Mr. Donald Trump; psychopathic spewer of lies ad hate, regurgitated out of the bowls of the Republican Party is now their nominee for President.
Who Governor Mike Pence, by joining TeamTrump, exhibits his eagerness to become political Worm Chow (with apologies to Evelyn Harper) is of his own understanding.
However there is a solution for Republican voters:
1). Enter voting booth.
2). Quietly repeat Mr. Charles Dickens lament: "Tis a far, far, better thing I do than I have ever done."
3). Pull lever, as I will do absentee, for Senator Hillary Clinton.
Who Governor Mike Pence, by joining TeamTrump, exhibits his eagerness to become political Worm Chow (with apologies to Evelyn Harper) is of his own understanding.
However there is a solution for Republican voters:
1). Enter voting booth.
2). Quietly repeat Mr. Charles Dickens lament: "Tis a far, far, better thing I do than I have ever done."
3). Pull lever, as I will do absentee, for Senator Hillary Clinton.
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By this time four years ago, both candidates had been to Delaware county stumping hard. There were yard signs a plenty. This go round, nothing. There's definitely a lack of enthusiasm. But in my opinion, this election is even more important. We could be on the cusp of electing a mad man. My yard sign will go up shortly.
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Americans elected W. sixteen years ago and they may very well elect Trump. Both of them born on third base. Both of them unqualified. Both tough-talking. spoiled, and intellectually incurious because they could afford to be. Maybe that's who we really are as a nation: Tough talking, spoiled and intellectually incurious.
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Americans should have learned by now. When it comes to politics, especially when we are in the final stretch of a presidential campaign, it's no holds barred, it's a hammer and tong fight to the finish.
It's not going to get better. The losing candidate, a woeful excuse for a human much less a president, Donald Trump, is going to heave anything he can muster at Hillary, hoping against hope that something cataclysmic changes the course of events which portend his demise.
That's what politics is, and that is why most of us get fed up with the whole thing and want to throw up our hands in surrender.
Do not despair. If you are one of the wise, you will not look away. Instead you will gird your loins and persevere. Onward you go, with machete in hand, parting the chaff from the wheat. There's a lot of work to do indeed. But this is it, the Big Kahuna, a national event which comes around every Lear Year. Enjoy the exercise of democracy in all its sordid deviance. It's what people will do when fighting for the most powerful job in the world. Embrace the mayhem, and keep yourself in check, don't succumb to all the propaganda pouring over you.
This is the perfect opportunity for you to use your noodle for something besides a hat rack. Use it well, for you are about to choose the leader of the Free World. To keep your head while others are losing theirs 'tis a far better thing you're learning than complaining about all the negativity. It's politics in a nutshell.
DD
Manhattan
It's not going to get better. The losing candidate, a woeful excuse for a human much less a president, Donald Trump, is going to heave anything he can muster at Hillary, hoping against hope that something cataclysmic changes the course of events which portend his demise.
That's what politics is, and that is why most of us get fed up with the whole thing and want to throw up our hands in surrender.
Do not despair. If you are one of the wise, you will not look away. Instead you will gird your loins and persevere. Onward you go, with machete in hand, parting the chaff from the wheat. There's a lot of work to do indeed. But this is it, the Big Kahuna, a national event which comes around every Lear Year. Enjoy the exercise of democracy in all its sordid deviance. It's what people will do when fighting for the most powerful job in the world. Embrace the mayhem, and keep yourself in check, don't succumb to all the propaganda pouring over you.
This is the perfect opportunity for you to use your noodle for something besides a hat rack. Use it well, for you are about to choose the leader of the Free World. To keep your head while others are losing theirs 'tis a far better thing you're learning than complaining about all the negativity. It's politics in a nutshell.
DD
Manhattan
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"I tire of Ohio having so much influence over our presidential elections."
Many of us agree, but we live in states where our votes don't matter. In California, New York, Texas, and Illinois -- to pick just a few states out of many – it will make utterly no difference how you vote. All of your state's electoral votes are safely in the bag for Clinton or Trump, and that isn't going to change. You'll be lucky if each candidate stops in once or twice during the campaign, just so you're sure they know you're part of the United States.
Some such states do get visited a lot -- California, for example -- but only because they're great places to raise campaign funds. The visiting candidate usually gives a speech or two, since he or she is there anyway, but that happens only because he or she is there to raise money at some fancy party that evening.
Many of us agree, but we live in states where our votes don't matter. In California, New York, Texas, and Illinois -- to pick just a few states out of many – it will make utterly no difference how you vote. All of your state's electoral votes are safely in the bag for Clinton or Trump, and that isn't going to change. You'll be lucky if each candidate stops in once or twice during the campaign, just so you're sure they know you're part of the United States.
Some such states do get visited a lot -- California, for example -- but only because they're great places to raise campaign funds. The visiting candidate usually gives a speech or two, since he or she is there anyway, but that happens only because he or she is there to raise money at some fancy party that evening.
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"What Clinton and Trump says doesn't amount to a hill of beans, because they both will do whatever they want when president."
I reach the same conclusion, though not out of cynicism. Clinton won't accomplish much because the Republicans will block her at every turn; they'll see her as an inferior version of Obama. Trump won't accomplish much because the Democrats, and some Republicans, will block him at every turn.
Either of them will quickly give up on any significant legislative efforts, limiting themselves to whatever they can accomplish through executive orders. As Obama has shown, that's not an insignificant amount, but it falls far short of the campaign "promises" that each of them has made.
Apart from Supreme Court choices -- a very important exception -- whoever wins this election won't be sitting pretty when re-election time comes up in 2020. Rarely does a sitting President fail to get re-elected, of course, but I anticipate that will happen in 2020, regardless of who wins this time. I also anticipate that the winning party, this time, will get routed in the 2018 mid-term election.
I reach the same conclusion, though not out of cynicism. Clinton won't accomplish much because the Republicans will block her at every turn; they'll see her as an inferior version of Obama. Trump won't accomplish much because the Democrats, and some Republicans, will block him at every turn.
Either of them will quickly give up on any significant legislative efforts, limiting themselves to whatever they can accomplish through executive orders. As Obama has shown, that's not an insignificant amount, but it falls far short of the campaign "promises" that each of them has made.
Apart from Supreme Court choices -- a very important exception -- whoever wins this election won't be sitting pretty when re-election time comes up in 2020. Rarely does a sitting President fail to get re-elected, of course, but I anticipate that will happen in 2020, regardless of who wins this time. I also anticipate that the winning party, this time, will get routed in the 2018 mid-term election.
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Most Democrats who favored Clinton over Sanders were worried that the Democratic Party would strike most Americans as too far "left" if Sanders got the nod.
I get that, but picking Clinton over Sanders has left the Democratic Party with a candidate that's not far on the spectrum from her Republican opponent. Because Clinton is a very weak candidate to boot, that's left the Democrats exposed to a significant risk of losing. Maybe the polls will change, but it looks pretty dicey right now.
Maybe the Democrats would have been better off not worrying about appearing too far "left." In poll after poll, after all, Sanders outpolled Trump by considerably more than Clinton outpolled Trump. Through closed primaries, super delegates, and what-not (the "what-not" revealed, to some extent, by the hacked DNC emails), the Democratic Party powers-that-be decided that Hillary Clinton was the horse they'd ride this time. Maybe they've picked the right horse, but that's far from clear at the moment.
I get that, but picking Clinton over Sanders has left the Democratic Party with a candidate that's not far on the spectrum from her Republican opponent. Because Clinton is a very weak candidate to boot, that's left the Democrats exposed to a significant risk of losing. Maybe the polls will change, but it looks pretty dicey right now.
Maybe the Democrats would have been better off not worrying about appearing too far "left." In poll after poll, after all, Sanders outpolled Trump by considerably more than Clinton outpolled Trump. Through closed primaries, super delegates, and what-not (the "what-not" revealed, to some extent, by the hacked DNC emails), the Democratic Party powers-that-be decided that Hillary Clinton was the horse they'd ride this time. Maybe they've picked the right horse, but that's far from clear at the moment.
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I grew up here. Houses on one of the streets that were the nicest, beautiful old red bricks from early 20th Century, now sell for nearly a million dollars. When I was there and attended Ohio Wesleyan it was an almost self-sufficient time, without a great gap in incomes. It is still a lovely place, but the downtown is slow to gentrify. It is a bedroom community for Columbus. Hopefully more will share in the bounty.
I am a Buckeye and I have relatives buried in the Delaware cemetery.
If it is fact that non college degree folks vote for imbeciles, then universities
should be free like in some European countries and maybe that would
help or perhaps Gilbert and Sullivan had it right, that every boy and girl born alive are either a little liberal or a little conservitive (tive to rhyme with alive)
If it is fact that non college degree folks vote for imbeciles, then universities
should be free like in some European countries and maybe that would
help or perhaps Gilbert and Sullivan had it right, that every boy and girl born alive are either a little liberal or a little conservitive (tive to rhyme with alive)
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This is why the vast majority of Americans favor enforcement of our immigration laws:
"When Reagan offered legal status to temporary workers from Mexico, a great many Mexicans and Central Americans came here illegally, with the expectation that they, too, would eventually get legal status."
In other words, we've heard all this before.
When Reagan made this "offer," he did so with the begrudging support of the American people, who were assured (or so we thought): "Going forward, we'll make immigrants comply with our immigration laws. We really mean it this time."
As the quoted remark points out, however, post-amnesty Mexicans and Central Americans wagered that we really didn't mean it this time. Frankly, it appears they were right and we were wrong. While I don't expect, or favor, rounding up and deporting 11 million illegal aliens, I do insist, going forward, on something more than another unenforceable "assurance" that we'll enforce our immigration laws going forward – that we "really, really mean it this time."
Clinton isn't even offering "assurances" that we "really, really mean it this time," much less meaningful acts. Her position seems to be to look the other way, to insist that illegal aliens are taking only jobs that no American wants – a hotly disputed contention that, frankly, is irrelevant even if it's true. Immigration laws are laws too, and those who come here should be required to obey them.
"When Reagan offered legal status to temporary workers from Mexico, a great many Mexicans and Central Americans came here illegally, with the expectation that they, too, would eventually get legal status."
In other words, we've heard all this before.
When Reagan made this "offer," he did so with the begrudging support of the American people, who were assured (or so we thought): "Going forward, we'll make immigrants comply with our immigration laws. We really mean it this time."
As the quoted remark points out, however, post-amnesty Mexicans and Central Americans wagered that we really didn't mean it this time. Frankly, it appears they were right and we were wrong. While I don't expect, or favor, rounding up and deporting 11 million illegal aliens, I do insist, going forward, on something more than another unenforceable "assurance" that we'll enforce our immigration laws going forward – that we "really, really mean it this time."
Clinton isn't even offering "assurances" that we "really, really mean it this time," much less meaningful acts. Her position seems to be to look the other way, to insist that illegal aliens are taking only jobs that no American wants – a hotly disputed contention that, frankly, is irrelevant even if it's true. Immigration laws are laws too, and those who come here should be required to obey them.
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I live next to Delaware Co. Several years ago, the company I work with did business with a government agency there. What I noticed about the agency's people there was a "penny-wise, pound-foolish" mentality and an inability to think long term. Hopefully this helps explain residents of Delaware Co. to outsiders.
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In the South we used to speak of "yellow-dog Democrats" (who would vote for any of the party's candidates, even if they ran a yellow Lab). Lyndon Johnson ended that tradition. Does Ohio have "yellow-dog Republicans"? It sounds like it.
So now might be the time to switch and think about your vote, party-loyal Republicans. And if you live in Ohio and want to think about it, don't ask whether economic growth has been unequally distributed. Both candidates agree on that. Ask instead which candidate has any concrete plan to change this problem. I have yet to hear one concrete thing Trump plans to do, except change tax brackets to give the top .01% a break. Other than that, he would rather curse the darkness than light a candle.
So now might be the time to switch and think about your vote, party-loyal Republicans. And if you live in Ohio and want to think about it, don't ask whether economic growth has been unequally distributed. Both candidates agree on that. Ask instead which candidate has any concrete plan to change this problem. I have yet to hear one concrete thing Trump plans to do, except change tax brackets to give the top .01% a break. Other than that, he would rather curse the darkness than light a candle.
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These people are seriously misguided. What is at stake here is who will appoint the next Supreme Court Justices and fill vacancies throughout the Federal Judiciary. These are the unelected individuals who more directly affect all aspects of our lives.
There is nothing sadder to me than members of any minority ( or people who claim to care for them, and there are millions) saying they can't vote for either candidate, making Hillary and Trump equivalently bad. Hillary has a lifetime of voting for advancing the right of those who don't have a voice, and for women themselves. In that she can be trusted.
Not voting for Hillary would possibly lead to a Trump victory (one of them will win, NOT ANY THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE).
And he or she will appoint the next vacancies to the Supreme Court. Simply review the past 5 -4 decisions that had an impact on our Civil Rights (all minorities, including LGBT, etc.) as well as the recent decisions that have been deadlocked due to the vacancy form Scalia. Some of those decisions had grave repercussions on the basic right of a citizen to cast a vote in the election. A judge appointee would certainly be the last nail on the voting rights act, universal Health Care (imperfect now better than nothing), Equal Rights Amendment, and to a lesser extent, protection of the environment and continued ascendancy of corporate America over individuals, in all aspects.
The Supreme Court is too valuable a prize not to vote. It would be a tragedy!
There is nothing sadder to me than members of any minority ( or people who claim to care for them, and there are millions) saying they can't vote for either candidate, making Hillary and Trump equivalently bad. Hillary has a lifetime of voting for advancing the right of those who don't have a voice, and for women themselves. In that she can be trusted.
Not voting for Hillary would possibly lead to a Trump victory (one of them will win, NOT ANY THIRD PARTY CANDIDATE).
And he or she will appoint the next vacancies to the Supreme Court. Simply review the past 5 -4 decisions that had an impact on our Civil Rights (all minorities, including LGBT, etc.) as well as the recent decisions that have been deadlocked due to the vacancy form Scalia. Some of those decisions had grave repercussions on the basic right of a citizen to cast a vote in the election. A judge appointee would certainly be the last nail on the voting rights act, universal Health Care (imperfect now better than nothing), Equal Rights Amendment, and to a lesser extent, protection of the environment and continued ascendancy of corporate America over individuals, in all aspects.
The Supreme Court is too valuable a prize not to vote. It would be a tragedy!
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How can Kellyanne Conway look herself in the mirror? How can the GOP continue to be lap dogs and an unpaid excuse machine for someone they know in their heart of hearts is anti-Americas best interest. Not only the possibility of his election but his campaign has already done incalculable damage to our county both at home and around the world. If Secretary Clinton or President Obama said one of the totally false inane and out right dangerous utterances the tweeting toad has said they would be pilloried. There would be no uproar if Mrs. Clinton gave an exclusive interview on Russian Television? Does the GOP think that real Americans will ever accept a sniveling coward like Trump as president, I for one would not, and like the plan party first republicans had for President Obama, I will do everything in my power as a citizen to see to it that a Trump presidency ends in total disgrace, if my efforts to work for his defeat his candidacy fail.
Certainly any republican that has not denounced Trump by now is already soiled for their political lives and will never be able to wash the STINK of Trump from their aspirations going forward. A crowd funding effort to mount a massive oppositional research program for every republican politician from school board to senate, is in the works already apart from the democratic party, where some muckraking is often thought out of bounds. support, the republicans have declared themselves the free fire zones of politics.
Certainly any republican that has not denounced Trump by now is already soiled for their political lives and will never be able to wash the STINK of Trump from their aspirations going forward. A crowd funding effort to mount a massive oppositional research program for every republican politician from school board to senate, is in the works already apart from the democratic party, where some muckraking is often thought out of bounds. support, the republicans have declared themselves the free fire zones of politics.
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Well it’s seems to have worked; as Republican investigator Keven McCarthy said. After 8+ years of Republicans demonizing Hillary Clinton the continually repeated consciences seem to be that Hillary Clinton is “Crooked and lying.” Yet when I ask people what the crooked part is, and to give me a list of lies; all I get is a general reference about landing at an airport under fire. And even then they can’t actually quote what she said.
After 20 or 30 Republican lead committees, “To keep her numbers down;” Prosecutor Ken Starr (himself now indicted) exonerated her. Congressman Tray Gowdy (Benghazi committee – extended to email investigation) exonerated her; and FBI Director James Comey, exonerated her and said her answers in her FBI interviews were truthful. No arrests, no indictments, no convictions. So where is the “Crooked, lying” part?
After 20 or 30 Republican lead committees, “To keep her numbers down;” Prosecutor Ken Starr (himself now indicted) exonerated her. Congressman Tray Gowdy (Benghazi committee – extended to email investigation) exonerated her; and FBI Director James Comey, exonerated her and said her answers in her FBI interviews were truthful. No arrests, no indictments, no convictions. So where is the “Crooked, lying” part?
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We recently dropped our daughter off at school in Ohio. We saw many pro Trump lawn signs and bumper stickers, and not a single sHrillary lawn sign or bumper sticker. sHrillary is the one that Ohio truly can not stomach.
8
Humans are so dumb. Or perhaps we really are just wired to think only in terms of duality, binary, on or off, right or left, up or down. Our society is getting what it deserves. When discussing evolution with a friend it turned to social evolution (yes, everything evolves over time, including religion). He said that if our society evolves towards self destruction, then it was simply meant to be. I guess we just have to accept it.
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I desperately hope that Secretary Clinton does go to Delaware County, that Mr. Applebaum will cover that visit, and that people will consider the wars and isolation, financial ruin and desecration of the environment that Trump will bring.
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Mrs. Clinton is like a crack addict; she can't stay away from money. One of the reasons she is disliked so much is that she toadies up to the super rich, taking millions for "speeches" and holding 50K-per-ticket fundraisers. She already has raised twice or three times as much money as Mr. Trump. And the voters have been very vocal about despising her for those 50K fundraisers. And yet, here she is again, still doing it when she doesn't need the money. So it backfires, and it shows at the polls. Her numbers are dropping.
She apparently doesn't care. She simply cannot resist the money; even when it hurts her political ambitions.She gets a handful of rich movie stars, bankers and rich tech geeks; Mr. Trump gets the big crowds. I absolutely despise Mr. Trump, but this is true.
Yes, her staff says she's now concerned about raising money for down ticket races, but no money has trickled down. It simply isn't true. She hasn't campaigned with any down ticket candidates; her unpopularity would likely not get her invited. Mr. Sanders is the one campaigning for the down ticket candidates and helping them raise funds.
During the primary, Mrs. Clinton said the money would trickle down, even sent it down to state parties for one day, and then snatched it back. She is a big money addict, and her staff members have been helping her score one more fix week after week instead of saying, hey, why don't you knock it off. No more 50K dinners for you. But no. Sigh.
She apparently doesn't care. She simply cannot resist the money; even when it hurts her political ambitions.She gets a handful of rich movie stars, bankers and rich tech geeks; Mr. Trump gets the big crowds. I absolutely despise Mr. Trump, but this is true.
Yes, her staff says she's now concerned about raising money for down ticket races, but no money has trickled down. It simply isn't true. She hasn't campaigned with any down ticket candidates; her unpopularity would likely not get her invited. Mr. Sanders is the one campaigning for the down ticket candidates and helping them raise funds.
During the primary, Mrs. Clinton said the money would trickle down, even sent it down to state parties for one day, and then snatched it back. She is a big money addict, and her staff members have been helping her score one more fix week after week instead of saying, hey, why don't you knock it off. No more 50K dinners for you. But no. Sigh.
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Having a hard time stomaching Trump is because of his "in your face" narcissistic, sociopath, misogynistic, racist, bigoted, war mongering, materialistic, self. The vast majority of Hillary's issues is based on the GOP, following the direction of Joseph Goebbels who said that by repeating a few very specific ideas and understanding the psychology of the people concerned you could make them believe that a square is in fact a circle by just using words, and words can be molded to disguise intent. The purpose of propaganda isn’t to be intellectually pleasing or to control a few mindless people but instead, conquer the broad masses. They also use the wordsmithing of Dr. Frank Luntz, who understands how to use words that insight people to act purely on emotions and without all of the facts, manipulate people to act against their own needs. The GOP has attacked a specific group of American people's vulnerabilities and has gotten them to vote against their very own needs.
9
It may be pointless to ask a person why he is voting for a candidate. Few seem rational. The man voting for Trump because his cigar taxes went up is a case in point. The taxes were a local GOP tax increase. Does he know this?
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There Might Be a Scientific Explanation For Donald Trump’s Fanbase
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-supporters-psychology_u...?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-supporters-psychology_u...?
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"I just don't know what to do," is a strong indictment of the county's voters. They are ignorant. That they are "torn" between voting for a bullying, draft dodging, foul-mouthed womanizer and a smart woman who's been in public service for decades is proof our Republic is in serious trouble.
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This isn't just a Delaware County problem. According to a national September 6 CNN poll, Trump tops Clinton within the margin of error, 45% to 43%. This is with no 18-34 year olds included in the poll. Yikes.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/09/07/rel13a.-.2016.post-labor....
A ham sandwich should be able to beat this Neanderthal in a suit, but Clinton can barely squeak just over 40% after Labor Day.
You gotta ask yourself, why? Maybe if Clinton could drag herself away from fund raisers and actually get out on the stump...
It's hers to lose.
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2016/images/09/07/rel13a.-.2016.post-labor....
A ham sandwich should be able to beat this Neanderthal in a suit, but Clinton can barely squeak just over 40% after Labor Day.
You gotta ask yourself, why? Maybe if Clinton could drag herself away from fund raisers and actually get out on the stump...
It's hers to lose.
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Let your governor be your guide. If John Kaisich can vote for Donald Trump you know he is the best choice. For conservatives ponder a Clinton SCOTUS. For businessmen elect a businessman. For the future nurse use tax savings to pay college debt. For who say they will not vote that's half a vote for each candidate.
4
“He wasn’t my first, second, third or fourth option, but he is better than Hillary.”
A great many on the right half of the spectrum probably agree with that. They would not have said the same about Sanders.
If Trump wins it's the Democratic Party's fault, not those of us who vote for third party candidates. The Democrats are a minority of voters; it doesn't matter that a majority of that minority preferred Clinton. The smart thing would have been to nominate Sanders- to choose Country over Party- because we independents are the majority.
P.S. Timothy Egan is a fool if he thinks Clinton will be effective at mitigating climate change.
A great many on the right half of the spectrum probably agree with that. They would not have said the same about Sanders.
If Trump wins it's the Democratic Party's fault, not those of us who vote for third party candidates. The Democrats are a minority of voters; it doesn't matter that a majority of that minority preferred Clinton. The smart thing would have been to nominate Sanders- to choose Country over Party- because we independents are the majority.
P.S. Timothy Egan is a fool if he thinks Clinton will be effective at mitigating climate change.
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Mr. Paxton is a perfect example of an electorate that cannot or will not make the distinction between federal and state/local issues. The 40 cents a cigar tax I assume is for SCHIP and probably a state tax. (Actually I just googled it and it is Kasich's tax to fund cuts elsewhere.) So, he will vote for Trump because his Republican governor raised the cigar tax. Makes no sense, but Trump has figured out that close to 50% of the electorate is happily uninformed and easily persuaded by a campaign of lying.
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A Trump presidency would be a disaster for the nation. The man is too ignorant about world events and too unstable to govern a country. Hillary's missteps and the GOP war against her for the last two decades has poisoned her to too many.
I find it almost humorous that a GOP candidate for POTUS could cozy up to Putin and state that admiration for his ability "to have a grip on his people." How can a president of our country have such an ignorance and a disregard for human rights. Does Trump understand what our Constitution? Yet, people wave the flag and think of him as a patriot. Talk about the world being turned upside down!
I find it almost humorous that a GOP candidate for POTUS could cozy up to Putin and state that admiration for his ability "to have a grip on his people." How can a president of our country have such an ignorance and a disregard for human rights. Does Trump understand what our Constitution? Yet, people wave the flag and think of him as a patriot. Talk about the world being turned upside down!
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Lies and misdirection describes both candidates and both are hard to stomach. I can't seem to agree on who is capable of doing more harm against Americans and the world.
A vote for slippery Hillary is a vote for a greedy corrupted political establishment and she is exactly who we should not have as president.
A vote for thump Trump is a vote for the greedy corrupted business elitists and he is exactly who we should not have as president.
What Clinton and Trump says doesn't amount to a hill of beans, because they both will do whatever they want when president. The fault lies with us, because we accept their lies as politics and business as usual.
The time has come to vote for third party and independent candidates and send a message to the government and corporations; we are feed up with what they consider business as usual. NOW is the time we stop wasting our votes on those representing party politics and a self-interest instead of serving the people. Neither Hillary nor Trump represents or their parties represent America and as long as we vote for such we are the ones who should be held accountable.
A vote for slippery Hillary is a vote for a greedy corrupted political establishment and she is exactly who we should not have as president.
A vote for thump Trump is a vote for the greedy corrupted business elitists and he is exactly who we should not have as president.
What Clinton and Trump says doesn't amount to a hill of beans, because they both will do whatever they want when president. The fault lies with us, because we accept their lies as politics and business as usual.
The time has come to vote for third party and independent candidates and send a message to the government and corporations; we are feed up with what they consider business as usual. NOW is the time we stop wasting our votes on those representing party politics and a self-interest instead of serving the people. Neither Hillary nor Trump represents or their parties represent America and as long as we vote for such we are the ones who should be held accountable.
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One is going to be president. Put aside personalities and look at policies. Trump has none? He has no knowledge or interest in anything but himself.
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Why are so many unable to vote for Hillary Clinton when Donald Trump past has serious problems and it is clear he is totally unprepared to be President. Those who dislike Hillary Clinton use issues that have been investigated finding nothing. Yet Republican's in Congtress and conservatives jounallist use issues despite they could not find anything.
Compared to Donald Trump Hillary Clinton is a Girl Scout.
Compared to Donald Trump Hillary Clinton is a Girl Scout.
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The country used to belong to people like these. They made a mess of it, so it no longer does. That's all to the good. They can join the human race again by voting for Clinton.
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Instead of doing the typical liberal bark of telling us - yes, I am in Columbus - how ignorant and stupid we are - perhaps some day you will figure out that parts of this country recoil from a figure like the Republican nominee, but we also know way too much about the Democratic nominee that we do not like. That she is deceitful, makes dumb decisions to protect herself, has used her government position to make millions of dollars from Wall Street and banks, and that we saw 8 years of prosperity laced with scandal while she was 1st lady. And we dread 8 more years of it. In a year in which either party could have won in a landslide with a likable and moderate candidate, we are left with these two. And telling us in Ohio we are just so stupid to realize greatness in our midst is not going to move the needle. But then, people in California are clearly superior to the rubes in Columbus, Ohio. Thanks for reminding us.
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Clinton supporters tout her hard work, experience, policies, and so on. But we should care most about what decisions she'd make after working hard, being experienced and having policies.
Do you know where Clinton stands on key issues?
For example, what is her position on gay marriage? The Keystone pipeline? The TPP trade agreement? Do you know that she's changed her position 180 degrees on each of those issues in the last couple of years (especially since she started running for President)? Are you confident she won't change yhem again after she gets elected?
How about war? Many commenters insist that voters must choose Clinton because Trump is much more likely to get us into war. Hogwash. Clinton's only consistent position has been to favor US involvement in foreign wars -- Iraq and Libya, for obvious past examples; Syria and the Ukraine for current examples where her "Shoot first, ask questions later" approach to foreign policy has been thwarted by a more cautious Obama.
Come next January 20, however, Obama won't be around to veto Clinton's preference for US involvement in foreign wars. Does that really make you think we'll be less likely to get involved in foreign wars? If Clinton were President today, and could put in effect her "no-fly zone" in Syria, do you suppose Russia would respect it? If we tried to enforce Clinton's no-fly zone against Russia, would you be willing to go to war -- nuclear war, probably -- with Russia over Clinton's latest great adventure?
Do you know where Clinton stands on key issues?
For example, what is her position on gay marriage? The Keystone pipeline? The TPP trade agreement? Do you know that she's changed her position 180 degrees on each of those issues in the last couple of years (especially since she started running for President)? Are you confident she won't change yhem again after she gets elected?
How about war? Many commenters insist that voters must choose Clinton because Trump is much more likely to get us into war. Hogwash. Clinton's only consistent position has been to favor US involvement in foreign wars -- Iraq and Libya, for obvious past examples; Syria and the Ukraine for current examples where her "Shoot first, ask questions later" approach to foreign policy has been thwarted by a more cautious Obama.
Come next January 20, however, Obama won't be around to veto Clinton's preference for US involvement in foreign wars. Does that really make you think we'll be less likely to get involved in foreign wars? If Clinton were President today, and could put in effect her "no-fly zone" in Syria, do you suppose Russia would respect it? If we tried to enforce Clinton's no-fly zone against Russia, would you be willing to go to war -- nuclear war, probably -- with Russia over Clinton's latest great adventure?
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A famous philosopher once said that the fate of democracies is to end in tyranny.
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This is ground zero for political ads. Newscasts and local papers are filled with the latest Trump stupidity or Clinton email crisis. Yet when we gather with our neighbors, we are careful to avoid ANY political topics unless we are positive we are with like-minded people. This is a friendship breaking election. Most of us avoid yard signs and bumper stickers. On the rare occasion that I see a Trump sign, I assume, fair or not, that the person is a racist. Clinton has detailed plans, Trump has sound bites, most not based on reality. The world is too complicated to elect anyone who is not well prepared on a broad number of issues. For those with Supreme Court fears, remember that the President only nominates. The Senate confirms or perhaps ala Merrick Garland, refuses to even grant a hearing. I was given a Hillary bumper sticker 8 years ago but was more inspired by Barack Obama. I still have it but it remains in my drawer. We live in ground zero but people signaling their political preference are few and far between. A third party candidate, named "Nonuf Abov" would probably have won this.
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Thank you NYT for posting my comment, JILL STEIN is the solution to all these craziness brought on by corporate greed and insanity.
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Vote Johnson! The only true conservative of the four.
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Maybe...once he is able to locate Aleppo on a map.
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Cognitive dissonance notwithstanding, what is lost in many discussions is the issue of "leadership." Many/most people expect to elect someone to lead the country, to give body and voice to some common sense of identity forged from a common sense of purpose. Neither candidate has succeeded in this. Trump intuitively seems to understand the concept but isn't able to articulate any specifics. Clinton's perpetual scowl and finger-wagging in our collective face is a reminder of an unpleasant, unhappy and unfulfilled 7th grade English teacher; ugh! It's hard to imagine sitting through four years watching either one pontificate from the White House. Maybe POTUS should be left empty for two years while we recalibrate and try again in 2018! Not "realistic," but I'd bet lots of people would vote for *"Neither," leaving the incumbent in place while another set of politicians had at it.
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They just must decide if they want big government or not. If yes then vote yes for Clinton and socialism. That means more heavy taxing and less discretionary income for the masses. The government will gladly take their money.
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"Big government" for you never means the annual blank check for the Pentagon, or corporate subsidies. Those ideas you support.
Does "big government" include a congress funding Zika Virus protection for pregnant women? Or is that an idea you reject?
Does "big government" include a congress funding Zika Virus protection for pregnant women? Or is that an idea you reject?
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Given the businesses, schools of higher education, tech; there are more federal dollars (I.e., my taxes) supporting salaries there than are proportionately collected. Even the well off and educated can't (or don't want) to acknowledge this.
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I must be peculiar. I've never given my first vote to the party or the candidate that I thought would benefit me most, but for the party and candidate that I would benefit most people most.
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"Ms. Shelton makes about $21 an hour stacking boxes." This is how unions destroy capitalism. McDonald workers surely utilize more skills flipping burgers and adding condiments to them along with adding a slice of cheese and placing it all between a bun;way more work then repeatedly placing a box ontop of anither. So they ought to be paid $30 an hour. And since their wage is so high they can now refuse to work extra hours.
Hillary feeds the mind of the lazy and dispirited by supporting unions. Lets hope there are more educated voters that will vote for Trump.
Hillary feeds the mind of the lazy and dispirited by supporting unions. Lets hope there are more educated voters that will vote for Trump.
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Curtis believes that unions are destroying capitalism, when capitalism is alive and well and thrives when the 1% continue to get gratuitous tax cuts.
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And the GOP feeds the bank accounts of the lazy rich grifters, who make up the bulk of their clan.
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Dear NYT, have you seen the polls? Both Trump and Clinton have record high unfavorability, nationwide. And over the entire campaign, they haven't learned to improve, but keep making the same mistakes over and over. So there's little hope that they can change now, or in the White House. Poor us.
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An older man interviewed on TV in Columbus, Ohio said that the choice was sordid: An egomaniac vs an opportunist. Deep sigh.
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The simple binary mind.
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Here is the question they have to ask of themselves. Do you want the rest of the world to hates us? If you do vote for Trump.
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"Do you want the rest of the world to hates us? "
A good bit of the world already does. They'll take our money with fake smiles but watch their action in a UN vote. And no matter how much we give them it is never enough.
We can't even buy friends.
A good bit of the world already does. They'll take our money with fake smiles but watch their action in a UN vote. And no matter how much we give them it is never enough.
We can't even buy friends.
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carlson74:
1. Trump pointed out that we pay for a disproportionate amount of our allies’ defense. Even Obama has belatedly said the same thing. If he becomes president, Trump would require our allies to pay more. Would that make them hate us?
2. Trump and Sanders called attention to how our Free Trade agreements have been written to benefit other countries. If Trump became president, he would revise these agreements to level the playing field. This probably would anger our trading partners who have had an unfair advantage for so long over the American worker.
So, yes, electing Trump would upset the status quo. Our allies would be asked to pay their fair share for their own defense, and America's working class would not be sacrificed to give a "leg up" to those in other countries.
1. Trump pointed out that we pay for a disproportionate amount of our allies’ defense. Even Obama has belatedly said the same thing. If he becomes president, Trump would require our allies to pay more. Would that make them hate us?
2. Trump and Sanders called attention to how our Free Trade agreements have been written to benefit other countries. If Trump became president, he would revise these agreements to level the playing field. This probably would anger our trading partners who have had an unfair advantage for so long over the American worker.
So, yes, electing Trump would upset the status quo. Our allies would be asked to pay their fair share for their own defense, and America's working class would not be sacrificed to give a "leg up" to those in other countries.
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3. Right now, an employer might try to justify his hiring of undocumented immigrants by saying that he has to compete with other businesses who do the same thing. Trump would end illegal immigration so a businessman would not have to hire any undocumented workers to keep costs as low as his competitors. This would help American citizens and legal immigrants by opening up jobs for them. And the lower supply of workers would encourage them to ask for higher wages and better working conditions.
But it would anger the Mexican oligarchs and governing class. All of the Mexicans who are now illegally in America would return home. Based on their experience in America, they would know what could be expected of a government, and they would demand change from the Mexican government. The American philanthropies which have been financially helping the undocumented to organize and make demands of our American government, could, instead, help them make demands of their own government. Yes, the richest man in the world, Carlos Slim, his fellow oligarchs, and their government puppets would hate us, but ordinary Mexicans would benefit. Mexico has a vibrant economy and many natural resources. Ordinary Mexicans should get to share in its wealth.
But it would anger the Mexican oligarchs and governing class. All of the Mexicans who are now illegally in America would return home. Based on their experience in America, they would know what could be expected of a government, and they would demand change from the Mexican government. The American philanthropies which have been financially helping the undocumented to organize and make demands of our American government, could, instead, help them make demands of their own government. Yes, the richest man in the world, Carlos Slim, his fellow oligarchs, and their government puppets would hate us, but ordinary Mexicans would benefit. Mexico has a vibrant economy and many natural resources. Ordinary Mexicans should get to share in its wealth.
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Reading this article, I see that a lot people are in the middle and won’t decide until is election day. Like Ms. Merrels Trump is not that ideal candidate but I did not get Ms. Shelton saying “they don’t care about us,” and then she changed mind a few minutes later “I ll tell you what – if she shows up here, she would have my vote.” Wait a minute, she would choose Clinton over Trump because of star popularity to appear in places, just make a presence and not about the issues? I guess we have elected all kind people to be president but for me this is the last Hurrah, no more Mr. nice guy the last time I gave him my vote he didn’t care went into Iraq with false intelligence information after Saddan Hussein and squandered 15 billion a week damaging the economy. After, we got tired of wars and then elected a liberal sounding very intelligent and young promising “changes we can believe in.” suddenly, I had a fine healthy insurance in the 90’s and 00’s but just going to the hospitals for a checkups got me a bill at home that scared me to even thinking going for checkups. Obama care just didn’t help me at all. Now we got 2 people running to be president but for me it’s enough. I will try the business man now and see maybe the economy gets better and we get more jobs opportunity. If not, I will change my vote after 4 years. Time for a change for better or worse we got decide. Good lucks
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Another way to think about it is the long game Supreme Court choice which Trump would help keep balanced. Hillary is an habitual liar with plans to continue Obamas policies. She will continue lining her pockets with money from countries whose human rights policies would forbid her, a woman, from going to school much less be president.
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I certainly will not vote for illegal Democratic candidate, Hillary Clinton, who rigged and stole the Democratic primary nomination from Bernie Sanders and who is a war hawk.
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Yeah, she only received 3 million more votes than Sanders. Why should the Democratic Party have given more credence to a Socialist who decided to become a Democrat to run?
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Hillary Clinton can be said to be well versed in the realm of politics at the State, Congressional, Presidential, and International levels. She is the most experienced politician running in the presidential race. She has more political experience than any previous presidential forerunner. As far as her husband, she is no more her husband than your mate is all about you unless you’re a narcissist. I would believe that it would be a healthy thing for a wife and husband discuss the issues around them but with that said it doesn’t mean that a woman, any woman, must take the advice or direction from such a conversation. To gain the advice from previous experience would be the intelligent approach. Hillary and Bill are just unique because of the positions they hold. Bill Clinton, while being human with his obvious human problems was still considered to be one of the most successful presidents in history. I would vote for Hillary Clinton before I would vote for any and I do mean any GOP(Government Operatives for Pay) running for president, for in reality any GOP are nothing more than a puppet for people like the Koch Brothers and the ALEC. Of course, if the people of this country don’t get out and vote in a supporting federal congress as well as all political positions at the State levels, we will have the exact same problems we have now with President Obama except the racism won’t be over a half-black president, it will be over a woman as a president.
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At this point, I don't care about polls, or articles like this-- that might attempt to sway undecided voters one way or another in order to increase newspaper sales....And for all those who don't recognize that our very Democracy is at stake, because the Republican presidential nominee is willing to sell this country hook, line, and sinker to increase his own personal profit , there's not much to say -- Except that you have decided to put your faith in someone who will not make America great again.
And you all will soon find this out, if Donald Trump is ever to be elected.
And you all will soon find this out, if Donald Trump is ever to be elected.
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".And for all those who don't recognize that our very Democracy is at stake,"
It's not a democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic. If you can't even name the political system why should you be allowed to participate in it?
The founders detested Democracy seeing in it mob rule.
It's not a democracy, it's a Constitutional Republic. If you can't even name the political system why should you be allowed to participate in it?
The founders detested Democracy seeing in it mob rule.
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At a Republican retreat, at the Library of Congress, right before Obama’s 2009 inauguration, Mitch McConnell said:
“there are enough of us to block the Democratic agenda-as long as they all marched in lockstep.”
“As long as Republicans refused to follow his (President Obama’s) lead, Americans would see partisan food fights and conclude that Obama had failed to produce change.”
January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration. In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote that during a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.
The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan(R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich
During the four hour meeting:
The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on all legislation.
“there are enough of us to block the Democratic agenda-as long as they all marched in lockstep.”
“As long as Republicans refused to follow his (President Obama’s) lead, Americans would see partisan food fights and conclude that Obama had failed to produce change.”
January 20, 2009 Republican Leaders in Congress literally plotted to sabotage and undermine U.S. Economy during President Obama's Inauguration. In Robert Draper's book, "Do Not Ask What Good We Do: Inside the U.S. House of Representatives" Draper wrote that during a four hour, "invitation only" meeting with GOP Hate-Propaganda Minister, Frank Luntz, the below listed Senior GOP Law Writers literally plotted to sabotage, undermine and destroy America's Economy.
The Guest List:
Frank Luntz - GOP Minister of Propaganda
Rep. Paul Ryan(R-WI)
Rep. Eric Cantor (R-VA)
Rep. Kevin McCarthy (R-CA),
Rep. Pete Sessions (R-TX),
Rep. Jeb Hensarling (R-TX),
Rep. Pete Hoekstra (R-MI)
Rep. Dan Lungren (R-CA),
Sen. Jim DeMint (SC-R),
Sen. Jon Kyl (AZ-R),
Sen. Tom Coburn (OK-R),
Sen. John Ensign (NV-R) and
Sen. Bob Corker (TN-R).
Non-lawmakers present Newt Gingrich
During the four hour meeting:
The senior GOP members plotted to bring Congress to a standstill regardless how much it would hurt the American Economy by pledging to obstruct and block President Obama on all legislation.
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Since 2007, “The GOPs willingness to say no to everything. They have filibustered over 500 pieces of legislation that would help the middle class and this has actually led to an increase in cynicism and discouragement among the people who were counting on us to fight for them,”
(Politico)
Examples of bills blocked by the GOP:
Student Loan Affordability Act:
Would keep the interest rate of subsidized federal student loans at 3.4% for two years.
Bring Jobs Home Act:
Would grant businesses a tax credit for eliminating a business outside the US and relocating it in the US. Would deny businesses a tax deduction for outsourcing expenses related to outsourcing a business
Small Business Jobs and Tax Relief Act:
Gives small businesses a tax credit if their 2012 payrolls were higher than their 2011 payrolls
Paying a Fair Share Act of 2012
Requires millionaires to pay a 30% minimum tax rate.Expresses the Sense of the Senate that tax reform should repeal unfair loopholes and expenditures and make sure the wealthiest taxpayers pay a fair share of taxes
Repeal Big Oil Tax Subsidies Act:
Extends tax credits for energy efficient residences, electric vehicles, and other alternative forms of energy including wind facilities
Paycheck Fairness Act:
Requires employers to prove differences in pay are not GENDER-RELATED. Would allow employees to discuss salaries without retaliation, and allows government to collect data on women workers to better evaluate the wage gap.
(Politico)
Examples of bills blocked by the GOP:
Student Loan Affordability Act:
Would keep the interest rate of subsidized federal student loans at 3.4% for two years.
Bring Jobs Home Act:
Would grant businesses a tax credit for eliminating a business outside the US and relocating it in the US. Would deny businesses a tax deduction for outsourcing expenses related to outsourcing a business
Small Business Jobs and Tax Relief Act:
Gives small businesses a tax credit if their 2012 payrolls were higher than their 2011 payrolls
Paying a Fair Share Act of 2012
Requires millionaires to pay a 30% minimum tax rate.Expresses the Sense of the Senate that tax reform should repeal unfair loopholes and expenditures and make sure the wealthiest taxpayers pay a fair share of taxes
Repeal Big Oil Tax Subsidies Act:
Extends tax credits for energy efficient residences, electric vehicles, and other alternative forms of energy including wind facilities
Paycheck Fairness Act:
Requires employers to prove differences in pay are not GENDER-RELATED. Would allow employees to discuss salaries without retaliation, and allows government to collect data on women workers to better evaluate the wage gap.
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Your assertion is that more government spending would fix the economy. If anything, the last eight years, with 9 trillion added to the debt, even with record tax revenue, has proven that false.
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Just flip a coin and be done with it!
Simple solution.
Vote for Gary Johnson.
Vote for Gary Johnson.
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It's hard to have sympathy for anyone that voted for Bush Jr for a second term.
Moronic.
Moronic.
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The extreme negative campaigning, both in the primaries and the general election, is hard for people to forget. We cripple our own leaders before their term has even begun. In the end, whomever wins this election will have some very hurt, angry, and disillusioned constituents - maybe upwards of half of them.
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Mrs. Clinton has proposed creating more affordable housing. Yet, she has also proposed granting lawful permanent status to illegal immigrants. When a person is a legal resident, he or she can petition to bring a spouse, children under 21, and even unmarried adult children to our country. This would greatly increase the number of people looking for affordable housing, and make housing prices climb.
When Reagan offered legal status to temporary workers from Mexico, a great many Mexicans and Central Americans came here illegally, with the expectation that they, too, would eventually get legal status. If Mrs. Clinton fulfills their expectation, then even more will come. Virtually all of them will need affordable housing which could make it next-to-impossible to find.
Mrs. Clinton’s promise to create more affordable housing is inconsistent with her promise to legalize illegal immigrants.
When Reagan offered legal status to temporary workers from Mexico, a great many Mexicans and Central Americans came here illegally, with the expectation that they, too, would eventually get legal status. If Mrs. Clinton fulfills their expectation, then even more will come. Virtually all of them will need affordable housing which could make it next-to-impossible to find.
Mrs. Clinton’s promise to create more affordable housing is inconsistent with her promise to legalize illegal immigrants.
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hey Ohio! Not voting is not a neutral position. I found this out in 2004 when we ended up with W. as President. I'm not a fan of Clinton either but I'm willing to vote for the lesser evil. We aren't children. If you don't make a choice, a choice will be made for you. And please don't whine afterwards if you do not vote; you've lost that right.
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Trump is so horrible- let's vote for Hillary... We could have put Bernie in Hillary's spot and Bernie would have walked away with the election. Why did the DNC appoint Hillary? Why did the NYT push Hillary? Why did we have such a limited field of candidates to choose from? This is the elitist power structure we constantly accuse the Republican party of being a part of- and here we are as Democrats doing the exact same thing! Hillary had her chance to run in 2008 and lost. In the meantime, try to avoid asking me any pressing questions, better yet try one of these wonderful chocolates and don't ask me anything at all.
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Without Trump's tax returns, none of middle America has any idea who this man is. Trump's whole persona is that he is successful in business. Is it so? And what benefits from nonpayment of taxes play into his success.
Citizens of Ohio are paying taxes like the rest of working Americans. How can they vote for Trump who has avoided taxes, loan payments, contracts, and other financial responsibilities. He is a hoaxer.
Citizens of Ohio are paying taxes like the rest of working Americans. How can they vote for Trump who has avoided taxes, loan payments, contracts, and other financial responsibilities. He is a hoaxer.
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It is becoming clear that Donald Trump's support in Ohio and elsewhere consists mainly of low-educated white men, who are used to living in a static economy and do not have the will or energy for learning skills that would enable them to secure good-paying jobs in a dynamic, technological society: jobs in biotechnology, nursing and other allied health professions, computer programming, and high-skilled manufacturing. These jobs do not require a four-year liberal arts education. The skills can be obtained at vocational schools and community colleges.
Unfortunately, Donald Trump is appealing to their lowest instincts by blaming their plight on immigrants, Muslims, and blacks. For example, he still can't apologize for his birther accusations against President Obama; or for his attack on Judge Curiel's heritage; or for his demeaning of the Kahn family. If he were elected, he would be unable to govern.
Unfortunately, Donald Trump is appealing to their lowest instincts by blaming their plight on immigrants, Muslims, and blacks. For example, he still can't apologize for his birther accusations against President Obama; or for his attack on Judge Curiel's heritage; or for his demeaning of the Kahn family. If he were elected, he would be unable to govern.
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If I have a successful business what am I missing out on by not having a college degree?
You on the Left have no idea how many small business owners are autodidacts. We read and study both for self improvement and enjoyment. Keep imagining those troglodytes going home to their cave to beat the wife before bedtime. The things you think and say about us are why we don't pay attention to you.
By the way, I ran my own business for 31 years before retiring. I own three homes, one an ocean front cottage that rents for $70,000 a year in income. I've no debts and and I'm sure my charitable contributions would put you to shame. My child went to college to be a Civil Engineer graduating summa and It was all paid for by his parents. Before I retired I had little contact with the government. My contact now is through my Social Security check and Medicare both of which I spent my entire work life paying for. I still pay Medicare premiums and all the associated expense for medical care.
Your problem with us is our independence from government. And don't try that hooey about how it couldn't be done without it. If the roads and other things ween't there we would still have been successful. That's why we're in business and you probably aren't.
A final note. My last grade completed was the ninth grade. I found the structured "education" system to a deterrent to getting an education for real life.
You on the Left have no idea how many small business owners are autodidacts. We read and study both for self improvement and enjoyment. Keep imagining those troglodytes going home to their cave to beat the wife before bedtime. The things you think and say about us are why we don't pay attention to you.
By the way, I ran my own business for 31 years before retiring. I own three homes, one an ocean front cottage that rents for $70,000 a year in income. I've no debts and and I'm sure my charitable contributions would put you to shame. My child went to college to be a Civil Engineer graduating summa and It was all paid for by his parents. Before I retired I had little contact with the government. My contact now is through my Social Security check and Medicare both of which I spent my entire work life paying for. I still pay Medicare premiums and all the associated expense for medical care.
Your problem with us is our independence from government. And don't try that hooey about how it couldn't be done without it. If the roads and other things ween't there we would still have been successful. That's why we're in business and you probably aren't.
A final note. My last grade completed was the ninth grade. I found the structured "education" system to a deterrent to getting an education for real life.
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Clinton is somewhat lacking in charm. Trump is entirely lacking in substance.
Clinton bends the truth occasionally. Trump has no relationship with the truth whatsoever; he tells the truth only accidentally when he forgets to lie.
Clinton bends the truth occasionally. Trump has no relationship with the truth whatsoever; he tells the truth only accidentally when he forgets to lie.
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" He recently bought his first new vehicle since 1999, 'the last time things were decent.' " Gee, around the end of 8 years of Clinton, right?
But he doesn't notice that the economy always gets decent during Democratic administrations, and always gets worse during Republican ones. Still got to vote the R, to cut Rich folks' taxes and reduce regulations on the big Rich companies. Suffer through another Repub Recession, then hopefully the rest of the country will overrule him again and bring back the good times. But he won't vote D, of course not.
We need the FCC's equal time and public service rules brought back, so even these addicts of Faux News would be shown at least occasional factual information about who really does what in government.
But he doesn't notice that the economy always gets decent during Democratic administrations, and always gets worse during Republican ones. Still got to vote the R, to cut Rich folks' taxes and reduce regulations on the big Rich companies. Suffer through another Repub Recession, then hopefully the rest of the country will overrule him again and bring back the good times. But he won't vote D, of course not.
We need the FCC's equal time and public service rules brought back, so even these addicts of Faux News would be shown at least occasional factual information about who really does what in government.
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Equal time and public service rules applied only to broadcast TV. They were put in place because there were a limited number of TV channels. With thousands of cable channels, there is room for everyone, and these rules are no longer needed.
I think it would be a wise rule to require all stations, over the air or cable, to provide a certain amount of civics related programming.
We also need public funded campaigns, which would probably involve getting the media to contribute their fair share to the nation they profit off of, by providing advertising space for serious political discourse.
We also need public funded campaigns, which would probably involve getting the media to contribute their fair share to the nation they profit off of, by providing advertising space for serious political discourse.
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Ohio, and the rest of our nation, would have elected Bernie Sanders as the next POTUS by an landslide in November if he were the
Ohio, as well as the rest of the nation, would make Bernie Sanders the next POTUS in November if he, the actual winner of the primaries, were the nominee at the DNC in July. That progressive prospect was cruelly and stupidly denied by a rigged DNC and an aristocratic super delegate vote which gave the nomination to the far weaker candidate. Consequently, America and the rest of the world will have to endure the disaster of a Trump presidency. Hopefully we will rise from the its ashes with a better America and world.
Ohio, as well as the rest of the nation, would make Bernie Sanders the next POTUS in November if he, the actual winner of the primaries, were the nominee at the DNC in July. That progressive prospect was cruelly and stupidly denied by a rigged DNC and an aristocratic super delegate vote which gave the nomination to the far weaker candidate. Consequently, America and the rest of the world will have to endure the disaster of a Trump presidency. Hopefully we will rise from the its ashes with a better America and world.
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Since Trump is hell bent on keeping illegal immigration out, and it's policy worthy a campaign debate, let's start with his wife's immigration status - why was she seen in the U.S. in 1995 when she claimed that she came here in 1996? Trump promised to do a news conference to straighten that out a month ago. Let's get the thick-skinned (in her own words to cable network) Slovenian model of a plagiarism-riddled college grad wannabe on the record, and let her explain the visa stamps and back-and-forth trips when immigration policies did not even require her to do that.
I know it all sounds confusing. Such is reality in the life of the Trumps.
I know it all sounds confusing. Such is reality in the life of the Trumps.
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Okay, so I'm doing pretty well, better than 8 years ago and probably will continue to do so unless I vote for Mr. Trump who thinks you can pull off trade wars and protectionism without hurting what made us successful (and we wont even talk about his personal failings). But I just can't vote for her because..... Benghazi?
I teach government and I'm just plain tuckered out at this point. Is it too late for NY and California just to figure out something on their own and anyone else who wants to join in is welcome?
I teach government and I'm just plain tuckered out at this point. Is it too late for NY and California just to figure out something on their own and anyone else who wants to join in is welcome?
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How Donald Trump Handles Stress- This old Trump quote from 2004, a response to a Larry King Live caller asking how he handles stress, made the rounds today: “I try and tell myself it doesn’t matter. Nothing matters. If you tell yourself it doesn’t matter, like you do shows, you do this, you do that and then you have earthquakes in India where 400,000 people get killed. Honestly, it doesn’t matter. That’s how I handle stress.”[CNN]
By Trump openly discussing his willingness to use nuclear weapons, to be flippant about their use, it allows the conversations to equally go to our enemies that either have nuclear capabilities or our enemies without nuclear weapons who will do what is necessary to acquire a nuclear weapon. They too can begin the thought process of "hey, let's just use nuclear weapons". From that thought process, you only have to worry about who draws first blood. Nuclear weapons do not have to be ICBMs, they can be tactical. You can drive them up to the attack site in a car trunk. The twin towers will look like toy bowling pins falling compared to a nuclear explosion in a city the size of NY.
Do you really want someone with the keys to nuclear war to have an “it doesn’t matter” attitude about the level of destruction that would be unleashed perhaps ending all life on Earth?
By Trump openly discussing his willingness to use nuclear weapons, to be flippant about their use, it allows the conversations to equally go to our enemies that either have nuclear capabilities or our enemies without nuclear weapons who will do what is necessary to acquire a nuclear weapon. They too can begin the thought process of "hey, let's just use nuclear weapons". From that thought process, you only have to worry about who draws first blood. Nuclear weapons do not have to be ICBMs, they can be tactical. You can drive them up to the attack site in a car trunk. The twin towers will look like toy bowling pins falling compared to a nuclear explosion in a city the size of NY.
Do you really want someone with the keys to nuclear war to have an “it doesn’t matter” attitude about the level of destruction that would be unleashed perhaps ending all life on Earth?
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We're bigots, we're just not sure how big of bigots we are.
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(AsP) Donald Trump, while writing in a note book, was overseen writing how he believes that he can “save” America. He writes in his notes that he wants to “sell” a state. The security service man that saw the writing quit and found outside employment.
Considering that Trump thinks that Putin is the great leader, I would hesitate a guess that Trump wants to sell Alaska back to Putin. Putin has always wanted it back. Besides the oil reserves, Putin could put his military on North American soil.
Considering that Trump thinks that Putin is the great leader, I would hesitate a guess that Trump wants to sell Alaska back to Putin. Putin has always wanted it back. Besides the oil reserves, Putin could put his military on North American soil.
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Putin is a leader because he supports the interests of Russia.
If Trump did the corresponding thing in the US, then he would represent the interests of the US, and would not worry about the problems of foreign countries.
If Trump did the corresponding thing in the US, then he would represent the interests of the US, and would not worry about the problems of foreign countries.
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I'm from this area. The Columbus Metro area is very different from the rest of Ohio. Columbus was built on Ohio State, and then white collar jobs at Nationwide and State Farm Insurance as well as state government. Columbus never saw the unemployment, that Wilmington (DHL/Fed-Ex), Circleville (RCA plant), and the rust belt cities of Cleveland, Youngstown, and Toledo saw. Trump's economic descriptions fit other parts of the state, but not the economically well insulated capital.
In Ohio, compared to what I see in NJ, parties campaign. The Democratic vote comes from the cities, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Youngstown/Akron, and Toledo. not the other counties. Party organization is at the county level, not lower. There is a booth at EVERY town fair, and a float in EVERY parade. There is solidarity, and people recognize, and personally know, the people in the booths. I worked on one Bush campaign, and never were outside workers brought to the area. Personal contact was valued. It is in contrast to NJ, where each town has their own club, if not two, and there is too much infighting to organize, recruit, and keep local people. We also saw state politicians, and senators regularly. They were not isolated, as in NJ.
I understand that Trump is viewed as rough and uncouth, and I do not think people will vote for him, but they will vote against Clinton, which has the same result.
In Ohio, compared to what I see in NJ, parties campaign. The Democratic vote comes from the cities, Cleveland, Columbus, Cincinnati, Youngstown/Akron, and Toledo. not the other counties. Party organization is at the county level, not lower. There is a booth at EVERY town fair, and a float in EVERY parade. There is solidarity, and people recognize, and personally know, the people in the booths. I worked on one Bush campaign, and never were outside workers brought to the area. Personal contact was valued. It is in contrast to NJ, where each town has their own club, if not two, and there is too much infighting to organize, recruit, and keep local people. We also saw state politicians, and senators regularly. They were not isolated, as in NJ.
I understand that Trump is viewed as rough and uncouth, and I do not think people will vote for him, but they will vote against Clinton, which has the same result.
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As Winston Churchill said the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voters. These Ohio voters can do it even faster. Unbelievable.
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What I find troubling about this article is the assumption on the part of many interviewees that a presidential election is somehow like a 7th grade popularity contest. It's not about who you "like" or don't. It's about who is best suited to lead the most powerful and influential country in the world.
I wish people would think a little more broadly about what/who they are voting for.
I wish people would think a little more broadly about what/who they are voting for.
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I cannot for the life of me figure out why that is a real thing. So many people say the just don't like HRC. If feel it's the social media culture where people have all of these counterfeit, digital relationships. "Like" and "friend" have taken on whole new meanings. How can you really like or dislike someone you only know as a public figure? And why do you need to? There are people I like as individuals and would not trust them to water my plants while I'm away. And there are people I don't particularly like, but can count on to handle business when necessary.
Our value system is really unbalanced these days. It's unfortunate that the celebrity culture has reduced everything down to a juvenile popularity contest.
Our value system is really unbalanced these days. It's unfortunate that the celebrity culture has reduced everything down to a juvenile popularity contest.
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The problem with the US is that we have too high expectations of our Presidents- we have a savior complex, we think our Presidents will be able to solve all our problems. And,of course, they don't. We should be more like Europeans and Canadians and lower our expectations.
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As a former No Western Ohioan from a university town; most citizens think and vote locally. In the '50's my introduction to voting was from my father who informed me that I wouldn't find a Dem on the ballot! He was right! Republicans ran everything/running unopposed. The week I graduated from university I left to experience life in the rest of the world. Ohio sadly hasn't changed! Still filled with parochial thinking in spite of it's numerous highly regarded colleges & universities. How unfortunate that it has an out of proportion effect on presidential outcomes & the rest of the electorate.
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Ms. Shelton is 26, with $22K in student loan dept for less than 2 years towards a nursing degree she claims she can't afford to finish, and a newborn and makes about $21 per hour making boxes. But she isn't registered to vote and doesn't plan too. If you can't be bothered to do your civic duty and vote for the elected officials whose decisions affect you and your child's life, and I am not just talking about POTUS, you have no right to complain about anything. Shelton makes about $42K a year making boxes and is on strike because she does not want to have to do mandatory overtime. Well I know a lot of people with college degrees, and way more debt that would love to earn 42K a year and wouldn't mind the overtime either. And it is the Dems who have traditionally been supportive of unions and the rights of workers to strike without fear of intimidation or reprisal, which is why she and her coworkers have been able to strike for several months. Get over yourself and vote!
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I read the same article and found myself feeling grateful that I wasn't faced with the choice of keeping a good job and spending no time with a newborn, versus an unknown job with unknown implications for time off...to say nothing of wondering how well I could have stacked boxes when very pregnant. Likely not well.
I'm a strong believer in voting at every election, and yet..I can empathize with her point.
I'm a strong believer in voting at every election, and yet..I can empathize with her point.
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Vote for Donald Trump and he will use your tax dollars to invest in Trump Enterprise
Vote for Hilary Clinton and the worst is she has the email server in the White House
Vote for Gary Johnson and you have a president with a 5th grade geography and world affair understanding
Vote for Hilary Clinton and the worst is she has the email server in the White House
Vote for Gary Johnson and you have a president with a 5th grade geography and world affair understanding
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Oh, to be fair, vote for Jill Stein and you have a MD president who is an anti-vaxer and doesn't believe in medicine
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To paraphrase Longfellow...Tribalism is strong, it mocks the song peace on earth and goodwill to all men. Even some of these dyed in the wool Republicans recognize voting for Trump is insane (as do a number of my Republican friends) and represents a threat to the economic and physical security of the American people but they will still do it. Hopefully a sufficient number will either see sense or just not vote to produce the best outcome.
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Most of them will vote Republican, whether they push the Trump button or not. Folks with a long habit of going for one party often have such an allergy to voting for anyone from the other that they simply can't. The simply do not really listen to candidates from the "other side," so never really know what they stand for - and what they hear they filter through their own party's propaganda.
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Very true. This is also why we keep sending the same group back to Washington. We (ALL) need to wake up and get more involved in the *primary* process so we at least have people in the races who actually represent *us* (not just the moneyed few).
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MRM we did had a primary, guess what all of them are together against the common folks they only thinking is “my lobby packages after I’m elected.” We had almost 17 people running on the primary none of this candidates talked about wages, healthy insurance, jobs, how they could make folks lives a bit little better. This stage of our politics need reform because there are too much money lobbying a candidate are not there to represent the folks but to take advantage for his family and greediness plans for his future instead of the nation. The first thing they need to do is take lobbying out of congress. The only guy outside Washington is just Mr. Trump, the only way to know for sure is to elect him.
“People should ask if we’re doing better than we were doing eight years ago,” Ms. Soliday said. “And the answer is yes.”
Not to be critical but this is the short sighted, backward looking view that Reagan offered us in 1984. It took 3 more decades to arrive at the fulfillment of the Reagan Revolution, which dramatically expanded inequality and the national debt in America.
The real question is which candidate will look out for the interests of your grandchildren, given climate change, gender pay equality and other issues.
Hint: its not Trump
Not to be critical but this is the short sighted, backward looking view that Reagan offered us in 1984. It took 3 more decades to arrive at the fulfillment of the Reagan Revolution, which dramatically expanded inequality and the national debt in America.
The real question is which candidate will look out for the interests of your grandchildren, given climate change, gender pay equality and other issues.
Hint: its not Trump
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As to Mr. Paxton, "He recently bought his first new vehicle since 1999, “the last time things were decent.” Who was president the last time things were decent? CJ Soliday is also correct. Are you better off now than 8 years ago and the answer for many of us is yes. As to Ms. Shelton and IP, your favored Republican legislatures across the country are ensuring through right to work laws and many others that business will continue to ignore workers. She should plan on 88 hours a week, a stagnant paycheck and smaller benefits if they keep supporting Republicans. Mr. Paxton and his ilk cannot recognize they are better off under Democrats than Republicans.
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Couldn't help but notice that you didn't give an example:
"[Clinton] has truly done good things for all Americans."
"[Clinton] has truly done good things for all Americans."
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But we can easily come up with examples of what Trump has done TO Americans.
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""He recently bought his first new vehicle since 1999, “the last time things were decent.” Who was president the last time things were decent?"
That would be Mr. Clinton.
Now, Mrs. Clinton is not as 'charming', but I'm willing to bet that she was paying close attention during those years and has a pretty good idea of what to do.
That would be Mr. Clinton.
Now, Mrs. Clinton is not as 'charming', but I'm willing to bet that she was paying close attention during those years and has a pretty good idea of what to do.
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How about this: Children’s Health Insurance Program?
You can look it up.
You can look it up.
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The difference between Repubs and Dems in Delaware County is very simple: Repubs got theirs and intend to keep every last bit while Kasich's "Dem wimmin" are having more unplanned pregnancies due to oppressive women's health restrictions. Delaware Dems, on the other hand, are genuinely nice people who look out for their fellow citizens and ergo, don't predate on them, and suffer for it.
You can betcha that the Repubs will dig in like pigs at a sty, and cannibalize themselves rather than vote for a competent, reasonable, dedicated politician such as Hillary Clinton.
Ohio is not the heartland, but rather the center of heartlessness. At this point in time, it's Republican thugs disgust me.
You can betcha that the Repubs will dig in like pigs at a sty, and cannibalize themselves rather than vote for a competent, reasonable, dedicated politician such as Hillary Clinton.
Ohio is not the heartland, but rather the center of heartlessness. At this point in time, it's Republican thugs disgust me.
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After almost six years in Ohio, trust me, these morons will vote for Trump!
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I believe you. John Kasich and John Boehner is enough said for me.
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Ms. Shelton is much more likely to receive a visit from Hillary than from Donald Trump.
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The media is not giving the Green Party's candidate Jill Stein any exposure in order to have Hillary and Trump dominate this election cycle. There are millions who have no knowledge that there is an alternative to these two crazy candidates. Please research Jill Stein's platform, and you will be pleasantly surprised to find out she is qualified to run for President. This is the only candidate who doesn't have a record of scandals and corruption.
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I think her arrest dimmed even a passing mention. She was vandalizing property in the name of environmentalism, I believe. Not even the accepted embezzlement, tax evasion, or corruption.
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Jill Stein's numbers don't add up. She is naive. We got George W. Bush when Nadar ran and as a result we have 2 million displaced persons in the Middle East and growing danger everywhere.
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Jill Stein could be virtue incarnate with an ideal set of policies -- but she has no more chance of becoming President than I do. Our system is winner-take-all, so a sure loser is a vote for...NOTHING. Her"policies" are meaningless if she will never effect them. And it's easy to stay pure if the dirt of real power never touches you.
If Stein cared about positive change more than image, she'd join a party that does win elections, and she'd compete in the arena like Clinton, instead of just posing in the costume and siphoning off votes.
In reality, either Clinton or Trump will be President. Choose, or someone else will choose for you. Do you want the erratic uninformed bigot or the flawed but knowledgeable public servant?
Seems clear to me. But then, I was raised by someone who lived in Berlin during the 1932 elections. I'm sure a lot of citizens later regretted voting for splinter parties instead of *against* the worst candidate ever. Even the ones who survived to vote again.
If Stein cared about positive change more than image, she'd join a party that does win elections, and she'd compete in the arena like Clinton, instead of just posing in the costume and siphoning off votes.
In reality, either Clinton or Trump will be President. Choose, or someone else will choose for you. Do you want the erratic uninformed bigot or the flawed but knowledgeable public servant?
Seems clear to me. But then, I was raised by someone who lived in Berlin during the 1932 elections. I'm sure a lot of citizens later regretted voting for splinter parties instead of *against* the worst candidate ever. Even the ones who survived to vote again.
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Think of it as having a 100% fatal disease (Donald Trump as President) if untreated. You may not like chemo (Hillary Clinton) but at least there is a chance you will live.
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Since the FBI is now in the business of releasing internal "investigation" notes to the public, the IRS ought to follow suit by immediately ending its routine audit of Trump.
Then Donald will have no place to hide.
Then Donald will have no place to hide.
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The choice is quite easy. You only have to ask yourself one question: The election of which candidate will cause Wall Street to collapse, destabilizing the U.S. economy on a scale that would make the Great Depression seem like a walk in the park?
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This election season is making me more depressed by the day. I blame the media for a lot of it: news outlets treat Trump and Clinton as "two flawed candidates with historically high disapproval ratings," and that is the narrative that much of America - as illustrated in this article - has fully bought into.
Come on, let's be serious. Trump is not a "flawed candidate." He is a stunningly unprepared, clueless charlatan whose greatest gift is for self-promotion. He has no serious policy ideas, no serious understanding of complex issues, no moral compass. None.
Clinton is not a "flawed candidate." She is a hard-working, ultra-intelligent, highly experienced woman who has been vilified her entire career, despite her lifelong commitment to public service, for the combined sins of being not a Republican and not a man. Sure, she's flawed in the sense that everyone is, she's made mistakes and has weaknesses. But a serial liar? A corrupt politician? After 25 years of trying, nobody can point to any actual fraud, corruption, pay-to-play scheme, or calculated malfeasance. Let's stop building entire multi-week front-page narratives out of "appearance of impropriety." Please.
This election is like any other election except that ONE candidate is historically unfit. The other is a very normal candidate, whom you may agree with politically or not. Given the historic inadequacy of Trump, the only sane thing to do is vote Clinton even if you have to hold your nose on her policies.
Come on, let's be serious. Trump is not a "flawed candidate." He is a stunningly unprepared, clueless charlatan whose greatest gift is for self-promotion. He has no serious policy ideas, no serious understanding of complex issues, no moral compass. None.
Clinton is not a "flawed candidate." She is a hard-working, ultra-intelligent, highly experienced woman who has been vilified her entire career, despite her lifelong commitment to public service, for the combined sins of being not a Republican and not a man. Sure, she's flawed in the sense that everyone is, she's made mistakes and has weaknesses. But a serial liar? A corrupt politician? After 25 years of trying, nobody can point to any actual fraud, corruption, pay-to-play scheme, or calculated malfeasance. Let's stop building entire multi-week front-page narratives out of "appearance of impropriety." Please.
This election is like any other election except that ONE candidate is historically unfit. The other is a very normal candidate, whom you may agree with politically or not. Given the historic inadequacy of Trump, the only sane thing to do is vote Clinton even if you have to hold your nose on her policies.
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I wish I could recommend this a thousand times.
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I totally agree. The recent WaPo editorial regarding the false equivalency of the email Yet prior to that they published the longest article about nothing I had ever written.
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I think it's sad that so many people in the mid-west can't recognize a huckster when they hear one. The Republicans have become the party of racist sexist xenophobes and anyone who votes for Cheeto-face is just as bad as he is. At least now I know who - and where - to avoid.
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Well Ms. Kelleher, I live in Central Ohio and I'm as Liberal as they come.
There are also Kellehers here one of whom is a Democratic functionary, advising Democratic candidates.
But you just stay away. We're happy to discuss issues with our neighbors, not dismiss them with xenophobic name-calling.
There are also Kellehers here one of whom is a Democratic functionary, advising Democratic candidates.
But you just stay away. We're happy to discuss issues with our neighbors, not dismiss them with xenophobic name-calling.
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I think they do recognize a huckster, and people who spread hate. Ohio has the largest Amish-Mennonite community in the country, and I suppose these gentle pacifist people, who tend to keep to themselves, could be viewed as racist sexist xenophobes, but I never thought of my friends, relatives, and neighbors in those terms. I thought of us as people who worked very hard, didn't accept welfare, and provided our own social aid.
The steel mill towns are incredibly ethnically diversified, a little known fact to people ignorant about the area. People escaped WWII Europe and came to work the steel mills, where the work was incredibly hard but paid well enough that one income bought a home, a car, fed the family, and sent the children to college. Communities were organized around ethnicity, which also included religion, and the churches still have weekly food sales as fund raisers. When the Amish-Mennonite restaurants are added, Ohio has the best food offerings in the country.
It is an an extremely affordable area in which to live, and offers accessible amenities such as universities, history, museums, professional basketball, baseball, football, hockey, and soccer), The majority of borders are water, providing wonderful boating and fishing opportunities, and waters lacking sharks, jellyfish, and other things seeking to kill or harm people.
You are wise to avoid it. We don't call people Cheeto face, nor do we name call or spread hate. It is doubtful you'd feel welcome.
The steel mill towns are incredibly ethnically diversified, a little known fact to people ignorant about the area. People escaped WWII Europe and came to work the steel mills, where the work was incredibly hard but paid well enough that one income bought a home, a car, fed the family, and sent the children to college. Communities were organized around ethnicity, which also included religion, and the churches still have weekly food sales as fund raisers. When the Amish-Mennonite restaurants are added, Ohio has the best food offerings in the country.
It is an an extremely affordable area in which to live, and offers accessible amenities such as universities, history, museums, professional basketball, baseball, football, hockey, and soccer), The majority of borders are water, providing wonderful boating and fishing opportunities, and waters lacking sharks, jellyfish, and other things seeking to kill or harm people.
You are wise to avoid it. We don't call people Cheeto face, nor do we name call or spread hate. It is doubtful you'd feel welcome.
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'Tain't so about all of us. We're actually very down-to-earth and especially in the big cities, very well-educated. The few Trump supporters I've met just seem very frustrated with gridlock and their own lack of fortune.
We in Minnesota - some say accidentally - elected a celebrity as governor (professional wrestler Jesse Ventura, 18 years ago). Similar conditions: Republican governor, Democratic legislature => gridlock; increased taxes and increased spending.
Ventura promised smaller, less intrusive government, lower taxes; to fix everything, similar to Trump does. Jesse also had a much smaller war chest: around $250,000 up against nearly $5 million. Also a performer, huge name recognition, showman, loved to talk (until it became obvious how many of his new constituents hated him). His celebrity, outlandish remarks, and unconventionality brought unending free media coverage and attention to him. His rallies attracted huge crowds. The press also initially thought he had no chance, but Ventura stories increased their sales. Jesse supporters were mainly white, male, lower income and education (younger though rather than older).
Some say Jesse's win was a protest vote gone bad; others say it was name recognition, outsider status, or 'nothing to lose'.
In any case, Minnesota was only state Trump came in lower than second in the primaries. I don't think there's any chance Trump will win Minnesota in the presidential. Now that it's over, we can laugh again about Jesse.
We in Minnesota - some say accidentally - elected a celebrity as governor (professional wrestler Jesse Ventura, 18 years ago). Similar conditions: Republican governor, Democratic legislature => gridlock; increased taxes and increased spending.
Ventura promised smaller, less intrusive government, lower taxes; to fix everything, similar to Trump does. Jesse also had a much smaller war chest: around $250,000 up against nearly $5 million. Also a performer, huge name recognition, showman, loved to talk (until it became obvious how many of his new constituents hated him). His celebrity, outlandish remarks, and unconventionality brought unending free media coverage and attention to him. His rallies attracted huge crowds. The press also initially thought he had no chance, but Ventura stories increased their sales. Jesse supporters were mainly white, male, lower income and education (younger though rather than older).
Some say Jesse's win was a protest vote gone bad; others say it was name recognition, outsider status, or 'nothing to lose'.
In any case, Minnesota was only state Trump came in lower than second in the primaries. I don't think there's any chance Trump will win Minnesota in the presidential. Now that it's over, we can laugh again about Jesse.
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Trump must be getting support somewhere since the last Quinnipiac Poll showed Trump leading by one in the entire state. There is a deep distrust of Washington and both candidates and, possibly, journalists as well.
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Yes, yes,yes. Al, absolutely correct, well said.
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"President Obama's economy"? The journalist is aware that a president can't be responsible for the state of the economy, yet uses this phrase to reflect the president's perceived responsibility. This only reinforces the mistaken perception. Be bolder and exercise some critical judgment instead of just repeating received ideas as fact!
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True, but...
"So 1999 was the last time the economy was decent. A fellow named Clinton was President."
1999 was a good year because of the dot-com boom. The dot-com bust happened in 2000, when Bill Clinton also was President. I don't blame him for the bust, but I don't credit him for the boom.
"So 1999 was the last time the economy was decent. A fellow named Clinton was President."
1999 was a good year because of the dot-com boom. The dot-com bust happened in 2000, when Bill Clinton also was President. I don't blame him for the bust, but I don't credit him for the boom.
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Given all the contempt for voters, I think we should reduce the franchise, back to what the founders wanted
landed white male gentry - oops
landed white male gentry - oops
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To Anne Merrels who was interviewed for this article: you have 2 choices and if you do not vote for Hilary Clinton you are supporting Donald Trump to victory...where is the confusion???
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That's false. There are other choices. I'm going to vote Libertarian for the first time myself. If more people voted their conscience, then neither one of these horrible candidates would get elected.
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A sane response. Stop voting for party loyalty, vote for the person. There's no such thing as a protest vote, or a 'hold your nose' vote.
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No. There are no other choices. Not in reality. Either Trump or Hillary is going to be the next president. You can vote for either one of them, and your vote will count. Voting third party is a fool's errand.
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Here is another example of how the R's demonization of Hilary has created people who see Hillary as horrible. If you were to ask them for examples, beyond the standard talking points (Bengazi -- 9 R investigations and millions spent to try to tar her as "killing" Americans; and email -- mostly old news that was, yes, poorly handled) you have nothing.
Somehow, Trump, is better! A guy from whom 70 percent of statements are false, mostly false or pants on fire. A guy who admires a dictator and claims he is better than our American president. A guy who doesn't respect the rule of law. A guy whose political career was made claiming our president wasn't born in the US. A guy who maligns parents of a son killed in action. A guy who has gone bankrupt four times. A guy who has robbed this election from any substantive discussion of issues.
But that's all okay as long as you don't use an unauthorized server for your email. Wow.
Somehow, Trump, is better! A guy from whom 70 percent of statements are false, mostly false or pants on fire. A guy who admires a dictator and claims he is better than our American president. A guy who doesn't respect the rule of law. A guy whose political career was made claiming our president wasn't born in the US. A guy who maligns parents of a son killed in action. A guy who has gone bankrupt four times. A guy who has robbed this election from any substantive discussion of issues.
But that's all okay as long as you don't use an unauthorized server for your email. Wow.
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You can't fix stupid.
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But he is: 1) white 2) male.
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Right. But, unfortunately, you can lead stupid to the voting booth.
What rings true to me ( an independent from West Coast and Chicago, now in Ohio) is that Kasich is the archetypical Republican for this state--IF we aren't counting the very southern, Appalachian counties.
We would have far better off if our choices had been Biden versus Kasich.
We would have far better off if our choices had been Biden versus Kasich.
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I do not agree. Kasich has not had the popularity within the party that past Republican governors have enjoyed. He is much like Trump. His media presence made his name known. He has divided the party, and while he has their support due to party loyalty, he never has had their hearts.
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Why Biden over Clinton? They are nearly identical as candidates.
They hold similar views, have parallel careers, a history of "gaffes" -- plus the whiff of financial coziness or "corruption." ** Both offer the GOP plenty of attack fodder. Biden is more genial; Clinton more focused. But the differences are mainly superficial.
I think Biden looks better to you partly because the Republicans didn't waste money tearing him down relentlessly. And partly because there is one big difference between Clinton and Biden. Leaders with a Y chromosome get the benefit of the doubt in our culture, on honesty, authenticity, ambition, and authority. Women are still gullty until proven innocent -- judged insincere, malignant, selfish and bossy when they display the same traits judged positive in men. It may not be conscious, but the wicked old witch archetype still haunts our brains -- the assumption that powerful, independent older women must be animated by evil and greed. Male leaders are assumed capable and constructive -- even when they prove themselves incompetent and exploitive.
Our tribal lizard brain may operate outside our awareness, but it still drives our perception -- even when it is wrong.
** Do you know what Biden's home state is famous for? Being the best state to incorporate in -- fast process, few questions. I was a legal secretary up north, filling out Delaware forms. Anyone who wants a shell company in the U.S. files in Delaware.
They hold similar views, have parallel careers, a history of "gaffes" -- plus the whiff of financial coziness or "corruption." ** Both offer the GOP plenty of attack fodder. Biden is more genial; Clinton more focused. But the differences are mainly superficial.
I think Biden looks better to you partly because the Republicans didn't waste money tearing him down relentlessly. And partly because there is one big difference between Clinton and Biden. Leaders with a Y chromosome get the benefit of the doubt in our culture, on honesty, authenticity, ambition, and authority. Women are still gullty until proven innocent -- judged insincere, malignant, selfish and bossy when they display the same traits judged positive in men. It may not be conscious, but the wicked old witch archetype still haunts our brains -- the assumption that powerful, independent older women must be animated by evil and greed. Male leaders are assumed capable and constructive -- even when they prove themselves incompetent and exploitive.
Our tribal lizard brain may operate outside our awareness, but it still drives our perception -- even when it is wrong.
** Do you know what Biden's home state is famous for? Being the best state to incorporate in -- fast process, few questions. I was a legal secretary up north, filling out Delaware forms. Anyone who wants a shell company in the U.S. files in Delaware.
Clinton indisputably understands government better than Trump does. But what matters more is what decisions she'd make. Her supporter insist we should discuss "policy," but it's unclear where she stands on many issues.
Let's face it: she's flip-flopped quite a bit. She was against gay marriage, for example; now she's for it. She was for the Keystone pipeline; now she's against it. She was for the TPP trade agreement; now she's against it.
If "policy" is what matters, what should we consider Clinton's "policies" to be? She changes them frequently. The only consistency I've noticed involves war: she likes it. But I think we're too quick to jump into foreign wars, and so I don't like her "Shoot first, ask questions later" view.
This doesn't mean I like Trump, but it does mean I have a very low opinion of Clinton. She either changes her positions so often that I don't have a clue what she really believes on any issue -- except for war, and she's too trigger-happy for my taste there.
One doesn't have to vote for either candidate, or for any candidate. Many Hillary supporters ask, rhetorically, how anyone can even think of voting for Trump. The very same rhetorical question can be asked about Clinton. I really don't understand how someone can have a low opinion of her and yet vote for her.
Let's face it: she's flip-flopped quite a bit. She was against gay marriage, for example; now she's for it. She was for the Keystone pipeline; now she's against it. She was for the TPP trade agreement; now she's against it.
If "policy" is what matters, what should we consider Clinton's "policies" to be? She changes them frequently. The only consistency I've noticed involves war: she likes it. But I think we're too quick to jump into foreign wars, and so I don't like her "Shoot first, ask questions later" view.
This doesn't mean I like Trump, but it does mean I have a very low opinion of Clinton. She either changes her positions so often that I don't have a clue what she really believes on any issue -- except for war, and she's too trigger-happy for my taste there.
One doesn't have to vote for either candidate, or for any candidate. Many Hillary supporters ask, rhetorically, how anyone can even think of voting for Trump. The very same rhetorical question can be asked about Clinton. I really don't understand how someone can have a low opinion of her and yet vote for her.
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Because the alternative is our first elected dictator, that's why.
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Which we need right now.
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Yes. Not voting at all is really the solution to all our problems.
Vote Blue 2016
Vote Blue 2016
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“Listen, I’m a 45-year-old small-business owner in Delaware, Ohio, and I like guns, fishing and Nascar,”
So what does liking guns, fishing and Nascar have to do with electing politicians from the 2 political parties and future of this country?
Can't you like guns, fishing, and Nascar and also vote Democrat for a relatively sane, experienced candidate to be President rather than an inexperienced, lying, crazy Republican con-artist who insults just about everyone? It is a choice here.
Even if you do not like either candidate, there are clear issue differences between the 2 parties. So:
If you like clean air, water, and uncontaminated land, you would vote Democrat, and if you like dirty aid, contaminated water and air, you vote Republican.
If you want no regulation on banks and financial institutions and you want rich people to get most of the money and to get all kinds of tax breaks, vote Republican. Also vote Republican if you want to reward corporations for taking American jobs abroad.
If you value education, and do not want our young people overwhelmed with staggering student loans, or scammed by for-profit universities such as Trump U and ITT, vote Democrat not Republican.
If you think older people are entitled to the Social Security they paid into, and you do not want SS yanked away from the government and turned over to the private financial sector to be whittled away by outrageous fees and market busts, vote Democrat.
So what does liking guns, fishing and Nascar have to do with electing politicians from the 2 political parties and future of this country?
Can't you like guns, fishing, and Nascar and also vote Democrat for a relatively sane, experienced candidate to be President rather than an inexperienced, lying, crazy Republican con-artist who insults just about everyone? It is a choice here.
Even if you do not like either candidate, there are clear issue differences between the 2 parties. So:
If you like clean air, water, and uncontaminated land, you would vote Democrat, and if you like dirty aid, contaminated water and air, you vote Republican.
If you want no regulation on banks and financial institutions and you want rich people to get most of the money and to get all kinds of tax breaks, vote Republican. Also vote Republican if you want to reward corporations for taking American jobs abroad.
If you value education, and do not want our young people overwhelmed with staggering student loans, or scammed by for-profit universities such as Trump U and ITT, vote Democrat not Republican.
If you think older people are entitled to the Social Security they paid into, and you do not want SS yanked away from the government and turned over to the private financial sector to be whittled away by outrageous fees and market busts, vote Democrat.
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What does it have to do with it? Nothing, but the NRA and the GOP have for decades presided over a disinformation campaign that has convinced gun owners that his fellow citizens' concern over a madman gunning down 26 souls in a CT elementary school will result in him not being able to hunt or fish or apparently watch cars racing.
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Folks, I truly and wholly and really don't like either HRC or Trump BUT we have no choice but to elect HRC.
Trump is off the deep end and God only knows what kind of President he would make. It would likely be chaotic. At least with HRC we would have a chance at putting Congress on the right road because as is Congress is a failed institution. And, we would have a chance at putting The Supreme Court on the right road also - for the foreseeable.
In my view, NO government position as important as The Supreme Court and Congress should be lifetime jobs - BOTH should be subject to Term Limits. Both should be churned frequently so as to be reflective of the changing times.
And, the times ARE changing rapidly.
Trump is off the deep end and God only knows what kind of President he would make. It would likely be chaotic. At least with HRC we would have a chance at putting Congress on the right road because as is Congress is a failed institution. And, we would have a chance at putting The Supreme Court on the right road also - for the foreseeable.
In my view, NO government position as important as The Supreme Court and Congress should be lifetime jobs - BOTH should be subject to Term Limits. Both should be churned frequently so as to be reflective of the changing times.
And, the times ARE changing rapidly.
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"Mr. Trump, she said, seemed to talk mostly about polling numbers."
Trump complimented Putin, saying “Well, he does have an 82% approval rating."
Trump sees the world through numbers -- like running a business -- which is a refreshing contrast to a crooked politician.
Trump complimented Putin, saying “Well, he does have an 82% approval rating."
Trump sees the world through numbers -- like running a business -- which is a refreshing contrast to a crooked politician.
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Hillary Clinton may be a flawed candidate, but Donald Trump would truly be a national embarrassment for so many reasons. I understand party loyalty, but Trump is obviously unqualified. I don't understand why more people can't (or refuse) to see it. Maybe being from NJ allows me to see that he has been a big joke for a long time; I can still remember his silly robocalls to my mother-in-law asking her to visit his casinos in Atlantic City.
But if he wins, the joke will be on America.
But if he wins, the joke will be on America.
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The rubes in the heartland don't know a New York huckster when they hear one ... Classic PT Barnum ... The red states are full of suckers and the uneducated mob the founding fathers justly feared.
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Would you rather suffer the consequences of Trump presidency or a Clinton presidency? Google them both, do some research on them and decide. Country or party first. Remember what happened in 2000? We cannot go backwards.
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These Ohio Republicans are not good citizens. They think only of themselves and not this blessed country as a whole, of all its people. For shame.
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The problem with the electoral system is that it does not taste right but then it is worthy of trying.
Whoever is elected with the establishment’s approval will not fulfill his or her pre-voting over-promises because they were bait-and-switch by the marketing politicians and their promotion departments. Most of the promises are simply false because they would be to their major donors cum owners’ detriment if implemented. This is why voters are tired of the establishment’s rigging both the market and election.
An important countermeasure to the status quo is to de-establish it from out the politics or more succinctly to get rid of capital’s hegemony by rallying to people’s sovereignty banners lost more than 140 years since Lincoln’s democratic revolution.
The ten percent upper class, i.e. the uppermost middle class of this country holds the sway through alliance with capital over the 90 percent gullible in terms of political policies, issues, doctrines, ideologies and directions of the country. Such dim prospects must not bear on the people.
Bernie Sanders and D.J.T. individually and separately object to the establishment’s power grab and their efforts to right the wrong have arisen out of misdeeds of the establishment over a long time.
“People should ask if we’re doing better than we were doing eight years ago.” This question is unfair because then we were in the Great Recession. The right question is why we are still living in its deep shadow.
Whoever is elected with the establishment’s approval will not fulfill his or her pre-voting over-promises because they were bait-and-switch by the marketing politicians and their promotion departments. Most of the promises are simply false because they would be to their major donors cum owners’ detriment if implemented. This is why voters are tired of the establishment’s rigging both the market and election.
An important countermeasure to the status quo is to de-establish it from out the politics or more succinctly to get rid of capital’s hegemony by rallying to people’s sovereignty banners lost more than 140 years since Lincoln’s democratic revolution.
The ten percent upper class, i.e. the uppermost middle class of this country holds the sway through alliance with capital over the 90 percent gullible in terms of political policies, issues, doctrines, ideologies and directions of the country. Such dim prospects must not bear on the people.
Bernie Sanders and D.J.T. individually and separately object to the establishment’s power grab and their efforts to right the wrong have arisen out of misdeeds of the establishment over a long time.
“People should ask if we’re doing better than we were doing eight years ago.” This question is unfair because then we were in the Great Recession. The right question is why we are still living in its deep shadow.
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I don't understand why breaking a taboo by talking/lying about what was discussed in an intelligence briefing and giving an interview to Russian state media in which you bash our media (first amendment rights) and also say Putin is better than President Obama are not disqualifiers.
Folks may be struggling but those two things should eliminate one candidate.
Folks may be struggling but those two things should eliminate one candidate.
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any other year any other candidate it would be, but this year the Trump supporters are not voting FOR trump....i dare you to find one that can make a positive case for him lol.....they are voting AGAINST HRC....thats why the GOP has spent so much effort to crucify her
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Republicans did vote for Trump, they had alternatives. There were 17 candidates running in the primary. They own this; Trump is their monster.
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'C.J. Soliday, a 46-year-old mental health therapist, said “People should ask if we’re doing better than we were doing eight years ago, and the answer is yes.'
'James Kehoe, a 40-year-old real estate agent and registered Republican, who said he did not recognize Mr. Trump’s descriptions of Ohio’s economic desolation.'
These people are clueless and out of touch. I wish I could be as ignorant. The real story is how out of touch the top 5% are now. I was born and raised in Columbus. When I go back to visit family I am always shocked by Ohio's decline.
Calling people names by both sides on this thread just take attention away from the real issues we face which I have not seen addressed in any meaningful way this election by either party.
'James Kehoe, a 40-year-old real estate agent and registered Republican, who said he did not recognize Mr. Trump’s descriptions of Ohio’s economic desolation.'
These people are clueless and out of touch. I wish I could be as ignorant. The real story is how out of touch the top 5% are now. I was born and raised in Columbus. When I go back to visit family I am always shocked by Ohio's decline.
Calling people names by both sides on this thread just take attention away from the real issues we face which I have not seen addressed in any meaningful way this election by either party.
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Voting for President is about voting for a vision even more than voting for policies. Presidents Kennedy and Reagan epitomized that reality. Though totally dystopian and largely predicated on lies, Trump does proffer a vision. Clinton, on the other hand, offers policies. Voters, especially those not already committed, will vote their gut more than they will vote an analytic evaluation of this policy and that.
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So many people tell me the private email server and the repeated lying about it was the last straw with Hillary. First she said she used the private server as not to carry two devices. Laughable a third grader heck a 6 year old knows you can access multiple email accounts on one device. Then Hillary said it was more "convenient." There already was an official server and email account but going to the trouble of setting up a private one is more convenient???? For someone who lies as much as Hillary does you think she would be better at it. Remember Bosnia snipers? Quite frankly I think she's mentally unbalanced.
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is trump mentally balanced in your estimation ?
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These are such trivial issues, don't you think? If the email issue were serious the FBI would have indicted her. Even the supposed 30 "new" Benghazi emails that she failed to turn over initially turn out to be a non-event: 29 had been turned over after all, and 1 was simply a compliment from another diplomat. As for Bosnia snipers - as illustrated by Brian Williams, people's memories in stressful situations can get weird. Ultimately her comment about it was a completely minor incident with no bearing on anything of importance. When you compare these to the substantive problems with Trump, it's hard for me to see how you get worked up about Hillary. It's like comparing a bull in a china shop with someone who spilled a little tea from the cup.
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@eliza, if what you call "little tea" about Hillary is so innocuous, then what ever foibles Trump has do not even register on nay kind of radar. You're even trying to excuse the Bosnia snipers. No one has ever done that. Hillary supporters reek of desperation.
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A mention of the current President's results in his two elections in this
favored county might have given us an added grasp of character. My further guess is that they loved Bush but did not offer to serve in his wars. They let other people do that. The
favored county might have given us an added grasp of character. My further guess is that they loved Bush but did not offer to serve in his wars. They let other people do that. The
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It's amazing and sad to me how identity politics drives many people's voting. Thus, "liking Nascar, fishing and guns" apparently means you have to be a Republican.
This mindset has allowed the Republican party to push more and more extremist, illogical, anti-science, etc. positions - because many of their voters keep voting based on their identity beliefs, not the actual issues.
Supporting a candidate or party should not be like supporting a sports team, where you root for them out of sentiment, regardless of who's on the field. Some objectivity and logical thought should be involved.
This mindset has allowed the Republican party to push more and more extremist, illogical, anti-science, etc. positions - because many of their voters keep voting based on their identity beliefs, not the actual issues.
Supporting a candidate or party should not be like supporting a sports team, where you root for them out of sentiment, regardless of who's on the field. Some objectivity and logical thought should be involved.
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Concur, but after almost six years n Ohio, good luck with that!
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This is nonsense. The fact is that most Republicans do vote based on policy, not personality. This commentator, like many other NYT commentators, presents a cartoonish & demonized view of Republican policies, probably derived from hostile media.
In fact, the Democratic Party stands for higher taxes; greater power in the Federal Government to intrude in the lives of ordinary citizens [even the Libertarians know this]; a smaller defense & weaker foreign policy; continuing the divisive racial policies of the Obama Administration; punishing job creators with more government regulations; and appointing justices to the Supreme Court who will enact liberal policies under the guise of Constitutional interpretation. This is not demonization; this is a rational view of the public policies advocated by Democratic politicians.
The GOP (regardless of Trump) has advocated for many years policies of lower taxes; less government regulation; stronger defense; an emphasis on job creation by supporting job creators; a strong foreign policy of supporting our allies, especially Israel; and the appointment of judges that will interpret the law & not find new constitutional rights where none were stated.
Yes, Trump is an aberration in some respects from normal Republican policy, but he is not so far outside the GOP mainstream in policy (not personality) that he should not be considered.
In fact, the Democratic Party stands for higher taxes; greater power in the Federal Government to intrude in the lives of ordinary citizens [even the Libertarians know this]; a smaller defense & weaker foreign policy; continuing the divisive racial policies of the Obama Administration; punishing job creators with more government regulations; and appointing justices to the Supreme Court who will enact liberal policies under the guise of Constitutional interpretation. This is not demonization; this is a rational view of the public policies advocated by Democratic politicians.
The GOP (regardless of Trump) has advocated for many years policies of lower taxes; less government regulation; stronger defense; an emphasis on job creation by supporting job creators; a strong foreign policy of supporting our allies, especially Israel; and the appointment of judges that will interpret the law & not find new constitutional rights where none were stated.
Yes, Trump is an aberration in some respects from normal Republican policy, but he is not so far outside the GOP mainstream in policy (not personality) that he should not be considered.
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I have heard otherwise intelligent and good people express their support for Trump, and I suspect that there are many closet Trump supporters who have simply gone silent as the strikes against him have continue to pile up. But on Election Day, when no one is looking and it's just them and their ballot, they will vote for him. And by the time they see what a disaster he is as President and how much the country will suffer, it will be too late. That's why we must get out and collect as many votes as possible for Hillary.
In America, it's assumed that people who have money must be intelligent and sensible, but any of us who have worked in large corporations run by highly paid idiots know otherwise. And any of us who have followed Trump closely know that no amount of money can buy respectability or decency.
In America, it's assumed that people who have money must be intelligent and sensible, but any of us who have worked in large corporations run by highly paid idiots know otherwise. And any of us who have followed Trump closely know that no amount of money can buy respectability or decency.
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Time for Delaware County to wake up. You only have 2 choices, Trump or Clinton. One is qualified, the other is not. One is rational, the other is not. One is experienced, the other is not. If you think your 3rd choice is to not vote, you might just as well go out and vote for Trump--you will be just as guilty for the consequences.
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The documented fact that both stock market growth and GDP growth have been far higher under Democratic presidents than under Republican presidents for the last 80 years apparently does not register among these relatively affluent people in Ohio who all benefit greatly from both of these economic trends.
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I grew up in Cleveland and lived in Columbus for 25 years. The simple fact of the matter is that Clinton's elitism and dishonesty don't play well in Ohio. (Trump of course, has his problems with dishonesty, but it is the dishonesty of a blowhard. Clinton has cold, calculating dishonesty and not a shred of authenticity.) If Trump does reasonably well in the debates and moderates his stances a little, he will win Ohio.
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Only because of the Appalachian, more-like-South, counties at bottom of state. The land of Cleveland Clinic and its satellites, OSU, and a dozen other exceptional schools aren't rubes. The farmers some of most sophisticated in nation, daily monitoring and buying on international markets the grain commodities, etc. It was a pleasant surprise when I lived in country my first few years in Ohio. They all bemoaned the first Pres Bush trying to shut down every USA factory and ship the factories to China. They were sophisticated discussing it. Also, to my big surprise, at least a third of them made foreign trip for a week every year to a different nation, to see variety of farms, plus the commodity market trading centers.
It is naive to paint them as simpletons.
It is naive to paint them as simpletons.
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Maybe we need an 11 hour televised congressional investigative testimony with Trump to answer for Trump University, the subsequent bribes to various state attorneys, his "Trump Foundation" and his tax returns.
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It may not be kind to say, but many of these Republicans are being compelled to look at their own irrationality. Why do they hate Hillary? The usual right-wing answers make no sense and skip over the obvious - we've had many fine presidents who skirt around the edges and gloss over details in their pursuit of power. But we've never had an ignorant, deranged, malignant narcissist with the emotional maturity of a 5-year-old within serious striking distance of the White House. Why is it so difficult for people to exercise judgment, use maturity and act like adults when it come to voting? When did so many voters turn into infants, unable to see real danger, obsessed with their witch cartoon?
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These folks are the product of right wing propaganda , they are no match for the scientific exploitation of fear and uncertainty. On a cross country drive you'll be hard pressed to find anything other than the voice of Fox, Rush, and myriad copycat right wing hucksters.
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For what its worth.
We often drive through Delaware County and Morrow County, a very conservative county directly north of Delaware County. Unlike past years, we have seen one Hillary bumper sticker and no Trump stickers. The takeaway seems that no one is excited about the candidate they would usually lean towards. To me only one candidate is qualified to be president. Do the research.
We often drive through Delaware County and Morrow County, a very conservative county directly north of Delaware County. Unlike past years, we have seen one Hillary bumper sticker and no Trump stickers. The takeaway seems that no one is excited about the candidate they would usually lean towards. To me only one candidate is qualified to be president. Do the research.
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When you don't vote, you have no gripe coming and you have no right to a discussion. I feel people who support Trump are people who blame the government for their lot in life. They dislike people who are more affluent than they are. Again, it's all the government's fault. They believe that a savior will come and empower them. It won't be someone like Trump and it won't be a television evangelist. Further your education and your children's and you will improve your lot in life and you won't need to dream a savior will bail you out.
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I live in a Republican stronghold, party loyal since the Civil War. The vote will go for Trump, but I've yet to see a yard sign for him. He's an embarrassment to the country, a buffoon who would lower our nation's status immeasurably. I'll cast my ballot for Clinton and spend time in Georgia to get out the vote, where it might count for something.
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It appears that the presence of prosperity is no guarantee of an informed and discerning voter.
If in fact it does boil down to the lesser of two evils for you, then, dammit, vote for the safer one. Shooting yourself in the foot isn't going to help you or the other 300+ million Americans aboard the boat we are in.
If in fact it does boil down to the lesser of two evils for you, then, dammit, vote for the safer one. Shooting yourself in the foot isn't going to help you or the other 300+ million Americans aboard the boat we are in.
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It's a sad, sad day when many of us don't care that the emperor has no clothes on, yet will choose to let him walk around, domestically and internationally, on behalf of and making fools out of each one of us.
Forget even his inability to present cohesive statements, which is often laced with rhetorical steroids like "believe me" or "great, great, great...", some of his supporters seem to confuse buffoonery with a straight shooter.
Over time America has survived Nixon's Watergate, Reagan's accelerated program of deregulation and three wars begun by the Bushes. But we as a people, the rule of law and our system of government may realistically go to ruinous effects if Trump were elected.
Assuming people are creators of habit. Trump is hard-wired in the pursuit of business transactions and profits, often at the expenses of basic human values such as respect and collaboration. The fact that the GOP is as fractious as it is, with less than 60 days before we vote its fate should be plenty evidence that Trump cannot lead outside of the Trump enterprise.
It's not hard to see that Trump is as ruthless as he is pretentious. When his family introduced themselves earlier this year, his son Eric answered an audience question about his favorite father-son activity growing up by saying that it was golf and work, while Trump said that he had aspired to play baseball. He never shared his favorite pastime with his own son, folks! That's the real All-American family man!
Forget even his inability to present cohesive statements, which is often laced with rhetorical steroids like "believe me" or "great, great, great...", some of his supporters seem to confuse buffoonery with a straight shooter.
Over time America has survived Nixon's Watergate, Reagan's accelerated program of deregulation and three wars begun by the Bushes. But we as a people, the rule of law and our system of government may realistically go to ruinous effects if Trump were elected.
Assuming people are creators of habit. Trump is hard-wired in the pursuit of business transactions and profits, often at the expenses of basic human values such as respect and collaboration. The fact that the GOP is as fractious as it is, with less than 60 days before we vote its fate should be plenty evidence that Trump cannot lead outside of the Trump enterprise.
It's not hard to see that Trump is as ruthless as he is pretentious. When his family introduced themselves earlier this year, his son Eric answered an audience question about his favorite father-son activity growing up by saying that it was golf and work, while Trump said that he had aspired to play baseball. He never shared his favorite pastime with his own son, folks! That's the real All-American family man!
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This is a reading comprehension problem. Trump said he aspired to play baseball. He did not say it was his favorite activity or pastime. Two different things.
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It's certainly the Ms. Shelton's of the world that give one pause. An unregistered voter who's a member of a Teamsters union making $21/hour working at a factory? Maybe the Teamsters should hold members salaries to minimum wage until they evolve a brain...
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We have a lot of serious issues to be addressed in this country and unfortunately, half of the citizenry is saddled with the other half who can't stand Trump, but who can't vote for Hillary Clinton. I liked Bernie Sanders myself and Stein is not winning, but we can't afford a right wing SCOTUS.
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...bankers, software engineers, high paid OSU professors and the list goes on. The very people who have benefited and continue to benefit from globalization; and the very same people the Karl Rove crowd fawn over; the very same people who hold to an ill conceived menagerie of social, economic and largely self serving political views; the very same people who placed working class Americans in the unenviable position of competing head on with some 3 billion unskilled workers; the very same people who tout patriotism and American interventions overseas while relying on poor people to bear the brunt of ill fated foreign adventures; the very same people who turned the American republic into a nation of rich and poor while counting on the 'losers' the loathe to turn the tide in countless elections; the very same people who show little conscience concerning socially conservative Christians who have repeatedly voted against their own economic interest over the past 40 years on the basis of empty promises; the very same people who favored tax cuts for the super rich believing that they may share in the spoils; the very same people who loathe Trump because of their narrowly defined economic interest; the very same people who in conjunction with the very rich have almost singularly written the entire Republican platform since the 1980s election... Most well to Republicans identify with these voters.. but I don't and neither do an increasing number of the people who they've duped.
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This is very encouraging. After we get through these two corporate tools, let's hope there is some real reform in our corrupt process, some more grass roots democracy and/or different parties. Clinton and Trump are both transitional figures. The people know this system is doomed. What Sanders started is just beginning.
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This is just a lazy piece of fluff. Do some real reporting.
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I was boggled by the quotes from the 'republican voters'. If you have been paying any attention to the state of the country and the world the last few years, the only way you will still vote republican is if you are willfully ignorant, gullible, selfish, self-centered, plain greedy and/or a masochist.
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V.M. "the only way you will still vote republican is if you are willfully ignorant, gullible, selfish, self-centered, plain greedy and/or a masochist."
Typical condescending, self-righteous, uninformed garbage. Clinton is a compulsive, calculating liar who is 100% corrupt. Virtually, no honest people would serve in her administration because they know when the going gets tough, she will lie and she will ask them to lie. So, virtually the only people who will serve are rank opportunists with no scruples.
When things do start to go wrong in any area all we will see will be massive cover-ups. Her decision to use a private email server and put the lives of American operatives at risk solely to protect her own career is one of the coldest and callous acts of any public official I have ever seen. Everything is for her and nothing is for the greater good.
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Typical condescending, self-righteous, uninformed garbage. Clinton is a compulsive, calculating liar who is 100% corrupt. Virtually, no honest people would serve in her administration because they know when the going gets tough, she will lie and she will ask them to lie. So, virtually the only people who will serve are rank opportunists with no scruples.
When things do start to go wrong in any area all we will see will be massive cover-ups. Her decision to use a private email server and put the lives of American operatives at risk solely to protect her own career is one of the coldest and callous acts of any public official I have ever seen. Everything is for her and nothing is for the greater good.
JD
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Reading the insults directed toward the Ohioans described in this article illustrates how out of touch The Times' readers are. The more removed they are, the more ignorant everyone else appears to them.
When large groups of Americans, from veterans to those in entire regions of the country, are considered ignorant, maybe, just maybe, it's time to get some of that hubris in check. When everyone else is wrong, it's definitely time for some honest introspection.
When large groups of Americans, from veterans to those in entire regions of the country, are considered ignorant, maybe, just maybe, it's time to get some of that hubris in check. When everyone else is wrong, it's definitely time for some honest introspection.
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Or maybe it's time to build new schools in such remote districts by taxing rich bigots.
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i introspected when bush was elected twice
surely, th result of an educated populace
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Nope AACNY, I'm out here in fly over country. Actually walked on dirt and interacted up close and personal with a cow today. These folks are ignorant.
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Mission accomplished by the Republicans who have been characterizing Hillary Clinton as some kind of space alien for 30 years now (which they of course do to every Democrat Presidential candidate). All these people who can't imagine voting for her (1) don't even know why, and (2) actually think she'd be worse than, get this, Donald Trump!!
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Perhaps I can elucidate you. I can't imagine voting for a person who claims to have made $100,000 in cattle futures out of $1,000 by reading the WSJ (it is IMPOSSIBLE); I can't imagine voting for a person who is a congenital liar; I can't imagine voting for someone who has made the awful Middle East even worse than before she started, a seemingly impossible task. I could go on and on, but this won't be published so what's the use.
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I don't think Democrats have generally been painted as "space aliens" by anyone. After all, both Obama and Hillary's husband, Bill, were elected to two terms (and, incidentally, I think Ohio voted for them all 4 times). Hillary's not a "space alien" either, but she is a cut or two below Barack Obama and Bill Clinton. I know, I know, Trump's no Abraham Lincoln, but that doesn't make Hillary look any better.
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And yet it was published.
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Indeed, having to choose between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump reflects a monumental lowering of expectations, and especially in places where ideological indoctrination appears to triumph over the realities of everyday life. Undoubtedly, there were better candidates whose negatives were not nearly as salient as those of Clinton and Trump. Ohio's own John Kasich and Maryland's former Gov. Martin O'Malley immediately come to mind. Neither of their candidacies caught fire, and they dropped out. That's democracy.
The answer is that you make the best choice you can under the circumstances. Emigrant families trekking west were not on their way to the fabulous city of Oz. No red carpet created impoverished immigrants newly arrived from Europe and elsewhere in the world. The people of Delaware County disdain Hillary Clinton because of her imperious behavior and calculating demeanor. Those are considerations; but when compared with Donald Trump's manifest deficits in character, ethical standards, knowledge of the world, and utter lack of self-control, it's really no contest. Trump's pitch is to gullible people who can't or won't think for themselves.
Likewise, the state of the world is not what we would like it to be. The Middle East is ablaze today largely because a previous American administration was exceedingly careless in its willingness to use military force, and then trying to win on the cheap.
We need to choose wisely because those are our only choices.
The answer is that you make the best choice you can under the circumstances. Emigrant families trekking west were not on their way to the fabulous city of Oz. No red carpet created impoverished immigrants newly arrived from Europe and elsewhere in the world. The people of Delaware County disdain Hillary Clinton because of her imperious behavior and calculating demeanor. Those are considerations; but when compared with Donald Trump's manifest deficits in character, ethical standards, knowledge of the world, and utter lack of self-control, it's really no contest. Trump's pitch is to gullible people who can't or won't think for themselves.
Likewise, the state of the world is not what we would like it to be. The Middle East is ablaze today largely because a previous American administration was exceedingly careless in its willingness to use military force, and then trying to win on the cheap.
We need to choose wisely because those are our only choices.
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"The Middle East is ablaze today largely because a previous American administration was exceedingly careless in its willingness to use military force, and then trying to win on the cheap. "
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ALL BUSH'S FAULT, THE ONE TRUE THING !
I guess US didn't have a president for eight years, gosh
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ALL BUSH'S FAULT, THE ONE TRUE THING !
I guess US didn't have a president for eight years, gosh
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I'm not fond of either of them, but I'll take a Wall Street shill over a bunch of neo-Nazi sociopaths any day.
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"Undecided voters are the biggest idiots on earth" - Brian Griffin
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What baffles me is that I don't think Trump is running for President at all. His whole campaign consists of calibrated increasingly-outrageous and impossible lies and claims -- it's reality show, the game he knows.
Trump is building a replacement "hate-o-tainment" network. Rush and Glenn Beck are fading, Fox has been shot between the eyes by Roger Ailes' sexual harassment and departure.
The slot is ripe for the picking, and Trump is all-in.
Republicans who are sour on this election ... tough patooties. This is your guy, you nominated him. It's only going to get worse, reality TV always does.
This is a "boiling the frog" test for Republicans. Looks like a lot of them think the water's fine....
Trump is building a replacement "hate-o-tainment" network. Rush and Glenn Beck are fading, Fox has been shot between the eyes by Roger Ailes' sexual harassment and departure.
The slot is ripe for the picking, and Trump is all-in.
Republicans who are sour on this election ... tough patooties. This is your guy, you nominated him. It's only going to get worse, reality TV always does.
This is a "boiling the frog" test for Republicans. Looks like a lot of them think the water's fine....
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I live in Powell, have voted for the Republican presidential candidate in every election since 1976, except once. That said, I will not vote for Donald Trump. Period. He is thoroughly unfit to be President of the United States. His beliefs, principals and ideas are unacceptable and, at best, firmly set in applesauce. We do not need a showman president.
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If you won't vote for Trump because you don't respect him, doesn't it follow, logically, that you ought to vote for the other candidate in order to *reduce* the chances that Trump takes the presidency? Why leave your vote uncast?
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Bill Clinton came to Pittsburgh today. He spoke in the Homwood section of the city. The "heart" of the black community. One of America's most troubled neighborhoods. So? Why are there more (new) black faces at Trump rallies in Pittsburgh than the Clinton rallies?
We noticed today and during Hillary's visit last month that the Clinton campaign just gets the same "old tired" black political machine (those required to attend to keep their "Democratic Party" government job).
It appears that Trump's promised for radical change; a different way of thinking; and, a new approach to solving the black community's problems has engaged new black faces ready to take the gamble to shake things up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dieNd5h_qpw
We noticed today and during Hillary's visit last month that the Clinton campaign just gets the same "old tired" black political machine (those required to attend to keep their "Democratic Party" government job).
It appears that Trump's promised for radical change; a different way of thinking; and, a new approach to solving the black community's problems has engaged new black faces ready to take the gamble to shake things up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dieNd5h_qpw
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"Why are there more (new) black faces at Trump rallies in Pittsburgh than the Clinton rallies? "
Why do you make up facts?
Why do you make up facts?
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Trump and his different way of thinking - when is he going to tell us what it is? Let's make America Great again - but he hasn't said a thing about how that would be accomplished. An approach to solving a problem might be a good idea or it might not make sense at all, but just saying you are going to do something without saying how it would be accomplished......???
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...as long as none of those "new black faces" presume to try to live in one of his buildings. Because seriously--you've got to be kidding. Donald Trump?!! The new, confident voice he's giving to the fringe far right (read: white supremacists)? I hate to be the one to break it to you but those people don't really care for the "colored" folk. Donald Trump does not give a damn about the problems in the black community.
Among his many zingers: “Laziness is a trait in blacks.”
That, I'm sad to report, is not a "new way of thinking." It's the way ignorant white racists have felt for years.
Among his many zingers: “Laziness is a trait in blacks.”
That, I'm sad to report, is not a "new way of thinking." It's the way ignorant white racists have felt for years.
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So 1999 was the last time the economy was decent.
A fellow named Clinton was President.
Funny you should mention it.
A fellow named Clinton was President.
Funny you should mention it.
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Yrs that's true. However, what most people don't understand is that the time bomb was ticking.It took a little while for NAFTA to find it's feet.
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The last batch of jobs I saw leave the USA went to India. The entire shared services division of a small ($40B/yr sales) outsourced to India. Had nothing to do with NAFTA, just good old corporate greed.
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Another time bomb was ticking too, and it went off when the Republican president Dubya, the one who "kept us safe", was asleep at the wheel.
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Who said the voters have to be educated and if that education will bring intelligence, I feel that we on the both coast are not part of the US, because in the center is the heart of bigotry and ignorance, with people that can not see beyond their pork belly, and have no idea how to make a choice that is at least good for all, rather they stick to their petty matters.
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Waaall, that's putting it harshly but there's more than an ounce of truth here. Looking at the broader issues seems to be SO difficult for so many people. Stepping back, it's as obvious as the nose on yer face that Trump is a self-serving, lying, bullying joke. Clinton, like all in the political arena, has a record of blemishes some potentially but not provably serious. But Clinton's record of lying and obfuscating is minuscule compared with the Trumpster. It's a citizen's duty to vote. So do it. Look at character, look at experience, look at the global issues and choose the lesser of two evils if that's the way you view it. Hold your nose if you must, but VOTE!
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As a Seattle native, let me assure you that Eastern Washington, Idaho, Central Oregon and many other places have just as many far, far right citizens as any place in center of USA. Columbus, featured in this article, is very progressive and livable, with one of the great universities. Case Western, Kent State, U of Michigan also huge influences in much of the region. It is wildly inflated to over label the region. That is why the state is such a bell weather, " pivot" state in most elections.
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I would guess that every one of the Republicans interviewed for this article, if they were of voting age, voted for George W. Bush twice. That is really all that anyone needs to know. They are hopeless cases.
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Breaking news. Americans are bigger idiots than everyone thought.
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I have wondered how many times someone has to hear - "you have to be really dumb to vote for Trump" - before they stop and take a minute to reflect on whether or not it might be true. Of course I suppose some people never bother to reflect on anything.
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I see a lot more signs for Clinton in my neighborhood in the city (Delaware City). Usually Republican signs blossom along state route 315 into Columbus, but that hasn't happened yet. Our local paper, the Delaware Gazette, publishes lots of letters to the editor from crazies on the right--Delaware has an active John Birch Society. They elected a Republican here in every election but 1912, when Roosevelt and Taft split the Republican vote, and Wilson won the county. Despite the signs, the known crazies here are probably going all out for Trump. It's impossible to get elected unless you have an R behind your name. Our state senator is ridiculous, has no idea about the realities of energy, votes knee-jerk ideology, exceeded perhaps in ridiculousness only by our state representative who called public education socialism--and he chairs the education committee in the Ohio House. I have little hope that rationality will move Delaware County voters to reject another crazy politician who is running for president.
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I wonder if Delaware has changed much since the late 50's when I was a student at Ohio Wesleyan.
Some students regularly raided a farmer's cider stand. One night he shot and killed a student driving away. He was acquitted by a local jury.
Wouldn't it have been better to get the license number and let the sheriff deal with the miscreants?
Some students regularly raided a farmer's cider stand. One night he shot and killed a student driving away. He was acquitted by a local jury.
Wouldn't it have been better to get the license number and let the sheriff deal with the miscreants?
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"I see a lot more signs for Clinton in my neighborhood"
Here in Northern NJ I have not seen a single clinton sign but quite a few for Trump.
Here in Northern NJ I have not seen a single clinton sign but quite a few for Trump.
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Public education is socialism, in which usually the local government owns the means of production. That's what socialism is, and, as applied to education, that's a good thing, and the only system that allows for universal education, another good thing.
The Crooked Clintons are so morally corrupt that they have no shame for their get-rich schemes, nor for Hillary Clinton's negligence and incompetence while Secretary of State. What seems to escape everyone's attention, even her enemies', is that as a Cabinet Member as well as Secretary of State she unwittingly trafficked in the most sensitive e-mails within the government and yet she exposed them for the world to see just to conceal her schemes. She is not fit to be a GS-4 government clerk.
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Thank you, Leo. My sentiments, exactly, although you're nicer than I. She's not fit for ANY government job. The pathetic part is the DNC didn't care, which makes them even worse!
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Your analysis is way over the top, but in any case, that does not mean she doesn't have the qualifications to be President. Trump most certainly does not - when it comes to negatives there are very different levels bad.
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Whatever harm Clinton-haters wish on Hillary Clinton, I wish on them and everybody dear to them.
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The Republic is really at risk.
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Say that twice!
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Well, Anne Merrels - one or the other candidate will be your next President, whether or not you decide whom you are going to vote for. As you said, "I'd like someone to represent the United States who we are proud of, who we are not embarrassed by." Me, too. Now who would that be?
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It's not even close. Trump would be 100X more embarrassing than Clinton. America's version of Berlusconi or worse.
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Yes, one of these two will be president. The Republic will be the worse for it. However neither has earned the vote anyone who seeks a statesperson as head of state. A low, very low, very-very-very low voter participation in the presidential ballot is what both parties deserve. Citizens should go to the polls to select their local candidates. But Trump and Clinton--or the silly, weak third party candiates? Mehh.
Maybe the media will stop the fun Trump circus of daily absurdities, and give some air time to the platforms of the "third party" candidates. Just a dream, but I'm still hoping that the media can serve the public rather than just undermine the candidates and sell newspapers.
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Joe, maybe YOU know what is Aleppo. Gary Johnson clearly does not. He is not ready for prime time.
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Joe, unfortunately, the media is in the pocket of multinationals, the DNC and the RNC and they want Hillary, which is the reason we have Trump as her running mate. They figure this will make people vote for the person who will put the last nail in the coffin for working people. As if her husband hasn't done enough damage.
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I thought more of Johnson before he kissed the rear of the NRA and went on a tear about insurrectionist theories of the 2A ... "What is Aleppo" was the cherry on the ice-cream cone.
I really wish there was a non-nutball Green party. if there was, I vote for them. But Jill Stein sure isn't it.
The fact is that it is Trump v Clinton. I don't think Trump is even running for the Presidency ... but that's another matter.
I blame the Republicans, because if they had given us a reasonably-sane candidate not only would this election not stink worse than a rotting uncovered landfill, there would be a choice and the Republicans would have had a good chance of winning.
This is over. Trump is not going to win, Trump doesn't even really want to win.
The GOP is probably going to lose the Senate, possibly even lose the house -- though I suspect they won't -- just end up with a narrow majority.
Stupidity and decisions made in anger are their own reward.
I really wish there was a non-nutball Green party. if there was, I vote for them. But Jill Stein sure isn't it.
The fact is that it is Trump v Clinton. I don't think Trump is even running for the Presidency ... but that's another matter.
I blame the Republicans, because if they had given us a reasonably-sane candidate not only would this election not stink worse than a rotting uncovered landfill, there would be a choice and the Republicans would have had a good chance of winning.
This is over. Trump is not going to win, Trump doesn't even really want to win.
The GOP is probably going to lose the Senate, possibly even lose the house -- though I suspect they won't -- just end up with a narrow majority.
Stupidity and decisions made in anger are their own reward.
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As a grudging Clinton voter, it's interesting how often both campaigns use a lot of the same arguments to badger/guilt voters. On a daily basis, the Clinton and Trump campaigns/supporters simultaneously assert that:
1. "A vote for a third party is really just a vote for [Trump/Clinton]. Also, not voting at all makes you morally responsible for what [Trump/Clinton] does in office."
2. "The main stream media doesn't pay attention to the faults of [Trump/Clinton], but they are constantly focusing on the faults of [Trump/Clinton]."
3. "That's not what [he/she] meant. [He/she] just misspoke. Repeatedly." **The official stance being that while either candidate may "regret" certain actions/statements, neither has ever lied to or intentionally misled the public at large regarding any matter whatsoever.**
4. "No matter what you may think of [him/her] the important thing is to get a [Republican/Democrat] in the White House and control the Supreme Court nominees."
5. "The American people don't care about [insert ANY ethical issue], okay? Let's talk about policy." **The official posture of both campaigns is that the ethical judgments and past actions of their respective candidates are not relevant. In particular, ethical judgment is not an important factor in the war on terror, campaign finance reform, civil rights or income inequality.**
6. "[He/she] should be ashamed of [himself/herself]."
7. "Voters just need to get to know the 'real' [Trump/Clinton] as a person."
1. "A vote for a third party is really just a vote for [Trump/Clinton]. Also, not voting at all makes you morally responsible for what [Trump/Clinton] does in office."
2. "The main stream media doesn't pay attention to the faults of [Trump/Clinton], but they are constantly focusing on the faults of [Trump/Clinton]."
3. "That's not what [he/she] meant. [He/she] just misspoke. Repeatedly." **The official stance being that while either candidate may "regret" certain actions/statements, neither has ever lied to or intentionally misled the public at large regarding any matter whatsoever.**
4. "No matter what you may think of [him/her] the important thing is to get a [Republican/Democrat] in the White House and control the Supreme Court nominees."
5. "The American people don't care about [insert ANY ethical issue], okay? Let's talk about policy." **The official posture of both campaigns is that the ethical judgments and past actions of their respective candidates are not relevant. In particular, ethical judgment is not an important factor in the war on terror, campaign finance reform, civil rights or income inequality.**
6. "[He/she] should be ashamed of [himself/herself]."
7. "Voters just need to get to know the 'real' [Trump/Clinton] as a person."
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Where you see moral equivalency, I see a false equivalency and straw man arguments. In no way is Clinton "constantly misspeaking" or having to walk back her remarks on a daily basis. Period.
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And you wonder why Americans are so stupid and the rest of the world is laughing at us?! Stop watching Fixed Noise propaganda. This is so easy. Throughout history, the Democrats are thee only ones who stand up for the poor, unions, the sick, the handicapped, the workers, against the selfish greedy unAmerican unpatriotic Republican'ts and corporations. If it wasn't for the Democrats, you wouldn't have Social Security, unions, safe food and air and vehicles, health coverage, public schools, etc. And guess what, let's see how many times that the fascists bigots racists unAmerican unpatriotic Republican'ts and their ilk voted FOR not against these programs and policies and instead for the rich and the corporations?! What kind of things have you been smoking to vote for Republican'ts considering their selfish views and anti American policies?! This is so easy! Why vote and continue to vote against your own interests by voting Republican't?! Republican'ts only care about the rich, themselves, and the corporations. As per actions not words. And forget it if you are a minority. Only to be used and thrown away as per their actions not words. See Flint MI. Democrats care about the other guy. Example; Security and ACA. How many times have the Republican'ts tried to repeal or privatize these and replace with zip?! Stop vote Republican't! Tell all you know to vote ONLY Democrat 2016 and let's all join the civilized world and 21st century 2016!
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Democrats are all about teaching people they are entitled to something and that someone else will pay for what they are owed.
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By "throughout history" I assume you not including any aspect of the Democratic Party prior to 1948 or the past actions of their extremist member spinoff (aka, the "Dixiecrats")?
No love for the present-day GOP, but please... no party has the moral high ground "throughout history." Pick the right decade and you can find either party literally buying and selling my ancestors. Political parties measure the value of minorities (indeed, ALL people) in terms of the power they can gain through their exploitation. If the doing the right thing won't result in a political victory, then the right thing won't be done. Morality doesn't factor in.
No love for the present-day GOP, but please... no party has the moral high ground "throughout history." Pick the right decade and you can find either party literally buying and selling my ancestors. Political parties measure the value of minorities (indeed, ALL people) in terms of the power they can gain through their exploitation. If the doing the right thing won't result in a political victory, then the right thing won't be done. Morality doesn't factor in.
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The problem, jkj, is that Democratic party no longer exist. Hillary is running under the Republican banner and Trump, under the fascist banner, so you see, there IS no Democratic party. That's why I'm voting green party. I refuse to vote for crooks, adroit liers, etc. Too bad, many in this country will hold their noses and do so.
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Or not:
"Hopefully this can be a wake up call to both parties..."
If a voter doesn't like either major-party candidate but votes for one of them anyway, the major-party leaders are likely to offer up the same type of candidate next time. For example, if a former Sanders supporter "holds her nose" and votes for Clinton, party leaders won't know she held her nose as she voted. They'll just assume she liked Clinton, and so they'll look around for another Clinton next time.
"Hopefully this can be a wake up call to both parties..."
If a voter doesn't like either major-party candidate but votes for one of them anyway, the major-party leaders are likely to offer up the same type of candidate next time. For example, if a former Sanders supporter "holds her nose" and votes for Clinton, party leaders won't know she held her nose as she voted. They'll just assume she liked Clinton, and so they'll look around for another Clinton next time.
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"They'll just assume she liked Clinton."
They are smarter than that. They'll see that they got away with it this time, and so do it again.
They are smarter than that. They'll see that they got away with it this time, and so do it again.
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I've heard your point stated a lot over the past 35 or so years. Those people who always vote third party as a protest against the two main parties... are immaterial to the next election cycle. The "same" candidates have been appearing just as always. Ross Perot voters discovered that the election after that, they still faced the same candidates in the major parties.
It's not as if there's an after poll compiled which asks ALL voters why they selected who they ended up marking the ballot for.
It's not as if there's an after poll compiled which asks ALL voters why they selected who they ended up marking the ballot for.
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Reading and listening to a lot of the comments of some people that are voting in the next presidential election, as well as reading some of the polls, it is clear to me that at least some of the candidates-i.e. Trump-count with a number of uneducated people casting their votes in their favor.
It is obvious that many people that are planning to vote do not have enough knowledge to make a well informed choice and discuss intelligently many of the facts that we as a country face now and in the future.
I believe that the candidates talk a lot about many different topics in their agendas. Some of them go over many heads.
Is there a plan to effectively try to increase the level of education and sophistication of all of our citizens so all off our lives and achievements be richer in the future and specifically our votes in the future will be better educated rather that listening to a few sound bites and adds that are spread around the campaigns?
Is anybody working on trying to shorten the electoral process? 2 years of campaigning is definitely too long. I for one am very tired and a bit stressed out and feel that my life has been somewhat hijacked for 2 years. Enough already!
It is obvious that many people that are planning to vote do not have enough knowledge to make a well informed choice and discuss intelligently many of the facts that we as a country face now and in the future.
I believe that the candidates talk a lot about many different topics in their agendas. Some of them go over many heads.
Is there a plan to effectively try to increase the level of education and sophistication of all of our citizens so all off our lives and achievements be richer in the future and specifically our votes in the future will be better educated rather that listening to a few sound bites and adds that are spread around the campaigns?
Is anybody working on trying to shorten the electoral process? 2 years of campaigning is definitely too long. I for one am very tired and a bit stressed out and feel that my life has been somewhat hijacked for 2 years. Enough already!
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It is not a matter of holding your nose to vote for Hillary. She is not the terrible person the right has brainwashed people to think. She has truly done good things for all Americans. Trump has only worked for himself. There is no real rational choice except to vote for Hillary .
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It's so simple, a child could understand it. On one side, you have a bloviating, thin-skinned, narcissistic, bigoted egomaniac and habitual liar, who clearly poses a palpable danger to our liberties, who seems more inclined to align himself with Russia's strongman than with our allies (NATO), and who could imperil the balance of the world. On the other side, you have a woman who, with all her obvious faults, is NOT a bloviating, thin-skinned, narcissistic egomaniac and bigot. In such a contest, discussions of this or that policy seem beside the point.
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To put yourself in these people's shoes, Democrats have to imagine the situation backwards, by that I mean, one:
The Republican candidate is someone reasonably experienced, but whose policies you absolutely dislike, like say, Ted Cruz or Scott Walker, and the platform is very right wing.
And two: the Democratic candidate is racist, inexperienced, seems unstable, and is a big fan of Putin. But, the candidate has the typical progressive platform.
And a whole bunch of Supreme Court nominations are on the horizon.
Who would you vote for?
The Republican candidate is someone reasonably experienced, but whose policies you absolutely dislike, like say, Ted Cruz or Scott Walker, and the platform is very right wing.
And two: the Democratic candidate is racist, inexperienced, seems unstable, and is a big fan of Putin. But, the candidate has the typical progressive platform.
And a whole bunch of Supreme Court nominations are on the horizon.
Who would you vote for?
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Karen, your analogy is wrong. The first part of it is that HRC won the Democratic nomination, not Bernie. HRC is effectively a "Rockefeller Republican."
And the Republicans nominated Trump -- totally unqualified narcissistic dictator-wannabe, who isn't even really running for President.
For a lot of Republicans this is already a no-brainer.
Vote for Johnson ("what is Aleppo?"), Vote for Mickey Mouse. Vote for anybody you want to other than Trump.
And the Republicans nominated Trump -- totally unqualified narcissistic dictator-wannabe, who isn't even really running for President.
For a lot of Republicans this is already a no-brainer.
Vote for Johnson ("what is Aleppo?"), Vote for Mickey Mouse. Vote for anybody you want to other than Trump.
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Mr. Paxton is upset about an excise tax of 40 cents per cigar to fund a children's health insurance program--and that says it all - heaven forbid we should sacrifice anything to help the least powerful among us.
Mr. Johnson like guns, fishing and Nascar - and Hillary Clinton has made it very clear she does not intend to take people's guns away - I don't imagine she wants to stop people from fishing or Nascar either. But if Mr. Johnson wants to continue to fish, maybe voting for the candidate that wants to abolish the EPA doesn't actually make sense.
HIllary Clinton has spent her life trying to make things better. 8 million kids have health insurance because of her efforts. Meanwhile, Donald Trump rips off people with the least money or power - young women on immigration visas, dishwashers and laborers, etc. etc. And once again, the largest issue looming over us all -- climate change -- you know, the Chinese hoax versus Clinton's detailed policy proposals to address it. I wish people would compare actual policies and vote according to the candidate who actually embraces and addresses facts.
Mr. Johnson like guns, fishing and Nascar - and Hillary Clinton has made it very clear she does not intend to take people's guns away - I don't imagine she wants to stop people from fishing or Nascar either. But if Mr. Johnson wants to continue to fish, maybe voting for the candidate that wants to abolish the EPA doesn't actually make sense.
HIllary Clinton has spent her life trying to make things better. 8 million kids have health insurance because of her efforts. Meanwhile, Donald Trump rips off people with the least money or power - young women on immigration visas, dishwashers and laborers, etc. etc. And once again, the largest issue looming over us all -- climate change -- you know, the Chinese hoax versus Clinton's detailed policy proposals to address it. I wish people would compare actual policies and vote according to the candidate who actually embraces and addresses facts.
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HIllary Clinton has spent her life trying to make things better, for herself.
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Does one cancel out the other? What's wrong with making things better for others and for yourself?
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yeah, Billary is tough to swallow- typical Arkansas pols. but we survived slick willie, and we can survive hillary- warts and all. she is experienced, understands politics and need to work across the aisle, tough, and you know basically where she stands- even if that presents some issues. And she is generally respected world wide, as competent and steady.
Trump has no foundation. No record of success, except as a tv showman financed by his daddy. A world embarrassment. No clue what he would do.
Fire all the Generals? Bomb the middle east into smithereens?
Torture people? Take an economy well on the mend from the Second Great Depression, despite GOP "obstruction and NO!",
and start it over? with what?
The major ex-leaders of his Party- and Kasich won't endorse him- or even show at the Ohio convention which nominated him.
Hold your nose and vote for Hillary- a far safer choice.
Trump has no foundation. No record of success, except as a tv showman financed by his daddy. A world embarrassment. No clue what he would do.
Fire all the Generals? Bomb the middle east into smithereens?
Torture people? Take an economy well on the mend from the Second Great Depression, despite GOP "obstruction and NO!",
and start it over? with what?
The major ex-leaders of his Party- and Kasich won't endorse him- or even show at the Ohio convention which nominated him.
Hold your nose and vote for Hillary- a far safer choice.
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As one who has supported Republican candidates in the past, I hope the folks of
Delaware County will come to realize that a Trump presidency would undermine
the prosperity that is apparent in areas south, east, and west of Columbus. I was recently there and saw evidence of solid economic growth around a city
where hard work is valued. not Trumpian smoke and mirror enterprise .The notion that Trump is a true business man is fraudulent on its face. He is nothing but a wannabe Midas whose "golden touch" is pure fakery.
Delaware County will come to realize that a Trump presidency would undermine
the prosperity that is apparent in areas south, east, and west of Columbus. I was recently there and saw evidence of solid economic growth around a city
where hard work is valued. not Trumpian smoke and mirror enterprise .The notion that Trump is a true business man is fraudulent on its face. He is nothing but a wannabe Midas whose "golden touch" is pure fakery.
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Spent my freshman year at Ohio Wesleyan U., where, despite some excellent professors, I met a bunch of Ohio dimwits. They still think that the world is the 1950's.
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If not dying in a war is what decides your vote, this commenter has it backwards:
"Votre Democratic. It will not hurt you but you might die (a war maybe!) if you vote for Trump..."
Clinton's position on several important issues has changed recently -- she's gone from opposing gay marriage to supporting it, from supporting the Keystone pipeline to opposing it, from supporting the TPP trade agreement to opposing it.
But Clinton has been consistent on one issue: war. She voted for the Iraq war. She pressed Obama to intervene in Libya even more than he did. She's pushed for a no-fly zone in Syria, which could lead to a nuclear war with Russia if Russia declines to honor that no-fly zone and the US enforces it by shooting down Russian planes. She's pressed for US intervention in the Ukraine.
In short, Clinton has never met a foreign war she didn't like. Her basic approach is "Shoot first, ask questions later." So, if avoiding dying in a war is what decides your vote, you shouldn't vote for Clinton. You'll be MORE likely to die in a war if she is elected.
"Votre Democratic. It will not hurt you but you might die (a war maybe!) if you vote for Trump..."
Clinton's position on several important issues has changed recently -- she's gone from opposing gay marriage to supporting it, from supporting the Keystone pipeline to opposing it, from supporting the TPP trade agreement to opposing it.
But Clinton has been consistent on one issue: war. She voted for the Iraq war. She pressed Obama to intervene in Libya even more than he did. She's pushed for a no-fly zone in Syria, which could lead to a nuclear war with Russia if Russia declines to honor that no-fly zone and the US enforces it by shooting down Russian planes. She's pressed for US intervention in the Ukraine.
In short, Clinton has never met a foreign war she didn't like. Her basic approach is "Shoot first, ask questions later." So, if avoiding dying in a war is what decides your vote, you shouldn't vote for Clinton. You'll be MORE likely to die in a war if she is elected.
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Hillary simply thinks war is a business.
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NM says, "“Listen, I’m a 45-year-old small-business owner in Delaware, Ohio, and I like guns, fishing and Nascar,” he said." He forgot to mention that he's a man's man who loves those arm candy Nascar female groupies. Those BIG engines get his heart pumping and, of course, there has to be a woman handy afterwards to help him blow off steam. Maybe he sponsors a car and gets to write off the expense on his taxes.
Of course no man who thinks like that will vote for OUR next President - Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton. She is much too much of a courageous and smart woman for them. Fortunately men who think like that are in the minority.
Of course no man who thinks like that will vote for OUR next President - Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton. She is much too much of a courageous and smart woman for them. Fortunately men who think like that are in the minority.
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My goodness, you sure know a lot about NM! Do you know him? How did you learn all that stuff about him?
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nglea must be either a member of the burgeoning NASCAR community in Seattle, or a sociologist who has done extensive field research on NASCAR fans
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I know men like him, MyThreeCents, and if you do you know I"m right. That's why they love The Don.
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We read (and hear) all the time that both candidates are hated, disliked, flawed, etc. but this is never interrogated and to why voters feel that way. I do not accept that the traits that make Hillary Clinton such a 'flawed' candidate would be even remotely comparable to Donald Trump's. I, for one, want to hear from a broader view than the two or three people usually quoted in an article.
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Great point... We can now call that Matt Lauer journalism.
The last decade and half of Big money and political power punishing intelligent journalism had successfully led to a generation of journalists trained to go for emotions at all costs over critical thinking, questioning, and analysis. I think of Dan Rather's CBS firing for the indiscretion of reporting on GW Bush's failure to meet his national Guard obligations. And it wasn't even a new story at the time rather revisited it! This week NBC made an obvious pandering choice to use Lauer to increase ratings, not caring at all about integrity of the process.
Bottom line is that opinion now counts for fact, and everyone's opinion has equal value. That sells!
The last decade and half of Big money and political power punishing intelligent journalism had successfully led to a generation of journalists trained to go for emotions at all costs over critical thinking, questioning, and analysis. I think of Dan Rather's CBS firing for the indiscretion of reporting on GW Bush's failure to meet his national Guard obligations. And it wasn't even a new story at the time rather revisited it! This week NBC made an obvious pandering choice to use Lauer to increase ratings, not caring at all about integrity of the process.
Bottom line is that opinion now counts for fact, and everyone's opinion has equal value. That sells!
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Not quite, but close:
"Besides Columbus, the only blue counties you'll find is up in Cleveland."
I grew up in Ohio. It's mixed. As is true in many states, the Democrats do best with minorities (in Ohio, mostly blacks) and with liberal educated suburbanites. Republicans do better with the other groups. There are exceptions, of course, but that's pretty much how it is in Ohio.
"Besides Columbus, the only blue counties you'll find is up in Cleveland."
I grew up in Ohio. It's mixed. As is true in many states, the Democrats do best with minorities (in Ohio, mostly blacks) and with liberal educated suburbanites. Republicans do better with the other groups. There are exceptions, of course, but that's pretty much how it is in Ohio.
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Toledo has been represented by Marcy Kaptur for decades. She's a Democrat and it's a union town.
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Kathyinct,
Thanks. Several big Ohio cities have Democratic mayors and Congress people. Been that way for decades, though Ohio's big cities are getting smaller and smaller. In the 1950 census, Ohio had the most cities (8) of any state with 100,000 population; they've all shrunk to about half (except Columbus, which has grown steadily).
Thanks. Several big Ohio cities have Democratic mayors and Congress people. Been that way for decades, though Ohio's big cities are getting smaller and smaller. In the 1950 census, Ohio had the most cities (8) of any state with 100,000 population; they've all shrunk to about half (except Columbus, which has grown steadily).
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It is mixed, but it's not as simple as you make it out to be. I know many working class white people who vote Democrat - they tend to come from labor-union families. I also know countless educated conservative suburbanites, who fall into four major categories - religious evangelical conservatives, one-issue pro-lifers, military conservatives, and "cheapskate" conservatives who will support anything if it lowers their tax bill (and then get furious when their city services are cut and they have to pay for their kids afterschool activities.)
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For all the hand-wringing and angst, this comes down to doing the right thing. This means acting in good faith and conscience. Decide first to do that, then go where it leads you.
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Hopefully this can be a wake up call to both parties that their primary systems and the candidates they promote simply aren't cutting it.
...or we could continue to blame third parties and people unwilling to vote against their principles. That worked really well after 2000, right?
...or we could continue to blame third parties and people unwilling to vote against their principles. That worked really well after 2000, right?
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Bunch of greedy Republicans who will pull the lever for Trump on November 8 and not give it a second thought, phony teeth-gnashing notwithstanding.
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How can these people think they even deserve to vote after putting GWB into office twice and voting against Obama twice in spite of GWB's evidence of how damaging the GOP is for the nation and the world?
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Yes, of course. Only liberal democrats "deserve to vote." As long as they vote the way APS wants them to vote.
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Obama won Ohio in both 2008 and 2012.
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Typical - a long "fair and balanced" piece about how neither of the two candidates is palatable, with a single sentence buried toward the bottom that voters actually do have another choice. Of course, the NYT subscribes to the conventional wisdom that you have to vote for someone you dislike the least or your vote is "wasted" - a completely twisted interpretation of democracy.
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Would residents of Delaware County prefer Tim Kaine over Hillary Clinton? If she withdraws, would Kaine automatically become the nominee, or would the Democratic Party have to re-convene and pick someone?
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The thing that bothers me the most about this general election is that both major parties managed to nominate thoroughly hated candidates, which means that whoever wins, We The People lose. And it didn't have to happen this way.
It's not hard to see why, either: Both major parties are more focused on fundraising and destroying the other major party than they are with governing the country. The pitch both major party candidates are making is now "vote for me, because the other one is worse." That's it. No vision, no inspiration, no explanation of why we should care, no real reason to hope for the future.
Don't blame me, I voted for Bernie.
It's not hard to see why, either: Both major parties are more focused on fundraising and destroying the other major party than they are with governing the country. The pitch both major party candidates are making is now "vote for me, because the other one is worse." That's it. No vision, no inspiration, no explanation of why we should care, no real reason to hope for the future.
Don't blame me, I voted for Bernie.
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Actual voters -- not apparatchiks -- did choose the nominees. Clinton won decisively and Trump outlasted a large field despite the best efforts of the party establishment. Is it all that surprising that Democrats would turn to a technocrat and Republicans to a demagogue?
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Only a few of you hate Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton but you're a noisy bunch.
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it's about half the US population
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Votre Democratic. It will not hurt you but you might die (a war maybe!) if you vote for Trump, the grifter.
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Time to join the 21st Century, Delaware, Ohio! For the times they are a changing'....
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What a group, either too dim to vote for their best interests or too greedy to imagine the social bond of the nation. There's the problem with the US today.
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Perfectly said... Thanks.
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Talk about cognitive dissonance! Delaware County voters helped install Republican GW Bush in 2000 and reelected him in 2004. He and his Wall Street friends then crashed the economy and drove the national budget into massive deficits with tax cuts for the rich and profligate spending on a phony war. What's not to love about that?
And then in 2008, with the economy in shambles, they turn around and vote for another Republican. And in 2012, with the economy gradually healing, adding jobs faster than any Republican administration ever has, they again vote Republican, somehow turning facts on their heads and believing the economy was tanking. They can look at a 3.4% unemployment rate and their high incomes and still think a Democrat could not have anything to do with that.
But if the economy had tanked even further under Obama, whose fault would that have been? Well, Obama's of course.
Rational political thought simply has no place in the brains of these people. There's a simple explanation why such affluent and well-educated voters would even consider Trump: they are ruled not by reason but by their bias and bigotry. They're the kind of people who, if they decided to believe that the world was flat, could be taken up into space and flown around the planet and still maintain it was flat.
And then in 2008, with the economy in shambles, they turn around and vote for another Republican. And in 2012, with the economy gradually healing, adding jobs faster than any Republican administration ever has, they again vote Republican, somehow turning facts on their heads and believing the economy was tanking. They can look at a 3.4% unemployment rate and their high incomes and still think a Democrat could not have anything to do with that.
But if the economy had tanked even further under Obama, whose fault would that have been? Well, Obama's of course.
Rational political thought simply has no place in the brains of these people. There's a simple explanation why such affluent and well-educated voters would even consider Trump: they are ruled not by reason but by their bias and bigotry. They're the kind of people who, if they decided to believe that the world was flat, could be taken up into space and flown around the planet and still maintain it was flat.
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They will give credit to the GOP for blocking President Obama's initiatives and for having Kasich as governor.
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" There's a simple explanation why such affluent and well-educated voters would even consider Trump: they are ruled not by reason but by their bias and bigotry. " Whenever we are presented with a 'simple' answer to a complex, multi-faceted issue, you can be sure that the cherry picked reason given shows the writers innate bias. Either through intellectual laziness or dishonesty, so many hard core supporters on both sides have dismissed any discussion, debate or reasoning about objections from the other side to their candidate. Were these hard core loyalists of either Trump or Hillary to honestly examine the multitude of objections to either candidate becoming president, many would discover they too, like many people of Delaware County, could stomach neither candidate.
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I live a few miles from Delaware, in Columbus Ohio and I see far more Hillary signs than Trump signs. Franklin county, home to Columbus has been voting Democratic since the 90's, but we are surrounded by a sea of red, both rural NASCAR voters and McMansion republicans. Delaware is no different from most of the rest of the state. Besides Columbus, the only blue counties you'll find is up in Cleveland. How all these people can justify voting for Trump is beyond me.
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The article says, "the Trump campaign also has rented a storefront, but there is just a cardboard cutout of the candidate in the window." How appropriate for The Don - the pretender.
Ohio wants Mr. supposed christian John Kaisch - who wants to pass laws to strictly curtail what women can do with their own bodies and lives. Since Ohio is growing so quickly one can assume new people are moving into the area. Any woman with an ounce of intelligence and pride will vote for OUR next President - Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton - and support she and other women in power.
They can vote for her and still refuse to use family planning, contraception, and abortion and they can stay home and be housewives and mothers and bake cookies if they want. They just can't tell other women what THEY can do with their bodies and lives.
Ohio wants Mr. supposed christian John Kaisch - who wants to pass laws to strictly curtail what women can do with their own bodies and lives. Since Ohio is growing so quickly one can assume new people are moving into the area. Any woman with an ounce of intelligence and pride will vote for OUR next President - Ms. Hillary Rodham Clinton - and support she and other women in power.
They can vote for her and still refuse to use family planning, contraception, and abortion and they can stay home and be housewives and mothers and bake cookies if they want. They just can't tell other women what THEY can do with their bodies and lives.
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njglea:
"Mr. supposed christian John Kaisch"?
In all my interactions with and in reading about Gov. Kasich, there has never been any doubt in my mind that he is a real Christian. I can only imagine how a "real Christian" is defined in your mind.
"Mr. supposed christian John Kaisch"?
In all my interactions with and in reading about Gov. Kasich, there has never been any doubt in my mind that he is a real Christian. I can only imagine how a "real Christian" is defined in your mind.
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My idea of a christian person, AACNY, is one who lives by the Golden Rule, "Do unto others as you would have others do unto you." That does not apply to anyone who tries to force their religious beliefs on the rest of us as Mr. Kasich does.
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I'm sorry, this headline is just incorrect. There is certainly an easy, sane, and logical choice. It's Hillary Clinton. You may not like her, and you may have doubts about some of her choices, but the distance between concerns about her potential presidency and that of her opponent makes the Grand Canyon look as wide as dental floss.
And sitting this one out or throwing away a vote on Johnson or Stein is a vote against sanity and our future.
And sitting this one out or throwing away a vote on Johnson or Stein is a vote against sanity and our future.
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Agree...liking a candidate isn't even in the top 5 of my criteria for who will get my vote. Are they experienced, have the right temperament and are they competent would certainly come before do I like them.
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Agreed, Hillary Clinton is the strong, full throated Republican they are looking for.
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rjs7777, have you been in a time warp? If it were 1960, I might agree with you. But Clinton is a thousand miles leftward of today's Republican Party. Times change. Parties change. Your claim is as disingenuous as Republicans pretending they are still "the party of Lincoln" from 1865, instead of the George Wallace segregationists who co-opted their party a century later.
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"She ... was concerned that voting for a third-party candidate would amount to the same thing [as not voting for Clinton]. "
This is just arithmetic. If a voter just can't vote for Clinton, there are two basic alternatives, and the consequence of each are much different:
1. Vote for Trump.
2. Vote for someone else – a third-party candidate or a write-in -- or don't vote for anyone at all. (There will be plenty of other things on the ballot to vote for.)
#1 -- a vote for Trump – would add 1 to his total. #2 would not. It's that simple.
This is just arithmetic. If a voter just can't vote for Clinton, there are two basic alternatives, and the consequence of each are much different:
1. Vote for Trump.
2. Vote for someone else – a third-party candidate or a write-in -- or don't vote for anyone at all. (There will be plenty of other things on the ballot to vote for.)
#1 -- a vote for Trump – would add 1 to his total. #2 would not. It's that simple.
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But #3 -- a vote for Clinton -- would cancel out a vote for Trump.
Option #2 would not.
It's that simple. Either Trump or Clinton will be President. If you truly want to reduce the chance of a President Trump, you have to vote for Clinton. This is not a beauty contest. It determines who will govern the nation.
Option #2 would not.
It's that simple. Either Trump or Clinton will be President. If you truly want to reduce the chance of a President Trump, you have to vote for Clinton. This is not a beauty contest. It determines who will govern the nation.
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If you are anti-Trump but refuse to vote for Hillary Clinton because you're a Republican and Trump wins then you're going to be saddled with at least indirect responsibility for his election. Ask yourself: is refusing to vote against someone you are truly against worth it? Because voting third party or refusing to vote is a vote for Trump.
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“Listen, I’m a 45-year-old small-business owner in Delaware, Ohio, and I like guns, fishing and Nascar,” he said.
Small-business owners would do better with Democratic economic policies, since Republicans' favor big business. In the case of Trump, it is 'the little guys' whom he has personally stiffed.
Hillary Clinton is not coming for anyone's guns, no matter what the NRA and its supporters warn. She wants sane regulations for new buyers and purchases.
Fishing and Nascar can continue in any stable country, which we will have under Mrs. Clinton and which we would gamble under Trump.
Small-business owners would do better with Democratic economic policies, since Republicans' favor big business. In the case of Trump, it is 'the little guys' whom he has personally stiffed.
Hillary Clinton is not coming for anyone's guns, no matter what the NRA and its supporters warn. She wants sane regulations for new buyers and purchases.
Fishing and Nascar can continue in any stable country, which we will have under Mrs. Clinton and which we would gamble under Trump.
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"Small business owners would do better with Democratic economic policies..."
Shockingly out of touch comment. Go ask a few small business owners what they think of Dem policies re minimum wage increase, TPP, etc.
Shockingly out of touch comment. Go ask a few small business owners what they think of Dem policies re minimum wage increase, TPP, etc.
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I couldn't have had a small business without the health insurance exchange in my state. Thank you, Obama, for the ACA, which enabled me to do something I really love AND keep my eyesight.
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I am a small business owner and am frightened by the thought of Republicans crashing the economy again. I do better when the Mitt Romney's abdDonald Trump's are taxed at a higher rate and not allowed to park their money off shore. I do better if the residents of the city I live in have more money to spend, even if it means I have to pay a little more to my employees.
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What really is there not to like about a woman that dedicated her whole life to civic causes and social welfare? You must buy into unsubstantiated innuendos to find fault; scan a life time of service and find inconsequential errors. She is not an ideolog, though I wish she had some distance to die-hard political machinists. Hillary Clinton is not a good candidate, she is a great candidate!
Now, maybe after this election we will end with a third major Party. Maybe there will be more appreciation of leadership and statesmanship, less affiliation with entranced ideologies and party positions. That would be a great evolution.
Now, maybe after this election we will end with a third major Party. Maybe there will be more appreciation of leadership and statesmanship, less affiliation with entranced ideologies and party positions. That would be a great evolution.
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When it comes to issues, there is a huge difference between Clinton and Trump. Yet so many voters can't seem to figure it out. They prefer to whine about not "liking" the candidates. This isn't the Bachelor. The problem isn't the candidates. It's the voters.
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Many voters want something else, other than what is/has been offered as a 'whine' or choice. And once in the voting booth there will be 5 choices one can make.
I wonder why they cannot choose between barbarism on the one hand and at the worst the ordinary forms of US political corruption. Mind you, I don't think HRC falls quite to that level, but even at her worse, we must ask if barbarism is a better choice, It is not. Remember the Washington Post editorial condemning the GOP nominee or the Dallas Morning News, certainly a Republican paper, doing the same. There is no choice for people of conscience despite attempts to frame this terrible election as a choice of two evils. Try to remember the worst in post-war US history and then recall the worst in Europe or the present in Turkey, Hungary, and Russia. Remember even the authoritarian nationalist regimes against which the US fought starting in 1941 and how the US soldiers died to eliminate such scourges from our world. Hard choice?
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So, wandering into Ohio to poll a "few dozen" voters.
Candidate 1. Mr Trump was born a millionaire. His father gave him a million dollars to start his business, but also co-signed every business deal for Duck Duck Donald, right up to and including Trump Tower. Then Donald inherited 150 to 230 million dollars. Yet he had to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy 4 times, and still refused to pay for work already done by carpenters, dishwashers, plumbers, to the tune of 100 million at the Taj Casino alone. With failing businesses, he managed to pay himself millions while they went underwater. He got 4 deferments in the Vietnam era, and then claimed he had "heel spurs" to avoid the draft. (He walks fine). He has no interest in history, foreign policy, nuclear strategy, does not understand complex issues, shows misogyny, bigotry, daily fundamental gaps in his education, "lets seize the oil fields". "Why can't we bomb them with nuclear weapons?
Candidate 2. She tried to get us affordable healthcare a few decades ago, and then, when she couldn't, she made sure 8 million kids got covered. People on the other side of the aisle, including Henry Kissinger, said she ran the Secretary of State office "better than anyone he had ever seen.
Could it be that the Fox News and Hate radio from the right has maligned one of these candidates?, made them appear equally bad? I wonder. Hmmm, its a mystery.
Candidate 1. Mr Trump was born a millionaire. His father gave him a million dollars to start his business, but also co-signed every business deal for Duck Duck Donald, right up to and including Trump Tower. Then Donald inherited 150 to 230 million dollars. Yet he had to file for Chapter 11 bankruptcy 4 times, and still refused to pay for work already done by carpenters, dishwashers, plumbers, to the tune of 100 million at the Taj Casino alone. With failing businesses, he managed to pay himself millions while they went underwater. He got 4 deferments in the Vietnam era, and then claimed he had "heel spurs" to avoid the draft. (He walks fine). He has no interest in history, foreign policy, nuclear strategy, does not understand complex issues, shows misogyny, bigotry, daily fundamental gaps in his education, "lets seize the oil fields". "Why can't we bomb them with nuclear weapons?
Candidate 2. She tried to get us affordable healthcare a few decades ago, and then, when she couldn't, she made sure 8 million kids got covered. People on the other side of the aisle, including Henry Kissinger, said she ran the Secretary of State office "better than anyone he had ever seen.
Could it be that the Fox News and Hate radio from the right has maligned one of these candidates?, made them appear equally bad? I wonder. Hmmm, its a mystery.
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One should be very cautious aligning candidate #2 with Henry Kissinger. The warmonger misgivings about candidate #2 are increased 1000 times tying herself to the likes of Kissinger
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If you don't vote, don't complain when things don't work out the way you want them to. Not voting is the same as voting for whoever wins. The other thing to remember is that we don't have to love either candidate. We need to be convinced that one of them can do the job and also represent us creditably to other countries.
In my opinion Clinton has the experience. Trump does not. She has been a senator and Secretary of State. That experience will serve her well if she wins. Trump has no experience and shows an amazing lack of curiosity coupled with a ton of arrogance and bigotry. But that's my opinion based upon what I've seen. Whether we agree or not it's still important to vote.
In my opinion Clinton has the experience. Trump does not. She has been a senator and Secretary of State. That experience will serve her well if she wins. Trump has no experience and shows an amazing lack of curiosity coupled with a ton of arrogance and bigotry. But that's my opinion based upon what I've seen. Whether we agree or not it's still important to vote.
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I just heard part of his speech yesterday where he pledged to "repeal" the Johnson Amendment if elected. Maybe he should learn how government works before asking to be allowed to run it.
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Wish we could have a do-over. Surely, both parties could do better.
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That's a cop out. One party already "did better," and it ain't the Republican Party.
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The election season is plenty long - accept the results.
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Yikes - the Wall Street party? Not impressed with either candidate. I have the right to my opinion.
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As a recent graduate of Ohio Wesleyan University, and a former student of Ms. Holland, I can say with near certainty that Clinton won't come close to carrying Delaware County. Despite the rich Columbus commuters that live in the Southern part of the county, the rest of it is still very rural and lower-class (and extremely conservative) and they still greatly outnumber the commuters. They may not like Trump, but they are right in his demographic.
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Median income 91,000$ ?
Let's be perfectly honest. An unhinged Trump would be a HUGE threat to the economy. If these folks want to keep their prosperity then Clinton is the only real choice. Drone on about how much you dislike her, but at least she isn't a potential total disaster for the country.
Let's be perfectly honest. An unhinged Trump would be a HUGE threat to the economy. If these folks want to keep their prosperity then Clinton is the only real choice. Drone on about how much you dislike her, but at least she isn't a potential total disaster for the country.
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Voting for President is about voting for a vision even more than voting for policies. Presidents Kennedy and Reagan epitomize that reality. Though totally dystopian and largely predicated on lies, Trump does proffer a vision. Clinton, on the other hand, offers policies. Voters, especially those not already committed, will vote their gut more than they will vote an analytic evaluation of this policy and that.
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Tough to generalize about voters. There are lots of us pragmatic people out there too. If I want "vision," I'd ingest some peyote or read philosophers. If I want good government, I look for the candidate who best matches my policy direction AND is the best shot to win a general election, because losers have NO power for change. It usually puts my choice closer to center than I am, but I don't pretend that the edges of the political bell curve can attract a majority of the U.S. electorate.
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IMHO Hillary is a marvel. She's traveled the hard road of service for decades. She's been subjected to a torrent of lies and innuendos where no proof was ever found, She made mistakes? Of course... isn't t hat the definition of being human? Show me someone who never made a mistake and I'll show you someone who never did anything worthwhile.
I learned my politics elsewhere. I studied leaders in Ireland, England, France, Germany, Sweden, and America. HRC is up there with the best of them. The first amendment allows all kinds of infantile misogynists and GOP trolls to spew hatred, but she's way out of their league.
The bewilderment of many voters is a rebuke to the leaders of Congress and to the supporters of the concept of America because they took so much for granted. Imagine voters so bewildered that they flock to Trump! Money in politics and the gross commercialism of every aspect of American life are responsible for the rot of America.
I learned my politics elsewhere. I studied leaders in Ireland, England, France, Germany, Sweden, and America. HRC is up there with the best of them. The first amendment allows all kinds of infantile misogynists and GOP trolls to spew hatred, but she's way out of their league.
The bewilderment of many voters is a rebuke to the leaders of Congress and to the supporters of the concept of America because they took so much for granted. Imagine voters so bewildered that they flock to Trump! Money in politics and the gross commercialism of every aspect of American life are responsible for the rot of America.
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Many people in both red and blue counties across the nation find Clinton and Trump hard to stomach.
But what I find hilarious is that the NY Times is running banner ads touting Wells Fargo, which was just hit with massive fine for a massive fraud run by its employees.
I haven't heard if anyone will be indicted in the Wells Fargo fraud case.
But what I find hilarious is that the NY Times is running banner ads touting Wells Fargo, which was just hit with massive fine for a massive fraud run by its employees.
I haven't heard if anyone will be indicted in the Wells Fargo fraud case.
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Wells Fargo bought the ad which was, in weak part, an apology to its clients for its current disaster. If the Times turned down every ad based on its--or our--personal judgment of the advertiser, it would go out of business. The Times also ran an ad this week for Trump. Its signatories were a lot of retired defense officials who have signed onto Trump's great vision for our future.
Accepting advertising no more binds the Times to the advertiser's policies than defending clients binds lawyers to the clients' characters.
Accepting advertising no more binds the Times to the advertiser's policies than defending clients binds lawyers to the clients' characters.
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@Jon: Nah, the NY Times didn't specifically run the banner ads for Wells Fargo. That's so "old school" and is rarely done these days by major web sites like the NY Times. The NY Times is likely using a syndication service that serves up ads based on a number of things, including the browsing history and cookies stored on your web browser.
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Just demonstrates what a huge waste of time it is for Clinton to appeal to "reasonable" Republicans. There are none. Like 99% of GOP politicians, most GOP voters could not care less about the future, or nature, of this nation.
Trump is not some new aberration, some mistake. He's the logical, sickening conclusion of the GOP game plan.
Trump is not some new aberration, some mistake. He's the logical, sickening conclusion of the GOP game plan.
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Possibly the worst consequence of the two major parties foisting these two wretched candidates on us is the fact that, no matter who wins, the next four years are going to be an incredible ordeal. No one -- except the most naive -- has any confidence in Mrs. Clinton's capacity for old-fashioned, straightforward truthfulness. And no one -- except a benighted fool -- can take Mr. Trump even-remotely seriously.
One year ago, where were the courageous Democrats willing to stand up and shout from the rooftops -- "more Clintonism?...no, thank you!!" Where were the Republicans with the guts to defy their "base" and cry "Trump?...you've gotta be kidding!!"
One year ago, where were the courageous Democrats willing to stand up and shout from the rooftops -- "more Clintonism?...no, thank you!!" Where were the Republicans with the guts to defy their "base" and cry "Trump?...you've gotta be kidding!!"
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Woody Porter, these are the choices we have now. So which wretched candidate do you prefer? And if you think that Clinton lies look at the GOP for comparisons. She's a fount of information compared to them. And no politician tells the whole truth. Do you always tell the truth about everything?
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The courageous Democrats were shouting from the rooftops "I'm with her."
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What's the matter with Kansas?
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I know.
This article was worthwhile for the stark reality on the ground that it portrays.
This article was worthwhile for the stark reality on the ground that it portrays.
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Hillary has been vilified, unjustifiably, for the last 30 yrs. There are several things I disagree with about her public life, chiefly, voting for the Iraq war. But she is exceedingly intelligent, capable, experienced and honest. Yes, honest. Check it out on one of the fact checking organizations. The largely radical right and their cohorts have slung mud for the last 30 yrs at her and some has stuck. I live in the next county south from Delaware County. People have got a little money, moved north to Delaware and become Republican. If people were informed about these candidates, they would vote Hillary. Trump is unable to tell the truth, will not show his taxes. He insults us all. Amen.
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These people have not gotten into politics enough. They are looking for a pure candidate. There are no pure candidates, just as there are no pure people. They need to learn to learn to think in relative terms -- who is better than whom? We don't get perfect candidates, but we still need a president. So now you have 4 choices. All somewhat flawed. And you must have a leader. If you don't vote for one, others will. So why not get out of your ivory tower and pick the candidate you think is best? It is just a mental block.
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These voters can hand-wring all they want, but Clinton is the only good choice. The false equivalences that articles like this promote are disgusting.
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Wow, the person who voted for every Republican since 1996 - scary thought. Dole was at least an honorable man. But Bush? Then Bush AGAIN? Then rewarding 8 years of GOP catastrophes with a vote for McCain? Romney I can understand.
Trump? Not possible to understand a vote for him.
Trump? Not possible to understand a vote for him.
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What exactly is so unpalatable about Mrs. Clinton?
Before you answer, facts please.
Exactly.
Before you answer, facts please.
Exactly.
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OK.
Self-dealing -- her goofy husband's billing rate DOUBLED when she became Secretary of State, which stinks to high heaven.
Anti-FOIA -- clearly broke the law, with the private computer server. More Nixonian than Nixon. Why no special prosecutor? Maybe next year?
Self-dealing -- her goofy husband's billing rate DOUBLED when she became Secretary of State, which stinks to high heaven.
Anti-FOIA -- clearly broke the law, with the private computer server. More Nixonian than Nixon. Why no special prosecutor? Maybe next year?
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Gwe speaks my mind.
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So Bill Clinton's rates doubled. I see no problem there. Are you saying that you dislike the free-market that allowed him to do that? Booking Bill Clinton is also entirely up to you, as in optional, not mandatory, as in you have a choice to not HAVE to book him. Are you against freedom of choice? What exactly are you trying to say with this?
Regarding Clinton's private email server, perhaps you would like to go after Colin Powell who also used private email to conduct US Government business. In fact he even advised Mrs. Clinton to do that. I don't see Republican's clamoring for General Powell's prosecution. Perhaps a double standard is being applied?
Regarding Clinton's private email server, perhaps you would like to go after Colin Powell who also used private email to conduct US Government business. In fact he even advised Mrs. Clinton to do that. I don't see Republican's clamoring for General Powell's prosecution. Perhaps a double standard is being applied?
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Hey, Ohio, Hillary Clinton's 2007 - 2014 tax returns showed that she and her husband Bill earned $139 million since 2007 and paid nearly $44 million in federal taxes during that period.
The couple's effective federal tax rate ranged from 25% in 2007 to 36% in 2014.
Donald Trump reportedly makes much more than the Clintons BUT Trump pays zero income taxes and would like to run the country he's been ripping off for decades with his special brand of Trump Snake Oil.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/12/business/how-much-does-donald-trump-pa...
There are many more profound differences between the two candidates if you care to take a little time and effort to study them.
For example, Donald Trump loves Vladimir Putin and thinks he's a really cool dictator; Hillary Clinton does not.
Donald Trump is the ultimate American Rip-Off coming for your vote.
Don't give your vote to a demonstrated shyster.
The couple's effective federal tax rate ranged from 25% in 2007 to 36% in 2014.
Donald Trump reportedly makes much more than the Clintons BUT Trump pays zero income taxes and would like to run the country he's been ripping off for decades with his special brand of Trump Snake Oil.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/12/business/how-much-does-donald-trump-pa...
There are many more profound differences between the two candidates if you care to take a little time and effort to study them.
For example, Donald Trump loves Vladimir Putin and thinks he's a really cool dictator; Hillary Clinton does not.
Donald Trump is the ultimate American Rip-Off coming for your vote.
Don't give your vote to a demonstrated shyster.
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" .. Hey, Ohio, Hillary Clinton's 2007 - 2014 tax returns showed that she and her husband Bill earned $139 million since 2007 .."
Giving speeches to Arab oil emperors is "earned" work? While she's Secretary of State?
More like, it stinks to high heaven, self-dealing at its worst. Even Nixon would be embarrassed.
Giving speeches to Arab oil emperors is "earned" work? While she's Secretary of State?
More like, it stinks to high heaven, self-dealing at its worst. Even Nixon would be embarrassed.
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Urko, Hillary Clinton gave no paid speeches when she was Secretary of State. Who told you she did?
Nixon was well-paid for speeches he gave after he was president. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Nixon was well-paid for speeches he gave after he was president. Sorry to burst your bubble.
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Hillary was Secretary of State from 2009 through 2012. In 2013 and 2014, it was widely known that she was running for President, and she most certainly did give paid speeches. The years 2007-2014 include 2013 and 2014. The reason she held off on declaring officially that she was running for President is that she was paying her campaign staff out of the "donations", tax deductible, that had been made to the Clinton Foundation.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Hillary is far worse than Nixon He never sold out the country in exchange for payments made to Pat.
While Hillary was SOS, Bill was being paid $30 million per year to give speeches and to consult. Essentially all of their charitable contributions since 2001 have gone to the Clinton Foundation to fund Hillary's political career.
Sorry to burst your bubble, but Hillary is far worse than Nixon He never sold out the country in exchange for payments made to Pat.
While Hillary was SOS, Bill was being paid $30 million per year to give speeches and to consult. Essentially all of their charitable contributions since 2001 have gone to the Clinton Foundation to fund Hillary's political career.
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Vote for Johnson. Or write in a name. None of the above.
IT'S YOUR VOTE.
Don't let anyone tell you a vote for someone else is a wasted vote. NO vote is wasted, this is the United States of America. That's how democracy works.
IT'S YOUR VOTE.
Don't let anyone tell you a vote for someone else is a wasted vote. NO vote is wasted, this is the United States of America. That's how democracy works.
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Aleppo Johnson? You're kidding?
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Well until Aleppo
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I don't think democracy is working... at least not for 99 percent. And I have voted in every single general election since I turned 21.
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What really needs to happen in America is we need to take back our country from the corporations and put it back in the hands of the workers. What we have done in this country is sold out to Corporate America and we have let our govt officials go along with it without a whimper. Nothing will change in America as long as the lobbyists are in control of the two parties.
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So you want Joe the Plumber running our cyber-security?
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It is not the lobbyists in control, it is their clients.
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That's what happens when you run the government like a business. The highest bidder wins.
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If you are a republican who cannot bring yourself to vote Trump or Clinton, consider voting libertarian or green. Well, maybe not green.
We have had terrible candidates for president before, and candidates who didn't appear too bad, but turned out to be terrible presidents. But I doubt we've ever had two major candidates whom everyone knows in advance are as bad as Trump and Clinton. I have to wonder if maybe voters should consider a general strike. How low would turn-out have to be to deny any legitimacy whatsoever to whomever "wins"? And what then?
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Perhaps the voters these candidates are chasing are the worst ever?
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Unless low voter turn-out is caused by voter suppression, terrorist acts, or the like, whoever gets the most popular votes and electoral votes will be a totally legitimate winner.
We're not talking about liking somebody, or not, on Facebook.
We're not talking about liking somebody, or not, on Facebook.
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Carla, the difference between earlier elections and 2016 is the 24-hour news cycle and social media. Abraham Lincoln would have looked terrible under such scrutiny, especially if the Koch network had devoted its massive resources to attack and destroy him.
Clinton is sane, caring, diligent and informed. Trump is none of those. I will vote happily for Clinton, a tough capable Democrat who will make an excellent President -- and I am not alone. The orange narcissist who panders to bigots should slink back home.
Clinton is sane, caring, diligent and informed. Trump is none of those. I will vote happily for Clinton, a tough capable Democrat who will make an excellent President -- and I am not alone. The orange narcissist who panders to bigots should slink back home.
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I wish you'd poll some blue state democrats. I'm a little sick of reading how they're horrified by Trump, but "can't stomach" Hillary. Yah-yah-yah, we get it. You aren't any more important than I am.
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I am interested in Republicans' ideas, but not in their simply selfish ones.
I am not interested in reading about Republicans who do not want to pay taxes or protect the environment--I just do not care about such selfish types.
I would really like to read longer statements by Republicans who are choosing to vote for HC because of their concern for the country, for their fellow human beings or for the environment. I think they exist.
I, too, am sick to death of hearing about folks who cannot stomach Hilary Clinton. Enough already--she is smart and studious and careful. Full Stop!
I am not interested in reading about Republicans who do not want to pay taxes or protect the environment--I just do not care about such selfish types.
I would really like to read longer statements by Republicans who are choosing to vote for HC because of their concern for the country, for their fellow human beings or for the environment. I think they exist.
I, too, am sick to death of hearing about folks who cannot stomach Hilary Clinton. Enough already--she is smart and studious and careful. Full Stop!
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a LOT of this is the medias fault to be honest. MOST voters dont pay close attention to the news or do independent research on issues or candidates, and the media has dont a disservice to our nation by working so hard to try and convince people that this is a normal election and there is not a substantial difference between trump and...well any candidate in the past 40 years at least. so they hear his gaffes but they dont get the real sense of how bad this really is
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Delusional! Hillary is for fracking, keystone pipeline, and takes money from the oil industry. Full Stop!
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P.S. My county (Hancock) Bernie won the primary!, so proud. I have no problem voting for Hillary now.