Behind a Roadside Hit in Malaysia, Israeli-Palestinian Intrigue

Apr 25, 2018 · 67 comments
Mireille Kang (Edmonton)
Russia attempts to kill a Russian spy in the UK and is subjected to harsh Western sanctions. Israel is a rogue state which illegally perpetrates thousands of targeted assassinations against Palestinians, Lebanese and other Arabs with total impunity under the pretext that it has the right to keep its people safe, while exercising apartheid policies against Palestinians, and killing peaceful unarmed Palestinians protesters. This is an unacceptable double standard. Until Israël faces international sanctions, it will continue bullying and killing anybody who attempts to fight its illegal occupation of Arab lands. It’s time to call Israël out and hold it accountable until it’s willing to negotiate with the Palestinians for a peaceful and fair resolution of their bilateral conflict.
JEG (New York, New York)
Israel twice offered Palestinians land-for-peace terms that provided Palestinians 95 percent of their demands. The first peace deal was rejected by Yassir Arafat, and the second by Mahmoud Abbas. Israel has also proven its willingness to vacate lands for peace, withdrawing from the Sinai Peninsula, Gaza, and southern Lebanon, yet, Hamas and Hezbollah continued to launch rockets into Israel. Israel's responses have been measured, with the aim of ending attacks across its border. Meanwhile Saudi Arabia leads a coalition of Arab counties, including Egypt, Jordan, Kuwait, UAE, Morocco, and Sudan, that has killed thousands of Yemeni civilians in the past couples of years. Interestingly, none of these countries has been threatened by Yemen, indeed, many of these countries are hundreds, if not thousands, of miles away from Yemen.
Peter Schaeffer (Morgantown, WV)
Are we now proposing sanctions against Israel for an assassination plot on foreign soil, or is this another instance of two law books, one for our friends and another for out enemies?
josh f (nyc)
no, we're not (proposing sanctions). are you proposing sanctions against the US for killing bin laden on foreign soil?
Mike 71 (Chicago Area)
What about the various assassinations of Israeli civilians carried out by Palestinian terrorists? What's sauce for the goose, is sauce for the gander!
H. Ajmal (Tallahassee)
Israel does stuff like this and then wonders why the world considers it a pariah.
JEG (New York, New York)
Everyone pretends that when it comes to Israel they are morally objective. But Israel allegedly tracks down and kills one Hamas operative who was engaged in obtaining technical know-how for use against Israel, and some consider Israel a pariah. But Mohammed bin Salman leads a coalition of Arab nations, including Jordan, UAE, Egypt, Sudan, Morocco, and Kuwait, among other, in a war against Yemenis, killing thousands of civilians, and no one questions why. Indeed MBS was welcomed to the United States to visit corporate leader in Silicon Valley. And the world is silent Turkey kills hundreds of Kurds again or Myanmar kills Royhinga civilians by the thousands.
KLRJ243 (RJ, Brasil.)
Terrorists are fair game wherever they live. There is no right or wrong here.
Jamie Nichols (Santa Barbara)
Hamas and the Israeli government/Mossad: two sides of the same coin. They will be murdering each other long after I, my children and grandchildren are buried because neither side possesses the courage to find peace. Yes, Israel has the "courage" to drop bombs on, and fire missiles and artillery at, Palestinians and their homes, including those where !8 members of Batash's family were killed, and to mount sneaky assassinations of those who resist Israel in the only feasibly violent ways. And Hamas has the "courage" to plant bombs on buses and in bars to kill Israelis and shoot its worthless missiles toward Israel to try to kill Israelis. Mossad is no better than Hamas and Hamas is no better than Mossad. They both thrive off cowardly murdering in the name of causes that have lost many if not most of their supporters and sympathizers. They deserve each other. But those Israelis and Palestinians who want to live in peace and dignity deserve leaders they are likely to never get. At this point Israel is in the far stronger position to change the ugly, murderous dynamics between these peoples. Its continuing refusal to do so would frustrate and anger any human being. If Israel wants to end the threats posed by Hamas, it needs to start by ending the daily humiliations of its neighbors and dispossession of their land, and by getting serious about peace. Or they can keep beating, imprisoning and killing their neighbors and see what that achieves in their future relations.
josh f (nyc)
if you think hamas and israel are morally equivalent, remind me not to ever leave my kids in your care. israel has found the courage to make numerous land-for-peace offers to the palestinians, and also to leave gaza unilaterally. when israel left gaza, they left all the agricultural industry infrastructure (greenhouses, etc.) intact. hamas found the courage to destroy all of it, lest their people benefit from something that was made by jews. hamas receives millions and millions worth of aid from the world. aid that was meant for re-building houses and neighborhoods and schools and hospitals. but they found the courage not to waste it on helping their people, and instead invest it all in digging attack tunnels into israel, in the hopes of killing and kidnapping innocent people. just a couple weeks ago, hamas found the courage to send a 7-year old girl—all alone—to the front lines of the gaza protests, courageously hoping that she might get killed (sorry, "martyred") by an israeli sniper on the other side. (she wasn't.) so if you think israel and hamas are two sides of the same coin, that really says more about you.
Jamie Nichols (Santa Barbara)
As I indicated in my comment, Hamas has done cowardly, odious and murderous things in its futile resistance against an enemy that can never be defeated--and which has blockaded and sealed off Gaza and treats its people as veritable inmates in a huge prison. Then when those prisoners act up, Israel unleashes its bombs, missiles, and artillery on them. If you lived in an enlarged prison your entire life, and it was periodically bombed and in a constant state of humiliation, would you feel so frustrated and angry that you'd join a group like Hamas? And if the people imprisoning you and denying your basic rights had killed 18 members of your family, would that cause you to join? There is a big difference between justifying or excusing what Hamas does on the one hand and trying to understand it and its actions on the other. For it is only when you try and can understand your enemy that you can make real, lasting peace. That's what I'd teach your kids if I were to watch them, for I fear they won't learn it otherwise.
StevenA59 (SF, CA)
There is no justification for terror and little sympathy for those who try to justify its use. Hamas has no claim on Jerusalem and even if it did, Palestinian acts of terror are never justified.
megachulo (New York)
"Fadi al-Batsh, a well-liked electrical engineering lecturer and devout family man, always had a smile for his friends and students in the seven years since he moved to Malaysia from his native Gaza." Talk about shaping an article. The man was involved in abetting terrorists. Good riddance.
Ted chyn (dfw)
Terrorism goes both ways. Assassination such as this invites the other side to implement the same plan for the Jews anywhere in the world.
Shane (Marin County, CA)
Antisemitism is blaming Jews everywhere for the actions of Israel and then saying they deserve what they get in response. And FYI - Hamas and Hezbollah already target Jewish institutions globally, they were doing so long before the most recent campaign by Mossad against Hamas engineers began.
PAN (NC)
So like Russia, anyone tries to escape prison is targeted for death. Israel is no different than Russia, North Korea or Hamas - all terrorists.
Walter McCarthy (Henderson, nv)
By time FOX airs this story, Israel will be the victim.
Shane (Marin County, CA)
Israel doesn't need the permission of anyone, anywhere, to protect the safety of its citizens or Jews in the diaspora. The days of Jews having to beg others for protection, pleas which usually fell on deaf ears, are over. People better start learning to deal with it.
H. Ajmal (Tallahassee)
Conversely, Israel better understand that its position as a pariah upon the world stage is further solidifying. As they say, don’t keep digging...
Shane (Marin County, CA)
Israel isn't a pariah, except maybe in the dusty, flea-bitten capitals of places like Sudan, Syria and North Korea. I'd say with enemies like those, Israel is doing just fine.
Jon Watches (New York, NY)
No one kills Jews anymore. That ended with the Nazis. Israel is perfectly clear that the cost of terrorism will be death. This terrorist made his decision, and paid justly for it
Paul P. (Arlington)
Hammas sends engineers overseas to gather know-how and weaponry.... And they wonder why they're targeted? Stupid is as Stupid Does.
B (Queens)
Israel sends engineers overseas to gather know-how and weaponry.... http://www.newsweek.com/2014/05/16/israel-wont-stop-spying-us-249757.html https://www.cnn.com/2017/01/05/opinions/limiting-israel-espionage-in-ame... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonathan_Pollard Should they be targeted next in the streets of America? Stupid is as Stupid Does. See what I did there?
lalucky (Seattle)
My son has lived in Malaysia over 10 years (and is a Muslim). He says the government is very corrupt, and in the Saudi sphere of influence because of multiple loans from the Saudis after the prime minister stole taxpayer funds and secreted them out of the country. UMNO, the 'majority' party, is always undermining potential opponents or having them thrown in jail. There is possible near-slave labor going on at the various huge plantations in Malaysia. I agree that Mossad should not be operating with assassins in foreign countries, but they also would never have been successful in having this man arrested or tried in Malaysia for terrorism. But current or former Mossad operatives have been employed in this country by Harvey Weinstein, seeking to silence and intimidate his victims...and journalists. Ronan Farrow of NYTimes has talked about being followed by Mossad for his articles in more than one publication about Weinstein. I think the Israelis can't have it both ways. If Mossad is ordered not to operate in Western democracies, then we shouldn't approve of assassinations in other nations, either. Current or former operatives being used a personal mercenaries should be outlawed.
josh f (nyc)
the people alleged to have followed ronan farrow were FORMER mossad agents. that is a pretty important distinction. the mossad does not work for harvey weinstein. those former agents work in the private sector now. meaning, obviously, that they were not acting as israeli agents in whatever activities they engaged in, regarding ronan farrow or harvey weinstein. while you may consider that unsavory, it's hardly something unique to israel. every country has soldiers/spies that go into private sector security/investigation after leaving government service.
Matt J. (United States)
I am curious what the difference is between the Russian assassination attempt in the UK and this? In both cases you have a state actor deciding to kill someone without even identifying the crime involved. Why isn't Israel being brought up before the UN like Russia was?
Paul P. (Arlington)
@Comrade Matt J. First, nix the "United States" as your 'address'. It's a dead give away that you're a cut out for Putin and his boys. Second, learn some basic facts before posting. Russian was NEVER 'brought up before the UN', and still to this day, deny the attack was at their behest. Lastly, comparing the assassination of a BOMB MAKER to that of a man and his daughter who are living peacefully in exile shows the limits of the thinking of those who continue to prop up Putin and his boy, trump.
josh f (nyc)
gee, maybe it's because the guy in malaysia was a terrorist working on developing better technology to use in new terrorist attacks. and the russian guy in london wasn't. see the difference?
Mike (G)
Skirpal was not developing weapons systems that would kill Russians, from what I understand. AND he had been traded by the Russians to the Brits.
Frustrated (Somewhere)
This devout family man and kind professor probably had no qualms blowing up Jewish kids in Israel. The proof, you ask? Look at the 10 masked and armed terrorists posted at his funeral. Its very easy for Americans to throw rocks at the Mossad but given the impossible situation they are in, I would rather prefer they succeed than the other way around, Thank you!
Joe (NOLA)
Arent some of those "Jewish kids" in Israel members or reservists in the IDF? If all Israeli civilians are potential members of the Israeli military, then I guess its fair game to go after them too. Or at least Hamas can claim the IDF conscripts were the target and the non conscripts were just collateral damage (or the preferred Israeli term "human shields"). Lets all keep that in mind the next time the Israeli public devolves into hysteria when someone gets stabbed.
robert conger (mi)
Two rules one for our enemies one for our allies .The hypocrisy of the U S government is astounding.
Paul P. (Arlington)
@robert conger Sir, you're free to move to the Palestinian Territories any time you wish. Take your views, live there, and see how long they last in the real world.
Massimo Podrecca (Fort Lee)
Israel does not want peace. It just wants another piece of Palestine.
Shane (Marin County, CA)
Israel withdrew from Gaza over 13 years ago. if it wanted Gaza, it would have stayed.
Isadore Huss (N.Y.)
To the commenters here, I guess the US had no right to violate the sovereignty of Pakistan when it went in without that government's permission to kill bin Laden. We should have let Pakistani officials know of our displeasure that he was being hosted there and counted on them to arrest him, perhaps even read him the equivalent of his Miranda rights, consider his bail application etc. Thank goodness that neither Obama in that case nor Israel in this case operated in the ridiculous fantasy land of these commenters.
Middleman MD (New York, NY)
Let anyone who thinks that the NYT editorial staff doesn't have an anti-Israel bias note that articles reflecting unflattering portrayals of Israel invariably are open to comments, in order to amplify the condescension and condemnation. Also, words matter. The target of this assassination was not a dissident, but a member of a terrorist group that even European countries otherwise sympathetic to the Palestinians agree is a terrorist group. Frankly this is scarcely different from the United States' approach to enemy combatants in Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Robert (NYC)
We don't know who did this, whether Israel or someone else. It's all cloak and dagger stuff What we do know is he was bad guy and is dead. Good news, I say.
l (doigan)
Those that criticize Israel quickly forget how Hamas fired rockets from school yards and hospitals so Hamas could act in outrage about how the Israeli's killed innocents when the Israelis retaliated to protect their citizenry as was their right. This "suicide by Israeli" is the more sophisticated analog of suicide bombing by Hamas because the Israelis pulled the trigger and got blamed for it. Unfortunately more martyrs and therefore more hatred of Israel came into being. I'm truly tired of the chicken and egg aspect of who harmed whom last and in what magnitude but put the blame where it belongs. Moreover, as of now and despite the tenor of the article, there is no proof Israel is behind this killing.
Cloudy (San Francisco)
So comments are finally open on this article. Do apologists for the Israeli government really understand what a violation of international law this is? Or what the potential consequences could be? Is it ok if China goes around shooting dissidents in the U.S.? Saudi Arabia? Other countries have every right to be wary. Perhaps a shutdown of Israeli tourism in Southeast Asia is on the way.
Majortrout (Montreal)
Does the United States really understand what a violation of International Law is when they do the same thing?
josh f (nyc)
"cloudy" judgement—this man was not a "dissident", like the ones China persecutes—he was a terrorist, as presented in the article.
John (NYC)
He’s not a dissident he’s an enemy soldier operating in a foreign land developing weapons to be used to attack a sovereign state.
JS (Minnetonka, MN)
It's important to distinguish between Israel and the Israeli hard right who never met a problem that couldn't be solved with brute force. Until Israeli voters, including underrepresented Palestinians, turn the government around, Mossad will continue to execute the long-term solution of killing enough bad guys one at a time.
David (California)
Assassinating someone in a foreign country is presumptively a serious violation of international law and norms. The burden is on Israel to prove that this assassination was justified. Very little evidence is provided in this article as justification for the murder. The public needs more than mere unsubstantiated allegations. The Netanyahu government's disdain for world opinion and norms is bad for Israel and only stokes the fires of antisemitism.
Mike 71 (Chicago Area)
What about the Hezbollah murder of Israeli tourists in Bulgaria, the murder of 241 Marines in their barracks in Beirut, the bombings of the Israeli Embassy in. Buenos Aires and then the Jewish Community Center in. the same city, the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center in. New York City, among others? There is an. old Marine Corps adage about "Payback," which cannot be repeated in its entirety in a family newspaper, but in essence, "what goes around, comes around!" As the aggressors, the terrorists can define their own "Rules of Engagement," but when Israel, or the U.S. applies those same "R.O.E." against the terrorists, they have no basis for complaint!
Michael Hoffman (Pacific Northwest)
Quote: "In 2014, his (Batsh’s) uncle, Tayseer al-Batsh, the Gaza police chief, was nearly killed by Israeli airstrikes. Eighteen members of the Batsh family died in those raids.” 18 members of his family were killed in an Israeli bombings (“raids”). 18! That’s an astonishing figure. This guy was a survivor of state terrorism that wiped out 18 family members, but he’s the terrorist? Furthermore, the headline for this article should have been, “Mossad assassins strike in Malaysia,” but that would have been too truthful.
josh f (nyc)
yes, you got that right—he is the terrorist.
Paul P. (Arlington)
So, Mr. Hoffman You'll take the (alleged) word of his uncle? I've got some land to sell, you'll love it, I promise........
ST (New York)
Oh yes the "kind professor" whose "passion was education" - thank you NYT for this moving tribute to a ruthless killer - The evil Israeli empire strikes again, huh? If only it was so easy to stop everyone bent on Israel's destruction, good job Mossad, no one else is going to help. Of course the Israel bashers will have a field day declaring this a violation of international law, as if they even have a clue what they are talking about - this man was a combatant and fair game. A call for sanctions against Israel, really? These are the kind of people that would run crying for retribution the second their interests were threatened and would not mind the methods, the hypocrisy is so tough to swallow. Bottom line, not only was this a great mission by Mossad, the US should be taking notes.
Majortrout (Montreal)
I thought I was reading an article about the USA. What happened in Iraq 2 times under the Bushes? Let he who is without sin cast the first stone!
penney albany (berkeley CA)
Israel has no right to assassinate scientists and engineers in another country. Israel is defending itself against human rights. The people of Gaza are forced into a ghetto and shot if they go near the fence. Returning to their homes which they were forced out of by Israel is repelled by the IDF. Every sniper shot is approved and recorded by military generals. So killing children such as Alaa Zamli aged 15 and Mohammad Ayoub age 14 is acceptable to Israel and its supporters.
Majortrout (Montreal)
Children shouldn't be demonstrating when the Israelis have clearly warned people not to go near the wire fences! The slingshots that young Arab children wield are not exactly peace symbols!
B (Queens)
Right, cause slingshots and guns are equivalent. Are you serious?
Mike (New York City)
A slingshot warrants deadly force? Equivalent of someone name calling you and you return fire with a machine gun.
Mike (New York City)
Very recently Israeli Snipers have gunned down roughly 40 Palestinians. Murdered from a long range distance. Several were media members wearing vests identifying them as such. This is a human rights violation. Now the open and brazen assassination on a sovereign nation's soil? The sanctions applied to Russia should apply here as well.
Quantangles (NYC)
MIke: I see that you are Policeman, Judge and Jury ? Using Hamas statistics as gospel? There should be no bias there! I think you should go to Gaza and spend time on the front line there collecting evidence. It should be a fun gig.
Middleman MD (New York, NY)
Attempting to breach a border fence originally constructed to keep out suicide bombers is not a non-violent protest. In addition, hurling rocks, Molotov cocktails and other incendiary devices is not typically something that we in the US would consider to be non-violent protest. But we all know that in the eyes of many, violence against Jews, and Israelis in particular, does not count as violence against human beings. How else could one logically conclude that the inhumane IDF is firing on innocent Palestinians who represent no threat whatsoever?
David (California)
But it's OK for Israel to be police, judge and jury?
Rosalie Lieberman (Chicago, IL)
The connection of Hamas to North Korea should raise some eyebrows. Unfortunately, for those who are anti-Israel, everything is fair game, including the aforementioned.
josh f (nyc)
thanks for your expert clarification. the article apparently included erroneous information, which isn't surprising since they didn't consult you beforehand.
Geoff (Malaysia)
I'm surprised that this article doesn't at least ask questions about the legality or morality of Israel taking actions like this. Also quoting the Israeli government as saying they denying any role without noting that they wouldn't admit it even if they had is misleading
Casual Observer (Los Angeles)
Terrorism is a cruel and merciless tactic. Those who use it should expect retribution for it. I have no sympathy for humans who coldly murder innocents to intimidate others into compliance with their demands. But payback can and has been directed at some who were indirectly responsible which slips payback into feud, and that is when it leads to the killing of other innocents.
Grover (Kentucky)
The behavior of the state of Israel und thus matter is barbaric and clearly in violation of international law. Israel should be subject to the same sanctions that followed Russian assassination of a former spy in the UK. International condemnation and a boycott are the only ways to end Israel's unethical actions.
Seatant (New York, NY)
Apples and oranges. Batsh was in Malaysia to research and acquire weapon systems and drones for Hamas, whose stated goal is war with and destruction of Israel. You play with fire, sometimes you get burned.
Rosalie Lieberman (Chicago, IL)
Is it ethical for Hamas to clearly advocate the destruction of the Jewish state, and murdering not only its Jews, but Jews across the world? Terrorist organizations have to be dealt with seriously, not emulated. If you wish to condemn, then first do so to our country, which eliminated many terrorists overseas, Bin Laden foremost. Being anti-Israel isn't a virtue. It's part and parcel of being anti-Jewish.
Jacob (New York)
Skripal wasn't actively working on devising ways to murder civilians. But other than that minor detail, yeah, totally the same.