Sheeesh, according to my 23andMe results, I have as much Native as Warren and for me to claim it would be laughable. I also have 400 times that amount Ashkanazi Jewish blood (great great grandparent), yet would never claim that as my identity, heritage, background, culture etc......because there wasn't any in my life. Nice facts to know for cocktail party conversation, yet Warren, for some reason wanted to share that with the public. It backfired.
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Warren never has and never will claim Native American “kinship”. To suggest it is to be entirely Trumpian and willfully ignorant.
She took the genetic test to prove her grandmother right and the bigoted Trump wrong.
She did both.
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When will Elizabeth Warren acknowledge this fiasco as a mistake? The more she tries to defend this inane claim, the bigger hole she digs. She is insulting virtually every Native American in the United States and betraying her values by clinging to this dubious 'heritage'. She sounds just like every other opportunistic politician and career climber willing to cut throats and backstab her way to the top.
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Up until recently the Irish were not considered white either. Just google editorial cartoons from the early 20th century. The Irish were depicted as drunken monkeys.
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I loathe Trump, but this is hardly a win for Warren. One ancestor over 100 years ago doesn't qualify you for much of anything.
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I find it very strange that Sen. Warren sought out Dr. Bustamante to test her DNA. Why didn't she go to one of the popular DNA testing companies? And why did she seek the opinion of someone with no expertise in the DNA of Native Americans of the United States? I wonder if she didn't have trouble find the information she was looking for.
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Forgive me fellow liberals but this is bizarre. What is the point of Elizabeth Warren calling attention to whatever native American ancestry she may have? Is she trying to say that she is somehow special as a candidate - or person - because of an ethnic identity? If so, that implies that it is valid to use one's ethnic identity to gain advantage in pursuit of some personal goal, like being president, at the expense of others. But since when do liberals believe that it's OK for people of *particular* ethnicities or races be treated with deference not accorded to other groups? The answer is, at least the past 30 years.
While they purport to want a society free of labeling, privilege and bias, they themselves are creating exactly those things even though they preach the "we're-all-equal-in-the-sight-of- god" dogma. Fact is, Warren is shamelessly pandering, and liberals are advancing a micro-identity politics that is creating division rather than unity. Simply look at your odious president's reaction to the news - raw meat for his slavering base.
Democrats' pursuit of identity politics is a massive strategic blunder. (Remember 2016?) Rather than going on about Elizabeth Warren's (totally irrelevant, as I'm sure they'd agree) genetic background, they should be crafting messages that might just compel people - ALL people, ANY people - to vote for them.
Identity politics isn't liberalism, it's division, and I'm far too liberal to accept that.
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The criticisms launched at her seem so unfair. She did NOT say that she shared a cultural heritage or that the test was relevant to tribal membership. Both of those are different things. The basic thrust is to defend her granny and her mother’s honesty, and her own, in repeating these stories from her family. And she was refuting that she had ever claimed an unfair advantage, or one intended for a group she was not a member of. There is an ugly history of discrimination in Oklahoma against native americans. Her family story of an elopment is plausible. And lots of folks in these parts are actually enrolled tribal members who look just as white as she does. But she is not claiming to be enrolled or culturally native american, only that she and her family are not lying and she did not seek or receive an unfair advantage.
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@TRP
You are being far too charitable to her. Did she say "I am an enrolled Cherokee" or "I am a member of the Cherokee tribe?" Perhaps not. But let's be real here. She listed her ethnicity as "Native American." According to her story, her belief was that she was 1/32. Suppose you had one great great great grandparent who was black, and 31 who were white. You are asked for your ethnicity on work or school paperwork. Among the several options are "White/Caucausian" and "African-American." You could decline to answer, or choose one and only one response.
Would you choose African-American? Either way, would you consider it a morally defensible option for you? Even if so, can you see why people of many different ethnic backgrounds might take exception to you doing so, and why they might think you are trying to exploit an identity that you have, at best, minimal claim to for selfish reasons involving unjustified personal gain?
If that makes sense to you, then perhaps you will conclude on further reflection that the criticisms of Senator Warren are actually not "so unfair."
Nor do I think you can universally credit her and her family with complete honesty. In a rather embarrassing decision, she contributed a crab omelet recipe to the cookbook "Pow Wow Chow," which she claimed was Cherokee in origin, despite it having been lifted (whether by her or a relative who passed it down to her) from a NY Times Cookbook as contributed by a French chef. Somebody was faking.
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By taking a DNA test Elizabeth Warren has unwittingly brought the problem with Affirmative Action to the fore.
How does one prove they are African American or Latin American (Hispanic) to get the benefit of being counted as a minority? Surely a DNA test is the most objective measure but then the question arises: how much of a gene should one have to qualify? Is 50% African American enough? Is 25%? Obviously if non-genetic measures are used then everyone can declare some kind of affiliation like Ms. Warren did.
Mixed race children also pose a problem. I know children of mixed European and minority (US) heritage who are in advantageous Affirmative Action categories on applications forms and spend their summers skiing and biking in Switzerland and Germany. These kids wouldn't even need DNA tests to make their claims (because of their skin color and surnames ) yet they are more privileged than 95% of the country.
I am amazed that Ms. Warren is not accused of Cultural Appropriation and more by the Harvard community while Erika Christakis had to leave Yale under a cloud because of writing about the right to don (not even donning) a Halloween costume that belonged to another culture.
I can't believe I am saying this but this is a genuine case of Cultural Appropriation. I agree with the Cherokee Nation.
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Where is it written that Warren filled out an application claiming to be native American as her primary identity?
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@Beth It is more or less written in the Boston Globe, for one:
archive.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2012/05/31/elizabet...
"Warren had previously said only that she indicated minority status in an Association of American Law Schools directory used to make diversity-friendly hires beginning in the 1986-87 school year, the year before she was hired at Penn. She stopped listing herself in the directory in 1995, the year she became a tenured professor at Harvard."
Primary identity may be a bridge too far, but it looks like she was actively trying to use her purported ethnicity as a hiring advantage. The reporting above seems to indicate that this information was based on her own prior statements to that effect. ("Warren had previously said...").
The use of the identity when she thought it would be to her advantage, I'd argue, is much more of an issue than the obviously silly Rachel Dolezal-esque idea that it was her "primary identity" in every day life.
You could almost pity the self-delusion involved in sincerely considering herself to be an actual Native American with, even by her own stated belief, 1/32 Native blood (and at most half that, in reality). This is worse. This is pre-meditated and cynical cultural appropriation for the purposes of benefiting in terms of money and prestige. Even assuming she was 100% convinced she was 1/32 Native American, this is reprehensible.
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Elizabeth Warren misses the point. She got a DNA test that indicates that she may have some distant American Indian ancestors. But the question is not whether that is true or not. That's a distraction. The question is whether Elizabeth Warren is an American Indian.
And on that there is no question. Elizabeth Warren is not an American Indian. She should have realized that American Indian tribes and nations don't take kindly to what she has done. The Cherokee tribes don't like people using genetic tests to claim membership. The Navajo Nation has said that its people will not participate in genetic testing and analysis.
As is his wont, Donald Trump was using hyperbole when talking about Pocahontas and about genetic testing. He wasn't being literal. Anyone can tell by looking at her that Elizabeth Warren has no racial characteristics of any American Indian tribe or nation.
Shame on you, Elizabeth Warren, for not coming out and saying that. Apologize to the Cherokee tribes. Apologize to American Indians. Work on their concerns, certainly. They need all the help they can get.
But don't claim to be one of them. You're not.
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Trump has made a lot of people lose their minds.
I think this response from a Native Americab sums up this whole fiasco: https://splinternews.com/elizabeth-warrens-deception-1829755302
Two (among many other good) points from the article:
"My rejection of this label for Warren has nothing to do with her looks, her legislative decisions, or the genetic makeup of the blood in her veins. She is not Native because she is not, and has never been, a Native American to anyone else, especially not Native peoples."
and
"This is not a game of Who’s More Native? It is a simple question of to whom Elizabeth Warren feels responsible to when she travels to Washington. If her record is any indication, it is not Native peoples."
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Elizabeth Warren needs to let this issue go. She does not have enough cultural evidence to claim Native American status and the genetics do not support her “minority” status claim.
Please dear god, Dems. Move to the middle and give me a decent candidate against Trump.
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Being an enrolled member of a tribe is all about money. Cherokees had slaves -- far beyond the Emancipation proclamation. and even though the slaves were predominantly African-American, many/most also had Cherokee blood. That didn't free them or get them in on the money which came later from oil or casinos or tax free cigarettes. Virginia tribes were all but wiped/legislated out. Enrollment and native blood are two very different things. And Warren never claimed any benefits -- just ancestry.
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President Donald Trump, again, illustrates a lack of consistency. He does not accept the genetic evidence for Native American ancestry for Senator Elizabeth Warren, which he requested, as not indicating cultural ancestry, which it doesn’t. Recall that he makes the counter argument with the “Dreamers” who grew up culturally American but whom he categorizes as aliens because of the country of birth of their parents. He can’t have it both ways.
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@N. Louanna Furbee In his usual humorous fashion, Donald Trump was joking about the genetic testing. His point is that Elizabeth Warren is not an American Indian. She may have an American Indian ancestor deep in history, but that doesn't change anything. Her genetic test is meaningless.
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No offense to the people involved, but this whole DNA analysis is still more hokum than science. Too many assumptions are made to make the conclusions meaningful in the real world. It reminds me of the physicist who figured out a way for cows to produce more milk: "First assume a spherical cow in a vacuum . . . ."
The upshot is that Elizabeth Warren is no more an American Indian than I am, and I'm not. At least I've attended a couple of pow wows. More than "Pocahontas" can claim.
But who knows, maybe she saw the Disney movie. That means as much as having an unknown, unnamed great, great, great, great (and maybe four more greats) grandparent who may have been a member of an unknown, unnamed Indian tribe.
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Perhaps it's here and I missed it, but I can't believe nobody's made the Trump/Republican-Neanderthal DNA connection yet. Or, to preempt the joke, would that be insulting to Neanderthals?
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Elizabeth Warren proved the claim that Trump challenged her to prove. He should now pay up....it's as simple as that.
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This feels like a rather useless article. Before we can evaluate whether the DNA analysis upheld Senator Warren's claims, we need clarification on exactly what claims were made.
If it was simply that her mother passed down family legends of Native American ancestry, then her mother was right. End of story. This is far different from claiming to BE Native American, but to my understanding, Senator Warren never claimed this.
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@Rose You are wrong, and that's the whole point. Elizabeth Warren has claimed, from time to time, that she is an American Indian. A Cherokee, to be exact. And she has refused to acknowledge that she is not, as some Cherokees have asked her to do.
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@Rose
I did not hear Senator Warren claim to BE a Native American. Her video makes clear she was not hired as a law professor on the basis of diversity & affirmative action. She was hired because she was a great teacher (look at the students in her classroom.
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Considering that there are no pressing national or global issues to deal with, I am so happy this who really gives a hoot controversy gives me something to read. Sad, very sad.
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I think that's up to Native Americans, tbh mate.
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The latest in the faux-news flaps, meant to hide the massive ongoing lies and criminality of Trump and his gang! This should be a footnote article on p. 20, not a lead news article!
Trump and the right-wing extremists makes a big deal about Warren's ancestry -- just like they did about Obama's birth -- but meanwhile Trump lies daily, his underlings commit perjury with impunity, and the blatant corruption and collusion with murderous dictatorships goes on apace...
Where's the update on the Mueller investigation?
All part of the Lee Atwater, Karl Rove "attack, attack, conceal the truth / real issues" ... strategy we've seen for 30+ years now!
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It doesn't seem to matter WHAT Warren does. Trump will lie and people will say "Warren did it wrong."
Warren did everything RIGHT.
Trump is LYING. HE IS WRONG. Morally. Ethically. Literally. Figuratively. Genetically.
People are stupid. I'm sick of humanity.
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When I took the 23 and Me test it cam back with a highlighted yellow circle on County Mayo, Ireland. Of course my dna showed ancestors scattered all over europe and scandanavia, but the vast majority was centered on this one place in Ireland. Apparently there has to an overwhelming genetic connection to a location for the 23 and Me people to put extra highlights on your “map”.
County Mayo was amongst the hardest hit areas of the “Irish Potato Famine” of the 1800’s, and my grandmother and her sisters/cousins always said the family had immigrated from County Mayo during the famine. So now I have a dna test that literally proves it.
My question is: how can 23 and Me know that from just a test tube filled with my spit?
Fwiw, my cousins and I on my father’s side always thought we were Scots from that side of the family (the Irish comes from my mother). Geneology research now shows that 4 generations back our great-great-great grandfather came over from Sweden and changed his name at Ellis Island. I had to throw away a lot of tartan bought in Scotland. It felt like the AMEX commercial.
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@Ann I'm not familiar with the specifics of 23andMe's coverage of Ireland, but there is a broad trend--both among DNA test companies and research groups--to get down to fine-grained genetic maps of the world where possible. This kind of analysis can potentially work well in places where people have lived for many centuries in a small region--such as around an Irish village. Some genetic variants can become unusually common (or rare) among them thanks to pure chance. It also requires gathering lots of those variants from lots of people. In the next ~20 years, ancestry testing will probably make some incredible advances as a result.
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This is an insanely wrong way to fight the current administration. I define myself as a liberal centrist and not a sympathizer of republicans in general. But Warren played this very foolishly. I am a mixed woman myself and I come from a country that has another populist autocrat in power. They all work the same mechanisms. But the key here is that these tactics target the hypocrisies of the oppositional side first. You need to be extra clever and more genuine to be able to score against demagogues.
I am deeply disappointed in the democrats, who fuel identity politics, are raged to the point that they can't see what is waiting for them. They reveal how they exploited the identity spheres, in this case Warren's Harvard and Penn mentions, just because they want to destroy the other side and further playing into their hands.
This country's democrats need genuine defenders; not exploiters of issues of race, gender and sexual abuse. Hillary's stance on her husband's scandal and war mongering in the Middle East, democrats' deaf ears to Bill Cosby accusers, Warren's silent acceptance and endorsement of "cherokee" identity throughout her career- I know how this game is played from first hand experience in academia; these won't win against someone like Trump. Then we find ourselves gaping at the fact that Trump shifts into the role of the constitution defender, a Cherokee Nation endorser etc. People are fed up with hypocrisy and you just can't go on like this.
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If Senator Warren's Native American ancestor lived only six generations ago, that person should be identifiable using census records. Going back further is harder, but possibly doable. Get Prof. Henry Louis Gates on the job!
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I do believe this all started because of Warren's past claim to "racial minority" status. It's not as if Trump made this stuff up.
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Dave- The article is a fair and balanced assessment of Senator Warren’s response to the First Bafoon’s continuing use of ‘Pocahontas’ instead of her well-earned title.
Paragraph 23: ‘Is only’ A small distraction
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@Dave Harvard made that claim while she taught there for ten years in their diversity hire filings with the government. She never did.
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What? She did what? I didn’t know we could do that. You mean we can just pick like that?!
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The issue is NOT that Sen. Warren discussed "family lore" about distant Native American ancestry; the DNA test supports her claim. The issue is that for almost ten years she was listed in a legal directory as a "minority" and that her employer Harvard Law School claimed her as a Native American to prove the diversity of their faculty. The DNA test does nothing to mitigate the egregiousness of these falsehoods. I like Sen. Warren and her politics, but the "Pocohantas" controversy is a huge vulnerability for her heading into a 2020 Presidential race — more damaging than any of the accusations leveled at Sec. Clinton in 2016. As Democrats, we can do better.
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As a judge, I was often called upon to determine if the ICWA applied to a given case where a child was being placed outside the home. If so, the involved tribe could make a claim that the child should be placed with an Indian family in order to preserve that child's connection to its cultural heritage. In one case where a child was 1/16th Alaskan native, but had never had a connection to the tribe, I consulted with the chief of her tribe to determine if she was eligible to be enrolled, and was told that she could be enrolled even if she had no genetic native makeup. "We welcome everybody," she replied. In other words, if you want to be an Indian, you're an Indian.
I had friends in college who received "Indian money," who were only 1/32nd Native American, despite having no connection with a particular tribe. Defining native heritage has always been complicated. Is it genetics or culture? The law seems to favor genetics, but most tribes lean toward culture. Senator Warren only stated that family lore suggested some Indian heritage, while never claiming any cultural connection to a tribe, or benefiting professionally from it. Thus, the DNA analysis proves her correct. Cherokee officials are also correct in saying that it is a cultural connection that makes one eligible to be enrolled in their tribe. It's a non-issue, except for the president's insistence on making it one so he can use a racist nickname to rile his base.
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@Oregon guy, Warren claims she is part Cherokee. She says her family talked about being part Cherokee, not just “oh, we have an indian ancestor back there somewhere”. My understanding is she put Cherokee on her college applications, academic applications, and that Harvard claimed her as such. The DNA analysis here shows her as having, perhaps 10 generations ago, either a Canadian or Latin American tribal ancestor (not plural). A far cry from what she has relied on both academically and politically.
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@Ann none of this is true. While she was teaching at Harvard, Harvard chose to list her as Native American in their hiring diversity filings. She never did. And she never put anything on her college applications or anything else. Your information is faulty.
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My mother's 23andMe results trace some minuscule bit of Siberian ancestry - the map bears a thin line encircling most of northern Asia, across the Bering Straits and down into western North America. Apparently we too are, aside from Aschkenazi Jews, Native American!! Ancestry becomes meaningful when accompanied by cultural practice.
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I'm 64. We learned in US history high school classes that during many census years, people who were just 1/4 or 1/2 native American were classified as full "indian." But just so you see how far this concept still stretches, please read this:
https://caicw.org/family-advocacy/letters-from-families-2/aunt-164-chero...
The child is under the auspices of the IWCA, even tho only 1/128th Cherokee! Because of shifting definitions/requirement/viewpoints, I can easily imagine thinking yourself Native American, even tho the DNA percentage is low. It depends on how your family views its history.
I understand this because I have a Sephardic genetic disease even tho my father's family ("asked" to leave Spain in 1500) were in Italy for over 400 years as Catholics. My mom is Czech/Bohemian. But that little bit of Sephardic has affected me since my 20's. And my father's side of the family had hid their very distant Jewish background for generations. They were ashamed of it.
I took a genetics test. I came out 46% Italian, a mix of Eastern European and Baltic and 1.5% African. Spanish Jew didn't even show up--too far back and on my father's side. When my dad's cousin (son of his paternal uncle) took a genetics test, it came back with Spanish Jewish background. Lesson: The DNA test results are still not precise.
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@Diane, less and less DNA from distant ancestors is passed on with every generation. This means it is perfectly normal for one sibling or cousin to have inherited the DNA of your Spanish ancestor and another to not have inherited it. It is not the fault of DNA tests - it is simply the way Mendelian genetics works.
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Senator Warren is not claiming a tribal affiliation. She's claiming Native American ancestry. The DNA test proves it. Trump, and his true fashion, boasted and bragged and bloviated and didn't pay up. Does that make him a liar? Yes, it does
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@James Panico, Warren is claiming she’s part Cherokee. Clearly, she is not.
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@James Panico, he DNA results also show NO links to Native Americans. Her very tiny link, as much as 10 generations back, is to either the First Peoples of Canada OR some unspecified Latin American native people.
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@James Panico
The DNA results prove Central American DNA connections, nothing more.
The connection between natives of Central America and North America is purely hypothetical.
Maybe one of her ancestors was Mexican- but that's not as romantic as Cherokee, is it? But the evidence is there for Mexico. For the Cherokee, no. For her "my parents were so in love" fairy tale, evidence is utterly missing.
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She is a decent, intelligent and good human being who shared a family story like many of us have done. She was truthful, honest and ... correct. The right-wingers are trying to weaponize this, because they have nothing to stand on but vitriol.
An essential fact was noted above: the right-wingers (mostly in the South) have always claimed that one drop of non-white blood condemns you to being non-white. Now they say the opposite. They stand for nothing.
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@John. Facts are so conveniently reinterpreted.
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She was correct? She said her mother was an "part Cherokee and part Deleware," that her father's family could not approve of the wedding because of this. She did not say that her great great great great great great great great great grandfather might have been native american. The average white american has more native american blood. She claimed to be a minority at Harvard until tenured, then went back to calling herself white. How is this correct? This is a problem
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NO Native American DNA was used to arrive at this "so called proof"....even the Cherokee Nation Representative denounced Warren's efforts. She presented no credible evidence to prove any connection and it is laughable and sad to claim otherwise.
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@Susan, the Cherokee nation (which is more than one group) made their own decisions about who to include in the tribe in the late 19th and early 20th century. It was not based on descent or science or culture, since, as is well known, it was more of a popularity contest. Africa Americans who were part Cherokee were left out. Families of political opponents were removed from the lists. Enemies of specific families were out. It is not a pure process, and other than family stories, Warren never claimed anything tribal.
There is also no way, and never will be a DNA way, to test tribal affiliation; the founder population is too small - Native American DNA has very limited variation as a result.
What is sad and laughable is how little history and science the commenters understand - but also that the author of the article did not include any of this well-known information.
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Big mistake to give into Trump and his bands of white supremacists.
As Vann Newkirk writes today in The Atlantic:
"Throughout America’s race-bound history, blood has always been a pernicious stand-in for authenticity. Terms like white, Negro, Indian, mulatto, quadroon, Creole, and even Melungeon have served as much more than messy colloquial or self-descriptive identities; they’ve been used by those in power to assign people to castes. It is only in this context that one-drop rules and percentages of racial ancestry have become markers of anything, a context in which dusty old race science still animates policy and great-great-great-grandparents can still be incurable taints or gatekeepers.
But considering the history of American racial essentialism and the nature of Trump’s know-nothing bullying, it doesn’t seem likely that Warren’s move will add any clarity at all. Things will only get worse."
He's right. We've been here before, many times.
https://www.rimaregas.com/2018/08/07/greed-malfeasance-never-sleep-blog4...
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If Elizabeth Warren would email me autosomal results from the standard commercial companies Ancestry.com or Familytreedna.com (not 23andme,com!) I would be happy to analyze them using my system, which DOES have a limited number (4) of very near 100% Native American people
from eastern Canada and the USA.
Of course, my results would be just as limited as Bustamante's by the rather small Native American segments she has. Those are clearly large enough to distinguish Native American from anything else for those regions of the chromosomes. But no one can distinguish tribes, as there is insufficient reference data.
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Why create a controversy where this is none? She said she had native American ancestry and she does. End of story.
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Evolutionary theory says that all humans came out of the place we now call the continent of Africa. Does this mean that everyone on the planet is an African?
This brouhaha is just one among many Trumpian diversions keeping our attention away from the real issues that face us and keep his base enraged over something of zero consequence.
Who your ancestors are has little to no bearing on what quality of human you are. Your actions determine where you fit in human society.
Some like to cite our ancestry but really, until those who claim something from their ancestry also pay off all the unpaid debts and complete all the unfinished prison terms of their ancestors it really doesn't matter.
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@George N. Wells You are correct in that all human being came originally from Africa. When asked where I can from I say I am either Native American, by the virtue of being born here, or African-American because that's where my ancestors came from. Everything else were just stops along the journey.
Unfortunately it really does matter if your government and schools classify you or you try to gain advantage in being accepted by claiming you have a certain heritage.
By the Times estimation, Warren may have even less "Native-American" heritage that the average American.
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It was once common in the South (and for all I know there are still plenty who only think it) to hear that "just one drop" was enough to make a person non-white. I think it's odd that these same people, after accusing Ms. Warren with lying about having Native American ancestors, now howl about her not being Native American enough.
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“Dr. Bustamante could not say from Ms. Warren’s DNA which tribe her ancestor belonged to. He was able only to compare Ms. Warren’s DNA to that of indigenous people in Peru and Mexico, as well as First Nations people in Canada.”
So is she part Native American or not? Seems like the article raises questions AT THE VERY END that makes the whole thing absurd.
Frankly this is embarrassing for her. The fact is she tried to claim this ancestry for an advantage over others, whether or not it made a difference illustrates her dishonesty. She can’t explain that away.
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@Paul, exactly. Warren claims she is part Cherokee, and these DNA results prove no such thing. At most they show she has a single ancestor, perhaps 10 generations back, who was either a member of the Canadian First Peoples or a South Amercian Indian. Part Cherokee, she ain’t.
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@Paul Senator Warren has NOT tried to claim this ancestry for an advantage over others. Her education and career advances were solely due to her own merits. Myself, I think she just wants Trump to shut up and pay up. $1,000,000 was the deal. And she named the charity he can send it to.
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Warren isn't claiming tribal membership, she never has, she never will. The controversy only exists in because a couple of universities listed her as Native American (I have insight to that -- it is because universities are desperate to claim as much diversity as possible, that may be a real story but it isn't a personal attack so it won't sell as many newspapers/get as many clicks). Republicans decided the best way to attack her is to falsely amp up her claims and then call her a liar for not living to those false claims. This article KEEPS THIS FALSE NARRATIVE, and it is shameful. Warren was asked her background, and she claimed she had some native american history. She has been attacked for that claim for over a decade now, and did a DNA test to show that she does. That is all folks. Why do people keep gaslighting this situation. This isn't about membership. Tribes make the rules on membership. The Cherokee only gives membership to those who show through birth records a direct descendant to a tribal member on the Dawes Rolls. It doesn't matter how much Native American you are (most members are majority white). It also doesn't matter if your ancestor wasn't counted in that single document, and a lot of ancestors weren't because they were banished (in a pure sense, these descendants now live with the crime of their ancestors - banishment from the tribe), lived afar at the time, or that ancestor didn't get counted in that census for any number of reasons.
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@Jim
You seem to be blaming this on “a couple of universities.” Warren said she was Native American when she filled out papers for those universities. They did not come up with that info. She did.
I recall my father, who would be 110, saying that there was an “Indian” on our family tree. No one paid any attention because here in Wyoming we heard similar comments frequently in those days (the 1950-60’s). I never considered identifying as Native American. I often feel some embarrassment about identifying as Scottish even though both maternal grandparents emigrated from Scotland. I guess it is because I feel that I am an American. Yes, I realize there is a difference between your nationality and your racial identity, but I would prefer a President who identifies with his/her nationality rather racial identity. Barack Obama comes to mind.
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@Jim Unfortunately, Warren did herself a disservice with this test. The point is there are many Americans who feel people abuse ethnic/racial categories by partaking in the benefits sometimes awarded to these categories but not partaking in any of the burdens (i.e. they often don't look the part!). She could have simply stated -- as she has -- that her mother told her of her Cherokee heritage and that the university chose to identify that heritage on its forms but she does not claim to be part Cherokee or partake in the privileges extended to that tribe due to past discrimination. To me, this doesn't bode well for her ability to handle someone like Trump.
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I am descended from primitive tribes that lived in ancient Britain and from wild Germanic tribes that invaded after the Romans left. I acknowledge that, but do not feel any need to claim inheritance of their culture. Why should Elizabeth Warren be expected to think like or identiy culturally with ancestors who were members of Pre-Columbian, stone-aged Indian tribes?
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“What determines tribal belonging is very much based on a person’s social connections and lived experiences,” [Dr. Bolnick] said. “These are things not defined by the DNA in our bodies.”
Nature v. nurture. One happens before one is born, the other occurs afterward.
To claim a cultural connection, Ms. Warren would have to have been raised on the reservation.
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@Ralph Averill all she ever claimed were family stories. And most people descended from Native Americans have never lived, or set foot, on a reservation. Her family stories have been shown to have a basis in reality through the DNA tests. That's all there is to it.
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You know they'll just say it's just genetic "fake news." The Right hates Sen. Warren too much to have any use for the truth.
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Who cares? We should evaluate if she advocates for pro-Native American policy, not if she herself is a Native American.
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23andme told me I also have American Indian ancestry. I believe I was told I am about 95.5 Ashkenazi from Europe yet this other small percentage going way back was like the United Nations from Asian, Sardinian, Mongolian American Indian and more -- you name it... I find it puzzling and interesting. I imagine way back 1 big continent.
23andme is always asking more questions than they are ever willing to answer. I find that frustrating. I paid 23andme yet I feel they're using me almost as an unpaid employee to gather information.
I love American Indian art and pre 23andme sharing connection always sleep w/ a small American Indian blanket w/ Buffalo and Horses. I have jewelry including a ring with the Sun and Corn so beautiful symbolizes sustenance and the powerful connection with Mother Earth.
I feel USA owes American Indians so much more support. Americans have this strange notion of casinos and wealth but the sad truth is too many American Indians are struggling and they have and continue to suffer.
Even as a Jewish person I am saddened I am not fluent in Hebrew, Yiddish and English does not feel like my 1st language although it is. I was born here but I struggle w/ the language and w/ PTSD insomnia from violent assault now my struggle far worse to communicate so I can't image what it is like for the First People.
American Indians have suffered so much it's sad to read their new concerns re: DNA testing. Can we really trust 23 and me? I don't know.
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I dunno. I think what Senator Warren had only tried to do was make a point that we are all in this together. That a white person - or anyone of any race - is most often genetically composed of more variation than folks often want to acknowledge. Seems to me a good thing, especially these day with resurgent racism being openly promoted by the illegitimate “president”. I may be mistaken, but I don’t recall Senator Warren having ever claimed anything about cultural identity, just that is was proudly part of her genetic make up.
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@Matthew and her family stories, which are indeed hers to tell.
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Bringing this up again just before the mid-term elections was a political mistake. It is a distraction from the real issues that people should be talking about.
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One of my grandmothers was part Sioux.
I likely have Neandertal DNA, too.
Neither is of any consequence because I just don't care. But Elizabeth Warren does, and if this confirmation makes her want to do more for Native causes, why should anyone object?
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Because she inappropriately claimed she was a native American to get beneficial treatment otherwise not available to a white woman.
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@Stormy this never happened. She received no beneficial treatment. Harvard chose to list her this way for the ten years she worked there in order to improve the university's diversity figures. Their decision: not hers. Even Fox agrees with this.
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And you are wrong, Stormy. 100% wrong.
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