Blocked in U.S., Huawei Touts ‘Shared Values’ to Compete in Europe

"Huawei, he said, is completely independent, with no obligation to spy for China..." This is of course funny, as it is deceptive. The Chinese strategy is to buy off countries, one by one, by providing cheap deals and freebies before locking down the system. It's how they developed their solar panel industry - step by step, offering incentives to build factories in China, stealing the know-how, building new factories, price dumping... until all the competitors were out of business. If the Europeans think they will benefit from Huawei deals I have another Macao bridge to sell them.

Mr Trump is China's greatest sales voice. When he makes his pitch to the EU, and most other former American allies his offensive derogatory rhetoric says buy anything but American. Mr Trumps tax cuts for big business merely enrich the companies they're given to with no inclination or incentive for technology research, development, and deployment.

The EU is a joke which is why we have Brexit. If they are foolish enough to let a Chinese firm do their telecommunications then that’s their problem. America will no longer share technology with Europe as a result. And let’s face it, the biggest breakthroughs in tech don’t happen in the EU or China. So suit yourselves.

Seems like the United States is less naive when it comes to China compared to Europe. If Europe is doing this as some sort of swipe at Trump, just because he voices his own opposition and suspicion of China's ambitions... well, that would be an intellectual low point.

The EU will see what exactly China has up it's sleeve once it doesn't fear it. Right now it's all roses and chocolates. But it doesn't tolerate dissent. That's the "battered wife syndrome". China is a serial abuser and anyone who falls for it is going to be abused, period.

No private enterprises in mainland China. See what have happened to Li Ka Shing while he had showed sympathy to the Hong Kong youth. Recently, Liu Chuanzhi has been forced to retire from Lenovo. Don't be naive when the world has been facing a communist regime which has been eagerly to replace the USA with its Beijing model. Good luck Europe

The Europeans are fools if they trust the Chinese. China is a brutally repressive dictatorship and shares none of the values of Western Europe. If they fall for this scam, they have only themselves to blame.

The issue with Huawei and the Chinese government is that the latter can always acquire the company data's and information. They don't need a sub poena or any democratic process, its embedded in Chinese Constitution that their government can fully access any company's data whenever they want. If Huawei has access to the data of European nations then so can the Chinese government.

The current policy implemented by the Central government of the PRC is forced the listed / private corporations to place a communist member in the board of directors. Therefore, all the business must follow the rules of the CCP regardless the marketing conduct. This guy functions as monitor

No one has to state the obvoius that Trump has ceded American advantage thorough a continuous parade of policy blunders worthy of the know nothing he is. But that doesn't change the fact that anyone in charge of a global network will be sifting through it thoroughly. If it isn't the Chinese it will be the US. As long as we're not using this stuff fully encrypted that much is guaranteed.

Yes, Americans have been spied, is now spying and will spy on us, Europeans or Canadians or all others like Russians and Chinese do to the world now. No doubt about it. But this is not an issue here. What you should ask yourself ultimately is that when a nation get into ultimate conflict with China or Russia at the end of the day, which is going to happen for sure sooner or later since their national goal is to replace the US with themselves, Who is going to help you out of that war, trade or military with Russia and China??? Besides, are you going to support China by embracing the branch of Chinese government, Huawei, which oppresses their own people brutally and whose culture is directly as opposed to the values of the West: self-determination, rule of law, human rights and press freedom. Look around what happened at South China Sea, and Xinjaing, muslim region and the Hong Kong protest? You could not simply put the USA into the same and equal standing of China or Russia just because you don't like the Trump administration. You cannot deny that America shares most of the values with the West Europe and America will be the only country who can save you if the Europe is in conflict with Russia and China like it did you from the WWI and WWII. In a word, Trump is Not America. America is much more than Trump or the one time incident of its having spied on Agnela Merkel.

"Mr. Trump’s efforts to push European allies to ban Huawei have fallen flat." It has fallen flat because there is zero evidence that Huawei has spied or has a backdoor for it. Their only argument is Huawei CAN be controlled by the Chinese government. It's as credible as "We don't want the smoking gun to be a mushroom cloud". Meanwhile, the likes of Google and AT&T ARE being forced to do the biddings of the US government based on the US security law. So, at the end of the day, it comes down to the trust, not what is possible. Obviously, the US has been more trusted in Europe. In Trump's era, that is all changing and Huawei is just one manifestation of that.

Re : It seems to be working NO "The 5G and 6G infrastructure is "a critical key technology for secure data flows in Europe," said von der Leyen. The Commission plans to submit proposals for common European standards soon. "One of these standards must be that the companies that provide us with these highly sensitive technologies are independent and cannot be forced by their governments to share data," Spiegel 12.27.2019 Ursula von der Leyen is President of the EU Commission

Could Huawei be a front for Chinese state espionage? So difficult for the Huawei representative to say a simple answer “NO”.

Huawei was successful because there is no technology at the market place with comparable prices, performance, easy to use, configure and installation. There is no single middleware manufacture left after the merging of Lucent technology into a French company and the last defense from the US was to discredit Huawei by making up the false security threats spreading through mainstream News without providing any physical evidence. Huawei has been working hard to be self-sufficient to get around the sanction threats on hardware and software routinely levy by the US government and their strategy seems to be working in Europe, Mexico, Canada, African, Mid-east, South America and etc. The better industry policy from the US would have been to come up with a better product in direct competition against Huawei, instead of taking the dark alley of rumor mills. To that end, I have not yet seen any serious attempt and effort from the US telecom industries in the next generation of 6G.

"China believes in climate change and multilateralism" Are they really going to fall for that? China is the world's largest polluter of greenhouse gases, and isn't particularly multilateral if you're talking about the South China Sea. The US has our problems too of course, but saying that China is closer to Europe is a stretch.

The crucial story is buried in the article: the US is getting little traction in it's attempts to bully other allies to drop Huawei for a simple reason: the US has demonstrated that it cannot be trusted. This is a long term loss of influence for the US. A change of administration (in either 1 or 5 years) could stop making relationships with allies worse, but repair of US credibility will take decades, if ever.

By "charm offensive" I take it you mean "not being Trump". Our reputation has become anathema to a steady, stalwart and reliable partner.

What would be the purpose of Huawei to spy on Western countries? The possibilities are endless: corporate espionage, intellectual property, sales trends, contract negotiations.. etc. Its not really about spying in the traditional sense of military/sensitive information, its much more than that. At a certain point, integrations with monitoring software and cameras that can film you as your location is transmitted, faster of course as its 5G, will help any quell any dissonant thought you may have. Its incredibly laughable to hear the argument that China has more in common with Europe and is its friend. Lets look at the Italian garment industry, destroyed by Chinese illegal immigrants and mafia who have cheapened the "Made in Italy" label. The stolen designs and cheap knockoffs created by visiting trade shows and not buying a thing, but taking numerous and close pictures of trends and what is on the market. Its just an easier, lazier real time avenue to the theft of ideas that keeps China's economy alive. It is a threat, because it is in the DNA of their economy. To ignore it is to fall in love with that bag of money that China seems to always dangle in front of struggling economies. It always seems to change the right person's mind.

I just finished reading The Age of Surveillance Capitalism. One thought that I was left with after reading the book was that I hear so much about Huawei spying on me through their networks for the Chinese government, but my smartphone and any Internet of Things devices that I own are already spying on me. She establishes very clearly in the book that one of the reasons for Google and other companies' successes are due to their rise after 9/11. The government needed to spy on all of us so they turned a blind eye to drag netting our every interaction and possibly conversation in exchange for the information they could gather. We are already being spied on. Huawei is just competition.

Astoundingly rich are American complaints about the potential Hwawei products could pose for spying in Europe. This article acts as if Edward Snowden and what he revealed never happened. Why? What Snowden showed the world about American spying is directly relevant to the focus of this article. For example, Snowden's document trove showed that the American NSA intercepted and monitored the communications of European governments for the simple purpose of giving American negotiators a leg up when scuffling with European governments over trade deals. And who could forget the revelation that the NSA was listening in on German Chancellor Angela Merkel's cell phone communications? That is a particularly relevant detail when discussing European fears of cell phone monitoring. The U.S. government seems to think European countries will simply ignore what everybody knows. The article would've been better if it had addressed this complication of America's campaign to keep Hwawei out of European 5G.

Two words: social credit

Huawei may or may not spy on us. But the Americans most definitely do spy on us. It doesn't really matter much to us which side steals more of our secrets. Neither the Chinese nor the Americans are our friends today. But the Chinese make for much more sensible and reliable partners, so I'd go with them.

Why would anyone in the world today want to do business with Americans as long as there is a viable alternative?

That you don't like Trump is one thing different from that you should evaluate for the sake of your own national interest what Chinese companies are really like. In reality there is no concept of private or public companies in China since Chinese believe and have been indoctrinated that all economic activities are essentially nothing but part of the governance or say natural result of more directly controlled state affairs under the ideology of the Communism. The central communist government of the emperor Xi can actually fire anyone and replace someone as business owner of any so called "private" companies if they choose to do so by means of threats and imprisonment for any imaginable crimes and get access to their internal data for national security as per their law. For starters, Huawei looks innocuous to the naive Europeans who tend to harbor Anti Trump but in several years forward, I bet they will end up having their all aspects of personal lives monitored by Chinese and their political leaders being subject to constant blackmails and bribery.

Huawei can spend at least fraction of the money it allocated for such charm offensive in Europe and elsewhere to lobby in China to get the Chinese laws, which force Chinese companies to cooperate with the state with its increasingly oppressive and autocratic communist Govt, to change. Any policy intern, who has some basic awareness about China, understands that Chinese Govt is in full control of each and every Chinese company if it prefer to do so. They get attractive loans and many other benefits form Chinese Govt too to compete with other companies in china and abroad. Huawei is no different. Huawei propaganda would make more sense and become more credible if it undertake sustained campaign for corporate freedom and legal obligation of Chinese companies to comply with Chinese Govt orders. On the other hand, European Union is a very dysfunctional and opportunistic political union. It hardly can take decisions on almost any crucial issue including immigration, farm subsidy, defense spending, role of different nations in the union. EU want to benefit from cheap Chinese goods and technologies while relying almost entirely on the US for intelligence & security. History tells us that Europe create problems for themselves and others and then ask for American help that cost a lot of american lives and money. EU must stop eating the cake and having it at the same time. And that's has nothing to do with Trump.

There is no European country that shares values with China, except maybe Russia. We must renew our faithful commitment to Europe, for our own security. And, never, never use cyber tech from either of these countries. You sign your own "death warrant." This will mean getting rid of our own tyrant(s.)

There is absolutely no evidence that Huawei is a pawn of the Chinese government. And its vulnerability to such use is no greater than that of any American company, some of which we know (from Edward Snowden) have been willing participants in the US government's efforts to spy on everyone. Indeed, that reality is part of the irony of the US accusing China of doing exactly what it is already doing. But, beyond that, it is fitting that the US pay for its attacks on international law, multilateralism, and all of the pillars of the international system. The US has proven itself, time and again, to be rogue superpower and easily the most dangerous and destabilizing actor in the international system - much moreso than China or even Russia. The Trump administration thinks it can break international law with impunity, bully and brutalize other states, including its allies, and weaponize the US economy in order to blackmail other states - and do all of this without consequence. No, that won't do. China is a much better international actor than the US. That is objectively true. There are no Iraq Wars in China's recent history. The US needs to be controlled and cut down to size. If Huawei building the next generation of technology across the world is necessary to do that, then more power to Huawei. As it is, the Trump admin has proven that the US cannot be trusted with the power it has. If it wants to tariff the EU, the EU has no obligation to play by US rules.

What's funny is that Europe's own experts say they should be cautious with Huawei. Nothing to do with Trump at all. Sounds to me their fear of China's funding drying up at their pet projects is driving the decision more than anything.

The US attack on Huawei is nothing more than more US protectionism and Making Silicon Valley Great Again. It's just another wall.

When the Chinese have to remind Europe that "unlike the United States, China believes in climate change and multilateralism", we ought to grasp that America's foreign policy has run amok.

Managing this process would have been much easier, had the US not flagrantly offended our EU allies at every turn.

There is no such thing as 'Clean Software or Hardware' coming out of China. All of it, every copy, reports back. If you want insight into China's values, look at how they treat their own people. Every public place is monitored, as is all communication, then there are the 'reeducation camps.' Do you really think you can trust anything they tell you? Mr. Musk is about to open a Tesla factory in China, in five years his sales will begin declining, meanwhile the Chinese version of his car, which will be an exact copy down to the look of the knobs, will be going through the roof. Welcome to China.

Europe and the US are drifting apart on Huawei, Nordstream 2, Brexit and the climate accord. Next we will probably see a a settlement with Russia on Ukraine and an easing of the sanctions demanded by the US.