Gatherings Should Be Limited to 10 People, Trump Says

President Trump recommended strict new guidelines, but they fell short of what experts wanted. France and the San Francisco Bay Area are ordering residents to stay home as much as possible.

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  1. Good to here someone (in this case Jérôme Salomon) counter this constant "It's only serious for the elderly and immune compromised" drum beat. That message, while intended to reduce panic, has been too often pushed. It leads to people taking social distancing and other measures less seriously. The rest of the population (younger and relatively healthy) contribute more to the spread of this or any virus than the high risk folks, simply because they are out and about more and have more social contacts/interactions. It's everyone's responsibility to slow the spread, regardless of personal risk level. Don't panic, but please be responsible & stay well.

  2. @Darrel Indeed, Darrel. And not to forget that the younger ones are also the ones that buy dirt cheap airlines tickets below $100 and think the virus would spare them. They are the ones that might carry it around and make it worse in their 'holiday' destinations.

  3. @Darrel Healthy senior citizens can also spread it plenty. Who do you think patronizes the ballet, the opera, the philharmonic, and the theater? Huge auditoriums filled with mostly the over 65+ (I used to work in performing arts administration, so I know first hand). I don't know who spreads it "more" or "less". We all have to do what we can do.

  4. @kfm I absolutely agree that "We all have to do what we can" and that everyone has the potential to spread the virus. I was just expressing concern that over emphasis of "It's only serious for the elderly and immune compromised" and "The young and healthy, will only experience mild symptoms" messaging was contributing to (and sometimes being used as an excuse for) unwise behavior.

  5. My wife and I spent the weekend quietly at home. We are both in our 60’s. My son did go to his job over the weekend and my daughter was at her boyfriends. The unprecedented closing of schools and limiting bars and restaurants to delivery and take out makes sense forcing the young to take this more seriously. I’m afraid we have a ways to go before we turn the corner.

  6. @mlb4ever I’m in Savannah GA they canceled the St Patrick’s Day Parade about a week ago. These people started flooding our city this past Friday. Now it’s brimming with partying young spring breakers. I’d bet if the mayor closed all the bars and restaurant, maybe not even the restaurants, they’d be fast gone. The more careful older visitors have canceled their reservations and are not coming. That tells you who is the responsible ones

  7. @mlb4ever I concur.

  8. We’ll get through this, no reason to consider COVID19 an existential threat to humanity. Thing is, lessons we’re learning about shoddy governmental action, global denial, panic buying, hoarding and counterproductive partisanship demonstrate a glaring ineptitude that also impacts climate change, a far greater calamity. If a world rich in resources, education, science and technology cannot do better in its battle with a newly-minted virus, what hope have we for solving a problem carrying an “extinction “ tag?

  9. The testing protocols are backwards! If you recently traveled to a CV19 hot spot, have most symptoms, etc, then you should be labeled a presumed case, no need to waste a test. It’s the “no-known contact with some symptoms” that need to be tested in order to identify any new infection route. It the “edges” of the infection spread that need to be identified, not the obvious and known core. For example, a young otherwise healthy cardiologist that went on pleasure trip to Vietnam and comes back with symptoms should be tested. A returning tourist from northern Italy with all symptoms should labeled as presumed positive without wasting a test. If tests are rationed, they need to be used for greatest good, not to state the obvious.

  10. @MykGee anyone coming back from Europe self quarantines for two weeks, very simple.

  11. @MykGee no, the problem is that a 10 cent test than can be read by someone with limited training is not widely available. The WHO sells test kits in whatever quantity you need for $3.00 per kit, and each kit can be used for up to 92 tests. Our $3000 test kits can't be read without using a "reagent" that is now unavailable. S. Korean kits are available in lots of 100,000 and were already instrumental in limiting the S. Korean infestation. Regular testing of medical workers dealing with Coronavirus cases should be done routinely (weekly?) to keep infected medical workers away from a vulnerable population. Self-quarantining rather than testing is completely destructive of the productivity of our economy. Consider dentists, hygienists, barbers, store workers... who must interact with others to do their jobs. "Self-quarantining if you may have been exposed" is not viable for a large fraction of our population unless they go without working. Tests can be routinely available and dirt cheap. Trading 14 days of a person's life to avoid having to "waste" a test that should cost about $.03 in materials and another $1.00 -> $5.00 to administer is not a reasonable use of resources.

  12. Why not place the limit even lower, for example to 5 people? Why is Sunday Mass or any other church gatherings still being conducted?

  13. @P Generally, masses ARE canceled.

  14. The global onset of Coronavirus stress tests the responsiveness of political leaders at all levels. Some get high marks. Others, such as Trump, are part of the problem. In the U.S., the fragility of a chronically underfunded public health care system have been exposed. Seeming ineffectual communications and collaboration among local, state and federal public health officials reveals systemic challenges. Meanwhile, the socio-economic ramifications from closing certain facilities expose our most vulnerable populations to loss of income and inaccessibility to critical healthcare needs. How will those rendered temporarily unemployed pay for food and rent? Hopefully, survivors of this pandemic will learn lessons and fund basic healthcare and economic support systems.

  15. It is presumed by the CDC that most people in the country will become infected which is why all we can do individually is to isolate ourselves to the extent possible and when venturing out maintain least a six foot distance from people in lightly occupied rooms This virus is not a gas, it doesn't float around. It is transferred by people by the action of sneezing, coughing, or ejecting "spittle" while talking all of which settles on surfaces. So touch things with that in mind and was very soon after. As for the virus, like all viruses once separated from its living host cell, it has a limited life depending on temperature, humidity, and exposure to sunlight. And by the way, microwaving for 15-30 seconds of things like leather gloves (with no metal on them) will kill bacteria and viruses.

  16. Please don’t microwave anything - some gloves have barely visible embedded touch-screen technology and this can burst into flames in a microwave. Ask me how I know.... ,:-D

  17. This is reminds me of the time I attended a wedding at a Trump Golf Course. The staff was rude and incompetent, the steaks were tasteless and freezer burned, and the bar’s output seemed intentionally slow. Eventually the bride was reduced to tears over their lack of follow through in managing her event, and needed consoling. There were pictures of Donald and Ronald everywhere looking very proud of all their very huge accomplishments. Luckily, I made sure to grab a free copy of Trump magazine, it will prove helpful now that every roll of toilet paper in the free world has been hoarded. Stay safe. We will all need to be our own vigilant leaders during this crisis. Be helpful and an ally to your fellow humans. Those that recognized his incompetence are having our greatest fears realized, and then some. The heroes are going to be the Doctors and Nurses handling the sick in droves not the self congratulating politicians. Godspeed.

  18. @JLNM Careful, you might get an eczema or worse. Those magazines sound toxic.

  19. It is mind blowing to me, a non-medical/ non-scientific person, that the CDC still thinks 50 people together doesn’t present opportunity for contagion !!! IMHO, in the absence of National leadership from this president, all individual State Governors should follow European counterparts and CLOSE IT ALL DOWN now before we get to the same casualty figures they are experiencing. I believe the figures are going to blow up fast, especially after seeing the thousands of people jammed into lines, elbow-to-elbow over the weekend at airports. Think about it - if the average person who contracts it infects 8 people, there should be NO gatherings of any size! Pay now, or pay later AFTER thousands have died.

  20. From a friend in China about how to stay safe while shopping for groceries: “We have stayed at home for almost 50 days. At present, some companies are gradually returning to work. Teachers and students at all schools are still online. There are two ways for shopping in China: 1. When people go to the supermarket to buy food, we require everyone to wear a mask to enter the supermarket, the supermarket entrance is also measuring everyone's temperature. People with normal temperature are allowed to go shopping. I go and buy a lot, and then go again almost a week later, which reduces the chance of going out. There is also a time to go to the supermarket to choose fewer people. Avoid the crowds caused by people. It is best to keep a distance of more than one meter between two people when selecting goods or when checking out. Remember to wash your hands when you get home. 2. We can now also place an order from our mobile phone at home, and then have groceries delivered to an area around our residence, and go downstairs to get it ourselves. This also avoids contact with more people. Because there are many people you don't know the specific health status of. I hope you will be safe through this extraordinary period.”

  21. Are They still doing this now?

  22. Thanks to your friend for sharing this helpful information with others.

  23. @JGM Yes.

  24. America, from businesses to families to individuals are used to living on borrowed money and borrowed time. “I’ll be happy when,” working overtime to provide for the children’s education later while ignoring the children now. The entire stock market is a house of cards ready to topple at the slightest hiccup, forget a major crisis. Businesses often float on the promise of profits down the road. Our supply chains stretch across the world, have multiple single sources of potential failure, and this includes American’s *food supply chain* from tractor parts to chemicals such as fertilizer, and items like seed. The US doesn’t have a *single* operating Blast Furnace to produce our own steel. The last one closed over a decade ago. Nearly everything we use and buy daily comes from somewhere else or parts of it does or the means to create them does. Very little is made entirely in locally. And this is true all over the world, but especially in America. Companies, stretching to make the absolute most profits, bend over backwards to save pennies wherever possible with absolutely no thought to America’s or American’s wellbeing, present or future, the environment, its own employees, even in many cases the company’s long-term viability – Executive bonuses are based on quarterly and annual performance, not longevity of the company. In other words, we are ridiculously vulnerable to crises. .

  25. Corporate greed.

  26. @SMcStormy Excellent evaluation. Going forward, how will the US again plan for some level of self sufficiency

  27. @SMcStormy/I did some additional research and while I remember reading about the closure of the last Blast Furnace, it appears the US is still producing steel. I wanted to correct my error in the original post. The rest of it I still stand by however.... .

  28. Is there a test to see if you recently HAD Covid-19?

  29. @Susan Cohen Right, as you imply that's a different sort of test (one that looks for Covid-19 antibodies). All current tests look for the actual virus. Last I heard, those antibody tests are in the works, but not yet available.

  30. I live in Ontario and if the idea is that governments limit gatherings of over 50 people to one venue then that would close all the Costco ,Walmart and major department stores indefinitely. Personally until the Dow reaches 13,000 I do not see why anyone would enter this market, Its only down hill from here.

  31. @Frank Talarico MD Obviously or just stating what is obvious? People are entering the market a little soon as by buying at this time is far to premature. paitence is a virtue. I think I can pick all the stocks listed on New York and Toronto exchanges for close to half of what they are trading for at this moment. Entering now means the buyer is to optimistic. But I am not that optimistic given what is taking place. 13.000 is where I would enter.

  32. @Frank Talarico MD "Demand will return!" Yes, so will the Lord...someday.

  33. Sitting here at home wondering if I should or shouldn’t go to work.

  34. @LBL Don't go.

  35. @Andy G. Andy is right...do not go to work!

  36. Why isn't the government doing everything in its power to mass-produce what would make the most difference in people's survival----more ventilators?

  37. Because the American government does not DO anything anymore—it all Privatization. Plus, all that stuff is Made In China, so we can physically produce those products. It’s not like in 1938, a factory of people cranking stuff out for the war effort—all of that is in China now.

  38. Bc like your medications, plastic bags that hold IV’s, masks - are made in China.

  39. The people who are not heeding tithe directives and staying in should be reminded that when a hospital system is overwhelmed, your accident, heart attack, stroke, OD will have a delayed response. It’s not about “old people” it’s about everyone that can have a health issue that may not be addressed as quickly as it should bc the doctors and nurses are beyond capacity. Stay the heck in!

  40. It's unfortunate that... Xi's government can't be trusted (the figures related to coronavirus China has been putting out seem especially low, given how we're now seeing the pandemic manifest itself elsewhere, and given the fact that the Chinese government did nothing for at least the first 2-3 months of the original outbreak), and that Trump is president (without a doubt, he has seriously undermined, delayed, and mucked up the federal government response to the pandemic).

  41. How quickly you forget how things were in China in February and the measures they took to contain and mitigate. Their February numbers were reliable because they are now happening everywhere. The rapidly dwindling rates now are a result of their response. Unfortunately, having squandered our time to prepare, and failing to act in time, we are not likely to soon see the steady drop that they now enjoy. We did too little too late.

  42. please read various sources of Asian news before you made any false speculations.

  43. We need to go on lockdown now. The authorities waited too long. When the disaster becomes apparent, the slow wake to reality by de Blasio, Cuomo, and Trump will be lumped together. The mayor and Trump especially belong to a bizarre kind of denial. Cuomo is at least saying the right thing ahead of the curve. But actions? He’s only a few days ahead. Real leaders would be weeks ahead. With that in mind, notice how none of them are really telling us what’s coming. Do they not know? Or are they too scared? Can they see beyond a week? We need versions of the truth, and a range of scenarios for the year (and beyond) in plain language. We need them to stop reacting, start acting, and start explaining. We need vision, direction, and foresight. Leaders wake up.

  44. @X. de Blasio and Cuomo are not supported by legions of healthcare experts, pandemic specialist and economists. I don't expect them to be able to "really tell us what's coming", not with great precision. The US government, on the other hand, has massive resources if only they were managed properly.

  45. If you want to know what’s coming look at Italy, Spain and France. Why would the US be any different?

  46. @X Fun Facts.... 1. The CDC reports that new cases of covid-19 have dropped to almost ZERO over the weekend. 2. The common cold is also a coronavirus.... Covid19 is actually just the 19th version of COrona VIrus Disease. Because the virus's are so similar, its hard for doctors to diagnose a difference between them. Did you stock up on Toilet Paper this weekend?

  47. Never have I been more proud of my Emergency Room RN daughter - and never have I been more concerned for her. Irony? We were supposed to be boarding a plane for a short little 3 day vacation to NYC starting tomorrow morning. We were going to see the St. Patrick’s Day parade, see plays, go to museums, eat great NYC food in restaurants, laugh in Times Square. The decision to not go, by me last weekend, as a senior who is also a nurse, seemed a little overly cautious perhaps at the time. At least my ER daughter thought so....at the time. Last weekend seems a long, long, long time ago. Now, as a mom, my worries are overwhelming. Will there be enough protective equipment? Who will be coming into the ER where my daughter, who also worked in a NYC ER once upon a time, will be serving? How will my grandson, her son, be affected? Will he be worried about his mom, too, like Mima is? In one week, it’s a whole different United States. A whole different New York. Our hearts are torn, yes, in one week. Who would think?

  48. Write Governor Cuomo *now* and tell him to halt New York State's new plastic-bag ban. Reusable bags can spread the coronavirus and other germs. Reusable bags are not machine washable in hot water, the store shelves are bare of topical disinfectants for wiping them down, and people are just not going to clean them every day or more.

  49. @joan - Yes, it's really bad timing for the New York bag ban to kick in. It should be temporarily undone.

  50. @joan talk about being low on the list of things to worry about right now...

  51. David Leonhardt's piece yesterday about Trump's continual attempts to down play the seriousness of the novel corona-virus is a must read. As our nation deals with the disruptions that are coming do not forget that with a more ethical and saner leader do not forget that this could have been handled much better. He needs to go now. Why wait until November.

  52. In the United States, scientists expect that the death toll could range from the tens of thousands to 1.7 million. The administration could have acted earlier. Instead, Trump dismissed it as a hoax. Trump did nothing. History will not forgive him, and neither should the American people.

  53. @Rod American people don't seem to care for the deaths caused by guns, drugs, traffic or any other diseases due to lack of healthcare insurance. What makes you think they'll care for the tens of thousands or worst case millions of death cases due to corona? People only start caring when they themselves are affected.

  54. We in the USA have perpetual amnesia. Trump will be forgiven next week and on and on and on. It never ends, the stupidity here.

  55. @Rod I don't think at this pont in time it has much effect on the MAGA crowd. Along with trump and Hannity they think this is all a hoax. In the end they will blame anyone but themselves and trump.

  56. Most Americans live check-to-check, have little savings, credit cards are maxed out, loans for cars, that living room furniture set the family could barely afford that had 0% interest for a year is now being paid for at 29% 3 years later. We acquired two new, nearly unavoidable utilities: Broadband and the family Cellular bill. Work often requires employees to be reached 24/7 by phone, text, email. Many work from home after work hours. Schools expect students to access the internet for homework, research and everyone considers a cell phone critical to safety for children and adults alike. These two new monthly bills often rival the heating/cooling bill. Yet, very few families changed their finances or spending to take into consideration these costs. They just borrowed more. $1000 cell phones were bought on purchase plans often dramatically raising the monthly costs. College educations were purchased and the schools and governments left financing this education to highly predatory financial institutions who, upon a missed payment, jumped the interest rates astronomically. Late fees are steep and soon the students are under water. As a result, few families are prepared for anyone to lose their job and several people not being paid for weeks will result in financial ruin for families across the country. And the Reps (and some Dems) passed legislation making bankruptcy harder to qualify for and offering less protection. We are not prepared..... .

  57. @bud Take some economy classes, how do you think your capitalist system works? If people stopped spending, people would lose their jobs and the economy would crash. How about you take your own advice and live exactly the way you expect those people whom you are telling to stop spending. Or would that be too inconvenient for you. You probably live from those people's spending behaviour and don't even realize it. Your wealth is based on people taking credit and going into debt.

  58. @SMcStormy 1.5 trillion to banks though. 50 billion in business loans as relief. .25% interest by the fed. Their approach is to create more debt. It's pretty hilarious when you think about it. The debt bubble is about to burst. My fear is the likelihood of a totalitarian state as a result.

  59. @SMcStormy One of those Dems who passed legislation making bankruptcy harder to qualify for and offering less protection is Joe Biden.

  60. I remember watching the Trump-Clinton Presidential debates and hearing Trump proudly remark he would surround himself with the smartest, most talented advisors. He neglected to say he would not get along with almost all of them, that almost all would be fired or quit, nor that he would not listen to their advice. That he neglected to say. Here we are in the midst of a health crisis, a country wrecked by the narcissism of an unfit leader.

  61. Expecting such a small man to listen to much smarter men and women was always a fantasy. His character was obvious to anyone who cared and understood that character is of vital importance.

  62. @Steve If the dems had someone other than Hillary, a member of the establishment, an accolyte of Kissinger, the wife of the man who signed NAFTA, etc, etc. we would not have trump now. We're tired of the establishment with their republican lite, business first, working class last beliefs. The democratic establishment contributed to this mess.

  63. @Everyman : We agree on this. And yet. I remember a friend in the 90s saying that Democrats and Republicans are the same. Then came the ginned up Iraq war, which would never have happened under a Democratic president. If millions of Americans die of covid, your better-than-though proclamations will ring cold.

  64. Time to think about an emergency universal basic income. This could and likely will go on for months. Many people are ALREADY living paycheck to paycheck as it is, how are people going to pay their rent if their jobs disappear?

  65. Now the Federal Reserve can look back at the unnecessary rate cuts done last year apparently for political purposes and have buyers remorse. Another Republican president, another recession.

  66. @tom And another Democrat President will have to be elected to fix the Republican's economic blunders, just like Clinton and Obama. Hello President Biden!

  67. @tom rates were 0% with tons of QE during the entire Obama presidency.

  68. @tom Now it just remains to be seen what Democratic president will have to clean up another Republican mess.

  69. If the US cannot buy the German Vaccine company then they will steal the technology and block the use of their vaccine in the US.

  70. Trump is the source of our failure in the face of the coronavirus. Iran, with 90 million people, is huge, so the 800 deaths there from coronavirus are trivial. Italy, with 70 million people, is huge. It's 2,000 deaths from the virus are minor. The US only has 325 million people. America's 65 coronovirus deaths, a huge number, illustrate Trump's incompetence.

  71. @Diogenes deaths can be trivial?

  72. @Diogenes What you don't take into consideration is the impact of large numbers of seriously ill patients who are taxing the hospitals and healthcare workers, and impacting care for those victims of coronavirus and others with serious illnesses. In Italy it has come to the point where doctors are rationing care, deciding who can be saved and who may not survive. I'm sure the families of the 2865 victims of coronavirus that you have mentioned don't think their deaths are minor or trivial. Hopefully, no one you are close to joins that list.

  73. @Diogenes — Not so trivial is our tendency to report the truth when it cones to infection statistics. Countries like Iran and China can and do call a death by fever something different, like an unfortunate accident unrelated. That’s a big problem with one government dictatorships. We’re complaining about our current administration, but around the world, complainers get thrown in prison!

  74. It's not hard to detect some inconsiderate and selfish players in this drama because you can observe them lined up at bars and restaurants. They will not do what's best for their fellow citizens until they are forced to. This has become a culture in the U.S. because we do not unite for the better good. There was a time when we did but many younger people have never experienced war time shortages or any inconveniences at all.

  75. @R. Anderson so the 2008 financial crisis didn’t happen? College grads didn’t have to live with their parents cause they couldn’t find jobs? Housing isn’t so prohibitively expensive that even folks in coveted jobs struggle to purchase homes?

  76. I found the following two news items to be especially sobering, An official in France released a statement reminding citizens that of all the patients in their intensive care units now, fully half are younger than age 60. Really shocking. And the other report is about 2 emergency room doctors also now in critical condition, one in NJ and the other in WA. I always flinch when people describe what China did as "draconian', because I don't think it was excessive, it was what had to be done. We must continue to educate the resistant among us.

  77. I believe the lower age may be do to the more lax use of cigarettes.

  78. @RickF - I'm concerned about all our vaping young people here in the US. Will many of them wind up in hospitals on ventilators?

  79. Who would have thought that WWIII would be fought against the tiniest, most primitive life form of all, a virus. All of our tanks and guns and bombs will not help us. That's where we are now, at war. And our fearless leader let his fear of economic decline cause him to be three months late to the battlefield. In the meantime, our enemy has been silently taking up positions all over the world, multiplying and readying its assault. The virus is on the attack and we have little power to stop it. It will spread. Seven billion people cannot self isolate for three months in their homes. We have to produce the goods and services that keep people society afloat. That cannot happen if we are all placed on house arrest. The goal of the isolation is to slow the spread so as not to overwhelm the hospitals. That is a good strategy which will save many lives, but the virus will still spread. In the meantime, the global economy will experience a severe decline. Tax cuts will not help. The government may have to issue payments to individuals so they can buy food and keep a roof over their heads as many cannot work from home. Even those that can and do, such as myself who own a home based business, what are we supposed to do when our customers stop buying? Our income then goes to zero. There are about 20 million households in my situation. It's easy to lead when everything is going right. Great leaders rise to the occasion. Trump makes excuses and denies responsibility.

  80. @Bruce Rozenblit “ Who would have thought that WWIII would be fought against the tiniest, most primitive life form of all, a virus?” H. G. Wells

  81. @Bruce Rozenblit Who would have thought? Hundreds of thousands of epidemiologists, biologists, and other scientists.

  82. Who would have thought?....my high school biology/chem teacher....mid-1960s.

  83. It boggles the mind that Trump constantly reminds us that we have the best military in the world, yet we were so wholly unprepared for this entirely predictable event. We have 13 aircraft carriers and no face masks or ventilators. It's time for the citizens of the United States to reevaluate their priorities and elect officials who think creatively about potential threats.

  84. @Jason In addition, the pure profit based capitalism and so called 'free market' is also the cause of the current issues. 3M has most of the factories in China for cheap labor and need based inventory w/o any concerns for risk management

  85. @Jason We really have 20 aircraft carriers, if you include amphibious assault ships (that would be counted as carriers by any other country). I agree with your point, though.

  86. @Jason The United States is over-prepared for a war that does not exist. Almost 20% of our GNP is spent on the military. Sure, it is a massive jobs and pork barrel operation. I'm very disappointed in the generals who have completely missed this threat. Don't get me started on the myopic reality TV personality who has bankrupted or poisoned everything he has touched, and is now applying his "magic" to the entire nation.

  87. Maybe someone can turn this idea into practical help. Years ago I read on the chemistry of hydrogen peroxide (I forgot where), which can be used as a disinfectant. After WWI, at the time of the Spanish Flu, hydrogen peroxide was used as a disinfectant on the ships that brought American troops back from Europe, with the hydrogen peroxide being generated by simple devices based on electrolysis of water. Every ship had its own device. Now I do not know whether hydrogen peroxide also works against the coronavirus, but if it does, it should be possible to construct simple, cheap devices to generate also cheap disinfectant that could be used to sterilize objects such as mouth caps, for which there is at the moment a large shortage. This would be especially helpful in dentistry. Maybe some of the readers know more about this and in particular contemporary practical or commercial applications? The literature is so vast, I could not find more info on this use of hydrogen peroxide on a large scale.

  88. Why isn’t the NYSE closed for trading? Seems to me that that is a large group of people that is engaging in very unnecessary activity.

  89. Most trades are executed electronically. The floor is no longer crowded. It’s more of a TV stage now than anything else. That’s part of the problem. The lack of floor specialists who made markets and were charged with maintaining orderly trading have contributed to the increased volatility.

  90. Taking interest rates to 0 from 1% is not going to make people going to work if shutdowns occur throughout the economy. Buying bonds and mortgage backed securities makes sense to provide the banking system with liquidity and prevent a "freezing" of credit markets. But the Fed has few bullets left in its tool kit and these conventional policy tools are unlikely to provide much relief to the stock market. Fear rules right now. At this point, perhaps better measures would be to shut down trading altogether and propose major fiscal measures primarily directed to those Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck. This is a national emergency after all.

  91. If the Fed bails out the lending industry, it is imperative they also reduce consumer's debt accordingly unlike 2008 in which the money went directly to the lenders without reducing consumer's debt whose taxes paid for the bailout in the first place.

  92. Here in Michigan far to many people aren’t taking this seriously. The decision to close the schools especially colleges like U of M has resulted in a surge of adolescents and young adults with to little to do congregating in public spaces at close quarters. It is especially true in mixed use spaces such as local food stores with cafe / internet access. This is the very antithesis of the CDC guidance regarding social distancing. Meanwhile volunteer based services are already overwhelmed and the immune compromised, older adults and others are self segregating without adequate support. We are experiencing a haphazard fragmented response with inconsistent direction from the authorities. By the time everyone gets their act together the opportunity to stop the spread will have passed. This is the worst possible time to have such a desperately incompetent federal administration in place. I fear for the future and dread the present. We are simply unprepared for the many challenges ahead.

  93. In my neighborhood yesterday crowds of young people were hanging out in the parks.

  94. @John Chastain Because they are daft and think that they are untouchable. Till they aren't.

  95. Just in case you young folks wondered what life was like before the polio vaccine, this is a good analogy. Once the virus made its presence known in the community, many gatherings were banned, movie houses closed, etc. It was a haunting feeling when a kid in the neighborhood became afflicted. Mother Nature can be a cruel mistress with her harshest lessons.

  96. Then they shunned the children whose parents got them the vaccine. I was one of them.

  97. @Joyce I don't remember that, and I was one of the first to get the vaccine as a first grader in the Washington DC area

  98. Dr. Luciana Borio, May 7, 2018, White House - Director for Medical and Biodefense Preparedness: "Influenza is a priority to the White House, and represents both a health security and a national security threat. Today, however, we cannot respond with the speed that we need to. Are we ready to respond to a pandemic? I fear the answer is no” May 8, 2018: Trump fired Dr. Luciana Borio, & closed-down her White House department Medical and Biodefense Preparedness, which was part of the National Security Council.

  99. @I Gadfly I'd love to see and interview with Dr Borio. Has there been once recently ?

  100. @I Gadfly Trump's response: "I don't know anything about that. I didn't do it. You would have to ask someone in my administration." Nice leadership.

  101. This is the scariest time I have ever encountered. My old NJ town just instituted a downtown walking ban unless it's for groceries or pharmacies to stop the spread of the virus. Major bans on restaurants, bars, small businesses and social events will certainly help to stop the spread as well. My old NJ hairdresser was still going out to restaurants this past weekend in spite of the news and said she was careful and carried Purell. I couldn't even speak after that. Other old friends are staying home and going nowhere. These past few weeks, the news changes almost hourly. If we can stop the spread by staying in, I say let's do it- learn how to cook, read a book, clean a closet, write an old fashioned letter, thank your family, work on spring cleaning, look at old photographs, clear out some clutter, or start thinking about your spring plantings. Hunker down and stay positive! xoxo

  102. Looking at the data some countries such as Germany and South Korea have lower death rates from CV below one percent when looking at reported cases to the death rate. These countries have screened cases and reported them even when symptoms are mild and have made vigorous attempts to identify and treat the sickest. It seems that denial and delays cost lives and the US with Trump's lack of leadership has done just that.

  103. According to World Health Organization, the outbreak in Europe now is worse than what was the worst in China. Clearly, the civil liberty has made the outbreak so much worse. We need to rethink globalization and rebalancing civil liberty.

  104. @S. C. Really? You are a proponent of having the military patrol American streets to be sure everyone remains indoors? You are for the government tracking all citizens' phones to monitor their whereabouts? What do you think needs to be "rebalanced" as far as civil liberties are concerned? As for globalization, I assume you mean restricted travel. You would ban travel to foreign countries?

  105. What's interesting is that if we had more hospital/ICU/vent capacity we could've told high risk ppl to quarantine and kept the world open. This is as much a health system issue as it is a coronavirus issue.

  106. Why do the liberal Europeans close borders? One reason, perhaps not the only one, is that different ruling on both sides make people cross the border for to "panic-buy" in the less restricted area. Therefore there had been traffic jams and emptied supermarkets... Closed borders may cure this (workers still are allowed to cross borders to reach their jobs).

  107. @W.D.John nope! It’s because we try to contain the virus and make sure we don’t spread it to much.

  108. Evictions and water/electricity turned off for non-payment....someone, I hope, is flipping an emergency switch to avoid the considerable added misery if this is allowed to happen.

  109. I don’t know about landlords, but here in Oregon, all major utilities have said there will be no service disconnections for non-payment during this crisis.

  110. This shatters the illusion that schools and colleges are the safest place for children to be by announcing that young people would be safer anywhere but out schools and colleges. Homeschooling and computer instruction may be the future of education, especially considering that diseases like this, which have killed 70 people in the United States, happen every few years. This could also mark the end of bar, restaurant and theater culture for the same reason. Out of an abundance of caution, we will now get our entertainment and social experiences from the television,

  111. @Rick Call me old-fashioned, but I think that human contact is a bit more resilient a phenomenon than you assume.

  112. The Great Depression. The Crash of 2008. The Pandemic of 2020. Thanks for yet another great disaster, GOP.

  113. When I was in the U.S. Army, there was a republican to the left of me and a democrat to the right and we didn’t care one darn bit about each other’s politics! When it comes to the blame game, you’re not lifting the carpet of shame enough and when it comes to working together right now, you’re not meeting the challenge!

  114. @William Perrigo (U.S. Citizen) You can say that now, but did you speak up a few weeks ago when President Trump said it was a democratic hoax?!? Now, we should work together, and we should not care about politics? Of course, no one should care about anyone's politics in a time like this, but yet and still, Trump cared, when he called it a democratic hoax...now because Trumpers are afraid like everyone else, politics shouldn't matter., all of that goes out of the window..yeah...ok...no, it matters( when he stated that Obama was a citizen, why did politics matter then, no one spoke up then, or joined together to say that was wrong ) ...so I hope everyone, including Trumpers are learning a hard lesson, because, no, politics shouldn't matter in a time like this, but it did and does for our President -always- even in a crisis--"It's democratic hoax"--I will never forget those words, so let's not fool ourselves, you know just as much as I do that politics matters and if this was Obama, the blame game would have been played ten-fold!

  115. Incompetence, Incompetence, Incompetence... We're about to be hit by the Covid-19 tidal wave, and we're talking about limiting crowd size to 50. Think about the tens of thousands (some doubtlessly infected) who were nose to nose for hour after hour in the overloaded Customs checkpoints at the airports yesterday. What we have is a leadership crisis, with Trump riffing, while the head-bobbing Pence stands in the background and the healthcare experts cringe. Trump cannot escape responsibility for gross incompetence and ineptitude. Senators take note: had he been convicted weeks ago, we'd now be far better off, even with a head-bobber as president. And let's not fool ourselves: unless we mobilize in Wuhan-style, this will the first of many Covid-19 waves to hit the U.S.

  116. @Dan I throw responsibility on the airlines and airport controllers, not the White House for the AP fiasco's. They are in the moving people business and privy to the info we get from our govmnt and health agencies. They should have staggered people on the runways? They already do that for lesser reasons,as anyone who flies much knows so well, why not now when social distancing is common knowledge? Get off the hate POTUS kick and lay blame where it belongs. Do we blame the feds cause airlines act like (blanks inserted) when boarding passengers. First class has become a new way to stay negative for crown virus? Lets place blames where they should fall! Get off your political hate for an important pandemic.

  117. @Mike Mike, the airports don't control ICE, which the last time I looked is a federal agency under Trump. From all reports, no one knew our Prez would be closing the incoming flights so precipitously. It's all about leadership... or the lack of it.

  118. @Mike: Wake up! Trump is useless and only exacerbates public anxiety with his lies and fantasies.

  119. US market gains were built on deficit financing, the Fed reducing interest rates, Trump and his administration and his Congress, hyping his “greatest economy” stoking consumer confidence. And financial advisors telling clients buy more – you’ll be fine! They were driving “peddle to the metal.” Hopeful the US, and the world, will quickly recover medically from the virus. It’s doubtful we’ll quickly recover from the cancer eating away at our economic health - Social Security and Medicare and other “Trust Funds” racing towards insolvency, the multi-state pension plan and other pension plans heading for a crisis, infrastructure, healthcare, massive national debt, etc…. Risk management is a fundamental role of our Elected Politicians. They have not demonstrated this competency, often for this own self-interest. They have mismanaged our medical response and economy. They have failed us! Elected Politicians must be held accountable – and not just at the ballot box!

  120. @US Debt Forum : How does one hold account of Republicans who were elected on the premise that government IS the problem and the best government is the one that does nothing? You are on your own. What accountability? GOP promises made, promises kept.

  121. @gratis If we can spit an atom, explore the outer bands of our universe, clone life we can surely find a way to hold mortals accountable. We are the "one of the greatest and most educated countries in the history of the world." If we can't figure it out we are all doomed! Some first steps might be - repeal Citizens United, term limits, serious jail time for corrupt government officials and those corrupting government officials with no pardons, no post office paybacks - books sales, six-figure speaking engagements, executive positions, board seats. The list can go on... Hopefully, you get the picture! Every impossible task starts with a first step. We need to logically take the fist step. All suggestions welcome.

  122. Mr. Sanders said yesterday evening: “Let’s be honest and understand that this coronavirus pandemic exposes the incredible weakness and dysfunctionality of our current health care system." Well, Mr. Sanders, Italy, with one of the very best public healthcare systems, is the country with the highest infection of corona virus infections in Europe with as of now 24,747 infected and 1,809 death. I am all for the US to establish a universal healthcare system for all, but in this case the virus obviously does differentiate between great health care and the lousy one in the US.

  123. Maybe it would be worse in Italy if they had a private healthcare system.

  124. @Sarah I live in Italy and use the system. Let me just say that when the worst of this situation passes, at least Italians won't be in bankruptcy court.

  125. @Sarah you know, we have no worries that our health system will take care of us. And not have that stress is quiet helpful. A universal healthcare system can’t prevent an outbreak. Is a stupid assumption. But it can and do offer the health service to all the citizens no matter what. We have now more or less self quarantined to make sure the capacity for those who are ill now is there. We do that because it is “our health system” and we do that so it can function as good as possible in this extreme crisis. When we are back to normal, we still have free health and will still get all the normal treatments we usually get.

  126. According to the update, in Europe,"There is a scramble across the Continent to step up production of ventilators, with leaders calling for the kind of effort seen in wartime to produce munitions." Is the U.S. also calling for such a manufacturing initiative? If not, why not? It seems that in the upcoming rationing of health care scenario, there will not be enough ventilators for all the severe and critical cases who need them. Ventilator access can be a deciding factor in who lives and who dies from COVID-19. Can't the U.S. also call for a huge push in producing the equipment, maybe giving tax breaks to companies, etc.? Or have we completely outsourced to other countries the ability to manufacture ventilators?

  127. There won’t be enough ventilators and there won’t be enough beds

  128. Can you please place on your main page, near the top of the page, a graph, updated once daily, which shows the total number of officially diagnosed cases and the number of deaths for each day? One graph for the US. One for the world. That way we can much more easily see and understand how rapidly Covid-19 is increasing. These numbers are presented within various articles, but it is harder to visualize the trajectory of the infection. Thank you.

  129. @Richard Fleming , Once the figures for COVID-19 cases in the US is even remotely accurate, this will be a great idea. Until then, the low numbers (from lack of testing) will only give Americans a false sense of security.

  130. @Richard Fleming Look at the web site worldometers dot info / coronavirus

  131. I read on a competitors site that spring break in Texas's Padre Island is still planning to go on full force despite the grim news which basically means we're going to rely on a bunch of drunken louts to be responsible. When you're counting on the least responsible people in any society to be responsible you're not exactly being responsible. Hey, if those who insist on partying fall ill I'd suggest they be moved to the back of the line, but of course their rich mommy's and daddy's will never stand for it.

  132. Yes, 20-30 year olds can spread without getting sick. Lock everyone down!!

  133. China is lying. I dont believe for one minute that China doesnt have 1m or more cases. There is no way they stopped the virus dead in their tracks at 80k as they pretend. I just dont believe it and China has a long history of lying.

  134. @ Professor Ben Smith and why is that important now?

  135. @Professor Ben Smith Whatever it takes to get you through the day. I understand the need to believe that nothing helps so that your government's complete inaction could be justified. But I have no doubt that what China did was helpful and your government has completely failed you. Reality bites.

  136. @Professor Ben Smith So China has a long history of lying. And so does Trump. Now where does that leave us?

  137. I kind of wish Cuomo was running for president.

  138. I’d be satisfied with Bugs Bunny right now.

  139. @Bill I'd prefer Goofy over Cuomo right now. Bugs in a pinch. Not for president, but as Governor of NYS!

  140. @Bill What’s up doc? How appropriate. The clown in the White House couldn’t pull a rabbit out of a hat.

  141. The Trump administration and the trump supporters are beginning to realise just how impotent their “wall” is. In the face of nature, it’s as impotent as their imaginations. We now know where the real threats reside. Inside their tiny minds that don’t process evidence based facts. It’s become perfectly clear that we know where they can stick their wall?

  142. Things will be getting better in two months. But for now it is imperative that all people act responsible, and keep out of the hospital, especially the next month, people over 50 get the sickest, they should self isolate, governors are doing their best , by closing schools, bars , restaurants and places where people commingle, this will help in so many ways. Under no circumstances should people get locked in their homes. People need to walk around and being outside lowers chances of catching the virus. Employers have to act right now, and keep all non essential workers home, off the subways, etc. The real problem is that most heads of business are not the people who created the businesses, they are money managers and see everything from a dollar and sense point of view, they are being asked to make important health decisions. Apple in particular acted right away by closing their stores, why are Verizon wireless stores still open, ATT stores, Sprint etc, why hadn’t mcdonalds moved to only drive thru service and figured out a way to best protect the drive thru window personnel. Time is of the essence and they are all acted too slowly. Stores like Walmart should close stores too indoor shopping and move to full time delivery , delivering around the clock with thousands of delivery men and women, plenty of people need a job now. No face to face contact when the food is delivered. These are just some ideas, let’s go ..we can do this.

  143. Some good points but the closing of stores indoors would require an army of delivery people, so it’s not practical to keep the family SUV in the garage. Ration Cards would make sense now for key items.

  144. @Lonnie All but your opening statement makes sense. But where's your evidence that 2 months will see and improvement ? The US has not followed what China did to lockdown entire cities. Now it's too late. 2 months ? You rubbing Trump's crystal ball again ?

  145. @William Perrigo (U.S. Citizen) laid off waiters, bartenders, etc, so many, it’s almost a perfect fit, and it would provide a valuable service. It does three things at once, employs people, keeps people out of stores, and gets food to people. It puts people to work, stops the spread of the virus, and comforts people, they know they will be fed.

  146. Can anyone tell us how these, previously reported, 500,000 testing kits were distributed? It seems there presence should significantly ease testing pressures in hot spot areas; and areas where new cases have arisen “Also on Monday, Jack Ma, China’s richest man, said he had donated surgical masks and testing kits to the United States, just weeks after China desperately imported medical equipment from around the world to handle its outbreak.”

  147. In the state of Missouri, the Missouri High School Athletic Association is still planning on holding the high school basketball state finals game in Springfield Mo. This is shockingly irresponsible. It defies comprehension that while all professional sport leagues, all college sports, and clubs are cancelling their season, Missouri Governor Parson is still allowing this event to happen.

  148. @R Benam That’s what happens if one does not have a functioning United (Trump) States goverment.

  149. @R Benam Perhaps he's a regular listener to Presidential-Medal-of-Freedom-bearing Rush Limbaugh who has insisted that this virus is the common cold. Or maybe he just took all of Trump's dismissive talk a bit too seriously. When there's no actual leadership from the top or in fact what I'll call mis-leadership at the top then things will go sideways.

  150. I would like more reporting about the availability,or lack thereof, of adequate testing for this virus. We have NO IDEA how many people are actually infected. When will there be widespread testing available as South Korea is doing? This is a huge piece of information to help us manage our response to the virus.

  151. @Eileen Look at hthe web site worldometers dot info / coronavirus

  152. With two ER doctors now in critical condition in Washington and New Jersey, are we experiencing the effects of “multiple exposure”? Or could these two fairly young doctors have become critically ill as a result of physical exhaustion? The Chinese cited both of these possible causes as the reason a number of their front-line health care workers in Wuhan became critically ill or died after contracting Coronavirus. Our first priority in this country should be protecting our healthcare workers and first responders. Are we doing enough?

  153. Dear NYT, I don't usually comment but I'm adding this to all of your Covid-19 articles today: while I think your coverage has been excellent and vital in the void of leadership in which we find ourselves, please be more aware that many people's anxiety levels are sky-high, and that multiple disturbing headlines can exacerbate this. I highly recommend that you institute a mindfulness / self care section at the very top of your page online, just under the masthead, for balance. The position of this is key. Thanks for your coverage and often excellent journalism.

  154. @EArtinian About time someone said this. The coverage by the NYT has been exceptional. However, it seems like the NYT is more concerned about printing body counts and the Doom of the world. Instead of covering or just mentioning in passing, the people who have recovered, the measures that are flat lining the bug, and what other nations are getting right about fighting the bug. We as readers expect balanced coverage.

  155. @Tom "Balanced" coverage of a pandemic! Let's just not look at what's happening in Italy. What we don't see can't hurt us. Yes most people recover. Some folks don't. Some folks will recover if they receive the intensive treatment they need (ventilators). Right now they don't have enough ventilators in Italy. People are dying because of that. But you want happy stories about the people who recovered and lived happily ever after!

  156. Per Johns Hopkins, over 77,000 people have recovered. Evidence is becoming more definitive that re-infection cannot occur (if someone has indeed recovered). Why not 'draft' those who have recovered, to work in vital industries (healthcare, logistics, etc.)? Hopefully many will volunteer, but in the case of a national emergency, this cadre will be vital. And we will need every one of them.

  157. Pervasive and persistent testing was/is/and will be the most important and overwhelmingly most effective tool we have. And really the only meaningful one we have. We are losing hundreds of billions of dollars and risking trillions of dollars in economic damage and financial collapse. Why haven't we been pouring tens of billions into testing the last few weeks? Now we are reactive and the Fed has to pour money into the economy. This virus is not going away! It will not be contained through social distancing. We have to test, test, and keep testing. Free tests everywhere. Amazon should deliver them to your door. We cannot keep things shutdown. Life will have to go on with this virus and maximum mitigation strategies, but everyone has to get back to work. This virus will be here for months and very likely will recur. Social distancing and shutdowns can't be maintained. Better we come to terms now before we face an economic calamity. And the downstream human impact of that will be immense.

  158. This is what will happen next in terms of Trumps excuses for the market tanking and the outbreak in the U.S. He will develop a deeper narrative that this is Obama’s fault As a result of this narrative, the market will take another dive (deeper than the one happening now) because Wall St will see that there’s no hope for this president to understand the magnitude of truth and a healthy country. He did not learn his lesson from impeachment and he will not learn his lesson from his failures here. The house and senate GOP will not survive the 2020 elections with a majority because in that time, the pain will be felt amongst his base and more importantly the swing votes that matter in elections. The GOP would be better off getting rid of him now to help their own chances of survival.

  159. Is there any information on people who have the virus but do not show symptoms? Do they have or build immunity - that is do they kill off the virus in their body or do some of them carry and spread live virus? In effect, could some be modern Typhoid Marys? Is there any information from China's experience?

  160. Some adults and many children mount a strong immune response so their disease remains sub clinical (has no or very few visible signs or symptoms). And yes they are shedding virus and infecting others. This is the source of community-acquired infection and the risk that can best be solved by proactive social distancing

  161. Yes. There has always been and still are tons of crystal clear documents and information about the China’s experience; China has been making COVID-19 report from the very beginning, translated in English and has updated new-gained experience constantly, like this one: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf It’s updated to version 5 or 6 by far I think, check the most updated one. And why no one in the States seems to hear any of these? And much more facts and information from China? Ask the politicians and medias.

  162. That shuts down the schools for 2 months. I know there was a reluctance to shut down the schools due to the Food and child care services they inevitably offer, but they are a potential explosion of germs. In my high school classroom, over 100 students at least come into my room everyday, touch computers, table tops, and each other. This is in addition to a small school of 500 students and staff all sharing a small building randomly mixing with each other throughout the day. I will not go back until this is resolved. It would be like jumping into a pool. I urge officials to not re open the schools until this is completely resolved, otherwise those students will at least bring the virus home to family members who may be the most vulnerable.

  163. Isn't time we shut down the markets as we have the schools. More action now, less later. Awful leadership.

  164. Maybe I am stating the obvious, but still: I read that Iceland is the country in which the largest fraction of the population has been tested for the coronavirus. Since the population of Iceland has been well characterized genetically (data available in databases etc.), it would be of interest to see whether those with the disease (at present ~160?) can be correlated with certain genes/alleles: it such a correlation exists, this would simplify dealing with the disease considerably.

  165. Just waiting for the primaries to be postponed. People standing in lines for hours?? Really?

  166. @Maria Holland Vote by mail!

  167. I am an Infectious Diseases physician, the only way to stop the virus, and break the cycle of infection is to stop all gatherings period. Only essential workers go to work, hospitals stop all elective procedures. No people in waiting rooms, no unnecessary trips to the mall, and so on. It will be hard on the economy. That is better than the alternative.

  168. My question is does breaking the cycle mean that the virus is dealt with? Or will it just reappear in full force once normalcy is re-established?

  169. @jj - I don’t think anyone knows. Maybe we just all stay in our homes for the next year until a vaccine is developed?

  170. @JJ There is a very good piece in the WP by a Johns Hopkins epidemiologist that sets out the likely scenario. Short story: it will not be over and done with; it will be endemic and over the next few years come in lesser and lesser serious waves due both to built up population immunity and a likely vaccine. One of the main factors: no infection by a coronavirus is known to confer total immunity to catching it again. So any immunity ongoing will be partial. But that does mean that over a period of years it will become more like a strain of yearly flu

  171. Limiting large groups may slow the spread, but won't stop it. Everyone is a target, and everyone is a possible weapon of this virus. Stay at home and don't become a problem, be instead part of the solution. Others, like in Italy, are learning this lesson at a high cost.

  172. Slowing the spread of the virus will aid the health care system in dealing with the critically ill. It is too late to halt the pandemic the best we can hope for is an orderly and effective response by our health care system.

  173. @Chris If we had a functioning and effective health care system, it would be progress.

  174. @Lui Cartin : Totally agreed, yet social isolation is a privilege of the wealthy and upper middle class. Most workers are going to take horrific financial hits with income loss spanning months. The only way to get them to isolate as well is to temporarily provide them safety nets.

  175. Not since World War II have so many Americans been so deeply and personally affected by a sudden and unexpected change in the national lifestyle. The ongoing failure to federalize state national guards across the nation and call up US Army and NAVY Medical Corp reserves and begin deploying the full range of Pentagon assets to assist state and local governments in coping with what is a de facto ongoing biological attack on America is stunning. The Trump administration is delusional and woefully ignorant about the risks of SARS-Cov-2 and the fact that we do not yet have a coordinated national response is beyond belief.- Imagine if Roosevelt did not respond to 12-7-1941 for 4 months and tried to deflect and spin Pearl Harbor as a purely local problem- and there you have the Trump response to date in a nutshell.

  176. @American Akita Team I agree with your sense of emergency, but we need a better way to talk about this issue than military. There are enough people angry, at China, at Trump, at Republicans, at Democrats; we need to pull together while staying physically apart, now more than ever.

  177. @American Akita Team Roosevelt turned a blind eye to the mass killings of Jews and local populations in Nazi occupied lands even before 1941. He kept the US out of the war in Europe because it wasn't the US's problem until Japan bombed us.

  178. @Mary Elizabeth Lease Were you this outraged when trump ordered the Army down to the souther border to help with wall? What is the function of the national guard? Should we just disband it cuz you think it's the real danger?

  179. I was supposed to be in Dubai right now but I changed my trip to a later date. People are not traveling and for good reason. I feel more comfortable being in the US than I would be anywhere else. We have excellent medical facilities and experts. I would be uneasy being in a foreign country with so many unknowns about this virus. I am staying put until this catastrophe is over. Everyone should do the same.

  180. @KMW: oh, honey- your lack of awareness regarding how profoundly overwhelmed our healthcare workers are is stunning. As well, so many of us are uninsured, or insufficiently insured, that the effects will be felt deeply in ways unseen in other, more humanitarian, countries. America is about to pay the piper for its utter carelessness on the federal level regarding public healthcare.

  181. Last week, an NYT op-ed writer said that Trump could best help the situation by shutting up. There's no question that Thursday's panic was sparked by Wednesday's prime-time address. Today, the administration is "expected to offer new coronavirus guidelines." Having spent weeks doing too little, and when doubling-down no longer works, Trump is now going to do the only thing he knows how to do: go to the opposite extreme. I questioned whether it was necessary to cancel sports, minus the spectators. But by Wednesday he will probably order us to pull our shades.

  182. NYTimes: can you please publish why the infection rate in China as slowed to almost nothing? They rink-fenced 60MM people but they are a country of more than 1B. What is protecting the rest? Is it that the 60MM remain isolated? And how is it that the 60MM don’t continue to get sick? Have they all been exposed already? It would be nice to learn what are the mechanisms that are now keeping the Chinese safer and to understand did they would apply to the West. Can we expect similar results in 3 mo or is there something more the West must do to plateau in June/July?

  183. @Brad Burns there are no answers to the questions you ask...there still is not certain knowledge of how the virus spreads.

  184. @Brad Burns : Several possibilities: 1) A miracle, albeit by means of lockdown with high economic and social penalties; 2) Test kits have run out, so actual new infections under-counted; 3) Most deaths associated with people sick with other chronic conditions; and, since virus tests are scarce, and since officials are urged to report declining coronavirus deaths, the cause of death is recorded as something else; 4) More sick stay in self-isolation, and do not report or test, in order to avoid incarceration in a crowded death ward. 5) Restrictions on movement inside the ring fences make it difficult to investigate or report. It would be nice, though, to obtain factual insights into China's reports of vast reduction in new infections.

  185. There are tons of information out there... but why the Americans seem to never see/hear any of them? Maybe ask the politicians and medias... Here’s a highly informative and detailed interview by the leading expert of WHO who investigated in China during the outbreak: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/04/health/coronavirus-china-aylward.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share Here’s one of the covid complete reports from China (English version), it’s released and updated constantly and may already reach to the 6th version by now: https://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/who-china-joint-mission-on-covid-19-final-report.pdf

  186. I can't believe I haven't seen this advice anywhere: If you go out (don't do so if you don't have to) wear an outer layer, including a hat and glasses. Take it off immediately when you cross your home threshold (even before so if your neighbors are open minded). Put on your indoor clothes. Hats are critical. Your hair can harbor a lot of particulates, and unless you wash it every night before going to bed, you'll be planting your face in those particulates all night. Masks, contrary to what you've been told, help. No mask, even an N95, is perfect, but all will stop some of the droplets that the virus likes to ride on. All will create a warm, moist environment around your nose (viruses typically don't like that kind of environment). And any mask will remind you not to touch your face. But, most critically, don't go out unless you have to. And don't go into crowds.

  187. And what are your plans for disinfecting your hat, glasses and outerwear without taking them into the house, pray tell? How about those shoes? Oh, you forgot the gloves. As for the masks, yes, they MIGHT be of use IF you get coughed on, to stop the larger splashes of gunk. But “social distancing,” works better for that...and doesn’t need disinfecting itself. How many masks do you have around, anyway? Please just read the CDC and local guidelines, and observe them. Far as I know, this coronavirus—like the rest of its type—isn’t just floating around in the air. It’s spread by touch, and by close coughingand such.

  188. Often too much media is actually fuel for hysteria and toilet paper hording. Beating the bejeezus out of a single event really gets the masses running in the same direction as the fire. A rule of thumb is the following: listen to the information, become informed, make a personal decision based on facts, look at what the majority of people do, do otherwise. History shows that the masses are wrong 98% of the time with lethal outcome whether "lethal" is financial, personal, social. Because, evidence shows people are actually stupid in a real or fabricated crisis.

  189. @John Young good news...the lock down will decrease those numbers just as it has reduced air pollution numbers.

  190. Stop comparing a four month old virus to a 12 month statistic.

  191. For the love of god, please stop with the dithering over statistics. This is a virus with many unknowns, including the long term effects of survivors. It’s irresponsible to be dismissive, especially at this stage.

  192. The only effort that's really going to matter is the one that produces a cure. The effort to produce a vaccine should be transparent, multinational, and should be receiving at least as much attention as anything Trump has to say. We need stories about that.

  193. In China, the coronavirus erupted in Wuhan. At first, the government responded slowly, but locked down much of the region by mid February. Since then, daily new cases have fallen from the thousands to the low double digits. China's economy took a hit, but (unless the numbers are bogus) the disease appears contained largely to one region and the cumulative number of cases has largely flattened. Nearly all new cases are outside of China. How much China has succeeded, or not, needs greater clarification. What have the lockdowns cost? How much of the cost is borne by the government or individuals? Will relaxation of the lockdowns lead to a rise in new infections?

  194. Many years ago, there was a comic strip called Pogo. One day, the phrase “We have met the enemy and it is us” appeared in it, and, over time, those words have been proven true over and over. And especially so now in the Coronavirus age. There is no vaccine for it, and there are no known antidotes. So, all we have are each other, and this is proving to be a problem. Our neighbors are over - shopping, leaving little or nothing on the market shelves for those who shop more prudently. Some have gone so far as to buy up large supplies of hand sanitizer in an effort to price gouge their neighbors and friends. And what may be far worse, many are taking no precautions to protect themselves, their families, and their contacts from exposure to and infection from the virus. Simply using a face mask, washing their hands, and staying home if sick are, in many cases, too much to ask. To me it seems like insanity to take risks with a disease for which there is no known cure, but that’s just me. Our collective job is to protect ourselves and, by extension, our contacts from becoming ill. So, as has been said many times, each of us should just do our jobs.

  195. We need to understand that these measures are to slow the spread of the disease not to stop any further cases. The spread of the virus must be slowed to prevent fatalities due to overwhelming the health care system and to diminish the concentrations of the infected population to reduce exposures. But the survival of people requires good health and so exercise and fresh food and fresh air to remain strong and able to resist disease. People who remain inactive and unable to sustain a health promoting dietary because they are confined are going to be more susceptible to becoming sick and more critically so. We need to understand that at some point everyone will become exposed to this pathogen and must rely upon their bodies best health to fight it off.

  196. Thank you for the information you are providing. When our government is less than transparent, we depend upon journalists to help us understand what's happening. PLEASE start providing daily state by state testing information. Federal officials talk about tests that will be available in the future, but what is happening now? If you can't get this information from hospitals, states or the feds, it would be helpful to report that. Did New York's numbers jump ahead of Washington because they're doing more tests or for some other reason?

  197. It's not panicking when you are being realistic. Our government and business comentators are being realistic when they tell us this will not be over within a year and it will affect families Christmas. It's best to be realistic and tell the public the truth so they can prepare for this - it's when people like Trump say its like the flu that makes people panic because they wonder why the government is playing this down and what else they are hiding. I read that because they don't know much about this virus it can change and mutate into something else. It was Trump that closed down the Infectious virus government department when he was elected. Germany has closed its borders.

  198. Anna, We have never seen anything like the coronavirus before. This has affected over 150 countries. This is very serious and New York has the most cases in the US. Yes. We have been overwhelmed and will be overworked. But we have some of the best hospitals and doctors in the world. Some people come here for our services alone. We will persevere and we will get through this. One thing about New Yorkers is that they are strong and band together at difficult times. We did this during 9/11 and we will do it now. We will be OK but we must all do our part. We must wash our hands, avoid large crowds, stay six feet apart from one another, cover mouth when coughing and stay home when sick. Taking these precautions will lower the risk of infections. And following any advice from the experts is a must.

  199. @KMW Actually, we have seen things exactly like the coronavirus before. Most scientists knew it was only a matter of time before we happened again. But "What, Me Worry?" smaller government theology leaves out the chapter about Armageddon.

  200. @KMW Many New Yorkers will die, who did not have to die, if the Feds has simply been proactive back in early January... when it was clear there was an uncontrolled outbreak in Wuhan and that it would certainly escape in some numbers to other nations. Nope... "president la-la-na-na...I can't hear you" instead... called it nothing to worry about, a media hoax, all under control.. etc. etc.

  201. @KMW there have been a number of serious outbreaks before, not only the 1918 flu (which should be called the Kansas pig farmer flu since it did not actually start in Spain), or Sars or the swine flu which was also unusually severe. Ultimately we don't know how high the mortality rate is, and whether these emergency measures are truly justified -- probably higher than swine flu but much, much lower than the 1918 flu. Most likely the mortality will be 0.7 percent according to many experts (up from 0.4 for the swine flu). This does not warrant these emergency measures, which are motivated by fear, coupled with the cowardice of elected officials who don't want to be held responsible when people inevitably die. The reversal of Boris Johnson is especially cowardly -- not that I'd expect anything else from him. In this country, nobody considers seriously restricting driving, or taking away people's guns, or god forbid, outlawing alcohol -- all of these claim many more lives than the coronavirus could possibly take, and taking action on each of these would save hundreds of thousands of lives over a decade. But a virus that in most people doesn't even cause symptoms? Better shut everything down and cause economic armageddon!

  202. Gatherings of more than 5 people should be banned. Banning 50 people sounds like a joke.

  203. @Martha Shelley As far as I'm concerned, if the person is not part of one's household, 6' social distancing need to be practiced to stop the spread. These baby steps that put the tax revenue of cities and municipalities ahead of stopping spread is the cause of exploding numbers in NYC.

  204. The latest CDC recommendation is still a joke. They said 250+ people events, now it's 50. Because of course, the virus is not gonna go where there isn't at least 51 people at the party ! The USA needs to close down.

  205. Mother Nature is scolding the human race for two centuries of monstrous behavior and sending us to our room without dinner to think about what we have done.

  206. our doctors and nurses who are on the frontline don’t even have protective masks and gloves, asian medical people are increasingly facing racism from their community and work places They deal with added stress and anxiety even commuting to hospital to work due to racism and fear. Cornell Cancer center in Manhattan hospital staff said their supply of n95 masks and wipes were stolen out of supply storage room because they didn’t have right security in place. That is insane and the management should take responsibility that missteps caused putting their health workers at risk and just putting the hands up and that they have to deal with it?!

  207. Mayor Cuomo is correct that we must have a coordinated national response—not the patchwork of conflicting state recommendations we are seeing now—especially in my state of Oklahoma. Oklahoma’s governor, Kevin Stitt, a Trump science denier, is doing photo ops with his family in crowded restaurants while actively encouraging the public to ignore the virus, get out of their homes and visit restaurants and bars. My family member who is symptomatic for Covid-19 and has been in isolation for three days in one of our major hospitals was told today by the Integris Hospital staff in OKC that sick people are being sent home to self-quarantine because the hospital is not testing—and has not yet tested a single person for Covid-19. Hard to believe—but absolutely true. Oklahomans are learning about active cases of Coronavirus—not from the states public health department which is virtually shut down—with city and county health departments closed—but from word of mouth. Don’t let Oklahoma’s low number of cases fool you. We are not safe. We are in fact at greater danger than most because our governor refuses to take the sweeping actions taken by more responsible governors of other states. Oklahomans need to know the truth and speak up about the failing of our Oklahoma state leadership.

  208. @Angela Minton Trying hard not to root for this governor and all his supporters getting the virus.

  209. 100 years ago, in 1920, there were 12,155 roadway fatalities! So to your point @John Young, bring back the good old days!

  210. Anna, We have never seen anything like the coronavirus in the world before. There are over 150 countries suffering right now including the US. We are not alone in this pandemic. This is new for all of us and we are all figuring this out together. I have faith in our New York City hospitals and personnel that they will serve the sick and affected to their utmost ability. They are some of the best in the universe. People come here from all over to utilize our medical services because of our wonderful reputation. I feel very confident residing here knowing if, God forbid, I contract the disease I will get quality care. We will get through this but we must all do our part. I would rather reside in America right now than any other place.

  211. Here is a chart of coronavirus tests per day, from the CDC site today. https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/cases-updates/testing-in-us.html The blue is CDC lab testing. The states started to ramp up, the orange, only this month. As FEMA was to Katrina, the CDC is to this. By contrast, Germany has produced 4,000,000 tests to date, starting aggressively in January. South Korea has completed testing on 250,000 people. A complete failure of leadership and execution.

  212. @Time for a reboot Thank you! Wish they would show testing numbers by state.

  213. At what point do we acknowledge the distinct possibility that the lockdown "cure" is worse than the disease? Do we ruin the economies of virtually every nation on earth for a pandemic that might kill fewer people than the regular flu? Or cancer? Or car accidents? Every white-collar worker who advocates for isolation and lockdown should remember the working people -- waiters, ushers, caterers, laborers -- who get hurt the worst with such drastic measures. Maybe protecting the elderly and vulnerable as best we can with reasonable precautions, while allowing the flu to run its course, is better in the long run.

  214. @Chris The problem is simply that "We just don't know". We are afloat in a sea of uncertainty right now. Seeking absolute truths as to how bad this is going to be and what, therefore, to reasonably do is just an unknown. Yes, the fallout of this is going to be massive and life-changing for almost everyone. But right now, there are really no answers -- just questions.

  215. @Chris Look at Italy! People are dying because they can't treat everyone who needs intensive care right now. That's what "allowing the 'flu' (it's not the flu!) to run its course" looks like. How many people should die so that you don't experience a shortage of money? What's a human life worth in Chris-world?

  216. @Jack Toner Maybe it's merely a "shortage of money" in your world. But when you don't have enough money to buy food or pay the rent, living with purist principles is a luxury you can't afford. So we're making life-and-death choices either way.

  217. We still do not fully know about the corona virus . Will it increase the herd immunity which will make the contagion peter out? All the precautionary measures now appear to be targeting with the aim of delaying and flattening out the peak so as not to cause catastrophic public health crisis with unsustainable need for resources.Can you really prevent common cold from spreading ? The eventual solution lay in development of specific antiviral drugs and vaccine.

  218. The eccentric, contrarian British non-response is utterly weird. Hopefully, the British government, urged on by medical experts, will snap to. The photo of the crowded London Flower Market on Saturday was depressing.

  219. @CA Reader The English have opted for treating their citizenry like of herd of Herfords going with "herd immunity" as a strategy...straight out of the 18th century. Those whacky English Conservative Party leaders are truly something.

  220. I just watched the Governor of NY give a detailed one-hour press conference on the coronavirus. He showed command of information and laid out a plan. Why can't our President do that?

  221. @Jeffrey As a NY'er it is really quite comforting to see the mature and reasonable display of information and advice from Governor Cuomo. Although he's not perfect; he has shown a real sense of gravitas and understanding as well as a true communicator during this situation. I'm glad I voted for him all three times!

  222. @Jeffrey I'm thinking you already know the answer to that. Tillerson said it. It's still true.

  223. @Jeffrey I was really impressed by Cuomo, especially after all the bad things I have read about him in this paper and in the comment sections.

  224. H1N1 killed more than 18,000 in the U.S. alone. Some schools closed for a few days, that's it. There's still no vaccine for H1N1. Why all the hysteria over Coronavirus? Even the Chinese province of Coronavirus origin is re-opening to travel and people are returning to work there. The next epi/pan-demic to happen, which it will, will be met with the nonchalance of severe storm warnings. The "fifteen inches of snow are expected, oops, we got only 3 inches," warnings make us shrug our shoulders after a while. People have become de-sensitized to bad weather forecasts. The Coronavirus over-reaction will de-sensitize us to future epi/pan-demics. When every epidemic is treated like the Bubonic Plague, no one is going to pay attention to future outbreaks of anything. Plenty of celebrities and ordinary folks don't believe in immunizing their kids against anything already, even polio. The hypochondriacs and alarmists among us are in their glory right now, and relish every bit of bad news. If nothing else, the Media ARE good at fanning the flames and have no intention of painting anything as positive. Unless.....

  225. @Elizabeth Carlisle you might consider the concept of exponential growth. China came with in a couple of weeks of catastrophe and their extreme quarantine policy is the only thing that prevented the virus from becoming a runaway in China's population.

  226. @Elizabeth Carlisle Right now we have no idea if initial reactions are too much; too little; or just right. Kind of like Goldilocks testing porridge bowls. But to state boldly that we are indeed overreacting as you are doing is too nonchalant. No one, even yourself, has any idea of the severity of this health crisis right now. We are all floundering in a sea of uncertainty. Perhaps this is just not the appropriate time for you to express your current skepticism?

  227. This is also an ongoing illness. For you to compare it to H1N1 at this point in time is not a proper comparison. We don’t know the exact numbers yet.

  228. Everyone who hates Trump believes his response to the Corona virus is a disaster. Those who support him watch his Task Force daily and believe it will succeed and point to the China ban as a critical step in containment and mitigation. But numbers don't lie and numbers have no political allegiance so after 3-6 months we'll see the numbers and the state of the nation and the election will likely be determined by that perception. If the number of deaths is over a million Trump will lose; if under 20,000 he will be re-elected. Anyone without malice in their heart hope for the latter outcome.

  229. @alan brown The missteps of the Trump administration are in plain sight. The China ban bought us some time which we then totally squandered. Trump said when we had 15 cases that soon we would have none. Time & again he played down the threat. He previously disbanded the task force Obama put together to fight Ebola, a task force designed for exactly the situation we now find ourselves in. Every budget Trump submitted called for cuts to the CDC. South Korea has conducted more tests than we have by a couple of orders of magnitude. The return of American travelers from Europe was utterly botched. There's a photo in today's Times showing returning Kuwaitis waiting to be screened, all sitting down with lots of space between them. So South Korea & Kuwait have both handled the situation much better than we have. These are all true facts about the world. Not rhetoric, just reality. Yes it's true that if we get lucky and don't get devastated by the virus the full-on kool aid drinkers will hail Trump. That won't be enough to reelect him.

  230. @Jack Toner Jack it will be enough but I suspect nothing will be enough for you even the election results in November. The task force created in 2014 and ended by Bolton in 2018 had not contemplated a novel virus and had not prepared any guidelines for one. Trump quickly formed a task force and has followed their recommendations to this day . The China travel ban , opposed by some Democrats and supported by none may have saved us Italy's fate. The airports at JFK and Newark are under the control of the Port Authority ( Democratic governors of NYS and NJ, not Trump.)They blew it. IF we beat this crisis Trump will deserve credit (not Kool-Aid) and if we fail he'll deserve a lot of the blame.

  231. How can you trust any news from China?

  232. @Liberal Hack- "How can you trust China?" How can you trust Donald Trump?

  233. My sister is a nurse and I know how hard they work. She works in the Connecticut school system and even works when not on duty. She is available to answer the parents questions at any time. She is extremely dedicated as are the other nurses who work in the United States. I think they are under appreciated and should be given a shout out as should all medical personnel. They put their lives on the line for all of us. We are seeing this over and over again during this crisis. They are my heroes.

  234. @KMW - Gee it's too bad the right wing politicians you support don't value those heroes.

  235. Banning gatherings of more than 50 people is useless. How about no gatherings of any sort outside of immediate family, childcare settings (for children of essential personnel only), and hospital/healthcare settings?

  236. Been watching for our gov't to take some first steps – in any useful direction – that aren't based in panic, partisan politics, or public-health practices picked up wholesale from the 1918 pandemic… The good news – the sharpening focus on the clinical-level health care supply chain… https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/16/navarro-to-bring-executive-order-to-trump-on-foreign-dependency-on-drugs.html In my STEM-aware but ignorant-outsider view of that ecosystem, useful to think of clinical-level care in four segments: 1. Diagnostics 2. Therapeutics 3. Intervention-repair 4. Intervention-replace I.e. shortages of facemasks and hand-sanitizer not causing the explosively-deepening insight into how much we’ve let our economic leadership and viability slide… It’s shortages of biochemical feedstocks and biologics and DNA/RNA fragment-based reagents… It’s what any commercial industry would call the strategic tooling/materials aspect of their trade… Just two examples – for the: 1. Steel industry, it’s not iron – it’s chromium and cobalt and nickel and so on… 2. Electronics industry, it’s not silicon – it’s erbium and neodymium and yttrium and so on… But having said this, no reason some defense or national security agency couldn’t – from now on – continuously monitor both the strategic and commodity supply chains necessary for the continual proper functioning of the US health care system… During both normal and crisis times… For both the civilian and military sectors…

  237. @Time for a reboot - CDC would be better able to rise to the challenge if Trump hadn’t been severely cutting its budget.

  238. As there is a moral imperative to 'stay home'- the truest sacrifice for patriotism, Communitas and realism- why aren't religious leaders summoning their flocks to obey ? Leading Ministers, Priest, Rabbis & Imams should give a united proclamation...treat your neighbor as yourself.

  239. The more Trump and his "administration" (with the exception of Fauci) speak, the worse both the viral and financial apocalypses get. The Trump Administration is worse than useless - it is a purveyor of lies and gross misinformation - no planning and no coordination with anything except election fraud. Remember this in November! This country cannot tolerate such incompetence and criminality. I wish I had some positive suggestions, but no matter what I have said, ignorant, spineless Republicans continue to back the most destructive fake and Impeached president in our history. Hannity & Co., for profit only, are his propagandists, and YOU have the gaul to actually believe them! We need to sideline them and others like Gaetz, Gohmert, Collins, Cruz, McConnell and Graham - not to mention everyone even remotely associated with Trump. If we don't this is just a taste of what is to come.

  240. @AR If you’re not part of the solution you are part of the problem! TRump is doing the best he can do with an unknown virus that has turned into a pandemic faster than a NY Minute. Stay positive! Negative comments will do nothing for any of us!

  241. @I Hear Ya: If Trump is doing his best we are all in big trouble.

  242. I was having Reno’s being done in my home. I don’t want strangers entering my home. I want it to stop. I can’t control my safety when others enter my private space. I wish my govt would say stay home. Don’t work unless you are front lines. A bathroom Reno is not essential and my safety and my mothers safety is paramount. People stay home. Sorry about your bottom line but it’s better than death

  243. Is this the Christmas present that kim Jong-un promised America ? One has to wonder if this is a lab produced euthanasia tactic. If it was kim will never admit to it ... just thinking out loud here and wondering if anyone else is thinking along these lines ?

  244. I presume that there is a supermarket in USA that does home deliveries of groceries. I just got a newsletter from Countdown NZ supermarket that said if you are in home isolation that they can do home deliveries and said they will text you when the groceries have been delivered. People are panic buying soap and hand sanitizer in the supermarkets and the shelves are empty. Now's a good time for all the unemployed and school kids to hit their parents up for some venture capital and start making cottage industry soap in your parents garage or shed or kitchen and sell it. You could even make money out of it. Sell on internet or at local market days. Lots of shops go around local markets looking for suppliers. Here's a recipe I got off the internet for making hand sanitizer. (Don't forget to have a nice tag on it saying made in the USA.) https://www.diynatural.com/homemade-hand-sanitizer/

  245. Former Federal Virus Hunter Says U.S. Needs To Act Before New Germs ‘Kick Your Door In’ "When the federal government decided to investigate the threat viruses in animals posed to humans, Dennis Carroll helped lead the charge. "Carroll directed the pandemic influenza and emerging threats unit at the federal Agency for International Development (USAID) for nearly 15 years. "In that time, he spearheaded Predict, a project that identified more than 2,000 zoonotic viruses, or germs in animals ― the viral “dark matter,” as he characterizes it — that could also sicken people. "It operated under Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, but the Trump administration opted to shut down the project. "Its operations will cease later this year, Carroll said. "Carroll retired from the federal government and moved to Texas A&M University. "He now heads the Global Virome Project, a nonprofit cooperative dedicated to tracking more of these threats and developing a database of viruses. https://khn.org/news/former-federal-virus-hunter-says-u-s-cant-wait-for-new-germs-to-kick-your-door-in/

  246. There’s nothing like the smell of Wall Street crumbling early in the morning...

  247. @Zozola - guess you have forgotten about all the little people who have 401Ks or get money from pension funds. Dream on if you don't think this is going to negatively affect you in some way.

  248. @M145 "guess you have forgotten about all the little people who have 401Ks " Unfortunately many of the little people, like sheep, will be following their investment advisors over the cliff real soon. They had a good run, but like most people in the market, can never resist trying for more.

  249. How Intrepid Lab Sleuths Ramped Up Tests As Coronavirus Closed In Jerome, Greninger and their UW Medicine laboratory colleagues were ahead of much of the nation in developing an accurate test for the new coronavirus, and it may be due to that foresight that Washington state has been out front in detecting its spread. The state announced the first confirmed U.S. case of the virus in January, and since has identified more than 640 infected patients, the most in the country. The state also has seen the most deaths attributed to the virus: at least 40 as of Sunday. https://khn.org/news/how-intrepid-seattle-scientists-ramped-up-tests-as-coronavirus-closed-in/

  250. Wow! With everyone stuck at home these Comments sections are getting crowded!

  251. It's easier for the Chinese to contain the virus in their nation as they are a Communist nation and are used to having their Civil Liberties abused. I wouldn't like being told by government if I was over 70 you have to stay in your home and not have freedom of movement.

  252. @Ck - I’m over 70 and I have self isolated. No need of having my government make me do it. It’s a form of Darwinism... any senior who can self isolate and doesn’t shouldn’t be surprised if they get very sick and even die. I am fortunate to live in a warm, comfortable place and I have a network of family and friends supporting me. I worry because my government hasn’t yet outlined measures to be taken for the homeless who are vulnerable. How do you self isolate if you are homeless? This crisis will fall disproportionately on their shoulders. In a wealthy country like Canada, no one should be without a home and shelter and support.

  253. @CK I’m in a retirement community. I assure you we are all very glad to remain in our own apartments with the exception of absolutely necessary tasks outside them. Getting mail. Putting out trash. Meals can be picked up or delivered. And taking walks! Alone. Talking on the phone. No one here is feeling overwhelmed by this need to stay home. We are grateful that visitors are now forbidden and employees must be screened each day before working.

  254. Mr. Mayor, you can help small businesses by finding a way to order a rent reduction for retailers. The chickens are coming home to roost. Rents for retail space in NYC, especially in Manhattan are ridiculous. Lots of store fronts are empty because of GREED. Our government has made it more profitable to keep storefronts empty and use the absurd rent they ask as offset to their income in other areas. This needs to change. If that happens, retailers will be back and business will pick up. But as long as NYC is at the mercy of the crooks, we may go back to the way we were in the 80s.

  255. Every stripped supermarket, cancelled concert and shuttered school represents more than inconvenience. It's people's jobs. For millions of Americans, no work means no pay. We have to fix our welfare and unemployment systems; we have to broaden our societal focus. Congress is now trying to apply a bit of short term plaster. But the rain always has a way of penetrating the patches of haste and compromise. For many years now, political emphasis has spotlighted Middle America. But Trump has sliced and diced food stamps, after-school programs, private charitable support, health care, and the ripples barely spread into news coverage or commentary. Of course, when democracy is sinking, where do you bail first? I don't know when our leaders decided shoring up the poor didn't count, because it didn't count for votes or dollars. And the rosy unemployment numbers conceal a greater truth. Many of us still reside atop a shaky precipice, with car loans, mortgages, rent and credit debt pressing in. This is not that academic. I'm disabled and older, and for part-time help, I pay a wonderful mother of four. If I decide to truly isolate, I'll have to suspend her job. Do I do still pay her, even though I'll have other costs resulting? Now we'll get to see who's there, starting at the top, to throw out a line, and how far the fall.

  256. This is serious and all nations are taking the same actions for the same reasons. Switzerland has just ordered all non essential stores and all restaurants, parks, theatres and museums, etc closed for the time being. Groups of more than 5 people must stop and all people are ordered to stay at home, not move around unless for emergency needs. The army is mobilised for hospitals and security. Borders will be closed except for citizens and those legal immigrants or foreigners with work permits. Apparently the EU will be doing the same in the near future. These decisions are coming a bit late in Europe but should help. Those in the US who acted early will likely see more positive outcomes - IF citizens act responsibly. https://www.rts.ch/info/suisse/11166687-le-conseil-federal-va-communiquer-de-nouvelles-mesures-a-17h.html#timeline-anchor-1584373767123

  257. How Well Does Your Nursing Home Fight Infections? Look It Up Here "Infections are a persistent challenge for skilled nursing facilities. "As many as 3.8 million occur in homes each year, killing nearly 388,000 residents. "Bacteria and viruses can spread through urinary catheters used by immobile patients and attack patients through soft tissues exposed as bedsores or wounds. "Influenza and a serious infection caused by a bacteria known as MRSA (methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus) can also spread from casual contact among residents and visitors. "The infection threats have grown more serious with the spread of bacteria such as MRSA that are resistant to antibiotics." https://khn.org/news/how-well-does-your-nursing-home-fight-infections-look-it-up-here/

  258. As an at-risk senior isolated at home—and dependent on others for food and other necessities, I’d like to thank all FOOD DELIVERY WORKERS for their dedication in feeding those of us who are most affected by the severe restrictions imposed as a result of this pandemic. I also call upon both the public and private sectors to reward these wonderful Americans with an increase in wages of NO LESS THAN 20 PERCENT. Tips alone are not enough. These hard-working people are unsung heroes and deserve our support. We will be depending on them more and more in the coming months. Let’s make sure they are fairly compensated for the life-saving work they do!

  259. Only Trump could have brought us to this point. ...because what was 15 people infected a few weeks ago was “going to be zero” ...because the virus was “a hoax” ...because he cut the budget/staff at the CDC weeks before ...because he’s focused more on rallies than on governing and making sure we’re constantly prepared for any crisis as a country ...the list is much longer than this but here were are...because of a Trump.

  260. Accept it, America's health care system is probably worse than a third world country. If you are millionaire and need niche cancer treatment from noble price winning doctors, you could go to Johns Hopkins. But otherwise you can thank your friendly Republican congress member for this misery. On top of that you have people like Trump and Devin Nunes who are misleading public at every turn.

  261. There’s a very real chance that this virus is here because of an accident in a Wuhan virology lab. That’s a narrative that China will do anything to stop. So it very well be their fault. That said, we need to act decisively. This virus spreads aggressively and does kill middle aged adults. The individuals that are not killed are 20-30 year olds... many asymptomatic carriers. We can’t let them go out!! I’m at one I’d the frontline areas (SF) where it’s not terrible YET. We don’t want to be Seattle or Italy. We need a national lockdown in place today.

  262. @Ivan there’s an even bigger chance that this virus was developed in Ft. Detrick Maryland by the CIA and US Army, and unleashed in China, but then couldn’t be contained there! We need a national lockdown, and a national lockup: of Trump, Pence, Nunes, and every one of those liars.

  263. @Ivan I thought it was those pesky pangolins and other beasts that all the folks in Wahoo were eating.

  264. I'm still upset that Trump pulled us out of the nuclear treaty. I blame him for turning down the help that was offered to us when the coronavirus was first discovered. He only cares about himself, personal profit, his poll numbers and getting re-elected. Our country is going down the tubes every day while he is president. He actually needs to be in prison with all his campaign staff from 2016. He threw them all under the bus because he is such a wonderful man.

  265. I'm still upset that Trump pulled us out of the nuclear treaty. I blame him for turning down the help that was offered to us when the coronavirus was first discovered. He only cares about himself, personal profit, his poll numbers and getting re-elected. Our country is going down the tubes every day while he is president. He actually needs to be in prison with all his campaign staff from 2016. He threw them all under the bus because he is such a wonderful man.

  266. He is not a wonderful man. Say what you really mean.

  267. @karen Now he is pardoning them. That should come as a sigh of relief that his white collar friend have been pardoned while nonviolent people of color get to stay in jail.