Oct 16, 2019 · 43 comments
James (Huntington Beach)
i have been an avid gamer my entire life and i have noticed a change in the games being developed. there are way more female lead characters even if it doesn't even make sense (like ww1/ww2 historical games). i cant speak from a developers side but i can speak from the players side. there has been a huge political swing in the gaming industry and diversity where sometimes doesn't fit. but the fact is they are trying.
Annie (Michigan)
@James Those same games have unrealistic fight scenes (Battlefield One, anyone?) and anachronistic proliferation of Machine guns. It takes things that weren’t super common for the eta and makes them very common. Which apparently is easy to brush off since it’s more “fun.” But add a female playable characters and everyone gets upset about that not being “realistic.”
Dormouse42 (Portland, OR)
@Annie Precisely. Heck a guy friend told me about being able to call in a V1 strike on a battlefield which was not at all a thing. If players can suspend disbelief over all the other things in a "historical" game they can do the same with women being included on the battlefield if they want to do so. If those games were realistic you'd be out of commission from pretty much any single hit.
Anton Q (Sweden)
@Annie Yeah realism haven't exactly been a priority before (at least for a lot of these games, for others it has been). To the original posters credit I'm not sure he's saying it's a bad thing but rather than efforts are being made. And representation of different genders, ethnicities and sexualities have gone from practically zero to at least 'some'. And while I think it's important to press this point further the effort could do with some encouraging of positive examples in place of condemnation of lack of examples.. Because at least the examples are there now.
MK (New York, New York)
I've always found it bizarre that people refer to gaming as some sort of community. I play strategy games online and the only interaction I have with my opponents is usually "good luck have fun". I have no idea where the person I'm playing is from or what race or gender they are. As far as I know this is how most online gaming works so it's strange that anyone could feel marginalized by such a setting. If I want community I'll call a friend.
Sean (Ft Lee. N.J.)
Instead of engaging in "I'm marginalized" pity parties ad nauseum, creating your own product, marketing niche while not annoyingly compelling majority acceptance. More minority STEM Degree seeking college students, less victim's "studies majors would help.
Pat (R)
@Sean But these people people aren't having a pity party, they're actually trying to illustrate their experiences and the problems they face and invoke change where they can. A pity party would imply a lack of action. I don't like people claiming that the victim narrative is overused, it rings of people trying to silence these voices.
GSB (SE PA)
Mr Gooden seems to have a creative mind that goes beyond even gaming. His game sounds like it'd make a great screenplay or possible even a streaming series. I would encourage him to go even farther than gaming. At 21 the world is his.
Jeffrey (07302)
I think articles like this perpetrate a myth about gaming, that unless you are some protected class member making an indie game, all other games are violent shooters played by young white adult males. Plenty of games explore difficult issues in their own way. Look at a recent global blockbuster, The Witcher series of games. It tackles racial hatred (of elves/dwarves), domestic violence, the horror of war, among other things. As an RPG it gives YOU, the player, the ability to respond interactively in many ways. Many of the games I play (RPG games) tend to explore similar themes. Lastly, on gamergate, there were utterly horrendous things done by people. Doxxing, death threats, etc. None of it can be justified. But it isn't some indication of gaming culture, it is just the same group of trolls on 8chan (and similar sites) who today pump out memes about Trump owning the libs. Can we stop acting like there are millions of gamers out there who are even thinking of this on a regular basis? It is just the trolls.
Fen (San Jose)
@Jeffrey The "trolls" are a very loud and organized part of the community who dox and send rape and death threats as you mentioned. The people who push back against them are few, far between, barely amplified, and are even punished for speaking up. Apathy and dismissal of these issues gives power to the people who send the threats and tells them there is no accountability or consequences for their behavior.
Raven (Arkansas)
I'm looking for engaging or entertaining games. Games that will challenge me in any way they see fit, be it mechanically, reflexively, strategically, etc. When I'm looking for something to play I don't care what the representation is because I'm looking for either an artistic experience or something that will make me think and grow as a player. If the dev wants to represent somebody, that's fine. But as for somebody who's actually playing games, I'm not making my purchases because "muh representation". I'm making my purchase because the game itself is good. I think a perfect rep of this would be Celeste. The story itself revolves around anxiety and depression and how it can be debilitating to those that suffer from it. The free DLC that dropped for it recently had a small easter egg that showed the main character was trans without just outright stating it, which imo was a very good move. Frankly? I didn't care, because the gameplay itself was so good - one of the best 2d platformers to come out in recent years. Diversity is all well and good but if it's the main selling point of your game then you're just releasing a political statement. As somebody that plays a game to play a game I want to experience something beautiful or challenge myself.
Blackmamba (Il)
Not all so-called ' minorities ' in America are created equal. White women aren't a minority. They are a majority protected class. White European American Judeo-Christian women were and still are the greatest beneficiaries of the blood, sweat and tears shed during the Reconstruction, JIm Crow and Civil Rights eras by black men, women and children. White gays and lesbians are a very close second in privilege and power. Followed by white European American Judeo-Christian Hispanic Latinos and Mornons. The most mocked, marginalized and maligned Americans are black African and brown First Nations LGTBQ. Followed by black African American and brown First Nations straight women. Then black African and brown First Nations Muslims.
D Collazo (NJ)
I game and I'm older, and it's sad that we still have misogynists and hate speech online. Hiding behind anonymous user names mostly, but sometimes not. Game companies do NOT want to be involved in this, putting money first. PlayStation stopped having a reporting system and now sends you to the 'in game' reporting systems for issues unless someone actually sent you a written message through their own system, but....most games don't have an in game reporting system. If there is a reporting system, it's usually automated and abused for other reasons, such as people reporting others they don't like, with the number of reports being the primary factor in whether someone gets a penalty, NOT the issue of the report. There's lipservice to investigating this by game companies, but it's worthless, and obviously hasn't been a drop in the ocean as far as stopping people from racist, and woman hating behavior. Don't expect it to change without someone actually putting laws in place. It's just pathetic.
Dormouse42 (Portland, OR)
@D Collazo This is why I steer clear of most multiplayer games and never use voice chat. Just too many trolls and seriously rude people out there. Well, men, to be honest. Once they know you are a woman it can get really bad. Though some genres aren't so bad. I play the racing game The Crew 2 and the men I've teamed up with on it have, for the most part, been good and fun to interact with. Granted there was one guy who want full bore sexual harassment...
Will (MD)
I am an avid console gamer. If people want to create new game franchises or genres that are more appealing to them for whatever the reason, well, more power to them. I only have an issue when someone wants to modify a franchise or genre that I enjoy and then tell me that it's better for me.
RefLib (North Carolina)
@Will What I hear you saying is that if suddenly they make an NPC have dark skin rather than the light skin he had, or replace the NPC with a woman, that's a no-go for you?
RefLib (North Carolina)
I'm a game playing senior woman (not alone in that BTW) and yes, I like women and diversity portrayed in games, like in the Real World. People should be able to play a wide variety of characters, just like there should be a wide variety of types of games. One size does not fit all. Diversity in fantasy harms no one and for the life of me I can't understand why anyone has made a big deal about it. There are plenty of trolls playing but not as many as in years past IMO, maybe some due to better filters or there are just less of them. I hope the latter. I always assume that the trolls are 12 year old boys because if they can't handle someone being different than they are, they never matured into adults, poor things. Instead of fighting for what matters in this world, they are stuck smearing gamers or developers for how they look or dress or what games they like or other ridiculousness. A lost segment of society. One wonders what they are going to tell their grandchildren when they are asked what they did during the toxic Gamergate era.
Rich (California)
“If you’re a young person of color playing games, you don’t really see yourself represented,” said Mitu Khandaker, a professor at New York University’s game center. “That kind of instills in you this sense that maybe I don’t really belong.” I didn't really just read this sentence, did I? If the faces of the characters in a video game are not darkened the right amount in whatever way they technically color video games, it might hurt some people's feelings or damage their self-esteem? Well, I'm Jewish. If there aren't enough Jews represented in video games, am I supposed to feel marginalized? How about Native Americans, Asians, Arabs? THIS is the culture we have become? Complaining about representation in VIDEO GAMES?? I don't know whether to laugh or cry.
RefLib (North Carolina)
@Rich It sounds silly until you think of whole libraries of picture books for children that only have white faces on the covers and inside. Or seas of books about Christmas with none about any other religion. What's wrong with that? It erases the existence of diversity. In libraries, we are at pains to make all welcome. Games should make an effort too.
raynernycz (New York)
@Rich I'd like my kids to see characters that look like themselves that they can be like "Hey, that person looks like me, I'm a super hero like them too!" Instead of just playing all white, all male characters ALL the time. Part of how children view the world is through media of all types. A little representation doesn't hurt anyone and can mean the world to some regardless of how we feel about it. I would love to play games with some Jewish representation. That sounds pretty cool to me.
Dormouse42 (Portland, OR)
@RefLib Precisely, representation matters in media. We are a very diverse society and it's best when our media is the same.
Anne (San Rafael)
This was a truly interesting article about individuals. I found it a refreshing change from the politically correct diatribes. I got a sense of who each of these people are as individuals. I'm not a gamer but I can see how it appeals to some people the same way writing poetry appeals to me.
Fraser Hood (Cambridge)
This reads as though written by someone with very little interaction with the subject matter, and I think that there is room for some really excellent discussion on this topic. In particular I think it would be interesting to look at how diversity in competitive gaming differs between something like Smash Bros, which is either played in person, or with no interaction, vs a game like LoL, which is pretty much the opposite.
C (Seattle)
Sometimes people just want to play a game and not get a lecture on identity politics. That doesn't mean they're "toxic".
Chris (Atlanta)
@C You are absolutely right. However, making that point in response to an article about diversity in the game creator community kinda is.
Kyle Bajtos (London, UK, ex. New Haven, CT)
@C Then play one of the very many games that provides you with the escapism that you are looking for.
Al (BK)
@C is this a reference to white people wanting to pretend that people of color don't exist, or people of color hoping to play a game without being called racial slurs?
Chris (Los Angeles)
I have worked in the gaming sector. Nearly thirty years ago, at my first job at a game company it was already far more diverse than any other sector. There were lots of women and people of color and gay people working there, and there was even an openly trans person. None of it was an issue. I honestly think this is more of trendy, easy story than an actural problem. The industry is full of people who got picked on for being nerds. They have a lot of empathy and all they care about is if you can solve problems. I get theat there are a lot trolls, but they should not define this issue.
Kathleen Warnock (New York City)
@Chris Have you ever been doxxed or threatened with rape or murder? Lots of gamers who aren't white guys have, and in an industry that's still predominately straight white males, it still happens. Your experiences of 30 years ago are not really relevant.
AJ (MT)
@Kathleen Warnock His comment was in reference to the "under-representation" of minorities in the workforce of the gaming industry which the article covers. Not the consumers. I would say his experience is relevant regarding this topic.
David Henry (Concord)
How many voted in 2016? Who did they vote for? The rest is just talk.
Talbot (New York)
I think it's great for people to have all kinds of gaming experiences. Many of the things described here sound more like personal projects than something others would be interested in playing. And as if the audience would be small and sonewhat specialized. Is that intentional? As a rejection of larger and more popular groups who reject them?
sedanchair (Seattle)
@Talbot The market is vast, and people have many interests. A game where you play a goose walking around is the latest hit. "Somewhat small" could be millions of people.
Anne (San Rafael)
@Talbot I personally have always been intrigued by the large groups of people who "prefer" pretending to be criminals or soldiers killing people. If this really represents the majority of people in this country, we should all be afraid.
Dormouse42 (Portland, OR)
@Talbot Niche gaming definitely has its place and makes money. Same with offbeat ideas, like the game "Untitled Goose Game" that sedanchair referred to. Heck, the visual novel genre is far from AAA titles but there is a huge market out there for them. A game named "Monster Prom" has done exceedingly well and it's a game where you play one of four monsters and attend a highschool for monsters. The goal is to secure a date for prom. The writing is wonderful and funny and the characters are incredibly diverse with lots of representation, particularly in terms of LGBTQ.
Lauren (Alabama)
I’m black, female, lesbian, and a gamer that mostly plays sports titles.....I usually don’t talk to people online because I’ve had some annoying experiences....I play on the PS4 console and I’m about to switch to pc to explore the creative side of gaming.... I want to tell my own story but I don’t know where to start.... any suggestions would be greatly appreciated!
Lovisa (Sweden)
@Lauren if you are curious about telling your story through games, I'd recommend Unity 3D or Unreal Engine. Unity requires more scripting (C#) than Unreal for a beginner, so I'd go for Unreal unless you are into scripting and programming. There are lots of free assets you can download to help you build the environments you need, and also courses on youtube, udemy and other similar sites. A good place to start could be to play some different indie games and find what kind of games and expressions speak to you. And when you start, start out very very simple and build from that. It is challenging to start but very rewarding. There are also tons of good books on game design and narrative design that can help you out along the way. You might also want to look into paper designs and board game prototypes since that can be easier to start with than something more technical. There are also female/queer+ discord channels and other forums that can be a nice safe place to ask questions and get feedback. Best of luck to you. :)
Janet (Brooklyn)
@Lovisa Unity and Unreal are both maybe a bit too intimidating for an absolute beginner. I'd say to start with GameMaker or Twine. Here's an interesting article on indie sports games: https://www.polygon.com/2017/4/21/15080198/indie-sports-games-ea-2k
Dormouse42 (Portland, OR)
@Janet RPG Maker can also be good for beginners. The older versions of it are often cheap. Oh! Also, I believe Humble Bundle is still running the "RPG Maker Bundle" this week. Ah, just checked. It is still available! For one dollar you can get the lowest tier of the bundle and it includes the last two versions of RPG Maker. I've used RPG Maker VX and found it very friendly. https://www.humblebundle.com/software/rpg-maker-returns-software For $15 you get those but expanded and a bunch of asset packs.
Dore (SF)
I worked on one indie game as a director. I planned out and tested each element meticulously and gave it the look and feel it needed. In the end I was forced out by one of the subordinates who didn't show up to meetings, had no plan, and flat out refused to do his job. But he was a bro, and I wasn't, and that was all the currency he needed and he knew it.
David Goldberg (New Hampshire)
@Dore and yet, I suspect there's a little more to this story.
Dore (SF)
@David Goldberg A lot more but there is a limit to what is important given the format of the comment section. Those who have experience in the field will recognize the parallels. Those who are incredulous may remain so. Regards.
Lovisa (Sweden)
As a female game developer, this is a very inspiring read. When I was younger I lacked people to look up to not only in the narratives and visuals of games, but also in the development scene. I am happy more kinds of people are in game dev and telling the stories they want to tell. It is fantastic that young adults and kids now can find more characters and developers to identify with. And in turn when they are older, maybe they will inspire someone else.