If everyone reading this column donated a few dollars to the fundraiser at the bottom of the page we could probably move Mr Trudeau into first place on his fundraiser and raise money for a good cause at the same time. There is a place for comments when you donate so you could mention being a nyt crossword fan.
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I hate it when comment ideas come too late, but when I went back to look at yesterday's column, it struck me that the handbag in the picture looked more like an ASPERSE.
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??What happened to my comment?
I actually made one this morning. I think.
This Monday puzzle was a "meh" for me. I liked the theme but it was a bit too trivia heavy for my taste.
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Well that's it for Andrew from Ottawa on Jeopardy! Can anyone tell me, have they relaxed the rule about having to reply in the form of a question? The last two answers by the champion were definitely not in the form of a question, yet they were accepted. Just wondering...
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@Andrew, I've noticed this happening quite often in the past few months. They must have softened that rule which used to be rigidly enforced.
Well, based on the first of the four repeated themers of this puzzle and the 1999 Gorski puzzle, I hereby dub this scandal DOGGYGATE.
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@Steve L
I'm with you, but scandals just ain't what they used to be!
@Steve L, isn't a STILE a kind of a GATE?
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Well I have really no idea why so much vitriol has been poured upon this poor puzzle. Are experienced solvers somehow supposed to "enjoy" Mondays, with their modest themes, no gimmicks and soft fill? I just tackle them to gauge the rate at which my brain is deteriorating with age. I was pleased that my solve-time was midway between my all-time best and average. There were no serious Naticks - and names were guessable "real" names, not HIP-HOP mumbo-jumbo.
As to plagiarism, the recent TED radio hour on plagiarism in modern music might set some context:
https://www.npr.org/programs/ted-radio-hour/?showDate=2019-11-15
The accusation by Rich Parker below deserves some attention, but bear in mind that the quoted example, which has a "back" gimmick, may well have evolved independently ["Convergent Evolution"]. How many phrases that involve animals have "back" in the middle?
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@NICE CUPPA
Agree with you about Monday. It’s Monday! Kind of like complaining that a fast-food cheeseburger didn’t live up to your expectations.
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I had no problem with this puzzle, but was completely confused by Sunday's 27A "Number of people in an office?" DENTIST. It was only as I was asking for an explanation today that I saw it as "numb-er," someone who makes people numb. VERY tricky. I got it with the crosswords, but it totally escaped me until just now.
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@BW Ditto, thanks for sharing. My BiL is a dentist to boot, oh boy.
Well....
I did a little more research - going back through Alan's previous puzzles and I found this:
Alan's puzzle from July 17 2014:
https://www.xwordinfo.com/Crossword?date=7/17/2014
And this puzzle by Greg Staples from Thursday, Aug. 17, 2000:
https://www.xwordinfo.com/Crossword?date=8/17/2000&g=33&d=A
Four identical theme answers in each of them.
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@Rich in Atlanta
This is pretty outrageous! I don't see any way to avoid a plagiarism charge on this one. What is even more audacious is that one of the theme clues involves PIGGY BACK which was in Liz Gorski's puzzle and became PIGGY BANK in this one. I was on the fence about today's puzzle, but this research is hard to argue with. Great work, Rich!
@Rich in Atlanta
That does make the case against inadvertence more compelling. Interesting to read Jeff’s 2014 puzzle comments regarding his internal debate about whether to “correct” the themers in the Xwordinfo database to make them more readily intelligible. Had he done so, your sleuthing would have been made more difficult.
I wonder if there are other themers that could have been used to execute this theme concept. Haven’t yet thought it through enough, but it at least *seems* that there would have been.
Assuming they’d have to be 9 or 12 letters, there aren’t many other compelling themers that I could come up with: PAPER (REPAP) BOOK, HARD (DRAH) BOOKS, HORSE (ESROH) RIDE, HATCH (HCTAH) CARS, BRUSH (HSURB) PITCHES, CALL (LLAC) AUDITION, SWITCH (HCTIWS) TRAILS. None of those is great and some rely on a plural form that might disqualify them from consideration. There may be some other obvious choices that I’ve overlooked. Not yet convinced that this was intentional cribbing, but it certainly doesn’t look good.
Wow did I ever hate this puzzle! So much subpar fill - crosswordese, excessive outdated trivia, and Naticks. This was thoroughly unpleasant and the only puzzle in recent memory where I audibly groaned, multiple times.
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Did. Not. Like. This. Puzzle. My worst Monday in a long time. Worst of all, I thought I had LUANDA wrong, but it was the arctic explorer PEARY I had wrong (YAP AT, not YAK AT). I spent probably 10 minutes on that alone. But, my streak remains alive. I actually knew LE CAR because my roommate from school had one. It was always KITTY not CATTY CORNER for me growing up. I'd be interested in the regional breakdown of the various commentators and their preference.
I'll be glad for Tuesday's puzzle, I hope.
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@PK
It *is* KITTY plus it should be CORNERED as well.
@PK I only came up with CATTY CORNER because I have a friend near the Mason-Dixon who says that. Everyone else I know says KITTY CORNER.
Thank you
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5 squares where people's names cross in today's grid (not counting the names of places and gimmes like ABEL) made for a slightly slower Monday solve. Even disregarding the ambiguous theme and the apparent similarity to a past puzzle, wasn't a fan of this one.
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Catty-corner, or kitty-corner or cater-corner has an interesting etymology. https://www.etymonline.com/word/catty-cornered
Also, I once went to Mass with a Catholic girlfriend and remarked to her that I would catch on fire if the priest aspersed me with his aspergillum. She never took me back, and this usage of "asperse" is the one I am more familiar with, although it was a pretty easy back-connection from aspersion.
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@Puzzledog
Forgive us our aspersions, as we asperse those who tressperse against us...
Did I get that right?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvFjvCn_Ka4
Asparagus in the church, specially in Easter time
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I wrote the comment below for Another Blog, where a charge of plagiarism was leveled because this puzzle, evidently, is very, very similar to an earlier puzzle in the NYT. I wasn't going to post my comment here, but I used the F3 function and found out that the same accusation has been made here by at least 1 person. So here is my "take" as a newbie [co]constructor of xwords myself:
HOW THE HELL IS A CONSTRUCTOR SUPPOSED TO BE FAMILIAR WITH EVERY CROSSWORD PUZZLE THAT'S EVER BEEN PUBLISHED SINCE THE DAWN OF TIME???? Why it's enough to make any potential puzzle constructor take up underwater basket weaving instead.
In fact, when I saw the theme -- but before I came to the blog -- I was thinking: this is such a "natural" for a crossword theme that it's amazing that no one's thought of it before. Now I find out that someone had.
I thought the puzzle was smooth and pleasant -- with one unMonday-ish word: ASPERSE. I was glad it was there.
I have never said "kitty-corner". I have always said CATTY-CORNER as in: "This puzzle square is CATTY-CORNER to that puzzle square. But I've always pronounced it CAT-uh-corner. FWIW.
I'm sure your duplication was unintentional, Alan, and that you don't deserve to be pilloried for it.
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@Nancy
100% agreed. Steve F. recently published a puzzle in AVCX with DOWNWARD DOG theme, and the very same theme (with similar if not the same themers) appeared in a NYT XWP the next week. It seems to happen with some frequency, as Jeff Chen often notes. Not plagiarism, just predictable happenstance given the nature of the beast.
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@Puzzlemucker
You can’t check every puzzle that’s ever existed, but you can check NYT puzzles very easily on xwordinfo.com. If you looked up the three clues that are identical in the other puzzle, you’d notice that they were all in the same puzzle. And you’d also see that the last themer is one letter off if you went to the 1999 puzzle file.
It’s called due diligence, and if the constructor didn’t catch it, the editors should have.
I wouldn’t go so far as to call it plagiarism, but it should have been rejected, and then another publication could have run it.
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@Steve L
I guess it's more interesting to me than a problem. Twenty years seems a long enough interval for themers to be repeated, at least inadvertently and especially in an early week puzzle. But my main point was to agree with @Nancy that it's not plagiarism.
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Nice, fast puzzle. I held off on catty v. kitty until I got all the crosses as I wasn't sure which way it would go, but still, 20 min. was, I think, a record for me. I'll claim it as one anyway!
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I must have solved Liz's puzzle twenty years ago, and I 'll bet I enjoyed it as much as I enjoyed Alan's version. Twenty years is plenty of time between similar themes. So, I say, double the pleasure, double the fun!
(However, I'll never forget Liz' Guggenheim puzzle even a hundred years from now.)
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My five favorite clues from last week
(In order of appearance):
1. Island to which one is able to return? (4)
2. Provider of a lifeline (4)
3. It makes stealing pay off (4)(3)
4. Number of people in an office? (7)
5. Sticks together? (4)
ELBA
PALM
LATE TAG
DENTIST
NEST
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@Lewis Can you explain the fourth one, please?
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This clue was an entry in yesterday’s puzzle. Numb-er is one who numbs.
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@Bojan - I go to the dentist's office and the dentists numbs me before tormenting me. The dentist is a number in an office.
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Sometimes I surprise myself, sometimes I put my keys in the fridge..... today, Monday, was harder to me than many other days, and reading the comments, (merrily discussing kitty or catty and such) I am the only one! My admiration for how the puzzles visit different wheelhouses; today my wheelhouse remained untouched. Had to look up several! On a Monday! Cultivating humility. In my defense - no, humility- there were 10 persons names, 7 place names ( did I even counted correctly?) and several expression I didn’t know ( CATTYCORNER, ENAMOUR,LECAR,ONEPIN). I feel like a pet bird in a dodgy bag. TIL to know my limitations.
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@Laura rodrigues In london I was also slower than average. Forgot completely about LECAR, and I must cast aspersions on the verb form ASPERSE (If only because it made me feel dopey this morning!).
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@Laura rodrigues In london ,
The American names in today's puzzle would not be widely known outside the U.S. ONEPIN is from tenpin bowling, not as popular in the UK. I've never heard of LECAR. Don't feel bad.
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@Laura rodrigues In london This was a TERRIBLE Monday puzzle - you're not the only one!! I have zero idea who Dinah Shore or Dinah Washington are, and to cross that with Gian Carlo Menotti (who I've also never heard of)??? 'Ague' crossed with 'Aegis'?? What on earth. There's too much old trivia in this puzzle to make it solvable for anyone under 50. This felt like a pre-Shortz puzzle in the worst way. Hopefully tomorrow's is better!
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This is identical to Liz Gorski's 1999 puzzle. It borders on plagiarism, sadly.
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@Marcia l Date of the Gorski puzzle, please?
@Don Topaz - Tuesday Nov. 30, 1999 Eizabeth C. Gorski puzzle uses four themers that differ by one letter (piggy bank / piggy back) from the four themers today. The grid layout and the crossers are all different.
I really dislike the use of the word plagiarism in cases like this, where thinking of a unifying idea, limiting yourself to phrases in the language with symmetrical letter counts, results in a similar set of theme entries. I'd prefer the word to be used for cases where the grid, theme and even clues have been cribbed.
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@David Connell - Continuing that thought, now that I've read Rex Parker's screed of the day, and seen all his minions jumping with knives in their hands as they do daily, I propose a consideration of the puzzles shown here:
https://www.xwordinfo.com/Misenko
or a read of this article about Timothy Parker:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/a-plagiarism-scandal-is-unfolding-in-the-crossword-world/
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Deb says "If, on the other hand, the theme is “double the last letter and add a Y,” the set is consistent." But what bothers me is that doesn't work for BULL. The others are all three-letter words.
Surely he could have found another entry that works. Henny Penny or Youngman. Nitty gritty. Cubby hole. Nothing great there, but I bet someone else will come up with something that would work.
There's also a bird entry that works, the second part of which would be Twister.
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Go to your room, ad abs.
Smooth solve and a decent theme. My only hold up was forgetting PEARY with the ambiguous YA_AT crossing. Had to run the alphabet to finally remember that. That in turn reminded me of seeing my step-grandson in a high school performance of 'The Explorers Club' a couple of years ago. Very enjoyable play, with the highlight being the character who claims to have been the first to reach the 'east pole.'
But then... did my usual clue history search on Xword. Checked CATTYCORNER because it seems a bit uncommon. Only appeared twice before. Then wondered about BULLYPULPIT. Only appeared once, but one of those was in the same puzzle that had CATTYCORNER - a Tuesday, November 30, 1999 puzzle by Liz Gorski. So I looked more closely at that puzzle and...
The four themers in that puzzle were exactly the same as the theme answers in today's puzzle. Have never encountered that before and was more than a bit surprised. Not sure what to say about that. Is it at all possible that Alan and Will were not aware of that?
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@Rich in Atlanta
I had to check out that old puzzle. It does use PIGGY BA(c)K instead of BANK, but it's still weird.
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here’s the link to the Gorski puzz from xwordinfo:
https://www.xwordinfo.com/Crossword?date=11/30/1999
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@ad absurdum Doh. Good catch - I didn't notice that.
Coulda sworn the YAPAT were neighbors of the Inuit.
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@Mike R
I'll bet you think 'Inuit' is pronounced "I knew it"
I had never heard the expression "catty corner" before, as, at least where I live in Canada we only say "kitty corner." I'm already on the lookout for American spellings of words, but was surprised to learn about the slight variant of this expression, which seems to trend along regional lines, as described here: https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/kitty-corner-or-catty-corner
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@Clare Barrowman
And they say Facebook is a waste of time! That map was created based on results from a Facebook survey run by “Grammar Girl.” Although based on a small sample size, Canadians appear to be unified behind CATTY. Except . . . one KITTY holdout in the Ottawa area. @Andrew, could that be you?
@Puzzlemucker
I got my KITTY and my CATTY mixed up. I’m going out to the DOGGY house, which is CATER corner from here.
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@Clare Barrowman
I, raised just south of the Mason-Dixon line, say catty-, as the map predicts. My N.Y. husband says kitty- although he says he can't really remember hearing the term much at all. He will say something is "diagonally across" which is the most unwhimsical thing I've ever heard.
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I liked the tightness of the theme -- the only other possible theme answer I could think of is PUPPY LOVE. And I liked the final-A mini-theme (OMEGA, TASMANIA, LUANDA, AGUA, DOGMA, and YORBA).
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@Lewis
Kinda feeble, I came up with BATTY UNCLE/ AUNT. There just don't seem to be good phrases starting with BATTY (which surprised me).
With a lot more stretch,we could get to CYGNETTY WEAVER... if that isn't too Alien...
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LETTER BOXED THREAD
Two solutions found:
(1) M - H (6), H - Y (9) ... 15
(2) B - H (8), H - Y (6) ... 14
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@Mari
Solution number 2 for me.
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@Mari
I forgot.... YESTERDAY's SOLUTIONS:
CHAPEAU UNBLOCKED
DOCKHAND DUPABLE
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@Mari
Don't forget UNLOCKABLE EPHOD!
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Simple, cute Monday puzzle. I didn't know the expression BULLY PULPIT, so found it interesting to read about afterwards with the Teddy Roosevelt connection.
Deb, no one could enter ties @6D if they did the across clues first.
Not boring at all IMO.
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SPELLING BEE GRID
Nov 18 2019
W E G H I L T
WORDS: 27, POINTS: 106, PANAGRAMS: 1
L x 1
T x 7
W x 19
4L x 13
5L x 7
6L x 3
7L x 2
8L x 1
11L x 1
4 5 6 7 8 11 Tot
L - - - - - 1 1
T 3 2 1 - 1 - 7
W 10 5 2 2 - - 19
Tot 13 7 3 2 1 1 27
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@Mari An unusual Bee today, short and sweet. At least 3 words that could be regarded as archaic-ish, and one Britishism. 2 words that are exclamations, as the 'wh' sounds lend itself to these. The Panagram starts with the 12th letter of the alphabet and is a long compound word. There is a second possible Panagram with the same root-word, but it was not accepted.
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@Mari No WILLET? It's not an uncommon bird. And no WIGLET?
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@Mari pangram is a boxing division as well as an adjective describing someone not serious or unqualified. Time of day plus adverb form of that word. British term meaning quaint, which is also one letter shorter than a sound birds make and an action social media posters perform (also a word today). An archaic word I know of as a ghost.
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SPELLING BEE
27 words, 106 points, 1 pangram
4 5 6 7 8 11 Tot
L - - - - - 1 1
T 3 2 1 - 1 - 7
W 10 5 2 2 - - 19
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@x Apologies x - looks like we posted the grid simultaneously today. Thanks for posting!
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What an boring old-fashioned puzzle with tons of crosswordese. The fill is boring and as Deb notes, you really have to stretch to make the theme even consistent. Disappointing, especially after a brutally bad Sunday puzzle.
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@Garrett
I really enjoyed the Sunday puzzle, but this one was bit rough for a Monday, I thought so. I had fun, I did it, but it seemed choppy. It felt as though it had been put together hastily. Still, better than I could do, I'm sure!
I grew up as an unwavering believer in all things American. Whatever the topic of our childhood round tables would turn to, I could easily revert to my "They're Number One!" card. You guys had it all - tallest buildings, mightiest fighter jets, biggest movie productions. You had Michael Jordan.
It all came crushing down in 1986, when I read not in one, not in two, but in six different local papers, written in two different alphabets, three languages and with at least six editorial opinions that the grandest of the grandest has happened. The mighty USA has decided to start importing... Yugo?!
We owned one at the time, as did most everybody else. The best, and probably the only good thing about that car was that it rhymed with "dugo". So, whenever one was spotted on the side of the road, with smoke coming out from underneath the hood (not even a thick smoke, mind you, it couldn't manage even that), we would look at it pointedly, shake our heads in disapproval and say "Yugo, Yugo nećeš dugo" (You won't last long). While it was an accurate technical assessment, it was also a thinly veiled sentiment held in the western parts of the same-named country about its political future.
Today I am less shocked to learn that you have actually imported two out of three cars my family used to own and promptly renamed it from "5" to LECAR. (I guess if Yugo were French, it would have been LEWRECK). Now someone please tell me that you had Renault 4, as well, preferably as LECULT.
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@Bojan
First, I have to say I'm French and married to a Serbian woman, where the Yugos were built. 40 years later, there are still many, many YUGOS on the road in all of Ex-Yugoslavia. The LeCar, Renault 5 was unreliable and rusts just looking at water. The big problem with both these cars was a complete lack of servicing dealers; every time something went wrong, no mechanics, no parts. They were no worse or better than many American cars of the day, which had many servicing areas. Right around the same time period, many Peugeot diesel cars were sold to the New York Taxi companies; they did great because 1, Diesel engines are inherently solid, two, there was a service network. Having said all that , what does INRE mean?
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@Bojan
At least we never imported the Trabant😂
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@Jean louis LONNE I think INRE is "IN REgard to", but I'm just guessing wildly here
@ColoradoZ, true you get some credit for that :-)
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I could rattle off a lot of cat puns, but that'd be quite a meowthful.
(But I'm feline fine!)
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@Mike
Coffee anyone?
@Mike
Feline purrfectly fine despite the cat nip, I assume.
Litterally...
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Nice for a Monday puzzle. Seemed to have a lot of people's names and places.
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Maybe not more A words than normal, but it seemed like it to me.
Bunch I never heard of: AEGIS cross with AGUE. AGUA cross with AGEE. Lesson learned: whenever you got A words crossing, the cross is a G... (okay, I knew AGEE and AGUA).
I knew how to spell ANN but not LESLEY.
ASPERSE, ABEL, ALBEE, ARNIE, oh my!
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Enjoyed the Michigan references. While Erie is common, Ann Arbor is a rare show.
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Making up words and having obscure boomer proper nouns cross yet more boomer proper nouns. Monday? More like BoomerDAY!
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I had an eERIE sense of deja vu in the SE corner.
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DOGMA, Edward ALBEE, and a reminder that we the people could actually “protest” to display our outrage should we choose to do so. Nothing to ASPERSE for this CAT.
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When I read "Prominent position from which to p...ate," for a split second, I thought it was going to say "Prominent position from which to procreate."
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@Stephanie
That might have suited some version of 17A perhaps.
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Simmer down, you two. You’ll earn a TSK for your frisk...
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@Stephanie
Could be an excellent “Times after Dark” Xword clue/entry: “Prominent position from which to pontificate or procreate” / MISSIONARY
(sorry to wake you, emus).
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Either I’m getting better or this was a really easy one.
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Knitting Nana,
I'd go with "both."
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Started out way easy, and, yes, maybe a little boring. But it got more interesting after the first few clues. I thought it was cute, a regular Monday.
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Holy Moley!
"An abbreviation for abbreviation" he TSKED.
Finishing today's puzzle, all I could see was OREO DOGGY BAGS. Treats taken home from a crossword constructor's party night?
Speaking of party nights, Peter SELLERS suggested another theme possibility: BIRDY NUMNUM.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ajMqhpCBPAY
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I don’t mind a straightforward Monday. I do mind a boring Monday. Dusty, musty fill. Yawn.
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Sorry it didn't tickle your jimmies. #firstworldproblems
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Perhaps for a later-in-the-week puzzle, 37A could have been clued as "Candidate for worst car of the millenium", since I believe it was a contender for that title in a contest the Car Talk guys (Tom and Ray) ran on their popular NPR show years ago. I think it ultimately lost out to the Yugo, but it was definitely in the running.
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In the running for the title, that is. As a contender, the car itself was probably *not* running.
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@RichardZ
I'm thinking LE CAR must have annoyed the heck out of Matt Bai.
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Guy goes into a parts store and asks, "Can I have a gas cap for a Le Car?"
Parts guy thinks about it for a second and answers, "Sure, that's fair.
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Caught on to the theme after two, and it all fell together in short order. Which is to say, a good Monday puzzle.
I like how Deb lists animals, children, and humans as three distinct and apparently non-overlapping classes of beings.
I don't know why, but that reminded me of this clip from the British panel game show, Would I Lie to You? (I think the game format is reasonably self-explanatory.)
https://youtu.be/fODSl7NEsSk
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Contradicting the Herring Maven: “Children are just like real people, only smaller”
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@Alan J
Loved the link. Really made me smile!
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@Alan J - hilarious link - never heard of that show. The ironic thing is that the weatherman who doesn't know sheep from lambs is named "Schafernacker" = "Shepherd's Acre".
After a huge binge of Only Connect back in September (which I had only discovered then) - now I feel like another binge is coming on!
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I get bull headed about a NY Times puzzle, doggedly going through every clue until it’s solved. Will I let anything interrupt me? When pigs fly! And when I’m finished, I smile like the cat that ate the canary.
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Fairly quick puzzle, no surprises. As mentioned earlier, I've heard both catty- and kitty-corner, and there are other variants as well:
https://www.quickanddirtytips.com/education/grammar/kitty-corner-or-catty-corner
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The NYT has an American accent quiz which features that question in it: kitty corner, catty corner, kitty wampus(?) and others. It's a really fun quiz to try with relatives or friends from out of town. It tells you the three areas of the country that your accent most closely matches. Mine was: where I was born/where my dad grew up, where I grew up, and where my mom grew up. Crazy accurate stuff
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@Tyler D.
I remember it! It came out a few years back and I took it. I’ve lived all over the country and it still narrowed me down right down to my hometown. When I looked at the analysis later, “kitty corner” had evidently been one of the dead giveaways.
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Every time I take it, it puts me somewhere in California -- Oakland or nearby. I've never lived in California. Several of the answers I had a hard time answering because I said it one way growing up but say it differently now ("drinking fountain" vs. "water fountain", for example). But it's kitty corner all the way for me!
My expectations for Mondays are (1) straightforward clues and (2) not much else. This puzzle met that. Throwing in a few animals in common phrases falls a little short of cuteness for me, but whatever. It's possible my football team is trailing as reflected by my FOWL mood.
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@Liane
The NCAA ranking of my team runs in direct proportion to my solve time. Even if I’m solving during time-outs and get sidelined by yelling instructions at the refs as to alternate suggested use of their flags on FOWLly called FOWLS.
(A Georgia Tech fan?)
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I always said kitty corner. Looks like it's about even
https://writingexplained.org/kitty-corner-vs-catty-corner-difference
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And in Missouri they say cattywampus. a variant of catawampus, which is dialect for cater corner (the origin of kitty and catty).
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/catawampus
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@Barry Ancona
The Conway High School team name is Wampus Cats.
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@Barry Ancona
Except that cattywampus often refers to something that is askew or "all messed up", rather than being placed at diagonal corners.
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Less than a minute behind my best. Seemed like a lot of Ys in this puzzle.
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@Mr. Mark
I wonder Y! :-)
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Don’t get Ys! :-)
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Grade school poetry:
YY U R
YY U B
I C U R
YY 4 me
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