It is unfortunate that Hillary has trouble connecting with voters. If you see photos of her and her main competitor Bernie Sanders at the Iowa State Fair, Hillary looks untouched, like a prized statue at a museum. In contrast, Bernie was meeting the people of Iowa, his shirt was sweaty from walking around the fair. He also connected with the people during the soapbox event, which Hillary (and Trump) couldn't be bothered with.
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What's new? Nice words, sweet lies an so on. Hillary will enjoy running her campaign and travelling around the country until she's asked about her e-mails by someone, who's more than a reporter, and she'll have to answer. I hope she tells the truth or answers before she becomes the president, so she will not have to be impeached as her husband was.
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Soon, we will no longer be hearing of Hillary's presidential campaign. Soon, we will be notified Hillary has withdrawn from the campaign. Not soon, will anyone hear or know if Hillary has been indicted, her status, legal whereabouts, etc. I guess this is the way the Clinton construct eventually had to unravel, had to end..
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The more I see of HRC, the less I like her. She is as about as authentic as her polyester pantsuits. Jim Webb would be an excellent nominee. He's a legitimate moderate without the baggage, or the pantsuits.
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Let me get this straight. Amy Chozick is suggesting that Hillary Clinton is so popular, so mobbed at the Iowa State Fair, that she can't connect wit voters and therefore could lose?
Apparently voter popularity is a threat to success in the mind of a NYT political reporter. Counter-intuitive, I suppose, but also really, really stupid.
Apparently voter popularity is a threat to success in the mind of a NYT political reporter. Counter-intuitive, I suppose, but also really, really stupid.
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Unfortunately, while it's 2015, a lot hasn’t changed since 2008 about Hillary and her presidential campaign, despite numerous changes in plans and personnel around her. The tone-deafness. The bunker mentality. The tendency toward a state of denial.
I'm sorry to admit this, but It's the candidate, stupid.
Her operation in and approach to Iowa seem predicated on the notion that the e-mail issue is purely idle-chatter - a distraction - irrelevant to the real lives of real people.
And, who knows, it might be true and she may be right. But what Democrats are willing to say to Clinton’s face is different from what they are willing to say in private and what I stated above —what is weighing on their minds. .
If you were Clinton, you’d be sorely tempted to write this talk off, too, as yet more idle chatter. Or you could see it for what it is: a big flashing red warning sign—in Iowa and beyond.
I'm sorry to admit this, but It's the candidate, stupid.
Her operation in and approach to Iowa seem predicated on the notion that the e-mail issue is purely idle-chatter - a distraction - irrelevant to the real lives of real people.
And, who knows, it might be true and she may be right. But what Democrats are willing to say to Clinton’s face is different from what they are willing to say in private and what I stated above —what is weighing on their minds. .
If you were Clinton, you’d be sorely tempted to write this talk off, too, as yet more idle chatter. Or you could see it for what it is: a big flashing red warning sign—in Iowa and beyond.
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As a Sanders supporter, it's very interesting to read the complaints of Clinton supporters that Times coverage is biased against their candidate. At least their candidate gets covered.
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Hillary connect with "real" people? This psychopath can't even connect with herself and tell a straight story without lying how can she even begin to connect with "normal" people.......she can't.
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I think some of the commenters here are just venting their pre-conceived notions without any direct experience. I went to a "small" gathering (a couple of hundred people) in Charlotte last summer at which Hillary spoke, and she was both knowledgeable and charming, more so than I anticipated. I felt that she did connect with the people in that group, at least. And she has been talking about the issues consistently with specific proposals. Don't be lazy, you have to read behind the headlines which are all about the e-mail "scandalette"!
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You are entirely correct. This media image of Hillary is garbage. My comment, six hours after yours ran:
I've never met Hillary Clinton myself, but can remember speaking to a woman who had been part of a small group who met with her to talk about some local issues here in Rochester, New York, when she was one of our senators. I naturally asked the woman what Hillary was like.
"She's nothing like you read in the papers!"
"What do you mean?"
"She's so warm and friendly! She came around to each of us, shook hands, asked our names. She really has a nice smile, too. And then when we stated talking about our issues, she turned out to have done her homework-it was a really good discussion."
Obviously, I do not remember this conversation verbatim, but I remember the disconnect this woman discovered between the media concocted image she had of Senator Clinton and how the senator came across face to face.
Having just read JT from NC's comment, I feel glad to know that Ms. Clinton hasn't changed-still her warm gracious self.
Unfortunately, neither has the media garbage written about her.
Shame on you, NYT!
I've never met Hillary Clinton myself, but can remember speaking to a woman who had been part of a small group who met with her to talk about some local issues here in Rochester, New York, when she was one of our senators. I naturally asked the woman what Hillary was like.
"She's nothing like you read in the papers!"
"What do you mean?"
"She's so warm and friendly! She came around to each of us, shook hands, asked our names. She really has a nice smile, too. And then when we stated talking about our issues, she turned out to have done her homework-it was a really good discussion."
Obviously, I do not remember this conversation verbatim, but I remember the disconnect this woman discovered between the media concocted image she had of Senator Clinton and how the senator came across face to face.
Having just read JT from NC's comment, I feel glad to know that Ms. Clinton hasn't changed-still her warm gracious self.
Unfortunately, neither has the media garbage written about her.
Shame on you, NYT!
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I agree! My then teenage daughter and I worked on her 2000 Senate Campaign and afterward my daughter interned for her in her Manhattan office. She met Hillary and was not only impressed with her personally but with the work her Senate office did in the wake of the September 11 attacks. Hillary's office worked tirelessly, as did Hillary herself, to help average New Yorkers get back on their feet, not to mention the work she did on behalf of the first responders and the people who worked at Ground Zero and downtown. You need only look at her track record and accomplishments for our nation at home and abroad to know that she is hands down the most qualified to be President. Don't worry if you don't want to have a beer with her; we had a President like that from 2001-2009 and look what happened. I have no doubt that if Hillary Clinton is our next President she will continue her good work to make some phenominal changes in the quality of life as well as the security of Americans and our allies around the world.
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Don't know where her advisors are but my advice is lose the funeral home makeup,brush the lousy product out of your hair,wash it and pull it back so there's no more helmet head. Send your clothes back to the North Korean designer and just wear some simple American classics. Smile with your whole being,doing it with only the mouth is creepy. Give one final truthful account of the email and then tell reporters they'll be thrown out for asking about it ad nauseum. Tell people that you'll never have the wool pulled over your eyes in the way your husband did to you years ago and rethink your foundations usage of funds. Perhàps after all this I'll consider you!
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Celebrity gets in the way? So, criminality is no apparent problem for the NYT or the rest of liberal America. I've heard it said that Hillary could strangle puppies on live television and Ms Chozick and the rest of the national press would praise her for reducing the population of suffering, stray and unwanted animals.
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I can't say that she is not my favorite. Of course she's trying to be cute, her campaign works well. But her actions differ from her words. So it's hypocrisy. But the President should not have this trait!
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Maybe it isn't just perception that she is frosty and unapproachable.
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Connecting with Iowans is fine.
It both starts wit I - Iowa and ISIL,
and she is connected to both.
Some think of money and weapons to Aleppo,
and of her as "Mother of ISIL"
It both starts wit I - Iowa and ISIL,
and she is connected to both.
Some think of money and weapons to Aleppo,
and of her as "Mother of ISIL"
On these dog day August afternoons, there is nothing for the lazy Press to do but ponder, chin-rub, surmise, insinuate, speculate and belly-button gaze as they continue to pick over the dead bones of Hillary's "scandals". They've been feeding the public Clinton scandal stories for as long as Bill and Hill have been in the national spotlight. It will never end.
The Clintons sell newspapers, now struggling near-death, or at least the ones that still manage to survive. Good God, without Clinton/Obama/Clinton scandal "News Alerts", FOX "News" would be bereft of anything to opine on.
For you newbies to the game, this has gone on forever and will do so for as long as P.T. Barnum's declaration "There's a sucker born every minute" continues to hold water. Hillary was, is and will continue to be the one to beat for the nomination AND the election. And FOX "News" and all their minions will bombard us ad nauseum with career-ending stories about the Clintons until hell freezes over. And should that occur it's even money the Clintons will get blamed for that with a mocking "Climate Change" story thrown in for good measure.
The Illustrious Press have cried wolf for so long you'd think FOX and their ilk would have lost all credibility by now, but it just goes to show you how absolutely thick the skulls of the low-information FOX "News" audience is.
Keep up the great work, FOX. We Dems and the Clintons are laughing all the way to the White House. Again.
DD
Manhattan
The Clintons sell newspapers, now struggling near-death, or at least the ones that still manage to survive. Good God, without Clinton/Obama/Clinton scandal "News Alerts", FOX "News" would be bereft of anything to opine on.
For you newbies to the game, this has gone on forever and will do so for as long as P.T. Barnum's declaration "There's a sucker born every minute" continues to hold water. Hillary was, is and will continue to be the one to beat for the nomination AND the election. And FOX "News" and all their minions will bombard us ad nauseum with career-ending stories about the Clintons until hell freezes over. And should that occur it's even money the Clintons will get blamed for that with a mocking "Climate Change" story thrown in for good measure.
The Illustrious Press have cried wolf for so long you'd think FOX and their ilk would have lost all credibility by now, but it just goes to show you how absolutely thick the skulls of the low-information FOX "News" audience is.
Keep up the great work, FOX. We Dems and the Clintons are laughing all the way to the White House. Again.
DD
Manhattan
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I was never an Obama supporter, and he's proved to be a terrible President although a formidable personality. His animus towards opponents has stalled his ability to govern the economy. A Hillary Clinton presidency wouldn't make me nervous at all. I believe she would be able to get all sides involved and govern.
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That is it! Hillary Clinton is a celebrity. We do not need celebrities for presidency. After Benghazi criminal negligence, after her endless scandal with e-mails, after the leaked information that her foundation which received money from residents of Algeria, Kuwait, Qatar, Oman and United Arab Emirates i do not believe her transparency.
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For all of Hillary faults, there are many, nothing compares to George W Bush and company. I am a Bernie Sanders supporter. however, if Hillary is the nominee, I will vote for her. I always will remember how Republicans led us into war and brought down the economy. Obama definitely (and Hillary) did not cause the lost of thousands of American lives, trillions of dollars in debt and hundreds of men and women coming back wounded and suffering with PTSD. Americans do remember. Remember the 2008 US Iraq audit found that the occupation authority had lost track of reconstruction funds totalling nearly $9 billion. I believe Hillary knows how to lead and will be one of our better presidents.
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Bernie Sanders is the right man for our time. None of the other candidates are even willing to talk about the issues.
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Old Bernie will be 75 when the new president is sworn in. At some point, that becomes an issue. Sorry, but that puts him at 79 by the end of his first term. People won't vote for that. Health risk is just to high. Your voting for your VP at that point.
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Don't tell that to the corporate controlled media.The oligarchs on Wall St who control the media and government don't want a candidate of the people they want another puppet in an empty suit or bustle in the Whitehouse..
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That would still make him younger than Ronnie Raygun, who at that age had his senses about him. No to mention that even on a very bad day, Bernie has more cognitive function than Reagan had on his best.
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“A lot of Americans don’t appreciate how innovative and forward-looking this country’s farmers are,” Mrs. Clinton said when she and Mr. Harkin toured the Agriculture Building … " Yup, Monsanto and it's gmo corn are king in Iowa … which is fine with Hillary because she and Monsanto are connected at the hip. And so are Monsanto and Harkin … Make no mistake a vote for Hillary is a vote for Monsanto and a vote against transparency as far a s what is in our food. http://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cycle=2010&cid=N0...
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Hillary Clinton was probably the greatest Secretary of State this country has ever had. I know this because Trump says she was the worst, and he is usually 100% wrong.
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I don't much care for Trump, or his pronouncements, bit air miles does not equal greatness in judging the record of Sec state. Tell me one thing, one, that she accomplished?
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ejzim writes, "She's [HRC] the only candidate who could take office tomorrow, and be perfectly well prepared."
Better copyright that one, ejzim.
Bingo.
Better copyright that one, ejzim.
Bingo.
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Regarding Mrs. Clinton in Iowa today:
Hillary will employ histrionics that some honest people may confuse with sincere emotions. There's nothing sincere about this woman, her family, just as there's nothing charitable about their foundation.
It's time some brave sole steps forward and, at risk to his or her career, expose this woman for what she is. We need only one person to pull back the curtain and expose the woman Samantha Power called a "Monster."
That she is considered by a witless, feckless media the Democratic Party's presumptive heiress to the White House is a terrible, terrible fraud, being perpetrated on the American people—Left, Center, Right and none-of-the-above.
Hillary will employ histrionics that some honest people may confuse with sincere emotions. There's nothing sincere about this woman, her family, just as there's nothing charitable about their foundation.
It's time some brave sole steps forward and, at risk to his or her career, expose this woman for what she is. We need only one person to pull back the curtain and expose the woman Samantha Power called a "Monster."
That she is considered by a witless, feckless media the Democratic Party's presumptive heiress to the White House is a terrible, terrible fraud, being perpetrated on the American people—Left, Center, Right and none-of-the-above.
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She just needs to go on "Laugh In" and say, with mischievous glee, "Sock it to me!"
Hey, it helped make another shallow stiff a two term President. (OK, technically, a one and one half term President. Hillary should accomplish as much.)
Hey, it helped make another shallow stiff a two term President. (OK, technically, a one and one half term President. Hillary should accomplish as much.)
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Hillary should retire and spend more time with her money. Before you know it they're all grown up and hiding in some tax free shelter overseas.
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On my back porch, shining in the bright afternoon summer sun, there is this curious shell. I'm not sure exactly what it is. Looks like some sort of bug that escaped it's hard exoskeleton leaving an exact replica of all its features minus the insides. The eyes, mouth, body, all so intricately, beautifully detailed you could mistake it for the real thing if you didn't look closely. But all it is as an empty shell. Some terrible force eviscerated the inner being and left behind this empty facade of life. I'm sure it took time. Once it must have been a vibrant living thing, but slowly, relentlessly, that force ate away at the innards until it left and all that remained is this frozen facsimile of life. Even if I picture it in a pant-suit and paste a smile on the mouth it's still a frozen shell.
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Highly original. But don't sell your exoskeleton completely short. It's still able to compliment Iowa corn farmers--or maybe it's Iowa corn--for being so downright innovative.
Let me get this straight, so the throngs of people who came to see Hillary at the state fair were just interested in seeing a celebrity? You intentionally undervalue her popularity. I don't know if that's the paper's bias but how in the world did you manage to spin an indisputably positive event into a negative story.
And let's imagine the reverse. If throngs of people weren't cheering her on and following her,the NYT would have claimed she couldn't draw a crowd.
This woman can't win. Starting to feel bad for her.
And let's imagine the reverse. If throngs of people weren't cheering her on and following her,the NYT would have claimed she couldn't draw a crowd.
This woman can't win. Starting to feel bad for her.
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Actually the candidates come because there is a guaranteed throng of people. People do not go to the Iowa State Fair to see politicians.
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What are in all of these elusive but apparently sneaky emails of Mrs. Clinton (which also apparently may have been more secure than hacked cyberattacked official government servers)? The NYTimes has certainly contributed to the mysterious and clandestine air to an email account everyone who interacted with it (possibly even a reporter or two for the NYT) knew was her private email. No one in the government ever told her shut it down. No one in the government was unaware of it -- if they ever sent or received email from her. And the so called top secret or classified emails we're told were found in what she has turned over were not marked or identified as such at the time. Here we go again; no there, there.
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I agree it's ridiculous. Who performs clandestine activity out in the open for 4 years with nobody knowing. Every one of the 55,000 or so mails that went to or from her had a plain as day private e-mail address attached to it.
Either the people who sent or received mails to or from her didn't care, or they sat on the information so they could play gotcha with her in case she ran for President.
Either the people who sent or received mails to or from her didn't care, or they sat on the information so they could play gotcha with her in case she ran for President.
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fran
I can't tell whether you are being obtuse, or you really don't get it. The concern with the private email and server is obviously NOT that the people who sent emails to, and received emails from, that address, knew that she used it. The issue is that by using that address and server, and then NOT complying with policies that required those emails to be made available to the State Dept, Hillary was able to avoid government recordkeeping and open government rules, so as to, among other things, evade FOIA.
Then, when she was asked to turn over what she should have provided in the first instance, she and her employees alone decided what was personal, and what was work. She then deleted what she says were personal items, and had the server scrubbed.
If GWB did this, Dems would be up in arms. If a private sector CEO did this, that CEO would be jailed for contempt. But here among the HRC fans, it's just another vast, right-wing conspiracy. But that's OK; naive people have the right to vote too.
I can't tell whether you are being obtuse, or you really don't get it. The concern with the private email and server is obviously NOT that the people who sent emails to, and received emails from, that address, knew that she used it. The issue is that by using that address and server, and then NOT complying with policies that required those emails to be made available to the State Dept, Hillary was able to avoid government recordkeeping and open government rules, so as to, among other things, evade FOIA.
Then, when she was asked to turn over what she should have provided in the first instance, she and her employees alone decided what was personal, and what was work. She then deleted what she says were personal items, and had the server scrubbed.
If GWB did this, Dems would be up in arms. If a private sector CEO did this, that CEO would be jailed for contempt. But here among the HRC fans, it's just another vast, right-wing conspiracy. But that's OK; naive people have the right to vote too.
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Bush did do this, as did his Secretary of State Colin Powell, and nobody cared. Not a single person.
So your statement "if Bush did this ... " is 100% wrong.
My point is that if she was doing this for 4 years and it was so bad and hundreds of top intelligence and State Dept officials ( many hired under Bush ) knew this, why did nobody say anything ?
It's not like she was e-mailing neophytes. These are top government people from both political parties.
There is no way that she was skirting some requirement without some predetermined exemption. No way. You don't perform some secret activity openly with hundreds of people in the intelligence community, it makes zero sense.
Now if she used a .gov address and a private server I could see your point, but by using a private address, she was openly saying to everyone she communicated with "this is a private e-mail address". This is not clandestine activity.
This is obviously a matter of going back in time and applying new standards to old behavior.
So your statement "if Bush did this ... " is 100% wrong.
My point is that if she was doing this for 4 years and it was so bad and hundreds of top intelligence and State Dept officials ( many hired under Bush ) knew this, why did nobody say anything ?
It's not like she was e-mailing neophytes. These are top government people from both political parties.
There is no way that she was skirting some requirement without some predetermined exemption. No way. You don't perform some secret activity openly with hundreds of people in the intelligence community, it makes zero sense.
Now if she used a .gov address and a private server I could see your point, but by using a private address, she was openly saying to everyone she communicated with "this is a private e-mail address". This is not clandestine activity.
This is obviously a matter of going back in time and applying new standards to old behavior.
Oh yes she is so like the average person from Iowa except the Clinton's have forty million or whatever.
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At least she was average once in her life. Bush is the grandson of a Senator, and the son and brother of Presidents but tries to pass himself off as a Washington outsider.
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So, the Republican mantra of pull yourselves up by your bootstraps as in working hard, succeeding and achieving the American Dream only applies to people not named Clinton?
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Deb, you are so right! The double standard is alive and well in the USA.
We cry and hue over whether Clinton ate from a plate of chicken wings and emotionally connected with sculptors of butter cows as we ignore the fact that the Republican Party, by federal judicial fiat, wants to legally commit women and girls to surrender their lives for their fetuses if necessary.
Unbelievable.
Unbelievable.
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This is false. Every Republican I know of would permit abortion to save the mother's life.
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Wine Country Dude - You don't know some of the Republican candidates for President. Did you pay attention to the most recent debate?
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You better check with the Republican Presidential candidates on that....
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Maybe it was celebrity that got in the way, or maybe it was the endless lies; those couldn't have helped.
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Maybe it was celebrity that got in the way, or maybe it was the endless lies; those couldn't have helped.
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I'm going with the lies
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I'm going with the lies
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So if you just throw in the words "endless lies" without providing any evidence for them beyond a normal human slip of occasional exaggeration then we should all just believe it solely on the basis of your having typed it into a comment section?
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Deb: I'm still waiting to hear that kind of evidence from people who toss around lines like "accomplished woman" and "feminist" and "role model" when praising HRC. Sauce for the goose, etc.
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Hillary's just not likable. She reminds me of a tired, mildly annoyed fifth grade teacher lecturing her misbehaving class at the end of a very long day. I'm always reading that she is warm and engaging with her close friends, but most of us will only see her on television, usually making a speech or answering some media questions. And on television she's just awful. That joke about Snap Chat the other day was painful. Please. Someone. Get her a speech coach.
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So likability is the most important quality in a President? After all, you personally are going to hang out with the Pres on a regular basis. Please!!!!!
And lest you forget, W was considered likable and look where that got us.
And lest you forget, W was considered likable and look where that got us.
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Please. Someone. Get her a speech coach.
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Too late
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Too late
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And if she went to one you would then complain that she was speaking down to the voters or not appearing like one of the people....
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On-the-Job Learning is very difficult -- or impossible -- if you just got elected president as the myriad dangerous decisions by the fatally inexperienced President Obama proves. The same holds true for 1) Donald Trump, 2) Hillary Clinton 3) Bernie Sanders 4) Senators Cruz, Paul, Rubio and the rest. Only those who have EXECUTIVE experience of a large state seem capable of recruiting, vetting, hiring, and holding to standards all staff members.
Http://www.periodictablet.com
Http://www.periodictablet.com
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Back in 1996, a reminder, this dear Lady, during the Bosnian war, when the Serbs were slaughtering Muslims, ran from sniper fire as she deplaned, along with daughter Chelsea ...
Can't make this stuff up.
Excerpt and Link -
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday she made a mistake when she claimed she had come under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996 while she was first lady.
In a speech in Washington and in several interviews last week Clinton described how she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed in Tuzla, Bosnia.
Several news outlets disputed the claim and a video of the trip, showed Clinton walking from the plane, accompanied by her daughter. They were greeted by a young girl in a small ceremony on the tarmac and there was no sign of tension or any danger.
"I did make a mistake in talking about it, you know, the last time and recently," Clinton told reporters in Pennsylvania where she was campaigning before the state's April 22 primary. She said she had a "different memory" about the landing.
"So I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I'm human, which, you know, for some people, is a revelation."
"This is really about what policy experience we have and who's ready to be commander in chief. And I'm happy to put my experience up against Senator Obama's any day."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/26/us-usa-politics-clinton-idUSN2...
Can't make this stuff up.
Excerpt and Link -
Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton said on Tuesday she made a mistake when she claimed she had come under sniper fire during a trip to Bosnia in 1996 while she was first lady.
In a speech in Washington and in several interviews last week Clinton described how she and her daughter, Chelsea, ran for cover under hostile fire shortly after her plane landed in Tuzla, Bosnia.
Several news outlets disputed the claim and a video of the trip, showed Clinton walking from the plane, accompanied by her daughter. They were greeted by a young girl in a small ceremony on the tarmac and there was no sign of tension or any danger.
"I did make a mistake in talking about it, you know, the last time and recently," Clinton told reporters in Pennsylvania where she was campaigning before the state's April 22 primary. She said she had a "different memory" about the landing.
"So I made a mistake. That happens. It proves I'm human, which, you know, for some people, is a revelation."
"This is really about what policy experience we have and who's ready to be commander in chief. And I'm happy to put my experience up against Senator Obama's any day."
http://www.reuters.com/article/2008/03/26/us-usa-politics-clinton-idUSN2...
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You can't make this stuff up. Well, Lindsey Graham makes it up, but clowns will do that. She's the only candidate who could take office tomorrow, and be perfectly well prepared.
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Yes, it's so easy to mistake being greeted by a young girl with running for your life under sniper fire. I'm sure many people have the same experience. Of course most of them are muttering about it under their breath on the subway, not running for president of the U.S., but hey, from what I've seen, they're equally qualified.
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Meanwhile, I hope Senator Sanders receives Secret Service protection very soon! And I doubt it would affect his connecting with crowds to the same extent Ms Chozick claims here for Hillary.
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The democrat candidates reflect the party in general, old and worn out. The ideas are right out of the 1900's, while we are in the 21st century. The minority voters are not going to flock to either Hillary or Sanders. The 2016 election belongs to the republicans.
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Hillary Clinton is surrounded by lots of non-regular peeps, so she can't get up close and personal with the riffraff.
Tom Harkin endorses her, unlike 2008, when he stated his clear preference for her husband.
Hillary declares, "A lot of Americans don’t appreciate how innovative and forward-looking this country’s farmers are," in the presence of presumably innovative and forward-looking corn and potatoes.
She states that being a grandmother "is the best," that she loves a butter sculpture, and is seen escorting a lemonade and a pork chop on a stick to a plane destined for Martha's Vineyard.
Additional poll stats, assorted meaningless ruminations from pol hacks and plebes, and results of a journalist's personal applause meter are provided. Lastly, Clinton's proxies refuse to say whether she'd consumed any of the available chicken wings.
~1,147 words to give us that? The good Grey Lady's QC seems in need of recalibration.
Tom Harkin endorses her, unlike 2008, when he stated his clear preference for her husband.
Hillary declares, "A lot of Americans don’t appreciate how innovative and forward-looking this country’s farmers are," in the presence of presumably innovative and forward-looking corn and potatoes.
She states that being a grandmother "is the best," that she loves a butter sculpture, and is seen escorting a lemonade and a pork chop on a stick to a plane destined for Martha's Vineyard.
Additional poll stats, assorted meaningless ruminations from pol hacks and plebes, and results of a journalist's personal applause meter are provided. Lastly, Clinton's proxies refuse to say whether she'd consumed any of the available chicken wings.
~1,147 words to give us that? The good Grey Lady's QC seems in need of recalibration.
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Dear Penn:
You nailed it about the Grey Lady's editorial ministration, but I'm shocked that they published your sharp criticism. What a fall for the newspaper of record which only prints all the news that's fit to print!
You nailed it about the Grey Lady's editorial ministration, but I'm shocked that they published your sharp criticism. What a fall for the newspaper of record which only prints all the news that's fit to print!
is it celebrity getting in the way or her unabashed dishonesty?
look, I know these comments are a Dem stronghold, but how about putting country ahead of party.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-17/bob-woodward-compares-clinton-e...
Hillary Clinton has tried to destroy evidence, likely to cover up illegal activity connected with, yes, Benghazi - and no, Dems - Benghazi is NOT a non-issue, it is vital to understanding the American Regime Change machine and the neocon deep state.
Hillary needs to be prosecuted for various incidents.
You and I would have been.
look, I know these comments are a Dem stronghold, but how about putting country ahead of party.
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2015-08-17/bob-woodward-compares-clinton-e...
Hillary Clinton has tried to destroy evidence, likely to cover up illegal activity connected with, yes, Benghazi - and no, Dems - Benghazi is NOT a non-issue, it is vital to understanding the American Regime Change machine and the neocon deep state.
Hillary needs to be prosecuted for various incidents.
You and I would have been.
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How about taking off the partisanship blinders and upholding due process?
You write, "Hillary Clinton has tried to destroy evidence." How do you know this? Even the investigative bodies have yet to discover evidence to uphold such an accusation.
You also write, "...likely to cover up illegal activity." Again, how do you know this?
Then, unsurprisingly, you charge, "Hillary needs to be prosecuted for various incidents." According to who? What are the incidents? Which specific laws has she broken, and where is the evidence she broke them?
Wow. The mindset that permits itself to be judge and jury, and balks at being questioned for its lack of evidence, has a very unhealthy obsession with Clinton. Take a breath already.
You write, "Hillary Clinton has tried to destroy evidence." How do you know this? Even the investigative bodies have yet to discover evidence to uphold such an accusation.
You also write, "...likely to cover up illegal activity." Again, how do you know this?
Then, unsurprisingly, you charge, "Hillary needs to be prosecuted for various incidents." According to who? What are the incidents? Which specific laws has she broken, and where is the evidence she broke them?
Wow. The mindset that permits itself to be judge and jury, and balks at being questioned for its lack of evidence, has a very unhealthy obsession with Clinton. Take a breath already.
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You make an important point, that should be considered by all voters, of all parties. It is important for citizens to put country before party; which is why I am an Independent.
It is highly unlikely that the Republican Party, in its current form and with its current extremism, will put forward a national candidate that I would vote for. So I am forced to pay attention to the Democratic candidates, but I am not hopeful. I would have far preferred that Bernie Sanders, who I voted for many times when living in VT, run as what he is, an Independent. He does not want to be accused of being a "spoiler". Well, for me, if HRC gets the nomination, then she is "the spoiler" and I will not, under any circumstances, vote for her. So for those of us who put the country before party, he could have run as an Independent, without worrying about the Democrats.
Having voted for a true public servant in two past elections, Ralph Nader, I am totally immune to the Democrats whining (for another 50 years) about "splitting the vote " which out of arrogance and hubris, they think they own. Or the yammering about Nader losing the election for Gore, who won, but didn't fight for his win, and who might still have been drawn into a war on Iraq by his VP, the former Senator from Israel, Joe Lieberman.
My message to the Democrats is, give us a candidate worth voting for, not she whose sense of entitlement, lust for power & privilege, and ownership by the corporate class, rules it out.
It is highly unlikely that the Republican Party, in its current form and with its current extremism, will put forward a national candidate that I would vote for. So I am forced to pay attention to the Democratic candidates, but I am not hopeful. I would have far preferred that Bernie Sanders, who I voted for many times when living in VT, run as what he is, an Independent. He does not want to be accused of being a "spoiler". Well, for me, if HRC gets the nomination, then she is "the spoiler" and I will not, under any circumstances, vote for her. So for those of us who put the country before party, he could have run as an Independent, without worrying about the Democrats.
Having voted for a true public servant in two past elections, Ralph Nader, I am totally immune to the Democrats whining (for another 50 years) about "splitting the vote " which out of arrogance and hubris, they think they own. Or the yammering about Nader losing the election for Gore, who won, but didn't fight for his win, and who might still have been drawn into a war on Iraq by his VP, the former Senator from Israel, Joe Lieberman.
My message to the Democrats is, give us a candidate worth voting for, not she whose sense of entitlement, lust for power & privilege, and ownership by the corporate class, rules it out.
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Frank: this is a public forum, not a court of law. The indictment, if it comes, will satisfy your demand for particularity. In the meantime, we'll wait patiently for the indictment of W and Cheney for "war crimes". I mean, that is coming, right? Your people have seemed so certain about it now for, what, 7 years or more?
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The low educational standing of the US certainly is manifested in its hero worship of Trump, to whom the label of "celebrity" truly belongs.
For Americans to demand an outsider in politics is tantamount to my being, say, a veterinarian and presenting myself to Trump as a viable candidate as an accountant for one of his hotels. What would be my qualifications? That I am outside the field of accountancy? Absurd.
Tried-and-true, battle-scarred politicians, like Clinton, Sanders, Bush, Pataki, and Kasich are logical choices, primarily because they have endured the trial-and-error that goes with being a public servant; the learning curve for them is that much lower than for Trump, Carson, Fiorina, and other outsiders. Even Ted Cruz, a lawyer, is more qualified for the presidency than Trump et al., especially Carson. His rise to the near top is a real mystery.
Many of us across the pond feel that the American President and Congress could get things done if not for a small group of religious zealots who, with help from how voting districts are distributed, have more power than what they should have.
Watching the tail wag the dog is interesting, to say the least.
For Americans to demand an outsider in politics is tantamount to my being, say, a veterinarian and presenting myself to Trump as a viable candidate as an accountant for one of his hotels. What would be my qualifications? That I am outside the field of accountancy? Absurd.
Tried-and-true, battle-scarred politicians, like Clinton, Sanders, Bush, Pataki, and Kasich are logical choices, primarily because they have endured the trial-and-error that goes with being a public servant; the learning curve for them is that much lower than for Trump, Carson, Fiorina, and other outsiders. Even Ted Cruz, a lawyer, is more qualified for the presidency than Trump et al., especially Carson. His rise to the near top is a real mystery.
Many of us across the pond feel that the American President and Congress could get things done if not for a small group of religious zealots who, with help from how voting districts are distributed, have more power than what they should have.
Watching the tail wag the dog is interesting, to say the least.
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Yet I bet you had no problem supporting a community organizer as leader of the free world, huh?
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I can't speak for Ms. Jones, but I find it odd that Republicans sneer Clinton's supposed inability to relate to Iowans while also sneering Obama for being a community organizer, i.e. being in the exact right position by which to connect with the public.
Besides, without community organizers, who will clean up the colossal messes Republicans insist on making?
Besides, without community organizers, who will clean up the colossal messes Republicans insist on making?
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86number44 - A community organizer bring people together and helps them work for their common good, add to that some expertise in constitutional law and some time spent in D.C. as a representative and those are very good qualifications for a President.
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Oh Amy, don't be such a silly girl. Did you see her speech in Iowa the other day? She had the crowd on their feet screaming and chanting her name. None of the other candidates got that reaction. Bernie certainly didn't. She's a huge hit with Iowan's.
The coverage from the NYTimes has been so anti Hillary that we have been using the hashtage #cancelNewYorkTimes. It is true that we have not been that active lately with that campaign, but we have recently been talking about starting up again. I hear that there is soon to be a shake up at the times. Is this true?
The coverage from the NYTimes has been so anti Hillary that we have been using the hashtage #cancelNewYorkTimes. It is true that we have not been that active lately with that campaign, but we have recently been talking about starting up again. I hear that there is soon to be a shake up at the times. Is this true?
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@Teresa—Right on!
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A "crowd on their feet screaming and chanting her name" only means that the massive amounts of animal fat and cholesterol consumed by the crowd at the fair have gone straight to their brains.
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Every time I see Hillary Clinton, and the rest of the pack, both parties, I'm reminded of the useless idiots in the Monty Pyton series.
With the exception of Bernie Sanders, and I'm not too sure of him, the current band of charlatans running for the highest office in the land, are downright embarrassing.
Perhaps there is yet an unknown savior, out there, who is deliberating running (Elizabeth Warren ??), if not the truly scary thing is, one of these colossal idiots will become our next President.
We need to wake up, really soon ...
With the exception of Bernie Sanders, and I'm not too sure of him, the current band of charlatans running for the highest office in the land, are downright embarrassing.
Perhaps there is yet an unknown savior, out there, who is deliberating running (Elizabeth Warren ??), if not the truly scary thing is, one of these colossal idiots will become our next President.
We need to wake up, really soon ...
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We need someone who is wicked smart, formidable, has gravitas & at the same time a genuine sense of humor, beholden to no one, experience, knows what it is to be from a blue collar family, a great family person, good at retail politics, no drama, wears her heart on her sleeve.
Call me crazy.....won't happen......but......
Michelle Obama
Call me crazy.....won't happen......but......
Michelle Obama
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What would qualify michelle O. To be president? Shouldnt she have to run for senate—and win– or be confirmed by congress to serve as SOS first?
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I'm a huge fan of Michelle Obama but that doesn't mean she should be President and I'm not sure she even wants the job.
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AMP, RJS, DR:
Can't you launch a campaign, "Draft Michelle Obama for President"? That'd scare the living daylights out of HRC. Michelle is black, young, supports all the right causes, into healthy food habits, and even baked cookies for her daughters when they're younger. She has lived in Washington for more than a decade and knows the ways of Washington and policy issues better than Donald Trump. What's not to like about her? MY vote is for Michelle, and here's a bonus we can look for: President Obama won't have to return to Chicago for community activism. He can do it from the bully pulpit of the First Spouse.
Can't you launch a campaign, "Draft Michelle Obama for President"? That'd scare the living daylights out of HRC. Michelle is black, young, supports all the right causes, into healthy food habits, and even baked cookies for her daughters when they're younger. She has lived in Washington for more than a decade and knows the ways of Washington and policy issues better than Donald Trump. What's not to like about her? MY vote is for Michelle, and here's a bonus we can look for: President Obama won't have to return to Chicago for community activism. He can do it from the bully pulpit of the First Spouse.
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Most of these comments are the result of the NY Times readers living in a news bubble promulgating a negative and snarky narrative about Mrs. Clinton. But the truth is that Clinton had a good weekend in Iowa. She got the endorsement of Tom Harkin; she got the biggest applause of either Sanders or Omalley at the Wing Ding dinner; and she is up by 19 points in Iowa over Sanders. And now there is a new Reuters/Ipsos poll taken entirely after the GOP debate, and Hillary is crushing them all by 12-20 points!
Clinton 41% Bush 29%
Clinton 44% Walker 24%
Clinton 42% Christie 25%
Clinton 44% Carson 24%
Clinton 41% Cruz 27%
Clinton 41% Rubio 28%
Clinton 43% Trump 29%
Brutal: No GOP candidate even gets to 30% support.
Clinton 41% Bush 29%
Clinton 44% Walker 24%
Clinton 42% Christie 25%
Clinton 44% Carson 24%
Clinton 41% Cruz 27%
Clinton 41% Rubio 28%
Clinton 43% Trump 29%
Brutal: No GOP candidate even gets to 30% support.
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Ever see the headline..................DEWEY DEFEATS TRUMAN?
DOn't believe everything you see, polls change constantly.
DOn't believe everything you see, polls change constantly.
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Nixon had a lot of support too before he was disgraced.
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"I'm leading in all the polls"
- Donald Trump
- Donald Trump
A poorly delivered joke about her Snap Chat account may not be the smartest thing to do at this point. First, Hillary should learn how to tell a joke. One could count 1, 2, 3 between every measured word. Second, we already have a Donald Trump.
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@Nomad -you have no sense of humor? The ability to laugh at ones self is a great thing. The joke was both unexpected and funny.
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I do have a sense of humor. How else would you explain this member of the VRWC trying hard to find Mrs. Clinton likeable and funny?
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HRC is very similar to the lackluster candidates, Gore and Kerry, and we all know what happened with them.
Truly, without her connection to a popular president, would she have ever gotten this far in federal politics? I doubt it.
It's time for some soul-searching with HRC and the heads of the DEM party.
Truly, without her connection to a popular president, would she have ever gotten this far in federal politics? I doubt it.
It's time for some soul-searching with HRC and the heads of the DEM party.
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@sea star-lots of excitement about HRC from democrats. The problem is that the media has decided to run against Clinton and since the media reflects it's own echo chamber much of the time it's not an objective reporter on the Clinton campaign. I think that if HRC makes it to the general then the media will not feel the need to run against Clinton any longer. And there will be more visible excitement about many firsts including the first woman president and the first time electing the spouce of a former president. Those are very exciting things!
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"there will be more visible excitement about many firsts including the first woman president and the first time electing the spouce of a former president. Those are very exciting things!"
Really? Apparently you are easily excited by events not relevant to your needs, or the good of the country.
Obama's "historic" election did nothing for me, as one of his first efforts was to make a "grand bargain" with the other elites to cut my social security. Then he went on to allow the police state to violate too many of my Constitutional rights to list. Like Hillary and her abortive attempt at universal health care during Bill's term, he allowed a deeply flawed ACA to be passed when he could have done the right thing and pushed for single payer.
As far as electing the spouse of a former president, as many have said, including Barbara Bush, we have had enough of political dynasties. As you seem to be voting your choice for many of the wrong reasons, you are representative of the ignorance and partisanship of the many voters that continue to give us awful government. By the way, I already voted for a woman president, Dr. Jill Stein, in 2010. Events since then have shown that she most likely would have been a far better POTUS than any of the recent past and present major party candidates.
Really? Apparently you are easily excited by events not relevant to your needs, or the good of the country.
Obama's "historic" election did nothing for me, as one of his first efforts was to make a "grand bargain" with the other elites to cut my social security. Then he went on to allow the police state to violate too many of my Constitutional rights to list. Like Hillary and her abortive attempt at universal health care during Bill's term, he allowed a deeply flawed ACA to be passed when he could have done the right thing and pushed for single payer.
As far as electing the spouse of a former president, as many have said, including Barbara Bush, we have had enough of political dynasties. As you seem to be voting your choice for many of the wrong reasons, you are representative of the ignorance and partisanship of the many voters that continue to give us awful government. By the way, I already voted for a woman president, Dr. Jill Stein, in 2010. Events since then have shown that she most likely would have been a far better POTUS than any of the recent past and present major party candidates.
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Speak for yourself. First of all there is no scenario in which Hillary Rodham Clinton would be chosen simply as a woman. She is an awesome candidate. She is experienced, smart and battle tested.That being said we all have the right to be excited, thrilled and overjoyed that a woman is going to be elected President. We do not need to be challenged every time we express that we are excited to finally see a woman do what men have done since the country was founded. If you don't care that a woman's unique perspective hasn't had one single opportunity to create change at the highest level thats your problem. Go rain on someone else's party....
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I have never met her and I'm sure I never will, but I have a gut instinct that tells me there's something not quite right about her and her campaign and her desire to be president. I'm sure she's not an evil person or anything like that, but I feel that she's totally phony. That it is unbridled ambition which drives her, and I know that there's something about being the first woman president that lurks in her mind and makes her think that she's the one to break that barrier. Again, these are all instincts I have about her, and I trust my instincts. I will never vote for her.
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Wonderful instincts; listen to them, always ...
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A Tom Harkin endorsement ins't worth much. Look back to the Wellstone funeral in October 2002 and his eulogy. The Iowa senator almost singlehandedly turned over the Minnesota U.S. Senate election to Norm Coleman.
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Every endorsement we hear the same thing, its not that important and then trashing the endorser. Of course had he gone with Bernie there would be sunshine, rainbows and Lollipops all over the place and people like you talking about how it would be hard for Clinton to overcome losing Tom Harkin's endorsement in Iowa....
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The Iowa state fair sounds dreadful. It's held during the hottest time of the year. Exhibits include giant butter sculptures. There is a lot of fried food and dead animals on a stick to eat. There are competitions held for the largest hog. Frankly, any politician smart enough to not find this enjoyable has my vote.
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It IS dreadful. That's why over a million people attend every year. It's sad that you base your vote on which events candidates attend or do not attend.
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Seriously. And these people have an out-sized voice in who gets to run for President?
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Judging from the complete lack of serious candidates stepping forward on the Republican side, the 2016 Presidential election seems almost impossible for the Democrats to lose...
Yet, somehow, if the Democrats nominate Hillary, I sense they'll pull it off.
Yet, somehow, if the Democrats nominate Hillary, I sense they'll pull it off.
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"Celebrity Hampers Clinton’s Effort to Connect With Iowans"
The ONLY thing that hampers Hillary Clinton's ability to connect with human beings is that she has lived an extraordinary, out-of-touch-with-reality life mostly thanks to her fortuitous marriage to Bill Clinton.
And her conclusion, after living such a fortuitous, extraordinary, out-of-touch-with-reality life, is that she is somehow destined to be the nation's first female president, in the name of all women, most of whom share almost nothing in common with her.
The ONLY thing that hampers Hillary Clinton's ability to connect with human beings is that she has lived an extraordinary, out-of-touch-with-reality life mostly thanks to her fortuitous marriage to Bill Clinton.
And her conclusion, after living such a fortuitous, extraordinary, out-of-touch-with-reality life, is that she is somehow destined to be the nation's first female president, in the name of all women, most of whom share almost nothing in common with her.
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Right, because Americans have so much in common with Jeb.
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Way to rock those Karl Rove talking points and big Ka Chings for doubling them up like a boss! And then on top of that you try and throw in a little amatuer punditry too. Women would never find anything in common with someone who has triumphed over so much adversity and shown such strength in the face of sexism and double standards. No, the average woman just can't relate to any of that....
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No offense - but Hillary Clinton could do well to watch a few Michelle Obama mingling with the public videos, or Michelle Obama speaking to the public videos, or Michelle Obama on talk show videos.
Hillary either lightens up, speaks a little faster with less bossiness in her tone, somewhat less political waiting for the nod or applause, or people are going to just zone her out.
This is a woman who clearly I believe, does have it in her, to make this country better. But my, oh my, she's making it hard for herself to be understood - and it's not just Benghazi, either. Although that doesn't help.
Hillary either lightens up, speaks a little faster with less bossiness in her tone, somewhat less political waiting for the nod or applause, or people are going to just zone her out.
This is a woman who clearly I believe, does have it in her, to make this country better. But my, oh my, she's making it hard for herself to be understood - and it's not just Benghazi, either. Although that doesn't help.
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Michelle Obama is a different person. She's very secure and comfortable with herself and with other people. There are a lot of people who just don't do well in groups or crowds. Running for political office probably isn't the best career path for that kind of person.
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And yet Hilary runs? Why? Ego?
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Arrogance, hubris, a sense of entitlement, a lack of introspection about herself and her record, a desire to cash in (more) for her corporate service, and a complete disregard for the good of the country. To start.
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It appears that the Democratic Party's leaders are sensing the possibility of two unelectable candidates. People have seen enough of Hillary. They dislike and do not trust her. Bernie's "platform" is one that I can agree with, but I am an eastern liberal. If Bernie's nominated, it's George McGovern all over again. I think Biden would be a good alternative, but, I think he's even older than Hil and Bernie.
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A good report, but then this:
"Backstage, she posed for a photograph with a heaping pile of chicken wings. An aide declined to say whether the candidate had eaten any."
Not sure how that advances the story, or casts a light on ability or lack thereof. Or even chicken vs pork-chop on a stick.
Snarky, snarky!
"Backstage, she posed for a photograph with a heaping pile of chicken wings. An aide declined to say whether the candidate had eaten any."
Not sure how that advances the story, or casts a light on ability or lack thereof. Or even chicken vs pork-chop on a stick.
Snarky, snarky!
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It's an allegory.
It's interesting that Hillary dismisses the email 'scandal' as a '...politically motivated congressional investigation.' She ignores that if not for the investigation and FOIA lawsuit - we (citizens) wouldn't know anything of HER choices and behaviors. It's NOT always someone else's fault!
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I thought it was an FBI and State Department investigation.
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That's right up there with that "Vast right wing conspiracy" thing she spewed so many years ago.
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It's interesting that Hillary dismisses the email 'scandal' as a '...politically motivated congressional investigation.'
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The email investigation is being conducted by the IGs of the Intelligence Community and the State Department and the FBI. Not by Congress
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The email investigation is being conducted by the IGs of the Intelligence Community and the State Department and the FBI. Not by Congress
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Well but Hillary is not alone in her with to get close to Iowans all the rest of presidential contenders want the same both Trump and Huckabee and even Bernie came here seeking his voters.
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Former Democrat House Speaker is famous for saying "All politics is local." While that may still be true in the first two primary states--Iowa and New Hampshire, it's no longer true for most of the nation after that. Instead, the local "ground game," as the professional pols call it, will be played out in a few swing states like Florida and Ohio with the rest of us being bombarded with endless ads in the air war that consumes most of the gigantic costs of running a Presidential campaign. It's a sad commentary on our "democracy" that it still has an anachronistic 18th century Presidential voting procedure--the Electoral College--that essentially disenfanchises true blue and red state voters. We desperately need to finally make "one person, one vote" the law of the land by abolishing the Electoral College and giving the vote to every citizen with no state voter ID laws permitted. Until then, most of us will be, as we now are, bystanders to an electoral process the leaves the vast majority of us on the sidelines.
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The Electoral College, like the Senate, are meant to keep smaller states from total disenfranchisement. In an all-popular vote election; half the electorate wouldn't be ignored based on the color of their state, they would be ignored based on the size and population density of their state.
If Hillary's endorsement by Iowa's elilte dem leaders was a pre-determined fact - why did she need to go to Iowa at all. Those "leaders" delivered for her with their endorsement. Questionable endorsement that is. THAT is the same ole same ole deal making that served her well when she campaigned in 2008 and made a deal with President Obama to opt out so he would endorse her eight years later. We are all familiar to the upmost nauseating degree how it goes inside each party's elite status quo. BUT for the NY Times to suggest the people of Iowa are wrongfully influenced against her because she is a "celebrity" is The NY Times really putting the blinders on here. And really dumbing down the electorate in Iowa who has their own voice and their own individual reasons for being wary and skeptical of Ms. Clinton - of their own.
If you watched Face the Nation yesterday and their interviewing of individual declared dems at the fair - you would see for yourself their open shock at being asked about her. They did not like or respect her. They would not vote for her. I wonder what the poll numbers would actually be - if everyone at the fair was able to cast their votes - so that the NY Times could appreciate - Hilary the "celebrity" has nothing to do with anything.
Hillary the liar, the deceiver, the distrusted party foil - the active destroyer of evidence and the one who let those four Americans be killed in Benghazi and then lied about all of that - that is who Hillary Clinton is.
If you watched Face the Nation yesterday and their interviewing of individual declared dems at the fair - you would see for yourself their open shock at being asked about her. They did not like or respect her. They would not vote for her. I wonder what the poll numbers would actually be - if everyone at the fair was able to cast their votes - so that the NY Times could appreciate - Hilary the "celebrity" has nothing to do with anything.
Hillary the liar, the deceiver, the distrusted party foil - the active destroyer of evidence and the one who let those four Americans be killed in Benghazi and then lied about all of that - that is who Hillary Clinton is.
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The crowd that PURPOSELY lied the nation into war by exploiting a national tragedy as cover, and that had multiple Benghazis occur under its watch, predictably scapegoats Clinton as the mirror into which it cannot bring itself to look.
It is over, William. Even your own party has moved on. Step away from a.m. radio, go outside, take a few deep breaths, and find something useful to do.
It is over, William. Even your own party has moved on. Step away from a.m. radio, go outside, take a few deep breaths, and find something useful to do.
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She had to show up to have a chance at the nomination from the elite dem leaders in Iowa, it's the price they demand.
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I'm getting really tired of the Times political commentary that is completely out of time and out of touch with the current political stage.
First, the premise that celebrity is Hillary's problem completely misses the point. When she says things like "People don't realize how innovative Iowa farmers are" even those eating pork chops on sticks can hear that as totally insincere.
I was also put off by the lead of the article, which by the way did not match the headline. Does the Times really think that establishment Hillary being endorsed by an establishment Senator is lead article news? Hasn't the Times noticed that the anti Establishment candidates are the ones doing well this year.
It isn't celebrity holding Hil back. There was one key quote from a young woman - "She knows all the sneaky ways." You can't overcome that perception by gushing platitudes. And making jokes about Snapchat,
First, the premise that celebrity is Hillary's problem completely misses the point. When she says things like "People don't realize how innovative Iowa farmers are" even those eating pork chops on sticks can hear that as totally insincere.
I was also put off by the lead of the article, which by the way did not match the headline. Does the Times really think that establishment Hillary being endorsed by an establishment Senator is lead article news? Hasn't the Times noticed that the anti Establishment candidates are the ones doing well this year.
It isn't celebrity holding Hil back. There was one key quote from a young woman - "She knows all the sneaky ways." You can't overcome that perception by gushing platitudes. And making jokes about Snapchat,
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Very good analysis.
Seems more like she wants distance between her and reporters asking about her server....
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Ya, she would do so much better from your viewpoint if she just jousted with the beltway media all day and didn't go getting voters to think she's not what the GOP has told them she is.....
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I look at Hillary more as an algorithmic holographic projection of current opinion polls, than a flesh-and blood human. I have no doubt that if you pulled the plug on the opinion poll computers she would instantly cease to exist. All that would be left would be the pants-suit and fake smile.
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There is nothing warm and welcoming about Mrs. Clinton that
is genuine. Her genuine posture is defensive and entitled.
Every Democrat knows that about her in spite of wearing "H" buttons.
Her campaigning is tired and boring. We have had enough of her,
even those of us who are women her age, life long Democrats who felt some outrage for her over her husband's lies and sexually inappropriate behavior
over and over again. There plainly is just nothing genuine about her
(emails aside). She should not be allowed to be our primary nomination.
She needs to withdraw from political office and stop collecting so-called
charity donations.
is genuine. Her genuine posture is defensive and entitled.
Every Democrat knows that about her in spite of wearing "H" buttons.
Her campaigning is tired and boring. We have had enough of her,
even those of us who are women her age, life long Democrats who felt some outrage for her over her husband's lies and sexually inappropriate behavior
over and over again. There plainly is just nothing genuine about her
(emails aside). She should not be allowed to be our primary nomination.
She needs to withdraw from political office and stop collecting so-called
charity donations.
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Perhaps it's time for a movement to stop her campaign.
There is a good chance the DEM party is on auto-pilot with her nomination, but they should realize they may very well be supporting a 'spoiler', a lackluster candidate just like Gore and Kerry.
After the exuberance of the Sanders campaign, I just don't see people falling in line for HRC.
There is a good chance the DEM party is on auto-pilot with her nomination, but they should realize they may very well be supporting a 'spoiler', a lackluster candidate just like Gore and Kerry.
After the exuberance of the Sanders campaign, I just don't see people falling in line for HRC.
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Why is it hard to understand that 'every people' will never connect to the elites like Clinton. Coupe this with the 'phony- ism' that Mx. Hillary sprouts and you have a perfect case for entry of a dump Hillary movement. All adults know that you can never overcome perceptions of being dis-honest and untrustworthy. So, let us hope that reality will strike Mx. Hillary and she will end her quest. America deserves better, its that simple.
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Isn't it funny that the same people who call Hillary elite will fawn all over people like Jeb, Trump and Romney?
I'm no fan of Hillary Clinton, but then I wasn't a fan of her husband either - to me, both are Republican-lites.
But this article implies that she *wants* the "scrum" of Secret Service agents, aides and press surrounding her, that she likes being a "celebrity." I'm not sure that's true.
It should go without saying that there are plenty of armed nuts out there who would love to harm her simply because of who she is. The potential danger is real; thus the Secret Service protection.
And the media play their usual role: As they do with entertainment stars, they have created this bubble of celebrity around a woman whose every word and deed they dissect into superficial gossip. But she is not the extroverted, love-seeking, celebrity-type politician her husband is and the media adore because he's just...FUN. She's quieter, not so comfortable in crowds, and better one-on-one or in small groups. The media hate that, and their knives are always out.
When it comes to public appearances, such a person is set up to be controlled by the forces around her - the agents, the aides, the reporters and photographers. She would find it hard to breach that wall - it's just not in her personality to plunge into crowds and grab hands in the first place.
That more introverted nature is a weakness in political campaigns, but she wouldn't be the only politician who hates what campaigns have become. And it doesn't mean that she's a wealthy snob who couldn't care less about ordinary people.
But this article implies that she *wants* the "scrum" of Secret Service agents, aides and press surrounding her, that she likes being a "celebrity." I'm not sure that's true.
It should go without saying that there are plenty of armed nuts out there who would love to harm her simply because of who she is. The potential danger is real; thus the Secret Service protection.
And the media play their usual role: As they do with entertainment stars, they have created this bubble of celebrity around a woman whose every word and deed they dissect into superficial gossip. But she is not the extroverted, love-seeking, celebrity-type politician her husband is and the media adore because he's just...FUN. She's quieter, not so comfortable in crowds, and better one-on-one or in small groups. The media hate that, and their knives are always out.
When it comes to public appearances, such a person is set up to be controlled by the forces around her - the agents, the aides, the reporters and photographers. She would find it hard to breach that wall - it's just not in her personality to plunge into crowds and grab hands in the first place.
That more introverted nature is a weakness in political campaigns, but she wouldn't be the only politician who hates what campaigns have become. And it doesn't mean that she's a wealthy snob who couldn't care less about ordinary people.
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Sir, thank you so much for being fair. Your comments are refreshing and welcome. Whether you support her is your choice but your ability to see her as the real person she is is the mark of a quality person. As a huge Hillary supporter it becomes painful to read these ugly comments against someone I admire and believe in. Sir, you have made my day. Thank you so much!
The NYT staff and editors clearly don't like HRC, and the level of snark is reprehensible for a major newspaper-- " . . . climbed into a sport utility vehicle that took her to a private plane destined for Martha’s Vineyard off Massachusetts" What candidate besides Sanders doesn't fly private?? Yes, her personality is not applealing, but please show some respect for a very accomplished and competent woman, and for your readers.
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Yea, what he said!
What are these "accomplishments" you speak of? Other than marrying and enabling Bill, that is.
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Tell me do you feel it's snark when the Times reveals how the repubs live high off the hog or that Trump has his own helicopter? Or would that be considered hypocritical for you?
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I think Mrs. Clinton is an intelligent, charismatic, accomplished woman who has lead a great life. I feel sad for her that she won't be able to become the first female president. She and Bill have defeated many of their rivals over the years, and have had a great run, but they've come up against a stronger force in the Obamas (led by Valerie Jarrett) and will suffer another great loss at their hands.
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Accomplished at what exactly? She accomplished nothing as Senator from NY (interesting since she was not born nor did she live there)and nothing as SOS. I'm confused by your comment.
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I think Mrs. Clinton is an intelligent, charismatic, accomplished woman who has lead a great life.
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If she hadn't married Bill we would never have heard of her
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If she hadn't married Bill we would never have heard of her
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Gee, Laura, in this age of information, it shouldn't be difficult to find what you don't want to know.
As the first First Lady to be elected Senator, Clinton helped secure slightly more than $20 million to re-develop the WTC site, and helped investigate health-related issues suffered by 9/11 responders. She also increased the army by almost 100,00 so soldiers wouldn't have to re-deploy multiple times. By contrast, although not a senator, then-Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld balked at obtaining funds to obtain better protective gear for soldiers. Not surprising.
She also introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, was popular with Democrats and Republicans alike, had excellent survey ratings, and was re-elected by a large margin.
As for her accomplishments as Secretary of State, find evidence that these are false:
http://theweek.com/articles/468265/hillary-clintons-9-most-memorable-mom...
As the first First Lady to be elected Senator, Clinton helped secure slightly more than $20 million to re-develop the WTC site, and helped investigate health-related issues suffered by 9/11 responders. She also increased the army by almost 100,00 so soldiers wouldn't have to re-deploy multiple times. By contrast, although not a senator, then-Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld balked at obtaining funds to obtain better protective gear for soldiers. Not surprising.
She also introduced the Family Entertainment Protection Act, was popular with Democrats and Republicans alike, had excellent survey ratings, and was re-elected by a large margin.
As for her accomplishments as Secretary of State, find evidence that these are false:
http://theweek.com/articles/468265/hillary-clintons-9-most-memorable-mom...
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Cry me a river.
Blaming the media is too convenient. She seems different because she IS different. She is an out-of-touch rich person with entitlement issues. "Dead broke" when leaving the White House? Ha ha ha! For ONE HOUR's speaking, they earn over FOUR TIMES THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME for a family of four. That is why she can't connect.
Fact is, Hil is the Democrat analog of out-of-touch Mitt Romney.
On the other hand, she and her advisers are aware of this deficiency. They have been trying desperately to script her and choreograph her, based upon focus group findings. The "Listening Tour." The impromptu Chipotle visit.
Well, guess who gets TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND LISTENERS at a single rally, without having to test his message with a focus group? Bern, baby Bern!
Blaming the media is too convenient. She seems different because she IS different. She is an out-of-touch rich person with entitlement issues. "Dead broke" when leaving the White House? Ha ha ha! For ONE HOUR's speaking, they earn over FOUR TIMES THE MEDIAN FAMILY INCOME for a family of four. That is why she can't connect.
Fact is, Hil is the Democrat analog of out-of-touch Mitt Romney.
On the other hand, she and her advisers are aware of this deficiency. They have been trying desperately to script her and choreograph her, based upon focus group findings. The "Listening Tour." The impromptu Chipotle visit.
Well, guess who gets TWENTY FIVE THOUSAND LISTENERS at a single rally, without having to test his message with a focus group? Bern, baby Bern!
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Maybe her grandparents who worked in coal mines and lace mills were just slumming and after work they put on their gowns and tuxedos and went to the ballet. Maybe her father just pretended to start a small business making draperies but was really sneaking off to hobnob with the rich and famous. That "mansion" in the suburbs must have come from the trust fund he got from being heir to a lace mill worker fortune. Every rich suburban heiress gets a job at 14 and works at sliming fish after college to afford a trip to Alaska. Next she took a job at that bastion of high society employers The Children's Defense Fund and she married another scion of wealth Bill Clinton at a ritzy ceremony in their own living room in posh Fayetteville wearing an exclusive DinoDelaMall $53 dress. Oh, the lives of the rich and famous! And you are so right! She was wrong about being "dead broke" because she was actually 8 million in debt. That is actually several hundred times the amount of debt that the average person is able to acquire and she should be pilloried viciously for daring to be further in debt than the average guy on the corner is able to aspire to. And where was the lace mill heir money? We need to get Trey Gowdy on this immediately. LaceGate demands a congressional hearing! Plus these lace billionaires think they can callously write books and give speeches and be paid as if they were an ex President, a Senator or a Secretary of State! Outrageous!
Dear Amy Chozick,
I read an article in a different news outlet about these same events. It reported that HRC spoke with many ordinary Iowans at the fair and they did short interviews with many people who said things like:
"I thought she was supposed to be aloof and I was really surprised that I really liked her. She was warm, friendly and very smart. She's great."
Amy, I wonder where the memes that Hillary does not connect with voters, and that Hillary is aloof, and the most ridiculous one - that she is a rich 1%'er (from a lower middle class family she took out student loans to pay for law school) has come from??
This negative slant to the NYTimes reporting about Hillary Clinton is getting really tiresome.
I read an article in a different news outlet about these same events. It reported that HRC spoke with many ordinary Iowans at the fair and they did short interviews with many people who said things like:
"I thought she was supposed to be aloof and I was really surprised that I really liked her. She was warm, friendly and very smart. She's great."
Amy, I wonder where the memes that Hillary does not connect with voters, and that Hillary is aloof, and the most ridiculous one - that she is a rich 1%'er (from a lower middle class family she took out student loans to pay for law school) has come from??
This negative slant to the NYTimes reporting about Hillary Clinton is getting really tiresome.
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Bravo! Thank you Alice. All us Hillary supporters need to speak out.
It is hard to understand why the democratic establishment continues to support Mrs. Clinton.
The fact that she flew to Martha's Vineyard to meet her husband who was seen playing golf with president Obama while she is under investigation by the FBI (which is criminal). From four now up to sixty classified emails and getting worse.
The Clinton's where in Martha Vineyard to celebrate Vernon Jordan's 80th birthday along with president Obama (the guy who worked for Clinton and wanted to be paid $302,719 by the government in legal fees to defend against Lewinsky and Jones scandals). He got $1,215 by U.S. court of appeals. Jordan is a known Clinton fixer and go-between.
Does anyone ask themselves, "These visuals don't look good for the party?".
For both demarcates and republicans, this election cycle is "outsider". It is real and it is too late for either party to change.
Finally, this Clinton association will be remembered as a stain on the Obama legacy. Too close and full of controversy which president Obama created for himself by appointing Mrs. Clinton to head the State Dept. which became rogue under his administration. It's already written.
The fact that she flew to Martha's Vineyard to meet her husband who was seen playing golf with president Obama while she is under investigation by the FBI (which is criminal). From four now up to sixty classified emails and getting worse.
The Clinton's where in Martha Vineyard to celebrate Vernon Jordan's 80th birthday along with president Obama (the guy who worked for Clinton and wanted to be paid $302,719 by the government in legal fees to defend against Lewinsky and Jones scandals). He got $1,215 by U.S. court of appeals. Jordan is a known Clinton fixer and go-between.
Does anyone ask themselves, "These visuals don't look good for the party?".
For both demarcates and republicans, this election cycle is "outsider". It is real and it is too late for either party to change.
Finally, this Clinton association will be remembered as a stain on the Obama legacy. Too close and full of controversy which president Obama created for himself by appointing Mrs. Clinton to head the State Dept. which became rogue under his administration. It's already written.
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From four now up to sixty classified emails and getting worse.
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Now up over 300
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Now up over 300
She's arrogant and entitled and I don't trust her. Her voice is like fingernails on a chalkboard. I don't trust someone that age who needs consultants and focus groups to learn how to talk like a "regular person."
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Poor little rich girl. Hillary Clinton has all of her husband's corporatism, but none of his charm. She's as synthetic as rayon, as likeable as Rodney Dangerfield.
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Sure, everyone is piling on, now. Easy to do.
But when push comes to shove - and it will, given the world we live in today - she is the most experienced, smartest and well-connected candidate. Do I care that she can't make chit-chat with the Iowans who are eating pork chops on a stick? No. I care that she already has an established relationship with all the world leaders as well as anyone who basically matters.
But when push comes to shove - and it will, given the world we live in today - she is the most experienced, smartest and well-connected candidate. Do I care that she can't make chit-chat with the Iowans who are eating pork chops on a stick? No. I care that she already has an established relationship with all the world leaders as well as anyone who basically matters.
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If celebrity is what the Times deduces is in Clinton's way of connecting with Iowans, then how can the Times explain away that celebrity is THE reason people flock to Trump?
Nice try Times. Clinton doesn't have a clue what it's like to be from middle America. THAT'S why she didn't connect.
Nice try Times. Clinton doesn't have a clue what it's like to be from middle America. THAT'S why she didn't connect.
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Hillary Clinton belongs in the dock. While partisans will dismiss any effort to seriously investigate her many, many lies and frauds as 'political' - this is a reflection of the obdurate stupidity of being a partisan.
Her efforts to delete emails, to destroy them, in re circumstances where the US was apparently running guns to Syria, via Turkey, through Benghazi, and where the US was supporting, literally supporting Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria merely to overthrow the government (for US, Israeli and oil/gas and [private central banking concerns, or, I'm sorry - for "freedom" cough cough]
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
were a serious crime, and she should be, no kidding, investigated as someone who likely committed SEVERAL serious felonies.
Forget the red team blue team stuff, and put aside the fact that the GOP has offered up a consortium of imbeciles in the alternative.
Hillary Clinton is an inveterate liar and fraud, which makes her eligible to be a American politician helping to oversee the Decline and Fall - but she is also a felon, a repeat felon, and deserves to be prosecuted.
Her efforts to delete emails, to destroy them, in re circumstances where the US was apparently running guns to Syria, via Turkey, through Benghazi, and where the US was supporting, literally supporting Al Qaeda in Libya and Syria merely to overthrow the government (for US, Israeli and oil/gas and [private central banking concerns, or, I'm sorry - for "freedom" cough cough]
http://www.lrb.co.uk/v36/n08/seymour-m-hersh/the-red-line-and-the-rat-line
were a serious crime, and she should be, no kidding, investigated as someone who likely committed SEVERAL serious felonies.
Forget the red team blue team stuff, and put aside the fact that the GOP has offered up a consortium of imbeciles in the alternative.
Hillary Clinton is an inveterate liar and fraud, which makes her eligible to be a American politician helping to oversee the Decline and Fall - but she is also a felon, a repeat felon, and deserves to be prosecuted.
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You have tried and convicted her without a shred of proof with which to do so.
About as un-American as it gets.
And about as desperate as they come.
About as un-American as it gets.
And about as desperate as they come.
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without a shred of proof?
Have you ever used the internet?
Have you ever used the internet?
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What are/is the name of the law(s) she has broken, Maire?
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It's not about her being "too much of a celebrity to connect." It's her personality. Was Barack Obama, lauded and criticized in the 2008 election for being a "rock star", too famous to connect with people?
Clinton just doesn't connect. That's fine; a president's job is to manage the country, not to make people smile. We shouldn't be pretending that *personal fame* gets in the way of relationships when it doesn't seem to be happening to any of the other famous politicians,
Clinton just doesn't connect. That's fine; a president's job is to manage the country, not to make people smile. We shouldn't be pretending that *personal fame* gets in the way of relationships when it doesn't seem to be happening to any of the other famous politicians,
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She doesn't connect? But win half if the democratic electorate in 2008 and was elected New York senator by a large margin. Confused by your statement.
It is odd to me how there can be any support for HRC for our next POTUS. She has accomplished nothing, is a serial liar and from all accounts that I have read, she may well be able to be lumped into the same category as the disgraced R.M. Nixon when being called to task about her email drama.
Can one of her supporters please respond to me with a list of deeds attributed to her that show she is qualified for occupying our White House? Thank you in advance.
Can one of her supporters please respond to me with a list of deeds attributed to her that show she is qualified for occupying our White House? Thank you in advance.
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Well, I'll start the list for others Chaz:
1- She cares about women and children, despite the fact that she voted for a war on Iraq that killed possibly hundreds of thousands of civilians and displaced over a million. Most of the victims were women and children.
2- She's "brilliant" although I haven't heard a word out of her mouth in all these years to prove that assertion. And I pay close attention.
3- She has a great amount of government experience, especially as Secretary of State, flying around to all those countries to attend state dinners--and she looks it. I believe the "Hard Choices" she had to make as SecState were, what to have for dessert.
4- She gives all sorts of speeches promoting freedom and democracy, yet is one of the elite Democrats, along with Obama, Feinstein, Kerry and Schumer who would imprison genuine whistle blowers of integrity, who all have much more integrity than the afore mentioned Dems, who are the politician narcissists who call the whistle blower kettles black.
5 -Her election as the first woman POTUS would be historic, as was Barack Obama's as the first mixed race POTUS. But after Obama, we as a country do not need any more "history" (and I voted for him, once). By the way, I voted for a woman president in 2012, Dr. Jill Stein, running for the Green Party. So all of you women who want a woman president, vote for Dr. Stein. You can do so with a clear conscience, knowing that your vote goes to a person who will actually fight for YOU.
1- She cares about women and children, despite the fact that she voted for a war on Iraq that killed possibly hundreds of thousands of civilians and displaced over a million. Most of the victims were women and children.
2- She's "brilliant" although I haven't heard a word out of her mouth in all these years to prove that assertion. And I pay close attention.
3- She has a great amount of government experience, especially as Secretary of State, flying around to all those countries to attend state dinners--and she looks it. I believe the "Hard Choices" she had to make as SecState were, what to have for dessert.
4- She gives all sorts of speeches promoting freedom and democracy, yet is one of the elite Democrats, along with Obama, Feinstein, Kerry and Schumer who would imprison genuine whistle blowers of integrity, who all have much more integrity than the afore mentioned Dems, who are the politician narcissists who call the whistle blower kettles black.
5 -Her election as the first woman POTUS would be historic, as was Barack Obama's as the first mixed race POTUS. But after Obama, we as a country do not need any more "history" (and I voted for him, once). By the way, I voted for a woman president in 2012, Dr. Jill Stein, running for the Green Party. So all of you women who want a woman president, vote for Dr. Stein. You can do so with a clear conscience, knowing that your vote goes to a person who will actually fight for YOU.
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1. Before Bill was president, she was considered to be one of the top 100 lawyers in the US.
2. Look up her long work for Children's Defense Fund.
3. As First Lady, she went to China and proclaimed "Women's Rights are Human Rights".
4. As First Lady, she created the first real health care program in US which has become ACA.
5. After being First Lady, she came to NY and was elected our first female Senator for two terms.
6. As Secretary of State, she helped to repair our image and relationships around the world for fours years.
2. Look up her long work for Children's Defense Fund.
3. As First Lady, she went to China and proclaimed "Women's Rights are Human Rights".
4. As First Lady, she created the first real health care program in US which has become ACA.
5. After being First Lady, she came to NY and was elected our first female Senator for two terms.
6. As Secretary of State, she helped to repair our image and relationships around the world for fours years.
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Her Wikipedia entry has a fairly comprehensive recounting of her professional accomplishments, policy initiatives, and legislative accomplishments as an attorney, First Lady of Arkansas, First Lady of the United States, United States Senator, and U.S. Secretary of State.
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My wheelchair-bound wife and I were at the Democratic Wing Ding in Clear Lake, Iowa on Friday, shunted off to a wheelchair ghetto at the far right side of the stage next to the "green room" where the presidential candidates were awaiting their turn to speak. We went to what appeared to be the only remaining space for a wheelchair--the ballroom staff had already informed us we couldn't sit elsewhere--when a member of Mrs. Clinton's Secret Service detail approached me and told me that we couldn't be there either, and directed us to the back of the hall, where my wife would be unable to see any of the speakers. We left the event before seeing anyone speak, let alone Mrs. Clinton.
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I'm sorry that you were shoved aside. But do you honestly think that wouldn't happen at another candidate's crowded gathering? Is Mrs. Clinton to blame for crowd control, too?
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Clinton gets slammed for being wealthy while Trump is admired for it. She can't possibly relate to Joe and Susie Public, due to her wealth, but Trump sure can relate to them, despite his wealth. The starkness of the double standard is palpable.
As such, if she becomes president, and she is likely to do so, she certainly will have the same problems as a woman as President Obama has had for being black.
The birth pangs of 21st-century America are on full display.
As such, if she becomes president, and she is likely to do so, she certainly will have the same problems as a woman as President Obama has had for being black.
The birth pangs of 21st-century America are on full display.
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Trump has never pretended to be anything but wealthy. He doesn't affect Southern accents when speaking to Southern audiences. And, by and large, he earned his money from his own furious business efforts, rather than trading shamelessly on a public service career (which in turn, traded heavily on the public service career of her husband).
That double standard stuff is quicksand. If you want to make Hillary out to be a victim, go right ahead.
That double standard stuff is quicksand. If you want to make Hillary out to be a victim, go right ahead.
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Wine Country Dude - Trump was born into money and he's mismanaged that money and declared bankruptcy multiple times.
BTW, do you think that baseball hat has always been part of his wardrobe?
BTW, do you think that baseball hat has always been part of his wardrobe?
Trump took his father's serious, humble, yet far-reaching real estate business, squandered it on hotels and casinos, and, consequently, had to claim bankruptcy multiple times. Brilliant choice for president.
Meanwhile, yes, Clinton has devoted her life to public service; so what? So have a multitude of Republicans. What is the purpose for pointing that out? That Trump does not have a single taxpayer-funded paycheck?
That's a laugh, given the tax breaks and tax loopholes he grabs courtesy of the taxpaying working poor and middle class who Republicans then make fun of when said classes struggle to make ends meet.
"Quicksand," indeed. Nothing like fleecing taxpayers for your own gain and then convincing them to vote to allow you to fleece them even more.
Meanwhile, yes, Clinton has devoted her life to public service; so what? So have a multitude of Republicans. What is the purpose for pointing that out? That Trump does not have a single taxpayer-funded paycheck?
That's a laugh, given the tax breaks and tax loopholes he grabs courtesy of the taxpaying working poor and middle class who Republicans then make fun of when said classes struggle to make ends meet.
"Quicksand," indeed. Nothing like fleecing taxpayers for your own gain and then convincing them to vote to allow you to fleece them even more.
"Four Democratic contenders spoke — Mr. Sanders, Mrs. Clinton, former Gov. Martin O’Malley of Maryland and former Gov. Lincoln Chafee of Rhode Island — but Mrs. Clinton drew the biggest applause.
After her speech, Mrs. Clinton vanished behind a curtain as Secret Service agents kept voters at bay. Backstage, she posed for a photograph with a heaping pile of chicken wings. An aide declined to say whether the candidate had eaten any."
Is this a piece of literature or a piece of journalism? Really NYT? Really? Ms. Chozick I think your talents would be better appreciated in another section of this news organization, not the sections that are supposed to be hard news. Gorgeously framed but really missing the mark. Stop publishing puff pieces of Clinton NYT. If Biden joins the race she will be 3rd place, again. She. Will. Not. Win.
After her speech, Mrs. Clinton vanished behind a curtain as Secret Service agents kept voters at bay. Backstage, she posed for a photograph with a heaping pile of chicken wings. An aide declined to say whether the candidate had eaten any."
Is this a piece of literature or a piece of journalism? Really NYT? Really? Ms. Chozick I think your talents would be better appreciated in another section of this news organization, not the sections that are supposed to be hard news. Gorgeously framed but really missing the mark. Stop publishing puff pieces of Clinton NYT. If Biden joins the race she will be 3rd place, again. She. Will. Not. Win.
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The Times' shilling for Hillary makes me wish the Left got its wish and Citizens United was somehow reversed.
For you see, if that happened, President Trump could direct the DOJ to prosecute any newspaper corporation that published editorials in favor of anyu candidate.
If that decision had gone that way, that absolutely could happen. "The press" did and does not mean some special rights granted to newspaper corporations.
Maybe Sanders will get in, and create a socialist utopia. There won't be much 'crimethink' there!
For you see, if that happened, President Trump could direct the DOJ to prosecute any newspaper corporation that published editorials in favor of anyu candidate.
If that decision had gone that way, that absolutely could happen. "The press" did and does not mean some special rights granted to newspaper corporations.
Maybe Sanders will get in, and create a socialist utopia. There won't be much 'crimethink' there!
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While I deeply admire Senator Bernie Sanders, and would cast a vote for him - stop screaming, conservatives; I am an American by birth and live in Mexico for only two months of the year - of all the candidates, Hillary Rodham Clinton has the best resume' and the best chance of winning the presidency.
Accordingly, Hillary Rodham Clinton will ensure that the SCOTUS does not take any more of a rightward turn. I never thought I would be a single-issue voter, but there it is.
I look forward to her inauguration.
Accordingly, Hillary Rodham Clinton will ensure that the SCOTUS does not take any more of a rightward turn. I never thought I would be a single-issue voter, but there it is.
I look forward to her inauguration.
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Both Hillary and Jeb are finding out that we little people do not connect with royalty anymore than they connect with us.
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Wow, that's rich! So the reason why people don't like Hilary Clinton is because she's TOO popular.
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Unfortunately for Mrs. Clinton, concealing classified material, then lying about it is no laughing matter. Typical of the Clintons, she believes herself to be above the same laws for which General Petraeus saw his distinguished career ruined. How she went from no classified e-mails to four, then to sixty and climbing boggles the mind...especially when it is obvious she expects "air cover" from this administration.
This is a smug, arrogant and paranoid individual who cannot connect with the down to earth Midwestern citizen because of her phony persona. The harder she tries, the worse it goes over. When she is finished charming the little people, she runs to her private jet and returns to New York City, the land of the elite liberal, where she belongs.
All of this is about to come unravelled, of course, as she comes ever closer to facing federal charges. It is no wonder the Democrat leadership is in full spin mode and stampeded. They should have seen this coming.
This is a smug, arrogant and paranoid individual who cannot connect with the down to earth Midwestern citizen because of her phony persona. The harder she tries, the worse it goes over. When she is finished charming the little people, she runs to her private jet and returns to New York City, the land of the elite liberal, where she belongs.
All of this is about to come unravelled, of course, as she comes ever closer to facing federal charges. It is no wonder the Democrat leadership is in full spin mode and stampeded. They should have seen this coming.
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How she went from no classified e-mails to four, then to sixty and climbing boggles the mind.
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And now to "only" 305
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And now to "only" 305
Candidates should be chosen to be nominees based on their IQ's. Here's a ball-park guess: Hillary's is higher than all the candidates of both parties.
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Doubtful. Hillary's competition includes a brain surgeon, an eye doctor, and an accomplished lawyer. Hillary loses in the IQ test. She should try some other measure.
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Not a good idea, otherwise we'll end up with more of the like of the "brilliant" Henry Kissinger, war criminal.
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Since blacks and other minorities score lower on IQ tests, in general, than whites, that leaves you in the curious position of advocating a racist position.
BTW, if IQ were a reliable predictor of performance as President, Jimmy Carter would be on Mount Rushmore.
BTW, if IQ were a reliable predictor of performance as President, Jimmy Carter would be on Mount Rushmore.
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Maybe when they left the White House in a state of supposed near bankruptcy she could claim to be close to how ordinary people live. But now that her family's foundation fortune is reputedly over $100 million, has not driven a car for 20 years, etc, she is very clearly in the 1% and as such has to fake being 'of the people.'
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Aha! that's the litmus test for all candidates. One must get behind the wheel and show driving competence. Hillary may have forgotten how to put a car in gear. sShe might end up just revving the engine until it seizes like I hope her campaign does.
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In an interview with The New York Times Magazine, Sen. Sanders says, "We are moving rapidly toward an oligarchic form of society where a small number of families control not only the economy but our political system as well."
Given that the names Clinton and Bush have been saturating media coverage for so long, it's hard to argue with that, especially considering that before the Obama administration, those two families occupied the White House for 20 consecutive years. (And immediately before that, George H.W. Bush was vice president for eight years.)
So if Mrs. Clinton expects to relate to what she calls "everyday Americans," she'll first have to deal convincingly with the inescapable O-word. But so far, she hasn't.
Given that the names Clinton and Bush have been saturating media coverage for so long, it's hard to argue with that, especially considering that before the Obama administration, those two families occupied the White House for 20 consecutive years. (And immediately before that, George H.W. Bush was vice president for eight years.)
So if Mrs. Clinton expects to relate to what she calls "everyday Americans," she'll first have to deal convincingly with the inescapable O-word. But so far, she hasn't.
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Why do the opinions of Iowans count more than the opinions of people from Texas, New Jersey, Virginia, Maine? Why don't they mix things up every four years instead of going to the same old places over and over and over. It is insulting to the rest of the country.
Hillary is from the 1%. She loves the 1%. She supports big banks and the 1%. That's why she looks so uncomfortable in Iowa. Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, would look right at home.
Hillary is from the 1%. She loves the 1%. She supports big banks and the 1%. That's why she looks so uncomfortable in Iowa. Bernie Sanders, on the other hand, would look right at home.
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They don't. Iowa is just first. Most sane people ignore the show until well into next year. Lets me and you both do that.
Bernie Sanders may fit in with Iowans, but we live in a global community.
The focus is on Iowa because it is one of several bellwether states (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missouri_bellwether).
Iowans are heartland people. They can see through Hillary's smilin', lyin' false face, put on to pander for votes.
She really doesn't care for, or about, them.
Let me take that back. She cares only enough to do what it takes to get their vote, but she really doesn't care ABOUT them. She is a User.
She really doesn't care for, or about, them.
Let me take that back. She cares only enough to do what it takes to get their vote, but she really doesn't care ABOUT them. She is a User.
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And Trump claiming that the Bible is his favorite book is genuine and honest and certainly not an attempt at pandering. After all, he CARES about Iowans.
Thanks for the morning chuckle, hct.
Thanks for the morning chuckle, hct.
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No, she is a doer. HRC has given her life to public service, what have you done?
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Let me clarify. I meant to say:
"She really doesn't care for, or about, normal people."
"She really doesn't care for, or about, normal people."
HRC is the only candidate ready to be president, no internship. We cannot afford a newbie in the whitehouse, we need her ability to work the political system, stand toe to toe with other world leaders, and be the tough leader these times demand. She has given her life to working for the people of this country, it's about time we recognize her accomplishments and stop accusing her of things we know nothing about.
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Well, you know how the electorate is.
Republicans get a pass for lying the nation into a trumped-up, for-profit war, and for singlehandedly imploding the US economy, while Clinton, acting in accordance with law and procedure, puts e-mail on a private server and is cast as a criminal who should be tarred and feathered and put behind bars.
The lesson? Right wing propaganda works. Conquer it and the nation progresses.
Republicans get a pass for lying the nation into a trumped-up, for-profit war, and for singlehandedly imploding the US economy, while Clinton, acting in accordance with law and procedure, puts e-mail on a private server and is cast as a criminal who should be tarred and feathered and put behind bars.
The lesson? Right wing propaganda works. Conquer it and the nation progresses.
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it's about time we recognize her accomplishments and stop accusing her of things we know nothing about.
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What accomplishments would those be? Other than marrying an influential politician?
Two IGs and the FBI are the ones investigating her.
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What accomplishments would those be? Other than marrying an influential politician?
Two IGs and the FBI are the ones investigating her.
I would suggest you do your homework, and not ask others to do it for you. As to the investigations, we know where they came from...you are much too simplistic.
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Voting Iowans are smarter than to let the Clinton glitz get in the way of reality. Hillary has as nothing in common with the people of Iowa. She obviously believes they are too dumb to know when they are being hoodwinked. Can you see Hillary eating a corn dog, watching a prize hog competition, or talking with farmers about the price of feed? The Iowa state fair is a much fun for her as a root canal procedure.
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But Trump?
Yes, yes, the people in Iowa have *much* in common with him, with their billions and their commercial-sized airplanes and their hotels and casinos and four ex-wives and six kids and TV shows and...
Another swing and a miss, Paul.
Yes, yes, the people in Iowa have *much* in common with him, with their billions and their commercial-sized airplanes and their hotels and casinos and four ex-wives and six kids and TV shows and...
Another swing and a miss, Paul.
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What does that have to do with whether she would be a good president?
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Mrs. Clinton's falsehood is that she claims to be one of them. A democrat of the people and for the people. That is not a claim or a posture taken by Trump.
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re "... in 2008, when she spent lavishly to win the caucuses but shunned the type of retail-style politicking that Iowans demand":
"To win"? For the record, she finished third, behind both Barack Obama and John Edwards.
It isn't so much her celebrity, in and of itself, that's off-putting as it is a personality that comes across as scripted and robotic. A sincerity gap, if you will. And at nearly 68 years old, it's hard to imagine how that would suddenly change.
"To win"? For the record, she finished third, behind both Barack Obama and John Edwards.
It isn't so much her celebrity, in and of itself, that's off-putting as it is a personality that comes across as scripted and robotic. A sincerity gap, if you will. And at nearly 68 years old, it's hard to imagine how that would suddenly change.
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[[it is a personality that comes across as scripted and robotic.]]
Yes, precisely.
Last time around she tried to show how "enthusiastic" she was by yelling louder.
Yes, precisely.
Last time around she tried to show how "enthusiastic" she was by yelling louder.
Hillary's problem in connecting to voters is not the "layers of staff and security," and her greatest obstacle is not the "questions about her email account."
Hillary's main problem and main obstacle is herself, and the way she presents herself. She must have decided that emulating Queen Elizabeth is the way to go.
Her manner in speeches seems to have progressed from distant to regal; she dismisses the email issues--who cares if sensitive government documents were out of government monitoring, and copied to a private company in Colorado?-- with a royal "It was easier for me this way;" and perhaps she doesn't read the news, to know why "Black lives matter" should not be appropriated to "All lives matter."
Hillary's problem is that she comes across as a smug and happy member of the top 1%. Probably because she is. And this is a moment when America may be looking for something else.
Hillary's main problem and main obstacle is herself, and the way she presents herself. She must have decided that emulating Queen Elizabeth is the way to go.
Her manner in speeches seems to have progressed from distant to regal; she dismisses the email issues--who cares if sensitive government documents were out of government monitoring, and copied to a private company in Colorado?-- with a royal "It was easier for me this way;" and perhaps she doesn't read the news, to know why "Black lives matter" should not be appropriated to "All lives matter."
Hillary's problem is that she comes across as a smug and happy member of the top 1%. Probably because she is. And this is a moment when America may be looking for something else.
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Her problem is her discomfort with herself. She's probably spent most of her life being told that everything she does is wrong and the American culture that rewards celebrity over substance doesn't help any. She'll never come across as warm and fuzzy and she falls flat on her face when she tries to come across that way.
She deplored being at the fair and it is obvious. Her problem isn't that she can't connect with commoners. Her problem is she doesn't want to and she can't hide it.
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Everyone says she is warm and likable when you speak with her, but more to the point, it's irrelevant. There is not one positive thing about her in the press. Ever. The media is absolutely out to excoriate her and create a narrative, the woman can't get a break. The media is relentless in their pursuit to show there's a there there or at least the perception there is, including this outlet. There is no " liberal" media for her. Her rotten luck even MSNBC has decided to to be CNN so their coverage is nonstop negative on her (Morning Joe is like Fox & Friends). Both all tv and radio just wants to prop up Bernie so there's a race to discuss when he has about as much chance of being elected President as I do. Nonstop Clinton bashing.
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I just hope she can break thru it. I am reading her book and she is marvelous. Genuine, thoughtful, balanced-- everything all her opponents are not. Why is this country so misogynistic. It's sad. But the day will change. It just may not be now, sadly.
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And you think she wrote a book? Good luck with thathfairy tale wonder who the real ghost author is?
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[[uofcenglish wilmette Why is this country so misogynistic.]]
I think Elizabeth Warren would generate a groundswell of support.
I think Elizabeth Warren would generate a groundswell of support.
Many Americans desperately want to see a woman in the White House. But as the election process ramps up, they are beginning to seriously question whether Mrs. Clinton is that woman. A President who can be trusted to stand up for woman’s issues should be more important than his or her gender.
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The painfully obvious question is, why demand a woman? Why demand a minority? Why demand a LGBT? Why demand any of these things? The need for leadership, experience and competence is paramount, and the hope is no other attribute disqualfies a candidate - but to single out a woman for the candidate is both foolish and counterproductive.
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Hillary Clinton simply espouses the same old liberal rhetoric and programs. Her appeal will be that she will carry on the Obama programs and mantra. In short she represents the 3rd term of Obama. While I do not believe that she is a criminal or does anything blatantly illegal, she is a sleazy political hack, who lies to boot.
I cannot imagine her as President, especially when there Sanders and Trump are clearly representing the majority of people who do not want the same old political scenarios, do-nothing congress, special interest before voter interests, and the litany goes on and on.
Hillary Clinton represents the old political system, as do so many of the Republican candidates. Unfortunately, there are no viable alternatives to her, so it will be interesting to see how voters feel about her as the "layers come off the onion" regarding her imperialism as the election draws near.
I cannot imagine her as President, especially when there Sanders and Trump are clearly representing the majority of people who do not want the same old political scenarios, do-nothing congress, special interest before voter interests, and the litany goes on and on.
Hillary Clinton represents the old political system, as do so many of the Republican candidates. Unfortunately, there are no viable alternatives to her, so it will be interesting to see how voters feel about her as the "layers come off the onion" regarding her imperialism as the election draws near.
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Hopefully, she'll be a real liberal instead of the pathetic, center-right, neo-liberal, spineless Obama being W's 3rd and 4th terms.
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Why doesn't Mrs. Clinton just work around these small states with their idiosyncratic voters, given these unavoidable barriers due to security needs and her celebrity status? She could conduct her campaign on a larger scale in the big states and still be successful. It's an impossible task for someone like her to appear authentic in such settings no matter how much food-on-a-stick you pose with.
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You are right "t's an impossible task for someone like her to appear authentic in such settings no matter" OH how true, how true, a prison setting is waiting or a bullet if not both. with her disregard for classified information how many died and who wants revenge. This woman is a real piece of work. A mean shrew period.
But she does, you can see her smugness and uppity attitude.
But she does, you can see her smugness and uppity attitude.
If Hillary can discipline her ego, she should ask her husband to regularly campaign with her, thus distracting the media from it's email obsession while the most capable campaigner of our times is out on the hustings. Only this will ensure that the Republicans, led by the policy-free Trump, will get back to attacking each other as the next Republican (and Democratic) debate looms. When Hillary becomes president, Bill could be named UN Ambassador or a Cabinet Secretary if he and she wishes.
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@Darkmirror: "When Hillary becomes president, Bill could be named UN Ambassador or a Cabinet Secretary if he and she wishes."
You've been watching too much "House of Cards"- they already used that storyline last season....
You've been watching too much "House of Cards"- they already used that storyline last season....
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Sorry, I''ve never seen that show, but then you're talking TV unreality, I'm talking reality: the same confusion Trump has every day.
The press informs us that Clinton will eventually be the candidate, she is wealthy, has celebrity, and is known by all. We are also told she is aloof, is secretive, and some possible scandal is always close behind her.
The press tells us that Sanders is supported by white, educated, progressives and he attracts big crowds, We are also informed, blue color whites, more conservative Democrats, and black and brown folks will not vote for him.
What the press tells us may be true. But is it the job of the press to summarize before the election? In a democracy, the electorate needs to hear and decide on what each voter weighs as good for the country and good for him or herself. Democracy simply doesn't work when the press fulfills a role of prophet, whose predications are often fulfilled because it impacts voter behavior as studies have shown. A journalist should describe and report in election years. The press is simply too powerful for a democratic process to take place at the moment. Allow the voter to decide, to think, to listen, without inadvertently altering behavior. That is the only way democracy really works, all else is sham. Please, we are a beautiful people and country, let us decide!
The press tells us that Sanders is supported by white, educated, progressives and he attracts big crowds, We are also informed, blue color whites, more conservative Democrats, and black and brown folks will not vote for him.
What the press tells us may be true. But is it the job of the press to summarize before the election? In a democracy, the electorate needs to hear and decide on what each voter weighs as good for the country and good for him or herself. Democracy simply doesn't work when the press fulfills a role of prophet, whose predications are often fulfilled because it impacts voter behavior as studies have shown. A journalist should describe and report in election years. The press is simply too powerful for a democratic process to take place at the moment. Allow the voter to decide, to think, to listen, without inadvertently altering behavior. That is the only way democracy really works, all else is sham. Please, we are a beautiful people and country, let us decide!
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Paul Schneider: It is the problem of the press, Paul - it is the uninformedness and low critical thinking skills of the great majority of the voting populace. They simply do not have the time nor the interest to spend any time thinking about the candidates for our next President when there are just so many *interesting* things going on with the Kardashians. Wow, look at that Caitlyn...
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Let's face it Hillary is plastic, aloof and unapproachable. Just look at the photo in this article. Hillary is faking it and not enjoying her encounters with the folks. Hillary prefers to stick to her celebrity friends and is only out there with the working class because she has to get their votes in order to become the first woman President of this country.
Hillary is not the person we want in the White House. She punched her ticket via her carpetbagger position as a NY Senator who had no significant legislation to her credit. Then Hillary punched her ticket as a single term Secretary of State with no major foreign policy bur rather acted as the "Welcome Wagon" lady visiting many countries at taxpayers' expense. Then there is Benghazi as well as those e-mails. Any Clinton in the White House would be a bad mistake.
Hillary is not the person we want in the White House. She punched her ticket via her carpetbagger position as a NY Senator who had no significant legislation to her credit. Then Hillary punched her ticket as a single term Secretary of State with no major foreign policy bur rather acted as the "Welcome Wagon" lady visiting many countries at taxpayers' expense. Then there is Benghazi as well as those e-mails. Any Clinton in the White House would be a bad mistake.
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I completely agree with you and want to add one more...
HRC would not be anywhere near the White House if it weren't for Bill Clinton. Voters who support her are asking for a third term for Bill.
She is not presidential material but has passed the test to support the wealth of the corporations and their investors.
As a woman, I would love to see a woman president for once, but it's not HRC.
Good enough is not good enough for me!
HRC would not be anywhere near the White House if it weren't for Bill Clinton. Voters who support her are asking for a third term for Bill.
She is not presidential material but has passed the test to support the wealth of the corporations and their investors.
As a woman, I would love to see a woman president for once, but it's not HRC.
Good enough is not good enough for me!
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She continues her tone-deafness by making a joke about Snapchat and disappearing messages.
Her use of the private email account as Sec. of State was, at the very least, arrogant, presumptuous, and a bit paranoid -- if not illegal. It certainly violated the spirit, if not the letter, of the law to which other federal employees are held, and even disciplined for violating. Yet she held herself above it all.
It is this insularity, arrogance, entitlement, and cluelessness about the appearance of her actions and words that so turns off even numerous Democrats (including me) and independents I know. Many say that they simply will not vote for her.
She reminds me of Richard Nixon in a pantsuit in her paranoia, secrecy, and arrogance. If people like the Dems and Indys I know (and me) won't go for her, she has a huge problem (especially in a swing state like Virginia).
Her use of the private email account as Sec. of State was, at the very least, arrogant, presumptuous, and a bit paranoid -- if not illegal. It certainly violated the spirit, if not the letter, of the law to which other federal employees are held, and even disciplined for violating. Yet she held herself above it all.
It is this insularity, arrogance, entitlement, and cluelessness about the appearance of her actions and words that so turns off even numerous Democrats (including me) and independents I know. Many say that they simply will not vote for her.
She reminds me of Richard Nixon in a pantsuit in her paranoia, secrecy, and arrogance. If people like the Dems and Indys I know (and me) won't go for her, she has a huge problem (especially in a swing state like Virginia).
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BTW, even worse (IMO) than keeping her private email server is her decision to arrogate to herself deciding what emails to delete. This violates every principle of sound and ethical records management under the Federal Records Act and related statutes and regulations.
She is so far over the line here, ethically and (IMO) legally, that it disqualifies her from consideration for my vote.
She is so far over the line here, ethically and (IMO) legally, that it disqualifies her from consideration for my vote.
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I"m a card-carrying liberal and a woman. Hilary Clinton is so completely out of touch, so completely willing to "evolve" to the flavor of the day that I instantly discount anything she says. I do not and will never trust her and her outright blatant disregard to the law is insulting at best.
I will absolutely never vote for her. Ever. Her Presidency would be four years of scandals. The Clinton Foundation, the email scandal and Benghazi are sign posts of what will come should her coronation take place.
I will absolutely never vote for her. Ever. Her Presidency would be four years of scandals. The Clinton Foundation, the email scandal and Benghazi are sign posts of what will come should her coronation take place.
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As soon as her campaign started, I started listening to her speeches. She is a terrible speaker, and does not even make eye contact. She does not connect with the voters, frequently avoids answering questions (à la Carly Fiorina). She comes across as arrogant when it comes to not answering questions about email-gate.
And what is Huma doing in that picture? She should be invisible when Hillary is out working the crowds. Ridiculous that this woman who was Secretary of State needs to have her aide and confidante with her while working the crowds at the Iowa State Fair.
And what is Huma doing in that picture? She should be invisible when Hillary is out working the crowds. Ridiculous that this woman who was Secretary of State needs to have her aide and confidante with her while working the crowds at the Iowa State Fair.
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I understand that Secret Service must accompany Mrs. Clinton but why so much "staff"? Let Mrs. Clinton meet the people. The staff can stand back twenty feet, watch and learn if Mrs. Clinton can be authentic.
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Watching the candidates try, once more, to win over crowds in Iowa, I think that our prolonged campaign season (as opposed to a brief and otherwise restrained one in England, among others) is bad for democracy. It doesn't matter if candidates admire a butter cow sculpture, it matters if they understand our bread-and-butter-issues! There is more than a year until the election, and the candidates are trying to schmooze with residents, rather than hone their platforms. This is commercialism more than representative governance.
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"candidates are trying to schmooze with residents, rather than hone their platforms"
Eh... their platforms are handed to them by their owner/operators. At best they would be honing their attempt to sell to voters the marching orders they've already received.
Eh... their platforms are handed to them by their owner/operators. At best they would be honing their attempt to sell to voters the marching orders they've already received.
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I believe that the Democrats against Republican candidates is a side show. They can't be too hard on each other, because they have the same corporate-banker-MIC owners. But it doesn't matter who will win, to the owners, because they will have their puppet, of either party. And that is why I can't take national elections seriously. We, the people, will lose either way. It's just a matter of degrees.
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I work for a bank in IT (looking after servers and issues related to them). Though I do not deal with customer information, it boggles the mind that somebody in the upper echelons of government would consider using personal email to conduct public business and not just personal email but a personal server sitting in an unsecured location somewhere. For the bank, forwarding something as innocuous as a fantasy football draft order from my work email to personal email is frowned upon and what Hillary Clinton did would be grounds for immediate dismissal. Even if she had nothing to hide or didn't somehow 'get rid' of information, It's not trivial as many are trying to make it out to be. And I actually happen to like Hillary Clinton but can't imagine ever voting for someone with such poor judgement.
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I also work in IT and have no doubts that I, or anyone I work with, would be fired and likely criminally prosecuted for these actions. It's beyond the pale to consider this "routine" at all.
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It's "routine" if you consider yourself the queen so normal rules don't apply to you.
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Hillary Clinton followed the email practice of the previous secretaries of state, except that she shared a server with a former president. And she saved her work-related emails, in contrast to her predecessors who did not. (And why are you saying she should be fired for sending personal messages on her personal account?)
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No mention of the fact that she didn't bother to speak at the soapbox? If she wants to connect with Iowans, that seems like a must. And using the CNN poll to say she "currently" leads Sanders in Iowa seems a bit odd, considering the Iowa State Fair straw poll is available and shows Sanders with a 13 point lead. Is it possible that you didn't bother to do any kind of journalism when writing this article? Or was this one just paid for by the Clinton campaign?
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Spot-on comment. This article is nothing more that a puff piece the Clintons ordered/wanted.
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Come on! We are not stupid out here in the hustings. There is nothing wrong with her emails, past or present. And we've all read that past Secretaries of Stae, quite logically, maintained private servers. Nothing sneaky about it. It's a non-stpry. And Benghazi! Good heavens! Long ago refuted, kept alive by the political right wingers, far beyond the point when it became settled as nonsense. The truth is no secret: Mrs. Clinton is not only by far the best qualified, most experienced candidate, but a woman whose record reveals a consistent concern for the oppressed, and for vulnerable women and children everywhere. She isn't aloof, but she has a commendable sense of herself as an independent human being with clear ideas. She is obviously at ease socially, converses pleasantly, yet possesses the gravitas she would need as President, head of state, chief executive, and commander in chief! She is not anybody's Huckabee, and certainly does not resemble in any way the Koch puppet Walker, She remains the very competent, intelligent Hillary Rodham Clinton. She is the best candidate out there. I will have every confidence in voting for her to be President of this country.
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There is nothing normal or routine about what Ms. Clinton did with regard to classified data. Nothing at all. To be dismissive about this is completely disingenuous and intellectually dishonest.
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Benghazi, refuted? When exactly?
I am still waiting for the answer as to why the administration blames the attack on a video long after they knew that was a lie. Barack?, Hillary? Vallerie? Anybody?
"crickets"
I am still waiting for the answer as to why the administration blames the attack on a video long after they knew that was a lie. Barack?, Hillary? Vallerie? Anybody?
"crickets"
Mrs. Clinton followed the practices of past secretaries of state in using personal email, and in contrast to them, saved her work-related emails and turned them over to the State Department for archiving. There is now a dispute between the State Department and the intelligence community over what should be released publicly, which is not unusual. There are some news outlets which are reporting these facts accurately.
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I do not see Hillary as a warm personality and so she will have a hard time connecting with commoners.
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On the other hand, she can share the deep fat-fried, gravy filled, Twinkie barbecue on a stick with her entire entourage.
Seriously, Iowa - what's with the "Eat my artery-hardening death sentence pig burger or I won't vote for you!" sadism? How about offering some veggie stir-fry? An African sweet potato and peanut stew? Some pasta primavera? Or a chef salad? Quit the cardiac hazing and show some class!
Seriously, Iowa - what's with the "Eat my artery-hardening death sentence pig burger or I won't vote for you!" sadism? How about offering some veggie stir-fry? An African sweet potato and peanut stew? Some pasta primavera? Or a chef salad? Quit the cardiac hazing and show some class!
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Celebrity status certainly hasn't prevented Donald Trump from connecting with voters. Hillary Clinton's problem connecting with voters is not due to her celebrity; it's due to the, probably correct, perception that she's something that rhymes with "witch."
Clearly, the Democrats have placed their bets on the wrong horse for the 2016 race. They dearly wish they had a better candidate, but unfortunately, Hillary's all they've got.
Clearly, the Democrats have placed their bets on the wrong horse for the 2016 race. They dearly wish they had a better candidate, but unfortunately, Hillary's all they've got.
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Wrong. We have Bernie.
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Do Americans want a President who connects or who can lead? This is not the high school elections we're talking about.
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We want a President who stands for something in terms of
clear solutions to issues and works toward these solutions
over a political life time: like Bernie Sanders. Clinton blows
with the political/moneyed pressure. She is totally fake,
from her smiles and gabbing with citizens to her so-called
relationship with Bill. She is self-interested not interested in
the problems of middle class Americans.
clear solutions to issues and works toward these solutions
over a political life time: like Bernie Sanders. Clinton blows
with the political/moneyed pressure. She is totally fake,
from her smiles and gabbing with citizens to her so-called
relationship with Bill. She is self-interested not interested in
the problems of middle class Americans.
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Why isnt the presence of Huma Abedin to the right of HC mentioned in the lead picture? Not being srmaky but given the topic of the acticle about HC being surrounded by helpers, it seems....odd.
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I agree. It's curious. It may not be a significant oversight, but Ms Abedin is a recognizable figure to many readers and I expected her to be mentioned below the picture.
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Hillary is still keeping her close! It struck me as odd too since their legal positions vis-a-vis the emails may diverge. For now, however, they are a united front, so I wonder if the Clinton's have convinced her it's if better they protect her.
"Only Bernie Sanders is approachable/pure/trustworthy/honest" (he will be crushed by the Koch, Fox News machine among ill informed, uninterested voters, a large segment among us)
"I would rather have a Republican President before I vote for Mrs. Clinton".
It's a miracle Mrs. Clinton still has some support (around 45%, more than any other candidate). Yet she would loose against several Republicans according to Fox. I guess I have to prepare for another Republican administration. Should I remind everybody it will be anti-education, anti-poor, anti-women, anti-science, anti-government, pro-rich. pro-war, pro-religion, etc. etc. etc.?
"I would rather have a Republican President before I vote for Mrs. Clinton".
It's a miracle Mrs. Clinton still has some support (around 45%, more than any other candidate). Yet she would loose against several Republicans according to Fox. I guess I have to prepare for another Republican administration. Should I remind everybody it will be anti-education, anti-poor, anti-women, anti-science, anti-government, pro-rich. pro-war, pro-religion, etc. etc. etc.?
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""Only Bernie Sanders is approachable/pure/trustworthy/honest" (he will be crushed by the Koch, Fox News machine among ill informed, uninterested voters, a large segment among us)"
According to current polls, no he wouldn't. The argument "accept Hillary or a Republican wins" is a demonstrably false dichotomy. Among other things, Sanders' unfavorability rating is much lower than Clinton's.
According to current polls, no he wouldn't. The argument "accept Hillary or a Republican wins" is a demonstrably false dichotomy. Among other things, Sanders' unfavorability rating is much lower than Clinton's.
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Sanders also polls as well against the Repubs as Clinton does.
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Fox predicted a Romney landslide. So much for Fox.
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The skill sets of a candidate are different than the skill sets needed to be President. She is a policy wonk with a keen understanding of Washington, this works against her in the campaigns but will help her to govern. I don't know why we put so much ado about Iowa, we should start the show in California, where a candidate would have to do more than promise to support ethanol fuel.
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The ability to 'sell' a position or policy directly to the voter is a key skill. Hillary is missing this essential quality.
I am not even so sure a substantiated case can be made for her policy acumen. Dare I raise the disasters of 'Arab Spring' and 'Russian Restart'?
I am not even so sure a substantiated case can be made for her policy acumen. Dare I raise the disasters of 'Arab Spring' and 'Russian Restart'?
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Your simplistic condescension of Iowa from your California bubble is further evidence that Iowa is the perfect place to start the presidential selection process.
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Wishful thinking, Jeff and a bit provincial. Iowa ranks near the top in voter turnout and the highest SAT scores in the U.S. The country has outsourced candidate screening to a smaller state with the time and interest to do the task.
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Clinton's awkwardness is an amusing diversion in the campaign, but wait until the general election. How much enthusiasm will she generate to get people to go to the polls?
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There is no awkwardness. Next framed narrative please.
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Hillary will never survive a debate with a Rupub without a melt-down of epic proportions. Wait and see.
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In the general, there will be plenty who will come out who will wish to avoid the disaster of a Trump, third Bush, or Walker campaign.
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Hillary the Hawk, darling of Wall Street, has support that is a mile wide and an inch deep. She supports the policies that favor the economic elite while spewing platitudes about the middle class. Bernie Sanders is everything she is not - authentic, principled and charismatic. He supports policies that are actually those supported by the majority of Americans. He's gaining on HRC while the corporate media is doing everything it can to ignore him.
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I'd hoped the ideologically pure might have matured a tad but I see they still need to envision their candidate as a messiah and demonize the opponent.
Thanks for 2014 guys.
Thanks for 2014 guys.
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Can you actually name "the policies that favor the economic elite" that she has come out to support in your vivid imagination? Lay them out here for all to see and know.
Darling of Wall St? I'd ask them, I'm sure anyone of the Kochbots on the right rank much, much, higher up on that list. And if Sanders miraculously pulls off the nomination - and good for him if he does - let's see how long he holds out taking money you will consider tainted. You better hope he does if you don't want to see him get bulldozed big time.
Darling of Wall St? I'd ask them, I'm sure anyone of the Kochbots on the right rank much, much, higher up on that list. And if Sanders miraculously pulls off the nomination - and good for him if he does - let's see how long he holds out taking money you will consider tainted. You better hope he does if you don't want to see him get bulldozed big time.
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We are only "ideologically pure" in that we believe in supporting and enabling our Constitution, and a return to the rule of law. By return to the rule of law, that means for banksters, Wall Street thieves, politicians and police, as well as our military in international conflict.
I guess that is too "pure" for you who would rather make excuses for our criminal politicians, and their (likewise) appointees.
I guess that is too "pure" for you who would rather make excuses for our criminal politicians, and their (likewise) appointees.
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For the love of god, will the Dems please come up with a better candidate! She's in very big trouble.
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She is getting the attention she deserves. Does anyone here doubt that if they did exactly the same thing Hillary Rodham Clinton did with regard to their handling of classified data, that armed federal agents would have already kicked in their door, placed them in handcuffs, seized every piece of electronic equipment in your home, and held them responsible for their crimes? Any doubt at all??
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If we can't draft Elizabeth Warren, how about Kirsten Gillibrand?
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Had she not brought Emma Sulkowitz to the State of the Union address, that would be feasible. But it is no longer.
"...climbed into a sport utility vehicle that took her to a private plane destined for Martha’s Vineyard off Massachusetts."
And I had to take my shoes off to get on a plane the last vacation I was able to take 7 years ago.
Until our politicians are forced to endure the challenges of us commoners, they'll never connect with us in any meaningful way. At least Bernie Sanders somewhat gets it, even though a vote for him is a lost cause.
And I had to take my shoes off to get on a plane the last vacation I was able to take 7 years ago.
Until our politicians are forced to endure the challenges of us commoners, they'll never connect with us in any meaningful way. At least Bernie Sanders somewhat gets it, even though a vote for him is a lost cause.
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By contrast, Bernie Sanders mostly travels coach class on commercial airlines, and carries his own bags, just like hoi polloi. If anything, his biggest problem has been that he's *too* accessible: BlackLivesMatter protesters have tried and failed to get into events for Clinton and Jeb! Bush.
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And Sec. Clinton took time to speak with them about their campaign. And your point is? So how about you look at the whole picture?
"forced to endure the challenges"
How in the world do you imagine that would work?
BTW, HRC grew up as pretty much a commoner. Unlike Jeb!, for instance.
How in the world do you imagine that would work?
BTW, HRC grew up as pretty much a commoner. Unlike Jeb!, for instance.
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1. If Ms. Clinton can not find a way to connect directly with voters then she deserves to lose the Democratic primary. I am smart enough to come up with ways to do this. Example: don't tell the press you are going to a small town in Iowa and just go there and meet with people instead of flying off Martha's Vineyard.
2. The "email controversy" is one invented by the Republican machine. The corporate media loves "scandals" like this, not ones like how the 1% control the campaign process with their big money and direct contact with the candidate.
2. The "email controversy" is one invented by the Republican machine. The corporate media loves "scandals" like this, not ones like how the 1% control the campaign process with their big money and direct contact with the candidate.
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The Republicans have been spewing lies about Hillary since Bill Clinton first took office. She is talented, kind, and committed to improving ordinary families. But it sounds as if even the Democrats have bought into the Republican spin -- I am sure they are happy to hear all this Hillary bashing.
Her policies do not favor the rich, but she sure has to deal with them to get elected.
There is nothing wrong with Bernie Sanders. I admire him. It's just that most people in the US haven't heard of him and will go hysterical when he says he is a socialist. If Hillary doesn't win the nomination, the Republicans will win the presidency. Democrats need to get over the Republican spin and look at the facts of Hillary's life.
Her policies do not favor the rich, but she sure has to deal with them to get elected.
There is nothing wrong with Bernie Sanders. I admire him. It's just that most people in the US haven't heard of him and will go hysterical when he says he is a socialist. If Hillary doesn't win the nomination, the Republicans will win the presidency. Democrats need to get over the Republican spin and look at the facts of Hillary's life.
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You wouldn't know it from this article, but she did indeed connect with voters--and very well at that. Next time, don't trust the Times--go to Iowa yourself and see.
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Hillary is the quintessential darling of "Big Money." The email scandal is a legitimate concern, and Hillary has been known for her shady dealings.
The 1% don't want Hillary's ship to sink because she represents everything that the 0.1% is. Liberal sheep with cognitive dissonance are ignoring the email debacle.
GO BERNIE -- the ONLY serious candidate running for President of the United States.
The 1% don't want Hillary's ship to sink because she represents everything that the 0.1% is. Liberal sheep with cognitive dissonance are ignoring the email debacle.
GO BERNIE -- the ONLY serious candidate running for President of the United States.
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My impression is that Hillary's base is flawed and cracked, that the Democrats would like someone else to step up. Hillary does not come across to me as an honest person. Bernie absolutely could take the lead in Iowa, he is already leading in New Hampshire. The voters are tired of the Bushes and the Clinton's. It is time for some new blood and new ideas to take the helm of the ship of State. There is still a lot of time before the first primary.
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The problem is - if you're "tired of the Bushes and the Clintons", and you think that's the recipe that will launch Sanders in the WH, you're going to end up with a Bush. And folks like you will own him.
The republican party is just practically giddy over a Sanders nomination - keeping their powder dry for now - but they know it means huge coattails in congress and totally opens the door for a WH win by almost anyone that gets out of the clown car first. A landslide win. Worse than McGovern's loss in 72. You will be hearing your new republican president squawking about their huge mandate to run roughshod over everything and anything with a rubber-stamp congress on hyper-drive. They will personally thank you.
The republican party is just practically giddy over a Sanders nomination - keeping their powder dry for now - but they know it means huge coattails in congress and totally opens the door for a WH win by almost anyone that gets out of the clown car first. A landslide win. Worse than McGovern's loss in 72. You will be hearing your new republican president squawking about their huge mandate to run roughshod over everything and anything with a rubber-stamp congress on hyper-drive. They will personally thank you.
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Here's my request: can the Times go one day without a snarky article about Hillary Clinton? She may not have eaten the chicken wings? Do you honestly think Donal Trump et al. devour the local delicacies put in front of them? Yes, HRC is rich; so are most of the other candidates. She flew off to the Vineyard? Yes, for Vernon Jordan's eightieth birthday party.
I am so tired of the Times's endlessly nasty coverage of Clinton. She is not perfect as a person or as a candidate. But she is a hugely accomplished woman with serious ideas for address the nation's problems, and she deserves better than the middle school mean-girl coverage she gets from the supposed newspaper of record.
I am ashamed for you.
I am so tired of the Times's endlessly nasty coverage of Clinton. She is not perfect as a person or as a candidate. But she is a hugely accomplished woman with serious ideas for address the nation's problems, and she deserves better than the middle school mean-girl coverage she gets from the supposed newspaper of record.
I am ashamed for you.
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Ah, so the criticism of NYT reporting is allowed by the NYT moderators. You just have to be criticizing the NYT from the left. Got it.
No wonder this place is such a boring echo chamber.
No wonder this place is such a boring echo chamber.
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I too find the NYT coverage of Hillary to be consistently biased and "suspicious" in ways that are different from coverage of the other candidates. The magazine article about her proved, to my mind, why she might not be thrilled to give "exclusives" to the Times. The author seemed unable to get over the fact that he wasn't "special," so he trashed her and littered her with "doubts." Most Americans don't judge candidates primarily on how they treat the press. Please get over yourselves! Learn to be fair to HC.
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....and if she hadn't flown off to Massachusetts the headline would have read: "Hillary Ditches Jordan's 80th."
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"Conservative" witch hunters are the only ones who care about e-mails. Don't let them fool us again with their lies. Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton will be the next President of the United States of America because she is the MOST QUALIFIED PERSON - AND SHE IS A WOMAN.
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Why does the fact that she's a woman matter all that much? Carly Fiorina is a woman too, but that doesn't mean she'd be good for women.
Also, her biggest challenger right now is somebody with nearly 4 decades of experience in Congress. While Clinton's work as first lady, senator, and secretary of state definitely matters, Sanders' work as mayor, congressman, and senator also matters.
Also, her biggest challenger right now is somebody with nearly 4 decades of experience in Congress. While Clinton's work as first lady, senator, and secretary of state definitely matters, Sanders' work as mayor, congressman, and senator also matters.
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Trust me, Dave K, it matters that she is a woman. It is time for socially conscious women around the world to step up and take over at least one-half of leadership because our male-dominated model is working only for the wealthiest who want constant chaos and war to keep their "treasure chests" full. I love Senator Sanders but 40 years in Congress does not put him on a par with a self-made, Stanford University educated person who has worked as a social-justice attorney, occupied the White House where she met international leaders, worked around the world for empowerment of women, served as Secretary of State and myriad other accomplishments. All Ms. Fiorini did was destroy a BIG corporation and the lives of the 30,000 people she laid off and she is definitely not socially-conscious.
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Why does it matter that she's a woman? You're kidding, right, Dave? How many women have been elected President before? See a pattern there? Or perhaps you think that is coincidence...
What did the candidate know about the chicken wings and when did she know it?
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Tom Harkin didn't not officially endorse Hillary in 2007 prior to the 1/3/08 Iowa caucus, however his wife Ruth did and Ruth along with Tom Vilsack and his wife Christie were at almost every campaign stop with Hillary. The message was clear Tom Harkin is supporting Hillary, but after the blowback from endorsing Howard Dean in 2003 before the 2004 caucus (when Dean's campaign was slipping in the polls) Harkin made a decision not to officially endorse before the caucus. The fact Tom Harkin endorsed Hillary speaks more to his concern that Hillary is in trouble.
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Tom Harkin, the Senator from Iowa who lives in the Bahamas, has absolutely no sway with Iowa voters anymore.
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All reporting on the next election is hugely ignoring the vastness of Clinton Fatigue, which is saturating America. And "The Donald" and Jeb!(??) are the best of the "Ship of Fools" group?
Methinks there's a surging Tsunami of discontent with the public's perception of what'll be offered to us in November of 2016 - we've sat at that table too many times with the same old food. Americans are hungry for something else, what that'll be remains to be seen...
Methinks there's a surging Tsunami of discontent with the public's perception of what'll be offered to us in November of 2016 - we've sat at that table too many times with the same old food. Americans are hungry for something else, what that'll be remains to be seen...
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Last couple times I've listened to Hillary Clinton speak it sounds like she has Clinton Fatigue.
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I hear you but Elizabeth Warren was a good "tonic" against the usual political press messages and the USA public largely wasnt interested in what she had to say. And she was very populist and pro-working class in ideology.
Unfortunately there are many Americans who really care most about guns and "terror wars," and that is what keeps USA politics percolating year to year.
Unfortunately there are many Americans who really care most about guns and "terror wars," and that is what keeps USA politics percolating year to year.
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Let's hope the strategy of the "Ready for Hillary" campaign starting way too early will be a fatal mistake.
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Celebrity gets in the way? I don't think that's the issue. Connection between people involves some level of trust. Mrs. Clinton trusts nobody, and a dwindling minority of voters trusts Mrs. Clinton. That mutual distrust prevents any hope of "connection", not her celebrity.
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NYT puts the chicken before the egg. She is unapproachable because she deliberately insulates herself the layers of staff and security. Warm and personable she is not.
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Hogwash.
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And which of the USA Presidential candidates do you personally "trust"? Good luck with your search on that particular quest. Most of the candidates are startlingly dull-headed. I cannot listen to them speak about politics without my jaw dropping to the floor. Be careful what you look for in a candidate.
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But he added that Mrs. Clinton’s 2016 campaign in Iowa was “doing everything right.”
With respect to the former senator from Iowa, he really should read more if he thinks Hillary is doing anything right -- anywhere on the planet. With 320 million people in the US, how is it possible that we only have the current cast of characters, from both parties, to choose from? The 2016 election is shaping up to be a national embarrassment.
With respect to the former senator from Iowa, he really should read more if he thinks Hillary is doing anything right -- anywhere on the planet. With 320 million people in the US, how is it possible that we only have the current cast of characters, from both parties, to choose from? The 2016 election is shaping up to be a national embarrassment.
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You want more candidates? Isn't the current process enough of a circus for you? Mrs. Clinton is supposed to connect with the average voter with a swarm of news media following her, who will cattily report on what she eats and what she says and find all the negative comments they can among those trying to speak with her. What a way to choose a president!
Wait a minute, I thought Hillary was really in touch with Johnny Punchclock and Eddie Lunchpail?
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A message for Hillary aka “Queen of Darkness, Deceit, Lies, & Murder” aka HildaBeast of WhiteWater & Benghazi & E-mail Fame, along with Crazy Joe, Jose’ Rubio, 60% Passing Grade Jeb Bush, Alcoholic Perry, and Debt-Ridden Walker: When does truth matter?
"It's about keeping foreign nationals who have no inherent right to enter the United States out of our country," Retired INS Agent Cutler added. "We do this as civilians, as ordinary citizens — and we look through the peephole before letting strangers into our homes."
"It's about keeping foreign nationals who have no inherent right to enter the United States out of our country," Retired INS Agent Cutler added. "We do this as civilians, as ordinary citizens — and we look through the peephole before letting strangers into our homes."
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