My Neighbor’s Tree Roots Damaged My Driveway

Jul 06, 2019 · 31 comments
MacK (Washington DC)
I've looked at this issue in connection with my home (and I am a lawyer) - the rules relating to legal responsibility for trees are not just extraordinarily complicated, but they vary from jurisdiction-to-jurisdiction, and may depend on whether the tree is a "wild tree," i.e., one that was not planted, or predates the home (or both), variety (e.g., Leylandii) and so on. In many places a tree cannot be cut without a permit if its trunk circumference exceeds a certain number of inches (a rule designed to protect mature trees), and that permit may require the opinion of an qualified arborist. By varying depending on jurisdiction that may mean by the state, the county, the municipality or perhaps even the borough. In short, I'm puzzled as to why this article tries to give advice, since it depends on so many factors that are specific to the property, its location and the tree, how it came to be where it is, its variety, size, etc.
Tony (Truro, MA.)
Never be part of a condo association. Also buy enough acreage where neighbors never factor in. Avoid city dwelling at all costs.
PrairieFlax (Grand Island, NE)
@Tony Truro's getting pretty crowded.
MAK (Midlandia)
Some jurisdictions have tree ordinances under either their Zoning code or Property Maintenance code. It might be worth checking to see if a complaint to the jurisdiction would help.
JimmyMac (Valley of the Moon)
As a contractor my initial response to a claim of damage to a foundation from tree roots would be one of skepticism. It’s not impossible, but I would suspect other causes and wonder what is exactly meant by “damage”. These kind of claims are often laced with hyperbole.
k kelly (Chicago)
I assume that the condo has open meetings. You may be able to go and state your problem directly to the board. You don't know how the message is being delivered to them. Pick up the phone and talk to the property manager who has a duty to guide the board towards responsible decisions. It's one thing to pay for the removal of tree it's another to pay court costs, too.
justme (onthemove)
@k kelly I've lived in Condos and meetings were never open to Joe Public.
Tuvw Xyz (Evanston, Illinois)
Neighbor's tree roots is not always an easy problem. To avoid hassle and to prevent further damage, the property owner can cut the invasive roots and perhaps inject poison into the stumps at the border of his property. The problem of overhanging tree branches is much simpler: one simply chops them off. But in France there is a peculiar law that one can cut the overhanging branches only of a tree growing on one's immediate neighbor's property, but not if the branches extend from the second neighbor farther away.
Maureen O. (Sacramento CA)
Years ago I had a beautiful tree cut down because my neighbor claimed the roots were damaging his foundation. Stump killer was poured into holes drilled in the stump several times. The stump is well and truly dead, no new shoots arise from it. However a tree of the same species is growing on his side of the fence, about which he has done nothing. I wonder if I am still liable?
Tuvw Xyz (Evanston, Illinois)
@ Maureen O. Sacramento CA To prove or disprove your liability would require a deeper excavation around the roots. Your story makes me think that in cases of cutting roots, the stump at the exact line between the neighboring properties should be covered with tar, and the whole procedure duly recorded.
Dale C Korpi (MN)
Howard G in his Comment has provided an actual case decided under the legal system. It is contrary to Ms. Kaysen's response in this particular case; the response was a conclusory statement common in nascent law students and one that it is soon subjected to the full rigor of the Socratic method. Ms. Kaysen, the case cite Howard G provides is mandatory for you analysis and review. Ms. Kaysen there is no underlying law in New York to support your conclusion on responsibility. The course of action to pay and then to small claims courts is quite suspect and given an appeal from a small claims courts converts the action to a new trial in the real court. In sum Ms. Kaysen, Steve Martin had to admonish the well meaning John Candy, "When you are telling a story, have a point - it helps."
Howard G (New York)
@Dale C Korpi This entire question lies under the heading of what is commonly known as "Neighbor Law" - which covers many areas of legal responsibilities inherent in neighboring home and property owners who share a common boundary and property line -- Neighbor Laws can vary greatly between states - and even local jurisdictions - which means what may be the owner's liability in one jurisdiction, could be the neighbor's problem in another -- What's troubling with many of the answers in this column is the "quasi-legal" advice provided in some of the answers - along with a quote from an attorney who is not part of the dispute -- One wonders if a person who went to court and subsequently based their claim upon legal information they read in one of Ms. Kayson's replies - including a quote from an attorney - and then lost their case - could sue the New York Times based upon providing faulty legal advice -- especially since the Times does not provide a disclaimer absolving itself of responsibility --
Robert (NYC)
I am a lawyer and I think the legal advice here should have been qualified somewhat. It isn't so clear to me that the writer would prevail in a lawsuit. We are not told when this tree was planted and when the damage became noticeable. This raises potentional statute of limitations issues. Also, in some cases, courts have said the self-help remedy is what is available to a landowner and not more, especially, when the letter writer here can reach to the roots on his/her own property. Unfortunately, the law does not always provide a remedy for bad behavior.
B. (Brooklyn)
A beautiful tree that hides a neighboring property is more valuable than an asphalt driveway. A healthy tree sucks up water from the ground and probably helps mitigate basement damp. And it provides shade in summer, which helps the air conditioning. If the roots can be trimmed without damage to the tree, go for it. Take a lot of before and after photographs and present the bill to the condo association. As a last resort, sue. But I wouldn't get bent out of shape if they didn't pay. Owning a house is expensive. And having a tree is a blessing.
Lorraine (Oakland)
@B. The letter writer says the roots have already damaged the foundation of his/her home. This isn't simply about the aesthetics of a driveway.
John (overseas)
Nah, just get out a drill and fill 'er up with weed killer
ABaron (USVI)
Most of these RE columns seem to end with ‘sue them’. Harsh! Pile 7 million people on top of each other and very few are going to be happy, satisfied or content with their limited personal space or influence over knuckle-headed neighbors. Wide open country beckons! Bust free, New Yorkers! There’s peace, quiet and elbow room all over America. Trees flourish, stars shine at night, and the smell of summer garbage on a hot sidewalk is but a distant memory. Go! and discover new worlds. You’re welcome.
PrairieFlax (Grand Island, NE)
@ABaron Charlotte Amalie is pretty crowded, aye?
Matthew (New Jersey)
@ABaron Welp, they did discuss it and the condo refused to do anything. Courts are the appropriate remedy. Also, keep in mind a condo management company means you are engaging an organization and not an individual neighbor over the fence, and organizations have a tendency to be monolithic in these types of matter, because liability it not direct to a specific individual. Thus easy for them to try ignoring the problem. Please also understand this letter writer is not in NYC, but rather in Roslyn, NY, out on Long Island. And law suits happen in the most remote places all the time.
Hypatia (California)
@PrairieFlax Parts of it also blow away occasionally during hurricane season.
Patricia Sears (Ottawa, Canada)
Surely you’d need an estimate of repairs to your property from a few contractors as well?
Maxwell Stainback (Brooklyn)
One word. Lawyer.
Howard G (New York)
Once again - almost two years to the date - we have a repeat Ask Real Estate column -- Ask Real Estate Getting Rid of Tree Roots From Next Door June 3, 2017 Q. Roots from my neighbor’s tree have grown under the driveway of my house in Astoria, Queens, causing the asphalt to heave, buckle and crack. Who is responsible for repairing this damage, my neighbor or me? You can read the mostly-unhelpful reply - along with reader comments - at the link below - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/03/realestate/getting-rid-of-tree-roots-from-next-door.html Also -- Below is a link to the public record of an actual case where the plaintiff (owner of damaged driveway) - sued the defendant (owner of tree with encroaching roots) - in a local court here in New York -- An interesting case - with a final judgement in favor of the defendant... Koelling v D'Angelo Plaintiff Koelling, is the owner of premises located in Whitestone, New York. The defendant, Frank D'Angelo, is the owner of the adjoining property Plaintiff commenced this action against the defendant, his next door neighbor, by filing a summons and complaint on December 1, 2010. The complaint seeks damages based upon two causes of action for trespass and nuisance. The plaintiff alleges that roots from the trees on the defendant's property caused the plaintiff's driveway to become raised, cracked and damaged... https://law.justia.com/cases/new-york/other-courts/2013/2013-ny-slip-op-50021-u.html
Matthew (New Jersey)
@Howard G OK, so? Someone wrote in from Roslyn asking about the same problem, was the Times supposed to ignore it? It's a funny thing about real estate problems: they tend to repeat and repeat and repeat, so if you're in the business of writing an on-going real estate section it's inevitable that you will address the same problems many times. I'm sure Dear Abby answered the same subjects all the time too.
Stephanie (California)
@Howard G: It appears that the plaintiff in that case never had an expert assess the situation and that the statute of limitations from the time of discovery had passed. How is this a similar situation?
Sparky (Earth)
Yeah, don't write a letter, pay a lawyer to do it. Get the assessments first for what'll it cost to fix the problems caused by their tree. Then takes those to lawyer and start the ball rolling. Remind the lawyer to remind them that any subsequent delays will only further exacerbate the damage and, therefore, the repair costs. It also gives you a much stronger position for punitive damages if you have to drag them into court. They were given notice and simply chose to ignore it.
justme (onthemove)
Skip to the end and get a lawyer. The Condo Association Board has already shown itself to be uncooperative and either ignorant of or deliberately flouting the law. I see no reason to draw this out.
grumpyoldman (midwest)
What kind of a tree is it? Does it improve the value of your property or screen the condo from your house? Can you cut the drive so that the roots will no longer pop the driveway? The tree expert has to prove the roots damaged the concrete drive. And the foundation contractor has to prove the roots damaged the foundation. Usually expenses borne only in high profile cases. If however, the tree is a well grown specimen benefiting both properties, you could replace that section with gravel. And in exchange for that expense, perhaps negotiate with the condo to have the tree properly pruned by an arborist. They can prune for shape, light, and circulation, to satisfy the 50 mph rule, and to reduce future liability for the condo owners. Indeed, a questionable tree needs an annual sign off. Still, if the tree is ill-placed, a danger, or otherwise a garbage tree, then get three written quotes from tree removal contractors, learn something from each, and write a letter to the condo board. The tree needs to come down, quotes are attached, my attorney will be in touch by October 15 if a tree removal plan is not in place by then. But be careful what you wish for. A friend insisted that a neighbor remove a tree on a shared drive. They did and suddenly her unsealed rubble basement walls and completely depreciated asphalt drive allowed her basement to flood. It seems that tree was both deflecting weather and diverting ground water.
CCC (FL)
@grumpyoldman The tree roots are damaging the foundation of the house, not just the driveway. Trees with roots like that should be removed. They can then be replaced with another kind of tree with a less invasive root system.
PrairieFlax (Grand Island, NE)
@grumpyoldman You just don't want the tree removed (and neither do I). But the condo assn is responsible for the roots. I agree with your idea of shortening the driveway, but what if they have a lot of cars, or a boat? The condo assn is lying.
Sam (New York)
@CCC Thank you - I'm fascinated by the number of comments that are simply ignoring the portion of the letter that discusses the damage being done to the foundation of the letter writer's house, in favor of arguing for the beauty of the tree. I like trees too, but not if they're actually going to destroy my home.