And after he's released, I hope they ship him off to Israel. Let him live there - we don't want him here. They want him, they should have him.
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the guy was a traitor-what can I say- he betrayed his fellow citizens.
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How can Ronen Bergman claim:
"And this unfortunate episode continues to cause grave damage to relations between the two countries to this day." when America gives Israel more aid than any other ally and keeps supplying them with the latest defence technologies.
"And this unfortunate episode continues to cause grave damage to relations between the two countries to this day." when America gives Israel more aid than any other ally and keeps supplying them with the latest defence technologies.
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Arun from Portland comments, "The unfortunate reality is that since its creation, Israel's predominant international stance and public face is one of extreme self-centeredness and self-interest."
Is there a reader out there who could tell me what planet Portland is on? On earth every single country's "predominant international stance and public face is one of extreme self-centeredness and self-interest."
Is there a reader out there who could tell me what planet Portland is on? On earth every single country's "predominant international stance and public face is one of extreme self-centeredness and self-interest."
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Everybody gets America, that's why Israel sent this spy.
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This shows how much Israel was involved. Say no more.
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The Israeli government should not make the mistake of making any public case in favor of Pollard until and unless the Republicans win the next presidential election. There is not a single non-Jewish Democrat that I know who still has any respect for him. He has shown himself to be a profoundly narrow-minded politician, and utterly incompetent in global politics. However; I hope that Republicans will openly support a traitor to America, and continue to degrade their chances to win support from enough undecided voters to win the presidency.
Pollard's espionage activities went well beyond the "every nation does it" defense. I accept that we spy on our allies too, but nothing that I have seen, from the Snowden leaks or elsewhere, has convinced me that our espionage has fundamentally damaged the security of our allies the way that Pollard did to the U.S.. He compromised many of our agents, and put information in the hands of the Mossad that should never have even be sought by them, if they had shown any foresight or strategic humility. Until I hear of any ally's interests being dangerously compromised by irresponsibility (during the Obama administration), I will believe that our espionage has been conducted with restraint, to inform decisions made by the executive branch.
The Bush administration profoundly damaged America's international reputation by its dishonesty about Iraq. The Israeli government would do well to learn from Bush's hubris.
Pollard's espionage activities went well beyond the "every nation does it" defense. I accept that we spy on our allies too, but nothing that I have seen, from the Snowden leaks or elsewhere, has convinced me that our espionage has fundamentally damaged the security of our allies the way that Pollard did to the U.S.. He compromised many of our agents, and put information in the hands of the Mossad that should never have even be sought by them, if they had shown any foresight or strategic humility. Until I hear of any ally's interests being dangerously compromised by irresponsibility (during the Obama administration), I will believe that our espionage has been conducted with restraint, to inform decisions made by the executive branch.
The Bush administration profoundly damaged America's international reputation by its dishonesty about Iraq. The Israeli government would do well to learn from Bush's hubris.
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And your source is?
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I believe Israel is as much an "ally" of the US as is Pakistan, which for years hid Osama bin Laden right in plain sight. Just wait until the chips are really down and we'll see the extent of the "friendship" between the two countries.
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Pollard iis a lowlife and a psychopath, who was offering his services as a spy to other nations besides Israel. If Israel celebrates his return, they are out of their minds.
That being said, the double standard of the U.S is off the charts. We recruit citizens of all nations to spy on their governments on a regular basis, while spying on our allies is considered business as usual.
But that pales compared to the double standard of The Times. More than one American of Arabic descent has not only spied for his native land, but plotted to and too often succeeded in murdering Americans in the name of radical Islam. But does the Times hint that this puts all Americans of Muslim descent under a cloud of suspicion? Of course not.
Pollard's agenda was clear, and it was ugly. Unfortunately, so is the double standard agenda of the NY Times.
That being said, the double standard of the U.S is off the charts. We recruit citizens of all nations to spy on their governments on a regular basis, while spying on our allies is considered business as usual.
But that pales compared to the double standard of The Times. More than one American of Arabic descent has not only spied for his native land, but plotted to and too often succeeded in murdering Americans in the name of radical Islam. But does the Times hint that this puts all Americans of Muslim descent under a cloud of suspicion? Of course not.
Pollard's agenda was clear, and it was ugly. Unfortunately, so is the double standard agenda of the NY Times.
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I am sick of the New York TImes constant attacks against Israel--it is disgusting to see absolutely no balance, and it begins with Tom Friedman who is more than anti-Israel, he is a parasite, attached to the butt of President Obama, and does very little except to serve as the mouthpiece for the White House. Yet--he is not alone among journalists who have all taken the preening moralist positions that tend to isolate Israel against the rest of the world. Israel to them is the aggressor in every case, as if the world of Islam had not been attacking Israel, without surcease, these past 70 years.
The New York Times is free at my university. That seems right to me as it is not worth anything.
The New York Times is free at my university. That seems right to me as it is not worth anything.
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Extremist Israelis like Netanyahu will never get it until they are voted out of power. Even then, they are unlikely to get it. It's who they are.
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Personally I think we should have shot Pollard 30 years ago as a spy and have been done with it.
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This article and Obama offhandedly is trying to help fashion a favorable atmosphere for acceptance of the Iran deal.. NO we should not go for the Iran deal....
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Amen and Thank you Mr. Bergman. Next on deck is Edward Snowden. 30 years in prison is about right for him as well.
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There are two issues here that people are making comments that have nothing to do with this article
Pollards guilt or innocents i and the status if his imprisonment are off topic
The article claims Israel does't understand American way of thinking or values.
What ever Pollard did is not the issue.
For argument sake let's say he should not be freed.
How is that relevant to this article.
How would we feel if one of our agents got caught spying and is in prison.
We would want him freed even if he deserved to be imprisoned and we would celebrate his release just like people in Israel want that for Pollard.
How are we different and where is this misunderstanding.
There is no misunderstanding.
We think alike and have the same values.
Pollards guilt or innocents i and the status if his imprisonment are off topic
The article claims Israel does't understand American way of thinking or values.
What ever Pollard did is not the issue.
For argument sake let's say he should not be freed.
How is that relevant to this article.
How would we feel if one of our agents got caught spying and is in prison.
We would want him freed even if he deserved to be imprisoned and we would celebrate his release just like people in Israel want that for Pollard.
How are we different and where is this misunderstanding.
There is no misunderstanding.
We think alike and have the same values.
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In brief, I see Snowden as trying to save his/our country from itself whereas I see Pollard as a cog in the Israeli leadership's efforts to use the U.S. as its personal war machine, to deploy in what it considers, rightly or wrongly, the best interests of Israel.
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Duplicitous US government leaders are quick to say we can't trust Iran on the Nuclear Deal because they've lied before, but most of these "leaders" repeatedly turn a blind eye to Israel's lies, not to mention their stockpile of nuclear arms, NOT subject to accountability as are other nations.
Did it occur to our leaders that perhaps Iran is afraid of heavily armed Israel who is continuously stirring the pot in the middle east, and therefore, is trying to also arm themselves with nuclear weapons to deter Israel? The US won't deter Israel. Instead we bend over backward to paint them as our allies. Being soft on Israel makes the US soft. I only hope we have spies in Israel.
Did it occur to our leaders that perhaps Iran is afraid of heavily armed Israel who is continuously stirring the pot in the middle east, and therefore, is trying to also arm themselves with nuclear weapons to deter Israel? The US won't deter Israel. Instead we bend over backward to paint them as our allies. Being soft on Israel makes the US soft. I only hope we have spies in Israel.
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If you are really interested in moving to Israel to spy for the US of A, the first thing you have to do is learn Hebrew. Are you ready?
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One wonders whether the self-righteousness of Israel might be embedded in the dictum “Israelites are the God-chosen” and thus the moral authority of this world. Mr. Pollard fits into that frame justifying his treacherous action, even though he betrayed his own birth country. The heinous crime of holocaust by Nazis against the Jews should have made the country stand up against post World War II genocides in Rwanda, Sudan and Serbia, to name a few but their silence was deafening as well as absence of any moral leadership. Additionally, in the context of Middle East geopolitics, Israel has stealth nuclear capability (with the blessings of the West) as well as the Sunni Saudis (via their proxy Pakistan) making Shite Iranians religious leaders more eager to build the technology. So, our government has been trying its best to delay that process that Israel decided to sabotage. What an irony!
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How is Israel an ally to the US again? What do we get?
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Israel is without question the most amazing, the most admirable country the world has ever seen. Despite its only being a little more than sixty years old, despite a population of almost seven million, despite having to be at war footing for almost its entire life, despite having absorbed more immigrants in relation to its population that any country in history, its accomplishments in almost any area of human activity are unsurpassed.
Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the US, over 70 in Japan, and fewer than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions, Israel places first in this category as well.
Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.
Israel's Given Images developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera
helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.
A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct — all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue
Israel leads the world in the number of scientists and technicians in the workforce, with 145 per 10,000, as opposed to 85 in the US, over 70 in Japan, and fewer than 60 in Germany. With over 25% of its work force employed in technical professions, Israel places first in this category as well.
Researchers in Israel developed a new device that directly helps the heart pump blood, an innovation with the potential to save lives among those with heart failure. The new device is synchronized with the heart's mechanical operations through a sophisticated system of sensors.
Israel's Given Images developed the first ingestible video camera, so small it fits inside a pill. Used to view the small intestine from the inside, the camera
helps doctors diagnose cancer and digestive disorders.
A new acne treatment developed in Israel, the ClearLight device, produces a high-intensity, ultraviolet-light-free, narrow-band blue light that causes acne bacteria to self-destruct — all without damaging surroundings skin or tissue
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If Pollard's crimes are so great, he should not be let go under any circumstances. The fact that the Obama administration is releasing him as a political pawn only indicates that his crimes couln't have been all that bad.
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Israel’s Jewish citizens may or may not feel that they deserve America’s unconditional, unlimited support, but they certainly expect it – with good cause. American politicians of both parties routinely, explicitly promise to do whatever Israel wants, and they always deliver – almost always. The Pollard case was a shocking, unprecedented exception, what with America treating an Israeli spy more like a spy than like an Israeli. How inexplicably disloyal. And now we have a second, larger example: America is endorsing a deal with Iran to restrain global proliferation of nuclear weapons despite loud Israeli objections. So, now we are releasing Pollard to mitigate the pain of the Iran deal and reassure our unhappy Israeli friends that they can still count on us, almost always. We may be misguided, but we’re consistent.
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As an American, I strongly resent such statements:
"Obama administration officials ... understand that there would be no better move than freeing Mr. Pollard to sweeten the bitter pill of the Iran deal that Israelis are being asked to swallow."
Nobody's asking Israel to swallow anything. The US (and 5 other countries) negotiated a deal with Iran because they believed, correctly or not, that that deal would be best for the world. Obviously that deal might be very good for some countries, less good for others, and downright bad for still others. One could say that countries in the last two categories are being asked to "swallow" the deal, but, frankly, we Americans couldn't -- or at least shouldn't -- care less whether they "swallow" it or not. If the Iran deal is good for the US, that's what matters. Americans differ on the answer to that question, to be sure, but at least we all agree that that is the question -- not whether the Iran deal is good for Israel. That's Israel's business, not ours, and we shouldn't care whether Israel can "swallow" this deal or not.
"Obama administration officials ... understand that there would be no better move than freeing Mr. Pollard to sweeten the bitter pill of the Iran deal that Israelis are being asked to swallow."
Nobody's asking Israel to swallow anything. The US (and 5 other countries) negotiated a deal with Iran because they believed, correctly or not, that that deal would be best for the world. Obviously that deal might be very good for some countries, less good for others, and downright bad for still others. One could say that countries in the last two categories are being asked to "swallow" the deal, but, frankly, we Americans couldn't -- or at least shouldn't -- care less whether they "swallow" it or not. If the Iran deal is good for the US, that's what matters. Americans differ on the answer to that question, to be sure, but at least we all agree that that is the question -- not whether the Iran deal is good for Israel. That's Israel's business, not ours, and we shouldn't care whether Israel can "swallow" this deal or not.
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I think Prime Minister Netanyahu and American citizen/Israeli spy Pollard did more to undermine the "special relationship" between the United States and Israel than anything Israel's enemies possibly could have.
If appearances actually do matter Netanyahu looks to be arrogantly incorrigible. By campaigning against the Iran Deal while offering no alternative except war, which would be a catastrophe for everyone -- us especially -- he continues to dig an ever deeper hole for himself and his country; after openly meddling in our legislative process by addressing Congress and hosting Mitt Romney in the last presidential election. Is Netanyahu surreptitiously funneling money to American congressional candidates thought to support Israel? Would that be a surprise?
Pollard, of course, betrayed his country by selling classified information.
An old saw about nation states and international diplomacy goes: "nations don't have friends, they have interests -- shared national interests". Given Netanyahu's glib misconduct I'm starting to wonder about those interests that we share with Israel; just what they actually are.
If appearances actually do matter Netanyahu looks to be arrogantly incorrigible. By campaigning against the Iran Deal while offering no alternative except war, which would be a catastrophe for everyone -- us especially -- he continues to dig an ever deeper hole for himself and his country; after openly meddling in our legislative process by addressing Congress and hosting Mitt Romney in the last presidential election. Is Netanyahu surreptitiously funneling money to American congressional candidates thought to support Israel? Would that be a surprise?
Pollard, of course, betrayed his country by selling classified information.
An old saw about nation states and international diplomacy goes: "nations don't have friends, they have interests -- shared national interests". Given Netanyahu's glib misconduct I'm starting to wonder about those interests that we share with Israel; just what they actually are.
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Of course Pollard wasn't the first - guess where Israel smuggled uranium from for their nuclear weapons program? Pollard won't be the last either. Some "friends" we keep.
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After graduating from college, from 1977-1981, I was an officer in the US Army. In 1979, I was given top-secret clearance to participate in the testing of the TADS/PNVS laser guidance system for the Hellfire anti-tank missile. I eventually rose to the rank of Captain before leaving the service.
The article states that the Pollard affair, which occurred after I left the service, "made it difficult for Jews in the United States government to get security clearances for sensitive jobs." Being Jewish, had I stayed in the Army and made Major or even Lt Col before retiring, I wonder if Pollard's case would have had an effect on my career. I do know this, whether you are a civilian serving the US government or in the US military, regardless of your faith, your first loyalty must be to the oath you took to protect and defend the United States Constitution. All other beliefs are secondary. Pollard obviously forgot that.
The article states that the Pollard affair, which occurred after I left the service, "made it difficult for Jews in the United States government to get security clearances for sensitive jobs." Being Jewish, had I stayed in the Army and made Major or even Lt Col before retiring, I wonder if Pollard's case would have had an effect on my career. I do know this, whether you are a civilian serving the US government or in the US military, regardless of your faith, your first loyalty must be to the oath you took to protect and defend the United States Constitution. All other beliefs are secondary. Pollard obviously forgot that.
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if protecting the Constitution is the litmus test we should hold elections immediately for the entire Congress of the US. both Democrats and Republicans who violate the Constitution with impunity when they vote their agendas, the same goes for the President of the US who attempts to run the US by executive order instead of consulting with Congress and state legislatures.
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Sending the traitor to Israel is a win for the U.S., and an embarrassment for Israel. Let them cover his pension.
2
As a retuired intelligence officer, I think the nadir of the Pollard affair came when -- using other sources and other methods -- we learned that the Israeli Prime Minister traded the highest classification -- Top Secret codeword -- National Intelligence Estimates of Soviet capabilities to the Russians in exchange for Moscow allowing additional Jews to emigrate to Israel. This was part of the Pollard take.
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Israel feels that the Iran deal is a bitter pill? I challenge the Israeli government to make a better deal. The U.S. owes Israel nothing and it seems to me that Israel should appreciate the deal that's been negotiated. No deal is perfect, it would carry more impact if Israel backed the deal and its tenets, even assisting with inspection intelligence.
After reading this article and considering recent PM Netanyahu's comments, Israeli's seem to feel unrealistically entitled.
After reading this article and considering recent PM Netanyahu's comments, Israeli's seem to feel unrealistically entitled.
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Pollard was paid for his treachery and in some quarters it's believed that Israel has been sending money to an offshore account on his behalf all the while he has been incarcerated. What is disturbing is that the United States has been Israels biggest benefactor since its beginning, at much risk to the US, and this was how they paid us back.
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Why not send him to Israel. Who cares? If he is so inclined, let him go. He is a traitor the US so we certainly don't want him.
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The old saying "With friends like this who needs enemies?" seems to apply. Friends do not always put their interests over their so called friend's interests. They do not mess with their internal politics and they understand when their friend's interest do not match their own. I have long thought of myself as a supporter of Israel, because they deserve a friend and I had thought were our friend. I am now reassessing that opinion.
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Israelis, and a large section of American Jews, care more about Israel than the place of their birth. Many American Jews would rather serve in the IDF than in the US military. The question is no longer whether the interest of Israel comes first to many, they do.
At work I am referred to as a "Palestinian sympathizer", even though I know not a single Palestinian, and only one Arab in my entire life, a young Egyptian woman when I was at school. The reason for my designation? ....I disagree verbally about some of Israel's policies.
In other words, whatever Israel does must never be verbally challenged. It must be accepted without disagreement.
I am an American first, second and third. My loyalty does not stop at these shores.
At work I am referred to as a "Palestinian sympathizer", even though I know not a single Palestinian, and only one Arab in my entire life, a young Egyptian woman when I was at school. The reason for my designation? ....I disagree verbally about some of Israel's policies.
In other words, whatever Israel does must never be verbally challenged. It must be accepted without disagreement.
I am an American first, second and third. My loyalty does not stop at these shores.
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Every country acts first and foremost on self-interest, especially on self-preservation. The differences lie in the degree, and in whether a country makes any pretense of aspiring to something better. Israeli history is incredibly hypocritical in this regard. The country bases its increasingly selfish acts of aggression against Lebanon, Palestinians, etc. on two lies: that their culture/behavior is somehow more civilized than that of Arab nations around them (not since at least the invasion of Lebanon has this been tenable), and that in a world with thousands of atomic weapons any country can defend itself all by itself, with force alone. Israel's existence is no more threatened by surrounding countries than theirs is by Israel's territorial aggression and possession of atomic weapons. In the past forty years, Israel has invaded other countries that didn't invade it, hacked other countries' nuclear programs, bombed a nuclear facilty in Iran . . . oh, yes, and attacked a U.S. naval ship, killing several sailors. How does this entitle them to special moral status? They'd better learn to un-settle the West Bank and do better negotiation with Arab neighbors before they lose what friends they have and the Middle East spirals completely out of control.
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I think the Isrealis Do get it. From the attack on the Liberty to Pollard and beyond, they understand that there is no limit to the contempt that they can show the USA without consequence.
I don't believe we know exactly was stolen and Isreal has refused to tell us.
I was in Israel at the time the Pollard case broke and traveling with some Israelis. When they inquired about American opinion toward the case. I likened Isreal-Pollard to an orphan child--sheltered by a compassionate family--who steals the family silverware. They shrugged and chuckled. I was rather incensed at the time, but on reflection realized that they understood, better than I,the relationship between their nation and the US.
I don't believe we know exactly was stolen and Isreal has refused to tell us.
I was in Israel at the time the Pollard case broke and traveling with some Israelis. When they inquired about American opinion toward the case. I likened Isreal-Pollard to an orphan child--sheltered by a compassionate family--who steals the family silverware. They shrugged and chuckled. I was rather incensed at the time, but on reflection realized that they understood, better than I,the relationship between their nation and the US.
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Important facts have received little to no attention in the Pollard case. First off, he stole exceedingly important information in massive troves which caused a succession of DoD and intelligence officials to threaten to quit were he released. George Tenent is first among them Secondly, much of the stolen material was sold, by our ally Israel, to the Soviet Union, reportedly for some 300,000,000. The man is a traitor and our ally needs to understand that behaving badly, despite our billions in gifts each year, has produced this most just sentence.
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It seems to me that we can’t and don’t always have Israel’s back, as the President maintained, because to have someone’s back doesn’t mean: I will support you when and as *I* judge that you need my help. No. It means: I will support you when and as *you* judge that you need my help.
1
Pollard is a spy and a traitor. He should have been punished same as other spies and traitors..but he wasn't. He was subjected to extended incarceration in maximum security facilities. It was the extraordinarily harsh sentence and treatment that he received that resulted in him being turned into a cause celeb in Israel. Had the US treated him like every other spy this incident would have faded into the annals of history long ago. The question is why they didn't.
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The Israelis had no one to trade for him. That is how most spies get released!
2
Aldrich Ames, Edward Lee Howard and Robert Hansen prove that Pollard was not the only egregious lapse by US intelligence service.
Ames and Hansen (Howard escaped) prove that the "six times longer than other spies" claim is a lie.
Bibi, despite living here, and his inner circle, many of whom also spent a lot of time here, do not understand the fervent patriotism of American Jews and how appalled they are at Israel honoring a spy.
Ames and Hansen (Howard escaped) prove that the "six times longer than other spies" claim is a lie.
Bibi, despite living here, and his inner circle, many of whom also spent a lot of time here, do not understand the fervent patriotism of American Jews and how appalled they are at Israel honoring a spy.
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Not sure that I care or that it means much in the big scheme of things. I only object to Israel being called our ally. They are not, they do as they darn well please. And, allies do not attack you as the Israelis did the USS Liberty.
12
I was a kid when Pollard was busted and it put my perception of Israel off on the wrong foot where it remains today, floating free of my staunch support of Jews in general. Send him to Israel in consideration for no more U.S. aid to ungrateful capricious Israel.
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Pulitzer Prize winner Seymour Hersh's book, "The Samson Option" points out what a lie it is to suggest -- as much of the media has done -- that Pollard only gave secret information to a trustworthy ally.
Accord to Hersh, information Pollard gave Israel, was sold by Israel to the Soviet Union, then America's greatest enemy. Among other things the information showed the Soviets how we were obtaining information about the number and location of their nuclear missiles, information that could be worth millions of American lives in a time of crisis. In response, the Soviets changed their behavior, reducing our nation's ability to get that vital information.
That Israel sold Pollard's information to the Soviets proves, beyond any doubt, that Israel is not a trusted ally. That the great harm of Pollard's treason has been largely hidden from the American public proves, beyond any doubt, how biased the American news media is in matters relating to Israel.
Accord to Hersh, information Pollard gave Israel, was sold by Israel to the Soviet Union, then America's greatest enemy. Among other things the information showed the Soviets how we were obtaining information about the number and location of their nuclear missiles, information that could be worth millions of American lives in a time of crisis. In response, the Soviets changed their behavior, reducing our nation's ability to get that vital information.
That Israel sold Pollard's information to the Soviets proves, beyond any doubt, that Israel is not a trusted ally. That the great harm of Pollard's treason has been largely hidden from the American public proves, beyond any doubt, how biased the American news media is in matters relating to Israel.
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Should of been denied, and made to wait 15 more years .
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Mr. Bergman is right, the optics of Israelis celebrating the release of Mr. Pollard, Israel's spy who did severe damage to America's national security,
does not look good. Against the cacophony of Netanyahu's and the neocons' cries for war with Iran, celebrating a spy that hurt America only raises more questions about America's alliance with Israel.
For one, Americans need to know that China is Israel's number one weapons customer. This is something the media consistently ignores about how Israel's harvesting of US weapons technology and in turn selling it to American rivals makes their hysteria surrounding Iran all that more hollow.
People forget the Lawrence Franklin espionage case of 2004, where an employee of the Department of Defense Mr. Franklin working for neocons Paul Wolfowitz and Dough Feith gave intelligence on Iran to two AIPAC members. Of course charges were dropped against the AIPAC members and Mr. Franklin's sentence of 12 years was reduced to ten months of house arrest. Ultimately, it is not solely the optics of Pollard's release that concerns me, it is the utter silence by NYT and other major media about Israel's real actions in weapons sales to China, let's put that under the spotlight it deserves.
does not look good. Against the cacophony of Netanyahu's and the neocons' cries for war with Iran, celebrating a spy that hurt America only raises more questions about America's alliance with Israel.
For one, Americans need to know that China is Israel's number one weapons customer. This is something the media consistently ignores about how Israel's harvesting of US weapons technology and in turn selling it to American rivals makes their hysteria surrounding Iran all that more hollow.
People forget the Lawrence Franklin espionage case of 2004, where an employee of the Department of Defense Mr. Franklin working for neocons Paul Wolfowitz and Dough Feith gave intelligence on Iran to two AIPAC members. Of course charges were dropped against the AIPAC members and Mr. Franklin's sentence of 12 years was reduced to ten months of house arrest. Ultimately, it is not solely the optics of Pollard's release that concerns me, it is the utter silence by NYT and other major media about Israel's real actions in weapons sales to China, let's put that under the spotlight it deserves.
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The accusation of "dual-loyalty" is so common to Jewish government workers. In this case, left unmentioned is the contemptible Caspar Weinberger, Secretary of Defense at the time. Mr. Weinberger, with a Jewish surname and some Jewish blood, bent over backwards throughout his career to make clear that he was Episcopalian, not Jewish. Pollard's excessive sentence was recommended by Weinberger as a result of his pathetic attempts to distance himself from the Jewish faith.
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A Jewish spy was caught 30 years ago and is released after having served his full sentence. Most comments here display such resentment towards Israel and the 'Jewish Lobby' that one can only conclude that the NYT readership is infected by a familiar old demon. These are not the usual right-wing dingbats, but mostly left-of-center Liberals. It is puzzling, to say the least.
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He has not served his full sentence. Where did you get that idea? He was sentenced to life in prison! He is still alive, so obviously he has not served his sentence. He should stay in jail until they can take him out in a pine box!
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Ronen Bergman is absolutely correct. His statement, " even if 30 years too late, that Americans see Mr. Pollard as a traitor of the worst kind and that celebrating his release will only further harm Israel’s already strained relations with America." is absolutely correct. Americans rarely forget anti-American incidences in history. Americans in Hollywood are still making movies about the Vietnam conflict in Hollywood. The Vietnam conflict occurred more than 50 years ago. The 1979 Iranian hostage crisis is still on Americans minds. That was over 30 years ago. Pollard should thank God that he is being freed after 30 years. Some people in America believe that he should have been executed in public by firing squad. If you don't believe that, then go and check how many states in America have the death penalty.
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You are equating the US's inappropriate (to put it mildly) invasion of Vietnam and its inappropriate (again, to put it mildly) interference with Iranian governments with Pollard's spying on the US? Sorry, but there is no valid analogy there, long memories or not.
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Pollard will complain that his life is in danger in the US and since he is an Israeli citizen now, their ambassador is going to ask for and arrange his departure to Israel. Pollard will receive a hero's welcome in Israel despite efforts to keep it quiet. CNN will broadcast it live. Americans watch a traitor to their country being rewarded and praised for his actions by a friendly country that most Americans deeply believe owes its survival and security to them. AIPAC won't be available for comment ....
For over six years we were told President Obama is no friend of Israel and there was no proof; this is solid proof!
For over six years we were told President Obama is no friend of Israel and there was no proof; this is solid proof!
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So in international politics is there ever anything like friendship? and in this context of US Israeli relationship is there anything that could be called trust which to most people is the basis for friendship?
Leaders constantly give lip service and toasts to friendship and cooperation with other countries, but it seems it is nothing but hot air. Is this any way to run a planet with deception, spying on 'friends' f ake smiles that never can be trusted? Is this really what humans do best? Sad, but it is all justified by the survival of the fittest.
Leaders constantly give lip service and toasts to friendship and cooperation with other countries, but it seems it is nothing but hot air. Is this any way to run a planet with deception, spying on 'friends' f ake smiles that never can be trusted? Is this really what humans do best? Sad, but it is all justified by the survival of the fittest.
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While not condoning Israel attitude in this
particular case (and in many others, I should
say) I think that as US has been spying on friendly countries for quite a while and shamelessly
this indignation is quite ridiculous. Before getting your collective US knickers all in a twist against friendly Israel disloyalty think about the recent scandals about tapping German and French presidents phones...
particular case (and in many others, I should
say) I think that as US has been spying on friendly countries for quite a while and shamelessly
this indignation is quite ridiculous. Before getting your collective US knickers all in a twist against friendly Israel disloyalty think about the recent scandals about tapping German and French presidents phones...
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Not that I'm cynical, or paranoid, or prone to conspiracy theories. But a careful reading of Pollard's entire personal history and government employee career really makes me wonder who was protecting him from the beginning. Did he need a neon sign flashing from his forehead in order to sufficiently awaken the security gatekeepers? Why did this garden-variety sociopath seem Teflon-armored against dismissal early on?
I think there is a much more interesting story here, and I wonder why no one has aggressively investigated it--or if some people tried to and encountered unpleasant consequences for doing so. Israel's various security services are extremely efficient, and ruthless.
Hope I live long enough to read the expose...
I think there is a much more interesting story here, and I wonder why no one has aggressively investigated it--or if some people tried to and encountered unpleasant consequences for doing so. Israel's various security services are extremely efficient, and ruthless.
Hope I live long enough to read the expose...
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Until we arrest the American agents/officials involved in the hacking of the German and French leaders, and until posters here demand the arrest of these agents, all this rancor about "spying by a friendly government" seems the last word in double standards. I'm no fan of Netanyahu, who must rank with Putin as the world's leading practitioner of land theft, but to wax indignant over whether or not Pollard is released now or much later, seems pretty small beer, especially when our spying is of the same ilk.
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The operating word here I believe is "the American agents." It is up to German and French governments to punish any of their citizens caught in the act (I believe there wasn't any) not for American's to arrest their own operatives. I'm sure friendly governments eavesdrop on eachother when they can (like Israel eavesdropping on nuclear negotiations) but rarely pay a traitor in a friendly country to spy for them and then pass some of very damaging documents to a third party enemy country. Do you see the difference?
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"Do you see the difference?"
In a way, yes. But 30 years or life (as some here want) for what Pollard did, and not even a public reprimand for what our agents did, seems a bit of a disparity.
In a way, yes. But 30 years or life (as some here want) for what Pollard did, and not even a public reprimand for what our agents did, seems a bit of a disparity.
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Why can't the CIA capture Rafi Eitan and bring him to the US to put him on trial? He has done more harm to our nation than Al Queda. The material Pollar stole lead to the deaths of many Amerians and the Israeli's never cooperated with the US as they promised to identify what was stolen. If we are after Snowden and Assange why not capture Eitan too, put him in a secret prison for a while and then on trial? He has admitted espionage against the US in the NYT!
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Geez seriously. You know, and I know, and everyone knows, that the Israelis know us inside out and play us like a klezmer's fiddle.
They've got a lock on our Republican party and enough Democrats to ensure that we'll never be able to craft a sensible Middle Eastern policy. Many Americans who are otherwise outraged by global human rights violations contort themselves like Houdini in order to justify Israeli crimes. Israel and its supporters have perfected the use of that most insidious charge--that of the "self-hating Jew"--to mock and dismiss legitimate revulsion against Israeli policies.
But there's something called being too smart for your own good. The generation that felt visceral guilt for the crimes of WWII and the failures that enabled them to happen is almost gone now. Young Europeans have no interest in supporting an Israel that has become just another Middle Eastern theocracy, and many young Americans haven't, either. Social media platforms now make it much harder to drive and control propaganda while suppressing the truth.
Pollard was just a greedy sociopath clothing himself in a faux garment of religious and ethnic nobility. You know, like Netanyahu...
They've got a lock on our Republican party and enough Democrats to ensure that we'll never be able to craft a sensible Middle Eastern policy. Many Americans who are otherwise outraged by global human rights violations contort themselves like Houdini in order to justify Israeli crimes. Israel and its supporters have perfected the use of that most insidious charge--that of the "self-hating Jew"--to mock and dismiss legitimate revulsion against Israeli policies.
But there's something called being too smart for your own good. The generation that felt visceral guilt for the crimes of WWII and the failures that enabled them to happen is almost gone now. Young Europeans have no interest in supporting an Israel that has become just another Middle Eastern theocracy, and many young Americans haven't, either. Social media platforms now make it much harder to drive and control propaganda while suppressing the truth.
Pollard was just a greedy sociopath clothing himself in a faux garment of religious and ethnic nobility. You know, like Netanyahu...
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I don't condone spying. But let's not be hypocritical esp. when it's for friendly country not hostile country.Som European countries just caught U.S. spying on them. Is the U.S. culprit spy to be given 30 years in the can like Pollard?
Obama said in Nairobi last week “I’m the first Kenyan American to be President of the United States.”
I found no one complaining about dual loyalties.
The New York Times simply noted that he paid homage to the land of his father.
And so can pro-zionists, Americans included pay homage to the land of their fathers.
Obama said in Nairobi last week “I’m the first Kenyan American to be President of the United States.”
I found no one complaining about dual loyalties.
The New York Times simply noted that he paid homage to the land of his father.
And so can pro-zionists, Americans included pay homage to the land of their fathers.
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Sounds good to me. Pollack for a nuclear armed Iran.
Perhaps Mr Pollard will soon be welcomed ‘home’ in Israel and then honored with his face on an Israeli postage stamp, just as Russia did for the British traitor Kim Philby.
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It's not the "Israelis Just Don't Get America," it's "They Just Don't Care."
How can they get away with not caring about what America wants or needs or prefers? (even though their survival hinges on the military and economic aid we provide and the security and political cover we provide).
Just ask our politicians. Across both parties. A living, talking, sniveling hall of shame.
How dare the Republicans lecture Americans or Democrats about "patriotism," when their actions, words and demands so often put Israeli interests ahead of American interests and very much at the expense of vital and key American interests necessary to secure our people, our economy and our lives.
How can they get away with not caring about what America wants or needs or prefers? (even though their survival hinges on the military and economic aid we provide and the security and political cover we provide).
Just ask our politicians. Across both parties. A living, talking, sniveling hall of shame.
How dare the Republicans lecture Americans or Democrats about "patriotism," when their actions, words and demands so often put Israeli interests ahead of American interests and very much at the expense of vital and key American interests necessary to secure our people, our economy and our lives.
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Israel right wing treats American politics with contempt. They know they can get away with anything and compel USA to support them, irrespective of merits of the case. The way Republicans colluded with Israel prime minister to mock and insult US president Obama , is an example. US politicians, with their blind support for Israel, has demeaned themselves and rightfully deserve the contempt that Israel has for US politics.
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So Pollard got caught spying on the U.S. for our close friend and ally and for that crime was sentenced to life in prison. But it's okay if the U.S. gets caught spying on its close friend and ally, Germany. Who goes to jail for that?
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pollard's intel was traded to the soviets by our "friends." israel is happy to sell us down the river yet they, and their evangelical american cronies, expect us to finance them and to die for them.
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there is no proof that the soviets received any info. because of pollard.
it simply not true that any american blood was ever spilled for Israel.
it simply not true that any american blood was ever spilled for Israel.
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And who has the US traded its intel from 60+ years of spying on Germany with?
Everybody spies on everybody, and everybody trades or sells everybody else's secrets to everyone else.
This indignation is hypocrisy.
Who is dying for whom?
Everybody spies on everybody, and everybody trades or sells everybody else's secrets to everyone else.
This indignation is hypocrisy.
Who is dying for whom?
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I'm sure the French and Germans would have a thing or two to say about the idea of one ally spying on another. And recent leaks have revealed that America has also been spying on the highest levels of Israeli military communication, including its most secretive missions. It's rather hard to take this sanctimoniousness seriously.
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Actually Americans don't get Israel. The country is not Brooklyn-on-the-Med. It is not Bialystock-by-the-sea. It grew out of a Middle Eastern population every bit as callous and ruthless as the Arab populations around it. The image projected to the world, where necessary, is European, but underneath is pure survival instinct that treats most others as potential enemies and few if any as friends worth treating as such.
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The saying goes "hold your friends close, your enemies closer". The corollary to that is "those who are closest to you are probably your enemies".
Israel has certainly been acting like anything but a friend, of late. They have meddled in our presidential election, established working relations directly with U.S. legislators to undermine the administration, and God knows what else behind the scenes, as Mr. Pollard's case reminds us. These are not the actions of a friend.
Israel has certainly been acting like anything but a friend, of late. They have meddled in our presidential election, established working relations directly with U.S. legislators to undermine the administration, and God knows what else behind the scenes, as Mr. Pollard's case reminds us. These are not the actions of a friend.
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We are living in another period of time in the world when hatred of Jews and Israel is manifest throughout Europe and the Middle East. But as the large number of ill-tempered and uniformed comments appearing here demonstrates all too vividly, Israel and Jews are not immune to abuse and slander even in this country, at least among the segment of our population with internet access to the Times. I see very rough days ahead for Jewish Americans, and the need for them to do much more collectively to counteract the animus from far- leftists currently being directed against Israel, starting with a hard look at the question of whether the Democratic Party is really good for Jews.
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as a fellow jew, I think you need to do something about your victim complex buddy
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no problem with jewish americans, but no loyalty to israel. the anti-semitism card is frequently pulled when anyone questions anything israel does. I have no love for iran, the saudis, or their friends, but we don't owe israel anything.
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@warne -- I'm not feeling victimized and fully intend to remain that way.
You should do the same, buddy.
You should do the same, buddy.
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"Pollard's Release Shows that [Right-wing Extremist] Israelis Don't Get America."
They never will because the core reactor of their extremist views is fueled by an enriched nihilistic, fatalist paranoia. The damage they cause to efforts to negotiate anything worthwile is infinite. It is almost sad. Then one realizes that such extremism is universal, it appears wearing the masks of patriotism, nationalism, and a variety of religious fundamentalist dogmas. All ideology can become extreme and nihilistic. True believers are willing to destroy that which they claim to struggle to save. Israeli extremists are no different. Demagogues know it too well. At present they are leading the way. We in the U.S. must pay attention to the demonizing demagoguery spouted during the 2016 primaries. In this regard we are not that exceptional.
They never will because the core reactor of their extremist views is fueled by an enriched nihilistic, fatalist paranoia. The damage they cause to efforts to negotiate anything worthwile is infinite. It is almost sad. Then one realizes that such extremism is universal, it appears wearing the masks of patriotism, nationalism, and a variety of religious fundamentalist dogmas. All ideology can become extreme and nihilistic. True believers are willing to destroy that which they claim to struggle to save. Israeli extremists are no different. Demagogues know it too well. At present they are leading the way. We in the U.S. must pay attention to the demonizing demagoguery spouted during the 2016 primaries. In this regard we are not that exceptional.
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I despise people with divided loyalties to country and that includes many American politicians who seem to think they were elected by Israel.
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Who is the injured party? The spy or the nation spied upon? Among allies, there are some things that should not happen, especially in light of all the US aid given to Israel. I've heard 3 billion a year. Would they still be our friend for 2 billion?
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So when we spy there is no injured,parties because when we spy we have good reasons andcwhen Israel does it's because they have only bad reasons
Pollard's release exemplifies Obama's deft politics. It shames an Israel who spies on America, threatens politicians, insults a sitting U.S. president, and sets out a public campaign to undermine a monumental peace treaty that could reduce the bleeding in the middle east, particularly by Americans. It is time for Israel to grow up, come out of its bedroom and behave responsibly in a community of peers. When one is paranoid enough to not trust its closest ally and billion dollar benefactor then one has a problem of character. Otherwise, we love Israel!
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Why do people say Israel is the United States' closest ally?
I thought that was Great Britain. Or Canada.
Israel is little more than a constant irritant to US interests in the Middle East, a petulant trust funder getting up to all sorts of questionable antics on Daddy's bank account, a quasi-rogue nation that owns the support of a decreasing block of American voters and politicians and has the temerity to send its angry little leader to lecture our President in our own legislature.
Wrap up Pollard with a bow and exile him to Israel. Do not return to sender.
Good riddance Pollard, and good luck Israel!
I thought that was Great Britain. Or Canada.
Israel is little more than a constant irritant to US interests in the Middle East, a petulant trust funder getting up to all sorts of questionable antics on Daddy's bank account, a quasi-rogue nation that owns the support of a decreasing block of American voters and politicians and has the temerity to send its angry little leader to lecture our President in our own legislature.
Wrap up Pollard with a bow and exile him to Israel. Do not return to sender.
Good riddance Pollard, and good luck Israel!
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Many Israelis, and American Jews, do not see him as a hero, but partially a victim of the excessive anger towards Israel from some in many of our Administrations. He was incarcerated way too long; it's a relief this man with multiple health issues will finally see the light of day.
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many don't, but many do see him as a hero.
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The American government sure has a funny - and very expensive way - of demonstrating its "excessive anger" toward Israel! The passive aggression you speak of seems a much more spot-on characterization of Israeli statecraft vis-a-vis its benefactor and only loyal ally in the world.
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So some do. Some consider Snowden to be a hero. You decide which makes any sense.
Now that we will release the traitor Pollard, maybe Mr. Netanyoohoo will keep his big mouth shut. Think so? I don't.
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Au contraire. Israel knows the United States all to well. Israel knows how to manipulate, how to blackmail, every one of our leaders with "dirt" that can be used against them if they refuse to be completely obliging to their demands. Evidence: the most recent visit to Congress by Benjamin Netanyahu who held its members in a hypnotic, obedient trance,
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Why is the hiring of one of Amir's lawyers germane?
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Our government must exit our relationship with Israel. It's a rogue state that spies on our government, illegally seizes most of the lands of historic Palestine without any colorable right to do so, assassinates scientific leadership in Iran, and regularly attacks its neighbors for pretextual and insignificant disputes such as the "kidnapping" of Israeli soldiers. But it a larger context, we simply have no shared interests with Israel. To the contrary, our support of this "critical ally" has caused most of the terrorism against us, and the huge costs to contain it. Exit Israel now!
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I wonder, do the Israelis ever sit down and think how much the U.S. has actually done for them and suffered as a consequence; in political goodwill, lost lives etc.?
I really do hope, that Mr. Pollard's release will change their attitude and behaviour so that the milestone agreement with Iran will be signed on.
I really do hope, that Mr. Pollard's release will change their attitude and behaviour so that the milestone agreement with Iran will be signed on.
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What am I missing here? Didn't Pollard do it first of all for the money and then - maybe - for Israel?
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"She even hired a lawyer who had previously been involved in the defense of Yigal Amir, who in 1995 assassinated Mr. Rabin, then the prime minister."
Maybe this is a minor point, but this seems like an unnecessary attack. Who a lawyer represents often (usually) doesn't reflect their own views, it's their job. And even an assassin deserves legal representation.
Maybe this is a minor point, but this seems like an unnecessary attack. Who a lawyer represents often (usually) doesn't reflect their own views, it's their job. And even an assassin deserves legal representation.
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This op-ed gives light to things I wasn't aware of. That said, Jonathan Pollard's sentence is served, 30 years, and he is eligible for parole--it was granted. He would have gotten parole in any case. This is coincidental to the Iran deal. A lot of this brouhaha is manufactured by the media.
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MB: Not only manufactured by the media, but then reinforced by many of the comments herein. Question really should be in this and almost every other NYT comment section, how many have read beyond a NYT article or even understood the facts in the associated article before commenting? Given how often I see factless, emotional comments or comments that just get the facts plain wrong, I'd guess, not many.
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The right wing conservative nonsense coming out of Israel lately does not help their cause. Wish they would stop it for their own good. However, conservatives do have a tenuous grasp on reality and would rather cling to their stories of bravery and self made man nonsense. We'll see where it ends up.
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t.b.s. If you are referring to Israel's fear concerning Iran obtaining a bomb, then I've got news for you: the left-wing in Israel is united with its right-wing opponents on this one.
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Its shame for America it cannot hold, it values, law and principal against Israel.
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I would not call Israel rejoicing at Mr Pollards release a further strain upon our relations with them but just a statement of fact which the USA is oblivious to.Israel pretends that are our most important ally and a beacon of democracy and freedom in the mideast deserving of our unending support.Nothing could be furthur from the truth.They are a expansionist ruthless regime that has killed hundreds of thousands to secure what they feel is a defensible boarder, recently seizing 1000 acres of gaza, uprooting Bedouin villages to build more illegal settlements.They are everything they condemn and nothing they pretend to be.It is time for the USA to wake up to this charade.
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The response of the US public has received little attention in Mr. Bergman's op ed. Israel must fear loss of support from that group. The special status Israel has will remain in place despite opposition for some time, but eventually it will be lost if Israel continues to treat the US as a despised resource for funding and weapons.
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Note: I'm not defending Pollard or decrying him here.
It's naive, hypocritical, and ridiculous to position this in a context of Shamir, Peres, and Rabin should have stopped the "spy at the heart of the country’s closest ally" when the US has spies in Israel, at the heart of ITS closest ally, and spies in every one of its other allies' governments as well. And every one of them spies on every one of the other, and so on. If you don't believe this, it's because you choose to not to believe it.
Is this yet another example of the double standard the media and the world community routinely applies to Israel versus the rest of the world? "We can spy but you can't?"
I find the outrage that Israel would dare spy on the US - when the US spies on everybody everywhere - extremely hypocritical. I'm not even addressing the origin of this episode (the US breaking its agreement with Israel on critical information sharing).
When the day comes - and it certainly will - that a US spy is caught in Israel spying on the government, will the US feel the same way? Will there be indignation at the thought of the US spying "at the heart of its closest ally"; indignation sorely absent when the US was caught spying on Germany? And will the author chide the US as he has Israel?
It's naive, hypocritical, and ridiculous to position this in a context of Shamir, Peres, and Rabin should have stopped the "spy at the heart of the country’s closest ally" when the US has spies in Israel, at the heart of ITS closest ally, and spies in every one of its other allies' governments as well. And every one of them spies on every one of the other, and so on. If you don't believe this, it's because you choose to not to believe it.
Is this yet another example of the double standard the media and the world community routinely applies to Israel versus the rest of the world? "We can spy but you can't?"
I find the outrage that Israel would dare spy on the US - when the US spies on everybody everywhere - extremely hypocritical. I'm not even addressing the origin of this episode (the US breaking its agreement with Israel on critical information sharing).
When the day comes - and it certainly will - that a US spy is caught in Israel spying on the government, will the US feel the same way? Will there be indignation at the thought of the US spying "at the heart of its closest ally"; indignation sorely absent when the US was caught spying on Germany? And will the author chide the US as he has Israel?
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Speaking for myself, as a Jewish American,, I have a particular love for my country. I love this country because to me this is the promised land spoken about in the Old Testament.Although, we are not a perfect society & will never be perfect, we are constantly evolving & reaching for perfection.As a minority, we re afforded the same rights as the majority. It is for this reason that I am sensitive about anyone regardless of their religion or Ideology that betrays our country, especially of people who identify themselves as being Jewish,.Pollard is not just traitor to our country but a traitor to Jewish Americans like myself.I am a Starch supporter of Israel, and I am angry at Israel for being behind this traitorous act. Having said the above,he has paid for his crime, & his final punishment should be his exile from our country, & never be permitted to return.As far as, Israel is concerned, they should apologize to us for their betrayal of our friendship.
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Exactly
I wonder if you or the other bashers only would feel same vehement way if Israel caught a U.S. citizen spying for America the friendly ally. You know 30 years, traitor. And if same spy's religion would serve in the same manner as Pollard's
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First, Pollard is a traitor and should be kept on close watch here, in the U.S. But to criticize his hero status in Israel? That's up to them. Interesting how we have statues to many of our own traitors in the South. Seems one person's traitor is another's hero.
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Citizens of both countries should realize that the right wing in both countries are insane and will do any evil to gain or hold power. That countries spy is a given but allies do not betray each other as Israel did in the Liberty ship murders . Israel has committed more crimes than any group in the Middle East . As true friends we should openly oppose these actions .
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Wow! Israel has committed more crimes than any group in the Middle East! We're worse than the Assad government, than Saddam Hussein, serial Iranian, Saudi and several other governments. That's impressive. Good to see that antisemitism or maybe just plain ignorance is alive and well in the Old Country.
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Funny how none of the GOP 2016 candidates are criticizing the Obama administration for releasing a convicted Jewish American spy. The Israelis have been lobbying for Pollard's release since his conviction. Pollard is a convicted traitor here and a national hero in Israel. This is our greatest ally? This release is the appeasement that Israel wants as part of the Iran deal with the world. Imagine if Guantanamo detainees were released, how most Americans would feel? At least the Guantanamo detainees were not convicted by any court.
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What is worst is that they feel that they can humiliate and insult President Obama and Secretary Kerry publicly. What good can possibly come from this behavior, is beyond me. The insinuation that these men are "naive", is just another way to say they are not smart enough. What it is ironic is the Israelis behavior shows naivete about human nature, every action, can bring a reaction, not a good reaction, I am afraid.
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Pollard's background investigation was seemingly very thorough but ignored by incompetent bureaucrats. It is increasingly clear to me that Israel and its fellow travelers who reside here will sell the U.S. down the river every time to achieve Israel's own ends. I don't trust Israel any more than it trusts the U.S. Allies is probably too strong a word for this feckless relationship.
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Ship Pollard to the country he spied for. I'm sure that the foreign aid our politicians send to Israel can be used to build a good home for him on land confiscated from a Palestinian family.
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It is not so surprising that Israel does not trust the Americans.
Anyone who knows anything about Judaism will understand that the West is viewed as a fickle convenience not as a friend. Basically, Israel views other nations, including the United States defensively.
Considering the fact that Europeans have demonstrated the most horrific antisemitism in history, can we blame Israel?
If we are honest Israel has no strong Allies. From a group of Indian type Nomads to modern day Israel, the Nation has never had any strong allies in its history.
Anyone who knows anything about Judaism will understand that the West is viewed as a fickle convenience not as a friend. Basically, Israel views other nations, including the United States defensively.
Considering the fact that Europeans have demonstrated the most horrific antisemitism in history, can we blame Israel?
If we are honest Israel has no strong Allies. From a group of Indian type Nomads to modern day Israel, the Nation has never had any strong allies in its history.
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Israel is putting itself in a box and alienating its friends and
allies. Israel is not Judaism: it is a democratic nation. It is tragic to watch Israel treat the Palestinians just as the Jews were treated...antisemitism in reverse. I have always respected the moral high ground of the Jews---that is fast eroding and a tragic loss as a moral compass of the world. If Israel continues in its policies not only Israel is in danger. Our "knee jerk" reaction to continue to arm/support Israel harms the US in our relations with the rest of the world.
allies. Israel is not Judaism: it is a democratic nation. It is tragic to watch Israel treat the Palestinians just as the Jews were treated...antisemitism in reverse. I have always respected the moral high ground of the Jews---that is fast eroding and a tragic loss as a moral compass of the world. If Israel continues in its policies not only Israel is in danger. Our "knee jerk" reaction to continue to arm/support Israel harms the US in our relations with the rest of the world.
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The two great as yet unanswered questions of our time. In cosmology, why is there something instead of nothing? And in the affairs of our Nation, why do we permit ourselves to be exploited so shamefully and so persistently by Israel? I doubt either question will be answered in this century as our mindless, hugely expensive counterproductive aid and protection for Israel continues blindly.
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It may have been a monumentally stupid play on Israel's part to have accepted Pollard but it started with the monumentally stupid US spy agency hiring him in the first place. If he was so unreliable (taken from what the Times said about his psychological profile and errant life style) why was he useful to us in the first place. Reminds me of another misstep by the CIA in hiring a renegade analyst, now living in Russia - anyone come to mind? Everything else from there is predicable.
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The article states, "The Israeli government even issued Mr. Pollard an Israeli identity card and published a public admission that he spied for Israel – the opposite of what should have been done to speed his release." I would suggest that this is the opposite of what should have been expected of an ally that receives considerable financial and other support from the United States.
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Until reading this, I had not been aware that it had been publicly established that the Pollard affair resulted in it becoming more difficult for Jews to receive U.S. security clearances. But as a Jew, and as someone who once enjoyed secret security clearance (pre-Pollard), I always suspected that the Pollard episode would indeed have such repercussions.
And, more to the point, I do not blame the CIA, FBI, or U.S. government one iota for taking that stance.
By contrast, what I would say to Pollard, and to the Israeli government for the knife they stuck into the back of their staunchest ally, could never be printed here.
And, more to the point, I do not blame the CIA, FBI, or U.S. government one iota for taking that stance.
By contrast, what I would say to Pollard, and to the Israeli government for the knife they stuck into the back of their staunchest ally, could never be printed here.
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Personally, I grow weary of Israeli machinations. Their paranoid entrenchment and refusal to adapt any empathy for the "others" is getting very, very old.
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Some commenters seem to think that Pollard is the only spy that was ever around and that Israel is the only country that employs spies.
In case you haven't noticed, we here in the US employ spies and we do spy on our allies. As Angela Merkel from Germany. How would you feel if Germany imprisoned our spies for very long sentences?
Pollard has already served 30 years. It is enough.
In case you haven't noticed, we here in the US employ spies and we do spy on our allies. As Angela Merkel from Germany. How would you feel if Germany imprisoned our spies for very long sentences?
Pollard has already served 30 years. It is enough.
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The influence of APAC is a serious threat to the U.S. The way US congressmen and senators kowtow to it is sickening ..... Israel and the US are good friends but not "joined at the hip." To questions Israeli foreign policy is simply not allowed; one is charged with anti-semitism rather than have a meaningful conversation. How could Netanyahu get a standing ovation when he addressed Congress -- after he so strongly criticized President Obama? We pay billions for Israel's military hardware. But any criticism of Israel gets us a slap in the face.
There is a reason American Jews started J Street which calls for a sensible foreign policy with Israel and not the "knee jerk" reaction of 100% support for Israel not matter what.
There is a reason American Jews started J Street which calls for a sensible foreign policy with Israel and not the "knee jerk" reaction of 100% support for Israel not matter what.
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Jonathan Pollard self-recruited himself, initially providing Israeli diplomats with copies of the highest level classified documents. Soon thereafter he was under the control of Israeli intelligence case officers, one of whom was the Israeli Air Force attache in Washington.
Once trained by his case officers, he was told to collect highly classified all-source documents on many subjects, a task he performed aggressively. Most documents dealt with Middle East issues of Israeli interest. Pollard also was directed to obtain key information on the Soviet Union, including on subjects not of particular Israeli interest, but which would be of great interest to the Russians.
The Israeli government leadership was so impressed with his performance that they flew him and his wife to Israel to meet with Israeli leaders and to give him a secret national award, as well as money and jewelry for his wife.
Following Pollard's messy arrest outside the Israeli embassy, the State Department sent its senior legal officer, Abraham Sofaer to Israeli to retrieve the one million pages or so of highly sensitive documents he had stolen. After several days of talks, the Israeli government handed over only a few of the lesser classified documents, refusing to do any more.
Key questions - why the major interest in the Russian documents? How were they used and why refuse to return them to the US? Was there a connection to Russia changing its exit visa policy for Russian Jews?
Once trained by his case officers, he was told to collect highly classified all-source documents on many subjects, a task he performed aggressively. Most documents dealt with Middle East issues of Israeli interest. Pollard also was directed to obtain key information on the Soviet Union, including on subjects not of particular Israeli interest, but which would be of great interest to the Russians.
The Israeli government leadership was so impressed with his performance that they flew him and his wife to Israel to meet with Israeli leaders and to give him a secret national award, as well as money and jewelry for his wife.
Following Pollard's messy arrest outside the Israeli embassy, the State Department sent its senior legal officer, Abraham Sofaer to Israeli to retrieve the one million pages or so of highly sensitive documents he had stolen. After several days of talks, the Israeli government handed over only a few of the lesser classified documents, refusing to do any more.
Key questions - why the major interest in the Russian documents? How were they used and why refuse to return them to the US? Was there a connection to Russia changing its exit visa policy for Russian Jews?
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"He was accepted into American intelligence and promoted, despite documented instances of lying, cheating, flagrant security breaches and problematic PSYCHOLOGICAL DIAGNOSES." Who in their right mind in the American Intelligence community would not only HIRE but then PROMOTE such a character? I believe that the American and Israeli recruiters should have been more severely punished than this dupe with James Bond fantasies.
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just the tip of the cheeseburger. it goes back to Dallas, LBJ, Gulf of Tonkin
montage, the Liberty(1968). Notice they mined the Naval vein. all this is what's behind the Israeli arrogance in the face of a common sense approach to Iran,
and to their neighbors. a shepherd cares only about his flock and no one else's.
montage, the Liberty(1968). Notice they mined the Naval vein. all this is what's behind the Israeli arrogance in the face of a common sense approach to Iran,
and to their neighbors. a shepherd cares only about his flock and no one else's.
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"The argument that Mr. Pollard has been jailed longer than other nations’ spies is a legitimate one."
This ignores the distinction between a foreign national caught spying for a foreign nation and a traitor.
This ignores the distinction between a foreign national caught spying for a foreign nation and a traitor.
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Most Israelis know America only through American Jewish friends or US Zionist organizations in several large cities, for whom Israel is a focus and sometimes even an obsession. If Israelis have non-Jewish acquaintances at all, these are conservatives or evangelicals, for whom Israel is a special priority. Many in Israel don't know other Americans -- the majority -- at all. They meet few people who don't call the West Bank "Judaea and Samaria," who don't believe that Jewish settlements are valid, or who don't hold Israel to be some kind of U.S. commonwealth. Though most Americans believe in Israel's right to exist and its right to defend itself, opinions diverge from those of Israel's devotees here and in Israel. Jonathan Pollard should have gone to prison for a long time.
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Clothe Pollard in a GLAD bag and ship him to the country he spied for. Israel can use the foreign aid our politicians give them to build a home for Pollard on land they confiscated from a Palestinian family.
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I have followed this case from the outset. It is reasonable that Pollard be paroled - 30 years is a long time. But I suggest that the conditions of parole are key. From Wikipedia "parolees are still considered to be serving their sentences, and may be returned to prison if they violate the conditions of their parole."
So a good place to start would be requiring his continued presence in the US and other conditions that would help ensure the conditions of parole and indeed, the conditions of his plea agreement, can be enforced.
So a good place to start would be requiring his continued presence in the US and other conditions that would help ensure the conditions of parole and indeed, the conditions of his plea agreement, can be enforced.
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Excellent informative article. Pollard was an American, I repeat - an American traitor before he conveniently became an Israeli citizen. Let's not forget this fact. He sold out to a foreign government. I am disappointed that he is being released. In another era he would have suffered a much more severe fate. Yes, he has caused grievous harm to our country but also to patriotic, hard-working Jewish-Americans who are mortified by his behavior. Oh well. Now he will return to a hero's welcome by the Netanyahu administration who will probably make him Real Estate Mogul in the West Bank.
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Unless the US has the backbone to treat him as a parolee ilo a free man.
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You know I just realized that the United States of America right at this moment has the opportunity to have its first Jewish President in the History of the Republic, and the NYT, which has a clear bias towards the Israel lobby, doesn't even seem to notice that he is running, and he can pull crowds. When I was a young fellow Jews marched in Selma and they led labor unions. There was a dedication to mankind beyond the tribe. What happened?
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The fact that Bernie being Jewish is so incidental to his campaign is incredible and a very good indicator. Bernie is drawing crowds because he's Bernie and because of what he believes, not because he represents this or that ethnicity, religion, etc.
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Those days have long gone .... The picture is quite different now: no matter who is the President, non-Jew or Jew, he or she cannot do much because some in US Senate and Congress are bought with money by powerful Zionist Lobbies, AIPAC one of them. A very recent example is NY Senator C. Shumer, whose loyal service to the state of Israel's makes him more a member of the Kneset than the U.S. Senate. It happens he is a Jew, but how about the neighboring state's Senator from Cuban descent, the Honorable Bob Menendez, who is unappolgetically fighting against the Iran agreement? It's the power of money, no matter who is the President.
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I am not in favor of the release of Pollard who betrayed his country and should die in jail. But in reading the most popular 30 or 40 comments on this article in the nation's premier newspaper it is impossible not to notice the raw, unfettered, one-sided hatred Israel draws. It's positively chilling.
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Yes, Mr. Pollard committed serious crimes for which he has been severely punished. Yes, he and his supporters have made mistakes throughout his imprisonment. But he is (most likely) not going to commit further crimes once released. And forgiveness is a wonderful thing, especially for those who forgive.
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Could we extend that forgiveness, please, to the remaining inhabitants of Guantanamo who have yet to be proven guilty of anything and have yet to be even brought to trial?
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Ex-CIA head Woolsey and a host of other leading figures including those most ivnolved in the case said Pollard should have been released long ago if not for the fact that's he's a Jew.
He served his sentence for spying for a FRIENDLY country more than almost any other spy guilty of spying for a HOSTILE country.
The leftist Israeli author writing this piece is just one more leftist of convenience that NY Times is so proud to hire services of as usual.
This author admits he was prosecuted by Israel and the way he writes one can understand why as he generalizes blame on "Israel" i.e. all Israel. lol
If an American spy was caught by Israel then I would imagine in short time same would have been released.
He served his sentence for spying for a FRIENDLY country more than almost any other spy guilty of spying for a HOSTILE country.
The leftist Israeli author writing this piece is just one more leftist of convenience that NY Times is so proud to hire services of as usual.
This author admits he was prosecuted by Israel and the way he writes one can understand why as he generalizes blame on "Israel" i.e. all Israel. lol
If an American spy was caught by Israel then I would imagine in short time same would have been released.
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Who will not forgive him? The Republicans? who are more pro Israel than most Israelis, Democrats? who are more anti Iran than many sensible Jews? I will bet given a chance, American Congress will cheer for him more loudly than they ever did for President Obama.
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The Samuel Sheinbein case showed Israel's contempt for America. The Pollard case is more of the same.
The one who pays the piper calls the tune, and if Israel doesn't accede to reasonable demands, I suggest we put our annual $3 billion-plus into the State of Mississippi instead of the State of Israel.
The one who pays the piper calls the tune, and if Israel doesn't accede to reasonable demands, I suggest we put our annual $3 billion-plus into the State of Mississippi instead of the State of Israel.
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Ah...shady politics at play. Everyday somewhere shady politics rears its ugly side into the media and we're all outraged at that moment. This worm whom is about to be set free is one of many in a long line of shady deals between governments. He will be forgotten about when the next incident occurs with some other spy or country. So whats so suprising? Spydom is filled with the treacherous, misguided, lying, at times murderous individuals without souls and or loyalty. At the root is money and greed. For some it is truly to give the home country an advantage over an adversary maybe it is all of the above. But please spare the surprise and anger because it really doesn't do any good. This is what goes on everyday. It is reality. It is the stuff of international intrigue. Until someone is caught and it fills the medias thirst for good news and we excoriate the guilty in blogs and feedback such as this its just another day in the life of. Now what did I do with that James Bond dvd?
The release of Mr. pollard will not end the spying Israel is continuing to do ..
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Pollard's conviction and sentence was not due to "anti-Semitism" but rather due to his anti-Americanism. While the USA works to protect our ally, Israel, who will protect the USA from Israel's spies? Spying by an "enemy" is less offensive than spying by an "ally". - Just Thinking
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Spying by an enemy is understandable; spying by an ally is reprehensible.
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Goes to show how Israel has an outside influence on our politics then and now. The prime minister might as well be the Speaker of The House for the GOP after the stunt Bibi pulled few months back lecturing our country and the president on the evils of Iran. Israel expects us to bend over backwards for them with out doing the same for us.
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Mr. Bergman is right on the mark with this one. The mantra 'no daylight between us' always was and always will be a charade.
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Rereading this article this morning has only reinforced my opinion that Pollard should be sent to Israel sans an American passport and never permitted to enter this country again.
Israel has bitten the American hand that feeds it so many times that it is way past due to cut off military and other aid to a renegade nation. No one, including me, denies the holocaust and the efforts of David Ben Gurion and that generation to build Israel and to try to preserve its existence during its early years.
Now we have AIPAC running our foreign policy that is, in many cases, not in our national interest. Mr. President, stop the funding now.
Israel has bitten the American hand that feeds it so many times that it is way past due to cut off military and other aid to a renegade nation. No one, including me, denies the holocaust and the efforts of David Ben Gurion and that generation to build Israel and to try to preserve its existence during its early years.
Now we have AIPAC running our foreign policy that is, in many cases, not in our national interest. Mr. President, stop the funding now.
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I would find an Israeli celebration for this traitor to be galling. However, I am not surprised that the Israeli government behaves ruthlessly in pursuing what they often mistakenly believe to be their "national interest". Nor should we assume that the majority of American Jews secretly condone this sort of behavior since they solidly vote for the Democratic Party and a majority actually support the diplomatic deal with Iran. No, the worst fanatical "Israeli first" supporters are actually Armageddon Evangelical Christians who happen to make up much of the base of the GOP and virtually all of their presidential candidates. Their deranged theology which seeks to promote war and ethnic cleansing to bring about the end of the world makes America a mere appendage to the most fanatical forms of Zionist ultra-nationalism which they revere above all else-just look at Mike Huckabee. When will these 18 million Christian Zionists and their ISIS like apocalyptic theology, along with their GOP politicians be held accountable for their treasonous loyalty to Netanyahu before America, and their promotion of so much bloodshed since the June War of 1967?
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I thought treason was a capital offense. Why wasn't he executed?
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Spies are very rarely executed. Even spies who did much, much more damage to our security, like Robert Hanssen whose breach was responsible for a t least two deaths wasn't executed.
As the article notes, Pollard's 30 year sentence was a crisply much longer than most spying prison terms.
As the article notes, Pollard's 30 year sentence was a crisply much longer than most spying prison terms.
I disagree! Israeli's completely understand Americans.
Pollard stole intelligence that allowed Israel to become a nuclear power but we're afraid to even ask if Israel has such a weapon. Instead we accept 'deliberate ambiguiety' for the answer of a question, because of the obvious hipocracy and political peril, we don't want to know the answer too.
Israeli's understand that Americans will always support them against 'evil' Islamics and they can do virtually anything; even maintain the longest occupation of an entire indigenous people in modern history. Engage Palestinians in a 'war' in Gaza where their losses are few as opposed to over 500 children (among thousands killed or wounded and over 60,000 homes destroyed and homeless children freezing to death last winter), and still, despite the fact that only one side has planes, tank, artillery modern military weapons, all supplied by U.S. Americans along with a yearly stipend of 3.5 billion, with a straight face, call it 'war'.
Even now, the Iranian 'bogeyman' is vital to Israel's plans to seize all of the West Bank (for defensive purposes) and drive out the un- chosen because such people number nearly 2 million and giving them the vote and equal rights "would destroy the Jewish character of the state" when Arabs would "flock to the poles".
Israel understands the streak that runs though this country suspicious of foreigners and immigrants so throw in some 'darker skin' and the understanding is complete.
Pollard stole intelligence that allowed Israel to become a nuclear power but we're afraid to even ask if Israel has such a weapon. Instead we accept 'deliberate ambiguiety' for the answer of a question, because of the obvious hipocracy and political peril, we don't want to know the answer too.
Israeli's understand that Americans will always support them against 'evil' Islamics and they can do virtually anything; even maintain the longest occupation of an entire indigenous people in modern history. Engage Palestinians in a 'war' in Gaza where their losses are few as opposed to over 500 children (among thousands killed or wounded and over 60,000 homes destroyed and homeless children freezing to death last winter), and still, despite the fact that only one side has planes, tank, artillery modern military weapons, all supplied by U.S. Americans along with a yearly stipend of 3.5 billion, with a straight face, call it 'war'.
Even now, the Iranian 'bogeyman' is vital to Israel's plans to seize all of the West Bank (for defensive purposes) and drive out the un- chosen because such people number nearly 2 million and giving them the vote and equal rights "would destroy the Jewish character of the state" when Arabs would "flock to the poles".
Israel understands the streak that runs though this country suspicious of foreigners and immigrants so throw in some 'darker skin' and the understanding is complete.
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Israelis don't get the US?
Israel gets $3.5B a year plus diplomatic full coverage for their aggressions, a few of which:
- Sharon's Lebanon invasion, which is what brought about Hezbollah in the first place
- Their beat down of the 1987 intifada, which created Hamas, which didn't exist before that
- Their bombing of the Gaza, an open air prison, last year
- Their relentless theft and self entitled settlement of the West Bank
I'd say Israel gets the US plenty.
Israel gets $3.5B a year plus diplomatic full coverage for their aggressions, a few of which:
- Sharon's Lebanon invasion, which is what brought about Hezbollah in the first place
- Their beat down of the 1987 intifada, which created Hamas, which didn't exist before that
- Their bombing of the Gaza, an open air prison, last year
- Their relentless theft and self entitled settlement of the West Bank
I'd say Israel gets the US plenty.
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You forgot the take down of Iraq due to largely jewish neocon advice that still persists in the right wing here.That got us the Arab Spring that got us ISIS.Israel knows this all too well and it is part of their plan.It is easier to steal from your enemies than your friends.
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All countries, friends and foes alike, spy on one another. Israel was spying on talks with Iran to know how the negotiations might affect its interests. That is how business gets done everywhere.
So, it is much ado about nothing. As for your assertion that Israelis don't get America, it is naïve. The celebrate the release of a prisoner. When Britain released the PanAm bomber from its custody, Libyans welcomed him as a hero as well. Unless we are going to war with Israel, any ticker tape parade they might hold for this guy is just that: empty celebration by people who otherwise have nothing much to cheer.
Moving on.
So, it is much ado about nothing. As for your assertion that Israelis don't get America, it is naïve. The celebrate the release of a prisoner. When Britain released the PanAm bomber from its custody, Libyans welcomed him as a hero as well. Unless we are going to war with Israel, any ticker tape parade they might hold for this guy is just that: empty celebration by people who otherwise have nothing much to cheer.
Moving on.
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One thing is obvious to me. Texans are no longer running the White House. Obama is willing to match wits with the Sunnis and Shiites in the Middle East, changing sides, changing proxy combatants, and changing his mind. He is either brilliant or foolish.
But, Americans, used to Shock and Awe as a response to all problems and issues, don't even see what game Obama is now playing.
The release of Pollard, a convicted spy, is a perfect example. Obama is not giving the Israeli government something in return for accepting America's rapprochement with Iran.
The release of Pollard is a subtle reminder for those that think Israel is the 52nd state, that Israel is--in fact--a devious foreign country. The symbolism of Pollard (Israeli agent) on the front page of the NYT at the same time Netanyahu insists on addressing the US Congress is excellent. Too bad it is too subtle for some.
But, Americans, used to Shock and Awe as a response to all problems and issues, don't even see what game Obama is now playing.
The release of Pollard, a convicted spy, is a perfect example. Obama is not giving the Israeli government something in return for accepting America's rapprochement with Iran.
The release of Pollard is a subtle reminder for those that think Israel is the 52nd state, that Israel is--in fact--a devious foreign country. The symbolism of Pollard (Israeli agent) on the front page of the NYT at the same time Netanyahu insists on addressing the US Congress is excellent. Too bad it is too subtle for some.
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At this time I am reminded of an old saying, that I have modified: The message for Israel AND America is clear: now, it matters not what you believe, what you think, or what you say; what matters now is WHAT YOU DO!
The world will be watching...
The world will be watching...
As Israeli I don't have slightest respect for this man. He is greedy, not a patriot. he is an american not israeli. If he decides to immigrate to Israel and will be a demonstration against his arrival, I'll be there.
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If Obama can pardon Pollard, who did more harm to the U.S. than Edward Snowden and Chelsea Manning did combined, then he should pardon them, too. Pollard spied out of pure greed, while Snowden and Manning exposed U.S. Government and Military malfeasance to "We The People".
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Perhaps they should serve their 30 years in federal prison then be pardoned.
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He did not pardon him, he is being paroled. And Swowden's and Manning's actions have caused far more serious harm, likely even the deaths of American soldiers and others.
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No one is being pardoned. Pollard has served his sentence, and is now being paroled.
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Meanwhile, the US spies on its close allies (tapping the cellphone of Angela Merkel, etc.) and becomes outraged when its allies do the same.
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This was a traitor among our midst Wally. Not a foreign nation tapping phone lines. And it is also a case of Israel adding fuel to the fire by loudly demanding this 'hero' be released for many years.
Both spying scenarios are sleazy....but Israel is clueless about American sentiments or equally likely, unfazed by them...until it starts hitting the policy front (e.g., loss of favored nation status)....which is coming.
Both spying scenarios are sleazy....but Israel is clueless about American sentiments or equally likely, unfazed by them...until it starts hitting the policy front (e.g., loss of favored nation status)....which is coming.
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A shame Ronen didn't have a senior position in the Israeli cabinet back when Mr. Pollard began his escapades. The author nails it. Pollard is a traitor and will ALWAYS be viewed as one through American eyes.
While the release is a savvy political move, it still angers me deeply. He should rot in prison for the rest of his days. Everyone may spy....but no other country receives the nearly UNQUESTIONING support of the United States in the way Israel does.
Given the hard right behavior of Bibi and his ilk....and the muted response of Israeli opposition, I hope we make greater inroads away from this country....whose interests are not aligned with those of the United States.
We've been supporting them since inception. A good place to start might be to limit our support to a guarantee of sovereignty and cut off everything else.
Enough.
While the release is a savvy political move, it still angers me deeply. He should rot in prison for the rest of his days. Everyone may spy....but no other country receives the nearly UNQUESTIONING support of the United States in the way Israel does.
Given the hard right behavior of Bibi and his ilk....and the muted response of Israeli opposition, I hope we make greater inroads away from this country....whose interests are not aligned with those of the United States.
We've been supporting them since inception. A good place to start might be to limit our support to a guarantee of sovereignty and cut off everything else.
Enough.
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In the 30 years since Pollard was discovered the American public now gets it that in the eyes of Israelis America is a utility, not a friend. Knowing this allows us to keep a realistic distance from them and share intelligence only on a narrow need-to-know basis, and only if it serves our interests. This was an education that Israelis are utterly unable to comprehend they were giving us and now that we've got it we don't need to hold on to Pollard any longer...
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Issues of betrayal abound regularly in the US and although Pollard was a spy for Israel, he was not the last! Moving back to the "traitor" issue, one could ask; Was our Republican Congress inviting Netanyahu come to the US and speak against our President and our efforts in Iran "treason"? When our Congresspeople accept monies from foreign entities, is that treason? When our businesses move their addresses to another country to avoid paying taxes, Is that "treason"? Of course, the list is endless.
The key is Pollard was a spy for Israel! Obama, as is his ilk, will most likely cave in to the lobby and allow this guy to go to Israel even though it will do absolutely nothing to change the politics of the Iran deal! That is our politic today, that is why treason is just a name used by the State to support its own self interest! That is also why no corporate criminals ever go to jail in our country any more! There is really no such thing as traitor!
The key is Pollard was a spy for Israel! Obama, as is his ilk, will most likely cave in to the lobby and allow this guy to go to Israel even though it will do absolutely nothing to change the politics of the Iran deal! That is our politic today, that is why treason is just a name used by the State to support its own self interest! That is also why no corporate criminals ever go to jail in our country any more! There is really no such thing as traitor!
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Pollard is who opened American eyes to the fact that Israel was not our friend and not our ally, that rather that they merely see us as useful idiots for them to manipulate and bilk as they see fit. Netanyahu has made it abundantly clear that he feels Israel has a perfect right to interfere with and attempt to subvert our domestic and foreign policy while demanding ever more largess from our treasury.
Israel seriously needs to do some fence mending. The older Americans and evangelical fanatics who blindly support Israel are dwindling, and the Gen X and Millennials see what Israel is doing to its neighbors and the Palestinians and are repulsed Israel long ago forfeited any claim to moral superiority, and its brutality and arrogance has driven a deep wedge between our nations.
I object strenuously to Pollard's release. If the Israelis are ungrateful and still holding a grudge regarding the capture of their spy and our traitor, then perhaps that carrot we're offering them should be withdrawn.
Israel seriously needs to do some fence mending. The older Americans and evangelical fanatics who blindly support Israel are dwindling, and the Gen X and Millennials see what Israel is doing to its neighbors and the Palestinians and are repulsed Israel long ago forfeited any claim to moral superiority, and its brutality and arrogance has driven a deep wedge between our nations.
I object strenuously to Pollard's release. If the Israelis are ungrateful and still holding a grudge regarding the capture of their spy and our traitor, then perhaps that carrot we're offering them should be withdrawn.
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In light of recent spying event in Europe (NSA) it is really heartbreaking to see the United States enraged about friendly countries spying on each other. I am sure that the American public will wholeheartedly applaud countries like France and Germany, if they should ever get the courage to arrest local American spies and their helpers who are European citizens.
Unfortunately, this is not gonna happen, since the policy of not-angering-the-US takes precedent over everything else, including French and German (not to mention other countries) law.
Pollard did on a small scale what the NSA and the locals they hire in other countries do on a grand scale every day, and continue to do, even though President Obama pretends otherwise.
Unfortunately, this is not gonna happen, since the policy of not-angering-the-US takes precedent over everything else, including French and German (not to mention other countries) law.
Pollard did on a small scale what the NSA and the locals they hire in other countries do on a grand scale every day, and continue to do, even though President Obama pretends otherwise.
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It's actually not that hard to figure out: Israel's interests are different from ours. They're a different country, in a very different neighborhood, and they have very different concerns than we do. Israelis get this. Americans think all the political, military, and economic support we've given them over the years should have bought us more respect. But, generally speaking, foreign aid, even on the massive scale Israel gets, doesn't generally lead politicians in the client state to show gratitude; they often find it necessary to "bite the hand that feeds them" to show their independence.
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One can and should ask several questions after reading this article:
Does America spy on its allies? You bet we do, so why is it OK for us to spy on our allies and condemn Israel for spying on us?
Was Mr. Pollard's sentence fair? He was given a sentence six times longer than other people convicted of spying. Is it possible, that he was that he was six times more effective than any other spy? I doubt it, so why did he get such a long sentence....because he's from Israel and it is a well documented fact that our State Dept. has a history of anti-Semitism.
Did our government act ethically in the trial? I don't think so. Mr. Pollard pled guilty at the request of the government in exchange for a commitment that they would not ask for a life sentence. Then at sentencing the US government asked for the longest possible sentence, life imprisonment.
What core values is our system of justice based on? We say "justice for all", but do we mean justice is only for people who we don't consider "loudmouths" and whose politics we like?
Ridiculous editorial that only flames anti-Israel sentiment. Perhaps someone should write an article "Pollard's Release Shows That Americans Just Don't Get Israel".
Does America spy on its allies? You bet we do, so why is it OK for us to spy on our allies and condemn Israel for spying on us?
Was Mr. Pollard's sentence fair? He was given a sentence six times longer than other people convicted of spying. Is it possible, that he was that he was six times more effective than any other spy? I doubt it, so why did he get such a long sentence....because he's from Israel and it is a well documented fact that our State Dept. has a history of anti-Semitism.
Did our government act ethically in the trial? I don't think so. Mr. Pollard pled guilty at the request of the government in exchange for a commitment that they would not ask for a life sentence. Then at sentencing the US government asked for the longest possible sentence, life imprisonment.
What core values is our system of justice based on? We say "justice for all", but do we mean justice is only for people who we don't consider "loudmouths" and whose politics we like?
Ridiculous editorial that only flames anti-Israel sentiment. Perhaps someone should write an article "Pollard's Release Shows That Americans Just Don't Get Israel".
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I'd recommend you read many of the insightful comments on here to get a pulse of many Americans' views on Pollard...which are not particularly anti-semitic as you suggest (with a few GLARING exceptions here). The man is a traitor through and through.
No doubt many Americans DON'T get Israel. They don't have to. Israel needs the United States far more than the United States needs Israel. Cutting the ties that bind would benefit the United States in many policy fronts (not least of which is anti-terrorism) and yes the billions we provide to Tel Aviv. What would Israel get? Another 7 day war....that might not go their way this time.
No doubt many Americans DON'T get Israel. They don't have to. Israel needs the United States far more than the United States needs Israel. Cutting the ties that bind would benefit the United States in many policy fronts (not least of which is anti-terrorism) and yes the billions we provide to Tel Aviv. What would Israel get? Another 7 day war....that might not go their way this time.
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Pollard had promised to protect the secrets of the government who employed him. Pollard chose to break that promise and passed those secrets to another government. Pollard committed treason.
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JK, you are just wrong. He was a spy who betrayed his oath of loyalty to this country. If there is anti Israeli sentiment it is well deserved. He should have been executed. He is lucky to have only been jailed. He did this for MONEY- pure and simple, the worst kind of betrayal. If he had done it for his country then ok, I see your point. To have Israelis celebrating his betrayal of his country is akin to Palestinians rejoicing when Israelis are killed.He was not a "loudmouth" he was a US military member who BETRAYED his oath and his fellow Americans for MONEY
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Am I correct that Israel shared the secrets they got from Pollard with South Africa and they passed them on to the Soviet Union? If so, what was that all about.
I'm not trying to create a false story but there is a reason the American intelligence community was so bitter about Pollard and it was not just that he was a spy.
I'm not trying to create a false story but there is a reason the American intelligence community was so bitter about Pollard and it was not just that he was a spy.
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Pollard betrayed his oath. It's not that he was a spy. It's that he was a traitor. If someone working in the offices of the Israeli intelligence services were to similarly steal suitcases of top-secret material and hand them over to other nations, would Israeli just say "Spies will be spies, as boys will be boys"? Bull. The traitor would never again see the light of day. Pollard is being let off lightly.
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This story just shows the true mind set of Israel towards its supposed allies...the fact that we still send them millions of our dollars for they're campaign of pure evil in Palestine is the main reason our country is hated around the world...Israel is not only a b ad ally it is a terrorist nation that should be brought up on charges of war crimes.
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"These lies were easily discovered and caused further damage."
I'm not sure how. To this reader, it seems Israeli gets away with everything and anything vis a vis their "best friend" with absolutely zero downside. A very strange bilateral dynamic indeed.
I'm not sure how. To this reader, it seems Israeli gets away with everything and anything vis a vis their "best friend" with absolutely zero downside. A very strange bilateral dynamic indeed.
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Mr. Pollard helps America ask the question we should always have been asking: "Why in the world do we help this country Israel, which has only ever made trouble for us?" While we share some values, in many other ways Israel runs by a completely different rulebook. Israel is not our enemy, but is clearly not our friend. We should keep a polite distance. No more aid, no more shared intelligence, no more diplomatic favoritism.
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Is it Israel or the US Congress running the US government? One would think Bibi is running in the republican primaries with his vitriol. The lines have become blurred these past weeks as Israel's whining about Iran treaty is broadcast over and over. It is the business of the US people and their representatives, not Netanyahu nor the state of Israel. Pollard played with fire by joining the brotherhood of Benedict Arnold, Aldrich Ames, and Judas Iscariot. He lost.
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I remember in 2009 when Scotland released the Lockerbie bomber, a man responsible for the deaths of 270 innocents. He was greeted at the airport in Libya with joyous celebrations by his fellow countrymen, a scene that turned many a civilized stomach.
I remember watching in disgust on 9/11 as Palestinians danced in the streets upon learning of the deaths of 3000 Americans.
Will Pollard's return to Israel bring that same sense of disgust that, until now, only the sworn enemies of Israel could manage to evoke?
I remember watching in disgust on 9/11 as Palestinians danced in the streets upon learning of the deaths of 3000 Americans.
Will Pollard's return to Israel bring that same sense of disgust that, until now, only the sworn enemies of Israel could manage to evoke?
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While I am glad that Pollard has been released after 30 years, the anti-American antics of PM Netanyahu have very much damaged my view of Israel. It was unconscionable that he spoke to Congress, that he criticized his host Pres. Obama on air earlier, and that he is encouraging the far right of this country to work against the United State's interests.
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Isn't an American selling our secrets to another country a treasonous crime? He should be imprisoned for life or executed.
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Read the definition of "treason" in Article 3, Section 3 of the U.S. Constitution.
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Didn't we use to impose a death sentence to U.S. citizens who commit extreme acts of treason against their country?
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Shale gas means we don't need peace in the Middle East. Let's focus on managing our economy and relationship w China, wishing the Saudis, Israelis, Egyptians and Syrians good day.
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Israel has been manipulating and spying on our nation for decades. It's leaders speak to our congress, manipulate our elections and unduly influence our foreign policy while seeking aid and weapons. Our relationship to this small nation should be reexamined.
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Why should we be surprised when Israel behaves this way? Since its establishment, Israel's story has been a litany of flagrant violations of basic human rights and international law, from its settlement of occupied territories, to its stifling control of daily Palestinian life, from its relentless killing of civilians in Gaza to the sabotage of any sort of peace talks. And what has been its punishment? Ludicrously unquestioning American support, the latest in arms and military equipment, a reliable veto of all inconvenient resolutions in the UN, a blind eye toward its nuclear capabilities...
The world thinks of Israel as America's poodle. Actually it's the other way around. America is the poodle and it's been properly trained...
The world thinks of Israel as America's poodle. Actually it's the other way around. America is the poodle and it's been properly trained...
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When the oil runs out in the Middle East so too will American patience with, need for, and deference to Israel. Give it about 50 years when all the Holocaust survivors, their children and grandchildren are mostly gone, and trends in intermarriage and declining synagogue and institutional affiliation make America's Jews even more secular than they are now and Israel will be faced with with a well of support that has gone completely dry.
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Why can't Israel and many in the US get the concept that Jason Pollard spied for another government? Even if that government is ostensibly an ally, he gave military secrets to another government. He deserved to be in prison.
It would be the same if he had spied for any other government by giving them documents of military importance.
Julian Assage escaped and now resides outside the US. If he were to return, he would receive the same treatment.
It would be the same if he had spied for any other government by giving them documents of military importance.
Julian Assage escaped and now resides outside the US. If he were to return, he would receive the same treatment.
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In recent years, through the efforts of another treasonous scoundrel, Snowden, it has been revealed that the US has had in place numerous programs of all varieties to spy on our allies. Yet 170,000 Americans signed a petition for the US Government to pardon Snowden and treat him as some sort of National hero. Fortunately, although, not, I am sure, without a great deal of hand wringing, this has been rejected. All countries operate clandestine efforts, and the recent public attitude of our administration towards Israel is not an example of how each country may find justification in maximizing its efforts to protect itself. It is a dangerous game and those who get caught may suffer the fate of Mr. Pollard, or worse. To criticize the leadership of Israel and the Mossad for taking advantage of this opportunity is somewhat misplaced.
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Personally, if this is a democracy that we are living in, we have the right to know whether our constitutional rights are being contravened by those sworn to uphold it. Thank you Mr. Snowden, for your sacrifice, you are a whistleblower not a spy.
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Nope, Israel is our ally - or at least thats what they want you to believe. To spy for (not on) an ally for money is the worst kind of betrayal. We criticize the leadership of Israel for celebrating his deceit.
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What is misplaced is your characterizing Snowden as a "treasonous scoundrel" on the same plane as Pollard. I don't know what Snowden is, but he's no Pollard. He has done the US a great service in revealing an arguably treasonous and certainly felonious long term course of conduct by the Executive and Legislative Branches of the Government, aided by the spineless abdication of the Courts. The 4th and 5th Amendments have been turned on their heads because of a big scare campaign. If you want a lying felon, look to the General who flat out lied to Congress, and nothing happened. Why not?
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Dear Mitt Romney,
People say you are personally quite close to Bibi. Or at least as close as politicians get.
Perhaps you could have a quiet word with him, and let him know that the ticker tape parade for Mr. Pollard might not be such a good idea after all.
As ever,
AJO1
People say you are personally quite close to Bibi. Or at least as close as politicians get.
Perhaps you could have a quiet word with him, and let him know that the ticker tape parade for Mr. Pollard might not be such a good idea after all.
As ever,
AJO1
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So based on articles the Times this week, this is a nation-states that spies on us, commits war crimes and crimes against humanity, shoots to death Palestinian protestors and works to undermine a historic non-proliferation deal that will actually make it safer. What's that saying again: "with friends like these..."?
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yeah..based on the TIMES
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Yes Barry based on the pro Israel Times. Sorry I forgot, if someone doesn't behave like a mouthpiece for you they are no good.
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As far as timing is concerned. I wonder if this is as much a reminder to those who would sub-contract US foreign policy to Israel, as it is a sop to Israel.
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This deal should not be a bitter pill for Israel. The deal will add some stability to the region. Iran has far more reason to distrust us and Israel than we have to distrust them. Some in Iran may chant death to American and Israel but everyone knows it's meaningless. However when Israeli and American leaders talk about bombing Iran, they have to take it seriously.
Iran also has a reason to hate us. We overthrew their elected government and put it a dictator. They've never harmed us.
Iran also has a reason to hate us. We overthrew their elected government and put it a dictator. They've never harmed us.
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The problem is the whole trust but verify thing. I just don't see a regional power house like Iran honestly following the promised path. If past moves are any indication, it would seem to be nothing more than a hedge to gain frozen assets and improve their own markets, while things carry on much the same with a bit more of a muted approach.
The deal is a mistake. But time will tell. Hopefully I'm wrong.
The deal is a mistake. But time will tell. Hopefully I'm wrong.
They have a lot of reasons not to trust us What are the past moves of which you speak. They've respected the interim agreement for the past 2 years. I often see people say that but no one ever gives examples.
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Any country that allows religious lunatics to have a strong place in decision making is ultimately doomed.All religions are dangerous because their adherents think some guy in the sky is concerned about individual human beings, however, the fanatics are really deluded.
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Our main problem in the Middle East is we have the wrong friends and the wrong enemies.
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That and we should just mind our own business,........
I don't often respond to NYT opinions; although I read them a lot. The misguided assumption that Israel is an ally; it's completely dependent on the US and the don't critisze another Jew no matter how horrific their act, makes for a widening gap in Israel US relations. More and more people are not disposed to give Israel a free pass on every awful thing they do; killing defensless babies in Gaza year after year, killing little boys for throwing rocks, apartheid policies , and trying to influence Congress to support bad Israeli policies. We need to to pull them into line or cut the line and see how they do on their own!!!
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john I - I am awed by your objectivity and grasp of the facts. What a mind.
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Don't forget the trillions of dollars US taxpayers have GIVEN Israel. Money better spent at home, no?
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Well, not trillions, but many billions directly and many more billions indirectly thru the cost of our Mid-East policies and misadventures.
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I have always thought that Israel does what it thinks is best for itself. You can approve or not, but they take care of number one first and foremost. I sometimes wish we would follow their lead and do what we think is best for us and let the Israelis take care of themselves, which they have shown they can do.
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The problem is we have far too many members of Congress who act like they are members at large of the Israeli Knesset. They are Israel firsters, but they do Israel no favors. It's too bad they can't remember which Constitution they took an oath to defend.
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Israeili's don't understand Americans? I think they probably understand some essentials. Maybe they understand that Americans rely on other people's children to fight on distant shores while almost every boy and girl in Israel is conscripted to contribute to the defense of their country . Maybe they understand that American intelligence agencies have poor enough judgement to hire and trust dubious characters like Pollard . Maybe they understand that our countries face very different realities.
That being said, the notion that Pollard would be treated as a hero is utterly repugnant.
That being said, the notion that Pollard would be treated as a hero is utterly repugnant.
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Are you joking? Israel does our fighting for us? How many members of the Israeli armed forces have been killed in battle the past 10 years. How many U.S. servicemen? They are certainly not killing civilians in Gaza in my name.
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Will someone please tell me why does the U.S. consider Israel, a self-described Jewish only state, clearly not a democracy, an ALLY? Really!
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The administration's release of an Israeli spy serves as a wake up call to those American politicians with blind allegiance to Israel that Israel looks out for Israel first. American politicians took an oath to look out for America first. What's best for America has to take priority over what Israel prefers - regardless of how much money Israel or its PACs contributes to campaign coffers; and, what some convoluted end time interpretation of the bible is embraced by some charlatan preachers in the business of selling fear, hate, and destruction.
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"What's best for America has to take priority over what Israel prefers - "
What is best for America?
What is best for America?
Certain elements of Israeli leadership demonstrate, once again, that they are not the allies they purport to be and never have. It is time we hold them at arms length and recognize that they will do what some perceive is in their best interest, even when it damages their only true supporter, us. For many years, I was a no-questions-asked supporter of Israel for many years, but enough is enough is enough. I regard Israel now much as I do the Republican Party--they've gone off the rails and cannot be trusted, ever.
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Imagine your deadbeat brother, living in your basement and complaining of his living conditions while you pay for his car (including insurance), healthcare, food and entertainment. Meanwhile, he's constantly complaining about the neighbors. That is what Israel has always been to the west. It's time to cut the cord.
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He was found to be a traitor, and should be treated as such. Who cares what the Israelis think on this matter...they were the beneficiaries of his foul deeds.
The current administration is starting to besmirch all the good work attained in the early days as its reign wanes.
The current administration is starting to besmirch all the good work attained in the early days as its reign wanes.
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I am very sorry to hear he will be paroled. Perhaps we can bring back the practice of shunning, because that is the very least that he deserves.
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All nations, including the US, spy on friendly nations -- witness the NSA's records on the German Prime Minister. This story is like dog bites man. The only part that says something "original" is wholly off-base. The release of Pollard after 30 years (the longest sentence ever for a spy from a friendly country and instigated by Cap Weinberger, a former Jew bent on showing his loyalty, will have NO effect on Israel. Obama is universally abominated for his icy shoulder, his repeated insults to Israel's Prime Minister and his sweetheart deal with the annihilationist Mullahs in Tehran. Pollard's going free will make no difference.
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Israel can take care of itself. Thanks for the diatribe.
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"The release of Pollard after 30 years (the longest sentence ever for a spy from a friendly country..." NO, he was not a spy FROM a friendly country. He was a spy FOR a "friendly" country. He is a treasonous American and should have been executed. (The Crimes Act of 1790)
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All the same, I can't wait to see the innate releasing mechanisms of the Israeli politicians and population kick in when King Jonathan returns.
What seems to be repeatedly unmentioned in discussions of Pollard is that some of the information he stole for Israel had to do with America's nuclear submarines. Why would Israel even want it? The answer seems to be that Israel traded it to our enemy, Russia, to gain the release of Russian Jews.
So Pollard was not just a spy who was getting US secrets concerninging Israel. I could tolerate the spying on a friendly nation for information necessary to its own defense. The U.S. Does it all the time, as the Snowden revelations prove. But for Israel to steal the military secrets of its closest friend and financial supporter and sell that information to its enemy is beyond the pale.
So Pollard was not just a spy who was getting US secrets concerninging Israel. I could tolerate the spying on a friendly nation for information necessary to its own defense. The U.S. Does it all the time, as the Snowden revelations prove. But for Israel to steal the military secrets of its closest friend and financial supporter and sell that information to its enemy is beyond the pale.
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Those are serious and highly speculative accusations you are bandying about. A shred of truth in this idea would lead to considerable fallout of US support for Israeli government.
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Do you have any proof to support your below statement?:
"The answer seems to be that Israel traded it to our enemy, Russia, to gain the release of Russian Jews."
"The answer seems to be that Israel traded it to our enemy, Russia, to gain the release of Russian Jews."
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Seconded.
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I thought Israel was our friend. When actions speak louder then words, they worship this man, it speaks volumes that he was not our friend he was/is a traitor who should never be allowed on American soil again.
So we trade a criminal for a peace treaty how is that ok? I just don't understand the powers that be and how they think. One thing for sure, there is a lot of evil at play here I think to use him as a pawn is as despicable as the acts he committed, and not for the LOVE of Israel for the LOVE of a dollar. IN GOD WE TRUST< but tie up your camel.
So we trade a criminal for a peace treaty how is that ok? I just don't understand the powers that be and how they think. One thing for sure, there is a lot of evil at play here I think to use him as a pawn is as despicable as the acts he committed, and not for the LOVE of Israel for the LOVE of a dollar. IN GOD WE TRUST< but tie up your camel.
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Our bought and paid-for politicians in Washington, especially republicans, always have a way to justify our unending military interventions in the Middle East because it's in our national security interests, as well as Israel's. AIPAC, a Jewish organization which has too much influence and sway over Washington pols and to that end, Israeli foreign policy, does so with $$$ and with great success.
Here is my point. If Americans soldiers have to fight these wars in the Middle East for our national security interests, as well as Israel's, then why aren't Israeli soldiers fighting alongside American soldiers on the same battlefields? If our soldiers must spill blood for U.S. and Israeli national security interests, then so should Israeli soldiers.
Here is my point. If Americans soldiers have to fight these wars in the Middle East for our national security interests, as well as Israel's, then why aren't Israeli soldiers fighting alongside American soldiers on the same battlefields? If our soldiers must spill blood for U.S. and Israeli national security interests, then so should Israeli soldiers.
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Israeli soldiers have never fought alongside those of the USA. Going as far back as the Korean war, in which the USA had over a dozen other allies, Israelis have been conspicuously absent from any American conflict. The Israel SOP is and has always been "Let's you and them fight."
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This past Sunday was Tisha B’Av, the ninth day of the month of Av on the Jewish calendar, a fast day that commemorates the anniversary of the destruction of the First and Second Temples in Jerusalem in 586 B.C.E. (by the Babylonians) and 70 C.E. (by the Romans) and other calamities in Jewish history including the expulsion of the Jewish people from Spain in 1492 and from England in 1290 that might have been mentioned somewhere in the Times this past week amid all the discussion of the Iran deal, but was not.
Mr. Bergman, a writer for an Israeli newspaper, neglects to mention it also. Apparently not relevant enough for him to include in a discussion of Jonathan Pollard and Israel’s “strained relations” with the U.S. at a time when Israelis are facing the prospect of a future with an Iranian nuclear cloud hovering above them. Or perhaps, all too relevant to include for persons like Mr. Bergman not inclined to take Israel’s concerns very seriously.
Mr. Bergman, a writer for an Israeli newspaper, neglects to mention it also. Apparently not relevant enough for him to include in a discussion of Jonathan Pollard and Israel’s “strained relations” with the U.S. at a time when Israelis are facing the prospect of a future with an Iranian nuclear cloud hovering above them. Or perhaps, all too relevant to include for persons like Mr. Bergman not inclined to take Israel’s concerns very seriously.
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Are we to understand that ONLY Jews can be Israelis? Israel receives support as a Democracy, not a Theocracy. Reporting on Israeli politics does not require an examination of religious rites.
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Enough of 1000 year old injustices. Israel used Pollard to get nuclear sub secrets so they could trade them with Russia to allow jewish emigration. The "nuclear cloud" you refer to has just been snuffed out for at least 15 years. The status quo benefits Netanyahu and the Saudis. Take a step back and look at the situation as it really is.
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What about the Israeli nuclear cloud hanging over Iran? Give me a break. Why wouldn't Israel do a preemptive strike, as they continue to do to the Palestinians? Sounds simple enough.
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No, they "get" America just right. They've bought politicians and have influence way out of proportion to their real importance to this country.
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It was appropriate that Pollard was caught, convicted and punished. The claim that his punishment was harsher than other spies is a fair complaint.
Everyone, however, should get off their high horse about the treacherous behavior of the Israelis. I, for one, certainly expect that the US government has spies in every country in the world, friend and foe alike. We've admitted hacking into the cell phones of the presidents of allies. We should do that sort of thing, and should not be shocked when other countries do it as well. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to catch spies, and prosecute them, but enough with the feigned outrage.
Everyone, however, should get off their high horse about the treacherous behavior of the Israelis. I, for one, certainly expect that the US government has spies in every country in the world, friend and foe alike. We've admitted hacking into the cell phones of the presidents of allies. We should do that sort of thing, and should not be shocked when other countries do it as well. That doesn't mean we shouldn't try to catch spies, and prosecute them, but enough with the feigned outrage.
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I agree. It seems hypocritical to be upset about this. (But then, international relations is all about hypocrisy.)
Bergman's analysis is essentially flawed.
He assumes that the parole hearing, which is mandatory and which was by law tied to the sentence given many years ago, was somehow tied to the current Iran nuclear weapon treaty.
Of course, this is ridiculous.
No one, all those years back, would ever have planned such a hearing so long in advance. How could they ever have known about the treaty, negotiations?
Pollard committed a crime for which he was punished much more severely than most other spies. Not only that but he was spying for a friendly state, an ally of the US.
The US has many spies in Israel. No one disputes this. The CIA, NSA and other intelligence agencies routinely spy on Israel. Hebrew is and for some time has been advertised by these agencies as one of the most sought after languages for employment for analysts and overseas minions of these groups.
There is only one nation where Hebrew is used and it is Israel.
Americans or Israelis caught spying on Israel are apprehended and punished. They have and they will. However, none of them will serve a 30 year sentence. In fact, if they are American, it is quite probable that the US will work out a deal.
Israel will be here a lot longer than any of the other governments, including the Obama administration, attacking it.
Especially Iran.
Jewish history testifies to that.
We will do whatever is necessary to protect our nation and our people worldwide. For 2,000 years we were defenseless. That has now changed.
He assumes that the parole hearing, which is mandatory and which was by law tied to the sentence given many years ago, was somehow tied to the current Iran nuclear weapon treaty.
Of course, this is ridiculous.
No one, all those years back, would ever have planned such a hearing so long in advance. How could they ever have known about the treaty, negotiations?
Pollard committed a crime for which he was punished much more severely than most other spies. Not only that but he was spying for a friendly state, an ally of the US.
The US has many spies in Israel. No one disputes this. The CIA, NSA and other intelligence agencies routinely spy on Israel. Hebrew is and for some time has been advertised by these agencies as one of the most sought after languages for employment for analysts and overseas minions of these groups.
There is only one nation where Hebrew is used and it is Israel.
Americans or Israelis caught spying on Israel are apprehended and punished. They have and they will. However, none of them will serve a 30 year sentence. In fact, if they are American, it is quite probable that the US will work out a deal.
Israel will be here a lot longer than any of the other governments, including the Obama administration, attacking it.
Especially Iran.
Jewish history testifies to that.
We will do whatever is necessary to protect our nation and our people worldwide. For 2,000 years we were defenseless. That has now changed.
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This being the case use your own black coated boys to do your fighting not our brave young men.
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So return our money and go it on your own. We are tired of your interference in our national politics. The current actors want to maintain the status quo. Nothing benefits Israel more than fear mongering. Pollard provided nuclear submarine secrets which Israel provided to Russia in trade for jewish emigration. Think about that for a minute.
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Considering that Israel's entire existence was/is paid for by the west, that's some pretty laughable talk.
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Mr. Pollard"s departure represents the end of an affair that began with Harry Truman in 1948, got stronger with Lyndon Johnson in 1967 and reached its apex with Jimmy Carter at Camp David. Pollard was a blatant betrayal of the deep affection that democratic presidents had felt for Israel. Twice the current prime minister used Pollard as a ploy to unravel delicate negotiations with the Palestinians. Obama, facing the end of his second term, sees no downside to removing this constant reminder that we loved them way more than they loved us. It should also make clear to Israel's political and military establishment that the next time they need to cut a deal with the Arabs they are on their own.
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As in all things, the government of Israel will do with Pollard what it believes will be most popular with the voters of Israel between now and the next election.
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It's not just about Mr. Pollard's spying. Before him there was the murky USS Liberty incident, not forgotten by many in U.S. intelligence circles.
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I cannot believe the naivete displayed in this article. In it the author states:
"The use of Mr. Pollard as a carrot reveals that Obama administration officials grasp the importance of the prisoner to the Israeli public. They also understand that there would be no better move than freeing Mr. Pollard to sweeten the bitter pill of the Iran deal that Israelis are being asked to swallow."
Does anyone familiar with the past actions of the Israeli government under Netanyahu actually believe that ANY measure put forth by the president would mollify the critics of the international nuclear treaty with Iran? American should be quite familiar with the tactics employed -- they are shared with Republicans. Surrender on any level is seen as weakness -- weakness that will be immediately exploited by Israeli leadership.
America will make a concession, Israel will give nothing. Move on, nothing to see here, just business as usual.
"The use of Mr. Pollard as a carrot reveals that Obama administration officials grasp the importance of the prisoner to the Israeli public. They also understand that there would be no better move than freeing Mr. Pollard to sweeten the bitter pill of the Iran deal that Israelis are being asked to swallow."
Does anyone familiar with the past actions of the Israeli government under Netanyahu actually believe that ANY measure put forth by the president would mollify the critics of the international nuclear treaty with Iran? American should be quite familiar with the tactics employed -- they are shared with Republicans. Surrender on any level is seen as weakness -- weakness that will be immediately exploited by Israeli leadership.
America will make a concession, Israel will give nothing. Move on, nothing to see here, just business as usual.
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Bergman is all wrong - lot's of smoke and mirrors here - read between the lines folks. It's Americans who don't get Israel. American politicians always cater to Israeli issues because American Jews have and always will vote with Israel each time. That means with money, volunteerism, religiously and lobbying. What you don't know or realize are Isreali born citizens have access to dual American citizens and care not a whit about their American counterparts other than family that resides in the US. Meaning, the only interest in American Jewry is the continuation of American political support in military armament, support and billions in $$. Additionally American Jews are offered immediate citizenship as a right and thus the billions of $$ powerful Israeli organizations raise from American Jews is staggering. All the while the Israeli citizen enjoy a standard of living in their chosen land that mocks those in Jewish America and the American people as a whole who pay and subsidize this. In the interim, Israel bad mouths President's Obama Iran nuclear deal and is busy undermining our foreign policy. Isn't it about time that American Jews hold Israel accountable for it's support for the US as a whole and not think that if it acts counter to US Jewish support that a reciprocal approach of appreciation and respect for America be SOP?
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If over 70% of Amecican Jews voted for Obama then I think your comment is out of touch with reality but not with anti-Semitism.
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"American politicians always cater to Israeli issues because American Jews have and always will vote with Israel each time." If so, they why do polls show American Jews supporting the Iran agreement? Why will most Jewish members of Congress almost certainly end up supporting the Iran agreement?
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In celebrating Pollard's behavior and making him a hero, those doing so have raised a legitimate question as to where Israelis believe the primary loyalty of American Jews should lie.
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Yes, by all means, let's start questioning the loyalty of American Jews.
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This is a straw man. Most people do not venerate Pollard as hero. Those who hate Pollard---and coincidentally are almost certainly not true friends of Israel, either---love to point at these "examples" of Israel's wrong attitudes toward the US.
However, fair, objective folks who aren't carried away by mindless hate of Israel simply point out that his punishment has been wildly disproportionate.
Also, his case was handled in a highly unseemly fashion, with shady, venomous characters like Caspar Weinberger meddling in the process, after Pollard had accepted---and pled guilty on the basis of---a plea bargain.
However, fair, objective folks who aren't carried away by mindless hate of Israel simply point out that his punishment has been wildly disproportionate.
Also, his case was handled in a highly unseemly fashion, with shady, venomous characters like Caspar Weinberger meddling in the process, after Pollard had accepted---and pled guilty on the basis of---a plea bargain.
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Isn't it someone's intent, in releasing Pollard at this sensitive time, to "raise legitimate doubts" not only on the loyalty of American Jews but on the US relationship with Israel? Won't that weaken any arguments Israel might continue to put forward questioning the wisdom of a treaty with Iran that could jeopardize not only their own security but the peace of much of the Middle East? John Kerry, in saying earlier this week that it will be Israel's fault if the treaty fails to be confirmed, was showing the administration's hand. Those who do not support the treaty (which yields to the Iranians everything we were told would not be) are acting not in the interest of the US, but of Israel, now painted as an unreliable ally who spies on us. Few have any sympathy for Pollard, but the whole circus about his release has one clear objective. For some of us, it makes us wonder even more about the treaty when those pushing it sink to this kind of manipulation to stamp out questioning opposition.
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The ONLY thing that would be worth releasing the traitor Pollard for is Israel giving up its occupied Palestinian territories and the settlements on them and entering serious, reality based peace negotiations with the Palestinians.
If Obama did this to shut up Bibi about Iran, he must be delusional.
If Obama did this to shut up Bibi about Iran, he must be delusional.
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Another option, or perhaps an additional thing would be for Israel, especially Bibi to give up his pandering against the nuclear deal with Iran.
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as an American and a Jew I believe that Pollard should rot.
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This OpEd is so full of contradictions its hard to know where to begin. Following the revelations of the NSA which were released by Snowdon, how can the American Government cast punishment on Polalrd and the author expect an apology from Israel?!?! The Americans through the NSA spied not only on millions of innocent foreign nationals, but also on heads of State like Angela Merkel. And just like the Israelis, they tried to cover it up, and when that did not work blame Snowdon! That is like the Israelis blaiming which ever branch of secret service discoverved Pollard was spying. The American Government on the one hand imprissons Pollard for 30 year and on the other spies on all of its allies!
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No one in the US is publically celebrating the behavior of the NSA....No one in Israel should be publically celebrating the release of Pollard.
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If Germany caught one of its citizens passing German military secrets to a foreign government do you think it would just slap the wrongdoer's wrist?
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Name the American who spied on our allies and is celebrated as a national hero. Name the Israeli national who was apprehended by Israel for spying on their nation, and turning that information over to the U.S.
Do we have any guarantee that the information Pollard passed to Israel stayed with Israel? Considering their actions after Pollard was discovered, tried and jailed it's clear that we would be foolish to trust Israel. They acted as if the U.S. was guilty of something, that we betrayed Israel because we locked up the traitor Pollard.
It's also disingenous that Israel, the sole nuclear weapons armed country in the Middle East, which by the way has never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty acts as if Iran is a nation of suicidal maniacs, whose principle goal is to construct one nuclear weapon that they would immediately fire at Israel.
That Israel, which has 100s of nuclear weapons, plus the best missile defense available bought and paid for by their patron, us, would be powerless in the face of such an attack is laughable. We are to believe Their nuclear forces with multiple means of delivery would be powerless to act, so Iran could strike with impunity?
I find it odd that in all the discussion, all the hand wringing over the nuclear deal, all the outright rejection by some who have not read a single word in the agreement how remarkably silent all are about the fact that Israel is a robust nuclear weapons armed power. Why is that?
Do we have any guarantee that the information Pollard passed to Israel stayed with Israel? Considering their actions after Pollard was discovered, tried and jailed it's clear that we would be foolish to trust Israel. They acted as if the U.S. was guilty of something, that we betrayed Israel because we locked up the traitor Pollard.
It's also disingenous that Israel, the sole nuclear weapons armed country in the Middle East, which by the way has never signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation treaty acts as if Iran is a nation of suicidal maniacs, whose principle goal is to construct one nuclear weapon that they would immediately fire at Israel.
That Israel, which has 100s of nuclear weapons, plus the best missile defense available bought and paid for by their patron, us, would be powerless in the face of such an attack is laughable. We are to believe Their nuclear forces with multiple means of delivery would be powerless to act, so Iran could strike with impunity?
I find it odd that in all the discussion, all the hand wringing over the nuclear deal, all the outright rejection by some who have not read a single word in the agreement how remarkably silent all are about the fact that Israel is a robust nuclear weapons armed power. Why is that?
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All this while the US spies German and French leaders telephone conversations.
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I resent, any of my tax money, going to Israel!
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Not just resent, object most vigorously. No more money for Israel.
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I'm sad to say that I have lost most of my concern for Israel over the last decade or so. We need to create more separation from that state as it continues to create problems for itself, nearby states and the Palestinians and us. As one of the other comments indicated, we're all too good at creating our own problems and don't need any help from Israel. As for Pollard, keep that traitor here in the U.S. where he will be anything but a hero.
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Israel and Israelis GET America, as do American Jews.
This article and the case is a load of nonsense. While the article did mention the excessive length of his captivity, it completely missed the broken promise of the plea deal, didn't mention that Jonathan was not allow to see his dying father, or even attend his fathers' funeral.
The constitution precludes cruel and unusual punishment, but that's exactly what's happened here.
And now the government wants to further control OUR thoughts and those of Israeli citizens by telling us what (not) to think of him, and possibly denying him his desire to go to Israel.
Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves at the rampant perversion of the (in)justice system, especially in this case.
This article and the case is a load of nonsense. While the article did mention the excessive length of his captivity, it completely missed the broken promise of the plea deal, didn't mention that Jonathan was not allow to see his dying father, or even attend his fathers' funeral.
The constitution precludes cruel and unusual punishment, but that's exactly what's happened here.
And now the government wants to further control OUR thoughts and those of Israeli citizens by telling us what (not) to think of him, and possibly denying him his desire to go to Israel.
Our founding fathers must be rolling over in their graves at the rampant perversion of the (in)justice system, especially in this case.
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I think that it is not without irony that this piece aims at showing to Israeli a truth that evades them while at the same time failing to see how much everything in the text up to and including the following sentence applies to the US and its recent actions :
“Israelis are unforgiving toward those who threaten their own security, but completely fail to understand the anger of other countries when their security is harmed. »
The US spied over the world and over its closest allies, and then proceeded to clumsily lie to them over both the length and extent of the spying while leaked documents surely and repeatedly disproved their lies.
And yet Americans seemingly fail to understand why Europe’s leaders, peoples and companies get angry over it and demand some form of retribution or at the very least a change in attitude.
With that being said, I wholeheartedly agree with the content of this article.
“Israelis are unforgiving toward those who threaten their own security, but completely fail to understand the anger of other countries when their security is harmed. »
The US spied over the world and over its closest allies, and then proceeded to clumsily lie to them over both the length and extent of the spying while leaked documents surely and repeatedly disproved their lies.
And yet Americans seemingly fail to understand why Europe’s leaders, peoples and companies get angry over it and demand some form of retribution or at the very least a change in attitude.
With that being said, I wholeheartedly agree with the content of this article.
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A good point. Many Americans were shocked by those revelations. I know I was. Tapping the PHONE lines of world leaders? Are you kidding me!!! Nuts. So yes, we are guilty of some very shady things. That said, Israel enjoys very unique access to US power. Given how incredibly reliant Israel is on the United States for it's VERY survival, the irresponsible actions of its leaders to run Pollard as an agent are still mind boggling. And then to complain about his imprisonment? It causes a visceral anger in many of us who rightly believe the man should never see the light of day.
But hey, we're no angels. That must be admitted too.
But hey, we're no angels. That must be admitted too.
Baptiste, I would add that the US knowingly spies on Israel as we just saw with the Snowden revelations that Israel was behind the assassination of a Syrian general...information gotten by the US intelligence agencies by spying on Israel.
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I suppose this commenter would support outlawing spying. Wait, it's already illegal.
If the US is affected by puny (ally) Israel because of Pollard, plus whatever other additional spying, as well as the alleged intrusive political manipulation, just imagine what huge (non-ally) China is up to.
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Why is it that many of the same people that are offended when the question of dual loyalty for American Jews is raised, defend this traitorous example? Pollard is not Dreyfuss. He is despicable and should remain in prison. The actions of the Israeli Government in this affair prove, once again, that they are not friendly to the US and they and their minions have caused great harm here.
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"They knew very well that Israel was running a spy at the heart of the country’s closest ally, and failed to stop it. ... And this unfortunate episode continues to cause grave damage to relations between the two countries to this day."
If you replace a few words in this sentence it reads: "Obama knew very well that the US was running a spy agency at the heart of the country’s closest allies, namely the German and French governments, and failed to stop it." Then you'll know why relations with these countries have cooled off in spite of a supposedly enlightened president.
If you replace a few words in this sentence it reads: "Obama knew very well that the US was running a spy agency at the heart of the country’s closest allies, namely the German and French governments, and failed to stop it." Then you'll know why relations with these countries have cooled off in spite of a supposedly enlightened president.
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What is different about the Pollard cas, and the US spying on French and German leaders, is that Americans are not celebrating in the streets and calling our spies heroes. The US government and the American people are not lobbying and protesting for the release of citizens of other countries imprisoned in their countries for spying for the US, nor are Americans calling those people heroes. To me, that is the outrageous part of this whole affair. The author of this article points out how toxic the Israeli right wing attitude to the Pollard imprisonment is, and that attitude is what most likely got Pollard imprisoned instead of pardoned.
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Let's not forget the billions of dollars the US has given Israel. We are their strongest ally. Israel has repaid the loyalty and financial support by spying on the US. With friends like that, who needs enemies!
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With all the trouble the US had met by associating with Israel in the first place, it seems fitting that when we finally are able to negotiate with our enemies we revive the Pollard story, if only to remind the public that Israel is not a real friend to us. They are a spoiled child, invoking "their right to survive" as if any other state didn't have the same right, as a reason for spying on their benefactor, starting their own wars, building walls to keep people out...all the things we claim to ahbor yet give Israel a pass.
As to our spying on other western countries, this is a different time and place. from when Pollard was at work. One would think that obvious. except to the defenders of Israel. When Pollard worked, there was no alQuaeda, or ISIS. Nor were people as interconnected as they are now.
Pollard was a spy. He should have been executed when he was convicted. And we really need to stop coddling Israel. THey are not our best friends in the region. Look to Jordan for that.
As to our spying on other western countries, this is a different time and place. from when Pollard was at work. One would think that obvious. except to the defenders of Israel. When Pollard worked, there was no alQuaeda, or ISIS. Nor were people as interconnected as they are now.
Pollard was a spy. He should have been executed when he was convicted. And we really need to stop coddling Israel. THey are not our best friends in the region. Look to Jordan for that.
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"When Pollard worked, there was no alQuaeda, or ISIS. Nor were people as interconnected as they are now." Pollard should never have been hired by any US intelligence entity. Period. But how does your attempted distinction between then and now explain US spying on the leaders of our NATO allies?
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this article is an unnecessary attack on Israel, intended to weaken Israel's position as it lobbies against the scandalous Iran deal. Obviously Israelis get America. Even Obama likes to say that Israeli-American cooperation is at an all time high. Neither America nor Israel is a monolith with only one mode of behavior and thinking. Unlike prior presidents, Obama happens to be more interested in good relations with Iran than with Israel. He cynically timed the Pollard release to coincide with the Iranian deal. From all this we cannot conclude that Israelis do not get America.
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Your reply shows conclusively that YOU don't get America, even if you're nominally an American...
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Pollard is being released on a time line set in place 30 years ago.
"Obviously Israelis get America".
Well, we know that at least their lobby does...
Well, we know that at least their lobby does...
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How ironic....
Wasnt Pollard instrumental in passing classified documents to both Israel and Pakistan, in THEIR own attempts to build nuclear weapons?
Wasnt Pollard instrumental in passing classified documents to both Israel and Pakistan, in THEIR own attempts to build nuclear weapons?
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No, he certainly did not pass classified documents to Pakistan and the Israelis already had nuclear weapons. Here's a more accurate summary of the case:
In the mid 1980's Pollard discovered that information vital to Israel's security was being deliberately withheld by certain elements within the U.S. national security establishment. Israel was legally entitled to this vital security information according to a 1983 Memorandum of Understanding between the two countries.The information included Syrian, Iraqi, Libyan and Iranian nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare capabilities, ballistic missile development and planned terrorist attacks against Israeli civilian targets.
When Pollard's efforts to change this policy failed, he began to give the information to Israel directly. In 1985, his actions were discovered by the U.S. government. At the request of both the U.S. and Israeli governments, he entered into a plea agreement. The Israeli government issued a formal apology to the U.S. for its role in Pollard's espionage in 1987. Jonathan Pollard was indicted on only one charge: one count of passing classified information to an ally, without intent to harm the United States.
In the mid 1980's Pollard discovered that information vital to Israel's security was being deliberately withheld by certain elements within the U.S. national security establishment. Israel was legally entitled to this vital security information according to a 1983 Memorandum of Understanding between the two countries.The information included Syrian, Iraqi, Libyan and Iranian nuclear, chemical, and biological warfare capabilities, ballistic missile development and planned terrorist attacks against Israeli civilian targets.
When Pollard's efforts to change this policy failed, he began to give the information to Israel directly. In 1985, his actions were discovered by the U.S. government. At the request of both the U.S. and Israeli governments, he entered into a plea agreement. The Israeli government issued a formal apology to the U.S. for its role in Pollard's espionage in 1987. Jonathan Pollard was indicted on only one charge: one count of passing classified information to an ally, without intent to harm the United States.
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This story fails to mention that Israel not only spied on the US, but when it was to their advantage, also gave that information to the Soviets. Its just great to have friends like Israel.
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I am not surprised at the lies and the deceptions that Israel used in the Pollard case.
They have been using such tactics whenever their interest is threatened.
And in the Pollard case they were relentless.
They should not now be rewarded by celebrating his release with him in Tel Aviv.
They have been using such tactics whenever their interest is threatened.
And in the Pollard case they were relentless.
They should not now be rewarded by celebrating his release with him in Tel Aviv.
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Much, if not most, of the rhetoric that comes from Israel in recent months is unwise. Although I firmly support Israel's rights as a sovereign state, it is not the 51st state of our Union. I resent Mr. Netanyahu's efforts to derail the multilateral process that has resulted in a solid agreement and program to rein in Iran's nuclear program and promotes diplomacy over war. I resent Israel's harsh treatment of all Palestinians, including their children, which is coming close to establishing apartheid and institutionalized discrimination. I, for one, do not want to see more of my tax dollars propping up a country that increasingly bites the hand that feeds it.
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We may not understand the USA and Pollard , but sadly we seem to have forgotten that Mr Pollard spied for money and venality was definitely more important that misplaced patriotism...........................
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Another canard. Jonathan Pollard was an ideologue, not a mercenary. The FBI concluded after nine months of polygraphing that Pollard acted for ideological reasons only, not for profit. This fact was recognized by the sentencing judge who declined to fine Pollard. Also, no one else in the history of the United States has ever received a life sentence for passing classified information to an ally - only Jonathan Pollard. The median sentence for this offense is two to four years. Even agents who have committed far more serious offenses on behalf of hostile nations have not received such a harsh sentence.
How about getting something tangible in return for his release? Think occupied land.
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"How about getting something tangible in return for his release? Think occupied land."
I didn't know the US wanted the West Bank.
I didn't know the US wanted the West Bank.
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How about an exchange? say with Mordechai Vanunu
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"How about an exchange? say with Mordechai Vanunu."
What is the basis for the exchange? Did Mr. Vanunu spy on the US?
What is the basis for the exchange? Did Mr. Vanunu spy on the US?
Jonathan Pollard should have been sent away for life without parole for spying on his own country. The term we usually use for that is treason.
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Why is Pollard related to our deal with Iran? Will this release stop the constant advertisements against the agreement? Will it stop the FOX drumbeat against the agreement?
The Super PACs are not going to stand down from fighting tooth and nail to confuse and betray America. Congress will vote with their wallets.
The Super PACs are not going to stand down from fighting tooth and nail to confuse and betray America. Congress will vote with their wallets.
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Ronen Bergman claims insights about the United States from his perch in Tel Aviv, particularly as it relates to the Pollard case, that are curious at best and partisan at worst.
The issue has always been not what Pollard did so much as to who he is and who he did it for. This has fed the old libel against Jews as not loyal Americans, as if Christians haven't constituted the vast majority of traitors and spies and still do.
For some reason Pollard's acts are presented as particularly heinous, yet if that is true why did former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey say in a letter to Obama requesting clemency: "In 18 years on the bench, I imposed life sentences on four defendants only [2 murderers and 2 terrorists]. Pollard's offense does not nearly approach any of those."?
Or why did former Secretary of State George Shultz write a letter to President Obama urging that Jonathan Pollard's sentence be commuted, saying: "I am impressed that the people who are best informed about the classified material he passed to Israel, former CIA Director James Woolsey and former Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Dennis DeConcini, favor his release."
If an Attorney General, Secretary of State, CIA Director and Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee are requesting Pollard's release, viewing his offenses as undeserving of the sentence he received, what is it that they don't understand about the U.S. that Bergman does?
The issue has always been not what Pollard did so much as to who he is and who he did it for. This has fed the old libel against Jews as not loyal Americans, as if Christians haven't constituted the vast majority of traitors and spies and still do.
For some reason Pollard's acts are presented as particularly heinous, yet if that is true why did former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey say in a letter to Obama requesting clemency: "In 18 years on the bench, I imposed life sentences on four defendants only [2 murderers and 2 terrorists]. Pollard's offense does not nearly approach any of those."?
Or why did former Secretary of State George Shultz write a letter to President Obama urging that Jonathan Pollard's sentence be commuted, saying: "I am impressed that the people who are best informed about the classified material he passed to Israel, former CIA Director James Woolsey and former Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee Dennis DeConcini, favor his release."
If an Attorney General, Secretary of State, CIA Director and Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee are requesting Pollard's release, viewing his offenses as undeserving of the sentence he received, what is it that they don't understand about the U.S. that Bergman does?
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If a court found Pollard guilty, carry out the sentence...lobbyists for his benefactors really should carry less weight in this matter than you see fit to grant to them.
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"why did former US Attorney General Michael Mukasey say in a letter to Obama requesting clemency"
Michael Mukasey is the same Attorney General who favored keeping draconian crack cocaine sentencing laws and recused himself from the Madoff case--the largest financial fraud in US history--so his son could represent one of the defendants. Mukasey has no concept of justice or appropriateness.
Michael Mukasey is the same Attorney General who favored keeping draconian crack cocaine sentencing laws and recused himself from the Madoff case--the largest financial fraud in US history--so his son could represent one of the defendants. Mukasey has no concept of justice or appropriateness.
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Israel; Another case of too big to fail arrogance. I'll give them 10 years before to come to the conclusion they would be better off to take what's on offer while they can.
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I doubt that will ever happen.
Pollard is a traitor, and deservedly received a harsh sentence, though many here think not harsh enough. And, though spying is spying regardless, it does seem worse when done by a country's own citizen than a foreign agent.
That said, all this indignation is starting to seem a bit overdone. Suppose the Germans managed to arrest those American agents who hacked Chancellor Merkel's phone, and it turned out that a German citizen helped the Americans and was also arrested? Would the cries then emanating from here for the arrested Americans and the German for "life with no parole" be quite so loud as for Pollard?
Finally, it has nothing to do with Pollard or his Judaism, but anyone who has read Eric Lichtblau's book " The Nazis Next Door"on how our own spy agency helped resettled many Nazi murderers in this country supposedly for service against the Soviets can be under no illusion of the terrible things our own spies do, and the ludicrous possibility that they would ever be held to account. I get it that probably no law was broken, unlike the Pollard case, but that doesn't lessen the moral and ethical culpability one iota.
That said, all this indignation is starting to seem a bit overdone. Suppose the Germans managed to arrest those American agents who hacked Chancellor Merkel's phone, and it turned out that a German citizen helped the Americans and was also arrested? Would the cries then emanating from here for the arrested Americans and the German for "life with no parole" be quite so loud as for Pollard?
Finally, it has nothing to do with Pollard or his Judaism, but anyone who has read Eric Lichtblau's book " The Nazis Next Door"on how our own spy agency helped resettled many Nazi murderers in this country supposedly for service against the Soviets can be under no illusion of the terrible things our own spies do, and the ludicrous possibility that they would ever be held to account. I get it that probably no law was broken, unlike the Pollard case, but that doesn't lessen the moral and ethical culpability one iota.
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Sorry Mr. Halpern, when it comes to this man's foul deeds, the point of "all this indignation is starting to seem a bit overdone" hasn't even been approached yet.
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Again with the "America's Ally" nonsense. Israel is not our ally, they are our client state. We give them arms, money and political protection (U.N. vetoes) and they give us....grief.
Remind me, during Little Georgie's Excellent Mideast Adventure, exactly how many Israel boots were on the ground?
Their continual seizure of Palestinian land and property is a rebuke to our international credibility and a war crime in every legal sense.
An Gaza? Enough said.
Israel is looking out for number one and the U.S. be damned.
And now we are bribing them to accept an alternative to another American mideast invasion. If they are so concerned about their security, let them invade Iran and we will hold their coat on the sidelines.
Remind me, during Little Georgie's Excellent Mideast Adventure, exactly how many Israel boots were on the ground?
Their continual seizure of Palestinian land and property is a rebuke to our international credibility and a war crime in every legal sense.
An Gaza? Enough said.
Israel is looking out for number one and the U.S. be damned.
And now we are bribing them to accept an alternative to another American mideast invasion. If they are so concerned about their security, let them invade Iran and we will hold their coat on the sidelines.
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I never fail to be astonished at Israel's abiliity to turn the U.S. into their client state, have us doing their bidding, pursue insane policies in their backyard designed to get their job done and put us in the sights of jihadists, etc. When Pollard was arrested I couldn't imagine he'd ever be released and given his crimes deserved nothing short of life in prison. The very idea that he is a hero in Israel is sickening all around. Hero for betraying the U.S.? What is so heroic? And Israel itself for sponsoring him should have been punished seriously. Those "realists" who say this is just the way the world works are right. So is cutting off aid.
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This man is a traitor, Israel a terrorist nation. The fact that we give much money, technology and info to them is really crazy. All this talk about Iran however we gave Israel the bomb. Israel is not part of the US, we should cut them loose. I would also like to remind the members of Congress from all parties that you were elected to represent the American People, Not Israel.
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For all that the US gives, and has given, Israel lots of military hardware and technology, it was actually the French who gave Israel the bomb, not the Americans.
Exactly, Israel is the perpetual welfare recipient courtesy of the US. Time to take care of our own, but sadly our politiicans are more concerned about Israel's problems than their own constituents.
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Pollard was spy for Israel. He was caught & jailed. The USA, the French the Germans, the Brits & the Australians all have spies/operatives who steal secrets from each other. If they are caught, are jailed.Through it all relationships between theses friends remain firm because of the "bigger picture". No difference in the Pollard case. Pretty simple - really. No Machiavellian complexities are in play.
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Isnt the irony that Pollard passed enough classified info to Israel, that ISRAEL was able to develop its own nuclear weapons???
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Are you sure Israel did not have nukes well before Pollard?
Some individuals seem to think that spying is a noble cause as long as it helps our "friends". The world got hold of the ATOMIC secrets because of some spies and our country lives with the legacy of that disaster to this day. Who is a good spy? Let us start with Robert Hansen he caused the death of many people foreign and domestic, Pollard's spying did the same. There are no friends when it comes to spying. Years ago a very friendly country to the US had a colonel that passed sensitive information to the Soviets. Russia would still be in the technological stone age if it was not for all the information they have obtained thru spying directly or indirectly.
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We are not talking about an honorable person: Mr. Pollard betrayed his country, which in every age has been universally acknowledged to be a heinous crime. If America wasn't his country, he should have made aliyah (emigrated to Israel), or at least recused himself from a position of trust in the US government. Mr. Pollard was a grownup, he knew what he was doing, he knew what the consequences might be, and he did it anyway; and for the last 30 years, he has not stopped whining about getting caught.
Mr. Pollard singlehandedly confirmed all the worst canards against the Jewish people of the last 2,000 years. Guess what--it's STILL hard for Jews to get security clearances. The best you can say about Jonathan Pollard is, he's done his time.
Mr. Pollard singlehandedly confirmed all the worst canards against the Jewish people of the last 2,000 years. Guess what--it's STILL hard for Jews to get security clearances. The best you can say about Jonathan Pollard is, he's done his time.
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Great piece. informative, and with a detachment one would expect from a chess grandmaster or professional poker player. The Pollard case can still evoke an emotional response from Americans; the timing is astonishing, and will provide cover for congressional Democrats.
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The entire world does not get the United States. With the revelation of the depths of snooping of the NSA of ALL of our allies, friends and neighbors, the world was put on notice. American Government cannot be trusted.
Pollard? Set him free and put one little, dinky dirty linen in the wash and clean it up and be done with it.
Pollard? Set him free and put one little, dinky dirty linen in the wash and clean it up and be done with it.
The idea that Israel is our "friend" is ludicrous. Times are changing and the American people are waking up to a much clearer understanding of just how much this relationship is costing us.
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Wait a second. We are talking about a country whose prime minister came over recently and lobbied our Congress while ignoring our President. We are talking about a country who gets lots of money from US taxpayers and a country that all American politicians must genuflect to. They are practically the 51st state so why can't they celebrate the release of a citizen after almost thirty years of imprisonment? It seems a rather minor point all things considered.
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Unfortunately Mr. J. Pollard is not only case of Israel spying on us. Israel, as Israel first Jews like to point out "Our (USA) the only and the best friend in the Middle East" is spying on us regularly! Really friendly behavior normal and usual between friends. So, in "friendly" relations with us (USA) Jews are following Niccolo Machiavelli "Machiavellianism" characterized by a duplicitous interpersonal style, a cynical disregard for morality and a focus on self-interest and personal gain in which to achieve the aims all means are allowed irrespectively of they amorality or criminality. Obviously “friend“ as Israel, is a friend to be wary of.
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It appears from my view, the relationship between our country and Israel is one sided. They dictate the terms, take our money and act like we are an enemy. Like a petulant child they stamp their feet, hold their breath and cry when we ask, not demand, simple courtesy to the Palestinians. Our security is at risk for the stupid acts of them. They lie, they continue their awful policies and yet cry when we ask for them to just keep their promises. I could not care less for Israel. By the way, I will be called anti Semantic. Its the government stupid, not the people. The people seem to want something their government won't give them. At the heart of all the issues is money. Too many people make too much money and profit from the continuing fear raised by Bibi and others. Politics prevents Democrats from doing what they should, tell Israel to either get with the program or we will stop giving them money, weapons and being their back up as they carelessly drag us into their ever continuing disputes.
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The US spies all the time - including friendly countries like Israel. Maybe Israel feels it was hypochritical for the US to get so upset over Pollard
His wife "even hired a lawyer who had previously been involved in the defense of Yigal Amir, who in 1995 assassinated Mr. Rabin, then the prime minister."
That changes how I look at this. He should rot in jail.
That changes how I look at this. He should rot in jail.
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Ronen Bergman does something despicable here that he has done before. He brownies up a U.S. audience by coming down on Israel. The fact that he is an important writer on Israel security matters makes this habit of his even more despicable.
As to the heart of this matter it is not only Israeli politicians that deserve criticism but it is also American ones. Pollard has been discriminated against, given harsher and longer sentence than spies who have done far more damage to the U.S. This five-year provision preventing him from going to Israel is the last small bit of cruelty.
As for its relation to the Iran nuclear deal fiasco there is really none. Pollard is of no great importance but the Iran deal is a world-changing one. The possible damage to Israel's security and very existence is real from the Iran deal. It is very possibly one which will bring about a nuclear Middle East. It is certain to enhance Iranian terror throughout the world.
It is the deal which made Iran look like a superpower and the U.S. a humiliated appeaser.
If one is worried about American honor and pride one should think about the real character of the Iranian deal, and not worry about one long irrelevant spy.
As to the heart of this matter it is not only Israeli politicians that deserve criticism but it is also American ones. Pollard has been discriminated against, given harsher and longer sentence than spies who have done far more damage to the U.S. This five-year provision preventing him from going to Israel is the last small bit of cruelty.
As for its relation to the Iran nuclear deal fiasco there is really none. Pollard is of no great importance but the Iran deal is a world-changing one. The possible damage to Israel's security and very existence is real from the Iran deal. It is very possibly one which will bring about a nuclear Middle East. It is certain to enhance Iranian terror throughout the world.
It is the deal which made Iran look like a superpower and the U.S. a humiliated appeaser.
If one is worried about American honor and pride one should think about the real character of the Iranian deal, and not worry about one long irrelevant spy.
Thank you for your very Israeli point of view.
Would you hold the same position if your son was one of the sailors who lost his life on the USS Liberty, as a result of Mr. Pollard's spying? Mr. Pollard has had 30 years to express remorse for his role in their deaths, yet Mr. Pollard has not only expressed not one iota of regret, but pride in his actions. He should have been hung?
Pollard should be required to stay in the United States after his release as with other paroled prisoners. This will let the FBI and other agencies identify those who publicly embrace him. Good information to have for national security.
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It isn't that Israel doesn't get America! Israel doesn't care.
Israel is for Israel. The interests of the US re not even considered in Tel Aviv, except to get around them. AIPAC has the US Congress in fear of their seats, so powerful is the political fifth column created by the Jewish Lobby in the US, and its regressive impact upon the Congress of the United States, that Israel has chutzpah not to care what America thinks or even what American Jews think.
Since the Palestinian and Jewish economies have diverged due to the availability cheap East European and Asian Labor, along with unapologetic settlement expansion, Israel has gone its own way on policy. Today ultra nationalist Israel's actions are at nearly complete odds with the interests of the US. Men like Sheldon Adelson have bought elections and members of Congress to serve the interests of Israel and not the American People.
That the Republicans who dance to every tune played by AIPAC are considered Conservatives is preposterous, because they are willing to surrender the sovereignty of the United States to the interests of Israel.
Now nuclear armed Israel demands that we go to war to prevent a non existent Iranian nuclear weaponization program from producing a bomb, which they already have in the hundreds, except that they have thermonuclear payloads. Not only are Republicans acting like fools, but they are un American Fools at that! Imagine! Huckabee is running for President as an agent provocateur of Netanyahu.
Israel is for Israel. The interests of the US re not even considered in Tel Aviv, except to get around them. AIPAC has the US Congress in fear of their seats, so powerful is the political fifth column created by the Jewish Lobby in the US, and its regressive impact upon the Congress of the United States, that Israel has chutzpah not to care what America thinks or even what American Jews think.
Since the Palestinian and Jewish economies have diverged due to the availability cheap East European and Asian Labor, along with unapologetic settlement expansion, Israel has gone its own way on policy. Today ultra nationalist Israel's actions are at nearly complete odds with the interests of the US. Men like Sheldon Adelson have bought elections and members of Congress to serve the interests of Israel and not the American People.
That the Republicans who dance to every tune played by AIPAC are considered Conservatives is preposterous, because they are willing to surrender the sovereignty of the United States to the interests of Israel.
Now nuclear armed Israel demands that we go to war to prevent a non existent Iranian nuclear weaponization program from producing a bomb, which they already have in the hundreds, except that they have thermonuclear payloads. Not only are Republicans acting like fools, but they are un American Fools at that! Imagine! Huckabee is running for President as an agent provocateur of Netanyahu.
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It's always been rather obvious that for Israel, the U.S. is an ally of convenience. Why is anyone surprised by the hero status of Pollard in Israel? The Israelis deliberately murdered dozens of American sailors on board the "Liberty" in 1967; in reality they care about Americans and America not one whit.
What's really amazing is the way in which we continue to worship this rogue state, with its apartheid policies and its secret nuclear program which has built some 200 to 300 nuclear bombs. Israel is a destabilizing force in the Middle East. It hurts American interests at every turn, and has done so for decades. Severing the Israel connection would be very much in the American interest.
What's really amazing is the way in which we continue to worship this rogue state, with its apartheid policies and its secret nuclear program which has built some 200 to 300 nuclear bombs. Israel is a destabilizing force in the Middle East. It hurts American interests at every turn, and has done so for decades. Severing the Israel connection would be very much in the American interest.
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i'm glad that we resisted releasing pollard before his parole, despite all of the pressure from israel. i find it extremely troubling that israel is comfortable acting like an opposition party inside america, threatening lawmakers, speaking before congress, and having their current ambassador actively lobbying lawmakers to oppose the president. why do we tolerate this behavior from a client state?
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A pox on both your houses. Israel has become increasingly angry and isolated by their own selfish actions over the last 30 years. This is merely an egregious example of a continuous series of actions, policies and statements which separate Israel's future from everyone else's. Pollard, the settlements, the fence, Netanyahu's political manipulation of Boehner, Israel's clutching of Huckabee and the right wing nut house of American politics--all these slip Israel further and further from the realm of reality and American friendship.
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Jonathon Pollard is a traitor to the United States and should remain imprisoned for the rest of his life.
Arguments that spying for Israel constitute a special case since Israel is an ally of the US are disingenuous at best. Israel is a foreign power whose interests often are not the same as the interests of our own country.
This matter has nothing to do with American neo-cons or American liberals. It has everything to do with our own national security.
To think that the release of this man would somehow serve as a "carrot" to induce the Israeli government to mitigate their criticism of the Iran deal is ridiculous. They won't, nor should they given that their leaders appear to believe that Iran is the most significant threat to the state of Israel. Israel has stated repeatedly and has demonstrated repeatedly that it will do whatever it deems fit to defend their national interests.
They do so when they buy US congressmen via AIPAC and campaign donors. They did so when they attacked the USS Liberty in an effort to get the US to attack Egypt. They do so when they weigh in on American presidential elections.
The release of Pollard is an insult to Americans and will only serve to encourage Israel that they will not face repercussions when Israeli leaders decide that America isn't doing their bidding in some future matter. President Obama is just flat wrong on this matter.
Arguments that spying for Israel constitute a special case since Israel is an ally of the US are disingenuous at best. Israel is a foreign power whose interests often are not the same as the interests of our own country.
This matter has nothing to do with American neo-cons or American liberals. It has everything to do with our own national security.
To think that the release of this man would somehow serve as a "carrot" to induce the Israeli government to mitigate their criticism of the Iran deal is ridiculous. They won't, nor should they given that their leaders appear to believe that Iran is the most significant threat to the state of Israel. Israel has stated repeatedly and has demonstrated repeatedly that it will do whatever it deems fit to defend their national interests.
They do so when they buy US congressmen via AIPAC and campaign donors. They did so when they attacked the USS Liberty in an effort to get the US to attack Egypt. They do so when they weigh in on American presidential elections.
The release of Pollard is an insult to Americans and will only serve to encourage Israel that they will not face repercussions when Israeli leaders decide that America isn't doing their bidding in some future matter. President Obama is just flat wrong on this matter.
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Facts of the case aside, it's interesting not to find a single pro-Pollard, pro-Israeli reaction by 55 comments and counting, where are you Manhattan/Brooklyn/New Jersey/Florida?!
Israel has never been an ally of the United States.
The relationship has been a one-way Use Job since Day One.
The relationship has been a one-way Use Job since Day One.
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Pollard is a traitor who damaged both the United States and Israel for a pot of gold. I wonder why he was not court martial-ed and executed by fire squad for his acts. By paroling him, the federal government rewards the misbehavior of allies and their cronies. Not only releasing Pollard is an impediment to peace in the Middle East, it shows how a coalition of zealots, West Bank settlers, and right-wing politicians can bend the US government. I hope Pollard will be forced to remain in the US and not pollute my country Israel. There is not room for traitors like him here.
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Things have changed since Julius and Ether Rosenberg.
Now, we cry 'Traitor, Traitor' and follow to 'disproportionate' jail term.
Now, we cry 'Traitor, Traitor' and follow to 'disproportionate' jail term.
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For people not familiar with the Pollard case, Rachel Maddow recapped his crime and shows media footage from that ear. At that time, according to the media footage, the Justice Dept said he would never see the light of day again.
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Does anyone believe that Pollard was unique, other than he was too stupid not to be caught?
How many other spies has Israel continued to run in the U.S.?
They were caught spying on the P5+1/Iran negotiations in Switzerland. Does anyone think for a minute that these are isolated initiatives?
How many other spies has Israel continued to run in the U.S.?
They were caught spying on the P5+1/Iran negotiations in Switzerland. Does anyone think for a minute that these are isolated initiatives?
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Maybe Obama is also trying to mute the fealty to Israel crowd in Congress. How is it that the America Firsters get to prefer the prime minister of Israel to our president, and cherish the treasonous Confederate flag?
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This piece plays right into the hands of people who believe that Israel has too much influence over the U.S. Government - awfully convenient at a time when the administration wants Israel to just keep quite about the nuclear deal in Iran. The timing couldn't have been better.
The truth is that Pollard was a pathetic incompetent who handed off some sensitive documents to Israel (far less damaging than what Snowden did). He received a life sentence with a mandatory 30 year parole, which means he gets out in November - absent bad behavior in prison. Repeated requests over the years for a pardon or early release were denied.
Israeli influence over the U.S.? This story (not to mention the deal with Iran) demonstrates the opposite is true.
The truth is that Pollard was a pathetic incompetent who handed off some sensitive documents to Israel (far less damaging than what Snowden did). He received a life sentence with a mandatory 30 year parole, which means he gets out in November - absent bad behavior in prison. Repeated requests over the years for a pardon or early release were denied.
Israeli influence over the U.S.? This story (not to mention the deal with Iran) demonstrates the opposite is true.
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@Steven: "Some sensitive documents"? If you read the evidence in the case, it involved ONE MILLION sensitive documents, which he also shopped around to other hostile governments! For money...not out of his devotion to Israel! Our "ally", Israel then traded many of these documents to the Soviets in exchange for the release of Jews in the Soviet Union who wished to emigrate to Israel and the US. It's an interesting footnote that Caspar Weinberger, who I believe is still Jewish, supported his execution for treason.
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If you don't recognize the Israeli influence over the US, you aren't living in the real world. They have completely controlled our congress and Obama is fighting to get enough votes to keep them from overriding his veto. Not one republican wold ever dare to vote against Netanyahu's wishes and many democrats won't.
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"They also understand that there would be no better move than freeing Mr. Pollard to sweeten the bitter pill of the Iran deal that Israelis are being asked to swallow."
"Bitter pill?" Why? Because in their psychotic minds Israelis cannot grasp that the Iran deal is to their benefit? That's the Israelis problem.
On the other hand, the U.S. public's response to Pollard's release, correctly patriotic and rightly negative, would show Israelis that they don't get America - if Israelis were capable of getting America. Which Israelis don't get. Because Israelis don't care to get America. Because Israelis don't think Israelis should have to get America. All Israelis ever think is that Americans have to get Israelis.
We'll see how that works out for the Israelis.
"Bitter pill?" Why? Because in their psychotic minds Israelis cannot grasp that the Iran deal is to their benefit? That's the Israelis problem.
On the other hand, the U.S. public's response to Pollard's release, correctly patriotic and rightly negative, would show Israelis that they don't get America - if Israelis were capable of getting America. Which Israelis don't get. Because Israelis don't care to get America. Because Israelis don't think Israelis should have to get America. All Israelis ever think is that Americans have to get Israelis.
We'll see how that works out for the Israelis.
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right on, Mr. Eller.
"The Israelis who employed Mr. Pollard also failed to take into account the risk he posed to the American Jewish community, which was subsequently suspected of disloyalty."
As if Israelis ever cared about the American Jewish community. The Israelis look down their noses at Jewish Americans. Israelis will even tell Jewish Americans that they're not really Jewish, and call Jewish Americans anti-Semites if Jewish Americans have the temerity to criticize Israel.
But Jewish Americans may deserve Israeli disdain. After all Jewish Americans have spoiled Israel, as they continue to do. No one who is an adult, who has been a parent, should be surprised that Israelis now act like spoiled adolescent brats towards Jewish Americans.
And as to who is "really Jewish?" That's another interesting conversation, and the truth isn't pretty.
As if Israelis ever cared about the American Jewish community. The Israelis look down their noses at Jewish Americans. Israelis will even tell Jewish Americans that they're not really Jewish, and call Jewish Americans anti-Semites if Jewish Americans have the temerity to criticize Israel.
But Jewish Americans may deserve Israeli disdain. After all Jewish Americans have spoiled Israel, as they continue to do. No one who is an adult, who has been a parent, should be surprised that Israelis now act like spoiled adolescent brats towards Jewish Americans.
And as to who is "really Jewish?" That's another interesting conversation, and the truth isn't pretty.
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You say, "And as to who is "really Jewish?" That's another interesting conversation, and the truth isn't pretty."
What are the sides you see in that "conversation" and what do you see as "the truth?"
What are the sides you see in that "conversation" and what do you see as "the truth?"
This comment resonates with my own experiences with Israelis I've encountered here in the US. Patronizing, condescending, contemptuous of Americans, even as they benefit from being here, getting a superior education, or starting a business here because it's much easier than in Israel.
"Spoiled" is an apt term, because the closest analogy to my experience with Israelis here is witnessing a spoiled teenager mistreat others while refusing to acknowledge their own shortcomings, of which they are completely oblivious.
"Spoiled" is an apt term, because the closest analogy to my experience with Israelis here is witnessing a spoiled teenager mistreat others while refusing to acknowledge their own shortcomings, of which they are completely oblivious.
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Israel has been a good ally but President Obama has proven that Iran will be a better ally. A strong Iran means a Free Palestinian State and peace in the Middle East.
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of course, A strong Iran means liberal and progressive reforms in Muslim countries as well. freedom and peace it's just what they do, their history prove it. check out and open your eyes.
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Let's cut to the chase--why don't we change the title just a bit to reflect the author's real intentions--it's the JEWS who don't get American values. Every time someone with a Jewish sounding name strays off the straight and narrow innocent Jews are also blamed for the wrong doing. It's called collective responsibility--all Jews are responsible for what Jonathan Pollard did. It's happened before--French Jews were no longer considered loyal French citizens after Alfred Dreyfus was arrested and degraded on charges of treason. Why dedicated Times commenters really believe that Congress and US foreign policy is under the control of a sinister Jewish organization called AIPAC. See how collective responsibility works--American Jewry plans to control a great God-fearing nation through its surrogate AIPAC. Therefore American Jews aren't good Americans. Actually I've dreaded Pollard's release because it gives every Jew hating crackpot an opportunity to crawl out of from under their rocks and stir up those ugly anti-Semitic hatreds all over again.
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And how do you think it is for blacks every time some black American commits a crime?
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It seems that this is a classic case of the pot calling the kettle black. Sharon 5101 is the crackpot here. Collective victimization of Jews is Sharon's claim. Absurd.
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For more than half a century, Jews in the US and other parts of the world have overcome immense suffering and been tremendously successful in numerous corners. This is a population, however loosely defined, that is known to punch well above its weight. However, the facts remain that Jews make up less than 2% of the American public; the population of Israel makes up a fraction of 1% of the global population. Eventually, the debt of good will that many Western populations feel in response to the horrors of the Second World War will ebb with memory and these numbers will become important. Even if we assume (as some on the right in Israel seem to) that all American Jews are supporters of Israel, the math would suggest that this population ought to receive a fair, but proportionately very small amount of our attention. Future world leaders will reach similar conclusions if they are continually forced to choose between Israel and everyone else. Surely someone in Israel recognizes this problem and is working to build strategic relationships based on the demographics and working with a wider audience rather than the assumption that the word "antisemitism" can always be used to cower allies into obedience.
That said, the assumption that allies would not spy on each other that is articulated in this article is nonsense. It is the undiplomatic reaction of the Israeli politicians and population that is difficult to swallow, not that fact that there were spies in the first place.
That said, the assumption that allies would not spy on each other that is articulated in this article is nonsense. It is the undiplomatic reaction of the Israeli politicians and population that is difficult to swallow, not that fact that there were spies in the first place.
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the opposition to the iran deal has actually been running ads where i live attacking the deal. who believes that lobbying in hawaii will change anything on that issue? okay, one of our senators is a jew, but he's not chuck schumer and beholden to a large jewish constituency. the timing of pollard's eligibility for parole is not something the obama administration could change; but the timing may be fortuitous. just not in the way some think. is it a sop to israel? i doubt it. what it will do and is doing is remind americans that israel's claims about iran being untrustwory are matched by its own actions as exemplified by jonathan pollard - who spied not only for israel, but several other countries as well, if ranking navy intel officers are to be believed.
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This is just very sad. Israel is called our closest ally why? Why do Americans bow down to Israel and not to America, where are their loyalties? Why si this administration trying to placate Israel when Netanyahu demeans and undermines this America president? Is it because Obama is a person of color? What is going on here? People need to decide if they are American citizens or citizens of Israel.
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Israel must take a step forward and share the cost leadership to assume their responsabilities for peace and stability in the world
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To start with before all the U.S. Outrage about the spying, the U.S. Has been caught spying on the Leaders of France and Germany in the last few months. Regarding the release of Pollard , what is the deal between the U.S. And Israel?. It seems this nasty genocidal Israeli Government can do no wrong or is at best treated like a slightly naughty spoilt child. Appeased at every turn regardless of the outrages it commits and protected in the United Nations by the U.S. Veto. Time the ordinary US citizens started to ask they're Government a few what and why's?.
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Pollard served his sentence and should now live within whatever post-release restraints are deemed appropriate - hopefully they will be severe and restrictive. He was just another spy who got caught. We are very much aware the real danger to the United States lies in the large number of Americans who owe primary loyalty to Israel, either due to dual citizenship or for ideological reasons. Such Americans, including members of Congress, represent a fifth column and should be treated as if they are registered foreign agents or foreign diplomats. Imagine if American politicians accepted large campaign contributions or speaking fees from individuals or organizations associated with Cuba or Iran, organized pilgrimages to those countries, and invited their leaders to intervene in American politics. Israel's expansionism and repression in Palestine represents a far greater threat to this country than Iran's investment in nuclear energy. Our continuing embrace of Israel makes us a legitimate target for those suffering from its policies (or from their allies). Pollard in this sense is a sideshow; the real danger lies with the multitude seeking a pat on the head or a check in the mail from AIPEC, from those whose religious convictions menace us all, and from those whose intolerance and misplaced sense of superiority threaten catastrophic conflict instead of collaborative problem-solving. Let Pollard live in a community of veterans in a home marked "TRAITOR".
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I'm a right wing extremist, NYC-resident, 70 yo Jew,and Israeli nationalist, and I deplore and despise Mr Pollard's release, but then I have advanced Obama Derangement Syndrome, and hope to infect others
Mr Pollard is no Jewish hero or martyr but a spy for any and all, for no reason other than his own, and both Israelis and American Jews should hold ourselves to higher standards over Jewish spies in the US
and avoid such usage
BUT all countries spy on all other countries
and Mr Obama is completely corrupt, which is his business and his voters
Mr Pollard, is 'our' business
we cannot keep him in prison where he should die, after along time of penitence and remorse, but we can and should shun him
Mr Pollard is no Jewish hero or martyr but a spy for any and all, for no reason other than his own, and both Israelis and American Jews should hold ourselves to higher standards over Jewish spies in the US
and avoid such usage
BUT all countries spy on all other countries
and Mr Obama is completely corrupt, which is his business and his voters
Mr Pollard, is 'our' business
we cannot keep him in prison where he should die, after along time of penitence and remorse, but we can and should shun him
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One has to wonder how many Israeli spies are operating in the US. Mr. Pollard got caught. Israel only cares about Israel. It is willing to do anything, including undermining their allies. The US, is not innocent, in this regard either, one has to wonder how many spies the US has in Israel and among our allies.
Both country' elected leaders, and legislators, are paranoid. They see a terrorist under every rock. They are also willing to throw ethics and morals, by the wayside, due to this paranoia.
Israel, like the US, has become more and more a bastion of right wing, conservative thought and ideas. To the point that a majority is rules by a very vocal, very frightening minority. A minority that is willing to play a divide and conquer strategy to achieve, and retain power. They are willing to use military force as a first option. And, they are willing to find scapegoats, in their population, to blame for their nation's ills.
It is very easy to understand Israel, or the United States, far right politicians; all they have to do is look in the mirror. They are like bookends. They have the same agenda. Expel all non-Jews from Israel and rebuild the Temple. They differ on why. For Israel it restores what was lost from the Diaspora; for the US Christian Conservatives it ushers in the second coming of Christ. And, in both cases, they see 1 billion Muslims standing in their way. To deal with that, encourage the Sunni and Shia to kill each other in the ultimate war.
Both country' elected leaders, and legislators, are paranoid. They see a terrorist under every rock. They are also willing to throw ethics and morals, by the wayside, due to this paranoia.
Israel, like the US, has become more and more a bastion of right wing, conservative thought and ideas. To the point that a majority is rules by a very vocal, very frightening minority. A minority that is willing to play a divide and conquer strategy to achieve, and retain power. They are willing to use military force as a first option. And, they are willing to find scapegoats, in their population, to blame for their nation's ills.
It is very easy to understand Israel, or the United States, far right politicians; all they have to do is look in the mirror. They are like bookends. They have the same agenda. Expel all non-Jews from Israel and rebuild the Temple. They differ on why. For Israel it restores what was lost from the Diaspora; for the US Christian Conservatives it ushers in the second coming of Christ. And, in both cases, they see 1 billion Muslims standing in their way. To deal with that, encourage the Sunni and Shia to kill each other in the ultimate war.
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Israel is not worth protecting or forgiving any longer. It has repeatedly taken actions which foment unrest in the Middle East. The U.S. can screw things up just fine on their own and we don't need to encourage and amplify the unrest by our unwavering devotion to Israel. Not to mention the fact that Israel is like a greedy spoiled child, always wanting more.
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Celebrating Pollard's release and calling him a hero will only fuel distrust of Israel in the minds of many Americans.
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I wonder how the US would celebrate an American spy after he was held in prison for 30 years and then released? Is it just possible that this guy would be called a hero in the US?
This scenario is completely hypothetical, of course, since the American colonies (aka Germany and France) would never dare do something as extravagant as imprisoning their own citizens who are spying for the United States. The hypocrisy of these "Pollard is a traitor" comments is mindboggling. Besides, 30 years in prison is a long time.
This scenario is completely hypothetical, of course, since the American colonies (aka Germany and France) would never dare do something as extravagant as imprisoning their own citizens who are spying for the United States. The hypocrisy of these "Pollard is a traitor" comments is mindboggling. Besides, 30 years in prison is a long time.
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Pollard's actions and imprisonment are inexcusable because, as a spy, he did the worst possible thing a spy could do.
He got caught.
He got caught.
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Wow I was thinking the same thing. Good post. That's because he worshiped the dollar his focus was off.
It just shows the USA´s hypocrisy and unwaiving self-centeredness when it has bad feelings about an Israeli spy in the US but has been spying on European political leaders (allies like Merkel) for decades.
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Pollard is reported to have given away the identities of U.S. agents, which Israel in turn traded to the Soviets, who shot them. I've seen no evidence that U.S. monitoring of Frau Merckel has resulted in comparable outcomes. And if you imagine Germany is not spying on its own allies...... wake up and smell the coffee!
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Yet this is a country the neoconservative right wingers in Congress continue to shower with blessings; cash; weapons; right to oppress the Palestinians; right to dictate policies for the United States. The Israelis have grown so big as to undermine Americans in many ways yet continue to receive unlimited support. This is a traitorous ally.
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Had the Palestinians been willing to negotiate for a two state solution, there would be no need for Israel to obtain weapons for its national defense. While the Kaffirs were able to obtain majority rule in South Africa, they would deny it to the Israelis. Israel has been majority ruled since its founding, including full rights for its Arab citizens. Arabs should have majority rule in state of their own, just as Israel does!
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Obama could have demanded a deal that, the day we release Pollard, Netanyahu would resign in exchange. A deal maker would have done that. but no, we give in with nothing in exchange but embarrassment. Where is Trump when we need him. He would have made this deal differently, and made us proud.
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Seriously??
He's being paroled, not pardoned. Parole is granted, in most cases is a result of actions by a parole board because a prisoner has earned "good time", which offsets and reduces the length of the original sentence.
Parole doesn't happen on the whim of an executive, like a governor or a PZzzresident.
He's being paroled, not pardoned. Parole is granted, in most cases is a result of actions by a parole board because a prisoner has earned "good time", which offsets and reduces the length of the original sentence.
Parole doesn't happen on the whim of an executive, like a governor or a PZzzresident.
What a crock! Netanyahu would never resign at the request of Obama, and certainly not in exchange for the release of Pollard. Trump wouldn't have made any better deal -- he's too self-centered to care.
Another day, another inflammatory piece in the NYT regarding Israel.
Pollard is being released at the end of a 30-year sentence, just like any other criminal is released at the end of their sentences. His crimes were 30 years ago and, as the author of the piece notes, the spymaster who recruited him was forced to resign. If the Justice Department didn't voluntarily free him then the Courts would; sentences can't be extended decades after they're imposed.
Pollard is being released at the end of a 30-year sentence, just like any other criminal is released at the end of their sentences. His crimes were 30 years ago and, as the author of the piece notes, the spymaster who recruited him was forced to resign. If the Justice Department didn't voluntarily free him then the Courts would; sentences can't be extended decades after they're imposed.
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Mr. Pollard is being paroled, not released for completing his life sentence. He was entitled to a review after serving 30 years and this has occured as specified in his riginal sentence. Since it appears that he has met the requirements for being paroled, he will be paroled later this year. This is not the same as Mr. Pollard having completely served his sentence and not a case where he is unconditionally entitled to be released from prison.
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If there is truth in sentencing, he should serve the entirety of the life sentence imposed. In the Constitution of the United States, the crime of treason is defined in Article III Section 3, "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." which has clearly happened in the case of Pollard.
The normal penalty is execution, Pollard was spared. That, in my opinion, is the extent of the mercy that should be extended to the spy. Eligibility for parole is not a guarantee of release. The president should have stopped it.
The normal penalty is execution, Pollard was spared. That, in my opinion, is the extent of the mercy that should be extended to the spy. Eligibility for parole is not a guarantee of release. The president should have stopped it.
He is not being released at the end of a 30 year sentence. He received a life sentence, and as such could have been imprisoned until he died. He is being paroled, which is a decision made by a Parole Board, not the Justice Department. The Courts have no jurisdiction in parole decisions. He has been denied parole in the past. This decision is politically motivated, and it is information that should be provided to interested observers.
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I don't fault Israel so much, since all nations gather intelligence on each other for their own protection. That is totally understandable in a Machiavellian world. Pollard, however, is a different matter altogether. He was a trusted American citizen, heavily involved in American intelligence, and betrayed his country, doing significant damage for money. It makes no difference that he is Jewish and he should remain in prison like the traitors Ames and Hansen.
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"He was a trusted American citizen, heavily involved in American intelligence, and betrayed his country, doing significant damage for money."
That, plus his character traits and ideas, which were already obvious while he was still in school, has to lead one to wonder why the US ever employed him in a sensitive position?
That, plus his character traits and ideas, which were already obvious while he was still in school, has to lead one to wonder why the US ever employed him in a sensitive position?
As an Israeli, I have mixed feelings about Pollard. If I were an American, I would not have mixed feelings. He betrayed his country, and he has served the time set down by federal guidelines. I do not think that his 30 year old information could help anyone now. He now should be allowed to live out the rest of his life quietly. Whether that takes place in the USA or Israel is irrelevant. He certainly should not be given a hero's welcome. He spied as much for the money as for any patriotic reason. Spying is a risky profession. There was no heroism involved.
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" ....... as for any patriotic reason". You mean traitorous reason. His country was the United States, remember? The one he backstabbed. What 'patriotism' are you talking about, unless this was a tacit admission that every Jewish American is really an Israeli citizen
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What US anger? After the US tolerated its deadly attack on the USS Liberty, Israel could expect it would tolerate spying.
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Oh. Big surprise. Israel doesn't get America. Well how could it? And how could it? When it has been coddled and spoon-fed by this country for so long that it wields its special privileges like some sort of protective force-field. And haven forbid!--You come out against some of its politics (Palestinians), and policies (Settlers), because then you risk being called an "anti-Semite" or worse -- even if you are Israeli!... And its ok for their Prime Minister to overstep diplomatic protocol by berating and denouncing the U.S. President before Congress, and at every given opportunity before and since that. Because, oh yes-- Israel doesn't get America.....Well this time I agree.
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Excellent article, with useful reminders of the facts, thanks.
This being said, linking the proposed Iran nuclear agreement with freeing a spy who leaked US military confidential information is wrong on several counts.
More broadly, this affair is just another example of Israel disproportionate and vicious influence on US domestic and foreign policies and politics, leading the US to violate its own principles in many ways.
This being said, linking the proposed Iran nuclear agreement with freeing a spy who leaked US military confidential information is wrong on several counts.
More broadly, this affair is just another example of Israel disproportionate and vicious influence on US domestic and foreign policies and politics, leading the US to violate its own principles in many ways.
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Please, do send him to Israel. He betrayed his country. In many places he would have been shot or hanged. Take away his American passport and let them have him.
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And then let us see what steps they take to make sure he won't betray *them*.
So Bibi managed to manipulate this off the back of the Iran deal. Pollard should be forced to stay in the USA and live within very tight restrictions, at the end of The day the guy is a traitor and his actions resulted in alot of deaths and grave risk to other agents, also making it very difficult for other Jewish Americans to get ahead. You sleep with dogs, you catch fleas!! What a very twisted relationship Israel has with America, I suppose US will eventually see.the true motivation for this so called friendship.once the annual billions of dollars cease to support their war machine!
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History being written after a few centuries will note that a small country 7,000 miles from mankind's greatest Superpower craftily took over the legislature and executive of the Superpower using its proxies, embroiled it in endless wars, and was a significant cause for the decline of the Superpower
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The pro-Israeli lobby has forced America to be a major funder and supporter of anti-Palestinian, anti-Arab, and anti-Muslim discrimination. It has forced America's foreign policy in the Middle East to act as if one Jewish life is worth much, much more than Palestinians or Arabs lives. No wonder we are hated in much of the Arab and Islamic world. No wonder much of America's foreign policy in the Middle East does not work.
And for what has America suffered such damage to its interests? So Jews can have a state that discriminates against non-Jews. How is that in America's interests? How is that in anybody's interest? How is it ultimately even in the long term interest of Jews?
And for what has America suffered such damage to its interests? So Jews can have a state that discriminates against non-Jews. How is that in America's interests? How is that in anybody's interest? How is it ultimately even in the long term interest of Jews?
The U.S. has never put "boots on the ground" in Israel in that nation's defense, other than a few trainers, or advisors. Any study of Israel's wars, reveals them, with the possible exception of the 1956 Sinai Campaign instigated by Britain and France, to be "defensive wars of necessity," rather than "unnecessary wars of choice!"
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Are you, and so many other commentators, referring to the so-called "Jewish Lobby" in the US? Hmmm...
Well, the bottom line is 'If you can't do the time, don't do the Crime'. What most are forgetting is that he also spied for Pakistan and South Africa!
Good luck - you just wasted 30 years of your life!
Good luck - you just wasted 30 years of your life!
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If we have learnt anything from the episode is that spying on your allies is never a good thing. Unfortunately 30 years after this countries including the United States continue to do this. I reminder of the large scale phone taps on European leaders, and I am sure that was not the full extend of U.S. spying on its closest European allies.
For that matter it would not be surprising to have a cell in the CIA actively spying on Israel right now using human intelligence. What is baffling which I agree with the author is the way Israel is handling this. Most countries would be quick to brush the episode under the rug, and say, "oops my bad. wont' happen again."
If they celebrate Mr. Pollard (Which people in democracies have the right to do) without the official line being one of deep contrition it sends a terrible message to the United States people.
Allies make mistakes, but they don't celebrate them.
For that matter it would not be surprising to have a cell in the CIA actively spying on Israel right now using human intelligence. What is baffling which I agree with the author is the way Israel is handling this. Most countries would be quick to brush the episode under the rug, and say, "oops my bad. wont' happen again."
If they celebrate Mr. Pollard (Which people in democracies have the right to do) without the official line being one of deep contrition it sends a terrible message to the United States people.
Allies make mistakes, but they don't celebrate them.
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Difference that you fail to understand is he wasn't spying on, he was spying for. He wasn't trying to find out what they were thinking, he was passing classified documents that threatened our national security. Big difference. In one case you get information in the other you place people in harms way.
He should have been executed as a traitor.
He should have been executed as a traitor.
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Pollard is a traitor. He was convicted and sentence to life in prison: other countries would have simply killed him. He is safer in U.S. jail than out of it. His release would be a grave insult the people who risk their lives for the peace and safety of the United States, and would destabilize middle eastern politics resulting in increased danger for Jews and Israel.
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I might note that Israel kept Mordechai Vanunu--a whistleblower about the deceptive use of Dimona as a place for nuclear enrichment--in solitary for years and released him on the condition he not speak with "foreigners"or leave Israel.
When a citizen tries to show the world that the Israel government is lying to the USA and the world, he is imprisoned and kept away from the world; when another - a traitor in every sense of the word - sells secrets to Israel, he is a hero.
When a citizen tries to show the world that the Israel government is lying to the USA and the world, he is imprisoned and kept away from the world; when another - a traitor in every sense of the word - sells secrets to Israel, he is a hero.
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Israel does not seem to treat its own traitors as heroes upon release from prison:
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.654095
http://www.haaretz.com/news/israel/.premium-1.654095
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Edward Snowden is in the same position as Mordechai Vanunu, by revealing US government lies and illegal spying upon its own citizens. Whistle blowers are heroes, but they are scorned by the elites feeding at the trough. In Snowden's case it is Kerry, Obama, Feinstein, Hillary Clinton (yes, she is as anti-democratic/Constitution as the rest) and the criminals running the spy system, retired but still grifting in the private sector, Hayden, Alexander and the felon Clapper, not as confident a liar to Congress as the previous two were. If any of you doubt that, look up the videos of the three liars testifying before Congress on YouTube.
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I don't have any reason to want Pollard in prison any longer, not on the public dime. He is no longer capable of doing harm to this country. What does disturb me is the insanity of Israeli policy, both in recruiting him, making a champion of him, and being completely tone-deaf to the repercussions here. Israel is very dependent on the U.S. economically and militarily. In this instance and many others, it appears to be shooting itself in the foot.
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Pollard sold Israel information that led to the deaths of U.S. agents. I hope he is allowed to emigrate to Israel and that the Israelis give him a hero's welcome. It would prove once and for all that Israel is no ally on the United States.
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This would be the best thing to happen. Israel needs to be cut loose and learn to stand on it's own. The only reason they have gotten away with everything up to date is protection from the US.
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American’s are becoming more disillusioned every day with Israel and its control on the House and foreign policy by virtue of AIPAC and other billionaire donors and its stranglehold hold on the media.
The Rosenberg’s were executed for treason so was why Jonathan Pollard not afforded the same treatment? The Israeli’s are unable to comprehend the anger felt by Veterans after the destruction of the USS Liberty and the Lavon Affair and the billions in taxpayer aid handed over yearly to Israel.
Israel is no friend and ally to the US and the US does itself no favours by continually using the veto at the UN. No other negotiating partner in the Iran talks has suffered the way Obama/Kerry have.
The Israeli mindset is reminiscent of the words of George Bush: you're either against or with us. If Jonathan a Pollard is released then America should demand that Mordachai Vannunu be allowed to leave Israel. Quid pro quo.
The Rosenberg’s were executed for treason so was why Jonathan Pollard not afforded the same treatment? The Israeli’s are unable to comprehend the anger felt by Veterans after the destruction of the USS Liberty and the Lavon Affair and the billions in taxpayer aid handed over yearly to Israel.
Israel is no friend and ally to the US and the US does itself no favours by continually using the veto at the UN. No other negotiating partner in the Iran talks has suffered the way Obama/Kerry have.
The Israeli mindset is reminiscent of the words of George Bush: you're either against or with us. If Jonathan a Pollard is released then America should demand that Mordachai Vannunu be allowed to leave Israel. Quid pro quo.
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Read the Constitution. The definition of treason is very narrow. As for your argument that Vannunu should be allowed to leave Israel, I agree.
Israel doesn't control the US House and foreign policy. That's the GOP. And their support for Israel has nothing to do with American security and everything to do with their determination that religion should drive policy.
It's not coincidence that most American Jews support the Democratic party and its candidates even as they support Israel's right to exist. American Jews more than any other ethnic, racial, or religious group understand that only a truly secular government can be trusted to protect its minorities.
It's not coincidence that most American Jews support the Democratic party and its candidates even as they support Israel's right to exist. American Jews more than any other ethnic, racial, or religious group understand that only a truly secular government can be trusted to protect its minorities.
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It is deeply sad to reflect on how the US is here missing a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to display its heartfelt commitment to human rights. It could have made Pollard's release contingent upon an undertaking by Israel to hand over nuclear whistleblower Mordecai Vanunu, who despite having long ago served his jail-time has long been forbidden to leave Israel, even to speak with journalists. But it is not too late. Even now, the US could stipulate that Pollard's emigration to Israel will be conditional upon Israel's release of Vanunu, who rightly deserves political asylum in the USA. --- I strongly recommend that, right away, the US consult with luminary Daniel Ellsberg on this one.
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I agree completely with this article. Mr. Pollard was a self centered fool who spied for money and got caught. His traitorous acts have been inflated and complicated by Israel's far right and it's twisted world view. His actions harmed America and the many loyal American Jews who have tirelessly served America's national interest. Mr. Pollard's jail sentence was long because he was an America spying for one of our ALLIES, Against us. Of course it was long. When a man betrays you to an enemy, you kind of understand, you accept it. When he betrays you to a friend, or someone you thought was a friend, that is true betrayal. The utter, obstinate failure of Israel's government to recognize the DEEP hurt Pollard's actions caused to it's biggest ally kind of infuriates me. I personally am an Israel supporter but the actions of the Israeli government often make that a very hard thing in the United States.
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Mr. Bergman nailed it. Mr. Pollard is a traitor to the United States and, no matter how friendly we are to Israel, should not be viewed as a patriot to Israel. In a marriage, a third person who steals from the husband to give to the wife should be condemned by both husband and wife. And.. this would be a generous interpretation of Mr. Pollard's behavior.
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The U.S. has recently been revealed to have spied on many of its closest allies in Europe and South America. The spying went right to the top, involving eavesdropping on the private communications of the heads of state in those countries. Should the U.S. officials and technicians who approved and carried out the espionage be identified and extradited to face a few decades of imprisonment? I assume those who feel deeply aggrieved by Pollard would answer affirmatively.
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Horrible analogy! Pollard was an American spying for Israel, our spies spy FOR us.
Exactly Bryan,
This guy Kan obviously is just ignorant.
This guy Kan obviously is just ignorant.
You don't think we ever enlist the services of locals in our espionage efforts? Would it be OK with you for them to spend a few decades in prison? Would you be forgiving of Pollard if he were Israeli? Everyone involved is complicit, regardless of citizenship. Do you think espionage itself is morally abhorrent? Among allies? If so, then perhaps you think 30 years or more in prison is reasonable for Pollard. But then you should feel the same way about any locals we employ. And if so, then it’s a little strange to completely absolve our own spies and handlers for seeking such locals, encouraging and paying them, and engaging in spying themselves. After all, Germany, the UK, etc. are our closest allies, and they share our values – their citizens and ours don’t have the excuse that they flagrantly violate human rights or other standards that we uphold. Or in contrast, do you think that spying is just something that goes on, among allies as well as adversaries? If so, then you would probably find 30 years excessive for our spies or the locals we employ who happen to get caught. And in that case, Pollard’s punishment should also be seen as excessive. The point is, I’ll bet few of those who feel that 30 years is OK for Pollard would feel the same way for anyone – our own citizens or the locals we employ – enduring the same punishment for comparable conduct. Would you?
"The argument that Mr. Pollard has been jailed longer than other nations’ spies is a legitimate one." This is a very strong argument, and it should not be just mentioned in passing, while all the negative statements are fully discussed. Pollard was a spy, and being caught he deserved to be punished - but punished in a way consistent with others committing the same offense. Also, it is well known that the US spies on Israel - some spies have actually been caught - but they were quietly returned to the US. No reasonable person would argue that what Pollard did was not a crime, and by solely focusing on that, and not discussing whether this was in fact business as usual, nor considering the level of punishment compared to similar crimes, is most unfortunate and clearly points to the biases of the writer.
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Pollard is a traitor with reckless disregard for US interests. The crooks in Israel who sing his praises openly mock our interests, insult us and ridicule our feelings. Supposedly one of our closest friends and allies, the Israeli government does not show even a pretense of remorse or contrition. American law treats everyone the same - things like how vital the stolen secrets were to Israeli interests or how small Israel is or the magnitude of danger it faces from its neighbors in no way changes the plain and simple fact - he is a crook, a criminal and a traitor.
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This story just does not make sense
Who is more guilty here? Mr Pollard or Israel? Does US give billions of dollars so that our alleged friends can use that money to spy on us?
It is hard to understand why it seems that US is feeling guilty about imprisoning this chap. Top Israel leaders may have derailed many a deal just because US refused to release Mr Pollard.
If this was a person from Iran or Syria how would US senate have reacted? Are friends motives of spying "better" then those who are labelled "enemies"?
If Israel celebrates his release, how is it different from palestinians or other muslims celebrating when US has adversity?
Sometimes US politicians should rise above the obligations due to campaign contributions from very special interests like AIPAC and call a spade a spade.
Who is more guilty here? Mr Pollard or Israel? Does US give billions of dollars so that our alleged friends can use that money to spy on us?
It is hard to understand why it seems that US is feeling guilty about imprisoning this chap. Top Israel leaders may have derailed many a deal just because US refused to release Mr Pollard.
If this was a person from Iran or Syria how would US senate have reacted? Are friends motives of spying "better" then those who are labelled "enemies"?
If Israel celebrates his release, how is it different from palestinians or other muslims celebrating when US has adversity?
Sometimes US politicians should rise above the obligations due to campaign contributions from very special interests like AIPAC and call a spade a spade.
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They should, but generally they don't.
Let those without sin cast the first stone. The U.S. Spies on its enemies and was recently caught spying on its allies. Everyone spies on everyone so the US shouldn't play the righteous card. Yes pollard should have been punished and he was.
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I am uncertain if Mr. Pollard deserves any mercy as he is unrepentant and he is aided and abetted by the current Israeli government. Nevertheless, I have no problem with our government -following the same due process as for others- and then releasing him from prison. What I have a major problem with as Mr.
Bergman commented is any celebration by the government in Israel, let alone any citizens of Israel. Mr. Pollard was a traitor to my country and placed his fellow Jewish Americans such as myself under a shadow. He is no hero.
Bergman commented is any celebration by the government in Israel, let alone any citizens of Israel. Mr. Pollard was a traitor to my country and placed his fellow Jewish Americans such as myself under a shadow. He is no hero.
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Why is it that the US is 'best friends' with a nation that takes our money, borrows even more and doesn't pay it back, lies to us, steals from us, starts fights that we sometimes have to bail them out of, and punches us in the nose every once in a while?
I am reminded of a line from the character 'Pris' in 'Blade Runner' - "You're our best and only friend". I had friends like that when I was younger. I stopped answering the phone when they called.
I am reminded of a line from the character 'Pris' in 'Blade Runner' - "You're our best and only friend". I had friends like that when I was younger. I stopped answering the phone when they called.
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"Israelis are unforgiving toward those who threaten their own security, but completely fail to understand the anger of other countries when their security is harmed." Yes, and in the same way, Americans are unforgiving toward those who threaten their own security, but completely fail to understand the anger of other countries such as Germany when their security is harmed by the NSA.
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I say we let J.P. go back to Israel, then publish his address to all of the evangelical Christian Americans who make trips to the holy land. Then he and his wife can constantly try to explain their behavior to them. I say let this guy live, but not in peace. Israel will truly be getting one of America's finest if he goes back. Otherwise he should be treated like any parolee. Make him wear an ankle bracelet and be forced to tell his neighbors that he is a convict. The lack of shame that his supporters show is what galls me. Israel get billions in aide from papa eagle every year, and then even their president demands this traitor be released to help relations. Netanyahu believes that U.S. Jews and liberals don't support Israel, and that the folks in the fly over states are mere rubes who support Israel because it might herald the rapture. By so openly supporting such a classy guy like Pollard, they risk alienating the people that think love Israel so much. Also enough with labeling people who criticize Israel as being anti-Semitic. Pollard better pray that the yahoos who felt butthurt about the lowering of the Confederate flag in South Carolina don't decide to take their message of peace and love one Carolina North on the 21st of November for a protest, lest Netanyahu see the way that real flyover rubes feel about Israel.
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“The way the Israeli leadership and the public have reacted to Mr. Pollard’s 30-year imprisonment is an excellent example of their profound misunderstanding of American values and thinking…"
Not really. they do understand, but think they can get away with it because they know their wealthy supporters in US have locked in Congressional support no matter how grotesque their actions.
"In retrospect, it’s hard to believe that a person like Mr. Pollard was ever recruited to sensitive positions in either country. “
US might have hired him to avoid a bogus antisemitism suit which is typically filed by the likes of Pollard.
As for Israeli leaders' behavior at the time, it further goes to show Israel is no ally of US or any other country.
Not really. they do understand, but think they can get away with it because they know their wealthy supporters in US have locked in Congressional support no matter how grotesque their actions.
"In retrospect, it’s hard to believe that a person like Mr. Pollard was ever recruited to sensitive positions in either country. “
US might have hired him to avoid a bogus antisemitism suit which is typically filed by the likes of Pollard.
As for Israeli leaders' behavior at the time, it further goes to show Israel is no ally of US or any other country.
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The US denies a pardon to Edward Snowden, a whistleblower who risked everything to reveal the depth of American domestic spying on US citizens, and offers a pardon to Jonathan Pollard, an American traitor convicted of spying for our so-called "friend and ally", Israel. Unbelievable. Except that it's not ...
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Snowden gave China classified information, similar to Pollard handing over sensitive information to Israel. Pollard is not being pardoned, he is being paroled.
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Readers may remember one or two statements by Benjamin Netanyahu to the effect that any agreement between Iran and USA+5 is not worth the paper it is printed on because Iran cannot be trusted, Iranians will lie.
Then I read this today in this article: "When the case blew up, the Israelis did the opposite of what was needed to placate the furious American administration — they continued lying and concealing essential facts from the F.B.I. investigators who came to Tel Aviv."
So yes, Benjamin Netanyahu, highly placed representatives of various countries do engage in lies and deception. Therefore as concerns nuclear programs and nuclear weapons, inspection and transparency become the key concepts.
Perhaps you can protect us against those in your governments and agencies who lie by joining the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) "without further delay" (quoted phrase from UN General Assembly 2012)
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
Then I read this today in this article: "When the case blew up, the Israelis did the opposite of what was needed to placate the furious American administration — they continued lying and concealing essential facts from the F.B.I. investigators who came to Tel Aviv."
So yes, Benjamin Netanyahu, highly placed representatives of various countries do engage in lies and deception. Therefore as concerns nuclear programs and nuclear weapons, inspection and transparency become the key concepts.
Perhaps you can protect us against those in your governments and agencies who lie by joining the Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty (NPT) "without further delay" (quoted phrase from UN General Assembly 2012)
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
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Let's stop giving money, loans and arms to Israel. Stop sharing intelligence. Stop joint military exercises.
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From all indications, it would seem that Mr. Pollard was ( during his time of spying ) a person of low character, with little or no ethics, with a penchant for living well above his means. Any rejoicing of his release would be indicative of others with similar unethical character limitations.
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Everyone seems to have forgotten that Pollard and his attorney had agreed to a plea bargain, which was scuttled by a last-minute filing by Caspar Weinberger. Remember above all that Cap the Knife was a virulent antisemite, hating the fact that his paternal grandparents had been Bohemian Jews who eventually converted to Christianity. He despised his Jewish background, and took out decades of self-hate on Pollard. Yes, Pollard deserved punishment, but not a sentence longer than any other spy had ever served.
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You make Weinberger sound as trustworthy as Pollard and Netanyahu.
Weinberger's maternal side was not Jewish. One is only Jewish through being born to a Jewish woman (or by conversion).
He might have been a virulent antisemite, but calling 'self-hating' is in itself an anti-semitic slur.
He might have been a virulent antisemite, but calling 'self-hating' is in itself an anti-semitic slur.
With friends like these! It's time for America to get out of the Israel business. Former CIA operative, Michael Scheurer, is right when he tells his country to dump Israel back on the United Nations and concentrate on doable missions instead of expensive lost causes.
It was the UN that created Israel by partitioning Palestine into two people's pitted against each other doomed to perpetual fighting. Thanks United Nations!
It was the UN that created Israel by partitioning Palestine into two people's pitted against each other doomed to perpetual fighting. Thanks United Nations!
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Why is it that Israel always feels entitled when it comes to the US? What exactly do we owe the Israelis? They spy on us and they want us to apologize. It's as if we are Israel's vassal state.
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Great summation. Do any of the know how to look at a map? I have thought about what you just said for quite some time.
I don't support what Pollard did but remember the U.S. And N.S.A. taps the phones of the head of Germany, England and France, and probably every other world leader. The Snowden disclosures shows that the U.S. spies on its allies, so please don't sound so self righteous and offended about an ally spying on the U.S.
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Good point!
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It's not that an ally spied on us. We do that to everyone and should expect the same.
The issue is Israel encouraging Pollard (successfully) to provide it with information classified by the US government, incessantly clamoring for influence in our domestic criminal justice system (up to and including using Pollard's release as a prerequisite for agreement on other, more important, diplomatic issues), initially lying about Israel's complicity in Pollard's actions, later granting him Israeli citizenship and shamelessly visiting him in prison to score political points at home, and praising a traitor to the US as an Israeli national hero. All while receiving extraordinary monetary and military aid from the US, egregiously interfering with internal our democratic process (with an assist from the GOP), and increasingly taking positions that demonstrate that it has no interest in reining in its bellicosity in favor of peaceful regional solutions.
Israel has cast Pollard as a martyr in hopes of lessening his time in prison; however, their meddling, in the eyes of many Americans (myself enthusiastically included) epitomizes the dysfunctionality we must suffer in the name of standing by our "ally."
The issue is Israel encouraging Pollard (successfully) to provide it with information classified by the US government, incessantly clamoring for influence in our domestic criminal justice system (up to and including using Pollard's release as a prerequisite for agreement on other, more important, diplomatic issues), initially lying about Israel's complicity in Pollard's actions, later granting him Israeli citizenship and shamelessly visiting him in prison to score political points at home, and praising a traitor to the US as an Israeli national hero. All while receiving extraordinary monetary and military aid from the US, egregiously interfering with internal our democratic process (with an assist from the GOP), and increasingly taking positions that demonstrate that it has no interest in reining in its bellicosity in favor of peaceful regional solutions.
Israel has cast Pollard as a martyr in hopes of lessening his time in prison; however, their meddling, in the eyes of many Americans (myself enthusiastically included) epitomizes the dysfunctionality we must suffer in the name of standing by our "ally."
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This isn't about Israel spying. This is about Pollard being guilty of betraying his country. This country!! Keep him locked up for the rest of his life. He could have been shot!
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Pollard's spying violated our laws for which he should have been and was punished. The fact that he spied for an ally should have brought him a lesser sentence than a spy for an enemy. In addition, our government offered Pollard a plea deal which he accepted, but then the government reneged on their offer and threw the book at him. This unethical improper behavior has been attribute to Secy of Defense, Caspar Weinberger. Such mistreatment and the fact that Pollard has been imprisoned longer than almost any other American spy, even those who spied for enemies of the US, have constituted the complaints against Pollard's confinement - the double standards - not the fact that he was imprisoned for spying. Ronen doesn't seem to have a good grasp of the facts of the case and the overall context - the more lenient treatment of other spies by our courts.
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With the exception of treason charges, our criminal code makes no distinction between spying for a friend versus a foe. Nor should it. Allies can become enemies in the blink of an eye. Which is why officials much more senior than Pollard was are the ones weighing the risks inherent in sharing intelligence with any other nation.
You are mistaken regarding the circumstances surrounding Pollard's plea deal. In exchange for drastically reduced charges and leniency for his wife, Pollard (and his wife) agreed to cooperate fully with the investigation to assess the damage done and to not speak whatsoever of any classified intelligence. Prior to his sentencing, Pollard granted an interview with Wolf Blitzer and described intelligence that he had leaked, while failing to fully cooperate with the damage assessment investigation. Meanwhile, he and his wife both failed to demonstrate any remorse and were audacious enough to claim that they had acted based on moral obligations. I would consider it the "moral obligation" of the judge to throw the book at Pollard in those circumstances.
It is disingenuous to compare Pollard's sentence to others convicted of similar crimes (single count espionage) because in the majority of cases, those defendants didn't plea down and then fail to hold up their end. Earl Pitts, Robert Hanssen, Brian Regan, and Ana Montes are but a few Americans sentenced equally or even more harshly than Pollard, who deserves every day of the 30 year sentence he got.
You are mistaken regarding the circumstances surrounding Pollard's plea deal. In exchange for drastically reduced charges and leniency for his wife, Pollard (and his wife) agreed to cooperate fully with the investigation to assess the damage done and to not speak whatsoever of any classified intelligence. Prior to his sentencing, Pollard granted an interview with Wolf Blitzer and described intelligence that he had leaked, while failing to fully cooperate with the damage assessment investigation. Meanwhile, he and his wife both failed to demonstrate any remorse and were audacious enough to claim that they had acted based on moral obligations. I would consider it the "moral obligation" of the judge to throw the book at Pollard in those circumstances.
It is disingenuous to compare Pollard's sentence to others convicted of similar crimes (single count espionage) because in the majority of cases, those defendants didn't plea down and then fail to hold up their end. Earl Pitts, Robert Hanssen, Brian Regan, and Ana Montes are but a few Americans sentenced equally or even more harshly than Pollard, who deserves every day of the 30 year sentence he got.
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"With the exception of treason charges, our criminal code makes no distinction between spying for a friend versus a foe. Nor should it. Allies can become enemies in the blink of an eye."
Which makes it all the more incongruous why we bend over backwards for Israel, both monetarily and psychologically especially as another reader has pointed out that Israel doesn't give a hoot about the USA or anybody else. It is pure phantasy that Israel is our "ally and friend".
Which makes it all the more incongruous why we bend over backwards for Israel, both monetarily and psychologically especially as another reader has pointed out that Israel doesn't give a hoot about the USA or anybody else. It is pure phantasy that Israel is our "ally and friend".
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Julius and Ethel Rosenberg didn't spend anywhere near 30 years in jail.
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I fear that Israel is suffering from the political equivalent of cabin fever. They have taken the U.S. for granted for so long as the guarantor of their safety that they seem to think there is no limit to the posturing and bravado they can get away with.
The Pollard case and the behavior that it has provoked from Israelis show that we should now think of them as spoiled children. It's high time we stopped fantasizing about Israel and started seeing them not in abstract idealized terms, but with unbiased eyes. They have squandered their gifts from the United States, and most of their opportunities to find a way to wisely structure the risks that are inescapable in their neighborhood.
Perhaps the fact that Israel has essentially maintained a war mentality even in times of relative peace has convinced them that if they just bluster hard enough, they can get whatever they want. They seem to believe that the solution to all their problems lies in refusal to accept the complexities of the world, as if limiting the options that they think about will force the outcome that they want. They lecture us about not understanding their reality, but they show no foresight for anything except the next imagined war.
20 years ago I was a strong supporter of Israel, even though it was unpopular at my university. I argued their case. Now I think that it is time to scare the hell out of them. Not letting Pollard out of the country would be a wise start to this reckoning.
The Pollard case and the behavior that it has provoked from Israelis show that we should now think of them as spoiled children. It's high time we stopped fantasizing about Israel and started seeing them not in abstract idealized terms, but with unbiased eyes. They have squandered their gifts from the United States, and most of their opportunities to find a way to wisely structure the risks that are inescapable in their neighborhood.
Perhaps the fact that Israel has essentially maintained a war mentality even in times of relative peace has convinced them that if they just bluster hard enough, they can get whatever they want. They seem to believe that the solution to all their problems lies in refusal to accept the complexities of the world, as if limiting the options that they think about will force the outcome that they want. They lecture us about not understanding their reality, but they show no foresight for anything except the next imagined war.
20 years ago I was a strong supporter of Israel, even though it was unpopular at my university. I argued their case. Now I think that it is time to scare the hell out of them. Not letting Pollard out of the country would be a wise start to this reckoning.
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I say let Israel deal with him. Do you really want him here? He is a spent cartridge. Give him to Israel with the word....enjoy.
Ronen Bergman has got it entirely wrong - Speaker Boehner will actually invite Pollard back to the US to address a Joint Session of Congress, Sheldon Adelson will make the travel arrangements, and the standing ovations will likely exceed the 29 that were accorded Netanyahu.
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Yeah, Israel is a small country ... a small country with a substantial arsenal of nuclear weapons. The ayatollahs talk a good game, but they aren't dumb enough to attack Israel. They don't want Tehran and Qum to become radioactive craters, nor do they want to fight the U.S. So this nuclear deal is good for Iran, it's good for Israel and it's good for America.
And, oh yeah, it's good for Republican presidential candidates because it gives them a way to anger and frighten their base.
And, oh yeah, it's good for Republican presidential candidates because it gives them a way to anger and frighten their base.
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Win, win all around.
Since when do traitors actually ever get out of prison? I thought they locked the door and threw away the key when it came to spying! I always thought allies were supposed to be equally beneficial to each other, but I see no advantage for the U.S. in partnership with Israel.
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Does anyone believe that the US doesn't run spies in Israel and in many allied countries? Wikileaks clearly showed that we do, and do so in much greater numbers than most of our allies. To condemn Pollard when we do the same thing is complete hypocrisy.
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He was condemned for getting caught. Had he not been caught, we never would have heard of him and for all practical purposes, the spying would never have occurred. Stupid was his crime.
Not relevant. Most allied countries that the US spies on do not recieve anything near the amount of US aid as Israel and not to mention to mention the political cover the US provides Israel. Textbook definition of chutzpah and an ingrate.
This writer is wrong in his facts. Pollard is not being released as a carrot, but because he must be released under the law, which makes parole mandatory after 30 years except if Pollard seriously misbehaved in prison, which he did not, or if he is threat to repeat, which could only be if the US rehires him, gives him security clearance, and access to government secrets (which it will not).
Mr. Jonathan Pollard was not kept in prison (not jail) because of a loud mouth nationalistic campaign. There are other reasons why he was kept and sentenced longer than any other person divulging secrets to friendly country. CIA director Woolsey gave his opinion why. Google it.
Mr. Jonathan Pollard was not kept in prison (not jail) because of a loud mouth nationalistic campaign. There are other reasons why he was kept and sentenced longer than any other person divulging secrets to friendly country. CIA director Woolsey gave his opinion why. Google it.
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If the CIA employs the same level of background checks that are currently extant for insane gun buyers, Mr Pollard can be rehired, perhaps as a senior aide to the Director. He can advise on how to spot traitors.
That aside, why is this guy still breathing? Did not a single patriot with a spare shiv pass through the prison where Pollard enjoyed "3 hots and a cot" at government expense?
That aside, why is this guy still breathing? Did not a single patriot with a spare shiv pass through the prison where Pollard enjoyed "3 hots and a cot" at government expense?
Ronen Bergman's article brings up issues that need to be addressed. Regrettably, the comments on this article all harp on Pollard. Ordinarily liberal people who would never dream for a moment that they are infected with the germ of prejudice express opinions which would cause them to demonstrate in the streets if made about any other group. What am referring to is the statement by Bergman that American Jews had difficulty obtaining security clearances because of Pollard. Is this true? If it is, and I imagine it is or the "newspaper of record" would not publish it where is he outcry? Where are the editorials and the investigative articles? Or are certain prejudices acceptable (politically correct) while others are not.
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It's true.
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Time and again Israel plays the victim card, we should all be sympathetic they say, it was only self preservation. If this were an isolated incident one could probably understand but it is not. While they see themselves as victims more often the world sees them as provocateurs pushing aggressively against friend and foe alike. Pollard was a risk, not bright enough to be discrete. Israel put aside that risk choosing to thumb their nose at the US in a game that should have been ultimately more costly for them. Their weakness in diplomatic issues makes it harder and harder for the US to defend their actions. However, if they do choose to celebrate his release that will be arrogance, not weakness. Sorry Mr. Pollard, no passport and very regular parole visits, check ins and special attention from the US Marshals.
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What Mark Thomason pointed out is the reason Pollard received such a long sentence without pardon. The Israelis used the information he gave them as a bargaining chip with the USSR, which is the reason we hadn't shard it with them in the first place. The Israelis obviously could not have cared less that our agents in the USSR were identified and executed as the direct result of their treacherous behavior.
As a jew, and a supporter of Israel, I found Pollard's behavior and the Israeli government's behavior difficult to accept. With any other country but Israel, the U.S. would have severed most of our relationship--certainly cut off all the billions in military aid--and played hardball.
The President should not permit Pollard to leave the country, as a condition of his parole, so that any attempt by him to leave would be a parole violation and subject him to being returned to prison.
If it weren't for my fear that it might put Israel at risk, I would advocate cuts in Military aid to Israel. It would be a useful stick in punishing their efforts to undermine our governmental processes. But Israel lives in a dangerous place and the luxury of such a disciplinary action is not available to us. Perhaps we can offer more food aid to people living in Gaza...
Perhaps we can deny admission to the Knesset members who come here to mess with our politics. Perhaps we can PNG a few of their diplomatic staff--especially Mossad. Certainly we need to play a little hardball.
As a jew, and a supporter of Israel, I found Pollard's behavior and the Israeli government's behavior difficult to accept. With any other country but Israel, the U.S. would have severed most of our relationship--certainly cut off all the billions in military aid--and played hardball.
The President should not permit Pollard to leave the country, as a condition of his parole, so that any attempt by him to leave would be a parole violation and subject him to being returned to prison.
If it weren't for my fear that it might put Israel at risk, I would advocate cuts in Military aid to Israel. It would be a useful stick in punishing their efforts to undermine our governmental processes. But Israel lives in a dangerous place and the luxury of such a disciplinary action is not available to us. Perhaps we can offer more food aid to people living in Gaza...
Perhaps we can deny admission to the Knesset members who come here to mess with our politics. Perhaps we can PNG a few of their diplomatic staff--especially Mossad. Certainly we need to play a little hardball.
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Nine times out of 10 I agree with the Times editorial board. This is the 10th. No where is it mentioned that the US has been caught numerous times spying in recent years on its friends. We walk away, with our hands covering our mouths like children, apologizing because we were caught but not because we were wrong in the first place, If we remain angry with Israel Mr. Pollard for an entire generation? It is because it was beyond our belief that this would happen by this tiny nation, a fellow democracy in displaying sheer chutzpah? 30 years later what have we learned from this crude independent spy situation? It serves as a foil to displace our own culpability in related situations to have a scapegoat to deflect our own inadequate security today against modern day spies who invade our national databases with high security clearances. But how much can we publicly protest beyond a week or rwo when we are financially indebted to the country whose rogue citizens may have caused this breach? Mr. Pollard's extremely long sentence wasted a good deal of his life. He was beyond foolish, vering into serious danger, to act recklessly under the guise of patrotism for Israel. Nevertheless making an example of him and finally releasing him after all this time will unlikely mitigate the concerns among Israelis over the deal with Iran.
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"Israel underestimated American anger when it hired Jonathan Pollard as a spy, and risks doing so again."
No kidding.
No kidding.
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Two instances of spies who were Jewish and were alleged to have given American secrets to a country which, at the time of the events, was an ally of the United States: in one instance, most Jewish organizations (but not most Jews!) were all for pardons. In the other instance, most Jewish organizations (but not most Jews!) were all for the harshest of penalties.
The difference in response by (usually self-anointed) Jewish organizations to Jonathan Pollard and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg is telling. The Rosenbergs who, unlike Pollard, always claimed innocence (a good bet for Ethel at least), were Leftists. Pollard, proudly traitorous, is a Rightest. And therein lies the tale of treatment disparity in all America, not just within the Jewish community.
That said, I find dubious Bergman's statement, "The Israelis who employed Mr. Pollard also failed to take into account the risk he posed to the American Jewish community, which was subsequently suspected of disloyalty." There have always been those who suspected the Jews (and others, currently Muslims) of disloyalty. For the author to make the claim that there was a noticeable increase in such suspicion, he needs to provide some evidence. I doubt that true intelligence professionals would not have looked at various fundamentalist Christians as at least as suspicious, when it came to placing Israel's (perceived) interests over America's.
As to releasing Pollard, Dylan said it best: he's only a pawn in their game.
The difference in response by (usually self-anointed) Jewish organizations to Jonathan Pollard and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg is telling. The Rosenbergs who, unlike Pollard, always claimed innocence (a good bet for Ethel at least), were Leftists. Pollard, proudly traitorous, is a Rightest. And therein lies the tale of treatment disparity in all America, not just within the Jewish community.
That said, I find dubious Bergman's statement, "The Israelis who employed Mr. Pollard also failed to take into account the risk he posed to the American Jewish community, which was subsequently suspected of disloyalty." There have always been those who suspected the Jews (and others, currently Muslims) of disloyalty. For the author to make the claim that there was a noticeable increase in such suspicion, he needs to provide some evidence. I doubt that true intelligence professionals would not have looked at various fundamentalist Christians as at least as suspicious, when it came to placing Israel's (perceived) interests over America's.
As to releasing Pollard, Dylan said it best: he's only a pawn in their game.
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During my Air Force days, I was a member of the intelligence community. I was associated with the spy satellites of the NRO (www.nro.gov) 1967-1973. At the time, this was the highest priority program of DoD. Pollard revealed our capabilities to to the Israelis who traded them to the Soviets. Pollard put his and my country at risk for whatever motives.
I strongly believe he should spend the rest of his life behind bars. I also feel that we should re-examine our relationship with our supposed "ally" Israel.
I strongly believe he should spend the rest of his life behind bars. I also feel that we should re-examine our relationship with our supposed "ally" Israel.
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I have never been able to understand the sort of personal antagonism taken against this one spy who leaked information to a friendly country. We treated spies who gave information to the USSR with less vindictiveness than against this one. What on earth could he have passed along to this friendly that could possibly justify the past thirty years?
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Yes, Pollard was a nasty traitor, his alliance with Esther Seitz does not make him any more likable, Israelis only made themselves look ridiculous by believing they can morally pressure the U.S.for his release. (I'm just puzzled why this letter is in the NY Times, when the author is addressing Israelis.)
Israeli ideas seem increasingly at odds with reality. (And the fact that Israelis view themselves as facing hard truths others dodge only exacerbates this.) Netanyahu's position against an Iran nuclear deal can only be based on the idea that the U.S. would have gone to war against Iran to eradicate its nuclear potential -- something no one sane would have believed could have been the U.S.'s first choice.
Of course, the U.S. has its delusionals, too, as we get to hear in Congressional debate on the Iran deal....
Israeli ideas seem increasingly at odds with reality. (And the fact that Israelis view themselves as facing hard truths others dodge only exacerbates this.) Netanyahu's position against an Iran nuclear deal can only be based on the idea that the U.S. would have gone to war against Iran to eradicate its nuclear potential -- something no one sane would have believed could have been the U.S.'s first choice.
Of course, the U.S. has its delusionals, too, as we get to hear in Congressional debate on the Iran deal....
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If Israelis make a public celebration of Jonathan Pollard's arrival in Israel, it will be the biggest smack in the face to the USA, and given Bibi's inclination to disparage our president and anyone who dares to raise a question about Israeli practices toward Palestinians, there have been many wallops. With friends like this....
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What a depressing case of real politik. Sad that the Obama administration can'r just simply stand by its possibly dubious decision in the Iran deal, without caving in this craven fashion to the Israelis.
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Free him and send him to Israel. Let them feed him.
Netanyahu and Co will have a celebration, for Pollard as well as the new improved weapon systems they're getting all the while claiming we're abandoning them over Iran deal.
It's time we take a hard look at our BFF status w/Israel. Why? Who says?
And then please NYT do a series on AIPAC and their influence in our political affairs.
It's time we take a hard look at our BFF status w/Israel. Why? Who says?
And then please NYT do a series on AIPAC and their influence in our political affairs.
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So the Israelis are guilty of a poor choice for a spy. And the US has never spied on its allies?
What President Obama doesn't get is that releasing Pollard as a sop for the Iran deal won't calm Israeli fears about Iran's nuclear capability, shared by all political parties in Israel, not just Netanyahu and the political right.
What President Obama doesn't get is that releasing Pollard as a sop for the Iran deal won't calm Israeli fears about Iran's nuclear capability, shared by all political parties in Israel, not just Netanyahu and the political right.
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The NY Times continues to push the narrative that we should be spending all our time worrying about what the Israelis think. Why should we? There is only one thing to think about in regard to that country's citizens, which is, why are we giving them money? They do nothing but make our lives more difficult, so why spend our own tax dollars helping them do that?
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There is some utility here. The Pollard case demonstrates a reality about Israel's idea of a relationship with the US, that would otherwise be buried in the massive propaganda machine that constantly churns out a buffed image of Israel in the US.
The least that can be taken from this is that there is no reason to believe Israel has learned a lesson here. The duplicity inherent in all the support for this traitor is impressive for it's insatiability. This needs to be kept in mind as we deal with and listen to various Israeli demands and explanations of, for instance; how they wage war on Gaza. When there is gain for Israel, there are no holds barred, quite obviously.
The least that can be taken from this is that there is no reason to believe Israel has learned a lesson here. The duplicity inherent in all the support for this traitor is impressive for it's insatiability. This needs to be kept in mind as we deal with and listen to various Israeli demands and explanations of, for instance; how they wage war on Gaza. When there is gain for Israel, there are no holds barred, quite obviously.
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Now that countries know that they can get their spies out of American prison with a little bit of whining and a little bit of lobbying, we can expect many more spies entering our borders and compromising our security.
Scholars agree- Pollard is the spy that caused the most damage to American national security in history. Setting him loose sets a terrible precedent. He should serve every last day of that sentence to pay for the deaths of all those American agents killed.
"Special relationship" indeed.
Scholars agree- Pollard is the spy that caused the most damage to American national security in history. Setting him loose sets a terrible precedent. He should serve every last day of that sentence to pay for the deaths of all those American agents killed.
"Special relationship" indeed.
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As an Israeli, I've always had very little, or more precisely no sympathy for Jonathan Pollard. He was never motivated by "ideology". It was simple greed, to wit, he tried selling information to other bodies, which recognized immediately his questionable character. So his actions were never out of love for Israel. Only later - and thus making matters worse - was this nefarious affair dressed up in so-called ulterior motives, to Israel's great detriment.
The above notwithstanding, by comparison to many other and much more pernicious spies caught in the US, the American justice system has been especially vindictive against Pollard. Many who were meted out similar punishments were released after serving a much shorter sentence.
The man has served his time. Now it's time to let go.
The above notwithstanding, by comparison to many other and much more pernicious spies caught in the US, the American justice system has been especially vindictive against Pollard. Many who were meted out similar punishments were released after serving a much shorter sentence.
The man has served his time. Now it's time to let go.
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This editorial is peculiar. I'm simply unsure of what points you're really trying to drive home. You mention Mr. Pollard's second wife and her extremist views. You say she hired a lawyer who had also been involved in the defense of the man who murdered Rabin. What does that point prove? John Adams defended British soldiers who were accused of murdering innocent Bostonians because he believed that every man deserved a proper defense regardless of the crime. How does citing the fact that she hired this lawyer to defend her husband prove that Israelis are tone-deaf to American values? I'm not suggesting that I do not agree that they are (because I think in many respects the claim is quite true) but the arguments you put forward don't move me in the least. Pollard committed terrible crimes against this country. He deserved to be punished. It is intolerable that the Israeli government wouldn't show genuine acts of contrition due to their involvement. Suggesting that the Iran deal will become more palatable because of his release is outrageously silly, as though letting him out of prison might compensate for what Israelis view as a most serious threat to their safety coming from Iran. I just don't understand the hypotheses of this editorial at all and find the arguments posited in support of the conclusions sorely lacking.
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The more one reads about Saudi Arabia and Israel, the more one thinks that America's East of Suez moment is approaching.
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Mr. Bergman is right that Israel is unforgiving toward those perceived to compromise their security. Witness the case of Mordechai Vanunu, who spent eighteen years in prison for revealing Israel's nuclear weapons program, whose freedom of movement and association is still restricted, and who is not allowed to leave Israel, even years after his release from prison.
Mr. Pollard shouldn't be allowed to leave the U.S. until Mr. Vanunu is allowed to leave Israel.
Mr. Pollard shouldn't be allowed to leave the U.S. until Mr. Vanunu is allowed to leave Israel.
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Yes, Pollard spied, as many others have done. It amazes me that neither the author of this article nor anyone else at the NYT seems to be asking whether it was just that he should spend 30 years in prison for this crime. This seems rather excessive, no?
What Israelis--and other foreigners--don't get about the US is why American prison sentences are so egregiously long. The extreme punitiveness of American criminal justice is very difficult to reconcile with any of the liberal values or respect for human dignity the US professes to espouse.
What Israelis--and other foreigners--don't get about the US is why American prison sentences are so egregiously long. The extreme punitiveness of American criminal justice is very difficult to reconcile with any of the liberal values or respect for human dignity the US professes to espouse.
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NO, it does not seem excessive. He betrayed my nation. He is lucky to be alive.
I wouldn't call Pollard "lucky." To send someone to prison for 30 years is an inhuman punishment, just like the death penalty, which the US also practices.
In Canada and most other modern democracies, only someone convicted of multiple murders and deemed a danger to public safety would be likely to spend so much time in prison. Pollard is clearly not in that category.
Everyone agrees that the US has the right to punish Pollard for breaking its laws, but extreme methods of punishment do not make the US government look good.
In Canada and most other modern democracies, only someone convicted of multiple murders and deemed a danger to public safety would be likely to spend so much time in prison. Pollard is clearly not in that category.
Everyone agrees that the US has the right to punish Pollard for breaking its laws, but extreme methods of punishment do not make the US government look good.
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Israeli's, lulled by their lobbying influence in Congress, just take America way too much for granted.
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Why is the US cowtowing to Israel yet again? They attacked our ships. Staged terrorist attacks against us. Won't agree to any non-proliferation treaty. Continue the saber-rattling, and the mistreatment of Palestinians only because the US will unfailingly prop them up. Stop sending aid to Israel.
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"Staged terrorist attacks against us?"
"Ships," "ships" did you say?
The Liberty is not "ships."
It was not a fleet.
It was a ship that was loaded with electronic surveillance equipment spying on Israel during their war with Egypt and feeding their enemy with information.
They did be grateful Israel didn't sink the "ships."
The Liberty is not "ships."
It was not a fleet.
It was a ship that was loaded with electronic surveillance equipment spying on Israel during their war with Egypt and feeding their enemy with information.
They did be grateful Israel didn't sink the "ships."
To QUERY: For a moment, set aside the discussion about Pollard and take a look at the first sentence you wrote. Don't change any wording EXCEPT substitute the U.S. for Israel: "Only the cluelessly self involved fail to see [the U.S.] is just another nation pursuing its self interests by lying and cheating." Either you are clueless yourself, or you are a proponent of "America right or wrong." Neither option is one an objective person would want attached to their name.
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It's a good thing that the US never spied on their closest allies ...
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Well sure, Ronen. Imagine what Angela Merkel, Francois Hollande and Brazil's Dilma Rousseff feel discovering via Edward Snowden that the US has been spying on them for years -- and no one is vowing to wipe the US off the map (not counting the weekly "Death to America" rallies in Iran).
And considering that every time Israel has relinquished territory to the Palestinians, all it gets is more adamant demands, terror, dysfunctionality, indoctrination that Israel will still one day be destroyed and continued delegitimization campaigns. Yet the US demands that Israel keep doing the same. Maybe the US government doesn't quite get Israel, either?
And considering that every time Israel has relinquished territory to the Palestinians, all it gets is more adamant demands, terror, dysfunctionality, indoctrination that Israel will still one day be destroyed and continued delegitimization campaigns. Yet the US demands that Israel keep doing the same. Maybe the US government doesn't quite get Israel, either?
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I wonder if this spy, Pollard, would get the same sentence in today's political climate, where the US congress is in the pocket of the Israeli Prime Minister.
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Why is Israel even considered an ally? We are constantly told that they are out greatest ally, but I still don't see what they provide in return for all the financial and military support we give them. Between the Pollard case and the USS Liberty, I can easily think of far greater allies. The United States needs to divorce itself of this burdensome and toxic relationship. Besides, why are we supporting a non-secular nation in the first place.
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First of all, Israel is no more a religious state than England where the Queen the Head of State is Head of the Church, and its democracy is vibrant as demonstrated by a Muslim on its Supreme Court and countless of Muslims Druzes in its arm forces and many Arab members of its parliament. With respect to spying, go ask France, Germany and others if they were not spied as revealed by E. Snowden by the Americans... As to Pollard being released, he would have been released no matter what since under the law at the time a life sentence results in an automatic parole after 30 years if there is no history of trouble from the prisoner. What is particularly disturbing if anything is the fact that this prisoner was made to plea bargain and the terms of the plea bargain were not respected. If people were not so obsessed with Israel, this case would have been handled like similar cases and Pollard would have not spent more than 10 years in jail. The reference to the USS Liberty and mixing an incident demonstrated as an error shows your obsessions, it is true that the USS Liberty incident has all its obsessed group among neo-nazis and the kind of David Duke and mixing it with the Pollard affair is a demonstration of your unhealthy obsession.
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Mr. Pollard should serve his full time, which would likely mean his death in prison. Obama is being blackmailed by the Jewish lobby.
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Anyone who thinks Jonathan Pollard has been treated unjustly should ask themselves whether Israel's right wing isn't responsible. I'm not persuaded that Israelis "don't get" the United States. Israel's right wing gets it; they just don't like it. They never like it when America doesn't simply roll over and beg for their approval. Jonathan Pollard got 30 years, and he served 30 years. That should tell Israelis all they need to know about how much political goodwill the tone-deaf actions of his supporters -- from his wife, Esther Seitz, to Prime Minister Benjamin "My-Way-or-the-Highway" Netanyahu -- has cost them. By continuing to interfere in the internal affairs of the only nation that will give him the right time, it is only a matter of time before Israel's extremists yank on Uncle Sam's beard once to often.
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Releasing Pollard is a slap in the face to all who honor the trust granted by their country to safeguard national security, and especially those in the military and intelligence communities who risk their lives, depending on the reliability of those with security clearances to work for only one team. I'm appalled at the Obama administration for allowing this to happen. Life for a traitor who committed treason means, or should, mean life. Regardless of who they spied for.
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It always amazes me at how out of touch with the average American the Israeli establishment has become- and this includes the US based wing of the Israeli lobby. Spying is only one facet of the relentless campaign by Israel to get what they want and only what they want, at the expense of everyone else. Interfering in domestic elections, using money and influence to buy politicians and intimidate those that won't be bought, and treating the lawfully elected President and Vice President with contempt. It is remarkable that the vaunted spies in the Mossad have no clue about what is right in front of them. Good will and a "special relationship" is a two way street, not a gold mine to be plundered. When the day comes that the Republicans have no more political use for Israel, and the demographics of America relentlessly turn away from the European past, Israel will find that they have thrown away a valuable partner for cheap gains. Just exactly who will they turn to in that case? They will be alone, and that's a bad place to be in the coming world.
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Such a deal I've got for you! Offer the Israelis and exchange between Jonathan Pollard (who offered his information for money to FOUR OTHER COUNTRIES before he offered to Israel), and Mordecai Vanunu, the Israeli nuclear worker who divulged their secret clandestine nuclear program and was kidnapped back to Israel from London via a 'honey trap'. When you talk about Israel and Pollard, we are dealing with hypocrisy and duplicity from 'our best friends' of the highest order. The Israelis took the codes which Pollard gave them (so many they were burning high speed copy machines night and day!), and gave them to the Russians so that more Russian Jews could be released to migrate to Israel and kick native Palestinians off their land. Let Obama keep Pollard in the US for his 5 years so every American can show him and his wife what they really think of him.
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At this point, Pollard is incapable of doing any harm, so there's no point in keeping him in prison. But he should be released only if he renounces his US citizenship, leaves the country and is never allowed to return.
2
The smart tail will wag the dog without the dog knowing, or the dog will eventually get smart.
3
There's a important omission or obfuscation: "Mr. Pollard acted irresponsibly, stealing suitcases full of naval intelligence documents indiscriminately, some of which didn’t pertain to Israel."
The documents not pertaining to Israel were of interest to the USSR, and US intelligence believes they were stolen in order to be traded with the Soviets in return for immigration, particularly of people skilled in nuclear weaponry.
The documents not pertaining to Israel were of interest to the USSR, and US intelligence believes they were stolen in order to be traded with the Soviets in return for immigration, particularly of people skilled in nuclear weaponry.
7
What exactly is it about the United States that Israel fails to understand? I think they have got it down pat. Both governments are narcissistic and corrupt, ruthlessly pursuing an unwavering pattern of self interest. Have you forgotten the Wikki Leaks that revealed that then Secretary of State Hillary Clinton ordered all our foreign ambassadors to spy on their host countries?
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Israel spies on the U.S. more aggressively than any country but China. And their espionage goes far beyond national security intelligence: they are stealing information from the private sector like trade secrets and product designs too.
Worse, Israel assumes they can get away with this, because anytime they get in trouble, their connections in Congress will bail them out.
And worst of all, this spying comes on top of the $3 billion in military aid Israel gets from us every year for free (over 1% of their GDP!).
So while Pollard may have gotten the interest of the media, don't forget that he was a very small drop in a very large bucket.
Worse, Israel assumes they can get away with this, because anytime they get in trouble, their connections in Congress will bail them out.
And worst of all, this spying comes on top of the $3 billion in military aid Israel gets from us every year for free (over 1% of their GDP!).
So while Pollard may have gotten the interest of the media, don't forget that he was a very small drop in a very large bucket.
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China—and the U.S.—spy for security concerns.
Israel spies for its survival.
Israel spies for its survival.
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Israelis expect the world to "understand" their positions on just about everything and nod approval. They may not "get" Americans but they don't "get" their neighbors either. But we can't be too infuriated or smug after all thanks to Edward Snowden we have learned how the NSA has spied on many Americans as well as leaders of friendly allies who are just as furious. Pot meet kettle.
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Israel thumbed their noses at the United States by spying, by making Pollard into some kind of hero, by sending officials to visit him in prison, by making a cause celebre out of him and using his case as a propaganda tool against the United States. Okay, what more do we need? A big celebration in Israel if he returns! That ought to do it.
The idea of treating a spy as a hero makes me think of the reception given to spies for Cuba or Russia when they returned. Sickening. I could see it, sort of, if we were an enemy of Israel, but to treat their biggest, most consistent supporters in this manner is ridiculous and insulting.
The Israelis think they can get away with anything and we will just have to put up with it because we are committed (overly) to their survival. No relationship, except that involving our own well being and survival, should be beyond question or change. Pollard seems like nothing more than a creep who took money for passing secrets. He should live out his life trying to hide from his infamous past, not as some sort of phony hero.
The idea of treating a spy as a hero makes me think of the reception given to spies for Cuba or Russia when they returned. Sickening. I could see it, sort of, if we were an enemy of Israel, but to treat their biggest, most consistent supporters in this manner is ridiculous and insulting.
The Israelis think they can get away with anything and we will just have to put up with it because we are committed (overly) to their survival. No relationship, except that involving our own well being and survival, should be beyond question or change. Pollard seems like nothing more than a creep who took money for passing secrets. He should live out his life trying to hide from his infamous past, not as some sort of phony hero.
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Frankly, I think the sudden and odd timing of Pollard’s release (after congress decides on the Iran Deal) seems more than a little suspicious. If Pollard was released to assuage the Israelis over the Iran deal this will fall on deaf ears.
If the US knows for a fact that the stuff Pollard stole went to the Russians (at the time Soviets) I too would object to his release. Otherwise this was about Israel getting information that it needed much the same as the US gets it.
My understanding is that countries spy on enemies as well as friends. Didn't we just spy on Germany and France. I am pretty sure we have our "friends" in Israel as well. They might even be Americans, OMG now Israel should not trust Americans who immigrate to Israel?
Yes, there is a reflexive ancient notion that Jews have a dual allegiance after all there is always the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to refer as a reference guide. Should we similarly not hire Muslims? You know there is a possibility….
If the US knows for a fact that the stuff Pollard stole went to the Russians (at the time Soviets) I too would object to his release. Otherwise this was about Israel getting information that it needed much the same as the US gets it.
My understanding is that countries spy on enemies as well as friends. Didn't we just spy on Germany and France. I am pretty sure we have our "friends" in Israel as well. They might even be Americans, OMG now Israel should not trust Americans who immigrate to Israel?
Yes, there is a reflexive ancient notion that Jews have a dual allegiance after all there is always the Protocols of the Elders of Zion to refer as a reference guide. Should we similarly not hire Muslims? You know there is a possibility….
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It's a simple fact: he is an American and he is a traitor. Whether it's the decks of the Liberty or the halls of the NSA, Mr. Pollard is a traitor. There is no end of this for him.
2
Pollard is a traitor, but other traitors, who spied for the Soviet union, for example, did not get such a harsh sentence. No surprise that many Israelis, including myself believe that he was punished because he was spying for Israel. If any reader thinks that US is not spying on allies, just ask Angela Dorothea Merkel, The German Chancellor. In fact the big black box on the roof of the US embassy in Tel-Aviv is a sophisticated spying system. This is why Netanyahu does not use a cell phone. The hypocrisy in this article is mind boggling.
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Indeed Mr. Bergman seems to be correct or to phrase it in a different manner: "What we've got here is failure to communicate" (Cool Hand Luke).
Most Israelis are indeed clueless as to America and consider it just as one large shopping center (which in many ways it is). They have no idea how the US works, or its people, of various types and persuasions, think or what they think and why. Chalk up one more success to the Israeli educational system. Amazingly, in spite of the the US TV and movies here, bottom line, most Israelis prefer their mediocre TV or media in Hebrew. Natural, English is after all a foreign language.
However, it truly is a lack of communication as most Americans, and that includes a good part of the US Jewish community as well as the government are indeed clueless as to what Israelis are and think and what makes them tick. There are, if I remember correctly, some 40 climate belts in Israel, such a small country. This is just indicative of the complexity of Israeli society and I have yet to see this portrayed anywhere in American publications, including the NYT.
As for Jonathan Pollard, stupidity to begin with, and inexcusable for doing it and worse for getting caught (everybody spies on everybody), but Israel does not desert or abandon its soldiers on the battle field, even if they are bad soldiers. In Israel "I have your back" actually means just that.
Most Israelis are indeed clueless as to America and consider it just as one large shopping center (which in many ways it is). They have no idea how the US works, or its people, of various types and persuasions, think or what they think and why. Chalk up one more success to the Israeli educational system. Amazingly, in spite of the the US TV and movies here, bottom line, most Israelis prefer their mediocre TV or media in Hebrew. Natural, English is after all a foreign language.
However, it truly is a lack of communication as most Americans, and that includes a good part of the US Jewish community as well as the government are indeed clueless as to what Israelis are and think and what makes them tick. There are, if I remember correctly, some 40 climate belts in Israel, such a small country. This is just indicative of the complexity of Israeli society and I have yet to see this portrayed anywhere in American publications, including the NYT.
As for Jonathan Pollard, stupidity to begin with, and inexcusable for doing it and worse for getting caught (everybody spies on everybody), but Israel does not desert or abandon its soldiers on the battle field, even if they are bad soldiers. In Israel "I have your back" actually means just that.
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I fail to see an essential difference between Pollard and Sheldon Adelson. Both have abandoned their country in favor of Israel.
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Eject this Traitor from American soil. Have him surrender his U.S Citizenship and deport him to Israeli. We deported Lucky Luciano to Italy he was a criminal not a traitor. This guy is a leper who smelt money for himself and gold digging wife.
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Pollard was the tip of a very large iceberg, most of which still remains submerged.
What else was Rafi "the Smelly" Eitan "unable to resist"?
Is it true that he smuggled enough fissile uranium out of the NUMEC facility (with the help of sayanim Zalman Shapiro, who still lives in happy retirement near Pittsburgh) to make a dozen nuclear weapons?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair
How is it that Israel thinks it has a reliable nuclear arsenal when it has conducted, at most, one test? The U.S. required about 1000 live tests to be sure its designs work; the Russkies, nearly 2000. All the other weapons states have at least dozens.
Could it be that Israel's designs had already been proven by someone else's testing? I'm pretty sure it wasn't Russia's.
What else was Rafi "the Smelly" Eitan "unable to resist"?
Is it true that he smuggled enough fissile uranium out of the NUMEC facility (with the help of sayanim Zalman Shapiro, who still lives in happy retirement near Pittsburgh) to make a dozen nuclear weapons?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Apollo_Affair
How is it that Israel thinks it has a reliable nuclear arsenal when it has conducted, at most, one test? The U.S. required about 1000 live tests to be sure its designs work; the Russkies, nearly 2000. All the other weapons states have at least dozens.
Could it be that Israel's designs had already been proven by someone else's testing? I'm pretty sure it wasn't Russia's.
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The hypocrisy of freeing Pollard, who spied for money, when the USA refuses to consider pardoning Edward Snowden, who risked everything to try to awaken the conscience of the world, is too staggering for further comment, except to say that all people with any conscience whatsoever should be outraged.
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I don't agree that Snowden is a hero at all. And I'm a liberal. I do think he is a traitor.
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This is one of the very few things I've ever read about Pollard over the past 30 years that actually makes sense. One can only hope that Israelis will listen to Mr. Bergman's wise advice. Making a hero of Pollard in Israel will be a major mistake, especially at a time when many Americans question why our Congress, on both sides of the aisle, seems to be in thrall to a foreign power.
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Wow, an Israeli with a lick of sense.
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What would happen if the Egyptians stole military secrets? Would they continue to receive billions of dollars in military aid and more importantly the undying, unflinching, and blind support of congress? No, absolutely not. This sort of treasonous deception would be met with brisk, unyielding measures. No aid. No diplomacy. No mercy. I wonder what else the Israelis have stolen from America? What other treasonous acts have they gotten away with in the last 30 years? They clearly never learned their lesson. Why would they stop?
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You are either horribly naive or biased against Israel and Jews. Do you really think that Egypt and other Arab nations, as well as Russia, China, and even "friendly" nations, aren't spying on us? W're spying on them, as well.
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Once again, unfounded accusations of mythological proportions.
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"When Mr. Pollard is released in November, it will set off rejoicing in Israel."
Which will be reminiscent of the release of the Locharbie bomber to Libya.
Which will be reminiscent of the release of the Locharbie bomber to Libya.
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LIBYA was our enemy . I believe Israel is an enemy also .
"Americans see Mr. Pollard as a traitor of the worst kind."
I don't think so and wonder how the author came to this characterization. No, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were 'worse' and suffered the death penalty for their betrayal to the Soviets.
We Americans can, and sometimes do, distinguish between enemies who are prepared to strike us and friends who merely betray our trust.
I don't think so and wonder how the author came to this characterization. No, Ethel and Julius Rosenberg were 'worse' and suffered the death penalty for their betrayal to the Soviets.
We Americans can, and sometimes do, distinguish between enemies who are prepared to strike us and friends who merely betray our trust.
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Friend ? What friend ?
A perceptive piece; Pollard's release and inevitable "hero's welcome" will harden the hearts of more than a few americans. Israel can have this worthless creep- although I'd prefer throwing him to ISIS. I, for one, will take the rejoicing in the same spirit as 'death to america' day in iran, or the welcome of the lockerbie bomber home to libya. Support for Israel is merely an expensive hobby that brings the US little benefit beyond access to "holy land" tours.
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Oh Israelis get America. They truly believe they are the chosen people and they are better then everyone else. They understand our political system is based on pure greed and money and they have exploited us for decades. The neocons manipulated Bush and cost my country trillions and thousands of lives. Now they want to convince the simpletons in my country to go to war again. They are not our friends, they maybe our biggest enemy. Someone convince me that I'm wrong.
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Gosh, that's not anti-Semitic at all. "Chosen" is a religiou concept, which by the way, doe 't mean what you think it does, evidently.
Pollard is contemptible and the whole issue is a disgrace, but bear inmind that nations don't have friends; they have interests.
Pollard is contemptible and the whole issue is a disgrace, but bear inmind that nations don't have friends; they have interests.
Pollard should not be allowed to emigrate to Israel. Let him stay in the U.S., meet with his parole officer, maybe wear an ankle bracelet so the government can keep track of his whereabouts.
Send him to Israel and the Israelis will give him a big parade in Tel Aviv with Pollard and Netanyahu in the first limo, waving to the adoring crowds.
Pollard is a traitor. Make him stay here and go through lots of "checkpoints". He ought to be grateful he is alive.
Send him to Israel and the Israelis will give him a big parade in Tel Aviv with Pollard and Netanyahu in the first limo, waving to the adoring crowds.
Pollard is a traitor. Make him stay here and go through lots of "checkpoints". He ought to be grateful he is alive.
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I would like to think that it matters that Israel has so mistreated and disrespected the US. But where is the evidence that Israel ever has to face the consequences of its disrespect for the US? When Netanyahu went to the US and basically campaigned for Mitt Romney, there were no consequences. When Netanyahu came back to the US and spoke before Congress to attack President Obama's diplomacy, and did so with the collusion of the Republicans and the Israeli ambassador, a former Republican operative, there were also no consequences. Instead, Obama has had to suck up insult after insult from Israel, when he is not plying Israel with even more weapons and basically enabling its continuing brutal occupation of Palestinian land. Let's face it: Israel can do whatever it wants to the US and the US will simply sit there and take it. The Obama initiative on Iran is the one example where the US is actually doing what is in its interest re: Israel and Obama is expending enormous political capital to overcome the influence of the Israel lobby in order to do what is best for the US - a remarkable situation for the US President to face. There will be no peace for the Palestinians simply because Obama cannot afford to seriously offend and go against Israel's wishes in any substantive way more than once. Israel is simply far too influential in US politics, to the detriment of everyone involved.
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Thank you for this. Reading it may prove distance and even cold winters keeps heads uncluttered and focused. I've read no better summary in the long growing of comments read so far.
Pollard is a traitor and Israel proved untrustworthy as a friend or ally. Why we release the spy and continue to give money to Israel is truly unfathomable.
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I do not think Pollard is any worse than many of our politicians who are owned by the pro-Israeli lobby. Also, Pollard is being used as a scapegoat. If the US really cared; the US should have punished Israel for the spying. Instead we send them billions of dollars every year. It is very hypercritical to keep Pollard in jail, but to send his bosses billions of dollars.
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"For years afterward, the Pollard affair made it difficult for Jews in the United States government to get security clearances for sensitive jobs."
Query: can the author, or any one reading these lines, confirm or document this assertion?
Thanks.
Query: can the author, or any one reading these lines, confirm or document this assertion?
Thanks.
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About time that this man is viewed for what he is: a traitor. This man is an outrage and I have no respect for Israel's foreign machinations because of it. It should stop trying to run US foreign policy. Israel has flagrantly ignored US policy in regard to illegal homesteading in Palestinian territory for 30 plus years to this very day. They throw it in our face and then beg for foreign aid while they treat this traitor as a hero. I say ratify that Iran treaty immediately, yesterday and put these bleating sheep out to pasture.
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As a Jewish American I have had a problem all these years with Pollard. There had to be a good reason why every President, Republican and Democrat, for the past thirty years, refused to release him. I have absolutely no pity for him and believe he got what he deserved.
Pollard claimed that the United States was denying Israel valuable information it needed for its security but if every U.S. employee working for an intelligence agency decided on their own what some other country had a right to see U.S. intelligence would be badly compromised. Simply put, Pollard may have felt Israel was entitled to see certain data but it was not his decision to make.
I also understand that America's intelligence agencies spy on our allies such as Britain, France, Germany, and Israel every day. However, as much as that happens as a standard practice, a U.S. citizen working for an American intelligence agency or any branch of the U.S. government has absolutely no right to determine on their own what another nation is entitled to see.
My grandparents came to America from Austria and Russia fleeing persecution and anti-semitism. It was America that helped them put a roof over their heads, food on the table, clothe and feed their children and provide them (my parents) with a good education. I understand all the arguments people have made on Pollard's behalf but it still is unconscionable to do what he did and I do not feel any sadness at the price he had to pay for what he chose to do.
Pollard claimed that the United States was denying Israel valuable information it needed for its security but if every U.S. employee working for an intelligence agency decided on their own what some other country had a right to see U.S. intelligence would be badly compromised. Simply put, Pollard may have felt Israel was entitled to see certain data but it was not his decision to make.
I also understand that America's intelligence agencies spy on our allies such as Britain, France, Germany, and Israel every day. However, as much as that happens as a standard practice, a U.S. citizen working for an American intelligence agency or any branch of the U.S. government has absolutely no right to determine on their own what another nation is entitled to see.
My grandparents came to America from Austria and Russia fleeing persecution and anti-semitism. It was America that helped them put a roof over their heads, food on the table, clothe and feed their children and provide them (my parents) with a good education. I understand all the arguments people have made on Pollard's behalf but it still is unconscionable to do what he did and I do not feel any sadness at the price he had to pay for what he chose to do.
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Releasing Pollard will not make an Iran deal more acceptable to Israel. However, if Pollard is allowed to move to Israel, he will get a hero's welcome. That will be embarrassing to Israel's friends in Congress and might make it easier to get the Iran deal accepted in this country. Very shrewd, Mr. President.
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Pollard is an Israeli citizen now. Obama should demand Israel hand over the two thugs who beat up the American teenager in Jerusalem and the man who murdered Rachel Corrie with the bulldozer if Pollard wishes to visit Israel. Also, just to make a point, make it clear his parole will be lifted if he goes into any of the occupied territories, the West Bank, Jerusalem, or the Golan Heights.
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"They also claim that Mr. Pollard has been imprisoned “six times longer” than any other spy – proof of anti-Semitism, in their eyes." I know of one guy, 82 years old who has been in longer than Pollard. I think the damage he did to American security was a lot less than Pollard. Too bad he does not have a nuclear armed country working for him.
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Mr. Bergman says that "there must be a responsible adult in Israel who understands how turning a spy into a returning hero will be interpreted in Washington" (and by Americans in general I would add). Unfortunately there don't seem to be any of those left in the Israeli government and very few among the Jewish politicians and electorate. They almost all seem to have succumbed to the idea that Israel can do no wrong and that any disagreement from outside stems from antisemitism and is therefor ipso facto illegitimate. This paranoid attitude of projecting their rage on the rest of the world creates a self-fulfilling prophecy of doom, but in a kind of mass hysteria they have gone over the line into collective delusion and won't come back unless they are forced to. The only peaceful solution I can see is BDS.
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It is baffling that Israel (or certain Israelis) would try to get Pollard released by claiming he is being held "six times longer than other spies." There is no standard jail time for spies -- spies do not usually service transparent sentences -- there are no good statistics for this. In fact, spies who are traitors like Jonathan Pollard could be executed for treason -- and he is lucky that he was not. Israel should apologize in this instance -- not demand -- because their use of Pollard was in itself a betrayal of an ally and a disrespectful act.
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Understanding one's own country, never mind another country, is sufficiently challenging for most people.
Pollard's espionage case background, described in this piece, re enforces a long held perception of American Jews. That is, their loyalty to Israel comes first. Accurately or not, Israel's fierce opposition to the Iranian nuclear accord validates the loyalty question.
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One could be more catholic than the Pope and denounce Israel's attempt to spy on the US, as its closest protector. But, there were recent revelations of the US spying on France and Germany. In the world of international espionage there are no good manners or tactful behavior. However, Pollard, a native born US citizen, was judged to be a traitor. He did not share the fate of the Rosenbergs, but was sentenced to life imprisonment. Now, why has the Obama administration, so naive in international affairs, decide to pardon Pollard? Are there more deals in the works of lesser known spies?
There is no "Pardon"!
What was the actual harm done to the Unite States?
Was the life or health of any U.S. citizen endangered? Was our economy threatened? Was our national security threatened?
On the other hand, what benefit did Israel receive from the information Mr.Pollard obtained?
I would like to the NY Times to use its resources to answer these questions.
Was the life or health of any U.S. citizen endangered? Was our economy threatened? Was our national security threatened?
On the other hand, what benefit did Israel receive from the information Mr.Pollard obtained?
I would like to the NY Times to use its resources to answer these questions.
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Why don't you use your resources and look up the case?
Start here:
"Traitor: The Case Against Jonathan Pollard" by Seymour Hersch, from the New Yorker.
https://cryptome.org/jya/traitor.htm
Start here:
"Traitor: The Case Against Jonathan Pollard" by Seymour Hersch, from the New Yorker.
https://cryptome.org/jya/traitor.htm
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try making that argument if you are arrested for breaking into someone's house, but didn't hurt anything inside of it. in any case, thiefs don't get to determine which classified docements are ok to pass along to foreign countries.
Do some more reading, don't be so lazy and glib. He sold baskets full of information to Isreal. Sold as in for money. This is your hero?
Pollard betrayed his country and should have stayed in prison. He certainly should not be allowed to leave the US.
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Pollard should not have been considered for Parole, until at least 40-years.
As others suggest, he was a TRAITOR, and that should have been sufficient for the parole board to have rejected hearing clemency & parole.
He's responsible for the death of several person, whether they were enemies of Israel or not, their death is on HIS head, but he has no remorse, nor to the Israelis who supported his release for several decades.
The author's contention he Israeli don't get it - is right!
As others suggest, he was a TRAITOR, and that should have been sufficient for the parole board to have rejected hearing clemency & parole.
He's responsible for the death of several person, whether they were enemies of Israel or not, their death is on HIS head, but he has no remorse, nor to the Israelis who supported his release for several decades.
The author's contention he Israeli don't get it - is right!
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"Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort. No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court."
--U.S. Constitution, Article 3, Section 3
Pollard is guilty of espionage under the 1917 Espionage Act, but not treason.
The United States has never been in a state of war with Israel, despite the fact that both nations spy on each other. Pollard's crimes do not meet the criteria for treason, as set forth in Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution.
--U.S. Constitution, Article 3, Section 3
Pollard is guilty of espionage under the 1917 Espionage Act, but not treason.
The United States has never been in a state of war with Israel, despite the fact that both nations spy on each other. Pollard's crimes do not meet the criteria for treason, as set forth in Article 3, Section 3 of the Constitution.
Americans also, it would appear, are totally in the dark about the importance of Israeli sensitivities. Why should Americans care in the least what Israelis think about our lessening of tensions with Iran? For what are we dependent on Israel that their displeasure might deny us?
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As the old adage goes: American foreign policy is made in Tel Aviv.
And yet, for the esteem which Netanyahu seems to hold Mossad, he has spent years refuting the assessments of Meir Dagan and Gabi Ashkenazi that Iran is not an immediate threat to Israel and that a military path would be disastrous. What good are your best intelligence officers when their findings are not politically expedient?
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Pollard spied on the US and his actions gave ammunition to those who call into question the loyalty of American Jews. But, it is a cause for concern that the US was not sharing the information on the middle east with Israel in the first place. In fact the US was favoring an enemy of Israel. Why was this so if Israel is our only ally in the middle east which is actually a democracy? Frankly, there are those at State or even DOD which would be just fine with Israel not existing. Even today we are becoming buddies with Iran and Israel with be the victim of this. But, to put this in perspective we were caught yet again spying on our allies. We listened to the tel cons of the French President and the Germans and the French. Maybe we should not be so holier than though about this. But, life in prison for giving our allies info that helps them seems extreme.
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"there are those at State or even DOD which would be just fine with Israel not existing."
liar liar pants on fire
liar liar pants on fire
The US is under absolutely no obligation to share every and any thing with Israel. The key intelligence obligations of the US is to its own citizens, not to any foreign power, no matter how friendly. Pollard is a traitor who committed illegal acts. He's getting more lightly than others in similar situations.
guess what? israel doesn't need to factor into our foreign policy decisions. we get to do what is in our own best interests.
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THIS is an Inflammatory Rhetoric after ALL the US has done to "Negotiate A Brilliant Agreement With Iran" so to save Israel from itself: "They also understand that there would be no better move than freeing Mr. Pollard to sweeten the "bitter pill" of the Iran deal that Israelis are being asked to swallow"!??
AS I was reading the comments on Mr. Pollard of an earlier article in NY Times today, some are "Strongly" suggesting that Mr. Pollard's "Spying" resulted in US Agents being Murdered or Executed by the Soviets et al and that "Israel Actually Sold US Secrets For Cash or In-Kind Considerations to the Communists".
IF True, this is "Absolutely Outrageous" and a "Public Inquiry" is in order so to seek Justice for the Families, Widows and Orphans of the "US Citizens Who Lost Their Lives In The Line Of Duty Serving Their Country".
THE Public Inquiry should include not only Mr. Pollard himself, but all those involved in the Food-chain in the US and Israel alike.
AS I was reading the comments on Mr. Pollard of an earlier article in NY Times today, some are "Strongly" suggesting that Mr. Pollard's "Spying" resulted in US Agents being Murdered or Executed by the Soviets et al and that "Israel Actually Sold US Secrets For Cash or In-Kind Considerations to the Communists".
IF True, this is "Absolutely Outrageous" and a "Public Inquiry" is in order so to seek Justice for the Families, Widows and Orphans of the "US Citizens Who Lost Their Lives In The Line Of Duty Serving Their Country".
THE Public Inquiry should include not only Mr. Pollard himself, but all those involved in the Food-chain in the US and Israel alike.
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With the arrogance of conquerors, Israel spies on the US, undermines our president, lies about its intentions to accept a two state solution, and insists on ownership of American foreign policy.
We've seen this kind of mentality in the USA too, the mission accomplished--ers, the Rumsfelds. It is bad for Israel and bad for the United States.
Obama did good.
We've seen this kind of mentality in the USA too, the mission accomplished--ers, the Rumsfelds. It is bad for Israel and bad for the United States.
Obama did good.
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Not to denigrate Pollard's crimes, but have the Palestinians ever expressed an intent to accept a two state solution? The founding documents of both the P.L.O. and Hamas argue to the contrary. For example, Article 13 of the Hamas Covenant unequivocally rejects all forms of non-violent conflict resolution in favor of perpetual war against Israel. Read the entire text of the Hamas Covenant at: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp
Despite Pollard's blundering as an intelligence agent on behalf of Israel, Israel still has legitimate defense concerns versus the Palestinians.
Despite Pollard's blundering as an intelligence agent on behalf of Israel, Israel still has legitimate defense concerns versus the Palestinians.
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israeli and American policy, which gave the green light to Sharon to destroy Arafat, led to the rise of Hamas, so citing Hamas' truculence does not answer to the issue of why a two state solution hasn't been made. I do not agree with those who say Arafat was uninterested in a two state solution and I do not believe that his conduct at Camp David II shows that he was uninterested in a two state solution. But we have Netanyahu's own pronouncement that he was not interested in a two state solution.
The Israelis see the US as a big dumb clunky toy to manipulate and use. And they've done so admirably over the past 40+ years, courtesy our stupid politicians of both major parties. Over the past year, however, they have gone too far, and regrettably refuse to get why Americans of the non-GOP, evangelical fundamentalist mindset are no longer so enamored with them, and why the well of goodwill we have for Israel is slowly running dry.
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Speak for yourself, don't make blanket statements about what American liberals think about Israel.
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Where is the Republican outrage over Obama turning loose this spy?
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"Where is the Republican outrage over Obama turning loose this spy?"
They're busy stuffing themselves at Adelson's trough.
They're busy stuffing themselves at Adelson's trough.
Boy that would be some duplicity. Shill for Israel then criticize BHO when their paymasters get their way. I think they call it chutzpah.
Or maybe we just raise our sites, move on in the 21st Ct, and look for new "allies", ones who do consult with the White House before addressing Congressi, in that part of the world.
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"Or maybe we just raise our sites, move on in the 21st Ct, and look for new "allies", ones who do consult with the White House before addressing Congressi, in that part of the world"
Mr. Baum: kindly name ONE candidate for an ally "in that part of the world".
Or else, find a better place to vent your frustration at a true ally there.
Mr. Baum: kindly name ONE candidate for an ally "in that part of the world".
Or else, find a better place to vent your frustration at a true ally there.
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It's not that Israelis don't 'get' America, it's that they hold the country in utter contempt on the best of days.
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The guy is ripe material for a Philip Roth novel - American Pastoral 2.
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Lost in the debate of Pollard's actions and incarceration is what the Israelis did with some of the data they received. It is widely reported that US intelligence officials believed that the Israelis exchanged highly classified data on the means America used in tracking nuclear submarines to the Soviets for the continued release of Jews from the Soviet Union, including specifically nuclear scientists who were then employed in the Israeli nuclear bomb program. American security was significantly compromised because of Pollard's actions and the use made of the secrets he revealed by the Israelis.
Pollard deserved the sentence he received for being a dangerous traitor to the United States. It's a pity that Israel was not similarly punished for their actions in encouraging Pollard's spying and for its subsequent betrayal of American security information to the Soviet Union.
Pollard's impending release is not merely a human interest story. In the ongoing debate on Pollard, let us not forget the damage to America that Pollard caused by his traitorous actions.
Pollard deserved the sentence he received for being a dangerous traitor to the United States. It's a pity that Israel was not similarly punished for their actions in encouraging Pollard's spying and for its subsequent betrayal of American security information to the Soviet Union.
Pollard's impending release is not merely a human interest story. In the ongoing debate on Pollard, let us not forget the damage to America that Pollard caused by his traitorous actions.
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"Israelis exchanged highly classified data on the means America used in tracking nuclear submarines to the Soviets"
Israel: undermining American security.
Israel: undermining American security.
Mr. Pollard is a very sick man as noted in a recent article in the Jerusalem Post. I suspect that he is not long for this world.
I am more concerned about those members of Congress who, have taken campaign contributions from AIPAC over the years, are about to vote on the Iran nuclear agreement. They ought to recuse themselves from the vote even if they are not legally required to do so. The neo-cons should not be allowed to push the US into another Middle East war for which we are not prepared. Who is representing our young volunteer army in this debate? Let's not repeat Donald Rumsfeld's mistake of going to war with the army we have instead of with the one we need. If we have to go to war, Congress should be honest enough to raise the necessary taxes to pay for it.
I am more concerned about those members of Congress who, have taken campaign contributions from AIPAC over the years, are about to vote on the Iran nuclear agreement. They ought to recuse themselves from the vote even if they are not legally required to do so. The neo-cons should not be allowed to push the US into another Middle East war for which we are not prepared. Who is representing our young volunteer army in this debate? Let's not repeat Donald Rumsfeld's mistake of going to war with the army we have instead of with the one we need. If we have to go to war, Congress should be honest enough to raise the necessary taxes to pay for it.
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Don't bet on it. Anything having t do with taxes, even if American security is involved, makes Republicans gag.
Mr. Bergman makes a very sweeping condemnation of the Israeli leadership and public, saying they have a "profound misunderstanding American values and thinking". Which American values make it OK for the US to spy on Angela Merkel? There are countless examples of the US spying on friendly countries.
It is also a rather extreme statement to classify Mr. Pollard as "a traitor of the worst kind". Nonsense. Wrong, yes, but he had no intention to harm US interests, nor did the Israelis. It is also presumptuous of Mr. Bergman, an Israeli, to speak for all Americans.
It is also a rather extreme statement to classify Mr. Pollard as "a traitor of the worst kind". Nonsense. Wrong, yes, but he had no intention to harm US interests, nor did the Israelis. It is also presumptuous of Mr. Bergman, an Israeli, to speak for all Americans.
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See SW comment re Israeli swap with USSR of Pollard info for people. "I didn't mean to do it" may suffice as an excuse among kindergarteners; it doesn't hack it for a nation that brags about its Nobel prize winners. Time for US to back away from the Near East. Too much American blood spilled to protect a nation whose interest are not necessarily congruent with ours.
didn't you know that the israelis consider America to be part of their occupied territories?
What the Israelis seem oblivious to is the importance of America's security to Americans. For the Israeli emphasis of their own "security," at any price, there is great indifference to Americans' safety concerns. Pollard was a danger to the US with information from espionage. The Iran deal, for all of Netanyahu's doomsday hysteria, was designed to curb that nation's threat and create an international coalition to enforce rules. President Obama spoke for many of us when he made clear that settlements and "mowing the grass" are unconscionable actions not to be done in our name. If Bibi was preoccupied with national security, he could see that our own is a concern for us.
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Likewise, too many Americans, particularly the "Israel haters" in these comments are oblivious to what Israelis accurately perceive as their need to protect and defend the nation's civilian population from Islamic terrorism, a concern shared with their American counterparts. Had international leaders insisted on Israel being a party to the Iran Nuclear Agreement, Iran would have rejected all negotiations.
If all of the land within the former British Mandate is disputed, despite the U.N. Partition under UNGAR 181, and Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel within the 1949 "Green Line," or whatever borders may ultimately be agreed upon, then the "Palestinian Territories" are disputed as well. After three failed and increasingly lethal and destructive "wars of aggression" against Israel, Hamas should come to anticipate "mowing the grass," will be the expected Israeli military response to their unconscionable aggression. When cease-fires have been in effect, Israel has honored them; not so with Hamas.
The U.S. has assisted Israel to preserve its "quantitive military edge." Those who seek to sever the U.S. - Israeli relationship only increase the likelihood of war. If, in the words of the Prime Minister, when war becomes imminent, "Israel must defend itself, by itself," a pre-emptive military strike on Iran, like that of June 5, 1967 on Nasser's Egypt, may become inevitable.
If all of the land within the former British Mandate is disputed, despite the U.N. Partition under UNGAR 181, and Palestinians refuse to recognize Israel within the 1949 "Green Line," or whatever borders may ultimately be agreed upon, then the "Palestinian Territories" are disputed as well. After three failed and increasingly lethal and destructive "wars of aggression" against Israel, Hamas should come to anticipate "mowing the grass," will be the expected Israeli military response to their unconscionable aggression. When cease-fires have been in effect, Israel has honored them; not so with Hamas.
The U.S. has assisted Israel to preserve its "quantitive military edge." Those who seek to sever the U.S. - Israeli relationship only increase the likelihood of war. If, in the words of the Prime Minister, when war becomes imminent, "Israel must defend itself, by itself," a pre-emptive military strike on Iran, like that of June 5, 1967 on Nasser's Egypt, may become inevitable.
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There isn't a Veteran or active duty serviceman or servicewoman alive who, no matter what their religious affiliation, see Jonathan Pollard as nothing more than he is: a traitor to his country in no uncertain terms. Mercy, yes. Parole restricting him to living in the U.S. for the rest of his life and not permitting him to make money in speaking engagements? Yes.
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Are we expected to believe that Israel running a spy as deep in the US as it can is unusual? Or that the US doing the same in Israel is unusual? Haven't the Julian Assange and Edward Snowden leaks shown us otherwise? If not for Israel specifically, than for other allies. If the NSA would tap Angela Merkel's cell phone, do you not think they tap every world leader's?
It is bad to get caught, and we should not treat caught spies as if they did nothing wrong. But let's not be naive.
It is bad to get caught, and we should not treat caught spies as if they did nothing wrong. But let's not be naive.
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Pollard wanted to do something to serve the State of Israel. Since he didn't have the guts to move there and become an Israeli, he decided he would be a spy for Israel.
If he wanted to continue to help the State of Israel, he would not ask to be released from prison because by being released from prison he is, arguably, creating a debt to be borne by Israel, i.e., because America had the generosity of spirit to release him, Israel would have to do something for America.
If he wanted to truly serve the State of Israel he would take his punishment like a man and not try to arouse America's ire.
That being said, one should note that according to many sources, governments frequently spy on one another and often spy on friendly nations. For example, there was a recent story to the effect that we had tapped Merkel's phone number.
If he wanted to continue to help the State of Israel, he would not ask to be released from prison because by being released from prison he is, arguably, creating a debt to be borne by Israel, i.e., because America had the generosity of spirit to release him, Israel would have to do something for America.
If he wanted to truly serve the State of Israel he would take his punishment like a man and not try to arouse America's ire.
That being said, one should note that according to many sources, governments frequently spy on one another and often spy on friendly nations. For example, there was a recent story to the effect that we had tapped Merkel's phone number.
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Mr. Pollard will have served every day of the 30 year maximum sentence that he was required to serve. His value as a bargaining chip for any political concessions by Israel is zero. Given his fantasy of being a Mossad agent, Naval Intelligence should never have hired him in the first place and the rogue Israeli intelligence operation which handled him would never have gained access to U.S. intelligence data.
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Interesting country Israel... sad. Will they ever see the larger picture of peace with their neighbors and work just as hard to make that peace a reality as they do to destroy it.
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Two of Israel's neighbors, Egypt and Jordan, once adversaries, have become close allies against a common threat. Iran, once an Israeli ally and trading partner, has now become an adversary.
"Nations have no permanent friends or allies; they only have permanent interests."
--Lord Palmerston, English statesman (1784-1865)
"Nations have no permanent friends or allies; they only have permanent interests."
--Lord Palmerston, English statesman (1784-1865)
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I would like to thank the author for posting this piece. He has captured the essence of the issue as few Americans could - or perhaps would dare to.
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Of course, Israeli doesn't "get" the US.
They are a theocracy. Heaven knows we have our own problems in that department but we are not Israel of Iran -- yet.
Lest we forget the USS Liberty...some of us will never forget or forgive.
They are a theocracy. Heaven knows we have our own problems in that department but we are not Israel of Iran -- yet.
Lest we forget the USS Liberty...some of us will never forget or forgive.
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Um, Israel is not at theocracy. The only power the rabbinate has is over lifecycle issues (marriage, conversion, divorce) and kashrut (kosher certification). Everything else, the religious political parties have to use the democratic parliamentary proceess. Words have meaning; get your facts straight.
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We have forgiven the Japanese for the sinking of the USS Indianapolis (CA-35), which occurred 70 years ago tomorrow with the loss of all but 317 members of her 1,196 man crew. The Navy which sought to cover up its negligence in failing to search for the overdue ship, Court Martialed Captain Charles McVay for "hazarding his vessel"l by failing to zig-zag. They even had the Commander of the Japanese submarine I-58, which sank the Indianapolis testify, who said that zig-zagging would have made no difference in the sinking. It took a Congressional Resolution signed by President Clinton in 2000 to clear Captain McVay's record.
The Liberty failed to obey orders to move away from the Egyptian coast off the Port of el-Arish, where she was mistaken for the Egyptian Naval transport El-Qusair. We have for given the Japanese for the USS Indianapolis and Israel has forgiven the Egyptians for its losses in the 1967 "Six Day War." During "Operation desert Storm/Desert Shield," U.S. aircraft destroyed a British armored personnel carrier, killing its entire crew, mistaking it for an Iraqi Soviet built "BMP." The British have since forgiven us. Only a hate-monger would refuse to forgive the attack on the Liberty, a "Friendly-Fire" incident, commonly occurring in the "fog of war!"
The Liberty failed to obey orders to move away from the Egyptian coast off the Port of el-Arish, where she was mistaken for the Egyptian Naval transport El-Qusair. We have for given the Japanese for the USS Indianapolis and Israel has forgiven the Egyptians for its losses in the 1967 "Six Day War." During "Operation desert Storm/Desert Shield," U.S. aircraft destroyed a British armored personnel carrier, killing its entire crew, mistaking it for an Iraqi Soviet built "BMP." The British have since forgiven us. Only a hate-monger would refuse to forgive the attack on the Liberty, a "Friendly-Fire" incident, commonly occurring in the "fog of war!"
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America's "relationship" with Israel may be defined as one in which a host is the never-ending source of nourishment for a parasite. The benefits are one-directional and serve to extend the life of the parasitic culture. The analogy is not mean-spirite or far-fetched. Thus, it is not all surprising that Israel's response to all this is a naive "what, who, me?" hand-spread. This is the country (some misguided souls insist on calling Israel an ally) that accepts U.S. taxpayers' money in the form of military, diplomatic and technological aid, all the while disarming doubters with handshakes and smiles while working a mole through the American intelligence community. It's a dirty and disgraceful thing, much like a guest in a house who rummages through the wife's lingerie drawer while she's otherwise engaged. Israel knew who and what Jonathan Pollard was and is, and they continue to wear the pasty smile of friendship. Who needs enemies when one has friends like this?
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Strange, the word "parasite" came to my mind before I read this. Have we nit served as the host long enough?
Nicely put. Israel is a liability not an ally.
Pollard enjoyed the freedoms and benefits of American citizenship and then spurned and betrayed his native land out of love for Israel. It is this rejection, I believe, that makes the man so loathsome to many Americans. A spy who trades secrets to a foreign power for money, but displays no preference for that country, is a different story. Americans will dismiss him as contemptible and deserving of severe punishment, but probably will not harbor the deep resentment and anger toward him that Pollard has experienced. In American eyes, Pollard has spit on his own people and no punishment is too harsh for him. I must confess that I share this attitude.
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"A spy who trades secrets to a foreign power for money, but displays no preference for that country, is a different story."
Really? Sounds like you are trying to make a distinction without a functional difference. Are you saying a spy who acts for money does not "spit on his own people?" Does a spy who acts for monetary motive only have less potential to cause harm to his/her country? Is someone who will comprise the interests of their country for money really deserving of less outrage?
Really? Sounds like you are trying to make a distinction without a functional difference. Are you saying a spy who acts for money does not "spit on his own people?" Does a spy who acts for monetary motive only have less potential to cause harm to his/her country? Is someone who will comprise the interests of their country for money really deserving of less outrage?
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If Israel has a profound misunderstanding of the values and thinking you claim are American it's because those values and thinking are not held by most American, if indeed anyone actually thinks that way or have those values.
The USA also spies on counties that are our closes allies.
Here is proof from of all places is from the New York Times.
.http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/world/europe/germany-is-accused-of-hel...
How can you publish this opinion when you know this misunderstanding claimed is false.
This article states things as accepted facts that are either lies or at best speculation as none of these stories are documented.
Israel isn't our only friend and close ally who has been caught spying.
Another article from what is becoming my least favorite news source The New York
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/world/europe/scandal-over-spying-shake...
We spy on others and they spy on us and no one clams a misunderstanding.
This opinion piece isn't opinion. it's propaganda and should be labelled that way.
The USA also spies on counties that are our closes allies.
Here is proof from of all places is from the New York Times.
.http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/01/world/europe/germany-is-accused-of-hel...
How can you publish this opinion when you know this misunderstanding claimed is false.
This article states things as accepted facts that are either lies or at best speculation as none of these stories are documented.
Israel isn't our only friend and close ally who has been caught spying.
Another article from what is becoming my least favorite news source The New York
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/06/world/europe/scandal-over-spying-shake...
We spy on others and they spy on us and no one clams a misunderstanding.
This opinion piece isn't opinion. it's propaganda and should be labelled that way.
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"The Israeli government even issued Mr. Pollard an Israeli identity card..."
This should give pause to GOP candidates who tripping over themselves over how to ingratiate themselves to Jewish-American billionaires. Israel is a Middle Eastern country with Middle Eastern sensibilities who i pursuing - ruthlessly - its own geopolitical strategies. These are not identical to those of the US.
This should give pause to GOP candidates who tripping over themselves over how to ingratiate themselves to Jewish-American billionaires. Israel is a Middle Eastern country with Middle Eastern sensibilities who i pursuing - ruthlessly - its own geopolitical strategies. These are not identical to those of the US.
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Do you think the GOP candidates are any different than Pollard, in terms of how they treat the U.S., or think of Americans?
And how about US spies and spying activities on some of its own closest allies?
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Israel has been spitting in the face of the US, kicking us in the teeth, and generally biting the hand that has guaranteed it's existence, not to mention murdering our un-armed servicemen on the high seas, for generations. They've gotten away with it for so long, why shouldn't they expect to do so in the Pollard case?
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If there is so much as one sound of celebration in Israel, one syllable, one utterance, then we should lock this traitor away for the rest of his sentence. Not one word.
Israel has done more than enough damage here lately so that one hopes someone there will have an ounce of sense -- enough to make sure no more damage is done or insult given to the United States and its government.
So Bibi be quiet -- just once in your life -- be very, very silent and have the sense this once to keep your nose under your own tent and not again with disrespect and gross provocation bite the hand that feeds Israel $3 billion a year.
Israel has done more than enough damage here lately so that one hopes someone there will have an ounce of sense -- enough to make sure no more damage is done or insult given to the United States and its government.
So Bibi be quiet -- just once in your life -- be very, very silent and have the sense this once to keep your nose under your own tent and not again with disrespect and gross provocation bite the hand that feeds Israel $3 billion a year.
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"But if Israelis celebrate his release and possible “homecoming,” there must be a responsible adult in Israel who understands how turning a spy into a returning hero will be interpreted in Washington."
Frankly, Mr. Bergman, I don't understand what you don't understand: Israel and the United States are two different countries. 99.9% of Americans don't know who Pollard is--or care. 100% of Israelis think he is a hero.
It may not seem like it, but Israel is methodically isolating itself. I'm all for Pollard's release; I realize what, eventually, it will lead to. I am all for Israeli oppression of Palestinians; I realize what, eventually, it will lead to. And I am pleased as Punch and proud as Judy that Israel has 200+ nuclear weapons; because I realize what, eventually--inevitably--such weapons will lead to.
Frankly, Mr. Bergman, I don't understand what you don't understand: Israel and the United States are two different countries. 99.9% of Americans don't know who Pollard is--or care. 100% of Israelis think he is a hero.
It may not seem like it, but Israel is methodically isolating itself. I'm all for Pollard's release; I realize what, eventually, it will lead to. I am all for Israeli oppression of Palestinians; I realize what, eventually, it will lead to. And I am pleased as Punch and proud as Judy that Israel has 200+ nuclear weapons; because I realize what, eventually--inevitably--such weapons will lead to.
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" I am all for Israeli oppression of Palestinians;"
here we have it: the mentality of the contemporary Israel supporter. A thirst for injustice.
here we have it: the mentality of the contemporary Israel supporter. A thirst for injustice.
Few will appreciate your understanding that Israel is self-destructing. Particularly those who need to appreciate most. With supreme irony, all of this evidence is hiding in plain sight, in broad daylight. But nice try, anyway. Seriously.
Unbelievable! How can someone like Pollard be released? It's amazing how Israelis can twist our arm.
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Why is the earlier (June 8, 1967) Israeli destruction of the USS Liberty, a United States Navy electronic intelligence vessel sailing not mentioned here? The recruitment of Pollard is just one incident of many..
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Read the book "The Secret War Against the Jews" by Loftus and Aarons. The U.S. was spying on Israel for the Arabs and giving up plans and troop positions. Israel warned the U.S. repeatedly to stop spying. The U.S. refused. Israel was left with no choice but to attack. The U.S. knew it was in the wrong, and that is why it came up with the cover story of the boat being misidentified. Had Israel not taken out the USS Liberty, Israel would probably not exist today. Get it? Good. Read the book and get educated.
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The then government of Israel ordered the bombing of the USS Liberty, in which over 100 American sailors were killed. The Johnson Administration stopped an official inquiry into the circumstances and ordered it to be hushed up.
This was an injustice to those sailors and to their families. President Obama should stop babying the Israelis and order a complete investigation of the Liberty Affair. There are plenty of retired naval officers who would be eager to testify.
This was an injustice to those sailors and to their families. President Obama should stop babying the Israelis and order a complete investigation of the Liberty Affair. There are plenty of retired naval officers who would be eager to testify.
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Bentsn from Lexington, MA has a good point. Unfortunately not 1 American in 1000 has a clue about the USS LIBERTY which was attacked by Israeli forces during the 6 day war in 1967. President Lyndon Johnson and the Israeli lobbyists made sure that the whole matter was hushed up. Sad but true.
U.S. NAVY VETERAN (1965 - 1967)
U.S. NAVY VETERAN (1965 - 1967)
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I've been hearing one irritating thing about Israel after another for as long as I can remember. I don't pretend to have expertise in such matters, but it seems
It seems to me that we support Israel to the extent that we do, not so much because it's in our national interest to do so, but because Israel and its supporters, who live in the US, basically coerce our country's political leadership into supporting "Israel right or wrong". In other words, Israel's right up there with the NRA, as a source of political corruption and, ultimately, rottenness.
It seems to me that we support Israel to the extent that we do, not so much because it's in our national interest to do so, but because Israel and its supporters, who live in the US, basically coerce our country's political leadership into supporting "Israel right or wrong". In other words, Israel's right up there with the NRA, as a source of political corruption and, ultimately, rottenness.
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Accusing all of Israel and its supporters (myself included) of "rottenness" based on the actions of one man is jingoistic and racist.
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David, do a thought experiment and imagine the ME without support from the US. Think its craziness would go away and wouldn't impinge even more on Europe? Think that Islamic cultural and business norms wouldn't continue to suppress the population and impede development? It is past time for the ME nations to accept their own responsibility for the chaos and fear that rule their nations. Indeed, fundamentalism, no matter the religion, creates fear and chaos everywhere. We need only look at the anger and nuttiness of our Republican candidates and their congressional members to get the "flavor" of the thing. Even flirting with fundamentalism is a dangerous thing.
@David: Considering the fact that there are perhaps 3 million "Jewish" eligible voters in the US, it never fails to amaze me of the inordinate influence this lobby has. And before someone trots out the "anti-Semite card", let me also state that I have the same opinion of the "Cuban" lobby in the US, whose perhaps 2 million eligible voters, also have this disproportionate influence over our Congress. Can someone please explain this?
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I think the reaction to spying tends to be worse when those spying are supposed to be friends and allies.
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The government of Israel makes extreme and unwarranted demands of the government of the United States, its most loyal ally. For Netanyahu to address Congress as he did in the Iran matter was an insult, and the United States should have responded much more forcefully. And for Israel to act as it did in the Pollard matter was an act of such arrogance as to justify the breakoff of diplomatic relations. Pollard was an unspeakably mendacious traitor and Israel's demand that he be released should have been loudly named and shamed.
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Netanyahu's demonetization of Obama says a lot about his feelings of this president, but he is in line with Republcians and their total disdain of Obama. It is unfortunate that Obama feels the need to pacify Netanyahu and Israel with the release of this spy.
It's not hard to realize that espionage has strange bedfellows. Even those you are close to you may not know is working for any government or even the country you are born into like the United States that people's lives, lifestyle, family, friends, jobs to name a few are reflected in a persons unfaithful occupation of spying sometimes for more than one country. It's bad enough if you are caught and worst if you are deported or jailed but for no other reason it's unimangeable that your health may be also at risk for assassination or natural causes because you did not have the support, health care or insurance from the country or countries you were spying for. Three stikes your out but sometimes you make a homerun and that is exactly what Pollard is achieving if being allowed to return to Israel.
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The unfortunate reality is that since its creation, Israel's predominant international stance and public face is one of extreme self-centeredness and self-interest. Nothing in their socio-political makeup is oriented towards any act of global endearment. Not one act of compassion is without an ulterior motive. For example, Israel's aid to Nepal after the quake was motivated and scaled only to meet the needs of the Israelis trapped there.
The fact that Israel is driven first by its sense of national and personal gain first and everything else as collateral (gain or loss), explains why they fail to understand why the US finds its relationship with them increasingly problematic.
I'm sure there are great, fun and warm individuals there, but as a whole, it's a pretty sad and sorry way for a nation to be. It's a good warning for us of what a nation can become when its politics are dominated by only shades of extremism with no soft or tempering influences.
The fact that Israel is driven first by its sense of national and personal gain first and everything else as collateral (gain or loss), explains why they fail to understand why the US finds its relationship with them increasingly problematic.
I'm sure there are great, fun and warm individuals there, but as a whole, it's a pretty sad and sorry way for a nation to be. It's a good warning for us of what a nation can become when its politics are dominated by only shades of extremism with no soft or tempering influences.
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We might take some thought to your comments if our own actions and/or those of European nations differed in any significant fashion from the motivation of "national self interest." Sadly, a good case can be made that they don't.
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History has proven that Israel better be self centered. It is the Jews that are constantly used as a scapegoat. Now it's the Christians and the Jews and conservatives. History repeats. Image living next door to a neighbor who has said they want you dead.
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Wow, what a post. "You're sure there are great, fun and warm individuals there.." Touching. Maybe you can visit and get a first-hand view instead of offering cold, patronizing commentary. And your assessment of what "drives" Israel -- "its sense of national and personal gain first and everything else as collateral (gain or loss)" - is what drives every nation state. I'm not justifying Pollard but I'm sure as heck not justifying the slippery slope you're leading us on.
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How is this Iran deal a "bitter pill...that Israelis are being asked to swallow." The agreement delays Iran's nuclear ambitions for 10 years minimum and might promise a new era of cooperation in the middle east. Sure, the leaders of both countries spout anger, fear and hatred but that's what weak leaders do to keep themselves in power. Iranian youth have shown a willingness to adapt to a less rigid, less religious path forward and in the past Israelis have shown a willingness to reach compromises with their enemies. Bibi Netanyahu and the Ayatollahs will someday be gone and, hopefully, the current toxic environment in the middle east will give way to more cooperation. But for the time being Iran has agreed to not build a nuclear weapon and the state of Israel gets to keep their 200+ arsenal of nuclear weapons in tact. America, indeed the world, will be safer because of this deal. That may be a bitter pill but it's the right medicine.
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A "bitter pill" because some hoped that usa would bomb iran?
This is very clearly written. Thank you and I hope those in Pollard's corner can see your point of view Mr. Bergman. Many other Americans of all backgrounds do.
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Pollard should remain jailed for life for the harm he caused to the USA . Israel continues to spy on us and endangers our national security with absolute impunity. They've become a millstone around our neck. With so called allies like Israel who needs enemies!
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I have to say I recall when it was revealed what Pollard did and the smug attitude by the Israeli government about his spying against its close ally was heartbreaking for me as a U.S. citizen. Now with the Iran deal with Congress, Netanyahu is applauding Pollard's release, saying he has advocated for it in every high level meeting he's has with U.S. officials for years. And the Prime Minister is considered by some a good politician? Bergman's thesis here remains correct. And for me, even after 30 years, what Pollard did still hurts.
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The Right Wing of this country or so fervently support Israel and are willing to make idiotic statements like Mike Huckabee is a minority opinion. The Right Wing Government currently in power in Israel is also a minority. In the name of their "sanctified" belief systems they are incapable of accepting with humility any gesture of reconciliation offered by the other side, which they believe is Satanic or against their true G-d's wishes. Fact is, it's Mr. Netanyahu's egotistical pursuit of power, his need to think he's in control and his demagogic skills that are already provoking some of the worst anti-Semitic sentiment I've ever seen in the US and across the world. Pollard release has been begged for and refused by four different presidents across 30 years. Pres. Obama delivered for them, and they're still attempting to defame and bully the man. Sickening really. Self-righteous to the point of nausea. How about some recognition of the fact that he's being released is an act of compassion and courage by this President. They can't bring themselves to admit it, because they are blinded by their hate and lust for power.
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"Fact is, it's Mr. Netanyahu's egotistical pursuit of power, his need to think he's in control and his demagogic skills that are already provoking some of the worst anti-Semitic sentiment I've ever seen in the US and across the world...."
Think anti-Semitism was lower before Israel existed? Read some history.
Think anti-Semitism was lower before Israel existed? Read some history.
Want2know:
I have read history extensively. Note that I said, "in my lifetime".
I'm 61 and born in 1954.
In my lifetime, this is the worst upswelling of anti-semitism, I've seen.
What about you?
Ron
I have read history extensively. Note that I said, "in my lifetime".
I'm 61 and born in 1954.
In my lifetime, this is the worst upswelling of anti-semitism, I've seen.
What about you?
Ron
I'm thinking about how, after our relationship with Libya thawed late in the Bush administration, one of the masterminds of the Lockerbie bombing was released supposedly for medical reasons; he was dying.
He was greeted to a hero's welcome when he stepped off the plane in Libya.
Are we allied with the wrong people in the middle east?
He was greeted to a hero's welcome when he stepped off the plane in Libya.
Are we allied with the wrong people in the middle east?
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Pollard wasn't convicted of treason or even charged with it, so he shouldn't be called a traitor. He didn't give aid or comfort to enemies of the US. He gave classified data to Israel, a US friend and ally. It should also be noted that the US itself has given uncountable masses of classified data to Israel to aid it in its defense.
He shouldn't have done it, he was properly caught and was harshly punished under the law. I'm looking forward to seeing lots more hate-filled comments about him. Bring them on.
He shouldn't have done it, he was properly caught and was harshly punished under the law. I'm looking forward to seeing lots more hate-filled comments about him. Bring them on.
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Pollard didn't "give" classified data to Israel -- he "sold" it.
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Ally? Here's the list of mutual defense treaties. I guess my old eyes must not be working because I don't see Israel on there.
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/collectivedefense/
http://www.state.gov/s/l/treaty/collectivedefense/
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It's not really much of a gift to Israel since the U.S. must release Pollard anyway. He was eligible for parole 20 years ago but somehow this fact was not revealed to him or his lawyers. It would have been a nice gesture 20 years ago.
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Pollard offered to spy for non-israeli actors after he was initially rebuffed by Mossad. He is a traitor and a pawn of Israeli politicians. I have no doubt they will give him a hero's welcome and not care about american perception in the slightest.
They have christian evangelists who believe that Israel is key in bringing about the rapture and that it must be supported no matter the moral or political cost. Thanks to this, they have co-opted the republican party in an unprecedented way in the nation's history.
They have christian evangelists who believe that Israel is key in bringing about the rapture and that it must be supported no matter the moral or political cost. Thanks to this, they have co-opted the republican party in an unprecedented way in the nation's history.
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The irony being of course....that those very hard right GOP allies who always provide Israel with its needs.....simultaneously seek the destruction of Israel to realize The Rapture.
That is, a bizarre premise which expects that the continued existence of the Jewish state in a hostile neighborhood of Arab nations will ensure an eventual nuclear holocaust, and bring us all home to Jesus. Nuts.
That is, a bizarre premise which expects that the continued existence of the Jewish state in a hostile neighborhood of Arab nations will ensure an eventual nuclear holocaust, and bring us all home to Jesus. Nuts.
It would interesting to know which "non-Israeli actors" Mr. Pollard approached before he succeeded in working for the Mossad. When this case began there were those who asked what he did wrong given that we was spying for an ally. The clearest answer to that came from someone who pointed out that once he gave American secrets away, he forever lost control of them and would never know who else might see them.
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Pollard should stay in jail. It is only Barack Obama pandering to the Jewish nation he has left behind.
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Despite spending much of is youth in this country, Binyamin Netanyahu still doesn't get it either, but panders to a GOP that increasingly doesn't care what it does or says to gain permanent political power.
Mr. Huckabee's linking the multilateral Iran nuclear agreement with another Holocaust is beyond belief, and belies any real interest in the welfare of the Jews or Israel. It's just political opportunism at its worst and, like Divine in "Pink Flamingoes," it shoes Mr. Huckabee has earned the title of Grossest Person Alive, albeit by uttering feces rather than eating it.
Mr. Huckabee's linking the multilateral Iran nuclear agreement with another Holocaust is beyond belief, and belies any real interest in the welfare of the Jews or Israel. It's just political opportunism at its worst and, like Divine in "Pink Flamingoes," it shoes Mr. Huckabee has earned the title of Grossest Person Alive, albeit by uttering feces rather than eating it.
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Pollard was set to get out in less than a year anyway- so this is all over nothing.
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Oh dear I already see where this is going--it's the old dual charge conveniently leveled against Jews caught behaving badly. I've actually been dreading the day that Pollard might be released for that very reason. Jews everywhere became easy targets for demonization after Pollard was arrested. See, see, declare the Israel bashers--Jews can't be trusted. Can anyone care to explain the difference between Israeli values and American values like I'm a four year old child? Seriously, I'd like to know.
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American Jews can be trusted. American Jews who think that Israel is as important, or more so, than their own country -- no, they cannot be trusted.
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He's being released on parole and he should be subject to the same restrictions that apply to any other parolee. Leaving the U.S. should not be an option.
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The main reason Mr. Pollard was imprisoned for so long is that Israel had no American spy to exchange for him. Exchange was the normal fate of captured Soviet spies during the Cold War, but unfortunately for Pollard, the Americans had not thought to run spies in Israel.
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I think the Obama administration and the other European, Chinese and Russian nations have made it clear that for the next 10 years the world needs Persians, their oil, and their commerce, notI the Jewish State of Israel.
Then again, the world has been making it clear that they prefer any ethnic, national or religious group other than the Jews and their nation of Israel for several millennium.
So, why is this news?
Then again, the world has been making it clear that they prefer any ethnic, national or religious group other than the Jews and their nation of Israel for several millennium.
So, why is this news?
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Mr. Pollard is a traitor to the U.S. He should be held to the same parole standards as other spies. I can't imagine that most Israelis think of him anything more than a mercenary, narcissistic traitor.
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As I said in a previous post, Jonathan Pollard did more damage to the security of the United States than Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. He should not be allowed to emigrate to Israeli, and should be kept under house arrest for at least another five years, lest he give the Israeli authorities more U.S. secrets.
The Israelis should understand this. Mordechai Vanunu,who was not a spy but revealed the secret Israeli atomic bomb program to the civilized world, was imprisoned for many years in an Israeli jail and now remains under house arrest.
The state of Israeli is not America's friend.
The Israelis should understand this. Mordechai Vanunu,who was not a spy but revealed the secret Israeli atomic bomb program to the civilized world, was imprisoned for many years in an Israeli jail and now remains under house arrest.
The state of Israeli is not America's friend.
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@Diogenes: Do you really think the Israelis are not capable of spiriting the traitor Pollard out of the US? Five years "house arrest"? He'll be enjoying his Israeli "citizenship" in a New York minute!
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Pollard, despite his crimes, did not do more damage to U.S. interests than the Rosenbergs; he did not give the Soviets the bomb!
Vanunu, who revealed that Israel had the bomb, probably did as much, if not more damage to Israel, as the Rosenbergs did to the United States!
Any intelligence data that Pollard retains is now more than 30 years old and is of little utility to Israel, or anyone else.
Vanunu, who revealed that Israel had the bomb, probably did as much, if not more damage to Israel, as the Rosenbergs did to the United States!
Any intelligence data that Pollard retains is now more than 30 years old and is of little utility to Israel, or anyone else.
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The sentence for Pollard's traitorous perfidy is life in jail. THAT IS WHAT HE SHOULD SERVE.
This is another example of Israel taking us for granted. When will the kowtowing to Israel end?
This is another example of Israel taking us for granted. When will the kowtowing to Israel end?
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Under no circumstances should Pollard ever be allowed to set foot in Israel for a hero's welcome.
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I understand your point, but actually it would be revealing to the American people to observe the reception he receives.
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So let me get this straight. Israel spies on the U.S. and is castigated for its "profound misunderstanding of American values and thinking." The U.S. spies on France and Germany and says, "Meh, everyone does it."
The only American value in evidence here is hypocrisy.
The only American value in evidence here is hypocrisy.
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Pollard is not just a spy. He is a murderer, a multiple murderer who killed for money.
The things he released were extremely sensitive because their very existence revealed our sources, our agents inside the USSR. Only very few people had access.
Then the Israelis gave it to them, in a trade. Now they want sympathy for themselves, and for Pollard.
They got a lot of agents killed, and caused the US to lose much of its access to future vital information. Those deaths are the essence of "felony murder." Pollard is responsible for every one of those murders.
That is why he was given a life sentence. And it wasn't a 30 year sentence, it was life. The only thing mandatory about his parole was thinking about it a moment before saying NO. There are also some mandatory conditions, and by this account those will be waived too.
When an Israeli agent out of pure ego harmed Israeli intelligence, they turned him into "Prisoner X" who suffered a mysterious death in his cell. The know how they feel, in a much less serious case.
The things he released were extremely sensitive because their very existence revealed our sources, our agents inside the USSR. Only very few people had access.
Then the Israelis gave it to them, in a trade. Now they want sympathy for themselves, and for Pollard.
They got a lot of agents killed, and caused the US to lose much of its access to future vital information. Those deaths are the essence of "felony murder." Pollard is responsible for every one of those murders.
That is why he was given a life sentence. And it wasn't a 30 year sentence, it was life. The only thing mandatory about his parole was thinking about it a moment before saying NO. There are also some mandatory conditions, and by this account those will be waived too.
When an Israeli agent out of pure ego harmed Israeli intelligence, they turned him into "Prisoner X" who suffered a mysterious death in his cell. The know how they feel, in a much less serious case.
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It is simply outrageous that the US government continues to be bullied by Israel into reducing and refuting our own laws and justice system. And it won't do a thing at all to subdue their unasked-for meddling into our governmental affairs or their acceptance of the agreement with Iran - Israel is like the monster plant - the more you feed it the bigger, meaner, and more above the laws of humanity and the world it becomes. They and our congressional arms dealers want to take us to war and it looks like they will get their way much to the detriment of the world.
8
While initially the losses of U.S. agents in USSR had been blamed on Pollard, it had later been found that it were Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen who provided the info to KGB. While Pollard is a traitor and a miserable human being, his "work" didn't result in any murders of our agents.
6
And how do you know that Pollard wasn't framed in order to protect Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen, who really were responsible for these deaths?
5
Only the cluelessly self involved fail to see Israel is just another nation pursuing its self interests by lying and cheating. US interests are different. Pollard is a liar, a cheater, and a traitor. Not complicated.
544
I am not defending Pollard or Israel, but how are the US interests different? The politicians in the U.S. are liars, cheaters, traitors, and sociopaths who have sent innocent men and women into the meat grinders of Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan for what? Truth? Justice? Freedom? Democracy? Oh, I forgot. It was profit for a few. Yeah, that's it. The almighty dollar.
18
All nations have "interests" and none have "friends." Does anyone really believe that israel is not STILL spying on us or that we are not spying on them? Please, this is how the world works - it is not pleasant, pretty or honest, and it does not matter if one considers it a good thing or a bad thing because it is the only thing.
2
Obama is clever. He is not allowing Pollard to be released to make Israel happy. He is allowing him to be released so that the American public clearly is reminded that Israel simply acts in its own self interest. Any by implication that's what the US should do. And the Iran deal is clearly in the US interests.
6
Israel is a small country that could easily be wiped out. It is not surprising that they do everything necessary to survive.
We, one the other hand, are so big and geographically isolated from our enemies that we can afford to behave in an idealistic manner.
These simple facts are the main cause of all our differences.
We, one the other hand, are so big and geographically isolated from our enemies that we can afford to behave in an idealistic manner.
These simple facts are the main cause of all our differences.
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Not quite everything. The Haredi (about 12% of the Jewish population and growing) are not even punished for defying the country's draft laws. Nor are they punished for giving their children (especially the boys) very poor secular educations. Many of the youngsters become professiuonal religious students, father many children that they can't afford to support and impose a major burden on the country's taxpayers. This economic model is not sustainable over the long term.
11
So, that means he gets to spy on the US with impunity? He did it for the money. He should go to jail for life.
13
No, Israel cannot so "easily be wiped out". Israel is the only country in the mid-East region with a nuclear arsenal it can unleash in a moments notice to vaporize its enemies.
What Israel fails to comprehend is the philosophy that you don't bite the hand that is feeding you. Without the United States there would be no Israel. But 'friends' should not lie and steal from friends. It shows a certain lack of class, not to mention unworthiness of trust.
Given that Israel is now in allegiance with the most regressive elements of the Republican Party, it is time for Democrats to take note of who is worthy of favor, and who is not...
What Israel fails to comprehend is the philosophy that you don't bite the hand that is feeding you. Without the United States there would be no Israel. But 'friends' should not lie and steal from friends. It shows a certain lack of class, not to mention unworthiness of trust.
Given that Israel is now in allegiance with the most regressive elements of the Republican Party, it is time for Democrats to take note of who is worthy of favor, and who is not...
28
Pollard is a traitor and should be under tough parole for many years. He should not be permitted to leave the United States.
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Get over it Brad. I mean, personally I couldn't care less whether Pollard lives or dies, but the fact is that the man's spent three decades in prison. It's more than enough; we've made our point. Moreover, I SERIOUSLY doubt that the info that Pollard passed on to his Israeli handlers actually damaged the U.S. If it really did, I want to see the evidence. Yeah I know, it's classified :-)
5
What does Israel want from the United States? Pollard should not be released; his crimes were horrendous. Recall the Israelis as I recall made some of the information available to the Soviet Union. We continue to fund them in perverse ways and then allow them to laugh at us and attempt to control our actions. This seems to be a co-dependent relationship of the worst order and we continue to come out second best. Israelis seem only to think of themselves. While we are not without guilt, they seem to always be above it. And before someone gets to far about my views, I am a Jew but not an Israeli!
16
Perhaps we could stop the over 30 billion a year we give Israel and they can have him and his wife.
17
When I see a double standard, I must ask why. None of the answers that come to mind is pretty or reflects well on the subtext of America's prejudices.