Clearly the partner was abetting. He should also be charged.
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Possible steps to end this endemic problem of police shootings:
Take shoot-'em-up cop shows off the air (I'm quite sure these plots and images attract and inform the attitudes and actions of the mentally and emotionally defective); quit arming police departments with military force; screen police force applicants better for IQ and education (require a BA), and mental/emotional stability. Train them better to de-escalate. And hold. them. accountable.
Take shoot-'em-up cop shows off the air (I'm quite sure these plots and images attract and inform the attitudes and actions of the mentally and emotionally defective); quit arming police departments with military force; screen police force applicants better for IQ and education (require a BA), and mental/emotional stability. Train them better to de-escalate. And hold. them. accountable.
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I would like to know about the one who took the video and thank him for taking the video. It was about time someone did something good. So I'm still wondering (WHO)??????.Who was the witness and why didn't he shout out to the officer.
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He probably feared for his own life. I think it's remarkable that he shot the video and didn't get killed for it. Brave man!
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Don't run, don't get shot. Follow the rules and everything will be okay.
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So you're under the impression that the "rules" call for people running away to be shot? For having a busted tail light?
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Very simplistic view of a typical racist. This man did not deserve the death penalty despite his misbehavior and this cop had no right to mete it out. The cop knew he was wrong because he lied and tried to stage the scene.
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This is such poor policy...even if individuals who decide and/or are frightened into running from the police were the problem here, how could anyone living in a developed country justify killing an unarmed human being simply for running away? Lethal force is only appropriate when police are in legitimate danger...who in their right mind would define a person running away from him/her as dangerous, much less life-threatening? We don't treat unarmed war enemies this brutally.
Shootings this cold should only happen in Western movies, not on the streets of America in 2015 at the hands of a cop facing an unarmed person. If any individual not wearing a badge took the same action in this situation, it would be murder, case closed.
Shootings this cold should only happen in Western movies, not on the streets of America in 2015 at the hands of a cop facing an unarmed person. If any individual not wearing a badge took the same action in this situation, it would be murder, case closed.
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Stories like these make me sad. What happened to the land of free? Seems to me like a land of fear for some ethnies. This officer must go to jail for life, hope he'll regret there. PEACE.
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I would like to say Thanks to all "BLACK" MAYORS,GOVERNORS,CITY COUNCIL MEN AND ALL POLITICIANS ETC" for sitting back and watching black men being murdered across the country. Thanks for doing nothing' ignoring are cry's for help to stop the killing. though we understand that there are some bad apples in the black community's as in white community's, but we are not all bad but yet we find ourselves being gunned down for the color of are skin and yet you sit there and do nothing. We know in some cases you have made history and finally found your success but you will also be known as the black political figures who could of stood up and stopped the murdering of black men and Didn't you just watched, I guess this is your way of going along to get along to protect your career. Thanks for nothing.
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Just curious. What percentage of the cops out there are dirty? And what percentage of police departments are dirty/corrupt?
BTW, do yo know where the name "cops" comes from?
Back in the early 1900's, in New York, the police used to wear dark blue uni's and these big copper buttons on their unis. At first, to insult the police, the whiskey runners and criminals used to called them "coppers-buttons." As in, "Hey, it's the copper buttons here to protect us." That turned into, "Hey, it''s the coppers." And today: "Hey look. A cop just shot an unarmed black man in the back 8 times for no reason."
BTW. That "cop" Michael T. Slager is being charged with Murder 1 and it might be bumped up to a Capitol Murder Charge. (WHich includes the death penalty.) - I think this case, may be the case we look back on in 50 years, as the case that stopped corruption in the police departments in the US.
- Did you just laugh? Well, 200 years ago, you would have been laughed at for predicting when slavery might end too...
BTW, do yo know where the name "cops" comes from?
Back in the early 1900's, in New York, the police used to wear dark blue uni's and these big copper buttons on their unis. At first, to insult the police, the whiskey runners and criminals used to called them "coppers-buttons." As in, "Hey, it's the copper buttons here to protect us." That turned into, "Hey, it''s the coppers." And today: "Hey look. A cop just shot an unarmed black man in the back 8 times for no reason."
BTW. That "cop" Michael T. Slager is being charged with Murder 1 and it might be bumped up to a Capitol Murder Charge. (WHich includes the death penalty.) - I think this case, may be the case we look back on in 50 years, as the case that stopped corruption in the police departments in the US.
- Did you just laugh? Well, 200 years ago, you would have been laughed at for predicting when slavery might end too...
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A new definition of white privilege - "shoot an unarmed black man in the back 8 times, claim self defense knowing fully well that you can get away with it"(*).
* except when there is video tape.
* except when there is video tape.
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This story was horrifying. The officer's actions were sickening. And the video was chilling in the extreme. But while there are MANY things wrong with this event and this tragic outcome, there was a line in this story that could easily be overlooked, but which (I think) deserves some additional attention:
"Because police departments are not required to release data on how often officers use force, it was not immediately clear how often police shootings occurred in North Charleston, a working-class community adjacent to the tourist destination of Charleston."
How is it possible, that in a free and democratic society, police departments are NOT required to release data on how often officers use force? I understand that such data can be difficult to compile or quantify--that even quantifiable statistics can be misleading or give a false impression. I know that no single statistic can ever tell the whole story, and that police use of force is a complex and complicated issue.
But that's no excuse.
For something as important as the use of force by police--including but NOT limited to lethal force--how can there be any systematic accountability WITHOUT a requirement to both track and report statistics about the use of force by police?
"Because police departments are not required to release data on how often officers use force, it was not immediately clear how often police shootings occurred in North Charleston, a working-class community adjacent to the tourist destination of Charleston."
How is it possible, that in a free and democratic society, police departments are NOT required to release data on how often officers use force? I understand that such data can be difficult to compile or quantify--that even quantifiable statistics can be misleading or give a false impression. I know that no single statistic can ever tell the whole story, and that police use of force is a complex and complicated issue.
But that's no excuse.
For something as important as the use of force by police--including but NOT limited to lethal force--how can there be any systematic accountability WITHOUT a requirement to both track and report statistics about the use of force by police?
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Officer tried to stage the crime scene and after the shooting he fetched the stun gun and placed it near the body. The shooting might have been an misunderstanding but the action afterwards reveals the truth.
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"Sir, you have a broken tail light. You'll need to get it fixed. Have a nice day." That's all that the officer needed to say and do. Warn Mr. Scott about his faulty equipment and leave it at that. Do they issue warnings anymore?
Why does a simple traffic stop for a busted tail light end with a man dead...shot in the back? I'm really sick of seeing police use minor violations as an excuse to harass otherwise law abiding citizens.
Why does a simple traffic stop for a busted tail light end with a man dead...shot in the back? I'm really sick of seeing police use minor violations as an excuse to harass otherwise law abiding citizens.
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Although I do not wish death upon the perpetrator, I do find it ironic that he will trust a system that he blatantly abused. Of course, making this offender the poster boy of a systemic abuse of power by a law enforcement officer, some say, will hurt the reputation of an honorable profession, then so be it. I can't imagine myself not supporting a capital punishment indictment. The next time a police officer pulls the trigger he will think twice about the consequences.
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As I understand it, a cop is *supposed* to think twice before pulling the trigger. The gun is not the first resort. What are the rules about this? Is there no training in recognizing and responding to threats? Why is it shoot to kill, no matter the offense? 8 shots?? Someone please explain that to me.
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Frankly it infuriates me when the police chief and the mayor show their disapproval by saying things like "when you are wrong you are wrong" or "he made a bad decision". A bad decision???? A person who has taken the oath to serve and protect just gunned down an unarmed, innocent man in the back with 8 shots and you are calling it "A Bad Decision"??. Wow. More like horrific, evil, murder. The lack of total indignation shocks me.
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so now it is 'back turned don't shoot', to replace the lie 'hands up don't shoot'. why was the man running from the first contact? The cop pulled him over so he jumps out and runs. The man is tasered and then continues to run. What the devil is going on? Forensics is a good place to start instead of hanging the cop from the tweeter tree.
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Yep, you're right. All of that warranted killing the guy. (If you were a black man pulled over by a cop, wouldn't you run too, given recent history? I would. But I'd be dead now. If I was black.)
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Mr French, you display the evil in your heart when you make statements like thIs. What would forensics show? No where are you allowed to shoot a man running away from you...except if your life is in danger and please tell me how this cop's life was endangered.
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Sam French, do the math, dude. You're right and don't know it. Why WOULD the man run away from a simple traffic stop? He was not wanted by the police for any cause that would reasonably have made him think "grabbing the cop's taser" or fleeing the scene was a good idea. Mother of God, a broken tail light! Sure, we all get into physical altercations with police when pulled over for a broken tail light!
Yes, he must have had a reason for doing what he did. Like I said, do the math. Either you think perhaps blacks are just naturally violent as well as stupid and by default have physical confrontations over broken tail lights - or something happened in his dealings with the officer to make him understand that his life was in danger. As it was.
The cop's ruthless disregard for Scott's life inadvertently revealed in the video shows you exactly why the man was afraid and decided instinctively that this was a fight or flight situation.
Yes, he must have had a reason for doing what he did. Like I said, do the math. Either you think perhaps blacks are just naturally violent as well as stupid and by default have physical confrontations over broken tail lights - or something happened in his dealings with the officer to make him understand that his life was in danger. As it was.
The cop's ruthless disregard for Scott's life inadvertently revealed in the video shows you exactly why the man was afraid and decided instinctively that this was a fight or flight situation.
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I call for zero preferential treatment for this officer or any other public official. If anything punishment should be enhanced being he's supposed to be the "good guy". I sat in a torture chamber for 15 months for drunkenly stumbling into a neighbors house. Everyday I turn the tv on I see these public people getting let go way too easy. Make them go to the torture chamber (Prison)
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To all the willy nilly defenders of the police and authorities no matter how often they transgress against our Constitutional rights in the day-to-day "conducting of their duties," whom you claim are never in the wrong: See what the rest of us have been trying to get you to realize and understand? We weren't lying, exaggerating, or imagining this behavior on behalf of the cops. RIP Walter Scott, calmly and methodically gunned down, shot in the back even, for non-payment of back child support by a 21st century Storm Trooper in Backwater Small-town USA. And you police and legal authorities apologists wonder where the outrage against the cops, District Attorneys and judges comes from?
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Not to excuse nonpayment of child support, but it's unlikely the cop even knew about that. Kind of like Michael Brown - yes, he had just prior to the incident been involved in an incident of minor thuggery in a convenience store. But the cop who killed him a few minutes later didn't t even know that. This isn't a minor point, or an excuse. It's a question of considering true cause and effect in the bigger picture.
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I would like to know if his tail light was even out in the first place.
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I bet the tail light was out before the officer left the scene.
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Apart from this video being horrifying, I can't help but think of all the other murders and cases of abuse that have been swept under the rug because due to lack of evidence and institutionalized racism. Just sickening.
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I'd like to see this cop's defense try to explain this one. What sort of reasoning or training results in this behavior from a police officer? What threat was this man posing to anybody? He was running away, for freak's sake!! It's obvious from the shooting and the immediate aftermath that there is a total disregard for the victim, no one checks to see if he's alive or anything. You can't hear what the others on the scene are saying, but they're obviously trying to cover their butts. And this poor man just lies there like a dead animal. I can't even express the outrage.
Police officers in the UK don't carry guns. Now, that takes guts.
My condolences to Mr. Scott's family. No one should have to see their loved ones treated like this.
Police officers in the UK don't carry guns. Now, that takes guts.
My condolences to Mr. Scott's family. No one should have to see their loved ones treated like this.
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The cops in the U.K. do carry guns: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_use_of_firearms_in_the_United_Kingdom.
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The police in the UK do not carry guns, instead there are special armed response units that are called in only when the situation dictates it.
From the link you provided:
"In the rest of the United Kingdom, police officers do not carry firearms, except in special circumstances"
The truth is that this officer probably fired off more rounds at this poor man than the entire UK armed police units did in a whole year.
From the link you provided:
"In the rest of the United Kingdom, police officers do not carry firearms, except in special circumstances"
The truth is that this officer probably fired off more rounds at this poor man than the entire UK armed police units did in a whole year.
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One defense lawyer already quit! Doesn't want to defend him after seeing the video! About time we have a smart lawyer instead of these idiots who defend people they KNOW are in the complete wrong. I don't know how they sleep at night.
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the police in this country are out of control
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This killing was absoutley unexceptable! That officer shot that poor man in the back! I am curious if there is a connection between them as they were both in the Coast Guard. It may be worthwhile to check this out. The officer shoul be stripped of his badge and sent to jail. My heart goes out to the deceased man's family.
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I have to say, I think it has FINALLY hit me. I understood it intellectually, but this just hit me like a ton of bricks - why black people are afraid of the police. (I am white.) I really regret that I never totally understood this.
In these incidents, I suspect I'm not the only white person who, while decrying the evident thuggishness of the police, also can't help thinking, "But why was he running?"
Well duh. The fact that his life meant absolutely nothing to this cop was known to HIM even if not to most comfortable white people. He was running because he was afraid, with good reason!
In these incidents, I suspect I'm not the only white person who, while decrying the evident thuggishness of the police, also can't help thinking, "But why was he running?"
Well duh. The fact that his life meant absolutely nothing to this cop was known to HIM even if not to most comfortable white people. He was running because he was afraid, with good reason!
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I f you had been hit with 40,000 volts you would have been running too.
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I watched the video while I was on my break at work. I told my co-workers about it-mostly because I found it so disturbing it was difficult to refocus. One of my co-workers-without even seeing the video-said "why don't they video all the cops that get shot?" It nearly brought me to my knees. What I heard was "It's ok to shoot a black man because cops get killed all the time." Mr. Scott was a guy with a broken taillight, Michael Slager is a murderer.
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I can't believe in this day and age a White cop would even think of shooting a black that was running away from him. I smell a rat.
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How many years from Rodney King to this? And the unanswered question is STILL what do we DO about it?
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Another unanswered question is...who's next?
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After watching the unjustifiable killings in NY, SC, MO and who knows ones not reported by the national media, WHY are we not discussing disarming local police? How many deaths are need before we look at the removing firearms from peace officers?
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I think you need to discuss the disarming of the public before you talk about disarming the police. The whole reason cops are more heavily armed nowadays was due to the influx of guns onto the streets into the hands of street gangs involved in the narcotics trade. We just had a drug bust here in town with cocaine, mj, and a host of small arms. I would not feel safe with the police unarmed, especially after a 14 year old opened up with a 9 mill on some teenagers. Did that make the national news? No, of course not, not sensational enough.
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Disarm the police? Why? So you can get away with anything? The police are doing the job to protect people. People like you and me....even Mr Scott. They are the authority. You are not suppose to run from them, point a gun (toy or not) at them, reach inside their vehicle for their gun, or rob a liquor store. Obey the laws and you won't have any issues. Simple as that. I'd like to see you be a white officer and go into a black neighborhood to help someone, without a gun. That's giving the officer a death sentence. But as we all know, blacks carry guns and shoot cops all the time (especially where I live). But u don't see it making national headlines, because us white ppl work and can't be standing on the streets or at press meetings call day.
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What happened was horrible but I cannot understand how everyone is saying that the cop shot an unarmed man. How would the cop know that the man is unarmed until he frisks him.
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maybe they're saying that because its the truth. why do white people always try to find an excuse for the police no matter how egregious the act. understandthis I'm a 55 year old black male I've been stopped numerous times I've been beaten up by a police officer when he stumbled on the curb while trying to frisk me. I never touch them but once he got up Keese long to put on at me and nearly broke my arm and leg I was just 17 year old college freshman.I was charged with atrocious assault and battery on a police officer he said I punched him in his chest and knocked him into the street mind you at the time I was 5'5 about 95 pounds this gentleman was 6'2 245.I was facing 10 years in prison but the plea offer was three days in jail and stay out of trouble for a year and it would be expunged from my record.after graduating from college I entered the Marine Corps here it was 4 years later and that charge was still on my record.officer Vincent Sessa of the Irvington New Jersey police department I have never forgotten his name 36 years later and I still remember this guy
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PG ...Did you not see the video? The guy is running away several feet away and was shot in the back many times. He was running away from the cop, not towards the cop. Either way the law is that a cop is not allowed to shoot under those circumstances. As it turns out, he WAS unarmed. And lets look at it another way... how would the guy when he gets pulled over, what this cops intentions are. How does he know that he is not being pulled over to get a beat down? It happens all the time
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because the only mention of a weapon was the officer saying the man tried to take his stun gun. the article also says in the video the officer appeared to pick up something from the point of their original scuffle and dropped it near the body. i believe if there had been any evidence of another weapon. police associations across the country would be screaming that the officer was justified in the shooting. but they're not.
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This story and video is so upsetting I cannot clear it out of my mind. I even confused the name of Walter Scott as that of the policeman MIchael Slager, previously intending to write in my earlier comment:
'This story should never lose its legs, and never stop running. The callousness and cruelty which causes the loss of dignity of any human being, whether shot with a gun or not shot with a gun, manages to make us less than human. This man was shot in the back and seemed to be no threat other than to the overtrained and insensitive ego of policeman MIchael Slager,' --- who, one commenter from the Netherlands wrote that the word "Slager" in Dutch, means "butcher."
'This story should never lose its legs, and never stop running. The callousness and cruelty which causes the loss of dignity of any human being, whether shot with a gun or not shot with a gun, manages to make us less than human. This man was shot in the back and seemed to be no threat other than to the overtrained and insensitive ego of policeman MIchael Slager,' --- who, one commenter from the Netherlands wrote that the word "Slager" in Dutch, means "butcher."
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If I didn't know any better, I would think this officer was in the comfort of his own living room playing a video game. He calmly fires his gun 8 times, without even appearing to flinch. Moving beyond video games and target practice to murdering someone has been on this officer's mind for a long time. He just didn't count on an audience filming the calm execution of this poor man! If this doesn't make our country sit up and take notice, nothing will. Mr. Scott, I hope your shocking death will not be in vain.
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I agree, his apparent calm and casual attitude are extremely chilling.
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Seeing the video and listening to the press conference, the Chief of Police should be put on hiatus right now. Sorry, but CPR??? Bull. Face down for long enough for cpr to be ineffective for anyone. Also the other officer arriving on scene he came from the direction the Scott was running towards, so why didn't he shoot him or get shot by Wild Slager shots? Something's not right in North Charleston at all.
No excuse for this kind of thing, and on the guy shooting the video, how did you not get all of the other things going on before this happened? The stopping of the car, etc. Or did you just ride up and everyone was in the field and then there's a dead man on the ground.
I'm angry that it's another white cop shooting a black man and there's a black officer in attendance who does nothing to help his fellow black man be saved in any form. That's what really gets me. Where's that cop at and why aren't we hearing from him? Someone share that one.
No excuse for this kind of thing, and on the guy shooting the video, how did you not get all of the other things going on before this happened? The stopping of the car, etc. Or did you just ride up and everyone was in the field and then there's a dead man on the ground.
I'm angry that it's another white cop shooting a black man and there's a black officer in attendance who does nothing to help his fellow black man be saved in any form. That's what really gets me. Where's that cop at and why aren't we hearing from him? Someone share that one.
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Are you seriously asking the video taker WHY he didn't get video footage in the beginning?? Do you ever think it takes a minute to think and then get your phone out (or other video device) my gawd he got all that was needed and I commend him for his awesome shot. Some video evidence is hard to see, this was excellent. That cop is gonna go down! Finally!
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I don't understand. I see at the end of the video two cops running up with a med kit, and start pulling out medical supplies. That's doing nothing?
I can't believe I had to witness a horrific crimes such as seeing a police officer trying to cover up a crime after he knew the unarmed man was dead after the kill shot to the heart..These have to be reminded of countless officers and racial killing that are going on....we should be banning race and religious branding to eliminate situations like this...we live in a world where stereotypes of all black men are harmful to the world and shoot first at a black man because they life don't matters. #blacklivesmatter...Its sad that we live in a 'advance' world but we act like bacteria killing of the human race.
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Let's see what happens at the jury trial in SC with a jury of his peers.
Video tape? Ha. "Who you gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes?"
Video tape? Ha. "Who you gonna believe? Me or your lyin' eyes?"
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I was very moved by watching tonight's MSNBC/CNN interviews with Mr. Santana, the man who taped the killing in the park, on his way to work in the barber shop where he heard plenty of talk about it.
He thought of the feelings of the family of the dead man. He saw that the police report contradicted what his eyes saw. He said that the cops doing "this kind of stuff--taking a person's life for no reason--has to stop, not just in his town, but everywhere."
And he said that "in his country, the Dominican Republic and in other Hispanic countries and even the world," people look up to the ideals of the US. This shows how we set an example, or should do so, but are not.
All this went through Santana's mind as he made the decision to turn over that video of his to the family's lawyer. And he fought back feelings of fear to do what he felt was right. This is a compelling story.
He thought of the feelings of the family of the dead man. He saw that the police report contradicted what his eyes saw. He said that the cops doing "this kind of stuff--taking a person's life for no reason--has to stop, not just in his town, but everywhere."
And he said that "in his country, the Dominican Republic and in other Hispanic countries and even the world," people look up to the ideals of the US. This shows how we set an example, or should do so, but are not.
All this went through Santana's mind as he made the decision to turn over that video of his to the family's lawyer. And he fought back feelings of fear to do what he felt was right. This is a compelling story.
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Videos, videos every time we see something brewing with citizens and cops!
Why do you all think that this cop was arrested? The video! without it, more lies, planting the stun gun which is plainly visible, and shooting this man in the back while he is doing nothing, not causing a threat. Imagine the story this cop already had in his head... And hand cuffing him after he fell to the ground?
This is a man last I checked, not an animal. The animal is the shooter, he belongs in jail for life. Hope he gets a taste of what he did in jail.
In a larger context this disease called racism mixed with a police state spells out what we hear and see too often. The previous cases like Ferguson, NY etc... should have indicted all the cops responsible for the deaths of these men. The war on blacks continue, when the heck is it ever going to stop?
Why do you all think that this cop was arrested? The video! without it, more lies, planting the stun gun which is plainly visible, and shooting this man in the back while he is doing nothing, not causing a threat. Imagine the story this cop already had in his head... And hand cuffing him after he fell to the ground?
This is a man last I checked, not an animal. The animal is the shooter, he belongs in jail for life. Hope he gets a taste of what he did in jail.
In a larger context this disease called racism mixed with a police state spells out what we hear and see too often. The previous cases like Ferguson, NY etc... should have indicted all the cops responsible for the deaths of these men. The war on blacks continue, when the heck is it ever going to stop?
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Plus they said he was administered cpr when you can plainly see in the video he was laying there for 4-5 mins with no cpr!
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What's disturbing is that the officer is cuffing the man after shooting him. And instead of rendering aid, he walks back to the location of the initial encounter, and picks up something (his Stungun?), and nonchalantly walks back to the dying man, and drops it. It looks like he's planting the Stungun? Near the man's body?
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Why did officer Michael T. Slager of South Carolina have to hands cuffed a dead man after shooting him 8 times? That may show, he don't care about his life.
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Just wonder how many more "centuries" is it going to take to get things right? For a supposedly "advanced" country the policing is medieval at best. What is it going to take for a country trying to preach to the world about democracy and law,to get this bizarre/criminal state of affairs fixed?
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He may have been charged with Mr. Scott's, but he has yet to be convicted of it. That will be the real test, if they can find a prosecutor, judge and jury that will be willing to do that. I'm sure that some are afraid of retaliation from cops if they do convict a cop. I hope he does get convicted, but I would not bet on it.
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Instead of courtesy, respect and professionalism, it's bullying, lying and killing - and almost always getting away with it. Adding insult to injury we have to listen to the completely uninformed or deliberately deceptive statements from police officials putting their self-serving spin on these murders. Too frequently the press and public have taken these official statements at face value, at least until enlightened by video taken by a courageous passerby. As to the Garner case on Staten Island, all of those six officers should have been charged and the EMS people who arrived and did nothing to help Garner should have been fired and charged with whatever the criminal code could support. And how about that image of the South Carolina officer handcuffing a dead man...
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". Because police departments are not required to release data on how often officers use force, it was not immediately clear how often police shootings occurred in North Charleston, a working-class community adjacent to the tourist destination of Charleston."
True, but... we are averaging about 100 civilians killed by police every month this year. by a low estimate gathered from news reports. Let's say 95% of those killed by police were guilty and threatening life. 12*5 = 60 "mistakes" each year. In comparison, there were 35 death row executions in 2014. Even if 97.5% of police killings are justifiable, we might as well make a duplicate death row for innocent people. 11,000+ police killings in 2014. 313+ this year. https://www.facebook.com/KilledByPolice?fref=ts
True, but... we are averaging about 100 civilians killed by police every month this year. by a low estimate gathered from news reports. Let's say 95% of those killed by police were guilty and threatening life. 12*5 = 60 "mistakes" each year. In comparison, there were 35 death row executions in 2014. Even if 97.5% of police killings are justifiable, we might as well make a duplicate death row for innocent people. 11,000+ police killings in 2014. 313+ this year. https://www.facebook.com/KilledByPolice?fref=ts
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I've never committed a violent crime, yet on two occasions I found a Police officer with his gun in my face and once he had his gun stuck into my armpit. I'm white, but guess since my daughter married a black man and lives in another city I am now a target. duh. I think I will stay inside at night. There are dangerous cops out there.
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Genuis, you don't need to commit a violent crime to have an officer put a gun to you. You just need to pose a threat. For example, not taking your hands out of your pockets or your jacket. Or keeping your hands out of view, behind your back, below the window in the car, etc. Also by acting belligerently, moving into the officers personal space, moving in an aggressive manner, etc.
What I find remarkable is that the cell phone of the videographer was not confiscated and destroyed by the police. They must not have noticed his presence at the scene.
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If I had shot that video, I would still move across the country, legally change my name, and take all my loved ones with me. Look at what happened to the guy who shot the Eric Garner video.
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What exactly happened?
Both he and his wife were arrested on trumped up charges. They will be doing time while the murdering cops are free to kill again.
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Used to be lynchings, now its cop shootings.
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Prayers to mr. Scotts family. This is very scary people. This exact thing happened to my nephew in toledo ohio back in 2013. Yes he was doing something wrong, but he was also fleeing from an officer when he was shot around the same amount of times all in the back while running away. He is no longer with us. The officer was never charged. Something needs to be done. I understand things are becoming scarier for them on their job, but there has to be some better judgements on someone that is running away. They pose no threat. I wish his case could be reopened and investigated. This officer was off duty and leaving a bar when this happened.
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I wonder If he will be put on paid suspended duties. Until he is found not guilty of course.
On top of all of this, about which words fail... this murder occurred in BROAD DAYLIGHT. How confident about one's place in the order of things must this cop be to murder with such nonchalance?
Indeed, evil wears an ordinary face.
Indeed, evil wears an ordinary face.
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Life in jail for him is not enough, it should be life for a life. Where's the law in the world that should be protecting us, not killing us? It's not a color thing, it's a wrong or right thing, and he was wrong. The law and justice needs to set a example to police officers and give him a death sentence, and hopefully the killing stops!
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Death is the easy way out. He deserves to sit alone in PC for the next forty or fifty years. The black officer should be next door as well for doing nothing when the other officer planted evidence.
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R.I.P. Mr. Scott
And as far as the police officer goes he should be given the death penalty
And as far as the police officer goes he should be given the death penalty
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This month Officer Slager is our country's keynote undisciplined disciplinarian. The surreal video of Walter L. Scott being gunned down has a "disturbed" and "routine" look about it.
We need to take a closer look at this "routine", and create a national data base of our police's use of lethal force. Who is killing who, for what, and how often. I hope that this will be a part of President Obama's recommended host of changes to our nation's police policies.
Responsible people on all sides should welcome more accountability
We need to take a closer look at this "routine", and create a national data base of our police's use of lethal force. Who is killing who, for what, and how often. I hope that this will be a part of President Obama's recommended host of changes to our nation's police policies.
Responsible people on all sides should welcome more accountability
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R.I.P. Mr. Scott and condolences to his family. I see this as a cowardly, murderous act by the police officer. But when something like this happens, it needs to be examined within a context. For example, I found it very interesting that the mayor stated "...because of this video..." that the officer would be charged with murder. As others have commented here. maybe it's ONLY because of this video that anything's being done, and there are now too many witnesses to refute. It's quite telling the mayor also added "...I don't care if it's someone behind the shield or JUST a citizen on the street...". Just a citizen? Does he suggest that cops are more important than citizens? Maybe the ex-officer thought he could get away with it because of attitudes like those of this mayor. As the mayor said, "When you're wrong, you're wrong" which is pretty straightforward. I'd like to add, "When you're biased, you're biased", and you can't hide it, especially not in a statement to the press.
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Dear Michele, had there not been Rodney King and others caught irrefutably on video, this would all still be conveniently swept under the rug. Sad to say, at every echelon of US authority, open season on blacks is still very much in fashion, indeed, in high fashion and every time white "friends" fail to take action along side their black brothers and sisters to end it, they further sew the seeds of years more of oppression and injustice for all people not "of the Manor Born".
We need a reward setup so that everyone with a camera will be assured that getting the evidence will be rewarded. $1,000,000 for any wrongful law enforcement shooting caught on video. It should be world wide as these injustices need to be stopped everywhere.
We need a reward setup so that everyone with a camera will be assured that getting the evidence will be rewarded. $1,000,000 for any wrongful law enforcement shooting caught on video. It should be world wide as these injustices need to be stopped everywhere.
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Put him in prison with the general population.
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Fully agree Gene!
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Seen from abroad, this actual case of murderous racism seems incontrovertible.
Remarkable only how relaxed the officer is shooting again and again and again at the back of Mr. Scott running for his life in all european news. A former member of coast guard, risking his life to safe others if i'm right.
How sure must this officer have been of the following `justice'? Calm that way. True securing of evidence impossible. Only a paralyzer at the side and no questions asked. For sure.
How many coloured were killed by police the last few month? Too many, i guess. And reading comments denying racism, i know it's going on exactly that way. Just depressing.
Remarkable only how relaxed the officer is shooting again and again and again at the back of Mr. Scott running for his life in all european news. A former member of coast guard, risking his life to safe others if i'm right.
How sure must this officer have been of the following `justice'? Calm that way. True securing of evidence impossible. Only a paralyzer at the side and no questions asked. For sure.
How many coloured were killed by police the last few month? Too many, i guess. And reading comments denying racism, i know it's going on exactly that way. Just depressing.
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This sort of thing has been a problem here for minorities, members of subcultures, the poor, those who are opposed to a system that entrenches two parties and denies others the same media access, etc. It's only come to light recently to those who don't belong to those groups, due to the overwhelming presence of private cameras. Some of have known all along though, and many learned it the hard way. Perhaps it would be less surprising had they known the verifiable historical fact that the original police forces in this nation that weren't private security... were cobbled together out of actual CRIMINAL gang members, that were deemed most likely to obey the social elites if they sanctioned their new gang.
I think there is another lesson from this video besides the fact it shows the importance of filming the police whenever there is a confrontation between officer and citizen in this nation. If you get a video of the police killing someone.. hang on to it a week or two before sending it to the media. This means the police will have cemented their false story to the point that they can't adapt it to correspond more with the video. I feel strongly, as many do.. that THIS is why the case is not being swept under the rug.
I think there is another lesson from this video besides the fact it shows the importance of filming the police whenever there is a confrontation between officer and citizen in this nation. If you get a video of the police killing someone.. hang on to it a week or two before sending it to the media. This means the police will have cemented their false story to the point that they can't adapt it to correspond more with the video. I feel strongly, as many do.. that THIS is why the case is not being swept under the rug.
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There is no doubt that without this video the policeman would never have been arrested.They are so arrogant and sure that they can kill on a whim without ever even being questioned.
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Honestly, you can tell he is relaxed while shooting? In the grainy video? What, is he smoking and drinking a beer as well? Have you seen actual combat footage? Do the soldiers look "tense" or look "relaxed"? How in the world can you tell all this from the video? The amazing thing, no one knows how they will react in a situation such as this. Some people can maintain calm, only to suffer stress effects hours later. Others fall apart during an emergency. What I suggest is you talk to your local firefighters and police and ask how they behave during an emergency. People who maintain calm and don't fall apart under stress usually do well as firefighters, police, and as soldiers. Think about it...
We should all videotape every time police stops or arrests someone. Doing it on mass will put the evil ones on notice. Sending a couple of those murders to prison for life will have a preventive effect on itchy trigger fingers.
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does anyone know what was dropped before the cop started shooting?
The Stungun
It seems like a animal hunting. It is disgusting.
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Je suis Walter Scott
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Demand video camera's for all police everywhere!
Demand outside investigations of all police shootings!
I can not think of a single reason that we do not adopt both of these simple policies as a country. Good cops will have no concern. It will simply root out the evil.
Demand outside investigations of all police shootings!
I can not think of a single reason that we do not adopt both of these simple policies as a country. Good cops will have no concern. It will simply root out the evil.
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Glad someone took this video. This cop needs to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
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I won't even begin to address the conversation of race & bias in policing here. That's really not an issue that can be discussed with any substance in a comment section.
I just want to say that I really appreciate the New York Times ending the article with a happy vignette from Mr. Scott's life, that was really humanizing.
I just want to say that I really appreciate the New York Times ending the article with a happy vignette from Mr. Scott's life, that was really humanizing.
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Are white police officers emboldened for not being charged with murdering black people men? Micheal Slager thought he would get away like the others who killed with impunity. What kind of society are we creating where citizens live in fear of those who are to serve and protect them?
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If this cop can be charged with murder, then so should the cops who murdered Eric Garner. Murder is the word. He posed no threat, b/c he was unarmed, and even if resisted arrest, which he did in a small way, he was SURROUNDED by 6 officers. Three could have easily restrained and handcuffed him even if needed.
Garner's case showed sociopathic callousness and depraved indifference to human life by a group of officers of the law. Tragically, I think those cops were just expressing their power and dominance when they crushed Garner.
That's how distorted our justice system has developed, that cops know they can get away with murder on video, even after it's shown to the public hundreds of times. This is a cause of escalating violence by cops. The prosecutor and grand jury made sure nobody was even indicted much less put on trial, much less sentenced.
Punishing cops is to be avoided at all costs, The unconscious idea is that law and order will be threatened unless cops are given complete freedom to do as they please. But don't say this--the media publicity, and the script of pretending a justice system is played out in every case. The excuses and methods are all set up ready to use. The grand jury is plays out their role as convincing theater. The atrocious police union always paints the situation to benefit the cop before any investigation is complete. So much for the rule in our Constitutional democracy USA.
Garner's case showed sociopathic callousness and depraved indifference to human life by a group of officers of the law. Tragically, I think those cops were just expressing their power and dominance when they crushed Garner.
That's how distorted our justice system has developed, that cops know they can get away with murder on video, even after it's shown to the public hundreds of times. This is a cause of escalating violence by cops. The prosecutor and grand jury made sure nobody was even indicted much less put on trial, much less sentenced.
Punishing cops is to be avoided at all costs, The unconscious idea is that law and order will be threatened unless cops are given complete freedom to do as they please. But don't say this--the media publicity, and the script of pretending a justice system is played out in every case. The excuses and methods are all set up ready to use. The grand jury is plays out their role as convincing theater. The atrocious police union always paints the situation to benefit the cop before any investigation is complete. So much for the rule in our Constitutional democracy USA.
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I agree that the cop who choked Eric Garner should be charged with murder.
Mayor DeBlasio's wishy washy comments about this event today, gave me little hope that NYC will take any action against Policeman Pantaleo who killed Eric Garner.
Mayor DeBlasio's wishy washy comments about this event today, gave me little hope that NYC will take any action against Policeman Pantaleo who killed Eric Garner.
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although the officer is in serious trouble , why did scott leave the traffic stop and why did he run away not following an officers instruction at any time does have consequences, for the family its a horrible tragedy i hope all truths come out on this incident!
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That consequence should not be instant death.
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He lives in the south, the cops, white males have a long history there (and elsewhere) of being no friend to a black man. They can take your life (and liberty and pursuit of happiness in a heartbeat) so you run for even the most minor of infraction because you know it will not be minor for you. You are stopped constantly, while waiting for the bus, while walking down the street while seating on your stoop, while getting to work or to buy a pack of cigarettes, so you run because a stop by a cop is not a friendly stop, it's not a warning stop, its a getting arrested stop, a fine stop, a summons to appear in court stop. A stop you can't afford. So you run and take your chances as to whether or not running will get you shot in the back. He took the chance.
He lost.
He lost.
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And what truth would that be?
All I can do is shake my head... He didn't have to kill the man like that...
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i just wish he didn't run from the cop. he would have live. why would he run??? he knows better not to run away from the cops.
Yes I am glad this bad blood cop is going to jail.
Yes I am glad this bad blood cop is going to jail.
Blaming the victim, I see. It doesn't matter why he ran and you don't know for certain if the results wouldn't have been the same if he DIDN'T run. That rotten cop was very comfortable killing Mr. Scott, very comfortable in his contempt for black life.
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The 2 other cops at the seen fabricated their reports as well, without the video they would have helped to cover this mess up. Those 2 officers better be facing harsh discipline as well.
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*at the scene (stupid autocorrect...)
And this was caught on a camera, god knows how many got killed like this in America.
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The officer could have called for back up and handle this without taking the life of Mr. Scott. Police departments across the country need to take a close look at its officers and acess them to see if they are fit to do policing. There should also be cultural sensitivity training and the hiring of more minority officers proportionate to the community they serve.
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Those 2 other officers were pretty close by when it went down, they are liars as well.
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Back up? To get a car with a broken tail light off the road? Heavens yes, call I a SWAT team.
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I agree, thank the 'tech' world for phones with video capability. Ten years ago this heinous crime probably would not have been captured and the police officer could have made up any scenario he chose. Eye witnesses would most likely have been intimidated...especially if they were black.
Then to handcuff Mr. Scott as he lay dead in the road is just beyond any show of human decency. Apparently no revival efforts were made.
Then to handcuff Mr. Scott as he lay dead in the road is just beyond any show of human decency. Apparently no revival efforts were made.
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History speaks for itself with regards to racism and discrimination against African Americans. The issue here is that the officer THOUGHT he could get away with the murder. Clearly he had NO CLUE he was being recorded. It's horrible when a person who is trained to protect the community uses his authority to take another persons life with No regard. This is a sad day in America!
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Yes Bruce. And dropping it next to the body.
The guy who captured this video did an ever greater job than Malcolm Butler did in Superbowl 49. This cameraman was BRAVE! May God Bless him.
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Slager is a liar. He went back to pick up his stun gun, because he had already reported by radio that Mr.Scott had taken it from him. Which is why he throws it next to his body after he went back to retrieve it. He wanted to make it appear that Mr. Scott had possesion of that taser. Reality is, Slager tried to tase Mr.Scott, however was unsuccessful and did not fall down nor stop running. At that point he decides "This taser isn't working. Let me drop it, and use my gun." Then Im going to report that he took my taser, so I will plant my taser next to his body as false evidence when my backup arrives.
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Or, Officer Slager was retrieving something that could be considered evidence. Great to see all the junior detectives out in force.
Please stop focusing on race. The video clearly shows a black officer ALSO doing NOTHING to help this man. This is an issue with the training and selection of individuals given the privilege to "Protect & Serve". A White officer shoots a fleeing black man repeatedly. THEN handcuffs this unarmed man (that's he just shot 5 times in the back), leaving him face down in the dirt! What is protocol for care? What threat is an unarmed man shot in the back 5 times? A second officer, that happens to be black, also leaves this man face down, handcuffed and makes zero attempt to render aide. These are BAD cops not racists.
Citizens need to demand that no one be given the ability or authority to use lethal force until they have passed extensive psych and ability exams. ONLY cops with ongoing, specialized training , education and evaluations should have the power to end a life!
There are many amazing officers of all colors. It is possible to find men and women that maintain clear heads under pressure and can withstand the war zones many police find themselves facing. This video shows two officers devoid of compassion or guilt. It is the sense of entitlement and superiority that bad cops cherish that killed this man and left him to die like a hunted animal.
Citizens need to demand that no one be given the ability or authority to use lethal force until they have passed extensive psych and ability exams. ONLY cops with ongoing, specialized training , education and evaluations should have the power to end a life!
There are many amazing officers of all colors. It is possible to find men and women that maintain clear heads under pressure and can withstand the war zones many police find themselves facing. This video shows two officers devoid of compassion or guilt. It is the sense of entitlement and superiority that bad cops cherish that killed this man and left him to die like a hunted animal.
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I would agree except for one thing: white cops kill more black men than white men. FACT. So, it's not 'pulling the race' when the it's the TRUTH --- it's no myth, it's no stereotype .. it's a national tragedy, and it MUST be stopped.
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May Ploy needs to brush up her N.W.A. In 1988, Ice Cube addressed similar situations, involving a dominant white police officer with a black partner.
"But don't let it be a black and a white one
"'Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top
"Black police showing out for the white cop"
Saying the shooting of Walter Scott has nothing to with race is like saying Jim Crow had nothing to do with slavery.
"But don't let it be a black and a white one
"'Cause they'll slam ya down to the street top
"Black police showing out for the white cop"
Saying the shooting of Walter Scott has nothing to with race is like saying Jim Crow had nothing to do with slavery.
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Really, doing nothing? He looks over the body, sees the wounds and goes into action. One police officer has to stay with the suspect/victim. The others retrieve a med kit and start administering first aid. Oh, by the way, the victim could not have been declared at the scene unless a doctor was present. Only a MD can declare a death.
As the white child of a retired LEO, I completely agree with the charges brought against the officer.
Mr. Scott's family has been unbelievably gracious throughout all this, simply seeking justice and asking for any demonstrations to be peaceful. I am extremely grateful for that, and fully support them. I hope people will continue to follow their lead, and Mr. Scott's death will not be in vain; that this will draw the needed constructive attention to (and mark the beginning of the end of) these situations. May this family's legacy be that of helping to bring us together and begin healing our nation.
Mr. Scott's family has been unbelievably gracious throughout all this, simply seeking justice and asking for any demonstrations to be peaceful. I am extremely grateful for that, and fully support them. I hope people will continue to follow their lead, and Mr. Scott's death will not be in vain; that this will draw the needed constructive attention to (and mark the beginning of the end of) these situations. May this family's legacy be that of helping to bring us together and begin healing our nation.
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Please, can you explain what being a "white" child of a retired LEO has to do with anything? Have you received any training as a LEO, or do you think its genetic? What environment did your LEO parent serve, and in what decade?
"Under U.S. law the fleeing felon rule was limited in 1985 to non-lethal force in most cases by Tennessee v. Garner, 471 U.S. 1. The justices held that deadly force "may not be used unless necessary to prevent the escape and the officer has probable cause to believe that the suspect poses a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to the officer or others."--------
NUFF said!!
NUFF said!!
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Mr. Scott wasn't a fleeing felon. Yes, he was running away but he wasn't a felon, had not just committed a felony and the reason for him fleeing is up for debate at this point. Given what we witnessed via the video recording, I cannot rule out that this man fled because he was in fear for his life. Who knows what Slager said to him in the moments leading up to the events that unfolded on the video.
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It has not yet been determined he was a felon, in Russia maybe, in Iran maybe, but this is the US - innocent until proven guilty.
It was a traffic stop for goshsakes. Any one of us could be stopped for a traffic stop. Besides if you are black (or brown), you know you will be stopped on some minor traffic violation (or no violation) that can be escalated by police provocation.
I hope that this will finally illustrate to the general population what black and brown people have been saying for years. This is not the only video of a cop shooting a black man on some supposed traffic violation. There is another one of a cop seeing a truck drive around a back alley to a gas station in South Carolina. The cop follows him (and why?), moves up along side, while the man is at the gas station. The cops asks for ID, the man turns around to get the ID. The cop gets out of the car and when the man turns around with the ID, the cops shoots him. It's on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeT_oSLtI-o
Ill-trained cops who have been enculturated in this society to fear black man (a fear that has been ongoing for 400 years) should not be armed (and therefore dangerous) while supposedly employed to protect. This is a society that has demonized black males - our fathers, sons, uncles, and brothers. I fear everyday, that my son who has never been in trouble with law will one day be stopped and shot by a cop while walking while black. Its a real and genuine fear that I have. He reassures me that he goes to work and goes home and minds his business and yet I worry.
It was a traffic stop for goshsakes. Any one of us could be stopped for a traffic stop. Besides if you are black (or brown), you know you will be stopped on some minor traffic violation (or no violation) that can be escalated by police provocation.
I hope that this will finally illustrate to the general population what black and brown people have been saying for years. This is not the only video of a cop shooting a black man on some supposed traffic violation. There is another one of a cop seeing a truck drive around a back alley to a gas station in South Carolina. The cop follows him (and why?), moves up along side, while the man is at the gas station. The cops asks for ID, the man turns around to get the ID. The cop gets out of the car and when the man turns around with the ID, the cops shoots him. It's on Youtube https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeT_oSLtI-o
Ill-trained cops who have been enculturated in this society to fear black man (a fear that has been ongoing for 400 years) should not be armed (and therefore dangerous) while supposedly employed to protect. This is a society that has demonized black males - our fathers, sons, uncles, and brothers. I fear everyday, that my son who has never been in trouble with law will one day be stopped and shot by a cop while walking while black. Its a real and genuine fear that I have. He reassures me that he goes to work and goes home and minds his business and yet I worry.
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If what you mean is, "Officer Slager isn't protected by Tennessee v. Garner," then congratulations, you're right!
If what you mean is, "Mr. Scott was a fleeing felon, and Officer Slager had probable cause to believe that Mr. Scott posed a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to himself or others, so he's protected by Tennessee v. Garner," I sincerely hope you aren't a member of the Bar.
If what you mean is, "Mr. Scott was a fleeing felon, and Officer Slager had probable cause to believe that Mr. Scott posed a significant threat of death or serious bodily harm to himself or others, so he's protected by Tennessee v. Garner," I sincerely hope you aren't a member of the Bar.
What happened to Andy Griffith? I'm thinking we need more Maybury and less Billy bad .... Well you know what I'm saying.
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When we step back and don't even talk about why shots were fired in this and several other incidents, the first thing that comes to my mind is why so many shots are being fired. 8 shots fired with 5 striking the victim. Isn't that a little excessive? Most of these incidents involve the victim getting hit multiple times and I've heard of several where the victim was hit 5 or more times.
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Police are trained to continue firing till the suspect is down. They're trained that way so they don't shoot a suspect once and then approach and risk getting shot themselves. It's why most shootings seem excessive cause most suspects don't go down after getting hit once. rapid firing and a suspect not falling after getting hit the first 1-2 times leads to more shoots then is really needed.
One shot was "excessive" Killed for a tail light. We have to be more careful about who may wear a gun in law enforcement.
If guns do the killing should police be armed at all?
In a more just society this poor guy should have been offered the opportunity to shoot back.
If guns do the killing should police be armed at all?
In a more just society this poor guy should have been offered the opportunity to shoot back.
Jesse, maybe officers are trained to fire rapidly, at someone who's threatening their lives, but I doubt they're trained to shoot an unarmed person (who's running away), in the back until they drop. I think there has to be an immediate danger to the officer's life. Even if the "suspect' had turned and approached the officer, it still wouldn't be justified unless the officer's life was threatened.
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Pro Publica reports that officer involved shootings where the policeman cites "I was fearing for my life' has doubled since 1985. That was the year our 'wonderful' the Supreme Court ruled that the police could only justify the use of deadly force if the suspect posed a threat to the police. what is the threat posed by an unarmed man running away?
I cant even describe how bad I felt after watching this video.
This has got to stop.
I cant even describe how bad I felt after watching this video.
This has got to stop.
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The officer could not have known whether or not he was armed. He fled from the officer from a routine traffic stop. That is a big red flag. I remember a particular border crossing from Canada, where the driver ran from his car when the border agent stopped him to ask some questions. The trunk of the car contained bombs the driver was planning to use to blow up the LA airport.
I saw the video first thing this morning and cannot get it out of my mind. I've gone back and watched it several times in absolute horror. The officer clearly throws the taser behind him, shoots the unarmed man to death, runs over to make sure he's dead, runs back, gets the taser and then plants it next to the dead body just as another officer shows up. Neither officer makes the slightest attempt to assist the man--not even to check his condition--for almost three minutes as he lies face down in the mud. The nonchalant attitude of both officers is possibly even more shocking than the murder itself. They both display a casual, "been there, done that" attitude about the whole thing, knowing that they could pull the "I was afraid" card and nothing would happen. EXCEPT FOR THE VIDEO. Whoever shot that video deserves a medal.
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a police officer fires shots at a man running away. does he aim just to stop him (non-lethal force)? not when he shoots 8 times and then sees the man drop to the ground face down. the officer screams 'put your hands behind your back' to a dying man. when he sees how gravely injured the man is, does he even attempt to move him so that he can breathe? NO. not even when another person arrives do they do this. it's not about race, it's about inhumanity. NO ONE cared to spare or save his life. NO ONE in that video.
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I watched the video with my eyes partially closed, this is becoming way to frequent ..... I certainly don't trust officers the way I once did.
I hope this officer Michael T Slager spends the rest of his life in prison!!
I hope this officer Michael T Slager spends the rest of his life in prison!!
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I wonder how many more murders by police would have been discovered had there had been videos in every case? I have Mediterranean olive skin not black but I am weary of the dixie states. Look at Trayvon Martin. Even vigilantes in those racist state can kill a human being for no reason and get away with it. Sure most police officer are good people but those few who shoot for the slightest reason ruin it for the good majority of the officers. I wish police department would not hire thugs who muscle people around every chance they get. Ever been stopped in New York City? If not, drive in NYC with out-of-state (NJ does not count) they will find a way to ticket you.
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That it should take yet another "tragic incident"-(SO MANY) on video-(VERY, VERY FEW) of a police officer beating-(MANY)/killing-(AGAIN, MANY) a fellow citizen of color to highlight these injustices is beyond alarming. How much PROOF does the American public NEED to recognize that their is a HUGE problem here? The police are employed by the American public and are sworn-(a joke to FAR too many bad cops) to PROTECT us. When will WE & the politicians we elect FORCE changes that will ensure that NO American citizen of ANY COLOR is a victim of such savagery? The status quo CANNOT be allowed to continue for it is just a matter of time before this type of LAW ENFORCEMENT touches the lives of us ALL if we don't DEMAND changes. When cops are allowed to officially become the MONSTERS we fear, there will be NOWHERE to RUN for SAFETY!!!...GOD help us all!
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They don't care about us. The laws are made to protect them! Not Us...]
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This version of the account that I just witnessed makes me sick. First of all, no one should run from the police, that's a given. However, police officers are supposed to be trained in pursuit and they are never to shot unless they fear for their life or for the lives of others including the perpetrator. Not only did this police officer not follow his own training, he shot and killed this man for what?.....running from the police and having a taillight out. That is ridiculous. The fact that he planted some evidence further calls for the immediate firing of this officer. I wish people would think before they act: starting with the man who chose to run from an officer and ending with the officer who chose to shoot and killed this man for running. Shame, shame, shame.
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"I wish people would think before they act: starting with the man who chose to run from an officer and ending with the officer who chose to shoot and killed this man for running. Shame, shame, shame."
Shame on you for the victim-blaming part of this comment. I wish people would think before posting nonsensical comments like this. You are trying to shame the victim. Running away from a cop is not morally wrong - shooting a harmless man running away from you is completely morally reprehensible. These two things are not even comparable, so don't put them in the same box. This type of thinking is probably what was going through Slager's mind as he decided to murder this man. "It's a shame he's running away - he'll pay!"
Shame on you for the victim-blaming part of this comment. I wish people would think before posting nonsensical comments like this. You are trying to shame the victim. Running away from a cop is not morally wrong - shooting a harmless man running away from you is completely morally reprehensible. These two things are not even comparable, so don't put them in the same box. This type of thinking is probably what was going through Slager's mind as he decided to murder this man. "It's a shame he's running away - he'll pay!"
8 shots, at the back, one pierced his heart, and It all started with a traffic stop?
At first, I, African American, close in age to the victim, tremble with rage trying to stop the tears, and then...I just go numb. This is the new lynching. The hunt is seemingly innocuous. The prey responds, not always thinking clearly. The trap is set so our reaction becomes the excuse for the pounce. Snared, life force drained, the carcass is discarded, eventually forgotten, as dust in the wind.
If this doesn't change things... I won't even finish that sentence.
It won't change a thing.
It's as if our Black communities are in a perpetual war zone where minor violations provide a pretext for the utmost subjugation.
From the new debtor prisons, to stop-and-frisk, to execution style police actions escalating from petty offenses, it's maddening that outrage does not become channeled as sustained revolt in this country.
Numb to it all, we (I include myself in this "we") continue our lives, trying to convince ourselves that nothing is happening that requires the bloodletting by police of citizens to be shared more equitably by those who are not Black and/or heavily policed.
What will move us? And when? When we need the hashtag WhiteLivesMatter?
Surely, nothing but a revolution (however you want to define it) will change things.
"By any means necessary," was never just a slogan. It's how Black folk have always had to lead our lives. It's a war out there, even at a traffic stop.
At first, I, African American, close in age to the victim, tremble with rage trying to stop the tears, and then...I just go numb. This is the new lynching. The hunt is seemingly innocuous. The prey responds, not always thinking clearly. The trap is set so our reaction becomes the excuse for the pounce. Snared, life force drained, the carcass is discarded, eventually forgotten, as dust in the wind.
If this doesn't change things... I won't even finish that sentence.
It won't change a thing.
It's as if our Black communities are in a perpetual war zone where minor violations provide a pretext for the utmost subjugation.
From the new debtor prisons, to stop-and-frisk, to execution style police actions escalating from petty offenses, it's maddening that outrage does not become channeled as sustained revolt in this country.
Numb to it all, we (I include myself in this "we") continue our lives, trying to convince ourselves that nothing is happening that requires the bloodletting by police of citizens to be shared more equitably by those who are not Black and/or heavily policed.
What will move us? And when? When we need the hashtag WhiteLivesMatter?
Surely, nothing but a revolution (however you want to define it) will change things.
"By any means necessary," was never just a slogan. It's how Black folk have always had to lead our lives. It's a war out there, even at a traffic stop.
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Mr. Glover,
as a white middle aged male I can't hope to understand your personal feelings with regards to race. however as a human being, seeing another human shot down in cold blood is an afront to every person in our great country. Just the other day I remarked to my wife about furgeson, I can't believe a cop would shoot an unarmed man in broad daylight. I have been proven sorely mistaken. If cops have the right to police and use force, then they should have the responsibility to use it correctly. I see no reason he should not get the death penalty.
I hear your talk of revolution and i worry. give Obama and the US government a chance to make this right. See justice served, I hope, and this man hung high, or maybe drop him in a max security prison. I'm sure he'd choose the death penalty first. I get it's hard not to view this as a huge racial issue, but please believe there are millions of disgusted and angry white people as well, and we want justice too. We may not feel it with the same strength and personal connection but we feel it. That's why thousands of whites marched in the protests around the country for ferguson and why thousands of whites marched with dr. King. Obam a needs to come out strong with a national policy, start holding local cowboys responsible for any use of excessive force. Make it a federal crime. Put them in prison .
as a white middle aged male I can't hope to understand your personal feelings with regards to race. however as a human being, seeing another human shot down in cold blood is an afront to every person in our great country. Just the other day I remarked to my wife about furgeson, I can't believe a cop would shoot an unarmed man in broad daylight. I have been proven sorely mistaken. If cops have the right to police and use force, then they should have the responsibility to use it correctly. I see no reason he should not get the death penalty.
I hear your talk of revolution and i worry. give Obama and the US government a chance to make this right. See justice served, I hope, and this man hung high, or maybe drop him in a max security prison. I'm sure he'd choose the death penalty first. I get it's hard not to view this as a huge racial issue, but please believe there are millions of disgusted and angry white people as well, and we want justice too. We may not feel it with the same strength and personal connection but we feel it. That's why thousands of whites marched in the protests around the country for ferguson and why thousands of whites marched with dr. King. Obam a needs to come out strong with a national policy, start holding local cowboys responsible for any use of excessive force. Make it a federal crime. Put them in prison .
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In 2012, 123 African-Americans were shot dead by police. In the same year, 326 whites were killed by police.
I'm not defending this tragedy, my point is that you're mistaken in thinking it's only happening to people with black skin.
Here's another set of statistics: of all murders between 1980-2008, roughly 42% were black-on-black, 41% were white-on-white, 8% were black-on-white and 3% were white-on-black.
Another another: In 2013, 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.
What we have here, Tony, is a human problem. Please stop thinking this is about you and people with your skin color, because it's not.
AllLivesMatter
I'm not defending this tragedy, my point is that you're mistaken in thinking it's only happening to people with black skin.
Here's another set of statistics: of all murders between 1980-2008, roughly 42% were black-on-black, 41% were white-on-white, 8% were black-on-white and 3% were white-on-black.
Another another: In 2013, 83 percent of white murder victims were killed by white offenders; 90 percent of black victims were killed by black offenders; 14 percent of white victims were killed by black offenders; and 7.6 percent of black victims were killed by white offenders.
What we have here, Tony, is a human problem. Please stop thinking this is about you and people with your skin color, because it's not.
AllLivesMatter
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I will bet an ice cream sundae that if Police Dept.'s were reporting actual stats on the race of victims in police-involved shootings, the white on black murder rate would be much higher.
This is the new American slavery -the police are modern day overseers.
America clearly does not see this as a human problem. The motive force for systemic violence against black is precisely because the white-run structure dehumanizes black Americans.
If white Americans saw black Americans as human, the levels of violence by police and others would be far less.
This is the new American slavery -the police are modern day overseers.
America clearly does not see this as a human problem. The motive force for systemic violence against black is precisely because the white-run structure dehumanizes black Americans.
If white Americans saw black Americans as human, the levels of violence by police and others would be far less.
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The interesting part of this story is that this officer "felt threatened" and had his taser taken away. Thank the stars for the person who took this video. It goes to show that "official statements" given by the police when altercations with the public (especially with African Americans) leads to a loss of life; that statement needs to be scrutinized and questioned with a fine tooth comb.
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If the officer felt he was justified he wouldn't have tampered with the evidence..
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I watched the video once, and have not had the stomach to go back again not even to look at the finer points that have come out as to the activities after Mr Scott was laying on the ground.
How a person could stand there and shoot down another human being in the back is beyond me, no less under the color of law enforcement believing he would get away with it. If the story of fellow officers covering for Mr. Salger are true than they need to be fired and charged at least with aiding the filing of false reports. The 'Blue Wall of Silence' must be broken with actions that show it will not longer be tolerated.
I am white and can only imagine what it must to be Black in America today. Here in the San Francisco bay area we see daily the environment that Blacks in the Oakland area live in, with daily drive-by shooting, children shot in their homes from random gun shoots in the streets outside their homes, they live with death.
The each police officer must be part of the solution by telling his fellow officers," I will cover for you when you right but I will report you when you do wrong", Then and only then will people begin to trust those sworn to protect them.
How a person could stand there and shoot down another human being in the back is beyond me, no less under the color of law enforcement believing he would get away with it. If the story of fellow officers covering for Mr. Salger are true than they need to be fired and charged at least with aiding the filing of false reports. The 'Blue Wall of Silence' must be broken with actions that show it will not longer be tolerated.
I am white and can only imagine what it must to be Black in America today. Here in the San Francisco bay area we see daily the environment that Blacks in the Oakland area live in, with daily drive-by shooting, children shot in their homes from random gun shoots in the streets outside their homes, they live with death.
The each police officer must be part of the solution by telling his fellow officers," I will cover for you when you right but I will report you when you do wrong", Then and only then will people begin to trust those sworn to protect them.
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I don't know that I've ever seen anything like this in my life. I live in SC & I don't know what to think that something like this has happened 90 mins from my home. I watched that video and for 4 mins, I felt like time had stopped. When the video ended, I could only hear my heart beating. There is no reason other than pure evil for Mr. Scott ro have been murdered. The police are no better than the criminals. It doesn't take 8 bullets to subdue a man in his 50s who ran about as well as my 85yo grandmother. I hope that murderer gets just and swift and like punishment. I can't even pray over this right now. I am so sorry for Mr. Scott and his family.
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Based on the video it does appear the officer shot this man without just cause. On the other hand, this guy like those involved in recent cases appears to have struggled with the officer and then ran away. If the man followed the officers' directions, he and those involved in the past cases would be alive today. I saw on the news, this man was afraid he would be arrested for not paying child support. That would suggest he had a reason to struggle with the officer and run. This does not in any way justify the officer killing him. The officer likely had no idea the man had a warrant for his arrest if the news report was true. All the officer knew is the man had a broken tail light, this started as legitimate and routine traffic stop. It sounds like some people believe if you are black you should not be held accountable for anything, stealing, having insurance, paying chilkd support or selling drugs. If some white cop has the nerve to hold a black person accountable then he/she must be a racist. That is every bit as wrong as this man being shot when he posed no threat to the officer or anyone else based on the video.
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Certainly, one person with knowledge of the law who felt that this shooting was unjustified and criminal was Officer Michael T. Slager, who sought to cover it up and alter the facts. Moreover, shooting someone in the back as they run away is an act of immorality and cowardice. There is no justification and Slager knew it.
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Are you truly serious? You call shooting an unarmed person eight times in the back, letting them die in front of you, lieing to your superiors about giving them aid, and planting a taser near their body so you can blame the victem 'holding them accountable'? I can't really find words to express how utterly sick and inhuman that sounds.
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Mohammad,
Here's how it works for the poor in America: intimidation. (The police are now employing this against the middle class as well.) The police arrest guys like this and give them yet another fine they can't afford to pay or they lock them up and the guy loses his job. The police and the DA want to get the message out by word of mouth: we're in charge, step out of line and we'll eventually throw you in prison. That's why 0.7% of all Americans are in prison today. If you add in the people who's lives have been permanently ruined because of past crimes it's more like 20%. These are the people the US government want to hold up as examples. America is a police state.
Here's how it works for the poor in America: intimidation. (The police are now employing this against the middle class as well.) The police arrest guys like this and give them yet another fine they can't afford to pay or they lock them up and the guy loses his job. The police and the DA want to get the message out by word of mouth: we're in charge, step out of line and we'll eventually throw you in prison. That's why 0.7% of all Americans are in prison today. If you add in the people who's lives have been permanently ruined because of past crimes it's more like 20%. These are the people the US government want to hold up as examples. America is a police state.
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The laws in America clearly states that NO One shall shoot another in the back. I feel this i a severe case of a Hate Crime on the officer's part. Even if there was a struggle before the shooting, there is still no justification for shooting anyone in the back. This officer may get off with a slap on the wrist. If so, I see a national revolution that will be much more out of control than in Ferguson Mo. For a person to run from an officer means to retreat, surrender or fear for your life due to unjust treatment by the officer.
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"The laws in America clearly states that NO One shall shoot another in the back."
That's not quite true. There are scenarios where that could be justifiable. However, this is not one of them. Clearly, shooting a helpless person who does not pose a threat in the back is a heinous and depraved crime. Aka murder one.
That's not quite true. There are scenarios where that could be justifiable. However, this is not one of them. Clearly, shooting a helpless person who does not pose a threat in the back is a heinous and depraved crime. Aka murder one.
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For decades in NYC I have witnessed police abusing citizens, always in middle class white neighborhoods where I have lived. I am therefore thoroughly unsurprised to have read in the news lately that they behave even worse - murderously in fact - in minority neighborhoods. This is business as usual I have no doubt. The only unusual fact is that it was recorded. Police are thugs with badges pure and simple. Dangerous and to be avoided at all cost regardless of your color or theirs. Not until police academies raise their standards for admission, make their training more rigorous, and police jobs pay more, will this change. ANYONE who is willing to work a job that puts their life at risk for the measly petty pay police today receive today is a person without options, that is to say, the bottom of the barrel.
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I have lived in this city since 1983 -- virtually my entire adult life -- and my experience echoes yours.
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However, I think the main incentive to those who become police "officers" is that it gives the power to abuse most people without consequences, so they want that to get revenge in their minds over everybody who ever made fun of their incompetence. And I think their bosses know that that unofficial but well known "perk" is how the politicians manage to keep the rolls of the police full with semi criminals and full criminals in uniform.
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I get chills every time I see this video even though I've watched it so many times. Only the ISIS beheading videos display the same crass disregard for human life. What does it take to end an innocent life? Not much, eight bullets sure did it. What is remarkably scary is the officer's relaxed walk towards his fallen victim. No emotion, no precaution, no hesitation. His steps were fluid and natural as if he was strolling in a park. He knew exactly the outcome of his shooting and his confident steps show how pleased he was with himself, he finally accomplished something that he always wanted to do. What makes matters even worse, hard to believe that anything would fall in that category given we've just watched a murder, is Slager's nonchalant planting of the Taser gun next to the victim. Right in front of the black officer arrived at the scene. Even though I am a white middle-aged man I've always been against the death penalty for many of the well known murders of the past 15-20 years. This case is an exception, Slager does deserve the needle.
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Thank you, Andrew. Well said..
Unfortunately, in most jurisdictions it is illegal to film the police. I am surprised the police didn't go after the guy with the cell phone. The way to do it is to use a library computer to put it on You Tube semi-anonymously. Then, you can tell your friends where it is (Hopefully, on the same computer.). I found this out during an encounter with an officer who said I'd go to jail if I filmed them.
Your description of the officer's emotionless behavior and manner is spot on, and it's what gave me chills, too, in watching the (incredibly disturbing) video. In fact, Slager's nonchalance makes me wonder if he has killed or abused before. No panic, no shock--just instant and immediate planning of the coverup.
I hope he is thoroughly investigated beyond this case, to see if there is any other criminal behavior in his past --on or off the job -- that may have been covered up.
I hope he is thoroughly investigated beyond this case, to see if there is any other criminal behavior in his past --on or off the job -- that may have been covered up.
tornadoxyOhio
More than 99.999 percent of encounters with police do NOT end this way! Let's stop the overstatement and wild hyperbole.
So what do you think is the percentage of encounters that African American men face with the police that end non-violently? What do you think is the percentage of encounters that African American men face with the police that is part of racial profiling? What do you think is the percentage of encounters that African American men face with the police that assume they're suspicious? What do you think is the percentage of encounters that African American men face with the police who are educated and productive citizens of society?
Your "hyperbole" theory completely misses the point. It's about perception! A negative perception that the police and society have of African American men. If anything, the percentage of white police officers who have issues with these men is most likely above average with a small percentage of them making poor decisions about how to deal with them.
There's your "hyperbole"! Welcome to my world, son.
More than 99.999 percent of encounters with police do NOT end this way! Let's stop the overstatement and wild hyperbole.
So what do you think is the percentage of encounters that African American men face with the police that end non-violently? What do you think is the percentage of encounters that African American men face with the police that is part of racial profiling? What do you think is the percentage of encounters that African American men face with the police that assume they're suspicious? What do you think is the percentage of encounters that African American men face with the police who are educated and productive citizens of society?
Your "hyperbole" theory completely misses the point. It's about perception! A negative perception that the police and society have of African American men. If anything, the percentage of white police officers who have issues with these men is most likely above average with a small percentage of them making poor decisions about how to deal with them.
There's your "hyperbole"! Welcome to my world, son.
Here's the problem with what you are saying: in the wake of every one of these occurrences -- which may be rare but are far too frequent nonetheless -- the moment people begin to have a dialogue concerning the issue, someone pipes up to remind us all that the vast majority of police officers do not do such things. Nobody is saying they do. But this reflexive need on the part of police officers and their most ardent supporters to become defensive in response to any and every discussion of police abuse or unjustified use of lethal force, even in such an egregious case as this one, has the effect of shutting down a much-needed dialogue before it has begun.
Also, a major aspect the problem is that all too many (purportedly) "good cops" stand by in silence and complacency in the face of misconduct by some of their not-so-good colleagues. That MUST change. And we WILL have this conversation!
Also, a major aspect the problem is that all too many (purportedly) "good cops" stand by in silence and complacency in the face of misconduct by some of their not-so-good colleagues. That MUST change. And we WILL have this conversation!
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I don't know what world you live in but the world that I live in one unjust killing is one too many I don't care if they had 10 million stops if you have one killing that's one too many and its people like you that allow this situation to persist because people get a nonchalant attitude because it doesn't happen to you or yours.so what you want us to tell the Scott family is don't worry about it this only happens once out of every 10,000 stops or so.unbelievable
i wouldn't say these kinds of this are all that rare mark. police have killed 300-400 people so far this year, most of them poor brown, and unarmed. that is 3 a day. everyday. that is not 'rare' by any means.
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I was appalled, saddened and outraged as I watched the video. However, I was angered even more when I read the details of the South Carolina law (upheld by the Supreme Court) which permits the police to use deadly force against a fleeing suspect when there is probable cause that the suspect poses “a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”
My hope is that the attorneys for the policeman can not use that "threat of serious physical injury to others" as an effective defense. They might successfully argue that since the murdered suspect had illogically fought with an armed officer, such out of control actions show that he was acting in a belligerent insane manner demonstrating a mental state likely to cause harm to others.
Such a defense might prevail and the possibility of that outcome is what makes me very angry. If it does succeed, the law needs changing on a federal level. Police should never be allowed to use deadly force on fleeing suspects unless being fired upon themselves or the suspect is armed with a weapon with the potential of killing others.I
My hope is that the attorneys for the policeman can not use that "threat of serious physical injury to others" as an effective defense. They might successfully argue that since the murdered suspect had illogically fought with an armed officer, such out of control actions show that he was acting in a belligerent insane manner demonstrating a mental state likely to cause harm to others.
Such a defense might prevail and the possibility of that outcome is what makes me very angry. If it does succeed, the law needs changing on a federal level. Police should never be allowed to use deadly force on fleeing suspects unless being fired upon themselves or the suspect is armed with a weapon with the potential of killing others.I
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I am particularly struck by the statement in the article that "police departments are not required to release data on how often officers use force." What possible, defensible reason could there be for not requiring police departments to release such data? Even if they withheld the identify of specific officers, it seems to me it is very much in the public interest for the public to be made aware of how often a given police department uses lethal force, how many officers used lethal force in a given period, and how many officers have used lethal force multiple times in the same period. Data such as these are critical to getting at the bottom of the problem, and by permitting police departments to withhold such statistics, we merely enable rogue officers, rogue supervisors and/or rogue departments a tool with which they can obscure misconduct.
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Control the information....control the messaging.
It's time to make demands.
It's time to make demands.
What logic justifies a police officer's right to shoot because of a broken taillight? Or the right to "shoot to kill" if a person runs away? This officer MUST be charged with murder and tried accordingly.
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Hello earth calling, he was charged with murder, arrested and jailed without bond.
In all of the recently publicized police killings of unarmed black men (and child)- this one, Michael Brown in Ferguson, Eric Garner in NY, Tamir Rice in Cleveland - the police exhibit absolutely no effort at de-escalating the situations. This is the reason all these situations ended in death. Police need to be trained to stop confronting people so aggressively and to use de-escalation techniques to help put the people they stop at ease so we do not continue to have jay walking, loosie selling, toy guns, and broken tail lights ending in death. Teachers do it all the time. Its not that hard once you get some practice. For example, talk in a calm voice; stand in a non-aggressive posture; position yourself so that something is between you and the person being stopped; listen to what they have to say; let them know you want to resolve the situation in a way that is fair to them; give them a chance to cool off; tell them what you are going to do before you do it. Obviously this would not work in every situation. But for the love of God, de-escalation should at least be the first option when someone is pulled over for a broken tail light, or when police encounter a child with a toy gun. I'm sure there are many psychologists who would love to assist police learning de-escalation.
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Patrol officers need to go back to wearing dress shoes and ties, and not tactical uniforms. That might sound like too superficial a concern, but it goes the state of mind a police officer adopts through his uniform.
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I would urge all American citizens, whenever they witness a police encounter with a suspect, to pull out their phones and record the encounter (from a safe distance, of course). The overwhelming majority of these encounters will be (at least I hope) benign. But for those that turn out not to be, you may be doing us all an immense service.
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Thank you and I would like to add that people can find helpful information on the ACLU's website regarding a citizen's legal right to record law enforcement officials performing their public duties, so long as they do not impede the involved officers.
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If the encounter is not benign immediately e-mail the video to a trusted location in-case they try to confiscate the phone under the guise that "its evidence".
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We the public should have our cell phone camera at the ready every time we're approached by a police officer. A line has been crossed by those who are supposed to protect us. This video and the police officer's sick, cavalier behavior makes that clear. Yes, as a white woman I do not trust the police any more. The first thought the crosses my mind now is: "the officer could shoot me.''
Sincere condolences to the Scott family.
Sincere condolences to the Scott family.
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The second officer observes Slager planting the taser next to Mr. Wilson. Did he dispute Slager's report? If not, is he not an accessory after the fact?
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I I was wondering the same.
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My 11yr old granddaughter just saw the video of the white cop shooting the black man in cold blood. She started to cry and asked me, what if a cop shoots me or my sister or my brother? It angered me that my precious little grandaughter looked at her arms and asked me why do white people hate us because our skin is a different color. You see, im a white woman and they are of mixed race. Its hard to look in the eyes of your grandchild and try to explain why some people are filled with so much hate, when i dont understand it myself.
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Lennie: You might have pointed out to your granddaughter that the black cop colluded in the coverup and showed as little concern for the dying/dead black man as the white cop who killed Mr. Scott.
As the victim of several violent assaults by black men whom I did not know, I might as well ask why black men hate me for the color of my skin.
Thugs and criminals come in all colors, and some of them wear uniforms conveying upon them authority which they abuse, generally without regard to the color of their victims. In my former home state of NY, white cops routinely ticket nice white ladies and lie about the circumstances of those tickets in court, and smart nice white ladies, in the days before smartphones, carried cameras to thwart them.
As the victim of several violent assaults by black men whom I did not know, I might as well ask why black men hate me for the color of my skin.
Thugs and criminals come in all colors, and some of them wear uniforms conveying upon them authority which they abuse, generally without regard to the color of their victims. In my former home state of NY, white cops routinely ticket nice white ladies and lie about the circumstances of those tickets in court, and smart nice white ladies, in the days before smartphones, carried cameras to thwart them.
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Lennie,
You're not alone in this. Cops go after blacks more often than whites but that's changing. I can remember staring down the barrel of a glock many years ago in California. It's not just you. It's them.
You're not alone in this. Cops go after blacks more often than whites but that's changing. I can remember staring down the barrel of a glock many years ago in California. It's not just you. It's them.
Am I the only one who noticed the officer slapped something out of the "victim's" hand prior to the them running away from the officer?
The person capturing the video then makes an comment of the officer dropping an item by their body. Not law enforcement here, but seems to be that should have been left where it was dropped and he should have checked for vitals. But then again 20/20 hide site is so perfect
The person capturing the video then makes an comment of the officer dropping an item by their body. Not law enforcement here, but seems to be that should have been left where it was dropped and he should have checked for vitals. But then again 20/20 hide site is so perfect
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No you seen the victim slap the taser out of the officers hand while fighting with him.
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Police brutality is not restricted to non-whites. It is a global attitude, although black tend to be more victimized. To change this global attitude is the fundamental problem.
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No one wants to look at the fundamental problem. Go ahead, take a look at the foundation of modern-day human violence.
The level of lethal and judicial violence in the USA is much higher than in any other developed nation.
What I am saying is that, although racism amplifies it, the problem is not just racial. It is about exploiting others, violently, and imposing the existing established order, violently.
And I am saying this has become a habit, and if one questions it, as I do, it has been suggested by lesser souls that I wanted to turn the USA into Libya, or Syria and Iraq, as if only violence, from police or justice, was the only way to hold the USA together.
What I am saying is that, although racism amplifies it, the problem is not just racial. It is about exploiting others, violently, and imposing the existing established order, violently.
And I am saying this has become a habit, and if one questions it, as I do, it has been suggested by lesser souls that I wanted to turn the USA into Libya, or Syria and Iraq, as if only violence, from police or justice, was the only way to hold the USA together.
Yes, but the problem is not just so small as our violence toward other humans. Our violence towards animals is horrendous. People who think this is o.k. and are still eating animal products are part of the problem. Now that's horrific, and people can't watch it, but they have no problem watching this video of poor Walter Scott being shot by a murderer in a police uniform!
This is absolutely terrible! This is a man's life. God created us equal. How dare a man judge and misuse the authority he was given.
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Praise to the person who shot this chilling video. It shows how valuable it is to have a camera with you.
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I rarely if ever make the statement that a news story has made me cry, made me feel sick, etc.
But I can truly say that watching this has made me feel nauseous and brought tears to my eyes. Reasonable people know that most police officers are just out to do their jobs and return home safely. I think we can all see that this is not the case here. We just saw a man be murdered. Will this finally make everyone sit up and realize that we have a big problem in our country? If there were no video, what would all of these comments say? I find the thought disturbing.
Multiple shots with a deadpan demeanor after. For a traffic stop. For someone with his back turned, who was unarmed and was not charging the officer or in his space or posing an imminent threat to the community. I will keep my thoughts on other recent cases to myself but will say that this is so incredibly clear-cut that I simply can't see how anyone will attempt to excuse it.
I am rarely compelled to weigh in but I am really having trouble comprehending that this is in our country.
But I can truly say that watching this has made me feel nauseous and brought tears to my eyes. Reasonable people know that most police officers are just out to do their jobs and return home safely. I think we can all see that this is not the case here. We just saw a man be murdered. Will this finally make everyone sit up and realize that we have a big problem in our country? If there were no video, what would all of these comments say? I find the thought disturbing.
Multiple shots with a deadpan demeanor after. For a traffic stop. For someone with his back turned, who was unarmed and was not charging the officer or in his space or posing an imminent threat to the community. I will keep my thoughts on other recent cases to myself but will say that this is so incredibly clear-cut that I simply can't see how anyone will attempt to excuse it.
I am rarely compelled to weigh in but I am really having trouble comprehending that this is in our country.
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Commenters question if Michael Slager would have been charged had a video not been available. Absolutely valid concerns. Take a moment to recognize Mayor Keith Summey, for whatever reasons, good or bad, RESPONDED quickly and responsibly. Mayor Summey promptly terminated Officer Slager; promptly followed up to ensure the District Attorney immediately filed charges; powerful steps, moving forward to justice for all that to date have not been taken by other officials (Summey is merely one person, trying to take the right steps forward)…..Let us look at what Mayor Summey could have done (yet thank goodness did not) within his authority, that could have really made a big mess of things: He could have suspended or placed the former officer on paid administrative leave, whereby the former officer would continue to receive city benefits and a paycheck for who knows how long. As legal counsel s-t-r-e-t-c-h-e-d this legal process out the former officer receives a compensation package not afforded others. Tragic officers shootings are occurring and community members are feeling increasingly helpless, and saddened which leads to anger.
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I feel that this is such a horrendous event against the late Walter Scott. This police officer had the fortitude to shoot 8 times without hesitation, 8 times! Then had the nerve to say Walter Scott took the taser. There is no evidence proving that the victim took the taser, but there is evidence that the murder was premeditated, because (1) he had an excuse already "I feared for my life" and (2) he dropped something next to Scott's body, which showed that the officer had the mindset to incriminate the victim in order to downplay this annihilation of a life. Also, there was no EMS called or anything in this video. So, based on these facts, as well as the next point that the victim, a 50 year old man was merely jogging and the police officer was fully capable of catching him without a gunshot or a taser. So the point is why aren't police officers being taught how to effectively resolve conflict, and if they are being taught these things, what consequences are set in place for them? I know this incident was a cut and dry murder, but what about the ones that aren't publicized? What about the officers that get a slap on the wrist or temporary desk duty? There is a problem with law enforcement and their abuse of authority. Trust me, I am well aware that this is not the majority of officers in the U.S. However, when all you see is police brutality on television, it effects the perception of one's definition of law enforcement, leading to riots, and habitual shedding of blood.
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It's not only the cold-blooded shooting. The sight of Mr. Scott being on the ground with several bullets in his body being handcuffed on his back and dying alone while surrounded by people, while Officer Slager coldly walks back to likely plant evidence near the dying man, is frightening.
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"Thank God there was a video so there was no ambiguity." With Eric Garner's case, there was a video AND a coroner's report.No ambiguity there too! Yet...
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I completely agree with your sentiment. Considering the Garner case, as well as the Kelly Thomas murder in Fullerton, the Oscar Grant murder in San Fran, along with a slew of other clear cases of blues murdering, I truly do not see this as a slam dunk case fir the prosecution.
Sure, it was obvious murder, but the guy had a badge. He may very well be acquitted.
Sure, it was obvious murder, but the guy had a badge. He may very well be acquitted.
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As is said in California. .the police are just a legalized version KKK when it comes to Black citizens or more contemporary, gang bangers. Take a moment and Google the San Francisco police officer texts which clesrly makes this disgustingly true. (or the Deputy Sheriff's forced jail house "fighting" by selected inmates. or just think Django)
Ditto for Oakland police, BART police and the infamous video taped beating of Rodney King by California's finest - Highway Patrol.
Ditto for Oakland police, BART police and the infamous video taped beating of Rodney King by California's finest - Highway Patrol.
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My brother has been a cop for over 25 years in a medium-sized Georgia metropolitan area not far from Atlanta. When he was a rookie, he stopped a man, who was african-american, for a traffic violation. After initially pulling over, the guy drove away while my brother was running his license through the database. Turns out, he had a warrant out on him for passing bad checks. My brother followed him in a low-speed pursuit--while he refused to stop, the guy wasn't speeding or driving recklessly.
Headed toward the county line, my brother was told by dispatch that when they reached the next county (which was very rural ), the cops from that county would take over jurisdiction and continue the pursuit. When he passed into the other county, he jumped out and joined the two cops who were taking over in their cruiser. They followed the guy a short distance, knowing the state patrol was blocking the road up ahead. Before they reached the roadblock, the guy jumped out of his car and started running across a field. My brother and the other cops pulled up, and he was shocked to see these two cops, --who both looked like the stereotypical "Boss Hog"-type Southern sheriff--pull out their guns and start firing away at the fleeing suspect. He shouted at them to stop, and reiterated that the guy just had a warrant out on a few bad checks. One of the the cops stopped a moment, spit, and said "Don't matter...", and they continued firing. Thank god, they didn't hit the guy.
Headed toward the county line, my brother was told by dispatch that when they reached the next county (which was very rural ), the cops from that county would take over jurisdiction and continue the pursuit. When he passed into the other county, he jumped out and joined the two cops who were taking over in their cruiser. They followed the guy a short distance, knowing the state patrol was blocking the road up ahead. Before they reached the roadblock, the guy jumped out of his car and started running across a field. My brother and the other cops pulled up, and he was shocked to see these two cops, --who both looked like the stereotypical "Boss Hog"-type Southern sheriff--pull out their guns and start firing away at the fleeing suspect. He shouted at them to stop, and reiterated that the guy just had a warrant out on a few bad checks. One of the the cops stopped a moment, spit, and said "Don't matter...", and they continued firing. Thank god, they didn't hit the guy.
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This is sickening and disturbing. My heart goes out to this man's family and friends. The unhurried, calm manner of the officer throughout the ordeal gives the impression that he is experienced in manipulating a crime scene (at the very least) or killing in cold blood (at the worst). The officer knew exactly what he was doing, no question. Evidence like this video is indicative not only of the extreme lack of justice many people of color face in our country, but the systematic brutality of police officers towards innocent people (regardless of color). I read one commentator (a cop) who wrote we should feel lucky to live in a nation where this is the exception, not the rule. But this and other recent videos reveal that such random, brutal killings are occurring throughout the nation and it is only by chance that these videos have come to light. I have travelled in Africa, South America, Europe, and no, I don't feel safer here. I think that comment gets a lot of play in the media by people who have never travelled in the undeveloped world and still see America as superior. I feel less safe knowing that our police officers are trained to shoot and kill anyone who doesn't follow their orders. Lastly, I think the person who took this video showed amazing courage and should be commended.
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More than 99.999 percent of encounters with police do NOT end this way! Let's stop the overstatement and wild hyperbole.
And yet here we are, watching yet another video of a police execution.
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I couldn't agree more with you, greensmith. Police abuse of authority--and police violence--is rampant, and the institution must be reformed from top to bottom.
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For me, the most chilling aspect of this video is how routine this incident played out. Without panic, the officer simply shot the man 8 times, handcuffed him and then planted the evidence. At no point did the officer appear nervous or uncertain about his actions. It was if he knew he was doing the right thing and that no one would question his actions.
Though I commend the police department and local authorities for their timely and appropriate condemnation of this incident, I've yet hear any of them address the true issue at hand. You see, bad cops are old news. Every department has them and no amount of training and vetting will ever weed them out. The real problem here is bad police culture. It's the type of culture that emboldens bad officers like Mr. Slater to commit such grotesque offenses.
Without this video evidence, Mr. Slater would have likely faced no repercussions. In fact, it's entirely possible that his department would commend him for his "bravery" and "putting his life on the line". Until we address this rotten police culture that fosters and promote bad officers like Mr. Slater, these tragic events will continue to occur with regularity.
Though I commend the police department and local authorities for their timely and appropriate condemnation of this incident, I've yet hear any of them address the true issue at hand. You see, bad cops are old news. Every department has them and no amount of training and vetting will ever weed them out. The real problem here is bad police culture. It's the type of culture that emboldens bad officers like Mr. Slater to commit such grotesque offenses.
Without this video evidence, Mr. Slater would have likely faced no repercussions. In fact, it's entirely possible that his department would commend him for his "bravery" and "putting his life on the line". Until we address this rotten police culture that fosters and promote bad officers like Mr. Slater, these tragic events will continue to occur with regularity.
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He was fired and charged with murder. People screaming "No Justice, No Peace" kinda seems redundant. What do they want? An execution the same day? Justice is handling it but I don't know if these people understand that there is a process defined for this. He will be judged by a jury of his peers. If found guilty he may face the death penalty. Calm down people. Finally, police officers are being held accountable for their actions unlike just a few years ago.
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I'm quite sure "these people" understand that there is a process. Quite possibly part of that process is screaming "No Justice, No Peace." It's called raising consciousness.
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I think what "they" want is for this to stop happening.
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Plus 'justice' doesn't always follow - consider most of the recent police killings.
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I suggest, do not put it in context of the other racially, and non-racially motivated recent cases. Look at the facts of this case, by itself. Unarmed man, no danger to the police or the community, flees, and is shot dead. This is without a doubt, murder. What occurred in the minutes before, is now of little consequence. It is still an unarmed man, fleeing. Lawyers of course have to defend their client, and loopholes and/or past record will likely save him from a life sentence. Does not erase what is wrong in what occurred. No first aid was offered by either officer, in the minutes this man lay dying. The officer taints the evidence, but throwing an object, which looks like the Taser, at the feet of the man while he down and immobile. Everything that could have gone wrong, did and was caught on video. The justice system needs to do the right thing. Convict this man based on the clear facts. It does not have to in any way be a warning, or revenge, or taking a stand, or making an example. Just do the right thing based on the final actions taken by this officer, in this case.
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Knowing a shooting had occurred, did dispatch send a squad? If not, why not?
Well, I've just seen murder. Thank you so much to the person who had the presence of mind to capture that on his phone.
There can be no excuse anymore: Body cams on all police officers. I believe most of them are good people, but you can't dispute the fact that this case would have been written up a great deal differently if the phone video hadn't been released.
Instead, we'd have heard that the murdered man was resisting arrest, was a loser with child support warrants outstanding, had attacked his murderer and put him in fear of his life, etc.
He was pulled over for a broken taillight.
There can be no excuse anymore: Body cams on all police officers. I believe most of them are good people, but you can't dispute the fact that this case would have been written up a great deal differently if the phone video hadn't been released.
Instead, we'd have heard that the murdered man was resisting arrest, was a loser with child support warrants outstanding, had attacked his murderer and put him in fear of his life, etc.
He was pulled over for a broken taillight.
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I don't disagree but will only note that the broken taillight was on a Mercedes. Was he pulled over for a broken taillight or for driving while black? Driving while black in an expensive car is an aggravated offense for some police. (And not for all, thank God)
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I assume, driving while black. I can't think of a situation where a white cop would have pulled over a white man and killed him for running away from a traffic ticket on a broken taillight.
Is there even evidence that the white cop knew that the black man in the car with the burnt-out taillight was behind on child support? I haven't heard any. You can't manufacture the evidence afterwards.
Thank you again, to the person who captured this on video and released it. I'd have been scared to do that. You have changed how we police things.
Is there even evidence that the white cop knew that the black man in the car with the burnt-out taillight was behind on child support? I haven't heard any. You can't manufacture the evidence afterwards.
Thank you again, to the person who captured this on video and released it. I'd have been scared to do that. You have changed how we police things.
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As someone who has been through the South Carolina police academy, and has worked a significant amount of time as an officer, I can tell you that the average officer does not have the mental fortitude to make shoot/don't shoot decisions on the fly. For some, the short 9 week (12 now) academy is the most detailed training they will get on how to effectively make these decisions for their entire career. There needs to be standardized, continuous training that builds and reinforces these skills multiple times a year. I'm not sure what was going through this cop's mind. What a stupid, stupid decision.
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@ John: "There needs to be standardized, continuous training that builds and reinforces these skills multiple times a year."
"In Service Training" [Chapter 6] is one of the main recommendations the Community Oriented Policing Services [of the Department of Justice] made in their Collaborative Reform Initiative assessment of the Philadelphia Police Department
Link: http://ric-zai-inc.com/Publications/cops-w0753-pub.pdf
"In Service Training" [Chapter 6] is one of the main recommendations the Community Oriented Policing Services [of the Department of Justice] made in their Collaborative Reform Initiative assessment of the Philadelphia Police Department
Link: http://ric-zai-inc.com/Publications/cops-w0753-pub.pdf
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This is not a question of training, it is question of a culture within police forces across the country that condones this type of thing and results in what is essentially a publicly funded mafia. You can't train this type of behavior out of a criminal, not in nine weeks or nine hundred.
Any cop who carries a gun should have a body cam. Let's make it a federal law!
If you have the power to kill someone in the line of duty, we should all be able to take a close look at the choice you made. Period.
If you have the power to kill someone in the line of duty, we should all be able to take a close look at the choice you made. Period.
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Those body cams are a joke. They don't automatically record the officer's shift, beginning to end. The officer has to turn it ON, and the officer is taught how to delete the evidence if he films himself murdering an innocent person.
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The action by that SC police officer is another reason I believe capital punishment should remain legal. Justice in this case will involve a SC fried chicken pig
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I understand your anger, but we've got to be better than that--otherwise we're all just part of a cycle of hatred and revenge. The contemporary Middle East shows us why we must avoid it, right?
It could be worse. We could be giving the police military equipment, too.
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But we are and have been giving the police departments all over the country military equipment for years.
I also heartily agree the person who shot the video is a real hero, but his identity should remain unknown, if possible, for obvious reasons.
I also heartily agree the person who shot the video is a real hero, but his identity should remain unknown, if possible, for obvious reasons.
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We do arm police with military equipment. http://talkingpointsmemo.com/dc/ferguson-missouri-militarized-police-103...
They already have it.
I salute the fearlessness of the bystander who trained his camera on this unfolding tragedy and continued to shoot. Without that footage this case would have never come to light.
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If I were the camera person I would have been afraid of being shot too. Seems like officer didn't see him.
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I completely agree. This is some of the bravest footage ever shot, in some ways rivaling the work of a war correspondent. The individual just witnessed an outright murder of an unarmed man by a law enforcement officer; what was to stop the cop from harming or killing him, too? … This took great courage, hopefully will result in true justice, and the videographer has my respect and thanks.
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I think the cameraman was a white woman. Otherwise, Officer Slager would have shot her in cold blood.
I am one of many who have watched the news this past year and felt complete outrage. It has deeply troubled me. I grew up in Miami and was one of the first classes of white kids bussed into Liberty City for desegregation. I remember feeling not just completely out of place but that the kids hated me. I was beat up frequently just for being white in all black school. The feeling has never left me. I have been so disturbed since reading this article. I couldn't even watch the video. I know there are honest police officers serving for pennies on the dollar every day with their life who are completely distraught by this situation but this is cannot happen again. I don't know how to solve it but I can promise you I will do what I can to make a difference in my community. I will talk about it with my friends. I will ask my church to facilitate a discussion on race and respect for law enforcement. I will integrate this into my coaching business to initiate discussions. I will pray and ask God what I can do to make this man's life count for something. I will cry for his family like I am doing now. My black brothers and sisters, we grieve with you. We want you to know we care about the pain you feel and we are believing God together we can make a difference. We want you to feel safe in your nation. We are all one family.
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The justice system is turning into a violent suppression tool that racists will resort to when they can't win over a dispute with the minorities. They either execute you right in street or indict you for a ham sandwich to make you a walking dead. The justice men actually created my alleged crime and the convicted me for mentally threatening a White professor in mind. I, as a graduate student at U of Toronto, exercised my free speech to disagree with a White professor David Waterhouse’ theory – beauty is a European concept, and complained against his retaliation. The Ontario human rights commission officer Alan Strojin, a White professor of UC Berkeley, James Cahill, etc. and the whole justice system conspired to criminalize me by coercing me into testify to the Commission and then charging me for my testimony. Judge Knazan convicted me on his admitted “guessing” that I “meant” to threaten Waterhouse in my mind. Now I’m like a walking dead, expelled from employment, from the society, even from volunteer work, because of my “criminal record”. Meanwhile, the US federal court cleared all criminal and civil liabilities of the White perpetrators who committed felony crimes against me.
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Two important points: First, this was an execution. Slager is a murderer. This cannot be said strongly enough.
Still, Walter Scott, and indeed most persons shot under controversial circumstances by police, could have prevented their own deaths. This in no way lessens the culpability of police, or the revulsion we feel when officers commit murder. I read Gawker's list of unarmed people of color killed by officers in the last 15 years. In nearly every case, the victim could have prevented their own demise by not committing a crime in the first place, and/or complying with an officer's orders, even if those orders are unlawful. This is an important point: even if the orders are unlawful, EVEN IF CRIMINAL, one must understand that not complying with an officer's orders simply will not have a positive outcome.
Think of another such situation. If someone orders me to hand over my wallet under threat of force, they have given me an unlawful order. If I disobey, argue, or physically resist, then, yes, I'm asserting my rights, though in so doing, I may well be injured or killed. That in no way lessens the robber's legal or ethical culpability. Still, in that hypothetical, altering my behavior would likely have prevented harm.
Still, Walter Scott, and indeed most persons shot under controversial circumstances by police, could have prevented their own deaths. This in no way lessens the culpability of police, or the revulsion we feel when officers commit murder. I read Gawker's list of unarmed people of color killed by officers in the last 15 years. In nearly every case, the victim could have prevented their own demise by not committing a crime in the first place, and/or complying with an officer's orders, even if those orders are unlawful. This is an important point: even if the orders are unlawful, EVEN IF CRIMINAL, one must understand that not complying with an officer's orders simply will not have a positive outcome.
Think of another such situation. If someone orders me to hand over my wallet under threat of force, they have given me an unlawful order. If I disobey, argue, or physically resist, then, yes, I'm asserting my rights, though in so doing, I may well be injured or killed. That in no way lessens the robber's legal or ethical culpability. Still, in that hypothetical, altering my behavior would likely have prevented harm.
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Sorry, EJ, the "he was asking for it" logic doesn't add up. Additionally, we have no idea what occurred moments before Mr. Scott chose to flee -- or was MADE to flee...indeed perhaps because he truly feared for his life.
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There is a report Mr. Scott may have had outstanding warrants, but was it worth his life? Always do what the cop tells you to do until things can be sorted out. All this over a brake light. God.
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And in most cases the police had the power not to kill. Committing a crime does not give a policeman the chance to be judge and jury
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Today the jury found Tsarnaev guilty of all 30 counts, and the trial will now progress to the sentencing phase where the jury will consider: 'Does the Boston Marathon bomber deserve to live? Or should he be put to death for his crimes?' I am sickened by the juxtaposition of the time and energy invested in the judicial process for a man who maimed, murdered, and terrorized, versus the utter lack of time and energy--not to mention justice, logic, or compassion--invested in determining the fate of Mr. Scott, a man who simply had a broken tail light.
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In the case of the bomber it was the Constitution at work. On the case of the driver it didn't work at all
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alleged broken tail light
What happened to shooting to disable? Is it now police practice every time they draw their guns to empty the whole magazine into a suspect? The kid in Cleveland with the toy gun was the same scenario, as was the guy in Washington State who threw a rock and was shot 17 times.
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That's exactly how they're trained. And I don't think there is anything wrong with it. You shoot until the threat is no longer present. If the threat is present for as long as the perpetrator is moving (if he is armed, for example) then you shoot until the perp stops moving. The problem is that such force must be applied appropriately. Neither this case, nor the ones you've presented, qualify as justified applications of deadly force.
If you can afford to shoot someone "in the leg" then you shouldn't be shooting them. It's stupid, risky, and unnecessary. Putting a bullet in someone's limb because you don't feel like running is barbaric.
If you can afford to shoot someone "in the leg" then you shouldn't be shooting them. It's stupid, risky, and unnecessary. Putting a bullet in someone's limb because you don't feel like running is barbaric.
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Since when these Pseuhumans have the right to decide whether a person live or die? what kind of training they receive that as soon as their ego is threaten they kill people without mercy. I better shut my thoughts because by the way there is no freedom of speech. My suggestion would be that every single human carry a device to record videos, we never know when we can come across with a situation like that. Thanks for the existence of that video otherwise that guy would be on the streets killing more innocent people.
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By some estimates we are 55 times more likely to be killed by a cop than by a terrorist.
A father loses his life because he has a tail light out. Why does a cop need a tazer OR a gun to deal with that problem?
This insanity never stops & it seems unfixable. Let's dump the ENTIRE system & start with a new set of rules. Rule 1. There's no more debt. ALL debt is cancelled including mortgages. Rule 2. All non-violent crime & criminals sentences are cancelled. Rule 3. The government must return land for use by the people for FREE. We are all born to the land and we all need it to live - so it is a natural right to a free share of the land, homes etc. each needs to live. Rule 4. NO government may be created that usurps the rights of the People to share the natural resources, to live on their own terms, to end a government that does not protect and help them. Rule 5. Existing laws are cancelled including the Constitution & new laws and Constitution are made BY THE PEOPLE to serve their needs today. Rule 6. Everybody has a right to propose laws & to vote on them via a web based voting system protected against fraud.
The system we have is punitive on most of us & is designed to make the most ruthless of us rich. The reason for all this violence in our culture is because the rich steal our resources and lives and make us desperate. If we want peace and plenty we have to stop supporting this predatory system and start helping each other to live as free, safe, people with honor.
A father loses his life because he has a tail light out. Why does a cop need a tazer OR a gun to deal with that problem?
This insanity never stops & it seems unfixable. Let's dump the ENTIRE system & start with a new set of rules. Rule 1. There's no more debt. ALL debt is cancelled including mortgages. Rule 2. All non-violent crime & criminals sentences are cancelled. Rule 3. The government must return land for use by the people for FREE. We are all born to the land and we all need it to live - so it is a natural right to a free share of the land, homes etc. each needs to live. Rule 4. NO government may be created that usurps the rights of the People to share the natural resources, to live on their own terms, to end a government that does not protect and help them. Rule 5. Existing laws are cancelled including the Constitution & new laws and Constitution are made BY THE PEOPLE to serve their needs today. Rule 6. Everybody has a right to propose laws & to vote on them via a web based voting system protected against fraud.
The system we have is punitive on most of us & is designed to make the most ruthless of us rich. The reason for all this violence in our culture is because the rich steal our resources and lives and make us desperate. If we want peace and plenty we have to stop supporting this predatory system and start helping each other to live as free, safe, people with honor.
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Shooting someone who is running away from you is by no means justifiable. But all rhetoric aside, I find it strange that all the news sources cite the same information, yet there is no analysis of what could have triggered Scott to run away from the cop. Scott was working, had no previous altercations with law enforcement, was engaged to be married. All the good stuff. Ok, he was behind on child support, but it is impossible to believe Scott thought the officer stopped him for that, or am I missing something? So why was he running from the cop??? No article discusses this aspect of the story, which I think is myopic.
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Hmmm "He must be guilty of something then!", I knew we could come up with something really valid: "Driving as a Black!"
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Did you bother to watch the video? You must not have read this:
http://www.wyff4.com/news/sled-police-officer-charged-with-murder/32239980
http://www.wyff4.com/news/sled-police-officer-charged-with-murder/32239980
He was running from the cop because he is Black, and the cop is White, and this is SOUTH CAROLINA where White cops shoot Black men for the sport of it.
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I'm going to make the assumption that most cops are as disgusted by this as I am. But I hope that they can understand why, as black people (or brown people), we don't want to risk running into the cops that feel otherwise.
Cold blooded killing is not the only bad outcome--abuse of authority, fabrication of evidence, wrongful convictions, etc., can also ruin a life.
The good news is that, ten years ago, this story would be over. Now the police (and anyone interested in committing a crime) have to worry about being caught on camera. This should lead (in the long run) to an improvement in behavior--but only if they're held accountable. We've seen how prosecutors coddle police as defendants.
We should continue to advocate police cameras. And we should follow the example of this brave citizen and film every police encounter we see. It costs nothing; we all have cameras in our pockets.
Cold blooded killing is not the only bad outcome--abuse of authority, fabrication of evidence, wrongful convictions, etc., can also ruin a life.
The good news is that, ten years ago, this story would be over. Now the police (and anyone interested in committing a crime) have to worry about being caught on camera. This should lead (in the long run) to an improvement in behavior--but only if they're held accountable. We've seen how prosecutors coddle police as defendants.
We should continue to advocate police cameras. And we should follow the example of this brave citizen and film every police encounter we see. It costs nothing; we all have cameras in our pockets.
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It seems very likely that police technicians will feel obliged to explain to every police officer how to game their camera. Also over time, probably not much time, all police officers will learn the most advantageous ways to stand or move. Cameras that are not accessible to police are the only cameras that by far the most useful for monitoring police.
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Everything is wrong with this horrific story. Not only did a man lose his life, the government is getting away with criminalizing people for owing child support debt. There are already too many punishments enforced on people in the name of child support, most of whom simply cannot afford the amount of arrears owed. To know that this man had no criminal background except for a charge that is over two decades old and delinquent child support charges should both disgust and shock people into wanting significant reform to the current child support system in America. No American citizen should be hunted, arrested, and now murdered because of owing any debt to any agency, company, or person. My condolences to Mr. Scott's family. Join the fight for child support reform! thechildsupporthustle.com
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Let's remember your thoughts when we go to visit the prisoners in the penal system and ask how many were out committing crimes because their custodial parent was not able to supervise them because the non-custodial or joint custodial parent was not paying needed child support in order for THE CHILD TO RECEIVE SUPPORT to live. The issue of child support, only worsens the circumstances, and we all know this tragedy should not have occurred, however, minimizing the importance and value of child support and the affects on the innocent child hopefully will not make this circumstance any less important.
As a police officer I agree that this is an unjustified shooting and the officer should be charged. I will always back a good fellow officer up but when you're a bad officer and were wrong, that's all on you. He had no right to shoot him. His warrant was for child support. Even if it was for murder he still wasn't justified. If the man had a gun in his hand then it's a different story. Not all cops are bad. It's just that the bad ones get the most attention and ruin the reputation for the good ones. This shouldn't be a white black issue. It should be a bad cop issue. Doesnt matter if the cop was white or black or the victim was white, black, purple or pink. It's wrong either way. I hate that the media makes everything a racial issue.
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Could it be that a defining feature of the American bad cop is racism?
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I agree. This is not a racial issue, or it should not be one. Perhaps the issue is that by and large, police officers don't get adequate training before they hit the streets? Or that many accepted into the law enforcement are unfit to be there??
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Is it ever just possible that something IS a racial issue?
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I will post again to say not every cop is a bad cop, only liberals who like to stir trouble like to show the few and far between "bad cops" to the public. Statistics show OVER 99% of police officer do their job correctly during their entire career. Cops are doing their job and following the laws the way they are told to do so. They don't make these slap on the wrist laws, but they abide by them. They can not arrest and bring somebody to jail for no reason. One bad day in America will be when all of these low lifes cause the police force as a whole go on strike to show America how much they are needed. We have to have police officers to keep our society civilized. Look at the Ferguson riot that broke out when the police were told to stand there and not interfere, those people acted like animals and tore that place to pieces. If you don't like the way they police then you should try living in another county for awhile. Another thing, police officer can not help what the race is of the people they encounter. But lets just think for a second had this man that was shot been white, would it be getting this much attention? Color is ripping this country apart!! Grow up people.
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Let's go with your reasoning.. so, there is approximately 780,000 police officers in these United States of ours... 99% of them being good cops (772,200), that leaves us with one per cent (7,800) killers or potential killers in uniform in our streets... Still pretty scary!!
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BeachSide, everything you wrote is off somethings more off than others.
History is where the Race divide comes from and refusal to acknowledge
it only perpetuates it all the more. If this isn't a race issue,why is it all these unarmed individuals being killed for jay walking,loose cigarettes,a broken tail light or simply because someone says they were in fear for their life are Black
and the killer always a cop and white?
History is where the Race divide comes from and refusal to acknowledge
it only perpetuates it all the more. If this isn't a race issue,why is it all these unarmed individuals being killed for jay walking,loose cigarettes,a broken tail light or simply because someone says they were in fear for their life are Black
and the killer always a cop and white?
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It always amazes me when you murder defenders say that Liberals are "stirring up trouble" by protesting injustices. What do you think we should do? Sweep it under the rug so that you bigots can feel good about yourselves?
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if they had waited a few more days to release this video it would have been even worse because then we would have seen the extent of the conspiracy that the cops/prosecutors will go to in order to cover up the police misconduct-murder. they would have likely made up a story about how the victim was armed with a stun gun and the officer was justified.
with this video obviously they will lock up the murderer-cop but they'll try and make it like this is an isolated incident; not a system of routine police brutality/murders that just get covered up or lightly prosecuted.
with this video obviously they will lock up the murderer-cop but they'll try and make it like this is an isolated incident; not a system of routine police brutality/murders that just get covered up or lightly prosecuted.
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I used to live in N. Charleston,SC...and 95% of those cops are racist....especially against people in biracial relationships. They need to get all of them out of that force....
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Simply another data point explaining why the Supreme Court is a failing institution as politicians and police continue to minimize black folks ability to thrive in the US. Gerrymandering districts so minority voters voices are minimized is OK as far the Court can tell. Discrimination a problem, not as far as they can see. No evidence of it apparently sufficient to convince a Republican appointed judge (not that it matters, right?). No our society is more and more reactionary not more and more inclusive. One can only wonder when the next iteration of the Black Panther Party will arise. What do they have to lose that they are not already losing?
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The Ferguson shooting was justified. I don't think this one was. The cop should have thought "does this man deserve to die over a broken tail light?". Then he would have let him go and apprehend him later. Only a coward shoots somebody in the back.
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Pretty open-and-shut, complete with Slager seemingly tampering with the crime scene to try to make it like Scott had the tazer with him (if that's indeed what he picked up and placed near Scott).
Thank God there was a video, and also that Slager somehow didn't see the guy videotaping him from only a few feet away (not a terribly observant fellow, it would seem). Otherwise I'm certain he would have gotten away with this.
Thank God there was a video, and also that Slager somehow didn't see the guy videotaping him from only a few feet away (not a terribly observant fellow, it would seem). Otherwise I'm certain he would have gotten away with this.
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"A statement released by North Charleston police spokesman Spencer Pryor said a man ran on foot from the traffic stop and an officer deployed his department-issued Taser in an attempt to stop him. That did not work, police said, and an altercation ensued as the men struggled over the device. Police allege that during the struggle the man gained control of the Taser and attempted to use it against the officer. The officer then resorted to his service weapon and shot him, police alleged."
No doubt in my mind Walter Scott would've been remembered as another thug shot by the police if a random bystander hadn't been there to videotape the encounter and let us see the REAL story.
No doubt in my mind Walter Scott would've been remembered as another thug shot by the police if a random bystander hadn't been there to videotape the encounter and let us see the REAL story.
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Wow! Cops are out of control in that country!! I wouldn't be surprised if the cop gets off. Seems to be the norm there, Feared for his life?? While the guy was running away??? Is it a prerequisite that you must be racist to be a cop in the U.S.? Happens too often down there. Sure glad I don't live in that gun happy country!!
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we're glad you don't live here, too.
The problem here is an unstable person making an unsound decision. I do not think that this cop will "get off."
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Plus people get bankrupted because they don't pay their medical bills and become virtual indentured servants paying off college loans.
Your country is far superior to ours but perhaps you should be quiet about it, for when US people realize the reality , you'll have to build a wall to keep us out.
Your country is far superior to ours but perhaps you should be quiet about it, for when US people realize the reality , you'll have to build a wall to keep us out.
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My heartfelt thanks to the person that took this video. AMEN. Why do you handcuff someone after you shoot them 8 times, seriously?
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On March 3, 1991, a Black man Rodney King was tasered, kicked in the head, beaten with PR-24 batons for over one minute, then tackled and cuffed. A subsequent test for the presence of PCP turned up negative. The incident was captured on a camcorder by resident George Holliday from his apartment in the vicinity.The video showed that he was crawling on the ground during the beating and that the police made no attempt to cuff him. On April 29, 1992, the seventh day of jury deliberations, the jury acquitted all four officers of assault. The LA riots, beginning the day of the verdicts, peaked in intensity over the next two days. Fifty-three people died during the riots, including ten who were shot dead by police and military forces, with as many as 2,000 people injured.
On August 9, 2014, in Ferguson, MO, an 18 year old unarmed Black male Michael Brown was shot and killed by a White police officer.
On April 7, 2015, a Black man Walter L. Scott was shot and killed in North Charleston, N.C. by a White police officer who said Scott took his stun gun and he feared for his life. However, a video showed the office firing 8 shots at unarmed Scott and killing him.
So what is the difference between the beating of Rodney King and the killing of Michael Brown and Walter Scott? Rodney's attackers and Walter Scott’s shooter were caught on camera.
On August 9, 2014, in Ferguson, MO, an 18 year old unarmed Black male Michael Brown was shot and killed by a White police officer.
On April 7, 2015, a Black man Walter L. Scott was shot and killed in North Charleston, N.C. by a White police officer who said Scott took his stun gun and he feared for his life. However, a video showed the office firing 8 shots at unarmed Scott and killing him.
So what is the difference between the beating of Rodney King and the killing of Michael Brown and Walter Scott? Rodney's attackers and Walter Scott’s shooter were caught on camera.
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Well, we won't have to sit at no lunch counter with that guy. And by the way i don't like the guy for the way he was dressed and the way he ran. Slovenly. The police officer saw his God=given authority and he done his duty! Whoopee!
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We are witnessing one of the unintended consequences of the widespread proliferation of smart phones, recording devices / cameras and ability to disseminate this over social media: the ability of citizens to record and document the widespread proliferation of police misconduct.
This stuff has been going on for decades and the typical response of the local DA, Internal Affairs, etc. is to discount it, spin it, lie about it, cover it up, drag their feet and go through a superficial and meaningless so called "investigation". Those days appear to be winding down now, when the investigators, faced with crisp images of the reality that occurred, can no longer lift the rug and get out the broom.
Long overdue.
This stuff has been going on for decades and the typical response of the local DA, Internal Affairs, etc. is to discount it, spin it, lie about it, cover it up, drag their feet and go through a superficial and meaningless so called "investigation". Those days appear to be winding down now, when the investigators, faced with crisp images of the reality that occurred, can no longer lift the rug and get out the broom.
Long overdue.
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There is no doubt that most police will lie to protect their own. The widespread proliferation of cell phone video will help change this culture by continuing to expose it.
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My parents taught me to question everything.....and I do. This had earned me questioning, criticism & suspicion, but I wouldn't change a thing. I never suspected I would ever feel relief that they aren't around to see this video or what's happening in this country....yet I do.
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Maybe this time justice will be served. For years I've heard comments from African-American friends, and African-American comedians, that indicated dangerous and deadly treatment by police officers. I didn't want to believe it, but there were too many reports of racist behavior by the police. Then Ferguson happened. I felt like I was living back in the sixties. What happend to Civil Rights?
Then there were more instances of unarmed black men (and boys) being shot to death by police. What ever happend to "subdue the suspect"? Why were the police killing black men over traffic tickets?! And why weren't white police officers being held accountable? It's a tragedy there had to be so many murders by police officers before the first indictment? It's been a longtime coming but indicting Officer Slager is a step in the right direction.
Then there were more instances of unarmed black men (and boys) being shot to death by police. What ever happend to "subdue the suspect"? Why were the police killing black men over traffic tickets?! And why weren't white police officers being held accountable? It's a tragedy there had to be so many murders by police officers before the first indictment? It's been a longtime coming but indicting Officer Slager is a step in the right direction.
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Unless there is a video that proves otherwise, a cop saying that he feels threatened and that his life is in danger is his stay-out-of-jail-free card to play whenever he decides to shoot someone. Wouldn't you just love to know how many times a cop shot someone unnecessarily and then planted evidence on the victim to collaborate his phony story? I'll bet it would be mindboggling, Even the other cops who were involved at the end of this horrible murder were willing to be part of the cover-up, and they also made no attempt to give medical aid to the victim. Yes, I know there are good cops out there, but right now this really bad cop has greatly reduced people's respect and trust in all cops and law enforcement.
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Every politician in any state at any level who has ever campaigned to "get tough on crime" needs to step up to the microphone right now and condemn this criminal cop in no uncertain terms. Then they need to campaign for justice.
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As I watched this video it have sadden me to know that as citizen i'm no longer safe in the streets as a black man. I had a talk with my son several months ago that my dad told me his father had with him. If a white cop approach you instantly drop and put your hands high in the sky as possible. that was over 60 years ago and we still have to do that tothis day. they can no longer hang and lynch us so now they are duringthrough the law, it's only the white cops that are trigger happy and they had behind their badge. Another incident that happen in columbis SC. hum? the officer ask for his id and the guy went back to his vehicle to retreive what the officer ask for and he shot him. why are white cops afrraid ofthe black male race?
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Maybe also advise him, if a white cop approaches you, shout, "Anyone with a phone, please start filming!"
Why are Police so out of control and why is the public calling them for every little thing that happens to them? In large part because of Police drama TV shows and movies. For all it's worth, I haven't watched them for decades and am now more objective and no longer blindly loving cops as I once did. I grew up.
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Shot him down like a dog. What kind of man would do that? And how many more are there like him in Police forces around the country? How many have gotten off because there was no video? Psychopaths like Slager make it harder for decent police officers to do their incredibly difficult job.
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One thing needs to be clear to Americans: this incident is a) making headlines around the world, and b) helping fuel a serious image problem of how we are seen in the eyes of the world. Once again, despite our chest thumping of being a "great nation" and a "bastion of democracy", it's has become clear that we treat our own citizens with just as little respect as the way treat our foes. And because of this, we lose our credibility. Perhaps we need to take a good look at ourselves and understand that, in order to earn the respect of the international community, we need to start at home and take heart the phrase "violence begets violence."
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What sort of monsters are our police departments hiring?? Why wasn't this neanderthal kept out of the police academy? Doesn't anyone training and testing applicants SCREEN THEM? Clearly police departments are hiring psychopaths to "protect and serve." We need no more evidence that they all need to be dismantled, reconfigured, and restaffed. Let's begin the process by requiring that every officer hired has a college degree in liberal arts. That will ensure that they have demonstrated the ability to think critically. Then and only then should they be allowed into a police academy where their training MUST include philosophy, behavioral psychology, sociology, and history. After a year of that, maybe let them shoot a weapon.
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Time to call on Pogo: "We have met the enemy and he is us." We appear to have a national obsession with security that has devolved into militarized policing, cowboyesque SWAT units, pointless security as at airports (think of that slacker pawing through your underwear, and a shoot-first mentality among not just cops but an armed-to-the-teeth citizenry as well. It is an illusion, that sense of security. If we are serious about stemming terrorism, we cannot give up freedom so easily.
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American Alpha-Male psychology is reaching a pathological level. Certainly in our policing. Who is going to protect us from our police? I guess that we are the only ones who can. But will we?
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This incident shows yet again that police in this country no longer "protect and serve" citizens. Rather, they are waging a war on their communities, in which every citizen is the enemy. The arrest of Walter Scott for a broken tail light also suggests that, as in Ferguson, police were also engaged in meeting revenue quotas.
The war includes a perverse incentive for police to kill, even when the offense is as trifling as a broken tail light. An officer who forbears the use of force risks the loss of life or limb. But an officer who shoots the moment he feels the slightest bit threatened-- or who murders an unarmed citizen in cold blood-- risks only a paid vacation, until his Brethren in Blue have fabricated and released an official narrative to justify the killing. If the incident goes beyond that, the officer can be sure the prosecutor will do everything possible to avoid criminal liability. After all, prosecutors are fighting the same war, and their loyalty is to the police officers who provide the endless stream of defendants to convict and incarcerate.
In this extremely unusual case, a bystander with a camera happened to make the normal disposition of police shootings impossible. Body cameras are a band-aid solution to the problem, though they're always subject to "accidental" loss or interference with the video. But the real solution is for elected officials to demand that police "protect and serve" their communities rather than wage war and generate revenue.
The war includes a perverse incentive for police to kill, even when the offense is as trifling as a broken tail light. An officer who forbears the use of force risks the loss of life or limb. But an officer who shoots the moment he feels the slightest bit threatened-- or who murders an unarmed citizen in cold blood-- risks only a paid vacation, until his Brethren in Blue have fabricated and released an official narrative to justify the killing. If the incident goes beyond that, the officer can be sure the prosecutor will do everything possible to avoid criminal liability. After all, prosecutors are fighting the same war, and their loyalty is to the police officers who provide the endless stream of defendants to convict and incarcerate.
In this extremely unusual case, a bystander with a camera happened to make the normal disposition of police shootings impossible. Body cameras are a band-aid solution to the problem, though they're always subject to "accidental" loss or interference with the video. But the real solution is for elected officials to demand that police "protect and serve" their communities rather than wage war and generate revenue.
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Are police officers tested for steroids? Are they tested for impulse control and anger management? Are they trained only to quicken their reflex responses, or are they equally trained to suppress their impulsive responses?
Are they taught that a threat to their ego or their image is not the same as a threat to their physical safety? Aren't officers who threaten the public with unnecessary force and killing also likely to be threatening other police officers to stay quiet or come to harm?
Are they taught that a threat to their ego or their image is not the same as a threat to their physical safety? Aren't officers who threaten the public with unnecessary force and killing also likely to be threatening other police officers to stay quiet or come to harm?
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My heart and prayers go out to Mr. Walter Scott and his family. May Jesus take you into his loving heart and console your family during this grievous time. My prayers also go out to the officer who shot Walter in the back 3 times, may God help you however He sees fit.
What was also shocking in the video is that it clearly shows police officer Slager throwing the trazer gun next to Walter's body, which clearly incriminates Office Slager for planting evidence. No matter what happens to Michael Slager I hope he is prevented from ever owning a gun in the future.
What was also shocking in the video is that it clearly shows police officer Slager throwing the trazer gun next to Walter's body, which clearly incriminates Office Slager for planting evidence. No matter what happens to Michael Slager I hope he is prevented from ever owning a gun in the future.
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"The officer, Michael T. Slager, 33, said he had feared for his life because the man had taken his stun gun in a scuffle after a traffic stop on Saturday. "
You know who was afraid for his life? The man who was shot to death. You know who is afraid for their lives? Black people. And rightly so.
You know who was afraid for his life? The man who was shot to death. You know who is afraid for their lives? Black people. And rightly so.
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If the police continue in this way they will have good reason to fear, for the inner city community is well armed.
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Police should not be permitted to stop drivers for tail lights or minor vehicle defects that don't pose an imminent danger to others. If they see such an issue, they can note the number plate and Mail a ticket to the owner. Such a policy will reduce the opportunity for/ complaints of racial profiling and also reduce chances for inexcusable escalation.
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You should understand that such minor offenses are the excuse to look for larger infractions like DUI or drug possession. Today's cops are full blown predators that are endangering the public and instilling fear in most.
Do you wave hello when you are driving near a cop?
Do you wave hello when you are driving near a cop?
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The broken tail light is the most common convenient excuse to conduct a search of a person or a vehicle. And to not appear to be profiling.
That cop was out hunting and he found his target. What he did not count on was the video.
That cop was out hunting and he found his target. What he did not count on was the video.
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The real reason of course is not the tail light. They looking for something else, usually. Tail lights are anexcuse.
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I am sick hearted at seeing this. I was sick hearted after the "I can't breathe" murder, and now this. Police seem to have declared open season on black men in our country and it must stop. I am old enough to remember when cops were good guys, not armed thugs. I am so sorry for this man's family, but I pray his death will not be in vain and that some sort of anti-deadly force legislation will come about as a result. I feel like we all need to be carrying cameras so the truth will be known. Kudos to the guy who filmed this; he was very brave.
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Unfortunately, there's really no way to 100% weed out these types of killers who have been entrusted with our care & safety, whether they be in our police force, or flying a commercial airplane. What is it finally going to take before someone heeds our call and at the very least provides a disincentive by placing a simple dash-cam in all patrol cars, on police and in cockpits? Can it really get any worse?
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“I have watched the video and I was sickened by what I saw,” Eddie Driggers, the North Charleston police chief, told reporters, at an emotional and often chaotic news conference…
Uh Huh. Now try and make me really believe that. Or maybe he was sickened that the officer got caught. Or he is sickened by the notion that citizens are routinely capturing outrageous and illegal police tactics and murders on video plain for all to see in the scorching light. He's probably most sickened that the good old days are vanishing before his eyes.
Uh Huh. Now try and make me really believe that. Or maybe he was sickened that the officer got caught. Or he is sickened by the notion that citizens are routinely capturing outrageous and illegal police tactics and murders on video plain for all to see in the scorching light. He's probably most sickened that the good old days are vanishing before his eyes.
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In South Carolina, it’s rare that an officer who fires in the line of duty would be charged at all, much less convicted. A murder charge is unprecedented in at least the past five years, according to a study performed by an in-state newspaper.
Luckily, there was video.
Luckily, there was video.
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Smartphone Owners of America:
It is within your power to put the "justice" into the judicial system in America.
Get involved, get engaged, make your expensive device pay for itself for many thousands of times.
Get rolling and stop the police state. And thank you to the the Young Fellow who took risk and showed the greatest courage CIVIL COURAGE.
It is within your power to put the "justice" into the judicial system in America.
Get involved, get engaged, make your expensive device pay for itself for many thousands of times.
Get rolling and stop the police state. And thank you to the the Young Fellow who took risk and showed the greatest courage CIVIL COURAGE.
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This ubiquitous "officer safety" above all axiom has destroyed civil service. This precedence has abridged "peace officer" in to militarized police. a law enforcement officer on the street has more power then any judge. twisting probable cause, with no supervision and only internal regulation to observe themselves. its sounds like bad science fiction. buts its real. Police throw obstruction of justice, resisting arrest and assault on a police officer in just about any instance they are challenged. the power is so skewed that anything other then complete oppression and compliance is required in any encounter with an officer. they have less rules of engagement, then a marine in a hostile AOF. an officer only needs to feel afraid for his safety. We have a lot of officers: who scare very easy, maybe the need t ofind another line of work that's not so scary.
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New York Times December 8, 2007
A Switch Is Flipped, and Justice Listens In - JIM DWYER (edited)
Christmas 2005 Erik Crespo, 17, got on an elevator …. shot a man in the face. Surveillance cameras ... captured much of it on tape, and Mr. Crespo was squarely implicated.
What followed, though, was an object lesson in just how ungovernable history has become now that digital technology has made it possible for almost any human exchange to be easily, and cheaply, recorded.
Six days later, Detective Christopher Perino, from the 44th Precinct, caught up with Mr. Crespo and took him into an interrogation room.
“And our conversation right now does not exist, you following me?” Detective Perino said.
“Yes,” Mr. Crespo said. At some point, the 17-year old reached into a pocket and secretly switched on the recording feature of his brand-new MP3 player he got for Christmas.
Then Mr. Crespo went on trial. Detective Perino — the last and least necessary prosecution witness, denied that his questioning of Mr. Crespo had ever taken place ;;; “I never interrogated your client.”
The defense lawyer produced transcripts of the session, and a CD of the recording.
So one set of surveillance cameras showed Mr. Crespo getting on an elevator and captured the shooting that followed, leaving little doubt about his actions.
Digital technology has created free-range history. Detective Perino might not have shaken the habit of owning history.
A Switch Is Flipped, and Justice Listens In - JIM DWYER (edited)
Christmas 2005 Erik Crespo, 17, got on an elevator …. shot a man in the face. Surveillance cameras ... captured much of it on tape, and Mr. Crespo was squarely implicated.
What followed, though, was an object lesson in just how ungovernable history has become now that digital technology has made it possible for almost any human exchange to be easily, and cheaply, recorded.
Six days later, Detective Christopher Perino, from the 44th Precinct, caught up with Mr. Crespo and took him into an interrogation room.
“And our conversation right now does not exist, you following me?” Detective Perino said.
“Yes,” Mr. Crespo said. At some point, the 17-year old reached into a pocket and secretly switched on the recording feature of his brand-new MP3 player he got for Christmas.
Then Mr. Crespo went on trial. Detective Perino — the last and least necessary prosecution witness, denied that his questioning of Mr. Crespo had ever taken place ;;; “I never interrogated your client.”
The defense lawyer produced transcripts of the session, and a CD of the recording.
So one set of surveillance cameras showed Mr. Crespo getting on an elevator and captured the shooting that followed, leaving little doubt about his actions.
Digital technology has created free-range history. Detective Perino might not have shaken the habit of owning history.
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From what I saw in the video at least one officer is aware that Officer Slager apparently planted his Taser next to the shooting victim. The second officer should also be charged; one would think that being an accessory to murder would be appropriate.
Ironically, the other officer is black...
Ironically, the other officer is black...
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Appalling, horrendous, and scary.
What have we become?
What have we become?
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We haven't become anything we weren't in the past. There is not a great upsurge of racial motivated killings by cops. It's just a lot more likely to be recorded on video now.
Take away their guns.
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The presence of the second police officer raises other questions. I wonder if Slager picked up his TASER from where he planted it as a result of a comment from the second apparently-black officer (either "that ain't gonna work - someone is filming us" or more hopefully "I hope you're not planning to say he took your TASER". Regardless, what did the second officer see, what did he report, and what did the initial arrest report say, before the film came out. Why did it take the film to lead to action? Make sure those arrest documents don't get "lost", or discarded when they are "revised". Slager may not be the only one at fault here.
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At this point, assured of the documented truth of the killing, we should now refer to Slager, as "Slayer".
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Amazing, how this story is being delivered. Nothing about a criminal background, nothing negative concerning the victim. A completely different spin. Finally someone who has a Soul with some Integrity who sees right and wrong. The Shift is in full effect...
The south has lived through Historical Racism , the Evolution of Racism brings one to a place they don't want to be repeated.
The south has lived through Historical Racism , the Evolution of Racism brings one to a place they don't want to be repeated.
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Ha! I am a white female who moved to N. Charleston for a very short time. I have never seen such gestapo type police before. I was an avid walker and would take my daily walk to the store and back (about 2 miles). Well, I was constantly harassed and asked for my ID. I was not wearing suggestive clothing and have never been involved with drugs etc. They should have been able to tell by my wardrobe that I was exercising. Yet everyday, I would get harrassed. Sometimes by 3 cop cars at a time. And oh- if you get pulled over in North Charleston- they are rude, cocky and nasty towards you. NOT a bit the way they should act. Usually 3 COPS CARS WILL STOP YOU AT ONCE- even if you weren't speeding etc. They will drag you out of the car, pat you down and accuse you of having drugs in your car. Thats what they did to me several times. Each time- they had to let me go- after the drug dogs found nothing and they had gone through my car WITHOUT my permission. These North Charleston cops are NOT like cops elsewhere in the country. They are bullies and THIS IS NOT the first time a cop has shot an unarmed man in this city. Google it- do your research! It is about time that one of these bullies got caught!! They rarely PROTECT the people of North Charleston- but they HAVE bullied and hurt them for a long time. I do not see any good hearted person wanting to remain on this police force very long.
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This post should get a lot more publicity. Everyone is out demonizing officer Slager, but the truth seems to be that the main difference between him and the other officers seems to be one of degree (at best) and that he let himself be caught on video while he was performing his "duties".
Time for the Justice Department team that investigated the institutional rot in Ferguson, MO to move on to N. Charlestown, SC.
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Apparently, the only defense Officer Slager has is that he was not properly trained.
Oh yes he was. He was trained very well.
Clearly there's a lot of trigger-happy, racist, and unintelligent police patrolling the streets who are looking for opportunities and reasons (valid or not) to shoot somebody. Don't give them a reason to shoot. Don't run or punch a cop, and you likely won't get shot.
How on earth did the people shooting the video survive? Not one of the cops seemed to notice him filming.
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As I've told many of my friends, I'm DONE having discussions about the institutional and systemic racism that Black people face in ALL walks of life. The jacked up thing about this, is that even with this video, there is still a jury to be found who will let this "public servant" walk. And that other so-called "public servant", Slager's partner, who saw him plant the taser (or whatever he dropped) should be charged as an accessory to this crime. If Slager receives justice, fine, it's happened before in other cases, but I'm not holding my breath.
My wife, my kids, my friends, and my neighbors, who look like me, are sitting ducks, and its open season whenever someone feels like it. This is why SOME of U.S. have a real problem with "Stand Your Ground" lies, I mean, laws. And it's not race hustlin' or poverty pimpin' when you're telling the truth!! Black people are not reverse-racist, hyperbolic, prone-to-exaggeration, looking-for-government-handouts, lying sufferers of a victim mentality. That's a myth/excuse hustled and pimped by those who don't want to deal with the very real and far-reaching problems of race in America...
My wife, my kids, my friends, and my neighbors, who look like me, are sitting ducks, and its open season whenever someone feels like it. This is why SOME of U.S. have a real problem with "Stand Your Ground" lies, I mean, laws. And it's not race hustlin' or poverty pimpin' when you're telling the truth!! Black people are not reverse-racist, hyperbolic, prone-to-exaggeration, looking-for-government-handouts, lying sufferers of a victim mentality. That's a myth/excuse hustled and pimped by those who don't want to deal with the very real and far-reaching problems of race in America...
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Every single person with a camera phone should use it against the police. This country has become a police state.
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Most police officers are former soldiers. As soldiers they were trained in their formative years (18-28) on how to deal with dark-skinned people in the various military adventures in the last 20 years (in Iraq and Afghanistan) shoot the muji first and ask questions later.
I agree Scott was dumb to think he could avoid the consequences of failing to pay child support by running away but Scott didn't deserve to be shot in the back five times.
The cop will be in protective confinement for the rest of his life because he will be killed in prison for this.
I agree Scott was dumb to think he could avoid the consequences of failing to pay child support by running away but Scott didn't deserve to be shot in the back five times.
The cop will be in protective confinement for the rest of his life because he will be killed in prison for this.
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Hopefully.
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Take their guns away and give them body armor so they won't feel they're in "mortal danger."
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The entire police force should be held accountable...not only shot the fellow while RUNNING, they lied about performing CPR...this guy died while they stood there. And Slager obviously picked up the taser and then threw it down where the Scott was dying. How was Scott a threat after Slager had already fired the taser?
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South Carolina law on tail lights only states that one needs to be working. However the Supreme Court of the USA states that a policeman may pull over a car if he doesn't know the specific law.
Let's face it...He was DWB and Driving a Mercedes while black too. It obviously couldn't have belonged to a black guy. (Yes. I am being facetious.)
In most states you canNOT use deadly force to stop someone who is running from a police officer.
This is all so ungodly! And it is Obama's fault! If he had known his place..and it wasn't in the WHITE House-- none of this simmering hatred would have come to the surface...and having a black attorney general too! This was WAY too much for many old white men.
Let's face it...He was DWB and Driving a Mercedes while black too. It obviously couldn't have belonged to a black guy. (Yes. I am being facetious.)
In most states you canNOT use deadly force to stop someone who is running from a police officer.
This is all so ungodly! And it is Obama's fault! If he had known his place..and it wasn't in the WHITE House-- none of this simmering hatred would have come to the surface...and having a black attorney general too! This was WAY too much for many old white men.
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Nothing like fighting racism with racism.
What's the difference from what this video shows ....and say...what would happen regularly in 1870 to 1930.
We're going nowhere.
We're going nowhere.
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You got it. Lynching by any other name is a lynching. A gun a rope. The end result is the same. The white sheets have been replaced with a police uniform.
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It's time to bring in some professional police forces from other nations to retrain American police. Forces from Britain, Spain, Germany and Japan could teach American cops a great deal.
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I don't think it is in the genes of Americans, or in the water of this country. I think it is in the political will of the people. The New York city cops, and the so-called union man showed great deal of disrespect and revolt to the Mayor of the city but nothing happened to them.
The police wear guns, and they think they are the cowboys to set the wrongs right, and take the life of most trivial law breaker, by their act they create a police state in which they act police, judge, and jury and dole out justice.
And no cop will testify against the other even if he is a cold-blooded murderer.
The police wear guns, and they think they are the cowboys to set the wrongs right, and take the life of most trivial law breaker, by their act they create a police state in which they act police, judge, and jury and dole out justice.
And no cop will testify against the other even if he is a cold-blooded murderer.
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Who is the "bystander" who filmed the shooting? As I reeled from the violence of the shooting, I was also overcome by the bravery of the man filming an armed cop. I hope he is willing to be named so we may all show gratitude.
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I hope not. He will be target of racist cops everywhere. He won't survive a week.
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I wouldn't be willing to be named if I were he. The other N.Chas'ton cops would make his life a living ... uh, inferno.
It should be required of all police officers to live in the communities they serve. It’s highly unlikely, but I believe it could subside the fear and prejudice “some” officers have towards the people living in the communities they’re suppose to protect. Walter Scott’s murder was unlawful. This atrocity is the latest example of how fear and prejudice will cause “some” people to make irrational decisions, especially when it pertains to minorities.
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Why is this so COMMON? Our police force is supposed to protect lives not take them needlessly and callously. Our police force needs to do a better job at vetting the officers. The rest of us need to hold them accountable. This is NOT even a little bit okay - none of this.
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It's probably just 1 more attempt in a long series of efforts to foment riots, to justify the rolling out of martial law, for which "the powers that be" have been prepping for since 2001 (actually, as far back as the 1990s).
Halliburton builds the concentration camps. Heimats Versicherung ("homeland" "security") orders billions of bullets. America is renamed USNORTHCOM and assumes a theater of war posture. FY2012 NDAA gives Prexy power to name anyone Terrorist Non Grata and dump him into military durance vile forever--w/o/b Constitutional Due Process, Writ of Habeas Corpus and all that old "quaint" stuff. With repeal of Posse Comitatus law, the Pentagon gets to play Universal Police Force in every Middlesex village and town, where once Paul Revere did a bit of horse riding. Prohibition against War Department and other gummint agencies hosing Americans with "foreign propaganda" is lifted so gummint no longer needs to hide its program of lies directed at Americans--no longer is there need for "truthiness"–bald faced lying is the new orange in Gulag Amerika.'
Just as the 1940-1941 regime of embargo/blockade of Japan successfully goaded Japan to attack "on American soil," the war-mongers are trying to goad African-Americanss and injustice-aware other citizens into overt retaliatory acts to justify the roll-out of martial law, or so it seems to many. After a few more bleed-out deaths at the hands of police, they may move to beheadings and heads on a pike around police HQs.
Halliburton builds the concentration camps. Heimats Versicherung ("homeland" "security") orders billions of bullets. America is renamed USNORTHCOM and assumes a theater of war posture. FY2012 NDAA gives Prexy power to name anyone Terrorist Non Grata and dump him into military durance vile forever--w/o/b Constitutional Due Process, Writ of Habeas Corpus and all that old "quaint" stuff. With repeal of Posse Comitatus law, the Pentagon gets to play Universal Police Force in every Middlesex village and town, where once Paul Revere did a bit of horse riding. Prohibition against War Department and other gummint agencies hosing Americans with "foreign propaganda" is lifted so gummint no longer needs to hide its program of lies directed at Americans--no longer is there need for "truthiness"–bald faced lying is the new orange in Gulag Amerika.'
Just as the 1940-1941 regime of embargo/blockade of Japan successfully goaded Japan to attack "on American soil," the war-mongers are trying to goad African-Americanss and injustice-aware other citizens into overt retaliatory acts to justify the roll-out of martial law, or so it seems to many. After a few more bleed-out deaths at the hands of police, they may move to beheadings and heads on a pike around police HQs.
I have no time for conspiracy theories, but the more often things like this happen, the more concerned I become that there's some group of people out there that are just looking for an excuse to roll out an Operation Reinhard against Americans that they believe aren't American enough.
Is this the country to think of Venezuela as a threat to US ?. Is this the country that thinks that Venezuela, Cuba or North Korea individual rights are violated ?. Police US is the worst in the world, being the most racist, xenophobic and most historically solve everything with shots, product of a sick society with a culture plagued by violence and educated for war. If I had not been shot that dog, Mr Scott would surely an offender
We saw the mortal end - a black body, handcuffed, face down in the dirt. We saw the middle - that black citizen cut down by a hail of hollow-points. But we didn't see the VERY beginning. The reason for the stop.
At this point, I'm beginning to doubt whether Scott's car tail-light was even broken.
At this point, I'm beginning to doubt whether Scott's car tail-light was even broken.
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The cop, by his physique and age, could have easily outrun this guy and taken him down physically if he really wanted to stop him. The fact that he shot him, and so many times, without trying to stop him physically is treating him like an animal. This is outrageous.
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Black male citizens have been demonized for centuries in our country. Finally we have authors bringing this to our attention, see: "The New Jim Crow: Mass Incarceration in the Age of Colorblindness," a book by Michelle Alexander.
The incarceration, dehumanizing and murder of black citizens is an outgrowth of the violence of slavery in our past. These actions are taken agains blacks to intimidate, coerce and control them.
These police actions are the present day equivalence of lynchings. Let's stop ignoring these types of actions and make police face real consequences for illegal behavior. Attacking a citizen with overwhelming force is the wrong answer.
Yes, I know there are good cops. My brother is one, but this must end.
The incarceration, dehumanizing and murder of black citizens is an outgrowth of the violence of slavery in our past. These actions are taken agains blacks to intimidate, coerce and control them.
These police actions are the present day equivalence of lynchings. Let's stop ignoring these types of actions and make police face real consequences for illegal behavior. Attacking a citizen with overwhelming force is the wrong answer.
Yes, I know there are good cops. My brother is one, but this must end.
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That cop should get the death penalty. I wish the media would stop making this about race. It's not about black men being shot by white cops. It's about cops thinking they can use deadly force when it's not in any way called for and get away with it. Cops should be afraid to shoot citizens, and quite honestly they shouldn't be able to shoot until they've been shot at. They chose to do the job. Most cops are just aggressive, power tripping overgrown frat boys anyways. I'm very curious as to how this case would have gone without the video. I'm sure he would have got off by saying he felt threatened because the guy had whatever the cop decided to drop next to the body. Whoever shot this video should have waited till the inquiry was over and then released it, just to show how messed up the system is and how much cops lie
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Any loss of life should be mourned. With that said, the officer will likely say that there was a struggle, and he saw Mr. Scott's hand(s) move to his waistband as Mr. Scott fled. Law enforcement training is that action beats reaction, and an individual's hand(s) moving to the waistband area could indicate an attempt to retrieve a weapon justifying the use of deadly force. Law enforcement officers are also taught that a subject's attempt to gain the advantage of cover may also pose a threat to the officer justifying the use of deadly force. Ultimately, the officer will likely claim that he fired successive shots until the threat that he perceived Mr. Scott posed stopped. This is indicated by the last shot preceding Mr. Scott falling. Not that this will be a popular opinion, but there may well be law enforcement experts who agree that this officer's application of deadly force following this sequence of events is objectively not outside the realm of law enforcement deadly force training. As for the officer's thought that Mr. Scott had taken the taser, this may well be subjectively true. If that is the case, the officer will say that his placing the taser by Mr. Scott after the shooting, if that is what in fact happened, was inexcusably bad judgment in the immediate aftermath of this horrible encounter.
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Not sure if this has been mentioned but when a cop shoots and misses, he could end up hitting a completely innocent bystander. This happened in NYC a few years back when cops fired at a guy with a gun and hit two people around the guy.
This cop missed the guy three times out of eight shots. Better than the cop who shot Michael Brown - I think he fired 16 times and hit him less than 8 times. It's not just the wrong thing to do when your life isn't in immediate danger, it's completely irresponsible.
This cop missed the guy three times out of eight shots. Better than the cop who shot Michael Brown - I think he fired 16 times and hit him less than 8 times. It's not just the wrong thing to do when your life isn't in immediate danger, it's completely irresponsible.
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I keep trying to understand how this officer could do this. What was his psychology at the moment? Because this man ran from him, he pulled out his weapon and shot him in the back. Was he so enraged as to have no control? Was he calm and collected and seeking revenge? The cop is about to become a first-time father next month. He's destroyed the lives of the Scott family, but also his own family. Was it worth it?
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Evidently he thinks so. I feel for his family, but more for Mr. Scott's.
Michael Slager literally shot Walter Scott in the back, no question. But he also figuratively shot all good cops in the back.
The reputation of police will continue to nose dive in this country until good cops step up, speak up, and call out bigotry, bias, prejudice in their ranks. It should be part of their duty as public servants.
Enough of this horrible nonsense!
The reputation of police will continue to nose dive in this country until good cops step up, speak up, and call out bigotry, bias, prejudice in their ranks. It should be part of their duty as public servants.
Enough of this horrible nonsense!
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I am sorry for all the people that think that cops are good. They are just not. My 16 year old was stunned gunned running away from a cop because he had a beer in his pocket and didn't want to miss sporting events per school policy. Same story of fearing for his safety was the cops reasoning. But he really just wanted to use the stun gun to have a little fun in a town where nothing ever happens. Slager wanted to use his gun and that is why he became a cop in the first place. In which case this was premeditated. Cops should be drafted. If you want to be a cop there is something wrong with you.
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I don't understand how this keeps happening. What I REALLY don't understand is where this racism and fear for African-American people comes from. Have U.S citizens forgotten that it was white people who literally ENSLAVED black people for hundreds of years? Who put muzzles on them and treated them worse than animals? Who chained them, beat them, and brutally maimed them? Yet still, it's black people who are considered inferior and hated. I will never understand that. I'm 19 years old, Chinese, and with a 10 month old nephew who is black. I dread the day he needs to learn that this type of tragedy happens, with increasing frequency, in our country. I dread the day that he becomes a target for institutionalized discrimination and violence. This is unacceptable beyond any reasonable belief. I am enraged.
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Watch the video and tell me whether there is any evidence of racism. Those who believe the is are just assuming it because the cop was white and the victm was black. Absent specific evidence of racism, all you have here is a cop apparently going over the line,
Say it!
The apparent fact that the two officers falsified the police report surely indicates that they knew that they were wrong to shoot this man in the back and then let him die without medical assistance. Let's now see if a jury can come to the same conclusion...
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On TV cop shows, we see all the time that the guy waiting in the car while his buddy shoots the store clerk is just as guilt of murder. I'll assume for the moment that this is an approximation of what happens in reality. This being the case, why is Slager's partner not also charged with murder and a host of other charges?
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Around the 2:10 mark of the first video, the item dropped by Officer Slager near Mr.Scott is picked up by Slager and placed in his belt. If NYT wants to be accurate and balanced, that too should be noted in the reporting and that section of video played in slow motion also.
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The police officer shoots an unarmed man who is fleeing away from him, obviously no danger to officer or anyone else , then calmly ,without any concern for the human whom he has just shot eight times, proceeds to handcuff the dying and bleeding man . This is cruelty beyond comprehension !
What gets me is the complete and utter lack of compassion from the officer who shot this unfortunate man and the one who came afterwards . They do not at all try to help the dying man or in anyway show any respect towards him.
The shooting officer then implants his taser on the fatally injured man.
The whole incident shows an indifference towards human life by these police officers and utter contempt for the victim.
Coming after recent such incidents and nationwide protests , this is all the more incomprehensible .
This police culture must change if this country wants to avoid fracturing along racial & color lines
What gets me is the complete and utter lack of compassion from the officer who shot this unfortunate man and the one who came afterwards . They do not at all try to help the dying man or in anyway show any respect towards him.
The shooting officer then implants his taser on the fatally injured man.
The whole incident shows an indifference towards human life by these police officers and utter contempt for the victim.
Coming after recent such incidents and nationwide protests , this is all the more incomprehensible .
This police culture must change if this country wants to avoid fracturing along racial & color lines
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My statement may seem over the top to some but I honestly can say the last video that shocked me to the core like this one was airplanes flying into buildings on 9/11!
As a nation that boasts of its Christian heritage; where is concern for the poor and the least in our society?
As a nation that boasts of its Christian heritage; where is concern for the poor and the least in our society?
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Lies, lies, lies. The officer was being threatened and feared for his life. Lie. The victim ran away with his taser. Lie. The officers performed CPR. Lie. No one should believe anything this police department has to say.
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Planting evidence is commonplace from what I have learned over the decades. Planting a weapon on a victim of a police shooting is commonly referred to as "a throw-down".
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Obviously I am not convinced that Officer Slager was in fear of his life, as he stated, when he shot Mr. Scott. If it weren't for the video, he would have gotten away with his heinous murder of Mr. Scott. This is truly despicable. My husband believes that police officers should be held to a higher standard, and thus this murder warrants a death penalty. He believes that if Officer Slager is allowed to get away with the murder, then this is like the government condoning a public lynching, just like they did in the 50's. Since I am against the death penalty and life without possibility of parole, for me, I would like to see him tried at the state level and put away for 30-40 years. He took away an innocent person's life and tried to cover it up and furthermore, so callously handcuffed a dying man. By putting him away to prison for 30-40 years, we need to set an example of what happens when a police officer so callously takes away an innocent person's life.
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I've watched the video about 10 times. There is no doubt in my mind: this cop deserves the needle.
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I wonder how many people have been shot with a policeman saying in defense: "They were trying to get my weapon"...? This is what the alleged murderer had originally said, and seems to ring a bell with several recent questionable police shootings. If there are no witnesses or videos, such a claim cannot be refuted. Finally, in this instance, it is, and I hope it leads to every policeman or woman having to wear a camera on their uniform to hold them accountable. It should not have to come to that, and the job is risky, sometimes thankless, and scary, but it's a job one chooses, and one must hold in the highest regard. If one cannot, then we need to implement more oversight (e.g. the camera).
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The bystander who shot this sickening video of a cold blooded murder is the true hero. He was very courageous because he risked that the officer shot at him too and then would have claimed he feared for his life because something was pointing at him.
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How do you know it was a man and not a woman?
When are we going to deal with the racism in this country? Incidents like this have been going on for 400 years! When is it going to stop? Will my black son and my descendants have to worry about this for another 400 years? Will my grandchildren and great-great grandchildren need to have the "beware of cops talk" with their sons? Oh God, when will it stop?
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Black males seem to make white cops tremble in their boots. Why do white male cops live in fear of black males? All kinds of bad behavior are rooted in fear, and cops are no exception.
White cops don't seem to see black males as human beings just like themselves. Instead, fear makes white cops look at African-American men as "the other," a threat, a problem to be solved in a cop's way - with force, an exertion of official power. The idea that this "threat" is actually a product of their own fearful imagination simply doesn't occur to them.
And in cities like North Charleston and Ferguson, whites have institutionalized their fear of blacks. That's why the police forces in those towns are 80 percent white, and they keep it that way by hiring mostly other whites - white men who bring their fear of black men into the police force, just adding to the fear already governing the force.
The result is fearful cops patrolling with guns and shooting black men as a matter of instinct. They have a lethal shoot first, ask questions later reaction to something they're afraid of - fear without reason.
Clearly, many, many whites - especially those who go into police work - have a lot of work to do to rid themselves of this baseless fear and learn to see blacks as actual human beings and not as alien beings needing to be cut down.
White cops don't seem to see black males as human beings just like themselves. Instead, fear makes white cops look at African-American men as "the other," a threat, a problem to be solved in a cop's way - with force, an exertion of official power. The idea that this "threat" is actually a product of their own fearful imagination simply doesn't occur to them.
And in cities like North Charleston and Ferguson, whites have institutionalized their fear of blacks. That's why the police forces in those towns are 80 percent white, and they keep it that way by hiring mostly other whites - white men who bring their fear of black men into the police force, just adding to the fear already governing the force.
The result is fearful cops patrolling with guns and shooting black men as a matter of instinct. They have a lethal shoot first, ask questions later reaction to something they're afraid of - fear without reason.
Clearly, many, many whites - especially those who go into police work - have a lot of work to do to rid themselves of this baseless fear and learn to see blacks as actual human beings and not as alien beings needing to be cut down.
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I am from a time where one would see in the movies police officers using what was called a "thrown down." That is, a weapon that the officer carried for the specific purpose to assert justifiable homicide, as it would go "He had a gun." It was a time, at least from my perspective, that the shooting death of an unarmed person by police was considered abhorrent. It is not hard to see that there has been a 180 degree shift in that thinking, especially in the law enforcment community, as we see he most flimsy of resons posited for the killing of a citizen. All one hears now is "I feared for my life." Then thereafter one tends to hear "After diligent inguiry, it has been determined that the officer followed proper police procedure and/or policy." Thus, the killing of an unarmed person, from a mere police policy perspective, was justifiable homicide. Somewhere it has occured that the wrong people are setting police policy that provides for this kind of deadly brutality. Is it the polititions controlling the discourse, the AGs of the various states, or is it police deparments' administration and police unions, telling the citizens that via police procedure who it may kill and the circumstances it can use to engage in such so called justifiable killings. We need to know how we evolved to this point, and who is it that is contolling the conveersation and development of police use of deadly force and the fix it.
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Why isn't the second officer on the scene being charged with the murder also? he CLEARLY helped cover it up (or their attempt to!) He saw the shooter drop the taser by the body...if his statement was ANYTHING other then that, he should be charged with conspiracy to commit murder after the fact...period.
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I am very shocked that the Police even charged him. They always try to justify what the officers do in some kind of way and it just makes me so mad! We as a country have a very Large issue with police and public officials getting away with doing horrible things. I feel that more of them should be punished for their actions. You have no right to kill someone just because you have a badge. There are so many reports of Police Brutality and killings that go over looked or dismissed when there should be prosecution. Police should be required to be video taped at all times so that there is evidence on how and what they do in all aspects of the job. We as Americans pay for the police to protect us not to just do what they want.
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Truly a sad and upsetting situation. This by far should have never happened!
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There is something known as due process in the United States. The suspect is charged with a crime, a grand jury examines the evidence, an indictment is extended by the District Attorney's office.
Due process is not splashing a video all over the internet, having Senators and Congressmen condemn the police officer, having him fired from his job. That's known as a kangaroo court. Those elected public officials need a serious reprimand.
There is no indication this video will even be admissible as grand jury evidence. But it certainly goes a long way to having the suspect in the shooting executed in the media. If you feel ashamed of your country right now, it is because of this racially motivated hysteria that condemns any and all involved in an incident involving a black man and a white cop.
Due process is not splashing a video all over the internet, having Senators and Congressmen condemn the police officer, having him fired from his job. That's known as a kangaroo court. Those elected public officials need a serious reprimand.
There is no indication this video will even be admissible as grand jury evidence. But it certainly goes a long way to having the suspect in the shooting executed in the media. If you feel ashamed of your country right now, it is because of this racially motivated hysteria that condemns any and all involved in an incident involving a black man and a white cop.
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Where was Walter Scott's due-process?
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There is something called due process in the United States. A prosecutor convenes a grand jury, dumps all the evidence on them at once, making the grand jury the trial jury without a judge being present. The grand jury refuses to indict the officer on Staten Island in the death of Eric Garner. That's how it really worked in New York City. And that's how it's being played out across the country. Hands up! Don't shoot!
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ALSO chilling to this reader are the following:
- The policeman's apparent and total lack of sensitivity towards a dying man by simply standing and WITHOUT attending the dying man as if he has just hunted a game; and,
- The quickness and calmness with which he trotted back to the original spot, then picking up and planting later what appears to be the Taser, as if he has been trained to do so in such situations.
- The policeman's apparent and total lack of sensitivity towards a dying man by simply standing and WITHOUT attending the dying man as if he has just hunted a game; and,
- The quickness and calmness with which he trotted back to the original spot, then picking up and planting later what appears to be the Taser, as if he has been trained to do so in such situations.
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This explosive video can only be compared to the infamous Pulitzer Prize winning photo taken by Eddie Adams during the height of the Tet Offensive. As was the case then, this current video arouses the deep rooted suspicions & fears of many that there is something very wrong with our Police & Justice System.
The courage that it took to actually make this recording needs to be recognized in a formal manner. Rarely, does one individual have the presence of mind and self control to capture such a horrific moment on film. The repercussions will be enormous.
The courage that it took to actually make this recording needs to be recognized in a formal manner. Rarely, does one individual have the presence of mind and self control to capture such a horrific moment on film. The repercussions will be enormous.
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Mr. Scott appears to be in a fenced in yard. The 33 year old officer doesn't think he can catch the 53 year old man while he's trying to get over the fence. The policeman coldly, and so calmly shoots him, even after he appeared to be hit. He was acting like he was playing a video came. It is revolting.
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No one supports murder under the color of authority but you will have some sociopaths in uniform and in any profession. There are many instances of split-second life-or-death decisions made in the chaos of violence that later turn out to be wrong, but they are necessitated by the nature of law enforcement and people have to acknowledge that. This case however was not one of those, it was simply murder and it is basically defamatory to assume that the vast majority of police officers would countenance it.
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Only in America could the likes of Cliven Bundy and his ilk be alive and well while Walter Scott, Eric Garner, Michael Brown, John Crawford and Tamir Rice be dead.
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The fact that this society needs a videocamera recording every step of our daily life and activity is a sign that honesty and credibility are two lost qualities.
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I felt physically sick watching this cold-blooded murder. What in God's name when through this man's mind when he decided to shoot a fleeing suspect? This video changes everything. As a white man I have heard but never understood the things that Black Americans have said about how they have been treated by the police. My reaction was usually, "The police did that to you? That does not sound like the police officers I have interacted with over the years." That is because in the eyes of some police officers there are two standards of justice - one for white people and another for everyone else. There are percentage of police officers who should not be police officers. The challenge every police department faces is to find out who they are and get them off the force. For the good of everyone - including the many good police officers who risk their lives every day.
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Why did Scott turn away and run? Simple! He was shocked by Slager with a taser.
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possibly...
but, not likely...
a **properly** used taser would have put Mr. Scott on the ground writhing in pain...
my guess: the taser was never discharged...
maybe knocked out of the officer's hand,
and as the officer reached for it on the ground,
Mr. Scott bolted...
now too far away for the taser to be effective,
the officer stopped his retrieval of the taser and grabbed his gun.
but, not likely...
a **properly** used taser would have put Mr. Scott on the ground writhing in pain...
my guess: the taser was never discharged...
maybe knocked out of the officer's hand,
and as the officer reached for it on the ground,
Mr. Scott bolted...
now too far away for the taser to be effective,
the officer stopped his retrieval of the taser and grabbed his gun.
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I would guess that many police officers are of limited intelligence and on the lazy side. Looks like the police officer was too lazy to give chase on foot so he pulled out his pistol and let go a few rounds. It beats having to get all sweaty and out of breath when you have a gun that will do the job. Also, he probably got really peeved that his taser wasn't effective. If he could have gotten away with it I'm sure he would have taken a shot at the person doing the cellphone video.
I believe public opinion in America is changing and people are starting to think of policemen as dangerous individuals prowling the streets, with gun at the ready and with testosterone and adrenalin flowing.
Even when they can't arrest you or shoot you I've found they seem to relish speeding up and tailgating you and giving you a $250 ticket for some minor infraction. I know that most policemen don't like black people but they also have disdain for white people too. They are on a power trip. No one is safe.
Whenever a cop stops me my first inclination is to yell "I'm white, I'm white", just to get that fact out of the way.
I believe public opinion in America is changing and people are starting to think of policemen as dangerous individuals prowling the streets, with gun at the ready and with testosterone and adrenalin flowing.
Even when they can't arrest you or shoot you I've found they seem to relish speeding up and tailgating you and giving you a $250 ticket for some minor infraction. I know that most policemen don't like black people but they also have disdain for white people too. They are on a power trip. No one is safe.
Whenever a cop stops me my first inclination is to yell "I'm white, I'm white", just to get that fact out of the way.
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great comment....
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In southern America, at least in Florida, it is acceptable for a white man to shoot a black person. The fact that it was a police officer only makes it more likely that the shooting will occur. Charges were unlikely. Conviction is almost impossible.
The lynching continues.
The lynching continues.
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Bad cops beware: this was a citizen's arrest. We are watching and we are filming.
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This is a democracy, not a dictatorship. When you are stopped by a police officer in a democratic society, that is not the time for meek submission. You are a citizen with rights. Those rights are there to be asserted against the brute force of his badge and his gun. It is what we have as citizens to protect ourselves against police violence. Be cooperative, yes, but also vigilant and assertive in defending your rights.
I am very surprised by the number of people who have come onto these boards to convey the message that American citizens should, in all cases, just meekly do whatever the officer says. That is certainly a counsel of prudence, because he/she is holding a gun and you are not, but it is not a counsel of justice or even good citizenship. That man or woman WORKS FOR YOU. And there are enough bad cops making bad decisions out there that vigilance in the defense of your rights at the moment of arrest should be considered not only a right but a duty.
True story: I was nearly gunned down in TX a few years back. The cop thought I had stolen the car I was driving. You see, it was my wife's car, and she didn't take my name when we married, so this yahoo dipstick thought I had stolen it. They pointed guns at my chest, threw me to the ground, and handcuffed me. I nearly died that day all because the cop couldn't imagine a situation where the wife doesn't take the husband's last name.
Thank God I was white.
I am very surprised by the number of people who have come onto these boards to convey the message that American citizens should, in all cases, just meekly do whatever the officer says. That is certainly a counsel of prudence, because he/she is holding a gun and you are not, but it is not a counsel of justice or even good citizenship. That man or woman WORKS FOR YOU. And there are enough bad cops making bad decisions out there that vigilance in the defense of your rights at the moment of arrest should be considered not only a right but a duty.
True story: I was nearly gunned down in TX a few years back. The cop thought I had stolen the car I was driving. You see, it was my wife's car, and she didn't take my name when we married, so this yahoo dipstick thought I had stolen it. They pointed guns at my chest, threw me to the ground, and handcuffed me. I nearly died that day all because the cop couldn't imagine a situation where the wife doesn't take the husband's last name.
Thank God I was white.
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Police officer's need to understand that there gun is for the preservation of their life and the lives of others not to affect arrests I dont agree that all of the officers were wrong in the videos that have been surfacing latley but this one is clear cut and dry.......murder
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And one more thing, if Scott's first and last name were Cliven and Bundy; he was white; he owed the federal government a bunch of money; and he had a bunch of yahoos training rifles on federal agents ... he would've lived to see another day.
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He wasn't unarmed. He was armed with a tazer he just grabbed from the officer's belt. Had he shot the officer with that tazer the officer would have been disabled and the guy could have taken his gun. Every "unarmed man shot" report I hear all over the media always involves someone resisting arrest or fighting with an officer. When someone physically attacks an officer with a gun there is a risk to that officer's life that his gun will be taken from him and he'll be shot with it. It happens all the time. The officer has every right to shoot. Don't resist arrest and you won't get shot.
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Sorry, was he armed as he RAN AWAY? NO. We see the cop picking up the taser and dropping at Mr. Scott's body. Duh.
I'd insult your intelligence, but I can see you claim Dallas as home. Nuff said.
I'd insult your intelligence, but I can see you claim Dallas as home. Nuff said.
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The victim was running away, what kind of coward shoots someone in the back?
The kind of coward named "Slager"...
The kind of coward named "Slager"...
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I haven't read all the comments, but has someone suggested that this is also the result of firearms so easily available in the US?
Of course the cop here is a murderer, but if we look at the wider picture, how many episodes like this are due to the police having to be alert and nervous all the time because they never know whether the person in front of them carries a gun of not?
The police forces in all the other developed countries aren't as stressed out because they can expect to have the monopoly of force, which in turns results in fewer people being killed. The examples are countless.
Of course the cop here is a murderer, but if we look at the wider picture, how many episodes like this are due to the police having to be alert and nervous all the time because they never know whether the person in front of them carries a gun of not?
The police forces in all the other developed countries aren't as stressed out because they can expect to have the monopoly of force, which in turns results in fewer people being killed. The examples are countless.
The start of the video does show what may be the Taser being knocked to the ground as the men scuffle. So, it does appear to show Scott committing a felony by violently resisting arrest. Under U.S. law, a police officer can shoot a fleeing felon, but only if he has cause to believe the suspect may cause harm to the officer or to someone else. This is why the police officer was indicted. The town mayor said at the afternoon press conference that there is a police car video of the incident, which may show the start of the incident. The mayor also said the end of the video shot by the witness shows a cop trying to administer CPR or another life-saving measure.
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Or he tried to tazer him, or, he tazered him and he ran out of reflex. As Wilson in Ferguson, Brown ran after he was shot by Wilson at the car.
It is a natural reflex to flee from danger, we hardwired to evade harm.
Are we seriously going to think that the victim ran not to be apprehended for something so petty as traffic violation or even a support issue?
No! That cop, just as Wilson in Ferguson, shot their victim for virtually nothing.When they ran in fear, they gunned them down... in cold blood.
By the way, black relatives have stories that go back generations of racist cops, east, west, north, and south who killed blacks with impunity. That is why they continue to present day, they understand the history, and lack of accountability.
Wilson just didn't have video, otherwise he would have been charged too, at least by the justice dept...
It is a natural reflex to flee from danger, we hardwired to evade harm.
Are we seriously going to think that the victim ran not to be apprehended for something so petty as traffic violation or even a support issue?
No! That cop, just as Wilson in Ferguson, shot their victim for virtually nothing.When they ran in fear, they gunned them down... in cold blood.
By the way, black relatives have stories that go back generations of racist cops, east, west, north, and south who killed blacks with impunity. That is why they continue to present day, they understand the history, and lack of accountability.
Wilson just didn't have video, otherwise he would have been charged too, at least by the justice dept...
The video is a study in distilled and concentrated evil. The person who made it and publicized it is a hero.
The saddest part of this latest instance of wickedness is that there is no place in the United States where I could be certain this officer will be convicted, let alone meaningfully punished.
The saddest part of this latest instance of wickedness is that there is no place in the United States where I could be certain this officer will be convicted, let alone meaningfully punished.
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We should have known that, even in this case with clear video evidence, there would still be people defending the cop, blaming the victim, or otherwise seeking to mitigate the circumstances of this MURDER. Please just stop. Like the Mayor said, "when you're wrong, you're wrong."
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“When I despair, I remember that all through history the way of truth and love have always won. There have been tyrants and murderers, and for a time, they can seem invincible, but in the end, they always fall. Think of it--always.” ― Mahatma Gandhi
Cold blooded murder will not pass... hopefully... this time around.
Cold blooded murder will not pass... hopefully... this time around.
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So sad. I guess this is why all officers should have videos on their cars or helmets so it can prove innocence or guilt.
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We'll see what happens in this case, but I have serious doubts that the wearing of cameras by police will make much difference. After all, we saw plenty of video evidence from New York when Eric Gardner, a man guilty of nothing more than selling unlicensed cigarettes, lost his life after being wrestled to the ground. How many of those officers are going to trial?
I can't help but wonder to which extent people lose sense of what they're about to do when they draw a weapon and fire. Aren't we witnessing an act that has been so trivial in movies or video games that the police officer does not realize that he is taking the life of a human being ? A life, for crying out loud !
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This kinda thing goes on every day in America. It's just now more people have cellphone cameras to record the murderous police in action.
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CPR? Really? Where? When?
I've been certified in CPR and what the video clearly shows is no CPR being performed. Period. If this is CPR it's not a technique I'm familiar with. CPR is normally performed with the victim on their back, not PRONE as Mr. Scott was.
Shooting an unarmed individual in the back five times as their running away would be bad enough but to then LIE about the details (not to mention tampering or moving evidence) is nothing short of an abomination.
Thankfully, this time we have the video.
I've been certified in CPR and what the video clearly shows is no CPR being performed. Period. If this is CPR it's not a technique I'm familiar with. CPR is normally performed with the victim on their back, not PRONE as Mr. Scott was.
Shooting an unarmed individual in the back five times as their running away would be bad enough but to then LIE about the details (not to mention tampering or moving evidence) is nothing short of an abomination.
Thankfully, this time we have the video.
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Justice for the victim's family: NO GRAND JURY TRIAL.
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What is most terrifying about this slaughter?
That is has become so ordinary that we seem able to "name" it, to describe it, to decry it...but not stop it?
That we are relieved that there is a "video" of the event, but have little or no faith that this historical recording will bring understanding, true inquiry...or change?
That in our anguish and disbelief and outrage we do not see ourselves as agents of change, that we act much like helpless victims...unable to shape the society we live in.
That we are ignorant of of our own power to bring change -- peacefully but decisively.
That in the end, we have not learned how to be members of civil society, we have no willingness to stand up, to speak -- like the "mighty tide" we surely are...
And thus we have "got" what we "got" -- the Grand Bargain.
We have made this deal, this bargain, where the "lesser" life of some is the fodder which feeds the political beast, the commercial machine.
All is as it should be.
That
That is has become so ordinary that we seem able to "name" it, to describe it, to decry it...but not stop it?
That we are relieved that there is a "video" of the event, but have little or no faith that this historical recording will bring understanding, true inquiry...or change?
That in our anguish and disbelief and outrage we do not see ourselves as agents of change, that we act much like helpless victims...unable to shape the society we live in.
That we are ignorant of of our own power to bring change -- peacefully but decisively.
That in the end, we have not learned how to be members of civil society, we have no willingness to stand up, to speak -- like the "mighty tide" we surely are...
And thus we have "got" what we "got" -- the Grand Bargain.
We have made this deal, this bargain, where the "lesser" life of some is the fodder which feeds the political beast, the commercial machine.
All is as it should be.
That
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The amount of passive bigots and passive racists that try and hide behind the veil of tolerance is nothing short than flabbergasting; just read some of these comments. I will not ignore that the person who got shot was black or that the shooter was white. That is exactly what you do when you ask us not to make a "racial issue", you are ignoring the issue. Well sorry to wake you up from your wonderland dream, but it is a racial issue and if people like you keep on looking the other way because you are part of privileged america it will still be an issue.
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In this instance, as in many others, there is NOTHING wrong with letting a man flee from the police. He has abandoned his car, leaving behind information that will enable the police to track him down and arrest him subsequently.
Firing eight shots at a middle aged man who ran at a pace akin to jogging is wholly uncalled for, and is dereliction of duty as well as murder.
Anyone who argues that disrespect of the law is grounds for getting shot in the back really needs to seek professional counselling.
Firing eight shots at a middle aged man who ran at a pace akin to jogging is wholly uncalled for, and is dereliction of duty as well as murder.
Anyone who argues that disrespect of the law is grounds for getting shot in the back really needs to seek professional counselling.
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Well, I'm glad it wasn't a black cop who shot this fellow.
How would it be framed, then?
In Miami, where I'm at, this type of stuff happens on a daily basis; it's on the local news everyday, yes, everyday.
The only difference is that it's the B/C teeing-off on their own community, as well as the peripheral convenience stores, gas stations, McDonald's/Burger Kings, cell-phone shops, etc.
Nobody seems too upset about it, especially the B/C themselves.
Personally, I stereotype and profile the heck out of that community.
In combat situations it's how you keep yourself safe.
It's just, business as usual.
How would it be framed, then?
In Miami, where I'm at, this type of stuff happens on a daily basis; it's on the local news everyday, yes, everyday.
The only difference is that it's the B/C teeing-off on their own community, as well as the peripheral convenience stores, gas stations, McDonald's/Burger Kings, cell-phone shops, etc.
Nobody seems too upset about it, especially the B/C themselves.
Personally, I stereotype and profile the heck out of that community.
In combat situations it's how you keep yourself safe.
It's just, business as usual.
Why was the initial police report almost entirely false? We're supposed to trust them to protect the public not kill us then lie by trying to ruin our reputations to justify their blood lust. Disgusting
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What bothers me a great deal about the video is to see the policeman put handcuffs on the hands of the dead man he just shot eight times. Everything in this video is nauseating. I have no doubt in my mind that this scenario is the norm rather than the exception especially when it comes to minorities. This kind of wild West policing has to end now, if we don't want to start civil wars of our own. As a Caucasian I don't feel secure living in a place where this kind of behavior is tolerated.
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Whether this case falls into the debate of racism still poisoning America, or whether this is just situations of cops taking avantage of their power to harm others and get away with it- we need to find the root cause and exterminate the possibility of these situations occuring. It is heartbreaking, to say the least.
If the officer was in fear for his life from a stun gun, I guess stun guns shouldn't be issued at all for them to use, right? What logic. Too many police in our nation, and men in the world at large are carrying around weapons just itching to shoot them off in an instant at a live target. What kind of world are we handing to our future generations?
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The Taser can be used to temporarily but completely incapacitate the officer, allowing the suspect to take his/her gun. Then the suspect is free to shoot the officer at will. Hence fear for one's life. Duh.
This cop will be acquitted of the most serious charges and everyone knows it. He may be convicted of filing a false police report and other lesser charges.
Unfortunately for the prosecution, the defense will be able to show this videotape also, with its suggestion that a struggle of some sort occurred where Mr. Scott knocked the taser from the officer's hand before running away.
A jury eager to find any mitigating circumstance to avoid convicting a cop will find that sufficient. They will also note that a black cop was involved in the cover-up and that will help them quiet concerns about racial injustice etc. etc. They will have the one drop of reasonable doubt they require to ease their consciences.
When cops escape the consequences of their wrongdoing in liberal bastions like California and New York (though places like Staten Island are of course bastions of illiberality), how can you imagine a cop will be convicted of murder in South Carolina?
Justice and its perversion are one part of this tragedy; bad choices are another. "Blaming the victim" is a stupid mantra. It is unfortunately true in life that making a foolish choice is all that is necessary to create the fatal moment. Mr. Scott was unlucky in encountering any cop that day, because his instinct to resist and flee gave "law enforcement" the only excuse it needed.
Unfortunately for the prosecution, the defense will be able to show this videotape also, with its suggestion that a struggle of some sort occurred where Mr. Scott knocked the taser from the officer's hand before running away.
A jury eager to find any mitigating circumstance to avoid convicting a cop will find that sufficient. They will also note that a black cop was involved in the cover-up and that will help them quiet concerns about racial injustice etc. etc. They will have the one drop of reasonable doubt they require to ease their consciences.
When cops escape the consequences of their wrongdoing in liberal bastions like California and New York (though places like Staten Island are of course bastions of illiberality), how can you imagine a cop will be convicted of murder in South Carolina?
Justice and its perversion are one part of this tragedy; bad choices are another. "Blaming the victim" is a stupid mantra. It is unfortunately true in life that making a foolish choice is all that is necessary to create the fatal moment. Mr. Scott was unlucky in encountering any cop that day, because his instinct to resist and flee gave "law enforcement" the only excuse it needed.
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We have no video (so far as we know for now) of what happened right up until the point where the suspect fled from the officer for apparently what was the second time (it appears that the officer had already used his taser once already on the suspect). If the officer had felt it necessary to use his taser to attempt to subdue the suspect already, then it is plausible that he might have felt that only lethal force would do, especially if, in attempting to subdue the suspect after tasing him, a struggle broke out and the suspect had knocked away the taser, like we see in the video. The suspect remains in an aggressive posture right up until the point where the officer draws his weapon. Could the officer have run after him? Yes, but if you've already had to have chased someone down (where's the car? clearly they are no longer at the site of the traffic stop), and tased and attempted to subdue them, only to have them continue to resist arrest, it is plausible that you might decide that chasing and tackling again would represent too great of a potential harm to yourself and that lethal force is your only option. That may not have been the right choice (what about calling for backup?) But those of you who are letting your outrage get the best of you will be sorely disappointed when the outcome will be manslaughter and not murder.
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Or, Slager could have tased Mr. Scott at the get-go for the simple reason that Mr. Scott would not behave in a subservient manner.
Eliminates the entire rest of your fantasy and is equally, if not more, plausible.
Eliminates the entire rest of your fantasy and is equally, if not more, plausible.
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Not this one, he is going to pay for all of the police that have been exonerated for killing unarmed black men.
America now sees the truth and reality of white police and blacks. Long before drugs, gangs, or violence in any black community this has been the culture of policing blacks in America. Remember this nation had an apartheid system it almost just recently begun to dismantle with the civil rights movement.
Nope this cop, has exposed to the world, black folks weren't making this stuff up, "complainin". This is real, and not uncommon....
The cat is out the bag; incontrovertible....
America now sees the truth and reality of white police and blacks. Long before drugs, gangs, or violence in any black community this has been the culture of policing blacks in America. Remember this nation had an apartheid system it almost just recently begun to dismantle with the civil rights movement.
Nope this cop, has exposed to the world, black folks weren't making this stuff up, "complainin". This is real, and not uncommon....
The cat is out the bag; incontrovertible....
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“...poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.”
Clearly, Mr. Scott posed no threat. Hopefully, the justice system will give his murderer due process and appropriate justice. It is little compensation or solace for the Scott family...or the decent police officers who are honest and truly doing their best to serve and protect. So unnecessary.
Clearly, Mr. Scott posed no threat. Hopefully, the justice system will give his murderer due process and appropriate justice. It is little compensation or solace for the Scott family...or the decent police officers who are honest and truly doing their best to serve and protect. So unnecessary.
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There must be a better answer to effective policing that arming officers with deadly weapons.
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Just imagine how many similar events are "swept under the rug" for lack of video or lack of witnesses. Events involving police and victims of ALL races..............
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The fundamental question for the community of North Charlston is that, how come the Mayor and Police chiefs are white where 47% of residents are African-Americans and 37% are white. Afican-Americans must analyze this fact and take their future in their own hands. Get together and support your own candidate to take charge of the city.
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The lies made by the police are examples of the "blue wall" where by the loyalty to the group leads officers to ignore whatever sense of personal moral responsibility the individuals might have, and it's a fundamental betrayal of the oaths that they swear to uphold in the furtherance of their responsibilities as police officers. It's a frequent result of the way officers become isolated and end up at odds with the public who give them the authority to enforce the law.
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Yet another horrific murder of a Black man at a cop's hand. Yet another sigh of relief that I don't have children. I don't know if I could bear sending a Black boy out into the world every day, constantly wondering if he would be harassed by a police officer, stopped and frisked, or straight-up killed.
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This video is not very different from others we have seen. For instance, the one in which the 12 year old with a fake gun is killed, or the one in which an undocumented person is running away from police. How come in this case they were so quick to judge it a murder and not in the others. All of them have been cold blooded murders. How many more until things change?
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Unfortunately, they will introduce the toxicology report and if there was drugs in Scott's blood and if there were fingerprints on the Taser gun, and if they introduce his rap sheet showing Scott owed child support, then the cop is going to walk.
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Not this one, the cat is finally out of the bag.
Grandfather and great uncles of ours use to speak about the police and their hostility towards black men that turned deadly.
And they were all WWII veterans, law abiding, and productive....
Grandfather and great uncles of ours use to speak about the police and their hostility towards black men that turned deadly.
And they were all WWII veterans, law abiding, and productive....
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Even though he was running away and shot in the back.
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At the time of the shooting, when the victim was running away, there was no danger to the officer. There was absolutely no need to pull the trigger at that point, no matter what transpired seconds and minutes before.
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Despite adrenalin outbursts and the heat of the moment. Shooting someone in the back has always been considered despicable . Having said that, I would never run away from a policeman for fear that he might shoot me ........
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exactly at what point DON'T you decide to run when in fear of your own life? it's very easy for you to make this statement not having been the victim...
Such a violent culture....we must have our handguns, they make us feel so safe...we must have our 6'oclock news lead killing story, it gives us something to shake our heads at.....the guy ran, so why couldn't the cop just have his car impounded? They knew his license plate, had his address - doid they think he wouldn't want his Mercedes? Did they not know where he lived? worked? but with no guns, no blood, no story, no profits.......
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This whole situation is a travesty. This officer has no explanation for his actions. He never even yelled for the guy to stop. I'm wondering if the victim even had a broken taillight. This officer was looking for a reason and felt he had it when Mr. Scott tussled with him then ran. He wasn't expecting nobody to come out with the video. And then they all lied saying they performed CPR. Yea right. Then after he killed him, the officer keeps yelling put your hands behind your back. He's dead so this makes me think he was doing all that to make it look and sound like he did everything right.
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The first cop on scene lied about giving cpr & should be prosecuted for his report about giving cpr and all the reports that were filed with lies show the cavalier manor in which all cops lie about every detail all the time.
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A morbid thought, had the victim lived and ended up in jail, he would eventually become more damaged psychologically and economically due to our country's prison and penal system with punitive vengeance instead of rehabilitation. I read somewhere that there are 4% of inmates on death row could be innocent, or worse, rotting in prison for crimes they never committed.
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What we need to enforce is the imaginary reflection of ourselves into the supposedly dangerous suspects and determine if it's still worth pulling the trigger. Sounds silly, but so is this poor excuse of an officer.
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Enough already!!!! Disarm the police ! no longer can we stand by and watch unarmed Americans be gunned down . Maybe if the police had to engage the public as equals ie: unarmed we could stop this madness....
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One minute, you are driving along and then you get pulled over for a busted taillight. (Which isn't SC the state where you only need to have one functioning tail light?) The next minute you are being gunned down. Make no mistake: this was an act of state-sanctioned terrorism. The only reason there is a murder charge is because the video got out to the public. If there was only an eye witness (or witnesses), the D.A. wouldn't have filed them and the police would have harassed and coerced the witnesses to stay quiet.
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This is an epidemic! Why is the use of deadly force the only solution? If someone is running from you, unarmed, and is still posing a threat, the police need to REALLY look at the psychological evaluation of those they hire. Training seems to be greatly lacking that the only perceived option is to kill the taxpayer you are sworn to protect. (Our taxes pay their salaries) These folk may not be squeaky clean, however the officer was not hired to sit in judgment over their life choices. They are not judge and jury, rather, these officers are to be upholding the law, protecting and providing a safe environment for those who live within the boundaries of their communities....The community in any other circumstance should be thankful that there is an agency that they can turn to if they need help.... it is deeply disturbing that the community has no one to protect them and they need to be afraid of "the assistance" that may come. why can't a shot to the leg take the person out of "run" mode, why do they need to meet their maker, because of an ill choice. Unarmed, traffic violation...all you drivers out there should be very concerned...this could be you.
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Is this we are, where police officers mete out justice like an occupying army instead of a community based police force?
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Why did an "innocent" man run?
He was being shocked by Slager's Taser. You know, attacked.
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Because he had reason to think a cop would kill him.
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so running from a cop justifying being shot dead?
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What is amazing is the bubbas running the show, the Mayor and the Police Chief, saying how if it wasn't for the video, that they wouldn't be able to tell what happened here easily. A basic forensics test would show that the guy was running away and the cop shot him in the back, and that is totally unjustified. As far as the cop trying to plant a taser on him, welcome to police coverup tactic #1. Cops in many places will have 'throwaway' weapons, weapons they found in the course of the job, they can plant on someone and say 'they were armed.
I have a lot of respect for cops, for the good ones, but I don't respect the bad ones, and I don't respect the good ones who cover for the bad ones, people like this creep, the guy in ferguson, the cop in Staten Island, make it hard for the good cops to do their job and puts their lives in danger by these actions.
I have a lot of respect for cops, for the good ones, but I don't respect the bad ones, and I don't respect the good ones who cover for the bad ones, people like this creep, the guy in ferguson, the cop in Staten Island, make it hard for the good cops to do their job and puts their lives in danger by these actions.
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Even without the video it should have been clear that he got shot from the back and from quite a distance. Bullet wounds don't lie.
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Looking at Slager's photo, emotion is conspicuously absent. Now that he has been shown as a despicable murderer, I would love to read a brief profile of his life and career history to better understand the man and those like him.
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I am surprised a group of African Americans has not yet blown a fuse and exacted revenge on a mass scale against the police. It will be the fault of white citizens, for not doing more to remove, penalize or jail the politicians, judges and cops that form the backbone of this Gestapo so-called justice system. These murders must stop. They have nothing to do with stopping crime.
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I agree with you 100% - America has a lot to offer but it continues to show it's ugly side in light of police relations and its communities across the nation. I've traveled a great deal and have not seen this sort of injustice in Europe or elsewhere. Freedom? Liberty for all? Why have a constitution? If America can't stand by its construction then the world laughs.
The only other country that drips more with racism in my opinion is Argentina.... I was actually glad to be back in the U.S.
Not sure what America is going to do about this but the world is watching. I also find it interesting that much of this racial tension has escalated since President Obama's been in office...
The only other country that drips more with racism in my opinion is Argentina.... I was actually glad to be back in the U.S.
Not sure what America is going to do about this but the world is watching. I also find it interesting that much of this racial tension has escalated since President Obama's been in office...
How can you be a police officer on a beat and you need a stun gun and then 8 bullets to subdue an unarmed, overweight 50-year-old? And then get backup from an overweight police officer? Where's the martial arts training? Why no ongoing fitness requirements??
Rascism aside, chalk up another victim to the War on Drugs, because if you don't pull him over for a broken tail light you can't ask for his "permission" to search his car, because police have nothing more important to do.
Rascism aside, chalk up another victim to the War on Drugs, because if you don't pull him over for a broken tail light you can't ask for his "permission" to search his car, because police have nothing more important to do.
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This incident highlights what I see as a parallel between increased brutality in American police and with our military as well. I think BOTH the police and our soldiers have changed over the years, & our attitude toward use of force domestically AND internationally has subtly altered, for the worse.
I always respect our brave American soldiers for defending our freedoms and I still do, even in wars I don't agree with, but I've sensed a change in attitude over the years from the reluctant war-weary "citizen soldier" of WWII who bravely did what had to be done in a just & necessary war but took no enjoyment in killing others, to our present day-modern "American Sniper"/Abu Ghraib type macho volunteer service people who sometimes seem to take enjoyment in killing and the chickenhawk war profiteers who encourage them and start unnecessary "preemptive" "wars of choice".
I'm generalizing & I think most American service people are decent people just like most of the police, but in my opinion, America is in some ways becoming a perverse caricature of what it used to be & ought to be.
I always respect our brave American soldiers for defending our freedoms and I still do, even in wars I don't agree with, but I've sensed a change in attitude over the years from the reluctant war-weary "citizen soldier" of WWII who bravely did what had to be done in a just & necessary war but took no enjoyment in killing others, to our present day-modern "American Sniper"/Abu Ghraib type macho volunteer service people who sometimes seem to take enjoyment in killing and the chickenhawk war profiteers who encourage them and start unnecessary "preemptive" "wars of choice".
I'm generalizing & I think most American service people are decent people just like most of the police, but in my opinion, America is in some ways becoming a perverse caricature of what it used to be & ought to be.
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It's killing me to watch this man yelling put ur hands behind your back so he can handcuff this dying man with tons of bullet holes in him! Left him face down in the dirt without even checking his pulse until many many many minutes later!!! It's so sickening! It takes hate and a coward to shoot an unarmed man running away, IN THE BACK! If justice is not served in this one.... Mark my words... The people are gonna retaliate. I do believe we have all had enough of this prejudice and hatred! ROT IN PRISON SLAGER!!! I do hope the judicial system does the right thing!
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Gina, calm down, can't shoot someone in he front when they are running away from you; and stop painting every act as prejudiced when you can clearly see the cop was more lazy than anything else.
I understand there is still a big problem with the Police vs Blacks in our society and we obviously need a larger minority presence within law enforcement, especially those cities with higher Black populations.
I emphasize with law enforcement in that their own lives are more in danger than anyone else on a daily basis, but the lack of judgement and control in this situation is indefensible, even if the taser was lifted from the officer and then later dropped. It was hot blooded murder.
If there was truly a cultural movement for less poverty, crimes and familial accountability within the black community then the highly skewed criminal activity would begin to improve and the police might profile less.
Blacks and others are not born to commit crimes in poverty but taught the behavior to survive with their hopelessness and sometimes the social mores within their own community.
Hardened criminals come it all creeds and colors and not always born to poverty. There is also a small percentage of innate criminal tendencies within law enforcement, a minimal yet significant part of the human condition.
As I watched the video, I teared up and shuddered at the lack of aid given to Mr. Scott as he lay dying. Are the police required within their policies to help save a life they just tried to take?
I emphasize with law enforcement in that their own lives are more in danger than anyone else on a daily basis, but the lack of judgement and control in this situation is indefensible, even if the taser was lifted from the officer and then later dropped. It was hot blooded murder.
If there was truly a cultural movement for less poverty, crimes and familial accountability within the black community then the highly skewed criminal activity would begin to improve and the police might profile less.
Blacks and others are not born to commit crimes in poverty but taught the behavior to survive with their hopelessness and sometimes the social mores within their own community.
Hardened criminals come it all creeds and colors and not always born to poverty. There is also a small percentage of innate criminal tendencies within law enforcement, a minimal yet significant part of the human condition.
As I watched the video, I teared up and shuddered at the lack of aid given to Mr. Scott as he lay dying. Are the police required within their policies to help save a life they just tried to take?
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I don't think Slager had any confidence in his shooting skills, so he finished his clip just standing there like he was on a range. Didn't even chase Scott. Nor provide aid more than call for a kit in his(?) car. You'd thinking he was hunting. Don't they get specific training in chasing down 'runners'? Put him back on a ship tending buoys, far away from people.
Maybe there is some good in all of this, particularly in the video and the fact that most people now have a camera on their phone: all the disturbing violence African-Americans had to endure at the hands of police officers in the past that had been alleged but never proven will now look very different in the light of this.
This 'officer' is not one aberration, but the norm in the police force.
This 'officer' is not one aberration, but the norm in the police force.
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Except the video missed the prelude where Scott and Slager fought over the taser; that's an important missing piece of evidence, don't you think?
Well, guess what folks? This sickening, trigger-happy behavior is practically no surprise. What with law enforcement personnel in communities all over the country heartlessly gunning down dogs, and even cats, among other family pets for no justifiable reason other than "aggression". Sure at least a person can pull a trigger, but an animal?! Now, finally, these types of outrageous acts are being broadcast en masse for all the country to see first-hand how out of control those who are supposed to protect are!!
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Disarm the police in NYC...let's see your fantasy enacted.
For what it's worth - which might be nothing - the Charleston/North Charleston communities are taking this very seriously. An older colleague of mine said the headline of today's Post & Courier was the largest he'd ever seen - bigger than when Hurricane Hugo hit. The P&C website has the feature story on a huge blood-red banner. I didn't know this before the shooting, but apparently there have been long-standing problems with North Charleston's police force. Community members have been complaining for years and nothing's been done. The things I'm hearing are horrifying. I was told of an incident where a woman asked to see an officer's search warrant, and she was told, "That's not how we do it here in North Charleston." And another case of a black man who gets pulled over literally every two weeks by North Charleston police because he's black, and his car is searched EVERY time, despite the fact he has no criminal record. As my colleague said, it's now well past the point of calling for reform, it's an all-out emergency.
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Thanks for the local take on the news.
I feel most of this is the politicians fault. They continue to give some new sub set of idiot the permission to pack heat in public. If the country so is so shocked by this maybe it is time to stand up to the gun nuts and the NRA. like all rights the 2nd amendment is not absolute. No wonder officers over react.
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It's times like these I am so glad the British police forces do not carry firearms
as standard. We have tasers, and mace but armed units are special units and regular cops on the beat are unarmed.
US seems to be trigger happy and what you guys may see as very strong gun control and an infringement of freedoms gives us the freedom to have an extremely low chance of being shot, either by a criminal, cop or by accident.
as standard. We have tasers, and mace but armed units are special units and regular cops on the beat are unarmed.
US seems to be trigger happy and what you guys may see as very strong gun control and an infringement of freedoms gives us the freedom to have an extremely low chance of being shot, either by a criminal, cop or by accident.
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With over 300 million firearms in circulation and a rabid anti- gun control populace it is far too late to disarm police officers in my country.
Yesterday I was in a sporting goods store when a woman and her adult son were shopping for a handgun that she could carry. The woman kept insisting that the handgun be a "9" meaning a 9mm pistol. She was unable to do anything with the handgun except point it using two hands.
In my state virtually anyone can obtain a concealed weapon permit. All they have to do is pass a background check and attend a perfunctory 4 hour handgun course that often includes more pro-gun diatribes than handgun safety information.
Considering how much trouble law enforcement officers have hitting their targets after many hours of training I do not feel at all safe knowing that so many of my fellow untrained citizens are packing heat. I think that we have more to fear from them than actual criminals...
Yesterday I was in a sporting goods store when a woman and her adult son were shopping for a handgun that she could carry. The woman kept insisting that the handgun be a "9" meaning a 9mm pistol. She was unable to do anything with the handgun except point it using two hands.
In my state virtually anyone can obtain a concealed weapon permit. All they have to do is pass a background check and attend a perfunctory 4 hour handgun course that often includes more pro-gun diatribes than handgun safety information.
Considering how much trouble law enforcement officers have hitting their targets after many hours of training I do not feel at all safe knowing that so many of my fellow untrained citizens are packing heat. I think that we have more to fear from them than actual criminals...
it's not his fault. It really isn't. He only acted based on the impression he has gotten from juries, police officials and venal politicians.
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A national shame, outrage, disease and curse upon us all: white cops executing unarmed Black men.
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Are police not taught to run after the 'suspect' instead of shoot first? Are they getting lazy? The guy was unarmed, running away, so you run after him, perhaps after getting back up, bit not shoot first.......there is something lacking in their training. And reading the other cases, they always have some lame excuse for using deadly force......just to get the benefit of doubt
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Slager was a slob cop, lazy and a bad shot; other officers showed up very fast, he could have called it in. Bad cop.
Most cops are bad and go overboard their authority. This one should get a death sentence, to teach others. Four out of eight bullets of this guy went flying who-knows-where, and could hit some random person in their home!
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Perhaps the death penalty for the officer would send a strong message...just saying.
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an eye for an eye only makes the world blind...
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Would the message be never to shoot any criminal who runs away from you?
People running from police are not uncommon. 99.99% of the time it ends in a foot race and the offender escapes or is caught and no-one is injured. Let's not blame the vast majority of police officers for the acts of a few. And FWIW right now there are thousands of (active and retired) law enforcement officers watching this video (myself included) and cringing. Speaking for myself, I've been in that situation many times and it never even occurred to me to draw my gun, let alone shoot anyone. I even had a younger (faster)suspect (wanted on traffic tickets) wave to me as he ran away...that was embarrassing and I never mentioned it to anyone.
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The most developed nation in the world and a man gunned down in his own home land for being black. Something is terribly wrong with this picture . We need to fix it.
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What kind of recruitment program finds and hires men who then go out onto the streets heavily armed, cowardly, hysterical enough to shooting at a handcuffed man who is running away... and also self-protectively, elaborately, dishonest?
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Community police need to work in the community. That means out on their feet, out on the street, interacting with people and unarmed (except maybe with tasers) not sitting in cars bracketed by assault-grade weaponry. They need to watch kids crossing the street and carry groceries for the elderly and help moms with strollers and bend down to help a neighbor pick up litter. And when applicants understand these activities and this degree of servant leadership is obligatory, is, in fact, the essence of the career for the "beat cop," we will see a sharp decline in these types of horrible assaults on civilians because the people who want to shoot others will self-select out of the police profession. While there may always be a need for a small cadre of highly trained, intensely disciplined SWAT-type forces, the average Joe on the street, police or civilian, should not be armed and dangerous.
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Under your community policing scenario, how would you handle guys who evade child support orders, and fight with police and then run? Drives a 'Benz and owes support....so how do you enforce the warrants?
Thank you so much to the person who took this video, otherwise it would have just been another cover-up.
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Sickening: everything. The hatret, the planting of false evidence to lie about self-defense. And the indifference/carelessness to all policemen ("Our Finest") about a man who is bleeding to death (most probably already dead by bleeding), OMG!!!
I as a cardiologist, policemen, firefighters, we all receive regular training on CPR: these guys could not care less. Not only should Slager be put in jail but all the others should be seriously considered to be out of service. This is the least North Charleston should do... But it is too late for Mr. Scott and his family.
I as a cardiologist, policemen, firefighters, we all receive regular training on CPR: these guys could not care less. Not only should Slager be put in jail but all the others should be seriously considered to be out of service. This is the least North Charleston should do... But it is too late for Mr. Scott and his family.
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Also watch the killing of James Boyd by the Albuquerque Police on May 23, 2014. Equally chilling.
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It's hard to know just how to respond. That a clear documentation of the shooting of an unarmed man led to an indictment should be a forgone conclusion, yet it is national news. And nothing will bring back Walter Scott.
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Interestingly it seems the southern states are taking this problem more seriously than those in the north. The state trooper who shot the unarmed man in the gas station was fired and charged and now this officer.
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This makes me think of Adam Lanza. After the killing of 20 children I thought, something has to change in regards to our gun laws, but nothing did.
If police can kill with impunity then we are truly living in a totalatarian state.
If this officer is convicted of anything less than murder, not manslaughter or
assault, than we all have to fear for our lives in dealing with the police.
If you're black multiply that feeling by 100.
This cop needs to go to jail for life.
If police can kill with impunity then we are truly living in a totalatarian state.
If this officer is convicted of anything less than murder, not manslaughter or
assault, than we all have to fear for our lives in dealing with the police.
If you're black multiply that feeling by 100.
This cop needs to go to jail for life.
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This is why riots start inside countries. Only in America will this happen!!!
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If it was not for the cellphone video this would be an open and shut case of a black criminal wrestling a stun gun from an officer and getting killed in the struggle.
I am glad that the office did not notice that he was being filmed, who knows what he would have done if he had realized?
I am glad that the office did not notice that he was being filmed, who knows what he would have done if he had realized?
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the taser was clearly deployed as the wire is visible from 0:18 to 0:20.
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Thank you. You're right. It seems the taser was deployed in the moments just before the video comes on. So it's possible "he went for my taser" refers to Scott trying not to get shot! Heaven forbid we citizens should defend ourselves against police brutality.
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so why didn't it work? or did it and....?
I hope that Mr. Scott has no priors that the right wing of this country might pick up on as reasons to kill him.
Thank you NY Times for running this video.
This is a great argument for requiring all police officers to wear cameras on their uniform. There must be a way to document every arrest. Luckily, this was documented by a brave by-stander - or this would have probably been another fabricated "self-defense" case.
This is a great argument for requiring all police officers to wear cameras on their uniform. There must be a way to document every arrest. Luckily, this was documented by a brave by-stander - or this would have probably been another fabricated "self-defense" case.
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A real tragedy which was completely avoidable. Makes one wonder how often this goes on without the benefit of a video disproving the officer's claim of justification!
This man was murdered without question and I hope the "perp" suffers the full consequences of his actions. Perhaps only then will others think twice before shooting an unarmed person 8 times in the back over a traffic stop.
Truly a disgrace to the uniform!
This man was murdered without question and I hope the "perp" suffers the full consequences of his actions. Perhaps only then will others think twice before shooting an unarmed person 8 times in the back over a traffic stop.
Truly a disgrace to the uniform!
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This is one of the reasons I moved from that very corrupt city. They are very shady and domineering. North Charleston Cops treat the public as if they are attack dogs instead of guard dogs. They hurt the very people that they swear to protect. I saw it a lot when I lived down there and only ever HAD ONE encounter with a police officer who was protective and actually did his job. As it would happen- he wasn't from that area originally. Wow- that wasn't exactly a big shock! Perhaps this incident of MURDER will make these power hungry bullies start treating people like they are people!!If you do a little research, you will also see that the inhabitants of Folly Beach got REAL UPSET at the abusive ways of the North Charleston P.D. when NCPD officers were assigned to that area for a bit. It is about time that one of these corrupt, power hungry jerks got what was coming to him. NOBODY should be abusing their power in this way. IT IS ABOUT TIME!!! Now look at what all else this police force has done as well. It will not be that hard to pull it up on google.
Shouldn't the second officer at the scene be charged as an accessory after the fact? Is the officer talking to Slater in the later clip conspiring in a cover-up? If the shooting was on Saturday and Slater was only charged on Tuesday, it seems clear that any internal investigation was bogus. As an earlier commentor said, "Thank God for iPhones."
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At first, I, African American, male, similarly aged as the victim, tremble, with rage, trying to stop the tears, and then...I just go numb. This is the new lynching. The hunt is seemingly innocuous. The prey responds, not always thinking clearly. The trap is set so our reaction becomes the excuse for the pounce. Snared, life force drained, the carcass is discarded, eventually forgotten, as dust in the wind.
If this doesn't change things... I won't even finish that sentence.
It won't change a thing.
It's like our Black communities are in a perpetual war zone where minor violations provide a pretext for the utmost subjugation.
From the new debtor prisons, to stop-and-frisk, to execution style police actions escalating from petty offenses, it's maddening that outrage does not become channeled as sustained revolt in this country.
Numb to it all, we (I include myelf in this "we") continue our lives, trying to convince ourselves that nothing is happening that requires bloodshed to be shared more equitably by those who are not Black and/or heavily policed.
What will move us? And when? When we need the hashtag WhiteLivesMatter?
Surely, nothing but a revolution (however you want to define it) will change things.
By any means necessary, was never just a slogan, it's how Black folk have always had to lead our lives. It's a war out there, even, or especially, at a traffic stop.
If this doesn't change things... I won't even finish that sentence.
It won't change a thing.
It's like our Black communities are in a perpetual war zone where minor violations provide a pretext for the utmost subjugation.
From the new debtor prisons, to stop-and-frisk, to execution style police actions escalating from petty offenses, it's maddening that outrage does not become channeled as sustained revolt in this country.
Numb to it all, we (I include myelf in this "we") continue our lives, trying to convince ourselves that nothing is happening that requires bloodshed to be shared more equitably by those who are not Black and/or heavily policed.
What will move us? And when? When we need the hashtag WhiteLivesMatter?
Surely, nothing but a revolution (however you want to define it) will change things.
By any means necessary, was never just a slogan, it's how Black folk have always had to lead our lives. It's a war out there, even, or especially, at a traffic stop.
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If you attack a police officer, attempt to take his taser or his gun, you should expect that you may get killed. Simple.
Under no circumstances would I convict this cop of 1st degree murder. This victim rolled the dice when he went for the cops taser.
Manslaughter or some other lesser degree of homicide, but not murder one.
Under no circumstances would I convict this cop of 1st degree murder. This victim rolled the dice when he went for the cops taser.
Manslaughter or some other lesser degree of homicide, but not murder one.
Did you watch the video? There is no evidence the victim tried to do that. And the cop tried to plant evidence by throwing the taser next to the body.
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Even assuming you are right, which you aren't, where is the evidence that he went for the cop's taser? That's what the cop said, and we already know he lied multiple times and seems to have tried to plant evidence.
The first part of the video shows some sort of tussle and something falls to the ground which might be a taser. And yet somehow you have leaped to the conclusion that this lying cop's account of the incident was correct. All sorts of different things might have happened there. Probably no one knows but the lying cop on trial for murder. Oh, and you, of course.
The first part of the video shows some sort of tussle and something falls to the ground which might be a taser. And yet somehow you have leaped to the conclusion that this lying cop's account of the incident was correct. All sorts of different things might have happened there. Probably no one knows but the lying cop on trial for murder. Oh, and you, of course.
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Slager made NO ATTEMPT to stop Walter Scott by non-lethal methods. He was running away, therefore Slager was in no danger. Yet he shot. Deliberately. 8 times. And then had the gall to lie about the circumstances. The police are supposed to protect and serve their community, not act like cowboys. This is murder, pure and simple.
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I stood by most of the so called "police brutality" shooting because they, especially in ferguson were proper and justified. This one however isnt. This man deserves to be in jail, and I hope he gets the fullest punishment for this plain and simple murder. I just hope the lynch mob does not generalize cops because of this criminal. Theres murderers in all fields, unfortunately thats society.
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Question for a lawyer:
Are we to assume Slager's initial attorney Aylor left the case because the video emerged after he was iretained and it specifically and clearly indicated that his client and possibly the police department was lying to him? Is that the conclusion we should draw?
What are an attorney's rights and obligations in circumstances where subsequent evidence emerges that shows his client is lying?
I am wondering why Aylor chose so quickly to leave the case having initially taken it on.
Are we to assume Slager's initial attorney Aylor left the case because the video emerged after he was iretained and it specifically and clearly indicated that his client and possibly the police department was lying to him? Is that the conclusion we should draw?
What are an attorney's rights and obligations in circumstances where subsequent evidence emerges that shows his client is lying?
I am wondering why Aylor chose so quickly to leave the case having initially taken it on.
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You can't really draw any firm conclusions from Mr. Aylor's withdrawal. But South Carolina's Rules of Professional Conduct, Rule 1.2 says: "A lawyer shall not counsel a client to engage, or assist a client, in conduct that the lawyer knows is criminal or fraudulent[.]" Rule 3.3 says, "A lawyer shall not knowingly...offer evidence that the lawyer knows to be false. If a lawyer, the lawyer's client, or a witness called by the lawyer, has offered material evidence and the lawyer comes to know of its falsity, the lawyer shall take reasonable remedial measures, including, if necessary, disclosure to the tribunal. A lawyer may refuse to offer evidence, other than the testimony of a defendant in a criminal matter, that the lawyer reasonably believes is false. A lawyer who represents a client in an adjudicative proceeding and who knows that a person intends to engage, is engaging or has engaged in criminal or fraudulent conduct related to the proceeding shall take reasonable remedial measures, including, if necessary, disclosure to the tribunal."
I think we need to all understand that we are all threatened by America's police forces. You can be white as snow, rich as the 1%, driving along in your 90 thousand dollar BMW, but it if you make the wrong move at the wrong time, you can be placed in grave danger. Yes, it is more likely to happen to someone black in a high crime area, but that doesn't remove the danger.
There are many roots to this problem. One, strangely, is professionalism on the part of police and their commanders. Police officers are constantly subjected to stories about how dangerous their work is and, seeing other officers injured, they obviously want to make sure it doesn't happen to them, so they vow to use whatever force they think is necessary to protect themselves. In point of fact, police work IS NOT among the most dangerous in America, construction work and firefighting is much more risky.
While I say this not to excuse any police violence, officers are constantly exposed to the underbelly of civilized life. They take a psychological battering, daily. Over time, many lose a sense that those around them, citizens, are decent. They start to see evil everywhere.
In America, police have taken on an attitude of confrontation and assertion of control and authority. They are told they must control a situation and they will use excessive force to assert that control whenever they think they need it. If something goes wrong, there are many ways they and their fellow officers can lie and cover up.
There are many roots to this problem. One, strangely, is professionalism on the part of police and their commanders. Police officers are constantly subjected to stories about how dangerous their work is and, seeing other officers injured, they obviously want to make sure it doesn't happen to them, so they vow to use whatever force they think is necessary to protect themselves. In point of fact, police work IS NOT among the most dangerous in America, construction work and firefighting is much more risky.
While I say this not to excuse any police violence, officers are constantly exposed to the underbelly of civilized life. They take a psychological battering, daily. Over time, many lose a sense that those around them, citizens, are decent. They start to see evil everywhere.
In America, police have taken on an attitude of confrontation and assertion of control and authority. They are told they must control a situation and they will use excessive force to assert that control whenever they think they need it. If something goes wrong, there are many ways they and their fellow officers can lie and cover up.
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I am so deeply ashamed of my country.
I don't know what else to say. There is nothing else to say. I am just ashamed.
I don't know what else to say. There is nothing else to say. I am just ashamed.
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Canada had better contemplate a wall on its southern border because more and more of us are looking yearningly toward their civilized society.
I would be ashamed to show my American passport overseas these days.
I would be ashamed to show my American passport overseas these days.
Hey,
Don't be ashamed. Be better than that. Bring your contribution to improving this communitarianism that clearly doesn't work for any country.
I'm a black girl who was born and raised in France, lived in the US 3 years (Philadelphia and West Palm Beach), in Spain and now live in Canada.
I can tell you one thing from living in all those locations: I'm glad I'm not a Black man. And it's sad that I have to rejoice of not being a black male.
Mentalities take a whole country to change and become more open-minded and less racist on both ends (yes Black people, latinos, asian can all be racist).
There's got to be a occasion in everyday life where YOU can make a difference.
-The way you speak to someone and look at that people,
-considering resumes of clearly different background from yours at the workplace, -not assuming all stereotypes about a given race
-stopping your friends from making racist ignorant remarks
-saying something when you witness a racial injustice in a store, a restaurant, anywhere and any situation you can etc.
Don't be ashamed of your country, make it better!
Don't be ashamed. Be better than that. Bring your contribution to improving this communitarianism that clearly doesn't work for any country.
I'm a black girl who was born and raised in France, lived in the US 3 years (Philadelphia and West Palm Beach), in Spain and now live in Canada.
I can tell you one thing from living in all those locations: I'm glad I'm not a Black man. And it's sad that I have to rejoice of not being a black male.
Mentalities take a whole country to change and become more open-minded and less racist on both ends (yes Black people, latinos, asian can all be racist).
There's got to be a occasion in everyday life where YOU can make a difference.
-The way you speak to someone and look at that people,
-considering resumes of clearly different background from yours at the workplace, -not assuming all stereotypes about a given race
-stopping your friends from making racist ignorant remarks
-saying something when you witness a racial injustice in a store, a restaurant, anywhere and any situation you can etc.
Don't be ashamed of your country, make it better!
It is commendable to learn that North Charleston authorities are acting expediently unlike many other cities' delays and inaction.
Officer Slager has been terminated as announced at the recent press conference.
Further cameras for the police have been approved and ordered.
There is much to be answered for and addressed in the coming investigation but these are immediate actions and stand in sharp contrast with the flagrant disregard in Ferguson and other cities across the country.
I believe the action taken by the bystander who taped the killing of Walter Scott should encourage other citizens to do the same. Nothing else appears to serve as evidence in what now is a nationwide epidemic and the killing of black men.
Officer Slager has been terminated as announced at the recent press conference.
Further cameras for the police have been approved and ordered.
There is much to be answered for and addressed in the coming investigation but these are immediate actions and stand in sharp contrast with the flagrant disregard in Ferguson and other cities across the country.
I believe the action taken by the bystander who taped the killing of Walter Scott should encourage other citizens to do the same. Nothing else appears to serve as evidence in what now is a nationwide epidemic and the killing of black men.
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Another justification for body cameras on police officers. Taser International (stock symbol TASR) sold 7,000 body cameras to the Los Angeles Police Department a few months ago and some will be delivered this quarter. Their police chief says this technology is "a revolution in policing" (READ: game changer). Surveys in Mesa, AZ, Rialto, CA, and San Diego, CA confirm body cameras level the playing field by reducing both civilian complaints and use of force by police. Other large PDs using cameras include Long Beach, San Jose, Oakland and San Francisco (all in Calif.). This is a technology (cameras) that actually SAVES MONEY (their benefit/cost ratio is at least 4:1 and, in Rialto, CA, more than 8:1), but funding for them is the challenge. What is the government waiting for?
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Normally, this is where I'd say "wait till we have all the facts" and "let's not rush to judgement". But I've watched that video a half-dozen times and I can't imagine any defense for Slager. Even temporary insanity is eliminatd as he thinks to run, get something and drop it near the victim. He'll have to plead guilty and ask for mercy at sentencing, right? Right?!
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I support law enforcement 100%. As a member of a local community safety forces, I can attest to the heightened levels of stress these officers face daily. In this instance, Officer Slager should be charged with every possible crime on the books down there. In my opinion Mr. Scott was murdered with depraved injustice. Fighting with the police is never a good idea, the road side is never the place to argue constitutional rights and while his fighting with the officer escalated the situation, it is no excuse for how this turned out. We have all heard of the 'Blue Wall of Silence"; if any brother officer thinks that they should not say something in this instance, they should be charged with complicity to commit aggravated murder. Good Guys & Bad Guys, you just never know who's filming anymore. To the Scott family, i am sorry for your loss, I cannot begin to imagine the pain you must feel. To the Slager, I too am sorry for your loss; the loss of a son, father, brother, fiend and mentor. His decision to murder will impact you for the rest of your lives.
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The way his legs collapse beneath him reveals that the last bullet struck his spine. He would have been paralyzed for life had he lived. His family would have been forced to change the diaper on a 300 pound man several times a day. I guess that's why the cop took his time aiming the last bullet.
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"He went for my weapon."
"I feared for my life."
"He reached for something and I couldn't see his hands."
Another black man is dead at the hands of a white police officer after what SHOULD have been a routine traffic stop.
How is that *most* people who get stopped for a broken tail-light just get to drive home?
"I feared for my life."
"He reached for something and I couldn't see his hands."
Another black man is dead at the hands of a white police officer after what SHOULD have been a routine traffic stop.
How is that *most* people who get stopped for a broken tail-light just get to drive home?
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How is that *most* people who get stopped for a broken tail-light just get to drive home?
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Because most people who are stopped for busted tail light do not try to run away or "seize" any weapon from the officer. That is how.
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Because most people who are stopped for busted tail light do not try to run away or "seize" any weapon from the officer. That is how.
Two actions that would put a rein on police shootings of unarmed suspects:
As there is no statute of limitations for murder, all past police officer involved shootings of unarmed suspects that have resulted in injury or death should be re-opened for investigation.
Also, civil damage awards to plaintiffs/survivors of victims of police shootings should be paid out of police organization retirement funds, not out of general funds paid by the taxpayer.
The wholesale murder of unarmed, often minority suspects by police has to stop.
As there is no statute of limitations for murder, all past police officer involved shootings of unarmed suspects that have resulted in injury or death should be re-opened for investigation.
Also, civil damage awards to plaintiffs/survivors of victims of police shootings should be paid out of police organization retirement funds, not out of general funds paid by the taxpayer.
The wholesale murder of unarmed, often minority suspects by police has to stop.
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Try not running from a rabid dog intent on hurting or maiming you. I bet you can't! Even if it is your dog!
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Try not using obscene metaphors to describe a death of a fellow human being. Your attempt to justify this murder, in addition to the glaring myopia of the context of this crime ("routine" traffic stop that was less likely to affect someone like you) shames us Americans who believe in due process.
Time was when the pen was mightier than the sword. When we look back, we will see that mobile phones were more powerful than guns.
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The comments here expressing outrage are the same used for Officer Wilson of Ferguson. Remember him? At least in this case, it is unlikely anyone will have to apologize after the facts come out, ..............................not that anyone apologized to Ferguson or Wilson.
Ferguson has been since taken apart for the corrupt racist enterprise it was. and the DA that spoonfed the grandjury---he was part of it.
Fine, the officer was arrested. Now find a jury that will convict him.
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Fred, what are you saying? Are you implying that justice will not be served?
Where is Hillary or Graham.? Graham since he is quick to comment on everything these days. For it is his state. I guess Hillary has to have it poll tested before she comments. Seems like Graham cares more about the folks in a another country than he do about the folks in his state.
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What have either of those two people got to do with this tragedy? Must everything be political? Must the loss of a man's life be used to make a political comment?
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“The way he was shooting that gun, it looked like he was trying to kill a deer,” Mr. Scott said “I don’t know whether it was racial, or it was something wrong with his head.”
I would have to say both are reasonable conclusions Mr. Scott.
I would have to say both are reasonable conclusions Mr. Scott.
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Cop will claim he believed Scott was a danger to others. That's why he dropped the taser by the body. Let's see if justice can be had in S.C.
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As in past cases and in past "demands for justice", few, if any, can agree about what they mean by "justice". Killing the killer? Following all legal procedures?Start looting, shooting, burnings and riots? These things, and more, have been done recently in many places. Yet many are not satisfied that their "justice" was achieved. I do not have the answer....I am sure my definition of justice is different from yours. Or his. Or theirs.
Justice and change, like new gun control laws after child massacre in Newtown Ct. No change. The people are passive. They have been rendered helpless.
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Let's remember that a policeman killed Eric Garner on the streets of Staten Island in plain view of witnesses and a bystander video taping the entire affair. Yet, the policeman walked away free. Let's wait until we see the outcome of this latest travesty unfold before we sing any songs of joy. A judge and jury will decide the fate of this killer, video tape or not.
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This is exactly what I was going to say. They said it better.
What a great photo: a man, now handcuffed, laying face down in the dirt, as many as eight police pistol shots in his body, the policeman who shot him standing passively above him, and all this a result of having a broken rear taillight on his car. This is America, be proud, America
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"This is America"? Compared to what? Horrific, yes. Must meet justice and change, yes, but "this is America?"
Not before he casually dropped the tase next to his body.
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This sad incident is not a reflection of America. It is an incident that happened IN America. If you've ever traveled outside of the US, you'd understand that what we have here in the US is way more freedom and security than 99% of the rest of the world. Is it Perfect? No. Is it better than most of the rest of the world? Most definitely. Is there room for improvement? Yes. That's what we need to work on, not non-productive criticism.
HOPE USED TO BE OFFICER MICHAEL T. SLAGER GETS RAPPED AND BEAT IN PRISON !!!
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These cops are out of control, shooting people in the back, choking people to death, not putting your hands up and you get shot. I grew up in the 1950's I do not remember cops being this crazy. Perhaps the watch too many Rambo movies, or play too many war games.
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They feel humiliation because we lost the Afghan and Iraq wars, and ran from Libya and Yemen. Their masculinity is threatened.
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When people say that “hands up, don’t shoot” was a “manufactured story”, I just have to stare in disbelief and awe. I’m not sure whether there is a pervasive culture of ignorance, or just denial among Americans who desperately want to believe that our country progressed a lot farther than it actually has in the last 50 years. The story keeps on getting “manufactured” over and over again, in cities across the country, as if the message needs to be repeated constantly until people get the message and finally rise up in support of implementing serious restraints upon the power of police officers, up to and including ending their ability to use lethal force entirely.
At least in this case, it appears that the officer is actually going to face justice. I say “appears” because this is South Carolina (although frankly, I am no longer naive enough to believe that there is ANY part of this country where this couldn’t still happen). Hopefully he won’t get off on a technicality. But even if not, that still doesn’t undo the horribly tragedy of this incident, or of the far too many others like it across the nation, which are the direct result of unequally applied state power that has gotten way, way out of control.
At least in this case, it appears that the officer is actually going to face justice. I say “appears” because this is South Carolina (although frankly, I am no longer naive enough to believe that there is ANY part of this country where this couldn’t still happen). Hopefully he won’t get off on a technicality. But even if not, that still doesn’t undo the horribly tragedy of this incident, or of the far too many others like it across the nation, which are the direct result of unequally applied state power that has gotten way, way out of control.
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Had there been some reason, any at all that we could see in this video perhaps the cop could claim that he was defending his life, this is not however the case, A chilling sight to watch a man be gunned down and have the incident nearly covered up if not for the video, I have always held officers of the law in great esteem this is not the honorable job that I have looked up to in the past this is sickening. I can only hope that the family of the victim will take some solace in the fact that this incident should bring about some sorts of changes.
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As it stands, police routinely prevent civilians from filming the police and routinely confiscate phones that contact pictures or videos.
What are they trying to hide? Corrupt policing corrodes trust and threatens the safety of the general public and the police.
We need to have unambiguous laws giving civilians the right to film the police without threat of confiscation, intimidation or harassment. Police who break this law should bear the burden of demonstrating that the phone/camera doesn't show them breaking the law.
What are they trying to hide? Corrupt policing corrodes trust and threatens the safety of the general public and the police.
We need to have unambiguous laws giving civilians the right to film the police without threat of confiscation, intimidation or harassment. Police who break this law should bear the burden of demonstrating that the phone/camera doesn't show them breaking the law.
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The police are not allowed to stop you from filming them while doing their jobs. There are aps you can put on your phone that will allow you to record and transmit the film to your computer immediately. Additionally, you can do this while the phone is locked so the police can not delete your memory without your pass code.
Theres never a communication with the suspect running, never a warning call, a warning shot, but then the cop start talking with a dead man after handcuffing him. This is pure hunting, nothing to do with public service. Also it brings me second thoughts on what happened on Ferguson, there was conflict and dangerous situation for the officer at some point, but then he had the chance to put order, to be rational. Now looking at how a fleeing suspect is shot, you see this is pure hunting, pure senseless revenge and contempt for life.
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There is no such thing as a warning shot... Nor should there be. We don't want bullets flying all over the place warning people. There was no voiced warning, no instructions after the tazer. Does not look good for this "Peace Officer."
Why would a cop cuff someone who he shot 8 times in the back, then stand over him like he is watching a dog die. There is a God who is faithful to his people.
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Two points. 1) the intro lead to the article calls Mr Scott "apparently" unarmed, why? is there some doubt about that? 2) all the officers who signed off on the CPR etc. should be charged as accessories after the fact.
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CPR would not have helped, but they could not have known that at the time.
"Apparently" because it is apparent, i.e. clearly, obviously and observed to be unarmed. I agree on your item #2.
A minor stop. Fear as memories arise.
A man turns to run.
Struck a blow, he still runs. 8 quick shots. He isdead.
Why do I think of the Warsaw Ghetto in WWII?
A plantation in the Old South?
Film noir? "Taxi Driver"?
This is not then, none of those thens.
This, or was, a new century, I thought.
A man turns to run.
Struck a blow, he still runs. 8 quick shots. He isdead.
Why do I think of the Warsaw Ghetto in WWII?
A plantation in the Old South?
Film noir? "Taxi Driver"?
This is not then, none of those thens.
This, or was, a new century, I thought.
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Let us not forget Farpoint Station - this movie should be required reading in police academy, perhaps.
Blacks in the U.S.A.
That's right, there's no racism or discrimination here.
Blacks are not treated like people at all.
They're ducks, sitting ducks.
That's right, there's no racism or discrimination here.
Blacks are not treated like people at all.
They're ducks, sitting ducks.
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Yep that is murder.
I feel sorry for honest cops who have to work with incompetent folks like Michael T. Slager .. maybe if more would come forward when bad things like this happen and stop protecting them, we could clear our ranks.
I feel sorry for honest cops who have to work with incompetent folks like Michael T. Slager .. maybe if more would come forward when bad things like this happen and stop protecting them, we could clear our ranks.
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There is a lot of racisim within police departments throughout the country. Where are the good cops standing up to that tradition that goes back years
Would it be possible to review officer slager's past 24 hours. did he have and argument with another officer or his wife. did he feel disrespected either ont he job or off by some unrelated instance. I have two uncle who are NYPD. what happens off the job inevitably in brought onto the job. This could be the impetus behind such an unfortunate lapse in judgement.
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Good point. Let's blame his wife.
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Sadly that has nothing to do with anything! This was an inexcusable action by this man, who further compounded his distasteful action by attempting to cover it up.
There is never a good reason for cold blooded murder.
I'm still in disbelief. The man is dying, and rather than try to save him or comfort him in his last moments, they handcuff him and let him die alone. These cops showed all the humanity of Nazi prison guards.
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Not "they". One man who had just shot an unarmed, fleeing individual in the back did the handcuffing. It is not a "these cops" situation. It is one murderous man, albeit a cop, killing another defenceless man. Cruel and horrific, I wonder how many police men and women are appauled by this horror.
Not "they". One man shot this victim. He is the singular man who handcuffed him and is standing over him watching his death. Horrible. But not "they". Maybe the presence even of a partner could have held this crazy cop back and prevented this.
How does a crazy get armed and turned loose in the community in the first place?
How does a crazy get armed and turned loose in the community in the first place?
What strikes me in the video as awfully strange is that Slager opens fire on the poor man while he was running AWAY from him, and was quite a distance away before he started firing. Doesn't seem to me like Slager had any reason to feel threatened. He was just doing something he thought he'd get away with, especially after he planted some evidence next to the victim.
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True. What would have been the harm in letting him run away? He committed no crime, and definitely posed no threat. Maybe they knew he had previous arrests, but the response was...I'm at a loss...murder.
Some defense attorney will say this ex-cop can't get a fair trial because of the tape.
Some defense attorney will say this ex-cop can't get a fair trial because of the tape.
This is the second case I've seen recently where the cop has been charged for murder. To me it just reinforces that most cops are good and those that violate their position of authority and trust will be held accountable. BUT, this case doesn't justify what happened in Ferguson, MO. Rioting and looting because a young man is dead, just because you "think" you know what happened is not acceptable. Rioting and looting because the grand jury doesn't return an indictment just because you think they should is not acceptable. People need to stand up and take responsibility for their own actions, be they citizens or cops. I've said it before and I will continue to say it ALL LIVES MATTER. Stop making it about race, the more I hear screams of racism, the more I wonder why white people are the only ones ever labeled as racist. We are charged to love one another. Period.
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White people aren't the only people labeled as "racist". The rightwing media have labeled Obama racist for years and other blacks as racist as well. They don't ever have any compunction about this labeling so maybe you're watching the wrong news.
To answer your question..." Stop making it about race, the more I hear screams of racism, the more I wonder why white people are the only ones ever labeled as racist. We are charged to love one another. Period"... You should really review history. To start with say the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, research, read what type of treatment Blacks received during this time frame. If you are so inclined to... research Races relations of this country. I think you will find your answer... Racism is alive and well.
No one is saying that this case doesn't justify what happened in Ferguson. Why don't you talk about the people who protested peacefully? You're only speaking about the few that rioted and looted and it's not fair. That case has nothing to do with this case. And leave it that way. All lives do matter but Black men are under assault in this country and if you don't agree with that then you're living in a fantasy world, afforded to you by the privilege you have in society. We should love one another so why are people still racist? I wonder about people that speak out against that talk about racism more than go after the racists. Why? I have a sneaking suspicion.
In our subcontinent abuse of power by police is very common .It is very sad to see the same attitude by the police even in a so called civilized country .
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This is so ridiculously sad. My condolences go out to this man's family and friends. How sad it is to be dead after a traffic stop? Only in America will a Black man lose his life over something like this. Never in your life will you see a cop shoot down a White man like this. Never! It just doesn't happen. A Black man to these people is like target practice. And once the killing is over, the public always gets the customary line that they were in fear for their life, blah, blah, blah. But, thank goodness this murder was filmed. And thank goodness that we actually get to see the dirty cop planting the taser next to the victims body, which is their customary practice to corroberate their dirty lies. This goes on everyday in urban America, so this is nothing new. But with cell phones and videotape, citizens can arm themselves against these dirty cops. Their days of target practice are coming to an end one way or another . . .
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Actually, in iraq people die in horrific ways every day. In fact, you don't have to look very hard or very far for much larger scale atrocity - often perpetuated or funded by americans. This was an isolated murder. Let's not lose sight of greater injustices.
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While I am as horrified as anyone else about this tragedy, the fact remains that in a society in which citizens are armed to the teeth and at the ready to draw their weapons, cops are going to draw theirs, too.
It's time to get serious about gun control, despite the braying of the right wing. I thought the murder of a large group of first graders might do it, but apparently, it will take more than that. Maybe this is it.
It's time to get serious about gun control, despite the braying of the right wing. I thought the murder of a large group of first graders might do it, but apparently, it will take more than that. Maybe this is it.
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Running away from the cop.....what do citizens armed to the teeth have to do with this???
You might as well write it's time to make all black people white!
Deadly force should be a last resort, not a replacement for being out of shape or a tool of "disregardant" racism, or an anger release.
What its time for, absolutely, is for all good cops to start pointing out these shoot happy types on their forces. Zero tolerance!.
The matter-of-fact behavior of this officer is disgusting and horrifying!
You might as well write it's time to make all black people white!
Deadly force should be a last resort, not a replacement for being out of shape or a tool of "disregardant" racism, or an anger release.
What its time for, absolutely, is for all good cops to start pointing out these shoot happy types on their forces. Zero tolerance!.
The matter-of-fact behavior of this officer is disgusting and horrifying!
Citizens are not armed to the teeth.
Don't wrestle for a cops gun and you wont get shot.
It really is that simple.
If you outlaw guns the United States will become Chicago - nobody gets shot there right?
Don't wrestle for a cops gun and you wont get shot.
It really is that simple.
If you outlaw guns the United States will become Chicago - nobody gets shot there right?
Are off on a different planet? This has NOTHING to do with gun control. There is NO gun involved anywhere, except in the cop's hand and the victim has been running for 2 seconds before he gets shot in the BACK!
Do you have no shame pushing your own personal agenda over a murdered man?
Do you have no shame pushing your own personal agenda over a murdered man?
An episode that is repeated continuously throughout our country. Trigger-happy police, citizen abuse, beatings, false arrests, and harassment. I've followed the hand-ringing, the protests, the official inquires, the lip service to change. But nothing changes. This latest shooting happened following an incredible national uproar and dialogue that involved the entire country. Did this police officer not get the memo?: DO NOT SHOOT UNARMED CITIZENS! P.S. ESPECIALLY IN THE BACK. There is one solution that may change this behavior. Currently, police act the way they do, because, simply put, they can. Seriously. There is little to no oversight, and even when found to have violated "normal procedures" the consequences are a joke. The police unions have negotiated into their contracts a Teflon shield that makes meaningful oversight, and consequences almost nonexistent. Officers know that the odds of being held accountable for their actions is minuscule, and even when their is evidence of bad behavior, the contractually negotiated consequences are a slap-on-the-wrist, and a return to the streets for further citizen abuse. This aspect needs to be changed. Unions will fight against the change, but through hard bargaining it can be done.
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This video and event is sickening, and this probably happens more often than I can imagine. I could never serve on a jury trial for this officer, because there’s no question in my mind that he’s guilty of murder.
Ugly as it is, I’m trying to get inside of the officer’s mind just as he was popping off eight rounds in the fleeing suspect’s back. Some points to consider:
If the suspect gets away, the bean counters in central station would question how a suspect got away, and how much it will cost to recover him. The initial apprehension of the suspect was probably recorded. Is “little big” data in Charleston going to add this piece of information to the officers dossier?
This is a big suspect and an average sized officer. Hand to hand (man to man) I think the officer would face a high risk of injury. But, hey, little big data demands the officer to control the suspect.
I suspect there is a culture in this department that has dehumanized a segment of the population. What kind of peer pressure would this officer face?
Shooting the suspect dead was probably the path of least resistance for this white cop, and that is sick, frightening and terribly tragic. I'm probably being too generous to the officer, and I hope they don't allow him an easy out like suicide.
Ugly as it is, I’m trying to get inside of the officer’s mind just as he was popping off eight rounds in the fleeing suspect’s back. Some points to consider:
If the suspect gets away, the bean counters in central station would question how a suspect got away, and how much it will cost to recover him. The initial apprehension of the suspect was probably recorded. Is “little big” data in Charleston going to add this piece of information to the officers dossier?
This is a big suspect and an average sized officer. Hand to hand (man to man) I think the officer would face a high risk of injury. But, hey, little big data demands the officer to control the suspect.
I suspect there is a culture in this department that has dehumanized a segment of the population. What kind of peer pressure would this officer face?
Shooting the suspect dead was probably the path of least resistance for this white cop, and that is sick, frightening and terribly tragic. I'm probably being too generous to the officer, and I hope they don't allow him an easy out like suicide.
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this was over a TRAFFIC VIOLATION. Even if the guy gets away, they know who he is and can fine him. To shoot him for nothing, is HOMICIDE.
I think this situation could have and should have been very different. My biggest question with all the latest shootings involving police is why don't people listen to the police and follow directions? "Stop" "Don't move" "Stay in your car" " Stop, or I'll shoot" "Get on the ground" "Hands up"... These are commands, they are to keep everyone safe. If you don't want the chance of being shot by the cops don't do anything wrong. Don't run, don't fight, follow commands and directions. I think anyone who runs or fights the police should be shot... Stop being stupid!!!
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Isn't it equally stupid to not use the license plate to find the suspect. Unlike in the comics not every criminal that gets away will end up killing your uncle later in the day.
Did you hear the officer say anything before shooting? Sorry, even with a verbal warning, the officer has to be in direct danger. If he were running toward a gun they both knew was there, that may have been justified. It is obvious that the guy was just trying to get away. There is no justification for the shooting, and I hope an impartial jury comes to a reasonable and responsible verdict. Only THEN should the officer be raped in jail.
"I think anyone who runs or fights the police should be shot.."
Seriously? That's your view. Capital punishment for running away. By the way, thinking somebody might murder you is usually considered a good reason to run away.
Seriously? That's your view. Capital punishment for running away. By the way, thinking somebody might murder you is usually considered a good reason to run away.
Horrifying to think what would have happened, had it not been filmed.
#cellphonejustice
#cellphonejustice
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The ubiquitous video has become the eyes of God.
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Wow. Over 3000 comments in the little while this piece has been posted.
My own take is that this appears to be a situation where a man with a gun, forget for a moment that he's a policeman, simply lost it: words likely were exchanged, and he simply lost it. But, given the video, I'd be looking into his record for other incidents when he may have used lethal force and there WASN'T a bystander with a phone-camera handy.
As to the fact that he WAS a policeman, that's quite frightening. Clearly, given the indictment, it's no longer an issue with him; but perhaps some mechanism needs to be found to force an analysis of the records of every cop in the country for similar tendencies, based on patterns discernible in prior records.
My own take is that this appears to be a situation where a man with a gun, forget for a moment that he's a policeman, simply lost it: words likely were exchanged, and he simply lost it. But, given the video, I'd be looking into his record for other incidents when he may have used lethal force and there WASN'T a bystander with a phone-camera handy.
As to the fact that he WAS a policeman, that's quite frightening. Clearly, given the indictment, it's no longer an issue with him; but perhaps some mechanism needs to be found to force an analysis of the records of every cop in the country for similar tendencies, based on patterns discernible in prior records.
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Does anyone for a second think this would have happened if Mr Scott was not a black man? Does anyone any more, think this is an isolated incident? Or just one rogue cop gone bad?
We have a systemic problem here in America-- guns, racism and a whole lot of intolerance. The airwaves are filled with hatespeak and it is trickling down everywhere. Is the US exceptional as our Republican friends keep repeating over and over? Yes-- but not in a good way. We are getting uglier and more hateful by the minute. I am ashamed.
We have a systemic problem here in America-- guns, racism and a whole lot of intolerance. The airwaves are filled with hatespeak and it is trickling down everywhere. Is the US exceptional as our Republican friends keep repeating over and over? Yes-- but not in a good way. We are getting uglier and more hateful by the minute. I am ashamed.
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I can definitely see this happening if Mr. Scott was white. The fact that a black police officer was standing right there when Mr. Slager moved the stun gun shows us that this goes beyond white vs. black. Now would a white man in a Mercedes have been stopped initially? Perhaps not. Or at least far less likely.
But to be clear I am sure this is more likely with a black man.
But to be clear I am sure this is more likely with a black man.
Actually, I think this could have happened to other ethnicity's. Even caucasians. And it does happen.
We are an exceptionally evil country.
"The time to have a national debate about police militarization, tactics and gun violence in general is NOT in the immediate aftermath of shooting like this"
Funnily enough, it never seems to be "the time" to have this debate. Each of these "incidents" further erodes trust in the police. The 90% of police that do excellent jobs are tarnished by these disgusting, inhumane, trigger-happy bullies. We have cold, uncompromising evidence of an attempted cover-up, which immediately calls into question how reliable earlier judgements were.
Now is the time for the debate.
Funnily enough, it never seems to be "the time" to have this debate. Each of these "incidents" further erodes trust in the police. The 90% of police that do excellent jobs are tarnished by these disgusting, inhumane, trigger-happy bullies. We have cold, uncompromising evidence of an attempted cover-up, which immediately calls into question how reliable earlier judgements were.
Now is the time for the debate.
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I am, unfortunately, a racist, in the sense that, due to evolution, I have an innate psychology tension towards other animal out-groups that are different in appearance from those most like me. I believe, based on scientific evidence, that everybody is similarly racist. So likely this cop is, and the man he killed was. What I don't think is likely is that the cop killed the man merely because of this common innate racism; it was, perhaps, only a very small, nearly negligible, contributing factor in why the cop did what he did.
So we shouldn't think of the cop as having committed a hate crime. He simply murdered a man - that is obvious - and should be charged accordingly. The cop was not in danger and had no justification for using lethal force. Whether he psychologically knew this at the moment he drew his gun and fired is irrelevant. Possibly he felt at the moment that he had justification for using lethal force. But my feeling that I am wealthy does not make me wealthy. He committed unjustified murder.
R.I.P. Walter L. Scott.
So we shouldn't think of the cop as having committed a hate crime. He simply murdered a man - that is obvious - and should be charged accordingly. The cop was not in danger and had no justification for using lethal force. Whether he psychologically knew this at the moment he drew his gun and fired is irrelevant. Possibly he felt at the moment that he had justification for using lethal force. But my feeling that I am wealthy does not make me wealthy. He committed unjustified murder.
R.I.P. Walter L. Scott.
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But the fact that he placed a gun at the man's side….. what is the explanation?
"This man was vigorously running away from me. I had no choice but to shoot him 8 times in the back."
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#cellphonejustice
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The fact that police departments don't have to report firearm use, never mind fatalities, is a massive black hole. How can this be? Is it part of the Jim Crow era? Or just business as usual in NRA-run America? I've not heard a whimper of changing this.
The Feds need to hold every police department in America to account for each shooting and each firearm discharge.
The Feds need to hold every police department in America to account for each shooting and each firearm discharge.
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My husband, who is black, and I live in a rural community that is no more than 2% black. He was questioned by two sheriff's officers, in two squad cars, while standing outside our car dealership waiting for a ride home. He doesn't like to contemplate the racism behind this act but I do.
It is sick, and it makes me fearful for our children, our communities and our country.
The fact that this officer and the other one gave zero first aid to poor Mr. Scott is almost worse and shows their conscious disregard for (black) human life.
It is sick, and it makes me fearful for our children, our communities and our country.
The fact that this officer and the other one gave zero first aid to poor Mr. Scott is almost worse and shows their conscious disregard for (black) human life.
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Why do cops shoot to kill? Why are they trained and told to do so? If they have to they can shoot at someone's legs or feet.
There must be something seriously wrong in their physical, mental, and cultural training.
There must be something seriously wrong in their physical, mental, and cultural training.
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That's ridiculous. You really want cops shooting at people MORE OFTEN - especially when they don't want to kill them? They miss and hit bystanders and property enough when they're aiming center mass. They need to know the difference between when to shoot and when not to, because anytime a bullet leaves a gun it's potentially life ending.
Just search through all the recent news reports of white people wielding weapons, including guns, that don't end in them getting shot by cops. The cops seem to know when not to use deadly force in those situations.
Just search through all the recent news reports of white people wielding weapons, including guns, that don't end in them getting shot by cops. The cops seem to know when not to use deadly force in those situations.
Guns are deadly weapons. They are for killing. You generally use it for that purpose only, since using it to "wing" the guy is just as likely to kill him. If we did what you suggest, the reply would always be: "Well, you told me I could shoot to injure him, and that would be okay -- not murder -- but, guess what, I missed! He's dead!" An accident.
See? Shooting not to kill doesn't work from that standpoint, it also doesn't work on other levels if you care to think about this rigorously.
See? Shooting not to kill doesn't work from that standpoint, it also doesn't work on other levels if you care to think about this rigorously.
Its about time! The idea that his police officer believed he could create evidence to cover up what is clearly a murder is clear evidence of how out of control the police are in SC and elsewhere. I am glad this was video taped otherwise this officer would be getting off completely.
My sympathies to Mr. Scott's family.
My sympathies to Mr. Scott's family.
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Cold blooded murder. Plain and simple. End of story.
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A Black man stopped in a Mercedes for a "broken taillight". What a way for officers to legitimize racial profiling.
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WOW! Did the young man deserve to die over a broken tail light lense?
It's not just a race thing, it's cops imposing their will on citizens to any degree they deem appropriate. In this case that cop was unknowingly video taped, and his very cunning cover up lies were proven wrong with out any shadow of doubt.
It's not just a race thing, it's cops imposing their will on citizens to any degree they deem appropriate. In this case that cop was unknowingly video taped, and his very cunning cover up lies were proven wrong with out any shadow of doubt.
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Yeah, except it is a race thing. White people in Mercedes don't get pulled over in the first place.
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The police are public servants. They work for us. If the we, the public, ignore the murder of fellow citizens and bury our heads in the sand, we're equally culpable.
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Police officers do not consider themselves your servants. They consider themselves your bosses, and if you try to argue either them you risk incarceration or death.
I was shocked and saddened when I picked up the NY Times this morning and saw the front page. Moreover, I felt embarrassment for our country, which I love, but not blindly. I can't help but wonder how many documented events like this take place for every undocumented event?
It also makes me think about gun control, too. If the police can't be trusted with guns, how can ordinary citizens?
One piece of this video concerns me that is not mentioned. The black police officer is standing right there when Mr. Slager moves and drops the stun gun next to Mr. Scott's body. And then the police go public with the stolen stun gun story. Mr. Slager seems totally unconcerned that he is moving evidence at the scene of a shooting right in front of a black officer. This causes me to question whether these types of events go beyond simple white vs. black racism but institutional racism and a general disregard for the value of a human life.
It also makes me think about gun control, too. If the police can't be trusted with guns, how can ordinary citizens?
One piece of this video concerns me that is not mentioned. The black police officer is standing right there when Mr. Slager moves and drops the stun gun next to Mr. Scott's body. And then the police go public with the stolen stun gun story. Mr. Slager seems totally unconcerned that he is moving evidence at the scene of a shooting right in front of a black officer. This causes me to question whether these types of events go beyond simple white vs. black racism but institutional racism and a general disregard for the value of a human life.
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We are
Born like this
Into this
Into these carefully mad wars
Into the sight of broken factory windows of emptiness
Into bars where people no longer speak to each other
Into fist fights that end as shootings and knifings
Born into this
Into hospitals which are so expensive that it’s cheaper to die
Into lawyers who charge so much it’s cheaper to plead guilty
Into a country where the jails are full and the madhouses closed
Into a place where the masses elevate fools into rich heroes"
— Charles Bukowski
Born like this
Into this
Into these carefully mad wars
Into the sight of broken factory windows of emptiness
Into bars where people no longer speak to each other
Into fist fights that end as shootings and knifings
Born into this
Into hospitals which are so expensive that it’s cheaper to die
Into lawyers who charge so much it’s cheaper to plead guilty
Into a country where the jails are full and the madhouses closed
Into a place where the masses elevate fools into rich heroes"
— Charles Bukowski
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Thank you
Again, why can't cops use stun guns? Why does anyone need a gun that kills? I can't think of a situation where killing someone is desirable. If he is human, this policeman will certainly take his thoughtless act to his own grave
Again, why must people make comments when they haven't even read the article (he was stunned by the stun gun, but it did not work. There are several reasons that this can happen, but regardless why, he was stunned, and he ran away."
It's tragic but simple: Mr. Scott apparently resisted Officer Slager. Officer Slager took out his stun gun. There was a scuffle. Then Mr. Scott ran away fearing that the stun gun was gonna hurt, or maybe his late child support was looming heavy in his mind and he didn't want to be arrested.
"How dare this lowly black man run away from me like that. I'm gonna show him."
The officer took out his gun and showed him.
"How dare this lowly black man run away from me like that. I'm gonna show him."
The officer took out his gun and showed him.
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Sorry. No sympathy here for the dead one. You scuffle with a cop a try to take a weapon from him, you should expect that you may get killed. Trying to take a cop's weapon is, essentially, attempted murder, and cops should be entitled to consider it such. Someone who attempts to take the life of another can expect they he may be killed.
That does not excuse the cop shooting him in the back, but it wipes out my sympathy for the fool of a victim. The cop should charged with manslaughter since there was no premeditation -- he was wound up by the attack of this guy and shot him directly in connection with assault by the victim.
That does not excuse the cop shooting him in the back, but it wipes out my sympathy for the fool of a victim. The cop should charged with manslaughter since there was no premeditation -- he was wound up by the attack of this guy and shot him directly in connection with assault by the victim.
What about the officer's apparent rearranging the crime scene (the stun gun) to fit his narrative? Do you think he should be charged for that also?
Police who do these type of shootings (hopefully a very small percent) will now be more cognizant of checking to see if anyone is filming
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Do you really understand what has been going on for 400 years?
Way older than photography and video. If Geo. Bush can be mad
enough to invade two countries because of what happened on
ONE day, how justified is my anger after centuries?
Way older than photography and video. If Geo. Bush can be mad
enough to invade two countries because of what happened on
ONE day, how justified is my anger after centuries?
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Who are these people being hired by police departments these days? And what effect are gun rights advocates and the NRA having on our society? This doesn't give credence to the "good guy with a gun" theory, does it?
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It seems fear of the "angry" black man continues to exist - one could say resides in the very DNA of some southern & northern whites. That fear has been the basis for centuries of laws enacted based on the feared retribution of "angry" blacks. NOTHING will change until all recognize that racism continues to exists (thrive?) and call out the apologists for hanging on to racist practices. That a policeman can shoot a black man 8 times then run to handcuff him before he does what…? Then to stand over the man as he lays dying seems so….business as usual. What a monster!
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Let's see, now. . .
The officer's radio transmissions and official report are not sustained by the video of the incident.
Surprise, surprise.
The officer's radio transmissions and official report are not sustained by the video of the incident.
Surprise, surprise.
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Lest anyone think this cop will be found guilty of anything by a jury of his peers in SC, read the local comments sections by the fine paler citizens of Charleston and SC. They will probably give him a medal. All it will take is just one bigot for him to walk, he knows it.
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There are two sides to this story. And where is the rage qwhen this kind of murder occurs? LAstly, the problem runs deep and requires leadership which we no longer get from Washington. Read on: http://articles.philly.com/2015-03-22/news/60373423_1_overbrook-high-rob...
What does the story you posted have to do with the Slager/Scott case? How are they at all similar.
Yes, we heard his side of the story. It was a bunch of lies. We will never hear Mr. Scott's side of the story. He's dead. That leaves us with the video and our own individual common sense and moral compasses. The law says that it is illegal for a police officer to use deadly force unless his or someone else's life is in danger. Police are not allowed to shoot unarmed, fleeing suspects in the back. There are actually three sides to this story, the third being the law. So we have the law, a dead man, and an officer who staged a scene, then lied on his radio and on his report. I know some people side with the police officer all the time, but really, anyone who supports this murder must be morally bankrupt.
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This murder was just that and the man who committed it should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. My objection to the story lies in the headline. This is not a white cop problem. And yes, the story in Philly is similar. Another man taking the life of another unarmed and innocent man. What I want to see is our leadership - which I submit is anyone with the power to lead our poorest communities out of the trap of hopelessness - to talk about and at least try to do that. But they stand idly by, say little and do less. Shame on them.
From today's Washington Post, a useful addition:
Slager was initially represented by David Aylor, a local attorney, who in a statement provided to local media soon after the shooting said: “I believe once the community hears all the facts of this shooting, they’ll have a better understanding of the circumstances surrounding this investigation.”
Indeed. But not the way Slager, his ex-client, the local PD, or, most likely the local prosecutors ever imagined. The fact that the family sent the video to the Times, instead of local law enforcement, speaks volumes about local law enforcement, none of it goid.
Slager was initially represented by David Aylor, a local attorney, who in a statement provided to local media soon after the shooting said: “I believe once the community hears all the facts of this shooting, they’ll have a better understanding of the circumstances surrounding this investigation.”
Indeed. But not the way Slager, his ex-client, the local PD, or, most likely the local prosecutors ever imagined. The fact that the family sent the video to the Times, instead of local law enforcement, speaks volumes about local law enforcement, none of it goid.
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South Carolina: Looks like murder, bring charges
Ferguson: Looks like self defense, don't bring charges.
See, isn't that easy?
Ferguson: Looks like self defense, don't bring charges.
See, isn't that easy?
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Is not that easy. Try this way:
SC: There was a camera filming everything. Policeman is charged with murder.
Ferguson: There was not camera. Policeman says: Self defense (the same argument initially used by Officer Slager in South Carolina).
Not camera = Black man is dead. Policeman walks away free.
SC: There was a camera filming everything. Policeman is charged with murder.
Ferguson: There was not camera. Policeman says: Self defense (the same argument initially used by Officer Slager in South Carolina).
Not camera = Black man is dead. Policeman walks away free.
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Easy? Not too sure about that. Before the video came out, everything was heading in the same direction as in Ferguson.
I have many friends in the San Francisco Public Defenders off. Unfortunately, the lies contained in the officer's police report do not surprise me. They regularly tell me stories of police officers fabricating evidence to justify their arrest, those fabrications being placed in official police reports, the PD getting the officer to admit ON THE STAND to the lie, and the judge doing nothing but throwing the case out. No perjury charges, no investigation of the deeper problem, just move on to the next case. Judges and prosecutors need to get serious about perjury by police or these problems will fester.
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My God...
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Has anyone noticed how they are always yelling "stop fighting" or "drop the gun" AFTER they know they have killed somebody? These thugs in uniform are failed high school jocks, bullies, and worse. They do not have the nerve to become criminals, so the next best step is to join a legal murdering institution. They come out every day looking for their next victim.
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If the cop had seen the photographer, the photographer would have been arrested and the evidence destroyed. http://rt.com/usa/texas-faces-years-recording-692/
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Officer Slager kills an unarmed man whose only crime apparently was not paying child support. A NY man is choked to death for illegally selling cigarettes. A hysterically out of control undercover cop in NYC verbally punishes and threatens a driver who honks at him. Can you imagine what would have happened if he had tried to flee. Terrifying. These were not felonies or serious crimes.
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It doesn't justify shooting the suspect in this instance, but failing to pay child support IS a serious crime.
Seems like the moral to all of this is: don't resist arrest, don't try to take a cop's taser, don't try to take a cop's gun.
Pretty simple rules for survival that these numbskulls did not abide.
Pretty simple rules for survival that these numbskulls did not abide.
Here's the most frightening thing. I imagine the person who filmed the event is absolutely terrified to reveal his or her name.
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Again, this video is just a glimpse into the reality of our police force. Without the video, we undoubtedly know the police would have gotten away with yet another murder.
May all those who have been murdered unjustly by the police rest in peace.
May all those who have been murdered unjustly by the police rest in peace.
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Life is sacred. No one deserves to die just because of laziness , lack of respect for the life they lead of the color of their skin. It is a travesty, a massive failure of America's juris prudence over the frequency of African American males being shot and killed over minor offences. It is time for leadership to be held responsible as well as the individual officer.
How quickly major issues pass us by. Now, a bit before noon EST, this article with its dramatic video has moved from its early center NYT focus to the side. Now we focus on disadvantaged students attending $65,000+ Ivy colleges. (A more pleasant contrast.) Will this police execution/killing be forgotten by tomorrow?
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Shot in the back. Died in handcuffs. Not a good time to be Black in America.
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@The Big Fat Hen: "Not a good time to be Black in America". Not a good time to be any person at all in America (unless you're the 1% and even then rich black men have to submit to constant stops - like Chris Rock, stopped three times in a few months). I don't know how black people stand the stress. I really don't. If I was a parent of a young black man? I'd be scared to death every time he left the house.
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It's about time South Carolina got something right vis-a-vis racial issues.
Now we wait with baited breath to see what the jury will do.
Now we wait with baited breath to see what the jury will do.
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The police have a gun to protect themselves, not to punish someone they're angry at.
There is no possible threat to the policeman or anyone else by someone running away from him.
I know a retired policeman. He said that in ALL cases of a policeman shooting someone, the statement is this: "I saw something that looked like a weapon in his hand, and I was afraid for my own life."
So, if a policeman shoots you as you get your registration out of the glove compartment, he'll say you were searching for a gun.
If a policeman shoots you and you are holding a knife in your hand at the time, he's covered.
If a policeman shoots you and you have nothing in your hand, but are wearing a coat, he can say he thought he saw a weapon bulge under the coat.
See how it works? ANY excuse to shoot you is plausible deniability because the police can create it to suit the situation.
Once at 11pm I was driving the speed limit in Aptos, CA.
I have a 35 year spotless driving record. A rookie sherriff deputy pulled me over and I got my registration.
He saw a 4" black plastic tire pressure gauge in the glovebox "Is that a weapon!!?" His stupidity, inexperience and fear annoyed me.
He never said why he pulled me over so I dared to ask him.
"You changed lanes rapidly. One of your license plate illuminator lights is dim."
Give me CHP every time: they're not wasting time or fooling around.
There is no possible threat to the policeman or anyone else by someone running away from him.
I know a retired policeman. He said that in ALL cases of a policeman shooting someone, the statement is this: "I saw something that looked like a weapon in his hand, and I was afraid for my own life."
So, if a policeman shoots you as you get your registration out of the glove compartment, he'll say you were searching for a gun.
If a policeman shoots you and you are holding a knife in your hand at the time, he's covered.
If a policeman shoots you and you have nothing in your hand, but are wearing a coat, he can say he thought he saw a weapon bulge under the coat.
See how it works? ANY excuse to shoot you is plausible deniability because the police can create it to suit the situation.
Once at 11pm I was driving the speed limit in Aptos, CA.
I have a 35 year spotless driving record. A rookie sherriff deputy pulled me over and I got my registration.
He saw a 4" black plastic tire pressure gauge in the glovebox "Is that a weapon!!?" His stupidity, inexperience and fear annoyed me.
He never said why he pulled me over so I dared to ask him.
"You changed lanes rapidly. One of your license plate illuminator lights is dim."
Give me CHP every time: they're not wasting time or fooling around.
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I believe if a police officer is afraid for his own life he/she needs to find another line of work. Nothing justifies an illegal shooting - NOTHING. Not even fearing for your own personal safety. Being in danger is part of the job. "I thought he had a gun in his waistband," is not an excuse for a police officer for shooting someone. But they use it all the time. IT HAS TO END. The citizens of our country deserve better.
This is OUTRAGEOUS! How could such brutality occur at the hands of our so-called public defenders? Officer Slager shot Mr. Scott like he was a rabid dog. Absolutely outrageous! And then to keep the dying man handcuffed face down while he dies? What is going on in this country?
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@Patrick: "What is going on in this country?" Fear, hatred and injustice....that's what's going on in America. So sad. It breaks my heart. Since Bush the Second, it's been about fear, hatred and injustice.
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Nothing new is going on. It's just being filmed now, so in many cases the cops get caught lying.
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Terrible story. Never should have happened.
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Mr. Eric Holder should take responsibility and flat-out resign.
I am not a big fan of Holder, but why should the soon-to-be-former Attorney General of the US resign because a local city cop in South Carolina apparently murdered someone? How is the AG responsible for this?
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Why?
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What happened to the other 3 bullets? Besides the stupidity of shooting an unarmed man for a traffic stop, slager is shooting in a developed area.
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This sure looks like a gross overreaction and charges seem to be warranted. However, almost all of these incidents involve someone running from a cop. Perhaps DiBlasio might want to counsel his son not to run.
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I believe he did precisely that, if you paid attention. (Why are all these racists who never read this paper writing in?)
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Really, how about don't shoot unarmed men in the back? But to you and other "Conservatives" black lives do not matter. You are defending a murderer!
We do not live in a police state where we must do precisely what a police officer tells us to do or else face execution. It may not be the smartest move to run from the police, but it is not an offense for which execution is the penalty. To those of you who state that if Mr. Scott had only not run, it is shameful to blame the victim. Officer Slager shot Mr. Scott 8 times in the back. He was in no danger, and it would have been a simple matter to find Mr Scott if he was to be arrested, although it's stated that the stop was initiated by a broken tail light, which isn't even a criminal offense. (Most traffic citations are civil offenses).
And while it was stated that Mr. Scott owes back child support, does that mean he an be gunned down? It doesn't matter how long the criminal record, or if there is one. Mr. Scott was murdered in cold blood by an officer who thought he could get away with it.
And, if I were taking this video, I would be praying like mad that the police hadn't seen me.
And while it was stated that Mr. Scott owes back child support, does that mean he an be gunned down? It doesn't matter how long the criminal record, or if there is one. Mr. Scott was murdered in cold blood by an officer who thought he could get away with it.
And, if I were taking this video, I would be praying like mad that the police hadn't seen me.
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Ahem, he did not just run -- he first tried to take the taser. If you try to take a cop's weapon, that is a deadly confrontation, and you'd better realize that you may die. The cop will not, under any circumstances, let you get his weapon, and he is entitled to kill you to prevent you from taking the weapon.
Now, this case was not so simple, but your post would suggest that it was the running that caused this, and not the attack on the cop.
Now, this case was not so simple, but your post would suggest that it was the running that caused this, and not the attack on the cop.
As a police officer your job is to tackle the man and apprehend the suspect while simultaneously trying to avoid injury to the suspect and yourself. Deadly force should only ever be used as a last resort. It should never be the first choice. If you can't deal with those constraints then you need to get the hell out of law enforcement. Wearing a badge does not give you a license to commit murder. Someone running away from you is not grounds for using deadly force. Just because a person does not obey your orders does not mean you can kill him/her.
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Don't run from cops, and don't grab their weapons. Is that so hard?
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Really, how about don't shoot unarmed people in the back after you have tased them? Don't plant evidence and taint a crime scene? So you believe that this man deserved to die for running from an officer. God bless America!
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You have no clue, do you?
The only evidence in this article to back up your assertion that he grabbed for the officer's weapon is that their was a scuffle and the taser - not the officer's gun - was knocked to the ground. But even if he had, at the time that the officer shot and killed him, he was no threat to the officer and there is scant evidence that he was a significant threat to others.
Being stupid - ie, running from the the cops - is not only not a good enough reason to be shot and killed by a cop, it is no reason at all.
Being stupid - ie, running from the the cops - is not only not a good enough reason to be shot and killed by a cop, it is no reason at all.
Wow - just wow... I have no words for this.
I try to be a level headed person and form an opinion based on facts. And I'll admit that I have not thought that EVERY police officer in the recent news stories about police brutality was guilty, but this is just shocking.
The man should not have ran, but that certainly does not justify him being shot in the back REPEATED times, with no attempts made to save his life.
I hope this officer gets the death penalty. Police officers are there to help our community and keep us safe, not scare us.
I try to be a level headed person and form an opinion based on facts. And I'll admit that I have not thought that EVERY police officer in the recent news stories about police brutality was guilty, but this is just shocking.
The man should not have ran, but that certainly does not justify him being shot in the back REPEATED times, with no attempts made to save his life.
I hope this officer gets the death penalty. Police officers are there to help our community and keep us safe, not scare us.
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To the victim's family I send my thoughts and strong prayers. This family is handling this the right way regardless of the circumstances. The video looks very very damaging to the officer. In the south.....you would think all of us would learn by now!!!!! Obey the Law. But the Law Enforcement need to get rid of this hair trigger approach. On behalf of those in the south who do have sense I truly apologize to the family.
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As a frequent visitor to America I am always shocked at the frequency of gun murders, and the shockingly high number of annual gun deaths and as a foreigner, I believe I have a somewhat different view on this issue from that of an average American.
“How do you lose your life at a traffic stop?” for the simple reason as a British visitor said " I increase my chances of being shot dead by over 4 times merely by entering the US. For those of you planning on visiting there, you might want to examine your chances of getting you and your family home alive."
“How do you lose your life at a traffic stop?” for the simple reason as a British visitor said " I increase my chances of being shot dead by over 4 times merely by entering the US. For those of you planning on visiting there, you might want to examine your chances of getting you and your family home alive."
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Did any security cameras record the incident as well?
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It seems that people are being shot for fleeing over minor offenses. There was a saying in the prison I worked in... "it was not a death sentence offence". I can't see the point of shooting someone fleeing from a traffic stop. Can't see why a person would be jailed for failing to pay child supported either. It seems a Draconian law in that in most cases the person isn't making enough money to pay. That's why we have mechanisms to collect years later.
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that is not the point -- he tried to take the taser. Be honest.
This is not one rogue officer: there's a pattern emerging and that pattern is disturbing. (It's ok to shoot blacks, as long as you drop a gun at the scene, or claim they went for your gun/taser.)
What can be done?
1. Video tape all police vs. civilian encounters.
2. Replace firearms/tasers with smart weapons that won't fire if not held by the officer. This removes the 'excuse' many officers use to kill.
3. Randomly administer drug tests to police along with frisking them for 'drop' guns.
4. Require special prosecutors for any police killing. The department prosecutor is just to chummy with the local police to be trusted.
5. Setup civilian police review boards with real teath (hire/fire/supena/refer charges, etc).
What can be done?
1. Video tape all police vs. civilian encounters.
2. Replace firearms/tasers with smart weapons that won't fire if not held by the officer. This removes the 'excuse' many officers use to kill.
3. Randomly administer drug tests to police along with frisking them for 'drop' guns.
4. Require special prosecutors for any police killing. The department prosecutor is just to chummy with the local police to be trusted.
5. Setup civilian police review boards with real teath (hire/fire/supena/refer charges, etc).
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Some observations:
1. This particular case was an extrajudicial execution. Murder, pure and simple.
2. The Mayor and Chief of Police both were going to bat for the murderer. Only having their lies exposed by the video made them change their tune. While I wouldn't have minded if they'd withheld judgment, thats not what they did. They should be gone. At minimum, the first officer to respond, who was present when the taser was planted, should be charged. Any officers who lied about CPR being performed should be fired, though its a stretch to say that is a crime
3. It is possible to say, without inconsistency, that this was murder; that racism and abuse by police is a systemic problem; and that the police were justified in their actions withEric Garner and Michael Brown
1. This particular case was an extrajudicial execution. Murder, pure and simple.
2. The Mayor and Chief of Police both were going to bat for the murderer. Only having their lies exposed by the video made them change their tune. While I wouldn't have minded if they'd withheld judgment, thats not what they did. They should be gone. At minimum, the first officer to respond, who was present when the taser was planted, should be charged. Any officers who lied about CPR being performed should be fired, though its a stretch to say that is a crime
3. It is possible to say, without inconsistency, that this was murder; that racism and abuse by police is a systemic problem; and that the police were justified in their actions withEric Garner and Michael Brown
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At this rate, soon the only difference between delinquents and policemen will be the uniform! I have never been arrested in my life (I am 47), and up to recently, I had the utmost respect for the police force. Today, my faith in them has been profoundly challenged, and I do feel quite uneasy each time I see a man or a woman in uniform!
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Criminals do not kill like this. There was absolutely nothing to gain even from the sickest perspective. No reputation, no turf, no money, no revenge, not even sport. Even serial killers have some bizarre rationale. This was just casual slaughter because the murderer absolutely knew he could get away with it. That kind of evil only comes with time and the complicity and protection of the state.
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To me the most damning evidence is the scene where the officer retrieves his stun-gun and drops it near where the victim fell. It was obviously meant to help illustrate his lie that he was in fear for his life after the victim took away his stun-gun. To see this poor man lying prone on the ground; shot multiple times and in the process of bleeding out is heartbreaking. I only wonder how the videographer was able to shoot such damning evidence with being interfered with by the cop. Did he believe his actions were so manifestly justified that he was unafraid of exposure? Or was he such a believer in his own sense of entitlement that he forgot that others may not share it?
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I read a lot of comments asking 'why shoot to kill the suspect when an immobilizing shot will do it?'
My take on it is that if the suspect is innocent the police will be sued and it will cost the police department too much. "Dead man tell no tale" and hence can't sue. A few bullets are a lot cheaper than trying to defend a trigger happy police officer.
Even with the amount of mobile phone cameras nowadays not every citizen is courageous or fearless enough to start filming when shots are being fired.
My take on it is that if the suspect is innocent the police will be sued and it will cost the police department too much. "Dead man tell no tale" and hence can't sue. A few bullets are a lot cheaper than trying to defend a trigger happy police officer.
Even with the amount of mobile phone cameras nowadays not every citizen is courageous or fearless enough to start filming when shots are being fired.
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This is why every police officer in this country must be equipped with a camera that cannot be tampered with. Every day bad cops lie about contacts with suspects. Unfortunately there are far too many bad cops.
Not only should the murdering cop be prosecuted but the second cop who lied to protect the first one should be prosecuted as an accessory to murder.
Not only should the murdering cop be prosecuted but the second cop who lied to protect the first one should be prosecuted as an accessory to murder.
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An unfortunate incident that could probably be partly blamed on the stress of policing. Luckily this is rare. With a population of about 320 million people we should be happy this kind of extreme action is nearly non-existent. It doesn't help perception when media sources over-report on these kinds of incidents. It would be great if things like this never happened, but for your own sanity take a step back and look at the greater statistics.
Stress, if this situation made this officer stressed there is a major problem. He made have been stressed from any situation, but not this one. And if the media didn't report thing like this, there would be many more murders happening daily. Imagine your teenage child doing something foolish, not serious but foolish, and them running from an officer because they didn't want to get in trouble at home and were killed just because they ran. How would you feel?
You must be kidding. These are not rare incidences. And black men being singled out makes it even less rare. And we only see the top of the iceberg. 6 police killings of black men in less than one year in more than murky circumstances is not unfortunate, outs targeted.
I could not disagree with you more. Cops are paid to protect and to serve - not to kill. One is one too many.
Better training and screening of prospective police officers will not eliminate or even minimize these killing, profiling and harassment of black men and other minorities. The fundamental problem is that every single town, county, city in the US is entitled and allowed to have its own police department. How can these towns, counties and cities afford to have enough funding to provide even the basic training and screening of their police forces, let alone the high standards that a professional police department should be at? The fact that every jurisdiction has its own independent police department coupled with inadequate funding for training and screening has led to the abusive police tactics with deadly results happening every days across the US. It is time to abolish all independent police departments in towns, counties and cities and centralize the law enforcement activities at the state level so that all training, screening and policing standards are consistent and accountable. Let's do away with the notion that the small towns, counties and cities can police themselves and protect and serve the citizens. It's a noble idea but the killing, mistrust and tension between police departments and the citizens, both whites and minorities, across the US have proved otherwise.
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What is particularly disturbing about this, besides the obvious, are two things. One, the clarity the police officer had in going back for what appears to be the gun and dropping it off by the victim. This is not consistent with someone panicking; this is deliberate and well-though out deception. And two, the callousness displayed as the officer cuffs the victim and leaves him there, without rendering any aid. After all, a dead man cannot talk. Such blatant disregard for life and the law, by someone sworn to uphold our trust. I have seen a lot, yet when I saw this I had to keep reminding myself that this was real--not part of some movie--and it was happening now and not in the 'wild west' of times past.
There are many many officers who honor the badge they wear, hold themselves accountable for their actions, and are pillars of integrity and character in our communities. Sadly, it is men such as Mr. Slager who make the headlines, tarnish that badge, and erode our trust in good cops everywhere.
There are many many officers who honor the badge they wear, hold themselves accountable for their actions, and are pillars of integrity and character in our communities. Sadly, it is men such as Mr. Slager who make the headlines, tarnish that badge, and erode our trust in good cops everywhere.
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As this video illustrates there is great value in recording what actually happens in interactions with the police and all police should have body cams to record all interactions. That said, in this instance the victim did flee from the police officer and fight with the police officer. The media often refers to "unarmed suspect" as if only guns can maim or kill, this could not be further from the truth, I have many years martial arts experience and I can tell you that I can easily kill or maim with my bare hands and feet, I am never 'unarmed" and police are aware that there are people like me out there. If you flee and fight with police you make it more likely that the police will resort to guns, in these cases only direct video evidence will allow us to determine if the police officer was justified in the use of force. I have never fled or fought a police officer in my life but I can tell you that in hand to hand contact there are many people in our society who would win such a contest. Therefore it is not fair for us to assume that the type of thing we see on TV where the officer always wins a fist fight should be the model for how we look at police cases. In summary we cannot condone either police who use excessive force nor those who would fight or flee police officers. We need the video recording of police behavior, better training for officers and a societal commitment to cooperate with police officers in upholding the law.
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Objective and well written.
He was shot in the back while running AWAY from the officer. As such, he posed no threat whatsoever, and the fact that there are people who can kill with their bare hands is not relevant in this case.
Clearly the officer lied. Why lie if you did right?? He never even tried to chase the man, the man was running slowly, the cop just looks so causal as he pulls his gun and starts shooting. How can a man (even if he had the taser , the cop said it didn't work) running away pose a threat to you or others?? Enjoy prison you murdering so and so. You picked up taser after you killed him, you did NOT try any medical aid to that man for several mins. Oh but you did handcuff him. I hope you live a long , long time after they put you in prison.
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Here we go again
[facepalm]
[facepalm]
I have been unfailingly apathetic toward the concept of hunting human beings for sport whenever I have stumbled across this farfetched motif in various movies, novels, and other forms of artistic expression as I believed that this bizarre idea was constrained within a box unmistakably labeled “FICTION.” A disconcerting feeling arises within me when one sees a recurrent theme in the news of rogue officers with a penchant for “dark meat” annihilating their unarmed prey through the use of disproportionate force. Should I be wearing a bulletproof vest when I leave my apartment to complete mundane activities such as grocery shopping? Is Teflon still en vogue in the protective-wear industry? If so, is off-brand Teflon as durable and effective as the expensive stuff? I haven’t seen a Gilt special on Teflon vests…I guess this all becomes a moot point if headshots are considered.
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Race in America: welcome to 1960!
For shame.
All of us.
Naf 85+
For shame.
All of us.
Naf 85+
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why didn't he just run the guy down and tackle him? i say give him the death penalty. thanks to the brave soul that took this video.
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Do unarmed white men ever get shot and killed by white police officers? Really? When is the last time that happened?
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America! Don't you train your police officers!? Why does this occur so frequently? How long is your training ... a full day?! Why don't we hear similar events happening in other countries? Don't you think it is time that police training is reviewed nationally? Sounds to me the Attorney General bears responsibility of setting federal police training curriculum... well, wait... actually, ... maybe NO-ONE is in charge of that part ... OOPS!
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Almost anyone can become a police officer here, and even the bad ones are protecterd by local governments fearing lawsuits. It's because the local governments have not disciplined their officers in the past that this problem repeats itself over and over.
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Really, so you go from the federal government is too involved in local activities to blaming them when it's convenient. Or is because the AG is ...?
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"Jail them or kill them." That seems to be the American law enforcement motto.
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Simply outrageous. The man is a coward, a liar, and a pointless murderer.
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who the man who ran? Was he not guilty of a crime? Why did he run? Answer that one please.
This video made me sick with anger. I'm white. The actions of the policeman are reprehensible. Cold blooded murder. Of course this kind of police behavior is going on more broadly within the US. What do you think would've been the outcome if someone would've recorded the entire incident in Ferguson? That's right. Likely there would be another police officer behind bars. But that doesn't bring back the dead, does it? Ubiquitous police cameras are certainly one necessary solution. But there is something deeper going on here. A policeman must actively integrate into the community he/she is serving. That's part of your JOB. If you identify with (are a part of) the community you are serving, you are MUCH LESS likely to callously shoot a member of that community.
I am shamed by this senseless violence. May the Scott family forgive.
I am shamed by this senseless violence. May the Scott family forgive.
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Kudos to the brave person who shot this video. Given the behavior of this police officer, everyone in the vicinity was in danger.
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LETTER TO SENATOR X
Senator (INSERT YOUR SENATOR'S NAME HERE)
In the hope of moving toward solutions, can you help us to better understand police violence towards citizens? There is no national data base to track police shootings - so how many shootings occur in a year, where those shootings occur, the fatality rate, racial and age information of those involved, associated circumstances (public danger issues that inspired the shooting – today, appreciating that in Mr. Walter Scott’s case, as presently understood, a failed brake light and missing child support payments do not pose public safety issues), is not accessible information. We need a national data base. The lack of information speaks to our collective agreement to hide the possibility that racial biases our expressed in our institutions with fatal results – it’s time for us to intelligently examine the degree and scope of these biases. Bringing it to the light is part of the solution. A national data base that can illuminate issues in geographical areas (counties, cities) is a big step forward in creating accountability and hope in the face of disturbing trends that should be addressed by not only local and state courts but our federal Department of Justice. Recent events make this idea seem long overdue.
Senator (INSERT YOUR SENATOR'S NAME HERE)
In the hope of moving toward solutions, can you help us to better understand police violence towards citizens? There is no national data base to track police shootings - so how many shootings occur in a year, where those shootings occur, the fatality rate, racial and age information of those involved, associated circumstances (public danger issues that inspired the shooting – today, appreciating that in Mr. Walter Scott’s case, as presently understood, a failed brake light and missing child support payments do not pose public safety issues), is not accessible information. We need a national data base. The lack of information speaks to our collective agreement to hide the possibility that racial biases our expressed in our institutions with fatal results – it’s time for us to intelligently examine the degree and scope of these biases. Bringing it to the light is part of the solution. A national data base that can illuminate issues in geographical areas (counties, cities) is a big step forward in creating accountability and hope in the face of disturbing trends that should be addressed by not only local and state courts but our federal Department of Justice. Recent events make this idea seem long overdue.
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. . . and if reports are true the officer tried to act like the taser was next to the victim and "cpr was performed" when it wasn't. ugh. human lives are precious. do they not get that?
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Where is Obama?
Where are our political "leaders"?
Why the silence?
Do they support this?
silence=support.
Where are our political "leaders"?
Why the silence?
Do they support this?
silence=support.
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Who is surprised? I am not'! This kind of behavior has been going on a long time. I know the Police Departments across this country hate the day cell phones came out! If this had not been captured as proof it would have been just another black death and the officer recognized for doing an outstanding job. Beware folks these type of officers are not happy at all! You folks are destroying their reason for choosing this profession (badge to kill at will). Slager Family I'm sorry for your loss.
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Videos don’t tell the whole story and seeing isn’t always believing.
First, note that the New York Times chose to place its captioning over the very center of the video, thus obscuring certain parts of the video they may not want you to see.
Second, notice that there is a clear gap in filming between the 00:15 second mark and the 00:17 second mark which would presumably have edited out the physical struggle and edited out what Mr. Scott was or was not doing immediately before Officer Slager drew his firearm. That is a key piece of missing footage.
Third, the New York Times chose to focus your attention on what looked like Officer Slager “planting evidence”. However, it may very well be true that Mr. Scott took the Taser (either out of fear or out of ill intent. . .we don’t know) but then tossed it just prior to running away and Officer Slager was unaware that Mr. Scott had pitched the Taser.
The point is, this video does not tell us the full story and it is unwise and irresponsible to jump to conclusions based on incomplete information.
To do so makes those who criticize Officer Slager guilty of the same “crime” they accuse Officer Slager of, i.e., being quick to draw without a full understanding of what is actually going on.
First, note that the New York Times chose to place its captioning over the very center of the video, thus obscuring certain parts of the video they may not want you to see.
Second, notice that there is a clear gap in filming between the 00:15 second mark and the 00:17 second mark which would presumably have edited out the physical struggle and edited out what Mr. Scott was or was not doing immediately before Officer Slager drew his firearm. That is a key piece of missing footage.
Third, the New York Times chose to focus your attention on what looked like Officer Slager “planting evidence”. However, it may very well be true that Mr. Scott took the Taser (either out of fear or out of ill intent. . .we don’t know) but then tossed it just prior to running away and Officer Slager was unaware that Mr. Scott had pitched the Taser.
The point is, this video does not tell us the full story and it is unwise and irresponsible to jump to conclusions based on incomplete information.
To do so makes those who criticize Officer Slager guilty of the same “crime” they accuse Officer Slager of, i.e., being quick to draw without a full understanding of what is actually going on.
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The point is, you're missing the point. A human being was shot in the back. Period.
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Stop trying to find a excuse for clear ass day murder in the first
The video clearly shows a man running away from a cop and getting shot in the back multiple times. Thats all I need to see.
Such a sad state of once known to be the greatest place to live.
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Is this what "American Exceptionalism" means?
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Ok, a white cop killed a black man. That's bad. Blacks overwhelmingly commit violent crime against whites at much higher rates.
Why is this story just sitting on the front page? It's not a big story. The cop is in jail for murder. The Times is obsessed w any hint of racism, it's pathetic.
Why is this story just sitting on the front page? It's not a big story. The cop is in jail for murder. The Times is obsessed w any hint of racism, it's pathetic.
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It's on the front page because it's a clear example of epidemic injustice. It IS a big story and the American people deserve to know about it.
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Um, what about slavery and segregation, that took place over 300 years?
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Blacks who commit crimes overwhelmingly live in poverty in ghettos. Policemen who execute unarmed people are given badges and guns and are paid to be working on behalf of the people. That's the difference.
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I'm surprised the cop didn't shoot the person taking the video!
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I would like to see Dick Wolf produce a 'Law and Order' on this very topic.
Keep it in the headlines, make it a mainstream topic, that might help the cover-ups from getting away with murder.
White murderous cop giving the few who aren't bad a bad reputation.
This discussion needs to stay in the for front of out Social news.
Keep it in the headlines, make it a mainstream topic, that might help the cover-ups from getting away with murder.
White murderous cop giving the few who aren't bad a bad reputation.
This discussion needs to stay in the for front of out Social news.
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It gives me goose bumps. It is a first degree murder, execution on spot. Scary, who dares to take a holiday in South Carolina in a car after this? What if my taillight brokes and i get pulled over? Hope that Michael T. Slager gets lifetime in prison.
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This is EXACTLY how come, back in the early 90s & again when it was revised several years ago, Syracuse's Citizen Review Board ordinance contained a typology of police misconduct about which people could make complaints that included "filing false police reports." This was actually the provision to which police most objected & fought most vigorously. You can see how come from this story. The filmmaker Ava DuVernay has just posted a plea on her FB page to keep your cameras ready & stay safe. I am grateful to the person who made this video, as we all should be. And I salute this mayor, who is truly serving his whole community.
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Those who keep their cameras at the ready are the Edward Snowdens of our streets.
"Put your hands behind your back!" he yells to a dead man.
I can see it now: this killer with a badge will claim temporary insanity.
I can see it now: this killer with a badge will claim temporary insanity.
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White cops MUST think that us unarmed black men have some sort of Super Power because they all seem to "fear for their lives" whenever we're around!
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Wow!!! First of all, thank God for this recording; otherwise this man parading as a human being and office of the law would no doubt get away with this crime. My heart absolutely breaks for the current state of our justice system; that it has managed to send a pervasive message across the country that it's OK to shoot and kill a black man. We have to stop talking, and start a movement to end this pandemic situation.
Remember united we stand; divided we fall. We all must stand to together, and hold people accountable for their less than humanistic decisions. As the mayor of the town stated "When you're wrong; you're wrong." Well folks, this is WRONG on all levels.
Remember united we stand; divided we fall. We all must stand to together, and hold people accountable for their less than humanistic decisions. As the mayor of the town stated "When you're wrong; you're wrong." Well folks, this is WRONG on all levels.
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It occurs to me that what we may need more than sensitivity training, education, and dialogue...is justice. Perhaps we've reached a milestone in that regard.
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Jennifer - it is the state of our education system which globally ranks somewhere between mediocre to embarrassing.
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The chilling thing is how calmly the policeman shoots the guy. And then stands over him as if the dying man is an animal.
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I'm sure that is what this 'officer' thought.
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The video looks like the victim WAS hunted.
I'm wondering if this is based on revenue for the city, as in Ferguson. Bad tail light? Around here, that's at least $150 in court even if they don't find anything else to charge you with.
Some question the propriety of discussing Mr. Scott’s prior arrest record. The inference being that doing so unfairly prejudices the public against Mr. Scott and seeks to make Mr. Scott appear to be a “bad man”. However, how many of those same individuals questioned the propriety of Mr. Scott’s family’s lawyer sending this video footage to the New York Times? Wasn’t such act an attempt to taint the prospective jury pool against officer Slager prior to a full and fair hearing in a court of law of all the relevant and admissible evidence? Thus, unfairly prejudicing the public against officer Slager even before a full investigation has commenced and been concluded?
You can’t decry discrimination if you are practicing it at the same time.
You can’t decry discrimination if you are practicing it at the same time.
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Oh, please. You can't possibly be serious.
There is absolutely no defense here. The cop was wrong, viciously wrong. Nothing Mr. Scott did could possibly be seen as justification for this cold blooded murder perpetrated by a "peace officer."
There is absolutely no defense here. The cop was wrong, viciously wrong. Nothing Mr. Scott did could possibly be seen as justification for this cold blooded murder perpetrated by a "peace officer."
This is just sickening. Sickening.
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Even if Slager thought he was in mortal danger up to the point the video began.., he had NO reason, NO right to take the action he did from that point forward.
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I cried when I saw the video. The policeman is a murderer and a liar. Send him to prison for the rest of his life! And terminate all his colleagues who also lied to protect him.
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It's called "running" Officer Slager. A suspect runs, you run. Even after a scuffle, one over a taser gun, and the unarmed suspect continues to run, SO SHOULD YOU!!!! Had you, Officer Slager, chosen to continue running after Mr. Scott rather than stand and fire eight shots, three of which ended up in Mr. Scott's back nonetheless, Mr. Scott would still be alive and you wouldn't be charged with murder. And then, as the video shows, to offer no medical assistance, let alone immediate, in order to protect yourself, is unfathomable, even to the most hard core police officer.
This story began with a broken taillight and has now ended with broken lives...senseless.
This story began with a broken taillight and has now ended with broken lives...senseless.
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The DOJ has to accept blame here too.
If you witness your local police engaging in criminal behavior, who can you complain to? Who's been watching the police? You can submit a report to internal affairs?! Seriously, there has been no one holding police accountable for too long, the police know this or this brazen nationwide problem wouldn't be unfolding all over the news in front of our eyes. It took phones becoming cameras to expose this sorry state of affairs.
I personally filed complaint after complaint to the appropriate persons, including the FBI, on the Garland and Dallas police for years so I know no one listens - other than the accused officers, who in turn stalk and harass. It was better to move out of the state, quietly, giving no notices, to NC.
Recap: we're here because the DOJ has been kissing police backsides. DOJ is just as complicit in all the murders.
If you witness your local police engaging in criminal behavior, who can you complain to? Who's been watching the police? You can submit a report to internal affairs?! Seriously, there has been no one holding police accountable for too long, the police know this or this brazen nationwide problem wouldn't be unfolding all over the news in front of our eyes. It took phones becoming cameras to expose this sorry state of affairs.
I personally filed complaint after complaint to the appropriate persons, including the FBI, on the Garland and Dallas police for years so I know no one listens - other than the accused officers, who in turn stalk and harass. It was better to move out of the state, quietly, giving no notices, to NC.
Recap: we're here because the DOJ has been kissing police backsides. DOJ is just as complicit in all the murders.
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This man was obviously a danger to the officer and others. After all, he was driving a car with a broken tail light while black.
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Don't forget he's a criminal arrested 8 times for failing to pay child support and failing to appear to court over child support oh and can't forget he's violent he had a assault case in 1987 such a bad bad man
Nothing will ever make such a tragedy understandable or bearable for the family and family friends of Mr. Scott, but the courageous witness has provided a stunningly importance service for us all.
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Can someone give me the reason why this officer cuffed the guy he shot down? Afraid of him getting up again after seven shots in his body?
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Simple.
From the moment the officer shot the man he:
1) looked over his shoulder to see who was watching
2) he yelled out loud commands not for the sake of the victim, but for the sake of spectators who might be able to testify against him (perpetuating the 'not cooperating' theme, regardless of the fact that the man was dying)
3) he planted the taser to frame the dead man
This was calculated. He obviously learned this from someone and/or had spent time considering how to frame crime scenes.
From the moment the officer shot the man he:
1) looked over his shoulder to see who was watching
2) he yelled out loud commands not for the sake of the victim, but for the sake of spectators who might be able to testify against him (perpetuating the 'not cooperating' theme, regardless of the fact that the man was dying)
3) he planted the taser to frame the dead man
This was calculated. He obviously learned this from someone and/or had spent time considering how to frame crime scenes.
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He was dead, after all. That's the threshold for activity by a black man that qualifies as putting an officer in fear for his life. No bald-faced lie is too outrageous to put forward to justify police oppression in this country.
Police procedure.
There is a moment at 18 seconds which is blurred it seems like maybe the arm of Mr Scott is coming down to knock something out of Slager's hand. You can see the officer's arm is streched out. So maybe Scott did knock the taser out of his hand and it bounced and landed behind the officer.
However shooting a man in the back? That's unjustified.
However shooting a man in the back? That's unjustified.
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And maybe a black bird just happened to fly right next to Scott´s hand as he ran and Slager mistook it for a gun. Or a beam of sunlight reflecting off a bottle on the ground seemed like the discharge of a gun muzzle.
At some point, a murder is just a murder.
At some point, a murder is just a murder.
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Kinda like running down and shooting an unarmed teenager who's running away. But that's what a police officer got away with in MO, probably because there wasn't video of the actual shooting.
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Portrait of a coward: shocking and disgraceful.
Slager deserves the death penalty, his corrupt colleagues deserve prison, and the victim's family deserves millions in reparations.
Kudos to the brave young man who captured this evidence of murder.
Slager deserves the death penalty, his corrupt colleagues deserve prison, and the victim's family deserves millions in reparations.
Kudos to the brave young man who captured this evidence of murder.
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The officer's story in this case was the same as it usually is -- "the victim grabbed my weapon and I feared for my safety." Most people seem to reflexively believe the police -- if a cop said it, it must be true, because cops always tell the truth, right? WRONG.
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Is it really necessary to handcuff a dying man? Why isn't the officer in the photo tending to his wounds and attempting to save his life?
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Because they wanted him to die.
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The officer is Mark Furman planting a glove on a suspect. Ten years from now he'll be a Fox News analyst discussing the Iran nuclear deal with Judge Janine.
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“poses a significant threat of death or serious physical injury to the officer or others.” I do not see any threat. Running away. Tackle the guy. Looks like excessive force.
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Slager should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. It looks like he murdered Scott. Scott shouldn't have had so many arrests.... he had ongoing issues with the police and the legal system. Ten arrests, assault and battery, possession of a dangerous weapon.... he obviously didn't deserve to be killed but in the real world bad things happen to habitual law breakers.
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The minority of Mr Scott's arrest are for nonpayment of child support. Maybe you need to read the report better.
He only had child support cases and one assault in 1987
You are blaming the victim for his murder just because the victim has some problems with the law. For God's sake! The man was shot in the back from 10 to 20 feet away.
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There are at least two officers and probably three that need to be charged. The second officer was present when the 'throw down' was dropped. The third officer did not administer CPR.
Charge them all. Legally, at least two can be charged with murder.
Selling a cigarette , jaywalking, a broken tail light, sleeping on a park bench, and a few other very minor offenses are , punishable by death.
The cause , it would seem to me, is escalation. No minor offense should ever result in death. And the root is,, prosecutors who do not prosecute. Cops get to walk. Grand Juries never have to be public. No evidence EXCEPT that taken in secret by a citizen and handed over to the NYT will ever see the light of day. Certainly true in NYC and Ferguson.
Charge them all. Legally, at least two can be charged with murder.
Selling a cigarette , jaywalking, a broken tail light, sleeping on a park bench, and a few other very minor offenses are , punishable by death.
The cause , it would seem to me, is escalation. No minor offense should ever result in death. And the root is,, prosecutors who do not prosecute. Cops get to walk. Grand Juries never have to be public. No evidence EXCEPT that taken in secret by a citizen and handed over to the NYT will ever see the light of day. Certainly true in NYC and Ferguson.
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I hope that all the officers that are involved will be investigated for writing up false reports. How many more victims have been falsely framed by these officers. I thank God for the person who had taken this video. I pray that nothing will happen to them for their bravery for coming forward with the video.
Thank God for iPhones!
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The discrimination of black lives is going on. Shame.
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Here I thought the only crazies were in Congress. What has happened to our nation.
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Someone has to be electing those guys...makes perfect sense...
They shot the guy in the back, while running away, when he no longer had possession of what the cop alleges was a TASER. Turns him over, face down and handcuffs him, thus reducing any chance he had to live.Then the officer runs away from the scene and returns appearing to plant the TASER on victim. Fails to call an ambulance (none of the cops did, which is typical of their lack of respect for the people they murder). Then gets together with his cop buddies and appears to work out a mutual lie. Then writes a false report that they rendered first aid and performed CPR, when they didn't. All the other cops should be charged with accessory after the fact to murder.
Is this guy in jail? Has he been suspended without pay? Have his firearms been sequestered? Is he suffering any of the consequences for murdering another human being? Let's face it, the officer is white, the victim is black, the cop is going to get away with it.
The cop's lack of situation awareness causes him to fail to notice there are witness, with phones, videoing the entire incident from beginning to end. The DUMB cops didn't even look for witnesses.
Is this guy in jail? Has he been suspended without pay? Have his firearms been sequestered? Is he suffering any of the consequences for murdering another human being? Let's face it, the officer is white, the victim is black, the cop is going to get away with it.
The cop's lack of situation awareness causes him to fail to notice there are witness, with phones, videoing the entire incident from beginning to end. The DUMB cops didn't even look for witnesses.
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The shooter is in jail. But the other officers on the scene should be suspended, badges revoked, indictments in the works. It is chilling that they treat it as "business as normal" and assume the cover-up will go fine. Any sort of decent coroner's report would invalidate their story, so the coroner's office may be in on the fix, too.
He's been charged with murder. Of course there is a good chance he'll walk, but it's a bit soon to say it's a foregone conclusion. This video is pretty powerful evidence.
He is in jail and has been denied bail.
A sickening disrespect of human life.
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I honestly think the cop is in the right here because if you see on the video at like 17-20 secs Mr.Scott does knock the taser out of the cops hand and then starts to run/jog if you knock a taser out of a cops hand you honestly don't know what else he would have done.
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Who cares if he knocked it out of the officer's hand or not? The man was running away and presented no threat and still the cop shot him five times, handcuffed him, put the taser next to him, and didn't perform CPR or give any assistance.
The cop is right? He's wrong and you are too.
The cop is right? He's wrong and you are too.
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wow.. Maybe he was running away because he knew he would get a beat down as this happens all the time. He was already getting tased for having a tail light out. It is a normal reaction to push anything you are being threatened with, hit with or tased with away. It's a normal reaction to run from danger. Either way, even if he did just knock the taser out of his hands out of defiance, does he deserve the death penalty on the spot? Have you or any of your loved ones been beaten by police? Your perception is a little altered
Are you serious? The suspect, stopped for a broken taillight was running away. Being shot is the back from 20 feet away is appropriate for a suspected vehicle code violation is justifiable? Next it will be a little old lady feeding pigeons in the park.
Here's a hundred bucks the officer will be acquitted. All he has to do is say "I feared for my life." It's the American way.
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There are post that talk about black on black crime... We get that and it is being talked about and discussed and worked on... However, there is something more systemic about this and other shootings. For Blacks, it was not that long ago, when we could be killed for next to nothing. The Law of years passed either allowed or turned its head when it came to killings of Blacks. Yet, in these days in time shootings are up ticking with Law enforcement due to large part of TECHNOLOGY. Every man and woman with a cellphone now has a digital camera, video, and mic capabilities at the tip of their fingers. Now with such leaps and bounds thanks to technology, the suspect and police's word are now under closer scrutiny. "IF" there had not been video, I can but only imagine how this incident and the accompanying story my unfold! Let's watch very closely how this incident will unfold. My thoughts and prayers go to both victim and officer.
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Why didn't he give chase, tackle him down and handcuff him?
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Because he wasn't being filmed for a "Cops" TV show. Then he would have been the hard riding, tougher than nails hero.
The gun was faster.
And easier.
And easier.
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What kind of officers are we hiring today? Honestly, I can't believe my eyes, but I also believe the same darn thing happened in Ferguson. Maybe, we shouldn't let cops on the beat carry weapons --- make them call in for reinforcements when weapons may be needed. Maybe it will help keep them honest. Bad news when your cops aren't honest.
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With so many cops killing unarmed citizens, at some point, are citizens going to be held blameless under stand your ground laws when they shoot a cop who approaches them?
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It would have been justice for that CHP officer to get shot and killed while he was beating the heck out of that homeless woman.
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""Much ado about nothing"." Let's just wait a week or two for the next shooting to occur.
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What we will never know is whether that police officer would have used deadly force if the man fleeing was not black. Part of me wants to believe that the murder was the act of a trigger-happy thug in uniform and not an act of racism.
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Hopefully, Mr. Scott did not die in vain and some good, at last, will come out of this tragedy.
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This is a killer, Right?
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I think that we need to stop seeing this issue as strictly racial. This particular media focus is too narrow. Anyone remember Kelly Thomas? Members of every race suffer terrible abuse from "peace" officers. We need to stand together as a nation against these atrocities, and avoid divisive political hot button topics such as race when discussing them. We need to UNITE against police brutality. It affects all of us.
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I think you are missing the point of this discussion on race and the police in the United States. Every individual has Constitutional rights but when it comes to police and people of color some believe those rights do not apply. Thus, being killed as a result of something like a traffic stop is much more likely when the person stopped is a Black male. It typically does not happen to Whites (although I believe chances rise if the person is mentally ill). Some argue that Black men commit crimes more frequently. I argue there is a framework of standards that cops are taught to follow when investigating potential wrongdoing and that some cops do not follow thise standards when the person they are investigating is black. The result is that people die and those killings are legally and morally wrong. In this context race is absolutely relevant and what is happening over and over cannot be divorced from the issue of how different races are perceived.
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Amen! I once had a white police officer threaten to hit me with his 18-inch flashlight when I tried politely why he shouldn't write me a ticket. (I am white.) He then wrote me completely false speeding ticket although he had not mentioned speeding when he stopped me for an illegal left turn. Of course African-Americans are much more often subject to abuse by police.
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My instinct tells me this can only be like the mentality demonstrated by the 1868 Mai Lai massacre in Vietnam. In M. Scott Peck's book The People of the Lie, the case is made how a village of innocent people in Vietnam were killed, burned and destroyed because of the FEAR and callous trembling of the army officers. On the front line of the war on the poor sections of America, the police now have this Mai Lai mentality against poor people who can't earn enough money to pay child support. What the Wall Street criminals get away with by raping America, we see the repercussions in our daily news reports. It can only be a MORAL bankruptcy of the spirit of compassionate caring which is demonstrated in the halls of power over the continually oppressed.
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Do not trust the police, ever. They are murderers and they will not reform, don't expect anything to change. Doesn't matter if it's SC or NY or SF, cops think they're above the law and at war with citizens.
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Most troubling bit for me, is he probably would have got away with it without the witness video.
He obviously knew what to say on the radio, and what to do at the crime scene to beat a murder indictment
How many other cops have done this?
He obviously knew what to say on the radio, and what to do at the crime scene to beat a murder indictment
How many other cops have done this?
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And he didn't even skip a beat in doing it...just like auto-pilot...THAT's one of the things that struck me...that and even I could have caught up to Mr. Scott and tackled him...there was not even the need for a taser, let alone a gun.
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Comedic to think anyone thinks this cop has any case whatsoever. Even in the deep south!
Shooting a guy when he's running away - it's just murder.
Cops have to prove they have no choice but to kill, to get off
Shooting a guy when he's running away - it's just murder.
Cops have to prove they have no choice but to kill, to get off
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So far I have seen two letters here which attempt to defend the officer. One was from Texas, and the other from South Carolina. Enough said.
Err...to be fair there was something knocked out from the officer's hand in this heavily edited video. People if you mess with a cop, be prepared to be shot. It happens in Europe, Asia, and even Africa. Why scuffle with a cop who will produce you before a judge in a court of law where you will have a fair hearing even if you're innocent. Obviously this guy had a long record. There are two sides of every story.
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The guy had a bench warrant out for unpaid child support.
Plus he has grabbed the taser and then dropped it almost immediately after and ran. He posed no immediate threat to the officers life as soon as he turned his back and ran away. Therefor it was unnecessary to use deadly force. Also after he gunned him down why is it that he did not even try to perform CPR? Why is it that he did not even attempt to save this mans life????
Plus he has grabbed the taser and then dropped it almost immediately after and ran. He posed no immediate threat to the officers life as soon as he turned his back and ran away. Therefor it was unnecessary to use deadly force. Also after he gunned him down why is it that he did not even try to perform CPR? Why is it that he did not even attempt to save this mans life????
I think everyone knows, "mess with a cop, be prepared to be shot." That's the problem.
"If you mess with a cop, be prepared to be shot"? Don't you think that's a problem? There are supposed to be laws and rules about police use of deadly force.
And, no, it doesn't happen that often in civilized countries. By "it" I mean police killing unarmed citizens who are not a threat to anyone.
And, no, it doesn't happen that often in civilized countries. By "it" I mean police killing unarmed citizens who are not a threat to anyone.
111 UK citizens have been killed by UK cops since 1990. American policemen killed 111 US citizens in March. Need more be said.
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I am willing to wager that a jury will ultimately let him off. Because he's a cop.
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This is just so horrible to watch, I guess running after him did not seem like an option. It just hurts my heart to see such stupidity in our nation. Was he not trained to shoot at his leg if he felt he could not possibly catch him by foot ?
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The guy was jogging away. My four-year old could run faster than that.
You can't shoot at a leg of someone running away from you in a high stress situation and have any accuracy.
If a cop shoots someone and that cop is not in immediate danger, shouldn't paramedics be called to treat the shot victim, not just more cops? Shouldn't that be the priority, ensuring that life is saved?
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The point of the cops action was to kill him. That is really obvious.
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Finally, someone noticed it!!
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the first priority is to alter the evidence at the crime scene.
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This is beyond disgusting. This man was shot dead for running away from a revenue stop. He was not a threat to the policeman who murdered him. Do patrol cars not have radios? Could the policeman not have radioed for assistance? No, apparently not. He was bound and determined to shot this man dead and then try to frame him. This will set police/citizen relationships further back than they already are. This has got to stop.
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I am sorry is this México? it seems to be
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No, it is not Mexico. In Mexico we know the authorities are corrupt and the police is corrupt. Here, however most people keep refusing to see and acknowledge the corruption, while keep harassing other countries for their Human Rights records, which they here do not care about.
Why the person taking the video did not yell to stop the policeman? My first instinct would be to scream at the policeman to stop.
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That first instinct would have gotten you bullied, beaten and/or arrested. Then your phone would have been confiscated, and Walter Scott would still be dead. But without the video, he would have been just another dead "thug," while Slager would be free to kill again and again.
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Then the person would be accused of obstructing the work of the police officer.
@Natalia: Had the guy with the phone shouted, we would have wound up with two dead bodies, no video coverage, and, days later, Slager & Co. back on the street serving and protecting the citizens of North Charleston.
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400 years later, white folks continue to insist that we're making this stuff up....
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yes Joseph, even when there is a video.. one of these comments calls it a "highly edited" video.. Sad
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What is with some of these cops? Don't they get training? Or are they just handed a firearm and a badge and told to get to work? This is disgusting. I'm surprised that more of our cities aren't on fire because of these cops.
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Chillingly, it actually seems that those offices must have been able to see the filmer? He seems very close. But they were so busy covering things up that that was their main concern. Eight shots! Jesus. And then the calm. The pretending to feel threatened (yelling at a dying man), and the cuffing the guy like he was some big fighter. It's so staged, and it really looks as though this guy has had his little target practice for the day! It is chilling.
But so was the Eric Garner video, and no one did anything about that. The man lay their dying and no one, not even EMS, would help him. These cops don't see black men as human beings. Most people wouldn't even treat dogs the way they treat their victims. To me, this is the culture of guns and hunter and video games. Eight shots! The old police revolvers didn't even hold 8 bullets, and most officers made it 20 years without firing. But not in the South. And it continues.
But so was the Eric Garner video, and no one did anything about that. The man lay their dying and no one, not even EMS, would help him. These cops don't see black men as human beings. Most people wouldn't even treat dogs the way they treat their victims. To me, this is the culture of guns and hunter and video games. Eight shots! The old police revolvers didn't even hold 8 bullets, and most officers made it 20 years without firing. But not in the South. And it continues.
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The cop had his vehicle tag number and could have easily arrested the victim after reporting the incident to his superiors. It is clearly murder when a person is shot so many times in the back while running away. The video did is the best witness to this murder.
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Officer Slager is so nonchalant about his horrific treatment of Watler Scott that it appears almost routine. I honestly do not know how African American men can feel safe around law enforcement. We only know about the incidents that get "caught." Were it not for the press and the attorneys general digging deeper into institutionalized racism, were it not for the protests in areas where these crimes have happened, were it not for smart phone videos, how much of this would get out into the public arena? Can anyone imagine a white guy who owes child support running away from a cop because of a traffic stop for a broken light and getting murdered in broad daylight? Black lives matter, except when people treat them like they do not. And I don't thik this is a case of "one bad apple" in the North Charleston police force.
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Thousand of unruly, resisting arrest white guys are arrested each year; many of them fleeing from detainment; never do we here of any being shot multiple times. As a rule, these white suspects are arrested, with a struggle, detained/handcuffed and brought in so the courts can determine justice. With black men the first action is to shoot first. If a black man does not resist or just follows command: hand over your licenses, identification; a move to the glove compartment can get you then shot to death. A hand to get your identification from your back pocket is often times reasons to shoot you multiple times for reaching for a gun. In other words, these PO's are changing the "script" throughout the arrest procedures. There is a fundamental problem: Most of these PO are racist. And, America has a history of these same behaviors from PO in many past decades when the Klu Klux Klan infiltrated many offices across the land; and, many Mayors, and other elected officials turned a blind eye to these blatant injustices. Close to a hundred of Black men have died this way in the past 9 months. There have been protest, and the courts have been tested and asked and pleaded for remedies; yet again, these measures have not been effective.
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The majority of fatal police shooting victims each year are white. You don't hear of white suspects being shot because the shootings don't make national news. Police offers shots and killed two unarmed white men in Dallas and Salt Lake City the same week Michael Brown was killed in Ferguson, Missouri.
I'd like to see an in-depth article on the militarization of the police that has taken place in recent years. When and why, for instance, did someone decide that police vehicles should be painted black? It's a small point, but this decision underscores that a major shift in policing has taken place. (In a recent trip to the UK, I noticed that patrol cars where white with some markings - it makes a difference.)
We need police who are willing to engage in the community they protect and serve. Most officers presumably do want to protect and serve, but they are not being helped by decisions that make them look like militarized thugs to citizens going peacefully about their business.
We do not need a police force that comes off as threatening and willing to use deadly force for a traffic ticket. Mix a willingness to use lethal force with racist prejudices and the brew becomes particularly toxic. Better training into how to defuse rather than escalate situations is urgently needed.
We need police who are willing to engage in the community they protect and serve. Most officers presumably do want to protect and serve, but they are not being helped by decisions that make them look like militarized thugs to citizens going peacefully about their business.
We do not need a police force that comes off as threatening and willing to use deadly force for a traffic ticket. Mix a willingness to use lethal force with racist prejudices and the brew becomes particularly toxic. Better training into how to defuse rather than escalate situations is urgently needed.
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No military weapons have played a part ion the recent string of fatal police shootings. Most U.S. police vehicles are not painted black. North Charleston police cars are white and blue. Military vehicles are not painted black.
I have never been arrested once in my life (I am 47). Up to recently, I had the utmost respect for the police force. Lately, my faith in them has been profoundly challenged, and today, I do not feel at ease each time I see a man or a woman in uniform! Something is wrong... definitely wrong!
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The sad fact is that for many of us raised in monoethnic enclaves like the suburban neighborhood where I grew up, racism is a conditioned attribute. That's why for some light skinned people, despite our best efforts to suppress those feelings, a tinge of wariness occurs when walking down a dark street and seeing a group of young dark skinned men. It's a despicable feeling and it's a good thing we have brains because we can call ourselves out when those thoughts arise. How can there not be constant repeated efforts to train police officers to recognize their own deep seated feelings and to develop self restraint, especially in a majority black neighborhood where the police force is 80% white? We always hear the defense "I'm not racist, some of my best friends are black." Maybe so but all of us harbor irrational prejudices and most of us self monitor and don't succumb. The police, of all people, should be trying more than anyone.
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Not to belittle the part racism played in this incident, SC police have a habit of abusing and terrorizing citizens when they think they can get away with it which is almost always. Police are most assuredly out of control and if you think you are immune because you are white, think again. This is every persons problem.
We just a generation of militarised young immature officers brought up on watching violent movies and coming from broken homes which must be a contributing factor to these recent police killings or infractions. Before I left for Japan in 2000 from New York, we rarely heard of these shootings, notwithstanding the dearth of iphones and androids back then, but surely its the Rambo/post 9/11 culture of the recent campaigns in Iraq and Afghanistan that has surely uneducated and low income officers like Mr. Scott to enter law enforcement and act out in their childish fatalistic way their perverse fantasies.
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Social media is only bringing to the front what has been going on with impunity for centuries. Let this guy who killed pay - and let it be with his life - will be interesting to watch the circus in the media - the racists will be easy to pick up on Fox, the fools on CNN and the weirdos on MSNBC - while more are killed - the only solution is to press for change via social media, demand relentless justice, sue these states and the police and hire more minorities.
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This wasn't a shooting - It was an EXECUTION. Nothing in that video leads me to believe that the officer should have feared for his life. The guy was running away and from what I could see, never turned back around at the officer, never pointed anything at him, and never gave the cop reason to pull the trigger.
He should go away for a VERY long time.
He should go away for a VERY long time.
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What will it take for citizens to act to end police vigilantetism? Until this video surfaced we were seeing the standard line that the "officer feared for his life" played out by a hastily hired attorney and the Blue Wall of silence. Disconcerting and revealing is the mayor's use of the term "...just a citizen..." when framing the incident. "Just a citizen"? Really?
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After watching this video and reading these comments, words fail, except that I am ashamed to be an American. This must stop.
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The police just don't get it… There are video cameras everywhere. I respect most police officers as their job is a tough one but when will they learn covering up for the "bad apples" hurts the whole force.
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When a police officer covers up for a "bad apple" that officer becomes a bad apple. By now with all the covering up the police barrel is filled with bad apples, filled to the brim.
Who will protect the cameraman from police reprisals?
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This is a hate crime.
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This video makes me sick and sad. I think the biggest thing I'm struggling w/ is the victim is barely running away.. I would say he is jogging away slowly when the officer decides to shoot him, rather than pursue him. I don't know police code of engagement but why in the world didn't he just run after the victim, catch up with him, tackle him and arrest him? The use of deadly force in this case seems to be born out of laziness if nothing else.. I don't know.. it is just very sad.
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The most important question is why did the police officer feel it necessary to escalate a traffic stop into a violent confrontation?
If someone is a known convicted murderer or rapist on the run, one might arguably understand a police officer shooting him down to prevent any further crime from being perpetrated, although a well trained policeman should in such an instance aim at the legs of the criminal... What actually happened to Mr Scott is appalling as it is clearly a racist hate crime, executed with deliberation and attention to detail meaning that officer Slager had already in mind a scenario that would get him off the hook. It would be interesting to find out how many shooting incidents are related to this policeman. He deserves a long prison sentence which would also serve as a deterrent to other trigger happy executioners.