One of the reasons I liked this episode WAS because of the introduction of a new group. We know there are more out there; so far they have been a mix of hostile and welcoming. One day our faithful heroes will come across a new group that is right for them, and settle in happily and without tension. For that, I would welcome them to my hometown of Grand Isle, Nebraska. Come to the prairie, Rick & Co! (But leave the hat behind.)
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I am a fan of the show, but I must be honest, this season is slow and boring.
They have the first episode of course show who gets killed, so we all watch that. then every episode since then is really boring.
Of course they will have the episode before the break be exciting. It seems to me that they put the episode at the beginning and end exciting and the rest boring. It never used to be like that.
They have the first episode of course show who gets killed, so we all watch that. then every episode since then is really boring.
Of course they will have the episode before the break be exciting. It seems to me that they put the episode at the beginning and end exciting and the rest boring. It never used to be like that.
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I got bored with this show during the second season. It seems to go nowhere, everyone is just chasing their own tails around Georgia.
It's just a TV show folks. Save yourselves some trouble and check out the graphic novels, they are better anyway.
It's just a TV show folks. Save yourselves some trouble and check out the graphic novels, they are better anyway.
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Dear Java Master,
I respect your viewpoint, but please do not come back next week to tell us you still find it boring, unless you change your mind. Hearing that a show bores other people is, in itself, boring. Thanks.
I respect your viewpoint, but please do not come back next week to tell us you still find it boring, unless you change your mind. Hearing that a show bores other people is, in itself, boring. Thanks.
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Dan - Reminds me of James Joyce, who said the word interesting wasn't interesting. You're on a roll this week! Love it!
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I lasted with the comics until the conclusion of the Neegan story. When the comic moved on to the next event, I found I had finally lost interest and stopped reading. I think that was somewhere in the 150+ issue. Now I find the same thing happening with the tv show. There is a much better Neegan used in the tv show than in the comic, so it is really a shame how little he is being used.
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I'm starting to get bored with the WD. I never thought I'd say that, but honestly, this season is just TOO many new characters and new communities. Rick and the main group have been on, what, 2 episodes? And there's only 2 left? Its all starting to get really ponderous, all the backstory. The last real action was the season premiere! You're losing me WD, pick up the pace and regain FOCUS.
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2 left for this half of the season. TWD will return to complete this season after the New Year.
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This episode showed Tara in a new light. It's a been 14 episodes or so since we last saw her and she differently had a personality change. I don't remember her being so witty with quick one liners that were sometimes funny and sometimes profound.
I guess the purpose of introducing all these different communities that are separated by distance and philosophies is to show us the tyrannical reach of the Saviors' oppression and maybe that one day they all be united in an uprising against an iron handed dictator and his subjects. Sounds kind of topical for what's currently happening in this country.
I guess the purpose of introducing all these different communities that are separated by distance and philosophies is to show us the tyrannical reach of the Saviors' oppression and maybe that one day they all be united in an uprising against an iron handed dictator and his subjects. Sounds kind of topical for what's currently happening in this country.
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After managing to avoid all news of the orange fascist for 24 hours, I'm feeling much more upbeat. Sorry about my earlier irritation.
I liked this episode a lot, partly because I like Tara, partly because none of it is from the comics, so it's all new to me. Also because it had an interesting community existing in a rational and highly organized camp. Surprised nobody seems to have named them this yet, but I'd call them the Amazons. The Isle of Lesbos would be appropriate too but has connotations which might offend.
So the bells, the drill for retrieving guns, the way they worked as a unit, their rules, all made a great amount of sense, and showed just how unprepared and foolhardy Alexandria, the Hilltop, and the Kingdom are.
I liked the ethical quandaries presented too, in Tara's justifying the first strike on the Saviors, which immediately justified why the Amazons would want to kill her immediately. Heath's points about being on their own brought up another moral dilemma.
So I liked the episode and how it brought another group into play. It makes sense that a lot of groups would have been established like this; even if the outbreak killed 99% of Americans right away, that leaves over 3 million people, and folks do like to band together.
They had some direct quotes from the comics too, and a good bit of ironic humor. Thought this episode moved things in a good direction, and I hope to see more such innovation (the sandwalkers were completely novel, for example).
I liked this episode a lot, partly because I like Tara, partly because none of it is from the comics, so it's all new to me. Also because it had an interesting community existing in a rational and highly organized camp. Surprised nobody seems to have named them this yet, but I'd call them the Amazons. The Isle of Lesbos would be appropriate too but has connotations which might offend.
So the bells, the drill for retrieving guns, the way they worked as a unit, their rules, all made a great amount of sense, and showed just how unprepared and foolhardy Alexandria, the Hilltop, and the Kingdom are.
I liked the ethical quandaries presented too, in Tara's justifying the first strike on the Saviors, which immediately justified why the Amazons would want to kill her immediately. Heath's points about being on their own brought up another moral dilemma.
So I liked the episode and how it brought another group into play. It makes sense that a lot of groups would have been established like this; even if the outbreak killed 99% of Americans right away, that leaves over 3 million people, and folks do like to band together.
They had some direct quotes from the comics too, and a good bit of ironic humor. Thought this episode moved things in a good direction, and I hope to see more such innovation (the sandwalkers were completely novel, for example).
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I actually enjoyed the episode, compared to the debacle of the season premier. I don't mind seeing Tara out in the world - but if I have to see that fist-bump one more time, I may yell. Totally cringeworthy, which I know it's supposed to be, but seriously...
I think we will see Cyndie again. She got a LOT Of screen time, and had a lot lines for someone we'll never see again. Don't know about the rest of them. But I agree with what Vicky said on this thread - this episode is a spoke in the wheel of this season. Frankly, I would have been bored with watching an entire episode or more on the 'emotional fall-out' of losing Glen and Abraham. They're used to losing people - all we need to know is that that feeling of loss will underline all their choices over the season. I don't need them to dwell on it, but it does need to be written in as a motivation and as part of their character development. The writers can do that with a few well chosen moments; unlike what others have said here, I feel like too often, WD drags and NOTHING HAPPENS, whereas this episode at least had some developments. What those developments will mean down the road, only time will tell. Tara may have been peripheral in seasons past, but that doesn't make her unworthy of screen time. Rosita had more screen time and lines in these past two episodes than she has in all the previous seasons (so it feels to me, anyway). So, perhaps the writers will make them more interesting over the course of this season.
I think we will see Cyndie again. She got a LOT Of screen time, and had a lot lines for someone we'll never see again. Don't know about the rest of them. But I agree with what Vicky said on this thread - this episode is a spoke in the wheel of this season. Frankly, I would have been bored with watching an entire episode or more on the 'emotional fall-out' of losing Glen and Abraham. They're used to losing people - all we need to know is that that feeling of loss will underline all their choices over the season. I don't need them to dwell on it, but it does need to be written in as a motivation and as part of their character development. The writers can do that with a few well chosen moments; unlike what others have said here, I feel like too often, WD drags and NOTHING HAPPENS, whereas this episode at least had some developments. What those developments will mean down the road, only time will tell. Tara may have been peripheral in seasons past, but that doesn't make her unworthy of screen time. Rosita had more screen time and lines in these past two episodes than she has in all the previous seasons (so it feels to me, anyway). So, perhaps the writers will make them more interesting over the course of this season.
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y0u were right the first time when you said that WD drags and nothing happens. it has become a boring series, as is its sister show FWD.
Tara seems to be carrying about 40 pounds of personal lard. Now, how is that possible ? She has virtually no food for weeks. She is constantly walking, running, climbing and fighting zombies and others. See WW II combat photos. Those soldiers -on all sides - are all thin. Really really THIN. Just saying.
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She was pregnant?
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Yes, the actress just had a baby. Big deal.
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Should they get another actress to play her? Seriously. It's a TV show. TV shows and reality tend to diverge. And describing her body shape as having '40 lbs of lard' is inaccurate as well as kind of mean.
Abraham was not a slim jim. He was beefy. Eugene hardly moves. And Sacha's brother - not exactly your skinny rake of a guy. Just saying. I would imagine that if the real zombie apocalypse had occurred, everyone would be skinny rakes with lean muscle. More like Rick. Or Sacha. Or for that matter, Dwight. (And presumably Dwight has better access to food than anyone outside the Saviors so how do you explain him?)
Abraham was not a slim jim. He was beefy. Eugene hardly moves. And Sacha's brother - not exactly your skinny rake of a guy. Just saying. I would imagine that if the real zombie apocalypse had occurred, everyone would be skinny rakes with lean muscle. More like Rick. Or Sacha. Or for that matter, Dwight. (And presumably Dwight has better access to food than anyone outside the Saviors so how do you explain him?)
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At first I dreaded the thought of an all-Tara ep, but then she turned out to have the best lines of the season. TWD's writers seldom seem to realize that, even while living in hell, one does not completely lose their sense of humor. Not if sanity is to be preserved, anyway.
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I totally agree with the author:
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But while this episode had some nice moments and Alanna Masterson is charming as Tara, I could never quite get past the fact that we were devoting an entire hour to another marginal character, while meeting yet another new grow
And right, who the heck is Heath?
Although interesting to meet another group and. at that, all women, a slow moving and disappointment episode, the first of this new season.
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But while this episode had some nice moments and Alanna Masterson is charming as Tara, I could never quite get past the fact that we were devoting an entire hour to another marginal character, while meeting yet another new grow
And right, who the heck is Heath?
Although interesting to meet another group and. at that, all women, a slow moving and disappointment episode, the first of this new season.
I thought that the actress who plays Tara was funny and fun to watch, but the plot was pretty "meh". I'm glad Tara kept her morals and her promise, but nothing surprising happened at all. We met a new settlement. That is a plot point in the larger story, but they didn't make this episode an interesting story in and of itself. Let's all be real: The reason they chunk these stories into solid blocks like this is because they are cheap and don't want to pay the actors who play Rick and Daryl for more episodes (even though their pay checks per episode are NOT big for such a high rated show). The show still has great characters and an interesting story, but the different threads should be woven together. But because they are trying to skimp on paying the actors (who do a great job and deserve a nice paycheck) they are going down in the ratings! So they are making fans mad and shooting themselves in the foot.
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Where did the real writers go? This boring joke in no way resembles the show I've loved since episode one. Feeling manipulated and not in a good way. The acting in this episode was laughably bad. The writing was worse. Not caring anymore.
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Sadly, I am losing interest in my favorite show.....it's almost like the writers are trying to lose viewers.
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I was thinking this oceanside group might be "the Whisperers". Are they not the Whisperers?
I just have to be the one to say it: stay tuned to find out. Though, if you read the comics you would already know the answer. ;o) I think, in general, TWD is more fun for those who don't read the comics.
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It's still amazing to me that the Times thinks it's worth paying someone to write a synopsis (with comments) on a TV show. And then the writer can't be bothered to pay enough attention to get the name of the new group of survivors?
Jeremy Egner has the easiest job in the world, bar none! And the most tolerant editor of all time. OK, Jeremy we don't expect you to be able to pay attention to an entire 48 minute broadcast, we'll just run what you've got.
In other news Mr. Egner reports on the White House today where the President said something he didn't quite catch...
Jeremy Egner has the easiest job in the world, bar none! And the most tolerant editor of all time. OK, Jeremy we don't expect you to be able to pay attention to an entire 48 minute broadcast, we'll just run what you've got.
In other news Mr. Egner reports on the White House today where the President said something he didn't quite catch...
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Hah! Funny and true on its own merits.
I guess I kind of gave the author an excuse for not knowing the settlement's name. I thought to myself that by not knowing it he was emphasizing the general theme of apathy for the episode.
I guess I kind of gave the author an excuse for not knowing the settlement's name. I thought to myself that by not knowing it he was emphasizing the general theme of apathy for the episode.
Sorry JP but this complaint is inaccurate. The new settlement was never named during the episode. Also this isn't the only thing Mr. Egner does at the NYT (that would be an insanely easy job). Lastly, there is no point in paying attention to the words of Trump anyway, since he is nearly always lying or wrong.
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OK, if that's true then why did this hard-working journalist write what he did?
Wouldn't it have been more accurate to say the group was not named? He certainly made it appear as if accuracy was not his, or his editor's, concern.
I look very much forward to Mr. Egner's new assignment: a daily re-cap – with wry commentary – on Wheel of Fortune.
Wouldn't it have been more accurate to say the group was not named? He certainly made it appear as if accuracy was not his, or his editor's, concern.
I look very much forward to Mr. Egner's new assignment: a daily re-cap – with wry commentary – on Wheel of Fortune.
The writers need to mange multiple story lines simultaneously rather than leaving groups for several episodes, thus decreasing any emotional connection to the stories. Glenn and Abe were killed and we never saw the emotional fallout with the core characters. They deserved more than that. Carol and Morgan are also critical as is Darryl. They have been relegated to chopped up writing isolation. Consequently, I'm only marginally connected to the show this season and I've been addicted. Get it together, writers! You're wasting your amazing cast!
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My feelings exactly! As a long time fan, I feel an extreme disconnect this season. To the point where I really don't care if I watch it, or not. Why are they introducing new characters? We want to see the old ones, and how they are coping.
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I have to disagree with you about showing the emotional fallout. Yes, we didn't see the entire AFZ mourn. However, we did see the people closest to Glen and Abraham - Sasha, Maggie, Rosita and Enid. The episode at Hilltop showed Maggie and Sasha dealing with their loss and how it made them stronger. We also see Enid, so upset over the loss of Glenn, start out on her own to find Maggie where she shares her grief over the wrong grave. During the episode where Negan comes for a surprise visit at the AFZ as well as the Tara-centric episode, we see Rosita's grief expressed as anger and resolve to obtain more weaponry.
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I agree that they got to it a bit, but Maggie and Sasha were, what? Three episodes in? Rick and the others at Alexandria were already back to life there are being used by Negan and the saviors - I would've liked to see some focus on the impact on Rick, Michonne, and the others who witnessed the brutality. I'm not suggesting that a whole episode needed to dwell on this, but it seemed strange to go from the violence and trauma of the first episode, to the Kingdom (nothing about the core group and loss of Glenn/Abe), then either back to Alexandria and Hilltop with little overlap or emotional connection. I've tried to think that maybe this would be what it's like a zombie apocalypse, they have to move on and don't have as much time or ability to grieve as they're trying to survive. But in the end, it seems like lesser quality writing to me.
"It was fun to finally see a seaside colony, which would probably be my preferred spot to hide from zombies..."
Seaside is not necessarily a safe place to be, as evinced by Max Brooks in his zombie oral history "World War Z." The sea bed is a harbor for thousands upon thousands of zombies, all from various ship sinkings and so on as a result of the plague. A chapter in his book recounts a submersible trip to the sea bed to sea...er, I mean see the zombies on the sea floor. Since zombies are dead and don't need to breath, sinking doesn't really pose a problem to them.
Seaside is not necessarily a safe place to be, as evinced by Max Brooks in his zombie oral history "World War Z." The sea bed is a harbor for thousands upon thousands of zombies, all from various ship sinkings and so on as a result of the plague. A chapter in his book recounts a submersible trip to the sea bed to sea...er, I mean see the zombies on the sea floor. Since zombies are dead and don't need to breath, sinking doesn't really pose a problem to them.
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I sense the well-deserved mocking tone "another new group" - how could they totally mess up a really.... really.... good series.
I am feeling a Lost moment when I sadly realized that all of the loose ends were not in service of a greater story arc but simply... loose ends.
I am feeling a Lost moment when I sadly realized that all of the loose ends were not in service of a greater story arc but simply... loose ends.
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EXACTLY what I was thinking while watching this traveshamacrocy. And they wonder why the ratings are cratering.
I share the same sentiment with many others. Disappointment. In my opinion the entire episode did not need to be focused on Tara. I am missing a feeling of hope and the narrative. I also don't like that there seems to be a pattern of separating the characters and their story lines. I miss the days when they were a group working together. I would like some sign of hope and strength. Kind of tired of the Negan thing already. It feels like they are stretching things out waayyyyy too long. Maybe I need to have more patience...I don't know. I love the show and am not giving up on it just yet.
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If the comic books got this bad when they got to Negan, was that the end of the comic books?
Every AMC 'serial' that I've watched has gone on at least one season too long. If they're planning on two more of this...oh, Lord, can we stand it?
Every AMC 'serial' that I've watched has gone on at least one season too long. If they're planning on two more of this...oh, Lord, can we stand it?
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Um...How about Breaking Bad?
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I definitely think Breaking Bad went on the equivalent of one season too long. I think the producers were aware they were in danger of dragging things out too much and that's why they decided to announce it would end when it did.
And the ending was really great! BUT...it did go on a season too long...still a fabulous show like TWD. Too bad the writing is a bit weak this season. I can't put my finger on it, but the authenticity of the characters is a bit lacking. There was some grueling character work in the beginning seasons, not so much now.
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This episode the WD left the main group 'entirely', except for Eugene and Rosetta. Has 'entirely' joined 'literally' as a word that no longer means what it used to?
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Rosita
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The Walking Dead is done. They are clueless to the crowd.and I could now care less. way to go producers. You shot yourself in the foot.
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When Tara looked up at the bell in the trees - and it didn't ring - it seemed significant. Was that what tipped her off that she was being led to her death? I don't know why but that seemed to mean something.
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Toward the end of last season, I thought TWD was setting up a breakthrough season. Much in the way The Americans put it all together in its best season yet this year. And I thought Jesus’ line, “Your world is about to get a whole lot bigger” would be the key.
In a sense, that line is the key to the new season, but in the worst possible way. It’s almost as though the producers have perfected a process of ANTI-PLOTTING. NOTHING has happened yet, in this entire season. We’ve learned what happened at the end of last season. And met a lot of new people. And that’s it. Normally, one would have expected storylines in all these new locations to be intercut. They didn’t do that because it would have been even more obvious that all we’ve been doing is meeting people. The story hasn’t moved forward through 7 episodes.
It’s also very disappointing that we’ve already seen this basic story before. Oh, a wacko, mad man community leader? Did we really need a Governor V2? I don’t think so. I realize these shows came from comic books. It’s just disappointing to me that they’ve turned their tv show into one.
I actually thought all the new people the Alexandrians were going to meet would be afraid of Rick & Co. and start treating them as the bad guys, after the raid. That might have been interesting. But there were lots of ways to make this show bigger, better, more interesting, in a bigger world. Too bad these producers haven’t found one.
In a sense, that line is the key to the new season, but in the worst possible way. It’s almost as though the producers have perfected a process of ANTI-PLOTTING. NOTHING has happened yet, in this entire season. We’ve learned what happened at the end of last season. And met a lot of new people. And that’s it. Normally, one would have expected storylines in all these new locations to be intercut. They didn’t do that because it would have been even more obvious that all we’ve been doing is meeting people. The story hasn’t moved forward through 7 episodes.
It’s also very disappointing that we’ve already seen this basic story before. Oh, a wacko, mad man community leader? Did we really need a Governor V2? I don’t think so. I realize these shows came from comic books. It’s just disappointing to me that they’ve turned their tv show into one.
I actually thought all the new people the Alexandrians were going to meet would be afraid of Rick & Co. and start treating them as the bad guys, after the raid. That might have been interesting. But there were lots of ways to make this show bigger, better, more interesting, in a bigger world. Too bad these producers haven’t found one.
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If they had written/cast/directed Negan differently--if they had been able to bring the comic Negan to the TV screen, this would have been a whole 'nother kind of season. We'd be much, much happier fans.
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The writing for this show is bad. They do characterization as if it exists apart from plot. The plot should reveal the characters; it's not as if you set aside time for "characterization". But that's exactly what this show does. How the creative team behind this show could have thought last night's episode was a good way to continue the story is beyond me. I don't think they know what to do with 16 episodes.
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Maybe Tara knew the Amazon Women on the Bay were going to try to kill her because she saw last week's preview for this episode. In it we saw Tara hiding in the ditch, so I knew through the show that she would be hunted again (or escape).
I think IMPROV is correct in identifying the major plot development. Another group on the periphery of Negan's malevolent rule. But this one has a well stocked armory with lots of assault rifles. We may see the beginning of an alliance among the groups and Eugene manufacturing ammunition (probably not from sorghum, though).
I think the place for an ideal post-apocalyptic settlement would be an island or defensible peninsula with good farmland - like RPS' Martha's Vineyard. I thought the Georgia group should have struck out for the Carolina / Georgia sea islands with farmer Herschel as Secretary of Agriculture. Nearer Alexandria, the Eastern shore or Delmarva peninsula would have lots of farmland and would be easier to defend than places near the old big cities and zombie herds.
And canned okra is an excellent additive to many meals. Enjoy it before or after the Zombie Apocalypse!
I think IMPROV is correct in identifying the major plot development. Another group on the periphery of Negan's malevolent rule. But this one has a well stocked armory with lots of assault rifles. We may see the beginning of an alliance among the groups and Eugene manufacturing ammunition (probably not from sorghum, though).
I think the place for an ideal post-apocalyptic settlement would be an island or defensible peninsula with good farmland - like RPS' Martha's Vineyard. I thought the Georgia group should have struck out for the Carolina / Georgia sea islands with farmer Herschel as Secretary of Agriculture. Nearer Alexandria, the Eastern shore or Delmarva peninsula would have lots of farmland and would be easier to defend than places near the old big cities and zombie herds.
And canned okra is an excellent additive to many meals. Enjoy it before or after the Zombie Apocalypse!
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I don't like okra.
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Growing up, we kids were expected, reasonably, to at least try everything on our dinner plates. The one time that didn't happen was when my Dad tasted the okra that had been prepared, didn't like it (and he liked, or at least pretended to like, everything, to be polite)--so we kids didn't have to eat it! Your comment brought that 50-year-old memory back. (-;
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There's an article in today's NYT on picky eaters, super tasters, and why we don't like what we don't like. Okra is mentioned - several times.
Add frozen okra at the last minute. Stays crisp.
Add frozen okra at the last minute. Stays crisp.
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To those it may concern: what TWD world is moving toward is a bottleneck crisis. The survivors, numerically, are physically fit males who are not inclined to build or grow, but to dominate. Before much longer, their unsustainable system will become so top heavy that no amount of intimidation will produce enough calories -- short of cannibalism -- to keep them fed. The correct observation that the walkers are less threatening than they used to be is partly because they are becoming easier to kill as the decay process grinds slowly forward. The increase in the physically fit male population relative to the producer population is one consequence. The loss of skills and knowledge is another.
The image of all those threatening males in the entryway to the big house at the Hilltop is a picture of what is coming. They have scavenged about all there is left to scavenge. When there are -- for a short period of time -- more predators than sheep, you have the makings of horror movie. The predators will turn on one another, and the trick will be to survive the bloody kill off that follows.
Mundane fiction has not conditioned you to accept the survival of the species as an element in the narrative. This is more complex in execution and takes longer to develop, but I -- for one -- find it extremely interesting, if not always what you might call "enjoyable" in the usual sense.
The image of all those threatening males in the entryway to the big house at the Hilltop is a picture of what is coming. They have scavenged about all there is left to scavenge. When there are -- for a short period of time -- more predators than sheep, you have the makings of horror movie. The predators will turn on one another, and the trick will be to survive the bloody kill off that follows.
Mundane fiction has not conditioned you to accept the survival of the species as an element in the narrative. This is more complex in execution and takes longer to develop, but I -- for one -- find it extremely interesting, if not always what you might call "enjoyable" in the usual sense.
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This season makes me feel like I'm sitting in a waiting room listening to elevator music....
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We're beginning to see a lot of "shark jumping", like the dead under the sandpile for what a year, they couldn't get out?
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Lady Camp? Girls? Really... could you be more dismissive and misogynist?
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Right - but it happened on 'Talking Dead', too. I believe the name was Seaside or Seaview, right?
Sometimes a lady camp is just a lady camp.
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Well I liked it, but I'm almighty sick of all the negative Nixons who keep popping in to say how much TWD sucks. It's boring, weird, shark-jumping, too violent, not violent enough, and gripe gripe gripe.
Listen folks, you don't like it anymore, fine. Go have your temper tantrum about it in your room, don't tell us about it. I like to think people come to this recap to discuss a show they like, not to complain about one they can't stand watching.
So you hate it, fine, TWD hates you too. Never watch it again, never click on a blog about it, block it out of your mind, but for god's sake stop with the pointless whining.
Maybe I'll mention the neat parts of this show later. For now, I'm too overcome with contemptuous annoyance to be positive about anything.
Listen folks, you don't like it anymore, fine. Go have your temper tantrum about it in your room, don't tell us about it. I like to think people come to this recap to discuss a show they like, not to complain about one they can't stand watching.
So you hate it, fine, TWD hates you too. Never watch it again, never click on a blog about it, block it out of your mind, but for god's sake stop with the pointless whining.
Maybe I'll mention the neat parts of this show later. For now, I'm too overcome with contemptuous annoyance to be positive about anything.
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I suspect that a lot of complainers who are "done", really haven't stopped watching.
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Mr. Stackhouse, I do not hate the show, but I am sorely disappointed in it. I feel let down--like a friend I depend upon who keeps going off the rails. Criticism and expression of disappointment is not the same as whining. Behind my negative criticism--and some others'--is a hope that someone w/influence on TWD will see our comments and have an "Aha!" moment which will turn the tide and bring the show--our friend--back to us. The purpose of genuine criticism is to help improve the object of that criticism. That said, your comment has motivated me to examine my future comments to be sure they are neither gratuitous nor completely negative.
This is a fun place to be serious about a TV show that many of us--you, I, and several other regulars--care deeply about.
This is a fun place to be serious about a TV show that many of us--you, I, and several other regulars--care deeply about.
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I've loved this show. I hope that perhaps writers or show runners read comment sections. Critique can be helpful.
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We are seeing a gathering of a band of angels that will combine and smite negan and his followers.
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I suspect that Heath is going to meet his maker sooner than later as the actor who plays him Corey Hawkins is on the new TV show 24 Legacy as the main character.
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I believe this episode is the connection to the start of the rebellion on the Saviors. They are a hidden group with lots of guns. It will be just a matter of time when Tara tells Alexandria members about them. What better way to get revenge for killing all their men. This would make 4 communities strong in the fight against Negan. In the comic books, Rick does have a plan to put out Negan but does not let the community know so they won't give it away.
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The whole Keystone Kops stumbling routine whenever they encounter actual walking dead has become tiresome for me. If the dead were sprinting or walking at something faster than a casual shamble I could understand the distress but everyone seems to lose all sense of coordination and ability to walk/run when they encounter the dead. I look forward to them getting over that.
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Thank you! I'm glad I'm not the only one who has noticed this. When the giant herd attacked Alexandria, it's like Rick and company had a light bulb moment and realized "What a minute...wait, just...a...minute...these things walk REALLY SLOW and are REALLY DUMB, let's just KILL ALL OF THEM!" and at that moment the zombie "threat" lost all credibility to me in this show. The only time they are ever actually a threat is when someone gets on their hands and knees and pretends these things can't be killed instantly at any time. Come to think of it...how did a zombie apocalypse even occur in a country with more guns than people...? Eh, never mind.
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I brought this up last year when main characters suddenly developed trouble getting up fences, ladders, and out of sewers. Tara's feet-sort-of-fail-me-now effort to get away from the sandy walkers continues this baffling trend. One would think believable escapes would be part of How to Make a Zombie Show 101. IMO, it is sad proof of tired, uninspired writing/directing/show running. Watch almost any episode from S1-S4 and you'll see exactly what I mean.
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And . . . why didn't Tara just do a crouched, tippy-toe along the bridge rail where shed' be hidden by the parked cars instead of barrelling through the middle where all the walkers were? I thought it was the obvious way to go when the camera showed the path was clear there.
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I didn't think the episode was all that bad. Frankly, I am very curious about other camps (societies) that have developed. Basic humanity, technology level, etc. I can take or leave Tara although I would have liked to see her return to Alexandria and how she deals with the loss of Denise and Glenn a bit more developed. Also - Heath could be an interesting character but I don't want to spend another week with an hour dedicated to his journey back to Alexandria - if he ever made it.
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My guess is he'll disappear into the Jack Bauer universe for awhile with a possible return in a hiatus, a la Morgan style.
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This was the dumbest episode in quite a while. Why would Neagan kill all the men/boys and destroy their ability to "produce" for him? Why would he leave all their guns? Spending an hour on irrelevant characters in the middle of the most tense season seemed wasted.
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They ran and are in hiding from negan; thats why they have the guns
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Now that's a very good question. Especially since such a big point was made of Negan confiscating the Alexandrians' guns. That's how he stays in power.
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Yeah, but note that Negan wasn't necessarily going to take away their guns until the altercation between Carl and the Saviour inside the house at Alexandria, which reminded Negan just how many guns Rick must have. So, perhaps Negan's sheer numbers and the retribution he has exacted in the past hasn't necessitated taking away guns, and he changed his mind when he considered Rick and his posse's previous actions.
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I think this episode enlarges the issues posed when Rick and Company attacked the Savior outpost.
Is it okay to strike first and kill so indiscriminately? Tara justifies this to the women. So, in their universe, Tara had to die.
That raid was a big mistake for Our Group. Morally. And tactically since they'd done no intelligence work before striking.
Glenn said it, "I think they know more about us then we do about them." Indeed.
This season is at least in part about the catastrophic blowback from the strike first policy. And Negan reminding them that actions have consequences. Not to mention Hubris---believing that if you take care of you and yours it will all turn out well. We'll see.
Is it okay to strike first and kill so indiscriminately? Tara justifies this to the women. So, in their universe, Tara had to die.
That raid was a big mistake for Our Group. Morally. And tactically since they'd done no intelligence work before striking.
Glenn said it, "I think they know more about us then we do about them." Indeed.
This season is at least in part about the catastrophic blowback from the strike first policy. And Negan reminding them that actions have consequences. Not to mention Hubris---believing that if you take care of you and yours it will all turn out well. We'll see.
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In short, the most interesting and enriching piece of information that I got out of this episode was the "Lady Tribe's" revelation that they were a damaged, exiled product of The Saviors; it's also what provided overall relevance to this episode. It reinforced our understanding of that group's incredible reach and power and cruelty.
The rest of this story struck mostly as contrived Hollywood silliness: while I have no doubt that Natania would want to eliminate Tara, I do find it hard to believe that she would execute this with an elaborate rigmarole of pretending to let her go. Why do that? All to placate Cindie? Even more, why pretend to set Tara free by parading her out in front of a whole community that is supposed to understand a zero-tolerance policy for killing strangers? It just didn't make sense.
I also found Tara's figure-it-out-in-the-moment bumbling (Oh, uh, yup that last one you said, what was it, uh, Larder, uh-huh, right that's it. Cool.) to be bad acting, combined with the absurdity of her escaping death at every possible turn by one unlikely stroke of luck after the next.
All in all, a moderately entertaining episode, but I wouldn't recommend that Tara gets much more screen time. She's a nice girl---but c'mon now.
The rest of this story struck mostly as contrived Hollywood silliness: while I have no doubt that Natania would want to eliminate Tara, I do find it hard to believe that she would execute this with an elaborate rigmarole of pretending to let her go. Why do that? All to placate Cindie? Even more, why pretend to set Tara free by parading her out in front of a whole community that is supposed to understand a zero-tolerance policy for killing strangers? It just didn't make sense.
I also found Tara's figure-it-out-in-the-moment bumbling (Oh, uh, yup that last one you said, what was it, uh, Larder, uh-huh, right that's it. Cool.) to be bad acting, combined with the absurdity of her escaping death at every possible turn by one unlikely stroke of luck after the next.
All in all, a moderately entertaining episode, but I wouldn't recommend that Tara gets much more screen time. She's a nice girl---but c'mon now.
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Catherine H said this is the TWD season of women. The same with GoT last season - Sansa; Arya; Dany; Brienne (as diplomat rather than as fighter). Can Hollywood finally be getting real? Glad my Millennial nieces are seeing this change on TV. I wish it had been so 40 years ago, when I was their age. Well, I guess it began in the 1990s and continued, for example, in the early part of this century with BSG: Reimagined Series and Starbuck portrayed as and by a woman. This deserves a dissertation and I hope one has been or is being written.
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I thought this was the best episode of the season and the most thought provoking Leave it to a "marginal character" to bring it to fruition
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These past few episodes have created a long and languishing build up that will hopefully lead to a satisfying way for the "good" survivors to deal with Negan once and for all - Live together/die alone at the community level.
Looks like the writers are setting up for a post-Apocalyptic Model U.N. with female ambassadors from the various communities that all suffer from a Saviors problem. Carol is at the Kingdom, Maggie and Sasha (and now Enid) are at the Hilltop, Tara established moral cred and befriended Cindie before escaping from the coastal village. Rosita is the one Alexandrian who is looking to find a way to beat rather than manage the Saviors. And maybe there will even be a conspiratorial role to play for Mrs. Negan/formerly Mrs. Dwight.
As for the ideal post-apocalyptic settlement location...I'd think a coastal community or even an island like Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket would provide security and consistent food supply. Or setting up in some farmhouses in Amish Country which would be ready to be farmed without fuel-powered machinery. Just don't wrangle up the Walkers to keep them in the barn!
Looks like the writers are setting up for a post-Apocalyptic Model U.N. with female ambassadors from the various communities that all suffer from a Saviors problem. Carol is at the Kingdom, Maggie and Sasha (and now Enid) are at the Hilltop, Tara established moral cred and befriended Cindie before escaping from the coastal village. Rosita is the one Alexandrian who is looking to find a way to beat rather than manage the Saviors. And maybe there will even be a conspiratorial role to play for Mrs. Negan/formerly Mrs. Dwight.
As for the ideal post-apocalyptic settlement location...I'd think a coastal community or even an island like Martha's Vineyard or Nantucket would provide security and consistent food supply. Or setting up in some farmhouses in Amish Country which would be ready to be farmed without fuel-powered machinery. Just don't wrangle up the Walkers to keep them in the barn!
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A full episode of Tara was a bit much. I was left hoping there would be more Heath, despite the fact I barely know him, because he at least still displays some likable characteristics. I couldn't help but feel that regardless of whether this seaside colony had a shoot-to-kill-outsiders policy, her ludicrous and somewhat obviously hostile behavior would have justified execution in the world she is living in. It was apparent that she was trying to rob them and that she was lying - if anybody showed up at a Rick-run colony acting like that they would have been quickly disposed of. And if it happened I would not have been heartbroken - at least we could get back to the narrative, and get on with the demise of the incredibly annoying Negan.
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Remember another less than marginal character, Beth. She turned out pretty good until her end. I wasn't thrilled with Tara looking goofy now and not sure footed. Almost as if she has spent 2 weeks hiding out in a Denny's with Heath. Guess that can't be helped but she sure did blunder around, out of breath... not the same Tara we knew back in the Governor days. Enough weight shaming... What was up with her poor attempt at being funny? That seemed off. And will we ever know that the card was at the end that said PPP on it? Pumpkin Pie Party? Who knows.
Alanna Masterson was away on maternity leave since the end of last season, hence the extra pounds.
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This season is becoming like the filler season when everyone was walking separately to the Sanctuary but last night's show was laughable. The acting and directing were really bad, I'm not sure how she was trying to come off but it wasn't very believable. The gauntlet running through the bridge pushing zombies was horrible as well. There are way too many story arcs and they slo mo through them all.
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I think that THE WALKING DEAD -- and I have been a huge, obsessive fan -- can take a page out of the GAME OF THRONES playbook. I think the HBO show understands that viewers like to follow -- and are capable of following -- multiple character stories per episode. It keeps the action moving and the show more cohesive. This fringe/one character analysis episode, in my opinion, never really worked, going back to the ones featuring the Governor. The only reason I found those tolerable, I think, is because I binge-watched that season, so I was never really without Rick and the gang for long.
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Ultimately it will take an uprising by all of these isolated groups to take out Negan. My guess is that all of this is a buildup for that. Maggie is set up to takeover Hilltop. Tara now knows an armed group. Carol is in the midst of the Kingdom. Daryl is planted within Negan. Alexandria, especially Michonne, await the reemergence of combative Rick. Now, what makes the alliance gel?
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That is a great summary & stage-setter, Scott! It encourages me to keep watching. Just wish the show's story-telling had the same oomph! I don't see how the writers-producers-directors can transform this season. It been a long road to a short barn. And I think we all know what would get Rick out of his doldrums. Hint: think hat, think hair.
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DH called the assassination attempt as soon as they left camp, happily, because I would have been
clueless. "Hey, why's she running?" I barely remembered Tara and didn't recall Heath at all. I certainly thought it was a bit of a waste to spend an hour on their trials and tribulations. I am much more concerned about the fates of Rick et. al. or whether Carl and Jesus will meet an untimely demise (the truck idea seems a little half-baked IMO). The armory set up in Oceania was a nice touch but will it show up in the 3rd act or get sloughed off? Only two episodes left before the winter hiatus--c'mon writers pick up the pace!
clueless. "Hey, why's she running?" I barely remembered Tara and didn't recall Heath at all. I certainly thought it was a bit of a waste to spend an hour on their trials and tribulations. I am much more concerned about the fates of Rick et. al. or whether Carl and Jesus will meet an untimely demise (the truck idea seems a little half-baked IMO). The armory set up in Oceania was a nice touch but will it show up in the 3rd act or get sloughed off? Only two episodes left before the winter hiatus--c'mon writers pick up the pace!
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I've never taken to the past few seasons where we would spend entire episodes on one character. There's no change of pace and this series needs it.
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In the past I've enjoyed the "bottle" episodes that so many said were boring. I like Tara (enjoyed seeing her trying to keep the fist bump alive in the ZA). I liked seeing the new group & their adaptive rules for surviving. But it was yet another episode that seemed to drag on, piquing interest only to dash it in vaguery & camouflaging story dynamics in confusion. Did Heath abandon Tara or did he nearly die trying to save her? Why were we shown three 1-second shots of the ground? Why did Cyndi suddenly stop, look around, then decide to leave Tara w/the spear--did we hear something in the palms? Does not having children shot in the back of the head qualify as evil? Can we put this on Negan (it's not his style) or an overly enthusiastic outpost? This episode was poorly edited & poorly paced.
The main impression I got from this episode was that the writers/producers are tired, and they put all their eggs in Negan's basket where being pelted in the face with them over & over & over leaves me tired and wondering where the story went. If I thought we had egg on our face with S6, E3 and E16 . . .
Mr. Egner did a neat job of summing up what the episode was about--thanks! I needed that. It's the only reason I will watch again next week. I may be a little co-dependent on TWD. (Keith Allan rules!!!!!)
The main impression I got from this episode was that the writers/producers are tired, and they put all their eggs in Negan's basket where being pelted in the face with them over & over & over leaves me tired and wondering where the story went. If I thought we had egg on our face with S6, E3 and E16 . . .
Mr. Egner did a neat job of summing up what the episode was about--thanks! I needed that. It's the only reason I will watch again next week. I may be a little co-dependent on TWD. (Keith Allan rules!!!!!)
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I was confused about what happened to Heath, too, Greene. Also, how did the zombies get placed in the sand truck?
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The writers/producers aren't tired. They're greedy.
Like every other AMC 'serial' that I've watched, this one has simply gone on too long. Every season, as ratings remain good, there is more filler to drag out the money making as long as possible. Ultimately, that kills the ratings, the Golden Goose and some of their reputation.
This would have been a great 12-16 hour mini-series. It's been good to decent to fair every season until now. But, this is an awful storyline, writing and only investment in the characters makes it worth watching. But, that won't go on forever.
Like every other AMC 'serial' that I've watched, this one has simply gone on too long. Every season, as ratings remain good, there is more filler to drag out the money making as long as possible. Ultimately, that kills the ratings, the Golden Goose and some of their reputation.
This would have been a great 12-16 hour mini-series. It's been good to decent to fair every season until now. But, this is an awful storyline, writing and only investment in the characters makes it worth watching. But, that won't go on forever.
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Heath was fighting off a large group when Tara went off the bridge. They had words of reconciliation ... when Tara comes back, she sees his broken glasses as well as the key card, which is yet unexplained.
The z's didn't get in the sand truck. The sand was dumped on top of them from the trucks. The better question is why were there so many of them on the bridge? If you noticed, most of them were male. I think they were a troupe of Saviors who were taken out by a single shooter standing at the edge of where the sand stopped pouring. There was a huge pile of shell casings, all of the same caliber in one spot in the sand before Tara pulled on the bag sticking out and started the avalanche. My first impulse was to collect the shell casings for Eugene.
Put the bits of evidence together and you have an Easter Egg. Now class, tell me what you make of the one female walker not covered in sand, who was in an exceptionally bad mood when Tara passed through.
The z's didn't get in the sand truck. The sand was dumped on top of them from the trucks. The better question is why were there so many of them on the bridge? If you noticed, most of them were male. I think they were a troupe of Saviors who were taken out by a single shooter standing at the edge of where the sand stopped pouring. There was a huge pile of shell casings, all of the same caliber in one spot in the sand before Tara pulled on the bag sticking out and started the avalanche. My first impulse was to collect the shell casings for Eugene.
Put the bits of evidence together and you have an Easter Egg. Now class, tell me what you make of the one female walker not covered in sand, who was in an exceptionally bad mood when Tara passed through.
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I keep expecting someone to show up with some Abrams tanks, artillery, or better yet, attack helicopters and put an end to all of this nonsense. With all of the military hardware left in the world you can't tell me that someone hasn't thought of using it. I know the Governor Group II had an old M60, but they had no idea how to use it.
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Dear HKS,
There's actually a good reason for the scarcity of heavy weaponry and military vehicles. At the start of the outbreak, the military was put on the front lines against the zombies, and we've been seeing abandoned tanks and such occasionally, since episode one. Most of the ammo and fuel for these was doubtless used up during the initial conflict. Any tanks or helos that weren't used are probably still highly secured on bases.
Lastly, driving a tank or flying a helo is very tricky and incredibly few people are trained to do so. The Governor managed to find one guy who had driven a tank in the army, but that was the only person we've seen so far who could have.
There's actually a good reason for the scarcity of heavy weaponry and military vehicles. At the start of the outbreak, the military was put on the front lines against the zombies, and we've been seeing abandoned tanks and such occasionally, since episode one. Most of the ammo and fuel for these was doubtless used up during the initial conflict. Any tanks or helos that weren't used are probably still highly secured on bases.
Lastly, driving a tank or flying a helo is very tricky and incredibly few people are trained to do so. The Governor managed to find one guy who had driven a tank in the army, but that was the only person we've seen so far who could have.
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The quality of the show has slipped badly - from the writing, from the questionable directorial decisions, to its emphasis on the ever sprouting, uninteresting new communities, as opposed to an evolving, deeper examination of the original core group's struggles. These declines in production values, together with the multitude of unimaginative commercials that seem to run almost as long as the actual story segments themselves, makes for a very strained commitment to an hours worth of viewing time.
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Honestly, I was pleasantly surprised with the episode.
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Me too.
1
This has been the most unenjoyable season to watch of TWD in the series to date. I literally dread Sunday night now and sandwich the show between Family Fued and Westworld so I don't go to bed in a foul mood.
I think Tara is adorable. I am really sick of episodes that focus only on one storyline/character. My boyfriend was angry the whole episode that they did a Tara/Heath episode and didn't introduce the next (and worse) group of villains from the comics.
For those of you that don't read the comics, the Saviors are nothing compared to what's coming. This too shall pass.
I think Tara is adorable. I am really sick of episodes that focus only on one storyline/character. My boyfriend was angry the whole episode that they did a Tara/Heath episode and didn't introduce the next (and worse) group of villains from the comics.
For those of you that don't read the comics, the Saviors are nothing compared to what's coming. This too shall pass.
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Maybe next episode they will find an oil refinery and teach each other how to transport crude, refine it and distribute it so they can keep driving to the used car dealership for the unlimited supply of operable cars. But .... no one seems to know anything but how to plant vegetables and shoot guns ... they even forgot why they needed birth control. What if Carl laeves to open a haberdashery? So the future for year 8 looks grim!
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No! No haberdashery for Carl!
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Not surprising at all that the entire hour was spent on Tara, the show has done this with others also. Maybe people are just angry it was on a 'minor' character like Tara instead of, say Daryl, or Rick. I was glad to know what was going on with Tara, but yes, I think they are taking up time, knowing that this series isn't ending anytime soon.
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No, the episodes with Daryl and Rick have been atrocious, too.
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I'm getting a bit tired of the Negan/Sadist, Gregory/coward scenario... We know this already. Let's move on. I couldn't wait for Sunday night! Now, if I miss an episode, I really don't care...
3
there was this show,years ago called, lost i think it was
and what happened was...
and what happened was...
Best. Show. Ever.
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Ah, Lost. Its legend looms large. One of these days, I'm going to watch it all again like I just did TWD.
1
The Walking Dead is becoming a tiring, frustrating show to watch. I don't know how much longer I can keep viewing it. There's no hope, for anything, in the show's story. Same old stuff, different villains. Time for the show to progress or be discarded.
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I agree, though I found the throw-away comment about the barges to be interesting. Perhaps an allusion to a hopeful resolution for when AMC decides to wrap this up?
I gave up after the first episode this year, and decided I'd just read the summaries. It is just too dispiriting to see our heroes constantly pushed further and further down, without any hope. I'll follow from the safety of the written descriptions.
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Completely agree! too frustrating
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Well, I am ready to take the heat:
I enjoyed this episode. After 4 endless hours enduring the Savoirs, it was good to watch something new.
Yes, Tara has been a "marginal character", but keep in mind that since Abraham and Glenn are dead and buried, new characters have to replace them in OUR group (I feel myself identified with Rick´s group).
It is also good to see different settlements and how they are organized.
Remember Woodbury?
Also, Alexandria was totally different before Rick´s group arrival. Somehow I would like to find more settlements and different organizational patterns.
And last but not least, the Savoirs are unbearable, we deserve better.
I enjoyed this episode. After 4 endless hours enduring the Savoirs, it was good to watch something new.
Yes, Tara has been a "marginal character", but keep in mind that since Abraham and Glenn are dead and buried, new characters have to replace them in OUR group (I feel myself identified with Rick´s group).
It is also good to see different settlements and how they are organized.
Remember Woodbury?
Also, Alexandria was totally different before Rick´s group arrival. Somehow I would like to find more settlements and different organizational patterns.
And last but not least, the Savoirs are unbearable, we deserve better.
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I've always liked Tara. She seems most representative of what a normal person would become if they survived. She's not a psycho or hero or villain, but she has retained some humanity and humor to deal with the world. I thought the writer(s) for this episode captured her essence.
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I enjoy seeing the broader world out there (even through the eyes of a "marginal" character.) The illustration of the various settlements and their personalities is really quite interesting, even if it means transitioning in the storyline from trying to survive the walkers to trying to survive the re-establishment of civilization.
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Another group? That's the evolution of a post-apocalyptic world. An hour w/ Tara was ok. I got my TWD-induced tension rush. But I am getting a bit impatient to see movement toward eliminating Negan and the Saviors. He and they are pure evil. Like making Steve Bannon emperor of the world.
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Although I didn't think this episode was great, it finally demonstrated what I'd thought since the beginning: why not move to a near island for protection. There must be thousands of boats available. Not coincidentally, it's the women who again show the most sense.
Of course that would mean less zombie killing and fighting, the central reasons for Walking Dead.
I totally agree that a scene was missing. It was only after Tara ran and they started shooting that I figured out the assassination plan. Those women did have an admirable arsenal.
Of course that would mean less zombie killing and fighting, the central reasons for Walking Dead.
I totally agree that a scene was missing. It was only after Tara ran and they started shooting that I figured out the assassination plan. Those women did have an admirable arsenal.
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I think I would set up camp in the lobby of Trump Tower and change the T in Tower to an "L." I'd put up signs around Manhattan saying that every Monday night was "Open Mic" night which, without electricity, we would accomplish by using soap on a rope as a pretend microphone. If a Northern group affiliated with the Saviors showed up, led by Steve Bannon (who already has the groovy army jacket and the look of someone with a fairly advanced case of Vitamin C deficiency) I would keep them away by making the cover charge for that night's entertainment ridiculously high.
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Loved loved loved this episode. Rachel was like that little girl Carol killed. Cyndie is like the Buddha, or Basho. LOVED the beautiful beach! But as we know from FTWD. zombies can swim. But who the heck is Heath? Don't remember him at all from Alexandria. Eugene's face when Tara's enters Alexandria is heartbreaking. There was no Cal's hat, either, so all in all I was happy. (The beach, BTW, looked more like a Caribbean beach than the SE United States.) Killing all the males? The flip side of Game of Thrones, where the male infants are willingly sacrificed. The character actress deserves a shout out by her real name - Deborah May - might be one of the best character actresses you remember from her various gigs but never knew her name. An extended stint in ER's early years; a brief stint on The Last Ship. Jeremy, why didn't you talk a bit a real-life matriarchal societies? Also, there's something about the fish. Or maybe it is indeed just a resource to keep from starving, and not a symbol. So glad to be away from the saintly Alexandrians for an episode and have an episode focused on that marginal character, Tara.
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i figured the beach was the ga/sc coast, it can look pretty tropical on the water.
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There are still some maritime forest remnants along the SC/GA coasts. That's what it looked like to me.
This is a bit off topic. Last week I read the latest TWD "news" that Carl may be leaving the show, citing tweets etc. to prove that he was going off to college and leaving TWD behind. Too much work.
That's so funny... very few people on the show have a lot of work this year...there are so many characters, and so many story lines... and they keep spending time, like this episode, on minor characters...
I don't think they really have a plan or know where they're going... so much filler. Unless all the disparate groups.. Hilltop, Women's camp, Alexandria, Kingdom are going to work together against Negan and the Saviors ... and we know that will never happen. Hey. That reminds me. Why haven't we spent more time at the Kingdom? COME ON TWD. You're losing us.
That's so funny... very few people on the show have a lot of work this year...there are so many characters, and so many story lines... and they keep spending time, like this episode, on minor characters...
I don't think they really have a plan or know where they're going... so much filler. Unless all the disparate groups.. Hilltop, Women's camp, Alexandria, Kingdom are going to work together against Negan and the Saviors ... and we know that will never happen. Hey. That reminds me. Why haven't we spent more time at the Kingdom? COME ON TWD. You're losing us.
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Yawn.
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Wow, such erudite and well-researched wisdom. Surely a genius intellect the equal of Socrates' is responsible for this astounding comment.
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I disagree with the naysayers. I liked this episode. Tara has been one of my favorite characters since she joined the show, even though they don't always use her as well as they might. Think about her arc..."Phillip"--the Governor, that is, came upon her and her family when he had his short conversion back--I think--to his pre-apocalyptic self. Because he was good to them and protected them, they believed the enemy was Rick's group, which led to the deaths of her sister and daughter. Recall also that Heath, like Glenn, hadn't killed a human being until the attack on the satellite station. His question at the start was central to the episode...can violence be justified, or is it all self-interest? Tara learned that lesson many times over in the episode.
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When this episode started and Tara was shown lying unconscious on a beach, I just laughed.
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I didn't think this episode was the snorefest the rest of you saw. This season so far has been about the strength of women and this episode seemed to be another chapter along those lines. Actually, the story of the Saviors killing off all the males seemed kind of lame explanation as to why this community was all women. Though Tara promised not to reveal that they were there, I would be surprised if she doesn't end up back there now that Denise is gone.
BTW, Heath pretty much said it's everyone for themselves, then abandoned Tara. He obviously didn't get back to ASZ. Do we really care what happened to him at this point?
BTW, Heath pretty much said it's everyone for themselves, then abandoned Tara. He obviously didn't get back to ASZ. Do we really care what happened to him at this point?
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Do we know he abandoned her?
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Yeah, I'm not sure why it seems we were watching 2 different shows but he absolutely did not abandon Tara.
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Near the end of the show, the scene on the bridge with the zombies played out differently from the same scene at the beginning.
In the replay, Heath was fighting and firing his gun to help Tara, then his gun clicked empty and Tara went over the side, as he was being overwhelmed by the walkers.
Pure speculation on my part, but he may not have returned to Alexandria yet, because he's still looking for Tara along the river.
In the replay, Heath was fighting and firing his gun to help Tara, then his gun clicked empty and Tara went over the side, as he was being overwhelmed by the walkers.
Pure speculation on my part, but he may not have returned to Alexandria yet, because he's still looking for Tara along the river.
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This was a very necessary episode as now we have an Alexandrian who knows where an armory is. Other than that, you didn't have to be Alanis Morissette to see the irony in Tara stumbling into what first appeared to be a sapphic idyll; Twitter certainly didn't. But the reveal that they're manless due to the Saviors just had me thinking how wildly inconsistent those guys are in meting out their levels of retribution.
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My husband and I discussed that point, as well. I think it's an adaptive retribution: the Saviors killed all the men, but left the guns; the guns (and women) disappeared. In Alexandria, you take the guns, but leave the people "to produce."
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It was "necessary"? Why? This show needs to stop jerking around and get to the point.
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An hour spent on Tara? I wouldn't have believed it if I hadn't seen it with my own eyes. Boring is too kind a word for this. Okay, okay, we get it. The Saviors are a nasty lot who use violence to subjugate any other group of survivors in their general vicinity. How many more examples do we need? This show has become episodic with no overall narrative arc. Even if the Saviors do eventually get their comeuppance, where does the story go from there? Will Rick's group (or what's left of it) just keep wandering forever, picking up and discarding members as they go? As for Daryl, he had opportunities to wash up in Alexandria and declined. I don't think he really wants to get clean.
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OK Walking Dead Fans: If you thought the last few episodes stunk, well,tonight (11/27/2016 was by far the worst yet.. It was like watching an entirely different show. According to latest reviews, the ratings are at an all time LOW Guess TWD is doomed. IMO,the writers blew it ! Z Nation is much better!
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The latest episode of Z Nation was dreadful. Doc falls into yet another group of crazies and doesn't figure it out until it's almost too late. Yawn...I watch Z Nation and I think it's a hoot more often than not, but TWD is far superior even at its worst.
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OK Nikki, you've had the final word, please don't come back next week to say this again.
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If you recall, he was not introduced right away in Alexandria. He was introduced much later as a character returning from a scavenging trip. Mullet was at the gate and admired their joint "hair thing" (he has dreds) they both have going.
He was also with the group when Glenn got caught under the dumpster. He argued with Michonne when they eye trapped in the petstore when she told him he really hadn't done any of the stuff Rick's group has, until you have so much blood on you, yoy don't know if it's yours or theirs.
Then he saw that guy (with the note for his girlfriend) killed up against the gate they all barely got over and understood what she meant.
He's basically been willing to do whatever Rick's group asks and knows how to kill the zombies.
He looked a lot thinner in this episode, too, which didn't help recognizing the character.