Thanksgiving Weather: Travel Issues Are Likely to Continue Through Holiday

Nov 27, 2019 · 81 comments
Economist (Boulder, CO)
We’re getting bomb cycloned to death out here in the Rockies with all the racial overtones one would expect in an election year.
Guido Malsh (Cincinnati)
According to 'the powers that be,' it's just another left-wing, deep state meteorological conspiracy led by Obama, the Clintons and Pelosi designed to subvert our democracy through their fallacy of climate change and global warming. Good luck with that.
Legendary Economist (Boulder, CO)
Yes, this is supported by carefully curated government data.
John Bacher (Not of This Earth)
@Legendary Economist Courtesy the sharpie-in-chief.
HR (Maine)
"...with heavy snow expected in northern New England and parts of Maine later in the week." Isn't Maine part of northern New England? Isn't it the most northern part?
Erik Frederiksen (Oakland, CA)
"a vast area of the United States was paralyzed by severe weather" From a 2012 TED Talk by NASA's former lead climate scientist James Hansen: "The Texas, Oklahoma, Mexico heatwave and drought last year, Moscow the year before and Europe in 2003, were all exceptional events, more than three standard deviations outside the norm. Fifty years ago, such anomalies covered only two- to three-tenths of one percent of the land area. In recent years, because of global warming, they now cover about 10 percent -- an increase by a factor of 25 to 50. So we can say with a high degree of confidence that the severe Texas and Moscow heatwaves were not natural; they were caused by global warming." The US has had a number of wake up calls: Hurricane Katrina and New Orleans, Sandy and NYC, Maria and PR, Harvey and Houston, Dorian and the Bahamas, etc etc. We saw what Sandy's storm surge did to lower Manhattan. The seas may rise higher than that this century and not go down for hundreds of thousands of years. The US slept through those wake up calls, but the front desk will keep trying with louder and louder calls for a very, very long time. If we wait until strings of category 6 hurricanes park themselves over major cities on top of meters of sea level rise it will be a little late.
melp (atlanta, ga)
"parades in danger in the northeast" - what about a headline that doesn't stir up everyone's anxiety?
Stevenz (Auckland)
I wish they would come up with a better term than bomb cyclone. It sounds glib and faintly juvenile. Because of that it doesn't really convey the seriousness of the situation. And, BTW, a storm that is unlike any that has hit the area since the 1960s is not unprecedented. OK, that's my pedantic quota for the day.
RNS (Piedmont Quebec Canada)
Time for the stable genius to get out his sharpie and fix this. Obviously, he has spent the last few weeks working full time on restoring everyone's right to say Happy Thanksgiving again.
charles (minnesota)
Kid down the street shoveled us out for 20 bucks. Money well spent. Now to get the car off the street ahead of the plow. I guess golf season is over.
RNS (Piedmont Quebec Canada)
@charles Your drives may not go as far and the greens may be a tad slow but golf season is never over.
Earthling (Earth)
@RNS Speaks like a true Canadian!
Erik Frederiksen (Oakland, CA)
Some people, including Trump, have pointed to snowstorms as evidence showing that scientists are wrong about global warming. So some education is in order. Warmer air contains more moisture, so some areas are seeing storms with heavier than usual snowfall, such as Boston in some of the last few years. But ice is melting all over the planet because the world is above average in temperature. The N hemisphere is above average, the S hemisphere is above average, the Arctic is way above average, the tropics are above average, the Antarctic is above average. We have thermometers analyzed by NASA, NOAA, the British Met Office, the Japanese, the Berkeley group. If you throw away every thermometer in the city, temperatures in the country show warming. Thermometers in the ground show warming, thermometers in the ocean show the ocean is warming, thermometers in balloons show warming, looking down from satellites they show warming. However, if you look at the snow and ice that care about temperature the most, we have less river ice than we used to, less lake ice, less seasonal snow cover, less seasonally frozen ground, less perennially frozen ground, we have smaller glaciers, we have shrinking ice sheets, we have loss of sea ice. All the big pieces of snow and ice which care about temperature are shrinking.
Erik Frederiksen (Oakland, CA)
@Erik Frederiksen The shrinking cryosphere is a concern for sea level rise and for global temperature because ice reflects heat and permafrost locks up more than twice the carbon currently in the atmosphere, and large sectors of each have either crossed or are near tipping points leading to irreversible and huge changes to our climate.
Marge Keller (Midwest)
Is there any part of the country that hasn't or isn't facing treacherous weather conditions? Geez - tornados, TWO major storm systems, hurricane-force winds, tons of heavy snow, power outages. A lot of folks will be lucky if they will able to open and heat up a can of Dignity Moore stew on Thanksgiving. Good luck and safe travels to everyone who is taking to the roads and air. I wish you all a wonderful Thanksgiving.
tony (mount vernon, wa)
@Marge Keller Northwest Washington State is sunny and clear!
Cynthia (Seattle)
Sunny in Seattle. But don’t think about moving here.
Sunny Day (Highland Lakes NJ)
@Marge Keller Northern New Jersey - all the bad stuff has been missing us - that could change of course but so far it has been good. It will be a little windy tomorrow but no big deal - the balloons are in NYC. We have had day time temperatures in the fifties with nice sunshine.
Allison (Richmond)
Canada celebrates Thanksgiving in October. We might consider rescheduling. It will make traveling less problematic and the Christmas shopping season will be more relaxed.
JLD (California)
I was in the Maritimes some year in the early 1990s for Canada’s Thanksgiving. Since then, I always thought it was a better date than ours. The onslaught of holiday ads starts right after Halloween anyway, if not before.
Girish Kotwal (Louisville, KY)
Stay home, stay warm and stay safe. Happy Thanksgiving to all. Appreciate what you have and preserve what you have.
DG (Idaho)
Lets all demand Trump move Thanksgiving to the last Thursday of October, it would get rid of all the weather problems.
Sunny Day (Highland Lakes NJ)
@DG Let's demand that Trump get us back into the Paris Agreement and do something about climate crisis. Then Thanksgiving can stay right where it is.
Molly Bloom (Tri State)
When I first moved to the tri-state area from the Canadian border, I would scoff at what was called a snowstorm. I seem to have acclimated to snowstorms here, now. I still miss how it seems to go “all quiet” during a snowfall. Can anyone explain this phenomena?
Bobbo (Anchorage)
@Molly Bloom - I'm guessing there are least two factors that explain the quiet. First, snow probably absorbs rather than reflects sound waves from traffic, etc. Second, most of the noise vehicles make is actually from their tires, not their engines, and if the roads are covered with snow that noise production is greatly reduced.
Dan Stackhouse (NYC)
I would think the amount of snow on the ground and in the air would absorb more sound. Also during a blizzard there's a lot less human and animal activity, so less sound being produced.
MDCooks8 (West of the Hudson)
Correction. Combustion engines produce most of the sound heard from vehicles, which is why these vehicle have “mufflers”. Electric cars in the other hand these engines do not produce a sufficient amount of a sound level, so for audible safety reasons, these car manufacturers have to produce or amplify the noise from these vehicle so pedestrians can hear an electric car approaching. Snow piled high enough on the sides of the road may muffle sound waves, and heavy snow that doesn’t melt off a hood of a car may also have muffling effect on the sound from engines.
Cary (Oregon)
About 6 inches of snow here at 3500 feet, with a couple more before it ends this evening. Keep it coming...
bobby g (naples)
The beauty of thick snow is walking thru it to get to your destination, invigorating with a sense of accomplishment. Remember delivering newspapers in Manhattan as a kid thru knee deep, and walking up Amsterdam ave moons later, no cars could drive thru, with coat open fueled by alcohol and a few party favors. Can't do that anymore. But when I lived in Maine gettin back home and gettin that wood stove going was a bit like life or death. Stay warm be safe!
Francine (St Louis)
I remember last March, when NYC schools were closed for snow accumulation that could have been cleared with a feather duster.
N. Smith (New York City)
Must admit to being a bit jealous of Minnesota right now. But then again, the last time a "bomb cyclone" hit NYC we had to do something we're loathe to do -- slow down. That said, Happy Thanksgiving! and drive (or walk) safely.
Nick Metrowsky (Longmont CO)
The storm ended here just about 24 hours ago. The sun is shining, it is a bit windy, and it is a toasty 19 degrees. I received just over 18 inches here. Officially Longmont received 14, but that measurement is taken north east of here. The city is plowing residential streets, a step they usually do when we get over a foot here. But, it still hard to get around. But, for those who did not shop, before tomorrow, they are out there now. Once you get to the main roads; you're fine, but side streets are still a mess. Denver International Airport is trying to get people out of here. It hasn't been easy, as the storm has made a mess everything northeast of here a mess. It is the Twin Cities turn. They finally did open I70 and I76 to the Kansas border. They also cleared the rock slide, just east of Idaho Springs which shut down I70, to the mountains, most of yesterday. The new storm, is starting to move into the state.Around here we will feel it Friday into Saturday. Now, they saying just a few inches. But, if the storm takes a similar path, as the last one, we could digging out more. It also could make getting back to Denver, interesting, on Sunday. By the way, Longmont was about 1.5 " below normal in liquid precipitation before this storm, we made up for it all in one night. Suffice it to say, what drought conditions exited in Colorado, they are gone now. By the way, we have not even started winter yet.
acd (MA)
What strikes me as a person who has lived in New England most of their life is how quickly we go from regular garb to winter garb. In a few hours time we bring out the boots, gloves, hats, snow shovels, salt, and the warmest coat you can find. And all that stuff isn't put away until April.
lou (MA)
@acd Recently in parts of New England we haven't stopped bringing wood for the stove until May. I don't really feel secure until the oaks break bud.
Peggy in NH (Live Free or Die)
@acd: In my part of New England northwestern NH), the wonderful plow-guy has already been here twice since 10-31 (I think). Cleats are on the Sorrel boots and my Greyhound's winter coat is on the hook.
Ronald Stone (Boca Raton)
Sure we have hurricanes once in a while but I wouldn’t trade living in South Florida for any of the mess that is happening up north.
Jean (Anjou)
@Ronald Stone Oh the weather outside is frightful, but the fire is so delightful, and since we’ve no place to go... Let it snow! let it snow! let it snow!
L (Minneapolis)
Personally I love snowstorms here. Everything is blanketed in a serene quiet, no one makes it in to work, the highway is empty, its a perfect excuse to have plenty of cider and hot chocolate and site by a nice fire. Last year I even saw people XC skiing down city roads. This place is for the snow bunnies #<3MN
Brian (Phoenix, AZ)
@L I lived in Mpls in the early 90s. 32 inches on Halloween of 1992!
J to the B (St. Paul)
@Brian I was there. Still am, as a matter of fact. Well, across the river, at least.
BigFootMN (Lost Lake, MN)
@Brian It was 1991, but who's counting? And, it wasn't just the snow, it was the freezing cold for several weeks (until Thanksgiving, at least) that had the snow and ice bonded to the roads and really made driving difficult.
Matt (Seattle, WA)
Always stay home for Thanksgiving. Anyone who voluntarily travels for Thankgiving is asking for pain.
CD (Chicago, IL)
@Matt More like painsgiving ?
Cynthia (Seattle)
Hah! No kidding. Seattle is its old wonderful self when all of the interlopers leave for the holidays. Why miss this by traveling with the masses to all points east?
tom harrison (seattle)
@Matt - Yeah, I woke up and my first thought was to go for a bike ride. Forty-seven degrees and bright sun is never bad for this time of year.
dairyfarmersdaughter (Washinton)
I lived north of the Twin Cities in the early 80s. I remember one Thanksgiving where I got up to three feet of snow. I simply put on my cross country skis and headed across the small town to my colleague's for dinner. I also stopped trying to travel long distances on major holidays years ago due to just the situations evolving this week.
Gregory Diedrich (Minneapolis)
Dear sirs, Bah! And humbug your weather analysis. Minneapolis is not being blanketed in heavy snow. In fact it is being lovingly decorated by a delicate layer of fluffy powder. I await your forthcoming correction.
Stevenz (Auckland)
@Gregory Diedrich Yes, "Minnesota blanketed by snow" is the ultimate dog bites man story.
Vin (Nyc)
Snowing in Minnesota in November? You don't say...
Zellickson (USA)
Just a little reminder of who's the boss, and it isn't the humans!
Sarah (Arlington, VA)
@Zellickson But the boss delegates, in this case to St. Peter.
T. Martin (NYC, MI, and everywhere in between)
Keen observation to keep in mind as we humans destroy the planet every minute of ever day.
Socrates (Downtown Verona. NJ)
We have a snowfall winner ! Well done, Minnesota !
BigFootMN (Lost Lake, MN)
@Socrates Gee, thanks, but I don't know if "winner" is the correct term, after spending the last four hours clearing snow and raking the roof (ice dams, don't cha know).
Lori Wilson (Etna, California)
I live in far northern California. We've got "only" 6 inches of snow at our house, but getting from work to home yesterday afternoon was an 1.5 hour, 20 mph, 26 mile whiteout of blowing snow and idiot drivers who think their Prius doesn't need chains to go over a mountain pass! I am very glad that I don't have to go back to work until Monday. It gives me several days to dig out the boulders of ice that the snow plows have piled in my driveway.
meritocracy now (Alaska)
@Lori Wilson Been driving A 2004 Prius since 2004. We don’t on chains for it but we do have good snow tires that we run in the winter. Of course the Prius only has 6.9 inches of clearance so if the snow is too deep it’s not going anywhere. With the front wheel drive it seems to pull through the snow we get without much difficulty. Stay safe!
Sarah (Arlington, VA)
@Lori Wilson Try the Washington D.C. area. With just a couple of inches of snow traffic comes to a standstill and schools in the burbs are closed. When I still lived in Berlin, Germany, schools didn't close when there was a foot of more of snow overnight and kids walked to school as usual.
tom harrison (seattle)
@Sarah - whoops, wrong video about couch sledding, wrong town. Let's try what is still on my bucketlist. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kiX3rBxKmUY&t=141s
JS (Minnetonka, MN)
I'd rather be a Red Pine (state tree) in Minnesota,surrounded by a November blizzard, than Governor of name-your-state.
MNGRRL (Mountain West)
I don't miss the Minneapolis winters at all. Moving feet of snow in a large, densely populated urban area is a nightmare. I remember in the winter of 2013-14 when the snow was to my waist in the back yard and there were towers 6 feet tall on either side of the driveway, sidewalks were tunnels and it just kept on snowing. The local paper printed a little award ribbon badge in the spring that said I survived the winter of 13-14. I still have it on my refrigerator door to remind me of why I left Minneapolis.
Susan (US)
@MNGRRL It's really not bad here today. We only got a few inches in the city, and it is melting quickly.
John Doe (Johnstown)
A grounded Underdog? This climate change really knows where to hit where it hurts.
William Perrigo (Germany (U.S. Citizen))
@John Doe — and years ago when the climate change consensus was revealed, the revealers said that by today snow would be a thing of the past. Assuming the CO2 increase is the true thermostat, we’d have even more snow now! Not less!
b fagan (chicago)
@William Perrigo - let's correct you there, William. One scientist in the UK said one thing about snow frequency in the UK declining, and the Independent ran a sensational headline based on a brief interview, where the headline was saying what that one scientist did not. So no scientists have said that snowfall would be gone by now. But there are groups who love to peddle that falsehood.
Arthur (AZ)
How do I know what the latest information is for this update?
N. Smith (New York City)
@Arthur You can always look at the NOAA weather map online.
Yosemite Sam (Crane Flat)
Ahhh Minnesnowta! I walked 3 miles through that stuff to Bryant Jr High!
Cerad (Mars Child Slave Colony 1)
@Yosemite Sam No doubt it was uphill both ways.
Yosemite Sam (Crane Flat)
@Cerad You bet yer boots it was! The hill on 42nd was an unholy terror I tell you what, then crossing over the I-35 was treacherous!
b fagan (chicago)
@Yosemite Sam - with wolves all the way. Happy Thanksgiving, all.
Gregory Diedrich (Minneapolis)
I'm loving Minneapolis this morning.
Laura A (Minneapolis)
Likewise--it's wonderful.
BigFootMN (Lost Lake, MN)
@Gregory Diedrich Sorry, but I am hating it. My brain froze many years ago and I became enmeshed in the culture in MN. But, after 70+ years, I have really had enough, especially when we get this much before Thanksgiving. Daughter had it right when she moved East many years ago - she said winter doesn't have to be so bad. The first year she was gone she came back at Christmas and had been reminiscing about the snow. After three days, she was ready to go back. Snow was so high we couldn't see the cars coming when trying to get out of the drive.
Johnny’s (Portage WI)
I’m traveling from central Wisconsin to the twin cities. Wisconsin and Minnesota both have 511 websites which have great and current information about road conditions. Also, they have multiple cameras covering major highways and freeways. Good luck on your Thanksgiving travels!
yessar (canada)
It would be cool in articles such as these if you guys included more photos or videos. I live where the weather is really consistent and doesn't fluctuate much, so it's kind of hard putting it into perspective.
David (North Vancouver, BC Canada)
Canadians also celebrate Thanksgiving. But our holiday falls on the second Monday of October. I don't remember our Thanksgiving being ruined by blizzards or wind storms, and our climate can be considerably harsher than yours. My point? Why not join us in celebrating Thanksgiving on the second Monday of October. You'd avoid all that airport chaos we're watching right now. Worth considering, eh?
Grand Ma (Mn)
I agree. I was once fortunate enough to be in Vancouver for Canada’s Thanksgiving. Ours is too close to Christmas.
John (Texas)
@David You must be the guy that Trump said wanted to rename Thanksgiving! (OK, changing the date isn't renaming, but Trump was never good with the 'small' details.). And being Canadian, you truly are un-American. I can't believe it, one of Trump's statement from a campaign ralley might actually be true!! What other diabolical schemes for the destruction if America do you have up the sleeves of your parka? Changing us over to the metric system; providing free universal health care; and showing tolerance to foreigners!! You Canadians better watch out.!! Trump might order up another War of 1812, and with bold strokes of a black sharpie, direct our Continent Army armored & airborne divisions to roll across your western plains, seizing all your oil in Alberta (just to protect it!), cutting down all the maple trees they find, and once again exterminating all beavers!!
tom harrison (seattle)
@David - Here in Seattle we celebrate Thanksgiving on the Summer Solstice.
Juker (NYC)
Add snow tires to the I am thankful for list
Marge Keller (Midwest)
@Juker AND a vehicle with 4-wheel drive in case those snow tires are looking a little balding.