This is my semi cogent idea, and I’m an amateur not involved with the airplane industry.
Apparently libertarianism rejects government except as national defense and police
Let’s hypothetically tell government to stop regulating.
Of course that’s crazy, but what is the alternative?
An insurance industry that lobbies for passenger safety, and also inspects and approves the insured property
If their planes aren’t insured, then no flying, or fly at your own risk
Let’s see, Milton, Ayn and other libertarians if it
actually does work
I bet there will be more crashes, do you?.
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A proper post accident analysis is the only way to know what the cause of this was. However, according to all the eye witness accounts notated in this article. it appears that there was no pre-flight wing and airframe de-icing procedure performed.
Wing ice certainly would cause the aircraft's tail to drag or contact the runway on rotation. I don't understand why the takeoff was not aborted immediately after such..
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@Joe Amereicain Pre-takeoff calculations, using runway length, wind, temperature, aircraft weight and capabilities, etc., yield a speed called V1 above which it is no longer physically possible to abort the takeoff and stop on the runway. These calculations also yield a Vr or rotation speed at which, when its nose is pitched up, the plane will start flying. Vr usually exceeds V1: if that was so in this case, a tail strike or other problem at rotation would present the pilots with a Hobson’s choice between flying a wounded bird and going off the end of the runway.
Airframe or wing ice contamination certainly could have caused this crash.
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"slipping and falling on the plane's icy wing". That tells us all we need to know: The airplane was not properly de-iced.
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De icing fluid on the wing, might also be slippy?
I'm sure it is tempting to read the name of a central Asian country ending in "-stan" and assume the worst. In reality, Kazakhstan is a prosperous and advanced nation, and Almaty is a modern city. Schoolchildren in Kazakhstan learn 3 languages. Airline disasters can happen anywhere. As for the other crash mentioned, Aeroflot is a Russian airline that has nothing to do with Kazakhstan. Former Soviet republics are drastically different from one another, let's not ignorantly generalize.
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@svetik
No, the former Soviet republics are NOT drastically different from one another.
All of them still contain a lot of people, especially leaders, with the old Soviet thinking habits. Note the president here immediately hankering for severe punishment rather than for a thorough investigation -- that heavy-handedness was the old Soviet solution to problems, which accounted for the delay in notifying Moscow about the Chernobyl disaster, and so on. And I guarantee there will be NO investigation of why, in the modern city of Almaty, it took so long for medical help to reach the crash.
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@svetik
Generalizing about the rate of air accidents in former soviet republics is not ignorant, it is fact: their air safety records are atrocious. And when you get to the level of regional carriers such as this one they’re even worse. An aviation colleague of mine mentioned that this airline was exempted from a national safety inspection in 2018 to save it money.
It’s nobody’s job to make you feel better about reality.
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So sad for the lives lost. So happy for the lives not lost. Speedy recovery.
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“... slipping and falling on the plane’s icy wing.”
This and the rocking back and forth describe ice contamination leading to loss of lift and a stall.
Once again, the best piece of safety advice you can get is, do not ever, ever, ever fly on a third-world airline.
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I understand that you’re trying to help people, but this is still an awfully condescending comment. First of all, by implying that the passengers should’ve “known better,” you’re essentially engaging in victim-blaming.
Second, why use the derogatory term “third world” to refer to Kazakhstan? I spent nearly every summer of my life living in Almaty since I was visiting my grandparents there, and I can tell you that Kazakhstan isn’t the backwater hovel that you seem to believe it is. Yes, it isn’t entirely developed, but it’s still a modern, dynamic country with educated people and new technology. And before you say that I’m biased, I am also an American, just like you. So let’s not engage in stereotyping, shall we?
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@Madina
Straw man. I didn’t imply anything. Kazakhstan is third world. You’re making things up that I didn’t say. And if you’d rather I be nicer and let people die from making uninformed choices, well that’s just bizarre.
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Just FYI - KZ is a “second world”, or Developing country. Not a so-called “third world”, or Undeveloped country. If people want to split hairs, these things do have accepted definitions.
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It is not just third world airlines. Boeing too has a “checkered safety record.”
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@Ernesto -actually not until now re Boeing. American and Air bus planes have an incredibly safety record.
Trump's deregulation and party atmosphere with the FAA and Boeing head changed all that with the two recent tragic international Boeing crashes.
Russia for many yrs. had a terrible record on airline safety.
It looks like Trump's handler Putin is trying to spread the horror to Boeing.
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@Ernesto
Agreed. But could we please stop using the term third world, it projects a derogatory meaning even if you don't intend it as many people in the West use that term in a condescending way when addressing countries that are still developing.
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Where do you think those crashes were ? On 3rd world airlines. Helped along by inexperienced and poorly trained crews who made the wrong decisions in a crisis.
And yet no one seems to mention that part of the story anymore.
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