How do these ladies manage their cash without any pockets or clothing? Inquiring minds want to know...
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Just because a person is "crying and embarrassed" doesn't mean certain people should lose their constitutional rights. I suggest those who aren't assertive and are of the wimpy type- grow some you-know- what and tell those topless or hooded street beggars to "F-off". But as a nanny state top banana, the mayor has to come flying to the rescue, if you want to call it that. No with my 1st Amendment you don't.
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Many small-town - or less! - tourists need some sort of excitement, most of it free for the looking. What draw many others to the neighbourhood, though, are the theatres. Otherwise, this frequent visitor to NYC could never understand the real attraction.
Once, saw a "fuzzy" character going between the mother and the child. The character was appealing directly to the child, while the character's back was to the mother. One other time 4 "fuzzy" characters were surrounding a tourist, apparently after a photo.
Didn't look fuzzy or friendly from where I was standing.
Didn't look fuzzy or friendly from where I was standing.
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I've walked through Times Square frequently this summer and seen these women. Never been harassed, though one did approach me and ask if I wanted a photo. Politely declined and kept walking.
Not relevant for these women, but people always insinuate that the cartoon characters are violating intellectual property law. I don't think that's very clear. If the costume itself is unlicensed, then it's the costume manufacturer that's breaking the law (just like when you buy knockoff clothing or handbags). As for violating the copyright in a character, I find it hard to see how dressing up as a character and taking photos with passers-by implicates copyright law at all. Given how rabidly rights-holders defend their IP, I suspect a major reason Times Square is full of these people is because there actually isn't a clear legal way for rights-holders to enjoin them.
There are more important crimes going on. A few weeks ago, I'm fairly certain I witnessed an actual robbery in Times Square, with a man running out of a drugstore, dropping bags, security trying to grab him.
Not relevant for these women, but people always insinuate that the cartoon characters are violating intellectual property law. I don't think that's very clear. If the costume itself is unlicensed, then it's the costume manufacturer that's breaking the law (just like when you buy knockoff clothing or handbags). As for violating the copyright in a character, I find it hard to see how dressing up as a character and taking photos with passers-by implicates copyright law at all. Given how rabidly rights-holders defend their IP, I suspect a major reason Times Square is full of these people is because there actually isn't a clear legal way for rights-holders to enjoin them.
There are more important crimes going on. A few weeks ago, I'm fairly certain I witnessed an actual robbery in Times Square, with a man running out of a drugstore, dropping bags, security trying to grab him.
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How is this 'problem' anything but a *huge* attraction for NYC???
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Meretricious display is Times Square. Desnudas, leering men, and greed, is too much.
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Bill, really? Things have become so out of whack in NYC. You are going after these women yet you are turning the sqeegy guys loose on us and also anybody who wants to urinate in public. Under you Bill, tourist are rethinking visiting NYC at all.
This is all because you are an incredible lightweight and are way out of your depth. Go run to your mentor Al Sharpton on this one. He must have something better to work on for you than this. Now that you have completely alienated the cops and tried but failed on UBER.
This is all because you are an incredible lightweight and are way out of your depth. Go run to your mentor Al Sharpton on this one. He must have something better to work on for you than this. Now that you have completely alienated the cops and tried but failed on UBER.
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The mayor needs to put up many large signs in multiple languages saying that tourists do not have to pay anything to take photos of any person or character walking in Times Square. In fact, they should hire workers with printed placards and flyers to walk around, following the painted women and character, to be sure that anyone near such knows that they have no obligation to pay these people anything.
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Why not just send the one agency that seems to get everyone they go after to deal with these people and have it dealt with once and for all: the IRS!
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I am a frequent traveler and have been to cities large and small across the globe - I enjoy adventure and don't scare easily. I traveled to NY in June with my thirteen year old daughter and was appalled by the aggressive, sometimes relentless, solicitors in many areas of the City. While we enjoyed our trip, that aspect marred it significantly - I found myself on the Central Park side of Columbus Circle screaming at one "bike tour" operator to get away from us as he follwed far too closely down the sidewalk (why anyone thinks that behavior will attrack business i do not know). There must be REALLY stupid tourists who pay them or they would not be there. The Mayor may not be able to solve all the nation's ills but this one should be easy. Get this trash off the streets and return the sidewalks to the people of NY and those of us wo love to visit.
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If, according to NYers posting here, painted ladies and aggressive cartoon characters (violating copyights) can berate tourists for tips, then why not aggressive squeegee men and panhandlers? The last time I exited NYC, a panhandler (which we used to call bums) attacked my car when I did not give him money.
As a business person and a tourist, I will be spending less time in the once again rotting apple called NYC.
As a business person and a tourist, I will be spending less time in the once again rotting apple called NYC.
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Mr. Grant: There's much more to our "rotting" city than Times Square. Only
tourists go there anyway. You should widen your vista and see our wonderful
museums (the Frick, Metropolitan Museum Moma, Natural History , etc.) then
there's So Ho, No Ho, Greenwich Village, Central Park ,and your eyes will pop
on Madison Avenue at the shops and then the restaurants. There is so much
that is great here and of interest - sorry you've been in the worst part of town.
tourists go there anyway. You should widen your vista and see our wonderful
museums (the Frick, Metropolitan Museum Moma, Natural History , etc.) then
there's So Ho, No Ho, Greenwich Village, Central Park ,and your eyes will pop
on Madison Avenue at the shops and then the restaurants. There is so much
that is great here and of interest - sorry you've been in the worst part of town.
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o my gosh! i did not know NY's biggest problem to address , and to address aggressively, was the desnudas! I guess crime, poverty, schools, corruption on every level, justice for all, race issues, rent, pollution, dirt, noise, jobs can wait.
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Breasts have become passé since the world wide web. I find eye contact to be much more erotic than ogling breasts.
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Well, at least the "desnudas" pictured are patriotic.
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How is picking on these women not sexist? What about the Naked Cowboy? Or the diaper man? Frankly, I don't like seeing their stuff. Can I make a case for that? As to the tourists posing with naked women, obviously there is a market for this and you should pay up. If they're being aggressive, it's the environment they're working in. The (groping) Elmos and Mickeys are giving them plenty of competition. The Naked Cowboy and diaper man are getting a free pass in this story, and even if they're the most polite people in Times Square, something is wrong here.
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They aren't picking on just these women, that was more an angle for the article. I don't care WHAT the environment is, they have no legal right to aggressively demand payment for photos when: 1) most of these "characters" are owned by a rights-holder who has not authorized these people to do greet tourists in costume; and 2) they are standing in the middle of a public thoroughfare and force themselves into pictures. The naked cowboy, as unpleasant as he is, does not do any of that, and warns people who pose with him in advance how much it will cost.
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Times Square Toplessness?
Start spreadin' the news....
Start spreadin' the news....
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Teat these "artists" like food vendors and issue a limited number of permits distributed annually by lottery.
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Sorry, from the perspective of a long-time NYer, this seems right up there with the guys who used to hail cabs for people outside Grand Central and Penn Station--and often got aggressive about 'tips'!
They'd descend on poor travelers in a way that was intimidating to tourists and even to residents.
The City (finally!) dealt with that -- and the people were uniformly grateful -- and it should do the same thing with these nuisances.
They'd descend on poor travelers in a way that was intimidating to tourists and even to residents.
The City (finally!) dealt with that -- and the people were uniformly grateful -- and it should do the same thing with these nuisances.
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How many kids got killed by guns this year? And what are they working on regulating? Well at least they have their priorities wrong. I was looking for the stats on kids killed by boobs but don't seem to be able to find that data.
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NYC is actually one of the safest cities in the United States and the world. Not many kids got killed by guns in our neck of the woods.
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How many kids got killed by uncollected garbage? So, why we need Sanitation Department?
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It was a lot safer before de Blasio became mayor.
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I wonder how many of these call them whatever you want in Times Square are in the country legally and properly reporting the money they panhandle to the IRS. Just having the immigration police and internal revenue agents do a check would clean the place up in notime flat.
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Yeah, check people's ID before they enter Times Square. That should do it.
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You think the desnudas and comic characters in Times Square are bad, just head for the Jemaa el Fna square in Marrakesh or the Grand Bazaar in Istanbul. Henna artists, snake charmers, trained monkeys (trained to steal jewelry), shoe shiners (my brother in law had his sneakers shined before he knew what hit him). They don't (easily) take no for an answer.
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Maybe if we play our cards right maybe all the tourists we'll go someplace else.
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Those tourists that you have disdain for pay plenty in taxes including exorbidant room taxes, city taxes, state taxes, sales taxes etc. And they buy alot of stuff to take home with them too. Get rid of the garbage in Times Square.
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Yep, taking their money with them.
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Yeah, maybe your town can take them and reap the profits.
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Dave K. New York, NY 15 hours ago
"Here's a hint for you tourists: there is nothing in Times Square that has anything to do with New York. Other than people who work in Times Square, you will never find a single New Yorker there."
That's like saying that the Statue of Liberty and the observation deck of the Empire State Building have nothing to do with NYC, because New Yorkers don't go there. Tourists, especially first-time tourists, are going to want to want to see Times Square. It's a NY icon and a tourist draw. They should be able to go there without getting hassled.
"Here's a hint for you tourists: there is nothing in Times Square that has anything to do with New York. Other than people who work in Times Square, you will never find a single New Yorker there."
That's like saying that the Statue of Liberty and the observation deck of the Empire State Building have nothing to do with NYC, because New Yorkers don't go there. Tourists, especially first-time tourists, are going to want to want to see Times Square. It's a NY icon and a tourist draw. They should be able to go there without getting hassled.
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You're kidding yourself, no one is interested it seeing a lot of real life cartoon figures all over Times Square. When I see it I want to get away.
Wow, has the NYT really been on a roll lately,first lambasting Amazon as a workplace and now it's own city.I live in Illinois and I have been telling my family that one of the first things on my bucket list is to go to New York and go to Katz's Deli and have one of their famous pastrami sandwiches. But when I read about these aggressive panhandlers dressed up or not,verbally attacking the tourists in Times Square I might be having second thoughts. I just might go somewhere else to enjoy a pastrami sandwich.
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You do know that Katz's Deli isn't IN Time Square, right?
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There is now a Second Avenue Deli on the Upper East Side. Just go there and you'll be fine.
I hate to sound like a prude. But topless women in Times Square just seems wrong. Sounds like soon times square will revert to the old Times Square of years ago. I can't believe anyone wants that.
Would you take your children to Times Square?
Would you take your children to Times Square?
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Then stop talking like a prude . I want the old Times Square. I'm want a Times Square thats not family friendly. I don't want kids at a Broadway show. I'm tired of dodging tourists. Go to Las Vegas, you'll love it.
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Give us the "headless woman in a topless bar" yearning to breathe free. De Blasio has been having trouble paying off some of those powerful campaign promises so difficult to fullfill. He's found an easy pay-off: Red Meat in Times Square. Restore Times Square to its wonderful seediness. Peddlers without permits, loose women with tiny purses, homeless men in need of a few dollars for a cup of coffee. Times Square's current commercial carnality pales in recollection of its historically lovely squalor.
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I miss those days. I think that the Disneyfication of Times Square was a very bad thing!
Not just seedy shops, but mom and pop stores where people could get things that they could use here and overseas. So many small businesses shut their doors when Disney came to NYC. It stinks on ice!
Not just seedy shops, but mom and pop stores where people could get things that they could use here and overseas. So many small businesses shut their doors when Disney came to NYC. It stinks on ice!
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Remember, Rudy Guliani and the Disney people were going to clean up times square and 42nd street, where a worn out theater marquee screamed "Wall of Flesh!" I'd been in New York City when there were little stalls selling Tito Puente and salsa LPs. There was a minor aura of crime. Jack Dempsey's Restaurant was still in operation as was Madame Tussaud's wax museum. On visits I'd see paddy wagons boarding prostitutes picked up in the vicinity. I loved it. If you weren't overdressed, you had no need to fear crime. Times Square was real. Vestiges of Broadway's storied past were everywhere. Now a walking mall, Times Square has become a sinkhole of overdone commercial exploitation. Give me those sqalid joints once lined up and down broadway, where Touts lured passersby into lurid haunts behind those tiny doorways.
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The past is always looked upon with rose colored glasses.
case in point - Ida's comment above.
Good times !
case in point - Ida's comment above.
Good times !
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Thank you. I miss those old times, and yes, I would take children there. They would learn more than what they learn from Disney. They would learn, as I learned as UCLA, the University on the Corner of Lexington Avenue! They would learn street smarts and common sense, which are rare today.
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Oh what a blinkered view of the old seedy crime ridden Times Square. Yes, crime as in the sexual exploitation of vulnerable kids or did you think that was just an artistic exaggeration in the movie "Taxi Driver"? The present corporate mall atmosphere is no reason to whitewash the past. As to the topless panhandlers, they are simply squeegee men of a different gender and game plan. Same goal, to wit, parting people and their money and not paying taxes on it.
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"Quirky," Good. "Creepy," Bad.
So who gets to decide, and by what arbitrary standard will they make their determination?
So who gets to decide, and by what arbitrary standard will they make their determination?
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The Puritans.
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By the standards of people, including children like my nephew, upset at being harassed by those panhandlers.
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Come on down the Penn Station area.
Never "Disneyland", it is now so much worse - a literal open air drug addict playground. You have to step over countless heroin users on the way to the office.
The thing is , these usually white, usually tattooed, clearly high, often with dogs or cats are NOT FROM NEW YORK - they don't vote.
BDB could score some easy points with the majority of New Yorkers who value an orderly and safe streetscape - as we had gotten used to for 20 years, by informing the existing laws against panhandling, sleeping on streets, deficating, copulating in public, etc. - OR , how about those dogs? they are not licensed. Anyone else would get a ticket.
Nope, they use it to push for yet even more so called affordable - i.e. subsidized - housing. Even those these folks were never housed in New York. We as a City cannot fix the country's problems. We already take care of our own (more then any other place in US - we are court ordered to house everyone who asks). We simply cannot afford this to continue.
Never "Disneyland", it is now so much worse - a literal open air drug addict playground. You have to step over countless heroin users on the way to the office.
The thing is , these usually white, usually tattooed, clearly high, often with dogs or cats are NOT FROM NEW YORK - they don't vote.
BDB could score some easy points with the majority of New Yorkers who value an orderly and safe streetscape - as we had gotten used to for 20 years, by informing the existing laws against panhandling, sleeping on streets, deficating, copulating in public, etc. - OR , how about those dogs? they are not licensed. Anyone else would get a ticket.
Nope, they use it to push for yet even more so called affordable - i.e. subsidized - housing. Even those these folks were never housed in New York. We as a City cannot fix the country's problems. We already take care of our own (more then any other place in US - we are court ordered to house everyone who asks). We simply cannot afford this to continue.
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"Come on down the Penn Station area.
Never "Disneyland", it is now so much worse - a literal open air drug addict playground."?
Not sure what your time-frame is, but this situation has been an issue for over 40 years--and it's really no worse than it was a few years ago--and definitely NOT "worse" that 20 years ago, when things were utterly out of control around both Penn and Grand Central!
Never "Disneyland", it is now so much worse - a literal open air drug addict playground."?
Not sure what your time-frame is, but this situation has been an issue for over 40 years--and it's really no worse than it was a few years ago--and definitely NOT "worse" that 20 years ago, when things were utterly out of control around both Penn and Grand Central!
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The mayor is impeding much needed jobs creation here, especially of topless women. It needs to be stopped immediately.
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The subways are getting dirtier, noisier and more dangerous. People jump the turnstiles at my station, where there is no booth clerk. Others play their phones loud on the trains.
Fix the subways. Leave the bare-breasted women alone.
Fix the subways. Leave the bare-breasted women alone.
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My office is in one of those towers that have contributed to cleaning up the image of Times Sq. Not a fun place to try to get out of/get into subway or grab lunch. But, it does give me a great opportunity to observe what Times Sq. isn't. I don't know why or how, but there doesn't seem to be an idea of creating a square in Times Sq. at all. Squares are public spaces for pedestrians, where pedestrian traffic slows down, attracted by something, a place for commerce/entertainment/catching one's breath. Times Sq. is none of these things. Vehicular traffic is obscene, the new construction of pedestrian plazas has been going on for years only to turn them into granite-clad islands crowded by people, food carts and costumed characters. There's really no reason for anyone, tourist or local to be in Times Sq, and plenty of reasons to stay away . Panhandlers are an issue, but not the main issue - the fact that the urban tissue of what a square/public space should be like is incomprehensible to the city planners is the root of decay that plagues the area now.
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And I'm sorry, but you can't have "Bubba Gump Shrimp" and the naked cowboy and try to call Times Square "The cultural center".
Please.
The MET. Guggenheim. MOMA. Central Park.
Those are cultural centers.
Times Square is a cheesy, divey, disgusting, commercialized, over populated, neon sign filled death trap for gullible tourists. A few desunada's and Elmo isn't going to take away from the fact that TS is just a mall without a roof.
Who doesn't hate it when an out of town relative or friend wants you to take them there?
Please.
The MET. Guggenheim. MOMA. Central Park.
Those are cultural centers.
Times Square is a cheesy, divey, disgusting, commercialized, over populated, neon sign filled death trap for gullible tourists. A few desunada's and Elmo isn't going to take away from the fact that TS is just a mall without a roof.
Who doesn't hate it when an out of town relative or friend wants you to take them there?
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with any luck the naked cowboy would start visiting the met, moma and central park.
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Looks like the only city people want is one where there are GAP and Starbucks stores, where everything is clean and sanitized and everyone dresses like the Beaver Cleaver family. Fortunately there will always be those who resist this kind of aesthetic fascism and see the value in being confronted out of our compliance and complacency. The human spirit can't and won't be tamped down. Here's to the Desnudas! Hopefully someone will choose to fight for their rights to bare their breasts, all these dramatic stories about men being unwillingly dry humped notwithstanding. Please. Cut-the-drama.
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I agree. more women should go around semi-clothed and in more areas of NY than just time square. Think of the impact, in the workplace for example, of such work attire.
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Yeah Yoda you describe America's biggest problem. Totally agree. Yes topless woman are our biggest plague. Not war or poverty or healthcare.
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Because bare breasts are so daring and original.
New York is filled with thousands of REAL originals who inspire and intrigue us. Desnudas are not among them.
Follow Humans of New York on Facebook and you'll find them.
Desnudas are a nuisance AND a bore.
New York is filled with thousands of REAL originals who inspire and intrigue us. Desnudas are not among them.
Follow Humans of New York on Facebook and you'll find them.
Desnudas are a nuisance AND a bore.
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The mayor added, “I don’t like the situation in Times Square, and we’re going to address it in a very aggressive manner.”
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I thought only mean Republicans said and did such things, out in flyover country somewhere. But in Father Duffy Square? The mayor sheds his illusions faster than the exhibitionist ecdysiasts shed their bras.
Local angle: My 4 grandkids just returned from vacation there, and love "the characters." I will diplomatically inquire (they're age 2-10) if any of the characters were unclothed. The Californians played chess in Washington Sq. against a rasta-clad local and loved it, their foto shows. That took me back to palmy days with a St. Vincent's nursing student, an enchantress, on Waverly Place, ca. 1976, when the Empire State bldg was lighted in red white & blue.
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I thought only mean Republicans said and did such things, out in flyover country somewhere. But in Father Duffy Square? The mayor sheds his illusions faster than the exhibitionist ecdysiasts shed their bras.
Local angle: My 4 grandkids just returned from vacation there, and love "the characters." I will diplomatically inquire (they're age 2-10) if any of the characters were unclothed. The Californians played chess in Washington Sq. against a rasta-clad local and loved it, their foto shows. That took me back to palmy days with a St. Vincent's nursing student, an enchantress, on Waverly Place, ca. 1976, when the Empire State bldg was lighted in red white & blue.
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While my wife and I were in NYC in June we walked through Times Square several times on the way to the theater or restaurants. We were approached by the topless and Disneyesque panhandlers and just said no and ignored them. If everyone ignored them they would just go away.
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Too many here are blaming the mayor. Don't blame the mayor, blame those who stayed home on election day and those who didn't.
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Wel he was elected and it's his job now, it's why he ran wasn't it? Can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen as they say. Let's get a REAL mayor of NY.
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While you're at it, please put a stop to the FAKE MONKS. I had one aggressively asking for $20 in Bryant Park. Friends have had the same experience.
Real Buddhist monks would never ask for money. A journalist followed one after their shift. He promptly changed to regular street clothes and picked up a bottle of wine on the way home. Clearly, not a Buddhist. In my view, these are worse than the characters and desnudas.
Real Buddhist monks would never ask for money. A journalist followed one after their shift. He promptly changed to regular street clothes and picked up a bottle of wine on the way home. Clearly, not a Buddhist. In my view, these are worse than the characters and desnudas.
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I saw a group of Tibetan Monks shopping together a few years ago in B&H Photo. The ironic displacement was quite unsettling until, just now, I realize they were probably fake and on the heels of a very good day.
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When you travel to another city to take in tourist sites it is a given that, to one degree or another, you will be confronted with panhandlers, pickpockets or hustlers looking to take advantage of the confused out-of-towners.
Who in this day and age doesn't do a little research to get an idea of the risks of your destination, especially if going to a big city.
When I traveled to Italy, one search turned up volumes about gypsies (most of whom are NOT really Romni, just street urchins) in Rome, especially at the main train station, and con artists at the Spanish Steps. Detailed accounts of their techniques are everywhere as well as suggestions about how to defeat them. My destination was Assisi with little time in Rome itself, but I did stop by the Coliseum. There, you run a gauntlet of costumed gladiators who try to jump into your photo and then demand payment. They especially target women travelers such as myself believing intimadation will be more successful . I simply lowered by camera immediately and exclaimed "va via!" Italian for "go away!" in firm voice. It worked with the scam taxi drivers as well.
Tourists need to take control of their surroundings and not be such push overs. If three other cartoon characters try to jump in on a photo tell them get lost, you just want the one. If they mouth off, walk away and use the opportunity to teach your kid about nasty people who are bullies and scammers.
Who in this day and age doesn't do a little research to get an idea of the risks of your destination, especially if going to a big city.
When I traveled to Italy, one search turned up volumes about gypsies (most of whom are NOT really Romni, just street urchins) in Rome, especially at the main train station, and con artists at the Spanish Steps. Detailed accounts of their techniques are everywhere as well as suggestions about how to defeat them. My destination was Assisi with little time in Rome itself, but I did stop by the Coliseum. There, you run a gauntlet of costumed gladiators who try to jump into your photo and then demand payment. They especially target women travelers such as myself believing intimadation will be more successful . I simply lowered by camera immediately and exclaimed "va via!" Italian for "go away!" in firm voice. It worked with the scam taxi drivers as well.
Tourists need to take control of their surroundings and not be such push overs. If three other cartoon characters try to jump in on a photo tell them get lost, you just want the one. If they mouth off, walk away and use the opportunity to teach your kid about nasty people who are bullies and scammers.
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Agreed. I travel to Rome frequently and have never even been approached by one of these gladiator clowns. Either I must have a RBF (resting bitch face), or my mom's Italian genes are stronger than I thought.
I like your attitude. When you see garbage multiplying on streets of the city you live in - don't demand your government to clean the streets, just step over the trash.
Oh, and don't forget your kid behind when jumping over that leaking dump pile.
Oh, and don't forget your kid behind when jumping over that leaking dump pile.
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Times Square Alliance is a group of stodgy old rich white people who want Times Square to look like any other over commercialized suburban mall in America, thereby removing the point of visiting Times Square. They are responsible for the current, disgusting, Disneyfication of Times Square. They have no credibility on this issue.
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Hypocritical - and typical...
I'm a De Blasio supporter (democrat), but where was he and all this OUTCRY when that naked 'Underwear Cowboy' was prancing all up and down Times Square, with his manhood all out for the kiddies to see???
Apparently, a naked man can prance around Times Square wearing nothing but skimpy white briefs, leaving NOTHING to the visiting 5 year old girl's imagination, but get a woman out there showing some of her 'secondary sexual attributes' (mind you, his penis was/is obviously his 'PRIMARY' sexual attribute - but still... THAT wasn't a problem...).
What sheer hypocrisy...
I'm a De Blasio supporter (democrat), but where was he and all this OUTCRY when that naked 'Underwear Cowboy' was prancing all up and down Times Square, with his manhood all out for the kiddies to see???
Apparently, a naked man can prance around Times Square wearing nothing but skimpy white briefs, leaving NOTHING to the visiting 5 year old girl's imagination, but get a woman out there showing some of her 'secondary sexual attributes' (mind you, his penis was/is obviously his 'PRIMARY' sexual attribute - but still... THAT wasn't a problem...).
What sheer hypocrisy...
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I agree. more women need to show their attributes. Doing otherwise is sexist.
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The "Naked" Cowboy was never actually naked, and he was NEVER aggressive. He played guitar and was very polite to passersby. This new phenomenon of dirty, creepy costumed characters - and now topless women - is so far beyond anything that was happening in Times Square over the past twenty years that your comparison is in no way legitimate.
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I've seen men in far skimpier attire than Naked Cowboy's at the public beach. Granted, micro-Speedos don't have a Y-front suggesting their wearers might whip out their junk at a moment's notice, but Naked Cowboy also wears a hat and boots and often hides his junk, such as it is, behind his guitar, which (unlike the panhandler at my local grog shop) he actually plays.
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I guess the idea of any street performer not being allowed to accept money has not cross their minds yet.
It may be unfair to actual "artists", but when the majority ruins a good thing because of greed dominated by force, and you can't seem to control it, you must stop it altogether.
Isn't that what government does best these days....make laws for the few squeaky wheels?
It may be unfair to actual "artists", but when the majority ruins a good thing because of greed dominated by force, and you can't seem to control it, you must stop it altogether.
Isn't that what government does best these days....make laws for the few squeaky wheels?
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It's simple, make them carry and display a price list.
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I do not understand the PROTECTIONS afforded by the Law to artistic expression. Artistic Expression?? This is just some paint on nude bodies. This is flashing, obscene, civic indecency. This is panhandling, graffiti. Are all these activities illegal ?? If these desnudas are legal, then it makes lives for all other citizens' cooler! They can shed their shorts, T-shirts and even under-wear (!!) to stay cool! Just dab some paint on yourself. Get nude!! We can also save a lot on air-conditioning and never have power outages!! I can now understand how our nude ancestors were happy and cool, in-sync with Nature never depleting the ozone layer!!
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I would rather shell out a few bucks to those beautiful ladies to feel special or have a cool memorable comic picture with my kids then endure the constant barrage of homeless beggars and incessant street performers bothering me everywhere I go BUT Times Square. Real New Yorkers do not go to Time Square. We go to work and back home and we shouldn't be bothered and our trains should run on time and cost less. Time Square is a place for entertainment and for tourists. These people are doing a "job" by dressing up all day and humiliating themselves for a few dollars. Let them be. You go to other cities and get robbed or fleeced the moment you step out the train. But in New York if you have to deal with Elmo or Superman shaking you down for a picture - God forbid, the world is ending! We have much bigger problems in the city. DeBlasio get your "stuff" together and focus on real issues.
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maybe these women need to break dance on the subways to boom boxes as many others do. That would be real entertainment. And getting kicked in the head by them would not hurt as much!
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It appears NYC is no longer a world class city
with people now urinating, etc in the street,
homeless surrounding the UN,
increasing mass transit woes,
legionnaires disease,
an increase in violent crime
and now painted topless hustlers.
Why even the tallest building in NYC will be in Queens
Goodbye tourists,
with people now urinating, etc in the street,
homeless surrounding the UN,
increasing mass transit woes,
legionnaires disease,
an increase in violent crime
and now painted topless hustlers.
Why even the tallest building in NYC will be in Queens
Goodbye tourists,
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Goodbye tourists? Sounds like heaven to me! I'll gladly put up with the homeless.
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Di Blasio's policies and miserable management not to say leaderless style have made Times Square a magnet for these people. They believe as do the many vagrants infesting the city that anything goes with the feckless character in Gracie Mansion. The Mayor has been embarassed by the press coverage of the city under his rule. Perhaps he will bring back the policies that made NYC a great city under his predecessors but only because the publicity showing the results of his poor judgement has forced him to.
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You make a very large claim here. Please explain how Mr. Di Blasio's policies logically lead to the desnudas in Times Square. This is just a new variation on the old New York hustle and has nothing to do with Di Blasio.
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Odd, that they are only now appearing and did not festoon the Square under Guiliani or Bloomberg. His approach to city life is that anything goes--increased vagrancy, quality of life crimes etc.--as long as they do not infringe on his political allies or positions (Sharpton, anti-police).
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What kind of "world class" city does New York want to be? One you can bring your kids to or one where anything can happen?
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NYC has always been a city where anything can happen, leave the kids in Westchester
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the latter ismuch more exciting. Its like a Disney Land for grown ups. And one does not have to travel all the way to Vegas.
At least in Vegas you have a chance to come out ahead.
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If a 6 y/o is required to register for a permit to operate a lemonade stand in his/her front yard, why aren’t these people required to do the same?
If a person is required to register for a permit to have a yard sale, why aren’t these people required to do the same?
If a restaurant server is required to file & pay taxes on their tips (which are considered income), why aren’t these people required to do the same?
And, why stop with the costumed/painted people? Why not do something about the people aggressively asking to "give something to the homeless” on every corner have to do the same? Recall the United Homeless Organization and its counterparts: every time they or a similar group is shut down for fraudulent practices, overnight the group reassembles, sporting new shirts/signs/jugs/boxes and shifts 1 block away from their previous location. Same people. Why aren’t they regulated (and audited)? They’re equally aggressive.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/homeless-organization-is-sh...
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/united-homeless-organization-a-scam-say...
They get "shut down" but they're still here -- all over town, incl Times Sq.
To Hal in Chicago: C’mon, NO ONE wants to be harassed just trying to get to the office – not even you. Or to a bus/subway/restaurant/theater/hotel/dry cleaners/etc., for that matter – those businesses all operate here in the Times Square area for people who reside nearby or are visiting for work or vacation.
If a person is required to register for a permit to have a yard sale, why aren’t these people required to do the same?
If a restaurant server is required to file & pay taxes on their tips (which are considered income), why aren’t these people required to do the same?
And, why stop with the costumed/painted people? Why not do something about the people aggressively asking to "give something to the homeless” on every corner have to do the same? Recall the United Homeless Organization and its counterparts: every time they or a similar group is shut down for fraudulent practices, overnight the group reassembles, sporting new shirts/signs/jugs/boxes and shifts 1 block away from their previous location. Same people. Why aren’t they regulated (and audited)? They’re equally aggressive.
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/24/homeless-organization-is-sh...
http://www.villagevoice.com/news/united-homeless-organization-a-scam-say...
They get "shut down" but they're still here -- all over town, incl Times Sq.
To Hal in Chicago: C’mon, NO ONE wants to be harassed just trying to get to the office – not even you. Or to a bus/subway/restaurant/theater/hotel/dry cleaners/etc., for that matter – those businesses all operate here in the Times Square area for people who reside nearby or are visiting for work or vacation.
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I don't see a First Amendment issue here. Those ladies can walk around Times Square all they want. When they approach people for money, then they cross the line.
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I avoid lingering in Midtown during summers & holidays whenever I am in the city. Met a friend at GCT a few weeks ago & we walked to a theater between 6th & 7th. Early for curtain, we took the long way, walking up Fifth Ave before heading west. My friend & I were dressed in what we term "theater casual" (it's summer in the city, folks.) He: khakis & a cotton button front shirt, sleeves rolled, open collar, loafers. Me: cotton shift, flats. We both felt like we were dressed for the opera, opening night, when compared to the attire worn by the crowds surrounding us.
Good grief! Holly Golightly would weep.
Good grief! Holly Golightly would weep.
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A bit of variation here: The more things change, the more some things remain the same. I enjoyed living for more than 2 decades in NYC, and appreciated the area's grittiness in the 70s and 80s, but shied away from Disney Midtown in the 90s. Now, it looks like the 'entertainers' in the peep-show booths of the 70s have simply moved outside with no need to contribute to overhead or pay a 'landlord.'
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Good for the mayor. Times Square has always been seedy but let these people take over and you will soon have a sanctuary for panhandlers and the homeless. Union Square in San Francisco is another dump.
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Robert - Excellent idea, there are some who love the idea of a "sanctuary city."
Well Minnie Mouse and Elmo have enough sense to be sporting newish looking imported Kiplings crossbody bags. At least you can be accosted by someone with sensible taste although those clips do unhook, Miss Minnie.
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Why do the wants of the few supersede the rights of the many??? NYC is a national treasure and when it is respected as such all New Yorkers benefit as do we all. New York City for New Yorkers first is a policy that will benefit us all including tourists. If NYC devolves once again into what it was in the 70s and 80s it benefits no one, especially all New Yorkers. People callously taking advantage of our democratic ideals and our good will, not to mention tax paying New Yorkers, should not be permitted to turn NYC into their personal cash register as they are now doing in Times Square. Please Mayor De Blasio, for the good of NYC, its inhabitants and its visitors ( and the Democratic Party) not on your watch.
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These people prey on people that are unaccustomed and uncomfortable with just ignoring people and/or saying "no". It is certainly swarmy and unethical. It is also the way it is in big cities all over the world. That is one of the fundamental difference between a big city and just a city. In a big enough city even a small percentage of people being con artists equates to a large amount of total people. People will do nearly anything to get you to part with your money. Just keep moving, keep your valuables secure, and they will move on to the next easier mark.
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Sounds like a terrible place to visit.
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Yes, it is. That's why tourists and people unfortunate enough to work nearby are the only ones who go to Times Square.
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Yeah it's awful. You should totally stay in Arizona.
I have often wondered why the Americans are more concerned about sex and nudity, than about guns and violence.
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This issue has nothing to do with our problem with guns and violence-which is an extreme problem, admittedly. It's about illegal panhandling, and sleazy misrepresentation of NYC.
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Your comment is besides the point. This is not about the nudity at all - but rather about the aggressive way it is used to pressure tourists to hand over some cash.
The same applies to the (totally non-nude and non-sexual) Mickey Mouse character.
The same applies to the (totally non-nude and non-sexual) Mickey Mouse character.
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Seems like it does kinda connect with guns. Without guns, the crooks will surround you in funny costumes and steal your money as they threaten you.
Nobody is above the law. They can do it as far as the law allows and should be able to do it. I see women with bare breasts in Union Square or Washington Square Park. Sometimes you see a rally of naked women. No panties, duh. No body painting. Sun bathing, attention, emancipation from sexual object, etc. who knows why they do it. Of course they don't get the money from doing it. But can you really blame people working for money in NYC? These are voluntary donations, what can you do? They do it simply because they can. Suppose a cop comes and bans it, they might just sue the city and it will be a mockery to the system, let alone the ridiculous tax payment to all kinds of manufactured-causes. So unless/until the city makes the law appropriate to regulate, they should not touch it. So get the law done before you say anything. Or beam the huge bat sign up the sky or on Empire State Building, our heroes might come and save all of us from the lust-ful (I hope not they get stuck in between and take a pic with these women).
Until then, it's just another day in the beach in Times Square.
Until then, it's just another day in the beach in Times Square.
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Commenter after commenter in this space opine that "begging/panhandling is illegal."
WRONG! Panhandling laws exist but that doesn't mean they are "legal" or constitutional. [US history is FULL of such laws!]
Whether the laws are nice or not, however, is an ancillary issue. The principal question is whether begging constitutes free speech. Time after time, courts have ruled that it does. "There is no question that panhandling and solicitation of charitable contributions are protected speech," said the 4th Circuit recently. Several years ago, the 6th Circuit noted in a Michigan case that the Supreme Court has protected solicitation by groups, &—citing decisions in the 2nd, 11th, and 4th (the latter, again, concerning the Charlottesville, Virginia ban)—held that individual "begging is a form of solicitation that the First Amendment protects" as well.
The Michigan case involved such appeals for help as signs reading "Cold and Hungry, God Bless" and "Need Job, God Bless," as well as the verbal appeal, "Can you spare a little change?" It's impossible to argue with a straight face that such communication is not speech—and, moreover, speech that harms no one.
Of course, sometimes the people with their hands out can be downright menacing. They don't simply ask for your money, they rudely demand it. They tell you how much you have to pay. And then they threaten to make your life miserable if you don't comply.
We don't call them the panhandlers, though. We call them politicians.
WRONG! Panhandling laws exist but that doesn't mean they are "legal" or constitutional. [US history is FULL of such laws!]
Whether the laws are nice or not, however, is an ancillary issue. The principal question is whether begging constitutes free speech. Time after time, courts have ruled that it does. "There is no question that panhandling and solicitation of charitable contributions are protected speech," said the 4th Circuit recently. Several years ago, the 6th Circuit noted in a Michigan case that the Supreme Court has protected solicitation by groups, &—citing decisions in the 2nd, 11th, and 4th (the latter, again, concerning the Charlottesville, Virginia ban)—held that individual "begging is a form of solicitation that the First Amendment protects" as well.
The Michigan case involved such appeals for help as signs reading "Cold and Hungry, God Bless" and "Need Job, God Bless," as well as the verbal appeal, "Can you spare a little change?" It's impossible to argue with a straight face that such communication is not speech—and, moreover, speech that harms no one.
Of course, sometimes the people with their hands out can be downright menacing. They don't simply ask for your money, they rudely demand it. They tell you how much you have to pay. And then they threaten to make your life miserable if you don't comply.
We don't call them the panhandlers, though. We call them politicians.
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Oh c'mon, everyone hustles to survive in America. Don't we get "shaken down" by corporations and Wall St all the time.
Of course the only people who get attacked and regulated (and by a progressive mayor no less) are women of color who don't have papers. Surprise!
DeBlasio vs Desnudas. Round One!
Of course the only people who get attacked and regulated (and by a progressive mayor no less) are women of color who don't have papers. Surprise!
DeBlasio vs Desnudas. Round One!
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So, Repubican, are Italian women "of color? Or are you one of those who think all black haired people are, you know, not racially pure?
In the spirit of compromise I think the Times Square topless women should have one side of their bodies clothed and the other nude. Vertically of course.
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I live in Hell's Kitchen, so the Times Square Experience lies between my home and the subway. Like any New Yorker, I have many complaints and misgivings about the Times Square Mall. The cartoon characters and "desnudes" seem to me to evoke a seedy and embarrassing New York. Every day I am amazed to parents happily taking photos of their children hugged and fondled by complete strangers clothed in filthy costumes. By comparison, naked or near naked people in a what-you-see-is-what-you-get costumes don't seem nearly as alarming to me.
All that said, it is aggressive panhandling (no matter who or what one wears or doesn't wear) and should not be part of any tourist destination in our fair city.
All that said, it is aggressive panhandling (no matter who or what one wears or doesn't wear) and should not be part of any tourist destination in our fair city.
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The City should post signs informing tourists that paying tips is completely discretionary and aggressive behavior from street performers demanding tips should be reported to police. And there should be plenty of police on hand to make it easy to so report. Simple...next problem, please.
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Not so simple. There are several such signs there.
Just because there is a sign, it doesn't solve the problem.
Just because there is a sign, it doesn't solve the problem.
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They obviously should be on welfare instead of earning a living, because, well, because, uh, they're non-union scabs, yeah, that's it.
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It seems me that "family friendly" costumed characters and "desnudas" are harkening back to a bit of the pre-Gulliani Times Square. The effort to make Times Square into a family friendly NY destination may have been a little like trying to market Las Vegas a family friendly vacation destination. Good intentions, but without oversight, there are a lot of unintended consequences. I get that folks are trying to make a living, but a little civility will go a long way. The Times Square Business Association and NYC Gov't/police need to step up and manage the behavior, as the "characters" will not.
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I thought Lost Wages had the exclusive patent on this behavior. Although I don't recall seeing any ladies dressed only in Sherwin Williams when I was walking the Strip last year. Too hot, possibly, or maybe Vegas just enforces a stricter dress code.
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Glad to see our mayor is focused on the big issues facing our city. May make sense for him to appoint a Desnuda commissioner to tackle this societal injustice.
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Haha yes. Let's make sure he hires a completely unqualified crony, or even better a boyfriend or girlfriend of a staffer, and pay them hundreds of thousands of dollars too. Oh wait, he already did that.
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They have this problem in Tel Aviv. Totally out of hand.
I didn't see any topless women there? Where were they? I want to know.
I work in Times Square and witness aggressive costumed con-artists shaking tourists down every day. It is very upsetting and makes me angry. Here's the MO: they pick cartoon characters they know kids love. As soon as a tourist pauses to take a picture, one of them will rush to approach. Ok, says the tourist to Little Johnny, we can take a picture with Spiderman. But as soon as they start to pose with Spiderman, 9 other characters will rush into the picture. Once the picture is taken, the switch flips and they all demand obscene amounts of money from the parents. When the parents resist, they take off their masks and abuse and threaten them in front of their children. The number of characters seems to be increasing, with the competition making them more and more aggressive. I love the hustle and bustle of New York but this really is unacceptable. PS - The fact that some of them are now topless is irrelevant to the main issue. As far as I've seen, the desnudas are some of the more polite cons working the square (and, for obvious reasons, less likely to prey on kids).
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It's a sad day when we can't tell the different between artists and thugs. I'm tired of the first amendment being used to justify harassment whether it's for money or preventing women from getting medical care.
In Barcelona the "artists" stand along the edge of a a wide sidewalk in a popular tourist area. They are elaborately dressed in costumes, they stand about six feet apart, they don't move from their spot and they do not speak. If you want to take a picture with them, you put some money in their container and they will pose with you for a picture. You walk away and that's it. My nephew posed with Don Quixote and the Statue of Liberty. It was a pleasant transaction with nobody being threatened or harassed. The artists made some money and the tourists are happy to see some very intricate costumes. Tourists are free to just look or pay to pose with the characters.
NYC should stop pretending that harassment of tourists is acceptable on first amendment rights. They should regulate and license these so called artists and make them stand in an assigned area and not harass the tourists verbally. They should be arrested if they make visitors to the city feel threatened by their behavior.
In Barcelona the "artists" stand along the edge of a a wide sidewalk in a popular tourist area. They are elaborately dressed in costumes, they stand about six feet apart, they don't move from their spot and they do not speak. If you want to take a picture with them, you put some money in their container and they will pose with you for a picture. You walk away and that's it. My nephew posed with Don Quixote and the Statue of Liberty. It was a pleasant transaction with nobody being threatened or harassed. The artists made some money and the tourists are happy to see some very intricate costumes. Tourists are free to just look or pay to pose with the characters.
NYC should stop pretending that harassment of tourists is acceptable on first amendment rights. They should regulate and license these so called artists and make them stand in an assigned area and not harass the tourists verbally. They should be arrested if they make visitors to the city feel threatened by their behavior.
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Didn't that Elmo get arrested for aggressive panhandling at some point?
These characters are really pushing the boundaries of tolerance the city has to offer. As of now, they are a liability damaging our public image and should be reined in.
Need I mention that there is a NYPD precinct on Times Square not even a block away from these aggressive panhandlers.
These characters are really pushing the boundaries of tolerance the city has to offer. As of now, they are a liability damaging our public image and should be reined in.
Need I mention that there is a NYPD precinct on Times Square not even a block away from these aggressive panhandlers.
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So, a guy calling himself the Naked Cowboy hangs around Times Square for years in nothing but his underwear and a hat and no one bats an eye. Let some women try prit near the same thing & Mayor Bill has a conniption fit.
Double standards much?
Double standards much?
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When the Naked Cowboy paints his genitals instead of covering them up with his underwear then you can start making your comparison.
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I, and I'm sure other native New Yorkers and commentors must be starting to feel like broken records, but I'll repeat my reply to an an earlier, similar comment:
"It's not about the toplessness. It's about their aggressive panhandling. The "Naked" Cowboy was/is never aggressive. He stands and plays his guitar and will take a picture when approached."
"It's not about the toplessness. It's about their aggressive panhandling. The "Naked" Cowboy was/is never aggressive. He stands and plays his guitar and will take a picture when approached."
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Let him paint his genitals. It's just genitals. Your kids will survive seeing them. They see their own every day.
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State law permits a woman to be topless anywhere that a man can be topless. Therefore, if de Blasio really wants to "regulate" this, he could pass a law banning ANYONE from being topless in Times Square.
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Sure, but the harassment has to stop. It's not their existence that's the problem, it's their aggressive panhandling behavior. This is illegal in NYC. Also, the desnudas aren't being singled out. The costumed people would be included in any regulations as well.
If de Blasio really wants to "regulate" this, he could pass a law requiring EVERYONE (including the police officers) to be topless in Times Square. That would drive the desnudas out of business. It would also solve the Times Square overcrowding problem.
There are a myriad of fascinating places & things to do in Manhattan, (other than Times Square).
Your choice.
Your choice.
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At least with the old and dirty Times Square it was obvious who the hustlers and shakedown artists were.
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NO they shouldn't be regulated, they should be allowed. Period.
Mayor de Blasio has taken the city back to the Koch, Dinkins era in a scant 2 years, his lack of experience and lassez fair attitude is reflected in what the city has become. Way to go Mayor, here's praying you will eb relegated to Brooklyn and back to your rent regulated apartment and far away from City Hall. You've done enough damage aleady. This is what happens when Liberal/Progressive Democrats run cities, case in point...............DETROIT.
Mayor de Blasio has taken the city back to the Koch, Dinkins era in a scant 2 years, his lack of experience and lassez fair attitude is reflected in what the city has become. Way to go Mayor, here's praying you will eb relegated to Brooklyn and back to your rent regulated apartment and far away from City Hall. You've done enough damage aleady. This is what happens when Liberal/Progressive Democrats run cities, case in point...............DETROIT.
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Let the hustlers continue to rip off tourists?
Your point makes no sense.
Maybe we should bring back peepshows as a historical attraction and then the Desnudas would no longer be needed?
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better a hooker in body paint than some grifter in an elmo outfit that hasn't been washed since 2004
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Change the name to Toilet Square, it's been going that way for some time.
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New York Penal - Article 245 - § 245.00 Public Lewdness
A person is guilty of public lewdness when he intentionally exposes
the private or intimate parts of his body in a lewd manner or commits
any other lewd act (a) in a public place, or (b) in private premises
under circumstances in which he may readily be observed from either a
public place or from other private premises, and with intent that he be
so observed.
Public lewdness is a class B misdemeanor.
A person is guilty of public lewdness when he intentionally exposes
the private or intimate parts of his body in a lewd manner or commits
any other lewd act (a) in a public place, or (b) in private premises
under circumstances in which he may readily be observed from either a
public place or from other private premises, and with intent that he be
so observed.
Public lewdness is a class B misdemeanor.
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A man going topless is not included in this law. A man is allowed to be shirtless / bare-chested in many public places. Therefore, under NYS law, woman are also allowed to be shirtless / bare-chested wherever a man could do so, legally. Again, it isn't about their state of dress or undress, it's about their aggressive panhandling which is illegal.
Additionally, any possible regulation would also include the costumed people.
Additionally, any possible regulation would also include the costumed people.
Worked in the neighborhood 30 years ago. Definitely more menacing but also more interesting. Drinks in Port Authority were consumed from time to time after running the gauntlet. And that reminds me of how Gap and 20 dollar cocktails have left streets from Paris to Portland Oregon feeling mass produced and bereft of humanity in some indigenous capacity.
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"The only purpose for which power can be rightfully exercised over any member of a civilized community, against his will, is to prevent harm to others." J.S. Mill (On Liberty, 1861)
Yes, topless women need to be rightfully exercised over.
Tawdry business, but then Times Square has long been a tawdry place. Love to visit NY for lunch and shopping (3 hrs in the comfort of Amtrak business class), but we avoid Times Square.
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I was shocked the first time I saw these naked women in broad daylight in Times Square. If I wanted to see nudity I'd go to a peep show or to a nude beach. I'm highly offended by these exhibitionists and think the Mayor is right on track for wanting to rid us of them. What was the point of ridding Times Square of the peep show shops and prostitutes? These desnudas are just one step towards bringing overt prositution back to Times Square.
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Either that or they just don't hate their bodies as much as you prefer they did.
This really aggravates me since the women and the costumed characters are nothing but hustlers. Why should they be allowed to panhandle New Yorkers and tourists in this manner? I wish they would get a real job and quit making Times Square look seedy again, especially, with the women parading around. Sorry. This isn't art. Is that how people with children are explaining it?
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Just read the best comment - by SusanS western MA:
"Anyone with body paint should not be rubbing up against someone wearing clothing."
No, no, she was serious...
"Anyone with body paint should not be rubbing up against someone wearing clothing."
No, no, she was serious...
Leave the girls alone. They're not harming anyone. But if they become too aggressive, tell them to move along and behave themselves.
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They shouldn't touch people without permission first. Read another story where they got body paint on a guy's suit. Are they going to pay to get his unit cleaned?
It's time for the Mayor to check with the New York State Court of Appeals, since he's only 23 years late in reading their decision from 1992. The decision was summarized most concisely in the concurring opinion by Judge Titone:
"In summary, the People have offered nothing to justify a law that discriminates against women by prohibiting them from removing their tops and exposing their bare chests in public as men are routinely permitted to do."
The case, "The People vs Ramona Santorelli," can be found on the Cornell Law School website: https://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I92_0160.htm
"In summary, the People have offered nothing to justify a law that discriminates against women by prohibiting them from removing their tops and exposing their bare chests in public as men are routinely permitted to do."
The case, "The People vs Ramona Santorelli," can be found on the Cornell Law School website: https://www.law.cornell.edu/nyctap/I92_0160.htm
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I think he should instead focus on the real hustlers: those who work on Wall Street.
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Those who work on welfare pay the taxes to support welfare recipients.
If you don't want to tip street performers, don't take their photo. That's how they make a living.
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As a native NYer, who only walks through Times Square when necessary, I am always asking myself whenever this topic arises: "what the heck are all these annoying characters doing there?" In what way are they representative of New York City or do they add to the NY experience? Answer: in no way, of course. Next question: Why aren't they regulated? Answer: no answer yet.
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Well....why not have the NYPD and the DA and the
Times Square Alliance/BID public safety officers work together as they did in the 90s re: illegal peddlers...Here's how it worked: The peddlers knew very well that the BID public safety officers could not make arrests so the BID officers were ignored......however on certain days--coordinated with the PD and unknown to the peddlers--the BID/Alliance officers could write a "ticket" to the illegal peddler whom she had witnessed selling counterfeit watches or whatever from a briefcase; the NYPD officer in the area who had not witnessed the illegal sale could write then a ticket and use the BID officer's document as a supporting affidavit. The BID officer testified in court....word got out very quickly that there was now effective enforcement. It worked, but it needs to be sustained....and after all that's what business improvement districts do...they supplement services that the City cannot always provide...they are the eyes and ears of city agencies..and when they work as partners with City agencies--real partners---things happen... Good luck.
Times Square Alliance/BID public safety officers work together as they did in the 90s re: illegal peddlers...Here's how it worked: The peddlers knew very well that the BID public safety officers could not make arrests so the BID officers were ignored......however on certain days--coordinated with the PD and unknown to the peddlers--the BID/Alliance officers could write a "ticket" to the illegal peddler whom she had witnessed selling counterfeit watches or whatever from a briefcase; the NYPD officer in the area who had not witnessed the illegal sale could write then a ticket and use the BID officer's document as a supporting affidavit. The BID officer testified in court....word got out very quickly that there was now effective enforcement. It worked, but it needs to be sustained....and after all that's what business improvement districts do...they supplement services that the City cannot always provide...they are the eyes and ears of city agencies..and when they work as partners with City agencies--real partners---things happen... Good luck.
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Just leave it alone.
Like, I presume, most New Yorkers who don't have to work there, I avoid Times Square like the plague. But I see the allure for tourists. The lights, the sensory assault, the chaos. The naked ladies and the costumed characters are part of the cacophony. As for the aggressive demand for tips - well, New Yorkers are not known to be a demure people.
Like, I presume, most New Yorkers who don't have to work there, I avoid Times Square like the plague. But I see the allure for tourists. The lights, the sensory assault, the chaos. The naked ladies and the costumed characters are part of the cacophony. As for the aggressive demand for tips - well, New Yorkers are not known to be a demure people.
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I wouldn't pay more than $2.
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de Blasio jumps on the public sentiment band wagon. Too late, Mr. Mayor. As usual you are behind the curve. You need to get up earlier, work harder, and travel less. Being mayor is a full time job.
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I feel cheated! The shortest and fastest route for me to get to work, is by walking thru Times Square, so I do it pretty much every day. Yet I have never been accosted by any street character, costumed or otherwise. Walk briskly, don't make eye contact. Or maybe it's just my RBF?
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/fashion/im-not-mad-thats-just-my-resti...
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/02/fashion/im-not-mad-thats-just-my-resti...
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You're too young or obviously not a tourist for the costumed people to stop you and why would a desnudas target a woman?
Hopefully these folks are reporting their income to the IRS and NYS.
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Here's an easy fix. From what I've read most of these characters are illegal aliens. Start asking for SS or green cards (they are, after all, earning money, working) and I bet the majority of them go away.
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I think a great way to regulate would be to demand that each desnuda have her mother stand with her in Times Square. I would imagine this would greatly cut back on the number of young women "artists" willing to parade about, looking for men to "rub up against".
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The mayor, quite rightly, is concerned with the harassment of passersby and solicitation for money. The press, predictably, is obsessed with toplessness.
We might suggest to the reporters and writers that they pretend they have seen a woman before.
We might suggest to the reporters and writers that they pretend they have seen a woman before.
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Personally, I find the Disney characters, superheros, and every other costumed pest in Times Square who accosts pedestrians equally annoying.
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You can blame the extreme pc women's rights group for this pushing for women to go topless in public like men, along with the other extreme..muslim women who are covered from head to toe when they interact with the public on business.
You have to balance rights with good judgement and community standards.
There should be minimum standards for all performers in Times Square, ie women cover their tops and bottoms with a agreed upon minimum standard bikini...same thing for men's bottoms. Also for muslim women..if they want to interact with the public on business you should be able to see their faces and talk with them, also it's a safety issue.
It's called common sense.
You have to balance rights with good judgement and community standards.
There should be minimum standards for all performers in Times Square, ie women cover their tops and bottoms with a agreed upon minimum standard bikini...same thing for men's bottoms. Also for muslim women..if they want to interact with the public on business you should be able to see their faces and talk with them, also it's a safety issue.
It's called common sense.
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The Disneyfication of Times Square has now come full circle. We are back where we started with porn.
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"The topless women often accost men as they walk through Times Square, grabbing their arms or rubbing up against them while offering to pose for pictures". If true, they certainly could be arrested for assault or sexual assault, depending on the nature of the "rubbing".
I am always surprised that Disney doesn't find a way to crack down on the unauthorized costumed characters potentially besmirching the Disney "brand". Come on, Disney has enough lawyers to sue all of us out of existence. Not saying Disney *should* do this; just surprised it doesn't.
I am always surprised that Disney doesn't find a way to crack down on the unauthorized costumed characters potentially besmirching the Disney "brand". Come on, Disney has enough lawyers to sue all of us out of existence. Not saying Disney *should* do this; just surprised it doesn't.
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I had never heard of these Desnudas before. So I googled term and based upon reading several articles seems larger issue may be human trafficking and economic / sexual exploitation by handlers, not to mention men admit they / girls are running a business.
And what's le immigration status of all those associated with Desnudas?
And what's le immigration status of all those associated with Desnudas?
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The mayor is right. Naked people need to be inside clubs that cater to that kind of thing. Most of us don't want to see it, and shouldn't have to see it on a public street, that was funded by taxpayers.
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but some of us do want to see it on public streets. Why do you deny us? are you anti-freedom and anti-free trade?
Perhaps the constitution protects their right to artistic expression, but not their right to take money. Outlaw the money. Give flyers to every hotel in Manhattan telling the tourists that giving money is illegal, and that they shouldn't give and they shouldn't be asked. Once the money disappears, so will the nuisance.
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The paved pedestrian areas in Times Square should be designated a public park. Business activity should be limited to a regulated number of licensed food vendors. The net effect of the aggressively panhandling characters on tourists and on the image of New York City is clearly negative. Panhandling is not a constitutionally protected activity. If tourists want photos with cartoon characters they should go to the nation's theme parks, where the characters are employees. And the Times Square characters can apply for jobs there. The desnudas can go to downtown Las Vegas, where they will fit right in.
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NYC is the Las Vegas of the east and the New Orleans of the north, why try to change that just for prude business minded concerns? Go to LA if you don't like NY, the rest of us are just fine the way things are.
If Giuliani were mayor, you can bet none of this would be allowed. Panhandlers would get the short end of the stick by whatever means necessary. It wouldn't be pretty, but tourists would be able to enjoy the city freely.
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Times Square is one big hustle. An organic living part of the city was turned over to the real estate interests to turn into one big theme park; a tourist trap that presents a sanitized shopping mall as "the real New York".
Seems the perfect place for buskers and all sorts of hustlers. No doubt the established businesses are complaining about the competition for the tourist dollars - the hell with them as they're carpetbaggers anyhow.
Seems the perfect place for buskers and all sorts of hustlers. No doubt the established businesses are complaining about the competition for the tourist dollars - the hell with them as they're carpetbaggers anyhow.
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I have an idea --
Why not establish businesses in small, out-of-the-way storefronts in Times Square where people can choose to safely enter for a fee - where they have the opportunity to view and interact with nude and semi-nude women...?
Let's see...what could we call these businesses - ??
Hmmm....
How about "Peep Shows" --
Oh -- wait...
Why not establish businesses in small, out-of-the-way storefronts in Times Square where people can choose to safely enter for a fee - where they have the opportunity to view and interact with nude and semi-nude women...?
Let's see...what could we call these businesses - ??
Hmmm....
How about "Peep Shows" --
Oh -- wait...
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Isn't this what the 42 used to be, way back when? It's no more alluring now, than it was then. Businesses and tourists have a right to complain.
Yeah let's have NYC go back to what it was in the 70's because that worked out so well.
So, first of all, de Blasio-
A) Topless females are bad, but an underwear clad (and topless) male guitar player is okay? Sexist.
B) de Blasio wants to regulate topless females but not homeless people taking a bath in Columbus Circle? Absurd.
This man is the very definition of not having your priorities straight.
A) Topless females are bad, but an underwear clad (and topless) male guitar player is okay? Sexist.
B) de Blasio wants to regulate topless females but not homeless people taking a bath in Columbus Circle? Absurd.
This man is the very definition of not having your priorities straight.
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I get some of your points, but would guess that if women anywhere in the US were to remove their tops in public as men sometimes do, if only to mow the lawn, people objecting would not be called sexist.
Fair or not, female breasts have always been an object of male desire, while male breasts play a lesser part in the desire of females, at least among heterosexuals. As men are clearly the problem, they should perhaps be required to wear blinders while traversing Times Square. ; )
There is really no doubt that these ladies would be off the street already were their bosoms not cloaked in body paint. That really begs the question of how far this could go, were the paint to be considered the same as clothing. If underwear-clad-guitar-playing-man were to "go Commando", so to speak, except for the paint, wouldn't onlookers object? How might husbands and fathers feel about their spouses and daughters either being accosted by or being photographed with him in that state. To me, it is clear that either people do make the distinction that the paint is not clothing or that the paint is not really sufficient to fully disguise the gifts or its wearers, but I eagerly await the Supreme Court decision.
Fair or not, female breasts have always been an object of male desire, while male breasts play a lesser part in the desire of females, at least among heterosexuals. As men are clearly the problem, they should perhaps be required to wear blinders while traversing Times Square. ; )
There is really no doubt that these ladies would be off the street already were their bosoms not cloaked in body paint. That really begs the question of how far this could go, were the paint to be considered the same as clothing. If underwear-clad-guitar-playing-man were to "go Commando", so to speak, except for the paint, wouldn't onlookers object? How might husbands and fathers feel about their spouses and daughters either being accosted by or being photographed with him in that state. To me, it is clear that either people do make the distinction that the paint is not clothing or that the paint is not really sufficient to fully disguise the gifts or its wearers, but I eagerly await the Supreme Court decision.
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Agreed...all the hustlers and hucksters, male or female, naked or not, are nothing more than rip-off artists, not outdoor artists exercising their rights of free expression.
New York State constitution specifically allows that anywhere a Man can go topless a Woman can go topless. Our state supreme court struck down laws restricting topless women as unconstitutional, two decades ago.
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If you are sightseeing in Times Square, be prepared to see, hear, smell whatever you get. That goes for you and your kids.
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People like Bill de, a socialist, wants to regulate everything, and that includes when a person can take a bathroom break. Soon he will regulate the number of breath's you can take and when you can take them.
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Um, you think this is "socialism"? Not American Puritanism, misogyny, sexism, or any other category that comes more readily to mind? He is uninterested in regulating any of the other "characters."
As he is with many things, Mayor de Blasio is right on track with this. Whether in painted bodies or cartoon character costumes, there are way too many panhandlers in Times Square who are overly aggressive, impede pedestrian traffic, and diminish my enjoyment of the Times Square experience. I also can't help but wonder about the health implications of those costumes, many of which look like they have not been washed or brushed in years.
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As a former New Yorker I have watched from afar how this Mayor cannot seem to distinguish between the important and the topical. From horses in the park to body painted women, he is on the road to failure. Are dirty water hotdogs next?
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I'm surprised to hear that the mayor is stuck in victorian standards of decency. The naked body, all of it, is beautiful. When did culture begin to force us to hide the beautiful? And it's our bodies that we're hiding. That says a lot about how we see ourselves.
During the 60's and early 70's I lived in communes where nakedness was common. And we didn't think anything of it. In that environment, women relaxed their mores and became as equally aggressive, sexually, as the men. We could feel how right it was to be relaxed about our bodies. By the way, in case you're wondering, the men didn't walk around with erections. Not at all. And sex, when it happened, was considered by everyone as a private matter between the two people engaged. For nudity isn't sex. But it frees the spirit.
Joseph in Missoula
During the 60's and early 70's I lived in communes where nakedness was common. And we didn't think anything of it. In that environment, women relaxed their mores and became as equally aggressive, sexually, as the men. We could feel how right it was to be relaxed about our bodies. By the way, in case you're wondering, the men didn't walk around with erections. Not at all. And sex, when it happened, was considered by everyone as a private matter between the two people engaged. For nudity isn't sex. But it frees the spirit.
Joseph in Missoula
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Wow sir I am glad that you are not my next door neighbor. I am a born raised naive born New Yorker. I worked on Madison Ave and then in the Garment area. Cant't be more mid town then that. Came in from N.J thru the Lincoln Tunnel and risked my life daily going to work. Mayor "G" cleaned up the city. Now it's sliding back to silliness and annoying hustlers again. Mid town is having a high priced building boom, who wants these semi naked hustlers in the streets? Remember the so called Mitvah vans around Bryant Park. Mid town Manhattan is no place for begging and beggars. Get them off the streets, including the "Naked Cowboy" Manhattan is not a commune.
You said it yourself Joseph. YOU lived on communes, these women and all of the other idiots parading around Times Square are out in public. Big difference. And if just one of these women is attacked or groped by a drunk or homeless person then what? They get to sue and collect a huge payday. These women belong elsewhere not roaming the public streets of Times Square.
Sorry Joe, NYC is not a commune.
The desnudas and other costumed characters are not amusing and add absolutely nothing to the atmosphere of Times Square. They are just cheesy panhandlers who are there to take advantage of gullible tourists. Times Square should be celebrated as the center of the Broadway theatre district, which is an amazing cultural, creative, and economic engine for one of the greatest cities on earth. Allowing these characters to freely ply their trade just cheapens the experience for people who come there from around the world.
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Yes, god forbid that actual humans get in the way of tourists experiencing New York.
When I go to New Orleans there are some panhandlers in the French Quarter who pretty much have no talent but the vast majority of the people busking on the streets are good musicians and dancers. The music ranges from jazz to Cajun to classical to just about everything. I've seen steel drums played, glass harps, a hammered dulcimer. I don't mind tipping the truly talented but just putting on a costume or walking around in body paint that just says "I love NY" instead of being actual art, well, none of that takes talent. They're just taking up room.
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When I worked nearby during the 70's & early 80's, Times Square & 42nd St. were no place to be, especially at night. Even the walk to the bus stop was dangerous & I had a number of altercations that scared me. It was full of pimps, drunks, druggies, hookers, sleazy movie theatres, creepy guys & it was just plain filthy. Like many New Yorkers who had had enough, I left, so did my parents, brothers & friends. This wasn't where I'd be raising my kids. Welcome Mayor Giuliani & the area became the thriving tourist attraction it was meant to be. I've taken my kids to the wax museum, John's Pizza in the old church, the big Toys R Us & other stores, enjoyed the brunch at BB Kings, skated at Bryant Park & we loved seeing all the lights. We'd go into the city every spring and Christmas and spend 3 or 4 days (and a lot of money). It was also an honor to take a picture with NYC Police, it still is. Since Giuliani left, the creep of decline has begun again. It is unbelievable that 1 tough mayor was able to do what Lindsay, Beame, Koch and Dinkens couldn't do. We've also been accosted by Elmo in his smelly, disgusting costume and were cursed at. We didn't want a picture of him! Topless women will have parents with small children avoid the area, that's just a fact. The complaints should come from the stores, restaurants, museums who have seen the rejuvenation of Times Square. Do we really want a return to the 70's and 80's? That's what's happening....so sad.
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Well said. Clean the place up and do it at once.
So, we should trade a few topless women for a fascist?
God help us.
Giuliani?
Never again.
God help us.
Giuliani?
Never again.
Times Square is worse than ever. At least before, you didn't have fat tourists and their kids and drunken Disney characters. And that idiot in his underwear.
The desnudas also have handlers, who are effectively pimping them for a percentage. That alone should shut them down.
The desnudas also have handlers, who are effectively pimping them for a percentage. That alone should shut them down.
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Worse than ever? what, did you just get off the bus?
if you want to see how bad it was, just Google NY pictures of the 80's.
if you want to see how bad it was, just Google NY pictures of the 80's.
this is not about man vs. woman. this is about normal people being harassed on the public sidewalk by strangers wanting money. Fine them and tell them to get a real job.
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their current jobs probably pay a lot more than any "real " jobs they can obtain. Its the free enterprise system at work.
Why do liberals not understand?
Why do liberals not understand?
"Only the chaste are truly obscene."
~ JORIS-KARL HUYSMANS
(1848 – 1907)
French novelist
~ JORIS-KARL HUYSMANS
(1848 – 1907)
French novelist
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Not just "French Novelist," but arch-decadent of the 19th century. Read "Against the Grain" (A Rebours) and meet Des Esseintes, a character who puts to shame any examples of "decadence" in Times Square.
Given all the wonderful things to do in New York, I've never understood the allure of Times Square. I guess it's good that so many of the commenters have said they'll put off coming to New York. The fewer the merrier. Museums, streets, subways, buses, and restaurants will be less crowded, and the sensibilities of the sensitive will be preserved.
Given all the wonderful things to do in New York, I've never understood the allure of Times Square. I guess it's good that so many of the commenters have said they'll put off coming to New York. The fewer the merrier. Museums, streets, subways, buses, and restaurants will be less crowded, and the sensibilities of the sensitive will be preserved.
I'm much less offended by a naked or painted woman than I am offended by Elmo or a Disney character begging money from children's parents. The only thing worse would be a naked guy dressed as a first responder.
The only question from the city should be:
Do you have a tax license and permit? And remember, no badgering for money. Smile!
The only question from the city should be:
Do you have a tax license and permit? And remember, no badgering for money. Smile!
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I know what they are saying, but the impetus for this sudden need for the situation to be dealt with in an "aggressive manner" is the presence of the desnudas. The costumed characters have been around for a while and even with the complaints arising in the past concerning their aggressive demands for tips the Mayor never expressed such righteous indignation. The Mayor etc. are being advised that for this thing to hold up in Court it is necessary to make it appear from the beginning that it is not the desnudas that are the problem but the "pushy panhandlers" (which includes the desnudas of course). To do so otherwise would risk this action being cast as a thinly veiled end run around the First Amendment. If their intent is to prevent the panhandling, and not the presence of the women and costumed characters then there are other ways of addressing/regulating the actions of these individuals (designated locations for them etc.). The intent of the proposed action is to accomplish one thing and one thing only: the removal of those the City considers to be undesirable.
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For Pete's sake, it's Times Square.
Crossroads of the world, the mecca of conspicuous consumption, nexus of tourista traps galore. Bloomberg thought turning this area into a mall would make it what?, more European? No, instead it remains a freak show, and still retains its title of being a champion of crass commercialism, a black hole of schlock. But now it has chairs, inviting bumpkins to take off their shoes and set a spell and linger in this mass of human debris instead of moving on as fast as one's feet can carry them.
It is our supreme homage to the gods of gaudy, surpassing even that other atrocious symbol of New York City at its most garish, Trump Tower, and the king who reigns over it, The Donald. What's even more amazing to behold is to witness America now succumb to The Donald's "Charm". Republican yahoos have fallen head over heels in love with The Donald. Both Times Square and The Donald, as any sane New Yorker would tell you, are icons we denizens of this humble little burgh attempt to avoid like the Plague.
What's next? Bringing back King Kong?
DD
Manhattan
Crossroads of the world, the mecca of conspicuous consumption, nexus of tourista traps galore. Bloomberg thought turning this area into a mall would make it what?, more European? No, instead it remains a freak show, and still retains its title of being a champion of crass commercialism, a black hole of schlock. But now it has chairs, inviting bumpkins to take off their shoes and set a spell and linger in this mass of human debris instead of moving on as fast as one's feet can carry them.
It is our supreme homage to the gods of gaudy, surpassing even that other atrocious symbol of New York City at its most garish, Trump Tower, and the king who reigns over it, The Donald. What's even more amazing to behold is to witness America now succumb to The Donald's "Charm". Republican yahoos have fallen head over heels in love with The Donald. Both Times Square and The Donald, as any sane New Yorker would tell you, are icons we denizens of this humble little burgh attempt to avoid like the Plague.
What's next? Bringing back King Kong?
DD
Manhattan
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Mr Mayor, how about getting the aggressive homeless and panhandlers off the streets, the over-aggressive fake watch and trinket vendors off the sidewalks, putting some sense back into your policies with the police so that the city starts feeling safe once again. The topless women in Time Square pester nobody.
Unfortunately, tourists are forced into smaller areas of NYC because of the fear of increasing violence and crime. Most directly attributable to the current mayor, his police and safety policies, and his corrupt administration.
Unfortunately, tourists are forced into smaller areas of NYC because of the fear of increasing violence and crime. Most directly attributable to the current mayor, his police and safety policies, and his corrupt administration.
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Typical Democrat: regulate, regulate, regulate. Why can't we treat adults like adults.
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Because there are also kids present, whose parents might not want them exposed to naked women quite so soon. And there are also adults who don't feel that walking out in public should compel them to endure harassment, confrontation and an onslaught of uncivilly (particularly from the talentless losers whose only way to earn a living is to flounce about naked or dress as Elmo, et al.). Even in NYC.
By the way, are the loser in the costumes paying any licensing fees to the creators of the characters, all of whom I would assume are copyright protected?
By the way, are the loser in the costumes paying any licensing fees to the creators of the characters, all of whom I would assume are copyright protected?
Do you think letting adults be adults includes letting some of them assault others for money?
Hustlers are OK on Wall Street but not in Times Square?
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Only the naked painted ones.
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every story pushes my first visit ever to new york further into the
future
I am 57
future
I am 57
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I guess I will quit complaining about the aggravating/aggressive deer roaming the neighborhoods here now. Mean Elmo and buck naked people rubbing paint on you sounds like a ring of Hell. Plus the deer will eat your garden for Free.
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30-40 years ago, Times Square and 8th Av was a sullen, dangerous jungle compared to what it is today. Just watch "Taxi Driver" to get a sense of that era. Hustlers and street panhandlers have always been a fixture of that terrain, the "Disney-fying" of Times Square started by Rudi Giuliani notwithstanding. When I lived and worked in NY years ago, any foray I made to or around Times Square never failed to amaze, at the collection of weirdos, miscreants, street performers, con-artists
and religious fanatics of whatever stripe that collected there like rats in a sewer drain. I learned at an early age to keep my distance, but apparently many modern tourists have succumbed to the "Disney" atmosphere and believe these "characters" are there to entertain them (not rip them off, their actual and historical purpose). To a young male tourist or even native New Yorker downtown with his buds, what's more titillating than seeing a few gorgeous, topless and practically bottomless, body-painted women strolling around out in the open? C'mon, get real....these women know what they're doing; it's all about the Hamiltons and Jacksons. When they start showing up in front of the Met, or the 9/11 Museum? Oh, brother.
and religious fanatics of whatever stripe that collected there like rats in a sewer drain. I learned at an early age to keep my distance, but apparently many modern tourists have succumbed to the "Disney" atmosphere and believe these "characters" are there to entertain them (not rip them off, their actual and historical purpose). To a young male tourist or even native New Yorker downtown with his buds, what's more titillating than seeing a few gorgeous, topless and practically bottomless, body-painted women strolling around out in the open? C'mon, get real....these women know what they're doing; it's all about the Hamiltons and Jacksons. When they start showing up in front of the Met, or the 9/11 Museum? Oh, brother.
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Stonecutter,
The vision of them strolling to & fro' in front of the Met, Lincoln Center or the 9/11 location, or maybe the library, amuses me. Thanks for the vision.
The vision of them strolling to & fro' in front of the Met, Lincoln Center or the 9/11 location, or maybe the library, amuses me. Thanks for the vision.
Maybe they can start showing up in front of high schools. Think of how many high school boys would pay a fortune to have themselves taken pictures with.
NYC could pass a law that shirts or tops are required for both sexes, outside of beaches and parks.
If memory serves, that used to be the law. Men could not work in their yards with their shirts off, as it was assumed that without this law, some people would take it too far.
All or nothing.
If memory serves, that used to be the law. Men could not work in their yards with their shirts off, as it was assumed that without this law, some people would take it too far.
All or nothing.
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It has been legal to be topless in NYC for many years now, look it up
it's a shame thought, Shark, that so many women disregard this.
There seems to be some important information missing from this article. Where is the side of the performers/panhandlers in all this? From my experience, many of the individuals in costume (not the desnudas but the disney/muppet/superhero characters) are people of color who, upon hearing their English, have either recently immigrated or have been excluded from the public school system altogether. De Blasio's move to regulate seems to be an old favorite; focus on the effect and not the cause.
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What's the harm. Its the human body. We as a society need to stop seeing nudity as immoral.
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So we've gone 360 degrees -- back to the time when topless women were the norm in Times Square.
Quite frankly, I find the Disneyfied Times Square silly. Not because of the street clowns, but because all the shops are just chain stores that can be found in any number of malls across the United States. SOHO and points south are much more interesting experiences - at least for now.
Quite frankly, I find the Disneyfied Times Square silly. Not because of the street clowns, but because all the shops are just chain stores that can be found in any number of malls across the United States. SOHO and points south are much more interesting experiences - at least for now.
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Bill de Blasio is probably not the worst mayor ever, that's probably Lindsay, but he is by far the silliest.
Times Square has been a rathole for decades.
As a yellow cab diver in the mid-seventies it was routine to pick up pimps that would drive around checking on their girls.
I have to wonder about the places that the tourists come from to imagine why they are attracted to Times Square.
Why is anyone attracted to Manhattan at all?
It should be renamed Trumpalia for all the rich folk.
Times Square has been a rathole for decades.
As a yellow cab diver in the mid-seventies it was routine to pick up pimps that would drive around checking on their girls.
I have to wonder about the places that the tourists come from to imagine why they are attracted to Times Square.
Why is anyone attracted to Manhattan at all?
It should be renamed Trumpalia for all the rich folk.
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Those rich people you deride pay most of the taxes in the city.
If the Mayor addresses this in the same "very aggressive manner" as banning horse-drawn carriages, the desnudas have nothing to worry about.
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"Times Square's Topless Women Should Be Regulated, Mayor Says."
Yeah....if the Good Lord (for those who believe) wanted us to walk around naked we'd have been born that way.
Yeah....if the Good Lord (for those who believe) wanted us to walk around naked we'd have been born that way.
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My kids got to see an "Elmo" get busted in Times Square. Eye opening, to say the least.
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C'mon, isn't this part of what makes NYC so interesting?!
I WANT to see this stuff when I'm in town.
I WANT to see this stuff when I'm in town.
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Sure, but the harassment has to stop. It's not their existence that's the problem, it's their behavior.
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To call this vulgar panhandling "artistic expression" and the people wo do it "performing artists" is laughable. Who is defending their behavior on this basis?
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I'm a native NYer, and the only times I'm in Time Square are if I need for my work to visit a new office tower in that area, or am passing through on my way to the theatre. Note to out-of-town visitors: avoid Times Square. Nobody in NYC goes there - we all merely pass through, and then only when we have no choice.
There are many beautiful, cool places to visit in NYC. Times Square isn't one of them, and hasn't been for decades.
There are many beautiful, cool places to visit in NYC. Times Square isn't one of them, and hasn't been for decades.
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If you attend a Broadway show, you have to walk at Times Square.
One should check out front of the Staten Island Ferry Terminal. There are more hustlers there now of one sort or another that DOT has actually put up signs on all the doors stating that the ferry is free. Seems one tourist was recently sold a round trip ticket on the ferry for four hundred dollars.
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In the words of George Carlin, why should it be illegal to sell something that is perfectly okay to give away?
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Wouldn't that apply to all of Manhattan itself -- quite a few years ago?
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Pretty soon the Puritan Ethic will take over America and in protest, no one will wear any clothes ever except in cold weather. After that goes on for a while, people will look for people who DO wear clothes. Kind of like curing male pattern baldness by discovering the genetic mechanism for it and doing a gene replacement so that everyone has huge heads of beautiful hair. The most attractive men at that time will be the ones who shave it off and go bald.
Human nature, I guess...
Human nature, I guess...
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The amazing thing about Times Square is, descending in to the subway there is a wonderful escape!
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especially with the stench of urine!
What? A new form of decrepitness in Times Square? Wasn't times Square supposed to be cleaned up as a result of the decrepitness of the 1970's? Guess that effort failed.
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First, if how these women display themselves weren't "fit to print", then the NYT wouldn't have a picture of them in the article!
Second, it's is LEGAL for women, as well as men, to be topless in public in NYC. That's been the law for over 20 years.
Third, if it were illegal for these women or any costumed characters to do what they do in Times Square, the police would have arrested all of them already. If they all were "Aggressively" panhandling, they would be arrested, as some are. But they are not obviously, and it sounds like a lot of trumping up of the situation in search of regulation.
Funny, it takes some body-painted women to spur the "outrage' of some puritanical people to "clean up" Times Square "for the children". These same people better not take their children to any fine art museums lest they spy a nude woman in a painting -- I hear the Metropolitan Museum of Art is full of such women! (Gasp!)
Mayor deBLAHsio would be better served getting the homeless off the streets, whether in Times Square and other neighborhoods. I just spoke with two police officers in my neighborhood about their being able to deal with the homeless on the streets yesterday, and they told me that since deBLAHsio has been in office, their hands are more tied than ever and can't do anything to get the homeless off the streets except in dire conditions. Oh, but let's regulate legal toplessness! Worst. Mayor. Ever!
Second, it's is LEGAL for women, as well as men, to be topless in public in NYC. That's been the law for over 20 years.
Third, if it were illegal for these women or any costumed characters to do what they do in Times Square, the police would have arrested all of them already. If they all were "Aggressively" panhandling, they would be arrested, as some are. But they are not obviously, and it sounds like a lot of trumping up of the situation in search of regulation.
Funny, it takes some body-painted women to spur the "outrage' of some puritanical people to "clean up" Times Square "for the children". These same people better not take their children to any fine art museums lest they spy a nude woman in a painting -- I hear the Metropolitan Museum of Art is full of such women! (Gasp!)
Mayor deBLAHsio would be better served getting the homeless off the streets, whether in Times Square and other neighborhoods. I just spoke with two police officers in my neighborhood about their being able to deal with the homeless on the streets yesterday, and they told me that since deBLAHsio has been in office, their hands are more tied than ever and can't do anything to get the homeless off the streets except in dire conditions. Oh, but let's regulate legal toplessness! Worst. Mayor. Ever!
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Actually, there have been complaints and articles written about the people in the costumes too. Much more than the desnudas. Nice try to construct a strawman though.
"Toplessness is legal in New York" - theriein lies the source of the problem...
... if that is the case, any Woman can go Topless ANYWHERE in NYC... and I wouldn't be surprised if some Women will go Topless not only in Times Square, but all over NYC... even in your Neighborhood...
This shows the decadence of "Liberal" Societies.
There is never enough of "Freedom" ...
Freedom is a Priviledge - It is not a License -
...to do ANYTHING- you want to do ANYTIME - ANYWHERE...
... if that is the case, any Woman can go Topless ANYWHERE in NYC... and I wouldn't be surprised if some Women will go Topless not only in Times Square, but all over NYC... even in your Neighborhood...
This shows the decadence of "Liberal" Societies.
There is never enough of "Freedom" ...
Freedom is a Priviledge - It is not a License -
...to do ANYTHING- you want to do ANYTIME - ANYWHERE...
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Female breasts are a beautiful thing. Why suppress seeing them?
old doc,
I agree. It is so disappointing that so few women go around that way. This needs to be changed.
I agree. It is so disappointing that so few women go around that way. This needs to be changed.
This is aggressive panhandling, or, when these women rub up against people, it's assault. Plain and simple. Assault is not protected by the First Amendment. Moreover, there is no artistic expression here. These women do it to make money, not to make a statement.
Finally, thousands of New Yorkers work in Times Square or pass through it (or try to) on their way somewhere daily. It is not just tourists who are in Times Square. Those of us who are there for other reasons do not want to see this or have to dodge these women.
This should not be so hard to shut down, and if it is, that's a sad reflection on our society.
Finally, thousands of New Yorkers work in Times Square or pass through it (or try to) on their way somewhere daily. It is not just tourists who are in Times Square. Those of us who are there for other reasons do not want to see this or have to dodge these women.
This should not be so hard to shut down, and if it is, that's a sad reflection on our society.
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The more important issue is whether these desnudas are victims of human trafficking. Behind the nudity, smiles and the come-ons, who is actually profiting off of them? Hard to believe that there is not some pimp who is taking most or all.
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they are a tourist attraction!!
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First to all the " I am a New Yorker and avoid TSQ at all costs." I too am a New Yorker. I love TSQ, I go from time to time. It's an amazing dazzling light show, filled with people looking to be awed. Whenever I am there, aside from the spectacle, I make an effort to help tourists take something other than a selfie and offer to take a family shot. They love it. As for the characters, annoying, pushy yes, somethings beyond the pale, of course, but so what? I get stopped every block on the UWS by someone with an over fed dog or jingling cup asking for money. As for the "nude" women. Get a grip " New Yorkers" its just apart of the show. Its not illegal. No, I do not want paint on my suit (or in my case sport shirt) so be vigilant for their "painted assault", its all NYC. It's a tourist hub, filled with, now for the most part branded shops", safer, more electrifying and far less dangerous than years gone by. Enjoy. And yes $1.00 is a poor tip for almost any service, especially in NYC, be a sport, give them $3.
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How's it a "service", exactly?
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See the photo The Times used. The "service" is asking someone in costume to pose with you, your children, etc. You "pay" for it when you enter Disneyland with your admission price, characters thrown-in. In Times Sq. the "characters" are performing the service of performing in your photos.
Interesting that after decades of aggressive panhandling in Times Square, and after the famous "Naked Cowboy", who was a topless man, it is the topless women who are singled out. Misogyny is alive and well in our society. No surprise that this focus inspired overtly and covertly misogynistic comments. An example of the latter is the concern projected upon small children, as if breasts were a source of harm for them.
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It's not about the toplessness. It's about their aggressive panhandling. The "Naked" Cowboy was/is never aggressive. He stands and plays his guitar and will take a picture when approached.
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I was not accosted by any Provincetown street performers several years ago. We tipped the one we took a photo of. I have tipped subway "performers" that I have found amusing, but they did not beg me directly. Of course, if I was living in NY and experiencing this daily, it would be another thing entirely.
I believe the point of this article is not the "nakedness" factor, but the intimidation factor. Anyone with body paint should not be rubbing up against someone wearing clothing. These people are in business, as the mayor notes. It is also unpleasant when employees are on the street in front of their business accosting people to try and get them to come in and buy something. This is no different. I think de Blasio is thinking correctly on this.
Also, I'm glad I read this piece... I never really understood what to do. Are we supposed to tip if we just gawk at them? I've always felt that (internal) pressure around street performers. Good to know that I definitely should tip if I want a photo.
I believe the point of this article is not the "nakedness" factor, but the intimidation factor. Anyone with body paint should not be rubbing up against someone wearing clothing. These people are in business, as the mayor notes. It is also unpleasant when employees are on the street in front of their business accosting people to try and get them to come in and buy something. This is no different. I think de Blasio is thinking correctly on this.
Also, I'm glad I read this piece... I never really understood what to do. Are we supposed to tip if we just gawk at them? I've always felt that (internal) pressure around street performers. Good to know that I definitely should tip if I want a photo.
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Saw an American in Paris at 3:00pm this past Sunday. The theater is right on Times Square. The area is disgusting for all of the reasons mentioned in the article and more, such as the pan handlers and homeless who almost assault you. I do not have any confidence that Mr. de Blasio can or will clean it up, but, this is a severe blot on the image of what many believe is the world's most important City.
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I wonder what charges would be levied against a man walking around Times Square without a shirt on with his mammary glands (unenlarged by estrogen) on view for anyone to see? Why not legislate against estrogen?
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Blame Guiliani for his crusade to turn Times Square into Disney World North. I'm sure he didn't envision brawling cartoon characters and topless women.
Be careful what you wish for!
Be careful what you wish for!
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Does the public have a right to freedom FROM artistic expression?
And what about the religious preaching in Times Square? Is that another special problem too, because of freedom of religion?
And what of other public spaces?
Can they also stop the pan handling on the subway?
In the subway, once the car doors close, you are literally held hostage to demands for money, or religious proselytizing. I call it "transient kidnapping".
And yet, every once in a while, I hear some singing or quiet music in a subway car, and, well, I enjoy it and give them money.
Can't stay mad at everything I guess.
And what about the religious preaching in Times Square? Is that another special problem too, because of freedom of religion?
And what of other public spaces?
Can they also stop the pan handling on the subway?
In the subway, once the car doors close, you are literally held hostage to demands for money, or religious proselytizing. I call it "transient kidnapping".
And yet, every once in a while, I hear some singing or quiet music in a subway car, and, well, I enjoy it and give them money.
Can't stay mad at everything I guess.
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You are encouraging criminal activity?
Not everything, just naked women galavanting around. If people are uncomfortable going there and many pepole at that- we have a problem. It's not like they are singing and it's offensive, they are walking around in what most places would consider "indecent exposure". Don't let NYC warp your mind- this is not normal.
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I am a native New Yorker, Times square for me is place to avoid, they need to get rid of the costumed characters and the topless women, they have no place in any city. If someone can tell a single redeeming value I might change my mind, though I doubt it.
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You could probably get rid of the problem if you can find a way to get rid of the poor...
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The redeeming value of "street artists" is that they are earning an income legally and not stealing, drug dealing or some other socially less desirable manner. If a woman's breasts are so scary for Mayor DeBlasio, native New Yorkers, visitors or anyone else, perhaps that individual ought look inwardly at the issue rather than limit someone else's opportunities. Posing with one's breasts exposed (whether male or female) is not a criminal act nor ought it be limited by a Puritanical social agenda. Just sayin'...
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Again, it's not the toplessness. In fact, it's legal for women to be topless outside, in NYC. It's even stated as such in the article. The problem is their aggressive tactics to basically beg for money. Aggressive/predatory panhandling is illegal in NYC.
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I wonder whether the "red light" district in Amsterdam is "regulated." I know the women are required to get regular health examinations, but what about the activity itself? The Europeans are "cool" with bodies, nudity and sex, and children are no worse off for it. In our hypocritical, prudish culture here in the US, we are too quick to bow to interest groups like the Times Square businesses who contribute little more than overpriced "novelties" to the tourist game. The Mayor should not "cave"--as he usually does--to the interest groups who seek regulation. Their motivations have nothing to do with the well-being of the City. It's pure self-interest, driven, as usual, by money.
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I think the difference is the aggression of these characters as opposed to the actual nudity. If the women want to be topless and just hang around, nobody would object. But when they demand payment after accosting people on the street, that's offputting and annoying. Nobody should be put in that position just to walk down a public street.
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The scant attire wasn't mentioned as an issue in the article. It was the aggressive tactics used. Get rid of them. They are leeches.
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I've visited Amsterdam several times but never felt harassed. I think that's what the mayor and the people who work in and walk through Times Square would like to eliminate: harassment. Like someone approaching your car while it is at a stoplight and offering a newspaper or window washing you don't want, nonetheless providing the service you have refused, and then getting surly when you won't pay, in effect accusing you of reneging on a "contract" they had in mind, but to which you never agreed. If someone walks around with a sign stating "Photos - $5", I'm on their side, as much as I am on the side of a barber who expects you to pay what the price list says after he/she has completed the haircut. These people apparently do not immediately present themselves as entrepreneurs, but simply as someone walking down the street in, or out of, as it were, costume. Imagine if someone walked up to a mounted policeman and asked , "Ooh, ooh, Sir, can we take a picture with you and your horse, and then the officer demands money and chases the tourist who refuses to pay. Would that be OK?
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Times Square. Lipstick on a pig.
It was once interesting, albeit creepy. Now it is just plastic-stupid. Either way, I have studiously avoided it for decades. Why tourists go there has always baffled me. Those who insist on going there should expect to experience what it is. That's how this works. Tourists go there and expect to see outlandish stuff. Outlandish stuff is there waiting for them. What's so wrong with that? Capitalism. The tourists clearly want it. They pay for it. If they don't pay enough, they are called out for it.
It was once interesting, albeit creepy. Now it is just plastic-stupid. Either way, I have studiously avoided it for decades. Why tourists go there has always baffled me. Those who insist on going there should expect to experience what it is. That's how this works. Tourists go there and expect to see outlandish stuff. Outlandish stuff is there waiting for them. What's so wrong with that? Capitalism. The tourists clearly want it. They pay for it. If they don't pay enough, they are called out for it.
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It is mind-boggling that this article doesn't address that Times Square is filled with small children and THIS should be the reason desnudas should be illegal. It's not legal for 4-year olds to purchase porn magazines or see rated R movies or attend strip shows, so why is it legal for them to be exposed to this while being strolled around Manhattan. Isn't there some law protecting our children from being exposed to nudity in a public space? I have raised both my children in New York City and the constant exposure of lascivious advertisements that are indisputably soft porn in our taxi cabs, on top of our taxi cabs and on billboards all over the city has been endlessly frustrating. Please Mayor de Blasio, for the sake of our children, find a way to remove not only the desnudas, but all the soft-porn advertisements in Manhattan.
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I'm not concerned when my kids are exposed to the desnudas but I tell them to give Elmo and Spider Man a wide berth.
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Absolutely - think of the children, as the Reverend Mrs Lovejoy would wail. How appalling that in 2015 young humans should run the risk of being exposed to naked mammaries in a cold climate. I'm sure that had this ever happened to my generation when growing up, we should never have recovered from the shock.
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In NYS women are allowed to be topless anywhere that men are.
It is a issue of basic equality, and I'm sorry that that offends your delicate sensibilities.
Children have seen women's breasts before.
They'll be okay.
It is a issue of basic equality, and I'm sorry that that offends your delicate sensibilities.
Children have seen women's breasts before.
They'll be okay.
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Hustling is what Times Square is about. From the billboards to the restaurants to the characters--costumed and not. Removing that element selectively seems inauthentic.
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It seems to me that this is similar to the men and woman who use to, when your car was stopped, wash your clean windows and demanded payment. If we consider what these people are doing in Times Sq. as operating a business then it seems like any business they can be regulated and the issue of the First Amendment is a bit muted. So, as a business we can "zone them out to another
area". In the case of the carton characters I think that can be handled in another way. I am sure none of them have the permission of the copyright holders to use the images that they portray for purpose of financial gain. So, let's get the holders of the copyrights to bring on an action in Supreme NY to obtain a restraining order to prevent their use of their of the images. If they violate the restraining order they can be held in contempt and with proper notice and right to defend civilly arrested. This is no different when the City started to clean up Times Sq. in the late 70's. I know I defended some of the "tenants"
area". In the case of the carton characters I think that can be handled in another way. I am sure none of them have the permission of the copyright holders to use the images that they portray for purpose of financial gain. So, let's get the holders of the copyrights to bring on an action in Supreme NY to obtain a restraining order to prevent their use of their of the images. If they violate the restraining order they can be held in contempt and with proper notice and right to defend civilly arrested. This is no different when the City started to clean up Times Sq. in the late 70's. I know I defended some of the "tenants"
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'...this is similar to the men and woman who use to, when your car was stopped, wash your clean windows and demanded payment...'
The squeegee men are back.
Thanks, DiBlasio.
The squeegee men are back.
Thanks, DiBlasio.
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The squeegee men are back.
THis time there are women too!
THis time there are women too!
Larry David didn't have to look far for Seinfeld material.I wonder what the profile of a typical desnudas would be-in addition to the obvious that is.
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This is what the Mayor is concerned about? What about the "crusties", the sharp increase of the homeless and the mentally ill flooding the streets?
All along the east side you can see homeless people with hospital bracelets roaming the streets, occupying building lobbies and squating in front of stores. We keep hearing about his Tale of Two Cities but it seems like he is blind to both. He is seriously turning into the worse Mayor we've have in decades.
All along the east side you can see homeless people with hospital bracelets roaming the streets, occupying building lobbies and squating in front of stores. We keep hearing about his Tale of Two Cities but it seems like he is blind to both. He is seriously turning into the worse Mayor we've have in decades.
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If they expect payment, the desnudas and furries are running businesses.
Thus, the consumer has rights -- right to know about the product and its price before they buy.
It would usual, customary and not onerous for the people of the City of New York to require such vendors to post prices and product descriptions and to collect and remit sales tax. Such a situation would be fair to consumers and, by its market transparency, encourage price and service competition.
Even better -- Patent Pending -- This is an opportunity for an Uber-like solution -- a phone app that allows you to find reviews and ratings of your Times Square character, see their prices, find their location, and make payment (and sales tax) wirelessly.
Thus, the consumer has rights -- right to know about the product and its price before they buy.
It would usual, customary and not onerous for the people of the City of New York to require such vendors to post prices and product descriptions and to collect and remit sales tax. Such a situation would be fair to consumers and, by its market transparency, encourage price and service competition.
Even better -- Patent Pending -- This is an opportunity for an Uber-like solution -- a phone app that allows you to find reviews and ratings of your Times Square character, see their prices, find their location, and make payment (and sales tax) wirelessly.
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For those of us who remember the old New York, the costumed characters and desnudas are basically the same as the squeegy guys who used to harass people at the end of Lincoln Tunnel, the only difference is they look much cuter.
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' “We are going to look for every appropriate way to regulate all activity that involves either begging, or asking people for a contribution based on, you know, the opportunity to take a picture, for example.” '
So de Blasio wants to regulate politics and politicking? Well, that will be a first!
So de Blasio wants to regulate politics and politicking? Well, that will be a first!
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As a NYC resident, I think De Blasio should focus more on the homeless problem that is right in his own backyard. Mentally ill people are around the children's playgrounds and on the streets. There is one woman in particular who yells at the top of her lungs and spits phlegm at passersby daily. I'd rather have naked street performers who are trying to earn a living...
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Time Square is mostly for the tourists, I dont know anyone in the city who goes there voluntarily indulging in the sleaze which is on display in the streets.
regarding painted bodies I guess they are covered, or something like this, but making a business out of this, is a different story. The mayor is right. It would require a vendor license.
regarding painted bodies I guess they are covered, or something like this, but making a business out of this, is a different story. The mayor is right. It would require a vendor license.
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Like he said, another reason to avoid NYC, which rivals LA for the crown of creepiest city in USA.
Maybe the naked rabbi should move to Times Square. At least then you can have all the creeps in the same venue, so they're easier to avoid.
Maybe the naked rabbi should move to Times Square. At least then you can have all the creeps in the same venue, so they're easier to avoid.
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why should NY have a monopoly though?
Finally Bill de Blasio takes a stand! The naked women are just another even more tasteless group of panhandlers demanding money from tourists to take a photo of their bare breasts. Isn't there a law against nudity? The last time I checked paint isn't clothing.
We cleaned up Times Square years ago.
GET RID OF THEM!
As a native New Yorker I'm embarrassed by the aggressive nature of Times Square. Someone should tell these people no one wants to take a picture with an angry demanding Mickey Mouse who looks slightly off.
This is NYC not Disneyland!
We cleaned up Times Square years ago.
GET RID OF THEM!
As a native New Yorker I'm embarrassed by the aggressive nature of Times Square. Someone should tell these people no one wants to take a picture with an angry demanding Mickey Mouse who looks slightly off.
This is NYC not Disneyland!
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You guys brought Disneyland to Times Square and this is what happens. NY can't be the family friendly place everyone is trying to force it to be. It's like a bad relationship where a new girlfriend forces her boyfriend to be someone he isn't and gets frustrated when things don't change. Do you want Disneyland or New York City, make up your minds people.
The problem is the fact that these so called "artists" are DEMANDING payment. TIPS are voluntary contributions. You take a picture and say "thank you" with a few dollars. But you don't HAVE TO. Now if these "artists" are demanding payment, either up front or after the fact, they are now business people earning money by providing a service, and they need to start declaring their income and paying their taxes.
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The squeegee boys are back. Another form of panhandling. As the public tires of this stuff, they get more aggressive. As always, they complain that they are only trying to make a living. One thing is certain, it will get worse.
While nudity may not be criminal, panhandling is illegal.
Political correctness rules the day. These are artists? At the least, there should be large signs stating that the public is not required to pay them anything. i
While nudity may not be criminal, panhandling is illegal.
Political correctness rules the day. These are artists? At the least, there should be large signs stating that the public is not required to pay them anything. i
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Really. Does the mayor of NYC have nothing better to do with his time than to turn to the "problem" of desnudas? I suggest that he engage a group of these folks to take "selfies" with the tourists, and then use the proceeds to provide funding for homeless shelters.
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The bad old Times Square of lore refuses to die. Jam a whole bunch of tourists/rubes into a small area and see what happens.
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Why not simply place large sandwich board signs around Times Square stating that taking photos in a public square is FREE. That any tipping is choice and not mandatory. Then have some cops to maintain order.
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Perhaps the mayor ought to regulate the landlords in New York City first. The sleazy characters and their aggressive mercenary tactics and extortion merely give tourists a taste of what it's like to live here.
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All New York City beggars/panhandlers/hustlers wear costumes. These are just more abbreviated or colorful. Get rid of all of them, including the fake hardluck stories who work the Upper Westside, and including the ones who make the subway their shop. That is what a good mayor would do.
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I'm sure many of the people involved, from desnudas to Disney characters, have rent to pay and families to feed.
That they would go through all this just to make a living shows that they have the inventive and tenacious qualities that many employers seek.
Perhaps they should be offered opportunities and alternatives rather than hassled.
That they would go through all this just to make a living shows that they have the inventive and tenacious qualities that many employers seek.
Perhaps they should be offered opportunities and alternatives rather than hassled.
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Interesting that the issue of aggressive panhandling by costumed characters has been discussed for years now with no real effort by the City to find a solution, but whip out a few breasts and whammo - action! They should send the desnudas to Congress.
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WOW - I grew up in NE NJ, but haven't been in Times Square in a number of years. In the past it was, during some periods, pretty seedy. It seems to be a whole new low to have women clad only in bikini panties parading around. Sure doesn't make me want to revisit old NY.
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Really - naked breasts are a whole new low compared to the knives that the panhandlers in Times Square and 42nd Street used to pull out back in the late seventies? Yep, public violence is the American way, bur public nudity is unacceptable.
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Fine ...and get these crazy panhandlers off the subway trains while you're at it! Zero tolerance for panhandling – with or without a squeegee.
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Are there male panhadlers out there with painted genitals? I'm not sure if it's my imagination, but it does just seems like there are more panhandlers and homeless people on the streets these days.
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Many countries in Europe just plain outlaw any form of begging.
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it's technically illegal in New York City as well, but no one ever does anything. Just like cars doing 65mph on Park Avenue or running red lights. I haven't seen a speeding ticket handed out in NYC in over 20 years and I've never seen anyone arrested for panhandling. As far as I am concerned, what these women do is relatively harmless.
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That hasn't stopped it anywhere in Europe where I have been...and I've been all over Europe.
This is long overdue and the cleanup of Times Square can't come soon enough for everyone's safety.
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You can just walk around them. They are not harassing anyone.
If they rub up against you?
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Dear Mr. DeBlasio. We don't need or want more regulation. There's far too much already. Especially, regulation of such a small segment of NYC life. Today it's "desnudas"; tomorrow it might be sqeegees. And chances are if you impose new regulations in this area, they won't (and shouldn't) pass Constitutional muster anyway. If you don't like Times Square--and it is an awful place, to be avoided at all cost--stay away. If tourists want to "knock themselves out" there, gawking at all the ugly bright lights and buying the junk that it has to offer, that's their problem. How about fixing our infrastructure--paving our highways (instead of adding speed bumps and concrete islands everywhere) and giving our bridges a fresh coat of paint? How about doing more for the homeless? Addressing the serious lack of faith in the police? Doing something for all New Yorkers instead of responding to this or that interest group (which is what you often seem to do) might even raise your ratings in the polls.
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I can pretty much assure you that if a bare-chested man rubbed up against a woman he would be accused of sexual assault. Why is this not the same thing?
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That's not assault - it's ART! And it's protected by the 1st Amendment. Freedom of speech and expression, all of that stuff. :-D
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Pooja: Sorry, but physical contact crosses a line. Again: an almost fully naked man rubs up against a female pedestrian. Are you telling me that this would be seen as perfectly OK?
Another frustrating result of the Bloomberg program of creating "public spaces" in the city! Why is nudity legal in New York in situations like this? Let them go to the appropriate beaches or stages. Parading around with painted breasts is no "artictic" event by any definition but the perverse. And as for the costumed characters, why else are they there except to "do business" as well? NYC is one of the tourist meccas of the world. You don't see these things in London or Paris or Rome. We don't need it here! These individuals will ultimately harm the tourist industry of NYC.
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its not nudity. A man can walk down tbe street with no shirt on, therefore a woman can do the same. It is time for you to leave the puritan thoughts behind. In paris there are gypsys who ask you to hold their babies while they pick your pockets. In london there are africans selling bootleg football shirts and scarves. It's all part of the city life. Tourists should reas up on these things and be prepared for them. Otherwise as they say, a fool and his money is soon parted.
Watch Jimmy Kimmel and you will see the "antics" of the cartoon characters on Hollywood Boulevard. [Chewbacca makes regular commentaries on the state of the world.]
And, yes, Hollywood is a "tourist mecca."
And, yes, Hollywood is a "tourist mecca."
I'm 69 and I don't regard myself as either a puritan or a prude. I do respect the beliefs, attitudes and concerns of others even when I disagree mightily with them. It doesn't mean, however, that I deliberately behave contrary to those beliefs, attitudes, and concerns because I have the right to do so. Civility demands better of us. It isn't appropriate on any sidewalk in the city. The Mayor seems to claim that the argument might be made for artistic freedom. I would disagree since we do not ordinarily allow public spaces to be used for art without permit. As for your examples, have you ever been with family visiting as tourists in NYC? You'd see the same here as well, all of those behaviors equally illegal. Finally, the real smell test...would you bring your mother or wife or daughter to take a picture with one of these "desnudas"? If you wouldn't, stop being contrary. If you would, then guess what, we don't share the same values.
In the summer of 1977, as I walked regularly to and from Times Square, I was being pan-handled 24/7 by the young African American males in 42nd street. Sounds like little has changed. The USA - a country where almost everyone is on the make.
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I guess I'm just an old square but the way people are dressing nowadays
leaves a lot to be desired (literally). First it was the girls with belly buttons
showing (low rise pants); and now in times square we have bare breasted
women selling their boobies for photos. We don't exactly live in Samoa
where the culture took no notice of the top of a females body - There is
a seediness about the Times Square expo - I think it should be cleaned up.
We have enough eyesores in this city , we don't need to enhance it more.
leaves a lot to be desired (literally). First it was the girls with belly buttons
showing (low rise pants); and now in times square we have bare breasted
women selling their boobies for photos. We don't exactly live in Samoa
where the culture took no notice of the top of a females body - There is
a seediness about the Times Square expo - I think it should be cleaned up.
We have enough eyesores in this city , we don't need to enhance it more.
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What would you do if a stranger accosted your teenage daughter, threw his arm around her, took her photo then demanded money? Or a virtually nude woman approached your teenage son, rubbed up against him and did the same?
For all the commenters who think this is about "prudishness", I suggest you spend ten minutes walking through the Times Square pedestrian malls in broad daylight, then report back. The place is crawling with sleazebags and hustlers of both sexes. Enough!
http://www.amny.com/opinion/columnists/mike-vogel/nyc-times-square-chara...
For all the commenters who think this is about "prudishness", I suggest you spend ten minutes walking through the Times Square pedestrian malls in broad daylight, then report back. The place is crawling with sleazebags and hustlers of both sexes. Enough!
http://www.amny.com/opinion/columnists/mike-vogel/nyc-times-square-chara...
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Or a virtually nude woman approached your teenage son, rubbed up against him and did the same?
I would say good for him. More teenage boys need these type of experiences. I know I would have valued such experiences as a teenager.
I would say good for him. More teenage boys need these type of experiences. I know I would have valued such experiences as a teenager.
Topless, shmopless. What needs regulating is anyone who deliberately goes beyond the limits of civil behavior in public. This includes in particular standing in someone's way and refusing to get out of the way when asked.
No special regulation needs to depend on how a person is legally attired.
No special regulation needs to depend on how a person is legally attired.
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While you're at it, Mr Mayor, every time I go on the Highline there is more than one aggressive hustler in a saffron robe making visitors very unhappy.
And it used to be that loud drum playing in Washington Square was prohibited. It is now very common, and on The Highline too.
And it used to be that loud drum playing in Washington Square was prohibited. It is now very common, and on The Highline too.
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Since it's clear these characters and desnudas are engaged in business - while also constitutionally "expressing" themselves - NYC can reasonably impose consumer information regulations and require them to display a prominent decal or sign stating exactly how much a picture would cost. Just like hot dog vendors in Times Square have to do for their product. That would cut down on tourist misunderstandings, and maybe even dampen their appeal somewhat. If such a decal or sign is not prominently displayed, the character/desnuda can be shut down, fined or even arrested.
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Panhandling of any kind can no longer be tolerated, from anyone and in any city. If there is one group that the Police should profile it's this lot. It's not only the city that suffers from this unacceptable behavior. Portland, Oregon's downtown is overrun with filthy groups of panhandlers that will interrupt your conversation to demand money and use any sidewalk as a bathroom. It is repulsive. I have no sympathy for any clown who allows their child to be photographed with these base characters. If you want real culture in New York, it can be found anywhere but Time's Square. Let's see if DeBlasio actually does anything about this before the Governor steps in to handle it.
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This sounds like a reincarnation of the squeegemen who would force themselves on drivers stuck in traffic near the Lincoln or Holland tunnel. Asking for money is one thing; not taking "no" for an answer is another. I hope that Manhattan doesn't regress back to the early 90s, when even the Port Authority Bus Terminal was dangerous as the ACLU successfully defended the "rights" of its panhandlers under the First Amendment.
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DeBlasio can say what he wants, it's still legal for women to be publically topless in NYC. Hasn't he been to Pride? If he somehow does manage to ban the display of breasts, I hope someone reminds him that men have breasts (and, gasp, nipples!) as well, even if they are usually (but not always!) smaller than your average woman's breasts. If I can't show my breasts in public, a man shouldn't be able to either. But hey, this isn't Puritan New England, so I think my free nipple rights are safe.
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You're missing the point. This is about aggressive panhandling. If women want exercise their right to legally walk around topless, then fine, but don't ask me for money in the process.
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Once while on a video shoot in Washington Square Park, I politely asked a saxophonist if he could possibly move to another section so we could shoot. He angrily demanded $100, which we ended up paying him. The immediacy with which he jumped to the business transaction made me think this was a standard move to extort money for him. As someone you could not pay to listen to the saxophone, the idea that I should be forced to listen to whatever noise an artist deems necessary in a public space, constitutes a slippery interpretation of the First Amendment.
I also think noise pollution is the next frontier in terms of quality of life in the city. Demuffled motorcyclists (which wake up entire neighborhoods in the dead of night), overzealous horn honkers, music blasters.. these represent anti-social tendencies, and we should not have to endure them in ultra-dense cities like New York. Why won't the cops crack down on these nuisances?
I also think noise pollution is the next frontier in terms of quality of life in the city. Demuffled motorcyclists (which wake up entire neighborhoods in the dead of night), overzealous horn honkers, music blasters.. these represent anti-social tendencies, and we should not have to endure them in ultra-dense cities like New York. Why won't the cops crack down on these nuisances?
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When I take visitors around the city they don't ask about topless women. Instead they gape in disbelief at the huge mounds of garbage on the streets and the growing numbers of homeless people sleeping in front of the stores.
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The bright line is between voluntary and coercive interaction. The state should prohibit direct or implied coercion by costumed (or not) characters who are soliciting. Otherwise, the participants should be free to engage in a market transaction.
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Seems like the characters with clothes/costumes on are far more dangerous than these topless ladies. If tourists can't handle some breasts, let them go back to Podunk. In fact even if they can, let them go back. Who needs the kind of goofball tourists in Times Square anyway. The cool smart ones would never set foot there, or would hightail it once they saw what an utter bore it is.
TS in the 70's was far more interesting and dangerous. Hence why no one visited.
Bill, let the women show their breasts. Kids see far more on the internet. Let em get a taste of the real thing at least. Will get them off gazing at a screen.
TS in the 70's was far more interesting and dangerous. Hence why no one visited.
Bill, let the women show their breasts. Kids see far more on the internet. Let em get a taste of the real thing at least. Will get them off gazing at a screen.
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I was in NYC for a week and skipped Times Square altogether. Went to 4 great museums, a Broadway musical, rode the ferry at night, walked in Central Park, went to 9-11 waterfalls, walked the High Line, stayed in Brooklyn. Fantastic trip. So much to do and see. I love NY.
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Not sure why "tourists" are complaining, no one is forcing them to indulge in selfies with the local fauna. $20 doesn't sound unreasonable if one considers the cost of living and the length of the tourist season. When has Times Square not had panhandlers, beggars or hucksters?
What would NYC be without hucksters? Bet these same tourists would happily pay $20 to have selfies with Trump and can't think of many more predatory...
What would NYC be without hucksters? Bet these same tourists would happily pay $20 to have selfies with Trump and can't think of many more predatory...
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We are talking about harassing people for money, where if they want to pay to taken selfies with Donald Trump they would contribute with what they are comfortable with. What about they have a chart with the fees ...
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Yet another reason to avoid New York City, as if I needed one.
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True New Yorkers never set foot in TSQ. All you ever find there are tourists. And by the way, I'm glad you stay away. Our world class museums are probably too good for you.
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Visit Chicago instead much safer town.
Trust me, no one here is walking around wondering why you haven't visited.
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I find it interesting that a number of commenters have gotten their hackles up over supposed prudishness in regard to the bare breasted women in Times Square, as if it was a nudity issue. The article clearly states that topless women are not illegal in New York City and that the desnudas. as they are called and other costumed people are being aggressive with their demands for large tips for posing with tourists in photos and that these confrontations are upsetting people.
Obviously these commenters have not even read the article, which seems to me, to be important before making a comment on it.
Obviously these commenters have not even read the article, which seems to me, to be important before making a comment on it.
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So you're saying it's important to know the facts before forming an opinion. I can think of 17 people who would disagree.
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You don't believe the mayor, do you? The costumed characters have been aggressively panhandling for several years. Only now that the desnudas are in Times Square has the mayor acted. With the mayor's approval is tanking, seems like the right time to stand up against naked girls. That will fire up his base.
This is about aggressive panhandling, as the well-written story makes clear, yet the headline sensationalizes and misleads. Yes some are topless, some are women, some are bad musicians too. Nothing to do with the issue, unless you try to make it. Not what I'd expect from the Times.
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Get rid of The Naked Cowboy & Naked Cowgirl too.
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The Naked Cowboy and Cowgirl are not harassing people.
I was in New York City in late April for one of the last tapings of the David Letterman show, which was fun, and very professionally run. It was Jack Hanna's final appearance on Dave's show, and he said good byes even to line staff members. A very sweet guy.
My hotel stay that night was also in the theater district, after first staying in a hotel in on the eastern edge of Manhattan called Kip's Bay, which was very quiet. I realized the theater district was one of my least favorite parts of Manhattan because it had so many tourists, panhandlers, and homeless people in it. There is a definite sleazy vibe to major portions of it. To top it off, I had to wait over 20 minutes to use the bathroom in the Times Square McDonald's because it has exactly one toilet in it. (Yes, I had bought a meal there.) The line of men was about 12 deep, and there was young lady in ripped blue jeans sitting at the only table next to the entrance, and I think she was selling either drugs, or herself. I was never certain which one it was.
Times Square, even in April, had plenty of desnudas ladies in it. I didn't know it is legal for ladies to be topless in New York, but I later saw 3 streetwalkers whose clothing didn't leave much to the imagination, so it should have been obvious. It's a fun city, but I found it to be exhausting after a few hours out on the streets. Most residents were staring at their smart phone screens, so maybe they don't notice what a stranger sees.
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Nope, they see, but it is just part of every day life in the Big Apple. Aware but distant. Too, show me a place in the world these days where many people are not staring at a screen of one type or another.
Tourists come to the Big Apple because it's not like home.
Tourists come to the Big Apple because it's not like home.
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Times Square is exhausting, and the aggressive panhandling needs to stop. But the rest of the city is just always fantastic to me. I love it and really can't get enough of it.
You were in NYC and you bought a meal in McDonald's?
That's all we need to know about you.
That's all we need to know about you.
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It's not the nudity, it's the aggressive panhandling in addition to it.
I hate walking through Tines Square now. It's worse than the 70s. At least there weren't any pretensions.
I hate walking through Tines Square now. It's worse than the 70s. At least there weren't any pretensions.
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It's not even about the panhandling. It's about no recognized commercial entity regulating the enterprise (and enterprise it is) and getting a piece of the action. Do that (Uber might provide an economic model) and you've got a new business started up.
Men, everywhere, in every climate, and certainly all locals in our fair Berg, toss balls, chase them, doff their shirts down to the most immodestly exposed bare chests. However gravely or bravely their physic may appear. Who, seriously, cares?
Why, then, a woman's physic, still, however immodest, a crime? No. It is not. Enough.
Times Square is a market place. Mini's & Fake Mickeys.
Keep your hat & pants on. Dance the night away. Leave the bare naked breasts alone. Exposed, as may be, from any gender.
Why, then, a woman's physic, still, however immodest, a crime? No. It is not. Enough.
Times Square is a market place. Mini's & Fake Mickeys.
Keep your hat & pants on. Dance the night away. Leave the bare naked breasts alone. Exposed, as may be, from any gender.
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Article is quite clear: it's not the breasts (the article clearly states there's nothing illegal in that,) but the aggressive panhandling, of both the topless women and the cartoon characters.
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According to the article, it's the bare naked breasts who won't keep to themselves.
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This is not about nudity, sexual equality, art or freedom of expression, but harassment. No different than being hit on by hookers.
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Here's a hint for you tourists: there is nothing in Times Square that has anything to do with New York. Other than people who work in Times Square, you will never find a single New Yorker there. Times Square is a tourist trap, nothing more. Go anywhere else in the city, and you will see the real New York, and you can avoid the costumed idiots groping tourists for money.
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Amen. The last time I enjoyed the square was in the 70s, even as crazy and rough as it was.
There are plenty of other places that are far more interesting and real in the city.
There are plenty of other places that are far more interesting and real in the city.
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Right on, Dave, totally true!!
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I left the city nearly 40 years ago and haven't been to Times Square since. The last thing I remember about it was the aggressive photographers who took your picture and threatened to kill you if you didn't buy the picture and the sparkly pavement covered in crack vials.
This is definitely a step up.
This is definitely a step up.
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Times square seems like Disneyland these days--And this seems really Goofy.
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With the "Disneyfication" of Times Square, where are the big, "family-oriented" companies here? Not only are some people infringing their copyrights by posing as characters from their properties (Disney, Marvel, et al) - and making money doing so - but others are creating a less-than-family-friendly atmosphere. It is a sure bet that if Disney, Marvel and others got serious about this, their combined power would virtually assure that the governmental and law enforcement communities DID something about this.
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A tort claim from one of the franchise owners would have impact, but this would not be an assertion of state power over behavior.
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This was going to be my comment, as well, that those dressing like well known cartoon characters, etc. are infringing on these companies trademarks (not copyrights) for commercial gain. That IS illegal, not an expression of speech protected by the Constitution.
Since this is not being done on the internet, where the DMCA presides, the companies themselves don't have to be the ones to get serious about this. Even though it's the responsibility of trademark owners to defind their rights or lose them, in this case all the city would have to do is ask to see their licensing agreement with the trademark owners. Those who can't produce a contract granting them legal permission to do so, could then be arrested for breaking the law.
Since this is not being done on the internet, where the DMCA presides, the companies themselves don't have to be the ones to get serious about this. Even though it's the responsibility of trademark owners to defind their rights or lose them, in this case all the city would have to do is ask to see their licensing agreement with the trademark owners. Those who can't produce a contract granting them legal permission to do so, could then be arrested for breaking the law.
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Another sad story about the prudish, childish reactions to a womans breast, which as a vibrant 30 year old man, I'm obviously a huge fan of.
It seems the harshest reactions seem to be from men whose physical features are so lacking the bigger question is whether they have ever licked one or women who feel the need to project their own ultra conservative, turtle neck wearing values onto society without any regard to the freedom of others. Your rights end where mine begin.
Those breasts haven't hurt anyone!
When are we going to grow up as a country and not get all squeamish at the sight of a nipple?
It seems the harshest reactions seem to be from men whose physical features are so lacking the bigger question is whether they have ever licked one or women who feel the need to project their own ultra conservative, turtle neck wearing values onto society without any regard to the freedom of others. Your rights end where mine begin.
Those breasts haven't hurt anyone!
When are we going to grow up as a country and not get all squeamish at the sight of a nipple?
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The sight of a nipple doesn't seem to be the issue. The demand for 20 bucks is.
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Can we lay this subject to breast? It isn't the nudity, its about being nippled and dimed to death.
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Yes, the article was about Panhandling, but Your talk of the Prudish adults is certainly appreciated by this one anyway.
What do you expect from a Nation Of Childish Adults who still talk to their Own Children in a Childish manner? Or TV which will one moment Show a Neck Being Slit by a Knife and then minutes later Blur a Man's (Usually) Buttocks.
What do you expect from a Nation Of Childish Adults who still talk to their Own Children in a Childish manner? Or TV which will one moment Show a Neck Being Slit by a Knife and then minutes later Blur a Man's (Usually) Buttocks.
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I witnessed the same problem a couple of years ago on Hollywood Boulevard in Los Angeles, "characters" trolling for money from tourists. A real downer. I hope New York can find a way to cure this tacky and grabby behavior. No shortage of cheesiness in this world.
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Oh, puh-leeze.
Mayor, just pass a law requiring a very large (about 24 inch diameter) and very expensive medallion license, which must be worn around the neck on a chain on the front of the des...des...des what?
Say, $2000 for the license fee, and another $500 for the medallion, $750 a year for renewals. Failure to wear it on full frontal display in the proper regulated manner brings arrest. How about that?
That will bring in tax revenue, protect little kids from having to see strippers on parade in the world's greatest city, and, most importantly, undermine their business. After all, what is good government for anyway?
On second thought, never mind. Uber will just develop an app so that people can call for jigglers on their mobile phones and then they'll turn around and sue the city.
It's regrettable that one of global warming's many effects will be to extend the season for these clowns.
This is just stupid, inappropriate and exploitative. If and when I visit New York with my daughter, we are most definitely not going to Times Square.
Mayor, just pass a law requiring a very large (about 24 inch diameter) and very expensive medallion license, which must be worn around the neck on a chain on the front of the des...des...des what?
Say, $2000 for the license fee, and another $500 for the medallion, $750 a year for renewals. Failure to wear it on full frontal display in the proper regulated manner brings arrest. How about that?
That will bring in tax revenue, protect little kids from having to see strippers on parade in the world's greatest city, and, most importantly, undermine their business. After all, what is good government for anyway?
On second thought, never mind. Uber will just develop an app so that people can call for jigglers on their mobile phones and then they'll turn around and sue the city.
It's regrettable that one of global warming's many effects will be to extend the season for these clowns.
This is just stupid, inappropriate and exploitative. If and when I visit New York with my daughter, we are most definitely not going to Times Square.
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Hey! Do us a favor and don't come at all!
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I very much doubt that your taxing and licensing proposals would survive a court challenge.
Exorbitant taxing is a creepy, ugly, way to control a citizen's behavior.
Exorbitant taxing is a creepy, ugly, way to control a citizen's behavior.
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So why are politicians so enomored of the practice?
For years the costumed characters have been causing some problems (groping, coercing, fighting) and there was talk about regulating them. Now you've got painted female breasts and the din rises to a crescendo with folks fearing for "the children!" and generally carrying on like this heralds the end of civilization. (And no one even so much as mentions The Naked Cowboy). I'm more disturbed by the just how much crass commercialism is crammed into that corner of the world. It's too gross for words!
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Thank you R for pointing out that the story in the NY Times revealing the revealing has now lead to a crack down hustling in Times Square. I'd be far more impressed if our Mayor, who I generally support, had expressed his outrage over guys in Spiderman or Pluto costumes hustling for photo cash.
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So someone flashing kids is a crime, but some topless bimbo with painted breasts parading in front of a child is art?
The ladies have always charged for it so how is this new?
these costumed characters are out of control---every time I walk through there that weird elmo or goofy character is hassling me for money---sometimes they act drunk. the city needs to clean them out of there!
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So many European tourists laughing at this. Nude sunbathing in German city parks, nude beaches, lakes camp grounds. Many European countries are not opposed to nudity.
They come to NYC and see painted topless women from South American countries. They laugh they pay some money to pose with them to text back to friends in their cities back home
Yet the only ones upset it seems is the Manhattan Borough President and our Mayor makes a big deal of this to get popular poll numbers. As the article stated, many typical New Yorkers consider more important matters should be occupying time instead of giving police more reasons to have more attitude opportunities.
Mr Bratton: Please no choke holds on Stars and Stripes topless women or cartoon characters.
They come to NYC and see painted topless women from South American countries. They laugh they pay some money to pose with them to text back to friends in their cities back home
Yet the only ones upset it seems is the Manhattan Borough President and our Mayor makes a big deal of this to get popular poll numbers. As the article stated, many typical New Yorkers consider more important matters should be occupying time instead of giving police more reasons to have more attitude opportunities.
Mr Bratton: Please no choke holds on Stars and Stripes topless women or cartoon characters.
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timey,
What do nude beaches have to do with Times Square? You probably think you are smart and witty?
What do nude beaches have to do with Times Square? You probably think you are smart and witty?
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What he's saying is that Europeans laugh at this because they find it amusing that Americans with their Puritan-centered society norms have such a tough time accepting the human body exposed in public. It doesn't take a behavioral scientist to understand this concept.
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Nudity is no big deal to many tourists.
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In the old Times Square of the 70's, you would get stimulated but no sex was available, it seems little has changed.
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The Times Square of the 70s was terrifying compared to today.
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You must have been deaf and blind at the time. If I could get a dollar for every person, male or female who said to me "Wanna party?" or Watcha lookin for?" I'd have retired long before I did.
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In 1992 the New York Court of Appeals held that New York’s law prohibiting bare female breasts in public did not apply to bare female breasts in public in a non-commercial setting.
It certainly appears from the description of what is happening that the setting is commercial.
There would remain constitutional arguments of free speech and equal protection. While those arguments might be substantial with regard to the law prohibiting bare female breasts in public, the arguments would appear to have little merit against charges of harassment and aggressive panhandling.
It certainly appears from the description of what is happening that the setting is commercial.
There would remain constitutional arguments of free speech and equal protection. While those arguments might be substantial with regard to the law prohibiting bare female breasts in public, the arguments would appear to have little merit against charges of harassment and aggressive panhandling.
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