Menedez does not believe he did anything wrong. If that is the case he should not step down until he is convicted of breaking the law.
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If the government says something, it must be true.
Trust in the integrity of prosecutors. They are sworn not just to win cases, but to make sure that justice is done, even if that means the accused is acquitted. They never abuse the power of their office.
Innocent people are never convicted.
Trust in the integrity of prosecutors. They are sworn not just to win cases, but to make sure that justice is done, even if that means the accused is acquitted. They never abuse the power of their office.
Innocent people are never convicted.
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i very much disagree.
while i don't have sympathy for menendez' cozy friendship, unfortunately with the growth of pacs and other "targeted" donations, this kind of friendship, after citizens united, is at the center of the american "democratic" system.
i hope the menendez trial brings a focus to the terrible effects of political fund-raising activities.
the prosecutor generally will have to prove a "quid pro quo"--that menedez' "favors" for his friend were a "trade" for the material gains he received from that friend. but, as has been repeated too much recently, it is particularly difficult to prove that long term "friends" had any more quid pro quo than do typical, large campaign donors.
i hope menendez and his lawyer put up a good fight, notwithstanding the intentionally lurid details in the indictment (which as i'm sure you know, is "not evidence"). in particular, i hope he is allowed to call as witnesses other politicians to detail their receipt of donations and gifts from "friends", and the "constituent" or other services they perform. such a trial, if the judge allows it, would provide a positive public service.
but, no, menendez should not resign: again, allegations in an indictment are not "evidence". investigative allegations are not "evidence". we all will benefit from hearing the cross-examined testimony of material witnesses, including menendez, himself.
your editorial is unfortunately thoughtless and premature. i'd re-thing it, if i were you.
while i don't have sympathy for menendez' cozy friendship, unfortunately with the growth of pacs and other "targeted" donations, this kind of friendship, after citizens united, is at the center of the american "democratic" system.
i hope the menendez trial brings a focus to the terrible effects of political fund-raising activities.
the prosecutor generally will have to prove a "quid pro quo"--that menedez' "favors" for his friend were a "trade" for the material gains he received from that friend. but, as has been repeated too much recently, it is particularly difficult to prove that long term "friends" had any more quid pro quo than do typical, large campaign donors.
i hope menendez and his lawyer put up a good fight, notwithstanding the intentionally lurid details in the indictment (which as i'm sure you know, is "not evidence"). in particular, i hope he is allowed to call as witnesses other politicians to detail their receipt of donations and gifts from "friends", and the "constituent" or other services they perform. such a trial, if the judge allows it, would provide a positive public service.
but, no, menendez should not resign: again, allegations in an indictment are not "evidence". investigative allegations are not "evidence". we all will benefit from hearing the cross-examined testimony of material witnesses, including menendez, himself.
your editorial is unfortunately thoughtless and premature. i'd re-thing it, if i were you.
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There was once a quaint notion called innocent until proven guilty.
An accusation is not proof of guilt.
I do not know whether or not Mr. Menendez is guilty of a crime.
I do know that if he resigns, he will have been punished as if guilty.
If we let our elected representatives be driven out of office by a mere accusation, what have we become?
I think that a call for his resigantion is premature.
An accusation is not proof of guilt.
I do not know whether or not Mr. Menendez is guilty of a crime.
I do know that if he resigns, he will have been punished as if guilty.
If we let our elected representatives be driven out of office by a mere accusation, what have we become?
I think that a call for his resigantion is premature.
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Let him have his day in court. But why, oh why isn't the DOJ going after the entire Congress? Nor is this just Citizens United: it's been going on as long as I have.
The DOJ is the ONLY organization that can bring our corrupt elected officials to justice. I say, let there be MORE.
The DOJ is the ONLY organization that can bring our corrupt elected officials to justice. I say, let there be MORE.
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This is what friends do for each other. Ha. Not one of my friends fly me in their private jets to fantastic resorts. Somebody buy a cup a coffee! Please.
I find the visa thing particularly annoying cause lots of very good people can't get tourist visas to come to the US.
I find the visa thing particularly annoying cause lots of very good people can't get tourist visas to come to the US.
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This is America and as much as I or anyone else may think him culpable he is presumed innocent until proven or admitted guilt.
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The consistent statements that everyone in congress does it or Justice was wrong on the late Senator Stevens of Alaska, does not provide a pass nor for any Congressman/woman to use their position to engage in twisting arms to get passports for friends of friends or big contracts that should be fairly bid. There is also the possibility that those "others" in high position may pause before making shady deals now that a governor of a major state was sentenced to jail time and currently a senator of long standing has been indicted. It is about time that Justice move against the powerful as it does when an average citizens commits a crime. It is even more important that those in high places be held accountable. The time spent on making special deals at a foreign embassy to get a passport for someone or flying around in jets to get a free ride and vacation keeps them from doing the real job for their constitutents. With the ridiculously low time our congress spends in session they ought to be paid on an hourly basis only.
Senator Ted Stevens of Alaska, anyone? Prosecutors are not holier than thou except maybe in the eyes of the NYT
I think you should try to apply equally rigorous standards to all Democrats, including the ones you continue to like. Why should Menendez resign while Charlie Rangel still remains in office? Why no call for Hillary to step out of the presidential race in light of her latest scandal with private email servers? And can we even really trust DOJ to be objective and professional in handling cases like this after what they did to Ted Stevens? That was an abomination.
I am confused. How is this transgression that different from the Senators voting for the XL Pipeline where oil interests conveyed hundreds of thousands of dollars to the Republican "yes" voters, reportedly.
It says, if the money to Senator Menendez came from a powerhouse corporation it would be overlooked by our system. Menendez tripped up. Failed to involve a crafty lobbyist to make a favor not look like a quid pro quo. Even if it was.
There is a second reason I don't agreed with the call for Menendez to step down immediately. Our tricky Governor Christie would see that he was replaced by a Republican to the detriment of Senate functionality.
Reasonable government. When will we get it?
It says, if the money to Senator Menendez came from a powerhouse corporation it would be overlooked by our system. Menendez tripped up. Failed to involve a crafty lobbyist to make a favor not look like a quid pro quo. Even if it was.
There is a second reason I don't agreed with the call for Menendez to step down immediately. Our tricky Governor Christie would see that he was replaced by a Republican to the detriment of Senate functionality.
Reasonable government. When will we get it?
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You have to get them all to step down, including the candidates and wannabees, because THEY ARE ALL CROOKS!
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To paraphrase the last line of a Jack Nicholson movie: "Forget it Jake, it's Jersey."
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Sen. Menendez will not resign, not a single colleague will ask him to resign, and Gov. Christie would not find an honorable way to replace him if he dropped in his tracks from shock. Yet...surely knowing this, The New York Times asks him to resign and requests the senate to demand the same.
Alice in Wonderland?
Alice in Wonderland?
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Two news stories this week have shined a bright line on our country's feckless Supreme Court. This one and the one about Indiana's religious freedom law. Howl all you want about politicians, but there are five members of SCOTUS who deserve your scorn as well.
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The Senate should immediately conduct an ethics investigation, after all is said and done, it is their house that is under stain . McCarthy comes to mind. A criminal trial takes too long and it is the wrong standard. the world's most exclusive club has the tools to immediately start house cleaning.....I can't remember if the hearings are open??? If televised, the Senate could come out financially under budget? considering TV, Serializing, etc....
while the quid pro quo here does seem obvious, seedy, and illegal, we ARE talking about politics in the post-Citzens United era. I would hope that Menedez would be defeated in the next democratic primary, if he doesn't have the grace to bow out, but I am NOT anxious to give the far more corrupt Chris Christie the chance to fill the seat. I'd rather have a freely elected felon thank another Christie puppet. All of this pales compared to the Exxon case...
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What a hoot. The flagship of the ideological hard Left calls for menendez to resign. Think the NYT would call for an ideological comrade like Pelosi or Reid to resign under similar circumstances? Not in a million years.
What is driving the NYT in this case is the fact that menendez DARED to stray from the Party line. Most notably on Obama's iran nuke deal, and on the Cuba normalization issue.
THis is just one more example of the rigidity of the Left's leadership. Just like Marxism, you must follow the Party line 100%. Any deviation will be punished.
What is driving the NYT in this case is the fact that menendez DARED to stray from the Party line. Most notably on Obama's iran nuke deal, and on the Cuba normalization issue.
THis is just one more example of the rigidity of the Left's leadership. Just like Marxism, you must follow the Party line 100%. Any deviation will be punished.
Really? Try to even make a slight left turn in the Republican clown car and see what happens.
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Michael Kinsley famously wrote that “the scandal isn’t what’s illegal; the scandal is what’s legal.” Senator Menendez will have his day in court and then we will all learn whether the actions described in the indictment constituted one or more crimes.
Note that the senator does not dispute the facts. He is not saying “I did not do this;” he is saying “These are not crimes.”
But whether crimes or not, these actions are affronts to the ethics and dignity of the US Senate and the people of New Jersey whom he represents. Senator Menendez may not see all of this for what it is, but those of us without access to the levers of government power wear no such blinders.
The Times is right to call for his resignation, but for the wrong reason. Yes, he will be distracted by his legal battle and unable to serve effectively, but in this case the scandal is what’s legal.
Note that the senator does not dispute the facts. He is not saying “I did not do this;” he is saying “These are not crimes.”
But whether crimes or not, these actions are affronts to the ethics and dignity of the US Senate and the people of New Jersey whom he represents. Senator Menendez may not see all of this for what it is, but those of us without access to the levers of government power wear no such blinders.
The Times is right to call for his resignation, but for the wrong reason. Yes, he will be distracted by his legal battle and unable to serve effectively, but in this case the scandal is what’s legal.
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An entire article on someone who disagrees with Barack's socialism on a single point... while slobs like Obama, Holder, Clinton, Pelosi, Rangel, Conyers et al run amok. Really! And the NYT still calls itself a NEWS paper.
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Finally. A Times editorial I can agree with.
The timing of this indictment is suspicious. The brazen pattern of gifts was known well before the 2012 election. Of course Obama's justice department wouldn't risk staining the Democrat brand with an indictment at that time. It's only when Menendez has been vocal critic of the Administration's handling of foreign policy matter has he drawn the ire of the DOJ.
I'll hold my breath to see if similar indictments are pursued for Harry Reid.
I'll hold my breath to see if similar indictments are pursued for Harry Reid.
NY Times editorial board please do a similar hit piece on Harry Reid on how he became a multi millionaire from working exclusively in gov't.
so did Mitch McConnell. if we're going down that road, what about the congressional insider trading bill that never got to the floor for a vote?
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No NYT, Senator Menendez should not step down....Has Governor Cristy stepped down, no, & neither should the senator....
How about letting this play out in the courts before we tar & feather this good man...
How about letting this play out in the courts before we tar & feather this good man...
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As many readers assert, Mr. Menendez is innocent until proven guilty; until a jury found a verdict. That is true. But that is not the yardstick by which we must measure our elected officials.
Certainly my company does not measure the executives that way. We go through lengthy training to learn recognizing "red flags" what may constitute bribery. The "red flags" in Mr. Menedez case are heart stopping. Look at the billing to Medicare by the doctor, his friend. Eye popping.
There is slim chance that there is a reasonable ethical explanation for Mr. Menendez behavior. Ethics is the yardstick by which I judge my elected officials. He should step down. If he his is a matter for the courts.
Certainly my company does not measure the executives that way. We go through lengthy training to learn recognizing "red flags" what may constitute bribery. The "red flags" in Mr. Menedez case are heart stopping. Look at the billing to Medicare by the doctor, his friend. Eye popping.
There is slim chance that there is a reasonable ethical explanation for Mr. Menendez behavior. Ethics is the yardstick by which I judge my elected officials. He should step down. If he his is a matter for the courts.
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Menendez should step down, if only for the sake of the Senate, his colleagues, his family and his friends. Where there's the wisp of smoke from corruption there's fire. Bob Menendez is innocent till proven guilty, but stepping down at the same time as asserting that he has been honest in all his dealings with friends, and accepting their gifts, would make him less of a thorn in the rose of New Jersey politics. As Menendez avers -good friends are supposed to scratch each other's backs. Menendez is not yet a disgraced politician but his friendship with Dr. Melgen of Florida is the thin edge of the corruption wedge. Menendez's seat could be temporarily filled by Governor Christies until the Senator is cleared of all wrongdoing. Meanwhile, Happy Easter and Happy Passover to all.
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I hope Christie doesn't appoint one of his high school buddies like his Port Authority pal that put him in a lot of trouble.
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No one is allowed to disagree with Obama. But, we'll happily take a new GOP senator.
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A new GOP senator; can't wait. Now we'll really see more worthwhile legislation from the Republican Congress. The 1% will let loose their bowels in the excitement.
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The only reason senator Menendez is being brought up on ethics charges is he is opposed to Obama's policies in the Middle East. If Menendez goes down and Hillary Clinton never has to answer or her actions you tell me who is playing politics?
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I wonder how many commenters here have ever served on a Grand Jury.
Any who have know that the ONLY evidence presented to a Grand Jury is the Prosecutor's evidence. NO exculpatory evidence is presented or known to the Grand Jury.
The purpose of a Grand Jury is NOT to determine guilt but to decide if there is enough evidence to warrant an indictment AND a trial.
Yes, a trial!
The purpose of a trial is to cross-examine witnesses and subject evidence to close scrutiny.
The prosecutor makes an accusation.; that is ALL he (or she) does in an indictment.
Can we please remember we live in American where there are trials, judges and juries to determine guilt or innocence? A person is deemed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Newspapers, even ones as venerable as The New York Times, do not get to determine a person's guilt or innocence.
Any who have know that the ONLY evidence presented to a Grand Jury is the Prosecutor's evidence. NO exculpatory evidence is presented or known to the Grand Jury.
The purpose of a Grand Jury is NOT to determine guilt but to decide if there is enough evidence to warrant an indictment AND a trial.
Yes, a trial!
The purpose of a trial is to cross-examine witnesses and subject evidence to close scrutiny.
The prosecutor makes an accusation.; that is ALL he (or she) does in an indictment.
Can we please remember we live in American where there are trials, judges and juries to determine guilt or innocence? A person is deemed to be innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.
Newspapers, even ones as venerable as The New York Times, do not get to determine a person's guilt or innocence.
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So if he steps down his replacement gets picked by Gov. Time For Some Traffic Problems in Fort Lee? Wonderful.
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Ever hear of innocent until proven guilty? This is a political witch hunt like the IRS scandal perpetrated by a vindictive attorney general who only seems to prosecute those whose political ideology he disagrees with. From the administration's viewpoint Menendez is a turncoat supporting Israel over the president
I don't for one minute condone political cronyism and bribery, but it's rampant. Holder could just as well as indict the entire Congress, most of whom, like Charles Rangel, will be found innocent anyway. But he only indicts those who serve his political ends.
What is the entire Clinton Foundation if not political cronyism? Entire governments suddenly become benevolent and want to donate so that the Clintons can do good deeds?
Get real!
I don't for one minute condone political cronyism and bribery, but it's rampant. Holder could just as well as indict the entire Congress, most of whom, like Charles Rangel, will be found innocent anyway. But he only indicts those who serve his political ends.
What is the entire Clinton Foundation if not political cronyism? Entire governments suddenly become benevolent and want to donate so that the Clintons can do good deeds?
Get real!
How many senators would be in Menendez' shoes if they faced the same kind of scrutiny? The DOJ went after him withe same zeal with which they destroyed Ted Stevens. It's hard to believe a Democratic administration would pursue such a strategy given the party's disarray and the certainty that Governor Christie will play to his right-wing money men in appointing an interim. Payback for opposing the president's policy? Is thrre another explanation?
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I must congratulate the editorial board of the NY Times. It has composed a reasonable, cogent and clear explanation for why Sen. Menendez should not remain in his current position. And then, delightfully, the piece ends with the suggestion that Chris Christie devise a way to "let voters choose a successor who, ideally, would come into office without questionable friend."
And that suggestion, which put the name Chris Christie and the term "questionable friends" in the same sentence was offered without the slightest hint of irony. Nicely done.
And that suggestion, which put the name Chris Christie and the term "questionable friends" in the same sentence was offered without the slightest hint of irony. Nicely done.
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Done in by (among other freebies) his need for a limestone tub and an enclosed rain shower! These two-bit pols can be purchased for so little. It would be comic if it weren't such a pathetic commentary on the grasping material insecurity of so many politicians. You can buy them off for pennies on the C-Note!
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Many of the comments to this article claim that the "presumption of innocence" precludes the Times from expressing an opinion as to whether the Senator should step down. But that is absurd. "Innocent until proven guilty" only applies to a criminal trial. (Otherwise, prosecutors couldn't even charge someone without convicting them first!) It does not preclude people from expressing their opinion about someone's guilt, or from calling upon a Senator to resign. The prosecutors have issued detailed allegations. Even if ultimately insufficient to convict the Senator beyond a reasonable doubt, there is enough here to call on the Senator to step down.
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Contrary to the at once naive but also transparently cynical belief of the pro-money justices of the U.S. Supreme Court like the foolish and foolhardy Justice Kennedy, money is the sewage system of politics and this is the kind of stuff that flows through the political sewers. Those who ride its flow should drown in it and so should their careers.
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The level of Melgen's largesse transcends any claims of friendship. There was much more going on than mere friendship.
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If we leave an elected human being in Washington D.C. long enough, this is what happens to them. Secondly, if there ever was an argument against unlimited gifts to politicians, this is it. Senator Menendez's "friend" stole 9 million dollars of our money, yet The Department of Health gets a phone from Menlendez asking them to do what? Whoever received that call should be able to recall what was asked of them. If it was drop the case, then Menendez should spend most of the rest of his life in prison with his good friend the dentist; however, his friend the good dentist didn't get thrown in jail, but goes on to win a huge contract for port security in his home country and his girlfriends can come and go to America whenever the good doctor needs a hug thanks to his buddy Senator Menendez. It just makes you want to go outside and scream.
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Money and politics are the Siame twin in Washington. The only thing Menendez may be guilty of is he allows prosecution to take place which makes him the fall guy for the same practice everyone in Washington is involved in.
We seem to excuse political corruption whenever possible. Rep. Charles Rangel is still in Congress despite many proven charges, including not reporting income on a property he owned in the Dominican Republic, a country Sen. Menendez also seems to have a interest in. Why a New Jersey Senator spent so much time and political capital on behalf of a Florida eye surgeon, including lobbying for the doctor's business interests in the Dominican Republic, just doesn't pass the smell test.
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He's corrupt: he goes. So, too, should every other Congressman and Congresswoman who has accepted kick-backs. We need a total clear out in Washington. Then, perhaps, we can start to receive some honest government from the un-bought.
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I find it fascinating that under the Constitution one is presumed innocent until proven guilty -- Unless the Obama administration is the accuser.
The NYT is once again carrying water for Obama. It should have the decency to await a verdict before it unsheathes the pitchforks and torches.
The NYT is once again carrying water for Obama. It should have the decency to await a verdict before it unsheathes the pitchforks and torches.
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That's correct. It should not run under the same rules as a Republican headed subcommittee.
Your editors seem to be under the delusion that a federal indictment is a recitation of established facts. It is not! We have seen many examples in recent years of elaborate federal cases collapsing like wet cardboard when exposed to a vigorous defense, and several other high-profile cases have collapsed because of gross misconduct by federal prosecutors.
The prosecutors can claim whatever they want. To date, they have proven nothing. Senator Menendez has no reason to even consider resignation
The prosecutors can claim whatever they want. To date, they have proven nothing. Senator Menendez has no reason to even consider resignation
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New jersey has a history of Senators Behaving poorly and leaving office in disgrace. The U.S. attorneys office also has been seen before withholding key information and unfairly prosecuting office holders. It is ironic that the indictments are issued shortly after the Senator criticized the pending negotiations with Iran. Seems to me the Senator should get a fair trial as politics , past improprieties and Justice play out.
What about innocent until proven guilty? The presumption of innocence includes being allowed to continue your life and your work as before until an adverse criminal resolution. I'm surprised at The NY Times effectively imposing a penalty on an individual who, under the law, simply stands accused. I would add that there is no mention in this editorial of the anti-corruption work Senator Menendez did throughout most of his career. He will be defined by more than this current matter.
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The trial should go on. Let's get all the details laid out for us.
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HONESTLY, IF THAT INDICTMENT IS ALL THAT THEY HAVE on Senator Menendez -- and I am NOT a fan of his -- even if it all is true, it sure smells like Obama/Holder is persecuting him, because he has been a critic of the Obama administration in (only, really) a few areas.
Obama has been a disaster as a president so far (although much, much better than his Republican alternatives would have been, for sure). But in the last couple of months, it looks like Obama may be doing some good things... hopefully because he is thinking about the utterly lousy way history will remember him. Doing a deal with Iran may turn out to be one of the good things.
Stopping all this persecuting of Senator Menendez, and then Asange and Snowden and Manning would be another good thing Obama could do.
Obama has been a disaster as a president so far (although much, much better than his Republican alternatives would have been, for sure). But in the last couple of months, it looks like Obama may be doing some good things... hopefully because he is thinking about the utterly lousy way history will remember him. Doing a deal with Iran may turn out to be one of the good things.
Stopping all this persecuting of Senator Menendez, and then Asange and Snowden and Manning would be another good thing Obama could do.
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If the Senator did what he did simply because the doctor he was doing it for was a friend, doesn't that kind of make it even worse? The again, isn't that the way they operate in the land of Tony Soprano? If goodfella Bob does exit the stage, which of Governor Krispiecreme's friends will get the gig?
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Did the Times see the indictment against Senator Ted Stevens? You'd think by now we'd all read DOJ indictments with a jaundiced eye and not as if they are handed down by God on tablets from Mt. Sinai. A federal indictment is the last thing in the world one should take at face value. Menendez wants his day in court and he's entitled to it.
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Perhaps Mr. Menendez does not think that anything he did was criminal. That is for a jury to decide --and he needs to remind himself that it is not to the Department of Justice nor the FBI who, dictatorially, are indicting him. It is instead, the decision of our peers, American common-folk impaneled in a Grand Jury, those who chose that there is sufficient evidence to indict for bribe, fraud, and corruption in a systematic pattern, over years.
Clearly everything described in the indictment is without a doubt unethical, and is an insult to the Senate, given he failed to disclose his gifts as mandated by the Senate's ethics rules to say the least, and to his constituents --given he felt his job was to maximize the profits of a Floridian first-- and to all Americans that do not have a friend like Mr. Menendez advocating for letting millions of overpayments sit on private hands.
Mr. Menendez needs to follow the example of Rep. Aaron Shock and resign his office right away. Not only his actions, but his lack of contrition, demand no less.
Clearly everything described in the indictment is without a doubt unethical, and is an insult to the Senate, given he failed to disclose his gifts as mandated by the Senate's ethics rules to say the least, and to his constituents --given he felt his job was to maximize the profits of a Floridian first-- and to all Americans that do not have a friend like Mr. Menendez advocating for letting millions of overpayments sit on private hands.
Mr. Menendez needs to follow the example of Rep. Aaron Shock and resign his office right away. Not only his actions, but his lack of contrition, demand no less.
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Chicago style ward politics writ large with plausible deniability by the President and his Chief Law enforcement operative, Holder. Mendez might indeed be guilty. But if he is, then what is Hilary to be judged on, after she sold her soul to foreign entities?
The indictment describes Menendez working with a "Senator 3" in trying to convince HHS leaders to reverse their finding tbat Dr. Melgen had overbilled Medicare. The indictment also states Dr. Melgen made political donations to Menendez and Senator 3's super pac. The indictment does not state whether Senator 3 attended a meeting with Menendez and Kathleen Sebellius for the purpose of persuading Sebellius to reverse the overbilling ruling, but many news accounts state Senator 3 was in attendance.
Senator 3 was not indicted. Perhaps there was not enough evidence.
This NY Times reports discusses Menendez, Melgen, and Senator 3.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/us/politics/robert-menendez-indictment...
Senator 3 was not indicted. Perhaps there was not enough evidence.
This NY Times reports discusses Menendez, Melgen, and Senator 3.
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/04/03/us/politics/robert-menendez-indictment...
I don't understand - Melendez has been corrupt for years - and noted by the same NYTimes when they endorsed him. Now, because he's indicted, you call for his resignation?
What would have happened if he remained corrupt and NOT been indicted?
That's right - you'd have happily defended and endorsed him again.
What would have happened if he remained corrupt and NOT been indicted?
That's right - you'd have happily defended and endorsed him again.
Given the paucity of evidence against him and given the history of misconduct by these prosecutors, I would say he SHOULD NOT RESIGN!
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So they think that they have caught one. Big deal. Mr. Holder's department has been remiss on hundreds of others in the Wall Street/Capitol Hill axis. But then Mr. Holder has been distracted by his preparations to join them.
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"Outrage is fitting in this case — for anyone who reads the indictment." Excuse me, but a federal indictment in a case like this is a novella designed to inflame the public. Senator Menendez does not get a role in questioning its drafts, nor do the prosecutors drafting it care what his version of the story is. It is based on evidence dragged out of witnesses led by the nose in front of a grand jury, and FBI agents who are never questioned by any but friendly lawyers a part time grand jurors.
After what happened to Ted Stevens, the NYTimes should know better. We have no idea what information the Justice Department may be holding back, or what arrows Senator mended has in his quiver. That's why we have trials. Senator Menendez and the people who voted for him deserve to have the process play out.
After what happened to Ted Stevens, the NYTimes should know better. We have no idea what information the Justice Department may be holding back, or what arrows Senator mended has in his quiver. That's why we have trials. Senator Menendez and the people who voted for him deserve to have the process play out.
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Why should he resign? What makes him any different then the other arrogant, clueless, unapologetic, teflon politicians that seem to predominate congress.
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Was it a coincidence – a Justice Department indictment and discrediting, of the most powerful Democratic Senatorial opponent of the President’s Iran policy - just as the controversial deal is being consummated? And the Times' call for his resignation?
Menendez had accused the Administration of getting its talking points “straight out of Iran”. His Corker-Menendez Bill requires immediate congressional review of an Iran deal. Menendez, and other congressional opponents of Iran, were even accused by the President of facing pressure from donors - to which Menendez took “personal offense”!
Whatever the apparent merits of the case against Menendez, its timing and its target give the appearance of an abuse of government power, with its unfortunate effect of chilling dissent against Administration policies.
Menendez had accused the Administration of getting its talking points “straight out of Iran”. His Corker-Menendez Bill requires immediate congressional review of an Iran deal. Menendez, and other congressional opponents of Iran, were even accused by the President of facing pressure from donors - to which Menendez took “personal offense”!
Whatever the apparent merits of the case against Menendez, its timing and its target give the appearance of an abuse of government power, with its unfortunate effect of chilling dissent against Administration policies.
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One could also argue that Senator Menendez' efforts to sabotage everything of importance to President Obama was done in an effort to inoculate the senator from being prosecuted, the political vendetta defense.
Sounds like a bulletin from Fox News world. But why complain? The Menendez indictment beats having to talk about Indiana's bogus "religious freedom" law.
Expecting Menendez to act honorably is a stretch. He will continue to whine, pretend to be the victim, and remain a disgrace to the citizens of New Jersey.
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First the verdict and then the trial!
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Gonna be one of the few that don't think they have enough to convict. When a guy pays for a two room suite and shares it with you, that's not a bribe, that's friends. The Senator also wasn't even effective in helping his friend, but still received the contributions, that's the opposite of how bribes work, well almost. Also, wouldn't a friend help you get hot bimbos in from another country?
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Sen. Menendez was not afraid to oppose Republicans and fellow Democrats on national security and foreign relationship issues. He opposed Obama's strategy on Cuba, Israel and Iran (among other things). He supports democracy and sovereignty of Ukraine. His push for a stronger US defense and foreign policy is to be admired.
And now somebody really wants him out. And that "somebody" is not a good person...
There are so many senators that lobby big corporations (e.g. GMO produce, oil companies, etc). Those senators get huge paybacks. That's where you should start when fighting corrupt senators!
Think about it, Menendez and that doctor (and their families) were friends for 20 years. So what, Menendez wrote a letter to facilitate getting a travel Visa for his friend? Anybody can write a letter of support to a US consulate (it's a part of Visa application)
If this is the case of corruption, where are all the other people that did similar money/favors deals with Menendez? E.g. a corrupted police officer may take bribes from all stores in the neighborhood and cover local gangs.
A senator has so much more power. He could have bribed so many rich people from different industries/cities. Instead it's the only 1 person, who is also a friend of Mendez for 20 years.
What a joke, this public display of justice is just to get rid of Menendez, to get him out of the way, nothing else
And now somebody really wants him out. And that "somebody" is not a good person...
There are so many senators that lobby big corporations (e.g. GMO produce, oil companies, etc). Those senators get huge paybacks. That's where you should start when fighting corrupt senators!
Think about it, Menendez and that doctor (and their families) were friends for 20 years. So what, Menendez wrote a letter to facilitate getting a travel Visa for his friend? Anybody can write a letter of support to a US consulate (it's a part of Visa application)
If this is the case of corruption, where are all the other people that did similar money/favors deals with Menendez? E.g. a corrupted police officer may take bribes from all stores in the neighborhood and cover local gangs.
A senator has so much more power. He could have bribed so many rich people from different industries/cities. Instead it's the only 1 person, who is also a friend of Mendez for 20 years.
What a joke, this public display of justice is just to get rid of Menendez, to get him out of the way, nothing else
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"He could have bribed so many rich people from different industries/cities." Yes, he could have, but you forget he's neither Ukrainian nor Russian.
all politicians do this
taking jobs as lobbyists in industries after they leave office, after having favored that industry while in office
that is much worse- bc it impacts entire policy matters
as usual, the big items get ignored while the lawmakers point fingers at the little stuff to dstract from the "man behind the curtain"
and as usual media goes along with the distract
nyt when will you use your vast collective intelligence to look beyond this and really reveal what is going on with politicians becoming lobbyists and taking vacations on jets with influential donors---
yes, one commenter said it's okay to accept gifts as long as it's not quid pro quo... but that is really just a shell game..... the law is too soft and deliberately allows rides on private jets and similar practices... which grant access and potentially impacts laws and policy
eliminate all rides on jets, vacations, golf, future jobs as lobbyists. and stop blowing smoke
taking jobs as lobbyists in industries after they leave office, after having favored that industry while in office
that is much worse- bc it impacts entire policy matters
as usual, the big items get ignored while the lawmakers point fingers at the little stuff to dstract from the "man behind the curtain"
and as usual media goes along with the distract
nyt when will you use your vast collective intelligence to look beyond this and really reveal what is going on with politicians becoming lobbyists and taking vacations on jets with influential donors---
yes, one commenter said it's okay to accept gifts as long as it's not quid pro quo... but that is really just a shell game..... the law is too soft and deliberately allows rides on private jets and similar practices... which grant access and potentially impacts laws and policy
eliminate all rides on jets, vacations, golf, future jobs as lobbyists. and stop blowing smoke
Democracy and representative government in order to remain strong must have a strong element of virtue built into its fabric.When such an element is lacking;the fabric can become unwoven.
The Editorial Board of the New York Times should be ashamed. An indictment is not a finding of guilt; it is not proof of a crime; indeed, it is not a proof of anything. In fact, an indictment is merely an accusation by the prosecution and grand jury which now has to be proved in a court of law. What ever happened to the principle of "innocent until proven guilty"? How many high profile trials do we have to have in this country in which a damning-sounding indictment resulted in a not guilty verdict at trial, before we stopped taking the prosecution's version of the facts as the gospel. I would have expected better from the nation's paper of record.
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A sleaze is a sleaze......no matter which political party. The voters of NJ should demand this sleaze step down. If not, we in the other 49 have to assume this is the kind of representation you value.
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This is only happening because Menendez is one of the few non millionaires in the Senate. He ranked 97 out of 100 senators.
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I am a democrat but I do not wish to protect our percentage in the Senate for a person that has obviously betrayed the trust. Knowing as I do, as a former prosecutor, that the more salacious details wouldn't be in there if they weren't based on documentary evidence, I would hope that Menendez resigns and no longer taints the party
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Yeah, forget innocent until proven guilty thing. The prosecutors said he did it in an indictment so just like Ted Stevens, it must be true. Unless it's not and the Constitution is in a little more tatters because it was easier to believe the Obama Justice Department despite years of evidence to the contrary.
I don't expect Sen Menendez to be convicted. After all, he and the wealthy majority of Legislators authorized the loopholes in the ethics laws he'll use in his defense. Nope, perhaps the best we can expect is that he will spend much time and money and endure much grief in the process. If you can't convict, bleed 'em! That is a sad and unfortunate way justice is sometimes served these days.
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No offense, as I certainly respect the editorial board of the New York Times, but are you guys crazy? Why should a Democratic Senator Menendez step down from his office when New Jersey has a Republican Governor? Have you really thought through the impact of having Governor Christie appoint the next New Jersey Senator? And what about innocent until proven guilty? Give us a break!!!
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@ JTatEHT - "Why should a Democratic Senator Menendez step down from his office when New Jersey has a Republican Governor?"
No offense, but do you really want to sacrifice justice on the alter of petty partisan politics?
No offense, but do you really want to sacrifice justice on the alter of petty partisan politics?
From the available evidence, it appears Senator Menendez has a lot to anwer for. If convicted, he should be punished to the full extent of the law.
But he has not yet been convicted.
I have very mixed feelings about whether he should step down prior to conviction, which would effectively end his career. He is entitled to his day in court, as strong as the case against him seems.
It will be up to the Senate to determine whether or not he may continue to serve.
But he has not yet been convicted.
I have very mixed feelings about whether he should step down prior to conviction, which would effectively end his career. He is entitled to his day in court, as strong as the case against him seems.
It will be up to the Senate to determine whether or not he may continue to serve.
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I think Robert Menendez should resign immediately, as should the rest of the House and Senate. Politicians exchange political favors for money all the time. Why don't we have smart, talented, hard-working people running our country? Instead we're stuck with a bunch of idiots and slobs who can't get anything done.
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Add the president and vice to the list and we have a deal.
The shady FL doctor and the NJ Senator who demands a "limestone bath with soaking tub." Reality mirroring a Carl Hiaasen book.
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Menendez should resign, Christie should appoint a placeholder and then schedule an election in the very near future, which he is sure to win. Menendez is out and Christie is no longer in the Presidential race. Problem solved.
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We need not be surprised that Senator Menendez responds with indignation, even outrage. How often have politicians, or non-politicians for that matter, caught with their hands in the cookie jar, owned up to their misdeeds? If anyone remembers, please remind us so that we need be consumed by cynicism. It's just not in the nature of humans. And in politics, that goes for Democrats as well as Republicans. If true, it's sad and a betrayal of public trust. And then yes, he should step down. But that will take a measure of self-reflection, for which Mr. Menendez is not likely to be ready.
Menendez does indeed seem to be ethically reprehensible as well as selfishly egomaniacal, but these are common afflictions among his fellow politicians and he has very right to demand his day in court, and to resist callls for his resignation from the Times and elsewhere until and unless he is is found guilty. To argue that indictment alone should be cause for the resignation of an elected legislator is to concede far too much power to the executive branch. That power can and has often been abused for ideological or simple muscle-flexing reasons. Look at Justice's recent Ted Stevens mess, for starters. Sen. Stevens may also have been ethically challenged, but does not appear to have been guilty beyond reasonable doubt of what he was charged. Let Menendez stand trial as a sitting Senator. It's actually good for the Republic.
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Yes, it looks bad for Senator Menendez, who in many ways has served the state (NJ) well, but who may be guilty of crimes. That's what we're going to find out. But it doesn't look good for him.
And it looks bad for the people of NJ, who will probably end up losing a lot of money in the whole deal, as well as their elected senator. When Governor Christie called the special election to fill the late Senator Lautenberg's seat, it cost the taxpayers of NJ $24 million. Now he (Christie) could have waited three weeks and included that item in the general election, but that's not the way he rolls. You see, Governor Christie's a big spender in his own way and for his own purposes. (Although not for the purpose of pothole repair or infrastructure maintenance, in general. Or pensions.)
One thing I wonder about is the Citizen-Corporations. When they spend their gazillions to influence an election with free-flowing hors d'oeuvres and alcohol for the wealthy and misleading ads for the rest of us, and most of the candidates they support are office-holders or become office-holders, this activity is legal, why? They certainly expect something in return. Also, why are the relevant Supreme Court justices not found guilty of a crime for the Citizens United decision?
I don't excuse Sen. Menendez, if he is found guilty. He should be held accountable. But you can see I'm in a very bad mood about this.
And it looks bad for the people of NJ, who will probably end up losing a lot of money in the whole deal, as well as their elected senator. When Governor Christie called the special election to fill the late Senator Lautenberg's seat, it cost the taxpayers of NJ $24 million. Now he (Christie) could have waited three weeks and included that item in the general election, but that's not the way he rolls. You see, Governor Christie's a big spender in his own way and for his own purposes. (Although not for the purpose of pothole repair or infrastructure maintenance, in general. Or pensions.)
One thing I wonder about is the Citizen-Corporations. When they spend their gazillions to influence an election with free-flowing hors d'oeuvres and alcohol for the wealthy and misleading ads for the rest of us, and most of the candidates they support are office-holders or become office-holders, this activity is legal, why? They certainly expect something in return. Also, why are the relevant Supreme Court justices not found guilty of a crime for the Citizens United decision?
I don't excuse Sen. Menendez, if he is found guilty. He should be held accountable. But you can see I'm in a very bad mood about this.
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When the investigations into the shenanigans of this senator were going on, the Times, with all its resources, should have known that his actions were not just 'ethical lapses' as you characterized them in your endorsement editorial. Either you did not know or you chose to get a Dem re-elected, 'ethical lapses' aka fraudulent activities, notwithstanding.
Looks like the editors have contrition now long before the fallen senator ever will.
Looks like the editors have contrition now long before the fallen senator ever will.
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@ Sonny Pitchumani - "...shenanigans of this senator were going on, the Times, with all its resources, should have known that his actions were not just 'ethical lapses' as you characterized them in your endorsement editorial."
In the NYT Democrats have 'ethical lapses' while Republicans are corrupt.
In the NYT Democrats have 'ethical lapses' while Republicans are corrupt.
I am am a consistently Democratic Party voter. However, when any politician from either side of the aisle determines that his needs exceed those of his constituents--and sometimes that law as well--he or she should go.
Pimping for a rich Florida doctor who got rich by stealing from Medicare in return for luxury vacations and donations seems more than a bit over the line. Government offices do not report unseemly (and likely illegal) pressure unless there is such pressure. The trips were actually taken (and not reported). This is more than enough for me. Resign.
In my very blue state, we have lost a couple of State Senators to various illegal ethical lapses (including gun-running) in the recent past. Our local Democrats had no trouble encouraging resignations despite the fact that the senators were also Democrats.
As Barry Goldwater said when asked for the Republican position on Whitewater back in the day: "I don't believe there is a Republican position on burglary." Punishing ethical misbehavior should not be a partisan activity.
Politicians who step over the line should be condemned. It works best if their fellow party members pay a key role. However, fake issues (Benghazi, Whitewater...) are themselves examples of ethical lapses by the accusers, not the accused--and should also be condemned, including by your vote.
Pimping for a rich Florida doctor who got rich by stealing from Medicare in return for luxury vacations and donations seems more than a bit over the line. Government offices do not report unseemly (and likely illegal) pressure unless there is such pressure. The trips were actually taken (and not reported). This is more than enough for me. Resign.
In my very blue state, we have lost a couple of State Senators to various illegal ethical lapses (including gun-running) in the recent past. Our local Democrats had no trouble encouraging resignations despite the fact that the senators were also Democrats.
As Barry Goldwater said when asked for the Republican position on Whitewater back in the day: "I don't believe there is a Republican position on burglary." Punishing ethical misbehavior should not be a partisan activity.
Politicians who step over the line should be condemned. It works best if their fellow party members pay a key role. However, fake issues (Benghazi, Whitewater...) are themselves examples of ethical lapses by the accusers, not the accused--and should also be condemned, including by your vote.
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What's with New Jersey? It's history of corrupt politicians goes back farther than I do, and that's saying something.
It used to be said that Mexico's problem was that it was "so close to the United States and so far from God." I guess you can similarly say Jersey's problem is that it is "so close to New York City and so far from God."
Guilty until proven innocent!
Crucify him!
Etc.
Come on, Editorial Board. Maybe if he were a Republican ...
Crucify him!
Etc.
Come on, Editorial Board. Maybe if he were a Republican ...
Very appropriate comment on this day.
He should not step down. This display of SuperPac bribery should be on full display.
I'm ambivalent. Shouldn't he be proven guilty before we toss him aside?
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While I agree that bribery and corruption are wrong, and should be illegal and punished as a deterrent to protect the public and the legitimacy of our political system, it seems that there is too fine a line between the indictment of Mr. Menendez, and the legalized bribery and corruption that thrives under Citizens United and money in politics generally. In fact, the legalized corruption is worse, at least from the standpoint of the legitimacy of our political system, precisely because it is legal.
When Citizens United is overturned, I’ll get upset over corruption indictments. Until then, I see the indictment as much ado over nothing, relative to our legalized corruption.
When Citizens United is overturned, I’ll get upset over corruption indictments. Until then, I see the indictment as much ado over nothing, relative to our legalized corruption.
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I am glad we have a vigilant DoJ.
No, Menendez should stand fast, not resign and fight these flimsy politically motivated charges. Hiz resignation is what the Administration is after. He will prevail. These charges attempt to criminalize friendship and campaign contributions. Did Menendez stuff his pockets with cash like the Abscam defendants? No. Did he rake in millions in legal fees for doing no legal work like Shelly Silver is accused of doing? No. Did he profit personally big time for steering a lucrative city contract to a favored company who paid them kickbacks like former Queens and Bronx Democrati c bosses once did? No. Did the FBI find tens of thousands of dollars in cash bribes in his home freezer like a recently disgraced Louisiana Congressman? No. The charges against Menendez frankly balony. Hang in there, Senator.
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I think Senator Menendez should take down a few of the Democrats with him. He must know plenty. Go to trial and let it come out and don't resign your seat if you are innocent.
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There was that meeting with HHS Secretary Sebelius where Reid and Menendez were advocating for Melgin. I'm sure the republicans would have a field day with that.
C'mon this isn't so bad.
Why big banks and other corporations are donating millions now to campaigns. So what he got a free plane ride and stayed in a few fancy hotels.
This is a drop in the bucket.... stop wasting tax payer money on this garbage.
Why big banks and other corporations are donating millions now to campaigns. So what he got a free plane ride and stayed in a few fancy hotels.
This is a drop in the bucket.... stop wasting tax payer money on this garbage.
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Finally a bit of exposing the corruption in our government. Menendez was only doing what is SOP in DC. We need to clear DC of lobbyist and crackdown on corrupt politicians by sending them to prison. That is the only way they will cleanup their corrupt behavior. Finally, sunshine is the best disinfectant for corruption in politics. Therefore, Citizens United needs to be repealed and the PAC's need to be outlawed. We need simple traceability of money going into politicians election campaign coffers. Even better, no private money should go into elections, only public money that is easy to trace. Our system is rotten to the core. Only systemic change will change it for the better.
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"Gov. Chris Christie would have a range of options to fill the seat temporarily until a new election could be held. If that happens, Mr. Christie should find the speediest way possible to let voters choose a successor who, ideally, would come into office without questionable friends."
You are kidding right. Christie will appoint a rightwing nut, take his time as to any election; the Dems lose another seat. We cannot afford to lose another Dem seat. He has not been found guilty of anything.
"Gov. Chris Christie would have a range of options to fill the seat temporarily until a new election could be held. If that happens, Mr. Christie should find the speediest way possible to let voters choose a successor who, ideally, would come into office without questionable friends."
You are kidding right. Christie will appoint a rightwing nut, take his time as to any election; the Dems lose another seat. We cannot afford to lose another Dem seat. He has not been found guilty of anything.
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What ever happened to innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?
I don't recall The New York Times demanding that Gov. Christie step down despite all the stuff he's been accused of doing.
Why the hostility toward Sen. Menendez?
I don't recall The New York Times demanding that Gov. Christie step down despite all the stuff he's been accused of doing.
Why the hostility toward Sen. Menendez?
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Did anyone drive through Newark lately, how about Paterson or perhaps Camden? You would think that Menendez has enough on his plate and not worry about bathtubs in Paris, someone's girlfriend or villas in DR.
Pretty creepy!
Pretty creepy!
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http://www.istandwithbob.com/
For all those who want to defend the Senator, there's your website.
The front page is full of other politicians defending the actions described in this denouncement and call for resignation. That includes his fellow New Jersey Senator Cory Booker (“Our system of justice is designed to be fair and impartial, and it presumes innocence before guilt. I won’t waver in my commitment to stand alongside my senior Senator to serve our great state") and Jersey City's #1 lover of residential towers that are taller than those in New York, Major Stephen Fulop (“The Senator has been a voice on international issues that has kept NJ safe, and has been an advocate for issues that impact working families in NJ every single day.”)
I, on the other hand, am quite happy to see the New York Times call for his resignation and I agree with all points made. There's no reason to stretch out the agony here for New Jersey voters.
For all those who want to defend the Senator, there's your website.
The front page is full of other politicians defending the actions described in this denouncement and call for resignation. That includes his fellow New Jersey Senator Cory Booker (“Our system of justice is designed to be fair and impartial, and it presumes innocence before guilt. I won’t waver in my commitment to stand alongside my senior Senator to serve our great state") and Jersey City's #1 lover of residential towers that are taller than those in New York, Major Stephen Fulop (“The Senator has been a voice on international issues that has kept NJ safe, and has been an advocate for issues that impact working families in NJ every single day.”)
I, on the other hand, am quite happy to see the New York Times call for his resignation and I agree with all points made. There's no reason to stretch out the agony here for New Jersey voters.
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Bob Menendez turned RAT on his boss Billy Musto in Union City NJ, now the FEDS are pressuring Bob's buddy to turn RAT on Menendez. Ain't life grand!
Menendez saw this coming, that's why he became an anti-Obama on foreign affairs so he can point to his anti-Obama positions as cause for his problems with the DOJ. You know, the DOJ organization is non-political in all things.
A pox on both their houses.
Menendez saw this coming, that's why he became an anti-Obama on foreign affairs so he can point to his anti-Obama positions as cause for his problems with the DOJ. You know, the DOJ organization is non-political in all things.
A pox on both their houses.
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The DOJ's going after Menendez has a sleazy feel to it. One gets the feeling that nasty democratic infighting is occurring underneath it all.
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For a Democrat senator to be indicted by a Democrat Administration that is shorthanded in the Senate speaks volume of the Menendez case. I hope for everyone's sake (his constituents, his family, the Senate and his party), Senator Mendenez will resign and cut a deal ASAP.
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The NYTs was also wrong in NOT telling Americans that they were being spied on by their own government. After it was far too late, they began to print the story without an apology.
You have to wonder with the WSJ and it's 40% of printed Opinon Pages proselytizing the conservative agenda, and the NYTs consistently bashing Democrats, there is no hope for average Americans.
There is just the media's dystopian worldview.
You have to wonder with the WSJ and it's 40% of printed Opinon Pages proselytizing the conservative agenda, and the NYTs consistently bashing Democrats, there is no hope for average Americans.
There is just the media's dystopian worldview.
Seems to me this guy is a suitable Senator for two of the most corrupt States. New Jersey and Florida.
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Luckily for all of us, we live in a country where editors of the New York Times do not get to decide who stays in office.
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It is an unavoidable optic today, to see the news "split screen" of Menendez pleading and Kerry announcing a strong, landmark framework agreement with Iran. One guesses the actions of men eventually take them different places, eh?
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While he may choose to do so, I thought the idea was Innocent Until Proven Guilty. I'd much rather see Harry Reid step down after blatantly lying and feeling proud of it. Melendez aside, why no editorial condemning Senator Reid?
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Feds may want to look into these solar deals
http://www.menendez.senate.gov/news-and-events/press/menendez-unveils-gl...
http://www.menendez.senate.gov/news-and-events/press/menendez-unveils-gl...
9 million in over payments and they wonder why medicare is going broke it's not the funding it's the thievery.
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According to the editorial board, an elected official who has been indicted for a crime should step down before being convicted because he will be too distracted to adequately represent his constituents. If that is the case, would it not also be appropriate for elected officials to resign from office when they run for other political offices?
It would be a sort of term limits if politicians had to give up their current seats in order to seek higher office. There would be some recycling for those who lost and then re-sought their old offices, but they'd be doing the running on their own ticket.
It would be a sort of term limits if politicians had to give up their current seats in order to seek higher office. There would be some recycling for those who lost and then re-sought their old offices, but they'd be doing the running on their own ticket.
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And give Chris Christie the power to appoint the new senator who, by the way, could be Chris Christie? Bad idea.
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I haven't heard anything so far that doesn't sound like day-to-day lobbying.
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Read the indictment. I am currently a federal grand juror for the same type of corruption in another jurisdiction. I would not vote for an indictment in this case without hearing all of the testimony, but just from reading the indictment it's pretty clear they have him. He did it. He needs to go.
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Thanks, I believe you. But it still doesn't sound like much different than what goes on every day for lobbyists?
Lobbyists give money, take them on trips, and expect something in return.
I am not defending Mr. Mendez.
I am criticizing what looks like legalized bribery to me.
Lobbyists give money, take them on trips, and expect something in return.
I am not defending Mr. Mendez.
I am criticizing what looks like legalized bribery to me.
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Come on people! I can't believe you don't see what's happening right in front of your noses. Menendez dared to challenge Obama's foreign policy on Cuba and Iran, so the administration has the DOJ pull out his file. The charges are merely a pretext for taking vindictive action against a Democrat who dares challenge the party line. Full stop. Commenters should be discussing the heavy-handed tactics of the Obama administration, because that's the main story.
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One more example of the Obama admin and their selective history of indictment. Menendez, a vocal critic of Obama's Israel and Iran machinations gets indicted. Lois Lerner of the IRS who perjured herself before the Senate committee inquiring into the convenient disappearance of her computer's hard drive relating to her role in targeting Repubicans prior to the 2012 election,is not.
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Let's not be shocked campers. Legal bribery is the only fact of life in Wash. D.C. Can the feds prove that M crossed a line?
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Why hasn't the Times made a similar request of Christ Christie and Andrew Cuomo, both of whom have egregiously abused their power?
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He does a good "scorned politician" on the TV. Daytime Emmy material.
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Well the alternative is that Christie appoints a conservative that would help his presidential run rather than the people of NJ.
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"Innocent until proven guilty" is a better doctrine to judge Menendez than self-righteous knee-jerk indignation.
"...questionable friends."? As if Mr. Christie has not hired and been advised by people of questionable character.
"...questionable friends."? As if Mr. Christie has not hired and been advised by people of questionable character.
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You may as well demand the entire Congress resign. Until the laws change so the grotesque concept that rich people buying politicians is "free speech" this is business as usual, and the public be damned.
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I don't see him sacrificing school kids' futures for campaing money from wealthy people who have to pay less taxes, as his Republican counterparts are doing everywhere (most egregiously in Kansas...). This is may be a little sleazier but what do we lose by his getting that eye doctor's girlfriend a visa? And since overseeing a 1.7 Billion Mediare fraud does not a man prevent from being the governor of Florida, I find help with negotiating the aftermath of 9 Mio overbilling (how did that even work?) not that bad. And these charges are never ever gonna stick. How would they be able to show tit for tat unless the doctor guy is pressured into a "confession"? This Times Editorial is as far as they are ever gonna get. I wish all of the Senators only had one "benefactor" (and nobody from the defense industry), it would make the system less corrupt.
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This is another sad case of a corrupt official from my home state. What is it about New Jersey that breeds so much of these crooked politicians? His interests have always lied elsewhere than NJ. Sadly he was bought by money in Miami. This itself speaks of the interest Mr Mennendez consumed himself with. There's a place at club Fed in his future.
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Why does the NYT call for Menendez to resign now. Whatever happened to the presumption of innocence?
The Senator has plead not guilty. He is entitled to his day in court and our system considers him innocent until proven guilty.
Resignation at this time is a wrongheaded recommendation The NYT Editors are being premature in calling for it.
The Senator has plead not guilty. He is entitled to his day in court and our system considers him innocent until proven guilty.
Resignation at this time is a wrongheaded recommendation The NYT Editors are being premature in calling for it.
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Wait. So it is perfectly fine according to Citizens United for Super PACs, multibillionaires, and other very wealthy people, including legal persons to "contribute" tens of millions of dollars to senators' political campaigns and for the candidates and incumbents to accept them. And the editiorial board infers that those "persons" do not expect a quid quo pro? Really? And who lives in the land of make believe?
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There is absolutely nothing new here. For years, even his own staff, knew of his 'closed eyes' and 'open palms'. They knew not to ask questions or ever raise these issues with Menendez.
Rotten and corrupt to the core. Hopefully he will be found guilty.
I am only angry that we citizens will be forced to pay for his final years in prison, providing him food and sustenance until he dies. What a waste of taxpayer money.
But he deserves nothing less than prison nor more than bare sustenance.
Rotten and corrupt to the core. Hopefully he will be found guilty.
I am only angry that we citizens will be forced to pay for his final years in prison, providing him food and sustenance until he dies. What a waste of taxpayer money.
But he deserves nothing less than prison nor more than bare sustenance.
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Senator Menendez is not the only elected official in Washington that should be in prison!
Here in the USA we have recently elected the very best congressmen, congresswomen, senators, governors, presidents and other government administrations that money can buy
These elected and appointed officials do, however, offer their services, no-bid contracts funded from the public treasuries, and their legislative votes for sale to US citizens and foreigners at very reasonable prices
Maybe CGI Federal had to PAY so much money in bribes and political contributions to obtain the ACA no-bid PAY TO PLAY federal government contract that CGI Federal did not have enough money left to hire any competent computer programmers to write the ACA computer program so that the OBAMACARE healthcare program would operate properly.
Here in the USA we have recently elected the very best congressmen, congresswomen, senators, governors, presidents and other government administrations that money can buy
These elected and appointed officials do, however, offer their services, no-bid contracts funded from the public treasuries, and their legislative votes for sale to US citizens and foreigners at very reasonable prices
Maybe CGI Federal had to PAY so much money in bribes and political contributions to obtain the ACA no-bid PAY TO PLAY federal government contract that CGI Federal did not have enough money left to hire any competent computer programmers to write the ACA computer program so that the OBAMACARE healthcare program would operate properly.
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Allow me to just comment briefly on why the NY Times simply at times, does not get it right. Wrong or right, Mr. Menendez has the rights afforded him the Constitution. We may not like it. It may not look pretty at the moment. He would not have been indicted had there not been something amiss, yet he has the right to a fair trail. But apparently the Editorial Board of the NY Times, within two days has pronounced him guilty of charges and said he should resign his seat. Unbelievable editorial
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Senator Mendez should be convicted and sent to prison with the maximum sentence that the law allows in order to to deter the remainder of our elected officials to stop taking bribes to pass legislation and influence criminal prosecution.
I truly believe that any and all new US federal legislation or any other federal and local government action concerning any topic such as no-bid contract awards, new US tax exemption laws, Federal tax loopholes, Solyndra “PAY TO PLAY” government money loan/giveaways, Foreign Nation Free Trade Agreements, CGI Federal “PAY TO PLAY” government contracts, Blackwater government contracts, Monopoly Exemptions, repeal of the Glass Stegall Act, etc., will also be written by the lobbyists’ clients, and then the lobbyists will be hired to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on wine, food, prepaid sexual services, women, song, jobs for the congressmen's (plus their congressional aides') unemployable wives, girlfriends, and children, multi-million dollar foreign vacations (in Spain), plus campaign contributions, and exotic vacations to entice (bribe) each of our elected congressmen and each of their congressional aides who "advise" the congressmen how to vote on each issue to enact whatever legislation (tax loopholes, criminal law repeals, legalize Wall Street criminal acts, government contracts, Free Trade Agreements, presidential criminal felony pardons, etc.) that the lobbyists’ clients desire.
I truly believe that any and all new US federal legislation or any other federal and local government action concerning any topic such as no-bid contract awards, new US tax exemption laws, Federal tax loopholes, Solyndra “PAY TO PLAY” government money loan/giveaways, Foreign Nation Free Trade Agreements, CGI Federal “PAY TO PLAY” government contracts, Blackwater government contracts, Monopoly Exemptions, repeal of the Glass Stegall Act, etc., will also be written by the lobbyists’ clients, and then the lobbyists will be hired to spend hundreds of thousands of dollars on wine, food, prepaid sexual services, women, song, jobs for the congressmen's (plus their congressional aides') unemployable wives, girlfriends, and children, multi-million dollar foreign vacations (in Spain), plus campaign contributions, and exotic vacations to entice (bribe) each of our elected congressmen and each of their congressional aides who "advise" the congressmen how to vote on each issue to enact whatever legislation (tax loopholes, criminal law repeals, legalize Wall Street criminal acts, government contracts, Free Trade Agreements, presidential criminal felony pardons, etc.) that the lobbyists’ clients desire.
I was very surprised at the editorial and that the Times forgot basic notions of fairness. Unlike the editorial board, I recall the hatchet job that the DOJ Public Integrity section performed on Senator Ted Stevens. Following a flawed trial, which cost the Senator his seat and ruined his reputation, the DOJ confessed error and dismissed the indictment. As an attorney, I am imbued with a certain cynicism about allegations. The indictment seems damning, but they are just allegations that are unproven at this point. Let the process work. While I am no fan of Senator Menendez, he is entitled to his day in court and must be presumed innocent. He will be given a speedy trial and if he is convicted, he should resign even if he appeals But this editorial is premature and fails to reflect basic principles that govern all of us.
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Strange. A senator from New Jersey spends staff time and money going to bat for a money grubbing businessman "doctor" in Florida. They're friends, he claims. That could be the only explanation.
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Mr. Menendez is in complete and utter denial. He has rationalized his actions and really believes he is innocent.
Mr. Menendez, give the people of New Jersey and the United States a break: step down now.
Mr. Menendez, give the people of New Jersey and the United States a break: step down now.
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Another crooked Senator for Jersey; perhaps the Harrison B Williams station should be renamed for him soon.
STEP DOWN?
The guy hasn't been convicted of anything.................YET!!!
Better yet ask them ALL to step down.
This guy isn't doing anything different then the rest of them are, it's just a matter of to what degree and IF you get caught or not.
The guy hasn't been convicted of anything.................YET!!!
Better yet ask them ALL to step down.
This guy isn't doing anything different then the rest of them are, it's just a matter of to what degree and IF you get caught or not.
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Florida Medicare flim flammers are a tradition.
As far back as the Reagan administration Thurd Bush went to bat for Miguel Recarey of International Medical Centers (IMC).
Young Jebbie pocketed a cool $75K for interceding with Margaret Heckler, Secretary of HHS, to allow Recarey to continue his fraud.
These twenty some years later Recarey is still a fugitive from justice.
As far back as the Reagan administration Thurd Bush went to bat for Miguel Recarey of International Medical Centers (IMC).
Young Jebbie pocketed a cool $75K for interceding with Margaret Heckler, Secretary of HHS, to allow Recarey to continue his fraud.
These twenty some years later Recarey is still a fugitive from justice.
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How about the presumption of innocence?
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Bye Bob.
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As if an indictment is proof of guilt? Please - if Bill Clinton didn't have to resign during hearings of impeachment, why does Menendez have to resign? Ludicrous.. he may be guilty, but that doesn't mean he has to quit his job to defend himself.
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I read the indictment. The grossest part was that Menendez used his office and influence to help Melgen get visitors visas for Melgen's foreign bimbo girlfriends to enter the USA to visit him. At least one of these "girlfriends" was less than half of Melgen's age. Melgen is a married man. Some friend of the family Menendez turned out to be, betraying Melgen's wife by helping Doctor Melgen traffic these bimbos into the country for his carnal enjoyment.
I originally dismissed the underage DR prostitute story as a wingnut fairy tale. Now, I am not so sure.
I originally dismissed the underage DR prostitute story as a wingnut fairy tale. Now, I am not so sure.
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"I originally dismissed the underage DR prostitute story as a wingnut fairy tale."
I despise wingnuts, but I always took that story as likely true. Maybe I did too much criminal defense work, but it has the smell of something that would happen, and be covered up just that way too.
I despise wingnuts, but I always took that story as likely true. Maybe I did too much criminal defense work, but it has the smell of something that would happen, and be covered up just that way too.
..."bimbo" is a harsh pejorative you ought not apply to women who were likely trafficked. save your pejoratives for the senator and the good doctor please....
The most serious penalty faced here is loss of a Senate seat and political career. Once he gives those things up, he has not only lost, but mostly been punished.
Also, there is a public interest in having the person elected be in the office. That should not be ignored.
I think he should go, but not just because he was indicted. I think he should go because he knows he'll be convicted.
I think the Feds can cut him a deal. If he takes the larger punishment up front by doing the right thing, they can go easy on the rest. He's destroyed anyway, in all the ways that matter to make him an example.
Also, there is a public interest in having the person elected be in the office. That should not be ignored.
I think he should go, but not just because he was indicted. I think he should go because he knows he'll be convicted.
I think the Feds can cut him a deal. If he takes the larger punishment up front by doing the right thing, they can go easy on the rest. He's destroyed anyway, in all the ways that matter to make him an example.
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I suppose you were opposed to Nixon's resignation as being premature? Nixon had just won an election of landslide proportions. Though he surrounded himself with thugs and was paranoid, in retrospect, by today's standards, Nixon was a progressive who got a lot of positive things accomplished.
However, some things just cannot be overlooked.
However, some things just cannot be overlooked.
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If you read my whole comment, you'll see I agree with you.
The key here is not just the indictment. That alone ought not lead to automatic resignation in all cases.
But in this case, they've got him dead to rights on something very important. He ought to take a deal to be gone, and they ought to give him the deal to be rid of him. As with Nixon.
The key here is not just the indictment. That alone ought not lead to automatic resignation in all cases.
But in this case, they've got him dead to rights on something very important. He ought to take a deal to be gone, and they ought to give him the deal to be rid of him. As with Nixon.
First, an indictment, at least if it is not against a cop, is a relatively easy item to procure given there is no defense possible. Second, I am curious about the NYT editorial board's decision to only base their condemnation on the indictment without any question as to who was behind the prosecution. As we in NJ learned, a U.S. attorney who is a bully, unscrupulous, and partisan can abuse his office to become governor of the state. Look how well that has turned out, NYT. The NYT editorial board, wrong on Iraq, wrong on Christie, wrong on climate change (not a number one concern in 2009). Still waiting for your apology.
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Don't hold your breath for an apology. A 68-page indictment. 68.
Let that sink in.
Let that sink in.
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Citizen, the GOP has been trying to get a Republican senator for years. Having repeatedly failed at the ballot box, they are trying yet again to thwart the will of the voters by taking aim at Menendez (too soon to try to go after Booker) in the hope that Christie will appoint a 'bipartisan' DINO puppet.
It is not that hard to pump an indictment up to 64 pages. Heck, a lawyer takes that many pages to say hello.
I actually live here, not in Rhode Island. So I know a bit about the politics here that some others may not. (That includes the NYT editorial board - if you depend on the NYT for coverage of NJ issues, you'll be lucky to be able to find the state on a map.) Now, I'm not a big rah-rah Menendez supporter. But they've tried this trick before. It stinks like five-week unrefrigerated fish.
And the NYT - whose intellectual and ethical credibility has been slowly leaking for awhile like sand out of a punctured Bozo Bop Bag - took the bait.
It is not that hard to pump an indictment up to 64 pages. Heck, a lawyer takes that many pages to say hello.
I actually live here, not in Rhode Island. So I know a bit about the politics here that some others may not. (That includes the NYT editorial board - if you depend on the NYT for coverage of NJ issues, you'll be lucky to be able to find the state on a map.) Now, I'm not a big rah-rah Menendez supporter. But they've tried this trick before. It stinks like five-week unrefrigerated fish.
And the NYT - whose intellectual and ethical credibility has been slowly leaking for awhile like sand out of a punctured Bozo Bop Bag - took the bait.
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I've been reading the Times for decades and I'm not sure where the times editorial board got it wrong? Iraq is/was a mistake, Christie only keeps getting worse, and does anyone who actually believes in science dispute climate change?
Sen. Menendez has acted as if he has nothing to hide. A friend booked a hotel with points and he accepted a private plain ride without reporting it. Perhaps this one doesn't rise to a "must resign" level. There does not seem to be any indication that Dr. Melgen received anything from the government that he was not entitled to (assuming an honest billing mistake).
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Sorry, assuming a $9 million billing error was a mistake is a bit hard to fathom. Like Dr. Melgen didn't notice the huge amount of cash building up in his account - a balance far exceeding what could reasonably be expected based on the nature of his practice. Please, Eugene - think about how naive you sound.
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Bottom line: He was a Democrat that dared to oppose Obama on Cuba, Israel and Iran, so he's gotta go. Just look at how the go after that picture of virtue, Al Sharpton.
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Those were certainly not the smartest things to do for someone who really desperately needed a favor from the President to save him from the Feds.
LBJ or Clinton might have saved him for a price. I'm not sure Obama would have, but this pretty much made sure of it.
It looks like a good bust, and he had to know what they'd gotten on him. He then chose to go all defiant and obnoxious.
LBJ or Clinton might have saved him for a price. I'm not sure Obama would have, but this pretty much made sure of it.
It looks like a good bust, and he had to know what they'd gotten on him. He then chose to go all defiant and obnoxious.
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@MBrody, if that's what it took to get the indictment, well, then, good. We got good policy on Cuba, Israel and Iran, AND as an added bonus we get an indictment on the guy who has seemed like a crook since he first ran for the Senate. Fine by me.
And, btw, I don't believe that Al Sharpton has ever held public office, elected or otherwise...so I don't really "get" the comparison.
And, btw, I don't believe that Al Sharpton has ever held public office, elected or otherwise...so I don't really "get" the comparison.
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Yes, Menendez opposed Obama on Cuba and Israel; so Obama went after him.
Interesting that Obama never seems to find any powerful Republicans to go after.
Interesting that Obama never seems to find any powerful Republicans to go after.
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It's not in Menendez's nature to resign. He always sees himself as a victim.
But if he does resign then for all those who clearly don't know, and clearly most of those commenting here have no idea, this is what would happen in NJ.
Christie would appoint a replacement senator, who would serve until the next election when there would be a special election to choose a senator to finish Menendez's current term. So the interim appointee would serve at most about a year, but probably only six to eight months.
No doubt Christie would appoint a Republican as he did when the late Sen. Lautenberg died. No doubt New Jersey would then elect a Democrat as it did when Corey Booker won the seat back two years ago.
But if he does resign then for all those who clearly don't know, and clearly most of those commenting here have no idea, this is what would happen in NJ.
Christie would appoint a replacement senator, who would serve until the next election when there would be a special election to choose a senator to finish Menendez's current term. So the interim appointee would serve at most about a year, but probably only six to eight months.
No doubt Christie would appoint a Republican as he did when the late Sen. Lautenberg died. No doubt New Jersey would then elect a Democrat as it did when Corey Booker won the seat back two years ago.
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Does all of that somehow argue against Menendez doing what he ought to do?
I don't give a rat's behind about NJ's political problems, until it seats a crooked senator who can get into my pocket. Throw the bums out and let the people try to elect someone worthy of representing them.
I don't give a rat's behind about NJ's political problems, until it seats a crooked senator who can get into my pocket. Throw the bums out and let the people try to elect someone worthy of representing them.
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"when Corey Booker won the seat back two years ago"?
Booker didn't win any seat back! He won the seat that Lautenberg held--and which he elbowed Lautenberg out of the way to run for.
Booker didn't win any seat back! He won the seat that Lautenberg held--and which he elbowed Lautenberg out of the way to run for.
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The last time, Christie appointed a Republican who specifically promised he would not run for re-election. At the time, the one additional Republican did not affect the Democrat majority in the Senate, and Christie was not minutes away from running for President. He would doubtless appoint a more robust Republican today.
Like anybody paying attention, the NY Times knew all about Robert Menedez's history of corruption and these specific charges. Suddenly, they're acting all Claude Raines in Casablanca about it.
From their endorsement of the Senator:
"Mr. Menendez has a history of ethical lapses that have been all too common for Democratic officials in New Jersey, especially for those, like him, who continue to take an active part in local party politics.... Our unqualified endorsement goes to Robert Menendez."
From their endorsement of the Senator:
"Mr. Menendez has a history of ethical lapses that have been all too common for Democratic officials in New Jersey, especially for those, like him, who continue to take an active part in local party politics.... Our unqualified endorsement goes to Robert Menendez."
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Yes great to have another Republican Senator. Perhaps the current governor will appoint himself thus removing himself from presidential consideration and moving himself to federal government service. Simple!!!
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As the senator says in your Page A20 article, the prosecutors don't know the difference between friends exchanging gifts and corruption.
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His "gifts" weren't coming out of his pocket, but ours. $9M in overcharges to Medicare?
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Mr. Menendez would do well to step down from a position of power, given that he has become 'damage goods', and his role in the Senate has become clouded by controversy...if not by actual graft, if the charges against him 'stick'.
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What would really solve the problem? Campaign finance reform. Although he's the latest example proving the rule, Sen. Menendez is not the only problem here.
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Resign please, please resign, I want to enjoy what GovChrisNJ does next as soon as possible!
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Menendez provided services in exchange for money and 'gifts'. There may be a legal distinction in taking a quid pro quo from a 'friend' but there is no moral or ethical distinction.
Services include providing access to the United States to 'models and actresses'. This is either at best procurement.
It seems that morals and ethics do not apply to members of the Senate.
Menendez should resign immediately.
I pledge to vote against him in any future election no matter who runs against him.
Services include providing access to the United States to 'models and actresses'. This is either at best procurement.
It seems that morals and ethics do not apply to members of the Senate.
Menendez should resign immediately.
I pledge to vote against him in any future election no matter who runs against him.
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What happened to the presumption of innocence?
From how many folks did the senator get these "bribes"?
From how many folks did the senator get these "bribes"?
"....providing access to the United States to 'modes and actresses'." Add Sex Trafficking to the charges, as well.
Pure friendship, Menendez says so,
From Melgen there's no quid pro quo,
Legal intervention
With no sly intention,
A Damon and Pythias show!
From Melgen there's no quid pro quo,
Legal intervention
With no sly intention,
A Damon and Pythias show!
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Wait, didn't The Times endorse Memendez in his last Senate race? Another corrupt Democrat in the mold of Rangel, Silver, McGreevey, etc. All endorsed by The Times and all crooks.
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Don't forget the Senator from Wall Street, Chuckie Schumer.
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But now he is a threat to our dear leaders "legacy".
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They did indeed:
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/30/opinion/30mon2.htm
"Mr. Menendez has a history of ethical lapses that have been all too common for Democratic officials in New Jersey, especially for those, like him, who continue to take an active part in local party politics... Our unqualified endorsement goes to Robert Menendez."
Apparently, the NY Times doesn't have a problem with corruption in Senators, as long as they're from the right (read: left) side of the aisle.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/10/30/opinion/30mon2.htm
"Mr. Menendez has a history of ethical lapses that have been all too common for Democratic officials in New Jersey, especially for those, like him, who continue to take an active part in local party politics... Our unqualified endorsement goes to Robert Menendez."
Apparently, the NY Times doesn't have a problem with corruption in Senators, as long as they're from the right (read: left) side of the aisle.
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Menendez is taking the Bill Clinton approach. Go on the defense and lie. And the Dems will not let this happen in a state with a Republican Gov. Menendez had hopes of being a VP or presidential candidate soon, and he can kiss those hopes goodbye now.
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If the Senate had self-respect (rather than self-interest), as a body they would suspend him until the trial is over.
Unfortunately many people are going to respond to this through their favorite political filter: a) just another example of those corrupt Democrats, b) lots of Republicans do the same or worse, c) what about all the good things he does. The same standard of proper behavior should apply to all officials, and, if it comes to sentencing, as a public official he should be held to a higher standard and harsher penalty - none of this "think of his many years of public service" stuff.
Unfortunately many people are going to respond to this through their favorite political filter: a) just another example of those corrupt Democrats, b) lots of Republicans do the same or worse, c) what about all the good things he does. The same standard of proper behavior should apply to all officials, and, if it comes to sentencing, as a public official he should be held to a higher standard and harsher penalty - none of this "think of his many years of public service" stuff.
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I wonder what Harry Reid is going to have to say about this.
Isn't it appropriate for his Democratic Caucus to go on record about his continuing to serve?
I bet there's a cricket convention in the Minority Leader's office over the next week or so.
Isn't it appropriate for his Democratic Caucus to go on record about his continuing to serve?
I bet there's a cricket convention in the Minority Leader's office over the next week or so.
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I would favor resignation if (contrary to fact) this did not give the far right wing of the GOP another seat in the Senate. There is no question that candidate Christie would appoint (he has the sole power) the most radical Tea Party person he could find in New Jersey to establish his bona fides.
By the way, Tony, Senator Ted Stevens (later cleared), Republican of Alaska, did not resign.
By the way, Tony, Senator Ted Stevens (later cleared), Republican of Alaska, did not resign.
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If Democrats are so horrified at the thought of losing yet another seat to corruption, perhaps they should explore the option of electing less criminals to represent their party.
Compared to Charles Rangel Senator Menendez looks like a schoolboy caught smoking a cigarette in the boys bathroom. Rangel didn't have to resign and neither should Menendez
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You've got a very good point.
Politicians are dirty. The ones who get careless and sloppy are the ones who eventually get caught.
I trust none of them. If Senator Menendez gets the boot his shoes would be filled by someone else who would go on the take in record time. Politicians cannot help themselves.
Politicians are dirty. The ones who get careless and sloppy are the ones who eventually get caught.
I trust none of them. If Senator Menendez gets the boot his shoes would be filled by someone else who would go on the take in record time. Politicians cannot help themselves.
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Is that the standard? Rangel!
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He won't of course, hubris does that to a person. Especially since he thinks he did nothing wrong.
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We know from past history that Christie will do all he can to delay the election for a replacement while he searches for a way to rig the outcome so one of his right wing henchmen can win the election.
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Christie gets to appoint the replacement. There's no need for him to delay the an election for a replacement
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Senator Menendez's lack of awareness remains stunning, especially after the release of the indictment. He still doesn't get it. You can certainly have friends in politics (or you would get nowhere), but you can't do anything more for them than you do for any "average" constituent without subjecting yourself to serious repercussions down the road. Maybe a jury will find not his actions undertaken for Dr. Melgen illegal, but they are certainly unethical and stink to high heaven. He clearly used the power and trappings of his Senate office to handsomely reward a wealthy donor and to give himself a taste of the good life. He became corrupted by his access to real wealth.
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Now we know how the 1% stay that way.
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If Senator Mendez is guilty of the charged offenses, he should resign. If he isn't, then he shouldn't.
I wish our political system was such that we did not have ANY money in politics to influence votes. It's illegal, but hard to prove. Public funding of all candidates, at the same rate, and a limit to the time that candidates can actively campaign would be a good start. Only thing is, Congress has to vote to change the way we do things, and they won't vote to cut off their own outside sources of income.
I wish our political system was such that we did not have ANY money in politics to influence votes. It's illegal, but hard to prove. Public funding of all candidates, at the same rate, and a limit to the time that candidates can actively campaign would be a good start. Only thing is, Congress has to vote to change the way we do things, and they won't vote to cut off their own outside sources of income.
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Come on NY Times. Do you really think Christie would do the right thing?
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Considering that Christie wasted $20 million of state money to have a special election for senator before the regularly scheduled election for governor just so he could avoid running in the same election as Booker, the idea that he would have any consideration other than what's best for himself is ludicrous.
And considering he's spent the last year pandering to the far right of the Republican Party without giving a damn about the people of Jersrey, he would probably choose someone those wingnuts would hold in high regard.
And considering he's spent the last year pandering to the far right of the Republican Party without giving a damn about the people of Jersrey, he would probably choose someone those wingnuts would hold in high regard.
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Senator Menendez has more baggage than would fit in the Meadowlands. He should step down.
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It is very, very difficult for me to understand the arrogance of Senator Mendez. I seems that the senator believes that anything, again,anything that he chooses to do is legal.
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"It is very, very difficult for me to understand the arrogance of Senator Mendez."
It is typical of any politician and nothing compared to that of our dear leader Obama.
It is typical of any politician and nothing compared to that of our dear leader Obama.
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What is hard about understanding arrogance and hubris in any senator? Isn't that part of the job description?
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Typical of a liberal...er...progressive...er...whatever it is he is calling himself these days to hide the fact that he is as corrupt as he can be.
I'm sure he'll get a shout-out from Obama for all of his good work, even though Menendez has been a thorn over the Iranian nuclear issue.
I'm sure he'll get a shout-out from Obama for all of his good work, even though Menendez has been a thorn over the Iranian nuclear issue.
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I wish I could find friends willing to give me a million dollars. But seriously, I'd like to know just when and how this "friendship" started.
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Democrats do not resign in the face of federal corruption charges.
Sheldon Silver, Charlie Rangel, etc., etc.
Sheldon Silver, Charlie Rangel, etc., etc.
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Yes that certainly is true, they should take a page out of Aaron Schock's playbook. Narcissism gets in the way of things. Silver should have resigned long ago what a colossal ego.
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Neither do Republicans.
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Not if ultra politico Christie gets to appoint the replacement. When will the election be held? Last time that was another political football calculated to rig the turnout in Christie's favor for the general election. More than once burned with Christie, more than twice shy. The Times editorial board should know better than to assume Christie will hold a prompt election. He will use the excuse that you complained about the speed of the last one, so he's doing this one more deliberately. Rather see a recall than have Christie control the patronage here.
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Good point.
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DOJ needs to hurry up and indict Christie as well.
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We have a saying in India: "ask for 700 Rupees and Americans call you corrupt. But ask for $700B and Americans call it a bailout." American companies are forced to comply with the FCPA, what about an American Corrupt Practices Act?
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I prefer Bob Dylan: "Steal a dollar they put you in jail; steal a million, they make you a king.
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And yet here you are. I take it you prefer it here...
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Irrespective of party affiliation, resignation is appropriate.
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He is an incredible friend of Israel. Thus he should never resign.
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