regarding the Kim Davis situation, where Davis (supported by Huckabee, Bush and other presidential candidates) is claiming her right to discriminate privately against same-sex couples allows her also to discriminate in her job as government employee – in a job where she is sworn to uphold the constitution – and to ignore the VERY recent ruling by SCOTUS that same-sex couples have the same right to marry as heterosexual couples. SCOTUS, since Marbury vs. Madison (1803), has the final say in what US laws are constitutional or not.
I personally very much dislike the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment. I live with it. Kim Davis and co. need to live with the 14th amendment and the current interpretation of it. She and I both have the opportunity to elect law makers and presidents who appoint SCOTUS judges to change those interpretations. In the meantime, we live with the current interpretations. If I ignore them as a private person I can be civilly charge. Ignoring SCOTUS rulings as a government official is treason.
My point about “ignoring the constitution” was actually regarding the Kim Davis situation, where Davis (supported by Huckabee, Bush and other presidential candidates) is claiming her right to discriminate privately against same-sex couples allows her also to discriminate in her job as government employee – in a job where she is sworn to uphold the constitution – and to ignore the VERY recent ruling by SCOTUS that same-sex couples have the same right to marry as heterosexual couples. SCOTUS, since Marbury vs. Madison (1803), has the final say in what US laws are constitutional or not.
I personally very much dislike the current interpretation of the 2nd amendment. I live with it. Kim Davis and co. need to live with the 14th amendment and the current interpretation of it. She and I both have the opportunity to elect law makers and presidents who appoint SCOTUS judges to change those interpretations. In the meantime, we live with the current interpretations. If I ignore them as a private person I can be civilly charge. Ignoring SCOTUS rulings as a government official is treason.
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I cannot believe, with all due respect, that anybody would take a ticket of Rubio/Fiorina seriously. That ticket has about as much chance to win as Perot did a quarter of a century ago did. Which is to say: slim and none.
Carly Fiorina is being packaged as a DH (the Designated Hillary): the Republican Party's cynical attempt to present a female alternative to Hillary. Unfortunately, Fiorina never was elected to anything, and probably never will be. Lyndon Johnson used to say that you should at least run for (something like) sheriff before running for President; the point being that you needed some experience at elective office.
And Rubio is the second fiddle Florida candidate (Bush being at the top) in a desperate attempt to secure Florida, along with some of the Latino vote. The sad part is that he is an empty suit who apparently has no money management skills at all. He is not prime time material.
When you run this type of ticket up the flagpole at the New York Times, you can be sure that times are getting tough out there on the Republican side.
Carly Fiorina is being packaged as a DH (the Designated Hillary): the Republican Party's cynical attempt to present a female alternative to Hillary. Unfortunately, Fiorina never was elected to anything, and probably never will be. Lyndon Johnson used to say that you should at least run for (something like) sheriff before running for President; the point being that you needed some experience at elective office.
And Rubio is the second fiddle Florida candidate (Bush being at the top) in a desperate attempt to secure Florida, along with some of the Latino vote. The sad part is that he is an empty suit who apparently has no money management skills at all. He is not prime time material.
When you run this type of ticket up the flagpole at the New York Times, you can be sure that times are getting tough out there on the Republican side.
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Just because Carly Fiorina has the "plumbing" doesn't mean she's pro-REAL-WOMEN (or even transwomen).
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"Lyndon Johnson used to say that you should at least run for (something like) sheriff before running for President; the point being that you needed some experience at elective office."
Great point! I think Fiorina would have never made it to that stage had she actually been in an elective office. What she has been good at is posturing her-inflated-self to an extremely small group of rich white men that occupy senior corporate positions using near-term results. Her long term results are disasters.
Great point! I think Fiorina would have never made it to that stage had she actually been in an elective office. What she has been good at is posturing her-inflated-self to an extremely small group of rich white men that occupy senior corporate positions using near-term results. Her long term results are disasters.
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On top of this, Rubio admitted that he has been a failure as a senator. He tried to couch it by saying the senate is broken beyond his ability to fix it, but in reality, all he was saying is 'Elect me to be president even though I've been worthless as a senator.'
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Carli Lloyd is probably the the Carli we need.
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This is a very well written piece, David, but the Lawrence Welk show is gone forever.
I think it's wishful thinking to consider Trump, trumped and odd thinking to believe Fake-a-rino, (as she was known to many in the engineering community) can become nominated. Her failure at HP is big and jobs are on everyone's mind this election cycle. So is Iran, and Putin, but those wise guys may side with Isis if Fake-a-rino gets the nomination.
I think it's wishful thinking to consider Trump, trumped and odd thinking to believe Fake-a-rino, (as she was known to many in the engineering community) can become nominated. Her failure at HP is big and jobs are on everyone's mind this election cycle. So is Iran, and Putin, but those wise guys may side with Isis if Fake-a-rino gets the nomination.
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Fiorina is a loser. She was fired as CEO from HP after laying off thousands of employees and purchasing an unprofitable computer company, HP. She didn't do well as a senatorial candidate in California, losing to Barbara Boxer by 52 to 42%. Her statement about Planned Parenthood ripping out the brains of live babies outside of the womb was invented fiction. If she is one of the strongest GOP presidential candidates it is a sad state of affairs.
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"he is a genius at relating policy depth in a way that is personal. He has clarity of mind and can sum up a complex subject — Russia, the Middle East — in a way that is comprehensible but not oversimplified."
Translation: He gives very dumbed down analyses to very complex subjects he doesn't understand and looks smart to the know nothings supporting his party. Oh, and he can look like a deer in the headlights and gulp water with the best of them.
Translation: He gives very dumbed down analyses to very complex subjects he doesn't understand and looks smart to the know nothings supporting his party. Oh, and he can look like a deer in the headlights and gulp water with the best of them.
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Anyone who has been in debate club in high school, knows that debaters can be tutored, nicely. One doesn't have to be smart or experienced, one can be a good learner to be able to be tutored well in debate tactics and oration.
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Pretty asinine comment. Reinforces the kind of dismissive partisan politics that relegates us to a purgatory of inaction.
You say Fiorina had a "spotty record at Hewlett-Packard?" That's like saying the Hindenburg had a rough landing on the tarmac. Rubio is an intellectual homunculus compared to President Obama or Mrs. Clinton, and you know it, David.
The Republican candidates are what our generation has wrought. Unfledged adults who are beholden to moneyed interests. There are several watershed issues that need to be addressed, such as de-industrialization in a global, robotic environment and climate change. At the debate all that these dunces were able to do was engage in internecine name-calling and an unwarranted invective of President Obama.
The Republican candidates are what our generation has wrought. Unfledged adults who are beholden to moneyed interests. There are several watershed issues that need to be addressed, such as de-industrialization in a global, robotic environment and climate change. At the debate all that these dunces were able to do was engage in internecine name-calling and an unwarranted invective of President Obama.
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"unfledged adults" perfect.....
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Clever lad! Perfect Fiorina Hewlett-Packard - Hindenburg metaphor!
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A few more interesting facts about Fiorina:
She has received donations from the other Republican candidates' big supporters. For example, a pro-Ted Cruz PAC controlled by millionaire Robert Mercer gave her $500,000. Why? According to New York Times reporter Amy Chozick, “Fiorina finance chairs told me supporters of other candidates have thrown them $$$ to have a woman in race attacking Hillary Clinton.”
Fiorina, whose personal fortune exceeds $50 million,"didn’t bother to pay the debts from her losing 2010 Senate campaign until she decided to run for president. (One of her former aides said 'I’d rather go to Iraq than work for Carly Fiorina again.')"
Read about it here:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/17/dont_believe_the_carly_fiorina_hype_here...
She has received donations from the other Republican candidates' big supporters. For example, a pro-Ted Cruz PAC controlled by millionaire Robert Mercer gave her $500,000. Why? According to New York Times reporter Amy Chozick, “Fiorina finance chairs told me supporters of other candidates have thrown them $$$ to have a woman in race attacking Hillary Clinton.”
Fiorina, whose personal fortune exceeds $50 million,"didn’t bother to pay the debts from her losing 2010 Senate campaign until she decided to run for president. (One of her former aides said 'I’d rather go to Iraq than work for Carly Fiorina again.')"
Read about it here:
http://www.salon.com/2015/09/17/dont_believe_the_carly_fiorina_hype_here...
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The candidates who are in contact with reality have often shown terrible judgment about it. Cheney knew the Middle East very well and backed Pappy Bush's decision to leave Saddam there, until his judgment totally decayed. Rubio has mastered the use of youthful buzzwords. Fiorina was fired for what she did to HP.
Trump knows how to navigate our bankruptcy and political systems, which requires both judgment and some sort of ability, but exactly what this ability is is hard to tell, since it does not show up in his public persona. Ideology is not his strong suit and he seems not to care deeply about it. He might take a businessman's and dealmaker's look at our health care system and decide that single payer would be a much better deal for the country. This possibility will probably cost him the Republican nomination.
Trump knows how to navigate our bankruptcy and political systems, which requires both judgment and some sort of ability, but exactly what this ability is is hard to tell, since it does not show up in his public persona. Ideology is not his strong suit and he seems not to care deeply about it. He might take a businessman's and dealmaker's look at our health care system and decide that single payer would be a much better deal for the country. This possibility will probably cost him the Republican nomination.
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The more significant void is probably on the other side of the aisle.
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Fiorina also Rubio
Two climate deniers we know,
Carly the disaster
Who ruined HP faster
This is the way Brooks would go?
Rubio as right as can be
No knowledge of Science has he,
He caught the Brooks notice
As a perfect POTUS
A running mate great with Carly!
Two climate deniers we know,
Carly the disaster
Who ruined HP faster
This is the way Brooks would go?
Rubio as right as can be
No knowledge of Science has he,
He caught the Brooks notice
As a perfect POTUS
A running mate great with Carly!
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Why does Trump remind me so much of Berlusconi. ..What does Mr Brooks think?
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Frank Bruni did a column on that comparison a few months back -- an interesting read!
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Marco Rubio is a climate denier who wants to bomb our adversaries into submission. 'America is not a planet.' Do we really need to know much more than that from Marco Rubio?
So these are the geniuses of the GOP, huh? It's pretty frightening really.
Why David Brooks keeps bending over backwards to apologize for this sorry lot is completely beyond me. The tighter he hangs on to this group, the more his credibility as a critical thinker erodes.