I hope the NY Giants are taking note of Harvey's actions as relates to Odell Beckham. They better get a handle on his behavior sooner rather than later.
Its time to trade Harvey. We need position players. Let another team deal with this immature athlete.....
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Come into the sunlight, Mets fans. You've suffered long enough. Come to the Yankees. Join the Empire.
Let's face it, the Mets were only playing for the wildcard. The Nats hit better, field better, are faster, and have just as good pitching. With that said, it's a long season and baseball is a funny sport. Let's see how the season goes before Mets fans, at least the true ones, write the season off. Often, it's who gets hot at playoff time that makes a team dangerous.
The Mets organization doesn't work.
How can a major league player refuse - defiantly or otherwise, but especially defiantly - an MRI test? I don't know his contract terms but I'm sure the team has millions of dollars invested in him, possibly for a number of years. He's a capital asset and his employer can expect a certain ROI on him. His contract shouldn't give him the final say on his medical treatment.
And Noah, in case you're wondering, an MRI takes about 15 minutes and it's painless.
And Noah, in case you're wondering, an MRI takes about 15 minutes and it's painless.
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These two entitled brats can be re-named the buffoon brothers.
How do NY teams of all stripes seem to attract these divas?
How do NY teams of all stripes seem to attract these divas?
I'm a Nats fan but can only shake my head and sigh at the pain Mets fans must feel for the ruin of a promising team. There is no excuse for this level of mismanagement.
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Nothing like "crack" management to turn a pennant con tender into a cellar-dweller from one year to the next...
And to destroy their vaunted pitching rotation too... Bad arms, bad apples... mega-implosion!
And to destroy their vaunted pitching rotation too... Bad arms, bad apples... mega-implosion!
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Matt Harvey is a Scott Boras client. That tells me all I need to know about him.
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Suspending Harvey is not only the obvious call but a necessary one. A 28 year old Prima Donna sporting a 2-2 record with a 5.14 ERA who was whacked around in his last outing doesn't get to blow off work. His actions if he were 4-0 with a 1.19 ERA are still questionable. Very few, if any, employers tolerate this sort of behavior from their staff. Not only is Harvey's immaturity an affront to Alderson, Collins and the fans, but there are also 24 other guys on the roster who come to play who need to be shown that unprofessional behavior has consequences.
There is a distinct possibility that 2017 is a showcase for Harvey to demonstrate for other teams that he recovered from two surgeries. His contract with the Met ends after 2018, and Boras, his agent takes his people to free agency. He's not coming back. Why not impose some well needed discipline since it appears that Harvey has not returned to form and that his value has diminished not only to the Mets but his future employers as well.
There is a distinct possibility that 2017 is a showcase for Harvey to demonstrate for other teams that he recovered from two surgeries. His contract with the Met ends after 2018, and Boras, his agent takes his people to free agency. He's not coming back. Why not impose some well needed discipline since it appears that Harvey has not returned to form and that his value has diminished not only to the Mets but his future employers as well.
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I think the Mets would be better served to address the problem openly. Allowing endless rumors to spread is not helpful on either side.
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"Lifting heavy weights"
Sorry but baseball pitchers should not be lifting heavy weights at any time.
Is it any wonder MLB teams are riddled with pitchers going down in their 20s ?
Sorry but baseball pitchers should not be lifting heavy weights at any time.
Is it any wonder MLB teams are riddled with pitchers going down in their 20s ?
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Lack of communication between management and the players Is startling and has bitten them on the behind many times.Number of World Series champions Sandy Alderson has been GM of 0,I wonder why.
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Sandy Alderson was the GM of the 1989 World Series Champion Oakland Athletics.
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Just want to sing the praises of Jacob deGrom. He's a bulldog and doesn''t engender a lot of melodrama. When it came time for the Mets to sign him to a new contract (one that he couldn't really negotiate) they seemed to low ball him. It would have been much better to give a hard worker who doesn't make trouble more of what he was asking for.
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Meet the Mets. I've stopped following professional sports. I forgot it was baseball season! Now I see why. Bring back Kevin Elster. MOOKIE!
"..the feeling grows stronger that this group may have already peaked." The exact moment of that peak was Game 3 of the World Series Oct. 30, 2015.
This one is easy to figure out:
1. The kid had a few too many watching the Kentucky Derby and Rangers game.
2. A couple of good starts, and we'll all forgive him.
1. The kid had a few too many watching the Kentucky Derby and Rangers game.
2. A couple of good starts, and we'll all forgive him.
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A few thoughts:
1. Harvey's mediocre won-lost record is a direct result of the Mets' offensive ineptitude in 2013 and part of 2015. Take a look at some of his starts in 2013, e.g., the nine one-hit innings against the White Sox, or eight innings of one-run ball against the Yankees. The Mets won both games, but gave Harvey no runs to work with while he was pitching. Remember, he started the All-Star Game that year. His first half was as good as Kershaw's.
2. That being said, the real ace in 2015, and likely the future, was deGrom. The Mets knew that. With four games on the road in the World Series that year, deGrom started Game Two and was slated to start Game Six. They had to win at least one in KC, and their best guy would have gone twice.
3. Let's face it, the Mets are schlemozzles. Whatever they do goes sour. If Collins had pulled Harvey in Game Five, most likely Familia and the defense would have found a way to blow the game anyway. Even if they had won that game, would they have touched Cueto in Game Six? Probably not.
4. Most pundits would have conceded playoff spots this season to the Cubs, Dodgers, Nationals, and Mets. Despite the Mets' problems, I see no reason to revise that opinion. The National League stinks.
5. The Blue Jays and the Giants would love to have the Mets' problems. Can you say "Madison Bumgarner?"
1. Harvey's mediocre won-lost record is a direct result of the Mets' offensive ineptitude in 2013 and part of 2015. Take a look at some of his starts in 2013, e.g., the nine one-hit innings against the White Sox, or eight innings of one-run ball against the Yankees. The Mets won both games, but gave Harvey no runs to work with while he was pitching. Remember, he started the All-Star Game that year. His first half was as good as Kershaw's.
2. That being said, the real ace in 2015, and likely the future, was deGrom. The Mets knew that. With four games on the road in the World Series that year, deGrom started Game Two and was slated to start Game Six. They had to win at least one in KC, and their best guy would have gone twice.
3. Let's face it, the Mets are schlemozzles. Whatever they do goes sour. If Collins had pulled Harvey in Game Five, most likely Familia and the defense would have found a way to blow the game anyway. Even if they had won that game, would they have touched Cueto in Game Six? Probably not.
4. Most pundits would have conceded playoff spots this season to the Cubs, Dodgers, Nationals, and Mets. Despite the Mets' problems, I see no reason to revise that opinion. The National League stinks.
5. The Blue Jays and the Giants would love to have the Mets' problems. Can you say "Madison Bumgarner?"
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Why say Madison Bumgarner when we can say Noah Syndergaard not throwing a baseball for two months?
This franchise is cursed.
This franchise is cursed.
Your take is scary--but true. Is this 2009 all over again? Yankee fans are having a field day . . . and just when I thought the Mets were reestablishing themselves and mattered.
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Going on a tangent, this article brings up another idiotic reality - why do the Mets have their top far team in Las Vegas, a five hour flight away across three time zones? Clearly Adam Wilk would have had a much better night's rest coming from Norfolk then a red eye from Albuquerque (where the 51s were playing the Topes). the Phillies AAA team is in Allentown, the Nats in Syracuse and the Braves in the same state in Lawrenceville.
only Oakland has a similarly insane set up, with their AAA based in Nashville. Is there any feasibility in swapping affiliates? Nasvhille is same time zone as NY and a two hour flight. Oakland to Vegas is an hour. Easy peasy.
only Oakland has a similarly insane set up, with their AAA based in Nashville. Is there any feasibility in swapping affiliates? Nasvhille is same time zone as NY and a two hour flight. Oakland to Vegas is an hour. Easy peasy.
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michael tuckman -- "why do the Mets have their top far team in Las Vegas, a five hour flight away across three time zones?"
Pretty common set up, to give the AAA team the best facilities at a reasonable price. I would note that the SF Giants have their AA team right down the road in San Jose, while the AAA team is out of state. Big leaguers recovering from an injury who could use a start or two to gauge their fitness will play down in San Jose sometimes. But even a local AAA team could be traveling. Flying 5 hours is only a big deal because of someone dropping the ball.
Pretty common set up, to give the AAA team the best facilities at a reasonable price. I would note that the SF Giants have their AA team right down the road in San Jose, while the AAA team is out of state. Big leaguers recovering from an injury who could use a start or two to gauge their fitness will play down in San Jose sometimes. But even a local AAA team could be traveling. Flying 5 hours is only a big deal because of someone dropping the ball.
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Terry Collins, aka Mr. Nice Guy, should no longer be in his position. His effectiveness in decision making and leading the team is history. I would like to see someone like Matt Williams lead the team; very old school and no nonsense. Overpaid, spoiled and pampered divas like Harvey should be traded, if someone will take him or sent to the bullpen. Syndergaard should have had a stiff fine levied against him for refusing the MRI and he brought it on himself by being on the forever DL along with David Wright whose better days are very far behind him. Perhaps they can buy out his contract as he and Travis D'Arnaud have shown they have glass bodies
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Matt Williams was a complete failure in Washington who alienated the entire clubhouse by the time he was fired.
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If you actually read my comment I wrote "someone like" and not Matt Williams specifically. Williams is a gamer and takes baseball very seriously. Whatever issues he had with the Nats are unknown to me.
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Most likely because he's a gamer and takes it seriously. He saw the problems between Dusty Baker and Barry Bonds who got away with being a prima donna. If you read my comment correctly I wrote SOMEONE LIKE and not definitely Matt Williams himself!
Harvey reminds me of Lackey when he was on the Red Sox. The aloofness, the entitlement, just the whole general attitude projected from his demeanor. The Sox did the right (painful, at the time) thing and moved him (and others). Probably time for some new addresses for Harvey - and perhaps one or two others - as well.
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I think it's wrong to conflate the Syndergaard/Harvey situations. Harvey's just a hapless flop who needs counseling. His bad decisions and inability to make it to work on time hint strongly at other problems which, historically, have not been uncommon in MLB. Syndergaard, on the other hand, has only ever showed a willingness do what it takes to win. The fact that he was unwilling to get the MRI - - that there was something about that procedure that he didn't want to be a part of - - indicates that there's a procedural issue in the Mets' organization that is NOT working. That's a coaching staff issue that must be addressed immediately and may require drastic measures. Better to connect Syndergaard/Cespedes/D'Arnaud, etc.
And I hope the guys on the team were supportive of that poor pitcher they used on Sunday. That mound was more like a public stockade
And I hope the guys on the team were supportive of that poor pitcher they used on Sunday. That mound was more like a public stockade
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What a royal mess.
And I really thought this team could go places. Well, it will: the depths of the league, its natural habitat.
Mets and Jets should merge, or something. Jmets? Mjets? Whatever. Two jokes.
And I really thought this team could go places. Well, it will: the depths of the league, its natural habitat.
Mets and Jets should merge, or something. Jmets? Mjets? Whatever. Two jokes.
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Apparently Reyes is now the adult in the clubhouse, with David Wright missing more than just on the field.
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Jose, can you see... the irony?
After a stupidly career wise signing with the Marlins, but a good money move, getting sent to the artificial turf of the Blue Jays, and unceremoniously sent to the Rockies, along with the domestic violence suspension, I would have to say that Jose Reyes has finally grown up.
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Terry Collins seems like a nice guy—too nice to be effective as a manager of this Mets team. Syndeagaard and Harvey in particular seem to have their own agendas not especially tied to team goals. They need to be reined in or booted from the rotation. I don't think Collins is the guy to do it, and he's not getting any help from a clubhouse that lacks leadership, or from his GM. Personally, I'd trade Harvey. What was that line from Bull Durham? A million dollar arm and a 10-cent head?
I think they peaked around the playoff games against the Cubs, unfortunately. All five pitchers (Syndergaard, Harvey, DeGrom, Matz, and Wheeler) have not appeared in one five-man turn of the rotation once. That really says something.
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Every Royals fan in America remembers the looks from the Royals bench when Harvey came back on - they knew they were going to win. The decision then was based on Harvey's ego, the manager surrendered, and it cost the Mets. It seems that while the experience has not led to any personal growth for Mr. Harvey, maybe there is hope for the team.
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The Dark Night, with all his swagger and aloofness, has a lifetime won loss record of 31-30. Mediocrity peddled as brilliance. Not entirely unlike the recent plight of the entire team.
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Will somebody please remind the Met's underachieving, over-hyped, mega-talented starting pitchers that it's early May, a couple of shutouts will solve everything..
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While I don't condone Harvey's actions, lack of communication is a two-way street. We'll never know what really happened. He's obviously a moody guy, and probably depressed over the two surgeries that have short-circuited what was once such a promising career. Things could still change though. It's too early to give up on him. Have a feeling a couple of good outings, and some of those fans who are calling for his head on a platter would quickly change there tune and be out there in left field holding up Dark Knight K posters again...
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The Mets have encouraged the perception of letting the inmates run the asylum, esp. when it comes to players' health. They should have suspended Syndergaard for three days without pay for refusing an MRI. Perhaps it would have prevented his recent injury. At the very least, it would have sent a strong message that no one, not even the ace (which is what he is), can go against what the team prescribes.
As for Harvey, he is reaching (if not already at) the point where he just might not be worth the hassle. He simply hasn't progressed the way he should have, and by all accounts, that's on him for lack of dedication (in-season weight gain, etc.). Not too long ago, he was their ace. Now he's their #3 starter. He might be working his way down to the #5 spot at this rate.
When he comes back, he will face the defining stretch of his career. If he doesn't get his groove back, and if the Mets find themselves out of it come July, they may decide to trade him then, with more than a year left on his contract, to get something decent in return.
As for Harvey, he is reaching (if not already at) the point where he just might not be worth the hassle. He simply hasn't progressed the way he should have, and by all accounts, that's on him for lack of dedication (in-season weight gain, etc.). Not too long ago, he was their ace. Now he's their #3 starter. He might be working his way down to the #5 spot at this rate.
When he comes back, he will face the defining stretch of his career. If he doesn't get his groove back, and if the Mets find themselves out of it come July, they may decide to trade him then, with more than a year left on his contract, to get something decent in return.
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At the very least, it would have sent a strong message that no one, not even the ace (which is what he is)
Can the day be far away when Robert Gsellman is the ace of this staff? Hopefully, DeGrom will stay both mentally and physically healthy. As Howie Rose strongly implied on the day of Syndergaard's more serious injury, Noah needs to realize that Thor is a fictional comic-strip character and Noah Syndergaard is a real flesh and blood person, you know, like most four-year olds realize after trying to fly off the sofa like Superman and landing on their noses. The Mets seem to have several pitchers unable to separate their own hype from reality. Thor and the Dark Knight are advertising gimmicks to get fans in the stands and in front of their TV's or other devices, just like "King Felix" is in Seattle. As long as the subject of the hype doesn't take it seriously, it's all good fun both for the team and the fans. Our Met pitchers should take that "as long as" to heart. To win 90 games and reach the playoffs, you can't have lapses in consistent play that last too long. The Mets will reach that limit of inconsistency if they don't get it together this month and reach the end of May at, say, eight games under .500. Not that anyone in their division except the Nationals is playing well, but the problems of the Phillies, Braves and Marlins are not a matter for Met fans to worry about. The seeming confusion on the Mets team is.
Can the day be far away when Robert Gsellman is the ace of this staff? Hopefully, DeGrom will stay both mentally and physically healthy. As Howie Rose strongly implied on the day of Syndergaard's more serious injury, Noah needs to realize that Thor is a fictional comic-strip character and Noah Syndergaard is a real flesh and blood person, you know, like most four-year olds realize after trying to fly off the sofa like Superman and landing on their noses. The Mets seem to have several pitchers unable to separate their own hype from reality. Thor and the Dark Knight are advertising gimmicks to get fans in the stands and in front of their TV's or other devices, just like "King Felix" is in Seattle. As long as the subject of the hype doesn't take it seriously, it's all good fun both for the team and the fans. Our Met pitchers should take that "as long as" to heart. To win 90 games and reach the playoffs, you can't have lapses in consistent play that last too long. The Mets will reach that limit of inconsistency if they don't get it together this month and reach the end of May at, say, eight games under .500. Not that anyone in their division except the Nationals is playing well, but the problems of the Phillies, Braves and Marlins are not a matter for Met fans to worry about. The seeming confusion on the Mets team is.
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Good grief.
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I am a great admirer of Alderson, but I am reluctantly coming to the conclusion that his pitching-centered strategy has been a mistake. I suppose that he was and probably still is constrained by the owners' financial propblems. Of course it's a long season, and of course things can turn around, but it already feels as if it's getting late early.
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My hope is the next expulsions will be Collins & his Pitching Coach, along with Alderson, & it would make my day if the Current owners would sell the team to someone who loves & has knowledge of the Game.If this doesn’t happen, the Bronx have an exciting young team that are entertaining.
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It is just the Mets being the Mets. With the exception of a few rare seasons they have always been a dysfunctional. It is as much the fault of the players as it is the owners and management. Nothing has changed
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Prima Donna. Trade while you can get something in return.
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And he deserves to be traded to Colorado, where pitchers have an ERA of 5.
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They wouldn't get anything for Harvey now. Do you really think any other team would want him?
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I don't like Matt Harvey. He is a selfish player who seems far more interested in money than the game he was hired to play. In that sense, he reminds me of the Knicks Carmelo Anthony.
The Mets are not likely to re-sign Harvey in 2019 and it feels likely that they will trade him by July of next year. Why waste time. Trade him now.
The Mets are not likely to re-sign Harvey in 2019 and it feels likely that they will trade him by July of next year. Why waste time. Trade him now.
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For years, Harvey has been signaling to the Mets that he doesn't want to play for them. While his trade value is now at an all-time low. I hope management finally accommodates him this summer.
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So Harvey and Syndergaard are cartoon superheroes? They look more like Mutt and Jeff.
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This situation is as old as time, and so is the solution, albeit painful.
Harvey is a bad apple with a bad attitude. He's spoiling the proverbial barrel. Get rid of him now. To mix metaphors, this cancer is spreading.
Harvey is a bad apple with a bad attitude. He's spoiling the proverbial barrel. Get rid of him now. To mix metaphors, this cancer is spreading.
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A miscommunication ? More likely he put the sex toy Plawecki's locker a photo of which was posted all over the internet.
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The ship, it be sinking...
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Where or where are you Tom Seaver , Jerry Koosman and Jon Matlack??
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They did not play in the modern game and aged. you can't go back. Same true of NBA stars of the past who aren't playing the modern game and aged. Can't compare to modern times. Can enjoy great memories
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Don't forget Gil Hodges and Davey Johnson !
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I believe the point being made is character, which is sorely missing today !
Harvey and Syndergaard, dumb and dumber.
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Good piece piece about the Cubs philosophy on 60 Minutes. They built around young hitters, not pitchers, with high moral character. Seems to be working.
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This is the nail in the coffin for Harvey's future as a Met. He will walk at the end of his contractual obligation and good riddance. He's a self-absorbed baby and at best a third starter, not the ace he imagines himself to be. Good luck to him and his agent when they try to break the vault in getting him a mega contract. The word is out on him. He's damaged goods - both physically and emotionally.
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Part of the reason he's an "ace" is the papers told him he was. 5 innings does not make an ace.
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First of all, early May is not the time to write off the season. Second, there is still plenty of upside to this staff. We are still waiting on Matz and Lugo, deGrom seems to be his old self again, and Wheeler is off to a very promising start in his first season in forever. Noah comes back in the second half with a fresh arm, leaving Harvey as the great quandary.
I believe his own pride won't let him give up on himself. As for his team, well, some guys are just loners, don't mix well in the clubhouse. Not uncommon among pitchers especially.
Nobody cares, if he does his job. Trust me. Nobody cares what makes a pitcher tick, they only care if it helps him give the team a chance to win.
Sunday would have been a nice game to have, and surely the organization knew that when they suspended Harvey, so this clearly falls into the category of running out of patience with Harvey's less-than-stellar prioritizing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey is struggling with some self doubt. He gets racked up more and more in a way he's just not used to. He's tried to be the bulldog but the results aren't there to go along with the effort. And the harder he tries, the less his efforts seem to pay off.
But it's early in the season for him, too. There is plenty of time to turn the ship around, for him and for this team. They've once again found a way to hang in there even with injury after injury to their veteran roster.
I'm not counting them out.
I believe his own pride won't let him give up on himself. As for his team, well, some guys are just loners, don't mix well in the clubhouse. Not uncommon among pitchers especially.
Nobody cares, if he does his job. Trust me. Nobody cares what makes a pitcher tick, they only care if it helps him give the team a chance to win.
Sunday would have been a nice game to have, and surely the organization knew that when they suspended Harvey, so this clearly falls into the category of running out of patience with Harvey's less-than-stellar prioritizing.
I wouldn't be surprised if Harvey is struggling with some self doubt. He gets racked up more and more in a way he's just not used to. He's tried to be the bulldog but the results aren't there to go along with the effort. And the harder he tries, the less his efforts seem to pay off.
But it's early in the season for him, too. There is plenty of time to turn the ship around, for him and for this team. They've once again found a way to hang in there even with injury after injury to their veteran roster.
I'm not counting them out.
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Walt,
Re: Waiting for Matz and Lugo, like Godot, they will never arrive.
Re: Waiting for Matz and Lugo, like Godot, they will never arrive.
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trade Matt Harvey for a couple of prospects now,
before he becomes un-trade-able.he is a constant
distraction to a team which has more than enough troubles already.
as for trading Donald Trump, I suggest Trump for a couple of minor Russian diplomats.
before he becomes un-trade-able.he is a constant
distraction to a team which has more than enough troubles already.
as for trading Donald Trump, I suggest Trump for a couple of minor Russian diplomats.
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For Harvey, I'd take a fungo bat and some old mitts.
As for trading Trump for some Russians: you can't. they already play on the same team, Team Putin.
As for trading Trump for some Russians: you can't. they already play on the same team, Team Putin.
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The troublesome part of this ? Fans overpaid for seats, overpaid for food, overpaid for parking, etc. to then come to a game and watch a pitcher from who knows where. And in addition, the mets output? One hit.
Then ask why when watching from the comfort of ones living room, the background ? Empty seats among a sea of empty seats throughout the ballpark.
New Yorkers are no fools. They see things pretty clearly even though it's annoying at the very least.
Then ask why when watching from the comfort of ones living room, the background ? Empty seats among a sea of empty seats throughout the ballpark.
New Yorkers are no fools. They see things pretty clearly even though it's annoying at the very least.
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So the Mets brass decided it's worth throwing a game just to make a point to Matt Harvey? What in the H-E double hockey sticks is going on in Flushing? Just what we need right now to accompany the neverending parade to the DL. Oh and Cabrera's hurt now too. Terrific.
Meanwhile the Yankees are owning the WS champs in Chicago. How is it that the cast can change but the story always remains the same?
Meanwhile the Yankees are owning the WS champs in Chicago. How is it that the cast can change but the story always remains the same?
What a meaningless inflaming article on a few incidents in a long season in only the start of May.
Trust in Alderson, Collins, staff to make the post season for the third year in a row. If someone is injured, unavailable to do a job they'll get or develop reinforcements as they always do.
Forget the published drama and check back in September. Appreciate a team that has had two post seasons in a row. Gotta play the future games, not the temporary drama.
Trust in Alderson, Collins, staff to make the post season for the third year in a row. If someone is injured, unavailable to do a job they'll get or develop reinforcements as they always do.
Forget the published drama and check back in September. Appreciate a team that has had two post seasons in a row. Gotta play the future games, not the temporary drama.
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It seems like the Mets have had a string of bad luck, but when the string is too long it is a symptom of stupidity.
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Bye-Bye Terry. You lost the team in the '15 Series and you're not getting them back. Harvey is doing his team and the fans a favor by bringing this to a head.
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I guess you don't remember 2016 and Terry taking the team to the playoffs with a decimated pitching staff and injuries to the whole starting infield and catcher.
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The sooner the Mets can figure out a way to get some value for Harvey, the better. With free agency looming, and worse yet, with his agent Scott Boras, looming even more troubling----It's probably time to cash in for what you can get.
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C'mon, this is the greatest starting trifecta to pitch for any Major League ball team since Pulsipher, Wilson and Isringhausen. Aren't they all in the HOF now?
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Those guys never won anything, Stu. These guys won a pennant. I'm just afraid that's all we're gonna get.
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