I cannot believe you wasted space on these people. this is even worse than the piece that was done a while back on "Snooki". I thought the Times hit bottom with that one. Apparently I was wrong.
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these people remind me of spoiled milk in the refrigerator. it's too gross to look at or smell so we just throw it out without a second thought. sadly, this "milk" seems to linger and we can't stop looking at it. now that's gross.
10
The fascination with these 'celebrities' so called, of no talent, no merit, and no accounting for their tasteless subterranean existence is beginning to take on the appearance of, not just the imminent decline of Western Civilization, but the coming apocalypse. I have never given any credence to the belief that there are demonic beings. However, the assent of this she creature through an internet video that alleges to portray her active participation in a banal sex act which she has managed to parlay into public media recognition, her various marriages to heighten that parlay with her latest accomplice (looking and acting very much the part of Satan himself) shaking with his hands, her behind as a jello cushion. There is nothing, absolutely nothing redeeming about the existence of this she creature and her retinue.
9
I've watched the show and I read this article. Both are like a Snickers bar: something pleasant, if only for a moment. Then it's on to oatmeal, fruit and nuts, real brain food.
3
I find it very sad that so many people took time out of their Mother's Day to write hateful things about this successful business woman and her children. May peace be with all of you.
3
Wow, what a lot of harshness for the poor Kardashians. They are news, after all - I would say that they are more newsworthy than almost all but three of the GOP candidates - and this is a newspaper. My problem is that the article failed to really fulfill its promise. The K's not only make money for themselves, but for every magazine whose cover they grace, and ever tv show that focuses on them. I have read that in her scandalous prime, Britney Spears generated about 100 millon dollars per year in increased sales.
Which means that we have a social phenomenon here, One that it is hard to credit to a sex tape - many are the sex tapes out there. And many are the Hollywood moms who have pimped their daughters. So what is the explanation? Here, the reporter, who seemingly loves to take a catty tone when writing of the kardashians, fails.
Which means that we have a social phenomenon here, One that it is hard to credit to a sex tape - many are the sex tapes out there. And many are the Hollywood moms who have pimped their daughters. So what is the explanation? Here, the reporter, who seemingly loves to take a catty tone when writing of the kardashians, fails.
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It's interesting that there are so few comments; I have less restraint.
It seems the writers here want me to like her, sort of. Yes, hats off to any 59 year old woman in powerful positions; the world needs more of them. But are you saying that Kris was behind Kim's sex tape, because as far as I can recall, that's how this K-team got burned into our conscience. I almost felt bad when I read that Kanye said his girl is amazing because she's famous for just being famous. Do you think he doesn't know?
That aside, their blatant pursuit of fame and wealth would be funny if it wasn't so "real". Think about them as a cultural statement. It's right up there with "let them eat cake".
It seems the writers here want me to like her, sort of. Yes, hats off to any 59 year old woman in powerful positions; the world needs more of them. But are you saying that Kris was behind Kim's sex tape, because as far as I can recall, that's how this K-team got burned into our conscience. I almost felt bad when I read that Kanye said his girl is amazing because she's famous for just being famous. Do you think he doesn't know?
That aside, their blatant pursuit of fame and wealth would be funny if it wasn't so "real". Think about them as a cultural statement. It's right up there with "let them eat cake".
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It speaks volumes about the state of American society and culture when this crowd of narcissistic, whiny, exhibitionists with no talent other than self-promotion are trendsetters and media stars.
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am not sure how many people read The NY Times, but an optimistically high group number for Kardasian ratings is 3 million. Considering that there are 300 million people in the US, we are all being held media hostage by at most one percent.
And TV execs actually wonder why their ratings are so dismal.... Seriously.
The other 99 percent of us have had time to think about the Kardashians, probably not all too favorably, for at least 7 years. It just feels like seven centuries, doesn't it.
For me the only one relevant thing about having the Kardashians being crammed on to our screens every day is the endless variety of we must be missing in terms of things that are far more interesting and are being neglected and eroded away from the cultural times we live in... And that don't represent a creepy synthesis of porn, vulgarity and all the crass triteness money can buy.
We won't get that time back. It just gives a depressingly new meaning to hitting bottom.
And TV execs actually wonder why their ratings are so dismal.... Seriously.
The other 99 percent of us have had time to think about the Kardashians, probably not all too favorably, for at least 7 years. It just feels like seven centuries, doesn't it.
For me the only one relevant thing about having the Kardashians being crammed on to our screens every day is the endless variety of we must be missing in terms of things that are far more interesting and are being neglected and eroded away from the cultural times we live in... And that don't represent a creepy synthesis of porn, vulgarity and all the crass triteness money can buy.
We won't get that time back. It just gives a depressingly new meaning to hitting bottom.
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American capitalism has always been a shallow, superstitious culture defined by con-men and carney barkers, on to various market and other shady "investment" swindles and this is just more of the same. The difference is that what is ordinarily pitched to the lower classes has now infiltrated the culture at large (another example is the lyrics of popular music, which are virtually incoherent, and in a sense a dis-assimilation by the minorities from the dominant culture) partly due to the low educational attainment of the citizenry and the always magnificent pitch of the makers of consumerism.
Combine the puerile consumerist culture, lower class values, the fraud of "woman's liberation" as an excuse for the further sexual abuse of women (sex tapes as an avenue of promtion) and we have what Moynihan described as "defining deviancy down." Transported to the 50's and this rubbish would be unrecognizable and the easy target of censure,
Travel in countries with "traditional cultures" and enjoy not only going someplace but back to a different time where people converse rather than stare at some shabby piece of plastic. This is certainly not, a golden age of content--but in keeping with the decadence, is easier to "consume" than a novel.
Combine the puerile consumerist culture, lower class values, the fraud of "woman's liberation" as an excuse for the further sexual abuse of women (sex tapes as an avenue of promtion) and we have what Moynihan described as "defining deviancy down." Transported to the 50's and this rubbish would be unrecognizable and the easy target of censure,
Travel in countries with "traditional cultures" and enjoy not only going someplace but back to a different time where people converse rather than stare at some shabby piece of plastic. This is certainly not, a golden age of content--but in keeping with the decadence, is easier to "consume" than a novel.
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Why, oh why are we forced to put up with this personage and all the progeny she has brought forth, none of whom who have actually done anything to better the world, and everything to benefit themselves. Are we so starved for entertainment, and distraction that we have to turn to this?...It's time for this circus to leave town.
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I just don't understand this on any level, nor do I want to. This whole family makes me feel slightly nauseous, as do all reality shows and why people seem to like to watch them. I don't understand on any level why this is remotely interesting.
6
The NYT adds to the appalling appeal to the Kardashians. I don't believe there is a God, and this certainly confirms it. So, maybe all mothers should follow the new rule: profit from your daughter's home made porn video and you two will be Mother of the Year in the near future.
3
She has a career? Who knew? Her children have careers? Who cares.I thought the Kardashians were nothing but the first landing of distant aliens on the newly found planet, "Stupidio." But then again I couldn't get beyond the first couple of paragraphs. Nothing there convinced me of anything more than HL Mencken's famous statement that no one ever went broke underestimating the intelligence of the American public. 'Kind of go hand in hand with the Republican clown car racing toward 2016.
4
We need to see if ten years from now people talk about her clan. Probably not!
2
Kris Jenner has perfected the role of Madam bringing it into the 21 century. When success is equated with money absent conditions of purpose it devalues all involved and ultimately brings down entire culture.
4
I agree with all the readers who don't understand why this family merits an article in the Sunday Magazine. I have never watched their show but see them on covers of various magazines at check out counters. Out of curiosity I skimmed through this story and don't feel in any way enriched(forgive the pun) by the experience. Who cares, and what a waste of time and space.
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OK, this is a disgusting aspect of America (and apparently much of the rest of the world,too.) But...
At least the Kardashians seem to have done no harm to others. One cannot say the same of the trash that steal their billions with their Wall Street speculations, and cost our country millions of jobs via the resulting financial debacle. (The Republican morons who rave about "job-destroying" efforts to reduce global warming with controls on carbon pollution need to be smacked about the head with reminders of the jobs that were truly lost due to Wall Street's unbridled speculation.)
And then, we have the NRA and their brain-dead followers.
And the Bush punk and his "neocon" masters who concocted the incredibly damaging war on Iraq.
And even the Apple empire, that creates no jobs in America and is based on clearly exploitive manufacturing conditions in China and South Asia, and seems to represent the pinnacle of American "innovation."
And then we have the lovely coalition of politicians, police, prison unions, judiciary and attorneys whose "war on drugs" has caused insurmountable harm to our Afro-American community.
So, yes, the Kardashian family business is indeed silly and vacuous, but it seems to entertain millions (did vaudeville have so much more merit?), and there seems to be little collateral damage.
My first thought on reading this article was "Ugh!" But on second thought, I'll reserve my "Ughs!" for all those among us who truly harm our fellow citizens.
At least the Kardashians seem to have done no harm to others. One cannot say the same of the trash that steal their billions with their Wall Street speculations, and cost our country millions of jobs via the resulting financial debacle. (The Republican morons who rave about "job-destroying" efforts to reduce global warming with controls on carbon pollution need to be smacked about the head with reminders of the jobs that were truly lost due to Wall Street's unbridled speculation.)
And then, we have the NRA and their brain-dead followers.
And the Bush punk and his "neocon" masters who concocted the incredibly damaging war on Iraq.
And even the Apple empire, that creates no jobs in America and is based on clearly exploitive manufacturing conditions in China and South Asia, and seems to represent the pinnacle of American "innovation."
And then we have the lovely coalition of politicians, police, prison unions, judiciary and attorneys whose "war on drugs" has caused insurmountable harm to our Afro-American community.
So, yes, the Kardashian family business is indeed silly and vacuous, but it seems to entertain millions (did vaudeville have so much more merit?), and there seems to be little collateral damage.
My first thought on reading this article was "Ugh!" But on second thought, I'll reserve my "Ughs!" for all those among us who truly harm our fellow citizens.
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I would like to be able to count the number of references to the Kardashians in the NYT and find that number to be zero. Please don't send reporters named Taffy to worship at this tabernacle of tomfoolery.
7
The popularity of this show and shows like Baby Boo Hoo or Duck Dynasty are a reflection of the state of the USA. Trash, no matter how you look at it.
4
Where they belong - flipping burgers, giving manicures or working in the oldest profession.
6
Why insult hard working people with this remark?
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How sad that you selected Mother's Day to feature this greedy, self-absorbed woman who is consumed with instilling these same traits in her children. I would have found it much more inspirational to read about mothers who are raising their children to be loving, caring individuals who care about their communities and improving the lives of others. This Mother's Day let's celebrate mothers like Michelle Obama, Laura Bush, Melinda Gates, Christy Turlington, Jennifer Garner, mothers in Baltimore and Ferguson, mothers of young patients at St. Jude's, military moms. The children of these women give me a lot more confidence and hope about our future.
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Nothing about this family is off limits. Everything is commodified, from the most personal (sex tapes) to the trivial (Kardashian Glow). Everything has a price, and is for sale.
4
tom? bob? the little people all have the same name....
7
Television. No wonder my dearly departed mother used to call it the "idiot box."
8
I suppose if success is fame and money she has taught her children a valuable lesson but I don't envy her or her progeny. I have much more respect for parents who encourage education, giving back to society, developing a philosophy of life to help through the rough times. I find the Kardashians shallow with little to teach and essentially famous for nothing - I try to avoid them but they are all over the media.
7
Why is so much time, energy and attention paid to these people? They seem to serve no worthwhile purpose and - perhaps, the greatest sin - they are boring.
10
w/out Kris Jenner, they would be 99.9% less self-absorbed.
5
Kris has decided to live her life on camera and apparently many, many people have decided to watch it. If you do not agree with her family or her decisions, don't watch. The companies she has marketing deals with and broadcast deals with are obviously making a ton of money, otherwise they would not be in business together. She is a smart woman who made a decision many years ago that this was her journey and this is what was best for her family. It seems to me that they have a very loving family, and I wish them all continued success and a happy journey!
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I wish they'd make that journey in private. Not on my television or my supermarket check out line or the front page of a newspaper I pay for.
2
I am so sick of being exposed to this "family" that I want to hide under a rock until the checkout line in the grocery store allows me to bypass the "social" media hid amongst the Orbit gum and the Snickers.
Funny, I haven't eaten Snickers lately......
Funny, I haven't eaten Snickers lately......
5
My answer to the rhetorical question, where would the Kardashians be without Kris Jenner, is I don't know, but I'd like to live in a world where it was so.
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So, who cares. Most people I know don't.
Talent-absent
Acting-absent
So why are they even on TV and in the media?
I have little problem wit the media but even having them in the public eye is just strange unneeded and unwarranted.
Talent-absent
Acting-absent
So why are they even on TV and in the media?
I have little problem wit the media but even having them in the public eye is just strange unneeded and unwarranted.
9
Not sure what the point is of running this article. Are we supposed to admire this career path?
11
I'm still waiting for someone to explain to me why I care about a group of people who, with the exception of Bruce(?) Jenner, have accomplished little and are famous simply for being famous. Come on, world, their fifteen minutes are up.
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I have never watched the show, but my hat is off to Kris Jenner. She took a brand (her family), did a fabulous job marketing it, and has made a fortune. Furthermore, for whatever reason, Americans bought it.
So stop griping and sniping at her product. All of you commenters should do as well as Kris.
So stop griping and sniping at her product. All of you commenters should do as well as Kris.
2
why in the world is the nyt providing yet more coverage to this wretched family? what exactly is their contribution to society -- other than a mother's endless machinations to monetize her daughters' desperate need for attention.
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Apparently people who actually bring some value to American society were to busy doing their good work improving literacy, bringing health care, or simply trying to improve the rights for women that we are stuck with boring profiles of these self-important, utterly talentless personalities who illuminate the utter wasteland of television---then again I said rap would never last, and it does give me hope that my proposed reality show, "The Shark Whisperer Who Sells Tattooed Prostheses" might be green-lighted---the product placement opportunities are seemingly endless? One can always dream.
5
Without fawning media, where would the Kardashians be?
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If Kris Kardashian Jenner had married an auto mechanic or plumber -- no offense to those professions intended -- America would be in blissful ignorance of her existence.
This piece completely ignores the essential fact that her success can be laid at the feet of the men she married. (Who can forget Bob Kardashian standing by OJ, waiting for the verdict, and his draw dropping in shock at the not guilty verdict?) Kardashian gave her access to money and Beverly Hills/LA social life and connections, however bored she became with him, the house, the kids and tennis dates with OJ and Nicole.
After their divorce she hooked onto Bruce Jenner. He may not have been at the top of his career, but he was a household name, an Olympic champion, had regular work as an Olympic commentator, and media and social connections.
Oldest story in the world, isn't it?
As for business acumen, no doubt she did work hard, but she had material to work with by marriage.
Have never seen the show; am embarrassed by the sight of Kim, portrayed as some sort of American icon, across the world; and think of the Kardashian daughters as the spawn of OJ's buddy, with misspelled first names -- K's replacing the letter C.
That says it all.
Except, I don't expect to read about any of them in the NYT.
This piece completely ignores the essential fact that her success can be laid at the feet of the men she married. (Who can forget Bob Kardashian standing by OJ, waiting for the verdict, and his draw dropping in shock at the not guilty verdict?) Kardashian gave her access to money and Beverly Hills/LA social life and connections, however bored she became with him, the house, the kids and tennis dates with OJ and Nicole.
After their divorce she hooked onto Bruce Jenner. He may not have been at the top of his career, but he was a household name, an Olympic champion, had regular work as an Olympic commentator, and media and social connections.
Oldest story in the world, isn't it?
As for business acumen, no doubt she did work hard, but she had material to work with by marriage.
Have never seen the show; am embarrassed by the sight of Kim, portrayed as some sort of American icon, across the world; and think of the Kardashian daughters as the spawn of OJ's buddy, with misspelled first names -- K's replacing the letter C.
That says it all.
Except, I don't expect to read about any of them in the NYT.
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Boy you know an awful lot about people you don't care about.
2
The popularity of the Kardashian's is a sad commentary on pathetic state American culture. Obviously, a LOT of Americans do not have a life.
4
I think they're using a merchandising strategy I heard about employed by Cheetos and other similar snack foods. Basically these snacks are 99% air - I mean nothing there. What this does is trigger some kind of primitive gratification center in your brain to reach for the next cheeto even before you finish chewing the one currently in your mouth. The lack of any real content is in this instance the great driver of consumption. It's a brilliant strategy where people are trying to fill their emptiness by consuming emptiness resulting in endless consumption and ka-ching! - endless profits. Wow! Capitalism! - the great driver of innovation.
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THE SEX TAPE TAPE WAS WITH "RAY J"? Mom must be so proud. The kardashians are such beautiful people and they do work very, very hard at it.
1
What do these people do to justify their continued existence?
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never seen the show and they don't live next door! yay
3
I have never seen one of the 5,198 telecasts. I didnt' know what any of them looked like until I read their captions on the photo in the article.
1
I don't know what everyone's problem with this story. It's probably one of the most interesting, well written and entertaining stories so far this year from this newspaper that is generally not fit to wrap fish in.
The world's news is as gloomy as you can get and this crazy (like foxes) family offers some people some relief, not much different in some ways than Mark Twain offered relief from the dreadful war news and death lists published in his day. And they put his stories on the front page (over the fold). How is this any more crazy that watching grown men playing football or baseball, and then having newspapers report on each aspect in detail.? or paying $1,000 for nosebleed seats to watch two men in a slugfest that was more hype than this family could produce? Or paying $100 million dollars for a splatter painting and calling it high art? Why should anyone care? If it makes people happy then what's the problem?
I still wonder why the intro to Mighty Mouse cartoons had him beating up a horse and a Mexican and no one complained.
The world's news is as gloomy as you can get and this crazy (like foxes) family offers some people some relief, not much different in some ways than Mark Twain offered relief from the dreadful war news and death lists published in his day. And they put his stories on the front page (over the fold). How is this any more crazy that watching grown men playing football or baseball, and then having newspapers report on each aspect in detail.? or paying $1,000 for nosebleed seats to watch two men in a slugfest that was more hype than this family could produce? Or paying $100 million dollars for a splatter painting and calling it high art? Why should anyone care? If it makes people happy then what's the problem?
I still wonder why the intro to Mighty Mouse cartoons had him beating up a horse and a Mexican and no one complained.
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I haven't had a TV in ten years so I've been blissfully ignorant of the K's. Of course I've heard of them and sometimes intended to ask one of my TV-owning friends just who these people were,. But I never got around to it so I was happy today to read this article. It gave me everything I ever wanted to know about them. Now I hope never to hear of them again.
6
One word: Grotesque.
4
Kardashian saturation cannot descend fast enough.
These people do nothing but tricks to make the media cover them.
Really, what is there? A struggle to stay more or less trim, aggressive eye makeup, perfect hair (by some stds), vast patches of bare skin, bared legs, partially bared bosoms, and crackly faux male voices.
They do no sports. barring maybe shuffleboard, create no art, utter no witticisms, evince no intelligence or general awareness, say nothing original, and do little but attend parties and talk to the media.
One's recent appearance at the Armenian Massacre commemoration was an obvious try at breaking out of personal monotony, but it seemed to have no carryover.
These people do nothing but tricks to make the media cover them.
Really, what is there? A struggle to stay more or less trim, aggressive eye makeup, perfect hair (by some stds), vast patches of bare skin, bared legs, partially bared bosoms, and crackly faux male voices.
They do no sports. barring maybe shuffleboard, create no art, utter no witticisms, evince no intelligence or general awareness, say nothing original, and do little but attend parties and talk to the media.
One's recent appearance at the Armenian Massacre commemoration was an obvious try at breaking out of personal monotony, but it seemed to have no carryover.
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i wish i had that global marketing genius and apply it to a more humanely significant cause.
2
gosh… that must be oodles of make up and hair and botox and whatever.
just not my style.
just not my style.
1
Isn't this "reality" show just a tarted up version of Duck Dynasty?
3
Kristen Mary Jenner Kardashian, nee Houghton is the most interesting member of the family, self made, self taught entrepreneur. HAPPY MOTHER'S DAY
3
"Where Would the Kardashians Be Without Krist Jenner?" Well, they wouldn't be all over the news, hawking perfume and selling themselves. It's frustrating to read about the plight of so many people in need around the globe, and then read about Kris Jenner telling someone named Bob that it's the same name as Tom. This is an awful group of people who've taken advantage of so many willing to buy into their nonsense. And that would almost be fine, free choice and all, but they've infected the greater society that wishes they would go away. Now.
5
Thank you America for bestowing on the rest of the world this drivel......Anything you open on the internet you can't help but have them shoved down our throats which tantamount to a kind of torture....There is absolutely nothing I repeat nothing to be learnt from these...In fact people with an iq of a dungbeetle have sometime hurt themselves due to surgeries or physical altering procedures....Is there anytime in the not so distant future you'll plan to stop with this drivel ??? Do let us know.....
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The karditzians are tabloid journalism. I cringe when NYT (NPR) or other supposedly intelligent news sources lower their standards to cover these self-promoting, all-about-me (who cares?) materialistic people. I feel sorry for the audience they cater to; that they believe anything is real life about these narcissistic people. Saw the headline, did not read the article though cringed enough to submit a comment.
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What a splendid and important article. Now I'm looking forward to the NYT follow-up analysis of how the Honey Boo Boo family enterprise crashed and burned.
6
I really want an investigative piece of what happens after the light goes off.
Just remember before K/J family there was Hilton fiasco, is it fish or chicken (remember Jessica), the OZ family, and many other families that were very powerful in their days...the K/J family are doing great for their families now...but I just wish they are banking all these money because really things change in a snap on tv and very soon there will be another family, younger and wilder....
Other than that, no one will be talking about this in few years...so yeah even NYT needs to latch on some advertisement - Costco is calling!
Just remember before K/J family there was Hilton fiasco, is it fish or chicken (remember Jessica), the OZ family, and many other families that were very powerful in their days...the K/J family are doing great for their families now...but I just wish they are banking all these money because really things change in a snap on tv and very soon there will be another family, younger and wilder....
Other than that, no one will be talking about this in few years...so yeah even NYT needs to latch on some advertisement - Costco is calling!
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The responses here are fascinating. And the questions about where we are as a culture more so. Every American family dynasty whose name you know ( Rockefeller, Getty, Bush, etc ) started somewhere. Yes, many were titans of industry. But this is the Information Age. Or maybe even the Social Age. And her method of climbing to the top involves just as much hard work, scrappiness, ingenuity, and yes stepping over other people. It also involves serious social, media and networking skills. Ok, it's not building railroads or infrastructure. But it creates jobs. And it's very likely her descendants, some of whom will be educated in elite private schools, will take a different path afforded to them by their wealth and they too will become philanthropists, have names on plaques and wings in colleges or hospitals. It is in every way exactly what America is and has always been about, wether you like it or not. I'll take them over the Bush's, thanks.
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True. There will be no Iraq adventure under a reign of the Ks! Example:
Being from the west, I knew that they were of Armenian heritage from the first time I saw the name (the "ian"). I have to admit that one of the funniest experiences (in the sense of making something "fun" out of a rotten situation) was when I was waiting in the ER for an apendectomy under the influence of morphine--she who I larned was Khloe was trying to convince her then husband, the hapless Lamar Odom (sitting on Dallas' bench with a 9 million contract) that he should not play for a Turkish team "because of the Armenians." Poor Lamar was as clueless as Khloe as she tried to "explain" "Turks bad, Armenians, good" clearly not knowing the slightest thing about the Armenian genocide.
To top off the morphine induced hilarity was the fact that both, so inarticulate in English, required subtitles!
Being from the west, I knew that they were of Armenian heritage from the first time I saw the name (the "ian"). I have to admit that one of the funniest experiences (in the sense of making something "fun" out of a rotten situation) was when I was waiting in the ER for an apendectomy under the influence of morphine--she who I larned was Khloe was trying to convince her then husband, the hapless Lamar Odom (sitting on Dallas' bench with a 9 million contract) that he should not play for a Turkish team "because of the Armenians." Poor Lamar was as clueless as Khloe as she tried to "explain" "Turks bad, Armenians, good" clearly not knowing the slightest thing about the Armenian genocide.
To top off the morphine induced hilarity was the fact that both, so inarticulate in English, required subtitles!
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I wonder how can they live with themselves---such largesse while our country crumbles? I suppose they think their millions have been "earned."
4
I ponder how the rest of the world views the US because of the Kardashians. It can't be good.
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Do you ponder how the rest of the world views the USA because of the Clintons, Obamas, Bushes, Cheney?
1
Is this what the "makers" of the 21st century look like? Granted, they hire a lot of people directly and their various enterprises provide further opportunities, .
I'm sure those millions contribute to the balance of trade somehow, but I wonder what the Kardashian empire really says about the USA.. It does give new meaning to the term "work ethic."
I'm sure those millions contribute to the balance of trade somehow, but I wonder what the Kardashian empire really says about the USA.. It does give new meaning to the term "work ethic."
1
Why does any of this matter?
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I agree people are tried of them and what does that say about our society? I change the station on the TV or skip articles like this one when it is about them. They have no talent at all, PLEASE enough about them and Bruce boy or girl or what ever. PS I have read this article.
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A more interesting title for this article would be Where Would America Be without Any Kardashians? In a better place.
I don't have cable so I have not seen the show. But just this week I was reading an online aggregate newsfeed and one of the articles was " Scott Disick's View on Pubic Hair". The accompanying video showed the boyfriend of the eldest Kardashian pregnant sister lying in a tub while he shaved her pubic hair. I was stupefied, dumbfounded and disgusted. Really? This is a deal negotiated by the matriarch of this dysfunctional, materialistic, narcissistic family, filmed for public
consumption. Wow. This is what I have been missing and will continue to miss.
Is there no shame anymore? Anywhere?
I don't have cable so I have not seen the show. But just this week I was reading an online aggregate newsfeed and one of the articles was " Scott Disick's View on Pubic Hair". The accompanying video showed the boyfriend of the eldest Kardashian pregnant sister lying in a tub while he shaved her pubic hair. I was stupefied, dumbfounded and disgusted. Really? This is a deal negotiated by the matriarch of this dysfunctional, materialistic, narcissistic family, filmed for public
consumption. Wow. This is what I have been missing and will continue to miss.
Is there no shame anymore? Anywhere?
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This makes me very happy that I don't watch television. Conversely, why am I reading this story??? Buyer's remorse.
5
Besides the food, the wine, the culture, the beauty of the country etc. another great reason for living in France for the past few years has been the possibility of almost entirely avoiding any mention of the Kardashians from sun up to sundown. Why does the New York Times now seem determined to spoil this idyll by giving them and their posse so much coverage?
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I think this sort of business was invented by Hugh Hefner, who must have said to himself, "How can I finance the lifestyle I want?" And the answer was, "By publishing a magazine that allows people to watch me lead the lifestyle I want."
While I find the Kardashians crushingly dull and boring, I have to admire Kris Jenner's business ability, just as I admired Hugh Hefner's. It's creating something out of nothing.
While I find the Kardashians crushingly dull and boring, I have to admire Kris Jenner's business ability, just as I admired Hugh Hefner's. It's creating something out of nothing.
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I have never watched any of their shows but this family with no talent refuses to let us be. Not possible to go to any grocery store, drug store or even public library to have the K`s display themselves and stare at our faces.
Only person with talent at one time was Mr. Bruce Jenner..now without him hope the K`s go away.
Only person with talent at one time was Mr. Bruce Jenner..now without him hope the K`s go away.
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It depends how you define "talent". While politicians like the president (and that's any president, basically) keep talking about our scientists, farmers, teachers, doctors, firefighters, the people keep choosing this sort of family, and other such brainless exploitation and titillation as representative of American culture today much more than all those people who actually have talent. They are egged on by other politicians and talk show celebrities who encourage brainlessness not as a way to unwind physically and mentally but as a 24/7 mindset, to be prioritized as something essentially American and good. When I can sit and watch a so-called reality show and have no answer for "Why in the world don't these rich dolts just/ just not do X and the problem would go away?" I am completely annoyed by the show and turn it off. Ms. Jenner has perfectly good personal reasons for foisting all of this crotch-etyness on the public. She and her family get rich just for being willing to bare all, sometimes literally, and gloss it up as though it is telling us something useful or even interesting about family relationships. Anyone who thinks it is worthwhile to spend time following the exploits of the Kardashians can hardly take the president and his family seriously, for example. Indeed, one is encouraged to bash the mother in the Obama family for daring to be a public proponent for nutrition and exercise while the sleaze of KJ and all those KK's is given a pass by the same people.
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This article should be in the Science section. I do mourn the shallowness of direction the New York Times is taking with articles about people like these and an earlier article on Beyonce. It's bad enough Anna Wintour has degraded the Met Galas with invitations to them, but hey, she works for Vogue.
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The results of American industrial output, at one point in our history, were our exports to the world. With the decline of manufacturing, American exports became intellectual and cultural properties. Now, thanks to the Kardashians and the Bravo TV brain trust that coined the term "affluencers", America exports our cultural pornography to the world. 2015 America, these people are our face to the world...
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The only talent these grifters have is marketing to an audience of sheep!
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don't insult sheep....try slugs or amoebas...or maybe a laboratory pithed frog...it is really brain dead but its reflexes make it seem alive.
This family is everything I don't want my family to be - they don't seem to have any values rather than making as much money as possible. Their whole life is dedicated to themselves, their bodies, their houses, their money. Have any of them had any kind of education? Have they ever read a book? Have they ever helped anyone else, off camera, who could do nothing for them? It's frightening to think of people watching them and wanting to be like them. Full disclosure: I have never watched the show but have read about them constantly in newspapers. Why?
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Have they ever helped anyone else, off camera, who could do nothing for them?
The summation of all you write. Not the summation of the beliefs of the Armenian Orthodox, Protestant and Roman Catholic Churches, in which this family supposedly grew up. In Matthew 6:2, Jesus reminds us that we should not help others in order to inflate our own reputations or otherwise seek reward for our charity. Ms. Jenner claims: "...the family's Christian faith was passed down to Kim and her sisters." But even this is self-centered. She has further said that the revelation of one of her daughters' involvement in a porn movie hurt her badly but that her faith helped her get through it. As far as I know, she made no mention of how the mothers of the other participants in the movie might have felt. Personally, if the KK's want to make porn, hey, it's a free country, as long as they do it freely and are not coerced. But if you are going to be shocked (despite encouraging your children to step on the line where porn begins -- how can you really be surprised when one of them stumbles on to the other side) and hurt, why only when your own daughter is involved, particularly when you have the financial resources to play a bigger role? Maybe Ms. Jenner has. Does anyone know if Ms. Jenner uses her fame and wealth to promote anti-pornography legislation to protect those in the industry who were coerced into it or have no other way to survive?
The summation of all you write. Not the summation of the beliefs of the Armenian Orthodox, Protestant and Roman Catholic Churches, in which this family supposedly grew up. In Matthew 6:2, Jesus reminds us that we should not help others in order to inflate our own reputations or otherwise seek reward for our charity. Ms. Jenner claims: "...the family's Christian faith was passed down to Kim and her sisters." But even this is self-centered. She has further said that the revelation of one of her daughters' involvement in a porn movie hurt her badly but that her faith helped her get through it. As far as I know, she made no mention of how the mothers of the other participants in the movie might have felt. Personally, if the KK's want to make porn, hey, it's a free country, as long as they do it freely and are not coerced. But if you are going to be shocked (despite encouraging your children to step on the line where porn begins -- how can you really be surprised when one of them stumbles on to the other side) and hurt, why only when your own daughter is involved, particularly when you have the financial resources to play a bigger role? Maybe Ms. Jenner has. Does anyone know if Ms. Jenner uses her fame and wealth to promote anti-pornography legislation to protect those in the industry who were coerced into it or have no other way to survive?
How totally revolting and tedious to even have to see this in my beloved Times. Were all the valid, worthy, interesting subjects for such an in-depth feature not returning any calls last week or something?
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What a wonderful read. I love Brodesser-Akners journalistic style. I always wondered why i was not one of the millions who watched the Kardashian reality show. After reading this I now have all my questions answered. And I still have no desire to watch the show. The only thing that really interests me is Bruce. I remember him winning the gold. I remember him reading about him while munching Wheaties. And now that Brodesser-Akner has explained the life of Bruce within the shadow of his controlling wife and surrounded by narcissistic woman and girls, I understand why he is transgendering--he feels left out wants the same kind of attention!
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Trashy?
Shallow?
Well, they all seem pretty happy and they're not hurting anyone.
You don't have to watch if you don't want to. (I don't.)
But they work hard and they seem to live an American dream, even while it's scorned by the highbrow (ha!) readers of this paper.
Moreover, they give work to a lot of people who are grateful for it.
Only self-important, jealous snobs ought to look down on them.
They're a part of what's great about America.
Shallow?
Well, they all seem pretty happy and they're not hurting anyone.
You don't have to watch if you don't want to. (I don't.)
But they work hard and they seem to live an American dream, even while it's scorned by the highbrow (ha!) readers of this paper.
Moreover, they give work to a lot of people who are grateful for it.
Only self-important, jealous snobs ought to look down on them.
They're a part of what's great about America.
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I am not sure "great" is exactly the right word...
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I suppose the colon is likewise part of what's great about the human body.
I agree. But they are hurting animals by wearing real fur, aside from Khloe, who posed nude for Peta in an anti-fur campaign. (I know way too much about them!)
Please tell me there will be a Celebrity Bubble and all of these people will vanish from sight soon. Celebrities are everywhere. They are on the covers of all magazines, they have front row seats at sporting events and the camera shows them more than the sporting event, they are on commercials with voice and image, they give me tours of museums, write children books,cook books, memoirs, and on an on. It feels like there are just 200 people in the world.
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Never watched the show. Am kind of annoyed by the whole phenomenon. But in the way that a person might grudgingly admire immigrants who start with nothing and build a racket running numbers as their version of the American dream, you can see a certain genius in what the Kardashian's have accomplished. They play outsized, dumbed-down versions of themselves so that their fans, many of whom probably cannot afford nice things of their own, can still feel smart enough to be part of their glamorous world, if only for an hour. Are the Kardashians rocket scientists? No. Are they smarter than a lot of people give them credit for? Absolutely.
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Edifying to see that she studied at Paris's knee. Not to be confused with Paris's Sorbonne - in case any readers needed clarification.
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I read the entire article, and now I am slightly ashamed that I wasted my time on these entities.
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She sounds like a very strong woman. That is a fabulous way to be.
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I can't imagine why the Times believes there is a new business model here - pimping out your children is at least as old as the bible.
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Good God, grant me surcease from this clan!
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Really NYT? Don't care about these folks whatsoever. We already have People magazine for such profiles.
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Like it or not, the Kardashians are very much part of the zeitgeist. While I'm left with an icky feeling after even watching the show for more than a few minutes, the Kardashians represent the current culture: selfie-obsessed narcissists all just waiting for our own 15 minutes.
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Based on what I read in these comments, the New York Times pays absolutely no attention to the interests and desires of a major fraction of their readership. The fact that this kind of celebrity nonsense is paying service to this family of talentless exploiters' need for attention and income is shameful!
I don't subscribe for this kind of loss of quality and discernment.
I don't subscribe for this kind of loss of quality and discernment.
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So tired of this family.
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It can be an ugly world out there and for K to bare the most intimate parts of her family life to the masses is dangerous imo. Sure the girls live in a little bubble where life is sweet, easy and insulated. But the risk is real for attracting degenerates, creeps, stalkers and worse to their door. No wonder panic attacks suffered by Kylie are a frequent complaint on KUWTK,
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Why do you think they live in a sweet, easy and insulated bubble. The fact that Kylie suffers from panic attacks would negate your premise.
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Lighten up readers!
I've only watched a few short online clips of the K show, and early on, decided it isn't for me (along with reality TV in general). Somehow though, I find Kim and company an interesting phenom and enjoy reading about them, including this article. Really, I'd prefer following the upfront K Klan -- rather than having to hear about the dishonest Clinton Clan -- any day ;>).
I've only watched a few short online clips of the K show, and early on, decided it isn't for me (along with reality TV in general). Somehow though, I find Kim and company an interesting phenom and enjoy reading about them, including this article. Really, I'd prefer following the upfront K Klan -- rather than having to hear about the dishonest Clinton Clan -- any day ;>).
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Someone has to throw in some political comment. What makes you think Kim is upfront?
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Are those your only two choices?
Really? The Clintons and the Clinton Foundation have raised hundreds of millions of dollars for the eradication of disease in Africa and for other charitable purposes. Bill Clinton served as Attorney General and Governor of Arkansas and had a fairly successful two-term Presidency of the United States. Hillary Clinton was an accomplished attorney, First Lady, U.S. Senator and Secretary of State. While obviously not perfect, they have an impressive set of accomplishments.
Against this the Kardashian family has done what? Yes, they appear to have made a lot of money, but doing what? A sex tape, some merchandise lines, appearances at night clubs, being paid to tweet endorsements of products, being paid for a "reality" show. I've seen some episodes of that show, and there's little, if any, honesty to it. Most of the drama is created.
You may enjoy following this "Klan"--and you're welcome to it--but there's nothing "upfront" about them and to compare them to the Clintons as you do is beyond ridiculous.
Against this the Kardashian family has done what? Yes, they appear to have made a lot of money, but doing what? A sex tape, some merchandise lines, appearances at night clubs, being paid to tweet endorsements of products, being paid for a "reality" show. I've seen some episodes of that show, and there's little, if any, honesty to it. Most of the drama is created.
You may enjoy following this "Klan"--and you're welcome to it--but there's nothing "upfront" about them and to compare them to the Clintons as you do is beyond ridiculous.
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Without a doubt, this family is the personification of our country's culture; if our country has any culture to call its own..
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Not our country's culture - rather, the culture of some in this country. Millions find this clan's antics to be somewhere between sickening and exploitative with a liberal side helping of sleaze; I'm pleased to count myself among them.
What is interesting to me is the stark difference between the facial expressions of the entire family in the two pictures: the promotional shot and the last shot.
In the promotional shot we see all the family members smiling openly at the camera. In the last shot only Kris is left truly smiling(and all the men are missing from the picture). If nothing else, this shows very well the price that the family had to pay to be rich and famous and we know exactly who is laughing all the way to the bank.
In the promotional shot we see all the family members smiling openly at the camera. In the last shot only Kris is left truly smiling(and all the men are missing from the picture). If nothing else, this shows very well the price that the family had to pay to be rich and famous and we know exactly who is laughing all the way to the bank.
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A tooth-whitening endorsement was nixed because it was "too cheesy", but a daughter's sex tape is A-okay?
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Her mother thought a sex tape was A-okay? Are you sure?
I think a more appropriate title for this piece would be "Where Does Kris Jenner Want You to Think the Kardashians Would Be Without Kris Jenner?," and it bothers me that I found a piece of this nature in the NYTimes. An actual investigative piece on this topic might be interesting... one needs only read the recent account by Bruce Jenner's previous wife to see that there is a lot more to the story than "Bruce and Kris fell in love, and they both had kids and wanted more."
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Wait, and how many of her kids finished college? How many assisted in a cure for cancer, or poverty, or anything. Let's not celebrate shallowness, regardless of show ratings. We have become the lowest common denominator in entertainment and education. Shame on the NYT for promoting vacuousness over accomplishment. I don't give a darn about Kim's big butt, because her butt only emphasizes how small her whiney brain is.
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How many degrees do you have? Did you assist in a cure for cancer, poverty or anything?
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I thought it was a fascinating article about a person and family I'am indifferent towards. My point on reading this was to see how she got started and when she was taken seriously enough to be given a break.
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Well, THAT was interesting. I've heard the name "Kardashian" many times before but I thought it was the name of a billionaire financier. And the name Bruce Jenner hasn't crossed my consciousness since I was a child in the 70s. Now I know what he was doing. This is the long-term effect of quitting television completely, a decision I made on September 11, 2001. I think I'm much better off for it.
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On the one hand, Kim Kardashian's popularity has made me feel more comfortable about my own big posterior and large breasts. She made me feel unashamed to have these body parts. On the other hand, where she criticized her mother for the way she dressed on Twitter, saying it looked "Omish" it was a grim reminder of how this family devalues education, devalues anything beyond what they look like. I find it depressing that this is what has become of American culture.
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Omish was serious? K. does not know the word "Amish."
Don't confuse television trash with culture.
Forget Kris Jenner and the Kardashians. You know what's really a clear sign of the declining intelligence of the American public? People who rush to comment on articles they haven't read.
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@srs: Visually bludgeoned as we are by magazine covers at the checkout counters of supermarkets and drugstores, all trumpeting some aspect or other of this family's inane antics, behaviors, and mode of dress (or undress), it is utterly unnecessary to read this article in order to comment on it!
Ms. Jenner may have conned the Times into giving her coverage, but I will not be conned by the Times into wasting time reading about a woman and a family whose "achievements" are mostly about things they ought to be ashamed of (if anyone in that family knew what "shame" means).
Ms. Jenner may have conned the Times into giving her coverage, but I will not be conned by the Times into wasting time reading about a woman and a family whose "achievements" are mostly about things they ought to be ashamed of (if anyone in that family knew what "shame" means).
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They're pathetic.
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Another flood is coming I am sure ... To eradicate us all because of the fame and wealth given to the Kadashians. We should be ashamed!
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Never heard of them. Another reason to unbundle cable.
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"Kris herself had a QVC line, Kris Jenner Kollection; a tooth-whitening endorsement (that she regrets: “too cheesy”)..."
Well! I could not have imagined that anything was too cheesy for these trashy people. Kris Jenner is a madam who has pimped out her family. I can't imagine why they don't feel exploited, except that they grew up like this.
Well! I could not have imagined that anything was too cheesy for these trashy people. Kris Jenner is a madam who has pimped out her family. I can't imagine why they don't feel exploited, except that they grew up like this.
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The fact that this family is so widely featured and so popular is a scorching indictment of how shallow, immature, cliquish, and morally bankrupt the American public really is.
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I would not go that far. I think there are more unfavorable feelings about this family than favorable. Read the comments. Rather harsh indictments. I'm glad I don't watch television, the 'vast wasteland'.
Superb business acumen, you must admit. That's the real story.
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Then the Times should have run this piece in the Business Section.
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Despite all the comments, I think that was the point of the article.
I used to be tormented by their self-promotion / trash-news on Yahoo, but at least there I was able to block non-news about them. It appears that the only way to have their trash-news on NY Times is to cancel the subscription. Which will be the next step. I think there are things that are news worthy that could be addressed.
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What a waste of space!!!!!
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Kris didn't see "Taffy" coming for her at all. She probably thought it was going to be a puff piece. This article is juicier than a COSTCO chicken. NY Times Editors: I appreciate your insightful views on the earthquakes in Nepal, the 2016 Presidential Race, even your insane NYC Real Estate articles on Studios that cost $2 million but come with a Pilates class - but this article has made my weekend. My friend and I are rolling in fits of laughter in our prospective offices on a Friday afternoon. Thanks!
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I've never seen the show but have heard of it any number of times. Apparently even NYT covers it. Why? I guess, because I'm not going to bother to read the whole article, I'll never know. Doubt I'll ever care. Jenner aside, who are these people? What are they famous for? What do they do other than look fabulous? (I know they look fabulous because of the article's pics.)
'Spain it to me, because otherwise I will never know.
'Spain it to me, because otherwise I will never know.
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Commenting on pop culture is not reducing oneself to becoming tabloid. That was a great read, Taffy Brodesser-Aknar, with lots of astute and funny observations - and this coming from someone who is only familiar with the Ks through random commentary. Well done.
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Now if only you were the NY Post, where this belongs, you would have titled this Money Boo-Boo
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Is she the best example on this mother's day weekend issue,really NYT??????
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Much like the implosion of the Loud Family of American Family in the PBS 1971 series, if you put any family under the scrutiny of the camera 24/7 eventually they merely become media driven aberrations of family and celebrity. These programs are instructive in that they demonstrate that the approach by media in U.S. culture is incredibly destructive. Reality programs like these are driven by machinations of greed and vanity rather than by any sense of community purpose or deeper meaning. A shame more television networks and producers don't seek real content challenges and instead play to the lowest common denominator with this low-budget garbage.
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I expect MORE from the New York Times than coverage of this -trash-.
If I wanted to read about the Kardashians there are many more tawdry sites
I might set as my home page.
You may lower your standards. -I- will not
If I wanted to read about the Kardashians there are many more tawdry sites
I might set as my home page.
You may lower your standards. -I- will not
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The most shocking tidbit of this piece: Nordstrom is selling their baby line! Good god, they've drunk the Kool-Aid too.....
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I was thinking the same thing.....Nordstrom, please.....
Is this the death rattle of the NYT magazine?
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This week's New Yorker Magazine includes a thought-provoking essay by Dr. Atul Gawande on "the waste and the danger of unnecessary [medical] care." And in the NYT Magazine an article about the Queen (?) of Commerce, Kris Jenner. From the sublime to the ridiculous. Why is the NYT keeping up with these shallow, self-absorbed people? Why are you shilling their tawdry circus act? I would rather read about Chris Christie, and that is saying something!
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The NYT does this piece because the K's apparent success offers a fascinating insight into who we are as the people. People in show business typically offer an accentuated view, a reflection, a mirror, on the people (us) that enable their success.
For the open minded, looking at the piece from that angle is insightful.
For the open minded, looking at the piece from that angle is insightful.
It is particularly perverse that the Times features this "mother" in the magazine section on Mother's Day. You could scarcely have picked a worse example of motherhood than Ms. Jenner.
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I could understand this story in the business section.
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Oh, NYT, must you pander to this boring, worthless clan too? Is there no escape from these cheesy women? They're as unavoidable as the bad smell of a polluted atmosphere. Who CARES?
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It's so banal! Let's hope they turn to philanthropy in the near future. don't forget that even Anna Wintour succumbed and invited them to the Met Gala this year.
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She is certainly a woman of great accomplishment & the story is right out of Dallas & Dynasty.
Interested or not they have become unavoidable - we have observed this family on every magazine/tabloid cover & talk show for a decade; not to mention their weddings, divorces and businesses and the ever present branding of the K name.
Do the editors really think that there is anything for us to learn about these people? Or that the readers are interested in this?
Interested or not they have become unavoidable - we have observed this family on every magazine/tabloid cover & talk show for a decade; not to mention their weddings, divorces and businesses and the ever present branding of the K name.
Do the editors really think that there is anything for us to learn about these people? Or that the readers are interested in this?
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Repulsive. Waste of print. Did NYT and People decide to merge? What gives?
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Sweeping floors, that's where they should be - that is the only talent they have.
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Just curious: is The Times also planning to do a magazine story on one of New York's own higher-class brothel proprietors? After all, even with the Times Square clean-up our fair city still has plenty of its own resident ladies of the evening. What do the Kardashians have that our own Callipygians do not?
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Dear Stu,
Aha but I believe they did quite a series on that, right about when Gov. Spitzer was ushered out of office.
Aha but I believe they did quite a series on that, right about when Gov. Spitzer was ushered out of office.
Why on earth does anyone care about these people? You have wasted valuable magazine space!
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It entertains the common mob Christine and that's what our country's all about; entertaining the common mob. After all, you don't have to think that much if you're always being entertained.
Third attempt at comments:
Alongside this article is a teaser for recipes entitled, "Grilled and Cheesy." Perfect pairing.
Alongside this article is a teaser for recipes entitled, "Grilled and Cheesy." Perfect pairing.
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I've never watched the show and likely never will. Very bizarre.
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I don't watch the show but this article and the comments are INCREDIBLE FOOD FOR THOUGHT! What does this say about the American public? Scary!
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"Where would the Kardashians be without Kris Jenner"? In well-deserved obscurity, that's where!
WHY does the Times waste any time or space on these people? Isn't there someone positive you could write about? Someone with better morals, better values, and who wants more out of life than "celebrity"?
I have NOT read this article and I will not read it, because that would be a waste of MY time. But I am commenting because the fact that you're publishing this article is one more reason the NY Times magazine section gets tossed aside in my home nearly instantly since the latest design make-over (with accompanying content make-under).
WHY does the Times waste any time or space on these people? Isn't there someone positive you could write about? Someone with better morals, better values, and who wants more out of life than "celebrity"?
I have NOT read this article and I will not read it, because that would be a waste of MY time. But I am commenting because the fact that you're publishing this article is one more reason the NY Times magazine section gets tossed aside in my home nearly instantly since the latest design make-over (with accompanying content make-under).
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If you haven't read the article, why are you bothering to comment?
This story now explains why the Times gave her such a prominent place on Tuesday morning with their photos of the Met Gala Monday night. Unfortunately, NYX places synergy and vacuity as highly as this brood does.
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Oh relax all you so called 'intellectuals' with your huffy feathers all ruffled about this article. The truly thoughtful out there are curious and interested in this whole nutty world. Be cool, watch the show with an open mind. It actually could surprise you as it's most simply about a family. They're actually much nicer and far more loyal to each other than mine ever was..so, I find the show sort of interesting on that front. And my God, they have ginormous bottoms. That in itself is so startling every time they walk away from the camera, well, it's worth a watch!
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No, it's not.
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I don't watch the show and that's not because I feel like I'm above it all. It's because there are about a million billion fafillion more interesting things in this world to look at. Why would I choose to be bored and annoyed by watching people in whom I have zero interest? I'm not a masochist.
People who truly love to feel morally superior probably form a significant segment of the show's audience.
People who truly love to feel morally superior probably form a significant segment of the show's audience.
Kardashians? Who cares? And why? I find their appeal completely baffling. The people-watching is much more interesting if you buy a subway ticket and do some riding around, or take a rambling walk through the city to look at real people who are really living and really working.
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The irony is that the more people loathe them, the richer and more successful they become. The public’s antipathy is like oxygen to the working of their machine. While Kris will never be considered Mother of the Year, she has been clever enough to know that in times of economic hardship, many people want to escape into fantasy and mindlessness. Aspirational content (whether that centers on lifestyle, looks, money or power) has been around since the beginning of time and is a key element of their success. No doubt the Kardashians would have been just as popular during the Great Depression. Bread and circuses abound during times like these.
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If you view the show and the characters as a documentary of sorts, somehow resembling life forms higher than snails, then you're sad. The show is like watching Bozo the Clown wreak a train full of children. The only difference is that Kardashian's don't wear fake red noses. My apologies to Bozo and the snails.
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Don't give them ideas.
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Dear God, give me surcease from this clan! I skipped this entire article -- self-help. That's a start.
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The only thing interesting about this show is that so many people find it interesting.
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I fully realize that the NYT is a newspaper (print or digital), and that to survive you need to sell copies or get hits online... but come on! Surely ONE editor should have edited this non-story into actually worthwhile reading material. Maybe a piece on societal declining expectations of the term "celebrity" or "notoriety"?
If we are to hold in high esteem the exploitation of oneself and immediate family by any (and I do mean ANY) means possible to obtain our 30 pieces of silver, then yes, by all accounts put Kris Jenner and her clan on the front page of your publication each and every day.
Is this the new benchmark of "newsworthiness" that the NYT holds itself to these days? If so, then I will indeed keep buying the print edition of this paper... after all, the paper at the bottom of my canary cage does need regular changing.
If we are to hold in high esteem the exploitation of oneself and immediate family by any (and I do mean ANY) means possible to obtain our 30 pieces of silver, then yes, by all accounts put Kris Jenner and her clan on the front page of your publication each and every day.
Is this the new benchmark of "newsworthiness" that the NYT holds itself to these days? If so, then I will indeed keep buying the print edition of this paper... after all, the paper at the bottom of my canary cage does need regular changing.
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Part of the appeal of the Kardashians is undeniably that their vain, petty lives allow us viewers to feel superior. There are lots of ways to be rich, and they have chosen ways that are least likely to have a positive impact on anyone. It's sad and boring that none of them seem to be able to imagine that money can buy anything other than large, gaudy homes, plastic surgery, designer clothing, jewelry, cars and other meaningless trinkets. It's possible to have all of those things and still find time to have a more interesting existence, but they've made it their sole purpose.
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Think of their reality-tv lifestyle as a product which they are selling - and millions are avidly buying. There are many other products advertised in the NYT which have no positive impact on anyone but the purchasers and the sellers.
(If it matters, I have zero or negative interest in these K/J people and I only know about them because of the magazine covers in the racks at the grocery checkout)
However, a NYT article examining WHY the Kardashians are so avidly followed (or rather, purchased, in all but the flesh) would have been far more interesting.
(If it matters, I have zero or negative interest in these K/J people and I only know about them because of the magazine covers in the racks at the grocery checkout)
However, a NYT article examining WHY the Kardashians are so avidly followed (or rather, purchased, in all but the flesh) would have been far more interesting.
The Kardashian girls all had businesses before they became famous. They are intelligent business women. I do love watching them on television. They are a close knit family, and I respect the way they care for one another. They work hard for their money.
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"I do love watching them on television."
Just remember, time lost can never be made up. It is. gone forever--and on such a lowly endeavor no less.
Yes, the "family that plays [sic] together stays together" is an old saying but if one looks at long term groups,musical or otherwise, there is soon a parting of the ways, for many reasons. I've read that divorce sees an uptick around 7 or 8 years and they are heading into their 9th year so it is just a matter of time. Their Olympian hero has put on his wings much as Icarus did, and will soon make his journey towards the sun. There will be no Phoenix arising.
That is the start of the end and he/she becomes the news (at least Bruce was an accomplished athlete who earned his notoriety) for a while but the public will soon tire of gay/transgender/other as they did with the space program and many other things. Remember, the attention span of the viewing pubic is about 10 minutes--and now for a commercial break.
Just remember, time lost can never be made up. It is. gone forever--and on such a lowly endeavor no less.
Yes, the "family that plays [sic] together stays together" is an old saying but if one looks at long term groups,musical or otherwise, there is soon a parting of the ways, for many reasons. I've read that divorce sees an uptick around 7 or 8 years and they are heading into their 9th year so it is just a matter of time. Their Olympian hero has put on his wings much as Icarus did, and will soon make his journey towards the sun. There will be no Phoenix arising.
That is the start of the end and he/she becomes the news (at least Bruce was an accomplished athlete who earned his notoriety) for a while but the public will soon tire of gay/transgender/other as they did with the space program and many other things. Remember, the attention span of the viewing pubic is about 10 minutes--and now for a commercial break.
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Like most readers of the NYT I am an educated person who continuously strives to increase my awareness and intelligence. It is part of the reason I subscribe to the NYT. This article, what I read of it, is an insult to my intelligence. See I don't care about celebrity, I care about ideas, culture, our country and our world. Why pander to this nonsense? These people don't care about anything beyond themselves. So much wealth and no heart for the poor or sick or anything relevant. They are not worthy of such coverage. You guys let me down today.
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I thought the real value of the article was to show how far the country has fallen culturally, morally and intellectually. And in that it succeeds.
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Is that really something quantifiable? I'm sure if we took the time machine back to 1952, we would find plenty to blush and thrash our petticoats about.
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Joe Van Pr, you are a terrific writer, and so is Taffy Brodesser-Akner. I loved this piece, even though I've never watched a show with a Kardashian in it, aside from the Simpson trial, and I probably still won't.
And I remember 1952 pretty clearly. To a kid who had just learned to read, it seemed to be a mess of a time.
And I remember 1952 pretty clearly. To a kid who had just learned to read, it seemed to be a mess of a time.
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I do recall that old saying, "They are laughing all the way to the bank"!
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perhaps you recall this as well:
no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.
no one ever went broke underestimating the taste of the American public.
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It's as if P.T. Barnum was reincarnated into the 20th/21st century as Kris Jenner.
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Only without any actual entertaining acts.
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I think it's amazing that this tacky, vulgar classless family has somehow parlayed their lack of decency, and any real talent into a profitable enterprise. Not to mention their surgically enhanced faces. Interesting that there was no mention of this in the article.
The ratings don't lie, people are watching and I can assure you, not me. I did once out of curiosity but declined to continue, as I have no use for their "brand".
Was the release of the "tape" an accident or a calculated move by Kim? I think it was calculated.
In any case, they are giving a certain segment of our population what they need, junk and they're laughing at you while on their way to the bank.
Good for them!
The ratings don't lie, people are watching and I can assure you, not me. I did once out of curiosity but declined to continue, as I have no use for their "brand".
Was the release of the "tape" an accident or a calculated move by Kim? I think it was calculated.
In any case, they are giving a certain segment of our population what they need, junk and they're laughing at you while on their way to the bank.
Good for them!
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Maybe I'm missing something but I find Kris Kardashian and her family very phoney and boring.
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Barb, you've not missed anything that pretty much sums up what they are.
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Most Americans worship wealth and power, and shows like this serve it all on a silver platter. Just look at the current crop of reality shows. They are all a study of worship at the altar of consumerism. How many reality shows are about poor people?
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Catfish
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and "alaska gold hunters".
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"How many reality shows are about poor people?"
There will be more as each state begins to establish Hoovervilles everywhere, starting with Kansas. The news cycle will certainly change as the rich and famous focus on the hillbillies of........ while they are sailing on their yachts, while the government considers soylent green as a non-GMO food source.
There will be more as each state begins to establish Hoovervilles everywhere, starting with Kansas. The news cycle will certainly change as the rich and famous focus on the hillbillies of........ while they are sailing on their yachts, while the government considers soylent green as a non-GMO food source.
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I'm your average New York Times reader, and I watch the shows and follow the Kardashian family on social media. I can appreciate the high brow in our culture along with the low brow too. It fascinates me how this family has made it to the top of celebrity without any obvious "talents". In some sense their talent is understanding Amercian culture. Let's face it, they've figured out a winning formula, and part of my enjoyment is hearing the outrage from high brow society.
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Lol
Rather ask: where would we all be without the Jenner/Kardashians? In a better world, no doubt.
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Bill: Let's keep a little perspective here. The world wouldn't be THAT better. We'd still have ISIS and the suicide pilot and the earthquake in Nepal and mass incarceration and a dysfunctional Congress... the list goes on.
I don't watch their show. I even spelled Chris/Kris' name wrong in a reply. I can't always avoid the images of them on buses, magazines, news feeds, etc. They are everywhere.
Instead of bashing them, I think there is a lesson to be learned. That lesson is the marketing of the Kardashian family. Kris has used her marketing skills to make this family a universal business. She is a master at it. You can tell because everyone at least knows who her family is...even if, like me, they'd rather not.
Instead of bashing them, I think there is a lesson to be learned. That lesson is the marketing of the Kardashian family. Kris has used her marketing skills to make this family a universal business. She is a master at it. You can tell because everyone at least knows who her family is...even if, like me, they'd rather not.
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If she could only apply her amazing marketing skills to convince the public of the imminent threat of climate change or to vaccinate children, I would be forever grateful.
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The truth of the matter is that a lot of us only know what we see on the front of junk magazines at the supermarket checkout counter. They are so unappealing that I haven't even been tempted to open one of those magazines. I had no idea that she even existed or that were six of them plus a mother.
C'mon, New York Times! You're not the E! Channel. You can aspire to more. I believe you can find a better use of your readers' time.
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Oh yes, the NYT is more and more the E! Channel (whatever that is!), with and occasional political puff piece.
I really, truly look forward the NY Times Magazine each Sunday. It is my companion throughout the week. It almost never fails to inspire, educate or entertain me--sometimes all at once. I saw this article coming in this Sunday's edition and I couldn't be more disappointed. I feel everything the Kardashian family does is designed to increase celebrity, for the purpose of commercial gain. I wonder if the NYTM is leveraging the apparently inexhaustible voyeurism that attracts readers. The family is so visible, and their images are compelling--it's hard to look away--love them or not.
But does this family create anything but its own image? What in this article will help me be a better citizen, wife, employee, mother? Is there any contribution the words will make that results in a better world?
I wonder if I will read any part of the NYTM this weekend--I do not want to participate in the wink/nod dance that is the celebrity circus. Most of all, I will not read this article, or otherwise indirectly (or directly) support the crass system Kris Kardashian has developed to exploit her daughters' appearance and sexuality for commercial gain. When I think of what makes a great mother, it is protecting her offspring from exploitation. Honestly, aren't there a million other mothers whose ambition, competitiveness and savvy could highlight a positive contribution this world?
But does this family create anything but its own image? What in this article will help me be a better citizen, wife, employee, mother? Is there any contribution the words will make that results in a better world?
I wonder if I will read any part of the NYTM this weekend--I do not want to participate in the wink/nod dance that is the celebrity circus. Most of all, I will not read this article, or otherwise indirectly (or directly) support the crass system Kris Kardashian has developed to exploit her daughters' appearance and sexuality for commercial gain. When I think of what makes a great mother, it is protecting her offspring from exploitation. Honestly, aren't there a million other mothers whose ambition, competitiveness and savvy could highlight a positive contribution this world?
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I think everyone has forgotten the Loud family who were the first casualties of the tv reality business.
The first reality TV was a show in 1971 about an 'average ..
They were ultimately destroyed, so perhaps the Ks will follow suit.
The first reality TV was a show in 1971 about an 'average ..
They were ultimately destroyed, so perhaps the Ks will follow suit.
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if only society would be so lucky!
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Kris Jenner is NO role model. She embodies what is wrong with our society. I feel sorry for her children and glad for Bruce Jenner, who is rid of her and on to a happier life.
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I tried to read this article in its entirety. Really, I did. Won't be the first thing I've failed at in this life, but it will among the ones I worry the least about. I did notice one thing -several, actually- words that if I used them in my offerings to Comments would very likely be the reason for my musings to find their way onto the editing room floor and swept into the digital round file with all the other bit-dust rejections.
There is no justice.
There is no justice.
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I'll admit that I didn't read the whole article. But I must have missed the part where it was explained that these people are famous because of a "leaked" sex tape. Exploiting a sex tape and pimping your children and the NYT thinks this woman is worth an article in the Times? Sad. This family has done real damage to our culture. They make me sick..
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but they serve as role models for teenage girls across the nation!! Hence it is OK.
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"We rise to great heights by a winding staircase." - Francis Bacon
You might sneer at Kris Jenner's literal and figurative winding staircase. But she doesn't care about your opinion, only about that of the millions of people who tune into the show (I for sure, am not one). She is in fact, laughing all the way to the bank, and I give her full marks for ingenuity, even while feeling slightly sorry for their flashy fishbowl existence.
You might sneer at Kris Jenner's literal and figurative winding staircase. But she doesn't care about your opinion, only about that of the millions of people who tune into the show (I for sure, am not one). She is in fact, laughing all the way to the bank, and I give her full marks for ingenuity, even while feeling slightly sorry for their flashy fishbowl existence.
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Interesting article.
I know very little about them and I don't have A TV or cable so I haven't seen their show
What little I knew I thought everything about them was fake.
From the last paragraph where the writer mentions the set becomes a house tells me that what I thought was fake wasn't.
The show is probably fake but they are real people and a real family.
Everything they do isn't just for the show even if they make use of those things to make money.
To many this is probably obvious but to me it wasn't.
This doesn't make me want to watch the show but it does make me wrong when I felt they were only about money and being famous and I thought they were sick individuals and looked down on them as being low life's.
I know very little about them and I don't have A TV or cable so I haven't seen their show
What little I knew I thought everything about them was fake.
From the last paragraph where the writer mentions the set becomes a house tells me that what I thought was fake wasn't.
The show is probably fake but they are real people and a real family.
Everything they do isn't just for the show even if they make use of those things to make money.
To many this is probably obvious but to me it wasn't.
This doesn't make me want to watch the show but it does make me wrong when I felt they were only about money and being famous and I thought they were sick individuals and looked down on them as being low life's.
What a sad commentary on our country and its popular mores. The Kardashians are a truly culture-less, talent-less family with no values or purpose beyond self-aggrandizement and the acquisition of wealth. That they have become an aspirational and inspirational icon is in itself an indicator of how low we have sunk. "Crass" is an understatement.
Oh, and by the way, NYT, as several other comments have pointed out, you (and Taffy) have been turned into just another cog in the Kardashian self-promotion machine. In other words, you got played. Great job.
Oh, and by the way, NYT, as several other comments have pointed out, you (and Taffy) have been turned into just another cog in the Kardashian self-promotion machine. In other words, you got played. Great job.
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"family with no values or purpose beyond self-aggrandizement and the acquisition of wealth."
Mitlon Friedman once said something to the effect that the "greatest achievement a society can make is the accumulation of wealth". Hence we advancing, not declining as you claim.
Why do liberals not understand?
Mitlon Friedman once said something to the effect that the "greatest achievement a society can make is the accumulation of wealth". Hence we advancing, not declining as you claim.
Why do liberals not understand?
Well, we now have printed proof money can buy Klass after all.
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Follow the money I say.
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The Jenner-Kardashian media juggernaut is disturbing in so many aspects that it's hard to know where to commence.
But, much more disturbing to me is the cultural impact it's having in lower-income, not-very-well educated households in this country. Women are actually aspiring to be one of these Jenner-Kardishian women, and treating pronouncements from them like the Ten Commandments, brought down from the mountain.
Wow! Now, that doesn't bode well for the future of these of these impressionable and not very savvy women in the aforementioned households. That's pretty disconcerting..........
But, much more disturbing to me is the cultural impact it's having in lower-income, not-very-well educated households in this country. Women are actually aspiring to be one of these Jenner-Kardishian women, and treating pronouncements from them like the Ten Commandments, brought down from the mountain.
Wow! Now, that doesn't bode well for the future of these of these impressionable and not very savvy women in the aforementioned households. That's pretty disconcerting..........
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But what are these low-income folks doing paying for cable TV in the first place?
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I wonder if Bruce's transition to a woman is going the be the apex of the Jenner-Kardashian media juggernaut. It's harder and harder to get traction about what they do, except in this case, a well place PR piece of fluff in the NYT.
Ugh and double ugh.
NYTimes quality? I think not. National Inquirer, perhaps.
NYTimes quality? I think not. National Inquirer, perhaps.
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What mother wouldn't want their daughters making sex tapes for all to see, posing nude and becoming emblematic of nothing other than raw materialism?
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The Queen of Marketing. If there is one thing that I am so tired of, it is the Jenner family. No matter where on turns, they are "selling" something, taking off their clothing for some reason, and the media that caters to these people only see dollar signs. I now have more time for other things that reading the newspapers or magazines which feature this dysfunctional family. Perhaps not "only in America" but certainly a major part of the daily routine here. How sad that we have come to this level.
Our search for the low common denominator has ended with this family.
Our search for the low common denominator has ended with this family.
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"Our search for the low common denominator has ended with this family."
don't you have faith that a new bottom will be reached? I do.
don't you have faith that a new bottom will be reached? I do.
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I think Bruce Jenner is the most sane of this people. The rest are disgusting!
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It's very troubling that the NYT gives this pathetic family space. There are so many other interesting and charitable people in this world-why them?
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Where would the Kardashian sisters be without mom? Kim would be the chief librarian at UCLA, Khloe would be a florist on Ventura Blv'd and Kourtney would be a marine biologist at Sea World.
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Ha, no way does Kim nor Kourtney have the intellect nor diligence to do either of those jobs. Khloe being a florist, I could see, barely. The others, maybe sales clerks at Old Navy.
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You underestimate their talents. I think Kim would be an antiquities scholar, Khloe would be a botanist, and Kourtney would be an astrophysicist.
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That is an insult to all sales clerks Dan.
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Fascinating. Truly it will be a vast benefit for American society at large, and particularly the entertainment field, when these grasping, materialistic parasites finally are ushered off stage left and pollute our airwaves no further. They have never offered any insights of note, all they do is sell crud nobody needs with their name on it, soaking up millions that they're not worthy of, and spending it on wasteful fripperies.
Oh I know there will be a lot of negativity directed at them, I just wanted to toss my two cents in too.
Oh I know there will be a lot of negativity directed at them, I just wanted to toss my two cents in too.
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Sorry Dan as long as these cash cows and Andy cohen continue to make pots of cash for whatever network they happen to be on these shows will continue to proliferate like rabbits. They sell quite a bit of toilet paper.
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I'm afraid you may be right Laura, but there's always hope. Anna Nicole Smith made millions off of reality TV and pseudo-prostitution, and it wound up destroying her.
So Dan what is your point
Agreed they serve no purpose and they are crude.
That's true about most things, especially on TV.
The Jerry Springer show for example makes the Kardashians show by comparison look good.
Not only is the show crude it encourages people to hate and makes fun of them
People like the Kardashians even if you and I don't.
That in itself is a purpose.
Agreed they serve no purpose and they are crude.
That's true about most things, especially on TV.
The Jerry Springer show for example makes the Kardashians show by comparison look good.
Not only is the show crude it encourages people to hate and makes fun of them
People like the Kardashians even if you and I don't.
That in itself is a purpose.
The nation would be several IQ points higher without the Kardashians.
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but would not GDP be lower? That is the question to ask.
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I disagree. They are just feeding an American appetite, they didn't create it.
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Everyone is so upset about the Kardashians being so popular and about Kris's success in achieving this new form of entertainment. They are also upset that the NYT reported anything having to do with the Kardashians. I got news folks, it's not just the Kardashians, it's Housewives of Beverly Hills, Housewives of New Jersey, Dance Moms, Little Woman of whatever, The Bachelor, etc. Whether you like it or not, reality shows have exploded onto your TV. People just love these shows, they are becoming more popular and they are adding more of them for your viewing pleasure every year. Personally, I think this is a good indicator of the intelligence level of our voting public and that's why we have such a mess in congress and in our country, but that's me.
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Reality shows have not exploded on my tv. They are easily avoided.
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@Wally Wolf: Which is why I no longer watch TV!
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The nadir was Toddlers and Tiaras. And that spawned Here Comes Honey Boo Boo. Perhaps this is indeed The End Times.
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The entire reality TV phenomenon made me think of an older word, not used very much today: "ennobling." During much of the 19th and 20th centuries, I think, Americans had heroes and role models -- the traditionals, like the Founding Fathers, Jonas Salk, Mickey Mickey Mantle, FDR, Eleanor Roosevelt, etc -- people who raised culture and gave role models of people who encouraged Americans to better themselves -- to do things that were noble and ennobling, for themselves and for the country. With reality TV, and the gruesome freak shows ushered in by people like Andy Cohen, and the culpable audiences who watch them, the 21st century has become about the opposite of ennobling: the nearly pornographic desire to watch trainwrecks and disasters, people who strive to go downward not upward. Americans are so comfortable now, I guess, that the need to seek heroes and raise up to their accomplishments is not longer necessary. Now we seek out worthless, self-centered, consumers of money, power and value,. and use these as our role models. It is a very sad comment on Americans.
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Amen and Amen. My comment was all too predictably rejected because I dared to suggest that some more than others are responsible for this vapid clan's wealth and exposure and the corrosive effect on our culture. A hint: it sure isn't the folks in "fly over land" though they probably now watch avidly.
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I find it laughable that so many people are complaining about NYT covering the Kardashians and Jenners. It's newsworthy because they are an iconic staple in our culture and media in the US, whether you like it or not, whether it's good or bad. They influence fashion, entertainment, media, and the author of this article does a fantastic job profiling the families--not fair that this article is being ridiculed as being "garbage" or "[same] level of the Enquirer."
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Yes. But Mr. Hu, if you take a wider-angle view of your position you find that it's a circular arrangement. These people became "celebrities" because of their media exposure. Theirs is an entirely vacuous public spectacle, like watching that naked cowboy in Times Square. Eh?
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They and the rest of reality television have been hugely influential in our society; like a virus that can't be stopped.
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About twenty years ago, the Times Magazine published a lengthy, detailed article about Indonesia. The article discussed the history of the country - pre-colonial, colonial, and post-colonial - and the then-current social and political realities. It described our government's role in supporting and maintaining the authoritarian regime which was then in power.
The article was my introduction to the country. It took a while to read, but it was worth it. Among other things, I had some context for understanding the relatively bloodless end of the Suharto regime which took place several years later, and the secession of East Timor which took place shortly after that.
Just saying.
The article was my introduction to the country. It took a while to read, but it was worth it. Among other things, I had some context for understanding the relatively bloodless end of the Suharto regime which took place several years later, and the secession of East Timor which took place shortly after that.
Just saying.
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Ah but this is an article about the soulless rot corrupting the minds of many Americans today, about how our excesses, wastefulness, and decadence is leading to our decline as an engine of useful advances, and may spell the end for our society. Just have to think about the ramifications.
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I wish I had said that.
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However I feel abou KJ - and the rest of them - this was a really well-written piece!
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yes, they will probably get a PULLET SURPRISE for the quality. The the national newspaper of record [sic] we are certainly seeing "Enquirer-like" subject matter here.
One reason I never look at O magazine is that the person who owns it is simply concerned with herself--and on every cover. How many covers could she have used to further the careers of other important members of the Black community.?
How much of the zillions of dollars the Kardashians have "earned" have gone to help the Armenians?
What I like to see in America is very rich people quietly going about helping others--not getting photographed at every airport arrival.
One reason I never look at O magazine is that the person who owns it is simply concerned with herself--and on every cover. How many covers could she have used to further the careers of other important members of the Black community.?
How much of the zillions of dollars the Kardashians have "earned" have gone to help the Armenians?
What I like to see in America is very rich people quietly going about helping others--not getting photographed at every airport arrival.
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Agreed - the writing transcends the subject matter.
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Kris Jenner as a serial Mrs. of the powerful, rich and famous man, has employed her primary and secondary female sex characteristics and feminine wiles into a fame and fortune iconic model for her daughters and those females similarly inclined. Their wise "brains" are distributed in quarters between their chests and rumps. While their "beauty lies between their thighs."
Most women who practice the oldest female profession are not lionized nor noted in good moral company. Having no moral imperative but pride and the love of money is the sinful root of all evil. Lucifer and Judas would approve.
Most women who practice the oldest female profession are not lionized nor noted in good moral company. Having no moral imperative but pride and the love of money is the sinful root of all evil. Lucifer and Judas would approve.
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I consider the mama as the Madam of the family and I don't mean that as a complement. It seems she has pimped out her darling children to thehighest bidderone Andy Cohen and in the truest sense of the word turned them into something that PT Barnum would approve as well as those why buy into the whole phony business that is reality tv. Thank you andy for bringing us crap tv.
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This article is unintentionally amusing for its utter lack of irony; the author appears to have no clue that the piece itself is just another cog in the Kardashian/Jenner media promotion machine. It's mostly bio that almost everyone knows, lacking the insight one expects from this newspaper. I don't think the Kardashians are untalented; I find them frequently funny, perceptive and engaging, and I watch the show from time to time. But, I resent the constant, inescapable media onslaught. And now the Kardashians are being used to sell the NYTimes.
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Can anyone remember who launched the Kardashian's 'careers'? That's right, OJ Simpson.
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Noy quite, no one knew who the kids were let alone Kris, it was her husband who made the headlines carrying that murders LV garment bag out of the truck and then when he made it to the defense table. Kris and her posse were not in the tabloids just yet, and Kim became famous for her sex tape that's partly how she got the show.
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I think the headline should ask where would we be without the Kardashians and Kris Jenner. There is only one answer: better off. No article needed.
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I wonder what valuable, insightful and interesting stories were pushed aside for this trivial piece. I thought the NY Times would be one place where I could avoid that family.
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Joanne: My thoughts exactly! Quite frankly: Who cares where her family would be? Ugh, NYTimes--how could you do it to us?
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I pay NYT just so that I have a news source that doesn't include articles (promotional materials really) for this type of popular phenomenon that is all over other media outlets.
This article had NO added value. I get that this is a cultural phenomenon and that fact lends an argument it should be reported on but I'm deeply disappointed that the NYT did a puff piece here.
This should have come with a disclaimer, "nothing new here, some readers may find the NYT doing publicity for this person upsetting and offensive, reader discretion is advised".
This article had NO added value. I get that this is a cultural phenomenon and that fact lends an argument it should be reported on but I'm deeply disappointed that the NYT did a puff piece here.
This should have come with a disclaimer, "nothing new here, some readers may find the NYT doing publicity for this person upsetting and offensive, reader discretion is advised".
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This article is disturbing. Its not hard to grasp why people are willing to sink to this level for celebrity and money, I admit lots of money, but all the gullible people who get some sort of a vicarious pleasure watching such a drama, there is no understanding of it.
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there must be an understanding. Only through that can we, possibly, hope to reverse this disturbing trend in the deterioration of our culture and civilization.
Let's face it Kim got famous for one thing and one thing only. Great story to tell the kids when they get older. Sad that this garbage is considered entertainment sadder still that people actually watch said garbage.
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What's Low Is High!
I am, for the most part, "Kardashian Free." I see these faces, bodies and outlandish outfits drift by in snapshots and headlines I wonder what's it all about? How did it come to pass that a Kardashian would appear on the same guest list as a Anna Wintour? Is all sense of proportion lost in the higher circles of society? That's enough. Let them sort things out for themselves.
I am, for the most part, "Kardashian Free." I see these faces, bodies and outlandish outfits drift by in snapshots and headlines I wonder what's it all about? How did it come to pass that a Kardashian would appear on the same guest list as a Anna Wintour? Is all sense of proportion lost in the higher circles of society? That's enough. Let them sort things out for themselves.
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Anna Wintour is also of no benefit to humanity, every bit as self-serving and materialistic as these reality TV parasites.
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That's your opinion Dan, however she is a master at what she does and what she does, she does well. She sells alot of magazines and makes pots of cash for her employer. Perhaps Vogue isn't your cuppa tea but she sells alot of magazines and product.
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Well, yes . . . except for the fact that Wintour is an educated and knowledgable woman who is editor-in-chief of the most successful magazine covering the multi-billion dollar fashion industry. She is also a trustee the Met where she has organised benefits that have raised $50 million for the museum's Costume Institute. She began the CFDA/Vogue Fund in order to encourage, support and mentor unknown fashion designers. She has also raised over $10 million for AIDS charities since 1990, by organising various benefits. And she's not pimping her kids for her own profit. Otherwise, identical.
P.S. Now google Kris Jenner and charity work to find out all about her "church" and the tax deductible donations made to it.
P.S. Now google Kris Jenner and charity work to find out all about her "church" and the tax deductible donations made to it.
Of all the recent unpleasant changes to the NY Times Magazine, the decision to pay yet more attention to a tabloid poster child and her grubby family is the most egregious.
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Real talent has officially been displaced in this country.
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I thought Ronald Reagan did that.
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Where would they be? I wish they were all somewhere I never had to hear about them or see them again. As far as I can tell they are usually nude, pregnant or nude and pregnant. Ugh.
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Or "pretending" to be saddened at the anniversary ceremony of the Armenian Genocide (google Khloe's photo at the memorial...fan blowing her hair back). Not just disrespectful, but downright crass.
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There is no denying her intelligence and drive. The family is fabulously wealthy and well known. One does have to wonder if anything is worth your self respect and dignity. I think the real take home message here is that money can make life easier, but at what cost? Would anyone take their lives? They are the most unhappiest and unfulfilled people I have ever seen. i pity them.
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"They are the most unhappiest and unfulfilled people I have ever seen"
how can you be sure? They look happier and more fulfilled than many my university professors and "ordinary" persons.
how can you be sure? They look happier and more fulfilled than many my university professors and "ordinary" persons.
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After the money, it appears Ms. Jenner's primary motivation is for her (#1) and her family (#2) to be talked about. What people say about them, apparently, does not concern her.
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She doesn't need any motivation beyond the money. She's obviously an extremely effective businesswoman with her finger on the pulse of American taste.
So long as the show continues, they have the illusion of purpose. After that: kids, you're on your own.
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they will have so much money that they will be able to manage on their own, unlike many who spent years in school and establishing a "respectable" career. That is the ultimate irony. Maybe so many worship them for this very reason.
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Nobody can escape them. They follow you in every grocery store with the magazines at the check out counters, on fashion events, in the NYT and so on. Big brainwashing is going on. What a sad culture.
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All I see is a perfect example of the vacuity in so much of our culture - that this family could be so popular. A sickenly sad commentary on contemporary America.
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Well said. Vacuous. Vapid. Vexing.
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True enough. Even more unfortunate, it has already affected and infected everyone who also has followed it, even just a little, even if just to comment negatively on the whole thing and put it down. This includes you and me. And, when you come to think of it, "vacuity" is not exactly the right word. It's so rich and ridiculous and in-your-face, that it calls out for a more singular designation. But I'm out of here.
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Why is the NYTimes spending so much time, energy and money on courting the Kardashian's? I didn't read the article nor do I intend to as to give anything to perpetuate fanning the fire for people who have done nothing to deserve any recognition other than having more money than anyone needs and getting a big backside brings the NYTimes to the level of the Enquirer. Rock on.
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This reminds of me a great book I read years ago, "Geek Love" by Katherine Dunn, where the dad creates "potions" for his wife to drink when she is pregnant so that they create "special children" who then become their main attractions at their own traveling circus.
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Loved that book!
There's one episode of KUWTK you need to watch. Maybe it will cause you to retract this article. Watch the episode where Kris drugs Bruce's coffee with Viagra because she's not getting enough sex. She does it three or four days in a row before the poor man catches on. I was completely shocked that they allowed that on TV, because it appears to prove her guilty of a crime.
Changing nature of celebrity -- you got that right. That was even more shocking to me than when the Obsournes let an MTV crew film them failing to make sure their children went to school.
Changing nature of celebrity -- you got that right. That was even more shocking to me than when the Obsournes let an MTV crew film them failing to make sure their children went to school.
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Wow! You mean Chris Jenner did to Bruce on camera what people are accusing Bill Cosby of doing in private?
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I can happily say I have never seen one episode of this disgusting show. "Reality" shows like this ARE ALL SCRIPTED, all of them, know this for a fact. Why would ANYONE care what these self centered women do or say?
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It makes me sad that an article on this subject matter would be published in this newspaper, even if it is the magazine.
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For years, decades actually, friends of mine have worked on improving the outcomes of cancer patients, diabetes patients and people with really nasty infectious diseases. My cofounders and I invent new technology. Family members for generations have been teachers.
But we are dumbstruck (an appropriate pun) by the ability of the Kardashians to make millions of dollars a year in attracting eyeballs, pixels and ink by doing absolutely nothing useful. It is inexplicable to us. It's not like they're musicians who at minimum can sing off key. They do nothing of value. Or perhaps what we are missing is, "Why do people care what they are doing?"
I'd welcome the opportunity to leverage the Kardashian brand to help raise money for clinical approval of new medical technology. Note this is not "research," is is advancing proven protocols through years of clinical trials so as to obtain FDA approval.
However, I'm at a loss to explain to cancer researchers how the Kardashian brand would enhance, rather than diminish, the seriousness of their decades of work.
But we are dumbstruck (an appropriate pun) by the ability of the Kardashians to make millions of dollars a year in attracting eyeballs, pixels and ink by doing absolutely nothing useful. It is inexplicable to us. It's not like they're musicians who at minimum can sing off key. They do nothing of value. Or perhaps what we are missing is, "Why do people care what they are doing?"
I'd welcome the opportunity to leverage the Kardashian brand to help raise money for clinical approval of new medical technology. Note this is not "research," is is advancing proven protocols through years of clinical trials so as to obtain FDA approval.
However, I'm at a loss to explain to cancer researchers how the Kardashian brand would enhance, rather than diminish, the seriousness of their decades of work.
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My reaction to this article about some very, very special Americans is best summed up by Lance Bass's quote early in the piece: “It literally killed me.”
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Where would they be without Kris? Not on television, that's where. And society would be better for it.
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They would be poorer, but probably saner. I've never seen a mother pimp out her daughters as hard as this one. The recent cover (and inside photospread) of GQ illustrates this. But, I guess this is acceptable if your life is all about looks, body, and image.
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I don't watch reality television. But, I have a lot of respect for Kris Jenner. Say what you want about her, but she has found her own piece of the American dream. And it made it work for her and her family.
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If that's the "American Dream" I'll take Liechtenstein.
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I wonder if I'm the only one to have never watched their "show?"
I guess you have to applaud someone who made something out of nothing as Ms. Jenner/Kardashian apparently did.
That's still not enough to make me want to watch any of them.
It's the worst of American culture.
I guess you have to applaud someone who made something out of nothing as Ms. Jenner/Kardashian apparently did.
That's still not enough to make me want to watch any of them.
It's the worst of American culture.
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I've never watched the show.
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I never have. I don't have a TV. I had never heard of them until the one with the massive posterior was divorced after ... I forget, was it 72 hours? after having a huge, televised spectacle of a wedding to an athlete.
My sense is that The Times, within a year or two, will be made up of giant Style and Real Estate sections with a tiny News Digest sandwiched between them. That seems to be where things are headed, anyway.
My sense is that The Times, within a year or two, will be made up of giant Style and Real Estate sections with a tiny News Digest sandwiched between them. That seems to be where things are headed, anyway.
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Fear not, you're not alone.
(I don't watch TV so I guess I'm missing out on a lot.)
(I don't watch TV so I guess I'm missing out on a lot.)
"....changed the nature of celebrity."
Not so.
50 years ago, I was taken to the Barnum and Bailey Circus at MSG as a child. Before the show, there was a huge side show, populated by the unusual, unfortunate, and frightening members of the human species.
Their attraction was almost entirely based on their appearance, bizarreness, and, for want of a better word, freakishness.
In my opinion, there is no difference between the attraction of that side-show and the essence of the lives of the Kardashians.
Not so.
50 years ago, I was taken to the Barnum and Bailey Circus at MSG as a child. Before the show, there was a huge side show, populated by the unusual, unfortunate, and frightening members of the human species.
Their attraction was almost entirely based on their appearance, bizarreness, and, for want of a better word, freakishness.
In my opinion, there is no difference between the attraction of that side-show and the essence of the lives of the Kardashians.
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You've hit the nail squarely on the head.
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How many mothers like Kris have husbands and daughters with husbands and sons with problems who drive them crazy? Kris just figured out a way to make her problems entertaining and profitable. This sure beats having problems and being broke. You go girl!
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When can we stop keeping up with the Kardashians?
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jq: We could all get up right now and head out to our local indie bookstore and buy a book.
I bet that's not what we all do, though. LOL.
I bet that's not what we all do, though. LOL.
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Not soon enough.
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sorry Particia but all the local indie bookstores in my neighborhood went broke years ago. We only have one Barnes and Noble.
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This family to me represents everything wrong with America. Greed, no concern with education, vanity over substance , just bad.
Kris Jenner is a soulless hustler and hopefully her family's riches that she has earned for them will make them happy.
What will be interesting to me is when they eventually fade into obscurity, and they will, will another family be able to follow their model of success?
Kris Jenner is a soulless hustler and hopefully her family's riches that she has earned for them will make them happy.
What will be interesting to me is when they eventually fade into obscurity, and they will, will another family be able to follow their model of success?
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Look out...here comes the Octomom....
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I will admit to flipping on a couple hours of KUWTK when I need some brainless entertainment. Say what you will about the activities of the Kardashian-Jenner clan, but their business acumen is quite sharp. They wouldn't have gotten to the level of success they have without some serious work.
I do feel that somewhere in one of their mansions, is an elegantly scripted quote, "Haters gonna Hate," and it's probably quite cherished.
I do feel that somewhere in one of their mansions, is an elegantly scripted quote, "Haters gonna Hate," and it's probably quite cherished.
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Gotta give it to her. Whatever your feelings toward this woman. She had the talent and strength to make Bruce, her daughters and herself millionaires thus securing their future.
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All the while without any artistic or intellectual abilities, no important, social contributions to society, not even the ability to impart wisdom or knowledge. yup, that does take talent.
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Is money the only thing needed to "secure one's future?" How about character? Talent? Integrity? Wisdom? Mental and emotional health?
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If I wanted to read about the K family, I would subscribe to People or the National Inquirer. I remember when the NYT Magazine had loftier goals. Can you not write about someone who is accomplishing something of importance?
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They just did "not write about someone who is accomplishing something of importance."
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The accumulation of large amounts of money has always been considered newsworthy. Our newest robber barons make sex tapes instead of steel.
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