ISIS Is Suspected of a Chemical Attack Against Kurds in Syria

Aug 15, 2015 · 74 comments
Stephen Rinsler (Arden, NC)
Why "American" (U.S.) action?

In regional affairs, the region should respond or the international community (United Nations).

The reflex assertion that the U.S. Should respond is both thoughtless and ill advised, in my judgement.
bkay (USA)
Overall it seems painfully impossible to take down a group like ISIS. They mingle with innocent citizens; they savor dying for their cause so fear of death doesn't deter their wicked ways; they practice gorilla warfare; they abide by no rules of war. Experience has shown that warring with those kinds of factors in place, doesn't work. Yet, Mahatma Gandhi saw hope in what appears hopeless when he said: "There have been tyrants and murderers and for a time they seem invincible but in the end they always fall. Think of it always." The million dollar question is how to legitimately help them fall while also protecting the innocents in their midst. A double bind.
jacobi (Nevada)
"But Mr. Obama has said that the use of chemical weapons would cross a red line that could force American action."

Everyone know how "serious" Obama is with his red lines.
66hawk (Gainesville, VA)
I don't believe the "possible" use of chemical weapons by ISIS changes anything. If there is justification for further engagement, which I doubt, there is already plenty of justification. It seems to me irresponsible to report this story without more evidence as it is likely to provide more ammunition for the war mongers in the Republican Party. If you have verifiable facts, so be it. It does not appear that is the case. Creating panic and fear without facts is really bad journalism in my opinion.
Mike (Peterborough, NH)
Beheadings, organized rape, chemical weapons - what are we waiting for?
Tom (SA)
Why? Why should the U.S. feel this "pressure" to step in? Why is it more important to us than it is to the neighboring powers of Turkey, Iraq, Egypt and particularly the Saudis. I know Iraq is a basket case with zero military capability after years of American blood and treasure, but the Saudis have plenty of muscle. The Turks seem far less concerned about ISIS than the Kurds.

I see little positive benefit to the U.S. to try, once again, to direct the chessboard of the M.E. It is undergoing the inevitable shakeout and realignment following the collapse of the post-WWI Sykes-Picot Order, the earlier Western attempt to "bring order" to the M.E., to Western benefit with no regard to local and regional realities.

And I'm going to send the first guy that says "oil" or "Israel" to the corner.
Bruce Rozenblit (Kansas City)
Suspected of using chemical weapons? ISIS has demonstrated time and time again that they will use any method possible to conquer and subjugate. They have committed mass murder, genocide, sell females into sex slavery, rape for divinity, and those are just the crimes against humanity that have been uncovered so far.

ISIS will use any weapon, any means, to accomplish their goals. Theirs is a world where the ends justify the means without bound.

Chemical weapons? Why wouldn't they use them? The only restriction placed upon them is access.

This is not our fight. It is the world's fight. Most importantly, it is the Sunni Arab fight for their place in the world. It is the fight that Sunni Arabs must wage to be a member of the community of humanity, not a pox on humanity.

Sunni Arab complacency is acceptance by default. Their inaction against this pure evil is capitulation to pure evil.

The world's major powers do nothing. The Arab powers do nothing. The Imams do nothing. The wealthy financiers of terror do nothing. The social network providers do nothing. The madrassas do nothing. The Arab parents do nothing.

All act as if they are helpless. All act as if their principles prevent them from acting. ISIS has no principles except to kill, rape, enslave and murder. Complacency is capitulation, capitulation to pure evil. So be it. Welcome to the neighborhood.
GWE (ME)
I'm not religious but if I were, I'd conclude that this is the very definition of devil worshiping and Isis was lucifer's army. True evil incarnate.
codger (Co)
Oh no! Another red line. Watch out, we are gonna be "gravely concerned".
Rob (Queens, New York)
First off nobody should be surprised that ISIS used chemical weapons. They will use whatever they can to kill those that oppose their cult. As to the US getting involved, I think not as the lead country. A conference with all the countries in the Middle East and Europe that are directly affected by this murderous organization is necessary and they need to take the lead with us in support to finally destroy this group and if possible bring the leaders to an international court. But if that can't be done killing them will do.

This currently is the Middle East's problem. Yes we have the lone wolf's in the US and Europe. A problem that they are all too willing to let the US deal with while they either watch or give minimum support to. It is time for the countries of the Middle East to do what is necessary. But unfortunately they won't. Perhaps if a few of their family members were raped, beheaded, drowned, blown-up or become of victim of mustard gas they will sing a different tune and actually get the courage to do something.

The Nazis, Stalinists, and Maoists butchered millions, ISIS if allowed to grow will most certainly do the same. And the overwhelming lives lost will be people from that region.

It is a very confusing part of the world a world where medieval thinking is still the way decisions are made and how people are treated.
G. Sears (Johnson City, Tenn.)
“But Mr. Obama has said that the use of chemical weapons would cross a red line that could force American action.”

First off, I am amazed that the President would again make this kind of assertion.

The previous episode regarding the Assad regime use of chemical weapons in Syrian was mostly an embarrassment. Absent the largely Russian brokered deal for giving up chemical weapons stocks, Obama would have been left with little room to recover badly bruised credibility. Further, Assad has certainly repeatedly violated the spirit of the so called agreement to forego the use of chemicals on the Syrian population -- without consequences.

ISIS has absolutely no scruples when it comes to horrific acts that make a mockery of international agreements regarding warfare -- most of which have been wantonly violated worldwide without effective sanctioning or prosecution since the war crimes trials following WW-II.

That ISIS would use chemical munitions, especially against non-Muslims is no surprise. Their having obtained them is another clearly grave matter. Apparent lack of credible verification days after the incident of the mortar fire on the Kurdish forces in Iraq, is disturbing given American capabilities on the ground.

The cogent issue is just what the Obama response will be upon verification, especially given the general ineffectiveness to date of the U.S. current effort disable and destroy ISIS.
ACJ (Chicago, IL)
I continue to support the President's reluctance to get into the "toppling of governments" business. Our ventures into the Iraq and Afghanistan speak to our countries limitations when it comes to our traditional, shock and awe, foreign policy gambit. I think we have reached the time where we have neither the troops nor the money to play national building chess. Now, this could all change with a Republican administration, where troop levels and deficits are mere speed bumps on the path of proving we are an exceptional nation.
Jon Davis (NM)
Assad is a horrible guy, whom we never supported.
Saddam Hussein was also a horrible guy, who we once supported (against Iran).
The King of Saudi Arabia (whose name doesn't even matter) is a terrible guy who we still support.
All provided, or provide, a sort of terrible-smelling, toxic "glue" that held or holds the Middle East together since France and Britain drew the region's borders after WWI.
The borders drawn in the Middle East and Africa by European colonial rulers: A gift that just keeps on giving and giving, as does the European colonial tradition of exploiting native peoples to the hilt while giving them nothing in the way of democratic traditions.
Michael Eichert (Philadelphia, PA)
Regardless of whether Saddam's stockpile that was moved to Syria, or Syria's own chemicals, most likely both, the use of chemical weapons further demonstrates the profound urgency in removing ISIS. Image if they gain access the nuclear weapons..The Islamic State has repeatedly proven itself to be renegade and unparalleled in its barbaric cruelty. I have no doubt they would use them. Unfortunately, bombing alone won't do it. Only a massive coalition army comprised of all civilized nations, who understand the existential treat these demented fanatics pose, will.
Jon Davis (NM)
What is happening to people under ISIS is horrible.
My wife and I watch mostly Deutsche Well and France 24, which provide real news and analysis of the situation, unlike the lamestream media (ABC, CBC, CNN, FOX, NBC), so we actually know what is going on.
However, *I* will not be supporting any wars, or agreeing to pay more taxes, or donating to support more wounded warriors which the U.S. taxpayers refuse to support, or sending my sons or daughter to fight ISIS unless:
1) Europe, especially Germany, is fully in in terms of money and soldiers;
2) The U.S. Republican Party fully supports the U.S. commander-in-chief by an overwhelming margin, including voting to raise taxes to fund the new war.
MKM (New York)
ISIS arose out of the Syrian Civil war. The Syrian Civil war was triggered by the Arab Spring. ISIS in Libya arose out of the chaos of the Libyan Civil war. The Libyan Civil war was trigger by the Arab Spring. ISIS has spread from Syria into Northern Iraq because there was a vacuum there caused by the hapless Iraqi army. Turkey has held ISIS at its border. Assad and Gaddafi were firmly in place when Bush left. The Arab Spring came years after Bush left. Some, at the time, credited Obama with the Arab Spring via his Cairo Speech. Maybe. While it is true Obama helped picked the winner in Libya via military intervention, the resulting civil war and rise of ISIS can't be laid on Obama.

The blame for ISIS lays firmly with ISIS, they arose opportunistically to exploit the chaos of Civil War. History is loaded with examples of splinter groups exploiting civil war.
njglea (Seattle)
isis, isis, isis. Be VERY afraid. The press is feeding us nonstop isis, DT and "can't trust Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton". Do not trust the major media propaganda machine that would have us continue on the path of wealth inequality, anger, hate, fear, war and destruction. And girls/ladies raped by isis - do not come to the southern United States of America if you don't want to carry that cluster of "evil eggs from hell." No help here. The "christian"
war mongers must have poor human fodder for their war machine.
Stephen J Johnston (Jacksonville Fl.)
I seem to remember that Assad, who is the secular President of Syria had tried to tell the US last year that chemical attacks, which were attributed to him, and held over him as a cause for regime change, had been perpetrated by the Sunni Rebels in Syria.

At that time last year the drumbeat for war with Syria in order to take down, yes, another Secular leader in that temple of religious lunacy that is the Middle East, overwhelmed his protests.

Now the Kurds may have been attacked with chemicals like mustard gas, and the call is once again for the US to step up its action against ISIS as a result. My question is do we actually have any idea of who we really want to fight in the Middle East or is this just a bar fight written a large? It does seem that the as long as the US is willing to bloody itself in another idiotic war, the supporters of various war factions from America to Israel will be satisfied.

The only way that peace will come to the ME is if the United States can by sanctions or embargo or the threat of military force compel our ally Saudi Arabia to stop supporting ISIS activity, remind Turkey that it is a Nato member with obligations, and clamp down on the Israel Lobby, which constantly calls for more blood.

Why President Obama hasn't become angry enough with provocateur in chief Bibi Netanyahu to finally claw back our annual 3 billion dollars in military aid to his Israel, which cares only for its own interests is beyond me. War is not a natural condition!
Bill B (NYC)
You seem to rely uncritically on Hersh's shaky story blaming the Damascus-area chemical attacks on the Sunni rebels. You apparently also forgot that the war started with Assad regime atrocities against protesters.
http://foreignpolicy.com/2013/12/09/sy-hershs-chemical-misfire/
bkay (USA)
Stephen Johnston, Excellent well-written comment. Expanded it would be an informative insightful NYT article.
Jimmy (Greenville, North Carolina)
If ISIS is using chemical weapons against the Kurds then the Kurds need to step up their retaliation. And the neighboring countries need to show some interest. There are plenty of countries in the region that can handle ISIS.......if they want to.
Amir (Tehran, Iran)
I think although ISIS showed unbelievable brutality and gained some military achievement but it is not that strong as it seems. It still exists, because there is not a strong political will to get rid of it. The world and local powers (US, Europe and Iran) who suffered or feel danger about it should work together to finish it up.
Hassan mudane (Somalia)
I wonder how American politicians think about their national interest?

1. To fight ISIS only
2. To remain more power in the region
3. To maintain new world order

If ISIS used Chemical against Kurdish what about Assad regime used Chemical against ISIS? Is he right to do so?
NRroad (Northport, NY)
Obama's red lines are flimsy things. Why would he lift a finger to do anything about ISIS use of outlawed weapons when he gave Assad a pass. The U.S. has no credibility left whatever on issues like this thanks to this administration.
Rob (San Diego)
So how many people were killed in the chemical attack ? none, Chemical weapons do not result in external injuries, they only mess up internal system. When Assad used chemical weapons in Aug 2013 1500 were killed in hours. ISIS and Assad are both bad but there is propaganda war going on to make American forces fight on the ground.
Gretchen King (midwest)
Mr. Obama said the use of chemical weapons is a red line that could bring more forceful action? President Obama has said that once before. He did not follow through. I am a huge supporter of the President, but just how short term does he think citizen's memories are? I cannot understand why he would possibly make this statement again unless he truly means to follow through this time. If the chemical weapon use is verified, then it is boots on the ground, all out war yet again. If that comes to pass, may God have mercy on the entire planet.
Steve Hutch (New York)
Right now ISIS is not taking American lives. They are not a threat. ISIS is real threat in Europe, however. It makes sense the European countries should go in first. But if boots on the ground becomes inevitable then there should be equal troop commitments from all allies. But its always fascinating to read comments from Americans who believe the US is responsible for policing the world.
FT (Minneapolis, MN)
Mr. Hutch, you sound exactly like Chamberlain. You simply replaced Britain with America, and Poland with Europe. The longer you wait to get rid of the beast, the larger and more difficult it will be to defeat it. We are not responsible for policing the world, but given that we are the only ones capable of doing so, with have a moral obligation to do so. But we need to do it right, unlike our own police forces killing unarmed black teenagers for little reason, or at most what I would consider petty crime.
Patrick, aka Y.B.Normal (Long Island NY)
Let's worry about the American cops slaughtering people and the government spying on all Americans before we worry about Chemical weapons in Syria and ISIS.
R. R. (NY, USA)
So our real enemy is us!
FT (Minneapolis, MN)
The sun doesn't go away just because night falls.
eusebio vestias (Portugal)
Globally nations should mobilize forces under under its own flagin seekingpeace and stability
James Mc Carten (Oregon)
The influx of immigrants entering Europe can only increase in relation to the rise of Isis. Eligible immigrants need to be trained, armed and sent back to liberate their own countries from Isis. Otherwise Europe will be become dysfunctional with the inundation of millions of refugees.
Jon Davis (NM)
You are right that to most Europeans the main problem with ISIS is not its "evil" nature, but the fact that migrants impact Europe economically as would any war. I.e., everything Europeans do or don't do will be based on economics calculations, and they will do everything they can to get US to pay almost all of the costs of any solutions.
Prof.Jai Prakash Sharma, (Jaipur, India.)
While an internationally approved action against chemical weapon use in Syrian case could be contemplated and executed, what action beyond the current airstrikes or limited targeted offensives against the ISIS by the US and its allies could be thought of to prevent the ISIS from using such chemical weapons, or even from committing other atrocities that they are already doing? For, the ISIS is neither a state nor a civilised political entity which could be subjected to observing the international norms of conduct or follow any treaty rule. The ISIS being a common threat to the world community, warrants a concerted international action, not an action by the US alone, or by a group of nations only.
T. Anand Raj (Tamil Nadu)
ISIS has proved to be more sophisticated, organized and deadly. The report that they have used chemical weapons has come as a rude shock. It is just matter of time that they use such weapons against people whom they consider infidels. Someone said, "It is my enemy who determines what weapon I should use". Since ISIS has proved many times that they are inhuman beasts, I think they deserve a harsher treatment now. All nations should contribute soldiers and the U.S. should take lead and finish off the ISIS as soon as possible. Let us not wait till ISIS lay their hands on nukes. Sooner the better.
Garrett Clay (San Carlos, CA)
Between this and the sexual assault/slavery AND the story about what they did to the American female aid worker there is no ambiguity about the need to exterminate these monsters. The issue is who should do it, and the answer is not us. If Muslims want to have one shred of dignity or credibility it's time for them to step up. It's not our job.
Stephen J Johnston (Jacksonville Fl.)
The entire point of planting the rape story is to provoke the American People into lashing out blindly, just as we did in Iraq.

Richard Hass had clearly admitted in an article in Foreign Affairs recently, that "the US invaded Iraq to show the world that we could?" This was the head of The Council on Foreign Relations speaking. Quite an admission, but who reads Foreign Affairs?

By now people should be catching on to the elements of the big lie, which are fundamental to any program of propaganda. There are a small number of people who profit from war, and they have been leading us around by the nose, since the US went to Vietnam in order to save "the little people" from the Communists.

Honestly, what would it take for America to have a wake up call, and recognize that we are being used. We have no friends in the Middle East...none whatsoever!

Gore Vidal accurately observed that the USA is the United States of Amnesia! Isn't that sad?
Justice Holmes (Charleston)
ISIS and Turkey are attacking the Kurds..makes you stop and think.

As to the use of chemical weapons by ISIS I am sure there will be those who argue that these poor Islamists have grievances against the west and as a result, anything they do including gasping their own people is our fault. Its not. These cruel theocrats enjoy killing. We need to face facts. They will only be stopped when the Muslim countries in the ME stand up to them but there in lies the problem. Many of those governments agree with many of the underpinning is ISIS cruelty. In fact Saudi Arabia beheads people in public. Mast year @ 250 were executed that way. They also enforce sharia law and treat "apostates and blasphemers" like murderers.
M.R. Khan (Chicago)
Turkey is not attacking the "Kurds" but the Marxist-Leninist PKK. One of Turkey's closest allies is the KRG and the Pesh Merga fighters. The PKK was long supported by the Assad regime and is using chaos in the region to carry out violent attacks in Turkey and ethnic cleansing in Syria to create its own state.
Turkey was willing to send in ground troops to deal with both Isis and the Assad regime which enabled it and requested only US air support. Obama refused to even offer this if it was targetted against the Assad regime which has killed far more civilians than even Isis.
Kselvara (New York)
The only force that was fighting ISIS close to Turkey's border was the YPG a Kurdish militia allied to PPK. This group included women who who helped rescue other minorities who were being brutalized by ISIS. The Islamist government of Turkey is playing the same game as Saudi Arabia when it comes to supporting Sunnie extremist. I for one will be more comfortable being allied to a Marxist leninist group than allowing Islamist group such as ISIS dominate the region
Kirk (MT)
If it is true that ISIS is using chemical weapons,it is up to the world court to prosecute and judge these criminals. The USA can act as an investigator but not the judge, jury and executioner. The criminals of the Cheney-Bush administration have shown us how unwise that action is.
DSS (Ottawa)
Please, not another quagmire. If anything, if we seriously join in the fight, this will be worse than anything thus far. Who do we attack? Who is ISIS? Boots on the ground is the excuse all that hate us have been waiting for, and another reason why Arab ally's don't have to join in the fight, which is their fight .
brian (egmont key)
REALITY. this is dreadful news
but I dont know how this is any of my business.
Steve Fankuchen (Oakland, CA)
This is an excellent example of why most of the announced presidential candidates would likely be disasters: no experience and no indication they possess knowledge of, understanding, or even interest in foreign policy beyond some focus group tested slogan. A very multi-polar world requires someone at the top with an understanding of nuance, of perspective, of history, of shades of grey, of the fact that the perfect can be the greatest enemy of the good.

The one Republican with the credentials, Jon Huntsman, was so marginalized by the party three years ago, that he is, quite unfortunately, not running this time. The Democrats can make a case for Biden, Clinton, and probably Webb having the credentials. (Specific policies are a separate issue.)

Try this as a thought experiment: picture your favorite candidate dealing with Vladimir Putin, Xi Jinping, Bashir Assad, Ayatollah Khameini, and Benjamin Netanyahu. Then try to picture him or her dealing with non-state players such as ISIS and Al Qaeda, as well as whoever is the momentary leader of states in semi-civil war, such as Iraq and Nigeria. Finally, picture your candidate making alliances with these people and groups which, of necessity, will change from issue to issue, if not week to week.

Now, how confidant are you of your candidate?

Will we see any substantive foreign policy debate this election season? Doubtful. Slogans, yes. Substance, no. And, given what's out there, that's a truly scarey proposition.
Pk (In the middle)
Well, the Democrats twice elected a president who was lacking all the qualifications you now hold most valuable. Further, this same person is trying to force feed a faulty nuclear deal on his constituents. A little integrity would be appreciated.
george j (Treasure Coast, Florida)
Yeah, Obama has done a great job with foreign policy. cf. Egypt, Libya, Tunisia, etc. The arab spring sure worked out well for us! I'm more confidant with anyone else in charge than our current president.
A.G. Alias (St Louis, MO)
ISIS is the most horrendous terrorist organization of modern times, for 2 reasons: Its brutality is as vicious, as barbaric as ever. It is spreading like wild fires. If we underestimate it, it will be at our peril. As long as al-Baghdadi is alive, its monstrous impact will continue to be the most disastrous blow to humanity.

al-Baghdadi is NOT a MUSLIM. He is the evil incarnate. He is as much a Muslim as David Koresh was a Christian.

We can't make Saudi leaders to declare that. If Ayatollah Ali Khamenei says so, if he hasn't already, without most Sunni leaders making such a statement, it will have very little if any impact. As of now, there is no equivalent Sunni religious leader who can persuade the Sunnis, as Khamenei can move the Shias. That's an unfortunate fact. Only the entire Saudi leadership could influence the Sunnis, closer to how Khamenei could, the Shias.

If a joint statement made by the Saudi King & Khamenei that al-Baghdadi is NOT A MUSLIM, it would do the job. But neither would join the other. Will John Kerry, or any other person(s) on earth, be able to "bend" both of them? For the sake of humanity, that ought to happen.

President Obama's underestimation of ISIS and his fumbles on Syria, yes, and on Iraq actually was the best gift al-Baghdadi got. And he is thriving, ISIS is flourishing, because of that. For the record, I am still an ardent supporter Obama, voted for him twice.
Joshua Kirshner (York, UK)
I agree with this comment and would also like to see a joint Saudi-Iranian statement to that effect.
Hassan mudane (Somalia)
Absolutely Agreed.
Stephen J Johnston (Jacksonville Fl.)
Baghdadi is a CIA plant. He was in their grasp for five years, but they claim to know little about him. Can you believe that one? They say he was an Iraqi Street thug, but he has no facial scars, he has perfect white teeth, and his nose is cosmetically fine. Some street thug huh? Guess he never got punched or cut?

The simple fact is that the Saudi Kingdom in league with the rest of the Sunni Royals has contributed billions of dollars to create ISIS from the detritus of the first Sunni Civil War in Iraq in order to represent the interests of the royals in containing Iran.

The kurds are on their own! No one has ever wanted them to become a state, and eventually everyone including Iran will attack them in order to prevent it.

The rape story is most likely a thoroughly routine propaganda confection, and it was to be expected that it would be used some sooner or later. There are forces foreign and domestic, which demand that the US be constantly at war, and rape riles up the American People. The Question is will we be provoked to lash out blindly once again as we did with the invasion of Iraq, or will we recognize the true sources our problems and deal with them?
J. Parula (Florida)
That region, Syria and Sunni Iraq, needs an international intervention similar to the one in Yugoslavia during the 90's. The humanitarian toll is unbearable: millions of Syrians displaced in their own country and outside, This human suffering needs to stop. The intervention force should set up very strong autonomic zones (Sunni, Kurdish and Shiite). Setting up these zones should take some time, but an end to the present situation should take place as soon possible. This a time for a large scale diplomacy followed by a military intervention.
Quandry (LI,NY)
ISIS is baiting the US for its pr, which will increase its size. Unfortunately, the worst is yet to come.

A concerted long term US strategy must be made, and followed through, with primary participation by all of our third party allies in that part of the world. They should have put their skin in the game, first, before us, since they are the most in imminent danger.

The US shouldn't always have to be the first to spend our lives.
Matt Guest (Washington, D. C.)
Excellent reporting, Ms. Cooper. It's inherently difficult to see through the fog of war, but sometimes you can hear the choking sounds nonetheless. ISIL has zero regard for any lives outside of its members so it is no surprise it would engage in these despicable tactics, but as this article says we've struggled to confirm these Kurdish reports before. One can imagine how the president took the news that ISIL is potentially now using chemical weapons to assault its adversaries, i.e. everyone else. There are likely few international developments he'd like to learn of less than this. There are no good answers here (no matter what Lindsey Graham and other Republicans suggest) and there haven't been any in that area for a very long time.
swm (providence)
ISIS needs to be forced into unconditional surrender. They take actions, every day, that words like unconscionable and horrific don't even begin to describe. They just need to be destroyed. There's no justification in waiting.
stanley todd (seattle wa)
"unconditional surrender", do you think this is WWll relived?
surely you do not get paid that much $ to submit such dribble so you must be some ideologue from a time long past current reality history.
grow up.
Jon Davis (NM)
I am glad to see that you are willing to send your sons and daughters to Iraq and Syria to fight and possibly die there.

I am also glad that you are willing to send the government a check to pay for the war against and that you as a citizens are willing to personally sacrifice for the cause.

Because I can guarantee you that even the main concern of Europeans is the inconvenience the migrants cause, that almost no Europeans will be sending their sons and daughter to fight and possibly die, and few Europeans will be willing to pay or sacrifice to save the lives of these people.

That's the sad truth.

And no, I know you will never sacrifice anything for these people either.
swm (providence)
Stanley - You think this will end through negotiation or statesmanship? Jobs programs? Investment in education? Unlikely and unrealistic.
Jesse Marioneaux (Port Neches)
This is the same thing they said to try drum up support for a war in the Middle East. Dont fall for it Americans how in the world can a group of 30,000 scare a country like America.
Jon Davis (NM)
After 9-11 we could invoke the NATO self-defense clause because Al Qaeda was support by the Taliban government of Afghanistan. But we failed in Afghanistan primarily because in 2003 we rallied the world to invade Iraq, a country which posed no real threat to us. And due to the incompetence of Bush and company, we failed in Iraq as well. ISIS is probably more of a threat to the U.S. than was Saddam Hussein. But you can't expect the world (especially Europe) to follow U.S. leadership given how our leaders have failed us and the world. And why do pro-war folks think that the president of the U.S. is Clarke Kent/Superman? He is not.
dve commenter (calif)
What baffles me is that a few thousand terrorists cannot be wiped out by the "world's super powers and their allies". Put some boots on the ground, get tough and get in there and do away with this group, if that is really what the world wants. some days I have my doubts, because the military loves the real practice and the industry loves the money coming in.
What is it folks? genuine or is this another fake "war"?
Patrick Leigh (Chehalis, WA)
The enemy inhabit that land; they will melt away and patiently wait for us to tire of the endless fight ---
Insanity
Theodore Koenig (Boulder, Colorado)
This is the nature of asymmetric war. We can utterly destroy their forces that exist within their territory, but to do so would require massive civilian casualties. Not hundreds, but thousands or even tens of thousands. Do we really want that? Even if we did that it wouldn't destoy the ideology that drives this struggle. This will be more like the Cold War, a long slog with the occasional hot conflict. We need to be ready to strap in for generations of this.
rm (Burleson, TX)
Because this miserable band of rapists is a precipitate of our invasion of Iraq, we might be lured into believing it is our duty to "right our wrong" and to go in full force. Even in to Syria.

To the contrary it might argued be that because this is a complex struggle between Sunni, Shiite, Kurd, Arab, Alawite,Turk, Israeli, Russian and Iranian- multi-layered and overlapping interests, the U.S. should probably avoid sending over any more "help". We have done more harm than good already.

Both are reasonable arguments.

The bottom line is that there are no good options now. The administration of George W. Bush made a terrible miscalculation about how deep, complex, volatile, and OLD the animosities are over there. Mr. Obama has made the best out of an unsolvable disaster of war.

President Bush's lazy-minded loyalty to Al Malaki, Cheney and Rumsfeld put us here. The man had no business occupying the office of President of the most powerful military on the planet. So when you read about rape academies, mustard gas and burning pilots alive, and beheading westerners, please remember how we got here.

Make no mistake, however much JEB may want o blame Mr. Obama for the rise of ISIS, ultimately the President was handed an un-winnable theatre of war through a calamitous failure of foreign policy and common sense judgement by George W. Bush and company.
bnc (Lowell, Ma)
George W. Bush will remain an uncured alcoholic who, while he took recovery "sleep offs" in Crawford, left the decisions to his psychopathic vice president Richard Cheney.and the rest of the war-mongering neocons, the signatories of the "Project for the New American Century" which stated we needed a more powerful military to overtake the world.
L'historien (CA)
After the revelations of what happened to Kayla mueller and now chemical weapons, for gods sake, how much longer are we just going to sit? I am not in any way shape or form in favor of a new war, but enough is enough. We need to go in and take no prisoners. Pull out all of the stops and get the job done the way we know how.
David Mallet (Point Roberts WA)
What is the way we know how? The way we knew how in Korea? Or the way we knew how in Vietnam? Or the way we knew how in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Justice Holmes (Charleston)
I understand that The Egyptians have 1 million men in their army. Turkey 800,00 The Saudis have 250,00. ISIS according to the last estimates has 30,000. What does this say about the will of ME countries to defeat ISIS?
Jon Davis (NM)
"...use in Syria of chemical agents...could increase pressure on the Obama administration to intervene more forcefully in the war against the Islamic State."

The threat posed by ISIS may be one of the worse threats to humanity since Nazi Germany, at least, in terms of producing mass migration (the former Soviet Union as well as the current communist dictatorship that rules China and from whom we import billions of dollars of goods made in sweatshops were and are just as bad as ISIS. But neither produced, or has produced, the mass migration of refugees).

But how exactly will we the United States do this? From Turkey, that even though it is a NATO ally that is a completely unreliable ally? From Greece, the bankrupt country that is inundated with refugees, but which the European Union refuses to help? From warships stationed off the coast of Israel and Lebanon?

And whose sons and daughters will risk their lives...and die...to save the world from ISIS? Because even though the flood of refugees from the Middle East primarily affects Europe, you certainly won't see many European sons and daughters going to fight to defend mostly Middle Eastern Muslim populations. So why so WE Americans have to carry all the weight? We will have to partner with Russia and Iran.

And if our sons and daughters are going to pay with their blood to save Europe, the least Europe could do, and especially rich nations like Germany, is pay for the war. But what sacrifice will WE Americans at home make?
DaveD (Wisconsin)
The President lacks any putative war powers in Syria or Iraq outside those he has arrogated. He must go to Congress before embroiling this country in yet another decade of wars in the Middle East.
jimsr1215 (san francisco)
REALITY: the campaigner in chief can not be expected to do what is best for america
Dr. John (Seattle)
The JV Team is using WMD's which either did not exist in Iraq or which we were told by this Administration were eliminated in Syria? Mildly interesting development.
fran soyer (ny)
So you think ISIS is a bigger threat than Iran and Putin. Interesting development ...

Whenever the GOP has a campaign push, stories of some Middle Eastern entity gassing their own people follow. This routine has literally been going on for 25 years now.
Garrett Clay (San Carlos, CA)
Whoa there big fella. Syria had chemical weapons, that ain't news. Iraq's chemical weapons were simply those they forgot to destroy or lost in the system through incompetence. Read the stories of our affected troups.