good for this young lady. athletes keep this ball rolling. and youngsters in sports remember change begins with each and every person. god bless america
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The US Soccer Federation was started by an act of Congress. It is a non-profit. It gets public monies.
Non-profits have the privilege of operating without paying taxes and even getting direct taxpayer funding, if the American public decides they promote a public good.
If US Soccer does not respect our values of freedom of speech, then perhaps it should stop taking the benefit of our tax dollars and fund their own gig. Maybe Congress can create a new entity to be the official representative of the US in international competitions.
Too often those aligned with the status quo take take take from the public to run their operations. Then, when accountability issues arise, they quickly raise the fact that they are private and can't be told what to do.
The Washington Spirit head (also using a taxpayer funded stadium and operating under a non-profit league) that played the anthem while players were in the locker room clearly violated the league's rules on pre-game protocol. If he is not sanctioned or fined, then why should anyone else?
Using non-profits to benefit yourself and those like you is not freedom, it's freeloading.
Non-profits have the privilege of operating without paying taxes and even getting direct taxpayer funding, if the American public decides they promote a public good.
If US Soccer does not respect our values of freedom of speech, then perhaps it should stop taking the benefit of our tax dollars and fund their own gig. Maybe Congress can create a new entity to be the official representative of the US in international competitions.
Too often those aligned with the status quo take take take from the public to run their operations. Then, when accountability issues arise, they quickly raise the fact that they are private and can't be told what to do.
The Washington Spirit head (also using a taxpayer funded stadium and operating under a non-profit league) that played the anthem while players were in the locker room clearly violated the league's rules on pre-game protocol. If he is not sanctioned or fined, then why should anyone else?
Using non-profits to benefit yourself and those like you is not freedom, it's freeloading.
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I don't always stand for the anthem or pledge, though it isn't a protest for me. They can do what they like.
But, as far as the protesters of today, I wish that they would all go to sleep and have an It's a Wonderful Life type dream in which there was no America. Maybe they'd be living in Soviet America or Naziland. Anyway, I bet they'd want to stand for the anthem when they woke up.
But, as far as the protesters of today, I wish that they would all go to sleep and have an It's a Wonderful Life type dream in which there was no America. Maybe they'd be living in Soviet America or Naziland. Anyway, I bet they'd want to stand for the anthem when they woke up.
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This is a very American problem.
I read once that Americans are the biggest flag-wavers because the Revolutionary War actually had a bare 51% support, and there was a need to rally together all the supporters, and push out the Royalists.
We folks who remained Royalist (Canada) do a fraction of the flag-waving, and heck, Canada has edited its anthem a couple of times because the not-so-sacred lyrics excluded women.
We know well that the symbol of a country is just that, and that "the country" is an eternal work in progress to be supported, but not a god to be worshiped.
Countries are most particularly capable of evils and errors when the most energetic flag-wavers are handed power: they're generally waving it to persuade people up to do something awful that they would not normally consider.
There was just a lot of flag-waving and anthem-singing in the runup to the Iraq War, for instance: your TV screens were covered with the things.
It has chilling connotations in Europe. When they last heard and saw a lot of patriotic singing, and hands-on-hearts, and flag waving, and national symbols held up for adoration: Nuremberg. So you can imagine how suspicious most countries find that stuff. You guys are the outliers on this.
Own your flag and your anthem, Americans. Don't let them own you.
I read once that Americans are the biggest flag-wavers because the Revolutionary War actually had a bare 51% support, and there was a need to rally together all the supporters, and push out the Royalists.
We folks who remained Royalist (Canada) do a fraction of the flag-waving, and heck, Canada has edited its anthem a couple of times because the not-so-sacred lyrics excluded women.
We know well that the symbol of a country is just that, and that "the country" is an eternal work in progress to be supported, but not a god to be worshiped.
Countries are most particularly capable of evils and errors when the most energetic flag-wavers are handed power: they're generally waving it to persuade people up to do something awful that they would not normally consider.
There was just a lot of flag-waving and anthem-singing in the runup to the Iraq War, for instance: your TV screens were covered with the things.
It has chilling connotations in Europe. When they last heard and saw a lot of patriotic singing, and hands-on-hearts, and flag waving, and national symbols held up for adoration: Nuremberg. So you can imagine how suspicious most countries find that stuff. You guys are the outliers on this.
Own your flag and your anthem, Americans. Don't let them own you.
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I believe that the First Amendment delivers the right of Freedom of Speech as a private citizen. When you are on a stage that comes from being in the public eye on someone else's dime (professional sports or national team), your employer can certainly tell you what to do. The 49er's still felt CK had enough residual value and the national team may still feel that MR has the same, and if they do the players may stay employed. If not, they can be disciplined or let go.
Too bad it happened during Heather's last game because she was amazing and should have garnered all the attention of the day in women's soccer.
Too bad it happened during Heather's last game because she was amazing and should have garnered all the attention of the day in women's soccer.
Jay, the rights in the bill of rights are all protections against GOVERNMENT INFRINGEMENT, only. Despite this article's loaded headline about an "American Uniform," while it looks like a government issued uniform, it ISN'T. The national teams are a property of a private organization, the United States Soccer Federation.
And if you read Heather's quote at the end of the article, my inference is that she supports Rapinoe's stance. She certainly said nothing in criticism of it.
And if you read Heather's quote at the end of the article, my inference is that she supports Rapinoe's stance. She certainly said nothing in criticism of it.
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Go Rapinoe! I couldn't agree more
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Not noted in this article is that Megan Rapinoe stood for the Thai national anthem. An anthem that celebrates a country run by a military junta with serious human rights issues. And one where gay marriage is not legal.
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I am a white woman aged 74 who has refused to sing the national anthem or make the Pledge of Allegiance for decades. Yes, I am an American but one who is often not proud of her country, its presidential wars and drone killings, its congressional politicians who are bought by the gun lobby, its endemic racism, sexism, classism and misrepresented history. Instead of standing up for these attitudes and actions that have no place in our country, I choose to sit or kneel in solidarity with persons of conscience like Megan Rapinoe and Colin Kaepernick.
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How terribly sad. These mental children, overwhelmed by their self importance and stardom, but ignorant of history, exercise their constitutional right. Good. That means they don't get sent to prison.
If I were in a position of authority over these lightweights I would exercise my constitutioal right to fire them, and show them the door immediately and publicly.
If I were in a position of authority over these lightweights I would exercise my constitutioal right to fire them, and show them the door immediately and publicly.
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As in "Dead Poets Society", this is a " Captain, oh my Captain" moment, as in the final sequences of this wonderful movie.
Authority, being moral or political is a strange beast : when it fails, force is the natural replacement, as in actual clashes in the streets, or , as here, in forceful message from people who do not accept any more the statu quo.
I would advise people to read ( or re-read ) Hannah Arendt, who wrote so eloquently about this very problem, having experienced the decline of authority from the inside.
Authority, being moral or political is a strange beast : when it fails, force is the natural replacement, as in actual clashes in the streets, or , as here, in forceful message from people who do not accept any more the statu quo.
I would advise people to read ( or re-read ) Hannah Arendt, who wrote so eloquently about this very problem, having experienced the decline of authority from the inside.
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How sincere or valuable is a pledge which must be regularly (even forcefully) repeated? How important is a 'First Amendment' if it can be so casually ignored? Unpopular opinions, spirited dissent and genuine concerns about the status quo are not threats to our wonderful country, they are its life blood.
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I agree with your sentiment. That said, the first amendment protects only against government infringement. The USSF is NOT a government organization. In fact, it is wholly private.
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I can’t wait until some white male does the kneeling bit as a protest against reverse racism and reverse sexism, discrimination, that is, against whites and against males (don’t think it doesn’t exist), against the many shootings of cops, some execution style, think Dallas and the two police officers in New York City, and against his daughter having to see some male identifying as a female in the girls locker room at school and in the girls bathroom. In will come a contingent of security detail and drag him off the field. A suspension and other penalties will follow. Just exercising his right to free speech? Forget it.
These phony balonies. Mirror, mirror on the wall. How can I put myself in the spotlight, get all the focus of attention on me, enhance my brand image. Why, my child, pull a Colin whatever his name is and a Megan Rapinoe. Is this a great country, or what.
These phony balonies. Mirror, mirror on the wall. How can I put myself in the spotlight, get all the focus of attention on me, enhance my brand image. Why, my child, pull a Colin whatever his name is and a Megan Rapinoe. Is this a great country, or what.
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Their psychology doesn't work like that.
Your prime example would be Cliven Bundy, who complained intensely about the horrible behaviour of the actual US government, the ones who were committing vicious tyranny by asking him to pay his rent. Bundy and supporters stressed that the federabl government was illegitimate, had no jurisdiction over Nevada, and on and on....while waving a the flag that represents that government for the cameras.
So, no, the "reverse discrimination" complainants will never disrespect the anthem or the flag, as they are forever symbols of their preferred politics, not the real country that includes others who disagree.
To protest the status quo, they will always wave it while attempting to claim that it stands only for their values and is dishonored only by everybody who disagrees with them.
Your prime example would be Cliven Bundy, who complained intensely about the horrible behaviour of the actual US government, the ones who were committing vicious tyranny by asking him to pay his rent. Bundy and supporters stressed that the federabl government was illegitimate, had no jurisdiction over Nevada, and on and on....while waving a the flag that represents that government for the cameras.
So, no, the "reverse discrimination" complainants will never disrespect the anthem or the flag, as they are forever symbols of their preferred politics, not the real country that includes others who disagree.
To protest the status quo, they will always wave it while attempting to claim that it stands only for their values and is dishonored only by everybody who disagrees with them.
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As a white male, I am quite confident in saying that reverse racism and reverse sexism, whatever you think they are, do not exist to more than a trivial level, and are far less of a problem than actual racism and sexism still are. Don't believe it? For how long has the very county in which you live been fighting a consent decree about decades of pervasive housing discrimination? I live in Nassau, a county as segregated as Westchester is. There is none so blind as he who will not see, Donald.
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Kneeling. What does kneeling represent? What does it even mean?
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What's the matter with Victor Mather?
He wrote: "The game Thursday night was the final one in the national team career of the beloved player Heather O’Reilly, prompting some to criticize Rapinoe for stealing O'Reilly’s moment."
He fails to name those "some," but he went on to quote what O'Reilly said to ESPNW, and there didn't seem to be any disagreement by O'Reilly about Rapinoe's stance. o'Reilly seemed to admire Rapinoe's idealism.
Name the critics, or drop the criticism.
He wrote: "The game Thursday night was the final one in the national team career of the beloved player Heather O’Reilly, prompting some to criticize Rapinoe for stealing O'Reilly’s moment."
He fails to name those "some," but he went on to quote what O'Reilly said to ESPNW, and there didn't seem to be any disagreement by O'Reilly about Rapinoe's stance. o'Reilly seemed to admire Rapinoe's idealism.
Name the critics, or drop the criticism.
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What do athletes do when a player is injured? Take a knee. The fantasy of the game gives way to reality of serious injury to a teammate and even opponent. It is a sign of respect for something outside of the game.
Standing for the National Anthem means different things to different people. To most sports fans, it is the last agonizing few minutes before the anticipated start of the game. I doubt many people are reflecting about much of anything as the song labors to its anticipated end. The cheering at the end is for the home team and start of the game. Of course, there are some who view it differently, but I have attended enough sporting events to know the norm is one of anticipation for the start of the game. I doubt a majority of fans would protest if we skipped the whole thing.
I support Megan Rapinoe and anyone else who takes a knee for whatever reason they believe is important. I respect the folks who stand up and get some kind of patriotic high from singing the song.
I don't respect the people who act like in the "land of the free and home of the brave" there is a dictated format we all have to follow. That is called a dictatorship.
Standing for the National Anthem means different things to different people. To most sports fans, it is the last agonizing few minutes before the anticipated start of the game. I doubt many people are reflecting about much of anything as the song labors to its anticipated end. The cheering at the end is for the home team and start of the game. Of course, there are some who view it differently, but I have attended enough sporting events to know the norm is one of anticipation for the start of the game. I doubt a majority of fans would protest if we skipped the whole thing.
I support Megan Rapinoe and anyone else who takes a knee for whatever reason they believe is important. I respect the folks who stand up and get some kind of patriotic high from singing the song.
I don't respect the people who act like in the "land of the free and home of the brave" there is a dictated format we all have to follow. That is called a dictatorship.
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The real opponents of democracy: ISIS, Putin, the government of North Korea, love to see it when America is divided. When you represent the national team and show the world that what divides Americans is more important to you than what unites us, you encourage them in their cultures of hate against gays and other minorities, against religious freedom and against democracy.
Americans should respectfully push each other to change and improve. But if you do not respect America enough or are too embarrassed to be an American to stand for the anthem then you should not represent the country to the world.
Americans should respectfully push each other to change and improve. But if you do not respect America enough or are too embarrassed to be an American to stand for the anthem then you should not represent the country to the world.
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We're always divided. What makes our country special is that we can disagree, publicly and respectfully. In your view these athletes are not "respectful," but let's separate for a moment the content of their speech from its respectfulness. I haven't heard any of these athletes say is that their view is the only valid one. They've never said anyone else has to take a knee. So which side is being respectful and honoring liberty and American values?
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Being an American is not decided by standing on not standing. Read the Constitution. Its not a question of respect as to the nation, its about bringing focus on what some see as an issue in America. And it certainly brought focus. Nate Boyer, a former Seattle Seahawk player along with 6 years as a former Army Green beret praises the 49er QB for his donations to Boyer's charity for wounded vets and a "God Bless Our Troops" inscription on a football Kaepernick gave him. All long before this kneeling thing hit the news. That seems like way more respect that that any standing shows.
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That is a wild guess and misinterpretation. What you mention are people who brook no dissent. We are strong enough for dissent to NOT divide us. We have the freedoms that they don't. Remember how Junior Bush used to say "they hate us for our freedoms?"
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It is her first amendment rights to protest. I blame it on the coash and USNWT to let her play. She should be removed from the national team permanently.
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People should be punished for exercising their rights? Can I fire my employee who's political views or religious practices are different from my own.
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Voltaire once said, I may disagree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it. In America anyone anywhere at at any time has a constitutional right to peacefully demonstrate regarding any issue, and everyone else has a similar right to disagree —but no one has a right to prohibit or punish a demonstrator.
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We completely do! She plays for the United States Team! Which is funded, I believe my the tax payers of this great nation. Along with hefty donations and sponsonsorships. Not to mention some corporations actually decide to sponsor separately idiots like her! Now they have the right to pull their money! Pull we certainly can demand her to either benched or dropped from her precious backup role on the ladies team! I am sure they're 100's if not 1000's of God fearing Flag loving American's out there!!
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people from many countries died for freedom. my country right or wrong isn't patriotism it's child like foolishness. rapinoe didn't hurt anybody. she didn't insist people join her. all she did was exercise her right. anybody with a sense of history, would say ww2 embodies that ideal. her country certainly wasn't fighting for its freedom in Vietnam or Cambodia or laos or Iraq or Afghanistan or panama or grenada or......
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If you want to do something patriotic donate your earnings from playing on the national team to the VA with specific instructions to help wounded female vets recover.
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Those other players standing don't have to because they stood up?
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She represents our country...just follow the usual protocol and stand...or quit the team.
When she actually spends some of her own money or own time to make others aware of her cause, then I'll pay attention. Otherwise...too much, too little, too late. It's all about her. It has no impact on legislation to improve gay rights.
When she actually spends some of her own money or own time to make others aware of her cause, then I'll pay attention. Otherwise...too much, too little, too late. It's all about her. It has no impact on legislation to improve gay rights.
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Her kneeling has nothing to do with gay rights. Its about attention being brought to what see as an issue between cops and blacks, which has NOTHING to do with her personally.
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"While Kaepernick and several other athletes who emulated him in recent weeks were on professional league teams or school teams, Rapinoe was representing her country, which raised the stakes in many minds."
Is that really what makes the huge difference between Rapinoe? Somehow I don't buy it. They're making a big fuss about it because it's a woman who does it. If the guys do it, what are you going to do, wrestle them down? But, hey, it's a woman, and a lesbian, no less. That makes her instantly more vulnerable. In this day and age when there are still large swath of population who believes they have more right to decide what a woman can do to her own body, the far stronger reaction to Rapinoe does not surprise me at all.
Is that really what makes the huge difference between Rapinoe? Somehow I don't buy it. They're making a big fuss about it because it's a woman who does it. If the guys do it, what are you going to do, wrestle them down? But, hey, it's a woman, and a lesbian, no less. That makes her instantly more vulnerable. In this day and age when there are still large swath of population who believes they have more right to decide what a woman can do to her own body, the far stronger reaction to Rapinoe does not surprise me at all.
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Good for Ms. Rapinoe, a brave young woman. Aldous Huxley almost had it right. But - who needs Big Brother when you're completely surrounded by mindless zombies all standing at attention while declaring their nationalistic allegiance to the flag? God Bless America = Javohl, mein commandant!
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Megan, you are making a statement that lots of folks just cannot get their heads around, there are terrible atrocities being done to Americans of color that should have ended many years ago. Once America really live up to its written code, then can we all stand together when the national anthem is being rendered.
Thank you, Dear Brave Lady.
Thank you, Dear Brave Lady.
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You're playing on the United States Soccer Team, representing the United States. If you have such a problem with your country, how about you put your money where your mouth is and resign your position?
There are very few things that bind us together as a nation and one of them is the National Anthem. Following this logic, everyone and anyone with an issue can decide to sit or kneel. "I'm protesting the lack of universal health care" or "I'm protesting the lack of LGBTQ equal protection" or "I want the government off of my gun rights!" Where does this end?
It degrades the common bond that ties us together as Americans and in the end makes us less likely to try and understand one another.
There are very few things that bind us together as a nation and one of them is the National Anthem. Following this logic, everyone and anyone with an issue can decide to sit or kneel. "I'm protesting the lack of universal health care" or "I'm protesting the lack of LGBTQ equal protection" or "I want the government off of my gun rights!" Where does this end?
It degrades the common bond that ties us together as Americans and in the end makes us less likely to try and understand one another.
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"There are very few things that bind us together as a nation".... how about the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? The founding fathers would be spinning in their grave to see "patriots" enforcing a song or other loyalty test. How far we've descended. For shame.
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Her not standing makes her not an American? Is that in the Constitution? Of course everyone can decide whether to decide whether to sit, kneel or raise a fist as those American runners did in the 68 Olympics. It is Freedom of Choice which is in the Constitution. If YOU think an song is what binds us together how sad. Its freedoms well spelled out and our choice to use them or not.
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"America love it or leave it". This discussion is pretty suprising. Megan clearly respects the US, she has played and played very well for this team. Yet she is demonstrating in a very international forum what it is about the US that makes it one of many very special places, the ability to express your own views without being fired or fearing for the safety of yourself or your family. Especially admirable when those views are aspirational. I do admit some asymmetry in my own thinking. I would be pretty upset if she were kneeling to demonstrate her belief that Obama was not born in the US.
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Kaepernick may be an uninformed fool, but he plays for the NFL, a private organization with no connection to our country. So if his employer is fine with his antics, why should anyone care?
Ms. Rapinoe however is an utter disgrace because she plays for America's national team and therefore represents our country. If she hates America so much that she kneels during our anthem, she needs to be expelled from the team immediately.
Ms. Rapinoe however is an utter disgrace because she plays for America's national team and therefore represents our country. If she hates America so much that she kneels during our anthem, she needs to be expelled from the team immediately.
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Actually, she is playing for a private organization, the USSF.
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How does stating ones dissatisfaction with our nations progress in living up to our ideal of equality equal "hating our country"? If that is the case then every trump supporter should lose their voting rights
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Well done Meagan for exercising your constitutional rights!
I'm hoping that all of the men that run the National team remember that as they are likely to want to push you out for not toeing the line. The line that they establish.
Head up. I hope that your injury has healed completely. Regards
I'm hoping that all of the men that run the National team remember that as they are likely to want to push you out for not toeing the line. The line that they establish.
Head up. I hope that your injury has healed completely. Regards
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If Megan Rapinoe believes so strongly in the cause then she shouldn't even have pulled the jersey on.
I support her silent protest with the Seattle Reign but under no circumstances do I support this protest with the National team.
I support her silent protest with the Seattle Reign but under no circumstances do I support this protest with the National team.
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I decided not to respond to any specific comment. But here is what I have to say: I have seen a lot of "America Love it or Leave it" comments recently. If what is happening in america is so disturbing to them, they should be the first to go!
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Thank you.
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When Kaepernick simply failed to stand during the anthem, I found it objectionable -- like a kid slouched in a seat too lazy to get up.
But kneeling or giving a black power fist salute is different. It shows some respect, while making the point that there are still issues to be dealt with.
Showing respect does not mean one approves of everything. When leaders son different countries meet, they show respect when the anthem is played or flag raised, even when they have significant differences.
But kneeling or giving a black power fist salute is different. It shows some respect, while making the point that there are still issues to be dealt with.
Showing respect does not mean one approves of everything. When leaders son different countries meet, they show respect when the anthem is played or flag raised, even when they have significant differences.
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So where were all the cheer leaders for these sorts of protests (including the POTUS) when Tim Thomas, goalie for the Stanley Cup Champion Bruins, refused to join the team in their ceremonial visit to the White House?
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I applaud Ms. Rapinoe for her actions during the time the national anthem was played before last night's soccer game against Thailand. If everyone gave as much thought to what the anthem means to them and to others, as Ms. Rapinoe clearly has done, our country would be much better off. Patriotism is so much more than singing the national anthem or wearing a U.S. flag lapel pin. Please give some consideration to those who risk incurring others' anger or even risk their own livelihood to have the courage to say that their country can be much better.
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Richard, Thank you for pointing out that the Country can be much better, and that all the superficial rituals we follow, such as saluting the flag, often mask an ignorance of what true patriotism is,
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Today 'patriotism' has been defined as accepting and supporting anything government or authority does. That includes immoral actions, and loss of our personal freedoms. Do not accept the blanket explanation of "keeping us safe", or the doing of a military job as "heroism". Is there equal opportunity for all our citizens, and how do you view immigrants from other countries? These waters run deep.
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The vast majority of global viewers has no idea of her personal agenda; it simply looks as if she's being unpatriotic, playing right into the hands of ISIS, et al.
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Wow, that's quite a road from the kneeling Megan Rapinoe to Isis.
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Steve
What about Ms. Rapinoe's stance plays into ISIS hands???
The fact that in the USA we don't have to kowtow to the establishment and we have the right to protest what we consider injustices?
What it actually shows is that we have the freedom to voice our discontent, whereas the ISIS members are mere puppets: a subjugated populous living in constant terror.
The contrast couldn't be greater, and we should be proud of the difference!
What about Ms. Rapinoe's stance plays into ISIS hands???
The fact that in the USA we don't have to kowtow to the establishment and we have the right to protest what we consider injustices?
What it actually shows is that we have the freedom to voice our discontent, whereas the ISIS members are mere puppets: a subjugated populous living in constant terror.
The contrast couldn't be greater, and we should be proud of the difference!
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Kind of like when Trump said Obama and Clinton are the leaders of ISIS; did you protest this as playing into the hands of ISIS as well?
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As someone who turned his back to the flag or remained seated when the Anthem was played at sporting events in protest of both the Vietnam War and, later, W's Iraq War, I am totally in support of Ms. Rapinoe and everyone else using the opportunity to take similar stances in protest of other important issues in our society. Their non-verbal statements, backed up by coherent explanations, are a much more civil form of discourse than what takes place in our current Congress.
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U. S. Soccer talks about "the liberties and freedom we all appreciate in this country." And then the next sentence is their expectation, which sounds like a veiled threat, that players and coaches should conform and assume the official posture.
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If the USSF sanctions Rapinoe, they won't have a single midfielder who is a fluent passer. Good thing it's still two years away from WWC qualifying.
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I always thought the most fundamental thing the flag and anthem represented was freedom. Freedom is worth nothing until it's used. That's what these athletes are doing -- it's free expression. Frankly, I'm more offended by the way a cynical profiteering organization like the NFL wraps itself in the flag, the military, and other national symbols. That's really a travesty, not the personal opinions of individual athletes in a free country.
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How you look at total lack of freedom of expression, blacklisting as speaker, denial to work in his world-renown lab, bringing him to poverty, even forcing him to auction of his Nobel Prize ... as our "progressive" freedom excommunicated and stomped over James Watson, the most important discovery making scientist and fellow American?
JK, that is total nonsense. For many years, Watson has been the director of the prestigious Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory on Long Island, where he mentored several other Nobel Laureates. Poverty? No way.
He auctioned off his medal for charity. It was bought by Alisher Usmanov, the minority owner of Arsenal, who returned the medal to Watson.
Watson is still at CSH, as Director emeritus.
He auctioned off his medal for charity. It was bought by Alisher Usmanov, the minority owner of Arsenal, who returned the medal to Watson.
Watson is still at CSH, as Director emeritus.
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Injustice hurts every member of a community, without exception. We have
not just the right, but the obligation, to fight it in whatever way
we can. Rapinoe has found hers! Good for her!
not just the right, but the obligation, to fight it in whatever way
we can. Rapinoe has found hers! Good for her!
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It's a civil way to bring more attention to a much needed topic. Let's move on from the "controversy" to the discussion.
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Actually, she was cleverly enjoying a few seconds of resting on the ground to recharge for the game. (wink)
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I identify as Catholic but I disagree strongly with many current "teachings" of the Church. I was a Sunday school teacher for the middle school students, but tailored my teachings so as not to betray my beliefs in the right to use birth control, choose to end a pregnancy and the out of date practice of celibacy. I still go to church and am very active there for things like community service. I just keep my mouth shut when they pray to eliminate the right to choose. My parish priest had inklings about how I felt, but still asked me to speak on medical ethics and the church to new converts.
You can find ways to protest without shunning the entire institution. You can stand for the anthem to show respect for those who had the courage and wisdom to create our country. Then you can do the work of making it a better place. You must like something here or you would leave. If you are going to live here acknowledge the flag and help change what is wrong as you see it.
You can find ways to protest without shunning the entire institution. You can stand for the anthem to show respect for those who had the courage and wisdom to create our country. Then you can do the work of making it a better place. You must like something here or you would leave. If you are going to live here acknowledge the flag and help change what is wrong as you see it.
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Not standing does not shun any entire institution anymore than Ali not accepted being drafted or MLK protests did. It seems YOU may dislike the Freedom Speech, should I ask YOU to leave? Exceptions are made everywhere as to personal beliefs. Jehovah's Witnesses won't stand for the National Anthem out of religious reasons. Schools make adjustment for this various ways. Its called Freedom of Religion. Quakers got out of the draft as to their religion. So you try to convert people to a religion that YOU don't believe in as to some very basic tenets? You would have been great during the Inquisition. And YOUR priest knows this? As a Catholic I find YOUR priest lacking as to what he is suppose to do as to the religion he is supposedly promoting. YOU should be out there trying to change the Church vigorously rather than sit there quietly allowing it to continue on in what YOU see as wrong. As should your priest if thinks your views are correct. I find it weird a priest appoints somebody who is against what the church believes in if he does also. he should be speaking out also. There are nuns organizations who spak out against the church as to certain tenets. It only takes courage. It took a strong stance by MLK to change how his people were treated. Should he have sat idly by?
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I have to imagine (or at least hope) that the people calling for her to be kicked off the team or not play aren't thinking through the implications of what they are asking for.
Do you want it to be a prerequisite that all people who represent our country must agree with everything that happens therein? Isn't that the natural conclusion of kicking someone off the team for unobtrusively showing disagreement with our nation's persistent structural racism (and sexism and homophobia)? Even if we did expect utter loyalty from everyone who donned a US uniform, it is impossible to agree with everything that happens in the US because much of it is itself in conflict. There is no one true American state of belief, so it would be both impossible to hold someone to it, and ironically, totally un-American to try because it would infringe on his/her right to free expression.
So, if you don't agree with Ms. Rapinoe, then say you don't agree with her that structural racism is bad (go ahead, you can say it). But don't confuse your beliefs with some kind of pure, inalienable "American" beliefs, and try to have enough perspective to realize that your personal beliefs shouldn't determine who gets to play on our national team.
Do you want it to be a prerequisite that all people who represent our country must agree with everything that happens therein? Isn't that the natural conclusion of kicking someone off the team for unobtrusively showing disagreement with our nation's persistent structural racism (and sexism and homophobia)? Even if we did expect utter loyalty from everyone who donned a US uniform, it is impossible to agree with everything that happens in the US because much of it is itself in conflict. There is no one true American state of belief, so it would be both impossible to hold someone to it, and ironically, totally un-American to try because it would infringe on his/her right to free expression.
So, if you don't agree with Ms. Rapinoe, then say you don't agree with her that structural racism is bad (go ahead, you can say it). But don't confuse your beliefs with some kind of pure, inalienable "American" beliefs, and try to have enough perspective to realize that your personal beliefs shouldn't determine who gets to play on our national team.
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Another example of how players for the WNT have little or no respect for their Coach or Country. It's not a right, but a privilege to represent your country on the national team. Following up the remarks from Solo and the fictional sexism charges against USSF comes this nonsense.
Not hard to see why this team fell out in the round of 16 during the Olympics. No leadership from the Coach or Captain. If you want to make an appearance for your National Team it's not about you or your individual viewpoint..... your not getting selected for the next team. Full Stop. Contrast this with how the Italian, English or Spanish men hold arms and sign for their country during National Team games. Do you think Big Sam would put up with one of the English players pulling a stunt like this? No chance.
Time for Ellis to step up or step down. Let Rapinoe sort out her conscience and her personal feelings on her own time. I won't be tuning in until she is left off the team.
Not hard to see why this team fell out in the round of 16 during the Olympics. No leadership from the Coach or Captain. If you want to make an appearance for your National Team it's not about you or your individual viewpoint..... your not getting selected for the next team. Full Stop. Contrast this with how the Italian, English or Spanish men hold arms and sign for their country during National Team games. Do you think Big Sam would put up with one of the English players pulling a stunt like this? No chance.
Time for Ellis to step up or step down. Let Rapinoe sort out her conscience and her personal feelings on her own time. I won't be tuning in until she is left off the team.
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You must be barely a casual fan. The team was really lucky to win the 2012 Gold Medal (on an unprecedented holding the ball call against Canada), and got good fortune in the 2015 WWC.
The quality has suffered since the USSF-SUM subsidy system was adopted. Few new players came through in the cycle.
But unlike in the 90s, progress has been the product of accidental circumstance. Alex Morgan was a nobody until, trailing in the Intercontinental playoff, Pia Sundhage threw her on late, and she scored the away goal to tie the match, that proved decisive. Then in 2015, the injury to Christie Rampone necessitated taking a flyer on Julie Johnston, who turned out to be the team's second best player, behind Carli Lloyd.
You want Rapinoe cut? Who in the midfield will pass the ball. The rest are below average passers.
Do the rent-a-Brazilians sing for the national anthems of their adopted countries? I.e. Diego Costa, Thiago Motta and about a dozen or more others worldwide.
It's about the game.
The quality has suffered since the USSF-SUM subsidy system was adopted. Few new players came through in the cycle.
But unlike in the 90s, progress has been the product of accidental circumstance. Alex Morgan was a nobody until, trailing in the Intercontinental playoff, Pia Sundhage threw her on late, and she scored the away goal to tie the match, that proved decisive. Then in 2015, the injury to Christie Rampone necessitated taking a flyer on Julie Johnston, who turned out to be the team's second best player, behind Carli Lloyd.
You want Rapinoe cut? Who in the midfield will pass the ball. The rest are below average passers.
Do the rent-a-Brazilians sing for the national anthems of their adopted countries? I.e. Diego Costa, Thiago Motta and about a dozen or more others worldwide.
It's about the game.
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The US is a big country and have a lot of talented players.
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@rsd: the system of NWSL subsidy to US, Canadian and Mexican players has strongly retarded discovery and blooding into the team new, younger, talented and fast players.
Look at how long it took Alex Morgan to crack the team in 2011, and Crystal Dunn in 2016. In contrast, Mia Hamm cracked the USWNT as a high schooler, and a bunch of others as college players. The subsidy system puts pressure on the coach to pick not on merit, but in order to keep the subsidized players getting a living wage.
Look at how long it took Alex Morgan to crack the team in 2011, and Crystal Dunn in 2016. In contrast, Mia Hamm cracked the USWNT as a high schooler, and a bunch of others as college players. The subsidy system puts pressure on the coach to pick not on merit, but in order to keep the subsidized players getting a living wage.
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Funny, but seeing this kind of speech permitted and protected -- even on the world stage by a member of our national team -- is exactly what makes me PROUD to be American. Good for her, I wish I could join her. Or maybe sometimes sub Lift Every Voice and Sing for the Star Spangled Banner - whose lyrics were penned by a vociferous racist.
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Although I am a veteran, I agree with those who refuse to participate in standing for the national anthem. I won't stand either, and I would never serve this ungrateful country again. It sickens me to think that nearly every man in my family and I were duped into defending this nation of spoiled, godless, ingrates. We embraced decadence and now we face our decline.
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Cut her immediately. She has the right to protest and the club has the right to cut her.
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Megan Rapinoe shows courage in not giving way to the enormous pressure to remain silent and conform.
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Then "protesters" in Ferguson, Baltimore, etc. "show courage" to burn anmd looting city blocks down ... knowing all too well that "racist" police can't stop them because liberal media and U.S.A.G. will crucify them.
That's a false comparison. If Megan started to blowtorch the stands during the national anthem then she should be arrested for arson.
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It's weird to me that many people look at society and say "I am ok with the way my fellow citizens of color are being treated" and yet find this victim-less act an outrage.
Why aren't more people (of all colors) protesting?
Why aren't more people (of all colors) protesting?
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This woman has the right to recognize the national anthem in any way she sees fit just as others have the right to feign outrage despite having never contributing a single thing to the betterment of our country.
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Although a peaceful protest like such is technically a right of yours and is defended by the United States Constitution, I believe that in this situation it could be seen as a sign of disrespect toward your own country and your opponent.
It brings a sense of irony when you're wearing your country's flag, yet you will not stand before it during the national anthem. Furthermore, Rapinoe neglected to stand even during the Thailand national anthem, which can even be seen as disrespect toward them.
So in conclusion, I believe that there are other ways and better moments in which it would be better to peacefully protest against our country's flaws.
It brings a sense of irony when you're wearing your country's flag, yet you will not stand before it during the national anthem. Furthermore, Rapinoe neglected to stand even during the Thailand national anthem, which can even be seen as disrespect toward them.
So in conclusion, I believe that there are other ways and better moments in which it would be better to peacefully protest against our country's flaws.
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This is the national team. If she doesn't feel this nation is worthy of her respect, then she needs to step down or be removed. If all current players want to follow her, then so be it. There are more than enough worthy and respectful candidates in the wings to field a team. It may not be world class with regards to athleticism, but it will be a classier team none the less.
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You misunderstand, Emily. It's not that she rejects the country. It's that she wishes to make a statement about a particular unfair application of the standards and ideals our country professes to uphold. It can often be difficult to keep track of nuances like this, but our world is large and complex. Be thankful that you have never had reason to question or have any sort of complaint or disagreement with your government or society.
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Yep, I understand.
Like I understood, 8 years ago, when Michelle Obama declared that - with Barack first being elected - she for the first time doesn't feel bad about our country.
In the same way I also "understand" years of racist venom Obamas' long-term family pastor, Jeremiah White, were spewing and community-organizer and his family was politely, without protest listening to and applauding. They couldn't know that one day he will run for the presidency, right?
Like I understood, 8 years ago, when Michelle Obama declared that - with Barack first being elected - she for the first time doesn't feel bad about our country.
In the same way I also "understand" years of racist venom Obamas' long-term family pastor, Jeremiah White, were spewing and community-organizer and his family was politely, without protest listening to and applauding. They couldn't know that one day he will run for the presidency, right?
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if they can drop solo for saying the other team were cowards they can certinly boot this no name off the team. Sure shes got the right to kneel, just like team has right to drop her contract.
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Pretty wonderful player. She's only be a "no-name" to someone who didn't follow the sport.
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Don't show your ignorance too quickly. Players have no contract to represent the national team. They are chosen for each international period when teams are scheduled to play internationals.
The coach can drop her whenever she sees fit, for any or no reason. But doing so would leave the team with no good passers in its midfield. Um, the team needs to get better, right?
The coach can drop her whenever she sees fit, for any or no reason. But doing so would leave the team with no good passers in its midfield. Um, the team needs to get better, right?
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Actually, a number of players are under contract, but that is only because of a special arrangement involving the national team, MWSL clubs, and those players. But Paul's point, that coaches have carte blanche with regard to who actually plays, is correct.
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The other players should be kneeling, too. Brava, Ms. Rapinoe!
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Megan Rapinoe, I personally have no problem by your kneeling for the Anthem. It is your right and it is protected by our Constitution, but I find it somewhat distasteful that you would deem it appropriate to stand for Thailand's National anthem. Thailand allows one of the largest child sex trade industries in the world with low-lifes from all over the globe visiting there for that specific reason. Thailand offers no First Amendment protections to its people whatsoever. Their military took over power in 2014 and their have been no free elections since and none scheduled.Rather than holding a democratic vote electing officeholders, last year their rulers cancelled numerous events and conferences that they felt were anti ruling party, shut down three television stations, and blocked numerous websites, including the online presence of Human Rights Watch, which brings us this information but not the people of Thailand because the government of Thailand bans it. Ironic that you would find it appropriate to show them the respect during their anthem they so richly do not deserve.
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Rapinoe is a US citizen, not Thai.
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But like other copycat "proteters", Rapinoe in calculated way is playing into OUR, American political correctness, into getting x-tra points in that. She doesn't ncare and most likely has no idea what, for example, Thailand government and military junta record of gross abuse of human lives and horrible lack of rule of law are, starting with #1 in the world sex and minor chilldren pimping industry, women rights abuses, etc.
Sadly, her at best half-educated "protest" will earn her some goodies and promotion from rich and influential liberal donors. She might get, for example, a TV show labeled with some PC-catchy title.
Sadly, her at best half-educated "protest" will earn her some goodies and promotion from rich and influential liberal donors. She might get, for example, a TV show labeled with some PC-catchy title.
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Megan Rapinoe is exercising her rights and doing so in a respectful, peaceful, and silent manner. This is the same kneeling position that soccer players take when a player on the opposing team is injured and they wait for medical crew to assist the injured player. It is a position of silent restraint.
The dramatic reactions to such peaceful protests by sports players sheds light on the hypocrisy of their critics. The critics are up in arms about an action that harms nobody, but underplay racism, bigotry, and abuse of authority which leads to great harm across the country. They are asking her to just go along with the crowd and ignore her own integrity because they don't suffer from the discrimination that she does.
Cowering to abuse is not what our country was founded on. Our founding fathers would be in full support of her peaceful protest. Patriotism is not blind allegiance. American patriotism stands (or in this case, kneels) bravely and proudly for justice, even in moments of silence.
The dramatic reactions to such peaceful protests by sports players sheds light on the hypocrisy of their critics. The critics are up in arms about an action that harms nobody, but underplay racism, bigotry, and abuse of authority which leads to great harm across the country. They are asking her to just go along with the crowd and ignore her own integrity because they don't suffer from the discrimination that she does.
Cowering to abuse is not what our country was founded on. Our founding fathers would be in full support of her peaceful protest. Patriotism is not blind allegiance. American patriotism stands (or in this case, kneels) bravely and proudly for justice, even in moments of silence.
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I find it funny that you think the the founding fathers would support her in any way. You do realize that more of them owned slaves than didn't right. Even though they signed the Declaration the majority still held slaves. It is people like you who believe that it is ok to trash what so many in this country find hope in. The flag and anthem are not perfect just like our country but, they represent what the US can and should be. United we stand. Divided we fall. You probably look at the flag as just a cloth. Many Americans look at that flag as what is draped over ours sons, daughters, wives and Fathers. That is why so many people find it offensive in my opinion to use it as a talking point. You have the right to burn the flag too. Does that make it right. I am sure you would agree it would. You also have the right to do all sorts of things. But you still have to face the backlash from those actions. In my opinion, (and i know it probably doesn't matter to you). If you are representing your country and you don't feel proud enough of your country to stand for the Anthem, then maybe you should decline the invitation to play. And like others stated. Why would you stand for a different country's flag that looks the other way on sex trading and underage rape, but not stand for your own country.
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What's great about this country is that I don't get to tell you what the flag represents for you. Sadly for you, same goes the other way, and you don't get to tell me or Megan Rapinoe or Colin Kapernick or Donald Trump or David Duke or Mark Zuckerberg or Jerry Seinfeld what the flag means to them.
Oh well!
Oh well!
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If the flag is so sacred you should really go after the flags made into shorts, bikinis, aprons, as backdrops for used car commercials, etc.
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Over the centuries, flags and the nations they represent have come and gone. There's nothing in a robust moral analysis of national life measured over time that might suggest it inappropriate for citizens to question both the utility and the morality of any current national project. In fact, what we find is that dissenters of the national project are frequently clear-thinking whereas the mass of dedicated superpatriots are typically the ones needing a civics lesson on what it means to be a citizen of their country of birth.
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Kip, I support Megan's right to be stupid and selfish. She has the right to embarrass her teammates and the few Americans who follow women's soccer. I hope she understands that the American team also has the right to set limits to her behavior while she is working for it. What I'd like to know is who or what is she actually protesting. Or is it that general life isn''t fair and someone's to blame. But it's not me.
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"What I'd like to know is who or what is she actually protesting."
This information is very easily accessible. If you're truly interested, you can find it. I BELIEVE IN YOU!
This information is very easily accessible. If you're truly interested, you can find it. I BELIEVE IN YOU!
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George Wallace, there is no indication that her teammates were embarrassed. Do you have a source that notes that they were?
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It's upsetting how many people feel the need to shout down Americans who are silently protesting the rift between what our country professes are its beliefs w/r/t human rights and personal liberty, and the actual experience of many of its citizens. The idea that the flag only represents Americans serving in the military or as police officers is absurd, and so is the implicit suggestion that there are not millions of Americans proudly serving their communities and their country outside the military.
Do you want to really do something to serve your country? Find a way to make it better. Get off twitter and go serve your community. Shouting down a black man or a gay woman who are - taking a knee during the anthem - doesn't count as public service. Oh, and it's also disgusting.
Do you want to really do something to serve your country? Find a way to make it better. Get off twitter and go serve your community. Shouting down a black man or a gay woman who are - taking a knee during the anthem - doesn't count as public service. Oh, and it's also disgusting.
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It's a free country. Feel free to leave whenever you like.
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Is that your brilliant response, "if you're not happy with inequality in the US, then leave"? How exactly have you contributed to the solution if that is your response, or are you just responding for the sake of?
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And taking a knee advances the cause, how?
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@George: It certainly has people talking, for one thing. And, just perhaps a few people might start thinking.
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Ooooohhh you're so courageous. How about you enlist in our military and fight for those freedoms that you take for granted.
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Say what?? It is precisely the freedoms that not all Americans CAN take for granted that Rapinoe is protesting here. Jeez louise...
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1.) Those of us who do or did fight for our freedoms did so in order to allow her to do what she is (and others are) doing. I'd rather have people exercise the freedoms that we fought for as opposed to silently stand aside in the face of actual or perceived injustice.
2) Our freedoms are not tied to a service requirement. Again, her actions prove that the few are successfully securing the freedoms of the many.
3) Perhaps the freedoms that you think she is taking for granted are not freedoms that she feels she currently has. I'm sure she can tell you many freedoms that she cannot enjoy because of various aspects of her existence. For example, she does not enjoy equal pay for equal work.
4) Courage is not an entity that exists solely on the field of battle.
I, as a veteran, applaud her efforts, and those of others like her, to make this a better country for everyone. That's why I signed up; that's what I fought for.
2) Our freedoms are not tied to a service requirement. Again, her actions prove that the few are successfully securing the freedoms of the many.
3) Perhaps the freedoms that you think she is taking for granted are not freedoms that she feels she currently has. I'm sure she can tell you many freedoms that she cannot enjoy because of various aspects of her existence. For example, she does not enjoy equal pay for equal work.
4) Courage is not an entity that exists solely on the field of battle.
I, as a veteran, applaud her efforts, and those of others like her, to make this a better country for everyone. That's why I signed up; that's what I fought for.
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That's pretty facile. Is there no territory between doing nothing and joining the military? Must everyone who protests injustice in America join the military or else their protest is illegitimate?
I didn't see Ammon Bundy at a recruiting station, did you?
But all that is besides the point. There's nothing in her protest or in her message that indicates she takes any of her freedoms for granted.
To the contrary, she seems quite aware of her freedoms and is protesting that not everyone in America enjoys the same freedoms she does. Get it now? So it's really quite the opposite of what you wrote.
I didn't see Ammon Bundy at a recruiting station, did you?
But all that is besides the point. There's nothing in her protest or in her message that indicates she takes any of her freedoms for granted.
To the contrary, she seems quite aware of her freedoms and is protesting that not everyone in America enjoys the same freedoms she does. Get it now? So it's really quite the opposite of what you wrote.
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I don't understand how genuflecting is a sign of disrespect. It might be intended that way, but it doesn't register thus to me. It's what you do at church in front of the altar, as a mark of respect to the cross. I don't get it, but then, I don't worship at the Church of Organized Sports.
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If you are representing your country (not an NFL, NBA, MLB team, etc.) and you want to protest, then you should protest by refusing to be on the team. If you choose to be on the national team, then you should salute.
On the other hand, there is no purpose in playing the national anthem before every sports activity. Get rid of the time-wasting, faux patriotic act.
On the other hand, there is no purpose in playing the national anthem before every sports activity. Get rid of the time-wasting, faux patriotic act.
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Some people never run out of ways to get attention. Why not let her soccer speak for her?
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Unacceptable. The team represents the USA on the world's stage. Disrespecting your country whose uniform you wear insults it.
The team has a purpose and a stance. If you don't agree with either, you have no business being on the team. Rapinoe should be dismissed forthwith.
The team has a purpose and a stance. If you don't agree with either, you have no business being on the team. Rapinoe should be dismissed forthwith.
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"The team has a purpose and a stance."
Please provide supporting material that the team has a stance regarding silent protest of mistreatment of minorities and gay Americans. I'm pretty familiar with US Soccer and I have never ever heard of this. Very curious where you got your information.
Please provide supporting material that the team has a stance regarding silent protest of mistreatment of minorities and gay Americans. I'm pretty familiar with US Soccer and I have never ever heard of this. Very curious where you got your information.
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She should take a knee and the coach should ensure that she remains seated or on a knee for the rest of the game.
You don't feel your country 'respects' your views - don't pretend to represent your country.
You don't feel your country 'respects' your views - don't pretend to represent your country.
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"You don't feel your country 'respects' your views - don't pretend to represent your country."
Welp, sorry to break it to you Steve, but unfortunately for you, she represents me, and I'm her country just as much as you are and just as much as she is. So you know.. you might need to take your own advice and leave our country if it's not working for you. Or you can take my advice, and what I would guess is Rapinoe's advice, and stay here, and try to do your best to improve your country so that it respects all of its citizens as equals. ... either way.
Welp, sorry to break it to you Steve, but unfortunately for you, she represents me, and I'm her country just as much as you are and just as much as she is. So you know.. you might need to take your own advice and leave our country if it's not working for you. Or you can take my advice, and what I would guess is Rapinoe's advice, and stay here, and try to do your best to improve your country so that it respects all of its citizens as equals. ... either way.
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Brian - thanks for your thoughts - if you or I want to do it - I agree - we are free to do so.
On your argument - does a PFC on a military base get to take a knee during taps or at reveille?
If we are in the military or representing our country in other ways - don't disrespect the flag
On your argument - does a PFC on a military base get to take a knee during taps or at reveille?
If we are in the military or representing our country in other ways - don't disrespect the flag
The game has nothing to do with politics and your personal beliefs or issues. It is akin to a player who scores a touchdown or some wonderful play in his or game and then crossing themselves. Did it ever occur to anyone that this is a personal issue, which is fine - you believe in your religion and it is your custom to cross yourself but the cameras catch and broadcast it. It's not part of the game or the sport. Has nobody figured out it is offensive to some? Play the game, leave your religion and politics out of sport. Pray in your religious surroundings and away from the stadium. Or do it silently without fanfare and out of view of the camera.
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She needs to turn in her US uniform. Misappropriation of government funds. She obviously never served in the military, either.
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"She needs to turn in her US uniform. Misappropriation of government funds. She obviously never served in the military, either."
I served in the military and I'm proud of her protest. It's what I enlisted for. It's beautiful.
I served in the military and I'm proud of her protest. It's what I enlisted for. It's beautiful.
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How is what she did misappropriation of government funds? Gee whiz, some of these comments...
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Please understand, average, the "national team" has NOTHING to do with the government. The national teams, male and female, represent the United States Soccer Federation, which is a private organization.
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We all have the right to demonstrate our displeasure as we see fit.
I, for one, do not like how the toilet paper unrolls outward. So when I hear the national anthem, I stand on one foot.
My wife does not like how we pay tolls to travel on roads, so when she hears the national anthem, she stands on her head.
My daughter is very angry that her favorite singing group, Little Mix, is not popular in the US, so when she hears the national anthem, she skips.
We all have rights to do what we wish and we should all act upon it and forego any attempt to forge a union to try to rectify our individual dis-satisfactions.
But, in all seriousness... she kneels? She kneels? She shows her opinion by KNEELING? Why does she not just forgo the kneeling and lie prostrate before the flag.
When did political expressions become emblematic of stupidity?
I, for one, do not like how the toilet paper unrolls outward. So when I hear the national anthem, I stand on one foot.
My wife does not like how we pay tolls to travel on roads, so when she hears the national anthem, she stands on her head.
My daughter is very angry that her favorite singing group, Little Mix, is not popular in the US, so when she hears the national anthem, she skips.
We all have rights to do what we wish and we should all act upon it and forego any attempt to forge a union to try to rectify our individual dis-satisfactions.
But, in all seriousness... she kneels? She kneels? She shows her opinion by KNEELING? Why does she not just forgo the kneeling and lie prostrate before the flag.
When did political expressions become emblematic of stupidity?
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Very funny!
This is what America is about - the right to express and the right to recognize when principles are being warped.
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In the 1960's anti-war protests targeted police officers, then referred to as "pigs". In retrospect the police had little to do with unjust war. Those who think police officers are at the core of racism in the US are making a similar mistake. Police are convenient scapegoats. But all they do is enforce the will of the powers that be.
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... thus making them a part of the problem.
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The findings of an independent investigation characterized the violence at the 1968 Democratic National Convention in Chicago as a "police riot."
As a child, I was on the periphery of an anti Vietnam war protest in Foley Square, New York. The protestors were set upon by construction workers, and the police intervened to stop the violence against the protestors.
As a child, I was on the periphery of an anti Vietnam war protest in Foley Square, New York. The protestors were set upon by construction workers, and the police intervened to stop the violence against the protestors.
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I viscerally take the knee bend as frightening public display of religious supplication, not the protest symbol of the raised fist of a long ago olympics.
This act is less about patriotism or protest than a performance by young deluded people seeking permission to go out and do violence to others on the sport field.
This act is less about patriotism or protest than a performance by young deluded people seeking permission to go out and do violence to others on the sport field.
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Good for you Megan and for anyone who, in a public or private setting, whether representing the U.S. or themselves for having the courage to follow your convictions. Much of what is written in the Star Spangled Banner is simply lip service. Blind patriotism may be the way the majority behaves but those with courage are the foundation of change that is sorely needed today.
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USWNT is trying to have it both ways.
If players don't meet your expectations, then don't allow them on the team. If these really aren't your expectations, don't claim that they are.
If players don't meet your expectations, then don't allow them on the team. If these really aren't your expectations, don't claim that they are.
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Quality on and off the field. The uproar is ridiculous. How can people be more upset that these athletes are kneeling during a song than they are about the underlying violence that is being protested.
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I like the US women's team and up until this point, did like Rapinoe. Now she's crossed the line as all athletes who decide that they have a political statement to make have to do this on the field of play. Rapinoe, I wish you well but it's time for you to get out of the sport and seek a career in politics if you want to make a statement. Your act on the field is a stain on sports and the women's team.
The same goes for Jozy Altidore who gets paid to play but feels he is above the game. What does it cost you to salute like your teammates? You are an American player for the US team. Can you not act patriotic and keep your political thoughts to yourself?
The same goes for Jozy Altidore who gets paid to play but feels he is above the game. What does it cost you to salute like your teammates? You are an American player for the US team. Can you not act patriotic and keep your political thoughts to yourself?
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"Shut up and just play you dumb jocks"
There, I fixed your comment for you.
There, I fixed your comment for you.
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Same here - a big time soccer fan, including USWNT. To the point, that I even supported Solo's tweets. Won't watch this travesty until she is not only on the bench, but off the team. I am sure there are thousands of us. BLM won't replace us.
The only people who are allowed to make political statements are people who go into politics? That's absurd.
BTW, she was acting patriotic. Pointing out our country's faults with the hope that they will be corrected is an exceptionally patriotic thing to do. It shows optimism and love of country.
BTW, she was acting patriotic. Pointing out our country's faults with the hope that they will be corrected is an exceptionally patriotic thing to do. It shows optimism and love of country.
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Sometimes I really wish we could go back in time before everything was filmed live and everything was splashed all over social media and comments from all over the world were flying across computer screens by the second and everything one says and does is scrutinized and commented on and world leaders can be essentially 'de-throned' in mere milliseconds because they were on record making a comment that someone deemed inappropriate and suddenly the social media world decides this person should be removed from their position.
So now with this whole national anthem brouha, is anything and everything we do going to be torn to shreds?... did a man not remove his baseball cap during the anthem?...did someone blow their nose?...did someone leave to use the bathroom?.... vomit due to illness, during the playing of the anthem? How utterly disrespectful! Will some events now start hiring live orchestras to play the anthem to show their utmost level of 'respect' for our flag and country?
This is all becoming so utterly ridiculous, and it's our 24/7 news cycle and the absolute power that we have given social media, that is the cause of this.
So now with this whole national anthem brouha, is anything and everything we do going to be torn to shreds?... did a man not remove his baseball cap during the anthem?...did someone blow their nose?...did someone leave to use the bathroom?.... vomit due to illness, during the playing of the anthem? How utterly disrespectful! Will some events now start hiring live orchestras to play the anthem to show their utmost level of 'respect' for our flag and country?
This is all becoming so utterly ridiculous, and it's our 24/7 news cycle and the absolute power that we have given social media, that is the cause of this.
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i endorse the principle of free speech, but i don't endorse these political gestures.
on the field, players are either employees or members of an organization. i don't believe they have the right to express political opinions at work by refusing to comply with work required duties and responsibilities. this is what kaepernick, rapinoe and others are doing.
fine, you object to police violence against minorities. well, i object to offshore drilling, and he objects to tax law, and that guy has serious problems with gun legislation. where does that take us? are we all then kneeling to the national anthem?
the tradition of the national anthem at sporting events is complex, but it basically signifies that competition happens within affirmed solidarity. yes, we have to knock heads, but we all salute the flag. oh, you don't salute the flag? well, what other rules of the game do you ignore? perhaps i should throw a few personal fouls your way because my views on oil or tax or guns differ from yours?
the final issue is that the media attention at the sporting event, including the mass attention of the crowd, an economic good. people paid for it. but you, kneeling with solemn mien, get it for free. you put the spotlight on yourself, and maybe even intend to market yourself.
fine: but what have you done, other than kneel? organize, lobby, protest, speak, write, petition, march? oh, all you've done is kneel? well, fine for you. but your kneeling looks more like "me, me, me."
on the field, players are either employees or members of an organization. i don't believe they have the right to express political opinions at work by refusing to comply with work required duties and responsibilities. this is what kaepernick, rapinoe and others are doing.
fine, you object to police violence against minorities. well, i object to offshore drilling, and he objects to tax law, and that guy has serious problems with gun legislation. where does that take us? are we all then kneeling to the national anthem?
the tradition of the national anthem at sporting events is complex, but it basically signifies that competition happens within affirmed solidarity. yes, we have to knock heads, but we all salute the flag. oh, you don't salute the flag? well, what other rules of the game do you ignore? perhaps i should throw a few personal fouls your way because my views on oil or tax or guns differ from yours?
the final issue is that the media attention at the sporting event, including the mass attention of the crowd, an economic good. people paid for it. but you, kneeling with solemn mien, get it for free. you put the spotlight on yourself, and maybe even intend to market yourself.
fine: but what have you done, other than kneel? organize, lobby, protest, speak, write, petition, march? oh, all you've done is kneel? well, fine for you. but your kneeling looks more like "me, me, me."
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Amidst all the furor surrounding this so-called protest, one can well to recall what a recent New Yorker article, Supreme Court Case by Jeff Toobin, called "the most eloquent opinion in the history of the Supreme Court." This case, West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, is notable for the remarkable and insightful comments of jurist Robert Jackson, whose wonderful words included in that article are copied here:
"To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous, instead of a compulsory routine, is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. We can have intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the State as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
What a ringing endorsement of what freedom of speech is really meant to be in the US! We all can do well to refer to them and absorb their meaning.
"To believe that patriotism will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and spontaneous, instead of a compulsory routine, is to make an unflattering estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. We can have intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the State as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much. That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing order."
What a ringing endorsement of what freedom of speech is really meant to be in the US! We all can do well to refer to them and absorb their meaning.
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Do you have a point?
What is the difference between respect for the anthem and willingly choosing to represent one's country in any endeavor- sport or otherwise. Megan has every right to express her own position in any capacity in which she represents herself. But here she could have chosen to show her feelings about conditions in the country by refusing to represent it. You don't get to represent only the parts you like when you wear the jersey - if you are going to take that opportunity for exposure, adulation, and compensation than you accept all that goes with it. In this case all that goes with it involves all that is part of the USA warts and all. If that makes you uncomfortable than don't participate in it. That kind of sacrifice would show sincerity and character. This is just a grab for personal attention. Poor choice.
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Sorry, Megan, you do not speak for me, a woman of color. But still a genius move; if you get a DUI, like Abbey, or beat up someone like Hope Solo, you will be untouchable. And since you are so into knowledge, I suggest you research the term, "SLA", in Google or Wikipedia, to find out what happens when white progressives assume all black people accused/convicted of crimes are freedom fighters or innocent victims. While you are at, also look up "Brinks robbery killing,David Gilbert, and Kathy Boudin."
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Nobody should speak for you if you are an adult and can be accountable for your actions. There are individuals afterall, even if they have the same skin color...they are individuals ...and are different.
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SLA = Service Level Agreement
When people have been removed as CEOs or employees of companies for saying racist or anti-gay remarks, liberals have rightly poo-pooed any defenders who said these folks had a first amendment right to say whatever they wished, noting that their first amendment right was checked at the door to a private enterprise.
But now that professional athletes are touting their first amendment right to say things, but things that liberals agree with, this defense has suddenly become much more appropriate.
Professionals of any kind do not have a first amendment right to say whatever they want; a company or organization can censure them if they feel their comments are out of line. But the reality is that organizations in our day and age won't do so, unless you say things out of step with liberal culture.
But now that professional athletes are touting their first amendment right to say things, but things that liberals agree with, this defense has suddenly become much more appropriate.
Professionals of any kind do not have a first amendment right to say whatever they want; a company or organization can censure them if they feel their comments are out of line. But the reality is that organizations in our day and age won't do so, unless you say things out of step with liberal culture.
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Just wait Katie... Ms Rapinoe probably only has a season left. They will find some way to show her the door.
You're right, private enterprises do have the right to censure our behavior. But this is the national team, paid with our tax dollars. The US Olympic and National teams are federal. It's supposed to be a meritocracy. Best players play. Not a check your morals at the door.
You're right, private enterprises do have the right to censure our behavior. But this is the national team, paid with our tax dollars. The US Olympic and National teams are federal. It's supposed to be a meritocracy. Best players play. Not a check your morals at the door.
Well what you say is partially true. Hope Solo ran out of life lines by opening up her big yap one too many times and it cost her. Rapinoe is not there yet. She's only doing the Mahatma Gandhi approach to protest her issues.
Battlelion and Katie: some serious misunderstanding here.
The US Olympic and National teams are NOT FEDERAL. In fact, the government throws a little subsidy to a private organization that organizes soccer, up to and including senior and age group "national teams," the United States Soccer Federation. The Olympic team also answers to another PRIVATE organization, The United States Olympic Committee. They take part in tournaments organized by PRIVATE International organizations (of reasonably ill repute), the International Olympic Committee and FIFA.
And Katie, as for only liberal culture is countenanced, that's really funny. Tim Thomas refused to go to the White House to meet Barack Obama after the Bruins won the Stanley Cup. Phil Mickelson whined that he'd stop playing golf tournaments if his tax rate was raised, and don't get me started on Curt Schilling.
The US Olympic and National teams are NOT FEDERAL. In fact, the government throws a little subsidy to a private organization that organizes soccer, up to and including senior and age group "national teams," the United States Soccer Federation. The Olympic team also answers to another PRIVATE organization, The United States Olympic Committee. They take part in tournaments organized by PRIVATE International organizations (of reasonably ill repute), the International Olympic Committee and FIFA.
And Katie, as for only liberal culture is countenanced, that's really funny. Tim Thomas refused to go to the White House to meet Barack Obama after the Bruins won the Stanley Cup. Phil Mickelson whined that he'd stop playing golf tournaments if his tax rate was raised, and don't get me started on Curt Schilling.
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This is her right as an American. Folks can disagree with her, and that is their right, too. Peaceful protest is at the core of our country's values.
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Rapinoe is shallow and opportunistic copy cat. She doesn't care about human rights, does only what she thinks help her. If she would be concerned about human rights she would know what Thailand and its military junta record in that sense have and will kneel at Thai anthem as well.
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No Sir. A national team is not a place for anybody's rights. She is supposed to represent an entity. She does not and hasn't earned the right to do that. Turn in your shirt if you are going to speak politically from the field of play. Sports is about sports, remember? It is not about politics. Get out of sports and go stand on a soapbox. Maybe you will attract like minded individuals and you can then solve the problems of the world.
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Richard, and the entity she represents is a PRIVATE one, The USSF.
Are you saying athletes don't shoot off their mouths about politics plenty already? Let me give you three names to think about: Tim Thomas, Phil Mickelson and Curt Schilling.
Just remember, "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
Are you saying athletes don't shoot off their mouths about politics plenty already? Let me give you three names to think about: Tim Thomas, Phil Mickelson and Curt Schilling.
Just remember, "patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel."
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She won't respect the flag or the country but she'll play for the team? Be serious and resign. Get rid of her.
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I cannot imagine anything more jingoistic and silly than getting mad over whether someone is respectfully standing or respectfully kneeling, to a song, during a sports event.
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Props to Rapinoe for prompting reflection on the meaning of liberty in our country.
I'm with Kaep.
I'm with Kaep.
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