Mashing up the “equal pay” lead story with the “being a regular” story
Tune of “Where Everybody Knows Your Name” - Cheers theme
Working for pay in a job today
You never know what’s what.
Fingers are crossed you’re treated fairly
Chances are you’re not.
And asking gets your boss annoyed.
Just hope that you’re employed -
Where either gender’s paid the same.
And equal treatment is their aim
You wanna be an employee
Where you won’t need no bias claim
You wanna be where either gender’s paid the same.
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The link to the NY Post video of the NYPD patrol car ramming the car in front was very disturbing.The driver was disorientated it said and was transported by EMS to a local hospital.The driver of the police car?The police officer should be prosecuted for this.I hope there's a followup on this.
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Yawn.
The comparisons are almost always wrong.
Why?
Because it didn't take into account things like the number of hours worked, and other VERY important markers.
When the are compared, women's pay is EQUAL to that of men, and there's MANY accredited, bonafide places anyone with a couple of minutes - AND am interest in being truly FAIR, truly HONEST, and UN-biased.
I hate this P.C. age, and all it encompasses, in this case, most people world read what I've said and decry, '(the writer) is song this because (they're)...'
All I will say is I'm a native NYC'er, VERY well educated (no, not a braggart, but honest), who's seen the backwardness which had seen to come over most people in this once good (but flawed) nation). I'm a Teletubby sorry period, this had caused more irritable damage than any military action could.
It's sickening.
My mom worked (as did my dad), because she wanted to earn money and she NEVER said she was paid less (and she also knew what was commensurate with her field, position, etc.
Even my grandmother went to work - late in life - and she even said they (a large international corporation) were 'wonderful' to her - both for hiring a women at her age (well over 50), and to pay her what they did (they even have her a huge retirement dinner- here in NYC, held at a big hotel, and yes; they even have her the requisite gold watch. The retirement benefits came, 'natch).
So, please; so your research!
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I realize it doesn't matter how many people can easily shatter the pay gap myth. To women's political advocates, the only thing that matters is portraying women as a class of victims and securing their vote for Democrats, who cast themselves as women's savior.
So lies of the worst kind will be told and no heed will be paid to the mountain of data readily available and disproving the advocates' mantra.
I try to explain the gender wage gap and other issues to those who are receptive in:
“A Comprehensive Look at Gender Equality: The Doctrinaire Institute for Women's Policy Research” www.malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/the-doctrinaire-institute-for-womens-policy-research/
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The unequal pay gap between men and women is such an old theme, that it's hardly worth wasting any breath (or print) over it -- As long as I've been in the work force there have not been any real changes, even as the cost of living continues to go up.
And unfortunately, it's not the only aspect of inequality that can be found in our society.
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So it's not worth discussing? The logic eludes me.
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@Lifelong Reader
it doesn't exist is the logic
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@Lifelong Reader - Yes, worth discussing:
“A Comprehensive Look at Gender Equality: The Doctrinaire Institute for Women's Policy Research” www.malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2012/02/16/the-doctrinaire-institute-for-womens-policy-research/
" women and men with equal experience."
It seems the numbers do show male-female disparity is very real. So it needs study but may not be a fait accomlpli.
Every professional job I've had, no two people are ever the same re value to the company, or how much they want you after the interview is balanced with how much you want the job, what other offers you have just then if that's relevant, how the job fits the rest of your life. Things do figure in like how easy my commute is to this choice over that choice that makes it more appealing to the worker, but really mean nothing to the boss.
And as a man with no kids to support, sometimes I'd want a job that seemed very exciting to me and because I could afford to do that with no struggle, I was willing to make my asked-for salary less in negotiating to make sure I got that job. It happened at times that a man or woman with two kids and a mortgage would make more, or might mentally need more to come in from Rye or Jersey. I never felt I earned less because I was gay in those cases.
Example: From law school, I felt strongly about societal value of antitrust and less-monopoly, was great at the course, worked to assure an A [got an A- but OK] and pursued a chance at a firm doing the phone co. divestiture; I low-balled what I asked for to make sure, and got an offer a bit higher before I left that day. Not because of being gay, short, disabled, anything like that.
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Let's bottom line it on equal pay and take the conversation away from the extremist views ie the white man view and the Neo feminist.
If unequal pay can be proven by law and not social engineering by all means sue.
If factors like risk, market factors, aggressiveness etc. are in play use them to your advantage.
If not don't carp, social engineer, rationalize, intellectualize, finger point, scape goat, ax grind etc.
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What is never mentioned in articles about pay disparity is that the figures use average salaries across all professions so that hotel cleaners are put into the same statistical group as oil rig workers. Other studies do compare within professions and those wage gap disparities are significantly smaller than what is generally reported. Any disparity for male and female workers within a profession with equal experience and work product is, of course, not acceptable but that is not what is being shown by these studies. In the future, as women makeup more and more of college graduates and take the higher paying professional jobs the wage gap may close even more.
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@bittinho You're quite right: kindergarten teachers with one month on the job are thrown in with computer engineers with 30 years on the job.
Women's pay advocates appear to want you to think every woman makes less than every man -- when in fact millions of women earn more than millions of men, as shown in the overlays of median pay: women in the top ranges earn more than men in the lower ranges -- so painfully obvious.
See:
"Women's 77 cents to men's dollar: what it really means" http://malemattersusa.wordpress.com/2012/07/10/womens-77-cents-to-mens-dollar-what-it-really-means/
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Indeed I am waiting for the last volume on LBJ. The previous volumes served me well on my long subway commute, and somehow it was no chore to hold those massive hardcovers even while standing and clinging to a pole (gingerly, since I imagine what germs also cling to it).
While I am never "glad" to hear someone is convicted of murder, in the case of Ms. Vetrano's murder I am glad at least that DNA evidence, used nowadays -- thankfully -- to exonerate long-incarcerated men, helped find the assailant.
(I would like to say again that the Times headline of many days now is misleading: NYPD initially looked for a white assailant since white men are the largest demographic in Howard Beach, and turned their attention to finding a black assailant only after DNA under Ms. Vetrano's fingernails showed that he was black.)
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@B.
Keep your fingers crossed amigo. William Manchester never finished the third and final volume of "The Last Lion," a three-part series on Winston Churchill. Instead he wrote a short article about how, in his old age, he was no longer able to focus and would not complete the work! Oh my gosh, the readers of the first two volumes felt for him, but how we lamented his stopping at 1940, when Churchill was made prime minister with the Nazi's at the door.
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@Billy from Brooklyn
Yes, Billy, I heard about that mishap. A friend of mine swears by the Manchester volumes. But since I have read two other good biographies of Churchill, I probably have had enough, much as I revere the old guy.
(To a lesser extent, I felt the same way about the Harry Potter books. I really wanted to find out what happens to Harry and worried that Rowling might injure herself before . . . . )
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I cannot speak for every mean, but many of us are unhappy about the wage disparity between males and females. Certainly because it is unjust, but also for another more tangible reason. Males have a difficult time obtaining a raise in salary, or even holding onto our jobs, when capable females can be paid 40% less for working the same position. Even if we are very proficient at our jobs, we are not twice as proficient.
It is not a good situation for either sex.
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