Hong Kong Protests Put N.B.A. on Edge in China

A tweet from the Houston Rockets general manager prompted a backlash in China, making things uncomfortable for a league used to its players and representatives speaking out on politics.

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  1. Time to boycott Brooklyn Nets? Even better, how do we take/ force ownership back from Tsai? At this point, there's not much common or harmony left between us and China. Time to really disengage.

  2. The Nets’ owner is Taiwanese, not Chinese. That’s an important difference in this conversation. But I share your sentiment, which is that I’d prefer that no business, including the NBA, voluntarily comply with Chinese censorship for money.

  3. @Brian Mr. Tsai is the executive chairman of the company Alibaba. Look it up.

  4. @Brian But he's parroting the Chinese line.....What's the difference?

  5. With courageous coaches like Greg Popovich and Steve Kerr who are never afraid to take a stand against injustice, I expect we will see more of these sentiments expressed. Good. Time to put morality over profits.

  6. we haven't heard a peep from Kerr or Popovich yet. I expect we won't and, if we don't, we' ll know what their priorities are.

  7. @Evan You mean, "my morality over your profits." Subtle but meaningful distinction.

  8. @Evan I have a suspicion that the NBA preemptively warned Pop and Kerr not to say a word about this situation. Wouldn't want to hurt an investor's feelings. The fact that they actually have been silent, they must have put some serious threat down.

  9. Televised NBA games feature a commercial that tries to inform the public of the NBA community work and the good that comes from its activities. In this instance, the NBA has displayed a complete lack of courage which reveals that the good it claims to do is merely propaganda in an effort to increase the bottom line.

  10. @Ramirez It's called "Woke Washing," more common among corporations these days.

  11. @Ramirez : Metastatic authoritarianism via capitalist extortion. Oh, I am a fan of free markets as long as we have checks and balances and separation of powers like we do in government. Planned economies are foolish. But don't ever believe anybody who says that capitalism is intrinsically democratic. If it is truly darwinistic (and that's the selling point, why it is most efficient), then it will use all of its resources to slash the competition to the benefit of itself. Tag seemed great when fighting Communist Authoritarianism, but not at all when the authoritarianism itself is Capitalist.

  12. @Ramirez Most Americans have been so indoctrinated that they will not realize the irony that a nation that prides itself on "freedom of speech" now has its entire political establishment attacking the NBA for not siding with its foreign policy positions. The reality is that Hong Kong's government actually already affords these rioters vastly more freedom of speech than they would ever find in the United States.

  13. The concept of right or wrong has no meaning when large sums of money are involved. Haven't we all learned that lesson in the last two years?

  14. @Morgan I've been learning that message every day of my adult life. I'm 40 now... this isn't a new phenomenon.

  15. @Morgan That depends on your moral standards. There certainly are people who put right and wrong ahead of money, but they are few and far between. And surely, this is not a recent phenomenon.

  16. @Morgan Are you thinking of the zillions of foreign dollars raked in by the Clinton Global Initiative?

  17. Why would the leadership of the NBA care about cops beating people up?

  18. Should they care about protesters beat cops and other innocent people, destroy banks stores subway station?

  19. @hehe Typical wumao whataboutism response. Yeah keep the focus on the minority of violent protests and ignore the entire movement, which is based on PRC violating the 2-system agreement. Not to mention modern day holocaust/vivisection on millions of Uyghurs.

  20. @Heq Banana This was a sarcastic comment because NBA players have protested against USA police many times.

  21. The NBA leaders now have to decide whether they support American ideals embodied in the Bill of Rights, like free speech, freedom of assembly, unreasonable search and seizure -- or will they just take the money from wherever and whomever offers it. In other word, is sports about more than money.

  22. Exactly. Don’t do business with or work for morally compromised entities, whether it be China, Saudi Arabia, or Donald Trump. Things will go badly, most likely for you. Compromised values, compromised soul. There are other ways to make a buck, no?

  23. American hegemony is driven by merchandise and profits, not principles and democracy. While we’d love to believe the Chinese people would look up to our political leadership, it’s hard to imagine what positive lessons they might currently learn.

  24. The global movement to end apartheid in South Africa taught a key lesson: international movements can defeat violent political regimes. Players, fans, and activists who support democracy and human rights can show solidarity with demonstrators in Hong Kong by elevating this issue in the NBA. NBA games can become an arena for more than basketball. People can demonstrate on the court or in the stands, and experiment with creative tactics online and offline. A society that chooses entertainment and profits over human rights requires a moral reckoning. As Hong Kong protestors risk incarceration, brutality, and death in their fight for freedom, let's do what we can to support them from our relatively safe corner of the world. As Dr. King said, "injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere," and "the time is always right to do right".

  25. @Jeff R Don't forget about the Uyghurs, who are being used as organ harvesting subjects according to the China Tribunal's address to United Nations Human Rights Council.

  26. It is very sad that the rockets, their owner and star player James Harden chose to apologize for supporting freedom in Hong Kong. That’s a despicable position to take and should be punished at the pocketbook. The US public should take note of this position and make purchasing choices accordingly.

  27. @MR I was born a Texan, still proud to be a Texan. Texan culture, ideally, does not kowtow to evil, fascist regimes. Although, granted, it currently supports Trump. But we are talking ideals, and the only constant is change. Right on MR. No more Houston Rockets for me.

  28. @MR Nonsense. There is no American city named Hong Kong. China is not an American ally. China doesn't buy nor is it given American aid in the form of arms or dollars. Black African Americans are profiled, stalked, stopped, beaten, shot, arrested on pick on the streets of pick any American city. The state of Texas is misled by the likes of Ted Cruz, John Cornyn and Gregg Abbott. New York City cursed America with the likes of Rudy Giuliani, Jeffrey Epstein and Donald Trump.

  29. It is one thing for a business to moderate its speech to avoid upsetting potential customers. It’s something else entirely to police the speech or political views of an employee of that business acting in a personal capacity. Not sure why the NBA couldn’t have simply underlined that its players and staff are a diverse group of people from all over the world with diverse views, but who share a passion for basketball at the highest level.

  30. @David B Policing of employee views has become an issue here in the United States.

  31. “Show me the money” is what the USA has always been all about, and always will be. Aka: “ The business of America is business!”

  32. The young people of Hong Kong are going to give their lives to protect democracy! The NBA is allowing to be bribed with this potential blood money. There could be blood on your hands. Maybe the NBA should wear masks on the court to honor the young people of Hong Kong who are fighting on the world stage and hoping that all of us support them!!

  33. China needs to understand that Americans have the right of free speech. If they don't like it tough. Let them form their own basketball league.

  34. Did the NBA players know, before today, that they were working for a Chinese-controlled company? They know now.

  35. With Twitter blocked in China, I wonder how many fans would have even seen the tweet

  36. It's always about the money. Don't let anyone tell you differently.

  37. I was already pretty much done with the NBA, except watching a couple playoffs games. But now? Coffin, meet nail.

  38. @Eero I think the NBA will do just fine, notwithstanding.

  39. A democratic stand for human rights may risk sneaker contracts. Bad business indeed.

  40. Full Disclosure. I left same Comment at WaPo. Ah, the Chase after the Almighty Dollar. Or in the case of People's Republic of China, the Renminbi (aka. Chinese Yuan). A Pox on Both NBA and PRC. I refuse to play-along w/ "catering" to Groups that don't benefit me Financially. Last week I attended a Conference hosted By the USPTO and Princeton University. Topic was "Strategies For IP Protection In China." While the IP scene in China was not as bad as I had thought. It was still not up-to US and World (WTO, EU) Standards. I am not bowing down to the PRC Standards. This coming from an Asian-American Attorney. I even refused to watch the ending to the Matt Damon Movie " The Martian" b/c the movie's ending (I heard) Catered to Chinese Audiences. I might even throw NCAA Football and the NFL "under the Bus" if they tried the same thing.

  41. At least the Chinese government is consistent. That’s a lot more than you can say for ours.

  42. @Walter mccarthy Are you crediting them for consistent genocide, consistent repression or consistent use of military force? Do you want your government consistent in those areas? I sure don't.

  43. Treat all beings with kindness.

  44. So the same league that is so "woke" that the term owner is banned now kowtows to the Tiananmen Square murders as they get their army ready for round two in Hong Kong. Money talks. Human rights?

  45. Most Americans have been so indoctrinated that they will not realize the irony that a nation that prides itself on "freedom of speech" now has its entire political establishment attacking the NBA for not siding with its foreign policy positions. The reality is that Hong Kong's government actually already affords these rioters vastly more freedom of speech than they would ever find in the United States.

  46. @Tim More free speech rights than in the US? I think not.

  47. @Shamrock You don't think? My point exactly.

  48. @Shamrock That's because you don't think :P

  49. Well that makes it crystal clear - the NBA's about profits not democracy. Does the NBA speak for the player's, many of whose ancestors suffered horrifically under a government that once tolerated slavery, segregation and their persecution for no reason other than their color.

  50. Most Americans have been so indoctrinated that they will not realize the irony that a nation that prides itself on "freedom of speech" now has its entire political establishment attacking the NBA for not siding with its foreign policy positions. The reality is that Hong Kong's government actually already affords these rioters vastly more freedom of speech than they would ever find in the United States.

  51. Let's agree that both Republicans and Democrats capitulated to China long ago. You only need to compare how the US government has been treating Cuba vs. China.

  52. Who needs democracy when you can have profits instead? Every citizen of this country, starting with the folks in the White House, should be ashamed of themselves for kow-towing to profit before people. The second layer of this 'profit' 1st mentality, and lack of intelligence, is that the largest problem facing humanity is resource degradation - the more we make, the more we sell, the more we profit, the less earth we have to sustain us - let alone the prospects of the 7th generation having a home. Shame on business for cozying up with Communists who want to suppress the human spirit - and shame on all of us for not seeing the danger we have created for our own lives from our over-population and consumptive habits.

  53. "Democratic and Republican politicians found agreement in calling the league gutless, accusing it of prioritizing money over human rights." If it wasn't so sad, this statement would be hilarious. Does Mr. Morey not have the right to free speech? He was not representing the view of the NBA, clearly. I wish he'd had the spine to not delete the tweet.

  54. Never mind lives, only Money is what that matters the most.

  55. @dchow Funny thing when Russia or Chins sticks their nose in our business - it is very bad but when we stick our noses in China's business it is very good. Short of genocide - there is no role for private companies to attempt to influence geopolitical spats.

  56. “... see the Hong Kong protesters portrayed as violent rioters in the state-run news media and largely regard them as such, ...” hmmm are they not? Then who smashed shops windows? Who made Hong Kong metro have to shut? Who insulted tourists from mainland China? Violence is never the way. And the protesters are lacking of proper leadership. They haven’t been very clear about what they want and how they want it. Beijing is just playing a game with them. Look at the stats, economy is continuously dropping. The protestors are scaring shoppers and tourists away, which will make low-income citizen’s lives even harder. I really want them to re-think about what they want and negotiate with Beijing PEACEFULLY. This is the only way people can go back to routine life and make Hong Kong good again.

  57. @Es This article was only marginally about Hong Kong, even less about tactics in political movements. It is about the ability of the Chinese communist party to censor foreign individuals and companies by jeopardizing their access to the lucrative Chinese market. It is about the sad reminder that ideas can spread everywhere, as long as money is not involved.

  58. @Es "Violence is never the way." Tell that to the People's Republic of China. A government of mass murderers and repressers. No fair minded person would DARE compare shutting a subway or insulting a tourist to the genocide of the Uighers, the occupation of Tibet and gassing of Hong Kong demonstrators. The people of Hong Kong are victims of Communist Party aggression.

  59. @Es Beijing doesn't negotiate, peacefully or otherwise. That is why HKers are in the streets.

  60. Maybe, maybe this is one controversy where the Left and Right can come together. let's see what Kerr and Popovich have to say.

  61. We are no longer a nation of principles and integrity, and I do believe we were at one time. Money is the end all and be all in the corporation formerly known as the United States of America. We stand for nothing more than making a buck. Revising a time worn maxim, money talks, everything else walks.

  62. @Andy We were never a nation of principles and integrity. That is a romantic version of an empire. Just about everything this country has done in the world has been driven by self interest. Not altruism.

  63. @Felix I believe a nation can act in it's best interests while maintaining their integrity and taking a principled stand. And I maintain that our history is replete with examples. I'd add that altruism, while admirable, is not a requirement for acting on principle and behaving with integrity. That all being said, I cannot deny that our history is also replete with actions that have caused great harm to others, both nations, the planet, and people.

  64. If you're doing a lot of business with someone the usual idea is to not go out of your way to irritate them. The geopolitical opinions of the NBA, its players and executives, matter not at all in any case so why stir things up on an issue where everyone, including your own Government, is treading lightly? Or maybe just kneel at courtside during the national anthem in solidarity with all of those well off international financiers and business people suffering in Hong Kong.

  65. @Frunobulax -- Like the GM, YOU are also entitled to your (off the wall) opinion, and not subject to the abuse of Communist China's control of your words.

  66. The simple, and yet extremely difficult solution, is to ratufy a treaty that restricts countries from trading, to a certain degree, with other countries who do not support basic human rights. The more human rights the given government supports, e more you get to trade with us. We should have done that 50 years ago. Had we done so, China would be a democracy and the work economy would be 50% bigger.

  67. @Think Strategically Whose "human rights" though? You don't think that doesn't open up the US to charges of massive amounts of hypocrisy?

  68. Not all protests are created equal. The underlying demand of the HK protests is universal suffrage, which, in a communist regime, would amount to de-facto independence. Pretty sure that's not what the Chinese had intended to give in 1997. To support the protests would be to incite civil war - hence the rebuke from the PRC. To be a part of China but not be subject to communism is to join the Republic of China - currently enjoying de facto independence in Taiwan. But even Taiwan is in a precarious position with no real allies. Not even the U.S. is willing to recognize ROC as a true nation, what makes HK? In the end, there is only one China. One wonders why the HK protestors are demanding a right that they never had from their democratic colonialists, perhaps it is the thought of being ruled by the Chinese - generally viewed by the HKers as inferior than the Brits and even the HKers themselves.

  69. @reality check So the promise of "one country, two systems" was just a ruse?

  70. @Holmes No, they were clear that One country came before Two systems, like how our Federal laws takes precedence over laws of States and Territories.

  71. It is unlikely that American capitalists will give up a 1.4 billion consumers market. That's reality.

  72. The international sports community should all exclude china for this. Sports should not be about politics, and if china cannot handle that they should not be allowed to participate in international events. The NBA should be fined for the stance they're taking here as their support of the chinese government for money means they're actively supporting human right violations. Due to their influential position, this stance should not be tolerated in the west.

  73. Hard to believe, but I actually agree with Marco Rubio The NBA should be embarrassed over this. How can it be ok for players and coaches to criticize Trump (deservedly in my opinion) but apologize over supporting Hong Kong protestors? Not just execs but James Harden apologized? Totally hypocritical

  74. @James Every now and then, Marco Rubio's personal interests align with reality and/or what is right. In those instances, you'll find yourself agreeing with him. But it was just happenstance.

  75. @James Hard to believe, but I agree with Marco Rubio on this one as well. The NBA should stand up for human rights first and foremost, even if it means losing the China market for the short term. In the long term, the Chinese people will eventually embrace human rights -- that is a genie that is hard to put back in the bottle -- and the NBA will look like enablers.

  76. @James Like the Humbug from " The Phantom Tollbooth", Rubio is almost never right about anything and when he is, it's usually an accident.

  77. It's all about money, I get it. What bugs me is the hypocrisy. If an NBA player made a statement against racism or social injustice in this country, there would be not one peep of criticism from the league; if anything, they would fall over themselves expressing support for his exercising his right to voice his opinion. But then they come down on somebody for daring to criticize one of the most repressive regimes on earth. What a joke.

  78. @Dave The most repressive regimes on earth? You have forgotten a US ally named Saudi Arabia.

  79. @Dave , I agree. with China's horrific human rights issues in Tibet, Hong Kong, and toward Uighur and other minorities, it is time to stand up to tyranny and abuse of power. If sports figures can protest the American flag, it is high time they spoke up against the biggest abuser of all, China. Let's all support the man with the courage and vision, Daryl Morey.

  80. @Dave Yes but with 5% of humanity America has 25% of the world's prisoners. And although only 13% of Americans are black like Ben Carson and Tim Scott about 40% of the American prisoners are black. Because blacks are persecuted for acting like white people do without any criminal justice consequences. Prison is the carefully carved colored exception to the 13th Amendment abolition of slavery and involuntary servitude. There is no American city nor territory nor possession named Hong Kong. The people of Hong Kong are not my fellow Americans. China is not an American ally nor friend. There are American cities named Baltimore, Chicago, Detroit, Houston, Los Angeles, Memphis, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Newark, Philadelphia and St. Louis. There is an American territory aka possession aka colony named Puerto Rico with cities named Ponce and San Juan. Puerto Ricans are my fellow Americans. This is the travesty. You must be joking.

  81. The entire world is treading lightly when it comes to criticizing China. They have enormous power, economic boycotts are very effective. Be prepared when you mess with China is the message.

  82. @Pepperman We buy 540 billion in products from China and they buy 120 billion from us. A 420 billion dollar trade deficit. So remind me again who has more to lose in a from economic boycotts with China? It is about time Americans start boycotting products from China if we even can.

  83. @Todd The 540 billion includes all the billions China imported to be assembled and exported to the US. If iPhone 7's 3.6% China cut is indicative, then it is not 540B vs 120B, but actually 20B vs 120B. Even at 10%, that is only 54B vs 120B. Another way of looking at it is like when you get a loan to buy a car or a mortgage to buy a house, but the IRS auditor believes those loans are your income and you need to pay income taxes on it. http://theconversation.com/we-estimate-china-only-makes-8-46-from-an-iphone-and-thats-why-trumps-trade-war-is-futile-99258 Of the factory-cost estimate of $237.45 from IHS Markit at the time the iPhone 7 was released in late 2016, we calculate that all that’s earned in China is about $8.46, or 3.6 percent of the total. That includes a battery supplied by a Chinese company and the labor used for assembly. The other $228.99 goes elsewhere. The U.S. and Japan each take a roughly $68 cut, Taiwan gets about $48, and a little under $17 goes to South Korea.

  84. @Schwanish While I get your point your example of an iPhone is a very high tech, high value added product. I would think the majority of junk that gets made in China and sold in Walmart doesn’t have the same split of even close.

  85. Money will make many people become spineless!

  86. Not happy to see NBA bend so cravenly to authoritarian pressures against a little free speech. But doubly amused to see Republican politicians finding their moral outrage backbones for this incident, ever-so-briefly.

  87. In a culture where bottom line literally means money, what else do you expect?

  88. You can't simply earn anyone's money and disrespect them.

  89. Just now realizing it’s an autocratic country? News sometimes travels slow.

  90. Hong Kong “freedom” or “democracy,” I just wonder, how would it help with the rent crisis there!? What exactly is in it for common people?!

  91. @Freak - freedom and democracy are basic human rights worth fighting for regardless of economic consequence. What's in it for the common man is having their human rights respected, so in other words, a lot.

  92. I am sorry, I can’t take that to the bank?! And I am still sleeping in a closet and cooking in the same closet and can’t even afford to marry!! So once again I ask, what’s in it for me?!! Does “freedom” or “democracy” improve my rent situation?! Or healthcare?! If all you’re selling me are theories and platitudes of “freedom” or “honor,” or “human rights,” well, I Ann already without human rights in my tiny closet apartment!! What difference does it make if that won’t change?! You gotta come stronger with that “freedom” and “democracy” and “human rights” theories! What difference does it really make to common people?! People are making money and traveling and getting rich in China with its “poor” human rights! So, why should I care?!!!

  93. The NBA has the best basketball players in the world. China does not. They are selling themselves cheap.

  94. The NBA is looking pretty bad in this situation. They are cowering to a non-democratic state for money. And as much as I dislike Trump... what he's doing to China in the trade war is spot on. Stand up to the bully... NBA. PS... Since the new owner of the Nets supports the Chinese state.. basketball fans should reconsider their financial support for the Nets. DEMOCRACY RULES!

  95. NBA It's time to put the VALUES over money. There is no amount of money can get your your values once lost. Keep them.. slowly but money will come..

  96. "Democratic and Republican politicians found agreement in calling the league gutless, accusing it of prioritizing money over human rights." And how many politicians have the guts and ethics to place moral imperative over campaign contributions and winning elections? I haven't seen much of that since ... well, ever. Especially recently among Republicans whose unwavering support for an obviously corrupt party leader is taking this country to a very dark and undemocratic place, all because they're afraid of the backlash. Corporate cowardice is no different.

  97. Not being a NBA fan, I never knew how much the NBA licks the boots of China. It just shows again and again money above all. People are and have always been just another commodity for the wealthy. The sycophants that serve the wealthy, NBA players and coaches, have made their station in life and aim to remain there.

  98. With this in the news, the latest Southpark episode really looks prophetic. Of course Southpark is now "band in China".

  99. This just reinforces my personal choice of never supporting professional sports with my hard earned money. Greed really isn’t all that good...except for the greedy.

  100. If another NBA player issues a similar tweet: "The Hong Kong protests concern the preservation of basic civil rights for its citizens, civil rights long denied to the citizens of China. The Chinese government has flooded its media outlets with propaganda and misinformation about the protests to mobilize outrage in the mainland." What exactly would happen? Well, we don't know. We do know that many NBA athletes have expressed contempt for the Trump White House and its racist policies. But when it comes to China, are these same athletes now going to "Shut up and Dribble?"

  101. @Christy: Actually, the Western press has been twisting the story from the beginning. From my perspective as an expat in HK, it feels like the way that the press fell for the story about weapons of mass destruction in Iraq because it matched their worldview and prejudices. I have lived in the US, and HK is easily as free as the US. None of these protesters has suffered any persecution or experienced any loss of “rights”. It is all fear-based and fuelled by fake social media. The extradition bill was not going to affect anyone except criminals (political cases were excluded) and there was judicial review in HK, which still has the old British legal system and even some old English judges. And in any case, the bill has been withdrawn! So why are they trashing the city and destroying the rule of law???

  102. @Christy Vaile Right. All NBA players are being challenged now. Only Harden spoke. Or, he just buried his head, heart and mind in money.

  103. @Andrew Yours is one of the few sensible voices here. HK is one of the freest places on earth according to Heritage Foundation and the Cato Institute.

  104. Every person in America knows right from wrong — The Hong Kong protesters are right, and the Chinese government is wrong. No person with morals or ethical values should look the other way on this issue. Putting profits first is unethical and immoral. Protesters in Hong Kong are putting their lives in danger, and we’re worried about profitability. That is wrong.

  105. Why is it not surprising that the NBA will stand with the cash cow, as opposed to those who desire freedom, liberty, and the desire for the rights we enjoy?

  106. "Peace in our time" has gone down as one of the worst mistakes in history. I was recently watching a documentary series on WW2. The parallels between the expansionism of Germany /Japan and the current behavior of China are scary. During the 1930s' the rest of the world let Germany subjugate territories time and again under the belief that "it's just one more concession". Japan made its initial conquests by force and thus was rebuked more sharply, but isolationism reigned. Both countries also imprisoned groups that are different than the favored core. Today we are unfortunately taking the same attitude towards China. Oh, and Japan's attack on the US also ranks as one of the greatest mistakes in history.

  107. Maybe if you know the history better, you will know that Hong Kong was part of China since before US is even a country. Actually, it has been part of China since before Christ. So, what has changed its identity ? Is it hong kong people themselves finding Chinese government repressive? Heck no. Before the world wars, european countries invaded China and colonized all the valuable port cities, including Hong Kong. Hong Kong was colonized by Britain, not freed. Hong Kong never exited as an independent country, and its people, from the very beginning, were and still are Chinese. According to the treaty of Nanking, Hong Kong was returned to Chinese rule in 1997 PEACEFULLY. China is not expanding, it’s taking back its territory from the western countries. Chinese people are sensitive about this issue cause the age of colonization greatly damaged its dignity as a sovereign country. It’s like the pain of 911 for US, if not even worse. People are still dealing with the impact from western expansionism. This not only applies to Beijing and Hong Kong. There is no place for people who do not understand the issue to ignite the conflicts that’s originally caused them. I mean, if you still think the US is not the only one with moral conscious and the 14 billion Chinese people are just brain washed and unable to think for themselves...think twice about native Americans, Korean War, Vietnam war War begins with misunderstandings not violence.. understanding before judgement pls

  108. I'd like to see a list from our media detailing every law passed in post 1997-HK that strips away any rights of HK folks. There were other bills that were perceived to do that but there were massive PEACEFUL protest and the government back down. Here're a couple examples: The proposed reform to introduce the Moral & National Education curriculum was seen as an attempt by the CCP to influence the young minds of Hong Kong people to be more pro-party. That attempt was NOT PAST due to protests WITHOUT VIOLENCE. The attempted enactment of Article 23 which would've allowed the HK Gov to enact laws on its own to "prohibit any act of treason, secession, sedition, subversion against the Central People's Government". You can argue that this is the most undisputed attempt to "infringe" upon HK people's freedom of speech which, ironic enough, was written in the Basic Law which means both the British & the pan-democrat representatives agreed with it at the time. And...it did not pass due to massive protest without VIOLENCE. HK has no firewall or control of information. HK residents have all the rights Mainland residents have and some. Their specialized passport give them visa-free visits that their Chinese cousins are envy of. Their personal wealth can do anywhere they want. They are free to wave the Union Jack and Stars Spangles in their protest. (Just imagine protesters wave Chinese or British flags for rights movement in the US!)

  109. It’s time for the players to step up and support the protesters.

  110. The movie industry has also been pandering to China (actor Richard Gere claims he was blacklisted from American films and presenting at the Oscars because of his criticism of China.) If we lose the global competition with China for influence and respect, we can point to stories like these for an explanation.

  111. Greedy and cowardly at the same time. Grow up, N.B.A. Human rights in Hong Kong and China are more important than your silly games.

  112. Spineless and pathetic.

  113. No political system is perfect. Democracy is good, in principle. In real life, we have seen many problems with modern democracy, even in the US. Will democracy with universal suffrage (that’s one of the protesters demands) solve all Hong Kong’s problems, including it’s serious issue of income inequality? Very doubtful. HK’s GDP has just been surpassed by it’s neighboring city of Shenzhen in Mainland China, and there is no evidence that the younger generation in a “democratic Hong Kong” will become better entrepreneurs as compared to their counterparts in Shenzhen. The human history of democracy with universal suffrage is not that long. Some philosopher commentator has declared “democracy is for gods” and it’s obvious that in modern democracy there are opportunities for improvement. It’s easy to shout “Fight for democracy”. It’s also easy for the same sentence to become an empty slogan.

  114. That woke NBA players routinely comment on domestic political subjects in highly critical fashion and quickly acquiesce to China's demands will hopefully cause a tipping point of shame and force western companies to stop also. It's high time to isolate China again as it is obvious trade has only strengthened communism there threatening the entire region. Freedom must always come first. Hong Kong,Taiwan,Vietnam, Nepal,Philippines etc are looking to us to do the right thing now.

  115. The funny thing is that if the Rockets had tweeted about the migrant camps or mass shootings nobody would have cared.

  116. After read comments under this news, I think many readers don’t realize Chinese people are angry, not only government. If some NBA player tweet “Freedom Texas” or Hawaii is not belong to USA, what will you do?

  117. What will we do? We already know what we will do because we already do it. We shrug and move on. We don't need to coerce individual states to stay in the union, not at this time anyway. If you need to force someone to stay with you how harmonious will your relationship be?

  118. @hehe Taiwan is an independent country. Why do you think it ‘belongs’ to China? Why does the Chinese government not believe in freedom of speech? Freedom of peaceable assembly? Freedom of the press? Allowing other political parties to compete in the marketplace of ideas?

  119. When dealing with Communist China, it's whether you have a spine or no spine, period. Regarding Hong Kong, Mr. Trump's silence is thundering!

  120. With weaklings like the NBA and short sighted American companies that gave over their precious secrets to China in exchange for profit, I think Xi does not have to worry about international reactions when he turns Hong Kong into a second Tiananmen Square.

  121. No one can serve two masters. Either you will hate the one and love the other, or you will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both Democracy and money.

  122. The NBA is gutless for folding like a cheap carpet here. I’ll stop watching until the semi finals.

  123. The most mercantilist country in the world wins again...Always quick to criticize anything of anyone not in agreement with their social justice imperatives, the NBA and its players are now groveling as Tibetans, Uigars and Hong Kong students are starved and beaten. Congrats, craven ones!

  124. To support the democracy in China, do not buy Halloween or Christmas stuff, they are all made in China, also don't go to Chinese buffet's, I'm sure all of their workers have no paper to be here.

  125. Hollywood has been cozying up to the Chinese Communist censors and propagandists for years. When was the last time a popular Hollywood film portrayed the Communist Chinese as anything other than competent and benevolent? 'Spy Game' in 2001? I bet that gets a lot of follow-on royalties from China these days. Don't let Gu Li Duo come out your nose when you watch the made for-Communist-China scenes in 'Iron Man 3'.

  126. Is it time to change the design of our flag from red, white, and blue to green to better represent our ideals?

  127. We cannot allow China to become the world’s censor. The people of Hong Kong understands this. Why ban Huawei if America Inc. is going to do what it’s told by China?

  128. The NBA is supposed to be all about empowerment. By refusing to support the freedom loving people of Hong Kong (who borrow words from our own US Constitution!), the NBA has chosen instead to throw its support behind a totalitarian government which actively surveils its people, causes individuals to disappear, conducts large scale organ harvesting from prisoners, utilizes nationalistic propaganda and media controls, and engages in cultural genocide in Xinjiang. Shouldn't it be possible to state that you love the Chinese people while abhorring their government? There was a wonderful opportunity for the NBA to show unity with Chinese fans and also with people seeking freedom in Hong Kong. By kowtowing to the leaders in Beijing, the NBA is encouraging self censorship inside the USA. This was a very poor decision on the part of the NBA and shows a profound lack of leadership.

  129. A couple things here: 1) The Hong Kong protests remain an undefined situation here in the U.S. After weeks of reporting on the protests, and elimination of the extradition provision, I now have literally no idea what they are protesting about. There are no leaders and no demands that I can discern. 2) It's ironic that the same NBA stars who won't visit the White House and the lawfully elected President of the U.S., because they say he is racist, will bend over backwards to the authoritarian Chinese regime to keep the money flowing. Their athlete predecessors in the Civil Rights movement may not view them as profiles in courage. These NBA stars may be surprised to learn what the Chinese really think of them. Funny how money make hypocrites out of people.

  130. @TL There's no money to be made by visiting the White House. It's a nice dinner and an honor, nothing more. If the players don't see any benefit to going to the White House, then why should they? Not sure why you bring up the fact that Trump was lawfully elected. No one is debating that.

  131. @TL To which stars are you referring? The only one I see quoted is Harden.

  132. @TL They have 5 demands, not one less. They want an investigation of police brutality. They want amnesty for protestors. They want universal suffrage and the resignation of Carrie Lam. They want formal retraction of the extradition bill. They want the the retraction of the riot label to protests in June.

  133. There were those in the North who similarly didn't criticize slavery because it might have jeopardized their business dealings with slave owners in the South. How did that work out?

  134. Hong Kong is the new South Africa. American's must make a choice between supporting democracy or making money.

  135. Know towing to China is wrong for anybody. Doing so for money is the worst possible reason. When the NBA and other companies kneel down, they only make things worse for the brave people of Hong Kong. Shame on the NBA.

  136. Partisanship permeates every level of American society and some people don’t even remember they are at work and should keep their political views to themselves. This level of unprofessionalism is why so many companies are losing to foreign competitors and why so many employees are demoralized by hostile workplace culture.

  137. Bad as Trump is, when one considers how Clinton gave away the store to China, he just might be a stable genius. Don't count him out yet.

  138. @as I doubt that Trump would have a problem leading, or even being a businessman, under China's Communist Party rule. I'm sure he would relish the opportunity. Human rights are no longer taking a back seat in US foreign policy. they've been "thrown out of the moving car" and abandoned.

  139. @as Is this the same Trump that put sanctions on ZTE, then removed them while tweeting about saving Chinese jobs? Or the Trump whose family has merchandising deals in China? Or the same Trump that employs McConnells' wife whose in-laws have billions in Chinese shipping? Or the same Trump that axed the TPP agreement that would have helped contain China? Anyway, no one like the Clintons anymore, pick on someone new. That's like picking on Republicans for being immoral.

  140. From the Greatest Generation to the Crassest Generation, in 80 short years.

  141. Yao Ming may be the Crown Prince of Basketball in China, but he is a the Crown Jewel.

  142. The NBA seems to have a hypocrisy problem. Donald Sterling is drummed out of the league, and rightly so, for racist comments. But the ownership of the Brooklyn Nets? First a Russian plutocrat now Mr Tsai, a classic "have my cake and eat it too" wealthy overseas Chinese. He's made billions from the Chinese economy and supports the current dictatorship, while holding a Canadian passport and stashing a big part of his fortune in the US, thereby insuring his own safety if the political winds change.

  143. Interesting to see Senator Marco Rubio weighing in here, critical of NBA players silent on this issue. Now if Senator Rubio could only muster up the spine to condemn a President of the United States who solicits help from communist China to dig up political dirt on his political opponents, that would show real moral courage and defense of freedom right here in his own backyard.

  144. @JEV Because he has moral values .. and he decided to speak up ...

  145. So sad that the NBA would show such a weak moral backbone. Freedom is far more important that money.

  146. I see - so it's fine for NBA to grandstand when there are no consequences for mouthing off... the moment dollars are involved, we're oh so sorry. Same goes for the film industry, which does not dare to portray Chinese as villains from the moment they (brilliantly) bought shares in the production companies. The lesson: the moment China has a modicum of power over your finances it will start to blackmail you.

  147. Believe in something, even it means sacrificing everything.

  148. The NBA reveals its true face. Money over people, market share over civil rights, league expansion over democratic values.

  149. Old news. The NBA for decades has demonstrated in many ways that its priority is money.

  150. Interested to know where the American social justice warriors like Marc Benioff of Salesforce stand on the issue of Hong Kong.  As with many U.S. companies now entering the political world it's money before political opinion.

  151. @james Precisely. We get social justice warriors on gay rights (great), women's rights (great), minority rights (great), but we never hear from them regarding veterans' rights or human rights. It's our overall human rights that lay the foundation for all the other rights, and it's our vets who fought for these freedoms. It's amazing how, when you look just a wee bit, you can so easily distinguish between a greenback virtue signaler and a true champion of democracy.

  152. I am pro-democracy as everyone here. As a Chinese-Canadian, I am also sympathetic towards the journeys of all peoples, no matter how assiduous and challenging they are. I myself was firsthand witness of the student movement in China back in the late 1980s. I too want the people of China, and that includes HK, to have their say in how to run their country and their cities. There are many ways to get there, in different time frames as each country is different and their conditions are different. Just compare the roads to democracy of Great Britain to the US, from S. Korea to Japan, from Singapore to France. The list goes on. That said, there is zero place for violence and should be zero tolerance for it, regardless where it comes from. In the past few months of HK, the protest has gone out of hand, the violence is unprecedented in historic proportion and the irrational hatred and bigotry from the black-shirted campe are beyond reproach. Those incidents are rarely reported in many major western media outlets. Their focus is squarely portraying those violence perpetrators as 'freedom fighters', the 'suppressed' and 'disenfranchised'. If you want to have the whole picture of Hong Kong as we speak, sadly, you are not going to get it in NYT or the Guardian (both of which I subscribed to as a paid reader).

  153. @LYP It's funny that I wish you would apply the same standard to how CCP started their "peaceful revolution".

  154. @LYP the American revolution got out of hand too.

  155. It’s a bad day for the United States when a corporation that is headquartered in the United States decides that a tweet defending democracy is a bad business decision. I would like to propose that we take the wealth from the CEOs who hate democracy, and give it to American workers who love democracy.

  156. @Austin Ouellette Hear hear! I second that! American corporations are selling out this country for a quick profit to appease a country who does not believe in personal rights, property, freedom of thought.... This is unsustainable.

  157. Rule of thumb: don’t sell out to authoritarians for the sake of the all mighty dollar. Ethics matter.

  158. @JDK No longer. As long as the US president has nothing even approaching moral authority in regard to anything at all, ethics has no real meaning, since it has no monetary value. The entire country has sold out to an authoritarian, so why expect moral standards to exist?

  159. @JDK Apparently ethics do not matter. The reason "Why the N.B.A. Apologized to China Over Daryl Morey’s Tweet About Hong Kong" is obvious. Tiananmen Square was just a speed bump, almost forgotten, obscured in the shadow of money.

  160. The most important thing is this is an authoritarian government censorship whose boundaries are decided by this authoritarian government, and now is the very time to decide if US PEOPLE (not corps this time) will follow such self censorship. Earlier saying Hongkong is not China was an offense, now saying Freedom for Hongkong become an offense, and tomorrow saying standing for US value which indicates democracy and freedom will be an offense. A Chinese student who appraised US in her US university graduation were harassed and bullied, and her family members in China threatened, because what she said was offensive. It's unfortunate that we have this president in the White House who would happy to keep silence as long as he can continue his trade talk which he is already losing, but the people should not accept such things and should fight back as hard as we can.

  161. This is interesting. I wonder what athletes will be "allowed" to say at the 2022 Olympics in China. No mention of Tienanmen Square, Hong Kong or Taiwan? How will the US Olympic Committee react? Once again, there will be a lot of money on the line.

  162. People shouldn't make comments or take sides before they really understand the situation in Hong Kong. Both sides have faults and the situation has escalated to the point that no progress will be made under such condition. People need to calm down and talk this out instead of breaking into stores, set the streets on fire, or engage in fights. It is utterly important to have democracy but to accomplish that and to retain that via violence is 100% not the right way. People really need to calm down and people from outside Hong Kong should also push for a peaceful solution to this.

  163. @John A peaceful solution that ends with democracy and human rights in China? I'm all for it. Can you say Tiananmen Square??? That was largely peaceful, at least in the part of the people protesting for democracy. And how about the tank rolling communist party? How peaceful were they??

  164. The America of 'speaking truth to power' and its espousal of the principles of "...indivisible, with liberty and justice for all", seems downright quaint in today's environment of 'money and power trump any other principles'. So sad and tired of being sad at the loss of 'my' country to its bitter angels of deceit, compromise of ideals and self-service.

  165. Looking back, the NBA's willingness to let its players and teams speak up on US social justice and police brutality issues is a business decision, rather than a moral conviction. Given the demography of the NFA's fan base (vs. the NFL's), it was a positive branding move for the NBA to be "woke" on that front. Are we really so naive to think otherwise?

  166. China is the world’s largest consumer market. It’s naive to think the league would willingly offend them over the Hong Kong protests. To me, the Hong Kong protesters are courageous freedom fighters. But that’s just a story that I like to believe. It also seems true that they are separatists. Britain gave Hong Kong to China. Many young people in HK prefer a western style democracy to China’s authoritarian model. Well, too bad. Like it or not, you’re Chinese now. The NBA defers to China. Ok. So does Apple, and Google and any company that wants to do business there. It’s the price of admission. So BTW does this administration, and the one before, and the one before that. Have you heard a US President criticize their surveillance state or Muslim camps? The world is not a giant democracy. Other nations organize themselves as they see fit. We respect their national sovereignty and work with nations unlike our own. Of course we shun certain rogue nations that are bad actors or enemies of our friends, but funny how those counties are always small and isolated, and are never the ones with big consumer markets.

  167. @MR Britain gave Hong Kong BACK to China. The only reason HK ever left China because Britain wanted to force the country to open its ports and poison its citizens with opium. After the devastating loss of the opium war, China conceded HK to Britain, but it was always known that HK would be returned to China. The story is much more complicated and has draws on deep feelings of nationalism/patriotism

  168. @MR "Britain gave Hong Kong to China. Many young people in HK prefer a western style democracy to China’s authoritarian model. Well, too bad. Like it or not, you’re Chinese now." I'm really not sure if you're being ironic. Sounds like you are endorsing slavery? Hong Kongers belonged to Britain, and was theirs to hand away like chattel? Self-determination, and 'when in the course of human events . . .'? No? No more? But I do agree that we are living in a world of cowards. China needs luxury brands just as much as the luxury brands need China. The CCP promised marquee designers and entertainment to the people in exchange for political acquiescence. Take these things away and the deal is off. None of those fashionable young women and men are going back to their Mao jackets. Talk about a revolution waiting to happen! Most recently, we have seen in South Africa how international brands and celebrities can take it upon themselves to act when governments do not. The same popularity that makes these entities so profitable in China is exactly what gives them leverage, if they cared to use it. But when the US president himself shrugs his shoulders at the Khashoggi murder (for example) for the sake of a prospective contract, then what incentive do they have to behave differently? Probably they are relieved that Trump gives them (am)moral cover. But we as American consumers have power similar to Chinese consumers. The NBA season is about to get started. Boycott, anyone?

  169. Respecting their sovereignty does not make they cannot be criticized.

  170. The NBA is two-faced. So Steve Kerr can say anything he wants (rightfully) about President Trump, but when NBA employees speak out about the totalitarian and anti-human regime in China, they are suddenly pressured into silence? Absurd. China is to be condemned, openly and often. Put ethics, morality, and the common good of all humans over business. Always.

  171. @Dan Steven kerr is a responsible man. If he says something bad China, his team may lose the China market.

  172. @alan there are some things that are more precious than $$$$$. Freedom is the first thing I can think of.

  173. @Dan You must be confusing China with America's autocratic ethnic sectarian supremacist totalitarian evil inhumane allies and friends like Afghanistan, Bahrain, Egypt, Iraq, Israel, Libya, Pakistan, Phillipines, Saudi Arabia, Turkey and the U.A. E. China didn't imprison 25% of the world's prisoners. America does that with 5% of humans. And the prisoners tend to be the color aka race of a majority of NBA players. Instead of the color aka race of the NBA owners. There is no private First Amendment free speech protection. There is protection from public government free speech rights interference. The NBA isn't a civil human rights organization.

  174. Maybe the NBA was just "kidding," Marco Rubio. Trying to provoke the press into a reaction.

  175. It won't be long until enough world-wide industries have "hurt the feelings of the Chinese people" that the only entertainment allowed in China will be Uncle Xi's silly military parades.

  176. I hope players bring black umbrellas to games. We must stand in solidarity with Hong Kongers against brutal authoritarianism.

  177. I am in the world of anti-war advocates. It's a motley group of lefties, libertarians, isolationists, religious people, and some former intelligence people. The consensus is that the HK protests are a CIA operation, conducted through propaganda outfits like the National Endowment for Democracy and other CIA-funded groups. I just read a complaint that "some Hong Kong residents pay up to $500,000 for tiny "nano apartments." Sounds like NYC to me. Now read this article from CNN on why HK leads the world in life expectancy and tell me where you'd rather live (assuming no language difficulty). https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/02/health/hong-kong-world-longest-life-expectancy-longevity-intl/index.html

  178. Unlike Chinese basketball players, American players are considered to be 'performance artists' (actors) under the anti-trust and union laws. That is to say, they are mere mouthpieces of the capitalist, imperialist running dogs.

  179. It’s all about the benjamins

  180. @Jay That's a correct description. It should not be the case.

  181. Rubio has a lot of nerve complaining about the NBA and China and being"woke". When he is a defender of Trump and his policies of immigrant child abuse and separation from their parents, a dumb trade war that is weakening our economy and Trump's traitorous dealings with Putin and his Russian Oligarchs. Not mention the Trump Ukraine call. Rubio might want to "wake up" to the crooked president in the WH he is defending

  182. Corporations always throw human rights under the bus on the road to increasing profits.

  183. Because it is all about the money. If anyone thinks they can push China around without having a carrot and a backbone they are crazy.

  184. I would like to request that the author/editor include a link to the full statement released by the Brookyln Nets owner, Joseph Tsai. I feel it offers a valuable perspective on China-NBA relations and the Times does Mr. Tsai (and us readers) a disservice in only selectively summarising his words. Similarly, I find it uncharitable that the author lumps Mr. Tsai together with the deluded online comment in the paragraph immediately after. As a long-time NBA fan and Asian-Australian, I was heartened when Mr. Tsai sought ownership of the Nets. The Tsai's are icons of Taiwanese-American success, and I've long admired the philanthropic and public advocacy work he and his wife, Clara Wu Tsai, do. Mr. and Mrs. Tsai have funded research centres at their alma maters (Yale, Stanford); Clara also sits on the boards of other academic institutions. Joseph is a former varsity lacrosse player and lifelong advocate for the sport. Clara is a founding partner of the Reform Alliance, a social justice group which aims to "[change] the laws, policies, and practises that perpetuate injustice [in the criminal justice system]." Please at least do Mr. Tsai the courtesy of linking to his full statement. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Tsai https://reformalliance.com/partners/#clarawutsai

  185. @James I read Mr. Tsai's comments and I find it more nauseating than what's was portrayed in NYT. Here's my response to it: I see here, an attempt to gaslight American sports fans, and to justify authoritarianism. The Hong Kong protesters are not demanding a separate nation. They want China to adhere to its promise of "1 country 2 system," the terms that China agreed to when Hong Kong revert it but has worked to erode over time. And No, being humiliated as a Nation does not justify police walking away while armed thugs beat unarmed protesters. It does not justify "reeducation camps," religious nor political prisoners. This person had the fortune to be educated at Yale. It goes to show intelligence may correlate with wealth - but here is a clear example that it does not correlate with honesty nor moral courage.

  186. @Tim This is a great comment. As a citizen of Taiwan, it would also be nice if he opposed the bullying by Beijing of Taiwan and any companies wishing to do business with it. As someone else has said, “it’s all about the Benjamins”.

  187. “Fight for freedom, stand with Hong Kong.” He quickly deleted the tweet, but the damage was done.When people makes comments about Hong Kong, are they hypocrite or ignorant ( include the young protesters ) of the Chinese and Hong Kong history ? 1. Up to 80% US Chinese immigrants in the 19th century were from Taishan city west of Hong Kong. They accounted for 90% of the railroad workers to complete western part of the transcontinental railroad in 1865-1869. When the economy headed south in 1880's, US passed the Chinese Exclusion Act 1882. Hundreds of Chinese were either being killed, lynched or forced out of Chinatown. They were banned from immigration for next seventy years. 2. Mr. Warren Delano who was the grandfather of two presidents in Roosevelt's family. He was the second largest illegal opium trader after Great Britain in 1800 in China. Mr. Delano went to Canton China twice at age of 24 and 48 for the opium trade. The second time, he stayed in Rose Hill Victoria Hong Kong for 5 years. Suggest book to read by James Bradley, ( His father John Bradley was one of the soldiers in the iconic photo who hold the American flag in Iwo Jima Japan WWII l945 )title, " The China Mirage-The Hidden History of American Disaster in Asia " ..

  188. As always the NBA is clueless when it comes to morals especially when it comes to profit. Remember Kobe anyone?

  189. Outrageous! The NBA is exhibiting as much backbone as the Republican Senate. Anything for a dollar it appears.

  190. So pitiful I don't even know what to say.Maybe Harden should play in China?I prefer democracy and to stand with those willing to fight for it.The true freedom fighters in Hong Kong deserve this country support. The NBA can kick rocks. They are very easy to replace!

  191. The Republicans are, predictably, up in arms about the NBA doing business in China while their Senate leader has connections to the actual oppressors through his in-laws. Their outrage is always selective and hypocritical. And you know the PGA would do the same, and the GOP would say nothing.

  192. If GM of Rockets likes politics so much, he should resign from GM job and free to pursue his dream. Don't subject the league to this kind of poisonous demagoguery.

  193. @S. C. Using your constitutionally protected right to free speech to support pro-democracy protests is "poisonous demagoguery"? Real nice, Emmanuel Goldstein.

  194. The issue is one of principle, spelled M-O-N-E-Y. The issue is one of conscience, spelled M-O-N-E-Y. The issue is one of truth, spelled M-O-N-E-Y.

  195. Why would anyone be surprised at a US professional sports league selling its soul by refusing to take a principled stand for “American values” when there are American dollars at stake?

  196. The Chinese have no problem criticizing the policies of other nations but cannot tolerate anyone criticizing their own policies. Can’t have it both ways...

  197. Apparently, they can!

  198. Had a long discussion with a friend from mainland China. We are completely misunderstanding how the mainland Chinese interpret the Hong Kong protests, because we dismiss it all as propaganda. Hong Kong was the result of 8 Western powers ganging up on China during the Opium Wars. We in the West don't consider that long ago past relevant, when discussing democracy and freedom now. But look at it from this perspective: China is like the husband beaten up by a gang of 8, and had to watch while his wife got gang raped and then taken away. The husband trained hard for years and somehow got his wife back, but she changed. We tell the husband since he cannot satisfy his wife like how the gang of 8 could, he should give her freedom. The husband gets enraged and shouts for us to mind our own business. From that perspective, we can begin to understand the mainland Chinese feelings of rage and disgust. If that is how the mainland Chinese are emotionally connecting to the Hong Kong protest, then the overriding emotion being felt is "humiliation" and "betrayal". So many of us have somehow lost the ability to view the world from another perspective that conflicts with our own. It is so easy to dismiss as propaganda and fake news what we do not agree with. And here we are, thinking that the common Chinese people will embrace democracy and freedom if they could just hear us through that CCP firewall. They heard us. We are just clueless on how we are humiliating them.

  199. @Schwanish I understand their perspective but I think they are not realistic or able to see from the point of view of HKers. They expected HKers to be thrilled to be reunited with the motherland but they most certainly are not. They are terrified and defiant. Mainlanders cannot comprehend this. For mainlanders national pride is also frequently personal pride but HKers have enjoyed a free press, free speech, individualism, British common law etc for generations. Mainland chinese do not know what it feels like to have these cherished freedoms taken away from you because they have never experienced them.

  200. @Schwanish While there is a smidgen of historic facts in your comment, it is also very misleading. During the time of the Opium War, Hong Kong was a quiet fishing village and was used by the British as a shipping/military outpost. So it is really more like an unimportant slave within the China household rather than the cherished wife. So after China was beaten up as you put it, it gave the slave to Britain (not all 8) for 99 years of service. Along the way, the China master became more cruel and authoritarian. At the end of the 99 years of service, the British gave the servant back as agreed but made China promised that the slave should enjoy the same freedom as under British rule and the master will not exercise its cruelty and authoritarianism onto the slave like its other 'mainland' slaves. However, the master cannot stop its authoritarian tendency to seep into his everyday actions. So the slave is now protesting the loss of his freedom and the unfair treatment by its master.

  201. @Schwanish If a country doesn't want to be dismissed as a totalitarian dictatorship, maybe they should stop 1. stop buying thousands of fake social media accounts to spread propaganda 2. tear down their firewall and let their own citizens access the internet as freely as you and I 3. allow freedom of press 4. and stop jailing human rights lawyers. 5. allow international human rights observers to access the concentration camp full of Uighurs I'm sorry but you were fed a selected slice of history that completely ignores the point of the Hong Kong protests. First of all they don't even speak the same language. Second, most Mainland chinese do not have access to news outside their state-run media. So no they are not "hearing" us. I'm sure their cyber-army's working overtime to combat the evil western fake news though, even though their press freedom index is right next to North Korea's. And no, the Hong Kong protests do not effect the average working class chinese one iota. They're more worried about the price of pork and whether their son will find a wife in a country of 40 million excess bachelors.

  202. Makes perfect sense. China and the NBA are a match made in heaven. On the one hand, you have a society that cheaply produces overpriced sneakers; and on the other hand, there's a fanbase full of conspicuous consumers.

  203. As usual, the cartels of sports are more interested in making money than anything else. in the world. Owned by millionaires and billionaires, it's all about the money. What else is new?

  204. This issue is about American values. You can debate whether Daryl Morey's support of the democratic Hong Kong protesters is right. What you cannot debate is his right as an American citizen to free speech. The NBA put profits above democracy this weekend.

  205. Organizations based in the USA and stemming from an American sport should support the principles of democracy that America was founded on. It’s disgraceful that the NBA would hesitate. Money really does run the world. Not ideals. Not the promise of freedom. Let’s remember that when mainland China crushes the Hong Kong resistance. The people don’t count, just the potential profit.