No one disputes the accuracy or the truth of the content of the Republican letter. The letter was not delivered surreptitiously. The Republicans did not engage in any negotiations or discussions as Nancy Pelosi did with President Assad of Syria trying to undermine the Bush Administration. The Republican letter was an open letter for all the world to read. What the Republicans wrote is true and should be part of the context of any negotiations with the Iranians. Either everyone concerned already knew the facts of their letter, in which case no harm is done, or they should have known, in which case the Republicans did the world a favor. The Iranians should know that they should not push for a deal that cannot be ratified by the Senate, because it may not survive beyond January 20, 2017. The letter should strengthen President Obama's hand if he and his team have any skill at negotiating. Nothing in writing this letter violates the Constitution or American law. The Senate has a legitimate role in foreign policy, and the Republicans in the Senate are reminding the Iranians and everyone else what that role is.
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Regardless of the overall objective, any negotiation must be conducted from a position of strength. Should there be inherent weaknesses, they must be reduced within reason or translated into justified and realizable objectives. Preconceived notions about the other side's strength must be analyzed and juxtaposed against the United States' overall position.
Good feedback from constituents should also enhance the US goal.
A good deal should result in relative peace in the Middle East, assuming reasonable vested interests shall have been addressed by and for both sides.
A bad deal could only push both sides to a war footing; and this should not be an alternative because ultimatums have no place in negotiations.
Good feedback from constituents should also enhance the US goal.
A good deal should result in relative peace in the Middle East, assuming reasonable vested interests shall have been addressed by and for both sides.
A bad deal could only push both sides to a war footing; and this should not be an alternative because ultimatums have no place in negotiations.
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Once again Republican ideologues have proven why the President needs to go it alone. They are no different than the religious zeolots in Iran and, sadly they are just as dangerous to democracy. There was a time when Civics was a required middle school course. Perhaps it should be required for freshmen congressmen and others in government who display such little understanding about how foreign policy is conducted.
Unlike these representatives, I have been inside Iran and appreciate that we are not considered the enemy, at least by the vast majority. An agreement would be the first step in isolating the fundamentalist minority. If only there was a similar step which could be taken here.
Unlike these representatives, I have been inside Iran and appreciate that we are not considered the enemy, at least by the vast majority. An agreement would be the first step in isolating the fundamentalist minority. If only there was a similar step which could be taken here.
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I often travel in my job and have friends and acquaintances in many counties. It has become increasingly difficult to explain how our government works and to defend our actions. The view of the US as a super power that is able to lead is rapidly declining if not gone. When we take actions such as not passing a budget and threatening to default on our debts while shutting down our government, all to try and repeal a legally passed law we look like squabbling children who will take their ball and go home if they don't get their way. The majority of the country twice voted for a president and then the opposing party sabotaged everything he tried to accomplish, grinding all progress to a stop mostly over providing healthcare to our citizens (which many country's smaller than us have resolved decades ago). We not only expose ourselves to ridicule but also prove that we can't even run our own country much less lead the world. When many of our congress are willing to embarrass our president in order to curry favor with Netanyahu in order to assure financial backing for their re-elections then it becomes impossible to defend our actions as honorable. What would become of our armed forces if factions were able to sabotage all the commands given because they didn't agree. In the military this is called treason.
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Is the Republican Party incapable of resisting the urge to shoot itself in the foot? This is wrong on so many levels. First, I don't like him, but Obama is the President. You don't question the President's policies by writing a letter to a foreign state. Second, the act may be self-defeating; they may well have scared off moderate Democrats who agree with them, and who might have been able to enable them to pass the bills. Third, the headlines today are about the letter, not about Hillary's indefensible violation of established state department communications protocols.
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It really is simple. Are you telling me that you cannot connect the "dots". The US Attorney should sue Sheldon Adelson, Mitch McConnell, Tom Cotton, and the remaining gang of 45 for treason and sedition on behalf of the Constitution and the people. You don't believe this wasn't orchestrated? Why else would they have left POTUS out of yahoos speech decision. I would also pull yahoos visa. This was not just an affront to POTUS, but to the people of the United States whatever their political persuasion. Lets look at the phone records of these guys not just Hillary. I bet I can tie all kinds of phone records to this group of Neanderthals.
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No joke: The Secret Service really needs to take its responsibilities seriously anytime one of these 47 Senators meets with President Obama between now and January 2017. Tom Cotton & Co. look to me like they are seeking their own Augusto Pinochet (see the events of 11 September 1973 in Chile if you don't understand the reference).
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No wonder democrats are irate. One one side they have a president who, once again, is completely disrespecting the will of Congress. On the other, a group of republicans who has no intention of letting him do it and are willing to stop at nothing to make their voices heard.
And to make matters worse, they probably realize that despite all the blaming and uproar, they'll lose their jobs in the end for something that will likely end badly.
And to make matters worse, they probably realize that despite all the blaming and uproar, they'll lose their jobs in the end for something that will likely end badly.
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Can President Obama's "nuclear agreement" with Iran be changed by the next President or by the Congress through the ratification of a Nuclear Treaty with Iran? If that is true, what's the non-partisan problem?
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Again, there is no "treaty." The negotiation involves 7 countries, not just the USA. The plan of action will go to the United Nations Security Council, not to the US Congress.
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@ Steve - Please re-read my comment "again", I said "President Obama's "nuclear agreement" with Iran."
The US Congress represents the citizens of the United States. The UN doesn't and neither do the other six countries. Perhaps it's time for our President to listen to the will of the American citizens who put him there.
The US Congress represents the citizens of the United States. The UN doesn't and neither do the other six countries. Perhaps it's time for our President to listen to the will of the American citizens who put him there.
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And the precedent has already been clearly set. In the case United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp. (1936), Justice Sutherland wrote in the majority opinion:
“The President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it.”
“The President alone has the power to speak or listen as a representative of the nation. He makes treaties with the advice and consent of the Senate; but he alone negotiates. Into the field of negotiation the Senate cannot intrude, and Congress itself is powerless to invade it.”
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When the Dallas Morning News reprinted an abbreviated version of this article, they added the following comment from Sen. Ted Cruz:
"The Constitution requires that any treaty be submitted to the Senate for ratification."
Amazingly, in this instance I agree with Sen. Cruz. But I have to ask, "What treaty is he referring to?" While there are current negotiations, there exists no agreed upon and signed treaty between the U.S. and Iran. So, very obviously, there is as yet no U.S./Iran treaty in existence to submit to the Senate.
So what imaginary defied law is Cruz referring to when he demands that something that does not exist be submitted? What dope is he spoking that has him making such wild and non-factual statements.
"The Constitution requires that any treaty be submitted to the Senate for ratification."
Amazingly, in this instance I agree with Sen. Cruz. But I have to ask, "What treaty is he referring to?" While there are current negotiations, there exists no agreed upon and signed treaty between the U.S. and Iran. So, very obviously, there is as yet no U.S./Iran treaty in existence to submit to the Senate.
So what imaginary defied law is Cruz referring to when he demands that something that does not exist be submitted? What dope is he spoking that has him making such wild and non-factual statements.
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Thomas Jefferson, then Sec. of State, on Nov. 22, 1793, said the executive branch "is the only channel of communications between this country and foreign nations." His successor at State, John Marshall, on March 7, 1800, asserted "the President is the sole organ of the nation in its external relations." The framers understood that serious negotiations between sovereign states demand sophisticated expertise, speed and super secrecy. Thus the President's inherent powers to conduct our foreign affairs without foolish intrusions. The Gang of 47's letter is subversive by definition, seditious by odor, and as frighteningly dangerous as that racist SAE drinking song. The Logan Act perfectly fits the moment.
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People cite past history where Democrats interfered with foreign policy in a "similar" manner. However, there significant differences.
The passage of the Boland Amendment in 1987, against the wishes of Ronald Reagan, was to cut of aid to the Nicaraguan Contras who were fighting the so called Nicaraguan communists. The Iran Contra scandal that followed was the result of Republicans undercutting this ban.
Nancy Pelosi's meeting with the Syrian dictator Assad in 2007 was an attempt to moderate withdrawal of troops from Iraq through engagement. Bush wanted to isolate Assad presumably to escalate the war further and achieve his ends by force.
The the common theme in Democrats' interference seems to be the attempt to mitigate war and/or achieve peace, whereas the Republicans' interference now, and in the past (recall the infamous interference by Nixon that extended the Vietnam war by many years) has been for more war.
I just wanted to point this out to the folks who are saying that what the Republicans are doing now is in keeping with past instances of congressional behavior. Another thing that is totally different and unprecedented about the current Republican behavior is the total - 100% - lack of respect for the office of the President.
The passage of the Boland Amendment in 1987, against the wishes of Ronald Reagan, was to cut of aid to the Nicaraguan Contras who were fighting the so called Nicaraguan communists. The Iran Contra scandal that followed was the result of Republicans undercutting this ban.
Nancy Pelosi's meeting with the Syrian dictator Assad in 2007 was an attempt to moderate withdrawal of troops from Iraq through engagement. Bush wanted to isolate Assad presumably to escalate the war further and achieve his ends by force.
The the common theme in Democrats' interference seems to be the attempt to mitigate war and/or achieve peace, whereas the Republicans' interference now, and in the past (recall the infamous interference by Nixon that extended the Vietnam war by many years) has been for more war.
I just wanted to point this out to the folks who are saying that what the Republicans are doing now is in keeping with past instances of congressional behavior. Another thing that is totally different and unprecedented about the current Republican behavior is the total - 100% - lack of respect for the office of the President.
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The Senate Republican caucus is also preparing a letter to the leaders of ISIL explaining to them our constitutional system just as they did in their letter to the leaders of Iran. The letter will explain to the ISIL leadership they should not expect the US Congress and/or the next President to support international efforts to erase these barbarians from the face of the earth as President Obama is committee to doing in partnership with countries around the globe. And so the barbarians should continue to be barbarians. And Republican staff have been directed to draft a similar missive to Boko Haram. (Did anyone else find it ironic that the signatories do not understand how Iran's political system operates and addressed their letter to no one in particular in a letter meant to explain our political system?)
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It is frightening to me that one man can decide on a nuclear deal that threatens Israel's survival, or single handedly dismantle the manned space program. There are some things that require groupthink and this is one of them. It is not disrespect, it is called government...and I say this as a Democrat.
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It's not one man, it will be an agreement between Iran and The USA, England, France, Russia, China, and Germany. Sheesh, why do so many find this fact so difficult to assimilate. Could it be the non-stop misinformation the Republican'ts keep feeding to the media? These negotiations are not a one man show. There are negotiators from all these other countries, who have all also taken part in applying sanctions to Iran. This information is not secret, nor hidden. Nobody's trying to pull the wool over the paranoid right wing's. It also turns out that this agreement doesn't even need senate advice and consent. It's not a treaty. It´s and agreement. See how easy it is to understand.
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Thank you David
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If Nancy Pelosi, House Minority leader, is not a traitor for visiting President Assad during the Bush presidency, then neither are the Republicans.
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The GOP has run off the rails. Unelected conservatives need to stand up and be counted on this. If they don't, it will be like the Islamic leaders that don't stand up and rail against their back actors.
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Has anyone noticed that NO Republican predictions EVER come true? "Obama will never be nominated", "Obama will never get elected", "Obama will never get re-elected", "Obamacare will never get passed", "Obamacare will cost jobs", every single prediction about Iraq. The list goes on and on. It's beyond ridiculous!
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The Republican'ts unbroken error record regarding almost everything (reference Paul Wolfowicz: Iraq war, $60 billion, 2 months, and they'll pay for it all with their oil) is astonishingly exceptional.
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more traitorous behavior from the republican corporatists.
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Michael Bennett - you just lost my vote. You should have refused to participate in this legislation with the GOP following this treacherous letter. It is obvious that the signatories to the letter are furious about how impotent and irrelevant they are. You just signaled to everyone that you are just as irrelevant.
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Monday’s letter from 47 senators to Iran wasn't just bad politics -- it was a dangerous attempt to undermine negotiations with Iran. The leader of the letter, Sen. Tom Cotton, has explicitly stated that the goal of congressional action is to make talks with Iran fail.
This is a shocking and dangerous attempt to sabotage diplomacy.
As Vox.com puts it, "The mere act of senators contacting the leaders of a foreign nation to undermine and contradict their own president is an enormous breach of protocol. But this went much further: Republicans are telling Iran, and, by extension the world, that the American president no longer has the power to conduct foreign policy, and that foreign leaders should assume Congress could revoke American pledges at any moment."
This time Republicans in Congress have gone too far. We've grown used to Congress making a mess of nearly everything, but now they're risking a war bigger than Iraq and Afghanistan combined, simply to score a political point. It's time to stop playing politics with Iran nuclear talks.
This is a shocking and dangerous attempt to sabotage diplomacy.
As Vox.com puts it, "The mere act of senators contacting the leaders of a foreign nation to undermine and contradict their own president is an enormous breach of protocol. But this went much further: Republicans are telling Iran, and, by extension the world, that the American president no longer has the power to conduct foreign policy, and that foreign leaders should assume Congress could revoke American pledges at any moment."
This time Republicans in Congress have gone too far. We've grown used to Congress making a mess of nearly everything, but now they're risking a war bigger than Iraq and Afghanistan combined, simply to score a political point. It's time to stop playing politics with Iran nuclear talks.
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Citizens United - the gift that keeps on giving.
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The infighting obscures the most obvious problems with the Iran nuclear negotiations, as currently structured:
"1. Iran has been able to legitimize its once-covert nuclear program.
2. Iran has won sanctions relief disproportionate to the minor concessions it has accepted.
3. Iran has been rewarded for stalling and stretching out the negotiations.
4. Iran has refused to fully cooperate with the IAEA in its investigation of possible military dimensions of Iran’s nuclear program.
5. Iran has a strong interest in prolonging the negotiations as long as possible."
"1. Iran has been able to legitimize its once-covert nuclear program.
2. Iran has won sanctions relief disproportionate to the minor concessions it has accepted.
3. Iran has been rewarded for stalling and stretching out the negotiations.
4. Iran has refused to fully cooperate with the IAEA in its investigation of possible military dimensions of Iran’s nuclear program.
5. Iran has a strong interest in prolonging the negotiations as long as possible."
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Jon Stewart did a WONDERFUL compilation comparing Pelosi going over to Iran in 2007 and the anger that erupted from the right...He showed the SAME people eight years apart saying the SAME things. He even showed St. Reagan dealing with Iran--on his own.
Basically that each party prefers to work with Iranian Clerics than with each other. Thank you Jon Stewart!
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/full-episodes/l3gvy3/march-10--2015---abbi-ja...
Basically that each party prefers to work with Iranian Clerics than with each other. Thank you Jon Stewart!
http://thedailyshow.cc.com/full-episodes/l3gvy3/march-10--2015---abbi-ja...
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I agree with most of the reader comments. I also see another hideous aspect to this. Another election year is upon us and the neocons and their newly elected puppies are courting Sheldon Adelson's wallet (not to mention the Koch brothers and other such group. There seems to be a whole new idea of what public service is these days. It seems to have evolved to a self service mentality geared against the country and toward keeping office with a big paying job afterwards.
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Did these senators think about how their actions could affect the ability of President Obama to protect the safety of America?
Did they consider how their insistence that he doesn’t matter affects his power to protect American interests and lives in the Middle East or NATO countries?
These disgusting Senators were saying President Obama doesn’t speak for Congress or the American people, and bad guys of the world, you can defy him and thus the US however you wish.
The White House was correct in saying that the only ones who rejoiced at the Republicans’ unintelligible rant were the hardliners in Iran.. They don’t want the agreement either. Have these 47 Republican/Tea Party senators ever wondered if they might be green-lighting those in Iran who yearn for it to be a nuclear power?
The House Republicans who invited Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to Congress to attack the president of the US, and the 47 Republican/Tea Party senators who undermined US national security with their letter, can’t be expected to repent. Anyone who would do these things is beond redemption. But Republican leaders who have effectively and nobly carried out US foreign policy in the past and may do so in the future must step up and speak out now to protect our future.
So who's going to step up and speak up? We're waiting.
Did they consider how their insistence that he doesn’t matter affects his power to protect American interests and lives in the Middle East or NATO countries?
These disgusting Senators were saying President Obama doesn’t speak for Congress or the American people, and bad guys of the world, you can defy him and thus the US however you wish.
The White House was correct in saying that the only ones who rejoiced at the Republicans’ unintelligible rant were the hardliners in Iran.. They don’t want the agreement either. Have these 47 Republican/Tea Party senators ever wondered if they might be green-lighting those in Iran who yearn for it to be a nuclear power?
The House Republicans who invited Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu to Congress to attack the president of the US, and the 47 Republican/Tea Party senators who undermined US national security with their letter, can’t be expected to repent. Anyone who would do these things is beond redemption. But Republican leaders who have effectively and nobly carried out US foreign policy in the past and may do so in the future must step up and speak out now to protect our future.
So who's going to step up and speak up? We're waiting.
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What is reaction among voters in states represented by signers? Surely the signers are monitoring.
Do Koch Bros. et al, trump voter reason?
Do Koch Bros. et al, trump voter reason?
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The Republicans apparently cannot keep in mind that the negotiations with Iran are not something President Obama just "thought up". The negotiations with Iran involve The United States, Russia, China, The United Kingdom, France and Germany.
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The letter to Iranian leaders from 47 Republican/Tea Party senators could well destroy critical bipartisanship in US foreign policy for years to come and treacherously undermine the bargaining power of the person constitutionally authorized to conduct American affairs abroad—the President of the United States. The letter points to one terrible conclusion: A formidable number of congressional Republicans hate President Obama more than they love America.
These acts go entirely beyond legitimate criticism of presidential actions abroad. They exceed the usual congressional resolutions of disagreement with presidential policy.
I thought politics stopped at the water's edge. Apparently, not to these Republican/Tea Party noncompoops.
What the 47 did was not trivial. It could well affect possible Iranian concessions in the end game. Iran could well conclude from that letter that concessions they might have made just aren’t worth it politically, as the agreement would go nowhere anyway. They’d be taking political risks for nothing.
Beyond these negotiations, the effects on our national security may well be profound and lasting. Just look at the future implications of what these Republican/Tea Party senators said in their letter. They maintained, in effect, that this thing a president of the US has been negotiating will either be thrown out by Congress or discarded by the next president, so don’t waste your time.
These acts go entirely beyond legitimate criticism of presidential actions abroad. They exceed the usual congressional resolutions of disagreement with presidential policy.
I thought politics stopped at the water's edge. Apparently, not to these Republican/Tea Party noncompoops.
What the 47 did was not trivial. It could well affect possible Iranian concessions in the end game. Iran could well conclude from that letter that concessions they might have made just aren’t worth it politically, as the agreement would go nowhere anyway. They’d be taking political risks for nothing.
Beyond these negotiations, the effects on our national security may well be profound and lasting. Just look at the future implications of what these Republican/Tea Party senators said in their letter. They maintained, in effect, that this thing a president of the US has been negotiating will either be thrown out by Congress or discarded by the next president, so don’t waste your time.
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Today's NYT - The top three stories parse the meaning and import of Hillary's personal e-mail account. Meanwhile, there is a single story about Republicans' direct interference with the President's conduct of multi-national negotiations. I don't particularly care for Hillary, but the news focus on her use of personal e-mail seems disproportionate and smacks of "celebrity" politics. Meanwhile, the the deliberate disrespect by one Party of both the President's prerogative as well as of the other parties to the negotiations feels like a potentially irreversible degradation of good governance, and gets almost no attention. So much for the "newspaper of record."
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Foreign policy used to be the domain of the presidency. Congress has the chance to approve or reject after the negotiations have been concluded. They never ratified the League of Nations among other major decisions. But this was done after the conclusion rather than throwing a monkey wrench into the negotiations.
This unthinking rookie and all those who egged him on should be held accountable for their insolence and probably racial prejudice; if not outright tried for treason. There are millions of lives at stake. This should not be a political gambit.
This unthinking rookie and all those who egged him on should be held accountable for their insolence and probably racial prejudice; if not outright tried for treason. There are millions of lives at stake. This should not be a political gambit.
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God bless Jon Stewart in his attempt to show that in the past, Democrats had personally met with a Daniel Ortega or a Hafaz al Assad against the wishes of a Republican administration, and his crack research team provided the clips. Showing a Congressman or woman privately meeting with such figures, is not in any way comparable to the Republicans interfering in an ongoing negotiation with possible lives at stake. While the Dailey Show is almost always spot on, this bit was definitely the exception that proved the rule.
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Recalls Oliver North and the deal with Iran under Reagan. People engaging in serious foreign policy behind the President's back need to be dismissed from office and prosecuted. If the Logan Act is defunct, then revive it or write a new law that covers this audacity..nay, treason.
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Several commentators here pointed out how this treacherous act by the GOP would undermine the image of the United States held by the rest of the world. Well, that image was all but destroyed by the policies during the eight years BEFORE President Obama. It was embarrassing to travel to Europe or, say, Japan and have no rational, convincing answers to their "WHY". The answer to this question, then and now, has to do with the way our representatives are being elected (gerrymandering, for one thing), a lobbying system that more or less "buys" seats, the fact that wealthy individuals can pour limitless amounts of money into the election process, and a faith-based constituency that has been manipulated into voting against their own best interests. A Gordian Knot ...
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Dear Adolf, We understand that there have been secret negotiations between yourself and FDR to end WWII by your surrender, with the understanding that executions in the death camps, persecution of minorities, and the theft and destruction of valuable art will cease immediately, and with the understanding that you, nor any of your officers or associates will be put to death, even after trial. We want you to know, however, that any such agreement can be voided at any time by any subsequent President or Congress. So please realize that if you negotiate in good faith, you may be signing your own death warrant. Good luck deciding how to proceed and God Bless from the Opposing Party.
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When is the national Democratic party going to start to rebuild, reorganize and reinvigorate. It has become a party that is a punching bag with no signs of getting off the mat. Please - the reasonable, sane majority needs a party that can fight back as well as lead.
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The bottom line is the Constitution gives the President the SOLE responsibility for negotiations -- for VERY good reason. You canNOT negotiate by committee. Particularly when the committee is comprised of a bunch of politicians each trying to grandstand each other.
The Founders knew that perfectly well. The Founders gave the senate the right to involve itself in agreements AFTER they were negotiated by the president. The Founders intentionally DENIED congress the right to involve themselves DURING the negotiations. The Founders desiring to keep politics as far away from international negotiations as possible is further reaffirmed by the fact the Founders didn't let the lower chamber (the House) get involved at all.
What the GOP did was violate the constitutional framework created by the Founders by involving themselves DURING negotiations, and they did it for political game playing reasons.
The Founders knew that perfectly well. The Founders gave the senate the right to involve itself in agreements AFTER they were negotiated by the president. The Founders intentionally DENIED congress the right to involve themselves DURING the negotiations. The Founders desiring to keep politics as far away from international negotiations as possible is further reaffirmed by the fact the Founders didn't let the lower chamber (the House) get involved at all.
What the GOP did was violate the constitutional framework created by the Founders by involving themselves DURING negotiations, and they did it for political game playing reasons.
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Treason, pure and simple. And the Congressfolk who signed that letter to Iran should go on trial for treason with the penalty, if due process allows for the determination of guilt, being the usual one for treason.
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The GOP has crossed the line (again) in its quest from day one, to take down this Afro-American President. Each signer of that letter should be brought up on an act of treason. America is in a time of war and all of us should be in support, a unified front, facing the enemy.
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March 11, 2015
We should think our leaders in House of Representatives and Senate take conform in a reading of the perennial gift to a new in Congress persons – The Jefferson Bible. Faith is about our system and body politics founded in America’s tradition its Beacon on the Hill.
As Israel parliament is now in high gear for its election; all is great when not only its light but words of faith are expressed to all its polity: bravely and in truth’s diversity’s - destiny universal for all. Illuminations in the great Democratic diversity on our world’s stage is surely the vision for both, B. Netanyahu as well as, Isaac Herzog Labor Party, etc., yet it’s best to first deal not from the primogenitor light of one’s party but the great vision for all to sharing reflection politics as first and foremost local.
The truth that the minds of Jefferson or others of the great wisdom are that victory’s rays guide our universal – in terms of the Walt Whitman the path living with liberty’s Democratic truths.
Jja Manhattan, N. Y.
We should think our leaders in House of Representatives and Senate take conform in a reading of the perennial gift to a new in Congress persons – The Jefferson Bible. Faith is about our system and body politics founded in America’s tradition its Beacon on the Hill.
As Israel parliament is now in high gear for its election; all is great when not only its light but words of faith are expressed to all its polity: bravely and in truth’s diversity’s - destiny universal for all. Illuminations in the great Democratic diversity on our world’s stage is surely the vision for both, B. Netanyahu as well as, Isaac Herzog Labor Party, etc., yet it’s best to first deal not from the primogenitor light of one’s party but the great vision for all to sharing reflection politics as first and foremost local.
The truth that the minds of Jefferson or others of the great wisdom are that victory’s rays guide our universal – in terms of the Walt Whitman the path living with liberty’s Democratic truths.
Jja Manhattan, N. Y.
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The United States has enough nuclear weapons to pulverize civilization. It's ironic that 47 Republicans and Netanyahu, who has nuclear weapons at his finger tips, are afraid that Iran will development a couple of low grade nukes.
The political posturing is repulsive.
The political posturing is repulsive.
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Who in the government do we contact to report and request enforcement of the laws on the books regarding the Logan Act. The speaker of the House and the 47 need to be brought up on these charges even if the law was created in 1799
The intelligent people of these United States need to stand up to them for the Farces they have perpetrated.
The intelligent people of these United States need to stand up to them for the Farces they have perpetrated.
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This action proves what I have known for several years now. The Republican Party is a far greater threat to the USA than the Communist Party ever was, and should be treated accordingly.
The Republican Party should be outlawed, and its leadership arrested and tried on charges of sedition and treason. If convicted, they should be hung on the Capital Steps for all to see.
The Republican Party should be outlawed, and its leadership arrested and tried on charges of sedition and treason. If convicted, they should be hung on the Capital Steps for all to see.
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Seems like undermining the president by an elected official is an impeachable offense.
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I understand the disagreement between the Democrats and Republicans, but what was the purpose driving the insulting tone of this infamous letter? It was written by a Harvard graduate of distinction, so I assume that Senator Cotton has advanced literacy skills yet it is written as if to a child. It is deliberately condescending and insulting. I can't believe that these Senators did not know that the targets of their scorn speak, read and write English fluently and have graduate degrees from American universities. What is their motive? At the very best it is immature and irresponsible behavior. Granted these people reflect the constituents who elected them, but they were elected to be leaders, not followers.
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As a past Republican voter, I am totally dismayed at what members of the Republican Party think they are trying to accomplish. Even if you disagree with our president on many policies, he/she deserves the respect accorded the executive office. A junior senator who I question his knowledge of our government, even if he did graduate from Harvard, should not and is not the leader of the Republican Party. What is wrong with the senior members of this party? What do you think you are accomplishing by attaching your signature to this very ill conceived letter. You are not only undermining the president of the United States you are destroying the credibility of our country throughout the world. I would not be surprised that even countries alined with us will ignore our sanctions with Iran and leave the USA on the sideline.
As a retired senior USAF Officer, we need an excellent treaty with Iran and the Senate should work with our president to accomplish this act. You oppose the president and have offered not solution. To date, you leadership deserves a failing grade close to zero and I believe you will find this out in 2016.
As a retired senior USAF Officer, we need an excellent treaty with Iran and the Senate should work with our president to accomplish this act. You oppose the president and have offered not solution. To date, you leadership deserves a failing grade close to zero and I believe you will find this out in 2016.
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This is yet another instance of the constant eroding of our democracy. Until all voters get involved, until we have campaign finance reform that will put the election process squarely in the hands of the electorate and not powerful lobbies, corporations and individuals like the Koch brothers, we will see our democracy continue its slow slide into oligarchy. The GOP is doing the bidding of their powerful financial backers. Stop the financial backers and you stop the GOP from taking our democracy from us. This letter is the most egregious act yet of their move to overrule our legally elected president and disregard the will of the people.
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So, this "Imperial" Congress is now stepping directly and blatantly (and stupidly) into foreign policy, clearly an executive-branch duty. Where's the outrage now, GOP?
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The Republican Congressional majority has already proven that it cares more about asserting power than in helping govern the country responsibly.
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Sadly, our own State Department will sell us down the river.
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There is one word which describes this latest insult to the president, by the "R's", in a time of war: TREASON. Every member of congress who signed this letter should get a jail sentence. I'd call that : democracy at work!
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Article fails to admit that history is replete with instances of Dems flagrantly doing the same thing, just see what Biden, Pelosi, et al. did during Repub administrations. Disingenuous. Failure to report this is flat out partisan by media.
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The Republican Party of NO has now become the Republican Party of NO PEACE.
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Perhaps the illustrious Senators should extend an invitation through the White House to a senior member of the Iranian Government so he can explain first hand to a joint session of the US Congress the status of the Iranian Nuclear Program and why they may feel threatened enough to want nuclear weapons in the first place. So far the Iranians seemed to be acting more mature and rational in regard to these negotiations than some members of our Congress. The way this Congress is flailing around you could understand why any foreign government would be reluctant to reach any sort of an agreement with the USA.
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Implicit sedition.
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This is an utterly shameful act to try to undermine our President, particularly with regards to foreign policy with an enemy.
The GOP has proved once and for all that it will not even give Obama a modicum of respect.
The GOP has proved once and for all that it will not even give Obama a modicum of respect.
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Unlike many of us, these 47 so called senators didn’t take it to heart in grade school when we learned that Ben Franklin soothed a restive and justifiably nervous Continental Congress saying, “We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately.”
Since these 47 senators don’t want to hang with us, or the duly elected president of the United States, who is constitutionally empowered to conduct diplomatic relations with foreign nations, perhaps we should give them their wish to hang separately.
Since these 47 senators don’t want to hang with us, or the duly elected president of the United States, who is constitutionally empowered to conduct diplomatic relations with foreign nations, perhaps we should give them their wish to hang separately.
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These are many of the exact same senators, and certainly the same party, that empowered Iran through their foolish invasion of Iraq.
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To quote Thomas Jefferson, the President is "the only channel of communication between this country and foreign nations, it is from him alone that foreign nations or their agents are to learn what is or has been the will of the nation" and that "no foreign agent can be allowed to question” the president’s authority, nor “interpose between him and any other branch of government.” (quote thanks to HeyNorris, Paris, France)
So Netanyahu uses Senators as proxies.
So Netanyahu uses Senators as proxies.
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3 years in prison for all who signed this letter. It's called the Logan Act folks. Why is this not being mentioned? Are these guys above the laws put in place to protect our country?
The Logan Act reads.“Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
This is exactly what just happened.
The Logan Act reads.“Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
This is exactly what just happened.
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Should we also imprison Nancy Pelosi for her 2009 visit to Syria and her meeting with Assad while she was Leader of the House?
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I'm not familiar with Nancy Pelosi's visit to Syria and her exploits while the there, but if she was speaking outright against procedures being taken by our government in a public speach or letter, then yes.
Iran can't get nukes. Period.
So, whether it's this President, the next, or the next after that, Iran needs to know the terms of the deal will be the same.
What's so hard to understand about that?
So, whether it's this President, the next, or the next after that, Iran needs to know the terms of the deal will be the same.
What's so hard to understand about that?
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Here's a thought! What about all the members of the negotiating team agree to dismantle all nuclear weapons. Then ask Israel and Iran to do so. Next, all countries with nuclear weapons to stand down. Too many countries, too many weapons. Let's have a nuclear weapon day to dismantle weapons that will destroy our planet. never again a Hiroshima or Nagasaki!
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When it comes to Iran getting nukes, all of America needs to speak with a single voice. And that voice needs to say in a very loud & clear voice: "NO."
That's the message the GOP conveyed to Iran.
Was the President's message any different?
If not, then the President should be delighted that the GOP Congress showed Iran that it was united behind the President.
That's the message the GOP conveyed to Iran.
Was the President's message any different?
If not, then the President should be delighted that the GOP Congress showed Iran that it was united behind the President.
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The message was different because, although the President and the GOP said no nukes, the GOP said ignore our President.
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That is not the "message" of this stupid, condescending letter. It's message is: "You can't trust us."
And, I suppose, when it comes to Republicans, that's quite true.
And, I suppose, when it comes to Republicans, that's quite true.
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Well they are always projecting, you know. Since they are duplicitious, they expect that everyone else is duplicitious too, which is not necessarily likely to be the case. And of course, they live in a fantasy world devoid of any kind of factual evidence.
And as far as their demonstrated ability to govern, they should be designated the Republican't party, which is more in keeping with their very limited skill set.
And as far as their demonstrated ability to govern, they should be designated the Republican't party, which is more in keeping with their very limited skill set.
This makes it more clear than ever that the Republicans don't care about playing fair or the security of this country. They have taken their gloves off and are beating the Democrats to a pulp. It's time the Dems took their gloves off too.
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This is why the republicans will not win the White House for many generations to come.
If meddling in foreign policy didn't have such a serious consequence.
I suggest all those republicans who signed that letter need to put their able bodied family member on the list of those who will have their boots on the ground if war is declared.
If meddling in foreign policy didn't have such a serious consequence.
I suggest all those republicans who signed that letter need to put their able bodied family member on the list of those who will have their boots on the ground if war is declared.
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A recent poll showed that at least 70% of Americans disagreed with Obama's attempt to make a deal with Iran. Don't be so sure.
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"A recent poll showed that at least 70% of Americans disagreed with Obama's attempt to make a deal with Iran."
Was this the same pollster that predicted Romney's decisive win?
Was this the same pollster that predicted Romney's decisive win?
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Obama's highly divisive moves are designed to appeal to the extremists in his base. They will not win elections for democrats.
As I recall, Republicans in Congress continue to insist shutting down the Government is also a good idea--and due solely to President Obama's "provocations".
If the current Senate was actually a functioning representative body, I might agree that their collective "wisdom" would be valuable in reviewing an international agreement between countries and Iran about the future use of nuclear technology by Iran. As it is, no collective wisdom exists in either congressional body about foreign policy, domestic policy or naming rights for Post Offices.
Shame on any Democrat whose allegiance to a foreign power (Israel) encourages her/him to vote for Republican legislation designed only to humiliate President Obama.
If the current Senate was actually a functioning representative body, I might agree that their collective "wisdom" would be valuable in reviewing an international agreement between countries and Iran about the future use of nuclear technology by Iran. As it is, no collective wisdom exists in either congressional body about foreign policy, domestic policy or naming rights for Post Offices.
Shame on any Democrat whose allegiance to a foreign power (Israel) encourages her/him to vote for Republican legislation designed only to humiliate President Obama.
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Lynda Your comments are on the money but warrant this clarification, the allegiance of the Israeli fear mongering PM is personal, with Boehner, the leaders of the House. They serve each other pursuits. Netanyahu's is to remain in power and Boehner's to demean our President at any cost, they embolden each other. Hopefully, it won't work Netanyahu this time around and it may not work for Boehner in the next election!
Clarification: Netanyahu spoke at
Lynda your comments are on money but requiring the following clarification Netanyahu spoke before our two Houses of Congress at the invitation of the leader of the HOUSE the allegiance of this Congress is not with Israel but with PM Netanyahu notably a fear mongering figure that has thus managed to retain and misuse the power of his office (a throwback to VP Cheney you might recall).
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Clarification: Netanyahu spoke at
Lynda your comments are on money but requiring the following clarification Netanyahu spoke before our two Houses of Congress at the invitation of the leader of the HOUSE the allegiance of this Congress is not with Israel but with PM Netanyahu notably a fear mongering figure that has thus managed to retain and misuse the power of his office (a throwback to VP Cheney you might recall).
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Obama has a pen and a phone, and no problem using either when he disagrees with Congress. Why should the Executive branch be so surprised to find that Congressman also have pens and phones?
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Obama addresses his remarks to the people involved in the conversation, not a third party. If the Repubs want to tell him something, they can use their pens and phones to communicate with the White House, not go through a foreign outsider.
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Except that in this matter Obama has the constitutional authority and responsibility and the Senate does not.
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The majority of the comments here are comical, "treason", "prosecute them",
etc, etc. Yet when obama breaks the rules (even some of his own), these same commentators make excuse for his actions. Also please don't use "we the people and/or the people of the U.S. when you are only speaking for yourself.
etc, etc. Yet when obama breaks the rules (even some of his own), these same commentators make excuse for his actions. Also please don't use "we the people and/or the people of the U.S. when you are only speaking for yourself.
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Please list exactly what laws Obama broke.
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Here you are--the party line, this simplistic, doesn't say much to NY Times readers. Try a logical approach to explaining the action of the 47. Nonsense
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Just to name a few,
Obama proclaim that people could continue buying non-complying plans in 2014—despite Obamacare’s explicit language to the contrary.
Without Congressional approval, Obama gutted the work requirement for welfare recipients passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
Obama intervened militarily in Libya in 2011 without the Congressional approval required by the War Powers Act.
There is also something in the NYT about obamas betrayal of the Constitution, sometime back in Sept. of 2014.
Obama is not Mr Perfect that commentators here make him out to be.
Obama proclaim that people could continue buying non-complying plans in 2014—despite Obamacare’s explicit language to the contrary.
Without Congressional approval, Obama gutted the work requirement for welfare recipients passed by Congress and signed into law by President Bill Clinton.
Obama intervened militarily in Libya in 2011 without the Congressional approval required by the War Powers Act.
There is also something in the NYT about obamas betrayal of the Constitution, sometime back in Sept. of 2014.
Obama is not Mr Perfect that commentators here make him out to be.
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I as well see this action on the part of the Republicans as treason. What's next? A coup d'etat?
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The NYTimes reported yesterday:
“The letter [was] drafted by Senator Tom Cotton, a freshman from Arkansas . . . . Among the Republicans who declined to sign Mr. Cotton’s letter was Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, the Foreign Relations Committee chairman, who has been working with Democrats on Iran legislation. [He said,] ‘We’ve got a bipartisan effort that’s underway that has a chance of being successful.’”
The 47 Republican senators, who signed the letter, over the objection voiced by Republican Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, should consider doing something immediately to help the twenty-two American young men (and women) who commit suicide each day, having returned from fighting two wars in the Mideast.
“The letter [was] drafted by Senator Tom Cotton, a freshman from Arkansas . . . . Among the Republicans who declined to sign Mr. Cotton’s letter was Senator Bob Corker of Tennessee, the Foreign Relations Committee chairman, who has been working with Democrats on Iran legislation. [He said,] ‘We’ve got a bipartisan effort that’s underway that has a chance of being successful.’”
The 47 Republican senators, who signed the letter, over the objection voiced by Republican Senate Foreign Relations Committee chairman, should consider doing something immediately to help the twenty-two American young men (and women) who commit suicide each day, having returned from fighting two wars in the Mideast.
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I suspect that this letter was not drafted by any freshman Republican but that it was supplied to the Republicans by Netanyahu -- perhaps when he was here last week. It must be hard for him to act as president when he lives outside the country but he seems to be very successful at it.
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You actually think the GOP cares about soldiers? No, just continuous war
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Spring cleaning takes on new meaning for Americans this year. Make a resolution to trash corrupt senators and representatives come election day. Do not sweep them under the rug.
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I think this group of 47 is similar to the SAE frat boys singing on the bus. Their hatred of Obama is so ingrained, their thought process stops. Politics no longer stops at the water's edge. Anything to show their contempt for the President.
The choice seems to be negotiations or war. The Republicans can't wait to start the bombing. In the aftermath, a bloody, endless region-wide war, I predict not one of them will experience a casualty among their family or friends. War is for other people to fight. Like the frat boys on the bus, any harm or suffering they cause is too far away to be of concern.
The choice seems to be negotiations or war. The Republicans can't wait to start the bombing. In the aftermath, a bloody, endless region-wide war, I predict not one of them will experience a casualty among their family or friends. War is for other people to fight. Like the frat boys on the bus, any harm or suffering they cause is too far away to be of concern.
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Wait, let me get this straight...
DEMOCRATS are upset that some Congressmen wrote a letter to a foreign leader opposing Presidential positions on important Foreign issues?
DEMOCRATS.
All I can say is this: Pot. Kettle. Black.
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DEMOCRATS are upset that some Congressmen wrote a letter to a foreign leader opposing Presidential positions on important Foreign issues?
DEMOCRATS.
All I can say is this: Pot. Kettle. Black.
WR
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Specifics, please?
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2007 (for example) Nancy Pelosi, Speak of the House, on her own hook, takes a delegation of Democrats to Syria to meet with Bashar Assad at the same time the Bush State Department had refused negotiations on moral grounds. The White House asked her politely not to go, then fell over backwards when she did, and staked out an anti-Bush position with Assad on behalf of the Dems in the House. She even got a Republican to go with her.
Also in 2007, Pelosi led another group to Iraq, to meet with the fledgling government there, not to offer support, but to explain to them how having a Republican in the White House would not stop Congress from creating and drafting its own support documents for Maliki.
Both these trips were during sensitive times and negotiations, and the White House felt undermined by them.
This event is about a letter, not even a trip.
I fail to see the difference.
WR
Also in 2007, Pelosi led another group to Iraq, to meet with the fledgling government there, not to offer support, but to explain to them how having a Republican in the White House would not stop Congress from creating and drafting its own support documents for Maliki.
Both these trips were during sensitive times and negotiations, and the White House felt undermined by them.
This event is about a letter, not even a trip.
I fail to see the difference.
WR
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Better. Here's a list of times Dems acted in the foreign policy arena by doing things the current Administration asked, begged, them not to do:
1975 Democrats Sparkman and McGovern go to Cuba
1983 Ted Kennedy sponsors a delegation to the USSR specifically to bring the message that "We're not all Ronald Regan" to the Soviets.
1984 Ten Democrats led by House Speaker Jim Wright sent a letter to Daniel Ortega Saavedra in Nicaragua praising his actions in defiance of official US policy.
1985 John Kerry and Tom Harkin personally went to Nicaragua to negotiate with the regime after the White House asked them not to do so.
2002 Jim McDermott, Mike Thompson, and David Bonior fly to Iraq to try to preserve the Sadam Hussein regime, as the US was planning to take it down. Bush White House was "furious".
2002 Jay Rockefeller takes it upon himself to go to Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan to tell the heads of state that George Bush is going to take down Iraq.
I could go on.
As I said before. Pot. Kettle. Black.
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1975 Democrats Sparkman and McGovern go to Cuba
1983 Ted Kennedy sponsors a delegation to the USSR specifically to bring the message that "We're not all Ronald Regan" to the Soviets.
1984 Ten Democrats led by House Speaker Jim Wright sent a letter to Daniel Ortega Saavedra in Nicaragua praising his actions in defiance of official US policy.
1985 John Kerry and Tom Harkin personally went to Nicaragua to negotiate with the regime after the White House asked them not to do so.
2002 Jim McDermott, Mike Thompson, and David Bonior fly to Iraq to try to preserve the Sadam Hussein regime, as the US was planning to take it down. Bush White House was "furious".
2002 Jay Rockefeller takes it upon himself to go to Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Jordan to tell the heads of state that George Bush is going to take down Iraq.
I could go on.
As I said before. Pot. Kettle. Black.
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Who are the 47?
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I am so embarrassed for my GOP party. It has lost its way.
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So when the Dixie Chicks publicly criticize the president in London for invading a sovereign nation, they are called unpatriotic and banned from the airwaves, but when members of the United States Senate send a letter to our foes criticizing our president for trying to prevent military action, they are just doing their jobs?
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The signatories, if not guilty of treason, are certainly on the edge of it. Just as certainly, each and everyone has violated the Senatorial oath of office.
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I would like to see every last one of them impeached.
Theres nothing normal about our republican government, they do not talk like the rest of us or act like the rest of us. They are cocky and arrogant and have no intention of voting for any deal the president makes with the Iranians.
It is a sad day in America when our government gets caught up in the cowardice of religion and the fear of a God they have never seen or have any idea what God thinks about anything.
Their faith is as sick as radical Islams.
They are also less than leaders of men for not standing behind the president on anything. They have made it clear from the start that they weren't going to cooperate with the president on anything and they are doing just that.
I would like to know who gets the blame when world war breaks out because of their ignorance and arrogance?
What is their plan? It has been said that cotton meant with military defence contractors yesterday. If this is true they have their minds made up and are currently investing in these companies and taking donations from them for re-election. Blood money would be a better description.
Cotton and all his backers are a poor excuse for men and in cottons case a poor excuse for a soidier.
When I found out W was a Harvard grad I couldn't hardly believe it and now once again its hard to believe cotton is also a harvard grad.
There is no dignity in these men. These men haven't got the brains to make up their own minds on anything nor do they care to.
Theres nothing normal about our republican government, they do not talk like the rest of us or act like the rest of us. They are cocky and arrogant and have no intention of voting for any deal the president makes with the Iranians.
It is a sad day in America when our government gets caught up in the cowardice of religion and the fear of a God they have never seen or have any idea what God thinks about anything.
Their faith is as sick as radical Islams.
They are also less than leaders of men for not standing behind the president on anything. They have made it clear from the start that they weren't going to cooperate with the president on anything and they are doing just that.
I would like to know who gets the blame when world war breaks out because of their ignorance and arrogance?
What is their plan? It has been said that cotton meant with military defence contractors yesterday. If this is true they have their minds made up and are currently investing in these companies and taking donations from them for re-election. Blood money would be a better description.
Cotton and all his backers are a poor excuse for men and in cottons case a poor excuse for a soidier.
When I found out W was a Harvard grad I couldn't hardly believe it and now once again its hard to believe cotton is also a harvard grad.
There is no dignity in these men. These men haven't got the brains to make up their own minds on anything nor do they care to.
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"I think it's pretty obvious that the president does not want Congress to have any say so over the bad deal that we are certain he seems inclined to make,"
Sen. Mitch McConnell. I think it's pretty obvious that any agreement made by the group of nations, Including the United States, with Iran will be rejected by the GOTP and will be distorted and demonized by their press and in political ads. Currently airing is a piece of propaganda warning Americans about Iran and showing a panel truck blowing up as if Iran is coming to a town near you.
Under sane circumstances. congressional review makes sense. These are not sane circumstances. I called my senator Tim Kaine yesterday and urged him to remove his name from Sen. Corker's legislation. It is well pass time for elected Democrats to recognize that their esteemed colleagues from the Republican/Tea Party will not give any agreement a fair hearing, read what McConnell said, they are certain it will be a bad deal that the president will make. He ignores and, I doubt their base is aware, that the the agreement being negotiated is one involving the major world powers as well as the United States. From day one of the Obama presidency, it's been about delegitimizing Barack Obama, full stop. Noble United States senators like Tim Kaine and Ben Cardin should know who they are dealing with by now, but at least, I believe they will give any possible agreement a fair hearing and vote accordingly.
Sen. Mitch McConnell. I think it's pretty obvious that any agreement made by the group of nations, Including the United States, with Iran will be rejected by the GOTP and will be distorted and demonized by their press and in political ads. Currently airing is a piece of propaganda warning Americans about Iran and showing a panel truck blowing up as if Iran is coming to a town near you.
Under sane circumstances. congressional review makes sense. These are not sane circumstances. I called my senator Tim Kaine yesterday and urged him to remove his name from Sen. Corker's legislation. It is well pass time for elected Democrats to recognize that their esteemed colleagues from the Republican/Tea Party will not give any agreement a fair hearing, read what McConnell said, they are certain it will be a bad deal that the president will make. He ignores and, I doubt their base is aware, that the the agreement being negotiated is one involving the major world powers as well as the United States. From day one of the Obama presidency, it's been about delegitimizing Barack Obama, full stop. Noble United States senators like Tim Kaine and Ben Cardin should know who they are dealing with by now, but at least, I believe they will give any possible agreement a fair hearing and vote accordingly.
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This letter is just part of the fight between this president and congress. Who poisoned the well by bypassing Congress with an executive action to grant legal status to illegal immigrants? Who stopped congress by vetoing the Keystone pipeline? I believe the Republicans crossed the line here and returned the blows to Mr. Obama. The media, the press and we the public should stop this fight and ask both parties Congress and president to sit down and talk and compromise, otherwise is going to become uglier and uglier.
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Don't ask someone to get along when what you really want is for him to capitulate. When I read things like "poisoned the well" and "stopped Congress," I hear whining by sensitive Republicans who've had their feelings hurt.
This all smacks of Republican politics!
When Ronald Reagan was campaigning against Jimmy Carter for the Presidency, his staff was communicating with Iran to ensure that the American hostages from our embassy in Iran would not be released (and give a boost to Carter) before the election. It was no coincidence that the hostages were magically released immediately after Reagan was sworn in. Working against a standing administration in foreign policy matters is nothing new for Republicans who choose to ignore the ramifications of their actions.
The latest Republican gambit is crassly political. Their attempt to undermine ongoing negotiations with Iran over their potential atom bomb making capability is designed to entice Jewish voters away from their normal preference for the Democratic Party and to reinforce the loyalty of Republican evangelicals who believe that the existence of Israel is somehow a step toward the second coming of a Messiah.
When Ronald Reagan was campaigning against Jimmy Carter for the Presidency, his staff was communicating with Iran to ensure that the American hostages from our embassy in Iran would not be released (and give a boost to Carter) before the election. It was no coincidence that the hostages were magically released immediately after Reagan was sworn in. Working against a standing administration in foreign policy matters is nothing new for Republicans who choose to ignore the ramifications of their actions.
The latest Republican gambit is crassly political. Their attempt to undermine ongoing negotiations with Iran over their potential atom bomb making capability is designed to entice Jewish voters away from their normal preference for the Democratic Party and to reinforce the loyalty of Republican evangelicals who believe that the existence of Israel is somehow a step toward the second coming of a Messiah.
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If it were only mere opposition Republicans could have achieved their legitimate aim with a letter to the President himself asking for more involvement. Instead they chose an unprecedented move intended to derail negotiations before they have been completed and embarrass the President and Secretary of State. That is disgraceful and indefensible.
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In light of the recent GOP embrace of Netanyahu's "campaign" address to Congress, I would say that this is a bold-faced attempt to court Jewish voters in the United States, while taking pleasure in doing anything and everything they can to undermine Obama's standing in the world.
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Either poor or tendentious headline writing. Making it sound like it's all a problem of the Democrats being touchy and blowing their stack. No. That's not the problem.
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From the first paragraph -- the President should have seem their (Republican) opposition coming.
This makes the noble impulse to send a letter of opposition the the Iranians so much more sensible, right? Just can't keep that opposition under cover or within the family. Better to bring the opposition to the real opposition before ever really bringing it with the man they regard as a President on the verge of betraying his own country.
Our heroes on the right: marshaling ignorance and partisanship to the cause of allowing Iran the freedom to build actual, as opposed to theoretical, nuclear weapons.
This makes the noble impulse to send a letter of opposition the the Iranians so much more sensible, right? Just can't keep that opposition under cover or within the family. Better to bring the opposition to the real opposition before ever really bringing it with the man they regard as a President on the verge of betraying his own country.
Our heroes on the right: marshaling ignorance and partisanship to the cause of allowing Iran the freedom to build actual, as opposed to theoretical, nuclear weapons.
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Democrat or republican, at some point, we need to acknowledge that this president has been polarizing from day 1. He bears much responsibility in this. After the blame game is over, he is ultimately the commander in chief. The letter should not have been sent. But at the end of all this, his legacy will be one of inept, ineffective leadership and divisive politics that really never furthered our nation.
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Blame the victim. Please name a single incident when the republicans have been bipartisan with Obama. From where I sit they have from day 1 done everything they could to undermine his authority.
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The divisive politics actually began on Inauguration Eve 2009 with a meeting of the Republican elites to declare "unyielding" opposition to any new administration policies. They have pretty much kept their vow.
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Can you be specific? As I recall, the president had unilateral support in Congress when he was elected. He got all he asked for from both parties.
In directly contacting the leaders of Iran, those 47 senators have given aid and comfort to an enemy of the United States. This is the textbook definition of treason, for which the penalty used to be a firing squad. Since I do not support the death penalty, I would be content with life in prison without possibility of parole. They definitely need to be tried before a jury of their peers, viz., the other 53 senators who had the sense and patriotism to follow the Constitution.
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When the first nuclear bomb from Iran explodes in America, Senate Republicans will at least have the comfort of knowing that they do not have to blame anyone else.
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If the republicans have their way we may find ourselves in a nuclear war with Iran. Nice work!
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Perhaps the GOP are working in cahoots with the Dems playing good-guy-bad-guy to reach a deal that keeps Iran from building a bomb. Wouldn't that be a wonderful change?
The strong reaction from the Democrats only shows how right the GOP Senators are on this issue and what a sensitive nerve they struck in pointing out the debacle that Obama's negotiations with Iran is leading to. If the GOP Senators were as crazy as they are being accused of, then the reaction would be more of dismissiveness than anger.
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You think the content of the letter is more important than its form? Why?
Article II of the Constitution establishes the executive powers of the President. Section 2 of that article states, inter alia, "He shall have Power, by and with the Advice and Consent of Senate to make Treaties, ...." Perhaps we citizens should demand that our elected representatives pass a test on the contents of the Constitution before assuming office.
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I assume you mean the President and those complaining about the GOP senators' letter when you say "our elected representatives". The president announced that he was not interested in the "advice" (much less the "consent") of the Senate and the Democrat senators have not stood up to the presidents abuse of congressional powers on any issues,
Mary, the Iran treaty hasn't been negotiated yet. There's nothing for the Senate to advise on.
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What alternative being offered by the GOP? Everyone assumes that any deal with Iran will be a bad deal. Would war with Iran be a bad deal? Netanyahu for all his bluster clearly wants to obliterate the 60 million people in Iran because of their hostile Ayatollahs. Is that the GOP answer? Or is it that their disdain (as 'hatred' is too strong a word perhaps) of this President in particular and any Democratic President in general that has caused them to forgo all sense of protocol and decorum. They have strengthened Iran's negotiating position. Or more probably, Mr. Cotton, junior Senator and Tea Party zealot, is being used by more experienced Senators to make certain President Obama does not add a nuclear talks solution with Iran to his legacy, just as Nixon, as a Republican candidate for Presidnet, and Kissinger entered into negotiations with North Vietnam behind a sitting U.S. President's back to prolong the Vietnam conflict for political gain. Keep voting GOP out there, folks, and you'll get your war yet.
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The vast majority of these 47 Senators are simply using the best strategy they can devise to produce the desired effect - war. Most are on record as wanting war with Iran, as well as war with Syria, Libya, Russia, and North Korea. They also want to re-start the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. War is the default position of the Republican Party on every international conflict. Why is anyone surprised that they will take any action, anywhere, any time, as long as it will give them the war that they crave.
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Benedict Arnold is alive and well in the GOP. These Republican traitors have learned very well from their original master.
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The Republicans are simply tools of the Zionists. The alternative
to the Obama plan is America once again doing the bidding of Likud and
attacking a Muslim country. I always vote Republican. Not this time..
to the Obama plan is America once again doing the bidding of Likud and
attacking a Muslim country. I always vote Republican. Not this time..
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I consider the senators that sent the letter to Iran to be traitors. They have no business being U.S. Senators if they are willing to work in opposition to the Executive Branch by communicating with a country that has a history of being hostile to the interests of the U.S. How can charges be brought against these modern-day Benedict Arnolds?
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Republicans feel justified in their traitorous actions based on their racist hatred of President Obama. This is not about policy disagreements. Shameful disrespect for the Office of the President from shameless bigots.
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I see this disgraceful act by Republican senators as an excellent advertisement of what the American people can expect if we are stupid enough to elect a Republican for president in 2016.
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In part, the US Constitution says Congress should not be evasive when it comes to discharging their duties - ". . . without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God." The 47 Congress persons blindsided the President and the Country - they broke their oaths.
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I just don't understand why no one mentions the Logan Act, which makes Tom Cotton and his co-signees all guilty of Treason. I hope some young lawyer takes this up. The law is unequivocal on this, and Senators are citizens first and do not have the diplomatic immunity afforded to foreign officials -
"§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
"§ 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
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I would think that someone who violates the Logan Act would be guilty of violating the Logan Act, not necessarily committing treason.
Someone with a better legal mind than my own (which is almost anybody) please tell me whether or not this is a violation of the Logan Act?
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As others have shown, the action of these Republican Senators is unlawful. I also believe their action is approaching treason in their desire to undermine the official actions of the President in protecting the national interest.
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Congress is upset with the deal? There is no deal yet, the President is negotiating and for the Republicans who are supposedly protectors of the Constitution this open letter to Iran is criminal. What is upsetting is that the President doesn't really show his displeasure openly.
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Are you in Congress, insane? Are you so old you have nothing more to live for? If so, go into a cave, seal it, set off an explosion of, preferably, something not nuclear, & relieve the world of your toxic presence.
For more than 8 years, the elective representatives in Congress proved themselves incapable of acting in the best interests of the American people, incapable of effective negotiation & incapable of compromise. The only way this President has been able to accomplish anything has been to bypass you dimwits.
Insane people can not be reasoned with. I don't know what Kool-aid you numbskulls are drinking & I don't want to know. Either start doing your job or get the h*ll out of D.C. & make room in Congress for people who WILL do the best thing for this county, its citizens, & our world.
Google the 200 things President Obama has accomplished. In 20 months in the presidency, he accomplished more than most presidents have in 8 years. And he did most of it without the help of the Do-Nothing Congress.
For 30 years, I disliked & disagreed with our presidents. However, I respected the office of the presidency & accorded the presidents the respect they deserved. It's one thing to say you disagree. It's an entirely different matter to deliberately obstruct & undermine the leader of our country. You need to retire from Congress immediately & show contrition by giving up all Congressional benefits. Then go into the sunset & disappear from public view. You will not be missed.
For more than 8 years, the elective representatives in Congress proved themselves incapable of acting in the best interests of the American people, incapable of effective negotiation & incapable of compromise. The only way this President has been able to accomplish anything has been to bypass you dimwits.
Insane people can not be reasoned with. I don't know what Kool-aid you numbskulls are drinking & I don't want to know. Either start doing your job or get the h*ll out of D.C. & make room in Congress for people who WILL do the best thing for this county, its citizens, & our world.
Google the 200 things President Obama has accomplished. In 20 months in the presidency, he accomplished more than most presidents have in 8 years. And he did most of it without the help of the Do-Nothing Congress.
For 30 years, I disliked & disagreed with our presidents. However, I respected the office of the presidency & accorded the presidents the respect they deserved. It's one thing to say you disagree. It's an entirely different matter to deliberately obstruct & undermine the leader of our country. You need to retire from Congress immediately & show contrition by giving up all Congressional benefits. Then go into the sunset & disappear from public view. You will not be missed.
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Has anyone looked into the possibility that what these senators have done constitutes treason? Would an investigation be worthwhile? Does Congress have the right to deal directly with the head of a foreign state independently of, at the same time as, and in contradiction with, the dealings being conducted by the president? Imagine the reaction of the Republicans in W.'s administration, if Democrat representatives and senators had contacted Saddam Hussein directly saying they did not agree with W.'s policies.
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This letter proves the Republican Party has ceased being a legitimate political party. It is now a virulent ideological cult wallowing in a malignant Civil War mentality that poisons virtually everything it touches, foreign and domestic.
Let's hope that voters remember this in 2016.
Let's hope that voters remember this in 2016.
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If ever any of us thought the GOP Bull Clown Show left in 2008 and rode off on their white "chargers" into the sunset, we can forget it. What the GOP did by circumventing the right of the President of the US to set foreign policy is treason by any other name. Did these Bullies forget Article I, Sec. 10 of the US Constitution where in a state or party violates Constitutional law by setting up treaties without the FULL consent of both parties and the sitting President?
Or do these boys love making up their own rules to pretend there was NO 2008 or 2012 election? It is long past time to hold these bullies up to the fire of the intent of the Constitution that protects the minority party and the president from the kind of aggression of this Boehner House and GOP Senate.
Or do these boys love making up their own rules to pretend there was NO 2008 or 2012 election? It is long past time to hold these bullies up to the fire of the intent of the Constitution that protects the minority party and the president from the kind of aggression of this Boehner House and GOP Senate.
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The Republicans are acting in an illegal and unconstitutional manner. This is not a case of "bipartisanship" being "threatened." This is a case of our nation being threatened by those who would give aid and comfort to our enemies, all in the name of humiliating our legally-elected President.
I, for one, am sick and tired of allowing the Republicans to get away with this garbage. It's time to call them out and formally investigate whether they've broken any laws. If the situation were reversed, you can BET that the Republicans would be screaming, "investigation! Independent prosecutor!"
Listening to people whine about Hillary Clinton's use of private e-mails (a practice shared by her Republican attackers...talk about people living in glass houses throwing stones), you would think that SHE is the one breaking the law and allegedly committing sedition or treason, when she is NOT.
WHY are so many in the media and the political establishment willing to gloss over, or laugh off, the dangerous "antics" of a malicious group of people who would use their power to destroy the president and by extension, our country?
If papers such as the New York Times would do as good a job covering the lawlessness of the Republicans as they do covering the more benign practice of using personal e-mail accounts (a practice shared by many of the Republicans who are attacking Mrs. Clinton), we'd all be better off.
I, for one, am sick and tired of allowing the Republicans to get away with this garbage. It's time to call them out and formally investigate whether they've broken any laws. If the situation were reversed, you can BET that the Republicans would be screaming, "investigation! Independent prosecutor!"
Listening to people whine about Hillary Clinton's use of private e-mails (a practice shared by her Republican attackers...talk about people living in glass houses throwing stones), you would think that SHE is the one breaking the law and allegedly committing sedition or treason, when she is NOT.
WHY are so many in the media and the political establishment willing to gloss over, or laugh off, the dangerous "antics" of a malicious group of people who would use their power to destroy the president and by extension, our country?
If papers such as the New York Times would do as good a job covering the lawlessness of the Republicans as they do covering the more benign practice of using personal e-mail accounts (a practice shared by many of the Republicans who are attacking Mrs. Clinton), we'd all be better off.
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Who is running our foreign policy? The Pro-Israel lobby? For people who are always whining about "freedom" and the Constitution, these Senators have committed treason, all because they never accepted the fact that Barack Obama was elected president (twice).
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That even the Iranians thought this was a bizarre maneuver is very telling.
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I am struck by the number of comments in which people express confusion about what the Republicans' goal was in writing their letter and torpedo-ing negotiations that promote a peaceful outcome. How many more years will it take before we finally learn the lesson to "follow the money?" Until we have publicly financed elections, the Congress of the United States will not sometimes, not often, but will ALWAYS act in a way consistent with what they are and have been for some time, which is, first and foremost, professional politicians, not elected representatives. All their actions are ultimately explained only by what will get them re-elected. They answer ONLY to money, wherever it's concentrated in a way that can help the next campaign. If we want them to actually democratically represent our country and what's best for us, rather than capitalism in its most extreme form (i.e., the wealthiest among us), there is no other solution besides PUBLICLY FINANCED ELECTIONS.
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There are THREE separate powers in US Government: FOR A REASON..
Executive: Legislative: and Judiciary.
AMEN...
The Legislative Branch...in a partisan manner has been trying to USURP the
Executive Branch...and this has been permitted by the Speaker of The
House of Representatives...who has unlawfully conducted his office.
John Boehner must be impeached for misusing his office...no excuses !!!
Executive: Legislative: and Judiciary.
AMEN...
The Legislative Branch...in a partisan manner has been trying to USURP the
Executive Branch...and this has been permitted by the Speaker of The
House of Representatives...who has unlawfully conducted his office.
John Boehner must be impeached for misusing his office...no excuses !!!
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Sophomoric is the term for the actions of these Senators. What I cannot understand is why Seasoned Senators would follow the lead of a "wet behind the ears" of a Freshman Senator who has no idea about international diplomacy. Tom Cotton has not only shown that he is foolish but he has made fools of the other 46 Senators that signed his letter. Trying to sabotage international negotiations is not only stupid but childish. Why Childish? Because Cotton and the other Senators were holding their breath and jumping up and down screaming "we are in charge, we are in charge, look at us". Sophomoric, perfect
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The Congress wants to be involved in this decision? Is this the Congress that hasn't been willing to put their names on the line regarding ISIS? That held up funding the Dept. of Homeland Security for months? That couldn't do their jobs and pass a budget for years? Why would the President think that they want to be involved?
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Ok so hypothetically speaking, if the US and Israel were to declare war on Iran tomorrow, how likely would they be to gain the support of international community? How many countries would be willing to go to bat for another US led invasion? What would be the long-term consequences? With all that is going on in Syria and Iran, who, other than the extremist in Israel and the U.S., really has an appetite for war and a prolonged one at that. The arrogance in the republican party is mind-blowing. They are playing with ours lives.
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Obama should ask the Justice Department to bring charges against Senator Cotton for violation of the Logan Act.
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Consider how these 47 senators rose to power and who they're pandering to.
We don't need voter ID. We need voter IQ.
We don't need voter ID. We need voter IQ.
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The president brought this on himself. He choose to negotiate on a vacuum and disenfranchised the senate armed services committee and all senators.
All senators should thank mr. Cotton and the other 46 senators for standing up for the authority of all senators and for standing up for the sanctity of our constitution and freedom.
All senators should thank mr. Cotton and the other 46 senators for standing up for the authority of all senators and for standing up for the sanctity of our constitution and freedom.
The republicans and right of Isreal want nothing less than war with Iran. Diplomacyis not on their agenda, only death and suffering will assuage their paranoia.
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If it hasn't been said, I'll say it. My two Senators (I'm not bragging) are McConnell and Paul (Ron Paul's little boy), so I know a little.... First, I don't know if either are racists, but at majority of their base is. Second: These ARE politicians. Therefore, I can say: "a Black man" in "a White House" is a good reason to make sure that O'Bama doesn't achieve ANYTHING positive is their ONLY motivation, that's needed. That's MY opinion/feeling anyway.
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I think this one party who hates their own President has lost their marbles. One cannot even imagine this madness. So who is Iran supposed to be negotiating with? The administration of President Obama or the party in Congress. If these talks break down, do the republicans honestly think that the world will blame Iran for the break down? Do they honestly think that the world will go alon with additional sanctions now?
This cheap tactic ably supported by their leader in Israel is certainly beneath contempt and belongs in the gutter to which most of the republicans have descended into.
This cheap tactic ably supported by their leader in Israel is certainly beneath contempt and belongs in the gutter to which most of the republicans have descended into.
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The letter from the Republicans to Iran is a shameful, treacherous and arrogant act and shows total contempt and disloyality for the chosen leader of your country. Never seen a party before that undermines such an important negotiation for it's country and the whole world like this.
Yes, surprise, there are more people in the world than the Americans for which this is a crucial issue!
In any case the GOP has -again-stupidly shown the world that that party is at the moment not thinking responsible at all and is clutching at straws and tries sneaky tricks to undermine your President and thus your status as a nation at all costs.
Fortunately in this case the leader of the negotiations of Iran is recognised the letter for what it was; internal propaganda of the mean sort.
Yes, surprise, there are more people in the world than the Americans for which this is a crucial issue!
In any case the GOP has -again-stupidly shown the world that that party is at the moment not thinking responsible at all and is clutching at straws and tries sneaky tricks to undermine your President and thus your status as a nation at all costs.
Fortunately in this case the leader of the negotiations of Iran is recognised the letter for what it was; internal propaganda of the mean sort.
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Since Republicans in Congress have consistentaly refused to work with the President, thereby effectively making the US Congress not only a dysfunctional but also a veritable non-functioning gevernmental body their blatantly political "letter" to the Iranian government is not only insulting to all concerned it has raised "chutzpah" to a new level. This is what sometimes happens when provincial non=entities such as Tom Cotton are placed in positions above their knowledge and capabilities to understand.
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What an astonishing and treasonous display of disrespect for our President and for the Office of the President by the GOP 47. Surely such an egregious and blatant violation of the Logan Act should have severe DOJ and/or Congressional consequences--impeachment of the violators being one that comes to my mind, if unlikely.
Simply put: what's wrong with these callow knuckleheads? The Senate majority leader knows better and should be ashamed to have caved in to this virulent and profoundly un-useful faction of the GOP Clown Car.
Simply put: what's wrong with these callow knuckleheads? The Senate majority leader knows better and should be ashamed to have caved in to this virulent and profoundly un-useful faction of the GOP Clown Car.
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The problem that stands today in politics is not the policies, it's the politicians. The Republicans with whom I generally agree on policy wise are doing absolutely everything wrong in execution. They have no respect for the government, which was designed in a way that allows a veto-proof majority if it is represented as such and bipartisan coordination succeeds. Instead, they continue to shell the other side like blind patriots with red in their eyes for what? The people in this country are losing, and I refuse to stand with Republicans because they do Not represent what is best for the country.
This is the war within. Yet, there is no prize to win, only losers. These Congressional Republican tactics are a disgrace to the country, and is the definition of sedition.
Sedition: "conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch."
Sounds exactly what the GOP has been doing for some time, now openly. Perhaps some charges against the 47 on sedition would change things.
This is the war within. Yet, there is no prize to win, only losers. These Congressional Republican tactics are a disgrace to the country, and is the definition of sedition.
Sedition: "conduct or speech inciting people to rebel against the authority of a state or monarch."
Sounds exactly what the GOP has been doing for some time, now openly. Perhaps some charges against the 47 on sedition would change things.
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Thank goodness our ancestors opted for three heads to the US body. The legislative body seems to think, however, that it is bigger, better, smarter than the others. NOT. This recent letter to Iranian leadership signed by 47 Congressmen/women is insulting not only to the executive office, but it insults me, an American, and all my ancestors going back to 1620.
Last night I saw Ibsen's play, The Enemy of the People. How appropriate and timeless it is. I kept thinking of Obama and his diplomatic skills over against McConnell and his gangster mentality.
As a good citizen, I would never want to say "Off with their heads - but I can't help thinking it.
Last night I saw Ibsen's play, The Enemy of the People. How appropriate and timeless it is. I kept thinking of Obama and his diplomatic skills over against McConnell and his gangster mentality.
As a good citizen, I would never want to say "Off with their heads - but I can't help thinking it.
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Since the only possible alternative to these negotiations is another Republican invasion of a mideast nation, we should settle on the details now. In the first place, its time for a draft. We are still stumbling around in the ruins of Iraq and Afghanistan and an Iran invasion will make those little adventures look like fraternity hazing. This is no third world camel pasture and we will need a whole flock of boots on that ground. And the first place to get those boots is with a draft, beginning in those states, both of whose senators, signed this letter. If its war they want, then its war they shall get, but this time it will be the blood of their citizens that gets spilled first. Speaking of blood, this time, with Republicans lamenting the fiscal irresponsibility of the present administration, instead of financing this war with tax cuts for billionaires in the George W style, we could provide the necessary funds with a surtax on the residents of those same states.
Let's "you and him fight" time is over: if its blood you want, its your blood you will get.
Let's "you and him fight" time is over: if its blood you want, its your blood you will get.
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My son serves with distinction. He thinks these Republicans are dangerous fools.
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Why is this story not above the fold?! You can bet that Faux and the wingnut press and blogs are repeating, repeating, repeating their mendacious spin on this outrage--and as we all know, repetition is the mother of truthiness. It is not an exaggeration to point out that the 47 Senators have violated the Logan Act, but iIncredibly, NBC Nightly News with Lester Holt had nothing on this event last night. The seditious behavior of the Republicans from the day Obama took office is of much greater significance than Hillary's email. The media should be on this like white on rice.
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The GOP Hollywood version of "Dumb and Dumber". "Dumb": inviting Netanyahu -- just to spite the President -- to come here and school Congress on Iran and, in the process, lending unintentioned to Iran's position. "Dumber": writing this utterly stupid letter that has no force of anything behind it and just makes Kid Cotton and the Gang a laughingstock here at home, there in Iran, and around the world.
PS: "NM" below has it to the T: "The despicable actors threatening America are within Congress."
PS: "NM" below has it to the T: "The despicable actors threatening America are within Congress."
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Senator Tom Cotton seems to have found a way to distinguish himself. Seeing an opportunity to vent about presidential actions and policy is one thing but to spearhead this persistently rabid approach to the political process by a large group of both politicians and citizens is so hard to stomach.
The arrogance of our political leaders has reached a high during this presidents 2 terms in office. The country and congress are full of petulant children who play a dangerous game and play with the lives of others with seemingly little association to the value of a human being.
There will always be conflicts in this world. Those that think our president's voice, thoughts and commitment are not theirs have every right to think differently, but the level of disrespect these individuals have shown to that office over the past number of years, beginning with McConnell's "one term president remark" the tone from Republicans has gone beyond reason. And I'm afraid that is what our country now has become...a voice beyond reason. We are a nation of defiant game players with politicians seeking arrogant, self serving goals based on greed and control of the board.
The arrogance of our political leaders has reached a high during this presidents 2 terms in office. The country and congress are full of petulant children who play a dangerous game and play with the lives of others with seemingly little association to the value of a human being.
There will always be conflicts in this world. Those that think our president's voice, thoughts and commitment are not theirs have every right to think differently, but the level of disrespect these individuals have shown to that office over the past number of years, beginning with McConnell's "one term president remark" the tone from Republicans has gone beyond reason. And I'm afraid that is what our country now has become...a voice beyond reason. We are a nation of defiant game players with politicians seeking arrogant, self serving goals based on greed and control of the board.
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Yep . . . Let's show and confirm to the entire world how screded up we are. It's about the only thing this messed up ccongress has done well other than voting for what is a national snack or the likes.
I have never seen something like this. I don't care which party you are you have to see this is wrong. These idiots in congress should be held accountable.
I have never seen something like this. I don't care which party you are you have to see this is wrong. These idiots in congress should be held accountable.
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I guess that at worst, the partisanship shown here is simply unpatriotic.
Our Department of State has the duty of handling international relations. So the 47 Republican senators are interrupting Kerry's work: something that has not been seen in decades.
Ugly.
If certain Republicans are pandering to their base, then they should pay the price for such recklessness.
Our Department of State has the duty of handling international relations. So the 47 Republican senators are interrupting Kerry's work: something that has not been seen in decades.
Ugly.
If certain Republicans are pandering to their base, then they should pay the price for such recklessness.
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Why are there no headlines stating "Irate Citizens Denounce G.O.P. on Iran Letter"? Ordinary citizens are capable of understanding how far out of bounds the letter was in regards to how our government works under the Constitution. The senators are clearly attempting to undermine the authority of the Administrative Branch of our government. If they are not traitors to our country they may well be instigators of civil disorder when they encourage states to ignore the administration of national of law. Tens of thousands of citizens died in a civil war that defended the integrity of our Constitution. Are these senators serious about revisiting the issues surrounding the authority of our Central Government of which they are a part? Many of the senators clearly ignored their civics lessons and history lessons on their path to maturity.
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Follow the money. The papers and other media for the most part are owned by right wingers not the liberal media that the right always claim does.
Please read Article II of the Constitution
It is the Senate, not the President that has the authority to approve treaties. The President is simply the negotiator. No serious negotiator would blindside the other side by pretending otherwise. Nor would he suggest he has powers he does not have.
When is an agreement between 6 nations involving nuclear weapons not a treaty? Let's not pretend that it is something else called an Executive Order. Where do you see Executive Order in the Constitution.
Of course, the letter to Iraq disrupted what Obama was about to sign. Why should he sign anything without consulting the Senate to make sure it would be approved?
Obama can veto any law he does not support. Once a law is passed he can not follow those he likes while ignoring those he doesn't. He can not use an Executive Order to change a law. He must get another law passed to change it.
Obama has ignored the law on immigration, Obamacare, the budget and numerous other programs. Congress needs to insert itself more not less.
It is obvious from these comments that, although well intended, many of the authors do not have any idea about separation of powers and what rights and limitations the US Constitution actually provides both the executive and legislative branch of our government.
It is the Senate, not the President that has the authority to approve treaties. The President is simply the negotiator. No serious negotiator would blindside the other side by pretending otherwise. Nor would he suggest he has powers he does not have.
When is an agreement between 6 nations involving nuclear weapons not a treaty? Let's not pretend that it is something else called an Executive Order. Where do you see Executive Order in the Constitution.
Of course, the letter to Iraq disrupted what Obama was about to sign. Why should he sign anything without consulting the Senate to make sure it would be approved?
Obama can veto any law he does not support. Once a law is passed he can not follow those he likes while ignoring those he doesn't. He can not use an Executive Order to change a law. He must get another law passed to change it.
Obama has ignored the law on immigration, Obamacare, the budget and numerous other programs. Congress needs to insert itself more not less.
It is obvious from these comments that, although well intended, many of the authors do not have any idea about separation of powers and what rights and limitations the US Constitution actually provides both the executive and legislative branch of our government.
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Approve, when it comes before them. Not scuttle while still being negotiated. Not engage in their own parallel negotiations, or dis-negotiations. (Leaving aside the question whether this is or is not a treaty, which I'm not qualified to answer.)
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But the Nuclear Deal is NOT a Treaty it is a political agreement between Iran and 6 other countries which the US is just one.
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Well put. The facts always cut through ignorance and emotion.
The tactic by Republicans may not be the most helpful (lately, their tactics have not been veryprudent) the issue here is nuclear weapons in the hands of radicals.
Clearly the President does not have the constitution on his side in his pursuit of an agenda, but he nonetheless believes he is right and the ends justifies the means. Nonetheless, in this issue we need to keep eyes on the ball. We cannot allow even the "possibility" Iran will obtain nuclear weapons and the public should be demonstrating, often, that this is not acceptable. While we have gone from "we will not allow Iran to get a weapon" to "this is the best we can get" or "they will do as they say" what is obvious to any rational being is the present course will end badly, with a nuclear event or a war against a nation with horrific weapons requiring more loss of life than if we stop them now.
And please don't distract with an argument that this weakens the US because 30 years ago, we would have all peaceable nations follow us in the lead to stop tyrants, now we worry that no one will support us if we demand a stronger deal or need to use force. The reason for this is the world's view of the US based on 6 years of no leadership. The idea that we lead by being one vote in the international community vs. providing forceful confidence that we can make the world safe by preventing nuclear spread is a recipe for failure. Stop the deal now.
The tactic by Republicans may not be the most helpful (lately, their tactics have not been veryprudent) the issue here is nuclear weapons in the hands of radicals.
Clearly the President does not have the constitution on his side in his pursuit of an agenda, but he nonetheless believes he is right and the ends justifies the means. Nonetheless, in this issue we need to keep eyes on the ball. We cannot allow even the "possibility" Iran will obtain nuclear weapons and the public should be demonstrating, often, that this is not acceptable. While we have gone from "we will not allow Iran to get a weapon" to "this is the best we can get" or "they will do as they say" what is obvious to any rational being is the present course will end badly, with a nuclear event or a war against a nation with horrific weapons requiring more loss of life than if we stop them now.
And please don't distract with an argument that this weakens the US because 30 years ago, we would have all peaceable nations follow us in the lead to stop tyrants, now we worry that no one will support us if we demand a stronger deal or need to use force. The reason for this is the world's view of the US based on 6 years of no leadership. The idea that we lead by being one vote in the international community vs. providing forceful confidence that we can make the world safe by preventing nuclear spread is a recipe for failure. Stop the deal now.
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This is a president who consistently goes around Congress and thinks nothing of taking unilateral, highly controversial actions. He has excluded it from these negotiations over its objections.
Maybe it's time for democrats to figure out how to "honor the body of Congress" and worry less about honoring the "institution of the presidency".
Maybe it's time for democrats to figure out how to "honor the body of Congress" and worry less about honoring the "institution of the presidency".
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I hardly think violating the Logan Act is a viable way to deal with a "lawless" POTUS.
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When you can point to the part of the constitution that says congress has any power to negotiate or sign treaties, vs just approving a treaty, you may have some backing on this.
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There must be some playbook read by many Republicans instructing them on how to justify any hateful, revengeful action or non action they may take against the President, by blaming the President for making them do it.
There they go again trying to deflect the blow back from many American citizens for what some believe was a treasonous act, by whining that it is President Obama's fault. One would expect such infantile responses from two-year olds.
There they go again trying to deflect the blow back from many American citizens for what some believe was a treasonous act, by whining that it is President Obama's fault. One would expect such infantile responses from two-year olds.
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We have a Congress full of lawyers, yet they do not seem to understand the law. The Logan act makes what they did a violation of the law.
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When the Republican/Tea Party looks for directions, they headed straight into the laps of Sheldon Adleson and AIPAC, John Hagee and Pat Boone and the Christian Zionists, and the defense industry. Are these the people Americans want to design and execute our foreign policy?
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McConnell thinks the President’s actions are unduly provocative (according to the NYT)?? What the hell does he think the letter is? A get well card? Standard Republican MO: blame the President for its own stupidity.
As for Democrats, it would be so very nice if they gave this whole thing some thought (thinking would be way too much to ask of and way to challenging for the likes of Tom Cotton). How dumb do you think Iranians are? Do you think Iran doesn’t understand what would happen if it used nukes? It knows full well it would be irradiated for the next thousand years if it were ever to use nukes or peddle them to terrorists.
Iran is not some artificial nation, an oil-and-water concoction cobbled together by colonial powers. Iran is an old, rich, culturally cohesive, socially united, and very proud nation. Neither Israel nor the United States stands a chance of destroying it with conventional warfare. The only way to take it out is to nuke it. Israel’s sole purpose for agitating against Iran is so we take our eyes of the ball in Judea and Samaria.
You may not like the rhetoric coming from Iranian leaders but it is no more incendiary than the astonishing mountain of lies, the astonishing saber rattling of Netanyahu and his right-wing fanatics in Israel. It is no worse than the bull spewed by the likes of Tom Cotton and all the insanely jingoistic right wingers in Congress.
Do the damn deal and get on with life.
As for Democrats, it would be so very nice if they gave this whole thing some thought (thinking would be way too much to ask of and way to challenging for the likes of Tom Cotton). How dumb do you think Iranians are? Do you think Iran doesn’t understand what would happen if it used nukes? It knows full well it would be irradiated for the next thousand years if it were ever to use nukes or peddle them to terrorists.
Iran is not some artificial nation, an oil-and-water concoction cobbled together by colonial powers. Iran is an old, rich, culturally cohesive, socially united, and very proud nation. Neither Israel nor the United States stands a chance of destroying it with conventional warfare. The only way to take it out is to nuke it. Israel’s sole purpose for agitating against Iran is so we take our eyes of the ball in Judea and Samaria.
You may not like the rhetoric coming from Iranian leaders but it is no more incendiary than the astonishing mountain of lies, the astonishing saber rattling of Netanyahu and his right-wing fanatics in Israel. It is no worse than the bull spewed by the likes of Tom Cotton and all the insanely jingoistic right wingers in Congress.
Do the damn deal and get on with life.
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One can only wonder what else Republicans will do in the way of tearing away at the functioning of a great democracy.
Good thing there's a cool head in the form of President Obama.
He'll be the one to keep things stable. And that's ironic given the
GOP's willingness to humiliate their country by unprecedented
ignorance, including racial bias, directed at Obama.
Good thing there's a cool head in the form of President Obama.
He'll be the one to keep things stable. And that's ironic given the
GOP's willingness to humiliate their country by unprecedented
ignorance, including racial bias, directed at Obama.
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Since when do we start including foreign countries when we are feuding among the parties?
The Republicans say "the president should have seen their opposition coming" so they go writing letters to Iran? Then what's next, licking a stamp and sending if off to Putin? Did any of you read the letter - these "scholars" explaining the US Constitution to the Iranians? Laughable in a sick way.
As if Iranians could care????
The American people who voted for the Republicans (even though many of us wonder why they would do that anyhow) have put their trust in the people they pulled those levers for. To be betrayed that those "leaders" would do such a foolish thing, and who knows what else they will do in the future, is very sad.
For the rest of us who didn't vote for them, but because they are supposed to be our leaders with common sense and intellect to do the right thing for our country - we have been sorely betrayed also. They have left us with open wounds wondering what are they going to pull next to jeopardize our lives.
How foolish the ramifications of their disdain for either race, political party, or whatever their beef is with President Obama; but please do not create acts that jeopardize the citizens you were elected to represent. When they take it upon themselves to drag Iran into the equation of their jurisdiction, it is time for the American people to wise up and ask themselves some very serious questions, like how much are we going to stand for???
The Republicans say "the president should have seen their opposition coming" so they go writing letters to Iran? Then what's next, licking a stamp and sending if off to Putin? Did any of you read the letter - these "scholars" explaining the US Constitution to the Iranians? Laughable in a sick way.
As if Iranians could care????
The American people who voted for the Republicans (even though many of us wonder why they would do that anyhow) have put their trust in the people they pulled those levers for. To be betrayed that those "leaders" would do such a foolish thing, and who knows what else they will do in the future, is very sad.
For the rest of us who didn't vote for them, but because they are supposed to be our leaders with common sense and intellect to do the right thing for our country - we have been sorely betrayed also. They have left us with open wounds wondering what are they going to pull next to jeopardize our lives.
How foolish the ramifications of their disdain for either race, political party, or whatever their beef is with President Obama; but please do not create acts that jeopardize the citizens you were elected to represent. When they take it upon themselves to drag Iran into the equation of their jurisdiction, it is time for the American people to wise up and ask themselves some very serious questions, like how much are we going to stand for???
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What was once referred to as the "World's greatest Deliberative Body" has just confirmed itself as the "World's most Childish Deliberative Body." Let's send the kids home and get some adults in the Senate.
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Basically, This letter penned by Sen. Tom Cotton and signed by most of the GOP Senators aligns them with the leadership of Iran on the subject of Nuclear Non-Armament.
Additionally Senator Cotton's twisting of the purpose saying 'he just wanted to inform the leadership of Iran of the reality of the president's limitation in making the pact' he paralleled the method of Vladimir Putin's with his denial of his incursion into Ukraine's affairs.
Additionally Senator Cotton's twisting of the purpose saying 'he just wanted to inform the leadership of Iran of the reality of the president's limitation in making the pact' he paralleled the method of Vladimir Putin's with his denial of his incursion into Ukraine's affairs.
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The letter is condescending and disingenuous, but I don't see how it "parallel[s] the method of Vladimir Putin[]". Please clarify.
Brother it's mighty scary when almost half the Senate of the most powerful, yet most confused nation on earth, is insane.
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The infamous GOP letter did have unintended consequences. The American people will know which democrats are with or against President Obama's Middle East foreign policy. The Democratic party will come up united from this episode.
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Meanwhile, the Democratic sheep just wait for orders from their leaders. The robots vote the way their leaders tell them too.
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Just another disgraceful Republican stunt. Let's go this straight: We do not want a war with Iran. Israel has undeclared nuclear weapons. No U.S. citizen or politician should be obligated to profess love for Israel. Our job is to conserve our blood and treasure, not to pay for another country's war.
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Ok, I think our nation is now over. We are no longer a nation with united values. If there were doubts before, after this, there are none....
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"We are no longer a nation with united values."
The same could have been said at the time of the American Civil War, so how is this time different?
The same could have been said at the time of the American Civil War, so how is this time different?
It is time for the democrats to put country before party. I would like to encourage them to stand strong against President Obama.
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Not by breaking the law itself to do it, Bob. Ever heard of the Logan Act?
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These republicans are dangerous to our nation and its presidency. Warmongering by these traitors will insure I vote democratic for my children's sake, the republicans can't be trusted to govern.
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It would be nice if the Democrats denounced the President's wanting to bypass the Senate's need to ratify an agreement with Iran.
Not to mention the President's saying that he's not afraid of Iran's having nuclear capability because the Iranian Supreme Leader assured Obama that using nuclear weapons is against their religion.
Not to mention the President's saying that he's not afraid of Iran's having nuclear capability because the Iranian Supreme Leader assured Obama that using nuclear weapons is against their religion.
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There's no agreement yet! There's nothing to "bypass," if that were even possible under the Constitution. Leave it to the GOP to confuse a mere attitude -- or a rumor presented on FOX News -- with an Executive action on a completed international agreement.
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Recriminations are not enough.
The 47 GOPs must be incriminated by law for abuse of power.
The 47 GOPs must be incriminated by law for abuse of power.
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Apparently the legislators are not aware of one basic principle: Divide and rule, which the US now demonstrate to the world at large.
I suspect the GOP worked all this out with their friend Bibi on his recent goodwill trip to our seat of Government.
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Its nothing less than treason -- aligning one's self with foreign forces against our own government. Prosecute every one of them.
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Sen. Tom Cotton (AR) is supported by the Tea Party and close to the right wing of the GOP. The Tea Party has been against nearly, if not all, proposals made by our first black President. Tea Party followers are adherents of a belief system that aligns with right wing religious groups that strongly support Israel. The GOP, led by the Speaker, have aligned against the President of the U.S. It seems that Sen. Cotton and the other signers if his letter have been swayed to act on behalf of Mr. Netanyahu. The GOP is playing a very dangerous game with the future at stake. And, the GOP in their typical fashion, are now trying to blame the President for Tom Cotton's letter! What a sham! What twisted divergent thinking!
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The GOP hates Obama more than a nuclear Iran.
Nice going! Let's follow the lead of a two-month resident of your Senate. What have you to say to our allies in Britain, Germany and France?
This time I'm with the liberals. I signed the petition to prosecute these traitors in violation of the Logan Act. I urge all to do the same. Maybe they will listen to us for once?
Nice going! Let's follow the lead of a two-month resident of your Senate. What have you to say to our allies in Britain, Germany and France?
This time I'm with the liberals. I signed the petition to prosecute these traitors in violation of the Logan Act. I urge all to do the same. Maybe they will listen to us for once?
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I don't want to hear "irate." I want to see the ones who committed this illegal and treasonous act in a perp walk, and I want to see them brought to justice.
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Honest questions: Why would the US seek better relations with Iran? Perhaps because our relations over the past fifty years include wrecking their early efforts to form a democratic government, urging Iraq under Saddam Hussein to wage a war against Iran and resulted in the death of 500,000 Iranian soldiers, and because the US has been violating Iranian airspace and has working to destroy Iran's economy for some time.
Why would Iran want to develop an atomic bomb? Perhaps to achieve a balance of terror not only with the US, but also an more importantly with Israel some of whose sixty nuclear missiles target Iran.
Why are roughly half the Jews in Israel stand in opposition to Right-wing Zionist foreign policy over the last twenty years or so?
Why would Americans aware of the tinder box above find it odd that a political leader from a client state the size of the state of Connecticut whose continued existence depends on good relations with the world's greatest military power find it odd that such a leader was invited to lecture the President, Congress, and the American people on foreign policy and the need to maintain a war-like relationship with another country, a leader who seems unable to maintain anything other than a war-like relationship with other peoples in the region, all the while depending on the US for support and training nuclear weapons on most of the major cities in the Middle East?
Why would Iran want to develop an atomic bomb? Perhaps to achieve a balance of terror not only with the US, but also an more importantly with Israel some of whose sixty nuclear missiles target Iran.
Why are roughly half the Jews in Israel stand in opposition to Right-wing Zionist foreign policy over the last twenty years or so?
Why would Americans aware of the tinder box above find it odd that a political leader from a client state the size of the state of Connecticut whose continued existence depends on good relations with the world's greatest military power find it odd that such a leader was invited to lecture the President, Congress, and the American people on foreign policy and the need to maintain a war-like relationship with another country, a leader who seems unable to maintain anything other than a war-like relationship with other peoples in the region, all the while depending on the US for support and training nuclear weapons on most of the major cities in the Middle East?
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If the President is telling Congress to wait until it sees the concluded deal with Iran before it files legislation about it, why is the President threatening to veto any legislation that Congress passes regarding Iran, without waiting to see the content of the legislation?
What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.
What's good for the goose should be good for the gander.
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The Times should report the exact bill numbers and titles, so readers don't have to guess what the Times is referring to. I believe these are the two bills:
S.269 - Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act of 2015
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/269
S.625 - Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/625
S.269 - Nuclear Weapon Free Iran Act of 2015
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/269
S.625 - Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015
https://www.congress.gov/bill/114th-congress/senate-bill/625
"... why is the President threatening to veto any legislation that Congress passes regarding Iran, without waiting to see the content of the legislation?"
The bills have been introduced in Congress, so they are a matter of public record. The article is too vague to be sure, but I believe this is one:
S. 625: Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015
The bills have been introduced in Congress, so they are a matter of public record. The article is too vague to be sure, but I believe this is one:
S. 625: Iran Nuclear Agreement Review Act of 2015
Mitch McConnell deserves most of the blame for this unprecedented act of idiocy by Congress. He is the leader and ultimately is responsible for reigning in the right wing lunatics of his party in the senate. Whoever originally suggested undermining the president's efforts on this gravely serious manner should have been taken aside and explained, "I appreciate your idea, but that's not how we conduct business at this level of government". It's no different than if democrats had reached out to Saddam Hussein in the build up to the Iraq war. Everyone would have been "What the...!?" and there's no other reasonable reaction, whether from liberals or conservatives, on this obnoxious action.
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They should all be charged with treason. Or at the very least, lose their positions as they are not living up to the oath of office. They remind me of a family going out to dinner at a place the older brother (President Obama) chose and the younger brother (the lunatic fringe of the Republicans) is having a hissy-fit on general principal.
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As a concerned citizen, I ask in this open forum, the following question:
Since the GOTP has been riding the edge of treason since 2009, and now in the two months of full Congressional control, has taken directly unconstitutional action more than once...
Since the actions taken appear to be causing us international loss of prestige and direct harm, and appear to be aimed at bringing closer to all out war in the Mideast...
We need to ask, "When do we reach the point of enough?"
What is the process for the DOJ to begin wide scale action against so many in Congress that are openly preaching and acting on their their warlike seditious actions? There have to be limits set and accountability for actions. It's only two months, but the openly destructive actions are far too dangerous. We have a country to protect. I call on the duly appointed and lawful institutions of government to take action at last, before things get any more out of hand.
Based on the comments to this article alone, I believe I am nowhere near the only one who believes that SOME ACTION needs to be taken by the DOJ.
How much damage can this nation endure? It should *never* have come to this!
Since the GOTP has been riding the edge of treason since 2009, and now in the two months of full Congressional control, has taken directly unconstitutional action more than once...
Since the actions taken appear to be causing us international loss of prestige and direct harm, and appear to be aimed at bringing closer to all out war in the Mideast...
We need to ask, "When do we reach the point of enough?"
What is the process for the DOJ to begin wide scale action against so many in Congress that are openly preaching and acting on their their warlike seditious actions? There have to be limits set and accountability for actions. It's only two months, but the openly destructive actions are far too dangerous. We have a country to protect. I call on the duly appointed and lawful institutions of government to take action at last, before things get any more out of hand.
Based on the comments to this article alone, I believe I am nowhere near the only one who believes that SOME ACTION needs to be taken by the DOJ.
How much damage can this nation endure? It should *never* have come to this!
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first the Netanyahu invitation and now the letter from hell -
these 47 partisans surely live in a large red bubble that prevents
them from functioning as sane elected functionaries . They have
not only humiliated themselves, our President, but our country,
the latter of which is involved with 5 other countries in this
Iran deal. This may not be pure treason, but there must be
a legal censure on these political hacks who don't even
understand our constitution or the job of our President to
engage in the world ,make deals and work with other nations
to make a better , safer world. In all my 83 yrs, I have never
seen such hatred and disrespect shown an American president.
Frankly, I no longer respect the American people for electing
bigoted, hate-filled representatives to office and defy our
democracy in such a manner. I am both angry and heartbroken.
these 47 partisans surely live in a large red bubble that prevents
them from functioning as sane elected functionaries . They have
not only humiliated themselves, our President, but our country,
the latter of which is involved with 5 other countries in this
Iran deal. This may not be pure treason, but there must be
a legal censure on these political hacks who don't even
understand our constitution or the job of our President to
engage in the world ,make deals and work with other nations
to make a better , safer world. In all my 83 yrs, I have never
seen such hatred and disrespect shown an American president.
Frankly, I no longer respect the American people for electing
bigoted, hate-filled representatives to office and defy our
democracy in such a manner. I am both angry and heartbroken.
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It's a situation of "too little, too late". The letter has been sent to Iran after being signed by GOP hopefuls. And, since their skeletons are slowly being forced out of the closets by the ever-snooping and critical media, this presents a huge conundrum for voters. I can't think of one currently in the running that's worthy of my vote, considering. What's hard to swallow is the constant and persistent discord between the parties, resulting in the U.S. being the laughing stock of not only our allies, but our enemies as well.
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Not since the 1850's has the nation been so divided. A core of people has lost the vision of what democracy is including things like tolerance, justice, and comity. As then, economics plays a big role, some elites, fearful of losing privilege are circling their wagons and ceasing to be part of the American project. This cannot end well.
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One has to wonder if it is arrogance, hubris or insularity or a combination of the three that drives such seditious behavior. Taken individually or together they are the achilles tendon of a nation that pretends too be exceptional and that many would like to see exert its raw power irresponsibly, and more frighteningly since the Iraq war unilaterally.
What is brazenly apparent is that Congress leaves no heed let alone respect for the other "nation-partners" in this effort to bring Iran into the fold of the international community, that the four other nations partnered WITH US in this effort have no relevance to these close minded legislators
Now they want to force the administration to begin lethal arming of Ukraine against the will of major NATO partners and at a time when we are trying to ease tensions with the dominant military power in Europe, none other than Russia.
Yes, all three qualifiers seem to apply as our nation's standing on the world stage looses respect, and inherent to its dominant position increasingly adorns that of the bully, a Bush inherited image President Obama has sought to allay.
What is brazenly apparent is that Congress leaves no heed let alone respect for the other "nation-partners" in this effort to bring Iran into the fold of the international community, that the four other nations partnered WITH US in this effort have no relevance to these close minded legislators
Now they want to force the administration to begin lethal arming of Ukraine against the will of major NATO partners and at a time when we are trying to ease tensions with the dominant military power in Europe, none other than Russia.
Yes, all three qualifiers seem to apply as our nation's standing on the world stage looses respect, and inherent to its dominant position increasingly adorns that of the bully, a Bush inherited image President Obama has sought to allay.
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The problem is much deeper than the open letter to Iran's leaders Where and when it started is hard to pinpoint, but, when we have a president who says he is going to circumvent Congress and a Congress that cannot work together for the good of the country, it should be clear to all concerned that there is a very serious problem that cannot continue.
How to bring things back to a degree of normalcy seems to be beyond reach of the president and the current leaders of both parties. This is very frightening, because we face many serious problems where a unified approach that is fully supported by all would seem absolutely necessary to deal with many of those problems, particularly, a nuclear armed Iran.
A satisfactory outcome with Iran is critical as a nuclear armed Iran at any time in the foreseeable future would be extremely destabilizing to world peace. If that threat is not enough to bring our leaders together, then nothing likely will.
Let's hope that cooler heads will ultimately prevail, and our leaders will see that we are never stronger than when we work together, and, when we do, we are usually successful.
How to bring things back to a degree of normalcy seems to be beyond reach of the president and the current leaders of both parties. This is very frightening, because we face many serious problems where a unified approach that is fully supported by all would seem absolutely necessary to deal with many of those problems, particularly, a nuclear armed Iran.
A satisfactory outcome with Iran is critical as a nuclear armed Iran at any time in the foreseeable future would be extremely destabilizing to world peace. If that threat is not enough to bring our leaders together, then nothing likely will.
Let's hope that cooler heads will ultimately prevail, and our leaders will see that we are never stronger than when we work together, and, when we do, we are usually successful.
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Party over Country. If we saw this happening in another country, we would think a Coup d'état was happening.
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Just like the Democrats denounced Nancy Pelosi not just writing and open letter, but leading a delegation of Democrats to meet with Assad in Syria under Bush. Do Democrats really think they have any credibility on this?
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Do you mean the meeting Pelosi had the week after two GOP congressmen met with Assad in Syria? The meeting which she arranged via the state department before she went? That meeting?!!!
You have no credibility.
You have no credibility.
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If the senators were to be successful in their endeavour, what would be the consequences?
A first scenario would be the remaining P5+1 countries, so disgusted with the US, concluding the deal with Iran as the P4+1. Sanctions on Iran would likely be removed much faster than if the US had participated.
A second scenario would be the complete disintegration of the P5+1 and each country acting on it's own. Russia and China will fall all over each other to be Iran's preferred trading partner, and the EU will not be far behind. With a strong Russo-China-Iran alliance the US-Israeli hegemony in the ME will be history.
The last scenario falls out of an Israeli pre-emptive military strike on Iran ...... World War III.
So bravo, Senators. Which scenario do you prefer?
A first scenario would be the remaining P5+1 countries, so disgusted with the US, concluding the deal with Iran as the P4+1. Sanctions on Iran would likely be removed much faster than if the US had participated.
A second scenario would be the complete disintegration of the P5+1 and each country acting on it's own. Russia and China will fall all over each other to be Iran's preferred trading partner, and the EU will not be far behind. With a strong Russo-China-Iran alliance the US-Israeli hegemony in the ME will be history.
The last scenario falls out of an Israeli pre-emptive military strike on Iran ...... World War III.
So bravo, Senators. Which scenario do you prefer?
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Republicans have the failures in Afghanistan and Iraq as their legacy, so any rattling of their toy swords on Iran is suspect. These are the incompetents who called the President a baby killer. The partisan divide is due to them. It looks like Jeb Bush is their poster child for further intervention in the Middle East. Let's drop another $4 trillion into a war in Iran and lose many more lives over there. The Republican track record is bad in foreign affairs in the last administration. And their congress is out of control.
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When an Israeli PM has more power in the United States than a sitting elected President, we should really focus on who these elected senators and congressmen really represent, the U.S. people or the people of Israel. We should focus on who we vote for and ensure these Jewish lobbies don't have a say on who is elected but we the people.
9
America has stuck in a quagmire with its protecting Israel from Israel's myriad threats of its own creation. It is time to wrap it up with America's all overseas adventurism and chart out a new economic policy in light of the duo Asia giants China and India emerging 1st and 2nd biggest ecomies and world's biggest trading block as well as world's biggest tourism attraction.
4
So, do these Democrats support Israel or not? Seems it's a case of putting loyalty to a president ahead of good judgement and self resolve.
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The question is not whether the Democrats support Israel. The question is why the GOP supports Israel against the USA's best interest.
1
So you're saying that the 47 Senators put their loyalty to Israel ahead of their loyalty to the President of the United States?
The saboteur in the WH wants a "signature agreement" with the misanthropic Islamist regime - to the detriment of the peace. And the puppets are dancing in servile bouquet.
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I am angered and embarrassed. These 47 men DO NOT represent my nation! I call this treason, yes treason. I don’t give a rip what party they affiliate themselves with. Clearly this has absolutely nothing to do with the overwhelming goal of bringing any resolution to the numerous threats our planet faces with regards to all the discord we live in. this self-made posse do not represent the democratic system that is my UNITED STATES of AMERICA. Like him or not, We the People elected our president.
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I was horrified and still am at this action by 47 Americans elected to office to promote democracy and protect its citizens. And, I am horrified that these 46 cowards let a child Congressman protect them with his naivete. Thank goodness for the three-headed government we have. Maybe we should lop off one of those heads: Congress.
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This wasn't 47 MEN. There are women in the Republican senate, also. The seven Republican senators who did not sign were men.
Wrong. These 47 men do represent the constituency, thoughtful men and women, who voted them into office and who you clearly want to ignore. This it not just YOUR United States of America. It also is the country of the 49% of voters who did NOT vote for the President. This IS the democratic system which you decry.
The most interesting remark was made by Senator Bill Nelson, "And that's why I'm so saddened that we've come to the point at which we APPEAR to be so divided." What planet has he been living on. APPEAR to be divided??? The division is real and includes every subject that arises in the Congress.
9
"At the same time, more conservative Republicans are bolstering their position with their pro-Israel evangelical base and appealing to Jewish voters and political donors." .....
And so the reason for their treasonous action is betrayed. Sad, how very sad and outrageous
And so the reason for their treasonous action is betrayed. Sad, how very sad and outrageous
6
Let's close the elected government for two weeks and see if we miss them
8
If the 47 Republicans had any interest in actually addressing concerns about the deal other than to derail yet another Obama initiative, they should have written their letter to the leaders of France, Germany, England, Russia and China to try to convince the global community of their concerns. Just as Bibi should have then gone to UK Parliment, and other world powers trying to work together to rein in Iran's nuclear ambitions.
It is tme for America to give up being the world's police force-it is also time to recognize that any country that is as much a threat to the US as to warrant Republicans wanting to go to war, is a threat to the global community and we need a global coalitin to step up and face these threats as one entity.
It is tme for America to give up being the world's police force-it is also time to recognize that any country that is as much a threat to the US as to warrant Republicans wanting to go to war, is a threat to the global community and we need a global coalitin to step up and face these threats as one entity.
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If America is not the world's police force, you can be assured that the job will be taken by someone else -- someone not so amenable to human freedom. Since America has largely abdicated that job over the last six years, there are recent examples: Syria ("assisted" by Iran and Putin) and Ukraine ("assisted" by Putin).
1
Sure, because the world military police force before the Obama administration did such a great job in settling things down in the Middle East. Conservatives have ridiculed, scuttled, obstructed every single thing that our President suggests. How is it that that you cannot see what is right before your eyes? The GOP is the one destroying America's position in the world and making us look like a bunch of buffoons. They are a national embarrassment and nuisance, bordering on treasonous behavior.
if the Jewish lobby and the republicans are successful in killing a deal with Iran, it will guarantee a nuclear Iran because Russia, China and Germany will refuse to be Israel's stooges and will start removing their sanctions . This will leave the US with no option except the military one.
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"... the Jewish lobby ..."
If you mean AIPAC, you should say so.
If you mean AIPAC, you should say so.
4
Mr. or Ms. Haddad: The "Jewish lobby" is a term that people of good will should and will find offensive. Equating a diverse ethnic or religious group with a narrow point of view — particularly lumping Jews, who are overwhelmingly Democrats, in with Republicans — is on the face of it inaccurate. It's particularly nefarious considering the long history in the Europe and more recently in the Middle East of ascribing evil, conspiratorial powers to Jews.
While I share your support of the president's smart, reasonable approach to Iran as opposed to the naked political opportunism of the Republicans' or Netanyahu's, I hope you'll reconsider fomenting hatred by singling out people based on their ethnicity.
While I share your support of the president's smart, reasonable approach to Iran as opposed to the naked political opportunism of the Republicans' or Netanyahu's, I hope you'll reconsider fomenting hatred by singling out people based on their ethnicity.
6
I am a conservative, Bible Belt evangelical Christian who is not a fan of Mr. Obama. In the last election I voted for a losing presidential candidate. That being said, my duly elected president is Barak Obama and until he is voted or removed from office, I give him full support to carry out the duties given to him by the Constitution. I am horrified that the Republican Congress and their Senate counterparts show more respect and allegiance to the Prime Minister of a foreign country than our duly elected President. I am not a citizen of the United States of Israel. I am a citizen of the United States of America.
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When when when ... are the congressional republicans going to be held accountable for their behavior?
Wake up, America.
Wake up, America.
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With the findings of the Justice Department in Ferguson of rampant racism in the Police department and the disbarment of the fraternity only yesterday from University of Oklahoma (A place of higher learning), I wonder if our Congress also is not a microcosm of our Nation as they are from within us? No!
A lot of people in this country still believe that President Obama is a closet Muslim. The Republicans have yet to believe that the Office is what you respect and even though you may not like the incumbent, you still must respect the Office of the President of the United States. The shenanigans of the Speaker to invite a foreign leader to mock the President and now this stupidity, if not an illegal act, I wonder if this is the money of Sheldon Adelson or they are just so stupid that they keep cutting their nose to spite their faces.
If the deal with Iran falls through, I hope we have a DRAFT where there are no exemptions and that these congressmen’s children go to war with Iran and we have a tax on the super-rich like Sheldon Adelson, Haim Cohen Saban and others who want us to go to war on behalf of Israel, to the tune of 90% to pay for it.
A lot of people in this country still believe that President Obama is a closet Muslim. The Republicans have yet to believe that the Office is what you respect and even though you may not like the incumbent, you still must respect the Office of the President of the United States. The shenanigans of the Speaker to invite a foreign leader to mock the President and now this stupidity, if not an illegal act, I wonder if this is the money of Sheldon Adelson or they are just so stupid that they keep cutting their nose to spite their faces.
If the deal with Iran falls through, I hope we have a DRAFT where there are no exemptions and that these congressmen’s children go to war with Iran and we have a tax on the super-rich like Sheldon Adelson, Haim Cohen Saban and others who want us to go to war on behalf of Israel, to the tune of 90% to pay for it.
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The Republicans have been treasonous in their actions and its about time that something was done to stop this. The GOP is acting like its a done deal that they will have the next president. Not so!!!
Democrats PLEASE bring out your best candidates in this election, as we are ready and waiting for someone!! Hilary is ok, but my money will support any and all reasonable viable Dems.
Democrats PLEASE bring out your best candidates in this election, as we are ready and waiting for someone!! Hilary is ok, but my money will support any and all reasonable viable Dems.
21
So if Iran fails to agree to terms of a deal, how much blame must be assigned to Senate Republicans? What a foolish letter to send. If you dislike President Obama, you've let him off the hook if negotiations fail because it will be blamed on your letter. With good reason. I also like Slate's Fred Kaplan noting that it's entirely possible that the 47 senators violated the Logan Act.
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Whatever misgivings, concerns or objections any member of the United States Senate may have about President Obama's negotiations with Iran over nuclear weapons, they do not constitute a valid reason or justification for undermining the credibility of a sitting President and the reliability and public perception of our Republic.
The Constitution explicitly requires whatever treaty or agreement President Obama may negotiate with Iran, or any other foreign power, must be approved by the Senate under the advise and consent clause. The Senate will have the opportunity and Constitutional duty to review, debate and ratify by vote any agreement President Obama may reach with Iran.
The 47 Republican senators who signed the letter to the government of Iran have also signed their involuntary resignations from the US Senate at their next reelection.
The Constitution explicitly requires whatever treaty or agreement President Obama may negotiate with Iran, or any other foreign power, must be approved by the Senate under the advise and consent clause. The Senate will have the opportunity and Constitutional duty to review, debate and ratify by vote any agreement President Obama may reach with Iran.
The 47 Republican senators who signed the letter to the government of Iran have also signed their involuntary resignations from the US Senate at their next reelection.
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Why waitr for the next election to get rid of them? I think there is a basis to impeach them, and impeachment action should be initiated at once to discourage any additional traitorous Re[publicans.
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Everything mentioned in the letter seemed factually correct.
It's too bad Edward Boland is no longer with us. The Congressional Republicans could learn from him how to put the brakes on Obama's efforts in a manner satisfactory to the Democrats.
It's too bad Edward Boland is no longer with us. The Congressional Republicans could learn from him how to put the brakes on Obama's efforts in a manner satisfactory to the Democrats.
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What is correct in the letter other than the date? 47 Senators cannot change a deal. 47 Senators cannot undo a deal. 47 Senators cannot pass legislation. 47 senators cannot override a filibuster. 47 senators cannot override a veto. The Senate does not "ratify" anything. Tom Cotton has proven himself to be biggest buffoon in the Senate and that puts him in the running for biggest buffoon worldwide.
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Moreover, even if they can-- what the letter is basically saying is "please do not trust the US to be negotiating in good faith, ever." Great message to send out, right?
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I don't know how the world will respect United States when your own people disrespect the President publicly and internationally. Is this what the Republicans want?
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Maybe the story here is really "and a child shall lead them", how 46 senators who should have known better lined up behind the 37 year old freshman senator from Arkansas and publicly disgraced themselves. Clearly, the brains have left the building.
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Not only is Tom Cotton a freshman Senator, but a highly militaristic one at that. He has stated that he hopes the talks fail. He wants to increase the defense budget and supply more arms to Israel and has stated that "the threat of bombing " is the only language "they" understand. He also has the power of persuasion to line up 46 Senators to act so arrogantly against the President.
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It is time for voters to reject extremists. It is happening in Iran. We hope it will happen in Israel. It must happen in the USA.
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Where was GOP indignation when the US launched a needless war in Iraq looking for weapons of mass destruction, a war demonstrably built on false information that has bled both the nation's treasury and military dry? Is the little boy from Arkansas who allegedly drafted the document even capable of finding Iran on a map? Funny thing is why is Congress not concerned about the nuclear capabilities of Pakistan, a far more unstable shambles of a failed state? Or Israel itself? Clearly Israel is willing to launch at their whim according to their self-protection doctrine. Yes Iran must be contained but this feckless spectacle is showing Congress for what it really is: a pathetic group of old, white men desperately looking for relevancy and a sound bite.
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The extreme Republicans have become the nastiest cartoon characters I have ever come across. it boggles my mind. I couldn't have imagined the existence of such pitiful minds. Forget political correctness, they have been insulting us relentlessly since Obama was elected president. They are dragging America down. It's time to take the gloves off . Some of the comments I have read are insightful, considerate, may be even too polite. We can not allow these clowns to rule. we must clean the house, through the dirty water out and keep the baby, that's what you fight for, America.
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Party conflict has caused budget, immigration and foreign policy stalemates, and a health care dispute delegated to the courts. These unresolved issues affect most of us and many foreigners. The sequester was an agreement to make budget cuts UNacceptable to all. In Iran, any agreement is revocable. In health care the exchange you used may be make or break even though you probably didn't know you were using an exchange. Your immigration status depends on whether you had kids, so if you came here to make money and send it home to the family, we frown on that.
This is bad government, which often rewards the undeserving. The Tea Party got all this going. But mainstream Republicans and Democrats have both lost their way. I like the Democrats' goals the best. But they are not being achievied. A 900 page health care plan, a badly flawed immigration plan, a sequester agreement, and endless negotiations with the Iranians don't get us where we should be headed. Some say the Republicans should back off. Neither party ever backs off yet we have a history of good governing. Not any more. A pox on all their houses.
This is bad government, which often rewards the undeserving. The Tea Party got all this going. But mainstream Republicans and Democrats have both lost their way. I like the Democrats' goals the best. But they are not being achievied. A 900 page health care plan, a badly flawed immigration plan, a sequester agreement, and endless negotiations with the Iranians don't get us where we should be headed. Some say the Republicans should back off. Neither party ever backs off yet we have a history of good governing. Not any more. A pox on all their houses.
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Imagine if back in the 80's Tip O'Neil and the house leadership sent a letter to the Sandinista leadership in Nicaguara stating that the Reagan administration is not serious about a negotiated truce and to wait until they are out of office for a better deal.
If you remember back then whenever a congressperson, usually Democrat but a few of the moderate Republicans that existed would go on a fact-finding tour in Central America, speak to a group concerned about the region or meet with a delegation the right would go apocalyptic and shout Logan act.
If you remember back then whenever a congressperson, usually Democrat but a few of the moderate Republicans that existed would go on a fact-finding tour in Central America, speak to a group concerned about the region or meet with a delegation the right would go apocalyptic and shout Logan act.
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With respect to the letter from the 47 Republican Senators, to better understand this situation one needs to look at the financing of our Senators.
www.opensecrets.org has information on the donors to our Congressmen. They also track the donations from various lobbying groups. Elliott Management is an affiliate of Elliott Associates which is a hedge fund owned by Paul Singer. Mr. Singer supports The Foundation for Defense of Democracy. This organization has two other well known supporters, Bernard Marcus (Home Depot) and Sheldon Adelson. The FDD is not only a staunch supporter of Israel which is perfectly acceptable but it also has members as Senior Fellows who advocate (and have advocated for years) an attack by the United States on Iranian Nuclear facilities.
The following Senators signed the letter and their 2014 contributions from Elliott Management are included:
Ayotte, Kelly - (R - NH) $2,600
Cassidy, Bill - (R - LA) $45,900
Collins, Susan M. - (R - ME) $48,050
Cornyn, John - (R - TX) $42,850
Cotton, Tom - (R - AR) $143,100
Ernst, Joni - (R - IA) $51,800
Gardner, Cory - (R - CO) $45,900
Graham, Lindsey - (R - SC) $41,250
Kirk, Mark - (R - IL) $10,400
Lankford, James - (R - OK) $2,600
McCain, John - (R - AZ) $5,200
McConnell, Mitch - (R - KY) $59,800
Murkowski, Lisa - (R - AK) $5,200
Portman, Rob - (R - OH) $10,200
Roberts, Pat - (R - KS) $2,600
Rounds, Mike - (R - SD) $10,400
Sasse, Ben - (R - NE) $10,400
Scott, Tim - (R - SC) $42,850
Tillis, Thom - (R - NC) $126,300
www.opensecrets.org has information on the donors to our Congressmen. They also track the donations from various lobbying groups. Elliott Management is an affiliate of Elliott Associates which is a hedge fund owned by Paul Singer. Mr. Singer supports The Foundation for Defense of Democracy. This organization has two other well known supporters, Bernard Marcus (Home Depot) and Sheldon Adelson. The FDD is not only a staunch supporter of Israel which is perfectly acceptable but it also has members as Senior Fellows who advocate (and have advocated for years) an attack by the United States on Iranian Nuclear facilities.
The following Senators signed the letter and their 2014 contributions from Elliott Management are included:
Ayotte, Kelly - (R - NH) $2,600
Cassidy, Bill - (R - LA) $45,900
Collins, Susan M. - (R - ME) $48,050
Cornyn, John - (R - TX) $42,850
Cotton, Tom - (R - AR) $143,100
Ernst, Joni - (R - IA) $51,800
Gardner, Cory - (R - CO) $45,900
Graham, Lindsey - (R - SC) $41,250
Kirk, Mark - (R - IL) $10,400
Lankford, James - (R - OK) $2,600
McCain, John - (R - AZ) $5,200
McConnell, Mitch - (R - KY) $59,800
Murkowski, Lisa - (R - AK) $5,200
Portman, Rob - (R - OH) $10,200
Roberts, Pat - (R - KS) $2,600
Rounds, Mike - (R - SD) $10,400
Sasse, Ben - (R - NE) $10,400
Scott, Tim - (R - SC) $42,850
Tillis, Thom - (R - NC) $126,300
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Nothing new to this tip of the iceberg, just an illness that is getting worse, but be assured of the outcome as SCOTUS prescribed the medication to ensure America has the best politicians money can buy.
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I see that Senator Cottonmouth seems to have gotten the biggest share of the donations. (Cotton, Tom - (R - AR) $143,100)
Interesting. Bought and paid for.
Interesting. Bought and paid for.
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It is not a coincidence that the one who took the biggest bribe is the one who wrote the letter.
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Ah! So there's the 47% Romney was trying to warn us about.
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I think this country has to accept its limitations. We are smack in the middle of a sunni-Shia war and everytime we get more involved increases our exposure. Bush tried to stop what he thought was the development of WMD's. He succeeded in beginning the latest Shia Sunni conflict.Obama's last foray into this mess was getting Kaddafi out of Libya. The result was weapons were spread throughout Africa. Guess what, folks Obama and the Republicans cannot prevent Iran and any of its Shia allies from getting nuclear weapons. It is too late. Pakistan, one of the leading Sunni nations already has (uncontrolled) nuclear weapon). The one thing we can do is to assure our own security by policing our borders and preventing nuclear material from being smuggled in here. Ultimately, the only hope is the Moslem nations go through changes that improve their quality of life. Given overpopulation and water shortages, that is not going to happen.
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WE now have a freshman senator with two months on the job as the leader of the Republican Senate. Tom Cotton. What a disaster. First the house under the leadership of Ted Cruz now this. What is the use of having a President. These kids want to run the country. They have no interest in anything but their own agenda. Hold on this ride is going to be rough.
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I have a theory about what is going on:
Congressional Republicans have so riled up their base to hate Obama as a person, that they can not - being the party controlling congress - do any actual governing (which = "Obama embrace" in their base) without some compensating negative action, preferably, as insulting as possible to the Presidency. Doesn't matter if it demeans they themselves,or even if it hurts the larger body politic that is how hate works. It prefers mutual loss to mutual gain.
So, Boehner has Nentanyahu attack Obama at the Congressional podium, then he immediately uses that cover to schedule a vote to fund homeland security. McConnell sends an open letter to Iranian hardliners, then schedules confirmation of the new Attorney General (or as they might call her at deep conservative base central, "Hold-ice" or "Ri-der"), who he knows they have to approve.
Watch for similar pairings as we go through this Congress, it's going to be a long 1 year plus or so until the focus completely shifts to the 2016 presidential nominees.
Congressional Republicans have so riled up their base to hate Obama as a person, that they can not - being the party controlling congress - do any actual governing (which = "Obama embrace" in their base) without some compensating negative action, preferably, as insulting as possible to the Presidency. Doesn't matter if it demeans they themselves,or even if it hurts the larger body politic that is how hate works. It prefers mutual loss to mutual gain.
So, Boehner has Nentanyahu attack Obama at the Congressional podium, then he immediately uses that cover to schedule a vote to fund homeland security. McConnell sends an open letter to Iranian hardliners, then schedules confirmation of the new Attorney General (or as they might call her at deep conservative base central, "Hold-ice" or "Ri-der"), who he knows they have to approve.
Watch for similar pairings as we go through this Congress, it's going to be a long 1 year plus or so until the focus completely shifts to the 2016 presidential nominees.
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I believe Democrats have been complaining since November pretty loudly. Why did Congress shift to a more conservative state anyway? Votes? The electorate(which was heavy in Obama's margin in 2012)?
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Troll:
The electorate in 2014 was the LOWEST percentage turnout in many years.
The Repubs "won" because only their far right wing nut voters bothered to turn out in force.. Wait until 2016 and watch what happens.
Won't be pretty for Repubs. Democrats are getting totally fed up with this RepubliCANT incompetence and stupidity. Count on it.
The electorate in 2014 was the LOWEST percentage turnout in many years.
The Repubs "won" because only their far right wing nut voters bothered to turn out in force.. Wait until 2016 and watch what happens.
Won't be pretty for Repubs. Democrats are getting totally fed up with this RepubliCANT incompetence and stupidity. Count on it.
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An interesting letter aimed at Iranian leadership, but for many American voters it contains a scary assertion: “ … senators may serve an unlimited number of six year terms.” As if that weren’t scary enough it follows: “ … President Obama will leave office in January 2017, while most of us (presumably the signers) will remain in office well beyond then - perhaps decades.”
If the National Political Committees ever needed a 2016 get-out-the-vote call for the swing states this letter is the call.
As to the impact of the letter, did the signers take into account that any possible agreement they are attacking will also be signed by the leaders of Germany, France, Great Britain, China, and Russia? Those signatories will react at the least to an attempted US back-out in a way that might cause the US to appear globally unseemly.
Could this group of Republican senators have been in a political trance, contending that some future senate, Republican perhaps, would attempt to override a possible six nation agreement with Iran? Further presuming they would be accompanied by a Republican president, like them, not fully conscious, politically.
If the National Political Committees ever needed a 2016 get-out-the-vote call for the swing states this letter is the call.
As to the impact of the letter, did the signers take into account that any possible agreement they are attacking will also be signed by the leaders of Germany, France, Great Britain, China, and Russia? Those signatories will react at the least to an attempted US back-out in a way that might cause the US to appear globally unseemly.
Could this group of Republican senators have been in a political trance, contending that some future senate, Republican perhaps, would attempt to override a possible six nation agreement with Iran? Further presuming they would be accompanied by a Republican president, like them, not fully conscious, politically.
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If the Democrats had sent such a letter during the run up to the Iraq invasion the outcry would have been thundering by the Republicans and their associated media.
What has become of our country? Will we survive?
What has become of our country? Will we survive?
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Only if we vote every election, and vote them out of office.
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But the republicans cheat, they steal elections, they don't win them. The democrats get millions more votes but still it is the republicans who are installed in office by corrupt and unethical laws that they have passed and by corrupt and unethical judges that republicans install in office.
No matter how many times they have been caught rigging elections, nothing is done to them because the rich own them and the rich will never allow their puppets to fall.
No matter how many times they have been caught rigging elections, nothing is done to them because the rich own them and the rich will never allow their puppets to fall.
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The Senate turning our country into a reality TV show for the rest of the world to witness. I am shocked and appalled.
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The Supreme Court ruled in
United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp.:
" It is important to bear in mind that we are here dealing not alone with an authority vested in the President by an exertion of legislative power, but with such an authority plus the very delicate, plenary and exclusive power of the President as the sole organ of the federal government in the field of international relations–a power which does not require as a basis for its exercise an act of Congress, but which, of course, like every other governmental power, must be exercised in subordination to the applicable provisions of the Constitution. "
This effort by the Republicans in the Senate, as well as the House's invitation to Prime Minister Netanyahu, are attempts to conduct foreign policy and are clearly outside the range of their authority.
United States v. Curtiss-Wright Export Corp.:
" It is important to bear in mind that we are here dealing not alone with an authority vested in the President by an exertion of legislative power, but with such an authority plus the very delicate, plenary and exclusive power of the President as the sole organ of the federal government in the field of international relations–a power which does not require as a basis for its exercise an act of Congress, but which, of course, like every other governmental power, must be exercised in subordination to the applicable provisions of the Constitution. "
This effort by the Republicans in the Senate, as well as the House's invitation to Prime Minister Netanyahu, are attempts to conduct foreign policy and are clearly outside the range of their authority.
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You are quoting Justice Sutherland's ruling in favor of the government. Which gives the executive branch a wide latitude for interpretation; and the specifics of action are Judicially interpereted in a state of peace. The classic "shoot first, ask questions later" phenomenon. The president is subordinate to the legislative branch on all Constitutional decision. Obama cannot declare war, but act in a policing manner only and send troops where he/she deems fit. Congress can veto anything the president does at any point in time IF they get enough votes. Foreign policy is not one person or administrations sole reign. This "deal" IS in the president's scope. But nothing can be put in stone without consort and affirmation of legislation. Just like no treaty, amnesty, demilitarization etc. can be passed without Congress's consent. This effort is well in the legislations scope. If it weren't, then all other policies would then default to the executive branch and thus eliminate the need for legislation to be an entity.
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When the opposition's hatred of a particular sitting President leads them to write, sign and send what is, to all purposes, a disavowal of an elected President's authority to conduct foreign policy, it's a very dark day for the US. Moreover, the tone of the letter is so patronizing, so evidently ignorant of its audience, it's staggering.
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This is another case of old, white men who are way out of their league in brain power & gravitas, and who have displayed their disloyalty to the people and the government they swore to protect and defend. Their time has past. They can't cope with a world that is changing around them and which they can no longer control. They show no respect for President Obama because they are basically bigots toward everyone who is not old, white and male. This is very shameful. But they seem to know no shame for their actions.
Maybe they should be tried under the Logan Act; 3 years in the federal prison system would do wonders for their lack of good sense.
The sooner we get them out of Washington the better for all of us.
All they care about is constant war, anyway. They do nothing constructive for our nation, its people or the world.
Such a waste of precious time when there are so many problems in our world
that need the full and thoughtful effort of our leaders.
JMS
Maybe they should be tried under the Logan Act; 3 years in the federal prison system would do wonders for their lack of good sense.
The sooner we get them out of Washington the better for all of us.
All they care about is constant war, anyway. They do nothing constructive for our nation, its people or the world.
Such a waste of precious time when there are so many problems in our world
that need the full and thoughtful effort of our leaders.
JMS
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I vote we send the republican controlled congress to Iran in exchange for a generation of peace. I think the U.S. will get the better end of the deal in the long run.
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The results of the last presidential election did not include the name of any one of the 47 Republican senators listed as a winner. We're currently dealing with these renegades trying to masquerade as the Commander in Chief. Unfortunately, their stupid blunder only makes America appear weak.
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Just imagine the Republican response if the Democrats pulled the same stunt under President Romney or McCain?
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The federal government is dysfunctional, juvenile, and arrogant. The president usurps legislative power by selectively not enforcing laws, making sweeping immigration reform by executive order, pushing through a health-care reform with zero negotiation with Congress. Congress drags its feet in confirming appointees, invites Netanyahu to speak, and writes letters to Iran. And the Secretary of State uses a private e-mail account for official government business then decides what she is going to provide and what she is going to delete. They all deserve each other and unfortunately we deserve what we vote for.
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There needs to be - at the very least - an inquiry as to whether any statutes have been violated. And then, if appropriate, there need to be charges. Enough, already, with this Republican song and dance.
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Aiding and abetting the enemy is an act of treason. The 47 are all traitors. They should be charged and tried, just to make the point. In times of war those who try to weaken the US position on the battlefield or in negotiations, are traitors.
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The Republicans plunge deeper and deeper into their rabbit hole. I honestly don't think I have anything in common with the Republican party. They're delusional, ignorant, unsophisticated, disrespectful...I could go one buy why bother. Despicable.
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Dear NYT moderator:
Let's finally get the names of "The 47" Republican Senators who signed this infamous “Letter to the Leaders of Iran” up on the board.
Here's the list, by states represented. Note the predominance of Confederacy and rural plains states.
This list also notes with respect the names of the 7 Republican Senators who refused to sign.
Alabama: Richard Shelby, Jeff Sessions
Alaska: Daniel Sullivan (not signing: Lisa Murkowski)
Arizona: John McCain (not signing: Jeff Flake)
Arkansas: John Boozman, Tom Cotton
Colorado: Cory Gardner
Florida: Marco Rubio
Georgia: Johnny Isakson, David Perdue
Idaho: Mike Crapo, James E. Risch
Illinois: Mark Kirk
Indiana: (not signing: Dan Coats)
Iowa: Joni Ernst, Chuck Grassley
Kansas: Jerry Moran, Pat Roberts
Kentucky: Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul
Louisiana: Bill Cassidy, David Vitter
Maine: (not signing: Susan Collins)
Mississippi: Roger Wicker (not signing: Thad Cochran)
Missouri: Roy Blunt
Montana: Steve Daines
Nebraska: Deb Fischer, Ben Sasse
Nevada: Dean Heller
New Hampshire: Kelly Ayotte
North Carolina: Richard Burr, Thom Tillis
North Dakota: John Hoeven, Mike Rounds
Ohio: Rob Portman
Oklahoma: James Inhofe, James Lankford
Pennsylvania: Pat Toomey
South Carolina: Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott
South Dakota: John Thune
Tennessee: (not signing: Lamar Alexander, Bob Corker)
Texas: John Cornyn, Ted Cruz
Utah: Orrin Hatch, Mike Lee
West Virginia: Shelley Moore Capito
Wisconsin: Ron Johnson
Wyoming: John Barrasso, Mike Enzi.
Let's finally get the names of "The 47" Republican Senators who signed this infamous “Letter to the Leaders of Iran” up on the board.
Here's the list, by states represented. Note the predominance of Confederacy and rural plains states.
This list also notes with respect the names of the 7 Republican Senators who refused to sign.
Alabama: Richard Shelby, Jeff Sessions
Alaska: Daniel Sullivan (not signing: Lisa Murkowski)
Arizona: John McCain (not signing: Jeff Flake)
Arkansas: John Boozman, Tom Cotton
Colorado: Cory Gardner
Florida: Marco Rubio
Georgia: Johnny Isakson, David Perdue
Idaho: Mike Crapo, James E. Risch
Illinois: Mark Kirk
Indiana: (not signing: Dan Coats)
Iowa: Joni Ernst, Chuck Grassley
Kansas: Jerry Moran, Pat Roberts
Kentucky: Mitch McConnell, Rand Paul
Louisiana: Bill Cassidy, David Vitter
Maine: (not signing: Susan Collins)
Mississippi: Roger Wicker (not signing: Thad Cochran)
Missouri: Roy Blunt
Montana: Steve Daines
Nebraska: Deb Fischer, Ben Sasse
Nevada: Dean Heller
New Hampshire: Kelly Ayotte
North Carolina: Richard Burr, Thom Tillis
North Dakota: John Hoeven, Mike Rounds
Ohio: Rob Portman
Oklahoma: James Inhofe, James Lankford
Pennsylvania: Pat Toomey
South Carolina: Lindsey Graham, Tim Scott
South Dakota: John Thune
Tennessee: (not signing: Lamar Alexander, Bob Corker)
Texas: John Cornyn, Ted Cruz
Utah: Orrin Hatch, Mike Lee
West Virginia: Shelley Moore Capito
Wisconsin: Ron Johnson
Wyoming: John Barrasso, Mike Enzi.
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Bravo! Great list - Benedict Arnold would have been proud of his partners. So many years apart and so close in deed and spirit.
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"Note the predominance of Confederacy and rural plains states."
Why should we "note" that?
FYI, the letter and signers are on Sen. Cotton's senate web site:
http://www.cotton.senate.gov/content/cotton-and-46-fellow-senators-send-...
Why should we "note" that?
FYI, the letter and signers are on Sen. Cotton's senate web site:
http://www.cotton.senate.gov/content/cotton-and-46-fellow-senators-send-...
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These names are well publicized. It was an open letter for all to read and interpret. The letter explains Constitutional process and how Congress can overturn the Executive branch if enough votes apply. There are no confederate states, and to point out your math, there were 11 civil war confederate states. It seems that 33 states are listed. What is rural about TX, OK, TN, AR, AK, GA, IL, IN?
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The Honorable Senator Cotton:
I am sure you are not aware but many of the people of the Middle East look a great deal like President Obama since they share roots. Another observation that may have not been explained at Harvard Law but a large population of Iran is educated and even educated in the U.S. In fact the Iranian cabinet has more American educated PhDs than the American cabinet. Also the general population is very young and tech connected to the rest of the world. I would suspect that no one in Iran appreciates being demeaned and degraded by a racists, Republican who has no idea or appreciate for foreign policy nor for the American public who voted overwhelming for President Obama. You have created rare opportunity for yourself. You can single handedly dispel the world view of the Republican party as a racists group of clowns who can be bought and show the world what a real leader would do. Apologize to the President and the American public for your reprehensible actions and it might be the beginning of turning the Republican party around.
I am sure you are not aware but many of the people of the Middle East look a great deal like President Obama since they share roots. Another observation that may have not been explained at Harvard Law but a large population of Iran is educated and even educated in the U.S. In fact the Iranian cabinet has more American educated PhDs than the American cabinet. Also the general population is very young and tech connected to the rest of the world. I would suspect that no one in Iran appreciates being demeaned and degraded by a racists, Republican who has no idea or appreciate for foreign policy nor for the American public who voted overwhelming for President Obama. You have created rare opportunity for yourself. You can single handedly dispel the world view of the Republican party as a racists group of clowns who can be bought and show the world what a real leader would do. Apologize to the President and the American public for your reprehensible actions and it might be the beginning of turning the Republican party around.
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Jena,
Why should it matter what our President looks like? Why should it matter what Iranians look like? I have a good Iranian friend whom is working on his PhD in thermodynamics at Kansas State. His plans to teach at the University of Tabriz is fantastic. I greatly encourage him in all his endeavors. Now, I vote Republican most of the time generally because their interests and my interests align. I do not agree with anti-gay, race, women's rights(body or mind), and religious discrimination. Many are like me. Comments like yours inciting hate and racism practically throws us back into the 60's as far as race relations. Has ANYONE in this commentary said ANYTHING in regards to race about Obama, or Iran? Yes, you have! Just to clarify, the public voted 65 million for Obama. The remaining 62 million voters voted otherwise. How is a 4.6% margin overwhelming? His electorate was significant I will agree to that. The ignorance of the other sides beliefs' is ridiculous.
Why should it matter what our President looks like? Why should it matter what Iranians look like? I have a good Iranian friend whom is working on his PhD in thermodynamics at Kansas State. His plans to teach at the University of Tabriz is fantastic. I greatly encourage him in all his endeavors. Now, I vote Republican most of the time generally because their interests and my interests align. I do not agree with anti-gay, race, women's rights(body or mind), and religious discrimination. Many are like me. Comments like yours inciting hate and racism practically throws us back into the 60's as far as race relations. Has ANYONE in this commentary said ANYTHING in regards to race about Obama, or Iran? Yes, you have! Just to clarify, the public voted 65 million for Obama. The remaining 62 million voters voted otherwise. How is a 4.6% margin overwhelming? His electorate was significant I will agree to that. The ignorance of the other sides beliefs' is ridiculous.
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By 2016 and the election cycle is in full swing, no one in the American public will remember what is taking place right now between tthe Republicans in the Senate, The White House and Iran. The Republicans know that most Americans will have forgotten this "mess" by this time next year. This is why they are in part doing it now.
In my mind what the Repubicans are doing is trying to make sure that President Obama has no legacy when he leaves office. They want a blank space in the history books when his name is mentioned as President.
In my mind what the Repubicans are doing is trying to make sure that President Obama has no legacy when he leaves office. They want a blank space in the history books when his name is mentioned as President.
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This act of treason is not going to be forgotten, Doug. No way.
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The Republicans behave as if they never intend to hold the presidency again again.
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If the GOTP will struggle to ever regain the White House, their only hope is to diminish the Executive Branch. Their goal is to make a mockery if the Office. Unfortunately, IF they were to win the White House their actions these past 6 years have set dangerous precedents.
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All of these senators should be thrown out of office and then tried for treason.
They are an embarassment to this country.
They are an embarassment to this country.
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Mary: are you saying that those who oppose Obama are guilty of treason? Is that the liberals' position?
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"thrown out of office"
By what means?
By what means?
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They have been dreaming of destroying the republic since 1861 and their goal seems to be within their grasp.
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If your 1861 date is a reference to the Confederacy, you are very mistaken about who "they" are. Senators who signed the letter were from many states that were not part of the Confederacy. For example, Alaska, Idaho, and Iowa:
http://www.cotton.senate.gov/content/cotton-and-46-fellow-senators-send-...
http://www.cotton.senate.gov/content/cotton-and-46-fellow-senators-send-...
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I'm waiting for former President George W. Bush, former Secretaries of State Colin Powell and Condoleezza Rice, and other high-ranking Republicans to condemn the attempt by 47 Republican senators to undermine our American government's official negotiations with Iran. Behavior similar to theirs has never before been attempted by elected officials. I hope that the media never forgets this traitor-like behavior of these 47 Republicans, and I hope the offending senators will be booted from office in their next election. They do not deserve to be senators.
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I listened to Cotton defend himself on the news today, is this the best that Arkansas can send to the US senate.
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Sen. Cotton defeated Democratic incumbent Sen. Mark Pryor in the 2014 Arkansas senate election. You can decide for yourself:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Pryor
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Pryor
Arkansas has always been a Blue State since Clinton. Wonder why they flipped?
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I am an American. I served in the US Navy for six years. I got in almost every election. These Senators have committed an act of treason. They are traitors to our country. They should be arrested for high crimes against our country.
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Both your Texas senators signed the letter. If you would like to complain to them, here is how to contact them:
https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?Stat...
https://www.senate.gov/general/contact_information/senators_cfm.cfm?Stat...
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We have truly descended into an abyss in which 47 United States Senators are openly guilty of sedition. These people are beyond contempt - beyond reprehensible - beyond shameful and ignorant bigots. Their conduct is unbecoming to their obligation as members of the Senate, and it threatens the very fabric of this nation. Every single one should be removed from office immediately, booted off their platinum, taxpayer funded benefits and pension, and sent straight to the federal prison system. Gitmo is pleasant at this time of year..........and since they refuse to shut it down, we might as well populate it with these nihilists whose inability to grasp the limits of their "authority" when it comes to conducting foreign policy and diplomacy is simply stunning. Clearly there is no nadir to which Republicans will not stoop in order to obstruct this President of the United States. As to "shoring up their support among American Jews": they are profoundly mistaken.
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They certainly haven't "shored up" any support with this American Jew.
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This letter was nothing if not treason. Since when do we legislate, communicate or negotiate via open letters? Seriously, GOP, you're doing it wrong. On top of that the Iranian Foreign Minister ate your lunch. Republicans everywhere ought to be embarrassed and ashamed at their representative members of the party. If they are not, they don't understand the severity of the reality of this cheap ploy. Bad day for America, you ignorant, pompous, 47 senators who signed this letter.
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Of course. And Lincoln's to blame for making the South fire on Sumter.
These Senators haven't just abrogated their responsibilities. They have wrecked their credibility, humiliated their party, provoked the mindless rage of their voters, and further characterized this generation of Republicans as vindictive failures.
These Senators haven't just abrogated their responsibilities. They have wrecked their credibility, humiliated their party, provoked the mindless rage of their voters, and further characterized this generation of Republicans as vindictive failures.
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The first chance for anyone to speak to this at the polls is next week when the Israeli voters have a chance to speak to whether they understand that their prime minister caused this and that in doing so he has created a division in this country that has turned half of American voters against their country. If I have to choose between my president and Israel there is no contest. I am for the president.
So lets see if the Israelis understand this and somehow out of their chaotic, dysfunctional political system they can produce a result that clearly says no to Netanyahu, not to disrespecting the United States of America and makes a meaningful gesture toward international sense and sanity.
So lets see if the Israelis understand this and somehow out of their chaotic, dysfunctional political system they can produce a result that clearly says no to Netanyahu, not to disrespecting the United States of America and makes a meaningful gesture toward international sense and sanity.
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Bibi didn't cause this by himself. Those who invited him (Boehner) bear much more guilt.
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Not to mention that the 47 Senators broke federal law, the Logan Act of 1799:
"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
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This is Treason. These republican traitors should be put on trial.
I remember when just disagreeing with Bush brought on cries of TREASON!!! Remember how even the Dixie Chicks were treated? How pathetic and sad was that?
What would have happened if some democrats had directly contacted Saddam and told him, we disagree with our President Bush? The uproar would have driven them from office. Fox News would be preparing to tar and feather them.
These republican traitors to our country must be punished.
I remember when just disagreeing with Bush brought on cries of TREASON!!! Remember how even the Dixie Chicks were treated? How pathetic and sad was that?
What would have happened if some democrats had directly contacted Saddam and told him, we disagree with our President Bush? The uproar would have driven them from office. Fox News would be preparing to tar and feather them.
These republican traitors to our country must be punished.
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I am non-partisan, not bipartisan, and not in lock-step with either party. However, I am becoming increasingly alarmed by the Republicans' rogue behavior which I see as an incipient threat to our Constitution and democracy.
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And after the 47 are tried and convicted under the Logan Act they must be stripped of their salaries from the date of the letter, stripped of their gold plated insurance coverage, stripped of their pensions and prohibited from ever holding any US government office again. American citizens do not support criminals with their tax dollars.
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GMR: That sounds like an awesome punishment for daring to oppose this president.
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Dear oh dear...who on earth do the Republicans think they are?
A quite astonishing action...which should be suitably derided and denounced by any sane person.
Whatever next?
A quite astonishing action...which should be suitably derided and denounced by any sane person.
Whatever next?
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Mr. Obama was supposed to bring change we can believe in. He has not. He's ignored republicans, passed legislation without any input from the opposing side, played the blame game for 6 years at least, made executive decisions without even trying to garner support, and now is surprised that the republicans are acting like this? Did he not just tell us that the Senate would not have to ratify the agreement? What comes around, goes around, he's getting exactly what he deserves.
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There are remedies for your problem--they're called facts. But you're Republican, so they mean nothing.
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No, this is a completely false narrative of the past six years. There has been an unprecedented level of obstruction by the Republicans in Congress to this president. The recent Republican congresses have also had a historically low accomplishment rate for legislation. Now this letter is equally unprecedented and violates the Logan Act. It is an act of treason to try to sabotage negotiations with a foreign power, which is a constitutional responsibility of the president of the United States with the State Department.
There has been an irrational and obsessive hatred of President Obama who was twice elected by the majority of Americans and was the first president since the 1950s to receive more than 51% of the popular vote twice. Republican racism has led to a type of dementia. Republican ignorance has led to treason by the senators who signed this ridiculous letter about negotiations among the 5 permanent members of the U.N. plus Germany. The whole world is not about the GOP obsessive hatred of the president.
There has been an irrational and obsessive hatred of President Obama who was twice elected by the majority of Americans and was the first president since the 1950s to receive more than 51% of the popular vote twice. Republican racism has led to a type of dementia. Republican ignorance has led to treason by the senators who signed this ridiculous letter about negotiations among the 5 permanent members of the U.N. plus Germany. The whole world is not about the GOP obsessive hatred of the president.
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The republicans are at war with President Obama, and if the United States gets hurt as a result, hey, that's just collateral damage.
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Democracy at its best? or is this the beginning of the end?
Like many of you who commented on this article, I too, love the United States. Unfortunately, just like many of you, I failed to understand the purpose of this letter.
I tried hard to put myself in the shoes of republican senators who signed this letter, who might be thinking that this is Democracy at its best by undermining their own president. The answer become obvious: the current democratically elected president of United States is not their president.
And then, I started to ask myself the following questions:
What would Iranian leaders think when receiving this letter?
What would European leaders think when reading this article?
What would Chinese leaders think when they know about this?
Who control the republican senate? Israel?
What kind of medication are these people taking or lack of?
The more I ask myself to justify this letter, the more I think that this is the beginning of the end.
I hope I am wrong
Like many of you who commented on this article, I too, love the United States. Unfortunately, just like many of you, I failed to understand the purpose of this letter.
I tried hard to put myself in the shoes of republican senators who signed this letter, who might be thinking that this is Democracy at its best by undermining their own president. The answer become obvious: the current democratically elected president of United States is not their president.
And then, I started to ask myself the following questions:
What would Iranian leaders think when receiving this letter?
What would European leaders think when reading this article?
What would Chinese leaders think when they know about this?
Who control the republican senate? Israel?
What kind of medication are these people taking or lack of?
The more I ask myself to justify this letter, the more I think that this is the beginning of the end.
I hope I am wrong
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To answer your questions as best I can...
-Iranian leaders are confused by our Constitutional process and probably think this some form of trickery and/or propaganda.
-EU doesn't have an embassy in Iran and probably won't any time soon. I imagine the EU sees us as a nation divided and is greatly concerned trade will suffer the most with the US fighting amongst themselves.
-China and Russia are more than likely excited about our country imploding on itself. A great time to push communism again say they.
-The Republican Senate will control themselves and work with the House to route any attempt of putting a bill together that would officially treaty nuclear power proliferation in Iran.
-Israel is financed by America greatly as they are the eyes and ears of the Middle-East. Israel will defend themselves to the end if the Arab nations decide to attack. The smallest country in the ME vs. the ME. Lots of trouble to look forward to.
-Iranian leaders are confused by our Constitutional process and probably think this some form of trickery and/or propaganda.
-EU doesn't have an embassy in Iran and probably won't any time soon. I imagine the EU sees us as a nation divided and is greatly concerned trade will suffer the most with the US fighting amongst themselves.
-China and Russia are more than likely excited about our country imploding on itself. A great time to push communism again say they.
-The Republican Senate will control themselves and work with the House to route any attempt of putting a bill together that would officially treaty nuclear power proliferation in Iran.
-Israel is financed by America greatly as they are the eyes and ears of the Middle-East. Israel will defend themselves to the end if the Arab nations decide to attack. The smallest country in the ME vs. the ME. Lots of trouble to look forward to.
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I thought the same thing, any enemy would look at this and decide that now would be a good time to attack since the republicans would rather see the country fall into enemy hands than work with a black president. They might even open the gates and let the invaders in just for spite.
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Obama is extremely divisive, and purposely only represents those who agree with him, and publically demeans those that do not.
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How long before the Times lays out the historic context regarding the president's negotiating these sorts of arrangements? One would think this is relevant.
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Why do you need the NYT to teach you basic history?
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Much of this discussion confuses the difference between treaties and agreements. At the international level they are defined under the Geneva Convention on the Law of Treaties signed onto in 1969 by most countries for the sake of having common framework of rules that are legally enforceable.
States transact large amounts of work utilizing the mechanism of a treaty. The Nuclear Proliferation Treaty signed by most nations. Or the Sino British treaty to turn over Hong Kong. Both are binding under international law.
The parties to an agreement do not intend to create legal relations or binding obligations or rights under international law, the agreement will not be a treaty.
The agreement with Iran is therefore not legally binding by international law. Not following the agreement will have whatever negative effects, penalties, the signatories so choose. But they are not covered by international law. There are hundreds of agreements between nations every year. They enable relations to proceed on a business like and professional level. Very few ever reach a legislature which is not charged with micro managing relations although most legislations will advise on agreements once complete and their judgement may well affect their impolementation.
The letter to the Iranians made it perfectly clear that congress understands the difference between agreements and treaties. 47 of them simply decided to throw a bomb into the negotiations to stop any potential agreement.
States transact large amounts of work utilizing the mechanism of a treaty. The Nuclear Proliferation Treaty signed by most nations. Or the Sino British treaty to turn over Hong Kong. Both are binding under international law.
The parties to an agreement do not intend to create legal relations or binding obligations or rights under international law, the agreement will not be a treaty.
The agreement with Iran is therefore not legally binding by international law. Not following the agreement will have whatever negative effects, penalties, the signatories so choose. But they are not covered by international law. There are hundreds of agreements between nations every year. They enable relations to proceed on a business like and professional level. Very few ever reach a legislature which is not charged with micro managing relations although most legislations will advise on agreements once complete and their judgement may well affect their impolementation.
The letter to the Iranians made it perfectly clear that congress understands the difference between agreements and treaties. 47 of them simply decided to throw a bomb into the negotiations to stop any potential agreement.
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Cotton received $1M from the Emergency Committee for Israel, $165K from Elliott Management (hedge fund of Paul Singer who is funding opposition to the Iran talks).
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What exactly did these 47 Republican senators hope to accomplish ? They in effect told the Iranians: " Don't bother negotiating with Obama; he has no authority to negotiate anything for the US. Negotiate with us instead." This is insane as well as unconstitutional, and a surefire recipe for failure. I guess this is what the Republicans really want; they want the negotiations to fail.
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High time for the people of this Republic by acclamation dissolve this Congress in which over 90% of the people have no confidence. m
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Nice to know that, by Obama executive order, Medicare, Medicaid and Military Medicine cover a transgender change should I so choose. As I approach "Viagra" age that's good to have that going for me.
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The 47 Republican Senators who signed Open Letter to Iran are beneath contempt. Freshman Sen. Cotton (R. Ak), who drafted the letter only won his seat in November with contributions from the likes of the Emergency Committee for Israel, which gave him $960,000. In whose interest is he acting? Amazingly, even Mort Zuckerman's NY Daily News branded the act "Treason."
I was particularly dispirited by my own Ohio Sen. Portman who stooped to sign the letter and let him know so in a letter last night parts of which follow:
"I have just read your unprecedentedly disgraceful "Open Letter." It is a sheer travesty and testimony to why this once great country is now seen in much of the world as having totally lost its bearings. I would like to make two points:
1) The negotiations are being conducted between Iran and the countries that make up the P5+1. Any agreement would not be a bilateral treaty between Washington and Tehran, but would go the Security Council of the UN for approval. Should the US refuse to abide by a Security Council decision, it would be this country that would be isolated, not Iran.
2) Should a good agreement with Iran be reached and then scuttled because of the shameless behavior of you and your Republican colleagues, I hope, nay, would demand that your three children, William, Jed and Sally, immediately volunteer for military service and then lead the charge into Iran. Words are cheep. Children are not. Let's see if you put your family where your mouth is."
I was particularly dispirited by my own Ohio Sen. Portman who stooped to sign the letter and let him know so in a letter last night parts of which follow:
"I have just read your unprecedentedly disgraceful "Open Letter." It is a sheer travesty and testimony to why this once great country is now seen in much of the world as having totally lost its bearings. I would like to make two points:
1) The negotiations are being conducted between Iran and the countries that make up the P5+1. Any agreement would not be a bilateral treaty between Washington and Tehran, but would go the Security Council of the UN for approval. Should the US refuse to abide by a Security Council decision, it would be this country that would be isolated, not Iran.
2) Should a good agreement with Iran be reached and then scuttled because of the shameless behavior of you and your Republican colleagues, I hope, nay, would demand that your three children, William, Jed and Sally, immediately volunteer for military service and then lead the charge into Iran. Words are cheep. Children are not. Let's see if you put your family where your mouth is."
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Are these 47 Pub senators guilty under the Logan Act which forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments?
After their two unprecedented partisan moves of bringing Netanyahu who rebuked and disrespected this president and then sending a letter to the hard liners in Iran, why would any Dem add injury to insult by now agreeing with the Pubs?
Their own actions have made it impossible for the Dems to agree with the Pubs even if they wanted to (and some would have if it had stayed bi-partisan).
Lastly why would 46 Pubs (especially Mitch McConnell) follow the lead of a freshmen senator on the job for just two months? Did any of the 46 senators read the letter before signing it?
After their two unprecedented partisan moves of bringing Netanyahu who rebuked and disrespected this president and then sending a letter to the hard liners in Iran, why would any Dem add injury to insult by now agreeing with the Pubs?
Their own actions have made it impossible for the Dems to agree with the Pubs even if they wanted to (and some would have if it had stayed bi-partisan).
Lastly why would 46 Pubs (especially Mitch McConnell) follow the lead of a freshmen senator on the job for just two months? Did any of the 46 senators read the letter before signing it?
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Should the 47 Republican Senators be tried for treason?
U.S. Senator & U.S. Representative
House of Representatives (Oath or Affirmation)
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. This oath is mandated by Article VI of the Constitution and its text is set by statute (5 U.S.C., Sec. 3331).
US Senate (Oath or Affirmation)
(Same Rule III Oaths The oaths or affirmations required by the Constitution and prescribed by law shall be taken and subscribed by each Senator, in open Senate, before entering upon his duties.)
Oath Required By The Constitution And By Law To Be Taken By Senators "I, A__ B__, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God." (5 U.S.C. 3331.)
U.S. Senator & U.S. Representative
House of Representatives (Oath or Affirmation)
I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God. This oath is mandated by Article VI of the Constitution and its text is set by statute (5 U.S.C., Sec. 3331).
US Senate (Oath or Affirmation)
(Same Rule III Oaths The oaths or affirmations required by the Constitution and prescribed by law shall be taken and subscribed by each Senator, in open Senate, before entering upon his duties.)
Oath Required By The Constitution And By Law To Be Taken By Senators "I, A__ B__, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God." (5 U.S.C. 3331.)
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It must have been a different Senator Joe Biden that said this.
"Among the Framers," Biden argued, "it was Alexander Hamilton who, though renowned as the leading advocate of a strong presidency, stressed that it would have been 'utterly unsafe and improper' to entrust the power of making treaties to the president alone." (Emphasis added.)
"Among the Framers," Biden argued, "it was Alexander Hamilton who, though renowned as the leading advocate of a strong presidency, stressed that it would have been 'utterly unsafe and improper' to entrust the power of making treaties to the president alone." (Emphasis added.)
Duh! Obama is working--with five allies--on an AGREEMENT.
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Setting aside the blatant arrogance that leads them to assume that one of their ilk will be in office to apply the "stroke of the pen" come January 2017, this is nothing less than another attempt by the GOP majority to stage a "velvet" Coup d'Etat. Not enough for them to hold the government hostage with their idiotic sequestrations, now they are, in essence, telling other nations that the Executive Branch (the President, the Dept. of State) no longer has the lead in matters of diplomacy. 47 Senators are now in charge of that.
Before they get their deep-pocket buddies at the NRA to take up arms and throw together a well-regulated militia to storm the White House, anyone care to start drafting 47 Articles of Impeachment?
Before they get their deep-pocket buddies at the NRA to take up arms and throw together a well-regulated militia to storm the White House, anyone care to start drafting 47 Articles of Impeachment?
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I am wondering why no media have picked up on this ? With both the US and Iran heavily involved with troops and advisors and who knows what else in Iraq. Doesn't the letter sent by Republican politicians to Iran which could scuttle peace talks and lead to war seriously put US military and other US assets in Iraq in danger ? Suppose the Iranians took the letter as a declaration of war and started attacking the US Military in Iraq.
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"I am wondering why no media have picked up on this ?"
No media?
No media?
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I wish I did not feel this resistance to the President's policies was not race based. And it makes me sad that we seem take one step forward and three steps back. At 75, I'll not live to see my country truly be the land of "all men are created equal".
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These 47 Republicans, like all Republicans everywhere, need to be praised. They invited Netanyahu to educate Obama and Democrats as well as putting this so-called "agreement" (really nothing more than appeasement) into its proper light.
Why do liberals not understand?
Why do liberals not understand?
Wondering: Is this an act of treason? Is there a constitutional lawyer out there who can comment?
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"The fact that conflict extension among activists has resulted not only from activist replacement, but also from attitudinal conversion among
continuing activists may serve to make it a more stable and permanent condition of the political landscape. Conflict extension among activists should encourage Democratic and Republican candidates and officeholders
to take more consistently-liberal and consistently-conservative policy positions. It also should provide clearer cues to the mass electorate that the parties are polarized along multiple issue dimensions, and this should lead to further conflict extension between the Democratic and Republican mass coalitions." Party Polarization and “Conflict Extension” in American Politics:
The Case of Party Activists
That's how political scientists say it's going to get worse rather than better.
continuing activists may serve to make it a more stable and permanent condition of the political landscape. Conflict extension among activists should encourage Democratic and Republican candidates and officeholders
to take more consistently-liberal and consistently-conservative policy positions. It also should provide clearer cues to the mass electorate that the parties are polarized along multiple issue dimensions, and this should lead to further conflict extension between the Democratic and Republican mass coalitions." Party Polarization and “Conflict Extension” in American Politics:
The Case of Party Activists
That's how political scientists say it's going to get worse rather than better.
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The Republican Party wants a war with Iran.
The Republican Party needs a war with Iran.
If the Republican Party cannot have a war with Iran, they have no legitimacy with American voter.
So, the Republican Party will do whatever they can, whatever it takes, to get that war with Iran.
Including trotting out the Israeli Prime Minister. Who needs a war with Iran as badly as the Republicans need a war with Iran.
The Republican Party needs and wants the hardest of hardliners in Iran to be in charge, to be in power. For that, in the Republican "mind," is the only way the Republican Party can resume power.
The Israeli Prime Minister also needs the hardest of hardliners in Iran to be in power, for the same reasons the Republican Party in the U.S. needs those hardliners in power in Iran.
A negotiated deal with Iran might lead to more moderate leaders gaining power in Iran. Republicans and the Israeli Prime Minister simply cannot allow that. Because that is the existential crisis they're really been talking about. The threat to their own political existence, their own political viability.
The Republican Party. The Prime Minister of Israel. The hardliners in Iran. A Band of Brothers. Out for the destruction of the U.S., at any price.
The Republican Party needs a war with Iran.
If the Republican Party cannot have a war with Iran, they have no legitimacy with American voter.
So, the Republican Party will do whatever they can, whatever it takes, to get that war with Iran.
Including trotting out the Israeli Prime Minister. Who needs a war with Iran as badly as the Republicans need a war with Iran.
The Republican Party needs and wants the hardest of hardliners in Iran to be in charge, to be in power. For that, in the Republican "mind," is the only way the Republican Party can resume power.
The Israeli Prime Minister also needs the hardest of hardliners in Iran to be in power, for the same reasons the Republican Party in the U.S. needs those hardliners in power in Iran.
A negotiated deal with Iran might lead to more moderate leaders gaining power in Iran. Republicans and the Israeli Prime Minister simply cannot allow that. Because that is the existential crisis they're really been talking about. The threat to their own political existence, their own political viability.
The Republican Party. The Prime Minister of Israel. The hardliners in Iran. A Band of Brothers. Out for the destruction of the U.S., at any price.
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Not that this is going to be a treaty, but even if it were, according to the Senate's own website, they do not ratify treaties. Also note the NEGOTIATED BY THE EXECUTIVE BRANCH.
"The Constitution gives to the Senate the sole power to approve, by a two-thirds vote, treaties negotiated by the executive branch. The Senate does not ratify treaties. Instead, the Senate takes up a resolution of ratification, by which the Senate formally gives its advice and consent, empowering the president to proceed with ratification. The Senate of the First Congress set the precedent for how it would handle treaty consideration. When President George Washington visited the Senate Chamber in August 1789 to seek advice and consent on a pending treaty, he became frustrated when the senators referred the treaty to committee for further discussion. Another 130 years would pass before another president of the United States personally delivered a treaty to the Senate. On July 10, 1919, President Woodrow Wilson asked for a quick consent to the Treaty of Versailles."
https://www.senate.gov/general/Features/Treaties_display.htm
BUTTOM LINE, they have NO business putting their noses where it doesn't belong, nor does a foreigner.
"The Constitution gives to the Senate the sole power to approve, by a two-thirds vote, treaties negotiated by the executive branch. The Senate does not ratify treaties. Instead, the Senate takes up a resolution of ratification, by which the Senate formally gives its advice and consent, empowering the president to proceed with ratification. The Senate of the First Congress set the precedent for how it would handle treaty consideration. When President George Washington visited the Senate Chamber in August 1789 to seek advice and consent on a pending treaty, he became frustrated when the senators referred the treaty to committee for further discussion. Another 130 years would pass before another president of the United States personally delivered a treaty to the Senate. On July 10, 1919, President Woodrow Wilson asked for a quick consent to the Treaty of Versailles."
https://www.senate.gov/general/Features/Treaties_display.htm
BUTTOM LINE, they have NO business putting their noses where it doesn't belong, nor does a foreigner.
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What's the alternative to negotiations?
Limited airstrikes that may or may not push the Iranians back a couple years, creating a more intractable problem for the next President. A full-scale war aimed at regime change, the costs of which the American public would never support unless Iranian tries a 9/11-style attack. A nuclear armed Iran.
What's the alternative to negotiations? Uninformed delusions.
Limited airstrikes that may or may not push the Iranians back a couple years, creating a more intractable problem for the next President. A full-scale war aimed at regime change, the costs of which the American public would never support unless Iranian tries a 9/11-style attack. A nuclear armed Iran.
What's the alternative to negotiations? Uninformed delusions.
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After struggling to make sense of such bizarre action by the republicans I suggest the following explanation. Clearly they do not intend to provide any support or help to Iran. I suppose they are comfortable with insulting the President but, that's not it either. The big prize and I believe the the focus of this action is the 2016 Presidential election. The repubs have begun to attempt to move the national discussion away from the economy (for obvious reasons) and towards foreign affairs; and here Iran is the biggest of prizes. They have often self-proclaimed themselves as the party who knows how to keep America strong and safe (and somehow lots of people have bought this). A no-deal with Iran heightens confrontation (if not outright resulting in war) and in this fog of fear, it is easy to hear the voices now: the Dems have weakened our military and our country and in this critical time of existential threat we need a strong leader who will ensure our defense and security! Jeb is our man! And BTW it seems this ploy has already be done successfully. See the USA article today on Nixon's talks with the South Vietnamese
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I am an independent voter...have been forever, but I'm joining a new party. The ABR party...Anybody But a Republican. The Republican party no longer represents the best interests of America (and haven't for quite some time). They represent the best interests of the Republican party, with little or no consideration for anybody else. The Senators who didn't sign the disgraceful letter should resign their party and become Independent.
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Isn't it ironic that the GOP's letter to Iran emerged after Netanyahu's preach to the congress. What it essentially proofs is how much our law makers are influenced by Israel. No wonder they are our closest ally. It's because they do all our thinking for us.
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Netanyahu and Merkel are the leaders of the free world now. Obama? He's just the President of a now second-rate nation that has ceded it's leadership role to more courageous countries.
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The letter is part of a pattern: it demonstrates once again, that the Republicans who signed the letter know nothing about foreign policy, have incredibly poor judgment, advocate policies that lead to war and damage our country, too dense to be able to learn from the mistakes of the past, and place the interests of Israel as defined by its Prime Minister over the interests of the country they took an oath to serve.
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The actions of the 47 Republican senators, much like Boehner inviting Netanyahuh to speak before Congress, is part of a very obvious effort to pry Jewish voters away from from Democrats. It's flagrant pandering, and it won't work.
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I feel personally betrayed by these 47 senators. I question their motives in doing this. I question their values. I seriously question their patriotism. If they don't know how to be critical thinking leaders of our nation to get things done in an appropriate way, they need to get out of the way. We don't need these "leaders" who have hurt the U.S. standing and ability to negotiate with other countries. Please, someone, get these juvenile whiners off the stage.
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For those who think all Agreements are Treaties, no they are not.
"Treaties in Force uses the term “treaty” in the generic sense as defined in the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that is, an international agreement “governed by international law, whether embodied in a single instrument or in two or more related instruments and whatever its particular designation.” The term “treaty” as a matter of U.S. constitutional law denotes international agreements made by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate in accordance with Article II, section 2 of the Constitution of the United States. In addition to such “treaties”, this publication covers international agreements in force that have been concluded by the Executive (a) pursuant to or in accordance with existing legislation or a prior treaty; (b) subject to congressional approval or implementation, and/or (c) under and in accordance with the President’s constitutional powers."
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/218912.pdf
"Treaties in Force uses the term “treaty” in the generic sense as defined in the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties, that is, an international agreement “governed by international law, whether embodied in a single instrument or in two or more related instruments and whatever its particular designation.” The term “treaty” as a matter of U.S. constitutional law denotes international agreements made by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate in accordance with Article II, section 2 of the Constitution of the United States. In addition to such “treaties”, this publication covers international agreements in force that have been concluded by the Executive (a) pursuant to or in accordance with existing legislation or a prior treaty; (b) subject to congressional approval or implementation, and/or (c) under and in accordance with the President’s constitutional powers."
http://www.state.gov/documents/organization/218912.pdf
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Every day I lose more and more respect for the weak-kneed Democrats. Why would you oppose the leader of your party by siding with the Republican obstructionists on any matter? Especially when you know every action from the Republicans is designed to undermine, humiliate, and weaken the President, mainly because of his race. Nothing the Republicans do surprise me anymore as POSD (Post Obama Stress Disorder) has caused conservatives to become unhinged. I'm beginning to wonder if some of the Democrats, mainly rich white men just like the Republicans, don't share some secret contempt for the President. Hmmmm.
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Apparently when Romney said that 47% contribute nothing to the national weal, he was talking about 47 Republican senators.
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47 seems to be the Magic Number for the GOP. Romney 47% comment. Now the 47 Senators Letter to Iran. Well maybe 47% will be their score for all future presidential elections meaning no more GOP in the White House.
More seriously, if we were to follow GOP logic, Iran should not abide by the NPT Treaty that was ratified by the Shah Government in 1970. The treaty based on which all this Negotiations are based.
More seriously, if we were to follow GOP logic, Iran should not abide by the NPT Treaty that was ratified by the Shah Government in 1970. The treaty based on which all this Negotiations are based.
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I welcome Obama administration's initiative to strike a nuclear deal with Iran. The fears of West and Israel that a nuclear armed Iran is a threat is well founded. But Iran has maintained throughout that its nuclear reactors would not be used for preparing nukes. It has also opened its gates for inspection by international bodies. That being the case, the U.S. has made the right move of entering into an agreement with Iran. If this agreement goes through, the U.S. may keep Iran under its tight check, which will be useful to both sides. Israel may also feel assured that it is safe.
The letter written by senators is a very bad precedent, which has undermined the authority of the President. Senators are elected to counsel and help in better administration of the country and not to act on their own that too interfering in foreign affairs of the country.
The letter written by senators is a very bad precedent, which has undermined the authority of the President. Senators are elected to counsel and help in better administration of the country and not to act on their own that too interfering in foreign affairs of the country.
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" If this agreement goes through, ..."
What exactly does it have to "go through" other than Obama's approval. But as the senators printed out, executive agreements can be undone by the next executive.
What exactly does it have to "go through" other than Obama's approval. But as the senators printed out, executive agreements can be undone by the next executive.
These actions by Republican Senators make me sad. The letter borders on sedition and traitorous in that it could end the talks and thereby aid and abet Iran's effort to build a nuclear weapon. Given the history of Senate Republicans obstructing President Obama's appointments and legislation and demanding a birth certificate, I fear behind this action is racism. Like the police officer in Ferguson, Missouri, there seems to be the belief no African-American can keep a job for 4 years.
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All the GOP understands is crises. They refuse to govern in a responsible and mature manner, and they jerk the nation from one cliff to another with their ridiculous behavior. Their immaturity is staggering, and the consequences would be dire if the president stooped to their level. Every day I thank God for Barack Obama, because the country is blessed to have a bonafide leader in him. Truly a man amongst boys.
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I disagree with the tactics used by Senate Republicans to express their opposition to a deal with Iran over their nuclear program. Yet I disagree on policy grounds--pursuing an international agreement with inspections remains the best of bad alternatives. Nevertheless members of the Democratic party who are accusing the Republicans of sedition, treason and violations of the Logan Act are overreacting. The bad form shown by the Congress, making explicit in an open letter what everyone knows they think, will be counterproductive. It reflects the hyper-partisan atmosphere in Washington and its malevolent permanent election cycle, 24/7 media and endless fundraising. If Democrats believe it is OK to prosecute Republicans in the the opposition, would they have said the same thing when Democratic congressmen traveled to Cuba or Nicaragua in the Cold War? The ongoing truth of foreign policy is that domestic political considerations are invariably reflected in their formulation. It was no different in the divisive climate of 1798, 1812, 1940 or 1968. It remains true today.
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This has never happened before in the history of the country. This is not about dissension; it is about actively attempting to sabotage diplomatic negotiations by writing to a foreign head of state in violation of the Logan Act.
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The 47 Republican senators need to be arrested, fingerprinted, mug shots and bail set. They clearly violated the Logan Act. I personally would be happy to be sworn in as a Marshall to do the required booking.
If you read the history of the law its intent was to prevent this exact situation. Senators have no authority outside a majority vote. There was no vote or sanctioned action. What they did was as private citizens breaking the law of the United States. Locking these clowns up would be a privilege I would not turn down. Their hatred and total disrespect of the president is obvious and sadly It is based on his race not his politics.
If you read the history of the law its intent was to prevent this exact situation. Senators have no authority outside a majority vote. There was no vote or sanctioned action. What they did was as private citizens breaking the law of the United States. Locking these clowns up would be a privilege I would not turn down. Their hatred and total disrespect of the president is obvious and sadly It is based on his race not his politics.
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Why is no one talking about impeaching these Senators? Why is no one investigating these Senators for violation of law?
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While it is despicable, it is probably not technically illegal.
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Never even considered for half a second voting Republican in 2016. Once again, my opinion is vindicated.
They are just not serious and are unfit to govern.
They are just not serious and are unfit to govern.
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The 2010 and the 2014 Midterms showed otherwise.
... and since 2010, the 112th, 113th, and now 114th congress’s, have endured unceasing obstruction led by Boehner in the House and McConnell in the Senate, are the most shameful, lowest rated and least effective in US history.
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Midterms are fought in gerrymandered districts. Check the facts.
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I think many of the posters need to get beyond their faux indignation. Ted Kennedy offered to coach the Soviets on how to deal with president Reagan's conservative approach to US-Soviet relations. Former President Jimmy Carter wrote a secret letter to the UN Security Council asking those countries to oppose GW Bush's invasion of Iraq, and former speaker Nancy Pelosi travelled to Syria to meet with Al-Assad over the objections of the Bush Administration. So spare us all the crocodile tears over how legislators undermine a US president's foreign policy initiatives.
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I was not aware of the first two of your litany of Democratic horror stories. I was aware of the third. However, none of those match a letter signed by 47 of the 53 Republican members of the Senate essentially saying we don't care what Obama negotiates, we, as the majority of the majority party in the Senate, will scuttle it. That's very different from your examples of isolated members of congress or ex-presidents, none of whom had the power to change American foreign policy. Its apples and oranges. It also creates a dangerous precedent for future Presidents, Republican or Democratic. And that makes both this letter and your argument outrageous as well as ridiculous.
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My indignation is not faux; it is quite real. I am furious. What the Republicans did was the height of stupidity. I also happen to think it was treasonous. In addition to disrespecting the president and emphasizing problems to an enemy, it damaged the country in the view of our allies. How dumb can you get? My state unfortunately has 2 republican senators. Didn't like Ernst and didn't vote for her. Voted for Grassley in the past (he didn't used to be nuts or demented or influenced by group think) but will not be voting for him again. There is nothing false about the fury I feel.
My indignation is not faux; it is quite real. I am furious. What the Republicans did was the height of stupidity. I also happen to think it was treasonous. In addition to disrespecting the president and emphasizing problems to an enemy, it damaged the country in the view of our allies. How dumb can you get? My state unfortunately has 2 republican senators. Didn't like Ernst and didn't vote for her. Voted for Grassley in the past (he didn't used to be nuts or demented or influenced by group think) but will not be voting for him again. There is nothing false about the fury I feel.
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faux indignation?
None of your examples goes beyond the pale as this letter at runnng deliberate interference, no question.
None of your examples goes beyond the pale as this letter at runnng deliberate interference, no question.
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The type of division and tactics that we are seeing seems somehow to me as I would have envisioned the start of the Civil War.
One side, the seditionists(R), are doing all in their power to antagonize and bait the POTUS from screaming "Liar!" at him in public to refusing to do anything (like make and approve budgets). The other side, dealing from at least some position of rationality(D), is trying just to keep the whole government functioning while the seditionists throw everything and the kitchen sink into the gears of good governance.
It may be time to decide who will win this struggle for our country. Forcefully.
One side, the seditionists(R), are doing all in their power to antagonize and bait the POTUS from screaming "Liar!" at him in public to refusing to do anything (like make and approve budgets). The other side, dealing from at least some position of rationality(D), is trying just to keep the whole government functioning while the seditionists throw everything and the kitchen sink into the gears of good governance.
It may be time to decide who will win this struggle for our country. Forcefully.
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If the Dems and the GOP go to war, I'm registering as an Independent.
Oh brother. I guess the "position of rationality" is we're smarter than you so we'll do what is best, because, well, we're just smarter than everyone else. Face it, Obama has been an extremely poor leader and not capable of facing up to the demands of our democracy. And it's typical of a weak leadership to blame the opposition, which has been his M.O. since the beginning. In this instance, if you can believe what is reported, we've got both sides of the spectrum in the Middle East in agreement, the Iran deal is bad! Here's a country that has publicly stated that they want to destroy us and Israel, and we're negotiating so that they get the bomb in a year. Whew.
What I would really like to know right now is, how much of this ploy was either arranged by or discussed in advance with Prime Minister Netanyahu. This has the feeling of being a quid-pro-quo on the part of the Senate Republicans, and the public has a right to know exactly how much American sovereignty they have committed themselves to giving up.
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Get ready for war, America, and a big un'!!
Once the GOP starts beating the war drums the American people become inthralled and will support anything. (See Afg and Iraq)
Even the Dems know this. (See LBJ/Nam)
Whatever, that's ancient history for most Americans. Never happened!
Once the GOP starts beating the war drums the American people become inthralled and will support anything. (See Afg and Iraq)
Even the Dems know this. (See LBJ/Nam)
Whatever, that's ancient history for most Americans. Never happened!
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This began when the Tea Party made it impossible for the Republicans to agree to routine budget matters. In the end, they caved and their bark proved worse than their bite. Obama responded with his immigration initiative, which has far less effect than amnesty, in fact no more effect than the Republican budget posturing. The Republicans now meddle in foreign policy in a letter that disrupts the process. But the contents of the letter state a political reality that the Iranians have likely factored in. (When Presidents negotiated arms treaties with the Soviets, the Soviets well knew that the Senate might not ratify.) As I see it, what this is really is whether the two parties care to work together enough to conduct business as usual or whether we're on the threshold of major political change. Major change could be for the better or for the worse. We will survive either way. But if I were a political scientist, I'd start researching alternatives to the two party system.
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One can only imagine Cheney's response if Democratic Senators had behaved this way under President Bush. Senators might well have awakened in Cuba!
Sanctions are not going to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. A tough verifiable treaty might. No treaty might just get the Republicans what they seem to want...yet another futile war in the Middle East. Slow learners!
Sanctions are not going to stop Iran from acquiring nuclear weapons. A tough verifiable treaty might. No treaty might just get the Republicans what they seem to want...yet another futile war in the Middle East. Slow learners!
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How about one of your heroes, no doubt, Nancy Pelosi going to Syria over the objections of the Bush administration to meet with the butcher of Baghdad?
This is worthy of Frank Underwood in "House of Cards". Unfortunately that was fiction and this is fact.
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It's House of Cards, alright. In this case, all the cards are jokers.
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And just for the record, Frank Underwood's initials are.....
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This is beyond the pall even for the "my way or the highway" GOP.
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Pall--right. Probably beyond the pale.
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I have to believe that President Obama is doing all he can to maintain his composure during public appearances with this nonsense going on. I hope that he has reached the point of finding ways for those Senators to be punished, legally if possible, or at least politically, for what they have done to the office of the presidency. File charges under the Logan Act, for example. Show them he's not going to let this one pass.
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We are lucky that President Obama is a calm and patient person. Think what life would be like if 37 year old semi constitutional scholar Tom Cotton were in the White House meeting with his defense contractor friends, or Scott Walker with his great interpersonal skills. A commenter on this thread states that we should give deference to the infamous 47 because they represent the voters who sent them to Washington. It's probably correct that the individuals who voted these folks into office think that we need to head to Armageddon for the rapture, and can't find Iran on a map, but I think most sensible people are not interested in Mr Netanyahu blowing up the Mideast.
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The dignified, mature, intelligent POTUS continues deliberations in meetings abroad among world leaders, toward peaceful negotiations. Meanwhile, the Louisiana Governor sashays into the D.C. slimelight to add his belated signature and claim the idea for the letter by the Party of Stupid:
(Jason Horowitz, NYT Politics Newsletter)
"But was he first?"
“I suspect so,” he said. “Like I said, we’ve been saying it for a while.”
"One place where he said it recently was an apparently too-secretive conference sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute, which, he noted, was attended by Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, who drafted the letter."
“He was in the audience,” Mr. Jindal said, “when this discussion came up.”
(Jason Horowitz, NYT Politics Newsletter)
"But was he first?"
“I suspect so,” he said. “Like I said, we’ve been saying it for a while.”
"One place where he said it recently was an apparently too-secretive conference sponsored by the American Enterprise Institute, which, he noted, was attended by Senator Tom Cotton, Republican of Arkansas, who drafted the letter."
“He was in the audience,” Mr. Jindal said, “when this discussion came up.”
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Will Cotton be running our military from his bunker in Arkansas as well or what can we expect? Will he be helping Mitch run the Senate too? Busy guy.
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The damage to support for Israel in the United States will be very significant. Many Americans are already rethinking their previously unqualified support. The Republicans are mainly interested in Israel as a wedge issue and then some wacky Christians support Israel as part of an "End of Days" hallucination. Depending on Republicans in US when it is not politically expedient will be a big disappointment to right wing Israelis. Maybe, in the end, it will be for the best and Israel will finally have to agree to peace.
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"Israel will finally have to agree to peace."
Agree to peace with whom? Who wants peace with Israel? Can you name the entity that wants to make peace with Israel?
Agree to peace with whom? Who wants peace with Israel? Can you name the entity that wants to make peace with Israel?
47 despicable Republicans. The immaturity of those Senators is clearly on display for their constituents to see, remember and vote them out of office. Such a juvenile prank, along with Boehner's folly is forming a cancer that is eating the core or our Republic. This is not representative government, it is jealousy, and hatred displayed against the office of the President of the United States. These 47 Senators have etched a new low mark in governance. They should be sanctioned by the Senate.
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The other 53? Yes. The other 53, plus Vice President Biden, should do that.
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It is truly time for all concerned Americans to do everything in their power to stop this madness. That the same reprobates have hunkered down to defend themselves is even more galling. Perhaps the media should remember why they went to journalism school. This entire scene reeks of the stink that got us into the Iraq war.
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What's really unfortunate and even quite scary is that there will be a Republican elected as the next President. I read in the NYT that it's been something like 70-80 years since a Democrat has been elected President after a Democrat has served two consecutive terms. And with a Republican President you can virtually guarantee that he will initiate and enact an illegal and immoral terrorist war against Iran just as George W. Bush did against Iraq. As a Canadian I am very worried about post-Obama America. Republicans are scary.
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Please publish a printed version of all 47 traitorous senators and their states. They and Speaker Boehner need to be removed from office immediately for treason against the United States.
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The efforts of Republican Congressional Representatives to split our country in two and to diminish the office of the President, is potentially the greatest challenge not only to our position in the world, but our very union that we have seen. It is not slavery that we will fight over, but who owns our country. Tom Cotton wrote this letter and made his next speech to the Defense Industry. $ Lindsay Graham says our President is naive. $$ Shame on them. And shame on us if we don't speak out loud and clear that we are ONE NATION and that we have ONE PRESIDENT and these sorts of rogue attempts to dismantle our constitutional government will NOT be tolerated.
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Forget about international cooperation. Republicans are not even capable of national cooperation.
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I dare ask the question: "if the President were a white man, would the Repubiclans behave this way"?
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Of course not.
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No
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Some Democrats say that the Republicans are "weakening their resolve to cross party lines and challenge their own president"?
For Heaven's sake! The current Republican party is as radical an institutional as any that we've had in this country since the Civil War. They're a hair's breath away from seceding from the Union.
Any Democrat who even remotely entertains "compromising" with these lunatics doesn't deserve to be in the Democratic party! Insane!
For Heaven's sake! The current Republican party is as radical an institutional as any that we've had in this country since the Civil War. They're a hair's breath away from seceding from the Union.
Any Democrat who even remotely entertains "compromising" with these lunatics doesn't deserve to be in the Democratic party! Insane!
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I'm really uncertain why so many folks here are so shook up. These Senators simply pointed out the law, candidily and correctly.
Israel won't hesitate to use Nuke weapons first if they believe their about to be attacked by Iran, a much larger Country. Any deal would flat out have to GUARANTEE No NUKE WEAPS IN IRAN and BE VERIFIABLE TO ISRAEL.....period.
Would you prefer millions of Iranian citizens be killed because Obama made some lame agreement with Iran that he could crow about?
And lets face it. Goggle John Kerry Vietnam. As was raised during his presidential run, he's of questionable character. It doesn't matter what you believe but what the Iranian leadership/dictators believe. I wouldn't seriously negotiate with him for even a deck construction job....can't trust him further than you can throw him.
Israel won't hesitate to use Nuke weapons first if they believe their about to be attacked by Iran, a much larger Country. Any deal would flat out have to GUARANTEE No NUKE WEAPS IN IRAN and BE VERIFIABLE TO ISRAEL.....period.
Would you prefer millions of Iranian citizens be killed because Obama made some lame agreement with Iran that he could crow about?
And lets face it. Goggle John Kerry Vietnam. As was raised during his presidential run, he's of questionable character. It doesn't matter what you believe but what the Iranian leadership/dictators believe. I wouldn't seriously negotiate with him for even a deck construction job....can't trust him further than you can throw him.
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Fortunately no one will be asking to negotiate. And no one will be flocking to you for legs advice anytime soon either.
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Pelosi went to Syria a few years ago in defiance of Bush! Where was the outrage then?
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Where is it stated in was in defiance of Pres. Bush?
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Anyone who defied Bush deserves a medal.
Exactly what was Bush negotiating (joke) at the time and what was the purpose of Pelosi's trip?
Exactly what was Bush negotiating (joke) at the time and what was the purpose of Pelosi's trip?
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Jesse Jackson went and unofficially negotiated a release of a downed pilot that Reagan had sent to bomb Syria. Reagan commended him on it because it was constructive, heroic even. But that was a good day for America. This letter is the opposite. It's destructive, disloyal, and profoundly unprofessional. It's what we get when we vote a bunch of guys who don't know good politics into office.
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How dare this man, the Foreign Miniter from Iran, be intelligent, articulate, well-mannered, and worst of all -- correct -- when the GOP 47 can't be?
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These Republicans are not inspired by national interests but by their own petty political interests.
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Republicans have wrought a sad day in the story of the once United States of America; a sad day in man's three thousand years of recorded history. In Republican ideology, we are no longer a country united.
The future of the worlds' greatest democracy is no longer defined by patriotism and a united pursuit of righteous national purpose; our future is now an uncertainty; undermined by the politics of Republicans whose claims to be American must be examined carefully.
The future of the worlds' greatest democracy is no longer defined by patriotism and a united pursuit of righteous national purpose; our future is now an uncertainty; undermined by the politics of Republicans whose claims to be American must be examined carefully.
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As a Democrat, I would never, never have sent such a letter. I am in complete agreement with Paul, a Canadian, who has written very thoughtfully in a comment below.
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The signers should face charges for this destructive act. If there are no consequences we can look to a future with a chaotic foreign policy. Imagine different factions independently communicating with world leaders expressing opposing views. Our relationships with other countries, our government's ability to conduct international business, our ability to keep our nation safe - all would be irreparably damaged.
There have to be consequences.
There have to be consequences.
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Sadly. all that will happen is it will make the history books. Unless the voters throw those 47 out, nothing will happen. And the voters have short memories here in America. I keep wondering how McCain keeps getting elected.
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It was quite saddening to learn that John McCain is one of the signers to this disgraceful, and yes, disloyal letter. That he of all people, a senior member of the Senate, and Chairperson of the Armed Services Committee should lend his name to this grandstanding and possibly illegal ploy by a freshman senator who is close to the defense industry.
The only way for me to understand McCain here is to believe that he is still holding animosity for Obama nearly seven years after losing the election, and placing that emotion over loyalty to his country.
Did any of his aides tell him about the Logan Act and what it means? I guess not, or if they did, he did not care.
The only way for me to understand McCain here is to believe that he is still holding animosity for Obama nearly seven years after losing the election, and placing that emotion over loyalty to his country.
Did any of his aides tell him about the Logan Act and what it means? I guess not, or if they did, he did not care.
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Re: It was quite saddening to learn that John McCain is one of the signers
Recall, this is the same man who picked Palin as his running mate.
Recall, this is the same man who picked Palin as his running mate.
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Why doesn't the media investigate AIPAC's hand in all this? It is falling down on the job. Cotton has received hundred of thousands of dollars from right-wing Jewish groups, and nothing concerning Israel moves through congress without AIPAC's influence. If the Koch brothers had been behind a similar initiative the media would have been all over it, talking about the undo influence of special interests. There is a double standard at work here because the media is afraid of being called anti-semetic. The Jewish right has trained them well. For shame.
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So, this is what passes for government these days??? They should all be impeached.
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I think that those 47 Republican Senators ought to be called before the House Un-American Activities Committee. Is their allegiance to The USA, or Israel, or Iran? I can not, for the life of me, figure out how sinking the Presidents negotiations forwards an American agenda. All they have done is try to bring us closer to another war in the Mideast. Are these people thinking of anything other than their own political positioning?
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Treason, pure ,plain, and simple!
Trials should begin immediatly and said 47 should not be allowed to function in congress. Actions shoul be swift and immediate! Every foolish action has consequences.!
Trials should begin immediatly and said 47 should not be allowed to function in congress. Actions shoul be swift and immediate! Every foolish action has consequences.!
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This act by the GOP Senators borders on sedition. They have undermined the negotiations of the US and our allies with only two possible outcomes - enhanced opportunities for the breakdown of the negotiations and leaking of sanctions, or enhanced probability of Iranian nuclear weapons. There is no benefit to this and the GOP has committed a grave act against the interests of the American people and our allies.
There is a petition on the White House website. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/file-charges-against-47-us-se...
There is a petition on the White House website. https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/file-charges-against-47-us-se...
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Heart bleeds at the sight of the decay in the Republican Party and also at the audacity of the Israeli Prime Minister. That country moans silently at the low ebb that her current leaders has reduced her to be! Reason and rationality have left the Republican Party long ago, but I am sure, that this great country of ours will hold each and everyone of these charlatans/Republicans for the damage that may ensue.
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When the Bush administration came into office in 2001 there was a Clinton era agreement in place with North Korea regarding their nuclear program, there were International Inspectors in No. Korea keeping tabs on any possible nuclear weapons program. When the Republicans came into power they wanted nothing to do with Clinton era ageements and backed out of some promises made. In return, North Korea kicked out the inspectors, I believe in 2002, and backed away from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Agreement. Then in 2006, North Korea exploded its nuclear weapon while the GW Bush Administration was in power. Now the GOP is trying to undermine any deal with Iran.
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Very rich. It is Bush's fault that Clinton made a ridiculous agreement with N. Korea, almost as bad as Obama is about to make with Iran. Right
North Korea was cheating on the treaty almost from day 1.
BTW, what you pointed out is just what the letter writers pointed out: a presidential agreement can be undone by the next president. You proved their point.
BTW, what you pointed out is just what the letter writers pointed out: a presidential agreement can be undone by the next president. You proved their point.
Yet another piece in which I can find no mention that these are not bilateral US/Iran negotiations.
Yet another piece in which I find no mention that these are multilateral negotiations between the USA/UK/France/Russia/China (permanent UN Security Council Members) + Germany (P5+1) and Iran.
I cannot fathom why US media rarely mentions either.
Yet another piece in which I find no mention that these are multilateral negotiations between the USA/UK/France/Russia/China (permanent UN Security Council Members) + Germany (P5+1) and Iran.
I cannot fathom why US media rarely mentions either.
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Follow the money . . . all leads to the same, sick place.
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Talking to this GOP group is like getting a recorded message:
-Your reply is recorded for quality control purposes.
-Your reply is appreciated......here's our packaged answer....filll in the blanks
Not said but implied:
-we aren't interested in any short term initiatives which enhance your legacy or further the country's strategy or programmes.
-we are entirely focussed on running the next administration, no matter what it takes.
-Your reply is recorded for quality control purposes.
-Your reply is appreciated......here's our packaged answer....filll in the blanks
Not said but implied:
-we aren't interested in any short term initiatives which enhance your legacy or further the country's strategy or programmes.
-we are entirely focussed on running the next administration, no matter what it takes.
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Racists in the Republican party will go to any length to undercut our President. They are now aligning themselves with the Ayatollahs in Iran, have they forgotten for the Iranian hostage crisis? They should be tried for treason.
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Has everyone forgotten it was the Republican party that made a deal with the Ayatollahs not to release the hostages until Carter was out of office? This is an old gambit they pulled out of their playbook.
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Somebody remembers JFK's words of not being afraid of negotiations. But some men never understood such thoughts.
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These Republicans should be tried for treason
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And, if found guilty. The appropriate remedy.
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While the Israelis are keeping everyone's eyes on the nuclear issue they are moving into biological warfare on a scale beyond your imagination.
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We need to start changing things in this country to fit the Conservative agenda. Let's start with the Pledge of Allegiance. It's pretty simple and only one part needs changes.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the holy land of Israel...Conservatives aren't about the citizens of this country. They are for Israel first and Corporations next. The most anti American group out there.
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the holy land of Israel...Conservatives aren't about the citizens of this country. They are for Israel first and Corporations next. The most anti American group out there.
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The GOP is out of control. They are a collective embarrassment to the citizens of United States. Is it any wonder that so much of the rest of the world looks at the United States with real disdain?
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The republican party politicians are a disgrace to America.
Their entire time in office since President Obama was elected has been dedicated to undermining his credibility as president of our country. All of their effort has been to obstruct legislation in pursuit of their ideological goals of non-science, non-justice, non-economics ... you know their history.
Now, they actively undermine a sitting president in matters of foreign policy. It was bad enough to invite the Israeli politician in chief to lecture us on the realities of middle eastern geo politics. Imagine, elevating Mr Netanyahu with Winston Churchill in terms of addressing our Congress. Think about just how absurd that comparison is and just how banal the republican leadership is to have done that in the manner they did it.
Now, the republican senators have tried to subvert the negotiations with Iran by directly warning the Iranians not to negotiate with our president. These republicans have opened a Pandora's Box of future political recrimination in the unlikely event that America ever elects a person from their party to the highest office again.
It will not be until post 2020 before we have a functioning federal government again. It will take that long for the demographic trends to take hold and for the resulting democratic victories to re-write the gerrymandered districts that have brought us to this state of affairs.
Only at that point the country will once again shift to the center politically.
Their entire time in office since President Obama was elected has been dedicated to undermining his credibility as president of our country. All of their effort has been to obstruct legislation in pursuit of their ideological goals of non-science, non-justice, non-economics ... you know their history.
Now, they actively undermine a sitting president in matters of foreign policy. It was bad enough to invite the Israeli politician in chief to lecture us on the realities of middle eastern geo politics. Imagine, elevating Mr Netanyahu with Winston Churchill in terms of addressing our Congress. Think about just how absurd that comparison is and just how banal the republican leadership is to have done that in the manner they did it.
Now, the republican senators have tried to subvert the negotiations with Iran by directly warning the Iranians not to negotiate with our president. These republicans have opened a Pandora's Box of future political recrimination in the unlikely event that America ever elects a person from their party to the highest office again.
It will not be until post 2020 before we have a functioning federal government again. It will take that long for the demographic trends to take hold and for the resulting democratic victories to re-write the gerrymandered districts that have brought us to this state of affairs.
Only at that point the country will once again shift to the center politically.
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One must wonder weather these 47 Republicans hate the President more than they love their country...
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Or if they are just playing to a demographic that does. This is despicable and shameful.
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In the last six years, they have gone out of their way to denigrate this POTUS. I fear we are living in a time of anarchy (where opposing forces are actively working against a united states) or fascism (where a radical minority is working to hijack the operation of government). In any case, if you think about it, this country suffers greatly from one or the other. But if you want to know the real motive for this trend - and of these 47 senators, btw - I would ask Charles or David Koch.
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I'd say that recent actions by House Republican leaders and these boneheads in the Senate should put to the lie to anyone thinking the problems in Washington DC are bipartisan at the source. Republicans seem to have sold their souls. They need to read Faust.
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Traitors! Aid and comfort to the enemy! Sedition! Undermines the President! How conveniently the bleating throughout these Comments ignores or forgets Speaker of the House Pelosi going to Syria with a Democrat delegation to lobby ASSAD against Bush! And Kerry sending missives to Middle Eastern governments assailing and apologizing for Bush! Democrats directly rallied for the Communist Ortega against Reagan, or have you all forgotten? The palpable hypocrisy here is sad. Republicans are speaking out against nuclear devastation, and all readers here can do is bash Republicans. The issue is nukes, not letters.
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And there was no criticism of Democrats at the time? Interesting selective memory.
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It's interesting that the GOP Senators wrote this letter, which would imply that we should be at actual war with Iran, when their own party members (to wit, the cabal known as the "Project for the New American Century"--"PNAC"--which included Cheney, Rumsfeld, Jeb Bush, and Wolfowitz--plotted a war to occupy Iraq for control of its oil premised on a "Pearl Harbor-like event" (9/11) from 1997 to the manipulated election of 2000--and then made it happen based on lies. It was this core of the GOP "conservatives" who actually gave Iran the balance of power in the region--and have NEVER been called to task for it.
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Another aspect of this latest action by the GOP concerns me. In recent months, it seems that the Republican leadership and it's cohorts have become more and more bold in their attempts to thwart this President. It was just a few years ago, that the Speaker and the Majority Leader said (more than once) that it was their objective to "destroy the Obama presidency". I don't care if they were Democrat or Republican or whatever. That kind of thing should never be said , or even thought.
I consider this latest move to be another step by the Republican Party to destroy the Obama presidency and, possibly, the Democratic Party. I've never believed in conspiracy theories. Now, I begin to wonder.
I consider this latest move to be another step by the Republican Party to destroy the Obama presidency and, possibly, the Democratic Party. I've never believed in conspiracy theories. Now, I begin to wonder.
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I guess Mr Obama has forgotten, or is ignoring, Mr Carter's experiences with Iran? The Iranians would rather US citizens dead, than alive. Given that, they should not be trusted, and cannot be counted on to forego their nuclear ambitions, no matter what those in the Democratic Party believe.
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The Iran hostage crisis was some 35 years ago. The Middle East has changed. Presently for example, Iran is a major opponent to ISIS.
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You and so many other Americans display overwhelming ignorance about the US's interference in the affairs of other countries. Have YOU forgotten that the US and the CIA interfered in Iran's politics for decades until they finally over threw the democratically elected leader of Iran and replaced him with the Shah, a US puppet who tortured and murdered thousands of Iranians? Did you actually expect Iran to remain under a US yoke forever? Many of those hostages were CIA spies. It is the US and its tragically oblivious citizens who threaten the well being of the world, along with Israel. Why do we never talk about Israel's numerous nuclear weapons? I am far more afraid of Israel than Iran.
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Do you mean the Iranians who had their duly elected president removed by the US; the Iranians who were tortured by sadists trained by the CIA; the Iranians who were forced into a war by Iraqis supplied with poison gas from the US; the non-combatant Iranians who saw one of their airliners shot down by US missiles?
Those untrustworthy Iranians?
Those untrustworthy Iranians?
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Is this a Republican rebellion in the making?
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This is more than an outrageous publicity stunt.
The definition of "treason" is "the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government." That is exactly what the traitorous 47 are engaged in. Where did they learn this behavior? Who taught them to act in this way? They have lost their minds and are imperiling millions of lives with their criminal acts.
I am joining those who correctly identify the notorious letter's authors and co-signers as traitors. This fascistic act cannot be forgiven. They should be arrested and charged with the crime of treason.
The definition of "treason" is "the crime of betraying one's country, especially by attempting to kill the sovereign or overthrow the government." That is exactly what the traitorous 47 are engaged in. Where did they learn this behavior? Who taught them to act in this way? They have lost their minds and are imperiling millions of lives with their criminal acts.
I am joining those who correctly identify the notorious letter's authors and co-signers as traitors. This fascistic act cannot be forgiven. They should be arrested and charged with the crime of treason.
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The Senate is legislative. They are a branch of the government voted in by the people. If the executive attacks the legislative, just like the executive strikes a deal with Iran and doesn't consult anyone(you, me, congress, etc.) then there is an imbalance of power(i.e. checks and balances). I would say the Senate balanced the power quite well. If the Senate has committed treason, so has the Executive Administration. Judges will rule the US alone.
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The US Constitution: Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court"
Where exactly did you find your definition of treason? On the back of a matchbook?
Where exactly did you find your definition of treason? On the back of a matchbook?
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Whether or not this is a violation of the Logan Act the actions of Tom Cotton and his cohorts are nothing less than acts of treason. The damage that has been inflicted on this country by this action is incalculable and will have repercussions well beyond the end of the Obama presidency. I fear, however, that with so many members of the extreme right now holding seats in the Senate as well as the Congress this is not the last that we will see of this demagoguery. It is regrettably no coincidence, in my mind, that this action was taken so close on the heals of the Netanyahu speech and, in all likelihood, part of a broader strategy being employed by the GOP to force Obama's hand. It would be interesting to observe how many of the Senators who signed on to this letter receive financing, either directly or indirectly, from Sheldon Adelson.
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ls it possible these senators seek campaign contributions from an interesting mix of Israelis and Saudis who are probably the most worried about any treaty outcomes? That's a terrible comment about the sad state of affairs within the Congress if it's true.
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you have forgotten about the military industrial complex....I think I read that weasel Cotton met with a defense company immediately after authorizing this disaster
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We have one President and he was elected twice.
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Yet another example of how we are governed not by the people we elect, but by the people who fund their campaigns. Conspiracy theories used to revolve around Men In Black — now we have the reality of Men Who Write Checks,
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What the Republican Party is doing to undermine President Obama is not only despicable but damaging to effords to bring a more secure world. My image of the Republican Party in our days is that of a group of fanatic racist and quasy fascist group.
The Republican members of Congress are a collection of racist old white men and their inner racist views can not allow themselves to give Mr. Obama the courtesy that he deserves.
The Republican members of Congress are a collection of racist old white men and their inner racist views can not allow themselves to give Mr. Obama the courtesy that he deserves.
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"Republican Moves Imperil Democratic Cooperation on Iran"
It much, much worse than that.
What they do is ensure that the United States is never, ever trusted to honor its future treaties beyond the term of the sitting President.
And we talk about rogue nations? This is a rogue Congress, for sure.
It much, much worse than that.
What they do is ensure that the United States is never, ever trusted to honor its future treaties beyond the term of the sitting President.
And we talk about rogue nations? This is a rogue Congress, for sure.
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I have serious concerns about the process engaged in by the administration concerning the Iranian talks, but this move by Republican Senators is foolish and embarrassing. They have accomplished nothing of substance, have undermined any likelihood of bipartisan opposition to a faulty agreement, and have undoubtedly made this country the butt of jokes in Iranian coffee houses, and probably among our allies. What a terrible example to send.
Such utterly foolish partisan actions, by either side, can only embolden our enemies.
Such utterly foolish partisan actions, by either side, can only embolden our enemies.
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Such reckless, shortsighted, attention-grabbing behavior is all to common on the Republican side lately. America has a clear choice to make in the 2016 elections -- whether to counteract the adolescent mindset that seems to have taken over our politics (and our culture in general), or let it run rampant while we learn the lessons of maturity the hard way.
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I know its a long shot and fraught with landmines, but someone in the Executive Branch should invoke the Logan Act against the 47 signatories of the letter sent to Iran. This is such a clear case of unauthorized person communicating with a head of a foreign nation, particularly when the President is has been and is currently taking the lead in these negotiations.
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It will never happen. The Democrats in Congress won't do anything that will jeopardize their chance for reelection so the Executive Branch will do nothing and this egregious act will just be dropped.
The letter was not "ent to Iran".
Whether or not sanctions are lifted on Iran, they should be imposed on Senate Republicans.
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A Senator who commits treason is subject to impeachment, however that recourse is unlikely.
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There must be some legal action that can be taken against Senator Cotton!
Can he be impeached? Of course that would be Congress that would have to take that one up....so is there another option? I hope enough voters are riled up by this despicable act that they ALL turn out to vote the GOP out of office next time around!
Can he be impeached? Of course that would be Congress that would have to take that one up....so is there another option? I hope enough voters are riled up by this despicable act that they ALL turn out to vote the GOP out of office next time around!
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"I hope enough voters are riled up by this despicable act that they ALL turn out to vote the GOP out of office next time around!"
Respectfully, Pat this starts with action in your own state as well as in mine. We all, as Americans, are responsible for creating this monster.
When we neglect to vote, the consequences are what we now have: a government for special interest.
If enough people stand for principle and deny big money and special interest groups their vote, the people will win.
Respectfully, Pat this starts with action in your own state as well as in mine. We all, as Americans, are responsible for creating this monster.
When we neglect to vote, the consequences are what we now have: a government for special interest.
If enough people stand for principle and deny big money and special interest groups their vote, the people will win.
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This bit of Theater, which is all it is, will be entirely successful in keeping the typical American from realizing that both Congress, and the President, actually report to "K" street, and not to the American People. Think of it as just a pillow fight between siblings; that's what it really is.
The only purpose of the Executive and Legislative branches of our "government" is to raise the curtain for the "show" that the Big Banks, Oil Companies, Mining Companies, and so on, put on to distract, "We The People".
Think, think, think - what was the last time you turned on the "box" and saw an actual, substantive debate in Congress? It doesn't happen any more, because that is not where the decisions are being made.
"We the People" have, thanks to this kind of theater, become "We the Blind Folks".
The only purpose of the Executive and Legislative branches of our "government" is to raise the curtain for the "show" that the Big Banks, Oil Companies, Mining Companies, and so on, put on to distract, "We The People".
Think, think, think - what was the last time you turned on the "box" and saw an actual, substantive debate in Congress? It doesn't happen any more, because that is not where the decisions are being made.
"We the People" have, thanks to this kind of theater, become "We the Blind Folks".
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They're back . . . and it's your fault. Why didn't YOU vote?
All right, half of you voted. But the other half of you didn't. I blame the half of you that didn't vote. After years of obstruction, hostility, racism, mendacity, it was clear what they would do. Now they're doing what we knew they would do.
Non-voters, this is your bad. This is your government. You are responsible for the representatives you send to run it. You brought this shame upon America.
All right, half of you voted. But the other half of you didn't. I blame the half of you that didn't vote. After years of obstruction, hostility, racism, mendacity, it was clear what they would do. Now they're doing what we knew they would do.
Non-voters, this is your bad. This is your government. You are responsible for the representatives you send to run it. You brought this shame upon America.
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Are the people who are not voting reading the NYT?
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The people who voted in the mid-term elections are probably not reading the NYT, judging by the comments.
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Thirty six percent voted in last elections.
"Democrats say..." ?
This story should NOT be allowed to turn into another "they said/no, they said" issue! The facts and history are clear, no matter how the right-wing tries to spring it after the fact!
Charges should be filed for unlawful interference.
Too bad there are no charges to file for plain stupidity or willful contempt for the good of the nation!
This story should NOT be allowed to turn into another "they said/no, they said" issue! The facts and history are clear, no matter how the right-wing tries to spring it after the fact!
Charges should be filed for unlawful interference.
Too bad there are no charges to file for plain stupidity or willful contempt for the good of the nation!
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There is way more at stake here than just a nuclear deal with Iran. Persian history goes back millennia as Iran is educated and is no rinky dink nation state, and a war with them would cost us trillions, plus break down any trade agreements with Asia (see TPP), and goad Russia and China into this conflict as they most likely would take sides with Iran because its so close strategically to both.
What I see here is a very vocal and well financed minority of warmongers doing everything they can to go to war with Iran at all cost, even if that cost is the United States losing, and having Russia and China involved.
President Obama is working his hardest to shift the geopolitical center of world politics off the Middle East to Asia, and the #47 Senators are not helping one bit. One reason is they are on the take with the most extreme elements among the rightwing establishment and the military industrial complex just salivating at killing people for profit for no reason but the bottom line.
I hope Obama, Biden, the Administration, Democrats, sensible Republicans, and the establishment that actually controls this country come together to get rid of this warmongering rightwing junta right inside our own government. The enemy within.
I though this kind of stuff stopped at waters edge. The Republicans should be mute until the agreement among the major powers, the United States is completed, then they can ratify it or not if it comes to the point where a treaty needs to be ratified.
What I see here is a very vocal and well financed minority of warmongers doing everything they can to go to war with Iran at all cost, even if that cost is the United States losing, and having Russia and China involved.
President Obama is working his hardest to shift the geopolitical center of world politics off the Middle East to Asia, and the #47 Senators are not helping one bit. One reason is they are on the take with the most extreme elements among the rightwing establishment and the military industrial complex just salivating at killing people for profit for no reason but the bottom line.
I hope Obama, Biden, the Administration, Democrats, sensible Republicans, and the establishment that actually controls this country come together to get rid of this warmongering rightwing junta right inside our own government. The enemy within.
I though this kind of stuff stopped at waters edge. The Republicans should be mute until the agreement among the major powers, the United States is completed, then they can ratify it or not if it comes to the point where a treaty needs to be ratified.
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It's interesting that Tom Cotton immediately met with a group a defense contractors after releasing his letter to the public.
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The action of the Republican senators, reprehensible and childlike as it is, comes on the heels of a less than adroit handling of the negotiations by our President. I don't equate the "reaction" to the underlying cause but Mr. Obama's petulant response to criticism, both from within his party and flying in the face of national and international condemnation (Saudi Arabia, UAE, Israel, and some from the members of the governments of France and Germany), has shown a disregard to the opinions of others while assuring those most threatened that he has their "backs covered".
The tension in our government must be shared by a legislature that is juvenile and disrespectful in action with an executive who is disdainful and self-righteous. We deserve better from both quarters.
The tension in our government must be shared by a legislature that is juvenile and disrespectful in action with an executive who is disdainful and self-righteous. We deserve better from both quarters.
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I no longer have any faith that the Repubican Party will do what is best for America, but am more and more convinced that it will do what is in the interest of Netanyahu. The letter is simply the latest of a series of tactics that bear this out and I fear more is to come. How else does anyone explain that Republicans aren't only willing to undermine President Obama, or damage US credibility but apparently they don't give a hoot how all this is being perceived by allies such as Germany, France and England - all of whom are involved in the Iran nuclear negotiations. Maybe the Daily News is correct to describe them as TRAITORS.
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Congratulations Mr. Netanyahu on completing your mission so successfully and getting such a quick response. I do have one question though, does this mean that we can deal directly with the Knesset and not discuss issues with you? After all, you're just the Prime Minister. It's not like you matter or anything.
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Remember that antiquated -- to Republicans -- concept: the loyal opposition?
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So, who's the American president, Barack Obama or Tom Cotton?
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Neither. It's Benjamin Netanyahu.
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Tom Cotton who?
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I saw a comment in another paper that clearly states that any such contact with a foreign nation without the express approval of the US government is a criminal action. It should not matter if it comes from US senators. While I disagree with those that expressly call it treason, one of my senators, Senator Ron Johnson is now a criminal in my mind. The same is true for every one of these senators that are running for president. That should tell us something.
What if someone in congress sent a note to Khrushchev in the middle of the Cuban Missile Crisis? These GOP senators went completely off the reservation this time.
What if someone in congress sent a note to Khrushchev in the middle of the Cuban Missile Crisis? These GOP senators went completely off the reservation this time.
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Isn't the Senate part of the US government? Aren't they legislative?
"Republicans had crossed an inviolable line on foreign policy."
President Obama has been known to draw a red line and what came of it?
Who actually believes the US can make a rock-solid agreement on nuclear power/weapons with the current Iranian regime?
Has Iran changed its "Nuke, Israel!" policy?
President Obama has been known to draw a red line and what came of it?
Who actually believes the US can make a rock-solid agreement on nuclear power/weapons with the current Iranian regime?
Has Iran changed its "Nuke, Israel!" policy?
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President Obama could inform the Knesset that we are ending the US annual stipend of some $3.5 billion and have decided instead to spend the funds fixing up our own roads & bridges. He could point out how duplicitous it is for Israel’s Prime Minister to attack an agreement with Iran to restrict its atomic energy program to peaceful objectives when Israel itself has a covert arsenal of at least 200 nuclear weapons, won’t sign the NPT and refuses to join the IAEA. After such a disgusting display of brazen partisan politics, I wish he would.
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"Democrats?" We don't have "Democrats" any more. We have Republicans, right wing Republicans, and the lunatic fringe. (The latter, by the way, now controls what passes for a Congress.)
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These 47 Republicans' display of such a lack of respect for the president, while terrible and undignified, is sadly not surprising. What is surprising, and in certain ways worse, is the appalling lack of respect that they show for the office of the presidency. This letter could very well come back to haunt the entire country, no matter who is next in office. The myopia and arrogance of this letter is staggering and disgusting. It seems that the thunderous applause from the Netanyahu propaganda stunt have deafened these senators to the point where they cannot hear the citizens beyond their echo chamber, who elected this president to serve.
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This letter, plus the Israeli's address to Congress, makes me very sad. What has happened to America?
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The President has been forced to negotiate and govern from the corner the Republicans backed him into, when they decided at the beginning of his presidency that they would not work with an African-American president. This letter to Iran was intended as an end run around the President's negotiations on the nuclear treaty with Iran. It crosses the line into my dictionary's definition of sedition. Perhaps the Republican senators feel there is security in numbers. There is certainly no honor there.
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The president has ignored Congress throughout these negotations and is about to enter into an agreement without their input and with which they disagree.
The Senators felt they had to make their voices heard. They are not obligated, legally or morally, to remain silent. Surely, the president knew this. Why, then, has he left them with no other option than to choose avenues like this?
The Senators felt they had to make their voices heard. They are not obligated, legally or morally, to remain silent. Surely, the president knew this. Why, then, has he left them with no other option than to choose avenues like this?
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Oh, they certainly had one option, to not send a letter that borders on sedition. There are many ways to "make their voices heard" without undermining negotiations on foreign policy that, thus far, hasn't resulted in any agreement whatsoever and involves other respected countries besides the United States.
Then there's also the other option to simply shut their mouths until the negotiations are completed and they actually have something documented to comment about. Imagine that!
Then there's also the other option to simply shut their mouths until the negotiations are completed and they actually have something documented to comment about. Imagine that!
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I guess you think no other Congresses had to deal with things they don't agree with without resorting to this kind of unacceptable behavior. Right.
Mr. Cotton is the youngest member of the Senate. He has been on the job 2 months. If you think these guys have been trying to deal with this problem in good faith, that is laughable and very sad.
Mr. Cotton is the youngest member of the Senate. He has been on the job 2 months. If you think these guys have been trying to deal with this problem in good faith, that is laughable and very sad.
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Silent? The Senators, Netanyahu and many in his government have been shouting at the top of their lungs since the negotiations started. Is that what you consider silent?
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I find it difficult to see how any elected official working to undermine the office and actions of the President by communicating with a hostile country can be viewed as any thing other than a traitorous.
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Trying to imagine any of the GOP Presidential hopefuls trying to negotiate with any foreign power after this debacle...Mr president, just to confirm that you are already on record that we cannot expect this agreement to survive your term in office.
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The only way these 47 are ever going to atone for their sin is by RESIGNING. Not that that will fix the problem they created, but it would show that they realize how serious a breach of the Constitutional directive that appears in Article 2, clauses 1 and 2 they have committed. They are not fit to serve this great nation in any office of trust.
RESIGN, all 47 of you.
RESIGN, all 47 of you.
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When I looked at the pdf of the letter, I thought the last signature said "Jerry Moron".
That was no doubt correct.
That was no doubt correct.
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239 years on and we're still fighting over who gets to go first.
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Something to consider... The Republican domination in terms of Senate and Congress were in fact, placed their by the voters of this country; no one else. Saying things like "our country is gone," or "let them secede from the nation," or "let's prosecute em,'" is about as anti-American as it can get. The Senate felt compelled to speak up for the voters of this country, whom elected these representatives, as a stop-gap measure to balance the Administration's lead foot on nuclear proliferation in the Middle-East. Does anyone really think for one second that Iran will ALWAYS properly dispose of U238--->U235 and Pu239 as produced my power plant reactors?
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And the president was twice elected to his position by the majority of Americans in this country. At the 2012 election, that represented 65.9 million voters, and even more in 2008. He is the first president since Dwight D. Eisenhower in the 1950s to win at least 51% of the popular vote twice.
In the meantime, the Republicans in 2014 won a tiny majority due to low turnout and voter suppression. Comparing the number of voters for Democratic senators and those for Republican senators between the 2012 and 2014 elections indicates that Democratic senators represent 20 million more Americans.
And the point of negotiations is to build in ways of monitoring compliance. This is a nuclear deal with the five permanent members of the United Nations plus Germany.
In the meantime, the Republicans in 2014 won a tiny majority due to low turnout and voter suppression. Comparing the number of voters for Democratic senators and those for Republican senators between the 2012 and 2014 elections indicates that Democratic senators represent 20 million more Americans.
And the point of negotiations is to build in ways of monitoring compliance. This is a nuclear deal with the five permanent members of the United Nations plus Germany.
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Re: 'The Republican domination in terms of Senate and Congress were in fact, placed their by the voters of this country; no one else'
But the electorate keeps voting GOP against their own benefit. Alas, this is how democracy works in america where the people presumably know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. Afterall the electorate put the GOP back into power in 2012, even though it meant continuing political scorched-earth shenanigans and reckless brinkmanship. And incredibly they did it again in the 2014 mid-terms. Clearly it´ll take a full return to debilitating GOP ideology to educate voters to the absurdity of what they are doing.
But the electorate keeps voting GOP against their own benefit. Alas, this is how democracy works in america where the people presumably know what they want, and deserve to get it good and hard. Afterall the electorate put the GOP back into power in 2012, even though it meant continuing political scorched-earth shenanigans and reckless brinkmanship. And incredibly they did it again in the 2014 mid-terms. Clearly it´ll take a full return to debilitating GOP ideology to educate voters to the absurdity of what they are doing.
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Troll
You forget President McCain in 2008 and President Romney in 2012 ... Oh, wait ... The electorate didn't elect those guys? The eleceted ... ?Barack Obama TWICE. those elections DON'T count, you say?
Why is that the case?
Because you didn't like the results? TOUGH.
You forget President McCain in 2008 and President Romney in 2012 ... Oh, wait ... The electorate didn't elect those guys? The eleceted ... ?Barack Obama TWICE. those elections DON'T count, you say?
Why is that the case?
Because you didn't like the results? TOUGH.
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The more these politicians argue about what is best for Israel the stronger I feel they do not care what is in the best interest of the United States. These are the same people who called Chelsea Manning and Edward Snowden traitors. What could be more treasonous that writing a foreign government with the intent to undermine our own government. IT's time our elected officials put America first.
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Edward Snowden is a traitor. He was employed by the Government and signed confidentiality agreements. He was not a journalist.
Both the Senate and The Congress were briefed by CIA/DIA, all intelligence communities as required by law. They were fully aware of what our intelligence communities were doing and likely granted permission beforehand.
There has been no insiduation that anyone other than Snowden did anything illegal or bad.
Both houses and all committees were in Democrat Party Control at the time.
Both the Senate and The Congress were briefed by CIA/DIA, all intelligence communities as required by law. They were fully aware of what our intelligence communities were doing and likely granted permission beforehand.
There has been no insiduation that anyone other than Snowden did anything illegal or bad.
Both houses and all committees were in Democrat Party Control at the time.
This attempt by shortsighted Republicans to get their way by undermining Obama in fact undermines the government of the United States. Partisan politics should have NOTHING to do with the relations of our government with other countries. If Republicans don't have the votes to get their way that doesn't mean they have the right to turn around and sabotage the work of the government. What country will EVER trust our negotiators about ANYTHING in the future if they are told not to count that we will be able to keep our word? Are the Republicans really so stupid they didn't think of the long term effects of this declaration? What a disgusting move on their part.
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It is a bunch of arrogant old men trying desperately to cling to power and the old world order where they ruled. They know they will never see the presidency again so they attempt to wreck the institution itself and establish themselves, surprise, surprise, as the new rulers and commanders in chief by discordant committee; all aimlessly strutting around boldly in "suits of the finest cloth". They will die before us and they would just as soon take us out with them. Capiche?
If their intent is to show solidarity with Israel, Israel should be afraid: in light of this precedent establishing act why should any future American government in disagreement with Israel feel bound by past agreements that favor them?
Certainly Putin will be empowered by this declaration; why should he show any deference to international pressure to withdraw from Ukraine, or from taking territory from any former Soviet member state?
Why should any nation agree with us over any issue that can be abbrogated by the other party with a stroke of a pen?
What is the Republican formula for future settlement of international disagreement? War, war, and only war?
That's worked out very well in Iraq and the war on terrorism, hasn't it?
These Senators are truly stupid people, whether by birth, education, or choice, but in truth apparently some combination of same. More to the point they're treasonous.
Seeing John McCain's signature on that document made my heart drop. A former prisoner of war, a decorated hero, dishonoring himself, his president, his party and his nation.
This act is truly reprehensible.
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Certainly Putin will be empowered by this declaration; why should he show any deference to international pressure to withdraw from Ukraine, or from taking territory from any former Soviet member state?
Why should any nation agree with us over any issue that can be abbrogated by the other party with a stroke of a pen?
What is the Republican formula for future settlement of international disagreement? War, war, and only war?
That's worked out very well in Iraq and the war on terrorism, hasn't it?
These Senators are truly stupid people, whether by birth, education, or choice, but in truth apparently some combination of same. More to the point they're treasonous.
Seeing John McCain's signature on that document made my heart drop. A former prisoner of war, a decorated hero, dishonoring himself, his president, his party and his nation.
This act is truly reprehensible.
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Let's address you assertions shall we?
Referring to international disagreement and fighting terrorism:
A. Was the attack on Pearl Harbor a disagreement, declaration of war, or an act of terror? I believe a Democrat ordered the US fleet to move west in an attempt to deter Japanese aggression in SE Asia. Japan saw us as the aggressor. Truman takes over as the new Democratic president and drops two bombs on Japan in retaliation for Pearl Harbor, which MAY have been avoided if the US Fleet didn't aggress West to SE Asia.
B. Korean War; I mean a "police action" said the Democrat Harry Truman; a foreign disagreement?
C1. Vietnam War; Eisenhower warned Kennedy about SE Asia troubles so Kennedy invaded Cuba instead. Which really angered the USSR. LBJ a Democrat favorite, started a "conflict" with SE Asian communism. Again, a foreign disagreement with SE Asia. Laos in the middle of it. Definitely not a war right?
C2. Cuban Missile Crisis: "Vienna Summit," waste of time. Nikita pushed Kennedy around like a cat pawing at a mouse. 1962 - Soviet Union moves to arm and strategize Cuba's position w/ nuclear proliferation and US aggression.
Kennedy is assassinated in 1963.
D. President Carter: Vetoed neutron bomb proliferation(A very good move). Transition from Axis, Communist & Nuclear Arms based wars to energy related wars.
Do not tell us that all wars are Republican wars.
Referring to international disagreement and fighting terrorism:
A. Was the attack on Pearl Harbor a disagreement, declaration of war, or an act of terror? I believe a Democrat ordered the US fleet to move west in an attempt to deter Japanese aggression in SE Asia. Japan saw us as the aggressor. Truman takes over as the new Democratic president and drops two bombs on Japan in retaliation for Pearl Harbor, which MAY have been avoided if the US Fleet didn't aggress West to SE Asia.
B. Korean War; I mean a "police action" said the Democrat Harry Truman; a foreign disagreement?
C1. Vietnam War; Eisenhower warned Kennedy about SE Asia troubles so Kennedy invaded Cuba instead. Which really angered the USSR. LBJ a Democrat favorite, started a "conflict" with SE Asian communism. Again, a foreign disagreement with SE Asia. Laos in the middle of it. Definitely not a war right?
C2. Cuban Missile Crisis: "Vienna Summit," waste of time. Nikita pushed Kennedy around like a cat pawing at a mouse. 1962 - Soviet Union moves to arm and strategize Cuba's position w/ nuclear proliferation and US aggression.
Kennedy is assassinated in 1963.
D. President Carter: Vetoed neutron bomb proliferation(A very good move). Transition from Axis, Communist & Nuclear Arms based wars to energy related wars.
Do not tell us that all wars are Republican wars.
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You aren't addressing my assertions in any way; you're asserting arguments that are straw men, have nothing to do with what I stated, and are intended solely to assuage your apparently offended position. My "assertions" are, in sum, not plural, but singular: these 47 senators denounce, implicitly, the negotiations and threaten that any result that doesn't meet with their approval will be repealed. No party in the past has promised such unilateral reaction to an opposing party's negotiations. It's precedent setting. I'm sure you'll love knowing that if acted on future Democrat government are given Republican approval to act in exactly the same manner.
Either you're argumentatively challenged, purposefully stupidly contradictory, or anarchistically rude, or all three, but likely the latter.
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Either you're argumentatively challenged, purposefully stupidly contradictory, or anarchistically rude, or all three, but likely the latter.
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No need for insults John,
My rebuttal to you discussed key points in your original statement. You accused Republicans of solving problems with "WAR WAR only WAR." Well I felt I needed to balance your slighted argument by listing several Democratic blunders in foreign policy, from the past 80+ years.
If the president starts some cloak and dagger deal w/ Russia, France, Germany, Iran & China on the ball field it makes me wonder how any of this is in our best interest.
I digress.
The letter was informative of Constitutional process. Congress will not agree to such an energy deal. Especially if they border Israel.
My rebuttal to you discussed key points in your original statement. You accused Republicans of solving problems with "WAR WAR only WAR." Well I felt I needed to balance your slighted argument by listing several Democratic blunders in foreign policy, from the past 80+ years.
If the president starts some cloak and dagger deal w/ Russia, France, Germany, Iran & China on the ball field it makes me wonder how any of this is in our best interest.
I digress.
The letter was informative of Constitutional process. Congress will not agree to such an energy deal. Especially if they border Israel.
The undermining of our elected President continues. It does not surprise me that 47 Senators committed TREASON and will get away with it. After all, our news media, elected officials and their rich benefactors have been bought and paid for. We no longer have a Democracy. We are creeping towards open fascism, hatred and betrayal of our morals and our laws. This action on the part of the Senate is incredibly moronic and again shows our country being governed by people who lack the intellectual capacity to reason.
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There is no treason in writing a letter unless it contains secrets, one is working for another country, espionage, etc. This letter was sent openly and anyone can read it. There's nothing cloak and dagger about any of this. I don't need to ask the president if I want to warn my mother in France about the falling price of tea in China.
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It's apparent that the GOP senators haven't the faintest clue that the Iranians actually are involved in the fight against ISIS, moire heavily involved than the United States since they have "boots on the ground." As is true elsewhere in the Middle East, religious factionalism --in this case Shiites vs Sunnis --drives alliances. For history buffs, the situation is not unlike the seventeenth century religious wars in Europe where Catholics and Protestants eventually settled on territorial divisions based on the dominant faith in particular regions. Bottom line: Let's not engage Iran in hostile terms at this juncture. They may make strange bedfellows with the US but so do Republicans and Democrats these days
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When Senators send a letter that clearly demonstrates their lack of understanding of the Constitution, the separation of powers, and international law, it seems that they have disqualified themselves from being able to "uphold and defend" it as they have sworn to do. President Obama has the Constitutional authority under the Constitution to handle foreign affairs not the Congress which has the power to review, but only "advise and consent" on treaties, and this so-called "deal" which doesn't yet exist is not cast as a treaty. Unfortunately, by their sophomoric, petty partisan meddling these Republican Senators will be to blame if there is no deal and there is a further escalation of the war that's already engulfed the region. By their act, they are tacitly encouraging the Netanyahu government to launch a preemptive attack on Iran and also igniting a potential nuclear arms race in the region. These men have shown themselves to be unsuitable to hold public office and should all be removed either by recall, resignation or impeachment.
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This is the culmination of ignorant Tea Party influence on the GOP and the despicable GOP involvement in supporting one side in Israel, namely the current PM. May the wise voters in Israel reject Netanyahu and his effort to embroil the USA in a war with Iran.
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Listening to Senator Cotton on "Morning Joe" this morning as he referred to Israeli's attacks against Iraq's and Syria's nuclear facilities it became very apparent that he thinks using military force against Iran would easily stop them from developing a nuclear weapon. Given that those situations he mentioned were vastly different, it is past time for the Defense Department to conduct some very thorough briefings to our neo-con GOP politicians about the potential costs and risks of war with Iran. It sure seems as if, despite the tragic result of our regime change effort in Iraq, some people like the Senator have not become any wiser. One would hope that in the next election the American people will recognize the costs of having politicians who think war is the answer.
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Cotton is what you get when you give a young grunt Army officer too much say-so in the 'big picture'. What looks simple from the position platoon or company level is more complicated at the headquarters level.
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" it is past time for the Defense Department to conduct some very thorough briefings to our neo-con GOP politicians about the potential costs and risks of war with Iran"
It is my understanding that a war with the mad mullahs of Iran could be fought at the cost of TWO Trident D-5 missiles with 7 x 750KT W88 warheads each. Due to high population density in Iran, this would be more than enough to bomb them back into the stone age for many, many years.
It is my understanding that a war with the mad mullahs of Iran could be fought at the cost of TWO Trident D-5 missiles with 7 x 750KT W88 warheads each. Due to high population density in Iran, this would be more than enough to bomb them back into the stone age for many, many years.
My voice is "shaking with laughter" at Michigan Rep. Stabenow's retort to Congressional Republicans that, as an opponent of Bush policy toward Iraq, she would have "never sent a letter to Saddam Hussein."
This is good, Ms. Stabenow. Saddam Hussein was a bona fide bad guy who invaded Kuwait, and defied an international coalition with force following security council resolutions warning of an impending invasion of Iraq lest it not retreat from Kuwait, and purportedly had weapons of mass destruction he intended to use, such as when he gassed his own people.
Congress was fully briefed on Iraq. How's your briefing going as to Iranian negotiations?
Finally, are you "shaking with rage" because Iran under the Mullahs is just as adversarial as Saddam? If so, why are the deal's details still secret from the American public through their Congressional representatives?
And why has President Obama referred to Iran as a "rational state actor" which may also become a "rational regional power"?
I'm the one shaking now. From fear for my country.
This is good, Ms. Stabenow. Saddam Hussein was a bona fide bad guy who invaded Kuwait, and defied an international coalition with force following security council resolutions warning of an impending invasion of Iraq lest it not retreat from Kuwait, and purportedly had weapons of mass destruction he intended to use, such as when he gassed his own people.
Congress was fully briefed on Iraq. How's your briefing going as to Iranian negotiations?
Finally, are you "shaking with rage" because Iran under the Mullahs is just as adversarial as Saddam? If so, why are the deal's details still secret from the American public through their Congressional representatives?
And why has President Obama referred to Iran as a "rational state actor" which may also become a "rational regional power"?
I'm the one shaking now. From fear for my country.
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We slaughtered lots of Vietnamese. Now they're our commercial partners. We ground the Germans into the dust, now they're our allies. Ditto the Japanese. What don't you understand about diplomacy?
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Just a small correction RE our 2002-2003 Iraq war history - "Congress was fully briefed on Iraq" should read "The Bush adminsitration lied to Congress about the existence of weapons of mass destruction."
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Do you know st. Ronnie helped saddam kill more than a million Iranians?
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Debbie Stabenow put things in their proper perspective. Domestic politics are one thing, stepping over the line and dealing directly with the enemy is quite another. There has to be some penalty imposed, if the Logan Act applies, then use it.
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There was no violation of the Logan act.
An open letter to Senator Mark Kirk (Republican from Illinois.) You will soon are stand for re-election in the state that was home to both President Obama and President Lincoln. I know you will try to convince voters from predominantly Democratic enclaves (such as Chicago) that you are a moderate, centrist Republican who is worthy of our votes.
Sadly for you, the only thing I will remember when I enter the voting booth is that you engaged in illegal, immoral negotiations with the government of Iran that are not authorized by any law, including the Constitution. You attempted to undermine and humiliate our twice-elected President.
And then I will pull the lever for your Democratic opponent.
Sadly for you, the only thing I will remember when I enter the voting booth is that you engaged in illegal, immoral negotiations with the government of Iran that are not authorized by any law, including the Constitution. You attempted to undermine and humiliate our twice-elected President.
And then I will pull the lever for your Democratic opponent.
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Amen. All I have to do is change the Senator's name to Rob Portman-R from
Ohio. In fact, I emailed the same sentiments to him today.
Ohio. In fact, I emailed the same sentiments to him today.
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Lets look at it another way. We are playing stud poker and suddenly someone from the audience(non-players) reaches over the shoulder of the US and turns over the US's hole cards and states that these are not the cards we are going play. Lets re-deal. In the old west, including Texas, Arkansas, Kentucky, Arizona included, you just bought your funeral. This stupidity needs to stop now. Obama is our twice duly elected representative like it or not. Neither the Senate or its Republicans have either the legal responsibility nor authority to do what they have done. We all know that Mitch Mc Connell had to be involved in this travesty. Nothing in the Senate occurs without his OK. Mitch thank you for not only your disrespect, but your extraordinary help on the next election.
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I am absolutely disgusted by this. Unbelievable how nasty, destructive and rebarbative these politicians can be. I'm ashamed and disappointed that they would undermine our President this way.
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This letter is really a reminder to all other nations that the United States cannot be trusted in any international negotiations. If Iran can't count on us to keep our agreements who else can? This should cause greater concern among our ostensible allies in this process than to the Iranians. Why should China, Russia, Germany etc. stick with us on sanctions when we make threats to back out of any deal we negotiate. Looks like with the U.S. its every man for himself.
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I am not a lawyer. That being said, my reading of the Logan Act would indicate that the 47 Senators should be prosecuted.
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Right, but so should Bush-Cheney and many others. After Iran-Contra, a bunch of Reagan administration people were convicted but saved from prison by George H.W. Bush's pardons. No one was held responsible for war crimes in Panama. Big bankers wrecked the savings of millions of Americans, but they still get large bonuses. So what's the point of wishing for prosecution of these 47 who are no more than symptoms of the disease in the body politic?
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I read the Logan Act also, and it refers to "any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be..." The rest of the act did not absolve members of Congress or the Executive from the interpretation of "any citizen wherever he may be," as some people have already suggested. In plain language, yes, a member of Congress may be indicted under the Logan Act. It is now up to the Justice Department to look into it.
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This would be deeply shocking no matter who did it, republican or democrat. But one can only imagine the screaming and chest beating that would have resulted if the democrats had pulled a stunt like this on Bush. These constant attempts to undermine the office of the president - no matter WHO is sitting in the seat - and the endless one-up-manship between the two parties are deeply damaging to this country and ultimately to the lives of everyone who lives in it. It's really horrifying that it's come to this and there seems to be no way to stop it.
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This is not a deal between the United States and Iran. This agreement is being negotiated by the 5+1: the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council (the U.S., Great Britain, France, Russia, and China) + Germany. This coalition is completely voluntary. These other nations don't need the approval of the U.S. to make a deal with Iran, to lift sanctions, or to normalize relations. Any agreement that a U.S.-led group makes certainly would be more palatable to the U.S. and Israel than one cut without our involvement. Bibi, John, and Mitch should be more circumspect in what they wish for.
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I believe the Republicans had no choice but to do this.
When a United States President signs a multi-lateral agreement as the agreement with Iran would be, it really is impossible for a future President to repudiate it.
Once there is an agreement in place, it is a done deal. unless it is pre-acknowledged that it is a "treaty" which has to be approved by the Senate. An agreement does not have to be approved by the Senate.
What the Republicans have done is given notice to Iran that even though protocol dictates that future Presidents cannot repudiate these type of agreements, this case is going to be an exception.
I don't believe at any time in American history has a President negotiated a multi-lateral or even bi-lateral agreement with another country that is opposed by such a large percentage of the members of Congress, including most Republicans and many Democrats. It is almost an act of dictatorship. No earlier President would have done something like this.
When a United States President signs a multi-lateral agreement as the agreement with Iran would be, it really is impossible for a future President to repudiate it.
Once there is an agreement in place, it is a done deal. unless it is pre-acknowledged that it is a "treaty" which has to be approved by the Senate. An agreement does not have to be approved by the Senate.
What the Republicans have done is given notice to Iran that even though protocol dictates that future Presidents cannot repudiate these type of agreements, this case is going to be an exception.
I don't believe at any time in American history has a President negotiated a multi-lateral or even bi-lateral agreement with another country that is opposed by such a large percentage of the members of Congress, including most Republicans and many Democrats. It is almost an act of dictatorship. No earlier President would have done something like this.
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And you talk about a multilateral agreement that you haven't even seen? How do you know that you, much less than "a large percentage of the members of Congress" oppose it??? You don't even know what it is yet — it hasn't been negotiated — and you call it "dictatorship"? What you are saying is that no matter how good a deal Mr. Obama will get from the Iranians, you are against it. Well, we now know what your priorities are, and they have nothing to do with the realities of the US relationship with Iran. You just don't like anything this president does.
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You need a history lesson: look up the Jay Treaty.
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"I believe the Republicans had no choice but to do this."
Correction: As senators they had a choice: the could call for a congressional hearing on the Iran negotiations. That does not entail the right to directly address a foreign government to plead a case counter the position of their own Executive Branch. Please read the Logan Act.
As far as "No earlier President would have done something like this," Fred Kaplan has this to say: "Similar agreements have been struck on a host of arms control measures over the years, including President George W. Bush’s Proliferation Security Initiative, President Gerald Ford’s Helsinki Final Act, and several hundred bilateral and multilateral measures, guidelines, and memoranda of understanding struck over the decades."
http://tinyurl.com/lbzfv6g
Wrong on both of your arguments.
Correction: As senators they had a choice: the could call for a congressional hearing on the Iran negotiations. That does not entail the right to directly address a foreign government to plead a case counter the position of their own Executive Branch. Please read the Logan Act.
As far as "No earlier President would have done something like this," Fred Kaplan has this to say: "Similar agreements have been struck on a host of arms control measures over the years, including President George W. Bush’s Proliferation Security Initiative, President Gerald Ford’s Helsinki Final Act, and several hundred bilateral and multilateral measures, guidelines, and memoranda of understanding struck over the decades."
http://tinyurl.com/lbzfv6g
Wrong on both of your arguments.
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Simply speechless. The shortsightedness of the letter is perhaps the reason the framers placed foreign policy in the hands of the executive. They have no shame and any Democrat that backs this fiasco should say goodbye to public office - unless of course this is the new normal - if is, Rome has burned already.
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The fact that Mitch McConnell, a Senator of long standing and, one would
assume, respectful and knowledgeable of protocol in matters of foreign
policy negotiations, would sign the open letter to Iran is astonishing.
As Senate majority leader he not only has no control over his members,
he must feel politically threatened by them.
assume, respectful and knowledgeable of protocol in matters of foreign
policy negotiations, would sign the open letter to Iran is astonishing.
As Senate majority leader he not only has no control over his members,
he must feel politically threatened by them.
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I agree. Orin Hatch and Lyndsey Graham also, although I've thought they both looked sick recently--sick and bitter.
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McConnell cares nothing about this Nation and his conduct in the Senate over the last 6 years is a record of mindless obstruction, first to bring about JOB ONE, making Obama a 1-term president, and now JOB TWO, extorting that President by shutting down the Government without considering that such would not be good for the Nation. If anything, McConnell is the poster boy for who should not be in positions of power.
“There’s only one thing Barack Obama needs to keep his grip on power,” McConnell said, “He needs the U.S. Senate!”......And that tells you all you need to know about McConnell's vision for the country.
“There’s only one thing Barack Obama needs to keep his grip on power,” McConnell said, “He needs the U.S. Senate!”......And that tells you all you need to know about McConnell's vision for the country.
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The GOP's immoderate responses to this moderate president since day one tells me there is only one real issue: a black man in the White House who will not be tolerated, even at the expense of our country and the world.
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Well we believe in free speech and the Constitution. Kerry went to North Vietnam while Nixon was negotiating the end of that war, opposed to Nixon. He later went to N. Korea to talk while our Pres was trying to negotiate a deal to keep N. Korea nuclear free. Pelosi went to Syria to meet Assad while Bush was attempting to stop the blood shed in Syria. It goes on and on.
Frankly, there was nothing in "the letter" that was untrue. Obama has done nothing in foreign affairs except manage to tick off all of our allies. He's mucked up each and every overseas action save sending beds and buildings to W. Africa just as the epidemic was winding down.
Frankly, there was nothing in "the letter" that was untrue. Obama has done nothing in foreign affairs except manage to tick off all of our allies. He's mucked up each and every overseas action save sending beds and buildings to W. Africa just as the epidemic was winding down.
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According to later evidence released, Nixon actually dealt privately with the South Vietnamese to undermine Pres. Johnson's negotiations to end the Vietnam War. The Vietnamese had just made major concessions in late 1968, when Nixon sent Chennault to Vietnam to promise a better deal if they would hold off until after the election. Pres. Johnson knew about this and called it treason, but was not able to make it public due to national security issues. Nixon's interference stopped the war from being ended earlier, and American lives were lost.
That is a sad earlier example of Republican anti-Americanism in favor of partisan politics.
That is a sad earlier example of Republican anti-Americanism in favor of partisan politics.
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"Obama has done nothing in foreign affairs except manage to tick off all of our allies." Oh. That must be why this negotiation is joined by the 5+1 — the five permanent members of the U.N. Security Council (the U.S., Great Britain, France, Russia, and China) + Germany. Stop watching Fox Noise.
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Republicans first brought Netanyahu, a critic of President Obama to speak in joint session of congress and cheer him to insult Obama. Netanyahu do not have any alternative ideas than the USA and other countries are trying to reach with Iran. Now US republican senators are bypassing all the protocols, decency and principles by directly writing to Iran and saying that President of United States has no authority to deal with Iran. Great example to rest of the world to show the greatness of a "Democratic Government". This is not a good way to win 2016 elections by belittling and insulting your own democratically elected president.
RPC
RPC
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The Republicans are all for strict adherence to the Constitution. Perhaps, I have faulty memory, but so far as I know there is no article or clause in the Constitution authorizing the Congress to make a unilateral overture to a foreign power. To my mind this is a traitorous act on the part of those 47 Senators, and they should be dealt with accordingly. This is scandalous.
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If President Obama was a strong leader in international affairs the Republicans would not feel the need to make public statements. Also, president Obama has time and again shown everyone he does not know how to work with people who hold to a position that differs with his own. Compromise and open communication would help him work with congress. It is a pity that he does not have a clue how to do this simple task. Also it is pity that President Obama,s short comings cause the Democrats in Congress seeking common ground and compromise with Republican.
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BOTH Republican and Democrat politicians are letting down the USA people.
They forget that they are elected to SERVE THE USA people.
We are not getting our taxpayer money's worth.
Shame on all of them!
They forget that they are elected to SERVE THE USA people.
We are not getting our taxpayer money's worth.
Shame on all of them!
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"[P]resident Obama has time and again shown everyone he does not know how to work with people who hold to a position that differs with his own. Compromise and open communication would help him work with congress." Right. As though the Republican leadership didn't meet the day of his inauguration and explicitly promise to oppose everything he tried to do. As if he didn't spend 6 years trying to offer compromises to the Republicans on every issue. The reality is that if he can be criticized for anything it is for trying too long to forge compromises. Now he has correctly concluded that the GOP has zero interest in working with him.
I'm guessing that you learned all this from your favorite "fair and balanced" news site. You probably don't care that Politifact has reported that Fox News tells the truth 18% of the time. It's all part of the vast liberal conspiracy.
I'm guessing that you learned all this from your favorite "fair and balanced" news site. You probably don't care that Politifact has reported that Fox News tells the truth 18% of the time. It's all part of the vast liberal conspiracy.
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You need to pull your head out of that FOX hole. Seriously.
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There is no question that over the span of history more and more power presides with the Executive branch. We see it whether or not POTUS is a Democrat or Republican. The fact that congress has been trying to regain some of its lost balance is commendable and I have been supportive of the initiative. However, I'm afraid that to cede Executive powers to this congress is an absolute mistake: they behave like spoiled brats and feel their positions are the only ones that matter. No compromise. No concerns that their views are not necessarily shared by the majority of Americans. And no concern for 'minority views.' Whether they have broken the Logan Act is debatable ... but they are treading very close to un-Patriotic actions when sending their letter to Iranian officials.
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Left unrebuked and un tried this unprecedented grab for power threatens American democracy. It sets a remarkably dangerous precedence which cannot be tolerated if we are to continue as a nation. It is an act seemingly unsupported by the Constitution of the United States of America and leaves the nation awash in the world. We become a rogue state or, more likely, a group of states without central leadership. This fact has already been recognized by other nations.
It seems the only way forward is for the actions to be challenged in a national trial. We must determine who we are and how we are governed. At the moment there is no "We the people.."
It seems the only way forward is for the actions to be challenged in a national trial. We must determine who we are and how we are governed. At the moment there is no "We the people.."
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Below is the Senate's Oath of Office. It is the exact same one I take as a military officer.
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God.
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The problem is more fundamental than disloyalty or the Logan Act. Basically the US has become ungovernable. We are disintegreating as a nation. Our schools are dreadful. Our student outcomes are dreadful. Our infant mortality is the worst in the developed world. Our medical system costs twice as much as other countries with poorer outcomes. All we do for job creation now is to make jobs at McDonalds for our kids. Our high tech has all gone to Asia. The only productive area is making wars for no reason. Congress does nothing except take money from us so that they can have socialized medicine for themselves and their families. And large pay packets. And endless stories of corruption.
We are in a mess. And the GOP is as bad, and possibly worse, than the Democrats.
So who do we blame? The framers of the constitution? Possibly. Ourselves for sure, for putting all these bozos into Washington. We need a massive clear out at the next election. But so few people can be bothered to vote that the same old nonsense will continue.
We are in a mess. And the GOP is as bad, and possibly worse, than the Democrats.
So who do we blame? The framers of the constitution? Possibly. Ourselves for sure, for putting all these bozos into Washington. We need a massive clear out at the next election. But so few people can be bothered to vote that the same old nonsense will continue.
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Well, basically, no one in power has interest in the US anymore. The titans of Wall Street found bigger profits overseas so investments in goods, infrastructure and R&D followed. The Republican Party is the party of the 1% and they do their bidding. Republicans are only there to make sure the money flows up, not across or down. Since its takes big money to speculate in politics, the Democrats have got to either play the 1% game or die on the vine. No incentive there to care about the general welfare of the US. No one in power has any reason to give 2 cents about the US in general, as a country, that is. The only thing US has going for it is its military might and that military is being used to ensure the 1% profits are being protected, at home and abroad.
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I was with you until you suggested that voting will solve these problems. But our electoral system is corrupt also and fails to provide real alternatives. Ultimately the Democrats are as bad as the Republicans and both work for the same interests that you bemoan.
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Many have argued that the 47 senators' action violated the Logan Act (18 U.S.C. § 953).
Though what they did was deplorable, foolish, and possibly dangerous, I wonder: would the Speech and Debate Clause of the U.S. Constitution (art. I, § 6, cl. 1) protect them from prosecution under the Logan Act?
The clause provides:
"The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."
The Senate describes the foregoing clause as "protect[ing] members from criminal or civil liability in the performance of their legislative responsibilities."
Does any constitutional-law expert have an opinion?
Though what they did was deplorable, foolish, and possibly dangerous, I wonder: would the Speech and Debate Clause of the U.S. Constitution (art. I, § 6, cl. 1) protect them from prosecution under the Logan Act?
The clause provides:
"The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States. They shall in all Cases, except Treason, Felony and Breach of the Peace, be privileged from Arrest during their Attendance at the Session of their respective Houses, and in going to and returning from the same; and for any Speech or Debate in either House, they shall not be questioned in any other Place."
The Senate describes the foregoing clause as "protect[ing] members from criminal or civil liability in the performance of their legislative responsibilities."
Does any constitutional-law expert have an opinion?
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In as much as the letter was neither a speech or a debate, and in as much as it was a felonious violation of the Logan Act, and in as much as it may even be treasonous, the constitutional privilege you reference (Article I, Section 6) does not pertain.
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There is very little protection in the speech and debate clause, certainly none for writing letters to foreign governments.
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@Michael B: In as much as writing a letter can be considered speech and in as much as you are declaring someone guilty it appears you are not the constitutional law expert requested.
There's a lot of focus on the partisan nature of this and whether it's treason--all just more of this wildly oscillating political circus of extremes. My real concern isn't so much this one (albeit important) interaction with Iran, but what damage this sort of thing does to the United States' reputation in a broader, longer term sense. What must the rest of the world think of this circus? It's one thing when we keep our madness within our own borders, but when it spills into international arenas, we are surely damaging whatever standing we have among the democratic and freedom-seeking people of the world who might have looked to us to take leads in solving global problems.
Surely there is global support for a peaceful solution to the Iranian nuclear problem. The last thing we need is to assume inevitable military action and not attempt to solve things peacefully, yet now we present ourselves as undecided and not trustworthy in our efforts to deal peacefully in these important international affiars. Whatever the rules are or aren't, this action has made us look like a somewhat disfunctional and unreliable state to friends and enemies. There is no doubt that this action has further eroded our reputation and will continue to weaken the stature of the US abroad and our ability to achieve our goals in this world.
One really wonders what these politicians could possibly be thinking. They seem to stop at nothing to erode this nation's ability to do things at home and abroad.
Surely there is global support for a peaceful solution to the Iranian nuclear problem. The last thing we need is to assume inevitable military action and not attempt to solve things peacefully, yet now we present ourselves as undecided and not trustworthy in our efforts to deal peacefully in these important international affiars. Whatever the rules are or aren't, this action has made us look like a somewhat disfunctional and unreliable state to friends and enemies. There is no doubt that this action has further eroded our reputation and will continue to weaken the stature of the US abroad and our ability to achieve our goals in this world.
One really wonders what these politicians could possibly be thinking. They seem to stop at nothing to erode this nation's ability to do things at home and abroad.
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These politicians do not know or understand our Constitution. How very troubling! They have no qualms, evidently, in destroying our nation's standing with the rest of the world. Maybe they should read and learn their responsibility and their position as they are not showing any knowledge of it now.
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In fact it's not that long ago in mid to late 2000s when America's reputation abroad was almost completely shattered due to misdeeds and misadventures of the Bush administration and its Republican Congress. With the election of Obama, we saw the respect gradually restored. Now with these particularly nasty republicans, we're going back full circle.
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Done in plain view by opposing members of the legislative body to undercut the executive. On a world stage. It is so divisive that it invites intervention from foreign powers. I don't think I can name anything so treasonous, short of political assassination.
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Meanwhile, our United States Postal Service is falling apart!
Thanks a lot worthless politicians!
Thanks a lot worthless politicians!
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Dysfunctional families usually try to keep their differences within the family, and wisely so. Our nation is now as dysfunctional as I have ever witnessed, and I came of age during the Vietnam War, with its daily demonstrations, riots and all that. The fact is, half the country's citizens will tacitly approve of this outrage by re-electing those senators who signed the letter. So, the question is - how can we possibly hope to achieve anything of value as a nation in this state of extreme dysfunction? The answer is surely that we cannot. The future is not bright, to say the least. And anyone who thinks otherwise looks to me exceedingly delusional. Every time I try to envision improvement, the swing of the pendulum back toward some semblance of sanity, the GOP, or its out-of-control radical element, pulls one of these shenanigans, leaving this old man with little hope of living to see a better day for our children. We cannot keep fighting our way through history. We're rapidly getting nowhere. Check that - oblivion is coming into focus.
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Depending on the short memory of voters, they should another that the US was close to negotiating a deal with Iran concerning nuclear technology. Even coming close to normalizing relations. But, those in the GOP decided to short circuit the deal. Also, they showed that their loyalty lies with not the current administration, but with that of Prime Minister Netanyahu of Israel our GOP appointed chief executive.
What's next, passing a resolution, including providing US troops, to clear Temple Mount to build a new temple and to expand the borders of Israel so it includes all of the "Promised Land", now held by parts of present day Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt? And to adopt Christian Zionism as the new US mantra?
It took 36 years for the US and Iran to finally come to terms and the GOP just threw a giant, rusty wrench into the works. And probably made the Us a bigger thereat than it already was, because of recent events.
Religion and politics are dangerous. Muslims (ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Iran), Judaism (Israel) and Protestant Christianity (United States). Well, all three faiths have their own equivalent of "the end days" and they are certainly striving to head in that direction.
What's next, passing a resolution, including providing US troops, to clear Temple Mount to build a new temple and to expand the borders of Israel so it includes all of the "Promised Land", now held by parts of present day Lebanon, Jordan, Syria and Egypt? And to adopt Christian Zionism as the new US mantra?
It took 36 years for the US and Iran to finally come to terms and the GOP just threw a giant, rusty wrench into the works. And probably made the Us a bigger thereat than it already was, because of recent events.
Religion and politics are dangerous. Muslims (ISIS, Saudi Arabia, Iran), Judaism (Israel) and Protestant Christianity (United States). Well, all three faiths have their own equivalent of "the end days" and they are certainly striving to head in that direction.
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"It took 36 years for the US and Iran to finally come to terms and the GOP just threw a giant, rusty wrench into the works. And probably made the Us a bigger thereat than it already was, because of recent events."
If pointing out that Presidential agreements can be undone by a subsequent POTUS is a threat, then this agreement should go the way of all Obama's lines in the sand.
If pointing out that Presidential agreements can be undone by a subsequent POTUS is a threat, then this agreement should go the way of all Obama's lines in the sand.
For whatever reason, I have yet to see some news outlet, either in print or on the Internet, print the names of all the Senators who signed this letter. Yes, I know, I read the letter and saw all the signatures, but even a handwriting expert could decipher more than a few of them.
Not to mention that if the signees had the courage of their convictions, their names in print would have appeared below their signatures.
Not to mention that if the signees had the courage of their convictions, their names in print would have appeared below their signatures.
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"... the names of all the Senators who signed this letter."
See Sen. Cotton's senate web site:
http://www.cotton.senate.gov/content/cotton-and-46-fellow-senators-send-...
See Sen. Cotton's senate web site:
http://www.cotton.senate.gov/content/cotton-and-46-fellow-senators-send-...
From Politico, a list of Republicans who did NOT sign:
"Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Dan Coats of Indiana, Thad Cochran of Mississippi, Susan Collins of Maine, Bob Corker of Tennessee, Jeff Flake of Arizona and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska."
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/republican-senators-iran-open-lett...
"Lamar Alexander of Tennessee, Dan Coats of Indiana, Thad Cochran of Mississippi, Susan Collins of Maine, Bob Corker of Tennessee, Jeff Flake of Arizona and Lisa Murkowski of Alaska."
http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/republican-senators-iran-open-lett...
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Both CNN and the Washington Post did. A simple google search will get it to you.
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Having read the letter--twice, as I couldn't believe my eyes the first time--I am shaken to my core. This is so far beyond audacious, appalling, egregious, etc: this is treason and/or sedition, and possibly the 21st century Fort Sumpter. Our country as we knew it is gone.
Either prosecute them, or let them seceed and, this time, go their own way.
Either prosecute them, or let them seceed and, this time, go their own way.
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The idea that the Senate presents that they can be elected to unlimited 6 years terms, should raise a flag with everyone. Effectively, the Senate has said we hold the power in the United States and the president is a figurehead. The idea the House agrees with the Senate, means GOP Congress leaders are under the false notion that they control the Us government; exclusively. This is a very dangerous precedent.
Like him or hate him, Mr. Obama is President of the United States. Congress gave an oath to defend the US Constitution and recognizes the president as head of state.
The 47 signatures affixed to this letter effectively violates the US Constitution, various legal precedents and rules of the Senate. They can be held in contempt of Congress and be forced to resign. Some have used the word "treason"; they have not crossed that line. They only cross that line when they start to say that the military is under their control.
As fro Iran, I agree with their foreign minister, with the current political climate in Washington; the US government cannot be trusted now, could not eb trusted fro teh past 36 years and could not be truste din 1979.
Like him or hate him, Mr. Obama is President of the United States. Congress gave an oath to defend the US Constitution and recognizes the president as head of state.
The 47 signatures affixed to this letter effectively violates the US Constitution, various legal precedents and rules of the Senate. They can be held in contempt of Congress and be forced to resign. Some have used the word "treason"; they have not crossed that line. They only cross that line when they start to say that the military is under their control.
As fro Iran, I agree with their foreign minister, with the current political climate in Washington; the US government cannot be trusted now, could not eb trusted fro teh past 36 years and could not be truste din 1979.
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When we are upset with our legislators and want to vote them all out and bring in new ones, and they are with less seasoned experience, some of the finer points are lost. The fact that Republicans thought they had to inform Iran about our process, but could not talk first with the President to test their assumptions, shows how green much of our congress is. Add to that the venom of partisan distrust, and we have a real problem. And the fact that some readers do not see the importance of why this is problematic shows a huge ignorance of the place and importance of smart diplomacy. No wonder we keep getting into war.
I am sure that if the Democrats had sent a letter such as this during a Republican presidency, we would hear howling like we have not heard from the Republicans.
I am sure that if the Democrats had sent a letter such as this during a Republican presidency, we would hear howling like we have not heard from the Republicans.
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Sadly there was a chance just last November to vote a lot of these uninformed, foolish, and therefore dangerous legislators out of office, but those who turned out to vote, voted them in, and the rest of the populace now has to endure their incompetency.
I hope those who stay home on election day rethink their choicenext time. Sure, we live in very imperfect times, but while we still have some rights, we should exercise them and promote some people who know a little history and have some knowledge of civics, how our government is supposed to work, not how Fox interprets our founding documents.
I hope those who stay home on election day rethink their choicenext time. Sure, we live in very imperfect times, but while we still have some rights, we should exercise them and promote some people who know a little history and have some knowledge of civics, how our government is supposed to work, not how Fox interprets our founding documents.
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There's more howling than ever before J.G. On all sides. US(all political parties), Russia, China, etc. Read on...
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The GOP gets rewarded by voters for bad behavior as evident by midterm elections. What incentive GOP has to change? The voters get what they voted for.
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There is NO POINT in voting if we do not have viable choices.
That's why voter turnout is so low.
We need to fix this huge threat to Democracy NOW!
That's why voter turnout is so low.
We need to fix this huge threat to Democracy NOW!
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I doubt if many voters would advocate such unprecedented and dangerous behavior on the parts of our elected officials of either party. The GOP ALWAYS misreads the electorate, as they seem to think that once elected they can do whatever they want. The new congressional leaders are too inexperienced to make decent choices, but when you have the old guard going along with it, something is terribly wrong, and they should all be recalled, as there is no good reason to have our domestic spats to spill over into the international community so that the world sees there is absolutely respect for the person occupying the Oval Office.
Some voters will always vote for their party, no matter what, but they are not saying they believe in or will go along with whatever their party should decide to do, especially if it endangers the country. Recent acts by the Republicans in breaking with long-held protocol and then writing this egregious letter to the leaders in Iran is endorsed by very few. and those who do endorse it do so because they hate President Obama, and would not have gone along with it had the same been done against George W. Bush.
Some voters will always vote for their party, no matter what, but they are not saying they believe in or will go along with whatever their party should decide to do, especially if it endangers the country. Recent acts by the Republicans in breaking with long-held protocol and then writing this egregious letter to the leaders in Iran is endorsed by very few. and those who do endorse it do so because they hate President Obama, and would not have gone along with it had the same been done against George W. Bush.
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Correct! This is what happens when only 36% of the electorate bothers to vote and the right wing counts it as a "mandate".
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Definition of treason: "A violation of allegiance to one's sovereign or to one's state." ... In regards to the GOP senators' seeking to undermine President Obama's negotiations with Iran, that pretty well sums it up. Their actions should result in censure and removal from office.
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I believe the condition that freshman Senator Cotton suffers is known technically as Premature Documentation, or PD. It is common among adolescents seeing their first action.
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I think the president and democrats set the tone with unprecedented unilateral actions to filibustering to fit their purpose, ramming through legislation with no input and levels of presidential power abuse that are the most egregious in history. We have a president who is trying to mark his legacy by doing at least a few things he promised...all while killing the middle class, stirring class and race warfare and endangering the world.
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Sorry...what film have you been watching? Who has been filibustering what for the past 6 years?
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You are a bold faced liar. The decline of the middle class, the economy and wars began with George W. Bush. That you should try to lay these ineptly handled issues at President Obama's door when he is merely trying to fix the mess begun by the GOP is the height of craziness! I do see that you belong to the right party, however!
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"The decline of the middle class, the economy and wars began with George W. Bush."
You really need to check when the total wealth of the middle class began its decline (1973).
You really need to check when the total wealth of the middle class began its decline (1973).
Republicans have made Bibi Netanyahu commander-in-chief of our military because the one we elected is a member of the wrong race and party. The only reason Republicans idolize Winston Churchill is because they need a war hero and Franklin Roosevelt was a Democrat. Every time Republicans have controlled the White House they have inflicted devastating damage to this country. It will take more than a generation to recover from the Bush Rampage.
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The U.S. Supreme Court put Bush in office over hanging chads.
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"Democrats say that as concerned as they are about an emerging deal with Iran, Republicans’ extraordinary moves to undermine Mr. Obama’s efforts to reach an agreement are weakening their resolve to cross party lines and challenge their own president."
Your writers omitted one key word. It should read:
Democrats say that as concerned as they are about an emerging deal with Iran, Republicans’ extraordinary moves to undermine Mr. Obama’s efforts to reach a BAD agreement are weakening their resolve to cross party lines and challenge their own president.
If Democrats are truly concerned about Obama agreeing to a BAD deal with the Iranian regime, a deal which would be of historic importance in jeopardizing US security, then "Republican extraordinary moves" to block such a deal should be of little manner.
I think that many of these Democrats fear confronting Obama due to Obama's unsavory technique of intimidation. One need look no further than the despicable persecution of Bob Menendez. Intimidation works.
Your writers omitted one key word. It should read:
Democrats say that as concerned as they are about an emerging deal with Iran, Republicans’ extraordinary moves to undermine Mr. Obama’s efforts to reach a BAD agreement are weakening their resolve to cross party lines and challenge their own president.
If Democrats are truly concerned about Obama agreeing to a BAD deal with the Iranian regime, a deal which would be of historic importance in jeopardizing US security, then "Republican extraordinary moves" to block such a deal should be of little manner.
I think that many of these Democrats fear confronting Obama due to Obama's unsavory technique of intimidation. One need look no further than the despicable persecution of Bob Menendez. Intimidation works.
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Our allies disagree.
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"Democratic sponsors of that bill reacted angrily and said that Republicans were politicizing diplomacy..."
This is much more than "politicizing." It is an act of treachery, an act that merits condemnation. It clearly weakens America by destroying the trust required for good faith negotiating and bargaining.
This is much more than "politicizing." It is an act of treachery, an act that merits condemnation. It clearly weakens America by destroying the trust required for good faith negotiating and bargaining.
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As Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanhayu cogently explained, the negotiations with Iran are leading to a very bad deal that is worse than no deal. Leaving Iranian nuclear facilities intact and establishing a sunset provision for any agreement is tantamount to giving a blessing to Iran, the world's biggest supporter of terrorism, becoming a nuclear power. Under the U.S. Constitution, the Senate has the power of advise and consent, and that is what the 47 Senate Republicans are reminding Iran's leadership. The Democrat complaint here is nonsense. If the Senate Republican letter does undermine present ill-considered negotiations, that is a good thing.
Democratic. Reprehensible intrusions on foreign policy. Un-American.
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You don't seem to understand that Iran is the adversary. Forty seven Republican senators just provided them with "aid and comfort". The Iranians now know (as who does not?) that they needn't negotiate in good faith, with the US because the US isn't negotiating in good faith. I believe those forty-seven Republican senators should be charged with treason.
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And you would take the word of a foreign leader who have been proven wrong twice before in Iraq and Iran against your own President and Secretary of State; Oh sorry, I thought you were American.
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Given that the GOP has put the world on notice that the USA does not honor it prior agreements, the USA should be removed from the Iran negotiations and also removed from the UN Security Council. After all, the GOP is saying that no agreement of any US Administration will be honored by any subsequent administration.
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You would approve of this logic: If everyone lived his or her life exactly like Jesus lived his life, the world would be a beautiful place!
I don't know about legalities of treaties and constitutional law. But I do know about security. I would much rather have an agreement with Iran that enables inspections, export of uranium, vast reduction of centrifuges, and a possibility of slow normalization of relations than the alternative. The alternative is no inspectors, collapse of international agreement on sanctions, and a greater pace of enrichment, not to mention continued animosity.
In short, these Republicans are thwarting the President's effort to keep me and my family and my country safe. It is an imperfect deal, but also an imperfect world. We must make our best effort to defend the United States against its enemies.
I don't know the correct legal term for people who cater to foreign leaders, disrespect our President, and strengthen our enemy's ability to attack us. I don't think the legal term matters.
In short, these Republicans are thwarting the President's effort to keep me and my family and my country safe. It is an imperfect deal, but also an imperfect world. We must make our best effort to defend the United States against its enemies.
I don't know the correct legal term for people who cater to foreign leaders, disrespect our President, and strengthen our enemy's ability to attack us. I don't think the legal term matters.
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We should just invade and when we find there's nothing there say "Mission Accomplished".
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The liberals frequently refer to the Republicans' letter as treason. Are they telling the country that contradicting Obama openly is treasonous?
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"18 US Code § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
I copied this from Brad Arnolds post in case you did not take time to read it. Contradicting the president is not treasonous unless you make it a point to contact a foreign government. I guess the next thing the Republicans will do is write to Putin and commend him on his annexation of Crimea.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
I copied this from Brad Arnolds post in case you did not take time to read it. Contradicting the president is not treasonous unless you make it a point to contact a foreign government. I guess the next thing the Republicans will do is write to Putin and commend him on his annexation of Crimea.
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No, you can criticize the President's actions, but to effectively negotiate with a foreign government may be treasonous under a very old law call The Logan Act signed into law in 1799 by President John Adams. The law forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments. The Act was intended to prohibit unauthorized US Citizens from interfering in relations between the United States and foreign governments. While one may argue that a letter from 47 senators is not a negotiation, it is clearly interfering with our foreign relations with Iran. The letter enables and empowers the Iranians to walk away from the negotiations. I suppose what most disturbing is a trend by Republicans to believe that are justified in breaking protocol, precedents and the law because they don't believe the President is right on policy. They are entitled to their own opinions, but not to their own facts. The constitution and the Logan Act do not allow for these actions by these Republicans. If you want to be President then get yourself elected!!!!!!!!
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I beleive the issue is that a large group of opposing politicians went behind the presiden't back to threaten a foreign leader with not honoring an agreement in the future. They are potentially threatening any agreement the US makes now, and in the future, with any foreign leader, by stating they won't honor it in the future.
I'm not personally ready to call it treason, but threatening to ignore foreign diploamcy is bad for the whole USA.
Reducing this issue to republican's opposing the president is being disengenuous.
I'm not personally ready to call it treason, but threatening to ignore foreign diploamcy is bad for the whole USA.
Reducing this issue to republican's opposing the president is being disengenuous.
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McCain just last week, because of the Hillary "scandal" du jour, mentioned that he doesn't personally use email because it keeps him from sending off poorly-conceived messages that he'll regret later.
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Oh, please! McCain probably doesn't use e-mail because he is not comfortable
with the "advanced" technology. I respect him, but the statement makes no
sense; you are, I would say, less likely to regret a carefully composed written
communication than a spontaneous oral comment. The problem with email,
perhaps, is that there is a record.
with the "advanced" technology. I respect him, but the statement makes no
sense; you are, I would say, less likely to regret a carefully composed written
communication than a spontaneous oral comment. The problem with email,
perhaps, is that there is a record.
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That was LIndsay Graham BTW.
The 47 US Senate Republicans who signed that letter are criminals, and ought to be prosecuted to the full extent of the law. If there was any doubt in people's minds that the Republican party has crossed the line between partisanship to treason, this example ought to put it to rest.
18 US Code § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
18 US Code § 953. Private correspondence with foreign governments.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
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this wasn't a private correspondence?
One of the reasons why this and the invitation to Bibi are so disturbing is that the Senate, traditionally the body of decorum, order and bi-partisan respect has jumped the shark and gone the way of the Republican House of Representatives. This latest stunt and that's what it is, demeaning, demoralizing and childish.
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Until now I was unaware that the checks and balances between the branches of government --in this case the Executive and Legislative--meant members of the Senate could correspond with a country to protest the President negotiating a diplomatic solution. In a word, despicable.
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Perhaps Speaker John Boehner and Majority Leader McConnell will extend an invitation to a former Constitutional Law scholar professor who was a President of the Harvard Law Review to teach a class or lead a seminar on the relative roles of the Executive and Legislative Branch with respect to foreign policy, diplomacy, national security and defense. Provided that person had also been elected and served as a member of the U.S. Senate and as President of the United States of America.
Who?
Who?
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What happens when all three branches of government increase in power at the same time? "It happens every spring."
Congress people have been making speaches and writing stupid letters since the beginning. Iran needs this deal more than we and sign no matter what. Get over it.
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Explain, please, how it is that Iran is in the weaker position. Because I don't see it.
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I don't think there is precedent for members of one party of Congress to unilaterally write a letter to another country in the midst of negotiations. This clearly is meant to put the short term political interests of the GOP ahead of the interests of the country, and to make it even more difficult for bipartisanship.
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Bipartisanship is an oxymoron. Two conflicting ideologies cannot live(figurative and literal) on both sides of the fence; doesn't matter how much money or power you think you have. You can only visit.
What I find puzzling is that every other day the Republicans come out and talk about one more thing that the President is not empowered to do, yet close to half of the Republican Party is running to be the Republican presidential nominee. What am I missing here ?
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Hard to tell what you are missing. Perhaps logic would be a plus. I suspect that you would be for whatever Obama says is good. Oddly there are people that disagree. That is why consultation with those skeptics would be a good thing. Just saying.
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I think Stevieray is saying that if, on the one hand, Republicans are saying the President has very little power, but, on the other hand, Republicans are anxious to have a Republican President, why would they care if the position of President has very little power?
Just sayin' what?
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President Obama put the Republicans in a box. It is dark inside and the Republicans do not see what is going on outside the box and so the irrational behavior. The Republicans are getting frustrated not finding the winnable issues to fight the democrats and so resorted to throwing darts in the dark and inflicting on themselves.
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The Repubs put themselves in a box, Kodali.
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Interesting. The only fact you post is that Republicans are frustrated. I think that is probably a fact. The rest is just disconnected non-sequiturs.
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They are in a box because of their narrow ideology, obstructionist attitudes and borderline overt racism. They are in a box, because many of them are out of touch with reality and are incompetent.
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Wow. This is quite a set of comments. I wonder how may of your posters actually read the letter. US constitutional law requires Senate ratification of international Treaties. Its hard for me to see how a significant number of Senators reminding us and a foreign government of that fact, is a 'crime', 'sedition', 'treason', etc when President BHO is trying to cut an international agreement in a manner that ducks any need to submit it to the Senate for treaty ratification because he doesn't call it a treaty.
If whatever deal President BHO is trying to cut were called a 'Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty' with Iran, would that be a little clearer to those foaming at the mouth? I guess the Senate, co-equal branch of the Federal government, should just go sit in the corner and shut up. Perhaps we might see different comments if the President was an evil Republican, and the Senate majority were virtuous Democrats....
Then we might be told that an Imperial Executive was running amok.....
If whatever deal President BHO is trying to cut were called a 'Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty' with Iran, would that be a little clearer to those foaming at the mouth? I guess the Senate, co-equal branch of the Federal government, should just go sit in the corner and shut up. Perhaps we might see different comments if the President was an evil Republican, and the Senate majority were virtuous Democrats....
Then we might be told that an Imperial Executive was running amok.....
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Lindros
Do we need to see the contents in order to make any judgment on republican protocol? Don't you think their actions are out of order? Is there any justification for them sabotaging the President? How many Presidents does the USA have at a time?
Do we need to see the contents in order to make any judgment on republican protocol? Don't you think their actions are out of order? Is there any justification for them sabotaging the President? How many Presidents does the USA have at a time?
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Tell us, when did this become a treaty?
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Try reading the Logan Act and the definition of sedition. No senators have ever done such a thing before, and trying to sabotage delicate negotiations with several world powers to reduce nuclear arms to war mongering. The president's name is President Barack Obama, by the way.
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Senatorial oath of office:
"Oath of Office
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."
So, besides being in violation of the Logan Act, these 47 also broke their 'solem oath/affirmation".
"Oath of Office
I do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter: So help me God."
So, besides being in violation of the Logan Act, these 47 also broke their 'solem oath/affirmation".
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This nefarious bunch of crypto-facists who control the grande olde party committ treason on a regular basis so they coudn't care less about the Logan act, their solemn oath or their allegiance to their country; they're quite similar to their counterparts in the Soviet Union. Impeachable,dispicable and unconscienable.
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. . .warranting the ultimate punishment -- censure, recall, jail.
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While I have not always been totally supportive of our President, I have had the utmost respect for his calm, mature demeanor, and the dignity with which he conducts the affairs of office, despite the disrespect repeatedly shown him by republicans.
From the beginning of his tenure, republicans publicly vowed to thwart his administration at every turn. The invitation to Netanyahu was a real slap in the face to President Obama. Just this past wk., Mitch McConnell called on all state governments to defy the EPA - ignore it. Now this egregious attempt to sabotage his authority to conduct critical negotiations that might possibly avoid another war. That's a slap in all our faces including our allies who joined us in these negotiations.
Mr. President, it's time to take the gloves off - way past time. We have real enemies right here at home that need to be dealt with - 47 of them. This must not go unanswered.
From the beginning of his tenure, republicans publicly vowed to thwart his administration at every turn. The invitation to Netanyahu was a real slap in the face to President Obama. Just this past wk., Mitch McConnell called on all state governments to defy the EPA - ignore it. Now this egregious attempt to sabotage his authority to conduct critical negotiations that might possibly avoid another war. That's a slap in all our faces including our allies who joined us in these negotiations.
Mr. President, it's time to take the gloves off - way past time. We have real enemies right here at home that need to be dealt with - 47 of them. This must not go unanswered.
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Absolutely correct. I'd suggest 47 prison cots for this treasonous bunch of Republican Senators.
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"While I have not always been totally supportive of our President . . .".
Name one of those instances where you have not been totally supportive of this President please.
Name one of those instances where you have not been totally supportive of this President please.
I agree with this. Senator Cotton should be charged with a violation of the Logan Act and should face arrest. I do not believe that the Speech and Debate Clause immunizes a violation of that statute because the Constitution itself makes clear that the President has the power to engage in diplomatic negotiations with foreign powers and does not give Congress any authority to insert itself into the negotiations. The Senate has the power to ratify or not ratify a treaty, not negotiate treaties and not to interfere with the conduct of our foreign affairs.
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Well, the Republicans have had majorities in both Houses of Congress for a little less than three months now. In that time they have almost shut down the government (again), invited a foreign leader to address Congress for no other reason that to upset the elected two term president and now this. This evidently is their idea of "governing".
Good job! Looking forward to another Democrat being elected in 2016, both Houses going back to the Democrats and the Republicans continuing their march to being roughly the equivalent of the KKK after the Civil War. Let them keep at it! The Democrats couldn't do a better job if they tried!
Good job! Looking forward to another Democrat being elected in 2016, both Houses going back to the Democrats and the Republicans continuing their march to being roughly the equivalent of the KKK after the Civil War. Let them keep at it! The Democrats couldn't do a better job if they tried!
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"roughly the equivalent of the KKK after the Civil war."
Perfectly phrased, Lou.
Perfectly phrased, Lou.
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In so many ways Democrats have brought this on themselves and the decent Americans that they represent. When the controlled the Congress, they maintain a disgusting style of appeasement that no reasonable person would have embraced. Conservatives have crossed the line on just about everything. Yet Democrats just keep trying to please them. Obama should do the agreement and let it develop on its own. Americans can't look to conservatives for a solution on Iran. If they have one, where is it.
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Actually the real truth is American's can't look to conservatives for a solution on ANYTHING. They despise government and their sole intention is do nothing but serve as a foil to any government action and enrich themselves in the process. They are the anti-government. We are seeing the results: dysfunction, obstruction, obfuscation, war, incompetence, economic catastrophe, corruption.. your republican party in a nutshell. "Nutshell"... how appropriate.
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The democrats and presidents actions over the past 5.5 years removed all lines of common decency. After learning the back-handed tricks of the trade from the democrats, the republicans are now following suit.
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The republican "solution" to Iran is another war in the mid east. Let their sons be drafted.
I think it is absolutely necessary to prosecute the Republican Senators who signed this letter under the Logan Act, for their illegal involvement in foreign affairs. The Logan Act is quite clear, and the letter signers violation of it is equally clear. They wrote a letter to a foreign power in order to influence that foreign power in a controversy with the United States.
The Logan Act calls for fines and/or imprisonment for three years. Since this unified borderline treasonous illegal activity comes directly on the heels of the House pretending like its the Executive Branch in inviting a foreign leader to speak behind the President's back - it is obvious that the Republican led Congress intends to continuously attempt to usurp the powers of the executive branch, and violate our constitutional separation of powers and federal statute. This can only be stopped with a strong response. All convicted signers to the letter should be fined to the maximum, as well as imprisoned in a federal maximum security prison and released among the general prison population.
Moreover, due to the likelyhood of repeat offenses and further embarrassment to our nation, it is imperative that the Senators be held without bail until such time as their trials.
If our own federal Congress is allowed to damagingly violate of federal law, how can these so-called "law makers", who are really "law violators", expect any respect for any laws they may pass.
The Logan Act calls for fines and/or imprisonment for three years. Since this unified borderline treasonous illegal activity comes directly on the heels of the House pretending like its the Executive Branch in inviting a foreign leader to speak behind the President's back - it is obvious that the Republican led Congress intends to continuously attempt to usurp the powers of the executive branch, and violate our constitutional separation of powers and federal statute. This can only be stopped with a strong response. All convicted signers to the letter should be fined to the maximum, as well as imprisoned in a federal maximum security prison and released among the general prison population.
Moreover, due to the likelyhood of repeat offenses and further embarrassment to our nation, it is imperative that the Senators be held without bail until such time as their trials.
If our own federal Congress is allowed to damagingly violate of federal law, how can these so-called "law makers", who are really "law violators", expect any respect for any laws they may pass.
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It's too bad they can't be prosecuted for stupidity.
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Whether you agree with what President Obama does or not in foreign policy or otherwise, this letter is a shameful act by Senator Cotton and his Republican colleagues. It is shameful to try to usurp the constitutional authority of the President to conduct international relations and negotiations on behalf of the country. Even if you object to Obama's policies and choices, he is the duly elected and authorized President of all Americans. This letter is a sophomoric act that disrespects not just the man, but the very institution of the Office of the U.S. President. That the author, Tom Cotton is a lawyer and graduate of the Harvard Law School, makes the act all the more reprehensible.
Back to class Senator Cotton, you've obviously missed some important reading. U.S. v. Curtiss-Wright Export Co., 299 U.S. 304, 319 (1936); 18 U.S.C. section 953.
Back to class Senator Cotton, you've obviously missed some important reading. U.S. v. Curtiss-Wright Export Co., 299 U.S. 304, 319 (1936); 18 U.S.C. section 953.
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The president has been usurping powers since he took office. The case you site is not relevant here.
I'm afraid the problem is so much deeper than that, as it's fundamentally a problem of character. So more schooling is not going to help Mr. Cotton in this area.
I heard in the media that this letter was written in large part by the VERY junior senator from Arkansas, Tom Cotton. His arrogance and sense of self-righteous superiority over the rest of us "little People" here in Arkansas and elsewhere apparently knows no bounds. As an Arkansas, I apologize for my state elevating him to a level that he is clearly not prepared for, much less suited to. He has no business being in Washington, and indeed, wouldn't be unless he had kowtowed and sold his soul to the Koch Brothers and their ilk at the infamous Oceanside confab in the campaign run-up to the 2016 elections.
His presence in Washington will be a continuing embarrassment to all Arkansans, whether they realize it or not. Unfortunately he won't be happy just tanking senate business, but will apparently insist in muddying the waters wherever he can throw a rock into the water. We once sent greats to the senate like Fulbright and Bumpers. Now we send "bought and paid for hacks" like Cotton.
His presence in Washington will be a continuing embarrassment to all Arkansans, whether they realize it or not. Unfortunately he won't be happy just tanking senate business, but will apparently insist in muddying the waters wherever he can throw a rock into the water. We once sent greats to the senate like Fulbright and Bumpers. Now we send "bought and paid for hacks" like Cotton.
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As someone who lives in NC, where our new GOP Senator just suggested that employee hand washing is optional, I sympathize. Ironically Thad Cochran of Mississippi was one of the only southern senators not to sign the letter.
It's a pretty said day when Mississippi has a senator displaying more statesmanship than the senators North Carolina and Arkansas.
It's a pretty said day when Mississippi has a senator displaying more statesmanship than the senators North Carolina and Arkansas.
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To: razorbacker1
Dear Arkansan:
Thank you for the sentiment and for the writing; but realize that you are not alone. Every State in the Union seems to have hacked up an astronomical number of hair balls and they've all migrated to Congress. Now that's a migration I'd really like to put an end to!
Judging by the hackery, quackery, and bribery readily observable in Congress, every State has a lot to be ashamed of for the slime that we collectively sent to Washington. So don't take it too hard; you are not alone!
It is clear that our Republic is in the toilet thanks in large measure to the systemic corruption of our system of election campaign bribery. Maybe if we get this country back on track with publicly funded campaign financing reform, we can sweep out the Aegean stables and get our representation functional again. I hope so.
Dear Arkansan:
Thank you for the sentiment and for the writing; but realize that you are not alone. Every State in the Union seems to have hacked up an astronomical number of hair balls and they've all migrated to Congress. Now that's a migration I'd really like to put an end to!
Judging by the hackery, quackery, and bribery readily observable in Congress, every State has a lot to be ashamed of for the slime that we collectively sent to Washington. So don't take it too hard; you are not alone!
It is clear that our Republic is in the toilet thanks in large measure to the systemic corruption of our system of election campaign bribery. Maybe if we get this country back on track with publicly funded campaign financing reform, we can sweep out the Aegean stables and get our representation functional again. I hope so.
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Obama is playing a duplicitous game with the Iranians. He is is ignoring the Constitution by attempting to negotiate this treaty without submitting it to the US Senate. It is very likely that the Iranians don't understand how this works. All this letter did was deliver the perfectly accurate, 100% truthful message to the Iranians that Obama's agreement may well not survive the Obama administration.
The Iranians' reaction shows how well they know they are about to get over on Obama and they don't want anything to interfere with that.
The Obama administration's response shows that they know that their agreement could not stand scrutiny in the light of day and are thus trying to bully critics into silence.
For all the contempt Obama has shown to the co-equal branch of congress, it's more than a bit hypocritical for them to complain about congressional interference here. Especially because the facts are 100-% on Cotton's side.
The Iranians' reaction shows how well they know they are about to get over on Obama and they don't want anything to interfere with that.
The Obama administration's response shows that they know that their agreement could not stand scrutiny in the light of day and are thus trying to bully critics into silence.
For all the contempt Obama has shown to the co-equal branch of congress, it's more than a bit hypocritical for them to complain about congressional interference here. Especially because the facts are 100-% on Cotton's side.
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I think the Iranians are very aware of how our system works. This is a very flimsy reason. They where absolutely sending a different message.
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Ok so the template is set. In the future, should there ever be a gop prez, dems are allowed to publicly and stupidly criticize every single thing about that prez' foreign policy. Said dems can also appeal directly to the leaders of foreign countries. And can invite any foreign leader to come and lecture that prez. When they do so, gop response will only be on the substance of the appeal. There will be no drivel about treason or patriotism or water's edge. Do I understand you correctly?
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No treaty gets negotiated in the sentate/congress in any country. The executive body signs a treaty which may or may not get ratified by the legislative body. Try to learn a few things first.
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Iran is probably not to be trusted. But then again, neither is Russia or Pakistan or Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia. They all look out for their own interests first. They are all willing to lie to us. But so what? That doesn't mean we can't talk to people or negotiate treaties.
Iran is going to get the nuclear bomb eventually, as most large countries do. The real question is whether we will be on speaking terms with them when that happens. I'd prefer to be on speaking terms and at least delay the inevitable.
What is the alternative? Another pointless war that bankrupts us? And for what? A weakened Iran means a stronger ISIS. I'd far rather deal with a sovereign state than another Syria.
Iran is going to get the nuclear bomb eventually, as most large countries do. The real question is whether we will be on speaking terms with them when that happens. I'd prefer to be on speaking terms and at least delay the inevitable.
What is the alternative? Another pointless war that bankrupts us? And for what? A weakened Iran means a stronger ISIS. I'd far rather deal with a sovereign state than another Syria.
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nor is the Republican caucus.
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If the Judiciary Branch takes action in regard to these Senators, then it will be a huge recovery of US stature in the world.
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Greg
Perhaps you too, like the Iranians, could use a primer on how the US system of government works. The Judiciary Branch does not "take action" to enforce the laws; that is the province of the Executive Branch. To what address should I have Congress send your letter?
Perhaps you too, like the Iranians, could use a primer on how the US system of government works. The Judiciary Branch does not "take action" to enforce the laws; that is the province of the Executive Branch. To what address should I have Congress send your letter?
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Whatever Branch is responsible to protect your Constitution though legal action, I suggest it should act ASAP to mitigate damage to your country's stature around the world.
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It's almost like these senators are trying to form their own nation, break up our union, reverse the outcome of the Civil War. And elect Boehner as their own dysfunctional resident.
It seems like they are trying to seed war in the Middle East, not promote peace.
These misguided hacks need to be reprimanded publicly, then impeached.
It seems like they are trying to seed war in the Middle East, not promote peace.
These misguided hacks need to be reprimanded publicly, then impeached.
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What about the possible reactions of the 5 other countries that have been involved in the negotiations with Iran? They have undoubtedly counted on the United States as a serious partner in the negotiations and must now feel left in the lurch by the 47 senators' interference. Perhaps the senators in their infinite wisdom could send letters to those countries as well to question their foreign policy decisions.
Why are the Democrats not insisting that the United States is not proceeding in a unilateral vacuum in these talks? Why are the Democrats not pointing out that
the Republican letter is also disruptive of relations with allies and adversaries that are every bit as important ( if not more so) as Netanyahu's Israel in maintaining world order?
Why are the Democrats not insisting that the United States is not proceeding in a unilateral vacuum in these talks? Why are the Democrats not pointing out that
the Republican letter is also disruptive of relations with allies and adversaries that are every bit as important ( if not more so) as Netanyahu's Israel in maintaining world order?
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If you want the US to be a serious partner then you must subject any agreement to the US Senate. Otherwise it's just a bunch of words on paper that any future president --or Barack Obama himself, for that matter-- can repudiate at will.
I just wish Iran will go ahead and build the bomb. They cannot threaten the USA in any way. The whole world knows how lethal the USA is.
Not true. You can't just make up the rules as you go among.
"I regret that this partisan and nutty behavior makes people focus on politics and not the substance.” - Tim Kaine
If Republicans focused on substance it would require them to govern. They do not want to govern, and they cannot stand the idea that the country has chosen to twice elect a black man as president and commander in chief.
Tom Cotton is a meglomaniac who answers to ALEC instead of his constituents, and believes that all answers can be found within the military industrial complex. Like Dick Cheney, he simply wants us all to be scared so that he can protect us from the boogie man.
If Republicans focused on substance it would require them to govern. They do not want to govern, and they cannot stand the idea that the country has chosen to twice elect a black man as president and commander in chief.
Tom Cotton is a meglomaniac who answers to ALEC instead of his constituents, and believes that all answers can be found within the military industrial complex. Like Dick Cheney, he simply wants us all to be scared so that he can protect us from the boogie man.
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Are you kidding? Obama is trying to jam this agreement through without anyone getting to read it first. This is strikingly like Obamacare, and yet another example of how Progressives disdain this country's institutions. Anyone who loves America and respects its institutions would demand that any agreement with the Iranians be subject to Senate approval. Anyone who thinks this isn't necessary, frankly, hates America.
Would you for God's sake wise up? "Agreements" are not within the purview of the Senate.
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In other words, if anyone disagrees with you then they hate America?
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Senators Rubio, Paul and Cruz signed this letter. All are possible candidates for President in 2016.
This letter makes clear that voters need to know from the other GOP candidates and Mrs. Clinton whether they share the view presented in this letter and whether if elected President that they would disavow any nuclear deal reached by the U.S., Great Britain, Russia, France and China with Iran.
How can Iran and these other nations negotiate with the U.S. on a pact that would be broken by the next President "with the stroke of a pen?"
The other candidates need to make their positions known now.
This letter makes clear that voters need to know from the other GOP candidates and Mrs. Clinton whether they share the view presented in this letter and whether if elected President that they would disavow any nuclear deal reached by the U.S., Great Britain, Russia, France and China with Iran.
How can Iran and these other nations negotiate with the U.S. on a pact that would be broken by the next President "with the stroke of a pen?"
The other candidates need to make their positions known now.
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Secretary Clinton denounced the treasonous letter at the news conference where she was addressing the faux email outrage from the crazy pants party of seditious traitors.
The responsibility of any President of the United States is to unite Americans and promote bipartisan solutions to the country's problems. President Obama has done the opposite. His legacy is historic divisiveness and government dysfunction.
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No, the responsibility of any President of the United States is to work for the benefit of Americans. That includes healthcare, equal rights, well paid jobs, a safety net for those in distress, a functioning government, improving education, research, and technology as well as infrastructure. He is also responsible for conducting foreign affairs and not embroiling the country in expensive futile wars where American lives are thrown away unnecessarily. Pres. Obama has lowered unemployment from the 4.4 million jobs lost during Pres. Bush's last year in office, and he ended Bush's disastrous war in Iraq.
Republicans have an irrational hatred of the first black president. Pres. Obama was twice elected by the majority of Americans, and his views are more in keeping with theirs. Republicans represent red state, backward goals and relatively few people.
Republicans have an irrational hatred of the first black president. Pres. Obama was twice elected by the majority of Americans, and his views are more in keeping with theirs. Republicans represent red state, backward goals and relatively few people.
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You're only trying to convince yourselves at this point. Time and again, we've seen the same tired two-step from the GOP: State their demand, pledge no concessions at all will be forthcoming, then chide the President for not capitulating... er, "promoting bipartisan solutions." Pure doublespeak, sophistry, and nonsense.
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If only President Obama had a reasonable partner with which to seek bipartisan solutions. Republicans have offered only opposition and contempt for this President since Day 1 of his first term. The GOP's legacy -- to quote your own analysis -- "is historic divisiveness and government dysfunction."
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I think the US has crossed a precipice. The nation has not been in crisis like this since the Civil War. In fact, behavior like this can only lead to Civil War. The GOP is really a Neo-Confederate party now.
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Let's just hope we don't blow Reconstruction this time.
I guess it's only me but I repeat myself without regret. These really seemingly hateful Republicans know or should know that Obama's policies and plans are morally and ethically the right way ahead. It's just simple intuition, call it common sense; they can't stand the fact he's a black man accomplishing progressive betterment for the entire world and its peoples. These terrible people are so transparent.
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I agree totally, "how dare a black many tell us anything" It's white privilege rearing it's ugly head.
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I had no problem with the Netanyahu speech but this letter is a bridge to far. I think it is actually illegal. These Senators should be arrested.
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I feel Chief Justice Charles Evans Hughes would feel the same and he was no liberal, but certainly knew the law.
Just a thought, is the media and other elected officials who are not engaged in this act of sedition, staying relatively quiet about this outrageous and foolish act, so as to not shed more light on how grossly incompetent our Congress is? That leaders in Tehran understand the working of our constitution and these negotiations much better then they do. Otherwise, I can not understand why those involved are not being called out for their irresponsible actions, and called out loudly.
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It is all over the media. I don't think this is being ignored at all.
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The Iranian foreign minister says that the US cannot be trusted? That's like the pot calling the kettle black.
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Bill: that's another cop out. We're the kettle to which the world looks, some in hope, some in fear and disgust.
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But isn't it a shame to this nation that we gave him to excuse to say it?
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The Minister might right in this case.
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It's going to be awfully funny during the 2016 Republican primaries to see Cruz, Rubio, and Paul try and defend this letter at the same time making believe they have a clue about foreign policy. "So, if you were negotiating with Vladimir Putin and the Democrats in the Senate wrote him a letter saying he should ignore you ..." Those three little boys just signed themselves out of consideration for national office as lacking even a basic understanding of how the process works.
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Dream on.
As likely as not one will be president some day. Or Cotton, who has already two minths in shown the ambition and scruples of Putin with his seasoned colleagues sheepishly behind him.
Sneering is a beloved democrat speciality that leads to congressional minority with zealots in the majority.
As likely as not one will be president some day. Or Cotton, who has already two minths in shown the ambition and scruples of Putin with his seasoned colleagues sheepishly behind him.
Sneering is a beloved democrat speciality that leads to congressional minority with zealots in the majority.
Are you referring to the democratic minority, filled with zealots? I don't follow you.
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So where is the Special Prosecutor? It's beyond time to hold hearings on the treasonous Republicans. They have disgraced themselves, the Senate, and our country.
We are sick of it. If they are not punished this is just the beginning.
We are sick of it. If they are not punished this is just the beginning.
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The anger over Republican hubris needs to be channeled into action. It is not enough to vote, however critical that remains, but to get others to vote. The only positive way to stop this madness is to rid Congress of madmen, at least as many as possible. The Koch Brothers' money needs to be answered, likewise, with action. This is not merely a dysfunctional government, this is a dangerous government, unprecedented in its malicious ignorance. A silver lining to Boehner's breathtaking insolence is that it should, one hopes, shed fresh light on the power that resides with we the people to reject the ill-conceived and mean-spirited political vandalism of this diseased party.
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This point cannot be over-emphasized. It is about getting out the vote.
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Ironically the written and signed "confession" of untrustworthiness by these US officials is probably the first time in the history of the world that a country has been honest - but to what ends - I shudder to think.
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The 47 Republican senators who sent the letter are traitors to our country. Humiliating and undermining the efforts of an elected president to enact a treaty with a foreign government would be considered treasonous in most countries, and It is just that in ours. They are openly attempting to sabotage our elected President in his capacity of leader of our country to negotiate with foreign governments. These people are traitors. What they have done is treason.
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I agree, but there seems to be no desire to prosecute officials who violate the laws and rules of our nation. By all rights, George Bush and Dick Cheney should have stood in a court of law, defending their decision and guidance in going to war in Iraq based on lies. But President Obama has not taken that road and the result is chaos and disrespect for the office and in Obama's situation, the Republicans blatant disrespect of Obama.
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You hit the nail on the head.
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By the same rules that most over-rated president, Ronald Wilson "Saint" Reagan should have been impeached for his illegal negotiations with Iran and the weapons deal with Iran contras. And Vice President Bush as well.
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This is a tall order but if in fact, they did break the law which it seems to have been, I would like the Republicans who signed that letter to be arrested. Examples need to be made and with everything the Republican party has done to prevent our country from healing from financial and social losses in the guise of politics, I think it is time they be put in their place.
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Break the law? Well, there's just that pesky matter of the First Amendment...
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First amendment does not apply to treason.
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The law, the Logan Act, is clear, and it applies to ALL US citizens, whether they are Senators or not. It is definitely NOT a matter of a First Amendment rights. Do you think that Snowden had a First Amendment right to divulge secrets? By your views, every traitor would get a get-out-of-jail card.
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When did it become shameful to remind the Iranians, the President and apparently a lot of our fellow Americans that the United State operates under a Constitution? A treaty requires two-thirds approval of the Senate. Typically a treaty is used for arms control because treaties are harder to change once approved. If the President and his supporters want an agreement with bipartisan approval, then submit a treaty as the Constitution stipulates. While a treaty carries the greatest weight, past Presidents have also sought Congressional approval for long-term international agreements not labeled treaties. Congressionally-approved agreements need a majority of both Houses rather than two-thirds of the Senate. Either way, any 10-year deal with Iran is less likely to be jettisoned by a future President or Congress if it can withstand Legislative scrutiny.
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This is a clear statement that a near majority of the U.S. Senate is hostile to the chief executive and an open invitation to instransigence. Congress has no business interfering with active diplomacy.
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Because it is not a treaty that is going to be submitted to the senate. Read up on what is going on. Why do you think the senate planned to vote to make sure it got to see any agreement before it is signed by the members of the Security Council? The US is not the only party negotiating in this...such hubris you have.
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It isn't envisioned as a treaty, a binding legal document t that would be extremely difficult to implement. Rather, the Administration, along with five other nations, are seeking to gain an agreement with Iran that would delay, if not scuttle, that nation's ability to manufacture nuclear weapons.
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The 47 Republican senators are in clear violation of the Logan Act. From section 953 of the US Code:
"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
This isn't making use of power in a way that may or may not be found to be Constitutional (that's what the Supreme Court is for). It's a violation of a criminal statue. I hope the US Attorney General will bring charges, if only to send the proper message.
"Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both."
This isn't making use of power in a way that may or may not be found to be Constitutional (that's what the Supreme Court is for). It's a violation of a criminal statue. I hope the US Attorney General will bring charges, if only to send the proper message.
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Clear violation of the logan act... too funny.. ok Mr Attorney general
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Oh don't start relying on facts now Mr. Changstien, Something might fall out of your ears.
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As Senators, can they give themselves the authority of the United States?
If so, the Logan act does not apply.
If so, the Logan act does not apply.
This is just more Punch and Judy political theater that works. That's why the Republicans do it.
Unless and until a Progressive stands up in public and calls them out and is able to resonate with everyday Americans, this nonsense will continue.
So it goes.
Unless and until a Progressive stands up in public and calls them out and is able to resonate with everyday Americans, this nonsense will continue.
So it goes.
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Actually, although I am very opposed to the punitive American policy towards Iran, what the Republicans have done is just what would be natural given their priorities.
And frankly they are all fools. Obama created a completely unnecessary fight with Russia over Ukraine by recognizing an illegal post-coup government in Ukraine. 6000 people are now dead and Ukraine is in shambles. No amount of Putin-bashing will do away with this reality.
America simply does not understand how to respect the priorities of other countries, Obama is not an exception and neither are the Republicans.
They will learn only when they come to realize that the US is only ONE of several powerful players. It needs to learn that it needs to cooperate and act less like a boss.
What does Putin care what the Republicans think? If he decided to help Iran to develop weapons, that would be the end of "the sanctions are working" game.
Mr. Obama, Mr. Boehner, think before it is too late!
And frankly they are all fools. Obama created a completely unnecessary fight with Russia over Ukraine by recognizing an illegal post-coup government in Ukraine. 6000 people are now dead and Ukraine is in shambles. No amount of Putin-bashing will do away with this reality.
America simply does not understand how to respect the priorities of other countries, Obama is not an exception and neither are the Republicans.
They will learn only when they come to realize that the US is only ONE of several powerful players. It needs to learn that it needs to cooperate and act less like a boss.
What does Putin care what the Republicans think? If he decided to help Iran to develop weapons, that would be the end of "the sanctions are working" game.
Mr. Obama, Mr. Boehner, think before it is too late!
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I've been reading the back and forth comments since this letter was sent, and I have to conclude that the media, and many public commenters, don't seem to grasp the enormity of the consequences for peace this controversy has created.
I cannot find one instance in American history when -- in the midst of delicate negotiations with another nation -- Members of Congress stepped into the discussion with an open letter that in effect told the leaders of the other nation not to believe or trust the President of the United States. Even when Henry Cabot Lodge dismantled Woodrow Wilson's dream for the League of Nations, he did not send an open letter to Georges Clemenceau or David Llyod George. He did not undercut Wilson's role and prestige as President.
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would believe or conclude that this letter was necessary, advisable, politic, sensible, or patriotic. I am especially ashamed that my own Senator, Rob Portman, signed the letter. Those who are as appalled as I am should let the Senators who put their name to this letter know that it is a ploy that needs utter rejection.
I cannot find one instance in American history when -- in the midst of delicate negotiations with another nation -- Members of Congress stepped into the discussion with an open letter that in effect told the leaders of the other nation not to believe or trust the President of the United States. Even when Henry Cabot Lodge dismantled Woodrow Wilson's dream for the League of Nations, he did not send an open letter to Georges Clemenceau or David Llyod George. He did not undercut Wilson's role and prestige as President.
I am absolutely amazed that anyone would believe or conclude that this letter was necessary, advisable, politic, sensible, or patriotic. I am especially ashamed that my own Senator, Rob Portman, signed the letter. Those who are as appalled as I am should let the Senators who put their name to this letter know that it is a ploy that needs utter rejection.
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Consider Logan. whose actions prompted the act:
Michael V. Seitzinger (February 1, 2006). "Conducting Foreign Relations Without Authority: The Logan Act" (PDF). Congressional Research Service.
Michael V. Seitzinger (February 1, 2006). "Conducting Foreign Relations Without Authority: The Logan Act" (PDF). Congressional Research Service.
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"I cannot find one instance in American history when ...Members of Congress stepped into the discussion with an open letter that in effect told the leaders of the other nation not to believe or trust the President of the United States."
Why don't you point out for us, with a quote, exactly which part of the letter says that the President should not be trusted? I dare you. It doesn't say that.
Why don't you point out for us, with a quote, exactly which part of the letter says that the President should not be trusted? I dare you. It doesn't say that.
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When it is OBVIOUS that the POTUS is going to try to cut a appeasement deal that will lead directly to Iran making an atomic bomb then I would say that ALL American leaders should be doing everything possible to keep that from happening. Including U.S. Senators signing their names to a letter to Iran letting them know that it is the United States Senate that has SOLE POWER to ratify treaties with foreign countries. Anything less is a betrayal of the public trust.
Just because the POTUS betrays the public trust does not mean every other leader is just supposed to lay down and let it happen without doing anything to oppose it.
Just because the POTUS betrays the public trust does not mean every other leader is just supposed to lay down and let it happen without doing anything to oppose it.
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The 47 Republican senators who sent Iranian authorities a letter warning about making a nuclear agreement with President Obama may not have committed treason (as some people think), but they surely violated a federal law. Consider the 1799 Logan Act, which stipulates the following:
“Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government… in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
Should a case be brought against the Republican senators, then I, for one, would strongly recommend, in lieu of jail time, an apology--and an abject one at that--to the president.
“Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authority of the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government… in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.”
Should a case be brought against the Republican senators, then I, for one, would strongly recommend, in lieu of jail time, an apology--and an abject one at that--to the president.
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Please leave the law to the lawyers. The main problem with your argument is the presence of the phrase "...without authority of the United States..." Note that it does NOT say "without the authority of the President," or "without the authority of the Executive Branch." As Senators, they are arguably acting under "authority of the Unites States."
Now please stop these incessant postings about the Logan Act.
Now please stop these incessant postings about the Logan Act.
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AS I read it, the Senate, let alone a rogue group of individual Senators, does not have the authority for foreign affairs. These individuals did not even pursue a vote in the Senate!!!
AS I read it, the Senate, let alone a rogue group of individual Senators, does not have the authority for foreign affairs. These individuals did not even pursue a vote in the Senate!!!
Huh? Why is the NYT focusing on Democratic reactions rather than the major fact of the GOP letter being an act of sedition under the Logan Act? We citizens are outraged by this action and are circulating an online petition to have the letter signers prosecuted for their illegal and dangerous actions. They are not above the law.
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Republicans: now is just one of many past and future opportunities you all have to say, "Enough!"
I am very left but like everyone I have friends and family and coworkers who are Republicans who I love and trust and believe in. It is your collective time as a group to kick these idiots out of your party. Let them form their own.
We need the Republican party that emphasized efficiency, fiscal restraint, and the willingness to compromise to ensure that we have the functioning government that we all deserve. The Rockefellers, the socially moderate fiscally conservative.
Having these people around your party is like hiring arsonists to be firemen. Time to kick them to the curb.
I am very left but like everyone I have friends and family and coworkers who are Republicans who I love and trust and believe in. It is your collective time as a group to kick these idiots out of your party. Let them form their own.
We need the Republican party that emphasized efficiency, fiscal restraint, and the willingness to compromise to ensure that we have the functioning government that we all deserve. The Rockefellers, the socially moderate fiscally conservative.
Having these people around your party is like hiring arsonists to be firemen. Time to kick them to the curb.
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I don't believe the Democrats ever had any intention of working with the Republicans. This is a smokescreen. They can blame the Republicans for why they're not cooperating or maybe they can get the Republicans to back down. That they were every going to cooperate is disingenuous. It's like a play and the Democrats are all playing a part to cover up their real intent that nothing gets done.
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Check the facts. Dems announced their intention of helping Repubs override a POTUS veto of a sanctions bill. After the Bibi circus, those Dems recoiled in horror.
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The Republicans first demonstrated no interest in any compromises with this President immediately after his first election when they tried to create the appearance of negotiating on healthcare reform but in the end provided no votes for its passage even though Democrats adopted a number of positions that Republicans had earlier advocated, such as the individual mandate (even though most progressives - the natural allies of Democrats - preferred a public option). Their behavior in the intervening years has continued to provide evidence that they do not engage in discussions in good faith, even though the Constitution, which they falsely claim to revere, is premised on a willingness of various factions to negotiate and compromise. That Democrats now call Republicans our for their crass behavior should surprise nobody and only represents the natural reaction to Republicans' perfidy
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I believe it was the leadership of the GOP in House and Senate who met in secret on the night of the Obama inauguration and pledged to oppose any and everything the president proposed during his time in office.
Blaming Democrats for whatever you like does not negate the face that they violated the Logan Act and committed treason. The Dems didn't make them do that.
Blaming Democrats for whatever you like does not negate the face that they violated the Logan Act and committed treason. The Dems didn't make them do that.
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And why exactly isn't every last member of the Senate supporting "Mr. Obama as he searches for a diplomatic solution to the nuclear standoff". What is the alternative? It's has to be war since no one believes that either sanctions or limited strikes will do anything more than slow Iran down if the talks fall apart and it decides to build a nuclear weapon.
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I e-mailed Tom Cotton's office this morning and told him exactly what I thought of his temper tantrum. I encourage other readers to do the same.
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The Republican Party, its elected officials and extremist supporters are so frustrated with -- and consumed by hatred for -- President Obama that they endanger Americans' security. They threaten the prospects for keeping Iran from becoming a nuclear power. They have "upped" their game in efforts to stymie anything the president does, and they think that we voters don't understand their dirty tricks. What a disgrace.
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This is serious. This could be considered a coup attempt. Treasonous at the very least.
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If it walks like sedition and quacks like sedition, it must be sedition.......If only it were a capital offense!
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Actually it is a capital offense, always has been.
There have been many comments, ably expressing my feeling about the Republicans who are undermining the very basis of our democracy. Our only salvation will be to dis-empower them in 2016. We, the People, had better do that, emphatically.
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Of the 47 GOP senators, who signed and sent the letter to Iran's leadership, were the following on board? They are - Richard Shelby, Lisa Murkowski, John Mccain, John Boozman, Marco Rubio, John Isakson, Mike Crapo, Dan Coats, Chuck Grassley, Rand Paul, David Vitter, Roy Blunt, Kelly Ayotte, Richard Burr, John Hoeven, Rob Portman, James Lankford, Pat Toomey, Tim Scott, John Thune, Mike Lee, Ron Johnson, Jerry Moran, Mark Kirk. Their term expires on January 2017. Do they deserve a re-election?
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Absoluetly No. Throw them in the dustbin of history. You can disagree with the president. But done undermine the office of presient in the blind hate of the current occuppant. This behaviour of the republicans are cloaked in racism.
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Murkowski and Coats did NOT sign. So kudos to them.
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Check out their $ receipts from lobbyists at maplight.org.
Truth is this letter allows Iran to walk away and blame the US. Prior to this Iran was the ones who would be painted in a bad light. Not now. Iran can walk away and Russia and China drop sanctions or ignore them and so will the EU. How does that stop Iran from producing WMD?
So if it's war the GOP wants than my next question who is going to fight it? Israel? A nation of 7MM is going to invade and occupy? Use WMD? No, of course not. They are going to outsource the work and casualties to the US.
GOP as abdicated our foreign policy out to Israel. So much for the US having no permanent enemies. Founding fathers have got to rolling over.
So if it's war the GOP wants than my next question who is going to fight it? Israel? A nation of 7MM is going to invade and occupy? Use WMD? No, of course not. They are going to outsource the work and casualties to the US.
GOP as abdicated our foreign policy out to Israel. So much for the US having no permanent enemies. Founding fathers have got to rolling over.
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How is it possible that 47 "distinguished" senators are so full of disrespect that they have chosen to lead their party down the road to destruction?
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They are suffering from the disease of hatred. It blinds them. To the impact they are having on their country, and on their party, and on their own respectability. John McCain should be ashamed. He knows treason when he sees it.
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Just profoundly stupid on the party of the GOP. Why on earth would they jeopardize a near veto-proof majority on Kirk-Menendez? Yes the deal will likely be a bad deal, but both parties in the Senate were, up until this point, aligned in their efforts to be able to review it and, possibly, require their consent.
Unless they really didn't have the necessary veto-proof support, and the Republicans saw this as their only option. Either way, it's a real head-scratcher.
Unless they really didn't have the necessary veto-proof support, and the Republicans saw this as their only option. Either way, it's a real head-scratcher.
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We MUST continue to connect what is happening in the U. S. today to the early years of the Third Reich, where the National Socialists succeeded in removing all other parties from participation. This group believed itself to be a Master Race which should control everything at home and wage endless war abroad. In my view, the ultra-rightists leading the U. S. at this time are their direct descendants. On Iran and other issues, they are willing to ignore the existence of an elected president.
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One could say that because of the actions of the current Republican party, we are lurching towards fascism.
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Unilateral actions are paradoxically a two way street. President Obama decided to try to by-pass the legislative branch relative to immigration reform (still in the courts) and the Congress is now reciprocating. First, by inviting Prime Minister Netanyahu to speak, by-passing normal channels, and now via direct communication with the Iranian government.
What did he expect?
What did he expect?
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He did, however stay firmly within the realm of his defined powers. Congress has not.
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So what's good for the goose is good for the gander? Then what was all the Congressional fuss about? If they want the moral authority to say the president is overstepping his bounds they can't do the same thing!!
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The difference is that Obama bypassed the legislative branch inaction with executive orders, which are well rooted in precedent, and can be reversed by either another executive order or by congressional action. Congressional Republicans, on the other hand, are short-circuiting action by the executive branch in a way that will harm the constitutionally established duty of the executive branch to execute foreign policy. Please don't claim parity when there is none.
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The only good that can come from this Republican stupidity, arrogance and hostility towards the American people is the unification of a coalition against them.
I won't be crying when the Republicans discover they should have been more careful about what they wished for.
I won't be crying when the Republicans discover they should have been more careful about what they wished for.
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Republicans in Congress clearly have neither shame nor conscience!
They don't care what YOU think. They don't care what their Constitutional role is SUPPOSED to be.
At this point, it is crystal clear that they are rogue egomaniacs with an underlying racist motivation speciously cloaked in "patriotism"....and the American people are completely powerless to do anything about it. Heck, something short of HALF of Americans endorse this madness. That's why we're doomed - and there's no other reason.
They don't care what YOU think. They don't care what their Constitutional role is SUPPOSED to be.
At this point, it is crystal clear that they are rogue egomaniacs with an underlying racist motivation speciously cloaked in "patriotism"....and the American people are completely powerless to do anything about it. Heck, something short of HALF of Americans endorse this madness. That's why we're doomed - and there's no other reason.
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hinckley: you are very free with the use of the word "egomaniac". About half this nation would Obama and his administration are egomaniacs, and yet that will be mere name calling and mean absolutely nothing.
In Iran and Russia those who oppose the government pay a price, and not only ridicule. Are you suggesting the Republicans pay the same price, daring to make Obama uncomfortable?
In Iran and Russia those who oppose the government pay a price, and not only ridicule. Are you suggesting the Republicans pay the same price, daring to make Obama uncomfortable?
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There is nothing funny about this letter it is a "high crime" that should be prosecuted.
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I love "unintended consequences". By enraging the Democrats who might have otherwise voted with them, the GOP members made sure that their own stated goal--killing off Iranian American nuclear talks--will fail.
You have to love a politician who shoots himself in the foot. Makes an observer wonder whether it's "playing with the gun" or the "moving toward stated outcome" that GOP legislators prefer.
You have to love a politician who shoots himself in the foot. Makes an observer wonder whether it's "playing with the gun" or the "moving toward stated outcome" that GOP legislators prefer.
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Democrats should stand with the President, or join the other party. Republicans are attempting to assist Iran, in its presumed effort to build nuclear weapons, by undercutting the President's diplomacy. That really scares me.
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The most glaring omission in this discussion is the fact that these negotiations are being conducted on behalf of, not just the US, but the P5+1, an international coalition that can bring the agreement to the UN and probably get it passed in the Security Council. If that happens, it will become an international obligation to observe it, and it won't matter what the next President does. Without the P5+1 any further sanctions against Iran would be meaningless. The only option left to the hardliners in Israel and the United States would be military action against Iran, which would bring international condemnation down on our heads. The Iranians are aware of this, even if Senator Cotton and the Repubs who signed his letter are not.
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So, the dems say the GOP action will weaken their resolve to challenge their own president?? That makes no sense. There never was any will among democrats to challenge Obama; so, how can you weaken something which wasn’t there? But if they really summon courage and will to challenge him, they should anyway for the good of the country, and not be influenced by what Republicans do.
Simply put, they can’t blame GOP for not doing what they think is right.
Simply put, they can’t blame GOP for not doing what they think is right.
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They can and should be blamed. What they think is right is actually dangerous. Hopefully the folks they have tricked into voting against their own and the country's best interest will wake up and stop voting republican.
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YOU think that Republicans' letter is dangerous. But at least half of the country thinks the opposite, and are afraid Obama will make a deal with Iran which will eventually hurt us. What makes you think your are right and others are wrong?
Tricking the voters in voting for Republicans? How about tricking the voters in voting for Obama? Aren't both "tricks" equally valid, and in the end, equally ridiculous? The voters are much smarter than the left gives them credit.
Tricking the voters in voting for Republicans? How about tricking the voters in voting for Obama? Aren't both "tricks" equally valid, and in the end, equally ridiculous? The voters are much smarter than the left gives them credit.
And what makes you think that only Republicans know what is the good of the country? On two specific occasions, a majority of the voting citizens decided that it was for the good of this country to elect, and re-elect, Barack Obama to the office of the president of the United States. I know it infuriates you to see a black man being the Commander in Chief. Get used to it. The next insult to you Confederates will be the very first woman Commander in Chief. Cannot wait to enjoy your fury.
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Unbelievable! For over 6 years the GOP has blocked everything obama has tried to accomplish, yet the so-called democrats are ready to jump into bed with the GOP to please their donors.
Cowards!
Cowards!
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This is serious. Uncharacteristically, Biden understates the case. These are negotiations about potential war over nuclear weapons in Iran. The Constitution and the law prohibit this sort of action by these Senators who wrote this letter. These Republican Senators are undermining not only Obama's efforts to secure an agreement (and of course any political advantage he may accrue from such an agreement) but also the power of the United States to use diplomacy now and in the future. It is a despicable and criminal act on the part of these republican Senators, but it is also sad for our country that all people including you are not outraged by this action. If hatred of Obama means that such disloyalty to the our country is acceptable or even tolerable then we are all in trouble.
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I agree, he was acting kinda "presidential" wasn't he? I thought so anyway.
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For the Republican Senate leadership to allow and sign a letter crafted by a very junior senator to a foreign power on the subject of international law is laughable.
This whole incident sounds like it was perpetrated by a high school student council committee. It has made the US senate a laughingstock.
This whole incident sounds like it was perpetrated by a high school student council committee. It has made the US senate a laughingstock.
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High school student council committee would do a better job.
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Absolutely. Republicans wanted control of the Senate, and this is what they do with it? Completely laughable if it weren't such anarchy.
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I a totally puzzled as to why this was sent so early!
We have almost three full weeks to April 1st!
We have almost three full weeks to April 1st!
I find it most telling that 47 Republican Representatives led by Speaker of the House John Boehner chose to sign a letter that was written by a freshman representative from Arkansas. To my way of thinking, this would be like entrusting the creation of a course syllabus to a university freshman. Beyond the question of ethics and constitutional precedents, one must consider whether these people have any idea at all of how our government is run.
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It was Senators, not Representatives, which is even worse.
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In a way, this is the Neo-Confederate States of America conducting its own separate foreign policy in rebellion against the United States of America.
It is especially disgraceful that Sen. McConnell signed this treasonous letter. In his role as majority leader, he never should have participated in something of this nature which is against the Logan Act. This is illegal and without precedent.
It is also absurd. There are multiple nations participating in the negotiations. These are the Permanent Nations of the United Nations plus Germany.
Pope Francis has spoken out in favor of these negotiations. The United States Conference on Catholic Bishops is in favor, and Bishop Pate representing them wrote Congress last month, urging them "not to take any actions that could undermine the negotiation process."
Do the ignorant Republican senator signatories now plan to write the 5 Permanent Members of the U.N. and the Pope, explaining how they feel the U.S. president should not be trusted?
I have written to both my senators to object. One of them is a new senator (Perdue) and a month after he joined the Senate, he was off on a junket to Israel to meet with Netanyahu.
If these senators want to renounce their American citizenship, they should do so and emigrate to Israel. This action was embarrassing, ignorant, and deeply anti-American.
It is especially disgraceful that Sen. McConnell signed this treasonous letter. In his role as majority leader, he never should have participated in something of this nature which is against the Logan Act. This is illegal and without precedent.
It is also absurd. There are multiple nations participating in the negotiations. These are the Permanent Nations of the United Nations plus Germany.
Pope Francis has spoken out in favor of these negotiations. The United States Conference on Catholic Bishops is in favor, and Bishop Pate representing them wrote Congress last month, urging them "not to take any actions that could undermine the negotiation process."
Do the ignorant Republican senator signatories now plan to write the 5 Permanent Members of the U.N. and the Pope, explaining how they feel the U.S. president should not be trusted?
I have written to both my senators to object. One of them is a new senator (Perdue) and a month after he joined the Senate, he was off on a junket to Israel to meet with Netanyahu.
If these senators want to renounce their American citizenship, they should do so and emigrate to Israel. This action was embarrassing, ignorant, and deeply anti-American.
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The simple man on the street will applaud Republicans' move, and perhaps wonder why the administration doesn't renounce American citizenship. The left has become so dictatorial that any challenge to Obama is viewed as unamerican and subject to deportation.
The simple man on the street will indeed applaud the republican action because they have been hoodwinked into believing that the snake oil they have been sold is the genuine item, unaware it will actually kill them
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I believe the key word in your response is "simple".
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These disgusting Republicans are traitors, plain and simple, giving aid and comfort to a known enemy of the United States as our President attempts to negociate with them on behalf of the people and government of the United States. Cotton and his cabal of Republican criminals should be indicted, arrested, jailed without bail, tried for treason and if found guilty, put up against a firing squad and executed, as per the Constitution and the law they claim to so revere. And the rest of the Republican Criminal organisation should be consigned to the garbage can of history. or jail, where so many of them - espeically Bush, Cheney and the rest of that lying and lawless administration so rightfully belong, and are long overdue.
We want these traitors punished!!!!!!
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
We want these traitors punished!!!!!!
18 U.S. Code § 2381 - Treason
Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
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What can one write? Why are these seditionists in office at all? The behavior of Republicans in USA Congresses goes from horrible to even more horrible from day to day, month to month, year to year. What is next, those Republicans assailing the White House with automatic weapons?
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It's a known fact that the United State sod America has the most competent and advanced nuclear intelligence apparatus in the world. The President therefore knows exactly what is going on with other countries nuclear work. For the Republicans to believe that Netanyahu suddenly is more in the know is extraordinarily stupid and goes against 40 years of history.
The Republicans have hurt our country once again and are wrong over and over again.
The Republicans have hurt our country once again and are wrong over and over again.
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The US has become an object of ridicule around the world since the Bush years. It is no longer regarded as a beacon of democracy. It has become a joke, and now, after Netanyahu at Congress and this ridiculous followup letter from the US Senators, it has become a bad joke.
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Time for the neo-Confederates to actually secede.
Maybe then we can become whole again.
Maybe then we can become whole again.
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In my humble opinion, isn't this conduct on the part of the Iran letter signatories treasonous?
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Treasonous? Are you saying that duly elected representatives of the people aren't allowed to challenge the government? I heard you can't to do that Putin, but now you claim that Obama is equally off limits?
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They didn't challenge "the government." They are part of the government, but with this letter, acted outside the processes of government. No debate on the floor. No vote. Secret meetings.
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They can indeed challenge the government, but in the legal way designated by rules and decorum. Not by sending a crybaby letter to a foreign leader in hopes it will help with their racist based hatred of the POTUS
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What ever happened to the "loyal opposition"? Republicans appear to believe that their majority status in Congress allows them to openly defy the President of the United States, who has been elected for two terms by a majority of their fellow citizens.
What we have now is government of the gerrymandered, by the gerrymandered, for the gerrymandered.
What we have now is government of the gerrymandered, by the gerrymandered, for the gerrymandered.
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Not to worry, the loyal opposition is still there. However their loyalties have been redirected, instead of being loyal to the USA, they are only loyal to the GOP. So what if every other nation on the planet needs to question the USA's intentions with respect to the 100s/1000s of other agreements made in the past, this group of bozos has put their contempt of the US Government and the US people on display for everyone especially our enemies amusement.
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"What ever happened to the "loyal opposition"? Republicans appear to believe that their majority status in Congress allows them to openly defy the President of the United States, who has been elected for two terms by a majority of their fellow citizens. "
By the same token majority of the people voted for a Republican Congress last year.
By the same token majority of the people voted for a Republican Congress last year.
Which of our federal senators are in gerrymandered districts?
I would greatly appreciate the Times printing the letter and the names of the Senators who signed it. We should all remember their names because they are the ones destroying what is left of Congress by refusing to govern in a spirit of what is best for this country through a bipartisan effort rather than childish bickering and dirty tricks.
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And also could the Times edify the situation opened by the comment about Democratic Senators sending a letter to Mr. Noriega while Mr. Reagan was in office (Don/Washington below)
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They did print it. Click on "open letter" the link typed and underlined in blue.
The senators signatures are included if you can make them out, most are intelligible scribble.
Read it and weep.
The senators signatures are included if you can make them out, most are intelligible scribble.
Read it and weep.
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The easy way to answer who signed the letter is by saying 7 GOP senators did NOT sign: Susan Collins (ME), Lamar Alexander (TN), Bob Corker (TN), Jeff Flake (AZ), Thad Cochran (MS), Lisa Murkowski (AK), Dan Coats (IN)
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/235301-gop-letter-to-tehran-backfires
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/235301-gop-letter-to-tehran-backfires
For those who think that these Senators haven't violated the law of this country, you need to do a little research. It's called the Logan Act and was passed in 1799.
Rather than repeating the main section of the law here, essentially says that anyone who tries to negotiate, undermine, etc. the US with any other country is subject to fines and 3 years of imprisonment.
If the 47 GOP Senators haven't done this, I don't know how to read.
Rather than repeating the main section of the law here, essentially says that anyone who tries to negotiate, undermine, etc. the US with any other country is subject to fines and 3 years of imprisonment.
If the 47 GOP Senators haven't done this, I don't know how to read.
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Open Letter to the Republicans:
Are you purposely trying to tank your party? In the past two decades, your party has been known for being elitist, obstructions, anti-women, anti-gay and way more focused on defeating the Democrats than any other objectives. Now you can add the word "treasonous" to the brand.
STOP IT. America needs to be a two party country and the way things are going, you may never ever win a general election again. GET SHARP, GOP, YOU ARE BECOMING A NATIONAL STAIN.
Stop trying to cram your patrician views into our bedrooms, all the while claiming to be government libertarians. Stop saying you are the "family values party", all the while you diss our President and our institutions through your obstructions. Stop it already.
Do you people honestly think Jeb Bush has a chance? Have you learned NOTHING?? Wake up, GOP, the country is chaining before your very eyes.
We need true leadership, not cronyism. We need good old fashioned values like respect for the rule of law, and the institutions of the United States. We need to bring compassion and honor and glory into our country.
You are going the wrong way, GOP. You have lost your way and in doing so, you have ceded the moral majority to the Democrats. Your tactics are destroying your strategy. Smarten up before y'all end up as some footnote in the history books.
The country is ripe for a third party, that's all else I can add.
Are you purposely trying to tank your party? In the past two decades, your party has been known for being elitist, obstructions, anti-women, anti-gay and way more focused on defeating the Democrats than any other objectives. Now you can add the word "treasonous" to the brand.
STOP IT. America needs to be a two party country and the way things are going, you may never ever win a general election again. GET SHARP, GOP, YOU ARE BECOMING A NATIONAL STAIN.
Stop trying to cram your patrician views into our bedrooms, all the while claiming to be government libertarians. Stop saying you are the "family values party", all the while you diss our President and our institutions through your obstructions. Stop it already.
Do you people honestly think Jeb Bush has a chance? Have you learned NOTHING?? Wake up, GOP, the country is chaining before your very eyes.
We need true leadership, not cronyism. We need good old fashioned values like respect for the rule of law, and the institutions of the United States. We need to bring compassion and honor and glory into our country.
You are going the wrong way, GOP. You have lost your way and in doing so, you have ceded the moral majority to the Democrats. Your tactics are destroying your strategy. Smarten up before y'all end up as some footnote in the history books.
The country is ripe for a third party, that's all else I can add.
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The letter did more than undermine negotiations with Iran, it interfered with the work of the Executive Branch. This is called sedition, and is punishable under the law.
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This is unprecedented and unconscionable. The party of Abraham Lincoln, Theodore Roosevelt and Robert Taft has become a party of irresponsible rabble rousers.
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It is sedition. Should be treated as such.
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Bob Taft would have pulled a stunt like this.
This is not a Republican or Democrat thing. The Senators who sent this letter are criminals. They are undermining the power of our government now and forever for what they think is a partisan advantage. It's not even just seeking to avoid war by opening up an other channel of dialogue, they have damaged our county's ability to act in the world. Again they are criminals and should be impeached, convicted by their peers, removed from office, indited under the law convicted and sentenced to jail. Their action is outrageous. I know this won't happen but it should.
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Just an another illustration of how right Gov. Jindal was when he said the Republicans have become 'the party of stupid'. Not only have they done enormous damage to the US position with respect to Iran, they've managed to score an own goal in the political fight.
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Having watched Madam Secretary for some time now, I'm suspicious of this seeming Senatorial incompetence. Surely the GOP senators, members of the loyal opposition as they are, cannot be so stupid as to send an open letter to Iran in the middle of negotiations. They must have been prompted. This must be an orchestrated "gaff," masterminded by the White House (Joe, being Joe?) to force Iran's hand, saying in effect, look the U.S. government is fighting among themselves. Act now, even if you have to make concessions, and you will get the best deal you will ever get. So let's not be too surprised if an agreement with Iran should materialize.
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Perhaps you are right.
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There are a bunch of bad actors in Congress, but I have a feeling that if this was scripted it was by their PAC/benefactors/bossmen ... not the White House itself. Many of these "elected" officials are minions.
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I hope this was meant to be a joke, but if so, it was a remarkably ill-considered one.
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Treason. Boehner should be prosecuted.
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He is the majority leader, though in a lemming like way.
Boehner is useless to this nation's interest, but this is McConnell's gang.
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So you've got this freshman senator who thinks he's smart, lecturing Iran about what they don't know. And 46 other GOPers, frantic to seem "powerful," pile on including John McCain, who should know better.
They compromise the presidency -- whether it is held by a Democrat or Republican.
The give aid and comfort to the hardliners in Iran who say "look, they are in disarray, we can get what we want.
And they just screwed any chance of getting Democratic cooperation on ANYTHING going forward.
Brilliant leadership from McConnell. He is the majority LEADER, yes?
They compromise the presidency -- whether it is held by a Democrat or Republican.
The give aid and comfort to the hardliners in Iran who say "look, they are in disarray, we can get what we want.
And they just screwed any chance of getting Democratic cooperation on ANYTHING going forward.
Brilliant leadership from McConnell. He is the majority LEADER, yes?
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Did somebody fail to give these 47 Senators a job description when they took office? They clearly do not know what their job is. Oh and somebody needs to tell them that all of the Congress and the President were also elected. Toddler tantrums while they are playing nuclear war games.
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The truth will out. Thanks to this idiotic stunt, the pendulum is about to swing the other way and the progressive century will begin in 2016.
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The recklessness of this action is shocking. It is hard to fathom such willful destructiveness. It would shame an enraged two-year-old.
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"Treasonous maybe debatable but what about the Logan Act:
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authorityof the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects."
I see no exemption for US Senators.
Any citizen of the United States, wherever he may be, who, without authorityof the United States, directly or indirectly commences or carries on any correspondence or intercourse with any foreign government or any officer or agent thereof, with intent to influence the measures or conduct of any foreign government or of any officer or agent thereof, in relation to any disputes or controversies with the United States, or to defeat the measures of the United States, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than three years, or both.
This section shall not abridge the right of a citizen to apply himself, or his agent, to any foreign government, or the agents thereof, for redress of any injury which he may have sustained from such government or any of its agents or subjects."
I see no exemption for US Senators.
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It does seem that the signatories are in violation of the Logan Act, although pursuing indictments, with the likelihood that they'd appeal all the way to SCOTUS, has scary potential implications.
A less risky (and vastly more entertaining) alternative: Obama could preemptively pardon them.
A less risky (and vastly more entertaining) alternative: Obama could preemptively pardon them.
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The Justice Department should initiate Logan proceedings immeriately.
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Good! Thank you!
Where is the Times headline showing some outrage at this Republican move?? The Senators should be challenged openly by the President and the Senate as well. Unacceptable.
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Democrats in Congress and especially the Senate were never going to cooperate or negotiate in good faith with their Republican colleagues. Harry Reid has stonewalled Republican senators since they took control of the Senate. Meanwhile Obama continues to rule by executive orders, many of which are unconstitutional, thumbing his nose at Congress and daring them to object. Doing so immediately prompts race card responses by his surrogates. Good for Republicans that they have decided to respond in kind. Shouldn't the president of the United States have to consult with Congress before entering into a treaty with the Islamic state of Iran BEFORE any treaty is signed off?
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All treaties must be ratified by the Senate. There was absolutely no reason for this act of treason.
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Read your American government & civics and you will find the way the administration is handling the negotiation is the same way past agreements were made. Example, nuclear non-proliferation agreement with Soviet Union. Agreement never ratified or considered by the Senate, still a great success in the Cold War.
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There is no treaty. The talks are between Iran and the P5+ 1 group (the five permanent members of the UN Security Council plus Germany) of which the US is but one member. It may or may not lead to an agreement, which would not need ratification by our congress. This is the purview of the State Dept under the Execurtive branch.
Btw, to exactly what unconstitutional executive orders do you refer?
Btw, to exactly what unconstitutional executive orders do you refer?
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We know the exact number of of African Americans, Latinos, Native Americans, Asian Americans and Muslim politicians in both Cambers of Congress. Could we know the exact number of Jewish politicians in Congress as well?
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Careful here. This has nothing to do with being Jewish. What difference does it make if the perpetrator of this anti-American act is Christian, Jewish, Muslim, etc.? It is the politicization, the polarization, the scorn this brings upon our nation, with its concomitant threat to our security, that is at issue here.
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A web search would tell you, but why is that important to you?
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This is actually one or the more bizarre things the GOP has done. I don't think it matters one way or the other. It is the nature of the action that is the problem. This is more of a House Tea Party thing than a Senate thing. Senators know the constitution and that this is an brazen unprecedented move.It is actually for that reason that it is so concerning, because it has a more than faint aroma of special interest money. Given the long contorted history of US foreign policy, it feels strange that they would make such a move on such an issue at such a time without the prodding of a moneyed interest. It must be seriously big money for the Senate to behave so un-Senate-like. This is a disgrace to the Chamber and their titles. Who's bright idea was this? I hope he got paid, because they embarrassed the Upper House with this gimmick.
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Our problem is that the media has abdicated all responsibility for printing facts and the truth. All conservative have to do is say anything and the media runs with it, and now we have 47 Republcians committing treason and we get this milk toast article. This is the saddest thing I have witnessed since the collaboration wiht Republcians on the march to the Iraq war.
Trending on twitter now #47Traitors
Trending on twitter now #47Traitors
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Pogo's famous "We have met the enemy and he is us" could never more aptly apply than it does now. Republicans - who. despite the disbelief of Democrats, actually do represent a considerable portion of the country - are convinced Obama and the Democrats are pusillanimous sell outs when it comes to foreign policy, with Iran and Putin as their prime examples. Democrats zealously believe Republican leaders are evil old white men financed by a monied cabal led by the Koch brothers, duping their clueless, moonshine-swilling followers into accepting a paranoid and apocalyptic world view. It is such a sad spectacle. There is no way these people can even agree on the weather. There is no middle anymore.
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And so what is their punishment? How do we hold them accountable?
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Since war criminals from the Bush II regime are still wandering around muttering about WMDs, ergo no chance that a mere mini-coup attempt will be prosecuted, I suggest a few million of us physically surround them on one of the rare occasions they are both in session. Then we use an old fashioned bullhorn and invite anyone who did not sign the letter or attend the Bibi campaign event, to come out to thunderous applause. Then we invite anyone who attended but did not sign the letter, to exit as we turn our backs to them. Then we wait for the slime mold to crawl out on their yellow bellies, once the donuts run out.