Review: In ‘Love in Hate Nation,’ the Revolution Will Not Be Scrutinized

Nov 19, 2019 · 11 comments
Freddie (New York NY)
Guess discrediting a person (not the content) to make them unreliable didn't start after 2016 election with Jack Viertel being a bully when Rocco's Big River book didn't get move-it reviews. (Jesse Green wasn't at NYT yet, so targeting his Encores qualifications came later.) Many coincidences - Ira Levin would say "Oh, come on." In school, they said first rule out anything that should be easy to rule out. So strangely, my Godspell investment, a show Jen Tepper worked on, ran events, was logged Feb 15 2011, $ and forms filled out. The first 3 years of cyberstalking started Feb 20 2011 by Encores videog. Jon Frank, then odd posts to me by a "Glitter" 2 am Feb 21 2011 like on Talkin Bway."you should chill, maybe they should chill, and as Rose Nylund said: etc"- "Chill" in 2011 suggested Jen -or someone pretending to be Jen. Rule out if she was aware of the 2011-13 stalking while I'm an investor seeing her at events = easy to rule out if not true, - Ask Jen - yes or no. "No, Fred, I'm not " if true, would take Jen at most a minute. Yet Jack Viertel had hours Jan.2019 (I guess not busy Call Me Madam prep) to write my spouse pages of detail why Freddie's crazy to think Jen has time to ever think about Freddie. Tradition of producing handed down?
Freddie (New York NY)
This one was close to perfect in a different-era "Closer Than Ever" revue way. I never got why no one ever picked it up, shuffled the songs a little so it could be sung eight times a week, and sat it down. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/arts/music/17icon.html These days, audiences are accepting of 65-minute shows, where it might not have gone over in 2008 yet for a profitable run. Or are the economics of off-Broadway musicals just not workable for something like this to make a profit?
Freddie (New York NY)
I was told by a former producer type in the building who seems to know such things there was, as a general rule, a real reluctance in theater back then (maybe still) to do a commercial run of an off-Broadway revue that was dependent on a specific person being in the cast (in that case, Joe Iconis himself was integral). It certainly limits ability to have more than the one production if the revue became a hit - so hard to maximize the project's financial upside when finding investors. He said he's pretty sure Joe Iconis lives in our complex. (meaning our building complex; "complex" was not a Jen Tepper blacklist reference, LOL). I've seen him on the block, but it feels like everyone's been on this block. And since "Little Shop" opened down the street, it's become starry as all get out here.
Freddie (New York NY)
It just does seem that the theater is behind the rest of the country on human rights, though. There was a "Big City" article on the Rockettes last year, who in effect got by for decades on a need for the look being the same for all the Rockettes, for example. (even for people who report things to Equity; they essentially feel: go prove it was because of that). So much in live theater employment and use of talent is so subjective, no objective standards, not based on who's most qualified but who's right subjectively for the look onstage or whatever - that producers like Jen and the Viertels just feel Human Rights rules are for other people, not theater. Maybe the correction is drastic the last few years, though, with a non-Asian Tuptim getting "yellowface" screamed while she performs like seems to be a reaction as if the actress cast herself.) I don't know why Jen and the Viertels think smear campaigns are OK on social media, but they do. And here since 2017, ugly social media stuff is now being used even on their critics. It was only Viertel and Tepper shows until June 2019, then others caught onto this odious tactic, like the Hugh Jackman show at the bGarden and the Dave Chappelle show this summer. They clearly feel human rights laws like retaliation, or even just plain decency to human beings, just don't apply and it seems to be knee jerk. These liberals jumped on the Trump bandwagon.
Freddie (New York NY)
Just a thought related to that: Maybe that's an advance that's not talked about enough, that we've made in this inclusion era for theater; Now millennial white non-disabled female producers can oppress artists just like the rich older white producers do. It's something.
Freddie (New York NY)
This one was close to perfect in a different-era "Closer Than Ever" revue way. I never got why no one ever picked it up, shuffled the songs a little so it could be sung eight times a week, and sat it down. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/17/arts/music/17icon.html These days, audiences are accepting of 65-minute shows, where it might not have gone over in 2008 yet for a profitable run. Or are the economics of off-Broadway musicals just not workable for something like this to make a profit?
Katie (St. Paul)
So disappointed to see such a negative and, frankly, inaccurate review. They literally list 4 different causes before claiming that the girls don't have a cause to fight for. I have to question whether the reviewer truly watched the show, or if they're simply parroting the views of the show's bigoted antagonist. I wonder if their causes would've been more 'believable' had all of the characters been straight white cis men. Also interesting that they describe Kitty as 'queer' instead of transgender (there's another cause right there!) and don't mention her storyline or the fact that she's also portrayed by a trans actress. Writing this show off as having no message or cause perpetuates the very racism, homophobia, sexism, and transmisogyny that this show speaks out against. These were urgent issues in the 60's, and they're urgent problems today. This show isn't going to solve them, but it's sure doing more than this ignorant review is doing. It is indeed disappointing, but no real surprise, that a musical with easily one of the most diverse casts and buckets of political heat is being treated with so much undue scrutiny (the protagonist isn't 'weird' enough?!?). if this show flops in favor of blatantly transmisogynist shows like Tootsie, it will only give bigotry a leg up.
Freddie (New York NY)
Uh oh, it feels like Jen Tepper has brought her patented brand of "destroy the human being's character rather than address the content" shilling (which she lends out to her boss' brother at Encores every single show since 2017 when there's not a rave) to my beloved favorite NJ theater - the only one which says it's near the train and IS actually near the train. (Paper Mill also is near distance-wise from the Millburn station, but it's easy to get lost on that walk unless a crowd is walking with you, which they always are AFTER the show, though. NJ Rep in Long Branch and George Street in New Brunswick also do such great work, but they're only a walk from the train for in-shape under 40s; plan on a cab but go enjoy.) But why is this great theater having this producer's hate tactics associated with it? She even tried to aim it at the Tonys show for a small faux pas, but luckily the gifted Joe Icnois took the high road while the producers wallowed in social media mud. Took great scouting talent for Jen Tepper to supposedly discover Joe Iconis after everyone else had been cheering this gifted artist, and with his group already having a Times mega-rave in hand from 2008!
Freddie (New York NY)
I forgot to mention the McCarter, always win a par with NYC, but always needs leaving from NYC way early: The Princeton station is right there, even I can walk it without getting ,lost. But the cutely-named "Dinky" Train from Princeton Junction to Princeton usually does not wait if your train from NYC runs late, though. (Apparently, other things go on at Princeton University besides first-class theater. The producer who guided "Hadestown" so carefully was there for years and her successors never let it falter. But if you're early, once you've toured the college once, there's nothing to do but walk around the nice bodega and eat.).
Richard Biever (State College, PA)
@Katie Two things: 1. A straight, white, cis man wrote the show. Every word and note. Perhaps a collaborator? 2. Tootsie is closing. It was a flop.
Rick (Summit)
Saw Love in Hate Nation last week and thoroughly enjoyed it. The complexity of 60s tropes, music, costuming and the performances of the actresses was excellent. Interesting that one of the actresses was played by a trans woman and yet that was referenced only in passing as if it were too commonplace to mention. Three Rivers is a comfortable viewing space and I wouldn’t be surprised to see this play on Broadway next year with a larger theater and ticket price.