At Danny Meyer’s Manhatta, Only the View Tries to Dazzle

Oct 09, 2018 · 73 comments
BigGuy (Forest Hills)
I'm paying $15 a month to read today's paper on line. I can't see the recipe in today's paper even though its in the printed paper. Why not? I don't want to pay $5.99 a month to sometimes read a Times recipe. I do not think it is right to ask me to pay to read a recipe on line on the same day it is printed when I am already paying to read the same day's paper on line.
Brenda (NY,NY)
As others have mentioned, I agree and find Well’s comments inconsistent and difficult to understand. I’ll forgo his review and look forward to trying Danny Meyer’s newest endeavor. After all these years, I’ve never been disappointed in his stellar restaurants. In the rare instances where I was not satisfied with a dish, staff replaced it without question.
ManhattanWilliam (New York, NY)
As usual, I find the reviews of Pete Wells hard to understand. The restaurant gets one start, is indicated as expensive with three of these $, apparently "only the view dazzles" and yet it's a "NY Times Critics Pick". Servers are "wholesome" and apparently have "occasional flashes of intuition". Wholesome? Do they drink lots of milk? Are "occasional flashes of intuition" anything like "occasional hot flashes"? The pictures of the food looks good enough but those tables and chairs? Are they trying so hard not to dazzle that they've REALLY not dazzled at all? I've no doubt that I am very dense but none of this makes any sense to me whatsoever. I cannot judge the restaurant's food but the review? Again, I say it's been long enough with the same reviewer - isn't it time (OVERtime) for a change?
AM (New York)
The menu may not be too adventurous but I was pleased with every course and so were my fellow diners. I think it deserves at least two stars, I thought the atmosphere was classy without being glamourous (the view was the well framed by the decor). The service was wonderful, as well. Not a peep from Wells on the wine/drink selection, which I feel also added to the positive experience we had. Definitely deserves another star, in my opinion. I give this review 1/4 stars for being too harsh and the restaurant 2/4 stars. Perhaps I’m easier to please than Wells.
C. (New York)
... Is Mr. Well’s unaware of Walt Whitman’s poem, “Manhatta”? See https://www.poets.org/poetsorg/poem/mannahatta Perhaps the restaurant’s name is a nod to the poet?
Tuvw Xyz (Evanston, Illinois)
@C. New York The title is "Mannahatta". Following your ref, I looked it up and did not like it: it is almost prose.
Leslie (New York, NY)
@C. The poem is literally quoted on the back page of the current menu. Yes, that seems to be the inspiration.
Johannes de Silentio (NYC)
While you compliment the staff for their attentiveness, you don’t mention how they are compensated. To save money Danny Meyer changed the tipping policy at several of his restaurants. Rather than front of house staff - waiters, wine stewards, bussers and barmen - receiving the tips customers left for them, Mr Meyer now confiscates that money to “redistribute” to the back of the house - cooks, dishwashers and expeditors. His waiters now cover his payroll. I will never again eat at a Danny Meyer restaurant, any Danny Meyer restaurant. I don’t care how good the food is and I don’t care about the view. I even sold my Shake Shack stock. This information is relevant to a restaurant review.
Steven M. (New York, NY)
@Johannes de Silentio What you say is simply inaccurate. Danny Meyer does not "confiscate" anything. The menus at all of his restaurants explicitly say, in large type, that hospitality is included in all prices. No opportunity is presented to leave gratuity, and it is neither accepted nor encouraged. He pays his employees, FOH and BOH, a contracted wage. That is what they receive, nothing more, nothing less. This is how restaurants work in 95% of the world.
Johannes de Silentio (NYC)
You have clearly never worked in a restaurant. I have. I worked in fine dining restaurants as a bar tender, sommelier, and cook. I also owned my own restaurant. Servers in American restaurants have the potential to earn real incomes. In the early 80s I was earning around $35K a year waiting at Mobil 4 Star/Wine Spectator Grand Award winners out west. That's about $85K today. My friends who had also recently graduated college were earning around $18K. In NYC a waiter in a good restaurant like the Union Square Cafe could easily make $300-$400 on a good shift. That's $35-$50 an hour. Servers at Mr. Meyer's restaurants now earn less than $20 an hour. He took the tips, called them "service charges" and "redistributed them to his other workers to save on his payroll. This was a direct result of the increase in the minimum tipped employee wage. In other sales jobs the harder you work, the more you sell, the more you make. I imagine you have bought a pair of shoes, used a real estate agent or purchased a car. All of those sales people collect a commission. The top shoe salesperson at a store like Saks or Bergdorff will earn around $300K (yes, I know this as fact). The only difference is you don't have a choice. Why is it OK to make a commission if you sell shoes but not food? As to "95% of the world," service in 95% of the world is horrid. You get what you pay for. And no one in the US outside the C-Suite is "contracted". We're all "at will". No guarantees.
Steven M. (New York, NY)
@Johannes de Silentio A contract can be "at will." It just means that there is a document written up with terms and conditions. A contracted employee can be contracted for a term, or at will. I've never had a problem with service at the top restaurants around the world, where service was included. In fact, in my experience dining in NY, the service, as a whole, on average, is better at restaurants where service is included than at restaurants where they rely on a tip. A waiter is not a salesman earning a commission. If you look at that way, then you just provided the strongest piece of evidence for why they shouldn't receive tips. I want the food items, the wine I will most enjoy, not the most expensive items that the salesman can convince me to buy. Waiters are providing a value-added service. There is a reason I prefer waiter service to counter service, and I am willing to pay a premium for that. However, waiters are employees of the restaurant, not independent contractors. The restaurant is under no obligation to allow the waitstaff to collect their salary from the customers. As I said originally, there is no "service charge" at his restaurants. The price on the menu is the price you pay. It is not $65 plus a 20% service charge. The menu says $78. Danny Meyer collects what he wishes to collect from his customers for their meal, and he pays his servers (and other staff) the amount they negotiate. There is no redistribution occurring.
sylvie raymond (paris, france)
The vanilla soufflé with butterscotch sauce was a little bit salty because the butterscotch, in France, is sometimes lightly salted with some "sel de Guérande" or "fleur de sel", we call it "caramel au beurre salé", and it is delicious...
Robbinsville (Robbinsville, New Jersey)
I'm surprised they decided to show images of the city taken during the day instead of at night when the city looks like the world famous light show that it is. Exterior images aside, the food is far better than Mr. Wells lets on. Maybe he was in a bad mood when he wrote this? Plus the price is very fair for what you get, tip and views included. It's not Per Se, but then again you're not dropping $500 per person. The feeling of the experience is very similar to the soon-to-be-closed (also a USHG run) North End Grill. Also, the date cake in whiskey sauce is amazing. The service, hospitality, and view deserved at least one star. The food another. Try again Pete.
Paul (Ocean, NJ)
My wife and I dined at Manhatta a little over a month ago. First and foremost the views are spectacular. But you can’t eat the view. I am still trying to figure out what the chef is trying to accomplish. Having said that our meal while not spectacular, was very good. The service was excellent. This restaurant cannot hold a candle to Le Coucou, my favorite, but so what. In the end we had a nice meal with wonderful views.
Anon N 1 (Japan)
The money quotes, first and last sentences, from Hannah Goldfield's review of this restaurant in the Sept 17 New Yorker:"'Unfortunately, I'm not allowed to say yes' is not a sentence I expected to hear at a restaurant under the command of Danny Meyer, an impresario known for his championing of hospitality . . . . Give me Shake Shack, on solid ground."
van hoodoynck (nyc)
Am I the only one who thinks there is zero consistency among Pete Wells' reviews besides some attempt at showing he's down with the neo-hipster crowd. I feel he makes the review more about his wittiness and less about the food/experience. They are reviews that could be written without actually eating at the restaurant. Is it the Eater and other blog site effect? I always finish his reviews disappointed. Maybe time to move someone else into the job. Maybe not another white dude.
bauskern (new england)
@van hoodoynck Is Pete Wells a white dude? I've no idea. Unless you think his "whiteness" somehow infiltrates his writing? And from the one picture showing people eating at this restaurant, I wouldn't say that this was the "neo hipster" crowd. The older gentleman in the suit jacket looks nothing like a hipster.
Ida Kowit (New York NY)
@van hoodoynck i’ve Been thinking the same thing for a while -
van hoodoynck (nyc)
@bauskern Yes I do think it infiltrates his writing. I can tell because I'm a white dude too. And to pan what is essentially an old person's restaurant, basically a new Rainbow Room, with thin witticisms and calling it "dated" is kind of my point.
AJ (Tennessee)
"The whole operation is very orderly and well behaved, apart from its refusal to spell its own name correctly. (The reference is to the Lenni Lenape name Manahatta, or Mannahatta, meaning “island of many hills,” but without the second “a” the name just looks incomplete. It’s like a child named Henr.) A dedicated door around the corner from the building’s main entrance brings you into a foyer that, with its sleek chairs and coffee tables, looks like the lobby of one of those 1960s white-brick apartment buildings in the East 40s and 50s."...this is too funny, lol!!!
Charles Schneider (Great Neck)
We were a table of four, each of us had a wonderful experience. Sharing our dishes amongst the group, we were able experience many lovely tastes and flavors, from beginning to end. While the views are spectacular, the food was terrific. Pete you must have stopped off in Chinatown, or someplace else as our food was well prepared and and not seasoned for us to experience a salty flavor in any of the many foods we tasted. You should go back. The food is well priced at $78 pp including service which was excellent.
Steven M. (New York, NY)
@Charles Schneider Pete goes a minimum of three times to any restaurant before issuing a review. That way he can tell what's a one-off thing, and what's persistent.
Carmela Sanford (Niagara Falls USA)
This seems like a perfectly pleasant place to have a leisurely two-hour lunch.
RMF (Bloomington, Indiana)
On a Thursday taxi ride into Manhattan from JFK, I called at 4:00 and lucked into a lunch reservation for the next day. I do appreciate the fine tuned sensibilities of a good critic, and the breadth of experience. Here is my experience. I had heirloom tomato salad with tomato sorbet, followed by almond crusted pan fried halibut. It was delicious, and an ample serving of each. The wait staff were all comfortably pleasant, and clearly proud of the setting and philosophy of the restaurant. Gracious is the word that comes to mind. The view is stupendous, and our waitress volunteered that we’d be welcome to walk around and see the view from all the sides of the entire floor. The experience felt like a relaxing, refreshing evening with good friends. I couldn’t care less how they spell their name.
C (ND)
Lobster quenelles might taste better than pike quenelles — which were thought up to deal with those pesky y-bones. (Applying the fork perpendicular to the bones exposes their tips, so they can be pulled out easier if they weren't filleted out). But is lobster quenelle really an improvement over just lobster?
Tuvw Xyz (Evanston, Illinois)
@C ND Do you mean that the little bones have to be pulled out with the fingers? If yes, then you have pointed out the third kind of food, for which no utensil yet exists to replace the use of fingers. The other two that I know of are (1) large boiled artichokes, whose petals or bracts must be detached by hand, and (2) shrimp in a shell, grilled or pan-fried in butter, to be peeled -- if they should at all be served at a table.
Suzanne Fass (Upper Upper Manhattan)
@C A lobster quenelle is simply different from "just lobster," in texture especially as well as flavor. It might be an improvement, because the texture is easier to control--uniformly suave as opposed to the hit-or-miss, often too chewy possibilities of (over)cooked lobster meat. And the flavor can be modified with other ingredients, rather than the one-note sweet richness of plain lobster. That said, to me nothing can compare with Maine lobster straight from the pound, simply steamed. Unless it is the lobster mousse used to stuff squash blossoms at the late, lamented Chanterelle. THAT, my friend, proved why lobsters should exist.
Tuvw Xyz (Evanston, Illinois)
@ Suzanne Fass Upper Upper Manhattan I prefer lobster either on a simple roll or as Lobster Newberg. Although I promised to you and others on Oct. 10 (below) to stay away from the tattoos, I wrote nothing about another bee in my bonnet: eating cooked foods with fingers. :-))
stan continople (brooklyn)
This will certainly offer an alternative to those lunch joints on Nassau Street. Do they deliver?
Almasda (Danbury, CT)
cannot understand how this review results in a one star "recommended" restaurant.
KLD (NYC)
ummm, because it has numerous very good dishes, fair prices, outstanding service and a spectacular view. you need to read more carefully!
L (NYC)
@Almasda: The star is for the view.
Observer (USA)
Very simple – one star off for the view, and a second for the binoculars.
Elizabeth (Ferrer)
Well, here's a review that has convinced me to just not go!
Robbinsville (Robbinsville, New Jersey)
@Elizabeth - Good, it'll make it easier for the rest of us to get in. Thanks!
Steph (Piedmont)
First world problems... looks pretty good to me as I sit here scarfing my lunch in a windowless bank cubicle.
Rich (Boston)
Am I the only one who can't get past that striking view of the Empire State Building in the photo?
Steven M. (New York, NY)
@Rich That's not the Empire State Building, it's 70 Pine Street, formerly known as the American International Building. I do not believe the ESB is visible in any of the photos.
Jean Louis Lonne (France)
Will someone justify giving 10% or 20% to the person who only brings the food to your table? Sorry, I've been both waiter and cook; I can't see it, with experience. If anyone deserves a tip, its the cook; having said that, the restaurant owners are regulars ripping off their clients with a price of XX for the meal that is not the total price you must pay. Come to France, all restaurants charge the total price including tax. No tipping! No need to bring a calculator, just appetite.
GC (Manhattan)
It’s not so much having to justify paying 20% to have your food carried. Instead it’s the way restaurant wages in the US are structured - waiters are basically paid nothing by the restaurant because the expectation is that they will be paid directly thru tips by the patrons. Meyer is attempting to fix this - raise prices and use the additional revenue to pay the staff more. Customers shouldn’t complain because they’re avoiding the tip. In short he’s attempting to move to the French system of charges and compensation.
Ace (New Utrecht, Brooklyn)
@GC Meyer is doing this because as a result of many lawsuits (against many restaurant owners) he can no longer take a "share" of the tips. https://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/12/nyregion/12workers.html
DR (New England)
@Jean Louis Lonne - A good server really makes a difference and unfortunately here in the U.S. they are forced to rely on tips for their income.
joan (nyc)
I want to know how the NYTimes finds a story for Danny Meyer every 6 weeks, when there are tens of thousands of restaurants in this city STARVING for attention. Journalism is not publicists.
Phil Johnson (New York, New York)
Chase's headquarters have been at 270 Park since 1996. https://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/19/nyregion/thecity/19landmark.html 28 Liberty, formerly known as 1 Chase Manhattan Plaza, has been basically a location for back office and middle office underlings, not the big dogs. The last paragraph of this review conjures images of corrupt bankers from fictional TV shows - why is this in a Danny Meyer restaurant review? Kind of ends on a sour note. Maybe that was the point?
Ground Control (Los Angeles)
On the case of the missing "n": The restaurant shares its name (and perhaps takes it from) an important 1921 film by Paul Strand and Charles Sheeler. An early take on the "city symphony" genre, it's a largely celebratory view of a modernist city on the rise, mass immigration included. Much of it was shot in or around the Financial District. https://www.moma.org/collection/works/94217
Melpow (Downtown NYC)
@Ground Control Yes, exactly Ground Control - that's the reference Meyer et al is making. Thanks for posting.
Mary (Palos Park, IL)
The name "Manhatta" also serves as a nod to other artistic expressions inspired by the city, including avant-garde documentary, Manhatta, directed by painter Charles Sheeler and photographer Paul Strand (1921), and the poem, Manahatta, by Walt Whitman (1860).
Vanessa Hall (Millersburg, MO)
@Mary - And, I might add, John Keene's short story Manhatta in his book titled Counternarratives.
Bill (NYC)
Why does the reviewer find it necessary to denigrate the financial services industry, and the tens of thousands of people it employs in NYC, in a restaurant review?
Sh (Brooklyn)
Someone in the Financial Services industry needs a hug or to re-read the review. I'm not sure where he "denigrated" anything. He just stated the facts.
mbg14 (New Jersey)
@BillI I was thinking the same. Mr. Wells waxes a little too poetic in his reviews sometimes. It ends up veering far too into the philosophical for a restaurant review.
Arthur Mullen (Guilford, CT)
Please hold the fake outrage: Pete Wells restaurant review is not responsible for wrecking our country's economy, unlike the irresponsible practices of the financial industry.
eric (nyc)
Second 'n', you mean...
Tuvw Xyz (Evanston, Illinois)
No restaurant that cannot spell its name correctly deserves the attention of the public. Such names as Manhatta instead of Manhattan and a local Oceanique instead of Océanique make me turn the nose on them. The slides show rather eclectic mixtures of seafood and fruit ingredients, and the chef's tattoo on the right forearm does not promote good appetite.
Suzanne Fass (Upper Upper Manhattan)
@Tuvw Xyz Restaurateurs, like a parents, can spell the name of their offspring however they want. That a name is close to an accepted word does not mean that it must be that word.
Nat (NYC)
@Suzanne Fass Restaurateurs, like parents, may make themselves a target of ridicule and contempt if they choose a ridiculous name.
Tuvw Xyz (Evanston, Illinois)
@ Suzanne Fass Upper Upper Manhattan Name and religion are not a rational choice of a newly born. But the restaurateurs should not denature the languages of the names of their establishments. To note, I am sorry to see that a comment of Tammi from Maine, recommended by 33 readers has disappeared from this page. There I was criticized for my disapprobation of the tattoos on the hands and forearms of restaurant workers. In deference to those 34 and some others of similar opinions on other occasions, I wanted to promise to refrain henceforth from commenting on the tattoos.
Bob (Pennsylvania)
The photo shows that the amount of food (especially chicken) on the plate is very small. I imagine it would be enough to satisfy a child's appetite. People are crazy to pay so much for so little!
Bamanyc (New York)
Perhaps the snark about the financial industry has “something” to do with the facts that said industry imploded the world economy, accelerated the ongoing erosion of the middle class, and triggered the populist backlash that is now threatening liberal values the world over. Oh, and said industry got to keep all of their Ill-gotten goodies and work overtime to roll back the sensible reforms put in place during the Obama years.
Michael (NJ)
So how can this get 1-star and be a "critics pick?"
John (Napa, Ca)
@Michael Yea, was wonderin' that myself....
NYCGal (NYC)
@Michael it compensates for the 3$$$ :-) it's designed for the Wall Street crowd...
GC (Manhattan)
Three courses, good food and a beautiful room for $78 including tip is not expensive in Manhattan. An ethnic, neighborhood place would be less. But not by that much. By way of comparison, I had three courses in a local Turkish Place this week for close to $50 with tip and before beers.
Schultzy (San Francisco)
If I read one more comment about Danny Meyer's restaurants' impeccable service, my head is going to explode. Two of my biggest disappointments in terms of service at great restaurants were at Mr. Meyer's restaurants. A meal at Eleven Madison did make me leave the restaurant angry and more recently a meal at Gramercy Tavern was served so poorly it was comical. An elderly couple who obviously were serious regulars were furious and shouting for servers' attention and asking 'what's going on here?' I'm not even considering the time at Eleven Madison that my husband's chair was pulled out for him as he was sitting down, causing his butt to hit the floor!
JBC (Indianapolis)
@Schultzy And in my dozens of visits to several of his establishments I have never experienced anything other than warm, attentive, top-notch service.
GC (Manhattan)
I’m pretty sure 11 Mad is Daniel Humm (sp?), not Denny Meyer. I think you’re confusing Denny / Daniel and may also be conflating 11 Mad with the original Shake Shack, which is a few hundred feet away and most certainly Mr Meyer.
Simon (NYC)
@GC Depends on when she visited EMP. Danny Meyer owned EMP until 2011.
Marge Keller (Midwest)
I wish this restaurant luck and success because that business is always hard, difficult and expensive, especially when it is a failure. Nice photography of the various city views, but to be perfectly honest, the dishes photographed in this article have about as much punch and pizzaz as a brown paper bag - none of the items pictured looked enticing nor appetizing. I've seen better and more appealing and captivating dishes in Mellisa Clark's column on a weekly basis. I would be hard pressed to spend mucho bucks on anything listed on the menu if they looked as blah and bland as the photographs suggested.
J L S (Alexandria VA)
We ate here soon after it’s opening. We ordered the escargot and did something real creepy but funny. We loosened the snails slightly their shells and held them up so that it looked like they were crawling up the side of ConEd Building; and we took iPhone snail selfies while sharing a laugh with the waiters and the sommelier. It seemed a Metropolitan Diary moment! BTW … we enjoyed the food more than Mr. Wells did, it would seem!
GCT (LA)
I like the idea of service being included, but why not include tax as well? That way you would really know what you are spending, instead of having to tack on 10%.
Peter Shelsky (Brooklyn)
10%? That is an unacceptably low gratuity. 20% is standard.
Steven M. (New York, NY)
@Peter Shelsky I'm sure he means tax by that 10%. As in, why don't they just make the menu $85 including tax and tip, instead of doing $78 including tip and then tack on the extra 10% for tax.
mbg14 (New Jersey)
@Peter Shelsky He's talking about the tax, not the gratuity (since it's already included)