The series gets more baffling as it goes along but still enjoying it all... the scene on the staircase with Gordo's eyeball dance with Dianne to cop a drag of her cigarette was hilarious. Just wondering when Sherilyn Fenn is going to make an appearance?!?
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I keep feeling that the pacing that is bugging so many people is part of Lynch's meditation interests. It's like these periods of time that are still but small and not insignificant things happen and you're just supposed to take them in and not do anything about them.
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Well, Cooper has a foot fetish, cause his wife was dangling her shoe for him right before red shoes walked by. Make sense? No, and neither does the show...
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Lynch said that he was delighted to be able to make an "18-hour feature film." After this episode, I am more and more convinced that there is a 12-hour feature film struggling to get out.
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Although this season has always been visually powerful, some of the comments here suggest an issue with the dialogue -- especially the pacing and delivery. Why do almost all of the dialogue scenes look and sound like blocking rehearsals? Why the maddening silences of the scenes with the blank-eyed Dougie, which are a trial to sit through and contribute little? When you recall the rich verbal texture and incisive dialogue delivery in "Blue Velvet" and "Mulholland Drive," you have to wonder how we got to the silence-is-golden world of Twin Peaks.
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David Lynch has been playing with stilted dialogue for years.
Re-watch Mulholland Drive and marvel at how many scenes the actors just sound like they're reading words.
Nobody talks like this.
If you check out Hastings' blog, at the end of the page and before the terms of use, there are some coordinates..
linking to what to appears to be the stage who performed the giant, we saw on episode 8.
the white lodge?
linking to what to appears to be the stage who performed the giant, we saw on episode 8.
the white lodge?
The blog is a stroke of genius but the coordinates took me to the convenience store.
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Does anybody else think that Gordon Cole was cleverly testing Diane with the line about how they used to smoke cigarettes? In the 50s B-detective comic book style of the show, I can't help but think that next week, Cole will say something like "That's not Diane. We never smoked together in our life. There's something else going on here..." Diane, like Mr. C, is a possession of the Black Lodge, imho. How gloriously strange, powerful, artful, and utterly silly is this show. I love it.
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I just stopped watching the show. Kyle's role was boring and the show just didn't have that kick it once had so I'm out!
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So you got through half of the new series and now you are going to stop watching? I don't believe you for a second! How's Annie? How's Annie? How's Annie?
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I do think the group Au Revoir Simone is an echo here, but of more import is the fire reference in the song title: A Violent Yet Flammable World. This may imply the forces of the White Lodge have reached a certain point where their efforts will begin to gain traction and pick up coordinated effort in reality. Already Coop's allies in TP have gotten out from the near constant assault and are practically operating out in the open. Like they were caught in an iron grip, but now freed, they've gained strength and health, and those who succumbed are in decay.
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Or, is it a Lynch time-shift scene happening in a different song on the same night?
I am struggling to appreciate "Twin Peaks." I want to, I really do. But I am finding so much of Lynch's style pretentious. Silly for the sake of being silly; weird for the sake of being weird. Episode 8 convinced me of this.
Don't get me wrong, the ideas "Twin Peaks" presents are imaginative, and at times, highly interesting. But so much of it feels just forced and half-baked.
Don't get me wrong, the ideas "Twin Peaks" presents are imaginative, and at times, highly interesting. But so much of it feels just forced and half-baked.
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Lynch is dealing with epic ideas. Most important is he is dealing with the nature of desire in almost all his creations. How do you deal with the battle between Good and Evil and "desire" with all the consequences this has had on the human race? This is like studying advanced theology and psychology, while listening to an opera about the nature of the human condition. Very weighty stuff. I can't blame him for introducing some lightness into the proceedings, or opting for the purely visual (with music) for something like what was "explained" in episode 8. You may long for something more normal, but Lynch left normal TV behind a long time ago.
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The TV Gods have given us one of the most fascinating rides this medium has ever experienced. An extremely talented visionary director, great cinematography, fantastic actors, and writing that has somehow interspersed the most complicated of theories, parallel universes and a system of time travel through electrical conduits within the grids of our everyday lives. Evil vs. Good, in constant flow within us-without us.
Spectacular! I am in awe of this series, episode 9, just as the preceding 8 episodes grows on you, taking a full 24 hours to begin to sink in. Edging closer and closer to Dale Cooper having a full realization of his existence. The journey is fascinating.
Thank You again Showtime, Frost & Lynch, and all of you people who are as obsessed as I am. This series is truly one of the most bizarre smile inducing shows I have ever had the joy to watch.
Spectacular! I am in awe of this series, episode 9, just as the preceding 8 episodes grows on you, taking a full 24 hours to begin to sink in. Edging closer and closer to Dale Cooper having a full realization of his existence. The journey is fascinating.
Thank You again Showtime, Frost & Lynch, and all of you people who are as obsessed as I am. This series is truly one of the most bizarre smile inducing shows I have ever had the joy to watch.
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Didn't Audrey once have red shoes just like that? For a moment, I think Coop's thoughts were with her. Whom we still have not seen.
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Yes, that was my immediate reaction as well.
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Cooper wasn't ogling that woman's legs. Her red heels triggered a memory of Audrey Horne's red pumps in season 1.
Both Diane and Janey-E wore red shoes this episode, too.
Maybe Audrey's about to return.
Both Diane and Janey-E wore red shoes this episode, too.
Maybe Audrey's about to return.
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I agree, and I'm guessing Johnny's self-injury episode is the trigger for her return.
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I love Dana Ashbrook (Bobby Briggs) His character has made such a turnaround. But I can only think Lynch is doing this only to make it that much more heartbreaking when he dies fighting forces of the black lodge. I hope I'm wrong
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As long as he doesn't give *into* the forces at the Black Lodge.
I am insanely grateful for this show. This is the only art that mirrors/helps me process this particular socio-political moment.
Whatever story we could tell ourselves before to maintain the membrane-thin layer of dignity/denial over the darkest and foundational elements of American history (and present) has been irretrievably punctured by the recent election.
Whatever we were before, we are not now, and I still occasionally stop in my tracks marveling that we seem to proceed with the trivialities of life unabated even though we seem to have gone irrevocably together through the looking glass.
And though we may again elect someone dignified and wise to our highest office, Donald Trump’s presidential portrait will forever be on American children’s grade school classrooms.
This show would have been brilliant in any era. But I can’t imagine any other art better capturing the zeitgeist.
Whatever story we could tell ourselves before to maintain the membrane-thin layer of dignity/denial over the darkest and foundational elements of American history (and present) has been irretrievably punctured by the recent election.
Whatever we were before, we are not now, and I still occasionally stop in my tracks marveling that we seem to proceed with the trivialities of life unabated even though we seem to have gone irrevocably together through the looking glass.
And though we may again elect someone dignified and wise to our highest office, Donald Trump’s presidential portrait will forever be on American children’s grade school classrooms.
This show would have been brilliant in any era. But I can’t imagine any other art better capturing the zeitgeist.
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It captures the zeitgeist bit is also a welcome respite. I would rather fight the forces of the black lodge than the GOP.
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Well said....
-Bill Hastings' "blog," which is a real site meant to introduce us to the upcoming soundtrack, has an "inception date" of 1997. Same year as Dougie Jones appeared on the planet. Or, as Philip "MIKE" Gerard said in the Black Lodge, he was "manufactured for a purpose." There seems to be some sort of Black Lodge connection between Bill, Dougie and Briggs (Dougie's ring in Briggs' stomach).
-At the beginning of the series, (Episode 1, I think) Mr. C is asking Ray for information from Bill Hastings. In Episode 8, after Mr. C "escapes" from prison, Ray says he has the info and has all the numbers memorized. Numbers? Are these the coordinates Maj. Briggs told Bill and Ruth about when they bumbled into "the zone," and the coordinates rolled up in the hidden canister (which Briggs also showed to Cooper 25 years ago)?
Juicy nuggets. And 9 more episodes means there's more to come, along with some wonderful Lynch-ness.
-At the beginning of the series, (Episode 1, I think) Mr. C is asking Ray for information from Bill Hastings. In Episode 8, after Mr. C "escapes" from prison, Ray says he has the info and has all the numbers memorized. Numbers? Are these the coordinates Maj. Briggs told Bill and Ruth about when they bumbled into "the zone," and the coordinates rolled up in the hidden canister (which Briggs also showed to Cooper 25 years ago)?
Juicy nuggets. And 9 more episodes means there's more to come, along with some wonderful Lynch-ness.
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Yes. Apparently the blog exists. I found the site. http://thesearchforthezone.com/#
It is definitely a nineties website!
It is definitely a nineties website!
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Go to the site listed by Irene.
Click th link referring to "...my older journal entries".
Any familiarity with season 8?
Click th link referring to "...my older journal entries".
Any familiarity with season 8?
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The same co-ordinates Mr C demands from Darya...and she can't provide so he kills her.
The Arm (tree) said to Good Cooper "243" so will Good Cooper (Dougie) recall this and make his way "in two days" to the same spot as Hawk, Bobby and Truman?
The Giant also told Cooper at the very beginning "Remember 430".
Final thought...Mr C wanted information (co-ordinates?) via Ray from Bill Hastings' secretary Betty. We were told Betty was blown up in her car. that's the same MO as the failed hit on Dougie. The failed hit was organised by someone in Argentina via Lorraine (Philip Jeffries?). Ike the Spike receives a call to later kill Dougie and Lorraine (Lorraine successfully, Dougie not). Was Betty too assassinated to prevent her releaseing co-ordinates passed to her by Bill. All these hits arranged by Philip Jeffries to scupper Mr C's as-yet-unknown plans?
The Arm (tree) said to Good Cooper "243" so will Good Cooper (Dougie) recall this and make his way "in two days" to the same spot as Hawk, Bobby and Truman?
The Giant also told Cooper at the very beginning "Remember 430".
Final thought...Mr C wanted information (co-ordinates?) via Ray from Bill Hastings' secretary Betty. We were told Betty was blown up in her car. that's the same MO as the failed hit on Dougie. The failed hit was organised by someone in Argentina via Lorraine (Philip Jeffries?). Ike the Spike receives a call to later kill Dougie and Lorraine (Lorraine successfully, Dougie not). Was Betty too assassinated to prevent her releaseing co-ordinates passed to her by Bill. All these hits arranged by Philip Jeffries to scupper Mr C's as-yet-unknown plans?
too sloooooow.
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Once you get used to the rhythm you realize that the story is richer and better and more atmospheric with the slower pace.
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I am used to the arythimic quality, and I'm fine with that.
I was a fan from the get-go with this series, and I appreciate David Lynch.
I just find that some of these scenes stretch out way too long, even though there may be a point to it...and I never felt that way with the original Twin Peaks— which was just as rich.
I was a fan from the get-go with this series, and I appreciate David Lynch.
I just find that some of these scenes stretch out way too long, even though there may be a point to it...and I never felt that way with the original Twin Peaks— which was just as rich.
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Look, man. You give Lynch 25 years and 18 hours of screen time and he's not gonna deliver you a tidy little bonbon. Enjoy the feast.
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This was a bit of a let down after the brilliance of episode 8 but it's good to see the pieces finally coming together. Oh I sincerely hope Diane is not in cahoots with Bad Coop!?!
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After the way she responded to seeing him in episode seven I would hope not. I think he's stalking and taunting her.
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Another satisfying episode. I really enjoyed learning more about the Garland Briggs mystery and can't wait to see where Bobby leads the sheriffs and what they find. The numbers and "Cooper Cooper" on the piece of paper seem familiar to me, was this shown in the earlier seasons? I don't remember.
My favorite moments included one mentioned in the review of Cooper staring at the flag, etc. in the police station; Albert finally meeting his match in the coroner, and finally, the way Agent Cole and Diane stared at one another while waiting for Albert who was "indisposed." This was transcendent and went beyond the show itself. It was tender, sentimental but not cloying, and also hinted at some kind of a goodbye, or at the very least an acceptance of change and mortality.
Some other thoughts:
I'm to the point that I find Andy and Lucy contemptible.
I'd like to know where Diane gets her money. She seems to have an expensive home and has expensive tastes. There's a story there but I don't know if we'll learn it.
I'm surprised at the turn of events with William Hastings. This seems like an odd and abrupt turn and I'm not sure I like it. It also makes me wonder if the viewer is supposed to believe there are people like Hastings all over the country (world?) messing around with alternate realities and the Lodges.
Maybe we'll see Jerry's foot in the Black Lodge soon.
Ashley Judd's character telling Ben Horne he's a good man had me laughing.
My favorite moments included one mentioned in the review of Cooper staring at the flag, etc. in the police station; Albert finally meeting his match in the coroner, and finally, the way Agent Cole and Diane stared at one another while waiting for Albert who was "indisposed." This was transcendent and went beyond the show itself. It was tender, sentimental but not cloying, and also hinted at some kind of a goodbye, or at the very least an acceptance of change and mortality.
Some other thoughts:
I'm to the point that I find Andy and Lucy contemptible.
I'd like to know where Diane gets her money. She seems to have an expensive home and has expensive tastes. There's a story there but I don't know if we'll learn it.
I'm surprised at the turn of events with William Hastings. This seems like an odd and abrupt turn and I'm not sure I like it. It also makes me wonder if the viewer is supposed to believe there are people like Hastings all over the country (world?) messing around with alternate realities and the Lodges.
Maybe we'll see Jerry's foot in the Black Lodge soon.
Ashley Judd's character telling Ben Horne he's a good man had me laughing.
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Agreed on Andy and Lucy. They are front-runners for the most severally mentally handicapped characters on the show - far ahead of catatonic Cooper.
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it was in S2. But back then it was "Cooper, Cooper, Cooper" -- definitely 3 Coopers.
And you can see the 3rd Cooper on the margin of the document shown last night.
Not sure if this is a retro-fit or a reveal to come. Seems like we have seen 3 Coops this season .....
And you can see the 3rd Cooper on the margin of the document shown last night.
Not sure if this is a retro-fit or a reveal to come. Seems like we have seen 3 Coops this season .....
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Yes, it was in Season 2. Maj. Briggs picked it up in the course of monitoring signals from space. In the midst of a series of random data (or apparently random data), "Cooper Cooper Cooper" appeared - and it appeared at around the time the giant visited him. I believe he interpreted it as a message *to* Cooper, but it may have been a message *about* Cooper. It was accompanied with another message: "The owls are not what they seem."
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