“To them, getting sick is a sin because it prevents them from doing God’s work.”
When I read that line, I immediately thought of Samuel Butler’s novel “Erewhon,” (pub.1872) about a satirical utopia where being sick is not a “sin,” but a criminal offense, and criminality is treated as an illness. I don’t think there was anything in it about not wearing glasses in church.
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Although community gathering places are obviously a potential area of concern everywhere, I shudder thinking about what will ultimately happen when this virus finally reaches Mexico with its limited healthcare system and its daily commuters, which number in the 10's of thousands, begin bringing this highly communicable disease into the southern U.S. I highly doubt that Trump et al. have a realistic, proactive plan in place to address this potential risk.
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@RMiller That would be a good question to ask the candidates at the next Democrate debate what they would do.
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Well, I bet Trump will immediately use it as an excuse to shut the border.
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I certainly agree, this definitely would be a fair topic for the Democrats at their next debate. However, in the interim, I would hope that the press will raise this hypothetical concern with Trump et al. since until at least next January, it is the Republicans who will control the Executive branch, not the Democrats.
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This article implies the church is solely responsible for the infection surge in Korea, which is not totally true. Korean doctors association have continuously demanded the government should ban the entry of people who visit China, but the Moon administration declined without a proper reason. The spreader woman never visited China. At the end of January, over 1,000 people travelled Daegu. She must be infected from the chinese. This surge of infections is primarily due to the pro-China Moon government stupid policy.
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@CH
I am also disgruntled with the government's naive response just before the surge about the 'exit policy' after days of no new infections. However, the policy to ban Chinese people is really not effective. (and gov't had proper reasons not to do it)
Statistics show that among 350+ infections, infections due to Chinese visitors are only 4. Most are triggered by Koreans who returned from china/Thailand/Israel, like patient 31 who is presumably infected from fellow cult members who did open their church in Wuhan last year.
It is impossible to ban the entry of people reentering their home country (unless it is North Korea), and it is already too late to ban the entry unless you will lock out Koreans who happened to be in China.
Currently, bans are quite strong already concerning China. Everyone who visited China in 2 wks are ineligible for visa-free entry, all passports /visas issued in Wuhan is revoked, and basically visa application in china is blocked right now. More ban will only hurt Korean economy, which heavily relies on China for the materials.
KMA(Korea Medical Assoc.) had been recently acting in quite politically questionable ways, due to the new national healthcare reform to increase the coverage, with the .far-right leader (who is just a GP ironically). The KCDC is working more with the actual experts in SNU Medical Centre. I do still think that the gov't action was inadequate and naive, but I don't think banning Chinese would have worked at all.
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Every single one of those members needs to be jailed and tried.
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OMG, this is going to be very bad, not just for South Korea but neighboring countries. Not just stupid but criminal behavior considering the severity of this virus.
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@Don Juan - - - China's government allowed people who it had to know were exposed to the virus to travel to the U.S. capital and to the big meeting in Switzerland that the U.S. President was for a long time scheduled to attend.
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Perhaps the Big Kahuna upstairs is trying to tell them they joined the wrong church.
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This appears to be South Korea's answer to our own absurd anti scientific views whether we are speaking of climate change, anti vaxxers, or the irrational fear of GMO's. Science needs to be accepted and embraced if data is empirically proven whether such data goes against the political left or right.
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The virus is more about the inhumane, unsanitary and sometimes illegal collection, transport, confinement and vicious slaughter of wild and domestic animals in the wet markets of China.
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@Mike
In the beginning, yes, but it is well past that now.
This is an unusual situation where we have some notion
of the origin, but it is spreading the same as any
other contagion.
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I do wonder that if the Messiah did return, would he recognize the crazy people doing crazy things in her name. Karl Marx may have gotten economics wrong. But, he nailed religion to the cross. BINGO!
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I must confess that the words "shadowy church" evoke a certain frisson.
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Whatever this money-making business really is, it's about as much about Christianity or Jesus as the cartels moving drugs north to the U.S. border.
South Korea has seen crooks wearing religion on their sleeves before, and this crew won't be the last.
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I’ve heard of religion as a crutch. This one is more of an actual disease apparently.
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Religion continues to hold us back. Whether it’s the crowding and no masks etc in South Korea or people who think praying is a substitute for medical treatment of diabetes, superstition and ignorance always make things worse. In an interconnected, over populated world with a growing list of difficult problems the backwardness of our primitive past is not useful.
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@AT someone has to say it.
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@AT Religion - as you call it - has existed as long as the human being. Originally it took the form of shamanism - a naturalistic spiritualism assisted by natural hallucinogenic concoctions. Originally shamans were women because they had intimate knowledge of plants, as medicines, foods and drugs.
That form of religion still exists in many older cultures.
What you are talking about is organized religion. This is where groups of men - only - conspire with the state to make all the believers into supporters of the state, in other words slaves.
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Religion is not to blame for the explosion of this outbreak and yet you appear to seek to assert linkage. COVID-19 started in a nirvana for the freedom from religion set, China. The next biggest outbreak site by far is a very modern cruise ship-no primitive, superstitious backwardness there, either.
If COVID-19 is declared a pandemic, which seems increasingly likely, and really starts to affect our daily lives, belief in a higher power and an eye toward an afterlife will be one of the main reasons civil society remains civil. Maybe switch to finding some way to blame President Trump for COVID-19 (sarcasm definitely intended.)
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In the end, it may not be radicalism, fascism, bigotry, intolerance, or any other movement that reduces us to dust. It may be that we will perish from simple ignorance.
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@TRA
We are in a life and death struggle with microbes, and there is no guarantee we will win.
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Common sense indicates it is prudent to avoid crowds and non-essential meetings with large groups of people. Is attending church that essential when disease is afoot? If one's faith is strong and sincere, it ought to be able to endure for a few weeks without a weekly booster shot of preaching. Unless of course the collection plate needs replenishment. I don't think anybody is trying to single out any particular church; but, this one by its actions or lack of prudence sure draws justifiable criticism.
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@John Warnock It shows why many, many people considers Shincheonji a cult. They anre unfortunately good at screaming 'religious persecution'.
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@John Warnock
According to some of the articles shared around in Korean online communities, apparently this "church" is a "doomsday prophesy cult", with the belief that the world will meet its end and only they will ascend to some sort of heaven to become a ruling class once their numbers reach 140,000 members (despite the fact that they now have +300,000 members).
To illustrate just how much of a cult they are, they also believe themselves to be invincible (some attempting to throw themselves off buildings to show it off), and some of the rumored leaks from their internal communities show orders from their priests to their followers to continue going out for solicitations regardless of the closer, including to the attendees of the very church the super-spreader went to.
They also have a branch in Wuhan, China, and the rumors say they especially sent missionaries to Wuhan when they heard the virus broke out to do solicitations for new members.
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@John Warnock You are so right!!! It's all about money!
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The morbidly fascinating thing about the Corona virus is how it is playing out across different societies and cultures, and the shared humanity that is present from all regions in this global battle that has shrunk the world to the size of a city block.
The virus itself is very unique and in some ways is is acting in a curious way, for instance very few children have been infected by the virus, it has a very long incubation period, most carriers of the virus don't even feel sick, we still don't know if a symptom-free host can spread the virus, let us pray that they can't.
The Human race is always learning and every disaster has its own unintended blessings. Antibiotics came out of the needs of world war 2. Perhaps there are lessons that the Corona Virus has to teach, after all necessity is the mother of invention.
But one thing is clear there are many brilliant men and women in a race to stop this virus, " so few doing so much for so many". Let us not forget that even as you read this, so many courageous men and women all over the world are on the front lines batting it in Hospitals, as ambulance drivers, in labs working on vaccines, soldiers, policemen , officials and of these some of the bravest have already fallen.
Many others will fall before this is done.
Let us keep all those brave souls all over the world, those men and women who have accepted this challenge, who didn't run, those men and women of extraordinary valor, let us keep them all in our prayers tonight.
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@Lonnie
Excellent point. Thank you.
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@Lonnie I pray that there is a god and that she is listening to your prayers. Pray for gun control, climate change, domestic violence, a cure for cancer and maybe a cure for the evangelicals stealing much needed money in the name of (fill in your God here).
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Which supernatural human faith doesn't consider any other supernatural human faith a cult or blasphemous or sacrilegious?
What does any of that have to do with the natural health, medical, science and technology needed to respond to the coronavirus crisis?
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@Blackmamba It doesn't have to do with the medical and scientific elements but with the secrecy of the group. The secrecy may be both cause and effect of its being shunned by mainstream religion, but that's how the virus has been able to spread so much. It's not terribly different from local leaders not wanting to draw attention to illness occurring on their watch and keeping information hidden from view.
Think of any closed off group in the US that also has some contact with people on the outside but is suspicious of government information and how the disease would spread once it got into that group.
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@Pat This group is much more aggressive in it's proselytizing. It's members on on the street, in crowds, probably approaching as closely as they can to make a contact. Combined with their cult rules if they are now a primary infection source, they are profoundly dangerous.
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Re: "...Which supernatural human faith doesn't consider any other supernatural human faith a cult or blasphemous or sacrilegious?" {@Blackmamba}
The violence, 'N nonsensical-piety-rhetoric-saturated competition for a shrinking, (potential), believer_base is a fascinating, (epidemiological), phenomenon, all by itself!
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Beware, the Chinese government hates religious groups and with tensions rising they will look for smearing targets to avert attention from their own failures.
Editor’s note: This comment has been anonymized in accordance with applicable law(s).
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@Peter This article is about a situation that is happening in South Korea. I've heard they are quite tolerant to religious groups.
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@Peter
This article concerns South Korea, not China.
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‘China’s secrecy has made the crisis much worse’. We don’t get reliable facts from China’s government. We get glimpses of what might be true.
Last week, Wu Yuanbin, director at the Chinese Ministry of Science and Technology, wrote in an official press release, that “China should enhance its management of viruses and bio agents at all labs and research institutes. The competent authorities also emphasized the need to strengthen the management of laboratories, especially viruses, to ensure biosecurity.”
In April 2004 the SARS virus escaped a BSL3 lab in Beijing at least three times. That led to doubts about the safety of Chinese virus labs. China had been correctly accused of secrecy and mendacity in the 2002 SARS outbreak, leading to more deaths. The new 2004 outbreak of SARS in Beijing was the fault of a series of flaws at the CDC's National Institute of Virology. World scientists wanted details about these new 2004 SARS infections and how the virus escaped the lab. More secrecy.
2020 - Why hasn’t China allowed independent investigators to access the Wuhan Institute of Virology BSL4 labs? Investigators could then rule out or implicate the lab as being the source. The lab handled strains of the coronaviruses. One could have escaped and infected patient zero. More secrecy.
BSL4 labs are highly complex. American CDC labs have also had compliance and safety issues documented by our government and press. Commonly, lab incidents are unreported, here and in China.
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So much for "Do unto others." That is, unless they want to catch infectious diseases from others.
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not to make light of the spread of disease, it is a very serious problem that seems to be currently uncontained--but, "shadowy churches (or cults) are frequently at the center of many of the world's problems.
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@rodo
“This is essentially not a religious issue, but a medical and health issue,” Mr. Hwang said. “If we pay too much attention to religion, we miss the point. How would you explain the huge outbreak in Wuhan, China, which is not really caused by any church?”
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“Proselytizing ... even when sick.”
“sitting on the floor... close together... forbidden to use masks ... while singing during (presumably long?) services”
“secretive... don’t even tell families”
Looks like a perfect storm of infections among church members, their unsuspecting family members and the community at large who may have been proselytized or simply shopped in the same stores or lived in the same buildings.
Victims also now includes infected military personnel. Even the US has restricted its own military personnel in Korea to stay on base.
This is a nightmare scenario in South Korea. And a Potential problem for the US military as well.
Just trying to track down those possibly infected. Prying information out of a secretive “cult” it would appear.
And that’s just one country. While the virus respects no borders.
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What’s the difference between a cult and a church? A pertinent question to ask perhaps to Gorsuch or Kavanaugh?Or even to Trump who lately has become so pious!
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@WJ — she said in the “early days” of HIV/AIDS. I assume she means before scientists knew how it is transmitted.
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Sorry, but this is fear mongering.
Lots of people end up sitting in tight quarters. Lots of people don't wear masks (which don't work well unless used with precision). Lots of people avoid doctors. Lots of members of ethnic, social, and political minorities keep their heads down when others make it clear they are disliked. And many people prefer it that way until misfortune can be laid at the feet of the putative "secrecy" of those who are different. History is full of such episodes of scapegoating.
All sorts of people contract coronaviruses in all sorts of circumstances. But we read about the members of one church because they are a convenient target for indignation that fits the needs of writers on a deadline.
Mr. Hwang Gui-hag said it best at the end of the article: "If we pay too much attention to religion we miss the point."
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Crowded places are always a breeding ground for viruses and bacteria transmitted by the respiratory route. Separation of faith and public health should always be the guiding principle for governments and religious leaders should not interfere with proper practices for preserving public health. Guess how much damage has been done by those religious zealots and fanatics who blocked the use of physical barriers like condoms. Several different sexually transmitted disease spread faster globally and the HIV pandemic spread across continents and still remains to be eradicated at least in this century.
It is unfortunate that all means possible are not deployed to prevent the spread of Coronavirus and S. Korea has become the country with the second largest infection rate. The death rate is still less than 3% but if the infection sp[read is not checked 1000s more will die, much more than the 2500+ who have died. Adequate space between individuals on our planet will be the best vaccine until there is a vaccine. Asian way to greet other persons will be the best way. Bowing from a distance to another person or greeting with folded hands and saying namaste from a distance or just being content with chatting on Facebook or whatsapp and social media.
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@Girish Kotwal
I agree with the greeting. And to bow with folded hands and the word Namaste (I salute the light within you) is also a lovely prayer.
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One thing that's been really interesting in following the coverage of this virus is the light that has been shone on various things: religious zealotry in South Korea, government repression in China, etc. These things are not featured in a typical American news cycle and, clearly, should be.
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@Emily No. These are ancient civilizations with so much more wisdom than our upstart, naive country. Suppression of free speech in China should not be criticized. Only the US should be criticized.
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@Shamrock Evangelical Christianity in Korea's about as "ancient" as abstract painting.
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@Eye by the Sea
Your historical knowledge is quite incorrect. China has a much year longer civilization than the Western World.
The first Dynasty ruled the country from 1600 BC to 1046 BC.
The Great Wall was constructed from the 7th century BC and lasted until the late 1800s AD. A feat that has never existed in history, and fairly large remnants are still existing.
China was a large sophisticated nation long before before Europe, at a time when the US was not even on the map.
Western civilization started after the Middle Age in the 15th century, followed by the Enlightenment era, yet the latter has taken a big hit in the 21st century.
And don't forget on the next 4th of July that gunpowder was invented in China over 1000 years ago and lead to making fireworks at the same time.
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“South Korea has long been fertile ground for unorthodox religious groups, some of which have amassed enormous wealth and influence.”
Why?
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@Sbar21
South Korea has lower-than-average social hostility to religions. Lower than in the US and in the rest of Asia. Maybe because there is no dominant religion in South Korea.
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@Sbar21 So much for tolerance of different religious groups.
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@Sbar21. American evangelicals have proselytized SK for years. It is fertile ground because of the potential wealth to be made selling prayer.
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It was interesting to read about Shincheonji's practices regarding isolation of it's members from their families. It is very reminiscent of early (1960s-70s) Scientology. Mr. Hwang made the most salient point, that the issue here is public health, not the religious practice. Especially as harping on that aspect in the press, and by government will only serve to harden the response of practitioners.
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I see the international efforts on containing this outbreak as heroic and largely well tolerated by the affected individuals and populations. The largest danger is the paralysis of health systems caused by overwhelming demands for acute care. Survival rates are unacceptable compared to common viral infections, yes, but this is not a doomsday scenario as has been seen in some animal and plant populations. Human immune systems are advanced, with the greatest asset being extraordinary levels of cognition, communication and cooperation.
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@HearHear Remember many in Asia are cut off from the truth & up to date news. Chinese officials have been hiding the real figures since this began in December. That wipes out effective communication.
Once this takes hold on Africa, the statistics will be shocking & grim as medical care, supplies, etc won be in existence for the majority of African people.
Only plus is children appear to be immune to this virus. That may change at some point especially in communities where famine is already as issue & immunodeficiency problems are more prevalent.
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Reality meets religious delusion. Let's see which one prevails.
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@JCX Incisive comment!
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No religious delusion in China and yet the virus began there and has spread explosively there. To what do you attribute that since you do not have religion to blame?
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Poor people.
Nothing more to say other than come out and get treatment. No one wants to die slowly, and alone hiding someplace.
If prayer solved anything, don't religious people think that all the ills in the world would have been solved by now?
You cannot pray illness away, nor should you believe that, after getting treatment and praying, it was god who fixed your body. Get treatment, then go to church if you need to so as to handle the spiritual trauma. But a sick body should be cared for as such.
Hope they get help.
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@AutumnLeaf God made physicians, scientists and medical treatments too...and epidemiology, health services and prevention practices.
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@AutumnLeaf They are not only unwilling to listen to reason, but also want to poison everyone else with their proselytizing. Nothing new. Tax the church!
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It appears likely that this virus will get out of control within the US. Trump delayed for at least 7 days the imposition of the travel ban on people who had been to China (and quarantine of returning Americans). Many other countries have refused to impose travel bans resulting in spread now to other countries. Trump has failed to expand the travel ban to close the border to ALL non-US citizens wherever they come from (and quarantine of ALL returning Americans wherever they come from).
So, the virus is likely going to rage here soon. There is a situation existent that could become a major health threat in the US that encompasses much more than just the threat posed by this virus. For the past 20 years, through both Democrat and Republican administrations, the dammed politicians of both parties and the dammed pharmaceutical companies have allowed selfish pharmaceutical companies to rely upon China production of a large portion of our medicines. Even medicines manufactured outside China were allowed to become dependent upon China production of key ingredients of those medicines. That China production is now in severe jeopardy because of the virus raging in China. Americans could soon be facing lack of availability of many medications to treat many medical problems.
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@Errol - Closing the US border to all non-US citizens would shut the country down. With factories relying on just-in-time delivery, all those parts trucked in from outside the country that are driven bu non-US drivers would not be there. Flight crews, cruise ships, business travel, tourism, few industries would be able to operate. We are one world, dependent on each other. Either we learn to live co-operatively or, eventually, we all die.
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It appears likely that this virus will get out of control within the US. Trump delayed for at least 7 days the imposition of the travel ban on people who had been to China (and quarantine of returning Americans). Many other countries have refused to impose travel bans resulting in spread now to other countries. Trump has failed to expand the travel ban to close the border to ALL non-US citizens wherever they come from (and quarantine of ALL returning Americans wherever they come from).
So, the virus is likely going to rage here soon. There is a situation existent that could become a major health threat in the US that encompasses much more than just the threat posed by this virus. For the past 20 years, through both Democrat and Republican administrations, the politicians of both parties and the pharmaceutical companies have allowed selfish pharmaceutical companies to rely upon China production of a large portion of our medicines. Even medicines manufactured outside China were allowed to become dependent upon China production of key ingredients of those medicines. That China production is now in severe jeopardy because of the virus raging in China. Americans could soon be facing lack of availability of many medications to treat many medical problems.
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@Errol
The first plane that came in from the epicenter of this ill was quarantined in Alaske, then was quarantines in San Francisco and every one got a clean ill of health.
Then days later one of these passengers was sick with this illness, he had been in San Diego after he was ok'd to go home.
The problem is the testing of this ill.
This person went through 2 quarantines and tests and then days later tests positive. The tests are what did not work, the safe guards were in place.
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Isn't it interesting how this disease's most vulnerable targets seem to be authoritarian, closed systems? First, Beijing's paranoia and obsession with image delayed an effective response for a month, killing thousands. Then, an authoritarian church's secrecy and bizarre anti-scientific rules cause a massive outbreak in Korea. One hopes that Trump's obsession with protecting his image--and his authoritarian tendencies--have not totally penetrated the U.S. government. I like to think that the NIH and CDC still have independent thinkers in charge. It's probably good this didn't happen in Trump's inevitable second (or third, or fourth) term.
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@purpledog
The NIH and CDC top management were not independent thinkers during the Obama administration regarding Ebola. What makes you think there is even a shred of possibility they would become independent under the Trump administration.
NIH and CDC heads are political appointees by the president. Presidents usually pick former doctors who have become political hacks to fill those positions.
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South Korea isn’t an authoritarian country. You must be confusing with North Korea.
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There’s no confusion if you reread the original comment. The author writes that the church in question is authoritarian, not South Korea.
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Has anyone determined yet whether this virus is spread by spittle, coughed phlegm or hand-to-hand contact?
Something more than Pangolin Soufflé?
Or whether it really poses much of a threat to well-nourished healthy people?
Whether anti-virals are effective before or after exposure?
Whether we can whip up a vaccine, live or dead, in the typical method of creating vaccines against similar bugs?
Or are we too busy blaming cats for Plague again?
(Cats, as “witches’ familiars, who could have reduced the secondary vector of pestis pestis, Plague, the Black Death of the 14th Century, spread by fleas carried by rats, were massacred instead of sought out. Then again, leaders of the time didn’t believe in science, sort of like the current presi, no, can’t be, can it?)
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@Eatoin Shrdlu No, no one has thought of any of those things. The thousands of scientists around the world who are feverishly (no pun intended) working on this have not thought of any of this stuff. You are the first.
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@RM I wouldn't call medicine a science. It's more of a serf shearing system, that skins them in the end when all the profit has been squeezed out of them.
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@Chris No that is capitalist medicine, not the Do no harm medicine. Medicine is a science field it shouldn't be a money making enterprise. That is where you are seeing the conflict.
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This report is very well informed and balanced. Korean news media is afraid to report frankly about the cult nature of this religious group. The members of this religious group operate in secrecy, sometimes sneaking in other ordinary churches to wreak havoc and take them over. But on this occasion, the City Government of Daegu obtained the membership list of this cult, and for the first time the identities of the secret members can be made known public.
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@Ted Kim - S Koreans are well aware of the many cults operating within the country. Visitors are warned immediately about the plethora of religious folks (many from cults) who'll attempt to waylay you and begin proselytizing.
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@Ted Kim Great idea. We should do the same in the US, publish the names of people along with their religious affiliation.
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@Shamrock
Your point is valid. We shouldn't use the coronavirus as an excuse to force disclosure of religious affiliation, even if in a cult.
On the other hand, we should focus on cult-like features, not from a religious perspective, but from a public health perspective. It's no coincidence that the virus has exploded by and among Shincheonji members. We're talking about a group that has a lot of hallmarks of social control (putting aside their actual beliefs).
Shincheonji members also have a history of hiding their membership and pretending to be members of another religion for proselytizing. Members of their leadership apparently instructed them to lie about their status in the church and intentionally failed to take early safeguards to prevent the spread the virus.
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what bothers me about this is the hazmat suits the health care workers are wearing --and the bubble wrap the patient is wearing seen in the picture---
I worked in dentistry for 40 years....and even during the early days of AIDS when no one really knew anything...we did not suit up like that.
whats going on?
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@Joan HIV is spread by blood or sexual contact It is difficult to transmit That is totally different from how respiratory viruses are spread
If someone with HIV coughs or touches a doorknob , not a big problem If someone with coronovirus coughs or touches a doorknob- watch out! Shouldn’t a dentist know better?
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@WJ She said worked IN dentistry, so probably not an actual dentist. And I agree with all your points!
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I think you missed the part when Joan says in the early days of the AIDS crisis when people didn’t know anything ...
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Another article singling out a section of society to be blamed and tormented, let put the blame where it belongs on our leaders these type of viruses have been predicted by scientists over the last twenty years. Our leaders who we have voted in by our good faith and gullibility have been playing Russian roulette with our lives for years.
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@Cathykent78 Well, as of today, more than 80% of the country’s 346 virus cases have been directly linked to this particular church. I wouldn’t apply the notions of marginalization, exclusion, stigmatization or anything in that nature to this incident. Unless the church hadn’t posed a great threat to public health, few would really care to criticize what they do.
Spare us from zealotry and cruise ships!
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I had bern following this story on various South Korea news outlets. Very serious indeed for a country still technically at war with the North. The US military in Korea has put the entire city of Daegu, one of the 5 largest cities in Korea off limits. An outbreak in the Korean or US military stationed there could have dire consequences.
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@Pepperman
Would you say like the Flu of 1918? Let's hope not.
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Why was no one monitoring Patient 31 when she snuck out of the hospital?
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@Ron Read the article again. She wasn't confirmed to have the virus yet.
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She wasnt in a government-run hospital initially, so perhaps a private hospital or clinic does not have the authority to hold her.
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@Ron The Shinchonji are trained to evade and avoid confrontation. They are masters of evasion. It is not easy to avoid getting tested. This woman knew what she was doing.
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