A few friends of mine have doodles, and they're all amazing dogs. All breeds have their issues and their quirks, and not all dogs align with what the individual breed suggests.
What I've noticed from a few doodle owners at our local dog park is that they don't always put in the effort to train their dogs. They like the idea of having a pet that won't shed, but don't realize that the dog might not be right for their lifestyle or home. In that case, the dog might be good, but the environment is bad.
Moral of the story: do your research about what it means to have a dog before buying/adopting.
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I'd take my doodle over any other breed. I've had poodles, labs, and golden retrievers and my dog is by far the best I've ever owned. Sweet, smart, and loving.
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I love my doodle!
I have read similar articles about Mr Conron in which he expresses his frustration with current breeding of doodles and his regret over having created this breed. I LOVE my doodle to pieces. He is witty, funny, loving, active, and very social. Mr Conron may regret his creation, I , like many others, am grateful to have such a beautiful dog with such a wonderful personality.
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Really? The poodle cross was "created" in 1989.My friends and I found our first mixes back in the 60's at a Humans Society shelter. They certainly were available for years and years before that. But having grown up around poodles we already knew that anything with poodle blood was bound to be extremely smart, very agile and above all have the nose of a hunting dog. Many have been used for bird hunting. The Germans used them to find the wounded in war time. They need a fence to keep them from wandering, plenty of exercise, activity and companionship, without all of that they can get into trouble and be very grumpy, just like you and I. Perhaps the popularity of, crazy price tag for and subsequent problems of this "new breed" are a product of marketing this very nice mixed breed as something it is not. 45 years after his death my siblings and I still mourn our exceptional poodles, but most especially our poodle mix, Oliver.
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This is ridiculious. I've had two labradoodles and have spent time around many other doodle mixes over the years. They've been some of the sweetest dogs I've ever encountered. My own labrdoodles have been (the first passed away last year, and the loss was painful) smart, affectionate, loyal and playful companions. I wasn't much of a dog person before inviting my first labradoodle into the family. Now I love ALL dogs. In the end (more accurately, the beginning) ALL dogs are mutts. Dogs were originally bred from domesticated wolves. And you can find serious genetic and behavioral issues with "purebreds". Golden retrievers and boxers often die of cancer. Unfortunately there are unruly or disease afflicted pups in every breed or canine label.
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My Australian labradoodle is of the line created by Mr. Conron. Our local breeder is scrupulous, and yes, also making quite a living, breeding and selling these 'designer dogs' at a steep price. Even so, hands down it's the best investment I've ever made. Many of my friends and neighbors agree, as our dog's half-sister and several of his 'cousins' have joined the neighborhood since we got him 4 years ago. I grew up with dogs... Scottish Terrier, 2 Miniature Schnauzers, 3 Labs (two black, one white), a Collie, a Great Dane, three Pekinese, a Bischon-Friese and a few beloved mutts were all part of my close extended family, and every holiday gathering. Many great dogs in that bunch but our labradoodle is by far the most charming, intelligent and even-tempered dog I've ever known. He brings so much love and joy to my entire family, and has turned my cat-preferring, 'maybe we don't need another pet' husband into a DOG lover. Also, he's incredibly soft, smells good for weeks after a bath (or at least until he rolls in something), and he doesn't shed. I feel bad for Mr. Conron. Perhaps he should get himself a furry companion to help him manage his frustrations and anxiety. I'd suggest a labradoodle.
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“They are quirky and fun-loving,” she said. But they don’t like to be left alone.
“If they are not challenged and don’t have people around, then they act out,” she added.
Every poodle breed dog that I’ve ever known required entertainment or they got bored and into trouble.
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I did not believe I would find a dog to equal my golden retriever. Enter Bella, a golden doodle. 10 years down the road, she is, as they say, simply the best.
My wife and I are grateful to Mr. Conron for his invention and we only wish he could someday meet Bella, so that perhaps he would not feel so bad.
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“I bred the labradoodle for a blind lady whose husband was allergic to dog hair,”
Good grief! There are a lot of dogs out there that have hair rather than fur. I have known many a standard poodle and each has been as sweet as they were smart.
Why humans insist on playing "God" is beyond me. All good intensions aside, even the name "labradoodle" sounds silly.
Labs are perfect dogs. Poodles, especially the standard ones, are so cool and regal. Why mess with perfection?
I'm truly sorry that so many people have and had negative experiences with this mixed breed.
We adopted a puppy one time. This little guy detested my husband, but fell in love with me. It was awkward for a few weeks. Unfortunately, the previous owner never gave the puppy any shots and he came down with parvo. As desperately as the vet tried, this puppy could not be saved.
Just because not every dog bonds with every human does not mean the dog is a lost cause or is crazy. It just means their standards could be higher than ours.
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I don't know anything about these dogs' health or disposition, but just wanted to point out that calling them a "breed" as is done several times in the article is misleading. They're actually a mixed breed, or the offspring of two different breeds--AKA, a mutt. I'm a big fan of mixed breeds myself, but would prefer to adopt one from a shelter or rescue rather than pay the shocking prices breeders generally charge for these dogs. But that's just me.
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There is no denying the cuteness of the “doodles” . I just find it ridiculous that so many will pay thousands for what are essentially designer mutts bred to make breeders rich. Remember the puggle craze from a few years ago? They were also incredibly cute. And then people realized they had all the
breathing problems of the pug and the behavioral problems of the beagle. Adopt a rescue dog that will love you forever and not just be a status symbol.
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"A spokeswoman for the American Kennel Club, which does not recognize the breed, said the organization made it “a point not to comment on breeds, especially, negatively.”
“Every dog will have its days, so to speak,” said the spokeswoman, Brandi Hunter."
The AKC itself is culpable in the genetic messes known as purebred dogs. The AKC allows the individual breed club members to determine desired traits in each breed. The clubs often care more about aesthetics than health, inbreeding dogs that lead to cancers, dysplasia, brachycephaly, ad infinitum.
Most white dogs found in shelters who are deaf and/or blind are the direct result of merle to merle breeding by unscrupulous AKC breeders. One of the more disgusting trends was breeding shelties for small eyes, leading to eye anomalies and blindness in a beloved breed. Shelties (Shetland Sheepdogs) and Australian Sheepdogs are the two of the breeds suffering from merle to merle breeding, but it's spreading to others like chihuahuas and daschunds. It's all about the money and perceived prestige for these people.
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Is that mixed metaphor, "I opened a Pandora box and released a Frankenstein monster", an intentional joke on the mixed-breed subject?
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Our Labradoodle comes from a careful breeder and she is a complete gem. Obedient, funny, sociable, no hangups, no issues, healthy, fun, sweet, amenable and adorable. Bottom line: buy from a good breeder.
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Dog breeding needs to be regulated! As it stands now, anyone can become a backyard breeder or start a puppy mill, and make lots and lots of money.
Folks who spend thousands of dollars on one of these dogs are just as culpable as the breeders.
For every 1 calm, well-adjusted doodle there are 9 crazy hyper spazzy ones. Just ask any dog walker, trainer, or groomer, as we get to know many dogs over many years.
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“I find that the biggest majority are either crazy or have a hereditary problem,” he said.
He’s talking about the dogs right?
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This same article, close to, but not exactly, word for word, appeared in the New York Post in September 2018.
https://nypost.com/2018/09/22/why-the-inventor-of-the-labradoodle-regretted-his-creation/
But this isn't a syndicated article like AP right?
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We adopted a labradoodle when she was 18 months old. She is loving and beautiful and does not shed. She’s too smart for her own good really. She can unzip bags, open pedal bins, filing cabinets (uses her lower jaw for the recessed handle) and is forever being naughty. Tall and food driven, it is an enormous struggle to eat with her around. She’s a total empath and sweet natured but also demanding of attention and time and quite neurotic in some ways. She was wild when we first got her and used to run through the forest with no regard to her safety. Get pet insurance if you get a dog! With training she has improved but she’s a high-energy handful. I warn people not to get labradoodles unless they are prepared for daily five mile walks and a ton of time and attention. Low maintenance they are not. But we adore her. Does anyone know (or notice) why doodles always seem to perk up when they see another doodle? It’s like they recognize family!
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I've certainly witnessed the irrational behavior of labradoodles who belonged to a friend of mine. An elderly woman, they proved to be a hazard to her by pulling her around and causing her to fall. One seemed very depressed and unhappy with his own behavior. A dog that constantly needs calming is not a proper dog. The fanaticism of dog owners needs curbing and training as much as any dog does.
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I think the breed is just fine. If there's a problem it's at the breeder level or owner level. We have a bernedoodle (bernese mountain dog and poodle) and he's been a great dog. It's no different than any other mixed breed. He has the intelligence of the poodle and endurance and strength of the bernese. When I think monster, I don't think doodle, people just want to judge others because they know how much they are paying for a mixed breed dog.
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Labrador retrievers are perfect, why mess with perfection?
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@Audie
I adore labs, but am allergic to them.
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Actually, the cockapoo was the first “designer dog”, bred in the late 1950’s.
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@Alan Hymanson
They may not have been called "designer dogs", but cross breeds have been around for centuries.
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The AKC refuses to deal with “designer dogs” and congenital defects. Keep registering dogs no matter the problem.
In Hawai’i our working dogs (military, police, TSA, and service dogs) were from Australia; they bred dogs to be hard working for sheep and cattle stations.
Here on the Mainland they’re bred to be “cute.”
Hawai’i and Australia are both rabies free--so we got all of our pups from kennels in Sydney. SMART! No defects.
I'm here in Georgia and continued my avocation of training working dogs free (50 years) along with being an MD.
I wanted to work with a Golden Retriever for a kid’s service dog. All the breeders here were “designing” Irish cream “Golden" Retrievers--white coats instead of golden. Crazy! HAD evolved to be great hunting and working dogs as Goldens!
No real “Goldens” so I bought a Cream from an “A+” breeder. $2K pups. (Most rescue dogs don’t work out as intelligent, reliable working dogs.)
After multiple trips to the vet from 8 weeks, it took 2 years to find major defects.
1) Undescended testicle--Genetic. Surgery is necessary to open abdomen to remove testicle or it becomes cancerous.
2)Atopic Dermatitis-Severe skin/digestive allergies. Prescription foods, $250 Cytopoint injections monthly and other meds.
3) He’d go 30 ft before collapsing! Vet hospital, found to have paralyzed laryngeal folds (voice box). Can’t release heat by panting! No cure.Keep him in 62 degrees!
I’m FURIOUS! Here’s a pup who WANTS to run and play!
He’s my pet now.
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@Nuschler
I'm sorry to hear about your dog's health issues.
I'm not sure where your breeder claims to have an A+ rating from. As far as I know, there is no rating system for dog breeders.
Any breeder who advertises "English/Irish Cream" or "White" Golden Retrievers is NOT a reputable breeder. There is wide range of acceptable coat colors for Golden Retrievers and breeders should not be breeding exclusively for color. Structure, health, and temperament should always come first. There are many responsible and dedicated breeders in the Golden Retriever community, but unfortunately there are even more unethical and incompetent breeders. If you choose to purchase another golden in your lifetime, I would urge you to spend the time researching reputable breeders. A reputable breeder should be able to provide documentation for multiple generations of health testing behind the sire and dam.
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I have two hybrid poodle dogs- one is a saint and the other is definitely our little sinner. I’m not sure being a doodle has anything to do with it. The sweet one was bred to be a therapy dog and doesn’t even know how to growl. The latter, well he pees on my fireplace when I’m not home. That being said, I love them all the same. Being a true dog lover, you take the good with the naughty.
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One human's "nuts" are another's "hilarious" "great prez," etc. In almost all things.
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Goldendoodles were unavailable for comment, but nodded along as the report was read to them.
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My golden doodle and I are both nodding along as we read this story.
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@Cat V My poodle and I are nodding off as I read this to him
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My daughter and her family are the proud owners of Leo, a wonderful golden-doodle. Leo is four years old now and has been the best family dog one could wish for. He’s affectionate, gentle, funny, and loving. There’s not a mean bone in his body. I’ve been around a lot of different breeds in my day, and I’ve found many to be more high strung and temperamental than this beautiful dog.
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We bought a labradoodle ten years ago from a responsible breeder because my son and I have severe allergies to most animals. Wolsey has been an absolute joy! He is calm, playful, friendly, and rarely barks. He is not the most obedient dog, but that is more a result of our inconsistent approach to training. He does require regular grooming and I notice if his fur gathers dust, it will exacerbate my allergies. He is patient with small children--I have five young nieces who regularly play with him. I have tried for years to rescue another labradoodle to be Wolsey's companion, but no one gives them up! They are one of the most common breeds in our area and everyone I know who has one adores them! If doodles are such monsters, why do you never see them available at shelters and rescue organizations?
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It gives me no great joy to read this article as it saddens me that these poor dogs have been bred so indiscriminately resulting in a hybred mix of weird conformation and personality defects.
I grew up with Labradors and know a fair bit about Poodles and for the life of me can not understand why Mr Conron would breed these two very distinct breeds knowing how different their personalities are . Why not suggest to his friend that they get a Standard Poodle a breed that does not shed and as much as any dog can works well for people with pet allergies. Standard Poodles are super smart highly trainable and could in all probability be trained as a Guide Dog.
I am sure there are many pet owners who are very happy with their Labradoodle, or other Doodle dog
However I personally know of friends who have had shall we say less than happy experiences .
Such as a Labradoodle puppy growing almost to the size of an Irish Wolfhound, he is a loved family pet but not what his owners thought they were buying into. Or on two occasions that I know of personally where Labradoodles were purchased by people with young children and the dogs turned out to have dispositions totally unsuitable for a young family and had to be placed with family members who had no children.
If someone wants to have a dog join their family and has done their research on the breed that best meets their needs I suggest that they stick with the breed, and not go for one of these crossbreed Doodle dogs.
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I have two Labradoodles and they are wonderful, sensitive, funny dogs. They are fantastic with kids, including my 7 month old who crawls all over them.
They do act out if they don't get their walks and jump when you come in the door - but those issues are my fault as the owner, not theirs.
With that said, I also got them from a reputable, small-scale breeder who checked any dogs they'd mate for genetic issues as well as temperament issues before breeding. The puppies were then raised in the house with family before going home to their forever families - who were screened before being allowed to get a dog.
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There are records of Cockapoos being bred since the 1950s. Which would mean purposefully bred hybrid dogs were actually created decades before Conron bred the first Labradoodle. I think this article gives this guy too much credit.
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As much as the ‘Doodles make me smile with their goofy, happy personalities, I see this as one more example of breeding gone wrong, despite the best of original intentions. In the quest for “designer dogs,” or the “perfect dogs,” far too many people have lost sight that these are living, breathing creatures that deserve good, healthy lives. They are not fashion accessories.
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Almost all the doodles I’ve ever met were ...not very bright and always came off as poorly trained. I understand this man’s regret.
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“All dogs are crazy,” she said.
Clearly, this individual never met our perfect dog, Abby.
Her manners, disposition, affection, love, humor and compassion far exceeded most humans I know.
I tend to believe more humans than dogs are crazy and dogs are simply either misunderstood, abused, neglected, or lack love.
Dogs are perfect the way they are - until humans mess them up.
Adopt and give a dog a loving home.
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The “breeders” who creat these hybrid creatures are disgusting people who are adding to the population of pets, many of whom are not cared for properly, do not get spayed or neutered, and add millions of more unwanted animals who must suffer needlessly.
This is another form of puppy mill and it needs to stop. If you love animals so much, you can rescue one from a shelter and give them a loving home. The appetite for “hybrids” proves that many people are only interested in esthetics, and not caring for an animal if it doesn’t have an appealing look or isn’t “cute” enough.
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My labradoodle is the most well-adjusted dog I've had, ever. And believe me, my young children have challenged her greatly. I got her from a reputable and well-vetted breeder in my area. My daughter has dog and cat allergies and as long as she weashes her hands after being licked, she does nt react. She's sweet, so so smart, and perfectly healthy. We joke that she can't wait until I leave the house so she can sleep on the couch uninterrupted for 6 hours. she's is definitely human-focused, and I've never had a dog that was so utterly devoted and bonded with me...I feel so flattered. I obviously disagree with these dogs being characterized as crazy and unhealthy.
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@5280 Liz
Anecdotes don’t equal data. I’m an MD who works A LOT with working dogs.
If you would read Veterinary Peer Review Journals--vets in research vet hospitals are finding an overwhelming number of terrible congenital defects in “designer dogs."
Many breeders for designer dogs end up euthanizing 4 of the 6 newborn pups. THIS is actual research!
You got one of a litter that turned out OK.
“Reputable well-vetted” breeders may only be selling the few pups that turn out right.
What you fail to mention is:
1) Does she always follow all IMPORTANT basic commands? Down, sit, stay, drop it!, down, fetch...and never jumps on people. Takes intelligence.
2) How is she to walk 2-4 miles a day? Every day? I don’t mean playing fetch with a frisbee or taking her to a dog park..walking at your side without pulling? Dogs MUST get adequate exercise or they develop heart disease.
3) Is she getting adequate stimulation? Dogs need to be active! “Sleeping uninterrupted for 6 hours on the couch?” You have an allergic child and allow this dog on the couch??
I get my info from 50 years of training working dogs. We used the Walt Disney method. I even got to watch the Belgian Malinois working with Seal Team 6 at Dam Neck Naval Base, VA. I met Cairo-the dog who jumped from the helicopter with his handler in Osama bin Laden’s compound.
You and your dog need to be working partners. Dogs are not “furbabies.” They’re bred to be active.
All of my info is from TOP trainers and vets.
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@Nuschler
"Many breeders for designer dogs end up euthanizing 4 of the 6 newborn pups. THIS is actual research!"
Do you have a source for this? That's quite a claim to make without a source.
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In tomorrow's issue the Times will publish an interview with God in which he expresses deep remorse for creating humans.
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@Tricoastal Steve
Or she expresses remorse...
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I love it. " All dogs are crazy." Well said. I guess all people are crazy too, but we're talking human beings here -- who may care for you when you're old, earn a living, invent a cure for cancer.
Dogs do what? They poop, shed, bark, dig, bite, and chew on your favorite shoes and new couch. They also cost a lot of money and take a lot of time.
The number one reason I don't have a dog aside from the above is their annoying, insatiable insistence for attention. I did that -- I had toddlers once. I lived through it, but they grew up, thank G. I can't imagine anything worse than a barking, jumping, licking, drooling furball that won't leave me alone and always wants something except when sleeping or eating. Are you dog lovers that desperate for love and adoration? You do know other cultures eat them? This is definitely a first world problem, along with designer handbags.
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My dog simply was my reason for coming home during my most difficult times. Perhaps you haven’t had that “once in a lifetime” dog, but when you do, it’s a bond that can’t be explained. To each their own, but your comment made me feel compelled to respond.
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@Mary Rivkatot
I agree, they can be annoying, especially when owners don't control them. Otherwise a real special shout out to all service dogs, military dogs, police digs, blood hounds (who actually find and save victims), ... glad we have them, they are quite amazing.
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We have a goldendoodle. She’s the cutest and most loving dog ever. She does not shed but she can’t be left alone. Total separation anxiety. She rules our life.
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Every dog breed was a mutt of sorts. Doodles were bred for a purpose -- to be beautiful and not shed. I have two sheepadoodles that require a lot of work but reward every ounce of it by being fabulous and fun companions. Despite his remorse, I am thankful to Wally for starting a practice that gave me my two best friends.
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We adopted a standard (white) poodle scheduled to be euthanized by her breeder when it was discovered the dog had Addison's disease. Our dog who lived to be 12 with monthly injections at the University vet clinic close to us was trained as a show dog and expected to be used in the breeder's breeding program.
White standard poodles are often at risk for Addison's. Although the breeder was popular, her market area was small and the number of potential males with the right genetics to mate was limited. As much as we loved our dog, she should not have been bred or sold. Her breeder acted responsibly by allowing the University to place her with an experienced rescue family able to provide her with appropriate health care. As a neutered pet, our dog found her best purpose and did not pass on compromised genes.
Many breeders of "purpose-bred" dogs and cats do not act responsibly and popular breeds are compromised by ignorance or rushing to sell dogs and cats with genetic issues. Membership in a national organization is not enough to guarantee competence as a breeder. Do research before purchasing the next family member.
I have also rescued many Persian cats and kittens with significant heart issues, kidney problems, overbites and in one extreme case, a tail which was so reduced in blood flo that it dropped off when the blood vessels completely closed.
Animals suffer needlessly because the humans in charge of them are too-profit oriented, too ignorant or unregulated.
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Doodle "breeders" are only breeding to make money. They are not striving to meet a well vetted breed standard. It's all about the money and they could care less about the dogs. People pay thousands of dollars for this "breed" making it a profitable business which make these "breeders" nothing more than fancy puppy mills. In addition, no reputable Poodle/Golden Retriever/Labrador Retriever/Bernese Mountain Dog/Old English Sheepdog etc. breeder is going provide their top dogs to use as breeding stock for a doodle line so these doodles start with the bottom of the barrel when it comes to genetic quality. It's no wonder they experience a lot of health and behavior problems.
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Curmudgeons always have opinions, so let me share mine. I've always preferred mixed-breed dogs, sometimes called mutts. But a couple of years ago we got a golden doodle and she has made our lives a complete and total joy. All she asks in return is a good daily walk, a bite or two of our meals (in addition to her food) and regular games of tug of war. She tries to make friends with her tonkinese cat sister but that project has not been a huge success in spite of her numerous attempts. I can't speak for all doodle dogs, but ours is wonderful.
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Exactly summarizes the experience with my doodle too. Plus she’s very sweet with kids. Trust worthy.
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Any dog breed (or mixed-breed dog) that becomes highly fashionable tends to become expensive. Which means that more and more breeders (inc. the puppy mill variety) get involved...and problems arise.
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We had to unfortunately put our labradoodle down this summer, after living a great life. However, he was the best dog I've ever had. He never met a stranger, was amazing with our young children, friendly with other dogs, and never had an aggressive or crazy bone in his body. We considered him a true family member and miss him dearly. I 100% will consider getting another as our next dog.
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I have a rescue Maltese/Poodle mix. She's bright, incredibly playful & loves visiting all our neighbors. She has no health issues & worst problem is picky eating. Same could be said with my previous dog.
My sister purchased 3 black labs from two "reputable breeders" throughout the years. Her dogs have been plagued with multiple health issues including hip dysplasia common to the breed. She's spent a fortune on surgeries & veterinary care. I know others with pure breed dogs who have similar issues.
Having a "mutt" especially a rescue, makes the most sense to me.
Puppy mills will continue to exist as long as people buy dogs from pet stores & profitable breeders. States should outlaw these inhumane, cruel, heartless businesses.
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I had two of them acquired by the "old maid" next store to me. Barking incessantly, and very loudly, from a distance of maybe 15 feet, at most hours of the day, I was soon forced to move from my home of around 50 years. To be fair to the old maid, there was a bar manager woman who moved in right behind me who a little yapping dog and a german shepherd puppy, both were left to bark in her back yard most all day, every day. Even though I used to have a dog or two back in my youth, I now absolutely hate dogs and their owners who can't control them. But the happy ending is that I moved to Arkansas and my nearest neighbor cannot be seen through the thick forests around my house and I hear no dogs barking for the most part. If I do they are a long ways off.......
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I have a rescue Maltese/Poodle mix. She's bright, incredibly playful & loves visiting all our neighbors. She has no health issues & worst problem is picky eating. Same could be said with my previous dog.
My sister purchased 3 black labs from two "reputable breeders" throughout the years. Her dogs have been plagued with multiple health issues including hip dysplasia common to the breed. She's spent a fortune on surgeries & veterinary care. I know others with pure breed dogs who have similar issues.
Having a "mutt" especially a rescue, makes the most sense to me.
Puppy mills will continue to exist as long as people buy dogs from pet stores & profitable breeders. States should outlaw these inhumane, cruel, heartless businesses.
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We needed a hearty low allergy dog for a child with ASD. We got a standard poodle. When he's shaggy, people assume he's a labradoodle. When he's groomed, a different demographic likes him.
If he was the human he thinks he is, he'd need therapy. "Oh, I thought he was a doodle." "It's good to see a real poodle." "My dog doesn't like poodles." "Is he a show dog, can I have a picture with him?"
Poodles seem to carry a stigma that doodles don't. But coat-wise, doodles are just as high maintenance. And they can cost more $, be bred under shakier (backyard) conditions, and still shed.
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@Hudson River Yes, poodles do carry a stigma, often based on the way they're portrayed in the media.
I've never met a Standard Poodle that wasn't a joy to be around.
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labradoodles can be very high strung. goldendoodles always seem very easy going.
it depends how they are raised and cared for. if they are crated
continuously or poorly socialized, any dog will misbehave.
the advice given to new performers at the grand ole opry works best...
“go out and love them, and they’ll love you right back!”
amen
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Bravo, to this scientist. He has the courage to speak the truth about his own creation. This is not insulting to the the poor labradoodles that a multitude of people now own. It is an eye opener. It is time science did not envelop information with the ‘pc’ attitude. Folks need to grow up. Really, if you stuff your fingers in your ears and declare your dog to be fantastic, it is rather quite silly. Please take this information in the right way, so you can recognize any problems your dog might have, triggers for behavioral issues etc. and use it to benefit both yourselves and the poor dogs in question.
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This article is incomplete. Australian multi-gen labradoodles are bread australian labradoodle to australian labroodle at least five generations and are great therapy dogs which should be distinguished from the "doodle" craze. The writer should have done a little more research on the reputable breeders which exist.
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Expect astronomical vet bills on this one. Get a mutt from the pound, they'll pay back in love.
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Many of these comments are anecdotal. Just because you know a labradoodle that isn't 'crazy', doesn't mean there aren't problems with the breed.
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Gotta comment that Mr. Conron seems to be exhibiting the temperamental quirks of his own breed. Now, this is just anecdotal on my part, but I have found that many involved in dog breeding exhibit strange behavior ... some might call it 'crazy.'
Guess what? Labradoodles are mutts. Plain and simple. The fact that so many have fallen in love with them actually supports the conclusion that they are great dogs.
The world of dog breeding/sales and dog ownership has many problems. However, there is no reason to lay the sins of unethical dog breeders and unwise dog owners at Labradoodle paws.
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My Australian Cobber dog (sometimes called a Labradoodle) Libby is smart, charming, fun-loving, gentle, and just the love of my life. Libby is good with little kids and adults, other dogs, the vacuum cleaner, motorcycles (she used to love when a group of bikers rolled into town in front of the ice cream place), CATS (of which we have two), but alas, not squirrels because I wanted more excitement on our walks and brought out her prey drive (big mistake). Libby's breeder, Berkshire Hills, is so careful in its work to make sure the breed stays true. The creator of Labradoodles really needs to do his research better. The article is an injustice! When Libby read it, she woofed like mad.
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@P Muldoon
Labradoodles (or "Cobberdogs"...a made-up name) are not a "breed"--they are an intentional crossbred. Unlike the Labrador and poodle which are true breeds, who breed true and produce progeny of predictable type, these "doodle" dogs are by definition mongrels.
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I have had poodles for 20 years now - a mini and a standard - because of my allergies. They are super intelligent, loyal, graceful, athletic, loving and a bit goofy. In my mind, they are the perfect dog. I never understood why people wanted a watered down poodle mutt when pure bred poodles are so awesome. Then I understood that it was to somehow "improve" another breed. Such a waste of good poodle genes.
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@Stella B.
I could not agree more!
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@Stella B.
I don't get it either. The non-shedding Doodles are often mostly poodle. And I hear owners telling groomers (when we bring our standard and they are dropping Doodles): "What ever you do, don't make XXX look like a poodle." It's all really odd.
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The “oodle” dogs cater to a specific clientele that wants the best of both worlds, meaning, the best traits of the two ancestor breeds. Of course, that also means you run the risk of getting the worst of both worlds. I’d love to hear more from the original creator. Why does he feel so much regret about the direction his invention has taken? Could it be that there are too many breeders churning out these dogs without sufficient quality standards?
There are plenty of fun-loving, hypoallergenic breeds out there that a person with specific needs can investigate, such as the Wirehaired Pointing Griffon or the Spinone. These breeds are rigorously maintained for health and good behavior and also cost LESS than the designer dogs.
For potential buyers without special needs, I suggest a visit to your local shelter.
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The wirehaired pointing griffon is NOT hypoallergenic. It just has lower dander relative to other breeds that are not poodles, however many do shed or cause allergies. It’s truly a mistake to label such dogs hypoallergenic
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@Ken: Hypoallergenic is not a synonym for “non-allergenic.” That is your mistake. The term means LESS likely. Look it up. Any given breed may be more or less likely to produce the allergens an other brees, and any given dog within a breed may be more or less likely than other dogs within that breed.
So where is my mistake?
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@E. Chother: Sure, if you believe everything on the internet including made-up marketing terms. There's no such thing as a "hypoallergenic" dog (or cat for that matter). Factually, neither wirehaired pointing griffons or spinone are hypoallergenic dogs. Don't take my word for it: https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/pet-allergy/expert-answers/hypoallergenic-dog-breeds/faq-20058425
Also, if I am interested in the health and temperament of a breed, I would be investigating in the COI % of that breed (with lower % being more desirable). But you needn't ask me it's not like I've been responsibily breeding dogs for 30 years. Keep on with your "hypoallergenic" list of dogs who have wonderful temperaments and no health conditions : )
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We have a miniature labradoodle and he is exceptionally cute. We wanted a lab as a companion and to train as a service dog. We chose a labradoodle after we discovered that our family is allergic to the long hair variety.
We got him when he was 18 months old from a reputable breeder. He is a great dog, he’s exceptionally attentive to one member of our family, and we love him very much. That said, he became aggressive toward children when he was about 21 months old. Fortunately, he’s never bitten anyone. But it’s sad and confusing when we have to tell curious and excited children that he’s not friendly.
He’s our first dog and he’s pretty easy, but I’m mystified by his aggression - “crazy” may explain it.
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A neighbor of mine had a Labradoodle. He and the dog went walking early in the mornings. I often saw them on my drive to work. They had to cross the street from the park to get to their home. The dog (Harley was his name, I later learned) sat on his haunches while they waited, looking to the left and right, just as his master did, to check the traffic before crossing. That was the most beautiful and smartest looking dog I've ever seen! I parked my car one day so I could meet Harley. Gorgeous brown curly hair, smart, impeccable manners. Oh how I loved him!
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@Hi There
People across the street from me have a white Labradoodle who acts the same way!
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I take our mini golden doodle to a huge off leash dog park every day and see almost every breed out there. He plays with lots and lots of dogs and many are doodles. (I understand there are more than 50 variations of poodle mixes).
Every single one I have seen on my walks are wonderful as are all of the dogs in this park, that allows only well behaved and vaccinated dogs.
Our doodle is a little nuts but is also hilarious. He is happy, fun loving and very gentle with our grandchildren. We had to work on his jumping but he would never bite and has shown no aggression.
While Wally may regret his "Frankenstein" breed, I want to thank him for all of the happiness our beast has brought us.
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I’ve met plenty of wonderful doodles, but I worry that they seem to attract owners who aren’t fully committed to their needs. Low shedding does not mean low maintenance. Any poodle mix will require regular professional grooming in addition to daily line brushing to prevent matting. Most suburban families who want a cute, cuddly, teddy bear dog don’t have the time and energy to do that. Also, the recent trend of mixing poodles with large and giant breeds is creating some absurdly oversized dogs. The breeders producing these bernedoodles and newfedoodles are not honest about the predicted size of these dogs. I know someone with a bernedoodle who was told by the breeder that it would be 40 lbs full grown. Haha, he’s not even a year old and he comes up to my waist. A dog that size with a poodle mix coat is a will probably cost $2000/year to groom. Overall, I think the whole doodle trend has created a lot of problems in and effort to solve a small problem. I’ve lived with golden retrievers my whole life and, honestly, the shedding is not that bad. Besides, most people with dog allergies are allergic to the saliva, not just the fur.
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@Susan I agree completely! I had a poodle rescue years ago and the grooming was time consuming and costly--plus the dog was like a dust mop and I'm allergic to dust. I've had "shedders" since and they are so much easier to care for and they stay cleaner. The whole idea of a "hypoallergenic" dog is pure marketing. It's often, as you say, the saliva or the oil on the fur, which is different depending on the breed. (And person!)
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@hkr Exactly! I think they’re wonderful dogs, but I wouldn’t own one for the same reason I wouldn’t own a purebred poodle... the grooming. I spend enough time and money taking care of my own unwieldy hair. :)
At least reputable poodle breeders are up front about the grooming needs of their breed. I’ve heard the craziest things form doodle owners that they were told by their breeder. Like, “don’t get them groomed until they’re at least 1”, and “never shave a doodle”. With that advice, you have a lot of people showing up to grooming shops with full grown dogs who have never been desensitized to grooming and are matted to the skin. Then the owner is crying about having to shave their dog. What a great idea!
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My folks have a 75lb. F1B labradoodle (the result of a poodle bred with a 1st generation labradoodle). They got him in 2008 because many family members are allergic to fur. He is super smart, a tad mischievous and vocal when he wants attention or spots food on the street or the kitchen counter unattended (certainly not more so than any labrador I have met), but not crazy. He loves people, affection, and routine. He was a great hiker when he was younger and still loves to take walks and play and has a bounce in his step. He is also a great swimmer. When I take care of him, I can't walk down the street without someone stopping me to ask about him. He is a beautiful dog. He has no eye problems. His only major health issue started when he was 10 and it is that he has copper storage syndrome, which is common in labradors and is now under control with medication.
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I interviewed an actual biologist about the idea of hypo-allergenic pets some years ago.
He told me, and the American Lung Association will affirm this fact, that there is no such thing as a hypoallergenic pet since it is the dander, not the hair, that causes a reaction.
When I pressed him on the issue of finding a way for an allergic child to have a pet, he told me he would recommend they keep the pet in a plastic bag. (specifically to keep the hamster in a baggie) He went on to say the pet would die, of course, but it would be an actual hypoallergenic pet as opposed to a presumed, and fake, hypoallergenic pet.
I think of that every time I hear someone praise their labradoodle as hypoallergenic. The lack of shedding does not mean the pet does not have skin and all skin has dander and dander is what causes allergies.
The experiment was a failure as science but wow, you have to admit, it was a great marketing success.
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And yet many reactive people react much less or not at all to poodles. Even the occasional cat will not set off a cat allergic person.
My husband reacts in seconds - and soon needs to get away from - most cats and dogs. What a blessing it was when a little stray cat found him, in his grad student low rent days, and became his only pet as she (looking like one of those “Siberian Forest cats” sometimes advertised) lived the rest of her life with him, then us, caused no reaction in him or anyone else we knew.
Breeds or types, and individual animal’s makeup, do make a difference, whatever the “cause”.
Your expert was not really correct, in terms of whether reactive people might have the chance to love an animal in their lives.
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@Stephanie
There are different degrees of allergies; if you're likely to go into anaphylactic shock, then no, there is no "hypollargenic" dog. But for a very significant portion of people, dogs that don't shed, like poodles, are a wonderful solution. I have had standard poodles for over 20 years and am so grateful for them. You do take a risk when you get a "doodle" because there is no way to determine which breed will be dominant so you may end up with a shedder.
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@AB
@AB you're not bothered by your dog because you love your dog and you're able to dismiss any mild symptoms you might have.
Sorry but science doesn't care about your nuances.
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It’s interesting to hear the creator express sincere regret for his creation. Breeding dogs to benefit a disabled population, to help improve their quality of life, is a noble act. But it’s interesting to reflect on how one tiny act - trying to find a way to re-home a couple of puppies - can ripple out in very unexpected ways.
I think this article also speaks to how willingly and uncritically we can accept marketing claims at face value - a designer, hypo-allergenic dog! - without stepping back, and pausing for reflection, especially when it comes to who exactly is harmed/benefits from these highly persuasive, tantalizing claims.
I’ve owned pure bred dogs as well as rescues. I’ve fostered and transported abandoned dogs back from the rural Midwest where many have unfairly been dumped (and traumatized in the process) for what reasons, I can’t know. I can understand individuals and families choosing specific breeds or wanting to go through breeders for all sorts of reasons.
Unlike other consumer fads and designer goods, dogs are sentient beings. We have a responsibility to do right by them.
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We have two; an 11 year old and a one year old, from the same breeder. They are the best dogs ever. The older dog has had no problems whatsoever, and is still going strong, hence our decision to get another dog from the same source. There are good breeders and bad breeders; this is true of any 'purebred' animal.
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The genetic facts, as opposed to anecdotes from people who understandably love their dogs: if you cross two breeds you do not get a "designer dog", and you don't get a mutt (unknown parentage, not purposely bred). You get an F1 hybrid. A crossbreed. There is one advantage to F1 hybrids which any geneticist (or livestock breeder) knows: hybrid vigor, which is the effect of increased heterozygosity in the genome. This advantage disappears in later crosses. Both Labs and Poodles have significant genetic problems due to inbreeding. The ones they do not share are going to show up less in their progeny -- but they also share some (such as hip displaysia). Those won't go away.
Somehow, F1 Hybrid Dogs doesn't have the same marketing appeal as Designer Dogs though.
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@kms You can also reduce the risk of your dog suffering from joint disease and genetic disorders by purchasing a pure bred puppy from a reputable breeder who does CHIP genetic testing and OFA clearances for both parents of the litter.
Reputable Labrador and Poodle breeders would NEVER sell one of their dogs to a breeder who produces mixed breeds. So, you have to realize that they breeding stock being used to produce most doodles is not the highest quality. I would rather purchase a purebred poodle puppy with several generations of documented health clearances in its pedigree than take a gamble with two backyard bred dogs of different breeds.
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As a retired veterinary technician and lifelong dog lover, I have seen my share of "doodle" mixes. Nearly all of them were charming, slaphappy, friendly dogs. Some were more active than others, like any individual creature. Three doodles volunteer at the hospital where my sister volunteers and they are revered as calm, preternaturally empathetic members of the volunteer team. I have known only one of this breed who was truly out of control and I suspect a lot of it was training issues from totally unprepared elderly owners. I wish the creator would let up on himself a bit! He has done at least as much good as harm. I, too, believe in rescuing over breeding, but they are here now and largely much loved!
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I own an F1 labradoodle and hands down, it is the best dog I have owned in my entire life.
It isn’t crazy.
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I think this guy just wants attention. My Dad has a Labradoodle and she is just the best dog and his favorite of the many dogs our family has had over the years. Puppy mills will, sadly, turn out whatever is popular, but these dogs are so popular because they are adorable, loving, and intelligent—not something to be criticized!
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Puppy mills create nightmares of any breed or fad mix. Yes, many doodles are nuts. But any dog bred solely for money, without regard to health or temperament, and raised as livestock can end up the same. Buyer beware. Those websites can look as loving and responsible as anything. Dig deeper.
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The designer dog craze is ridiculous! Doodle this and doodle that; folks just buy a Poodle.
Our Standard Poodle is an amazing animal that bears all the traits that the designer breeders seek to capitalize on. He is intelligent, loving, great around small children, obedient, and makes for a wonderful companion day in and out.
In other words buy the Ferrari and not the Fiero.
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I have a lovely Miniature Poodle. I’ve trained her to be a certified therapy dog with Therapy Dogs International, she also earned her “AKC Good Citizen”. I have dog allergies, too. I cringe when people are surprised that she’s a purebred...from a lovely breeder, a Miniature Poodle, and not a “Doodle”, and when I have to explain there’s no such thing as a “non-allergenic dog. I’m allergic to my dog, but I’ve managed living with her. My mini cost me $800, plus the time I spent trying to find a reputable breeder. In our local newspaper, ads for “Goldendoodles”, etc...$3000!
It’s crazy.
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@Jennifer Ruderman
Props to you for spending the time to find a reputable breeder. So few people are willing to put in the research to do that. People look at me like I'm crazy when I tell them that I waited a year for my puppy. I cared about getting a healthy, well-tempered puppy from a responsible breeder and I was willing wait for that. I too paid less for my pedigreed pure bred dog than many people pay for their doodles.
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@Nature Voter
It's nice that you love your dog. You mention "all the traits designer breeders seek to capitalize on" but you leave out the ones that made the Standard Poodle unsuitable as a service dog (per Mr. Conron). Perhaps the mixed breed owners have found their dogs to be intelligent, loving, great with children, obedient and wonderful companions but thankfully lacking that factor that makes a poodle unsuitable for service.
I always wondered if poodle owners were offended by 'oodle' breeding, recognizing that it as a rejection of something about the purebred poodle. Based on the nasty shot at the end of your comment, I guess I have my answer.
PS: Really NYT? This is the post you recommend? SMH.
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We have a two year old goldendoodle whom we love immensely. However, he is weirdly aggressive with other dogs, and has had hip dysplasia from 10 months old. He had to have surgery for a cherry eye and is now having a $2,000 scope of his nose due to recurrent infections and dry nose. He has recently began losing his fur. He has cost well over $10,000 at this point. I feel sorry for both the dog and us.
We have always had rescue dogs with no problems and have never had a breeder dog, but this time we needed a large and hypoallergenic breed, and we could not find a shelter dog that fit this description. Every vet has told us that his conditions are likely genetic. As I stated, we love him, but we will never have a doodle again. If this is a pattern with these dogs, it is unethical and inhuman to continue to breed them.
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I've never heard anyone speak of a close friend's bloodline. I've never heard anyone describe their plans for breeding a family member with the aim of selling the offspring. I've never heard anyone refer to someone they loved as genetically defective. I've heard that some people talk about "purity" and the dangers of "mixing," when they discuss relationships, and they terrify me.
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Have you lived in a place where people never mention different kinds of tomatoes, roses, corn, wheat, cattle, chicken, horses, sheep, raspberries, grapes, peaches etc etc? Quite apart from eugenics and other human horrors, the breeding-for-characteristics thing has been going on while. Maybe since the dawn of agriculture, or hunting with dogs. Certainly long before Gregor Mendel and his peas! Where you think the ethical limit should be is another question.
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@Nell Lenn
Exactly! Owning a dog is choice. It's okay to want your dog to have specific characteristics, be that temperament, size, or appearance. Purchasing a pure bred dog from a reputable breeder is the best way to make sure you are getting what you want in a companion that you will likely spend 10-15 years with. Predictability is one of the wonderful things about dog breeds. Many people like to claim that a 'dog is a dog,' but that sentiment ignores the wonderful things that make dog breeds distinct. My golden retriever's penchant for retrieving my dirty socks when I toss them on the ground isn't just funny, its a lovely reminder of his behavioral conformation. Just like scent hounds and pointers and terriers, he was born with pre-installed software that makes him do things a certain way. I just don't see the point in creating all of these combinations of breeds when there are so many wonderful ones to enjoy.
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We have a labradoodle and a pure breed AKC registered lab as well. The doodle was a rescue that we adopted when he was 9 weeks old.
Of the two, the doodle is the smartest. But we sill love the lab dearly.
Our lab, which we raised to be a guide dog, does not like to travel in cars and was as such was rejected as a guide dog candidate.
The first puppy we raised, also an AKC registered lab, was successfully trained to be a guide dog, but suffered a massive stroke and had to be euthanized by his person. He also had a case of mange early in life.
The second puppy we raised had allergies and was transferred to a more rural environment to complete his puppy training. He went on to become a successful Dogs for Diabetic and is still working today.
All of today's pure breeds were at some point mutts. Sorry AKC. And pure breeds have their own medical issues. See https://pets.webmd.com/dogs/ss/slideshow-dog-breed-health-problems
Whatever dog you have, love it and take care of it and it will serve you well.
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I have an Australian Labradoodle. She is sweet and well behaved. She is smart and not aggressive. She gets along with my elderly cats. She is not destructive like my Labrador puppies were. I always had labradors and the got into more mischief. Also with a coddle you don’t have to vacuum.
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This dog is a mutt, and through VERY clever marketing and selling to gullible boomers, these dogs fetched prices far beyond what they should have attained.
Having owned five dogs in my lifetime, and never being a purebreed, I have no regrets, Mutts, if trained properly, are happier, healthier, and of better temperament than AKC poster children.
Now having said that, do I enjoy the dignity of a husky, the goofiness of a lab, and the fearlessness of a Jack Russel? Absolutely, but for the reasons above, I love a mutt.
After all, I'm a mutt!
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Bottom line is that the first labradoodle he created successfully helped a blind woman until it died. Nothing to regret.
There are dog owners of pure bred dogs and mutts who don’t properly train their dogs or exercise them.
There are unscrupulous breeders of all kinds too!
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I have the world’s sweetest and playful dog- a labradoodle. He doesn’t shed. He isn’t frantic like a terrier. He doesn’t have breathing problems like bulldogs. He hasn’t attacked anyone like so many Pits and Rotties. He hasn’t had any serious injuries/disorders and he is ten. Not crazy. No hereditary problems.
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The problem is greedy, unscrupulous backyard breeders who know virtually nothing about genetics. These fools mate mothers to sons and brothers to sisters without an ounce of concern about resulting health and mental time bombs waiting to go off.
Inbreeding didn't work out well for the Targaryens and it's a disaster in real life. Wild animals run off their young males at the onset of puberty, forcing them to find mates elsewhere and -- as a side effect -- reducing the possible damage caused by breeding with close relatives.
But add profit-focused humans into the issue and common sense is left in the dirt.
The heartbreak and suffering caused by irresponsible breeders is a curse with a simple solution: Adopt from shelters and rescue organizations, and always spay and neuter!
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@Kris Aaron
If you want a specific breed of dog, there is nothing wrong with purchasing a pure bred puppy from a reputable breeder who preforms the proper health testing and takes responsibility for each and every dog they produce. My breeder specifies in her contract that I am to return my dog directly to her if I can no longer take care of him. No dog produced by her will ever end up in a shelter or rescue.
Unfortunately for fans of the doodle breeds, reputable breeders of these mixes are very very very very hard to come by.
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@Kris Aaron
Don't lay all the blame on "backyard breeders", it's largely the puppy millers and the AKC breeders who are responsible for unhealthy dogs.
Read my stand alone comment for further explanation.
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@nom de guerre Re: Good AKC breeders pay a lot of attention to genetics. The idea is to have no common ancestors for about 6 generations, NO Kissin' Cousins. All the breeders I know do it for the love of the breed, for the cash. You don't get rich breeding dogs.
AKC may deserve a bit of a bad rep. The responsible breeders don't.
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Minnie, a pugaweeniehuahua and Max, a shipperanianhuahua have the physical and mental vigor found in most mutts. Multi breed canines are the best.
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Seriously, we could have the same discussion about any breed, especially as it waxes in popularity. Look at the poor bulldog. What a mess! The original "inventor" of that breed is not at fault. It's the marketing - and where do they get marketed more than by the AKC? People watch the dog shows and say "Ooo Oooo OOooo - I want one!!" Enter: the backyard "breeders" who are out to make a buck on anyone willing to part with their money. These people would be selling a widget if it had the right profit margin.
The AKC takes no blame for the doodles because they didn't let them into the club, but they make no comment about the other AKC-recognized breeds that are genetic/behavioral/physical disasters (read: dalmatian, doberman,Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, Pug, etc.).
If the AKC were to be honest, they'd be kicking out a LOT of the breeds because they are no longer "purpose-driven." How many Great Danes are out there hunting boar? How many dalmatians are accompanying fire trucks and/or protecting against highway robbers?
If you're going to buy a "pure-bred" dog because you like the look of it - do your research and pay the money for the breeder who is ethical. Or just go get a mutt. They all have the same potential to be an excellent buddy. Just be sure you know your responsibility to that life. And be ready for that "breed" to be nothing like you read about - they are all just dogs beneath that coat! Like humans, they come in all types, no matter what the outside looks like.
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@Caroline
"Seriously, we could have the same discussion about any breed...."
Then you don't know about the subject we are discussing.
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I love my purebred, AKC-registered dog. I knew exactly what I was going to get; no surprises. (What the AKC is getting at with "purpose-bred.") It wasn't all about how he would "look" as you suggest. It was about how big he would get, what health problems he would or would not be predisposed to, how he would behave, how easy or hard he would be to care for and train.
I wish people would stop backyard breeding dogs (mixes and "purebreds") that just end up in shelters but it won't happen until people stop buying those dogs (those dogs are cheap compared to purchasing from a reputable breeder, but I would submit if you can't throw down $2K for dog you probably can't really afford to own a dog). I admire people who adopt rescues but I think we should consider why there are so many dogs needing rescue. A purebred from a reputable breeder shouldn't ever end up in a shelter because a reputable breeder will take the dog back and rehome it if there are problems.
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Thank you New York Times for this long over due article. There is a reason pure bred canines have been popular for hundreds of years. It's because they have known qualities and you can have the qualities you prize. These designer dogs are simply mutts. There is no telling how they will behave or what their physical characteristics will be. I hope and pray this ill advised phenomon will soon come to an end.
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I have had standard poodles (or in one case, a substandard) for twenty years. Whenever another breed is crossed with a SP, it only improves the other breed characteristics, and the poodle continues on its proud, prancing way, rarely diminished. Leave these poor poodles alone. If you want a great dog, look no further.
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My dog-sitting friend has a couple of truly egregious Labradoodle stories! I've only met one and "crazy" is definitely the word I'd use! lol
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I prefer German Shepherds
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As a full time, professional trainer who has trained a lot of labradoodles, I used to wonder how you can take a smart dog (poodle) add a dumb dog to the mix and get something that was dumber than the dumb dog. And crazy. There are some exceptions and I've fallen in love with a few and found some fun to train but original breeder was right.
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I can think of few things more arrogant than a man believing he had invented dogs copulating.
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This is just ridiculous
The problem isn’t labradoodles, it is unscrupulous breeders.
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STOP breeding dogs, period. I find the whole subject of this article ludicrous. Millions of shelter dogs are dying so labradoodles can be bred as fashion statements? And just yesterday an article “discovering” that cats feel emotions. While you print all this useless drivel, the world and all its creatures (including humans) are in the 10-year countdown to extinction.
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Genetic diversity is generally a good thing. It's the pure breeds that tend to develop health issues from continued inbreeding.
We have a Golden doodle and he is great.
I find Mr. Conron's faux regret to be arrogant and narcissistic. You invented nothing but a mutt that turned out to be a great dog.
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You called the dog it
Crazy in what ways?
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They prefer bagels over bacon, and couches over dog beds. They would rather sleep alone yet grow the softest dog hair ever that hands can’t stop stroking. On top of that they will fetch a ball enthusiastically, yet not release it from their mouth when returned. Crazy!!
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My cousin had a labradoodle. He was adorable and very sweet but according to my cousin he was also "dumber than a box of rocks." When he said this I asked him how old the dog was. He said he was about a year old. In the dogs defense I said "he's still a puppy. Maybe that's why he's not very smart." My cousin told me that was a valid point.
I live in a community with too many “doodle” dogs. Most of them are unruly, untrained and undisciplined. I am a dog lover with a mixed breed rescue dog who is trained and knows his manners. This article is a revelation.
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@Jane
It would seem, the revelation is, that you might have discovered something of your neighbors themselves through their dogs rather than about the dogs.
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i have a happy/uberfriendly labrador son who sheds like it's his job:)
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I understand that the labradoodles in Australia became a breed of its own - breeding labradoodles together for pure breeds.
It is also my understanding that here in the US most labradoodle breeders mix Labradors and golden retrievers together and thereby avoiding overbreeding mentioned in this article.
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@M. G.
As someone who worked in the veterinary field for years, there are many Labradoodles in the US. Mixed Poodles and Labradors. As there are many Goldendoodles, Golden Retrievers mixed with Poodles. What you mentioned, a Labrador mixed with a Golden Retriever is a Golden Retriever. I am amazed that people will spend thousands of dollars on dogs, while so many are euthanized in shelters. There are many pure breed rescue associations if someone wants a purebred dog. So many dogs are purchased because people want a dog that looks a certain way, but once it starts "acting up" because the dog just simply needs excercise, the dog is taken to a shelter. You can't have a Husky and think it's just going to lie around all day on a dog bed, maybe when it's 12!
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Congrats on the lab-poodle mix breeding success. I've been trying to mix-breed our beloved cat with our beloved dog for years - just to get that perfect blend of pet characteristics. Not successful yet, but we'll keep experimenting.
We just love our pets so much. What could go wrong?
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@RR
Good luck with your effort. Let us know what you come up with.
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My family dog when I was growing up was a standard poodle/ black lab mix. She was amazing. She did get herself into a mess of trouble, though, on a regular basis. Lived to 14. We mourned her like a sister.
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Stop. Breeding. Pets.
So many dogs/cats/etc already need homes. Particularly older animals that are often overlooked.
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@PmOC
If we stop breeding pets, there will eventually be no more pets. What is needed is better control over breeding, perhaps through licensing and consistent enforcement of strict regulations for breeders and required spay/neuter of all animals considered as companion pets.
I'm in a state known as the puppy mill capitol of the U.S.
Even though voters passed a law regulating dog breeding by a large margin, the republicans in the state house saw fit to weaken the law enough to render it ineffective.
If you're a dog lover, keep animal rights in mind when you vote.
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While I admire people who adopt rescues, and some cross breeds look and sound adorable, I have always gone to reputable breeders of "recognized" breeds for our dogs.
When our wheaten terrier died in the early 1990's I approached the president of the Wheaten Terrier Society of Ontario to find a breeder so we could get a puppy. To our surprise he said that the breed had become so popular so fast that it had developed serious health issues due to overbreeding and he warned us against getting another wheaten puppy.
We did some homework and quickly fell in love with another breed - the PBGV - not well known, healthy, fun, adorable. We've now had 5 of them and they have become "our breed". While each one has had their own personality, the breed characteristics are constant. We know (and love) what we are getting every time.
All dogs have the potential to be wonderful companions whether they are rescues, doodles or purebred. It's up to their humans to put in the time and effort to make this happen.
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@DM Shhhh! Half the world reads the NYT and we don't want them running out to get PBGVs and increase demand! And you know once they see how cute they are, they will.
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I never thought mixing breeds was a good idea, too bad that we are learning that the hard way.
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@Margo Channing
How do you suppose different breeds of dogs came about in the first place?
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Most dog breeds were created for a purpose-so dogs could help sheepherders, hunt lions, chase rats, save drowning men, etc. Labs and poodles, while both retrievers, are quite different and don't seem particularly compatible to me. I favor carefully bred, purebred dogs for pets, carefully chosen for one's lifestyle. The one mixed breed dog I had was aggressive and a problem. I want to know what I am getting, not wait and see, because the personality of a breed affects training methods and how we interact with that breed-dogs are not generic things, different breeds require different approaches.
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@CJ Every dog, even within a breed, is different. Even with an AKC or UKC Standard Poodle you have to wait until they are not puppies anymore to know what the basic behavioral problems are.
I am on my third Standard Poodle. Not nearly a wonderful as my second, which was calm, pleasing, and easy to train. But we love our dogs with all their faults.
The Labradoodles I've know have been really nice dogs, characters. I stay with Poodles because they don't seem to have muscle/skeleton problems. Even mixed breeds can be responsibly bred. Inbreeding may be a little easier, as genetic lines get a bit muddy with hybriding.
BTW, to those who chant "Get a rescue," some of us don't want mixed breed dogs. Like dogs, every owner is different.
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My family has a labradoodle, and we know half a dozen more in our neighborhood. Every one of them is intelligent, joyful and loving—everything one could want in a dog. I have not heard of any of them having serious health problems (they do tend to have itchy paws). I tell everyone who asks that they are the best dogs on earth, and every dog I have for the rest of my life will be a labradoodle.
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@Cariad Thronson
Itchy paws? Maybe it's something they're walking in like lawn pesticides?
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I found this article of great interest and read it to Harry, our rescue Irish wolfhound, lab, border collie mix. ( He didn’t show much interest since it was post breakfast nap hours.)
Dogs are great companions, when treated properly and cared for.
We live in a suburban neighborhood with many pet dogs, most of the pet owners are responsible and keep their dogs under control.
Take this with a grain of salt but when Harry on leash goes for his walks, two run loose and bark at him, one actually lunged at him but the owner pulled him away in time. Those two happen to be labradoodles, but I think it says more about the owners than the dogs, all mutts at heart.
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Our elder son suffers from asthma, so our family dog is a goldendoodle. There was a year or two when our son was around 13 that he was both depressed and, well, a 13 year old boy. He could not accept the physical affection he so needed from his family. He couldn’t tell us how much he loved us, or how he was feeling.
But he could hug that dog, snuggle with that dog, cry with that dog. I am eternally grateful both to our aging mutt and the gentleman who “invented” her. They saved his life.
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@Inamuraj
You could have had a poodle.
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We have two lovable Labradoodles who bring us joy each and everyday. One of the reasons we have them is because they are a "mixed" breed and not subject to the ailments of many pure breeds. I am mystified by the comments of their creator. Maybe I have the exception but my two doggies are terrific with no medical issues.
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Thank you for publishing this. So many so-called animal lovers know next to nothing about animals.
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This story seems to rely, for the most part, on anecdotal evidence to support the notion that these mixed breeds are genetically or temperamentally more disadvantaged than the current stock of pedigree purebreds with their myriad of known issues due to the artificially manipulated gene pool. Sadly, if one wants to see a "glut" of dogs that often have to be euthanized, they should visit a local shelter that is overrun by pitbull mixes that nobody wants.
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@Charles
Our "pitsky" (pitbull x Siberian husky) is a friendly and lovable pet, who is a rescue dog we've since a pup. We got lucky. How a pet turns out, be it cat or dog, is always a crap shoot.
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@Charles
Plenty of people know the love of a pitbull. There are too many languishing in shelters because they are stigmatized and unfairly legislated against, not to mention many mixes are mislabeled as pitbull when the predominant breed isn't really known unless genetic testing is done.
In Victorian times, the pitbull was known as the "nanny dog" because of their gentleness and patience with children.
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My rescue mini-doodle is healthy and happy at 6 years old and means the world to me. Because of allergies only poodles and poodle mixes were options, but because of a commitment to rescue it took a long time, checking the local shelters almost daily until finding this wonderful boy 3 years ago. It's true that we had to do a little work to help him past separation anxiety and nervous peeing, but we got there. He was 3 already and had been given up and we don't know what he went through. These dogs DO need to be in the presence of people most of the time, but when I can't be there, I know now that he'll be a good boy if not a happy one. He's high energy and needs walks and play. His health is great so far except for a tendency toward mild itchiness, possibly an allergy. I've never known a more affectionate, exuberant, loving, gentle, people and pet friendly dog. I'm grateful for him every day. I'd encourage everyone considering a dog to consider rescue, and anyone with allergies to consider a poodle mix IF someone is home most of the time and they can accommodate a high energy, high maintenance (grooming and emotional) dog.
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My doodle is my buddy and helper. He knows when I'm stessed and he brings me a toy to distract me. I have alergies but I can hug him, because I have no reaction. Thank you Mr. Conron for allowing me such a joyous life experience with my wonderful Labradoodle.
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I’ve always had mixed breeds, rescue dogs. I really like them because of their flexibility. I really enjoy the element of surprise and sense of destiny you feel when you don’t know what your dog will grow to be. My latest dog is 14 now. I think when you get mixed breed, rescue dogs, it’s like you still believe in magic!
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@Morgan I agree wholeheartedly. I love our mixed breeds and the love they give me and also the interesting ways that they respond to different types of training. The love they give us is worth the challenge.
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@Morgan
Us, too - our first coming from a farm in Vulcan, AB - a Gordon Settler/flat-coat retriever cross.
Our current girl is about the finest mix of boxer/German Shepherd you could ever imagine, getting compliments wherever she goes.
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@Morgan
I wonder whether these “surprises” are as enjoyable to everyone else who has to share elevators, sidewalks, apartment buildings, parks, etc with your dog
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I lived with my friend, Luke, for nearly 17 years! My family and I loved Luke. I cannot speak for other Labradoodles; however, Luke was a real sweetheart.
Sure, he was a bit crazy, in a fun way. He loved all people and could not be petted enough. He loved interacting with humans and other dogs. He was a bundle of joy until the day he passed away!
My family and I truly miss Luke. He was not a bother and continuously demonstrated what can only be called love. My next dog will be a Labradoodle.
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They are adorable, but the veterinary opthamologist i take one of my cats to said that they have serious genetic eye problems, one of the more common problems they see.
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