What characteristics a dog was selectively bred for is important. A border collie is likely to give warning "nips" when their food is threatened as they do a farmers cattle moving to slow,without injury to the cows. Other breeds were selected for powerful damaging bites. A playful toddler inadvertently threatening to food of these dogs could have more than a nip.
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I am the one who adopted Bacon... more than happy to give updates on how he is doing and share his story!
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What these shelters need are access to trainers who specialize in aggressive dogs. We adopted a chow shepherd mix who was great with us and terrible with anyone else, canine or human. The first trainer we interviewed did intake for the local SPCA. Her assessment: I wouldn't even put this dog on the floor (shorthand for euthanasia). Thankfully we found a trainer who specialized in aggressive dogs. Peggy Davis trained not only the dog but the owners. Her private and public classes (the acid test - since your dog is out there with other aggressive dogs) let you understand fear-based aggression and how to handle it. The result: 9 years later we still have this loving, loyal, incredibly intelligent dog who just needed a second chance combined with the right education. And you know what? We got the better of the deal!
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We adopted a dog that failed the test. Our guess is that he was on the street for at least 4 months. He was malnourished (11 pounds - normal weight 15)and badly matted. Someone picked him up and tried to shave him, nicking his Achilles tendon. He was brought to a vet who stitched him up but instructed the rescuers to get him to an orthopedic specialist. They brought him to a local shelter. He was transferred to NYC ACC where they did the surgery. Knowing him, I can only imagine how frightened he must have been. Then they tested him and found him to be aggressive. He was put on the kill list.
On a Saturday night his picture appeared on Facebook, complete with his leg in a cast and the saddest eyes I have ever seen. He was to be killed the next day. I knew right then I could not let that happen. I had seen a lot of these alerts but there was something about this dog. I knew we had to save him.
He had a lot of adjusting to do and it was not easy for any of us. We worked with a very kind and smart veterinary behaviorist. She taught us to watch his behavior and identify triggers. It is now 3 years later and the transformation has been unbelievable. He is loving and makes us laugh.
On a Saturday night his picture appeared on Facebook, complete with his leg in a cast and the saddest eyes I have ever seen. He was to be killed the next day. I knew right then I could not let that happen. I had seen a lot of these alerts but there was something about this dog. I knew we had to save him.
He had a lot of adjusting to do and it was not easy for any of us. We worked with a very kind and smart veterinary behaviorist. She taught us to watch his behavior and identify triggers. It is now 3 years later and the transformation has been unbelievable. He is loving and makes us laugh.
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As someone who worked as an animal behaviorist at a shelter, my biggest issue with the tests (which my shelter did not implement) was that a dog absolutely can tell the difference between a rubber hand and a human hand. Of course a dog will be more likely to attack something made out of the same material its toys are made of when put into its food dish than a real human hand.
I also have an issue with automatically disqualifying dog aggressive dogs for adoption. One of my 3 dogs is dog aggressive. Her aggression is based solely on fear, and while she has gotten into several tussles with other dogs, none have had worse than a scratch and most have had no more than some wet fur. She is a 50 pound dog, so she is big enough to do damage. What she has is bite inhibition, which is far more important in deciding safety in a dog than just about anything else. I can safely say, if my dog ever was provoked to bite a person (remember anything with teeth can bite and there is no such thing as a guarantee that a dog will never bite a person), she would do as little harm as necessary. She controls very well how hard she bites down and doesn't bite down hard. That is a safe dog, yet in many shelters, she would be put down.
I also have an issue with automatically disqualifying dog aggressive dogs for adoption. One of my 3 dogs is dog aggressive. Her aggression is based solely on fear, and while she has gotten into several tussles with other dogs, none have had worse than a scratch and most have had no more than some wet fur. She is a 50 pound dog, so she is big enough to do damage. What she has is bite inhibition, which is far more important in deciding safety in a dog than just about anything else. I can safely say, if my dog ever was provoked to bite a person (remember anything with teeth can bite and there is no such thing as a guarantee that a dog will never bite a person), she would do as little harm as necessary. She controls very well how hard she bites down and doesn't bite down hard. That is a safe dog, yet in many shelters, she would be put down.
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To all the people working in dog and cat rescue and in shelters around the country, whether those shelter euthanizes or not, thank you for what you do every day. It is such a very hard job. Often heartbreaking, sometimes rewarding. Most of us never see what you see. So, just thanks, for sticking with it even though it's sad and hard and for making a difference in some animals' lives.
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"Euthanasia rates are down, although the A.S.P.C.A. said 670,000 dogs are put to death each year."
Many of these animal carcasses are sent to rendering plants where they're transformed into substances that are used for commercial purposes, such as pet food ingredients. "Meat by-products" usually refers to the rendered animal protein contained in pet foods. According to a NYT article, "What’s in a Lethal Injection ‘Cocktail’?", pentobarbital is the main chemical used for euthanizing animals. The same chemical shows up in pet food, due to its content of euthanized and rendered animal parts, and occasionally, some pet food has been recalled due to "excessive" levels of pentobarbital.
Many of these animal carcasses are sent to rendering plants where they're transformed into substances that are used for commercial purposes, such as pet food ingredients. "Meat by-products" usually refers to the rendered animal protein contained in pet foods. According to a NYT article, "What’s in a Lethal Injection ‘Cocktail’?", pentobarbital is the main chemical used for euthanizing animals. The same chemical shows up in pet food, due to its content of euthanized and rendered animal parts, and occasionally, some pet food has been recalled due to "excessive" levels of pentobarbital.
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Let's see .... if a shelter gets 1,000 dogs but only 900 families want to adopt, what do we think will happen to the other 100? We should use stringent standards on pet placement.
And please stop the fascination with no-kill shelters. These places are just off-loading to another shelter their personal qualms about euthanizing.
And please stop the fascination with no-kill shelters. These places are just off-loading to another shelter their personal qualms about euthanizing.
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I've had dogs all my life. Sticking one's hand into a dog's feeding bowl is provocative and foolish. Your dog may not bite you, but (s)he will become very protective and likely growl as a warning. Keep doing it and one is likely to see increasingly aggressive behavior. It's not a fair test of how good or bad a dog is.
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I grew up in a big family that had a soft heart for dogs, cats and many other types of pets: we always had at least one dog and one cat as pets while I was growing up. I have seen children do just what the testers used a plastic hand to do, that is go up to a dog while it is eating its meal, and the dog better not bite the child or the dog is a goner. Kids can't be watched 24 hours a day, and although efforts to separate a dog while it is eating are made, sometimes kids crawl or toddle away just for a minute, and that is all it takes for something sad and tragic to happen.
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From all the comments here, I am assuming everyone here is pro-life. Not just for dogs, but people too.
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False equivalence. If people here were against spying and neutering dogs to keep unborn dogs from coming into the world, then yes they should all be pro-life. But I will hazard to guess that nobody in this thread believes we should kill all the orphan children who don't follow instructions and occasionally act out.
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Nathan Winograd started the no kill mantra and it has spread in the shelter community like a virus. I have been involved in animal rescue since 1989. I speak from personal experience. Not every dog or cat can or should be placed for adoption. Some are quite dangerous and go on to hurt humans or other animals. But shelters and rescue groups are determined to save them all. It is simply not possible. Granted, shelters take in animals day in and day out for frivolous reasons. I've heard the all like the fetus is allergic to the dog. Oh cry me a river. I believe in safety first. I do not want to see anyone get hurt and this happens because of the zealots in the no kill movement. There's no talking to them. I have tried and gave up. Worse than than the Taliban.
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Two bad experiences with dog bites while larger dogs were attacking smaller dogs makes me realize that it is irresponsible owners who deserve punishment. Some owners keep their dogs penned up without exercise. Some do not socialize their dogs with people or other dogs. Some owners are negligent letting them loose without any leash or other strong restraints.
And some owners are simply unable to control their large very strong dogs.
And some owners are simply unable to control their large very strong dogs.
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Many of these dogs demonstrating human friendliness and dog aggression have been trained that another dog represents a "kill or be killed" situation.
So they respond quite instinctively. Some, with time and proper control, can be retrained so that they don't immediately perceive that other dog as a threat or prey. This may take years to accomplish, unless one has the benefit of a mainstreaming program for hardcases. Even after rehab, these dogs may relapse when unsupervised. At a minimum, dogs with this history require a lifetime of conscious, direct supervision- at all times.
So they respond quite instinctively. Some, with time and proper control, can be retrained so that they don't immediately perceive that other dog as a threat or prey. This may take years to accomplish, unless one has the benefit of a mainstreaming program for hardcases. Even after rehab, these dogs may relapse when unsupervised. At a minimum, dogs with this history require a lifetime of conscious, direct supervision- at all times.
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Before my dog friend came to live with me, the supervisor of the local animal control shelter tried very hard to convince me that he was "unadoptable." When he arrived at the shelter, after escaping a scandalously neglectful situation only to be caught by the cops, he was given the "food aggression" test described in the article. He failed, biting the plastic "hand" that was pulling away the first food he'd seen in awhile. A little research on my part showed that the test was well-known by experts to be bogus, bearing no relation to how a dog would respond in a normal household setting. Finally, after a month of arguing with them and signing all manner of waiver forms (and the supervisor warning me that the dog would "tear [my] hand off" if I touched his food dish), I was able to bring home.
The first thing I did was to give him some food, then slowly pull his dish away. All he did was follow the food. He didn't bite; he didn't even growl. So much for his "food aggression" and the test that nearly led to his being killed by the county shelter. In fact, I'm quite sure that the real purpose of these "behavior tests," apart from protecting the shelter from liability issues, is to justify the high rate of ethanasia for the dogs and cats that come into the shelters but are difficult to place and expensive to keep. In 2016, the year I adopted my dog, that animal control shelter killed 840 dogs and 917 cats, 34% of all admitted.
The first thing I did was to give him some food, then slowly pull his dish away. All he did was follow the food. He didn't bite; he didn't even growl. So much for his "food aggression" and the test that nearly led to his being killed by the county shelter. In fact, I'm quite sure that the real purpose of these "behavior tests," apart from protecting the shelter from liability issues, is to justify the high rate of ethanasia for the dogs and cats that come into the shelters but are difficult to place and expensive to keep. In 2016, the year I adopted my dog, that animal control shelter killed 840 dogs and 917 cats, 34% of all admitted.
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What this article fails to consider is that, while it's true that guarding behaviors in a shelter do not always persist once placed in a home, the level of bite a dog chooses to inflict during these assessments may be very relevant.
At this time, there is no research that tells us whether or not a dog that inflicts a Lev 4 bite during a shelter assessment will use that same amount of force if a bite is triggered in other contexts later in that dog's life.
As a behavior consultant who specializes in aggression and works with dog owners who have adopted dogs that later exhibit aggression outside the shelter, I think this is an important question we need to be asking before throwing out shelter assessments altogether. Because a dog that growls and snaps during the assessment is far less of a risk than a dog that bites without warning. I've pulled dogs into rescue who made all sorts of noise, but the bite to the hand was inhibited, meaning it would not have caused injury.
Part of the problem is that many of the people trained to do these assessments have no background in behavior and are not required or encouraged to learn more about aggression so that they can better assess a dog that is a real threat.
At this time, there is no research that tells us whether or not a dog that inflicts a Lev 4 bite during a shelter assessment will use that same amount of force if a bite is triggered in other contexts later in that dog's life.
As a behavior consultant who specializes in aggression and works with dog owners who have adopted dogs that later exhibit aggression outside the shelter, I think this is an important question we need to be asking before throwing out shelter assessments altogether. Because a dog that growls and snaps during the assessment is far less of a risk than a dog that bites without warning. I've pulled dogs into rescue who made all sorts of noise, but the bite to the hand was inhibited, meaning it would not have caused injury.
Part of the problem is that many of the people trained to do these assessments have no background in behavior and are not required or encouraged to learn more about aggression so that they can better assess a dog that is a real threat.
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Three weeks ago I adopted a dog from an AKC-affiliated breed-specific rescue group. The dog had issues related to gunshot wounds and had been in medical observation and foster care for eight months. He had been evaluated by breeders, veterinarians, and veterinary behaviorists. I assumed the dog had been fully vetted, and I went into this adoption with my eyes wide open regarding his challenges. We had to euthanize him on Saturday due to unpredictable aggression. First, rescue groups are often run by volunteers who lack the professional training to accurately assess dogs. They may lack the financial resources to engage licensed veterinarians or veterinary behaviorists. They may choose to ignore veterinary advice. The volunteers are in a position to “play doctor” with rescued dogs. They were forthcoming with me about some, but not all, of this dog's medical issues. Second, animal shelters and rescue organizations are typically non-profit organizations who rely on donations to fulfill their mission. They have tremendous financial incentive to post success stories and strong placement statistics to support future donations. This was my case as this dog had a significant Facebook presence and a world-wide following. Rescue groups obviously have good intention, but some dogs simply should not be saved. I hope my story provides food for thought for these organizations.
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It's great to see this research being taken seriously by academics and the press. Yet while research like this on dog behavior can help shelter workers do their jobs more effectively and reduce euthanasia, we should be looking more to legislators to ban puppy mills and internet puppy sellers, which are adding to the pet overpopulation problem and driving the over-crowding of shelters. Unfortunately the puppy mill industry is better at lobbying and PR than the animal shelters. Still, it's good to see that in recent years, shelters and rescue groups are starting to get the credit they deserve for making efforts to reduce euthanasia rates and increase adoption rates. And it's great that we're starting to see the people who adopt animals from shelters instead of buying from pet stores supplied by puppy mills as heroes. I've adopted 2 dogs and 3 cats from shelters over the years and it's been such a heart-warming experience.
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Yes yes and yes. Breeders and designer dog enthusiasts should shoulder much of the blame. We need legislation to regulate breeding and mandatory spay and neutering of all pets unless one has a state license to breed and facilities that pass inspection.
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It would not be cruel to humanely euthanize the approximate 7 million unwanted dogs and cats that end up in animal shelters every year. There are already about 80 million of them being kept as pets according to ASPCA information so it would appear that they are not in danger of extinction. Selection processes such as these outlined in the article only demonstrate how far anthropomorphism will cause well meaning animal lovers to go. BTW I have had many cats and dogs as loving pets, but they were privileged.
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I have volunteered at AC&C for many years, and have fostered shelter dogs. I always tell people that the dog you see in the shelter is not the same one you'll see in your home two weeks later. A shelter is a very unnatural, very high stress environment and any behavioral testing will be skewed by that environment combined with the circumstances behind how that dog got there and its history. I've seen too many dogs with a "caution" sticker on their card because they snapped at an assessor or staff member on intake but after a few days of adjustment are fine (or as one can be in a shelter). But that sticker and the note in the system remain. I understand why staff assesses, but I've had my doubts re: validity for a long time.
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I am so glad to see this article. Shelters need to stop killing with this excuse to make the humans feel better. No kill shelters are successful across the nation regardless of demographics - with save rates of 90% and up to 98%. "Adopt some and kill the rest" is unnecessary and immoral. Please check http://www.nokilladvocacycenter.org/shelter-reform.html.
The toolkit is full of simple measures to improve adoption rates.
I have two dogs who were on death row for failing the damn tests and both are loving, happy dogs. Homeless dogs and cats are being killed because of lazy and incompetent staff at shelters in America.
The toolkit is full of simple measures to improve adoption rates.
I have two dogs who were on death row for failing the damn tests and both are loving, happy dogs. Homeless dogs and cats are being killed because of lazy and incompetent staff at shelters in America.
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And do you know how many of those 90-98% of dogs adopted out from no-kill shelters are euthanized in other shelters or vet offices for aggression post-adoption? You don't. Because no-kill shelters don't track those numbers. They also don't track the number of dogs they refuse to take back when it ends up at another shelter, forcing the horrible kill-shelter to euthanize the dog.
And yet you can ask just about any employee at a no-kill shelter if they know of cases like this, and they do. Because they are happening everywhere.
No-kill is a nice idea, but the realities go far beyond what the fancy website reports. You want to save dogs, go work in a shelter.
And yet you can ask just about any employee at a no-kill shelter if they know of cases like this, and they do. Because they are happening everywhere.
No-kill is a nice idea, but the realities go far beyond what the fancy website reports. You want to save dogs, go work in a shelter.
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You must not live in the US. Cats are are not indigenous here and destroy a lot of habitat. In the northern states they can't survive the harsh winters and often die from disease or frostbite. Cats are domesticated animals that should always be kept indoors. I've always found it fascinating that people think it's ok to let a cat "roam," especially in an urban area, but would never dream of letting a dog roam or a 5 year-old child roam. I work with a shelter and the amount of "roaming" animals we get in that have disease, been hit by cars, animal attacks, etc would sicken you. And most can't be saved and are put down.
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I do emotional clearing work on people. I have also worked on some animals. Shelters should consider getting people who do this work on their team. Many of us would volunteer it at no cost because it is so rewarding.
Animals behavior is a complex mix of instincts, prior life experiences and also the people who owned the pet prior to arriving at the shelter. The prior life experiences and energy from past owners can be completely cleared with emotional clearing work. I specifically use the body code and emotion code. It is great because one does not need all the details of what happened in the animals past, although that is helpful.
Animals behavior is a complex mix of instincts, prior life experiences and also the people who owned the pet prior to arriving at the shelter. The prior life experiences and energy from past owners can be completely cleared with emotional clearing work. I specifically use the body code and emotion code. It is great because one does not need all the details of what happened in the animals past, although that is helpful.
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If a dog bites a child, it needs to be put down. End of story.
I also am appalled that these animal nuts (yes they are NUTS) manage to find vast amounts of resources while we still have problems with child poverty and mass incarceration. These lunatics are infecting every corner of society. They bring their dogs on planes (they belong in the cargo hold) and lock their cats up indoors (cats are supposed to roam free). They set up $300k gofundme funds for prosthetic legs for puppies (An animal born legless should be put down). It. Is. Ridiculous.
I also am appalled that these animal nuts (yes they are NUTS) manage to find vast amounts of resources while we still have problems with child poverty and mass incarceration. These lunatics are infecting every corner of society. They bring their dogs on planes (they belong in the cargo hold) and lock their cats up indoors (cats are supposed to roam free). They set up $300k gofundme funds for prosthetic legs for puppies (An animal born legless should be put down). It. Is. Ridiculous.
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The average life span of an outdoor cat is 7 years. The average life span of an indoor cat is more than double that. Having a pet has been proven to be healthy for human beings. Being around human beings can be toxic and unhealthy. That said I like my cat more than I like most people.
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Thank you for beautifully illustrating my point.
It isn't like Americans have any interest in ending child poverty or mass incarceration, and providing for the animals humans are responsible for changes that.
And birds and those of us who care about native species disagree strongly with your bizarre notion that cats should roam free. They unequivocally should not.
And birds and those of us who care about native species disagree strongly with your bizarre notion that cats should roam free. They unequivocally should not.
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Blue had a history of biting, so no matter what the temperament test indicated, they knew he had aggression issues and should never have shipped him out to that shady "rehab" center in Virginia whose "training" amounted to torturing him with a shock collar.
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The article fails to address one of the basic facts: there are very significant differences among breeds of dogs with respect to dog bites and fatalities.
Read the Centers for Disease Control report:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm
Pit bulls and rottweilers have 15 times the attack rate of St Bernards and you would be hard pressed to find a labrador retriever attack.
Read the Centers for Disease Control report:
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00047723.htm
Pit bulls and rottweilers have 15 times the attack rate of St Bernards and you would be hard pressed to find a labrador retriever attack.
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I worked with a Lab that almost killed a woman and had to be pried off by his owners. I've worked with countless Golden Retrievers who have a long and bite history. Those numbers only reflect bites that were reported. Not everyone seeks out medical treatment for bites or reports when their own dog bites them, or a friend or family member. So those statistics are flawed because they reflect a small number of bite incidents.
As for those of us who actually work with dogs, we can tell you that breed is only a factor inasmuch as the damage caused by a dog that bites, not the dog's likelihood of biting.
As for those of us who actually work with dogs, we can tell you that breed is only a factor inasmuch as the damage caused by a dog that bites, not the dog's likelihood of biting.
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This article is only reporting on FATALITIES, which is a tiny percentage of all dog bites (millions every yer) and therefore is not a complete or accurate picture of which dog breeds bite the most. If you look at complete data, actually Labrador Retrievers are pretty high up there: https://www.avma.org/KB/Resources/LiteratureReviews/Pages/The-Role-of-Br...
Yes, pit bulls are more likely to be the cause of a fatality but you are doing every dog and every person a disservice by trying to claim (without the proper evidence) that dogs like Labs don't bite ever.
Yes, pit bulls are more likely to be the cause of a fatality but you are doing every dog and every person a disservice by trying to claim (without the proper evidence) that dogs like Labs don't bite ever.
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I would rather be bitten and survive. Attacks by pit bulls are associated with more severe injuries,"Attacks by pit bulls are associated with higher morbidity rates, higher hospital charges, and a higher risk of death than are attacks by other breeds of dogs." https://www.researchgate.net/publication/51034290_Mortality_Mauling_and_...
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To paraphrase Forrest Gump "rescues are like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're going to get."
We rescued two labs nine years ago. Both were sick when we got them. One never really fully recovered but did live another four years. His brother was with us for seven. Both dogs were excellent despite the illness.
Last year we rescued a shepherd mix. Turned out he was heartworm positive and we're working on that. He has severe separation anxiety, absolute terror of thunderstorms, and the ability to escape almost anything. Just had a new crate delivered that looks like a piece of military equipment. He hates it but he can't get out.
He's good around people unless they're riding a bike. He doesn't play well with other dogs. On his third trip to doggie day care he was expelled for being aggressive (I'm the alpha) toward a great dane and then breaking through a wooden fence and escaping with two other dogs. Our go to place disappeared and we had to find one with kennels and much higher cost.
Our only choice other than to go through this is to put him down.
My point in writing this is if you're considering rescuing go in with your eyes open and an adequate budget. It took several weeks for Cody to show some of this behavior and by that time its hard to just part with the dog let alone put him down. He's a lovable work in progress.
We rescued two labs nine years ago. Both were sick when we got them. One never really fully recovered but did live another four years. His brother was with us for seven. Both dogs were excellent despite the illness.
Last year we rescued a shepherd mix. Turned out he was heartworm positive and we're working on that. He has severe separation anxiety, absolute terror of thunderstorms, and the ability to escape almost anything. Just had a new crate delivered that looks like a piece of military equipment. He hates it but he can't get out.
He's good around people unless they're riding a bike. He doesn't play well with other dogs. On his third trip to doggie day care he was expelled for being aggressive (I'm the alpha) toward a great dane and then breaking through a wooden fence and escaping with two other dogs. Our go to place disappeared and we had to find one with kennels and much higher cost.
Our only choice other than to go through this is to put him down.
My point in writing this is if you're considering rescuing go in with your eyes open and an adequate budget. It took several weeks for Cody to show some of this behavior and by that time its hard to just part with the dog let alone put him down. He's a lovable work in progress.
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Kudos to you for taking him on, and good luck with Cody!
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i have fostered more than 130 dogs in my home (one at a time) over the last eight years, mostly Labrador retrievers. I have had to evaluate many at shelters. Yes, the shelter is a stressful, chaotic environment, but I do believe in attempting as much evaluation as possible at the shelter.
Rescue groups are far too ready to make excuses for dogs. Some do zero evaluation--incredibly irresponsible when you're asking foster families to take a strange dog into their homes. Once behavioral problems emerge, these groups make excuses for the dogs, spending thousands of dollars on training and boarding, blaming people and the system for the dog's problems.
It's upsetting to see groups waste resources on dogs that cannot be trusted while so many dogs continue to perish in shelters. There are far too many nice dogs who need homes to waste time on dogs that for whatever reason are never going to be good family pets. People who adopt a dog want a nice family member, not a project or a liability.
Rescue groups must evaluate dogs as thoroughly as possible and have the backbone to turn down dogs that show signs of aggression. For starters, no dog with bite history should ever be taken into rescue. And when mistakes are made, rescues also must have the courage to euthanize dogs that are unsafe--or take them off the adoptable list for good.
Rescue groups are far too ready to make excuses for dogs. Some do zero evaluation--incredibly irresponsible when you're asking foster families to take a strange dog into their homes. Once behavioral problems emerge, these groups make excuses for the dogs, spending thousands of dollars on training and boarding, blaming people and the system for the dog's problems.
It's upsetting to see groups waste resources on dogs that cannot be trusted while so many dogs continue to perish in shelters. There are far too many nice dogs who need homes to waste time on dogs that for whatever reason are never going to be good family pets. People who adopt a dog want a nice family member, not a project or a liability.
Rescue groups must evaluate dogs as thoroughly as possible and have the backbone to turn down dogs that show signs of aggression. For starters, no dog with bite history should ever be taken into rescue. And when mistakes are made, rescues also must have the courage to euthanize dogs that are unsafe--or take them off the adoptable list for good.
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As a behavior consultant who works with these dogs once they are placed in homes, I agree 100% with you. We still need assessments and there really are some dogs that are not safe to be placed in the average home. Shelters are being pressured by no-kill groups to spend thousands of dollars to "rehabilitate" dogs, only to have things go horribly wrong post-adoption.
Yes, the goal should be to save as many dogs as possible. But some dogs, through no fault of their own, are simply not safe. Placing those dogs shifts the burden to well-meaning adopters and all too often ends in heartache.
Yes, the goal should be to save as many dogs as possible. But some dogs, through no fault of their own, are simply not safe. Placing those dogs shifts the burden to well-meaning adopters and all too often ends in heartache.
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If I were a parent, I'd want to know how a dog reacts to food getting snatched away, because every dog I know tries to eat his family's food, and the smaller more vulnerable the family member, the easier.
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You're absolutely right. While a dog that bites during an assessment may not need to be euthanized, that should absolutely be taken into consideration when placing that dog in a home. What the dog has exhibited is that, under the right conditions, it WILL bite. It might be absolutely 100% no problem in an adult-only home with people who are able to accurately assess risk and take steps to help the dog adjust.
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@Anonymous: I understand your point, but YOU have to understand that the "snatch away the food bowl" test used on dogs in a shelter environment is not going to demonstrate what you want to know. You're comparing apples & oranges.
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Great job with links to background information!
Fatal dog attacks in the United States are the occurrences of fatalities attributed to dogs during specific years. At least 4.5 – 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs every year and, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 20 to 30 of these result in death. I was attacked by a family friends mutt when I was 7 years old. Ever since then I don't trust any dog. I am an avid walker and carry a golf club in case a dog tries to attack. Many dog owners get offended when they see my golf club. They often say my dog is safe and doesn't bite. I tell them that I only trust dogs who have no teeth.
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So everyday when you leave your home you walk out w.a golf club?
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Drop the golf club and carry a small squirt bottle. Fill it with a mixture of ammonia and water (add the water so the ammonia injure the dog. The ratio is up to you). If a dog is about to bite you, squirt him/her in the face with the mixture. The dog will immediately drop, roll and run away. It works as well as pepper spray and is cheap. A pit bull/boxer mix was neutralized by me this way recently, and she has a good memory. She'll get it in the face again if she tries anything. BTW, I'm as much a dog lover as anyone here, but nobody's dog has a right to bite me.
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"At least 4.5 – 4.7 million Americans are bitten by dogs every year and, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), 20 to 30 of these result in death."
OK, let's roll some numbers:
From 2014: (http://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/mortality-risk)
Deaths from dog: 38
Deaths from assault by firearms (not carried by dogs): 10,945
Death from accidental firearm discharge (again, not carried by dogs): 586
Death from motor vehicle (not driven by dogs): 35,398
I think you should be more fearful of the dog owner than the dog.
OK, let's roll some numbers:
From 2014: (http://www.iii.org/fact-statistic/mortality-risk)
Deaths from dog: 38
Deaths from assault by firearms (not carried by dogs): 10,945
Death from accidental firearm discharge (again, not carried by dogs): 586
Death from motor vehicle (not driven by dogs): 35,398
I think you should be more fearful of the dog owner than the dog.
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The test is a bad one, but in this comment string I read so much advice about how a dog needs to be well-trained and treated properly and with deference to non-obvious violent defensive maneuvers such as while at his food dish. If this much care is necessary to prevent getting harmed by a dog, it is powerful evidence that dogs are inherently dangerous.
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Well of course they are! So is every single other animal on the planet, when threatened, abused, neglected or terrorized etc.
Humans are exponentially more dangerous than dogs. There's not even any comparison.
Humans are exponentially more dangerous than dogs. There's not even any comparison.
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Wouldn't you agree that people need to be well-trained and treated properly? And so by your logic people are inherently dangerous? And then so what?
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Our two most popular pets, dogs and cats, are predators complete with all the equipment even if they don't technically need it anymore. They are capable of an ungodly amount of damage if angry or provoked. Thankfully they are domestic animals and live peacefully with us. Pets that attack are outliers, but we shouldn't forget what our pets are capable of and ensure that others especially children, the elderly and other animals are kept safe.
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The standard that should be applied to this or any other test is NOT "Is this test highly predictive?". The sad truth is that shelters must make decisions due to overcrowding. So, the standard needs to be, "Is this test more predictive than other tests or methods?" ... a comparative, not absolute level of proof. If a certain number of dogs must be euthanised due to overcrowding, ANY information is better than pure randomness.
Terrible decisions to make. I look forward to a day when these decisions are not forced.
Terrible decisions to make. I look forward to a day when these decisions are not forced.
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Our dog emits a low level growl if the cat comes near her food. She has never snapped, never bared her teeth or made any other aggressive move, so we chalk it up to "I'm hungry, go away." She will let me grab her bowl while she's eating. My husband growls if someone inches towards his plate, maybe he should be evaluated too? While I applaud the effort to make sure animals and people are safe, I think the food test is wholly inaccurate. A better evaluation is needed.
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Well, yes, frankly if your husband literally growls if someone gets near his food, that's a problem.
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If the test has no predictive value, it is not a testing what they think it is; in fact it is not a test at all. Why not just get rid of the dangerous breeds? Evert single article in the news about a dog harming a child is about a Rottweiler or a so-called Pit Bull. These breeds are genetic time bombs, and you know it.
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"Every single" is overstating (& therein lies the danger). Golden retrievers have a high bite count as well because statistically there are so many out there (popular family pet choice). And chihuahuas are THE most aggressive. Where do you suggest we stop in exterminating breeds? And what of mixed breeds, when she's no way to tell -- just decide based on "looks?" As with most overly simple solutions, this one quickly falls apart when pushed up against reality.
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You might be right Sab, but a good size 10 will eliminate the chihuahua. They are all bark, no bit. Pit bulls, all bite, no bark.
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It does seem that more and more people have become more and more attached to their dogs (and cats) - including those who already have children -- which has led to defensiveness by some pet owners. It's also created an ethic held by some that pets-are-people-too, which can minimize the safety of humans, especially young humans. Vets -- good people! -- are not above monetizing this notion of doing all one can for one's 'pet-person.'
Animal shelters have it tough: they do a tremendous service for both animals and people. But they should also find more effective means, with greater financial support from the community, to determine safe vs less safe animals. Less safe, threatening animals should never be placed in a home with children or the elderly, ever. We should care for animals, never abuse them, never dress them up or parade them around, never put them at risk -- and we should not perceive them as possessing the same moral weight as our children, our elders, or ourselves.
Animal shelters have it tough: they do a tremendous service for both animals and people. But they should also find more effective means, with greater financial support from the community, to determine safe vs less safe animals. Less safe, threatening animals should never be placed in a home with children or the elderly, ever. We should care for animals, never abuse them, never dress them up or parade them around, never put them at risk -- and we should not perceive them as possessing the same moral weight as our children, our elders, or ourselves.
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I have rescue who actually went through a training with prisoners, and she was dreadful when I first took her home. No one could be near her when food was involved. I thought she would eat the cats. Even though she is a 30 pound spitz, she was incredibly aggressive toward my large golden retriever. The adoption wasn't finalized until after one week at home. In a week, I felt like I had made a terrible mistake bringing her to a home with cats and another dog. At her last foster family, it was just her and the human. They begged me to keep her, saying they've tried so long to find her a home. It was exhausting, but little by little, she slowly learned eat in the kitchen with the other dog and to not chase the cats. I don't see how she could have passed this test. When I did the meet and greet at the shelter, and I drove 100 miles with my golden retriever for this visit, she attacked him when he tried drinking water. I tried leaving without her, but they threw her bag of toys and food in the car and said all would be well. It's been three years now, and the cats are still leery around her, the golden gives her a wide berth, but she's a part of the family now. What family is perfect?
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I commend you for hanging in there and dislike how you were disrespected. This is why I foster to adopt, to have time to evaluate in a good situation.
As a former foster of shelter dogs, I recently adopted a small dog. He'd been in 4 foster homes over the past year and you could see it in his eyes--the desperation and defiance of not going to bond with you because I'm a bad dog and you'll just leave anyway.
He's bad with children (I have none), bad with cats (I have none) and just okay with other dogs (I have a tolerant, large one). He's elderly and came to rescue because his owners died. He's opinionated at the top of his voice and not all that affectionate, snaps at treats and holds grudges. I think he curses me out in his thoughts. He has no interest whatsoever in pleasing me.
But, he's home for the rest of his life. The look in his eyes is now lively curiosity as he throws his toys around. He deigns to sleep on my bed and has stopped chasing my larger dog away from me. Plus, who else would adopt him?
As a former foster of shelter dogs, I recently adopted a small dog. He'd been in 4 foster homes over the past year and you could see it in his eyes--the desperation and defiance of not going to bond with you because I'm a bad dog and you'll just leave anyway.
He's bad with children (I have none), bad with cats (I have none) and just okay with other dogs (I have a tolerant, large one). He's elderly and came to rescue because his owners died. He's opinionated at the top of his voice and not all that affectionate, snaps at treats and holds grudges. I think he curses me out in his thoughts. He has no interest whatsoever in pleasing me.
But, he's home for the rest of his life. The look in his eyes is now lively curiosity as he throws his toys around. He deigns to sleep on my bed and has stopped chasing my larger dog away from me. Plus, who else would adopt him?
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I was on the board of a small animal shelter for a number of years. Many of these shelters are chronically underfunded. They struggle to meet payroll and vet expenses. They have trouble hiring competent staff. A raise in the minimum wage can be devastating to a shelter. Most people who work in shelters are motivated by their love of dogs & cats.
The shelter that I served had one incident where a large dog pinned a woman to the couch in an act of vicious aggression that was not anticipated by the shelter. In response, the shelter determined that it had to take reasonable effort to screen for aggression. We were a "no kill" shelter, but dogs and cats determined to be aggressive were regretfully put down. Those who opposed any euthanasia were unable to offer alternative solutions for animals identified as aggressive.
The testing was imprecise and the staff was not perfectly skilled. Undoubtedly some dogs & cats were put down unnecessarily. But the shelter could hardly afford its liability insurance. Risk management was an essential part of legal claim reduction.
The regretful truth is that the survival of the shelter in more important than the survival of any individual dog. As a lover of rescue dogs, I say this with sadness.
The shelter that I served had one incident where a large dog pinned a woman to the couch in an act of vicious aggression that was not anticipated by the shelter. In response, the shelter determined that it had to take reasonable effort to screen for aggression. We were a "no kill" shelter, but dogs and cats determined to be aggressive were regretfully put down. Those who opposed any euthanasia were unable to offer alternative solutions for animals identified as aggressive.
The testing was imprecise and the staff was not perfectly skilled. Undoubtedly some dogs & cats were put down unnecessarily. But the shelter could hardly afford its liability insurance. Risk management was an essential part of legal claim reduction.
The regretful truth is that the survival of the shelter in more important than the survival of any individual dog. As a lover of rescue dogs, I say this with sadness.
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Well said. Regretfully so....
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My beloved cat was mauled to death by a neighbor's pit bull. I later discovered the dog was shipped here due to an aggressive act in another state. A few months ago, a little dog down the street was also killed by a pit bull. It could have just as easily been my little dog. Pit bulls routinely kill our companion animals, but most people are oblivious until it happens to them. In my experience, the people who should care about our animals being killed - pit bull owners, Animal Control, the police, and the rescue groups that shuffle dangerous dogs from one unsuspecting community to another - simply don't.
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Was the pit bull on a leash or was your cat wandering on its property? Too many cat owners feel it is their right to allow their cats to roam neighborhoods killing birds, reptiles and small mammals, yet when a cat is killed by a coyote or dog they demand action. The bottom line is keep your cat indoors and dogs fenced or on a leash
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Definitely safer to not let your beloved cat and small dogs roam outside. Roaming animals are at risk for myriad forms of death: cars, coyotes, mean people, freak accidents, and, yes, sometimes other roaming dogs.
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That pit bull would no longer be in my neighborhood--no matter what method it took to remove it. Period. Bother my dog or ca, and you have made a determined enemy. The pit bull is not the problem; the owners are the problem. They need to pay for all traumas caused by their animal and remove the animal from the premises permanently. In my neighborhood, there have been two incidents. Both animals are no longer in our neighborhood.
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I have often thought that anyone considering having a pet dog attend mandatory training classes - for themselves. Dogs are animals, not babies. Not children. Not spouse-alternatives.
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A suggestion for a requirement for training owners pretty much seals the deal: dogs are inherently dangerous.
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as are people
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You've posted this comment in several places. I will counter that there are many things that are "inherently dangerous" that, with proper precautions and training, pose little danger. It is a lack of understanding that causes danger. Consider swimming pools, propane tanks, or other living creatures like horses. All are capable of killing, but with a basic understanding, are not likely to do so.
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My dog is a rescue. We adopted him in 2010. I have no doubt he would have failed all these artificial tests which are done in artificial high stress situations. He had been rescued for a reason and has burns on his back to show for it. The result being that my bright, sunny, happy pup would have been euthanized as per this protocol . He would never have been given the chance to live the Life of Riley that he does now. Stop with the artificial tests.
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I've rescued most of my life. I've been an animal control officer, cruelty investigator, vet tech, and a rescue director for the past 20 years. I rescue hounds. Overall they tend to be a very gentle breed. I carry expensive insurance in case my dogs bite someone. I would feel horrible if one of my adoptees bit an infant or small child. In rescue, we place our dogs in foster homes and test them for a variety of things. "Other dog" food aggression is the rule, rather than the exception with hounds. If the dog is aggressive to people while they're eating, it's a problem. I always suggest people keep the kids away from dogs while eating and NEVER EVER leave a child unattended with any dog. That being said, I've had to have 3 dogs humanely destroyed over the years. I couldn't take the chance. Shelters are bad for dogs. Noisy, smell of death, and stressful. www.petfinder.com
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The problem is rescue pit bulls and other fight dogs. Pit bull advocates have been spending years trying to convince the public that these dogs are (a) sweetly tempered; and (b) no more dangerous that a daschund. Of course despite a few exceptions (as in everything) it's complete nonsense and it undermines the credibility of research efforts like this because dog owners are seen as nuts who like dogs better than people. I've had dogs for decades, but I never forget that except for a brief period when they are puppies, the only people who will truly love and tolerate my dogs are the family members who live with and care for them. To everyone else, dogs are probably an annoyance at best, and nobody should be put at risk of injury or worse by a dog simply because some sympathetic advocates think that concealed behind a menacing canine exterior is a sweet little lamb that wants to be loved.
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With their fabulous sense of smell, how many dogs would NOT recognize a fake hand for what it is? Fake. Makes you wonder about the intelligence and logic skills of the human who thought this particular test up.
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Great comment. My dog failed the test because he's hard wired to have something in his mouth (part wire-haired pointer). He's now 5, but still carries sonething around in his mouth all day. He doesn't have an aggressive bone in his body. He was to be put down the next day, but a rescue worker took him home because he was so sweet. Thank God. I would not have him in my life if not for her!
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We'll know we've evolved once we express the same compassion and concern for the life and death of human embryos.
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Or even better, what happens to the embryos once they're born! Will the embryo's mother be given maternity leave and affordable childcare and healthcare resources? And a living wage? Those elements help us be "pro-life," anything less is just "pro-birth." Humanely caring for animals is another valid way to be pro-life.
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One aspect lacking in the dogs' food tests is how a dog acts when in the company of another dog and a *human* is eating food. Five months ago, my 13-year-old shih tzu Bailey (whom we adopted at age 11 when a shelter was going to euthanize him for growling) had two beautiful, healthy shiny eyes. Now he has only one eye, that is cloudy with impaired vision.
Why? Because the Cesky terrier we fostered for a rescue in March - who'd been a sweetheart - suddenly lunged at our Bailey late one night while both dogs were sitting quietly watching my dad have a snack. The terrier bit Bailey's right eye and the eye popped out, with blood everywhere from the terrier's multiple bites. We rushed Bailey to an emergency vet at 2 a.m., where he had surgery to remove the eye the vet said couldn't be saved, due to lateral muscles inside his eye socket being torn.
The terrier went back to the rescue in the morning, and Bailey developed a multiple-antibiotic-resistant infection in his eye socket - his swollen face oozing blood and pus for weeks because standard antibiotics weren't working. It took over 2 months of stronger targeted antibiotics, a dozen vet visits costing $3,400, multiple sedations for diagnostics and treatment, and our 'round-the-clock care including hand-feeding him for 39 days in his cone before Bailey was out of the woods.
Fostering saves lives but the standard behavioral testing given to the terrier utterly failed to predict that the foster would attack our boy like that.
Why? Because the Cesky terrier we fostered for a rescue in March - who'd been a sweetheart - suddenly lunged at our Bailey late one night while both dogs were sitting quietly watching my dad have a snack. The terrier bit Bailey's right eye and the eye popped out, with blood everywhere from the terrier's multiple bites. We rushed Bailey to an emergency vet at 2 a.m., where he had surgery to remove the eye the vet said couldn't be saved, due to lateral muscles inside his eye socket being torn.
The terrier went back to the rescue in the morning, and Bailey developed a multiple-antibiotic-resistant infection in his eye socket - his swollen face oozing blood and pus for weeks because standard antibiotics weren't working. It took over 2 months of stronger targeted antibiotics, a dozen vet visits costing $3,400, multiple sedations for diagnostics and treatment, and our 'round-the-clock care including hand-feeding him for 39 days in his cone before Bailey was out of the woods.
Fostering saves lives but the standard behavioral testing given to the terrier utterly failed to predict that the foster would attack our boy like that.
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Aside from any testing Pit Bulls need to be kept from adoption. The aggression of this breed is a tragedy waiting to happen regardless of test results.
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I suspect that the most common form of dog aggression is dog on dog. If you're a dog owner you've seen vicious dog fights with injury. I even saw a kill. If your dog goes outside, it will inevitably encounter others. And you will have seen dogs fighting. Responsible owners can control their aggressive dogs and pretty much eliminate dangerous encounters. Many do not. There should be a test for the owners, not just the dogs.
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Dumb, heartless people buy more unhealthy "pure bred" dogs for their looks and thereby sentence millions of mixed, unwanted dogs to their deaths. Maybe we should be more like China, Korea and other countries where they eat dogs and cats. Not.
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This is an unfortunate distinction... adopting a rescue dog as being righteously hip. This would be me and hundreds of other people in my community. Adopting a rescue has got to be a better choice than supporting puppy breeding mills which are nothing but heartless places.
Those of us who have taken on the rescue dog have known the rewards of providing secure homes and much more for dogs who thrived with a second chance. There have been 2 rescued pit mixes in my home who have been the most humorous and loving dogs. Keeper, the pit bull/lab/greyhound and Tuna, the pit bull/aussie/greyhound have been beautiful in all ways...intelligent and joyous! And, I would be an idiot to ever try to take their food away from them even though I trust them not to bite me. Both were trained to sit and wait for a signal to come eat. Why would there be the need to reverse the offer? It's theirs.
The rescue dog can take some extra training steps, as Tuna was sent to charm school to learn not to jump up on people, not worry horses, to leave off eating disgusting things and to come when called. When I got her, she was a two year old who no one trained to do even the most basic obedience commands and lived rough for a long while after she had been dumped. Keeper also was never trained and came from a violent household, but he was 6 months old and took special pleasure in learning new things quickly.
Rescues can be fascinating. Keep supporting spay/neuter clinics.
Those of us who have taken on the rescue dog have known the rewards of providing secure homes and much more for dogs who thrived with a second chance. There have been 2 rescued pit mixes in my home who have been the most humorous and loving dogs. Keeper, the pit bull/lab/greyhound and Tuna, the pit bull/aussie/greyhound have been beautiful in all ways...intelligent and joyous! And, I would be an idiot to ever try to take their food away from them even though I trust them not to bite me. Both were trained to sit and wait for a signal to come eat. Why would there be the need to reverse the offer? It's theirs.
The rescue dog can take some extra training steps, as Tuna was sent to charm school to learn not to jump up on people, not worry horses, to leave off eating disgusting things and to come when called. When I got her, she was a two year old who no one trained to do even the most basic obedience commands and lived rough for a long while after she had been dumped. Keeper also was never trained and came from a violent household, but he was 6 months old and took special pleasure in learning new things quickly.
Rescues can be fascinating. Keep supporting spay/neuter clinics.
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"I would be an idiot to ever try to take their food away from them even though I trust them not to bite me."
Right there, you've said it: Much as you wish otherwise, you cannot trust your own dogs not to bite you. Doesn't matter whether you're taking their food or teasing them or giving them a playful belly scratch. If an owner of a dog cannot trust the animal not to bite, then the dog cannot be trusted around people.
You describe a long process by which your dogs have been transformed from what they once were to what you perceive they are now. You cannot know this. You cannot read a dog's mind. You cannot have a conversation with a dog. And so you surmise and guess and instill human qualities into your dogs and think that everything is OK. Most likely, everything is, in fact, OK. But there are way too many cases where people thought the exact same thing and turned out wrong, with horrible consequences.
I have a pug (and yes, it was a rescue pug--hard to imagine, really). It will not come when it is called, unless it knows I have food. It will not sit on command, unless it knows I have food. It doesn't give a hoot about pleasing me, but it does show much love, I think (but cannot know) because we have developed a bond. I know one thing for sure: My dog will not bite a human being, and it has been given every opportunity to do so, from being teased to having its food taken. It may not give a hoot about me, but it understands that biting humans simply isn't done.
Right there, you've said it: Much as you wish otherwise, you cannot trust your own dogs not to bite you. Doesn't matter whether you're taking their food or teasing them or giving them a playful belly scratch. If an owner of a dog cannot trust the animal not to bite, then the dog cannot be trusted around people.
You describe a long process by which your dogs have been transformed from what they once were to what you perceive they are now. You cannot know this. You cannot read a dog's mind. You cannot have a conversation with a dog. And so you surmise and guess and instill human qualities into your dogs and think that everything is OK. Most likely, everything is, in fact, OK. But there are way too many cases where people thought the exact same thing and turned out wrong, with horrible consequences.
I have a pug (and yes, it was a rescue pug--hard to imagine, really). It will not come when it is called, unless it knows I have food. It will not sit on command, unless it knows I have food. It doesn't give a hoot about pleasing me, but it does show much love, I think (but cannot know) because we have developed a bond. I know one thing for sure: My dog will not bite a human being, and it has been given every opportunity to do so, from being teased to having its food taken. It may not give a hoot about me, but it understands that biting humans simply isn't done.
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What I meant was the idiocy of actually taking their food away, because I've offered it...I've given it and it's theirs and it's a matter of respect for them. But, I do remember having to take a bowl of food away to cool down the contents that were too hot. No biting. Both have had to do a lot of fending for themselves and I feel they have earned the right to eat and keep eating until they have cleaned the bowl. I've had to do some pretty rough, sometimes painful and invasive things to them both in the interest of their well being and they will won't bite me. I can remove toys from their mouths and they will not bite. They know not to bite.
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August, seriously, *any* living creature with an instinct for self-preservation is pissed off if someone tries to take its food. It's normal, not an indication the animal is evil. Discussing the need for training to socialize the animal to live with humans is not some kind of "gotcha." Think it through.
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I am the owner of a 10 year old, healthy, gorgeous but agressive birman cat. She has been agressive since age 3 months when I got her. I also own 2 other perfectly behaved cats and have always had cats growing up. Due to the special bond we share and the fact that I know how to handle her, I get along just fine with the birman one, and rarely get scratched. We live in good harmony, she tolerates my husband, and I warn visitors to stay away from her. However, I would totally understand why this cat, placed in a shelter, would never be adoptable - people would literally be afraid of her!!! It is the same, and even more so, with dogs. One agressive dog who bites someone could ruin a shelter's reputation and the adoption chances of tens of other sweet and gentle adult dogs. They do need to test them somehow, to determine whether they are a danger to humans or other dogs. How would you feel if your own dog was killed by the neighbour's recently adopted great dane, thought to be friendly and harmless?!
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False positives that result in unnecessary dog deaths is an emotional hit.
However, false negatives that release a dangerous dog on an unsuspecting new owner is far more serious. Some shelter dogs get there for good reasons.
I do not favor these tests, because they can as easily send out a dangerous dog as destroy a good one. Overcompensating just destroys good dogs, and still does not prevent false negatives.
Our own wonderful experience with a shelter dog was of a dog turned in by her prior owner because of problems. The problem was leaving the dog alone all day. We had kids, and the issue for us was getting dog that would tolerate lots of attention. NEEDING attention was for us a good sign.
Feedback from those turning in dogs, interpreted as we had by a skilled professional, is a better method. The prior owner knows what was "wrong" with the dog, even if they can't deal with it.
My brother has a similar experience, with a bounding untrainable failed "hunting dog." That is exactly what he wanted, Happy Dog, his new name. Both man and dog were lonely.
However, false negatives that release a dangerous dog on an unsuspecting new owner is far more serious. Some shelter dogs get there for good reasons.
I do not favor these tests, because they can as easily send out a dangerous dog as destroy a good one. Overcompensating just destroys good dogs, and still does not prevent false negatives.
Our own wonderful experience with a shelter dog was of a dog turned in by her prior owner because of problems. The problem was leaving the dog alone all day. We had kids, and the issue for us was getting dog that would tolerate lots of attention. NEEDING attention was for us a good sign.
Feedback from those turning in dogs, interpreted as we had by a skilled professional, is a better method. The prior owner knows what was "wrong" with the dog, even if they can't deal with it.
My brother has a similar experience, with a bounding untrainable failed "hunting dog." That is exactly what he wanted, Happy Dog, his new name. Both man and dog were lonely.
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How about investing more as a society in shelters: make them larger and give them more staff, robust volunteer programs, and animal behavior consultants, so that every dog gets individual attention and four outdoor walks every day.
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My son and his family adopted a 3 year old lab pointer mix. She had been abandoned at a boarding kennel. After 3 weeks the kennel called the party that boarded her and they were told they did not want her back. She went to a local shelter for six days. She was very thin. My son selected her and stayed for 3 hours until his wife and son could come to the shelter. Everything frightened her. She wouldn't eat unless her dish was by the table at meal time and she could eat while the family ate. She loved to go to dog parks and played well with other dogs. She did not go potty on a leash so she held everything for 4 days so they took her to the vet and he said keep trying. She slowly overcame her fear of strangers and sudden noises. She no longer cowers when approached nor does she flinch at sudden movements or noises. She is the most well behaved affectionate dog - a real gem. My nine year-old grandson adores her. Thank God for shelters where she was spayed, worm tested and given shots.
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Wonder how Trump would react to this test.
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https://www.nytimes.com/2017/07/31/science/dogs-shelters-adoption-behavi...
I don't think you can predict a person's personality by using some simple testings. Dogs are like humans, you can't say dogs are aggressive just because they snapped at you when you tried to pick out food from their bowls. That dog might be really adorable and well trained, however that was before you pick out the food. Some dogs, especially rescued dogs, you'll never know what kind of nightmares they had experienced before being rescued. Even I don't like it when someone tries to pick out food from my plate, so it won't be surprising for the animals. From my opinion, these kind of tests shouldn't be done on any type of animals because it's really not fair.
I don't think you can predict a person's personality by using some simple testings. Dogs are like humans, you can't say dogs are aggressive just because they snapped at you when you tried to pick out food from their bowls. That dog might be really adorable and well trained, however that was before you pick out the food. Some dogs, especially rescued dogs, you'll never know what kind of nightmares they had experienced before being rescued. Even I don't like it when someone tries to pick out food from my plate, so it won't be surprising for the animals. From my opinion, these kind of tests shouldn't be done on any type of animals because it's really not fair.
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One suspects that most of the negative comments here are from those who do not have dogs
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Perhaps we have our good reasons for not having dogs. How does that disqualify an objective observer? We may well be a more reliable source of objective data than dog owners. Think.
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Actually, it suggests you have less experience. I think in this age of fake news and anti-intellectualism, it is good to get opinions from people who are knowledgeable enough to actually have opinions grounded in reality.
I suspect that some of the negative comments come from people who do not understand dogs, or who have not educated themselves about canine behavior.
I volunteer at a small no kill shelter. The shelter staff has made the difficult decision, after bringing in trainers and/or reaching out rescue groups, to euthanize a couple of dogs that did have major behavior issues. Sadly there are dogs that, in my experience, have suffered abuse or neglect at the hands of humans, and those dogs may be so damaged emotionally that they cannot be rehomed.
I volunteer at a small no kill shelter. The shelter staff has made the difficult decision, after bringing in trainers and/or reaching out rescue groups, to euthanize a couple of dogs that did have major behavior issues. Sadly there are dogs that, in my experience, have suffered abuse or neglect at the hands of humans, and those dogs may be so damaged emotionally that they cannot be rehomed.
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The first rule of interacting with dogs: keep your (and your child's) hand away from their faces. Don't try to pet them on the head. They really don't like it. Even my calm golden retriever mix flinches. People can be so stupid about dogs (and cats).
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One of the greatest problems is that, often enough, people just don't know how dogs react. They think that real-life dogs are like those in Disney films, dogs who are nearly like human beings.
As one writer has already stated, never, ever try to take a dog's food away. Never approach him from the back and start petting him, don't ever hug a dog you don't know, Don't touch a dog without his owner's permission, don't let your children go up to him and, as children will do, pull his tail or ears.
My principle is to let the dog make the first move. There's a really beautiful pit bull in the neighbourhood who will happily come over, sniff you hand and, if he wants a petting, will then lean against you. Use common sense, and you won't have a problem.
As one writer has already stated, never, ever try to take a dog's food away. Never approach him from the back and start petting him, don't ever hug a dog you don't know, Don't touch a dog without his owner's permission, don't let your children go up to him and, as children will do, pull his tail or ears.
My principle is to let the dog make the first move. There's a really beautiful pit bull in the neighbourhood who will happily come over, sniff you hand and, if he wants a petting, will then lean against you. Use common sense, and you won't have a problem.
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Easy to blame the dog, and in some cases it's warranted. But, the one that should be in control is the human, and that makes all the difference. In order to adopt dogs, humans need to understand and be willing to exercise benevolent but strict leadership. The dog is counting on you for that, and if you fail, it will try to exercise its own confused and unsuccessful leadership.
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"... a period during which owning a “rescue dog” acquired something of a righteous hipness."
'Righteous hipness'? That seems snide and unnecessary.
'Righteous hipness'? That seems snide and unnecessary.
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So, some of the animal behaviorists here give a free pass to a dog that mauled a fake hand near a food bowl or play toy.
So, would these behaviorists be satisfied that a dog is unsuitable for adoption if it mauled a real hand from an innocent child or careless adult?
So, would these behaviorists be satisfied that a dog is unsuitable for adoption if it mauled a real hand from an innocent child or careless adult?
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What an irrelevant question. That is not the behavior being evaluated.
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As the article states, the tests were not predictive of aggressive behavior and were no better than a coin toss, according to the research. When the tests ceased being used in Phoenix, the kill rate dropped from 536 to 31, based on owner reports and staff observations. Your snarky comment does not appear to be based in an understanding of this article.
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I disbelieve that anyone wants or intends to "give a free pass" to a dog that "mauls" the fake hand during a behavior test.
The point is that the test is by nature, "artificial" in the sense that the hand is not real and often, doesn't "act" like a real person, anyway. OK... of course one can't really use a real hand... (please don't respond on that!). But try and look at this reasonably. The "fake hand" really is fake, it looks and smells fake... it isn't the "size" of an adult hand... who knows... it may even smell like another dog... and its downright creepy.
If you shoved a "horror hand" from the Halloween display (well... that's pretty much what it looks like, doesn't it?) at a person... or a child... what kind of reaction would you get?
The point is that the test is by nature, "artificial" in the sense that the hand is not real and often, doesn't "act" like a real person, anyway. OK... of course one can't really use a real hand... (please don't respond on that!). But try and look at this reasonably. The "fake hand" really is fake, it looks and smells fake... it isn't the "size" of an adult hand... who knows... it may even smell like another dog... and its downright creepy.
If you shoved a "horror hand" from the Halloween display (well... that's pretty much what it looks like, doesn't it?) at a person... or a child... what kind of reaction would you get?
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Too many unwanted humans and too many dogs on this earth. We need to start fixing many more of both species to eliminate new ones ... especially the humans.
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Having been bitten very hard and having had my hand punctured on both sides just a month ago by a neighbor's "rescued" dog when the neighbor invited me to his house for drinks and failed warn me the dog was dangerous (or as the owner likes to say, "territorial") I think too many people are asking for trouble. When the owner opened the door and invited me in, the dog came running down the stairs. I actually asked the owner whether the dog was friendly and whether I could pet him. The owner assured me he was friendly but before I could pet the dog, he bit my hand full force, drawing blood and leaving a deep puncture would. The owner has not put the dog down. He has not sent the dog for training. And he has not muzzled the dog. It is only time before this "rescued" dog kills someone.
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Don't try to pet unfamiliar dogs!
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The dog might need more control and training, and he may indeed bite someone. However to say "he will kill someone" is hyperbole -- very few pet dogs kill anyone. It's bad enough he bit you, and he is likely a biter.
To call such a dog "a killer" is like saying a badly behaved child is going to grow up to be a murderer....almost certainly untrue.
To call such a dog "a killer" is like saying a badly behaved child is going to grow up to be a murderer....almost certainly untrue.
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Long time dog owner, with one bad story. Had a beautiful, affectionate, rescue. Bought him from a foster family rescue. Was pre screened. Great at first, but became gradually more aggressive. Tried everything under the sun. and lots of $$. Bit 5 people, none seriously. Finally, a year and a half later, had to put him down at age 2.5. Heartbreaking. Learned 2 things: some dogs are mentally unstable, like humans. And, do not EVER assume an unfamiliar dog is friendly. Trust me on this.
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Everyone wants the "perfect" dog. A dog that doesn't bark, loves all kids, walks well on a leash, has no health problems and let's people do whatever they want, including grab their full food bowl away from under their nose. We were always taught if you bother the dog while the dog is eating and you get bit, that is your own fault, not an "aggressive dog." There is not a single dog in a shelter or rescue or animal control that is not there due directly to human behavior. Too bad we can't focus on that.
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@RescueMom - you 100% spot on. Dogs are like their human dominions... sentient being, the byproduct of a complex amalgamation of environments over time; Each canine in a shelter, is there as a result of human contact; its behavior a reflection of the humans it has encountered. As for the "perfect dog". they exist. One 'had me at hello'. She was a gentle majestic soul. They are a gift from the heavens.
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Exactly!
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I'm another person who has the perfect dog -- "Cracker," a Bedlington terrier, who is is gentle, sweet, smart and very considerate of my needs and feelings. She kind of "prances" as she runs. See the picture of Cracker in this Forbes.com article: https://www.forbes.com/sites/henrymiller/2011/03/23/frankenfish-fatuity/...
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According to the artist Richard Prince, Donald Trump was sued in the 1990s for kicking someone's dog - an Irish Setter. Trump settled out of court with the dog's owner.
Not much of a surprise, is it?
Make people who abuse animals legally accountable whenever possible. It's one way to stop abuse of animals.
Not much of a surprise, is it?
Make people who abuse animals legally accountable whenever possible. It's one way to stop abuse of animals.
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I don't find dogs to be a problem. Dog owners though?
I can't tell you how many times a large dog has run up to me, with the owner yelling in the distance: "Don't worry----he's friendly!"
Well, I'm not. If you want to have an animal that has any chance at all of biting (which means virtually any dog), let it bite you, I really could care less, but keep it away from me. Don't make me deal with it, even on a leash, in a grocery store, restaurant, post office, sidewalk, or anywhere.
I had to practically drown with bear spray two large Shepard mixes who came at me while I was crossing a stream. If I had been a child and had run instead of standing my ground I am convinced they would have run me down. I wish I could have covered the owner with the spray......who was running down the river bank helplessly calling his dog's names to come to him.
When it comes to dog owners, who can be the most cluelessly inconsiderate people on the planet, I don't pass the hand test.
I can't tell you how many times a large dog has run up to me, with the owner yelling in the distance: "Don't worry----he's friendly!"
Well, I'm not. If you want to have an animal that has any chance at all of biting (which means virtually any dog), let it bite you, I really could care less, but keep it away from me. Don't make me deal with it, even on a leash, in a grocery store, restaurant, post office, sidewalk, or anywhere.
I had to practically drown with bear spray two large Shepard mixes who came at me while I was crossing a stream. If I had been a child and had run instead of standing my ground I am convinced they would have run me down. I wish I could have covered the owner with the spray......who was running down the river bank helplessly calling his dog's names to come to him.
When it comes to dog owners, who can be the most cluelessly inconsiderate people on the planet, I don't pass the hand test.
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You gave a good description here. The problem is not the dog - the problem is always at the other end of the leash. A dog needs consequent training, short commands and gestures, has to be shown his limits. Love your dog, that's what pets are here for, but keep him under control. The people who call themselves "Fluffy's mommy / daddy" and spoil their dog, let him do what he wants because "he's our baby" will ruin the best dog.
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If you're going to react that strongly to a dog who has mistakenly gotten away from its owner, who's running down the street after it trying to reassure you that you're in no danger, it sounds like maybe you should stay inside. Dogs are a part of human life and people need to learn to coexist with them.
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Here in Athens, GA we have a wonderful public facility, Athens Animal Control. We have an active volunteer community, that includes lay folks, a certified trainer, a few volunteer vets, as well as a dedicated staff and a 501 C3, athenspets.net that works hand in hand with the shelter advocating for the impounds, vetting them and having them speyed and neutered. In the mosquito ridden Southeast where untreated dogs often fall victim to Heartworm disease, once considered
a death sentence the disease is treated. The afflicted doggies are given the opportunity and time to heal before being made available for adoption.
We work closely with local, regional and sometimes out of state rescue partners. The efforts of many over more than a decade have made what was once a typical high kill county facility an evolving, humane and model program. We are always tweeking our program and facility.
We are not perfect, but are on the right track. Our volunteers are now subject to training before going out into the population.
I am proud to be a volunteer, and pet parent to three wonderful rescue doggies
a death sentence the disease is treated. The afflicted doggies are given the opportunity and time to heal before being made available for adoption.
We work closely with local, regional and sometimes out of state rescue partners. The efforts of many over more than a decade have made what was once a typical high kill county facility an evolving, humane and model program. We are always tweeking our program and facility.
We are not perfect, but are on the right track. Our volunteers are now subject to training before going out into the population.
I am proud to be a volunteer, and pet parent to three wonderful rescue doggies
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Too many people are bitten by dogs. All sentient creatures die. When there is any doubt, let them meet their maker sooner rather than after they have bitten. Just be sure the killing is humane.
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Crawl back under your rock. People with such little compassion are dangerous.
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How spectacularly unenlightened Steve. Using your logic why should life exist at all, if it's all going to end anyway. Dogs get their aggression from human mistreatment, the very least we can do is give them a chance. If your not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
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Not necessarily true. I had a rescue that gradually became more aggressive. Bit 5 people. Tried everything. Had to put him down. Some dogs are mentally unstable. Nothing to do with abuse.
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Geeze - I wouldn't put my hand near my own beloved Labrador's huge jaws, when he was working over a big rawhide twist - he would growl menacingly. But otherwise, he was the nicest, gentlest, best, etc., dog you could ever want. Gentle to a fault. Except for ... and I cannot believe that was used as an extermination test - Geeze.
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We have a rescue. He was not aggressive but was so scared and nervous when we got him. Now he is the happiest, most loving creature. I realize now that when you go to a shelter what you see evidence of in most cases is faulty people... not faulty dogs.
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The reality of the situation is that there are far more dogs than prospective adopters....so shelters need to make decision about who dies and who lives, they can't keep all the dogs. This test is a very slightly better choice than randomly selecting them. "Potentially Dangerous" is a way to mitigate the heartbreaking reality, you can prove it is not reliable, but it won't make the overpopulation problem disappear.
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All of those dogs in shelters come from somewhere. They come from people who do not spay or neuter their pets, from people who do not care very deeply for their dogs or cats all with lame excuses for dumping a trusting pet.
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This test is not slightly better, it's far too unreliable, false negatives being one serious problem.
That's incorrect. There are more than enough homes for all of the dogs (and cats) in shelters. The existence of 300 no kill communities proves this. Austin, Texas saves 98% of the animals that come in to the city shelter, euthanizing only for terminal suffering
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We've all read about the replicability crisis in academic research. Although I appreciate the article's use of research, it is extremely unlikely the studies presented here are replicable (and, thus, are probably unreliable and maybe invalid). As of today, the hand test is probably still the most reliable predictor. Research confirming this was likely never submitted for publication (the file drawer effect that is all too prevelant among academic researchers).
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I've been a rescue volunteer for more than ten years and I do behavior work with shelter dogs. I assure you that the hand test is NOT a reliable predictor. We call it the "death test" because you can get almost any dog to fail the test.
Research confirming the hand test as a reliable predicter was never published because it doesn't exist.
Research confirming the hand test as a reliable predicter was never published because it doesn't exist.
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I'm a personal injury lawyer. Dogs in New York State get "one free bite." After that, and a second bite, you're going to pay my client a lot of money. Shelter dogs provide an endless supply of horrible bite cases, and you don't want to see the pictures. Maybe the dog was beaten by a man with a beard. Maybe the dog was starved. Maybe it was tied to a stake next to loud cars. You just don't know what will trigger a damaged dog to go ballistic. Be forewarned, and do NOT bring an adult shelter dog into a home with young children. Never, never, never.
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Being an expert on extorting pet owners, doesn't make you an expert on pet behavior.
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A dog can inflict severe injuries very quickly especially when a child is the victim. Medical bills add up quickly. Dog owners should be financially liable for the injuries their pets cause. They should also be criminally charged for those injuries as well as they are in the UK.
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Actually some of the most unbalanced dogs are overbred puppy mill dogs who have never seen the inside of a shelter.
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I'm sure the tests they use at shelters are flawed, but everything about that experience for the dog is flawed. Most animal shelters are stress factories, and many dogs are taken from their homes to the shelter or simply dumped somewhere. God knows what they're exposed to before that. Then they spend weeks or months in cages with dozens of other dogs barking constantly. They get limited exercise and attention. Many find homes only to be brought back because it "didn't work out."
I don't have the answer and I don't blame the shelter operators. But if I had to endure that experience I'm not at all sure I'd come out of it with my sanity. IT's a shame we can't do better.
I don't have the answer and I don't blame the shelter operators. But if I had to endure that experience I'm not at all sure I'd come out of it with my sanity. IT's a shame we can't do better.
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Too many people who get a dog have no idea how to train it and care for it, with the result that instead of being a joy and treasured family member, the dog becomes a problem and is dumped at a shelter if not downright abandoned.
34,000 dogs a year brought to the shelter in Phoenix alone? 670,000 dogs euthanized in the country each year? Those a awful numbers.
No one who can't make the time to take and pass a dog training course should get a dog. Of course too many people also have no idea how to raise a child, and yet have children. Now I am going to go hug my poodle, a rescue.
34,000 dogs a year brought to the shelter in Phoenix alone? 670,000 dogs euthanized in the country each year? Those a awful numbers.
No one who can't make the time to take and pass a dog training course should get a dog. Of course too many people also have no idea how to raise a child, and yet have children. Now I am going to go hug my poodle, a rescue.
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Hmmm...passing a dog training course as a requirement. In that case, shouldn't there be some kind of "training course" requirement for anyone aspiring to be President of the United States? They don't bite, but some of them do harm to millions of people, as well as to other countries. Just sayin'.
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good idea!!!
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I once had a dog that bit people while being playful. The dog was friendly and never got angry, but didn't realize that his playful biting habits were bad. We could not train the dog to stop biting, so it was eventually put to sleep. It was very sad.
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You killed a dog for playful biting? Wow. That is disgusting.
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What exactly do you propose doing differently, lelectra? There are more dogs than places for them. Hundreds of thousands of dogs are euthanized every year. Some have behavioral problems, some don't. Giving a problematic dog a home may seem to be a kindness, but ultimately it means that some other dog will be put down instead.
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I had a similar experience. I feel your pain.
If you want a real horror, rescue a Tennessee puppy mill dog. A lot of people buy puppies not knowing what they're in for, but periodically one of these horrible dirt-road businesses gets shut down and scores of sick, inbred dogs and puppies become available.
Ours is pathetically stupid and has several expensive chronic illnesses including kidney and skin diseases, abnormal toenails, and unusual fat deposits. She's part of the family and we accept her as she is and love her, but it's not a project for anyone with limited time, resources, or patience.
Ours is pathetically stupid and has several expensive chronic illnesses including kidney and skin diseases, abnormal toenails, and unusual fat deposits. She's part of the family and we accept her as she is and love her, but it's not a project for anyone with limited time, resources, or patience.
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I have a 60lb shelter dog that I got six years ago that was sort of protective of its food bowl but never bit me. With trust and a little Ceaser Milano style disciplining, within a week I could take the food bowl away and the dog looked at me quizzically but not angrily because it trusted me to give him the food bowl back. Now when I do that she smiles happily because it means I am taking the bowl away to put a treat in it.
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Unfortunately every owner of a pitbull claims that their animal is "the most friendly animal in the world" or some other myth; mainly because the dogs have very deeply entrenched genetic instincts (Or as Popeye said, 'insta minks'), that could hardly be changed, except for Youth in Asia… Get it right Siri euthanasia. There is too much of a unknown, as in the caseof "blue", The adopted dog that passed The food-aggression test, when the switch gets thrown, or the animal just "snaps" and the animals future behavior is just too unpredictable.
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Like reading a trainwreck full of panicky dog myths
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That is why pit bulls should only go to experienced dog owners. There are many things to consider when you own a pit that the owner of most other breeds of dogs wouldn't ever consider worrying about. I own a pit and my biggest fear when I walk him is meeting someone with a pit bull who cannot control his dog. Yes, I would say my dog is gentle, but I'm also alert to any changes in behavior and I respect the feelings of others who are fearful of pits.
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Even dog adoption is part of the cultural milieu. Dogs are funneled from "high-kill" shelters in the red states to the safe spaces of the Northeast and Northwest (the Two Portlands, for example). There they are adopted in a spirit of "righteous hipness". Then if they bite Grandma, it can be blamed on Trump.
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What is your direct experience with any of these "red state" dogs? I would bet none.
I've had three and they have been all wonderful sweet companions and did very well in obedience classes.
I've had three and they have been all wonderful sweet companions and did very well in obedience classes.
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I attended a Sue Sternberg seminar in 2003 to learn about behavior assessment in a shelter environment. Sue created the assess-a-hand and the test that hundreds of shelters followed. I was horrified to learn that there was no science behind it and my questions to Sue turned out to be an assessment test of her. She nearly bit off my head for asking what follow-up was being done to assure us that this test was weeding out dangerous dogs. The pressure to accept what we were being taught was overwhelming. No one dared question her (Stanley Milgram, anyone?). The euthanasia rate at her shelter was about 90%. Nearly ever dog failed. And what better way to keep the public safe from shelter dogs than to euthanize them all?
I went back to my volunteer position at the San Diego Humane Society to witness this test in action: testing and failing very stressed out dogs. It was absurd. But SDHS continued with the test, and might still today, out of fear of being sued by a public that they perceived demand this voodoo test. To their credit the SDHS behavior department at that time refused to continue with the test. The testing duty was turned over to the kennel cleaning staff.
In the end there are far too many shelter dogs and many will never find homes. Many will have to be euthanized. Nevertheless, the shelter industry must stand up to this feel-good-about-killing this or that dog using a test that is a setup for failure and a lie to the public.
I went back to my volunteer position at the San Diego Humane Society to witness this test in action: testing and failing very stressed out dogs. It was absurd. But SDHS continued with the test, and might still today, out of fear of being sued by a public that they perceived demand this voodoo test. To their credit the SDHS behavior department at that time refused to continue with the test. The testing duty was turned over to the kennel cleaning staff.
In the end there are far too many shelter dogs and many will never find homes. Many will have to be euthanized. Nevertheless, the shelter industry must stand up to this feel-good-about-killing this or that dog using a test that is a setup for failure and a lie to the public.
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That's why her testing methods are known as "the death test" among more enlightened shelters and rescuers.
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So how are the shelters gonna keep up with euthanizing the surplus population of dogs if the rationale for killing them off is just that there are too many? I vote for random selection among the population of canines that are not proven menaces to society or are under a particular age determined by the professionals as being too old to keep around.
Get back to me when the topic turns to humans.
Get back to me when the topic turns to humans.
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Why should we bother to get back to you since you seem to have an absence of coherent thought?
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Three years ago, I adopted my then three-year-old from a kill shelter in western North Carolina.
I'd seen her photo and description online, and when I went to pick her up, the guy brought her out, and, while I was holding her - she's a kitty and had that "Maybe if I don't move they won't see me" expression - she gently bit my hand to let me know she'd had enough petting.
Three years later, and she still lets me know, although I recognize most of the signs before she puts my hand in her mouth. I've since learned that some cats are prone to what's called "pet aggression" most typically because they have whiskers all over their little bodieshat can be quite sensitive.
I wonder about the poor dogs who merely might be having similar physiological reactions.
I'm glad for this instructive article and the canine lives it might save.
There are other minds on this planet besides our own.
I'd seen her photo and description online, and when I went to pick her up, the guy brought her out, and, while I was holding her - she's a kitty and had that "Maybe if I don't move they won't see me" expression - she gently bit my hand to let me know she'd had enough petting.
Three years later, and she still lets me know, although I recognize most of the signs before she puts my hand in her mouth. I've since learned that some cats are prone to what's called "pet aggression" most typically because they have whiskers all over their little bodieshat can be quite sensitive.
I wonder about the poor dogs who merely might be having similar physiological reactions.
I'm glad for this instructive article and the canine lives it might save.
There are other minds on this planet besides our own.
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I believe two thoughts are important to be said.
First, while I generally believe every dog is entitled to one bite (at the risk of wrath from their defenders - and I know they exist!) certain breeds have been bred and conditioned to be aggressive. It may not be the dog's fault, but when an errand pit bull packs with other pit bulls, you've got trouble.
Second, I believe that it is imperative that a dog to be adopted get matched to the right home. A malamute isn't a good apartment dog. A nervous dog or cat may need an extra-calm, patient, and nurturing owner - rather than a person who is on the go every day. I'd love to have a dog again, but I'm away from home 10 hours a day - and that's not fair to the dog!
I can only wish that people would spay or neuter their pet, and think about the dog or cat's needs - along with their responsibilities and situation - before bringing them home. My feline friend truly is the Chief Morale Officer in my home, but it comes only from seeing him as one of God's fellow creatures and a for-life companion. Too many IMHO see animals as merely property, to be disposed of when inconvenient.
First, while I generally believe every dog is entitled to one bite (at the risk of wrath from their defenders - and I know they exist!) certain breeds have been bred and conditioned to be aggressive. It may not be the dog's fault, but when an errand pit bull packs with other pit bulls, you've got trouble.
Second, I believe that it is imperative that a dog to be adopted get matched to the right home. A malamute isn't a good apartment dog. A nervous dog or cat may need an extra-calm, patient, and nurturing owner - rather than a person who is on the go every day. I'd love to have a dog again, but I'm away from home 10 hours a day - and that's not fair to the dog!
I can only wish that people would spay or neuter their pet, and think about the dog or cat's needs - along with their responsibilities and situation - before bringing them home. My feline friend truly is the Chief Morale Officer in my home, but it comes only from seeing him as one of God's fellow creatures and a for-life companion. Too many IMHO see animals as merely property, to be disposed of when inconvenient.
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With respect, the one bite rule is nonsense. The second and later victims never know there was a previous event. Who's gonna tell them: the owner, who is now liable for medical expenses?
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Some dogs bite for a reason. A good reason.
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All dogs will engage in pack behavior, it had morning to do with breed.
Pit bulls have been bred to be nonaggressive toward humans and score beget on temperate testing than most breeds.
If toy want to minimize your chances of being bitten, stay away from cocker spaniels, chihuahuas and doxies. Those are the breeds most likely to bite.
Pit bulls have been bred to be nonaggressive toward humans and score beget on temperate testing than most breeds.
If toy want to minimize your chances of being bitten, stay away from cocker spaniels, chihuahuas and doxies. Those are the breeds most likely to bite.
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Why not provide relevant information to prospective adopters and let them make the call? Do the putative experts always know what's best for everyone and everything else?
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My dog Copper was food aggressive. He was also a lovable doofus who lived with us for 15 years. We always chalked it up to him having to fight for food in whatever hellhole he came to us from. So what if we had to separate him from our other dogs to eat?
Dog behavior will always be a risk. Any adopter must be careful until they get to know their new dog. If the tests don't reliably indicate actual behavior, they are useless and cruel and should not be used.
Dog behavior will always be a risk. Any adopter must be careful until they get to know their new dog. If the tests don't reliably indicate actual behavior, they are useless and cruel and should not be used.
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Know your doggie and his or her limitations. It is always wise to give a dig his own place in which to eat in peace at their own pace.
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The conversation should be shifted from shelters to the owners.
We have a German Shepherd. A wonderful member of our family, but behaves like a child that it needs its share of attention, socialization and exercise. In turn, he gives us a lot of joy.
It is a commitment. We have busy lives, both spouses working, kids and all that. But, we spend at least four hours a day working with our dog.
I had several colleagues that got puppies and offloaded them at the shelter when they decided they cannot give their pets the time and commitment. The shelter was trying to make decision, based on their financials.
I do believe that anyone who is getting a puppy, should buy a shelter insurance. This should be a requirement, in case they decide not to continue with their pet. There should also be a mandatory 16 hr training, before anyone gets a puppy. A pet is a living creature, with emotions. It cannot be a victim to the whims of selfish individuals or owners.
We have a German Shepherd. A wonderful member of our family, but behaves like a child that it needs its share of attention, socialization and exercise. In turn, he gives us a lot of joy.
It is a commitment. We have busy lives, both spouses working, kids and all that. But, we spend at least four hours a day working with our dog.
I had several colleagues that got puppies and offloaded them at the shelter when they decided they cannot give their pets the time and commitment. The shelter was trying to make decision, based on their financials.
I do believe that anyone who is getting a puppy, should buy a shelter insurance. This should be a requirement, in case they decide not to continue with their pet. There should also be a mandatory 16 hr training, before anyone gets a puppy. A pet is a living creature, with emotions. It cannot be a victim to the whims of selfish individuals or owners.
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People having babies aren't even required to have a mandatory 16-hour training before taking those babies home from the hospital.
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While your ideas may sound good on the surface, they are such a high bar that no one will meet them resulting in both most shelter animals being euthanized for lack of adopters and an explosive growth in underground puppy mills.
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Wait - 4 hours a day???
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We need public service messages about spaying and neutering at the same level we have for smoking cessation.
No creature should have to endure such tests.
Thanks, Mom and Dad, for making sure our beloved pets were "fixed," and for paying for the spaying and neutering of our neighbors' pets, right after those neighbors both unexpectedly lost their jobs within a week after adopting several rescues.
No creature should have to endure such tests.
Thanks, Mom and Dad, for making sure our beloved pets were "fixed," and for paying for the spaying and neutering of our neighbors' pets, right after those neighbors both unexpectedly lost their jobs within a week after adopting several rescues.
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Damn...I would likely fail the test. Especially after being abandoned, or picked up as a stray, then spending time in a cell with all that noise, stank, and fear wafting thru the air. Stick that fake hand near me, and I'll snatch it and beat you with it...!
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If you bit a waiters hand when he is clearing your plates in a restaurant, you too would be arrested.
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Ok and that waiter would not take your food away as you were about to eat.
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And you'd land in jail, just as all the other humans whose traumatic experiences in foster care, jail or war trigger agressive behaviour.
I understand why shelters have to euthanise animals but the behaviour tests are very very flawed. I adopted a cat from NYCACC last year, and his behavioural assessment of "tense, nervous, hisses when approached" landed him on the kill list. I pulled him out of the shelter the night before he was due to be euthanised. Clearly the nervousness was due to his confusion at suddenly being in the shelter with other frightened and sometimes sick cats. One year on - you could not ask for a sweeter kitty (though he is still a bit shy!).
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We had a dog from the humane society. He was so sweet. Never showed any signs of aggression except once. I tried to pick a few pieces of kibble from his bowl. He didn't bite me but it was the only time he ever snapped at anyone. I have a kind and generous sister but if you tried to take a french fry from her plate she might stab you with a fork. I don't think this test is fair.
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This is a truly wonderful comment, Tennessee. LOL.
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i certainly can imagine the stress involved for a dog in a shelter and can easily see it resulting in behavior that might not occur in a home, particularly under questionable testing methodologies. that said, i would be curious to know the percentage of aggressive breeds (thinking especially of pit bulls) represented in shelters. i have found it disheartening to see the number of these dogs with owners who clearly have no sense of what these animals are capable of. when i went to my local shelter the only dogs available were pit bulls, a lot of them. a quick search of shelters anywhere in the country shows they are over abundant. people get them because they are aggressive. if people wanted a friendly, sweet and yes cute (dare i say a pit bulls are not?) dog there are hundreds of breeds and mixes. and to all the folks that i'm sure will respond that its all in how you raise them (why go through the trouble when nice breeds are readily available?) i say: i have seen setters that are pointing at eight weeks, i've seen herding dogs herd as pups, you can't take it out of them, they're bred for the purpose... pit bulls are bred to kill, a dog like that that goes its life without an incident is an accident of luck. a discussion such as is brought up by this article ought to address what looks like an strange desire for a lot of people to own aggressive dogs, and subsequently abandon them.
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You're spreading misinformation about Pitbulls. Unfortunately many people have chosen to breed and own them for fighting and have encouraged aggressive behavior in them, but Pits were traditionally bred for hunting and livestock driving. They are known for their strength and athleticism, but also their gentleness. In fact, for a long time Pits were deemed "nanny dogs" for their gentle nature with children.
Perhaps the negative reputation this breed has today, and people like you who perpetuate it, has something to do with their "over abundance" in shelters.
Perhaps the negative reputation this breed has today, and people like you who perpetuate it, has something to do with their "over abundance" in shelters.
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U continue a horrible stereotype about pit bulls who are among the most gentle loving children protecting animals on the face of the Earth when there's an exception to that you can be sure there's a human being involved.
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Pit bulls were not "bred to kill," and especially not toward humans. That doesn't mean that there aren't aggressive pit bulls But pit bulls, like every other breed, are a combination of genetics, socialization, and environment (how they are raised). There are gentle, sweet pit bulls, and there are aggressive pit bulls--just like any other dog. I think a big problem is that there are many "backyard breeders" of pit bulls, meaning certain negative traits aren't bred out. And then these puppies aren't socialized during the critical stage. This can make for a fearful pit bull that can show aggression later on. And just because a dog is abused doesn't mean it will become aggressive. There are plenty of dogs that are abused, but because of their natural temperament, never show aggression.
It does pit bulls, and all dogs, a great disservice my saying aggression is because of "the breed" or abuse. Dogs, just like people, are a combination of many things. And even if all things are done correctly, it's still a crapshoot.
That being said, I love pit bulls and have one myself--and in fact I adopted a pit bull because every since one I have met have been kind and gentle. However, I also know there are aggressive pit bulls too--just as there are aggressive well-bred Golden Retrievers and poodles, both of which I have seen firsthand.
Please do not stereotype any breed of dog.
It does pit bulls, and all dogs, a great disservice my saying aggression is because of "the breed" or abuse. Dogs, just like people, are a combination of many things. And even if all things are done correctly, it's still a crapshoot.
That being said, I love pit bulls and have one myself--and in fact I adopted a pit bull because every since one I have met have been kind and gentle. However, I also know there are aggressive pit bulls too--just as there are aggressive well-bred Golden Retrievers and poodles, both of which I have seen firsthand.
Please do not stereotype any breed of dog.
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Here is a guide for vet bills: If the cost of the vet's estimate exceeds the cost of a new puppy or kitten of the same breed.....trade it in! Spending thousands on vet bills is a testament to the irrational relationships Americans have with their pets. They are loyal to whoever feeds them but we convince ourselves they are family. i do realize this is a minority opinion, yet not necessarily wrong because I am out voted.
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Really? "Trade it in"? Heartless.
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"And you can do the same thing with kids! Your kid get sick a lot? Just adopt a new one!"
Some people are truly amazing in their callousness. Yes, it is irrational, but then so is caring about other humans, but then again most of the best things in life are irrational.
Some people are truly amazing in their callousness. Yes, it is irrational, but then so is caring about other humans, but then again most of the best things in life are irrational.
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It is a mistake to ever trust a kill shelter for stats on how many dogs they euthanize. As for these tests they seem to be arbitrary and capricious.
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By all means, if you can find better tests, find them. Data is good and if data isn't good, it isn't data. That said, if I saw any aggressive behavior in a dog in a shelter, I wouldn't adopt it. Yes, I realize that it might not always be a good indicator but I'm would prefer to wait for the dog I feel completely comfortable with as I'm not prone to "Oh, she is so adorable" as a deciding factor.
Also, a common sense owner *should* be able to take food away, be it a child or an adult. A human is always in control. Always. That said, I wouldn't take the food of an unfamiliar dog but if my dog got aggressive with me, it would be trained out of them or it wouldn't be my dog for long. Both of our dogs had their food taken away and sat patiently and waited for it to be returned.
That might mean I'm not a suitable owner for all dogs but so be it.
Also, a common sense owner *should* be able to take food away, be it a child or an adult. A human is always in control. Always. That said, I wouldn't take the food of an unfamiliar dog but if my dog got aggressive with me, it would be trained out of them or it wouldn't be my dog for long. Both of our dogs had their food taken away and sat patiently and waited for it to be returned.
That might mean I'm not a suitable owner for all dogs but so be it.
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I adopted a shelter dog a year ago and had him for 6 months. He came with some handling issues and air biting. We took him home and turns out, he had severe separation anxiety. His aggression became worse over time and as he felt more safe in the environment, his true colors came out. We called the SPCA within a month and said it wasn't working. She informed us that if we took him back, he would be euthanized.... That wasn't the answer that we wanted to hear, so we tried even harder with trainers and behavioralist - all the while paying $600+ per month just for the dog nanny (yah. that's a thing). I respect people that adopt from a shelter, but I will never again. This article is right - there are no good tests or measures. It can go both ways and requires patience that a lot of people do not have.
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I would question what the "nanny" did to your dog. And don't give up on shelters. Among my family and friends we've had too many to count and not one bad dog. Some of them had endured really bad abuse. Try again.
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so instead you will support breeders and add more dogs to this country? Instead of trying one more time? I grew up with rescues. I know many wonderful rescues and several neurotic pure breds. It breaks my heart that you would give up on this after one experience.
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Euthanization of unwanted animals is a fact of life, sadly. Not all animals can make good pets, and we can't have loose dogs running around. I don't see any way around this problem.
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It is not a fact of life. In the New England states, shelter dogs are "imported" from backwards segments of our country, spay/neuter is routine, and purchases from pet stores (indirect, from breeders) are infrequent.
Killing dogs is a fact of life in places in the US populated by ignoramuses.
Killing dogs is a fact of life in places in the US populated by ignoramuses.
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Let's be honest, aka red states, Trump country. Their treatment of dogs is atrocious and irresponsible.
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How I wish we were evolved enough to know that animals are not disposable.
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As a lifelong and extreme Dog lover, I'm not getting drawn into this argument. I will lose my "stuff". But please, hear this. Do not " breed" your dogs. Do not allow your dog to become pregnant, so that your kids can see " the miracle of birth". Better to go down to the shelter and see the sadness of death. Please, unless you are a professional dog handler and/or " Show" Dogs, NEVER, EVER buy a Dog. PEROID. Puppy Mills are canine torture facilities. They are everywhere. And no matter what the nice man at the " pet store" tells you, there is a extremely high probability that pretty puppy came from a doggie house of horrors. Just say no, and tell them your very large, very mean cousin Phyliss will stop in.
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If you know the type of dog that works for your situation there is nothing wrong with finding a reputable breeder and getting a puppy. by all means avoid pet stores and puppy mills - which is most of the breeders you find on the internet. A good breeder will screen buyers to ensure a good home for the puppy.
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Never buy a dog? Have you checked out how much shelters charge to adopt a dog. I know the shelters need money. But it can be 100s of dollars.
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Jo: FYI, a shelter's cost averages out to $300--$350 per animal. The adoption fee rarely covers the shelter's cost to care for an animal.
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Apart from the scientific difficulty in making predictions, there is an inherent conflict when the same groups devising tests and doing the testing are heavily involved with "saving" animals. It's like letting the ACLU run the prosecutor's office. There is a public safety issue that needs unbiased analysis.
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Actually, the ACLU would do a better job than the prosecutors do.
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So where's the story on the equally blunt instruments that administrators apply to teachers so that. after a few hrs' observation over a school yr, the teacher's long career can be ended, also with barely a whimper?
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We have a rescue dog that was scheduled to be euthanized due to fear of people. The animal control officer was desperately looking for a home as she felt this dog would eventually make a good pet. We've had him for four years now, and he is a wonderful pet. He would have failed tests in most shelters. Lucky for him the shelter had an ACO who used her instincts.
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Our girl was also scheduled to be euthanized bc she was cowering from visitors. We took her bc nobody else did and had her for about 10 years without incident. She has been my favorite dog to date.
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If you take questionable dogs and put them in a foster home for awhile you'd get much more reliable results. Most fosters have dealt with violent dogs and are skilled at limiting the damage.
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My charming miniature doodle was on the chopping block after a flight from a high kill California shelter to a Pacific Northwest shelter. After he got of the plane, he failed the test of having his front paw painfully squeezed because this caused him to growl and snap. I fast talked him out of the hoosegow and after several years in his presence find him a perfect calm companion.
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I understand the need to attempt to determine behavior but as stated, the conditions in animal shelters do not allow animals to be their best selves. When I went looking for a companion for our older lab after we had to put the other older one down, I thought I found a great match at our local Humane Society. However, they insisted on a 'meet and greet" between them. It didn't go well. My dog was scared as this is the same place she'd been "fixed" as a puppy years ago. It's noisy, chaotic, etc. The other dog behaved badly probably due to lack of exercise, interaction. I tried twice. He was an 8 year old Great Dane/Mastiff mix named Geronimo. Hard to place I would think and I believed they would have worked it out once home together. I hope somebody got him. He's no longer on the website, I hope he wasn't euthanized...
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The problem is, it's not their "best selves" that matter. It's how bad their "worst selves" are. It doesn't matter if the dog that killed the 90-year-old lady was sweet as pie most of the time. One bite is all it takes...
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Don't get rid of this test. My mom had a dog from a shelter for which she eventually had to throw food out a window too. Age did not improve a borderline aggressive personality in a water spaniel.
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It sounds like your mom should have sought the services of a goid trainer.
This probably means the dog can tell the difference between a fake and a real hand, a doll and a toddler. They are killing them for being smarter than other dogs.
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Bingo!!!!! You win the Internet, today.
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Or it means the dog won't submit to a human. And a dog that won't gracefully and immediately submit (even food) to every human in a household is dangerous.
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Yep. Whoever came up with this test clearly knew nothing about dogs
My dog turned out to be a little more dog-aggressive than they realized at the shelter. I learned the hard way when she bit an unleashed dog who approached her on the street. So now I walk her with a muzzle.
The biggest problem I face in my affluent, left-leaning neighborhood are Jill Stein type neighbors who object politically to walking their dogs on a leash.
These people can get downright hostile when they see my dog with its muzzle and leash. But they don't realize that it's the number of unleashed dogs in the neighborhood that makes the muzzle on my dog absolutely necessary.
And so it goes with animal rights. This conflict has to be worked out in the movement. Leashes don't enslave dogs. They protect them from other dogs. Dogs that are wonderful with people but not so wonderful with other dogs.
The biggest problem I face in my affluent, left-leaning neighborhood are Jill Stein type neighbors who object politically to walking their dogs on a leash.
These people can get downright hostile when they see my dog with its muzzle and leash. But they don't realize that it's the number of unleashed dogs in the neighborhood that makes the muzzle on my dog absolutely necessary.
And so it goes with animal rights. This conflict has to be worked out in the movement. Leashes don't enslave dogs. They protect them from other dogs. Dogs that are wonderful with people but not so wonderful with other dogs.
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Ugh. I already hate your neighbors. And not just for voting for Jill Stein.
Off-leash dogs should only be off-leash if they are well-trained. I've known two in my life. Stayed by their owners, listened to commands. If I knew any hunters I'd probably know more.
Nothing enraged me more than when unleashed dogs came up to me and my old leashed dogs. I had them on a leash for a reason, people. They don't like your dog running up to them. I guess to them I should have just put my dogs down. Idiots.
Off-leash dogs should only be off-leash if they are well-trained. I've known two in my life. Stayed by their owners, listened to commands. If I knew any hunters I'd probably know more.
Nothing enraged me more than when unleashed dogs came up to me and my old leashed dogs. I had them on a leash for a reason, people. They don't like your dog running up to them. I guess to them I should have just put my dogs down. Idiots.
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They object to dogs on leashes? They're nuts.
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Remember the video of the cat that went after the dog who attacked and bit the little boy playing outside? The dog was euthanized. I'm a firm believer that dog owners are the prime reason why some dogs are out of control. That dog did not have to be euthanized had he been properly trained. I've seen dog owners that don't even know how to walk their dogs properly. I believe there are no bad dogs....just bad owners.
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Re " no bad dogs . . . Just bad owners":
Mostly I agree with you, but we must leave room for DNA.
And truth to tell, even human beings, even ones with nice parents and pleasant, functioning siblings, can simply be plain vicious by nature. It isn't all nurture. Nature plays a role.
So it is with dogs.
But it astonishing how bad some people are at training their dogs.
(And their kids.)
Mostly I agree with you, but we must leave room for DNA.
And truth to tell, even human beings, even ones with nice parents and pleasant, functioning siblings, can simply be plain vicious by nature. It isn't all nurture. Nature plays a role.
So it is with dogs.
But it astonishing how bad some people are at training their dogs.
(And their kids.)
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Good owners are just better at managing their problem dogs. A negligent owner with a problem dog is a recipe for disaster.
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It does not matter how a dog became bad, now thatyou have a bad dog that needs to be euthanized.
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It is about time that there are reforms in these KILL shelters!!!! These shelters are traumatic for all animals and to put food in front of a neglected hungry dog and wonder why he will bit the plastic hand that tries to remove the bowl- WAKE UP SHELTER DOCTORS AND WORKERS- these stupid tests are so out dated and not accurate!!! Use your brains and try some compassion and intelligence before scheduling an execution for the dog!!! All dogs are not put into shelters because they are dangerous- the owners do not know how to handle the dog- all dogs have different personalities and needs!!!
STOP DESTROYING DOGS AND CATS!!!
STOP DESTROYING DOGS AND CATS!!!
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Have you actually met the people who staff these shelters? They love dogs and cats. They sacrifice their time and even their careers so that they can help these abandoned and abused creatures. If anything, these people are too devoted to their charges, sometimes to the point that they lose perspective. No one volunteers or works at an animal shelter out of any motive but love and compassion for animals.
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In response to a comment on "kill shelters": I really resent the words "kill shelters". No one wants to euthanize animals. But the sad truth is that there are more animals than available homes. Shelters are high stress environments, warehousing dogs for many months/years in shelters just to make humans feel good about being "no kill" is inhumane at best. One of our local "no kill" shelters has done exactly that - I can identify 3 or 4 dogs that have been there well over 2 years already. That's unspeakably cruel to a dog. In addition, denigrating shelter workers at open admission shelters where sadly animals are euthanized if not enough space is available is cowardly on your part - because I bet you are not there day after day and being the one to try and work towards a better outcome for the animals. Last, there is an answer to stopping the problem, it's doing everything possible and fundraising to spay and neuter every pet possible. The only real solution.
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Oops! I think you meant to say "thank you shelter workers and shelter vets. Thank you for dedicating your lives to helping those left behind by the community. Thank you for taking a job in an industry that gets very limited respect and even more limited resources. Thank you for working 15 hours a day to care for hundreds of animals at a time, growing close to each one during the course of their stay and feeling the despair when one of those animals becomes too sick or aggressive to be placed. Thank you for remaining strong when hatred and criticism could easily cause you to give up."
I think this is what you meant to say Rosalie.
Please be kind to those that have chosen to work in animal shelters. We are up against tremendous obstacles that are made that much worse by vile outbursts and name calling.
I think this is what you meant to say Rosalie.
Please be kind to those that have chosen to work in animal shelters. We are up against tremendous obstacles that are made that much worse by vile outbursts and name calling.
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"Common sense owners wouldn't grab a dog's food away while it is eating."
Indeed. But I got all my dogs as small puppies & the first thing I trained them about was I could take their food away &, if necessary, make them drop food from their mouths. You can, with effort, train a dog to tolerate that. One key thing was if I took their food away, they knew it would shortly be returned.
People treat animals so badly.
When I got my current cat at 4 months old, he was a spitting, clawing angry little mess. He scratched & bit me repeatedly when I tried to pick him up. No one in their right mind would have adopted him. It took me months to make friends w/ him & teach him to trust me a little bit. My guess was the previous owner had deprived him of human contact or even abused him.
Earning his trust was a lot of work.
Today he's 13 & is the sweetest, gentlest, most loving animal I've ever lived with. After his miserable kitten-hood, I've never again seen him upset, frustrated, frightened, hostile. He seems very pleased with his life.
Animals that live w/ people are usually a reflection of the home they're in. If you're stressed, your animal will be stressed. If people have time & patience to work w/ an animal & gain their trust, let them learn to feel safe & how to interact, far fewer dogs would wind up in shelters.
I know shelter staff don't have the luxury of time to do this. I salute them for all they do keeping these animals alive w/ a chance for a decent home.
Indeed. But I got all my dogs as small puppies & the first thing I trained them about was I could take their food away &, if necessary, make them drop food from their mouths. You can, with effort, train a dog to tolerate that. One key thing was if I took their food away, they knew it would shortly be returned.
People treat animals so badly.
When I got my current cat at 4 months old, he was a spitting, clawing angry little mess. He scratched & bit me repeatedly when I tried to pick him up. No one in their right mind would have adopted him. It took me months to make friends w/ him & teach him to trust me a little bit. My guess was the previous owner had deprived him of human contact or even abused him.
Earning his trust was a lot of work.
Today he's 13 & is the sweetest, gentlest, most loving animal I've ever lived with. After his miserable kitten-hood, I've never again seen him upset, frustrated, frightened, hostile. He seems very pleased with his life.
Animals that live w/ people are usually a reflection of the home they're in. If you're stressed, your animal will be stressed. If people have time & patience to work w/ an animal & gain their trust, let them learn to feel safe & how to interact, far fewer dogs would wind up in shelters.
I know shelter staff don't have the luxury of time to do this. I salute them for all they do keeping these animals alive w/ a chance for a decent home.
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I have the same story with one of my cats, only we adopted her when she was already an adult. She ended up in a shelter after being found outside, alone. She was declawed by the shelter, and had suffered through a painful infection as a result (she seemed to have had paw pain for years afterward). On adoption day, she was in her cage with her back toward the open door, showing no interest at all in anything or anyone. When pulled out, she sat on the floor and growled at all of us. I wanted to adopt someone who would not be taken by anyone else, so she came home with me. For months, she drew my blood many times after I tried to initiate physical contact. Once, she latched with her jaw onto my husband's arm and left a scar - they had been living alone for a few days back then and he spent most of his time at work, and the cat was apparently very frustrated. But we were committed to her and that was that. We provided a good and healthy environment, full of both stimulation and calm warmth. We got another cat, one with good social skills, to keep her company. We stayed with her through thick and thin, travelled the continents, moved around the world, and the cat was always safe and protected by us. And she thrived. I like how you put it: the cat seems to be enjoying her life very much. The shelter had written in her file that the cat was "kind of mean", but we would not trade her for anything. And the initial hard times are part of the journey, part of what binds us together.
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A dangerous decision. Rescue organizations are so frantic to get rid of their unwanted pit bulls that they will push them on anyone, including families with small children and seniors. Then anybody who refuses gets the political guilt trip about being a racist, etcetera ad infinitum. It's time to point out bluntly what should be self obvious, that dogs are not human beings. People come first. The proper thing to do for unwanted fighting dogs is to kill them humanely, and intensify efforts to stop their breeding. And yes, most families who want a pet are much better off with a purebred puppy from a breeder. That's not Nazism, it's commonsense experience.
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Cloudy, I wouldn't call that common sense at all. And if we're talking personal experience, mine is the opposite: as the mother of 5 and grandmother of 7, I've adopted many dogs from shelters over the years, as well as one purebred, award-winning dog from a breeder. That gorgeous dog was the only one who ever bit! My shelter dogs, many of whom were terrified, malnourished and poorly socialized, all turned out to be wonderful companions. All it took was time, patience and a little skill. Those who believe buying purebred puppies will avoid all problems are sadly mistaken, and seriously ignorant.
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A little defensive about buying an expensive, neurotic, inbred pure breed dog from a breeder, are we?
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It's common idiocy. Pure bred dogs bite as often as rescues. Did you selectively forget the Great Danes that mauled a woman many years ago? Spend 10 minutes on Google and you'll find that every breed will attack. They reflect their owners and their environmental stimuli.
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Do the critics have a better, equally inexpensive test to quickly sort dogs in shelters that have limited space and resources?
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Yes, we have much better ways of evaluating shelter dogs.
As a volunteer photographer/writer at NYC Animal Care Centers I handled over 3,000 dogs -- mostly bully dogs -- over five years. I was bitten only twice, by a Pomeranian and a Rottweiler. The Pomeranian did the most damage. My wife and I adopted three pit bulls, each a wonderful gentle dog. Our current pit, Cookie, was used as a "play" or test dog for new arrivals. The staff loved her. She adapted well in a shelter; other animals are too traumatized. While with us she's been certified twice as a therapy dog and as an AKC Canine Good Citizen with advanced obedience training. I wished we could get her observations about her stay in a shelter.
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All you need to do is ask. Simply email [email protected] with your adoption details and you can easily get behavior notes sent to you.
What a sad story! 670,000 dogs euthanized each year in the US? That's just incredible.
Where are all these dogs coming from? It can't just be "unwanted litters". Is it puppy mills?
The rescues are doing the best they can, but it seems to me we need to look for the root causes, and reduce the number of dogs that are born without a realistic shot at a loving family.
I feel for these animals. It's usually people who are at fault when dogs are aggressive, insecure, unsocialized, untrained, etc. There's no other species capable of such devotion in my experience (people included).
Where are all these dogs coming from? It can't just be "unwanted litters". Is it puppy mills?
The rescues are doing the best they can, but it seems to me we need to look for the root causes, and reduce the number of dogs that are born without a realistic shot at a loving family.
I feel for these animals. It's usually people who are at fault when dogs are aggressive, insecure, unsocialized, untrained, etc. There's no other species capable of such devotion in my experience (people included).
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A very high percentage of the dogs euthanized come into the shelter system due to behavior problems. It is no mere coincidence that they are overwhelmingly male adolescents (around 18 months) owned by people who either didn't know how or care to raise them right. Well trained, well socialized, well behaved dogs stick where they land as puppies.
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A pretty reliable way to determine a shelter dog's personality is adopt it from the professional rescue that pulled it from the shelter. The dog will have living for awhile in a home like setting so it's personality will be better known. Almost all of its veterinary needs will have been met by the rescue.
New York City's animal control has one of the highest kill rates in the United States. They euthanize many dogs and cats DAILY - seven days a week!!
Owner surrenders are the first to die - before dogs or cats whose owners might be looking for them. This is standard practice in almost all shelters.
New York City's animal control has one of the highest kill rates in the United States. They euthanize many dogs and cats DAILY - seven days a week!!
Owner surrenders are the first to die - before dogs or cats whose owners might be looking for them. This is standard practice in almost all shelters.
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Actually, you are incorrect. NYC's shelter's place 94% of the animals in their care, which gives them one of the lowest euthanasia rates in the country. But lets look at what's going on in Wisconsin.
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It's the spreading of false information like what you have just stated "Kaari" that will decrease a shelter animals chance at finding a home. Why would you want to scare people away from the very shelter that is housing the communities unwanted pets? Hyperbole and alternative facts have no place in animal welfare. Please look at the ACC data at nycacc.org/statistics.htm It's time to update the narrative to the ACC of today-not 5 years ago.
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Three years ago I adopted a dachshund from Animal Control. She was about one year old, caged and quite terrified. Not surprisingly, she failed her behavior test. I was allowed to adopt her only after being observed by a behavior specialist and because I was an experienced dog owner. She is by far, the best and smartest dog I've ever had! Not without minor problems, common to many dachshunds, but I would not trade her for anything.
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Good example of how long-standing assumptions don't always hold up to scientific testing.
I've seen first-hand that rescue dogs, believed to be aggressive, can blossom with loving care and training. The sooner they come out of the shelter into a good home placement, the better their chances.
Special blessings to everyone who takes these challenges on and adopts a rescue animal. In most cases, the new owners' patience and love are well rewarded.
I've seen first-hand that rescue dogs, believed to be aggressive, can blossom with loving care and training. The sooner they come out of the shelter into a good home placement, the better their chances.
Special blessings to everyone who takes these challenges on and adopts a rescue animal. In most cases, the new owners' patience and love are well rewarded.
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Shelters should definitely revisit how to evaluate dogs.
Canine sense of smell is exquisite; naturally, dogs become very anxious when they can smell the unique odor produced by other dogs when they are sweating, salivating, peeing, or defecating in fearful response to the sights and sounds of the shelter.
It's possible that dogs also smell the physiological changes that accompany death and realize that something horrible is happening. Imagine how defensive any of us would be if we suspected that we had been delivered to a functioning Auschwitz...
Here's to the hope that humans will become a lot more responsible, and that the incarceration and euthanasia of our pets will become a thing of the past.
Canine sense of smell is exquisite; naturally, dogs become very anxious when they can smell the unique odor produced by other dogs when they are sweating, salivating, peeing, or defecating in fearful response to the sights and sounds of the shelter.
It's possible that dogs also smell the physiological changes that accompany death and realize that something horrible is happening. Imagine how defensive any of us would be if we suspected that we had been delivered to a functioning Auschwitz...
Here's to the hope that humans will become a lot more responsible, and that the incarceration and euthanasia of our pets will become a thing of the past.
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Thank you for your comment. I hope many read it and understand its importance to shelter dogs.
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Animals are complex creatures, it is hard to predict a dog's behavior with only a few simple tests performed in a short window of time.
Since the tests have not been validated it is not surprising that false positive and false negative results happen all the time. Also the fact that animal shelters are unnatural environments full of stress to the dogs being tested does not help matters at all.
After reading the accompanying article about the sad fate of Elsey it was good to find out that Bacon was able to find a good home.
Props to Jan Hoffman for her excellent articles covering a very difficult subject in such a humane and interesting manner.
Since the tests have not been validated it is not surprising that false positive and false negative results happen all the time. Also the fact that animal shelters are unnatural environments full of stress to the dogs being tested does not help matters at all.
After reading the accompanying article about the sad fate of Elsey it was good to find out that Bacon was able to find a good home.
Props to Jan Hoffman for her excellent articles covering a very difficult subject in such a humane and interesting manner.
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"Common-sense owners wouldn’t grab a dog’s food while it is eating."
They probably wouldn't, but there are quite a few other, normal circumstances when you might have your hands near a dogs bowl at meal time. You could be filling the water bowl or adding more food. You could be picking up a spill. In addition, "resource guarding" doesn't only occur with food; it often occurs with toys. Many "common sense" people might try to take a dog's toy in an effort to play with and engage a new dog.
They probably wouldn't, but there are quite a few other, normal circumstances when you might have your hands near a dogs bowl at meal time. You could be filling the water bowl or adding more food. You could be picking up a spill. In addition, "resource guarding" doesn't only occur with food; it often occurs with toys. Many "common sense" people might try to take a dog's toy in an effort to play with and engage a new dog.
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But you can train a dog to stop resource guarding. I'm doing it right now with my foster dog. I'very been working on the issue for three days and he's made significant progress.
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This is largely a matter of common sense, although when it comes to animals, common sense often goes out the window.
If a dog bites someone who is not breaking into a home or threatening its master, it should be euthanized. Period. Don't pass go, don't collect $200. That a dog that was surrendered after biting a child, and wasn't euthanized, and then was put up for adoption and ended up killing someone, is mind blowing. What on earth are people thinking?
I love dogs, but I also would not hesitate to euthanize an animal that bit for no good reason. I have seen way too many people who think of dogs as people and will not euthanize no matter what--I nearly lost my nose a few years ago from a pit bull that snapped when I was petting it. The owner explained that it was actually my fault--Bella, explained, doesn't like it when people get their faces close to hers. Oh, thanks for the warning. Turns out the dog had bitten people three times. I have also heard, way too many times, the rationale that it's not the dog's fault when it bites someone, it wasn't raised properly, as if that makes a difference.
It is better to be safe than sorry, and we should err on the safe side when it comes to euthanizing dogs. I say this as a longtime dog owner and dog lover. Dogs that bite absent a clear reason are dangerous and need to be put down. Why do so many people fail to grasp this?
If a dog bites someone who is not breaking into a home or threatening its master, it should be euthanized. Period. Don't pass go, don't collect $200. That a dog that was surrendered after biting a child, and wasn't euthanized, and then was put up for adoption and ended up killing someone, is mind blowing. What on earth are people thinking?
I love dogs, but I also would not hesitate to euthanize an animal that bit for no good reason. I have seen way too many people who think of dogs as people and will not euthanize no matter what--I nearly lost my nose a few years ago from a pit bull that snapped when I was petting it. The owner explained that it was actually my fault--Bella, explained, doesn't like it when people get their faces close to hers. Oh, thanks for the warning. Turns out the dog had bitten people three times. I have also heard, way too many times, the rationale that it's not the dog's fault when it bites someone, it wasn't raised properly, as if that makes a difference.
It is better to be safe than sorry, and we should err on the safe side when it comes to euthanizing dogs. I say this as a longtime dog owner and dog lover. Dogs that bite absent a clear reason are dangerous and need to be put down. Why do so many people fail to grasp this?
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Very well said. I like dogs too. But we need to put the welfare of people before the welfare of dogs. In the case of the canine that was released from a shelter and then killed a 90 year old woman those priorities clearly were not in place. Hopefully the shelter is reevaluating its protocols.
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You really don't sound like a "dog lover" at all.
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Dogs rarely bite for no good reason. Plenty of dogs will nip an older puppy who harrasses them and ignores other warnings. Some of those dogs will do exactly the same thing to a child who is poking them repeatedly in the face, but a child is far more delicate than a puppy. A firm nip that might be just enough to get the message across to a crazy puppy can bruise or even draw blood on a young child. Does the dog need to be put down? No. It needs to be in a home that won't expose it to children poking it in the face.
According to your logic, my dog should be dead. He was returned to the rescue for "biting" a child. The child was harrassing him and the "bite" did not leave any mark nor did it cause physical pain, but he was considered child aggressive. Six years later, he is great with kids and has worked as both a service dog and a therapy dog (at different times in his life). A dog shouldn't be killed for biting if the bite was caused by the poor judgement of the owner. Not because that would be unfair, but because placing the dog with a competent owner will eliminate the problem.
According to your logic, my dog should be dead. He was returned to the rescue for "biting" a child. The child was harrassing him and the "bite" did not leave any mark nor did it cause physical pain, but he was considered child aggressive. Six years later, he is great with kids and has worked as both a service dog and a therapy dog (at different times in his life). A dog shouldn't be killed for biting if the bite was caused by the poor judgement of the owner. Not because that would be unfair, but because placing the dog with a competent owner will eliminate the problem.
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