Mr Trump's genius is on display yet again! His high-octane IQ knew that the Democrats would come totally unglued if he said he'd do exactly what Gore did in 2000. The repulsive hatred and hypocrisy of the left is undeniable and obvious to all. Mr Trump and his superior intellect are 30 steps ahead of the Democrats!
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The bigger question is, will the Democrats accept the election results when Mr Trump wins?
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If he wins, of course.
That's a mighty big "if."
That's a mighty big "if."
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The Republican politicians running for office will not abandon Mr.Trump due to his refusal to accept the election results in light of his fatuous claim of a rigged election. Why not? Because most of them cannot abandon the wing nut faction of the party if they want to win. And those Republican politicians that are pretty much already losing will not pick up any democratic or independent votes by Abandoning Mr. Trump because they waited to long to express what all but the terminally deluded already know - Mr. Trump is unfit to be president.
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He didn't say big league. He said bigly.
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Oh I get it. Its okay if a Democrat doesn't accept an election they lose (Gore in 2000) but Republican have to accept their loss. Don't give the Democrats any backtalk. You have it coming to you. Thanks for clarifying.
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Ever since I was a kid growing up in Brooklyn in the 50s the Trump family name was always prominent. I am surprised that not one person who has ever known him in the world of NY politics or real estate ever warned the public about him along time ago.
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My God, make this END! So embarrassing to us all!
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I frankly don't care if Trump accepts the thrashing he's about to get on Nov. 8. Hillary will be our next president whether the neoconservatives like it or not, and if they want to start winning presidential elections they need to nominate competent moderates instead of narcissistic, racist, sexist nuts like Trump. End of story.
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The post debate conversation between Hillary and President Obama must have been a hoot.
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Let's just get this farce over and done with!!!!!!
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I'll sorry no matter how terrible Trump is, the Clintons are still really creepy. The White House is going to be spooked for the next four years. It's beyond scary.
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Glad the final presidential debate from hell is over with. No surprises except maybe Trump's vaunting that he wouldn't recognize the election results unless he won. What chutzpah! Hubris! Nasty narcissism. Not a funny debate and now we just need to get through another October surprise and then the election itself and see what Trump does to tug his forelock to Hillary Clinton. Good work from Chris Wallace except one cannot but wonder why he did not bring up the seminal question of our hinge of history - climate change, warming, and climate denial. We are all of us frogs bathing in a cool pot of water on the AGA as the heat rises to a slow boil and then - Sweet Land of Liberty, My country Tis of Thee - we and our descendants will all be cuisses de grenouilles in durance vile in this planet ntil we sail away to Mars.
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Donald Trump is a manifestation that the people of the United States don't get along together. Our Congress is totally dysfunctional. Are we really one nation? We are divided into blue states and red states. People in the blue states want the government to provide social services such as medical care and sewers.. Some of the red states are so against government that they don't want it to provide such basic services as medical care and sewers.
In blue states people want the government to stay out of our private lives. What the people in the red states want is the government to be deeply involved in the private lives of its citizens. For example many of these states want creationism and the bible taught in public schools. They want to define marriage as between a man and a woman. They want to deny women control over their bodies.
In blue states people want the government to stay out of our private lives. What the people in the red states want is the government to be deeply involved in the private lives of its citizens. For example many of these states want creationism and the bible taught in public schools. They want to define marriage as between a man and a woman. They want to deny women control over their bodies.
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I'm increasingly convinced that Donald Trump is a sociopath. His brain must be a very lonely place to be. When a person's behaviour, words and gestures are anti-social, onlookers become increasingly alarmed and defensive because there is no way to predict what a sociopath will do next. The sociopath short-circuits the normal channels of interpersonal communication. There's a little moment every time Trump opens his mouth when I think, is he going to say something normal or something crazy? Eventually crazy fatigue sets in, and I'm left with everyone else shaking my head. The sociopath holds the listener captive, and the feeling of leaving their presence is always one of relief. Trump doesn't care or maybe even know how his behaviour affects others. It would probably be too painful for him to contemplate. So we're not really watching presidential debates. We're watching people react and adapt to symptoms of another person's mental illness. I actually pity him, which is weird, and not how I like to feel about a potential leader of a nation. Hopefully many others feel as I do and will act accordingly.
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Despicable and Deporable!
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It's too bad the debates are finally over. I kind of enjoyed watching the moments when Trump would "lose it". Last night it was when Hillary said he was Putin's puppet. It was so rich. He sputtered and said, "No, you're a puppet." What a quick wit he has!
Does he really think enough people like him that the only way he could lose is through fraud? Again, what a wit he has!
Does he really think enough people like him that the only way he could lose is through fraud? Again, what a wit he has!
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Looked at objectively, in view of the antI TRUMP BIAS IN THE MEDIA, number of "OBJECTIVE" journos who have been caught moonlighting for Hillary,Obama's 300 meetings with the "agent provocateur"Bob CREAMER at the WH, why should DT accept the results of the election in advance.?Ms. Collins's bias is showing, At one time she was very funny.But she has lost her edge, which for a humorist can be fatal.Main casualty of her pro Hillary position is her writing.
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Wrong on so many le else I won't bother to list
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Trump’s peace through strength sounds better than Clinton’s escalating of conflict throughout the world.
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You must have missed the point where Trump said, "What is the point of having nuclear weapons if you don't use them?". But then, Trump supporters have chosen to simply ignore just about every stupid thing he has said.
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I tip my hat to the GOP: congratulations on your bumper crop of failed leadership. You’ve been planting the seeds for this debacle since at least the Nixon years. Your party is out of touch with reality and your “leaders” are out of touch with common sense. You are blinded by the torch of “conservatism,” which you light up again every time you experience political failure. You dedicated yourselves to nearly eight years now of opposing everything President Obama has proposed. You can’t even get it together for a hearing on a nominee for the Supreme Court of the United States. You’re the kind of people who drop a dead mule in the well just to poison the water supply for everyone else. You don’t deserve to be called “Americans.” Away with all of you.
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Neither Trump's advisors nor his daughter nor his running mate, nor his party can rein him in - a stellar resume for a dictator but a big no-no for the leader of a democracy.
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"She should never have been allowed to run." Allowed - by whom? By democracy and a lengthy primary battle. This dreadful man wants one thing: to be dictator with the power to suspend our laws and traditions at his whim. HE should never have been enabled to run; once again, the GOP has failed the America they pretend to love.
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The rise of Trump is a clear sign that we have become a third-world country. Welcome to globalization.
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He doesn't accept that climate change is real.
He doesn't accept a woman's right to chose.
He doesn' t accept that President Obama was born in the US.
He doesn't accept that that the Russians are hacking DNC emails.
Now he won't accept the election results.
Donald Trump doesn't accept reality or democracy.
On November 8th Donald Trump will learn that the United States will not accept him as their President.
He doesn't accept a woman's right to chose.
He doesn' t accept that President Obama was born in the US.
He doesn't accept that that the Russians are hacking DNC emails.
Now he won't accept the election results.
Donald Trump doesn't accept reality or democracy.
On November 8th Donald Trump will learn that the United States will not accept him as their President.
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As a professional and an evaluator, I saw only one candidate remain professional to the end of last night's presidential debate!
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Thinks Mr. Trump: "I am the most magnificent man in the world. Surely everyone will see that and vote for me. If they don't, I know for certain that the process is rigged!" Such ego, such narcissism is often seen in the caesars and dictators of the past, but is rarely on such stark display in modern times. That is how much of a danger President Trump would be.
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Trump's campaign has been startlingly inept and maybe that is because winning the election was not mission-critical. Growing the brand and then monetizing it was the point all along, it would appear, and setting himself up as the shadow president might be the monetization scheme. Since basically leaving the real estate development world after losing his shirt in Atlantic City, Donald's balance sheet is filled with "goodwill," or the value of his brand. He uses steaks, and ties, and real estate courses, etc. to turn that brand into cash. As shadow president, one who insists the election was stolen from him, Trump could spend years milking money from his voters with t-shirts, hats, paid rallies, TV gigs and anything else he could dream up. In DT's world, the greatest founding father is Sarah Palin, who quit the governorship of Alaska and turned her political celebrity into cash money.
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Excellent analysis and insightful vision of the "candidate" 's post-election plan...
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This entire article is a distraction from the issues at hand and we are all worse off for it. Candidates should be discussing real issues and making sensible compromises that appeal to moderate voters. Instead, what we are getting is a showmanship election that has so far deftly avoided any real discussions about the economy, trade, foreign policy, or entitlement reform. Four more years of political gridlock and partisan divide lay in front of us.
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At least 2 of us understand.
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I wasn't going to get sucked into this claim by the Trumpians that Al Gore did not accept the 2000 presidential election results, but a quick review of the Florida recount in Wikipedia reveals that:
Gore initially conceded but then retracted his concession when he found out how close the Florida results were, Bush by 1784 votes. The reason for this was, to quote Wickipedia, "The small margin produced an automatic recount under Florida state law.", i.e. there was going to be a recount so a concession was premature.
The recount started and Bush's lead kept getting smaller. This resulted in the RNC making a frantic appeal to the the Florida Supreme court, then when their ruling went against Bush, the RNC went to the Supreme Court to effectively stop the recount. The court majority consisting of so called "originalists" , voted as a block to stop the recount giving the election to Bush by some 570 votes out of the millions cast in Florida. They also said that the basis of their ruling could not be used again, and BTW Gore won the popular vote by considerable margins. I know that these facts will have no effect on the Trumpians who automatically deny anthing that challenges their parallel universe, but at least the folks who have not drunk the Trump Koolaid might be interested.
Gore initially conceded but then retracted his concession when he found out how close the Florida results were, Bush by 1784 votes. The reason for this was, to quote Wickipedia, "The small margin produced an automatic recount under Florida state law.", i.e. there was going to be a recount so a concession was premature.
The recount started and Bush's lead kept getting smaller. This resulted in the RNC making a frantic appeal to the the Florida Supreme court, then when their ruling went against Bush, the RNC went to the Supreme Court to effectively stop the recount. The court majority consisting of so called "originalists" , voted as a block to stop the recount giving the election to Bush by some 570 votes out of the millions cast in Florida. They also said that the basis of their ruling could not be used again, and BTW Gore won the popular vote by considerable margins. I know that these facts will have no effect on the Trumpians who automatically deny anthing that challenges their parallel universe, but at least the folks who have not drunk the Trump Koolaid might be interested.
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As someone who has quite literally stuffed a ballot box, I am more than surprised at Trump's bizarre, factually false claims.
The ballot box I helped stuff was a drop-off for absentee ballots near the Lawrence Expressway in Cupertino, CA placed to accommodate those who had not yet mailed them in. Unfortunately, by the time I got there, the box was pretty full, and mail-in ballots were lying around on the ground and sticking out of the slot. Another man and I started collecting ballots as people arrived to drop them off, and reorganized the ballots inside the box to make room for the extras. We also contacted the election officials to let them know we needed another box, and maybe someone to help make sure the ballots were taken care of properly. During the hour or so the two of us were stuffing the overfilled box, it became very obvious that we were on opposite political sides. This was good for a mutual amused laugh.
My voting experience suggests that polling places are staffed with people far more interested in making democracy work than in attempting to bias elections. My own reaction and that of my political opposite, and fellow citizen was likely far closer to the norm than the current paranoia suggests.
Election rigging today is from Republican gerrymandering and explicit measures to make it harder for poor people to vote (allegedly to reduce near non-existent impersonations fraud). This fraudulently costs hundreds of thousands their right to vote.
The ballot box I helped stuff was a drop-off for absentee ballots near the Lawrence Expressway in Cupertino, CA placed to accommodate those who had not yet mailed them in. Unfortunately, by the time I got there, the box was pretty full, and mail-in ballots were lying around on the ground and sticking out of the slot. Another man and I started collecting ballots as people arrived to drop them off, and reorganized the ballots inside the box to make room for the extras. We also contacted the election officials to let them know we needed another box, and maybe someone to help make sure the ballots were taken care of properly. During the hour or so the two of us were stuffing the overfilled box, it became very obvious that we were on opposite political sides. This was good for a mutual amused laugh.
My voting experience suggests that polling places are staffed with people far more interested in making democracy work than in attempting to bias elections. My own reaction and that of my political opposite, and fellow citizen was likely far closer to the norm than the current paranoia suggests.
Election rigging today is from Republican gerrymandering and explicit measures to make it harder for poor people to vote (allegedly to reduce near non-existent impersonations fraud). This fraudulently costs hundreds of thousands their right to vote.
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How do you reconcile John Podesta's comment that illegals with driver's lincenses should vote? That is fraudulently costing hundreds of thousands U. S. Citizens their vote.
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An non-citizen in California can get a driver's license--clearly marked as being a non-citizen. Very few people who are non-citizens could register to vote, or would take the risk of high-priority deportation to do so. Undocumented residents are very careful to not do things to earn them a priority deportation.
You must be registered to vote--with an address--to appear on the voting roles in CA.
Given the above, I rather suspect that the Russian supplied alleged email from him actually does not make this suggestion if viewed in context, or is a GRU (KGB successor) forgery. Why do you believe Putin, who's buddies have loaned Trump many hundreds of millions of dollars, might wish to preserve their chances of getting their money back? Would Putin lie? He has declared the US to be his enemy. Is there anything in Putin's past that suggests he has forgotten his KGB disinformation training?
You must be registered to vote--with an address--to appear on the voting roles in CA.
Given the above, I rather suspect that the Russian supplied alleged email from him actually does not make this suggestion if viewed in context, or is a GRU (KGB successor) forgery. Why do you believe Putin, who's buddies have loaned Trump many hundreds of millions of dollars, might wish to preserve their chances of getting their money back? Would Putin lie? He has declared the US to be his enemy. Is there anything in Putin's past that suggests he has forgotten his KGB disinformation training?
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I just realized something that is more than a little unsettling to me: in the unlikely event that Donald Trump was to win the election, I'm not sure that I would accept the results. I'm not sure what I could do about it, but I would feel as though I had to do something.
As a liberal Democrat, Progressive — whatever — I normally respect and support long-standing democratic principles. But I find Mr. Trump truly scary and absolutely, unequivocally unfit to be President of the United States. As Tim Paine said, he represents an existential threat to the country. And, I believe he does.
As a liberal Democrat, Progressive — whatever — I normally respect and support long-standing democratic principles. But I find Mr. Trump truly scary and absolutely, unequivocally unfit to be President of the United States. As Tim Paine said, he represents an existential threat to the country. And, I believe he does.
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Perhaps it's time to stop covering Trump events; he feeds off the press and the uses the free publicity to trump up his charges that the election is rigged. He has vilified the media, so it would be interesting to see how he would react if there were no reporters or cameras following him around. The media could publish Trump's schedule, and let readers know where he will be appearing. I know I'm tired of reading about his latest rants. He has had nothing new to say for months, so perhaps it's time to put the spotlight on other candidates in the race -- no matter how obscure -- who aren't going to win, but who are willing to accept the outcome of the election. It would make for refreshing read, and give readers a break from the d(r)umbeat of Trump's infantile rhetoric.
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Is he now simply daring the remainder of the Republican party to give him the finger and walk away? He doubled down on his debate performance squatting over our democratic republic and emptying his colon on our Constitutional system of government by today declaring he will accept the result "if he wins."
Well, when are Republicans going to stop whining and put our country ahead of their petty partisan desires?
Well, when are Republicans going to stop whining and put our country ahead of their petty partisan desires?
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When will the democrats?
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From day one Trump was a joke. He remains so till the end, just more so as a joke.
Glad the joke will be over soon.
Trump will never grow up.
Glad the joke will be over soon.
Trump will never grow up.
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God help our country if he wins! ! !
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What he is actually saying with his refusal to commit to accepting the will of the people, is that he doesn't care a whit about anyone who doesn't support him. His is NOT going to be the President of all Americans, just for those who voted for him. That alone disqualifies him for the job.
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“I should have gotten it,” Trump retorted.
This election he thinks is all about him.
Are Republicans really of by an for Trump?
How 'bout some democratic spirit on the Republican side.
This election he thinks is all about him.
Are Republicans really of by an for Trump?
How 'bout some democratic spirit on the Republican side.
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Is it me, or did Mr. Trump have a different hue last night? His skin seemed less orange, and his hair less yellow.
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All I kept thinking of was that Trump's former GOP contenders who were so roundly disdained and mocked by him were cackling privately as Hillary did him in...
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The measurement for this whole fiasco has been a very low bar and donnie boy still seems to think he's supposed to do the Limbo dance instead of the high jump - it's supposed to be "go higher", Donnie, not "go lower now, how low can you go". Now, who remembers what the Limbo dance is?
I'll get me coat...this has been too much fun.
I'll get me coat...this has been too much fun.
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Hmmm the NY Times is all in a dither because Trump refused to say he had already lost the election. Wonder WHY they weren't all that upset after 14 recounts of Florida in the 2000 race, that Al Gore, JUNIOR had to be persuaded to finally concede the election?
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No offense. But you're having trouble with your memory.
Gore didn't have to be "persuaded" to concede -- unlike Donald Trump, who is willing to bring the whole country down with him if he doesn't win.
Think not??? --- Google it.
Gore didn't have to be "persuaded" to concede -- unlike Donald Trump, who is willing to bring the whole country down with him if he doesn't win.
Think not??? --- Google it.
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Jerry, you should look up some actual facts before posting your comment. Al Gore waited until the state of Florida conducted it's own automatic recount since the initial ally differed by so little. Then when the numbers started looking like Gore would win the actual count the GOP sued to stop the recount. It took the very conservative Supreme Court to give Bush the presidency. BTW, Gore won the popular vote but he conceded with grace after the Supreme Court decision.
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Nice re-write of history, Jerry. Twice over.
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Trump must have heard that his answer was terrible.
Now he is promising that he will accept the results, IF HE WINS.
Donnie, the question was, WIN OR LOSE, do you accept the results?
You STILL have not answered the question. And you are still a fool and a "clear and present danger to our country" as the Cincinnati Enquirer endorsement of Hillary Clinton stated about YOU.
Now he is promising that he will accept the results, IF HE WINS.
Donnie, the question was, WIN OR LOSE, do you accept the results?
You STILL have not answered the question. And you are still a fool and a "clear and present danger to our country" as the Cincinnati Enquirer endorsement of Hillary Clinton stated about YOU.
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Donald Trump may disguise a tremendous fear: to witness his own political funeral, accompanied only by Julyan Osferatu and a group of wailers from Alaska.
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Nyuk, Nyuk, Nyuk -- all the Trumpers here think it is so clever to bring up Al Gore's 2000 challenges.
Al Gore challenged the Florida vote legally, within the system, and when he lost, he lost.
The only reason anyone is talking about this issue and Trump is his incitement to rebellion. Trump's "we'll see" isn't about legal process.
Al Gore challenged the Florida vote legally, within the system, and when he lost, he lost.
The only reason anyone is talking about this issue and Trump is his incitement to rebellion. Trump's "we'll see" isn't about legal process.
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All citizens should be horrified at that answer, all conservatives, all liberals,,, all citizens.
There is nothing more basic , nothing more sacred, to the Constitution or any form of elected government than the vote.
The results of not respecting the vote is chaos, anarchy, bloody revolution,,, treason.
There is nothing more basic , nothing more sacred, to the Constitution or any form of elected government than the vote.
The results of not respecting the vote is chaos, anarchy, bloody revolution,,, treason.
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It will be just in time for Halloween. How apropos, since I was unaware that our Constitution was brought down from a mountaintop, carved in stone by the hand of God, as you describe it.
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What about Al Gore? Didn't he fight after he thought he had won in 2000? If it is close why should either side take a review off the table?
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States launch recounts, not candidates. Florida launched an automatic recount due to the margin, and Gore approved after it was launched. Florida then brought it to the supreme court when there was questions over how to judge certain ballot counting measures, but Al Gore, putting democracy first, then dropped the challenge as is his right as a candidate. Candidates have never challenged the result of an election.
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why do people keep repeating this apples vs oranges? Gore didn't challenge the election before the election night, and he didn't run around for months screaming that the media is rigged, the campaigns are rigged, the elections are rigged, the politics are rigged, and whatever else Trump keeps screaming about as rigged! Additionally, Gore won the popular vote by over 500,000 votes, and only when the Supreme Court ordered FL to stop the recount (and throw out over 170,000 ballots) did they declare Bush the winner. So the two situations are not even close.
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Alice - Repetition is all the right wing lemmings have to offer, they don't actually read or comprehend any real news and certainly not any history.
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Why do we care if this megalomaniac doesn't accept the results? Is government going to shut down because poor Donny doesn't think he should have lost the election that he was never qualified to win? I would say that he made that calculated statement simply to draw attention away from his misogynistic remarks about women. Donald - You Are Fired! Time to grow up and go away!
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How to read the news, 101: He's just grandstanding to 1) divert attention from other criticisms of his campaign and 2) to keep his base psyched up by feeding them red meat every day or so. Also, there'll be nothing to contest because a Clinton landslide is coming. Case closed.
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Wishful thinking, and yes, I agree it's a diversion tactic -- But at the same time, I think it best not to be too complacent about the depths Trump will sink to, in order to win.
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(Among other reasons), vote for Trump if:
1) You swell with pride at the thought of the confederate flag.
2) You chortle when your friends make fun of the disabled.
3) You're bored with garden variety narcissism and long for weapons-grade sociopathy.
1) You swell with pride at the thought of the confederate flag.
2) You chortle when your friends make fun of the disabled.
3) You're bored with garden variety narcissism and long for weapons-grade sociopathy.
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I was reading some amateur punditry this morning online, and practically choked on my bran muffin when I read the words “if Trump doesn't run again in 2020”.
OMG.
OMG.
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Well, uh, jeepers you scare easily, Gail. Trump was not talking about losing a "fair fight," but a fight that may have been unfair due to cheating from the other side. So that's the question isn't it, cheating? I'm getting my ballot pretty soon in the mail. I'll mark it "Trump, yeah baby!" and send it back. I don't want my ballot canceled-out by a Dead Person Voting.
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It would be pretty funny if your ballot was tossed for extraneous markings, but go for it.
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Will Mr Trump accept the result if he wins? Hope not.
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So Gore not accepting the election was noble, despite the fact that every recount by everyone including the NYT proved he lost, but Trump's taunt of maybe not refusing the results before the results are even in is "scary."
Gee, what a shock that hypocritical faux fear is in everything a liberal pens.
Gee, what a shock that hypocritical faux fear is in everything a liberal pens.
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Dear Constance - Gore won the popular vote by over 500,000 votes and the Supreme Court stopped the FL recount, ordered by the FL Supreme Court (which had to throw out 170,000 ballots), and it was only because of this that Bush was declared a winner. In fact, you point that "every recount...proved he lost" is simply not true, the count of the ballots thrown out actually showed Gore as the likely winner of the FL electoral votes, and thus the presidency. Additionally, the Supreme Court in an unprecedented move, wrote the opinion to apply only to the 2000 election, so Trump will have to find another path to his challenge. This is not ancient history, so look up some facts before screaming the usual "this is all liberal propaganda".
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While Trump's refusal to say he'd accept the vote, playing us as if "stay tuned for the final episode of my reality show of trying to be president", the bigger threat to our democracy is the cowardice of Republican "leaders" who know better, but won't say so. When otherwise presumably "wise" and "rational" leaders of one of our two major parties refuse to stand up for what they know (yes, they know!) is right, our Republic is indeed in trouble.
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that's the worst part - most people blame Trump or are wondering how his supporters can believe his nonsense, but the GOP leaders created this monster over a decade ago with the Tea Party movement (and their fierce leader Cruz), and now they all feign shock at Trump's crudeness and the trail of disaster he's leaving in his wake. GOP, you own him and you own any fallout that happens after this election.
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Even suggesting that he won't accept the results for the election disqualifies
Trump as a Presidential candidate. Bigly, believe me!
Trump as a Presidential candidate. Bigly, believe me!
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Mr. Trump's comments on a "rigged" election may seem unhinged, but the greater risk may be to politicians who remain silent on this issue. After all, a rigged election can cut both ways: it may unfairly deny someone elected office, but it may also allow someone to take office who has not actually won the election. If you buy into the notion that this election will be rigged, then I think you may also have to accept as possible that there may be a lot of politicians currently in office who shouldn't be.
Frankly, this whole issue of fraudulent voting astonishes me as there is vanishingly little evidence of actual voter fraud. To be clear, the maintenance of voter roles, as well as nationally more consistent voter registration and voting procedures would be a good idea. On the other hand, complaints about media bias - which is first amendment free speech - does not constitute voter fraud. Voters are free to listen to any news source they choose and hearing something they disagree with does not necessarily make it unfair, anymore than listening to something they happen to agree with necessarily makes it accurate or fair.
Frankly, this whole issue of fraudulent voting astonishes me as there is vanishingly little evidence of actual voter fraud. To be clear, the maintenance of voter roles, as well as nationally more consistent voter registration and voting procedures would be a good idea. On the other hand, complaints about media bias - which is first amendment free speech - does not constitute voter fraud. Voters are free to listen to any news source they choose and hearing something they disagree with does not necessarily make it unfair, anymore than listening to something they happen to agree with necessarily makes it accurate or fair.
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What can you say about a candidate like Donald Trump, who has demonstrated time and again that a presidential candidate knows no limits when it comes to exploring ever new intellectual lows? Yes, it's sometimes entertaining, very often offensive, but most of all it's troubling to see such an individual vying for the highest office in the land. But what makes lots of people around the world feel very apprehensive about Trump is the fact that there are millions and millions of people that support such a poor excuse for a candidate. What can you say about them? Are there really that many people in the US with such poor political judgment and taste and willing to entrust him with nuclear codes? Let's hope Election Day answers that question in the negative. Clinton may not be the best candidate ever to run for the highest office. but she's the best you've got right now and beyond the shadow of a doubt she's light years ahead of Trump politically and intellectually.
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Do we honestly need to prepare ourselves in case the gun-toting buffoons actually start rioting? We got the numbers, but they got the guns. And the police unions' supporting the Orange Thing scares me even more. What do we do? Cut off their oil supply so they can't run us over with their pickup trucks and four-foot tires?
I'm serious. It's like a whole new Confederacy only without the clear geographical divisions.
I'm serious. It's like a whole new Confederacy only without the clear geographical divisions.
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My hope is that most of these gun toting, Trump lovin' folk are too lazy to organize anything damaging...it's quite sad because the economic inequalities and unfairness in the US economy is very real, but they got sucked in by the Orange One and it was easier to latch on to "hate everyone who's not exactly like me" and "it's everyone else's fault" than to spend some brain power thinking what demands we can put on public policy officials to make better economic policy...so hopefully these folks will just stay home in their echo chambers and sulk...
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I can't get the image out of my mind of Donald Trump in years to come as Miss Havisham, sitting in his crumbling Trump Tower, going rantingly insane rather that accepting that the bridegroom abandoned him at the altar.
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It's all over except for the shouting. Trump has lost. His bizarre behavior is a backhanded acknowledgment of that. The refusal to accept as a matter of principle the outcome of the election is part of a looney strategy to burnish his post-election brand as the aggrieved hero. I say looney because Trump is running as the candidate of the Republican Party and Republican office-holders are organizing the elections in at least half of the states - probably more. Are we to believe that they are going to permit, or worse yet, are actively organizing a "rigged election"? Anybody who believes that is a bona fide member of the Flat Earth Society. No - this is probably the closest we are going to get to a concession speech by Donald Trump. If Adolf Hitler built a political career based on a "heroic struggle" against the "stab in the back" - Donald Trump is preparing something similar only there is undoubtedly a money-making twist to it. Mr Trump will probably ally himself with the ousted Roger Ailes in assembling a new alt right media empire. Let me guess. They have already secured the call letters - WKKK - and it will be headquartered in Biloxi, MS. David Duke will have a weekly call-in show. I cannot predict the future of the Democratic Party but at this point the GOP has actively passed into the dustbin of history.
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In the end it was like a prize fight with a beaming Hillary lingering in the ring with her supporters and handlers, basking in her victory. Beating a hasty retreat to his limo, and with only his daughter, wife and running mate in evidence, Trump reminded me of a frustrated and defeated Roberto Duran crying "no mas, no mas".
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Hopefully, The Donald will soon hear the verdict of the voting public, "You're fired!" Of course, he'll be the sore "loser" he's always been. The sad question is: Will his followers say as he has, "The election is rigged." Only the very founder of the Republican Party ever experienced that rejection and it resulted in the Civil War. it will be the sad legacy if we have to suffer further Trump trauma that once again seeks to shred the very fabric of our civil society. It most certainly will be the death knell of the Republican Party if they continue to sit idly by tacitly condoning the destructive actions of their standard bearer.
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According to Mr. Trump, Senator Clinton has been completely incompetent as a politician with everything she does turning in to a "disaster". At the same time, despite this incompetence, we are to believe she is capable of rigging an election and coordinating an attack where 9 women from Trump's past come forward with harassment stories. All this while running a presidential campaign.
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Trump just isn't used to uppity women... it throws him all off.
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Well, if you read the wiki leaks and watched the Project Veritas James O'Keefe undercover videos, fraud is worse than even I thought. It's pretty bad, and the DNC operatives are admitting it in the emails and on video.
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It doesn't get much more one-sided than those sources --Why not come up with something a bit more reputable?
And no, that doesn't mean FOX or Breitbart news.
And no, that doesn't mean FOX or Breitbart news.
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Yeah, and those Planned Parenthood videos were the gospel truth too.
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From this day on, little children will point to him on the street and say, “He lost to a woman.” It’s almost enough to make you want to sympathize with the man.
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Most people aren't that invested in the need to beat women. To the extent that anybody is, they need to get over it. I look for the day when "a girl beat him" is no longer a taunt.
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Thanks Gail - You should realize that Trump learned from Senator McConnell - ignore the conventions of the democracy and Constitution. If the President nominates a person for a Supreme Court vacancy, as the leader of the Senate you can ignore it because it is what you can do at the moment. So, if your opponent wins an election, you can ignore it because it is what you can do at that moment. It's a lesson in the consistency of self-interest over democracy, taught by Trump's endorser-in-chief.
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Who is transcribing his words, and how did they conclude he's saying "big league"? I know his team says he is, but it really doesn't fit. He's clearly saying "bigly."
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What an immeasurably selfish, bitter old sociopath.
He would undermine democracy to protect his own ego.
He would undermine democracy to protect his own ego.
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totally agree. it is all about him
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Agree .... and who is he to think he can change the rules
On how our election process works??
Beyond Outrageous!! I'm at the point now where I don't want to see his orange face in print or online ..
I turn off the radio when his ranting starts ...
On how our election process works??
Beyond Outrageous!! I'm at the point now where I don't want to see his orange face in print or online ..
I turn off the radio when his ranting starts ...
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People believe Trump. There is something in the telling that implies he's an insider who knows about rigging things, like his taxes, getting casinos built, taking advantage of real estate zoning laws, cutting corners to import Chinese steel, influencing local government to allow him to do what he wants without consideration of *gasp* planning boards, you know, gets things done. What a picture. Slamming through neighborhoods cutting red tape to build golf courses or a marina or a casino. Big whoop.
But his language is not original, either. I don't know anyone so comfortable with crude terms as Donald Trump. His language doesn't come out of thin air, he's heard it as reference to his own person his whole life, so we witness the parroting of the kind of terminology on The Sopranos or some cheap gangster movie.
So when he says he'll keep you in suspense, just look in the mirror and think what that would mean when your president has your life in his hands. You'd never hire someone like that, and you'd never work with someone like that, and you'd never be able to get hired onto the job if you talked like that. Why do you think a candidate's loyalty of due process is exempt while he dodges on his taxes as well as his military service?
Donald Trump parrots the words he's heard his whole life describing his own actions, loser, nasty, corrupt and rigged.
But his language is not original, either. I don't know anyone so comfortable with crude terms as Donald Trump. His language doesn't come out of thin air, he's heard it as reference to his own person his whole life, so we witness the parroting of the kind of terminology on The Sopranos or some cheap gangster movie.
So when he says he'll keep you in suspense, just look in the mirror and think what that would mean when your president has your life in his hands. You'd never hire someone like that, and you'd never work with someone like that, and you'd never be able to get hired onto the job if you talked like that. Why do you think a candidate's loyalty of due process is exempt while he dodges on his taxes as well as his military service?
Donald Trump parrots the words he's heard his whole life describing his own actions, loser, nasty, corrupt and rigged.
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Obama said similar things in past elections. Bizarro liberal press applauded wildly.
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Obama never said anything like this in past elections. Quote him if you can.
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Sadly people still think that McConnell, McCain and Ryan are "leaders" of anything other than their own bandwagons.
This week McCain was on Michael Smerconish's radio show and he stated that the Republicans will not approve ANYONE that Hillary Clinton nominates for the Supreme Court. There it is -- the statement of a "leader" in the GOP -- the same destructive obstructionism that has been their MO for years. Oh, yes, he promised "more gridlock" too. After the interview the woman who is the person assigned to come along with the broom to clean up the manure that McCain had just dropped, attempted to spin his comments as meaning "he'd look at the credentials of anyone nominated before making a decision." LOL Sorry, madam but there is a saying "you can't shine manure" even if you are trying to do it for a senator.
This week McCain was on Michael Smerconish's radio show and he stated that the Republicans will not approve ANYONE that Hillary Clinton nominates for the Supreme Court. There it is -- the statement of a "leader" in the GOP -- the same destructive obstructionism that has been their MO for years. Oh, yes, he promised "more gridlock" too. After the interview the woman who is the person assigned to come along with the broom to clean up the manure that McCain had just dropped, attempted to spin his comments as meaning "he'd look at the credentials of anyone nominated before making a decision." LOL Sorry, madam but there is a saying "you can't shine manure" even if you are trying to do it for a senator.
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McCain has out LASTED his usefulness representing the Az and other American people ... He, like all good race horses, needs to be put to pasture ...
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We have had many presidents who have been disgusting husbands, Bill Clinton among them. Was he representative of Women's respect?
Trump's comments or behavior which is for a court of law and for his wife to wrestle with as Hillary had to - not America. It did not belong at the debate. Hillary strategically deflected her role in supporting her own husband's behavior.
America should vote on POLICY ONLY because both these candidates have proven to be vile personalities.
Trump's comments or behavior which is for a court of law and for his wife to wrestle with as Hillary had to - not America. It did not belong at the debate. Hillary strategically deflected her role in supporting her own husband's behavior.
America should vote on POLICY ONLY because both these candidates have proven to be vile personalities.
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When we wake up on November 9 this nightmare will be over. Unless, of course, Trump wins. Will I accept the results if Trump wins? I'll get back to you on that.
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Best answer to "it's rigged": have Hilary win by an indisputable landslide.
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Al Gore didn't accept the results of the 2000 election and the Republic didn't fall. Relax people.
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What is it about Bush v. Gore that you don't get? It was not Gore v. Bush
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Gore actually won the popular vote in 2000. The fact that a recount was necessary in the state where his opponent's brother was Governor looked very suspicious. The fact that the SC heard the case, knowing full well that stopping the recount would elect a President, was very worrisome. Republicans told Democrats to "get over it" But Gore DID NOT say BEFORE the election that he wouldn't accept the results. Completely different!
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This is a pick? It's not even an appropriate analogy. Gore only contested the vote count in one state and it was AFTER the election. Asking for a recount is not an accusation of rigging. The Times editors should know better.
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One is reminded of the extraordinary grace shown by Sen. John McCain conceding to Barrack Obama in 2008:
"Tonight — tonight, more than any night, I hold in my heart nothing but love for this country and for all its citizens, whether they supported me or Sen. Obama, I wish Godspeed to the man who was my former opponent and will be my president."
THIS is a proper context of the outcome of the good fight, vs. questioning a "rigged system" and refusal to acknowledge reality, as the current case appears.
"Tonight — tonight, more than any night, I hold in my heart nothing but love for this country and for all its citizens, whether they supported me or Sen. Obama, I wish Godspeed to the man who was my former opponent and will be my president."
THIS is a proper context of the outcome of the good fight, vs. questioning a "rigged system" and refusal to acknowledge reality, as the current case appears.
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Fast forward eight years, senator McCain is quoted;
"I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,"
This is not a noble man and why isn't the media all over this? If there is shame to be attributed, it is with the American people for not holding the news agencies accountable.
"I promise you that we will be united against any Supreme Court nominee that Hillary Clinton, if she were president, would put up,"
This is not a noble man and why isn't the media all over this? If there is shame to be attributed, it is with the American people for not holding the news agencies accountable.
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Despite what the current Republican candidate has said about Sen. John McCain being a "loser", because his plane was shot down while fighting for his country, and then suffered years of severe pain due to his injuries, the severe torture he was victim to, especially due to his father's high position in the Navy, he is the embodiment of a true hero and a true "winner", as "winner" seems to be the only concept Mr. Trump understands. Sen McCain embodies what this country used to stand for: he is a decent man who continues to serve his nation. He embodies dignity, and has always had my respect, even though we are affiliated with different political parties, which is exactly the way it should be, putting the needs of the country you serve ahead of the needs of your ego.
McCain then went on to become a bitter old man who began damaging the country every chance he got.
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"O.K., Donald Trump won’t promise to accept the results of the election… 'I will tell you at the time… I’ll keep you in suspense.'"
Yes, indeed. But could there be another method behind his odious madness?
At the risk of sounding like one of his ludicrously conspiratorial followers, I believe DJT has *already* accepted the most likely results of the election: he loses. For months, credible news reports have claimed Trump's real interest lies in promoting his "brand," perhaps even creating his own cable TV channel. Maureen Dowd--who appears to know the man quite well--claimed as much in these pages months ago. What better way to gain several more weeks of free publicity than by cynically manipulating the news media--addicted to the ratings and Web page clicks he guarantees--with another ridiculous claim of conspiracies only he can see?
If true, this seems like a rather masterful strategy to me...
Yes, indeed. But could there be another method behind his odious madness?
At the risk of sounding like one of his ludicrously conspiratorial followers, I believe DJT has *already* accepted the most likely results of the election: he loses. For months, credible news reports have claimed Trump's real interest lies in promoting his "brand," perhaps even creating his own cable TV channel. Maureen Dowd--who appears to know the man quite well--claimed as much in these pages months ago. What better way to gain several more weeks of free publicity than by cynically manipulating the news media--addicted to the ratings and Web page clicks he guarantees--with another ridiculous claim of conspiracies only he can see?
If true, this seems like a rather masterful strategy to me...
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If Democratic party were behind rigging elections, you'd think democrats would control at least one house of Congress. Trump still has time to make the case that as President he will make voter fraud great again.
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C'mon. What do you think he'll do - raise an army? Stage a Beer Hall Putsch?
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In his wildest dreams, yes. Last night Donald Trump clearly aligned himself with anti-democratic forces such as Vladimir Putin's Russia, and even praised the ISIS fanatics as "smarter" than America's military and intelligence agencies.
The good news is that Donald Trump is history -- he ran as a pop culture shock jock, and wore out his welcome. But while he personally now is firmly tossed into the trash heap of history, the twisted, grotesque racist and anti-democratic impulses that he elevated to the national stage will be with us for a little bit longer.
The good news is that Donald Trump is history -- he ran as a pop culture shock jock, and wore out his welcome. But while he personally now is firmly tossed into the trash heap of history, the twisted, grotesque racist and anti-democratic impulses that he elevated to the national stage will be with us for a little bit longer.
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It's been done.
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So you now ageee that Al Gore was wrong to try to steal the 2000 election?
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Asking for a recount in a close election is not stealing or attempting to delegitimize the election.
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What does it matter what anyone but the Secretary of State has to say about ratifying the results of an election?
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Last night, Trump reminded me of the heavy, out of shape Sergeant Garcia trying to out duel Zorro in a fencing contest. Trump did OK for awhile, but then she slashed an "H" across his cummerbund, laughed heartily and then rode off into the night.
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I'm sorry Gail that this election hasn't given you some comedic material. We are all sorry. I so looked forward to Romney's dog or McCain's sowed oats. Now nothing, absolutely nothing to make us smile.
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Reading through the comments I continue to be amazed that folks think we'll go on. I hope you all are right. I live in Trump land and his very ardent and scary supporters are armed and fed on a steady diet of Faux News. I have to wonder whether these folks will go quietly?
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I do not envy you in 'Trump land'. And unfortunately, they may not go quietly, but at least they won't be represented by the highest office in the land.
And if only because of that -- yes, we'll go on.
And if only because of that -- yes, we'll go on.
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In the first 2 debates, Trump dug his own grave. The famous Hollywood Access tape put him in the coffin. In last night's debate, he nailed himself in the coffin. On November 8, the voters will bury him.
Please, republicans, come up with a more rational process for selecting a nominee! Seventeen potential candidates!? Including the likes of Huckabee, Santorum, Carson, Cruz, Jindal, Paul, Perry???? We need a rational 2nd party.
ANY rational republican could have defeated Clinton with all the baggage she's carrying. But you had to go the Goldwater route again and set back your party for 4 or maybe 8 more years. And the Supreme Court for much longer.
Personally, I love the result, but truly want a competitive 2nd party.
Please, republicans, come up with a more rational process for selecting a nominee! Seventeen potential candidates!? Including the likes of Huckabee, Santorum, Carson, Cruz, Jindal, Paul, Perry???? We need a rational 2nd party.
ANY rational republican could have defeated Clinton with all the baggage she's carrying. But you had to go the Goldwater route again and set back your party for 4 or maybe 8 more years. And the Supreme Court for much longer.
Personally, I love the result, but truly want a competitive 2nd party.
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I'm wondering Gail if Donald has bad eyesight but is too vain to wear glasses that might make him look older and that's why he squints all the time....? No one has asked him just what actions he would take or instruct his fans to take if he loses....I fear for us all.
What a joke...all the left can do is create fake issues. If you were a real journalist, you would go to why he is saying that the elections are rigged. First, the media is pushing Clinton. That is why he is saying the elections are rigged. Everything from the lighting on stage last night, to Trumps mike going out in the first debate to every picture on Yahoo where Clinton looks great and Trump looks like a demon...for those slow to understand, this is what he is talking about. Second, as we know from Wikileaks, Democraps have always committed voter fraud and are expert at it. Everyone knows this and it most certainly tipped the election in 1960. I know this might be hard for people to process because most of you can barely think beyond your immediate feelings, but this is a fact. Third, this works to Trumps benefit because so few people believe the media and most people believe that elections are rigged.
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Two words for you, Gail & NYT readers: Al Gore.
After everything that Wikileaks and Project Veritas has revealed, no one trusts the Democratic Party.
After everything that Wikileaks and Project Veritas has revealed, no one trusts the Democratic Party.
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Asking for a recount in a close contest is not delegitimizating the election.
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And even fewer trust a pathological liar who gropes women, insults half the electorate, and is a card-carrying racist endorsed by the Ku Klux Klan.
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Correction: Trump did go off the rails, more than once.
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Trump clearly prepared for this debate, and it showed in the beginning when he stated his points on the Supreme Court. But it was the preparation of an amateur, who has a fifth grade vocabulary and temper, and who did not realize just how badly he got schooled by a pro until it was too late. As the debate wore on and HRC scored more and more points against his overinflated ego ("choked" when he met Mexico's president, "puppet" of Putin, ...), Trump's thin varnish of civility vanished, bigly. [sic] In the end he was so enraged that he could not bring himself to say that he would accept the election result. Case closed.
After the debate the CNN pundits immediately ripped into the unwillingness to bow to democracy. So I changed channels to see what the FOX commentariat would focus on. I was amazed that they homed in on the very same issue and showed the very same contempt for Trump's answer. As a Republican candidate you know you are done when FOX is ripping you to shreds.
After the debate the CNN pundits immediately ripped into the unwillingness to bow to democracy. So I changed channels to see what the FOX commentariat would focus on. I was amazed that they homed in on the very same issue and showed the very same contempt for Trump's answer. As a Republican candidate you know you are done when FOX is ripping you to shreds.
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Yet, the flaccid state of the rest of the Republican party remains scary. The 17 munchkins of primary days? Angry Mitt and Condi? Who believes them (capable) on anything again? They speak/spoke up about nothing. The few who dared are feckless and are not taken seriously in their own party. The "party" seems to be a bunch of lost looters milling about. Is going back to vapid cut taxes, anti-abortion, deficit baiting: it? According to Arthur C. Brooks below, that's a plan. Seriously? And what about the rabble roused by Trump? Where do they go? What will they do?
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Ms. Collins - is your mind so enfeebled that you cannot remember that Al Gore questioned the election of 2000 so much so that he took his case all the way to the Supreme Court? Gore thought it was rigged against him, so what is the difference, Ms. Collins?
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Asking for a recount in a close contest is not delegitimizing the electoral process in advance.
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He'll lose. We don't have THAT many dumb voters in this country - I hope!
But what will he do afterwards - Trump needs the spotlight and he can't admit he does anything wrong. So - it will be a new type of Birtherism with him leading the charge that the election was stolen from him, rigged and anyway it was the fault of Paul Ryan, Republican establishment, main-stream media. In the Iowa primaries he blamed the voters - remember his own words when he didn't win that primary. "how stupid are the people of Iowa?"
Just one thing I ask of the NYTimes - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't cover him, don't report on his press conferences, don't fill the op-ed page with Trumpisms. Let him off our radar, we deserve never to hear the Trump name again.
But what will he do afterwards - Trump needs the spotlight and he can't admit he does anything wrong. So - it will be a new type of Birtherism with him leading the charge that the election was stolen from him, rigged and anyway it was the fault of Paul Ryan, Republican establishment, main-stream media. In the Iowa primaries he blamed the voters - remember his own words when he didn't win that primary. "how stupid are the people of Iowa?"
Just one thing I ask of the NYTimes - PLEASE, PLEASE, PLEASE don't cover him, don't report on his press conferences, don't fill the op-ed page with Trumpisms. Let him off our radar, we deserve never to hear the Trump name again.
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Imagine imagine if Trump were president, and Americans tried to vote him out.
Think Putin. Think Erdogan. Think Hugo Chavez.
Electing Trump would be an extinction level event for Anerica democracy.
Think Putin. Think Erdogan. Think Hugo Chavez.
Electing Trump would be an extinction level event for Anerica democracy.
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RIP GOP
Who will give the eulogy?
Who will give the eulogy?
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@tomjoad
Fear not. A very grateful AMERICA will give the eulogy.
Fear not. A very grateful AMERICA will give the eulogy.
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How many times was this question (will you accept the results) asked in prior presidential election debates, and why aren't columnists asking THAT question now?
How miss the old Gail, Romney and the dog on the roof.
How miss the old Gail, Romney and the dog on the roof.
I find it interesting that Trump talked all week about legitimate ways in which the election is rigged and instead of addressing Trump's concerns, Wallace asks him if he would accept the results of the election.
Trump was right that Hillary Clinton should have been indicted by the FBI. He is also rightly concerned about election rigging, which was exposed by James O'Keefe's recent video and ignored by The New York Times.
And if there was proof that the Republican candidate paid political operatives to incite violence at Clinton rallies, it would be on the front page of the New York Times. Yet, it was ignored by this newspaper when O'Keefe had Democratic operatives on tape admitting to this at the Trump rallies.
So, the NYT is part of the rigging.
Trump was right that Hillary Clinton should have been indicted by the FBI. He is also rightly concerned about election rigging, which was exposed by James O'Keefe's recent video and ignored by The New York Times.
And if there was proof that the Republican candidate paid political operatives to incite violence at Clinton rallies, it would be on the front page of the New York Times. Yet, it was ignored by this newspaper when O'Keefe had Democratic operatives on tape admitting to this at the Trump rallies.
So, the NYT is part of the rigging.
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He talked all week about the ways in which the election is (?) rigged? What he said was pernicious poppycock, designed to pervert susceptible minds -- like your own -- and anyone with half a brain can see that. But then again, anyone with half a brain would take neither Trump nor James O'Keefe's videos at face value
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/what-the-new-james-okeefe-v...
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/what-the-new-james-okeefe-v...
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Let's review Ms. Collins, not sure where you have been......
Upon entrance at the last debate, Trump approached her, and made a feeble attempt to extend his hand, she gave him the stink eye.
This debate, she insisted Bubba and Chelsea would not enter and greet the Trump family.
And I have a question for you, what was her answer?
That's right you don't remember because she went into a tirade about how Trump is the devil. She never answered the question.
She is Claire Underwood. On every talking point, the rambling ended with the word, "women".
But what about the men? Mr. Trump was incorrect, she is not nasty, she is a man-hater.
Upon entrance at the last debate, Trump approached her, and made a feeble attempt to extend his hand, she gave him the stink eye.
This debate, she insisted Bubba and Chelsea would not enter and greet the Trump family.
And I have a question for you, what was her answer?
That's right you don't remember because she went into a tirade about how Trump is the devil. She never answered the question.
She is Claire Underwood. On every talking point, the rambling ended with the word, "women".
But what about the men? Mr. Trump was incorrect, she is not nasty, she is a man-hater.
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Since Trump-et has no clue about what does and doesn't happen in a democracy and he's already threatened to arrest Clinton and throw her in jail if he wins -- obviously thinking that's his prerogative -- then when she wins and he doesn't want to accept the results of the election, she should have him arrested and thrown in jail and he can't/won't protest that action because that's how he thinks a "democracy" works.
Simple solution.
Obviously by suggesting that scenario I'm being as ludicrous as Trump is but, frankly, it doesn't matter if he doesn't "accept" the result of the vote because it's not his decision --- it's the decision of the voters and the majority has already decided that he's a LOSER.
Simple solution.
Obviously by suggesting that scenario I'm being as ludicrous as Trump is but, frankly, it doesn't matter if he doesn't "accept" the result of the vote because it's not his decision --- it's the decision of the voters and the majority has already decided that he's a LOSER.
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Saw a big Trump sign in a yard yesterday
The "T" was done as a mushroom cloud.
The "T" was done as a mushroom cloud.
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He thinks debating is equivalent to WWE (just google "Trump bodyslams Vince McMahon" for an eye-opener). He is dishonest well beyond a flaw. And he has a gleaming set of buttons the pushing of which Hillary has mastered.
Whenever he raises the issue of the Clinton Foundation, how I wish Hillary would simply say, "What I haven't done with the Foundation is use its funds to commit the crime of Bribery of a State Attorney General." He'd come so far off the rails that the NTSB would send a team of derailment investigators to the debate site.
Whenever he raises the issue of the Clinton Foundation, how I wish Hillary would simply say, "What I haven't done with the Foundation is use its funds to commit the crime of Bribery of a State Attorney General." He'd come so far off the rails that the NTSB would send a team of derailment investigators to the debate site.
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Casino owner joins game believing it is rigged against him? Hardly likely! Though it might explain his disastrous bankrupsies
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You know, she actually may be a nasty woman. Politics is a nasty business. But, she is a grown adult. He on the other hand is a whining, immature loser, a little boy whose billions of dollars (if they exist} still don't make for a fully formed adult person.
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I'm simply not clear on the reason for the outrage here. I voted on the infamous butterfly ballot in Florida back in 2000. Did Al Gore take this election to the Supreme Court or not? Or is this another fact the Times, in its woefully biased coverage of this campaign, chooses to overlook?
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Thank you, Ms. Collins, for settling that troubling debate issue, which has kept the Twitterverse up all night. He said "Big League", not "Biggly".
Trump is reliable: he self-destructs.
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Trump is a spoiled brat that still cries and complains when he doesn't get his way! He's still acting like a child. To put it in his own words.... SAD!
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The debate in one scary answer? The whole Trump campaign more like. Actually, I thought at one point that he was mimicking Alec Baldwin. "Wrong!"
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It wasn't clear after the town hall, but last night it was crystal clear that Hillary Clinton sliced and diced Donald Trump for 70 of the 90 minutes, but more importantly showed not only why she is Presidential but Donald Trump absolutely is NOT capable of being President.
We saw a spoiled little boy saying "No, she's a puppet", "wrong, wrong, wrong", "give me a break", "I should have gotten it" (an Emmy), "she's such a nasty woman", "she shouldn't be allowed to run" and, worst of all, that he wouldn't come out and say he would accept the result of the election when, (oops!) IF he loses.
As a coda, it was painful to watch the Trump surrogates try to untwist the pretzel their hero put them in...and what was their defense? "But what about Al Gore in 2000?" More false equivalence, like Trump's taxes with Clinton's eMails. Gore didn't challenge the result UNTIL Florida Law AUTOMATICALLY triggered a recount. Gore NEVER said the voting was fixed before election day and never said it was fixed. It wasn't until the Florida Law itself challenged that state's vote count that Gore challenged the count. And the result? The popular vote LOSER won the Electoral Vote by 536 votes in the 3rd most populous state.
We saw a spoiled little boy saying "No, she's a puppet", "wrong, wrong, wrong", "give me a break", "I should have gotten it" (an Emmy), "she's such a nasty woman", "she shouldn't be allowed to run" and, worst of all, that he wouldn't come out and say he would accept the result of the election when, (oops!) IF he loses.
As a coda, it was painful to watch the Trump surrogates try to untwist the pretzel their hero put them in...and what was their defense? "But what about Al Gore in 2000?" More false equivalence, like Trump's taxes with Clinton's eMails. Gore didn't challenge the result UNTIL Florida Law AUTOMATICALLY triggered a recount. Gore NEVER said the voting was fixed before election day and never said it was fixed. It wasn't until the Florida Law itself challenged that state's vote count that Gore challenged the count. And the result? The popular vote LOSER won the Electoral Vote by 536 votes in the 3rd most populous state.
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Amazing that no one noticed that Social Security was called an entitlement with a snear last night by Chris Wallance. Hillary never mentioned that congress has stolen billions from the trust fund. She just went along with the smear. Sure she babble on about exoanind it and protecting it but she just accepteded the smear. It really irked me.
No one mentioned that much of our debt could be wiped away if corporate tax evaders PAID THEIR TAXES! No one mentioned that we spend billions in wars while our people are told no health care, no roads, no clean water, among other things, because we don't have the money.
But never mind, we are again going to focus on the stupid and ridiculous and yes perhaps chilling statement that Trump made about the election. By the way there are times when election results should be challenged.
No one mentioned that much of our debt could be wiped away if corporate tax evaders PAID THEIR TAXES! No one mentioned that we spend billions in wars while our people are told no health care, no roads, no clean water, among other things, because we don't have the money.
But never mind, we are again going to focus on the stupid and ridiculous and yes perhaps chilling statement that Trump made about the election. By the way there are times when election results should be challenged.
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Gail, thanks for clearing something up for me. All this time I thought he was saying BIGLY not big league. Not only did I hear that but I bet half of the people who listen to him say it thought it was " BIGLY". My son in law has posted it on Facebook that way as well. There was another word he mispronounced but I can not put it in The NY Times.
Well...on one front the end result of this debate could be one that makes for an interesting renewal. One all marriage councilors advise to pep up a relationship. Picture, if you will, a certain couple at the end of a long day. The boudoir. The woman is undressing and the man walks into the room:
"Come here you nasty woman you!"
Power and nasty. Hey...could be the spice of renewal?
One can only hope the same applies at a national level.
John~
American Net'Zen
"Come here you nasty woman you!"
Power and nasty. Hey...could be the spice of renewal?
One can only hope the same applies at a national level.
John~
American Net'Zen
After November 8, someone is just going to have to tell Donald, "You're fired!"
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After Trump of the itchy trigger finger sounded off calling Hilary a liar, AGAIN, I turned off the sound and watched the squinty-eyed puffer fish snivel, balk, cower, then snarl menacingly at Hilary of the possessed demeanor and the Cheshire Cat smile. We can't have the Orangeman of a 1000 mug shots get near world leaders let alone beauty pageant contestants.
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He does OK for a petulant, impulsive 5 year old.
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Back in 1980, upon losing New York state's U.S. Senate election to Alphonse D'Amato, Elizabeth Holtzman refused to concede. New York, the Senate, and Mr. D'Amato all survived, but Ms. Holtzman's political career was effectively undone.
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Trump deserves the equivalent of a razzie ( worst film award ) for worst presidential candidate ever.
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Spare us the faux outrage Gail.
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Why all the shock and disbelief that a candidate might contest an election outcome? Didn't Gore refuse to accept his election results? And didn't the entire Democratic Party back him up all the way to the Supreme Court? Is this false outrage for popular consumption or are only Democrats allowed to say the system is rigged? I seem to remember Obama repeatedly saying that the system was stacked against him. Some fact checking by the Times might be in order.
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No, Gore didn't refuse to accept the election results. Gore asked for an investigation, reasonably, and then accepted the results.
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Another non-story the Times is trying to blow up....check the last debate when your beloved Hillary refused to answer pretty much the same question...no problem with that as I recall....
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The country is in trouble either.way, juts worse off with trump at the helm.
Maybe Peter Thiel can real quick like crank out some sort of virtual reality goggles that have him and DJT always young, always in the spotlight, always right, always in the saddle, always firmly in charge.... you get the idea.
Too bad they won't be able to duplicate the effect of cheap beer for his minions.
I'm gonna hate that voice for the next four years, maybe Bill has some tips.
Too bad they won't be able to duplicate the effect of cheap beer for his minions.
I'm gonna hate that voice for the next four years, maybe Bill has some tips.
Here’s a great media conspiracy to contemplate: why don’t all the media people get together and agree not to cover one word Trump says after he loses the election.
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Why is it automatically assumed that if you don't vote for Trump, then you must vote for Clinton? Do Americans understand that the Republican Party and the Democratic Party are private organizations? The US Constitution does not reference any political party or require citizens to vote for someone with an R or D behind his or her name. Trump is clearly not a Republican, and Hillary is almost to the right of GW Bush. Every 4 years, the media warns us that a vote for a third party candidate is a wasted vote and even worse, could result in the frontrunner losing the race. This go around, we've been repeatedly warned that voting for a third party could cost Hillary the election. But is that really your job as a voter? If a candidate loses, the defeat is on them. He or she should have shored up enough votes to avoid that situation in the first place. Your vote is yours and yours alone; for most of us common working folk, i.e., non-lobbyists or big banks, it's all we have. Stop being a political zombie by voting for the same two bloated, corrupt, and just plain tired, parties. This is the 21st century. Information on other parties is easily accessible on the Internet. If we keep electing candidates from the same two dominant parties, we'll keep getting the same results and our vote will continue to be taken for granted.
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God spare me another comment that the candidates are both the same, both dreadful, both corrupt... both degrees of evil.
if you are no more discriminating than that, don't vote. go read some American history, inform yourself and wait till next time. you'll get another chance.
if you are no more discriminating than that, don't vote. go read some American history, inform yourself and wait till next time. you'll get another chance.
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Trump should concede now. Just ask Bernie...
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Don't you even find it odd that Trump is suddenly uttering his name???
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Donald Trump: "I don't pay income taxes but it's Hillary's fault for not changing the tax laws."
Donald Trump: "I bought Chinese steel but it's Hillary's fault for allowing that to happen."
Does the man take personal responsibility for anything?!
Donald Trump: "I bought Chinese steel but it's Hillary's fault for allowing that to happen."
Does the man take personal responsibility for anything?!
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I think the point is that our government should construct policies in such a way as to promote our country first.
When foreign entities are allowed to contribute to election campaigns (as in the $60 million in foreign money to Clintons PACs, not to mention the Clinton foundation) this simple concept of "America first" gets ignored.
When foreign entities are allowed to contribute to election campaigns (as in the $60 million in foreign money to Clintons PACs, not to mention the Clinton foundation) this simple concept of "America first" gets ignored.
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The key question for Republican "leadership" holders this year has been how and when to repudiate their nominee. Should they do it early or late? Should it be a complete repudiation or one tinged with regret and long faces? Should they repudiate half of him and try to hang on to the other half, fearing the wrath of Trumpsters if they go all the way? Should they do it after he was caught talking about grabbing at women at will, because he's a "star"? Or after numerous women go on the record saying he did just that?
The Trump we see now, angry and turning red, interrupting and bursting forth with insults, is not that much different from the Trump who has been on the scene in New York for decades. Self centered, constantly bragging about how great his companies are, hanging out at Studio 54, that coke and wild sex haven of the 1980s, taking on more than he can chew like Trump Airlines, the Plaza Hotel, the casino that would have needed to take in 1 million per day to stay solvent, the multiple marriages and through it all building his "brand" and emerging, somehow, as a survivor. We knew this, why wasn't it reported much earlier, years ago or at least a year and a half ago when it might have done some good?
We now see the endgame. Trump will claim he was robbed of the election. His supporters will go nuts and do...something. He built his campaign on grievance, anger, disappointment and anti-immigrant screeds and all those elements will be bubbling over in the after-campaign.
The Trump we see now, angry and turning red, interrupting and bursting forth with insults, is not that much different from the Trump who has been on the scene in New York for decades. Self centered, constantly bragging about how great his companies are, hanging out at Studio 54, that coke and wild sex haven of the 1980s, taking on more than he can chew like Trump Airlines, the Plaza Hotel, the casino that would have needed to take in 1 million per day to stay solvent, the multiple marriages and through it all building his "brand" and emerging, somehow, as a survivor. We knew this, why wasn't it reported much earlier, years ago or at least a year and a half ago when it might have done some good?
We now see the endgame. Trump will claim he was robbed of the election. His supporters will go nuts and do...something. He built his campaign on grievance, anger, disappointment and anti-immigrant screeds and all those elements will be bubbling over in the after-campaign.
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Will Donald accept the results of the election? Will Hillary make peace with the Donald supporters? Stay tuned for the next episode of "The United States Used To Be Somebody--the decline of a fallen nation".
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What is really scary is what will occur before the result is known. There absolutely be Trump thugs at polling places intimidating, chanting, and engaging in violence. As we know the US stretches across 6 hours of time zones, meaning that much of the country will see this on TV before they vote, many may be dissuaded from the ordeal, particularly if there are other factors such as rain or long queues. This certainly could affect the outcome, and the outcry after the 3rd debate makes it difficult for Hillary to dispute the result. Of course this is easily defeated...
Get out and VOTE! and don't be put off by anything.
Get out and VOTE! and don't be put off by anything.
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We have seen how rude and lacking in all semblances of civility and respect Trump is in his interactions with Hillary. Last night was no exception. He continually interjected obnoxious commentary as she spoke but added a new low interjecting "such a nasty woman." I wonder how Trump would behave if confronted with other powerful women in the world of national and international government. For several years now there have been an average of 20 female world leaders. Would he observe correct protocol when meeting with these women or would he impulsively kiss them on the lips if they are attractive? Perhaps he will offer them a Tic Tac first. If they are not attractive to him, will he make derogatory comments about their appearance in the media? Will he be able to accept that a woman is on equal footing with him and deserving of his respect or will he rebel at the very thought? If they disagree with him will he start tweeting venomous remarks about them in the middle of the night? Trump has insulted males and females vociferously throughout his campaign, but he has been virulent when it comes to women. I don't think he would have treated a male opponent with the same bullying tactics. I can't imagine him on the world stage dealing with female leaders in any way that would promote good relations with them or their countries. This is only one problem with the nightmare that a Trump presidency would be, but it's one that's real.
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The rigged election comments and failing to pledge to accept the election results is the logical result of years of R attempts to limit voting access. DJT’s ‘sin’ was that his message was unscripted and sounded unhinged, but high ranking Rs have been peddling garbage about a compromised electoral system for years. The R hierarchy owns him, like it or not.
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There will be no crisis if Trump refuses to accept his defeat on November 8th. There will be no huge groundswell of defiant supporters or significant unrest among the populace. The average American is dying for this ghastly election season to be over. Whine as he might, he will go out with a whimper.
Hillary should have parted with a last dart at Trump's heart, shyly saying see you at inauguration.
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Trump has a heart???
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The debate in my mind:
If Trump (Hare Rama, forbid)… were to win the election (Hare Krishna, forgive me for having these evil thoughts)… then I wonder if he might dispense with the title “President” (O Great Shiva, strike me now, for my insanity)?
But I suspect Trump might want to be called Perfect Leader (I beg your forgiveness, O Brahma, Vishnu & Mahesh for this blasphemy)? After all, he does fancy Dear Leader Kim Jong Un and Comrade Putin (both of whom are in serious need of enlightenment, O Buddha)… Please tell me there won’t be a Perfect Leader Trump in our future, O Mahadevi?
Hillary Clinton is no Great Goddess, but she will do.
If Trump (Hare Rama, forbid)… were to win the election (Hare Krishna, forgive me for having these evil thoughts)… then I wonder if he might dispense with the title “President” (O Great Shiva, strike me now, for my insanity)?
But I suspect Trump might want to be called Perfect Leader (I beg your forgiveness, O Brahma, Vishnu & Mahesh for this blasphemy)? After all, he does fancy Dear Leader Kim Jong Un and Comrade Putin (both of whom are in serious need of enlightenment, O Buddha)… Please tell me there won’t be a Perfect Leader Trump in our future, O Mahadevi?
Hillary Clinton is no Great Goddess, but she will do.
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Do you get the impression that Hillary has been working and planning on this for so long that she has things stacked up and ready to go? My impression is, the only thing that can keep her from being a great president is another obstructionist Republican Congress. With carte blanche, she can be another FDR.
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If she has to take a week to prepare with her team for a meeting with Trump, that's concerning.
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She is the only person to beat Trump in debates. None of the Republican men candidates could do what she did.
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I am not too thrilled that a criteria for electing a president hinges on being a debate winner. I am more concerned on the candidate making the right decisions for our country and not leading us into another war. Clintons history is not to promising....Libya, Honduras, Syria, Iraq, blanket support for Saudi Arabia and Israel to name a few concerns.
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@es
It's not about being a "debate winner" -- it's about what's actually being said in the debate.
But unfortunately with Mr. Trump, it never gets much further than slingling blame and personal taunts.
If you don't think Clintons history is "promising", you should take a closer look at his.
It's not about being a "debate winner" -- it's about what's actually being said in the debate.
But unfortunately with Mr. Trump, it never gets much further than slingling blame and personal taunts.
If you don't think Clintons history is "promising", you should take a closer look at his.
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And John McCain said he would not vote on any SCOTUS appointee of Secretary Clinton. The Repubes never accepted the fact that Obama was elected and are stating already they will not accept Hillary Clinton.
There are more parts to the Constitution than just the 2nd amendment, the Repubs are violating the constitution now and threatening to continue to do so.
Vote Democrat up and down the ticket!
There are more parts to the Constitution than just the 2nd amendment, the Repubs are violating the constitution now and threatening to continue to do so.
Vote Democrat up and down the ticket!
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Not accepting election results? Al Gore in 2000 rejected the certified Florida results. John Kerry claimed in David Remnick's 2015 New Yorker Magazine profile that the Ohio election results in 2004 were "rigged." Hillary claimed Jeb Bush rigged the Florida 2000 election, while she was traveling in Africa representing America as Secretary of State. Hillary again nodded her assent to Gore's rejection of the certified Florida results in 2000 just last week in Miami. More phony outrage and amnesia from the Left.
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New York University professor Mark Miller has several books claiming that George W. Bush’s presidential victories in 2000 and 2004 were the result of large-scale fraud.
Has the court challenge of Al Gore been lost in history?
Has the court challenge of Al Gore been lost in history?
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No, it hasn't been lost in history --- Nor has it been lost on a lot of Americans who remember those elections.
Read all of the comments posted here, and you'll see.
Read all of the comments posted here, and you'll see.
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Of course the election is rigged. How could Trump, the greatest genius ever to walk the face of the earth possibly lose??
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How is Donald's refusal to accept the election any different than the Senate's to vote on President Obama’s nomination of Judge Merrick Garland to the U.S. Supreme Court?
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Perhaps a cursory glance at this country's Consttutional Laws might best give you that answer -- But you may be certain there is a very great difference between choosing a Supreme Court Judge, and a prsidential nominee possibly not accepting the outcome of a democratic election.
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After the debate only one candidate walked into the audience to meet her fellow Americans.
The other candidate avoided his fellow Americans and just slinked away to sulk.
Congratulations Madam President.
The other candidate avoided his fellow Americans and just slinked away to sulk.
Congratulations Madam President.
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"Control Alt Delete"
That escalator was a metaphor
Of the direction you would take us
Through your anger and your bigotry
To say nothing of the Billy Bush bus
You started the campaign downward
And you have escalated even lower
Dragging with you common decency
Through your hate-filled flame thrower
But while that escalator pulled you down
It accomplished an amazing feat
It has rallied decent folk together
And it's time for you to control, alt delete
That escalator was a metaphor
Of the direction you would take us
Through your anger and your bigotry
To say nothing of the Billy Bush bus
You started the campaign downward
And you have escalated even lower
Dragging with you common decency
Through your hate-filled flame thrower
But while that escalator pulled you down
It accomplished an amazing feat
It has rallied decent folk together
And it's time for you to control, alt delete
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Who cares if Donald Trump accepts the results of the election? Will his party stand behind him and contest it? Doubtful.
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Oh, the irony! Per his Playboy interview (see March, 1990), he is not interested in running for the Presidency.
Per the interview, "And the Presidency? No, that takes an election, and it is clear that Trump is not That patient. Too much to do!"
Just my two cents for today.
Per the interview, "And the Presidency? No, that takes an election, and it is clear that Trump is not That patient. Too much to do!"
Just my two cents for today.
What were you doing 26 years ago? Wow.
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With Trump, all he can say about other countries is that:
“We negotiated a terrible deal with ____ country. Our current leaders are stupid and got outsmarted by the foreign leaders, who should be paying the U.S. a huge amount of money for ______.”
He doesn’t bother to learn the intricacies or politics of other countries, he doesn’t bother to respect the alliances and agreements we’ve made over the years, and he doesn’t bother to think about the consequences of what he proposes. He just says he can get a “better deal."
“We negotiated a terrible deal with ____ country. Our current leaders are stupid and got outsmarted by the foreign leaders, who should be paying the U.S. a huge amount of money for ______.”
He doesn’t bother to learn the intricacies or politics of other countries, he doesn’t bother to respect the alliances and agreements we’ve made over the years, and he doesn’t bother to think about the consequences of what he proposes. He just says he can get a “better deal."
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Hillary Clinton advocated the removal of Muammar Gaddafi while disregarding the consequences of removing Saddam Hussein from Iraq as part of a war that she voted for. We're told she is the one with all of the experience but her actions don't indicate that.
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Trump's whining again?
How manly...
How manly...
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Speaking of " defeating ISIS:"
I couldn't help but notice a nuance in Hillary's position that I hadn't notice before.
She said she'd never put US troops over there as "an occupying force." Didn't George W. Bush say exactly the same thing in 2002, about Iraq? In fact, I recall those exact words.
What gets unclear is where a "liberating force" morphs into an "occupying force." When military leaders advise political leaders that all of the gains achieved by the "liberating force" will vanish the moment our troops leave, do the political leaders pull out the troops anyway? Or do they keep them there and try as long as possible to refer to them as a "liberating force" rather than an "occupying force?"
I couldn't help but notice a nuance in Hillary's position that I hadn't notice before.
She said she'd never put US troops over there as "an occupying force." Didn't George W. Bush say exactly the same thing in 2002, about Iraq? In fact, I recall those exact words.
What gets unclear is where a "liberating force" morphs into an "occupying force." When military leaders advise political leaders that all of the gains achieved by the "liberating force" will vanish the moment our troops leave, do the political leaders pull out the troops anyway? Or do they keep them there and try as long as possible to refer to them as a "liberating force" rather than an "occupying force?"
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"Bad Hombres" is the name of my new band. We'll be opening for "Basket of Deplorables" somewhere soon.
Thanks Gail!
Thanks Gail!
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Concede to the public's judgement ; those naifs, fools ,criminals and ignoramuses.
Never !
He answers only to the "worlds greatest authority", Himself.
Never !
He answers only to the "worlds greatest authority", Himself.
And once upon a time we thought that Watergate was our "long national nightmare." We hadn't seen anything yet.
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While Trump is jumping up and down for the next year about the "rigging", Bill will be refurnishing the White House. The curtains were already measured in '92.
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Talk about hypocrisy, Dems have been shrieking that Bush stole elections in 2000 and 2004. But somehow Trump suggesting that he thinks the 2016 election may be rigged, given Pew's and Wikileaks revelations about millions of fake voter registrations and Dem operatives giving details of their vote fraud operations, is somehow horrifying? The MSM press and its supporters are horrifying. Too bad Trump isn't articulate enough to make this point.
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If there are widespread voter irregularities a/o voter fraud then NO ONE WOULD ACCEPT THE RESULTS. This is what I THINK Trump has in mind when he says he'll leave it up to after the election to decide whether to accept or reject results. At the moment it seems the Clinton campaign is involved in many voter registration irregularities.
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Gail Collins seems to have the Ol' Selective Memory that prevails so often in the gray matter of the political scribes.
GAIL....Can you say "HANGING CHADS"?
Good grief....you'd want to believe she could recall Gore's challenge to Florida's vote count....don't you think?
GAIL....Can you say "HANGING CHADS"?
Good grief....you'd want to believe she could recall Gore's challenge to Florida's vote count....don't you think?
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“I will tell you at the time. … I’ll keep you in suspense." The "I" is Trump and the "you" is The United States of America. Nothing can be more obvious about Trump's ego than this. His determination to be the center of attention – especially at the expense of a whole nation – is nauseating.
It would be good to see the media back off giving this anymore attention after today's day of reporting it. Please already, stop feeding the beast.
It would be good to see the media back off giving this anymore attention after today's day of reporting it. Please already, stop feeding the beast.
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As other old men like me have said, what is the country coming to? How did a crude man like Trump
get this far?
get this far?
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I don't recall Gail getting all wound up when Al Gore refused to concede...claimed the ballots in south Florida were rigged...and contested the results of the election for weeks in state and federal courts...it appears to be nothing short of total hypocrisy to say allege that Trump said anything different than a restatement of the Gore/Democrat Party precedent
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Wow, I have come to the conclusion, that Hillary MUST represent us as President.
Trump is a little boy in a man's body.
Trump is a little boy in a man's body.
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So, when Democrats refused to accept the election results of 2000, Hillary claiming Bush was "selected", and Gore refusing to accept it, is okay because? Oh, that's right, you just proved Trump's double standard claim. Nice.
Actually no, in 2000 there was a recount and before it was even completed, Al Gore and the Democrats accepted the election result.
So I know it's not possible to support Trump without lying, but for your own self-respect, I think it's time to give up on him.
So I know it's not possible to support Trump without lying, but for your own self-respect, I think it's time to give up on him.
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Well at least the Democrats are admitting Bush beat Gore and they were wrong.
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Listening to the debate on the radio I felt sorry for America. Clinton must count her lucky stars that Trump is her opponent. She has nothing really new to contribute to the country other than she is not Trump.
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It's just a detail in this column, but why does Hillary have to defend the Clinton Foundation? They have a high rating. The "scandal" about the foundation is entirely manufactured.
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A scary answer from a scary person. yet, many of his supporters are even more scary.
Over months, the evidence has mounted that Trump is not fit to be president. But, evidence and facts seem to be of limited importance to Trump's fans.
What does seem to matter to them is hatred of Hillary Clinton. They hate her because she's a Clinton, and, most importantly, because she's a "she". This is a blind, unreasoning kind of hatred; it simply has no basis in evidence nor in fact.
Once this election is over, the 40% +/- will still be among us, waiting for their next opportunity to spew hatred, venom and ignorance. Among the 40% are most GOP members of Congress, and they will make Ms. Clinton's life miserable. I expect that the next 4 years will see invectives, baseless charges, lawsuits, and, likely, an attempt to impeach her.
They almost got her husband, but, they hate her more
Over months, the evidence has mounted that Trump is not fit to be president. But, evidence and facts seem to be of limited importance to Trump's fans.
What does seem to matter to them is hatred of Hillary Clinton. They hate her because she's a Clinton, and, most importantly, because she's a "she". This is a blind, unreasoning kind of hatred; it simply has no basis in evidence nor in fact.
Once this election is over, the 40% +/- will still be among us, waiting for their next opportunity to spew hatred, venom and ignorance. Among the 40% are most GOP members of Congress, and they will make Ms. Clinton's life miserable. I expect that the next 4 years will see invectives, baseless charges, lawsuits, and, likely, an attempt to impeach her.
They almost got her husband, but, they hate her more
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Poor Gail,
Al Gore and, reportedly, Hillary still refuse to accept the results of the 2000 election. Are they spending too much time around Donald?
THE big question was when the pesky host asked Hilly if she was indeed holding to her promise to that Senate committee to keep her foundation activity separate from her SecState duties.
She has spent the last eight years collecting hundreds of millions of dollars selling access to herself in what looks like a money-laundering scheme.
Hillary refused to answer the man, launching in her current beta of word salad instead.
Are you really going to be happy with non-answers from her? Will you run out of whatever you're taking that allows you to live this limited a life?
Al Gore and, reportedly, Hillary still refuse to accept the results of the 2000 election. Are they spending too much time around Donald?
THE big question was when the pesky host asked Hilly if she was indeed holding to her promise to that Senate committee to keep her foundation activity separate from her SecState duties.
She has spent the last eight years collecting hundreds of millions of dollars selling access to herself in what looks like a money-laundering scheme.
Hillary refused to answer the man, launching in her current beta of word salad instead.
Are you really going to be happy with non-answers from her? Will you run out of whatever you're taking that allows you to live this limited a life?
I remember Gore saying the same thing in 2000, AFTER he already lost. And yet, the New York Times wasn't calling it "scary" then. So I guess Democrats are allowed to challenge election results, but not Republicans?
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I'm going to preface this by saying that I don't support either and frankly it doesn't matter, in regard to my comment.
How long will we ignore the DNC leaks and pretend that the Clinton campaign has not rigged the race thus far?
This is not new. Politicians have been manipulating popular opinion for as long as this country has existed. Howard Zinn's book, People's History of the United States, is a good starting point to refresh your memory.
There have been all sorts of lies, from both Trump and Clinton.
I don't care if Trump will refuse to concede! I am waiting for this country to collectively become infuriated by these morally bankrupt individuals.
How long will we ignore the DNC leaks and pretend that the Clinton campaign has not rigged the race thus far?
This is not new. Politicians have been manipulating popular opinion for as long as this country has existed. Howard Zinn's book, People's History of the United States, is a good starting point to refresh your memory.
There have been all sorts of lies, from both Trump and Clinton.
I don't care if Trump will refuse to concede! I am waiting for this country to collectively become infuriated by these morally bankrupt individuals.
The Trump "brand" is now synonymous with "groping no-class LOSER."
Trump's people know it too. They are getting ready to rebrand it all "Scion."
Vote with your wallets too folks. You'll know that Trump has learned about defeat when "Trump Tower" becomes not-Trump Tower.
"Trump" will join the surnames of infamy, like "Quisling."
Trump's people know it too. They are getting ready to rebrand it all "Scion."
Vote with your wallets too folks. You'll know that Trump has learned about defeat when "Trump Tower" becomes not-Trump Tower.
"Trump" will join the surnames of infamy, like "Quisling."
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I pray for TRUMP to be out of political affairs of this country. I don't think I can point to my 6 yr. old daughter that this man of NO MORALITY is the president of this great nation. Yesterday, she and my son were watching the debate and when Trump called secretary Clinton 'Nasty', they were quick to point out - 'another offensive language'.
As a Father, I feel pity that republicans decided to keep this man, who is a failure in business, womanizer, poor at speaking and has no idea what he talking about. He should be in Jail for acts against women. if it was a black man who groped and confronted by 9 women, that person would have been Jail. Why is Trump being spared?
I know Secretary Clinton will have many serious job after winning. She should set up a women commission to investigate Trumps crime against Women and bring him to justice.
Secretary Clinton is a public servant and very generous; Trump has not paid taxes that is used for public services and i don't think this person ever donates to any cause, other than being in his trump towers boasting. How can a section of voters get attracted to him?
Trump should not be brought back for any election and must be erased from the political chapter forever. Republicans lost a chance with Trump!!
As a Father, I feel pity that republicans decided to keep this man, who is a failure in business, womanizer, poor at speaking and has no idea what he talking about. He should be in Jail for acts against women. if it was a black man who groped and confronted by 9 women, that person would have been Jail. Why is Trump being spared?
I know Secretary Clinton will have many serious job after winning. She should set up a women commission to investigate Trumps crime against Women and bring him to justice.
Secretary Clinton is a public servant and very generous; Trump has not paid taxes that is used for public services and i don't think this person ever donates to any cause, other than being in his trump towers boasting. How can a section of voters get attracted to him?
Trump should not be brought back for any election and must be erased from the political chapter forever. Republicans lost a chance with Trump!!
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Could it be he's suffering chemical toxicity from hair dye, and hairspray?
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It's amusing that half of the comments here say, "who cares if he doesn't accept the election." To me it appears that Gail is having difficulty in scaring her readers. What a shallow piece of journalism.
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Throughout this campaign I keep remembering trump's saying from the 'Art of the Deal' that he hires people who aren't as smart as him so he will always be the smartest person in the room. I remember thinking how odd that was because I like being around smarter people than me because I can learn from them and they can fill in where I'm not as knowledgeable. And I think this philosophy of his says it all. He is insecure and actually not that smart.
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So many sharks jumped by the trump campaign, it's hard to figure out what the decisive turning point really was. The billy bush tape was important, but he was already slipping in the polls by then. Maybe his nomination speech?
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Donald Trump = Paul Ryan = Mitch McConnell = The whole Republican Party. Unless you disavow him, you support him. The arithmetic is pretty simple, as will be Clinton's overwhelming Electoral vote victory on Nov.8. Paul, Mitch, you know he's going to lose -big league - but you still cling to the Trumptanic. Go figure.
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Should Republicans retain the House of Representatives, one wonders if they will be quite so bold in their attempts to use their investigative powers to discredit Hillary Clinton following the election, least they be seen as engaging in a lite version of not accepting the outcome of the election.
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He is the nominee of the Republican party. He is what he always has been, a carnival barker, a reality show host, an entertainer, a fake. His nomination speaks to the level the Republicans have stooped.
"You Lie!" during a President's first address to congress, stalling vital legislation, wasting time and taxpayers dollars on absurdly pointless investigations- Trump's nomination is perfectly in line with their open disdain for the best interests of the American people. A few oligarchs incite violence and appeal to the fear and bigotry in the economically downtrodden and under-educated, the very people their policies deliberately harm.
"You Lie!" during a President's first address to congress, stalling vital legislation, wasting time and taxpayers dollars on absurdly pointless investigations- Trump's nomination is perfectly in line with their open disdain for the best interests of the American people. A few oligarchs incite violence and appeal to the fear and bigotry in the economically downtrodden and under-educated, the very people their policies deliberately harm.
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Seems the NYTimes censors only want you progressives to be talking to yourselves but in the interest of giving benefit of doubt i will try again so show a different side of their story. First, the Republicans have no monopoly of saying elections are rigged, just look at this years Democratic nomination and how many times Sanders and his backers claimed the same thing about Clinton and her campaign apparatus.
Of course the election is rigged. This is just the beginning though. Obama allowed sanctuary cities correct? Do you think he and his progressive base would be doing this if those illegal immigrants were going to vote Republican by 90%? Obama and Clinton and the MSM rigged the last election by hiding Benghazi and now we have the FBI as part of that team by not allowing a real investigation thanks to Obama's corruption of FBI Dir. Comey and many others. Obama has directed his military advisers to sugar coat the progress in the M.E. and many of them went along to protect their pensions to assure his and Clinton's advancement. Obama, his DOJ and the MSM allowed the IRS to go after his political opponents, "with not a smidgen of corruption, here" this has recently been confirmed by Koskinen in a Congressional hearing but edited by the MSM. We just need to define what rigging an election means.
Of course the election is rigged. This is just the beginning though. Obama allowed sanctuary cities correct? Do you think he and his progressive base would be doing this if those illegal immigrants were going to vote Republican by 90%? Obama and Clinton and the MSM rigged the last election by hiding Benghazi and now we have the FBI as part of that team by not allowing a real investigation thanks to Obama's corruption of FBI Dir. Comey and many others. Obama has directed his military advisers to sugar coat the progress in the M.E. and many of them went along to protect their pensions to assure his and Clinton's advancement. Obama, his DOJ and the MSM allowed the IRS to go after his political opponents, "with not a smidgen of corruption, here" this has recently been confirmed by Koskinen in a Congressional hearing but edited by the MSM. We just need to define what rigging an election means.
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You probably don't know any illegal immigrants. If you did, you would know that they DO NOT VOTE. The last thing someone in this country without papers wants to do is voluntarily appear in front of election or any other officials. They hide in shadows.
When I was in Arizona a couple of years ago, I was amazed at how many drivers strictly obeyed the posted speed limits. Then I realized that many do not want to give police any cause to pull them over. It was striking.
You should be expanding your source of information because your comment makes you seem like a right wing "sound bite" person.
When I was in Arizona a couple of years ago, I was amazed at how many drivers strictly obeyed the posted speed limits. Then I realized that many do not want to give police any cause to pull them over. It was striking.
You should be expanding your source of information because your comment makes you seem like a right wing "sound bite" person.
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Why did the Dems. in the senate refuse to allow Cruz's bill from being voted on which would have allowed the illegal immigrants to receive all the benefits of living here except citizenship which would allow voting. Seems they were not so interested in the welfare of those poor souls living in the shadows, whatever that really means as much as they wanted their future votes.
Donald Trump's demeanor was strangely subdued last night. I wonder if he was on some kind of a drug.
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HRC: were the system not rivged, Sanders would be the nominee.
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Not true. Remember, Bernie was never a Democrat so there were many Democrats who did not want to vote in the primary for a "pretend" Democrat.
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Not so. Bernie lost by over 4 million popular votes -- not to mention the fact that he didn't connect with the African-American community, which is loyally Democratic.
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Enough! Too bad for Bernie if he decided to horn in on the Democratic party's primary and didn't learn the rules the way HRC's team did. Cry me a river. Neither the DNC or HRC changed the rules on Bernie. Still not sure why he was allowed to run in the Democratic Party's primary. What had Bernie done for Democrats that they should vote for him over a better prepared party loyalist? Seems so obvious to me and I didn't vote in the primaries.
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Congratulations Hillary on your victory. The one thing you won't have to worry about again is Donald Trump. When you win the election, since he isn't a politician, you won't have to run into him at all not in the Senate or the House or anywhere else because he will be hiding and sulking in Trump Tower mouthing off on twitter about how the system was rigged even though you've won by a landslide. It doesn't matter if he accepts or doesn't. He isn't a politician and he would just hold up the process so he could get more media time to rant and rave. So I wouldn't count on it. The only person who ever could have contested the results was Al Gore and he did the right thing to unify the country. Donald doesn't care about unifying the country, he only cares about Donald and his brand which after this election should go down the tubes. DT proved once and for all he is unfit to be President, so you go girl and sit down in the oval office and give yourself a high five because you earned the right and more to be in that seat. Congrats.
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A 'lingering' question I have for Trump: He skipped one primary debate to raise funds for Veterans. He said: "$6-million dollars were raised." What happened to that money? We have had very scant revelations of where a few of the dollars went - did the rest go into the Trump Foundation (remember him saying: "I LOVE to spend other people's money!" Has he spent it? Where is it?) Will we ALLOW him to steal it?
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Who is the celebrity apprentice now?
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For the Republican Party, Trump might as well be the Manchurian Candidate planted by .....
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Bill Clinton.
The very worst thing about Trump is that he thinks this is all just a board game, like Risk or Monopoly.
We see a loopy and dangerous crack about "keeping us in suspense," at a time when a lot of his devotees wave guns, yap about Second Amendment Remedies, mutter about how everything's rigged and the Decent People need to take their country back from nearly all of its people, and take over bird sanctuaries while shooting at cops.
He sees a business opportunity, a clever bargaining ploy, a cheap trick to play, a cute tactic to get what he wants.
The worst thing about Trump is, he thinks democracy's just a petty little game.
We see a loopy and dangerous crack about "keeping us in suspense," at a time when a lot of his devotees wave guns, yap about Second Amendment Remedies, mutter about how everything's rigged and the Decent People need to take their country back from nearly all of its people, and take over bird sanctuaries while shooting at cops.
He sees a business opportunity, a clever bargaining ploy, a cheap trick to play, a cute tactic to get what he wants.
The worst thing about Trump is, he thinks democracy's just a petty little game.
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After his comment last night that he wanted to "keep [us] in suspense" I now believe he thinks this is a reality TV show. Or at a minimum, he is campaigning as if he is a reality show contestant.
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"...so this is the way the world ends... not with a bang, but a whimper...."
That Man ran out of steam last night.
There were no ominous promises to kill the families of foreigners, no threats to stuff Gitmo to the rooftops, no deportation squads, no jailing women for obtaining legal abortions....
He summed it all up at the end, "Such a nasty woman," he snarled.
Now he's gone home to sulk. He dissed the female, that mouthy so and so, smacked her a good one, gave her the what-for, nine billion got to see it, ha, that will shut her and all women on the planet up forever! The Saudis could be heard giving him a high-five.
Between that overarching arc of clear-cut misogyny and him pouting that if he didn't like the way his losing went then he would never concede, is the sum total of Donald Trump"s run for the President of the United States.
That's all there is.
That's all there ever was.
He started calling females "dogs, pigs and disgusting" and ends with the typical hollow insult: "Such a nasty woman."
The game is over.
Will he concede?
Oh, please - who cares?
We know he'll whine and bellow for another 10 years, pull a new Birther Stunt ("She's a female and not equal under the Constitution, can only vote, has no standing to be President, they all need to be in jail..."), and 30 million or so wretched, miserable, brain-dead and ethically-challenged followers will back him until he's in a nursing home.
Nothing new here.
She won.
He lost.
It happens.
Go pout, Donny.
Go.
That Man ran out of steam last night.
There were no ominous promises to kill the families of foreigners, no threats to stuff Gitmo to the rooftops, no deportation squads, no jailing women for obtaining legal abortions....
He summed it all up at the end, "Such a nasty woman," he snarled.
Now he's gone home to sulk. He dissed the female, that mouthy so and so, smacked her a good one, gave her the what-for, nine billion got to see it, ha, that will shut her and all women on the planet up forever! The Saudis could be heard giving him a high-five.
Between that overarching arc of clear-cut misogyny and him pouting that if he didn't like the way his losing went then he would never concede, is the sum total of Donald Trump"s run for the President of the United States.
That's all there is.
That's all there ever was.
He started calling females "dogs, pigs and disgusting" and ends with the typical hollow insult: "Such a nasty woman."
The game is over.
Will he concede?
Oh, please - who cares?
We know he'll whine and bellow for another 10 years, pull a new Birther Stunt ("She's a female and not equal under the Constitution, can only vote, has no standing to be President, they all need to be in jail..."), and 30 million or so wretched, miserable, brain-dead and ethically-challenged followers will back him until he's in a nursing home.
Nothing new here.
She won.
He lost.
It happens.
Go pout, Donny.
Go.
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Much policy is boring in it's own way. If she gives boring answers-which she doesn't-it is because you understands issues and has policy prescriptions. Being president is not being entertainer in chief.
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Donnie might have had a chance if he'd put a sock in it, and made the focus HRC's many legitimate issues: "open borders" and " Western hemisphere EU", her vote for Bush's War (when 23 other senators managed to vote against it), her Wall Street speaking fees ( and hidden speech texts), etc, etc.
He would likely have still fallen back at the groping allegations and the Miss Piggy comments, but might even have survived those with a sincere apology.
But he made those completely sickening episodes THE focus by denying, denying, denying. He is a festering ( i'll encode the word here) ttuurrdd of a human being...and a stupid one, too, in his squandering a genuine chance to win. This could have been a chance to really shake up the DC Establishment, which could use some shaking up.
Bernie, and Trump, revealed the hunger for such change from those who have lost out in the last decades, with their loss of homes, jobs, savings, and futures. Now, we'll likely be stuck with more of the same, instead of any genuine change.
Warren 2020!
He would likely have still fallen back at the groping allegations and the Miss Piggy comments, but might even have survived those with a sincere apology.
But he made those completely sickening episodes THE focus by denying, denying, denying. He is a festering ( i'll encode the word here) ttuurrdd of a human being...and a stupid one, too, in his squandering a genuine chance to win. This could have been a chance to really shake up the DC Establishment, which could use some shaking up.
Bernie, and Trump, revealed the hunger for such change from those who have lost out in the last decades, with their loss of homes, jobs, savings, and futures. Now, we'll likely be stuck with more of the same, instead of any genuine change.
Warren 2020!
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I'm no Hillary fan. Let me start there. But I think she won the debate, objectively speaking.
But there's this phony false equivalency game that I find a lot of people playing whereby they feel they can bash both candidates for more or less the same deals -- and feel some sort of moral high ground, or at the very least better about themselves.
Maybe Hillary is a liar. I'm not naive enough to conclude one way or another. But I'm willing to take a competent, perhaps even over-prepared, liar over an incompetent jerk with no respect for any one or any institution but himself, any day of the week.
Look at the latest data about primary voting. You'll see that it's about less than 10% of the voting electorate. If we're now complaining about the candidates we have, where are the other candidates motivated to run? If you're a conservative you could argue you had plenty to choose from and then some, they they just didn't win. And if you're a liberal, well you had a binary choice. And with only 10% of the public paying attention, where's the motivation for any candidate wanting to go through that brutal process.
Well we have another binary choice now. Those not willing to accept that (Gary Johnson? Jill Stein? Please) should suck it up and deal.
But there's this phony false equivalency game that I find a lot of people playing whereby they feel they can bash both candidates for more or less the same deals -- and feel some sort of moral high ground, or at the very least better about themselves.
Maybe Hillary is a liar. I'm not naive enough to conclude one way or another. But I'm willing to take a competent, perhaps even over-prepared, liar over an incompetent jerk with no respect for any one or any institution but himself, any day of the week.
Look at the latest data about primary voting. You'll see that it's about less than 10% of the voting electorate. If we're now complaining about the candidates we have, where are the other candidates motivated to run? If you're a conservative you could argue you had plenty to choose from and then some, they they just didn't win. And if you're a liberal, well you had a binary choice. And with only 10% of the public paying attention, where's the motivation for any candidate wanting to go through that brutal process.
Well we have another binary choice now. Those not willing to accept that (Gary Johnson? Jill Stein? Please) should suck it up and deal.
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Absolute garbage from another New York Times liberal. In the debate, Trump said and I quote: "I will look at it at the time. What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time. I'll keep you in suspense." Given all the recent evidence about there being 4 million ineligible registered voters, about Democrat operative admitting while be secretly recorded that Democrats bus people around to vote multiple times, and the clear corruption of the Obama Administration and of Hillary herself, why would any candidate commit to saying that they will accept the result absolutely before the election has taken place. Needless to say, Al Gore challenged the election results in 2000 leading eventually to the Supreme Court decision finalizing the results. Did Trump say he would absolutely challenge the outcome if he loses? No, he didn't. The deceit and hypocrisy in the media is sickening. Clearly, they do not want Trump to be president and will distort reality to hurt him.
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People really need to understand that the allegedly millions of ineligible voters are people who have died but are still on the rolls or people who have moved to another location or state but their names have not been dropped. This figure is completely irrelevant. The key number is the number of ineligible voters who show up and are permitted to vote. I haven't heard anything more than a handful - minimal numbers to sway an election.
(I just don't understand why people keep repeating this silly contention.)
(I just don't understand why people keep repeating this silly contention.)
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Any American in their right mind shouldn't want a pathologically inept person like Trump to be President.
And no one has to try to "distort" him -- he does all that on his own.
And no one has to try to "distort" him -- he does all that on his own.
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Scary? Far scarier for the establishment to strong-arm the people into supporting the election, without protest, of a dishonest politician. Rest assured - there will be a protest. Like nothing you've ever seen before. We will build a wall around Hillary's administration until it collapses and those propping-it-up are in prison.
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I decided long ago Trump was a buffoon, and would have preferred that the Republicans "stiff" him at the convention and nominate someone else. After the "bus-ride" tape came out, I couldn't imagine (and still can't) how anyone could vote for him.
Where I have trouble, though, is with the implication of that on which Clinton supporters insist: That one must, therefore, vote for Clinton, since a third-party vote or no vote is equivalent to a vote for Trump. (It's not equivalent, of course, as a matter of simple arithmetic, but that's not the point here.)
I believed Clinton was largely honest and trustworthy -- a mediocre technocrat, but largely honest and trustworthy, despite the many attacks on her character. After watching her in three debates, however, I'm not so sure. When the question is "Compared to Trump?", she wins. But when the election is over and Clinton no longer "has Trump to kick around" (thank you, Richard Nixon, for that timeless line), many journalists will take a new and critical look at Hillary Clinton. What they'll see, it seems to me, is a President-elect who's mediocre and not exactly honest and trustworthy.
I'll be paying careful attention -- especially to see how she implements (or not) her "no fly zone" in Syria. She claims to understand that shooting down Russian planes could lead to war with Russia (over Syria, lest you forget), but all she came up with was some vague assurance that Russia will honor the no-fly zone. Good luck with that!
Where I have trouble, though, is with the implication of that on which Clinton supporters insist: That one must, therefore, vote for Clinton, since a third-party vote or no vote is equivalent to a vote for Trump. (It's not equivalent, of course, as a matter of simple arithmetic, but that's not the point here.)
I believed Clinton was largely honest and trustworthy -- a mediocre technocrat, but largely honest and trustworthy, despite the many attacks on her character. After watching her in three debates, however, I'm not so sure. When the question is "Compared to Trump?", she wins. But when the election is over and Clinton no longer "has Trump to kick around" (thank you, Richard Nixon, for that timeless line), many journalists will take a new and critical look at Hillary Clinton. What they'll see, it seems to me, is a President-elect who's mediocre and not exactly honest and trustworthy.
I'll be paying careful attention -- especially to see how she implements (or not) her "no fly zone" in Syria. She claims to understand that shooting down Russian planes could lead to war with Russia (over Syria, lest you forget), but all she came up with was some vague assurance that Russia will honor the no-fly zone. Good luck with that!
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I call on all Americans to show your contempt for such an unpatriotic person as Trump by refusing him your vote. This honors George Washington and is the duty of all Americans.
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Donald got hog tied and obliterated....then, clowned.
She had my vote a LONG time ago....but now, I also LIKE her to boot!!
She had my vote a LONG time ago....but now, I also LIKE her to boot!!
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Who is scared that Trump won't accept the results. The only one to fear is the electorate. If they don't accept the result, THEN there is going to be trouble.
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During the campaign, many have alluded to Mr. Trump's "schoolyard" behavior, trying to push people around and set himself up as "The Man." His refusal to accept election results is another schoolyard tactic. He is the guy who brings the nice new Wilson basketball to the Courts so others can have the privilege of playing with it. Hating to lose, he calls phantom fouls during the game and tries to cheat by keeping a fictitious score. Finally, with his team down 10-0 and about to lose, he has a fit on the court and leaves it carrying his nice shiny basketball home.
I am ashamed to know he's from my birthplace of Queens -- albeit a fenced-off island in the middle of the borough. We knew how to handle these boys in the schoolyard -- never pick him for a team and find a better person to bring the ball to the court.
I am ashamed to know he's from my birthplace of Queens -- albeit a fenced-off island in the middle of the borough. We knew how to handle these boys in the schoolyard -- never pick him for a team and find a better person to bring the ball to the court.
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Donald Trump: "Heads I win; tails you rigged."
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Chris Wallace did a terrific job overall as a moderator. However, at the end when he repeatedly tried to get Trump to answer the question on accepting the outcome of the election, he could have ended it by asking, “Can you at least commit today that you will accept the outcome of the election, if you were to win?”
Although this might sound like a facetious question, Trump’s answer would have told us all that we need to know about him.
If Trump had said something like, “Are you being a wise guy, Chris? Of course, I would.” This answer would lay bare Trump’s claim that the system is rigged.
If Trump tried to dismiss the question with a self-deprecating crack, “I’d ask for a recount!” This answer could have helped him actually win over some undecided voters?
And, if Trump had answered in a most uncharacteristic fashion, “Chris, this is not about me winning or losing. It’s about the American people and I will accept whatever choice they make on November 8th!”
But then pigs would have to fly before we heard that answer from Mr. Trump. And yet, it is the only answer that would have made a difference to Trump’s standings in the polls.
But it’s all water under the bridge now, so congratulations Madam President – don’t wait up for that call from Mr. Trump on November 8th – you’ll have to carry on regardless!
Although this might sound like a facetious question, Trump’s answer would have told us all that we need to know about him.
If Trump had said something like, “Are you being a wise guy, Chris? Of course, I would.” This answer would lay bare Trump’s claim that the system is rigged.
If Trump tried to dismiss the question with a self-deprecating crack, “I’d ask for a recount!” This answer could have helped him actually win over some undecided voters?
And, if Trump had answered in a most uncharacteristic fashion, “Chris, this is not about me winning or losing. It’s about the American people and I will accept whatever choice they make on November 8th!”
But then pigs would have to fly before we heard that answer from Mr. Trump. And yet, it is the only answer that would have made a difference to Trump’s standings in the polls.
But it’s all water under the bridge now, so congratulations Madam President – don’t wait up for that call from Mr. Trump on November 8th – you’ll have to carry on regardless!
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When Al Gore refused to accept the results of the 2000 Election, Democrats cheered & encouraged him to challenged the results in court.
But now that the shoe is on the other foot, Democrats jeer Trump.
Why can't Democrats be honest? Why must they always be so hypocritical?
But now that the shoe is on the other foot, Democrats jeer Trump.
Why can't Democrats be honest? Why must they always be so hypocritical?
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Al Gore conceded to Bush after the Supreme Court told Florida to stop the recount.
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Oh, come on. Gore very reasonably asked for a recount in the extremely tight Florida vote (where, by the way, he WON the popular vote). When the Supreme Court stopped the recount, thus handing the presidency to Bush, Gore graciously conceded. Trump's statement that the entire election is rigged against him, and his threat to disrespect the outcome no matter how mathematically clear Clinton's victory is - do not resemble Gore's actions in any way.
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If the election hinges on 500 votes and there is lack of clarity in the vote counting process, then Trump certainly is entitled to a recount.
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The media will not let go of this. But really, what business type person will ever agree without knowing what issues may come about. Would anyone truly agree beforehand? What if there was openly blantant election fraud in one state on election day, would you expect any politician to concede before an investigation? The media is in the tank for Hillary and it is funny watching one commentator after another criticizing Trump over this. I am not a fan of Trump but it is clear the fix is in.
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You're joking, I hope, because you're way, waaay wrong.
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If there was actual evidence of election fraud nobody would take issue with Trump pursuing steps like legal challenge to clarify the situation.
He's been talking about the election being rigged without pointing to any concrete evidence. It's one thing to contest an election which is legitimately close and shrouded in confusion like in 2000. Talking about it for weeks before the election was even held makes it seem like for Trump a loss is itself proof of fraud.
He's been talking about the election being rigged without pointing to any concrete evidence. It's one thing to contest an election which is legitimately close and shrouded in confusion like in 2000. Talking about it for weeks before the election was even held makes it seem like for Trump a loss is itself proof of fraud.
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The "fix"? So the election is rigged?
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If unsure Mr. Trump doesn't understand how democracy works, here’s indisputable proof.
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What if Trump loses the State, and the GOP nominees for Senate and local races win, will that still be in Trump's word, "rigged"?
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Yup. Trump is scary.
HRC stated that Trump's questioning of the legitimacy of election results is "horrifying," and you fault only Trump when:
1. HRC, in conjunction with the DNC, manipulated millions of young idealistic voters who supported the campaign of Bernie Sanders, leading to the resignation of the DNC chairwoman (an unprecedented outcome);
2. HRC refused, like Trump with his taxes, to release the very Wall Street speeches now leaked by Wikileaks, which clearly portray that HRC is at best two-faced, and at worst, has nothing but contempt for millions of voters as she feeds at the Wall Street trough;
3. HRC, and her 15 devices, were all either wiped, destroyed or manipulated, following a congressional subpoena for emails, 33,000 of them, which no one will ever see, because as FBI director Comey state, she was "extremely negligent" with them (at best), abnd at worst compromised national security by again displaying her contempt for proper procedure;
4. HRC, unlike most other defendants similarly situated, was not even prosecuted so that a public trial could ensure the integrity of our justice system and rule of law (let alone the appearance of the attorney general secretly meeting with Bill on her airplane which was only outed by an errant reporter who failed to get the Times memo not to embarrass HRC);
5. Wikilleaks docs show that debate questions were leaked to HRC , and that State gave favors to "friends of Bill";
Yup, Trump's answer sure is scary.
HRC stated that Trump's questioning of the legitimacy of election results is "horrifying," and you fault only Trump when:
1. HRC, in conjunction with the DNC, manipulated millions of young idealistic voters who supported the campaign of Bernie Sanders, leading to the resignation of the DNC chairwoman (an unprecedented outcome);
2. HRC refused, like Trump with his taxes, to release the very Wall Street speeches now leaked by Wikileaks, which clearly portray that HRC is at best two-faced, and at worst, has nothing but contempt for millions of voters as she feeds at the Wall Street trough;
3. HRC, and her 15 devices, were all either wiped, destroyed or manipulated, following a congressional subpoena for emails, 33,000 of them, which no one will ever see, because as FBI director Comey state, she was "extremely negligent" with them (at best), abnd at worst compromised national security by again displaying her contempt for proper procedure;
4. HRC, unlike most other defendants similarly situated, was not even prosecuted so that a public trial could ensure the integrity of our justice system and rule of law (let alone the appearance of the attorney general secretly meeting with Bill on her airplane which was only outed by an errant reporter who failed to get the Times memo not to embarrass HRC);
5. Wikilleaks docs show that debate questions were leaked to HRC , and that State gave favors to "friends of Bill";
Yup, Trump's answer sure is scary.
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And, to expand on your comment, I have no doubt Clinton is and will continue to be a puppet of big money and foreign interests.
Mr Trump is an absolute genius! By exposing liberals freaked out and coming unglued because he took the exact same position Al Gore did in 2000 proves what hyperpartisan irrational illogical fanatics liberals are. Trump 347, liberals 0!
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You are deeply mistaken, "Larry" in Chicago. Gore challenged the results in Florida which were in serious doubt because of irregularities exposed the day of the election voting and immediately thereafter. When he lost the repeated court cases, he accepted the results and went on his way. All of this was resolved rather quickly in about 30 days after the election as I recall.
One aspect of the Florida voting was the confusing "butterfly ballot" which might have caused voters to vote for a candidate they didn't prefer. Also, another problem came from the "hanging chads" on punchcard type ballots where the intentions of the voters were difficult to discern.
What Trump is doing is something far different. He is trying to undermine confidence in American elections and withholding accepting the results, going against the entirety of American traditions to not only accept the validity of an election but to do so willingly, encouraging the success of the winner. Peaceful transition of power is not something to be played with, unless you are a billionaire with no political experience who doesn't care how much trouble he stirs up.
One aspect of the Florida voting was the confusing "butterfly ballot" which might have caused voters to vote for a candidate they didn't prefer. Also, another problem came from the "hanging chads" on punchcard type ballots where the intentions of the voters were difficult to discern.
What Trump is doing is something far different. He is trying to undermine confidence in American elections and withholding accepting the results, going against the entirety of American traditions to not only accept the validity of an election but to do so willingly, encouraging the success of the winner. Peaceful transition of power is not something to be played with, unless you are a billionaire with no political experience who doesn't care how much trouble he stirs up.
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This isn't the position Al Gore took in 2000. This isn't the position *any* presidential candidate took, ever. Trump is *predicting* a rigged outcome, a stolen election. No presidential candidate went into an election announcing that he expects to be cheated out of the presidency. Gore refused to concede *after* the election because Florida state law required a recount in a very close election. Furthermore, because Gore won the popular vote, there was an incentive to wait out the Florida recount to see if the Electoral votes would have the same result as the popular vote. Until Bush vs. Gore, in all but 2 presidential elections, the popular vote winner was the Electoral College winner.
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Lions, and Tigers, and Bears... OH MY !!!!
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All he said is that he will withhold his answer until closer to the election.
But come on, what can he do? If he takes it to court, they will laugh him out of the courtroom. The American people will accept the results no matter what way it goes, at least GOP people will.
If Hillary loses, then you could see issues.
But come on, what can he do? If he takes it to court, they will laugh him out of the courtroom. The American people will accept the results no matter what way it goes, at least GOP people will.
If Hillary loses, then you could see issues.
When the election is over and Trump has been trounced, who will care if he accepts the result? Just ignore him and his supporters from that point on. Oh, I forgot, Gail Collins and the rest of the MSM will care because they need something to write about and will continue to give Trump press coverage! Of course. Better that than covering real, boring issues, like climate change, etc.
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What you are missing is the real possibility that his heavily armed white supremacist supporters may start shooting if Trump claims he won but was cheated by "you know who" I'm talking about. That's why this story matters.
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What you are missing is that the MSM are giving Trump a platform that encourages his rants. There are plenty of nut cases out there who are capable of anything, but who don't get the attention from the MSM that this particular nutcase gets.
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Mr Trump's position is wise given that fact that fraud is a vital component of the Obama/Hillary strategy. Without fraud there would be zero elected Democrats in America
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I am angry at the GOP for tearing this country apart. The so-called moderates embraced the birthers and the tea party with their racist signs and used Fox news to stir up hate and anger.
Now we are all paying the price. Shame on them.
Now we are all paying the price. Shame on them.
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Did I miss the clause in the Constitution that requires the loser to concede the election to the winner?
That is the same Constitution that clearly mandates the process by which we Americans elect our Presidents. Conceding is not part of the process. It's call democracy.
If the Gang at the Editorial Sand Box has a problem with our democratic institutions, they should take a remedial civics course at the local public high school.
That is the same Constitution that clearly mandates the process by which we Americans elect our Presidents. Conceding is not part of the process. It's call democracy.
If the Gang at the Editorial Sand Box has a problem with our democratic institutions, they should take a remedial civics course at the local public high school.
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Among the things Donald Trump could possibly do in lieu of accepting the results:
1. Petition the Supreme Court of overturn the election results
2. Spend countless wasted time declaring the election rigged, have his supporters believe him and thereby cripple any possibility of running the country
3. Rile his supporters so much that they continue to perpetuate acts of violence
and that is just off the top of my head.
1. Petition the Supreme Court of overturn the election results
2. Spend countless wasted time declaring the election rigged, have his supporters believe him and thereby cripple any possibility of running the country
3. Rile his supporters so much that they continue to perpetuate acts of violence
and that is just off the top of my head.
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It's a well honored tradition that helps to maintain political and social stability in our well-armed society.
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Early in the debate Trump said "No one respects women more than me" Later on in the debate he called Hillary "such a nasty woman". What a delusional loser!
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"And if [Trump] still can't get that, then we'll throw him in jail for sedition. I'd be thrilled with that outcome."
We could even remind Trump that the US has a proud tradition of imprisoning complainers for sedition and yet allowing them to run for President from their prison cell -- as Eugene Debs did in 1920, for example, after being convicted of sedition for opposing the US' entry into World War I.
We could even remind Trump that the US has a proud tradition of imprisoning complainers for sedition and yet allowing them to run for President from their prison cell -- as Eugene Debs did in 1920, for example, after being convicted of sedition for opposing the US' entry into World War I.
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Mr Trump was not qualified to hold the Office of the President last year. Nothing has changed other than more confirmation to that fact. Unfortunately, the state of governance in this country has given individuals like Mr. Trump legitimacy. We now have confirmation of a very large number of people who see themselves outside of the political process. History has shown that when large numbers of people are left out, it does not bode well. Finally, with great sadness, we must recognize that our politics are preventing a public, in front of cameras, joint statement from Congress about several points like nuclear weapons and the legitimacy of our democracy have limits to what can be tolerated. Shame on our politicians.
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The Great White Wail is a toad, but too much has been made of this answer. As his deplorables will tell you, he was holding open his options in case it comes down to a Gore vs. Bush type scenario. There were many other times during the long dark teatime of his soul less ness he was more scary during that night.
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He's going to run the country the same way he runs his company--outsource it to China.
Once he has the nuclear codes, he won't have to kowtow to the president of Mexico. If they know what's good for them, they'll build that wall (with any luck, I'll be on the other side when they do).
And, as Commander in Chief, he will get to decide whether to accept election results.
So this is the strong leadership we've been lacking?
Once he has the nuclear codes, he won't have to kowtow to the president of Mexico. If they know what's good for them, they'll build that wall (with any luck, I'll be on the other side when they do).
And, as Commander in Chief, he will get to decide whether to accept election results.
So this is the strong leadership we've been lacking?
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it worked in Germany for about 15th years.
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And this matters why? Am I missing something? It's not like he'll be anything but a private citizen shouting up to the mountain.
Is there some statute of which I am unaware?
As long as the media doesn't feed the frenzy he'll be gone. He can tantrum all he wants and it won't make a bit of difference.
I get that it's deplorable but so minor compared to the most of the odious detritus that has spewed out of his pinched maw as to be hardly noticeable.
Is there some statute of which I am unaware?
As long as the media doesn't feed the frenzy he'll be gone. He can tantrum all he wants and it won't make a bit of difference.
I get that it's deplorable but so minor compared to the most of the odious detritus that has spewed out of his pinched maw as to be hardly noticeable.
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Lets face it folks, it really doesn't matter if Trump accepts or rejects the election results.
He also rejects global warming but his rejection doesn't have any effect on polar bears.
He also rejects global warming but his rejection doesn't have any effect on polar bears.
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You ovesimplify this to the point of incredulity.
Perhaps you should Google Roy Cohn -- then you'd get a better glimpse of what this country would be in for.
Perhaps you should Google Roy Cohn -- then you'd get a better glimpse of what this country would be in for.
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Imagine if Trump were president, and Americans tried to vote him out.
Think Putin. Think Erdogan. Think Hugo Chavez.
Electing Trump would be an extinction level event for American democracy.
Think Putin. Think Erdogan. Think Hugo Chavez.
Electing Trump would be an extinction level event for American democracy.
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Doesn't too much matter whether Trump will accept the results or not. It's what the rest of us think that counts.
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Everybody knows that when Hillary wins, the GOP Congress will continue to sit on their hands and do nothing for the next 4-8 years to help average Americans or the country. They can't tolerate the concept of having a black President, they can't tolerate the concept of having a woman President, and they're more than happy to hold the country hostage indefinitely to make their point.
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If I tell my senator and congressman my concerns and they are acted on then I am satisfied. If you think it always has to be about what the president wants then you might consider Venezuela as a new country of residence.
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Chris Wallace was very specific in asking this question - would Trump accept the outcome win or lose. Therefore, Trump's answer implies he'd wait and see and keep people in suspense in the event he should win.
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I find it difficut to believe that not even more people are disturbed by Trump's answer last night that he may not accept the results of the election.
That put anything else he, or Clinton said during the course of the entire debate to the side.
The fact that we have a presidential nominee who won't accept the democratic choice of the people sent me reeling.
I still am.
That put anything else he, or Clinton said during the course of the entire debate to the side.
The fact that we have a presidential nominee who won't accept the democratic choice of the people sent me reeling.
I still am.
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"I find it difficut to believe that not even more people are disturbed by Trump's answer last night that he may not accept the results of the election."
Why do you care so much whether Trump accepts the outcome? Neither candidate gets to count the votes or declare the winner. If you mean he might incite his supporters to violence, that's always possible, but what little violence has actually occurred so far has been initiated by his opponents' supporters, not by his.
And if all he means is that he might kvetch about the outcome if he loses, how is he different from Al Gore?
Why do you care so much whether Trump accepts the outcome? Neither candidate gets to count the votes or declare the winner. If you mean he might incite his supporters to violence, that's always possible, but what little violence has actually occurred so far has been initiated by his opponents' supporters, not by his.
And if all he means is that he might kvetch about the outcome if he loses, how is he different from Al Gore?
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And your not alone. Undoubtedly millions more are still reeling as well.
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@threecents
WHY do I care??? -- Because unlike yourself, I'm well aware of what the ramifications of such a statement means, and its possible effects on the whole of our society.
Another thing.
If you don't know the difference between Trump and Al Gore, I suggest you Google that election.
But here's a hint:
Al Gore had enough intelligence and class to know when it was time to concede, and never once said he may or may not accept the results of the election.
WHY do I care??? -- Because unlike yourself, I'm well aware of what the ramifications of such a statement means, and its possible effects on the whole of our society.
Another thing.
If you don't know the difference between Trump and Al Gore, I suggest you Google that election.
But here's a hint:
Al Gore had enough intelligence and class to know when it was time to concede, and never once said he may or may not accept the results of the election.
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How ironic that The Donald thinks that the long-overdue critiques of his lies, baseless conspiracy theories and business and moral failures are the product of a rigged system and media collusion rather than journalists finally, finally, finally doing the jobs for which they are paid.
Had the media not rigged the system on the front end and done their homework on this man years ago instead of covering his every utterance verbatim with no fact checking, he wouldn't be the last man standing right now.
Had the media not rigged the system on the front end and done their homework on this man years ago instead of covering his every utterance verbatim with no fact checking, he wouldn't be the last man standing right now.
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Dear Huffy Commenters,
There is a big difference between challenging the results in a close race and refusing to accept the results of a shellacking. Had you asked Al Gore if he would accept the results of the 2000 election prior to Election Day, he would have looked puzzled and said, "Of course." IIRC, he was getting ready to concede when someone looked at the Florida returns and said, "Wait a minute ... "
Trump refusing to commit to acceptance looked like a giant, spoiled, red-faced toddler refusing to take a nap that he clearly needs. But his supporters, steeped in bizarre conspiracy theories and oblivious to facts and reason, no doubt saw a shining knight, valiantly upholding their racist, sexist banner, refusing to lie down and die and ...
Uh oh. I just reminded myself of the Black Knight in The Holy Grail. That'll be Trump on Election Night: "It's just a flesh wound."
There is a big difference between challenging the results in a close race and refusing to accept the results of a shellacking. Had you asked Al Gore if he would accept the results of the 2000 election prior to Election Day, he would have looked puzzled and said, "Of course." IIRC, he was getting ready to concede when someone looked at the Florida returns and said, "Wait a minute ... "
Trump refusing to commit to acceptance looked like a giant, spoiled, red-faced toddler refusing to take a nap that he clearly needs. But his supporters, steeped in bizarre conspiracy theories and oblivious to facts and reason, no doubt saw a shining knight, valiantly upholding their racist, sexist banner, refusing to lie down and die and ...
Uh oh. I just reminded myself of the Black Knight in The Holy Grail. That'll be Trump on Election Night: "It's just a flesh wound."
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Ah, Gore is different from Trump on this! Thanks for clarifying that. Here I'd been mistakenly thinking we were seeing exactly the same sort of tantrum we've been seeing from Al Gore and his supporters for the past 16 years.
Let's get serious here. Officially, who cares whether Trump (or Clinton, or you, or I, or Smokey the Bear) "accepts" the results? The winner will be inaugurated next January 20 whether the loser likes it or not.
Unofficially, the loser can complain all he or she likes, for as long as he or she likes. That's called "free speech," and it's a big deal here in the US (or at least usually is). We've been listening to Gore and Gore supporters complain about the 2000 election for 16 years now, and that's not likely to stop any time soon.
If that's all Trump means, so be it. Who cares?
Some suggest, of course, that he'll incite his supporters to violence, or perhaps that they'll become violent on their own. That's possible, of course, but -- once again -- let's get real here. Do we have any basis to predict that? With almost no exceptions, what violence has occurred in this campaign has been initiated by opponents of Trump supporters, not by Trump supporters.
Let's get serious here. Officially, who cares whether Trump (or Clinton, or you, or I, or Smokey the Bear) "accepts" the results? The winner will be inaugurated next January 20 whether the loser likes it or not.
Unofficially, the loser can complain all he or she likes, for as long as he or she likes. That's called "free speech," and it's a big deal here in the US (or at least usually is). We've been listening to Gore and Gore supporters complain about the 2000 election for 16 years now, and that's not likely to stop any time soon.
If that's all Trump means, so be it. Who cares?
Some suggest, of course, that he'll incite his supporters to violence, or perhaps that they'll become violent on their own. That's possible, of course, but -- once again -- let's get real here. Do we have any basis to predict that? With almost no exceptions, what violence has occurred in this campaign has been initiated by opponents of Trump supporters, not by Trump supporters.
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But Al Gore did indeed legally contest the certified results of the 2000 election.
Name three times in the past ten years when Al Gore moped publicly about losing that election.
Those of us who voted for him were furious. We questioned the reasoning behind the SCOTUS decision; the credibility of figures from Florida, where the winner's brother was governor; whether thousands of black voters were disenfranchised, and we still wonder if there would have been a terrorist attack on 9/11/01.
Having four years of briefings about Al Qaeda, Gore would not have ignored an intelligence report about men learning to fly but not to land. No 9/11, no Iraq war, the surplus Bill Clinton left us would have swelled even more and thousands of US soldiers would still have the requisite number of arms and legs.
Here's the thing, though: We united, organized and put Barack Obama in the White House. In a few days we will elect our first female president. With any luck we will also remove some of the delusional Tea Party members of Congress and start seeing some progress on pressing needs like infrastructure update and repair.
Meanwhile, the GOP seems to be collapsing in on itself. Their presidential candidates have gotten weirder with every cycle. The weirdest one of all can't believe he's going to lose and is trying to convince everyone that it's not because he is a crude bigot, a mysogynist predator and con artist and grossly unqualified for the job, but because someone cheated.
That's a tantrum. The other is politics, the way they are supposed to be played.
Those of us who voted for him were furious. We questioned the reasoning behind the SCOTUS decision; the credibility of figures from Florida, where the winner's brother was governor; whether thousands of black voters were disenfranchised, and we still wonder if there would have been a terrorist attack on 9/11/01.
Having four years of briefings about Al Qaeda, Gore would not have ignored an intelligence report about men learning to fly but not to land. No 9/11, no Iraq war, the surplus Bill Clinton left us would have swelled even more and thousands of US soldiers would still have the requisite number of arms and legs.
Here's the thing, though: We united, organized and put Barack Obama in the White House. In a few days we will elect our first female president. With any luck we will also remove some of the delusional Tea Party members of Congress and start seeing some progress on pressing needs like infrastructure update and repair.
Meanwhile, the GOP seems to be collapsing in on itself. Their presidential candidates have gotten weirder with every cycle. The weirdest one of all can't believe he's going to lose and is trying to convince everyone that it's not because he is a crude bigot, a mysogynist predator and con artist and grossly unqualified for the job, but because someone cheated.
That's a tantrum. The other is politics, the way they are supposed to be played.
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Amusing how the Left forgets the Gore non-acceptance of the Florida count.
Of course, it was Dem being an idiot then, so they could accept that.
Of course, it was Dem being an idiot then, so they could accept that.
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Trump's campaign manager's attempt to spin his outrageous debate comment by saying that he would indeed accept the results of the election because he expects to win is tantamount to the con man's favorite rule: "Heads I win, tails you lose." Obviously, the word "democracy" is not in the candidate's vocabulary.
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What seems to have escaped discussion is that unlike Warren Buffet and others he mentions, Trump pays NO taxes. Imagine the burden on infrastructure caused by Trump. His dependence on roads, bridges, water, emergency services is vast compared to those of us in the middle class who actually DO pay taxes to support them.
You and I subsidize the Donald Trump empire.
You and I subsidize the Donald Trump empire.
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I think the mainstream media and the RNC need to do as much as possible to educate the public on how elections are conducted in every state. They need to stress how rare voter fraud actually occurs. The RNC is significantly responsible for this issue because they have used highly exaggerated claims of voter fraud to justify voter id laws. The real objective of these laws was not to address an essentially non-existent problem, but to add another obstacle to minority participation in elections.
Throughout his political career, the press has allowed Trump to get away with a constant stream of vague innuendos. From his birther investigators in finding out "all sorts of things" in Hawaii, to his now seeing "horrible things" regarding voter fraud. The press should relentlessly demand "what things" and as someone participating in a presidential election, how is he seeing these things. It's hard to imagine Trump surreptitiously driving around in his motorcade, uncovering people tampering with voting machines. It is long passed time for the press to aggressively challenge Trump's suggestive but never definitive statements. "What things and how on earth did you see them."
Throughout his political career, the press has allowed Trump to get away with a constant stream of vague innuendos. From his birther investigators in finding out "all sorts of things" in Hawaii, to his now seeing "horrible things" regarding voter fraud. The press should relentlessly demand "what things" and as someone participating in a presidential election, how is he seeing these things. It's hard to imagine Trump surreptitiously driving around in his motorcade, uncovering people tampering with voting machines. It is long passed time for the press to aggressively challenge Trump's suggestive but never definitive statements. "What things and how on earth did you see them."
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I just read on CNN.com that Trump's son just said running for president is a "step down" for the Trump clan. Any patriotic American has to be outraged at that. The presidency is the nation's highest office and holds the people's highest trust. But the Trumps apparently just see it as another trophy, another lifestyle, another business. And apparently not even as good as whatever they've got right now. No wonder Trump is so casual about undermining the bedrock values of democracy. He doesn't see it as we do - something sacrosanct that we must hold dear or we will lose the freedoms so many of us take for granted.
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I saw that, as well. But rather than be outraged, I was just amused. After all, this is a kid who shoots animals and poses proudly with their bloody carcasses and body parts. His opinion means nothing.
The Trumps are just Kardashians. Not worthy of outrage, just bored disdain.
The Trumps are just Kardashians. Not worthy of outrage, just bored disdain.
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Okay, here is another total contradiction and hypocrisy on the part of the left. In 2000 did the left and their candidate accept the results of that election between Al Gore and GW Bush? No. Did they insist on a recount? Yes. Did they completely accept the recount results? No. The Supreme Court had to decide the issue. But Trump alludes to the possibility of voter fraud which is probable in this election and you guys attack him ruthlessly.
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And, not only did the Supreme Court need to get involved, the Democrats - as evidenced in these comments - have been nursing that wound for 16 years. Let it go. Things will work out.
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SCOTUS stopped the recount in the midfle. Al Gore accepted that decision.
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"Later on CNN, his campaign manager said Trump would indeed accept the results “because he’s going to win the election.”"
That post-debate spin makes it better? The Trump campaign is basically saying it will accept the election results only if he wins.
That post-debate spin makes it better? The Trump campaign is basically saying it will accept the election results only if he wins.
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There are over 13 examples of democratic candidates or affiliates all saying the same thing and reserving the right to question an election over the years.
Trump would be a chump to agree before the results are in.
But the hypocrisy from the left is so predictable and they love to ignore their transgressions and project them on others.
Nothing Trump has ever done or said even remotely rises to level of corruption, cronyism, and very questionable national security lapses exhibited by Hillary - Trump was correct last night in saying she should not even be allowed to run for president given her transgressions, lapses, and corruption.
This is a change election - you folks just do not seem to get it - people are sick and tried of Washington ripping us off, wasting our taxes, not listening trading us like they
Trump would be a chump to agree before the results are in.
But the hypocrisy from the left is so predictable and they love to ignore their transgressions and project them on others.
Nothing Trump has ever done or said even remotely rises to level of corruption, cronyism, and very questionable national security lapses exhibited by Hillary - Trump was correct last night in saying she should not even be allowed to run for president given her transgressions, lapses, and corruption.
This is a change election - you folks just do not seem to get it - people are sick and tried of Washington ripping us off, wasting our taxes, not listening trading us like they
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At least they are not wasting Trump's taxes.
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firstly you have NO idea what Trump has paid in taxes or not it's all pure supposition on your part - and we DO pay lots of other hidden taxes forced on us by the government and it's of course okay that Apple, Facebook, Soros, Buffett, etc., and every other mega rich person does takes advantage of the same tax laws that were written by those very establishment pols.
Get off the moralizing with the government waste, corruption, and duplication reaching an estimated 200 Million to 1 Trillion $'s the establishment pols have a racket.
The bloated, ineffective, inefficient corrupt, crony federal blob and the professional politicians are the problem - you all only have yourselves to blame for the rise of Trump - especially progressives have over played their hand under the Obama regime and now the pols are sick of it.
Remember "BREXIT"!!!
Get off the moralizing with the government waste, corruption, and duplication reaching an estimated 200 Million to 1 Trillion $'s the establishment pols have a racket.
The bloated, ineffective, inefficient corrupt, crony federal blob and the professional politicians are the problem - you all only have yourselves to blame for the rise of Trump - especially progressives have over played their hand under the Obama regime and now the pols are sick of it.
Remember "BREXIT"!!!
Well then may we shouldn't accept the election results if the Republican retain control of the House and Senate.
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It is strange that Hillary worries so much about toddlers and very little about late term abortions. What a difference a few months make in the importance of the life of a child.
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Abortion is legal and has been for many years. It will continue to be legal. Constantly trying to make abortion into a campaign issue is a lost cause, thank goodness.
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Late term abortions are very rare, if you paid any attention to real news you would know that and you would know about the circumstances of those procedures.
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Last-minute abortions are a straw man. They are already regulated--or not--by the states. Furthermore, they don't happen without a severe risk to the mother's life or health or an inviable fetus. Nobody just walks into a doctor's office 9 months' pregnant and demands the abortion of a viable fetus. And if they did, no doctor would agree. Remember the woman in Ireland who died giving birth to a baby that was already dead? She begged for her life, but the law said that abortion was illegal. What if that were you or your daughter? Or anyone?
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HC was in command. Ridiculing the buffoon and unqualified Trump. This debate was about winning the Presidency not answering important questions (rawebb from Little Rock), i.e. scoring points with the undecideds. I don't have much good to say about the uneducated electorate in this country. 3 and 0 in debates President Clinton has saved this country from the possibility of an embarrassing and/or dangerous Trump Presidency. Congratulations, lets move on. Its time for a woman President and Mrs. Clinton is the most qualified from either sex..
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"I would say Trump was honest. What if another Gore v Bush came up?"
I couldn't care less whether Trump "accepts" the result or not.
Some commenters suggest he means more than that, of course -- that he'll send goose-stepping brown-shirted supporters into the streets with flaming torches. Maybe, but there's no basis for that prediction. With almost no exceptions, the violence that's occurred in this campaign has been initiated by Trump supporters' opponents, not by Trump supporters. Maybe that will change, but we have no reason to think that. One can speculate without any basis, but that's all it is: baseless speculation.
I took Trump to mean exactly what we've seen from Al Gore and his supporters for 16 years. He'll reserve the right to claim the election was "stolen" from him by official toadies beholden to his opponent (the modern-day Kathleen Brown, I suppose), or that some third-party candidate (the 2016 "Ralph Nader," I suppose) is responsible for the election of George W. Bush, the Iraq War, even 9/11!
If that's what Trump means, I promise: I'll pay just as much attention as I've paid to the hand-wringing laments of Gore supporters for the past 16 years.
I couldn't care less whether Trump "accepts" the result or not.
Some commenters suggest he means more than that, of course -- that he'll send goose-stepping brown-shirted supporters into the streets with flaming torches. Maybe, but there's no basis for that prediction. With almost no exceptions, the violence that's occurred in this campaign has been initiated by Trump supporters' opponents, not by Trump supporters. Maybe that will change, but we have no reason to think that. One can speculate without any basis, but that's all it is: baseless speculation.
I took Trump to mean exactly what we've seen from Al Gore and his supporters for 16 years. He'll reserve the right to claim the election was "stolen" from him by official toadies beholden to his opponent (the modern-day Kathleen Brown, I suppose), or that some third-party candidate (the 2016 "Ralph Nader," I suppose) is responsible for the election of George W. Bush, the Iraq War, even 9/11!
If that's what Trump means, I promise: I'll pay just as much attention as I've paid to the hand-wringing laments of Gore supporters for the past 16 years.
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Mr. Trump's refusal to respect the results of the election is appalling. However, it should be emphasized that most of Mr. Trump's responses to the question lacked any real substance. For example, on the question regarding entitlements, he went on a rant about Obama care. Does he not realize this is different from Medicare and Social Security? One question I wish the media would ask every candidate is how they are going to work with our dysfunctional Congress to enact legislation. The act of governing and being able to craft legislation that can pass Congress is central to our form of government, yet no time or energy from the press or pundits is spent on this. The President can propose until he or she is blue in the face, but unless they can get 60 votes in the Senate, it's all for nothing. Our congress is a national embarrassment. Dealing with this situation should be front and center in any policy discussion.
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How can one refuse to respect the results of an election that hasn't happened yet?
What he said was "I will tell you at the time. … I’ll keep you in suspense".
What he said was "I will tell you at the time. … I’ll keep you in suspense".
Don't worry, baby. The moment the networks call the election, Trump will cease to have any relevance whatsoever. sour grapes will be all that's left.
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"He promised to run the country 'the way I run my company,' and a great part of the listening public contemplated the fact that this is a guy who’s declared bankruptcy six times."
Yep--that's exactly what I thought when he said that.
Yep--that's exactly what I thought when he said that.
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T rump says he will keep US in suspense regarding him accepting the results of this election. I would like to point out, again, that republicans did not accept the last four elections that sent democrats to the White House.
The entire party does not believe in our democracy and that is what should be scaring the bejeezus out of all of US.
The entire party does not believe in our democracy and that is what should be scaring the bejeezus out of all of US.
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Donald deserves an Emmy for his masterful portrayal of a coherent and viable candidate for President.
He may not be a rational human being, but he plays one on TV.
He may not be a rational human being, but he plays one on TV.
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The official results of the election are NOT in Donald Trump's head. They are in the hands of the American voters.
When election day rolls around and the tallies start coming in, we won't keep The Donald "in suspense" for very long.
When election day rolls around and the tallies start coming in, we won't keep The Donald "in suspense" for very long.
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Readers. 99 percent of us were not surprised at last night's Republican Party disaster. The Republican Party's downward spiral into last night's flaming crash has been long coming. Some might claim Trump hijacked the party, but that would be wrong; the Republican Party has groomed its base for decades and the Republican base nominated the basest Republican (his nomination was not RIGGED; Trump is the Republican Party, the Republican Party is Trump.)
So last night, Democrats sent a knowledgeable, intelligent, thoughtful, skilled, compassionate, patriotic lady to the debate; Republicans sent a petulant boy whose insults fell flat and whose patriotism leans toward Russia. The Republican Party cannot divorce itself from their nominee who is the poster boy for their party values: Republicans admire Vladimir Putin, invite Russia to hack into our government, do not accept democratic election results unless they win (and they won't steal this election with a Republican SCOTUS!)
The Republican Party is doing great harm to America. They called President Obama illegitimate, they worked to make him fail, they try to embarrass him on the world stage. Now the Republican Party is backing a Putin puppet.
It is not just Trump that must be defeated in November. America must reject the Republican candidates in every election. We cannot have another 8-years of Republican subversion of government. Our country cannot heal if Republicans are left to infect the wounds they have inflicted.
So last night, Democrats sent a knowledgeable, intelligent, thoughtful, skilled, compassionate, patriotic lady to the debate; Republicans sent a petulant boy whose insults fell flat and whose patriotism leans toward Russia. The Republican Party cannot divorce itself from their nominee who is the poster boy for their party values: Republicans admire Vladimir Putin, invite Russia to hack into our government, do not accept democratic election results unless they win (and they won't steal this election with a Republican SCOTUS!)
The Republican Party is doing great harm to America. They called President Obama illegitimate, they worked to make him fail, they try to embarrass him on the world stage. Now the Republican Party is backing a Putin puppet.
It is not just Trump that must be defeated in November. America must reject the Republican candidates in every election. We cannot have another 8-years of Republican subversion of government. Our country cannot heal if Republicans are left to infect the wounds they have inflicted.
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A lot of nasty women and bad hombres will be going to the polls in November to make sure this clown is nowhere near the nuclear codes.
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Best comment of the day. Thank you.
"I'll keep you in suspense." Here he betrays his utter unfitness for the most powerful position on earth. This is the tactic of a huckster, a pathological narcissist, a reality TV "star" who wants the audience to keep tuning in for the final episode, so the ratings go through the roof. It doesn't matter that what he is doing undermines the essence of our democracy — the only important thing to him is feeding his narcissism, even if the Republic goes up in flames. How can anyone vote for a man like this???
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It is important as another writer noted here to reminder that The Donald and the GOP are united in this conspiracy of the idea that elections can be rigged, particularly in urban areas where minorities, among others, live. His son-in-law Jared Kushner is in negotiations for a cable tv show following the election. The cynicism of The Donald and the "reality" of his presence in this election are not in fact due to just him but are a product of the GOP's machinations during the last eight years. Labelling POTUS as ineligible for years, pushing McConnell's statement after Obama's victory that the GOP would thwart POTUS throughout his presidency. They tried and have succeeded in many ways through the present refusal to consider a judge appointed to the Supreme Court by POTUS. By the choice of a businessman, failed in many ways yet wealthy, in this race, is it any surprise The Donald has no regard for the myriad ways the government works from elections to economics to foreign policy?
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The only way this trashy con man will ever be able to enter into the White House will be to get in line outside with the tourists who want to see what this temple to truth and democracy looks like inside.
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Temple of truth and democracy. That's funny!
Donald Trump has confused the office of president with "King of the Country." He doesn't seem to understand that officials don't have absolute power and they have to work with one another.
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Who cares if he doesn't accept the results? Why did media give him so much attention when he was on the birther train? why attract vermin when we have such important issues to address?
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Trump is a cruel joke foisted on our country by Vladimir Putin. Who knew that the Manchurian candidate was a KGB plant, who openly mocks how weak the US is compared to Russia and China. Some day we will figure out how Putin rigged the Republican primary, drugged Jeb and Marco, caused Ted to short circuit at critical moments, and pulled the strings to finally hand the presidency to Trump. It was all done in the open - Trump himself bragged about the rigged elections!
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Where is the Republican condemnation of Trump's answer to the question of accepting the results of the election? This is a foundation of our democracy. Do they not have ANY courage or sense of what is right?
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Simple answer is "no." Whatever it once was or might have been, it is now a party bereft of any guiding principles -- except for the acquisition and exercise of political power -- currently cowering in a corner and hoping nobody notices them.
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Nasty? Not attractive enough? Not pretty enough to grope? Lucky Hillary. Every time this clownish buffoon uses a negative label about someone else it is usually a very apt adjective to describe himself. Nasty? She's not threatening to throw him in jail.
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I almost feel sorry for the guy. Can you imagine what it must be like for an ego as huge as Trump's, with the contempt and disrespect he has for women running through every cell in his body, to be handed his rear end on a platter by a woman? I can just see him in a dark room somewhere in the wee hours of the morning after the debate, grinding his teeth in utter fury.
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Well, that would be par for the course because the overriding emotion that Trump expresses for virtually everything is anger. He is a very angry man who has no place near diplomatic circles.
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And that intense anger comes from intense fear, like all anger. Inside, the man is an abject coward.
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Before you feel too sorry for him, I'm reminded of a movie passage, which paraphrased for the current situation would be:
"Listen, and understand! Trump is out there! He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And he absolutely will not stop, ever..."
So let's get the election behind us before taking pity on Donald Trump.
"Listen, and understand! Trump is out there! He can't be bargained with. He can't be reasoned with. He doesn't feel pity, or remorse, or fear! And he absolutely will not stop, ever..."
So let's get the election behind us before taking pity on Donald Trump.
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Well, everyone seems to forget Bush V. Gore when Al Gore challenged the election of 2000. I guess that was ok because he was a Democrat. In any event, the election is rigged in a very real sense. Media coverage is highly slanted with Democrat operatives working at the NYT, WaPo, CNN ( Hi Donna!), CBS, NBC and, obviously (Hi George!) ABC. Then we have the tapes of Clinton operatives working in collusion with the DNC and the Obama White House to violently disrupt Trump rallies (roll tape). Methinks the NYT and its Democrat operatives doth protest too much.
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I could care less whether or not Trump accepts his loss - his narcissism will insist on being a sore loser.
What I do care about - and what every American needs to care about - is whether or not the American Congress will accept this election result, and the inevitably of a President Hillary Clinton.
If the Republicans are gearing up for another 4 to 8 years of auto pilot obstructionism, it will not just be Trump's loss...it will be ours.
What I do care about - and what every American needs to care about - is whether or not the American Congress will accept this election result, and the inevitably of a President Hillary Clinton.
If the Republicans are gearing up for another 4 to 8 years of auto pilot obstructionism, it will not just be Trump's loss...it will be ours.
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What a small petty man! He can't believe he is getting beaten by a girl. He is not "keeping us in suspense" maybe disgust is more accurate.
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Trump supporters who agree with their candidate that the election is rigged ought not bother to show up at the polls, since he is going to lose anyway no matter how they vote. Better let the dupes who think the US is a democracy stand in line for nothing.
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Your looking for the best example to follow, neither of them are. If I were you, I'd pick one who is able to take control of the national and global economy, rather than one whose beautiful ideas are only that, but not relevant to what you really need. USA has forgotten the roots of its origin, it'd be nice to look at what you used to follow as nation, not man or woman but God.
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Pays no taxes, uses Chinese steel & aluminum, declares multiple bankruptcies, thus dodging his creditors, yet it's up to the Democratic Party & Hillary Clinton to stop him? No wonder the Republican base admires him so. This guy's lapel pin should be the Jolly Roger.
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I recall Gore and his crowd not accepting the results of the election. They cried "foul" for years, claiming that the election was "stolen"!
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It was. But compare and contrast this man - he's making excuses before the result has even been tabulated. No Supreme court intervention - no hanging chads - just a dog whistle to followers to go feral if they lose.
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Gore's people were contesting a set of ballots in a single state, after good evidence, like the butterfly ballot, showed that this squeaker of an election was clearly up for grabs. Trump is preemptively calling the whole system a sham--before the election. Very different things.
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The Supreme Court did not allow the recount in Florida to continue. So in effect we, the American people, don't really know if the election results were legitimate or not.
However, I don't recall whining. Gore conceded. End of story.
However, I don't recall whining. Gore conceded. End of story.
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Diehard Bernie supporters we need you to vote for - Bernie Sanders, Jill Stein's and Hillary Clinton's reality for America - by voting for Hillary.
Which reality do you want?
* Sanders, Stein, Clinton Reality
or
* Donald Trump - and - all of his - White America Only - Mandatory Religious Testing Reality?
This is what is comes down to.
Which reality do you want?
* Sanders, Stein, Clinton Reality
or
* Donald Trump - and - all of his - White America Only - Mandatory Religious Testing Reality?
This is what is comes down to.
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Let's imagine he doesn't win and the press stops giving him so much attention. Is it possible that then, it won't matter what he says about accepting the results?
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If it's close, whoever is 2nd may have the right to demand a recount in some states. At this point, neither should be required to waive that right.
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Remember Al Gore who didn't accept the results? https://news.grabien.com/story-flashback-gore-refuses-concede-election-d...
"Al Gore, speaking from the White House the week after having lost the general election, explains why he refused to concede the race:
"The effort that I have underway is simply to make sure that all of the votes are counted, and when the issues that are now being considered in the Florida Supreme Court are decided, that will be an important point. But I don't want to speculate what the court will do."
"Al Gore, speaking from the White House the week after having lost the general election, explains why he refused to concede the race:
"The effort that I have underway is simply to make sure that all of the votes are counted, and when the issues that are now being considered in the Florida Supreme Court are decided, that will be an important point. But I don't want to speculate what the court will do."
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My theory about Trump and voter fraud is that he has never voted and doesn't realize how difficult it would be for a person to vote more than once. The same goes for those who support him. If they had ever voted, they would know it's not so easy.
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Mrs. Clinton sorely needs to win this election. And all last night did was confirm what we know about both candidates. Yes, Trump out did himself again, but he always does so that is sort of old news.
If I could give some advice to Mrs. Clinton, her commentary on the Supreme Court should have been based on principal first, then she could have carefully delved into the social issues the court sometimes faces. She knows better than that.
If I could give some advice to Mrs. Clinton, her commentary on the Supreme Court should have been based on principal first, then she could have carefully delved into the social issues the court sometimes faces. She knows better than that.
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Clinton does not "sorely need" to be president. What an arrogant statement.
How are his supporters going to explain this comment by their candidate. Does he actually mean that he would reject the will of the people if they did not will he become president.
No comments yet from supporters. Guess they don't know what to say.
No comments yet from supporters. Guess they don't know what to say.
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A highly reputable study shows 31 cases of voter fraud per a billion ballots. Anything involving scientific or statistical measure is dismissed by Trump, surrogates, and supporters. I think it may have been Garrison Keillor who once said, "Stupid and proud of it."
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Mr. Trump is merely using our democratic election as a platform to provide an infomercial to 37% of the American people to watch his new cable channel programs.
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There is active right wing voter suppression. Racist gerrymandering. General depression and demoralization of large segments of the population. The feeling that you have next to no impact on things. The differences let's say between Clinton and Trump are significant, particularly in terms of the massive horror a Trump victory can issue in. Still a neo-liberal hawk (with some mildly progressive policies and vague humanistic impulses) vs. a monomaniacal unhinged brute, with a bitter hate filled mobilized following is not exactly something that fills you with much hope. Particularly when you know the minute you vote for Clinton you are triangulated into her basket of disposables.
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I've got some news for the Donald. He may not want to accept the election results. He may rail against it and make up all sorts of lies to excuse what a loser he is.
But we're going to make him accept the results, as a nation. We're going to pound it into his head that he lost because he's completely unacceptable as a president, or any elected official. We'll make it clear to him that his bigotry, sexism, fascism, ignorance, lack of self-control, and many other negatives, are why he lost.
And if he still can't get that, then we'll throw him in jail for sedition. I'd be thrilled with that outcome.
But we're going to make him accept the results, as a nation. We're going to pound it into his head that he lost because he's completely unacceptable as a president, or any elected official. We'll make it clear to him that his bigotry, sexism, fascism, ignorance, lack of self-control, and many other negatives, are why he lost.
And if he still can't get that, then we'll throw him in jail for sedition. I'd be thrilled with that outcome.
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We couldn't believe what we have been hearing and seeing in the debates. The orange mutant trying his best to drag down the calm and collected Hillary into the gutter. She responds with "nasty" surgical precision and demolishes him.
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My reaction when Trump said he might not accept the election results was "Who cares?" Last time I heard, the candidates don't get to count the votes, and the outcome stands whether the loser likes it or not.
There is, of course, the implicit suggestion that Trump's disappointed supporters will don brown shirts and march through the streets carrying makeshift torches. But I see no basis for that worry. What little violence has occurred in this campaign has been largely the fault of Trump supporters' opponents, not the Trump supporters.
So I'm back to my original reaction: "Who cares?"
There is, of course, the implicit suggestion that Trump's disappointed supporters will don brown shirts and march through the streets carrying makeshift torches. But I see no basis for that worry. What little violence has occurred in this campaign has been largely the fault of Trump supporters' opponents, not the Trump supporters.
So I'm back to my original reaction: "Who cares?"
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Mr. Trump would be the perfect example of a Greek tragedy if he possessed any trace of nobility whatsoever.
But, as is, he aspires to being a farce, a travesty, and a pathetic joke.
But, as is, he aspires to being a farce, a travesty, and a pathetic joke.
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I expect to hear some wicked rhetoric at his next Nuremberg-like rallies against Clinton after this debacle. I don't think Donald has the maturity to act in a civil manner and so the next couple of weeks are going to be pretty frightful.
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Apparently Trump is preparing himself for his next gig, a new mashup beauty contest reality show called, "Sore Loser." Participants of both genders compete to see who amongst themselves had the worst losing experience and an obligatory bikini competition only for the female participants. The show ends with Sore Loser Trump stating, "That's nothing, when I ran for president...."
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No candidate in my memory, and I'm not a spring chicken, has ever even been asked if he would accept the results of the election! It was understood, for heaven's sake; that's how the process works. Talk about a low bar!
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I can already hear the scurrying sound of footsteps as the top Republicans on Capitol Hill run from reporters muttering "No comment" when they are asked about this, all the while popping Alka Seltzer like they're jujubees. They're a bunch of useless cowards counting down the days till Nov 9 and we all know it.
Trump's remarks are horrifying, and have been escalating in scale. Last debate he was threatening to jail his opponent, he's been talking of a rigged election for months and egging on his supporters to "watch" for fraud (I.e. Intimidate all who would vote for Hillary) and this time he threatened to destroy the orderly transfer of power that has been the hallmark of our democracy just because he's a pouter and whiner. I have no doubt he'll stir up trouble over this, but I don't think the end result will be as bad as people fear. The die hard supporters will scream for a few weeks and be recalcitrant like spoiled teenagers for the next 4-8 years, but any true insurrection will be unlikely, wholly because of the disorganized way Trump has done things his whole campaign. There isn't enough true coordination. We may have a couple of places with trouble, but it will die down.
The real horror is the damage he has done to our image around the world and how he has exposed to everyone how easy it is for democracy to be destroyed. Reagan said "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction" and sadly enough, he was right.
Trump's remarks are horrifying, and have been escalating in scale. Last debate he was threatening to jail his opponent, he's been talking of a rigged election for months and egging on his supporters to "watch" for fraud (I.e. Intimidate all who would vote for Hillary) and this time he threatened to destroy the orderly transfer of power that has been the hallmark of our democracy just because he's a pouter and whiner. I have no doubt he'll stir up trouble over this, but I don't think the end result will be as bad as people fear. The die hard supporters will scream for a few weeks and be recalcitrant like spoiled teenagers for the next 4-8 years, but any true insurrection will be unlikely, wholly because of the disorganized way Trump has done things his whole campaign. There isn't enough true coordination. We may have a couple of places with trouble, but it will die down.
The real horror is the damage he has done to our image around the world and how he has exposed to everyone how easy it is for democracy to be destroyed. Reagan said "Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction" and sadly enough, he was right.
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I have commented a few times that I find it hard to laugh about Trump any more. But at this point, I think laughing is what we need to do. Every time Trump appears, every time he opens his mouth, loads of people need to be there, pointing and laughing AT him. He is so ludicrous at this point that he is a caricature of ludicrousness. So come on, people, let's guffaw. Let's laugh until we cry. Let's roll on the floor, laughing ourselves into a frenzy. Let's point right at him and laugh. It's what Trump deserves. And boy, will it make him even more unhinged.
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Look at him. I mean—look at him. I don't think so.
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If Hillary is a nasty woman then I guess I like nasty women. Brilliantly smart, hyper competent, strong and tough nasty women. Fine by me.
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He'll keep us in suspense? {sigh and eye roll} As if we needed any more evidence that the man is delusional, he offers it to us on the proverbial silver platter. Would someone - Ivanka? Kellye? - please inform him that after the votes are tallied, there is no more "suspense", only a vast sigh of relief that at least the voting part of this electoral nightmare is over. The ones most interested in what the Con Don has to spout after the election will in all likelihood be the law enforcement officials responsible for public safety, who will have to gauge the response of basest of his base, many of whom will be well armed. But our law enforcement agencies have been braced for attacks by terrorists for years. They're ready.
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Bottom line:
Trump doesn't like to be called a loser and can't accept it like the spoiled child he is. I don't know how anyone can support a Presidential candidate who hasn't paid federal taxes like the rest of us? And here is someone bragging about groping women and saying "no one respects women more than I do." I think "deplorable" fits after all.
Trump doesn't like to be called a loser and can't accept it like the spoiled child he is. I don't know how anyone can support a Presidential candidate who hasn't paid federal taxes like the rest of us? And here is someone bragging about groping women and saying "no one respects women more than I do." I think "deplorable" fits after all.
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Hold on! He has appears to be saying that he might not accept the presidency if he wins! So, all of this is just free publicity for his various ventures?
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The real scary parts are the people who believe everything he says is true. Blind faith because he has completed the circle of lies to include the free press, politicians and everyone who disagrees with him.
2
I guess we now know why Ryan and McConnell won't renounce Trump and why congress has refused to even review Merrick Garland. Obviously, the whole thing is a set up.
Trump will contest the election. The split Supreme Court will deadlock and then the election will be decided by some Lilliputian technicality. It's the only way the republicans can win because they can't gerrymander the electoral college.
Trump will contest the election. The split Supreme Court will deadlock and then the election will be decided by some Lilliputian technicality. It's the only way the republicans can win because they can't gerrymander the electoral college.
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If there is violence over the outcome of the election, I hope Trump is the first one arrested.
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Mr. Trump's response to the statement about his use of Chinese steel in his buildings is that Hillary should have changed the laws. I wonder whether our Nation's laws are the only thing holding him back from other and worse ethical acts.
8
We expect the The King of Denial or Pumpkin Head to change his stripes. He is exactly what we have seen all these years. A very scary clown staking the American public to steal all he get.
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The GOP leadership that have not thrown this clown under the bus have some 'splaining to do. They are as despicable as he is. Guilt by association. Guilt by ignoring the elephant in the room, guilt by pandering, guilt by George.
2
It's funny how "the media is rigged" now that various publications are fully examining Trump's background and statements, but Trump had no complaints when the reporting of his antics resulted in millions of free advertising.
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"Clinton was not particularly good in defending the Clinton Foundation."
No kidding. She completely dodged Wallace's question, which dealt with the foundation's pay to play. Didn't touch the questions. Didn't acknowledge that Wallace so much as asked such the question. Clinton, as if she'd been invited to orate on the glorious deeds of the foundation, did just that. We who were gathered together to watch the debate, and will hold our noses and vote for Clinton, gasped at her impertinence.
No kidding. She completely dodged Wallace's question, which dealt with the foundation's pay to play. Didn't touch the questions. Didn't acknowledge that Wallace so much as asked such the question. Clinton, as if she'd been invited to orate on the glorious deeds of the foundation, did just that. We who were gathered together to watch the debate, and will hold our noses and vote for Clinton, gasped at her impertinence.
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Really? I thought she answered the question. The Foundation has an A+ score from charity watchdog groups. She meets with lots of people. Some of those people donated to her foundation (no surprise that some of her associates would support the same causes). I think this is another one of those equivalency issues. Because the Trump Foundation is so questionable, journalists have to find something equally "bad" to say about the Clinton Foundation.
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@Kilroy: Ever consider the idea that she didn't address the issue because there was no "pay to play"?
No reputable media outlet has shown us any clear, incontrovertible proof that the Clinton Foundation has been involved in pay-to-play schemes, and those media outlets who promulgate this notion are obviously biased against Ms. Clinton.
The NY Times has printed plenty of articles critical of Ms. Clinton, and if there was indeed something there, the reputable news media would be discussing it.
But this is only an issue in alt-right media, so it doesn't have any credibility to anyone who is able to see through the alt-right propaganda machine.
No reputable media outlet has shown us any clear, incontrovertible proof that the Clinton Foundation has been involved in pay-to-play schemes, and those media outlets who promulgate this notion are obviously biased against Ms. Clinton.
The NY Times has printed plenty of articles critical of Ms. Clinton, and if there was indeed something there, the reputable news media would be discussing it.
But this is only an issue in alt-right media, so it doesn't have any credibility to anyone who is able to see through the alt-right propaganda machine.
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Playing devil's counselor for a moment. What Trump should have said when asked if he'd accept the election results was: "If my opponent wins by a small margin, I'm going to demand they take a close look at what was going on at the inner-city polls in a few places.” He should have stepped down on his “us vs them” message, not his “I'm unpredictable” one.
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Trump knows he's going to lose, and he's determined to be a sore loser.
They'll be violence and destruction by the simpletons who believe every inane
thing that comes out of his mouth.
The only dignified thing to do now, is for him to drop out.
The press must remind the public of every time Trump said something was "rigged".
They'll be violence and destruction by the simpletons who believe every inane
thing that comes out of his mouth.
The only dignified thing to do now, is for him to drop out.
The press must remind the public of every time Trump said something was "rigged".
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Yes, Trump was making bizarre faces as Clinton spoke, but in case you were watching a more balanced network, those who watched the debate on Fox didn't see that -- they saw just the speaker for each response, with the camera returning to Chris Wallace when neither was speaking. And kibbitzing commentary ran along the bottom of the screen, keeping favorite Trumpian obsessions in view at all times. The commentary even praised Fox for NOT running the split screen. The US electorate increasingly occupies information silos, seeing and hearing different versions of the news and even debates, even before post-debate spin starts.
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@Ellen: wow, we watched C-span and heard or saw no superfluous commentary, so we had the pure, unadulterated version. We prefer to rely upon our own judgment and perceptions, rather than those of commentators.
We don't watch Fox, MSNBC, or CNN, because there is too much editorializing going on. C-span allows viewers to call in afterward, and they present alternate viewpoints after the debate.
I wouldn't mind it if the Trump ranters actually had something new to say, but I'm not interested in hearing the same old anti-Clinton stuff I've been hearing for thirty years, most of which has turned out to be either untrue or else has not prevented the Clintons from doing their jobs competently and thoughtfully.
I have no confidence that Mr. Trump has ever had a deep thought in his life and am not about to trust the leadership of our country to a man who blurts out whatever happens to be floating around in his mind without pausing to consider the consequences of his words.
Last night a Trump supporter said that she liked him because he told the truth. I wondered if we had seen the same debate. He stood there on stage lying about things he's done--things that most of the general public have seen or heard him do. Everyone heard him bragging on tape about grabbing women. Everyone has seen him mocking a disabled reporter. Does he think we're going to forget these things simply because he denies doing them? I haven't seen such a blatant liar since Nixon.
We don't watch Fox, MSNBC, or CNN, because there is too much editorializing going on. C-span allows viewers to call in afterward, and they present alternate viewpoints after the debate.
I wouldn't mind it if the Trump ranters actually had something new to say, but I'm not interested in hearing the same old anti-Clinton stuff I've been hearing for thirty years, most of which has turned out to be either untrue or else has not prevented the Clintons from doing their jobs competently and thoughtfully.
I have no confidence that Mr. Trump has ever had a deep thought in his life and am not about to trust the leadership of our country to a man who blurts out whatever happens to be floating around in his mind without pausing to consider the consequences of his words.
Last night a Trump supporter said that she liked him because he told the truth. I wondered if we had seen the same debate. He stood there on stage lying about things he's done--things that most of the general public have seen or heard him do. Everyone heard him bragging on tape about grabbing women. Everyone has seen him mocking a disabled reporter. Does he think we're going to forget these things simply because he denies doing them? I haven't seen such a blatant liar since Nixon.
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Since Trump knows nothing about the way our constitutional system works, maybe he really believes that if he doesn't "accept" the results then the election didn't actually happen. And then, if he squeezes his eyes really tight and repeats "I am the president" in Richard Nixon's tone of voice, then he will really be the president and Hillary will go back to Never, Never Land.
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Trump has a simple strategy ... whenever new examples of his egregious lewd and rude behavior surface, he shrugs them off saying that was then and this is now and he has changed (even if then was a week ago) or makes even more ridiculous claims. There are millions of Americans (at least 43% if the polls are to be believed) who are fine with this and still want to vote for him. Hillary has baggage and what makes that baggage heavy are a few real and many imagined events. The Wikileaks emails are remarkably devoid any substantial revelations compared to Trump's lurid comments captured in video and audio. Her inability to come clean as Trump has casually done time and again with seemingly little fallout just keeps things in play. She wants to appear right even when she is in the wrong and this discounts all the times she has been right. She needs to loosen her belt a couple of notches and just have a good time in the next couple of weeks ... Don the Con will keep digging himself deeper in the hole.
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I thought the "She is guilty of committing crimes" statement was on par with his not agreeing to accept the election results. Clinton has never been charged with a crime, let alone convicted, and we do have a principle in this country regarding being innocent until proven guilty. A candidate implying that laws were broken is one thing, but stating flatly that your opponent is a criminal? Isn't that slander?
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The greatest defeat for Trump is to be ignored.
My hope is America will find the wisdom on November 9 and onward to ensure that happens.
My hope is America will find the wisdom on November 9 and onward to ensure that happens.
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Ode to America
Disaster, disaster, disaster America is
Babies slain and dissected in wombs
Cities of darkness and murder
With dark skinned voters that do not exist
Disgraced a people we are
Clueless, losing, and played
Worst ever and badder than worse
Bigly chaos descends
Pretty Women assaulted and groped
Bad hombres round up and deported
Nasty Women detained and jailed
That makes America Great Again
Disaster, disaster, disaster America is
Babies slain and dissected in wombs
Cities of darkness and murder
With dark skinned voters that do not exist
Disgraced a people we are
Clueless, losing, and played
Worst ever and badder than worse
Bigly chaos descends
Pretty Women assaulted and groped
Bad hombres round up and deported
Nasty Women detained and jailed
That makes America Great Again
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It’s about time we got a tough, nasty woman in there. One who knows the difference between the real world and Celebrity Apprentice and the difference between a tough guy and a scared, lonely guy desperate for love.
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Some fact checking concerning this election being " rigged " that didn't happen during this debate but has been pointed out by news networks and in a New York Times editorial : a study by Loyola University found that between 2000 and 2014 there were just 31 credible cases of voter out over 1 BILLION votes cast.Trump's accusations of voter fraud before most voting has even taken place is delusion originating in his paranioa fevered mind and is among the strongest evidence of just how unfit he is to be President.
It's upsetting to me that Trump attempts to use WikiLeaks disclosure of Hacked emails concerning Hillary,instead of denouncing this hacking,and hacking in general,especially since Russia is largely behind this particular hacking.But Trump also proves himself,again,a fool by taking such delight at this hacking ,because the ability to hack Podesta's emails is potentially the ability to Hack Trump's .In which case if he unfortunately becomes President the Russians might reveal emails of his that they've hacked with which to blackmail him with.
It's upsetting to me that Trump attempts to use WikiLeaks disclosure of Hacked emails concerning Hillary,instead of denouncing this hacking,and hacking in general,especially since Russia is largely behind this particular hacking.But Trump also proves himself,again,a fool by taking such delight at this hacking ,because the ability to hack Podesta's emails is potentially the ability to Hack Trump's .In which case if he unfortunately becomes President the Russians might reveal emails of his that they've hacked with which to blackmail him with.
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Donald trump is a 15 year old spoiled brat bully. When he takes all this publicity and starts his hate tv program, if someone will fund it, I'll never pay attention to him again. Like I did before the election season.
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Saying the election is rigged and he might not accept the results is Trump's idea of a concession speech. A narcissist must forever be adored.
6
Trump's remarks are those of a coward.
Period.
Period.
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I didn't hear Trump complaining when he was getting all the media attention months ago. Now that the tide has turned, the election is rigged. And by not promising to accept the results, he has committed the greatest sin we have ever seen in this great democracy. What are people who support him thinking?
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Trump's performance was brilliant if his goal was to monetize his campaign post-defeat with a fringe group of malcontents. He didn't even try - and seems to have no interest in the responsibilities of office.
1
When Donald floated the idea of a pre-debate drug test HRC should have agreed - with the a stipulation that both candidates also undergo a pre-election psych evaluation.
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I kind of miss the "dog on the roof" thing this election cycle, but this makes up for it:
"He promised to run the country “the way I run my company,” and a great part of the listening public contemplated the fact that this is a guy who’s declared bankruptcy six times. But we’ve already forgotten all about it."
I'm pretty sure his tax proposal would in fact bankrupt the country. Thanks for reminding us.
"He promised to run the country “the way I run my company,” and a great part of the listening public contemplated the fact that this is a guy who’s declared bankruptcy six times. But we’ve already forgotten all about it."
I'm pretty sure his tax proposal would in fact bankrupt the country. Thanks for reminding us.
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And yet the significant impression was that Trump started sweeting like Nixon within the first five minutes, and the nation said: he would not be my first choice, believe me.
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Trump may not accept the results of the election.
Shocker.
Nothing, nothing surprises me about this maniac.
Maybe the good out of this is that his brand may be permanently damaged, since so many aspects of his dark id and exploding ego have been revealed.
He is one of those clowns lurking in the woods. May he return there.
Murderous and Terrifying.
Shocker.
Nothing, nothing surprises me about this maniac.
Maybe the good out of this is that his brand may be permanently damaged, since so many aspects of his dark id and exploding ego have been revealed.
He is one of those clowns lurking in the woods. May he return there.
Murderous and Terrifying.
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OK. For the sake of argument, let's say he loses and doesn't support the results. What's he going to do? Rant and rave like he always does? Lead an army of protesters down Pennsylvania Ave.? Try to take over the government by force? good luck with that.
I remember back in 2000 when the conservatives on the Supreme Court actually DID steal the election. A lot of us didn't accept the results. Nobody cared. Trump's potential refusal to accept the results will be greeted with the same yawn.
I remember back in 2000 when the conservatives on the Supreme Court actually DID steal the election. A lot of us didn't accept the results. Nobody cared. Trump's potential refusal to accept the results will be greeted with the same yawn.
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I think the concern is that Trump is encouraging his supporters to take violent action when he does not win. Most of his supporters will ignore this call to arms, but his supporters include many who are well armed with assault rifles, angry and right wing enough to take a call to action seriously.
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I agree with you, Michael. I hope trump is charged with inciting a riot if it happens.
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I'm actually imagining a scenario where the NYPD has to storm Trump Tower and take him out in cuffs. I hope he realizes he's lost when the Secret Service leaves him shortly after midnight when the results are in. But I can see his idiotic followers trying to cause trouble in Midtown, with him egging them on via Twitter. This is to say nothing about other parts of the country, where lynching was considered good family fun for generations.
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The Founders assured presidential succession
With or without the loser’s concession.
With grimace and whine
Donald Trump will decline
To grant Mrs. Clinton a gracious accession.
With or without the loser’s concession.
With grimace and whine
Donald Trump will decline
To grant Mrs. Clinton a gracious accession.
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This campaign tells us all we need to know about our two parties. The Republican Party has elevated two characters to the national stage who are so ludicrous that they defy our best comics attempts to caricature them. The last time I saw Tina Fey attempt Sarah Palin, brilliant though she is, she fell short. And the Donald simply defies Alec Baldwin's best attempts.
I'm wondering when the Republican Party will tire of embarrassing the country and humiliating itself by trying to cater to people loony enough to take these people seriously and go back to actually governing.
I'm wondering when the Republican Party will tire of embarrassing the country and humiliating itself by trying to cater to people loony enough to take these people seriously and go back to actually governing.
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And, of course, the Left forgets all of the times they claimed that the voting was rigged:
http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/19/8-times-liberals-claimed-election-st...
Considering that recent news points to some on the Left getting caught planning to commit voting fraud, it is no wonder why the Left does not want national voter IDs.
Yes, it was a stupid answer by Trump, but why all the wailing by the Left when they have actually contested voting results in the past?
http://thefederalist.com/2016/10/19/8-times-liberals-claimed-election-st...
Considering that recent news points to some on the Left getting caught planning to commit voting fraud, it is no wonder why the Left does not want national voter IDs.
Yes, it was a stupid answer by Trump, but why all the wailing by the Left when they have actually contested voting results in the past?
There is a difference between contesting and not conceding. The vote was close enough in Florida in 2000 to trigger automatic recount. Contesting that total made sense. When the recount was done, Gore conceded the election.
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I looked at your link ostensibly citing instances that the "Left" "claimed the voting was rigged." The last of eight examples was a Senate speech made by Elizabeth Warren, stating:
"In 2013, however, Warren went on the Senate floor to chastise Republicans for making “naked attempts to nullify the results of the last presidential election. To force us to govern as though President Obama hadn’t won the 2012 election.”"
First, it's unclear how Warren's statement has anything to do with election rigging, i.e., the theme of the article. Is your conservative publication making the point that a democratic senator is complaining the 2012 presidential election was rigged even though Obama won?
Second, your website dishonestly edited what Warren said in an effort to make their point. The full context is:
"We need to call out these filibusters for what they are: naked attempts to nullify the results of the last Presidential election – to force us to govern as though President Obama hadn't won the 2012 election."
That's right, she didn't complain about election rigging, she complained about filibusters.
What can we say? Your article is just embarrassing. It's written on the level of a mediocre college freshman. Do republicans really believe such ridiculous, illogical, and manifestly incorrect tripe? Did you read the article yourself?
"In 2013, however, Warren went on the Senate floor to chastise Republicans for making “naked attempts to nullify the results of the last presidential election. To force us to govern as though President Obama hadn’t won the 2012 election.”"
First, it's unclear how Warren's statement has anything to do with election rigging, i.e., the theme of the article. Is your conservative publication making the point that a democratic senator is complaining the 2012 presidential election was rigged even though Obama won?
Second, your website dishonestly edited what Warren said in an effort to make their point. The full context is:
"We need to call out these filibusters for what they are: naked attempts to nullify the results of the last Presidential election – to force us to govern as though President Obama hadn't won the 2012 election."
That's right, she didn't complain about election rigging, she complained about filibusters.
What can we say? Your article is just embarrassing. It's written on the level of a mediocre college freshman. Do republicans really believe such ridiculous, illogical, and manifestly incorrect tripe? Did you read the article yourself?
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This column is not up to Gail's usually funny standards, But Trump has proved himself one scary hombre and is proud that he can threaten our entire electoral system. Trump says he has built many things, but his true talent seems to be in destruction, leaving the chaos in his wake then pretending he had nothing to do with it.
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Trump has proven himself to be the playground bully who will gather up his marbles and go home if he loses - except if it is the presidency he loses. Then he will fight to continue bullying. It is ironic that in one of her rare interviews this week his wife Melania said her cause as First Lady would be to end cyber bullying - guess she knows a thing or two about how bullies operate!
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The same people who worship the second amendment are the people who will back up Trump in delegitimizing the result of this election.
I have come to the sad conclusion that this country will never rein in its guns. And I've come to the reluctant secondary conclusion that the wrong half of this country is packin'.
I have come to the sad conclusion that this country will never rein in its guns. And I've come to the reluctant secondary conclusion that the wrong half of this country is packin'.
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Governing experience and policy issues aside, temperament has become one of the crucial issues in this election. Trump's supporters tout his authenticity as one of his positive redeeming qualities. Throughout this election cycle he has consistently shown his authentic temperament which is totally unfit for the presidency. I am not going to waste this comment space by detailing this. His words and actions are now indelibly written in historical archives. Trump is seventy years old. Does anyone think he can change? I cannot see him in the Oval Office and on the international stage with his jejune, puerile, boorish behavioral pattern. Yes, there are times when he seems discipline and mature but then those times are short-lived and he reverts to his authentic persona. Once again the truism, one cannot teach an old dog new tricks, comes to mind.
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Once this election is over and HRC has been declared the winner (which will occur as soon as the polls close, because it's going to be a blowout), no one is going to care whether Trump accepts the results of the election or not. Sure, he'll get some press for a little while as he rants about his loss. But the press will quickly pivot to Madame President, the first woman to hold our nation's highest office. She will be big news 24/7, with all eyes upon her.
There is absolutely nothing that Trump or his supporters can say or do that will stop the orderly transition of power, so any attempt by Trump to somehow convince his supporters to resist the election results will simply make Trump the Biggest Double Loser because, well, resistance is futile. I predict that very shortly after November 8, most people aren't going to care what Trump has to say on any topic whatsoever.
There is absolutely nothing that Trump or his supporters can say or do that will stop the orderly transition of power, so any attempt by Trump to somehow convince his supporters to resist the election results will simply make Trump the Biggest Double Loser because, well, resistance is futile. I predict that very shortly after November 8, most people aren't going to care what Trump has to say on any topic whatsoever.
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While it is certainly a valuable tradition, it is not legally or constitutionally required for a presidential candidate to concede after their defeat. Mr. Trump's post-election protests will be irrelevant and impotent.
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Perhaps a lot of the false comparisons between Gore and Trump could be avoided if the question were phrased:
Mr. Trump, once the results of the election are certified, will you accept the results of the election?
Due to the mandatory recount in Florida and all the other shenanigans, the results of the Gore/Bush election certification was delayed. There was nothing to concede to - there were no "results" until the certification.
Once the results were certified, Gore immediately and graciously conceded.
Will Trump recognize the results once they are certified, which is done immediately following the election in every other case, but allows for a delay if there is a problem, is comparing apples to apples, and there can be no other answer than "yes" unless he plans to commit treason.
Mr. Trump, once the results of the election are certified, will you accept the results of the election?
Due to the mandatory recount in Florida and all the other shenanigans, the results of the Gore/Bush election certification was delayed. There was nothing to concede to - there were no "results" until the certification.
Once the results were certified, Gore immediately and graciously conceded.
Will Trump recognize the results once they are certified, which is done immediately following the election in every other case, but allows for a delay if there is a problem, is comparing apples to apples, and there can be no other answer than "yes" unless he plans to commit treason.
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Certainly, democrats have never contested election results, nor have republicans. That question was merely a political stunt to score points. Should Hilary commit to accepting election results in the face of a clear campaign of intimidation?
Did AL Gore not contest the 2000 election?
The man who was tormented by Trump to produce "his papers," President Obama, gave his tormentor very good advice the other day, when he said, "I'd invite Mr. Trump to stop whining and go try to make his case to get votes."
The know-it-all Trump did exactly the opposite and threw away any remaining chance he had to win the election. That's good news for the country.
The know-it-all Trump did exactly the opposite and threw away any remaining chance he had to win the election. That's good news for the country.
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Trump reminds me of a - hopefully fictitious - situation in an airplane traversing the Rockies: the pilot is completely oblivious to his engineer's warning that the altimeter shows the plane flying too low: "That can't be the real altitude", says the pilot, "I'll keep this height!" Shortly thereafter, the plane hits a mountain top.
Trump is probably not that stupid, but in a figurative sense, not reacting to real signals can mean desaster.
Trump is unfit for anything above the position of janitor in one of his buildings. (And please, that's not an insult to janitors, "believe me!")
Trump is probably not that stupid, but in a figurative sense, not reacting to real signals can mean desaster.
Trump is unfit for anything above the position of janitor in one of his buildings. (And please, that's not an insult to janitors, "believe me!")
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At one point, he announced the election was rigged because Hillary Clinton was in it. (“She should never have been allowed to run for the presidency based on what she did with emails.”)
Why didn't Mr. Trump say what he really meant: It's not fair to let girl's play. Or win.
Why didn't Mr. Trump say what he really meant: It's not fair to let girl's play. Or win.
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After successful eye surgery this week (thank you Mr. President and ACA), I found it safest to watch the debate wearing protective patch. Trump's behavior through the metal grid resembled an angry caged orangutan, flinging mud.
Unpresidential. Unfit. Unworthy.
Go Hillary.
Unpresidential. Unfit. Unworthy.
Go Hillary.
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Let me get this straight. The fix is in. We know this because Donald Trump said so, and, as we all know, he never lies; he told us so and he never lies. Therefore, if he wins, as he has told us he will, it will be the result of a rigged election. Am I right? That would mean his election would have to be invalidated, and Hillary Clinton would be declared President. Works for me.
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October 20, 2016
Okay the suspense is over - now throw Trump out of election campaign - incumbent by reality history, and the laws of common to our general welfare for the good of all. Enough of his babble and feebleness that is immature and as we all know is unqualified to embrace the power and writs for all politicians - to honor and stand proud to respect the civility of proper rules - transparently.
Okay the suspense is over - now throw Trump out of election campaign - incumbent by reality history, and the laws of common to our general welfare for the good of all. Enough of his babble and feebleness that is immature and as we all know is unqualified to embrace the power and writs for all politicians - to honor and stand proud to respect the civility of proper rules - transparently.
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I didn't have a stopwatch running, but I'm estimating is was between 15 and 20 seconds after Trump started answering Chris Wallace's first question--regarding the Supreme Court--that Trump made the discussion about himself, using as a first example of why choices about the Supreme Court are very important because Justice Ruth Bader Ginsberg said inappropriate things about him! I can't think of anything that demonstrates more clearly that Trump is putting his own interests ahead of the rest of the country, and perhaps the free world.
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It is time to write Trump off as an extremely weak candidate for high office running a doomed campaign. That means it's time to come to grips with an HRC presidency, hardly a cause for celebration: Four more years of military adventurism, lackluster economic performance, and corrupt cronyism. "She's better than Trump" may be the successful rallying cry this year but let us not confuse an HRC victory with a net win for the country.
And, by the way Gail, Hillary's credibility problem is not that she "never learned how to deal with the email question". It's that there are many email questions and they reflect a dedication to secrecy in public service, concealment of evidence from an official investigation, and a willingness to deceive others for political advantage. Her character is her problem as it always has been. Let's enjoy the ride for the next four years but let's not step into a fantasy world about who our next president really is.
And, by the way Gail, Hillary's credibility problem is not that she "never learned how to deal with the email question". It's that there are many email questions and they reflect a dedication to secrecy in public service, concealment of evidence from an official investigation, and a willingness to deceive others for political advantage. Her character is her problem as it always has been. Let's enjoy the ride for the next four years but let's not step into a fantasy world about who our next president really is.
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No, four more years of surging economy, developing global trade and hopefully, greater engagement in the world. Obama's presidency, great in so many respects, was undeniably hesitant in foreign policy. Hillary, I believe, will be more decisive. Wars happen, whether the US is involved or not, so unless you propose to relocate to Mars, our country has to take a stand in various conflicts and manage them to our own advantage. And as for emails: Hillary has nothing to apologize for, she has done nothing wrong, and the entire controversy is a storm in a tea-cup.
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It's hard to understand why any thinking person does not realize that Trump's claim that he will bring manufacturing jobs back to the U.S. is bogus.
Hillary rightly made the point that Trump rather than using U.S. manufactured steel, "had purchased the very same Chinese steel and aluminum he complained was ruining the economy."
I was kinda surprised that Hillary did not ask Trump to show the labels on his tie and shirt which would show they were made not in the U.S. but in China and Bangladesh.
People who think that Trump, if elected, will bring manufacturing back to the U.S. have (sadly) drunk the Trump Kool-Aid.
Hillary rightly made the point that Trump rather than using U.S. manufactured steel, "had purchased the very same Chinese steel and aluminum he complained was ruining the economy."
I was kinda surprised that Hillary did not ask Trump to show the labels on his tie and shirt which would show they were made not in the U.S. but in China and Bangladesh.
People who think that Trump, if elected, will bring manufacturing back to the U.S. have (sadly) drunk the Trump Kool-Aid.
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Imagine Trump's supporters if it were Hillary, not him, who admires and cooperates with dictators Putin and Assad;encourages Russian espionage of U.S. elections; approves the Kremlin's tilting of WikiLeaks' daily hacks against Trump;pushes for more countries to defend themselves with new nuclear arsenals;downgrades NATO's role in keeping the European peace;displays mental confusion on what's going on in Iraq and Syria (including ISIS' recent extensive losses);boasts of being above the law in kissing and groping men if they are "attractive" enough, and in paying no income taxes (the likely reason for refusing to release the tax forms); screams "Foul ball" each time, and right before, the Trump team hits a political home run; and refuses even before the final inning to say she'll abide by the results, deliberately inflaming and misleading her fans -- all for her ego, not for her team or her fans or her league. If this were indeed Hillary not Trump, Americans would laugh or cry but they wouldn't vote for her.
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It is wearisome to hear the Punditry simplistically explain the Trump candidacy on the basis that there are a lot of voters feeling abandoned by 'the System' which is no longer working for them and who feel everything is "rigged."
Of course it's rigged -- by the Constitution. He who wins enough states to get a majority of electoral (not popular) votes wins. It's constitutionally permitted 'rigging.'
Trump's problem is that while he understood that there were a lot of 'disaffected' white male voters, he thought his personality (such as it is) would overcome the demographic math that said that even if he got 100% of the disaffected white guys in the country, there weren't enough of them in enough states to win an electoral majority.
In short, while he was spending time & cash attracting a minority of disaffected white male voters (i.e., the GOP base), the rest of the country was producing women, minority, ethnic, disabled, college-educated voters in droves that effectively predetermined (rigged) the outcome against a strategy that pokes a stick in all their eyes. The coup de farse occurred when he kissed off the evangelicals with his 'locker room talk.'
Of course it's rigged -- by the Constitution. He who wins enough states to get a majority of electoral (not popular) votes wins. It's constitutionally permitted 'rigging.'
Trump's problem is that while he understood that there were a lot of 'disaffected' white male voters, he thought his personality (such as it is) would overcome the demographic math that said that even if he got 100% of the disaffected white guys in the country, there weren't enough of them in enough states to win an electoral majority.
In short, while he was spending time & cash attracting a minority of disaffected white male voters (i.e., the GOP base), the rest of the country was producing women, minority, ethnic, disabled, college-educated voters in droves that effectively predetermined (rigged) the outcome against a strategy that pokes a stick in all their eyes. The coup de farse occurred when he kissed off the evangelicals with his 'locker room talk.'
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Richard Nixon played the same card with impeachment, claiming the American public would be lost if a sitting president would be removed through the impeachment process, and the country would disintegrate into chaos.
In the event the next day Gerald Ford took over the Presidency, and the only major effect was at at time when the gas crisis was leading to a major balance of payments issue for America huge amounts of money flowed into America from the entire world. Clowns such as Trump are scary to investors who know peaceful transfers of power are the fundamental underpinning of any successful economy.
In the event the next day Gerald Ford took over the Presidency, and the only major effect was at at time when the gas crisis was leading to a major balance of payments issue for America huge amounts of money flowed into America from the entire world. Clowns such as Trump are scary to investors who know peaceful transfers of power are the fundamental underpinning of any successful economy.
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Every time Trump opens his mouth he painfully confirms that he is nothing more than a petulant child in the body of a 70 year old man. His refusal to state that he would accept the results of the election is the same as a toddler throwing a tantrum.
Happily toddlers grow out of this behavior. Sadly, Trump never did.
Happily toddlers grow out of this behavior. Sadly, Trump never did.
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It should be fairly obvious that "The Donald" will go down in history. He may lose mightily and so decisively that even his most ardent 2 or 3 supporters will be willing to accept defeat in his name. What is fascinating though is this history stuff. Not many winners turned losers are remembered in the larger public's mind. Those of us over say 60 will more easily recall past contests. From Stevenson, through Nixon, Nixon again Humphrey and McGovern all the way through Mondale, Dole, Gore, McCain and finally Romney. Whew. Feel free to connect the puzzle pieces anyway you want. All those contests prior to this post WWII era start to become hazier, and unless one enjoys political history, unrecallable.
There is a special class of losers that resonates throughout the ages simply by continuous repitition hav in been portrayed endlessly throughout time. While there are several, the most closely aligned, perhaps by reincarnation for my take, is Trump and the early Roman Emperors. A quick update from Caesar, Augustus, Caligula, and Nero come to mind.
From Shakespeare to cartoons they come dancing before our consciousness. Donald Trump is by far the closest figure in American history to compete with Nero. Fiddling while Rome burned, this winner turned loser is as much a psyhco-anyalitic story of pathological narcissistic personality disorder as that guy on stage last night.
There is a special class of losers that resonates throughout the ages simply by continuous repitition hav in been portrayed endlessly throughout time. While there are several, the most closely aligned, perhaps by reincarnation for my take, is Trump and the early Roman Emperors. A quick update from Caesar, Augustus, Caligula, and Nero come to mind.
From Shakespeare to cartoons they come dancing before our consciousness. Donald Trump is by far the closest figure in American history to compete with Nero. Fiddling while Rome burned, this winner turned loser is as much a psyhco-anyalitic story of pathological narcissistic personality disorder as that guy on stage last night.
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O.K. The truth is that we will never go back to the way America used to be. The world constantly moves on and leaves some people behind. There is only one thing to ever count on and that is things will change. Nobody will bring back steel mills, for instance, because they can't meet the price of other countries. Suppose Trump managed to impose high tariffs on imported steel? That could encourage American companies to fire up the furnaces, but nobody could afford their high prices.
Yes obviously it is very sad for people who have worked in high paying jobs for decades to suddenly be without them. I've been all over this country and found scores of little towns with the downtown abandoned, nothing but a Wal Mart out on the highway because their mines or factories have closed. Some people move on and try something else, some stay behind, angry and depressed, waiting for the government to fix it. Maybe government can't.
Yes obviously it is very sad for people who have worked in high paying jobs for decades to suddenly be without them. I've been all over this country and found scores of little towns with the downtown abandoned, nothing but a Wal Mart out on the highway because their mines or factories have closed. Some people move on and try something else, some stay behind, angry and depressed, waiting for the government to fix it. Maybe government can't.
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Trump could have dealt effectively with the "what if" issue as to whether he'd accept the results of the election. His answer should have been to refer to the protracted litigation between GW Bush and Al Gore ending in a knock-out decision by the Supreme Court anointing W as President. But Trump apparently doesn't know much about American political history; he's been too busy hosting TV reality shows to follow what has happened in the real world.
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The missing narrative about his tax returns is this: he hasn't paid taxes for years because he lost $900 million dollars. That's an extraordinary business failure. Especially because he was worth about half that at the time. So he lost $900 million of his investors' money. Do we want him running the federal budget? How much of our money will he lose?
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There's really nothing left to say. We've sat through 3 debates but I'm not sure why. We haven't learned much we didn't already know. Possibly it was because of the same sickening delight we get when we watch boys on skate boards try to surf down a handrail and instead come down on the rail in a perfect scissors landing, We wanted to witness Trump crash and burn.
Perhaps it was because of Matt Lauer's perfectly awful turn as a moderator or whatever he was, managing to helpfully make Trump look capable. Perhaps we were waiting for Trump to lose it with the kind of aplomb we are used to seeing on the stump, encouraging his army of deplorables (not quotes here. They actually, in fact, are disgustingly deplorable, but yet well-armed.) voting to make America great again...you know, as it was before the Civil War when all old white men owned slaves, were rich, and women knew their place.
It may be that Trump was the only candidate in the Republican Primary clown care that Clinton could hope to beat. I wonder if that's true. I wonder that all the time.
But she is clearly the best candidate running for President of the United States if for nothing else, she isn't Trump, and she won't do too much damage until the next election.
By the way, I predict the next election for President will kick off around September of next year, What a fine mess.
Perhaps it was because of Matt Lauer's perfectly awful turn as a moderator or whatever he was, managing to helpfully make Trump look capable. Perhaps we were waiting for Trump to lose it with the kind of aplomb we are used to seeing on the stump, encouraging his army of deplorables (not quotes here. They actually, in fact, are disgustingly deplorable, but yet well-armed.) voting to make America great again...you know, as it was before the Civil War when all old white men owned slaves, were rich, and women knew their place.
It may be that Trump was the only candidate in the Republican Primary clown care that Clinton could hope to beat. I wonder if that's true. I wonder that all the time.
But she is clearly the best candidate running for President of the United States if for nothing else, she isn't Trump, and she won't do too much damage until the next election.
By the way, I predict the next election for President will kick off around September of next year, What a fine mess.
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It all matters. All of it. The explicit racism, misogyny, infantile mockery of disabilities, bodies; the chronic lying, boasting about sexual assault; fraud and racketeering, deep ties to the mafia; the sleaze, the staggering ignorance, the mind-blowing chutzpah to imagine a man so completely out of his league could be the leader of the free world.
Trump has no problem dishonoring our democracy and taking us down. He would do it in a heartbeat. He has damaged our country and left us all degraded and diminished. He tried to delegitimize Obama's presidency, and he is trying to do the same thing to Clinton's. A sore loser. He's like the envious child who wrecks other kids' toys for the sheer pleasure of hurting them.
Clinton out-classed Trump in every respect. Her obvious intelligence and experience shone. She has worked tirelessly for decades for families and children. Those are true American values. Trump has never done a single thing for the downtrodden. Nothing. He's been talking about politics for decades-- where's his public service? How has he helped those in need? Oh right-- he stiffs small business owners and blue collar workers; he exploits undocumented immigrants; he gets a $1 billion gift of tax-free money at taxpayer expense. He takes and takes, steals and scams, blames others, and does nothing for anyone but himself.
Trump represents the absolute worst of American values and dreams. The sooner he crawls back to his scummy lair, the sooner we can heal.
Trump has no problem dishonoring our democracy and taking us down. He would do it in a heartbeat. He has damaged our country and left us all degraded and diminished. He tried to delegitimize Obama's presidency, and he is trying to do the same thing to Clinton's. A sore loser. He's like the envious child who wrecks other kids' toys for the sheer pleasure of hurting them.
Clinton out-classed Trump in every respect. Her obvious intelligence and experience shone. She has worked tirelessly for decades for families and children. Those are true American values. Trump has never done a single thing for the downtrodden. Nothing. He's been talking about politics for decades-- where's his public service? How has he helped those in need? Oh right-- he stiffs small business owners and blue collar workers; he exploits undocumented immigrants; he gets a $1 billion gift of tax-free money at taxpayer expense. He takes and takes, steals and scams, blames others, and does nothing for anyone but himself.
Trump represents the absolute worst of American values and dreams. The sooner he crawls back to his scummy lair, the sooner we can heal.
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Great column Ms. Collins! A non conceding, political suspense loving, foreign autocrat admiring major party nominee is scary indeed! Halloween's round the corner and we are readying for the trick (Trump) or treat (all be it a bit sour HRC) !! Trump's boastful assurance to a weary electorate to do for the country what he did for his businesses is the scariest of all ! His economic plans don't add up (Chris Wallace said it was bipartisan) and will take the deficit from the horrifying 77% to a whopping 105% of the GDP. A man who presided over six bankruptcies is paraded as a business wizard by his supporters. He could add a seventh, our beloved country, and bankrupt it too!! This suspense is killing, he can go back to being an Apprentice and act out this great ready-made script in his fantasy reality!
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I will miss the debates. Sort of. Clinton looked like the Democrat and Republican President.
Donald just confirmed what we all knew. However, it became obvious that he is planning life after defeat, including promoting riots. Having have failed so many times in business, he should be used to it. Or maybe he does not perceive Trump University and multi-chapter 11 as failures. Who knows, he has his own little reality.
Donald just confirmed what we all knew. However, it became obvious that he is planning life after defeat, including promoting riots. Having have failed so many times in business, he should be used to it. Or maybe he does not perceive Trump University and multi-chapter 11 as failures. Who knows, he has his own little reality.
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I do not believe this petty man ever really wanted to be the President of the United States. Somebody must've dared him to attempt it..over and over again. He simply wants everyone in the world to KNOW his face, that he's the Donald. I so hope he not only flunks in his election bid, but that people have become tired of The Donald", and turn away from him in the future.
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As a Registered Nurse, I have worked with patients suffering from delusions of grandeur, Trump needs therapy for this mental condition as well as paranoia, narcissism, and for having the conscience of a sociopath.
Trump's constant hate mongering and inability to articulate an answer perhaps is due to confusion or beginning stages of dementia. Poor thing, perhaps he should be sent on a long retreat to Mexico or Russia where he could be re-introduced to reality.
Trump's constant hate mongering and inability to articulate an answer perhaps is due to confusion or beginning stages of dementia. Poor thing, perhaps he should be sent on a long retreat to Mexico or Russia where he could be re-introduced to reality.
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Let's not call it scary, that is exactly what he thrives on.
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I don't even know where to begin...
The punk lied seven times within the first 30 minutes or so and THEN it went downhill. Over the course of the three debates, he has consistently proven he is not qualified to be POTUS. He proved again and again and again, that he is thin skinned, a punk, a liar, a racist, a misogynist, a xenophobe, a sexual predator and a loser.
Hillary certainly has a her faults. But she simply is the most qualified of the two and possibly, one of the most well prepared, well educated and experienced candidates ever to run for office of POTUS.
My hope is that those level headed American people will realize this, come to their senses and put country ahead of party and vote for Hillary Clinton for POTUS. Unlike Trump who puts himself ahead of party and country. #nevertrump
The punk lied seven times within the first 30 minutes or so and THEN it went downhill. Over the course of the three debates, he has consistently proven he is not qualified to be POTUS. He proved again and again and again, that he is thin skinned, a punk, a liar, a racist, a misogynist, a xenophobe, a sexual predator and a loser.
Hillary certainly has a her faults. But she simply is the most qualified of the two and possibly, one of the most well prepared, well educated and experienced candidates ever to run for office of POTUS.
My hope is that those level headed American people will realize this, come to their senses and put country ahead of party and vote for Hillary Clinton for POTUS. Unlike Trump who puts himself ahead of party and country. #nevertrump
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Really, who cares if he "accepts" the results of the election? This is merely a manifestation of his ego. Some are still in an uproar over Bush/Gore and have never "accepted the legitimacy" of George W. Bush to this day. So what.
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Threats of violence. No one ever threatened violent overthrow of the government over Gore's loss -- especially because he was an honorable man who accepted our system of government.
Violence and ongoing ignorant hatred. That's 'so what.'
Violence and ongoing ignorant hatred. That's 'so what.'
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So proud of Mrs Clinton. She made him look 'small' , which none of his 17 Primary opponents managed to do remotely. Remember Bobby Jindal ?
She has a beautiful smile:)
She has a beautiful smile:)
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Well, many of us knew months ago that this is the condition in which Trump would be today. How could it not be? Surely no one thought that Trump would become the brilliant political theoretician, or the clever political operative that Hillary is.
It's Hillary's presidency. My question now is, what's our politics going to look like with a destroyed Republican Party and a Democratic Party controlled once again by the Clintons? With a landslide victory for Hillary, it looks like it's carte blanche for the Clinton Foundation, obviating any need for any member to dissociate him or herself from it.
As for an Emmy, both candidates delivered the histrionics last night. A difficult pick.
It's Hillary's presidency. My question now is, what's our politics going to look like with a destroyed Republican Party and a Democratic Party controlled once again by the Clintons? With a landslide victory for Hillary, it looks like it's carte blanche for the Clinton Foundation, obviating any need for any member to dissociate him or herself from it.
As for an Emmy, both candidates delivered the histrionics last night. A difficult pick.
The media should just get out of the way and let people decide on their own which candidate will serve their interests better.
Yes, this election is rigged and it's this paper that is rigging it!
That said - I'm voting for Clinton.
Yes, this election is rigged and it's this paper that is rigging it!
That said - I'm voting for Clinton.
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My office is full to Trump supporters. I just cannot grasp how these people over look everything that's wrong with this guy. They're even on the the god squad, and still they support him. I'll never understand republicans!
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The question that needs to be asked of the candidates is:
Would you do anything legal or illegal to win the election. Both would answer no but, which candidate would be lying.
Would you do anything legal or illegal to win the election. Both would answer no but, which candidate would be lying.
Trump's refusal to pledge acceptance of the results is the biggest mistake any candidate has made in a Presidential debate—it's one for the history books. He will not recover from this, he has sunk his campaign.
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Polls must be tighter than being reported.....
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How can anyone expect a compliant answer from Trump when he is confronted with an opponent with a well-deserved reputation for subterfuge, shady dealing and downright dishonesty? Her own supporters don't trust her - why should he?
I'm not voting for Trump, but the hyperventilating by the media over this is just are so over the top that you make Trump look reasonable. The sky is falling, because Trump says he will challenge the results, if he believes the results are suspect, which is EXACTLY what Al Gore did in 2000. It took Gore over a month to concede the election, and as late as 2005 one NY TImes columnist was still questioning the legitimacy of the results. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/08/22/opinion/dont-prettify-our-history.html
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The Bush/Gore recount in no way questioned the validity of the election; rather it was a recount triggered by a razor-thin difference between their legitimate vote totals. Trust me, there will be no such problem this November.
I do recall, however, the "Brooks Brothers Riot", in which a gang of GOP Congressional staffers interrupted and shut down a recount event at a Florida county office; an act that should have earned them all prison time. There appears to be a well worn tradition of Republicans becoming unhinged when they lose. I look forward to seeing it in a few weeks.
I do recall, however, the "Brooks Brothers Riot", in which a gang of GOP Congressional staffers interrupted and shut down a recount event at a Florida county office; an act that should have earned them all prison time. There appears to be a well worn tradition of Republicans becoming unhinged when they lose. I look forward to seeing it in a few weeks.
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Mr. Trump's declaration means that he is reckoning with the fact that he will lose the election.
That sound you're hearing is the Fat Lady warming up.
That sound you're hearing is the Fat Lady warming up.
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Were the Republican primary elections rigged? How else could someone of such low intelligence and no moral integrity, who cannot distinguish between fantasy and reality get to be the Republican Party's candidate for POTUS.
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I'm still waiting for the reveal (read: leak?) that this entire Trump business has all been a hoax. Maybe Laurence Fishburne or Keanu Reeves will show up in long black jackets around some corner. It simply cannot be true.
And honestly - even if he loses, there are still (according to projections) over a THIRD of Americans who think this joke-of-a-man should be president. And THAT'S the scary part.
Should we not have come up with a system by now, that one has to be a college, or at least a high-school, graduate to vote?!
And honestly - even if he loses, there are still (according to projections) over a THIRD of Americans who think this joke-of-a-man should be president. And THAT'S the scary part.
Should we not have come up with a system by now, that one has to be a college, or at least a high-school, graduate to vote?!
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Gail: "Trump won’t promise to concede if he loses, and if he wins, he gets control of the nukes. These are the only things you need to think about for the next two and a half weeks."
No. I'm done thinking about this now. The presidential election was over weeks ago. I'm getting on with my life, after I vote early.
No. I'm done thinking about this now. The presidential election was over weeks ago. I'm getting on with my life, after I vote early.
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Donald Trump does not have the temperament nor judgment nor wisdom nor character nor knowledge nor curiosity nor ability to handle Rosie O' Donnell nor Megyn Kelly nor Alicia Machado nor Michelle Obama nor Ghazala Khan nor Hillary Clinton. But he was able to leave 16 Republican 2016 primary and caucus opponents as rotting putrid road kill.
Who is the real Donald Trump? A spoiled natural born cowardly corporate plutocrat misogynist xenophobic racist juvenile delinquent who is not ready to be POTUS in the real world.
Who is the real Donald Trump? A spoiled natural born cowardly corporate plutocrat misogynist xenophobic racist juvenile delinquent who is not ready to be POTUS in the real world.
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Only solution: vote against EVERY Republican on every ballot. Lets show the GOP that American democracy is greater than Republican Demagoguery!
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Will a Republican senate refuse to confirm any of Clinton's nominations to the cabinet?
Don't bet against it.
Don't bet against it.
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When given the opportunity to state why he would make a good President, Trump launched into a tirade about Hillary Clinton. That says it all about a small minded bully.
He needs to take his red frog face back to Trump tower where it belongs and stay indoors.
He needs to take his red frog face back to Trump tower where it belongs and stay indoors.
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I honestly still can't get past the fact that the notorious huckster and con man Donald J. Trump is the GOP presidential nominee. It truly boggles the mind that this is where we are in the American electoral process.
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Flashback: Trump lies on the floor of aisle six at Safeway, screaming: "I won't, I won't, I won't." Other shoppers shake their heads, some pitying his poor mother, others thinking that she sure is raising an obnoxious brat. Flash forward. Nothing has changed.
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If, 50 years ago, we had provided free college education, our country would not have been plagued with so many uneducated Trump supporters.
Bernie Sanders is right.
Bernie Sanders is right.
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For all his professed dislike of Saturday Night Live, in all three debates Trump reacted to some of Hillary's comments by doing a creditable impression of Chevy Chase on "Weekend Update," mugging while Jane Curtin or Gilda Radner (as Emily Litella) read a guest editorial.
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Rigged. Donald Trump knows rigged when he sees it. It's the first thing he does every morning at 3:00 when arranges his hair, before he thumbs the first Tweet of the day. That coif is a metaphor for his entire campaign, for his entire life.
He rigged a half dozen bankruptcies to put money in his pocket by leaving the losses on the shoulders of others, often small family-owned businesses.
He rigged a charitable foundation bearing his name to cover the cost of a truly bad painting of himself for his viewing pleasure. Lord knows nobody else gets any epiphanies of the soul from it.
He rigged a bunch of beauty pageants for the sole purpose of allowing himself to avail himself of the privilege of "previewing" the contestants up close and personal.
He rigged the appearance at the second debate of three women from Bill Clinton's past in an effort to rattle Hillary.
So now, when Donald says the election is being rigged, believe him. He's trying his damndest to make sure it is. It's the only way he can win it.
He rigged a half dozen bankruptcies to put money in his pocket by leaving the losses on the shoulders of others, often small family-owned businesses.
He rigged a charitable foundation bearing his name to cover the cost of a truly bad painting of himself for his viewing pleasure. Lord knows nobody else gets any epiphanies of the soul from it.
He rigged a bunch of beauty pageants for the sole purpose of allowing himself to avail himself of the privilege of "previewing" the contestants up close and personal.
He rigged the appearance at the second debate of three women from Bill Clinton's past in an effort to rattle Hillary.
So now, when Donald says the election is being rigged, believe him. He's trying his damndest to make sure it is. It's the only way he can win it.
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If Trump loses but refuses to concede, then Paul Ryan, Mitch McConnell, Reince Preibus and the entire GOP contingent of the Senate need to be prepared to go on TV the evening of November 9th and concede on behalf of the Republican candidate.
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Trump has definitely lost. Let's all get out to vote and make that loss as big as possible and let's tie every other Republican candidate to Trump the way Mitt tied his dog to the car.
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Bob Dole and John McCain raised similar questions about the election process with Acorn and Illegal immigrant voting. I think it is a good point and will not be settled until a proper voter ID process is in place. The only reason I can think of resisting it is because someone wants to rig an election. I think if one puts HRC's record up it is plain she does not make good decisions, rather poor to dangerous and I would not want her finger on the nuclear button but there are enough people around the president to prevent someone going crazy and pushing the button. That was thought about long time ago discussing it is just a scare tactic. Like I said look at HRC's record and what she has and has not done, the choice is simple.
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If the states were to actually make voting IDs free and easy-enough to obtain (in practical terms, for those who are poor and don't have a car) on equal terms .. fine by me.
But you know that's not what it's about.
If you are going to argue about "bad decisions" and "record" ... HA HA HA! You surely must be joking! Why did you pick Trump to represent "good decisions" and "good record?"
But you know that's not what it's about.
If you are going to argue about "bad decisions" and "record" ... HA HA HA! You surely must be joking! Why did you pick Trump to represent "good decisions" and "good record?"
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If Hillary loses, she is the one who should not accept the results... but she is too presidential to say such a thing.
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I had a dream last night (nightmare?) where I see a clown car with Mr. Trump in the front seat, Mike Pence was riding shot gun. Mitch McConnell and Paul Ryan were in the back seat, and they are all wearing Mad Clown Costumes. I woke up with the thought of, yes we still have to get through Halloween before the election.
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I wouldn't worry too much about Trump's implied refusal to accept the election's outcome. Putin will talk him out of it.
I don't think anyone has yet mentioned the most compelling reason not to vote for Trump. He thinks that "bigly" is a word.
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I'll have to do a little research, but I wonder how horrified the New York Times was when Al Gore demanded a recount in multiple counties of Florida? Was there the same gnashing of teeth? Trump has almost no chance to win this election if the polls are even somewhat accurate. However the election turns out, it is the fourth estate that has lost all credibility with majority of the American people. Shame on the Times and most other outlets for losing their objectivity in the name of "what is best for the ignorant American masses".
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"Yow" is such an understatement. Trump has ALREADY damaged legitimacy, in a nation beset by Bundy-types already resisting with their "Second Amendment" delusions. Unfortunately, even the Pied Piper after he loses can't divert all the kids from following the rats into the river and taking some of our political dignity with them.
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Gail is the best columnist at the NYT. Not even close.
However, I don't understand why we care whether this moron will "accept the results of the election," or more to the point, will say that he does. That's a pretty meaningless concept anyway - of course, when a loser politely concedes, that does not represent what the person feels at all - and it's more of a quaint tradition than a substantive concept. Do we have any basis to think that Trump could possibly "believe in democracy," or anything meaningful, for that matter? That Donald Trump is getting 40% of the vote is a pretty serious indictment of democracy, if you ask me. It should mean nothing to us what he says on the topic.
However, I don't understand why we care whether this moron will "accept the results of the election," or more to the point, will say that he does. That's a pretty meaningless concept anyway - of course, when a loser politely concedes, that does not represent what the person feels at all - and it's more of a quaint tradition than a substantive concept. Do we have any basis to think that Trump could possibly "believe in democracy," or anything meaningful, for that matter? That Donald Trump is getting 40% of the vote is a pretty serious indictment of democracy, if you ask me. It should mean nothing to us what he says on the topic.
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These are the only things you need to think about for the next two and a half weeks.
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Maybe in your world, Gail. Maybe in your world...
The rest of us are focusing on the issues that matter in this country to our daily lives. You must live on a different planet if you are truly worried about nuclear war and ignoring the evidence revealed in the wikileaks documents about how Hillary cheated Bernie Sanders in the primaries with Debbie Wasserman Schultz. That man -- he was talking about issues that mattered to people, including young people.
You are happy with the current status quo, bless your heart. Historically, your types will do fine. But the rest of us must vote on the important issues, even if the press tries everything they can to divert us with make-believe scandals and other non news. (remember the silliness over voting for a candidate because he didn't tie his dog to the top of the car? How'd that work out for the rest of us? Substance matters. Never forget.)
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Maybe in your world, Gail. Maybe in your world...
The rest of us are focusing on the issues that matter in this country to our daily lives. You must live on a different planet if you are truly worried about nuclear war and ignoring the evidence revealed in the wikileaks documents about how Hillary cheated Bernie Sanders in the primaries with Debbie Wasserman Schultz. That man -- he was talking about issues that mattered to people, including young people.
You are happy with the current status quo, bless your heart. Historically, your types will do fine. But the rest of us must vote on the important issues, even if the press tries everything they can to divert us with make-believe scandals and other non news. (remember the silliness over voting for a candidate because he didn't tie his dog to the top of the car? How'd that work out for the rest of us? Substance matters. Never forget.)
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We have a narcissistic candidate for President whose ego is so fragile that he can't abide being thought a "loser" and so has no qualms about starting a Civil War just to save face. Now that's a loser.
Prior to the debate, Pence said that he and Trump would honor the election results. Now that Trump once again has disavowed his running mate's comment, what will Pence say? Moreover, how will the party bigwigs react. Anything less than a full *condemnation* is unacceptable.
Prior to the debate, Pence said that he and Trump would honor the election results. Now that Trump once again has disavowed his running mate's comment, what will Pence say? Moreover, how will the party bigwigs react. Anything less than a full *condemnation* is unacceptable.
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Re accepting the election results: that was a reality show answer, a series cliffhanger answer. Tune is next week. Trump thinks this elections stuff is just another network series. True reality just escapes him. Or maybe this is just the new reality of our twitter/facebook/instagram society.
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"Big league"? I thought he said bigly!
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If, on November 9th, Trump encourages his followers, especially his "second amendment people," to dismiss the election results, isn't that sedition? And isn't sedition a prosecutable federal crime?
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My favorite part of the debate was, when the republican nominee referred to one of his buildings, Hillary, in rapid fire, sandwiched in her second "made with Chinese steel" reference. It made me want to work it into conversations. His "I know you are but what am I" puppet talk was maybe the most absurd. Your hope that republicans get to work, fast? You would think, but it's probably too late. They've blown it every step of the way. "Sad."
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"I will tell you at the time. … I’ll keep you in suspense,”
I know a reality TV host likes to keep the show suspenseful, But the "suspense" on election night is supposed to be about which candidate will win. With each outrageous utterance from Donald Trump, the outcome of this race becomes more and more certain.
I know a reality TV host likes to keep the show suspenseful, But the "suspense" on election night is supposed to be about which candidate will win. With each outrageous utterance from Donald Trump, the outcome of this race becomes more and more certain.
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He says Hilary should be in jail - making himself the judge and jury - and remarkably many Americans agree. If he's elected, who else will wind up in jail - all Hilary supporters and all who cross Trump? Only dictators do these things.
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Thanks for saying that. Can't be said enough.
For a man steeped in television, Trump does a terrible job in front of a camera. Most of the time he spends frowning like a sullen child, he interrupts incessantly and talks over Clinton while she's trying to make a point. His lack of preparation would be laughable if he weren't running for the highest office in the land.
Every time he steps in front of a camera he looks like he just swallowed something really unpleasant--his pride, perhaps?
Every time he steps in front of a camera he looks like he just swallowed something really unpleasant--his pride, perhaps?
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Let's face it, Hillary would win the debate even if she did not show up and Donald got all 90 minutes...the man is truly a horse's rump.
Still, in light of this why is Hillary so darned unlikeable...such a heavy lift? Even her own campaign team in the WikiLeaks emails seem to acknowledge this to the point that at least one of them states that Donald Trump was the only Republican she could beat. I think I figured it out. I always hate it when someone tells me something that they think is news, but isn't. For example, if someone says that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West and presents that as news, it kind of ticks me off...I already understand the Earth-Sun relationship, so stop informing me like I don't know it. Hillary does this all the time. In fact, it is almost all she does. For example, when Hillary informed us last night that Donald has bragged about assaulting women she did it as if we had never heard this before and that she is the one that has uncovered this gem and is taking credit for it and using it for her own benefit. When is the last time Hillary said something that you had never heard a thousand times already. I am voting for Hillary regardless, but I fully understand why people both find her boring and condescending and do not like her.
Still, in light of this why is Hillary so darned unlikeable...such a heavy lift? Even her own campaign team in the WikiLeaks emails seem to acknowledge this to the point that at least one of them states that Donald Trump was the only Republican she could beat. I think I figured it out. I always hate it when someone tells me something that they think is news, but isn't. For example, if someone says that the sun rises in the East and sets in the West and presents that as news, it kind of ticks me off...I already understand the Earth-Sun relationship, so stop informing me like I don't know it. Hillary does this all the time. In fact, it is almost all she does. For example, when Hillary informed us last night that Donald has bragged about assaulting women she did it as if we had never heard this before and that she is the one that has uncovered this gem and is taking credit for it and using it for her own benefit. When is the last time Hillary said something that you had never heard a thousand times already. I am voting for Hillary regardless, but I fully understand why people both find her boring and condescending and do not like her.
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I disagree with one small part of Gail's column. Ms. Clinton didn't give many answers. She would quickly dismiss Mr. Wallace's question and go on to talk about something that he didn't ask, using all her allotted time (and often more.)
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Apparently it takes a truly nasty woman to defeat the sneering, blustering brute who bullied and intimidated all of his male GOP opponents. (Carly Fiorina wasn't afraid of him either.) Maybe, finally Jeb Bush was right. You can't insult your way to the presidency, Mr. Trump.
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This morning I read that trump jr. said "for dad being president would be a step down." If that is true will his dad get out now? It is clear trump is not for anyone but trump. Once again he blamed other people for what is wrong as he sees it. This time the military, President Obama, and the FBI. This is a man who has built his company up by tearing people down. Stand up Ryan!
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I know it is the gracious tradition of our democracy that the loser of the election concedes to the victor and shows he/she is a good loser and we all move on.
In the event Trump doesn't accept his defeat- in the end- who cares? It will not change the result of the election and it will not change the fact that HRC will be POTUS come January.
Yes, Trump can continue to show everyone what a nut job he is and whip his supporters up for a few days- but at the end of the day, this will all die down and Trump will go on to his next reality show with Roger Ailes- maybe at a new network to rival Fox.
In the event Trump doesn't accept his defeat- in the end- who cares? It will not change the result of the election and it will not change the fact that HRC will be POTUS come January.
Yes, Trump can continue to show everyone what a nut job he is and whip his supporters up for a few days- but at the end of the day, this will all die down and Trump will go on to his next reality show with Roger Ailes- maybe at a new network to rival Fox.
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Democrat Al Gore refused to accept the election result and sent the election to the Supreme Court. What goes around...
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Leaning left? I think not. This is a rightwing lie.
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Historically all our election are rigged by capitalism.
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Trump is the ultimate despicable, leading his band of deplorables.
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"O.K., two critical takeaways. Trump won’t promise to concede if he loses, and if he wins, he gets control of the nukes. These are the only things you need to think about for the next two and a half weeks." Since most of the planet is younger than I and did not undergo the experience of the bombing of Japan, part of that thought may register as an abstraction. Some of his 35% will cling to him so that Planned Parenthood will not get funded. Others will cling to him to deny women's choice by stacking the Court with those who are a little to the right of Attila the Hun. Our historic crowd of racists will stay with him. Just ask David Duke. And so it goes!
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She has learned to deal with the email question: she admitted it was a mistake but has insisted that no classified information was revealed. That is backed by the FBI investigation. I don't see what else she can do about it at this point; therefore it was wise of her to change the subject.
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You're a puppet.
No, you're a puppet.
I know you are, but what am I?
(rinse and repeat)
No, you're a puppet.
I know you are, but what am I?
(rinse and repeat)
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Gail, I miss Seamus sooooo much! Like bigly.
Maybe he can return on Nov 9 in all his rooftop glory, but heaven forbid, not on the roof of the Trumpmobile.
Maybe he can return on Nov 9 in all his rooftop glory, but heaven forbid, not on the roof of the Trumpmobile.
"I'll keep you in suspense"... why even give this clown any more ink or airtime? He's going to end up a Joe McCarthy-like footnote in American politics.
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Any thoughts, Mitch, Paul? Or are you going to slither to the podium and tell American voters, American citizens that it is okay to wait until King Donald proclaims the election result?
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First, let's see if he wins. Not everyone thinks like the Times propagandists.
Those weren't "strange faces" Trump was making during Hillery's comments.
He was doing a Benito Mussolini impression. Nice job, right?
He was doing a Benito Mussolini impression. Nice job, right?
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Too bad Trump won't "accept" what is becoming a Democratic landslide election. Unfortunately the real problem is going to be those people who run out and buy guns because "Obama and Clinton are going to take away my guns". Although a minority of Trump supporters and voters overall, people who are willing to buy guns because of ignorance and lies are dangerous and not the law-abiding Americans the NRA portrays. No one needs hundreds of guns just waiting to be stolen and misused by criminals or terrorists. And no one needs thousands of deluded Trump voters with guns thinking their guy lost because of a "rigged" system. The Republican party by its silence in the face of insanity by its nominee has a lot of damage to US democracy to answer for.
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Two words for all you hypocrit liberals: Al Gore
Do as I say, not as I do...
Do as I say, not as I do...
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This is almost funny. Most of the people parroting the Al Gore talking point probably couldn't pick Gore out in a lineup.
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You mean because he accepted the result when the US Supreme Court republicans stopped the vote count?
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Gore awaited the automatic LEGAL process of Florida, which was a recount. He followed the LAW.
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What difference would it make, whether Trump accepts or does not accept the election results? Short of attempting a putsch and overthrow of government, he will have to bear it.
If anyone is starting a Nasty Womans' Movement, count me ALL IN!
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Trump is now creating coming attractions for his ongoing detached-from-reality show. "Will he accept the election results? Tune in on November 8th to find out!"on Must Flee TV!
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To borrow from Trump himself-he is one crazy "hombre".
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As far as rigged elections. It did seem that Hillary was the annointed nominee. Did anybody else besides Bernie Sanders even try to run. Considering a lot of people don't like her why was she the front funner. BTW I am voting for Hillary but not becasue I think she'd be that great a President but the alternative is to horrible to contemplate.
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Democracy is government by consent of the governed. Not by Donald's consent.
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Every single American should disavow Trump.
His organizations, his businesses, his golf courses.
Never ever use his services. Never give him a dime.
End this idiots input on America.
His organizations, his businesses, his golf courses.
Never ever use his services. Never give him a dime.
End this idiots input on America.
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You can pick the point that Trump won't agree to concede as telling, and pivotal.
I go with his constant accusation that Clinton should have already fixed trade and immigration. She's been First Lady, Senator, Secretary of State, so why isn't everything already done? I don't think the guy understands how our system works. 535 people are necessary to write a law.
If the GOP is banking on being able to rein him in, they should listen. He likes Putin because he understand the concept of strongman and dictator. He doesn't believe that the other elected officials are relevant. He wouldn't accept impeachment. He won't be controllable - he doesn't believe in it, or understand the limits of his role.
I go with his constant accusation that Clinton should have already fixed trade and immigration. She's been First Lady, Senator, Secretary of State, so why isn't everything already done? I don't think the guy understands how our system works. 535 people are necessary to write a law.
If the GOP is banking on being able to rein him in, they should listen. He likes Putin because he understand the concept of strongman and dictator. He doesn't believe that the other elected officials are relevant. He wouldn't accept impeachment. He won't be controllable - he doesn't believe in it, or understand the limits of his role.
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Of course he will concede. He'll do it on his next reality show premiering in January while Hilary takes office.
And the show will be called "Make Trump Rich Again" which is the whole purpose behind his running for president.
And the show will be called "Make Trump Rich Again" which is the whole purpose behind his running for president.
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On a serious note, the Republican leadership had better have a big pow wow right after the election and figure out how they got to this sorry state (Donald Trump as a candidate) and what they are going to do to try and shore up their party and get some people that the bulk of americans can support (women, moderate republicans, moderate democrats, young people, etc) they are a sad group of extremists that are going to write themselves out of the history books at this rate.
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It isn't that only That Man may refuse to graciously accept the fact that Hillary will be POTUS after the election, but that his supporters will not accept it.
When you consider how gracelessly and petty the Republicans accepted defeat when Obama became POTUS, why are we so shocked at That Man's attitude which seems to be part of the Republican manta: if I don't win, everyone is cheating, but if I win, then no one cheated.
God! It sounds like we have more to worry about after the election even than we have right now.
When you consider how gracelessly and petty the Republicans accepted defeat when Obama became POTUS, why are we so shocked at That Man's attitude which seems to be part of the Republican manta: if I don't win, everyone is cheating, but if I win, then no one cheated.
God! It sounds like we have more to worry about after the election even than we have right now.
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Trump wants to keep the American public in suspense about his accepting the results? He truly believes the Election is a reality show.
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Obviously, The Man That Won't Be Named would accept a win, and not accept a defeat. Same reaction that any 12 year old bully-boy would make.
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One of the best moments occurred after the debate when Jellyanne Conway was asked by Chris Matthews about Trump supporting the results of the election. She said that Trump definitely would if he won!
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There are still millions of people voting for him.,., take the fight to them and pls go make your comments to them and not each other.., use Facebook etc or go straight to the newspaper columns and comment there... go to Fox News or WSJ or any red state paper.
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A reasonable idea; however, as in the case of Facebook, for one example, "take[ing] the fight to them" is often framed in an insulting way, which is never the way to win an argument. Too many people, convinced of their own righteousness who think everyone should agree with their views, positions, etc., come off as condescending, arrogant and dismissive.
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"Trump wouldn’t say if he’d accept the election results."
Typical response from someone who has the temperament of a junior high schooler.
A SPOILED junior high schooler.
Typical response from someone who has the temperament of a junior high schooler.
A SPOILED junior high schooler.
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When the evidence is damning and mounting daily that Clinton and community organizer Obama, Alinsky disciples both, and the entire Clinton Machine, including the agitprop press and the Obama WH, are all involved in the corrupting of this election—a conspiracy to install Clinton—why would anyone accept a Clinton "win" as legitimate?
The premise of the argument proffered by Clinton last night, that this is a "clean, free election," is patently false, and her noxious argument is circular, in any case.
The real threat to American democracy and liberty isn't Trump's comment but rather, Clinton's corruption.
The D operative involved, a felon, who visited Obama 47 times, was fired yesterday, tacit admission of the conspiracy to steal this election.
The D dirty-tricks disruptor/operative was caught on tape unwittingly providing admissions of voter fraud, inciting violence at Trump rallies ("bird-dogging") & a dark money trail to the DNC and Clinton campaign.
The premise of the argument proffered by Clinton last night, that this is a "clean, free election," is patently false, and her noxious argument is circular, in any case.
The real threat to American democracy and liberty isn't Trump's comment but rather, Clinton's corruption.
The D operative involved, a felon, who visited Obama 47 times, was fired yesterday, tacit admission of the conspiracy to steal this election.
The D dirty-tricks disruptor/operative was caught on tape unwittingly providing admissions of voter fraud, inciting violence at Trump rallies ("bird-dogging") & a dark money trail to the DNC and Clinton campaign.
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Can Trump dig a hole or what? This news cycle will be brutal and Kellyanne will be wearing hip boots on Morning Joe. Ex Mayor Rudy will be carted off to the lockdown section of Bellleview Hospital saying that Trump believes in democracy. The Trump daughters will open a fashion outlet on 8th Avenue and 42nd Street. If (only) Trump knew French: Liberty - equality - brotherhood (in English) might another movement be born. Of course he old speaks New York slang "grab a pelvic floor" to wake up your day.
"O.K., two critical takeaways. Trump won’t promise to concede if he loses, and if he wins, he gets control of the nukes. These are the only things you need to think about for the next two and a half weeks."
Nope. Only one critical takeaway. If Trump wins, he gets the launch codes. End of discussion. He is clearly unwell (as Aimee Mann sings in her 30 in 30 contribution) and therefore cannot be allowed to win.
Remember this when you wake up on Election Day people. And go vote.
Nope. Only one critical takeaway. If Trump wins, he gets the launch codes. End of discussion. He is clearly unwell (as Aimee Mann sings in her 30 in 30 contribution) and therefore cannot be allowed to win.
Remember this when you wake up on Election Day people. And go vote.
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Donald Trump is not merely a joke, he is a very bad joke.
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Trump is right. Bigger the gap he loses by, more it's rigged. And by most indications, this one is going to be the most rigged in US history.
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What indications?
Yeah, right. It's rigged because the race is between a highly competent, very skilled and knowledgable person, and a totally incompetent, lying bully who depends on cheap celebrity for fame.
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Complete nonsense. Hillary will in a landslide because the voters will vote for like a landslide. Are you sorry you voted for Trump in the primary?
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There should be a general boycott all Trump businesses until he accepts the outcome of the election and admits that it wasn't rigged. This is the only thing that he understands.
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It is already happening. We stopped going to the TRUMP hotel in Vegas. Anything TRUMP related is related to the trash bin from now on. Good luck TRUMP family.
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Of course he's not accepting the outcome. The man acted like a petulant child all night. Can you imagine all the trouble he'd cause if he took that debate style into negotiations? And he would; his behavior over the past 30+ years demonstrates that conclusively.
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Donnie represents the worst of all human qualities
Prepare for martial law :(
Prepare for martial law :(
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There were a few typos in the Column.
"He promised to run the country 'the way I run my company'”
should read
"He promised to ruin the country 'the way I ruin my companies.'"
"He promised to run the country 'the way I run my company'”
should read
"He promised to ruin the country 'the way I ruin my companies.'"
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It is America and one can CHOOSE to accept results or not especially fraudulent results. I would rather a person be honest with an answer instead of a political player or one who panders for votes or placates like Clinton.
The logic here is tstaggering. Our American freedoms free us to destroy the institutions and traditions that assure our American freedoms?
Or am I overthinking this? Does the "argument" above really amount to little more than a version of the timeless toddler outburst "you're not the boss of me!"?
Or am I overthinking this? Does the "argument" above really amount to little more than a version of the timeless toddler outburst "you're not the boss of me!"?
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If there are riots in the streets because Trump's told his supportersthat the election was "rigged" or "stolen," you would be most grateful for a routine, peaceful transfer of power. You need to get it: this is not about one election (which can't can't, and won't, be "stolen"). This is about the possible end of democracy in America. Trum believes that if he loses this election, America should become a banana republic.
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Party Politics are immensely powerful. The party core supporter will vote Republican irrespective of who represents it. It is the same the world over. For instance here in South Africa people will continue to vote for the ANC despite the fact that President Zuma has stolen billions and have dodged over 200 criminal charges for years.
Hope that sanity will prevail amoungst your undecided fringe voters and that they will save America from the humiliation that Trump will no doubt bring you.
Hope that sanity will prevail amoungst your undecided fringe voters and that they will save America from the humiliation that Trump will no doubt bring you.
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Trump will not just destroy the GOP, he will destroy US democracy. People question election results in Afghanistan, not the US. How embarrassing!
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Gail, when I saw you shift into the italic font in the failing New York Times, I audibly muttered, "Such a nasty woman." Of course, the implied wording was, "Such a nasty woman. Sad." But there's no doubt: You Made America Guffaw Again.
A website did one of those "instant post-debate" polls after the final debate. As I write (5 a.m. Eastern Time Thursday), voting remains open. The following is copied from the poll page:
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You watched at home — now make your voice heard! Who won the third debate? Vote below to tell us who you believe was tonight’s winner:
Who won the debate?
Donald Trump 43.43% (80,915 votes)
Hillary Clinton 56.57% (105,400 votes)
Total Votes: 186,315
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Trump Svengali Steve Bannon would be familiar with the website hosting the poll. I won't keep you in suspense: It's Breitbart.com.
Fact-check me at http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/19/poll-won-thir... !
The Trump camp will explain away these (meaningless) results by parading Melania in front of a camera to say the online voters had been egged on by Billy Bush. Their votes in this survey are not who they really are. Or, the voting was rigged. Sad.
In 1972, 1980, 1984, and 1988, a ticket received more than 400 (rigged) Electoral Votes. It hasn't happened since. Will it happen in 2016? I'll tell you when we get there.
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Gail, when I saw you shift into the italic font in the failing New York Times, I audibly muttered, "Such a nasty woman." Of course, the implied wording was, "Such a nasty woman. Sad." But there's no doubt: You Made America Guffaw Again.
A website did one of those "instant post-debate" polls after the final debate. As I write (5 a.m. Eastern Time Thursday), voting remains open. The following is copied from the poll page:
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You watched at home — now make your voice heard! Who won the third debate? Vote below to tell us who you believe was tonight’s winner:
Who won the debate?
Donald Trump 43.43% (80,915 votes)
Hillary Clinton 56.57% (105,400 votes)
Total Votes: 186,315
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Trump Svengali Steve Bannon would be familiar with the website hosting the poll. I won't keep you in suspense: It's Breitbart.com.
Fact-check me at http://www.breitbart.com/2016-presidential-race/2016/10/19/poll-won-thir... !
The Trump camp will explain away these (meaningless) results by parading Melania in front of a camera to say the online voters had been egged on by Billy Bush. Their votes in this survey are not who they really are. Or, the voting was rigged. Sad.
In 1972, 1980, 1984, and 1988, a ticket received more than 400 (rigged) Electoral Votes. It hasn't happened since. Will it happen in 2016? I'll tell you when we get there.
Let's put all of this together:
Insists that institutions are "rigged" against him,
Refuses to promise to accept outcome of election,
Suggested that "Second Amendment Folks" can "do something" about Clinton,
Has advocated personal violence at campaign rallies,
Has followers who have publicly claimed readiness to join militia if Clinton wins.
What do we thing are the likely outcomes, how soon will they materialize, and how prepared are we for the onslaught?
Insists that institutions are "rigged" against him,
Refuses to promise to accept outcome of election,
Suggested that "Second Amendment Folks" can "do something" about Clinton,
Has advocated personal violence at campaign rallies,
Has followers who have publicly claimed readiness to join militia if Clinton wins.
What do we thing are the likely outcomes, how soon will they materialize, and how prepared are we for the onslaught?
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Of course he won't accept the result if he loses; he is apparently incapable of processing any data that don't fit his self-image of an invincible winner.
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Trump thinks if he pours his own money into the election he is buying the country, just like any other real estate deal. He alone will decide who won, who stays on his property. who goes and who gets jailed.
He is horrifying.
He is horrifying.
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Where is the GOP leadership?
Huddled, and shaking, in the corner - sucking their thumbs.
Huddled, and shaking, in the corner - sucking their thumbs.
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HRC totally out performed him and Trump looked like he was doing a bad Alec Baldwin impersonation.
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Trump is only a heel, while Hillary is a shoe in. Now is the time to donate to Democratic Senatorial campaigns, so that Hillary will have the support she will need to cobble together four years of lasting progress.
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When he said she's a nasty woman, he lost the women's vote.
He's a bad hombre, who won't accept his fate.
Back to reality TV.
He's a bad hombre, who won't accept his fate.
Back to reality TV.
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Reality TV is about as "real" as it gets for that character.
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Gail, put aside white privilege for a moment and know many of your fellow Americans have a lot more to worry about under a Trump presidency than the collapse of democracy or nuclear annihilation! Latinos/Muslims/blacks/Jews/women (include the LGBTQ community) are worried about their very lives! (Reporters, too!)
Bullet holes in the center of reporter's foreheads (a Star of David in the frame!), a Skittles analogy from the alt-right, vague allusions to a 2nd amendment solution, Steve King's claim of nobody contributing to western civilization on the eve of Melania Trump's plagiarism (of a wife whose family her husband contends is un-American!); a campaign known white supremacists fully support--a candidate/predator who assaults and bashes women has created an open season on all lives by inflaming hate.
Nuclear? Before that, we will see teenagers following older women--proclaiming free speech and choice--wearing tee shirts saying, "Grab this!" Fueled by a man supported by the religious right, whose foundation the state declared a "continuing fraud," who bankrupted a casino! Plenty can--and has--gone wrong before the button!
But maybe like Dr. Strangelove, I can stop worrying and learn to love the bomb, --Or maybe America will realize all lives matter!
We share; America is our "mutual estate." Its social atmosphere is radioactive and poison.
Bullet holes in the center of reporter's foreheads (a Star of David in the frame!), a Skittles analogy from the alt-right, vague allusions to a 2nd amendment solution, Steve King's claim of nobody contributing to western civilization on the eve of Melania Trump's plagiarism (of a wife whose family her husband contends is un-American!); a campaign known white supremacists fully support--a candidate/predator who assaults and bashes women has created an open season on all lives by inflaming hate.
Nuclear? Before that, we will see teenagers following older women--proclaiming free speech and choice--wearing tee shirts saying, "Grab this!" Fueled by a man supported by the religious right, whose foundation the state declared a "continuing fraud," who bankrupted a casino! Plenty can--and has--gone wrong before the button!
But maybe like Dr. Strangelove, I can stop worrying and learn to love the bomb, --Or maybe America will realize all lives matter!
We share; America is our "mutual estate." Its social atmosphere is radioactive and poison.
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If you forced yourself to endure watching this "debate," you were witnessing the bizarre behavior of a psychologically-ill man, America's own Caligula. Can you imagine four years of Trump as the Leader of the Western World? Good Lord, deliver us.
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Mr. Trump......(over-dubbed sound of clock ticking)......You're fired!
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Anyone who wants to run for elected office should have to pass a basic civics test. I'm going out today to vote for Clinton. She is the only one of the two who would be able to pass that test.
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I can't believe anyone was truly undecided between the candidates prior to this debate. If they tell pollster that they are, I think that means they are undecided as to whether they will vote at all.
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"Trump won’t promise to concede if he loses, ..."
Trump will sue, endlessly. Suing everybody was the red thread in his business career. Al Gore was perhaps conceding prematurely, Trump will remain a plague undermining the US democracy.
Trump will sue, endlessly. Suing everybody was the red thread in his business career. Al Gore was perhaps conceding prematurely, Trump will remain a plague undermining the US democracy.
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One man can not be allowed to hold the whole country hostage. If this happens, we are no longer a democracy. There must be a way to not let this happen.
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Another phrase to add to the school yard lexicon that describes the candidate whose emotional and intellectual development stalled around 8th grade: "Sore Loser."
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This is a day of reckoning for every Republican running for office in the country. Your party's candidate for President has openly, wilfully, arrogantly disavowed the American democratic process.
Anyone who stands with him, regardless of party affiliation, is as contemptuous and undeserving of being a public servant as he is.
Your move, Senator McConnell, Speaker Ryan, etc.
Anyone who stands with him, regardless of party affiliation, is as contemptuous and undeserving of being a public servant as he is.
Your move, Senator McConnell, Speaker Ryan, etc.
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Kudos, Gail!
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" All those establishment Republicans who’ve been hoping to get through this ordeal by just being quiet and looking sad have got some work to do. Fast."
INDEED! These quiet frauds better speak up, or they will be history too, like their "hero" Trump.
INDEED! These quiet frauds better speak up, or they will be history too, like their "hero" Trump.
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What does he think this is, an episode in a reality TV series? "Stay tuned folks for the next exciting episode"
It's time to stop dancing around the fact that Trump is a person suffering from a fairly serious personality disorder, he at least has an excuse for his behaviour, what's the excuse for the millions that support him?
It's time to stop dancing around the fact that Trump is a person suffering from a fairly serious personality disorder, he at least has an excuse for his behaviour, what's the excuse for the millions that support him?
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Donald Trump's dysfunctional presidential campaign was blown up by an I.E.D. ( Inane Explosive Donald ). He was psychologically rocked by Hillary Clinton's verbal body shots, saying he "choked" in Mexico, and alliteratively labeling him," Putin's puppet". After absorbing Clinton's punches, a squinting Trump began interrupting Hillary, ignoring moderator Chris Wallace, and spewing falsehoods. Ruth Bader Ginsburg was not "forced" to apologize to him, Russia "did" hack John Poesta's Emails, and Iran will "not" be the real winner in the Mosul offensive, Mosul is a Sunni, not a Shia city. After self detonating his campaign, by saying he would keep the American people "in suspense" and may not accept the results of the November election, he threw one last rhetorical haymaker at Clinton, "such a nasty lady", which Hillary ignored and won the debate by a T.K.O. (Trump Knock Out )
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"All those establishment Republicans who've been hoping to get through this ordeal by just being quiet and looking sad have got some work to do."
Exhibit A: Senator Mitch McConnell.
Exhibit A: Senator Mitch McConnell.
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“Giuliani just predicted Dems will ‘steal’ the election in Pennsylvania by busing in people from out of state to pose as dead people to cast ballots.’’
Republican *leaders* owe the World an apology.
Republican *leaders* owe the World an apology.
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Closed after a debate of presidential candidates on Election-2016. Obviously, that both candidates wery tied & not became to use mutual insults. For ordinary voter is known as the show and the candidates did not satisfy all the requests of visitors political performance
Actually, foreign policy where Ms.Clinton blamed Vladimir Putin on hack-attack.It's very dangerous due it anti-ISIS coalition started an offensive in Mosul. But already Sirian president Bashar Assa reported in Media about ISIS \ DAISh solders came into Syria from Mosul. Never been it!
How do you think if one of candidate promised in Wall street about decrease taxes and in public reports - not.
At this time republicans candidate Donald Trump promised even tax deductions on the occasion of the birth of children. We are talking about maternal and child health. Care.
Now the main thing as determined by the states, and in the last week of the electoral college will make the right choice, a choice in favor of economic development.
Actually, foreign policy where Ms.Clinton blamed Vladimir Putin on hack-attack.It's very dangerous due it anti-ISIS coalition started an offensive in Mosul. But already Sirian president Bashar Assa reported in Media about ISIS \ DAISh solders came into Syria from Mosul. Never been it!
How do you think if one of candidate promised in Wall street about decrease taxes and in public reports - not.
At this time republicans candidate Donald Trump promised even tax deductions on the occasion of the birth of children. We are talking about maternal and child health. Care.
Now the main thing as determined by the states, and in the last week of the electoral college will make the right choice, a choice in favor of economic development.
The utter lack of conscience, judgment and seriousness of the people who enabled Trump suggests they think the whole USA is a joke.
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Too bad Hillary thought those four lives lost in Benghazi were a joke - as well as her answers to their families.
At least Trump hasn't killed anyone though wilful negligence.
Does Steve know anyone in the military or intelligence services?
At least Trump hasn't killed anyone though wilful negligence.
Does Steve know anyone in the military or intelligence services?
Predictions:
1. Trump will lose and throw a fit.
2. Melania will file for divorce.
3. Trump will seek a huge book or TV deal.
4. No one will want to work with him.
1. Trump will lose and throw a fit.
2. Melania will file for divorce.
3. Trump will seek a huge book or TV deal.
4. No one will want to work with him.
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I agree except for number 4. As long as there is the possibility for a buck to be made, there will be people willing to work with his kind.
Why would Melania file for divorce? Using what she may well have learned from The Art of the Deal, she traded her pretty face for a decade or so in a golden palace babysitting a man-child. Little has changed from her point of view.
5. Goes on a 50 state bus tour with Billy Bush.
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I am (figuratively) shaking with anger. At Donald Trump - a man who shouldn't have a drivers license, let alone be the candidate of a major, brow-beaten political party for POTUS. I'm angry with all levels of media from Fox News, right-wing rags, to so-called progressive newspapers and broadcast media for their dishonesty at every point as they pretended that being 'fair' means equal time even when one candidate is emotionally unfit and saying things that are seditious. I'm angry with the GOP for letting monsters like Mitch McConnell undermine democracy for the past 8 years as he super-glued bigotry and racism onto the Legislative Branch. But most of all, I'm angry this morning with the faux-informed commentators who keep saying that the third debate had moments of substantive discussion. NO it was not substantive and there was no coherent discussion of proposed policies by the GOP candidate. All he did was reword (sometimes) his campaign rhetoric....over and over again. There is nothing in Donald Trump but a narcissistic ego maniac whose response to any resistance is to threaten to sue or imprison any person who is in his warped mind an enemy. Folks, depending on the time of day, that includes all of us - and probably his family.
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Thankfully it is not the place of the media to refuse to report on a candidate of a major party for office just because they (or you) personally feel he/she is "emotionally unfit or seditious [a dubious assumption]". While one may well argue that the GOP should never have allowed this man to become their official candidate, it is not the place of the media to shun a particular candidate because of their own views.
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You are assuming that he has a driver license. I haven't seen it, have you?
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Trump seems to saying that the system is rigged because the FBI and the US establishment knew that by indicting Clinton it would automatically hand the presidency to him. Therefore they deliberately overlooked and dismissed evidence that normally would have been sufficient for criminal prosecution for the sole reason of keeping him out of office.
I don't pass judgement on the merits of his argument; however, his reasoning seems clear to me on this issue.
I don't pass judgement on the merits of his argument; however, his reasoning seems clear to me on this issue.
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First of all, the only way Hillary Clinton would have been indicted was if the President wanted her indicted. We all know this isn't the case.
Secondly, even if she had been indicted, I don't know whether it would have automatically handed the Presidency to Trump. Her supporters are so blind to the truth that they would probably vote for her anyway. Being under indictment doesn't automatically preclude one from holding office and the accused can always argue that she has been wrongfully attacked by a male dominated justice department.
Secondly, even if she had been indicted, I don't know whether it would have automatically handed the Presidency to Trump. Her supporters are so blind to the truth that they would probably vote for her anyway. Being under indictment doesn't automatically preclude one from holding office and the accused can always argue that she has been wrongfully attacked by a male dominated justice department.
He's actually given a number of reasons that he thinks it's rigged. He's predicting widespread fraudulent voting, with no evidence. He says the media are biased against him.
Oh, the outrage!
Trump might have some questions about the validity of the election.
For shame; for shame.
The media and its choir should consider the other point of view, because the folks from that side could care less what you all think.
Trump is right. This has been a media pile on from the start. From the start the media, which is owned by the very same people who own the Clintons, has been completely in the tank for Hillary. I have yet to read about even one judgment she has made in her professional life (aside from marrying a guy who became president and made her rich) which was on the right side of history.
Instead, all we get is a lot of whereas's and wherefores about how she might not be perfect -- and never let the perfect be the enemy of the possible, but she has a lot of experience, and she's better than the other guy, who surely is a lunatic. And by golly, she's a woman. She'll be able to use the natural gifts of the fairer sex to bring people together. And anyone who disagrees with that, anyone who can see the inevitable trainwreck of corruption and scandal a mile away, is a gosh darn sexist and downright deplorable.
Trump might have some questions about the validity of the election.
For shame; for shame.
The media and its choir should consider the other point of view, because the folks from that side could care less what you all think.
Trump is right. This has been a media pile on from the start. From the start the media, which is owned by the very same people who own the Clintons, has been completely in the tank for Hillary. I have yet to read about even one judgment she has made in her professional life (aside from marrying a guy who became president and made her rich) which was on the right side of history.
Instead, all we get is a lot of whereas's and wherefores about how she might not be perfect -- and never let the perfect be the enemy of the possible, but she has a lot of experience, and she's better than the other guy, who surely is a lunatic. And by golly, she's a woman. She'll be able to use the natural gifts of the fairer sex to bring people together. And anyone who disagrees with that, anyone who can see the inevitable trainwreck of corruption and scandal a mile away, is a gosh darn sexist and downright deplorable.
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Except nobody is saying her ability as the "fairer sex" will bring people together, they are saying her record of working across the aisle, even with people who went after her is proof. As in any other candidate choice.
As for a choice she made on the right side of history, trying to get health care passed, actually passing it for kids. Standing up for women in Beijing, getting aid for 911 responders, these aren't on the right side of history?
As for the middle east it is too early to tell whether supporting the Arab Spring not the dictators will be the right side of history. I very much doubt that had we gone against the revolution of the people then, it would have proven a stabilizing decision. Quite the opposite in fact. It might not be as immediately messy but the long term effects might be very much worse. It is not area of the world in which anyone has ever had much success, really only Jimmy Carter, and even that was limited to two countries.
There are lots of places and lots of things she has done but you choose to ignore that for a candidate who is singularly ignorant of the world. There is no fair and balanced way to cover DJT because of it. He simply doesn't know what he is talking about on nearly every issue, including to steal from Vox here, his own policies. He can't even talk intelligently on them.
The media have tried to appear fair but there is only so much that can be done in the face of such ignorance & lies.
As for a choice she made on the right side of history, trying to get health care passed, actually passing it for kids. Standing up for women in Beijing, getting aid for 911 responders, these aren't on the right side of history?
As for the middle east it is too early to tell whether supporting the Arab Spring not the dictators will be the right side of history. I very much doubt that had we gone against the revolution of the people then, it would have proven a stabilizing decision. Quite the opposite in fact. It might not be as immediately messy but the long term effects might be very much worse. It is not area of the world in which anyone has ever had much success, really only Jimmy Carter, and even that was limited to two countries.
There are lots of places and lots of things she has done but you choose to ignore that for a candidate who is singularly ignorant of the world. There is no fair and balanced way to cover DJT because of it. He simply doesn't know what he is talking about on nearly every issue, including to steal from Vox here, his own policies. He can't even talk intelligently on them.
The media have tried to appear fair but there is only so much that can be done in the face of such ignorance & lies.
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"completely in the tank for Hillary"
I have read many, many articles in the NYT--and other major papers-- that were very critical of Clinton over the past year. That the vast majority of papers--including long time Republican ones--have come to the conclusion that Trump would be a terrible president is, in my view, mainly a result of the outrageous and ignorant things he has said. That's just being reasonable, not "in the tank".
I have read many, many articles in the NYT--and other major papers-- that were very critical of Clinton over the past year. That the vast majority of papers--including long time Republican ones--have come to the conclusion that Trump would be a terrible president is, in my view, mainly a result of the outrageous and ignorant things he has said. That's just being reasonable, not "in the tank".
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I know it's hard to keep all your bigotry in order, but I think the deplorable reference was about your racism, not your sexism.
Trump got most of his money from his rich daddy and has plenty of failed business ventures, so maybe you should question his judgment too.
Trump got most of his money from his rich daddy and has plenty of failed business ventures, so maybe you should question his judgment too.
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Rather than a truly frightening moment, I think Donald Trump revealed himself unequivocally as a reality show contestant, not a candidate for President of the United States. It revealed him as an utter lightweight. All he said, really, was, "cliffhanger! suspense! tune in text time! same Bat time! same Bat channel!" It was one desperate attempt to stay in the headlines to the bitter end and that's all he cares about.
The people who might take this as evidence that Trump will foment armed rebellion ought to be reassured that Donald Trump is not going to do anything that will cause him physical discomfort. And as for not accepting the results of the election, we've already gone down that road with the Republican majority in Congress.
If what Donald Trump said scares you, then vote Democrat all the way down the ballot. The Republicans have got to go.
The people who might take this as evidence that Trump will foment armed rebellion ought to be reassured that Donald Trump is not going to do anything that will cause him physical discomfort. And as for not accepting the results of the election, we've already gone down that road with the Republican majority in Congress.
If what Donald Trump said scares you, then vote Democrat all the way down the ballot. The Republicans have got to go.
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Too true. The Republicans have never accepted any Democrat who has won since Reagan. In particular, they spent the eight years under Bill Clinton behaving as though the voting public didn't really mean what they said. Twice. (And it might well have been three times if not for that pesky amendment barring creating the presidential term limits). It was only because of his consummate skill as a politician and negotiator -- a skill Hillary shares, if without his natural charm -- that anything got enacted.
And now we have the ultimate irony. The Republicans refused even to look at the Supreme Court candidate proffered by Obama even though he was a solid compromise. "Let the duly elected president decide." Now that that president is looking more and more to be Hillary, Senator McCain (McCain!) is saying, no matter who it is, we won't even look at him or her. Looks like Trump's petulant, tantrum-throwing, appropriate to a five-year-old behavior is infecting his party.
And now we have the ultimate irony. The Republicans refused even to look at the Supreme Court candidate proffered by Obama even though he was a solid compromise. "Let the duly elected president decide." Now that that president is looking more and more to be Hillary, Senator McCain (McCain!) is saying, no matter who it is, we won't even look at him or her. Looks like Trump's petulant, tantrum-throwing, appropriate to a five-year-old behavior is infecting his party.
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Absolutely that is the real takeaway. Get the Republicans out all the way down the line otherwise it will be more of the same. Somehow people are missing that.
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Did Al Gore accept the results of the 2000 election or did he sue?
Why does any candidate have to "accept the results"?
Results are results and the loser can just hide in a cave.
The winner gets to take office regardless of how the loser feels.
SInce when does a handshake and a concession enter into an election except it may be good manners, something neither candidate seems to possess?
Results are results and the loser can just hide in a cave.
The winner gets to take office regardless of how the loser feels.
SInce when does a handshake and a concession enter into an election except it may be good manners, something neither candidate seems to possess?
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Have you seen his supporters calling for Clinton's death and revolution? That's why.
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It's pretty simple: because democracies run on civility, a sense of common purpose, and respect for other citizens as much as they run on a Constitution and laws.
And because in places where they don't, the losers show up with tanks.
Not sure why this needs explaining to anybody.
And because in places where they don't, the losers show up with tanks.
Not sure why this needs explaining to anybody.
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It's a symbolic gesture that shows Americans and people around the world that our two major political parties, despite all their policy differences, have faith in our system as a whole. That's why.
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On election night, when all is decided, I hope HRC has the chance to say something like this:
"Tonight we made history. This is the time when traditionally the losing candidate calls the winner to concede. I have not heard from my opponent. I don't expect to hear from my opponent. I don't really care if I hear from my opponent. Let's get to work."
"Tonight we made history. This is the time when traditionally the losing candidate calls the winner to concede. I have not heard from my opponent. I don't expect to hear from my opponent. I don't really care if I hear from my opponent. Let's get to work."
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Excellent!
Fragmented comments:
1) Alec Baldwin will have a field day with this one.
2) Donald Trump and a few of his supporters may dream that they, as manly men, can challenge the election results by whipping out their guns (or whatevers) and attacking Hillary, that "nasty woman," but they are deluded. They really don't understand that this country is vast ... and women do vote.
All the Trump's lawyers, and all the Trump's men, can't put this rotten Humpty Dumpty back together again. The Republican Party laid this egg.
3) Did I mention that's I'm in love with Alec Baldwin?
4) There are plenty of great cartoons coming out in the last few days. One shows a woman in a polling booth, registering her vote and muttering to herself "Grope this."
1) Alec Baldwin will have a field day with this one.
2) Donald Trump and a few of his supporters may dream that they, as manly men, can challenge the election results by whipping out their guns (or whatevers) and attacking Hillary, that "nasty woman," but they are deluded. They really don't understand that this country is vast ... and women do vote.
All the Trump's lawyers, and all the Trump's men, can't put this rotten Humpty Dumpty back together again. The Republican Party laid this egg.
3) Did I mention that's I'm in love with Alec Baldwin?
4) There are plenty of great cartoons coming out in the last few days. One shows a woman in a polling booth, registering her vote and muttering to herself "Grope this."
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I will run the country like I run my companies--
Into the ground, at the financial and emotional expense of investors and employees, to enrich myself.
Into the ground, at the financial and emotional expense of investors and employees, to enrich myself.
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Yes and with products made overseas.
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No surprise! Trump and his supporters are ignorant of the basis of a democratic tradition of government and prefer the Russian style of governance! I question if Trump has ever read the U.S. Constitution!
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I cannot understand why people are concerned about whether Trump accepts the result of the election when Clinton wins. His decision in no way affects the outcome. She will still be the president and he is gone.
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Folks are concerned because he has a legion of fruitcake followers who may try to put his words into action. Furthermore, who the hell is Donald Trump to decide in his paranoid mind what constitutes a legitimate election and declare the will of millions of American citizen voters null and void? He and his followers are a clear and present danger to our democratic republic.
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We worry that he is inciting his followers to violence.
Even at this late date, it's very hard to fathom how and why the Republican party ever gave Donald Trump any kind of seal of approval. It defies comprehension. Where is the embarrassment, the shame and the self-reflection of the GOP? Does it have one shred of self-pride left? How could it do this, after we all saw and heard last night, not to mention the previous debates? So, we all had to endure yet another episode of a snorting bull, spouting misinformation and outright lies and his sniveling disregard for American democracy, as it was brought into our living rooms, in bright, living color. Many Americans have been horrified by his behavior since the beginning, as have millions around the world, but the GOP has yet to apologize to the voting public for this travesty. In this nosedive to the bottom, the GOP must take responsibility.
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He was able to begin by attacking Mexicans, his first scapegoats. This united and galvanized people into thinking that without Mexicans, jobs would proliferate and everybody would be rich.
The fact is that Mexicans do the work few Americans want or are willing to do. But, who is thinking when it is so easy to hate and vilify a group. Mexicans immigrants are involved in less crimes than native Americans.
Getting a scapegoat was how Hitler rose in a Germany that had serious financial problems.
The fact is that Mexicans do the work few Americans want or are willing to do. But, who is thinking when it is so easy to hate and vilify a group. Mexicans immigrants are involved in less crimes than native Americans.
Getting a scapegoat was how Hitler rose in a Germany that had serious financial problems.
Not all that hard to fathom. The Republicans allowed the Tea Partiers to run rough shod over the House. It follows that that mentality would support Trump. Sadly there are Republicans with a worthy agenda, yet they are brow beaten in to submission to support the likes of Trump. Courage is not their strong suit.
Very true. Sad, but true.
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We reluctantly accepted the Supreme Court decision of Bush v. Gore in 2000 when the Congress legally should have been making the decision. The torch was passed and Al Gore graciously conceded the election. This is what democracy means.
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But Al Gore sued. So, by definition, he refused to accept the results. After the case made its way through the court system and he ran out of options, he accepted the results.
but he fought it all the way to the Supreme Court as he should have. Don't know how gracious that was.
And, I might add, despite the fact that Gov. Jeb Bush illegally kicked thousands of Florida voters off the polls (helping George Bush to win Florida by a few hundred votes), Al Gore, who easily won the nation's popular vote, conceded graciously.
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Instead of simply name calling "whiner". We need to address the legitimate grievances we as Americans have concerning the voter fraud
1) The DNC shenanigans in nominating HRC
2) The undercover tapes that reveal the DNC paid folks to assault Trump supporters at rallies
3) The lack of police protection at San Jose of Trump supporters to allow intimidation and other events such as Chicago
4) For years ACORN was used to steer elections to DEMS
5) Voter registration paid by public funds to elect DEMS
6) The biased media
7) Pay for Play which is the Clinton M.O.
8) Threatening to Drone Assange
9) Why do we have to find out about these things through foreign sources?
10) Intimidation at the Philadelphia voting booths
11) Targeting of right wing organizations by the IRS
12) The use of the Clinton foundation to award contracts to supporters
13) Lack of voter vetting as is done in most countries including Canada
Sorry, Mr. Trump and the American people have a right to have these questions answered and it is beyond disgraceful to dismissively waive them away by terming them "whining" simply because you are the one controlling the process and benefitting from it.
They need to be addressed or else we are headed to a very dangerous place. The Constitution allows citizens to overthrow their government. This is precisely why we need to properly address concerns about the legitimacy of our elections.
Obviously, "whiner" is not an adequate response to reasonable citizen concerns
1) The DNC shenanigans in nominating HRC
2) The undercover tapes that reveal the DNC paid folks to assault Trump supporters at rallies
3) The lack of police protection at San Jose of Trump supporters to allow intimidation and other events such as Chicago
4) For years ACORN was used to steer elections to DEMS
5) Voter registration paid by public funds to elect DEMS
6) The biased media
7) Pay for Play which is the Clinton M.O.
8) Threatening to Drone Assange
9) Why do we have to find out about these things through foreign sources?
10) Intimidation at the Philadelphia voting booths
11) Targeting of right wing organizations by the IRS
12) The use of the Clinton foundation to award contracts to supporters
13) Lack of voter vetting as is done in most countries including Canada
Sorry, Mr. Trump and the American people have a right to have these questions answered and it is beyond disgraceful to dismissively waive them away by terming them "whining" simply because you are the one controlling the process and benefitting from it.
They need to be addressed or else we are headed to a very dangerous place. The Constitution allows citizens to overthrow their government. This is precisely why we need to properly address concerns about the legitimacy of our elections.
Obviously, "whiner" is not an adequate response to reasonable citizen concerns
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Every one of these questions has been asked and answered, and most of them are manufactured disinformation coming from the Republican party, the Koch apparatus, and others.
For example, ACORN and the IRS. The Clinton Foundation is not pay for play and the press was unable, despite dedicated efforts to find any evidence of this.
Insisting that the facts are not out there is wrong. It's too late in the process for people to reply to the repetition of these assertions yet again, but that does not make them true.
For example, ACORN and the IRS. The Clinton Foundation is not pay for play and the press was unable, despite dedicated efforts to find any evidence of this.
Insisting that the facts are not out there is wrong. It's too late in the process for people to reply to the repetition of these assertions yet again, but that does not make them true.
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Acorn? Really? Sigh.
Elections are controlled by local officials. In most cases, Republicans. And even though I personally think Republicans are acting a bit "off" this year, I think virtually all of the ones in charge of our elections are going to do a good job and do it honestly.
Elections are controlled by local officials. In most cases, Republicans. And even though I personally think Republicans are acting a bit "off" this year, I think virtually all of the ones in charge of our elections are going to do a good job and do it honestly.
It's a bit like trying to reason with flat-earthers and creationists, going after the endless repetition of these right-wing canards.
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I have one question about this. Many people are upset with Trump and his refusal to say he would accept the results of the election if he loses and offer his support (even if only symbolic) to Clinton. The question stems from Clinton not answering the same question herself and from statements she made in the debate. She made it clear that she believes that a) Russia is directly manipulating the election and b) that Trump is a 'puppet' (to use her term) of Russia. If this is the case, should she accept the election results if she loses? If she believes that Trump is being controlled by the Kremlin (that's what puppet means) shouldn't she be saying she will never accept a Trump victory? If she accepts a Trump win, doesn't that mean that a) she is either willing to let a foreign government place its man in the White House or b) she doesn't really believe any of this and is just fear mongering? Either way, she has backed herself into a rhetorical corner.
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Clinton has never, ever even hinted that she would not respect and accept the results of the vote. I think her characterizing Trump's failure to promise that as horrifying amounts to a pretty clear statement that she is not going down that road. But go ahead and ask her, we all know what the answer will be, but let's just keep on with the false equivalences. Trump has been making dark conspiratorial comments about rigging and not accepting a loss at the polls for weeks now, doing a great deal of damage in the process.
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Regardless of Russia dumping emails or any other campaign issue the question is regarding the actual conduct of the election. It's a response to the concern of voter fraud. Donald Trump believes fraud is so prevalent that the election is rigged and Hillary believes the election will be conducted in a fair, judicious manner since it is so largely decentralized.
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She brought up the possibility that Russia was trying to manipulate the election, and there is evidence for that, so why shouldn't she? She did not state or imply that she would question the outcome, as Trump did. Big difference.
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Gail--there's a world difference between acting like a sore loser because your TV show didn't win an Emmy award and not winning a presidential election which affects millions of Americans for the next 4 years. Donald Trump isn't going to take defeat gracefully, that's for sure. What's going to happen on January 20th if and when Hillary Clinton takes the Oath of Office as the 45th president? Is Donald Trump going push Hillary Clinton off the stage, declare the election was rigged, and take the Oath of Office in her place?
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Hillary looked especially beautiful and serene. Or stern at times, as warranted by the man on the stage with her and the terrifying threat he poses.
Trump appeared to be sedated, with very red, very glassy eyes. His facial expressions were baffling, as if he had live electrical wires shooting random charges to some tender part of his body.
Chris Wallace was excellent. He did the job none of the other "journalists" were able to do: He maintained order and held the candidates accountable.
A great night for Hillary; a great night for democracy.
Now go out there and vote!
Trump appeared to be sedated, with very red, very glassy eyes. His facial expressions were baffling, as if he had live electrical wires shooting random charges to some tender part of his body.
Chris Wallace was excellent. He did the job none of the other "journalists" were able to do: He maintained order and held the candidates accountable.
A great night for Hillary; a great night for democracy.
Now go out there and vote!
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Wallace let Trump get away without answering the question of would he send combat troops to Iraq.
I didn't watch the debate. After the first debate, no more debates were needed. Trump is a very bizarre person, Hillary is normal. With the birther nonsense, trump university scam, and with the icing on the cake sexual assault video is enough to rule this guy out. This might not be enough for the religious right though. Thank god the evangelical supporters have been exposed for what they are, and no longer have the political clout they once had. If trump won't concede, we simply break out the long cane and pull him off the stage "Gong Show" style, and bring out that comic with the brown bag on his head.
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Hopefully. Mrs. Clinton will win and win big and we won’t have to suffer through more of Mr. Trump’s machinations and ridiculous statements. His performance during the debate was an embarrassment to our Republic and an insult to our Democracy. And he so obviously proved he is not a civil person.
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At the end of the debate it proves Donald Trump has no discipline to contain himself. I must say, He started on a good note which lasted less than thirty minutes. He was far from acting Presidential.
Hillary Clinton remained unmoved with solid footings the whole time.
Donald Trump was given many chanced to get to Hillary Clinton and every single time Hillary Clinton outmaneuvered Donald Trump.
There is only one person fit to be the leader of this Country, that one is Hillary Clinton !
Hillary Clinton remained unmoved with solid footings the whole time.
Donald Trump was given many chanced to get to Hillary Clinton and every single time Hillary Clinton outmaneuvered Donald Trump.
There is only one person fit to be the leader of this Country, that one is Hillary Clinton !
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Good grief is the most apt sentiment. We all have reasons to be scared. By Remote chance that Trump will win, despite what the pollsters say, but we all know that Bexit did happen, so pollsters can be wrong.
If Trump wins, we would have elected a sexual predator who has a history of objectifying women. If Hillary wins, she is fine, but we will be allowing back in the White House, another guy who has a history of fondling women, and a notorious lack of restraint when it came to extra marital alliances, http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-clinton-allegations-2016...
Everyone argues that it is Hillary running for President, not Bill. But by electing Hillary we are also inviting Bill back into the White house, they are like conjoined twins in a marriage whose loose definition is forgive your man if he wanders because staying married is more important than kicking him out.
If Trump wins, we would have elected a sexual predator who has a history of objectifying women. If Hillary wins, she is fine, but we will be allowing back in the White House, another guy who has a history of fondling women, and a notorious lack of restraint when it came to extra marital alliances, http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-pol-trump-clinton-allegations-2016...
Everyone argues that it is Hillary running for President, not Bill. But by electing Hillary we are also inviting Bill back into the White house, they are like conjoined twins in a marriage whose loose definition is forgive your man if he wanders because staying married is more important than kicking him out.
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One of the Republican talking points that came up was this has been the slowest recovery from a recession since the Great Depression.
And nobody calls them on it and says well of course, this was the worst recession since the Great Depression.
And nobody calls them on it and says well of course, this was the worst recession since the Great Depression.
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Worse, they tried to prevent the recovery, and are still blocking positive action with every tool in their toolbox.
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AND--no one calls them on the fact that the republicans have done everything humanly possible to prevent a recovery so as not to give President Obama a "victory."
I like animation. Only, from childhood I was perplexed by cartoon villains. Real people couldn't be like that, could they?
Many decades later, I watched the director commentary on The Incredibles and the director said the key to a realistic villain is that the villain believes he's the hero.
The villain believes he's the hero.
Many decades later, I watched the director commentary on The Incredibles and the director said the key to a realistic villain is that the villain believes he's the hero.
The villain believes he's the hero.
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Al Gore did not accept the result of the 2000 presidential election until December 12. 2000. Until then he vigorously contested the election with one of the most massive legal and recount efforts in the history of the US. No one said he was "scary" or "un-American". See Bush v. Gore, 531 U.S. 98 (2000).
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Actually, Bush sued Gore to stop the recount, but was stopped by a Bush election official. The lawsuit was about trying to find the result, which never got, of the electoral college given its closeness. (Gore won the popular vote).
That's what sent it to the Supreme Court. And Gore accepted that opinion.
If this were the same situation, and Trump won the popular vote and might have won the electoral vote, then he would be justified in a recount. But the election is three weeks away. There are no results and he is saying it is rigged. What is his evidence? "Certain populations are voting", "The media are influencing it," "Clinton was permitted to run."
None of that is what rigging means. Except Giuliani's claim that Dems will probably bus in millions of voters to represent dead people. (Proof that this is happening please, not just fevered fantasies. What there isn't any? Ahem.)
So it is very different. The dems have proof the R's are keeping minority voters from the polls. They have proof that Russia is manipulating the election, at least trying to. And still they are not claiming it is rigged before it has happened.
It is not the same.
That's what sent it to the Supreme Court. And Gore accepted that opinion.
If this were the same situation, and Trump won the popular vote and might have won the electoral vote, then he would be justified in a recount. But the election is three weeks away. There are no results and he is saying it is rigged. What is his evidence? "Certain populations are voting", "The media are influencing it," "Clinton was permitted to run."
None of that is what rigging means. Except Giuliani's claim that Dems will probably bus in millions of voters to represent dead people. (Proof that this is happening please, not just fevered fantasies. What there isn't any? Ahem.)
So it is very different. The dems have proof the R's are keeping minority voters from the polls. They have proof that Russia is manipulating the election, at least trying to. And still they are not claiming it is rigged before it has happened.
It is not the same.
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Really? You are talking about the election results in 2000 in Florida, right? The one that was so close a recount had to be performed? The one that kept coming up with a different total after each recount? The one with ballots that didn't always accurately reflect the decision of the voter? (hanging chads, anyone?) The election that was finally decided by the Supreme Court ruling that ballot counting should stop & declared Bush the winner? That election?
Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly the same as Trump not saying he would accept the outcome of the election 3 weeks before election day. I understand your confusion - they're such similar events.
Yeah. Yeah. That's exactly the same as Trump not saying he would accept the outcome of the election 3 weeks before election day. I understand your confusion - they're such similar events.
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@Stephan Gianelli: Florida law required a recount. There was a huge amount of discussion in the papers and on television about the proper legal steps that had to be taken. Legal scholars were consulted many times as to proper procedure.
Gore had also not alluded during the campaign to his armed supporters -- unlike Trump, who has referred to his "second amendment" supporters over and over again, encouraged his supporters to attack protesters, and called for his political opponent to be imprisoned.
Al Gore did not construct the same context that Trump has built around himself. Although Gore sued, he did everything through legal channels. He took the steps required by law. And when the Supreme Court ruled against him, he accepted the ruling and conceded with grace. His supporters were disappointed, but none of them suggested an armed insurrection. The Democrats respect the rule of law.
Trump incites his supporters to be suspicious of the law and legal procedures and thus undermines their legitimacy. If we cannot accept the rule of law, then we will have bigger problems in this country than most of us have ever imagined.
Gore had also not alluded during the campaign to his armed supporters -- unlike Trump, who has referred to his "second amendment" supporters over and over again, encouraged his supporters to attack protesters, and called for his political opponent to be imprisoned.
Al Gore did not construct the same context that Trump has built around himself. Although Gore sued, he did everything through legal channels. He took the steps required by law. And when the Supreme Court ruled against him, he accepted the ruling and conceded with grace. His supporters were disappointed, but none of them suggested an armed insurrection. The Democrats respect the rule of law.
Trump incites his supporters to be suspicious of the law and legal procedures and thus undermines their legitimacy. If we cannot accept the rule of law, then we will have bigger problems in this country than most of us have ever imagined.
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Secretary Clinton described Trump's refusal to accept the outcome (if he loses) as "horrifying" and of course she is correct. But what is even more horrifying is the likelihood that Trump's supporters also will not accept defeat. This will be the most serious problem facing not only President Clinton but also the leadership of both major parties. This country was cheated out of having Abraham Lincoln healing the nation after the Civil War. Instead we got institutionalized racism, the Klan, Jim Crow and the seething hatred that we now see in Donald Trump's campaign. History may look back on our coming struggle as transformative or disastrous.
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No one is giving Sec. Clinton enough credit for her skill in debating an individual who has severe psychological problems. Somehow, and I don't know how she does it, she keeps a balance between managing crazy and rationality at the same time. I will say her job is made somewhat easier as the debate proceeds when Trump collapses into total crazy land---hands waving erratically, interrupting, and Trump's signature debate strategy---name calling. The only suggestion for Sec. Clinton is to reduce the smiling and develop a muted horror look.
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I disagree. The smiling--just now and then at strategic points--sends the message that she understands she is debating a clown.
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Hillary Clinton gives boring answers? Well, perhaps, but the point is she's not trying to entertain us. More important, there's a very good reason she gives "boring" answers: she, unlike Trump, understands perfectly well the dire implications of impulsive, off the cuff answers coming from a chief executive. She's acting like a president. Trump, on the other hand, knows nothing of verbal restraint. Given all the bombshell headlines reporting on what Trump said, he's certainly not boring us. But he also won't win the presidency.
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Why is it "scary" that Donald Trump won't accept the results of the election? I am not scared. Not one little bit.
The next president doesn't win when her opponent concedes, she wins when the votes are counted and the results certified. It is perfectly fine with me if Mr. trump spends the rest of his life thinking he is the rightful winner of the election.
The next president doesn't win when her opponent concedes, she wins when the votes are counted and the results certified. It is perfectly fine with me if Mr. trump spends the rest of his life thinking he is the rightful winner of the election.
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I agree. But two important things: 1. Some of Mr Trump's followers are the kind of people who don't want to take 'no' for an answer; some even have a couple of nifty set of white robes with pointy hats hanging in their closets. The way that Mr Donald J Trump, the nominated candidate of the Republican party, whips his followers into a frenzy at his rallies isn't especially reassuring to the majority of American citizens who could easily follow the lead of their leader.
2. All of the electorate in these United States needs to step up, stand in line and VOTE. The mandate should be so large that even the most rabid of Mr Trump's followers - and even The Donald, himself - can see that there are more supporters of Hillary Clinton than Mr Trump. This is one election that needs every registered voter to take a stand.
2. All of the electorate in these United States needs to step up, stand in line and VOTE. The mandate should be so large that even the most rabid of Mr Trump's followers - and even The Donald, himself - can see that there are more supporters of Hillary Clinton than Mr Trump. This is one election that needs every registered voter to take a stand.
I think the fear many have is that trump seems to be calling for his more unhinged followers to act out in some violent way if he loses.
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Scary mostly because of the way that might incite his followers. But I do agree that it's not scary to the process and strength of us and the U.S.
Trump's threat to protest the election results are tantamount to the disloyalty and lack of patriotism that Conservatives accuse Colin Kapernick of. No, it's much worse. Kapernick is protesting a real ill, the killing of unarmed Black men by police, as well as overall racial injustice. Those are facts. Trump is protesting a fantasy excuse of his own creation. He's spitting on the democratic process. On the Constitution and the flag. Let's see if the faux patriots on the Right have a problem with that.
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When confronted with his record of paying no federal income tax for close to 20 years, Trump does not deny it. When he is accused of using the very Chinese steel in his buildings that he claims is damaging our domestic steel industry, Trump does not deny it. His argument seems to suggest that he believes that Hillary Clinton has been in charge of our government for the last 30 years or so and therefore anything he got away with is her fault.
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You are a liar. The stolen returns in no way show Mr Trump paid no federal income taxes for 20 years. Liar, liar, liar. You're dishonest enough to work for Obama, Hillary, or the media- same thing
Mr. Trump's expressed unwillingness to accept the results of the election is a natural result of years of phony GOP claims of voter fraud. Without proof the GOP has doubled down on this nonsense and now their nominee has taken the next step. So unless I hear clear and convincing denunciations, I can only conclude that for too many in the GOP winning is more important than the most sacred promise of our democracy.
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Did he say he was unwilling to accept the results?
Or did he say "I will tell you at the time. … I’ll keep you in suspense,”?
Or did he say "I will tell you at the time. … I’ll keep you in suspense,”?
Perhaps somebody could explain exactly what it means to "not accept the results of the election"? Are there legal avenues for challenging election results? If not Trump will simply be laughed off the national stage, or is there real fear in some quarters that he will raise a private army and march on Washington?
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There are legal avenues. Just ask Al Gore.
Trump will be joined by millions of his supporters in refusing to accept the inevitable result. Not so much because he won't win, because he shouldn't. He's a horrible candidate and would be a disaster as president. The anger felt by millions of Americans is that the entire system is corrupt to the core. We get more evidence every day that Hillary is above the law, and has been protected by the media. Regardless, the millions who threw an epic temper tantrum and nominated Trump as as a message to the establishment Republicans, are getting their just desserts. Realizing that they have made a massive mistake adds to the anger that caused the mistake. Realizing that they left the door ajar for a thief to waltz right in is maddening. Hillary is the second most flawed candidate to ever win a major party nomination for president, but guess who is the first. She wins in an electoral landslide, so let the backlash begin.
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Because I too, am a nasty woman, I have a dream! Shortly post-election, we learn that because people are completely avoiding Trump properties and products, he is forced to filed for both personal and business bankruptcy and, with money tight, begins to "do" his own hair. Melania files for divorce and exclusive custody of Baron and Ivanka renounces him and is incommunicado, living in Europe. Meanwhile, the boys initiate a DNA test and find out that Donald is not their real father. Then a female police officer, wearing a body camera, steps forward with video evidence of his sexually attacking her. I can hardly wait!
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Yes. I expect to find #nastywoman trending in some form or other! Sadly, we will have the deplorables versus the nasty women fans. I could wish Hillary had restrained herself, no matter how true, from giving a handle to desperate people who are unable or unwilling to realize Trump is part of the problem, not part of the solution.
His business dealings show him to be a despicable con man.
His business dealings show him to be a despicable con man.
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Trump's mind is tryning to cope with criticism, attacks, and lose of respect on an international scale. He is completely wrapped up in the belief all women want to be with him and all men wan to be him. As the head of a business empire he was likely questioned, offered alternatives, but probably never defied.
Voter fraud and a system rigged against him is probably the only way his mind can cope with these events. Logic went out the window long ago.
Voter fraud and a system rigged against him is probably the only way his mind can cope with these events. Logic went out the window long ago.
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Should Al Gore or George W. Bush have "accepted" the election results the morning after in 2000? Contested elections - and even rigged elections are nothing new in American politics. If fact, in the 19th century that was the rule, not the exception. Some still believe Richard Nixon won in 1960 because of what they say were rigged results in Cook County, Illinois. And knowing the dark side of the history Chicagoland, their complaint enjoys some currency - no?
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Here is the definition of treason:
The offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
By not accepting the results of the election or by threatening (or encouraging followers to assassinate the potential or elected official, wink wink, nod nod) that is by definition treason.
Let's call Trumps words by what they really are: treasonous.
The offense of acting to overthrow one's government or to harm or kill its sovereign.
By not accepting the results of the election or by threatening (or encouraging followers to assassinate the potential or elected official, wink wink, nod nod) that is by definition treason.
Let's call Trumps words by what they really are: treasonous.
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Wrong. Per the constitution and US law (18USC2381), "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason...". Saying you won't accept the results of an election (whatever that means) in no way, shape or form constitutes treason. Trump may be a reprehensible character, but these sorts of over the top "crimes" like sedition or treason, merely belie a lack of understanding of the actual law.
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Winking and nodding is treasonous now?
When will Gore be imprisoned as he should for his treason and failed coup attempt in 2000?
Trump's polling numbers indicate 80% of registered GOP voters will vote for him and this includes the vast majority of GOP candidates (few of which have removed their "endorsement") as well as serving elected GOP.
Polls inidicate Clinton will win, but that House will remain GOP and Senate an even split.
The discussion that must be brought forth between now and November 8th: What is the probability of bringing together the USA, that is getting compromise back into American politics (we must remember Gingrich's call to arms regarding President Obama "We must make this a 1 term presidency") with the election of any GOP congress persons, governors or others. Objective evidence indicates without this, America will continue to unwind in this political sectarian war akin to what is seen in the greater middle east.
The election cycles are 2 years. In that 2 years the GOP must be forced to re-establish itself as a party based upon thoughtful evaluation of objective observable and quantifiable facts that address difficult and complex issues facing the USA and our influence and responsibility to the world.
If the GOP is not dealt a complete and thundering dismissal from the stage of elected politics, they party will blame their self inflicted ills upon Trump and neglect the reality: GOP made this Trump Golem and should, as adults, accept full responsibility and learn from their errors.
Polls inidicate Clinton will win, but that House will remain GOP and Senate an even split.
The discussion that must be brought forth between now and November 8th: What is the probability of bringing together the USA, that is getting compromise back into American politics (we must remember Gingrich's call to arms regarding President Obama "We must make this a 1 term presidency") with the election of any GOP congress persons, governors or others. Objective evidence indicates without this, America will continue to unwind in this political sectarian war akin to what is seen in the greater middle east.
The election cycles are 2 years. In that 2 years the GOP must be forced to re-establish itself as a party based upon thoughtful evaluation of objective observable and quantifiable facts that address difficult and complex issues facing the USA and our influence and responsibility to the world.
If the GOP is not dealt a complete and thundering dismissal from the stage of elected politics, they party will blame their self inflicted ills upon Trump and neglect the reality: GOP made this Trump Golem and should, as adults, accept full responsibility and learn from their errors.
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The email leaks show the Hillary wanted Trump to receive the Republican nomination. Trump will lose but a Princeton professor stated this morning on WPFW in Washington that he has paved the way for a more smooth, toned down Christian far right wing candidate to threaten the future of our republican democracy in the future, such as Le Pens daughter in France or other European rightest parties.
Are you actually trying to blame Clinton for Trump? Nice.
Equally amazing and disheartening were the disingenuous attempts by Trump's spin doctors to explain what he really meant. Whether the losing candidate will accept the outcome of a presidential election has never even been contemplated until Trump. How can one nominate and vote for a candidate whose every utterance on such a crucial issue has to be reinterpreted by circus contortionists?
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