Thank you Diaa for undertaking this difficult task and giving us a glimpse into a ritual that has not really been available to non-believers. Your honesty and personal journey make this story intimate and powerful. It is so hard to understand how intelligent women can be made to cover themselves so that men can function (or not as it seems some of these guys can get aroused by looking at a completely covered entity and loose control). Maybe if men and women had more chance to interact and mix socially, all of these pent up feelings would level out and women would not have the responsibility to "control" male thoughts and actions by covering themselves.
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I am not Muslim but have visited many countries around the world of various faiths and can honestly say the most hospitable and generous people I have ever met are Muslims.
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Lived in Riyadh in 1986 but missed Hajj, so did out of season “Umrah” in 1992. What an experience!
Hardly a handful, but animal-like - pushing, shoving, uncivil. Lost desire for real thing, now look askance at those who brag about having done it. I say, “What is wrong with you”?
I dread every Hajj. How many will die in stampedes, fires, or other preventable mishaps?
Today's Mecca reflects House of Saud in body and soul. It garish new look exudes less spirituality than Las Vegas, with much less fun. Our illustrious Allies perplex me. Why can they not provide sane and sanitary environment for a mere 2.5 million, all the while gouging us with hefty Hajj fees over US$ 1,500 per head (more if US or EU resident). Trip can set you back over US$ 7,000-10,000 with airfare and hotels.
For so much loot the food the Saud provide is lousy, lodging sub-standard, filth everywhere, and EVERYONE, from Seattle or Sao Paulo, Karachi or Khartoum, returns home sick for 2 weeks minimum, i.e. if they ever come back alive.
Infidel do better. Hindu Kumbh Mela 40 times (100 million) descend in 18 days - no drama, no stampedes, no deaths, no killings, no sick.
Next-door Iraq 10 times, 25 million Shia are fed, housed, and served FREE for both 12-day Ashoura and 3-day Arbaeen in Karbala. Even Vatican sends an annual delegation with HUGE crosses not possible in "Christian-free" Mecca.
My 5 decades of adult life has never seen a muslim return from Hajj a better person, morally or otherwise. Never.
Hardly a handful, but animal-like - pushing, shoving, uncivil. Lost desire for real thing, now look askance at those who brag about having done it. I say, “What is wrong with you”?
I dread every Hajj. How many will die in stampedes, fires, or other preventable mishaps?
Today's Mecca reflects House of Saud in body and soul. It garish new look exudes less spirituality than Las Vegas, with much less fun. Our illustrious Allies perplex me. Why can they not provide sane and sanitary environment for a mere 2.5 million, all the while gouging us with hefty Hajj fees over US$ 1,500 per head (more if US or EU resident). Trip can set you back over US$ 7,000-10,000 with airfare and hotels.
For so much loot the food the Saud provide is lousy, lodging sub-standard, filth everywhere, and EVERYONE, from Seattle or Sao Paulo, Karachi or Khartoum, returns home sick for 2 weeks minimum, i.e. if they ever come back alive.
Infidel do better. Hindu Kumbh Mela 40 times (100 million) descend in 18 days - no drama, no stampedes, no deaths, no killings, no sick.
Next-door Iraq 10 times, 25 million Shia are fed, housed, and served FREE for both 12-day Ashoura and 3-day Arbaeen in Karbala. Even Vatican sends an annual delegation with HUGE crosses not possible in "Christian-free" Mecca.
My 5 decades of adult life has never seen a muslim return from Hajj a better person, morally or otherwise. Never.
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We were blessed to perform Hajj in Feb 2003 . The entire region was under threat of unnecessary Iraq War . News junkies had huge problems in getting updates from U. S. media on Iraq War . It is helpful to attend preparation classes for Hajj , and practice sessions for weeks of long an brisk walking . The tasks to perform religiously is very challenging , for not so young in 60 years of age . The best lessons learned : Go early as young persons in good health , with family / company , take two to three weeks off from work , remain clam , relaxed , dehydrated , focused and follow the crowd . Stay safe , and count your blessings .
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Is there really a "holiest place on earth"? I think that Diaa asks a good question here. It seems to me that the holiness of the event comes from the spiritual preparation and effort of millions of Muslims. Is this what brings an energy of holiness to the hajj? I wonder.
Mostly I'm struck by the age old reality of religion: There are practices in all religions - ones that help us realize a call to love one another - that can be undertaken with rigidity and self-serving judgement or undertaken with sincere seeking. It seems Muslims have the same range of followers/faithful: The self absorbed, judgmental types to the sincere and loving types.
Thank you for sharing your experience. This is really interesting.
Mostly I'm struck by the age old reality of religion: There are practices in all religions - ones that help us realize a call to love one another - that can be undertaken with rigidity and self-serving judgement or undertaken with sincere seeking. It seems Muslims have the same range of followers/faithful: The self absorbed, judgmental types to the sincere and loving types.
Thank you for sharing your experience. This is really interesting.
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Does it not strike you as kind of ironic that Muslim women undergoing a sacred rite of Islam have to be concerned about sexual harassment/assault from their co-religionist male colleagues? And this from a religion that so prizes sexual purity.
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Interesting that the Hajj is supposed to be an ultimate religious experience yet many of the precautions she was warned about involved sexual assaults and public urination. Kinda takes away from the whole religious pilgrimage idea don't ya think? Never saw this behavior at Lourdes.
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This contradictions depicted in this article are disturbing. VERY disturbing. Tell everyone you are sorry, then, go to be groped and pooped on and peed on and taken advantage of economically, and potentially killed by people who cannot control themselves. Don't worry, God has you covered. Who is in control here? Certainly don't seem to be humans. If this isn't a cry to dissolve modern day religion, I'm not sure what is.
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Shockers were the casual peeing in public, and sexual assaults of women during the Hajj. Are there not Saudi police around or is this permitted? Seems this pilgrim is going nowhere but firing.
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Are there any statistics on the growth or decline of followers of the Muslim religion based on modern education? What percentage of the followers have the equivalent of a University education?
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This has got to be the most ridiculous account of the Hajj i have ever heard so far, specially from somebody who is not quite a practicing muslim, somebody who hasnt made it to Hajj yet. This has to be a completely purposeful misinformation. Peeing everywhere, sexual assaults!!!! Please check your facts before writing an article in a paper like the New York Times for millions of people around the world to read and form an even stronger opinion about Islam. What u write matters, and crazy statements of a few people who may also be as crazy as their statements doesnt stand as facts. This is so ridiculous.
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It is the largest gathering of humans on the planet. A logistical nightmare when people from almost every country, with different cultures, languages, and norms, including many who have never set foot outside their country, come together in a hot tight place.
Not for the faint of heart. But once you start, spirit takes over. You become one with with millions around you. Peace settles in and if you are focused you find what you came for.
Everyone who has been there has at least one horror story; lost luggage, dirty bathrooms, missing guide, stolen shoes, and yes even groping. But I never met anyone who would not go back again. I guess spirit trumps bodily discomfort.
Not for the faint of heart. But once you start, spirit takes over. You become one with with millions around you. Peace settles in and if you are focused you find what you came for.
Everyone who has been there has at least one horror story; lost luggage, dirty bathrooms, missing guide, stolen shoes, and yes even groping. But I never met anyone who would not go back again. I guess spirit trumps bodily discomfort.
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Is this part of a series? The article comes to such an abrupt and odd end. I've read a lot of descriptions of the Hajj but for some reason this one really conjured up a strong image of the crowds and being trapped in one. That would be a serious problem for me if I ever became a Muslim. The thought of such a mass of people sounds terrifying! Is there an off-season where one can do the full Hajj but with fewer teeming multitudes?
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It sounds as if Islam/Saudi Arabia needs to adjust for the ever increasing numbers able to travel to the Hajj in the modern world. Such crowds are, as has been shown, dangerous. The time should be longer and/or several pilgrimage times established in a year.
I get the place the Hajj has for Muslims. I arrived in Damascus airport in 1998 (with a group of seminary students) to find the place overflowing with celebratory crowds awaiting a plane bringing friends and relatives back from the Hajj. The energy, excitement, and festive atmosphere were amazing to experience. Still, the pilgrimage experience itself seems far from safe. It is certainly not even palatable to me. I find the description of people peeing on my feet, crushing crowds, diarrhea, heat, etc., about as far from spiritual as one could get. Something really needs to change.
I get the place the Hajj has for Muslims. I arrived in Damascus airport in 1998 (with a group of seminary students) to find the place overflowing with celebratory crowds awaiting a plane bringing friends and relatives back from the Hajj. The energy, excitement, and festive atmosphere were amazing to experience. Still, the pilgrimage experience itself seems far from safe. It is certainly not even palatable to me. I find the description of people peeing on my feet, crushing crowds, diarrhea, heat, etc., about as far from spiritual as one could get. Something really needs to change.
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Well, this will be an interesting read and reminds me to be grateful my parents raised me within no organized religion. This is supposed to be a religious place yet people push and shove each other, pee all over the place, and sexually assault women who bend over to tie their shoe laces? Now, I've been to churches, synagogues, and temples and have not been submitted to those types of behaviors. It's amazing how religion can be used to justify everything.
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I am surprised and saddened to hear that sexual assault is a serious risk during the Hajj. I never feared sexual assault (harassment in outside streets absolutely, although it was infrequent and less threatening than what I have grown accustomed to in the US) when I visited the Vatican and the great cathedrals of Spain alone two years ago. I hope the Saudi authorities crack down, it is awful women must go through that during one of the most important spiritual experiences of their lives.
I hope you have a wonderful pilgrimage! I am not religious and have not been since my childhood, but still found my trip filled a gap I had long ignored. I hope also that you and other women continue to be frank and open about the issues women face on the Hajj, because only with sunlight will things change. Thank you.
I hope you have a wonderful pilgrimage! I am not religious and have not been since my childhood, but still found my trip filled a gap I had long ignored. I hope also that you and other women continue to be frank and open about the issues women face on the Hajj, because only with sunlight will things change. Thank you.
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The processing capability of Mecca tops out at about 3 million a year, and that is not without fatalities. Over 100 years that's 300 million people, out of 1.5 billion Moslems. So the chances of becoming a Hajji are reasonable, if you're a betting man, but the odds are against. Over a 70 year life span "only" 210 million people will cycle through, so your chance of making it at all is 14%, and less if you exclude early childhood and extreme old age. It also raises an equity issue if people make the trip more than once.
If we look at the pilgrimage as a sheer numbers and space problem, with attendant difficulties like providing food, water, and bathroom facilities, you would do what Disneyland does, which is build more facilities. Limited to one site, you might be able to increase the throughput by streamlining the rituals. But it is clear that the maximum capacity of the "physical plant," so to speak, has been reached.
If we look at the pilgrimage as a sheer numbers and space problem, with attendant difficulties like providing food, water, and bathroom facilities, you would do what Disneyland does, which is build more facilities. Limited to one site, you might be able to increase the throughput by streamlining the rituals. But it is clear that the maximum capacity of the "physical plant," so to speak, has been reached.
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It was all good until the last sentence (in the video): "I really struggle with the idea that some places are holier than others." This -completely- defeats the purpose of the pilgrimage itself for this individual, and sadly it underscores her gross lack of knowledge of the Islamic faith itself. The reporter is right there, in the heart of the greatest spiritual place, where prophet Abraham built the first place of monotheistic worship, where the last prophet, Muhammad, was born, and yet, she completely misses out on the meaning of surrending to the absolute love from God in this very spot on earth where believers are asked to travel. If she does not have that light inside, well she'd better off at home indeed.
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I completely welcome her honesty, to herself and to her readers.
She very likely DOES understand the importance of this place and the reason for it. However she has doubts about the reality of the beliefs that bestow that importance.
The "light inside" you refer to is the kind of blind faith that is the sign of a mind too weak or afraid to face the uncertainties and unknowns of human existence.
She very likely DOES understand the importance of this place and the reason for it. However she has doubts about the reality of the beliefs that bestow that importance.
The "light inside" you refer to is the kind of blind faith that is the sign of a mind too weak or afraid to face the uncertainties and unknowns of human existence.
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That's a bit harsh.
People's views are shaped at different stages of their spiritual journey. Some may feel a difference the moment they embark on Hajj, many others feel it at end of their pilgrimage. I've known several people who didn't feel much in Makkah - partly because of the tough environment and heightened expectations - but underwent a transformation within the peace and serenity of Medina. Still many come and go feeling the same, but only reflect upon their experience years later. A lot of it has to do with who a person accompanies - generally the more focused the group on pilgrimage itself, the more lasting the effects.
As for this reporter, I can understand why she feels they way she describes. Journalists, by virtue of their profession, are skeptics and critical. Having been raised a muslim exposed to liberal secular values, it can become difficult to reconcile the conflicting sets of values.
People's views are shaped at different stages of their spiritual journey. Some may feel a difference the moment they embark on Hajj, many others feel it at end of their pilgrimage. I've known several people who didn't feel much in Makkah - partly because of the tough environment and heightened expectations - but underwent a transformation within the peace and serenity of Medina. Still many come and go feeling the same, but only reflect upon their experience years later. A lot of it has to do with who a person accompanies - generally the more focused the group on pilgrimage itself, the more lasting the effects.
As for this reporter, I can understand why she feels they way she describes. Journalists, by virtue of their profession, are skeptics and critical. Having been raised a muslim exposed to liberal secular values, it can become difficult to reconcile the conflicting sets of values.
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It's interesting to read people say that they are happy to finally read about what Islam is really about, not the so-called perverted version of extremists and their blood-soaked antics.
But what is the "true nature" of Islam--or any religion? There are as many versions of any religion as there are believers. And peaceful or violent, who is to say what is the truth?
In my view believing--any belief, and this nation's idolatry of religion's without taxation--involves adhering to no code, ethic, or understanding but your own.
As an American I believe in a god, in what Donald Trump says, that vaccines cause autism, that Obama is a Muslim, that human-induced climate change is a hoax.
Some may fail to see the connection between religion and these views, but in a nation that is saturated with "belief," it's difficult not to see it.
But what is the "true nature" of Islam--or any religion? There are as many versions of any religion as there are believers. And peaceful or violent, who is to say what is the truth?
In my view believing--any belief, and this nation's idolatry of religion's without taxation--involves adhering to no code, ethic, or understanding but your own.
As an American I believe in a god, in what Donald Trump says, that vaccines cause autism, that Obama is a Muslim, that human-induced climate change is a hoax.
Some may fail to see the connection between religion and these views, but in a nation that is saturated with "belief," it's difficult not to see it.
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And don't forget to make sure the life insurance policy is paid up - seems to be part of the tradition that there is a stampede of various dimensions that results in the death of hundreds each time. What a way to honor your lord.
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Point of information, no judgment intended: non-believers are not allowed in Mormon temples. As it says on the L.D.S. (Mormon) website, "...only baptized members who are qualified and prepared are allowed to enter a temple after it is dedicated."
Basically, I look at organized religions as I do any civil organization: they have a total right to make whatever rules they would like for members, as long as membership is not coerced and no laws are broken. I do recognize that what constitutes coercion is a complex subject, not one that can be prescribed in clear, definitive terms across cultures. However, that is not a plea for moral relativism but for some perspective.
Basically, I look at organized religions as I do any civil organization: they have a total right to make whatever rules they would like for members, as long as membership is not coerced and no laws are broken. I do recognize that what constitutes coercion is a complex subject, not one that can be prescribed in clear, definitive terms across cultures. However, that is not a plea for moral relativism but for some perspective.
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Some really nice comments here. I just wanted to share my experience and point out a few things.
I performed my hajj a couple of years ago, and while I was in Mecca I didn't see anyone peeing openly as you have made it sound in your article. "Wear socks to avoid stepping in pee", this is the most ridiculous thing I have heard about the hajj. Now its possible there may be a few bad apples peeing secretly in the alleys but that happens everywhere including here in NYC. Also, in closing how casually you mentioned about sexual assault as if this is rampant during hajj. Again sister when I was there (with my teenage sister and mon) I didn't witness or hear about any sexual harassment. Did you decide to include these things just to make your article juicy and people could talk about it?
When I first saw the Kabba I was in tears, the feeling was so overwhelming I just felt lucky to be at such a holy place. In Islam cleanliness is considered to be half of your faith. Out of respect to that place I don't think a decent person would even think of relieving himself in a public place or committing acts (like sexual assault) which are considered to be major sins in Islam.
I performed my hajj a couple of years ago, and while I was in Mecca I didn't see anyone peeing openly as you have made it sound in your article. "Wear socks to avoid stepping in pee", this is the most ridiculous thing I have heard about the hajj. Now its possible there may be a few bad apples peeing secretly in the alleys but that happens everywhere including here in NYC. Also, in closing how casually you mentioned about sexual assault as if this is rampant during hajj. Again sister when I was there (with my teenage sister and mon) I didn't witness or hear about any sexual harassment. Did you decide to include these things just to make your article juicy and people could talk about it?
When I first saw the Kabba I was in tears, the feeling was so overwhelming I just felt lucky to be at such a holy place. In Islam cleanliness is considered to be half of your faith. Out of respect to that place I don't think a decent person would even think of relieving himself in a public place or committing acts (like sexual assault) which are considered to be major sins in Islam.
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That was not my experience in the Middle East. I saw some of the filthiest bathrooms in my life.
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Searching one's soul and preparing spiritually to take part in a major religious ritual? Yes - as a Catholic, that's something I'm very familiar with.
Making practical preparations for a long and rigorous journey? Of course - that's common sense.
Asking for advice and insights from people close to you who've undertaken this journey? Check.
But having to prepare to protect yourself from the likelihood of sexual harassment - and even sexual assault! - by fellow members of your faith - during a religious pilgrimage that is one of the holiest rituals of your faith?
No - this is where your faith shows itself to be very different from mine, from other branches of Christianity, and from Judaism or Mormonism or Buddhism.
I know the author sought to share understanding of her faith and its rituals. Unfortunately, what is exposed is yet another aspect of her faith that is very disturbing - especially its treatment of women, even in the midst of one of its holiest religious activities. Even more disturbing is that she does not seem at all shocked or upset by this.
Still, I commend her courage and commitment to her faith. And I wish her a successful and safe hajj.
Making practical preparations for a long and rigorous journey? Of course - that's common sense.
Asking for advice and insights from people close to you who've undertaken this journey? Check.
But having to prepare to protect yourself from the likelihood of sexual harassment - and even sexual assault! - by fellow members of your faith - during a religious pilgrimage that is one of the holiest rituals of your faith?
No - this is where your faith shows itself to be very different from mine, from other branches of Christianity, and from Judaism or Mormonism or Buddhism.
I know the author sought to share understanding of her faith and its rituals. Unfortunately, what is exposed is yet another aspect of her faith that is very disturbing - especially its treatment of women, even in the midst of one of its holiest religious activities. Even more disturbing is that she does not seem at all shocked or upset by this.
Still, I commend her courage and commitment to her faith. And I wish her a successful and safe hajj.
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Finally a breath of fresh air with real reporting from the ground, almost unprecedented for a major Western media outlet. I consider this vital especially in light of negative attention Hajj invites in the event of a disaster like last year's. Not that any mismanagement is excusable, but having a comprehensive account of Hajj from a pilgrim's perspective can add important context to the narrative of Hajj.
I suspect it won't be easy to report after the sleepless night of Muzdalifa following a hectic day in Arafat. Hopefully the reporter gains from her journey, including her spiritual journey, which requires seeing beyond the 'silliness' of the rituals and deeper into the meaning behind them as well as introspection into one's own conduct in life and the purpose of our existence.
I also hope a fair and balanced account continues, as there will definitely be some high points and plenty of low points, but I have to take issue with her quote
"the men that are sexually assaulting people in front of you.."
I was like, did I just read that? What's the evidence such practices happen? Not to imply it never happens (in a congregation of 2+ million, anything is possible). But to put it casually as a factual info without any evidence and making it sound like it's common place is quite irresponsible. Any form of sex including pre-sex during Hajj invalidates pilgrimage, so I have no idea how her sister came to that conclusion - just plain hyperbole.
I suspect it won't be easy to report after the sleepless night of Muzdalifa following a hectic day in Arafat. Hopefully the reporter gains from her journey, including her spiritual journey, which requires seeing beyond the 'silliness' of the rituals and deeper into the meaning behind them as well as introspection into one's own conduct in life and the purpose of our existence.
I also hope a fair and balanced account continues, as there will definitely be some high points and plenty of low points, but I have to take issue with her quote
"the men that are sexually assaulting people in front of you.."
I was like, did I just read that? What's the evidence such practices happen? Not to imply it never happens (in a congregation of 2+ million, anything is possible). But to put it casually as a factual info without any evidence and making it sound like it's common place is quite irresponsible. Any form of sex including pre-sex during Hajj invalidates pilgrimage, so I have no idea how her sister came to that conclusion - just plain hyperbole.
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Don't forget to make sure to make your life insurance premium payments before you leave. Seems to be a stampede that kills hundreds unfortunately each year. I guess the organizers and participants feel those deaths are worth the price of being able to have the Hajj.
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I also enjoyed the article, although like other readers I was surprised at some non-religious aspects of the pilgrimage as it is today. The reader called Luna declares her pleasant surprise at seeing NYT doing reports on Islam, which she says is something new for the paper, since it changed in some way several years ago. As a long time reader - and often subscriber, when I can afford it - of the International New York Times I would appreciate hearing in just what ways the paper is different now from a few years back. Since I live in Spain I am not that well informed about what goes on in New York!
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And now we have a Muslim woman journalist accompanied by a Jewish woman photographer (yes?) are sending us notes from the holiest of the most misunderstood, feared and vilified of religions. (What an inspired choice for the assignment!)
It is no longer mostly white men writing about a world they are only barely understanding, with unexamined and innate biases you don't even know where to begin to question but a truly global reporting incorporating the voices of the very people and places that are being examined. This was exactly what I had argued for in a long ago panel on ethnocentrisism in the media...nearly 20 years ago...so I am really truly glad to be able to see this happen.
Thank you NYT I am so happy to love you again :) and thank you Lawrence for asking me this question. Hopefully I have somewhat answered your question.
It is no longer mostly white men writing about a world they are only barely understanding, with unexamined and innate biases you don't even know where to begin to question but a truly global reporting incorporating the voices of the very people and places that are being examined. This was exactly what I had argued for in a long ago panel on ethnocentrisism in the media...nearly 20 years ago...so I am really truly glad to be able to see this happen.
Thank you NYT I am so happy to love you again :) and thank you Lawrence for asking me this question. Hopefully I have somewhat answered your question.
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Considering the extent to which Islamophobia has spread over the past couple of years, it is vital for people like Diaa Hadid to write about the nature of Islam and what this religion truly stands for. Through such an article, those that are unfamiliar with Muslim traditions are able to take a closer look at the preparations, the rituals and the ideas behind the Hajj.
Nowadays, there are many misconceptions about Islam. It carries a reputation closely associated with terrorism and violence, mostly, because of the Islamic State but partially because of the media coverage around the world. Despite that, the majority of people, myself included, often forget that this religion is built on a foundation of love and forgiveness. This article reminded me of that. People may have different views regarding such rituals and traditions; however, it shouldn’t hinder them from keeping an open mind. Essentially, this article allows us readers to catch a glimpse of something that may be different to our culture and dig deeper into it.
One thing I wasn’t aware of was that non-Muslims aren’t allowed into Mecca. Raised in Egypt as a Christian, I was always allowed to visit mosques around the city, and no one ever said anything to me. Consequently, I had always imagined it was permitted for anyone to visit Mecca. Then again, I wonder whether the fact that they don’t allow non-Muslims in and this isolation could be a reason behind why many people are not familiar with the religion.
Nowadays, there are many misconceptions about Islam. It carries a reputation closely associated with terrorism and violence, mostly, because of the Islamic State but partially because of the media coverage around the world. Despite that, the majority of people, myself included, often forget that this religion is built on a foundation of love and forgiveness. This article reminded me of that. People may have different views regarding such rituals and traditions; however, it shouldn’t hinder them from keeping an open mind. Essentially, this article allows us readers to catch a glimpse of something that may be different to our culture and dig deeper into it.
One thing I wasn’t aware of was that non-Muslims aren’t allowed into Mecca. Raised in Egypt as a Christian, I was always allowed to visit mosques around the city, and no one ever said anything to me. Consequently, I had always imagined it was permitted for anyone to visit Mecca. Then again, I wonder whether the fact that they don’t allow non-Muslims in and this isolation could be a reason behind why many people are not familiar with the religion.
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Yes non-muslims are prohibited from entering the territories of muslim holy cities. This has been especially so since the time of Caliph Umar who expelled all jews from the immediate vicinity for fear of discord and conspiracies.
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I enjoy the coverage of the hajj & learning more about it.
But does the author feel she cannot criticize Saudi Arabia? Or is she even accepting of its vicious misogyny & criminal mismanagement? Several quotes jumped out at me:
1. “The spiritual feeling overtakes” these earthly issues, “the people that rip you off, the men that are sexually assaulting people in front of you..It takes over all of that. It’s beautiful and unforgettable.”
This is appalling It's hard to believe the author accepts this prospect with equanimity. "I might be raped or my neighbor might be raped, assaulted or robbed, but that's part of hajj," is hardly acceptable.
Where are the calls for Saudi Arabia to protect its visitors & for people to behave, well, religiously? Or is it religious to assault women?
2. “I cannot begin to describe the crowds,” --Given the recent crush that resulted in 1000s of deaths, & the appalling mismanagement by Saudi Arabia,this is both joyous--& very scary.
3. "Hijab is of course required..people get really angry at women who look immodest."
But not men who rape them. And it will be boiling hot there-men may wear no shirts, but women must be in hijab.
Where is the criticism of criminal mismanagement by the Saudis? Why does the author accept it as part of the package? Why don't Muslims join together to pressure the Saudia to change? Or do most agree with them?
I would like to learn more about that.
But does the author feel she cannot criticize Saudi Arabia? Or is she even accepting of its vicious misogyny & criminal mismanagement? Several quotes jumped out at me:
1. “The spiritual feeling overtakes” these earthly issues, “the people that rip you off, the men that are sexually assaulting people in front of you..It takes over all of that. It’s beautiful and unforgettable.”
This is appalling It's hard to believe the author accepts this prospect with equanimity. "I might be raped or my neighbor might be raped, assaulted or robbed, but that's part of hajj," is hardly acceptable.
Where are the calls for Saudi Arabia to protect its visitors & for people to behave, well, religiously? Or is it religious to assault women?
2. “I cannot begin to describe the crowds,” --Given the recent crush that resulted in 1000s of deaths, & the appalling mismanagement by Saudi Arabia,this is both joyous--& very scary.
3. "Hijab is of course required..people get really angry at women who look immodest."
But not men who rape them. And it will be boiling hot there-men may wear no shirts, but women must be in hijab.
Where is the criticism of criminal mismanagement by the Saudis? Why does the author accept it as part of the package? Why don't Muslims join together to pressure the Saudia to change? Or do most agree with them?
I would like to learn more about that.
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The allegations of rape and fear of being assaulted is imaginary. Accidents like stampedes tend to happen where people congregate in huge numbers. Doubtless better supervision by the authorities can prevent deaths and injuries from occurring but common sense dictates that the entire operation not be judged by isolated incidents. The entire past record of year by year management by the authorities must be considered before forming a judgement. The hijab has not been mandated by the authorities but rather by Islam itself.
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Azher Bilal - "The allegations of rape and fear of being assaulted is imaginary."
Those accounts are from the author's "mum" who according to the article "has undertaken the pilgrimage several times," was she lying?
Those accounts are from the author's "mum" who according to the article "has undertaken the pilgrimage several times," was she lying?
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"The allegations of rape and fear of being assaulted is imaginary. "
Please provide proof that the direct, personal evidence of the writer's sister is false. You brush it off much too easily. Does it make you uncomfortable?
9/24/2015 stampede, 2,236 deaths
1/12/2006 stampede, 346 deaths
2/1/2004 stampede, 251 deaths
2/11/2003 stampede, 14 deaths
3/5/2001 stampede, 51 deaths
4/9/1998 stampede, 118 deaths
5/23/1994 stampede, 270 deaths
Is that enough?
4/15/1997 tent fire killed 343
1/5/2006 hotel collapse killed 76 pilgrims who were staying there
In addition, due to the physical stresses associated with the crowds and lack of appropriate services for them, weak and infirm people, such as the elderly, die every year.
Of course, with any huge gathering like that, there will be a natural number of deaths, a simple matter of statistics. By my rough calculations, over the course of 1 weak, out of a random group of 3 million people 805 will die. On the other hand, most of those 805 will already be very old, and most likely not embarking on a pilgrimage. So the natural number of pilgrim deaths during Hajj must be much lower.
Please provide proof that the direct, personal evidence of the writer's sister is false. You brush it off much too easily. Does it make you uncomfortable?
9/24/2015 stampede, 2,236 deaths
1/12/2006 stampede, 346 deaths
2/1/2004 stampede, 251 deaths
2/11/2003 stampede, 14 deaths
3/5/2001 stampede, 51 deaths
4/9/1998 stampede, 118 deaths
5/23/1994 stampede, 270 deaths
Is that enough?
4/15/1997 tent fire killed 343
1/5/2006 hotel collapse killed 76 pilgrims who were staying there
In addition, due to the physical stresses associated with the crowds and lack of appropriate services for them, weak and infirm people, such as the elderly, die every year.
Of course, with any huge gathering like that, there will be a natural number of deaths, a simple matter of statistics. By my rough calculations, over the course of 1 weak, out of a random group of 3 million people 805 will die. On the other hand, most of those 805 will already be very old, and most likely not embarking on a pilgrimage. So the natural number of pilgrim deaths during Hajj must be much lower.
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Considering the extent to which Islamophobia has spread over the past couple of years, it is vital for people like Diaa Hadid and others to write about the nature of Islam and what this religion truly stands for. Through such an article, those that are unfamiliar with Muslim traditions are able to take a closer look at the preparations, the rituals and the ideas behind the Hajj.
Nowadays, there are many misconceptions about Islam. It carries a reputation closely associated with terrorism and violence, mostly, because of the Islamic State but partially as a result of the media coverage around the world. Despite that, the majority of people, myself included, often forget that this religion is built on a foundation of love and forgiveness. This article reminded me of that. People may have different views regarding such rituals and traditions; however, it shouldn’t hinder them from keeping an open mind. Essentially, this article sheds light on these principles, allowing us readers to catch a glimpse of something that may be different to our culture or upbringing and dig deeper into it.
Nowadays, there are many misconceptions about Islam. It carries a reputation closely associated with terrorism and violence, mostly, because of the Islamic State but partially as a result of the media coverage around the world. Despite that, the majority of people, myself included, often forget that this religion is built on a foundation of love and forgiveness. This article reminded me of that. People may have different views regarding such rituals and traditions; however, it shouldn’t hinder them from keeping an open mind. Essentially, this article sheds light on these principles, allowing us readers to catch a glimpse of something that may be different to our culture or upbringing and dig deeper into it.
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This is a fascinating personal window into an experience those of us who are not Muslim will never experience. Thank you for sharing your personal account; I look forward to future installments.
The only discordant note I found, one that is rather disturbing, is the reference to women on the hajj needing to be on guard against the threat of sexual assault. It is inconceivable to me that some participants would even think of doing this while performing one of the holiest ceremonies or obligations in their religion. This may not be a perfect analogy, but to me as a Catholic, it would be the equivalent of sexual assault against pilgrims gathered in St. Peter's Square for the Pope's Sunday address to the faithful.
The only discordant note I found, one that is rather disturbing, is the reference to women on the hajj needing to be on guard against the threat of sexual assault. It is inconceivable to me that some participants would even think of doing this while performing one of the holiest ceremonies or obligations in their religion. This may not be a perfect analogy, but to me as a Catholic, it would be the equivalent of sexual assault against pilgrims gathered in St. Peter's Square for the Pope's Sunday address to the faithful.
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Why not? For centuries, religion has been used as justification for theft, war, murder, etc. much less sexual assault.
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Simple solution: on-site death penalty for sexual assault. That's death penalty for the man doing the assaulting, not the woman for bringing "dishonor" to her family.
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Have a blessed and safe hajj. Thank you so much for taking us along with you.
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Diaa: deeply admire that you are telling us the story of your journey to the Hajj. We need someone to do this for the massive Hindu pilgrimages, too.
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This is fascinating. Thank you so much for all your insights!
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Not being a Muslim, entry into Mecca was not allowed even though my best Jeddah friends told the local officials that I was not a bad guy. Would have been fascinating. Three days later on a plane back to Riyadh I found myself sitting right next to a Mecca visitor who offered me some fruits after sunset. "From Mecca, Ramadan" he said. So somehow I felt I did visit that very special place.
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I find all these rituals sort of overwhelming and, I hate to say it, silly. But then I think that about the rituals of all religions. God is in your heart and soul and how you treat others, not in these displays of holiness.
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Edmund,
I agree with you 1,000%. Who and what you believe in and what you pray for is private. Being a part of mass group doesn't make an individual any holier.
I agree with you 1,000%. Who and what you believe in and what you pray for is private. Being a part of mass group doesn't make an individual any holier.
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I'm not religious in the slightest. But ritual can be very meaningful, and keep one connected to their culture, to their ancestors. As the author indicates, she is not particularly observant, but continues to practice some of the traditions she was raised with. This is similar to many in American culture. Catholics who only go to mass on Christmas and Easter, Jews who light Sabbath candles but don't keep kosher, even just regular Americans who grew up watching college football doing so every Saturday, as they will say, "religiously." Communal events make us human, whether connected to your faith, your nationality (4th of July fireworks) or your favorite sports team.
For Ms. Hadid, this doesn't appear to be a trek to "prove" her holiness, but rather a personal undertaking where she happens to be joined by millions of others.
For Ms. Hadid, this doesn't appear to be a trek to "prove" her holiness, but rather a personal undertaking where she happens to be joined by millions of others.
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Safe journey. I had always wanted to visit Mecca and Medina, but Jeddah is as close as I could get. Hope the crowds are calm and relaxed.
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The most holy place in the world lies within one's own soul that is pure of heart, while tolerant and accepting of all other different ideas, people and religions.
No need for sturdy shoes or otherwise.
No need for sturdy shoes or otherwise.
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I beg to disagree.
As a non-believer who adores, but does not worship nature, the most spiritual places on earth are far from the madding crowd in some isolated corner of nature, sometimes with another person, sometimes alone.
So sturdy shoes ARE needed.
As a non-believer who adores, but does not worship nature, the most spiritual places on earth are far from the madding crowd in some isolated corner of nature, sometimes with another person, sometimes alone.
So sturdy shoes ARE needed.
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I wonder whether the author contemplates the reactions readers may have to the reasons for the precautions she describes relating to garb and footwear. I was taken aback.
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This is quite astounding! Thank you NY Times...the new Times of the past couple of years continues to surprise me. After the many disappointments of the previous era...
And now this: I don't think there is a better way to dismantle ignorance about an 'other' than show their humanity in particularity...in all its fallibility and profundity.
I think this feature will be regarded as revolutionary...if not now, then in time.
Best of luck Diia. As a woman of innate spirituality and absolute secularity (yes, when infact one can not exist without the other) I salute you, your innate sensibility.
Forget about the machination of manmade culture in spirituality...no, don't ignore it, but be aware of it, while not focussed upon it...you know what and where your focus ought to be.
I will avidly await to hear and walk along with you. Salaam aleikum!
And now this: I don't think there is a better way to dismantle ignorance about an 'other' than show their humanity in particularity...in all its fallibility and profundity.
I think this feature will be regarded as revolutionary...if not now, then in time.
Best of luck Diia. As a woman of innate spirituality and absolute secularity (yes, when infact one can not exist without the other) I salute you, your innate sensibility.
Forget about the machination of manmade culture in spirituality...no, don't ignore it, but be aware of it, while not focussed upon it...you know what and where your focus ought to be.
I will avidly await to hear and walk along with you. Salaam aleikum!
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Luna, could you tell me in what ways the New York Times has changed over the past few years, as you say? I am a long-time reader and subscriber but was unaware of any major overhaul going on!
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Luna: What a wonderful sentiments you expressed in your post. You brought tears in my eyes. Fresh from the Jumma (Friday)prayer, and back in my office, I thoroughly enjoyed this article. Yes, indeed, NY Times has changed a lot. "all the news that is fit to print", never disappointed me in the past too. In the early 80's, I used to sell this newspapers as a vendor in a small shop in New York. Now, I read in a large screen inside my law office. Not a single day has perhaps missed since 1980, when I had not read NY Times. My kids had gone and visited Bait-ul-Muqaddas (Dome of Rock) and they pushing me to go to Hajj. All praise to Allah, soon.
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Glad to see the New York Times publishing articles about Islam. The more we understand their culture, the better we can understand their opposition to ours. I had no idea the pilgrimage is made by those that do not exactly adhere to Islam’s other prescriptions. Interesting.
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The world is full of diversity! No muslim is similar in deeds to another muslim any more so than a guy from brooklyn to a guy from queens.
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I wish you the best on your pilgrimage! I was taken by the comments made by your siblings which mention the likelihood of seeing (or experiencing) sexual harassment (or, worse, sexual assault) during the hajj. I would be interested to hear about how those making the hajj generally react to these situations when they see them arising (is the tendency of the pilgrims to intervene to stop the harassment or ignore it and focus on one's own journey)?
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i was taken by those comments too. And take it from someone who has done a dozen hajj that these are just figments of imagination. More probably her siblings wanted to mess around with her a little before she finally undertook such a huge venture.
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I find the list of things to be afraid of rather daunting. I'm a fallen-away Christian and if I went to a Revival in, say, Appalachia, I might expect the same list of warning. Well, some not. I wouldn't expect to be attacked or peed on by men. But the frantic search for a bathroom? Check. Expensive food? Check. Being harassed because my clothes are not modest? Check. Or maybe not. I'm in my 70s - very few people care what I wear nowadays. When my daughter went off to college, I gave her almost the identical advice: don't drink much at parties and wear your glasses, not your contacts; wear modest clothes and don't go out at night by yourself; don't accept rides from people you don't know; remember your birth-control pills; buy some healthy snack food for the dorm; wear sensible shoes; don't carry your camera in crowds; take along good over-the-counter meds. As to what I'd like to know from this writer? First of all - was all this good advice?
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It does not sound as very religious journey at all. I wish you luck and as a not Muslim person, I'm curious how everything goes.
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On the contrary it's got everything to do with religion. Absolutely no other reason for impoverished people of third world countries to spend their entire life savings on a journey which will not only drain them physically but also not give them any tangible returns. Got to do with that blind belief that the intangible gains are worth far more and the love they harbor for those places in whose direction they turn towards five times daily.
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Diaa,
I have read somewhere that idols of preceding times are buried under the Kaaba. Could you inform us on this aspect?
Thank you.
I have read somewhere that idols of preceding times are buried under the Kaaba. Could you inform us on this aspect?
Thank you.
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I also believe that Abraham prepared to sacrifice Isaac on the Kaaba stone. Is this correct (my understanding of the story)?
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Certainly not under the Kaaba Stone. Historically Abraham never ventured to the Arabian Penninsula.
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Historically, how do YOU know?
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I would like to know if there any efforts underway to allow non-Muslims to visit Mecca. The barring of non-Muslims from Mecca and most mosques (some of which allow for visitors but usually with tight restrictions) send a message that non-Muslims are not pure or good enough to mingle with Muslims, at least in the holy places. In this time of conflict, where Europe and the rest of the West are constantly being pushed to be more accepting of Muslims, I think it would be helpful to see some reciprocity.
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Given the already massive crowds I think one can understand the limitations on non Muslims in Mecca but as for other Mosques. I visited the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem many years ago and had no problem with the Muslim guardians provided I wore modest clothing and took my shoes off. I imagine you can't go now due to Israeli security restrictions but I also visited historic Mosques in Egypt with no issues. I think you will find if you want to visit a Mosque you would be welcome.
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Actually it doesn't, Ann, but I think I understand your point.
Unlike Judaism, one can easily become a Christian or a Muslim by making a profession of faith. And most Christians and Jews, even ones who claim to be religious, are really not very religious at all most of the time. As Western cultures have evolved we have slowly and painfully embraced a certain level of tolerance, even though we have our radical extremists who continue to preach hatred and intolerance in the name of God.
But unlike European Catholicism, Muslim places of worship are not open to the non-believer at all (and non-Catholics are not allowed to take communion in a Catholic Church), nor have Muslims in most Muslim-majority countries abandoned their core beliefs to conform to Capitalist expectations (a core source of conflict between Islam and the West). In fact, Islam is much more rigid than are either Judaism or Christianity in how it adapts or not to a changing world.
However, if you travel to certain Muslim countries (e.g., Morocco), one can look into a mosque from the outside as one walks through the market quarter. And if you want to see what a really beautiful mosque looks like, visit the ex-mosque at Córdoba in Spain. It is splendid.
And I would recommend that you read novels and short stories by writers such as Ghaddan Samman and Hanan al-Shaikh to learn more about Islamic cultures. These writers live between two or more countries and are excellent writers of fiction.
Unlike Judaism, one can easily become a Christian or a Muslim by making a profession of faith. And most Christians and Jews, even ones who claim to be religious, are really not very religious at all most of the time. As Western cultures have evolved we have slowly and painfully embraced a certain level of tolerance, even though we have our radical extremists who continue to preach hatred and intolerance in the name of God.
But unlike European Catholicism, Muslim places of worship are not open to the non-believer at all (and non-Catholics are not allowed to take communion in a Catholic Church), nor have Muslims in most Muslim-majority countries abandoned their core beliefs to conform to Capitalist expectations (a core source of conflict between Islam and the West). In fact, Islam is much more rigid than are either Judaism or Christianity in how it adapts or not to a changing world.
However, if you travel to certain Muslim countries (e.g., Morocco), one can look into a mosque from the outside as one walks through the market quarter. And if you want to see what a really beautiful mosque looks like, visit the ex-mosque at Córdoba in Spain. It is splendid.
And I would recommend that you read novels and short stories by writers such as Ghaddan Samman and Hanan al-Shaikh to learn more about Islamic cultures. These writers live between two or more countries and are excellent writers of fiction.
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I pray a very conservative mosque in the US, and non-Muslims are more than welcome... I am not sure what kind of interactions you had, but that notion is not correct. ... the Haram (Makah) is different... please visit any mosque... I am sure there are plenty of ignorant people, but ideally you should be welcomed....
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