Not much has changed.
It's Bernie's and Pete's ball game.
Elizabeth isn't used to playing offense.
Amy isn't used to playing defense.
Bloomberg stayed on the bench, unprepared.
Biden was the grandfather, trying to impress.
Next?
Bloomberg may have his eye on the next Medal of Freedom.
He's pledged to support the nominee.
The biggest issue is no optimistic message from Democrat Candidates. What is their bumper sticker? Obama Hope & Change, Trump MAGA. Is it just I hate Trump & half the country? Because if it is that’s not a winning message. Elections aren’t won on hate.
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Bloomberg revealed all the hallmarks in last night's Las Vegas debate of a guy who should be challenging Trump for the Republican nomination.
He is racist, as shown by his NYPD to surveillance of Muslims, and by carrying out the infamous "stop and frisk" policy in only minority neighborhoods.
He supports redlining, which discriminates against where racial minorities can buy and sell property.
Bloomberg demanded a number of non-disclosure agreements be signed by female employees, which he said were "consensual" and caused by a "joke" they didn't like. He refused to release these women from their NDAs.
Bloomberg proudly pointed out that he was the only Democratic candidate who had started a business. Sanders' remark that Bloomberg became wealthy via his employees, not by himself, was appreciated.
Then Bloomberg's charged directly into the lying talking point territory of Republicans, calling Sanders' Democratic Socialism "Communism", and claiming Sanders wanted to end Capitalism.
He failed to mention that Democratic Socialism is the form of government of EU countries and Canada, where Capitalism is very much alive and well.
His philanthropy can make him look like a better guy than Trump--he has given to environmental causes.
But this guy is no Democrat, he's a more subtle Trump. He should have challenged Donald.
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As a foreigner watching / viewing commentary of the debate I have to say it was truly awful. If this continues you might as well resign yourself to another term for the incumbent.
The spectacle was unedifying to say the least. Speakers arguing over who knows which president of which country or other personal attacks. The bottom line is I saw a room full of people who want to be "trump busting" candidates but none of them gave me that impression, not helped by what your TV channels call "moderators" who did nothing of the sort.
Very little policy, very little substance.
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This debate was little less than a play ground brawl. I still don't know what Bloomberg has to offer. He didn't say anything.
This debate was pretty disappointing. All the kids got to pile on.
Show us some maturity.
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Last night’s debate was a nightmare and hard to watch. Please let us stop destroying ourselves and any chance we have of saving our Country. Why were questions not asked about Trump’s take over of the Justice Department, the Purging of those Patriots who honored Congressional Subpoenas’, Trump directed DOJ investigations of his opponents and the previous administration along with coverup attempts to re-define the Russian interference in the 2016 election to a Democratic/ Ukraine plot. Please, Democrats, get serious here, these are dangerous times. Stop with the petty nonsense, unify for the fight of a lifetime and let’s move together against the real enemies, Donald Trump, Mitch McConnell and the Republicans enabling the destruction of our Democracy. Last night was awful. The moderators were destructive to the process. I yearned for Judy Woodruff!
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I’d never seen or heard Bloomberg speak, though I’ve heard a lot about him in recent months. I could not have been more underwhelmed. He seemed older. tired, and less articulate than any of the other candidates on the stage. Warren’s attack on him for his attitudes toward women was devastating. His best point was that Sanders should not be calling billionaires immoral when Sanders is a millionaire with three homes (!), but Bloomberg didn’t develop that point about the inequities Sanders’ own wealth reflects. For those many Americans who make only $50,000 or less per year and who can barely afford one home, how is Sanders’ millionaire status and three-home property position not “immoral” according to Sanders’ own moral logic? It’s a matter of relative perspective. No one expects Sanders to live in a shack, but there’s a big difference between living in a shack and owning three expensive homes, including a lovely lake house. I will not be voting for either Sanders or Bloomberg. Let’s hope a reasonable alternative to those two becomes clear soon. Please come back, Cory Booker!
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Warren's shrill finger wagging preaching will turn off the Midwest states we need to win 270 electoral votes.
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Mike Bloomberg was the only candidate who realizes that Democrats should be focused on defeating Trump, not tearing each other down. I will be voting for Mike on Super Tuesday.
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@Cal except for Buttigieg, the other candidates are all seasoned politicians who know *exactly* what the priority is. In fact there isn't a Democrat alive who doesn't know that the most important thing is defeating Trump. Bloomberg knows that's the highest priority as well, but if he were really committed to defeating Trump, he would put all his money behind one of the moderate candidates, instead of throwing it away on a vanity campaign.
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@Cal
It's a debate.
Gloves off.
Think on your feet.
It's practice for the big one.
You don't win by losing.
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Well, I'm glad Pete brought up the threats from Bernie supporters - and NO Bernie - it is NOT normal.
It is a constant pattern and death threats happened in 2016, as well in Nevada.
It is a reflection of an angry campaign engaged in, and dentendet on, lies, exaggerations and conspiracy theories - to the point that some folks who buy into all the nonsense actually feel they are justified in fighting and attacking others as if they are in a war.
The lies and conspiracies to drum up anger and hatred and support for his campaign reminds me too much of Trump - and his methods - even if Trump is far worse and a far far bigger threat to our country and our Democracy.
We simply don't need more division and violence and hatred in this country
Just as a reminder of past Bernie supporter violence issues from 2016:
https://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/17/us/politics/bernie-sanders-supporters-nevada.html
and yes there are loads and loads of examples - it is a consistent pattern
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The over the top attacks on Bloomberg will have, I'm afraid, made him a sympathetic figure for many Democrats and Independents. St. Bernie refusing to release his medical records, after his recent heart attack, should have made Democrats think of Donald Trump. Buttigieg and Bloomberg take the award for remaining calm despite the fiasco. They should have gone down the line asking who the Mexican president was. Neither Yang nor Steyer were credible candidates but they brought something to the debates that was clearly missing tonight. As usual (with the exception of the PBS moderated debate) this format favored the arm wavers, the loudest voices in the room, the sloganeers. The better the candidate the less patience they would have for an event like tonight?
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@Robert So you're ok with Mike getting the nomination without his tax returns released?
Nobody forced him to be a candidate.
No sympathy from me.
This was a poor decision, like Biden's.
The most interesting thing I learned is that they won't support the candidate who gets the most delegates. All except Sanders, who doesn't have the most delegates now.
A surefire way to sow division in November.
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I'm not focused on the candidates' voice quality, hand gestures, or whether they "sound like a school teacher" (whatever negative image that's supposed to convey). All I care about are their plans and policies. I agree that a town hall setting would work better in getting that information out there. The journalists (print, television, and internet) are only focused on generating headlines and sound bites. But this is what we have to work with, so let's try to parse out the ideas the candidates espouse and ignore the non-essentials.
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When confronted with the NDAs questions, Bloomberg's response was more than a couple of times:
"We'll live with it."
Meaning, this is how it is and so be it.
These women signed NDAs and this is how it is. "We'll live with it."
The most arrogant thing said in any of the debates so far.
You can just see how, billionaire that he is, he's just used to having things his way.
His embarrassing debate performance was truly repulsive to watch.
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@Eric - My comment (24 recs at 02:10 EST, 08:10 AM here in Sweden focuses on the NDAs, as at least 4 of my comments during the preceding 4 days have.
I repeat from those: We already have one self-proclaimed billionaire sexist who "lives by the NDA" as president. We do not need another real billionaire sexist who openly has demeaned women (I did not view the debate but heard a clip of Elizabeth Warren quoting Bloomberg).
I followed the debate by reading the Times chat coverage that made clear, repeatedly, that Elizabeth Warren was really cooking, and that Klobuchar and Bloomberg were not. (I have comments in print suggesting Warren President, Klobuchar Vice President).
Yet Bloomberg fans are again out in force insisting that he is the only one of those on stage qualified to be president.
Nonsense.
Thanks for the comment and the carefully framed typography putting that last sentence there for all too read.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
Citizen US SE
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@Eric , given the fact that Bloomberg was the target of numerous attacks, I thought he did very well. Apparently there were some legal cases between some women and the Bloomberg organization, and these was settled amicably. Why should this be undone?
And if Bloomberg did call a woman horse faced or some similar name, who cares? There is little or no evidence that Mayor Bloomberg or his companies generally treated women badly , if voters were to judge harshly every time a candidate lost his temper or called someone a name, we would have no one to vote for.
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Many people commenting here don't seem to realize that by definition, people contradict each other in a debate. The debaters are supposed to point out the flaws and weaknesses in their opponents' statements. I didn't see "blood letting" or a "circular firing squad." I did have an opportunity to form an opinion on how well the candidates express themselves, and how their personalities might help them win and govern. As Harry Truman said, "If you can't stand the heat, stay out of the kitchen."
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@Linda
We have watched a lot of debates and yes, they often do that but not like this.
When we found out who would be moderating everyone was commenting about how we were going to get a horrible food fight and they were right.
So, no - this is type of a debate is not the norm in the same way that the death threats from Bernie supporters are not normal either
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@Linda -- This wasnt just contradictions. It was interruptions, ad hominum attacks, sniping, screaming, recycled talking points, stories about their humble upbringings, disingenuousness, open hostility, and pettiness. The difference between this and the first several, cordial, debates was shocking. They gave us a taste of how they'd govern, all right. They showed their true colors, and they are all different shades of Trump orange.
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@Linda a debate is supposed to be an adversarial discussion of ideas. I'm halfway through the rebroadcast and so far there has been more crosstalk, shouting, and insults disguised as meaningful policy positions than there has been productive discussion. it's a mess.
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It was a shark tank tonight but I don't agree with the readers who think the squabbles played into Trump's hands. It's a critical point in the race and I'm glad Sanders was put on the hot seat and Bloomberg was called out for being the sexist, arrogant bore billionaire the Democratic party should have no use for as a presidential candidate.
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@Patrick , it is scary to me that's so many people seem to hate Mayor Bloomberg merely because he is rich. It seems that many people are just plain jealous.
This is a man who had very humble beginnings. He was not born rich. Mayor Bloomberg became rich because of his wisdom, hard work and executive skills. There is not a shred of evidence that Mayor Bloomberg earned his wealth dishonestly or illegally. I see nothing wrong with being very successful. I think those are excellent qualities for a leader and a president.
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@Fatso I have no problem with the man's wealth per se, and I think it's inappropriate when people frame wealth as something objectionable in itself, and like you, I admire Bloomberg's self-made success.
What I object to is his blatant attempt to buy his way into the presidency. I think anyone who runs for president without qualifications is at best deluded and at worst a raging narcissist, and I don't consider being a mayor adequate experience. So here's a guy whose basically a dilettante thinking his money will compensate for the deficiencies in his resume. It's offensive.
I moreover object to the idea that business success automatically translates into governmental leadership ability. A self-made billionaire is someone who perhaps has earned the right to be a thought leader or to have other kinds of influence in society that regular people don't have; I don't have a problem with that. But I DO have a problem with treating the US like just another big corporation to run. And I'm not anti-business or anti-capitalism--it's just that our country is NOT a business and it's inappropriate, and in Bloomberg's case extremely arrogant, to think you can apply that model and have everything work out.
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@Fatso -- You seem to forget that Bloomberg has ample executive experience as mayor of one of the largest and toughest cities to govern in the world, with a population and budget larger than most states. If you don't think mayor counts, you must not think much of Buttigieg. Is legislative experience the only government experience that qualifies? Mayor and governor are closer to the executive management experience of president. Every candidate is trying to buy the election, just with other peoples money.
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Does the best debater REALLY ensure the person is the best presidential material? I think not. Town halls provide a much better glimpse of the candidate's substance and platform. Unfortunately, the media entities sponsoring the debates do not see that as the best "show".
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I agree, town halls provide more, in depth information and don’t require the candidates to snipe at each other in search of a sound bite that will go viral.
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The candidates get more chance to speak about their policies in late night shows than here.
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Did I miss much?
I think the whole idea of debates is stupid to begin with. So you are a great public speaker. That does not make you a good executive. It doesn't even make you a good lawyer (Dershowitz?). I don't want a candidate who is quick on their toes or good with a zinger. I want a candidate who will ONLY read from a teleprompter after a team has carefully parsed every last word. And one without a Twitter account.
At this point, if a deaf person runs, they have my vote.
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This was an extremely unpleasant and divisive debate which Trump must have loved.
But What was most upsetting to me was the Times’ reporters live running commentary. It was sarcastic, gratuitously nasty and was a frat party for journalists. The reader came along for the ride while the reporters made snarky, inside comments at the candidate’s expense.
It was also obvious which candidate they preferred. As a lifelong Times reader, this was a low point.
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It was a good lively debate. Nobody was toppled. Any one of them is better than Trump. Joe Biden was stronger tonight, in a natural way, not like he was out to prove anything. Bloomberg is pretty unflappable - he has some me_too_hashtags circling over his head like a mobile - which he tried to whisk away but fell short.
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Bloomberg is buying 300 Facebook ads per minute.
It looks like he’s also buying comments on nytimes.com.
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@Jeff D - Exactly what I have wondered. I heard that he was in some way paying individuals to praise him on social media, but I do not know exactly how or if that is confirmed.
But a day or two ago at a column where there were over 3000 comments I wrote that I did not understand why there was such a flood of effusive praise for Bloomberg, praise with not a mention of the many flaws brought out by debaters.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
Citizen US SE
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Bloomberg doesn’t need to pay me, I like him. He was my Mayor for 12 years and I would have voted him in as Mayor-for-Life. He gave New Yorkers an identity. He didn’t play games with snow removal like deBlasio. Bloomberg rolled up his sleeves and rebuilt a broken city. He knows when to admit he is wrong and fix it. What politician has ever admitted he was wrong??
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Some obvious bump, set, spikes in that debate - volleyball players know what I mean.
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My God, Warren for President!
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@Shane Murphy - I am making today's contribution as soon as I finish reading a few comments and replying to a few.
When I make that contribution I must give my USA passport number, which makes me wonder if Donald has found a way to get at that database.
I see no reason why my passport number is needed. I am a US citizen voting in Monroe County, New York via absentee ballot.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
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I turned it off after 10 minutes, horrified. Somehow politics became entertainment in this country. It's not the Giants vs. Dodgers where you cheer and jeer and go home smug after your team "wins." We're trying to figure out who will best guide a drifting country, rent by racial and class divisions. Good job torpedoing the Centrists. When Bernie goes Full Bernie and starts talking about his Socialist Utopia the sound you'll hear is middle America checking their wallets -- realizing they already pay high taxes -- and quietly siding with Trump. Great zingers though!
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@Justanne - Bernie is of course not talking about Socialist Utopia, he is simply talking about what we who live in countries with Universal Health Care, best statistics for longevity, maternal and infant health care and much more have.
As for who will guide this country, I thought we all agreed that we do not want another billionaire sexist male who lives by the Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) as President. The one we have, self-proclaimed billionaire, is more than enough.
Elizabeth Warren will, in a few minutes, get today's contribution from me. I have written a few times in the past 4 days that I would accept Amy Klobuchar as her VP if Amy K could help on the more conservative side of the party.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
Citizen US SE
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I share the feeling of many that the "moderators" did just about the opposite of moderating this debate. Sadly, all too many of the debates have been the same too - although this was the worst so far. The "moderators" were like picadors at a bullfight - trying to almost literally goad the candidates into attacking each other. Sadly, the candidates for the most part obliged. I did appreciate Bernie noting that, once the fighting is over, all the candidates will hopefully come together to support the nominee; but look at all the ammunition that's been handed to Trump to use against whoever is the nominee! Fox news could not have done better!
I thought Bernie and Warren did pretty well, and Bloomberg had his dirty laundry hung out for all to see.
I agree with others that this "debate" format should be tossed. A political campaign should not be a reality TV show (despite Donald Trump). We need reasoned analysis of policies, not candidates hacking and jabbing at one another.
I was glad that the debate finally spent some time on climate change (and no, Joe, it's not called global warming any more). I wish there had been more discussion of the international implications. China is far less the villain than is India or Brazil, and the Paris Accords are an international embarrassment for their inadequacy. We need a president that can provide leadership in that arena. We need WAY more than just undoing Trump's damage.
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Joe Biden has a steady hand on the till both politically and personally. He is the perfect foil that DJT fears.
The impeachment hearings proved that.
All the rest sounded like a screaming match between parents on the verge of divorce.
NO: I do wish to be ‘Burned by Bernie’ and his army of cancel culture neophytes. I remember Dukakis.... they don’t.
Postscript: Shame on the hecklers for interrupting Biden. They only gave DJT ammunition for a tomorrow’s tweet takedown.
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Bloomberg was so bad he made Biden look good. Klobuchar and Buttigieg were like a couple quarreling in a diner before breaking up. Warren was strong. Bernie was Bernie.
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Lots of television commentators are saying Bernie Sanders won the debate. I have no idea what debate they were watching. Several other candidates pointed out that he doesn't know how to pay for his health care plan or how much it will cost. That's an important point. It is easy to make promises impossible to keep.
Bernie is Trump's dream candidate.
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@Northernd I think the Pete was on point when he mentioned that it also reflects on Bernie's leadership that he seems to have the most divisive supporters. He also needs to be transparent about his health. I don't think he won the debate. Liz, on the other hand, showed us that she has the guts, intellect and command to rip apart a billionaire with baggage. Mike is orders of magnitude more appealing than Trump, but if she can shred him like that, I look forward to having her as the nominee.
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Watching candidates repeat talking points or attack each other... it doesn’t inform. As soon as any of them launched into their spiel you tune out. People watch Trump because he’s inflammatory. He’s not interesting the minute he stays on script and he knows it. The question we have to ask is what do you want running the country America? There’s no mystery here.
I don’t know who to be disgusted with more, dark money, social media and their refusal to be accountable for what they’ve wrought, or the amoral “leaders” using both to pollute this country.
One thing you have to give Bloomberg. It’s his money. Isn’t it better to know where the money came from? Did he spend it on causes you can get behind? Can he admit his mistakes?
Bloomberg’s still got my vote.
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@Marie Becker Sorry, this reasoning makes no sense - Sanders' money comes from the American people, and donations average $18, whereas Bloomberg's money has come from exploiting a broken labor system for billions of dollars. And sure you can admit to being a sexist and a racist, and say you're sorry, but that doesn't make Bloomberg better than any other candidate. On the contrary, because of his despicable actions, he is in fact the least electable.
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@Marie Becker Amen
@Marie Becker So he's bought you - just like he's buying the airwaves, and hopes to buy America. Wow. If I was Trump, I'd be pulling for either Bloomberg or Buttigeig. He could shred them into tiny pieces and stamp on the remains.
Sadly, the big winner in tonight's debate wasn't on stage. He was off selling more snake oil at another MAGA-rally.
The big loser - NBC, for creating a farcical format that was reminiscent of the Jerry Springer Show.
Some punches were landed against Bloomberg, but he was the only one who made an attempt to stay above the frantic fray.
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I'll vote for anyone besides Bloomberg. I'm sorry, I'd rather see 4 more years of the Dems out to pasture than see them replace a Republican billionaire with another Republican billionaire.
If Dems nominate Bloomberg I will know for certain that the Democratic Party is terminally lost and no longer represents the American lower and middle class. Instead, the Dems will just be the corporate Republican party with some socially liberal positions. That's not what I believe in.
I'll vote for any of the candidates besides Bloomberg. Especially if there is a brokered convention and the superdelegates push him over the top. If that happens I'll vote third party again just like I did in 2016, and I'll hope that another 4 years of Trump will finally destroy the hold that the elites and the media have on the Democratic party.
I mean, in everywhere besides NYC and LA the thought of having two NYC billionaires fight it out to lead this country is just disgusting. When will people realize that the twitterverse and NYT only represents a minority of Democratic voters? When will people start to vote again for what they believe in instead of vague ideas of electability or the power of money? Maybe we need 4 more years of Trump to get to that point.
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@ Jacqueline
Why did you not put your energy into building third parties up or fight for election rules that give better chances to third parties to be represented in legislatures? The Greens have been around a while - but are stuck at the 2 percent level.
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For me tonight was just too uncivil. Too hyperbolic, too inaccurate, too gratuitously damaging, too much intentional misrepresentation, too much waffling when the opposite was called for. I had a whole peck of complaints written down here but good sense got the better of me, and I deleted them. It's time for all of them to start preparing their supporters to vote for the nominee no matter who it is. It's time for the Democrats and their candidates to give some real thought to Senate coattails, even if that means moderating their positions now, or beginning now to strongly support and protect one another.
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Bloomberg all the way. No nonsense down to earth. He has nothing to lose.
The others, except Sanders, seemed desperate.
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I was at a class and didn't get to watch this. My mother was supremely put off by Warren and Sanders . She thinks Amy talks about herself too much. She never mentioned Biden. She thought Pete was the most measured and rational. The thought Bloomberg was OK, but the rest were spending too much time piling on him. Do these debates really mean a whole lot? Is watching the candidates trash each other useful? And then down the road those doing the trashing are all of a sudden supposed to start singing the praises of the one left standing. At this point I must say I'm not very enthused about any of them. Who knows how it will end, but I'm depressed as to whether any of the candidates left can defeat Trump.
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@dairyfarmersdaughter Pete is calm and glib. A smooth talker. Rational? That’s a stretch. His position are the same semi socialist rubbish as all the rest of the pack— if you actually listen to him.
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We have a primary here on March 3. I’m a registered Dem.
Bloomberg was terrible. Big disappointment. He should have been aggressive in responding to challenges about his wealth, the city’s policing tactics and his own business practices. If he were Trump, he would have buried the challengers. Instead, he looked lost and defensive. Sanders is a disgrace. He’s a broken record on government giveaways, but could be attractive, if those who have nothing to lose actually vote. Why would anyone who has worked hard vote for someone who wants to take it away. When they lose their health care, can’t see a doctor and then lose their job because corporations fire workers to offset higher taxes, then what will Bernie say? Buttigieg has so little substance that all he could do was harass and belittle Klobuchar. Klobuchar punched back but started to wilt. Trump would bury her. Warren wants to instruct and tell pithy stories. She’s very smart but maybe too smart. We need a leader, not a professor. Biden was at least not sleepy.
Overall: Trump wins.
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Almost an hour into the debate I was so sick of the candidates spending all their time trying to "stick it" to the others. It was like a political food fight: fast, furious, sloppy, and with little regard for the target or the fact that each one was getting dirtier with every sling. And the moderators were no better; just tossing out questions that fed the frenzy. Where's the policy discussion? A lot of finger pointing on healthcare doesn't pass as a policy debate. How to win in November by building a coalition might be a good discussion. Or maybe climate, or jobs. Oh wait, here comes a climate-related question from moderator Jon Ralston. After an hour. And like so many of the questions, it went unanswered with the candidates sliding into platitudes and bullet-point nonsense. I turned off the TV.
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Can’t say I was a fan of the NBC debate format. What a divisive, unpleasant food fight! Raising hands? What, we’re back in kindergarten?Interrupting, shouting, snark. The candidates were so busy tearing each other down they barely mentioned Trump at all. It was physically painful to watch and the whole Democratic Party suffered a defeat tonight IMHO.
Looks like we are going to get stuck with Bernie, which will be a replay of 1972. Or the super delegates will snuff him at the convention and we’ll suffer 1968 all over again. Either way I fear we are in for another four years of Cheeto head. The only hope is for three or four of them to drop out now and support anybody but Bernie.
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Warren won this debate hands down. Hopefully it breathes some life into her campaign. Bloomberg didn't look as good as I had hoped. I'm voting blue no matter who.
If you're here to denigrate the debate, you're just helping the enemy. If you don't like arguments don't watch a debate!! If you get offended by calling out issues that will be called out by Trump in week one of the general I don't care to hear your opinions.
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Bloomberg is clearly the smartest and most capable in the group. His comment about Warren being half-smart is fully justified - she is having a tough time keep up with him. And Bernie being number 1 with bluster lacking substance (but still favored by the young) is causing substantial anxiety, strife and disarray. The real take home for this debate is the democratic party is imploding. Keep it up. None will be standing on Nov 6 giving Trump an easy win. Vote for Bernie!!!!!
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Senator Warren, welcome back to the race. You may well have redeemed yourself after implying that Senator Sanders was a misogynist and then refusing to shake his hand. It was a cheap shot when Bloomberg called Sanders a communist. Bernie needs to explain the difference between democratic socialism and communism clearly. I think Warren and Sanders came out best. Buttigieg calling for more extensive health records and picking on Klobuchar over her President of Mexico mistake was petty. And I don't need to hear any more from any candidate about their humble beginnings.
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Bernie and Liz won the debate. Bloomberg should just opt out now. It's between Bernie and Liz now who are actually on the same team in most ways. Perhaps a Bernie/Liz ticket?
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Mr. Bloomberg - RIP - so to speak.
Democrats blew him out of his billion dollar swimming pool.
He should quit before he won't recognize himself if he looked in the mirror.
They savaged him, kneecapped him, headbutted him and all in between - finished him off.
His closing statement showed that he was unnerved.
His snide remark that he is not asking for money, Mayor, listen - may sound good in NYC - but not outside NYC.
The POTUS was indeed a winner by default as both Biden and Bloomberg - well, both might as well hang it up.
But this self destructive POTUS - tomorrow will mouth off after Stone sentencing. AG Barr will resign - by end of Thursday - if POTUS mouths off.
And POTUS will ensure no one will remember this debate.
If Bloomberg wants to preserve his legacy - he should go and by a Palace on shores of Lake Geneva. And I am talking the one in Switzerland.
Hire heavy security so no one intrudes.
And don't come back till Bernie is elected.
And then, when stock market and everything else has cratered - declare:
"I told you so."
May be, then folks will remember all the good you have done - at least in Republican households.
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That was pretty messy. Looked to check how Bloomberg was doing.
It came across to me as arrogant and abrasive. Not a good look. Sure he was being attached on values and some of his record as mayor, but he diched it out calling Sanders a communist for example.
I am more of a Warren supporter, but Pete responses were the most elegant by a long shot.
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Excellent debate!
Elizabeth Warren and Amy Klobuchar did well. They are articulate, strong, experienced, have good preliminary plans, but aren't too frail in health and tempermate to take on the role of presidency. Amy has a sense of humor!
Buttigieg, please, if he was a 38 year old lesbian women who was mayor of a small town, she would never be on that debate stage. And Bloomberg...too much of the old billionaire boy's club thinking...time for a change.
Hasn't 51% of the population waited long enough to be represented at the highest level of government in America?
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@Sarah - Yes, for the past few days I have been suggesting Warren for President and Klobuchar as Vice President, something warmly embraced the first time I suggested it but not even commented on after that.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
Citizen US SE
During the debate the commentators, who I mostly like, were rubbing their hands with glee (metaphorically) at what a juicy and feisty debate they were finally getting to watch. They were happy about the spectacle. And we wonder why Trump gets so much free publicity.
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So this is how we elect a potential leader of the free world? Really? One of my criteria has always been, can I picture this person sitting across from world leaders? Trump failed miserably and quite frankly I can't image any of these people with their rantings and ravings representing me to global leaders.
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Thank God we have President Trump to fall back on. These people have issues...none ready to be President.
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I thought Bernie Sanders came off the best and Bloomberg the worst.
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Are these people really from the same party?
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There were no highlights. It was a clown show. Trump won the debate.
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Sanders won that debate hands down.
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Bernie and Pete, again.
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The night belonged to Warren, hands down (or up). She was pointed, forceful, direct, and on topic. But it was her lone grace-note of the night that made her a standout.
When Buttigieg chose to hammer Amy over a memory lapse, Warren alone had the courage to call him out on his boorish behavior. I've been predisposed to like Pete from the launch of his campaign, but tonight he came across, frankly, as a pompous twit. Read the room. After Elizabeth spoke up for Amy, the room erupted in the loudest applause of the night, and the close second was Amy's quip to him that not everyone is perfect.
Winning debates is about winning votes and it takes a very finely calibrated ear to know when to bear down and when to pull back and when to speak up. The nation is exhausted by living with a boorish, arrogant, entitled thug who is tone deaf and who abuses language every minute of every day. To hear a candidate sacrifice a few precious seconds of time allotted, not to toot her own horn or flog someone else but to state a simple truth, was a spontaneous, humane, graceful and winning move.
I have pledged with my Indivisible group to support whoever the final candidate is and I like many things about each of them, but tonight Warren commanded the stage. I would be proud to call her Madame President.
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@AhBrightWings - I am making today's contribution to Warren as soon as I finish writing replies to her supporters here. I give one strong reason in my comment filed at 4 AM Swedish time, somewhere here at 24 recs.
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Bloomberg was doing a lot better before he started showing up for things. If you're running as the wizard of oz, stay behind the curtain.
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The women at the debate-watch gathering I attended were, by the end, seriously buggin' out over the way moderators stepped on the ends of responses by Sens. Warren & Klobuchar.
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Bloomberg, the pundits' and the DNC's candidate, was done after tonight. What on earth were they thinking?
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I think voters here are more apt to be voting for Bernie Sanders for the nomination here. Voters are tired of not being heard by the politicians thru legislation and policy initiatives and enactments. This really seemed to show underneath all the attacks on each other. Bernie Sanders is the only one with a consistent a steady agenda, with no deviation. Perfect candidate...? am not looking for perfection, because that is not what I am voting for. But I do know what I will be getting for my vote. So does Harry Reid.
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if Bloomberg wanted to challenge Trump , it would have made a lot more sense if he would have put his money in the republican primaries and defend his electorate identity as a centrist republican. Even considering ideologies extinct, the simple fact that Bloomberg is running as a democrat with a certain degree of legitimacy should make people pause and think of what kind of democracy we ended up with.
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My take such as is.
I think a lot of voters may have rediscovered why they fell in love with Elizabeth Warren. She ripped away the curtain from Bloomberg’s machine and revealed a mere mortal who more often than not had no good answers for the issues she raised.
Bernie Sanders has been waiting to sink his teeth into a plutocrat (Tom Steyer is too much of a nice guy) and he did not disappoint. He faced his own attacks and fought fire with fire and passion. He looked like he was having fun.
Biden had his best debate so far. Practice makes perfect I guess.
Klobuchar was not as strong as she was in the last debate.
Buttigieg seemed a little too scripted.
Bloomberg’s best moments were when the debate turned to climate change. He tried to go after Sanders but his attacks fell flat.
Where this leaves the Democratic Party is anyone’s guess.
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First a disclaimer: I believe macroeconomics is a quasi-fraudulent subject. Economists pretend to have useful knowledge but their grandiose theories often don't work out.
EG: Karl Marx was an economist. His most famous work, "Das Kapital" laid the foundation for the communism that was tried in the Soviet Union.
In 2014, the French economist Thomas Piketty wrote "Capitalism in the 21st Century" which proposed a wealth tax. This then became a fad among economists, and sure enough, Sanders and Warren embraced it as a way to pay for universal health care.
The reason billionaires attain great wealth is they agree not to spend it. It resides in promises for the future, which are expected to be spent laters. Promises are easier to produce than actual goods that are used now.
A wealth tax would cause those future savings to be spent now, but much of the wealth would likely vanish before it was collected.
Why is macroeconomics quasi-fraudulent? Take the painting Salvator Mundi by Leonardo. Somebody paid $450 million for it, most likely a billionaire. That painting cannot be transformed into health care for the poor. You actually need a plan to train new doctors to deliver the additional health care.
That's why I found the wealth tax of Sanders and Warren to be a bad idea.
Yes, we need to develop universal health care over time. But you can't turn paintings into health care, just like you can't turn base metals into gold.
At least Mike Bloomberg seems to get that.
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A New Yorker enters the scene and everyone drops the PC decorum. That was entertaining. Frankly, I couldn't be more concerned about our future, but Warren and Sanders are still my frontrunners.
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As an independent who wants to see Trump out, watching the debates tonight one quote came to mind: politicians, all talk no action. A career politician can't beat this guy in November. We have several of them on the stage. I believe that a plan based on redistribution of wealth in the middle of an economy with low unemployment and record stock market is DoA. Trump will play on economy. There is one guy who can take him down on that, and it is not Warren.
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@CD Anyone can take Trump down on his mythical "great economy." Great economy for Wall Street and corporations at the expense of everyone else. Wish the media would address it more. Obama created more jobs than Trump in his last 3 years and had higher growth. Trump just lies a lot and no one challenges him.
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I'm a Bloomberg supporter and and volunteer and remain so after the debate. IMHO - Bloomberg is the most electable candidate. I was a Bernie supporter in the last election, but I don't think he will win against Trump. My daughter is a type 1 diabetic who has a middle class job and has been bled dry by the high premiums and out of pocket costs of Obamacare. If you are middle class and have a chronic illness, you are who pays for Obamacare. Very discouraging for middle class people and for young people in particular. I would like to blow the system up too and start all over with Medicare for All, but the facts are two million people - coders, insurance employees, etc. would be out of work and they all have families. Kind of like automation throwing two million people out of work in a short amount of time. There has to be a bridge to universal healthcare. Do it right and enough people in the public option (low administrative costs and no profit motive) will drive prices down. Get rid of the PBMs, the middlemen who are responsible for a significant increase in drug prices. Climate change, gun control, education and infrastructure - these are important issues to our country and to the world. Discussion of policy was missing in this debate. Very sad.
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@Gaylel - Some who write as you do tell me that Bloomberg's NDAs are of no importance. Strange. We have found Trump wanting on many fronts, one of them his sexist demeaning of women and his NDAs.
Suddenly, Bloomberg, who shares Trump's views and behaviors to some extent - he said he will never release the NDAs, therefore "to some extent" - is embraced.
A puzzle.
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I wish Joe was 10 years younger but he is still better than Bernie Sanders (three homes nice - opps sorry one is only a cottage)
I'm more confused than before. But it clear to me that Trump must be defeated in Nov. and Sanders is not the candidate to do the job.
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Tonight's "debate" left me totally dispirited. I'm afraid this campaign has gone on too long. Democrats have a reputation for not "getting it together". Tonight proved it. At the end I thought I couldn't vote for any of the returning candidates, even the one who had been my longtime favorite. I even thought I wouldn't vote for any of them!( a shocking reaction). Michael Bloomberg will have my active support starting tomorrow. He looked like the only grownup in the room. Changing parties only means he thinks about what is going on. Changing positions means he had to recognize that saving lives (Stop and Frisk)s came at too high a price. Michael Bloomberg will be the organizing brain behind progress. He already has many supporters around the country. He can make positive change happen.I'm grateful that he has offered his services.
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Compared to America's great early debates (Clay-Douglas, Lincoln-Douglas come quickly to mind), tonight's "debate" transpired among preschoolers.
Their woeful performance reflects the woeful state of America.
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Let's not forget the main objective here - this was great practice for the general election - imagine any of them going after Trump and Trumpism just as hard. Like it or not we need someone that can punch hard and all of them showed it tonight. Positively support your favorite and then rally around the winner.
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Bloomberg came off as a straight shooter, and he avoided attacking other Democrats. Bernie may be popular amongst the younger voters, but there are many middle class voters who have no interest in paying for other people's student loans, medical insurance, and other benefits.
Warren may have won the debate by grabbing attention, but she lost the war. Biden would probably not survive beyond Super Tuesday because as much as he claimed that he is transparent about everything, he was not transparent about why he never raised any concern about his son's director ship in the Ukrainian firm.
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I loved that Bloomberg pointed out that Sanders is a millionaire with 3 homes. So much for Sander's desire to paint himself as the candidate most able to identify with the average American!
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Pete was magnificent and, above all, extremely presidential. He effectively drew attention to the perils of both Bloomberg and Sanders while outlining the possibilities of his unifying platform.
Klobuchar’s campaign should end here. She demonstrated a total incapacity to address any criticism directed her way and instead tried to attack Pete merely for asking valid questions. Her “we can’t all be as perfect as you” comment was particularly uncomfortable and revealed a very personal hatred and jealousy directed towards the mayor.
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@JD Percy -- Yes, every now and then, a glimpse of Klobuchar's mean streak shows itself. How you treat your staff does matter. But Buttigieg was far from magnificent, far from presidential. His harping on Klobuchar's forgetting the name of the president of Mexico was petty and unfair.
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@PL
Unfair? She forgot the name of the president of Mexico when she's on the committees in charge trade with Mexico and border security! She should have apologized for this mistake. Instead, she attempted to write it off as "trivia" with a dismissive attitude that was completely disrespectful.
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Few around me stated tonight if Bernie wins, they will vote for Trump :-(. Bloomberg got better as the debate progressed.
It was a mess and the format is bad. CNN town halls are better.
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This tells you what you need to know.
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/483510-mcsally-ties-democratic-rival-kelly-to-sanders-in-new-ad
The GOP in swing states are already trying to tie their opponents to Sanders in an effort to win.
Why?
Because they know it will work.
Sanders or Warren as the nominee means 4 more years of Trump and we will also lose the House and Senate.
I know it is hard for someone in NY or CA to see this -
I'm from a very liberal family in Los Angeles - so I get the disbelief
But being here in AZ where we have about 50/50 D and R representation in Congress and have had Dem female Governors -
I see where the argument lies that will lose us the White House.
Sanders stance will hand the White House to Trump and Trump will get the Senate and the House as well- if he is the nominee.
The "fear" generated by the GOP over big new "unknown" changes - will outweigh moderates dislike of Trump - especially if the economy stays good.
Why?
Because the margins in swing states will be slim - they are called purple - due to a fairly even number of Democrats and Republicans and the tiebreakers will be moderate and independent voters and if they are afraid Bernie will win they will vote for R's for Congress to keep him in check.
You simply can't win the White House without the swing states.
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I was left with the impression that it wasn't just that Amy Klobuchar momentarily forgot the name of the Mexican president, as she claimed, but rather that she barely knew what he name was, then or now (she had to look down at her papers when she did name him.) And the moderator who was questioning her seemed to be saying that not only did Klobuchar not know his name, but that she seemed unable to speak to the subject of relations with Mexico in general (this question never got addressed, unfortunately, in the general commotion.)
Anyone want to address this point? If true, it seems like evidence of a serious shortcoming on her part—almost the kind of ignorance we've (sadly) come to expect as a matter of course from President Trump.
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@everydayispoetry
I have watched the tapes of Klobuchar, Steyer, and Buttigieg when they were interviewed on Latin American issues by Telemundo. Separately and out of earshot, they were all asked to name the President of Mexico. Steyer said he "forgot" but did describe President Lopez Obrador's policies in general and seemed to know something about Mexico. Klobuchar was asked some pretty easy questions about Mexico's politics, and sounded uninformed, despite her involvement in the recent trade treaty. I'm not a fan of Klobuchar, so this may be too harsh, but her answers reminded me of Sara Palin. Then, the interviewer asked her if she knew the President's name, and she looked at her staffer, said "he's the president of Mexico," or something like that, and then said "No." She did not say she forgot. She said she didn't know, and she didn't demonstrate any knowledge of the subject besides the name gaffe, unlike Steyer. Then according to Telemundo, Klobuchar left hastily with her mic still on, and came back an hour later with the answer, and told the interviewer, "See I know more than you think." (I swear to God I'm not making this up.) Pete knew the President's name. The interviewer then said "you're the only one here today who knew," Pete said "wow," he's not an expert on Mexican politics, but Pres. Lopez Obrador is one of the hemisphere's key leaders. Bernie appeared by video and wasn't asked. None of the other candidates attended.
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We’d better get focused on uniting against trump. His supporters aren’t fighting each other and they will show up in November.
Keep eyes on the ball or all these policy differences won’t matter.
United we stand or divided we fall.
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This was a slug-fest, not a debate! BUT, Joe Biden finally woke up and Liz was operating on all 6 cylinders against Bloomberg. I know Pete needs to make room for himself, but his constant attacks on Amy were disconcerting. Some of the post-debate pundits thought Bloomberg lost in a big way. I don't agree. Bloomberg was there because he had to be there. He will get his points across thru ads. Based on his final comments, he understands that voters worry about the lack of executive management experience in large organizations to prepare for the WH. They also worry about the lack of "credentials" and the proper "resume", which Senators do not necessarily have. I'm not counting him out.
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Food fight - missed the intelligencia - Harris, Booker and Yang. Warren was her hectoring self and let off the hook on her healthcare debacle. Eliminating fracking? Good luck - what about workers and energy. The lot think a carbon tax will solve climate change - ludicrous and no mention of water shortages. Has Bernie looked at the problems with Canada’s healthcare system - too few doctors, people traveling a hundred miles or more for care. Facts are few on the ground.
It beggars belief, especially after that performance, that so many of the top Reader Picks here are Bloomberg acolytes keen to dismiss the electability of others. I think the NYT needs to entertain the possibility that we have an astroturfing problem here.
I lean progressive, sure, but I wouldn't be peeved if Biden won the nom - - he has the chops, I like a good deal of what he says and how he says it, and he's mostly handled the swipes against him with aplomb. Bloomberg, aside from being a plutocrat, doesn't seem to bring much to the table. By the end of the debate, he seemed relatively cowed, "shook" in NY parlance.
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"Workers of the world, unite!" Every time someone calls Sanders a communist, he says it's a cheap shot and starts ranting about "socialism for the rich." There's truth to that, just not as much as he thinks. But it's not true that the rich pay less in taxes than the average worker, despite recent "studies."
When Sanders talks about socialism for the rich, does he imagine anyone defends it? Who's he arguing with? After eliminating socialism for the rich, we shouldn't recreate it en masse. He wants an arbitrary wealth distribution, determined by him, imposed on America.
He talks about wealth distribution as a problem, but he never says why. We're just supposed to agree. The richest guy you know, reader, is far more unequal in relation to Bloomberg than you are to him. What of it? Sanders never talks about economic growth. He just endlessly says the government is going to create "good jobs," which is what socialists ALWAYS say. Bloomberg provides his workers with an opportunity, and yet Sanders wants us to think it was his workers that made him rich.
The whole "Denmark" thing is a red herring. Deirdre McCloskey is right: The real reason so many intellectuals are against capitalism is because they don't know what they're talking about. This man's popularity therewith says it all. The other candidates are rather bad at responding to Sanders's garbage. And that's evidence that we aren't doing, and haven't ever done, a good job of teaching capitalism. We're "1619"-ing everything.
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The other candidates have been attacked for months. Bloomberg was perilously exposed in a single debate. How is he the most realistic chance the Democrats have of beating Trump?
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Bloomberg's running on being a decent version of Trump.
After his settlements with women have now been painfully exposed his candidacy is dead. People who don't care about character will vote for the original (Trump), those who do, i.e. women, will be moving on to another candidate.
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1. Sander - he may not have been the winner of tonights debate, but he's still in the lead. Consistency has merit.
2. Warren - she hit hard and she hit again and again. Her best performance while still maintaining her temper. Yet, she's not going to go the distance.
3. Amy and Pete - fighting for relevance and the alleged moderate vote that will not be materializing. Pete is out, Amy might wind up as a VP on the ticket.
Biden - Sleepy Joe was at least awake tonight, but he's toast with his tired old canards and stories. OK boomer, but he's not even a boomer!
And the man that stand alone with his $60 billion - Mike Bloomberg. A horrible, wooden performance, but there is no telling yet what the truckloads of money he will throw at this race will eventually lead to. Sad to think he might actually pull off buying the American presidency - yet at least he'd be a competent leader.
All in all, Trump looks stronger and stronger as the months go by. Unless we have a recession, and even that may not be enough given how late in the year it already is, the election is Trump's to lose.
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Warren had a stand-out night. Perhaps now the press will start paying attention to her again?
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@Larry Roth Yes she launched a KamiKaze attack tonight, but sorry— the thrill is gone and it isn’t coming back. Liz should pack her bags and head for home.
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Bernie Sanders is the real deal.
His time is Now to change our toxic direction - before it’s too late.
What is everyone so afraid of???
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@GGTDM I think the wealthy are terrified of having to pay their taxes for once. It's pathetic. It's as if half the dem party are republicans in sheep clothing. Bernie all the way.
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We do not need another white, old, billionaire who has denigrated women and people of color. Sorry just doesn't cut it. Bloomberg sounds more like Trump when it comes to his history of treating women as objects. It's time for a change.
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Tonight, Pete Buttigieg spoke, looked, and behaved most presidential. Not perfect, but among the six, he was most presidential. No yelling, and clear messages. I am a woman of color, just became a democrat, not any more independent. This and previous debates and town halls were very important for me. I like Klobuchar and Warren as well who have been my favorites for a while. I wish they did better in more calm yet strong manner. I will support whoever comes out against Trump. Among the current democratic candidates, Pete Buttigieg seems the best chance to beat Trump, especially with wise VP choice.
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@jsk
Nice guys finish last. Sorry, but that's just a fact of life. I'm sure Buttigieg is a very fine man, but I would prefer an older candidate with a greater long term knowledge of history to avoid repeating the mistakes of the past.
Besides, not in a disparaging way, but the man looks like Howdy Doody and not many would admire him.
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@jsk
Did we watch the same debate? Pete started out strong, alert, and the most articulate person on the stage. But then the attacks! Practiced and nasty. Not presidental.
Bloomberg is no white knight.
No idea who to vote for, but I know it's not Sanders, Pete or Bloomberg.
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@jsk
He proved that he is not above lying about the records of others- to me he lost his charm - which had been appearing honest -
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I won‘t vote for Bloomberg, if the Dems nominate him. I didn‘t vote for him for mayor, and I don‘t like his policies. He‘s a billionaire who thinks he can buy elections. He‘s not the only alternative, if you‘re fretting about that. Vote for the candidate with plans and good values.
Warren has my vote after tonight‘s debate.
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@Kenny G I agree. I don't think Mike will get the nomination after tonight. But I respect that he stood there in the firing squad. Not many billionaires can do that. I hope he continues to support the Democratic party and its causes. I will also vote for Liz.
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@Kenny G
He was mayor light years ago, back when we said anyone without experience in elected office should never be president. He ran one of most complex municipal governments, built a genuine financial empire, and made many mistakes along the way. As successful people are apt to do. He is atoning for S&F, soft-drink paternalism and a host of off-color statements, made years ago. People evolve. Look at what he's advocating now, what he'll do for policy now. I am a great reader of history and about those who do not learn from it, and I am here to tell you that we must get rid of Trump. A majority of this Country has to get behind a new leader and that means your neighbor and people you don't agree with, necessarily....
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@Kenny G, why do you believe the other candidates are pure and not "buying" their election? At least Bloomberg pays his own money and therefore isn't beholden to big donor and special interests to get them elected; these "favors" translate into legislation favorable to the donors.
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These debates are flawed. The questions from moderators are designed to either trap the candidate or set the stage for the candidates to attack one another. There should be ground rules on all these debates to ensure that any candidate who goes about attacking another should be disbarred from participating in future debates.
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@V Raghavan there aren’t ground rules in life or politics like that. I dint like the behavior you’re talking about but whoever is the nominated candidate has to be able to punch and respond to punches.
Elizabeth Warren is right back in the top mix after her performance tonight. She was easily the most commanding presence, and the most in command of the facts.
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@Jim O'Neill
She kept yelling like the deranged lady I cross every morning on 8th Ave on my way to work.
That's not commanding presence. That is insane asylum behavior, and at that she excelled tonite.
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@Jim O'Neill: I have flashbacks to Al Gore's "I'll fight for you!" campaign of the Millennium.
@Jim O'Neill
Hoarseness is not commanding.
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Well, I missed it, but reading the comments I'd say everyone saw what they wanted to see. Bias is a funny thing...
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@Mford -- I didnt see what I wanted to see. I wanted to see a civil airing of policy differences, not cheap shots and screaming interruptions. I wanted details about health insurance plans, like what Bernie means by Medicare for All when he promises no premiums, copays, or deductibles, when Medicare as currently offered does in fact require premiums, copays, and deductibles, after a lifetime of paying into it with every paycheck. I wanted to know what any the candidates would do about maintaining the quality of that health care once we're all covered: do we get to see a doctor at all, or are we all relegated to the ministrations of less-trained nurse practitioners? I wanted to see what Bloomberg had to say, but neither the obviously threatened older candidates nor the moderators gave him much of a chance to speak.
There are many commenting on the lack of civility, discipline, and leadership displayed tonight. Were there some low-blows? Absolutely, it’s politics. But I think the role of the “moderators” was appalling. Instead of moderating and facilitating a debate, they ask targeted, leading questions. Hard questions must be asked, but I can’t help but think that the questions are formulated to create drama, ratings, and viral moments. Ask questions of presidential caliber, so we can see who rises to the challenge.
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@Amanda The debate with the most substance thus far has been PBS-led. I look forward to their next one - - no celebrity, wannabe or otherwise, moderators aiming for headlines.
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@Amanda
I agree completely, Amanda. So far this cycle, the PBS Newshour team led the best moderated exchange. The MSNBC team never runs a good discussion.
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Agreed! Unprofessional moderating. Really messed up the debate.
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All of the issues around wealth, racism and sexism will disappear in a Trump v Bloomberg contest because it will just be a push.
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@Thomas: The contest could resemble "Spy vs. Spy" of comic book fame.
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Warren came across as the most empathetic, yet tenacious. She won this debate and I made a contribution to show my support.
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Good night for Sanders and Warren.
Biden did fine, but not sure he will get a big bump from this.
Buttigieg and Klobuchar seemed almost unhinged at times. Not great nights for them.
Some networks are bashing Bloomberg's performance but I didn't expect much more from him and he got better as the night went on.
Go Bernie, but any of them have my full support against Trump.
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Made myself watch although I turned off at one point and/or turned off the sound. I didn’t like the circular firing squad and my stomach started to churn. I’m glad they sort of started to address the huge issues. Still like Mayor Pete, maybe Bloomberg. I just want Trump gone. Who can beat the lier in chief?
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It's painfully obvious to me that Amy was set-up with Pete as the beneficiary. More than once a question was pitched to Amy with Pete (next to her) ready to respond with rehearsed dialogue. Reminded me of a debate class in high school. So, someone at NBC is rooting for Pete. I think both Pete and NBC need to exit the stage.
Folks....we need someone of substance not of one-liners and put-me-downs.
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I'm voting for Bernie.
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@Steve I prefer Warren
circular firing squad assembled, loaded and aimed...at each other
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When Warren went after Bloomberg: daaaayum.
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@Sam She is the new "Hillary, smart, boring, angry." She may have called Bloomberg on the carpet and others as well but that does not make her look presidential. For the record, I was looking for a substantive debate on the issues versus personal attacks that have nothing to do with inspiring the electorate. The debate format is a large determinant each time in who looks good other than Buttigieg who is a good debater but still comes across as preening.
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Can anyone please let me know what the chants were during Biden's closing comments?
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@WI foodie
Immigration protesters.
Wonder why they did not join in the mud throwing contest earlier.
@WI foodie they were protesting immigration policy. See article elsewhere in the Times.
@WI foodie Protesters from RAICES interrupted Joe Biden’s closing remarks with chants about “kids in cages.”
Too many moderators.
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I listened on the radio and was quite disappointed with the snarky, bickering, exchanges. This was not the best face of the Democratic party if Trump is to be defeated. I'm especially tired of Bernie's simplistic class warfare worldview. We need to remember that the electorate that will vote in November is not perfectly aligned with the most liberal activists in the Democratic party. If we are to defeat Trump we need a realistic, pragmatic approach that has broad appeal, not a "revolution." I'm glad he was challenged about the behavior of some of his supporters and their fundamentalist approach towards politics (only one way, the 'Bernie" way). The undue influence of unrepresentative states Iowa and New Hampshire is evident in how the media seems to have written of Joe Biden. Right now, Joe or Amy look like our best shot.
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Some of his supporters. He condemns bullying always. How do we know these ‘supporters’ are not posing as such. Bernie states: I don’t want them.
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@Steven Dunn
I pay hundreds of dollars a month for health insurance. On top of that are co-pays, premiums, and have a 6000 dollar deductible. I'm also limited to in network doctors/hospitals and can't visit the closest one near me as a result.
My twin brother pays 255 a month for medical insurance. No co-pays, no premiums, no deductible, no out of network hospitals. He can see any doctor he wants at any time. The communist dictatorship plagued by class war that he lives in is Germany.
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As a supporter of Elizabeth Warren, I couldn't be happier with her performance tonight. She is smart and tough, and is what we need as President of the US.
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Bloomberg's success represents the American dream. That's a bad thing?
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yes. you’re almost there, my friend.
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My thoughts exactly! Son of a bookkeeper, makes good, gets a Harvard MBA, and starts a company that is the first and last word in financial information. Uses his fortune to promote political causes that don’t make him richer such as gun control and getting more women elected.
Exactly what is the problem here?
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@Kyle D
Success is a bad thing?
Must be from Jersey. Oh wait, you are.
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Mayor Buttigieg stated in his closing statement that “We cannot afford to alienate half the country.” This ugly debate may have alienated many. The circular firing squad was at its worst tonight. I wish one of them would have commented on that process. Nobody came across to me as particularly presidential and likeable. The Democrats cannot lose sight of the main goal of defeating President Trump.
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@Jeffrey Freedman
I don't think they were trying to be "likeable" and I'm not sure what you mean by "presidential." Our current President is charmless and seems to think that contorting his features into a grimace makes him look "presidential." Many people seem to find him compelling. I didn't view this debate as "ugly." Ugly was Trump, Rubio, and Cruz mocking each other personally in the last Republican debates.
@Jeffrey Freedman -- ugly is the word. You bet it alienated many. I'm beginning to agree with newly freed (from his unconscionably excessive influence-peddling sentence) Gov. Blagoivich, and become a Trumpocrat.
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Bloomberg's debate performance was abysmal. Warren easily was the best at the debate tonight.
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@Paul Thomas Warren has been debating for how long? Bloomberg is not a debater. But then I hope the voters are more concerned about what a candidate has accomplished that his/her voting skills.
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IMO, Bloomberg won By not engaging in the horrific discourse. Who were they speaking for, their donors? So they could raise more money? I was embarrassed for everyone
but Mike. Although for the most part
Pete retained his dignity. I had to turn it off. What a circus.
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@Kate McLeod I felt the same. It was painful to watch. They looked like school kids.
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@Kate McLeod
No need to be embarrassed for Mike. He embarrassed himself.
Elizabeth Warren was on fire. Her attacks on Bloomberg were impressive.
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Think about how scary it is that the candidates for the highest office in the land have to raise their hands like school children to be able to speak. Now do you understand the power of Television, and do you care?
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@PATRICK , circus show where appearance is everything! Mediocrity like so much in the US. I long for a parliamentary form of government.
Warren needed a strong performance and she delivered. Now, NYT, give her some coverage. She's been ignored for too long.
This Elizabeth Warren can take on Trump.
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@Anne She may be able to take Trump on but she can't beat him. There is only one person on the stage tonight that can beat Trump. Were it another time I would have a hard time voting for Mike Bloomberg but these are desperate times and we need a winner.
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“Warren’s best debate” claim political elites of the same ilk as comprise her base. The echo chamber is alive and well.
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@John B
I am not a Warren fan at all.
She had her best debate and did well.
It is easier for her now that she is trailing, but this does not take away from the performance.
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I’m on the fence about Bloomberg. But he said some really important things the were over-ridden by all the shouting. That whole thing about his taxes. Yes, there are going to be thousands of pages in his tax return, but only one or two lines will mean anything to anyone. Refund or Owe.
Those are the ones trump doesn’t want you to see.
Then there is the extraordinary amount of money he gives to charities. Literally hundreds of million. Then he said, I’m going to give it all away. That’s not idle talk. Gates and Buffet set up a club of billionaires who have vowed to give away up 90% of their wealth.
Then there are the tens of millions of dollars to the DNC.
So why are they busting his canolies on a really a stupid issue.
Oh well. Let’s get him. Frustrating that the only decent business manager our country needs comes in a such a late date.
I don’t think debating is his forte, so how would he do against trump. That’s my fence story.
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@DavidJ Bloomberg charities gave away more money in 2019 than it did in the 5 previous years combined. He gave grants to more than 200 cities and is now getting endorsements from the mayors of those cities. He is buying the election.
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@DavidJ it should not matter much how he does as long as he is not stumbling. He gets Trump on economy which will be the aderrall snorter'd main claim. There is nothing more to know about Trump to disqualify him regardless the debates.
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@DavidJ He would do well
against Trump because he
knows the meaning of words,
is intelligent and is a gentleman in his responses as he articulates thoughtful
solutions to real problems we face.
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Yuck... talk about a circular firing squad. It was unbearable watching these people take cheap shots at one another. Plus, the moderators didn't help at all to keep it in check.
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Hey Warren and Klobuchar,
We need a smart, rational, calm president who remains so under
pressure.
We don't need an attack dog.
Sanders and Bloomberg did well. The others should bow out ASAP so voters can focus on issues and platforms.
Enough time has been wasted barking, snarling and yapping. Let's get down to business, Dems, so we can usher out Trump.
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"Should the Democratic nominee be the person with the most pledged delegates?"
YES. Dumb question, especially since we're talking about Bernie at this point.
You plan to win a general election by enraging your own base?
Good grief. Get out of town.
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@Nathan Hansard
That was not Bernie’s answer in 2016 when Clinton had more pledged delegates.
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Well.
Wow.
Just, wow.
What a hot mess.
I think I saw this much civility at a public clothes washing place deep in a poor ghetto in rural Mexico. They all sounded like hens fighting.
But this?
Tonite I am really sure Trump will win in a land slide.
And can some one teach Warren how to add? she's beyond deluded if she thinks she can finance all that with her financial plan.
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@AutumnLeaf I forgot when you got banks to give 12 billion back to consumers. Tough math.
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Mike Bloomberg showed to the debate in a glass house. Senator Warren brought a bag of rocks. We should all thank her.
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That was very tense, but necessary. I went all in with an open mind about Mike ... but his baggage was just too much. Pete really highlighted the main issues with polarizing figures such as him and Bernie. Really appreciated having Pete there, he'll have a great future. I really wanted to be convinced about Joe, but there's just much platitudes and empty promises. Amy had the best ending statement of the night ... that there's more that unites us than divides us, but how she'll recover from the Mexican fiasco, I don't know. The smartest one in the room, with a lot of fight in her but without Bernie's baggage, is Liz. I will vote for her.
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@Marc
Senator Warren pointed out the possibly sexist nothing burger over forgetting a name.
What is the point of asking someone a fact question like that? Every interview is not a scene from "Perry Mason".
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@Alan I think it was Pete who raised the AMLO issue, and Liz defended Amy. I agree that this was a cheap shot ... people forget names all the time. But Pete also has a point that if you're at the peak of your game and preside in a critical committee, especially in international diplomacy, remembering names matter. In any case, the discussion served its purpose as it raised questions about Amy's voting record on backing Trump-appointed judges. Not sure how many years would be required to undo that.
It may not be 1994 but there was certainly a “giant sucking sound” to be mentioned tonight, to quote the late Ross Perot... and that distinct sound was Mike Bloomberg flushing hundred of millions of dollars of his fortune straight down the toilet. Bloomberg’s candidacy is dead on arrival. His purported ability to beat Trump on a debate stage or in the polls is fallacious fantasy. The media’s exaltation of Bloomberg was a cheap stunt from the start. Swooned by the billions and praying to be bought off and complacent... What an absolute disaster of a night for the mainstream political establishment and media of this country. I couldn’t be happier.
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@F. Jozef K.
A great observation and a great quote. Had we listened to Mr. Perot's warning, Trump would never have come close to winning.
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@F. Jozef K. I take it you prefer a dictator and state run tv?
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@F. Jozef K.
I couldn't be sadder, totally disillusioned by every returning candidate. We will lose the election unless Bloomberg's wide support around the country turns out in future primaries to give him the lead. He was the grownup in the room: his known brains, values, and success made the others look pitiful. I'll support Bloomberg starting now.
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I long for a proper debate. Policy questions and then answers. Simple as that. These are not debates. They are embarrassing spectacles.
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Bradley - Touche!
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@Bradley: It was a "Gotcha!" contest of nitpicking. Nobody exhibits a coherent philosophy of governance.
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@Bradley
As a 21-year-old, I fear for the future of this country. Such a horrible "debate," my god. Facts, policy stances, it just doesn't even matter anymore.
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The media seem to measure debate success by who lands the most punches. Thanks for nothing NBC . (And NYT much of the time)
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I've decided. I'm voting for Bernie. Bloomberg is by far the most divisive candidate on the ballot, and Democrats are falling for him because they want a Trump to beat Trump.
You know what I've never heard once from a Bloomberg fan? Any sort of policy that he supports. Every comment is that he is rich and powerful and that his money will somehow destroy Trump. I've seen zero comments on what Bloomberg actually wants to do with America when he is in power. It's like no one cares about anything anymore beyond some vague idea about electability.
Look at Bloombergs polling. People who have beliefs and principles really hate the guy, while Bernie has the highest approval rating amongst any candidate and the least disapproval rating.
But its more than that. Electability is a cop out to allowing the media and money decide our elections. I refuse. I'm voting for what I believe in. I believe in Medicare for All. I believe in redistribution. I believe in equity. I believe in Bernie Sanders policies. I dont care that hes old or white or Jewish or whatever bunk identity characteristic he has. I believe in what he represents, and that's all anyone should be voting for.
Vote for what you believe in. Vote for what you want America to become. Dont vote on what the media and money says are electable. Remember how that ended up in 2016? Hillary was supposed to be the most electable candidate ever according to rich people and the media and look what happened.
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@Jacqueline: Bernie can't even explain why public sectors of mixed economies came into existence.
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@Jacqueline Me too. Bernie is the most honest sincere person running. I trust Bernie.
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@Steve Bolger
Do you really think that most voters care about whether or not Sanders can "explain why public sectors of mixed economies came into existence"? His supporters want somebody who speaks for the "little guy." He isn't aiming to win by demonstrating that he took economics in college.
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Oops Bloomberg is gonna need at least another $100 million in ads featuring women's endorsements to recover from Warren's burn
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Anne -- Classic! Spot on!
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@Anne,
The check has already been written. Expect the ad campaign to start tomorrow.
@Anne
Haha.
He came up with MIKE FOR BLACK AMERICA real quick when those redlining and stop-and-frisk comments surfaced!
Expect millions of dollars for MIKE FOR WOMEN on the air everywhere by tomorrow to try and make us forget about those 42 NDAs!!!
Warren. Warren. Warren. Bloomberg's wealth gives him the audacity to think he should be President. It doesn't. Petey, needs much more experience. And with experience comes better judgement (which seems to be a big word of his). If not Elizabeth than Bernie. They just both make sense and make sense so well. Plus they have the experience to govern well and honorably. Amy, would be a good VP. Joe. No.
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Bernie won defending Democratic Socialism.
Sexist Bloomberg did not make any inroads and got a beating from Warren..Pete and Amy were slaughtering each other.
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It’s interesting that when the Times goes for the article recapping compared to the live blog, the recap is just what the authors wrote before the event with a little spice thrown in.
The NYT doesn’t cover the news, they wrote it before it happens.
Hire some real journalists like other outlets do.
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@Edward Brennan I respectfully disagree.
Truly awful. Bloomberg survives to fight another day--now he, and many other people I'd imagine--know who he is dealing with, which is a good thing. I am not sure the savagery will serve the others well. I certainly found it offensive in many parts, doing the Trump's work--I'm sure it made his day, ruined quite a few others. Bit of a bad look.
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Basically, this "debate" was mostly a cage match in Vegas. Lots of blows, with no ref. Only the occasional mention that the whole point is beating tweetie bird.
I am surprised that Mike Bloomberg did not mention that he was the chief executive of a government entity (New York City) that is bigger in population (8.4 million) than all but 12 states.
I am surprised that he did not mention all the causes that he supports: gun control, climate change, women's rights, immigration, and LGBTQ rights.
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@Joe From Boston
He did mention the things you list. Weren't you listening?
Otherwise he was responding to the co-ordinated attacks against him.
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@Joe From Boston, agreed, a surprisingly weak performance overall. I came in about 15 minutes late and hoped he had mentioned his successes as mayor of our metropolis.
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This looks really grim... Oh, I need to explain, NBC cannot forgo profit from multiple commercials in the best interest of the country... Then there were the candidates... maybe more commercials would have been better...?
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@Taoshum
NBC refused to let me watch it unless I removed my ad blocker!
I joined the AOC watch party on Facebook
Warren did an excellent job of puncturing Biden's claim that he can work with Republicans, even mentioning his inability to get a Senate hearing for Obama's Supreme Court nominee.
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@lvzee
Warren did an excellent job of scaring away any undecideds, on the fence or hard core true believers.
And she cannot do basic arithmetic.
She really gave me the creeps something fierce.
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Kindly tell me why noise and arm waving and snarky attacks ignoring brilliant performance and competent accomplishments adds up to conquering a debate. If i had to listen to this woman screaming her outsized virtuosity and family struggles for the next eight years I would sell my television and cancel my newspaper subscription. Lets weigh in on sober content or even just hard content and less on extreme unrealistic, unproven, unmeasured, unfounded, unstudied dreams!
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Then why aren't you attacking Sanders, who is the more extreme of the two? It is pretty telling that you single out only one person on that stage, referencing only her arm/hand movements. Is that really the most important characteristic in a presidential candidate - [her] body movements rather than her record/achievements? Do yourself a favor and look them up. If I didn't know any better by looking at the name on your handle, I would have guessed you were a male. Disappointed to see this particular point of view is possibly coming from a woman.
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This is why half of the American eligible voters don’t bother to vote.
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Bloomberg stayed focused and did not enable the Circular Firing Squad.
He focused on only trump - and clearing the false accusations against him.
I felt the other candidates were childish, and out for blood because they’re scared of Bloomberg.
Bloomberg showed me he can take hits, but keep his composure. No one else did that. They all got bloody. I’m sure trump loved this.
I will vote for Bloomberg. He IS STRONG!
Bernie was again the angry old man, who couldn’t explain his $50 TRILLION plans.
And it sounded like Bernie’s supporters shouted over Biden, preventing him from talking. How deplorable! Shameful for “progressives” to do that.
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So you saw what you wanted to see rather than the actual debate.
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@Incredulous of 45
"I will vote for Bloomberg. He IS STRONG!"
We must have watched different debates. He doesn't project strength, just arrogance and he is out of touch.
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Wow. It sounded like Bernie supporters? Confirmation bias in action.
Bloomberg didn't come across as understated, just frail. No wonder he shuns retail politics and campaigns from a TV studio on a mountaintop. Policies aside, I can't imagine someone under forty voting for that bowl of cold oatmeal.
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@stan continople, you've probably never seen or heard Bloomberg the attack dog. He's capable to hitting Trump across the mouth while retaining the language of civility.
I hope he recovers from his disappointing showing and go on the offensive in the future.
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@stan continople
Brooklyn. That's the place that elected DeBlasio, twice.
And that was such a wonderful choice.
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You won't need to worry about most people under 40 voting for Bloomberg (or anybody else). Because sadly, decades of data indicate that they don't show up on Election Day.
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The NYT live analysis was awesome! I learned, got linked to articles that helped me extend my understanding, and the reporters gave me insight and perspective to consider. Thank you.
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Looks like Bloomberg, whether you’re a fan or not, was the missing ingredient for must-see debate TV.
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So we know Bloomberg is paying people to post on social media and in comments on his behalf. I’m surprised by how many people on here are saying they’ll vote for him. His debate performance was not great & he has a lot in his record to answer for. I’m wondering how many comments on here are from paid supporters? Just something to think about ...
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@LadyinBlue I keep seeing this conspiracy theory being posted here. Who’s paying for that?
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@LadyinBlue He also has a great record of accomplishments and the intelligence and background to do the job well. Do some reading...
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@shamtha do some reading? like what? One thing I’d recommend for you to read is the Wall Street Journal’s article on how Bloomberg is paying staffers $2500 a month to post on his behalf from their personal accounts. Not as staffers, as individuals, just to make it appear he has grassroots support. Here’s a quote from the article: “ The Bloomberg campaign spokeswoman said posts from its deputy field organizers wouldn’t need to be labeled, describing them as a form of political organizing rather than paid influencer content.” It’s the sort of thing Trump would do and I don’t like it. I think it looks sketchy no matter how you read into it.
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Felt like I was watching National Geographic...fighting like animals!
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This was not the first debate I have watched where the moderators seemed more interesting in baiting candidates, putting them on the spot or getting them to go after each other, than they were in hearing how each candidate hoped to lift up our nation and improve the lives of fellow Americans. I noticed this also in the live minute by minute reporting on the debate in this very newspaper, in fact the reporters were pretty explicit about enjoying the fighting. I’m not one to beat up on the media, and I’m grateful for good reporting, and serious issues in a candidates background need to be brought to the light of day- but baiting candidates is hardly a debate.
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@Wendy Abrahamson
Couldn't agree more. More policy,less Peewee Herman.
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@Wendy Abrahamson
Yes. The Times commentators seem more interested in outdoing each other with their "cleverness" than in substance. It's all about them.
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Finally Klobuchar got the scrutiny her record deserves. She has been coasting as the underdog in all of the debates so far. It’s great to come across as a good performer when others are not attacking you. Pete predominantly and Warren in a very calm way put her on the spotlight and her performance will predict that her candidacy will fade away. Not remembering the name of Mexican leader when she is on the senate committees and her shallow healthcare policy (more status quo) and her votes on English and record as a Senator and a prosecutor was well discussed on today’s debate. If there was one big standout today Klobuchar was it but in a bd way.
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@Matt
I think if they had let her finish a sentence she would have done well - she has actually answered similar questions in many occasions and done quite well in explaining herself - very well - that is why they kept cutting her off - they know she has very good answers.
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@Meg -except she's running for the Presidency of the United States, not for Senior Class President.
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@Matt -- Elizabeth Warren, in a rare moment of decency in this debate, came to the defense of Amy Klobuchar by pointing out that her forgetting the name of the Mexican president was a simple lapse of memory. Klobuchar herself had given a thorough, credible explanation of the exhaustion that led to her forgetting that night, during a CNN town hall yesterday: it came after a long flight back from the impeachment trial in Washington, two public forums, and multiple interviews, all in the same day. Did Buttigieg not know this? Did the Spanish language moderator not know this? Klobuchar was right, they were treating the debate as a game of Jeopardy.
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We want voters to become more knowledgeable and then the TV networks fail to provide a format for the candidates to give any meaningful information about key issues.
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To Milwaukee: RUN!
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A lot of Bloomberg defenders in the comments. Paid damage control?
A horrible candidate with a non-personality and an arrogance equal if not worse than Trump.
Plus, stop-and-frisk, redlining, and some say 42 NDA for harassing women?
No, thanks.
He can pledge his millions to defeating Trump if he wants, but Democratic nominee or God forbid, president?
No. He's not even able to debate.
Horrible performance by a horrible candidate. Fitting.
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@Eric "A lot of Bloomberg defenders in the comments. Paid damage control" -- normally I'd object to such cynicism, but the WSJ reported today that Bloomberg is paying people to promote him on Facebook to their friends/contacts without disclosing that they're being paid. And here people don't even have to use real names...
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@Eric
I admire Bloomberg for spending his own money attacking Trump -
Honestly - I think that is the main reason he is in this race.
He did not really seem to try that hard in the debate.
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@Eric He was wooden and arrogant lacking credibility.
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Bloomberg was dreadful. Warren destroyed him on the NDA question and was the winner of the debate. Let's see if she gets a boost like Klobuchar last time. I expect Bloomberg to drop.
Bernie was Bernie as usual, he'll probably remain in the lead.
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You are right the NDA thing was cringe-worthy
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Well, that was a mighty debate! Some may be disappointed, but not I. As a matter of fact I learned a few things: The first is that my original hunch about Bloomberg may have been correct, i.e., that he may not be the right fit for the presidency. Not for me anyway. My go-to candidate, I feel, had a good night. She is Elizabeth Warren who showed her grit and moxie and smarts...finally. And Biden? Now there was the biggest surprise for me. He showed energy, real energy, to back up a long history of experience and political knowledge. Sanders never fails to deliver, whether one agrees with him or not Amy and Pete? No new surprises or inspiration...for me.
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@Kathy Lollock I think Elizabeth Warren is the best of all of them. The main reason was clear in tonight's debate: she has answers that are not public relations points. They are solid and well researched. A lot of what I heard from others were: how my past qualifies me - and look how much I've accomplished in my political history.
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@Sharon I will be eager to learn how the op ed columnists rate each candidate. I am reading the comments, and wow, we are all over the place about likes and dislikes, etc!
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@Sharon, unfortunately Warren isn't very good in simple arithmetic. Does she mean to pay for the litany of programs she mentioned with the two cents per ... tax revenue, or merely one or two or three?
I'm sorry Joe Biden didn't make a point I've heard him make, that if Sanders is the nominee it will be harder for down-ballot candidates, including those in Senate and House races, to win.
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@Jeffrey He can't do worse than the centrist Clinton, who made the Dems lose the House, Senate, Presidency and subsequently the Supreme Court.
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Mike's flagship just took on incoming fire. Back to political dry dock for repairs, another $500 million needs to go into the ad budget.
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Two of the biggest threats to our democracy are the ridiculous primary schedule that lets a handful of tiny states pick the nominee and these egregious “debates” where the likes of Chuck Todd get to set the agenda, which seems to be primarily to goad the candidates into slinging mud. Why does the DNC allow this?
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The messy NFL-ish camera work and obnoxious jabs made me wonder who they are trying to appeal to? Who can be inspired by this tone? Answer: Fox News viewers happy to see such conflict.
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Bernie Sanders was childish in saying there was something wrong with Michael Bloomberg for having so much money. He has a good point about the need to close the wealth gap, but there is an immature leap of logic and insensitivity in making that a personal attack on Bloomberg.
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@Jeffrey
And Bloomberg was childish in equating Bernie's Democratic socialism with communism.
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Bloomberg was a disaster. He needs to keep running commercials against trump but graciously make an exit.
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I want a pragmatist who can maybe accomplish something. Most importantly someone who can beat trump. That appears to be Bloomberg.
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Buttigieg was the most presidential candidate tonight.
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@jsk Presidential? So I guess Presidential is more important than say, experienced, knowlegeable, holder of an actual track record, etc.
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@jsk
I like him - but I really do agree that he is largely just good at language "rhetoric" He does not have the skills and actually polls the lowest out of all of them against Trump.
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@jsk, he certainly came closest to what Joe Doe expects from a president, but realistic and pragmatic??
I've said it before and I will say it again. The Democratic Party should toss the debate format and allow each candidate to state within their allotted time period why they want to be elected President.
Enough already with these stupid "debates".
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The Democrats don't stand a chance, period.
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@Kurt Pickard
You've heard a voice from above, like Paul on the road to Damascus? If Donald Trump could be elected President, anyone can.
@Linda No Linda, I watched the sideshow of a Democratic presidential debate tonight for two hours. Teeth were bared, claws came out and come the end of it all it was just one bloody mess that's gonna lead up to a brokered convention in Milwaukee and a massacre at the polls in November.
Ugly, ugly, ugly. The nastiness and venom were hard to listen to and watch. It was just the kind of show that Trump must have loved -- and he was barely mentioned!! (I followed the Times blow-by-blow and found a big generational divide between me and your commentators -- they appeared to thrive on the discord and wanted the debate to be even longer. I'm an oldster and my reaction was completely opposite.)
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@karen b. I agree with you Karen. The NYT commentators did not appear to be focused on the seriousness of what was happening. I was saddened to see the candidates' behavior. I believe Warren was the one who set the attack tone from the beginning.
A sad night all around.
I am going to read Wendell Berry fiction before going to sleep to reset my brain. Good night folks.
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@karen b. I felt exactly the same way as you about the minute by minute commentary.
Surprise, surprise. Nytimes thinks Warren won the debate. For real?!?
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Yes, the Times is running a babysitting service for Warren. Just like Hillary 4 years ago.
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@Rowan Johnson Warren was the clear winner tonight. In fact, I've never liked her before tonight, but now I would consider supporting her.
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@Rowan Johnson
She did. Simple objective truth.
She was incisive when she needed to be. Made her points and exposed Bloomberg for what he is. A bad fit for Democratic nominee.
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One of the biggest problem with debates has become the audience, and this started to bother me in 2016. I don't need to hear the audience response to each candidate to form my own opinion of the candidates' answers and discourse. Cheers and jeers from the audience are incredibly distracting and add nothing useful. If we are truly going to accept these events as "debates," they need to be limited to candidates and moderators without an audience. If there MUST be an audience in attendance, then maybe keep them behind soundproof glass.
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@BN
I think the biggest issue this time was the moderators - though the audience did not help.
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I’m a moderate. I totally believe a Sanders or Warren candidacy would doom the Democrat Party and Trump will win. I will fight against them. Bloomberg didn’t do as well as I had hoped, but he wasn’t awful. Biden, Mayor Pete and Amy were so-so. I will fight for them. Overall, I fear Trump is in the lead now.
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@Kathy Berger
Your use of "democrat" gives you away.
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@Kathy Berger Bloomberg wasn't awful? When asked about releasing women from nondisclosure agreements they signed he said he wouldn't. Because they were consensually signed.
Trump shouldn't be president because he's a pig. Shouldn't that apply to Bloomberg??
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Is it just me? I found this debate hard to watch. At the beginning, the moderators did a poor job by allowing the candidates to interrupt and talk over each other. The lack of decorum was disturbing. Worse, the manner in which the candidates were repeatedly cut off while making important points was beyond frustrating. How could voters who listened to this debate expect to walk away with informed decisions?
I found Bernie Sanders to be the winner in tonight’s debate. Elizabeth Warren was a close second. Buttigieg placed third, in my opinion. Bloomberg was ineffective and Klobuchar was too much on the defensive even after she made effective points. Sadly, Biden is history.
In the end, it doesn’t matter who the “winner” is. I look forward to voting for ANY candidate who opposes Trump.
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@Cassandra G. - The moderators were terrible! They asked questions meant to produce clickbait 30 second video revenue for their networks, which is a terrible disservice to voters trying to make knowledgeable decisions about who to vote for in the primaries. I believe Senator Sanders was able to stay on message the best, in trying to tell the American people that we must make the commitment to our people to join the rest of the top 20 nations of the world that are able to provide healthcare for everyone at half the cost of what we are already paying.
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Sanders is Right--you need Millions to make the difference--Grass Roots Movement.....Super Tuesday!--California Here We Come
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I wish somebody would have asked Bernie about the difference (beyond dollars) between a millionaire (him) and a billionaire- he lost me at 3 houses - kind of a hypocrite.
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@Guidomele But one’s his “camp”... big eyeroll from me on that one. Total hypocrite.
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@Guidomele
As a millionaire, let me take that one. It take significant amounts of money to buy politicians.
As a mere single digit millionaire, not really something I would see good return on. As Billionaires or Corporate officers leveraging other people money, yep the math works. Spend a few millions on lobbyist and increase our wealth or company valuation by 10x what you spent.
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@Guidomele -- Answer: Bernie is paid (like all other lawmakers $172,000 a year.) He's been in Congress as a US House Rep. and then Senator a total of 20 years. Sanders finally after all of these years became a "millionaire" when he wrote a book outlining how to organize and begin electing lawmakers to represent the people, instead of taking bribe money from the rich and powerful/corporate CEO crowd. Reaching $1 million in wealth by the age of 78 is not what you would call being a "millionaire".... say, unlike Mitch McConnell, who was gifted at least $10 million by his father-in-law, who owns a Chinese shipping corporation. It was a cheap shot by a candidate, who's struggling to stay in the race.
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Today’s biggest loser: NBC and the moderators!
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@jsk
No it was the people who had to watch this spectacle.
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Unkind.
Disappointing.
Thought Dems were better than this.
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Circular firing squad with no one left standing. Way to ruin it Dems! And I am democrat. Lost all hope tonight!
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@NR
It was the moderators baiting them all the way
Wow. The battle to determine who will lose to Trump in November was heated tonight.
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@John D, Meh, the Democrats will unite when it counts because they actually believe in democracy.
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They are all good candidates. So keep your eye on the prize good citizens. The mantra for America is: Vote Blue No matter Who.
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@Son Of Liberty -- they all looked a lot less good tonight. Petty, hysterical, desperate. I was undecided for a long time until the last debate and especially tonight's because I thought they were all good. Now I'm undecided about voting Democratic at all.
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Only tuned into the second half of debate and Bloomberg held his own. His directness made this a debate worth watching! Finally.
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Go Bloomberg!
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@Lepowski, You should have watched the first half: his lack of reasonable response to stop and frisk or misogyny will not play well. He seemed out of touch to the middle class. But is he better than Trump? Of course.
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@Lepowski The first half is crucial. NDAs, tax returns, stop-and-frisk, redlining ... it's just too much. His heart is in the right place and if he gets the nomination I'll vote for him. However, right now I'm back to Liz.
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Watching this debate among raging hormonal teenagers, I am embarrassed for my party, the Democrats.
More so, I wonder -- as I have, increasingly, during the Democrats' campaign -- where this century's 5-star leaders are.
In a nation of 260 million adults, you'd think there's still at least a few brilliant, eloquent, mature, socially competent, sensible-thinking, universally appreciated people -- the kind we sorely need to step forward as Democratic candidates.
Please, if you find one, or even two, let us all know.
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except for bloomberg, i felt like i was back in middle school with a substitute teacher. what a disgrace. if this is a team, a unified effort to save democracy and the planet, God help us....
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All these amazing progressive "plans", and no way to pass any of them through what is certain to be a hostile senate.
Nothing new there! The one thing that having Bloomberg in the debate taught me is that, although it is obvious that he wants to beat Trump in the worst kind of a way, I suspect it will be personally difficult for him to support Bernie if Bernie gets the nomination. I still think Bloomberg will "put his money where his mouth is" with his anti-Trump ads though, no matter what. And I think that is very good indeed.
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Democrat Debate >>>>> Demolition Derby
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Warren is doing her phony grapes of wrath routine in the summary. So annoying.
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@RobF
So annoying. With her inhale prior to each virtuous all-knowing lecture i go to mute until the exhale! lecture lecture lecture. how about equilibrium facing challenge!
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@RobF Could not agree more with you RobF.
Grapes of Wrath and first grade hand waving to get the answer.
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Warren has sharpened her skills for taking things out of context!
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@Alex
she is a disaster and a grating queen of the narrow vision! A weeping victim of life is not what we need!
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The nomination is between Sanders and Bloomberg, both good candidates. The others should drop out. How on earth would they deal with a difficult leader such as Putin? By piling on?
Sanders and Bloomberg are the only ones who show discipline as well as a well thought through platform. Here's hoping they'll team up. And if they don't, Go Bernie! Go Mike! Go Dems!
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@Ina Tizzy
Bloomberg is horrible and I think everyone saw it tonight. His first debate was indeed eye-opening.
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Watched the early part of the debate. Reminded me of the old story of the Kilkenny cats, tearing each other to shreds. I didn’t want to forget what is really at stake — beating the tar out of the greatest demagogue this nation has ever seen. Turned it off to watch a good film. Whoever emerges from this meat grinder has my vote. Meanwhile I’m not going to wallow in cynicism and despair. Vote blue no matter who — Trump is evil, and that is true.
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A Democrat, I was anticipating this first debate I would watch of the season. After the first ten minutes I turned it off. Although I enjoy good political sparring, I think what I saw only reinforced my fear that the Democratic Party has a terrible fight ahead to save our country and yet it is mired in bickering. Sen. Klobuchar remains the only steadfast, experienced and inciteful person to lead us.
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I'm so glad there are other mainstream news networks besides NBC - their handling of this debate was absolutely disgusting.
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@Meg That is so true! NBC's handling of the debate was absolutely disgusting and ill managed.
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In all seriousness, seeing Sanders like that makes me think he definitely needs to release his health records if only to prove he can last two terms. At points I thought his head might explode.
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@Jolton
When they tried to make the point about why Sanders supporters have been involved in violence and death threats. That is why - it is the essence of his campaign.
There were death treats in Nevada in 2016 as well.
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@Meg His supporters are why I don’t support him.
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@Jolton Have to agree with you about Sanders although I preferred him to Clinton in the last election. His eyes are going to bug out and explode and he is going to give himself another heart attack with his ranting and
yelling. Has he no variation in
delivery? Does he yell like this in personal conversations?
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"Mr. Bloomberg said he worked hard to earn his money."
If there was ever a tell-tale comment, that was it. Bloomberg just doesn't get it. He is no more a Democrat than Trump was a Republican. Ugh.
Mike: Exactly how much harder did you work than me? Or the aides who care for my mom at the nursing home?
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@cosmos
The best way to make a lot of money is by working smarter, not harder.
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@Quiet Waiting
FYI
1. Not everyone thinks wealth is a measure of success, nor is everyone driven to strive for wealth.
2. Not every smart person is wealthy, and not every wealthy person is smart.
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@cosmos
My point was that Bloomberg went from a middle class background to being one of the ten wealthiest people in the nation not by working hard, but by working smart. He took the idea of a specialized information services firm that would offer a very high quality of information in return for a very high price and directed the growth of that idea into Bloomberg L.P. So yes, this very smart person is very wealthy.
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I am SO. EXHAUSTED.
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Warren had a good night. She fights back without grating.
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@That's What She Said
You’re kidding right?
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I doubt you could find 160,000 Americans, much less 160 million Americans who love their health insurance plan. Our doctors? Is one thing. Our insurance plans, not so much.
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@JT
Exactly.
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@JT, our employer provided family health insurance is defintiely a 10/10, gold medal winner, and I would kill anyone who tried to take it away from me. So there.
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@Neil The US health care industry/system, including your plan, is unequal, inhumane, and too costly. The cost part alone has been and will continue to slowly make us more uncompetitive, divisive, and eventually a second world country. You don't get it, because you care about yourself more than the common good, same as corporations, CEOs, politicians, and the elite. This is the new evangelical theism.
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Hey this narrative that the Democrats are a messy *show is false. We are Debating. Let that sink in a while. Compare that to the party of Trump Lockstep Allegiance. That is meaningful and it does matter however painful and tedious it may be. May the best candidate WIN!
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@E
do you call this debating?
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A Bloomberg/Klobuchar ticket would beat Trump/Pence.
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@MM I can’t support Klobuchar. She’s the worst of the bunch.
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@Jolton, oh please. I may not be a Klobuchar supporter, but she's better than Trump by a universe. Vote blue not matter who.
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@Maggie
No, actually that would be Buttigieg, with Klobuchar right next to him.
Senator Klobuchar was completely disingenuous when discussing her support for Trump's judicial nominees. She has been a spineless rubber-stamper for the president and his far-right, anti-immigrant judges.
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Petty, petty, petty. No substance at all. I’m voting for the only one on the stage who has ever done much.
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@Balynt
Trump?
Chuck Todd lets Sanders answer last (saying he already knows his answer), thereby giving him more time than others to answer. Then he interrupts some of the other candidates.
The moderators need to be above the fray.
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The republicans must be having a happy hour. The way the panel ganged up on Mayor Bloomberg was ridiculous. Socialist Sanders thinks it's a bad thing to have lots of money. It all depends. The highly incompetent vulgar, bully, racist currently in the WH had lots of money daddy gave him and he blew it. Mayor Bloomberg came from modest circumstances and worked, yes worked, to earn what he has. He gives lots of money away to good causes. How much did that person in the WH give to charity. We cannot afford to let trump win another term. He's a self-serving wanna-be dictator. All of you naive trump supporters look up how much it costs the taxpayers each time he goes to mara-largo. His tax cut went to the very rich, he cares nothing for the middle class. We need to put dignity back in the Oval Office and we need to regain the respect of our allies.
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@Sari
YES! right on!
@Sari -- Trumps tax cut also went to the lower class, which the comfortable middle class Democratic party forgets to mention . If you're too poor to own a house, you dont itemize or deduct property taxes. You do take the standard deduction, which Trump doubled. As for his trips to Maralago, every president has been criticized for the cost of their second vacation homes. After watching the chaotic and hostile debate tonight, I don't think any of the Democratic candidates would put much dignity back into the White House. They would increase the cost of doing business, crash the stock market, plunge us into a recession, bring about massive job losses, and further animate the politics of racial grievance that is pulling this county apart.
Buttigieg attacking Klobuchar and Warren feels wrong...I think there are many women watching him who feel disgusted that a kid thinks he’s as qualified as two hard-working women with triple his experience. If we want to win those suburban white women in swing states, I don’t think Buttigieg is our answer.
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@KT
Agreed.
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But Klobuchar and Warren attacked Pete too...
Is Buttigieg not allowed to respond?
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@KT I’m a suburban white woman and thought Pete was fine. Amy needs to do her homework and Liz needs to let other people finish their sentences. Assuming women voters will kneejerk vote for a woman regardless is a form of sexism. Amy and Liz need to earn votes like everyone else.
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I never extensively watched Klobuchar at a debate before, but read that she was pretty cool under fire.
Really?
She seems pretty rattled.
But at least she is less angry than all of the others...except for Bloomberg. He just seems comatose.
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@John
Bloomberg is being crafty... keeping his cards under the table... and going forward he will sell himself with carefully crafted advertising instead.
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@John
I think "fiery" rather than rattled is more appropriate.
Rough out there tonight. I blame Perez and the DNC for allowing too many candidates to enter the race, then deciding they weren't good enough and allowing Trump 2.0 to enter the race at the last minute and not subject himself to the same campaign as the others.
It will only get worse, turn off voters and cause many to stay home on Election Day. One would think Trump was heading the DNC.
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@Lynn in DC
If the DNC had restricted the number of candidates, the accusations of repression would have been deafening. The rank-and-file wanted complete openness and so they got it. They can live with that.
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I woke up here in Sweden at 4 AM CET and went directly to the Times live chat and read the entire record of comments by the Times chat observers.
I now read the Reader Picks here.
Early morning conclusions
The Times observers did not see the same debate that many of the Bloomberg supporter comment writers saw, nor did they see the same debate that Warren and/or Sanders supporters saw.
Every day now I see over the top effusion from those who write here that Bloomberg must be the choice. This just does not make sense to me.
We have a president who lives by the Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA at Times chat) as concerns the women he has mistreated. I wonder what non-disclosure agreement he has with Putin.
I do not want another NDA for president. I even see a comment by a Bloomberg supporter who dismisses concern with NDAs.
Not me. Given what the Times chat people have given me I see Warren rising and will make another contribution after I get a couple of more hours sleep.
Warren for President, want to hear who her VP choice would be.
If Bloomberg buys his way to the nomination I will have to vote for him on my Monroe County NY Absentee ballot, vote with conscience cleared because he will take New York with or without me.
For 4 years will watch Bloomberg from afar, thankful for my completely free Universal Health Care, (zero cost after 86) and Swedish government officials who have not had to sign NDAs, and who see us all as equal.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
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@Larry Lundgren - Before signing off to make today's contribution to Warren I have scrolled down through ALL and am heartened by the number of Warren-praise comments that have gotten quite a few Reader Pick recommends.
A correction in the text I typed after waking up at 4 AM: Paragraph 4 - delete the "...nor did they see the same debate that Warren and Sanders supporters saw..."
I really enjoyed the view of the debate that the Times real-time chat people gave me.
Only-NeverInSweden.blogspot.com
Pander for the Latino vote. I’m not as white as you think!
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seriously, wapo, your headline about "most brutal debate yet" is really nothing more than the candidates calling each other out. is that really brutal? or just trying to be honest? the media is always so anxious to create drama and strife. as a non-repubican, i can tell you it's exciting to see such enthusiasm. how come you don't report it from that angle? lame stream media is not only a republican charge. stop going after ratings and just report what's happening, please.
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@beckjord, this is the NYT, not wapo.
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Klobuchar’s polling in the single digits. After tonight’s performance, I understand why. She needs to drop out but will arrogantly soldier on, I’m sure.
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Warren and Sanders are the only ones who truly care about changing the system so that working people will finally get their fair share of the wealth of this country.
I LOVE the way they put Bloomberg in his place. He’s a billionaire who, like all billionaires, thinks he made all that money himself - without the workers who actually DID THE WORK!
You’re right, Elizabeth. We don’t need another misogynist in the White House.
I’m all in for Warren, just made another donation. I hope she chooses Bernie for VP.
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He (Bloomberg) also created lots of jobs and paid lots of salary to his employees while providing a valuable service. That’s a good thing! How many jobs have the others created? Take away capitalism and it’s risk/reward, and everyone is poorer. Socialism makes everyone equal...just equally miserable.
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I will give money to anyone up there but mayor Pete. What a phony. He’s gone way overboard in the nastiness. And wimpy policies also.
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@Not Rocket Science
Pete is the least nasty, except for Bloomberg.
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@Not Rocket Science We must have watched different debates.
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Joe Biden should accept the nation’s plaudits for being a decent man and gracefully retire.
Elizabeth Warren should quit the Senate and found a national law firm dedicated to improving the condition of health care, women’s rights and the environment.
Bernie Sanders should dedicate the rest of his life to educating college students on the benefits of Socialism, where he would serve as a role model to them of what happens to people who never succeed in surmounting their youthful dreams and enthusiasms.
Amy Klobuchar should accept a cabinet position as Secretary of Women’s Issues or a slot on MSNBC alongside Rachel Maddow,
Mayor Pete should accept Mayor Bloomberg’s invitation to become Vice President, in anticipation of succeeding him as President.
Mayor Bloomberg should give Trump a pummeling such as has never been seen on earth since the days when Rome sacked Carthage.
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@A. Stanton
How would Bloomberg do that when he was unable to do so against his "fellow" Democrats tonight?
First, he doesn't look like he could pummel anyone, second, he was simply horrible tonight and unable to weather the attacks.
Stop-and-Frisk? Redlining? 42 NDAs?
No thanks.
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@A. Stanton:
Here here!
Bloomberg was STRONG, calm, disciplined, and focused only on trump (and sometimes clearing all of the false info being bandied-about).
Bloomberg won!
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@A. Stanton, I typically agree with your comments, but not this time. Joe held his own. Why must people continue to belittle him? Is it because he stutters? Yes he speaks mostly of his time with Obama, but maybe it's difficult to summarize on a pinhead the experience of a lifetime.
As to Elizabeth, she may be a little too left for me, but the woman understands the average person. She is smart and compassionate: a powerful combination sadly lacking in the white house.
Why must Amy be pigeon-holed for Women's issues? I didn't hear her speak much of women's issues at all. Instead I heard immigration, healthcare, minimum wage...Well, perhaps you are right, women are disproportionately negatively impacted by all of the above.
Bernie is Bernie. If that's what young people want, well, they are the ones who will be living with the consequences the longest.
As to the mayors, no. Pete is too inexperienced and rehearsed, but I look forward to his future, well-earned success. And Bloomberg has been in his ivory tower too long. I appreciate his new-found Democratic self and funding, but let him orchestrate Trump's pummeling with his purse strings in support of another candidate.
All that said, I will vote blue no matter who.
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Klobuchar delivered herself a knockout blow tonight.
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@Miguel
Thanks to the biased moderators
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What a pathetic debate......the most frequently used word is the letter “I”......
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I predict Bloomberg's numbers will tank, Warren's will surge. She finally set them straight.
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@cacmera Warren played the tiny violin. I found it grating and very hard to listen to. She doesn’t have the experience.
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@Oh My
Warren wins the major, most, ever, total, entirely annoying award!
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Reading the live analysis while watching the debate, Almost all Maggie Haberman comments focus on criticism of Bloomberg. What’s up with that? Is she only allowed to comment on him - is he her assignment?
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This wasn't a debate.
It was a cat fight.
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Klobuchar stands up for Dreamers?
And she know nothing of Mexico?
By the way--I love her face almost contorting when Telemundo asks her another question.......
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@That's What She Said
The Telemundo woman was petty myopic and wasted a grand opportunity for meaningful investigation!
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I'm liking Sanders more than ever even though I do not support his core policies. He speaks from the heart, mostly at least. I'll tell you though, the part of his performance that bothers me the most are the constant plugs for Biden, how he worked with Joe, me and Joe. Yuck! That is a sellout and leads one to think there will still be two classes in a Sanders America, government employees and private citizens. It's not reciprocated either. I miss Yang. Bloomberg is having some tough monuments but clearly can not belive he has to put up with the idiots sharing the stage with him. Perhaps he should have run as a Republican. What he is seeing of the Democratic party as represented by this crew must be giving him second thoughts. Lastly how many things has Biden been the only one to do? I wouldn't vote for him if he was the last person on earth. The same goes for Warren.
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actually, I think all the arguing and attacks are fine. The candidates have to show fight. I mean the winner has to debate Trump on live national TV. Plus Super Tuesday is right around the corner so all the candidates have to throw their best punches tonight.
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what's sad is this is almost irrelevant. only a moderate can win at least one southern State and one Midwestern State, necessary to actually win the general election. I am going to vote for Biden like many unaffiliated voters and believe that if he is not the nominee Trump will win 40 States.
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Sanders wants to burn the house down-Pete?
Hyperbole Just Grates
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@That's What She Said
Yes, and "polarizing" means standing up for people who have been shafted for decades.
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Trump is going to win and us Democrats will have only ourselves to blame.
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@Ann
Yup.
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@HotGumption Nope.
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@Ann We democrats. Not us democrats.
This is the worst panel I have seen moderating a debate.
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I’d vote for Bloomberg above any other candidate, including Trump. Only Democrat with legitimate public management experience (NYC is the fourth largest government in the US behind federal, California and New York state). The rest, maybe with the exception of Mayor Pete and Klobuchar, are career peanut gallery types who have never been in a position where they have to take responsibility or be accountable for any sort of leadership performance.
Sanders is a joke, take away his talking points and what is he? A late aged, lower-tier legislator with a (physically) bad heart. Warren is an opportunist in sheep’s clothing. I’d have said Go Biden 6 months ago, but let’s face it, he’s done and what’s even more disheartening is that the stumbling is just getting worse. How can anyone expect him to be better with the pressures of the presidency when he can’t confront this campaign challenge he’s gotten himself into? He’s unraveling.
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@Ben
But he's (Biden) the only one to have done any Presidential task you can name! Just kidding. I agree with you. It's likely to be Trump again. I don't think Bloomberg will make it.
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@Ben
THANK YOU. For incisive clarity!
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Candidates, you don't have to be an ordinary person to understand an ordinary person (think FDR! One of the greatest Democrats, ever), just like you don't have to be a parent to love children, or a outdoor person to love the woods and oceans....So just stop it. Bloomberg made his money fair and square, and gives a lot of it away responsibility. That is actually what a lot of us would love to do!
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This debate. Outrageous. As an independent who wants desperately to see change in hateful rhetoric, Dems HAVE to do better. Going at each other with such vitriol?! Do you want to just GIVE the election away?? STOP BEHAVING LIKE CHILDREN who are in a fight and please start addressing ISSUES that affect Americans everyday. You are on the SAME TEAM. Just...STOP already.
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@MRL
I SO agree with you. And why Sanders and Warren feel they must shriek and scold and spit to get points across is beyond me.
It seems that all of them, with the exception of Klobuchar, have forgotten they're running against Trump. It's a true shame.
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@MRL
NBC is famous for promoting food fights - and Warren
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Sorry NYT’s, listening to Warren is as pleasing as chewing on aluminum.
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@RobF - :)) I would listen to tapes of her all night rather than 30 seconds of Hillary:)) And if I want to sleep, I can just put on some Uncle Joe or some Mayor Pete:)
After listening to Kamala Harris at a debate, everyone else pales by comparison. But what should I expect from my fellow whites. We are as bland as potato salad with paprika on top. At least Bernie gets agitated.
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@RobF
Elizabeth Warren is the reason for the mute button on the remote!
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This “ debate” is ridiculous...the moderators are letting Warren talk whenever she wants and barely letting Klobuchar speak. The hand raising is also ridiculous. Right now, I am disgusted... if Biden, Sanders, or Warren are nominated I’m sitting it out.
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Get over yourself and realize that democracy needs you to back the democratic front runner. Your or my ego mean nothing to the bigger picture. I don’t like what I am seeing either but it’s one of many debates. And I am voting for the democratic candidate no matter who.
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I was embarrassed to watch the debate. Kamala Harris got it right several months ago when she said, "Hey, guys, you know what? America does not want to witness a food fight. They want to know how we're going to put food on their table."
In this debate, I wanted to hear a group of adults discuss and compare their policies, listen to thoughtful critiques and answer questions. Critical also was how their policies differ from those of the Trump administration, how Democrats as a team are going to win, and how Democrats are going to work to be sure that the biggest disaster – DJT -- that ever hit our nation would never happen again.
I tuned in late, listened for 10 minutes, and discovered that there were no adults in attendance, and turned it off. No adults among candidates and none among the moderators. This election, first and foremost is about saving our Democracy. The debate couldn’t possibly be about winning the election, it was just an embarrassing food fight. Where are the people who know that and behave like that is the priority. Kamala is gone and Michelle Obama is way too smart to run for any public office. Groveling in the mud isn’t her style.
There were no winners in that debate just a losing demonstration. Donald and Vlad must have been laughing uncontrollably at Democrat’s inability to mount a rational election.
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Bloomberg has the experience, knowledge and presence to stand up to the junk yard dog named Trump in a debate and win the election.
Amy and Mayor Pete are rational.
What a dog and poly show with the participants trying to out-bark each other.
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This is a horribly-run debate, my god, NBC.
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@John
Yes, the town halls moderated by Fox, are far more effective.
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@John
It was obvious that they did not want to let Klobuchar speak - why? - because she is very good at debates if allowed to talk.
Good grief - even her closing argument they interrupted - there was not one single time they let her finish a response - not once!
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@Meg
Agree, horrible. horrible treatment of Klobuchar which follows a pattern of dismissal of her from New York Times coverage to this debate.
I'd be furious.
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Is Bloomberg paying for comments here? He is coming off as a lower energy Trump lite. The handling of stop and frisk and women he harassed is egregious.
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@Dee G
Bloomberg is gonna buy us out of Trump.
I am a retired old lady. I do not work for anyone.
But I see Bloomberg and Buttigieg as the calming influences of this debate.
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He is paying for ads. I have seen 4 during the debate.
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@jason h Yes Jason, because he gets the job done. He bought those, not donors. Bloomberg worked hard for his money, Trump got from Daddy. Very different types of billionaires.
Bloomberg know how to run businesses, and know politics that’s how he got to be a billionaire and I don’t see why people find it a problem. Trump doesn’t have clue and really? No tax returns. Bloomberg has no problem revealing.
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Terrible debate format - terrible moderators - not enough time for candidates to respond or make their points- Donald is probably enjoying this.
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The circular firing squad in action. The only winner tonight is Trump. It's nearly March and we don't have a leader a platform or even a message.
These egotistical clowns are dooming us to four more years of high crimes and misdemeanors - now with the approval of the Senate, and s Supreme Court that will ruin a generation.
I am in despair.
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@David Rose
Iowa and NH and NV need to get over themselves so we can have a two-stage national primary.
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@David Rose
Me too.
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The way these Democrats are pummeling each other tonight, I
can't wait until the Nominee among them gets Trump in the ring.
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They have to get rid of these debates once and for all.
Do town halls, do cabinet meeting simulations; do speeches; do anything that actually emulates what the job of President does.
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@Karen Amen. The debates are generally terrible! This was one of the worst.
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Debates without civility are simply ridiculous showmanship. Everyone interrupts everyone else. This diminishes the importance of the event, and sets a precedent that it’s Ok to be rude.
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I blame the moderators.
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@Liberal Hack
Such an awful job I called NBC to complain.
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I almost went straight to bed after wrapping up work.
But I decided to watch the debate for just a moment to see how Bloomberg performed…and am I glad I did.
The Democrats have not formed a circular firing squad. They’ve formed a complete three dimensional firing sphere with machine guns and artillery.
As a Trump supporter, I find it absolutely delightful.
I will have very happy dreams tonight.
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You could take every fault and flaw of the whole Democratic field and multiply it tenfold and it would not hold a candle to Mr. Trump’s multiplicity of sins and monstrous behaviors. But you closed your eyes to all that long ago.
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Heartless people probably will.
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I'm voting Trump, but it was fascinating watching Bloomberg's opponents talking about business and what they'd do for business owners as if they had even a microscopic clue how to do it. Here's Bloomberg who made gazillions from his own company, God bless him, and the morons on stage are talking as though they know business better than him?
I'll give Bloomberg kudos at taking on the morons on stage.
I wish he'd promote himself more but he's forced to look somewhat ashamed of being wealthy.
If he became President, I'd like to see him encourage and push policies to make more people make more money rather than the usual democrat bla bla about "here's another ton of social programs to force people to wallow in mediocrity so they're never incentivized to improve their lot in life".
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You cannot eat, drink or breathe money.
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But you can buy a lot of food and drink.
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I would vote for Warren, if I could...but it will be Bloomberg (with VP Buttigieg?)
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This is disgraceful. Here’s to a Bloomberg-Mayor Pete ticket. The only 2 adults in the room.
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@Raydeohed
That's worse than Amy&Pete!
@Raydeohed
Not if black and Latino voters have their say.
And they will.
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Not impressed! Nervous about the final outcome!
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Sanders/Warren
These Two--Belong Together!
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@That's What She Said - Bernie is my favorite but I think a Warren/Sanders ticket would be better.
Warren is younger and as a female has a longer life expectancy. She would be better at all of the overseas travel and late night wakeups. Meanwhile, Bernie has about 7 or 8 times as much Senate experience and would make the better VP out of the two. Essentially, they are on the same page.
Put Harris in as AG, give Yang, Booker, and Pete a cabinet post along with Tulsi and Amy and you are off to a good start. And thank Uncle Joe for his service and send him home to spend more time with his family. By November, Bloomberg will have changed parties at least 3 more times.
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This debate is an embarrassment.
I blame the moderators for allowing it to get this out of hand.
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@b
Except for Bloomberg and Buttigieg, the others are seizing the opportunity to attack, raids voices and generally make themselves look bad.
The “moderators” are letting them do this. But the candidates are responsible for how they look!
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Worth stating: Nope! Most Vermonters do not have a second Vermont home worth nearly $600,000 like Sander's home. He has three houses, none are "cabins" and he is worth a few million dollars.
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@Moosh - so what? That just shows that he's not advocating that we abandon capitalism- he is a nuanced thinker....
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@Moosh write a few books about a 21st century New Deal and you too may make enough money to enjoy such financial security in your old age.
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Alright, there is infighting on the stage. It's good training to go against the Trump abuse down the road.
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I can't read any pro-Bloomberg comments without wondering how much the writers are getting paid by his campaign.
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I am voting for Bloomberg. But I haven’t heard anything from his campaign.
When do you think I’ll receive my check?
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@Fumi
I wrote a pro Bloomberg comment and I'm voting Trump. Therefore the NYT won't dare print it.
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@Fumi
Absolutely correct.
He is astroturfing the NYT and WSJ comment boards big time.
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@KatyNYC
I think that is equating Eastern European, Russian, South American, third-world dictatorships (ie, so-called) “communism” with first-world democratic FDR-style social services like we used to have, like they currently have in Sweden, Denmark, Norway and Germany...
And btw, we ARE currently living in a “communist” state already — it’s just that all of the “free stuff” — all of OUR taxes — are being given to the wealthy.
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It's Bloomberg's lucky day. All these attacks will only enhance his profile.
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I noticed Bloomberg wasn't standing on a box. Could that be another lie from Trump. I was convinced he would be.
On a positive not hopefully the crowd will thin soon and reveal the stand out candidate. Fingers crosses it is either Sanders or Warren.
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First debate I tried to watch. Horrible. Couldn't last more than 10 minutes.
I always envisioned "debates" as civilized discussion over issues, offering reasoned pros and cons.
Ten minutes of this left me nauseous. Never again.
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My blood runs blue, but the snarling at Bloomberg was a turn-off. Fear perhaps? Elizabeth’s reason, Amy’s intelligence, Pete’s balance, Bernie’s angst and Joe’s experience aren’t going to get us to the finish line. Can you guys please build a phalanx?
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The winner of this debate so far..... unfortunately, is Trump. And he didn’t even have to show up.
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People please! It’s one of many debates and Bloomberg is a threat to the existing list of candidates. I’m not worried I am glad he is there to spice it up and wake everyone up.
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I don't care what they say about Bloomberg.
I think he'll crush Trump. He'll get better over time.
He was better in hour 2 that in hour 1.
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@DickeyFuller you have no idea how horrible Bloomberg really is. This guy would be much worse than Trump.
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@DickeyFuller - Why would he want to crush Trump? They are both rich, New York racists who both say that if they are president, they will sell their business:) Oh, and they both hung out with Epstein.
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Stop taxing the Poor-For God's Sake! Anyone making less than $45,000 should not be taxed. Period.
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Horrid, debate tonight. This food-fight format is just awful. All the candidates should be forced to watch this in it's entirety, so they don't repeat this ugly debacle. Bloomberg's a disappointment. I can't listen to Berrnie drone. on. and. on. and. on.
That said, I think Pete's winning this one. Very presidential.
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I have to agree, Pete looks most presidential on that stage.
It is painful to hear angry shouting so much!
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Something is wrong with this audience and this Incompetent panel
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Sanders is a millionaire who owns three houses? Wow, that's rich and a lot of hypocritical.
Sanders reminds me of the college professor who expects his students to agree with him and that anyone who doesn't is just not very smart.
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@Mack He did not get rich by inheritance or by exploiting anyone. He wrote several books with increasingly popular ideas...
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@Mack - Where I live, if you own three houses and are only a millionaire then those three houses are ready to be condemned.
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@tom harrison That's awesome for you, but Sanders doesn't live in Washington State.
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Bloomberg is a Republican in sheep's clothing.
He'll be gone before the end of March.
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@Ken
Wrong. Bloomberg was a lifelong Democrat until he ran for mayor of NYC in 2002 as a Republican, switched to Independent during his 3rd term, and then back to Democrat in 2018.
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At this point, except Bloomberg, I'll take any democrat over the Russian pocketed Trump party of red.
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@PATRICK
Four more years!
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Of the Grand Dragon
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The NYT headline for this evening's debate is so, so "brutal" (a word in the headline) compared to its coverage of the Trump Administration that it's dizzying. Every story lead, every headline about Trump is watered down, but not the reporting on tonight's debate "Democrats turn on each other, etc." The Republic is burning and the NYT has responded.
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I am SICK of these people attacking each other.
Only Buttigieg, it seems to me, is able to weather an attack calmly, speaks eloquently without animosity and because of that, it’s easier to listen to him, because he’s not raising his voice or demeaning others, even when he critiques them.
The only way we can win is to be civil. We have to be respectful. They have to be respectful.
These debates are doing themselves - and us - a disservice if they make dissension the most obvious aspect of our party.
Why would anyone follow a bunch of people, most of whom can only argue, raise their voices, and sound disrespectful?
At least Buttigieg and Bloomberg sound more reasonable.
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I am not sure if that matters in the Trump era ... the political correctness hasn’t done much for the Democrats in 2016 !
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@marcia
Letting Trump’s chaos become central to civic life is an abomination. And I abhor it.
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I know Bloomberg's responses -- such as that on capitalism and corporate boards -- will bother some. But I appreciate the candor. He's 100% right that some of these strains of conversation will accomplish nothing but convince a chunk of Americans to just accept more Trump.
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The moderators are doing horrible job! They are so biased in giving candidate time to talk.
Last debate was a lot better, and right now Sanders and Warren are shouting too much just talking about what want to say, instead of addressing the questions!
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I wonder how many of these comments are being made non-deceptively and by real people.
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@Astrid
I am a real person.
Vote your conscience. But be respectful.
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Bloomberg is the only Real Hope for 2020
Do not understand all of the bitterness hurled towards him for being a Self Made rich person. Shouldn't this be an example??
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@jen
It boggles the mind to measure the contempt and the absence of applause for intelligent thoughtful accomplishment as a promotion for leadership!
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One thing is for sure: Maggie H is on top of her game and a value to us readers! She seems to know exactly how to cut through the chase and tell us the bottomline.
On another note, tonight, as a Democrat, I felt ashamed of my party and country. Such talented people, who I still believe are benevolent patriots, going for each others' jugulars...Trump has brought us all down to a level of disgrace and shame to operate from. We shd not be talking to each other w such vitriol.
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Sanders is turning a deeper shade of red with every question.
Talk about a Red Scare!
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@John
Obvious dirty messaging from the "Party of Red".
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@John: Perhaps it's the blood pressure?
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Mayor Pete said the Number One place to live the American Dream is Denmark? Bingo Mayor Pete-what do you think Sanders wants to emulate?
2016--
Denmark, there is a very different understanding of what "freedom" means... they have gone a long way to ending the enormous anxieties that comes with economic insecurity.
SEN. BERNIE SANDERS
Not Exactly Original Thought--Pete
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I almost choked on my gum when Pete said that!
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I haven't watched once of these debates, not one. I refuse. I don't care about their policies or what they will do, which won't get done anyway. I don't care who the nominee is. I will vote for whoever it is. I want Trump gone and if they can't pull it together and win this thing, I may never vote again. What's the point? What is wrong with these people.
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I lasted 10 minutes and had to turn the channel after seeing the "also rans" attack Mayor Bloomberg, in very mean spirited condescending ways. Bloomberg's press release was absolutely right...all the others should just drop put and get out of the way.
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Try vodka next time. I lasted 90 minutes!
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@RobF
Or ice cream. I lasted 30 minutes!
Interesting,
even though they are attacking each other
....(because the media has implied that they are not assertive enough to complete against trump)...
none has left the realm of facts and resorted to abuse the way the president does.
All would be a significant improvement and all could save the USA.
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@Dan
Best comment I've read
Ok. Bloomberg just called out comrade Bernie and Warren free formed wealth tax. This has gone full WWF.
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Is it just me or does it seem like NYtimes commentary is biased against at Buttigieg? He’s winning by being composed, sensical, and presidential.
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you aren’t the only one.
I feel not only NYT but other media are biased against Buttigieg.
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@Rowan Johnson he would make a perfect public relations hack. But the former mayor of a city the size of Green Bay, Wisconsin is too big for his britches if he thinks he is qualified to be president.
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Has Sanders ever actually held a job?
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@Mack mayor. Then member of House of Representatives and then US Senator. So, yes?
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Universal childcare? Did anyone ask people that do not have children.
Aren't Warren and Sanders millionaires themselves?
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Childcare leads to more people working. And spending. And being taxed. And raising up their families. And going to college. Universal Childcare would have a huge positive impact on the entire economy.
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@Kayle Simon
are you factoring in the future with more automation, robots, AI, self-driving cars and trucks?
Trump 2020? Yep.
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@Bahn Mi
Hopefully, cuz these people are cray cray.
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Bloomberg is the only one with any dignity on this debate stage. This spectacle made me embarrassed to be a Democrat. I may do something about that.
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Warren gets her two cents in, LOL. I’d give her four cents to stop talking.
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@M
I’d donate $1000 to have her just direct consumer affairs and put a sock in her boring virtuous myopic lectures!
Total clown show.
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Bernie knows only two numbers: 1 and 99.
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And “2” as in stints
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Bernie, you are losing us! The taxes we pay should help the poor. A few billionaires - especially those like Bloomberg who made it themselves and spend it wisely are not the biggest problem here - STOP Bernie!
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@JHa he backed George W Bush...that is not spending it wisely or showing good judgment.
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@JHa
He lost me long ago. 4 years ago.
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Chuck Todd just asked "Sanders tweeted last year that billionaires should not exist" what are your thoughts?
Lol this is pathetic. Every MSNBC debate has been terrible.... as im typing he just asked Bloomberg "should you exist?" Incredible.....
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@CL Agreed. I'm wondering why Chuck Todd exists. Why does this guy still have a job?
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My take after the first hour: Bernie and Elizabeth are having a good night with their messages and passion. Mayor Pete is going too negative taking some cheap shots. Biden comes across as angry, not passionate. Amy is on the defensive, and Mike Bloomberg comes across like a wet noodle, albeit a well-heeled one.
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Wow.
Bloomberg cannot take a punch.
He’s like a deer in the headlights.
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I hate the moving stars in the background.
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Bloomberg and Klobuchar or Buttigieg.
Who does Sanders think is going to pay for getting homeless people off the streets? Other poor people?
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@Mack
You are so right! :)
Bloomberg and Buttigieg. Klobuchar .... too smarmy.
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I'm likely voting for Warren but she has needed a better speaking coach. Watching the debate with the sound off, she has consistently made the preachy gesture with her left hand that essentially points at the viewer and stabs them. It's a "you-you-you need to get this!" gesture. Who on earth has not coached her out of this? Love her policies, feel she's been badly served by her team. This is not a law class. Speaking presence matters a lot.
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@Sara agree...except for the voting for Warren part...
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@Jim vote Trump.
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Her speaking style and race-pandering comments leave me nervous
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Clownish behavior. No data. Moderators letting things go off the rails for minutes at a time. Bloomberg looks like he wants to be somewhere else. Warren looks nutty. Biden looks young next to Sanders. Buttigieg was super and Klobuchar wilted under Pete’s attack. Bottomline - 4 more years.
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I am impressed with the values, character, great ideas, and ability to respectfully disagree shared by these candidates: they all should have a role in the next Presidential administration: Bravo!
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Why is no candidate allowed to finish a sentence or a thought? Are the moderators evening listening?
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@lisa delille bolton
Corporate owned media. What else do we need to know?
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This debate reminds me of all the Republican debates ahead of the 2016 election.
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@PW - Thank you. And it worked, didn't it?
Why do we suspect that Bernie's idea of "the wealthy and the powerful" means anyone with a clean shirt?
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Will someone tell Warren that she is not in the lecture hall!
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Sanders too! Aagggh!
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Yes! both of them!
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Pete has a real future. Klobuchar has a future also, preferably as the Vice Presidential candidate this year and then as the Presidential candidate in 2024. Bernie would be the perfect person to hold the non-existent position of The Conscience Of The Democratic Party. Biden, sadly, has let Iowa, New Hampshire, and the polls divert him from his winning strategy of positivity. Warren appears to be auditioning for a senior role in the Trump reelection campaign. Bloomberg is the only one who demonstrates that defeating Trump is what the election is about, that if you don't win, you lose, that if you do not defeat Trump and deal with the reality of Congress in 2021, you will get nowhere, not even one step on the road to all the noble, aspirational fantasies coming from other candidates.
As to being a billionaire: it takes billions to run for President. I rather have a President whose source of money is 100% transparent than one with a lot of dark money from unknown sources.
In any case, I wish the Times would stop pretending these are debates. They are simply the Democrats version of "The Apprentice", with the punditocracy, commentariat, and twitterati getting to feel good saying, "You're fired!" and "You're hired!"
The "moderators": actually, they are picadors. [online definition: a bullfighter on horseback who pricks the bull with a lance to weaken it and goad it.] TV likes advertisers, advertisers like ratings, and ratings like blood, not intelligent, substantive discussion.
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@Steve Fankuchen What has Biden said and/or done this evening for you to say Biden has diverted from his campaign of positivity?
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I agree:
The moderators are NOT doing fair job for the debate.
Pete and Amy together could be a great team to lead this country.
This is how I feel so far.
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@Steve Fankuchen
It's good training for the eventual Trump debates.
Bloomberg when he’s not apologizing is quite erudite on any of the substantive topics when he gets a chance to speak. I think he has the guts to beat the President and the brains to actually govern when he does.
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Pray tell, what do we put in our automobiles to make them run once we outlaw gas companies?
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@M
A bunch of electrons
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@Marco L'italien
Who can afford a Tesla? Elitist liberals.
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@M Prius.
Absolutely dreadful.
Elizabeth Warren is shrieking like she has become unhinged; Bernie is shouting the same tired phrases; Biden remembers that he did everything when Obama was president; and Amy Klobuchar looks ready to cry. The press is strictly going for sound bites on “red meat” issues about past behavior not policy.
Bloomberg and Buttigieg look like the only two sane people on the stage.
Big mistake by Democrats to abandon civil discourse and try to savage Bloomberg. Encourages me to vote for Bloomberg on Super Tuesday.
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@Alice In Wonderland
Or Trump
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@Alice In Wonderland time to vote for Trump. Bloomberg is crazy. You don’t know him because you didn’t live in NYC. He would be worse than Trump. Don’t be fooled!
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Dear @M. I will never vote for Trump in this or any other part of the multiverse.. I will vote for whoever the Democrats run, including Bernie. But I am ashamed by all of them tonight except the two mayors.
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This is like the World Wrestling federation. Painful. Debaters: Take a deep breath, slow down a little, stop hectoring each other.
Warren is looking better tonight.
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Ask any US politician or CEO if they are willing to release people from the NDA’s in place with complainants they have experienced over their careers.
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I was looking forward to this debate. I, like many others, actually WANT to hear from Bloomberg. And, for the record, my top pick is Bernie! Shame on MSNBC for this debate. It is embarrassing, a disgrace, and no better than anything Trump produces. I watch these to learn about the candidates, not to raise my blood pressure by listening to a bunch of name calling and arguing. I get enough of that all day from my three and six year old.
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@To the Man: But Bernie is the one shouting the most! He looks like he’s ready to explode his face is so red. I am sick of his screaming.
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@To the Man -- Totally agree. From now on, I'm watching the new political commentator on CNN, Andrew Yang. This "debate" was shameful. Screaming, slimy, sarcastic personal digs -- the candidates all lowered themselves. Biden was so obviously desperate. A dedicate Democratic friend could bo longer stand it, and decided to turn the channel to "My 600 Pound Life."
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@Hortencia I used to be put off by his way of speaking. But as time has gone on I have gotten used to it, especially because I find him one of the most "real" and "genuine" candidates. He is one of the few that gives quick blips of humor, and camaraderie with the others. I appreciate that about him. They were all off putting tonight, especially Klobuchar and Biden, and maybe most of all, the moderators.
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Lots of people hyperventilating in the comments tonight! We have lots of time to coalesce around one candidate. Waving the white flag nine months before the election feels premature.
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I can’t find the right words to convey how happy it makes me to watch the band of Socialists try to take down the Marxist while the ex Republican gets it from all sides. The democrats are absolutely self destructing.
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Republicans self destructed when they became the party of Trump. A disgusting soulless man.
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I confess I have not read all of the comments so far. But am I the only one who is less than impressed by this particular panel of moderators? I have seen all of the so called debates thus far, and I believe this is the weakest panel of moderators yet. Their questions are not substantive. More trying to be a Gotcha. How sad our presidential system has become......it’s embarrassing.
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@Wilmington EDTsion
I agree. Very nasty mudslinging debate. Ugly, ugly, ugly. Not helpful at all.
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@Wilmington EDTsion I agree. They lost "control" early on. I think it is past time we find some other method or methods to compare/contrast/rebut/debate candidates.
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@Wilmington EDTsion -- Thats msnbc for you. The protectors of the public trust. But who will protect us from them?
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The whining, back-biting, and blindness of Sanders, Warren, especially, is disgusting. The real danger to our country is Trump and Trump Fascists. They care more about being self-righteous elitists than protecting the people who are being most hurt by Trump and the GOP. ISanders is the Trump of the Left. Warren is a whining baby. Buttigieg can not overcome homophobia. The only options are Klobuchar, Biden, and Bloomberg. The only person who can make up the defection of Bernie Bros if their candidate doesn't win can only be made up by center, center-left, and old school Republicans who will vote for Bloomberg.
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The goal is to elect a Democrat for President. The current candidates have lost track of that goal and are engaging in a free for all tearing down their “rivals” -the other Democratic candidates- to make themselves look good. It’s all about individual egos and not the good of the Democratic Party or the country.
To date, I’ve seen or heard nothing from this group that increases the Democratic Party’s chance to win a general election in 2020
I’m a life long Democrat and distressed with the internal fighting that continues to be be the story of the Democratic Party’s efforts. This public display of continued dissension is not the path for success.
It’s alarming that these candidates don’t get that ...even though the alternative is obvious
I believe our only hope rests with Michael Bloomberg. But it’s clear, the other candidates have no larger goal than to advance their own “ brand”
Sad to say, it looks like Trump will win. The Republicans might not like him, but they closed ranks around him. The Democrats might want to take a page from their play book....but there is no one at the top in the Democratic Party. It’s a free for all
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@Charlie Havi it’s time to admit the Dems are a disgrace and vote for Trump.
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4 more years anyone?
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Wow.
Elderly white millionaires pounding on an elderly white billionaire.
Ho hum.
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Klobuchar should prosecute Warren for murdering Bloomberg's chances at being nominated. She mollywhopped Bloomberg and isn't done yet. Glad to see Warren take the gloves off.
Bloomberg has no business in a Democratic debate.
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On Disastrous Minority Record--Klobuchar--Let's Review
On Fracking----Let's Review
On her Campaign--Let's View in the Rear View
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As for Bloomberg and the non disclosures ... Anyone who knows about women and harassment know that SOME women do NOT want to go public! Some women don’t want to be in a headline and anybody who says otherwise does not understand psychological protection in these cases. Furthermore Bloomberg is right to say that these cases were agreed legally on as is and that’s it. But Elizabeth Warren and others are assuming they know the answers. I hope some of these women will anonymously say they WANTED non disclosure. Warren is either clueless, full of herself or is looking for an opportunity to smash Bloomberg.
Bernie Sanders are making me crazy. Such a screamer. I am sick of him. I’d like to see his health records because his cheeks look like like his blood pressure is sky high.
Warren’s “earnestness” reeks of empty drama.
Biden seems lost at times and always rides on Obama’s coattails.
Klobuchar flubbed the answer.....she contradicted herself and was being disingenuous. Either she didn’t know the name of the President of Mexico OR she had a momentary lapse of memory. She can’t claim both!
Pete is dynamite and is an adult among these arm swingers. Bloomberg is also an adult and is purposefully not entering into this adolescent shouting match.
The moderators are a huge disappointment. God bless Jim Lehrer. May he Rest In Peace. I miss you Jim.
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I miss Jim Lehrer too!! NBC gave us Trump, can’t believe I’m watching this nasty network
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@Hortencia:
Jim Lehrer was an erudite intelligent gentleman.
I saw Warren’s shrieking tonight as very troubling. She was my 2nd choice but tonight (I saw a very ugly unrealistic side of her).
I’d also venture that if Warren was (hypothetically) ever interviewed by Jim Lehrer, she’d likely attack him for being a man. “How dare you interview me, Jim, being a man! Why couldn’t you be a strong woman, Jim?”
And Sanders - oh my. Loud! Angry. And where’s the $50 TRILLION coming from? Please explain.
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Agreed: "God bless Jim Lehrer... I miss you, Jim."
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I would love to see a moderator like Jimmy Dore, or David Doel, or Kyle Kulinski asking the questions. Chuck Todd- ugh.
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These debates are awful to watch. Smart people attacking one another, instead of attacking the disgrace in the Oval Office.
Really, what is the point of all of this?
We are divided enough in this country. And the twitter in Chief only divides us more.
I will vote for any one of them over the incumbent, but this relentless back and forth is a waste of time.
I had to turn it off.
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@MTC It's these moderators. They throw out "gotcha" questions and pit the candidates against one another.
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Exactly. I caught on to that. Shame on them -they created a bull fighting ring.
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Why is Michael R. Bloomberg holding aggrieved women hostage via NDA’s?
Because he paid them and now he controls them.
What is he afraid of?
Just the truth.
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This debate is a train wreck, with plenty of gotcha questions that produce moments that the Producers of Survivor would aspire to be able to deliver. The moderators have let this spin out of control, and there are at least two candidates on this stage that completely reek of desperation, with talking over their competitors, interrupting, and rambling on. Different people may pick different candidates in panic mode, but I would be surprised if other commenters didn't think there were people on the stage that know they are headed for the exit ramp and are in desperation mode.
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It’s embarrassing that a nut like Sanders is leading in the polls. Can we just call Trump the winner now?
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I’d rather have a “nut” than a “psychopathic king”.
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Did any of you naysayers ever watch to one of the 2016 Republican presidential debates with all their ugliness? These Dem candidates are fighting for their political lives. One of them WILL be our next president and will protect the future of our democracy.
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For all the crosstalk and faux aggression, I am enjoying the debate. The NYT commenters are wringing their hands, but this Democrat loves a real debate. Also, can you imagine Trump responding in complete sentences?
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@Blessinggirl I predict Trump will decline to participate in any debates. Why not decline--he does whatever he wants anyway.
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Ha, ha! Good comment on complete sentences! But this is NOT a debate. I was a real debater. This is not that. Not even close. And the moderating panel is the weakest I have ever seen. Is this the best NBC can muster?
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The Democrats never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.
Instead of unifying and formulating a strategy to best Trump, they squabble like children. Not very encouraging.
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No one can ever say again that Senator and Candidate Warren does not have a sense of humor!
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All this pearl-clutching over Bloomberg's stop & frisk, former Republicanism, NDAs with women, and "buying" the election:
I. Do. Not. Care.
What I care about is beating Trump, and for that a candidate needs at least a modicum of charisma.
In that regard Bloomberg makes Michael Dukakis look like JKF.
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@Marty
Argghhh, JFK.
Whatever. Just get Bloomberg off the stage. He's putting us all to sleep.
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A poor excuse for being unable to put three initials into the right order the first time.
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Sounds about white for a privileged old guy. Let’s just keep lowering our standards. How many sexual assaults is too many? Apparently there’s never too many to lose *your* vote
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This debate has devolved into chaos. I've had to turn off the sound. I imagine trump is laughing his head off. My heart is still with Joe Biden, but I am thinking about supporting Bloomberg. I want the person who can take on trump and win. The good things Bloomberg has done far outweigh the bad. He's kept his cool up there. Not everyone wants their personal business to go public which is why some people sign non disclosure agreements.
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@Katherine what are some of the good things Bloomberg has done?
@Bahn Mi When he was Mayor of New York, his administration created nearly a half-million jobs, expanded health insurance to 700,000 people, reduced the city’s carbon footprint, and cut the incarceration rate by nearly 40%. He worked his way through college, got laid off from when he was 39, started a company and made it a huge success. After making all this money, he is giving it away to fight climate change, support gun control, and improve public health, among other meaningful issues.
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What about healthcare, infrastructure, immigration reform etc ? Trump is loving every minute of this bickering... If this is the best Democratic strategy then they deserve to lose in November
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@qiaohan Blame the DNC for there still being 6 candidates in the debate at this stage.
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I am so appalled how the claws came out of all these "candidates". Bloomberg is the only one for me.
Why should he apologize for being a billionaire when he made that himself. Almost 10 billions in charitable donation in around 15 years. He put his money where his mouth is. That is quality. Able to apologize for Stop and Frisk, courage.
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@wmpjp Bloomberg is worse than Trump. You’d know that if you lived in NYC during his reign. You do realize Bloomberg extended his term right? No other NYC mayor has ever done that before. Bloomberg served 3 terms as mayor.
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@Bahn Mi
He got re-elected didn't he?There was an election right?
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Yeah, and I voted for him. Without getting a penny!
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I am finding this unbelievably troubling. The worst debate I have ever seen.
All of the candidates — except one — is attacking everyone. The VERY BEST Circular Firing Squad trump could hope for... all democratic candidates bloodied.
Everyone agrees we must remove trump, BEFORE any of their (democratic) wants even have a chance of the light of day. If trump is not gone, these candidates will go back to their government jobs (except one).
Is this how we’ll beat trump?
No one — except Bloomberg — has brought up the severe problem sitting in the Oval Office, and how difficult it will be to remove him.
Even if the democrats win, how do we know trump will concede? He’s said for years the election is “rigged” - giving him the option to declare martial law and stay in power (declaring a new election with “special” rules).
Bloomberg know what trump is capable of. He is not bloodying anyone else. Like a disciplined fighter, he’s taking hits from his friends. He will NOT attack democrats.
He WILL attack trump.
This showed for that he knows what’s at stake, and how to help democrats and our nation.
He is the only disciplined adult on the stage. He is focused ONLY on trump.
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@Incredulous of 45 you do realize it was Bloomberg who extended his reign over NYC for an unprecedented 3rd term right? Bloomberg would be a horrible President. Yes, worse than Trump.
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FDR went for a third term too. Does that make him worse than Trump? Try to come up with another pseudo-argument instead of just repeating this one.
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@Larry D There was no law against a third term when FDR ran.
They should eliminate the audience from these debates including the cheering sections for each candidate. The commenters doing the live analysis by NYT seem swayed by them. If we are now at a point where apologies and explanations are never accepted and no one is fact-checked then these debates and the commentary is useless. I looked at Bloomberg‘s comments regarding Obamacare. His criticism was that the original plan was better and broader but was weakened by Congress. Yet Biden‘s criticism of him - that he never supported Obamacare - just stood unchallenged. Elizabeth Warren is being congratulated and cheered by the live analysts of the New York Times for her feisty delivery when really it is coming off as obnoxious. Her defense of Amy Klobuchar is even more obnoxious. Her snarkiness does not wear well.
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This is sickening, a real slug fest with everyone shouting at the top of their lungs as if the world needed a hearing aid.
I almost wish I needed one so I could remove it. If these are the survivors of 9 debates, we're in worse trouble than I thought.
Nobody will be able to claim an ability to unite the party moving forward at this rate. If they stuck to airing differences in policies, it would be one thing. but these shouts and personal screams are more personal in nature and will ultimately make unity difficult if not impossible.
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@ChristineMcM
We’re united for Trump!
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So far, Tulsi Gabbard is winning this debate. Trump is laughing up his popcorn as he watches this.
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@Chris Sandeman
Can someone explain why Gabbard is still able to run? Seriously.
Make this election about healthcare for all - and people will vote for the Dem candidate. Warren has the best ideas, and has taken on the banks successfully. I think she is doing well in today‘s debate. Just to counter all the cynicism I see in these comments.
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The difference between Trump and Bloomberg I think is that one is willing to at least say "sorry". The problem with Trump is that he refuses to grow up and be a "good" person. He comes off as a deeply insecure chip on the shoulder guy but yet given his nasty behaviour, make it difficult to love him. He's only on your side as long as you and him see eye to eye. But I think Bloomberg is fine with disagreement, just probably incredibly stubborn.
Republicans aren't really interested in governing anymore it seems. Even immigration, which they used to be for, now they're using it as a cudgel rather than finding solutions for it.
Even though I'm to the left of Sanders on many issues I'm not a nationalist and I believe our common humanity is more important than our geographic borders (though I believe our common ideals and principles is even more important than our common humanity and it so happens we've organised geographically). So I'm for globalisation and I think Obama's vision for the USA was largely right and he tried to do his best to actually govern but he was rebuffed by Republicans. I think Bloomberg will do similarly.
Inequality is the only issue and only solution is higher taxes on the 1% and it should be COLA adjusted (like bringing back the SALT deduction).
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The NYT is all,over Klobuchar in their live comments. Sharks just waiting to see her stumble. She held her own just fine. Good for Warren formsupporting her. Backoff NYT. Focus on substance.
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So so embarrassing. Trump is laughing all the way to another 4 years. I hate this.
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@Not Rocket Science
I love it
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speaking for the rest of the world: Trump is endangering us ; if Bloomberg can beat him, nominate him. It's amply obvious that the other candidates, whatever their merits, can't. He certainly has flaws, but they are a good 3 orders of magnitude less than those of the current tenant of the WH...
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@smart fox heck, we know Sanders can't beat him, that's for sure
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This is just such a mixed bag. Very unsettling. It throws into stark contrast just what excellent candidates Bill Clinton and Barack Obama were. That said, the bar is pretty low with Trump and the only key to beating him is uniting the party. I wish Obama wasn’t so cautious with his legacy. It would be great if he could endorse one of these candidates before Super Tuesday given the debacle in Iowa and the fact the Ukraine affair seems to have poisoned Biden’s campaign.
All very tricky needles to thread; don’t want to alienate young voters that are key to long-term Democratic primacy but also want to nominate someone that is competitive in IA, AZ, NC, TX.
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First off, they have to stop calling these free for alls debates. They are closer to an MMA fight then a debate. The moderators must get better control or just stop having debates. The overwhelming feeling I'm getting from this debate is that whomever comes out as the Democratic candidate will be damaged goods. The DNC must find a better way to bring out the presidential candidates because this format is just not working and will not beat Trump.
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This debate is beyond awful. I have yet to hear much of substance—who can get a word in without Elizabeth Warren’s pronouncements on what is right. I used to think she was OK but I am finding her really scolding and witchy.
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I turned the debate on and off in less than 2 minutes. It was downright embarrassing. The personal attacks and mudslinging degrade the entire Democratic party. Instead of each candidate deciding "what" they are going to attack their Democratic rivals on, I would have preferred to hear "how" one of these candidates will beat Trump and move ahead on important issues. Too much to ask? I am starting to believe that is so. Dems are doomed unless they focus on the end game. sigh.
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The two youngest candidates are putting the old people to shame.
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very true!
I wish the Times would stop pretending these are debates. They are simply the Democrats version of "The Apprentice", with the punditocracy, commentariat, and twitterati getting to feel good saying, "You're fired!" and "You're hired!"
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The for-profit network asks gotcha questions and interrupts the answers. The Times headline exaggerated and calls the debate “brutal.” The media is not contributing to civil or substantive discourse. In fact just the opposite. All debates should be on PBS. And the Times should drop it’s trivializing running commentary for something better. Who cares if it’s “great TV”? We are electing a president.
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Working people watching rich people argue and lie about the crumbs to be tossed to us... smh
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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I actually lived under a communist regime and there is nothing pretty about it. All these free things Bernie and Warren promise are so illusional. Cut your expenses fist, then promise “free”. Given our current expenses more few things just means more debt for all of us and our children. I am excited to finally see a normal person in the debates- Bloomberg. And since when being successful and self made became embarrassing?
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Bloomberg is a “normal” person? How many multi-billionaires do you know? He is far from normal. No one on that stage is suggesting communism.
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@KatyNYC
He is anything but a “normal” person.
And his atrociously vile comments to women in his employ—
Is disqualifying.
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Bernie and Warren are Social Democrats, not communists. So unless the “regime” you lived under was Swedish or German, or the like, you can’t make the comparison.
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Had to check- is this debate on Fox? All the shouting, interrupting, rudeness.
Not really a debate. Just one-liner (but run on sentences) insults. Hard to watch!
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I never felt that Mr. Bloomberg was the perfect candidate,
but after a few minutes of watching the other candidates berate him, I am beginning to believe that he is.
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At some point, I would like the writers of this article to explain how Senator Sanders could obtain an "insurmountable" lead on Super Tuesday when he is polling at thirty percent. How can they or Sanders claim that the nomination will be Bernie's when seventy percent of his own party's voters want someone else?
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Warren and Sanders are handing the Presidency , the Senate and House to Trump and the Republicans, their bitter attacks are destroying the Party unity and inspiring Trump et al to tar and feather every Democrat as Socialists. It is happening here in Orange County , ask Mike Levin.
Bloombergs life story is about getting things done which validates he will get it done as President.
What bills sponsored by Sanders have been enacted , some seven
mostly renaming post offices.
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Now we see why Mayor Bloomberg avoided this whole thing for as long as he could. What a disgrace! I knew this was what we were going to get, and I couldn't make myself watch it on TV.
I actually like all of these people as individuals, every one of them, and it's so sad that in their zeal to be president they'd allow themselves to sink so low. It's too bad that not one of them was clever enough to excuse themselves from the Bloomberg pile-on and instead spend their time articulating their vision for how they can get our once-great nation back on track. They could have scored some points and differentiated themselves from the pack.
Anyway, it sounds like by default Mike was the winner on the evening. And I think this will be viewed as the next step on his path to the nomination and ultimately the presidency. It's too bad the others felt they had to subject Mike and all of us to this.
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I thought Michael Bloomberg would be toast , once the American voters at least those who actually vote heard him speak.
Nobody on that stage is beating Trump.
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Are you basing that assumption on personalities or policies?
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Just once, just set out a plan to deal with health care, infrastructure, immigration and how to pay for it all. Forget slice and dice and present a case for why you period.
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Over/under on days until Bloomberg drops out?
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These ‘debates’ are virtually unwatchable. Riddled with ‘gotcha’ questions and digging up dirt from the past. I fault the sponsors. Each time I begin watching, hoping for the moderators to ask some cogent questions about how the candidates propose to lead on urgent issues such as climate change, tax fairness and how they will help our country grow in the new economy (Andrew Yang, I miss you!), and what we get are ridiculous questions designed to drag the candidates into the mud. Dems need to scrap these news outlet-sponsored debates. Hold real, future-focused discussions and topic-focused debates. I watch each of these hoping for a change and they are all the same. After 10 minutes, I can’t handle the yelling and turn it off.
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@Matt you lasted 9 minutes and 45 seconds longer than I did. This debate is horrible to watch.
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Best debate so far. Loving the blows being traded. Missing the 7 universal basic income plugs though.
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The debate tonight is a display of utmost selfishness. Me, me, me. Not about America.
Shame on the moderators. Shame on the debaters. Get a grip everyone. Fighting and sparring is going to beat Trump?
I am not learning a thing. This is not presidential. It’s worse than any school debate ever seen. Is this an example of what we could expect from a president? Who needs heart palpitations, anyhow?
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People that work for Bloomberg signed the agreement voluntarily. And those agreements are across the board in all business. He should not be pressured into releasing it. I have ZERO respect for Warren for doing that.
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@wmpjp - isn’t Warren also the one who jumped on mayor Pete about his internship at McKinsey? She’s so out if touch.
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@wmpjp Very few people sign NDA's "voluntarily." People sign NDA's in order to receive severance after getting laid off, or to finally receive a settlement for a misdeed from a much more powerful party. It's just another way for the powerful to manipulate the powerless.
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Klobuchar earns a Master is Annoyance. Coming Unglued over not knowing Mexico Politics--Adios
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The circular firing squad is in full force. The Dems are tearing each other apart and giving the election Trump. Really stupid.
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@KJ,
Not so fast because while The Dems are clocking each other over the head and targeting Bloomberg, he is listening carefully while remaining in 'detached-mode'.
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Warren tore Bloomberg to shreds. Way to go!
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Warren is tearing herself to shreds with her hysterical attacks. Her desperation is clear.
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@Matt Um she was an embarrassment, and is no match for Bloomberg. He has kept his cool and that’s what I want in a President.
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@Oh My
I’m voting for Trump. And Bloomberg couldn’t have looked worse.
Transparency is important.
If Sanders doesn't release his medical records, I won't vote for him in the CA primary. Same if Bloomberg doesn't release his taxes.
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How about Joe/Bernie, Bernie/Joe? Can that work?
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@JHa,
Barring common decency, Joe/Bernie show different political ideologies. A more likely possibility might be Mike/Amy.
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@Miss Ley, agreed.
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I just LOVE it! Four more years for Trump!!
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Klobuchar’s toast. Biden’s toast, Sanders can’t win, Warren coming off angry at everyone. Pete is milk toast. If Bloomberg can’t recover and pivot then this tire fire of a debate insures four more years of Trump - he must be laughing over on PA Avenue. What a mess of a “debate”
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The reason this debate is like it is, is because of how rhe media reports it. The 30second soundbite instead of the whole argument.
Warren tried the reasoned arguments, the non conflict approach and look where it got her in the polls, ballot box
Now she has changed track. No more uncle fluffy
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Can't stand Amy.
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The Dems have NO chance....
Shows over...pack up the tent.
Embarrassing! 4 yrs and this is the best you got.
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That’s what everyone said about the Republican primaries when Trump was running.
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The refusal of Bloomberg to waive non-disclosure agreements in sexual harassment settlements is disqualifying.
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@JW No it isn't.
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He has $4billion that disagrees with you.
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Don’t lose hope - all these candidates believe climate change is real, that reproductive freedom is critical, and that marriage equality is a right. And none seems willing to hand over the government to a cabal of religious zealots. Let’s celebrate what we can.
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@Sarah
AMEN!
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Pete has a real future. Klobuchar has a future also, preferably as the Vice Presidential candidate this year and then as the Presidential candidate in 2024. Bernie would be the perfect person to hold the non-existent position of The Conscience Of The Democratic Party. Biden, sadly, has let Iowa, New Hampshire, and the polls divert him from his winning strategy of positivity. Warren appears to be auditioning for a senior role in the Trump reelection campaign. Bloomberg is the only one who demonstrates that defeating Trump is what the election is about, that if you don't win, you lose, that if you do not defeat Trump and deal with the reality of Congress in 2021, you will get nowhere, not even one step on the road to all the noble, aspirational fantasies coming from other candidates.
As to being a billionaire: it takes billions to run for President. I rather have a President whose source of money is 100% transparent than one with a lot of dark money from unknown sources.
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@Steve Fankuchen What debate are you watching? Bloomberg is managing to come across both as arrogant and a deer-in-headlights; quite a feat, I'll give him that.
A president who can fund his own campaign, btw, is also not accountable to anyone.
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Are we watching the same debate? Bloomberg can’t explain himself on stop and frisk, on sexual harassment non disclosure agreements, on his support of Bush and electing a republican senate, on and on... And this is the guy who should be the nominee?
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@Steve Fankuchen -- Genau!
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Lifelong democrat here. This debate has so shocked and appalled me. I will not vote for any of these fools, except, Bloomberg.
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@NM
Yes, the man rich enough to buy-off as many sexual harassment claims as arise..
Trump isn't even that rich. Apparently.
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@NM ...also a lifelong voting Democrat...I like all of them less every time a "debate" occurs...very nasty all around...
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@NM He's got cool, I must say. I'm impressed.
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For purity police, they sure are throwing a lot of mud around.
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@vsr
The stakes are high - especially with Bloomberg in the mix.
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Elizabeth Warren is talking about electability while on the attack.
I live in Massachusetts and voted for her before. She is now unelectable for me as my Senator. Such a turnoff.
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I'm not really a Biden supporter, but where's this Biden been the entire campaign?
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I saw Tom Perez’s warm up act. I’m sorry to say but the guy should be pitching phone plans at Costco. Us Democrats are doomed.
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Aside from the adolescent mudslinging going on tonight (I partially blame the moderators), I hope it’s clear to the voting public that Bloomberg is not the answer. I implore people to move on from this man. May he help get Democrats elected on the down ballot but he is not prepared for the presidency.
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So he isn’t good enough for the DNC but his money is?
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Bernie Sanders is on the wrong path with his medicare for all.You won`t win an election with this...not in the USA.
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Not true
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@Heiko
He's in the lead.
Young people and lots of others are thirsty for change as regards a humane, comprehensive health care plan.
Mainstream media doesn't like to much talk about it, but Bernie's rallies draw thousands and thousands of supporters.
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@Misplaced Modifier So if this would be an really issue, it probably would have been invented long before.
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I am a life long Democrat and I am embarrassed by the performance at tonight’s debate—- more like a brawl. I expect this kind of behavior at a Trump rally.
I have no preferred candidate and am firmly in the ABT (anyone but Trump) camp. But tonight’s debacle makes it more likely that I would vote for some of these folks by holding my nose and asking my integrity to take a day off.
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One more democrat that will not vote after tonight! Let Trump have the win.
@Popeye the Sailor
Those of Bloomberg's ilk are good at creating chaos , while pretending to be all goody two shoes and above the fray.
I can't look at him without holding my nose.
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the proportion of the economy that is driven by healthcare and pharma is huge.
does Bernie even understand that eliminating it as it is now will slash the taxable income that will pay for his plan?
I’m a healthcare worker and no way I’ll take a pay cut to work for the government.
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@SN
Health care jobs in Canadian hospitals are prized because they pay really well and have great benefits.
Being as how you work in health care, I'm surprised you don't have more concern for people who can't afford it.
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I always voted for Mike Bloomberg when I lived in NY and watching this nasty debate is making me think I’ll be voting for him in the primary. The candidates are all sowing discord and misinformation amongst each other.
Trump is the real enemy— only Mike Bloomberg seems to realize this. I thought he only entered this presidential race to criticize Trump and fight his re-election, but he seems like the only adult in the room right now.
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I’m a Republican, centrist and more purple than red, like all my friends.
Trump vs Blumberg, I vote for Blumberg.
Trump vs Buttigieg, I vote for Buttigieg.
Trump vs Sanders I vote Trump.
Trump vs Warren I vote Trump.
Trump vs...... you get the picture.
Give us a moderate and Dems win the White House, it’s that simple.
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@Porter,
They can’t! They are so fractured and the DNC will ultimately implode.
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@Porter McRoberts -- you could hold your nose and vote for Sanders or Warren if only to deny Trump the White House.
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@Porter McRoberts Anyone who would vote for Trump isn’t a centrist.
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I'm disgusted with these people. At this rate, Democrats will have destroyed each other before Trump even has to lift a finger. Just revolting. every one of them has warts. All of them. And I think the vast majority aren't even remotely electable, particularly Sanders. You're not winning any votes from middle America, and they're turning off loyal Democrats! I resent being told who to vote for, by anybody. Liz & Co.: I'm a woman, and I don't need your permission to decide that I want to support the candidate who I think has the best chance of ridding us of the slime that inhabits our White House. I'm voting for Bloomberg.
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Sorry, but Elizabeth Warren is beyond irritating and seems to me to be somewhat desperate. Her attitudes are us versus them. Her instincts are not those of a uniter. She would not wear well as president.
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@Katherine I’m a female but Warren is whining all the way. I find all the other candidates attacking Bloomberg because the are scared of the only candidate who can beat Trump.
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@Katherine -- She is making a fool of herself. Sad to see her act this way.
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@Katherine:
Early Warren tried to change her view as the shrieking angry woman with no heart. She changed that for a few months, talking about her mother and children.
Today, her shriekyreturned. She was my #2 pick until tonight. I believe this is her “natural” personality. It will be a liability against trump.
I want to see Warren tweet the same attack she made at Bloomberg, at trump. She will not. Because she’s scared of what triwill do to her. She did it to Bloomybecause she knew (Bloomberg ‘s said & showed) he will not attack democrats. So she did something cowardly by attacking Bloomberg.
I fully expect her to now attack trump with the same words (directly to trump, on twitter). If she’s won’t, she’s being fake.
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It’s ironic that Buttigieg uses a divisive attack on Sanders to accuse Sanders of being divisive... gaslight much?
Buttigieg is attacking Sanders because he knows Sanders is authentic and popular. And if you are the person attacking someone for telling the truth, if you are yelling at someone to play nicely, then you are the one who is actually a bully — you are one who is being decisive. I’ll never vote for Buttigieg.
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ugh. some of you people have to drop out or Sanders is going to be the nominee. and he won't win.
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Electability is entirely crowd-made, how can you look across the aisle at Trump, and tick through every scandal he has been a part of, and question the electbility of anyone on that stage. I will vote for anyone who is nominated over Trump, how is anyone out there on that stage less electable than that man?
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@Caleb, truth!
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I agree with many of the observations being posted. Why can’t this debate be a real debate not just bombastic hand waving like the grade grubs who tried to dominate in our classrooms when we were in school. I fault the networks who structure these so called “exchanges”. Time to change.
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And so it begins: the protection of little Wall Street Mikey by the mainstream news media against the "brutal" and "ferocious" attacks from the left.
Bloomberg doesn't even deserve to be up on that stage, talking about electability. Bernie is killing him in the polls. Bloomberg is such a fraud. He says if he loses he will support the winner but then viciously and arrogantly says the top guy has zero chance.
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@Joe -- "Wall Street Mikey"? What's with the hate? Looking at the clowns on state only Bloomberg and Buttigieg make sense.
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Say what you want about Bloomberg's policies, at least he has no charisma.
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Which candidate will take Bloomberg's financial support offer? Bernie won't but who else would?
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OMG these questions, this debate. What a mess. Why do we let TV "personalities" run these debates - the stupidity of these questions - We learn nothing and see these guys fighting each other like Trump...
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@JHa
Agree: should be monitored by local college professors in the cities where the debates are held, to be more educational to voters and less media circus.
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Besides the predicted favoritism from Trump's debate moderators, it appears the places the candidates hold were determined as well. It is likely no accident the network placed Bloomberg next to Warren, which would intimidate her. Never underestimate the power of Television. That's why I watch exceedingly little of it.
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Well Chuck asked her a question and even then - he did not let her answer - we all know she has called for a review of that case - all of us except for Chuck Todd
So I guess we know why he keeps cutting her off - he had already made up his mind without getting all the facts.
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@Meg -- others were cut off. What a joke this is.
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So far, the moderators have done a lousy job. They lost control from the get go. It turned into a Bernie show who never shut up and repeated himself over and over as he has done for 40 years. What a bust. Bloomberg came out looking sane.
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The Democrats have succeeded mostly in giving Trump attack lines against them.
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@NM - He's probably sitting in front of a big TV, taking notes and smiling.
Given the quality of the other Democratic candidates, I think I'll be voting for Bloomberg in the primary... writing him in on the Republican side, where he belongs.
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Interesting: Bloomberg did have two stents - as did Bernie. Bloomberg campaign has been denying this.
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@Maria Holland
They have not denied that he has stents. They deny he had a heart attack;which he didn't.
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Yeah and he had stents because his heart was perfect. Right.
Where's the only candidate of color left, Tulsi Gabbard?
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She was a Trojan Horse, never a real candidate in the democratic ticket
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She’s irrelevant
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She was just a Trojan horse, never a real candidate in this party!
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On health care — I spend $20k a year after taxes for health insurance for 2 people in NYC....the arguments against Bernies plan are all insane. I’d be happy to pay an extra $15k in taxes if I would save 3k a year on this. Add this all up and these extra taxes would EASILY cover the costs of his plan and provide better coverage at a lower cost for all.
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@XX
Bernie's arguments for his own plan are actually rather insane -a lot of the countries he likes to point to actually have healthcare plans that are more like the moderates plan. His plan is far more liberal than Germany and many others.
When you add the fact that they don't even have the votes in the Senate to pass it and won't - there is no point to vote for anyone who proposes it - it can't get done and won't
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@XX,
There isn’t enough money to go around.
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@Meg
It won't all get done on Day #1 of Bernie's presidency, but change needs to start somewhere.
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Bloomberg got hit right off the bat, and it as if he is going out of his way to show that he really isn't arrogant like they say. It might be better if he just goes ahead and sells himself and not try to be so meek. Not sure I am for him but was willing to find out. Am now losing interest. He doesn't even know how to break into the debate.
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@Maura3,
Bloomberg is hardly being allowed to get a word in, even if he tried.
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Klobuchar--has terrible past with minorities--thank you Chuck Todd for bringing up NAACP. Why should minorities trust you? Klobuchar punts--she recounts and sidesteps why should she be trusted. Let's Punt on Klobuchar
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I'm surprised plutocrat Bloomberg was not wearing a Mao jacket--the guy works for China LLC, making bank selling Chinese government owned companies' stocks. He and DJT love Xi like he's a founding father.
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Why can’t Bloomberg just say about stop and frisk, “I did the best I could with the advice and information I had at that time.”
And he’s right, Bernie has zero shot being elected.
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@SN Funny, I didn't know "leading in polls against Trump" translated to "zero chance of being elected."
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@SN because it was the not the the best he could have done. There was plenty of sound, practical advice against it. He chose not to solicit it at the time but doggedly follow his own misguided beliefs. What he said was better, or at least not a lie. I like Bloomberg but he's made many mistakes and this one particularly egregious.
Warren is the picador, goring Bloomberg so Bernie can bullfight him.
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Has anyone noticed that the temperaturea this winter are like 10F-15F above normal? This is crazy climate change. Should he the most important topic in the debate tonight.
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@Chad : Listen up; they are on that topic now. Bloomberg is already making the most sense!
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@Chad
I would have liked longer, more substantive answers. Those were bullet point, nothing burger answers.
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Simple. Bloomberg he is the only I can vote for. Harping on stop and frisk, the city was safe.
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@Oh My Only if you were white living in a white neighborhood! And it was safe before stop and frisk! I lived there throughout.
And no, stop and frisk needs a full accounting. 5 million people were abused!
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@susie No neighborhood was safe. It became safe with Bloomberg. Now the city is back to being an unsafe mess.
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@Oh My
Case in point: Tessa Majors.
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Well, win or lose, Bloomberg will make many more Billions by name recognition, just like all the Billions richer he got as Mayor of NYC. He did promise not to run his businesses while in office. But he still got Billions richer thanks to the daily name recognition everywhere. Bloomberg is very good at business, like getting rich while in political office.....legally.
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I kid you not; first Bloomberg got rich in office with free name recognition, then Trump, and now Bloomberg again. I'm convinced the election is rigged.
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Apparently Senator Warren has a reading comprehension problem. Amy Klobuchar's website has probably close to 30 paragraphs on her medical plan versus 2 that she claims. If you are going to take shots you better have your facts straight. Anything else looks like desperation.
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These are debates?
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What a disgusting bunch! They all are a giant turnoff. I can remember being so proud to volunteer on Obama's '08 campaign. I wouldn't get off the couch if someone told me one of these clowns was at my door! I wonder who is going to have the first stroke--Biden, Sanders or Warren, a real bunch of old fools!
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Does every one of these debates have to get bogged down in the minutiae of Medicare for All ? Yes, healthcare is important, but there are other important things to discuss such as how we will get our democracy back and better defend it from the likes of Trump and his henchmen.
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@gkwest
Climate Change is #1 we are out of time - and since Amy is correct - there are not the votes for M4A - it is irrelevant to talk about it.
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@Meg Indeed, they finally got to talking about climate change too, but in all the shouting can you remember what they said?
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This debate solidifies it. I will never vote for Buttigieg, Klobuchar or Bloomberg. Warren and Sanders are the ONLY ones speaking to working- and middle-class taxpayers. We pay the taxes NOT the billionaires. All of the other candidates are status quo Republican lite. If Bernie or Warren are not the nominees I’ll bot 3rd party. I refuse to have my hand forced by the DNC and corporate-owned news media.
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@Misplaced Modifier
that is a vote for Trump
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And there you have it.
2016 redux.
trump is counting on you.
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Then let it be Trump then.
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After a couple of early shots at Bloomberg this has devolved into a hot mess and they are all attacking each other. And not Bloomberg. Which is great for Bloomberg and makes him look the most electable candidate on the stage. The other candidates are looking desperate and scrambling and biting at each other. Bloomberg just needs to pivot to an anti Trump message and ignore any more attacks and he’s home free
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@Tex Murphy:
Agree. Bloomberg was calm, focused, and disciplined. He’s really prepared for the REAL fight in a few months.
Bloomberg showed how STRONG he is. Hopefully the rest of the party figure out, too soon, not to keep shooting ourselves. We are NOT the enemy! Elizabeth, Bernie, Amy... were you listening?
Bloomberg won.
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@Tex Murphy He looked embarrassingly bad no matter how many of his campaigners try to deny it. He should just step out of the race or he's going to lose in a landslide.
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Elizabeth Warren just showed us what a miserable person she is in her attack on Bloomberg and others. She should pull out of this race. She is unfit and as nasty as Trump.
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@Gary I know. How DARE a candidate attack another candidate for bad ideas and bad performance. She should just sit there politely and not advocate for herself. After all, she's just a woman.
Bloomberg not electable. Speak faster, please.
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@Miguel
He does not need to talk faster - they are not cutting him off when he takes his time - they only refuse to let Klobuchar finish a sentence even though she has had little time to speak.
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I am not watching , I knew that this was going to be a disaster.
Trump is laughing all the way to another 4 years in the WH maybe more.
I want a debate on the issues, depth on the key ones. This is a very shallow society.
Sanders, Warren indulging in these theatrics are worse than Trump as they know should know better
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@Carsafrica
This is TV! The moderators are encouraging this, and the audience should keep quiet.
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@Carsafrica Me too. Can't watch them blow it this bad...when so much is on the line.
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As is typical, they let Warren, and Sanders go on and on and on don't even let Klobuchar finish a sentence.
They are clearly going way overtime - but she can't finish a sentence?
When she was on Meet the Press, evey question Chuck levied at her was about Mike Bloomberg. She has been polling well and should be given some respect.
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Klobuchar has an equitable amount speaking time per the times own tracking of the time
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I am a registered Democrat and I will ensure that nobody in my neighborhood votes for Liz Warren in the Connecticut primaries. She is arrogant, lazy and bereft of ideas.
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You can say anything about Warren except that she's lazy on ideas...
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I am tired of hearing about Canada, France, and Germany. The votes for "Medicare for All" have to go through Kentucky, Texas, and Idaho.
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@Blair Trust me, Kentuckians would rather stick it to theoretical Mexicans than vote in their own interest...Look at Mitch, then look at our poverty level.
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Obama care cost a lot too- the most basic plan I wan on for a while cost over $400 a month, had a deductible of over $6,000, and still lots of out-of-pocket costs!!! A broken wrist cost a fortune!
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@JHa
I can't even imagine.
Chill bumps here.
@JHa,
And, yet I miss our Last President even though Obamacare during his term in Office brought this voter's health coverage monthly premium down to nearly $600 from $1,500 due to a pre-existing condition.
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@JHa -- I too had a broken wrist. We had NO health insurance. Took the money out of savings. Outch! The doctor who operated on my wrist gave us a huge break, charging us less than $900 but the hospital, OMG, they charged around $12,000. Then there was at least $2500 for the anesthesiologist. Yes, a broken wrist cost a fortune.
And yet, had we been able to afford ACA, being older, we'd have to pay well over two thousand Dollars a month (and not the best policy on ACA), plus the huge deductible -- in short: it was actually better robbing our savings account.
This should not be. There should be basic coverage. That said, it should not be free. It can't be free except for those truly indigent. Even Medicare isn't free. They charge an x-amount quarterly.
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I would like to stay and watch Bloomberg:
- awkwardly sneak-flash his wallet to the audience for their applause
- waddle across the stage in his platform shoes
- slip a $100 note to the moderators every time they throw a softball question at him
- scramble up a step ladder to speak into the microphone
- roll up his sleeves to milk a cow to show that he is smarter than any farmer in Iowa
.. but I'm fixin' to go watch Trump rally now.
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I’m watching, listening and I’m starting to think that a Bernie-Amy ticket is the way: his age questions are assuaged by Amy, and the good progressive ideas from Bernie are balanced by Amy’s mid-center ideas.
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I'm completely with Mrs. Warren's view that if Bloomberg gets the nomination voters will be asked to substitute one billionaire for another.
To which I will also add that voters will be asked to effectively vote between two Republicans. After all Bloomberg was a Republican as NYC mayor and much of his economic policy favors the 1 percent.
Bloomberg is in the best position to purchase the nomination but he lacks policies designed to help the middle class.
There are perfectly qualified Democrats currently in the running. Bloomberg needs to come clean about the direction he wants to take the country and how he plans to get us there. As of now, he is only a quieter slightly more polite version of Donald Trump.
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Bloomberg is nowhere near a Republican on any issue. He ran as a Republican for mayor because that is the primary line he could win on. He is FOR gun control, for firing climate change, raising taxes on the wealthy and corporations, charging a transaction tax on Wall St, allowing personal prosecution for Wall St crimes, for expansion of early childhood education, for economic incentives to level the rural/urban and racial socio economic divide. Please explain to me how any of those policies are Republican?
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@PeterW -- I doubt Trump is a billionaire. For starters, he did not make his money: he inherited it. And he squandered plenty. Probably the reason he does not reveal his tax statements is that he is worth a lot less than what he wants people to think. He is a fraud.
You cannot compare Bloomberg to Trump. Trump is crude and a liar. Bloomberg has class. He is also informed while Trump sits in the WH eating hamburgers and watching fox news.
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Can't wait until they let Bloomberg speak again so the rest of the field can pummel him again. Didn't know debates could be so much fun to watch.
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@Vin
Hey, I had trouble breathing you made me laugh so hard. Only because it's true.
@Vin -- you call this fun? It is excruciating to watch these clowns. I almost prefer a root canal over watching this spectacle. The only ones making sense are Bloomberg and Buttigieg.
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When I look at the debate, one thing comes to my mind. Can anyone imagine Trump 's behavior in that very spirited debate.
I can't imagine him being e civil or rational. I am happy and proud Democrats are having such open and spirited debates.
This is what really Makes America Great not Trump pompous angry name calling and Mussolini like facial muggings.
Meanwhile the GOP is shutting down primary challenges to Trump. What are they afraid of? What is Trump afraid of.
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And by the way, the moderators are not giving Bloomberg anytime at all.
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The DNC has to ask itself; why did we agree to have a debate on Trump's TV network?
Right off the bat was a low blow from Holt who raised the dirty word "Revolution" to demean Sanders. This is how Television elected Trump.
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@PATRICK I’ve heard Nina Turner use that exact word on just about every interview she gives. She is very proud that Sanders is the leader of this so called revolution. I suggest you take it up with Bernies campaign manager if it bothers you so much.
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@lori
You missed the point. NBC is helping Trump with dog whistle words normally viewed as bad. Tomorrow Trump will be railing against Sanders saying he's starting a revolution. You just don't get campaign psychology.
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Bloomberg is one fine actor.
I suppose that's to be expected when you can afford to hire the best acting coaches in the world.
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Warren's performance, while probably seen by her team as critical to her continued survival in the primary, has made me lose any remaining respect for her and the integrity of her positions.
Her choice to come out swinging to assault the other candidates on their moral, personal, and intellectual competence with flagrantly insulting terminology, while a calculated gambit, has dragged down the tone of the debate. This is how Trump gets reelected.
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@Paul W There is equal opportunity mud slinging tonight.
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@Paul W Her desperation! UGH.
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@Paul W - If she had any chance of winning, her opponents would whip out here Texas bar association card - "American Indian" in her own handwriting, signed "E Warren". Now that's real mud....
This debate so far is ugly.
They are spending their time just attacking each other - except Bloomberg who is on the receiving end of a lot of this.
And this is how they intend to be Trump?
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Elizabeth Warren is right in the middle of the circular firing squad that she admirably stayed out of for so long. This will not win supporters and will not convert the unconverted. This will end her campaign.
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@Joshua:
She’s no longer my #2 choice.
I’m not sure if she .org Biden are now on the bottom, for me.
A very tough choice! I’m saddened by tonight’s debate. How disgusting.
It was like a trump rally. Rah-rah. He likely loved it, watching democrats bloody each other.
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Buttiegieg--burn this Party Down! Hysterics don't play well Pete..
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This is so painful to watch, if I wanted to hear nasty comments and ranting, I’d listen to Fox and Trump.
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I am watching the debate on mute with CC. Any time Sanders talks, it switches to all CAPS and BOLD??? Is he loud...
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@Stymie
I love Sanders. Your comment made me chuckle.
Bernie is passionate. I see that as a positive trait.
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@Stymie Yep. Rage is probably a better description.
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Those Democrats who are initiating attacks on other candidates instead of Trump have lost my vote. They are doing Trump’s work for him.
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@JB Tonight is not going to be about Trump. This will be about trying to knock off the competition before Super Tuesday. Right now Dems need to figure out who they want to be their rep and it will not just be decided by how they say they will beat Trump.
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Mike is quiet. Can he jump into this burdel? This is the most vicious debate so far.
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Racism and sexism obviously are unacceptable. But this election is not about racism or sexism. It is about saving Democracy in this country. Focusing on racism or sexism is a colossal waste of time.
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Says Florida Man
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If you're a woman or a person of color, racism and sexism prevent you from truly participating in democracy. Please remember that women and people of color are citizens and voters and deserve better.
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@Jay Orchard ...says someone who likely was the target of neither. Okay Boomer.
Give me Biden 20 years ago--Sorry Joe--not everyone ages at same rate
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Unfortunately Biden has aged badly. He does not appear strong enough. Pity, I wanted him to get the nomination but now....
I am voting for Bloomberg in the primary. I don't care what these people are saying. He is the only chance we have to get rid of the criminal in the W.H.
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@Jaleh solid reasoning skills! Many Trump loyalists say the same about Trump. Let's not, for the sake of getting Trump out of office, which is undoubtedly important, forget that he is merely a symptom a broken system, one that most be rinsed of its soil. There's more to this election than him.
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@Paul G NO! We can not survive another 4 years! You can kiss the good old U.S. of A. Goodbye if he is reelected.
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@Jaleh
Bloomberg already pledged his millions to the eventual nominee, so that's that. He can do that if he wants.
Don't need him for president.
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Every second I watch it makes me feel that Trump will get another term. Shocking how horrible the whole spectacle is. No way for a party to choose a nominee and beat a gangster-president.
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Klobuchar--come up with new lines--Please!
I don't think you look at Donald Trump and say we need someone richer.....
Oye!
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In regards to Michael Bloomberg and Bernie Sanders, when will we address the age of these the two candidates? Either one would be the oldest elected president at 79 snd if served two terms would leave office at the age of 87.
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That headline isn’t true...Bloomberg is cool as fan...
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You just know that Bloomberg already has a dozen "HE WON THE DEBATE" commercials in the can. And People will believe him. That's what TV is for...
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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Warren
I'd like you to know who we are running against--A billionaire who calls women fat broads and horse faced lesbians. And No I'm not talking about the Donald Trump, I'm talking about Mayor Bloomberg.......
Democrats take a huge risk if we replace one arrogant billionaire for another
You Go Girl!
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@That's What She Said
Being an arrogant billionaire has little to do with the man beneath. Bloomberg is what Trump would like to be were he honest and not a narcissistic sociopath, self-made and not a con artist, really rich instead of a fraud and failed businessman. $$ is relevant because Bloomberg would not be bribed - Trump lives to be bribed, and steal, and lie, and cheat, and hate...
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@RealTRUTH -- Amen!!!
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No. I was appalled by her lack of decorum the whole night and she was my candidate. Bloomberg it is.
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Love Bloomberg sandwiched between Sanders and Warren metaphorically. Sanders finished with Bloomberg in opening and then Warren finished him off. Those Two. Love em
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@That's What She Said Ewwww... hate this. Let's go after the targets that matter, i.e. Trump.
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Trump must be loving this, watching the Democrats trying to destroy Mike Bloomberg, their most realistic hope of defeating Trump, and each other. Four more years of Trump - here we come. Thanks for nothing Democrats.
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@Jay Orchard , In reality, America has the government it deserves; we deserve the swine who rule us. Feckless Democrats and crooked Republicans are what we choose over and over, war mongers, corporate shills, grifters, and hacks. Perhaps DJT is the penance the Lord has given us for being lazy political suckers.
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@Jay Orchard why do you think Bloomberg has the best chance of defeating Trump?
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Bloomberg did himself no favors on two points: defending NDAs signed by women who have worked for him over the years, and slow-walking the release of his tax returns.
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Warren was way out of line with Bloomberg. Sanders is nasty (like Trump) can never ever deliver his false promises. Watching this is painful.
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Is it way out of line to play back somebody’s own words?
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And Pete is too slick, can't trust him, the truest politician on the floor (and that isn't a compliment). Sorry, instinct as I listen.
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@PS
Fran Lebowitz recently described Buttigieg as "calculating."
That is my assessment as well. Too slick.
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Bernie Sanders rings true, heart and soul.
He’s the real thing. It just radiates from him.
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No doubt he identifies the issues.
It’s the solutions he has that will never allow him to be elected.
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How exactly does he ring? By constantly attacking Bloomberg and interrupting? I would love to hear more about how he would pay for his ludicrous healthcare plans vs sticking it to B every chance he gets. He is just like trump just on the far left spectrum!
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Yes, he’s real. And naive. George McGovern II.
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Why will he not release his tax returns?
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@Gustavo -- Who, Trump?
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Bloomberg was the Republican mayor of New York City for twelve years. He did some good things, like start the automated 311 system for reaching city agencies, and he did some bad things, like not giving 300,000 city workers a raise for his last seven years in office. That stunt made the finances of NYC look a lot better than they really were.
But wait a minute, he was the REPUBLICAN mayor of New York City. Why is he even running in the Democratic primary?
And the last thing I'll leave you with is: Amy Klobuchar. She is the best match-up against Trump of anybody running. By far. She's young, experienced, thoughtful, nimble, funny, intelligent, a little self-effacing in that Minnesota nice way, and she has shown in three victories as a Senator that she can attract Democrats, Independents and moderate Republicans.
Oh, and it's worth repeating; she can DEFEAT TRUMP. President Amy Klobuchar.
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Trump spent most of his life as a Democrat didn’t he?
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Because the Republicans went crazy and he switched parties. And he only originally ran on the Republican line for Mayor because that was the primary he could win. And, by the way, a NYC Republican is a slightly left of center politician in most of the rest of the country.
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I'm sorry, but Amy Klobuchar - time and time again - shows that she is ill-prepared for the task of leading the US of A (her opposition to MfA already disqualifies her, not to mention not knowing the name of Mexico's president).
Let's not forget that Bernie is most people's first OR second choice (to do away with the non-argument that "centrist's accumulated points outweigh those of Bernie"), and therefore has the best shot at uniting not merely the party but the country. The odd soccer mum joke does not a president make. How anyone can regard her as a serious contender to beat Trump and lead the country is beyond me.
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Bernie is genuine and will stay with his message. It’s working for him.
Klobuchar and Warren are desperate and will attack Mike. It will backfire. If you look at Amy’s delegates in NH, it all came from places where there were less than a 1000 total votes. Warren will attack Mike, look more angry, and her supporters will go to Bernie (after all isn’t she supposed to be the nicer Bernie?).
The most interesting thing will be to see what Biden does. He will attack Mike on race. It won’t help Biden with the black vote (because if he has it and if he doesn’t he’s toast).
Not sure what Pete will do. Mike is a fellow mayor, very much like Pete in many ways, except a lot older and richer.
The most interesting thing will be to see how Mike connects with the general election voters.
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There is a big difference between being the mayor of South Bend and being the mayor of New York City. One prepares you to be president (not that I am for Bloomberg…); and one prepares you to be, maybe, an assemblyman in New York City.
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@Cate Bruckman
But, that said, many have risen to the occasion and office. I think Pete would do quite well and INFINITELY better than Impeached Donald John Trump or any of his lackeys.
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These so-called debates are not as much a debate as they are 1) insertion of talking points and 2) practiced dodging of questions.
And of course calculated attacks.
But the term “debate” sounds so high minded and egalitarian.
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It seems clear to me that Elizabeth Warren is the only candidate who can truly unite all elements of the party. She would also make the most effective President to extricate our currently fractured nation from its many problems.
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@Steve:
Warren was shrieking and was very unrealistic. She was my #2. Not any more.
I found her showing how scared she is of losing to him — even if it helps trump.
I need to hear why she has not said this sentence TO trump? Why hasn’t she tweeted this question directly to trump?
We know the answer. She’s also scared of trump.
Bloomberg showed strength. He was Calm. He took the punches from all of the other candidates. He hit ONLY trump.
Bloomberg IS STRONG.
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Warren’s performance smacked of desperation. It will not work.
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The best thing about tonight's debate is the inclusion of Bloomberg. His presence is way overdue. The debates badly need a new face.
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@Steve
On the contrary, the fact that he was able to buy his way into changing debate requirements while Cory Booker and other candidates weren't able to argue for his inclusion demonstrates both impropriety and the DNC's thumb on the scale:
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The voting public isn't ready for Sanders or his social democracy ideology. It will be a Bloomberg vs. Trump race.
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@Vin D The fear of the word Socialist in any form shows how deeply the Cold War propaganda has been drilled into the national psyche.
https://emcphd.wordpress.com
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Democratic socialism is more popular than trump.
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@Vin D Bernie is the fairest-hence him in the lead for 2 election cycles.Media and DNC are still bashing him and he gains more support for his progressive,humanistic ideals.
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