Broadcasting from Deep Space, a Mysterious Series of Radio Signals

Jan 10, 2019 · 63 comments
Mr. & Mrs. Robert Curley Jacobs (Milwaukee, Wisconsin)
Everyone use to believe the world was flat and you were a lunatic if you did not believe that. It turned out the world is not flat, but instead a sphere. This is a perfect analogy to the fact that there really are space aliens. Trust us there are space creatures and the most reasonable assumptions is that these radio bursts come from aliens from the stars.
SG1 (NJ)
Wow...someone out there has a huge subwoofer hooked up to their stereo...
Sunny Izme (Tennessee)
Here's a hint.... Think intergalactic rock concert! There really is a "Harmony of the Spheres."
Joe (At home)
It came from the center of a black hole ?
AJ North (The West)
"The grand agents of nature are indestructible." — James Prescott Joule, FRS (1818 - 1889), after whom the unit of energy in the MKS system is named. — — — — — — — — — — "My own suspicion is that the Universe is not only queerer than we suppose, but queerer than we can suppose." — John Burdon Sanderson Haldane, FRS (1892 – 1964)
Eddie Lew (NYC)
Why do we assume extra. terrestrial life evolved the way we did, only it is more advanced? Sending radio signals is somethin we do. Perhaps extraterrestrial "life" is so different than ours?
Eddie Lew (NYC)
Why do we think that life on other planets are similar to us, only more advanced? Sending radio signals is something we would do. Maybe life out there evolved totally differently then us?
Blackmamba (Il)
Other than the social insects particularly the ants and termites is there reason to believe that there is any intelligent life on Earth? Other than the birds and bony fishes is there any reason to believe that there are any intelligent vertebrates on Earth? Other than the rodents and bats is there any reason to believe that there are any signs of intelligent mammals on Earth? Other than natural physical phenomenon is there any reason to make any leaps of faith regarding this space " noise"? Other than human hubris is there any reason to believe that if there is intelligent life elsewhere they would have any reason to want to communicate ideas with us?
sdt (st. johns,mi)
Take me to your leader. You will be sorry.
Robert Haberman (Old Mystic)
3 billion light years. In round numbers that is about 2,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 miles. Not exactly our next door neighbor.
Oldcontinenter (France)
I always love to read the Times's science section. One thing puzzles me, though: the article speaks of "emitting more energy than the sun does in a day", but earlier today I read basically the same story in Le Monde where they say "they emit, in a milliseond, as much energy as the sun does in 10,000 years" (https://www.lemonde.fr/sciences/article/2019/01/10/la-traque-aux-mysterieuses-ondes-radio-cosmiques-porte-ses-fruits_5407290_1650684.html) Who is right?
SG (Bronx, NY)
@Oldcontinenter It's a question of scale: Le Monde uses milliseconds, and the Times uses a day. I can't do the full sun-power conversion, but Google tells me that 24 hours equals 8.64 x 10^7 milliseconds. Extraordinary how a simple alteration of measurement scales can produce enormously different responses to the same figure... and how frightening!
chris (canada)
Cosmos to planet 3, Sol/Helios system: Please accept that you are an infinitesimal speck of a speck of a speck of a ... Concentrate on keeping your planet accessible to your life form.
Glenn Thomas (Edison, NJ)
Articles like this always return me to thoughts of the vastness of the universe and the audacity of so many who think we are so unique and special. So many people going on to assert some sky god created it and everything in it with some purpose discernible only by themselves and their brethren. It's the sheer outlandish idea of this god who, even if he did exist and created all of this, would have an interest in our daily actions and thoughts that is ludicrous at best. I guess it's this immense sense of self-importance that troubles me most, because that may be what is at the bottom of all that is wrong in this world.
David Underwood (Citrus Heights)
What is considered low frequency? Is it gigahertz or lower, mega hertz, even kilohertz? How has the energy level been determined? More mysterious phenomena in the universe. something to do with the big bang, or maybe the big collapse. How about some of the "hair" from a black hole? How long is the duration, I have not seen the report?
Some Dude (CA Sierra Country)
Love it. We live in wonderful times; we just need a little nudge from time to time to remember that. Thanks.
jean claude (Aosta valley, italy)
Well, maybe the echoes of the Universe reaching its maximum espansion and there starting to collapse back into space-time....
JoeMarra1 (New York)
There is so much we don't know. There could be living beings composed of energy that are as big a stars. Hope we don't get stepped on....
Bill Holland (Palo Alto, California)
Not sure why, but as soon as I saw the byline, my brain switched to Dennis Overbye's voice as I read the article. How apt, how appropriate. I hope he narrates a video for this discovery.
Ugly and Fat Git (Superior, CO)
Any idea what the author means by "Maybe we should thank our lucky stars once again that we do not live in such a “special place” in our own galaxy." Are these radio bursts harmful to life on earth?
bored critic (usa)
yes. they are low energy bursts of radiation that emit more energy than the sun does in an entire day. my guess is if we were too close, think EMP. and the burnout of every electronic device on the planet. from computers and cell phones to electricity and light bulbs to car ignitions etc. technology would revert to middle ages. but that would be a good thing for the planet. No more carbon emissions. but no way to move food either. mass starvation, anarchy, the fight for food, canabalism. sci-fi authors estimate 75% of the population would easily die. some estimate up to 90%. if you live in or anywhere near a big city, no good. rural areas with farming have the best shot. if you are lucky enough to escape the city or suburbs and successfully get to an area with food, expect to be pressed into slavery. since most machinery would be inoperable and no one is going to give you food for nothing. and money will not be a viable currency, food and ammunition will be the new currency. and that's just the start! have a nice day!
Rich (Lake Zurich, IL)
@Ugly and Fat Git I believe the authors point is exactly that. Given the amount of energy in the bursts as well as the likely much fiercer conditions in which the bursts are created, we are lucky we don't live near the sources.
Charlesbalpha (Atlanta)
It's dismaying to me that discussion of a distant discovery in space triggers political jokes, or talk of outer space aliens, plus a lot of ignorance about what "billion light years" means.
SG1 (NJ)
Lighten up. These are tough times in this speck of space.
Meena (Ca)
That's it, they are building a giant magnetic wall to keep us isolated from the rest of the intelligent universe.
Dave (Westwood)
@Meena Probably a wise decision.
Paul (Brooklyn)
They scanned Earth and saw in general and in particular with Trump in America they concluded there is no intelligent life on Earth.
john johnson jr (here)
@Paul hi. Your comment is not funny. Not because we should not mock Trump. We really should, all of us, with all our heart. However your attempt is weak, insipid and i think borrowed. Don't stop trying though. Just try harder.
Rich (Lake Zurich, IL)
@john johnson jr It was indeed borrowed from astronomer Frank Drake at Cornell University. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Drake
Oldcontinenter (France)
@Rich I didn't find the quote on that page but I remember a Calvin & Hobbes with the punchline (quoting by heart) 'the proof of extraterrestrial intelligence is that they've never come to visit us'.
THS (GA)
What if these FRB's are a type of alien sonar used for navigational purposes?
DontBeEvil (Boston)
You mean like radar?
Robert (Out West)
Well, then they get a ping in, oh, two billion years. I would say relax.
Truth Is True. (PA)
Perhaps the radio repeaters in space are just signposts aids for space travelers. They may be natural occurrences, but likely just as useful, as old light houses were to earthlings trying to navigate and colonize the earth.
a goldstein (pdx)
@Truth Is True. Yes, nothing unusual about natural occurrences being exploited by life, from intelligent to single cells. They are nature's process of emergence in the Universe, driven by the fact that the universe started in a very low entropy state and is evolving to higher entropy states which drives complexity.
Jleon111 (NYC)
@a goldstein Entropy does not drive complexity, nor does it affect evolution. In fact, increasing entropy will eventually cause the heat death of the universe with the dissolution of all stable forms of matter.
Rick Gage (Mt Dora)
Does this mean that the first order of business for the "Space Force" will be building a space wall?
Blackmamba (Il)
@Rick Gage Of course along with " Death Star".
adam (the mitten)
"ruling out lasers from aliens" no, dont pop my fantasy! coherant visible light stretched out over time, distance and red shift would totally be radio waves by now. the earth has effectively been 'shot' by some epic space battle galaxies over and we dismiss it like its nothing, pfft.
Truth Is True. (PA)
Perhaps they are portholes needed for inter-universe travel. And the bursts just represent the number and frequency of inter-universal travel. You will need such extraordinary amounts of energy.
Bob Lakeman (Alexandria, VA)
Maybe Sirius is launching a new channel.
DC (Massachusetts)
@Bob Lakeman Nope. Sirius is less than 10 light years away ... not 1.5 billion ;-)
Tone (Farmington, MI)
@Bob Lakeman That would explain the repetition.
Rachel Hoffman (Portland OR)
Triple feature: Independence Day / Contact / Arrival... For our grandchildren's well-being, I desperately hope homo sapiens evolves toward the last of these mindsets before visitors appear in our skies. They'll probably get to us before we make it to them.
Diane Gross (Peekskill, NY)
It's aliens trying to warn us about the disaster that is donald trump. His supporters may be blind but with the blinders off you can see it from space!
Bruce Savin (Montecito)
Tesla stated he received his "information" through radio waves from beings from another planet. Research it yourself.
a goldstein (pdx)
What cosmological phenomena could produce radiation that disappears immediately, like flipping a switch? Also, is the detection of these radio bursts several years ago a consequence of improving radio telescopes or did they just start happening? Regardless, it's very fascinating.
Bill McGrath (Peregrinator at Large)
Our senses are limited to what evolution deemed necessary to our survival. Nevertheless, there is a vast spectrum of electromagnetic energy that we can observe with the right equipment. There are also other forms of radiating energy, like the gravitational waves that were finally observed last year. We don't currently have an answer to the dark energy/matter question. There are probably other forms of energy that we don't even know exist yet. We move forward in fits and starts. We didn't even understand that radio waves could propagate until Maxwell came along. We didn't know how the sun and stars produced their prodigious amounts of energy until Einstein's mass-energy relationship was formulated. We have observed phenomena for which we have no explanation. It's all part of the exciting process of scientific discovery. At some point, we will probably understand it all, but we still have a long way to go. So cool!
Blackmamba (Il)
@Bill McGrath Astrobiology aka the study of extraterrestrial life is no more a science than is theology. Since there is no natural evidence of extraterrestrial life it is not science. It is science fiction and mythology. The only life as we know it exists on Earth past and present. And life as we know it on Earth has been evolving and expanding. Science uses natural data to explain natural phenomena using natural explanations. The scientific method uses double- blind controlled experimental tests to provide repeatable predictable results. We can hardly communicate with alien life aka non- human life on Earth as we know it. See " The Fermi Paradox" aka Where are they? and "The Drake Equation" aka Who, What and When are they?
Paul Connah (Los Angeles, California)
@Bill McGrath I have enjoyed your peregrinations except for the first sentence. Your “what evolution deemed necessary to our survival ” skews in the direction of teleology. From wikipedia: “ . . . it is a common experience in pedagogy that a minimum of apparent teleology can be useful in thinking about and explaining Darwinian evolution even if there is no true teleology driving evolution. Thus it is easier to say that evolution "gave" wolves sharp canine teeth because those teeth "serve the purpose of" predation regardless of whether there is an underlying nonteleologic reality in which evolution is not an actor with intentions. In other words, because human cognition and learning often rely on the narrative structure of stories (with actors, goals, and proximal rather than distal causation), some minimal level of teleology might be recognized as useful or at least tolerable for practical purposes even by people who reject its cosmologic accuracy.” I side with those for whom no level of teleology should be tolerated and injected into the “story” of evolution as a narrative aid to comprehension. Comprehension of what? An alternative narrative? Tell it like it is. Let the readers and hearers engage in the struggle to comprehend exactly what has been postulated.
D.S. (New York City)
Stanley Kubrick and Arthur C Clarke clued is in on what this could be 50 years ago. The "star child" is coming back.
Albert Ross (Alamosa, CO)
@D.S. That's fine with me as long as it doesn't bring its friends and plays Thin Lizzy at us.
lowereastside (NYC)
"About the only thing astronomers agree on is that these signals probably are not extraterrestrials saying hello." Based on what set of assumptions?
William Wroblicka (<br/>)
@lowereastside These FRBs are, as the term implies, of very short duration, a few milliseconds on average (according to Wikipedia), which militates against their being attempts by aliens to communicate. After all, If I were trying to contact someone who I wasn't sure was home, I'd probably let the phone ring a little longer :-).
Albert Ross (Alamosa, CO)
Could be a sign of reality breaking down since we're living in a holographic representation of Ken Bone's decision making process. How will he cast his vote and what happens to Schr... that one guy's cat after he finds that it died during his thought experiment?
e w (IL, elsewhere)
Some people think the money we spend on space and science exploration is wasted and could be better spent on other, more Earthly priorities. This discovery--of a new power source greater than our sun--shows how we might be able to...someday...solve our energy crisis. Perhaps this power source won't be the answer, but our exploration might lead us to another power source that will.
Tanya Hoffman (Philadelphia, PA)
i am one of "those" people. we MUSTf find and develop ways to help the starving and sick people of our planet. The future is NOW!!
Bill McGrath (Peregrinator at Large)
@Tanya Hoffman: The two endeavors are not mutually exclusive. Perhaps if we trimmed the huge military budget, we could feed, house, nurture, and educate more of our citizens today?
Publius (NYC)
@Tanya Hoffman: Thank the gods, Tanya, that people like you are not in control.
Daniel K. Statnekov (Eastsound, WA)
This report reminds me of Michael Faraday's quote: "Nothing is too wonderful to be true, if it be consistent with the laws of nature." We must remember, though, that we humans interpret and then express those "laws" through our admittedly very narrow perceptual lens. Although an immense organ of perception, our human brain is limited and it is likely that a vast array of phenomena which is otherwise unknown to us may occasionally come into view. The "mysterious bursts" observed by the radio astronomers are likely to be in that category.
scrumble (Chicago)
One has to wonder what phenomena may exist that the human mind is incapable of perceiving.
Bobotheclown (Pennsylvania)
Faraday could have perceived it. He was one of a kind and his understanding of the fields that fill the universe were more sophisticated than we know. It is unfortunate that he lacked the mathematical education to precisely describe them to us.
Rachel Hoffman (Portland OR)
@Daniel K. Statnekov If humans make it into the vast reaches, its won't be via rocket fuel. That 90% of our brains we apparently don't use must be good for something we yet know nothing about.